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Casey Affleck

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard

2:00:13 hr | 1 year ago

Casey Affleck

"Welcome to armchair expert. I am famed golfer tichy rodriguez. I am joined by bingo stretchy lingo. How are ya it's a real person bingos dressy. No i made that one up on the floor. Chichi rodriguez is that would be a good test like which one of these is fake in fact. You probably guessed rodriguez who is i- bingo. I already forgot bingo something bango bingo bango bongo yeah. I'm joined by bingo bango bongo. We have an incredible actor on the program today academy award winner academy award winning actor. He's also director. He's also one degree of separation away from monica's who love you might have already guessed it unless you think matt. Damon has a brother as well. That's refunding academy award but no one fact. It's casey affleck you know him for manchester by the sea goodwill hunting gone baby gone the assassination of jesse james by the coward robert ford lord. He is just a powerhouse of an actor. He has a new movie called light of my life out august ninth. I hope everyone will check that. <unk> out. Casey was wonderful. Yes you look crashy. Crush crush yeah good. I like when you get a little crush anyways for the rest of you. Please enjoy casey affleck. We are supported by twenty three and me the d._n._a. Testing can tell a- about where your ancestors are from but did you know it could also give you a lotta genetic information about your health and traits. Let me break it down. There is a whole whole world of jeans just waiting to meet you. In one hundred twenty five plus personalized genetic reports on your health traits in more the right personal health plan starts with the right data listeners all kinds of things they can pick up type two diabetes okay now. They would probably say diabetes when i'm going to say diabetes. One in three adults in the united states aids has prediabetes but ninety percent of those don't know they have it <hes>. They're out of the luther out of the loop type. 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Do you like howard yeah yeah i do and what an interviewer have you done this show no. Would you definitely as of late to the party podcast. This is the first that i've done. I hate my the voice. I have a weird voice. People said i've got a voice for film and a face for radio. Ah for anyway i would be able to do it. He's a great interviewer and eah. I did it and the night before i went to do it. Which you already got a wake up at whatever five or six in the morning and i was on time and then i just started. I was neurotic preparing for every question. That might be scary for me. I wanted to have a good twist to kinda. Dodge it because i had done with you. You've already met this whole thing but i got there and <hes> he did bring up like some mm famous girls i had dated mind who's wrong about almost all of them but i just went into my addiction stories and that was tasty enough meat for him so the whole night being up all night planning running didn't come to pass which is most the arguments. I have in my head in planning a fight. That's imminent. They never go down the way i i've <hes> scripted scripted now. It's true man yeah even in like third grade. He's waiting for you out in the back of the school there. He's been told that you waiting yes. Eh one hundred percent that was nice of you to throw yourself under the bus and not discussed the women that you've dated and yeah. I mean a couple. I couldn't avoid avoid who know hearing what was funny is like you know you'll end up in his avenue. I'm sure you go to something and you end up in a photo next to somebody. There's a website a who dated who that they're pulling from in their research and so he is a list of people he thinks i dated but they're just people like one time. I was literally walking across the street in hollywood. We would buy just happenstance terror lipinski's walking through the same crosswalk. It kind of appears were together walking and that's someone i dated yeah. According to that that website i've been in photographs standing next to people who i am dating a- and they still wouldn't believe it. I'll ah male pale now. What about you and is that we have been neighbors for fifteen years. You realize that no yes. I thought you just moved into this is the most bizarre i live directly behind. You and i have for fifteen years. That can't be true. Yes it's true. Why do you think i would see you pushing my children around in a stroller. I thought because you were moving here instruction. You're renting some other spa. No i moved into the house behind behind yours fourteen years ago my shed opens into the little alley across the street from your house. That's why i'm always coming up from that alley. I still don't know what you're okay great. So you know if you're at it your garage. You're in your garage. You look to your right. I see you in there. All the time you look to your left is a little alley that goes downhill. Yes next downhill downhill lemon montre. Yes lemon trees on my property. There's a shed door there and that's the door into my property amazing bs. We've been neighbors for fifteen years and this. This is exactly what i'm getting that. This is what's so funny. Is we have been neighbors. I've been aware of it for fifteen years. I had to learn about you for today and it's a very unique experience to investigate your neighbor to like you know like do a deep dive on one of your neighbors. Let's see so we've talked. I'm going to say you and i have chatted in the neighborhood seven times over the last decade thoughts and then we are one time in d._c. Do you remember this. No white house correspondents dinner okay you in summer. Were staying the same hotel bell and i were and we sat down and had like a tea in the lobby. You remember that okay. That was a nice to yes now. In general is your memory. What would you give it out of ten nine. What really great to you have a great. No no no no no your memory my memory okay and it's getting worse. Yes forty four and i sometimes i forget like names of people who i have known and loved for a long time yes i do you think being a parent has has something to do with that because i've noticed mind-bending a nosedive since we had kids yeah i think so i think it just ages you stress is. You're out a little bit. There's all of that worry. No we know the inevitable unless you're like buddha parents zoll that that were involved than the sleeplessness. All that stuff contributes like if you wanna live long long healthy you know keep your memory get some rest. Don't have kids yeah yeah yeah yeah but so the over the years that i've bumped into the you. I've been always trying to got to have everyone's approval. <hes> everyone's who were driver you naming gotta have it must uh-huh yes. Monica spends most of her week with me. It gets tiresome. I i'd like to think i've gotten a little better but you just by nature. You have a very even temperament right. You're crazy. No i mean maybe that the veneer okay no a- practiced appearance of trying to a stay seemed like do they know crazy. Just hold it together. Okay outside yeah. Here's the blanks filled in in my insecurity all the times i've met you. I'm like look could be a very laid back guy or option. B. and i can put some real time into this. He thinks i'm a hack. He thinks i'm <hes> i'm i'm not a serious actor and he is a serious actor. He thinks a money hungry and i'll do anything just by the way completely true these when i'll walk away sometimes i'm like <hes> just think of the list of things you're going through are like oh that guy. He's so arrogant because he's tall what's going on with. This guy noticed tall. Ah let me tell you something. We are those two kids who have been set up to fight in the back of the school. I don't have those those opinions. The one interaction i can remember with you or had a similar experience in my own head. It was christmas eve. I think okay and that was walking with my kids and sometimes we like to do is go around insane and for the neighbors which i've been asked to just mouthed the words bad singer but we were on our way back and i was struggling and i think i saw you you you were coming up that same alley talking about and i said i called i said merry christmas sir within some holiday enthusiasm in you you sent back. A kind of what i thought was remarking me. You went merry christmas aw oh cool to say merry christmas at this guy's going christmas but maybe that wasn't the case not at all. I've wanted your approval and friendships since i moved within behind you in fact i probably would have laughed but i just haven't gotten it yet so i will not leave this neighborhood until i know you like me. I like you. There'll be a lot of projecting in nisa. Okay because i'm i'm stuck in my own point of view but a lot of parallels you and i first of all. We're the same age or maybe six months older than we both have older brothers. We both have alcoholic fathers. Both have single mothers raised by. There's a lot of stuff and i wonder the fact that we would both have those assumptions. Is that just the price you pay of being a younger brother other because my brother was looking for any way in to fuck with me and so i just had to get really good at a assuming intentions. We're the worst and then having some kind. I'm prepared defense. At all times i could not possibly just mosey around my house peacefully expecting benevolence to come from this is a little brother thing maybe ben and i were pretty <hes> i was tortured any younger brother yeah but i was pretty light accounting at avoiding it and finding my own way to like see it coming in sort of sidestep in different ways so i don't think back on my child is being traumatized the ties by someone older bigger stronger you know i do you think back on us as being like really good friends right. Oh well you are closer. Because what are you two years apart or something three years. Okay my brother's five. I was a tag along for much more than maybe you were right. I was probably more of a tag along felts which is a nice thing yeah. Nevertheless i do definitely have those feelings. You know you could spend a lifetime and probably will analyzing your childhood. It leads you to become this person. You are now and then at seventy five thinking back on your forties. You know seeing yourself as a kid of sorts. I'm wondering how you got to become which are seventy five. It'll never stop probably right but i asked my mom when she turned sixty five what it was like she set everything glows which she was being intentionally cryptic i think but also i interpreted that as being that it's sort of all the bad parts sort of were softened end but also memory itself was sort of blurring everything into a really nostalgic vision of her past just in general i sort of hope that that's what happens because i still although my memories of four out of ten now feels that way my memories have a sharp edge to them shar and no sharp edges. I think are the things that cut it in to your ego. When you think about a yield merry christmas and then he yelled it back in the same tone and he disliked by everyone in the yeah yeah. I totally agree with you when twenties. I'm always kind of trying to debate in my head. Just stop thinking about that childhood. You're here you like where you're at. Ah for the most part and just be in today forget about that but all roads lead back to it. It's like if i have anything i'm triggered by defensive by it really is embarrassingly these simple that it's really all based in those maybe even ten years those first ten years. It's ridiculous how hard it is to escape that so part of me is like oh just put it to bed and and move forward. There's no moving forward until i can kinda be constructed are are unravel at all and just notice when something's like. I think you're judging me for being a bad actor. You know that that's not really happening. What's happening in something from what i'm ten. That's kinda relevant for me to right size my my interactions. You know yeah and it's helpful to move through your day. I mean if you can go like this. Do not judging me for being a bad actor. You probably don't care who's is a good or bad actor right like. I don't really care you know in the night. I honestly don't think of myself as being a good. You're great actor by my estimation. Think uh-huh yeah but i think one thing it does when you feel punished by the thoughts of others you start to think a little bit about okay. How do i perceive people. What am i inner thoughts about about people. It's probably not so dissimilar to the experience that they're happening when people are more similar than they are dissimilar so i'm probably feeling mocked. Maybe he's feeling a little bit mocked by me. The and you know one thing that i do remember that like when you see others you're looking through a dense fog of your own insecurities. Move your own ignorance and inherited prejudice. All these things yeah any thought that you were going to hold on to think about that. I that like fog that you you have to look through before you see someone else. Everyone is having the same experience yes even physiologically. Your eyes aren't functioning on the same levels. Mine could be better could be worse. Our ears aren't aren't perceiving the same all the same registries and stuff. You know we're actually taking in different information to begin with and then we're putting it through. This fucked up software. We've developed over the last forty four years or you soon to be forty four years but it's hard to remember that i had a moment yesterday. I visited my wife onset for her birthday. I was talking to this guy love d._d._a. Who i worked with on another show in he was showing me some motorcycle videos and i was quickly trying to tell him about my motorcycle. Stop and i realized in this moment. I was like you're not eight. Eat trying to get the approval of cool guys like he wants your approval in get out of your own way in give this guy approval yeah but i was blinded by my own like one one ninety this and i've written on that track and blah blah blah blah but i was just like oh. It's really easy to not be or you to who you are in the world to kind of forget. How about how other people are seeing you or even like. I was the boss on two different movies. I directed two different movies at no no point although clearly and logically and intellectually i was like well i am the boss but i am still twelve in my head and there's no way i'm the boss of anyone and there's no like they're are all in on the joke and i'm just not seeing myself as the boss and then of course years later i'm like boy was the boss. I didn't take that in in. I should have some some situations that you see. Come up. You're like oh. I have power over someone. I would've never thought had a power over somebody. Yes i've been a boss and not been aware of exactly what the responsibilities of that role entailed <hes> and not also thought of myself as the boss being aware of how others do see you at or just in specifically in a professional environment share is important. Even if you are sort of behaving the way you should or have good intentions or you're aware that like everyone everyone feels fine here like your sense of decency as a human. Your radar is intact. If you're not sort of abiding by or aware of the guidelines thousands of a professional environment vulnerable to people saying like yo you're not behaving responsibly and that has all kinds of tentacles and so yeah being a boss means a whole ton of things that like i was not prepared for something with the first movie that direct rotten rat. I wish that i had understood that better than doesn't mean to say. Ah wasn't a messy situation. It's complicated but certainly i try to look for like no matter what is going on like even if i feel like my angriest the most offensive and most dick demise myself look quick to feel how other people might feel victimized like do the dig that deep dive on like what does the other person's point of view that other person feel and what could you have done to make that experience better for them. That's the lesson in it for me and on that movie. I directed ten years ago. I learned a lot of that and then i did another movie recently and took a lot of that to heart but i can give an example well. We were watching the sixty minutes special about some issues at spotted pig in new york which is a restaurant fucking love and eaten a million times and so chris and i were watching in this woman and employees of one of the guys there was was saying what happens they were in a car together and it was late at night and she was going to drive them somewhere and then he leaned over and started kissing in her and she said in i just froze. I completely froze. I didn't know what to do and then we heard like the account from a couple of other ladies that had the same reaction in i think to myself wow that's new information for me. I never would have assumed when when i went to kiss a girl if she didn't say oh no thank you or move away. That would be my signal. I never an option for me. I never would have thought it was like well. She might freeze. It's that might be the reaction and so i got a really check in with that. That's not something i i again trapped to my own perspective whereas if you lean over to try to kiss me right now own nothing's or i'd move my body in those. That's what i think. The options are and then. I just learned. I'm fucking forty four. I learned a year and a half ago. Then an option is to completely get paralyzed lies with fear and freeze and i was like wow when i star running my whole life through the fucking camera now and i think of that. I'm mike oh did did that. Just freeze like you know. I take on new information and i get a little scared. I now know going four fingers crossed. I won't have to find out because i'm married but while that's good information for me to have going forward. I mean every lesson like that when you're honest with yourself if processed properly is good information going forward and i think a lot of people go like what's the new rule book and we know what's what's right. What's what people how people should behave anywhere. They kind of throw up their hands. As a sort of underhanded criticism of the of the cultural shift that is happening and i think that's not fair because there's always he's a kind of new rule book and he always learning new things and y- you are becoming a more thoughtful person and just culturally. That's the way it goes. People bill realize there are lessons that they were taught ideas that they were reared on that were deficient the mike we you and i might have been taught. Well no means no. That's a slogan you know like you ask somebody if right to kiss you and if they say no you leave alone and by the way that was the bar for me. That was the book growing up right and why is that deficient. It's important for people to understand that not just to be told that but understand well. It's division because as you point out someone might just just be freezing the that uncomfortable or because even if you just ask once and you ask very nicely and they say no and you leave them alone after that it still might be wrong because you're in an environment where it's inappropriate like for example you both work in the same office or something we'll say no or whatever it is yeah so reexamining the things that we were raised on and you know sort of what i feel like. We're all about your meanwhile gene rickey. Keep getting better a little bit culturally. I can tell you right now. If i were single i would not be operating the way i did fifteen years ago. I have learned a lot in the last fifteen years in my behavior would not be the same like i was raised in a paradigm where you tried to get laid as much as you could and she was in charge ars of the brake pedal and when she finally led up you're good to go that was the cat and mouse i was raised on and that's not how it is now nor should it ever been or going forward. Should it be uh-huh. I recognize like i wouldn't live my life going forward the way i had in the past which could yeah i mean. I think it's also that people are a little unsure of what's acceptable behavior. It's good that people are walking around on eggshells a little bit for the time being yeah. That's like a sign of like there's some growth happening. The conversations are happening that are making people feel like they aren't really totally sure if they should be as you say just like out there and trying to get laid inside. It's someone else's responsibility. Put the brake pedal on but it i think like one of the problems that is and this is probably said by a million other people but like one of the things that is so oh blindingly dumb about the make america great slogan is that like america has always been great because it was an idea what makes it great is that it keeps getting better going back saying we're going to a regressive point of view. Make america great again yeah implies that it was better back then yes the time which is antithetical to the spirit of the country and our culture which is to always try to be a little bit better. Yes the great thing about america is the declaration of the virtues. It's going to pursue and we just haven't achieved them at the levels that we still aspire to so yeah. It's it's all working towards this great declaration ration- of what we're aiming towards also it's like when they say that if you half the distance between yourself and a door you'll never reach the door because you're only getting halfway there each time yeah and so the improvements may become teeny tiny increments but there's still improvements. We elected barack obama. What a giant leap forward still he could not ought openly support gay marriage when he was yeah. Now we have seventy two different selections for gender on facebook even in the past eight years or you're. You're taking a huge step for their in. It's just gonna continue that way. Yeah please. Thank god fine here. Yes all that's true and the only way to move forward is to listen to people and have conversations so there's a current sort of negativity happening where people just don't want to hear the other side or they don't want to allow people to learn and they just want people to automatically know the right thing to do and i think we have to be like mistakes are going to happen in this process and you can't ostracize everyone who's made any mistake. It's a problem. I think everyone makes mistakes. Grouse would be a pathway to redemption redemption and forgiveness and all those thing. Yes you know we can't just like one strike. You're out for life. Yeah which it sort of feels like right now which i think is stifling some of the actual conversation i think the only way to move forward is like really be talking about it in a real way not in a fearful way i agree with everything you're saying completely. I would only the add to that just like from personal experience that in addition there has to be a sense of curiosity about other people. That's what you think we know about. Them might not actually know about them that it's not just should we forgive this person. We've who've decided has made a mistake or should we also allow for the fact that you know people as well as we think we know them when they're just presented in the public sphere right right right so let's go back to massachusetts. Do we have similar. Dad's dead loved drinking yeah. He's sober now or was is is mom like the most perfect human being never live pretty greg great yeah so for me. Mom is the number one gal of all time and always will be in this man who fucking left turned pay child support and kept the family home of course chrissy had to be the the antagonist and the story in this narrative bowl through his own actions and then just my desire to punish him. I did not give him a chance really at all. Ah you know it takes time and having kids and perspective to allow that person to be human and stuff and i was wondering if you had any of those complicated feelings about you're now my feelings about my dad are less complicated than they used to be because about fifteen years ago after doing a lot of thinking about it. I decided to confront those those feelings in myself. Talk to him about it. Talk through in my own life twenty five year old version of that. I wanted to talk to both my parents about everything that happened in my childhood aalto. We're gonna talk about it kind of thing and things got a lot of a lot easier. I don't have any hard feelings towards my dad at all. I really love them and i know oh that getting sober effort. I was fourteen and he was very very hard thing for him to do and i didn't understand it then. I didn't understand what he was going. Through how painful his life must have been for the first fourteen years of my life. I didn't know anything about his childhood and learning about the things that he he experienced which are way more traumatic than things that i've had to go through. I see that he sort of moved a mountain to make my life a little bit easier than his. He had a very very hard childhood and i thought my childhood resort traumatic full scary things and i see how what he's done to be able to come through and be the person person he is now and he was about as bad as an alcoholic as you could possibly get. He just went from like a time. I can remember which is around five or six years old. He just went straight downhill. <hes> he was homeless for period in no idea he was just a guy living on the street. Wow we couldn't find him. Get accelerated by getting force at imagine that the last five years from when you were nine to fourteen maybe nosedive. Maybe maybe that was what sort of what was holding together a little bit or it started to happen and that is what precipitated take the divorce. I remember the apartment on our third floor above us that there was a stairway up and i'm finding mountain of empty beer cans and things hidden and under the stairwell so i know that even that at that age i knew like this is a secret you know yeah. That was the first realization that like why the drinking beer secret probably six or seven or something and you develop. I feel like i developed spidey senses from not only my dad but then i had a string of alcoholic stepfathers in the mix and just developed his very cute like reading everyone's temperature at all times. Who's about to turn. How do i break the tension of where this is going. I can feel it coming in. I just have this sense now of a route. When things are about to turn gnarly i calling spidey buddy sense is like a really putting a positive spin on it. I think it's a kind of p._t._s._d. On predict dealing with unpredictable behavior when you're a little kid yeah i mean i saw the plane hit the tower and nine eleven. I was there wa- saw the plane go into the building. Explode the other side and for years afterward the sound of a plane or allowed truck or things like that were very jarring. That isn't a spidey sense of something bad happening. That is just like a dealing with the trauma of something bad. Add the did happen you physically standing in lower manhattan and watch it with your own eyes holy fuck in. Did you go through the same something. All of us viewers did were like the first thing was like wow what a crazy accident in the second one. You're like oh. This is not an accident or did you feel when the first one oh this is not i saw the second i saw the second one. The first one was on fire and i was standing at the window of my apartment and i was looking at the building on fire. We were facing south. We saw the plane coming up from the south and i just thought the plane so low. Isn't it no connection between the two right well. That's too low and then the bank at the last minute. It went into one side of the building and did not come out. You know just a fireball comes out the other side and it was so strange. It was like watching you know your dog. Just walk up and eat the couch. I seem to physically be possible symbol that like how can a plane go into building. There was nothing in my past experience to put that in context and i just went. I think i'm not proud out of this. I think i just kind of chuckled at the like. It didn't fit as a real. That's so weird. That plane just disappeared into the let's funny. I don't get get it yeah. I don't know it certainly of it. Yeah even like a little kid. I was always kind of waiting for the fabric of reality to tear okay and i imagine a situation that are rare and extraordinary would make you a little bit. Just feel like oh my in real like what's happening to reality because that's not a possibility in the physics of the universe. I live in exactly yeah. Wow stay tuned for more armchair bird. 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If we see a stranger coming at us on the sidewalk i think like us guys gonna try to steal my wallet and she's like i think my cure cancer answer. Look at the look on his. We're literally seeing the world that opposite of away. That's really funny reminded me of a totally unrelated story. I have the the same kind of thing about myself and about like basically a negative outcome. Is that like ninety nine percent. I mean that's probably what's going to happen. Maybe something i also happen but i was reminded me of something different which is that i was walking down the street and york city one time and there was this guy in front of me. I was much younger and this is why i was so stupid and judgmental until and i'm following this guy and he's head to toe black leather boots leather pants a leather like trenchcoat the middle of the summer and midtown. He's carrying this guitars cars kind of long hair and i was like this guy he's lived his life trying to be like a rockstar and just didn't make it and he won't let go of it. He's not gonna like aw face the reality of it and every time he turned it just so happened that i was turning to like. It's just one of those weird things or you're not following the person but they keep going the route and i was it's like a long time to take him in and i was like being really in my head sure very very judgmental and just imagine what his life was no hard hard liquor of your dreams and hang onto it all finally get to a place of feeling like really sorry form but also like and then i get to the corner like he stops because he's waiting to cross. I finally catch up to him and i get up there in the corner and i sort of glance at his face. It's kevin bacon. Mike a possibly right yeah. I think you know i think it says a lot about what we fear will happen to us for sure right. You're just like you're just fucking projecting objecting. That's very ironic though because i you ever did right was with kevin bacon your thirteen thirteen thirteen. Did you say like maybe you knew the more. You didn't have been fun to say like hey. I was thirteen and i know i did that once. I ran into him because he met here sedgwick. I was a little kid and i was only there ear because my mom's family friend was making. They just needed like a little kid to be in this p._b._s. Show shooting our hometown so they let me do it. I wasn't sort of like aspiring had no concept of the career so he was there and that's where he met your sedgwick and they were both really lovely and i i remember them being expose super nice to me and and anyway saw them years and years later. This is probably three years ago. I kind of selling for the first time i went up. They were in a car and he said hey. I'm casey affleck and that was a little kid and i was in this thing with you and when cure it was nice to meet you and i said no. No i was in a we've met before. I was in a t._v. Show you did. She was like she was kind of distracted. She was like oh great will really nice to meet you. Yeah i guess then if you kind of burned once you're probably not and you also did another thing at fifteen right the kennedys story <hes> my mother's best friend was the local casting director in the city that we grew up and her daughter and i kind of best friends growing up shannon and i kind of like sister and brother bid and so anytime there was like a job in boston austin cambridge massachusetts which used to be not very often now it is very often but they would just bring us in for like a day off from school to be an extra thing and occasionally. They'd give us bigger parts if they needed little kids to say something yeah so. That's how i got that never having met your mother nor heard a thing about her. Just two things to clues. I'm going by one one is your birth name is hyphenated right you have her last name so with that clue and the fact that she was harvard educated i guess in the seventies sixties sixties sixties that makes me think your mom's a beast yeah. She's a beast he's obese right. Raise the two of us she did it sort of on our own not only on our own but dealing with <hes> difficult goltz relationship that ended when i was around seven or eight and they got divorced and then having to drive us over to see him he's passed out or we can't find the apartment that he's staying in now or taking us to on meetings albertine meetings all that stuff. That's the other insane parallel we have i. I don't think i've met anyone that's also been to l. Team meetings those are har- oh man well. I started to go like i moved in with my dad for ninth and tenth grade great. You'd know rules for state ladies. I wanted whatever the only rule was. You have to go to a meeting once a week so like that. You're involved in this process with me kinda. So the first thing was like go to allenton. I went and i was like this is terrible. This is like an after school special. I'm just going to go to the a._a. Meeting because i relate to those people so weirdly was in a a before i ever even became an addict because i thought l. team was lame. Ya i mean looking back when i was like don't treat me off the bible study or so. It was always in the basement of a church. I mean which also like. I'm not dropping right kid off at the base or right the role playing you'd have to pretend to be your front of a bunch of kids. I was always younger. I felt like they were teenagers. And i was like eleven <hes> ariston there were cooler and kind of victim. Meanness was rewarded there. It was like the more you know the shittier situation you're dealing with it was kind of elevated status allies and i just didn't i identify with being victim either so you were a kid sitting in meetings with a bunch of addicts hardcore detroit addicts yeah and i would identify dentist fai is <hes> say your name and that you're an alcoholic and clearly wasn't so i would say i'm dax. I've alcoholic tendencies which proved to be very true but i was like i need something to you know be invited to this. They were fine with it. Everyone's finding we want one more quick. Quick question about your toilet before we move onto stunning professional career. You guys went to mexico for a year. When my mother was a schoolteacher fifth grade teacher. She was the tutor leader for a bunch of kids who are on a p._b._s. Show there's a bunch of kids on. There was on doc series. It was like an educational series to be shown in classrooms. The my brother is one of the kids on. I was just dragged along because my dad wasn't taking care of me. My and my mom had to go and do this and so we went to live in the next year so i wasn't on the show. I was just there in mexico. It was amazing. It's one of the best memories is it as what part of mexico all over a lot auto parts that have now become sadly like really <hes> just ripped apart by terrorism and and destroyed ecologically or culturally but <hes> we were in mexico city for a really long time and we were all over the yucatan. We were in places like palanca. It was like ruins inside inside. A jungle hadn't even been cleared. I mean it was like not a place. People are going to and i'd have to get up because it was a a set and they're making a show. They're still getting up before dawn and stuff and i'd have to do that too so i'd get up and dark and go into the jungle and spend all day like just hanging around the set where they're making hum kind of just my memory at least sort of just being on my own you know i'm supervisor and the way the kids used to be and it was a great experience it again more checks in your mom being a beast category because taking two boys down to mexico for a year as a pretty bold move yeah. She did it all she was great and she was very well educated. She probably could have done and other things but she was a schoolteacher underpaid. They all are overworked. They all are given a bunch of shit constantly through the bureaucracy of the school system <hes> you know and so she was a kind of a superhero but you as a kid aren't aware of that you know he's still resent your parents. In part of when i got older i realized you know unfairly resent my mom as being the person who is constantly correcting us never letting us do stuff never you know always punishing us and making me do my homework and making your crates and all that stuff and in a way that i don't feel about my dad but just because he wasn't there unfair yeah that said i love my father. I love them both and i think he's become a guide and a great friend and a great grandfather but definitely was absent. You know you must be really charismatic. That is my other deduction and she's like harvard educated and he was like going from job to job to job. He must have been real charismatic. Yes so in your brain gets any soak it in booze. It loses a lot of charisma you know when he got sober fourteen fifteen. He went into this place. Go the a._b._c. club which is basically for people who it's like state mandated like go there or go to prison. Go spend six months davis he glove or are you getting locked up. Is it's not cushy. It's pretty hard and i went out to visit him. You know and i was like a junior high school. We've got to go out and visit them and he was a different person. It was like meeting a stranger strangers. Someone i never knew just didn't remember you know personality when he was drinking yeah so when you graduated high school you move to l. a. Briefly right. I moved out here. I got at into doing theater in high school and i thought okay. This seems fun. I wanna do this and then. I didn't really know anyone who would ever really worked so i got in a car my best friend and we drove out to l._a. And we lived in eagle rock which we thought was like you know boom here we are angeles. Mission accomplished rushed and tried to find agent took all year to find an agent. It was a tough go. I was working as a busboy because i wasn't yet eighteen so i couldn't serve alcohol and then i kinda got a couple auditions and miraculously. I got one of those parts out of the five additions that i got that year you you know movies mostly like saved by the bell save by the bell save some movie that happened. We look for kids from like the northeast or something. I got that job and so i was planning on leaving leaving l. a. and just gonna try to go to college and do other stuff. I got the job and i went and did it was a movie called today for and then after that which is gus van sant right yep. This starts have friendship between guys totally. Yeah sometimes luck right. Just kinda yeah happens for your first thing to have been with him. Yeah definitely it was luck and it also lucky that he was the kind of person who like likes being a mentor. You know beautiful guy. He was like you know very open to he. Let me be an editor on one of his movies and you know he really taught me a lot. He was actually my neighbor who came down and knocked on the door on nine eleven and said hey the world trade center's on fire fire got me out of bed and i went and looked at the looked out the window so we we stayed close friends and i did a bunch movies with him but after that movie today for i did not intend to keep working i was kind of out of out of money at the time. I thought it was just going back to l._a. Would be more like additions. Things didn't wanna do and i. It didn't feel like i was having a ton ton of success so i went to school and went to two schools riding on to george washington and then you went to colombia i went to george washington right high school girlfriend who was going there sort of li- just wanted to go so i went there and spent about a semester there. I'm glad you said that because there's like i could feel a missing seem piece to this puzzle. You just do a movie and then your first thought is like and i'm going to be some other that the variable in the equation. I also thought like oh political. Science politics go being d._c. Go be with her a little bit in and that seemed to make sense to me at the time and and then that didn't work out you know it kind of fizzled a bit and then i was like i'll go live in new york so applied to school in new york. I went there off and on for a couple years sort of going doing semester taking semester off to try to our money which was at the time of independent movies and so it was kind of easier to find like little jobs. I didn't have to make much money. <hes> so you just go and take whatever job literally anything that they would hire you wanna do it and now we go back to school and i loved it and things are going well. I got a preface this by saying that when i say it's her favorite movie. I don't think you'll ever really comprehend to what level it's her. Favorite movie monica has both seen in good will hunting in the hundreds of times in all through high school she would sit in class and just watch the movie and i would just watch it and then rewind it and watch it and watch. I watched. I it so many times that in school i just watch it in my brain. Why i'm frank zone out and just be there joy. It had <music> such an impact on my life. Wh what was it about the movie that all of acute floors. I was in eighth grade that was part of it. I guess it was i was used to seeing teen movies at that time and that was yeah like rom coms and those things and i liked all those movies but then i saw this and i was like oh this is a movie. This is doing something to me. I am feeling something. I'm invested in these people yes. I guess it was probably the first time i felt that but still my favorite movie and i when i watched it now it it holds up. It's one of my favorites too but i have an actual theory and why everyone liked it and why it's so good i also. I just want to add my first date with a girl. I ended up being with for nine years was sitting on on the floor of the a._m._c. in century city because all the seats were sold out and we just sat on the floor and watch that movie on the carpet but theory is we all feel we hope or special and then it just hasn't been discovered like i think it's the ultimate wish fulfillment that we all have something really unique weekend special and brilliant about us. That's waiting to be discovered. I mean not reduce it to this but we all feel like we're genius that no one realizes is gene on on some level even if you're like recognize. You're not a book genius or something would you. Do you have a theory. That seems like a good there. I thought that it really had impact culturally and with so many individuals just because of my character yeah it goes without saying knowing complain about the movie is that you weren't every only criticism of it's a beautifully written story and also i think the like gus took a script that was one thing and he really like found a way to make you root for the characters and root for the friendships in a way the always does of his movies awesome the score <hes> he's just sort of remarks i think both of you have articulated better than i am about why it sort of caught fire in that way and why it still holds loads up in wild can it still be very moving watching it even after twenty five years but like little things as i saw it sort of developed from a draft of a screenplay to gus coming onto onto making the movie all those things all the little things that he brought like the score and liked what he's done with my own private idaho making those characters like like these beautiful outsiders in beautifully misunderstood. People forgotton looked over yeah and that's sort of what you're saying. Is that like it captures that feeling of somebody feeling overlooked or feeling like there's more to them than others e and <hes> well. I don't know if this is lower but i heard through the grapevine eight vine that the original script there was a whole third act were matt goes to work for like <hes> the n._s._a. And there's like almost an espionage aspect to it or a <hes> destruction from within fighting the system like was there a whole there was that oh yeah it was in there yeah and then. I don't think that was in the version. That gus was ever gonna do like it wasn't shot and cut out. Oh okay right. He's just one of the many drafts that they wrote. It's a great example of how movie can go through like a million different lives before it finds its way to the screen green and that movie was a michael mann movie or this person movie of that person movie and and they all looked completely different and luckily it became what it became found found. Its own like the best possible path. Sometimes i see movies and i think i bet there's a better movie in there. She had the wrong parents and sort of took a wrong. Turn so when you did that is that now the first that's a hugely successful movie and you must now be thinking like oh. I might foot in the door now in a a big way or did you think that if i was smart i would have been aware of that. You know but like looking back on my career. I have never ever had that kind of self awareness fairness and or professional dance. I just didn't think like okay now. Let me use this to my advantage as an opportunity. I didn't even wanna do that that movie. I had to be cajoled. I was in school at the time. I was like in liking that i didn't really love the part. I was like i'm not coming. I'm not gonna leave school for a semester and go. Oh do like three scenes of the guy who just is also sitting at the table dinner. I mean to do but i was like. I really loved goss and my brother in matt and they were like just come do it. It'll be fun. It'll be it'll be get to be in boston for a while. It'll be a good thing you know and so i went to and i had no idea that like monica was yeah and i didn't have any afterward that like i ought to be capitalizing on success and i still didn't think that way i was i did another movie that was like this estimates jesse james which was a complete failure in some sense i mean just box box office beautiful movie and and i had been singled out as being like oh that was a good performance and then i didn't work for two years or something you know when i went and did like some stupid homemade movie with my friend instead yeah i've never taken those kinds of opportunities beena careerist or thought like career that never mind being shrewd or just even like common sense is locked in the department what i feel like i share with you is. I didn't move here because i thought i was going to be successful in this. I was like i'll never make it but i'm going to prevent a regret. I'll be very mad at myself itself. I have not tried this eye. Unknowingly or unwittingly manifested a lot of stuff which you can do. 'cause you find what you're looking for. If you're looking for confirmation mation that the story you've told yourself is correct. You'll find it. Yes your brains. Evil wouldn't because <hes> in fact. I said this to monica before you came here tonight. I was like i watched the assassination nation of jesse james and i think like a lot of people i was like oh my fucking god. I cannot believe how good you are. You're incredible in that movie. This guy is <music>. A christian bali like that movie for me made me a huge fan of yours. That's very nice of you to say you got nominated for a golden globe sag for right right yep and then you do gonna be gone right then as well right two thousand <hes> vanish. I did that movie before assassination. Just teams came out. Okay okay again. I see that movie and i'm like now. I not only go like oh. He's an mazing character actor. I'm now like those. There's a movie star. I can follow this guy through a home. I can watch him. Walk down the street. I can watch him sitting at a table thinking about whatever's on his mind. I'm all in. I'm buying stock in you. We lost a lot of money but then at that moment to your point a moment that you could have probably really capitalized in some way way you decide to go make a movie and i wonder looking back with the perspective of today i mean even the premise of the movie really is self sabotage. I'm a huge self sabotage my hobby. I made an art form of it. I wonder do you think on any level there was this is too good to be true. This can't be happening is going away tomorrow and somehow. I'm going to prove that probably some level a little bit yeah again never knowingly right. You're not like goodwill yeah. I didn't see the opportunity sort of blossoming awesome in front of me. I just didn't see but by the way because you're not optimistic right so you're not thinking oh now great things are going to happen. You're right but let me go back. That's it's very nice. If you say all those things about me and i don't mean this with like any false modesty but i think it's just bullshit. I mean i think that basically like anybody could have done those parts and and you would be thinking the exactly the same thing about them now. My theory is i disagree. My theory is that there are people who it it is largely like the director the context the whole thing is making and there's evidence of this like mike lee movies people have never worked before and you put them in the right context and the performances are spectacular and you think oh. Is it a performance. Is it just this person. I don't really know it is mostly all of its like the director. It's the deep v._p. Being aware of what their photograph everything's working in their favor. I know for fact that there are fifty people there could have done those same things that jesse james was a movie that was handmade made by the director who knew every detail what he was doing and he would have gotten that sort of a lot of people by the way i was like the fifth choice same for gone baby gone. Ben asked asked if i could help him get in touch with ruffalo number for this person that person. I think that's true. It's through for you. It's it's true. It's true for anybody. No i think you have a specific lane that is absolutely brilliant and amazing captivating in it's the most truthful truth for thing and you could have easily been a casualty but you were allowed to do the thing you actually specialist at and then people got to see that so actually think it's the opposite of what you're saying. I think you're a specialist and i think it can be a very hard road for a specialist. Often failure is pretty likely but when you've got to do the thing you can do brilliantly you were brilliant. That's very generous of you but here's my take on that. I think that like director is building a house yeah and it may be a very beautiful house that people really love and i am one of the pieces of material and it might be like. I'm better at some things as you're saying like i have a lane. I'm really good at this. I'm i'm a nail. You know what i'm saying and the stricter is like i need a nail and it works perfectly never like manchester by the sea amazing using beautiful movie. It's ninety nine point nine percent kenny lonner again and then here are the tools that he used to put us in there. I am if in some cases if a screw was called for four and a director puts me in there and i'm a nail he's like i'm going to make it work. He kind of makes it work. It's not exactly. I'm not the best tool for that. Director makes it work. It's true. You can't put me into certain things that don't do that. Well like heist movies and comedies and those kinds of things there are people who are way better at that but i can if the director's really good like steven soderbergh or someone you know they'll find a way to like fit me in no okay so again. You're completely wrong. Here's the intrinsic gifts that you have in an. I recognize it's all a facade is every one of us is a facade. You have the believable believable appearance as being someone who doesn't need approval doesn't need to be liked. That is a very unique gift in thing that actually i. I don't believe in fact. I've talked to my wife out of doing roles that she could have done. There's no question she's got the skill set to do anything under the sun she does but she's has also intrinsically likeable and she's intrinsically sparkly and it's like yeah you could put all this work in into flattening all that and you could pull it off but what why would you do. That's like asking a shaquille to take fucking three point shots why do that you have this thing so. I think you have this very visceral walking through life. I don't care if you like me again. I think it's a defense mechanism but i think it's the real defense. I think it's rooted in all the truth of you as a person yes yes. I hate myself and the good the good ones that that is a unique skill set to you that i disagree that you can plug log. Everyone in people could pull it off but i think you definitely have in those roles. There's been like five of them. Were you know i don't know who you're gonna get. That's going to do that better but wait one thing about that there there are movies that are seemingly perfect that have bad performances so it's not like just because i'm on dockside about this about you. Being great great you can't just like put in a mediocre actor and get a great performance. I know well though you're right. There are a couple of directors that have made that's their gift the the guy with three names sideways and alexander payne everyone in an alexander payne movies perfect. I mean even after a great great great alexander zender pain. You're right mike nichols. There's some people people that really somehow everyone's brilliant and everyone's really yes the cohn brothers. I mean look. You can't do with a podcast tim saying either. You're really good at doing an interview or you're not. You know what i mean like you. Guys are are clearly good having conversations making them interesting getting into what's interesting about a person all that <hes> but i think with the movie because they're like three hundred people involved making the thing there's a lot of like lifting up other people lifting up and the people that we celebrate eight. It's preposterous to have these awards shows where you've got one person on credit for for o._p._e._c. of other people's. Yes it's really ridiculous and it's done on just for the purposes of really sell selling movies and selling t._v. and it's become a t._v. Show with great ratings and of itself. It's an industry. It's an industry ridiculous. I think the truth is between you and monica and i. I think we're both right around the metal. Yeah you can definitely be lifted by the tide of a movie but you also you know oh. You're a fucking brilliant and movies that are don't even work to me. That's a testament to how good someone is. Stay tuned for more armchair. Dare beep beatty. Bom bom boudou ziprecruiter ziprecruiter. Hiring is a challenge to possible to find someone. That's fantastic like monica padma. It's only one me but ziprecruiter makes hiring simple fast and smart art. 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It's strange how similar we are. I heard once someone say something that stuck with me that good people dream. They're bad and bad people. Don't that's true that there are good and bad people but i do think that there's some truth in that that like people who really really care about being good spend a lot of time worrying about am i bad if i am i done something bad that i accidentally do something bad and and sort of beating themselves up about it and it manifests manifests in these like bad dreams in all these fears that you have and i've been haunted by recurring james my whole life since i was a little kid same once and trying to figure out what those are really is a has something to do with why i like movies and storytelling. I read red in joseph. Campbell's book talks about how like the dream is the personalized myth and the myth is the d. personalized dream that we share that we have in common common and i think that through storytelling in role playing that we acting and creating these fake worlds has something to due trying to understand those dreams yeah i think also for me to a rooted on the little bit of like i was the golden child in my family. My mother thought i was going to become come president. There was a scumbag side of me who is not doing the things that i knew she wanted me to do so. I've always had this kind of bifurcated life well. I think one of the things that i learned in parenting was that you know telling your kids all the time like how great they are how they can do everything how they're so amazing. Amazing is a real burden psychological burden to them because everybody they know on some level that they aren't perfect. They know that they're not great at every shane. You're so great. You're the best this you can do anything you and like an extension of that is that shame is a natural emotion. <hes> shaming somebody is a mistake and you shouldn't allow yourself to be shamed by others you but feeling shame is a natural phenomenon as a human being that that helps us course correct. I've seen it with my kids. At a very young age like hit their friend he had a bloody nose by accident. They're fighting and it's too hard the nerve sword bloody nose and retreats into just disappears and you find in the corner and the other room as just feeling shame of having hurt somebody not knowing how to say it not knowing what overcame in this nerve fight and it is natural and healthy in some way. It's healthy if you understand it. It's tempting nineteen to rob. Your kids have going through that whole process but that is where we get the tools. I seem to not have a certain point in my development yeah and when your mother said to you had this like held you up and thought you were this perfect golden child. There's a part of you. It was like <hes> i'm not really basement basement last week and while you're out of town and my drug addiction i kept so perfectly hidden from her but she'll even say this day. She's like i have no idea about swap what was going on the last thing i thought you were doing was smoking crack in the carport of your santa monica apartment well. That's strange. Most people run until their mom right away the mom. Have you tried crack. I mean it is a real pick-me-up where you smoking crack yellow bit only when i couldn't get <hes> powdered guy preferred snort it and then there'd be the point where the dealer would stop answering the phone at four in the morning i'd go to ghost town in my girlfriend's car and then i'd sit in the carport for smoke crack in her car and then walk in at like nine in the morning act like i had been sleeping next to her. I mean just isolation arguments much time you you spend on crack. <hes> probably like you know. Twelve crack benders twelve total like yeah yeah yeah yeah. That's a that's. I will say that's significant significant. I will say the only say this in meetings. I've the only time in my whole all life been high enough as we mean three. My buddy's got some in detroit when i was at home visiting where it's stoplight at like four in the morning. We're passing the pipe around this big hit. Isn't it like passage of the passenger. Look fucking having a heart attack. I'm having a heart attack back here. No one gives a ship smoking crack. They don't care. I'm having the the pipe comes back to me for the first time in my life. I passed it forward on finally high enough. I got here. I'm having a heart attack. Flying lee where i wanna be. I wasn't having a heart attack and i got in on it on the next go around but that was the only moment all my my years of doing stuff there. I'm dying of the heart attack story going to the e._r. The walk of shame out there when you're not having the heart attack okay so let's talk about light of my life in the limited time that i run into you generally when i run into your with your boys i actually will look at you and i kinda go. Oh that's the experience i'd be having if i had two boys instead of two girls. You guys are like shooting baskets. Ask your playing wiffle ball. You're right in that ridiculous pickup truck you have. I'm like oh. This is the boy's life. This is what it would be like. Let me say girls shoot. Baskets ascot's girls girls right dirt bike. Yeah believe me i've set the bar high. I'm just saying it's a very boy existence over in the traditional aw outdated outmoded facet fuck you careful. Yes the dude house over there right. It's it's a dude. <hes> i think i saw a weight bench in the garage all that so like twelve year old boy overall weight bench forty four year old boy it i've got sons and they're both rates fun great company. They love to hang out and do all this things or super into sports at the moment the fucking good looking lookin' boys to really really much better looking than i was at that age not doing great mostly. Moms jeans is a huge relief so i really love being apparent man. It's definitely been the best thing in my whole life and it's the thing that's like always the most fun even when it's incredibly arab league challenging and terrier hair at heart and stuff and i'm already sort of like thinking about them leaving how hard that'll be and but but i hope that they come around more than i go around. My parents probably not even that's the i always think of that. You can't expect them to do more than i'm doing yeah yeah. I wonder if we share this at all where this has been the very first thing i've hung my identity on that is bedrock like when i've thought of myself as a writer writer or a director or an actor. They're all bullshit. They go away. This is the first thing in my life that like i'm proud of in a way that i deserve to feel proud of and it is in an identity worth having that's nice that's nice to like. It's true on the other hand. I think that like my kids kids are who they all the best parts of them all the beautiful parts of them who they are more and more. I see that it's coming out of them and has very little to do with me yet. I feel the same pride that you're talking about and i look at them and when i think important the job is being apparent in how i feel those same ways but i think they'd be fine fine without me or with someone else. You know you raising them. They'd be themselves all. They'd be doing wheelies back there but but you're right. We have to police ourselves. My wife and i were constantly checking each other. It's like it's very tempting to let them. Just fuel your own ego in in that. You'll look for ways they're similar to you and i think you can inadvertently box them in because there's something gratifying about seeing yourself in another being. You know it's like it's it's a very tempting being to focus in on that part of the four year. Old's not afraid of authority from me. We'll constantly remind ourselves like no no. They're an original in matt and just let them show you who they are. Not you know but it's hard and it's tempting. I think i can't imagine anything else in life. That makes you more reflective helps you learn more about yourself and the way that you're talking about about life than having kids you constantly being taught lessons you know and reflecting on your own childhood thinking talking about yourself at that age seeing yourself differently it's given me vote made me both like incredibly self critical and there's no critic louder meaner about me than and i am anything in the world and social media a movie reviews. There's anywhere near as mean about me as i say about myself and still still the the that i have and just sitting there watching them. I think like oh. I feel the worst about things that i've said our mistakes. I've made as a parent that those thing the worst and last the longest and then on the other hand you watch them and you see a little bit of yourself as a kid and you suddenly have more empathy for yourself. You know what i mean and sometimes when i think about what i should do in a certain situation a very hard like a crisis moment. I'm trying to figure out how to handle it. I think what advice would i give to my kid if this were happening to them and i try to get myself that same advice because i know that like i love them more than anything and that that should be the advice tried to give myself and and it's usually like it's okay aero catered. You know what i mean. You made a mistake. You did this or did that or whatever you're okay. Things will be okay like that's the kind of stuff you find. Find yourself saying to your kids true. You believe and you don't want them to feel the way that i feel that you feel that so many people feel about themselves and in that way like pink apparent helps you sort of grow up in yourself and love yourself a little bit more despite all the horrible fucking mistakes you make as a parent. You know you get a tiny bit more empathy with yourself. Yeah i totally agree with that. So when i read about light in my life i was like of course this is the time because my mind goes straight to two. I'm gonna live this whole thing is gonna flip upside down and i'm going to have to live through some horror with my kids and i'm going to have to get them through and that's all on the horizon in i obsess about these things or what i will do to a guy who hits one of my daughters. I can't kill him because i going to prisons knock. I'm working keno all these bizarre scenarios just because that's where my mind goes. Everything's gonna turn to shit yeah so i share this dark daydream scenario building thing my friend goes it future tripping. You know thinking what the future this horrible thing. That's going to happen how i'm gonna deal with it and then none of that is happening. I'm sitting in a room talking to people and that is in some ways like genesis of that movie that this is a movie about a father daughter living on the peripheral the post-apocalyptic society. There's been like a biological kind of apocalypse some outbreak of these kinds of movies outbreaks postpone michael of the movies and i think that i love them because they feel like over one thing. I just like movies. Were there's a huge catastrophe and life goes on general what's appealing about his apocalypse movies is that it's like the worst horrible stuff happens and then life goes on and i also think there's some sort of fantasy i about like stripping ping away the clutter of society and finding something elemental underneath you what really matters so there's that and the other component of it was just the kind of all the dressing the thing that i really really cared about like that. I'd got discovered while i was writing. It was just like parenting. You know it was like in this big science-fiction can seat in this post buckle world but really all the scenes are just like scenes that i've had with my kids about why they have to put the jacket on before they get out or whatever like those small domestic quarrels that happen and me relieving them and then thinking boy. I sat like a real astle. I'm going to go to the computer and write it out. As it's a scene like way of processing at all and suddenly it became like a hundred and twenty pages of a screenplay and then you build in all this other stuff like okay. There was an outbreak. I guess that's why they're living on the outskirts of society and he's trying to protect her from this violent. You know what's become a very violent society and all all those things sort of came in later to give it some other shape and it was a great experience and opinions ski was this girl who found his fantastic so so so good and has amazing presence that goes against everything i say about like anyone can do a job very magnetic agneta and mysterious and could just step in and say any line and you're like wow tell me more you know and yeah that that would be the most stressful part of tackling what you just just tackled is like what young actor is going to be able to do this. That would be very stressful for me. Was that process easy yup. We looked all over eighty. Coffin was the casting director and she just kept endlessly sending tape so patient and at the tiny movies are no money pani won. All these people just did this work kind of for nothing and finally we found and <hes> anaheim issues canadian which made easy because we had to shoot and canada but i do think that like any of the girls that were the finalists these little kids. They also would have been fantastic. It was just there. There was something about anna a combination of the right age and looking a little bit like me. You know those things so well <hes> k._c. First time i think i guess has ever walked here very very exciting to have you. When is light of my life come out. It comes out for an audience of three on august ninth. Okay well. The monica and i will be two of those three sorry. Can you see door. You were neighbors. I and i intend on staying here for a while. Are you gonna stay for a while. Okay greg's love me the police now if i ever yell merry christmas eh yeah it's coming from a beautiful genuine place of wanting to connect with you and be friends with you likewise. Thank you okay google with your movie. Thank you very much. Thanks so we just finished and then we started talking about the complexity of your situation and we thought there was lawrenson. May-maybe maybe more to say very very complicated situation because you don't want to in any way appear to not being supportive of the me too movement of course. I can't imagine who who would not be supportive of the metoo movement. I mean on some level. You have to say like that. That's an idea that's out there that there are people saying like we do not believe in equality and we think the workplace should be a dangerous place for for some people and not for others and that's preposterous in but it is very very hard to talk about and it scares me mostly because the values values of the metoo movement our values that are like at this horror of my being just the way i was raised their baked into my own value system having been raised by a mother who's like didn't let us watch dukes of hazzard when we were like eight years old because it was sexist you know so it's really been <hes> the way that i thought of by sometimes by certain people recently. It's been so as to like who i really am that it's been frustrating and not being able to talk about it has been hard because we really wanted to to support all of that but i felt felt like the best thing to do was just be quiet so that i didn't seem to be an opposition to something that i really wanted to champion the yeah. I was gonna say he he basically here are the options on the table for you. So you do a movie. You get sued by two of the women in the movie that the place was inappropriate and your options our our to go. Those two people are lying in which case. You seem like you're trying to silence victims. That's like rhys number one right so defend yourself and go now now. That's not how i remember that whole thing going down so option one is you defend yourself in you appear to be silencing victims. That's shitty option number two is you you acknowledged that while the workplace that you were the boss of was not a great workplace by today's standards for sure and maybe not <unk> by two thousand ten standards either or at the tail end of when doing drugs on that would be cool. You can say look the work. Environment wasn't ideal. I wouldn't do that again. Uh i in no way was doing weird sexual stuff. I mean that's ideally what you would want to save and then number three is use it nor it and then in your silence us seem guilty and maybe shame ridden and then let me add in the component of by talking about it. Are you fueling more conversation on it. Are you adding oxygen into the fire or if you just be quiet everyone eventually get over it. So those aren't great options it was it's a tough spot to be in especially if you really do appreciate and want to be a support of of the side that seems angriest and anger is being directed at you and i sort of decided we'll. I'll just stay quiet for you know mostly. I've talked about it a little bit to honor that like okay this is someone else's experience of this and and it is not my experience but i you have to respect that someone else had an experience and take that to heart and allow for it to be as possible as your memory of that experience experience you know and i've also wanted to try to make certain delineations between because i think that most people don't really care to look at details of things and they go so suddenly your name is being mentioned in a group of people who again i have been a jew and <hes> we were asked. Hey do you guys want casey and i'm like absolutely i love casey. He's my neighbor and i was like oh wait. Doesn't he have a me too thing. I better find out what the me too thing is before we give him a quote platform and then i read about it was like okay. That's a little different front than what. I assumed it to be so i myself who know you am neighbors with. You only knew that there was a halo around. You and i didn't even know what that is and so i can't imagine everyone knows what it is but they just hear rumblings and then they just categorize which is maybe unfair. I i think on the one hand it's like a sweeping judgment and on the other hand. There's been a lot of talk about you know. Can we even make these kinds of distinctions between the worst case is and what is perceived as the tamest examples of it and i think that there's some truth in that you know of that like it isn't about oh well. This isn't so bad and that's that's a really horrible. It's that it is systemic. It is an accepted culturally at its tamest station of it and that's the worst and it all needs is to be turned on its head radically aided not allowed for right and that kind of like lightning bolts. I think is effective. We have this homework room in my house so the kids like do their homework. They're never in it on. The wall is put up these speeches. My oldest son is studying american history and i put the speech up from frederick douglass and and it's the one of the best and it's what to the slave is the fourth of july. It's called. There's something what does whoa. What is the fourth of july to the slaves. It's unbelievable and it's basically like what is this this holiday to to the slave and he says this is. I'm paraphrasing and not doing a justice but it's like this is not a time to be moderate in our dialogue dia logue about things. This is a time fire and lightning and in some ways there was a moment of whereas it had to be fired lightning there is like justifiable absolute outrage at breaking long standing injustices that everyone thought was okay and anybody who was benefiting from <hes> a system that favored men white man center in wasn't kicking and screaming and doing a whole lot about it wasn't doing enough <hes> was to blame needs to apologize is needs to acknowledge it needs to shut up and let other people do the talking do the correct thing and bring justice to bear so like in general all that sort of what i wanted to support of and allowed to happen. Does it mean no one really seemed to care to look into the details. You know <hes> well. They were coming so fast. It was almost impossible to keep up with the day luge of different things that were coming up. You know to be honest. It was like who had taught you read a headline and you kept it moving right right to the next person and the next thing and the next horrible example of how your industry had been pretty gross it is and remains kind of an ugly difficult painful period of in this you know in our in this community and in the industry and in the culture in general and so for me it was pretty very hard to sit by for years and feel like even by people who i really liked and respected didn't know me sort of feel like piling on a little bit and to have to explain playing it to people that i i know and love who even if they say like. Did you kidding me doing to explain this. I know who you are still feel compelled to do. Well a couple of the women that were on the set did did come out and we're vocally supportive of you. Completely inconsistent with what i observed that's right and they run great risk to that is a risky proposition for you're a d a defender or a supporter of someone when you believe in someone so that didn't come without risks. I'm sure them it didn't and that was very nice of them and i appreciate appreciate that and i think that it was true or they wouldn't have said on the other hand. I think that like the lesson that i had to learn and be humble about was i was the producer i was technically the boss and having a set <hes> that i didn't even know i was on the set. I was making a kind of a quote unquote home movie with a friend that grew and grew and grew there was a ton of partying because that was the content of this stock use at times documentary at times mockumentary and it so it was your recording everything regarding going everything it's not. It's not a clear cut undertaking from the get it was confusing for everybody and it was deliberately so and that's my responsibility <hes> the intention was to have the the crew is a part of the movie. I don't know how much they knew. They were a part of the movie and and i had fun i had my dad play joaquin's father father in the movie and he didn't really know exactly what was going on now and <hes> so it it was a big mass and it was not something that i would do again. I really wouldn't i would be way smarter more sensible more sensitive to it being a workplace if i were to try to do this again and i think that like you can't can't change the world if you don't let the world change you. I don't pretend to be changing the world in any way but i mean like you aren't going to change the world opinion view. You aren't gonna make anything good or put it into the world in a meaningful way. If you're just set on transmit you gotta be on received sometimes yeah. You got to be open to people saying like no man. You're not hearing us. That was out of control. Oh yeah right a movie set that way. That was wrong. I don't think having not been got her been there. I don't think any your options are good. I don't think there's an easy way out of any of this. I think it's super unfortunate in <hes> monica gimme a female perspective yeah <hes> um well all the things that have been popping into my head are all get in trouble but but there is a component to this conversation to this whole conversation that we don't like addressing but that is true which is that sometimes times. Women are telling the truth so again. This gets tricky because you don't want to victim blame and you don't want to ever ever make. It seem like we shouldn't be listening to people but i'm a woman and i've lied like we're capable of doing that and i think sometimes that's missing in some of these conversations the nuances gone. It's just this person's right that person's wrong. That's it the end and i wish that we could look at these things with a tiny bit more nuance and i mean every situation is is very complicated any interaction with anyone. There's a hundred billion things things going on and i think everyone can relate to that so i wish it would get disseminated and kind of projected onto some of these bigger conversations. Obviously i'm a huge supporter quarter. Obviously of women and i shouldn't say obviously actually because that's maybe a problem to where everyone's like. Maybe you gotta say it. Sometimes i support this. Yeah yeah 'cause tricky statistics that came out during the last election is like people couldn't really figure out like how earth could such a large percentage of women lemon have voted for him and not her but that seems very there's a lot of cognitive dissonance there like how how and then someone pointed out like statistically white women are benefiting from the white male patriarchy they're married to a guy who is bringing down a shitload of money and they're actually benefiting from this fucked up system so they were voting in their interests trusts which is crazy counterintuitive to what i would think. A female would want to vote for but you know you gotta acknowledge like well. Some people are winning by this system and they're incentivized to perpetuate this bizarre way. It's almost anti-feminist to say like the woman won't lie like they're human like any other person and everything's complicated and you made a really good point and it's like very compassionate and big of you to say say it's easy to be entrenched inched in your own point of view this sort of gender politics you know but i i wouldn't say that it's helpful to say that well women lie or to to approach approach. The argument from a point of view of who's lying actually doesn't help. It's sort of like when your kids are fighting and they're both saying other lying and you don't wanna inherit. I'm sure that you both might think the other person's lying like. I don't think either one of us fully lying like you if we talked about this for five hours i in separately in your rooms and your calm down. You would probably admit like okay he yes. He didn't throw the ball at me. I but i don't want to spend five hours talking about this and what really matters is that you guys resolve this in a way without hitting each other and calling each other liars. It's not really the most host important part of our women seventy cents on the dollar. Are women constantly giving them out in a shit at work are men believed over women and promoted over women all that stuff and our screenplays written with male leads in with just like on and on and on one hundred percent that's really what the is important and what has has to change and i think is changing like regardless of how much definitely regardless of what i sit here and say but like regardless of what all the talk and and all the chatter like that shift is happening and the next generation of kids coming up like a giant tidal wave i think are gonna sue weep through and make all all of those social changes and like the the n._r._a. You know didn't possible for my generation to dismantle next generation is just gonna be like you're gone yeah and the idea of having a gay president. It's going to be like not even a topic or having a female president. Maybe we'll happen right now especially because he's from massachusetts where all great things originating <hes> but i i think that that i tried to remember should be the focus yeah so anyways all all i can thank you for telling me your truth in your experience i again i i <hes> i can't imagine because even we you were even subtly doing it. In the first round which is well. There has to be a path to forgiveness and if i'm casey i'm going hold on though i don't need to be forgiven about that. I probably need to be forgiven about having a fucking bonkers works at trump. Did you want me to someone who admits faults like us. Sit that here for seven hours and go through my life and talk about the mistakes. I've made the mean thing. I said to this person or that person or the way there's a thousand endless list of things that that i can go like. I wish i hadn't done that. That was a mistake or you know for sure but i but you're right you know even the way we were framing. It was like inadvertently forcing seen him to kind of admit guilt yeah even by saying people should be forgiven. It's fucking complicated and there's such a there's such gotcha incentive to draw a conclusion which is frustrating when i don't know that there's conclusions to be drawn but i think for you personally. You do want want closer to this this chapter of your life. You must desperately want closure. I don't know if you ever get closure on things. I constantly revisit things for my life. My past that are twenty years old and that you know relationships i had or things that i think about them and turn them over in my mind and i grind everything pretty fine and i use usually looking for evidence of what a jerk was or some other. That's what mistake did. I make you know that's that's my kind of default setting setting closure you know until you finally puncher the big clock. Just keep going and you sort of shapes who you are and everybody everybody in life has like gigantic challenges intriguing tragedies and i think they won't get through them and they keep going and life goes on the challenges of this. Don't really compare to those that i mean i've seen people have dealt with been dealt much worse hands. There's about a million block guys in prison right now. They didn't commit the crime. They're serving time for so yeah. I think goes without saying yeah. There's there's much worse plights or crosses to bear yeah. Thanks discuss yeah thank you and now my favorite part of the show the fact check with my somatic batman they they don't do that. Sorry like b boxing. I don't think so but what about when justin timberlake did it pump pump or dome. This is what if you weird al yankovic could redone that song boom boom boom boom boom boom can't can't resist stop. We'll just to make a toot sound inside inside of <hes> what is wrong. Is that senior pastor left now. It's <hes> one amino mining yeah. <hes> it rock your body body rock your body rock that body yeah we're gonna rock are facts. I really love him an- anna kendrick singing that song from trolls oh you do oh yeah you remember this but years ago with anna kendrick and justin timberlake sang true colors oh yeah the famous cyndi lauper song yes and they did it like in canada in front of them and then i watched it on youtube and then i was watching it over and over again. It was working at u._c. c._b._s. The time and i was watching it and then you came to visit interrupted my watching go sorry oh yeah <hes> i think anna kendrick has one of the best voices i've ever heard all really. I love one of the best of the sound of her voice to get her buns in here into. Maybe she sang if you're listening. I'd like to do wet with you. I would not allow that she can. I'm just saying for us and brighten our day. Okay boy and that's your official invite yeah and then good transition because she did a movie with my boyfriend. Benjamin yeah the account yes. She did that movie and a little baby. Bro is on our show today today yeah yeah and he was great. I thought yeah me too. It's it's funny interview a neighbor true. Everyone should do a knock on their neighbors door. Yes stop push pause right now. Get over to your neighbors house. Alvar see what's cooking upstairs in their brain fog. You never know stories no way you can learn. <hes> okay casey's. This was an interesting episode for us was during our last section when we picked this back up up. I said something that i was gonna cut me. I was like this that doesn't make me sound great or does maybe sound victim victim blaming a little bit i mean not even sore it could be constructed a negative way by a lot of people and it was going to cut it out but but i didn't because he sort of steps in and basically says exactly why what i said it is not incorrect but really not even worth saying <hes> i left that because i you know i want people to hear that he was not. I'm doing it based on talking points or something like he believes the things he saying about being on the side of this movement yup every time we talked about anything i feel like it was very obvious to me that his compass for these things is pointed north yeah and and i wanted to leave those in because i wanted people to hear he's not like just trying to sell something. This is just in him. <hes> yeah are believed that so that's why left that just definitely i am probably gonna get in some trouble. That's okay we can then. We can get in trouble. Take it. It's just a tricky thing very tricky. I liked him a lot me too yeah. I'm glad he came in so he said that we have seventy two different selections for gender on facebook now in two thousand fourteen there were fifty eight genders and then i did see on some forums that it was saying it was like two thousand eighteen forum or somebody was like why are there seventy-one d one genders on facebook so maybe now there are seventy one but there were fifty eight then they're being seventy. One doesn't seem like a huge stretch. I i agree yeah yeah but i couldn't find that exact stat right unfortunately <hes> but we know for sure was at least fifty eight in two thousand fifteen eighteen fourteen two thousand fourteen five years ago. Oh wow they're really kind of ahead of the curve was thinking yeah. I would like to read what those say. I'll i'll pull it up. This is the list agenda or a gender andhra jan androgynous <hes> by gender cicis gender says female female male since man. This woman sis gender female. Sis gender mouse's gender man's gender woman female to male f._t. Am <hes> gender gender fluid gender non conforming gender questioning gender variant gender queer intersex male to female mt f if neither neutrals any u. t. r. o. s. trust. That's right nutritious. Non non binary other pan gender trans trans trans female trans female. There's a lot of duplicates trans male trans male trans man trans man trans person trans person trans woman trans woman trans feminine transgender transgender female to spirit. I saw that what on what is that one. I don't know i i assume both spirit of a female and a male yeah all right well. That's a lot outta the list lots. It's it is interesting though that it makes you start when you start looking at the list here like what am i i mean i i have been idea in my head of like oh i would just i would pick woman but then female or female yeah. It didn't seem like they had that they had like woman and man that was in there yeah. They were using all of it. Okay so yeah i would pick that and but then you're looking and it's like well. There's so many like there's no way i'm just regular l. woman right that makes you think great. I could care less what anyone wants to call themselves. They tell me what they wanna. Be called. I'm happy happy to call them that yeah. Whatever makes people feel more comfortable. I'm down with gray. Yeah that's good. He talks about going to mexico for year. <music> does mom ten or eleven yeah because his mom was the basically onset teacher for that show and i knew that the show was talking about was the voyage of the mimi you did why because you watched it now because i know everything about ben oh right on a show called voyage of the mimi when he was little owns a little boy yeah but i kept it to myself that i knew you played a real cool. Thanks and i didn't i never put you on blast yeah a wanted to and that he didn't but i didn't thank as you watch that show and fifth grade. It's educational program. You do remember ben as an actor on moore. There's an episode where or he got hypothermia someone day and they had to get oh. Oh wow bag monica. You gotta get this episode so i shouldn't. I don't think there was nudity. It okay ooh. That's an interesting question. But what if your wife says i have pictures of me when i was seventeen naked oh seventeen sixteen or your husband or your husband your husband's like i got pictures of myself when i was sixteen naked. Do you want to see them. This is good. I guess is like a thought experiment. Yeah okay yeah. I probably wanna see but then also. I don't think i'd be attracted to it. I i would be like oh this. Is you and your old peanut. I'm not talking about a baby photo. I'm talking like fifteen and above hair on the pena's us penises. It's full size. I know but i just mean anyone anyone teenager or even young twenty s to be honest at this point i look at it as like doc young young young person not in the realm of like actual attraction okay because they're not an actual possibility ability right. Well look. I've never been in the situation where christina's said i have these pictures of myself at sixteen naked yeah but i guess i would probably be <hes>. It's a kid you wouldn't be like a. I don't think you'd be attracted to you. It's hard to know though because i'm attracted to the person yeah the test jonathan height to do that as a thought ix in his whether the morals of that because that person isn't a minor now right. I guess it depends on the age. I feel like this is almost been something that's come up. Maybe i just dreamt it up but that someone put pictures of themselves out that were nude and they were a minor now. Is that child child pornography. If you yourself put up pictures of yourself yeah. Is that child pornography. I think so because if people are going to use it it to jack off what i want but that just makes me question is the the premise of our laws that we'll want anyone to jack off to an image of a young person or is it. We don't want that because those images have to be taken to fuel that industry strea- and so you're gonna victimize children but if you took the photograph when you're fifteen in you own it and then you want to release it when you're forty it doesn't have the same implicit implicit victimised. Is it illegal to masturbate thinking of young people. I think your not the victim in that scenario mary with you're putting it out but you're definitely contributing to the larger problem and to victims who are putting it out right villages how we create a <hes> a theoretical society okay where everyone takes photographs of themselves when they're teenagers naked and then eh some age they decide whether or not to release them and there's no photos being taken of any minor by somebody for that reason. Is it okay then. There's no victims is where it becomes a good philosophically and and it's so far out of like you they are they will be there will be victims as soon as people start liking that will but if a steady supply exists <music> of adults publishing their photos in in this utopian society. It's impossible to get kids nude and take pictures. There's of them in that case if there's no victim which we degree there's no victim the adults then we can drill l. down on. What's what are we legislating is. Are we saying it's illegal to fantasize about pictures taken twenty years ago a against children as atta legal or just victimizing children as illegal <hes> yeah i mean i think it's that victimizing children is illegal bowl when we agree on that see. It's probably not illegal but the fantasy leads to these other things in real life in this a scenario. I guess who no sign but it's not it's actually not so. It's like oh. This is such a weird appeared thought experiment because it's just finding a way to say it's fine and the reality of the world at all nor is going a european paean vacation with your sister and then having sex with her in the jonathan height experiment thought experiment there. That's not realistic either but it's a fun way to but the point that is realistic brother and sister could go in this current world. We live in and go do that they could but i don't think it's happening yeah but but still the the parameters of our reality are the same of the reality in this scenario are not the same because it's a world where no kid can be a victim on yeah but but i mean i think the big question is is fantasy illegal right. That's right of course fantasies not illegal. I can sit around and fantasize about cutting people up and all that that's not illegal but now if i acquire photographs <hes> of part of my fantasy now is battling zooming again at the photos themselves aren't only because it's only adults turning lean over photos of themselves right so the materials not illegal. We <hes> conventional way yeah. I think it's like it starts becoming legal goal when steps are being taken me. This is like errands cannibals yeah cannibal cop early car dot cannibal corpse the band cannibal cop cop the documentary about the police officer who was fantasize about cutting up his wife and eating or eating out and he was talking about it on chat out rooms and stuff. It's a yeah this this whole thing is so so tricky because yeah it's like not illegal not illegal until he kills her and eat sir. Everyone goes everyone's like he told people people he was going to do it. <hes> we're such idiots to have allowed someone that the ability to just continue on like nor would i did buy into the argument of the defense which is stephen king is sitting in room thinking of the most horrific things he might even be ordering torture devices so that he can see mechanically how they work when he's gonna write about them so there's like it's it's where he's not. He's not presenting it out loud to other people as plotting what if he writes it in first person and all this stuff parallels is real life still legal and encouraged yeah you know this is why life's funders. There's a lot of stuff that is not easy to pick an opinion on yeah. That's fun as the most of our dinner. Conversations are about trying to pinpoint something that's dicey. That's all of our dinner conversations. Who would he do. Who's the most likely person to eat someone in our friendship circle. Oh that's a good question <hes> because we played. Who will you think me yeah. Wow likely to do all the bad stuff way i i. I was on board with that. I was most likely to have murdered somebody but eat them now. I'm gonna i'm gonna pick wabc. It's definitely liam acquired or person who eats people not really so. You're going to get a phone call in the future and inside they're gonna say is detective stony brook from the memphis office over. We have everyone's number one of your friends. <hes> consumed another human being. We've got the my cannibalism herbalism charges and rob hollis. No couldn't have been rob. Oh you're right. It was dax shepard. That's all that's right. That's sorry that's sounds no way it's always a quieter person no because in order to eat them you have to murder them first and you're excited excited about being the person that murders defending my family so you like that about yourself which is a big yellow <music> as a red flag and so yeah. I think he'd be like you know what i just got this. Hold on hold that note. They look tastebuds. That's where you've lost me as completely lost me as i have a fantasy about ending a real bad guys life who's threatening my loved. Ones thing is bad dies. Will there are jeffrey dahmer and stuff well be. I don't believe in evil in general saying yeah. I can't believe you think i would that. I would be the most likely eat somebody charlie wood smoke somebody before i would and i mean smoking mike now. He's literally yes. He put them in a smoker. I think before i would don't you agree. He could convince himself. It was like <hes> superfood for working out. That's true but i i. I don't think he would do the murdering part. Okay okay so is the body already dead as could be a new a new a new plot point. Is that is miss patterson. Is this clark finkelstein from the tennessee state police. One of your acquaintances found a <hes> a accordance apparently it had fallen out of a hearse okay and <hes> apparently he originally did pick up the casket with the intention of returning to the funeral parlour. Uh in fact ended up taking it home and smoking in a smoke is. Do you have any friends that you can imagine that this happened to you. Want anyone. Jump out at you. Yes well. Do we know if it was cooked. Well was delicious all that were left with the bones so we're inclined to think it was. It was good because i do have a friend who is an expert at smoking. Oh me charlie curtis. It is okay good. We have our gate. That's open and shut case. I wanna go back because the person that's dead was dax shepard around at any point because i have a feeling that that person's dead based on his hand. No ma'am that the the person died of a coronary episode of heart attacks. The age of fifty wants you to think oh okay well. We'll look into him for sure but just to clear up up this case of cannibalism or you do feel good about the fact that it's charlie hurt us okay. Let's see then we did it. I think you would eat somebody if like it got down to brass tacks in nebraska tax negotiating something in a binder i do think you would. I think in a brass asked tax situation or here's a hypothetical so you know there are companies that are dedicated to growing meat on its own growing up tenderloin in a lab lab right. I forget the name of the company. Sam talks about so. Let's say that they grew but cheek human but she can lab and then that was offered offered at a restaurant. Take a bite of that c. Would you know you want now. Why there's no episodes dilemma there. I i mean other than i learned that primates tastes rubber bandy do pinnock <hes> first of all yet that seems like it's not gonna taste good second lame and mainly this but she no not her but but they we clone her butt cheek i would i would not eat it. I might use it as is like who's balls no no so this is similar to the porn thing. It's like yeah. There's no ethical michael problem. It's not a real persons but but if we start making this open to the world and people like it and then they like the taste instead of human this is going to lead to big problems will this is where you and i disagree fundamentally. If facts are weaponized should we ignore fax accesible fear when facts get out that they could be weaponized by either side the left or the right common thing that people will hide facts because they're afraid they're going to be weaponized. I never really agree okay with that and similarly you're saying it's not unethical to eat a but she grown in the lab. Obviously there's no suffering induced by eating at a great now your fear that people will get so addicted to the taste of human flesh murdering people that your fear of that being weaponized basically yeah and i just think you can't not do things 'cause you think people will obscure it in a way that makes it bad you you know yeah i disagree near good yeah yeah i mean look at our phones and our social media and all of that stuff that has turned into a big ethical dilemma lemon now because humans don't know how to handle things responsibly so originally designed not to originally they weren't just flip phones owns a lot of guys you vince vaughn anyway so no i don't think and i do. I wish that we still had flip phones. I do <hes> yeah so i don't know how they'd listen to podcasts. Though we'd be job yeah oh you know. He said something that i've never heard before oh and of course a here million things i've never heard before but it feels like feels rare where it kind of feels rare when somebody's like presenting something perfectly new to you yet so far absolutely yeah what was that thing. I don't wanna make could seem like i've heard everything in the whole world and no no no you don't know right <hes> but he said that he heard good people dream green about being bad and bad people dream about being good. Oh yeah. I had never heard that was really interested in you. Make it up doing research save other people no. I didn't look it up okay but that like that thought yeah. Let's just keep that thought yeah so it means. I'm good right. You were talking about kids and how attempting it is to see yourself in your kids. How it's it feels good to think like oh. She got that from me or like me. I think that's so ironic because kids have the opposite feeling towards their parents. Oh yeah you don't want to via socieity parents love doing that to their kids or they get like pride in. It and kids do not get pride in in it. They get like joy. I agree we largely agree with you but i have had friends who like really idolize their dad and they did want to hear that. They were just like big. Jim just like big jim right yeah you know yeah. I guess it's all like how much and i guess i liked when people said i was like my mom i mean the fact is blazingly zeneli obvious as i am a carbon copy of my father so that's probably why you like it when they say you're like your mom because you feel like you want it to be true. You don't want to be like my mom not my dad but in fact i'm almost identical to my dad but you're not your own person yeah yeah but i i don't ever want to be. He told that i'm just like my mom just like my dad and having nothing to do with their personalities when you hear them talk is there. Is there consensus over over which one of them you take after when you hear them. Talk them talk about me <hes> they don't do that though you're momma's and go like you're just like your dad. I've never heard i ther of them. Say that about me or my brother actually except in looks we'll talk about like the physical thing nature's correct okay. Not the personalities evan spoke with your mother enough because your dad and i suck up all the oxygen in a room. That's right yes yes. Oh it's our fault but it appears to me are very similar to your dad. E-eh loves the debate. There's nothing you and i have the same disease there. There isn't a topic. We don't have an opinion. I mean there's nothing some good bring up that wouldn't interest us in taking a stab at our opinion on it yeah a lot of people which is great great. This don't give a fucker they don't. I don't know who cares yeah. That seems kind of healthy. It does it does but i don't think either. My parents have that they. They both have an opinion on time. I love it yeah. My dad is different than my mom in the fact the she believes what she saying right like she believes it my dad sometimes i don't think he does. He's just doing it because it's a sit yes that it's interesting interesting to give the opposite opinion in like double down on that damage like <hes> a few but not i don't think do i do. I do really yeah and how you've kind of. Force yourself to make the other argument or you attempt to yeah. I think it's a great habit for people to have that's to really force yourself to make that argument. It's very hard sometimes yeah but anytime it's like a big group of people that feel certain way it's like they can't all be crazy easy they. They must be latching onto some value or virtue that i too believe and i just got to connect the dots correctly to get my mind straight about what they're actually arguing yeah. I just think it's a fun exercise yeah i do. I guess you do crossword so maybe we don't need to do that exercise but i don't do crossword so i have to have an exercise like that anyway okay. That's all all right. I love you. I love you yeah.

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Repodcasting 16  Manchester By the Sea

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Repodcasting 16 Manchester By the Sea

"Casting is a prime member of the L Berta podcast network. Powered by a t b. Had you ever watched the movie in wondered why the cast that will man or that guy? Here's our chance to give it a try re podcasting. Hello and welcome to another episode of replied casting. I'm lucia. And today, we are in an actual studio will see how this works out. Hopefully, it'll sound okay? Oh, sorry. That's true. I'm not. Yeah. That's true, but we do have the phone lined up to a professional, Mike. So hopefully, we'll both sound great. Like super this whole repot casting situation is like super high tech. Maybe we shouldn't have meant that actually, I don't know. Into the, the details of our technical stuff. You'll see later on though, 'cause we will have quote unquote technical difficulties. Okay. So today, we're concluding our series, actually of Janet aptly named give me your Oscar Perv. I didn't even say hi to you. I. Oh yeah, we're talking about. This is our last. Last episode in this series of give me your Oskar perved and hopefully no new information comes out meaning that there is no new information. Not meaning that I hope it stays hidden. And we're talking to be about the person who inspired this whole series descends. I'm excited for this. Well, you did a nice amount of research for this. I can't wait to hear what you have to say. So we're re-casting Manchester by the sea, where we Cussing Casey Affleck, specifically, now we did mention I think, in our Rainman episode that it was Casey Affleck, who inspired the series because we were pretty bummed out that he was winning all the awards in the year that Manchester by the sea came out, and then he ended up winning the Oscar. And you know there have been allegations against him for some pretty bad sexual misconduct. So, yeah, give us your Oscar Perv. When you go to keep the Affleck's house and just be like give me your Oscar. For league. I don't know if, if you even know this, but like I really dislike Casey Affleck, with I think I dislike him more than I dislike Kevin Spacey. Casey Affleck is like actually never Casey Affleck. And Ben Affleck or like my mortal enemies. Just don't know it. Oh me. But yeah, Casey Affleck really gets on my nerves. So let's just dive right in and start retargeting this. So we wanna talk do you wanna do it synopsis if you want, you can do the box office, I okay, let's do box office, the budget for this movie was nine million dollars, which, you know, it's like a nice little sum for when you think that it was considered like an independent film, because this went to Sunday. Yeah. Sorry. Difficulties. Just for anyone who's listening and for you choose like we're having a storm here in Toronto. So hopefully, we don't get cut out so, yes, so this movie Manchester by the winch to Sundance and just like a sort of a side or whatever he got scoop jobs for like ten million dollars by Amazon, which was like. It was a big deal because it was considered like an independent shell brain so ten million fridge to be sold for ten million is. There's a lot of money. I thought this was the first Amazon film to be nominated for an Oscar and then to win as well. Okay. So it went on to do a box office of seventy nine million dollars. Well, which is it's impressive. Yeah, I think that's pretty good considering considering all kinds of things that's very impressive. And just quickly this was written and directed by tennis Monir gin and for the Oscars like at won the best actor Oscar and it also won best original screenplay. Yeah. And then the synopsis of this movie is a depressed ankle is asked to take care of his teenage nephew after the boy's father dies. So this is a bummer of a movie, and it tells you right there in the description. Actually, I want to ask you, because you and I have not discussed this movie at all. What did you like what did you enjoy? Did you like? I think in joyous definitely the wrong word, I would not say I enjoyed it. I. I think that it is not a bad movie. I also think that it's maybe not for me. Yeah. I don't know. It's, you know, it's honestly, that's a really simple question, but it's really hard for me to answer in this case. I don't know if liked it. Yeah. How about you? I liked it. I thought it was very well done. I did. And I thought that it was a very realistic portrayal of what grief looks like like it really? That's where I thought that it this movie released shines, and that it's it was very real. And I think that's why the screenplay like screenplay is very good absoulutely, like I think she deserved to win the Oscar for the screenplay because I thought the screenplay was brilliant. And I thought that it was it was just a very real portrayal of grief. So I really appreciated that part of the movie and I thought the cinematography was beautiful as well. I thought they did a really good job on lake shooting it or like just the whole look of it. I thought it was it was very well done. I am as soon as finished the movie I thought, what lake this guy, the hero, quote unquote of the movie had. No. It kind of felt in the moment that he didn't have much of a journey like at the end. He still felt pretty similar to at the beginning. There were some small changes but nothing major. But then as I thought about it like because now it's been probably about a week since I watched it. And I mean it now that it sat with me for a little bit. I agree with you. That, that was a very real portrayal of brief initially, I guess I was just expecting, you know, a movie and that movies aren't necessarily like real life as what I, I was really, really annoyed. But yet that part of it, I think it did really well. Pay an that. Why like I felt that it was very real portrayal because I think what happens with a lot of movies, as they get super Hollywood is great, you, always, expect they're not necessarily to be a happy ending. But you expect lake the, the main character, especially in a movie like this task, some sort of personal growth or some sort of catharsis rate, and he doesn't, and that's where I felt that it really rang true because I think for some people like we're not. Maybe we can go into it. I don't wanna do too many spoilers. But. Wants his maybe before listening to this episode. Yeah. The movie is also two years old. Like I feel like wanted people have seen it. But, you know, he's a very he's a shell of a human being, and she has suffered this sort of horrendous tragedy in his life, and it's like an abyss Agnes grief, and he doesn't come back from it. And that's where I thought felt that it was very real. Because Israel there that happens to people, sometimes these suffer some, whether it be grief or some sort of other extreme life experience and not everybody grows. Some people like get stuck in it and never come back from it. So that's where I felt that the movie and the screenplay were very real. I appreciate it that in considering exactly what he had been through. I think it would not make sense for him to late come out in the. Unlike okay things are okay, now I'm fine. A lot of these like try to Hollywood is things like everything's okay. In the end you see this person, like reach some sort of breakthrough in their lives that doesn't happen for everyone. Full. Let's get into dirt. We want to is there anything else. You wanna talk about before we start recasting, please. Go ahead. Oh, do you want me to go first? I think you should. You like this was your idea this whole nearly. So I definitely think that you should have the honor of going. I so I am also not a pin of Casey Affleck at all never have been. I don't think he does anything impressive, I've never seen him do anything impressive onscreen. So when I first started trying to recast this, I was like, okay, well, let's try to think of, you know, people who are about the same age, and I started looking at lists, and I was like initially, I think I had a list of, like fifteen people who I think, would be better than Casey Affleck in Israel. That's so good. I was like this person better this person better. So I had to narrow that down. And I don't know how many you'll let me say I've narrowed it down to let's say four or five. Okay. Okay. So my first one is Adrian Brodie from the pianist and grip the best hotel midnight in Paris. He you know, initially when I thought of him, I thought that I don't know if he really fits the pert physically in terms of just what I was picturing, or assuming. But then one thing that I think he does really well is he can do a lot with his face without speaking. I thought you were going to say it can do a really good Boston. That is the only requirement. Yeah. I know I think that he I think he can show a lot in a mode allied. And so I really felt that I wanted to watch him do this part. So that's why I landed on him as my number one choice. And then, so the second choice was what came Phoenix from her. From walk the line. I think kind of he may be in terms of, again, just what I was picturing, because, you know, actual physical description of this character walking Phoenix, I think actually fits physically a little bit better. What I was imagining and he's great in everything he does. Like he really is. He really puts everything into his role. Let's say so I think that he could have really done something special with this as well. Interrupt you for that. The I, I agree with you. I think watching Phoenix would actually be better than Adrian Brodie. I can't picture Adrian Brodie in this role and I'm trying really hard. But I can't like I could see what keeps Phoenix chewing, it, definitely. I'd see let it sit with you for a bit. Because admittedly, like for me, it was when that grew on me, it was a twice Becker on me, and who knows. Maybe you'll never. That's fine. Then my next one is. I don't know if you'll know who this is or if anyone will know who this is listening, Kyle Kinane. He's a comedian. You know how so often when a comedian does a dramatic role. They just knock it out of the park, and I feel it calc named does have kind of a I don't know, like a darker, or a sadder undertone. I don't like I feel I don't want to insult him or anything, but I do feel like he could really. I bet he would really play this role very well. But where what we know this guy. Oh, sorry. Yes. Of course, he wasn't funny people in the house. And in the TV show, the Netflix show love, he had a couple of episodes in that. But he like, honestly I feel like you'd know him from stand up because I kind of went through his IMDB in there wasn't a lot, where I feel like a lot of people would recognize him. So. I, I would have to Google him. I, I don't even know his name I've never heard of them. Okay. Well, anybody listening, Google Kyle Kinane and watch it watch like a little bit of his stand up and, and then trying to picture it because I think you'd be really good. Okay. And then my fourth choice is Ryan Gosling. I yeah, who I also think is one of those actors who can do so much without speaking. And he's shown in quite a few of our so. Yeah, he would be amazing in this role. And then my last one is someone who also, I think, does the face acting, I'll call it really well is Jake. Jillian hall. Yes. Oh, those are. Yeah. I'm not seeing. I don't know. Like a can't I think working Phoenix is my favorite one that you well, obviously, like like Ryan Gosling in all of course. But yeah. Like I can't see Adrian Brodie doing this rule. I don't know. To picture him doing. You've seen the pianist, right? I thought you had I just wasn't positive. Oh course. Yeah. I've seen a lot of this work. Well, I know you don't watch peaky blinders. But that's what he did. I think most recently or at least what he's best known for recently. He did a season of peaky blinders. He played Luke Trinka. He was so good on it. Yeah. He was amazing. I still watch this show. Yeah. I you won't like it. Oh. I don't think you'll enjoy it, but it's a great show like yes. So good. So. Yeah, those are my five picks, and I won't mention the other like seven that I have Newtonian honor. Before. I start with my choices we should probably just mention who Casey Affleck was up against not year for Dr. I just want to mention it, so he was up against Ryan Gosling for LA La Land. And then there was Andrew Garfield for Hacksaw Ridge, Denzel Washington, for fences who I actually thought was going to win the Oscar because he wanted to say award that here as well. And then eagle Mortenson was nominated that year as well. Ten tested her captain fantastic. Which I have not seen yet. I like to. Yeah, I know I heard it's really good. I have to watch that. But, like that's the thing you know, you look at all those actors and you just think out of all those actors as the Aflac now has an Oscar you into honest like listening, not just those actors, but those actors in those roles I haven't seen Hacksaw Ridge, but I saw the rest of them to me. Casey Affleck is literally, the fifth choice of those five never mind lake. When you think of how many accomplished monitors don't have offers yet, but TC Affleck has one. No, come on. That is a huge insult like okay, for example, g Jomon hall. Okay. G Jilin hall has busted his in some roles that he definitely deserved recognition for like the first one off the top of my head is my crawler. Of course. Even in the same year or am I wrong? I remember he was snubbed for like, not even nominated. But I don't think it was. But I'm just saying like off the top of my head. When you think of a performance like that. And you think that, that wasn't recognized for an Oscar nomination, you eat, will you think of, like John Malkovich? For example, John Malkovich does not have an Oscar that's, that's criminal. Like, you know, things you think of like Amy items doesn't have an Oskar, even the nominated so many times, like it just really gets under my skin that so many accomplished, people don't have offers every no that lake. Okay. It's just an award in whatever it's, it's about the work and or at least people and stuff. But still, like you look at Casey Affleck, would you ever have guessed Casey Affleck would have won? An Oscar that's mill. Of course, not I write G managed to get this role because of the fact that he was good friends with Kenneth Lonergan. Right. Just to give a little bit of background on it. Matt Damon was one of the producers on, on this movie. So obviously, Matt game in his close friends with Casey Affleck, Casey Affleck is close friends when Kenneth Lonergan there was no on dishing process for this role. It was just a matter of, I'm gonna give it to my buddy. Casey, Affleck, here's this amazing role and not like when I was watching the movie, I think that was thing that really irritated me as well. He was like this is a great role like I'm sure any after would look at this role and go. Holy shit. This is an amazing role. Like I wanna play this, right? It's such a meaty role for somebody who is an accomplished, actor in my opinion. And like who did it go? To it went to Casey Affleck, I know. That's, that's what weighty and here's the thing when we decided that we were gonna do Casey Affleck. And we were going to talk about this. I actually sat down and challenged myself to watch some of his work because I thought you do, maybe I'm not being cared Casey Affleck, like maybe I'm judging him and I actually haven't seen a lot of this work. So maybe I should see some of this stuff and I actually watched by Casey Affleck. In preparation for this podcast. And I will say this, she's still doesn't impress me as an actor, I think that he is someone who, basically like this the way he played Lee Chandler is basically the way he plays all of his character. He's here. He didn't do anything felt like most of the time I felt that if this role had been given someone different they could have done so much more with it. I'm just gonna chime in quick you mentioned that there was no casting process. No additioning kind of thing. I think you're absolutely right. Because on top of them being friends, usually, I can find lists of other people who were considered, and that didn't exist for this movie. There was an article in the New Yorker about tennis Monir again, which I forwarded to Lucia because they're it gave a lot of background info. And about his career, and it talked a lot about Manchester by the sea, and one of the things that talked about was that, when he wrote the screenplay for Manchester by the sea, Matt Damon agreed to play lead Chandler direct. Direct gets drunk. She said he and then yeah. And then he been he, he backed out of directing because he said that the story was like so personal. I guess, basically, he said that it really should be Kenneth Lonergan direction. Right. Then he said that he would still star in right? So then because of scheduling conflicts key couldn't be in it. So then obviously, they just handed it over and Casey Affleck. That was the way I understood it in the in the article about was kind of, so there was no casting process for this, and I think that's that really goes to show, the way a lot of these roles and with certain actors, Nick, once you get into, like the higher sort of dryness. Fear of, you know, certain projects like it just goes to your friends. And I think that's why sometimes you see certain actor. In certain roles in it's like, well, why did this person get is like you're so not sued for the rule? And yet, it's like well because their friend gave it to them. And that's why you often see directors, especially once they reach a certain level having the same actors repeatedly in all their movies. Exactly. You don't come to mind is with Anderson and here's the thing I love, Wes Anderson. I love his work. I'm a huge fan, but it's always the same people in his movies. Luckily, he has a really talented prince key guys. But at the same time, you're kinda like, well, I'd like to see different people in his movies once in a while. So not just I mean, I've already street, I've gone off on a tangent. But basically, you know, watching the movie that was kind of how I felt was this was agreed role and Casey Affleck on it. And from what I saw Casey Affleck work. It's always the same character that she's playing. He doesn't have a range. I don't think he's talented. I'm just going to say in my opinion. Casey Affleck is not talented and he's an okay actor, but he's mediocre, just, he's mediocre, and he never enunciate nothing that beliefs, punks me when he's talking. It's like can you see your words? Late turn on the subtitle. I always. I only. When I turn on the table for VDI, okay? I understand. But Casey Affleck, it's like he doesn't enunciate. It's no irritating. And these characters are always just really indifferent. Like there's just indifferent the way he plays everything. Anyway, it was out further ado. I don't think that what he did was beach handler. I think it was a great role. But I don't think that what he did was Oskar worthy. I think the role is Oscar were the that's the thing. And I think that was a different actor. I would've understood that Oskar being one. He new podcast. We are alternate tells the stories incredible people in places that make up what being burned is all about from oilfield to cannabis oil Alberta's landscape in Konami are ever changing henna communists, Nick Ford is helping to give voice to those changes. Discover these hidden gems across the province on itunes Google play and anywhere pods are generally cast. And now back to the show when I was going through my casting, Princess by auto KB Chandler that character is somebody, you know, she's basically is just a show of a human being rain like this really God person and consumed by it. But he's also kind of a loner rate, the loner, he picked his broken manny's relief quiet. She's not super verbose. So a lot of emotion has to come through on be. And so, I. Wanted an actor who could play that where you can see the emotions on their base, or even just in there is, there are certain actors that the act, even just like with their eyes, you see it, all, like in a clan, or a certain look rave, somebody who could play like a relief quiet Brule. And you know, really give us that, that sense of like this is a broken person, right? Some the first person that I thought of was Ryan Gosling. She was my first choice because I think that he totally could have done this role, and it's a shame that he was nominated for LA La Land that year. Like I wish the Ryan Gosling had been given this role. I really do definitely would have won the Oscar, he had been given this role of Leech handler, like Brian Gosling would have kicked off on, he completely could have done it. Because when you see, like other movies that he's done like in half Nelson or even drive. Like when you think about what he doesn't drive keep barely has any dialogue whatsoever. I was totally thinking of drive and the place beyond the pines. Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah. I was thinking of drive, but I was also thinking of half Nelson too, because there's certain parts in half Nelson where like you just get so much emotion just from like a look that he's giving. And even in the most recent movie that he was in. I man where he plays you'll Armstrong link thought was very quiet sort of performance as well. I mean he pulled it off beautifully. So he was my first choice. My second choice would Jake Jilin hall knowing. Like, honestly, they were the, the two actors that I kept thinking the whole time I was watching the movie I was laying Brian gos- ring or even like cheek John Hall, totally field, this performance beautifully as well. I would have loved to have seen what he could have done with it. And again, like I wish that this was something that had been offered to him. At least if he'd been given that opportunity because I think if kick Jilin hall played this again, I think he easily could have one offer and like deserved the win. You know what I mean? And I think he's another actor. That is so good at those types of performances really quiet sort of, but giving you so much like I think he's good at those understated so sort of performances and then the third person then I thought of 'cause I was like you. I mean, I didn't have teed off, but I haven't least ten. Ten and then I narrowed it down to three because that's the thing. It's like there's so many other actors who would have done such a better job with this role than what Casey Affleck did with it mice third. Choice was killing Murphy. Murphy is amazing at this sort of performance brulee, why he's another one who's so good at emoting just through a look. And I seen a lot of independent stuff that he's done because he hasn't done anything. Like he's a, a couple of blockbusters. But for the most part, Gillian Murphy, film Greer, husbands, smaller sort of independent film rain, Jenin, anybody who may be doesn't know Pilion Murphy is you could say if you rules if you don't know killing Murphy. While like you said, a lot of his roles are more independent, the are by I feel like a lot of people know him from keep minders, a lot of people watch peaky blinders loose. Yeah. I don't. If on net flicks, a lot of people watch it. But yeah, if you don't know who Killian blind or finders. If you don't know Killian Murphy's. He's Thomas Shelby on peaky blinders. I feel like that's what everybody knows him now and he was in the dark night. He was in inception. I mean he's been around a long time. He's. Sorry, I forgot he was in inception. He was. I mean, that's an older movie. But she's in that. Yeah he was also in Dunkirk. Yeah. He was in Dunkirk. But like he these forgettable and Dunkirk he was so good. Though he was good. But I feel like people wouldn't necessarily watch and go away. Like, I remember Gillian Murphy. Like, I don't know. I mean, I'm a huge fan of his, but I feel like most people will know him from peaky blinders. Yes. Yeah. So yeah, like he was Meister choice. And I think he would have done a great job as well for me. Well, obviously, I agree with Ryan Gosling inject Jilin hall. And I do think Kilian Murphy would have done a very good job. But I also kind of like you had trouble. Picturing, Adrian Brodie I kind of having trouble. Picturing him doing the raw. Yeah. Get one. I think he could handle. He certainly is talented enough, but I'm just having trouble. Picturing him. He's pretty. I don't know. Attract. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's so attraction. I guess some people maybe look at Casey Affleck and thinks he's a truck. Yes. Don't mean either. But I'm sure there's someone out there who thinks he's hot piece of us. Yeah. I'm sure I'm sure there. That's awesome. But, but see. So right there, just immediately. We came up with what six people who would have been better. Donnelly, but, you know, it's like we were saying it's a case of it just went to the directors friend, like they just handed it off. Because if you notice also in the movie, Matthew Broderick movies. Well does. Which I was like, what the hell one is, Matthew Broderick is in reading that whole long read in the New Yorker about tennis lawn again, you find out that he and Matthew Broderick have known each other since childhood. Exactly you went to high school together and much broader was also in Margaret Kenneth Lonergan previous movie Brian. So I mean obviously, that's Kenneth law against think he just cast all his good friends. And in this case, it happened to be like an Oscar worthy rule. And Casey Affleck like just landed in his lab. Like it just like just amazing role that I'm sure some actors would love to have the opportunity to have it just fell in this slackers slab, you mean? Did you know that Kenneth Lonergan had a cameo in Manchester by the sea? Yet he was the guy who yelled nice parenting. Well, he puts himself in all his films, right? Yeah. He's only done three and I'm just going to see when I read about directors. I always do like a huge I roll on us. Stanley. So Kenneth Lonergan has like a Launer -burse, Launer Giner verse. There's nothing about it. It makes me really go over really have to be in the movies. Well, okay. I don't know is your because your ego, be any larger will. Okay. So now a medical attention for a second because talking about his previous movie, Margaret, his cut of the movie was three and a half hours. I think it said in the article, and he refused to cut it down. The studio was asking for two and a half hours, which already that's long. That's not nothing. And he just refused and held it up for years and years. And so he was basically like in this funk, and Matthew was named Damon. Matt, Damon us him to write this movie to kind of help him. Get out of the slump. Exactly. That's all from the article that we that we got that from anybody wants to read that article we can throw it up on our social media afterwards because it's really good. If anyone's interested in the background on tennis Launer Gannon in Manchester by the sea. But basically, like that's how this project even came into being everyone eats. Kenneth Lonergan was in such a bad, please, after this movie Margaret that he made that like it's not in post production hell for like five years, and he was emotionally and creatively. He was in such a bad place. And so Matt Damon was so worried about his friend that the commissioned, a script. Emme got paid because he was broke these, like after this movie Margaret that he made that took so long to be released. He was also internal financially drained him of a lot of its finances. So Matt Damon was so worried about him that he was like here. I'm commissioning script from you. And then that's when tennis Lauder din wrote Manchester by the so I don't know. It's just like this little coven of Lincoln's Matt Damon. And, and you know what I thought was interesting is John Krasinski is part of this little brotherhood of friends to right? He's one of the producers on the movie. Initially read it before you send you that article was that John presents the end. Matt Damon had gone to Lonergan enough him to write this movie. John. Of little, click the these projects, and then they just give these jobs to their buddies, which I mean, I don't know. That's kind of when you see how, you know, certain actors when they say that they don't have the opportunity at certain roles that's when you understand the whole insider -ness of it, and how it works, and it's like, well, if you're not friends with tennis lawn or gain, or if you're not friends with Steven Spielberg, or if you're not friends with so, and so then you're not being considered for certain projects. And that's where you see, it's oftentimes certain actors and up that you kind of go like, what the heck? How did this person end up here? This person is totally in the past and this role. Well, you know, there buddy custom in the role and that's totally what happened with Casey Affleck. And I mean for anybody who doesn't know about the allegations. Against Casey Affleck like you can just Google it. We're not gonna go into it. And again, they're alligators we don't want Casey Affleck to come in. Larry pond. Who can't afford it. Sorry. Casey affleck. Casey Affleck, supposedly a real Perv. And. And. I love that right after like please. Don't sue us you saying he's a real. Perv. And you know what I believe the allegations come in to me? Casey affleck. I don't give a shit. I believe the allegations one hundred and fifty percent. Yes. So at the Oscars that year, the previous year's best actress winner is the one who presents the best after Oster. So that was rehearsing she had one for room the year before. So she presented him with the Oscar end, I guess she had a notably muted reaction to win one. And she didn't applaud she spoke out afterwards saying that it's because of the allegations. And she didn't agree with it in, you know, she was involved in the metoo movement. And then there were some people who petition to have Casey Affleck, not present the award, the following year to the best actress, and he didn't he didn't know hating he opted out of it. And I mean, that was probably the best thing that he could have done. Yeah. I was surprised the chose not to do it. But at the same time it was like, you know, I don't know who was advising him, certainly not off. Let's. Yeah. Would not have given him that good advice. You know, I thought, okay, well, at least he didn't present the following you whoever was advising him. I do think that, that was good decision at least. But I wonder as Casey Affleck thinks think does he think that he deserved that Oskar you know what I mean wasn't he campaigning super hard? I don't know. I can't remember I was too focused that you're on Ryan Gosling. I will say this. I think that Ryan Gosling, didn't campaign hardy enough that here. Sure no, you mentioned Denzel Washington having been nominated for fences in having won. The sag in happens really, really often that whoever wins the segue word for best, Dr ends up. Oscar this was the first time in fourteen years, or something like that, that it didn't happen. Yeah, I don't know. I you know, somebody voted for Casey Affleck. Obviously, here's what I think, I think if Ryan Gosling had actually put some muscle into his Oscar campaign, I think if he had campaigned a little harder. I wonder if the outcome would have been different. The thing, too is his role. Like he was spectacular in law end. I think very good. I think he did something impressive with the role, but also I feel like really often be offers go to either portrayals of real people. Something really heavy something really dramatic. So, you know, just being up against those roles like Pence's role for Denzel. And then, you know, I don't know that he could have won just based on that. I know I get what you're saying. I get what you're saying, but still, I just I wish it put more muscle inch with Oscar campaign. Let's put it that way. I wish he had done more. I don't think he shook enough hands and did enough. I'm not saying that he necessarily would have one guy just wish that he I wish she pushed it a little harder with his campaign. So for this, I mentioned this to you Janet lake a couple of days ago, I have almost no trivia, or, you know, little fund vox for this movie. So I don't know if you have anything else to add, I have no fun fat. Okay. Not hun. Yeah. Exactly. It's sad and heavy and I mean it's definitely I think it's a worthwhile watch, but it's definitely heavy for sure the one thing I will say that I didn't like about the movie was, and I don't know what you thought of it, but was the constant music throat the movie it wasn't enough for me to notice. Really? Oh, wow. I'll like for me. I was watching it. And I was totally getting Woody Allen five. You don't know what he L and usually, has, like music going through his movies. That's how I got with this one that music. It was constant it was just like enough with the spews it. I watched this in three separate chunks, because it's long. Oh. So I've watched it like forty minutes at a time kind of thing. So maybe that has something to do with, why the constant didn't reach me. Okay. You know, I have no find facts. So, yeah, do we wanna do our only dance? I I'll just say the ratings the iphone online. So I am db the rating for this was ninety six percent and then run tomatoes. It was ninety six percent. Also popular movie pray a lot of people saw it. I think so. Yeah, I'm like, pick regard critical acclaim for sure. And considering that it is an Amazon movie, I think the amount of money that it made us impressive to because imagine people just watched it on their zone prime account. Okay. So as you all know by now replied casting is a problem member of the Elford a podcast network, powered by ATP. Why not check out some of the other amazing shows on the upper two podcast network? Like press, start to join the home of more geeky than you can shake the joystick up hosts Josh Allen talk about video games movies TV call. Comics Star Wars, and the lake check it out now and so many other amazing shows at out, Berta podcast network dot com. Now back to the show. So now it is time for home close young tone. Dan? And there are technical difficulties. I can't play the female. So this is a homing close young, Tony danza, the segment where we cast, Tony danza into a role in this movie, and this time I will let you go first. Why? To cast him. Well. No. But you did in the meantime, rain. Oh, my guess. Okay. Let me see, I think I would cast Tony danza as sympathetic lawyer. Who is like advising Casey, Affleck security, or the during the whole procedures of the whole legal stuff that he has he needs all the legal advice for twenty danza as the lawyer? Test him as Joe. Chandler. Lee Chandler's brother with the heart defect. Now. Why did you do that? Because the character of Joe is a really good guy. He's really caring. He's a good dad. He's a good brother. I mean yes, it sad. That spoiler alert that this character dies, not even spoiler alert that was literally in the synopsis. Train in there. Yeah. Yeah. But so obviously, it's that sad. And I you know, I it's not that I wanna catch twenty danza in dying role. But I think that he would have done that role beautifully. You killed. No, I wanted to see him in the late. He could be that when you die, you would totally by him. I know what you're saying definitely twenty dancing play that role beautifully. He'd probably play a better than the guy who wasn't it? The guy what was his name, Kyle Chandler. Oh my God. I. God, please rather that's freight Kyle Chandler. He's the guy from Friday night late. Yeah. Get rid of Kyle Chandler. Tony danza. Exactly. Okay. So, I think we did this movie proud. We, we put in some press casting choices we put Tony Dan's in there. And all this left to do is a while. We're gonna talk about our movie challenge. Finally, I know you people have been on pins and needles waiting on months. People listening to dislike dying curable movie. So we will talk about that, but I, I'll say that next month the movie that will be recasting is hitch. It is available on Netflix, and the SO give out a watch and then recast along with us. Yeah. As usual, we are replied testing on all the social media stuff you can Email us at repot casting gmaiLcom. We did get a couple of listener emails that we haven't talked about yet, so we can talk about those in our next episode. We're very happy. Thank you for emailing us. And. And, and now we'll talk about our movie challenge. So Janet, what was the last movie that you watched? It was the movie that you gave me. Oh my gosh. I've completely lost. How impressed I was with the movie wasn't sleeping with other people with people. Yes, thank you. And it starred. Jason Sadique Allison Brie. Amanda Pete in it. Jason Man-Soo Gus. And I, I can't remember the name of the actress who plays his wife. Andrea savage. That's it. And with that other little dude, isn't it? The one that you like. The little dude. What ladder? Oh, why, why would you refer to is that little dude? So, yeah, I didn't like sleeping with other. What's it gonna be with other people? Yeah. I didn't like it. I didn't like it. You know, I think we I initially had told you about this, that I felt like movies, like sleeping with other people should have their own sub Shaun rooms because it's a romantic comedy Ray. But then, the sub-genre should be romantic comedies where the guy and girl agreed just be best friends, even though they secretly love each other, and, you know, wanna have sex, and, but they pretend to be best friends for the longest time, and then they're giving each other bytes about other relationships and pretending to be best friends. I feel like that should be a sub genre of movie because I've seen so many movies like that, and it's. And it's so many comedies, anyway, that are seem to be like that. And it's funny because the woman who wrote sleeping with other people, I think her name is Leslie had Lynch. She said that, when she was pitching, the movie, she pitched it as it's when Harry met Sally, but with assholes. I was thinking, wow. I thought, well, she really knew how to pitch her own movie because that's exactly how I would describe it. To me when Harry met Sally is the only other movie. But I would think of that fits the very specific sub-genre you're talking about. No. I ain't other movie. I can't think of them all now. But I know that I've seen lots of the romantic comedies, where the two main people are they're pretending to be best friends, even though they're secretly like you love each other so much. And I just I didn't think it was like there was anything smart about it. You know what I actually watched a really good romantic comedy on net flicks, and it's called the incredible. Jessica, james. I've never seen this. No so good. And I thought I was watching it. And I was like, yes. That is a smart romantic comedy like it was good. It was smart. It was just different. This just felt like the Phil like soul many other romantic comedies. I don't know. I just didn't care for it. I didn't think much of it, and I did mention this to you, the when I assigned it to you. I had seen it once a couple of years ago, and I watched it just to be able to kind of discuss it with you, and I liked it less when I saw it this time I thought anything, but just not that funny. I do. Love, Jason men's Lucas in Andrea, savage in this, and I want to see their story because he have amazing chemistry and those two characters are just so fun. And so, like, sweet together, I love them. Thing I was watching it. I was actually really pissed off with the we're not getting more screen time than I thought, why was the movie about Jesus? And guess and Allison Brie like these two wet blanket or whatever you wanna call them like they were just so boring. And then I, I was like I want the story about Andrea savage, her character, and Jason Massie because like they were so funny, and I was like the romantic comedy should have been about them, or be need to make one about them. Yeah, they were good. They're actually Andrea savage stars in show called, I'm sorry. I haven't been able to watch it because I don't know where I can watch it. I think it's one of those things that's hard to find in Canada. But Jesus music has been in quite a few episodes of that. And like their chemistry in that too, is so fun to watch clips. But yeah, they were they were really good at shoot him. So for me I'll watch. Yeah, I watched the imitation game with one of my Hollywood boyfriend Benedict. Cumberbatch. I can't believe I hadn't seen it already like that's crazy. But so I was really glad when you pick that one for me. And it was excellent. Like, not surprisingly, it was such a good movie. He was so good in it. I remember he had been nominated for an Oscar the year that, that came out and I'm shocked he didn't win because I think he lost Eddie read that year for the Stephen performance. But yes, he was excellent. And I'm really glad that Alan turing story was being told that Manny. Okay. I can't believe you haven't watched it yet. How can you see the Benedict Cumberbatch? He's your Hollywood boyfriend and you hadn't watched that movie. What kind of a girlfriend are you lose? Yeah. My husband takes up a lot of my time. So I don't have a lot of time to go. Okay. Well, we are probably going to link put the movie challenge kind of on hold for a bit. We're just both a little busier than usual. And you know, we still have to watch hitch, so we don't have time to watch others. Hurt. Anybody? Any movies that I think needs to be recast. Please send the mar- wing. We would love it if someone would suggest a movie for us to recast. We're just putting out there. So if you've breeds at least seen something that you were just like those were the wrong actors foreign to us shoot us an Email. We'd love to get some more suggestions. Okay. I think that does it for us this month. Please watch hitch, please contact us, and please join us next month on April Fools day. Yeah. Thank you. Janet. Thanks for joining me as usual on thanks for doing all that extra research, in watching five case against like move. I know like I took once the team the other hard wanted, sat five Casey Affleck movies. But that's for the movie challenge. Okay. Well, thanks very much. In the we'll see. Bye.

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Japonizados Micropodcast | 226 | Death Note

Podcast RadioViajera

20:00 min | 7 months ago

Japonizados Micropodcast | 226 | Death Note

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Would you return a kidnapped child to their abusive parent?

The Big Ones

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Would you return a kidnapped child to their abusive parent?

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I ain't muffins for the rest of my life if it meant. Would I have Satan's child. Hi, everyone welcome to the. Each week we discuss new ethical questions ranging from historical decisions to relationship problems to brain busting moral choices. The questions can be complicated to discuss, but they're always fun to talk about because they forced you to look deep deep deep with inside yourself. Will you like what you see Christina's lodgers. I think I will I. To I, believe someone with a strong moral compass. I'm very confident in my opinions. Love him or leave him. Yeah, that's very good. Yeah, well, you're talking to two girls who flip. Constantly and who can't I will say as a as a listener of the show that I. Do very quickly confidently. Decide what I would do. Through, the course of you discussing it also consider the other. Obstacle, that's then our work. Here is done because that's where here to broaden the mind. My mind is open for better or for worse. So you, all might recognize Christina's voice from an occasional co host. Anton pistol shrimps radio I am one degree of lot of people that you like. Martin Com Ville her husband. But more than that. Christina's just a talented woman. Would you say your art director? So Times I frequently. Now that we're in I am in a non essential worker. I like to consider myself just a skill. You Nair just in broad. But for many years have been prop and wardrobe stylist for. Shoes so photo shoots not so important right now. You're someone who can look at something that's at a magazine whether it be a baked, good or a floral arrangement, and then you can go and do that thing, and then it it doesn't. It looks like it doesn't the magazine like you can i. You're someone who can cause. I probably did it in the. Okay see the difference I mean. What does that feel like when you accomplish what you set out to do, and you see it, you look straight in the eyes and you go. Oh, my God, i. It. It's what I imagined. I think that I am most satisfied by succeeding like I like the process and the challenge I care very little about the final photo, because that is not so much a thing, but you know the lots of other people contributed and I'm happy to do my part, but for me for you to challenge me with a thing that probably can't be done and then when I can do it. That's like the the drug Have you ever not been able to do something? So far nothing has broken. What's The craziest thing you've had to procure for a for a job? Last summer we wanted to do. Director wanted to do a slim aarons photo shoot, which is like very. Very, popular photographer in the sixties, showing life's of leisure, like rich people, carefree lane by pools and very palm springs, and there's a very iconic. Photo of a woman lounging on a bearskin, a tiger, skin, rug, or lion, so it's got the full lionhead right the full rug and he wanted to with kids, and so I had two days to find this they're. They're endangered species now and they're really hard to find like a rental of not a lot of money, so you went to the jungle lines. I did the jungle. Yes no I found this family. That would let me borrow one for an hour so this we had to make this poor six year old. Sit on it in very posh silverlake home. How do you go about asking someone to borrow their rug? Like where did they sheer desperation? Had, did you? Were you looking on instagram? And you saw that? They took pictures in front of it or something? I'm an incredible sleuth like if I can if I'm stumped. It's really I can't. It's it's not good so I found a family that used to rent that in the family. The the guy the. Father died, and he used to rent props, and so the family inherited the taxidermy business, and so through them I was able to. Kind of talk my way into borrowing the rug, but what I was looking at I didn't even know if they had it. I just looked at like pictures of like rooms and rooms full of deer and bears and I was like you have to have it very specific so. And they did, and they let us borrow it for an hour and so my husband got roped into it because he came to set with me. We shot it and then he had to drive it back to the big warehouse full of taxidermy. Wow, I bet he could drive in the Carpool Lane to prop that head up that Lionel Window. It's pretty. Fascinating, so yeah, that was pretty. That was kind of one of the latest hard things i. One of the things I did. Is I designed? I worked for a lot of kids. Brandon I designed they wanted to Louis Louis vitton trunk, and the scale of kids to shoot on the Queen Mary, but it had to have the brand logo so I had to design a canvas like all overprint with the brands logos, and then build it into like a two by three trunk for a five year old. And so stuff like that. Anything like that. It would just end up like a pile of sticks on the ground you. Know. You just have to have the will like a will to do. That's what I don't have. The I just don't have the wherewithal I have a will. Go Out. No it's ruined any sort of permanent like I. Have No interest in doing anything permanent because I have to do things so temporary rating to eating a lot of adrenaline. hewer out of adrenaline and. Energy. So Christina. What would you have any little moral dilemmas that you're fighting within your self to? How to deal with. Well. Let's, let's say. You have a dying wish. Okay. Maria your FA- your faith I i. don't know where this is going. So my father on his deathbed then I mean this in all like. lightheartedness. He was a man who loved his stuff, and so on his deathbed, he looked at me and he said you have to promise me that you will sell my cars to Carmax. Very. Specific. Request, show. And the reason that he asked me to do this because he prides himself in his stuff he has. His cars were terrific and he thought you won't have to. He's already planned it out in his mind. You will not have to worry about this. you will just go to Carmax, and they will sell the cars and so We're like okay. I I guess we will do that, but then his one of his golf buddies also asked if he could buy the cars. And that was absolutely? Forbidden. So. Should I honor my father's request and go through and sell these cars to connex or should I take the easy road. And sell them to the Gulf Buddy who's ridden in the cars loved. The cars was a friend of mine ads. But. That goes against a very specific Wish this is interesting. You should bring this up because it actually touches on something. We talked a little bit about in our last episode, which was this whole dilemma based on a literary piece of literature about I break the exact details, but basically it was like should the wishes of the dead dictate the behavior of the living? And this is sort of like a very relatable version of that so I. Don't know this is so interesting. And why it's kind of a two for a two for two so I will tell you there's there's a part of. Why didn't your dad want his friend to have it just because he was such a fan of car facts? Man Just wanted like. There's also car facts. that. That's the Fox yeah. CARMAX on my apologies. Wanted. He wanted just simplicity. He didn't want me to have to haggle with anybody or worry about someone. Coming back like my dad's certainly did his fair share of selling who? Vehicles privately, but he just wanted no hassle straightforward. And just take care of it so that no one could come back to us like if the Gulf friend bought the cars and say hey, we see I. See so your dad like some. Keep prided himself on knowing the best way to do something like this. And it was his wish to have his daughter. Following his. His, Yeah I thought it would be his wish to be buried in his car with all of his stuff. That's cool, too, but you know it's a gift, though is that he didn't say to donate it to one eight, seven, seven Kars for kids. What's wrong with that is That's a scheme. That's a scam. What let me look it up. She just saying it's a scam. She has no evidence and now she's going to. Scour showing to scour the web to find something saying it's a scam. If we do I'm looking on Wikipedia Kars for kids. Okay, now, look. Criticism. The organization has been criticized for inadequately disclosing its Jewish educational work in two thousand nine joy for are you pay sixty five thousand dollars in fines in Pennsylvania while Kars for kids paid sixty five thousand dollars in fines in Oregon in settlements, reached with the respective state attorneys general as a result of their contention that the organization had to more clearly state that the beneficiaries were of a certain religious affiliation Oh so inch I. It's it's. So? They were supposed to say where. I Not really for kids in twenty seventeen, the Minnesota attorney-general conducted a compliance review and submitted a three hundred page report to the Internal Revenue Service. The report found that forty four percent of funds raised by Kars for kids went to a pro went to program expenses and most that money had gone to its sister organization Aura. WHO's concentration? New York New Jersey, men. Only one Minnesota child was believed to have benefited. Programs. I, feel like we could have a separate. Yeah, very special edition of the big ones on death and charities. Oh well I'm curious so okay. Some my general feelings about like fulfilling the wishes of our late family members is that you do your best, but really it's up to you like making these decisions because. It spirit of the law. Not that's that's how yeah! Exactly so I think whatever you like. It would be totally fine if you felt inclined to give the car. Sell the car a different way. I don't think your dad from beyond the grave. It's going to be I. mean he probably would be a little peeved, but. Depending your thoughts on the after live. Actually establish. There are no ghosts, because my father has yet to come back and haunt me for all the things that I have gone. Think whether or not you think there's an afterlife? Might Change your opinion on this subject. Well I have like the Casper. The friendly ghost I okay. So, your dad like Lydia. Your Dad would like laugh laugh about it. He'd be stinking. WanNa Casper's uncles stinky. Listen what my take on it. It's whatever makes you feel okay doing I. Have a lot of guilt in a lot of shame built into my personality that if someone asked me to do something I didn't do it I would feel like their life was a lie, and I had let them down tremendously, but that's not to save a ton of guilt you do. Yet in lie I can't lie because right. He'll to guilty right in. So that's just like I. Don't think it's bad to sell it to the to the buddy, but I know myself would have a hard time going against the wishes of like. If I was told specifically what to do that, I would just do that. We thought it'd be pretty easy. I mean I'm telling you about something that happened in the past, but we thought it would be easy just to go. This is what he wants. And we're GONNA do it and. You know great. It's one less thing we have to think about you know we just execute the plan. And my dad had two cars and a motorcycle. So we found out that. Carmax with the motorcycle. They don't take motorcycles. And the two cars. We met a very charming man. There who is from South Africa and we learned a lot about the car industry, but we found out that cars that were over seven years old would be sold at auction Oh. Do you think your dad researched this at all, or do you think? Well, I think he had sold a car to Carmax. Don't think he knew that the seven year window. happened. In what he had like a! A very iconic jeep, Cherokee like a Jeep Cherokee from the years when Jeep Cherokees were cool, boxy looking, and it was per one thousand, nine, hundred, five clueless kind of. Yeah. Like? I almost consider keeping it because it was just like so good luck, he didn't want that for you. He said you sell dot, com. He said you sell it car. Promise me and I'm two guys. He said Prom. That's really promise me. Can you imagine? Promise me. You're GONNA ending and you said yes. I said Yeah of course okay well, of course, because also I didn't know the. I didn't know what now I know. Yeah because he thought car back so that seems easy enough. Why would I say well think about it, you know like. Real. Why would that be the bone to pick? When on some died last days where you're like? Yeah, let's upbringing my laptop and we can go. Through a couple of different places. I'LL TRY DAD I. I can't promise no, that would that would not be acceptable, of course not but I think as long as you did. Try and you did then I think all you can really do, but I do think now I'm like I. Don't want anyone to think that I'm so relaxed about people's death. Wishes like I really do think you try to execute them. It's just if you try and it doesn't work out. It's okay to go a different way I. Don't think it. was like a white lion away like when my mom asks me like are you wearing sunscreen or did you reapply your sunscreen? And I go like yeah I did because I know that she's like I just want to stop her. Do any of your mom's golf buddies ever come up to you and go give me the sunscreen. They your mom just gave you. Know not see you. It's hard because I think it's different to an asking as a child like your child do this and you know that that clicks into what forty plus years a parental guidance direction like an I wasn't a rebellious kid. So that's what he wants like is really hard not to do that even if I think. I know better right, and also like the power like death is a huge right, yeah! Do. You WanNA can lease. So they he said we got a fair price said we could sell the cars that they would sell the cars at auction, but they wouldn't take the motorcycle and that monitor just became mark, and I do not ride motorcycles. We don't even know what to do with the motorcycle like I know. If one looks pretty right right then that's great but So Mark said I'm just going to call the Gulf coast. And, so we call the Gulf Buddy and we sold the car to the Gulf Buddy. For a little bit of a prophet. Right well. The wasn't really the that wasn't money was not a driving issue. But we did tell him to the Gulf buddy and then. My parents lived in a gated community that has parking stickers. And every year you have to renew these parking stickers. And so they called me and they said since you're not going to run, you don't have cars and you're not going to renew the parking stickers. We need the parking stickers otherwise. You have to pay fifty dollars a parking sticker. So they're wanted one hundred and fifty dollars from me. Because ultimately we work at donate the motorcycle to Kars for kids or something, and we ended up selling it privately, and it all worked out. Everything worked out, but they wanted the stickers back, and we didn't have the stickers, so we call the Gulf buddy and we said. Do you have the sticker is and he's like well. A windshield broke and got replaced some no, the other one. I just cleaned off. And at the time we still had the motorcycle, so this would be part. B. Is what you do. You only have one sticker. You turn one sticker in, so you don't have to pay one hundred dollars. or Do you try to figure out how to not just ghost them and not pay it all you ghost them your family. Your family spent years there the your. They gave them what they gave them while they were alive and well and now to ask more of you in. The Rogers you know the Rogers family. It's just not right. You got to take the money and run or a little trick. I learned in high school when I. This actually almost got me expelled. Marcus suspended, but I Photocopied actually my friend Lisa her mom didn't have a parking pass, and she did and her mom. Just one day handed me a little photocopy of it. So the first six months, I was happily parking in the senior lot with my little photocopied pardons hotter. Yeah, and then one day I got pulled into the principal's office and he said I know what you've been doing and Lisa got pulled in, and they threatened to suspend us because they said it was fraud. Who even though her mother gave you said Olga gave it to me, but then. Her out you didn't say. Why don't you just say I founded on the floor? I mean I. Don't know I just didn't think anything of it because an adult. I knew it was wrong I. Did but then we say someone gave it to me I just woman was walking by, and she gave it to be. That's what I always say. I didn't know I didn't know also. Played better, but I didn't. But anyway it all ended up working out. 'cause my the anyway. This feels like white privilege, but the ESP I just been elected the ESPN to. Worked behind the scenes to get us off the Ho- amid. Is that same stupid teacher that let you run to go. Get your prom dress in the middle of school. Oh, I hate this teacher, but hey wait, did you? Did you go to MILICI ALUMANDA I went to as we forget. I did forget that. Also this when you said the photocopied parking pass. Do, you remember because we grew up with this shopping center in between our neighborhoods. Deamer win, Ping wins used to be. Penguins for I loved penguins. Okay so you're probably too young to remember when it opened I. Remember when it Clone Open. Okay so I'll tell you an opening story that ties in they put. Two for one flyers for the grand opening on all the cars in the Lucky supermarket parking lot. And my mom went and pulled all the coupons off of everyone's car, and then she took him to her office, because penguins was black and white logo and just copied like a hundred, two hundred smart. These are just are using them. For years my God two for one. She was saving thousands well I photocopied. I went on when I was a went to an instinct concert I wanted to get backstage. No one was going to tell me I couldn't and so I. It was the beginning of Ebay so I went on, Ebay and I found someone was selling backstage passes and I and I printed out on Ebay on Ebay and I printed out the image of the backstage pass. And then cut it out. So it was a photo and I got backstage. I got stopped because I didn't have time to laminate it and I said and they said. Where did you get these? And I used my some woman handing them out back there. And they said okay. We'll go ahead. Wow who used we used to have a friend that worked at universal amphitheater, and they would let us go in backstage and see shows for free and all they would do hand. You like a carnival ticket like one of those. Type tickets, and they'd right wall on it and they'd go. Just sit anywhere. Go anywhere as long as you have this, Oh are you? This is like a carnival ticket. that. You wrote wall on in Sharpie and. It was a carnival ticket will work wonders. There's a lot of things he's intentionally learnable. Okay well so the moral. Yeah, we'll just follow up with the moral of the story of the car stickers. which were also very low rent like they didn't have our FD, they didn't have they were just like a bad drying of Sun. Since we had one sticker, I ripped it up into three pieces and stuck up piece. On each piece of paper and then brought them the rip, sticker. Artfully done and said here are the stickers, and they said Okay and how? Jesus, feeding, what did he do? He took my love. Yeah, he did something he. He made bread. He made lobes, fishes and stuff. That one I feel good about I still wonder if I did the right thing with like selling, not only cars to Carmax, but the I feel like I stuck into the man with the snow I. I think Christina. Because you tried the carmax thing and it didn't go it didn't there was no way you're getting out ahead in that. You did your best with that, and then you found the better route. So I think you're I'm the clear. I think your your Dad's looking down from you know. His. You know his his lazy boy in the sky and he's saying you did good Christina. You did good. That's my kid over. Horse Shit. Why didn't you can we wear? Daughter over there. That's my kid. It's like. Why didn't she listen to me? All right, let's do our ask really. Yes, please so. This is the part of the show Christina. Where we ask our guests to ask our listeners to Ray, m review the PODCAST, and to give us join our patriotic you. You understand how meaningful this is. Has Mark over. Told you the story when he asked me to race G, go and I rated it with four stars. And I told him I didn't want it to seem unbiased and he was. He's probably still mad. That's an iconic story that Flint's around. That's an iconic super goes story. Fair Stars Not Everything can be perfect, but great things. On Data five-star though Christina. Ten and you did nine. I felt like I could've given him three love average. I felt good about food, and I never changed it or so we know that about you, but we'd appreciate it if you ask people to give us five stars. Please, they are doing essential work. In these times of pandemic anti-racism five stars to answer these moral questions, I should have my little big ones should have been. Do you tell someone if you went somewhere and got exposed? I feel like there's a little big ones. Oh, that's all we do every day I. Wake up and I'm just like. Riddled with. Should I should I, should I not should I do this. Should I do that? But when in doubt, just stay home you see so a man I. Love Your Call This but last week we said that if if people reviewed in wrote a short story, we would read it because and so someone has reviewed with five stars agreed I think yeah, in written a short short story. That's kind of a beautiful. Beautiful little note Um. Yeah. This is from shack seeker. It's called I'm an alien. It has taken one billion light years to get to Earth. I was separated from my squad upon pulling my fit. Sorry I was separated from my squad on pulling my space shoot string to land on earth I landed on the I, O of the Hollywood sign in Los Angeles California I have found it hard to integrate with humans and decode their ways. The big ones podcast has been a beacon of hope in my quest understand human morality I will be taking these recordings back to my planet one day, a wide ranging discourse on topics which leave me not only perplexed on the human condition, but also tickled if humans ever wondered, are aliens listening in I can verify yes, and your funny. Bachelor. I read that earlier today, but I had forgot. We called for people to write short stories so I just like Oh! Well unique perspectives I mean. I took that as a story I don't know. Maybe it's a poem I. Don't like a first person account I'm not sure, but anyway wonderful a prediction action. That's coming from three thousand years in the future and also join our assumes. Also Patriot because it's popping off over there. So, should we get to our big big one if we take a break I, okay? All ready for this big one so I haven't read this yet Maria. Just send it to me. lead the second one, not the first one I made some typos. You are a sexy, young private invested. It's like. The word sexy! I can't listen to it. It's so silly. You. Very good. You are see if she can it. You are a sexy, young private investigator, using the old contacts from your checkered past to help you solve cases in your native city of Boston. You and your sexy pernet girlfriend are hired. Are Hired by a woman to look into the case of her three-year-old Niece Amanda McCready whose disappearance has caused a media storm. Does, Mutt, mother Hellene has been pleading with the public to help find her daughter, but behind closed doors. You see that Helene is more concerned about her own life and the publicity of the case, and upon further investigation you find out. Helene is actually a degenerate parrot and drug addict whose negligence includes incidents of leaving her daughter alone for hours unsupervised once resulting in Amanda getting a terrible sunburn, the other time resulting in her being abducted. After months on the case, Amanda is presumed dead and you are set to go on with your life, but one day police detective Bussard, who is also working on the case confesses that he is part of a small ring of cops who take children from abusive and neglectful homes and place them with caring competent parents. You realize Amanda is dead and find her in acute forest home where you see a man McCreevy, alive and well apparently happy and well cared for by the Boston, police captain, whose own daughter went missing many years ago. Your sexy girlfriend begs you not return her to pauline. Imploring you that she will be loved with the police captain, she also says if you return Amanda, she will leave you. What do you do? Is this from something? This is gone. Baby gone that. Casey Affleck Michelle Monaghan. They play too sexy, young private investigator. Basically you're private investigator. This kind of this woman hires you to look for her niece right and you find out that the niece has been taken from the mother who sort of a derelict and given not sort of. She's like like she's like. Like her ex boyfriend. You find him dead because he's like you know like she's in about his bad, she's bad. She's bad news. So who's so, it's the ant. It's the ant that wants them. Yes, the ants, the one that. Looks after. Amanda for the most part and so Amanda then find a Manda being raised by the sheriff in a forest retreat house. Yes, so the captain, the police captains own daughter went missing many years ago and so I think he's like one of the guys that like he basically this, he he, he's been looking for a daughter ever since, and he's just raising. He's not raising other people's kids to. It's not. Just her, so he. Basically, the sheriff is a good guy. He stole the daughter to raise us his own Did. He steal her premeditatively. Or did a situation. Like what did the mom just lever somewhere? So also I'll. This is all just get into the story which you. We can you can hear it, but the the the the aunt who called the private detectives, her husband. Was The one who contacted these detectives that that take the children away basically and give them to better homes. Because he saw how poorly Amanda was being treated, he didn't tell his wife this, so the wife has no idea. The uncle was the one that kind of set all listen motion so so basically to everyone else, but the uncle in these two police people. Think that. She was taken abducted by bad people I see. This is interesting because the kids okay well first of all I. Don't think it's right to like steal anyone's child. Just want to get that out there up top. Is they're. Just without like cut, cut and dry, you cannot still a child, no matter how good your intent no matter how nice your forest retreat is. Yeah, do it. That forest retreat sounds pretty. She's living in. So Nice. It's so nice and like when they find her. She's like on Morgan Freeman plays the the police chief, and he's on a rocking chair just with her on his knee. Just like looking wait. It's Morgan free us. You keep your mouth shut. Down Shaik's. What's the next one you guys salt case closed. But you. What would this be to tell the AMT like? Tell the ant, so the ant now was he an adult I mean really. The. Yeah adopter and also widened the ants step in if the mother is such a derelict like why hasn't the because? I think the mothers on the edge of it being? You know I don't know what the system is like that where it's like child, protective services and stuff, but I think this is a way where it just gets the child away from the situation without putting it through the court system and everything like that. It just kind of like I think that's the way of thinking about it because you see that helene is like she cares for the daughter, but she's just like not loving towards the daughter like it's like she's just. Some. Hellene is obligated, Helene. The anti leans the MOM mom. Okay, so, but maybe there's not enough to actually league. Warrant taking daughter. Fry Helene because there has to be some real shit going down for a child to be removed from their home, right? And she's only three right, yeah. But. You know I don't know that it's tough because that's a slippery slope right, because then, is it the next time you're like? Oh, well, I wanNA baby Morgan Freeman wants another baby now and so we're gonNA get that one. You know. He's just a baby. The baby, the baby collector the sequel to the bone collector. Now it's babies. Is The tagline this sort like? Maybe? Maybe this is because I just watched the trailer for the next season of handmaid's tale in two zero one. But it's similar in handmaid's tale where her daughter is taken, and she wants her daughter back so bad, but the daughter. Clearly looks like she's on the right side of the handmaid's tale. Law So right is it? Is it better to keep the Child? In the in the the fantasy forest. Like all happy does the daughter does? The does the three year old with a three year olds name Amanda Amanda Ask for her mother. Does she question she didn't talk much more? She hasn't talked much. We shouldn't talk at all. She's traumatized. It does. It looks like she's happy where she is. This is all in the movie. They don't make it clear. They literally make it like okay now you see her in this environment. She was in this other environment. She's not like it's. It's just like which environment do you think this child would prosper in like which which and then you from there have to? have to like think rethink. You believe in? Be like well, but that's not. You can't just steal someone and that's what Casey Affleck Girlfriend Michelle. Monaghan is saying she's going. If you return this kid to her mother, you are setting this child up for failure. You're ruining this child's life and all hate you and I'm not going to be with you. Casey Affleck I think picks those roles of trouble detectives because we just watch the man and the gun with Robert Redford will. Where he's like I recommend it very good but he also plays a troubled detective like do I catch Robert Redford. WHO's this career bank robber or do I let? US He's eighty and he's having a hot affair with. That would be a whole another episode. We didn't do a whole month of Casey, Affleck. Lives But he. I don't know his career that well, and the marks like. Oh, now you gotTA. Watch Manchester by the sea air whatever he always played conflicted care. Oh, he's always. If there's one thing about Casey Affleck. He plays conflicted characters. He doesn't play a simple guy never. It's hard because a three year old. Probably doesn't know, but you're condoning the behavior Morgan Freeman. Even if it's well intentioned, and he is like the what you say, this sheriff is the chief of police. Yeah, he's a chief of police. Where did he take the daughter from like a birthday party or like three four in her home, the mom helene left the left Amanda at home alone for hours while she went to a dive bar. was there a jukebox? Freemen to see have money. He said Boston police chief. He's learned that house was no was no shack. I'll tell you that much. Support. She doesn't trust the foster system. He's like I don't trust. He's a sheriff and he doesn't trust the court system to like. Do the right thing in this situation, and or and like find this child a new home, or is it that he just really wants a child because off the bat. If we're just going to say yes, or no, where we're at off the Bat, I'm with Affleck on this I'm a no, it's not okay to like. Just take the child and leave unresolved for the family and friends, everyone involved or did. Did he save the save it. I mean that's the other way to look at it. I just think the once you start taking kids. It's like who's to stop. Sally Lou from down the street, because what is a proper there certain things that are abuse and not okay. Then there's certain things that are on the line were one person might say. That's not a happy home, but someone else might say. Oh, look, that's a happy home. So what's to stop some random lady from just like stealing kids being like they live in a you know. They don't have no one else. No, because no. But think about like bark Morgan Freeman in this. Power. Position in the community is making this judgment call and accepted the consequences that she's going to be raised in late she sleeping beauty, like I'm going to avoid her from the curse, and put her out in the woods, Tiller Sixteenth Birthday where I tell you the truth, and then how much therapy she going to now well I think because this detective broussard. WHO's played by none other than at? What's his name editors yes. I know it's a very. It's an intense for four. It's an imperfect. It's like you've never seen him or it's the only way you've ever seen him I. Think I've seen this movie. You probably have, and he's. It is on cable constantly and I. Never Check it out. I, mean it's. It's got a ton of moral dilemmas in there just one after the other I. It's not really like the happy subject matter that I like. Well then. Don't watch Manchester by the and I promise. Neck last night we watched the two thousand sixteen MTV are note. I'm sorry. The nineteen ninety nine in. Music videos fun. That's really fun. In Backstreet Boys Oh hell. I read. That was Chris. Rock, hosted, yeah, I sleep like a baby after watching that. I'd be up all night. I slept so well last night because I I didn't pick up my phone once the entire time because it was an amazing time. Clough I would like to see that. So Maria you're holding your cards awfully close to the chest. What what do you think? Well I again as Maria. Don't think it's right to take to to take a child away from their home. Because you. You believe you'd give them a better life when it's like. I. Don't know it's hard because you know what's crazy is like the government and the world has put in place. These things like the foster system in you know child protective services to make you not have to about this stuff. You know where it's just like. Oh, if they're in a bad home, then they're taking away. And that's better for the kid or whatever, but when you go outside of that system in someone's doing it and kind of leaving all that aside you're you have to think for yourself. We'll wait a minute. Should this child be taken away and it's kind of like mind bending, because it's like who has the right to say where that child should be and you know. Just because her, her mother doesn't show her, the love Morgan Freeman, which show her doesn't mean that the mother wouldn't care for her and like beloved he's GonNa. Need therapy either way. Only I. Think so too. Because I think Christina's right when you're looking long term, this plan has a lot of holes in it and eventually this child's GonNa ask like we're. Do I have any relatives? What did happen to my mom? Like what? Where do I have grandparents? And then what is Morgan Freeman going to say like? I took you away from your mom. Oh, so I was taken away from my mom and you adopted me and he's gotta go well, not exactly that Casey Affleck. Would turn Morgan Freeman in because he's going to wrestle with it and I think he would ultimately. Shed light on the exposed the whole thing, but does that mean that Morgan Freeman is going like the ripple effect like yes, what's good for Amanda in the moment? Versus what's going to happen? Is the MOMS. The MOMS GONNA lose her either way right because there's no way they're going to let her go back to the. All Contrary Air Chris Christine because they are rare. They're going to let that child go back to the mom because the mom. Because the mom made it so clear in the media that she leg needed her child back like this was like a huge is like if like Jon Benet like came back, basically and like was missing, and then she came back or like the mom sober up in this meantime. She's you only tell you what happens in the end just to let you you now. Will spoiler alert. Spoiler alert. On cable. Zoo also Casey says to Michelle Monaghan. He says you gotta get out of my way. I'm returning this child and he goes, and he returns her. Morgan, Freeman gets arrested. Everyone's you know. Basically it ends up with Amanda Back Home With Helene Aka Amy Ryan. Yeah, playing a you know tour to force. Me Rose on? Office. She was. Yet. She's great you'll. You'll recognize her. It's very natural. She's very real. She's like the Florence Pyu the earliest `oughts. Mice millennial reference. And basically the end scene is oh. Yeah, he's him is Casey Affleck going over to Liens, because she's very like he likes like he thinks she's you know. She's like an affable person and goes over, and he's in Amanda. Sitting there. Watching TV in Helena's going out for the night and he's and she's like. Oh, I hope the babysitter gets here. And the baby sitters like someone shady, and then cases like I'll just babysitter and she's like Oh, will you okay and then she goes out to have a date with a guy, and then it's just Casey Affleck sitting with Amanda and they're just watching TV and no one's talking and you can just see that this is going to be her. Existence is like the MOMS there in the you know, but she's you know. This child is going to grow up without. The love that Morgan Freeman and Morgan Freeman gets arrested. That's another thing that I didn't really think about. Well. You know there's consequences. Let me, let me ask you because you've seen the movie and I know that we should be. Thinking about this abstract. But how much time passes between when they think that she's dead? And when he finds her like. Is it two years later? No, it's not. It's sleepless night. Think it's like months, and there's this whole thing that happens in the middle that that group of detective that do this thing where they take away the kid. They basically put on this play to show that Amanda been killed and so they like. Put the nail in the coffin. There's a conspiracy here. Okay, I. This is greater forces at work. I'm a full on I gotta say, and we should all give our answers. Now of what we think I'm I'm a affleck on this one hundred percent like you don't get to play God like that and decide that you're just gonNA. Take a child and you and your buddies your detective. Don't get to judge these women who are just trying to live their lives. Say you're. Wrong not a fit mother I'm going to take your child to do a play to make you think. She's dead and raise her in a forest house. No. Friends in the forest hosters basically like quarantine that we're living I. DON'T THEY? Don't go into that. We never go inside the house to be fair. We're only on. The poor can't judge her quality of life in the Morgan Freeman reality there could be a birthday party in the backyard. For All we know, but we're only seeing the front porch. Cake. Cakes. Again I want to go to a child's birthday party right now. I do. I want like. An crystals and a Taco truck Taco trout, a beautiful birthday. Yeah, rich baby's birthday or want to be rich baby creggan high saw rich baby at Chateau Mont. once was rich. Baby was walking through the working through the hall of Chateau Mont wearing like Chanel slippers. It was this little three year old baby, who was wearing white linen, pajamas and Chanel slippers. Something else sometimes we just. I could have gotten him a lionhead rug. Rich Baby I think about off it. I think where where's rich baby now because that? That baby was rich. Okay so Christina Maria! What are your final answers? Oh, you know because of all the ripple effects. I'm just going to keep her in the in the forest. Okay, I think it's you know because. Look It's hard to like apothecary knowing that right now. It's hard. My Gut would be just to lever. There is happy she's three. She doesn't know any better, but the right thing to do is what he does, which is. pull the rug out from this operation and expose everyone because they all should have known better and they all should have. Known that? We're consequences like what's to say that. If Casey Affleck doesn't turn Morgan Freeman in that in two years. Someone's not gonNA. Tournament or someone else some good deals, or is not going to call and figure it out. That's a great point, the yeah, that's true well when we meet them. They're leaving town so I think that that it you know they. They were GONNA. Like full on change identities. Maybe I don't know, but this reminds me of when they used to say well the key. There was a kid that got stolen kidnapped at Disneyland and they died. The kids hair in the bathroom. And the only reason they recognized him in the stroller on the way out is because they forgot to change the kids shoes. Oh My. Story for God. That is that real, or is that a that's urban legend. Override they put a wig on him. They didn't have to die as hair. No way we're kind of. Here's the Shailene. Roadway took off of A. World Wigan Hat. Why didn't they just put I? Don't know like him I guess they didn't sell those like costumes like they do now well. You aren't allowed to wear masks at Disneyland. Oh in the eighties. You okay well then. That's crazy that they didn't just do that. The high I would like to keep her just like oblivious and living in the forest, talking to birds like I, think that would be great for her, but he probably did the right thing by. Just, blowing it up and then painfully drinking it away every night when he tries to sleep, Oh okay, little fan fiction there, but. I'M Gone Baby Gone He likes the trouble he likes. He feeds off the trouble. We know that he lives in the gray. It's heart. You know I was I always thought I was thinking about what kind of big ones you guys would have today and I thought I. Remember the time there was like a baby, and they had to sacrifice the baby for the. Now there so much conversation, just kill the baby, you guys. Yeah! But you know it's not so easy. We also see yeah. We also have to think like. If you saw a child endanger like that. Would you take? Would you take here's Craig? Oh my God. Wow. He came back with some goodies. Healthy fats. Pickles it's just like. If you saw a child in danger up close, you might think differently you know, and that's what I also think. None of us are mother, and currently and I think that. If you ask them, mom, they might have a very. Different. Opinions going. which way though do you think I could go either way because I could see a mom, thinking the child should be with their bio, mom. By. The new sitcoms. Man Rich Bay by Imam. Bio, mom, get me out of this. Thursday. I oh mom. AP Bio Mommy. I love that show I was thinking that the mom would be judgy like like. You would want what's best for the kid. Maybe what's best is living a life of. Not Knowing, I think. I think a mom would say you don't know what that I think. The MOM would be like how Amanda was a minute ago and say these men can't take my baby from me. But you know what I would say. I have a dog so I'm GONNA. Put it in dog terms because we need this dog that somebody found in. Yes, the dog can't tell you, but let's say the three year old can't really tell you either. Human Child! Like. If someone came to me and said that is my dog, and how dare you take that dog for me and I was just wonderful life. She's concede cheese sleep in a bed like. She is beloved. How dare you have lost her in the first place? How dare you left her alone in the first place, I've fucking hunter. Don For me even if the dog is not biologically, mine is true, and now that you've said that Christine I do realize I was the Morgan Freeman in the situation how we got Margot. Pet Scroll. Down to Margo because I did. Kidnap Margot from her bio. That's making me think your bio, mom, you don't even know it I not bio, mom. Utility bio mom, okay guys well. Maria what's your final answer? And then we'll. Return you gotTa return the Kid, and then you've got to Babysit for the rest of your life. Then you have to just do what Casey. Affleck didn't look you know. Give that child the love with the mother there. Wow, okay well. You heard her here. Do we have a deer big ones? Is Great and you know it's funny as I've been seeing this dilemma, come up! There's like I'm always googling moral dilemmas from movies, and there's really only one list out there, and this one is always on that list I haven't seen yet for years, but we've never done it. I thought that was interesting. I'm sorry I got preoccupied by the sexy. Great. Well, it just helps visualize you know. Okay Man I just sent it to you. Okay? Here I'll pull it up. K.. O, you texted me okay, so now we have a deer, big ones coming in from one of our listeners dearborn big ones. Girls are the best I work as an accountant at a major firm in Houston. We totally work from home and do it all the time except now. They say that we can't. We are uncomfortable, but there are also rumors that those choosing to work from home will be the first to let go so I cannot afford to work from home just a few days ago. On June twenty four, th. The managing partner finally sent an email, saying that masks are mandatory. If you to the restroom kitchen or any other place that folks might be near today. I was walking. into the restroom as one of the toilets was flushing, one of my coworkers was walking out mask. Klis. What is worse is that she clearly did not wash her hands. It would have been impossible to do in such a short amount of time that the toilet was not even done flushing as miss massless walked by me. She looked at me with what what looked like embarrassment. I thought it was just because she was caught walking out without washing her hands, but I soon realized it was because the. The, Stall She used had pee all over it. There has been P that stall before like on the floor and seat. This happens about once a month, which now makes sense as she is an auditor only in the office once in a Blue Moon. Oh, usually works offsite when I was talking from a safe distance to a CO worker about the scene in the restroom, I saw Rachel walk out of the kitchen. This means she went straight from the restroom with her P hands to the kitchen. Coworkers said she said almost the exact same experience as I did the day before and another restroom. She said she saw Rachel leave the restroom without Washing Her hands and notice pee all over the stall. Obviously, we shouldn't all your hands after using the restroom, but especially during the current environment I'm afraid to talk to hr management as they think that Colbert is silly and anyone carry about masks as being dramatic or sheep wool cheapie she I don't know that word I feel. Like your sheep put S. H., e., p., l., e. sheep like people, but she people but she. I really cannot lose my job right now so I heard mentality. I'm at a loss for what to do. bask- love the masks accountant. This is horrifying I. Mean I just like I'm so sorry for anyone who has to put up with a work environment. That isn't taking this seriously. You're made to feel like a sheep will. I knew favorite word. I'm looking at sheep wool right now. I'm going to say a passive aggressive sign in the bathroom. Because what this young woman is doing, yeah, a peace sign, she is hovering people compared to sheep in being docile, foolish or easily lead sheep will. You should wear. A mask a sheep mask made so you're calling it out before they can call it you. What if she's there and you just by? What if she does that to you, I? Know, this woman is peeing on the secrecy. Hover Ping. Yes, she's hover pain and not clean up after she cares about her because she thinks that that not others okay. Oh, that's everybody. She hovers, but she doesn't cover. Says it. You better cover and then with a picture of a total everything cover. If you ever you better and then put the toilet seat cover. With her speaking. Would you use this and it's a toilet seat without this. It's the toilet seat cover will then why are you using this? And it's someone's face without this and it's a mask. It's equating people's faces to toilet bowls. Longtime since I've worked in office, but the passive aggressive sign I think is probably still. Yeah. The, we clean the refrigerator out on Fridays. Everything will be thrown away. Yeah, and I hate it in my personal life like I. Think it's like a bad technique to use with roommates and that sort of thing, but in an office space I actually think the passive aggressive sign is really important. You can make it fun, too, if you put a little joke in there and even. A veiled threat. You know like a smile you're on. You're on camera. Tell you where wink. and Nice Graphic Yeah uh-huh. Yeah. Now like Brad Pitt saying it. Now what are we thinking about the second part of this question, sweetie and cleaned the CD. Was that Christina. Sweetie cleaned the. Do not going to leave that they're not gonNA listen to that. That's too cute. They're gonNA. Look at that and they're going to scoff. Real say that if you do make a passive, aggressive sign, and this is something I've learned from motorhome drivers over the years. When we work out of on production, we work out of a motor home. There's always a handwritten sign just like. Printer paper and sharpy taped in the restrooms that say no feminine product you know. Don't use a lot of toilet paper and it's always handwritten. One time I said he just making my sign. Yeah, I get the motorhome systems. Are you know sensitive? He's like no one will read a print sign if you handwrite it. They think it just happened off. I was like that's what you need to do. You have to say urgent. That's whatever you right. You just have to write in sharpy urgent just. Are you have to handwrite. I just thought this usual trick. That's fascinating. We'll try I'm so into that. That's a hot tip that is because then. That's his something's wrong. With the thing you're using, and if you mess it up, then you're then you're done for otherwise it just like. Hey, keep our bathroom clean and a handwritten sign is. Someone's been to fix this already, and if you do it again your two year to be. More of a sense of urgency and a handwritten sign more judgment. You know I love that. Okay, so what about the second part of the dilemma? Where the office place is is judging people for taking Kobe seriously. That's really difficult because she can't go into the position where she's the person casting. Shame perverse shame works the same like you wear masks. Shame, you and you don't and shame. Yeah, so there's not really a good way to win there if the company is not taking stand. Yeah, but I would think that she could talk to hr about that because it really is like an issue. God forbid someone gets sick. I mean clearly. They're not the office that they're taking their temperature then before they go to the office now they are. Are saying that you are able to work from home, but there is some like it's a kind of work from home in quotation marks where it's actually found judgment, but could you just own that in? Say like great I'm taking you up on working from home and if they try to fire you for that right? Like isn't that and if they do for you, don't you just get to go on unemployment and maybe find a better job? I know that's easy to say an. Easy to say and not everyone can afford to risk their job. Obviously, but it's. It sounds like she might work for a privately on me and not like a major. Because that's why they have loosey Goosey hr go. This is a man I within the last couple of weeks have become big corporate heads. We think the corporations are getting. Get us through this pandemic 'cause. They're the only ones that don't WanNa. Get sued Yeah, it comes down to liability. And maybe that's where that's the angle. Because litigious people do get hurt, so she says look. I'm really concerned that you're putting my health at risk. This independent contractor does not take anything seriously when she comes here. Or I have seen like there's definitely like health risks and liability. I think the standards and practices would be all over it, but if they don't think cove is a liability in the beginning, then she's back to square one why she's writing. Can you do this? Can you leave A hand-written sign up on the HR department store saying urgent and it says Gosh I would sure hate for you to get sued by someone who's immune immuno-compromised. Wink wink. Please flush. Do you. But they're not gonNA. Get Cova from urine. That's the like there's two issues one like non sanitary into right, but you know right. I don't know we don't know. I think you just have to do it. You have to do to protect your unhealth, so that means people are laughing at you, but you're wearing your mask do that. Wash your hands as much as you can. If you dare I, suggest working from home, and just not assuming that people are frowning upon and just confidently doing from. Can you work from home just part of the week like He. Can you say like Oh Tuesdays and Thursdays I come into the office and the rest of the day. Could you split the difference to passively aggressively? Yeah, we're figuring figure out the days Rachel comes in in. Or on the days, Rachel comes in where a big raincoat and when she walks in the door like open an umbrella. And that we were going to order those big Amazon inflatable suits that cover you that are like weird green screen Halloween's just to be covered and go out the sumo wrestler suits. Dinosaur. No, they're more abstract. They're just color, just color and inflatable. That's it. There's no I what you could try and else you could do to is when you see her. Come into the office, you run to the bathroom and then. Draw a clown face on the Mir and so when she used it. Yeah, and which so when she goes to the bathroom and she comes out, she'll see herself in the mirror and go see the clown that she really is. A CLOWN! Why don't you just take a mask on the mirror I? IDEA. So, she'll go. Wow, it doesn't look bad. Yeah, he. I do because. I. Would you know everyone's ready to snap right now? So I don't know I think she takes all of this advice in when she does see. Rachel is underwriting. Over. That's funny. You should say that 'cause actually I think. The guide person did say her name is Rachel in the email that I left it out. Oh, you said Rachel I. Did yeah I think she should just snap at the woman I think she's you just snap, and then you just say like I had a covid like I had my anxiety in this pandemic. Like, she should say something to buy. Mother would say something her like we're being all nice and polite with the passive, aggressive office sign, but my mom would have just gone like. Really. Yeah, you're not washing your hands. Don't be a doormat. Don't be the office doormat. No! Be The office. I think the offense a handwritten sign. I think you could like. You could put it in a way. Say Like Oh, I'm so sorry with in front of the sink. Do you need to wash your hands? You could just wait furner in the math room and just call her on that behavior passing aggressive. Because you know you could, just you could go like I don't feel comfortable you coming in here peeing all over the ground, not wearing a mask and wash your hands like it's literally. Approach would actually be great is trash has? And, also put the passive aggressive I just I need I, need you to write a passive, aggressive sign, and then take a picture of it plans to us. I would say that if she did. Snap at Rachel. With a company that doesn't have like intense procedures in place that she would be fine, right? She's like I'm not working from home I snapped at this like really insensitive freelancer and just go back to work. I with you. Happen I like it. and. Working girl when Melanie Griffith finally tell somebody off and they all cheer. You, did it she tells off the guy is putting like. She puts the stuff in the ticker tape. When they're like totally a man splitting to her, and then all they all cheer. That may not be it. How will you have? Yeah, have your working grow moment. Take us. Take this girl. You know. What because actually see look at me? I'm flip-flopping. Just like I thought. I wouldn't, but I think you just tell her. Because you know what life is short, we could all drop dead in one week or in our might did and that's what Rachel's making sure of. Amanda that. Good. Luck Well Christina. This has been so great. Do you have to? Have anywhere clerk. You will find you what's going on. Nothing is going on a non essential worker. I am a I am a good supporter in the group so. Look for Mark McConville. Everyone checkout field notes brand. He just did a song for their summer campaign for heavy duty. Cool, yeah, he had a lot of fun writing the song so check that out. Awesome well, you can reach us at the big ones. PODCAST it. She mails dot com. You can tweet us at the big ones pot. And you can call us at. Six, sixty, six, six or six acres two to two. And Christian is not real yet surreal. You. Phone numbers. Won't do people use them for another podcast that we don't get many for for big ones, but web crawlers gets a ton of calls and be alarmist. The alarmist gets them to. You, guys, this has been such an honor I'm a fan of the show. I'm behind my episodes because they don't really go anywhere. Unlike my husband, who's happy to listen to a podcast doing just about anything for me? It's always been like A. Car. So so this is great. You're such a wonderful guest. Thank you, Hugh. I have lots of opinions I really do. So thanks for letting me share, we knew you would. I do and we still need to talk about wearing hats and widely pants, and that's right. Episode you had a lot of thoughts on that. You said if I just start wearing hats that I'll get used to it. Well I would. I would give you the three to five point system of how to wear a hat. I wear it in your house. Second, where it to a place, where no one knows you, and then third where its place where someone calls your name, takeout, place or starbucks like God i just got exiled thinking about that well, no. Hat on. No, because by that point conditioning yourself. On Your House. And, it's like okay I'm wearing in my house. Whatever it's costing piece then you go somewhere where no one knows Maria and doesn't know Maria doesn't wear hats. Right so you're just a person wearing at I wanna no big deal, and then the big test is when you. Go and they're like marina answer to any. To it because what you hear, US Maria. Where's hats? It? Pick up your coffee and they'd just go big hat. Then, then you have. Then, you know well I think seen. Genius Advice. I actually think like I've kind of subconsciously been doing that. With some weird things I like you of start slow and you then you and then it's like nothing. It's like you forgot. You know you used to not wear the hat. Yeah. I want that I had to wait till I was sixty a house dress like a movie house dress, and then I was like live. You know what I want. The breeze I want the effortless. She sheikhdom of Vacation Life Kaftan. great see embryo I support you, but we can talk more about hat I do want to get her in some widely pants, though symbol Ohio's did. It looks. Like some sailor so cute on us a little t shirt. Like a little crops, t! Easy yeah, no, well. We'll you know next time when you get back when when I when when we go out when this this pandemic ends and we get dressed up to go out for a night on the town, you can put me in some wide like pads. and T and a hat, and then you'll see me thrive. That's a great with the block. She'll. Shit. WHOA casino. Thanks for being on and thank you all listening to move.

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#723: Top 5 Overlooked Films of the 2000s / Madness Final / Assassination of Jesse James

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#723: Top 5 Overlooked Films of the 2000s / Madness Final / Assassination of Jesse James

"What kind of show you guys? Putting on here today on interested in now. Going to do this thing going to have a conversation. From chicago. This is film spotting I met him camping are and I'm Josh Larsen. This morning on my daddy was lonely over. Here. It is just past midnight. I've already robbed a railroad train. I'm sitting in Iraq and chair chat with another Jesse James. It's wonderful world. Casey affleck. With Brad Pitt in the assassination of Jesse James by the coward, Robert Ford, and for fans of the two thousand seven Andrew Dominik film. It is a wonderful world. Indeed, add on the outside looking in before the start of this year's film, spotting madness best of the two thousands turnament. And now here it is getting the sacred cow treatment Jesse James considered by many of its fans and overlooked masterpiece from this century's first decade, we give it another. Look n share our top five overlooked films of the two thousand plus the film. Spotting madness championship match is set. It's all ahead on film spotty. Welcome to film spotting. It's good to be back. Thanks for holding down the fort last week Joshu and Michael Phillips reviewed the new Dumbo. Tim Burton's dumb. But I know you're sorry miss that and hedger fun with a top five movies circus acts, and I thought it was a fun top five. Even if I hadn't heard of half of the movies, Michael pick. All man, he went full Michael Philip think every pick was earlier than nineteen fifty four. I wanted to say and a testament to a good review. I was compelled to listen to the entire conversation all twenty minutes, plus about Dumbo, we went long a movie, I guarantee you. I will never see preserve no chance for sure that as well. I did not expect the review to go that long. He was a little agitated Michael was. Yeah. I can appreciate that Phil spotting madness. Of course, we started with sixty four films from the two thousands this week. We get down to the final two not the final two that salmon I predicted when we came up with the seating for the tournament, but pretty close so. So we will have the final four results and that championship match a bit later in the show. Plus, we will share our top five overlooked movies of the two thousands. Did you have any special criteria? You want to divulge now other than movies that didn't make the film spotting madness cut? Not even that not short at all shortlist. No, no specific criteria. I will get into this. When we set up our lists. I had a formula that didn't really make it any easier for me. This was kind of hard great before we do that though the true winner of films. Spotty madness is the assassination of Jessie James after fans of film, championed it as the overlooked movie of the two thousands. We decided to lift it out of obscurity and give it the sacred cow treatment is children. No father made his living or why they so often they didn't even know their father's name. He regretted neither his robberies nor the seventeen murders that he laid claim to. And on September fifth eighteen eighty one Jesse James was thirty four years old. Another Jesse James manny's, I stayed up. My open my mouth open reading about your. All she knew. It is interesting ways. You overlap. You're the youngest of three James boys on the youngest five four voice. You have blue eyes though is your five feet eight inches tall on five feet. Eight inches tall. Believe I'm destined for great things. James? It's two thousand seven atom. Maybe not the best time to release a two hour and forty minute. Art, western even if it does star Brad Pitt the assassination of Jesse James by the coward. Robert Ford came out in October of that year it received some acclaim our friend, Scott Tobias was an early enthusiast, and I also gave it a hearty recommendation at the time, but very little in the way of box office in the US it made three point nine million dollars on a thirty million dollar budget that makes its to Oscar nominations Casey Affleck for supporting actor, and Roger deacons for cinematography, all the more impressive. It seems audiences. And even a fair amount of critics, though, just weren't in the mood for a moody meditation on the final days of the outlaw Jesse James played by Pitt as largely seen through the eyes of the man who murdered him played by Affleck since then however director Andrew Dominik film has slowly. But surely gathered a passionate following for me. Any reasons including one that listener Tim closure wanted to make sure we consider Adam. And Josh this is Tim Clova shar, formerly of Minneapolis. Now. Charlottesville Virginia just calling in to say, I'm really happy to hear that you're gonna be reconsidering the assassination of Jesse James by the coward. Robert ford. I love the movie for a lot of reasons, but I wanted to focus on the aspect of the film that makes the most hopeful that Adam reconsider his initial take on it. It has to do with the section of the film that follows the events that are laid out in the title, Robert Ford becomes nationally famous after killing Jesse. And then he and his brother Charlie leverage that fame into stage performance where they reenact that betrayal of Jesse on a nightly basis. The performance includes several details consistent with the way, the movie shows the killing Jesse getting up on a chair to fix the picture. Bob shooting him from behind jesse's wife screaming, but a few other details indicate how the production is meant to flatter Bob. Especially in the way, the spotlight hits him after he kills Jesse the way that he spins. Revolver before whole stirring, the gunslinger imagined himself to be and the way that he says triumphantly, and that's how I kill Jesse James. It's like he was inserting himself into the tales of derring do of the James gang contained in the books that he used to hide under his bed the ones that even Jesse said we're full of lies this preoccupation with history. And how choose to remember it in order to justify the present the way that we so casually transpose myth and reality that's one of the great themes of the western genre. And I think that play between artifice and truth is what is truly the great ace certified fee, Matic content, relevant Adam Kemp Nour's interests in this film. So I hope you enjoy your rewatch guys. And I look forward to listening to your discussion. Thanks so much. Thank you, Tim. So what say you, Adam? I think it does make sense to start at the ending here with this curious extended coda, how did that work for you? A specially in relation to these themes that Tim mentioned. This time around was the assassination of Jessie James Kemp, our catnip yet. Tim knows me very well apparently. And I would say that it was I was in long before that epilogue or that coda that we get though. And of course, that myth versus reality element that Tim touches on that's in every frame of this film long before we get to that point. I think I was mostly in because of the direction, and because of deacons cinematography and listener, Adam Grossman who was the leader of the Jesse James cult on Twitter, urging it into madness urging this sacred cow review into being he touched on it in an Email. He sent us in Michael actually touched on it last week briefly when he was commenting on the movie the best sequence in this film is that train robbery. And I think we can get into the elements of that they're really stood out. But I do love everything that happens in this film post killing of Jesse James, including that Nick cave performance. We get the bar with Bob Ford right there to listen. To Nick cave's version of now this legend, and I love that the most Bob can counter with now that he's being portrayed in this song is to point out that the singer got the number of James children wrong that one little factual misstep somehow undoes everything else. Right. And that dramatization we get on stage that Tim touched on is really stunning as well. There's a moment where the narration touches on how they were regarded as actors, and it's suggested that Bob is actually thought of as a fairly good actor, and that Sam Rockwell's brother, Charlie is a bad actor, but there's actually not a bit of truth in either performance, which is really what every actor is trying to get at. And we know that this is all this grant. Embellishment. But then something changes, and that's what I really love when Charlie becomes not only drunker, but more disillusioned more haunted by what they've done. And I think it's worth noting here in the grand scheme of things isn't he actually the bigger cowered in this scenario is that maybe even some part of the shame all of this. He's the guy that stood there with the gun drawn. But when the moment called for it. He couldn't do it. Yes, doesn't make the decision in that moment. But he does become the character. Jesse James he inhabits the man we saw as played. By Brad, Pitt the way he walks the way, he talks, even the script changes. They really unnerve, Bob. So there's the suggestion that this whole play only kinda sticks together and really in some ways their sanity only sticks together if both men can continue to buy into this myth that they themselves have created in perform this version of events that ultimately suits them best once that's shattered. They really can't go on. I think it's ironic too. If you remember that great line early in the film where Jesse asks Bob, are you trying to be like me, or are you trying to be me? This is finally Bob's chance to actually impersonate Jesse. Of course, he wouldn't do that in the scenario, but he could be the one playing Jesse. And instead, of course, it's his brother doing that. He's gonna play the role that he actually had in this scenario, even if. It is mostly fiction, and I do see that as maybe the ultimate sort of proclamation of his identity, which he was always trying to get at. He was trying to get at it through Jesse James attached to that myth and establish himself. It's also ironic that only in death does he actually become like Jesse? It's only by the very end of the film when we see that the world now has developed this understanding of who he is they have now their own kind of legend attached to him. And they think they know who he is in what he is. That's no longer all how he sees himself in some ways, I think this movie is always dealing with that idea that Jesse of course, never sees himself the way the rest of the world does. And when his life is taken he's assassinated two and we've been in athletes performance a little bit in those closing epilogue scenes the weariness that haunted. Look the way he even walks through that bar and talks to people seems to resemble the way Jesse spoke to people and some. Of those flashback scenes. So it's finally there where he does get to take on some kind of the stature and the character of Jesse. And of course, it's only in that fleeting moment in his death. Which is ultimately the tragedy of the movie, I think on one level and there's insult to injury. There too is because he's still playing second fiddle. I mean, his legend is not as big it's nowhere near as big. And I like that the coda also allows us that time to see him post fame post stage fame at least where he's had to recognize where he has fallen how far he's fallen. If you want to describe it that way. So you talked a lot about performances there in the code in those stage sequences, and I like it to maybe the thing. I like most about it is that it cements this movie as belonging to the second name in the title that this is really about Bob Ford, this film, ultimately in the coda makes that clear for me. So I like that about it as well. But let's talk more about performances and just get. Right to the main performance in this film, because I remember being really impressed in supplies didn't know much of Aflac before this film was aware of him. But certainly not that he had this inside him thought. It was great the first time around this time around probably my favorite element in the move. Yes. Just having seen what he's done sense. I think sometimes that feeds into our pre of an early performance from an actor when you realize he he had this in them. And he did a lot more with it after that. That's certainly the case with Aflac here and the way he registers I as this celebrity Stocker is so sly at that campground before that first robbery where he's he's always on the edges waiting for his it's super awkward. It's like if you've ever been in a scenario where people are waiting for their chance to to sneak in and say something to a famous person. That's how Aflac is playing right. He's just waiting for that pause, and then he jumps in. And it's just cringe inducing to watch. He's so good there. Then later on he gives that amazing dinnertime speech. It might be the same senior referencing where he talks about the similarities between him and Jesse James and brings up something. Like both of them have brothers whose names have the same number of letters. And that's you know, it's clear before this. But that's when it becomes clear should be clear to Jesse that. This guy's a little off that he's clinging to something like that to allow the legend to also include him in some way, and this time it really struck me probably because I had not seen king of comedy. When I first saw assassination of Jessie, James. But this Bob Ford is like a combination of he's somewhat of a throwback to Niro's Rupert, pumpkin. And then also precursor someone else who brought to mind was Jake Jilin halls. Creepy Lew bloom in night crawler, then you kind of touched on it in your description there where he he almost doesn't have his own identity. If you asked who is Bob Ford, you couldn't answer that at the end of this movie because he's always trying to be something else. I. Lou bloom had that too. And the last thing I really appreciated about athletes performance. Here is Bob always wears this shit eating grin, right? And throughout the film. And he knows it the difference between Casey Affleck, and Ben Affleck is that Ben Affleck has that same grin of a lot of his performances, but he doesn't seem to realize that and Casey Affleck wears it, knowing it something in the dirty nine that he gives us, and it it's just that extra level and ability. I think that distinguishes them as actors and certainly Casey Affleck puts too perfect use in this performance. Yeah. It was another quick comment. Michael made on last week show that I heard actually just this morning that really encapsulated from me, which is that Casey does not play Bob Ford with any need or sense of likability whatsoever. Completely willing to have the audience not really have any sympathy for him whatsoever. And I think very early on even as he's talking to Sam Shepard's Frank the brother to Jesse there is maybe a moment. Or two where you think man, this guy is being really hard on him, and he clearly just wants to establish himself give the kid a break. And at that point. We don't really know him side a little bit. But then all we need is about thirty more seconds to realize that he's going to test our patients, and there is his ability to be almost sniveling and conniving one moment. And then so innocent and naive the next. I don't know how Casey Affleck is able to pull it off. But he does of course, I also want to talk about Brad Pitt was as Jesse James a key part of my initial mixed reaction to this film in two thousand seven before I get into what I thought of this time. I'm curious if you had any change in your take on his performance, the first time, I think what I really keyed into about this film overall and pit was crucial to that is that it was this parallel to what it's like to live as celebrity, and I could understand what attracted pit to the role and that point is career. I think he was post to oceans films already. So he was an enormous star. And this is very much about how other people relate to stars how stars carry themselves and hold that myth even contemporary movies. So it was an easy standing I think that made it really interesting to me. I think looking at a now, and in the context of where it would go I think he was simultaneously not quite ready for this type of movie, but also perfectly cast if that makes any sense he was on the verge of stuff like a Benjamin button, which I like more than most people moneyball tree of life. I think are all really strong Brad Pitt performances different than the star or stuff he'd been doing earlier, but he was still mostly star here. He was right on the verge of those in this movie absolutely uses that element that star quality here. And also the undercutting of it to allow him. Now, it's very purposeful. How he looks in this film. He's not blonde Brad Pitt. Right. He looks older. He's pay. Taylor. And this all goes into the aesthetic of this. But he's got wrenching the risk out of is lacking white. He's always wearing. And he's still Brad Pitt. Did hasn't completely been scrubbed off them? And I think that's important. So I think it's a good performance. I think it's one of his better ones. I don't know if it's as layered and skilled as some of the performances we get from him later. Maybe I was more open to it. Because I I was just an early fan of pits presence on screen. So I never really had anything against him. And I do like that element of self. Critique here, it's crucial Jesse James likes the flattery. He gets from Bob, you know, and his dally for like he keeps him around at all -solutely. And that's downfall thing about the scene where he tells him to read that newspaper clip about the James gang. That's sort of this. He recognizes the simpering he's not a fool. He sees. Bob's ill intentions to some degree. But he just can't resist the flattery. Yeah. So one major change in my take on Pitt's performance. This time. Is that overall I have much more admiration for it? And I was not an early adopter to liking pit as a performer. I think it might have been moneyball really that turned a corner from me and then tree of life. And I think we've seen some really good performances since one thing that did not change. So just bear with me for twenty or thirty seconds. Here is how painfully irritating. I do think he is in the first third of the film. I think there is a real shift in his performance as the character and the story line shift a little bit. But from the very first time we meet him. He still doing that. Brad Pitt tick thing with his mouth where he can't spend more than a half a second onscreen without doing something distracting with his lips. And I wish I had. And I almost did this. I almost digitize the movie and put together a super cut over the lip smacking and all that would have been. I'm glad you didn't do that. I almost did it though just because like you're sitting there. I know you're looking at me going Adam this is just something gotta get over. If I showed it to you in like ninety second clip you'd go. Okay. Yeah. He's doing something there. There's no I believe it it sometimes involves eating. It's it's a tick though, that he had even before this role in the first part of this film. It's all over it. It's half of his performance as rusty and ocean's eleven hundred percent is and I think even there it's a way pit somehow thinks by giving that character those ticks, it's giving the character character. And that's the problem. He's going for some kind of insouciance that for me again is just pure distraction. And if anything on rewatch, I found it more noticeable and distracting one line that did stand out to me, though, from the voice over when they're talking about Frank his brother leaving and the loss. He felt when he heard about jesse's passing. There's a line in there where it says he had spurned his younger brother for being put culinary and temperamental. And I thought well, you know, all. Stuff with the mouth peculiar peculiar? So maybe pit was going for that. Okay. Before you get to the transition where you came around on the performance. Let me just suggest that maybe this was part of the plan. And I don't know how intentional Pitt was in this. But maybe in the casting they thought we're going to give the myth the man the legend in the first third because this entire film, slowly drains the myth away. That's that's the point of the movie right is to undercut that myth, and it works to give you Brad Pitt. And then take it away from him where he gets CLYDE or now, I don't know. I didn't do as close of a study the mouth movements. Maybe they're just as many in the final two nerds. There sounds like they're not. At least eight detention. I do wonder if this is part of strategy to say, okay, let's take some of that away. Let's be more still whatever the direction was is to undercut Brad the legend. Yeah. While we love to believe that it was all by design. But again knowing how much has gone on and other pit performances. I do think it was a device on his part away to get into the character. And I can applaud him for that. But I don't think it works on screen in that Email. I mentioned from listener Adam Grossman, he mentions that apparently Jesse James himself, even at some point in his life referenced Julius Caesar and feeling like Caesar, and of course, I'm going off of what I know historically, but the Shakespeare play and for me there are shades of Julius Caesar, of course, all over this movie. But in addition to thinking of him, and that betrayal on the level of Julius Caesar. I think there's at least some suggestion of a Christ figure in him too in perhaps the sacrifice he makes at the end of the film, which is something we can get into a little bit more. But he is such a mythical figure, and this movie does very clearly sort of pull on both ends of that rope trying to further mythologies him. And then at once d. Mythologies him. But he's such a mythical figure that in addition to Jesus in addition to Julius Caesar I saw him as this almost supernatural presence. He takes on this role almost of death. He basically becomes a grim reaper goes through a good chunk of this film travels place to place man to man, bringing with him fear and misery and ultimately to a lot of these people death, and as pit transitions into that Jesse James he becomes that paranoid grim reaper. He's really fascinating. All the lips of does completely disappear. It's replaced by that icy cold stare. It's replaced by a sadness to that overwhelms the performance in a good way knowing that everything he has done in his life has led him to this which is a life mostly on the run, and he surrounded by people who claim to love and adore him these sycophants who really ultimately are just constantly lying to him and betraying him. And along the way, he's even compromising his own values. And that's an element forgotten about from the two thousand seven viewing of this. Film. Originally, we see him in some of those moments where he becomes in his rage. A person that he clearly is not comfortable with him being. And you see those wounds in Pitt's performance, he's not shy about letting that come through. I think he actually plays Jesse has remarkably self-aware where he understands the effect that his character is supposed to have on a room when he walks into it. There's even a line in the voice over I think early on describing his alternate identity. Someone who made any room warmer soon as he came end will the pit we see the Jesse James we see later he brings a chill in every single room. He walks into and that's sense of shame and disgust with himself. There's a self loathing that I think is something he can't hide the man Jesse James can't hide and also to that entire less seen with him. And how that completely plays out beat by beat that moment of resigning himself to his death, and the heaviness of that moment. That's a moment where pit doesn't rely on sort of any movie star tricks or the charisma of it. He just allows himself to exist in that space, this odd kind of limbo this moment between life and death. Where time seems to stop. It is interesting that the movie presents at least I read it this way as a deliberate choice. Absolutely oh for him to allow Bob Ford to commit this act. And I guess there's a parallel where he might be a Christ figure. I think probably it's more record to say that Bob Ford is a Judas figure than that is a criminal trail. Yeah. I think there's you know, I think Jesse James daughter even might be reading from the bible or something right parallel to that scene. So there are definitely some elements of that going on and yeah, the weight pit carries that weight in the latter half of this film where this guy thinks you can read it in his face that all of the adventure. Which is how it's been presented in these books. And maybe lived by him to some degree. How has it led to this? It's this cornered sense that he definitely carries. So you mentioned in there. The narration, and we definitely need to spend some time on that. It's Hugh Ross doing this very novelist description of some events. And I thought it had just the right? I guess you could call it old timey enthusiasm, which might be drawn from those pulp novels the pulp westerns, but it also has little flourishes of high minded like classic literature. And then there's just a dash of modern skepticism that is very crucial. So it's sort of it's almost like a literary variation on those pub westerns that Bob Ford would read it's pulling from them. But doing something different. It's essentially doing the narration alone is doing what this entire film intends to do. So maybe you could say it's not necessary. But I did like still on this repeat viewing the element that brought to for sure I think the l-. Language, gives it a grandiosity that then something in his voice undercuts. The movie is doing those two things at once. And I think I just love to that. I don't know the voice, I don't recognize the voice and something about that detachment from it actually allows me to kind of look at it through that lens. And that's gonna come up more here in a moment of this myth making that the movie is as we said at once engaged in and also trying to subvert one of the things about jesse's character. And as all these legends are told about him, and we even see Bob writing as if he's maybe going to Penn in new tale of jesse's adventures with him, of course, part of it is he never gets to tell his story, right? As this whole thing is about storytelling on some level. His life depends on his anonymity. He's as we said, maybe a little bit of a grim reaper figure. He's a ghost. He's a boogeyman in some ways. He's even although he's real. He's flesh and blood. He's a fictional character. He someone that all these tailplane some. Yeah. All these tales have created a new version of Jesse James that he really isn't. And so many others really everyone that's in his orbit. Bob ford. Of course, one of these people. They just want to siphon from him as much as they can to create this new perfect story for themselves, and you mentioned the touch I love. Is that moment where he takes off the guns and sacrifices himself? If you will to Bob shooting him striking him down in that moment, it occurred to me in thinking about it, though within this framing of storytelling and how he never gets to tell his own story. He doesn't that moment. And I think he probably was aware of it. I think this character that we see on screen is probably aware in this moment that one moment alone is going to shape forever. The public's perception of what Bob Ford does to shoot because the troll. Yes. Taking control of his story in that moment. Even though it's actually in a passive moment. He's making an active choice, but he is giving himself over to a Bob wants to do. He does not fight back at all in that scene. And yet somehow he does control the narrative because it's in that one aspect mainly that he was unarmed and shot in the back that the public forever views Bob Ford as a coward. So is that maybe partly a motivation for? Keeping Bob around. We speculated before is. It was just the praise. Maybe this is like a long game. That plane is is thinking this is going to end bad family. Why don't I try to craft that? And here's a primary person. I could manipulate have that happen because he's definitely as you're saying, he's definitely aware of his legend. He's reading the newspaper clips, so. Yeah, if he wanted to choose how he went out, maybe this was one way to do it. Yeah. And as we've touched on, I think this is a movie this fundamentally about perspective. It's about what prism we choose to view the world through and that key line, the tragic line at the end is that moment where Bob tells us. He's actually telling Zoe dish anelle, this love interest character that she plays at the end of the film that he was only twenty years old when he did this the thing that's going to forever define him and brand him as a man in the public eye and the line that is so important to this film. I think is he says I couldn't see how it would look to people. He couldn't see he had no sense of in the moment. He knew what he was doing it. And he certainly was a lot more conflicted emotional about it than the character version. He plays on stage when he tries to make it seem more heroic. And maybe a little more justified somehow, but he couldn't see how it would look to people in this movie is very much about that. Especially in the imagery and the way. Yes. Dominic in deacons, choose to shoot a lot of these scenes. I love that use of the blurring we get on so many of those images, and I assumed the time I saw it. And in starting this film that it was a technique designed to replicate these kind of old time photographs that you are. That you the images. Exactly, even the ones we see his body. Right. End of the film. And I think that's true. And in fact, I saw a quote somewhere today from Roger Deakins who said, yeah, we were going for that. It was meant to be vodka tive in that way at the same time. It finally hit me after seeing so many examples of it in the film that just as much as it's echoing those photographs it's also Mirroring the glass that we are always looking through in that warp of the glass, how many shots think about in this film. Do you get where someone looks out their window to someone sometimes Jesse writing up and writing towards them, and they're looking at them through that pane of glass and things are distorted just a little bit. And I only noticed at one time significantly with Jesse. And it's just before he dies, which in some ways. I look at to is another moment that's D mythology him there because it's not the Brad Pitt the gorgeous. If whether Brad Pitt. We get in that moment. Just before he dies. He knows it's coming. He's standing at the couch. He's looking out the window and dominant cuts to his shot from outside looking through the window Jesse and Pitt's face in that moment, it becomes completely deformed almost like a Picasso painting where I is because of the distortion of the frame there are so many reflections in this film to just before he dies, obviously in the picture frame his face in the ice that he shoots at at one point. And some of the other visual choices that really stood out to me here that I love the point of view shot. Again, all about perspective the point of view shot when Bob Ford walks into the James household leading into the end of the film this time when he's come back, and Mary Louise Parker as jesse's wife says, oh, I didn't know, Bob. Smells out at the very beginning. But it's a POV shot that we don't even know. I don't think is appeal Vishakha. I we don't see Bob walking in before we see the shot that is essentially his perspective. And we know that this is all leading up to the assassination. That's why he knows that. He's there. We don't know. Exactly. What moment it will come. But that's why they've arrived at this moment together. And when he walks in that house, we get from his point of view him walking into the kitchen, and it's a shot of the whole family United what consequences of his actions, and what he's going to destroy our their on screen for him to consider at if he's not smart enough or empathetic enough to see we as viewers certainly are aware of it in that moment that it's not just the husband and wife meeting each other, but the entire family unit embracing at that stove is what he's seeing in that moment and one more that watching this at home on demand. I was able to rewind and look at it again because I had no idea what was happening. But I do think it just fits into this this overall scheme of things being distorted things. Being blocked of perspective being questioned is the moment. That's also in this and sequence when they're at the James house and Sam Rockwell is off to the side. It's a morning and Bob comes out just to wash his face in the water. And we see him washing splashing his face with the water and a one point dominant cuts to what his point of view would be with the hands closing on his face. Just for a split second. We get the darkness of those hands coming up in covering his eyes, which I think to echoes some of those moments of the film when candles go out or any other moments where sort of the the light fades away. It's another moment. Like that. That is actually very jarring. I think that sequence with water is also where I'm guessing it's a higher frame rate there. There's something place where it gets a little jittery and heightened and suddenly you become hyper aware of of something that just feels like there's something in the air. And of course, there is that that's the moment of decisiveness. Really, so yes, all that visual warping is absolutely crucial. What makes it more than just I mean, it would be cool if it was just evoke in the air, but what makes it more valuable than that are the the Matic relationships that you laid out nicely there. But I also you have to say there are just some pure beautiful mythology ising westerner shots here as well. Because as we've said a couple times now the movies trying to do both things. So you have to have the image of Jesse James writing over a hill at sunset and blocking out the sun one that I absolutely loved which is as much camera placement as cinematography and this'll probably bring us to that train robbery. At the beginning. One way we understand this is about to really happen is when Jesse for the it field trout, but then we get just we can't feel what he feels. But we can't see the pebbles start to fall down around his and realize it's on its way. So that's those are mythology ising shots, and it's. That you get one of those at the beginning because we're still in the myth there. Right. It hasn't really been an it's a question. I have for you when it comes to the robbery sequence where they do stop this train in the middle of the woods. They get on board and are there moments. What what's maybe an early clue in that sequence that this isn't going to be the sort of traditional western we might expect in the way this plays out. Did anything jump out at you? I don't know that I'm going to touch on the one year exactly thinking of. But certainly by the time things start to go wrong. And that includes just seeing the look of terror on the guy's face who they're trying to get to open the safe and the way Jesse treats him and the way he reacts to then when blood is actually spilled in that scene. I think is one of those moments that Nassau's really question. How much we want to prop up Jesse James as a hero in the scenario? And that directly counters the build up your, right? I love that moment that sensory aspect to it. Because at once. It struck me as almost the supernatural ability. It's not of course, it's very tangible reality based thing that he's doing. But who would think to do that who would think to know the trains coming because they feel the vibration almost makes Jesse James this this character who so attached to his environment? So in sitting at him standing on the track the moment. I mean, that's the moment. I actually here in my notes, I grabbed the frame and put it in here. So I could just look at it while we were talking and the way the light from the train is shot coming through the trees, the complete darkness around them him silhouetted completely in black hist carrying the lantern. But other than that the way that light is coming at him again at of folks to me this notion of the afterlife, some kind of liked that is racing towards him in this moment. He's actually walking away from it walking back to the barricades stepping away. But he also looks like this deathly figure in that moment who could be coming out of it towards us, and it is without. Question a moment meant to mythologies in the way. He's even just standing dead center in the frame on the tracks. His presence there is breathtaking. And then even the way before that deacons and Dominic show, the members of the gang with their masks on and the way the light just kind of goes through the tree they're in the. Yeah, he just punctuates the trees, and they almost look like ghosts with their white hoods on out there waiting. That's the moment where I was like, okay, I'm on board with the rest of this film. And you almost think at first that this is a budgetary trick like there because it's a relatively low budget film. Maybe they couldn't afford a whole train, and they didn't need it. The way the lighting through those trees captures the passing of writing through the forest. That's I mean, that's really I would have believed. There was a train. They're not needed to see them get on one, but they actually do and. Yeah, those are some of the D massaging touches that come early on the ones you mentioned. And I think when he is about to kill the train operator and one of the members of of the gang pull him back. And you see there's a there's a cruelty there that I think gets exacerbated as he gets more paranoid for sure later in the film, but we also see right away that there is a meanness in this guy that doesn't necessarily go with this. You know, Robin Hood type myth that is building up around him. You know, your knees? Why? Prey. Gone kitty. You're going to have to make me. The assassination of Jesse James by the coward robber Ford. Hopefully that was a good enough discussion. Josh for the Cultus out there. We will wait to hear from Tim. We'll wait to hear from Adam and many others. The movie is available to rent on most platforms or at your local library. It is not available in a criterion collection edition yet. If the James cultists needed new project, I'm sure they can get on that. If you have seen the film recently in agree or disagree with our takes. We'd love to hear from you feedback at films spotting dot net. Film spotting madness is down to its final two combatants. We'll share that match up next. Then dive into the film spotting top five overlooked movies of the two thousands. Stay with us. Shit. Slow down. Off cope. I do. She does book. The may ship the new amount. The emphasis. The late Agnes Varda with the photographer. JR in the pairs twenty seventeen Oscar nominated documentary faces places for those who don't speak French in that scene. Varda JR visiting the grave of the great French photographer, Cartier, Brisson JR asks Varda, if she's afraid of death. She says she doesn't think so but admits to thinking about it a lot then says she's looking forward to it. And when he asks her why she says because that will be that in a perfectly pithy response from the great Agnes Varda. I saw that line a lot being a vote in various tributes to her this past week in understandably so far passed away just this last week at the age of ninety and yeah, I think in her last couple of films there was always an element of her wrestling with her own mortality or her aging. None I can think of in her in her in her honesty about let's say it may have been in the gleaners. And when the camera might have been another. Culinary where the camera just rests on her hands. And she makes a comment about how they've changed over the years in all those years Varda had fifty four directing credits that began in nineteen fifty four with LaPointe court ended with documentary memoir Varda by Agnes that just had its premiere in February at the Berlin International Film festival for you. And I add them. I think we had both seen Cleo from five to seven years earlier, but really our main introduction, or at least immersion in Varda's work came back in two thousand seventeen when we did a six film Varda marathon, we plan that before we knew anything about faces places coming out that was just for to. It's we included LaPointe court the creatures one sings the other doesn't vagabond I would put up there as her other masterpiece that I've seen in addition to Cleo, the gleaners, and I and the beaches of Agnes for me, gleaners wasn't my favorite film of that marathon. But it's the one that I still. Think maybe sums up her artistic approach the best gleaning in everyday people and places maybe not always finding beauty but being open to that possibility and in doing so she often found it. Yeah. In keeping with one of our topics this week, our top five overlooked films of the two thousands. I almost did cheat and have a Varda pairing at number one because both the gleaners. And I and the beaches of Agnes would qualify both films from two thousand to two thousand nine and I think that as a pairing. They worked perfectly to sum up her endeavor as an artist in. Yes, I might actually point people. I two vagabond or Cleo from five to seven as a starting point. But you can't go wrong watching to very fanciful documentaries. One exactly like you said Josh in the gleaners. And I that shows how she can find beauty in everything in every part of life. Really? And then that introspective turning the camera on. Herself and being able to make that also beautiful art you get that dichotomy in those two films and would absolutely encourage anyone to seek them out. If you are curious about that marathon, maybe you didn't follow along with the marathon back in twenty seventeen but you have been reading or hearing all of these encomium to Varda, and you are interested in learning more about her work are marathons are available at film spotting dot net slash marathons. You can find all six of those shows, plus our Varda awards where we talked about our favorite picture our favorite moments and more from that marathon again films spotting dot net slash marathons and speaking of those Josh we are going to move on. Unfortunately to another filmmaker who just recently passed away, but Stanley dawn and has been a blind spot largely for both of us over the years. We're going to start with his nineteen forty nine debut, the MGM musicals on the town starring Gene Kelly and Frank Sinatra four film marathon and probably just like the. Recent John cavities marathon that we wrapped up we are still deciding on what that fourth film will be. But we're excited to start it off with on the town here in just a couple of weeks on the town on order from the library as we speak looking ahead to next week. I'm gonna give one more plug for the conference on world affairs. I won't be on the show because I'll be out in Boulder, Colorado. This is April nine through thirteen. If you can't come to Ebert interruptus where we're going to spend four days breaking down, Wally if you can't come to some of the film panels that I'm on is part of the conference or you can't come to the film spotting meet up in boulder that's going to be April twelve details for all of this is at film spotting slash events. There's one more thing I'm squeezing into my schedule. I wanted to mention I'm going to be at first Presbyterian church in boulder. Thursday, April eleven seven PM. They've invited me to do movies are prayers book presentation so packed week. Thanks for giving me the week off from the show, Adam that will help me maintain my sanity in my place will be our friends got to buy from the next picture show. What else you guys got planned? Well, we're really just going to focus on cleared any. We're gonna talk about her new film highlife, and you're going to hear from the exalted one Clare Denise herself. She is going to be on the show. At least that interview is currently scheduled for next week, Scott may actually sit in and help me out with it. He is more of a Denise expert. I think I've seen four for films, but she still filmmaker who I feel like a bit of a neophyte with. So Scott, maybe part of that conversation. He will definitely be part of the conversation about highlife a film, starring Robert Pattinson. And Juliet Benicia says here said in deep space where Pattinson and his daughters struggled to survive living in isolation now. Julia Benicia, I'm guessing does not play rubber patents daughter. So what figure out where she factors in? But then then time travel with as nuts. This movie allegedly. Is you never know. I am sadder. I know I'm sadder about missing this show than you were about missing the Dumbo show. Probably highlife one of my most interested films of the year. So I will catch up with it when I get back. Yeah. Somehow, you're also. Going to miss out on the crowning of this year's film, spotting madness champion. Yeah. That's all right. Okay. You can live with that. The winner will be announced on next week show. I wanna go back real quick because you mentioned that when you're going to be out in boulder, you're going to have another film spotting meet up. I had a little bit of an impromptu film spotting meet up this past week when I was off. So I just wanted to give a brief thanks to a couple film spotting listeners. I was in Detroit for a few days had a couple of nights free wanted to take a group out. I was with four other people to a nice dinner, and the only person honestly, I really know in the Detroit area, the same person every film spotting Lister knows at this point Jeff Milo in Ferndale. Michigan. Of course. Now, I had no idea. Jeff, I'm bid admit where Ferndale was I wasn't. Sure. A Ferndale was anywhere near Detroit. And you would have a five hour drive. Did not a big state. He doesn't love the show. No, he didn't need to because it turns out that Ferndale is basically. I mean, I think it's a suburb of. -troit's call that it's ten to fifteen minutes away. So Jeff wait in. I said I need some restaurant recommendations good places somewhere where I can really have a good night out with some friends, and he gave me four or five options did my research one of them stood out and actually not far from Ferndale. We had to take an Uber ten or fifteen minutes north of the city. And then it just turned out randomly that we got there. And as we got to know our waiter max little bit. And we started talking that one of the other employees at the restaurant collon is a huge fan of film spotting and saw my name on the reservation, look at you. So I got to meet Colin, and they took incredible care of us, and we had a wonderful night and amazing dinner. So I wanna give a shout out. And thank you to Jeff, of course, for the recommendation, and then, of course, to call in for helping to take care of us got a chance to talk to him for a few moments. And if you're out in that area at all, and you have not gone to Mabel gray, you need to rectify. Hi that right away. You're pretty much Jesse James at this point you better watch your back. Cullen was not at all like Bob four. No, no, no, not at all. He'd been tried to find don't let Josh pate. You that way? If you shared a birthday or anything that we didn't go there talked about film, just talk about film a little bit. I think he said he was a listener since Mad Max fury road. Nice. Yeah. So again, thank you calling. Thank you. Jeff. Thank you. Everybody at Mabel, gray. One more quick note, some film, spotting housekeeping here, we just found out today as of recording the show that we are nominated for the first time for a webby award, which seems to be a pretty big thing. Only five shows nominated in the podcast category for TV and film. We're up against some pretty stiff competition it's about Mabel mill because we'll probably lose some listeners. Ready, but we are very excited in there is a voting component to this. It's not what decides everything like film, spotting madness, for example. But there is a people's choice vote in each category. So if you would like to show films spotting some love, we would appreciate that support. You can do it takes only a minute or two and the address is vote dot webby awards dot com. We will also provide a direct link to the voting for our category in our show notes film, spotting dot net. But everything you need to know about the webbie's is at vote dot webby awards. Maybe Jesse James cultists can put some of their energy towards that as Laureus -ly. That would be great. It would probably win. Different. If we could just give it another go round. Best. Maybe we can. Josh are you gonna tell clementine the rules of film spotting madness. There are no more go rounds. There's only the furnace. It's brutal. And I'm breaking those rules myself by smuggling that copy of Wally, Colorado, whatever take exactly ki- Winslet Jim Carrey there in Michelle Ghandi's, Charlie Kaufman, pinned eternal sunshine of the spotless. Mind. One of our four madness finalists. It went up against overall number one seed, no country for old men in its last match. There's no way it beat number one overall seed no country for old men, right? Will see we will find out here in a moment. But we're going to start with the other final four matchup Peter Jackson's the fellowship of the ring these plucky hobbits is making their run you believe it through the big dance. I guess we shouldn't be surprised. No, we shouldn't against Paul Thomas Anderson's. There will be blood. So here's the road to the final four for these two films fellowship. Eep city of God pictures, the incredible Tarantino's inglorious bastards and Christopher Nolan's the dark night. It wasn't supposed to accomplish. At least two of those. That is impressive. There will be blood that beat Joe Wright's atonement on me Nolan's memento and fons Korans children of men Michael locker in San Leandro, California says there will be blood didn't just reveal what movies could do it revealed what a director could do in this case recast himself as an tour with an impossibly precise. Vision partnered with the star who surgically embeds himself so deeply in his characters. You'd worry about the guy if he didn't seem so in control he made an uncompromising period movie where minutes go by without dialogue where shrieking string by a rock guitarist channels Penderecki in the shining guys. It's the coolest damn shift of modern director ever made in one of the coolest movies I've ever seen fellowship. It's the pretty good third. Best movie in a fantasy trilogy that had more interesting things to say down the road. If it goes in the furnace, the best Gullam scenes for adamant Josh to butcher are. Are still out there. That's a good point. I like that. I'm glad we still have no gallons gone too. Isn't it? Yeah. I guess. So that's not how it works. Michael Jamie, also chimed in I was seventeen years old when there will be blood came out, and it was truly a transformative experience for me. It taught me to understand the importance of subtext themes and the power of tour filmmaking in so many ways this film, still informs, my views of politics art and the relationship between the two, but the Lord of the rings trilogy is the most important film series of my childhood. Why would you take my childhood away for me? It will be a perilous journey, but I'll happily take on the burden of carrying PTA's masterpiece myself to throw into the fires of mount do while Ramon the Harada us out, please. There will be blood. Is that how you say that I have to consult my daughter soapy, also talks like that. Thank you Ramon for that. Let's find out then Josh does the clock strike midnight for our Cinderella. Who's going to advance its over for fellowship all of them every single hobbit going into mount doom to the lob into the fire. I like that idea all the losers. That's where they go. There will be blood one sixty two percent of the vote pretty decisive. Yes, now, let's see who Paul Thomas Anderson's masterpiece will compete against for film, spotting madness bragging rights, we have Michelle Ghandi's eternal sunshine of the spotless mind versus the Coen brothers, no country for old men. No country beat Duncan Jones moon. Ryan Johnson's brick Gammel del Toro's, PAN's labyrinth and Wes Anderson's The Royal Tenenbaums to get here. Attornal sunshine Gus van Zandt elephant picks ours finding nemo Sophia Coppola lost in translation. And somehow my beloved Mojo. Dry from David Lynch. Here's Stephen Miller. What does team sappy have left to root for the sun has set on Jesse and selene Bob Harris's whisper will stay forever untranslated. What once was will never again be. We wanted love, but film, spotting voters just weren't in the mood. I see what you did. There started spirit only to see it banished away. Now, there's a choice between masterful bone chilling nihilism and messy open ended humanism I'm turning in my Sinophile badge and voting for the bleeding, heart mess and next week. If somehow it becomes a battle of heart versus blood, you know, what hill I'm dying. We do. Now, this comment comes to us from I'm gonna go with timber lives e probably wrong. But it's a great name, Ken. Josh, please revisit eternal sunshine before he flippantly votes in the semi-finals these are both fantastic films. But which one provides some semblance of hope for the human condition, and which when shoots you in the head with a cattle gun that choice for me is clear spotless. Even and don't get me started on the over hype of there. Will be blood. I'm attornal sunshine in this madness. All the way. Now, I'm going to have to go back to my notes. I thought I voted on last week show for eternal sunshine. I just remember too. Remember this morning. I remember, of course, Michael going into his usual rant his anti. No country disrespect. Yes. And you you defendant. But I don't remember how you voted according to my notes here, which doesn't mean this is what I said on the show. I did vote for eternal sunshine. Okay. That's what timber. Liz, liz. Yeah. That's what timber watts. Right. That is. Okay. But you know, what? Maybe timber just thinks you're too flippant in general. I don't know how that's possible. Let's get to the results. Then Josh it is shockingly upset, but a fairly close one the number four seed attornal sunshine taking down the Cohn brothers at that. Last year's film, spotting menace champion with Fargo voted the best film of the nineties. The year prior film. Spotting madness champion the Cohn brothers being named the best living filmmakers. Yes. And yet they are out of film, spotting attornal, sunshine. Fifty three percent of the vote is attorney sunshine that strong. Or is there? Some Coen brothers fatigue. Is there a contingent of voters who just didn't wanna see them at the top again? And that's why they leaned. Maybe it didn't really inform my vote if I didn't vote for attornal, such which I can't entirely remember. But maybe that came into play because this is a shocking upset it really is. And obviously, it was a number four seed we thought a journal sunshine had a shot to go this far. But I really am surprised. And I do wanna share this one comment that I hope is being somewhat flippant and not literal from a listener named DJ Motte in Chatham mass. I'm going with Chatham. Yeah. We always butcher the Massachusetts names, but Chatham mess. He says a y f KM double exclamation points. Let you think about it for a little bit. But I know I speak so fi David says a turtle sunshine better than lost in translation better than Mulholland Drive. Stick a fork and film spotting for me. I'm. Done. Clearly, the listenership is a different demographic. The good news is I think one hundred minutes of free time every week to do something which doesn't aggravate me while reading some textbooks on tax law makes much more sense than the results film spotting madness. Here's the best part. Best of luck in the future signed used to be a movie guy DJ Mont, not just off. We didn't just destroy cinema. It seems that we've destroyed cinema. And we've definitely lost his webby. Actually, it's our listeners who ruined it for DJ. They're the ones who voted out on us. Just because we're hosting. We're sorry DJ apparently not going to be happy with this film. Spotting madness. Twenty nineteen championship match. It is a turtle sunshine of the spotless mind versus there will be blood. Are we sharing our votes? Yeah. I mean no-brainer there will be blood. Why that's true at all the film that I thought well, I love eternal sunshine. But it's the number two overall seed that happens to correspond with me viewing it as either the first or second best film. Sees them strictly based on your personal property. We're not supposed to do that. Oh, you do know. I said it happens to correspond. Okay. Let's see how this works. So just for timber lives as sake, I'm eating attornal, sunshine. Just Tim, you know, because I'm flippant about this. Okay. But you don't really mean it. Yeah. I think I do you do I will say for the sixth time in this tournament. I should really revisit eternal sunshine voting. We might actually revisit it. We're going to somehow hang onto one special copy for a sacred cow. Yeah. I'll stuff it where I've got wall. We if you others that I won't mention right now. Yeah, I'm voting attornal, sunshine. I feel good about it feel really good about it. There's no problem here. Okay. We're gonna move on then voting for films. Flooding madness is open at film spotting dot net slash madness vote. Now invite your friends this is going to decide it all and it only makes sense to close out. This look at spotting madness with a check in with spotting madness, founder listener, Mike Magon in Dover, New Hampshire. Hello, Adam, Josh Sam and film spotting nation. This is film spotting madness family father, Mike Marian calling with. Check in on the madness the tournament is winding down but heating up. It's given us more surprises. Michael Phillips, top five list and fewer disappointments, Adam camping are massacre theater. How about a check in on the bracket challenge. I want last year. It's seems that I might win it again. But the real upset might be at the back of the pack. Maybe just maybe the Larsen curse is broken. We'll have to wait and find out good look in the finals everyone enjoy the madness. It's true. Mike, the Larsen curse may be broken for the record took you four attempts to get out because that'll be out takes. I can't say that you are the loser. If I'm not going to get too gleeful yet. I know something could change it. Really? Can't really. No. I don't think you haven't lost. You are not going to lose. Have you ever? It's done someone so happy to just have not lost. Right. I know. Winning. I get it. I wish I could share your joy. But I think I'm going to be in your spot this year. So the brand is you me Sam and Mike Merigan. The loser has to watch the latest Adam Sandler movie to show up on Netflix. You've lost for at least four years in a row since we've been doing this bracket challenge you've had to watch a bunch of Adam Sandler movies on Netflix. It might be my time the standings Sam had no country versus the dark Knight in the final. So he's out. So he's out he finishes with a hundred thirteen points. I had the dark Knight and a turtle sunshine in the finals. Oops, if you look at my bracket that I scanned and submitted to the group I had a terminal sunshine in the final and at the last second convince myself that no I couldn't go against no country for old men crossed out eternal sunshine and went with no country for old men. I'm done with one hundred twelve point five points while I am so glad we have those screen shots brackets. I know they're now you Josh you had no country, and there will be blood in the final. So your new total is one hundred seventeen points. Now again, as I've said many times on the show. I'm never good at math. But I believe that means I've beaten both you and Sam correct? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That right. That's what it means. Mike Merigan also had no country, and there will be blood in the finals, his new total is one hundred twenty eight points while you both misguidedly when with no country for old men to win at all. So we can now officially call it. Mike marriage is the winner. It's over regardless of how the final finishes, but even more important than Mike Merigan being the winner is loser. And I lost to Sam by half of got hurt. Lots to Sam by half a point. That's not going to hurt as much as the Sandler movie, and I should add to your punishment. You have to watch it. And while. No breaking this up over twenty parts. We'll see we'll see Mike help me out here. Voting for film, spotting men is again is open at film swatting dot net slash madness. Voting will close five PM on Monday. And the madness champion will be crowned next week. It's finally over film spotting Mattis. It concludes with the winter the best film of the two thousands. Well, before we say goodbye to the two thousands adamant, I are going to share a picks for the most overlooked movies of that decade. The film spotting top-five is next stay with us. It's been a while since we've had a chance to devote some time to think us and acknowledging the donations of film, spotting listeners. You guys are the life blood of the show starting with Mark s and you young who tells us Josh lady, I came across film spotting back can six zero seven when he was still a high school student in Wuhan a river city in the middle of China searching for English learning materials now working in Minneapolis as data science professional young says, I still keep the habit of listening to your program. Trying to better grasp the universal language of cinematic arts. I feel now is a good time to start giving back to show my appreciation for all your hard work. Please be aware and proud of the global impact you guys have made and keep rocking, by the way, really looking forward to hearing more talks on Chinese films. I remember Adam is a fan of the heat of the sun. I promise there are many more worth checking out. So I hate to ruin the image of me for you young. But unless there's an alternate title. Or heat of the sun. He's confusing me with another podcast or another critic perhaps go with it's too late. I haven't seen that film, but contemporary Chinese cinema has been on our future marathon lists for some time. And we might just get to it at some point down the road. We also got a silver club donation from Daniel h parts on known and read from Salt Lake City who says hey film, spotting team I making a long overdue donation to celebrate getting accepted to UCLA's and they incentive studies program. Nice job. Read your show, definitely played a role in motivating me to get more serious about film. So before I go completely broke from student loans. I figured I ought to pay the piper, thanks for sharing your knowledge about and passion for the movies. Congrats read we also heard from Julio Olivera in Austin, Texas, the host of the contrarians podcast and someone I've been able to share a beer with down there in Austin. Did you actually share a beer or did you buy his own? Well, he did just give a positive review to Dumbo. So. Oh, I wish I hadn't bought him a beer. Ouch. So I finally donated Julio says it was sixty dollars. So I guess it's the five dollar month category. Sure, I'll do better from now on I promise I off the appreciation paragraph. You guys are great. I love the show. I love the intelligent conversation sense of humor, the interactivity with listeners, even your misguided. Bashing of most MC you movies. We really do that. Maybe I love them as they break, my heart. It was a blast to meet Josh when he visited Austin last year can't wait to meet, Adam. And Sam someday attending a live show is on the bucket list. Secondly, my two cents regarding the low key net flicks controversy going on. So you remember this this came up in comments? But last time we did donations which was like three months ago. So it's very low key Netflix controversy. Okay. Well, Leo says I think net flicks is great any new channels of distribution for films are good news. I understand people having trouble letting go of the theatrical experience, I prefer watching movies in theaters too. But shunning good slash interesting. Netflix movies as a protest is not. Going to do anything to get them to theaters supporting them. Well, supporting them wherever they play beat movie theaters. Netflix Hulu, what have you exhibitors, wanna make money show them that you're interested in a specific product. And they'll chase it not watching a Netflix movie doesn't do anything other than telling Netflix that they shouldn't support that filmmaker slash venture Julio closes by saying me, I'm going to keep enjoying the hell out of the net flicks era, and the Hulu era, and the Amazon, Primera, etc. I love there's a potential place for middle budget movies. Again, Thirdly, have I mentioned how much I love your show. Julio, and I feel better now about vitamin because I kind of agree with him on the whole Netflixing. Now, I remember the the debate we had an and yet it is more exposure, you gotta like that finally Robert casino. He's in winter springs, Florida. He gave us a gold level donation. Thank you so much Robert for that. Thank you to all of our donors, including all the monthly subscribers. We really do. Appreciate every cent that we get. Who's the greatest basketball player in the history of the game? I mean to ever come on. This is easy. Michael, Michael, Jordan. Why was he the greatest because he paced himself because he always had something left at the finish. Magic Johnson called it winning times. Those guys over there. Those guys think they're kicking ass. But believe me it is early. We are a long way from winning time so pay attention Campbell, Scott and Jesse Eisenberg there in Dylan kids, Roger dodger from two thousand two movie that myself influence butting producer, former co host same van Haugen champion a lot on this show, including way back on episode eight at that point. Josh I called Roger dodger the number one overlooked movie, I guess of all time that was two thousand me. Yeah. Very bold movie that came out in two thousand two I called the most overlooked movie of all time, but both of us Sam myself do adore that film and longtime listeners are probably aware of that. I don't need to talk about Roger dodger anymore. Definitely not eligible for this week's top five overlooked films of the two thousand so this is becoming sort of tradition tying in with film spotting madness last year when we did the best films of the nineteen nineties. We discovered that Miller's crossing one of the films in the tournament was in need of rewatch, certainly by me, and we gave it the sacred treatment and did are overlooked films of the nineties this year decided to devote the first part of the show to the assassination of Jesse James by the coward. Robert Ford movie that probably has gone under the radar a little bit more than Miller's crossing over the past couple of decades. And we thought why not go ahead and shine a light on a few more films from the two thousands. The definitely did not come up in the film. Spotting madness talk on the show over the past six or seven weeks didn't make the tournament and also really weren't even considered by the selection committee, despite my appreciation for them not movies. Maybe have a wide enough fan base to justify their inclusion. Josh, how did you go about this time establishing what constituted an overlooked movie? Well, this was really difficult because I had ten years of top ten lists to access of my own reference as a foundation for this. Because that was those were the main years, I was working as a daily newspaper film critic. And here's where the trouble comes in. If you have somewhat contrarian tastes, and your top ten lists will have few titles that are little bit odd. I had twenty two films pulled from those top ten list that I really could have put on this list now, narrowing that down I got a little bit of help because on episode three ninety six we revisited. I've got a funny story about that. In a second. Okay. Good. We revisited top five overlooked films again of all time, and I laughed too much at what you put on yours. The first time you did it because I had three titles from the two thousands on that list. So these are the ones I disqualified for this list because I named him their monkey bone the live action. Henry Selleck foam, the weather man, Nicolas Cage comic drama, and then spike Lee's bamboozled. So that took three away. Whole bunch to choose from. I will down to the five I'll get to. Okay. So this is all true. This is how this actually played out and how big of an idiot. I am I'm approaching this top five list. And I had an idea that I slacked to Sam because I needed to sounding board, you know, often with these top five list and SAM's wire the same way we like to have organizing principle sometimes to guide us as we form these lists. And I suggested to him what if these are the top five overlooked movies from the two thousands. I would most want people to see almost as if I was programming my own Ebert fest. I thought that's how I could approach it. But then I said to him, but it's so hard to define what constitutes overlooked anyway that without coming up with that definition. I don't know that that actually helps me so I kind of just put it aside, and I went to more conventional criteria. I thought about movies that just like last time with the nineteen nineties these movies that weren't part of film spotting madness. They really didn't appear on any of the list. I found online of best films of the decade in either retrospective lists. Whether it was fifty or a hundred films. They weren't really included, and it will add that I know a lot of great films of probably qualify as overlooked based on box office that I think I've mentioned enough on the show over the years and also in Sinophile circles, I think they're regarded highly enough that they don't really make sense or maybe grown in stature files. Two time champion master and commander or the new world from Terrence Malick or in the bedroom or even like Winterbottom's twenty four hour party people. I decided no I'm going to give him a little bit of love here. But otherwise, they just didn't really fit for me. So and then forming my list I have my five movies chosen. I'm looking through my Google docs, just for some notes on films, and I come across a top five list, that's called overlooked films. And yes, Josh on episode three ninety six this goes back to may fourth twenty two. Twelve twenty episodes into your tenure here on film slotting. We did an overlooked films list. Basically revisiting the one that happened on episode eight of the show. Would you believe that all five of my choices were from the two thousand all my goodness. Now, I don't feel so bad. Even the memorial list title. I went with the never let me go memorial list is from the two thousand. No, I had no idea. I did that. But all five movies. I picked at that time were from the two thousand and even more than that that whole idea. I had that brilliant idea of programming. My own film festival. You're used it there. I already used it back on episode three ninety six I even talked about I would have a tend- on behalf of the film at my film festival to give us insights on it. No, new ideas here. We know we'll shut this thing ideas whatsoever. Please tell me. You should have been somehow involved. You should read my mind on this. So no, thank goodness that I had five different titles. Okay. That we're not those five otherwise I would of last minute shifting. I'm very relieved. So let's jump right in then Josh your number five overlook film of the two thousand. So when we talk overlooked. I think we have to talk comedies. They're just not taken seriously or thought of as they just don't have the prestige and get forgotten as we talk about the great films and look back. So I'm going to start with a comedy two thousand six is not a libra. Okay. This is from the Napoleon dynamite team of Jared. It's Rusia s Mike white here is assisting on the screenplay and yes it stars. Jack black this'll sell you Adam as a Mexican fryer at Norfolk age who dreams of becoming a Lucci door. This is masked theatrical wrestler in the world of Lucia libra black teams up with street criminal played by Hector has to go undercover. As a tag team Russell to make money for the orphanage, despite you know, it being banned by his religious superiors. Are there's a ton of funny stuff here. Trust me, Adam about highway a ton about religious hypocrisy. There's some wonderfully outrageous costumes, and I think this is one of Jack Black's best straight comic performances. He gets a few chances to sing, of course. So you gotta love that. His eyebrows have to be at their Wegelius because they're inexplicably competing with this curly mop top he chooses to have for the part. Okay. Listen to listen to us you. I know it is fun to wrestle nice by threat to the face punch to the face. But you cannot do it because it is in the bible not to rest of your neighbor. So use liver. Me. No, come on don't be Gracie. Listen, I know the restrooms get all the fancy ladies. Clones. Creams and lotions. But my life is. Really good. I get to wake up every morning five. Am make some soup. I get to lay in bed by myself. My life. Now is it problematic that Jack black is playing a Mexican character probably questions? No one would've asked you. If you had brought it up, and if so so as much of mask or theater black and definitely veers into Italian by way of Vigo Mortenson in green book territory, that's part of the pleasure of Nacho libra. I think ultimately to I can defend that choice because affection not mockery is at the heart of this movie. I think that's also a hallmark of the houses films and here, especially for the movies loser characters it gives Nacho blacks. Character the sort of reverence that other films give to matinee idols it. Just looks at him this way, no matter how ridiculous he is being and black place him as if he deserves this sort of vantage point, this sort of treatment by the end of the film, despite all the silliness, we believe at two Nacho libra. Adam have you seen it have I seen it? I glanced at the film spotting archive. I I've asked what is it with you and comedies where characters speak a lot of Spanish. Just padre. Yeah. Exactly. It's doesn't become a trend until there are three atom. Okay. Sure, I can find one looking at the archive of our ratings back on episode one eight of film spotting where that expert so. Main review Nacho LeBron salmon, I two stars each out of two out of five hundred we're working with the two star radio. Right. Not not fans of not you LeBron. We were probably too hard on it. Probably too hard on. It will give you that. I can just see the two of you sitting in theater arms yelled, totally serious. Critics do not like this sort of stunner percent. All right. My number five overlooked film of the two thousands is the movie that is probably the most UN overlooked of all five of my choices. Meaning it's the one that's probably most widely seen most people listening, probably at least heard of the movie whether or not they have made the time for it in they'd sixty five million dollars at the box office, not a huge haul. But you do have to consider that it was made for sixty two. So this was a gigantic disappointment. That's sixty five million worldwide in the US and only made like thirty six or thirty seven in its favor. It also is mostly appreciated by critics it has an eighty two percent on rotten tomatoes. But if you look at any list of the best films by this filmmaker the filmmaker is Ridley Scott made twenty plus movies. Matchstick men is usually in the bottom half this two thousand three conmen film, starring Nicolas Cage and the assessment of Jesse James Rockwell. So good in this film. This is a movie that has been an honorable mention a few times over the years have been inconsideration for various lists few times, including tough five con movies. It made only one top five list though, over the years, and I'm not gonna say which one that is because that might give away some of the fun actually of matchstick men. But this is nNcholas cage two to three years before he hits that straight to DVD point of his career that he still seems to be an -sconsin. He plays ROY who is a con artist in LA Sam Rockwell is his partner Frank, and he has a lot of issues, including threat syndrome and OCD, and he has a really bad panic attack. And that's when his partner suggests he sees a psychiatrist and through that whole process of going through therapy. He eventually discovers that he has a daughter fourteen year old daughter who's played by Alison Lohman. So while he's also trying to pull off. These cons, including one big con. He's also trying to kind of make amends for some of his past bad choices and try to be as best as he can be a good father to this daughter. He now discovers. Than mom. Listen. I'm glad I met you. I'm glad we met. I really am. But, but I've got a business, and I've got a partner, and I've got things certain way. And that's it. So I think it'd be better. For you. Most of all if tomorrow morning, I took you back home. What did I do wrong? I didn't even I didn't bring in get high take any money from your stupid dog. Never heard of the Bank. That's what you did. And you're losing Parker. And and that's no way for young lady to behave and shame on you. I did not plan for there to be. I swear any kind of theme running through most of my choices here. But it is a theme that goes back to our discussion of Jesse James this whole idea of storytelling and narratives and as a con artist. Roy is someone who makes his living off of narrative telling people what they want to hear or what he thinks they need to hear. And he's trying to go about changing his narrative the movie also largely succeeds based on us as viewers seeing. And hearing what best fits the story that we think is unfolding in front of us, our friend Keith Phipps from the next picture show writing. Then for the club said that Scott, let's the machinery the films grand scale con click into place with a craftsman's expertise. What's truly impressive is matched men's ability to capture the emotions that Dr. The machinery getting beyond simple greed to find the other needs that draw marks to conman and make fools of both. And I think that's obviously eloquently said there by Keith. But does get at what makes matchstick men such a good film? Yes, there's a certain precision to the cons and how they play out there, some great humor in not only the performance of cage, but in Rockwell, but there is a real heart to this movie as well underneath that kind of sheen of cynicism. And I think that's what separates matchstick men makes it for me one of the truly memorable films of the two thousand one I don't think gets enough love in two thousand three I gave matchstick men three out of four stars fan. Fan as well. And it was an interesting the two thousand were interesting for cage because this was after stuff like the rock and Conair. Right. I believe it was. So he's he's already had a foot kind of in that loony bin territory action stuff, but he was doing stuff like this. He was doing something like the weatherman, which I mentioned, which is a fantastic cage performance. So yeah, I I liked him quite a bit matchstick, man. And of course, Rockwell as good as well at number four, I have baby boy after a couple of larger scale projects like rosewood, and then his shaft remake John singleton returned to the streets of south central Angeles. That's of course, the site of his breakout film boys in the hood for two thousand one's baby. Boy, this is just a really thoughtful still stylish. It has a lot of singleton visual touches to it. But it is alternately deeply thoughtful take on a selfish twenty year old single father of two who learns to embrace his responsibilities. The. Lead role is played by Tyree skips in and at that time, he was only known as a model singer and a TV actor, I think he was an MTV J as well. At the time. He makes a strong feature debut here full of feeling this performances. He brings a reluctant vulnerability to it. That's not on the surface. But you always sense it and really does hold this whole thing. Together. Also good, which I had forgotten until I was looking back at it for this list, a young Terachi Hudson as his girlfriend. Yeah. Some Rossi's really raw scenes between the two of them. So this made my top ten list of two thousand one. Roger Ebert also fan at that time, and he noted it his review how this movie walks very delicate line. So I wanted to quote him here baby boy is a bold criticism of young black men who carelessly father babies live off their mothers. And don't even think of looking for work. It is also a criticism of the society that pushes them into that niche. There's never been a movie with this angle on the African American exp. Variance the movie's message to man like it's hero is yes racism has contributed to your situation. But you have to give it so much help with your own attitude now baby boy is probably I would say it's hardly the first film that comes up when people think of John singleton, especially since he followed this up with two fast. Two furious also with human, but it's absolutely worth. Look if you never made it that far down in singleton's filmography. Yeah. I'm a big fan of baby. Boy. It back in two thousand one in really my first full year writing any kind of reviews than as a grad student at Iowa. And I would quote from that review right now if I hadn't just glanced at it and wasn't totally embarrassed by it. Okay. So happens to the bundled doing that. But I do recall, I really enjoyed that film. I think it's one of singleton's better films. He's made some of these. I'm not a fan of at all, I would agree. And this is definitely up there with boys in the hood is one of his best. My number four is a film that comes from one of our films spotting marathons, and I didn't want to rely on these marathons too much when forming this list because those are by definition devoted to our blind spots. Of course, they're going to be fruitful ground for an overlooked less. But I'm guessing that there are a fair number of listeners in two thousand seventeen who chose to overlook the first movie in our new Argentine cinema marathon extraordinary story from two thousand eight as far as I can tell didn't even get a theatrical release in the US. There are no box office numbers. That I could find not only that when it came up as part of our marathon. We'd never even heard of it. Right. You hadn't heard. I'd never heard of it. Or heard of the director Mariano, she NAS and up until recently when movie had it as an offering on their platform. It was pretty much impossible to see this isn't a movie that you could just get on VOD or streaming anywhere. Now as far as I can tell you can see it on Amazon prime you can rent it if you are on prime, and you just need to set aside four hours. Yeah. But if you do that, it's well worth it. Absolutely. It was your. I'm not sure if you mentioned this. It was your best picture. It was my favorite film from that marathon. And it's a movie that takes three different characters who just have letters for names, we know them as h and x and z and their stories that don't really seem to be inter connected at all. And frankly, Josh has been so long since I've seen the film. I'm not sure that the movie does ever really unite them in a way that maybe. Expect with a movie like this. I wouldn't say it all comes together. No, no. It doesn't come together with that kind of neat resolution. It's one of those films that as you watch these characters and their lives and these actions unfold in front of us, you just never know what to expect the extrordinary of the title is completely appropriate. Because it I it seems like all these characters are leading completely unremarkable lives. One of them is a board. Civil engineer one is an architect and surveyor another one is basically just a bureaucrat, but they do get caught up in these truly where marketable situations. And I love the way that we become sort of active in the creation of these narratives unfolding because of the way we see here's that word from Jesse James, again perspective the way, we see different events unfold. Sometimes multiple times sometimes the cameras just moving closer gives us as viewers more of an opportunity to scrutinize. And it's not a case where it's really about showing things different points of view. It's not as if the filmmaker is. Trying to make a variation on Rosh Amman where it's this, character's perspective and this truth. But we are always aware that there is a storyteller pulling the strings who can give us one perspective. And then change it for us. And some of the techniques that are used here to are. So great the flashbacks that we get there's dream sequences. There's a direct address to the camera by a dead guy. They're split screens. And yet it is so novelist. It's one of those movies. I know you're gonna think I'm copping out here. But I think probably even you Josh didn't watch this in one four hour sitting did you if I recall, I had a dinner break. Okay. Yeah. For some reason came right back to me. Yeah. It would be a lot. But whether it's one break or two breaks or more. It's the kind of movie that you can sort of check back in on a book the right? That's nice to come back and just pick up at any point. And you're going to get caught up in these characters and their events. I looked at letterbox not the end all be all of logging. Movies, necessarily or telling us how widely seen movie is. But a good indicator and only eight hundred five people have clicked on extraordinary stories as a movie that they have seen to put that in perspective in the mood for love had sixty two thousand and spirited away had two hundred twenty eight thousand so only eight hundred and five people on letterbox have seen extraordinary stories. It was my favorite movie of that entire marathon. And it's well worth the time. Yeah. You're highlight of that marathon. I think I gave that a word to a different film, but did give two different awards extrordinary stories. So definitely worth checking out. All right at number three this one for me is a really deep cut almost totally forgotten. But it really affected me at the time. And it deserves to be remembered it's two thousand three's my life without me starring Sarah Palley as young woman. She's wife in a mother of two whose diagnosed with terminal cancer. She doesn't tell her family. And instead spends her last few months trying to. Settings up for them for life after she's gone. And this includes identifying a wife for her husband who's played by Scott speedmen. And now at the same time. She's also starts taking these chances on things that she feels like she missed out on in her fairly mundane life, all that probably sounds like melodrama, but knowing Polly as an actress, you can probably imagine the subtle sincerity. She brings to the part, and you also have some strong work here from our roof. Alot who plays a man she meets, and he comes to represent what she does feel like she may have missed out on the director is is about who shot and she also did the screenplay. She's adapting Nancy can canes novel here. She just has this delicate almost magical realist touch that keeps things from feeling to soap opera, and there's an specially nice flourish at one point a grocery store dance number where Polly's character is just doing her everyday shopping and everyone around her begins today as she. He just thinks about this space. She suddenly come to inhabit with her health. I think you can also really see my life without me's influence on the films that Polly would go onto make as a director, especially something away from her with has this. You know, there's a confirmation of mortality going on there and also Polly's documentary stories we tell where she interrogated family secrets of her own not as many laughs here as natural libra. But still a really strong film, very moving one. It's worth a look if you are going to be tracking down some forgotten gems from the two thousand. Yeah, it's one that's overlooked by me, I have not seen my life without me. Great pick. I'm going to stick with the Canadian theme anyway. And actually, you mentioned Sarah, Pauly and stories, we tell this is another playful take on the personal memoir before I give you the title, though, I have to read this Email from film, spotting listener, this is a title that I knew was gonna make this list instantly because at the start of home spotting men. Dennis. We got an Email chiding us for overlooking. This movie and many others as you're going to hear the subject line was film. Sputtering madness. There's gonna be a theme on the show anger Richard pout PU perfect he lets out. Let's go without he's pouting. And canada. He says I enjoy listening to your show and like to indulge in inappropriate umbrage as much as the next guy regarding madness selections. I just received an Email from Vancouver international film festival theatre announcing a retrospective of a filmmaker whose absence from your bracket is so dumb founding that I kind of can't take any of its result. Seriously, you had Yee from Taiwan and in the mood for love from Hong Kong. But nothing from Jia Zhongfu who only spent the entire decade masterfully, filming the story of China's a Russian into the twenty first century. I know a touch of sin falls outside of your time line, but you still had platform unknown. Pleasures the world still life and twenty four city available for selection platform and still life at ought to have been no brainers. I'll watch a movie about people living in a city as it is being systematically demolished to accommodate the reservoir slowly rising behind the Three Gorges dam rather than the curated violence of comic book earth, tarintino earth or Middle Earth every time. Wow. So lot of films there that film spotting listeners have probably also overlooked at least a few of them. But all that said, it's not one of those movies that I'm going with here. It's the one that's in Richards PS, he says you also ignored the scrupulous documentary of guy Madden's brain that is my Winnipeg despite your fun this for films about imaginary realities. Yes, we didn't include infants spotting madness. My Winnipeg his memoir, his duck euthanasia as it's known from two thousand eight movie that I viewed at the Toronto film festival two thousand seven the same festival. I saw the assassination of Jesse James by the coward rubber Ford. I saw my Winnipeg in a much more alert state pretty good tiff that year, I might add my three. Three favorite films ahead of my Winnipeg at that fest. We're no country for old men, atonement and Juno. My Winnipeg is this wonderful blending fact in fiction and yes fantasy and it's still historical in nature. It's giving us some truth about the city of Winnipeg come away knowing much more about that city and its history than you may have ever thought you needed. Of course, you're also learning true things actual things from guy Madden's life. He chose to view. When a peg the city, he grew up in through the prism of his own childhood experience. And I was listening back to some of the conversation that I had along with Mattie, actually, he just joined the show in two thousand seven we talked to guy Madden in one of the little malls, just a coffee shop right there at the Toronto film festival outside the theaters. And he mentioned that this movie came about actually because it was the assignment of the producer he throughout this idea. And it certainly wasn't Madden's original concept because he doesn't. Typically, make documentaries. He has a real reverence for documentarian, and it just wasn't a mode that he saw himself working in. But it was always part of the assignment to make it personal. And that's what hooked him. Now, Maddie saw the screening at that fest where guy Madden did the narration that you hear in the movie he performed it live though at the festival I unfortunately missed that. But as I said had a chance to talk with Madden, and it was fun. Revisiting that conversation. I asked him what came first because the imagery is so vivid in this film. So outlandish fantastic. And then you've got this wonderful voice. Over narration that goes with it. I was curious which came first did he have the narration he had the story? And then he found these images to match it. Or did he have the images in his head and match the words with it? He talked about that in the interview and also about whether or not going back and dramatizing moments from his own childhood, but with actors laying him and his family whether. That was just on his part, a fun conceit for film, or whether it was actual catharsis or provided any catharsis. Here's what he said. It's only recently that I discovered that filmmaking Israel therapeutic in ways that I never suspected. I never I've not once worked through any problems thought into the root of them or anything. But it's just that filmmaking takes so long at least a year to get a feature out. If you're even a fast mover, and and you have to watch your own movie so many times, and you have to read what you've written. And then and then in other words, you end up getting bored of what you were once obsessed with and it's actually kind of form of version therapy. It's just that you just instead of being at peace with your childhood traumas as you like them through just growing tired of your time which and they don't traumatize anymore. So you've turned them into something else. Something you're not proud of. And it was a really fun conversation with Madden. Lot of great insights, and you can find that conversation in our show. Notes for this episode if you are curious over at film spotting dot net. This movie did get a criterion collection release in January twenty fifteen so it may have a little bit of a higher profile than some of the movies that we're talking about. But at the same time, you look at letterbox only fifty three hundred people market as viewed I don't think it's that widely seen certainly could be seen by a wider audience. And in my case, I that's probably the first title that would come to mine if you said guy bed, but I haven't even seen it. So this is an overlooked one by me as well strangely. The only man film, I've seen as Dracula pages from virtue diary, so I've got some work to do when it comes to med, okay? At the number two spot. This one people are probably going to be vaguely familiar with. They remember it came out. But may not have actually seen it because it didn't really do very, well, even though it came from big director and had big stars. It's what lies beneath from the year two thousand Robert Zemeckis is the director here. And this is his thriller about a married. Couple played by Harrison Ford and Michelle Pfeiffer. Whose house appears to be haunted after their daughter leaves for college and that causes some friction between them. You know them. Well, who's dead? Listen to me he killed her. And I'm not crazy. Jodi, how to say onto the bathroom Jody nothing nothing happened. But when I went back there she was there. She was. You you say. Are you angry with me? Maybe it was busy. This starts as a rear window ref. So Michelle Pfeiffer suspects her neighbor of murdering his wife, and then it goes on later to employ some bathtub imagery, similarly, to the way, Hitchcock used a shower, and psycho Samak is such a master craftsman that I just love seeing him play with this sort of suspense, especially in those type sequences, then it goes on to do the Hitchcock thing of undermining a beloved movie star. Once Ford's husband comes under suspicion. So think about you know, what he did with James Stewart vertigo, that's what he's doing with Ford here. This was widely dismissed as a Hitchcock off. That's what most people saw as I took a little bit more generous of of edge point. And appreciate it as an Omar. And what's the difference? You might say for me. I saw him using the conventions to do something new, and that's bring in this element of the supernatural. Now. Others hated this. Because it was decidedly un- Hitchcock, Ian. So they were damning meccas for. Own aping Hitchcock, and then making this left turn that wasn't like him. But for me, I like how it made things distinct from the master while also allowing the movie to draw upon him. And ultimately really in what lies beneath what's most Hitchcock you about it is that it's all about guilt and for me. That's what made the movie stick. They're definitely thrills and suspense and Gotcha moments and all that stuff. But this one stuck with me too because it is a room nation on guilt at the end of the day. Yeah. It's another one I need to see I've only ever watched scenes from what lies beneath over the years. Just coming on TV always seems to be at that exact moment where we get that switch with the husband caring and some of those bathtub sequences that you are mentioning so I guess I kind of know where the movies going. Yeah. Even if I don't know how it gets there. My number two is my third film in a row randomly from the year two thousand eight and it's another documentary the one that's a lot more grounded in reality than my Winnipeg in its at the death house door. Directed by Steve James co-directed with Peter Gilbert who also produced Hoop Dreams with James was a DP on that film, actually. And he also produced another James film that I considered for this list two thousand two Stevie. This is the letterbox description of at the death house door, and it will become clear in a moment. Why I'm reading this summary an investigation of the wrongful death of Carlos Delana who was executed in Texas on December seventh nineteen Eighty-nine after prosecutors ignored evidence inculpate a man who bragged to friends about committing the crimes of which Delina was convicted my immediate response to that was that's funny. That's not at all. What I remember at the death house store really being about. I remember that the Carlos in a case comes up, but that's not the primary narrative of this film. And sure enough if you look at the first comment on letterbox, it's two stars from a user the says, but what they actually mean is there is nothing being investigated is almost two hours of an effing vicar talking to the camera. That was the very agitated response to at the death house door and that plot summary, the plot summary is just off as I said, it does explore that case and his execution and Chicago Tribune investigation into that case. That's in fact, how this project I was pitched to Steve James, they said we wanna look at the death penalty and use this case as the key story for the film. And this was all what St James told me at a two thousand sixteen event looking back on twenty years of his career, and we touched on this film. He said that he was interested, but he was apprehensive for a variety of reasons. And then they mention a man named Carroll Pickett. They said he was the chaplain for fifteen years at this prison unit in Huntsville, Texas, and he had presided over ninety five executions including Carlos dune, and that's for James where the light went off. And this where that element of storytelling comes into play pick. It made an off. Audio recording with each one of those ninety five men just before they were ushered off to their execution. James said, that's the film. That's the story. I wanna tell I can bring in these other elements, but I wanna focus on ticket. And this is something I think James has shown throughout his work an effort to give voice to the voiceless to the marginalized to the overlooked in society, and there is a political element to this film. But it's really more about the existential toll that it takes on this man who is a fascinating character as you would imagine. There isn't really a clear sort of call to action I would say by the end of the film, but it is a philosophical and very personal and very emotional journey. And as far as overlooked on letterbox, this movie, eighty eight views, really, eight views rather death sorta and I would say not only see it. But it's up there with James's best documentaries yet. So it came what over ten years after Hoop Dreams has. Known that probably has a lot more views. But also on even though I've followed other films in his career. I haven't seen another James film. That is definitely going to be in consideration for my list when we do this next year, the twenty tens will be the interrupters which touches on some of those same themes that you're talking about so yeah, I need to see at the death. How store all right? I think we're up to our number one. Right. And I'm gonna go with the promotion, I've talked before about my two thousands artistic crush on Steve Conrad that name is also going to be an overlooked one one that most movie fans aren't going to recognize right away. But he wrote nNcholas cage is the weather, man. Which was as I said on my top five overlooked films list. We did earlier. And then here he wrote and directed the promotion, this is only feature direct to'real effort came out in two thousand eight comedy drama. I think I describe it. It's maybe more comedy than drama, but it stars John C Reilly and Sean William Scott as assistant manager. Gers at a grocery store who end up vying for this new manager position that's opening in a store. They're building nearby. There's a similar vibe here to televisions the office, which I didn't pick up on then. But we happen to be binging the office right now at home as a family and both are interested in some similar things. They both burrow into the mundane of the every day, and then comically highlight, you know, the pettiness that can be found there. And also the humanity that surprisingly on display in these quotidian places. And as a matter of fact, Jennifer plays, Sean Williams. Scott's wife, Scott is really good here. I mean, I was a fan of him stiffler in the American pie films. But this is a much more nuanced sort of comedy that he absolutely nails. And you know, I can't get enough of John C Reilly when he's in comedy drama mode. This also subtler than he is in my beloved, Cedar Rapids. I think this is a subtler film overall. And he gets this solo shuffle alone at night in the grocery store. That made another top five list of mine. We did top five dance sequences in non musicals number. That one episode four twelve I don't know why I have to. Here's here's my grand unified theory for my list, Adam. Yeah. Dance numbers in grocery stores. Okay. That's that's what I used to form this list knowing the office, which begins by laughing at the people that we see in the office. Here we begin by laughing at these two guys. And then it turns into something where we do begin to sympathize with them, and it allows the promotion to become here's where it's helpful to look back at when the movie came out to for me, a real part of the value of it, which may not register as much today, but back in two thousand eight it was really trenchant and timely just on the brink of recession. You've got these two decent average Joes who are caught in this rat race. And instead of just lampooning that it kind of makes us understand that they're both clawing after the same piece of moldy cheese. And they're going to they're going to lose out at the end. And the comedy comes. In recognising epithet with their plight. So I just really love the promotion, and I haven't done the letterbox thing. I'd be curious. Maybe I'll get that. And see a minute here. What the viewings are for this. Because it doesn't get talked about nearly enough now, and it's one I haven't seen. I was going to say that I haven't seen any of Conrad's stuff. But actually, I know I watched the weatherman I rented it at some never reviewed. It never really thought about it. Seriously liked the film like the cage performance. It wasn't a film ahead is passionate reaction to as you. But I have never seen the promotion despite all the time you have brought it up here over the years. I definitely do need to see it and just found it on letterbox two thousand views. Okay. So yeah. I finally see the promotion speaking, Sean, William, Scott, I did think about role models. The David Wayne comedy, which I had. He's so good in that one. But didn't quite make the list for me. My number one is a movie that I did initially think of and then write off because I thought. Longtime listeners are very familiar with how much I love this film. But the reality is when I think about a film from the two thousands going back to that original premise that I band in the movie that I would love to watch with an audience at a film festival, and that I know not enough people have seen because they probably just like me initially dismissed it because of the title. It's Lynn Shelton's hump day. Yes. And this is a film that won astute critic who gave it a positive review on his website described? This way writer director Lynn Shelton takes a boozy late night. Query what if a pair of male heterosexual best friends agreed to have sex on film for an amateur porn contest? And turns it into a fought full revealing and challenging consideration of what it means to be a friend, a husband lover, and a straight man that is one Josh Larsen writing about hump day, a movie that came out in two thousand nine and was my number two movie that you're was initially thinking of Shelton as one of these filmmakers who might fit in nicely as one of the key filmmakers of this period. But actually, it's a little bit later if you look at we go way back in two thousand six which I haven't seen then my effortless brilliance, which is the first time, I think really garnered some attention and then hump day that was two thousand eight and nine and then we get your sister sister and touchy feely later on into the twenty later on into the twenty tens and the movie is this. Thoughtful consideration of what it means to be all of those things you touched on Joshua friend, a husband. It's very much a movie about marriage, and it's also very much a movie about art and about artists or people who at some point in their lives, find themselves questioning some of their choices and wanting to make some kind of emphatic statement, they want to put it in the parlance of some of the films. We've talked about here on the show so far to craft new narrative for themselves to break out of the story that they are currently in. And they think that this radical act being captured on film is going to be what does it for them them in this case is Marc dupe loss and Joshua Leonard who were best friends back in college and then reconnect here in their mid thirties. Stop trying to let me off the hook. Because you know, it sounds like and sounds like you're trying to put this off on me. You can't handle straight up straight up straight up. You would have sex with me on film for this project. Are absolutely do this you could or you would. I would do it. You would because I would. Really totally. But I don't think we should do this. Because like neither one wants to back down. Like this shouldn't be about us like each other. Like this should be about us. If we wanna make these art we should make a piece of art together. I think the I think the idea is how can weird, but I think it's great weird, but it's amazing to push boundaries. And that's could be arch ado, this movie that I do think offers a lot to think about but also is really funny and sit into this kind of mumble core concept, at least as far as being it seems mostly improvised structured, but improvised, those to have great chemistry together dupe loss and Leonard. And I guess at the end of the day any movie that can be called hump day and be as profound as it is deserves to be seen by more. People hump day is my number one overlooked film of the two thousand I like this. You should quote me in your picks more often. I don't think effort on that before worked wrong. But yeah, actually you there. We'll have your reasoning. Those are our top five overlooked films of the two thousands. I'm guessing we might have a few honorable mentions. I know I do because they were the movie's already mentioned by me on episode. Three ninety six obviously said, it was my never let me go memorial list all films from the two thousand somehow. I had shotgun stories the great Jeff Nichols debut enemies of the people documentary. I saw I believe at Sundance fast food nation from Richard link later black snake moan, the Craig brewer follow up to hustle and flow that Sam and I both adored and son of Rambo which salmon I saw a festival and also love those were the five that obviously would fit in great on this list. If they weren't already mentioned a couple others all throw out that I did seriously think about Josh John Cameron Mitchell's first two films Hedwige angry inches getting a criterion released. But I still don't feel like maybe gets the do it deserves. So I thought about it short buses and other film that I really do enjoy. Mysterious skin. I wouldn't say that Greg Iraqi films starring Joseph, Gordon Levitt is a film. I enjoy because it's a very tough set, but very well-made film and finally remain baronies men pushcart, maybe the number six film on this list for me. And I'm remember one Ebert particularly really championing yet. He did. In fact, I saw it for the first time in my Ebert class at the university of Chicago's Graham school when I did my remembering either course looking at films that he champion that brawny film was on the syllabus. There you go. All right. So I have a whole host of honorable mentions. I could get to I'm just going to grab a few from that how many other films Steve Conrad. Unfortunately, what I brought up where the highlights. All right. So dinosaur is this early Disney computer animated effort, that's beautiful artifact and also a moving survival story unfaithful is an infidelity drama with Richard Gere and a career high performance from Diane lane borrows, very heavily more. Heavily now, I can recognize after I've seen David leans masterful brief encounter. I just seen that recently and realized how much is that playing on like faith. Confessions of a dangerous mind. George Clooney's direct to'real debut still has best autofocus. This is an underrated Paul Schrader film. Yes, haven't seen it with Greg Kinnear as sex addict Hogan's heroes star, Bob crane. I'll just leave that their role bounce is Malcolm de lis sweet family drama set around a south side Chicago roller rink in nineteen seventy eight stars bowel remember bowel. Adam were you listened to him in the house, and then one more here skycap and in the world of tomorrow? A stunning first step into are now dominant movie world of digital special effects for better and for worse. But I just love how sky kept loss haven't seen that one. So a lot of films overlooked by the other host here on film spotting. I think that makes it a pretty good list, and I will point out, although we don't necessarily always list the honorable mentions if. We were going through those very quickly. You couldn't jot down some of the titles. You're curious about we put the titles for every top five list, including a lot of the clips that you hear played on the show other links that might be relevant on our website film, spotting dot net. You just click on lists at the top of the page, and you can look back at every single top five list and all the titles, the make are less. That's our show we reunited for one episode. And now you're off we're gonna have to ease back into this every week. I guess over at the website. You can also find fourteen years of reviews interviews top fives in the show archives, and you can vote it's finally come to the championship round of film. Spotting madness. Best of the two thousands paternal sunshine of the spotless mind, or there will be blood only one conservative. Also, if you haven't already please do check out our sister show, the next picture show. It's available wherever you listen to podcasts this week and the next week. They're going to pair up. Jordan peels us with Philip Kaufman's the invasion of the body snatchers. That's from nineteen seventy eight if you. And get yourself. A film spotting t shirt or any other merch visit film spotting dot net slash shop. If you wanna connect with Ataman, I on social media Facebook Twitter Adams at film, spotting I'm at Larson on film, and if you'd like to get the weekly film spotty newsletter. Just subscribe at film, spotting dot net slash newsletter out in wide release this weekend, the best of enemies, starring a couple of names that have come up on this very show. Trudgy P Hinson plays a civil rights activist named an water faces off against CPL's play by Sam Rockwell who is exalted cyclops of the Ku Klux Klan in nineteen seventy one. It said endure North Carolina over the issue of school integration. And wait a minute. I know I'm just immediately having three billboards flashbacks to all that criticism and Rockwell playing another racist character, and I'm I'm just not gonna see this film. Well, this sounds like a green book three billboards mash up nobody needs. But I'm more interested in. Exalted cyclo. Yeah. Is that really thing? Yeah. That's really a title. That's really a title. No wonder gowns. No wonder Spike Lee, saw the Ku Klux Klan as fodder for comedy. There. You go pet cemetery also out starring Jason Clark and Amy Siamese. John Lithgow also stars in that remake in Shas AM, which seems to be getting pretty good reviews. And when I took my kids my two youngest this past weekend to see how to train your dragon three. They wanted to see that those it's probably my least favorite of the three. It's fine. Gorgeous to look at. Yeah. It's fine. It's fine. The boys liked it a lot and they liked even more the she's AM trailer. So you're going to go to this weekend. Maybe I'm guessing I'm probably going to take them to that. And in limited release here. In Chicago ash is the purest white from the director Jia Jonker came up in our overlooked top five lists, the director of a touch of sin mountains may depart and still life. I still life is the only one of his films that I have seen. And I know Michael Phillips was just here last week gave this a glowing review in the Chicago Tribune said it was one of the best films of the year. So far next week. Josh you are out. And I think I'm doing okay, I'm going to replace you not only with Scott to buy but with cleared any. Adam bowl up and you're pretty good. Okay. Cleared a knee will be here. We will talk about her movie highlife starring Juliet bench, and Robert Pattinson, Scott Tobias from the next picture show will join the four discussion of that film. And we will do the honors of crowning the film, spotting madness champ film spotting is produced by golden Joe too. So and San Haugen without salmon, golden, Joe this show wouldn't go. Our production assistant is Andy Mitchell. Thanks also to Candice Griffith saying the listeners of the film spotting advisory board in special thanks to everyone at WBZ. Chicago. More information is available at WBZ dot org are music this week comes from hembo. More information is at Henry music dot com for film spotty. I'm Josh Larsen met him Dr. Thanks for listening this conversation, conserve no purpose anymore.

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A Standstill In The Trial Of Harvey Weinstein

The Topical

08:33 min | 11 months ago

A Standstill In The Trial Of Harvey Weinstein

"Retrial of Harvey Weinstein has been postponed indefinitely. Could the judge landing a major role in an upcoming Hollywood blockbuster have anything to do with it and later a new study released yesterday has found that everyone is doing something fun and interesting their lives except for you which begs the question. And what's wrong with you from the onion and onion public radio. This is the topical. I'm Leslie Price and the time has come for you to make peace with your newsmaker staying with us. The topic is presented by cash APP. The number one finance APP in the APP store on Your Public Radio is a nonprofit organization. So I don't have a sent into my name but if I did I would use cash up the simplest way to send and receive money at ten dollars when you download cache APP using Promo Code topical over one hundred women have come forward to accuse him of sexual official harassment assault and rape but today the trial of disgraced movie producer. Harvey Weinstein has been postponed indefinitely. After the presiding judge booked a huge part in an upcoming mink feature film here with Moore's OPR crime and entertainment correspondent. Marcy Hamon Marcy. This is shocking news for anyone. Following Weinstein's trial it is Leslie. Prosecutors looked visibly ably stunned leaving the courtroom this morning after they along with the jury and Weinstein's defense team learned that Judge James Burke had halted the trial for the foreseeable future in a separate announcement cement lantern entertainment the successor. The Weinstein Company confirmed burke has been cast in a new action adventure production due out next year. This was all confirmed by judge. burks new agent Patrick Hatrick kilkenny. Huge congrats justice. James Burke on landing his first ever role in the upcoming film jump for your life the film's producers informed me. They knew he was perfect for the role before I even auditioned just radiates star power and I'm positive. This is just the first step in a long successful acting career for your honor. No as far as anyone knows. Judge Burke has no prior acting experience. But now he's anchoring a major studio moving well the role is definitely a big break for Burke but the movie is more of a vehicle for its main star. Dr Casey Affleck the Fifty Eight Year Old New York Supreme Court justice plays afflicts sexy yet tough as nails love interest. A part originally intended for Scarlett Johansson who according to producer. It was forced to drop out. last-minute lucky break for Burke now Weinstein's trial has already been pushed back once leaving many of his accusers frustrated by what they see as a continued miscarriage of justice does judge Burke and tend to return to the bench at some point and resume Harvey Weinstein's criminal trial so according to the Hollywood reporter Judge Burke has actually signed a minimum three picture deal l. with Lantern Entertainment and through the deal. The judges also obligated to stay on for any possible sequels. Should the film become a franchise. Plus you have to take into account promotional tours right at in post production and re-shoots and burke may not be able to preside on the Weinstein case until twenty twenty four at the earliest. So right. Now it's looking dead in the water you said. The courtroom. Rome was stunned by the news. Now that the shock has worn off. How are people reacting well? Prosecutors are begging burke to conduct the trial and days. He's not called to set. They say that while his role is substantial he'll probably spend the majority of his time in his trailer waiting on the production. Crews Weinstein's attorneys on the other hand said they're happy. The judge finally got his break. They've even been urging burke to move to La. It does sound like a plot straight out of a Hollywood movie. Doesn't it a small town. State Supreme Court Justice who becomes a star after being discovered in his chambers. I'd pay to see it that's OPR's Marcy Hamed thank you marcy. Keep US updated when jump for your life. Hits theaters sure thing. A new report came out earlier this week. That is well fascinating to say the least researchers at Indiana University determined that everyone is doing something fun and interesting assisting with their lives except for you. Obviously this is a pretty big. Finding that does not bode well for your life one bit. According to the study you yes you the person listening to this podcast or not doing anything noteworthy satisfying or enjoyable while everyone else around you is deriving a lot of pleasure in meaning out of their own time on earth but what does this mean. I'm lucky to be joined here in the studio by one of the study's authors from Indiana University's sociology department. Dr Anne Lead actor Lee. Thanks for being here. Thanks for having me the helped me break this down. How exactly exactly did this study work? And what did you find. Well this has been a decades long research project and our team studied thousands and thousands of people their work lives personal. Lives everything what we found. Statistically is that you that's right you out. There are wasting your pathetic life while everyone else is having a total blast and doing something. They love everyone everyone else or just some other people. It seems to be everyone you the person listening right now just aren't living nearly exciting life compared to your neighbors friends. Co workers workers even strangers across the world. That's a lot of people it is and they're all having so much fun. Well you unfortunately are not you are are trapped in this feeble dreary life while everyone else is thriving. Look around you right now. While you're listening to this yes you do it. Every other person you you see is significantly happier and more fulfilled than you are and if you don't see anyone else right now that's just further evidence that you're pathetic and alone. What about people? Who seem sad and tired tired? They're not only you are. Your coworkers aren't board when they look at their computer screens Baristas and waiters and cashiers. Who Ring you up? We found that the only moments in their lives. That aren't aren't thrilling and rewarding other brief moments they spend dealing with you. It's also worth noting that everyone else is making great choices every day and working in fields that they're passionate about which is another way that they're different from you and something. I find it especially interesting about this. Study Dr Lee is that it seems to confirm what the person listening to this right now has suspected for awhile. That's right the idea Adia that everyone else is really making something of their lives except for you who is toiling away in a world of tedious. Banality you've probably thought these things before. And now you know they're true through when you're talking to somebody about your life and it looks like the spark goes out of their eyes and you're droning on. You're not making that up our study. Found that when you're talking about what you did today to someone else. They're not listening to you. They're thinking about other cooler stuff though interesting. Have you experienced that. Oh no I haven't because my life is good and interesting and fun right now. Anti what impact will the study have. Is it good news or bad news. Help me unpack this whole thing. Yes so it's complicated. If you're someone else is great news for you but if you're you it's bad news news very bad news. It should understandably make you rethink some things. If you think that you're happy you're lying to yourself if you're hearing this and thinking she's talking about someone else. I'm fun and interesting when you're wrong. You're not if you think that listening to the news every day like you're doing right now makes you a compelling person think again so doctor Lee. The report clearly took many years to put together. How has has been received so far well so far? It hasn't gotten much press. Most people don't care about it because they're off living their great fun meaningful lives but you. You should care about it a lot me in Intel. No not you leslie. The person listening to this. I'm just joking. I know you didn't mean me. I host a podcast for God's sake and here I am a guest on the podcast cast as it being an expert in sociology wasn't enough it can be sad thinking about how great our lives are compared to the person listening to this and not that said. Oh No we don't get that-that never well doctor. Thanks for being here. Of course this is so fun. Here's what else do you need to know today at least on a surface level. So you don't look like a dumb ass when they come up in conversation. President trump tight thousands of balloons to the White House roof today. He was attempting to sail away from his ongoing impeachment and so far his plan seems to be working. A study published by radiologists at Johns Hopkins has confirmed that it is indeed indeed harmful to rub a cell phone on your genitals for ten hours a day. The study also concluded that it was pretty weird that you were doing that in the first place. Ten hours is a long time. And if you're like like me and a little behind on things after the holidays it's okay because health officials are reminding people that it's not too late to get your two thousand fourteen flu shots better late eight to never I suppose well. That's it for the topical today. Join US tomorrow for the story of beloved local bar closing its doors after fifty. Incredible years of over serving customers liners including until then. I'm Leslie Price and this has been the new.

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Filmmaker Series: Casey on Manchester by the Sea

Movie Crush

1:15:30 hr | 3 weeks ago

Filmmaker Series: Casey on Manchester by the Sea

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Listen to humans growing stuff on the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcast. Welcome to move crush. Production of iheartradio Hey everybody welcome to movie crush here on election week. Friday with casey. We just got all our election talk out of the way beforehand. Because he wants to hear that. I have to say. It's it's thursday chuck so if something happened between thursday and friday we may not know. Our commentary might be a little bit behind here. Yeah of course. Recording on thursday for the crushers. It's friday but what we're doing casey is. We're finishing up our Kenneth lonergan tragedy trilogy. Yeah it really just hit me. When i was watching manchester by the sea. That's there is a devastating tragedy sort of at the center of each of these movies. Yes i made. I made a lot of notes with just all the kind of shared themes than that we see over and over through these three films and yeah it's it's really cool the now that we've gotten through all three of them we can kind of look at the whole body of work and final these commonalities because they are sort of like very much variations on a theme these three films. Yeah against before we really get going. I'll just give you my overall. I never saw this for some reason. It was depressing and so we didn't see it when it came out and it was kind of one of those we just of kicked down the road enough to where it fell out of our our view. So we emily. And i both watched it. And i'm gonna include some of her comments along the way but for both of us. It fell a little cold compared to his other ones. I think that's deliberate. Yeah and i think it was. It didn't move me emotionally or her emotionally like something like this normally would especially things like the death of children. Usually where like weepy messes and for it just really didn't get me that way And i there was a maybe. It was deliberate. But i think it was a lot of had to do with the coldness not that he was a cold character. Casey affleck but he there was no. There was not a lot of outward emotion from him through the movie. He's fairly stoic. And i think there was just a distance between me connecting emotionally to the movie. I liked it. But i liked this least of his three interesting. Yeah i i know that this one. The first time i saw it. I saw it in the theater like opening week probably and i liked it a lot but i did like you have maybe a little bit more of a subdued reaction to it. It doesn't have that kind of warm Maybe a little bit more humanist. Kind of feel to it yeah. There is a slight distance in a slight coolness to it which i think is thematically appropriate for the character himself. You know who has basically kind of given up on life without dying. He's just kind of going through the motions. Yeah and i mean. I think this is even something you see in the cemetery of the film which this is his first film digitally. And there's a kind of stability to the image of the time and there's a little bit less obviously. There's a lot less color because it's winter. It's very great. It's kind of desaturate. It'd in in places But i think something about the cleanness of the image in the lack of grain and just like the sharpness and the kind of I don't know it's a little more like literal of an image and a little bit less kind of like a status or romantic or something all of that kind of contributes to the slightly colder feeling of the film. The whole film kind of feels like the that opening sequence in the hospital and so on everything has that kind of like very neutral. Nothing really pops. Everything's just kind of this this Dampened color palette and then of course over the course of the film as the seasons change. Once he gets to spring it starts to kind of thaw out. he's emotionally thawing a bit and the film warms up a little bit. But there's still kind of like Yeah i would. I would say there's more of a distance in this film than the other two. I sure did find that's interesting. I didn't know it was digital. I did find that. I thought this was his best looking of the three movies interesting Maybe that had something to do with the digital Crispness and you know. Did you stream it on amazon streaming on amazon and it also had a I think just visually. Although there were there are some pretty shots in kinda me with the the the low lying mountains and hills and stuff but the i think the seaside hamlet in the wintertime is just a little more i candy yes. Sure and i and i love the love seaside. Hamlet is a setting. It's like i'm a sucker manned whether it's popeye or manchester by the sea like there's something about a little town surrounding small body of water. That just wanna live in. These places is what it absolutely. I feel the same way. There's just something very even though it's extremely cold. There's something very warm about it somehow. Yeah and he he also does the his usual. Great job of efficient set up He's just such a master at setting up a place setting a place in time and a character in the beginning sequence with casey affleck shoveling that snow and fixing the toilets. Doing this handyman. Work is just a few minutes. And you're like i know this guy no areas. We learn later why he is really tells you a lot about who. This guy is very quickly new. You have kind of like that. Margaret effect of like. You're seeing these little tiny vignettes into the lives of each person that he's working for where you're overhearing their phone conversations or you're just kind of you're getting this little snippet of this person and you kind of understand. Like whatever. Problem is happening with their shower their toilet or the light in there you know fan or whatever like this is peripheral to the other things that have going on in their life and so all day long. He's kind of getting this window into the lives of these other people where he has no life whatsoever himself because anytime anybody even attempts to get close to him he just pushes them away immediately. Yeah and that happens a couple of times early on. He's in the bathroom fixing that one woman's toilet and he he can hear her talking about like crush on my handyman blah blah blah blah and. She's like cute and he comes out like it's on dude like go for exactly and then in the bar. That girl tries to talk to him He also i think there's a little bit of the mark ruffalo. You can count on me character in this as far as just this anger within because loss starting random fights. There's the dna in all three of these movies. I'm curious where he goes next to be honest but sure. I don't think he can keep going down this road. This felt like trilogy. It does feel like he has to kind of reinvent a little bit after this one or it's going to start to get a little repetitive is. He regarded as a trilogy. I don't think he's really talked about it in those in those terms. I mean i know when in interviews and sawn when people kind of bring up these common thematic links between the three He's a little bit like he kinda defers to like. Well that's just like the stuff of life like if these if these things recur. I don't think about them consciously. They just kind of emerge out of the stories. That i'm telling in the things i'm interested in and the kind of that all of us as human beings. Yeah yeah well but also a lot of humor. I mean i think this film is interesting. I don't know if you would as much humor in it but to me like the dynamic between like leeann patrick is a lot of the time. But that's something that i think on a repeat viewing starts to come out more just just some of the funny little moments between the two of them like one against cameo in. This is very funny to me when the guy walking. Yeah yeah yeah. He's the do you buddy. Fuck you exactly. I love that scene. Yeah he was awesome. I mean we'll round out the cast of the great great great michelle williams who is doesn't have a huge part in this. But she's just she's one of the best. Lucas hedges is patrick. Who was great. He's chandler and a yup pretty small roll but very pivotal absolutely gretchen. Mol see and herp up. yeah. I haven't seen her in a long time. She you hear onscreen again and then of course. Broddrick love cnn. Yup yup should we have the case. Yeah conversation yeah sure so you know. He's a great actor. I love him as an actor. I was very disappointed when all that stuff came out about his poor behavior. And i sort of like i remembered. Obviously i remembered that happening remembered especially at kind of seemed to resurface especially in the oscar run-up in two thousand sixteen. And so on. That's when i think that stuff kind of really broke out into mainstream consciousness. Because i think that stuff had kind of been settled out of court and like kept hush hush Around two thousand ten twenty eleven whenever the whenever that was happening and yet. It's i don't know like one thing that i had not really been been consciously aware of is that he and joaquin phoenix. Were very very close for a long time. Yeah they like the same building in new york. Yeah casey exactly. I was married to a phoenix sisters. They have like matching tattoos. And actually when. I was watching the film this time. It's the first time i've noticed this. There's a scene where he's like reclining on a bed and you can see the tattoo on his arm. It's just like this circle thing that That joaquin and casey got like matching tattoos in italy at some point and Yeah then then. That marriage ended and walking phoenix when he was doing. Press for. Joker just just said basically like yeah. We don't talk anymore. We haven't talked in probably three or four years really that marriage ended. And we're not really in contact anymore. So obviously there's probably a lot more to that story to and he's definitely like taking his sister's side. Obviously yeah i mean it was very disappointing. I'm a we don't have to go down this road fully and had this big talk about cancel culture. But i believe in forgiveness. I believe people paying their debts He was very Very remorseful he lost everything. He lost his wife. He lost his family You know he almost came on the show. I don't know if we ever talked about that. But wow no. I did not know that there was a chance to have him on the show at one point and it was sort of when this was going on a little more not in real time but with oscars right and i said listen and i was talking to his publicist said. I can't watch this under the sweep it under the carpet. And i said i would like to be able to talk to him about it though in a way where he has an opportunity to speak to it. I know he does is very regretful and remorseful than i do. Believe that people can be forgiven an asset. And i wouldn't you know i i could be an avenue for that. I said but i would wanna talk about it. She came back to me later and said hey listen it's not gonna work out. She you know had nothing to do with that. I did talk to him about that and he really appreciated your Your take on that and would have would have talked about it with you She's like so that's not why we're we're not able to do it it's a scheduling thing. But i don't know i just. I hate that. it happened. I hope he is and i think he has cleaned up his act since then because i really really love him as an actor he seems to me like a very genuine person in in very down to earth. I know that can be. That can be very tricky to kind of feel that from an actor because of course they are actors and if they're really good as he is they're very good at at. Maybe even a presenting themselves as something that they're not you know that can that can even make somebody more capable of manipulation. If they're if they're capable of you know just appearing like sony's got their head on their shoulders and is not like a big hollywood kind of phony or whatever. Yeah like like you said. It's it's very very sad. it's disappointing. Everybody makes mistakes right but in this particular case you know he he talks a lot about like it. It was basically during the shooting of. I'm not there right. The commentary with with joaquin phoenix both lost their. During that whole thing the whole film had kind of like a sort of drug fueled like crazy. Debaucherous yeah sort of like extreme blurring of the lines and so on and so when he talks about the the incidence he kinda puts it down to like. I really was not fully conscious of the authority. That i wielded. As director and the effect that that has from from the producers and the crew on down because it was his producer demographer that where the two that filed suits against him. And i i can kind of see where he's coming from. You know but at the same time. It's just no excuse. It's it's a bummer. There's no two ways around it and it is. It's one of those things where it's like. It just sucks. 'cause i love this film. I love him as an actor. And it's just Yeah it's like a bad note and it's hard to kind of see anything else that he does quite the same way and it kind of complicates the way that we perceive his work. So i mean. I'm certainly not gonna stop watching his films but at the same time it's just sort of like it's just unfortunate you know. Yeah so back to the movie. I think we have to talk about that. You know could absolutely yeah. No i'm glad we did and it was. It was certainly it was. It was front of my mind more watching at this time. I think than than any other time. I've seen the film i've seen it probably four or five times now One of the things. I love was how how honest lee was. Yeah he was one of these guys. That was just unflinchingly honest and You know he doesn't. There's never a false moment where he's trying to be anything other than what he is. Which is a devastated wreck of a human And the only time. He seemed kind of come to life. And those are great scenes. Those flashbacks a movie. That does a lot of flashback but this flashbacks on the boat when his When patrick has a kid right and it's a senior just so lovely and real and that's to see him alive is is the most impactful when compared to the rest of his life in the movie. Absolutely that sequence also where. He's home with three kids and ricky's and she's like sick in bed and kind of hugging the kids individually and like the first time you see the movie you don't really unless you've read about it ahead of time you realize there's gonna be some tragedy but i mean just just from the structure the fact that now he's living this life of complete isolation. Yeah and then. there's this flashback. And then there's kind of like suddenly there's a whole family there and you're kind of start to put those pieces together and your head like oh no like what happened because you've already seen how people reacted anyway. They they act as if he's the sort of like mythical figure like oh my god. That's chandler lake. Yeah everybody in. The town clearly knows what went on but we as the audience don't know it yet but but just this tragedy was going to be kyle. Chandler's death right or not going to be. I thought it was while i was watching it. And there were those scenes with the family. We're coming what's going on and I just thought that he had gotten divorced. And then this legend of lee chandler thought that he had It was a pretty good little mystery. I'm glad i didn't look into it beforehand. Because i thought that he had done something really bad in the past like killed somebody in a bar fight or something right with his family left and then yeah when it's the fucking house fire who God and emily that's when she got really mad at the movie was she and she thought that kenneth lonergan went too far with bringing out the kid bodybags in terms of the sort of emotional manipulation. She's like she's like. I literally think he should not have done that. As a filmmaker. It was too far. We get it anyway. You did not need to show the body bags. I could see that. I mean to me. He's he's reliving that moment. And i don't know how realistic that is. Apparent would actually just still be there hanging around as that's all unfolding because you notice when he walks back. It's like night which. I guess you can assume it's probably maybe four five in the morning so the sun's going to be coming up pretty soon but there's like a transition between the fire at night and then it sort of like daylight and they're loading michelle williams into Ambulance on the stretcher. In all that and so clearly like some some time has passed and did sort of. Like the first time watching i was like. Is that really how that would play out. Would they just already kind of like not be there would he. Maybe have gone to the hospital with her rather than stick around while the firefighters are kind of just like combing through the wreckage and finding the three bodies and so on That that to me felts maybe slightly unrealistic or something but but at the same time like like you were saying you have that one moment where they'll trying to load the stretcher into the ambulance in the legs keep falling down. What was your take on. That was in an accident a happy accident. It could be could have been something that just happened. And they decided to keep it in. But i mean it is. It is very much in keeping with what he does in In all of his fans undercuts he undercuts like dramatic. Kind of almost maybe melodramatic moment with just like the messiness of real life and and you know the the kind of clumsiness that undercuts some of the seriousness or or leased it. Just it just shows us that things. Don't play out in these kind of clean isolated ways that you know what real life is messy and there's always stuff going on. Yeah and there's something to. I mean i know why he does. These films centered around a tragedy is because it's such a deep well to dip into I think people. I think humans are maybe as true to their base character as that as during a tragedy. Then maybe at any other time. Yeah it's like when you reveal your core. Yeah you're forced to centers around these tragedies and like it's just such a rich canvas character wise and he's just he's all about character character character. Yeah the writings. Good cinematography scrape acting great. But it's really all about just making these fully formed human beings and he works in such a kind of you can say realist tradition. Yeah like his films feel very very real. There's not a lot of artifice. There's not a lot of heightened or elevated moments. Nothing really rings false. You know it's it's sort of like you're you're to feel like you're kind of dropped into somebody's real life and you're watching these scenes which is interesting in this film because i i will say like with the semi tog. Raphy he uses. I think more wide shots in this film then the others and even in dramatic scenes. The scene where. Patrick is finding out that his dad died. Yeah and he just hangs on that wide shot kind of from the perspective of the other players on the team and the coach man or watching at a distant gray and you don't hear any of the dialogue between patrick and lee. You know as he's telling about this because you can just love that. Because how do you write that scene. You know like it's always gonna feel kinda cliche so you might as well hang back at a distance and then just the audience can fill in those blanks for themselves in a way. That feels more true. Yeah he doesn't want to get a big fan of the the dialogue free scene that you see people talking from a distance by the way really quick. Emily's coming in and out in the background if anyone here's doors opening and shutting us what it is told her. Don't worry about it But the that seemed to when the after he's told leaves and his hockey buddies come over in comfort him. Yeah that was a really great moment to because again. I don't think even heard what they were saying. And you just saw them do what teenagers do like is just sort of like a a physical touch of comfort. Yeah because you know what to do at that age. They just handed him a little bit in hugged him. Yeah i kept thinking. Like patrick does have this whole network of friends and family around him to give him that support emotionally when this happened And lee is so much the opposite you know. Nobody does have some of that family. But it's like he. He pushes them all away so he doesn't allow you know because he doesn't want him exactly he doesn't want to heal any also even more than that. He wants to punish himself. You know i think. That's the core of. There's you know that brutal scene where he's in the police station and they tell him like you know he. He recounts the story and then tell them like all right. Well if we have any further questions will be in touch. You know you're free to go and he's like what are you talking about like you arresting me basically. Yeah exactly. he's just he said. We're not gonna crucify you you know. There's there's no law against like forgetting to put the screen on the on. The fireplace made a mistake. Like a million other people. That was tough. I in he was just like you could see it on his face even said so. I can go like yeah like. He doesn't want to know he wants to go to jail. He wants to die like that. It's it's just moments later that he that he takes the gun from from the coppa and then tries to set off. That i mean. That whole sequence was amazing. Man that whole long unbroken shot at plays out like a confession basically right crime. Yeah slow push cuts. Oh got a good. And then when he when he steals cops gun and tries to. I mean if it would have been a revolver he would kill himself but it was a mag What you call them. Whatever a gun with a clip so we had to like cock it and get get in the chamber and because squeeze ought to bully chamber just brutal. I mean this is. This is a fucking tough movie man. But you know that. That's a very common. That's that's a real deep. Shared dna with margaret in the sense of like the central tragedy that the characters feel like they have a large responsibility for and yet society just kind of lets them keep going on their way and they deal about it. They deal with it in different ways. You know. margaret is moral. Lisa is more interested in Holding the bus driver accountable. Maybe getting him off the road but she also wants to them to just have that private acknowledgement lake. We both know. We had a large responsibility for this. Let's just admit that themselves even if there's no legal consequences lead doesn't have anywhere to go other than to just live this like spartan life where he's you know he's breathing but he's not really living he's just kind of like a shell and like it really hits me In the scene where the young patrick and and lee's brother joe They they come to visit him in that little one room like bunker that he's living at and he says to him. This is not a room. Yeah where's the furniture. He's like he's like. This is not furniture table. Yeah and just like a bed on you know on the mattress on the ground basically. Yeah and so then you know. And he says like get off my back he even then he doesn't want to you know he just wants to live in like the most discomforting like spartan kind lifestyle And if you can go to jail. He's going to put himself in jail. Essentially right he's going to construct his own prison himself. Love you get. He doesn't even have sex or anything. Not right right and that's just sort of this monastic And you know he he he. The that's the other tragedy also lost this great big brother. yeah so this is sort of a dual tragedy and another film with A relationship with a a nephew in an uncle Just like you can count on me right right. That was interesting. Yeah both both are sort of. You have a a kid who's lost a parent. Who now has this new kind of surrogate parent But in both cases the surrogate parent is not quite up to the task. You know they try. But they can't quite outrun their demons. Like like casey affleck says in that scene near the end he's just like i can't beat it. 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He's walking up this hill. And he runs into ricky and as soon as he runs into her. There's like a hard cut of the song a fate or anything. It's just like a hard stop randy. Yeah randy they say ricky yet michelle williams. Yeah michelle williams. I thought it was for some reason. I thought it was. Ricky is randy. It's randy okay but yeah music stops. Yeah it's hard cut. And then i think that that's the thing that like had he not run into her. Had that like coincidental. Kind of thing happened. He might have actually continued to sort of like warm up and open up and and sort of like who's inch invested in this new life. Yeah he was inching that way and then after that like the very next scene he goes to the bar starts drinking. He starts a bar fight. It gets the shit kicked out of him and you know from from the non. He's just sort of like. I can't do this. You know i tried. And i can't do it and it's very very similar to the kind of self sabotaging behavior Mark ruffalo does and you can count on me where he starts the fight with the biological data the kid. It's this thing where they sort of like like you were saying. Maybe it is that he's decided for himself deep down somewhere. I can't do this or i don't want to do this. And they're almost manufacturing a reason so that everyone else will accept that they're not up to it. Yeah i think he's i think for him to do that and to move on would be to in some way. Forgive himself for what happened and won't allow that. He is like we said he is. He is if they're not gonna put them in jail. He's going to build his own life like that and he won't you know i'm kinda glad they didn't show the ins the the specifics of how his marriage ended because it leaves the audience to kind of just think about like. Could she not be around him anymore. Could he. Not being around her or could they just was just such a constant reminder. They there was just no way for them to continue. Probably all the above. But you do you do get some idea. That in that in that scene where they're suddenly close to each other and they have to talk and the baby's right there and everything and she says to him like i said some things to you. I oughta go to hell for what i said to you. I get the impression that she put the blame entirely on him. Unloaded on it like you killed our children. You ruined our lives. Whatever she might have said that that. I think in the way she wants to. She wants to forgive him if he or she has forgiven him but he wants or she wants him to forgive himself and he says to her like There's nothing there you know that i love that seem because if you if you really break it down line-by-line they're almost not saying anything like there's no finish thoughts really. There's just these little fragments there and they're kind of grasping at words and they can't really fully articulate michelle williams even says beginning. She's like. I don't have anything big to say. Yeah she has line. Can we have lunch sometime. Which that line kills me. Because she's just saying like could we. Could we move past this. Because i still love you and i still care about you. Think they'd love you other still. When showed the flashback. They were a couple of very much in love. And i think that's a that's a very purposeful thing is to unequivocally be like. They were doing great until right happened. I mean there was. She was kinda mad at him about having the party. And stuff but yeah. You didn't get the feeling that he was some shit husband and that they didn't have a good relationship because of that great team when he climbs on her in the bed and they're around like yeah for a marriage to end because of tragedy. When you still love each other is in a couple of movies. it's really really hard And you know as a parent like emily. And i see the stuff and we're dislike. How you how do you go on. How do you yeah you gotta break up in. Just forget about each other almost well. There's there's a line in in in margaret where they're talking about The the woman. I can't even remember her name. The woman who gets killed in margaret gals jay Yeah where A lisa says how did she bear it. Losing a child and she said well first of all she couldn't you know yeah in second of all she she sort of like forced herself to to move on anyway. But it's like you never are okay with it. Yeah you're gonna be sad about your heart's to be broken the rest of your life you know And you just have to either learn to deal with that somehow or if you're if you're chandler you just suppress it all. And when he says there's nothing there he's really trying to say like. I've just closed off my emotions. I not handled it. You know i've not dealt with it. I've just decided to pretend that. I'm kind of like a robot or something you wonder why hasn't killed himself yet. Yeah well it's i. I don't know it is you do kind of wonder that because who's living for. There's there's nobody. There's nothing i mean. It's not a little bit but they were sure deranged. Yeah they hadn't seen each other in a while you know the others. Death is what brings them back together. Yeah i guess. Brother think naming him as the the guardian the will without even having talked to lee about it because lee says like you never talked about it with me because he knows going to say no. Yeah so that's true. That's that's like his brothers. Final act is to force him into this kind of surrogate parent role to try and say as as exactly to try to save his brother to try to kind of give him a life and give him some structure and give him something to kind of grow and evolve as a person and that that's something that is very common shared. Dna with you can count on me where it's not that they don't change at all but they don't do a full one. Eighty eight change like ten percent. You know which is really instead of where they're like. Yeah all of a sudden at the end of the hollywood version. Lee chandler is has founded new his writing lala land dancing in the street. He's he's yeah. He's probably dating the mom of patrick's girlfriend. Maybe yeah the single mom with her. That's exactly right what happened. And that's you know he has this new life in the small town and you know maybe he finds a way to be friends with michelle williams again. Yeah yeah you can you can. You can totally see where that movie would go. But that's not where someone to have been through such such tragedy and the ways that people deal with it. Yeah it would. It would kind of ring faults. And i would. It would certainly like that would be even more manipulative than than what we end up with. You know given the severity of what happens and everything like for it to just turn around and almost be like a romcom or something that would be a real tonal. Mismatch so yeah. That's i think in a way. Yeah a little bit longer doesn't do that you know. He's he's all about reality. In real life he resists the kind of i was listening to this lecture. He gave In in london on screen writing. And you know. At one point. There was a question from the moderator. Like what do you think about screen writing classes. And he's like. I don't know what three x structure is. You know i. I i see people. You know. Trying to force their scripts into these preconceived notions of you have to establish the character by ten pages. There has to be a complete turnaround by the end. there needs to be a reversal. All this kind of stuff And he's like ultimately you're just trying to authentically communicate a character and he feels like when when something rings false in a movie. Oftentimes it's because the screenwriter is kind of working from the outside end like they are. They're starting off with what they think. An audience may want to see a was to happen exactly. And it's not something that arises organically from the reality of that situation is something that's imposed from the outside and so win win. A line rings faults. Maybe it's because the character wouldn't actually talk like that. They're talking more like a screenwriter. You know or they're talking like what is necessary for them to say in this situation so that you know all all the mechanics of the screenplay workout in a certain way But to him like the the key to good art is to just you know. Trust the character. Trust that the reality of your own lived experience And rather than think What would this character say in. This kind of fictional heightened way. It's like what would i say. What would from from the life that. I've lived in the experiences that i've had. How would this situation really play out as opposed to this kind of artificial thing. Yeah i love that. I'm gonna have to check that lecture out. The other thing. I love is how he doled out and counting how we always doles out back story. There's a lot of times mystery going on but it doesn't feel like a mystery right and we already talked about sort of the tragedy of the fire but Gretchen mol and the mom like the whole time. Emily was like where she where she she. And then we learned that she had a drinking problem. And it's not you don't flash back to that and he doesn't spell it out in exact terms but you get the gist of what happened. And now she has this new life as you know. I mean if you're born again. I guess or yes i think i think. That's the implication. Yeah like when when patrick said afterward afterwards like she was very christian or or the the man was matthew. Broderick is very christian. And then sort of christian to catholics or christians but they had this different tradition like catholic on the one side. And then you know probably protestant something on the other and yeah just the obviously like the. It's not really touched on that much in the film but catholicism in general like the presence of guilt in that particular Tradition is very heavy. So it's like. I think that plays into it too. That that lee sort of doesn't necessarily believe in the idea of redemption. He believes in this like carrying this guilt. And like you're a bad person and you'll always be a bad person and that kind of thing. Yeah it was great broderick. Like i said in that scene where he gets the email basically saying like you gotta come through me if you wanna see her again and it was clear. Once patrick was air he didn't wanna be there. That's a painful scene because they keep having these miscues and false steps and there's no report and you know when when matthew broderick says to him you know your job is to to just be relaxed and be at home and And patrick says to him like all right. Well i'm really gonna apply myself and then broderick doesn't really see the humor in that He's like no no no i. I was just joking in the as well. Yeah i was too but just keep of stepping on each other's lines and it's a real masterclass and like just things not clicking. You know y- again. That's very realistic. Because what are you gonna do. You're gonna you're gonna meet your mom who you haven't seen since you're probably a child and she's become this completely different person and there's this other kind of weird guy hanging around and you're trying to do this forced like family dinner and everything's they're all being so polite and they're all being so fake You know and it's just it's just really really sad to To see that they they don't have that real moment you know there's there's no like connection there just kind of the. Everybody wants to connect but but they're not really doing what they need to have. That happen. Yeah in that kid. Man look at said great. I haven't seen us lady bird. Of course i have not seen boy erased. Which i really wanna see but or been as back but he is really good and i think not whole name but now he's got the face that a lot of people are probably like wait. I've seen that kid something but he's really good. You get some great some great accents. I love that that i that pasta and exit when his friends are sitting around after the wake. Yeah they're talking about star trek shock jokes. He really liked those jokes. Yeah yeah no. He's he's create. i feel like this is. This is the kind of role that jesse eisenberg would have been great for like a few years earlier. Yeah a little bit younger. And i think Lucas hedges has a similar kind of lake. He's very good at playing intelligence in playing sort of just like Being being like a reasonable well-adjusted kind of kid like a kid There's there's so many scenes where Lucas hedges like the adult in the situation between the two of them. You know lease behaving like a child like a petulant petty. Just like a jerk. He's being being addict for no reason. And and it's always like patrick. Who has kind of like b b the grownup in the situation. You know one one example of that is when Patrick says to their friend. Like do you want to become as guardian or whatever. They're standing on the boat. He's like you want to be as guardian and it really puts them on the spot where he's like. Look we love this kid we. He's got a bed anytime he wants to stay at our house but like i've got four kids. I'm trying to lose kids as trying to take. It was really hard and it puts them in such a hard place where he has like. No no no. You shouldn't feel bad about not wanting right exactly like no no no. You're exactly look like no no no. You're great lake. I understand this is very unfair. When he's saying to you and asteroid well played when it's just the two of them is sort of like what is wrong with you. you know. you can't to people that way. But i love it. It's like the sixteen year. Old teaching the probably. What thirty forty something. How to be an adult and similar happens and you can count on me. there's always this kind of like shift in reversal at times between who's quote unquote the grown up. The child both play with is a rival. Have something to kind of offer each other but one of my favorite shots in the movie jumping back to the hockey scene was A kind of forgot about it but when he's consoled and stuff and then he goes to leave and hockey practice practice continues as that great wide shot of him at the edge of the rink skating very slowly this way and then that whole rush of the whole team skating really fast in the opposite it was visually striking shot and it was also too so laurie like And you know. I don't wanna get to too wacky and did like symbolism of shots but you know him by himself going in one direction and everyone that he loves on that team going fast in the complete opposite direction. Right great shots that you love to see in movies like this. Absolutely and yeah. It's kind of a again. A margaret sort of thing of life goes on you know. His two friends are obviously going to be affected by but everybody else on the team. Who's maybe not as close to him are just sort of like no. 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I'm gonna use that like he's not going to be shy about using these great scores. Yeah it's very. It's very bold. it's very confident i know. For for some critics some viewers like jonathan rosenbaum a critic. I like quite a bit. Who loved margaret and had a lot more trouble with this film one of his really. I think is central. Complaint was the way music is used Because i think i think the use of music in this film is a little bit more direct in overbearing In a way that it's not so much in in the previous film. Yeah i mean it's hit or on purpose. It's part of. It's part of what he's doing with this phone because like i said earlier like this is a very naturalistic film like his other films. But at the same time there is a little bit more of a distance. There's a little bit more of a sense of a frame of the camera being back from where the actors are. We're we're always at a little bit of a remove that's coming from the character of lia's well but the music gives it this framing as like it's not just the story of this one guy's life it's like a tragedy you know capital t. Tragedy like in drama that we've seen for hundreds of years kind of thing In so it in a way it's it's it's elevating the story above just a slice of life into this kind of like you know grand tragic dramatic story and just go for it. He embraces that rather than not use a score. I mean i think it would be very interesting to see this film without you know without music in it without much of a score. How how that might play. But i do like it. I mean for me. it's not a problem. i think. I think it totally works in that kind of interesting. Mashup of styles of the naturalism but at the same time to kind of heightened Score in drama. It makes for an interesting kind of next year. I mean if you're it's almost like like you said you gotta have the confidence to do it and know that Hey it's almost like films student. Move to put barber's adagio. Exactly exactly and he's like fuck it though it's like it's one of the best if it works it works right and certainly the situation merits it. Oh absolutely not like It's not like something trivial happened. Here comes adagio for strings. It's like one of the worst possible things you could imagine in. The whole world happens and like the situation the the gravity of it certainly merit that kind of that kind of music. If that's the direction that the filmmaker wants to go in so yeah and he was just he was so stoic. It was a catharsis for the viewer. I think win after that other bar fight when he finally breaks down because he didn't even mean there weren't even shots of him sitting around crying by himself in the middle of the night it was just stoicism. It was just yeah. He was just dead inside and seen that i thing with michelle williams. There's just nothing in there man. He's just an empty shell of a human. And that's hard to watch. Like you want your. You're waiting for him to be sad almost. Yeah and let in when they're when they're talking on the phone or like when she calls them they haven't talked in a long time or well. Yeah that in. I think even when they meet in person that first time yeah. Oh at at the service yeah. Yeah yeah yeah. I mean i think not seen i do kinda pick up. That he's definitely bracing himself for it and its friends kind of right there next to him kinda like giving him a pat on the back like it's all right man like a new. You're dealing with a lot here. You're at your brother's funeral. And you've got this other element on top of it and that you're seeing your ex wife with her new husband who's pregnant with the new child and all that kind of stuff but he does manage to kind of just like push that down and hold it in And it's really is a really nice subtle moment where michelle williams turns away from him after they've hugged and she kind of wipes away here and she's she's very out of focus but you can kind of tell her her face is like a little bit crumpled up and like it was it was really hard for her whereas he's it's hard for him to but he's just kind of bare. Knuckling it like he's he's you know he's just holding on keeping it as Wound up inside of himself as he can. He doesn't really crack crack when they when they run into each other with the stroller that scene. I mean he's definitely like it's coming up big time there and again he's just like i have to go. I have to leave. I have to get out of here. You know because he is starting to have those feelings in that it leads to kind of him drinking again and so on. Yeah we're a big michelle williams household Yes kind of feel like she can do no wrong as an actor and you know she someone who's gone through a great tragedy in her own life and that's right. I mean she was a great actor before that. But when you can draw on that well from your real life it's gotta it's gotta help a little bit I remember when i met and interviewed busy phillips at the sketch fast We're all hanging out and stuff. I was just like i was like i gotta ask goes like i love that you guys are like best friends and when you show up holding hands on the red carpet cinecitta just i think wars are households heart and i was like you know she amazing. Of course. she's like she's my best friend for a reason and Yes she's great. I mean there's not a role she's ever played the I haven't absolutely loved. It's so funny to me. Because when you know the time i was growing up my first dos counter with her was dawson's creek exactly. Yeah boy and there was. There was the sort of debate like among you know teenage boys or whatever like who do you like better. Do you like joey or do you. Like katie holmes. What was her yeah. Well katie. holmes was showing. I'm trying to remember michelle williams. Yeah but but i was definitely like michelle williams. Kid is just no. Yeah yeah fine. I've liked her. You're quite a bit in a few movies. Pieces of april is great. Great in the ice storm. Yeah it was awesome but She's she's not as far as caliber careers. Trajectory wise lake is not certainly. Show like yeah. She's michelle williams definitely pick the more interesting projects and yeah and Yeah i definitely like a michelle williams film more of an event to me than a katie. Holmes i'll go hence akc. Tom cruise ruined katie holmes. Yeah there's there's that one started sad. Yeah that was that was the downfall but yeah when he finally starting to say when he finally breaks down after that other bar fight. That was such a catharsis for the viewer. Because you just wanted something other than this stoic emptied dead shell of human to come out and you finally get it and it's weirdly rewarding to see him breaking down finally in. That's when you know when like when he says he can't beat it at man just seared me. Yeah yeah the whole films building that moment. Yeah it's just it's just a few words but it packs so much power you know the way he says it's just it's so honest so real forward. Yeah like that's like the screenwriting I know he's never even like the whole movie. I was waiting for him to even if he can't be there right and he never even says like to. Patrick like can't be here. It's too painful to be reminded just by being here. He lives it. Yeah and just a lawyer says it to him when they're reading the will and he's got that that flashback going on and he's like look we. We all are aware of the huge tragedy. You've you've experienced and we understand and so on but he's really trying to talk him into like look. It's time to like move on and you know stay here and take take this responsibility on. That was josh ray. Yes yeah another tate. Donovan josh hamilton. Really like a lot. It's always wanted turn up. I guess we talk a little bit about the overall usage of flashbacks in this film. Because i think that's very interesting to the way it's done kim. Luay him to follow. Yes yeah deliberately. You've got to be on your game. You gotta be paying attention. Yeah i mean really really rewards paying extra attention because a lot of times. It's just subtle context clues That tell you where you are in the story Usually it's like the presence of his brother you know he's still alive so that's obviously a flashback. Or patrick is the younger version right. Sure those war or you know obviously like the happy scene with michelle williams and the family things like that but then there are also more kind of abstract fragmentary ones. Where like there's one. I think it might be the first one in the whole film where he's driving down the road to go see patrick or maybe driving to go To the hospital de on his brother. But there's a quick cut away of of of casey affleck just like sitting on a boat in a t shirt. It's clearly like summertime and he's just kind of looking out at the water and he looks very like happy and peaceful and then it cuts right back to that shot of him driving the car. And it's the winter and everything all the flashbacks like there's never a transition ever any kind of like dissolve or you know it just happens as if it were the next sequence in the film. It's almost always motivated. It's like the thoughts are kind of triggered there. There were seeing the interior state of like patrick. Mind right and and the way. That's the way that's done is very much influenced by the french filmmaker allen rene Who made this trilogy of films in the fifties and sixties hiroshima. More last year marian. Bad and Murielle where they're all these like fragmented. Flashback succumb in and again they're not explained always kind of them big. Us you're not sure where you are in the chronology. It's very disorienting. But it kind of gets at something very true to the character very true to the way that we experienced life. I think Similar to like the limy as well. Where there's there's not this kind of like hand holding at the viewer. It's the way the person would think about it. So there's never any introduction. There's never any kind of setup It's just the thing isolated by itself and we as the audience have to be paying super close attention. Yeah to to pick up on all those details. Yeah yeah there's not even the the the trope sort of gazing into the distance and right out here comes a memory. everybody exact. It's just yeah getting really really subvert. So many rules of filmmaking And so many tropes while also playing in that same sandbox. Like when you were saying earlier about like the whole structure and blah blah blah blah blah his movies kind of into falling into that three x structure right. it just feels more organic. It doesn't feel like all right. I'm i met page thirty. Like i need to have that. Plot point wedged in here And with like we've mentioned before his characters very realistically changing by degrees instead of like A huge like one eight hundred this many times. It's not how life works in. You know that's for better for worse. That's how we been conditioned to of like story and to appreciate story. I think people wanna see that big transformation in watching this movie in your internet. You may really want to see. Casey affleck fall in love with patrick's girlfriend's mom or rekindle with michelle williams is just not like them and that rarely happens that way. I mean it's the reason. I think we go to film sometimes is to see something that is maybe more optimistic generalife or more you know. It's it's cathartic it's kind of escapist They're they're definitely people that go to films basically for a window into a world that is like a different than than what we experienced day day and so many people will say like look. I live real life. Twenty four hours a day. Why would i need to go. Sit in a theater and watch this movie and just experienced the same lack of satis satisfaction and catharsis. And just think you are to some but we we also like this like get out there. Yeah for me like I think it's easier for me to accept a film like this. That has that more down to earth. Like yeah people are gonna change five or ten percent. but they're not gonna just completely transform overnight there are there are exceptions. There are films where you know somebody just completely transforms and ninety minutes and you do buy it. And it's your moved to tears by you know This this this transformation that happens and you kind of believe it do but it's so hard to do it so rare that that actually feels satisfying and not like false in some way. Like i imagine. Casey with a lot of hollywood movies the three words you say in your head over and over our oh come on. Yeah well because like it can be in a way like if you're like me that can even be more depressing when you're watching a film in in a way. They never wouldn't like that. You know that yeah. Yeah and it's kind of cruel because you're thinking like this is like an impossible standard to live up to you. Know romantic films are like that a lot of times where things fall into place sunday. Everything works out great. And you know the cliche happily ever after There's no such thing like life continues and more problems arise and like nobody lives happily ever after forever. Some is die. Something's going to happen so for me. Like in in a in a kind of counterintuitive way. I find these films like the lonergan films. More kind of optimistic almost or life-affirming because they address what we all experience day-to-day and they show us that I don't know they. They just give us a frame or a window into that To put some kind of structure around and to understand it in some way And yet and to just understand that the problems in our lives are common and shared by everybody. It's like it's like this unifying thing you know. It's it's like when you read a novel from like the nineteenth century these characters are having these problems in you kind of relate to their problems and you realize wow lake. Two hundred years ago. People were feeling the same thing that i'm feeling now about. Their relationships are about their work. Or whatever it is and there's something very comforting in that that there's this kind of like shared human experience across the ages and to me that's more In a weird way that's more like uplifting than just kind of like this unrealistic manufactured. Happy thing that life can never measure up to. yeah. I agree these movies from him. You know it's hard. It's hard to go from a movie like this garden state Ah that movie gets dunked on a lot. But it's that movie is the embodiment of all that stuff like wish fulfillment right. Yeah and i get it. You're you're you're this kind of quiet reserve guy and you meet the quiet reserved girl and she's into cool music and everything is kind of share the headphones. Yeah exactly exactly. I'm really curious. Where a again goes next of you. Ebony intel on that i sort of lazily looked at imdb to see anything in development and he did not the only the only new thing. Yeah the only the only new thing that i've seen from and it's not like a new thing but during during the pandemic there was like a charity table. Read over zoom that when that was played like a right yeah exactly before. That was all over. Just get but you know during during the initial to of lockdown where it was really like bad and ceo reed. He didn't do it but but Just kind of like a theater company of some actors did a table read of one of his plays. That i know he has said at some point. He wants to maybe adapt into a cool but hasn't done so yet does in that one. Don't i don't really. I only watch the first few minutes of it. Because i don't know if you've watched any of these zoom table read but i find them like unwatchable fast times thing. That was kind of fun. I watched like a few minutes. I watched like a super of just child buffs moments in that. They're not great for sure. Because i mean it's it's the latency between the zoom and just like not being in the same space with each other nations and auditions of the word. Yeah they just fall flat like some people invest in them but a lot of times even when it's like good actors it does feel like they're kind of like let me read it doing doing the lines. Yeah so. It's not a lot into it. So i tried to watch this this table. Read of the line again thing and you know five or ten minutes went by and i just wasn't feeling anything so i tuned it out exactly. I'd love to see him by off a short series. Your show where he could really. I mean ethan. Do it to do like a. You know a six part series or something could be really really interesting to go even deeper without that character in the subtlety in the amount of detail and so on that could be a great fit for him. I think yeah absolutely. So what else you got for me casey. So one one thing that. I noticed that he does in this film as well as margaret. The kind of central tragedy margaret's the bus accident in this film. Obviously the house fire and but the way that he walks through it step by step when he's in the police station every single detail. You can tell he's worked over it Lee has has just gone over this a million times in his mind already when it's like the same day but the progression from we're having this party you know we're drinking or smoking pot. We're doing some coke and then you know Michelle williams comes downstairs around two. Am is like look. My kids are trying to sleep upstairs. You're you're keeping me awake. You're a grown man. What are you doing this up. Go home you know and lease just kind of be an addict. And eventually she does kick everybody out and he's he's even kind of being like a kind of an asshole when they're when they're pulling off and he's telling them to look for like jupiter in the north star and stuff Probably again. He's being allowed like his kids can probably hear him and so on so then you know the next step is okay. He's done the coke so he still kind of like hyped up on that and sleep yet so because he can't sleep he sitting there watching. Tv but then he decides he wants a beer but they drink all the beer so now it's he's got to go to the store so he goes upstairs to check on his kids before he leaves he discovers that it's really really cold upstairs. So that's why he puts another couple log on the fire. He did it out of like being conscious of caring about his kids being a good dad. Yeah so and even though he forgot the screen decided that would probably be okay and that he's too far to go back before. Yeah before he even gets to that point. He doesn't turn on the central heating because that dries out michelle williams sinuses and gives her a headache. So it's like a double consideration out of consideration for his whole family. That's why he puts these two logs on the fire. Then like you said he. He makes the responsible decision. He's not going to drive to the liquor store. He's going to walk there. It's about twenty minutes all the right things while he's on blows beer. Yeah yeah yeah. Exactly he's trying to do everything right while he's in pursuit of doing everything wrong kind of so he like you said he walks there he even has that moment where he's like. Did i put a screen on the phone. Did i not. And he's he's already ten minutes down the past so it's going to be like another ten minutes to get there it's gonna it's gonna throw the whole thing off if he goes back so we just figures like while is probably okay and then he just continues on you know and so like it's like if any of those things have been different if they hadn't done coke then maybe he could have just gone to sleep or those or or beers in the fridge right if there is a couple more beers in the fridge or if you know the party had gone on to like three or four the morning instead or if he hadn't had the party at all or if you know michelle williams didn't have the problem with their sinuses and he could have just turned on the year. Doing is what he did for all those years afterward. This is go over and over and over in their head. and it's the same way margaret. There's like there's like so many things that had to go wrong for that accident to happen and it's less commented on there but we see them if we're observing how the accident rate and it's the kind of thing that could just drive a person insane knowing that this thing that like change her life forever kinda ruined their life like everything had to go wrong if like just one or two things gone differently. It'd be fine like he wouldn't be a memory. His family would still be there like his life would have been completely different. But it's just this like you know unlucky on unlucky thing you know and a whole life can hinge on something like that but at the same time like had he really been doing what he should have been doing which is maybe not you know partying and doing cogan. Stand up till two three in the morning when he already has a family and so on if he had been living his life in a more kind of adult grown way. Then it wouldn't have happened either so it's like while while it is like this. This kind of unlucky thing that happened. It also comes from a deeper place of like he was kind of a you know like an immature guy at that point. Yeah 'cause you can beat yourself up about all the little details. That happened post party but it really comes down to that party. It's the core that. Yeah that's where i was their party to begin with really loved in that scene how honest he was Because that would be the time to make up a lie to try an Because if he did think might get in trouble but the fact that he admitted to the cocaine early on was that was a key moment it was not a little throwaway line very key that says this character is being truthful as he can be about this because i think he wants to stack the deck against himself. Yeah right right. He could leave out the part about the drugs because maybe that opens them up to leg jets or something. Yeah good point. But he's just like look. We had beer weed and coke and you know the the the cop says like oh cocaine But yeah they're not. They're not interested in pursuing that But yeah like like. I said he. He's making. He's painting as like honest. And complete a picture of the whole thing subconsciously or consciously. Because i think he wants to just put it all out there and hope that he's going to get in trouble for it. He wants to be held responsible for this. Yeah man it was it was you. It was good. It was great it was like i said i think third on my list out of these three. It also might have had something to do with win. We watched it sort of right before we watched it monday before election day. Oh so you know just how it may not have been the best mind space for connecting to a character but It was amazing. Man like a love these movies so much I can't believe that i had only seen. You can count on me until we started this series I'm not sure how the sky me. Well no manchester by the sea. Just avoid because it was a downer. But you know. I had not even heard margaret so I really really get why you love lonergan so much and i'm right there with you. He's one of the gray. And i think very under under song. I mean manchester. Got some oscar consideration but that one. Yeah that wouldn't finally. I think casey affleck won the best actor oscar right. It was nominated for best picture. I don't think it one now He might have had it definitely play night. It was definitely a big part of the whole. You know award season conversation in a way that his other films flew way more under the radar. Absolutely what's next dude I think it's i think it's definitely time to switch it up. Maybe something darker. there's a. There's a french filmmaker cleared need. Have you heard of her. Yes how do i know her. I'm not sure well. She had a film out a couple years ago. That was her first english. English language film called highlife that you might have heard about. At the time i bite that by the way longer getting won. Best screenplay actually. Oh that's great certainly deserved but dome of the film i i. I'm interested in doing. The show is called votre vie which means good work in in french. Okay and i wanted to do this for as long as we've been been doing these conversations and the reason i haven't is that up until very very recently it was. It was basically unavailable to stream or unavailable even to rent on dvd or whatever because the dvd was long out of print. And and now. Finally it's had this like nice restoration. There's a blu ray out from criterion. In i think you can maybe streaming on criterion list. Boats revived provide from ninety nine. Shook a different shows. Okay not not not miramax one other. She has worked with juliette binoche in a couple of films now well of course if she's a french filmmaker yeah but Yeah i don't want to see too much about other than it's very very different from the real tradition that we have been in for the last three films. It's far more. I would say. Steady sized heightened It is a loose adaptation of herman melville But it but it is very much. Its own thing. it's kind of contemporary world. Let's do it. Yeah it's one of the most beautifully filmed. She just has his character as a filmmaker. She's incredibly intuitive She does so much without dialogue. Just with the movement of the camera the usage of The kind of unspoken tensions in a scene like she's just dialed into Something that is like one hundred percent cinematic like none of this. None of these would work as theater or as novels or anything. They're they're purely these kind of cinematic Since based kind of experiences and they're really fantastic so sweet will sign me up buddy. I gotta jump. Because i'm going to go guest on judge. John hodgman shortly. Oh that's awesome to help promote our book or stuff you should know book yes and This is great though man appreciate you. Walk me down. The laundry path absolutely. I'm really really glad we could do this. Really glad you could see these other two films of his and Hopefully we get to do follow up. At some point. He makes the fourth feature. Oh absolutely he's he does. It will go see it in. The theater rushed to trust god. Let's hope all right. Thanks but it's always thank you. This is wonderful as usual. Thanks everybody for listening. And we'll see you next week. Crash is produced and written by charles. Bryant enroll brown edited and engineered by seth nicholas johnson and scored vinyl brown here and our whom studio at punk st market atlanta georgia for iheartradio for more podcasts. For my heart. Rabia visit the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

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Best Actor Front-Runners for 2018 Oscar Race - For Your Consideration

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Best Actor Front-Runners for 2018 Oscar Race - For Your Consideration

"The following program is brought to you by your friends at podcast. One. Don't forget to download our new podcast. One out. Sally beauties new all in one hair-color kits, make it easy to color your hair at home, get everything you need to her putatively radiant results loved by professionals, open to everyone. Sally beauty. Hey, clutter fans, John Rocca here. If you like my show you are going to love rob has a podcast on podcast. One, rob sister Nino is kicking off the new season of survivor. Check out the biggest driver podcast on the web with the king of reality TV checkout rob has a podcast every week on podcast one or wherever you get your favorite podcasts. Hey, there who the fans or should I say, hey, there awards season fans, welcome to collider videos for your consideration. Our weekly show where we cover the ups and downs of all the movies in and out of a word season every week from now until the Academy Awards on February twenty. Fourth, two thousand nineteen. We are going to be covering award season looking at all the major categories multiple times to see who's still on who's off a new addition. We're going to have interviews with fellow award season experts, and we're going to have interviews with acting and film Mickey talent, true contenders our our beloved co host Perry numberof is on assignment. Okay. Full disclosure. She is in New York at New York, comic con. So she is right where she wants to be. So joining me this week is my trusty sidekick, the master of disaster, the smartest. Guy in the room when it comes to the movies, Jeff Snyder, I'll let that sidekick comment. Where e. No, it's a pleasure to see you Scott. And I can't wait to dive into today's hot topic which is best actor. Get into these predictions because we don't completely align. I don't think I don't think we do, and that's okay because that's worth now. Here's the thing we are going to be covering best actor today, but that doesn't mean we're not gonna come back and cover it again because we will because who knows how things are going to change from now until circle bass. It's a rollercoaster of the season, and that's why that's what makes the so great because somebody that we could have on our list now by totally disappear a month or two months from now. Well, you know what? I think we should just jump right into it. Let's get right. Terry, as I like to say on movie review, talk, who was your first pick that will land on my number one leg slammed down. I don't think there's going to be any way that the academy could ignore Bradley Cooper's performance in the star is born. Okay. I think he is tremendous like he could get a director nomination. It's his first time at bat. Maybe they don't wanna go that far. But an actor nomination seems all but guaranteed. He has fantastic chemistry with lady Gaga. I think this is one of Bradley's best performances period. Yeah, I, I loved it. Is he your number one or was he a little bit further down the way? He's on my list. Got my number one. Now, number one on my list is performance date that we've always seen the trailer for where you have. We won't see the move. Right, but hang on, but to talk about Bradley Cooper because he is on my list. I do agree with you. I think that an acting nomination is a lock. Here's the interesting thing about a star is born is that I think this might even be a case, not the worst problem in the world to have where his his abilities and his his qualifications as a best director might overshadow his actual performance also overshadowing his performance here might be all the attention that lady Gaga is getting for her performance, which will lay in her a best actress nomination by by the hang on. But I still think that Bradley Cooper gives a great performance. He deserves to get nominated. He's on my list second. Okay. Okay. Before you before you say who you're going to say, let's let's just get into bail. I mean, I gave it away. They gave it away Christian bale. Now neither of us have seen vice which is written directed by Adam McKay who did who directed Christian bale in the big show for which by the way, Christabel got nominated for his performance. In the big short, he was also nominated for his performance in American hustle, and he won the Canterbury award for his performance in the fighter, David, a Russell only supporting their how many, how many actors have done that? I where they win supporting first and then lead Robert deniro. That's right. Robert dean or did that he was supporting for godfather part two, four, and he got the for a raging bull in nine hundred or nine hundred eighty. So for Christian bale mean he is a. Domino actor. But the other thing about Christian bale is the kademi really warms up to actress who drastically dramatically changed their appearances. Look at Gary Oldman last year Churchill. It wants to Churchill, but that was a lot of prosthetics though. That was a lot of percents, but so many. And so the waking, the waking like that, obviously, deniro for rainbow. He's like the gold standard for weight gain or weight loss by Christian bale did lose a lot of weight for both the fighter and especially for the machinists, like dropped sixty pounds for that two thousand four. But the, you know, the kademi does. I mean look at Matthew mcconaughey for Dallas buyers club. Sure, sure knows the economy certainly loves weight loss, weight, gain, physical transformation, but now that we've seen an actual trailer this week four vice, what did you think of that trail was a great trailer. I mean, bail has been at the top of my list really all season. You know, there's this question will the academy voters embrace a Dick Cheney you know, like there's this fear that the trailer of the movie is gonna make Dick Cheney likeable or make us route for Dick Cheney who is like this kind of kind of evil guy. Yeah, he cut it right. So so people are kind of wary of that the politics of the character could hurt bails awards, chances like the performance on the just looking at the trailer. Again, you know, all bets could be awful. May see the movie. We could really just sort of like lock him in because I certainly on I list at number one sight, unseen for the rest of the movie. When you look at his weight gain for the film, when you look at the various different looks that you see in this two and a half minute trailer because it's, you know, it's done over the years bail like Gary Oldman in darkest hour is unrecognized, it's it's wild. And you know, even though he did win supporting actor for the fighter, he's such an absolute talent phenomenon. You'll never really gotten his do. New despite that one, Oscar win, like he could have a couple for his leading performances. What I was most impressed by and I saw this echoed on the internet with just the way that he captured Cheney speech pattern and the slow speech and the breathing, that kind of thing. Well, is he on your list? He's my number two. Okay. So our number one, we just had one or two swat. They're just adverse so, but I wanted to back it up with Cooper, you know, I said, I said, and then we got started on that. But with Cooper, do you think the answer these, like yes or no? Okay. Let's hear. Is Bradley Cooper more likely to be to be nominated for best director than best actor? I think he is. Yes. I think he'll get. I think he's going to get his. The odds are more favor of him getting best director than best actor. But like I said, he's while my list for best actor. He's gonna be. All my list for direct. I think he's basically a locked for both get I. I would say he actually has better chances at best actor instead of best writer. Okay. Just for nominee in terms of nomination. Okay. In terms of your number. I had another question is, who is more likely to be nominated lady Gaga or Bradley Cooper, I'll in the active -tracting. I think all the, I think just because I, I mean, look, lady Gaga it's a movie. It's a role that she's great in, but it's also roll the place to restraints. Right? Exactly. You should just sort of playing herself like, right. I mean, that's that's what I don't think so. I think she's mazing right, but that is the criticism. Well, well, I do think you see, that is a great question because I do think that that lady Gaga is more of a lock than Cooper, but I do think that Cooper's chances of getting nominee for act are very, very, very strong. Have them number two. So we have the same top to number three. I think we have the same number three two. Okay. Who's your number three? Rami Mousavi mail man. Oh, okay. Now again, slight unseen. Yup. But they'll with all the talk about about stars bore. You know, I've been cited saying how stars born. You know, it's going to get a ton of Oscar nominations, but I feel like it is going to run away with tons of Golden Globe wins because Golden Globes, separate drama for musical or category and Warner Brothers is going to put this in that category. It'd probably it'll be in music because it's a musical, but it's also just like such drama, like if they really, I think if Warner Brothers really wants to be taken seriously for this movie and best picture, it has to go drama at the Golden Globe. It's not. It's not you're right or guests like LA La Land went musical or comedy. I mean, I mean, yeah, there was some humorous moments in that movie by, right? I mean that was abusive. Drum and that won all seven gold. The goal of setup was nominated for which is the most. And I think that that LA La Land, I'm sorry that stars born has a very good chance of matching that records. But there's rhapsody if FOX puts that in the musical or comedy category, which because it's also a drama, but it is also has music in it where they're performing, they're going to have, they're probably going to go for comedy. And then if the movie is good, I mean nobody's seen it up seeing it the Saturday, and I can't wait a could pose a threat to a star is born. Gotcha. Well, I like what defines a musical to the Golden Globes. That's what's interesting to me because I don't think a star is born or Baheen wraps. You really qualify as musicals they are dramas about music, right? Raya musical. Well, you know, I walked by. That's that's a very good point. But I think that that there. The studios tend to to jockey for positions where has a better chance of it's a little bit of a shady, move shady. This movie is good enough to win the drama award foot stars bore, yes. Okay. Well, I mean, see, I, I don't know about that. I mean, you know there at the Golden Globes movies that I think in terms of dramas that are more daring, more bold, more ambitious bohemian rhapsody could be one vice could be another Mary. Queen of Scots could be one, but based on movies I've seen Roma is a more daring and Embiid risk taking more likely to go for Roma because it's international journalists and absolutely. Yes. Remember babble. Okay. Sure. Alejandra, Theresa's movie Daba won the gold abo- for best picture drama. Interesting. Two thousand. All right, so so yes, I do think that goes, we'll favor of rolm it because of the Farnell backing it up to two best actor because we digress. I have not seen the movie out. You know, I've seen as a trailer. I was not invited to this special Saturday nights. Plus you can. I'm going to biggest with Rami mouth. Okay. So I've, I've spoken to people who have seen the film and I've heard it's it's terrific. I've heard that he in particular is exceptional. And that really that the end of this movie, the Live Aid concert completely delivers a home run and that no matter how you feel about the rest of the film, you're going to leave the theater on a buzzing on a high note because of this ending that that's that is very, very excited, which some might say about a star is born to okay, actually a so. So let's say, what are you talking about golden gloves with the Oscars. I know we're spending more time on the Oscars on this show to have two movies, one based on a true story. One that's not, but both about musicians that they are going to compete against splits vote. It's going to make it a fun season. That's interesting. I didn't cover Alcee on for your consideration. We have to see if bohemian ramp city actually ends up being a best picture. Best director contender. Bryan singer stuff will. Actually hurt its chances. I don't know. I think what's people see the movie people are not going to talk about right. Yeah. Exactly. And the I know that when you were at a cinema come back in and at the FOX presentation, they saved bohemian rhapsody for last and the presentation they show for Baheen. Rhapsody was so strong that no one was talking about the behind the scenes from, I think he looks great. And again, when you're talking about filmmaking, you know, thousands of people or hundreds or thousands worked on, but he mean rhapsody, it was. He has one guy and so two, let bed cl- cloud the achievement. I hope that this movie is you'll let me know on on Saturday night or you can go after offers. I'm going buddy. You're my pal. I appreciate you go, you have fun. You texting. You let me know how it is. Well, I am pumped. I like I grew up listening to queens. So did I? I mean, it's a Queen and boss. I grew up in the seventies. I was born in sixty eight. So when I was growing up, it was it was Queen. It was Boston. It was, yes, it was Genesis. It was. I have to say, we should all get bio-pics. Paul McCartney and wings. I was a big wingspan before I even knew who the Beatles were. I was a wingspan. All right. Who's your number four year Utah now, I think it's going starting to get into the tough comb for those three. Let's hear it. I think that just based on the strength of the film and these seeming adoration within the academy for this actor Vigo Mortenson gets in for green lurk, rain book. Okay. Now that's one I haven't gotten for captain. Fantastic, right, right. And that was that was a small indie movie that. And I think green book is actually going to play pretty well commercially also nominee for eastern promises. I think he was too so so the his peers just really respect him. I think that green book is fantastic. As I've said on the show before. Have you seen it yet? I've seen it next week. Yup. Get in there. So, yeah, I think Vigo it's like the perform. There's nothing revolutionary about the performance is kind of just playing like this like talion like meathead like tough guy who then softens up after after this road trip with the Herschel Ali. But he, he really, he brings a lot of heart to it. Okay. So so you'll burn your is your number four? Yes. He's, he's in my honorable mention by the fact that he's up on your and again, we'll see. We'll talk again after you've seen them and that could change the rankings here. But for the purpose of this this show, he's in, you're willing to put him on the list after we finish this conversation based on the other people we have see my number four is Robert Redford. Okay. Robert Redford we both agree that the old man the gun was a better film than it really looked and it was more profound. It was poignant. It was an existential quality to it and it was a, it turned out, especially towards the end of the film. It was a really nice sort of like. Sendoff for him. It sort of felt like a real at the end of that movie, you know, without saying why? And he's only been nominated once before as an actor for the sting. So that was nineteen seventy three movie. I was talking about the other night with my girlfriend. She's never seen. I gotta show where the sting. Okay, style come on. This thing is great, but it is. It is a an amazing phenomenal career. Now he he did win an Academy Award before, but that was for nine hundred eighty s ordinary people for best directors also won best picture, but he's never won an Oscar and he was grossly, massively shamelessly overlooked for what was one of his very best performance disagree with you here all is law. I disagree. Oh, I thought that was phenomenal. Yeah, there was hardly any tile lock in that movie and it was a very physical role and emotional to and he wasn't even nominated that was crying chain. So I feel like the kademi has a good chance of not only nominating him, but. Maybe even rewarding him if this is truly his last role. I mean he doesn't have an acting Oscar. This could be a career Oscar, not unlike the one that Paul Newman one four for nine hundred eighty sixes to color money. I I have Redford in my like six loud. He's like at the top of my honorable mention. I thought the movie looks special and it was special either completely delivered. I loved the movie in Toronto. So I think he's fantastic. I hope that he gets in and maybe I'll rethink my own number five prediction which we're going to get you, I think, but we have an interview with Valerie and Casey Affleck from the old man and the gun now now Davis Lavery who wrote and directed the band and the gun. Casey Affleck stop by the collider studio. So I had a chance to talk with them about how great it was to work with the man himself, Robert Redford, but also about the Oscar race really what his chances are getting nominated, maybe even winning how deserving is he? Let's take a look at that interview right now. Okay. Here we are on collider's for your consideration is sitting here with the writer and director of the old man that gun David Lavery. Thanks so much for being here. Thank you and also here with Casey Affleck Oscar winner for Manchester by the sea coast star in the old man and the gun. By the way I saw at the telluride film festival on the Friday at two thirty at the Werner Herzog theater, and it was just a great way to kick off the festival because the film, it got a lot of attention obviously because of what's proper reference last movie as an actor. But the movie as a whole has so much directly minute because not only are the performances. Great. The screenplay is terrific. It is so deep and profound. And I know this was based on an article that you read, but what was it about about the article that you said? There's a great story to tell here about this career, this charming career Bank robber. Well, you know, the stories too good to be true. It's one of those stories that just has too much for anyone movie. You could make miniseries about this guy and still have more leftover to tell what appealed to me about. It was also felt like just a quintessential Robert Redford character. And indeed it was sent to me with Robert Redford already attached to it. It was a project that he'd been developing the he wanted to make. And so as I was reading and I just think. Of him playing this character. And that's what really excited. You know, Casey, when I look at this film when I've seen it twice now I saw it. I tell you, right then I saw it again in Toronto, and this is a film that that you know Redford is it it's, you know, his last role, but it really felt like a movie that play to a straits. And when you see the film, especially when you see like the last like twenty minutes of the movie, it almost feels like. Like. A real of sorts for him. I mean, like like, what was it about the film about working with the special because you only have a few scenes with them that really made made a feel special to you. Well, the movie would be special to me. I mean, working with David is special to me working on a script. It's this good especial and then working and doing anything with Robert Redford would have been special, but then come, you know, all together, it really was kind of a once in a lifetime opportunity and reproduce is there's nobody else that could have played it. I mean, I think that even even he would say that, I mean, it's there's no one on earth. You can play this kind of this exact kind of character or the way that he has so many times. And that's not to say that that's sort of all he is. He's had this amazing career of being slipping into roles that have been that are very different from one another. He's sort of my favorite kind of movie star, which is which is like he's an actor and he's just happens to be one of the most charismatic cinema people that we have known. You know, when I look at records career, a heat, his ordinary people, one thousand nine hundred. It was. It won the Oscar for best picture and best director best director, four Bradford. But as an actor, he's only been nominated once for the stain and that was nineteen seventy three. And I feel like this role, especially like this is even without fanfare of it being like his last role. I feel like this is absolutely an Oscar worthy performance. I really wanted to give him something that you could sink his teeth into and have fun with. You know, this was the second time we'd work together and when we made Pete's dragging together, I just saw how wonderful it was to see him having fun when we gave him an opportunity to drive a MAC ten truck through all his eyes just lit up and that's in the movie. And I just wanted to make an entire film in which that same sparkle would be there from one scene to the next. But I also wanted to give him a character that he could dig into dramatically. And I think this there is that here it's not all fun and games. There's a lot of that. There's a lot of in which you can coast through on charm, but there's more to it than that, and he really was up for digging in that fashion. You know, it's almost like like the art imitating life and vice versa. Versa with his character facing his mortality and Saint them with Bradford, I saw the Cuban a that he just showed up at the nicotine. Because fighting diverted to machos, and he had to like, make the quick drive up, and he made it like in the nicotine. And he's like for him to say, like, I felt like this was a great way to sort of go out. But also he said, you know, never say never. Yeah, I as a fan, I would love to see him continue, acting and directing and doing all of the many things he does. I mean, he lives a life that is fuller than any of us could ever hope to dream of living. And yet at the same time, if he does decide to go off gently into the night after this one, I understand why. And it's an honor to be head of made a movie that he's happy enough with and he feels like he could hang up his hat. Casey, your character, John respect that's going on between John forest and you know, no spoiler by thought there was a moment in the film where there you see that that respect what's what's dynamic here between these two characters. You know, it's not just a cops and robbers story, not not even close. Yeah. I mean, there's it's well. That scene is kind of behind your head there. I think there's not a. That's the one. It's not difficult to play scene with Robert Redford where you have to sort of be overwhelmed by the things that you know about him, and that was sort of what was happening. And so it was easy to step into that moment. Well, in terms of just like the overall booby the film itself, the old man, the guy I, I just I just again. I went into the movie like new knowing. I was going to like it, and I came out of it real, really loving it. Like the peel of a career Bank robbery just doesn't know when to quit and just how Redford is. So it's so place to a strange like seeing the film for the first time because you know you're making the movie and you don't really have a lot of scenes with Redford. But when you finally got to see the movie yourself, why what was the takeaway for you but really struck you about making the movie? Casey. Will you know what strikes me about making any movie really? Is that. Is that I'm sort of like, I'm still kind of surprised that I get to have these opportunities on low. I love doing it. Love working going to a movie set and go into some new city and working and exploring that city. And while exploring, you're sort of yourself and how you're going to do this role and and doing it together with all these people that are also having a great time. It's like a bunch of professionals at summer camp and it has never quit being that for me. I just. It's just so when I when I show up in there, I would do it with people who I didn't know and they'd never made anything. But when I get to do that with people who I really admire it work, I really admire it is hard to. Not just be smiling inside all the time, but I want to say something about David said about Redford trying to find something he can sink his teeth into and also have fun. It's, you know, so often, this sort of awards and I hate thinking of, I really do. It's it's not a competition. It's the worst way of thinking about it at all, but it also on the other hand, it's really great to like recognize people at the end of the year and recognize the whole community at the end of the year of like, look at all this great stuff we made. It's like a show and tell in fifth grade class or something, but Redford it. But so often the parts that are recognized are bear. These days either really muted and internal or very, very dark, or you're an amputee who struggled with depression, your whole life. And then you come down with horrible disease and you lose your family, and it would be nice to see parts because that aren't like that because they're not any easier necessarily. An and Redford has has made a career of making don't draw a whole ton of attention to themselves because they're like, look, terribly disfigured, and they're going around in a wheelchair and they're also a pilot or something who saved a bunch of people. It's like he doesn't about real people and they are fun to watch, and he finds the depth in those people, but but does it without drawing whole ton of attention to it. And I would love to see him recognized for that while will be all thank you so much being here on your for your consideration for collider and let's here for the old man. Thanks so much. Thank you very much. Yes, that was a good interview, Scott. Casey. Colorful wrist bands to those guys were both crack, taught him for an hour just about again, this is a film that I've really, really loved. I know you did Robert. He's cert, certainly, contender know, let's let's sort of leave him on for now. Kisa who your number five number five. As of right now, subject to change. I thought Hugh Jackman was really good in the front runner. That movie is doesn't seem to have come out of Toronto with the buzz that I thought that it would. I thought that there the Jackman really delivered like in a way that I hadn't necessarily seen from him before, like I wasn't a big fan of Les Miserables. He got for that. Didn't he? Yeah. So I just find that this this is way better, but you're right. I can see how the movie may not be catching on with people in that may hurt. I love Hugh Jackman. I thought he gave much better performances in two films last year that really Logan, which started the urine really in February and then great showman which was a massive crap leaser that defied not very good reviews and became a massive hit around run. He's put together. He really is. He's a triple threat. He can do comedy, you do drama, he can do a musical and and action. So that makes them a quadruple threat. But I did see the movie. I did see front runner. I tell you ride on the same day that I saw old man and a gun, and I man and I thought, well, my guy that was the third movie I thought Davis is the National Front runner and well, two out of three eight bed and I didn't love the film. I thought you Jackson was very good in the movie, but the problem I have with the film and with his performance. Was I, I didn't empathize with him enough shooting politicians, so it's timely. It's not just that he was cheating politician. He didn't take. He didn't seem to take responsibility for what his action was. People who supported him in, especially as family automobile, say too much about the film. But I thought that movie was just okay, I didn't love it. I liked him, but not enough to put him on my list. Who was your number five number five and again, subject to change. But right now, a film that I really was taken with very, very much even though it told story about addiction, but it told it in a different way was beautiful boy, and I feel I, Steve Carell was terrific in this movie. He has really just shown such versatility as an actor going from comedies and doing cheat shows like the office to little miss sunshine and catcher. FOX catcher. He was nominated Rabat was in the big shorts with Christian bale and he's got vice coming out and this back, it's move. He's got a big. Yeah, he's yet, but he is. He is like really embracing the dramatic something by the way, I thought Steve Carell was terrific in a battle of the sexes. Bobby Riggs, Bobby Riggs. That could have been a character that was just like a punchline, but he really humanized. Him beautiful boy is like my second favorite movie of the year. Is that right? Yeah, it knocked me flat. How come it's not on your list because I again, I thought was I thought was better than Hugh Jackman, you know. Okay. But that's not what the the exercise was. It was to predict who I think would be nominated, and I don't know that the sentiment is there for Steve Carell. And or at least that movie like I loved it. But I think a lot of people came out of Toronto with a really mixed reaction to the film while the reason for that is because the movies, it's non linear, it doesn't have like the forward flowing dramatic arc that most movies do jumps back and forth in time, which by the way is exactly what I loved about it because the movie is based on two separate books written by the father, right? Two different perspectives, chef Nick chef in the movie. So that really lends a different sort of story. I like seeing the that kind of addiction tail through the father's is. It was heartbreaking. However, Shah Timothy channel may has emerged from Toronto as the more likely actor for supporting right for supporting, but it seems like so it's just seems like Steve Corrales work, maybe overshadowed by his own coast, why I didn't put him on. I understand. And you know, I feel I, you know, the top three that we talked about, I feel like our locks, whether our rank is. Different. I feel like they're, they're pretty. They're pretty much good, good bets, but I just really warmed up to the film. Yes, absolutely. The Xiaomei but definitely Steve Carell just that he is a phenomenal phenomenal actor who shedding sort of this, what he's better known for, which comedies because he's really doing a lot more dramas. And so so. So with that revelation of Steve Carell thing, I'm shocked shocked that Ryan Gosling is not on your prediction sleaze number six on my list. Okay. So he got the first the top honorable mentioned slot, but but why didn't he crack the field? Okay. I don't think he's gonna get nominee. I could play Cup tomorrow and Ryan Gosling. The thing is I think Ryan Gosling is phenomenal predicting what I think will make the list. Okay. And you think he's gonna be snubbed as much as much as I loved him and I love his performance. In I band, I feel like there's been a little bit of. Sort of resistance to his character being emotionally inaccessible, and that might hurt his chances. The movie itself is done in a spectacular way because it's so visceral. But I feel like the movie itself is is going to get. It's going to get a lot of recognition. I feel like Ryan Gosling, you know, the more I talk about a right now. I feel like he could be the, he really could and should make number five. I really don't know. I hope he does. I hope I'm wrong. I would love to see him land on this list. But I mean, it's, there's, he's on the honorable mention lists. Like who else might be in the conversation this here? Let's talk about that before. We like sort of run it down at the end affect. So there was a trailer this morning for the mule, which which we watch together Clint Eastwood could be a stealth contender. Now he could give Robert Redford a run for his money. He could. He could now a Clint Eastwood also never won an Oscar for acting, but he does have two Oscars for directing for unforgiven for million dollar baby. And the interesting thing about the meal is this the Mulas watercolors and just recently maybe like a week or two ago, one of brothers that they were going to put the mule on it and release it indecember say, last minute, sort of a last minute decision with less Clint liked his fifteen seventeen to para state in February, right? But here's the thing million dollar baby was added to the list in two thousand four. At the very last minute came out to win, came out of nowhere. When's best picture director actress supporting actor from Oregon. Freeman and screenplay for. I think it looks like a real commercial play, but right it could. It could. I mean, I feel like you know, again, we just saw the trailer which the trailer looks pretty awesome. I think so too. Or is it a more mainstream movie hard to say, like Clint Eastwood is eighty eight years old and he's a lead actor claim directed playing aging criminal, like Robert Redford now. Oh, interact. There are parallels there. I see that being a piece and could that ca- throw wretched fight when Eastwood had not said that this would be his last movie Redford right? The different ones picking up on that. Some other others in the mix Willem Defoe who who is a big player last year for the Florida project. He's playing Vincent Van Gogh in eternity is gate. That's that. Seems like the smallest film of all the best actor contenders in the conversation right now and it CBS films will do they have the muscle to sort of get getting nominee in there? Was he on your honorable mention list? My honorable mention lists that buzzes there, though, right? Someone who was Lucas hedges for for erase. I, I keep getting beautiful boy and boy, and I know that's going to happen a lot with a lot of people. They're obviously very different movies, but I feel like you know, whenever someone has a screenplay where they need a troubled teen, they're like, get Eluki's hedges, exactly. But lesson he wants an Oscar nominee. I performance in Manchester by the sea, and I feel like he gives a very deserving performance as it is it on my list for the top five, nobody is on my honorable mention. I saw last week. I said, boy response. We can really liked it. It's really, it's very affecting. He's good, and he has another movie. Ben is back in, which is said to be pretty good opposite. Julia Roberts, that's also very good. I saw, but I do have the Mortenson for green book. Running back for our top five. All right. Okay. So we could definitely agree that we got Christian bale Bradley Cooper, Bobby Malik. Okay. Okay. So four and five or who we have to decide on. All right, I will if you give me Vigo Mortenson for grain book. Okay. I will give you Robert Redford for the old man in the gun deal tally and that can be the fun. That'll be the five. Okay. So our top five, four this show again, who's the number one slot the number one paper with ballast. Number one. They also for the Showtime seat and again, folks, crucial bail Bradley Cooper, Rami Malik. Vigo Mortenson Robert Redford, right? There's our list there. It is right Christian bell. Are there any other any like crazy longshots you could see like Chadwick bozeman for Black Panther John David, Washington for black klansman. John C Reilly has a couple of movies. He's in the sisters, brothers, and the standing Ali, which I thought looked pretty good. That could be a dark horse sisters. Brothers is not really making a lot of knowing, Ethan Hawke for first reform because I've heard him referred to as the actors pick well, Cassagnol mini-me nominal in that movie. And if you go to gold derby, which is where a lot of other Oscar pundits prediction I have. They do have a lot of them have Ethan Hawke on their list for best actor for first reform, but you don't think it's up like a top five or six. Five. I don't know if it's a top five. I do think that that even hawks direction of bleeds was nominated. I missed that by not enough people are talking about it for him to make this director that could change. Okay. I think that's it. We settled on a list. We set all very quickly. I actually thought this is going to be much more contentious with you. I really thought you were going to go for Gosling and we were going to have a knock down, drag out five of Kosslick. I mean, you know if we do this show again tomorrow, I might say, I want to see the movie again too because I remember being tired the night that I saw. I know it's a Damian to seating, go and see that movie. I max well, listen, this was a lot of fun. I thought this is going to be very contentious toward the end there and look as far as buying gasoline goes. I mean, I think he's great if this was my list, one that I was going to nominate, he'd be on it, but I'm just trying to wrap my head around how the rest of the kademi voters which are now what we're here for thousands isn't about us. It is about it is, but it is, but listen baked shat out to our to our beloved Perry number off. I hope we all we all hope you're having a great time in the year Comecon we know you are. We can't wait you to come back to join us for the next episode of for your consideration. What are we going to tackle? What category just have to come back next time and find out until next time f- fly sea later, FBI and cavenaugh. I'm Tim Maguire within AP news minute Senate as a confidential report from the FBI on the latest background check of supreme court. Nominee, Brad Kavanagh, protesters went to the supreme court. And appear Senate office buildings today DeVos their disapproval of cavenaugh. Senate Democrats to now see coming and a sham and a whitewash minority leader. Chuck Schumer fears have been realized that this is not a thorough investigation according to Dr Ford's lawyers and miss Ramirez lawyers. There were many, many witnesses they wished to be interviewed, and they said they were not interviewed Texas Republican Senator. John Cornyn says to him, the Democrats don't want to hear the truth is a search and destroy mission. This is not a search for the truth. We've done everything we can to treat both judge cavenaugh and Dr Ford fairly and treat all allegations made seriously. 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After The Show 640: Light Of My Life Blu-ray Review

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After The Show 640: Light Of My Life Blu-ray Review

"You're listening to the after the show movie podcasts from a DOT COM confined this podcast on the I choose. Music stokes Google. Play Youtube, voice assistance, just say, listen to after the show maybe focused, and you can also find ace corey dot com where we post written reviews without the way area hosts. Hey, scully on sits. In a change of plans said talk. Change of plant going to review what we're GONNA. Do I remember the name of it? It was a movie called guns Akimbo. Did these people know this or does it even matter? He knew that yes. I mentioned it last week. Okay, so a change of plan. We were going to review the Daniel. Radcliffe movie guns Akimbo which we got digital code to review fall. But just before the movie side, our Internet went down digital codes useless when you have incident cracked. A lot of things are useless went. There's no Internet and I'm not a Luddite. By any means. I love my technology, but Holy Shit. That's annoying so in the change of Plan I changed the movie to one that was on a disk I loved always been my thing movies on this. please. Don't please don't do away with movies on disk because. They will because they're expensive. And they cost a lot of money to transport and Blah Blah Blah and so there will come a dime though time, and then the Internet will go off the the end of the world. Nobody will ever watch a movie again. Well keep the players. Keep the disks that you to have, and then you'll have and lists supply of. Entertainment that was the before they after the show before the movie before the after the show segment. Yes, you're kind of freaking out like Oh. Then we waited to the last minute, and then what happened. We're ten minutes into the movie theater. Night came back on, but we stuck with this one. You know why and I'm GonNa Spoiler is really good, yeah. So. The is today twenty seven of June. It is the Saturday, without the Internet for a while for a little while Oh. My God the tragedy of at all. This is after the show number, six, hundred and faulty. On the movie we're looking at this week. Is Light of my life is a twenty nine teen movie. It. Out on BLU ray now it's rated office some violence. I'm paramount. Our friends over that sent a copy for review said talk gives us the synopsis of lights of my life This is a tough one because you knew nothing at all, and that made it so much better, that's just the truth. We both I mean I think you less than me, but I love sitting down to a movie that I don't even know what it ain't even know what it is of no clue. Don't know the name of it. It starts playing and then I'm just a man, right? So by telling people about I. Guess if you don't WanNa know about it, go watch it. I've already told you I liked it. which is very valuable information of course. And then come back and listen but. The story is essentially I mean there's a layer of social commentary that's you know eighty percent of the movie, but at the very surface father defending his child in a world. We're GONNA. Say Post Apocalyptic, but it's. Post, PUNK DEMOCRAT DEMOC but not like coronavirus pandemic, which is bad, but this is like the Kinda pandemic that killed half the world's population. Right. I'll read you the back. This is my synopsis wasn't quite targets. While this this one. This one will also be spoiler ridden so academy we go also in Casey. Affleck delivers a super performance. A decade after a plague has wiped out plagued, says a decade after a plague. Tout. Nearly all of the world's female population, a father and daughter live on the outskirts of what's left civilization. This guy's ing dotted as a boy. Father Struggles to protect her from threats as they host from their home into dangerous territory. Propensity defend fend his daughter. All costs that bond and the character of humanity is tested lights of my life is an edge of your seat suspense thriller, which critics were hailing as truly breath take. Now because you also read about other people's opinions as we know. It's GonNa. Be a niece group who love it, I love it. All right so whites of my life is you know it's not? Actually the comment on the box on the picture of the boxes. Her world is a deadly place that is sort of an edited version of A. One of the phrases that women's groups, or whatever used that you know it is dangerous in this world to be a woman. Then that is the big social commentary that's layered in there, but it's not. Like you, you might have to dig to find it. You, you might just be like Oh. This guy defendant is kid. That's cool. But actually it's a little bit deeper than that. So it some it's Kinda. It's even paramount. Major Release Lifetime movie. It's more of like an Indian movie teller line. LIONSGATE WOULD POW in fact I was like this isn't a lionsgate movie. I look twice at the box. So. If you like the smaller more dramatic. It's more about the acting in the drama than they special. There is no special effects in this movie, right? This probably Steph. We don't know maybe some drawn. Something Yeah. I don't know I. Mean it's not. It's not a movie full of as in. It's not a movie at first because it didn't know anything about it. And the way is set up. I kept thinking. Something was gonNA come shambling detail actually in the very beginning. Yeah, I was like. Oh this is walking dead kind of thing, right? Then I was like Oh. Is it and my mind? I was like I. Don't know anything about this. I didn't even read that from cover so I was like. Okay so nothing's come tumbling out. The Bush's this actually justice survival story. That just does it make you like it more in the process, or do you feel discombobulated while you're watching it? Not Having been told ahead of time I. Kinda liked not knowing what was. 'cause I didn't I was like okay, so maybe the bad. There's going to be something bad because it generally isn't. So, maybe the body's just people. When you first meet them, there is camping. Yeah, you think they're just camping. Yeah, you actually don't even think about it then. She asked that one question and you're like what. What? Crap what's happening and then unfold slowly, and you don't even know about the. The women die in until she looks at a newspaper. Headline well now before that because you see all the flashbacks in the news story on TV with the while. We know that part, but it unfolds kinda slowly like the. War is really the situation in how hot goal it's GONNA be. Like you know, and then they go into like town town's kind of operating in a way and. You know it's not like the world's completely abundant. The puck of people and. But it's very dangerous because of the people right. Like. We just because of bad people so I can imagine that. When you go to read your one-star reviews, you're gonNA find this man hater. man-hating movie! You know what I mean. Because it's about the threat. That young female would have in a world where there have been no women for ten years will essentially there's very. Few of them that we are told different points in the movie. You know oh well. We keep all the women in a bunker well this. Go off in a bunker. Basically, the girl herself has never seen the woman correct woman all child. She seen a notion malays she saw some boys in a barn that that was so how different is and I like the I like some of the ideas in the movie. I like the. They found this house and looking through it, and she found close she naturally put on goes clothes and went to a novelty naturally I think that Vernon. Liska. Dig Your person her personality is. She is drawn to. Not Everybody would be no, but she is. She's never been given the chance to be a goal could she has to pretend to be a boiler? So. Our of personality shows through the. She doesn't want to present by the time it's just. The thing about is this a man hitting movie is that? Why is there such a threat because men in this as portrayed the few bad men? there. What are the? Kidnapping or gathering up whatever females they can find, and for what purpose it's not. It's not for like you know to have a have a nice treat him. Nice in, you know. I mean that's not good. It doesn't sound we don't we see nothing? We see no treatment of any women whatsoever at all. Just a hints of what's really going on, and there are good people left. There are good people left. It's just the overriding threat of her being male. Is like. All that matters to him and you get that vibe through the entire movie like I was hopeless from the beginning I hopeless yet, iphone hopeless I was assuming any second now something is GonNa is GonNa come out with a Bush all. I didn't think that I met. People are. It's hopeless that people would ever. Be Good. Yeah now whenever you boom overall, I mean big picture when via bump into people in this movie you. As a human personally. I was wary of everybody. Absolutely just because the situation and I'm like showy. These people can't be good because I've seen this type of thing. Go down before. But then sometimes in this movie the Rassam could people yup, that's I said there are good evil, but seems very few, and far between yeah, bombing, genuinely like good people who think your about person I Casey Affleck True, so it's. Is then. There's also the quote unquote. Good person also has an agenda because he's bringing the God thing into it. Like if you surrender yourself to this idea that I'm giving you because you're in my house. Then, you'll be fine, so that's another forced pushing against this guy. You know it's like. Everything's pushing against him, but Israeli interested script slash story because. You Know Casey, Affleck. Really is just on his own kind of journey doesn't really respond to anything. He's not like Gullible, idiot or You know. Oh God seems like he's not a good idea. Yeah like you know we, the character himself is very. FOCUSED ON PROTECTING Frayed I mean that's the bottom line, isn't it? Yeah I'm like I. Say this movie. Is You know it's? It's mostly a drop this law of dialogue and it's very. Interesting. And I like the carrots a development between him and his. Humor because I laughed a lot yet is and then I felt like I shouldn't be laughing. It's not true like kit. Kit Father Relationships. Winning gives other speech about the birds and the bees basic. Basically read a book to how to how to be a parent. And he almost regurgitating the book like stray like. Okay! You explain it. No I'm saying I didn't pick up that he got out of a book at all I. Read it in the book like just the scene before it. They went to a library. He picks up a book set out to parents Nejd. Amend. The next scene is giving the speech. Right I didn't put together that he copied it out of the book I think he just. He just ingested while the Book Satin. He came out in his own words, but it was very. It wasn't like when a mother would deliver it. It was very textbook. It was like like he was read them. Engine repair manual. I disagree completely, but then she was like it wasn't quite that dry. Well, you know what I'm saying I. Never Night was manly, not female I'm that's the idea of the thing because. One thing that he is missing. Is A female perspective. You know he had a wife before this. Who would have been the mother of this child? And then the child would have had both sides of story to. Draw. now this child has to pretend to be a by on his only guaranteed by outright so ECON. He can't really deal with the girls. Side of it can like. He doesn't understand it. I'm not sure about that. I don't think that at all I think he's just. He's gotten away to different movies. Well. No I mean, he's got no other input, not just no female input. He's got nothing. There's no world left. There's no more anything he can't call his parents and college friend Guess right so I. Don't think it's about him. Being terrified about telling her about being a female I think he just has nothing. That's what I mean. He doesn't have any. It's DIS-. It's not connected to her. Being a girl names in the US is what he read from the Book Right? He's a grown man though he understands things and he lived a life before this all happened I just looked is about thirty two stuns things, but he doesn't understand how to convey them to a young person. He's also has to be very careful because she is extremely smart and she's going to ask every single question. possibly. Ask and he just. You know he wants to be prepared for every answer or not have any questions of the end of the speech I said to you. He said it in that way. Thoroughly, so there was no question. Yeah, hopefully covid, every single thing that because he did. Apart from like I mean not really well, I mean this the sexual side, a kind of glossed over you just in the light together in a special way. So there was not she could come back with the walls, the special way right correct. Is a lot conversations like that which turn out to be phony as well. I mean it starts with him telling her a story and Yeah Stars really good. The stories really is quite long like he's a loved it. I was like oh I don't want this story to be over the thing you know people in the. Shitty reviews of this movie. Satelite handle the pace of it. What's happening to humanity you might is movie will take fifteen minutes with two cars is just telling the story. And if you can't handle. Them. Maybe the movie view, but it's not an action movie. Even though In the last fifty minutes is law that action here? And you know what the Action was some of the best fighting I've ever seen the movie. It was intense. It I said to it one of the things it felt like it wasn't. It felt like they. Fight each other. Fight each other in this enclosed space, and then we'll go with what comes. Let's not forget. Ethnic is the. Director and the writer and he starring in it, so whatever he would have said to that guy. When they got started. Because neither of them seem to be holding back at all. It's pretty intense. Yeah, in the you know the pot. where he fell out of the loft whole incident. Yeah, like I love it. I mean just look intense when you watch something like I know Jason Bonn is a good example. They really good fighting, but you can tell it's is a choreography. It's like they've designed it like you know. Coming goes through the wall, and then if I a bit more, but it feels kinda real. This just feels like there's a fight an amongst point in a camera trying his best to keep it on in Raleigh. Blonde had part of one fight. That seem pretty Karnal. Yeah. But this one was kind of cardinals at their word primal, one of those connell primal the same thing. So yeah, this does have some action and it is, but it's not that kind of movie. The front cover might make you believe it some kind of venture. GonNa Survival Survival. There's some blood on the snow that just noticed. that. That, might you think is a horror film maybe? You know defined horror yet, but it is more of A. SMART OF A. Survival story, but it's not. Focused on action or anything like that is more feels like an independent of move. He could also say it feels also like. Without it being this, so this isn't a. But I got the origin story of Like A. person. United, Superhero, but the origin story of this young. Girl now and her coming of age through this particular experience, whole life obviously, but this one moment. where she realizes Holy Shit. You know I can't have my dad protecting me my whole life in these fuckers. Their draft for you. I'm going to be more prepared. True because she ends up being kind of like. Barely able to take care of them in the end, but I think felt like that was sort of like dumb. Oh Crap! This is me growing up kind of feeling Just take on some things of our own. because. At the very end the She does I'm saying. She learns something itself. It's just about dad taking care of her forever, but that she's figuring out. What am I? Like your It's complex that's for sure I like it. I like the script afford. It was really really in stuff between them. You can always tell when Casey Affleck. Is like being very fatherly note. A very stern yet like I I know how dangerous places you have to. Do one essay and he always like when the arrive a new place. He always arranges on escape route. Make sure she knows exactly. What if it all goes down you? Get out here. GO DOWN! That runs to the tree lighting. Is No. Never leaves anything to chance, but actually. Just, turned up a new like hey could come in and get well and I was like. Oh! And then the focus just come in. Here's the thing. Don't go to a house. Noel she even told him impose pandemic. No, she wanted to stay in the house. No, he told him he said it's not. You don't WanNa. Be in house, because everybody else wants to be in house, or they know to come there to look for people to look for whatever, and it's terrifying I was I. don't get scared at horror movies which I love. My horror movies Massamba movies, but nothing like makes me feel. Inside. Like? that. I don't know what it is a little, not a terror like and then thinking about that situation. Yes, it's fiction, but in recent months in the world in the behavior of different people, the reactions of governments in people, and all all of us it so plausible. And you can roll your eyes and go. Oh, my God, of course, it's not plausible that this would happen. Well I disagree with you I think it's totally plausible that all of society could fall apart on anything in say, Oh women are gone except for view girls. I mean think about that in link about you know our current pandemic. That's happening. It is making a lot of people sick. And people are dying from it. It's not a death sentence, and it doesn't seem to be only affecting one single group of people, but imagine if it was only men dying and they all died from it. that. Was it you soon as you got it? That was it you and it only meant. What's the prognosis for? Humanity would be difficult because women even above acting like Heathens. You know what I mean like. I think it would get very ugly. And that's what terrified me and then this feeling of hopelessness said. One of our peaks. As. He doesn't have a lot of options, right? You could kill the daughter so that she never has to suffer Yup, right? You could just be the one who decides this I'm not going to let my daughter grow up in this world. I can't like I. can't because I always be here to protect her so? You know I'm. GonNa Underlie Z. that option some good option I'm saying. That's one or kill yourself because you fuck, I can't take it I. Don't have to worry about this anymore I'll just leave her on her own, also bad option or does live in utter terror. Every second of every day. Because, not only because you want to protect this person, but you're protecting her. From people that. The way it's presented. CanNot be reasoned with and this father has a very different attitude seems throughout the movie. Did you notice? He's nonviolent yet like guns? He doesn't want to show her. Even when they procure the van, he descended the guy. Look just taken the van and you're not gonNA fight me and that's just the way it is like. It just is in the guys like what he's like seriously. I'm just GonNa take it, and and he's real like apologetic about it, so you get this feeling like he doesn't want to unleash something Guo even when she asked him a question the beginning. What's the difference between this and this? And he gives an example of well, if you. And then he goes. I don't know why I give that because violent right. so slide he he's prepared. He knows if you unleash it. And that's what we see is your. He's GonNa. Fight you until one of US dead. So that was interesting I'll I mean really really was so? The death would imagine ten years of frustration and anger, and the thing is if you could just sit down with these people like. Why does it have to be this way? Why can't we just say? Females. are going. We're going to put together a system where they're just. They're fine. They're safe. They get to live their lives. We make set of a situation in the future where they get to choose if they would like to. Be there become pregnant and essentially become baby making machines another. It sounds terrible and I'm saying if you're an adult woman in that world and you know there's some organized system of you deciding well. I realize there's only. Twenty thousand women on the whole planet I will be a person who will have loved children I know that sounds crazy, but we're talking about science fiction here or it could be the woman who's like. I just want to run a place like an organization or a big house where women can come and be safe without guns without all the stuff and we can just have a new society where. It's just unbalanced like this and we go from there, but instead we're in a society where it's displaying dangerous like there's no other option it seems, and that's been on his mind like the whole time. It sounds like he's the guy who would want to reason with everybody. And the failing of that in every encounter that you come up against, it would just be like you would have no hope. So I felt like that was reflected in his. Trying not to be violent. Just run away from the situation and then when the shit hit the fan. It was it was time for all of his frustration to come out. Did you know she was go right about yeah I was. Like, she's done like a by. I actually didn't think about being a girl or boy until still that first conversation, right? Yet talked about. The very first conversation after the story. Oh after the story. Yeah, well, join the story, did you? I was I didn't talk about. Think about I was like. Oh, I mean i. just think I was like. This guy came with his daughter I. Think about it like a superficially movie when I was thinking. While people better not figure out she's ago and I was like. Now but she really looks like a go light when you look at a fight, but she kept head down and stuff. Put on the stupid cap that she didn't like to wear, and she tried to walk like her dad and stuff, so she didn't quite up. Until the moment like I said when she it all dawns on her up until that moment I don't feel like she. He had kind of sheltered her in away. From the real sharp truth, and in that last bit, it was like she horizon opened. What a life! What a story! So talking of the CASTA ANA pronounce. Pronounce Ski Plays, Rag she's the logo and rag is short for raggedy. Ann. Anyone who wants to claim that it's a sexist term that talents described in the movie correct. She was very good. Very Easy. Insanely good, yeah, under the only been in a couple of things, one horror movie, but I'm an athletic I. Mean He's good. He's he's challenging. He can be Really feel like. This is about Casey Being Casey but for the character I've totally bought it just like you know Manchester by the sea. I totally buy that character a similar kind of current though. are kind of Broody Kinda. Kinda internally, angry candidate chirp keeps it in and tries not to. You know tries to look good on the outside. I think that's his thing. Maybe that's what he is Tim. Did. Write it and directed and performed it. He loud, and he was excellent I'm fine of Casey Affleck I've really liked this dopey does And in this. I, think he. Will you know when you write undirected and? You've kinda tailored around yourself anyway. Probably right feels like it. It just felt right Elizabeth. Moss plays mum. If you, blink you'll miss. It's not like the invisible none that we see the wait on God. Of So. Chosen great is right. There is okay, but what I'm saying this she's she's briefly in here. I mean let me remind items because she's not her, you know. All the women, almost all the women have died, so you get a couple of scenes with her, maybe two or three. Not many but I like. And and there's something about when she shows Bounds, Oh, let's muscles in alike, but then you don't get a ton with a day. You don't get any. Grandiose acting pots well maybe. When she's saying about like what you should do when I'm not here, it's pretty sad. And then finally thome, bowers Tom. They made these guys in. There's a bunch of other individuals. Do there have names as on the talked about gas? He's the one that you'll. You'll know Tombo. On He. I don't know you don't know about anybody in this movie like are they good but I don't i. don't know I don't even want to go in that with them. That's the thing about life these days. Though in real life, you never know. What's behind someone's like? Little facade. You know what I mean like. There's so many hot topics and so polarizing that. Even on a smaller scale, not even like this where your daughter's life could be in jeopardy, right? That's a whole. That's like a horrible extreme right, but even now you could be in a group of people and say. Somebody might say these. Protesters are a bunch of criminals, right? That's a comment someone to make and you might. I would say well. Actually. The protesters are not the criminals. Right is like the criminals of the criminals, and the people protesting are protesting, and yes, some other crisscross, some full of Shit than the actual protesting is not a criminal act, and instantly that person could turn on. You and I mean in an extreme. You are rejected. You are one of. Of them. You are Blah Blah Blah I mean it's so cutting this little little ideas that divide us, you know. Yeah, that's kind by God where he didn't know if you could just be starting to talk to somebody who seems like a decent human being, and before you know it, they wanNA kidnapped your daughter and put her in a woman president. I. Mean You know you have such as the guy in when they go to get? The Guy Looks you know you look emulate. Okay all right, and then he says ou the people in this world are. Described it so beautifully that the guy said things that he thinks he's trying to put you down or put someone else down, but he wants to also pretend to be nice and he wants you to think he's being nice, but also know that he's insulting you. It's so complicated, but it was right on the money to cover the light racism. Cova things with his daughter the. She hasn't really count yet. She wouldn't have no idea about any of this. She's only been surviving concerts. Yeah. so extras on this BLU ray their zero extras on this blue, not even one tiny little thing accents, even a trailer. Sign. You just get into movie so I am DB reviews explain. You find reviews that are one-star and read them because if they don't like the movie, we like to make fun of them for being like really outrageous and if they do like the movie. or we agree with them for not liking the movie then we're like yeah, that makes sense. So these are the people opposite to us because we really lightness these are the ones. The really don't like us. So Mr Ti four, six full, says great movie if you want to die of boredom. This five minute intro story should have ended there. And like I said. This movie is with Lee Pointless. What a waste to to I was nothing happens. You could possibly designed to make this. Do not waste your time. There's no waste of time. Yes This guy says boring slow with non existent action. The action in this movie takes place in the last ten minutes and even then. The go spoilers. The girl saves the day. She's definitely smarter than a Idiot Dad. Okay so you watched it and then you took the time of your life. To Be snarky about it. This movie is one hour and fifty minutes of people talking in a tent. ooh Did. You have it on slow motion. They weren't intended for the. Guy Says. What a waste of my life and he spells waste W. A. S. T.. He says a read the other reviews. I can't say it any better. then. Don't write anything. This could have been great, but instead they all had no survival training Jesus. Where would you? Okay. If something really happened in the world, right this second, you and I have not had survival training. We would be like we know what we know. And then we're going to have to wing it from there right i. only know what I know from movies and I only know what I know. Yeah for movies, some documentary stuff some gardening. In the just sort of common sense. If you drive your car eight mile an hour, you go to the future. L., was it eighty eight. Yes, okay I. What else do. VELOCIRAPTOR. Stay Still K- these are goods arrivals get. That's what I'm saying. These people weren't expecting for a pandemic to kill half the world. This man was not expecting that he would if he was. Survival drained then we would have to have lines in the movie and some throwback flashback to him, owning a survival store or him being in the army or something that explained why this guy knows everything about survival, but he doesn't. He's just winging it and so I I was told I actually really appreciated that. Also I know this. If there's a hall of Zombies, you just ride a really loud motorcycle around in a circle. And, everything will be go and then down the road and let them follow you. Okay right. I learned everything from the Rick. Grimes school, or another horde of zombies trick is to smear Zombie gets on. If an alien, if you find an alien, don't let your mom see it. Your mom, see it. Oh, right, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, don't let the parents. Obscure. Read it. If you're swimming in the sea is a shot. Don't swim in the. Bulla. I'm not sure if that's a good tip because you're already there while I'm giving you the tip before you go and do that. Than Jaws would never happen. Okay, any other tips you have are surviving. Can drink my own P.. That I learned from bear girls. Yes i. also I can do it and I want to, but didn't show as. L. is just for hydrating a person who's so unlike maybe can't even do it. Themselves remember to do it though I know you put something. Like you Walter Lord of a bag of water or a bag of fluid to enter tube, so it's not like you're going to be prepared for that anyway. You're not going to carry that in your backpack. No all see, we are totally prepared. What about if you do you start a fire with nothing? What I'm still on the okay now we don't have the tools for it, but we do have the Walta. Could you blow it into the? From the mouth don't like I'M GONNA Rona. I don't think I'M GONNA Yeah I'm. GonNa Sleep that one alone. What about because now that image is in? Well. I want to the girls. In my mind back rolls. Love. You can do that, but they wouldn't let me do it on. T. Me. Laugh. You'll die if we have designed. Without anything you just wrote to sticks to say that, but you've never had looks very difficult. It looks like you would have. No huns left before it finished so no, we wouldn't survive in I. Also, I know that you need cardio I don't have cardio. That's Zombie Land I. Don't get run from here to the end of our driveway, and that's not a very long driveway. So I would be lunch. Right off the bat, so everyone else could keep running so at least I would contribute something to society by sacrificing I fat, but for everyone. All right, so how do we get on this topic of survival? Because someone's claiming, this guy doesn't know how to survive, no one really does except the hardcore people and he's doing a good job. So. That's the IMDB reviews for this week. They sucked. So I'll give this a skull. I'll give it a seven I'll give it like eight and a half. Oh Yeah I think I was really engaged I was totally into it I understand Casey Affleck can be exceedingly serious at times, and it gets a little bit wearing, but then you have to think of this person that he's created the character the world he's living in the circumstance, and then the flashback show us. The wife has to convince him because he's broken at this point right right before she dies that he cannot go on, so he's not a person who's like. I handle. This will be fine. He wasn't like that at all. He was totally broken by the death of his wife, and probably is mother's sisters. Every woman around him right yeah, he wasn't Mr like powerhouse at all. So I have to think of that character also who's just not made for that world and yet ten years later. He still going and so I kind of have a little respect for that. A lot of respect for that character all right maybe recommendations I am going off the back of this one so I'm going Manchester by the sea, which is Oscar winning performance by Casey. Affleck crash excellent movie. If you're looking for a happy go look afternoon, it's not the movie did not. Know it's pretty depressing. What is? I don't feel like it's depressing now I feel the opposite is very. Depressing like a slightly light, you lip something. Yes. It really digs in your guts in. You're like Oh. Man, a my other one is a another independent style maybe from lionsgate and a ghost story. Which is also Casey? Affleck, joint also one of those that would split the crowd yet, but I really liked the concept of an liked how it was handled. and you know some people didn't like the Fight Lucian at supply for about seven minutes on screen. You probably didn't like that. either. Because you don't. Hey, don't like to listen to people, eat now. It's disgusting all-male makers listening. Trust me. You're not being artsy or making statement of any kind. We all know people eat. We all make sounds. We don't need to see it in the Musso. Go story does have gratuitous Pike's. So if you don't like that, you let me. So IOS Minar, because for twenty twenty I'm just going back one hundred years in fifty years to give you movies that were made in Nineteen, twenty, nine, hundred, seventy in the first one from nineteen, twenty is called sex. Pardon? Is it a nineteen twenties? Doesn't say there's department, says a Broadway. Actress used her sex appeal to ruin a marriage, only dumb her lover for a richer prospect toe right the another female empowerment movie. I know nothing about it. I've looked at some of the pictures. It looks very dramatic I'm certain. Meditate movie because it lists the orchestras that played in the different venue, so says. Time but it called sex, and it is remaining twenty I was looking through the images on. DVD has a picture of one theater like the outside of the cinema and it's just. Like, the whole thing is just got sex all over. It was really at the time. You know we all think. Oh, we've invented the tawdry -ness of talking about sex, but we haven't and then other news nineteen seventy, which is called the moonshine wars. And I didn't look that one up so i. don't know what that is I'll give it a guest. It's about prohibition Probably we will war. I Apologize Singular. Prohibition a federal agent attempts to make some real money before the alcohol ban is lifted, so he sets his sights on whiskey cash of an old army. Buddy. Oil sounds like a jerk. prohibition so that was team seventy. And it looks like it's black and white. Let me look at the pictures. It's got Alan alda. Matt Guy MCI. Most people that you've probably Alan Alda. Will there you go Joe Stalin older I know some other people that. Are Lots of things back in the seventies. So this week. scully stuff I've been playing the game, the lust of those pot to. Sit talk has also been watching. Let's just say let's just tell everybody as we were watching this movie. Unfold it Lidge both were like Whoa. This is almost the last of this story I. Think imparts. If you would just show them like certain seeing you might think is a loss of those movie. Like because it's very the design. Israel is very similar to at. Its after the fall of society. Own Board not tired yawning. For some reason. Argued after the fall of society when You know. You've got a girl nurse. Disease in there's immunity. And then there's terrible. People have kind of all learn together. So the last was to You don't often watch me play video games, but you did. Watch me play the whole of the last of the fossil trip, and you look the story I'll speak. You really loved. Thanks you were attached to Joel Elliott user you'll. You really liked the not invested like you are, but yeah, those good story out did did you know the is the HBO are making a list of television show? I, believe it now. It's actually. It's GonNa look like this movie yet from. I don't know if it follows the story of the Games are it's a whole new the old. Isn't that universe anyway? We've stopped playing the last of pot to. Without any major spoilers. How you liking early love it is. It's fun I mean. We could we could? Spoil anything in this game. Let's just. What we haven't actually experienced it all anyway. You didn't have any spoilers. I think it's only fair not to pass on any accidentally. Ours is really it's a well told story. It's another one of those things where you have to get your mind. Into they if this word, the situation of the current world if this had happened. Yes, it's fiction, but if it happened what happened by the way. I don't know the origin. You said they'd never told us but I think they did tell us in the first game. was upon that there's some kind of spore that makes mushrooms makes. Like It's actually not as Zombie. You're kind of like your brain. On, that his real. Yeah, the resume be wasp. That will get on top of the other bug. Infiltrators brain, but his Lara in there, then it controls that yes, other insect to go where it wants it to go to get the food to feed the larva, and that was the idea that these spores human human, just become sort of. Like a a what a like pulpit like a control Yelich percolator, because at some point, it's going to break down and then poof shoot the spores out right here in that it just keeps propagating itself, and so these people aren't like zombies all different types. There's runners and boaters all kinds. In so in that world and you're playing. You play a game for a lot more hours than you make. Watch a movie kind of just have to get your mind in it and be like wow survival yet again we'll be terrifying. If you were relying on a group of people to protect you or you aren't the guy who wanted to be or the Gal. Who wanted to be like? I'm the protector right as a unit. If you're just on your own in that world terrifying. Yeah, you're really up against it, you Ellie. I mean stuff's coming in from all angles everything. Infected regular, people jerks people are. Always people beefy guys with sledgehammers. All stuff coming. And, so you gotTA adoption survive survive. This is a vital game, but it's very narrative driven right? It's not just. About kills stuff is is a big story in yet which is continuing from the first one. and. I've been shocked about. Twice Sofa like Jelly Oh. Wow. This story is pretty good. It's It doesn't hold any punches pulling violent. Oh definitely I mean very violent like. There's lots of killing to survive. But A it's beautifully. Executed it looks amazing. I like the new feature of writing about on the whole series. You know that whole level near the beginning where you're going around McCain stuff off the map. Really like that. We aren't doing that. That's just seems to be a one off thing right like that was like just. There's got to be variety because if every single thing was you go in this building, you kill all the things, and then you come out of the building in the new go to the next building. Then he kill all the stuff now that that was more of a treasure hunt of sorts. Yeah, it was like an a big open area where you can kind of tackle it anyway. I mean these are the go and buildings and kill a bunch of stuff. It had a plan belie they have this cool thing. Tell a story through not through a cut scene of through, but it's through like notes you find an I'll refill you to Boris's story. Is kind of like a trail of breadcrumbs that a lot of players, maybe only hit one of the breadcrumbs all of them. Yeah, because you walk around in every single room. If you go to every room of every building, some rooms have nothing in it to gain walking around hoping you find weapons and ammunition does like every game like that right? And then you might walk into a little closet that's through a door down the hall over to the Left and the only thing in there is a piece of paper laying on top of the shelf, and then you pick it up and you read it now. If you've never gone down that hallway or gone into that whole building, you wouldn't get any of that so fascinating that people can finish the game without knowing all the stuff. Yes, so you you know like I'm pretty meticulous. Looking for stuff you can say that. But sometimes I feel like I do miss things like sometimes. You have to run away from stuff and I am thinking to myself as I'm running Oh my God this whole that I'm running through I. Bet it's got stuff in it, but I'm not staying. Sticking around I'm leaving. I'm getting out this door. So, yeah, but this story stories told through these notes and you get a picture of this world. You know young people who've lived through whatever is horrible. Sto flight like when we removed the. Dumpster from in front of the garbage door. There's the whole story play taking place inside that that we learned about. Kind of the fact. We did the thing that we found a note? Oh. Not that it. Changes the game, but also. Excuse me does contribute to you finding more ammo surviving the next onslaught. Things like that, so I don't know how you could get through this whole game without finding all that unless you just made it so hard on yourself and you were hardness. Did you pick normal right? which is this one to this five levels of difficulty level three right so then what would hard be hard would be this virtually. No like you've got one or two shots all the time. And maybe no clues that seems like. How could you expect a person to get through this? Still get all the clues and everything. It just be really limited resources so. I mean it wouldn't be impossible at any point. Count like throw you in a boss fight and you've got nothing right, 'cause 'cause then you couldn't progress can't go backwards, so you can't go back and get more training and get more ammo you. Cut You off as a linear kind of populism, you get so new point the point is. To. Say if you like long. Long Games lots of killing in Gore. And a good story you might try I. Mean it's a big investment so i. think it some. Like a third longer than the original game so. It's substantial is a good amount of content for sure and a good amount story and you can tell it's like multimillion dollar game. It's not everything about is really good the motion capture. The graphics. The sounds have a couple of complaints, but you know overall while you can put that most every single clicker clicker runner, whatever they are are the same. Is Hurricane one over and over and over and over and over and I think really you said seven years making. Everything else looks so amazing that you can't make twenty different versions of that thing. I mean it's gets a little bit like what? I am. Might be a technical like. Memory or whatever act is look at the places. Where you are you just you just walk through twelve rooms. It looked so incredibly different in the settings are like lush forests, big cities, and all that kind of stuff, so that'd be at. There's another thing I feel like they rushed or they just didn't. Get around to doing. I don't know. The first game every click. Every there was about to, as it makes them more because you are dealing with human live people in the clippers, and this, this new breed of infected the stall move thing. It's like intelligent clicker I mean there are people who got in fact, and so something has happened to their brain to make them turn into like a sneaky little bug, but when when I come up against a click as I know from the first game I can creep very critically. The Count See. The heads of completely infested. So you can creep up and stop them in the back of the head. End Game over for the click and you kind of know how we can deal with them. These stalker ones I don't know how to deal with I. Still don't understand out to because they. Are She one and it takes a sidestepping knows the issue Right scancen learn, and then you try and hit. And it runs away and goes and hides in Colorado something and then comes back another wrangler. It's very scary. They're jerks. Absolute joke, so that's the last of us. Pat To way will be going. Threaten finally get. We'll get to the NFC weapons, and then right when we finished it. We definitely do like a spider discussion that because I think it's excellent story so far anyway. The first one was masterpiece story for me. I mean I play video games to know that most of them have really shitty stories. You know like the not rule. Most video games are not wrote like movies the not actually. Good quality the tendons. But this one is, it's just like a movie. So what is? Tonight change of pace I'm going to make some spaghetti. Vegetarian is vegetarian. Telling you what we eat because we're vegetarian, not every vegetarian is healthy end you know animal loving tree hugging all the things you think vegetarian. No I am a round middle aged woman. We like junk food. We just haven't eaten meat for ten years. It's not the big a deal and tonight. I'm GonNa Make Spaghetti because about some news spaghetti sauce. We have those What are they called? They're like spicy. I call it fake chicken. A some people are offended by that, but it is what it is like a patty, but it spicy can make like. Chicken Parmesan, but without Parmesan, and without any chicken. It's great. We also before we go and see store for. We were still watching. The X. Files. We actually Oh, yeah, we're see season three episode two now. And, it's really fun to watch it. It really is because I've forgotten most of it. Yeah, I mean you going. It was hundred seventy two episodes, and they were also add what. Twenty years ago and I never revisited to watch them again like I have with Star Trek. So yeah I really funny like every every one comes on I'm like I don't really know what this is going to be. And then I vaguely recall most also knew Oh. Yeah like this is what's GonNa doctoral welcome screen, and I'll be like Oh. This is the one with ham from breaking but I know this one. Hank from hang from raking godsend one of them, and he might as well just behind right even the. Even the out phase, wearing his hank. So Yeah, that's my stuff. What issues of myself is nothing really just? I get. I'm not a big fan of. Think do over the split in my brain I. Don't know what it is impressed with humanity as with all natural things in the world. That were very innovative and creative and compassionate, and all that kind of stuff. We build crazy. Amazing engineered we on the lowest common denominator. We are still the most compassionate helpful to one another. We Care Right. And then there's all the horrible shit that we do. And usually the horrible shit that we do to one another or to our environment or I, mean those are the only two things right to each other or to the whole of the world. Is. Because we think something matters or that it's important. Are we feel it's important or we believe it an idea in your head? And then you will act in a way that is destructive in horrible and hateful, just because of that idea in your head that at some point something somebody a book, a person, your whole life of maybe being. Indoctrinated into this idea. that it matters, and it only matters because. Someone told you. It does because you have decided it. Does. That doesn't mean it matters in the whole of the world and all of the universe. Right correct and I don't know how to distill this into. There's not just one thing that makes me want to tell. People like right, so you had that idea I get it. This is important to you, and if we discuss it, we I can see the impact on others I get it I, get it. It matters to you, but just because it matters to you, and maybe to a group of people. It doesn't mean actually matters to everyone. And? I don't think it should other than the idea that every person. Does have like sort of. Like you should have a life. To be able to thrive to be as healthy as possible to make choices where you are to. Gain or not gainer just live on a hill or learn this that and the other or travel around the world or become A. Insanely Genius Engineer to build the most amazing thing. The humans have ever seen or just. Have a garden in your backyard and never leave your little plot of land, entire life, or where address regardless of what gender your signed or marry whoever you to of you have fallen in love and want to make a life together or. You know build a humongous billion dollar business that requires a lot of efforts and a lot of education, a lot of logistics of moving parts, because you want to have for yourself a big mansion or a nicer car. You just want a different lifestyle. I'm all I'm on board with all that. Right but just because you want the mansion and it matters to. You doesn't mean it matters to that person over there. And, just because you don't want people of the same sex to get married to each other, and that matters to you, it doesn't really matter in the world. And in all of history in all of time. It's a very singular idea that by deciding that for everyone else. You've just eliminated the freedom of some other humans in this planet in all billions of years. We're going to exist. To make choices for their own life because you've decided, someone told you that it mattered. To be. Like to have that idea in your head and it doesn't. Maybe. It matters in your life, so guess what if you're a dude in either want mayor dudes to marry dudes. This is gonNA. Be Really Earth shattering advice. Don't marry a dude. Like is very simple correct. It's extremely exceptionally simple if you don't WanNa wear. Address, because you, you earn dude and you decide I. Don't know I. Don't want to wear a dress and your neighbor does. Why do you care? Because it matters to you that all the men wear pants and shirts and look alike. Because guess what that doesn't matter to everyone, and on these very basic levels you can keep multiplying that up and up and up, and yes, there is no perfect world. We will never have a utopia. Everyone won't be happy and the world won't be just I. Do not believe in. World Peace I don't believe in adjust humanity. I just don't think that's possible. That's my bleak side. But on the hopeful Zaid, if you if some people will just stop themselves and let go of some of those things, they think matters around their neighbors in their loved ones and their grandchildren. People just in general. It would make your life so much better. It really would, and that's what I would hope for. Everybody is just you know. It can matter to you, and it doesn't matter to someone else and vice versa, so while said kind goes for this day and age carrying. But. It's not really advice. All right, so I wanNA. Tell you about. A school scully dot com. You can go that. Click on the web podcast, and you'll be able to subscribe with a numerous plethora. Of items to you know places. Who Play, chains music, still spotify, June an IHEART radio stitcher. Catches on instagram and facebook email escalate escalate dot, com. Go emails, said Talk. She doesn't one on the Gulf. Gulf! and Gus doesn't matter to make. That's fine if it matters to you. As actually. Finally stay classy Mr Casey Affleck. Is Overall, but I'm saying for making movies you can mark. This is. He did the right to know the film the One with Joaquin Phoenix. We didn't see that one and it seemed kind of with. Listen to you guys mental. So are you a one-star review or now? Even though I didn't see it. So they go stay classy Mr Casey. Say Thank for yourself because if you don't do it, someone will do it for you.

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Cinephile: The Adnan Virk Movie Podcast

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"This is Sinophile nNcholas cage, very sincere group of film enthusiasts. Who are proudly goodness or baby. Apparently read the wrong name. Sinophile highs on the professional actor direct for love is so much this world. That's dividing us in music is one of those great schools freezes together. All Rudd, there's baseball and World War Two. It's kind of a tree Sinophile the at nine Virk movie podcast. Yes. Why was it? I still recording. That would have been gold run the. It's a light warm story. That's actuated by the power of Redford smile on the best special effects in movie history. That's from ABC Graham, Detroit News. He's talking about the new film called the old man of the gun Robert percents. It's going to be as final acting performance overview that movie along with mid nineties, a director debut of one Joan a hill and also have Rick past view of how Awin which were fartsy since he's a horror movie aficionado. So if Ricky gives it the seal of approval, that's a good thing. Thanks as always for checking out the file with Dan Stanton. Repass more a madman Virk, and of course, our friend. Ben lines is always a contributor, and Ben is very busy right now. So I want to start with this in search of greatness as a documentary that he is the executive producer of its opening theaters. This Friday November second go to Enserch of greatness dot com. And that's where you can purchase tickets for this documentary from gay Polski, particularly sports fans, you'll enjoy because it's a focus on what makes it great athlete, and Wayne Gretzky Palay and Jerry Rice of the athletes featured are hoping to get gave. Polski on the podcast next time around and then I'll give them more in-depth review of the documentary. But it's excellent. And you can check it out in search of greatness dot com with that we launched in old man of the gun rob away. Excuse me, of course, on I tunes where you can check us out give the podcast rating in a five star rank movies at a former police, I haven't checked recently. But I'm sure the reviews that they are really that helps us functioning here. So we appreciate all the love and support old man of the gun, Robert, Redford, quite simply if you like Robert Redford you like the movie, you don't like, Robert Redford. You're not gonna like the movie if you're kind of red kind me on the movie, it's the story of got enforced Tucker based on a true story. He was a criminal who had a reputation for being a really nice guy. He would walk him with a briefcase in small fidora. He would ask the manager the manager would appear with a smile. He would say, hey, I'm gonna need to speak to you about something opened his jacket show his gun. Eventually the Bank manager would be kind of jolted. He would smile reassure that everything's fine. Just probably mind this briefcase. I'm going to go. And he ended up getting a reputation for being guy who pulled off the string of heights and after being caught by the authorities instinct Quenton, honestly, find various ways to escape. So Detective John hunt is on his tail cat and mouse game that's played by Casey Affleck, the Academy Award winner. His first performance Manchester by the sea as Sissy space plays a love interest of Redford's, and they have really nice chemistry to them as well. Danny Glover, and Tom waits are also in the movie which coming by surprise haven't seen those guys in a while, but they play Redford's accomplices. So honestly, it's a light breezy thriller. There's not a whole ton of backstory to it. But Robert Redford is one of the great American actors the last fifty years, and it's a pleasure just to see on the big screen again. So as I said, if you're fan of his work, and I've talked previous actors showcase about Redford, and where movies like the sting rank and more recent movies, all his loss and entertaining movies sneakers or the last castle, I suppose drew Brooks big fan Gandolfini, you should check it out. But honestly, there's not a whole lot to it. It's very nice breeze. Entertainment, and it's well done Aflac kinda just phones into be honest. If you're watching for Casey Affleck, you should go watch gone baby gone. Instead, can we get the maple leaf Saudi here before you continue to besmirch my guy Casey Affleck, give it two and a half Maple Leafs with with a strong caveat of if you'll have Redford than you'll love the movie, I like record I enjoyed it. If you don't like Redford you trust me. This is a hard pass the next movie to recommend or at least discuss is mid nineties, and this is directed by Jona hill. Yes. That Jona hill wrote and directed it. And it's about a group of thirteen fourteen year olds who were living with a turbulent home life. I guess we'd call them truants back in the day. It's nineteen nineties, Los Angeles. They're just a bunch of skaters. They're out there. Having a good time smoking cigarettes smoking, we try to score some booze hanging out the local skate shop insulting each other making fun of each other using a very popular gay slur back at that time. And that's essentially the film, and I guess if those who liked it would point to the fact that feels authentic and realistic. And this is the way kids talk, and especially kids of that age. Mean you definitely feel like you're watching move from the mid nineties than it has that sense of place. Having said that I didn't like the film because I just thought it was one note. I mean, it's essentially a bunch of kids who I never want to hang out with and when I was their age, I wasn't one of them. So I didn't like these people anyways who the hell wants to hang the bunch of Fourteen-year-old skateboarders. And like I said, they're just crass and profane and bullying to others and just not the kind of people I want to spend time with in life, and certainly not on the screen. So I'm already, you know, I have a disconnect to them, and I just have no interest in appealing to them. It's not to say every character relatable. But there has to be some element of sympathy. And I just did not get that with these guys. The main character is actually realized skateboarder sunny Soljic and try to build a relationship with him and his older, brother. Lucas hedges also for Manchester by the sea. But but hedges comes across as like a one night one note, bullying older brother, and I didn't really care for his characters performance. So I join a hill credit for the fact, he's obviously made a movie impose. To him. Maybe this movie was was he in the movie or maybe he knew people like that. And he's been out there. Trump promoted, but for me, it didn't work it kinda remind me the film kids were Larry Clark film back in nineteen ninety-five. He's just revolting characters in these terrible things. I wouldn't say mid nineties is a kids for twenty eight teen. But in that vein of dislike -able characters were adolescence and treat people like crap. Don't really care what the repercussions. So that's mid-nineties. Is it funny? There's moments of it. But I found the humor was kind of mean spirited. So that's why I wasn't even appreciate the humor is done with mockery and making fun of other characters like, you know, and I just don't really kind of find like you're saying Jona hell stick to acting fanatics to direct exactly both you guys know your sweet spots systemic to where the best I'm gonna get midnight is one and a half maple leaves the next movie. Trust me, we're getting passports, Halloween and just a minute is wildlife. That's directed by Paul dano. Speaking of actors turned directors, and this is a story about a marriage in crisis back in the nineteen sixties Jake. Jalen hall plays. As the dad who's recently unemployed, and is looking for work and decides to go fights in wildfires leaving his wife played by Carey mulligan, who is absolutely Dan stands favorite. So she is obviously very upset that why he's leaving. And he's doing it for like a dollar an hour like some terrible pittance to go, obviously risk your life fighting fires. But he just feels this question this mission to go. Do it ends up leaving his wife and his child. So the movie then ends of focusing on Carey mulligan and her character. And I realized as watching it that this is kind of making a statement for female independence of that age. And how like a lot of, you know, working women are middle-class ended up being left to their own devices and to kind of try to find their own way. And so the character who I don't know if it's based on Paul dano as a kid where he got the influence of Ed oxen, bold plays the kid. He's a fourteen year old. So the focus is on Ed and his mom Carey mulligan as now they're navigating life without their dad Jay chilling hose out there, fighting wildfires and carry Morgan ENZA falling in love with Bill camp who I love because he was in the night up. He played the cop guys great show. So the story becomes about this family in crisis and eventually Jilin hall returns. And now, the story becomes okay? What's going to happen? Once dad returns can dad keep this family together or has the family been fractured. So as a domestic story, I can certainly appreciate Paul Danna was searching for I thought he needed a little bit more own overall, particularly in the climax. It would have liked a little more resolution by did think. Good performances, it's like Sundance one. It's one of your indie movies that you know, does well on the festival circuit. So I'll give it to and a half maple leaves for wildlife from Paul dano currently playing in select theaters, starring Carey mulligan and Jake Jilin hole. Lastly, I want to talk about this. Jim Carey show called kidding. Which is on Showtime. So I love Jim Carey, I think he's one of the great actors of our time. Not just great comedic actors. I think he should have been robbed of Academy Award nominations for the Truman show or attornal sunshine, or even you know, he played Andy Kaufman man on the moon, even his comedic roles guy. A why can't why can't a comedic actor get known for best actor, so Jim Carrey's back which is a great thing to see because he's been very busy with this paintings and doing this kind of political commentary. So he's back doing a show and talk about mister Rogers being everywhere. The character is based on Mr. Rogers type and the conceit of the show is this imagine if you're a kids talk show host, but you're someone who's actually dealing with a lot of pain in your own life. So EON screen, you are full of sunshine, and you're radiating, positively for young kids, but off camera you're depressed, and he's dealing with. The fact he lost one of his twin sons in a car accident and he's divorced from his estranged wife. He's trying to repair that relationship and as dad play by Franklin jealous, the one who's executor. Preuss of the show, Loveland gel frost Nixon, and Catherine keener places sister whose ox also works in the show, another great indiactors, and it sounds like it has all the elements units. Definitely strange and weird. Michelle Gajah was involved from turtle sunshine believes the executive Bruce of the show. But honestly, I'm punting on the show after seven episodes because it's just too strange into irreverent and honesty. It's too dreary. The show ends up being, you know, moments of him being as the kids talk show host. But an off camera like, it's just it's a drag watching this, and I give Jim Craig credit for sale, and I'm going to play a character who is suffering through this real Malays. And he's such a good character and good actor. They bring it to life. But it's one of those movies are TV shows. Just so downbeat I need a little bit more. What are the what are the plot devices? He's falling in love and is love with a woman who's dying of cancer. And like he's he's literally with her because she was like live three weeks to live as such a good guy. He wants to always be a good person. Everybody the ends of sleeping with her. And they're having this relationship as she's dying. And I'm like, you know, what I don't. I don't wanna spend three. Minutes every week on Showtime watching Jim Carey in this relationship. There's also once in Catherine keener 's husband is the daughter is taking piano lessons. The dad drops dollar, piano lessons. The looks at the window and sees her piano teacher and her father engaging in a sexual act, which leads to the most memorable line of the seven that I watched of kidding. Which was when Catherine keener approaches, the panel teacher and says did you hand my husband, which expression, I had never heard before I with hand jobs with that's the only heard it before that that line of almost made the Cephas worth watching and there's definitely some moments of humor. But overall, I'm gonna give kidding to believes. I just can't get through it. But I love seeing Jim Carey. And if you love Jim Carrey, maybe check it out. Rick Passmore Halloween. Let's do this. I had to go. See this twice. After the first screening on Thursday. I sat there and I loved it. I loved the initial screening I love the fact that it's very true to the roots of what carpenter and Debra hill did forty years ago. Jamie Lee Curtis is probably might be her best performance of her career, which is saying something because she's been in a lot of fantastic role called Wanda would latest called Wanda true. True. True life. Ause van kin the strip seen my gun. But I was sitting there thinking about and there's a lot of there's a lot of tonal beats that it shares with the original which happens in remakes reboots and different thing at new sequels and stuff like that. However on the second viewing because I am seeing some of the the turns already and things that happen kind of took away from it a little bit. It definitely does not have the rewatch ability of the of the original. It doesn't have the rewatch ability of some of the sequel's just in terms of just general enjoyment of just bad filmmaking. So it kind of falls in this weird gray area of being a really good film. But not one that I would probably go back and watch multiple multiplying. And I'll grant I'm going to buy the Blu Ray when it comes out on Halloween fan. I want to support what that what David Gordon green? And Dana McBride wrote I thought they made excellent scrip that has a lot of subtexts with victimhood and surviving and especially with the metoo era. There's there's a. Little seen when Jamie Lee Curtis. They it's been pretty played up at this point in commentary and dissection, but when the the two journalists slash podcasters are trying to her into information, and she's pretty much done with it, and they offer three grand. And she just goes. All right time's up, all except my payment. It just stands there. Looking out the window with her hand out like get the get the hell out of my house. And so there's there's a lot of nuance. And there's a lot of very blatant references to things going on in very political, feminine statements. But at the same time, that's also what Debra hill wrote in seventy eight when they wrote the original Halloween, the she wrote on his characters, and that's something that's been talked about for the last four decades. How well written the women were they weren't just bimbos and whatnot. Just the be they're like they became in future poor films. I'll scary as. Today's buzz, but to say these movies are either fishing hormones now are just really scary. Or they're scary and funny with like a tongue in cheek wink, wink, which one is that one out of here, by the way. It's not that scary. If you're if you're tuned to horror films, and especially that was one of the groups have had told to me by friends of mine that are big horror movie fans that they're saying how not scary. It is. I'm like, but at the same time, it's doing a lot of what carpenter and hill. Did back forty years ago, you watch Halloween now it's still it's the idea of it is scary. The idea of this this emotionless shape. Stalking you coming after you with no regard. And just no you can't stop him. That's the fear. It has a few jump scares and has a few really solid. Brutal that scenes there's a I won't say who the character is that gets this. But Michael Myers does a nice little head stomp. And sorry, you're going to censor this out. But I heard an interview with Dana Brian. He said he wrote this in the first draft of the script and kept it in the final draft of the skip Michael puts his foot down and brain out of his head. And he said it's still in the final draft of the script. And that's what the went with an that is true. It is it is much much gory than the original. But in today's standards, it's very tame a lot of the stuff that you saw on the trailer. Another big gripe for me is how trailers reveal too much and this one does that with the jump scares. But the story is fantastic. It's extremely well. Written Jamie Lee, Curtis performances fantastic. So it's not Cyril. It's not it's not like scream. No. It's not satirical, extreme because I think it's just it's more playing on the rich current politics, not really politics as much as just the mindset of how we are society. And Vic the the blaming victims and trying to understand monsters as opposed to just letting monsters monsters and trying to get help for victims. I mean, this is Laurie strode spent forty years without any kind of psychological help. She just went back to school the day after all this stuff happened. There is no Halloween to here. So she is someone that's become a doomsday prepar, her houses, a complete like lockdown fortress, and she's got a ton of guns. It's very it's very weirdly pro second amendment in the terms of what is supposed to be for defense. And but she's got to none of the guns are used aggressively. There everything is meant to be self defense. And she's having this moment where the biggest moment she has. Has is. About twenty minutes into the film. She sitting out in her truck outside of the facility where Michael's going to be transferred and the bus rolls out. And she's just trembling and shaking, and she grabs this, she's she's got an alcohol problem, and she describes the shooter vodka and shaking Lee chugs down in his on the on the fringe of tears holding a revolver in her in her lap and watches the bus go by and just she just has a breakdown. You don't know what she's doing? She's gonna hurt herself. Whether she's going after the bus, but then you kind of figure out later in the film you figure like maybe she was going to just damn the consequences. I'm taking Michael out. He needs to die because that's been her whole thing. Like he needs to die. He shouldn't be alive. He shouldn't be any of this. So overall giving it three Maple Leafs three stars at was three and a half. When I first saw, but after the repealing, and then there's some things that were really I did take on bridge with how they were setting up. Character development how they play their new play their own washes. I thought there were some really good. Oh, my gosh is in it with the Halloween three in the all the kids wearing the silver shamrock masks. But I also thought there were some connections to other films, and especially with one character in particular few see the film, you'll you'll figure out who I'm talking about. But they definitely play him as kind of a a projection of the rob zombie halloween's because I feel this character is basically the same as a character in in the original what he's a lot dirtier, and I don't you don't really quite trust them. And by the end of his arc. You'll understand why Allah wean three Maple Leafs from Rick pass more old man under the gun two and a half wildlife, two and a half mid-nineties one and a half and kidding to believes that's a recap. And that's time for Michael junior, special guest review of Mandy. 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All right at long last teasing. This Michael junior making his debut appearance here on Sinophile, you are Sinophile and somebody who saw the movie Mandy, starring nNcholas cage or say recently, reviewed I want your unadulterated thoughts on this Nick cage film. It was everything that you guys build it to me when I asked the the Sinophile podcast crew about this movie. So the first our little so second half everything that you'd expect. And it did there was a certain cutoff point where in the first hour. I gained nothing from the characters actually being on screen. It was basically from the introduction of the whole crew in the van they see Mandy from there on you've got a movie once I get to that, you know, everything that happened. Once they, you know, this ragtag maniac group of bikers invades, the house and all that stuff and really for me. Life began at the cheddar goblins commercial for me that was where it all started. So from there on out, it was an absolute acid trip that I loved to death describe for people that cheddar God. Commercial what exactly that entails because this may help people go see the movie cheddar goblins is essentially the movies brand of MAC and cheese of choice that plays on the TV. That was not often used in this house. Like, we never really saw this thing on except in this moment after some of the most grotesque core or known to man, he walks inside. And the first thing he sees are on the commercial. It's just a goblin on the screen, vomiting, macaroni and cheese. All over these children who were ecstatic. They're overjoyed to have this MAC and cheese belch up on their faces. And I just thought wow. Real life needs more cheddar goblin commercials. There's been a half dozen great Nikkei's moments blood spurting over his face over the tap glee and his face. If that was the Nick cage, we got like Mike Ryan are by mama talk show. I don't know if he's see any. But I feel like one of us should techs, Mike and say, listen, you should watch this pick it up at the forty five minute, Mark. I feel like he would appreciate that the the bathroom shouting seen. He's just shutting vodka and throwing it in his wounds screaming into the camera. And then for me when he goes. Just like nNcholas cage is all that as men in this movie. He's an outdoorsman he's chopping down trees in the beginning. And then you get him in the forged. He's a blacksmith. Forging his own instrument of death to go exact revenge on this group of mutant bikers. He crafts the most elaborate death sites. I've ever seen that part was all masterful him just this raw gritty sweaty blood covered, man. Michael junior. Follow on Twitter 'em, JR, five seven pleased us affair. We tweet out this link to promote your parents just include the hashtag cheddar goblins all day. I can't believe it. That Philip brought has little brother on our mission into orbit. Hello until we get there. Get there. I'll get there. Now. I can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on my car insurance with gyco. What's this button? Do what's this button? Do what's best button? Do what's this? Believe it. Geico could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. You're listening to the foul. The movie podcast, a real thrill the bring in Ben Foster's film is called leave. No traces also been a great films like hell or high water the messenger, three two new and others. Ben. Thanks much of the time today. Glad to be here. Leave no trace in the first thing. I stuck out to me was Deborah. Greg's me another movie Alleluia she did winter's bone, which put Jennifer Lawrence on the map. And she's a terrific writer and director, and it was so good to see you in her teaming up in this movie, which again focuses on the environment and very elemental style. What was it that attracted to the movie, what was it like working with Deborah why to your point? I I was a big fan of Deborah's in in before her working winters Bill in the film down to the bone with your for Migo the deals with addiction was just a knockout knowing that. She only makes film every five seven years. This was a an exciting read. What really? Just tore me up was was I didn't know what it was about. When I read it. And my wife, and I just found out that we were having a daughter stories about a father and daughter Singa by in many ways. And so I felt pretty tenderizer to a story about parenthood is speaking of that I was watching the film, and my wife said to me what Ben fought he's way too young to be a dad for Thomas MacKenzie. Plays your daughter in the film, and I said, well, this guy is event or any number. No people have kids at younger time, and especially with whether set I just loved the chemistry. You had with her new obviously had a real paternal sense of that. But, but I agree with your point that you're a young guy to be a dad, how did you kind of develop that chemistry at Thomson and be this father to her in the movie. Well. You know, how the birds and the bees work, it ain't it ain't necessarily when you know, it's that age. So so if she was playing around fourteen. I just turned thirty eight yesterday. So it's conceivable. You look good for your man. Look at that. I appreciate it. Connection with Tom. She's she's just a great actor in. And her light is still on. You know, you look in the eye, and you can see that. Her light is on. So that was that was such a joy to work with with that kind of actor, and we went into the woods, and we we did a primitive skills training. And learn to do all those this revival elements practically and you do enough of those tasks with somebody you're either gonna get along or not. And we we happen to get along quite well that goes to seamlessly into my next question, which is the preparation for the role, you're playing a guy a veteran who Samson PTSD he and his daughter are homeless to to our eyes. But in his is this is the world that he wants to live, and he does not want to be in a home. He does not want to live in an urban center. He wants to live in a forest, and he's gonna just forage and have this his daughter. That's it. So did you go like Daniel Day-Lewis and live in a cabin for a year? One hundred hundred you approach the rule, we we had the opportunity to to to work with a permit a skills coach, Dr Nicole Appalachian at a Portland. And and she specializes in. In these skills. These these primitive skills. That if I can do it physically if I can do the job physically than they don't have to think about it when the camera's rolling, and if I don't have to think about it. Something felt camera picks it up, and that's usually when it starts to get good. That's terrific performance. And you have a really good performance in the movie leave no trace is the film. I encourage people to check it out hell or high water was a great film, man. God we love that movie here to use PM four Oscar nominations, you want an independent spirit award for your performance. Chris pine paying your brother in the movie, David McKenzie. Directed Taylor Sheridan road up. Jeff bridges, obviously, so memorable in how were you able to play that character plant so well. Well, I'm I'm so glad you dug it he was he I read the script annuity looked like nudie sounded like so much of that is is a tribute to Taylor shared in the writer. It's that man just left off the page and. They're just some things that just make sense. And that guy made a lot of sense. And that's probably not a healthy thing to admit. But it's. As far as working with Chris Japanese stories in the Senate was electric those guys. I know it's set in west, Texas. I'm not sure you shot it. What was it like being out there with those guys? I mean, he Jeff bridges is is exactly the guy. You want him to be super smart wild imagination. He's like playing music on set with this Qatar pine is one of my favorite people to to to hang out and work with he's he's he's a he's just he that was her second film. We did back to back. Actually, he's great. It was it was a. It was shooting guns and drinking beer and raising hell and a lot of fun. No way around it. Did you ever get bridges to do like some big lebowski? Is that just something that you wouldn't do as an actor? Did you just what the hell just ask me a little bit? A bit of the dude I you know, I'm not gonna ask. But if somebody doesn't on an air shot, I'll be very grateful. Ben foster's. We're talking to right now Sinophile his film is called leave. No trace a movie that I loved of yours is called the messenger. I wish more people had seen it with Woody Harrelson. He was nominated for an Academy Award. But guy thought you guys were both fantastic that movie and Adele apart of service. I don't even know people realize those haven't seen the movie, you moody, play couple of guys who have to go to the homes of families and inform them that their son has died in military duty. And I said what a what a grueling job you have to do. And especially your character is just so, you know, just difficulty dealing with it. I remember that seeing we're Woody finally lose it at the end. It was such a powerful movie. Tell me about the messenger. Well, again to work with Oren motormen was a joy, he he's the writer director of the messenger and rampart in the dinner time out of mind. He's he's he's a he's a true tour and and. Getting to ask questions with him. Was it was it was a privilege. You know, we we all get that. Call. Is that a loved one's gone, and we all make that call at some point if we live long enough that's part of this experience and that being someone's job, and it someone's job a casualty notification officer. That's what it's called you go and you knock on the door, and you tell a parent or brother lover set that their person's gone, and and and the cost of that is a part of where that we never discuss we look at numbers two ticks. But that's a that's a human to human relations job and just so much respect for military and those that serve in. We don't even understand what most of us don't understand the depths to which the the minimum serve our country. That's a very I appreciate those thoughts. Echo loose sediments. It's very moving film. What was it like working with Woody Harrelson? Oh, he's he's just he's best. He's what he just. I don't know what I mean, we we've done a few gigs together and. The same. There are good folks making good things, and that's heartening and in a time of a world celebrity nonsense. Jeff bridges, Woody Harrelson user. These are amazing artisan and humans care about humans. It's you know. Oh, goodness. Or anything more? I don't know. How much you pay attention Bendik critics? I know most actors just want to focus in the work. And I totally understand that respect that. But this quote, I think is interesting for Matt Zoller sized who's a critic. I really like he said Ben foster is one of those actors who makes even a bad film worth seeing. Sometimes he suggests the film you'd rather be watching. I think it's a compliment. Although I'm not totally sure what's your reaction to that? Quote. Well, I I'd say that I'm glad that that that he enjoys what watching some of the films that I've been in. And I probably would agree with him on certain cases, where I had wished that one might have been made. Differently. You can't you can't he can't, you know, my department is one department, and it's a big collaboration and no apologies. And no excuses. I like making things about people with people and come work, some don't know trace works. Yeah. And I I'm focusing like these smaller films, right? Leave no trace in the messenger, a hell or high water, but you've made some big big movies. X men the last day in the punisher. How does that experience? Compare when you're making these big budget popcorn moves to these smaller more intimate films. Well, the. On one hand doing larger film just means that your props or more expensive. It doesn't mean the experiences is is different than make believing. And that's what we do for a living on on the downside. It's art by by committee. And that can sometimes dilute perhaps, the vision of a single, you know, filmmaker which I'm just personally drawn to you know, writer director they'll makers so summer successful some are a fan. I like big small movies. I like all of it. One more rebel. I appreciate the time. James mangold? You mentioned writer directors. You like I love him and free ten to Yuma. I thought it was a good western may with him. Tell me about working with James because these directors whose he's done so many different genres, and he's really excelled in all the my think James Mangold is such an amazingly talented writer director, I have the most respect for him. I just saw Logan for the second time that move. So it's so good. It's seventies. Nor it's such a bad film in and dammit wolverine made me cry. I actually cried at that movie. So hats off to to to Mangold. He's awesome. And so are you three ten to Yuma the messenger, hell or high water and leave? No trace make sure people check it out. Ben foster. Thanks much time. Man. I appreciate it. Appreciate you have a good one. He's just an average man within average life and his views dictate that read my alley foremost. Playmates Dan Stansky, I thought it was a little little much every man, right? So people clamoring for this. We have not every man has been missing in action man for the last couple of files. He's now back with bang. He's from busy on the road was travelling dance dance expec. There's two reasons I'm incapable of cheating here them one. If I break the rules, and I get caught I'll get kicked out of coaching. And what's the second reason might not get caught blue chip Nick Nolte precious nineteen Ninety-four film, starring Nick Nolte as the beleaguer down on his luck. Frustrated burned-out surly foul. Mouth college basketball. Coach Pete bell bells western university dolphins program that wears blue and golden is based in Los Angeles. So put that one. Together is in the midst of a disappointing season bell has led western to two national championships. But now he's on the hot seat, he swearing left and right at his players and the officials even punts the ball and get to jetted early on in the film, and he's tankers with the media, which includes Ed O'Neill who's at the peak of married with children at the time and decided to go for this serious role after suffering the first sub five hundred season of his career bells under pressure to turn things around and meeting with his assistant coaches, which is held in the office of a sneaker company. I wish I was making this up bell is told that if he lands Butch McCray. Played by penny. Hardaway and Ricky row he'll be in the final four the following season. Coach bell hits the recruiting trail and runs into a handful of actual coaches playing themselves including the late great Jerry Tarr caning at UNLV engine behind who still coaching. Syracuse twenty four years later bell appeals to the families of the top recruits and sees that made great inroads. But both ask for improper benefits. One's mother wants a house with a lawn and a new job. Job and the other father wants a new tractor. Despite the constant cursing ornery, demeanor bell appears to be a man of morals and character, he scoffs at the request by the recruits and their families, but the desire to win and return to prominence proves to be too much to quell Belva relies on friends of the program to steer their crews in his direction. In the meantime, he also lands unheralded prospect from the depths of Louisiana named neon who is played by shack. And as you might expect with penny shack in the film, the basketball scenes are excellent. I would argue that they probably go on for too long. But the director William freakin hope I'm saying that right? Chose to use actual basketball players because he felt that actors make for unconvincing athletes in most sports films along with Henny shack. Bobby Hurley Calbert Cheaney Ellen Houston. Rick Fox and others were used with McRae row ended neon in the lineup. Western upsets, number one ranked Indiana coach by the legendary Bobby Knight in the season opener and not actually shadowed Knight during Indiana's nineteen ninety. Season to prepare for the role. So Bill got what he wanted. But do the ends justify the means would means more in a game corrupted by money rules in integrity or winning and success. I give the film three stars on its merits alone in an additional half star for being so far ahead of its time. Blue chips. All right. I did not realize you said it would be so head of its time. At the time was not to be entertaining. Popcorn sports flick, Nolte's gray. I love the opening. This comes into crazy tirades room comes back again. You know, these Taipei crazy basketball coaches, Bobby Knight to the extreme, Dan, doc, as we both know in love here at ESPN says, he I don't use a consultant or is in the movie, maybe I was looking for dockage because I know he's probably assistant coach I need at the time. You may see like a shot of his hair before it was all gone. Yeah. But I I wasn't sure if I could if I could point him out while he was a part of the process, they told me these couple of days with Knowlton is what was he like great guy. Heavy smoker gets after he goes, but the big. Thing that I remember about him. I just amazing acting talent. Or just the way he would listen and observe, you know, brutal. Beal like. That should be brutal. I should do just the breath Beal he stunk. I said just going to be the character because he's just. He's just Sheffield the film because I don't think the yo is like character trait. I don't think it's. You can't act be oh, you there have or you don't method acting, but he stunk ITAR time, which reminds me Nick Nolte book is terrific. We've been trying to auction off your incentive Sinophile once again, nobody has claimed it yet the question they asked all of you forgot 'cause you can just Google this point Nick Nolte's voiced as scribe by trauma star. Film critic his voice is like what just tell us. What that is tweet us Sinophile ESPN. You can have an autograph copy. No, not by Nick Nolte by me. My autograph copy of Nick Nolte on a biography, which dovetails nicely with Dan's revisitation of blue chips, the movie Penny Hardaway, right? He's homesick. He's pretty good movie. I thought his his. Do you think that was like a precursor he got game and spike using an actual basketball player? Absolutely. Absolutely. I that's why on the pressure in part of because I think if you'd asked me to watch bass movie, I would immediately say he got game. But blue chips is probably better than I realize and should get credit as being the template of sorts for other basketball moves I'm sure spikes, what rather than get an actual plant player. I'd rather have the player, and that's all I'll nail the basketball scenes and the acting. I can just work with the guy. I was eight at the time. So I don't know how it was received. I remember seeing it, but was it seen as like, oh, this is what's actually happening? College basketball scene is this like this never goes on some fantasy heightened reality. But was happening. Maybe it happens in small circles. But this movie is really just taking Lisa faith with a typical Hollywood is treatment of it. And I'm like, no, this was actually it's time based on doesn't want to pay the players guy and. Leave. Shame out of my guy. Guys, JC Penney. You can find all the great looks. Whether you're in the officer on the go raise your game with collection by Michael Strahan. I'll relaxing look. Good on the weekend with MSMX by Michael Strahan exclusively at JC. Penney. JC Penney style in value for all. When a film critic and director jokes too. To pass more goes in defense. Rick. It's been awhile. What are we will ever since leather face and Michael Myers became indie film icons, the slasher genre seen many antagonist to create nightmares and some insidious humor beyond all the reboots and Retailing's cannons. Changing and cheapening the value of films before it one film is tackle the idea of slashers in an inventive light. No. I'm not talking about west craven screen talking about two thousand six is behind the mask the rise of Leslie Vernon. It's darkly comedic ninety six minute meta Machi memory that follows the titular character and his path on becoming a mass murdering icon the likes of Freddie, Jason and Mike as he's referred to in the film lesley's played by Nathan basil. And he takes Taylor hoops played by Angela goals. You know, her from home alone from the older sister and home loan. She's a college journalism student side, and she's taken inside the preparation inter workings of his first quote unquote job along with her crew of Todd and Doug Taylor. Follows Leslie through his workout regimen. His studies about human anatomy and allusion practices and is set up for his quote survivor, girl, the one who create his legend. He introduces his mentor Eugene play by the late Scott Wilson, and his a hab the Grizzle protagonists that will help aid survivor curl played by none other than FREDDY Kruger himself. Robert anglin. It takes a turn when Taylor and crew realize this isn't just a silly story. But isn't fact, very real when the decide to stop their project, the film switches from documentary to to traditional narrative style, and I'll stop there from discussing any more plot points to avoid major spoilers the film sex and disrupts many of the tropes in schools of thought behind slash films addressing the symbolic nature of weapons hiding and escape as well as the need for gratuitous sex and drug use among victims. Basil is fantastic in the rule, the rookie serial killer, bringing odd epat to the mind of a cinematic monster while also chillingly portraying such being while the horror genre so much more much more. Polish satire by drew Goddard and joss Weeden twenty twelve's cabin in the woods behind the mass. Does a fantastic job of setting the groundwork for meta hor in the new millennium much like how screen reset the slasher genre decade before released by anchor bay at sadly, gross less than seventy thousand dollars theatrically statically in three weeks but received a cult life on home video earning a Saturn award nomination for best DVD release in two thousand eight critics were favorable of its execution with seventy four percent, rotten tomatoes, but a slightly weaker sixty six on metacritic fans. John have turned out for the film. But I still deserve still feel deserves a bigger audience, and you can watch the film right now on Amazon prime. I've never seen. It haven't heard of it. You had me at tischler. And also thought on Robert England who is Freddie Krueger he's actually like five nine British accent. Like have you ever seen live? It's shocking. Right. Yeah. And he plays. He plays a straight straight man in this one no makeup. He's only in about four scenes total. But just the fact he's also another. Another cameo by Kane Hodder who played a majority of the Jason voorhees characters in front of the thirteenth has a quick little cameo at the beginning of the film a lot of this. The film does take place in a world where all of these things have happened Michael Myers and FREDDY, and Jason and Chucky like all these like serial killers exist, and that's what it's playing on where it's not just these things have happened, and they all live in their own little worlds, it's almost like a career path for some of these guys. And that's where the Scott Wilson character Eugene comes in him, and his wife are very kind and respectful people, even oh, he's a retired monster himself and they dig him out of sensory deprivation chamber. He's been down there for three days. And he's like, wow, he's been out there for the gets up. And it's just it's part of the rituals part of the training to be able to do, and they really break down a lot of these things and kind of put a little more thought into like, hey, if this is happening. Here's why it's a I've discovered it back when I was in college right around the. It came out as one of those things that was just at the video stores. Like, this looks interesting rennet for a dollar, and then it's become one of my one of my favorite horror films. Sinophile ESPN Twitter thoughts last one because dancing needs is you have to leave. What are you dressing up as for Halloween? You're thirty one year old man. What are you dressing up as for Halloween? I'm a thirty one year old man with three different costumes. I've done so far I've been Charlie Brown. I've been Matt Foley motivational speaker the Chris Farley care. By the river. And I've also got Rick Sanchez from Rick and Morty because my roommates dog is Morty. I'm rick. It's been two and a half years. Finally, just had to happen. The great Rick Passmore. Thank you, brother. All right. Thanks, so much Rik pass more indefens- Dan stands for every man of blue chips might go junior a guest review of Mandy. And of course, our special guest, Ben foster his film is called leave. No trace. I encourage you to check it out as we close here. I must give a big heartfelt. Thank you to Carlton. Gillespie who has been indispensable to us here at Sinophile is leaving ESPN but Willem Defoe Richard Jenkins. Michael imperial, Robin. Townsend Robert towns gives me Mary van people's among the gas. We only God because it Carlton who is fabulous town producer ESPN as mentioned is going to go on to bigger and better. But we cannot think of enough what he did for project so Carlton, you're the best man. Thank you so much. We'll see you next time on Sinophile reviews. I finally got Robert fort the first batch of screeners have arrived. So I got Robert forces film what they had is one of the first films. I I got in the batch. So I cannot wait to review that Hilary swank, Michael, Shannon, and Robert Forster in case you have a. The Robert Forster interview. I encourage you to check ups and follow our previous episode because Forster was an absolute beauty. And also we'll talk about in search of greatness, Ben lines executive producing that documentary. Hopefully will have the documentary gay Polski Willis until then I'll see you at the movies. Miss out on the next episode of Sinophile subscribe to the end for movie cast clicking the listen tab in the ESPN.

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Today's episode you know lately I've had a thing about bank robberies, and maybe it's because of my author mining storytelling perspective that I really enjoy newbies with the highest enjoy heat from the mid nineties with De, Niro and Pacino. It's one of my favorite movies. Lately I've come to like the town. A little bit better worn more. I keep rewatching it because it just gets better I think. Love Jeremy Renner in that by the way is awesome. But you know what? The movie version bank robbery versus a real life version. They just don't mash now. There's no deniro getaway with ten MIL. said on Apollo cash an island somewhere. There's no Ben Affleck moving to Florida. Wayne for his his love to find him just doesn't work like that. Real life is much different. Real life has video everywhere. There's a video recorder everywhere. You pull into. Any kind of parking lot. You're on video your HD. HDTV And so. There's facebook. There's all sorts of things to. Really kind of ruin your day. If you're into doing this sort of thing, so in today's episode, I kind of fascinated by stories I I've. Read and I am citing heavy dot, com and links because this is of pending investigation. The person has been accused of it. The person's been arrested. There's an FBI investigation and it's. For Bank, robbery of two small banks and Smaller, towns of Tulsa Oklahoma. Interestingly Enough There is a fire captain who is accused of these two robberies. I didn't say firemen. I said fire captain, so this guy's like the CEO of the Fire Department. It's a pretty big deal. You know seventeen years and service trusted. Individual yet. Another person in uniform. WHO's been. Accused of something. Seen that before? and. You know one of the things I want to talk about here is. A little bit about the crime itself and tied into something else to not learn how to big robbery better, but you know how how these things unwind themselves. So Stick with me and You know if you've got any points on this you can certainly leave me a message. I'll give me a comment something like that. And You know maybe use it in the future because I do have some compelling persons of interest coming up on interviews, and we'll get more and more into it, so really lot. These crimes from you know true crime. Arena is Motorola motivated by financial gain so. Covered it before where? You. Know Life Insurance Policy on the husband, and the clock starts ticking as soon as those policy payments are made. Every month. Gets closer and closer to the Hubby. Being taken out by the doting wife or something like that But in this case it is financial gain and bank robbery. Is Hey I need. Quick Cash and You know this is the best way to get cash money and so. He got away with three hundred thousand dollars to small banks and. Just a lot of money for like small town Oklahoma Golota cash there. And how they? If they've recovered it how that works, but A LOT OF LOOT Lot more than I seen typical robberies. But you know what he'd get caught and. If he? Maybe would have thought about this differently, maybe if it were a movie. Deniro or AFLAC in the role, maybe who had gone to another state across state lines or something like that? It's a federal offense. Regardless. You know it's you do it in your own backyard for banks federal you cross state lines as federal. and. If he would thought about that a little bit more. Maybe he would have gone away with it because he or be still on the Lam because he covered himself up. Really good were glasses he was. Like he was really intimidating but he happened to be in one of the banks where I believe had an account, or they knew him or had seen his face before. And you know what in small town Oklahoma after everybody knows everybody. Even if there's a couple hundred thousand people there, it's just small town stuff. So I. Think that's one of the ways that he got now because. They're saying that people that worked in the bank recognized him by. Not by any facial features or something like that her hair, but by his gate the way in he walked. It was very familiar to them, and you know what I don't think he thought about that. People are really perceptive. They might not say it, but they sense things and they. They don't express it, but they know itself if he were in a place where he was familiar with and maybe an account there. But he was there. They remembered him by the size because real big dude. In the way that he walked, believe it or not. And then there's the facebook stuff where there's pictures. Pictures of the car and so forth in the Thai. Thai two and two together to. NAB The individual, who was a fire captain? I mean the C O of the Var Department. It's amazing. You know a trusted man in uniform. And you know who knows the motives behind it as far as you know wanting. You know such a pile of cash, but there's probably some debts to be paid. And La Times with these bank robberies seat of the money that they give away, or they hand out, not giveaway, but handout in these things are traceable, and if they're used somewhere else there could be. They're gonNA pop up so. Just. It's not like the movies. It's not like Deniro is doing this and planning it for a year and then pulls it off this impulsiveness. And You know that one little thing I believe got caught now looking at another kiss I. Talked about recently which I think of as. In my movie title mind the curious case of Anthony Garcia. Who? What some time ago on, not didn't rather vague, but he. Was At Bank of America, but jacked the. Armored car driver for the money going to the bank and he had planned it. He had an escape route through the woods he was. They call them like the the Dr Tuber because he was like Using. Lines and stuff and crossing the river and All the stuff like in the Washington area in the Pacific northwest. As Lot nicknames, he did all this planning. He is really smart. Guy Really Smart Guy. And you know what historian does have a happy ending where he's, he's out there, talking to people and You know really kind of put to put it behind him in a way. Try to turn a negative into a positive, and they're probably GONNA. Being I would say that that'd be movie version for for that guy. But he planned it and one little thing got him caught, and who would have thought that? A homeless person who was in the woods, basically or around the bank had noticed assess assess. Active What's the word someone who is suspicious suspected suspicious individual. who was basically doing like a trial run and he noticed that many wrote down his license plate for some reason he did that. For some reason, so the homeless guy was in on getting this guy caught by giving the cops, the the plate number to the to his vehicle. Who would have thunk that? WHO'D A thunk? That and I'm sure in this case, the fire captain, who's behind bars right now? According to heavy dot com analog the calls out there I. don't name names in this one, because this is pending investigation, but I'm sure he's like kicking himself in. Why did I go to the bank? That had an accountant they they keep me because I knew how I walked. They recognize that and a guy was dressed head to toe dark clothing. Big Guy recognizes build in the way that he walked one little thing. So. That's real life, thus real life. And that leads to capture, and that's why crime doesn't pay. It does pay if you're in the movies. you know if you're the? If you're the good bad guy, you're going to get away with it. Somehow you know if you've got redemptive qualities, even though you're stealing something. Works out in the end. They're usually. But in real life, it doesn't so. From the bank robbery, another interesting thing I want to point out is that. Because of. This happened like in March. Okay, so we got us the coronavirus deal like mid March, and then going into where we are today, so we've been dealing with this for about two months. My question is how many more bank robberies are going to occur because of the. BS that we're having to deal with and all the stuff with. You know protecting herself from an invisible killer whether it's happening or not, it's hard to tell but people. Who are. Unemployed. People that maybe A. Twenty five percent unemployment now or something like that I don't know. But. How many more of these are going to happen because the current situation? How many more people are going to be going to banks because now they're walking around in mass. How scary is that? I had my bank the other day, and I had like a scarf and I had to pull it up and I'm like this just does not feel right. I'm withdrawing money. I'm carrying over my Carta withdraw money or deposit money. It's my. It's my Bank I. Feel like I'm like a dangerous individual sell. All this stuff's going on. People are wearing master dressed up like Bain. From Batman? It's just it just craziness. The banks are open. So how many more are we going to see? How many more episodes can I do? while. I don't necessarily. Like doing 'em interested in for my author, mind than the story perspective, but I certainly don't like to see him. But. I don't know. What do you think about that? And you know when it comes to your story. What do you think about your story? What's a compelling piece of your story that you can get into? When somebody wants to know about whether you're speaking in public to A. Lot of people are one on one rather than going out it. Chronologically. and. Born people with it 'cause Latinos. We we tune out. How can you get there and had be compelling? Well as I've talked about a lot of my up, says I. I M An author and I've invested in a lot of story with my novels and so forth. And I think the best way is to follow like the hero's journey. You, know La Times. These heroes are messed up people and there's redemptive qualities. There's a there's a transformation at the end so when you are getting into your story. If you've lived long enough, you definitely have a hero's journey to to tell. Don't tell chronologically Rickman. Go in there and I person talking about. The moment and talking about in first person as if it's happening right then and there as you're telling it, give it a flash like a preview. About your story and then time will stop. Time will stop in that moment, and that's the way to get into your heroes. Story. Whether something usually here's during something bad happened. Something bad happened. There was a mistake. There's a pit to fall into crawl out of it. There's a mentor there. You always think that you gotta figure out. And then there's transformation way way way down the end. But when you're telling, go into that first person. First person and bring the listener there and I hope that you can give that out of my podcast to you because when I am talking about these stories these. This is why we see them on movies. We see a lot of bank robbery. Who is one of my? Favorite ones recently and Iraq. Messina's the old man, the gun, old man and the gun. With Robert Redford. Man Robert Redford. Charles Robert Redford by the way. And Love that maybe, and and as as much as he tried to ruin the movie. Casey Affleck could not do it. He could not win that movie. He tried so hard. Just my opinion. But it makes for great storytelling sell. Good bad guy, such a good bad guy that maybe. So whether you're stores, good or whether it's bad. There's there's probably a little bit of both. And in that moment that pivotal moment! Where you WanNa, talk about that that. The door slamming because you're a behind bars for some unknown reason or somebody left you or Somebody died or something like that. That pit moment. Go there in the first person if you can. Keep a flash give a trailer of IT and the people listening to trust me time. We'll stop a great way to get into it whether you're speaking in public or one on one. Don't tell Qarah logically try not to curate your highlights. people tune out, and they do it more and more and more so I hope that helps you. In listening to what I've gotta say, and some of my experience. And hope come back and I'm going to have more stories for you and some interviews coming up as well so check me out some youtube. I will see you next time. This is your story or your life podcast. Sign out now. How could by?

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THE OLD MAN AND THE GUN - Double Toasted Audio Review

Double Toasted

19:32 min | 2 years ago

THE OLD MAN AND THE GUN - Double Toasted Audio Review

"Undo this last movie real quick sandwich time ago left somebody be real quick. Oh man. The gun Robert Redford. You know, some people dictate to alcohol. Some people dictate to cocaine. Those people dictate the sex video games. This, the only full knows addiction to Robin banks Bank. Is it is an old man. He cannot stop robbing banks, no matter how no matter what the stakes on, how much good is thrown his life. But the thing is many, so good at it. I think I saw a trailer for this. This is interesting. Interesting. Is you say he's good at it, but you went to prison a bunch. But you know, he loved Robert. Thanks so much. I was broke out to do it again. He loved robbing banks almost almost as much loved breaking out of prison. Yeah, they say, is this based on a true story where they just joke in the movie? No, it is based on a true story. I looked it up. Okay. I was hoping you have time to link. There was something about it that threw me off because he's saying his name was forced Tucker, and it really is the real guys name, but there was an actor famous actor call force talk. He was all true so time, and it's moving kept saying, I'm Forrest Tucker. I was like, is this a guy like like he lost his acting gigs and just start a robbing banks? I just thought it was one of those things where he just took an actor's name. He was using alias. But in this. We have Robert Redford as forest wasn't enforced, talk Forrest Tucker in Texas Bank, but he's been all around and he finally meets a woman Sissy space, and you'd think maybe this'll be the thing that a turn his life around. Let's go ahead and take a look at the trailer, and then we'll be back with our review. Tournus. Marred, we'll be back. With our. We'll be back with our review goddamn. You know. Hit the button man. Said his trailer shit. Excuse me, that works some health. Let me take a look. You know anything about cars. No, really? So what did she say, Jim, let's see her. Is that because if I told you probably wouldn't wanna see me who said I was going to see you again. Would you. Let's say it was a bake and sit that counter up there that was really a teller's window and you just walk in real calm. So you walk right up, look her in the eye and you say, ma'am, this is a robbery, and you show her the gun like this and he saved. We want you to get hurt because I like you. I like you a lot, so don't go breaking Myron. Okay. Yes. Great. What type of account. This guy. He said he was armed. They had a gun, you saw? Well, he was also started gentlemen. He's very polite. He seemed like a nice enough l. is he smile. State Senate three robberies in two years. He thinks he can catch. I'd love is love cups on myself chance. I, the city and baby another town, spend his whole life locked up set for the times that he broke out. Well, you find something love. Follow and exactly where supposed to be. You're never. Tackling hosted. They are now whenever close the door. I think this is the last time I'll ever have chance to do whatever that thing was. The door closes out the window. Live in his gamble baby ovens, much the same. Wherever sat down the points. Surely there's an easier way to make a living. Hey, look, I'm not talking about making a living. I'm just talking about living. Know I was looking at the director for this and let me go in find his name in. I finally saw some of the projects that he that he's done. And was looking at some of the things because I recognize that name. His name is David. Larry actually looks like a real Bank robber. Like old western bankrupt. Got that Bill. Cool. But he did Pete's dragon, right? But he also did that movie of go story, which would probably explain why. Yeah, yeah. No, you didn't like that move. Casey Affleck was in that movie, right? It's a, it's it's a, it's a, it's a sort of an experimental movie in a way it's think of it as a as a homeless hunted house movie a homeless spook house movie, like what does it goes down? That was very funny, but also. You'll be seen. Now, you know some movie about not not everybody would like this film, but it's a movie about a what a ghost would do it in. Have any house to hunt kind of goes through time aimlessly in the Charlie Brown Halloween. But you know what I like about peace dragon. This in the movie that he made. It goes to show that this is a guy who really doubled appears to me love all aspects of film, making sure because every move that he makes seems to take a different tone seems to take a different autistic direction. And with this, this is slash between like sort of a late sixties, early seventies crime caper, but also like an old old fashioned romance too. They see. Like I think he intentionally tried to make the movie grainy excuse me, tried to make the movie grainy to make it look like like an old film even with the logo that they had the beginning of the trail. You could see they did an old fashioned way face and everything for the cast and everything. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's almost like a modern day. Bush cat put. Butch Cassidy what happened? If he grew up and found a time machine. Yeah. Still constrained, but. No, he's making a movie that you hardly see anybody do, which is a love story about seniors, older people and tell you something man him and says he space together. They have great chemistry. I mean, they, you know to to veterans been around for a while. It's almost like you're watching them for real. Yeah. Yeah. You plan characters just the two of them. Yeah, it's kind of movie. They make old yourself to you and all that tendentious fucking and all that kind of these people get together and they court? Yeah, they cord nice to see they have. They flirt old-fashioned way. You know, he's a gentleman about it the whole time, and I'm telling you man the way to watch these two pros flirt with each other. I don't care whole. You'd think the kind of makes them more attractive almost like flirting with you. That's how good they are. So it'd be worse if this attorney, the truth. Proven. You want me to prove it. Will you do if I can't. And we'll walk out that door. Lay you fucking mix. Robert Redford is play anyway. You know, I mean this guy, but you know, he's from that old school where he's got, he's not. He's not a player, whereas, like, you know, I'm a pimp and play. I'm like, I'm I am old school leading man. Oh yeah. I mean, during the seventies he was the icon of the good looking leading man in Hollywood. And he brings that that old fashioned leading Manson's ability to what we have right here and with that again, that brings a lot to these people's love story to where you want to root for them. But the funny thing is, is that why you rooting at the Saint this is really cool about the found why you ruined for him. To get with the woman maybe to go clean. I'm I hate to say it, but I would just kind of like, yeah, but I'm rooting for you to stay in the game, you know, robbing banks because he's way too good at right. Like even like he treats rob a Bank like he does courting woman like he's like the reason why. I think a lot of times he gets away with these because people don't want him to get caught like get scared. People are frightened of them. They don't wanna be robbed, you know, but at the same time like, but he was, he was. So he was so sweet. He was such a nice guy like he has a way of doing a robbery and making it seem like a Sunday just gonna happen to you anyway, and I'm gonna make it easy for you as possible. Don't like this hour, but that's what he does. He comes in, he's like, hey, you know what? Don't worry about it this your first time. It's with me and you got an unwary about next time you you'd be okay. When you go through. Like off a real. Oh. Oh, cry. Where do you cry for. There's always a first time. Perfect. Fuck you. Oh, make it any better? But there's there's something where this movie just knows what it's doing from just an artistic aesthetic point of view because everything works so well together, everything is everything from the sets, the clothes, every detail of what they wanna do. Not only lends itself to the time period, which is actually feels like an eighties movies, early seventies early eighties fail and. You know, it's a something where everything works well together, even with the soundtrack they had the jazz they got going on. It's just it. It really does put you in a good mood. And there are so many good scenes in here to between not only him and says he space, but Casey Affleck. You know this, this is a Bank of something like a catch me. If you can sure where it was Tom Hanks trying to chase his real charismatic con man in a way you want the Congo to get away. You've got the same thing going where it right here, where is turned into not just a to rob banks, but a love the chase to and to the point where this guy skirting would danger, you get a great glimpse of his personality at them putting too much out that you see, this guy has he has. He's he's almost like a an adrenaline junkie, right? Because there's not a lot of reason for him to keep doing except he just still he wants to do it. No, no. And like, you know, with the between the film, making the great characterizations and the fun without having to seem like allowed movie would I haven't seen like a really fast paced movie. There really is a fun cat and mouse aspect of this that makes movie like this. What is like I said, crime caper and a love story probably make some more job at Washington should be. It's going to be a small movie, not a lot of people are gonna see this and you and I was also impressed with people that's now that's Denzel Washington. It's one of the complaints I have like they put this man to move and they didn't do shit. Sure. His name realize he was there. I didn't. Realize until I just ridic a look. And he said something s it sounds like Denzel son that is him. He's not utilize too much, but between a. Danny Glover and also Tom awaits they form the rest of his crew. I was like, man, you know everybody. There's a strain that this is such a low key film because everybody subtly is doing a great job with this thing about the movies that it's so subtle than is almost quietly just going just come and go itself. I don't know if this is Robert Rapids last movie, but if it is even a lot of people don't see it. I think it's a great last film for him. It's like a throwback to him in his leading mandates, almost love letter to his leading man days of back in the day. But in a way of just quietly exiting that, if he truly is retiring, he says, yeah, it's definitely a letter to him his career because it's supposed to be his last movie that last thing he shot when ever going to and it, you know, they even pull out old pictures of him to show him as a Bank robber from all these different times even took some old footage that they'd even try to cut it. They did. They obviously from an from another movie trying to then try to far Gump. That I've seen this. Almost like it's his retirement party. And these other actors showed showed up to to wish him well and well, we gotta scrip if you guys, oh, mind, can we just shoot a little something right and get this in here and and yeah, it's it's, you know, he's a, he's a sweet. He's a charismatic sweet guy. It's a sweet film is just too sweet for me. I honestly everything you said you're not wrong. I wouldn't disagree with any of it, but I didn't really like this movie. I found it. I found it too sweet and soft. It's almost like come on guys. It's for Grandpa's giving one less nice time before we, we put him to bed and. William to the home. We're going to give him one last time. Other seems him in Sissy space, Eckerd. Great. Those are what I liked seeing the the old people act together and in court as you said everything else about it. I was like, man, this tired trope of the of the polite Bank robber. The fun, loving, criminal kind of old. And I actually, I actually makes me mad because I'm like, yeah, you're, you're romanticizing this, but it's not cool for everybody else is great for him because he's doing it with a smile. Everybody else around the resource. They're going to catch him. The people who get rob, they show them as going like, oh, it was great getting rob. I know it's not real life. These people probably like, yeah, it really kinda fucked up my day. Did you have you been robbed by him? But. Dan, that's the fist Robin. Try. The movie, it just felt really small and cheap. I, it felt so much to me like a movie. I would see at Sundance film festival, this film festival movie. It almost felt like a YouTube movie that just had that that cheap grain well done YouTube movie, but still felt rates, small and cheap, and kind of plot along in a way that was man. Can you pick this up? Do something new or give me a little bit more character development of any somebody other people besides him. I just I didn't seem you to movies. This is this is far from YouTube movie. I'll give it a small film, but you know not a YouTube. I thought about Clinton's grand jury know where that's his last movie and outside of his good performance in it. The movie feels like a student film almost like if you went to the clinics ranch arena. Yeah, about the movie. Like other people were all the stuff in him is great, but then you have the story around it all the other actors and even the way it's shot, it's as if he had an acting school and that was somebody's final exam and he was okay, you did such a great job. I'll be in your movie and this reminded me of that. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's honestly, I just thought it's it's a nice little sweet movie little too much for me. It was a rental. All right. Well, it's like we don't up saying that one right there because I actually do it very much. Like I said, it was a lot of thought that goes into this. I mean, it's almost like. Potentially wanted to like. Appear to be a small movie, but there's so much. There's a lot more Richard things going on that. I think that that I feel. And where you say to sweet for you, that's one of the things I enjoyed about it. I, I really did enjoy. Yeah. I mean, of course, I don't think they tried to make him be look like a guy. Don't. They tried to like, say that this guy was anybody that you should actually even like, but any way to do. You know, I think, no, I think he comes across that way, but I think the movie sits back and says, you've made the decision if you want to be seduced by his charm tonight, you know, the guy's a Bank robber and they and they clearly said this motherfucker has a problem. They don't try to hide it. In fact, they show him. That's definitely been some guy who self destructive. So again, that's what I thought it was a movie where it said subtly that we're not trying to make this guy a hero. If you see him as hero, then you've been drawn into him, but this guy. Yeah, he's, he's still a criminal. I'm like it because they shot this not too far. Yeah. I know I saw that that Bank from Waco. Yeah. Did you see? Let me see the actually put it in put in the trailer damn either. Way? Is it gonna? It. Get people it was. I didn't think they would have. What the hell sneaked ghost was a big ghost about, oh, there it is. This is this is a part of it is shot like five minutes away from my home in Waco. In fact, that luby's right over there. Right, right. Yeah, it is. My mother's always going to picking a shift from that luby's. Over there right now. Lou. Baby, you never rob me. Why. I gave me food. We head. I'll be darling. I gave you coming by lady might wanna lead ahead. Yeah, yes. I give it full price. Man. I like I like to love what type of account the have in mind. This kind. He said he was, he had a gun, you saw? Well, it was also of gentlemen. Very polite. He seemed like a nice defense. Is he smile.

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Bullet Points | Podcasts & Audiobooks

The Emma Guns Show

18:14 min | 4 months ago

Bullet Points | Podcasts & Audiobooks

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Class for you, I've been delving into the lifestyle classes and I'm really enjoying choose must ten hands on exercises to find basilio passion by artists author Luna if you want to pursue a passion on entirely sure what that looks or feels like the misclass-. which cooks in at under an hour gives you the tools to identify it and move forward members of skill share get unlimited access to thousands of inspiring classes with hands on projects and feedback from a community of millions and that community of network of like minded creatives who can offer encouragement, communication and inspiration. Explore your creativity and get two free months of premium membership at skill share dot com forward slash Emma guns. That's two homes of unlimited access to thousands of classes. Four furry going to skill share dot com forward slash Emma guns. And welcome to episode of Amazon. Show I do hope that you are all very well indeed. So in this bullet-point episode, I'm going to focus on something I've been quite a bit recently actually. When I went into the facebook this morning, which the thing I tend to do when I wake up I think is going to the facebook group. See what's been happening. See what compensations being had eccentric CETERA. and. This question came up, but it's something I've been off diem a lot on Instagram, and so I thought well, you know what I'm going to do an episode on and it's about the podcast that I'm currently listening to. And the people you've already messaged I've said, I've done quite a few episodes on this may last year December two, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, nine, did I definitely covered this as well but. Things. Change I've talked about my favorite pocos as I said a few times but a series end and as I make new discoveries, the list really does change all the time. So I thought I would update you on the shows that have been keeping me company lately, and I suppose lockdown has opened up my podcast library somewhat because you can only watch so much TV you gonNa we'd say much. And I quite like silence but I also. Really like every now and again I'll sudden I'll be in perfect pitch silence and in the nothing ooh I found see something and it might be music or it might be having the TV on in the background but more often than not recently really has been So, and I've been looking for different types of Picasso. My first one is the one that really kind of fills that gap where it's entertainment but it's journalistic and you come out of it feeding that you would learn something from the experience and it's daughter Pardons America, and this series was first published back in October two thousand and nineteen and I think I only listen to it On the cusp of as we were going into lockdown I think I discovered it. And it's a good ten twelve episodes. I've not forgotten because I. It's in my recent but. It's a really well constructed and fascinating deep dive into the woman that is Dolly Parton, and I've always been a huge, Dolly Parton fan in the sense I've just I think you're just born finding Dolly to be familiar kind and safe, and then in an amongst all of that, there's her incredible story telling her incredible songwriting and the way she can articulate a commonly felt emotion in a way that is universally understandable is just wonderful. I've been lucky enough to see her in concert a couple of times, and the way she weaves a tale between songs. Playing Guitar or something just very gently the way she paints a picture and somehow speaks to every individual room really is individual in there really is something to behold and actually the first time we went to see her in concert. Are was. On the side of the stage, quite high up and I looked down and there was this little lady like head to Toe sequins standing behind the curtain and she must have been there a good ten minutes before the show started just patiently waiting for the curtain to lift of I was waving madly and she waved back. So she's obviously very very professional which they really appeal to me so. I of course, music and her songs have lyrics instantly memorable and indelible like I think anybody could listen to the first bar of Joe. Lean and. How. The rest of the song goes is just a real skill. And this series is a real journalistic deep dive and as well as looking at her career and her life. Then also interviews with Dolly has. I thoroughly enjoyed it and appreciated getting to understand Dolly. Because you can think that you know everything there is today, but there is so much more like the political of the south, our upbringing the fact that she stays really neutral and one of the sort of nuggets that started the interest in the journalist He created the series was the fact that you can go to a Dolly Parton concert and it can be the broadest cross section of society that you wouldn't necessarily think would all get together in the same room and everyone feels exactly. The same way, and that was kind of the starting point for what is it about bullies appeal that means that everybody loves her and I mean everybody you can have people in mega hats in the in the auditorium in the concert hall you can have people who are polar opposite to that and everyone's happy because Dole is there an entertaining them? So I really really loved. Am I wholeheartedly believe that Dolly is a living legend and someone to be admired and learn form and even. I will just say this before you tune in one thing I really hadn't ever thought about before is the Song Joe Lean I. Think most people know Is it's basically saying you can take my man, but I'm begging you not to. But if you listen to a lot of the country genre of those types of songs there, there were slightly more aggressive best slightly more combative. Maybe there's like a talk of a fight, but Dolly is just a completely different laconic and she talks a lot in the interviews that she does on the show about forgiveness and about love, and that's what I really take away from it as well as all of the other incredible incredible things to learn from an about Dolly. So that really does come with very high recommendation for me. So that's Dolly Parton America the second podcast and that's a series by the way. So that is a complete. Series, you get to the end of so it's not one that continues on like pause number two, which is race chaser with Alaska and Willem and misses the podcast that takes a good long look at reports dry grace broke through respectively by going they've gone all the way back to season one to the weekly episode to basically talk through each episode and also to cover the series currently airing like we pulled strike raise Canada, Canada's dragway whatever. You get all stars order that kind of thing is into drag race and in and amongst those shows episodes with limited lasker. Previous drag contestants talking about all sorts of things like current affairs and answering listener questions and I enjoy all the episodes because I walked reports, drag race and I really like Women Alaska and have since I watched them in their series of the show. They Women Alaska talking about the political landscape equality the recent black lives matter movement and other pertinent and very topical subjects have become something tune into weekly along with other news based shows to get my perspective on the world today and I really really appreciate this cost always very excited when a new episode POPs up in my feet and it would do them a real disservice to think that because the show centers around drag and drag race and hosted by professional working drag Queens that this is this. In any way minimizes that political discussions or what they bring to the table in terms of the current debate around lots of different issues. Willem in particular really knows his stuff and his very clued up but he will say if he's wrong and that's kind of the Nice thing about is the place where you can learn and also be corrected and is very it's a very nice way they've built the show and you may know even if you don't drag race because he was in a star is born. As the insanely beautiful blonde in the nightclub he flirted with Bradley keep his character and made him sign his fake boobs so That's just one of my favorites I absolutely love it. It's good energy. It's good fun most of the shows. Come in at just under an hour say for me they great from what I go on a long walk and I just really really highly recommend. I think they're really clever guys. Some of the some of the subject matter might be everybody. But Hey, I'm sure if you're listening to my show, you'll be able to handle it. The third podcast. Now, this next one is a bit of a Tufa meaning that you get to poke holes for the price of one, and that's because it's one of those core series that covers one topic in one series then changed its name and its visual when it takes on another topic in the next so. I'm currently listening to you series to which focused on the killing of Jon Benet Ramsey it's not the most comfortable of listening at times because it sends around the death of six-year-old Pageant Queen on Christmas Day in one thousand nine. And the mystery that surrounded the case episodes. Things like the fact that they were run some notes disrupted crime scenes. Things that just didn't add up and it's remained really has remained a mystery. There's never been a definitive. Answer. But this series of really good job at laying out all of the evidence that's available. And say it was one of the Po- cost was I believe twelve episodes was the killing of Marilyn Monroe, which is really George to listen to if you've ever been fascinated by Maryland and thought that you knew a lot of what there was to know about having get ready to be absolutely floored by what you hear and really to open up into that world because there's so much more to it than I. Ever really realized I knew that I was like conspiracy. Theories and things, but I really didn't understand what you come to understand about the woman herself from the show and again forensic detail. Incredible I passionate counts and previously unseen and unheard information about one of the most iconic women in history and it's not gory or necessary, but it's really interesting and again, really well constructed and it's really hard not to kindle twelve episodes in one setting. So that's a really if you want series if you want to get into a story. There really well told I think that's a really great one to get into. So that was my to and podcast for that, I really enjoy. But in Very Jealous Armchair expert with DOC shepherd and it's a great listens ducks I'm sure you know he's an actor and in many Immedi mini TV series and because of that I guess he has great access to people in Hollywood and show business and guess who usually household names like if you look at the Fiji, we recognize the majority of the names which makes tuning into the compensation. Even more enticing because you feel like that to colleagues essentially pays teammate potentially having a chat. And Dax tries in this show to unpick what makes people take allows people the space to tell their stories and you get a sense that if you met docks at a party, he would be the person really listen ask questions and make you feel like you with the only two people in the room I think is really an interesting and beautiful skill and I actually found his episode with Casey Affleck Really Interesting I wasn't inclined to listen to that when I I saw it crop up in my fade because there are some crappy stories out there about Casey which are well-documented so I can't go into detail here but. I decided to listen and found it really entertaining and they got to the end of the show which was interesting enough without addressing any of the headlines that had been circulating about Casey. and. Then they actually said, they finish this show they turned off the recording equipment and then there's like a tiny little break and then they turn it back on and say, Hey, listen this is something that we didn't do because we were sort of skirting around it. We didn't talk about X. Y. and they go into it and I was really interested in that particular section and what Casey had to say and how he said it. So again, so many brilliant people on that particular costs there is really worth and again they usually around an hour long maybe but longer. That they're really good deep dives into people who you may or may not already think he know quite a little bit about. So they really interesting conversations index were the. Helms that Poku speech play, and then finally my final weekly listen is the Sunday sit down with Willie geist and I've mentioned this before it really is a wonderful show to listen to. So Willy guys does a news anchor in the US and his guest list is the thing of dreams. Well, it is to this podcast. So every time I see a new episode I am. Delighted because I think, Oh, I can't wait to listen to that but I'm also extremely jealous something. I wish I could get that version on my show what I wouldn't give to have insert famous persons aim here on my podcast and to give you a sense recently he's had Viola Davis J Jalen whole Chris, Evans Samuel Jackson and Tiffany Haddish, and every episode is so so in. The average run time is probably around forty to forty five minutes. So they are very manageable shows and Willie is able to get very very in depth revealing chats out of his guests in under an hour which I really appreciate and I remember another Poe cost and I have to say I think it might have been Tim Ferriss. You don't get to the meat of personal the story especially, if you're meeting someone for the first time until around an hour in and that's always stock in the back of my mind. So even when I'm doing a podcast when I get to an hour I, think okay I haven't excreted out. We've overseas we've got some here. And Willie obviously knows quite a few of his guests through his other work but they clearly trust him and they clearly feel very comfortable with him which you can feel when you tune in I feel particularly when you've got big names like Jake Gyllenhaal and via the Davis. They are so media trained that you kind of know the second day, an interview stocks you kind of know whether you're going to get the PR version with you're going to get the real human and I feel that what really is able to achieve that you get the real human? So I think those are well those conversations well worth tuning into and go live on a Sunday. So they great to catch up on a Sunday night. When if like me, that's when you do your manicure pedicure or a Monday morning if. That's how he likes to wake up and start the week. So they all my newbies but I still listening to Joe Rogan listen to all of his episodes. But when there's a guest I'm not really into anime. So they all lost on me but I find some of his conversations really fascinating and James Alter regularly I listened to that so much and actually at the beginning of lockdown, it was something tuned into a lot because he had what I consider to be the best resources in terms of understanding what was going on with covid nineteen, but also staying calm and not getting caught up in nonsense. So if Ame- James Alphonsus altitudes show the came a really Solid safe resource and I. Really like it I just think he does great interviews as well. I think he's fascinating and also I really can't. It's not a podcast, but it is something that I'm listening to at the moment in my ears right now is Demi Moore's autobiography Demos. And Wow just how I was hooked in the first five minute is well worth your attention. It's about a six and a half hour seven hours an admittedly I'm only two hours in but I have been riveted and we haven't even got to her career yet this childhood and her first marriage, and that can sometimes be those can sometimes be the weeds that you have to wade through to get to. The good stuff when reading celebrity broker vay but this is really fascinating and really interesting and it's just made me really like like her very much. So I will put them all of those in the show notes and I thank you so much for joining me if you want to join the facebook group then why not? Why not start a threat in there about the podcast that you like and we? Can Start talking about other audiobooks? 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Good Will Hunting with Ayo Edebiri

The Bechdel Cast

1:16:01 hr | 1 year ago

Good Will Hunting with Ayo Edebiri

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I don't think i can actually do a boston accent very well. I ended up doing newsies thing every time i try. I do it but you know. I think that with this episode because like there's maybe one person doing in boston accent that makes any sense in this movie i this is the bechtel casts casts yeah. What what is the test kit was the fucking bill cash a fucking tell you is where to broads. Talk about broads inflicts prods in affleck. Gotta talk about something. That's not a do. I know at the fucking the the victim says this broad battle over this fucking fucking rules women their roles right right luck okay so here's a half is they have to broad but there have names talk to each other because they won't stop talking about some of the other than their fucking husband kind of sounds stupid. Sify fucking hated that. This is my favorite this is my favorite is annoying one today. This could be the worst one <hes>. Let's do an example of how something might pass bechtel tests alone voice somerville. You sound like that lady on spongebob shortly jamie amy this is us passing. The test was up kaley <hes>. Do you like apples. How do you like them apples. Oh my oh my god. That was an incoherent light oscar winning writers. I feel i absolutely sick thinking about i. I'm so excited for this episode yes anyway you know what the podcast yeah we talk about the representation of women in movies and today's movie oh okay oh boy fucking after no one is requested this movie literally ever. You didn't ask for it here it is they are episode on goodwill hunting. That's right to join us in our discussion. We've got a very funny standup. Comic and writer jammed boston and she's from boston in iowa debris <hes> pleasure friend into the whole fucking taught in boston you from ever dot rat from dorchester. Oh oh yeah real shit. I'm third generation brockton ian. Oh yeah everyone's everyone's <hes> we're still out there in brockton on the southside newest bridge while we don't try they suck go to eastern east. They got they got a lot to heroin. They're go there. Go brockton is he's not good. It doesn't have the best reputation but they say it in the dubai once they do and we let people forget it. It's also in. What's found may be gone yeah which i watched the other night because i'm sick. That is a very strange way too yeah. No it's also it's like not representative representative of anything i've ever experienced. You're really most movies about the area. We're from do not represent anything. I've ever seen happen and this. This is maybe the most famous one <hes> right like. It's like an end to the national melissa huge. I didn't realize that i mean that was like one of those places. When my surely they have to have these everywhere everywhere yeah. I mean even another food yeah sure their food tastes like fucking chemicals. <hes> i don't care i like made to be in hospitals. I feel like it's made to be like when you're like grieving like like the fact that like your closest family members probably gonna pass away in days. You don't want your best meal man but it's like you gotta go down to the hospital little lobby you take a right and there's the odd on pen next to the flowers yeah i like to i like to get a huge little broccoli jetta soup and and yeah just like pour it down my throat never six-day-old lukewarm clam chowder get an ice bucket film the film on put the film on my face like a face mask. Then i get a nice funnel right down the gullet or the soup down the hall itself the fucking alive and i looked at so there's all all bunk pong over representation we got pete's coffee and of course we got dunks so much dunkin donuts boston so there's just a piece. That's like there wasn't harvard square right. That was the only one i was familiar. Millea am in brockton juicer in at least the year. I graduated high school. There were over fifty dunkin donuts which is a uh <hes> ally i mean it's a pretty big city. It's there is like <hes> like one hundred twenty thousand people who live there but there's no need for fifty dunkin donuts but none of them are ever going to go out of this uh-huh truly. I think like in dorchester every three blocks. There's a dunkin donuts like truly it's illegal to be driving for more than ten minutes and not have dunkin donuts in ten minutes circle radius i had my first friend is exhausting to go driving to yeah. I mean i i. There's fortunately one around here that was i do. I whenever i get homesick because i got my mom gave me the sex talk in the parking lot of in duggan donuts and then she also interrogated my first boyfriend after he broke up with me in a dunkin donuts so you know ah milestone yes texture. There's layers so google hunting. Yes nineteen ninety-seven movie that was nominated and won oscars yeah. What is your history movie well. I we texted a little about what movie to pick because i was i was having i china was spoiled for choice in so many ways movies. There's a lot of them and then i just wouldn't be really fun. We <hes> not realizing after that. There is one woman care. I guess i just forgot that part. A lot of movies become in many yeah. I just feel like it was always on like t._b._s. Or something like i just feel like it was like always on around but i feel like i really always on unsightly off. That's it on that. I've you like like when i got to college. Weirdly it was something that i would watch when when i was homesick even though none of it was real like alan of it was real or true to my life or my experiences or the people that i knew or cared about or the neighborhoods that i was in but just because you grew up very close to where everything is haven't really pretty cl- closer answered in iowa yeah no for sure there from southie though but there are like neighborhoods i obviously recognize but also bosses very like <hes> racist. Eh trying to find the right tom but it's like geographically like very very split up and so it's like i think not you're. You're not really going to go into neighborhoods where it's like. It's not people who look like you are people. Who are your friends so i was never really like hanging out in like southie or like like west st which is where strokes or you know or like certain allston or whatever like i wasn't really like hanging out there but attorney get shadow on by my school graduating class listening to this podcast but yeah i don't know but like really is something that i watched watched a lot what i like it. Just gets chilly and i want to see fall leaves drift in the com or whatever yeah mine was. Mine is kinda similar like i think i i don't remember the first time i've seen it says needed a bunch. You know i've seen it in chunks punch. I've definitely started it and not finished abundance hundreds of times yeah like i forgot about the i forgot. Minnie driver was in this until you constantly mixed up her andie in andy mcdowell which is sort of my own personal journey that i need to be working on in terms of how i support white women but i i would like always makes them up and only very recently like way too recently. I realized like oh. These are very different women. There's almost no overlap overlap. They look quite so. Thank god allows you know. They look like they're both like demille like like fake faked him. You're right yeah. I'd seen this movie a bunch. It's like i feel like it is kind of like a lot of people's introduction to two boston has an idea idea and then there's so many there's so many movies that you can see like kind of pulled direct influence of like oh. We're just never going to set a movie that isn't at harvard harvard or in southie. Yes and it's pretty much been the case to this day. Because you've got your social network i twenty minutes and then you've got the town that a potted got it. You got <hes> maybe gone boondock saints smell f- most recently l. mom yeah and then oh i there's i mean everything that happened. In boston happens in exactly two neighborhoods hurt nuts it well. That's also like a very much like my experience as as a black person from boston when i leave and people are like you got the fucking accent and i'm like well. No nobody talks like that. Actually it's like it's fully dying accent. It is and the only people who talk like that are people young. People don't even really talk like that even if you're like from south the the unless unless you're like a little bit more i think like western mass my mom i'm from southern mass and my mom has a very thick accent but there's i feel like most people our are age or at it definitely in brockton we would actively untrained ourselves from having yet entirely. I've was by then. I don't know maybe this is partially because of like good will hunting in that ripple effect but i remember being aware pretty young that it was an embarrassing. Yes yes yes new. It's like fully like c._a. See in socially by society is very ugly accent. Yeah and it's not wrong. That's yet comforting to hear like hints of it moist but yes. I feel by like second grade even like i remember hearing my mom talk out loud to another parent having like yeah yeah we can't. I can't believe that can't be my laugh. Caitlyn wants your history with this movie my history i saw so it came ninety seven or ninety eight or some okay i i saw probably for the first time in high school so i'm guessing like two thousand three and then i did not watch it again because i did not like the first time allows like this is not my type of movie a powerful to say i mean brave. Why isn't it your type of movie now. I like a good romp in this simply not around. What are you talking about. This is one of the houses around now is around it. He's rump in between his academic life man his personalized boys yeah. It's a lump of the soul spiritual. There's like rapport for students. There are parts of it that are robbie. I think there's even say that's like that are up seen rundown on could be cut movie would be different but we like it like was trying to say something political but it means. There's a so much it's like matt damon and ben affleck who if you didn't know wrote this movie <hes> <hes> there. There's so much like college freshmen like grandstanding <music> so many monologues and like one i was i got exhausted but then i found a second win win. That's what it does. It really does in our thought for me. It's crazy. It's like it's not the three extra pressure seven. Maybe ten acts of some of the eggs have nothing nothing to do with most of the movies and they they won't like why why is there scene where ben affleck and casey affleck talk about the jerk off into a baseball glove for like five minutes funny send help you now. It's okay to talk talk about so. Actually this is what i'm here. Actually why i'm on your podcast. I'm a sleeper agent for the men inist move and boys should be able to be boys noise and talk during it off and have fun locker room talk ra locker room there this is i think i my favorite favorite math movie. The mass substitutes would show <hes> include. This was a pretty good movie to turn on during a mass substitute stand and deliver i would say is to math movies beautiful mind. Hateful mine can suck it. Mommy loved the movie beautiful mind and really unlike in our kitchen kitchen. We had the like tiny tv that had just yeah the kitchen t._v. Then we decided like a global community or maybe just as the nation and that we would have that be a kitchen but it was way up on a top shelf because it was like well then when you're cooking or when you're sitting you can watch watch it sure so that made sense but it was impossible to change the tapes like they because it was so high up and me and my mom were both very very small imagine i'm even smaller because of a child fully imagine it so i would have to climb up on the table and then like hooked myself is this shell and it's sorta like fully nice core. You're waiting to come back down and then i would go back up and grab it out now and then go back out and pull it in. It's crazy. No one took me uniform. I got stuck up there for months months. Because i'm tired of like risking my life right different shitty movies out of view. Yes cinderella story. Was there for hot secto. That's i'm in prefer that it to a beautiful movie. I actually think over one hundred times you've been required. That's been requested a lot really the ones that i was at the back and forth every movie. They are stuck in the cash honestly yes. I'm just like what trauma can i work through on a podcast uh-huh and today it's boston. It's good will hunting. Should i do the recapping yeah sure yeah. All this movie is two hours long. It does feel so go. It's crazy that ship enough to bus and isn't fully in this movie. Oh i know it's it's in the department but i wish it wasn't every boston movie. It has this this movie of an aggressive soundtrack. It has the most gentle soundtrack in addition putting on pant on the matt elliott cons- every time any driver is onscreen business plane. Crash is being seen as like a connection. It's it's it's illegal. I don't know what i expect. I expected it to be like a very like bosnia and soundtrack but it's the opposite they dislike quiet. It depressed banned from portland is like strumming and they're like yeah. This sounds good okay. Here's the story uh of goodwill hunting which sounds to me like goodwill hunting. Not good will hunting anyway so we're in boston. There's yeah there's an mit professor named gerald lambeau that stellan skarsgard he puts this advanced ends to quesion on the chalkboard in the halls of m._i._t. Hoping that one of his students will solve it not at all distracting and unfortunately i can either confirm lord lyon's okay so he has this equation on the on the board. He's hoping one of his students will solve it by the end of the semester is a math boy. We meet will hunting dang. That's matt damon's character. He's a janitor at m._i._t. And he sees the equation he ponders it a bit and then he solves it. I think within the span of a couple couple hours yeah. This is like the most dangerous my like just that every like hot irrationally angry guys also secretly genius. I understand why this movie made so much money. Also being hot is justification. Anna genius is justification for being like on well yeah addict to everyone around him and yes yes uh so he solves it. The professor and the students are like oh my god who solved this. We don't know meanwhile now. We know we know who it is. Meanwhile will and his loser friends who played by ben affleck casey affleck and then some other dude who i don't. I don't know if he even talks at all guy z somebody they are hanging out there. They're disrespecting women. They're getting in fights and then we'll get arrested for starting a fight with someone who used to beat him up in kindergarten kindergarten kid guy and then yeah he he's mad. He's met the faculty at m._i._t. Puts another theorem on the board award and then two professors catch will solving this one too but he like runs away and he's like fuck you because they're like hey you stupid janitor. Get off the board yet forward. Quit graffiti ing our math homework where i have to suspend my disbelief because i'm like if like if there was a sexy janitor wandering the halls also of a college people would be noticing him so be wanting to know what an m._i._t. Was a vol sell before we even had for. That's true. I'm like i feel like someone would have been like who is sexy janitor sure. I think it was pre internet. Yeah that's true yeah. This movie was made in twenty nineteen hired and then you would have gone viral being hot cash tiny would've gone alledged show and then ellen would've been like i got you money and he would have been like who money and and then quickly doesn't occasion and elevated wait a minute. Are you gonna math and that's how the mood of the nucleus died of an overdose a year later. I think it's season two of american vandal. There's like a hot janitor and everyone talks about like everyone at the school knows about hot janitor so yeah yeah this is this is pre louise fucking done the movie ideas boston that sucks okay. He'll talk good about that killed so sorry okay so then in <hes> will and his friends go to the harvard by and then when they say the janis. I'm like never heard that in my lab will basically as a dick measuring contest but like with his brain with this harvard boy big brain flakes with a knowledge measuring contest. It impresses schuyler. That's minnie driver ever so much that she gives will hunting her number. I will say a guy who has a friend. That's a woman yes but who who is player it does she go and what is her name and does she say anything so he has his hearing from when he got arrested a few days previous and professor lambeau both he's. He's defending himself. He's like i don't like in my voice in the court of law and so professor lambeau who has figured out who will is at this point convinces the judge to let will go on two conditions one that will meets with this professor once a week to do math stuff and to that will see a therapist. I love that so they go to try to find linux therapist. Who's gonna work for will hunting but he's taking it seriously gay joke you the the montage that's too along so then a professor lambeau recruits his old college roommate sean maguire that is robin williams who does not know what accent he's supposed to be doing this lost he's here. He's supposed to be from sally. He's supposed to have this. You know he was a great actor. I don't really to love him. Yeah don't jump into my mentions about like oh dear. You don't want a dead man. I'm like i do that every day but very very but like why didn't he just try to do the accent that met day was doing. They're supposed to be from the same. I'll say i'll say this not. All all dialect coaches are made equal so we don't know what what is the scenes i mean he does some great shakespearean lengthy. Thank theme on allow good soliloquies his his wife. She is dead his wife. Yeah she is dead. Yes we know what we learned this over and over and guess what i have a question. Is this life dan. Here's the thing yeah but it was all worth it and he loved her. That's so true <hes> like it was worth. It was all worth it. I love that is a central question of like. Do you think it was worth getting married. If your wife died of cancer do do you regret marrying her surely like oh like you can be a grown man and the emotional maturity of a bag of like justice ah hinton goodwill hunting have so he's goes and the title so he's so good so so sean maguire fire is he's not like the other therapist. He's not like the prepare bits. He assaults his clients threat. You can just sort of put a pin in violence this movie because it's one that needs to be pinned. It is everywhere guess and he's like you know. What will you think you're so smart because you read a couple books but you're just a kid who doesn't know anything about love or how to fuck good so you. We need to open up your feelings. So now the ba- the ball's wills court you know his approach is all over the place. It involves violence by verbal harassment. Yeah yeah involves <hes> off hours meetings if bowing to the park close intimate friendships. If you're good therapists then you will work irk bad therapists. We all learn that's important so then we'll goes out with schuyler finally and then he also keeps going to robin william's character for therapy and he refuses to talk i will does progress is slow but he starts to get through. He's starting to make some breakthroughs. He's starting to get some job offers because he's doing all this math and he's really good at it trying to give them a job. Yes dylan kinda. I'm trying to like steal his shine a little bit that weird mentor relationship where he's like. I'm helping you but i also want to be you. You're really good start. Yeah yeah yeah yeah a good step performance and then things start to fall apart <hes> where he gets in a fight with skyler he tells her he doesn't lover because he's afraid of love and he's afraid of feeling still no and then she moves to california for med school will and professor lambeau get in a fight because will it doesn't really care about all this math stuff and having a job and everything like that and lambeau thinks he's throwing his life away. Ben affleck is like dude dude. Get your shit together. That's a good speech one where he's like you. Gotta get outta here. My favorite part of the day is is the when i think you might not be home. Yeah i forgot literally beautiful. You're laughing but it's beautiful and it comes back at the end is a good actor. He's he's a damaged. Man is good. He's cancelled right. He's been really creepy with a bunch of like. I can't get interviewers and stuff. I don't i. I don't know that matt damon. There is some weird shit with i don't i don't i think i mean everybody seems like everyone in. This movie is cancelled of the of the boston bro friends. I mean especially is one hundred percents. Owino chile alleged use. There's there's there's definitely some history. That stopped very good okay. Yes indeed yeah for for both of them. They're eve forever literally everyone except robin williams. We hope we that we know right. No no one is saving anyway so so wills fighting with everyone he and robin williams getting a fight because you know will hunting is being a dick as per usual but then then robin williams is like will your intimacy issues your abandonment issues. It's not your fault and then well cries and he realizes that it's okay data have feelings sometimes. It's okay to not be okay sometimes when you cry. It's actually a good thing this is this is laid will hunting a part of the movie that i alike where it kind of veers into that like rare dead tear jerker genre like dads either movie. The dads adds new mrs movie for cry. I was joking earlier but now i'm serious. I really am here for the meninas 'cause that men should be able to have have movies for them. That are like this because they don't. I don't disagree i do. I mean i'm just like man. This is sort of stray the man learning to understand his heavily refuge feeling like able to talk to other men about it. I think that's nice yeah you did you sort of i mean the movies horribly paced <hes> anyway and so the end really just sort of does come at you like a frigging whirlwind but unless i don't wanna i don't wanna cut your recap. No go for we'd miss the we'll. Maybe we'll get into what we talk about many but when they start fighting yeah we'll talk about that. Don't you worry so wills like oh my my god i it's okay to have feelings <hes> then he gets a job so that he can get his life on track but then he then he writes a note to robin williams and he's he's like screw the job i gotta go see about a girl which is the thing that robin williams said to him about his big baseball game and then he then we'll drive to california to be with schuyler because she has moved there for med school. That's the end of the movie we gotta take a quick break and then we'll come back back to discuss caitlyn from the becca cast here to tell you about buffy breeze comforters buffy buffy created the best comforter that i have ever slept with and trust me. I've slept with a lotta comforters in my day. Okay fun fact about me. I do not sleep very well and to get a good night's sleep. I need conditions to be perfect. 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I hope that i can be discovered as has like a comedian or screenwriter. The way that will is discovered as a math genius this movie where it's like. I'm writing a joke on a chalkboard and then someone walks up and they're like oh my fucking walking god. This is the greatest joke i've ever seen and then you run away like legu- and then they find me and i'm like okay fine. I'll be a comedian <hes> <hes> those are my hopes and dreams so good will hunting. Yes listen. The movie says he's good. He's good he is. He says he's got his movie says matt damon and matt affleck. Both i'm so that was really district. Literally racer <hes> they won and oscar for writing they did robin williams won an oscar for acting deserved it there i like he did he did he did in that he his monologues are great. He's so good. His dialect coach should be doing the correct accent. I would say about thirty percent of the time. He hits guests that thirty already when he gets it right award winning. I do want to say about them winning. The writing oscar sure is that they are the youngest oscar winners for writing <hes> however i think a lot of people don't know this the movie it was like heavily ghost written like they wrote a draft and it was horrible and they are taking it around and then a much more experienced screenwriter who refuses refuses to take credit they they'd just because it's embarrassing or i don't know why he won't take credit. I think because he was like do know who it is. I oh i think it's william goldman row butch cassidy and the princess bride yeah and he was like their script dr and basically he. There's a thing where somebody was like or like. Reportedly wants was like. I wasn't a script doctor. I rewrote the entire thing from scratch scratch and then people were like is that real and he was like no. I don't want to talk about it. I don't know why like what it was about it but basically leave fixed a script and then made it happens quite a bit in hollywood where like there's just like a million yeah. I mean yeah so there's like i and the the reason i'm inclined to believe that because i don't want a nigger boys are we don't don't wanna negative was it may or may not be cancelled. I forget honestly <hes> the the reason reason. I'm inclined to believe that someone else wrote. This movie basically is because neither of them really go onto ever write anything no so you would think if they were good writers. Ah i think rob reiner was originally attached to direct it or something or he knew them and like the script and caesar reason why william goldman was like take a look at this guy really. I don't also know where they were in their careers where it was just like. Everybody thought that they were awesome. They had both done a couple things but i think this movie really jump started them as like movie stars this post chasing amy though right yeah but those were pretty they getting but he's getting buzz right and it's like he's like he's schmoozing. He's at these hollywood parties his poolside. He's kicking. He's meeting meeting people and he's like. I'm just a guy from boston and everybody's like this is what we do every weekend as me and i'm still at the poolside waiting for rob. Reiner hasn't been there in years but i'm there sure case. He's got a gun. I get a little hi. I'm gonna do a movie. It's called good hunting. It's about me me and i'm a perverted abusive cook. Yeah i mean harvard and i guess what i can read. I think i can read and it's good good because it says that i m the title <hes> uh-huh and also it kind of sounds like maybe it could mean something or be a sentence but it's not it's just my name cry. I really thought this movie was about like doc hunting for good goodwill like the like the goodwill and people and i did not realize it will hunting is the name of the character and do we get that. It's it's such a clever turner working. You should read the screenplay row. It's about world war two and the main character's name. It's shoot gun. It's really sort of subversive. <hes> in the way that you would expect because you you hear the name issue and you're like oh shoot i lo- tons of guys named shoot and also tons of people at the last named gun but then you look at the movie overall and it's like wait a minute. Oh it's it's happening. <unk> shooting got plus. Thank you a little advance screener <music> training. That's really the twist at the end of the movie. The actually the gun shoots itself. It's really good and it's coming out in twenty forty nine. It's a it's a comment. It's so good will hunting hunting. He's directly connected to that weird transition additionally choice so wait so let's talk about the one woman character in the movie who is alive the point of the pod. I guess yeah so we've got. We've got skyla. We've got sky last guy goes avid she's british. She bridge. We love that. We know that she he is a fourth year undergrad harvard student yeah. She's very mad. She's a woman two. She's hot. That's important so rare for women a woman in a movie who is hot as brave now who never heard of it so she she's she meets sexy janada yeah eh epoca. I like how that that whole scene is. A ben affleck's character goes up to hit on many driver and her friend and then the a smart guy like the harvard guy comes over has a pony tail. Yeah he fully has a nineteen ninety-seven long mail blond male adult. Don't trust him and food food. Don't trust him do not trust them flesh color hair scary <hes> but he so so he comes over and then it turned into this. I think it's supposed to be this weird class war. That's going on where they're like. Oh so fucking poor guy can't just go and fuck it. Harass women at the bar but sm- smart guys can't and there's just like no no knowing when <hes> but that's not this is america poor guy should be able to hit on a fucking woman and so should smart guy. I wanted fucking harass a woman in the fucking streets. Whether i'm poor or rich i should be able to do it. This is what off or fathers and like no no no. Don't ask her what she wants to say. Julia had a dream that one day regardless of color or creed. Any man could harass a woman if he walking wanted to no no no. I don't want to hear what you have to say you want to take. This outside. Drove me crazy about this scene so he you know he will is like quoting books. He's like flexing his his knowledge. Fluttering gas brain your brain komo of all the people who are around schuyler in this moment. She is impressed by goodwill hunting. She's also not speaking right well. Women don't in half. We actually actually has a podcast so she gets her time and then she goes over talk to him forty five minutes later and she's like you're an idiot. I was waiting for forty five minutes for you to come talk to me because you know when you're hot you go to harvard at your beautiful at your pre med at u up wait outside bars for almost an hour to talk to evil man and he has no l. less than forty holes in his shirt in this scene yeah he's yeah we know that he has other closed that don't have holes in them like why did he why the anyway i mean women are conditioned to like wait passively for a man to pursue them especially in ninety seven like she does house eventually go up to him. It's crazy to me that she was like waiting there for forty five minutes for him to talk to her. I think that's just us like oh. The screenplay was written by a budget introduce and that's like not that since they're like oh that women figure this all the fucking time and they're just sitting there wishing and then i just you know i think issue thought so. I didn't go out there. It's just like that's just like stupid writing yeah <hes> so then she approaches him so i guess it's good that we don't. I don't see a guy like aggressively wearing her down. Don't worry the santa later. That's only when they're ill does. Does he start to become abusive abusive yes because she does. She does initiate a lot of stuff in the early half of their relationship. She suggests the first kiss. I thought there date was really keen. I didn't hate it. I liked the beginning of their relationship. I thought was very she. She tells a great joke. She's a joke about a mouthful com com. Yeah i really i mean it's. I thought their relationship was very cute. At the beginning yeah it was nice and i like i like her character to like seems more more well rounded than a lot of romantic interest women in movies especially at this time he hasn't do like jazz and drop everything the sangha she meets in it like you know she's like. She's still doing whatever it senior year ago. Yeah she's having fun. She didn't work. She still derick but she wants to have fun with acute janitors yeah. We've all been there all been. There all wanted to fuck a hot janitor and if you think you haven't check again. I didn't know that he was a custodian. I'm willing to spread that rumor about boston is like a passage. You're gonna fuck a janitor. He's going to be a genius. He's gonna be emotionally abusive to you and i cannot watch anymore movies about like <unk> a tortured white man also gene you. It has to be redeemed metro graph new york city. You know what's up on a seven day marathon where white men are tortured genius yeah and it's okay because they're smart and then as it pertains to her character will start to talk about her in syrupy and he's like she's beautiful. She's fun. She's intelligent like so he you know values her for things beyond her her beauty yeah the then the the subtext of his saying that that i was like oh man but it is <hes> in the world of this movie like yeah of course i would say that but he's sort of like in philly part of what he's saying here is like she's got this british accent all the women around me sound fucking gross and they like she's different from all the most. Most of the girls have been with which is like she's not girls. She's does not girls are made out to be like dumb like like late night like a total. There's some like yeah there's a lot of like weird like classiest like if you're like working class or from a particular neighborhood when you're automatically like fucking eighty and then if the yeah but <hes> so then he says to robin williams us like oh. I don't know if i'm i'm gonna go out with her again because i realize not that smart and she's fucking boring and this is him like not processing his feelings which like learns to do later sordo <music> fully like what if she's actually a little actually not that cute what about what about that and then this is when things fall apart in their relationship ship for me when he likes starts to do her homework for her so that like she has time to hang out with him. She's like i gotta learn this stuff. You can do my homework for me. I'm but like you're right and i mean i would accept that fr. I was dating a match. Okay fair senior. High school dated a guy who is really good math and i did let him do my homework once or twice. Oh my own my driver. She's cancel. He's like she gives me like. I need to learn this. I'm going to medical school. I need to know how to do this. Stuff does she university weight wait but he keeps like you know exerting his fucking brains power over her and then and then it's the whole thing where she's like moved to california with me. I love you and he's like oh. I don't love you and it's just because he doesn't know how to do his feelings yet. That's so yeah. The context of that is that he had lied to her. He said he had tall yeah yeah and he had like mike tommy joey joey raby brian and johnny mickey john reid jimmy. Johnny did like that. They i think they like left that shot on madina so he would have to say it twice neuro and he did he earn that nomination you learn mike lined with <hes> so she finds out that he had lied about that that he was in the foster system for a long time hadn't abusive <hes> father in the foster system. We also learned the first thing we know about many driver in a long time in this because in most of them together she's like so like what is your deal like. We'll talk like you're so good at math but like what are you. He never uh-huh hunting a he never asks her about herself so we don't find out really anything about other than like where where she goes to school and like. We know a fair amount but we find out in. I think we don't learn about this before but in that scene where the fi she's like oh my the only reason that i we she's rich career technically. No we could've guessed but but we find out as yet these oh you can go with all the other fucking trust fund kids which i've yelled at someone before a. and then they <hes> but then she's like what the reason was. I have so much money is because my father passed away. When i was thirteen to but-but-but whoa did he not know that yet. He's you never ask yourself holding her up yet. The warsaw shoves her against a wall and then like slams his hands around next tara her airy scary. It is yeah she's she mean drivers really good in that scene though she's like she's so scared and heartbroken and and crying and i was like oh i i i like this. Well the not seen real. Oh you love when women get hurt. Okay yeah breaking news on the last eases ward. I'm taking over aren't bringing movies for boys for their hind each other. It's really scared but also they were dating in real life. Oh yeah at the time of making the movie and then doing press and then they broke up yanks interesting so that's that'll make for some good act that chemistry you got that camera yeah and then the way their relationship and the movie basically ends is that he gives up everything that he's been working toward basically to move across the country to be with her telling her or calling her. He just dry just right to california has barely apologized to her for how horrible he was not. He has plans on showing up yeah which is like now like twenty nineteen textbook. Do not do scary right. No no no more just showing up please but there there's like yeah. He liked tries to call her and then he gets he's like chicken shit and hangs up and then just decided he's going to uproot his entire. Are life working to her and she's like. I'm about to leave. I love you and he's like okay. Take care bye but it's good because ben affleck is happy right that is true weird. How movie is good yeah so actually if ben affleck smile at the end or like it always forgive break great. The takeaway is happy at a bad movie gone girl sad at the the whole movie awesomely bad. Mary puffy gone girl baby. Gone gone girl baby fat movie mash smiles because because he was directing it that's the greatest gray small amount of the greatest gift then smile but the takeaway from this romantic romantic relationship that we've seen unfold as basically like oh you can treat women like shade as long as you make this big quote romantic gesture in all we'll be forgiven. We've which and it's also like we we also don't see how it goes. No we don't know can't i hope that he gets there and she's just like and you should you have to drive home dick. I think it has to go horribly because it's like he just has so much shit to to figure out the way that she is written. She's way too accommodating and the way that she has been written in this movie. She'd be like oh my god. Will you do love me showing that permeates. You love me and look. We'll be together forever because that's how this movie understands women to be. I don't disagree that it is too early in their relationship relationship for him to move across the country to be with her. I also if i were in his position. I would have been like let's try long dis- not i'm shoving you against install wall and there's i mean there's a lot of like they've got that class tension going which is like an interesting. There's like interesting elements to their relationship that ends up kind of either being really really like treated like very not well by the movie or does end up kind of disappearing ellen ellen. Okay what's going on with me is selling okay. He does at least get at least three or four several minute monologues. I don't really know what he was saying in any give them he i. I like that. The movie is like oh and we also need to figure out are things okay was stolen and robin. I truly could not care wait jon. I forgot about that that whole plotline there's at least like fifteen minutes devoted to like enter. These college roommates going to be friends at the end of the day. You're like who was like a bit. Whatever yeah only rando yes okay awkward sauce random. There's also that whole long scene where we represent earlier that matt damon turned down a job at the n._s._a. At gives a really long monologue about how he disagrees with the n._s._a. Yeah sure like i you know but why is that there. There's a lot of scenes that could have been cut part of the beauty of this movie is almost none. None of it needs to be there and i mean i don't. I don't know i think that at least like many drivers character is rooted in the story and <hes> <music> but like you kinda. Are you character as kind of their to like prove that he's quote unquote growing as a person because his journey to like being able to i love her is like kind of what all him and robin williams talk about. Robin williams is he's got major. His wife trope syndrome where <hes> his wife his wife is dead which is in an that's like and that's something that we know what we love about him is that his wife is dead and he can't shut up about it. Yeah not all men have dead wives. There's leninist as bad alman aviator shades on a little something about my boys there but there is like remind me of like ed harris in the rock doc where the whole drive of this character is just like it's not as good as <unk> at harris screaming at his wife's tombstone and i loved you so so fucking much but it's just probably is talking about <hes> you know if you look character we never see even the only other female character in this movie is dead. Yeah yeah pretty much well. Many drivers friend like is like jeeze an extra. Turn extra come on so. I don't think i was only come on. She says one change the i rip open villa space-time continuum. She's like yeah girl feminists tax. We did it to talk in this movie so hunting your <hes> awful hunting. It's yeah it doesn't it doesn't get there i i liked. It's too bad because i like the the first half of the movie. I like many drivers character and then i feel like the kinda seller out yeah i mean she she she she's as many female characters in many movies she the exists to further characterize the male character right entirely at least she appears rabbit his wife onscreen. She is allowed to appear. You're on the cutting room floor bare for migas. A ghost is rubbed young hop ghost wife because she's she's a therapist and the department sir pulling over like the white sheets her like what are you talking about. She's the worst boston accent that i've ever heard and it was something so easily in the script scorsese could have been like you know what actually you weren't born and raised in boston. You came here from california and you went to be you. You and you've been here for fifteen years. Let's say that just right. She's like i'm born and raised and boss massachusetts so you really. 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To get twenty dollars off your first month service when you sign up and exclusive special offer jesper bhakta cast listeners that's visible dot com slash a._b._c. Who fucking bag fucking back the next thing that i think we should talk about what did we talk about. Let's talk about a lot of oboe solo oboe heavily so should be mentioned over heavy scars. Scarf mentioned are sort of shared history. Yes let's get up. I mean jamie and i both notoriously known in several circles famously as long as in a large way <hes> play the high school and i think it shows honestly which is crazy giving off major oboe vibes. Do you still do you still have yours in boston. I've got i brought mine. Here was in case. You never know but like okay when you hear the oboe in movies visa. You're like well. That's me i'm like oh. I basically did that. Visibility is so important eh. I feel more during oboe solo in any movie then i did during any part black panther incredible and there's a character the island movie and i was like <hes> was an oboe unscreened talking then i would have done it so one thing that i think to give this movie some credit. Yes i do appreciate that. It is largely about a man in recognizing that another man needs therapy and then that man going to therapy and then eventually embracing it and and then like realizing that it's actually healthy and perhaps good to open up to me to be yeah yes so. I don't think there are many movies like that. The fact that this is a pretty well known mainstream dream movie. I think is good for that reason. I think the characters are still fairly toxic even after they've been through therapy the way to get there is there's some bumps in the road the way they get there but i think generally it's it is like it's like that dad like the dad crime crime genre like forgiveness men forgiving each other porn yeah for for dads that they're like oh shit. I wish i could do that but at least fuck doc in mattamy did yeah and i've said it before. I'll say it again. Exciting masculinity stems usually from okay. I'm sorry i know i'm in the presence of time. I wonder what the fuck is going on here. Here here got a good will hunting badly ugly shirt toxic masculinity stems at least in part from men not embracing their emotions or knowing how to process them so a movie that encourages that is a good think if we're going to dismantle the patriarchy we need the cooperation of men and they're not gonna do that unless they can talk about. Their feelings takes show. That was my my good will hunting monologue. Thank you so much here. You and i think that that's really important feel why and all oh my boys listening to this pod. You know what i'm talking about. When you wanna cry but you can't so you just drink seven monster energy drinks in one mountain dew code orange. I have a feeling so i hear you but i counter that. Okay actually write a movie about that. Oh i can't wait hedges pleased. The mountain dew corridor so it's gonna be good is gonna be good. Miles teller is attached here yes so much some place the sun the great cast at the climax of the movie smile so shoots himself into the so he shoots the plant in of and the world war script that previously wrote and that will be coming out in twenty forty forty nine. This is actually the way that the avatar movies shut up boys sort of like span several generations and that is what my movie we about shoot at his family's legacy will also do so. It's kind of a cinematic universe well. I would say exactly that actually so thank thank you. I love it. Yeah i mean any movie remained goes into therapy and it and it and it works out for him. I think it's almost like the the like goofy you like losing. If you a fuck if you like the pussy to cooperate with you true you just gotta go to fuck it there and that is like not not the best message but i feel like if you're trying to appeal to men who are completely not open to therapy at all completely completely closed off the promise of sex at the end of the therapy road. I'm willing to tell that lie. I'm white and perpetuate that lie. Here's the is that sometimes it does work though many driver even tries it. She's like i'm not going to have sex with you again until you like introduce me to your friends and family basically like unless you open up to me in some way so i'm going to withhold sex oh dark. I mean i've been there. Ah i'm there right now. I'm still doing the sex strike. You're still doing <hes> yeah. It's actually really actually doing it because i'm a menaced ernest there as well and then the way mental health is treated in this movie is kind of all over the place. Doesn't your therapist throttle your throat in every challenge him so we'll talk about themselves for everything. What if you had their businesses like. I don't know he talks about his dead wife most of the time he's helping me well. They're those few different moments where they're like the therapist montage when he's trying in instead of like address trying on montage words we see in every movie about a woman instead we see a therapist trying on montage with oh good will hunting but he's trying different this one of those. He's like i can't do this. This guy is a raving lunatic which is like not how well the the reason he does that is because of a weird bad gay joke. That was where matt damon is like now listen. I don't hate gay people but i can. I've clocked. You and you're like oh. I have a whole list of things get said but like no therapist is going to be like oh. I can't help this person. They're a raving lunatic. It's like you the normal people daria. Bring somebody cigna mile. Get out get out. It's like the medical diagnosis that the psychiatrist gives in the movie be halloween where he's like. He's pure evil. It's like this is not how medicine and mental health work but <hes> yeah okay. Here's my list of ninety ninety seven creepy problematic stuff that is said by straight white men and now nine hundred ninety seven the r. word in our get said several times stellan skarsgard asks one of his female students if she would like to have a drink with him. Look the woman yeah it's fireman rather williams says to his class full of students who are wanting to become therapists quote. If your clients don't trust you you'll never get them to sleep with you and that should be the goal of any good therapists nailed them while they're vulnerable. That's my motto auto and then everyone laughs in the movie. It's framed is like he's trying to get their attention again because we are like fallen asleep but like oh make that joe that's at a student and sunkar hill locker hill so i lied. That's actually kind of near where i loved. Okay yeah i was kind of a high school will all calls skyler but doesn't say anything on the phone and then she says professor valenti. Are you trying to call me again. So apparently there are several different professors in this movie who are harassing young women teri professor <hes> stones garner wrong robin williams or talking about an indian man and they say they make awful joke which is still being used by comedians today. <hes> indian dot not feather <hes> few more robin williams is talking talking about having a lottery ticket that will cover his tab at a bar and then he says <hes> might not cover my tab but it'll cover your sex change operation why i would say that why is a line of dialogue give them the trophy and then finally because even on this movie is about well you know like men coming to terms with their feelings and learning how to process them <hes> will and his therapist hug at the end and then we'll hunting says does this violate the doctor doctor patient relationship and rob says no only if you grab my ass which like okay you ruined a nice moment anyway anyway so that was my list of <hes>. Why was this written into the movie there well. I mean that's like selma. Take the movie to really specific if you have a list. I think that it is <hes> this movie. As far as i know it is not like as popular as it once was. I don't think people really go other than people from boston are homesick and want to see a version of <hes> where they grew up that never existed existed <hes>. It doesn't seem like it's really endure. I don't think teenagers are watching on. I don't know i don't think so so so it did like propel those two guys to like start. Oh we're stuck with them. We're star search with them <hes> but yeah yeah so those are kind of all my thoughts thoughts on the movie anyone else have any final thoughts. <hes> i think that matt damon is using most of the janitorial supplies incorrectly the way he holds a broom. I don't think is correct the way he is mopping as someone who mobbed a lotta mops yeah. He's a bad mapra. Well also clearly everyone who has never been to therapy either for. Their college had a job a bar. There's lots of experience. A healthy relationship not been had but we're written by in this is my final thought thought go shocks there. Oh shit. I mean i'm president i love. I love the bruins. I respect the socks dizzy. He gets a little bit crowded. I'm all about your pets. Pets patsy go fucking bruins. I love fuck in and joe thornton and all his move celtics. Go kush else about god. Does this movie pass the bechtel town belt old yeah <hes> okay. Let's see we have seen with odd who women minnie driver and rubbing his wife's ice ghost played by vera formiga and the and the scene where they all bump and talk about a bell minis medical career and how proud verifier mega is of many drivers <hes> decision due to go to california this after the well <hes> and she's having a really hard time enter best friend who's coast comforts her and it's like i'm really proud of you and she's like thank you and then she's like what got you interested in medicine and then he tells her and they hug and then each other utah watches gosh really good yeah. I know i love because it's a great scene. You know remember. Let me ask you a question. Does it pass the back task. Yes if yeah because if ben affleck's first words in the movie are screaming at a woman across the bar kathy hey why don't you give me none of that nasty coochie woo- usually throw at me. Does that pass the test yes. She claps apps back feminist win. She's as fuck you. When you're tootsie roll dick i guess she is the other named female characters this year old ich matt damon says like hi kristin or something like that to a woman at the bar but yeah these are very tertiary characters. This movie was produced. I'll tell you see women in film. Esther shaye characters and i feel bad again. I really just been law now. Also very famously a weinstein eighteen brothers giant. We've covered a lot of weinstein your bags and ten million dollar budget. Two hundred twenty-five birt's people love this movie. One hundred million me might take oh my god. I used to be a trust fund baby but i blew it will hunting ticket. Get slow on the eaters theaters okay. Let's rate the movie in our nipple skill yeah all right so five five nipples the great portrayal of women feminist win. Yes <hes> you're zero. Nipples bad bad bad bad will hunting bad. I'm gonna give this this. I guess one nipple 'cause. I do like many drivers character. I do like that. We get to know a little bit about her. She seems like like a fairly oak. She seems she seems okay. At first and then the movie does sell her out and she can. She starts being treated the very badly by the man that she loves but it's but it's fine because he drives across the country without letting her now sexy janitor forget so that it doesn't bode well. I do appreciate that. The movie is about a man's like emotional journey even though he still ends up being pretty toxic sick by the end he is demonstrated at least some emotional growth and i am for ninety seven. I think that was pretty groundbreaking. Yes yes truly like therapy in a movie. In the year nineteen ninety-seven clearly people found it very very brave although like i said i just simply do not have the patience for stories about mediocre white men who are actually also geniuses and uses don't care so young i mean one nipple sounds like too much. I'm going to go down to a half nipple and i'm gonna give it to kathy see for not giving her coochie to ben shapiro nasty fever spec and also cathy in her defence defense. <hes> for visibility of nasty cookies does not say no kuchi. Lucci is not nasty. She may be as like yeah. It is and i'm fine. I like my name's kathy and mike could you would absolutely disgusting as is the law now so i will. I will give this one. I think i like major adverse character for most of it like you're saying i hope for better for her. For in the future when matt damon is going the hell off about like yen and in the future. You get married some other guy a talk about how you fucked fuck. The janitor wants and then like honestly. I hope that that's what happens for her. I hope she moves on quickly and she finds a different kind of douchebag at stanford. You know there's plenty honey. Oh plenty out there to a whole different genre yeah. I like. It's <hes> it seems like the token female character in the in the all male movie but you know matt damon goes to therapy <hes> and it is. I like i feel like the kids it's like oh. We need more like dad crime movies it. It is like i feel like dad. Get a release out of this. That is like maybe why the movie has even remotely endured other than like didn't and men can cry during the movie and people like me who are horny for horrible boss there but it's like you get there. There is value to it with with that <hes> so you know maybe just better better version of a movie that that your dad can feel comfortable crying too and think about all his. I'm like if it was my dad was watching this movie. He would be thinking about his regrets. Yeah i hear mood and <hes> you know he needs. He needs to be doing that so aw yeah but for this is not this is not. I'll say it tom feminist texts. You know i agree. I'll give it one nasty coochie wuchi. Oh and i'm also going to give it to kathy. Yeah i hyphen <hes> the tricky. This is tough. This score that i give in no way reflects my beliefs on the menaced community which i am deeply deeply connected however it's not very it's not very kind to women. It's not very kind of women at all. Paul and poor mini drivers character really just suffers and suffers again <hes> she loses any sense of character which is a bummer. Even though robin williams cbs's dead wife is probably one of the most fleshed out characters just because we know that she far eastern her sleep right that is more than we know many so oh so you tell me we know a lot about kathy watt other nasty nasty but i think but they'll score why i gotta i gotta go. I gotta go point five yeah yeah oh elegant and all the women harass way i gotta. I think i might go zero. Okay go no. I said no kuchi witchy. No no i you will be watching the movie. What is the thing is clear. I'm addicted to that movie. I just know everything that happens to watch nasa point of the podcasts. 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(Episode 130) "Interstellar" Actor: Leah Cairns.

Monday Morning Critic Podcast

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(Episode 130) "Interstellar" Actor: Leah Cairns.

"In the wild west world of podcasting where podcasts are dominated by hose to deliver a below average product and each unlistenable podcast is trying to be like the next. There is one podcast that is authentic and genuine continues to stand tall and its originality based on passion for his guests their work and his level podcasting Derrick Thomas and Monday morning critic podcasts. Get amazing diverse unique guests found nowhere else. The include hall of fame athletes, Academy Award winners Golden Globe winners Super Bowl champions. Emmy winners award winning authors. Award winning film score composers directors trailblazers pioneers and vendors the variety and quality are endless. There is something for everyone. Derrick Thomas is that hero you deserve. He's a silent guardian a watchful protector. Welcome to Monday morning critic podcast here is Derrick Thomas. Today's guests is named Leah. Karen? She's one of the best actors on a planet. I love right. She her working who's interstellar battle start. Lactic off supernatural travelers. Thank you so much being on the show today Li I really appreciate it. Thank you so much of that fantastic intro. So I gotta say your life. So when I breakdown lakes when I do research in others actors that are really good people on know on camera in off camera. They're not like horrible people. But I feel like you've excelled as a great human being. And you've also excelled as as an actor to like, I people will understand what I mean in about forty five minutes. But do you get coming from with that? I not sure I do what makes you say that I'm going to say not many people travel the country travel the world for eight years how many people's work in orphanages or build schools or help people with their lives. That's for starters. I mean, I just I just feel like you're very giving and kind person not that other people are not. But I think you brought it to a level that when people actually talk about doing things you actually went out and get something. Well, I did. I was definitely a doer. That's absolutely, correct. But I don't know that I should get that much kudos for the things that I did if we want to break it down a really reasonable way to travel when you don't have a lot of money is to volunteer. So all of those things were also helping me out along the way it was something that I enjoyed. But it hardly puts me into saints out us. I totally agree. But I also know that there are a lot of people that talk of big game that don't necessarily fulfil that big talk and not that you talk a lot. But I just feel like your actions. You're right. You know, doing a good thing doesn't use to be nominated for sainthood. But it also does mean that you're you're a pretty good person. I mean, I'll say you don't have to. Thank you so much. I appreciate so you group in British Columbia and your story early on you've told this story a lot. But, but it's kind of an interesting story for those who don't know it. Right. So you love dance, especially jazz. And tap if I'm wrong at any of this police, correct me and a sixteen year hit by a drunk driver. And you spend a month in your life in the hospital with a broken back. You have Roger in a brace touch alluded about that. At because I believe it's got to be a very difficult time for you. Because you finally found your Nisshin jazz and tap, and then it's like boom life at you. And take take it from there. You know, as a kid, I was always a very optimistic person and telling this story, it sounds kind of almost corny now. Because I really don't think this would be my response to that situation now, but as a sixteen year old kid. I almost never skipped a beat. When it happened. I was just such a happy happy kid, and I. Went with the flow. And the first time I cried after the car accident was when they told me that I was going to lose a huge percentage of my flexibility because all I cared about was dance. And then my dance teacher was the first person that came in after I got that news, and I actually broke down, and we cried together, and then I just kind of sucked it up and got on with my life. And I decided that I was going to go back to dance. And then it turned out that I was really really bad at it lost all that flexibility. So what happened was my dance troupe made it to the North American championships which happened to be in Florida for the very first time ever, and it was a huge feat for this little dance group from Kamloops British Columbia, and I couldn't go obviously because my back was broken. So there was no way in my mind. I was going to be able to just sit at home. While everybody else in my downs group was competing at this competition. So I found something else to do. And I ended up going on a youth environmental trip to Costa Rica, and it was one of the most incredible experiences of my life. And it ended up opening this door of travel to this little girl from Kamloops tiny little town podunk town and the interior of British Columbia, and I was just really grateful for that experience. So I could always see where the good things happened alongside with the bad things. And it just kind of never bothered me. But now as a forty five year old woman who's in chronic pain, all the time it bothers me daily. But as a kid, I was pretty okay with it. I got to tell you the forty five degrees h because we are both forty five which is a good thing. And I have to say when you're laying in that hospital, and I'm not trying to get negative. Are you angry at all is mentally is hell for you. And I know what you just said. But when you internalize it are you like God damn why me like do you ever get that? I didn't at the time. I mean, I could probably don't know perhaps it was because it was on so much morphine. I don't know. I really can't wrap my brain around it. I was such a happy. Happy kid. I was great patient. I lots of friends coming to see me. I just never I never had that moment of. Why me or being really upset with the driver? I felt bad for her. But then after a good decade of chronic pain. I definitely went through a wine me phase. And then woke up one day when I realized oh, actually when I realized that I was actually lucky because people kept telling me that actually when it first happened, ho you so lucky you're so lucky, and they meant, you know, I was lucky that I didn't die. And I kept thinking what if funny thing to say to someone how lucky you were that you were hit by drunk driver. This is an odd thing to say. And then I just let it go. And then ten years later. I was really like I was not lucky I was hit by drunk driver, and that sucks, and then I had this moment of holy smokes. I am so lucky I could have died in that accident. I could've been paralyzed in that accident, and I just felt so lucky 'cause shitty things up into people every single day. You know, I feel like if that's the worst that I'm gonna get I got pretty lucky. Yes. Well, said so. Your reaction came a little bit as you're living your life as life progress. Not so much up front is that kind of reading that. Yeah. Yeah. Upfront. I was pretty okay? With the whole thing, you know, things happen. And I carried on and I think because perhaps I'm a person who just loves to experience things not it was just going with the experience of it. Right. As crazy as that sounds. I remember being really excited when they're like Whoo. You're going to have to spend the night in the hospital. I've never been in a hospital before you know, it just kind of really went with it. And it wasn't until the grind of being in chronic pain. For a good ten years that I really started to fight some demands over the accident took a while. And when you branch out when you start Costa Rica, and we get to that a moment and your danced the true, kind of continues their thing, isn't there any kind of. I know it was your choice to go to Costa Rica, obviously. But is there ever like? And I know what you said the reactions are later, and I get that. But is there any upfront as far as you know? I wish I was there or is it like, you know, what the situation is not that. And I can't look at it that way. Yeah. The ladder. Definitely I remember being in Costa Rica and just being in such off of every experience that I got to have and thinking, holy smokes. If I hadn't been in the car accident. I'd never be doing this. And I just I really. Was seeing it through that lens at that time. And I almost feel silly about ashes because I think you've kind of already answered it when you said people said you were lucky, but it was there ever a blessing from this. Is there anything that outside of you coming out alive? Is there anything you took away from it where it has stuck with you this many years later, I think when you deal with something that young you almost feel invincible or I felt invincible I came out of that. Okay. And I thought if I can come out of a situation like that. Okay. I can handle anything. And I I was it made me very brave. I was a very very brave kid. I mean, most of that traveling that you were talking about I did by myself, and I don't ever remember feeling fear ever. Yes. Showing up by myself in a foreign country in at nighttime with no plan, and all my money strapped to my person in a money belt. Never occurred to me to be upset and this is before internet. So it's not like I had access to what to do next at my fingertips. You just had to go with the flow and make your way. I did it just hearing you speak ten minutes to the interview I can already tell your perspective. And why you are where you are today. It's pretty clear, but let's talk while you're traveling Costa Rica, thirty six countries eight years, I mean that is amazing it self. So it was it wasn't eight years consecutive would go for a year. You know, your passport runs out. Mike ticket would run out my access to Canadian healthcare would run expired once and I had to come and live in the country for three months, so I have access to a doctor. So they could check on my back. So I was there and back in their back. So over a ten year period of time, I spent about eight years travelling. I mean, yes, we'll a better way to say. This would be you know, over the years time span you probably spent ninety percent of the traveling. Yeah. Over it was over a ten year time period about eight years out of ten. Yeah. Right. So so do you ever find yourself getting homesick and all this time? I mean, you don't seem like somebody that I mean, I'm sure you think of home, and I know I thought I read where mama company that you on on a couple of year excursions. Yeah. When I get homesick. That's when I would call call for reinforcement. So my sister traveled with me for a bit. And then we got my mom and dad added Kamloops got them some backpacks, and they came in met up with us in Indonesia. We I went backpacking around, and then my mom came to India with her friend, and I think she was there for good month with me five weeks backpacking around. So I would get homesick, but I did have family and some friends that would come and meet up with me over the air. So servers scenario where you're like, what did I get myself into your out there like this? My God, it's impressive. Whether you came back after a year or not, it's still very impressive all your time as away. But is there a scenario where? Or like, what did I do? What did I just do with myself so many so? So so many. Yes. I had this is such a crazy story. And I don't think I've ever told it, but I was in India in. Kashmir. And there was a lot of political issues in Kashmir at that time. I was staying on a place called dole lake, and we really really didn't advise tourists to go there at that time. But I went anyways, my best friend from home was with me as well. And we met on the bus a couple of Italians and a guy from Belgium in the guy from Belgium was actually doing a story on Kashmir for the BBC. And he took me with him to interview someone who was listed in my lonely planet book as wasn't alone lonely. It made a book called the world's most dangerous places. And the man that I hope this guy interview was listed as one of the most top ten dangerous people either in India or the world probably in India. Yeah. And I didn't know that until a good year later, but I came to understand it very quickly. When we went to interview him the second we stepped off the bus and told people who we were there to see by the time, we arrived where that man was. He was at a cricket match with hundreds of people watching the match they stopped the match. Everyone was waiting for us to arrive. There was already two seats for us to sit in and we had to do the ginning part of the interview there, and then when it started to get a little political, and we started asking some tough questions we were taken into. I swear this as a true story, we were taken into a telephone communications office because back then if you wanted to call internationally, you go to the communications office, and you'd get the phone, and I call my parents long distance and the one that they had in that town was all glassed-in. So you could see into it. From three different sides. And so we all went into there. And there was people with machine guns all stationed around us watching the interview. Yeah, I was my parents this story. Here this podcast. I was probably twenty three or twenty four the time twenty three I think. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For me. I just thought it was cool. I really felt invincible and I probably got myself into quite a few hairy scary situations. But I never remember fueling fear ever. It was always. Whoa. That was a cool rider. I can't believe we just did that. So so do you decide you know, what I've done my share of travelling? I've got on my blood kind of because I think he's still travel on occasion. Wherever you. I'm sure whenever you can. But you you have you ever. When was the point where you're like this way? I can compare it to in movie analogies. Be like the end of the Forrest Gump's run. Right. You just as I've had enough. Nellie wendy? What is your? I had enough moment. This is so funny. You asked me that my I had enough moment was when I fell in love with acting and realized I could only do it when I was in Vancouver. Okay. Okay. I discovered acting at an ashram in India. As where I took my first ever acting class. And then I came home my trip that trip was over, and I came home, and it never occurred to me that that would be the last big trip I would ever take. But I came home and decided for fun to take some acting classes in Vancouver in foam madly in love with it and have never left the country for more than a few weeks since then I've heard you say when somebody asks you what is you take away from it. You said, you know, in Asia, I learned the importance of family, you don't need all kinds of people. What about another? Listen, you take away with you every day that you try to remember because in eight years worth of experiences are tenure sorry. I gotta believe there's more than I mean that is really important, but there's more than just that. Right. Because it's now it's party or. I think I think. The biggest takeaway that I had from all those years of traveling was understanding that people no matter where you live in the world, we are fundamentally the same and a lot of the conflicts that happened in the world are miscommunication and not understanding different cultural norms and living in a city like Vancouver. Where there's a lot of people from all over the world. I see it all the time where people are constantly misinterpreting. What other people are doing? Meaning what their intentions are? And it is so frustrating to see. And I think if you go traveling in you. Have the experience of? There are some languages that. When they are translated directly into English to the English ear sound, quite rude. The person who is translating from their native tongue into English is just doing a direct translation with the ability that they have with the English ability that they have and I can guarantee you they have zero intention of coming off as rude. They're just trying to communicate. But to the year of someone who speaks English as a first language it can sound really offensive. And that is just one tiny example I've seen it over and over. And I when I'm traveling now, I tend to step into conversations and situations because I it bothers me so much to see it. And I think. I think that was the greatest lesson that I could learn that you got to put yourself into the other person's not just their body. But look at is look at the world through their lens. And if you haven't been to their country or experience, their culture that can be real hard to do or if you haven't been lost in a foreign country and know what that feels like. That can be difficult thing to do I suppose, and it sounds so obvious what you're saying. Right. But it's clearly not because people around the world are we still don't get it. We're still not incorporating people's differences. We still don't get it. And what you're saying is one hundred percent true. And it it sounds so simple. Like, yeah. Of course. But no, not of course, because people still don't welcome. When people see different. They see the tone tends to be negative not accepting, right? Yeah. Exactly. And another example is when people say, well, you know, a when people come to my country, they need to learn our customs and do exactly as we do because they're in our country and fundamentally sure eventually, I think it's really good for people. If you're going to live in a new country, it's really important to understand their cultural norms until follow them. But as someone who was a foreigner in other people's countries, it can take a hot minute to figure out exactly what you're allowed to do. And what you're not allowed to do. And there are certain things that for example, there are some countries where it's not only acceptable. But almost welcome to belch after a meal. It's a sign that you enjoyed it. And it's a, you know, kudos to the chef. I don't know that I could ever live in a country long enough to just feel okay? Okay. With that. Because I'm forty five years old. And those learned I've learned that's not okay. Right. You know, what I mean, this is such a tiny little thing. But I can understand when people get offended by something that someone from another culture does I can see with other cultures coming from like it takes awhile that you got to. Anyway, I know that that's a hot topic. But I really feel that from all that time spent travelling that I that stuff. Just rolls off my back much. Lot more understanding about that. No. That's great perspective. And a great point. You know, you mentioned your family, and I'm not gonna let this go by your sister is a model or was a model. I'm not sure, but I know mom is or was in the mental health field. The Mike rector that she's seventy two years old and still doing it. Oh, seventy one sorry. Mum, seventy one and she's still in that field. So that's what fifty years. That's a me. I mean, come on. I mean, if we're going to get into people doing special things. Okay. There's another one. Okay. So now, I'm talking about you and your mother, and you're not gonna talk me out of that stance. Right. That's that's a tough field to be in for five years. Never mind fifty years. Right. She loves it. She's wonderful at it. And she works with some really beautiful people. No, that's very sweet. So. To have that experiences. Amazing. I think did you did you meet your husband overseas as well. I did not we met working at a restaurant in Vancouver called cactus club. He was a bartender, and I was a server, and I was saving my money to go on my next big trip. And he wanted to as part of his schooling do a trip a work experience abroad, and he was looking for a Spanish speaking country, and he was taking Spanish classes when I met him. And then he met this girl who was always constantly talking about how how great India was. And he kept getting job placements in India. He didn't get a single one for any Spanish speaking countries. Just india. So finally, he's like, you know, what I think I'm gonna go. So he went to India three months before I did and got his work experience done. And then I went over and met up with him while I was there. That's very sweet. And you let me ask you. So when I ask other other actors rate when they talk about rolls, many of them say many my rules are based on somebody. I know right. So if there's a performance, I mean, they know they channel they're channeling somebody have your travels helped you with roles. I mean, I know the where you learned acting a little bit in India. I get that. But is there any other of experience or something that you channel from your travels where it's like that really helped me be in place? I in today as an actor. I don't think I have ever played a character that I haven't met while if that makes sense I mean, I I spent eight years meeting people, and when you're especially when you're traveling those times when I was traveling by myself, I was constantly meeting people when I say that I was traveling by myself. I mean, I start I flew on a plane in by myself to another country, but you always meet up with other people and travel with other people constantly, and I really feel that I have never once played a character that it couldn't immediately go. Oh, that's her the character that I'm playing against in the scene. I'm like, oh, that's that guy. Yeah. Yeah. I know that person, and I really feel that those years of traveling where the greatest acting teacher I could have had. No, that's that's fantastic. And you know, when I when I judge an actor, right? And I don't judge people. I'm just saying the ultimate sign that you've made it is one of two things. Do you either have one in action figure or to a trading card, and you have a trading card? So you I think you've officially made it at this point. I think that my biggest I made it moment might have been jury. Ing. Not during a movie called eighty eight minutes that I filmed with Al Pacino, and I had five days, I believe with Al. And there was the very last scene on my very last day working with him, the director John came up to me and said if we have time at the end of the day, I would really love Ted you're shot of you. And Al just dancing would that be okay? It starts up Mike you want me to dance with Al Pacino. That's that's fine. John and we had enough time, and they put on some music and just unrehearsed off the cuff, I kicked off my shoes and the two of us dance together, and we danced apart. We came together and did like some kind of don't even know tangoing dance together. And at the individ leelee Sobieski was there, and she was tearing up she said, that's the most beautiful thing of ever seen. And I didn't I couldn't understand why it was so great. I just know that in the moment, it was just Alan I dancing in a bar. And when it was over I threw my hands up in the air. And I said, that's it. It's never getting better than this. For me. I'm done. I quit. I finished acting. Locked out. I actor on a while ago that said John avenue it was his favourite directories ever worked for. Yeah. He's a lot of fun. A lot of fun. So wanted to ask you about going to ask you before? I let you go, but I feel more questions here. But like eight minutes, so there's there's a scene there's a CNN movie. Right. Where you're brushing your teeth. I'll say it family, right? Do they ever when you take apart? Let's just say John in this case does John say, hey, this is what you have to do for this role the comics can expect of an accurate. They can't just say, hey, guess what? This is what you're doing today. Like, do they have to run it by you is there like a union thing? They have to do how do they run on us at work. That one works with. I was asked to attend a meeting with John and a casting director by the name of Maureen. And the casting director said John Abbott would like to meet with you. He's got this idea for a role. He's looking for a dancer, and he doesn't know exactly what he wants. But he wants to talk to someone who's a dancer and an actor, and you came to mind, would you come to this meeting? I said, of course, I would so John sat me down. And he told me he just said, you know, the big the opening shot of this movie. I want it to be something where people don't exactly know what's going on. And they once they do realize what's going on. It's very different from what they thought it was. And I want it to portray the audience that this woman is a dancer, and what are your thoughts? What do you think what can dancers do? And so I was going through some different things different stretches. I could do. And then I said, you know, I can actually and I can stand this way. And I think it was a marine web. The casting director that came up with the idea of. The vibrating toothbrush. And I said why can I can do that while I brush my teeth and John's is about bugged out of his head for those of you who haven't seen the scene. I'm stark naked with. I mean, it looks like I'm starting to get I was not. But it looks like it. And then I'm got my leg up in the air with one hand. And I'm brushing my teeth with the other. And did a, you know. It's a it's a great scene. Not because you're naked appear to be naked. But it's a great scene because of the moment of where the movie is at that time and the look on Alpa chino think it's a great scene. It's not a great team. Because you're you know, you appear niches and great scene. It's a fun scene. It's a cool. It's a cool. It I think it's really cool. Yeah. That was the first time I've ever had a director ask for my input on a scene that hadn't yet been created. So it was a pretty big moment for me. And speaking of really cool. I have a feeling that. You're you're really good with people at comic cons. You. Just I've seen the way you interact with people not firsthand, but you know, from reading things, but you also have I heard the story today. And if you were in front of me, I might have just given you a big hug, you have such a just a sweet story that you tell about Peter Mayhew in your first time at a comic con, you remember, you know, what I'm talking about. Peter mayhew. Yes. Oh bless his heart the convention that I did when I met Peter I had only done European conventions, which require different from American ones. So I didn't realize how different it was going to be until I went to it. So it was it was assigning convention, which means you just sit at a table in you sign and you sign, and it was the first time I've been to a convention where there was actors from all different shows all the European ones. I'd done had been actors just went battle star galactica. So I looked around the room and realize that Peter Mayhew to buck was coming, and I literally for reached out and he was a day late coming because his bags didn't arrive an a member stupid leasing who who cares if his exit arrive doesn't just go and get some other clothes. Why is he missing the convention, and then someone sake, you know, it's not that easy to just go to WalMart and buy some clothes at he's kind of. Tall. So anyways, he finally showed up, and I didn't know about this unwritten rule with actors that if you're an actor to convention and you fan out, which we often do with each other shows you just go in the green room and exchange photos, autographs sweat ever. I know that so I stole his table. And I went and got my money I lined up, and I was probably I don't know how far back I was at felt I was really far back maybe twenty people and as I'm getting closer and closer and closer to him. My heart rate started going up. I started getting nervous. And I'm thinking, what am I going to say to him? He's just going to be looking at me. And I'm going to I'm going to what if I see something dumb. And what if I start stuttering? I mean, it's two buck for that sake. And I just freaked out and I left I couldn't do it. I didn't have the nerve to go and ask him for his autograph. And I was so great. Fel that I had that experience because when I had been at these European conventions. There were some people that will come up to my table. And they would be visibly nervous. They be shaky or a little sweaty. Or not getting their words out. Very well. And I just kept thinking why it's just me. What's the big deal? And I didn't get how intimidating it was being on the other side of the table. And I'm so glad that I had that experience. Because now I just think anyone who comes up to ask for my autograph at a con is the bravest Dan down person that exists. I mean, I'm just so proud of them for doing that. Because I couldn't do it. So when I do see someone who's a little bit nervous to come to the table because I've been through that now. I do everything in my power to make it comfortable and make it. Okay. And just really give everyone a great experience. I love conventions with my whole heart. And that's totally who you are it. It's not an actor that is who you want. When you got. I think the funniest part is three. It's like you're getting ready to pay for his picture autograph in line like everybody else. And they're like, we didn't it isn't unwritten ruling yet. That's an awesome story. What one person I have to ask you about? 'cause we talked to John outfit a little bit Christopher Nolan and all you something. Something. I just shame on anybody. That's ever interviewed. You it does not bring up interest on it. And I know your role you had like two or three minutes on screen, which is huge for that movie. Right. But like anybody who's not bringing that up to you like, I get furious when I was doing research about your life, and no one's talking interstellar. Like, I'm ready to hear about it. I know I I hear you. They don't bring it up and off air when people ask you about a battle star galactica, which I'm going to end with it. And it's a phenomenal show. You are so good at it. But no one talks about interstellar. I'm sorry to cut you off. I really revved up for a second. Now. Sure day. It's all good. I'm yet. It boggles my mind to that was such an incredible movie with such incredible actors. I don't I don't know how it goes under the radar, but somehow it slips under. So it's a big scene for a couple of reasons. One is Anne Hathaway says before you're seeing when she's talking about love. And then they go to you're seeing your I don't know if there's air or not, but Casey Affleck, just Chastain talk about the experience working with those actors. And what that meant to you. Well, interstellar funnily enough was my very first job that I booked after I had retired. I've I've quit acting twice in my very short career. I mean, I started acting very late. I think I took my first acting class at that ashram when I was twenty seven twenty-seven, maybe and quit once and then got dragged back in and then I quit again when I was pregnant with twins. I thought I'm done. I'm raising my children that said I'm not going back, and then an opportunity came up where I could actually understand how I could actually have these children and go to audition and not lose my mind. So I took that opportunity, and I started auditioning and holy smokes. I was not expecting that. My very first job back would be with Chris Nolan and a movie that's essentially what ninety percent Oscar winners. Like, why couldn't I couldn't just do a day? On season. What ten on supernatural? No, he's me back in come on guys. So it was it was quite wild. And it was very. Before I actually got to work with him everything leading up to it was extremely stressful because Chris lakes to be very secretive about his projects. And I understand why he does that. I and I think it's fantastic people don't know anything about his movies until they walk into the theater to go and watch them. So it's it's all for the audience and I- kudos to him. But holy crap. When you're trying to act under those circumstances. It's crazy town. He never told me what the movie was about. He wouldn't let me read the script before I walked onstage or walked onto the set. He sent me the scenes that I was in to my house on red paper because you can't encase you can't photocopy red paper or something or upload read papers. If something to do with red paper that it would. Secretive? So we sent these sides to my house. But it didn't say which character. I was. So I'm reading them. And I have no idea what any of the scenes are about. I don't know what it means. I don't know what the circumstances are. I don't know where it is. I don't know when it is an nothing, and I don't know who I am. So I just memorized. Everybody's lines. And then I flew me out to Calgary where we were shooting. And I thought right. So when I arrive I'm arriving the night before all they the night before you shoot something they send out a sheet. And it tells you all the people that are in your scene, and what your character they play. So I found out the night before which character I was supposed to play. Okay. Great. So I know that and then I find out who's in the same with me. Holy crap. Justify testing Casey Affleck toe for grace, and I said, okay, you know, what all will hunt. Those people down at the hotel were staying at and ask them what this movie is about. Why I'm talking to the driver. And I said, so do you know what's rooms these guys are staying in because I really need to speak with one of them. And he starts laughing. He said, oh, none of the actors are staying in the same hotel. Everybody's all split up. And I'm thinking, of course, they are. Okay. Great. So I'm not going to talk to them than it before. I'm like, okay. Well on the day. I am in the very last day. So I will have the whole day to go and find someone and get them to explain to me what this movie is about. Well, ten o'clock in the morning. I get this call I'm in the shower, and I my phone is going off the hook in the hotel room. Like, are you in the lobby are you in the lobby? I sit in the lobby vitamins was they said, he's he's gone really fast today. I sit him in the last scene of the day. I know I know get downstairs get downstairs were late. So I the car and they were walking us the whole drive. They kept calling and is she here. How long is it till she's here how long until she's here. So I wasn't even inherent makeup or my costume. When I went on to the set to do the blocking which means a little rehearsal of the scene. So I didn't have time to talk to anybody. Not the hair person, not the makeup person. Nobody. And I asked the person driving me, do you know, what this movie is about? And they said, no we. The. So I show up on set, and, you know, casually walked by John Lithgow and Michael Caines over there. And oh, look there's Matthew mcconaughey, and then go in and there's Jessica and there's toe for and Casey and. Rate away. Chris comes up to me starts pumping my hand highly. Thanks so much coming. Great to have you here. How you feel in your you? Okay. I'm freaking out. Just looked at me. Like, I was lunatic. And I said I have no idea what this movie's about or what the scene is about. And he just started to laugh he said oh Leia. That happens when people work with me, he said. And you told me a story about another actor that this happened to one of his Batman movies. And we all had a good. Well, they were all laughing. I was dying inside. And then he sat me down. And he took all the time in the world to explain what was happening and explain the movie and explain the scene, and we just talk a couple of days trying the scene every which way it was like come. Just a catch kept saying it was like shooting the Indy with a massive budget. He was so free with the way that we acted and the lines that we said we did so much improv and tried so much stuff. It was one of the most glorious acting experience does I ever had. So it was almost worth all the stress in the beginning. We see what he's like on the outside. Right. So I get that chance to meet with him. And he's going through the whole movie. Do you see why he's special does that resonate? I know especially because I see what he what he produces. Right. So you you see the demand that we don't see. But do you as a professional as an actor as somebody? Who knows what she's doing? Do you see like, wow, I get it? Now, I get my this guy is special. Well, I think personally, I think he's a genius. Of course. And I think that his movies are special because they are all him. He puts together these incredible teams that know him and what he wants inside out an upside down. And there was no distraction. He doesn't allow cell phones of any kind on set. He doesn't like to have any thing. That's not involved with the movie in his eyesight. In his sight of vision. So even the transport trucks bringing actors back and forth. There's a specific times when they're allowed to come in because he is one hundred percent immersed constantly in the movie and. When you're acting with him. He knows what he wants. But he gets these teams together that can give him what he won't aunts. And then he gives everyone free reign. I don't know if I'm explaining that very well. So he puts he takes a lot of time to put together these teams. And there's a reason he uses the same actors all the time because he knows that they will that they understand his language in net. They understand what he wants. And then he lets them just go because he trusts everybody. And it's just like magic onset. Does that make sense at one hundred percent those it's? Clearly, like, he uses Michael Caine absolutely makes sense to me. And I'm not an actor. So I mean, yeah, he likes the team of people around him that understand his philosophy. How he does things. In other words, they connect with him without him having to really always explain himself. They kind of feel where he's coming from without him having to go over an explanation every single time. Is that what you're saying? That's kind of what I'm saying. Yeah. He's like the Daniel Daniel day Lewis of directing, right? He doesn't acting. Yeah. Right. So if he doesn't do any movies. So you know, what he does one? It's going to be special which is shocking to me because people don't ask you interstellar. And like, I said, it drives me bananas. But I have to say I have to ask you this. I think you said this my record right now is not so good with things that you've said, but I think said you didn't like SCI fi it I like it was for you, the language and terminology. It was frustrating for you. Right. Yeah. Well, when I first started auditioning for SCI fi shows because if you don't watch them. And all of a sudden, you're given the whenever you're given a part of a script is called sides. I've said sides a few times and realize people may not know what I'm talking about. So you get given these sides before an addition, and it's just a scene or two. And if you haven't been watching all the episodes of the show, you have idea what they're talking about wanna drama, you can figure it out pretty quick. But in hi fi show. I mean, even battle star, I F T, L drives. And the Dreyfus I showed up on set. I had no idea what either of those things men task another actor. I'm like what what's a even silent. What's what's the Ceylon? If you've been watching the show. How would you know what a silent is? So I found it really difficult in the beginning to wrap my mind quickly around the zone on raw. And I clearly wasn't doing a good job of it. Because I was auditioning for scifi shows constantly because we do a lot of them in in Vancouver. And I was failing miserably, and I had this moment of I hate. Are dishing for scifi not doing it anymore and pulled my agent that I didn't want ideas from for anymore Saifi. And thank God. The next words out of her mouth were. Okay, fine. I get that. But you you do have one for battle star. Glad to get you need to go. Thank goodness. Thank goodness. Because had I really given it up before I got battle start, and I probably wouldn't be in an actor today. Really? I think a lot of good stuff came to me because about all-star. See that's where I think your travels with hope. Right. Because it's almost like learning. It's almost like being bilingual, right? This these words are all like made up, and you don't know. What would I wouldn't? I don't know if some of these words, and I'm a big fan of galactica. So it's having to learn new terminology, which I get your frustration. It's absolutely frustrating. Yeah. I think you know, now with technology. It is so much easier because all the staff anytime, there's something I don't understand Google it. You can see YouTube clips everything's on Netflix. You can watch a few episodes of show, but back then you couldn't do that as easily as you can now. So it was a little bit. I was really going in blind. Which is never a good feeling when you're an actor going into an audition. You should never be doing that you. It's so weird. The before I asked you one more question. What battle star is that? I saw the clothes that you've used in shows is for sale on EBay like how? Straighten. You're not the only one I've seen close from like The Shawshank Redemption. I think that's just so weird. How weird in a bad way? I mean, I'm I'm somebody who collects autographs and photos or not. I mean, I'm a geek is well, I get it. But I just think it's kind of like, I don't even know how that process would even take place. Stuffing on on very. Yeah. The auction a lot of the stuff off, and I stupidly didn't take my flight suit from battle star galactica. I constantly kick myself. I had I don't know if I've told the store I may have publicly told the story of not sure, but I think. Tried to keep the secret for so long. But. It's not secret anymore. I was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis. During the last season about star. I became very very sick. And the MS that I have, thankfully, it seems to be the kind where you only have one bad episode because I've never been sick again since I got better. But I was very very ill for about five months. Maybe I went I had double vision so bad. I was basically blind. I was paralyzed on my right side of my body. I had to look ahead. No use of my hand from my right hand for months. And so at that time, I was working on battle star galactica and sanctuary and I had a movie that I was supposed to shoot with. Kevin Sorbo in Buenos Aires, and I had to bail on all those jobs and battle star was so fantastic. They said, well, we are going to give you as long as you need. We're gonna throw racetrack in the Brig writer out and a few can come back for the very last epic. Ellen f we have an idea for race track. And I had to be by the end of the day. I had to be carried on and off the Rafter. I was so weak and heat made it worse. So they very kind a God a big ice bucket for my seats to keep me cool, and they hacked off the legs of my flights. Dude. So the it made them basically into shorts. I had kind of like short Romford thing. And at the end of the day. They said, we'll do you want your flight suit? And I looked at that thing that why would I wanna legless flight suit? I don't want that. And I said, no keep it. And I went home and years later, I was at a convention in Seattle in this lovely gentleman came by. He was a doctor at the children's hospital any said Leah I own your flight suit. And I was thinking no, you don't mind guys, no legs on it. And I didn't know what to say to him. I'm like, we you're an actor. I he spent a lot of money. I bet buying what he thought was your flight suit and just smile and fake it just fake it. And he said, well, you I have it with me. I already knew that he thought he had it there. He had put it just play of all the costumes at at the convention and someone had told me, oh, they have raised trucks flight suit. And I swear I had already been prompted about it. And I thought oh, that's such bullshit. There's no way that my flight suits actually here. And he said would you like to come and see it in my heart just song thought? Oh god. God don't let them know that it's not your suit, and I saw agreed to go and look at this suit. And wouldn't you know, I took a look at it. And they had sown the legs back on. There was seems at the knees on both sides, and I dead serious. And I burst into tears I started to cry. It was such a wonderful moment being reunited with my suit. Because I only ever had one. I wore that suit. That's all I wore for all the years. I was not show that one suit, and it was really truly my suit, and it was such a really special thing. And so him being a doctor. I said listen. Did you want to know why those seams are there? He goes, I could never figure out why they would have seems there that just seems so bizarre. And I said, I've got a good story for you. And he's like oh mystery solved. But I've heard that he is. Now, he sold it. And it belongs to someone else now. Oh my God. How were you before? I ask you one. Final question. How are you doing with MS our house? Life bid for you. Have you been managing it as has it been manageable for you. Yeah. I only ever got sick. The one time I had been perfectly fine ever since the weird. It's the weirdest thing. And apparently, that's the thing. Apparently, there's a big group are small group. Sorry of MS sufferers who just have one episode single episodic single episode something something. Yeah. So I'm doing great. Thank you for asking. For those that don't know race track is an absolute icon from battle star galactica sheet highly hot, she's one of the characters that people love just to put it in a nutshell. You have to promise you before. I let you go. There's not going to be third time where you say, you know, what I'm done with acting, please. Just not a third time. You're you're staying right. Well, I. It's always a hard thing to say. I mean, I haven't worked in a while. And I think that every actor goes through whenever we don't work for a while. Everyone gets pretty panicky and wonders if this is it so hopefully, hopefully, I book something again soon that I really really like, but. Who knows never say. Never you got to hang up your shoes at some point. I don't know nothing. You're not because I have a lot of directors that listened to the podcast in. I will not let them cast in a person without looking at you because I think your body. Hey, you quit the second time and who came calling right? You're going to quit again since it's gonna knock on your door. That is true. And the fact that Chris Nolan picked me at a everybody that I dish for that part. It keeps me going on a regular basis. I really do have to admit I thought I think they only cast to Canadians on that whole movie. And I think we were one of a tiny handful of people that had been nominated or won an Oscar. So it was a big deal. And I love your work. And and you how I feel about you as a human being her name is leeann Karen's. I can't thank you enough for coming on the show. You let me harass you into coming onto the show. You're so kind of getting an hour of your time. I'm so fortunate to have you so much leeann, oh, it was really my pleasure. We used to look up in the sky wonder and our place in the stores, just look down worry about our place and then dirt. Go for main engine start team, minus ten we must confront the reality. That nothing in SOGA system can helps. Nine kids professor along. What are we going? A you. Trust me seven. Talk to six need to fix this. Five main engine start. Can you told you're going to save the world? Four. Three d country like clear to. The children piss one. 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Trevor Moawad: Co-founder and CEO of Limitless Minds | #ThePlaybook 139

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Trevor Moawad: Co-founder and CEO of Limitless Minds | #ThePlaybook 139

"On this episode of the playbook I have Trevor Moaad the CO founder with Russell Wilson and seal of limitless minds and we're GonNa talk about the importance of a positive mindset as it relates to business and sports and the best piece of advice Russell Wilson has ever given about being neutral join me for all this and more on the playbook. This is entrepreneurs the playbook each week. I bring you some of the greatest athletes celebrities and onto Kim us to talk about their personal and professional playbook to success and made them champions on the field and in the boardroom. I'm your host pin. CEO of Sports Marketing David Meltzer playbook and I have an occidental alumnus. That's my school so that's what I'm reading up. Trevor Mo- add who is partnered with the Russell Wilson in limited this mind also of course the CEO and founder of Mo-. Oh add consulting. Is that correct fantastic. I want to start somewhere because people think there's only these traditional jobs in sports. Yes and somehow both of us. I went to this division three school that let's play sports. Yes you basketball and soccer yep. I'm a tremendous football players. You tell but yet we we've found our way into these jobs professions that so many like everyone in the world would have partner with Russell Wilson or Warren Moon Right. I mean that's that's an and I I wanted to be. A professional athlete. Just didn't have the skills. How did you maneuver yourself with the skills that you learned at oxy and the graduate school to Really Facility your first job in sports that entry point yes well. I think the the idea of being a good challenging schools you know when I was in Seattle. I went to a private school. Charles Wright Academy where I was always over index by people that were are brighter and more intelligent and and it would definitely be the same when you kiss from Phillips Academy and and all the all the school sidwell friends and all those places so so number one. I was constantly stretched academically in the environment that I was in. I think when I went to Occidental the ability what I loved what about oxy was. It gave me a real well rounded so I did theater music. I was in the Greek system. You know government as well as multiple sports sports so it it just gave me a really well rounded approach sports really seriously so when I graduated from oxy I actually wanted to keep playing soccer her so so I tried to play continue with the professional soccer and and also be a high school teacher so I was a teacher in La a unified school district and the decision to become going to education to get my master's degree and play another year where I had eligibility which is kind of a weird decision division vision three right yeah so it all the time but coach coach weadock really helped me get a graduate assistant scholarship so I could stay another year and do the Education Nation program and so that decision would get into teaching after teaching a couple of years you know major league soccer launch and know all of that was going on my roommate. At the time got traded to the Miami fusion my significant other we were hiking up an angel's crest and Pasadena and got chased. I buy some gang ritual and we're both kind of ready to get out of. La And you know Los Angeles is phenomenal if you have money but in don't it's like Manhattan it's tough so that teaching moment I would would end up going to Florida to teach and coach and and two years of teaching a coach and I went to a clinic at the nick voluntary. IMG Academy Coaching Women's soccer and men's and women's golf and I really had had no right. I feel bad for those that I coach go for but that brought me to a clinic for the Athletic Coaches Association and you know I had been raised uniquely. My father was a very successful motivational speaker and educator and one of the original contributors chicken soup for the soul and so I had this but he was more in the business world so had this education in my mind and then I was sort of an athlete in school well rounded and then I was teaching but when I went to that first clinic clinic in Bradenton Florida and I saw Mark Dagan the great trainer who would found Athlete's performance next train and then I heard jeff troves the director director of sport psychology for Nick Voluntary. I was like that's it so I have the athletic background but I see this job that I didn't even know now existed right okay so this is this is two thousand so I write jeff a bunch of letters. I introduced myself. He knew my father but I didn't need an internship. I I was already working so they gave me one. I slept on the floor with the tennis coach want their summer. First Week. got offered a job probably just like you dave in the sense that I was like okay. What's how do I get a job here. So there were eight interns in the sports psychology department. They were all there to get educated. I was out to get a job so so I realized I had these three hundred and fifty dollars packages and if I could learn how to sell them and you had to make calls each week to prospective people coming in so I made one hundred fifty calls sold twenty packages. This got offered a job at the end of the first week and that's how I found my way in this weird mental conditioning sports psychology world from education. I'd never taken a Sport Psychology College Class Twenty eight thousand dollars a year. That was my step. It's amazing because both of us have this unique perspective of okay. I see do things differently and when I'm listening to the story it's like okay so I moved here to do this and there is a lack of traditional fear of I'm supposed to do yes yes and I grew up in a household where it's doctor lawyer failure if it right into Occidental right the king of feeders graduate schools right you know nobody's going to know your college college but every graduate school knows Occidental no question respected it yes but I was going to talk about how freaking hard it was. Thank God for President Obama because at least people know the school right yeah in a in a couple of others right up there for riders Jim Mora Jack Kemp Ben so Ben was coming coming out when I was coming in so I see Ben filmed scenes and he was dating a girl that I was in this musical group with so Great Guy Matt Casey Affleck. All those guys were down there. They're all really good. Good got a unique place but somehow a lot of people that went to that school or in general you see things differently and I tell people all the time we'll say to me. How do you become a sports agent. I said should I go. Should I go to LAS. Let's just be honest. The guys who are sports agents in women now what would they need to do is number one. You've got to learn to get a client yes into keeping yeah. That's all it takes the law part. You can hire a lawyer yes but the guys were very women are successful agents. They not get clients and I saw things the way that you did from the very beginning of my career. I said how am I going to make a lot of money. Actually reverse engineered Tulane law school because I want to do is make a lot of money and I said well what job pays the most law school oil and gas litigator who has the best oil and gas school in the country to lane and that's why I went there right and then I took the job in the Internet because it paid more than being a real lawyer through that process you have to be qualified right and and so now it's one thing to get the job but you really don't have the particular background which creates resistance for some people. They won't go forward because like I'm not prepared agreed. Why did you feel qualified or confident that you could do it. Well I think first of all from the age of four I was raised with this sort of weaponized in psychological expertise right. I would probably say even at school oxydental. I had like a forty-five. IQ relative to other people but but ox Occidental valued traditional elements like grit and courage and toughness and grind right so I recognize denies what might take Dave thirty minutes schoolwise would take me four hours and I didn't judge it and I wasn't mad that it didn't take me thirty and I accepted that took me four hours so so when I would get to g academy. I knew that was the NFL for me now Z. They're gonNA make it or not make it and so the it was the most crazy the educational environment so I had a really unique understanding of how to communicate how to help people find that next level you know and I had been raised and I and I was always the captain's award and I was always most inspirational. I was a good soccer player at Occidental and in the Skyhawk back but basketball was just hustle play defense and whatnot so so I think the skill set was there. The opportunity was what I was waiting for and then you're entering field that nineteen years later still is not a field right so there is no Tony Robbins and sports are are there some jobs yes but who really has relevance and I think what you were seeking what I was seeking was relevance. co-community always talk about your seal but are you relevant it right so so. I wanted to be you know I wanted to get to Brenton about want to be relevant so the first step was learn how to do the job so I had under fifteen girls under fifteen boys under eighteen girls under eighteen and I had the soccer academy in the Baseball Academy. I didn't have Russell Wilson. I didn't have any of those people but my mindset was be good where you're at you know frosty. Westering the coach at Pacific Lutheran University said make the big time where you are. I think for me that that was really critical and because you can't wait to be good so you can do an NFL team ultimately I would. I would be good in that level. I would move up in Bradenton a you could have one hundred kids from Venezuela for an hour. Okay then you could have one hundred fifty soccer after players from California the next hour then you could have eight professional young tennis player. Sharipova vied is over all those at the next point then and you have sixteen baseball players that are in the Minor Leagues Sixteen I mean the various was all over and everybody's problems were relative so that fourteen year old soccer occur player. They felt the problems the same way that that professional baseball player would or twenty. CEO's from Sony so you had all these different skill sets and then you you had a very unique hypercritical population so once I got to Bradenton I it was social darwinism and I knew I was in a field that wasn't a field but I also knew that I had a value proposition that could be useful and that started me down the road and then you know we started we we had Tom Cotton and Ken Kramer and I was able to build relevance with them. I by picking up guys at the airport and then teaching them how to take the Wunderlich you know and then once I saw there I said I think I could also help him run faster you know just in terms of their mental approach in the night before and different types of things and they let us do that because we done a good job with the Wunderlich and my my business partner the time has Chad Bowling. Who's now the director of sports psychology mental conditioning for the Yankees in the cowboys so so we're like one of maybe five or six people that have this type of job but it all started at twenty five twenty six just hustle and picking up people the airport. Nobody wants to sit in an office right so I if I had to meet Cam Newton and a walmart so be it right. If I defy Warren Moon you know first class or find a way to send your David Clowney a private plane and that's what it took to get bus cook and whatever I was going to find a way and I think that that's where I've while I have a mental conditioning background ground. I would see myself more as an adviser and somebody that can solve problems in a way that helps my clients. you know get better in the Pacific victor tip particular area that came to be held for one of the questions I get asked all the time from running Lee Steinberg and exposed to so many different athletes and executives in this yeah yeah like we are you know why did I partner with Warren Moon and I'm very specific about it because his weaknesses are my strengths. My strengths are his weaknesses and we fit together. I and I really respect is integrity and other things that he he's about. There's a spirit of excellence about Warren that I see Russel Wilson for example. What what was it with all the people that you surround yourself with you decided to partner with Russell in Your Business in obviously he's a special person but what was it what about Russell that attracted you to part with him. Well I think at eighteen years you're always GONNA get opportunities to partner with athletes and what terrifies you about them is the relevance window so so quick yeah. I mean they're going to make tons of money and have an opportunity to be ubiquitous relative to people knowing who they are at Cetera and and they're going to have a million social media powers to my like eight to all those things can teach more but but but I think you know Russell was the living breathing embodiment uh of of what I had been trained to teach and when Russell I came to Brayton's and Florida he was with thirty six other guys and us with Tannehill and keithly and and Bobby Wagner and all these guys and he was by no means the guy now as agent mark Rogers and I had a great relationship and we worked on players before but the first ten minutes you meet Russell you like this cannot be real right and I'm sure in in a very similar way when you met Warren where you're like this is incredible and then but over the course of the eight weeks back who who you are speak so oddly. I can't hear a word you say right. The world is driven by behavior not feeling or emotion the behavior savior that Russell had in terms of how you wanted to get better and I had had brees eleven years earlier so we just spent a lot of time together and I'll never forget after brain enough to the pro day. I'm up in Seattle where I'm from route. I lived in the south half my life but I'm from Seattle. I'm meet them at Red Robin in Seattle and because I'm visiting my family and we spent a couple of hours and matt. Flynn just got twenty five million dollars and he's like I'm going to beat that guy out and I was like come on Broeck. You know that's one step at a time. Go from the Jackson out and then he's like look. It's got nothing to do with him. It's got everything to do with what I'm willing to do and he had this is confidence about his preparation about coach care about the opportunity in front of them and sure enough you know he starts as a rookie so I think but but it's interesting you look Ed breeze and Russell there eleven years apart so there's a lot more Erin Murray's than Russell Wilson's and so it's fascinates me because because no one's ever asked me what I think about cuyler Murray right and I'm uniquely prepared to understand what that journeys like for someone five eleven or under yeah yeah right and I would put every odd against him you know because I think of what drew and Russell been able to do heights a real thing in the NFL you know you're much better off looking like Warren or cam where Andrew Luck right or or any of these people and how he's been able to do it what is incredible so partnering with him made sense because he was the living embodiment of the maximizing of human potential and real understanding adding that we don't have a margin for error right so russell knows his life starts at five in the morning football wise and ends at nine at night so any life beyond that starts at nine to one PM and ends at four fifty nine am and he doesn't judge it. You'll never hear them complain about what they have what they don't have and what we call a neutral thinker. He's not the fake positive but he never goes negative. He's just the truth yeah right and if the truth is this happened but but it could be different you know one way or the other what I do not how feel determines it so it was a natural business part. I think the second things strategically as as I don't think I have quite the strategy of efficiency I see you have but learning Seattle's tremendous business community right and you got somebody who's who's talented capable. Who's an entrepreneur and his older brother was with us the night before the first Super Bowl and works out a huge pharmaceutical company and said how come we Dale Carnegie and none of us. Get what my brother gets. That's why don't we get the trending gets and and we started thinking about that. I don't know you know because we're not teaching positive thinking. We're not teaching mindfulness. We're not trying to meditate those all have value Dave but they're complicated and athletes thrive in the simplicity so Russell's built around neutral behavior and this idea that there are no choices choices in allusion when you set the goal. I won't be one of the best I won't be one of the best agents I want to be one of the Best Presenter Keno Presenter Tomorrow Carl. I want to be the best that running a business partner with the best owner surround myself the best then now you've limited your choices to a very finite set of behaviors and there's nothing wrong if you don't do them but average people become average through average behavior not average aptitude and I think Russell has really good aptitude but I think his behavior so so far ahead of his aptitude that it's pulled his aptitude up to be really successful phenomenal last question do all the experiences dozen people that you've coached trained learn from in business in life. Have you seen a common thread ray part of the reason I do the playbook book yeah. It's been extraordinary for my career because I really have honed in on this common thread of what it takes to elevate your vibration frequency. You're talking to more complex of an unconscious competency and things that I have to lower the vibration to explain but what do you feel are the common threads grads of those people that can be extraordinary. I think it's a it's a conscious competency more unconscious conscious competency. Let's see where you know in. You know that you know. I think it's people that have a really good understanding of of what it takes for them to succeed and then they set a plan on going out to do that and I think that that's what what I've seen a a real awareness of what it's GonNa take for them to be successful whether that is Tim Cook or Joseph Cy or Russell so Wilson or Dave Meltzer or Warren Moon or Cam Newton or you know and then I just think aptitudes apart of it you know I I think the mind is a piece but in my years years around coach Saban Coach smart coach Fisher they're really really they have gifts in the half talented they have they have grit because you can't just work through everything thing right but the the the the great opportunities when you have a talent and then you work to maximize it and so I think success leaves clues and it. It can't be coincidence that what Jim level did when the ship blew a two hundred and five thousand miles away and Tom Brady down twenty-eight three was the same very neutral. What what can I do as opposed to what can I do right. It's the same words but a different approach so I think that that's I think that's kind of what I've seen and I've been really more blessed and I'm sure you've said the same thing I've learned more by far than the people I've been around and in the same way to Occidental where I was way over indexed. I feel the same way sports world in the business world and then certainly in the Special Operations World so nice wait if you're you're in a room and you're the smartest person in that room. You're in the wrong room. I've been in the right room with this one. It is extraordinarily talk about the same things things I do. In different verbiage so imaginative calmness I tell people to go back to center which is a neutral position right and it's an extraordinary way to experience a flow that has that conscious unconscious consciousness right that difficult to explain and motivate others to do could talk to you all all day in which is very cool and we'll have to do this again. Absolutely just you know to oxidized that somehow manifested a career in if you're looking out there appeared to have a career in sports. You don't have to go sell tickets to the Angels Games. There's many ways to get involved in inspire other people enjoy the one thing to you know when you're at the neutral these guys enjoy it. I'm I'm for him to eleven PM. I don't believe that work activity. I get paid for and I WANNA maximize but people look at me and they'll say you work all the time like do the. I just enjoy what I'm doing in my mindset is I'm GONNA force myself to enjoy it before or I'm actually going to execute on it right and then I can do it all day long. It's an illusion like you said agreed and we're living the best illusion you know I mean I'm six seven seven days. A two of the places I went were friends of mine to speak to their son's high school football team very across the country because you know at the end of the day you know life it's about giving and sharing and and and and so I think I've as much fun talking to high school teams. I'll do being on the road with the Major League Baseball all team this week and then go with the Georgia Vanderbilt. It's all the same because because again what's our next level. And what are we doing to get there so I I I love the playbook and I think the goal is wherever I'm at right now. you know you don't need problems to improve your own. Greatness should be your impetus for improvement. 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Episode 74: They Call Us Constance Wu

They Call Us Bruce

1:16:52 hr | 1 year ago

Episode 74: They Call Us Constance Wu

"<music> hello and welcome to another edition of they call us bruce an unfiltered conversation about what's happening in asia america the u. and i'm jeff yang and we are so excited for gas. I know i say that a lot but this time it's it's literally like this is a a conversation we've been wanting to have for a long time <hes> not least because we have so much respect admiration and love for our special visitor here <hes> and and the person we're talking to and about is constance wu constant sir. Thank you for having me here. It is great to have you here in our garage studio and i gotta say it's like <hes> there is so much that has been swirling around you literally the last eighteen months. Your life has the transformer again right in so many different ways <hes>. We've known you guys you you for a long time. I wanted to sort of jump out and say like you no looking backwards from where you are now. Can you possibly have imagined all the different ways in which your life is is different now. I don't know you know it's funny we we. I have known each other for a long time but i don't think we've actually known each other. This is because i keep pretty private and like when i'm on sets i try to <hes> conserve of my energy in such a way that the last of the day has enough energy as the first take the day so i kind of keep to myself a little bit have i. I don't know it's funny because i don't feel like much has changed because i haven't changed that much and i haven't led a lot of things about my life changed that much i mean i think when fresh off the boat i came out. There was like a month where i was being invited to like crazy parties. You know all this kind of stuff and i did it. I participated in it for like a month <hes> and and it just didn't hold my attention. It doesn't mean that it's not like cool for some people and other people by get excited but it just didn't hold my attention like i. I prefer to like you know go to would dive bar with my friends. I'm just more comfortable that way and so like yeah. Even though things have changed the most noticeable changes have been <hes> the opportunities and i'm getting and also like you know i get a lot of free stuff you know <hes> which is really fun at first when you get like free makeup products or whatever <hes> but then like. I'm very averse declutter so after well. It's like it's a lot so i just send it. Send a lot of it to my friends in virginia. They're cool. We get this free stuff. It's we're being recognized even right. I mean that's something which you know of course hudson <hes> has had to process as well just like people picking out from a crowd and just saying hey come over here. Can i take a selfie with you or something. That's there's a certain. There's a certain fundamental sacrifice. One has to engage in when one is in the public. I i mean it's tough when you're used to just being you. I imagine yeah i mean when people come up to me. I mean it's always wonderful because they're always like excited. Ed grateful or stuff like that. I mean there have been times like like a few years ago. I was like crying over something with a friend and we're like having tacos and unlike i think it was crying over a break up or something and this guy comes up to me and i'm like oh i guess most people don't cry in restaurants but i do feel like in situations like that. It was a little bit like okay. I'm kinda like in the middle of something and it was very apparent that i was like motion but i mean it's it's so nice and moving that people like that it means so much to people was never anything that i thought whatever happened with my career and i'm really grateful for it. I have not yet founded obtrusive. I mean i have been getting some weird stock. Hurry kind of things and i remember when i tweeted all that stuff like casey affleck like i got a lot like rape threats and stuff like that <hes> and that kind of stuff is a little bit. That's definitely not as pleasant as somebody being like such a fan yeah but i don't know i try to just like not think about that kind of stuff too much. We'll we'll talk a little bit about about the journey in some ways i mean because he started start out in on the east coast and in theater and then from there you know how did you actually was was your move out to l._a. Because of fresh fresh off the boat or was there some other now i'm citing moment. I'm definitely not a person who plans ahead or thinks of the future. If i did i it would not have chosen this career again very much like an impulsive in the moment kind of person who doesn't think ahead which i think my tweets will probably show doc. It's just how i've always been you know in terms of that. That's that's a gift in acting sometimes it's like because when you don't plan how you're going to say your lines and you just let the moment happen to what makes your performance is a little bit more alive and surprising what's really cool in life. It's doesn't always behoove you <hes> but i yeah so i started out doing community theatre and then i went went to a classical acting conservatory and i really wanted to just do classical theatre for the rest of my life and so i went to new york and i was always auditioning for plays going to e._p._a.'s as he sees and <hes> reading backstage do regional theater and i would do like region shakespeare productions of new plays workshops of new plays but it was really hard to get like a paying theater job <hes> and the inciting incident of megan l. A. was was boy breaking up with me. Yeah like this guy really love and you really broke my heart well. There's three things it was like within the course of two days. I was fired for my waitressing job. <hes> my boyfriend broke up with me way out of the blue and then my roommate who loved said that she wasn't renewing the lease because she was moving in with her boyfriend so the opening scene of rom hong kong romance with and like i said i'm very impulsive and so i remember being in my apartment a mint in the east village and on my laptop crying over like this boyfriend the job that i loved and <hes> the roommate that i loved all on on just like fuck it. I just got it. I remember looking up london. 'cause there's good theater there and looking at ballet because i'm like oh i could do stuff there too and then i quickly became discouraged scourged by london because i was thinking of like i don't know visa kind of. I just didn't understand that kind of stuff this week for brexit even like like i don't i can't i can't i. I can't even do my taxes so like i was like. I impulsively just bought a one-way ticket to l._a. L._a. with this well it's even crazier it because i bought it for the wrong date yeah so i was like at that time you know i briefly did this speech language pathology program that was doing which i also ironically did for a boy. Another boy like i started because i was this is not the boy that broke my heart. This is another boy who had been dating and it's like super in love with him and he kinda didn't wanna be with an actress. He wanted somebody with a more stable career and so i was like oh willie like this. Let me try. Let me try to get this post bac degree and so i was still in that degree even after he and i broke bob in the night did this other guy and he broke my heart but i wouldn't want to finish the semester right so i meant to book the ticket for like january but then i accidentally booked it for like november or something and i didn't even realize it until like two days before the flight that was like nick all right you ready for your flight booked us for the wrong. This is how not responsible. I am <hes> but in a way it's like a lot of that i saw like incredibly like colorful and mix for just just all my choices of based out of love love heartbreak or heartbreak or spontaneity right. It's almost like you know breaking breaking down. It is like breaking down a rom com right but but in this case <hes> instead of london was l._a. And then you just picked up and moved and did you even know anybody nobody out there. Was there any sort of like yeah no yeah i always like. I had no idea what i was doing. I had an agency because i had agency in new york and they had like another <hes> <hes> branch here. It wasn't like a huge agency but it was. It's pretty good and i got here and then i actually the first thing i did was a play. I did a play here that i saw in <hes> in the audition. I forgot where i saw at one of those trades but it was went over and i played the rents ya <hes> gosh speaking about rape because that's what the plays she she likes she gets raped by likely and then and then she like starts an uprising of her whole village against these like oppressors. It's kind of like an insane awesome play <hes> but it was it was such a shock because i did that play and i'm so used to being in new york with like these like theater people who are like so passionate about any project project even if like it's just like a workshop of new musical or something i just remember. There's one rehearsal where we're all like. The actors are playing the scene. Were all in the village. Square right ends one of the after spills his phone in the middle of the scene and like you know the actor job lines are like acting out in the director stops and it's like <hes> <hes> i'm. I'm gonna use a fake name. Let's as jeff. It was jeff. Do you have your phone right now and b-actor said yeah but i i don't have lines in this scene and i was like in my head. I was like you know you're on stage riot and it's just like if fell a little bit like <hes> people liked theater but it was something that they were doing to bide their time until they got t._v. And movies which is very much the opposite of what what i am had planned on doing with my life than i was here. Already is like super broke also when i when i bought that ticket after the heartbreak. I didn't even have money to buy it. I was forty thousand dollars in credit card debt. I just put it on the credit card. Look i wasn't i don't like this. Is why mcdermott stay there. There's some alternate world homeless lake constance wu. That's like greatly oh for sure but so but you managed to like <hes> you know through sheer your determination paid the minimum minimum <hes> survived and i guess and thrive i mean how long did you actually actually spend on at that level of like doing theater and then you know well auditioning what commercials and stuff like that didn't survive during theater. I didn't make very much money at all doing theater. I survive with my waitressing jobs which i also like reilly loved and i was fine doing waitressing for the rest of my life to a supplement. My income and i don't understand sometimes when actors are like as long as i'm not waitressing unlike happy and like there's dignity and service jobs like i don't wanna wanted to mean those kinds of jobs like i had a great time and there's a lot of beauty in <hes> in service <hes> and i think lots of people if not most the people there <hes> income doesn't always line up with their passion and that's like totally cool. Why do we think it's an exception acting i. I was always going to be an actor even if i was still waiting tables. When i was fifty i mean i managed to like not do that and <hes> but i like if if i had to go back to waiting tables next week i'd be fine with it. I mean other people would make a big deal out of it but i don't know i think there's dignity in every profession i mean so yeah. So how long were you doing sort of on that level until i guess that's like four three and a half for years that i've been in l. a. and i had done. I actually had never done a network pilot like i hadn't even done a guest star even been an extra show do on a network so i really was like zero to sixty in that sense. I mean i had done some commercials so i understood like stuff like how to read a call all street. <hes> you know what i done. At that point i had done one guest star on star's show and identify few sundance movies <hes> two of them done in new york and then one of them. I did ya called santa. My voice funny connection written marlene who wrote and starred arden sound of my voice went to the same high school said he won't yeah they went to high school together. They know each other. It's funny. Hey did i mean i don't think they were like super close but then you each other and they were cool with each other in fact i just talked to eddie like we could go and he was like you. I just saw brit a few weeks ago and i think they actually hadn't even like seen seen each other since high school. Wow that's funny funny kind of connection but yeah i mean i was supplementing my income with waitressing and with a little bit of babysitting random random random question i the high school who is who is the most famous person for who graduated from your high school that you know it's even if it's not you it's not fair for me because i actually went to a school which did have like a number of super famous people come. I will say yeah jennifer connelly right <hes> mike d from the beastie boys above me. <hes> you know all spike. Lee's you know family and kids. <hes> went there and then a mia sara from i just saw was at westfield century city and they were playing in like the sort of center <music> from my high school. <hes> i know like the most i think the most famous person from like my town is an i can't believe believe i'm forgetting his name but it's the guy who created breaking bad create a skill. You're right. I think yeah he didn't go to my is school though i and like i i think my high school has a few like famous athletes but i don't really follow sports that much so i don't know that and then i think there was somebody who like was on american american idol like like was like wanted like the final people not season one like one of the later. She saw some trying to think who else just laurie me uh-huh oh my gosh. Where's he from california. Maybe he's a west coaster. I can't believe i remembered his name. Honestly i'm actually actually a little deep cut. I mean i'm actually kind of guessing that constance. You're probably the the the person who in in high in your your high school right. Now people like we went to the goal. Yeah i mean i guess oh yeah. Let's just see but what a steve jobs. Oh okay you beat us. Jobs wozniak were both they both went to my school yeah so so it gets into that movie called steve jobs. The one that <hes> that michael fast bender was they named my high school in the in the dialogue. Wow wow i used to be my high. School has a wikipedia page. They have like a list of notable alumni and you're used to be. I use the burn bad back on it right after this competing anybody anyway sorry. I just read that question like on twitter and i was like oh. It's a funny. That's a funny question. I thought it introduced here anyway. Well i mean it. It also speaks to the weird alchemy in some ways of like notoriety notoriety or fame right. I mean you know one of the things which <hes> has always kind of blew. My mind is the pace of careers here. How like some people oh it was literally overnight other people's work forever before you get to overnight stardom right and i mean i guess in this case especially being asian american and i mean we talked about this a lot right. This is the industry the create stars right. It doesn't feed on stars. Invents stars and there's no reason why we couldn't had giant box office draw asian-americans. You know the very early days of hollywood there were such individuals anime wong long and accessible heikkala right who is considered the sexiest man in america but hollywood has to make that decision and it sort of feels like in two thousand thirteen twenty fourteen a lot of things started to come into focus or alignment and and you have to be in the right place right time but also you you happen to be incredibly talented and in a way because you i mean you were a fresh face in some ways i i wonder whether or not that wasn't part of what the producers are looking for. I guess somebody who fresh off the bow fresh off the boat. Yeah i don't know anything about where anything came from because we are story was so random and you you you cast after or gresson was cast. After i was cast yeah well it was randall and then you and then they started looking for kids everywhere right. Yeah i mean i wasn't immediately like i think i had i'd on dishes like in the fall and then they were like oh no. You're not right for this like. I didn't have having like this is this is one of the ironies valda hollywood which it doesn't necessarily have to think asian. Were there like oh. She can't carry your show and i'm like because she hasn't done it before right so <hes> which is why you know a lot of people getting in as a kid 'cause they don't expect you to be able to carry show you learn as your kid but if you're an adult sometimes like they are good actor actor but can they carry a show. They can't carry a show and so they didn't. They didn't really do <hes> like i didn't call back i think at that point and then i think they just went through a lot of auditions and then they called me back again like split a few months later <hes> and <hes> just again then another call back in the night did screen test with <hes> a few really really talented women who were great and had way more <hes> like tea experience i had i think yeah hollywood would make stars. It is not for lack of talent. I think it's for lack of imagination and i think it's for lack of effort but i also think <hes> <hes> artists needs to take ownership of their worth and even if somebody tells you that you're not able to carry a show you kind of like yes. I am but you've never done it yet but i could do it like and i like. I got this and it's not even like i hope i do. I think it could do it like i think i i mean when i mean i've been committed to my car for so long. It's like i know in my bones what to do how to do it. What i think is good why i think something is good. What i'm i'm going to do in terms of within the scene within like the ark of the episode at the arc of a show like these are things that i do do not because i'm a hard worker because i'm not but because like this is like this is what makes me alive i saw fucking excited like me and my acting acting coach will sit down together and we'll like breakdown part and will start getting absolutely giddy because we're so excited because we'll be like okay so like she says is this line here like what does that mean may be like what are some things that might have happened in her past and then when something clicks and it like drops into your god like we just get it's the most fun so like even even when i'm like on my highest week some fresh off the boat. I still go to acting class with like other people who are waiting tables and trying to just because it's so much fun. It's like it's the best thing and so we think when you have committed yourself to that and you know your capacity. It's not yeah you see hollywood's an imagine nation so it's just sort of a waiting game. It's like all right. We'll catch up. You know what i mean like. I'm not i've been the same person all along people think like like oh suddenly like this wave has happened. I'm like i've been. I've been this person along a lot of these other actors. You don't have haven't had communities. I've been blessed with they're still capable of carrying shows <hes> even though people tell them so one of the things which i've i've said ed hudson i mean he has had a lot of learning to do over the course of six seasons to is to watch carefully a certain things about the enormous talents that he's surrounded by i and in particular with with you <hes>. I don't think that i've seen anybody who's more sort of thoughtful and reflective about choices right. So you know you talked about how it's like. Oh it's instinctive. You're sort of going with your passion but when you ask questions i the question to ask of the director or of the writer and so on so forth you know they're. They're more. They're provocative. They're not just sort of like shabby looking this direction or ever right right. You don't just wanna hit your mark. You wanna make a performance alive. I mean that's the thing with specifically being an actor. This is white so fun. It's that it's that balance between discipline and abandoned so that's why i say being in the moment so they the thing that we talked about with my acting coach which is like the discipline. Is you build up. The life of this character almost like you're building up a mountain right but then you don't then you throw it away. You don't think about it because you don't want your performance to be static what you do is you ski down the mountain and and when you ski the mountain takes takes you like the wind might be blowing this way they might be a tree there whatever but you've built up the core of this life and you ski and whatever it takes to even if it's something unexpected like even if you're in a funeral scene you start laughing. You have to lean into that and trust that the mountains going to take you where where it's gonna take. You and i think sometimes when i have these questions like i'm never likes sean look here. Should i stand here because that's the equivalent of trying to hit. Certain certain beats on the mountain and then. I think your performance has become kind of static. You want the character to surprise you want her to speak. Speak through you and sometimes if you're not clear about a direction just that little bit of clarity can like build up the part of the mountain that you're gonna jump off of. I think it's pretty clear like you. You're in this for the craft and the art. You know people love to make fun of me for that. I know i know you're kind <music> and i'm just like it doesn't mean i judge the people who aren't in it for the same reasons. Just i found the way that works for me but some people think that's like a threat and i'm like just works for me. It doesn't mean it works for everybody. There's some people do not take it as seriously as i do and our wife often better than you know what i mean like it. Just it's just what works for me drives hi it's me so but we both know like honestly like being on something like fresh off the boat and the time when it came like this like that go on top of that instead of just instead of just like the craft and the and the joy of making something like unfortunately you're saddled with being like on this like sort of that everyone i swear every journalist who would fresh off the boat when it came out was was required in the first paragraph to talk about how it was the first show in in twenty years right for asian american can family shows in twenty years right like required and you know. There's all that sort of baggage that comes along with. I must say baggage but whatever you wanna call it. It's not happening in a vacuum responsibility ability yeah and i'm wondering how like can you think back to the time when it was coming. We we interviewed on our youtube. Show back then like i remember we're thinking like like this is so fun but i wonder if i was thinking more in terms of the kids like how they really. They're just having fun. I don't know if they realize sort of the are they didn't get. I didn't have for but then but i'm wondering if you had if that if there was a moment where that did hit you like oh shit. This is not just like getting this great job but it's also like there's there's a lot of people right like ah yeah just looking at you and being like what does this mean. There's like one crystallizing moment people trying to find like one inciting incident. I mean it's definitely really something that i going into it. I didn't really think about i mean i leader not lead. I treat all characters l. dish and four with the same amount humanity. I treat them as if they're lead characters even if the piece doesn't treat them that way i treat them that way and i think when there is a lot actually think when a lot of people got mad like a lot of people are upset that my character had an accent and stuff. That's when i started to realize i was like oh i thought i was just like playing somebody who was an immigrant and like but this is touching some nerves and and i i don't want to say like it was like a privileged like really awesome to go through that because i do believe that i'm not sure that's the right word. I mean but i like i've really i'm not like somebody like you jeff who has been talking about this and you're very knowledgeable on the subject like i was. I'd never really knew that much about it. I was just classical theatre actor for higher and you know in in shakespeare often it's kind of his colorblind because for some reason with classical texts sometimes there's that i don't know why but like it's it's for some reason it like transcends that sometimes when it's classical classical texts with distance of time makes people feel like there's more blessed to stay in the character setting. It's something i don't know yeah. It's something like that but but was really it's not fun but enlightening for me was that <hes> i got to learn as i was going and i love that because you learn learn about these people who are upset or why they're upset and like the more you learn about people the better you are as an actor because you just think about humanity differentiated forms your work in a way that makes it richer which like really gets me fucking pumps and you know sometimes these interviews they will give you the questions in advance dance and i like never wanted to look at them because i'm like. I like thinking on my feet like that's kind of fun for me. That's why like even this interview you're like. Is there anything that you want. Steer away from unlike no. It's just let's bring it it. No it's fun to think on your feet. That's a conversation when you don't know where it's gonna go and like you discover things about yourself about the topic. That's fun so let's see that well so on that note. I mean you've been skiing down. This mountain fresh fresh off the world man six seasons. That's a long mountain to be skiing. You know and you kind of alluded to you know some of the the kind of craziness that has surrounded you know like social media recently and it might tweets about yeah. You know easiest plane. They need a little bit. Let's talk about it because when when this went down it was kind of like all anybody could talk about at least when i was out people i was hanging around with this. This is like back in may i may i was at the i was at the asian american film festival so that's all people were like i was at this party. That's all we were talking about so i wanted to. I wanna what let's just talk about this tweets. Let's talk about the renewal the show that prompted that tweed all that stuff wasn't there newell it was the loss of another that i really wanted to do and <hes> and i mean i mean you've seen me on the show and you see like i love the people on the show and i love of the kids and i love randall and a lot of fun on the show and i i like it a lot. <hes> i think somebody who wrote something that like it's like if you had to go so if you were going to your your sister's wedding but then you got free concert tickets for the same date it doesn't mean you don't want your sister to get married. It just means like fucking bummer and like i'm a i just didn't think people were paying that much attention to which i should have known because casey affleck tweets that they had like a few years ago but i i don't have a very good member. People will make a headline about anybody's tweet talk anything about. I guess they're just an no. Oh and i was just being really it was a moment of heat where i was like really upset that i was going to have to give up <hes> actually two different projects <hes> i i didn't think about the ramifications because i was just being in the moment and is being reactive and now that i understand the ramifications not just because the criticism of me but because of like how like i felt bad about how it affected like hudson and the kids and i i know at like at that first photo shoot. We had <hes> coming back like i talk to each of the kids can have second talk to you and i just like. I know that there was stuff. That happened to my tweets and i want you to know that like it's not reflective of how i feel about you. You were the show but like and i'm sorry that it puts you might have put you in a specific because i don't know if it did or not but i assume that it might have been like if you wanna talk about it like i would. Let's talk about it and <hes> i've give you parenting props because hudson was so gracious and kind and compassionate and he's like no we get it like we love new constance like your and he was. I mean he just like it's. It's gonna make me cry like right now like how kind he was. You know i will say say he's really good. He's a good kid when he can rise to the occasion. I'll say that and say he has been a very very vocal. All you know kind of like hey layoff you know when he you know he's even heard people. You're searching. Hey so what's legs like. I don't wanna talk about that. You know consciences. My is my mom. Basically i know and and i think that that's actually something which you know often does get <hes> lost in these conversations that just as much as you may not be aware. You're a personal thing that you might say on twitter's by hundreds of thousands or millions of people they also forget that there's like a human being on the other side hyde who is acting like a human being and i've seen you know so much of of you just on the contact in the context of the role not just how deeply you're you're committed to it and you know in scenes where you don't have to be. You're really giving one hundred fifty percent. I mean i shouldn't say don't have to be everybody should be giving a hundred percent. I i told you know it's like there. There is something that people are missing if they're not in the family in some ways and <hes> i don't know it was it was very complicated on many different levels but it also shows on perhaps in some level that yes everybody can. They'll make headlines out of everybody or anybody but the fact is for the last like four seasons not a lot of people in talking about fresh off the boat and all of a sudden. I'm seeing more people talk about it than ever right like again with the next six the next season see what happens whatever it was like <hes>. I guess there's those things badly mike lynch. The internet is not a place for nuance or complexity. Yes like it's yet yet right the relatively new right so yeah i mean i could clearly understand and why people even i'm like oh. It wasn't about that. It was another job. People are like receipts. You said this and i'm like yes. I can hold two different feelings at the same time. It's that's the thing that happens but it's not a thing that happens on the internet right. It's just a much sexier headline. If it's like one strong opinion and i think yeah it did go in the press because it was like 'cause i'm i'm in a really lucky position right 'cause i lead both crates petitions and frithjof all these amazing opportunities and so i think people were like they perceived it as ingratitude which first of all people don't like a woman to have especially a woman who is in such a privileged position. People were just like you were able to do this thing that nobody's been able to do and my grateful right right and i am grateful for that no but but here's the thing i am grateful for it but like the thing about that is rather than like demanding my gratitude. Let's look at what i'm supposed to be great before. I'm supposed to be grateful for the fact that i was loud too. Play an asian american character with a fully human experience is that if you look at that should be reflection on the hollywood system that should not have been historic that should have been normal aw all along and so when somebody says like oh. You're you're so lucky that you you have this thing and like 'cause. It's never happened and you. You should be grateful for it. I'm like i am grateful but like my my first instinct is to be like hey hollywood. This shouldn't have been historic so what else you got yeah because none of us i mean. I didn't think it was going to be renewed. That's why i had <hes> sort of planned this other job which was a play ironically <hes> where why wouldn't being paid like anything i would have been paid like a hundred bucks a day but it was a plant really fucking loves <hes> so but then because our ratings were low like according to mathematics yeah historically. We wouldn't have been picked up so i thought we wouldn't have but then. Some people made the argument. You're the only asian american aircon t._v. Show it would look real bad to cancel it and i was like well looks bad that we're the only one instead of just like holding onto your token show. Why don't you make more shows and once they will. We tried with this one player but it didn't work and it's like yeah but how many like pilots were. They're out there. The season that we're led by you know straight white men. They're probably at least dozens so don't pat yourself on the back for making one or two and saying well. You didn't get picked up so what we still got this one. It's it's like i'm i am grateful but i'm also like hey guys wake up more make more opportunities for more actors. They've reached. It shouldn't still be the only show a network tellers. It shouldn't be the only one that's ever reached syndication but it is or and here we are right and i mean one of the things that is challenging about being first out of the gate eight is yes a recognizing the fact that there have been generations of people for whom it could have happened to or for and who didn't get that opportunity because shit hollywood is racist. That's right the the second thing though and you know it lacks imagination but i think it lacks specifically imagination when it comes to anything outside of its particular killer comfort zone right and when we were talking about like i while the second i look into the future right and now there really is kind of a huge proliferation of opportunities that feel you like. They're finally happening and more. I think there needs to be more well so let's talk a little bit of a craze and you know what what that inside it because in in some ways that was like the hockey stick moment for it feels like everybody like we're. We're still in this in the throes of hockey stick sorry registers because they come up towards the pug. I i saw from thirteen. Oh man i mean it means the point her for you sort of go from from flat to sort of suddenly starting to elevate going vertical right like a hockey stick and <hes> <hes> everything is learning the the the <hes> but you're at the center of that as well and and <hes> i mean you know not that was without controversy of its own but creations situations did seemingly you know it was like a lightning strike right. Also some people are like oh look. Asians can act and be funny and love and stuff yeah. You know what was really concerning me at that time. Is that a obviously when you're the first of something in quite a long time you're gonna get a lot of your projects going to get a lot of attention for that. I kept thinking about said people are like oh finally asian american representation and i kept thinking about the people for whom creations it didn't represent their voice and how it must feel for them for people be like oh you have this. You're good and this is good enough for you when they really didn't represent anthem just like people before as eurasian sing like oh you have crouching tiger hidden dragon that represents you and i'm like that's actually a very different experience than mine you know <hes> <hes> but yeah like and i'm glad it happened but i'm also acutely aware of the fact that for some people all the attention being in put on that and yet it being a story that did not represent them whether it's people who just aren't like any of the characters in that or like south asians or or any of the people who were not awed did not feel represented by how that could probably instead of being good could make them feel lonelier you know and that's actually why chose to do hustler's next a lot of people have been saying like oh. Why did you choose to part like hustler's and i think they expect me to be like oh. I wanna do something sexy. Blah blah blah like but at the time i was like i really wanted to do a project about loneliness and when you see the movie you'll see like destiny my character. It's really about her. Loneliness and i think that it's <hes> i think loneliness is really pervasive right now <hes> because of social media and because of like political polarization and so i think it's it's <hes> i think we need stories that like i don't want to say de stigmatized loneliness but show that you are not alone in your feelings of like feeling alone and and in being imperfect obviously destiny is not a perfect person but she also didn't really have much of a shot. She didn't come from privilege. <hes> the the woman who it's based on like destiny's not cambodian-american but she is you know and it's like having parents who were like you know refugees from the khmer rouge i mean that's lega talk about inherited trauma you know and like what that could do to a person and like i think definitely has a lot of mistrust trust issues because of some of those type things and that's why she's lonely and when you see the movie it's all about like she doesn't get involved in the scheme to make money johny although on the other girl says she gets caught up in it because she gets excited about being a part of something like feeling like family she gets caught up in that and then when she he starts to realize the implications of it that's when shit hits the fan but really it's about loneliness and <hes> that's why i chose that project act. It's not the sexiest thing to say. It's not what they're advertising but when you see the show i'm moving to the movie. It's about friendship minutes. If you look back at the roles chosen especially the what's your most identified with right is very clear when i said about the thought from us reflectance at angle of it that you gravitated those parts of those roles amplify parcells rolls that feel closest to you right like just did not have to be just wrong is today you created that role not from the page but from something inside you like like the spontaneity impulsiveness that kind of transcends sort of the you know the role as it was written as as a word that sort of sense of leg anything can happen with this woman and that's what people i think really gravitate towards when you talk about destiny here and say fundamentally this about loneliness. I feel like it's saying something about you. Know something you wanna. I say about completely i really wanna talk about these kinds of things and you know there are people who go into acting as they wanna like be like the superhero play the cool a person whatever my favorite actor is more often was filled. I like to explore the parts that are not. We're not proud of you know like i. I think that that's where you find the humanity. I don't wanna be cool. I don't wanna be sexy in parts. You know i'm a person with an ego so in life sure i wanted to be cool but but like in terms of like what i want to explore as a character i want to go to the places that actually take a little bit of courage to show in terms of like 'cause they're. They're embarrassing or shameful <hes> <hes> because when we hide that part of ourselves and it's like like a fungus in the dark gets bigger if you don't put a light on it so i like to put a light on it yeah. That's try to build that character just because it's a honest because it's more fun for me. Same thing with crazy rotations like yes. It's a rom com. It could just be like a cute thing but like i read this and i was like what is the opportunity to make this part have not just the beats of raum raum combat have it lives in like fucking bones my thought about like oh. What does it mean. This characters never been to asia. She's asian. She's asian american. There's this feeling when you up in as an asian american worry. You're not you don't quite fit in and so i thought like oh you know what rachel for the first time she thinks like maybe i'm going to go to this place. I'm gonna feel the sense of identity and then when he gets there and she's so bullied and she doesn't find this thing that she's been seeking for seeking her whole life and that she thinks that <hes> this will be yet then she has to do something actually similar to what i had to do not in terms of being asian asian but in terms of my work which is she had to find her sense of self and home and place within herself she had to create it and i think <hes> also as a woman say i am enough like i am good enough that can be a controversial statement for a woman to own her worth. It's more like oh who me me all like i'm. I'm going to apologize for my even existence or like oh. I'm only here because of a._b._c. like no. I'm here because i should be here because i'm a person of substance and i i am a human who deserves deserves to be on this earth as much as anybody else i will say that you know that that theme of like being enough right it's pervasive in each of the different characters i that i've seen you play and i will say that you know even within the context of the larger conversation with society right. The question of like are you enough are doing enough you know. Do you fill the whole that we've carved out for. You is a lot of what it feels to me like you've been challenging in some ways yeah from our perspective concerts. You'll always be enough <music> but <hes> you know. I think that <hes> it actually tees up pretty well. We wanna talk about the second hand yes so this is a good time for us to take a break but when we return we will do do our favorite segment the good the bad and the w._f. 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We're back in in a newly renewed soundscape in that we we've opened the garage door just because it's hot as hell recording during the day but we're back for our favorite segment the good the bad and the w._f. Jeff yang would you please lay down the rules of engagement. I will indeed the rules of engagement. <hes> are familiar those guys who've been listening to this show for the last seventy episodes or so. This is a round table segment where we talk about a topic three different ways. It's topic three ways. The first way we talk about it is the good the positive the thing that makes us happy in warm inside about that thing the second one we talked about it is the bad the things that frustrate us or four okay. There's a car the surgery surge i._v. And then he parked in front of the house just like literally idling to draw the good of a home studio but okay so the bad you know the things that frustrate us irritate us and rage us about a certain thing and finally the w._f. Which is you know doesn't have to either good or bad. It can be anything but it's something that keeps us puzzled a little bit. He's a surf asking ourselves. Why what what's the point about this this thing after having a little bit of conversation with constants we thought the topic we wanted to address here was the good the bad and the w._f. Of breaking stereotypes hypes and it's kind of funny because like we talked about stereotypes all the time and breaking them. I think it's rare. We talk about there being a bad side to breaking stereotypes yeah but i think things you hear about that as well so we can also participate whichever whichever way you think <hes> spacious fun because i don't really plan these things. The playoff came with things to say i'm like oh. We're going to play okay. I got to think of like. I don't have like outline outline plot points but i know how i feel. That's important thing all right well. Let's let's do that then. We'll we'll all time and then. I mean you know i will. I will conjure something up <hes> to start and then we'll <hes> or actually usually go we go with the guests i right so the concentration lead then i'll go and then give as much time as possible okay yeah that sounds uh-huh cards so the good the bad the w._e._f. Of breaking stereotypes so the good thing i mean the good thing feels like it's the easiest one but their complexities even that we're talking talking about the good bright but good yeah the good break in terms of representation. It's very good <hes> because historically asian americans americans have been portrayed in a very narrow set of <hes> archetypes. I guess jim amanda negoti talks about the danger of a single-story right and and she talks about that in terms of like a good thing but also in terms of like stereotypes the danger of a single perception of away to be asian american can be very <hes> <hes> flattening yeah one that but is often talks about is <hes> you know asian american men as sex symbols are as romantic figures acres in we haven't really seen that until like a crazy abbreviations and how like what implications that has representation. If you think that like oh in order to be capable of inspiring love you need to look a certain way but even in that sense. I think i mean henry. Golding is a real treat to look at these. The full deal is really. That's a motorcycle. That's henry golden now but but i think the same sense it's just like we also need stories about asians who are not as beautiful as henry who are capable of inspiring love. I mean we have in terms of like white. Heroes we had like the you know the nerdy guy who ends up getting the hot girl so it's good that we have some but i think we need more and this is sort of what takes me to like the bad or do you want to go into your good around or goods and then we'll jump into the bed. Okay yeah go into your goods. I absolutely agree that. Even from the representation standpoint breaking stereotypes has this basic value of humanizing people right. It's like you don't see me just for the three things that you think add up right the glasses you know <hes> the haircut skin color whatever right you see me as a person and i mean i will say it's like one of the things which i think is really is is what led us to want to talk about this topic for the good bad w._f. With you is because i feel like so many of your roles have in about complicating you know sort of shattering stereotype complicating them some ways right and for my perspective. There's this added layer. You know as a writer. It makes her better stories. It's not just like about representation. I feel it's so much more interesting to see you know denser thicker richer portrayals of people because people can't dismiss those characters anymore simply by saying oh that's the blank character yeah and it's not just asian americans have any status bad writing as bad writing right so for me the good about breaking star really is you know jostling away knocking away of of this perception that you can get away with shorthand in. I'm trying to describe human beings even in small roles philoso- let's clear out the frown with your take on what is good inherent value of breaking series. I mean i <hes> i think <hes> i wanna talk about breaking stereotypes within the stereotypes right so i'm talking about is something like something like jessica wong right and everyone will see if you just saw the pilot like pegged like oh. That's a that's a tiger mom right and a lot of people jumped on that as i challenge anybody who has seen her arc over with the course of all these seasons. Maybe go like you know what she's kind of a tired mom but like the problem with stereotypes is that you only saw one episode that one hour or the one yeah yeah whatever you know somebody yeah. Some people dismissed it with the trailer right at the very first day of the tax right because you had an accident you know and so there's there's the stereotype that we all hold up as our asian stares at the martial arts guy the monk or the tiger mom or the nerd. There are people who are like that. It's just that the sort of the breaking has to happen when we were when we sort of like create fuller more colorful pictures like for instance like right now. There's like a ton of like martial social arts martial arts content. Actually starring asians and i think a lot of people would dismiss it offhand being like like oh. I don't want to see another. Show about another. Marshall is here but like you watch any of them. Actually right now are feeling a lot of them are like really sort of centering asian-americans like creating pictures critic like world around them and like this is something we never really got to see. It was just like asian. He was just getting chop left and right by a white hero. Yeah that's the other thing i mean sometimes in some ways owning a stereotype is breaking the stereotype because you're taking away from the people who have exploited <hes> or or otherwise yeah right like appropriated from you right well. That's why i think if we're going to segue into the bad here we have to actually and define the parameters of his game in terms of what you mean by breaking off because traditionally that for me when somebody says that it means doing the opposite of what is expected affected so instead of being the math nerd being really bad at math. I'm like doing a bunch of drugs and it was interesting to me. I think like for example. I'm a stereotypical actress. I'm really emotional dramatic all these that is true to me and if i wanted to break the stereotype of being a stereotypical actress i could become this stoic. Take a person who doesn't fulfill these qualities but that would be at the expense of repressing what is honestly my natural self right and i think stereotypes sir <hes> harmful when they reduce a person and i think that goes to your point about like how i've just along has cracked open stereotypes because has i think yes she is she does have stereotypical tiger mom qualities but she isn't reduced to only that but i think what i always always thought was a little bit harmful was when people saw the trailer and they pickled at the fact that she even had an accent because you know they'd been hurt by that before so there's like triggering like people made fun of them are assumed they were that <hes> tiger mom or whatever so of course i it's going to trigger them. I almost feel like because people like jessica or like a math nerd or whatever the stereotypes are because they've they've been reduced so much. They deserve stories more than the people who are actively like totally different because i uh-huh i guess how do is is. It's like it's like us trying to like. Quiet are people shedding light on our parents accents. It's leading. We have accents do it also but it's but it's like why are you letting somebody else's superficial ridicule of your parents accents matter more than your lived experience of them because because you do know your parents better than these assholes who are saying shit <hes> and it's because we're not the dominant culture and so obviously like when you're a minority and your kid ed you try to fit in not even with race kids just trumpet and in general like i get that but i think it's important to like play those roles that has been reduced and expand them and this is why often talk about like why it's important to have leading roles not because i'm like oh i have to be like this leading dealer or anything like that because i treat all my roles like leading roles but with in terms of writing leading roles are the roles that have the opportunity to open up those <hes> serta so just go along if she had been a side character in another show if not necessarily because it's bad writing it's because the show isn't about her. It's about somebody else and so therefore she's probably going going to come off as her most obvious elements and that is when stereotype is a reduction of a person and the thing that kind of just kind of gets my goat when like when i hear actors say like i refuse to play stereotypes because part of me is like as an actor to celebrate all human experiences and stereotype people are human human. They're human too and like we need to honor that an also like in terms of being an artist you need to have for a purpose that is more than a reaction to a system that doesn't understand you. You need to have a purse purpose that is independent of the fucking stupid cupid institutional bias. That's been around scott to be bigger that and i almost think that if you make your choices based in a reaction of something that isn't even accurate. You're almost reinforcing that system strength because it's so strong that it's made you make entire choices about your life that your life becomes a reaction which you know. We all have that like you know well. Traumas moore kim the yeah but that's a blanket same thing. I refuse to play this. I refuse to play that. It's like what what does that if somebody said. I refuse to play. A waitress was as a waitress. What is it. What did it say about how you feel about waitresses. I refused play a tiger mom. What does it say about how you feel about your mom. I'd i'd i think just like acting is all about honoring the human experience and think when you say stuff like that it can it can vary subtly be even more judgmental mental than the people who wrote the stereotypes. I bikes people wrote them wrote them because they don't know they don't know the experience the way we do so let's write them so that they do know what better rather than saying no i won't do this. I won't play this now. Let's play this. Let's be like no. You've got it all wrong. Let me show you how you've got iran. Do you want to go next film or do you want me to go okay. I'm so little bit formulating this one but it's fun right okay so the the battle of breaking stereotypes that okay so we've seen a lot of the news and i think a lot of like there was a lot of this around this aspect of crazy situations so that idea of of lifting up a sexy shirtless asian men right like and like that is up the ones who are not. I think that doesn't company. I think that i think that there's there's definitely like a historic back in a sort of like really deep seated in burdensome kind of thing that we are as asian men sort of having always have to fight against and you know like a <hes> sort of the the grand tradition of hollywood's of emasculation whatever you know so there is that and so those those images are definitely working towards breaking those stereotypes. I i'm always a little bit. I'm getting a little bit tired of like every time there is an example this there is like a wave of articles about like look like we're doing to fight the historic masculinization of asian. I'm just kind of like who are. We trying to convince now like i. I'm just like we're here. You're like come in all shapes and it's just like we're making. We have to make a meal of this. A lot of people appreciate sort of the the shirtless this i certainly i do as well but it's it's kind of like like i love everything that happens in good fun like jumped on a a good hashtag every now and then like you know but then it's kind of like like i don't know who were trying to constantly have to convince you know. This is like what i was saying before about. People are like oh. You're so lucky because you've gotten these two roles and i'm like the fact act that my characters. I've played have been allowed to be full. Humans shouldn't have been storing so we keep talking about it. It's like oh. This is an anomaly so if we we keep talking about like whoa asian guys are sexy. It's like that shouldn't be news. That should not be something that so groundbreaking. Maybe the first time it happened. I in hollywood like i think you could notice it but like stop saying it is if it's something that some kind of a miracle it's not asian. Men are sexy. See men are sexy for different reasons. I actually really want there to be sexy asian men who aren't always like having a six pack. They're like sexy sexy because they're fucking like charming like bill murray's really sit. No he was really sexy but it wasn't because he looked like brad pitt it was because of a of a confidence of swaggers because of humor like we i won like that for asian men to that's not just like the shirtless honk unlike okay. I've seen so many ads like we all know that like any you can achieve those ads like but other other reasons to love asian than other than like having. I'm not against ads or shirtless this. I'm just saying i was just like we don't yeah yeah. It doesn't have to be like sort of like the centerpiece of every you know like of every discussion we have about this. You know i it's it's shouldn't be new yeah yeah it shouldn't. It's you know it's going to be news to somebody. Every time the whole breaking news agency in our sexy yeah absolutely is just as reductive as the original star of asian. Men are not sexy yeah so but that's that's thank you so much for saying that is totally not like some miracle. It's like they've been sexy. Besides just needed to catch up. Get some glasses. I have <hes> but yeah okay so i am totally down with that. I think that you're you're with <hes> <hes> sort of loosening that <hes> constance is just dead on you know we it's not about breaking stereotypes by creating once in a lifetime lifetime miracles that seem to sort of <hes> be exceptions to the rule as posing the ruled memory existed to begin with right yeah or the stoop the rules dumb ass yeah. I'm gonna actually take this into another direction because i think there's something i see in our own community. <hes> which is a lot of times people still i think to this day frown brown on asian american or asian performers depicting roles that are seen as shameful right at either because they're evil or because they are are there you know they have <hes> bad character in some fashion. This may be a little more like my parents generation. Perhaps but i still see even within the context of conversation of like only rolls we get our. Let's villains right and i'm like you know what villains kind of rock is. You can do villain right. It is the best role in the movie right. I mean ah thinking about like jeremy irons in reversal of fortune for instance. That's the only performs anybody ever remembered. Every every you know super dark super complicated super interesting performance that i can actually just conjure in my head almost always somebody who is labeled the villain of <unk> film and i i want to see us play these darker characters these complicated and yes ugly characters characters that are that are that make you recoil coil a little bit because that challenge to both actors and even to our community to look at the darker side of herself is something we really need and if you think about it trying frank to only wanna play the positive heroes is an is an extension of the model minority tate absolutely like also like i was talking about loneliness before for when you're only representatives are heroes and they don't. I don't know do things like hooper. Masturbate like it can make you feel real alone when you're poop in her masturbating like like let's let's have some people who are not just these like perfect gleaming model minorities like he could be the villain. They could be so many other things marvel. Constance constance has some notes for you. I don't know if you've heard this means. Doing simultaneous might not go their way. Yeah you know vigilant about the things i say spot all out. Let's say at the same time not very and i mean also goes along with what we've been saying. In terms of like sort of the i mean the i i can understand like where's people are coming from when they're like they just i want to see sort of like us in the most positive light because they're so few injector so few representations in general it's like well. I have to go for one or the other. It's like i'd really i'd like to see the positive but that has to do with the fact that the quantity so it's like we just need more because like if you wanna talk about white movie stars we have we have brad table or they have brad pitt but they also have seth rogan. Both leading men very different types are like i'm michael sierra like it's all and we had to choose between a brad had pit and now we've got the headline just bumped down now. But of course we probably choose the brad but the thing is. We just need to have all of it. We need to have the good the bad and the w. t. f. of character nice segue nice and we are now back into the last round. I want to leave you with the final word so i can kick off i haven't w._p._f. Right off the bat and this is more like when we talk about breaking stereotypes <hes> one of the things i think we're we've seen and we're starting to see maybe even more of in some ways is hollywood reacting to challenges to stereotypes stereotype by basically saying oh you know what then let's not have any of those characters anymore. Let's not cast asians or asian anymore because they're too difficult to get right right and i i myself. It's like you know when when the community or when viewers or consumers whoever whatever you wanna put lately question the the the work that you've done to say as a result you know what we're just gonna like takeaway taken all away. We're going to break. We'll take our baseball and run away. That's the worst possible ospel reaction to critique right and i feel yet told we find a way to give us power. Give an opportunity only somebody who actually does get it. It's it's ridiculous to me but we're seeing it happen where people are even saying things like we cannot do this project anymore because it's going to be too challenging the cast ask these roles in a politically correct quote way. If i ever hear god evatt geez it's combined bending and it is the biggest t.f. I've had conversely. I had a conversation with the off the record. I'll just speak in generalities but i had a conversation with casting corrector who speaking to this promises like well studios and people who are responsible is making the decisions rather than serve going into the nuance of like oc- can casas asas chinese person as as jab it can you can you do that like rather than like really go for. I'm like well. We can't do that at all. Everyone has to be has cast. A japanese person has has to be japanese actors asked to beaten. You're like well. What is like what like you know something like <hes>. We talked about this in the last episode but a._m._c.'s ted the tara infamy. You know that's the story about japanese american incarceration and it's like there's so much more power because you castle japanese right but if they hadn't i would have been like for the for the characters are all the characters will just mostly speak english. I would have been like. I can understand why you did that like made that that choice. You know there's but that's that's having a conversation about why we're doing this rather than just dismissing it altogether. We can't cast it. You know it's it's hard but you scared of this country but it's like nick. I mean just as an artist. Any choices made out of fear are usually not the correct choices to make right so if you like i am fearful that this will spark doc this kind of conversation so i will not make this choice. It's like no as a unique to investigate that fear and you need to like actually have some bravery bravery when it comes to that i mean and you know people gave randall shit for being korean and i actually think it's this is why i talked about the difference between like like asian asian cinema tv and asian american because obviously randall night because i am i mean he's merican screen american different backgrounds but what we share is the way dominant culture has treated us because we grew up in the same country and that is what fresh off the boat is about is about an asian family in america. I think if we were doing specific period piece in like feudal china or something like that i kind of get it would be like weird for randall the do it but it's it's like that is something that we do share as an experience and i think that's good. Actually it's like uniting to do that together. I kind of would like to see randall in feudal china probably do a very refreshing <hes> presenting he would degrade wrong yeah well so was that your w._f._l. Wasn't actually those oh you're saying. My w taff is is a w._f. Of breaking stereotypes is also the creation of new stereotypes sort of like or like or just being cognizant are recreating news <unk> serotypes or just being like aware of the patterns that like emerge and okay well. Here's what they it's only been a year. Since crazier changes came out like almost to the week right right right right so it's funny because i am reading the trades is your announcement of a new project. It's like an asian american romantic. The comedy or whatever people are alike. That's all we ever have is romantic comedy. I would've fucking movies have come out like honestly like i understand like success breeds of imitation and trends and whatnot but like you know i see people complain about sort of the <hes> the like oh we only have these limited limited like it's all just martial arts because there'd been a shit ton of martial art shows right now and then and romantic comedies. I'm like i'm like i'm okay. I don't think new stereotype heritage has been created because of this. You know it's been a year. It's just been one year and there hasn't really been that many. I i feel like we're not in a place that where we have to we need to like oh man and they're holding us in in ronkovics very no. I mean you have to understand people like do that. It's actually usually a whenever everyone whenever anybody says something like hitler something it's actually usually not about the object of their hatreds up their own stuff right and so like there is a scarcity here city complex with asians and entertainment and there is asians have been not treated great in terms of their portrayals so there is trauma are there and there are people who are triggered by anything that seems like it could have the possibility that it does to them what was done to them when they were like six years old and they saw in the media so like yeah i can completely understand people being low fogged no the broncos. We're not just that because it's it's really just trigger reaction from being hurt before and that's just going to keep on happening until the people who get upset set about that finally feel safe and that's actually going to take just time. That's that's just what it's it's going to. I mean the same thing like people gave gave me all the shit from my tweets and stuff like that and like obviously that doesn't feel great but like i know who i am the people on our show by hudson and the crew they know who like we're all cool aw but like people so up in arms about it especially a lot of asian-americans because what does it say if like the person in who gets all this opportunity and then they're like they seem like this like ungrateful bitch. It's this is people. Getting upset is normal and i. I think we should be allowed to express that just like minorities. We shouldn't always have to be perfect so people wanna hate on me and like say that shit to me like i get it. This could be one pitstop pitstop in their larger journey like hating me more or like or like hating you must do. You know what i mean like it. Could it's just it's expression and and i think expression is a good thing and it doesn't feel good if it's targeted at me but i if it's in service of somebody getting working through something i am one hundred percent for that and i support it even if it hurts me at times because i i am a cheerleader for people to feel better about themselves and that takes time and same anything with these people were like rule new the fucking room comments like wow you really. Somebody is really pigeonholed you when you were a kid. That's something small as this like makes makes you upset and it's like i'm. I'm gonna have compassion for you. That and i hope that like something does come along. That does not make you suddenly pickle yeah well. I think it has. I think it also is the impulsive that we came up. The term rep sweats. I think that's kind of that same. I think you know because it just it does come from a a tire lifetime of being like oh shit. There's asians like woodstock good. Is it going to be good is going to be like because we've been burned so many times that dog whose previous <music> owner used to like hit him and then something has really nice owner for the first like six months the dogs. I don't want to compare agencies. I that masturbated. Wow oh i got us. This is our best. Well okay so let's let's tied up with your w._f. On this <hes> you know ah i a lot of what we talked about already kind of like cuts across all the different strata the w. t. s. you know from your perspective again as an artist and somebody who's been at the epicentre part of a lot of this conversation. I imagine it's pretty you've got a lot. You know that you've you've had a puzzle over. I guess in terms of how yeah how the conversation stereotypes especially maybe his impacted you personally. I've learned a lot from it yeah and <hes> i'm glad for that <hes> the w. t. f. breath i think comes from the whole scarcity complex thing and they think <hes> because we've been so reduced in the past by hollywood and by representation. I think it's very hard to not try to gang up on each other because there's a perception that there's only one slice of pie and i think we need to be each other's cheerleaders. Even when we don't agree with with the way somebody is doing something that's the w. Two because i understand emotionally where it springs from how much more fucking powerful will we be if we like unite and make our own fucking pie instead of fighting. I'm for one slice of this. Private doesn't even taste good. We gotta make our own pupae. Mike american pie checking on. I can pie all right. I think the best. I guess it's better better than that's better than my tweet jag enough. Okay thank you so much for being on the calls. 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The Best Overlooked Movies of 2018 - For Your Consideration

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The Best Overlooked Movies of 2018 - For Your Consideration

"The following program is brought to you by your friends at podcast one. Don't forget to download our new podcast one out. Oscar movie to me is at one that came out. And it really got you excited. You want to tell everyone you met to go to go. See it you want to have conversations about it. It was on the movie, but it led you down different rows and different conversations. And ideas, that's Oscar movie to me and performances you'll you'll never forget the della printed in brain and in your heart. Hey there movie fans. Welcome to four your consideration. Collider videos weekly award seizing Kaftan to the Academy Awards taking place. Just maybe a little over a month and a half from now at the end of February two thousand nineteen joining me as always they are the highlight of my week. The reason for my system at the moment. Jeff Steiner Perry number off the eighteen when it comes to ward season talk, look at the great awesome faces that we are closing out two thousand nineteen ladies and gentlemen with a look not just at award season. We do that every week. But we're going to talk about movies that have for the most part been overlooked during a word season. Maybe got a little love here. Maybe they got a little love there. But when it comes to Oscar talk when it comes to Golden Globe nominations Sayaka aboard nominations. In most cases, a lot of these critics group. These are movies to have pretty much been overlooked in most cases, and we are going to show them a lot of love right now on collider F Y C. So I mean, Perry let's start with John. You love that overlooked. Okay. So this one wound up firmly in my top five of the year. And I love it. It might be the movie that I saw on the big screen the most this year, and it's love Simon. I think that movie was so so beautifully done. And Nick Robinson is fantastic in it. And I just loved this idea of taking things that feel like traditional elements of a high school romantic drama, drama, dramama-, whatever, but then applying a new level to it. I feel like it made that idea so accessible to so many people out there, and that's sort of the key to greater acceptance and understanding, and I think the movie just chief that beautiful feel-good movie to absolutely okay, Jeff. What's what's what's start? Starting your list here on my allowed to switch. We don't have a graphic prepared. Everything's prayer. Because we're hang anyways. I can't you can't you can go want to say, I guess since in our my less overlapped a little bit. I'm going to switch it up. I'm gonna go with the one hundred eighty eight highest grossing domestic film of the year. Guess what it is? It's stars Hugh Jackman, and it is Jason Reitman's the front runner, which is gross all of one point nine million dollars this year. Man. I didn't see this coming. I actually thought the front runner had a great trailer. It's a great role for Hugh Jackman his best in years. He's really really good in this movie. There's just so much to like about the front runner because this Gary Hart story, it's like it's started the tabloid journalism. Almost in a sense. Why? Okay. Why is it only one hundred eighty eight on the west of gross hot top grossing visit here. And why why isn't it getting this kind of like, you're the only person of really who loved this movie? I didn't I didn't love it. I just thought it was really good. I thought Jacqueline was really good. The script was tight. And it had that Aaron Sorkin kind of feel like I'm surprised this script hasn't gotten any attention. I guess only just kind of botched this release. But I think that when it does hit hit VOD or is available for rent you guys. Should check it out. I think it's also the danger of. Having your movie premiere at a film festival and not get award season buzz there. I look if anything you get the buzz, and then maybe it'll fizzle out. But if you don't get it from that starting point that's when you're dead in the water. I remember the first day of tell you ride. It was I saw let's see started with the old man and the gun then I saw I man which I'd like to hold on more than you did. And the third movie I saw that day was the front runner, which I didn't love. But I understand why you liked it honor stand why it's one of your overlooked films. My my main overlooked movie of the year, a move that. I've really did love movie that I thought had everything going for to get the kind of a war the tension that truly deserve is wildlife directed by Paul dano written by Paul dano with his girlfriend Zoe Kazan. This got three spirit work nominations, including best actress, Carrie mulligan, best first feature and best cinematography. I thought it was a lush beautiful film. One of the really I mean, maybe it's not my. Top ten but still is a very strong contender for one of the year's best movies. Talk about overlooked it. It's beautiful Lookie film. As a great score a superb. I wouldn't say it's probably the best performance ever seen. Carey mulligan gives she was nominated for her performance in education almost ten years ago. And I thought that this is her finest hour, and it was so so overlooked, she's fantastic. I agree with you. She's great. And it's a shame that we're talking about her more this award season. So it goes I mean, I feel like talking about a limited released like this it either either hits or doesn't feel like this one just flew another Adar what what's next on your list. Next on my list. I know that the award season and being overlooked for awards a little bit of a stretch with this one, but I've rigging adored bedtime that. They all wral I loved that story. I love that on samba, and that location that was one of those movies where I was completely invalid in that location. And was just so fascinated by the mystery. And usually I'm the kind of movie watcher where if I don't get certain answers. It frustrates me. In this particular case, I walked away with a couple of questions that I enjoyed having on my mind and talk about performance in Cynthia Haribo hands down one of my favorite shots of the year. Is that super longshot where she singing over it? And it's exploring the location so beautifully. I thought drew Goddard really did of very very solid job with his second feature following cabin in the woods that one was kind of a wide appeal success. This one didn't really do as well. But it might be one of my personal favorites. Eighteen twelve times at the royale. And, but, you know, watching it I could feel like, you know, what this is not going to make this is not a commercial type of acceptable movie. It's more could see it being more of a cult film. And you know, I love the way that drew got directed. The movie you watch one scene, and then the the next scene from someone else's point of view, which makes you just sort of reassess the movie the scene that you just saw previously it's challenging film. It's rewarding one amazing terrific on samba kiss talk about best acting on Somma abet bad times, the reality. But you're shaking your head shit. I thought it was an entertaining overlong messed from FOX. But guess what what a lot of people would say that about the next film on my list, which is red Spero Brett's. Farrow was awesome. I was quoted in the ads and I'm sorry. Nearly as much as Scott, maybe Scott man's wouldn't offer a quote that they use. Jennifer Lawrence was absolutely fearless. Our best performance in years. I love the mystery behind this movie. I thought it looked great affiliate like an old Hitchcock kind of movie Francis. Lawrence really impressed me with it. And yes, then me a horse school. I'll actually I had to tell you that qualifies as an overlooked film. Brett Sparrow was very very good movie. I don't know if it's in terms of its warts and prospects, but it certainly was overlooked. No one's been talking about that movie at all after kinetic like in March. Yeah, it's a very very very good film. Solid. Jennifer Lawrence is fantastic. Leaves it all out there. She goes for real issue really does absolutely worthy of being mentioned in this overlooked show over on my list, the death of Stalin directed by Armato Ianucci. He is the executive producer of the, and this is a film that I it is a. Very dark comedy, and it is a very timely comedy. Even though it takes place in the early fifties. What the title says that death of Stalin the cast is amazing steep of semi as grading this movie. And Jason ISAACs is superb in this movie. The screenplay is terrific. It is sharp sharp movie. It's just so. It's such a good dark comedy and a timely one as well. But I also came back I think of March, and it's not being talked about enough overlooked godly. I did overlook this movie. And I've got no good excuse because they made it so accessible to me too. It was just for one reason or another something kept getting prioritized. And that screener still sitting at the top of my pile right now while watch it you got plenty of time. Bring it back to New York. Really, should I? Well, that's that is the plan break that including many authors per your, dad. Yeah. Who I met at the press state by the way for bedtime? Your dad who's awesome. Awesome. Your dad's off you can easily win my dad's. L him. I said hi, well, you Bob, I said hi to the whole family gives them the gift styling this holiday. Next on my list and other gifts that I plan on actually bringing home to my family. This holiday season is the gift of totally totally there this actually fits the title of this episode of our seas. So because I think the movie is just fantastic overall and just the element of discovery as you go along with Charlene, Charlene, Stearns character in this movie and you start at scar. What she's really going through and how she's processing everything but talk about an award worthy performance. Charlene. Parents should be in. Maybe it's a very difficult year. It's hard should be cracking the top five and a lot of these nominations that we're giving out right now. But I think she should still be in consideration as an outlier, and it does not feel like anybody's talking about her. I completely agree. Hurry, mulligan rasmin pipe. They're all being overload pike detto now Rosamund pike. Choice stare at didn't. They get nominated for Golden Globes. So and she got nominated for best actress comedy, but it's weird because I don't see totally a comedy. I see it as regards. She got nominated. I'll take it and and Rosamund pike dick it nominated for for for Jason. Right. But what great year for Jason Reitman? But Jeff, I know you the front runner telly is the better movie. Both that these films could see Jason Reitman getting a lot off. I think Jason Reitman is a great director. I've always loved his movies, obviously, some more than others. I still think up in the air as best movie. But I agree with you. Totally awesome. What's next on your list? Young adult is my favorite Jason. Right. You're giving the gift of the death of Stalin the gift of telly what's better than the gift of children instant families. This is still in theaters or not. But it was such a pleasant surprise. Really? It made me feel good inside. It made me laugh in places made me crying places. I thought rose. Byrne was tremendous in this movie, really like Isabel is Bill moaner who are up and comer the month last month. A nice family movie. I had it in my top twenty this year to be honest. Let's I'll tell you instant family was not what I expected and that made it better than I expected because I thought it was going to be like at that. He's home gross out below the belt potty, humor, far, Joe moody, that's not with this movie is at all it is it is very for label. It is very it's a lot deeper thing. You would think of movie like this would be at has a much much bigger heart thing think would be. And of course, it is very funny rose Byrne, Mark Wahlberg great. And by the way, broS burn another overlook film this year. It's not exactly on my top lightning. Juliet make it. Absolutely. I know we don't have a photo for Juliet naked. But it is also and overlook film. Octane were really good in that movie too. They kind of provide the humor like when it comes to overlook movies. I going little like really sort of diving in deep and finding like really truly overlook. Listen instant family is a great example telly is a great example, red Sparrow, great example of overlooked films. But when I think of an overlooked movie, a movie that I saw Sunday it's back in January and a movie that I to start Ethan Hawke as director such an accomplished director with the smoothie and a great talk about a star is born kind of a performance from Ben Dickey, blaze bleeds, starring Ben Dickey as blades Foley, the country troubadour who died way before his time. Ethan Hawke directed this movie with so much love. It is lush beautiful. It is a movie that really stays with you of movie that hangs on the moment and. Won the special jury prize for acting for bent Dickey. And I thought this is first time he's ever really acted in a substantial role like this. And it is a terrific film. Ethan Hawke is an amazing director watch US Middle. See? But I I really wanna see it. I love the trailer totally missed it. When it was if it was even in theaters blessing because I did a couple of Cubans with. Okay. Well. Terrific. You got if you've got a screen or send it my way, you know, if you wanna get quoted, I know you fighting get quoted for each me. But you know, I think I am going to get quota for for instant family. So check that out. All right. This is probably the biggest swing on my list. But I want to bring it up because I know that this franchise has a lot of negativity around it right now. And this movie does something so fresh and different and exciting to me that I just wanted an excuse to talk about it again. And overlooked seems like it could be a possibility with all the competition at the box office. So I'm putting it out there again, go see Bumblebee if that franchise has completely lost your interest. Like it did me. This could be one of the most pleasant surprise you experience this year at the movies. I was so shocked by how quickly it won over my heart from the very beginning. Because a lot of the stuff that we've seen involving cyber Tron has completely lost my interest lately the opening sequence of this movie caught me in an instant. And then all of a sudden, you're with Haley Steinfeld as Charlie and that connection between her in Bumblebee is so beautiful and. Pure and all of that emotion enhances the action this to me was the complete package. I agree. I thought Bumblebee was absolute fantastic, everyone, everyone who has seen this movie, everyone that I certainly know they all sit same thing. I'm shocked. What surprise did not expect to like this? Ten some being about Bumblebee, it's so weird. It's deserving. I mean, if you if you like the model the formula of movies like ET bike like the black stallion like the iron giant, this movie follows that novel a girl and her dog type of movie, and it works, and it's funny as a lot of heart, and in the end, of course, it does have the action bumblebees terrific. I will do really well, I think people who have been burned by the last four fantastic for sorry. Four. Wow. How to get on that the last four transformers sequels will find themselves redeemed by Bumblebee, which is not only the best transformers movie since the original from two thousand seven it is by far the best overall. And it's not just the great transformers movie a great movie period. Jeff mex- movie on my list, sisters brothers. Okay. Speaking those. Okay. That was one of the DVD cover of sisters brothers. No, leave it at that. You should go. Look at it. Is it yours yet? I'm too quotes on it. And I'm on the bottom very good way to go. And I do love that movie. So I'm proud of it. Yeah. It was shock Audiard's today. An incredible job. I think the that's western I've seen in years. I love the cast. John C Reilly is fantastic in this walking. Phoenix. Jake, John Henry's off mid the cinematography is great the score. I just it was an interesting movie didn't really know what to expect. I hadn't read the. Book, but I really liked where this one went and enjoyed my two hours watching well terms best Western's, I'm going to go with the film that that got a little bit of love from the. The critics groups in terms of performance by Brady Andro. It's the right on the right or written directed by khloe Zahle. This is a real existential meditative film, Joey Brady Shanto place, a cowboy who has a head injury and trying to get back on the saddle literally and figuratively of really lush beautiful film, a movie that I saw at the San Francisco film festival back in April. And at just was riveting and and absorbing and really cast a bittersweet heartbreaking spell at Brearley state. With me the writer is is a is a beautiful film over this one. Thanks to this guy's recommendation, and I would say it comes down to personal taste for me more than anything, and I'm a little sensitive when it comes to anything bad happening to an animal. So I found that a little off putting off putting for me to actually say this is one of my favorite movies of the air. But there is no denying that the craft is just peak level across the board. Yeah. It'll be and my top ten this year close to me is the best up and coming female filmmaker that there is in marvel got their hands on her. Right. That's pretty impressive loved this movie. And it was one that I had to force myself to watch because I didn't wanna believe the critics. But you know, what they were totally right. Okay, perry. What's next? So this last one I wanted to put this on my list because I feel like anytime I find a new director that I want to get out there into the world and everybody to know her name, even though I'm not even sure I'm pronouncing it right still I had to put revenge on my list. And if you have a shudder subscription, you can go watch it there right now. But this movie was a really I I can't even call it a pleasant. Well, it's not pleasant. But it wasn't a surprise to me because everyone had been talking this movie up, and it took me so frigging long to watch it. And then Finally, I did and corley Faraday believe that's how her name is pronounced is the director behind it. And this is a movie with a whole it's a very violent movie with a whole bunch of very brutal set pieces with some exceptional kill scenes, exceptional makeup effects. But it's not just about that. You could look at this movie and see her style just all over. There's no doubt in my mind that nobody could have directed this story the same exact way as she does. And it just seems to me like if she puts that same precision and even respect for her characters to any other story out there. We're going to end up with even more great films from her not seen this movie. And is what's on that flex available on shudder right now shutter all shut streaming treating. Okay. Good. I'm going to take your advice, and this home to the manses jerking to bring home you might wanna push pas. Kind of movie, but I've recommended this Astaldi to the number offs on the right? A bit of a different thing. Pirate person Mathilde. This is like the perfect for the metoo era, by the way. Filmmaking is fantastic and those earrings her costume. I it's one of the most iconic costumes of the year for me those earrings. I would be able to tell you what movie they were. Okay. Wow. Yeah. I could see now. Okay. What's next year? Jeff, we this is our last one, right? More often, I guess number one for me, the most underrated movie the year as I tweeted earlier in the week America animals about. Barton's American animals was just a movie I saw more than any other this year. I think four or five times everyone I've shown it to has dug it it's about four kids who rob their college library of some rare books, but the way that it is presented and the mix of actors, and then the actual real people that they're playing interacting with each other in certain scenes and the way that plays with like unrelenting unreliable narrators that kind of stuff the editing in the movie is fantastic. There's such precision. It's it's just like you feel the cuts. I love everything about it. So please if you do if you if you watch one more movie before twenty eighteen ends making American animals if you don't like it. I will send you something in the mail to make up for the last two hours. That's how Jeff Slater guarantee. This guy is absolutely American animals is absolutely fantastic. It is absolutely been overlooked. It was at Sundance. I think it started. I actually didn't see at Sundance, but I did see after after September. And I completely agree. I think it is. It's a great heist movie, especially when nice goes wrong. Recommended it. So many times I will say the Jeff Snyder guarantee it held up there just guarantee if there is such a thing. Use it very sparingly. I don't that doesn't come out there. Let's your choice, Aaron tease your choices on this overlooked for your consideration special happened right on the money both of yours. My final movie, I think the final move to talk about is the old man and the gun overbook to the extent date. It's been overlooked. I mean, I felt like Robert Redford really I mean, this is a sh- his his finest hour as an actor a movie that really plays to his strengths. And when you see the film, especially the last few minutes of the movie that sort of sense feels like a real ascent off the him. Because Billy what he said he says, it was going to be his last movie as an actor kind of backpedaled on that because that kind of got too much attention, but the movie directed by David Lowery was really it was a lot deeper and more profound than I expected it to be the scenes between Robert Redford Sissy space where beautiful to actors at the top of their game. Just just amazing scenes that dialogue was great Casey Affleck is the cop on his tail. It was a really really good movie that I really felt like the whole was greater than the sum of its parts and know how well at the box office. It's definitely not banded about during award season. And it should. This is the classic movie star torn turn from Robert Redford, one of my favorite of all his performances. I think you should absolutely be in the best actor conversation for that that fifth slot debating, Ethan Hawke and John David Washington. It should be Robert Redford easily. I love everything with him and Sissy space like everything with him and Casey Affleck playing that cat and mouse game where we're Casey knows that it's him. But you know, you can't really prove it or do anything about it. David Larry did a fantastic job with this. So nice Costco's just barely got nudged out of my top ten. I adored this movie. It's almost like a little like a period piece time capsule to or you just get totally consumed by that period of time that it takes place, and his charm is just infectious, and it does have a bittersweet quality to it that I found really touching. But he sells that part too. Well, I couldn't believe how quickly I fell into step with him. He is so charming in this movie. And again, you know, Robert effort as an actor has only been nominated. What's the you know, what the movie was that he got nominated four previously for best actor the stink. Now, he won as director for ordinary people beating Martin Scorsese for raging bull. He went forward and people. But as an actor, I feel like I mean, yes, sure, there are definitely acting performances in a top five that we talked about on the for your consideration shows and at the same time, I feel like in terms of a career career capper. This is as good as it gets for Robert Redford. He does deserve to get nominee at the movie. Overall is great probably be out on Blu. Ray streaming services before you know, it overlooked and absolutely overlook movie, you know, all of the films we talked about on for your consideration today. And before we go for this show. We talked about how you know. In other shows like the great team at collider. And I have to give hats off to the man who almost every week every single show that I've done for collider has sat in the booth making sure that everything is cut perfectly go smoothly. That man, of course is Adam Smith Smith. Could not do it without you. You are the man who holds all together. You know, how like it's some of the cartoons the buzzed but-but-but buddy cartoons. There's one screw that one bolt that holds the whole Ashim together. That's Adam Smith he holds his whole theme together week after week. He is the reason why you're watching this seamlessly edited and cut and produced show right now, you are the collider superhero at Smith, right, right? Right. Bringing not. So not gives him me on so many shows. Adam Smith mill bang, bang, whatever the schmo down anything anything that goes on here. Adam Smith, you are the man and asked for as for collider for your consideration. What a great show. This was what a great way to end the two thousand eighteen by talking about great overlooked up. Really proud of. This was a great show that do what the both of you Perry. Number off. Jeff Snyder, always great talkie movies and award season films with you and the next time we talk it'll be two thousand nineteen and award season. We'll keep rolling along can't wait for the next time. And until then F lie see later democratic proposal. I'm Donahue with an AP news minute. Congress is not in session on the final of twenty eight teen, but Democrats in the house introduced bills today that would reopen the federal government without approving money for President Trump's border wall disagreements over funding. The wall hip resulted in a partial government shutdown the package to end the shutdown. Will include one Bill to fund the department of homeland security at current levels in Colorado today, a brief court appearance for Patrick phrasing. 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The Way Back (Featuring Joe Black)

Piecing It Together Podcast

54:18 min | 9 months ago

The Way Back (Featuring Joe Black)

"All right welcome to another episode of piecing it together the podcast where we take a look at a new movie and try to figure out what movies inspired it and today on the show. We're talking about Gavin O'Connor's the way back starring Ben Affleck This is of course a movie about an alcoholic who was once a former high school basketball champ who is brought in to coach the team and learns a little bit about the way to recovery along the way. So it's a It's a good old fashioned sports drama mixed with a little bit about inspirational self-help kind of healing. And it's a it's a good movie. I I shouldn't say it surprised because it looked good. You know going into it but I think Ben Affleck is getting some of the biggest raves of his career for it and that I think is somewhat surprising. And it's great to see because who doesn't Love Ben Affleck. I mean come on the guy's been through so much over the years and it's great to see when he does something good so we've got Joe Black on the show to talk about this movie Joe is a big Ben Affleck Fan so we have a great conversation coming up for you guys before we get into that. I do want to of course address the elephant in the room. Which is the fact that everything's on frigging lockdown? It looks like maybe not that bad but things are things are crazy out there. The pandemic that is the krona virus is happening. And you don't tune into this little movie podcast to hear about that but It is going to affect things moving forward. Obviously today. I'm recording this on March twelfth. They just canceled a whole bunch of movie releases. A quiet place to fast and furious nine. Mulan Antlers. A whole bunch of stuff just got taken off the release schedule list. Even things as small as the Nevada women's Film Festival here in Las Vegas which piecing it. The other is going to be. A sponsor of just had to postpone the festival. I'm actually interviewing the organizers of the fast. I was supposed to happen tomorrow but we decided to push that off until they have a new date scheduled. So I mean all kinds of weird things are happening In the world you know. Maybe we'll talk about some of that over on bird road one of these as if we record another episode anytime soon but you know for now though. I'M GONNA try to squeeze in as many movies as I can while movies are still thing and keep on covering them for you guys. 'cause I love doing the show and I hope you continue to enjoy listening to it so make sure you're subscribed to piecing it together and your podcast APP of choice. You can of course rate and review us on Apple podcasts and you can follow us on social media at Piecing pod. Oh and one last thing. If there's a little bit of weird sound in the background it's raining like crazy here today but it shouldn't be too bad so let's get into the movie. This is the way back who all right so back on the show with us today. We've got our good buddy jo black. How's IT GOING JOE? It's going great. Everything is going well in life right now I would say I'm waiting for the other shoe to fall but I don't believe in shoes so just walking around barefoot. Hi I'm from Florida. No other Nice. I used to work at blockbuster. Yuli Florida which is real country. And where you get more Steven Seagal movies than anything else and Almost none of our customers were shoes and usually they came by on their way to or from a fishing trip. And you and your cool with that though right like it doesn't matter if if there's like store policy or anything like that you just you know it's just it is what it is round there. It's hard don't get a splinter you know what I mean. Who Cares so? Today we are talking about. Of course the way back which You had volunteered for quite a while back. I Know Ben. Affleck has come up in various conversations. We had over the last couple of years on this podcast. I I take it. You're looking forward to this. One Ben Affleck is my favorite actor. Yeah Yeah He. And that's not to say I think he's like the best actor or that I even necessarily think he's particularly good actor. I just I really love what he has to offer as an entertainer and I and I like the projects he chooses. He reminds me a lot of Of My other favorite actor Elliott Gould When he had his opportunity to a-list or you know after Mash if you look at the projects Elliott Gould picked over the seventies there insane. You know what I mean like things like Getting straight or my personal favorite little murders. These are all very strange movies and Ben Affleck when you look at his filmography. I mean the dude did the same fucking thing lying you know after Armageddon hitting and he's like the biggest thing to ever happen in Armageddon goodwill hunting kind of back to back he's doing shit like Reindeer Games paycheck. And you know what I mean like really just kind of out there. Stuff forces of nature balance or you know And not again that any of these particularly successful but the fact that he chose those. Choose anything you know the. I've always liked that about him. Yeah you never really get the feeling with Ben Affleck that he got like stuck or pigeon holed into these things. It's it's it's just a an interesting path at this guy is taken in and so many different like stages of his career doing like very very different things in each one and being yeah and being willing to do some of the stuff he did like even his character and extract. You know what I mean which is like what would be now the Matthew mcconaughey role I guess or something. But you know you look back at You look back at Dogma and the most wonderful thing about dogma first of all said he fought for like Kevin Smith gave him famously gave him chasing amy and Dogma at the same time any roaches. Amy For ben Affleck but been like was like all right great but all he can focus but I wanna do Dogma the I wanna be Barbie and his performance in that up until this film up until the way back I would say his best performance But the way back I mean his performance and this makes me feel bad for talking about him not necessarily being a very good actor all those years because this performance is It is every bit as good as people have said and it is better than the movie itself but unlike writing people. I don't think this is not a good movie I think that he is performance Is Evident of the The integrity of the movie itself the Integrity that he saw the movie. Sure we'll talk some about that as we get into a year but a welcome back. We've all forgiven live by night Halloween. Well I don't I don't know if I fully forgiven it but let's let's roll with that though I think that will we'll take that that that point about the performance because he has absolutely that is That's what that's what we're all there to see what this movie. I mean we we all Kinda heard going into it. Like Man Ben Affleck's giving up career best performance and You know maybe the movie is you know as successful as you're gonna get for this kind of a movie but the performance is one hundred percent and the first puzzle piece here. I don't know how you feel about this movie. I don't know how you feel about Ben's brother Casey but first thing I thought of everything with my hands. Well first thing I thought of was Manchester by the sea Another movie with of course. Ben's brother Casey Affleck won the Oscar for it. Just a you know a great working class everyman character who is in the midst of this redemption story basically and Really just digging into what has broken him and why he is the way he is. And it's really just an acting showcase it's a chance to really show like Manny's Affleck guys got it. You know that was the first thing I thought of my thing about the AFLAC brothers. The tragedy of the athlete brothers outside of Casey as a person. Apparently which I'm not saying because I don't know enough but insurance but is that Casey Affleck is an actor who wants to be a movie star and Ben. Affleck is a movie star. Who wants to be an actor towed? That's kind of their big block I saw Manchester by the sea and I was so I thought it was so dull that night I actually got up and I left about two hours into the movie. I went to go seated arc light. I paid money no. Amc BOOBY. Pass for that one. And it just was not holding my interest and I gave it to ours and movie being two and a half hours And at that point that you gotta really not into it. If you're not gonNA like to stick it out that last little exactly well you know. It really turned it for me and why. I think that this movie is better is because once you find out In Manchester by the Sea Casey Affleck burned his fucking house down. Because he's an irresponsible drunk piece of shit who isn't good to his wife. I'm lying okay. Yeah fuck him like you know what I mean like Don't do that again. Sorry I I have. I have all the empathy in the world where we will be no sympathy for him and I don't care about his journey at that point. You know a good luck to him as my attitude. You know what I mean but in this I mean the child being taken away by cancers just like you know and watch you know that to me is that to me is much more compelling in a way you know The fact that Casey is responsible for it just because he wanted to hang out with his friends. Instead of you know. Be Good to his kids. Fuck him well. I think that there's definitely some Some amount of earned with that statement right there with that character Yeah but I. I did love that movie though. I I completely understand where you're coming from though with the character. Just you know like kind of fucking but the parallel though of these two these two people and just what they've been through and and what they're trying to come back from. But what do you got for your first piece? I had I was. I was thinking of Manchester by the sea but I was like I e because of what I said about them. I didn't want to necessarily bring it up. Plus you would have a to you. Know what I mean so no cross shore so but sticking with the dead kid theme. I just watch this movie the other day for the first time actually It's a Sean Penn directed film called the crossing guard Which Stars Jack Nicholson and ANJELICA. Huston David and it's a. It's about a man who It's a man is released from prison. Who Supposedly Murdered Jack? Nicolson's son our child Rather end up Angelica Huston and Jack. Nicholson were married. But they're not anymore she's trying to move on. But Jack Nicholson is just decided that now the skies out it's his mission to just kill the guy that's all that he has left to do in life tormenting the guy until he's GonNa eventually kill him and the reason why it reminded me of the way back outside of there being a child is Is To me what was so moving about the way back was the dynamic between he and his wife who is separated from an and How they're still so much love there. But how the it's just an impossibility I agr- and care for the first scene between the two of them. It was one of the few scenes in the movie that felt a little too saccharin and written but From then on I found the dynamic very interesting you know you have that thing where like divorce parents have to like. Show up for the kid's birthday party or something like that. You know but I found it interesting. This separated parents have a dead child had to show up to another families birthday party in support of kid. Who's in remission the needle will but but Yes and no it's brutal and concept but I think that the love that they have for each other as people is so evident sure that there's nothing but forgiveness you know what I mean. Really even from moment to moment when he crosses the line with her in the car by saying like you know you go fuck this other guy. Which every man has that in the mid that ugliness. That pain that you know And that's one of the things that I just loved about. The movie in general was like wouldn't you? I see that it's rated R. I got excited. Not only because Ben Affleck with what he's going to but because the fact that it's rated r. told me there's a chance for this to be a little more honest and sincere in than the other movies like this. You know There's going to be there. There could be a truth to it and Yeah I'll save more opinions about the film itself for as we go but yeah so I the crossing guard definitely check that movie out. And Sean Penn had a real thing for dead kids. He did that movie and the next movie he directed was the pledge. Were Jack Nicholson's the detective investigating a child murder? And Sean Penn was in Mystic River. Another thing what's going on Vick Freak. Yeah he Yeah I guess it's a it's a good Is that like a macguffin? I heard you say that's loose definition. Won't you know just yesterday? I was Jonesing for some piecing. It together podcast. I listen to the joker one which I never listened to it. I can't lie was just like some of the things chattan numbers they were just like pulling teeth but I love how when they were trying to pitch the new one you kept kept chiming in with like but it's walking. Phoenix Walking Phoenix things And they ignored you. They ignored your genius. There's crying with laughter. You said melts really funny now too but like that walk. I think you're right. Well thank you. I will jump into my next piece here so I so if I am not GonNa sit in like complain about the movie because I I did enjoy it. Quite a bit You know it's been a rather slow year. It's one of the one of the better things I've seen this year But there is a little bit of a I kinda WANNA say like almost like a self help vibe behind the whole thing. I kind of felt like and the movie. Yes man came to mind with the idea. The idea then apples character. You know he just needs to just snap out of it and say yes to to life and say yes to to experiences and to coaching this team and to getting out of his own shell and all that stuff and and to just kind of getting back to life a little bit and I can see where that can be very inspirational. I know that This director Gavin O'Connor is known for these Inspirational sports movies aside from the accountant of course but You know so. I know that there's a kind of a running theme there and so that's you know where that comes from but you know yes men in its own. Right was a little bit fun and I I mean maybe it Kind of boosted the sales. Those kind of Self help things over the years But I it was another thing. That kind of came to mind was in the theater. That's I love it yes? Man had a really interesting. Like I didn't WanNa see when it came out but when it was on. Dvd Our to blockbuster so is free rental. And there's one scene that completely like like I was on Like when I started I was like Oh. This isn't as bad as I thought. But is this good but then there was one scene was like wow the. I didn't expect that was when the Old Lady Gibson the blow job like yes say yes to that and then he enjoys it weird but I was like. That's brilliant like that Mia come in and then from then on. I was totally on board the movie and I Hate Zoe Chanel but I loved that band and it mutuals and by proxies so that song was it. Horno late night booty call naturally booty call so God you remember these things. That's one thing about you joe. Is You have a memory for little details. Like that. Like to remember these song titles and things and movies. That's great. Well thanks you know. I'm glad they were in there but You know it's interesting. What you say about this Gavin O'Connor Guy I only know of the accountant of of him. Officially I don't know. Did he direct something else? What is it called warrior? I believe I'll swim with the swimming right right with the diving or whatever it is yet I thought the account was really bad and I thought that again. It was a great Ben Affleck performance in a really stupid movie The fact that they he and Anna Kendrick had like a romantic moment. I was like don't do that. Need that But to this movie the thing okay so I I guess I do want to say that. Like yes man. You're walking on pins and needles with like this because you're You know you've seen this movie million times something that I did not appreciate I. I really am sorry to break up the puzzles thing here but I have to explain because I think it's an ugly to say about this movie that the whole movie. I was very interested in the fact that they never showed us failure so the whole movie like even at the beginning. They show us just enough to show us the situation. He's in Henry the beer but he shows up to Thanksgiving and there's a bit of a fight but it doesn't ruin thanksgiving. It's not you know we're not getting any of these cliches. And then I also found it very interesting that it was not mandated on him that he had to go to the fuck in a coaching ages was given the choice and he chose it and write that and then whenever the team would lose we never saw them lose would always see maybe a bad play and then the free stream in the score yet. Yeah just get the freeze frame thing. And that's that's a just giving us enough information so we understand and then all you start to see his victory upon victory upon victory on victory right until the big win and that's where most of these movies end but in this movie very brilliantly has like another act to go and that's when we start to see the failure right and that's when I when I saw in the theater I was like Man Shit. They were doing it. They were walking the line. They were yes manning us and then and then suddenly becomes a fucking like every other alcohol Blah Blah Blah and then he gets the recovery and everybody is kind to him and there's no resentments and it works out right Spoilers but but it wasn't until I got home and I was disappointed by select but then I got home and I realized and this is right after you message me is when you messaged me and asked me if I liked it is right after I said Chur or whatever said I. That's when we have to see the failure because he chose that as a distraction he chose to. Coach is a distraction and it is good at right. That was not the solution they. It wasn't a fairy tale hoosiers kind of movie right. It was a which that's my next puzzle pieces hoosiers which I never see okay and I think I've said enough about hoosiers to explain why that's a puzzle piece but but like it's not like these victories. They are not the victory that they're not the personal victory. That's like thinking that romantic comedies. About the guy and the girl getting together no literally the the victory is self discovery and and something you can start to build a foundation of. It's the boost. You need to make your life better to put yourself in a better place and I actually had a lot more respect for the movie after that because thought to myself. Oh Wow they dared to risk it in those final moments you know what I mean to show what it really means to go into recovery. That being said I need to see it again because the scene where they go to the dead kid you know in the hospital is so obviously at reshoot and there's so many obvious re-shoot moments after that that. I wonder if an athlete took over and made that stuff happen Because he's like thirty pounds lighter like looks much healthier and interesting. Yeah but but again. I think that if that that the case I'm in supported that I've always been in support of Ben Affleck Taking the reins even if he has a live by night but hoosiers hoosiers a nice movie but again to me. I guess it set Wednesday like the fifties right shore. Yes so I guess. It's not unrealistic. The kids wouldn't be cursing and fucking and all that stuff but But Yeah I I. I appreciated this movie for For its subtle approach to what could have been something we've seen a million times. Espn so it's both sorry. That was your now now. You're you're good. I like to One thing before I go on to my next piece I just very quickly Googled warrior because clearly. Neither of US have seen it to actually. M. E. Movie. So we we. I was thinking of the peaceful warrior. God should alty warrior with Tom. Hardy is great till the very end. Did you see that movie? I never actually have seen it now. Okay I'M GONNA have to spoil it for you. I'm sorry because this is a ten year. Long Irradiation of Mine Gopher at the end of the movies the big tournament where he Tom Hardy gets in. No problem is brother struggles to get. In the first two rounds his brother gets his ASS whooped in both fights season but he wins. Both just barely Tom. Hardy winces other two fights like in one punch. He doesn't even hit right and then when they go to compete against each other it's like even Keel. And he promises the brother not take it easy and the brother like wince just barely And I was like sorry. Don't buy it you know what I mean. Like the way they set him up to be the sympathetic one. He's like a teacher and bill. You know and Tom Hardy says scrappy little whatever but no tardy would've fucking whooped his ass Iranian because the other guy's been getting his ass whooped straight for two days sure it was a four star movie that ends on. One Star Note. It was so interesting. Well it's it's interesting how much it was the same director but how you like the ending with this one serve. How can you do me a favor can you? Google is Nick Nolte in the peaceful warrior. Okay Nick Nolte piece. Oh yes he's in both your interesting so many reasons to confused too. What's your next up piece? Yeah let's Let's jump into another one here so I was going to bring up the first movie that you and I did hear on piecing it together. A star is born for bringing a recovery story into a movie that otherwise on the surface seems to be about something else. We go in expecting this. You know maybe not fully expecting. We know that it's going to be about this guy in recovery but You know it's a basketball drama sports drama. You know sports movie and ends up being you know very heavily. Abou this Guy Struggle and you know a star is born of course is you know very much. I would say as much about Jackson. Main as it is about alleys rise to stardom so I think You know using one story to tell another story about addiction is where I draw that comparison. Oh absolutely this. One has a much better outcome. Yes sure but again I think. I think that they're both are speaking to the same theme of like Recovery for the right reason. The only way that it's GonNa work exactly you know what I mean like the big really good way to put it. Yeah the big problem with a star is born that he gets better for her right. You know what I mean. And and that's not going to work and you know. I mean as we already know. That's like one of my favorite movies. Yes absolutely and How how do you like the New Lady Gaga single? By the way I wouldn't skip it on the CD. But I wouldn't make it the single okay but I I kind of I kind of agree with you on that one. But it's it's a good track but But yeah it is an interesting choice for a single. I don't know how familiar you with her body of work. But there's one song on Joann Her last album that I felt like just I confused This Day. How it was not the single. There's a song called diamond heart on that album. That is so sick so I should listen to this album tomorrow. I actually as much as I like. Lady Gaga. I've never listened to joy and Al. It's I should go listen to it. It's week it really. Yeah but but like that album was for her. You know what exactly it's like her personal thing Exactly yeah but But diamond heart is the diamond heart and gratiot girls. Those are the two best on that out. Well what do you got for your expertise My next pieces the replacements okay. the Keanu Reeves Gene Hackman Football comedy and I guess I put it on there because I feel like it was a subversive movie like this one was where you got gene. Hackman. Who had done hoosiers. And that's obviously why people thought of them in the first place and then you've got Jonah Reeves in this big comedy but it actually Kinda crept up and surprise people because without ever tipping the comedy scale it it actually was very like poignant and moving and I think that like this when he has a lot to do with the performances. You know what I mean like the the actors that they got you know you've got psychiatric. Zombie played by like John. Afro in order. I mean you've got like good actors and it's the difference when you have a good actor you know it doesn't matter the material look why Pineapple Express. It's such a good movie. I mean it's because James Franco is a good actor you know. Same thing with Super Bad sticking with that. Joan Hill isn't a comedian. He's an actor and AL and I think that that kind of thing makes all the difference Like the replacements like this movie although I feel both will fade into obscurity. Quite possibly Yeah I'm sure I saw the replacements way back in the day when it came out but I barely remember. Remember that one But I mean yeah I totally. I totally see. Those comparisons are making no well. It really holds up because it's it's like two sincere for some too funny for others but then sure but but yeah like you don't expect it to have such a strong ending in art. I mean kind of like the longest yard the original longest chart the Adam Sandler. What is totally perfect? But the longest yard is i. I mean I I I I believe it. I'm sure you've got a a full explanation but You know to that. We only have one podcast here. A that's my. That's my second favorite happy. Madison movie is Nice. Are Right behind zone so on fucking rules that movie. That movie is One of the most important movies the last decade airline on. Here's I guess I'm serious is very important. I love it anti-trump before he took over but But yeah the replaces dude watch it. It's has a really good soundtrack. It's very a soundtrack berry of its time. But like you know for sure well I will go to my next piece. I am going to go with half Nelson Movie avow a drug addicted. Teacher played by Ryan Gosling. And the reason I bring this up is you know of course. We're talking about Teacher with addiction issues. But also the way that This particular character you know. Kinda does hold things together When he's around the kids and everything I mean is as a couple of you know bad moments here and there for generally speaking is Kinda holding things together and I just thought that was an interesting trade where it's not like you know. I attitude driving a truck through the school or something you know. It's not like totally over the like you know totally over the line. Kind of writing that level of functioning a little bit to where you know. Nobody's GonNa make them get better on you know they're they're going to have to make that decision right right I funny enough I tried to watch a movie wants to turn it off and I turned it off for the main problem. I have with the way back. I thought when you were saying why you compare them. I thought you were GONNA say because they both have the same problem. Which is Bo Cam? Sure like it's so there was a lot of a lot of Lens flare in this as well. So it's so funny to me like how like these twenty five million dollar. Hollywood films do fake camera. Just like like they'll like at zoom that's supposed to look like a readjusted supposed to have the same make something hand held when it's like you know. I make a lot of movies and I make them for no money and sometimes I have a lot of handheld. Sometimes I have a lot of zooms in close ups. But that's because I don't have time to and I don't have the equipment to be able to set up a stage things in certain cinematic ways after just capture. What I can when I'm there and I. It just pisses me off because so many people criticize my work for that but at the same time here are these fucking Hollywood bastards with all the resources in the world trying to fake what I have to do. And then people praise them for it. You know hands with holes in them when you buy them. That's exactly that's at. I said that before because I don't think so. That's my thing. Is We do. That's my exact metaphor that so funny but yeah like exactly it's like and it was distracting me like throughout the whole movie plus also. This guy has the same problem with this like modern thing with digital film where it's like That greyish kind of muted. Hugh like across thing that is just so ugly and stupid And comes from being lazy in your color correcting process but but half Nelson I had to turn it off because of the cinematography because it was just like it was so phony to me that I couldn't even get into what was obviously a good performance. You know what I mean like a but this one wasn't as bad I guess right. Yeah well what do you got for your next piece okay? So this is my. This is my final puzzle piece that I have unfortunately are You know But it is an wouldn't be me on the podcast without a John Castle. Betty's film and you're I'M GONNA go with love. Streams Love streams as a film or. John himself plays a writer named Robert Harmon who He he's like a a playboy bachelor lives in his house. Writing a new novel lives a playboy life and on the same week. His mentally unstable sister shows up and she's in the midst of divorce and at the same time an ex lover of his shows up with a ten year. Old Boy. Saying this is your son. Hang out with them for a while. And then she ditches him and so it's like he doesn't know what to do with this fucking kid so you like the first thing. He does porsecutor beer. You know gives the kids cigarette. And then he's like. Why don't we go to Vegas for the weekend? You know he takes the Vegas and leaves the kid in the hotel nights go hang out with hookers all night and then comes next morning like I wanna go home but But the reason I compare this because it's it's Outside the obvious. It's he's an alcoholic in the film. You know what I mean any drown alcohol. And he doesn't know how to relate to people anymore let alone children and And it's so painful watching somebody so desperate to love and not having the tools to be able to do it and The scene were been affleck is talking with his The wifey separated from when they get back from the party that was like traumatic for him and him talking about how they have each other or the Kid die. Matvey other and you can go. Fuck whatever guy. It reminded me of my favorite scene in love streams when John sister goes into like kind of sort of coma and right before she goes into coma in in her crazy moment. She buys a bunch of exotic animals and brings them to his house. Onis ducks like like the most insane. Goats you know. And she goes into a coma right afterward and then a horrible store breaks out. So Jon has to like put on galoshes and like bringing all these animals right and then his sister wakes up and she says to him. I've made up with my ex husband. And he's like you made up with him in a dream or or for real and she goes ongoing. I'M GONNA I'm GonNa go back home and Blah Blah and then John not knowing what to do because she's GonNa abandon him when he's at his lowest you know what I mean. When he needs her you know what I mean just like are in Africa movie. He says he says look. I don't want you going back to somebody who does love you. I love you and I want you to stay. I want you to stay forever. I'm taking care of the animals. I'm taking care of everything. And then she just looks at and says goodbye. You know and It's it's it's gut wrenching. You know it really is but It's the break the Robert Needed. Because he liked been affleck was just trying to mask his own problems by taking care of somebody crazier than him right. Distraction right only Cavities worlds a little tougher to watch than it is in the motivational. The way back or yes. That is why I draw a comparison. I still think you have yet to see a case of at his home. If I'm not mistaken you're you're one hundred percent right but I think at the time of recording. This it seems like we're about to be on lockdown for quite A. Maybe maybe I'll make some time for some please I beg you just. If you'RE GONNA watch one start with start with opening night. I think that's the best way to it's like if I was telling you. Watch Robert Altman. I'd say watch the player as your first Romanova Movie Watch opening night. If there's maybe I'll maybe I'll have a double feature both of those. I'm just letting you know that. That's a five hour. Commitment are both. Yeah that that's a that's a that's a big one. What a damn good day. Well I got one more piece and this is just kind of a a little bucket of all of the Mark Wahlberg. Peterberg every man movies which I know are not very good movies but I think that they kind of appeal to a certain crowd. If you know what I mean and I think that this movie very much fits into that kind of thing. I think this is a better movie than those movies. I think it definitely does appeal very much to that kind of Blue Collar every every man Kinda Kinda dude on wreck those movies it does not make him a bucking Hierro. You're absolutely right. And that is a very important quality of this movie. I those movies are terrible. He and their Peterberg is such A. Oh Man I. It's things like this while. Never make it. In this instance. Peterberg is such a scumbag at like He. He made one really good movie very bad things and then he made one movie that I really enjoyed that. I wouldn't call good which is battleship but But he's just mark Wahlberg so yes man ran. I mean like you could tell Mark Wahlberg is running that show sure so much so that like Peterberg just like we don't need a tripod like just point wherever mark says. Let's get this over with. Just follow him around. Yeah like those movies. I had no interest in those movies. The last one I saw was lone survivor. 'cause like it was Sidney Lumet who said like you know. I saw the trailer for Gandhi and I thought seeing it you know like same thing with all of those mark Wahlberg movies. He's on an oil rig up. There's a bomber at the marathon. Is His wife at home. Can you tell me that that's pretty good working together? Both those guys have shown their stripes. I mean sure but Ben. Affleck is You know he's got demons like we all do. I suppose his you know but I you know. Good luck to me. He's obviously got a big heart and ambitious mind and he's been doing that for us from day. One you know whether it's Jersey girl or you know surviving Christmas you know. He's willing to ease willing to go. Go big not just yourself but just for movies and for us so good yes for moot for movies. You Know He. He loves movies clearly I'm not that bad people. We've heard we've heard you say that before and I'm sure you'll say it again probably does today. Well I'M GONNA go ahead and do the finish puzzle and then we'll get any closing thoughts. Finished puzzle includes Manchester by the sea. Crossing Guard yes man hoosiers stars born the replacements half Nelson love streams and every mark Wahlberg Peterberg movie to pair that with John Kesse visas. I am so sorry. Do you have any any closing thoughts about the movie before we wrap it up causing thoughts on Julius not that bad of a move closing thoughts like I said I feel like I really loved the way that the movie was put together. I do feel like Ben. Affleck came in in the twenty fifth hour and reassembled the second in the last quote Unquote Act of the movie. No bus making it a patch job but a worthwhile patch job. You know what I mean. Sure at which I also feel that way about Dr Doolittle. I would call the same thing. Worthwhile Patch job. I love Dr Doolittle. Just another thought. It was wonderful Maybe I'll catch it one of these days honestly the three best movies I've seen this year. Read the way back Dr Doolittle. It's been a rough year but like a but but yeah I really appreciate The approach I appreciate athletes willingness to do this material and you can only be willing to do this material with people you trust in the obviously trusts. Us Director and You know the guy just needs to buy tripod and higher different colorist and yeah I have something. Yeah I mean you would have had a movie worth releasing October like it originally was supposed to be. I only have two other little thoughts. I just wanted to mention real quick. Number one is been athletes character. His you know co assistant coach. Whatever Dan Played by Al Madrigal? I knew since I was sitting in the theater. Up until Let's see thirty six minutes and a recording thirty seven minutes ago. I knew I knew who he was and couldn't put my finger on it and I looked up. Imdb real quick before we started recording. Oh my God it's L. Magical so I just wanted to mention that I believe I couldn't figure that out you know no idea that he's a stand up comedian and I think on the daily show at one point. that Yeah I I knew. I recognized for summer. The other thing is one thing that I thought was kind of silly and this movie was how many frigging montages were montages. Yeah you know. There's two types of montages. There's like the eighties montage and then there's like like sometimes you just gotTa stack events in order to get the things that are most important. I know that in film school. They taught us that the three laziest devices you can use a movie. Our voice over montage cross solves and I thought like they wouldn't even let you do those films. Remain I always just thought that. Like that so silly. They're not rules their tools. You know what I mean. Like sure. Sunset Boulevard has voiceover citizen Kane has crossed dissolves a rocky has montages like I'm find with all of the with using what you need. You know what I mean like. I really sure and the montages didn't bother me in this. That bothered you will then damn the movie damn the Damnest frigging movie this inspirational crap. Yeah it was pretty good the way back to basic filmmaking. There you go you got it. Got Him Joe do you have. Another movie is reasonably. You'd like to maybe recommend to our listeners. Well I mean one of them is greed. Please go see greed. But we'll do a podcast on that He Sa so good but I have recently discovered two films watching them with My girlfriend's cat one of them was last year's missing link missing link. Probably the best animated movie. I've seen since two thousand nine since the core line. Fantastic Mr Fox. Polio triple threat Isn't that just like come out of nowhere win the Golden Globe for Best Animated? It deserved it did it. Is I think so phenomenal it. Florida I was blown away by the other. One is cinema sin I just saw the sound of music for the first time with her as well and is every bit as good as the legend suggests it is blew me away and it and it made me appreciate knives out even more because we watched that the next day like the cinematography in both of those films. I missed real cinematography and or digital versus film isn't isn't conversation to have the conversation to have is a art as production design lenses and your color grade like then those that's the discussion to have That's what we need to get back to like. You look at the sound of music and like the famous so rich and so full and so well orchestrated same thing with knives out in both knives out shot digitally you know what I mean. So are like it's proof that like the problem is is you know. Quitting Tarantino called Roger Deakins Roger Deakins on a podcast saying much prefers digital. How much better isn't Phil Blah? And quint was on the same pack. Guess Week later and they asked him what he thinks about. Richard Dinkins saying this and he goes I. The Richard Deacons is lazy and he wants to take it easy on himself. Because it's real easy to digitally just do it all post. I Concur Missing Lincoln. Donna music get good. Good good recommendations or stars both. What have you seen David? Oh what have I seen Well I just saw greed and before that yeah. Very good movie Before that what did I I watch star wars the other night which will first time twenty years A new hope. Yeah Alright yes seriously. The most interesting is the two droids in the first ten minutes at the most interesting in the movie. You know right you talk is this actually is a nice final thing for the way back one of the things. I loved so much about the way back. Like you think of the mighty ducks which I'm glad neither of US said that for this Sure in the mighty ducks. He's like the court he asked to do it. He's forced to write because of his small shit. I loved that Ben Affleck was given the choice and he chose this right and then he chose to do this. Nobody forced him. Nobody you know one of the problems. I Was Star Wars. Is it star? Wars used a lot of these screenwriting books about the hero's journey. And how one of the rules in these screen writing books as your hero needs to choose to go on the journey. They can't be forced to go on the journey right A great example of that being Shitty is that movie hall pass with Owen Wilson and Jason. Today 'cause it always bothered me that their wives force them to go on the hall pass like they didn't choose to. Do you know what I mean. So the whole like this weird tone star. Wars is used as an example of classic storytelling. But in that loop doesn't have with choice he has to go on the mission. His fuck an aunt and uncle were barbecued his home. Yes droid. He doesn't have anywhere to go anymore so he's not making a choice. You know what I mean and that's always bothered me interesting use it. It was interesting going back to it as like It's like everything just kind of seems to to happen. I'M NOT GONNA go shit on Star Wars now. I'm sure although there's nothing to get on to me star wars is just as mediocres the way back but I feel like the way back is more beneficial to people in the long run that makes sense. You know what I mean like like I say I say mediocre you know what I mean is. It's just bland share. You know. It's yes just a movie. Revolutionary for your time doesn't impress me forty years later. What impresses me as what you did with that revolution you know what I mean. Like like fell show. What do you tell people where they can find your stuff? Blue means pregnant films on facebook but within the next month or do burke have like website and Blu rays. Dvd's and it's just it's it's all finally happening I'm excited to share of my fourteen features. Everybody as for people to be able to see all the wonderful work that my friends and family and and The talented actors. I've worked with and stuff over the years. We've all come together to create a years. It's just wonderful Even if the movies themselves kind of you know fall short in certain ways like just the experience of doing this for fifteen years now is just been. I couldn't replace it. It's wonderful beautiful. While I everybody check all that out and Joe we're going to have you back on the show real soon. I can't wait. I love it Everyone no matter how big you are has movies. They haven't seen that have other. Keep saying how you never seen this movie. We're here to help at the now. You seem podcast. We help you fill those gaps in your decreed one movie at a time each episode a guest who is watching the movie the first time joins our rotating cast of hosts and panelists to discuss the movie and compare seeing it through fresh eyes versus seeing it with is filtered through the lens of the Stout. You could find now. You've seen it on facebook at facebook dot com slash now you've seen it no apostrophe or wherever you get your. 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Even if I can't go to my beloved movie theater as much as I would like to although hopefully that doesn't happen and I get to go every week and there's a brand new movie every that's how it should be so anyway let's close this thing Ao Not just with a song but a reminder that my new album beater the original motion picture soundtrack comes out next Friday the twentieth and is available on Itunes right now as a special pre order so go check that out. It will be up on the twentieth. I will be reminding you about it plenty of times in the coming months and I may even do a special episode the has to do with that album And special episode that has to do with that film that the album partially is a soundtrack. For so I've got I've got a Lotta stuff around this album. Coming up There's also a music video for the track Ferris wheel which she can check out on my youtube channel but I played ferris wheel last week on the show so why not play another track off the album. 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Episode 38: Jeff Bezos goes Hollywood

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Episode 38: Jeff Bezos goes Hollywood

"Today on we hear. Jeff bezos has gone. Hollywood it's time to dive into the Lawrence Sanchez. Affect Steph curry and his wife. Aisha are getting sexy and Amanda face. Tattoo isn't the only new accessory. She's recently gotten coming up next on. We hear Oh my God except flushed tapes. Six whatever field and pay their. I'm Maggie COGGIN and more and welcome to hear a six podcast. We hear all the celebrity dirt from our exclusive sources. And you hear the story behind the story. What's going on with Jeff? Faso's well Maggie. His old pal new Jackie's back in the day when he was just kind of budding. Mogul say they don't recognize him anymore that he's Gone Hollywood that since he matt Lawrence Sanchez that he's like changes style that he's hanging out with celebrities he's posting sell fees he's partying on yachts and that And they don't know who he is anymore. Gone are the days of the fleece vest yet. There's no more fleece but you know I and and obviously he just He just splashed out on buying on the old Jack Warner state which more recently people know that as David Geffen's Beverly Hills estate is thirteen thousand six hundred square feet and he paid one hundred sixty five million dollars for this for this home. I'm actually some disappointed because back. I remember when David Geffen bought the Jack Warner estate which had belonged to the Venerable Warner Brothers Mogul and studio boss and I always kind of had my eye on this property as well. I mean I I always like coveted this is one of the Hollywood properties that I covered it. And now it's been. I've been gazumped you've been Kazaam. Yeah which is a gazumped is now is like a British term. I believe in real British real-estate term for when someone buys out a property from under you you have like a mid on a property and someone gets it. So bezos. Geserum me on this one but a year ago we were expecting Jeff Bezos to maybe show but the Oscars going. He was already embroiled in this kind of scandal where he had left his wife. Mackenzie visas for Lawrence Sanchez. The ex wife or then current wife of Patrick White Soul the William Morris Endeavor power agent and we were waiting for them to sort of go public with their romance but I guess they Kinda put those plans on hold because basically you know he has been showing up at the Oscars for the past two years because Amazon is a major player in the In the movie business he had Manchester by the sea. Which was a bit of a Oscar? Contender Twenty eight twenty seven. Twenty seventeen exactly. Casey Affleck won But Lawrence Sanchez. Didn't show up with him. At the Oscars year ago flash or to this year is like a totally different story right there. Vanity Fair Party together. He over the summer was on David. Geffen's yacht than I. Maybe they were like brokering that deal to buy my house. You know he was at the Super Bowl. Sorry year ago also at the Super Bowl. He kept a low profile. He showed up at like a party. Thrown by Robert Kraft went to this role with Roger Goodell because Amazon also has business with the NFL. Right Dream I think Thursday night football for the NFL. This year another story again. He showed up and took a Selfie with Liz. Oh you know so he. He has an end. People of noticed like Sarin Nathan own paid six reporter has written a story that his friends have noticed that he's he has changed his style. Righties gone or the doughty Dorky. Fleeces talk gone. Are The boot cut. Jeans Garner the boot cut jeans. He and Lawrence Sanchez also showed up in Mumbai recently at an Amazon event where he was wearing like a kind of flashy Ir. I don't know maybe I don't know why the word brocade is coming to mind. I don't even know what that means. But I'm thinking brocade thinking well. Braggadocio mean different. Things Brocade low. That's menswear line brocade doce. Yeah that is. That's my formal wear. Yeah you're going to challenge suit supply very popular at proms. Eastleigh MEAN JESSICA MCCLINTOCK. Doing a labyrinth. You don't I wore not one but two just McClintock dresses to PROMS really Amazing Yeah they were both to to Jesuit lint dresses in one night to the same Diana Ross. When I was a junior I went with a senior and then when I was the senior I went with a senior. I think was there also a? I don't know why I know this shows. My deep encyclopedic knowledge of the trivial. Was there another prom dress? Brand called like gunny sack. I think I don't know maybe it's a Dolly Parton lyric. Do you know said. Why'd you come in here looking like that? Where she's basically objectify man in cowboy boots? You could stop traffic and gunny sack man anyway. Anyway as Shafiqul okay. So He's been showing these things. Jeff Chang with stars buying properties releasing photos of them in front of the Taj Mahal via the AP. Did you see that when they were in India? There's like a very like couple in India photo that the AP released as a high profile relationship when your couple photos are released by national news they also recently had lunch with Anna winter which we reports by the way at the dawn of this relationship. I attempted to get them a joint nickname which never worked in call them Bez. Chaz started writing as Chaz. I did it in one story and I put it in the headline and it was like Bez. Chaz thanks Maggie. No it did not get edited out. It ran and no one cared. No one paid attention to pick that up. Now go ahead. Is Chess Okay? This shows them having lunch with Anna. Wintour does this mean we're going to see them the cover. That was the SPEC. I don't know how the cover but but that was sort of the speculation you know. Could they be tied in about the met? Gala is another possibility. Maybe you know are they are pretty expensive. No but could that be a possibility? Do you think the five hundred dollar product flip flops. That made their debut on. Geffen's yacht went to Miami. Who's Flip Bazo? Sleep was wearing a five hundred dollar. Prada flip flop like that product flop so a source at told Sarah in her. I've known jeff since the early days of Amazon his recent behavior is nothing that I would expect from him. This is not the Jeff that I knew another source had told her that Jeff has clearly gone. Hollywood risky fashion choices lunch with Anna Winter. A nonstop barrage of shameless. Self with allister's he's a narcissist with poor judgment and Lauren is calling the shots sources. Also say that rather than driving a wedge between base Os and Sanchez. The highly public scandals have actually brought the couple closer together than ever before. What do you think Mackenzie Basis doing? Just like cackling just taking screen shots and sending them to the group tax author friends or like crying emoji. I think that I think the Jeff Bezos was enjoying wanted to get into the whole Hollywood scene years ago. Well before he met Lawrence Sanchez because I was at the Golden Globes a few years ago and it was sort of a time where Bazo was not. He wasn't his recognizable. You know what I mean. I guess people who knew who the head of Amazon was would sorted known but if you were at the Golden Globes like everywhere you look are major stars so wouldn't be like you'd be like ooh. Jeff Bezos was sort of like recognizing like Jack Dorsey Ray any other baseball to know. Yeah I remember that. There was one studio head who actually said to me after the ceremony. Hey did you see Jeff Bezos at the at the words and I was like Oh no I hadn't noticed like Oh my God. He loves this. He was like basically the studio boss told me that they they noticed. Particularly that bazo sauce was really enjoying the attention because everyone was Amazon was moving into the film business and the film business is in trouble. Generally so the places that have the money. Now or the streamers like Netflix and Amazon. And Hulu but he loved the attention from everyone in the business but he also My source was telling me that he was just loving. You know being with the stars in loving the attention and now it's culminated years later in you know at the Oscars. This year Chris. Rock on stage specifically had material about Jeff. Bezos was on camera in wall sometimes celebrities kind of cower. He seemed happy. He was smiling when Chris. Rock said he's got cash when he writes a check. The bank balances like Jeff Basis is so rich. He got divorced and he still the richest man in the world. So I think that this journey from the fleece to the loss. Ooh very safe loss anymore. That this was kind of in the works and something he has. I on before Lauren Sanchez that he loved the Hollywood stuff I think. Also if you're buying Jack Warner Resolve House. It shows like an appreciation for sort of old Hollywood and old Galley with mogul dumb. It's not just like buying like the most modern new place. Tom Brady Giselle so I think he is fashioning himself. Now with Lauren Sanchez. His side as more of an old school new school. Hollywood mogul. We spend a huge percentage of our lives in bed. Shouldn't we be the most comfortable we can be enter attitude sheets? I got my sheets and I couldn't with them on my bed. These sheets are pure heaven. They are like wrapping yourself in silk. And that's because that technology is one hundred percent organic clean bamboo. This organic clean. Bamboo recycles ninety eight percent of the watery uses making attitude. The most sustainable bedding available and the only problem is that now. I don't want to get out of bed. My alarm goes off. 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It looked very romantic to romantic. Some people are saying Maggie a lot of sexy snapshots rally. There's an instagram photo. But steph curry posted this photo. And it's of him. How'd you describe this? He's wearing shorts or a bathing suit like board short wearing. He's wearing board shorts. Exactly and then he's being str- he's standing. There's a mountain in the background and She's straddling she latched on on. She's it's like Kind of a humping position. It's like drought dirty dancing. A little nowhere puts in the corner. Yes then she's straddling him and he's grabbing her but basically her arms around his neck she's licking his forehead with sort of perverse smile and he's like looking down into her decor let Taj. Is that what it is? He's looking down at her chest and sort of making thrusting motion. He's got a farmer Tan by the way in this. He's got a straight up farmer Tan his like is that yeah and then There's a bold here look at that I see it. Yeah beeping in shorts. Do you think that's like a Larry David like just? That's the way that the shorts were that kind of angles anyway. So he wrote vacation vibes with my one and only and she commented. You could've at least pop filter on this. I love you though so I mean this is all fine right but little sexy for these two this is this is feels unusual for them. She had another photo she did another. He had another post rather on Valentine's Day of her in a different bikini and She's like this one's a little a little more chased but she's like biting his face she's like really like she's going full on. Zombie on this so she looks amazing. They're in love. They have three children. This relationship is not new. They've been together forever. So why are people freaking out about this? Well people free out about about this man. You people are freaking out about this because back in two thousand fifteen. Aisha curry went on a social media rant about women posting scantily clad pictures on social media. She tweeted everyone's into barely wearing clothes. These days Ha- question mark. Not My style. I like to keep the good stuff covered up for. The one who matters? Shouldn't the one who matters? Be Your Damn loud. She also wrote just looking at the latest fashion trends. I'll take classy over trendy any day of the week okay. So there was a lot of backlash against these comments because people thought that she was slut shaming women online who posts scantily clad photos of themselves. And now she's there in a bikini licking her husband's for on what's up with the forehead lick. I don't know you know what. Oh maybe I also have to say that like okay out of any person in the world. Okay let's imagine in your mind right now like the most attractive person in the world who the celebrity or anyone who are the most who would be the most thrilled to be on vacation with Valentine's Day right your ideal man. Yeah Okay and then imagine licking their forehead. Now the thing about it is that even the greatest most attractive wonderful person in the world and the best romantic getaway right. I almost unwilling to guarantee you. That people's foreheads. Just don't taste very good. Also my juryman has a great skin care routine in his life and I don't WanNa taste like a retinoid. Oh my God. That's true. He had just done a mask. This sounds a little weird that you might want to check this dream. That sounds a little American psycho. Patrick Bateman Bay would not bad but it also seems a bit. Do people even say thirsty anymore is just wanting attention because they also recently hosted about like their tattoos. The only thing she thirsty if she didn't post eh he posted a little bit. That's that's a third that that old trick Maggie. You're like oh I affiliate like as if she didn't approve this shot like. Oh you should have put a filter. Okay this is the way obviously works is like you're like you. WanNa post this. You tell your husband. He's a professional athlete. Right it's also who took this photo because it's not a selfie. Maybe it's on a timer a timer. Do they have that on a phone? Yeah really yeah you can do it. Three seconds I usually do a thing where I take like an actual egg timer and then it has a USB cord and then through the computerized exactly you feel like it's calculated calculated but the amazing. I feel like she's an incredible shape right now. She looks great and the Bikini K. The first photo of her in the Orange Bikini I mean everything isn't she. Looks Amazing so it does feel kind of purposeful. Well the other thing that is your as it does seem like an image shift for them because right for a long time. The thing about Stephanie. You Should Korea was how wholesome they are right in there like very religious and she has her food stuff and she has her future. She usually dresses very conservatively. She had comments about. She doesn't like to wear revealing clothing and so now all of a sudden it's like I we talked about. They revealed their couples tattoos that they got now. They're doing so they're falling into a lot of the reality star troops right now the Tattoo reveals the humping licking and the vacation. You might remember that. There were allegedly nudes of him that leaked not too long ago and I wonder if this is a charm offensive to show and love. They are thirst traps and charm offensive. Come here book also the other thing where I think this is no accident that he just posted this and she was insurance that he is twenty nine point one million followers so I mean that would be right. You delete that like if you put it up and your wife was like what are you doing silly? And you'd be like delete. I think we need to keep an eye on this situation man. It's not the last we've heard from these two. I will say that I think Steph Mr Great Caption. Opportunity here because I ye. 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So what happened is that Amanda went on Instagram and posted a photo of her hand wearing an engagement ring next to a man's hand who's wearing some kind of wedding band. Yeah right so. This is shocking as we haven't heard that much from her right the former Nickelodeon star. It's like equal opportunity. Usually you have the trouble Disney Star. Nickelodeon needs to have some troubled stars to You know she's battled mental health issues and addiction issues. She said up and down over the years and so I think people were kind of shocked when this photo service where she's wearing this giant engagement ring with a dude's hand because it's like no one knew that she was even dating somebody then she also revealed on social media that she has a new ish face tattoo. Right right it was around. I WANNA say like New Year's Eve time that she I posted an image with what appears to be shakily drawn heart. Shakily John Hart Yang aim of our country band No that's true. It's like a lopsided kinda homemade SORTA scratcher tattoo on your face. She's also sporting a Septum ring. What what is the Septum? I thought that something like that. A plumbing thing with plumbing a septic tank. Yeah yes right. No it's the piercing you know right in the bottom of your nose hangs between your nostrils. So she's got that and she's been wearing it pretty often and now with the face Tattoo. She looks a lot different than when she was Amanda. Buy into his wearing colorful wigs or studying fashion in school right and so basically she posted this photo of the hands and then with the engagement ring and then she re and people did some research into this ring right in like did she say how many carrots it was and what it was or is that just something I think. That's some diamond. Experts have come out and said that the ring is the ring is the ring is a very large emerald cut ring with what looks like Baguettes on the side right and I think people are saying that it was like eight carats or something like that but that seems very large it is very large and then she mentioned that she revealed. This dude is released his face and then she she posted a picture of her alleged fiance which I always liked to be called in On instagram with like a picture of this guy behind her and it just said like lover or like referred to him as like she referred him. I think he's the love of her life when she did. The Ring Photo referred to him as her lover now. No one knows who this guy is. And how every every celebrity has these like massive engagement rings like everyone. Has these many many carrot kind of multi-million dollar rings but you know I don't know yeah I don't know when that trend's GonNa die well I think it's it sometimes obviously like jewelers or kind of hooking them up because at some point notice in reports about reality stars or Paris Hilton or whenever people get engaged. It's always like and the name of the jeweler is in there. Is You know prominently mentioned as well. So obviously there's like you know like on Vander pump rules. It's like always the same jewelry. Mike is supplying every pieces about kyle. So I don't know it. I don't know if they're getting them right. A deal or for free but it does seem like you know right according to reports Maggie. We don't know much about this guy but she met him apparently late last year. Remember that back in early twenty nineteen. She had checked into a mental health facility after a stress related relapse and in December. She had checked out of a sober living facility and was staying with her parents. Entertainment Tonight reported so it's unclear so far who this dude is or where she met him. She did post picture of him. Looks like a nice chap I suppose and diamond experts are estimating that this ring is an eight carat ring in a platinum setting. That's a massive ring. So whoever this dude is he must have lots of del well. That's it for this episode of we hear our show is produced by Jamila Sarah Williams and Melissa Casa Das. We'd love to hear your questions and ideas for the show. Is there a celebrity? You're dying for us to dish on. You know you're hot takes to US at PODCASTS. At Ny Post Dot Com to hear the latest we hear episodes. Be Sure to subscribe on Apple podcasts. Spotify or any of your preferred platforms. Don't forget to leave us a review. We'll be back tomorrow with more. Pay Six exclusives see them.

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