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2021-01-12- KSR - Hour 1

KSR

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2021-01-12- KSR - Hour 1

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Five zero two five seven one two navy aviation glass text machine seven seven to simpson four five two five four and this edition sponsored by tj smith. Law office called tj. He'll make him pay. We have a full house today. I got ryan and drew in lexington. I got shannon in louisville guys. How're you doing fine. How are you today sir. I'm doing all right drew. You missed all the excitement of yesterday but glad to have you. Today i was listening. That sounded like a difficult show to get through but it was a good conversation both ways so i enjoy listening. Yeah well we'll get to that in a little bit. John cale perry Talk last night on his On his radio show about it and and and sort of gave us another another leg on the whole kneeling thing. But let's talk about. I think the probably the biggest thing going today is the fact. The tonight kentucky plays for first place in the sec. The cats play alabama a game. If you told us two weeks ago that kentucky alabama would be first place in the sec. I don't think you would have thought either of those teams would have been in that place you wouldn't have thought alabama would be no and you probably certainly wouldn't a thought kentucky would be three now but that's the case and after all of the problems that have occurred so far this season kentucky can win at home tonight they will have sole possession of first place in the league which will be even. If it's just a four game run a fairly astounding accomplishment for this group. Considering how it started considering where it was the conversations being had the louisville game and actually ryan they come in tonight a one point favorite in vegas. They are actually a favourite at four and six against an undefeated in conference alabama team and only has one loss overall in no matter. What happens tonight and really no matter what happens the rest of the way that transformation. If you think about it has been absolutely crazy. I agree with you a week thinking back a week and a half ago there is no way i thought kentucky would be in his position at three and and be a favourite obama a team. I was thinking after that tennessee. After i saw what they did at tennessee i said okay. This is the best team in the conference. They're playing better than anybody right now. They are by the way that's true. I mean they beat alabama and florida on the road by double digits so they are in the driver's seat in the conference and if they were to win this game you start thinking like they're going to win the league because they've now won three road games against those three teams kentucky Tennessee and florida. You're right beat tennessee tennessee. Florida florida and kentucky at home and kentucky's playing the best. They've played all season. So for for vegas to think that kentucky's a favourite over that alabama team. Obviously we also kentucky played against florida on saturday. A new team with kiam brooks in the lineup. I never would have thought that answer. Your question. never saw it coming. Never would've predicted. This is what the position we're in tonight but with that said drew. I feel like we're in good shape. I feel like we can win. i mean alabama. they shoot a lot of threes. The nato style of play that they've tried to get going is now in full effect. You know they nato an interesting character. I mean he likes to talk trash. He's already talked trash with coach k. This year so far you may remember when we played them in the ncaa tournament. They kinda talked trash there as well. That's kind of the way he goes. But i like our chances tonight. I feel like we actually have been guarding the three better. I think alabama gives us some options. They're not a great defensive team. So hopefully we can use some of our new offensive prowess to score. I actually feel a lot of confidence. I did to alabama's very good. They're not a fluky undefeated. I mean they're complete team. That has been winning these games. Just all around but the kentucky team that showed up at florida. I think we'll be fine against us alabama team. I'm with ryan and probably everyone else. I was shocked by how good uk look. I picked him in the pre game win by one. But i don't think anyone had kion brooks having that much of an impact in his first game back with no or whatsoever so they can play anything close to what they were in gainesville at home tonight. I think they'll be fine. Even gets the number one team in the sec. So we'll continue to preview this game throughout the show and if you have if you have thoughts about it etc we'd love to hear it. But i do think we would be remiss if we didn't talk about the to less fun but also important stories and we'll start with tragic. Would which news has come out this morning. That uk baseball player and last year basketball walk on been jordan has passed away at the age of twenty two. That report initially comes from the newspaper and ashland he was from carter county out there or is from carter county. And that's the newspaper reported at i. You know twenty two years old was gonna play baseball this year. An absolute tragedy. I mean just awful. You've already seen online. A couple of guys on the basketball and baseball teams have posted thoughts about him. You know there's not much you can say ryan except You know. I mean this is a young kid and also a kid that was really beloved on both teams. I mean the basketball team really liked having him around last year i You know you heard players talking about how he added a lot of joy and people liked founding really interesting and then you know baseball you had a lot of success just an awful story for kentucky incredibly incredibly sad to hear this news and your heart just breaks for his family. You know these young man to have all this life ahead of images. It's just incredibly heartbreaking to hear this news today. yeah. I mean there's not much you can really say But this is just kind of coming out and and and developing and we'll you know if there's any other news about it we'll talk about it but i hope everybody will take a second to to you know. Give the thoughts and prayers to that family that community because we were they are ryan and they love him. You know in that. Ain't carter canning like that's going to be you talk about something that's gonna rock small place. I think that's gonna that's gonna happen. Oh yeah he is a. He is a hero in that community. One of the best athletes if not the best athlete to ever come out of that community there A guy that will legitimately coachman joan thought had a chance to play professional baseball. So it's it's very very sad to hear the news. The other thing you know yesterday show was was sort of. I actually spent a lot of time when it was over. Just kind of thinking about it. And i went back and listen to parts of it and and you know i knew that when we did yesterday show i knew we would have sort of a lot of conversation and calls about the whole kneeling during the florida game. It was actually more than i thought we would have. Thought we'd have a couple. It ended up being most every call we went to. That's what folks wanted to talk about it and that's fine. I mean you know one of the things that i say about this show you we will talk about. Whatever is the conversation in the state because that's what you talk about and even though it sometimes makes people uncomfortable that's what people are talking about so do ignore. It is just silliness. And that i think still to this day. The number one conversation amongst the uk fan base is the question about the kneeling. I actually thought the callers yesterday across the board did a really good job of articulating. It was kind of odd. We didn't have a whole lot of callers calling supporting the players. But i think there's a lot of those people out there. It was weird more calls kind of against it more of the messages. I got on the text machine. Were were supporting them. I thought everybody handled it well. I was very disappointed with the last call that ended it. I don't wanna go into detail about it. I just thought it had taken a conversation. That was otherwise respectful and sort of positive and turned it in a different direction. I i'm not saying that person intended that i don't know them but it was was not necessarily Then yesterday i was driving. Actually i was driving shaded out to the to the arena. The oh vw arena. When i got the thing that talked about the knox county which you know. Ryan knox canny. That's marvel that's that's that's mandate home right. That's the county that borders the county. I grew up in bell county. The knox county fiscal court. And you got to be careful. You can't say physical court. Because i will say that sometimes fiscal which is basically like the county. The county council passed a unanimous resolution. Asking the state legislature to fund the entirety of the university of kentucky in order to as punishment for the basketball team kneeling and have to tell you when i read that. I'm not sure when the last time. I'd been more disappointed about something. Not because i now because i think people can't be against the kneeling and all that has nothing to do with all that but to see a county government because that's what that is the government that is over knox county as a whole a county that like i grew up next to asking the state legislature to fund the entire university of kentucky. Not just the athletic department. The entire university was one of the most shannon. I'm trying to use my words carefully. Okay was one of the most short-sighted ridiculous things i've ever seen in my life i've seen kentucky government do a lotta silly things on all levels all parties. I don't think i've seen anything sillier than this. The idea that you would ask to defend the number one college in the state that produces the workforce this state needs in order to survive over a basketball team neely and it would be unanimous. I just literally. I couldn't believe it. I was on the phone talking rachel and she was like. I haven't heard you like this in a long time. I see i could not believe it and the thing that was baffling to me about it. Is i hope the folks that run the knox county government realize if they were to de-fund the university d you know who would suffer the most ryan the students from places like knox county. Yeah the first thing that would get cut would be aid to poor students. That's the first thing first thing that would get rid of because the people who could pay the tuition would be able to fund the place in the first group of people that would no longer be able to get an education. Are the people from places like knox county and hit me. When i saw that. I don't mean to keep beating up on those folks but it hit me. This conversation has gotten completely out of control. We now have folks arguing to take stands. That will only hurt them in order to send a message to nineteen year old kids. They'll never meet. I couldn't have been more disappointed. So i say all that not to pick on the share of in london who by the way the sheriff in laurel county who put that video up who so proud of it burnish shirts guess what. He did shannon what he do. He deleted the video and refused comment when media outlets them so proud of burning that shirt. Yeah wanted everybody to know and he deleted the video. I'm told he also put up an audio clip talking about us in the show and then when people responded he deleted that to be at least save the ashes urn or something. Oh i the undertaker's okay. But this conversation which i thought yesterday was handled really well in the show and people articulated their thoughts. Extremely well on another side to me has lost. Its mind and i hope. And i'll i'll end with this and then we'll talk about other things and open the phones and if you guys can call about what you want in parts of kentucky in eastern kentucky and western kentucky and rural areas where we've all been which are economically depressed. Please stop doing this stuff. You are only going to make it more difficult to bring economic success to these areas. I'm just gonna give you a fact. If a corporation wanted to build something in knox county kentucky or laurel county kentucky. You know what they would do. They would of course google to learn about the area and if they see law enforcement burden shirts and if they see the fiscal court saying we want to de-fund the university of kentucky do you think they're going to bring companies there nope no. You're only hurting yourselves. I'm on your side about wanting to elevate these areas but we have to stop doing stuff like that in this political climate. No corporation is going to bring a business to knox county. If the county government is saying de-fund the schools please to the government leaders. And i know a lot of you listen to this. Think about that before you pop off and start burning stuff and start pass resolutions. You're only hurting yourselves. We'll be right back to talk about jones. And the crew called clark's pop shop online at five. Oh five one. Ten eighty or one eight seven seven nine fourteen eighty or so does the kentucky brand or tweet of the day by twenty matt. Kyi sports radio. You're listening to kentucky sports radio on talk radio tenny quarterback sports radio five seven one today. Chain seventy seven two seven seven four. Five two five four brian. I didn't get too worked up here. Did i was trying to keep my as even keel is. That could well no but that. That's what's good about it because you you were from there you know. Those are your people. You represent southeastern kentucky people and so it means a lot to you. And so that's why i wouldn't want an issue comes up. And that part of the state you get very emotional about it because you want that area kentucky to succeed and when something like this happens in just embarrasses the knox county fiscal court embarrasses all of you in that embarrassment people. Somebody wrote me and said well. What are the players think. they're accomplishing. Here's the difference. The going to be fine in the fight between. And i don't even think it's five but in the fight between the players kneeling and these communities. These players will be fine they. They've got nba careers. We have to think about things beyond this. And that's where we're losing sight of greater you know. I read these stories about the people who who stormed in the capital. A lot of them are saying like didn't think this would happen. I got caught up in it. And you know what i bet. That's true about a lot of them. But you've got to take a step back and go do. I wanna ruin my life and get a felony for life to carry this odium around and we don't think about that and we're only hurting ourselves when we do it now. Let's switch gears to something positive before we go. The phones drew juan. Dale robinson entered the transfer portal yesterday afternoon. I had heard it was going to happen yesterday morning before the show. So when it didn't happen. I started getting a little concerned because i was like. Oh is it not going to happen. And it did. A lot of people believe he will end up in kentucky in. That could happen sooner rather than later. How big a deal would it be if he ends up being a cab. Oh it will be an enormous deal. I mean we saw last year last season that offense need some weapons and he was great in nebraska and you bring him here and make him the hometown kid making plays for uk. I think he can be a superstar if he chooses to make that his next destination and i know in the past he committed decommitted committed committed. I can't remember how many times and fans kinda soured on him and the staff kind of felt misled. But i think we can all say we'll put that behind us and extend our arms and welcome them home if he decides uk. And this isn't a kid. Ryan who just like went to another school didn't work. He was nebraska's best player. I mean you're looking at a kid who's had a lot of success. I mean how often does a transfer transfer who he's leaving and he was great there and he's i mean we're think about kentucky football for a second we're getting like nebraska's best player to maybe come to kentucky where he will be in the position that we've been the weakest for the last few years that is that is massive if it happens and of course he's from here started from day one as a freshman over there i mean. He went over there and played immediately as a true freshman. So yeah and you get allie back. You've heard freddie. Say he thinks this is the best. Incoming recruiting classes of receivers ever at kentucky. You got those four guys you add one delta the group into the new offensive scheme you got. You automatically have to be excited. What this offense can do next year with mondale added to it and he didn't just play right away nebraska. I'm pretty sure he set freshmen records. It wasn't a decent year that know we make fun of them now. That was pretty good program to set records. The moment he said on the field stepped on the field. That's how good he's been for them and you know now we'll hear the second part. Do you think he ends up coming. Well i i've heard for over a month. He's coming already. yes i mean. Even before the season was over right that was where were here. yes correct that he was coming slide. It seems like it's already been in the works that he's he's coming i would be. I would be shocked. If he did not end up at kentucky especially how he said to be closer to home. I mean that count. It really narrows the pool down where he could potentially go from nebraska. So i i'm at the point. I would be shocked if he didn't pretty upset. I've convinced myself. He'll be a cat next year he will be. I mean now. I don't you know i don't wanna get excited. But isn't i mean. Don't you think next year's team with the schedule. That's not nearly as hard with this group. I mean does it not make you excited about next season. Yeah i mentioned. All those receivers rodriguez smoke the two quarterbacks the offensive line offensive line all those guys came back on the line. My goodness just talking about now. Let's go let's get them out there right now and play outside of in davis. It's been a pretty perfect scenario for for uk. And i mean you'll take a trade of jamie davis pro if you get to keep people like daring canard on the offensive line coach. Jamie day third round pick is the only major loss the only one and you also bring in one robinson. That's pretty good. Who's well you said. One minute chain. yep well. I don't know where the problem is if i go if i start with one minute chain and then all of a sudden we may get somebody here. Let me let me read. Something that is that is different. What person writes man. I went back to watch the rumble to see shannon's jacket. Here's what i would tell him. He looked unbelievably handsome. The jacket was wonderful on him but big he did not. It was not a little bit perfectly. And i'm going to wear that every time i'm on. Tv now it's a great jacket. That's gotta be your go-to no though you didn't fill it out and it came from all snow so it means that much more it allowed to say it filled takeout back to kentucky sports radio to buy stock mortgage. Here's max jones. This is your go-to song when people leave But i feel like when there may be coming to us shannon. We should find one more. It has nothing to do with that. This is my morning jacket. It's about the jacket that i filled out it'll vw. I didn't make that distinction. Sorry i wasn't able to figure that out right. This isn't originally my morning jacket though right like this is somebody else. John denver. john denver. Bia this this well. Maybe his song but that's not him singing gave no but i don't think what people here they saw immediately thinking. It's my morning jacket. They're probably thinking john denver. Well you need to start thinking my morning. Jacket there from kentucky. So i'm some respect. I've talked you're exactly right. Bongos jackets and respect to its great jacket five. Oh to go ahead. Shannon says left a jacket on a jet plane and he just fill that out. Well snow said. I did mr patacula. I don't care. What matt jones. Andrew franklin vote to five seven one eighty. What rights mad. Archie disappointed land in young and drake. Jackson are leaving well. I mean gas but they graduate letting the young was there five years. I mean like you know. I'm not surprised those guys left. They were done and so but guys that could have come back and there was like eight of them. They got seven of them. Ryan j davis was really. The only one landed been there five years. He's married he's he's going to go to the nfl. He's gonna play on sundays. Drake's here's five. You're su freddie. Feels like he's gonna get a chance to play in the nfl. Also you can't begrudge guys. Because i want to make money and make millions of blaine f. l. Now you can't do you think those dudes will both play in the nfl. I do i do. especially landon. Land is gonna definitely get a shot. Drake and freddie feels like he's played him himself into a position where he's going to get shot in the nfl also. Yeah he's just a little undersized drying but otherwise. I think he's landing. I think they both will. And i think you know to kentucky kids from from right in lexington area who's up. I shan't jeff jeff jeff. Good how you doing matt good. Good listen i wanted to make my comment completely on the kneeling okay. Let me just say this. I won't be clear. I cannot have another show like yesterday okay. We just can't like it. Just i think folks. It's not going to get him into the game and all that if you wanna do a couple but i cannot have a show like that today again. Everybody understands we need to lead on it because of what happened yesterday but this is for folks who wonder why sometimes they'll say matt you say something you don't let people respond just for example. That's what yesterday showed is that becomes the whole show in one of those isn't bad but we don't want to have a million of it but go ahead. I'm sorry you make. I mean okay. So here's my thing i you know. I'm against that. But but as time has gone line i've i've got a little bit more acceptable of the mealy You know we hear the comment from the players in ever. We're the pro players and all that that it has nothing to do with the you know the the military the country and things like that. Okay you know what. Why don't people look at things a little bit different and say you know what instead of going out there neilan. I'll take one game one game out of twenty and we'll go out there and maybe have a shirt. I love united states or this country. It's all negative all the stuff they don't you don't usually jackie. Don't usually protest by saying something is wonderful. I mean protests by its very nature is saying something isn't acceptable. That's different than saying like you're not if you wear a shirt. Says i love america. That's not really a protest. okay. Well i mean then. I don't know how i mean the team. The team can't go do something on the site The i mean are they protest. Are they protesting. The you know the the military because you say we wanna thank you for what you've and they do that and the problem i i don't hear about it. Well that's but that's really more. No offence on you. K are and i appreciate the call. They have military folks that come in there all the time and drew and tyler. I've seen it drew. You've written those stories a million times about where they think officers or they'll have military appreciation day. They'll shake everybody's hand our friend. Matthew bradford is often around the programs and they talk about how the problem is folks. Just don't pay attention to that. When it happens they just skip to the next thing but it happens and then folks afterwards say well. Why don't they ever do that. Drew you know you cover it daily. They do it all the time. Yeah for forgive me. I don't remember the exact player but a couple of years ago. I got to go to coach cows office and be there for media while a player was speaking to the troops over skype or whatever it was back then just check it in and saying i mean we wrote about that i mean that was clearly supportive of the troops and i want to say it might have been alex marcus lead. But something they didn't have to do on their own time as a college kid but that stuff goes on all the time they show their support and plenty of ways. And and a lot of the time ryan. They do that stuff and they don't do media opportunities about it because they just do right. They're not necessarily doing it for attention. You know. I had a woman right yesterday and she was like matt. Why don't they ever do x y. and z. I sit link of three stories where they do all three of those things. It's just a natural part of humanity that the the the county governments in these counties. Don't salute them when they do that. They only sort of sensor the or not since there's not the word but they only saw reprimanded when they do something different. Yeah i think like what you just said that. We have a tendency to kind of glaze over those stories when they do meet with the veterans or they do talk to the veterans overseas. Because it's you know maybe not glorified enough. Maybe i don't know. I don't know why we do that but even myself. I didn't even know that story. That drew just said that they were somebody skype. The soldiers overseas at one time. I don't even remember seeing that story for the. That's my fault. I should have. Who's up next in d- d era you d. i'm good man I have a couple of comments to make but one the main one is that the Defenders are a bunch of dang bats and the next order of ding bats or those that are apoplectic about the neely. These players are not are slaves. We don't own them. They're individuals and they get to be individuals first and then they may be. Maybe they're good basketball player. Second all right into the next thing. I want to say is that ryan women's Response yesterday was genius. I'd like to have that That whole text Sent out some way He he was just outstanding yesterday. in his Very quickly Put together moment like he's wanted to do. But this time it was just g and i really wanted i well first of all i appreciate you say that you can get that you can hear it on the on the podcast if you haven't yet the oh okay. Yeah i do that good night. Yeah but i want to see it written out. I want the transcript. And it's very rare. Shaded people want a ride right. Normally ride transcripts are fun to read for different reasons but ryan is one they want the sort of ryan transcript ryan the genius limited like. We got to put that on his name. Now i'm happy. Sad look ryan getting the getting the approval of the The masses who's next case chase. Are you chase. Hey matt this is chase from knox county Heard a lot. I could say about yesterday. naas county fiscal court. Doesn't speak for me doesn't speak for a lot of people in knox county with their thoughts yesterday. the laurel county really made me mad the day before. And then yesterday this really set me over the top I'll be honest. I'm not the person to speak up on something like this. But i felt like i would call the first of all chase. I don't think and this is true for every single person out there. I hear people say that sometimes. Well i'm not the person to speak. That's what yes you are and even if you're by the way on the other side yes you are. Your voice matters in this stuff. I don't when i don't like when people don't believe that about themselves you you're member that county if you have a thought you should feel totally sort of validated to say it. Thank you Had so much society now I just wanna say that it does not matter where you come from what you look like what you talk lock where all human beings and just treating everybody with respect that you don't want to be treated with can go a long way in this world. I agree with that jason. Listen thank you for calling Where do you live in knox county. Gladly flat lake. So you're right next to bell county really close. Yeah go down to the pick. Pack all the time health picnic pick pack. I remember those. They're not many pick packs left arm. There's not how are there any pick packs outside of outside of flat lick pineville while the call. We has the wildcat trying to think ryan. Can you think of another pick pack. No you used to see them out does seem like we see them once in a while and traveled when we go out places once in a while. Well what's the name of the pizza place in pineville now chased us air. What's it called bob. Come about sauced yes. We have not one line two. Oh wow they're chain all right. Well i appreciate the call. You need to go to sauce shannon. I the rest of us have been there. I never been before they make you get to pick the toppings and they put on there and then they cook it and you can watch them do it. Although that may have changed covert. I'm not sure we'll take a break better than always pizza and barbara ville call my goodness break. We'll be right back. This is talk to matt. Jones and the crew. All the clark's papa. Shop online at five zero two seven one ten eighty or one eight seven seven nine four ten eighty g. Thanks for listening to kentucky. Sports radio talk radio. Ten eighty people really impressed. It's ri- guy called genius. Says this is how i know. 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Every i got way too excited about the football team this year in the preseason. I got way too excited about the basketball team in the preseason if we get one day i'm gonna want be excited again. Should i be excited. Drew it's a good question. We've gotten our hopes. I don't want say crushed. The football team ended up finishing well. Basketball teams turn it around. But can we be crazy excited about the football team again. I'm going to say absolutely you. Can and i am a countdown clock on my computer to kick off on september fourth. I this upcoming year was kinda supposed to be a rebuilding year. And i don't think anyone expected the off season they had the last week or two and can still potentially add wandel and who knows else could show up. So i'm shocked raven here and i cannot wait for next year. I think it's going to be a great year. Went from a rebuild to heck. Let's start mitch. Whispering atlanta again under our breath in the sec east. Yeah i'm excited about it. I i think there is a reason to be excited. I think the one thing we haven't had ryan the last well certainly last year is we haven't had the explosive playmaker on the outside as a receiver. Now you got it right now. You have that to go in with the rest of it. I think excitement is totally warranted. And it's going to be hard to count down until september and you mentioned with the schedule the way it is. You know flips. We've got tennessee at home. In florida at home and non conference games back on schedule. Lsu is our western conference opponent this year. Well let's us dan. I mean this this new offense coordinator everybody's back. I mean you should be able to get excited about it. So yeah that that person's right let yourself get excited about. These are rivals in the easter down. I mean tennessee's mess south carolina's a mess missouri. They did better than people expected but they still are. They're not great. I mean you can really win some games next season. maybe still a couple of big ones. Can i tell you something shannon. Yeah starting to get nervous about bill maher on friday while you nervous got my initial nerves are don't have anything to wear jacket me. Well here's the thing. I haven't i haven't like i haven't worn a suit in a year and a half. You know what i mean. So i put my suits on. And they're fine but like this is like this show is in hollywood and i haven't dressed up. I haven't worn anything but a hoodie. Or a polo. In long time. I think he should double down. Just were in. A poll showed together. The other thing is i was watching it like they. Enter like the panel. Discussion is like thirty minutes. And i was brought on there. I think to talk about one thing. And i kind of think they're going to talk about other stuff now and it's just feel like you can keep a conversation with a wall. So what are you. What are you worried about this. Because it's like. I've never done this. You know this is like h. Hbo tv before. Not only way is just another person. Well that's the other thing i mean. Look let's just imagine you're a viewer ryan you turn on the tv. You're like all right. I wanna see this bill maher. I know who that is. Oh kellyanne conway. I know who that is. Hey there's katie couric who's this other. Hey they're gonna know who you are after they that you gotta make a name for yourself. You gotta you know come off. Let's just be ridiculous. I'm going to be on that. I think the when katie couric was on for the first time. Who is this bill. Maher who hell's that ga. If i knew who bill maher was well. This is your office. Got point lead. Ask what she's wearing. I haven't talked. I like to do that. When i'm going to an event like hey what's on. I don't want to or kellyanne about their about their outfits. So i fly out ryan after the show on thursday. Okay okay now. Here's another thing. What i've never been able to pack a suit without it being wrinkled. Does anybody know how to do that. You can just get an iron. I'll tell you the best thing you can do is when you get the hotel. Turn the shower on high. Hang the suit in the shower but not getting wet and it will steam it out with do that for shirts. Does it work with the suit. Yes yes it helps. If you fold it inside out in your bag folks a little better youtube will tell you. But the steam shower is has been a flawless trick for me pantanal. Just make sure it doesn't get wet. I do that for shirts. I didn't know that would work for suits. Yep all right. I'll take your word for it. Five zero two five seven one eighty right. i noticed. I asked shane andrew. I didn't go to ride. 'cause i i was gonna suggest that iron. Your hotel iron said get an off color white shirt and there you go for it. Who's up next joe joe. What's up. Joe joe yeah man. I just wanted to see if anybody. Hurting on terence clark and be available at night Four space little more with allen and brooks paying back. You think that terrorists would make a big difference in the team as far him. I think they'd still love to have him playing at his best. He could help. But you know drew. I have not heard what the what the timeframe is for him to. Come back have you know. I haven't i know alabama's coach said they're preparing for him. But i think he just doing that to be ready on. Uk's in i don't know what the game plan is. yeah. I don't know i would say to you. I don't think they're in a rush to get him back because right now they've played the best basketball of the year without him. So i don't think there is a quick move to try to get him back on the four voice. My support for the players and both my grandparents were in the military. And that's what they went and fought for some people have their hot my son's biracial and live in moorhead. We go through a lot of racism throughout the school and stuff. So i mean just for them to have always stand up for what they believe in. And that's the biggest as they have at the young younger here so i really thought it was a great thing for them to come together and ask the coach for permission and really talk about it. I appreciate the call. Thank you much my friend. Who's next radio. Run radio ron. How're you well. Good morning man. i'm doing very well stabilized. Good yes indeed. I wanted to wish you and the entire gang happy new year and also i've been following. Uk sports since nineteen forty. Six at seventy five years. And i can't think of a one single day that i was more related than i was on saturday. January after the football team won that cater and then basketball team won in time was really pumped up and day in terms of like kentucky sports having both those games on the same day. I think i saw. They hadn't won a bowl game anna basketball game on the same day long long time so it was. It was a really great day. It was and one more quick thing that you know how you jump into the shower as a gesture of good luck. Yes i did something bizarre. I told everybody in my house. I don't want to know the story of the basketball game until the end. Shall i waited for three hours. I waited until your postgame show. And i heard your theme song and you said this is one of the greatest days since the cats one two teams and i said yes so. I didn't watch the game until you knew that we had one. I like that. I totally understand that. Will ron first of all. I'm glad your health is good. I've been following that. I hope you continue to do well. And it's always great to hear from you. Well thank you. Matt the very best to you and the gang. Yeah god bless you thank you very few. Yes i listen. I don't know ryan what's going to happen with the rest of the season but if it stays positive i think wall look back at that. Mississippi state game is the moment. The moment that dante allen finally got the show he stuff and opened up the offense for everybody and look where we are today tried bruiser flint and dante allen. They'll give place in uk lower because of that day. This team continues to play. Well we'll take a break. Be right back come back. our number. Two case are for the chinese menu.

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This American Doctor /// Part 2 /// 289

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This American Doctor /// Part 2 /// 289

"Welcome to true crime garage wherever you are whatever you're doing. Thanks for listening. I'm your host Nick in with me as always this guy is either wrong or perfectly right? Every time. He is the captain. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. It's good to be seen in skid to see you. Thanks for listening. Thanks for telling your mother. All right today. We are drinking bourbon barrel aged milk and cookies by the crafty brewers wicked. We'd brewing garage grade four and a quarter bottle caps out of five captain, I decided to steal the comments from an untapped check. In from one of my untapped friends. Andrew says bourbon barrel age milk and cookies as sweet smooth dark chocolate, cookies and slight bourbon taste, real solid. Stout. Beer for sure and Andrew you are exactly right. My friend. And this week's beer was brought to us by these great friends right here. First up we have Janetta and lakeville Massachusetts big shout. 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After the arrest of the beloved doctor, Vince Kilmer people in the town were needless to say shocked. Many of them are fused to believe. It was even true some theorized that it was a mercy killing the vents knew his dad was beyond help and decided to put him out of his misery. But as pointed out on this American life, Vince was a medical doctor, wouldn't it be more likely that he would do? So with pills rather than a violent strangulation severing the fingers and dumping the body. One thing about his patience as well. So many of its patients probably haven't seen him in a year and to know him as great doctor. Then all of a sudden, it's like your doctor murdered his father. I mean, it made no sense to anyone who knew and loved Vince gilmer events was extradited to Virginia where the body was found from North Carolina to stand trial pretty quickly after Vince was arrested. He confessed to strangling his father in his first court appearance for the first degree murder charge. He told the judge that his brain wasn't working. Right. Right. But he was assessed by psychologist and deemed fit to stand trial. It was while Vince was sitting in jail in Washington county Virginia that Vince started writing series of letters to the Bristol herald courrier newspaper based in Bristol Virginia. This is around March of two thousand and five while Vince admitted that he had killed his father and mutilated the corpse he said in these letters that the actual murder taking place in Tennessee, not Virginia that there was no reason he said for him to be in a Virginia jail at all. He had actually murdered his father in Carter county, Tennessee, he wrote, quote, I Vince Kilmer committed manslaughter on June twenty-ninth two thousand four it did not happen in Virginia. The only thing that happened in Virginia was the body ended up there. I am confessing it happened in Elizabeth in Tennessee. Now, Washington county Virginia sheriff's detectives were dubious of these claims instead, Vincent. Story had changed several times. He's also stating he's done in his right mind. Well, Vince says in one letter, quote each time, I tell the story it is a little different. You can't include every detail. Every time you tell a story a lot of it does not make sense. But that also shows it was not planned, and quote, it seemed that Vince was eager to prove that he hadn't planned the murder, and whatever it was he had done. He preferred to be held accountable in Tennessee. But even after meeting with Vince and receiving a full confession in person, Tennessee, authorities weren't able to confirm the any crime had taken place in their state. They only had Vince is word to go by the letters Vince sent to the herald carrier gave a glimpse into what would be the basis of Vince gilmer's defense at trial. Vince also gave several phone interviews with journalists from the paper several in person interviews and. Tv interview from prison, and he told the following story that on the day before he killed his father. He vents had stopped taking antidepressant Lexa pro Vince had decided he said that he could do without the drug. This is a little strange given that Vince was a medical doctor and should have known how unsafe it was to stop taking these drugs so abruptly right? If Vince gilmer went off, lex appro cold Turkey, he definitely could have suffered adverse effects, Vince. But would you really suffer them? So quickly. You'd think that there'd be some lag time like if you're taking the pill every twenty four hours or so like that if he just didn't take them one day. It's not like, you know, he stopped taking them a few days before. And now, we're going to have the facts those affects for the next couple of weeks could be pretty dramatic. Well, and that's what really calls a lot of this stuff into question one. What would be the expected outcome of of someone stopping taking these drugs so abruptly right? And then too they couldn't find any prescription for this stuff at all. So they they had little proof that he's taking them Davey was actually even taking them. Now. Vince did say repeatedly to psychologists prison doctors guards in the media that his brain was not working right without Lexa appro. In fact, he said in the wake of stopping taking the drug he didn't feel himself at all. Now. These are his words. Okay. He said he felt mentally retarded and reporters and others who met with him in prison notice that Vince would make strange head movements and gestures. He. He would shake he would become emotional and cry spontaneously and you're saying that's not normal to do. Well, it's not perceived to be normal. Okay. Why need to go see there? Well, the the other thing though, too because this is this is going to be come a key thing in this case in the story because a lot of this behavior in what Vince could have been doing before or at the time of the murder will fall into his defense. Right, right. Because Vince stated in a TV interview the one that we've been discussing from prison that he was not someone who could hurt anyone. He denied flat out that he hit intended to kill his father. Vincent letter stated that he killed his father in a fit of anger brought on by mental problems and years of resentment over childhood sexual abuse. He said, quote, I did not commit murder. The things that happened that night were beyond. And my control and quote way it actually happened that night according to fences letters, and he details this in these letters was this Vince was driving his father in his truck. Moving him to a closer nursing home with a plan to go kayaking along the way, but his father started taunting him during the ninety minute drive during which Vince stopped at an arby's and a gas station the taunting worsened Vince wrote, quote, my father started sexually molesting me. When I was six and my sister when she was three right mom tried to shelter us. But it kept on he continued to try to molest us as adults as they drove in said don't kept taunting quote. He was always saying filthy disgusting things to remind me of what happened he reached over and try to pull my head to his crotch, the voice. Voices took over from there. I started hearing voices telling me to kill people the voices in my head were telling me to kill my father, and quote why and to be clear about this to gilmer never said that his father was saying these things all the time. Like, the what he is claiming is at some point has father molested them for a series of years, then then it stopped. And then his dad didn't bring it up dad and talk about it. So now with his dad having some kind of dementia or whatever they're now riding in the car, and he's rubbing his son's leg and talking to them and harassing him about this time period. Almost. You know, an almost acting as if his son the doctor is not forty some years old or whatever he is at the time. But as as if he's a child, and so as that all that stuff is happening. You know, the doctor claims I dismissed, yeah. He says what what happened next was a blur, quote, nothing made sense from then on at some point he strangled his father and loaded his body into the back of the pickup, he waited until dark, and then stopped at food city and Elizabeth in to buy gloves and a tarp to cover the body in the truck bed. He stopped on a back road in decided to cut off Dalton's fingers and thumbs to try to hide the identity. He wrote, quote, I had a saw in my truck for sawing limbs in my yard. It took five minutes Vince told investigators he put the fingers in a plastic bag. And drop them in a river. This according to Carter county sheriff Hansen who met with Vincent prison on March sixteenth in this interview, Vince confessed to the murder on camera denying vehemently that he had planned the whole thing the sheriff and his deputies noted that Vince was acting very strange in that he was borderline incoherent rambling and couldn't complete a thought. And he was breathing hard shuffling, an agitated Vince told the man that he ended up in Washington county where he had lived in the nineteen nineties while studying as a resident at Bristol regional medical center in Tennessee saying, quote, I decided to drop the body on the side of the road. Mike cover up of the crime was pitiful. If I had planned this. I would have had something to cover the body with I covered the body. I didn't know where to go or what to do. I drove aimlessly. My brain was not working. Right right now, he he might have covered the body when it was in the truck bed. But when he dumped Dalton's lifeless body on the side of the road Dolton wasn't covered by anything. He was he was out there really for anybody buddy to find. Which was as I stated in the first episode. I thought was a little shocking in itself to make all of these moves in all these efforts to hide the identity of the victim. That would ultimately be found on the side of the road when he could've taken additional efforts to conceal the body itself even further right? And I think a lot a lot of this story to me is when this intelligent guy that for whatever reason snaps, but probably wouldn't have snap. Normally there's something going on with him. He snaps it. Then he kills his father. And then he tells you. You know, I could have done this better. I'm a smart guy. I could have covered him up better that my attempt to discard the body is a poor attempt and that sound sick. But I think he's trying to prove like, hey, I could Yama doctor. I could even done this better. Right. You guys are looking for proof of premeditated murder. I'm trying to provide you some proof that it was not premeditated. Right. And just the fact that he. Is a doctor and has again, I think struggling with something. But with the idea that like he's saying, look, I'm smart enough to. To have taken some steps. But my brain's not working enough to let me take all the steps. I probably needed to take. So that you ever find the body. Therefore, you'd never be able to charge me. Yeah. Well, obviously, we're just picking apart pieces of the interview that we mentioned as well as parts of the letters. But as far as the letters go the the herald courier reporter sums up the article about the letters as a whole and gives this evaluation and published it on March seventeenth two thousand five which read the letters which skip over the details of how the father died tell a sometimes rambling story of mental illness, rage and confusion. It's the latest twist and a case that investigators have called one of the most bizarre and gruesome in recent memory. I mean, it's definitely gruesome as far as. I just remember that kind of skimmed over the fact. You know that he basically cut off every single finger writing that he skims over. Yeah. Yeah. I decided to do this pulled over the side of the road it took five minutes. But yeah. But even the as a gruesome five minutes. Well, let's talk about the flip side of the coin because we have Vince gilmer who saying look, I I was out of my mind. I was not in control the murder was not premeditated inhabit as a result of all of these emerging factors right voices in my head. Yup. The the stop I stopped taking this drug multiple things here. So the other side would be that a lot of people, you know, said that it's pretty much evident from listening to the tapes of Vince, Vince, prison conversation with with friends and supporters that vents wanted people to believe that there was something wrong with him that there might. Might not be something wrong. He's acting. Yeah. Yeah. Then even pointed out that the news camera footage that showed him being placed in a police car. Well, it showed him having this sort of head Bob tick going on in that footage. Yeah. And he indicated the people around him that he had tremors that he could not explain now law enforcement and prosecutors weren't buying it. They labeled Vince gilmer as quote highly manipulative, they can duct it an experiment where they set up video cameras to film the exercise yard in the prison. The cameras would catch Vince playing basketball or exercising normally. But when an officer of the court or a guard would step into the scene Vince would start to shuffle suffer from ticks. Oh, faker and act physically not in control of his body. And then a short time later he would seem to return to normal starts playing. Air jordan. He's doing three sixty dunks. And then every time they get around. He's twitching. Right. He's he can't do anything. So can we get to air Jordan's trial? Yes. So undeterred by Vinci's assertions that he hadn't committed a crime in their state Washington county, prosecutors proceeded with the murder trial based on the state law that permitted them to prosecute the case since the body was recovered in Virginia. Vince Kilmer went to trial on August. Fifteenth two thousand and five prosecutors painted Vince as a cold blooded killer who planned the murder of his father. They pointed to the following circumstantial and other evidence one Vince confessed to killing his father to he had done. So in a brutal fashion strangling him twice and cutting off his fingers three Vince came prepared to commit murder with the Saul. And the rope already in his truck for someone who helped. Dalton into Vinci's truck that fateful day actually heard Vince say this is their testimony heard Vince say to his father, quote, I've been waiting for this day for a long time. Some other information Vince was overwhelmed by the amount of debt. He was in. There was also no evidence to back up. Vincent claims of abuse at the hands of his father. Furthermore at trial. The prosecution presented tapes of conversations Vince had in prison which were quite damning in the conversations with his mother and friends he appeared to be trying to manipulate the venue. He would be prosecuted in in order to get the most leniency remember, the letters newspaper where Vince said he shouldn't be on trial in Virginia brain because he actually killed his father in Tennessee. While on the tapes, Vince says to his mother a guy and here said Carter county ten. See is the best place to go to receive a shorter sentence. But he's also attacking people in prison. Well, and Virginia had the death penalty bright and in another phone call with a friend Vince mentioned that he was trying to work out a deal with a DA North Carolina sounded very much like Vince Gilmore was forum shopping, and his his story changed accordingly to try to get this thing where he wanted to go, right? But the nail in Vinson's coffin was hammered home by the fact that the clinical psychologist who had evaluated Vince to determine whether he was fit to stand trial found him to be restless agitated and fidgety. But concluded that Vince was faking this. This was all a big fake, according to them his quote symptoms, and quote, just didn't fit any known psychiatric disorder. He determined that. Vince was saying a psychiatrist who also exam. Convince found him to be evasive dramatic imitative the prosecution alleged that Vince had deliberately started acting bizarrely well prior to the murder as part of his long-term plan to fake insanity as a but he's been doing this for over a year or close to year. So you gotta think that's that's some commitment. Well, it's you can commit yourself before hand or you can find yourself committed to prison for the rest of your life or possibly facing a death penalty. Yeah. Now in a very questionable judgment, call the in. And I say that with all honesty, the judge agreed to allow Vince to represent himself at his trial. This is great. Yeah. We never we never liked this when pull the Bundy even when people seem to behaving somewhat. Normally he had a lawyer, Don Davidson present. With whom he consulted from time to time. But Vince was the one up there questioning people in front of the jury and by all accounts, it was a disaster. Yeah. Well, when you're attacking people in prison, and your counsellors changing your story and your constantly stating to people that there's something broken in your brain, your brain, not working, right? They let you defend yourself. Well, you also have to wonder is this also, hey, an attempt that I can put on a theatrical performance right in front of this jury, and maybe maybe somehow we get this. I've been deemed competent to stand trial, maybe my actions, or my theatrical presentation might change that opinion the that now my insanity defense is a real actual defense. So to sum this up. And I'm gonna use some other people's words to sum this up because I thought there was a lot of good play by play. So to speak on the way that this went down. Vince was not able to keep his train of thought this was very noticeable or effectively cross examine witnesses. He stumbled over words he forgot what he was talking about. And he rambled in a sort of stream of consciousness type of manner. Now Davidson said that he could not string together a thought or ask a coherent question. And that watching it was like watching someone commits suicide with a butter knife. And Vince is defense was a very unorthodox one Vince blame the actions on Sarah Tonen or rather the lack thereof. Now, remember, Vince is a medical doctor. He told anyone who would listen and many who wouldn't that? He knew what he needed to fix his brain. And it was and s s r I. Medication Vince told the jury that he suffered from withdrawal when he stopped taking his antidepressants at voices in his head had repeatedly told him to kill his father, his brain, he emphasized again was not working, right? Listen up. 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Well, regarding this trial, captain, I don't think that some of the best fiction authors out there could could script this thing. I mean, as as the way that it sounds that it was going down king could well there, you go is mother, Gloria testified at the trial, and she states that Dalton her husband Dalton Gilmore did have a history of mental problems, and he had violent outbursts towards her and the kids, but the prosecutors were able to show that there was really there really wasn't any evidence of the violent sexual abuse alleged by. Events. Right. Although Vince is sister was alleged to have backed up the abuse story. She disappeared prior to the trial. So Vince wasn't able to produce any corroborating witnesses and what witnesses he did call in. The course of the trial were frankly, relevant or even harmful to his cause. Gilmer's mental disorder argument backfired in court win his expert witness his expert witness claimed that his behavior sounded more like anxiety, rather than a disorder and Vince called his ex girlfriend to the stand asked her quote to the best of your knowledge. Have I hurt anyone or killed anyone to which she responded your father, right? Yeah. Well, the jury didn't buy Vinci's insanity defense Jour's noted that at times, Vince seemed quote nuts, but other times he was towed. Alie normal. They believed he was faking. They convicted him of first degree murder. The judge said at a post trial hearing, quote, the defendant would go into an act. He would look up to see if the jury was buying it when the jury wasn't buying it. He would go back to normal. It was clear that he was acting Vince was sentenced to life in prison and at the trial. The judge said the jury found you to be a cold blooded killer. He says this directly to Vince gilmer. Yes, that's where the story would end. Basically, we have this guy. That was a it was a great guy. It was great doctor. He a great husband for while. Then he has his car accident. Maybe that had some affect on him. Maybe it's maybe had some mental thing that was creeping up on him Salah, those things, you know, kinda re rear their ugly head over time and of age or maybe this trauma as. As as a child rears its ugly head, but either way he kills his father. Now, he's in jail. And that's kind of where the story would stop sent to prison for the rest of his life a life sentence. But now you have this guy that if you heard him talk. He definitely sounds like there's something wrong with him. Then to find out they he's attacking a he said at five or six times during this show, he keeps attacking people in prison. And now he's losing teeth because he's losing these fights. And he is not a fighter. And so then he is he's just not like well, right, right? He's. It's not a winning fighter is definitely if I too. But now you have this guy that took over his practice with the same last name. Yeah. And he's curious. Why are these people saying such good things about him? He knows what it takes what kind of man that takes to what kind of man or woman. I guess it takes to run this type of facility and then to hear what he did. It didn't line up to Ben gilmer. Right. And he starts asking some questions like any, you know, walk of life or any line of work or any career choice. You know, a lot of people can be doctors. But Dr Ben gilmer is hearing from previous patients and the staff that he works closely with that the former that the previous doctor, Dr Vince Kilmer the murderer was a good doctor, Russia great. Dr a caring. Doctor a good, man. Right. Yeah. So. That's where this story takes a bit of a twist because we've already talked about Dr Ben reaching out to Dr Vince who's already in prison by this time, they start off with just trading some letters back and forth. Then it goes to phone conversations. And then to meeting in person at the prison. Yeah. And through all of this correspondence the entire time. Dr Ben gilmer is he's wandering look the appearance of this man of Dr vents the appearance of the prisoner. The the the letters that he's writing the the words that he speaking the interactions with him. It looks to Dr Ben is this man is actually sick that he the, you know, regardless of, you know, Ben, Dr Ben knows that the authorities believe that Vince was manufacturing his symptoms. Right. But now, Dr Ben has to wonder what would be the incentive for Vince to continue. To fake these symptoms six years into the life term by the time that they start interacting with each other. Right. So the trials over there's no reason to fake it. You're not putting who you put in this fake show on for this might be real bright. And and also he took an oath. So what's the worst thing that can happen yet test it right it? Let's let's give them a test. And if we if we take the simple test, we might be able to figure out what's wrong with him. If there's anything wrong with them. So basically what happens is we have Dr bend. He decides that it's likely the Vince gilmer was actually sick. And he was determined to get to the bottom of it. So he's going, but he doesn't know what the what the affliction is. He doesn't know what's wrong with Vince gilmer. Right. So he returns to the prison in the company of inexperienced psychiatrist and the two of them met with Vince. So that the psychiatrists could observe Vince for himself. After the meeting the two doctors, they leave the prison. They they're talking. They're trying to come up with theories as to what could be wrong with Vince. And the psychiatrist actually didn't think that it was the SS RI withdrawal. He didn't think that that that that would explain what he was seeing. He also didn't my explain some of the symptoms, but not all of them. He also didn't even think that it was the head injury either. And they just kinda kept coming up empty in the beginning. And then eventually the psychiatrist says, you know, could he have convince have Huntington's disease to which Dr Ben thought to himself that this fits this might fit very rare. So Dr Ben was desperate to get Vince tested for Huntington's disease. The test is a simple blood test. And luckily these tests four Huntington's for the gene or one hundred percent. Accurate. There is virtually no chance for error. He was unsure how to proceed until three weeks later when he discovered that Vince had been moved to a psychiatric hospital after threatening to commit suicide with a razor blade that was found in his cell. Dr Ben met with a social worker at the hospital and suggested that they test Vince for Huntington's, and they did. And Dr Ben was not surprised to learn that the test was positive vents had forty three repeat markers for Huntington's disease. So what is Huntington disease are? Here's what I was able to find it is or no doctor. That's right. That's right. It is a hereditary neurological disease in which the carriers neurological condition deteriorates over time specifically, according to the mayo clinic the disease causes the progressive degeneration of nerve. Cells in the brain. Eventually it leads to loss of bodily and cognitive control. And then death. It has been described as a cruel combination of AOL S Parkinson's and Alzheimer's typically, there are no symptoms Antill age thirty or forty and then the severity of the cognitive and behavioral symptoms depends on the number of genetic markers for the disease. The sufferer has one of the common symptoms of the disease is a loss of control of the muscular system, resulting in dance like ticks. Also common are muscular rigidity, slow or abnormal movements, impaired, balance and difficulty speaking or swallowing, but other symptoms include cognitive deterioration personality changes impulsive mood. Swings irritability aggression, and even psychological symptoms typical typically associated with schizophrenia. Roar psychosis. So I knew there was something wrong. Just didn't know exactly what it was. Yes. Yes. And look I mean when we rattle off all of those symptoms and all of what could be going on with one individual that you're observing. That's a lot of different things here. They could be going on which could could be very difficult for even a very good doctor to pinpoint the actual disease or pinpoint what is actually going on with that person. Just based off of visually seeing them and mind, you a lot of these interactions are probably taking place on the other side of prison bars or at least glass, right? It is very often misdiagnosed apparently because the significant aspect of Huntington's is that it causes psychiatric disorders like depression, mania, bipolar disorder and can actually vary. Widely in the symptoms exhibited by different patients. Yeah. I would assume that this is misdiagnosed lies, bipolar or schizophrenia. Yes. And notably. Huntington's patients are noted often to clash with law enforcement, and this because of their uncontrollable, impulsive actions, or even drunken appearance, or their movements appear to be that of drunken person. When when really they're not obvious, right? This is a difficult thing here, captain because really what all this may suggest is that we have we definitely have this doctor, Dr Ben gilmer who's trying to find out what happened to Dr Vince gilmer. How did he go from being a caring loving doctor to to murdering his father? I don't think is that complex. He has Huntington's disease. And when you have that yet. But so so that last bit of information that that that I threw out there in regards to what I could find online about Huntington's disease. The portion of the of where it says Huntington's patients are noted to often clash with law enforcement. Look, I think that's a that's a difficult thing to really state and say at that way. You know, that's not my information. That's me passing along some information that I found right? And I don't know that the answer here is just simply that he has Huntington's disease. And that's why he killed his father doesn't that doesn't part of. It's a percentage of it. Right. I think that that could be a part of it. But I remember when they covered this on this American life that at some point I believe it was Sarah Canuk, she offered a maybe somewhat of an apology because I think some people came after the show in regards to how they may have represented or misrepresented people that are afflicted with Huntington's disease. Right. And I think that my take from hearing their show was not so much that they are. Pointing towards Huntington's diseases being the cause of this murder. No, I think really what this story tells me and keep in mind. This is not everybody's got a keep bear this in mind when when they listen to this show or or two other shows this American life didn't write this story. They didn't this isn't some fictitious story that they came up with. This is living is sraeli people. This is real life size called true crime garage, not a fictitious crime garage. They are simply reporting and telling the story of something that actually happened that involved a bunch of other people, and really what you have here is one doctors dedication, Dr Ben gilmer one doctors dedication to determine what was wrong what is wrong with the man that I see before me now six years after the murder what what is wrong with this individual that I'm interacting now with now. Not necessarily what was wrong with him. At the time. It might bring it might help bring some of that to light or give some suggestion as to what could have been going on with his individual before he murdered his father. But it's simply a doctor looking at a man in a prison in viewing him as a possible patient as a patient as somebody that he should try to take care of. And that's what they came the conclusion was that this man absolutely did have Huntington's disease, Jim. So I think that with this situation. I we have Dr Ben gilmer trying to look into this and see what was going on. He wants to know why just like we started off the show saying that often when we look at a murderer after the fact after we know that they're guilty after we know that they one hundred percent did it we still want to know why he wanted to know why I think in this situation, the Huntington's disease. Z's and God bless Dr Ben gilmer for for do. This was a lot of stuff. He didn't have to do a lot of effort that he didn't have to do this. Let's be honest, though, chances are if his last name's not gilmer, just like Vince gilmer the story stops with all the other guy kinda, you know, went off the deep end and killed his father. Okay. Cool moving on, you know. But the fact that it was taken over a practice, and you have the same name and their similarities that that's kind of what drove that that extra mile get to that answer. You know, where I think and but good because again, maybe it's just a percentage of the reason of why this murder took place, but. Like the big difference. When you especially if you listened to episode is when you hear them talk, the first time, Vince gilmer, and then you hear him talk after they put him on medicine, and it's like a different person. And he's not now attacking people get into two fights that he can't even he shouldn't be getting into. He's almost became a different person immediately within a couple days of being Medicated. Right. And I mean, you can sit there and say all you want that all he could have been could have been faking it. Maybe maybe maybe there was some faking going on. But it doesn't matter. We can't fake it. We know one hundred percent. Yeah. According to the blood test, you can't fake a blood test. So I don't know that Dr Ben Gilmore got his answer as to why. But then we're tasked with looking back on the story. And all the information, we know in wondering still wondering why. And I think that for me, I keep going back to the whole thing of was this actually premeditated. Or was it spur of the moment. I think that you can have all these factors. Go into y Dr Vince Gilmore committed this murder, and it still be premeditated. I think but then on the other side of the fence, you could have all these factors that went into it. And it not be premeditated at all. I do find it strange that they went way out of their way to this, quote, unquote, kayaking trip debt seems very weird to me I wouldn't discredit I wouldn't take away from the fact that we know that he likely had a severe head injury. I think that the percentage of this all too, I I agree. And I you know, we made a little light of it yesterday. But you know, you asked me have I seen or witnessed people throughout the history of the course of my life people behave sometimes dramatically different after a head injury. And the sad truth is, yes and. Often. It's not it's not, you know, someone is a good person and becomes a better person. It's usually it's some strange things that I wouldn't have. Thought about the person before the head injury. If that makes any sense I had a student that he came to me after a head injury. I wanna learn how to play guitar his in his sixties, and he didn't seem normal six year old he almost acting like a almost like an eight year old or tenure, but real nice, real polite and his and his girlfriend. God bless her. She said look he would were date in for just a little bit. Yeah. Accident work he basically acts like a little kid now. And, but you know, he's nice. He means well, and and so I didn't know him before. But I definitely saw the facts of it afterwards. And I know of at least one of individual that. I thought that I knew very well for a long period of time that you know, didn't ever get into much trouble. If it was it was all, you know, small time stuff. Normal teenager type stuff and this person at some point suffered a head injury may be more than one and later in life exhibited violent behaviors that I never thought they were capable of. Yeah. I think whether it's premeditated or not that that doesn't really matter. Too much to me because I like I said, I think it's a combination of having this disease is headed injury a lot of factors. The fact that you know, if if the allegations of molesting are true. You know, that's a factor as well. And then this crime takes place, but it's great to see that somebody cares and goes extra mile to say, hey, especially with mental illness because it's just something that we're not talking. We'd just don't talk about enough and this country, and it's like so taboo, then it's like the amount of emails that I still get for saying. Oh, so great that you talked about depression. We all should be talking about everybody faces depression at some point. And the fact that. That this is another thing by talking about this disease that somebody can go. Hey, my my uncle's act will straits, hey, maybe we can test them for this. And and I think it's open up the gate ways of communication. Yeah. Into be perfectly clear here. I mean, yes, we pointed out that the doctor Vince Kilmer at the time that he murdered his father. He was at the age where the symptoms of Huntington's are usually just starting to really set in and in the year before the crime, he exhibited that changes in behavior that we discussed including anxiety and other psychological symptoms. He suffered a significant head injury. But to be very clear Huntington's does not typically cause people to become violent. Okay. And same thing goes with head injuries. Does not typically cause people to become violent where simply looking at a very specific. Story of a man who killed his father and asking the question of why right, but each individual's be affected differently by a disease in each individual's going to be affected differently by head injury. Vince gilmer has since started to take S SRI medication selects to help stabilize his brain. And the results have been dramatic as pointed out by the captain as noted by Ben gilmer, Vince is now able to conduct a normal conversation and his symptoms have eased. But sadly, the only treatment for Huntington's is symptomatic. There is no cure in eventually, the disease will overtake Vince and his life. Now, Ben Gilmore and other advocates for Vince, including his attorney, Don Davidson and the Virginia innocence project are pushing for Vince to receive a conditional release from prison and be place. In a mental health facility to receive the care. He needs Vinson's diagnosis certainly calls. A question the constitutionality of allowing him to represent himself at trial. And of course, it calls into question. Whether Vince gilmer was in his right mind when he killed his father and cut off his fingers. Whatever struggles you're facing from depression, anxiety, trauma in grief that our help can connect you with the professional counselor and safe in private online environment. 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Tonight, winding their way back to the pandemic two candidates to glaringly opposite visions of the reality. This country faces and its ability to affect the outcome. Alley Jackson begins our coverage, the politics of the pandemic tonight central to the closing arguments for both candidates contending. Anyway, we're rounding the ending anyway Mr President. You have to have a little bit of shame. Let's a little bit of shame. Because people are dying. President trump tripling down Pennsylvania with three rallies. They're few masks and no social distancing. Joe. Biden, also in the states. Taking aim at these comments from the president's chief of staff slamming them as surrender to the corona virus. We're not going to control the pandemic. We are going to control the fact that we get Vaccines Therapeutics. For months as you well know. That he waved the white flag. All the way back. Then the White House is coming right out now and admitting what I said months ago was absolutely true. The president today arguing it's Biden surrendering wave the white flag on life he doesn't leave his basement. Expect. Absolutely the opposite President Trump insists the pandemic outlook is looking up what's up is the number of corona virus cases across the country including around the White House five people tied Vice President Mike Pence have now tested positive including his chief of staff pence who negative today is on the campaign trail despite the exposure to the virus, his office citing CDC guidelines for essential workers team trump boosting spending on ads to win over black voters efforts perhaps complicated by these new comments from the president senior adviser and son-in-law about many black communities. One thing we've seen in a lot of the the the black community, which is mostly Democrat is that president trump's policies. Are The policies that can help people break out of the problems that they're complaining about, but he can't want them to be successful more than they want to be successful top civil rights lawyer Ben crump slamming what he called Jared Kushner's blatant disrespect and lack of understanding the White House says, critics are taking Kushner out of context, the campaign rhetoric intensifying with just over a week until election day and already record turnout for early voting in person and by mail a White House celebration happening right now here is honoring the Supreme Court confirmation tonight of Amy Coney. Barrett. A month after her nomination and event in which fourteen people later tested positive for covert Lester. Halley, thank you just in the Senate holding that vote on confirming any coney. Barrett is the next justice of the Supreme Court Are Casey. Hunt joins us now from the capital Casey handed playout. Lester good evening the Senate tonight voting largely along party lines to confirm judge any Coney Barrett to fill the late justice, Ruth Bader Ginsburg seat on the Supreme Court just one month after president trump announced he planned to nominate her only one Republican Susan Collins of Maine voted against putting Barrett on the court. Every Democrat opposed her over concerns about abortion and particularly healthcare with the court expected to hear a case that could decide the future of the affordable care act just days after the election, there's nothing Democrats could do to stop the nomination and confirmation with only Republican votes was the most partisan confirmation in Supreme Court history. Lester all right Casey. Hunt on the hill for thanks there is a new fire emergency in southern California tonight driven by winds gusting to almost one hundred miles per hour tens of thousands of people forced to evacuate my Gal Alma Gary's on the. Front lines. Stand. It's not just the size and power of these wildfires exploding out of control today but the epic winds fanny them creating the perfect recipe for disaster. Fighting, flames and southern. California's the Orioles Santa Anna. Winds today the critical air attack was grounded after gusts reached ninety six miles an hour outside Los Angeles the power of a category to hurricane. This was the race to escape is over ninety thousand were forced to evacuate. Irvine. Even firefighters struggling to stand their ground to in critical condition. Bracing for an unprecedented wind across the state more than a million of had their power cut to prevent the very kind of disaster that could unfold tonight. What has been a historic, a deadly wildfire season. The winds fanning these flames are expected to last another twenty four hours last Sir Regale, you and your team stay safe from fires to Hurricane Zeta taking aim at the Gulf coast yet again in a record breaking season, our roker, joining us out what are you seeing? Lester Tropical Storm Watches hurricane watches up from Louisiana all the way to the panhandle of Florida with a Category One storm eighty miles per hour moving northwest at ten miles per hour. After hitting the Yucatan tonight, it gets out into the Gulf bringing heavy rain making landfall sometime late Wednesday night with flooding rain storm surge, and then races up into the northeast with heavy rain and wind as well. Storm surges anywhere from two to six freed all the way from Louisiana to the panhandle. Florida rainfall amounts locally up to six inches through the Mississippi River valley but all the way up into the northeast heavy rain as well. Lester. All right. 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Montana there's only one hospital which doubles as the nursing home there. No, I see us in the closest ventilator is one hundred, twenty miles away. How worried are you season I'm scared to death. Scared to death, the facility is overwhelmed and burning through. Because we're so small. It seems like around the back priority last year and across the Midwest growing concern about the toll on young people at the university, of Dayton, Freshman, Michael Lang died of complications he'll be looking down on us so. But he's eighteen. Years Way. Too Young. Way Too Young. Here in South Dakota Kobe hospitalizations hit a record for the second straight day Lester. Gave Gutierrez. Thank you. Our across America journey begins in the city that stood among the most vulnerable with Kovic. Shutdowns began the lifeblood of Las Vegas it's hospitality entertainment industries abruptly upended by the virus. Tonight, we hear from workers and business owners. Hope the path to recovery starts in the voting booth. Tonight crowds have returned to the iconic Vegas Strip, but in other parts of Sin City, it's a different story. Perhaps, no battleground state is still reeling from the covy shutdown like Nevada with a twelve point, six percent unemployment rate the second worst in the country, and so it's where my journey begins talking to people here about jobs about the economy who they think is best positioned to lead us a path to recovery my first stop a failing business. We, meet murdered Denardo at the used bookstore she's owned for nearly forty years. So you're calling it quits calling it quits our wonderful governor shut shut us down for two months. And a small business cannot survive. With being shut down for two months. Customers must be there devastated as as I am because. Of My customers, go back thirty, nine years Myrna told us she's voting for president trump a really believed that he has America's best interest at heart and he wants to keep the small businesses going. He knows what it's like to make payroll across town. We make Giovane Valencia Anderson Giovane was furlough from his job at a hotel restaurant. I'm trying to just put in jobs like thirty forty times a day to find something they have an eight year old daughter with special needs and Joe Vans. Benefits recently ran out. Are you making really hard choices on a daily and weekly basis? We've lost our vehicle we had to choose between pan our car no, and keeping a roof over our head. The Anderson's are both Democrats leaning they say towards Joe Biden, I liked his professionalism I like that he's had experience in the White House as vice president sitting here talking to Joe Biden President Trump but would you wanna tell him right now consider our family think about it on a personal level as if it was happening to you or your son daughter sister or brother and how would it? How would it make you feel? If they were struggling day-to-day a major flashpoint for both candidates those continuing Cova restrictions I will end this I will make sure we have a plan all he talks about a shut. Dad's no we're not going to shut down citing improving covert numbers. Last month bars were allowed to reopen in Nevada at fifty percent capacity. So how long were you actually closed? So we actually were closed twice. So we spoke to bar owner Derek Stone Bargar as living my American dream, and it was just literally just taken away. Who says he slowly bouncing back we took a law and that's something that I never expected to do but we're going to be able to crawl back from that as well. I mean the. Optimistic. About the future Derek is voting for Biden and now regrets his vote for President Trump in two thousand sixteen. I know now that now wasn't a state. NEEDS SOMEBODY WILL Plan leadership then they're Stewart. So back who runs an annual car show it was supposed to be this weekend but like so many big events here he was forced to cancel it. It was a huge a letdown for everybody involved. Everybody. He believes president trump will help bring his business and it's jobs back before cove. The economy was great. I WANNA. See the economy come back I WANNA see LAS. Vegas. Come back and I think he's demanded you that. And Join US tomorrow night on our journey across America talking to voters in Wisconsin and amid the record early voting turnout, we're seeing there is a danger that thousands of mail in ballots won't be counted Cynthia McFadden's no, and why they get rejected and what states are doing about it and tonight's vote watch. Tonight one percent that may matter that's the conservative estimate. Any mail in ballots will be rejected in the swing states like north. Carolina, were polls point to a neck and neck battle traditionally North Carolina only has three to five percent participation in absentee by mail, and we're projecting to be somewhere between twenty to thirty percent of voters who will use that voting method that could mean thousands of ballots rejected. This really matters doesn't it? It absolutely matters we. Definitely want to reduce our rejection rate and they've taken many steps to do. So voters whose mail-in ballot has been rejected we'll be notified and given the chance to fix or cure it. Voters can track their ballot online and this year North Carolina has two extra weeks to process mail in votes before Election Day other battleground states are not so lucky in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, they're expecting a huge increase in the number of mail in ballots from twenty. Sixteen. There are tracking systems, but no requirement in either state to notify voters if they're ballot is rejected when mail in ballots rejected most of the time it's because they arrive late many swing states are trying to help by extending deadlines in North Carolina by an extra nine days. But voter error is to fix and North Carolina voters must have a witness signed their ballot but many don't just comes down to a question of experience Professor Daniel, Smith tracks absentee. Ballots in real time you're voting by mail. It's like hopping on a Harley and thinking that you're just going to be able to zoom in the sunset but there are a whole set of rules and regulations that you need to know, and this year he says, there is evidence rejection mates, marinade double or even triple thus far we've had about ninety seven percents success rate with our absentee by mail ballots being completed properly the envelope materials and so forth. which is. We consider to be buried. Good professor. Smith points out a troubling reality black voters in North Carolina having their mail in ballots rejected two hundred percent more frequently than white voters. Three percent of African American ballots cast by mail had been flagged as a problem. Yeah. Eight tenths of a percent for white booder so far those numbers are going to continue to go up as voters wait and make mistakes explain that to me. We're not really sure why there's a discrepancy, but there is nothing about our process that. Favors one race over. Another does it concern you? It concerns me anytime. We are not able to tell a voter's ballot. She points out every one of those voters will be contacted and give it a Redo to fix their ballots still don't be surprised if many states end up in court arguing about what ballots can be Count Lester. Cynthia McFadden, thank you in just sixty seconds on the trail of the so-called murder. Hornets. Back. Now, with the first nest of so-called murder, Hornets found in the US Gotti Schwartz now goes inside the mission to destroy it. In. Washington state the search for an invasive species by what looked like invaders from space an army of biologists honing in on murder horns, stunning futuristic protective suits, and armed with plastic kitchen wrap a two by four and high-tech vacuum. A lot of Hornets in. There more we armor face facemasks, extra protection against the giant Asian Hornet, packing a massive. Stinger, and the ability to spit venom dangerous species known for decapitating bees by the thousands and taking over their hives found in a tree. It's the first murder Hornet nest to be discovered in the United States. How zeroed in on the colony borders on Scifi. By using radio signals these send out we can track where they are space for weeks. Researchers were frustrated. Trying to tie tiny trackers on the Hornets with dental floss losing some in the process until finally success. For now, scientists are hoping that the population of Murder Hornets is isolated to a small area in the Pacific northwest, but it might not be the only one we found one. But who knows what else out there? GOTTI SCHWARTZ ABC News. All. Right up next the alarming new Kovic Heart, warning? Back now, with the new warning about a surprising complication from covert nineteen, heart damage and Thompson now with the critical signs. Getting coded this summer changed sixty-six-year-old Mary sherline Brooks's life I only expected to attack my loan. Not, my heart hospitalized for three days. Brooks developed a heart flutter went home and a week later suffered heart failure. It was like a domino effect for me today New York's Mount Sinai Hospital reported sixty three percent of hospitalize covid patients studied had heart damage that could lead to heart attacks, pulmonary embolism and heart inflammation. We know the COVID is a disease of the lungs but how does it impact heart? I is directly by spreading from the lungs into the heart and the second. is indirectly by causing a whole body inflammatory response that can damage the heart. In Washington, Dr Cyrus had DDC's this impatience both with a history of heart trouble and those without most concerning for us is that we see many patients where young healthy and have never had pre existing heart conditions the warning signs, heart palpitations, and extreme shortness of breath. Now, medication is helping Brooks. I feel fine as researchers try to figure out if Cova damage to the heart is permanent and Thomson? NBC News. Up next discovery that has a lot of people over the moon tonight. Big announcement today from NASA and Tom Castillo tells us how it could change the future of space travel. Today's announcement is a stunner water molecules in the lunar soil right there. In a sunlit crater, we've known for years that water exists in ice form and the moon's dark polar caps. But to find traces of water in sunlit areas could mean a potential water source for future astronauts. We now know that water isn't just constrained to these cold. Dark places in that, it's actually possibly more widespread than we originally thought the water molecules are thought to come from micrometeorites that bombard the lunar surface. The question now is there enough water for humans and how accessible is it after a fifty year absence the next astronauts are set to return to the Moon in twenty twenty, four Tom Costello NBC News, Washington. That's nightly news this. Monday. From Las. Vegas for watching everyone I'm Lester. Holt please take care of yourself at each other good night. Hey everyone. It's Chris. As you know, these days I find it helpful to just take a step back from the day to day onslaught of news and take a broader look. The issues I haven't had time to cover on my TV show all in everything from the legacy of racism in America how community and creativity can flourish. It's pandemic to how Democrats could win and deep red. America. I do each week on my podcast. 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Full Episode: Friday, August 16, 2019

World News Tonight with David Muir

21:05 min | 1 year ago

Full Episode: Friday, August 16, 2019

"Are you hiring with indeed. You can post a job in minutes set up screener questions. Then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today. Indeed dot com slash tonight. That's indeed dot com slash tonight tonight. Several developing stories as we come on the biblical scaling new video just in showing dale earnhardt jr. baby daughter lifted from the burning wreckage after his jet crashed off the runway erupting into flames as authorities. He's released the nine one one calls for help also breaking tonight the nationwide outage causing chaos at airports across the country as the u._s. Customs computer network work goes down new york. Los angeles dallas all affected longlines stacking up the subway scare tonight. The manhunt after authorities discovered go three suspicious devices in new york city two left in a subway station during the morning commute now authorities asking the public. Have you seen this man <music>. The autopsy is in the jail cell. Death of jeffrey epstein with the medical examiner has now concluded fear factor president trump warning voters orders. The economy will crash without him saying quote your 4._0._1._k. We'll go down the to and you may hate him but have no choice but to vote for him. Six six hours on the tarmac the nightmare for passengers on a delta plane at an airport complaining about inhumane conditions before a brawl broke out police boarding the plane and man versus mother nature the close call for kayakers when a huge piece of ice comes crashing down this is a._b._c. Lose tonight with david and good evening. It's great to have you with us on a busy friday night. I'm thomas in for david several developing stories as we come on tonight tonight we begin with a stunning new images that amazing escape from a burning plane for nascar star dale earnhardt junior and his family the new video showing their plane on fire after skidding to a stop earnhardt's baby girl seen being taken out among the first to be rescued firefighters rushing to put out the flames of blackened shell all that's left of the plane and tonight investigators with the first details from inside that crash a._b._c. c._b._s. And saw me on the scene. Elizabeth and tennessee new cell phone video tonight shows the moment when they were all safe just just after the plane came to a stop and the fire starts the broken jetway opens. They pull the baby out. I and everyone gets out alive federal investigators tonight. I believe that the private jet carrying nascar legend dale earnhardt junior and his family bounced at least twice during landing before sliding off the runway and blowing up into this ball. All of fire came out of the air filter manson part. I witnesses who called for help cheered when the family ran out the girl. There's i wonder if the baby dog authorities say that surveillance video they've collected from nearby businesses. Show the plane hitting the runway so hard the right landing gear was destroyed roy sending the plane sliding through a fence and onto a highway. You can actually see the right mainland in years <hes> collapsing on the video earnhardt jr. his two pilots his wife and their fifteen month old not only walked away but without any serious injury it was his point and the former racing star was the only one who needed medical attention with cuts and bruises. The good lord was in charge on that flight. These are some of the things they left behind in the rush a child seat and other signs of what should have been an enjoyable start to the weekend. They're telling us that the plane could be for two days while investigators do their work now if you can see it but there's a fence that's wrapped around the body plane. That's the fence that the plane crashed through. When it skidded off the runway earnhardt jr. was here for the big race this weekend where he was working as a television analyst after getting released from the hospital last night he took the weekend off all right steve ocean saami joins us now from tennessee and steve we can see parts of that wreckage from the plane just over your shoulder their incredible earnhardt and his family survived and tonight we now i know why that fire was so intense. Tom authorities explain. It's because there was more than two thousand gallons of fuel on the plane. When it slid off the runway there was so much. I feel that some of it seeped into the stream that is directly behind me. They are out mitigating this right now and i can tell you that the smell of fuel here is still very very very strong. Tom so incredible. They all survived all right. Steve thank you next to the nationwide chaos. After the failure of customs computers at airports across the country the the image is still coming in at this hour arriving passengers you see them. They're standing in long lines at new york's j._f._k. The terminal packed with people at dulles airport in washington and seems like this in dallas. L._a.'s san francisco and other airports as well. A._b._c.'s senior transportation correspondent. David curly is at reagan airport in the capital longlines tonight at airports around the country at the height of the summer travel season on a friday evening airports wild house you can see it's just it's just nuts the customer service apparently suffering a computer system malfunction slowing if not halting some ports of entry the international arrival at capacity continue to a- gosh new york's j._f._k. I to report what became a nationwide problem from dallas to dulles l._a. Tamiami advice <unk> advice pushing and shoving got a little crazy over there as in line about two hours customs and border protection nearly an hour into the problem called it quote a temporary outage with its processing thank systems but added that it is still processing international travelers using alternative procedures but admitting that lines are long at some of the country's largest largest airports okay. David curly joins us now david. We saw those long lines just there in your report but now we're hearing that systems are starting to come back online. That's what they're telling. The systems are up there. Processing passengers going to take a while to deal with the backlog. This is not the first time tom this has happened. A year and a half ago. The system was down for about two hours as well interrupting international travel. Tom david curly with that breaking news from our airports all across the country david. Thank you now to the manhunt here. New york city after a bomb scare shut down a major subway station during the morning commute a massive response after two suspicious devices were found underground a third found about a mile away bomb squad teams. You see them right here carefully investigating soon after the n._y._p._d. Releasing surveillance images calling this man a person of interest a._b._c.'s benitez's. This is in lower manhattan at the height of new york city's busy morning commute the bomb squad racing to downtown manhattan reports of a possible explosive device finding winding three abandoned rice cookers one on the street near a trash can and two more inside a subway station police later giving the all clear no explosives inside inside it certainly is the kind of thing that we would want to know why is he placing them there and what is the purpose of that but that's scare closing streets and and snorkeling subway traffic pressure cooker and i mean out of nowhere and that's scary police calling the devices a hoax but tonight they are hunting for this person of interest spotted on subway surveillance video places the pressure cooker <hes> on the upper level and then on the lower level investigators zeroing in on that person of interest using some of the ten thousand surveillance cameras that routinely keep watch all over the city the n._y._p._d. On heightened alert alert ever since that pressure cooker bombing in new york's chelsea neighborhood back in two thousand sixteen injuring nearly three dozen people that attacker ahmad khan rahimi was later leader captured and convicted and told him in today's incident vigilant people who are paying attention solve those rice cookers and alerted police right away. We're we're now told. Police do know who that person of interested. Tom gio benitez with that manhunt tonight. Gio thank you and there are new developments in the investigation into the death of q hugh sex trafficker jeffrey epstein tonight. The medical examiner is out with the official causing manner of his death and it comes the woman accused by at least one young woman of recruiting underage rage girls for epstein was reportedly seen in public a._b._c. Stephanie ramos with the latest tonight the official cause of death for disgraced financier jeffrey epstein revealed revealed new york's chief medical examiner ruling the multimillionaire who was awaiting trial on federal sex trafficking charges died from suicide by hanging according to the new your times in epsteins autopsy. He hanged himself with enough force that he broke several bones in his neck guards who are supposed to check on him. Every thirty minutes fail all to do so according to sources those guards finding him early saturday morning in his manhattan jail cell the report comes as conspiracy theories swirled about how oh epstein could kill himself days after being removed from suicide watch and after an earlier suicide attempt all this as epsteins longtime associate galen maxwell was reportedly seen in public for the first time since the millionaire's death according to the new york post this image of her reading a book about c._i._a. Operatives was taken monday one day at a los angeles fast food restaurant a._b._c. News has now been able to verify the photo. Jeffrey epstein news network enabler stole from me. They robbed me the of my you by density. My innocence and myself were maxwell and three others were named this week as co conspirators a new law all suit brought by jennifer arose who claimed they helped facilitate her sexual assault by f. seen when she was just fourteen maxwell has denied similar allegations occasions in the past and has been charged with any crime the alleged co conspirators are now under the microscope even more so now the epsteins dive tonight two more women are suing epsteins estate claiming they were recruited by epstein employees who may have also also been one of his victims the southern district of new york and the n._y._p._d. Say they will continue to investigate tom. Yeah this is more and more accusers are coming forward all right stephanie. Thank you next to the shooting standoff in carter county and southern missouri officer serving in fiction notice early this morning hit by gunfire in apparent ambush other officers arriving arriving getting them to safety than taking places as the tense standoff went on. Here's a._b._c.'s chief. National correspondent matt gutman tonight that missouri standoff ongoing anywhere anyway police calling it an ambush officer serving eviction notice fired upon the suspect pinning officers down at least go indians <hes> a r k style rifle and shot down very active very fluid. <hes> got one person. That's <hes> that was suspect stayed inside the house. We've yet gonna contact with him. Those officers finally pulled from what had become a shooting gallery moving into the deputy. Now one of those officers saved by his ballistic vest. This shooting follows that standoff in philadelphia wednesday night six officer shot to others pinned down for hours that suspect nick also using eight semiautomatic rifle. Alright backup joins us now live and matt. I'm being told the suspect just surrendered yeah just moments ago. He surrendered to a swat swat team now. Those two officers who were shot tom. One of them has already been released. The other is in stable condition. Tom met up with those details. Just coming in matt thank you and and president trump has returned to politics. Now is doubling down on the economy after a roller-coaster week on wall street. The dow rising three hundred six points today ending with its third weekly loss austin ro. The president declared the economy is strong at a rally in new hampshire telling the crowd there they have no choice but to vote for him or lose their 4._0._1._k.'s and everything else else a._b._c.'s cure phillips. Is that the white house tonight. Twenty four hours after wall street took its deepest dive of the year president trump warned his supporters that without him they they can kiss their life savings goodbye. If for some reason i wouldn't have won the election. These markets would of crashed. That'll happen even more so in twenty twenty but you have no choice but to vote for me because you 4._0._1._k.'s down the tubes. Everything's gonna be so whether you love me or hate me. They gotta vote for me but there are growing fears of a recession markets markets on edge amid the president's trade war with china china who is going to be easy. Actually he did just last year. The president tweeting trade wars are good and easy easy to win in new hampshire. The president's rally interrupted by a protestor. Guys got a serious weight problem go home. We'll start exercising. Get him out of here. Please got a bigger problem than i do. Got a bigger problem than office turns out. The president singled out the wrong guy. The manny mocked was actually a supporter. He later got a friendly call. From air force. One the president leaving emma voicemail cure phillips joins us now from the white house incurable four heading out to that rally president trump pressure israel into blocking visit from the two american congresswoman. The move triggered international outrage and today israel seemed to back down a little. That's right tom. Congresswoman rashida to leave actually wanted the visit her ninety year old grandmother who lives in the west bank and today israel did agree to that but with one caveat the congresswoman would have to promise must in writing not to quote promote boycotts against israel well to leave refuse tweeting visiting my grandmother under these oppressive conditions ends stands against. I believe it. Tom cure for us tonight. Kira thank you and president trump is reportedly new real estate purchase floating the idea of the u._s. Us buying greenland greenland is autonomous territory of denmark and already the home of the fuel air base the u._s. military's northernmost outpost. It's not clear how serious as president trump is about the deal but greeland foreign minister shut it down saying we're open for business but not for sale next to the severe weather watch heading into the weekend nine million billion in the storm zone from colorado to illinois it comes after four reported tornadoes in kansas one of them right here in ulta avista and searing heat fueling wildfires in the west just evacuations for a time from this one in san jose a._b._c. senior meteorologist rob marciano tracking it all tonight rob evening. Get any tom and unusually lee strong. August jetstream is pointing severe weather and bad fire conditions especially in colorado there tonight you see red flag warnings across the western part of the severe thunderstorm watch just out east east of denver and across the high plains could have storms there that go to seventy five miles per hour there will rumble overnight just north of i seventy cruising through kansas city and just north of chicago saint louis doors and then during the day tomorrow late tomorrow night. These are mostly nighttime event by sunday morning. It's into chicago meantime in florida heavier in the past couple of days flood watches up for miami west palm tampa and fort myers right through the weekend another half a foot of rain possible tom in a rough summer for florida alright rob. Thanks much passing to report tonight. From hollywood peter fonda best known as a producer writer and actor in the nineteen sixty-nine counterculture classic easy rider has died in henry fonda and younger brother of jane fonda ronda. He died after a battle with lung cancer in a statement fondest family saying in honor of peter. Please raise a glass to freedom. Peter fonda was seventy nine and there's still much more ahead of world news tonight. This friday stranded on the tarmac. The six hour nightmare for passengers onboard a delta flight as tensions reached a boiling point of fight breaking you know police boarding the plane plus the dramatic rescue firefighters finding four small children inside a burning home alone the heroic actions they took and falling only is watch this. If a doctor close call the crash that has to kayakers. They are lucky to be alive more video. Stay with us tied down at work. 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Capterra software selection simplified back now with six hour nightmare for passengers stranded on the tarmac onboard a delta flight a._b._c.'s wilcox details passengers are furious tonight after sitting on the tarmac at j._f._k. For longer than the length of a cross country flight light say their flight to miami delay due to weather the plains sat on the tarmac for more than six hours on humane in other words treating everyone saying they felt trapped on the plane. A brawl broke out between two passengers forcing police to respond in the pilot to syndey strict warning warning physical carrying arguments and things being tossed around the cabin through a door. We can't have that. It's not safe okay for passengers and eventually the flight finally took off and landed in miami at three a._m. Eight hours late. I don't think that is anytime sufficient vision compensation for what people have to go through and yours delta tells us. It offered a bus for passengers who wanted to get off at this point. It's unclear if delta will face a fine. The airliner airliner claims the door was never closed for more than three hours top six hours stuck though all right well thanks so much time now for index heroic fire rescue inside of a saint louis apartment firefighters responding to the blaze when they discovered four children under the age of four inside that apartment alone three and cardiac arrest first responders performing warming c._p._r. On the street all four noun stable condition at the hospital and a consumer alert tonight involving a popular brand of chicken patty tyson foods issuing a voluntary recall from for more than thirty nine thousand pounds of weaver brand frozen chicken patties over concerns. They may be contaminated with quote extraneous materials. There's more information on our website and the close call with mother nature to kayakers your anchorage alaska. They were exploring the spencer glacier when they heard a massive ice bridge begin to collapse. I lo- low leave them with a massive crash into the water. Luckily there okay they called it. The biggest adrenaline rush of their lives finally tonight the retired teacher in texas with the lesson i aw it's america's strong in central texas so many are talking about retired teacher michelle girard and what she just that's her smiling smiling next to a former student chris barrington who just turned thirty years old. I had a hard life just two months ago. Police found chris who has special needs wandering the streets of gatesville when officers asked he couldn't remember the name of anyone who could help accept his junior high teacher miss miss gerard who hadn't seen him in years. What happens if i don't take it home and they said no we going into an institution. Listen not on my watch is not so she took him in and realized in his thirty years there was so much missed is never had a birthday present a they never had christmas thanksgiving. Nothing so michelle contacted a local fishing captain. Jimmy bennett who helps people with special needs the organized this birthday party spiderman cake even a a fishing trip. All for chris chris was so excited to get on that boat and cruise around lake waco as we were driving across the lake. He just said i love you. I love you. I love when he was having such a great time right now. Michelle is applied to become chris's guardian in the meantime. He's meeting new friends having new experiences and hopefully getting a new family so tonight we salute that texas teacher michelle girard for being america's strong. Thanks so much for watching. I'm tom yomas in new york. Have a great evening good night. Are you hiring with indeed. 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The Facebook Murders

Murder Minute

26:02 min | 1 year ago

The Facebook Murders

"Welcome to murder minute today. The story of the so-called facebook murderers but I I your true crime headlines a sixty year old Florida man has been arrested and charged with a decades old cold old case rape and law enforcement officials believed that he may be responsible for dozens. More Robert Eugene Koehler was arrested at his home in Palm Hambo Florida and charged with two counts of armed sexual battery for an attack which occurred three days after Christmas in one thousand nine hundred eighty three in in that incident color allegedly entered a woman's home stabbed her in the abdomen and raped her repeatedly. The woman survived. The attack and DNA sample was collected for the victim earlier this year. Investigators were finally able to match that DNA to suspect nearly forty years. After the crime police were able to identify their suspect after colors. Twenty nine year old son was arrested last year for an unrelated domestic violence incidents during that arrest police took a sample of the sons DNA and was entered into the FBI National DNA database that database return to match to a close relative in the unsolved pillowcase rapist crimes a series of rapes that terrorized south Florida in the nineteen eighties. Police were notified of the match and began surveillance on Robert Eugene Colour following him to a public place and collecting his DNA from items that he had touched caller. A registered sex offender was living in the Miami area at the time of the attacks and prosecutors now confirmed that his DNA is a match in twenty five rape cases. Authorities searched colors home after his arrest and found what they described as a dungeon in progress being constructed at residence as well as numerous safes containing women's jewelry and other souvenirs from his attacks. Colour pleaded not guilty. Not In an initial court hearing and is being held without bond in Miami Dade County. Additional charges are expected a sixteen year old boy in Utah is charged with four counts of murder and one count of attempted murder in the slaying of his mother and siblings in charging documents. Prosecutors laid out the details of the crimes which occurred at the family's home on January seventeenth of this year Sixteen Sixteen Year Old Colin Jeffery. Cj Haney stayed home from school that day and shot each member of his family as they returned home the first murders occurred around and one pm when Hanes mother and twelve year. Old sister were gunned down as they walked inside the house. An hour later his fifteen year old sister it was shot in the head and neck as she returned home a few hours after that at five seventeen PM fourteen year old Matthew Haney Arrive Tom and was shot execution style by his brother. Finally at six fifteen pm his father call and Haney was shot shot in the leg and then struggled with his son and eventually gained control of the gun C.. J. Haney went with his father to the hospital where he was arrested and charged. He has not cooperated with police and his father has not yet spoken with prosecutors. Police are still examining the crime scene and and do electron devices in an attempt to determine a motive. Cj Hanney has been charged as an adult and could face life in prison without possibility the F. Parole if he is convicted NYPD officer and his fiancee have been charged with murder for the death of the man's child. Eight year old. Thomas Velva was pronounced dead by medics after the couple claimed he had fallen in the driveway and injured his head and face. However the boy's injuries were not consistent with a fall and it was determined that hypothermia was a major factor in the death? It is believed that the child had been made to sleep in a cold garage overnight. Potentially as punishment this arrest comes after several child. Protective Service complaints have been levied against the couple. There seems to have been a long history of neglect and abuse within the home. And they're CPS case file is currently under audit got it. The officer has been suspended without pay until the issue is resolved and the couple is pleading not guilty. Those were your true crime headlines next story of cat fishing cyber bullying and murder but first a quick break will. Do you hear that sound. That's the sound of your new favourite game. True crime is my passion but sometimes even I need a break from all the court transcripts and autopsy reports so when I feel like I need a mental pallet L. The cleanser I play best feet best fiends engages my brain with challenging and fun Puzzle Games and Beautifully Animated adorable characters. The game is simple. The good guys are the bugs. 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Welcome back to murder minutes next the perplexing facebook murder case by the beginning of two thousand twelve. Billy clay pain and Billie Jean Hayworth seemed happy hopeful and in love the the mountain city couple who shared the same first name except for the spelling seemed to be enjoying one of the best new chapters of their lives but on January thirty first it all came crashing down when they were murdered in their home located in the northeast corner of Tennessee. Mountain city. Epitomizes mize's common notions of quaint small towns. Even the sign welcoming visitors reads a friendly hometown. Most everyone knows one. Another and serious crimes are virtually unheard of or at least they were before January thirty first two thousand twelve. The city's crime in general fell two point four times below the national average in two thousand eighteen in the largely Christian community. Nearly every homeboys us religious decor crosses paintings of Jesus cross-stitched Bible versus framed on walls and pillows and when someone dies loved ones and locals say they went home to be. With the Lord Billie Billie Jean met at the thread producing factory. Parkdale mills one of mountain in cities only plants billy than in. His early Thirties started working at the factory after finishing high school and never stopped like many of his peers here. He enjoyed dancing listening to music singing karaoke and occasionally popping prescription pain pills over time that have it became a serious opiate dependency. He sought treatment for Billie Jean known. Simply as billy too many began working for the plants cleaning department in two thousand nine nine newly into her twenties the conventionally pretty young woman who loved fishing hiking and thrift store shopping swiftly captured. Billy's attention soon. The attraction seemed mutual before long. The romance you're serious and Billie Jean moved in with billy they he lived with his dad. Billy ray pain senior best known as Possibl who owned the home. Less than two years later Billie Jean gave birth to a baby boy named Tyler welcoming the role of devoted father. Billy cut back on partying in his book too pretty to live the cat fishing. Murders of East Tennessee. Carter County Assistant district. Attorney Denis Brooks described the couple's final hours based on Pablo recollections that morning Pablo woke up readied himself for work and found Billie Jean the kitchen preparing a bottle for tyler. She asked him about his arm which she knew had been hurting after a brief conversation. Bill for work later that morning. According according to court records Roy Stevens a family friend who sometimes stayed at the home stop by to pick up his mail noticing. Billy and billy jeans cars ars still parked out front. He knocked on the front door. No one answered so he let himself in through an unlocked sliding door. He called for his friends but no one answered. Hearing into the bedroom. He discovered a shocking crime scene. Billy was lying on his back on the bed. Motionless and surrounded by blood. Roy Approached touched. Billy's arm and shook him then he quote backed up and said no no no realizing he was dead. He rushed out his car to prompt his wife Linda to call nine one trained in CPR. Menda hope to resuscitate billy but she found his body already stiff and cold when she searched for his pulse. She found that his throat had been slashed. Royden heard sounds coming from the second bedroom. There he discovered Billie Jean lifeless lifeless on the floor with a gunshot wound in her head. Still in her arms was seven months. Old Tyler alive. His mother's blood laddis feared like tragic warpaint on his forehead. News of the horrific murderers stunned the county and beyond for days regional news networks covered little house a professional photo of the young couple looking proud loving happy tyler smiling on Billie Jean Slap Yep will no doubt stay etched in the communities memory the following week New York Daily News released an article with the headline Tennessee. Hennessy father murderers couple after pair had deleted his adult daughter as a friend on facebook. Authorities say but as is usually the case of burns. It was a lot more complicated than that the day after the crime investigators interviewed a woman named Janelle Potter. Rumor had it that she had been involved in an online feud with the deceased couple had moved to mountain city with her family. Seven years prior and her take on the area makes the friendly hometown. Welcome sign seem like a farce people. Here do not like outsiders. She told twenty twenty twenty and two thousand fifteen chronic health problems including type one diabetes and anxiety issues led her to spend most of her time at home with restrict parents. And although like billy she was in her early thirties emotionally. She seemed a lot younger. Her facebook profile was full of photos of puppies and hearts with a bio that read. I'm a very sweet caring person for denial. Social Media. Media was more than an occasional pastime. facebook allowed her to feel connected to people outside of her family. She was even known to try to hug. Acquaintances insist strangers who were taken aback by gesture. Shortly after they would discover that she had sent them a facebook friend request when journals. Dad known known as buddy mentioned yet another one of these instances to a sheriff in passing the deputy suggested he do away with computer. But that computer buddy buddy said was all his daughter had in two thousand nine. How finally began making in real life friends with some of the locals including billy? Billy that may have been the beginning of her obsession with Billy Attorney Brooks told the sun he included her in social occasions like going rock climbing coming just hanging out to someone like do now. who leads such a boring sheltered life? That must've seemed like something special. Pharmacy Clark Tracey Tracy. Greenwell befriended do now too. She and her friends felt sorry for now. She said given how sheltered and six she often was tracy he introduced to. Now to billy's cousin. Jamie heard a romance blossomed which generic kept secret from her parents. But many have speculated that genetic also also had a crush on billy the next year when billy started dating Billie Jean. Jean Auel accused the Free Group of cyber bullying an unfriendly her on facebook. She told her parents that they bombarded her. With threats of violence bothered her with prank phone calls and drove past their home just to frighten her as for why they turned on her donell stated that she was simply too pretty Billie Billie Jean and their friends insisted at the opposite had been happening that donell was harassing them. The day after the murders Janelle her parents denied knowing anything about what happened. Denounce Boyfriend Jamie said. He was clueless to at the police station. After failing a lie detector test he asked investigators episode question. Shen is the here. Why in the world would this have anything to do? With this case footage from the police interview shows Jamie slumped into a black office chair and the Deputies Office. He's wearing a baseball cap and sunglasses. Even though it was after ten pm him and he just looks uncomfortable. And one point A. W. Leans towards him and says I'll tell you what's going to make you feel better when you tell us the truth. He then asked Jamie flat out who shot him he did he who buddy. Yes Jamie had just accused Gino's father a former marine who is getting up in years and relied on an oxygen tank to breathe normally. He then agrees to help. Detectives catch the man. He Calls Buddy with a recorder running and says to him while they're pointing fingers. He got rid of everything that was from bills. Didn't you yes buddy confirms. He had which was enough for officers to arrest the man in the middle of the night given buddies reputation for being gun loving and gun toting. Police took extra precautions when they approached the home. Good thing they did because as the approached but he reached behind his back for gun they were able to arrest him though and questioned him at length a cold blooded killer or protector of your family in officer prompted him. Which one are you? I'm a protector of my family to start with you replied but I did not do this. Then the detective told Buddy he knew he was sick and tired of people attacking and harassing his daughter. This approach sympathizing with the man started working but he spoke of threats on his life and his wife's since the bullying started visibly shaken and fighting tears. He added when you hear are people plotting to catch your daughter in a restroom and murder her. They want to rape her because she's a virgin. Several hours into the questioning body was full on crying. One of the officers asked whether his wife Barbara and Nell knew what he had done. No no he replied. That wasn't exactly a confession but it was close. So the officers. Let him call Barbara. Once she answered Buddy said before you find out from somebody else I want you to know I was involved in it. I did it some of it later in an interview with ABC ABC News Barbara detailed issues. She had with that confession. He was without oxygen and pressed for hours. She said which could have led him to make false statements. He didn't mean when investigators searched the potter home. They found an estimated sixty firearms as well as knives placed throughout the rooms but he even had an ammunition belt hanging over his oxygen tank in the living room. They found images of billy and and Billie Jean photos that had been posted on facebook on one. The Word Bitch was written not only that but the photos all appear appear to have been ripped in half like those stalking victim in a lifetime. Movie detective sees a range of items from the house including the photos does a computer and buddies truck which held garbage bags full of shredded documents. One of the investigators took on the tedious task of taping. Those shreds of paper back together forming over one hundred pages of emails between Barbara. And someone called Chris. WHO warned that billy and Billie Jean had been plotting to kill their daughter and this Chris Person He supposedly worked for the CIA based on the IP address? Those e mails didn't come from faraway office but from the Potter's home computer. The stomping ground of most of genetic interactions had the seemingly naive woman with limited social skills catfish her own parents like many catfish ploys. The email conversations station started out. Pretty Benign. Chris I emailed Barbara around the time. Billy and Billy Jean announced their engagement claiming to be an old friend of canals. Who wanted to look out for her? Gradually the messages grew so frequent. That Barbara forged a friendship with a persona. They share the details about their daily lives and families Barbara even started calling him son and signing her mom as the tension between Billy Lee. And Billy Jean heightened. Chris claimed that Billy dealt drugs and that Billie Jean and her friends were quote. No good horse. He claims if they wanted to rape now because she was a virgin and cut off her head and that they had to be stopped at all costs in one of her responses responses Barbara Roach. We've had enough. No one wants to kill anyone but we will journal cell phone records revealed more telling information mation not only did. She seem aware of her father. And boyfriends plans to kill billy and Billy Jean but she stood by while it happened acting as a go-between go between for the men around four. Am on the day of the murders. She texted Jamie yes. He's leaving now. I can hear the car then. I love you text expert ace APP when you get back shortly. After the young parents met their brutal deaths in August two thousand thirteen and police arrested John and Barbara. A few months later body was found guilty of the murders and given two life sentences for testifying vying against him. Jamie received a lesser sentence of twenty five years in prison. Prosecutors next task was more difficult convicting the mother and daughter of first degree murder even though they weren't present at the scene states arguments hinged on email records and Chris's identity their investigation instigation led to a police officer named Chris who had gone to school with Gino. The man had only vague memories of her but he obviously made an impact she even stole stole his facebook profile photo to pair with the CIA persona. In addition to those damning e mails investigators. Found Post Journal seemed to have written written under pseudonyms on an online forum called topics many were shared by the state at the trial. Including these excerpts. I know Billie Jean. That bitch has lived with more guys and had sex with eighty percent of mountain city. And this girl now I do know in passing but she is a good girl girl and was brought up right. You can tell everything is you're welcome and hello and thank you. And she is just a sweet girl. I will be praying for a a message directed at Billie Jean said. Fuck you and bill and your fucking so-called little baby fuck them. I hope they di Di di throughout a six day trial. The prosecution made the case. That general friend did everyone. She bullied including the murder victims on facebook and then accused them all of harassing and stalking her and that she and Barbara pushed. Daniel's father and boyfriend to kill when Christie groover hoover another daughter of Barbara and buddy took the stand. She testified that she did not have a good relationship with her family especially her mom she also said said while she tried to maintain a good relationship with general. Her sister made that difficult to now has trouble differentiating between jokes and reality. She said giving the example of a time now claimed she had untreatable cancer. Janelle had been coddled by their parents. Her entire life's at Christie and and she knew how to manipulate them. The defense tried to show that nells Bo Jamie could have type the emails in question. A neuropsychologist colleges testified that generic functions intellectually at a fourth grade level so how could should be competent enough to hack computers or know what she was typing in the end both journal and Barbara were found guilty of conspiracy to commit murder. Additionally Barbara was found guilty of tampering with evidence for tearing photos of the murder victims in front of police both women continued to deny any involvement in the murders after the verdict was read loved. Guan's of Billy Payne and Billie Jean Hayworth hugged and cried. It was like tons lifted off of me Beverly Garland. Billy's mom told Johnson cities W J H al TV it was just like you're sitting there on pins and needles but finally justice for Billy and Billy Jean. It's just like we can breathe now cat. Fishing doesn't usually lead to the slaying of innocent people but it does bring harm to countless people. An estimated the eighty three million facebook accounts are fake and nearly thirty percent of people have been harassed or made to feel uncomfortable by people assuming false identities experts cite boredom loneliness and revenge as common reasons and like many catfish have a history of compulsive lying and low self self esteem for the families of Billy Payne and Billie Jean Hayworth. These issues go far beyond statistics. They are life or death. Breath matters that stole their beloved kin. Billie Jean is remembered for her love of the outdoors. A good bargain and spending time with little tyler. Dr Billy was an avid coin. Collector who shared genes penchant for flea. Markets both attended church and cherish to their families the year following their murders in obituary for billy's father Pablo ran into local paper. It said he died of a broken heart and this has been murder minute for true crime anytime. Download the murder minute APP or follow us on Instagram at murder minute.

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Witchcraft Murders & Up In Flames

Bad In The Boondocks

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Witchcraft Murders & Up In Flames

"Own Today's episode of bad in the Boondocks we dig into the death of Christie. Bob Mu and the Ashland tragedy. You're listening to bat in the boondocks baby ban orange the boom Hey and welcome to bad in the boondocks served as always I am one of your host stand and I'm drew. How's it going? Everybody study in the holiday. Season is upon us. It is almost Christmas. Time assist will be a last episode until next year I've been out since December tenth baby and I'll have to go back to January thirteenth so then out aware prison. Yeah for selling drugs. I'm just picking you guys. I'm not a drug dealer but if I was then won't be struggling all money anyway. We're glad that you're here to listen to what you just left me hanging on everything. Because I had everything I was sitting over here. You're confessing on. I have nothing to say and you just leave me draw whatever. 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Hey I don't really ask for anything. Children are very spoiled. Don't ask for anything yes But anyways this case is going to be about Christie bum well Kristeva moon his siblings or sent to so so that is a boy Christi. Yeah Kristie Amou- anyways. They were sent from Paris to London to visit their sister for Christmas. Christie was h fifteen and his siblings ranged in age from eleven to twenty twenty two. Now why were they not living together that they was a divorce. There's something yeah well. What happened was really The mother which is madge elite who she divorced his dad. And I'll say the name later because I kind of forgot it but divorces dad and you know they move somewhere else and she founded her husband but what about the other children what she has them I don't I'm not sure. Maybe they went to live their own lives. I don't know okay I'm just saying Will magically anew. A new was twenty nine years old at the time and her boyfriend Eric. Bicker bicker be could be big boot. They could be the cubie. Maybe it's it's odd how you pronounce things and I think it is odd that we pronounce things. Well he was twenty the eight at the time and would come to believe that Christie was a witch and that lie will call Christie his life life before his torture was over. Christie is said to have baked for his sister and Eric to allow him to Die Christie Christie had over a hundred and thirty injuries to his body which were inflicted because the couple fell. He had cast a spell one of the other children but originally from a place in the Congo where witchcraft known as can dokie practiced magically. They're core convinced that Christie was a witch and they broke his teeth with a hammer US middle polls to beat on him pliers his ear. Louis out and heavy ceramic tiles were dropped on his head could lord and it's a scene gene. I can tell you that it is much seen. If you want to look it up you can but definitely not in our front thing because it's but Forced forced to join in on the torture were to his siblings who were also being abused and afraid they would face worse if they did not obey what they were told to do for three days. The children were told they had to pray for deliverance for the accusation that they had brought Voodoo into Eric's home home during that time none of them were allowed any food or water at all. Chrissy sisters would eventually admit to being which is is to avoid being beaten or abused Christie. Have wet himself and then he became the target of Eric's rage. Two brothers were also forced to join in on the torture including who won. Who was autistic? Use their well when torture was all over. All of the siblings were put into the bathtub. All of them. Yeah how big of a bathtub wasn't and Eric began to host all with cold water. When he saw the Christie was no longer moving? He stopped importing from the TUB at that. The only it was too late to save. Paramedics tried to save Christy. They were not successful and they found Christie siblings as well Kristeva move was pronounced dead on December twenty fifth two thousand ten and this is what he got for Christmas present during they day their days at the home of their sister there were calls made home though nothing was mentioned about what was going on. What is going through to their parents in court? What no you had? Your little hand up wasn't raising raising it from your question in court. Eric said he told Peer Bamboo. which was Christie's Christie's real father that he needed to come and get a son because he was a witch and if he did not come and get them he was going to kill him so I don't come get him? I'm I'm if somebody saying that much I was a witch. I'd probably go get them. Because they create this crap. They were very crazy but the thing is that well I don't I don't know why he didn't either call the police and say that he was very crazy or just do what the man said. Come and get him or exactly. Exactly why won't you just come and get them. It's it's very odd but I'm here said that he didn't think that Eric would horse on well obviously did. I'm a person's going to say that. Oh if you don't come and get on. I'm going to kill them. And if he says that the son of a witch that probably means that he's a little bit crazy so wait so he lived with his dad fulltime. Oh yes okay. And he went to visit the mall. Yah Okay okay. I got a little confused there as well. Our yeah okay. He said that he didn't think Eric would harm son because he was a kind man and even called him. Dad Bad in court magically sister was crying talk to Pal. They had wanted to help her. They have won't hurt to help them. AM and she wouldn't do it. Eric mccoo P. B.. Were not admit to murder though he did admit to manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility. From what he said was brain damage. Well this wasn't accepted by the court. Eric pled guilty he to two counts of Of causing actual bodily harm to the two sisters though naturally denied the assaults for what they did to Christie Christie. Just David Padgett further named for David Padgett having. You must be a famous famous joy in in England or so. Well where I can't remember Blau what because that was at the beginning of the story. They visit the sister in home home in London. One somewhere around. I think London in England. Yeah so there you go but He sentenced Erich magically to life in prison for that which in the end was a minimum sentence of thirty years for Eric and minimum. Well twenty five years for madly. They're just commented that the murder had a sadistic element and that it was a prolonged torture of a mental and physical physical kind. The judge have believed Eric have brain damage and that caused some to believe Christie was a witch quo also the belief in witchcraft. However Jinglin cannot excuse and assault to another person let alone the killing of of another human being? Well say that all the witch trials exactly say it all those people but you know I do believe the he had some type of brain damage because it does not appear that he was mean like that all the time. If the boy called him dead he was kind is lucky lucky snapped yeah Cuckoo Cuckoo Cuckoo. That have nothing to say for. I've nothing there but I thought that was a pretty good one and that's why I said that some people complain about what they get for Christmas because he got Death has Christmas resin. Oh Wow that should be. A movie should be breath for Christmas or just got a breaking news that some Carnival cruise ships collided in Mexico. Wow that you're up to the minute breaking news hosted by Stan. Well we might we. I add that in there for real. Okay what so you have something for od really yes. This is a story of the first legal hanging hanging in Carter County Ashland Kentucky in eighteen eighty one was a neat orderly little city situated situated on the Ohio River. Life in general was not exciting and Ashland. It's kind of like here Ashland Ohio and Ashland Flint Kentucky. Well you said the Ohio River yes own. The Ohio River Big River must be gone. They must go away. Okay from Ohio and so what. I don't know look it up. I'm not fact finder here sore throat. Choose new everything and like it. But that's the way that folks liked their as any town at had its share of crime. Robberies thefts fs and then occasional murder but the few homicides were usually stand up fights between drunken people maybe over a card game or woman and they required little or no debate. Were to solve then the town would once again go back to. Its little quite good life. Pick your average Ashland household and there would be the gibbons family almost everyone in town new the gibbons family or so they would claim after the night of the tragedy for years after until the story was finally put to rest folks. Folks would reminisce about the last time that they saw one or the other of the Gibbons family folks. There were three children the oldest was robert art aged seventeen. The poor crippled boy who had lost one leg a few years earlier in a run in with a freight car and that would probably be bad back in eighteen eighty one. The youngest was sterling. Eleven years old who thankfully had the good fortune of not being home on the night. That story begins. And then there was the daughter. Fanny Vani Fanny Fannie. Yes Fanny F. A. N. N. Y.. Okay physically developed beyond for fourteen years fanny had already learned. Learned what it takes to get men to turn their heads really. She was a neighborhood favorite with a magnetic personality and looks to match come on. That's a little little young to be trying to attract some men outgoing and cheerful. She had many friends and as we know now she also had some Not so welcome at Myers. She didn't say that she was trying to attract man said that she was developed beyond her years so she was well developed belt fourteen years old and she what it took so look attract awry and right maybe the man of the Family John. Gibbons wasn't Home very much things between him. And Mrs Gibbons worked out better that way working odd jobs and often gone for long weeks. He provided a meagre income that supported his family about as well as anyone else in the east end of Ashland. The mother Martha Gibbons by all accounts was a caring mother and the family seemed to blend right in with the rest of the neighborhood. Who would guess that this plane average family would become the center of one of the most extraordinary man made tragedies in the entire country me neither I guess well early? In the morning of December twenty fourth eighteen eighty one while most of ashland slumbered neighbors were aroused by the alarm of fire at the Gibbon. Small Frame House. Who in a matter of minutes? That concern townspeople rushed into the flames. That lit up the sky groping their way inside the burning house. They were horrified to find three bodies which they quickly dragged from the flames. James those that were there recognize the bodies as being Fannie gibbons fourteen her brother Robert Seventeen and a neighbor friend. Emma Emma call cut fifteen. Wow three physicians were soon on the scene and they made a startling announcement that all three victims had their skulls L. smashed in that was the cost of their death. Well that I mean that. Would I figure that that would be a better way to go. Then being burned alive for the as I feel being burned alive would hurt so bad. Evidence was also present to leave physicians to conclude that the girls had been brutally raped. The fire it was surmised had been set of course try to cover up the crime. Yep but I meant. They're stupid because they can just do tests and figure out well back in eighteen eighty one. I don't know how many tests if this is eighteen. Eighty couldn't see their their skulls were smashed in. They could see that exactly. So accenting fire doesn't really Cover up much as don but see. The bodies were found before they burn up into skulls. Busy one saying neighbor saw the fire alarms and I heard you got the news and drove them saying like even if they were burned. Oh Yeah you could see. Yeah Yeah I'm talking about is force them being knowing that they were raped. Okay okay now. That's different as dawn. Broke News of the crime quickly of course spread and the entire town was in an uproar. The public public was shot at the brutality of the murders. This was not the Ashland that they knew. The Hor- was almost more then could be comprehend about the decent people you know what but I meant like it is amazing. How much history is in one place you know? Yes yes I am on Ashland Kentucky Yep wherever you would not tho. That's who they wondered could do as such a thing. No one would be safe until the murderers were brought to justice. The wildest sorts of reports of course were circulated because it being a little small Maltau all business was suspended as the grief stricken community milled about trading rumors. And we're is going to have just a quick little break for word from sponsors you you all right and we are back Yes we now. you going to go and finish your store. Yes and I know that you guys are GonNa miss our lovely voices for the role bright. We're GONNA have a Okay well when don broke. Evidence will search for under the smoldering house bloody sheets and pillows were found and there was was an axe and crowbar both covered with hair and blood. These were all set aside as well as the night clothing of the children as evidence. Mrs Thomas the mother of Emma. The friend was questioned. Emma Kalka was her child from a former relationship. She he said that on the previous evening at around six o'clock Mrs Gibbons had stopped by her cottage and asked if Emma could stay at her house overnight to keep company with Fanny and Robert Mrs Gibbons and her son Sterling. We're going to go across the river to Iron Ohio to visit her daughter daughter and would be gone until the next day as usual. Mr Gibbons was off working somewhere and it would be nice if the children had some company. Yeah the Thomas House was just across the street from the Gibbons House and Mrs Thomas Readily consented with a smile and a wave. Emma put on her coat and said goodbye to her mother. It was the last time she saw her alive. It was a frosty clear December. Night neighbors reported hearing during the children talking and laughing up in the early evening until it was time to go to bed. Then it was silence. Mrs Thomas was up around four eight. AM and glanced out the window and saw nothing unusual at givens house. She yeah she went about our morning chores and windshied. Next look. Dowd was shortly before six. Am She stood at the window and silent speculation and she could see an unnatural light flickering through the window inside the Gibbons Opens House. She thought perhaps was a reflection of the moon but finally her fears were realized and she ran across the street yelling and fire hill fire. That was all Mrs Thomas New and so far. That was the most anyone new except for the person or persons who were responsible spaw way. So I'm in the house was in the plays dislike quadricep. Awesome okay so it was. It did burbs yet. She looked out so into the window. Writing Natural light which it was the fire They hurried and got the bodies out of the house so and then it went up in flames. Dusko that that is understanding. Did say that just a while ago. Yeah well her you know it takes a few times for stuff to register you just pay attention to me. Sometimes sometimes and two days later on December twenty six an overflow crowd turned out for services at the Methodist Episcopal church where services were held for the three victims afterwards. They were buried in a common grave at Ashland Cemetery. Now that afternoon John Means Acting Mayor called a meeting to raise money for a reward and to hire detectives to find the murderers over. A thousand dollars was raised raced in a few days and with that much money as Bait private detectives came from all of the surrounding states. Give us a lot about lamb. Yeah that's a lot uh-huh okay the first there the killer. According to one to tatum undoubtedly was John Gibbons the a father there was little evidence to substantiate this charging curiously the fact that one of the rape victims was his own daughter was overload overload. But that does happen. I mean it can't happen yet it on nevertheless there was nothing else to go on much. You're the populace was caught up in what was purely an option of guilt. That's getting accused of some. Is that because it follows policy even whenever you're acquitted. Are you know even if you did not do it. You are but she know what some people are always just going to help nope. I'm what you were harassed. The rest of basically the rest of your life con of Walnuts Posters Turks were rushed to print and sent out foreign wide for the arrest of John. Gibbons meanwhile Marshall Heflin had had serious doubts about the involvement of the father. He reasoned that the crime could not have been carried out by just one person. Furthermore or motive had not even been established Heflin realized that before the investigation could get back on track. Gibbons would have to be found and cleared of the charge an Oldie Saturday December thirty first he located gibbons in a remote area of West. Virginia what you can or the suspect or sunken while you can. But he needed he needed. Did you need to clear before. Yeah because he knew that it would never go a man if they didn't clear him. Then everybody's just GonNa say he was guilty and not looking by. Yeah yeah that's true. There Heflin broke the heart breaking news to give him to was still unaware of the tragedy member. He was off working exactly exactly the two road back to Ashland. Were Gibbons was quickly exonerated about proof that he had been in West Virginia the entire time so humiliated that detectives that blamed him caught the first train out of town and Heflin became the lead to take a few days later for a man Walton into the Ashland General store and bought a cigar. Mr Powell waited on the man who he knew slightly as regular or customer by the name of George. Ellis Powell said well now that Oh man. Gibbons is in the clear I wonder Who It is going to fall now at this statement Ellis was clearly startled and he evaded the friendly gaze of Powell album? LS turned Pale and his hand began to tremble. After regaining some control he blurted out that he had a clue who it might be and then murmur former something about states evidence before abruptly walking out the door under what he perceived was. The accusing. Is Powell a little suspicious. Ria as Ellis began walking. It seemed to him that everyone was star staring at him. Did they know he asked himself. After walking the streets for hours Ellis eventually found his way to the hotel room of Marshall Heflin who who invited him in remember. That is who at one is the detective. y'All's about Saint George George Ellis introduced himself said he lived near the Gibbons House and might know something about the killings after being seated. Ellis asked Heflin if he would be so kind on desk to explain to him. The legal meaning of states evidence Heflin informed him that anyone guilty of a crime could inform on on others involved in the crime and would likely get a lesser sentence than the other guilty party. That explanation seemed to have the desire to fake. Don't ellison he said that he wanted to relieve his conscious by making a statement. Heflin had made a reputation for himself self tracking down moon shiners over Mason County. He knew the law and what was required to get a confession that would impress the jurors he at once called in some witnesses to what he hoped would be forthcoming statement from Ellis. There are at least two versions of the first confession that Ellis had made implicating him. Fill William Neil and George craft but the they vary only slightly one's a little bit more graphic details details possibly more than one person was taking down the statement and neither was a skilled stenographer. And that's why there's a little bit of difference but the following. This is the less graphic of the two versions of his confession. A few evenings prior to the twenty four I met craft. Who stated that he was going to see Fanny Gibbons and take her some black candy that he was going then he was going to have intercourse with her and he won't immediate Komal well about midnight? The fatal night we all started craft Neil and myself and when we got the house craft raised the wind with an old accident stepped in. I kneel follow and I stayed behind on the porch and afterwards I went him MHM Robbie was the first one woke up and started to get up when kraft said you better. Last steel craft then went to bed where the two girls were sleeping and began to take improper liberties with them. Robbie said you had better stay away from their. When kraft hit him with the axe her he failed back on the lounge then plunge forward and fill fully six his feet from the bed under the stairs where he was found? The girl screened in craft jumped on the bed and they both said George Craft. Why are you here? For 'em also started to jump from the bed. When Neil choked her and pulled her onto the floor she fought him and I held hilter while he outraged her? Neil then struck her on the head with the big end of crow born. She instantly died after throwing up her hands. Craft also had some trouble with Fannie Gibbons and called on media come and help him then he outraged her and killed her. Neil proposed killing the girls and after they were dead I took some coal poured it over the bodies and set fire to them with match. Then then we left the house. Ellis claimed that they had been talking the matter over for several months and that a one occasion while they were all working working in the backyard. Together Emma Thomas Pass by Neil swore that he and tended to have carnal communication with her before Christmas us by in. That was the friend that was the edited version. Yes of the confess. Yes the Jesus Christ craft had made similar statements about Fannie Gibbons. LS would subsequently make aac several more confessions each made to fit. The prevailing. Circumstances Kraft and Neil were immediately arrested and taken to the county jail and castle. Oberg omit. Excuse me cattle. But Cat Litz burr about five miles away and remarkably were placed in the same sale with Ellis not surprisingly after a night in the same sale with kraft and Neil Ellis took back his confession that he made the previous evening but it was too late. So and on January sixteenth. They were put on trial. Neal was put on. Don't trial I. For the murder of 'em there was little condemning evidence produced by the prosecution. One woman said that she saw Ellis Crofton Neil. The morning of the murder a half a mile away from the murder site other said Neal was uneasy following the murders and told told them he feared suspicion. Jd House a man who helped to remove the bodies from the Burning House testified that he saw neil standing just fifty feet away from on the blaze. There was actually no physical evidence presented at all but then the prosecution they had a star witness. George Ellis us which was one of the men LS was calm and composed and he unwavered in his testimony. And the defense team was headed up by Thomas Crown. The key you witnessed for the defense was Mrs Ellis. who was called and testified that she awoke midnight and at four thirty eight? AM and her husband. was there each time. She said she heard no noise and did not believe her husband left the house at nine or whatever the such a cover up I'll vaporware six eighteen eighty two. After only seventeen minutes of deliberation. The jury found Neil guilty and sentenced in. Its Tim to hang on February fourteenth. A few days later craft was convicted on the same evidence and was is also sentenced to the gallows on the same date. Oh I'm sorry around midnight at night. A group of about twenty men with black hoods covering during their faces took over the engine house of the railroad in Ashland which is how they were transporting the prisoners are they arrived to cat limits bird at about three am and converging urging on the jail. They demanded admittance which was refused. Storming by force. George Ellis was soon led out. He was taken back to Ashland excellent where he was hanging. Almost Sycamore Tree. Near the scene of the murders. Witnesses said the Ellis mets fate calmly as though he knew this time. He was uncommon and made his final statement as in his original confession. He said that he craft and Neil were guilty. His last request was that his body not commute elated. He declined yeah. He declined opportunity to pray saying that he was prepared to die. The Sycamore or tree stood about one hundred yards from the burned down house on the same tree on the same limb was a swing. That neighborhood children have played. They don't in happier days. The body of Ellis was allowed to hang until the next afternoon. When it was cut down by the corner death was ruled to who have come at the hands of person or persons unknown Dang? Well that was a UH hanging but that was pretty good It was pretty good. Uh All right but we'll that's what we got for you today. 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Day 959: Trump won't stop insisting he was right about Hurricane Dorian and Alabama

The 11th Hour with Brian Williams

43:05 min | 1 year ago

Day 959: Trump won't stop insisting he was right about Hurricane Dorian and Alabama

"Tonight we have a special extended edition of our broadcast for you covering the dual stories of this hurricane churning up the east coast and the political damage. The storm continues to indirectly cause tonight. We're live along the atlantic coast. We'll talk live with some of the local officials there as the president entered day a five of his fixation on alabama. There are also stories of political intrigue out of this trump administration just tonight including the new reporting that trump's daughter and son-in-law are trying perhaps to push mike pence off the twenty thousand ticket all of as the eleventh hour gets underway on this thursday night. Well good evening once again from our n._b._c. News headquarters here in new york day nine fifty nine of the trump administration and we are tracking hurricane dorian as it crawls up the coast of the carolinas where the folks there are just starting a long night. The national oh hurricane center has just released its eleven pm eastern time update our own meteorologist bill karen's. We'll have the new forecast specifics at the board for all of us in just moments but the headline is right now dory and still a category two hurricane sustain wins at the core of one hundred twenty miles an hour august two more than that center the storm just off the coast of wilmington north carolina forecasters still warning of life threatening storm surge dangerous dangerous winds all along the carolinas. Were approaching a high tide just after one a._m. Eastern time tonight that will affect many of the places in the path this storm. These were the conditions several hours ago. This is thirty four miles off the coast of cape fear north carolina on the old coastguard light i tower and helipad known as the frying pan as the storm closed in and old glory was struggling to hang on and look at this graphic. This is the goes satellite image from noah of dorey as the sunset tonight. It shows just how massive this system is has put it this way. If you live in boston new york west virginia western pennsylvania it's cloudy where you are tonight all because because of this one huge storm from florida to maine the cloud cover stretches along the entire east coast now while the the hurricanes. I has remained offshore. The storm has already caused so much damage in the carolinas charleston was battered heavy wind and rain today parts parts of the already low lying city saw heavy flooding from the storm surge multiple tornadoes also reported in both north and south carolina this video taken in north myrtle beach south carolina earlier today and in emerald isle north carolina a tornado rip through a mobile home park leaving behind severe veered damage. There were also still following the increasingly dire situation in the northern bahamas tonight. The death toll there now stands stands at thirty but it's feared to be in the hundreds. If not worse there is catastrophic damage on the avocado islands hard hit by the category five storm over the weekend. Remember it was parked over them for days and the situation for survivors there grows more desperate by the our our own morgan chessy was able to make it to the battered great avocado island today he'll join us with a full report in just a few minutes tenets as we mentioned the national hurricane center forecast is just out for that. We have our own meteorologist bill karen's extending his day into our our broadcast tonight. Hey bill thanks brian. The new advisory is in no big surprises. We continue to watch the storm that is moving right along the coast. We've been saying that for what four days now and this is is now the eighth day in a row that we've been calling this hurricane doreen we have about twelve hours left and then it will be passed the outer banks and up to this point. I'd i'd say most people in the carolinas in georgia and florida would say this has been a minor hurricane. We'll wait and see you tonight. As we get a possible landfall. It has one little punch. I left for carteret county in the outer banks so one hundred mph winds maximum sustained possibility could still get about one ten to one fifteen and this is what we like to see. We're finally moving this thing northeast at thirteen miles per hour and it's going to begin to accelerate towards morehead city in the outer banks again about twelve hours. It'll be passed cape hatteras. I so let's get into the forecast cone in the hurricane center had it making landfall over areas right around morehead city to cape lookout the beaufort the area and now they've shifted just a little bit further offshore so we're not even guaranteed. There were definitely gonna get that. Landfall doesn't really matter as much you know the reason we concerned about that as some of the strongest winds are right in the core of the eye and so we could get more wins on shore so every mile we can inside offshore better and as i said ninety mph winds by the time we get to about six to the eight a._m. Tomorrow morning weakening down to a category one and the outer banks can deal with a category what they're used to getting hit by the storm but once every four years and the building codes are very strict so i would not see a lot of wind which category one on the outer banks the speaking of the winds. Myrtle beach has been in the fifties for hours. It's like tropical storm that will never end and but you didn't have extreme winds willington not bad at all. This is as close as a storms into get you in. You're only at forty three mile per hour. Wind you notice there's still strong out we keep saying the core of the storm well this one buoy out here disgusted eighty nine miles per hour and that would be enough to do some damage it was on land but the core is offshore and we'll have to see if this band of heavy rain on the outside side of it will rotate inland into carter county a little later so right now cape lookout city. You're forty eight to fifty five. Maybe some scattered power outages as we go throughout the night. This is is poised at six a._m. So then we have that path possibly just south of this region the heaviest stuff heading up towards cape hatters so it's gonna fly but we still could get gust to seventy five ninety five miles per hour and then by the time we get to about ten a._m. That's when it starts to head out to sea still obviously very heavy rain and that should be one of the issues that we go throughout the nights is how much rainfalls how quickly and do we get some of that flash flooding with this storm so brian. I'd say overall especially when you see what's happened in the bahamas. We're fairing pretty well and as the storm continues the weekend and i think there's a lot of people that are just thankful. It wasn't a lot worse but we're not done. We're not gonna not writing it off yet. We'll wait and see if we get that landfall overnight. Okay bill who will be with us as part of our live extended coverage here tonight bill. Thank you for that the eleven p._m. Update for the latest on this storm's impact right now. Let's go to one of the places. We just mentioned wilmington north carolina n._b._c. News correspondent cow perry is there standing by for us. Callous looks like you're getting the precept that was promised yeah so three inches of rain in the last three hours that has officials a little bit concerned. I'm undercover here here. I can put my cover on and just show you forty six mile. An hour winds now bad like bill carrey and said not a lot of dramatics here from this live shot location. Look part of the story here. Brian is the two hurricanes in less than a year for wilmington. It was a year ago next week when we saw hurricane florence come and that's really been instrumental in how people have prepared for this storm storm. A number of people have chosen to stay in wilmington because a year ago the flooding went on the interstate. The city was cut off for four days. This city became an island silence separated from the rest of the state so that is on the minds of people who couldn't get back to their homes a year ago which is why we've seen not only boarded up stores but a lot of people staying not out of the woods just yet officials still want people to hunker down but clearly as we get more and more news out of the bahamas it seems as though this storm staying off shore is certainly good news for wilmington north carolina brian cal perry. Thank you for that as well and bill both pointed out wilmington north carolina. This is not their first rodeo where hurricane coming up the coast for them is concerned with dorian continuing to track north. We wanna hear more about the damage that the storm left behind behind in south carolina. We've been talking about that for two days on the phone with us tonight. The mayor of myrtle beach brenda bethune mayor. Tell us about your trees. Tell us about your power. Lines your streets and because we have to ask has anyone done anything. Stupid or people heeded the warnings well. I'm assuming you're asking about the stupid part because of the red jeep that was found in the today <hes> <hes> brian we <hes> we actually fared very well and myrtle beach <hes>. We experienced a lot of wind more than expected rain but you know with what we were used to with hurricane florence last year. We didn't have the flooding that was surrounding us and we were very grateful for that. We actually did very very well. We have crews that are already out assessing the damage and cleanup crews are lined up to get out first first thing in the morning and get our beaches back up and open for visitors to come. It was eerie. I saw some live reporting from myrtle beach on the eve of the storm arm people who don't know myrtle beach. It's a place where you can have just about the most fun on the east coast and this however this week after the labor day weekend a and it was absolutely empty and i i'm imagining you're proud of the fact that you did heed the warnings and you got people out of harm's way especially especially these tornados were looking at absolutely people paid attention to the governor's request that were the actually the governor's order and and that's very rare for here <hes> i think that we get so used to these storms coming that we take it for granted sometimes that it won't be as bad as is what we're told but this time people did leave and especially our visitors and we are very grateful for that but now we're ready to recover and they'd get back to normal open our doors backup and help those around us who did not fare so well. Okay you mentioned the jeep. I wasn't going to say anything but it was one of the images. We watched on cable news. This morning ended this afternoon. What have you been able to find out about how it is perfectly. Okay good vehicle ended up on a stretch of your beach that someone got a whim to drive on the beach. Check it out before the storm and they ended up driving an area that had been washed out and got stuck and that is exactly why we don't allow vehicles go on the beach. Well put everyone safe except for <hes>. If you're a put it this way if you're looking at the used car market and you find a really good deal bill on a slightly used damp seeming red jeep ask questions about the vin number mayor thank you we are so glad that myrtle beach appears to to have weather this and we will repeat year year plead to our viewers that in short order myrtle beach will be open for business mayor brenda bethune on the back end here of this hurricane dorian for them and as dorian lashes the carolina coast to the political intersection a section of this story we go president trump is now on day. Five of insisting hurricane dorian was on a path to hit alabama late this afternoon rear admiral peter brown who is trump's counter terrorism and homeland security advisor think about that for a moment who said he briefed the president multiple times on sunday about dorgan's arrival issued a statement appearing to take the blame for trump's warnings certainly giving bring the president much needed air cover and we quote i showed the president the official national hurricane center forecast which included the cone that projects the potential potential path that the eye of the storm president's comments were based on that morning's hurricane dorian briefing which included the possibility of tropical storm force winds in southeastern eastern alabama in fact from the evening of tuesday august twenty seventh until the morning of monday september second the forecast from the national hurricane center showed the possibility the of tropical storm winds hitting parts of alabama trump defended himself five times on twitter just today insisting he was right all along about alabama obama which thankfully has been spared tonight thanks to the president's quick action here for our leadoff discussion on thursday evening three top reporters covering during this white house ashley parker of the washington post jonathan lemere of the associated press and nancy cook politico good evening and welcome to you both ashley what is left to say about this except what your newspaper has added to the reporting tonight <hes> this is in the washington post and they say flatly this is by the way the the work of blue all the renita josh doc- two of your colleagues it was trump who used a black black sharpie to mark up an official noah map which he displayed during an oval office briefing on wednesday according to a white house official who spoke on the condition of anonymity discuss internal deliberations. No one else writes like that on a map with a black sharpie the official said of the map which which added alabama into the hurricanes potential pathway inside the loop of the marker ashley. We said this last night this his minor in the scope of the u._s. presidency. This isn't family separation. It is far short of a declaration of war but this is a number another one of those firsts and as they say as they said in the sixties holds true today. The whole world is watching that that's true when we i saw that dr map there was a lot of suspicion that it was the president who had doctored it. The sharpie in that sort of big scrawl is his trademark. That's what we reported this evening and sort of give you a sense of the mood inside the west wing and how officials are handling this on the one hand when that map was shown they had taken it and they had put it sort of behind where the president was. This wasn't something they wanted him to broadcast to the world and he was top of mind he asked for it to be brought back up and showed it but again. I was over at the white house today and look white house. Aides will tell you privately. They wish the president would stop tweeting about alabama. It's not particularly helpful but this is also at this point somewhat routine. There was not panic or mayhem were scrambling. It was basically business as usual against the backdrop of the president making what initially actually seem to be as a sort of well intentioned but honest mistake and then doubling tripling quadrupling tippling down on it jonathan lemere here what do white house aides make of the president's choice to keep this issue alive and bubbling on and perhaps what it means. Were not talking about and cover. That's right to follow up on ashley's point. I mean this story. It was born of an innocent mistake. The president tweeted over the weekend had corrected by the national weather service which tremaine is pretty extraordinary thing but it could've died. Just an area was labor day. Weekend didn't have that much media attention story women over. We're not thinking i you just mentioned this. I have to interject we had never we're seeing the national weather service. Feel the need to correct a sitting president. In the history of our republic. Another norm shattered administration but instead. We're now on day. I five and yes. He isn't just double or triple toppled. I think it's nine times out non. Uh take whatever it might be. He is still keeping this alive and then there is some frustration asian as people around him. There's plenty people just rolling their eyes too but we don't want to lose sight of something here. Yes one hand. This is sort of a silly story and and it's a it's a president who can never admit a mistake who has said in written in his books and has preached this in practice what he preaches at tenders never saying he was sorry never saying i was wrong wrong but this is the president's words matter any president's words matter whether whether it's in a tweet declaration the oval office they move markets they they can rattle global capitals and in this case potentially frightened people who live in a state that actually wasn't in any danger from this hurricane and we have seen time and time again that after after he says something he then relies on government resources he calls upon the power of the white house to try to then almost reverse engineer what he said into into reality galaxy to try to cover for him we saw with when he claimed that there are millions of illegal voters in two thousand sixteen he rigged election. Commission did look into it. It didn't find evidence of that. You know when he declared that he had the largest attendance any inauguration. He made sean spicer. Go out there and live from the white house to say that he made sean spicer do that again when he tried to explain that mysterious late night tweet f._a. When spicer said oh the president and people around new what he's talking about we see today from his counterterrorism czar to have to put pen to paper apor and release a memo sort of taking the blame and giving the president cover for what was simply a mistake nancy cook somewhere. There's an elderly couple tonight scared scared out of their wits without power on a windy rainy night on the coast of north carolina. Perhaps in a single wide that is rocking back and forth <hes> no words from the president about the victims of this storm the grievous rising death toll to our in our neighbors fifty miles to our east just in the bahamas also somewhere tonight. There's a trump campaign official trying to chart a course realizing that it's the daily grievance since that we are covering. It's the daily grievance that sooner or later becomes what passes for the direction of presidency well. I think that that came. I'm up several times in conversations. I was having today with people about this story. Just that the president as you said did not acknowledge the people who had died in the bahamas did not acknowledged acknowledged the devastation there some of the senior administration officials that i spoke to today did talk about that but that wasn't top of mind to the president he was really tweeting in retweeting and doubling down on this whole alabama controversy and i talked to the president of the union of the national weather service organization who represents hurricane mccain forecasters and this person was making the point to me. You know it's very dangerous. When the president is sending out mixed messages on the path of a hurricane it's just very confusing and the president needs to support the national weather service and they're fact based evidence that showed very clearly throughout the day that the hurricane was moving towards the carolinas china south carolina north carolina and was nowhere near alabama and by continuing to draw attention to alabama. The president was in a way both undermining the national weather service arrests but also just confusing people who may not be glued to twitter the t._v. All day and maybe a supporter of the president and may now be confused about what is actually happening and whether that whether they need to evacuate just to underscore that as a weather matter as we look at this storm. If you are in the path of this tonight the tornadoes it is kind kind of spinning off are traveling across land at between forty and fifty miles an hour roughly the speed car drives. If you're in the path of one of those you've got to hope that the national weather service is there and on your side and warning you as foreign advance as humanly possible to save human lives tonight into tomorrow. We're going to pause our conversation. At this point ashley parker jonathan lemere nancy cook are going to stay with us over this break coming up paradise ice lost as we've been saying in the bahamas in a state of shock and recovery where it feels as if the death toll is going to jump in a significant way a we'll have a report from one of our correspondents on the ground there next and then later we mentioned this as well mike pence a man of loyalty bordering on seeming adoration ration- for his boss but will trump keep him on the ticket going forward new reporting asking new uncomfortable questions about that just to add as is the eleventh hour on a special edition of our broadcast just getting started on this thursday night high. It's it's katy. Tur want to keep up with m._s._n._b._c. While you're on the go subscribe to the m._s._n._b._c. daily newsletter. You'll get the best what you've missed during this unprecedented era of news text m._s._n._b._c. to six eight six six to subscribe. What did you list through a nightmare so i could tell people i've lived in now because all my life i've been through hurricane floyd which was also but i tell people. This was like a ten. I mean everything has gone <hes>. There's there's nothing left. <hes> what are standing. There's it's not much left to it. I mean the structures are some standing. Some are completely gone in the mainland marsh harbour. I understand there's hundreds and hundreds the people that are dead. I still don't have family members that i have accounted for yet. Simply put as we said here last night. The bahamas will never be the same stories coming out of the avocado islands in the northern bahamas as you saw right there heartbreaking chilling as we mentioned the death toll in the bahamas officially early at thirty that is widely expected to rise several reporters said today they are personally aware of much higher numbers. They're just yet unconfirmed by the bahamian government. Dorian was parked over the bahamas for the better part of two days. Avocado islands have suffered catastrophic damage image. There are people there who are desperate people who are dying waiting for help for the very latest on conditions in the bahamas. We go live to nassau. Oh that's where we find n._b._c. News correspondent morgan chess ski who has been on great abbot island today morgan. I gotta tell you i've been there. We were there as recently as this spring. We have friends there. The avocado islands are one of the most beautiful spots on earth. The bahamian people are extraordinary. Mary and none of us can believe what we're seeing and we're just girding in advance of the news of this rising death toll brian. I'd imagine if you were to go back there today. It would be tough to pick out the places that were very recognizable before we had a chance to land at marsh wash harbor airport just hours after it reopened <hes> because it had been covered by water for the past several days and upon touching down at that airport one of the first things we we saw were dozens upon dozens of people aligning all of those airport buildings most of them uninjured but everyone simply having nowhere else to go and trying trying to get any way they could off the island. I had a chance to speak to several people there who say that they had been waiting there for hours others days because all they have is what they were wearing on their bodies at that time time and time again when we ask people what the storm had done to their community they said it took away everything <hes> we then made our way into the town of marsh harbour and we were greeted by the sight of a clinic which had become a shelter and there were hundreds of people gathered around that area. We knew that <hes> so many people were able to ride the storm out inside but at this point in time <hes> it's essentially become a place for people to a wait and hope they can receive help of any kind when i ask people if <hes> supplies had been arriving from the government they said maybe so but certainly not where they were at this point in time and one of the the most frustrating conversations i had our heartfelt rather was with a family of four in a mother was holding her two year old son <hes> describing what they conditions nations have been like there in marsh harbour over the past several days. Take a listen now. There's no much shovel nothing thing thank our host on everything no close to wendell food to eat no under the bed and it is tough to hear that from one person after another <hes> the official report about fifty percent of the buildings on the greater avocado avacado island and on neighbouring grand bahama have been either damaged or destroyed and i would say that's a low number witnessing the sheer devastation we saw today <hes> en marche harbor a lot of the areas still inaccessible people doing what they can move on but realizing the sheer tasks that they are now faced with that will not take years to fully recover from from power still out on the majority of the island <hes>. We know that clean water hard to come by if it's not coming in bottled water that's being dropped off by relief groups of people people don't really know where to get it and so at this point in time tonight there are people there sleeping under trees under whatever shelter they can <hes> because dorian has simply taken away everything everything from them on that island ryan thank you for your reporting and you are so right all of us who love the place have been scanning the aerial pictures looking for landmarks that appear familiar to us and in many cases they are just gone morgan chessy reporting from the bahamas tonight. A lot of people have asked how how to help where to give. We'll put up the number for the red. Cross also team rubicon the u._s. military veterans. They landed a team. They're starting yesterday. They'll be going going back to help morgan chessy from the bahamas coming up dory and just one of the pressing issues on the president's radar how he's handling the rest of his agenda when the eleventh hour continues me more than fulfilled my promises even. They said he promised things that he actually produced more than he promised. That's true true but we're gonna produce more and more well about that tonight. There are signs trump's road to reelection may be rougher than he is anticipating new york times times reporting quote president trump heads into the closing months of the year without a clear policy agenda and an uphill path to achieving any major new accomplishments months before he faces voters over a summer dominated by his personal attacks on democratic lawmakers. The news media is trade showdown with china. Mr trump spent little time clarifying his positions on several important agenda items that could bolster his record political looked at trump's campaign operation noted what it described as quote a tangled web of unresolved issues he promises to sort out during a second term yahu news reports on the relationship between trump and his vice president quote behind the scenes tensions have been mounting among trump pants and their top advisors ever since the g._o._p.'s resounding thing losses in the two thousand eighteen eighteen midterms remember those in the weeks afterward. Trump asked aides about replacing pants on the ticket. He asked again again for their thoughts on pants. During his august vacation at his golf course in bedminster new jersey in particular rumors that kushner and a vodka trump wanted to consider replacements for pants specifically trying to find a woman running mate to help win back the suburbs in twenty twenty have worried the vice president's camp last month as trump was leaving the aforementioned resort in bedminster trump brandon of course to return to washington. He offered these words of praise for his vice president. Mike pence has been an outstanding v._p. I think that he's been <hes> incredible in terms of the love that a lot of people especially <hes> if you look at the evangelical 's and so many others they really have the great respect for a vice president and so do i and so i think most people back with us to talk about all of it ashley parker jonathan lanier and nancy not cook ashley. How much faith should anyone put in that endorsement right there. Even this loyal some would say plant can't vice president. Is that loyalty there until it's not that's exactly right. It's anyone who works for this. President knows things can change in in a second or with the tweet that said <hes> my understanding is that while there are these flare ups between the president and the vice president's camps. It's frankly more so than between the two men <hes> the president will sometimes wonder when pence's going out and he's doing a good job wooing donors as for the reelect effort is he doing too good of a job is he sort of getting donors <hes> information and facetime with them for his own benefit those flare ups and tension in simmer be under the surface and do exist but on the whole and again anything can change the president the vice president have a very warm relationship. The men talk multiple times a day that the president is will sometimes sort of dismissed the vice president but it's always said to be in a jokey kind of friendly manner not actually condescending and so far mike pence his managed that fine line incredibly well which is to be a classic vice president incontinent incontinent number two and under study to not steal the spotlight for himself to do a good job but not too good of a job that he becomes threatening to the number one jonathan lemere. The name we haven't mentioned is nikki haley. Who is i guess would qualify as media darling status. That would be a big story. If there was a switch up in the ticket she put out a statement about the eventuality the possibility of that. I think people have put the theory to rest going forward with mike pence donald trump. What's the bumper sticker for twenty twenty oni as it is right now but i i'm basseterre haley. You're right. I mean that was sort of an oddly time statement a few weeks ago. There had been rumors months ago when haley left position as u._n. Ambassador her she could be someone who the president might i if he were to look to replacing vice president pence and instead those stories were on lead to knock down and and then there weren't any stories this time around when nikki haley sort of raised this idea to then dismiss it again so i think that that caught a lot of people's attention but my reporting lines up with what would ashley ashley has said is that certainly the president is known to us out loud about things all the time including some pretty outlandish suggestions that doesn't mean he's prickly serious so yes. He has wonder he's pulled his advisors about pets in the past. There doesn't really seem to be any serious movement at least right now to replace him but that could indeed in could indeed change in a tweet pence. It has been a loyal foot soldier. He is the president's bridge to the evangelical community. He is popular among some rank republicans who might serve hold their nose. Some of the president's personal behavior of his divisive rhetoric u. Penn's in many ways is more traditional republican and that's what i think that people around the president still feels like he adds. It's the ticket going forward but it's also a campaign. That's running on really no new ideas here. There's no real legislative agenda coming up this fall short of trying to get the nafta through the u._s. m._c._a. There'll be some sort of guns package probably not a robust one and of course the president is looking to come forward with some sort of agreement with china into resolve. This trade war in meetings are scheduled for october because that's the real concern. Is that can't get resolved. The economy keeps going down. He knows his big trouble. No matter who is vice president is nancy she cook. Let's take that less point and talk. About what do they do. If god forbid the economy goes south. What are they run on well. I think that that's a huge concern. Turn inside the white house and it's a question that i've been asking a lot of officials this last week. I think that the white house is desperately. Searching for some sort of silver bullet some sort of policy lever that they can pull out if the economy does go south <hes> either through the trade war or just as an effect of the global economic slowdown just an aftermath aftermath of that and i don't think that there's agreement among top economic officials in the white house on what that would actually look like and i think that it's a little terrifying for some all of them because they wanna be able to pull out something and show that they have a plan if the economy sours and so much of trump's reelection campaign is pitch and hinged on the <hes> economy you know it's something that trump and his advisors feel like he can talk about and it's something that even the campaign officials are sort of saying well if you don't like his tweets you don't like his rhetoric. You don't like the fact that he focused on alabama all week. At least you can like the economy and if the economy sours hours that talking point for them really goes away with our thanks tonight for participating in our discussion with all the money stories. We've been covering ashley parker jonathan lemaire nancy cook. Thank you all three of you for coming down the broadcast tonight coming up for us a long night. Just beginning for our friends ends in the carolinas. We're going to talk to one of the towns in the thick of it tonight when we come back. Hurricane dorian is ready to unleash its fury on our state. Get to safety safety and stay there. Don't let your guard down. This won't be a brush by whether it comes ashore or not what the eye of the storm will be close enough to cause extensive damage in north carolina as we said we're going a couple hours here tonight eight and as part of that we're still tracking hurricane dorian as the storm makes its way up the north carolina coast along with heavy rain wind storm surge urge carolinas also had to deal with a number of tornadoes as we mentioned from this system today trouble with those is how fast they were moving across the countryside. We are thankful to be joined by phone tonight by mayor joe benson of carolina beach north carolina mayor knowing i was is going to be talking to you. I've been watching your community as it relates to the location of the eye. The storm has now gone from alongside of you to slightly to your northeast. It looks like meaning your your wind. Direction has changed your now getting it from the north and the west but you're in the thick of those rain bands. Are you not that's exactly right brian and thanks for having needs to get the word out to those who don't live on the island but have homes and property here guy has moved as you you said <hes> north east of us and i'm in my house. It's boarded up and i can hear sheets of rain but they're now coming from the doors as opposed to pounding the house from the east so that's a good indication as you said i. It's moving along and i'm good with that. When was the the last beach replenishment year community has of you had sand added in recent years. I get great question. Yes the last feature nourishment that was done for both my town carolina beach and curie beach. I was completed in march of this year so are doing things are <music> very healthy. The frontal 'cause the primary very healthy. <hes> high tide is in about an hour and a half the next high tide i so we real hopeful that those strong dunes will prevent any title over wash and that's really the purposes <hes> replenishment is to could protect the town's infrastructure public private property and sustain economic activity without those dunes <hes>. This isn't the beach town that that we all love so much down here. The the mathematics is really interesting. You mentioned the high tide and we've all been talking about that coming up after one a._m. Eastern time just think of it. If this storm i'm had been delayed by two hours and if it was pumping from east to west into your community as opposed to coming out the other way all all that water would have nowhere to go except to well up in your town yeah i it it you shudder at the thought of what the difference in what's fifty miles makes a slightly different track and you may remember. It's almost a year ago that we suffered through five days. Inundating rains this with florence twenty eight inches. The governor knows it real well you know his his outstanding leadership then and now getting out ahead of this i would. We knew we'd have wins. We really hope that this thing would move along the video launched. The meteorologists said it would and it has quicker. We you know another hundred inches of rain this year another two foot storm he can't you can't sustain many of those carolina airline beach for those who don't know one of the prettiest spots on the east coast as is so much of the real estate. We're talking about this storm covering mayor joe benson then. We realize it's a sporty night for you. Guys down there. Thanks so very much for joining us by telephone and here's to hoping that with the break of day things things are better than you had expected to come through in the end again mayor joe benson carolina beach north carolina coming up. This hurricane is not the first destructive destructive hurricane of the donald trump era or presidency he deals with these storms however unlike any president before him unlikely after him we will talk about that with an author who knows this president right after this there is and we said this earlier even as this deadly hurricane makes its way up the east coast putting millions of lives in danger in his this country. The president is on day five of defending his erroneous claims about dorian path toward alabama. He posted about it on social. You'll media half a dozen times in the last twenty four hours back with us again because the president loves when this guy talks about him. Tim o'brien executive editor of bloomberg berg opinion who happens to be the author of trump nation the art of being the donald and tim. I watched you with nicole wallace this afternoon at at four eastern time. What is it about this mindset that does not know the custodial role of being president. It does not know the kind of exportation role of being president. Let's go put our coastguard to work in the bahamas to save the lives down there as they did after katrina but knows the fixation of a sharpie drawn on a map and insisting he was right all the while because i don't i think he really cares about the presidency brian. I don't think he's thinking about this as the presidency. I don't think he's aware or respectful of the majesty of the office. What what he is always thinking about himself. Whether he's in the oval office on a golf course in his jet he doesn't really care about the responsibilities that come come along with this and i think he was surprised as anyone when he won the election and i think on election night you saw him in two thousand sixteen. He looked burned by all of this. I think what he chose to do with that. Victory was to turn it into this sort of piece of performance art and what goes along with that and what goes along with his constant. Narcissism narcissism and performance art is a lack of connection to the gravitas of everything around him and everything the presidency touches from natural disasters to trade trade to immigration to gun control and on and on and on and you can look through each of these events and his presidency thus far and he's never bothered to get into the nuts and bolts of the the policies. He's never bothered to consider the powers. His office has to address those problems and instead he just turns it into a referendum on whether he smart whether whether he's wealthy whether he he's well liked by voters and so forth and it never fails to repeat he goes el paso after the shootings he goes in there the hospital and he turns visit into a campaign. Stop thumbs up with the people in the hospital. When i went to puerto rico after the hurricane there he he basically did a drive by and so there through towels at people who were suffering and now you have today when we have grand bahama island devastated the stated and he's focused on this bonkers incident with a sharpie and a map of the hurricane because he wants to prove that he's right you don't buy into the more more grandiose theories that this is so. We don't talk about the military base building. That's not happening so he can divert money to the wall. Which i heard on previous previous broadcast i could be wrong but i have said i think from the beginning of his presidency that's always a mistake to assume that their strategy at work when when trump is acting out or acting at all i think most of what he does can understand through to prisons either self aggrandizement or self-preservation. It's very very rarely about anything else and certainly it's never about strategy. We have asked to dominate your personal time tonight. 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Morning Joe 9/6/19

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Morning Joe 9/6/19

"Where were you was by my cousin's house and out that was the only roof in the neighborhood that stayed on everyone came to the other eighty people there and then my grandma had to go get her house because her roof came up. It was the pressure. The tornado was all. Everything's just everything's just destroyed. Everything's flattened if is not flattened. It's just a a structured note. People don't have a home. People don't have food people. I've never experienced anything like that. My life i pray nobody ebb has do again a look. At the aftermath of hurricane doran in the bahamas. The death toll there is now at thirty and officials stress. The number is likely to rise dramatically morning. Joe's medical contributor dr dave campbell is on the front lines. There and we'll have a report straight ahead. Meanwhile the storm is now lashing the carolinas with triple digit winds and heavy rains residents on the north carolina coast or being told to shelter in place the number one concern at the moment is flash flooding more than six million people are under flood watches and it's still pouring bring in many areas more than two hundred ninety thousand homes are currently without power in north and south carolina earlier in the day hurricane doreen and spawned a series of tornadoes. This video is from a mobile home park in emerald isle north carolina. Let's go straight to build cairn's for the very latest bill good morning to you. We've seen the difference between a category. Five can do an a category one. It's not even a comparison. It's exponentially worse. It's like fourteen hundred times worse worse than a category one that said we still can get tornadoes that produced damage like you just showed ninety mile per hour or the estimated top wins. We haven't seen anything even close to that on land. That's good and now we're watching the i. Moving right along the outer banks here's the current wind gusts. It's still not exactly what you'd call safe out there. We still have wins in the fifties occasionally sixties from wilmington all the way to kingston washington even out in the outer banks were in the fifties and sixties so we can still get some trees coming down and some scattered power outages as the storm exits today and here's what the center center of the eye is is black line not far from atlantic here in areas of carter county. We make it official landfall somewhere over the top of okocha cap hatteras. We still have a chance. There's the storm exits for some backside sound flooding. Maybe some minor surge problems and i'm not too concerned with that. We could also get some isolated. Tornadoes went to watch sandra in virginia beach norfolk area and here's our flash flood map. This is the greatest concern for lives right now. Where avid meant numerous areas everywhere and maroon is under a flash flood warning and from here we are going to take this storm out in the open atlantic and eventually it will head towards nova scotia likely as a category one hurricane and just enough of this storm is going to clip southern portions of new england cape cod is under a tropical storm warning he will get some rain and gusty winds but i don't have a lot of damage from that nika it would just be kind of a minor inconvenience inconvenience so the storm for the u._s. dory and has been what we'd say probably underachieving and now we can try to focus all our tensions on the recovery efforts down there the bombers. It's been a long haul bill cairns. Thank you very much along with joe willie and me. We have politics editor for the daily beast sam stein republican strategist and m._s._n._b._c. political analysts susan dell prosciutto columnist and associate editor for the washington post david ignatius basis and bought surprising columnist and associate editor for the washington post and m._s._n._b._c. political analyst eugene robinson's so really i i this storm has it seems like it's been around forever but <hes> but we're finally making contact with land in the united states of of course we're going to be talking about the misery that the residents of the hamas have been enduring just absolutely awful but south carolina annette north carolina and virginia look like the only states directly impacted by this terrible storm yeah. I never liked to use the term dodged a bullet because it's you're probably doesn't doesn't feel that way that people in the outer banks north carolina this morning where that big wind is hitting. Thank god that we didn't have a more drastic and dramatic and deadly storm. The united states so far but you're right. I'm glad dr davis down in the bahamas because that's where a lot of the attention is gonna is gonna fit because man. It has been devastated down there. We're going to continue to talk about about the storm while it continues to batter the east coast president trump though not backing down from his plane that alabama face a serious threat from hurricane dory and he's tweeted nine times about alabama including several maps. Even the white house released a statement defending the president's claim yesterday afternoon the president tweeted maps from august twenty ninth and august thirtieth writing. Just as i said alabama was originally projected to be hit. The fake news denies it he writes he went on to say i was with you. All the way alabama fake news media was not here is what shep smith of fox news had to say about that yesterday. Why would the president of the united states do this. He decries fake news that isn't and disseminates fake news it is this is where one where he could apologize and just move on that map was from the day hurricane became a hurricane eight days ago august twenty eighth. It was four days old at the precise time he said alabama emma would likely be hit harder than anticipated by then it was fake news defined on a very serious subject yet he forged on this morning another statement statement. What i said was accurate. It wasn't and it isn't and according to the c._n._n.'s jake tapper. President trump called the fox news correspondent into the oval office yesterday to argue that he was not wrong about alabama according to jake tapper fox news senior white house correspondent john roberts was was beckoned to the oval office yesterday afternoon in an internal fox news email obtained by c._n._n. Roberts wrote that trump quote stress to me that forecast for dorien orien- last week had alabama in the warning cone. He insisted that is unfair to say. Alabama was never threatened by the storm. According to tapper roberts analysis of the meeting was that the president president was just looking for acknowledgement that he was not wrong for saying that at some point alabama was at risk. Even if the situation had changed by the time he issued the tweet sunday morning that was roberts did not immediately respond to c._n._n.'s request for a comment joe. I have to say i've been away for a little bit on vacation. Blissfully unplugged hugged and to come back yesterday to see the president of the united states is still talking about a map in doodle. He drew about a hurricane that was was coming not to alabama that forecast was changed that he still insisting upon being right about something he was so clearly wrong about is stunning and a little bit baffling it is it's also of course disturbing. There's so many things that happen and i think a lot of willie. Thank you and i've gotten to the point. Wait where we roller is on most of these twins but here you're actually talking about a hurricane. The president tweeted out that roosevelt obama needed to be worried at a point when they didn't so of course that causes a lot of concern so much so that the government has to set out a clarifying statement more disturbing was that last night was a night when people in south carolina and north carolina and now virginia re. They're getting hit by the hurricane or having to prepare for the hurricane those states south carolina north carolina and and virginia and i've i've been inside my house with the windows and doors boarded up and hunkering down and and it's really frightening. You don't know what tornadoes we're going to spin off. You don't know where they're gonna go. You don't know how your community is going to be ripped apart and on wall that at that precise moment the president of the united states was talking about south carolina or north carolina or virginia virginia incredible. He was talking about alabama state. That was never in any danger and certainly was at least shop. Smith and fox news said four days removed from any danger by the time he tweeted the sweet and david ignatius again so much of this this i just farce and i've got to the point i just i don't pull my hair out at ignorance the nonsense but an a case it's like this. He panicked people in alabama. Now he's lying about it and he's doing that. Instead of doing what every president that i ever dealt with during these storms arms whether it was bill clinton or george w bush or governors like lawton child's or jeb bush i mean when those storms are about to hit shore all of their attention and focus on protecting the people that were in the path of the storm. Donald trump bizarrely enough enough was focused on a sharpie doodle that he had done several days before and there are of course the whole world is watching there are consequences in russia and china saudi arabia across the world that are leader seems this detached and this unstable emotionally joe the thing about the sharpie gate as we've been calling it is that it offers. There's a remarkable psychological insight into the president and what makes them tick. Anybody makes a mistake. They got it wrong. The first time around by alabama it's understandable apparently and that he'd seen some earlier recording and apparently confused. There's in his mind that that happens to people even presidents but then you move on this obsessive attempt to keep heap re-litigating to the point of some reporter john roberts the white house to to to make his case taking this and and making it the only story that today we're focusing on illustrates the self-destructive way this president operates. It's it's mystified in me. This was one where you just you know you make a mistake. You move one of our colleague. Jon meacham made that point and comments. He's made over the last twenty four hours. Donald trump is different. He's gotta be right about everything if he feels like he's been humiliated by being quite an ally. It's the fault of the fake news media et cetera et cetera in this case. You just got to watch it and shake your head incredible. It is self destructive active. You see him joe talking about for example. When you get into his head you know that he sees the value of even negative coverage of talking about penn and staying at a trump property not durell bedbugs but the other one in ireland and you know that every time that story is covered trump is happy because at least it's the press coverage for a brand of his but with this you jest. I have no idea what his end game could be when he continues to prove that it was completely wrong. It's not an in game in sam stein. I always said that because donald trump's trump's surprise the mainstream media in two thousand sixteen with its dogs campaign is terrible campaign in many ways. There's always this assumption that he's got this magic buddhu that we just don't understand stand the strange ways of donald trump and that he's he is playing three dimensional chess. No he's not playing three dimensional chess. These are the mom on wednesday. You realize he stares at the board he picks up upon and puts it in his mouth. That's what we we are. All of. This is not a crew to his benefit as he digests all of the chess pieces you realize when it hits his stomach stomach bad. It's bad news for him. He this is more bad news for donald trump in a terrible summer. I'm trying to to go along with this imagery but really ends it but i do agree with you. I was talking with a susan before we started the show about whether there was something he was trying to distract detract from a maybe it's transferring money to his border wall from military bases. <hes> something that is more politically problematic in my i position is if he's trying to distract if he's trying to deflect. This is the worst job at deflections distraction you could possibly do because he looks wchs pathological. He looks like someone who <hes> if your uncle we're doing this. You would say oh my god. He has a real problem nine tweets five five different maps in inability to just let something so minor go and to do so at a time when one the hurricane is hitting the u._s. Mainland which is obviously something the president should be attentive to but to and i don't want to see it lost a generational storm has just completely obliterated in wiped to the bahamas and caused a mass amount of human suffering including a death contacts likely to shock us for president to not show. Oh a modicum of empathy or attention to that because he's obsessively drawn sharpies on old maps is a bizarre thing to witness in. It's a bad political medical development for him too so i don't think he's distracting because if he was trying to distract you be doing something else other than this joe. I agree with you and sam. I think there's a tendency these over think what president trump is doing or saying. He can't be wrong. We've known this about him for how long he's embarrassed that he was very wrong. Now he's president of the united states so when he he is wrong it has real ramifications as impact as you know for the people of alabama who may have thought they were going to be getting storm their way the national weather service in birmingham cam came out twenty minutes after his first tweet on sunday and said no the storms not coming here he has to dig in deeper and create this chasm between two sides those were with them and those who are against him even tweet where he was patently and clearly and demonstrably wrong he has to dig in. He can't be wrong even though everyone knows he is because it's sitting in plain sight in this case yeah you know mika for in most cases in every case except for donald trump the case of the the strange case of donald j trump if the national weather service comes out twenty minutes later and corrects what you said then you don't fight it for another week ago. Oh you know what i was looking at maps and roadmaps sorry about that just can't do it and that's something that he told us from the very the beginning that he just can't say he's sorry. He's he's too insecure. Do it well now to more details on where the money is coming from for president trump's border wall. We're learning that schools and daycare centers for military families are losing millions of dollars in order to fund the wall schools for the children of u._s. Military members from kentucky to germany japan will be affected. According to the pentagon a daycare center joy joint base andrews in maryland will also have its funds diverted. The move comes as the pentagon announced earlier this week that that it will be pulling three point six billion dollars in funding from one hundred twenty seven to fence department projects. I wonder eight how mitch mcconnell handle that information that impacts estate one school serving military families along the kentucky tennessee boarder will lose who's funding to president trump's border wall the new york times reports this morning the pentagon's decision to divert sixty two point six million dollars in funding from building fort campbell's does new school will mean more than five hundred fifty six seventh and eighth graders will continue to use classrooms at the military bases aging middle school conditions at that school. Are we're so cramped. Teachers have been forced to use mobile cards to store their books and lessons plans and says the cafeteria isn't big enough students have had to eat lunch in the school library. According to the time student stuffed into makeshift classrooms within classrooms. We'll continue to strain to figure out which lesson to listen to in which one to filter out as it's a reminder fort campbell is home to the one hundred first airborne division as well as special operations units deployed to afghanistan and to iraq this move to divert funding from its school comes after senate majority leader mitch mcconnell who of course represents kentucky touted his commitment to helping the basis families writing in an op ed at the beginning of the year mcconnell wrote. Our commonwealth is the proud home of military installations critical to our national defense is secured much needed assistance for fort campbell fort knox and in the blue grass army depot helping the men and women serving there to keep america safe <hes> the question. Mika poses a good one. What will mitch mcconnell say well. His office is saying we wouldn't be in this position. If democrats would work with republicans on border security. We wouldn't have to be in a place where the president it's transferring funds from a middle school on a military base. Get his border wall built. I just wonder if he's talking about. Perhaps coming up with the deal for twenty one billion dollars with democrats that would have secured border funding and and then walking away from it the and that's why mitch mcconnell doesn't want even do anything on gun legislation or anything else because he knows he can't trust the president so do i expect the president to be. I'm sorry to expect mitch mcconnell to try and waffle his way out of this absolutely what he can't waffle on his way out of the senator said it may hurt whether it be in colorado arado if reelections up there in maine there the trump campaign has cited that they want to try and flip new mexico while taking away money from military installations mexico is not could way to do that so i think just going back to to joe's point about the chess pieces. I think donald trump will find it very hard to pass the chess pieces eh as the campaign continued if he keeps doing things like that. Sorry chew gone. There and i was like no no now. Let's let's just move beyond that so so you have mitch mcconnell talking about thinking about this kind of talked about jane getting that money money for those bases to quote keep america safe. Donald trump has rated that money now and he's diverting -verting it to a vanity project that john kelly that lindsey graham that john cornyn cornyn that so many republicans said will not help will help keep the border secure but he's actually taking real money away from real military construction issues and readiness issues and you look at thom tillis what was eighty million dollars that he sold for north carolina yeah and wall hurricane smashing in north carolina thom tillis estate. He's talking about alabama. Donald trump doesn't give a damn about north carolina and apparently thom tillis can't do anything to stop and go down that list more thick. Sally didn't have any hook the protect arizona from from being looted you look at the rest of the people on the list lindsey graham all the golfing in the world ruled couldn't stop the president from looting eleven million dollars some good people in south carolina eight million dollars from cory gardner in colorado auto if if they're kissing up the donald trump around the clock and he still goes to their military bases instills instills money for a project there was already fun to get to the show the twenty one billion dollars in bill stephen miller next donald trump's problems shouldn't be with democrats it should be would stephen miller that would have already had the wall built by now if it weren't for stephen miller yeah no absolutely there were there were deals to be made on immigration. That's been clear from the store and donald trump won't make those steals three point. Six billion dollars is a small part of the of the defense department budget but it's a lot out of money and it's a lot of money as we see today that affects the states of republican senators who are up for reelection so tom martha mcsally is going to be happy about this puts her in a bad position and puts all them bad position puts cory gardner in the baptism <hes> <hes> and mitch mcconnell yet. I predict you're gonna hear nothing honest coming from these senators about this because they're they're all scared of donald trump and and and you know what the what these these these first two stories we've done this morning have in common the sharpie sharpy gate and the and the and the money that has been taken for the wall is that everything is always all about donald trump and and if we haven't learned that about him total disregard for the political position or feelings or whatever of anybody else we haven't learned and by now than when are we going to learn it. I mean it. It's been clear from the beginning and it's clear right now. It's just all about him. How how many times does he have to act pathological full article or i think the term of art is crazy before we say gee. He's crazy is eating one chess piece after or another look next just talking about real life consequences for people that don't just numbers on the screen tonight. I represented in congress. I represented n._a._s._a. Pensacola widing hurlbert field hurlburt arab eglin tyndall represented all these bases where men and women would be deployed and of course the deployments have become more rapid. Did they become more numerous. They've been more crushing on families and so when our men and women go off to war war go off to defend this nation. They want to know that the families that they're leaving behind are being taken care of so this is. This is not just political theater by donald trump. They're a real life. Consequences armed services committee. We put we we put this under readiness. Are the troops going to be ready are is military construction such that they're being taken care of that they can go on one on deployment after another and they don't get to a breaking point this actually where you're you're gutting money money from facilities that children and spouses and family members use that goes right to the heart of readiness and and how these troops are doing joe military families. Are i think close to sacrosanct these days in our country is national feeling of obligation in some ways of guilt towards the families whose members of suffered suffered in these very difficult wars fort campbell. I know from my experience. Traveling is a place where a wad of warriors who serve him in the special units task forces who were doing the hardest part of this fighting often. You'll ask where you're from. The answers fort campbell so we i need to do more reporting and see exactly what's being cut here what effects it will have on the families of these soldiers who've been deployed <hes> <hes> and the community but i was with a group of senior military families last night and he must have been forty five minutes about the ethic of service service that is part of their culture this absolute uncompromising service to their country going and doing what their country asks <music> hoping expecting their families will be taken care of so i think something like this robbing money from from one account out intended for these people country as a whole feels a great debt toward and putting it instead in what in so many ways seems a vanity project prompts wall it just isn't going to it isn't gonna sit right as so a new more reporting but it it sticks well it does stick in the craw and it can be called the vanity project because everybody republicans democrats independents independence experts all said well republicans who are in control of congress that the wall actually doesn't make america safer that it was in fact and the project go back and look at the quotes the republicans during that time willie. I just really quickly need to go to you here. Because obviously i saw it when i served in congress and after but you see it every day <hes> this commitment that these warriors make the the sacrifices that their families make that their spouses make that their children make and we would hope that the united on his state's government would take care of those who take care of us every day. It's not happening in these cases certainly not north carolina allina not in south carolina not in arizona not in colorado not in texas not in all these states where donald trump gutted money money from these facilities to take care of their children and the sad and painful truth in this country is that we don't take care of the people who fight the wars for us. We say we will it's part of the contract. We signed with them implicitly that they go take care of the defense and fight the wars for us. We'll take care of them when we get home on so many fronts. We don't do a good job but this this is eminently preventable and to take money from families who were back on the base. Who need this school. This has been something that's been boiling and festering for years years the idea that the school needs to be built this overcrowded school. This is sick and just to give you an idea. I wanna point out. The rest of the senate feels about this republicans in particular the new york times points to an interview lindsey graham gave to c._b._s. All the way back in february this topic was out there. He was asked about this and he said quote. It's better for middle school kids in kentucky to have a secure border. We'll get them the school they need but right. Now we've got a national emergency on our hands so if you're looking for republicans in the senate and congress to stop this move by the president you're probably looking for something. That's not gonna happen. Well and one more shameful moment for lindsey graham meek because is lindsay was one of those republicans when the g._o._p. Controlled washington who and you can go back and look at the quote just like you can look at his quotes about donald trump trump saying that he would destroy the republican party and it would deserve to be destroyed he ever get their nomination and it'd be terrible president but you can go back and look at lindsay lindsay's quote i think from two thousand seventeen where he said building a wall didn't seem to be a good use of money now. He's talking about national emergencies emergencies and actually gutting gutting facilities for our men and women in uniform and their children. It's crazy so we're going to get back to all of this but joe and willie. You guys like a break from trump just to break from sure sure you make some good news. Let some really good. I love it like news. We've been waiting for for a long time. Yes we have what we have. I on morning joe wonderful news casey hunt. She's been waiting longer than us for her baby calm and he had on wednesday night late wednesday night elsa lightning bolts. Oh gosh so this is mars hundred there. Yes us foreign late wednesday night after an all day labor. She was so scared she did a great job. He clearly has big things planned for his life. Mars guys weighed in at nine and a half pow pow nine and a half pounds yeah and twenty one one and a half inches sees a big baby congratulations case you look at those shows so they waited to find out if they're having a boy or girl doc. It's a boy so proud of you. Casey said we love him so much. I can't wait to see what joy he brings to our family. I'm <music>. I'm of so happy. This is we've been winning a longtime case. They've been a friend confidante a colleague now fellow mom so congratulations and we're going support you and mars all the way through all of this welcome to the world. Mars hunt can't help star in life with the name you bet and by the way how great is casey reporting up to the very end anybody who knows her and watched reporting running around capitol hill nine months pregnant with now knows me a nine pound five ounce baby. She is an awesome reporter. Awesome friend and we hope she enjoys this time off with mars. It's going to be an awesome. Mom still ahead on morning joe. We have an exclusive. I look at some of the aftermath from hurricane dorian in the bahamas. We sent our morning show producers down to the storm zone along with dr dave. They'll report back straight ahead. You're watching morning joe. We'll be right back hi. It's katy tur want to keep up with m._s._n._b._c. While you're on the go subscribe to the m._s._n._b._c. z. daily newsletter you'll get the best what you've missed during this unprecedented era of news text m._s._n._b._c. to six eight six six to subscribe when i was in washington and we were covering the russia's story we had this massive time line documental aw and one of the first things on the timeline was russia hacks estonian really interested in this in this estonia story story. The has the feel of a missed warning sign and so i'm kind of wrestling with this idea about whether estonia was was a one off whether it was a cyber attack or whether it was really the precursor to walk launched in twenty six proverbial canary in the coal mine. That was a clip from this week's episode of the weekly a new show on f._x. Who-who done in partnership with the new york times this sunday's episode traces the origins of russia's two thousand sixteen interference in the united states election back nearly a decade you saw there two almost identical events which took place in the tiny nation of estonia joining us now from brussels belgium that featured reporter in this week's episode new york times is a puzo good morning great to have you on. We've talked so much the over the last three years now about russia about what happened the aftermath muller muller testimony. We feel like we know so much and yet you've peel this back all the way to two thousand seven in estonia before donald trump before barack obama. This is during the bush administration. What did you find about that moment. That was significant. It really just starts to feel like miss warning sign what happened in two thousand and seven was there was what seemed like a really domestic. Aston is a dispute in this tiny country of estonia over an old soviet era war memorial and then suddenly it turned into this mass protests and violence. It's in the streets and then the government of estonia gets hacked for weeks on end and we in the united states looked at it. We said well you know it seems like it's the former soviet state fighting with russia and it looks like maybe a cyber attack and the government completely missed what was going on here which was the the origins of a sophisticated cyber influence campaign and it really was the the origin story the blueprint for what we saw in two thousand sixteen so that leads to the the question matt. That's a dozen years ago was the cia were intelligence services here in the united states and around the world aware that russia was doing this that it had that capability and then presumably if so would have been following that up through the two thousand sixteen election. I think there were people who were aware of it but i mean you have to remember. Remember two thousand and seven and we're talking about the aftermath of the c._i._a. Black sites and the warrantless wiretapping we're talking about what are we going to do with guantanamo bay expanding the war against kaieda russia was seen as an important ally in that regards and there was also just a sense of the cold war is over and and again we we really looked at it like it. It was a cyber attack and so if there was a response it was really well. We'd better hardened infrastructure. We better better make efforts to try to protect our systems from i'm getting hacked but we really pay zero attention at all to the fact that the russians were figuring out a way to tear the fiber of divided country and that's exactly what they we did hear matt. David ignatius has a question for you. David matt great reporting. Put it on the recent events context when i ask you what your sense is as of what's been done response when you listen to commanders of u._s. Cyber command they talk about all proactive steps that are being taken now to protect twenty eighteen twenty twenty elections much more aggressive operations inside russian networks. You get that same feeling that something has changed changed that they've learned a lesson from kind of reporting that you presented in your new cookies. I do think so but i i mean david david. You know this better than anybody i mean. Hardening infrastructure is really important and when you talk about cyber command and you talk about homeland security. That's we're talking about. I don't think the united states has a real hold hold on. How are we going to address influence operations in a country that is probably more divided than ever if if democrats don't want to talk to republicans and republicans are merely suspicious or anything that comes from democrats <hes> you go that is just fertile ground for an influence operation and this goes all the way back to the cold war that that part's not new. It's just it's propaganda on steroids and i think that is going to be the hardest part and that's not easily solved. It's it's a sam stein here. I just want to push something by see. If you agree with it but you wanna use the word sophisticated cyber operations one of the things that actually struck me about <hes> twenty sixteen at least was just how unsophisticated some of the operations what we're talking about like pretty basic descent <hes> disinformation campaigns email hacking obviously they i tried to gain access to some voter databases but you know the real disinformation stuff was not all that sophisticated if you think about it and that makes it difficult for governments mints including the national government to actually counter counteract them on. Is that a problem that people in the intel community feeler governments feel that you you can't compel a john podesta to step email verification. You can't compel private company to take down body counts. There are certain things that because they are so unsophisticated okay did that. They can't compelling government response. Yeah i think that's a great point and when you talk about two step that verification those basic things if you think about your cyber defense as a chain obviously it's cliche but you're only strong as your weakest link and i think hugh human networks are always going to be vulnerable to that sort of thing and going back to the estonia case. I mean that was adidas attack. I mean it was essentially just flood the system with a bunch of data and try to take it down so that wasn't sophisticated but what you also saw was a really novel for the moment effort for to use the comment sections. This is before social media the comments sections on news websites as sort of like a fake news petri dish much in the same way we we saw from <hes> from twitter and facebook in two thousand sixteen and that again that's just a whole new a whole new problem. It's so interesting the new york times madda puzo thank you so much. We'll be checking out the new episode of the weekly on f._x. And on hulu joe obviously this is not a new problem but more sophisticated perhaps in two thousand sixteen more sophisticated and again. We're getting warnings out seems every week on the people that are running our intel community and our our military military that the russians are coming at us and we have to protect and defend democracy and for whatever reason republicans don't seem to want to do that david of it. I just wanted to get. Let's let's take a look at russia thirty thousand feet. You look at a copy of foreign affairs. It's the title sawed talk rec- now and they of course look at autocrats that are rising in power a very interesting take on vladimir putin. He sees himself. If is peter the great and sport affair said those in foreign capitals see him some tyrannical genius and yet people in russia of who don't give him high marks right now seem as the second coming of brezhnev which is not meant as a compliment at all and so here we are all these years later after misjudging vladimir putin wondering whether we underestimated him before and whether we're actually overestimating him now if he spoke to most russians they would probably conclude. Would they not that. We may be overestimating his reach putin. We have misjudged him in both directions. He's getting a little long in the tooth as they say as autocratic dictator there some ragged edges to his <hes> his apparatus in moscow he still seems to take risks risks boldly and generally do better with them than i would have expected he. He's got a real problem now. In syria that's hard to solve or also a ragged bloody war. That's being fought in syria killing a lot of syrian rebels in the province of did live in russia and from everything. I know they're not doing very well with it. <hes> they have problems that they're struggling to work out with turkey it on one level. They're much closer to turkey than they were before but they also have some complicated problems. I think the real issue is whether the voters of europe who has seen russian influence campaigns see this week putin trying to flex his muscles are going to push back a ah whether we're going to see stronger center center right center left governments resisting the kind of pressure that overwhelmed the number of european the countries. I think that's really the the most important battleground and then obviously we'll see what happens in our elections next year but putin has i've been at the sa- longtime these cagey k._g._a._n. k._g._b. Both but i do think that he's he's running out of cards to play. Somebody was describing a fighter jet. The russians trying to sell turkey. It's just a quote lousy jet it does it does not clear that it stealthy could hide in in space got an engine that keeps breaking by buddy by it. Just really is making an unwise decision. That's their problem. They're selling a product. That isn't very good and he's. He's been holding a weak hand. <hes> since one thousand nine hundred ninety nine is done and extraordinary job with that we can but the question is is he the future or is he the past and and and really the biggest question as do with he's still relatively certainly if you compare him to american politicians running for president he's a young man <hes> but still phil that question of succession is haunting russia was in a chaotic state before he came in and regardless of what you think of him he he brought order and the question is what after putin that remains the most troubling question. What did you live through a nightmare so i could tell people i've lived in nabokov's all my life. I've been through hurricane floyd which was also but i tell people. This was like a ten. I mean everything has gone <hes>. There's there's nothing left. <hes> what are standing there's is not there's not much left to it. I mean the structures are some standing. Some are completely gone in the mainland marsh harbour. I understand there's hundreds percents <hes>. I still don't have family members that i have account for yet. N._b._c.'s marianna attenzione speaking speaking with a survivor of hurricane dorian in the bahamas the death toll now sits at thirty and officials stress that number is likely to rise dramatically medically the country's health minister said the number of people killed in that category five hurricane could be quote staggering crews are now in the process process of going house to house inspecting structures in many cases just piles of rubble where they once stood as they search for any any survivors and also recover bodies morning joe medical contributor dr dave campbell was embedded in the bahamas with project hope as the group racist racist to provide badly needed supplies to those affected by the storm here. I is dr dave with tom. Cotter project hopes director of emergency response mm preparedness followed by dr dave speaking with some of the victims of the hurricane. Abba co is an island. That got hit the worst from this hurricane. I was actually there today. <hes> doing an assessment at one of the clinics to see exactly what the needs are. One of the challenges of this response is that because communications are down. We do this stuff in person <hes> but in the meantime we can anticipate what their what their needs are so right now. We're standing in front of a barge. That's loaded with <hes> health and hygiene products that we were able to procure <hes> palo ties and then get this barge donated to send right to avocado a lot of these hygiene products will help get them through the next coming weeks <hes> until they're into more permanent even if it's temporary <hes> permanent housing even as you approach the airport and avocado the the runways ways actually surrounded on all sides by floodwater. We had to take a pickup truck just to be able to get from the actual runway to the airport itself. Which of course is not operating waiting normally so there's a lot of flooding in terms of injuries and <hes> things that the clinic has seeing. It's mostly trauma right now. The flooding <hes> <hes> was obviously very bad but the the illnesses that we usually see associated the flooding are having really service yet in terms of a health priority. What we're seeing is the injuries from the wind and debris in the wind. You know everybody at home is asking and everybody across the world is asking what they can do to help the bahamians and and their recovery efforts from hurricane dorian a really want people to visit project hope dot org and do hit that donate button where we've were. Well set up appear. We're already starting our our work where already distributing and meeting the immediate needs and we're. We're not going anywhere. We're gonna be here for some time and tell us about it. I know it's hard. Having adding deputies ruined okay. Where were you was by my cousin's house and that was the the only roof in the neighborhood that stayed on everyone came to the other like eighty people there and then my grandma had to go get her house because her roof of kim all and the pressure the tornado was all. Everything's everything's destroyed. Everything's flattened is not flattened. It's just a structure people. Don't have a homeless people don't have food. I've never experienced means anything like that. In my life i pray nobody has do what can we do today. What can we do today and trying to get people out because his body sin. It is just going to get really bad. I'm going to get really bad and i feel like people are going to get desperate and panicking. He just need to get out getting <music> out the main number one thing both of you have said that nothing to go out and get people out what does get people out to get them to safety is not safe and as time passes and against worse than people start to panic and get is going to get really bad yeah. This is a mess and this is a mess that we shouldn't have to clean up. I shouldn't have to get her here myself. I shouldn't have to ensure that she secure. I'm twenty me five. She's twenty six. This isn't my job. We don't have kids but if i have to do this for as many people as i have to. If we have to rally we will rally devastating anything anyone can do to help and donate project hope america's the red cross. Hey it's chris as from m._s._n._b._c. Every day i come to the office and we make a television show and every day i think to myself there's so much more. I want to talk about and so this is our podcast. It's called. 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This American Doctor /// Part 1 /// 288

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This American Doctor /// Part 1 /// 288

"Welcome to true crime garage, wherever you are whatever you are doing thanks for listening. I'm your host, Nick. And with me as always this gun is four higher, ladies and gents the captain they liked to call me big boss apple sauce. It's good to be seen in good to see you. Thanks for listening. Thanks for telling your father. This week. We are featuring bourbon barrel aged milk and cookies by the crafty brewers wicked. We'd brewing and beautiful Asheville North Carolina. This is an imperial milk sow so very much a dessert style as indicated from the clever name of milk and cookies garage grade four and a quarter bottle caps out of five and this beer was loaded with kindness into the garage fridge by these crafty garage, friends, I up a big cheers to April and riverside, California. The big we like you to Shannon, ensued cog. Oh next up long distance. Cheers to Alex in Adelaide, Australia and a big shout out to Mary and Louisville Kentucky. And here's a cheers to Darren in San Diego and last, but not least we have Taylor and Mansfield, Ohio. So thanks everybody for helping us out with this week show. If you want to help us out with next week show, go to true crammed, garage dot com and click on the donate button. And then. The next couple weeks. Grubby restocking a lot of the stuff in the store that has been missing for a while. Plus, we're finally going to have some stickers. So check out the store page at true crime garage dot com. And that's enough of the business. All right. Everybody gathered around grab it share grab a beer. Let's talk some true crime. The psyche of a murderer has fascinated us for centuries. What could they have possibly been thinking were they even thinking at all when we look into these crime stories much of the time. We find ourselves asking the same question. Why? What drives seemingly normal peaceful average people to do horrible violent criminal things. Within these stories after all the digging. Sometimes we get our answer a crime of passion. Sudden rage hidden compulsions an accident followed by a cover up. And this week's case we take a close look at a small town doctor beloved by his community who suddenly and without warning commits a heinous and brutal murder of someone close to him. What drove this doctor who had a passion for healing and caring for his fellow man to kill and destroy a life. This is the case of doctor, Vince Gilmore? This week. Captain, we pay Omar to a great show called this American life. You are a regular regular rabid fan. Harry. You listen to it on the rag as Kenny powers would say I step in and check it out from time to time with your suggestion. And they covered a case. A while back that has inspired us to take a deeper look into something brought to light by their fantastic show. And we're going to start off by talking about Dr Benjamin gilmer, Dr Benjamin gilmer was looking for a small town medical clinic where he could establish a medical practice. Well, he found it and two thousand nine Dr Benjamin gilmer set up shop at the cane creek family clinic, but Ben was a little weirded out. The clinic was originally founded in run by a man who shared his occupation and name doctor Benjamin gilmer would be. The second doctor Gilmore to run the cane creek family clinic, the I was Dr Vince gilmer and the two were not related. In fact, they never even met before Ben took over the practice, and Dr Benjamin knew very little about Dr Vince gilmer, but he did know a couple of things he knew from the patients and staff the doctor vents was in fact, a very good and caring doctor, but he was also convicted murder, then when patients at the clinic were told that there was a new doctor gilmer they were weird weirded out as well. Dr Ben notice how many of the patients and staff of the clinic raved about how wonderful Vince gilmer was Ben heard stories of the caring, generous, dependable doctor, and he couldn't reconcile that impression with what he knew to be true. The Vince was a violent confessed murder. Right. So he started to do some digging looking into Vince is passed and even accessing the trial materials. Dr Ben sent a letter to vents and prison eight years after the murder and Vince wrote back, but Dr Ben was horrified at the letter he received it was virtually illegible scrawled across the paper as the written by a child, Vince rambled on and on for multiple pages about the effects of SS RI. I withdraw one thing. Dr Ben could make out for sure was that the letter was asking for help the to continue to correspond and Vince made it clear in his letters that he believed he needed Lexa pro or see Lexa, but was not receiving it and prison now, a little side note here to discuss these drugs that that Vince is talking about in the implications. So Lexa pro is a drug designed to treat generalized anxiety disorder and depression and important neuro transmitter chemical in the body serotonin helps to send signals to the brain and is often associated with contentment or happiness. However serotonin is actually linked to many complex functions. Regulates cognition, learning memory and other processes, if your brain is lacking and serotonin it can impact your mood antidepressants work to re dress this by increasing serotonin levels. These drugs called selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors or s s r is for short are intended to build up in the body over time improving depression symptoms, if you stop taking them abruptly this could have severe affects including suicidal thoughts. Agitated and even psychosis. So Lexa pro is an SS RI. Now, that's just my general garage guy understanding of the drugs that we are going to be discussing and how they work of the guy that studied computers. Yeah. Tents his understanding of drugs take that with a grain of salt. I guess eventually Dr Ben in Dr Vince, they begin conversing by phone, and Dr Ben noticed that Vincent speech was often slurred, and he seemed to have extreme trouble articulating what he was trying to say Ryan, let's be clear. This is not just a doctor. This is a doctor that is running a entire clinic. And he goes from doing that to barely being able to write a letter barely be able to talk on the phone and on top of that. Vince tells Ben about the uncontrolled movements that he started to exhibit around the time of his arrest and this continued and it got worse over time. Time Ben decided that an in person visit to vents in prison was an order and he was shocked at what he saw Dr vents. The prisoner looked very ill. He seemed unable to control his body's jerking and sudden movements and he had trouble talking like a normal person was missing some teeth, and he was getting him fights with all the other inmates. Right. He Vince walked with the shuffle. He seemed anxious and paranoid. And he was the one that tells Ben about stories of him aggressively attacking other inmates in no uncertain terms in these phone calls and visits Vince asked Ben repeatedly and often emotionally for help. He was unable to grasp what was wrong with him. And he guessed that it was a deficiency. In serotonin, Vincent been asking prison officials for years to prescribe him an SS RI like. Selecta, but he was ignored. Now. Captain, let's go back and take a look right at the once beloved small town doctor back in two thousand and four Dr Vincent Donald gilmer, a burly balding Forty-one-year-old doctor of family medicine worked in Fletcher North Carolina at a small medical clinic that he founded the rural town is about fifteen miles from Asheville and catered to the locals in the somewhat isolated area. But Vince, wasn't your everyday dispassionate impersonal medical service provider. He was truly a member of the community haven't chosen Fletcher as a place that he wanted to work and live. He was fully invested in his patient's lives, and he truly cared even made house calls. I believe. Yeah. He cared to the point that he not only dedicated his time to meeting with and listening to his patients, but he found a way to diagnose or treat them even. If they couldn't afford it. Some patients received their medications out of free samples the doctor got from the drug companies some patients received a long grace periods for their bills or large discounts on necessary services. Right. And then there's even some stories of situations where if a patient couldn't pay at all Vince would accept bartered goods or services like food or work and trade for the doctor bills, and he even gave free checkups to the local firefighters, which is a fantastic thing. Right. Dr Vince Gilmore was known and loved as generous thoughtful, caring man, who would by people presents for no reason or help anybody out at any time, his nickname was bare because he was known to give great big bear, hugs. Dr Vince was married to a woman named Karen. She was also a doctor and she started the cane creek family health center with Vince, and they. Worked side by side there. The couple didn't have children, but they didn't seem to miss that aspect as they stayed quite busy with their practice and socializing with their friends. This included Vinson, Karen close friend in office manager, Terry Worley, everything seemed to be as normals can be as American is apple pie this up until without the cheese on it. Yeah. This up until around two thousand and three about one year earlier when things began to change and the good doctor began to change. So how had this carrying beloved small town doctor morphed into a violent murder seemingly out of the blue. It seemed to be completely totally out of character for Vince gilmer, what possibly could explain this change. Well, there are some things that one might be able to point to as possible triggers that may have pushed this man to the limit. And then over for one thing about a year before the murder Vince was in what can only be explained or described as serious car accident. He was driving his truck Vince hit a light pole and flipped his truck. The vehicle was totaled invinci- for a significant head injury. Vince is office. Assistant Terry Worley solvents in the hospital on the day of the accident. She said at first Vince didn't even know who he was right. He didn't recognize his wife or he didn't even know that he was married after a short period of time. Vince was back to his senses. And he was allowed to go home about twenty four hours later, but it was evident that he had hit his head very hard in this accident much later in strangely. Terry, express express to journalist Sarah ag- of the serial fame and this American life brim this she wondered whether Vince had possibly crashed his truck on purpose. I know the seems very strange but go with me on this. She was suspicious for a couple of reasons. One she noted that Vince was scheduled to take his medical boards pretty soon after this accident right to reinstate, yes. Like, I'm guessing that some kind of confirmation of continued education or or keeping up on your knowledge of of your very important job. Yeah. That's what I think. It was ok well, she had some suspicion that he couldn't handle that kind of pressure. Very well of knowing that these tests were. Coming up. So he was stressed about. That also Terry said Vince wanted to new truck, but his wife who handled the finances was telling him now. Right. So with this accident he was able to postpone taking his boards and got a new truck, right? Of course, only almost cost his life right now. Of course, there is no evidence that Vince his accident was anything or any way deliberate. This is just a, you know suspicion of someone who knew vans quite well. The simply could just be what it appears to have been an accident. Another thing that happened was Vince divorce his wife Karen right after this accident, according to people who knew the couple. This was totally out of the blue. Yeah. But there are some speculation because I believe she said that they're were having some issues before that yet Terry Worley who we've discussed says Kay. Karen asked Vince to consider counselling before, you know, ending the marriage, but he says, no he doesn't wanna do the counseling and that he actually already had a place to live and he moved out that weekend when they start discussing the possibility of counseling. Sometime around this point, it could be just before just after Vince starts drinking quite a bit. And he is frequenting bars. Three or four nights a week. And this is weird too. Because this bump is head or does. He just having a midlife crisis. Yes. Yes. Very much. And but keep in mind. This is also someone that no one considered him to be a big drinker before this. Right. You know? So we're seeing almost a complete shift in personality. But I mean have you had a friend that has done that as far as like once they hit middle age. They the kinda go off the deep end for awhile. I'm usually they'll by fast, car or motorcycle. Or or you'll see somebody get into a hobby that they've always talked about, right? His hobby going to bars going going to bars and drive in a brand new truck people close to Vince also noticed that he started behaving differently. He was easily. Distracted in seem to lose focus very quickly won-. They talk a lot about once has accident, especially when there's head trauma that they can have a shift in personality. Yeah. And just overall behavior. Yeah. That's why I've recommended to you to run your head until wall couple times. Wow. One personality one friend tells a story in which Vince ran over his dog's tail with his vehicle. This was very likely an accident, and he called the friend crying hysterically in what the friend would later say, you know, Vince was reacting completely dispute disportionately to his to this minor accident for someone who is a doctor who's to. You know, stressful situations it is after the divorce and after the car crash that Vince starts he says he started taking Lexa pro now. The Washington county sheriff told a new show that their department they were unable to locate any prescription for lex appro issued to Vince gilmer. So it seems likely that Vince gilmer was self medicating. But if he's given he could be getting a bunch of free samples. Uh-huh. Oh, maybe he's just taking those in any event, the changes invents people notice them, and they say these were significant one think about Ben gilmer, but the guy taken over Vinci's practice as he's talking to these patients and learning a lot about him. Some these patients are coming in saying, no fence was a sweetheart and he loved his wife, and the fact that that hued even wanted divorce his wife is strange, and then you're being compared to him people were saying you look like him you act like him. Right. You're you're Saint. Like him. And then to hear all these little stories. I didn't have you know, maybe insurance. He and he's slot. You know, gave me some samples to get me by. I mean. That's what you're hearing. And that's what you're seeing every day. And then. But there's this other side to this doctor, you know, almost like. This on hide. Well, and this is weird too. I mean, it's obviously very weird. But I think everybody out there think about your own personal life in your own work history for a minute. Many of us have walked into a job that we saw that we were lucky to get hired for and you are interacting with customers who worked with the person that you replaced you are working with co workers and bosses of people that worked with the person that you replaced, and you this. It's very normal to hear a lot about the person that that worked at that position before. And even here situations of you being compared to that person. And the the weird thing here is not only do they share the same occupation. Not only do they share the same goals of running this practice of this clinic, they share the same last name. And the really weird thing here is you have to very smart individuals, Dr Vince Kilmer and then Dr Benjamin gilmer. And you almost have a situation where Dr Benjamin gilmer is trying to make sense at a what the heck happened to the guy. He replaced hearing these wonderful stories from from the the patients and from the staff. And can you imagine being a patient? And you're like, yeah. I read about man, my doctor was arrested for murder, but and then the next time I go in for a checkup, Dr Gilmore would be into see you shortly. Like what happened? What have it? I I read about that in the paper. They let him out then you have Dr Benjamin gilmer who's trying to make sense out of something that happened to the guy these the he's replaced. I think some of that too is like we kinda have a fear of that. I think when you think of these horror stories are these urban legends when you look at like the Amityville horror. It was this whole thing where the family moves into a house. And then the the crazy guy that lived in the house before. Now, the father's becoming crazy. Just like he was. Yeah. I mean, and you're going, oh, no. You know, like, and so I think maybe part of Benjamin's thought was am I going to become this guy, right which doesn't sound like a sane thought? But no. But who don't we've all seen the shining? Right. And I think Dr Benjamin gilmer he saw a lot. I think he referred to it on this American life as there's there's a ghost in this building. There's a ghost in this clinic, the ghost of Dr Vince gilmer or the ghost of something, you know, he can't really put his finger or the possible fear of what if this guy gets out. And does he come looking for me? Yeah. Does he know about me? I know about him. He's on the inside as he know about me. And then you have a guy that did some pretty insane stuff. And is this guy going to kind of freak out because a doctor gilmer took his place wasn't there. Even a story where where some somebody gave some information or pass something along to the staff there that said, hey, I heard Dr Vince gilmer's getting out of prison. Yeah. Technicality or something? Yeah. Yeah. So could you imagine constantly like double checking the sea? And in you don't know this guy. You've just seen pictures of me never met him person. So that'd be pretty pretty intense. Well, as we said, the changes to Dr Vince Kilmer people notice this they were significant changes in his personality in his behavior, and then the murder happened, and it became even clear that there was something very wrong with Dr Vince Gill. Robin Hood is investment app that let you buy and sell stocks ETF's options and cryptos all commission free. While other brokerages charged up to ten dollars for every trade. 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So on the day in question. This is a Monday June twenty eighth two thousand and four Vince Gill Maher told his office manager Terry to close the clinic early on this day afterward, Vince left to drive to Brockton hospital. Broughton hospital is a psychiatric. Facility located about sixty miles away from morganson Vince was going there to pick up his father, right Vince is father Dalton gilmer age sixty was a resident at Broughton hospital. Now, I don't fully know the ins and outs of y Dalton was a patient at this psychiatric hospital, but court records indicate that Dalton could barely walk. He used a wheelchair or Walker, and he was on antipsychotic medication the into the have some form of dementia. Well, so one of Vince is former patients later told a reporter that Dalton had Alzheimer's, right? So it's possible that that he may have had that or possible that Vince told people that he had Alzheimer's, but we don't know whether that's the actual case or whether Dalton suffered from some different physical affliction or just mental impairment now. But the key thing here is Dalton needed assistance to. To perform everyday functions such as bathing eating and getting dressed, right? Okay. So apparently Vince picked up his father that day as part of a plan. He said to move Dalton to a nursing facility closer to Kane creek, presumably so that Vince could visit his father more often on Tuesday, June twenty-ninth, Vince return to work at cane creek family medical center, he told Terry, you know, one of the staff members there and others on his staff that he had brought his father Dalton home with him on Monday. But that Dalton wondered off during the night, and he end been able to locate him yet, Vince said that he filled out a he filed a police report which which he did, but this was not technically until June thirtieth. The the report that I saw says June thirtieth as the date, but Vince continue to work as normal that day. Seeing his first patient of the day. Terry son for asthma right on schedule at nine AM. He seemed completely normal. According to those who interacted with him that day, he did not seem at all anxious or worried despite the fact that his elderly ailing father was missing at this time. In fact, he completely. He was completely normal all week long. Even taking the staff out to lunch on Friday at a spot that they liked called. I knew cheese. It was while he was at this lunch that Dr Vince gilmer received a phone call this call was from Washington county Virginia sheriff's department detective, Mike Martin and forming Vince the body had been found in Virginia. Terry Worley reported afterwards that upon hearing this news, Vince, nearly fainted. He turned ash and had to lie down on a bench at the restaurant. Someone brought him a cold compress. They're trying to tend to the doctor to everyone present. It seemed that Vince was reeling from the shock of the loss of his father. He was unable to continue to converse with detective Martin and insisted that Terry take over. For the phone. Call Washington county sheriff Fred Newman later told the media that Vince gilmer's hysterical reaction while he considered this to be over the top quote. He was just torn all to pieces more so than was actually normal. He said thirties made arrangements for detailed. We also have him over reacting to running over his dog's tail. That's true. That's very true. Authorities made arrangements for detective Martin to meet with Vince at his home. When the time came for the arranged meeting between Vinson detective Martin detective Martin says the Vince was polite and composed asking no questions and showing. No emotion. Here is detective Martin in his own words about what went down in this meeting. Quote, during the interview with Mr. gilmer's home. He told me that he had brought his father to North Carolina to stay with him. That upon their arrival. The Dalton was so delighted to be there. It went out into the yard played with the dog throwing a frisbee. I already knew that could not be true because the people at Broughton hospital. Told me that Mr. gilmer senior could not have walked on his own anytime. He said, you don't believe me what I'm telling you. I said, no, sir. Not at all not in the least, I do not believe you. I said the very questions that any person would be asking in reference to his parents deaths. You've not asked. Which is an excellent indicator that you already know he wasn't scared. He wasn't agitated. He told me he said, look, he said, you don't know who you are messing with. He said I am a doctor of medicine. I am well respected in the state of North Carolina. And I will have your damned job. I said, sir. It is my job to do the investigation and based on what I know I will consult with the Commonwealth attorney, and I will ask for a warrant for your arrest for murder when we left we said, sir. Thank you for your time. And he closed the door and never said a word. So heated exchange between the doctor and the detective. Yeah. In interesting exchanges. Well, because what I find fascinating here is you have a very much season detective somebody. That's the done the job for quite some time. And his first reaction is saying, you know, he's he's a saying what he's thinking he saying look, doctor, I told you that your your father is dead. You're not asking certain questions that through my experience in conducting this job I'm used to hearing. Right. You know again. That's we always assume how people are supposed to act. No, I know them. But there's there's some indicators here that are interesting to me, right? Because we don't we only have this small window of their interaction this little heated exchange here what we don't have is some of the questions and interaction that may have led up to this. But what I'm thinking that the detective is finding interesting and that he may have found his I suspect is look if if I tell you that your father died, and you don't ask me. We'll how did he die? That's weird. I right now it's going to be just like Elvis. Well, that's that's fine on the crap. No. But that's what the detective is simply saying to the doctor is that because you're not asking me certain. Questions that indicates to me that you already know the answer to a lot of these questions that I would expect you to be asking there. I think there's probably something else happening though. Because if somebody said that my father died, or or or a grandparent died or something like that there. I mean, there's been times that people have told me this stuff. And and I don't know exactly what to react, you know, how to react. So there isn't a reaction of what happened just contemplating. Oh crap. They're gone. You know, but in the mean, we might get to that eventually, you know, in the same exchange, though, we have Dr Gilmore saying, hey, this is what happened when I last saw my father and the detective outright saying look that cannot be true. It cannot be true that you're you're father was out playing with the dog in the yard based on what I've been told by the people that were taking care of him at. The facility that you placed him that can't be true. The man can't dress himself. He can't feed himself. He can't walk without assistance. He's not out in the in the or throwing the frisbee with the dog. Right. He's like there. There comes a time. And my grandpa used to talk about this all the time is when he'd go to the nursing homes or the facilities where they have older patients. And they there was nothing that they could do for the patient, and they didn't have enough staff to like be one on one with the patient. So they basically get the patient dressed, and we'll the patient out until the hallway yet you make him comfortable. That's right. Yeah. I mean, it's off awful. So now you and I will be there in about three or five years. At this pace. Well, in the course of this meeting detectives, they did search, Vince gilmer's home. This was due to a warrant that they brought with them that day. Now, it was not known exactly what was found. But we do know that the police collected a receipt from a local wal mart dated early on the morning of June twenty-ninth, which showed the purchase of five bottles of peroxide. The cops they presume that this meant that Vince had used the peroxide to clean something up and in combination with the perceived lies about Dalton playing frisbee with the dog the cops had enough for an arrest warrant for first degree murder, which they obtained in returned to execute. But after the meeting with detective Martin and a search of his home by law enforcement, Dr Vince gilmer had not acted like an innocent man instead of mourning his father's passing. He packed up some basic camping gear and fled. When he was finally found chase down and arrested. He was living in a tent behind a Lowe's home improvement store in the at the Asheville mall. So wanna get in touch with nature, but not too far too. Right. You want to be closer to stir in some public restaurant. Yeah. Police received a tip from an unknown source that Vince was hiding out in the area. That's how they tracked him down. Now when they approached him or attempted to do so he ran from police through the wooded area behind the lows building hiding behind trees, and this is like a dark forced at area. Right. But look in the Nishel, let's say confrontation between the detective and the doctor. They have to be seeing that something's not right? Not only is he not acting like innocent man or grieving. Son. He's just acting a little strange as well. They have to see that. Now, we have the this doctor again a doctor, right smart guy. Right. Super smart guy and guy that's trying. I mean, cops and firefighters are close. That's normally a close knit organization. Even though they're kind of separate entities. They they know each other really well so that here about him doing all these checkups for free on the firefighters. And now we have the situation where this guy is after his dad is dead. And we're we think he's our number one suspect that it's murder he has a tent behind lows. And then when they go to arrest him, he's running from them. Yeah. There has to be red flags. Well, and he's already threatened the detective I mean. Soon as the detective is upfront and says, look man, I don't believe you to put it as Frank as possible. Look, man. I don't believe you the doctor then immediately like you said pointed out goodbye, you a smart guy. He immediately jumps into threatening the detective of do, you know, who I am do you know, how important I am. I can have I'll have your damn job have you fired right for this accusation? So we have Dr Gilmore and he's running from the cops. Yeah. From his little tent site. Yeah. In a wooded area in the middle of the night. And when police searchers finally sent a canine Vince, charged the dog and the police handler, and it was said by an officer on the scene that Vince gilmer charged at the officer in canine with absolutely no expression on his face. He's lucky. He didn't get shot Vince Gilmore was finally apprehended around one AM, so this desperate and somewhat pitiful flight from jus-. This was just the tip of the iceberg on July sixth. Vince gilmer was charged with the first degree murder of his father Dalton gilmer what came out about the killing and the arrest shocked everyone in the community when Dalton gilmer's body was found. It was determined that he was strangled to death the implement used was a rope and topsy confirmed death by rope strangulation the medical examiner specifically noted that Dalton gilmer had been strangled twice. There were two distinct wrote marks visible on his throat, the body was discarded at the side of Good Hope road near the Virginia. Tennessee boarder in Washington county on the Virginia side, not five miles from a medical clinic where Dr Vince Gilmore had previously practice years before the body had been found where it was still. It was still warm by. Resident who was driving home from the movies just after midnight? The body was lying visibly on the side of the road dressed in shorts and a pulled up t shirt, the no shoes no teeth. Now. I I do wanna make a side note of this. Because there doesn't seem to be from the articles. I could find there doesn't seem to be any indication that teeth were removed from the victim. It's very likely that Mr. Dalton Gilmore may have had dentures at his old eight, you know, and and these were just removed. There was also no wallet present. It was quickly identified by clothing labels. However reading Dalton gilmer right misses. He was in the hospital. Yeah. These these labels were stamped with Dalton's name inside his polo shirt. Collar and shorts around the waistband labels that actually his son vents had arranged to have attached to help. Identify Dalton's clothing at the psychiatric hospital from that of the other patients. Vince must've forgotten about these identifying labels because before dumping the body. He severed all ten of his father's fingers with what some have said to be medical precision cutting off each digit right at the base of the palm. He used what he later described as a little Saul to do this. The instrument has also been referred to as a set of pruning. Shears the fingers have never been found. Now, the medical examiner determined that it was likely that that Vince the killer had initially strangled Dalton, but that Dalton was still alive and came to. And when Vince started to sever the fingers, this is probably when he came to. 'cause there was blood on his body and clothes indicating that his heart was still pumping. When some of the fingers were being cut off and bright. So Vance the second-string relation right van strangled him a second time this to can to complete the task. I guess a rubber surgical glove was found in the road near Dalton's corpse. So what this suggest very obviously with the removing of the fingers with the removal of what I believe to be dentures with finding no wallet is very simply somebody dumping a body dumping a murder victim by and trying to make it difficult for them to be identified. However, we have the situation where we have the name of the victim stamped on the labels in the clothing. Yeah. Maybe that's something. He forgot about. But obviously like you said the removal of teeth. Could does not ahead his teeth on him that day, but the removal of the fingers that I mean to gets me everytime. Yeah. Especially as Qatar player. Well, the another thing that I find strange about this situation to is now. Now, I understand that they drove some distance from where he picked up his father. So that indicates further trying to conceal the identity of the victim. Right. But what kind of shocks me here is the mind you we've we've both agreed multiple times that we're talking about a smart guy. The murderer is a smart guy and the efforts taken to cover up or hide the identity of his father of his victim, it it's almost shocking to me that the body's just left on the side of the road that there wasn't some further. You know, concealment of that to begin with. But we have again, this is way out of character for him anyways to be committing a crime like this. And so this should be out of character. For for damn near everybody. Not the people on our show. Yeah. This is in character. There was some other information that started to come out around this time after a Vinci's arrest one bit of information, Vincent, Ben, his father Dalton's legal guardian something that is obviously pretty common in a case where you apparent becomes incompetent or as living in a facility as part of his guardianship Vince was in charge of handling Dalton's money. This responsibility included paying the cost associated with Dalton psychiatric hospital impatient. Status. But when Dalton was killed it came out that he owed Broughton hospital over two hundred seventy thousand dollars Vince had not been paying his father's bills. We don't know whether he he kept the money for himself or. Even whether he ever withdrew it from Dalton's account at all, right? Perhaps this is how Vince was able to afford. Possibly cutting his patients so many breaks who knows but but either way truck. Yeah. Either way. Well, he would have got something from the insurance, I'm guessing. But either way he owed a lot of money for his father's care at the time of this murder. But you kill him doesn't mean that the Bill goes away. Well, another thing that looked bad for Vince Gomer was a trip to Alaska the planned now, we don't know exactly when he booked this trip, but the timing of the trip coincided with his father's being released from the hospital. Now, this is how this has been reported. It's unclear exactly what dates the trip was planned. For Terry Worley, the office manager at the clinic says she had booked the round trip ticket to Alaska at Vince gilmer's request. But detectives discovered that at some point. As sometime after that, someone had changed the ticket to a one way ticket now it's unclear whether Vince just decided not to go, or whether this is probably more likely he probably had plans of going to Alaska and never coming back. You know, much better plan than hiding out behind the Lowe's home improvement store, you'd think possibly little bit better vacation, the other interesting thing here to captain is later when asked Vince said he could not recall having any plans to go to Alaska. That's not like it's not like taking a trip down the road. This is this is going to Alaska and booking round trip ticket. But did he seem believable when he's saying he didn't know about this? I don't know because there's I didn't see like an interview or you know, interrogation. Or anything of that process? But just the simple statement of them saying, yeah, we asked about Alaska we asked about the one way ticket to Alaska, and he basically just says yet, I don't recall any plans having any plans to go to Alaska. The tricky thing too. That makes this a little could be difficult for investigators is initially the tickets were booked by the officer. And I mean offices. Well, she's she says Vince requested this of her. But I mean, it does make it a little tricky. Now, finally, investigators on the case said that Vince told them that when he picked up his father from the hospital to bring him to a new nursing home because that's what he was supposed to do. And he was supposed to pick them up at Broughton hospital and transfer him to another hospital closer to fences home, as we said presumably to make it more convenient on the sun visiting the father but later after his arrest he saying, hey, look when I went to pick them up. I promised my father that we would stop. I for a quick lake kayaking outing been said his father once lived near little Wilbur lake in Carter county, Tennessee. And Vince thought the kayaking outing would be. Soothing would be nice nice thing to do for his father. Now, a green kayak was apparently seen in the truck in Vinci's truck that day. But remember Dalton couldn't walk and reports are that? There was no Walker found Brian. Detectives were highly skeptical of this story, especially as when Vince picked up Dalton it was already getting toward the evening hours. In fact, they said Vince it picked up Dalton that day with the rope the gloves and saw or pruning shears already in his truck. Police believe that this was not a spur of the moment killing in their minds. This was preplanned premeditated murder. All right. If you need more of the garage checkout, our old episodes starting from episode one back in two thousand fifteen seems like just yesterday we were in your hot garage sweating sweating bullets. 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Hurricane Dorian batters coastal areas of the Carolinas

The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell

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Hurricane Dorian batters coastal areas of the Carolinas

"Now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell good evening ritual and we're going to have bill karen's tonight and also the the death count in the bahamas. Now is increasing tonight and the health minister said it may rise dramatically from where it already is and so we're going to take a look at where that stands tonight that is becoming an increasingly increasingly tragic story for boating warnings from the from the health minister even as announces the increase death ball. It's just very very chilling and very worrying. Thank you for joining the navy. Seals are now are most prominent special forces unit. 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From the bahamas on what hurricane dorian has already done to those islands with the death toll there rising significantly tonight to a new total of thirty victims and we have the latest tracking tonight about what hurricane dorian might do next as it approaches the carolinas we have our live live report in a moment from wilmington north carolina which is bracing for a possible direct hit from hurricane dorian. The mayor of wilmington will join us and we'll also get the latest from the bahamas homicide on a situation that is turning more tragic by the hour we begin with what you need to know right now about what hurricane dorian might do next and for for that we turn to meteorologist bill cairns built. What is the latest right now. We're waiting to see if we're going to get landfall overnight lawrence. That's the big dramatic thing will the highest. I wins the one hundred mph winds. Will they move on shore or stay offshore. That'll be the big determination of how much damage we have in eastern north carolina when we all wake up tomorrow morning so during the day day today the storm brushed by areas of south carolina and i brushed it left. It's mark almost three hundred thousand people without power but it didn't do a lot of significant damage with the storm surge that was one thing we were concerned about the charleston area and even savannah for that matter and that was okay and we have we can did a little bit. We're now. We're down to one hundred mile per hour. Maximum sustained winds gust could still get up there about one hundred in twenty if you're in the worst of the storm and that's the question who's going to be in the worst of the storm as we go throughout the next four hours. We're gonna parallel. The coastline that northern is very close closed areas around wilmington rights bill beach go through oslo county the camp lejeune marine base there north topsil beach and then we could possibly get that landfall here carter at county near atlantic beach morehead city the beaufort area where the cedar island ferry takes you out here towards ocracoke. That's where we're going to be watching the possibility of the highest wind and so far they mentioned it. It hasn't been that dramatic with the winds even willing to you're not that far from the center but you're wizar- only gusting fifty-five were forty-three jacksonville myrtle beach still gusting at fifty two on the backside the storm but your weather will dramatically improve as we go throughout the night and so here's how we're going to see this playing out so here's that potential landfall in eastern carter county sometime time right around. It looks like maybe two three a._m. In the morning net could have the wind seventy five and ninety five miles per hour. We could get the peak of the surge to at high tide about that same time so we still have some problems there and then we take the storm early tomorrow morning over the top cape hatteras. It looks like by about ten a._m. It'll be crossing land in getting out over the ocean and then by noon tomorrow after about two weeks of watching what will be a historically remembered in never used name again. Dorian will be gone lawrence at noon tomorrow bill. You think that might be the last necessary. Reporting on this. I in the lower forty eight and the only caveat is that that this will slingshot up become extra tropical almost like a nor'easter type storm and go into nova scotia. They're gonna have some high winds and rain on saturday but it'd be it'd be a different beast than the hurricane. It's been now bill karen. Thank you very much for taking us tonight really appreciate it and how is it looking at this hour in north carolina right now. We head to wilmington where n._b._c. news. Correspondent cal perry is covering dorian for us there cow. What is the situation there lawrence just to give you ninety. I'm undercover. We're here. We've had three inches of rain in the last three hours that day. Lose is something that officials are worried about because the story here is flooding. I'll step out to see you can kind of hear the difference that you heard bill saying there. We're getting gusts up to about fifty miles an hour. Now terrible to be honest can considering what this storm has done on its way here and what people were expecting. A big part of the story here in a big part of the reporting needs to be what happened last year in wilmington. Hurricane florence hit one year ago next week and it cut the city off from the rest of the estate. This city was basically an island for a period of forty eight hours and because of that some people have decided to stay here and ride out the storm because they were <hes> able to get back into their homes last year. Emergency officials are telling people to hunker down this is sort of the meat of this storm and again just a reminder to anybody who you still has power power on in much of the city once those winds get fifty miles an hour and we're sort of right on that line. The authorities are not going to be able to get out and do any rescue efforts so important for people to remember for the next at least six hours. This is the time where they really want to hunker down awards cal perry. Thank you very much for joining us live report and for more on how the residents of wilmington north carolina are dealing with hurricane dorian. We are joined now by phone by mayor bill. Sappho is the mayor of wilmington north carolina and and mr mary we just heard from bill karen's that by noontime tomorrow this hurricane could be already in your history books. But what do you expect to wake makeup to tomorrow. In terms of the consequences that have already landed on wilmington a lot of raves and we're getting it right now of course a <hes> probably <hes> some downed trees and hopefully not paralyzed possibly power lines were also come down as long as this is the second time i'm in in a in a year that we're dealing with a hurricane. We had florence last year. Now we're dealing with dorian and it's <hes> you know it's it's obviously i say are kind of <hes> on whether weary but <hes> we're ready to go to hunker down and we'll put our assets our streets as soon as this storm passes now. I know you have a lot of experience as a coastal city in the carolinas align is dealing with hurricanes and anticipation canes but did you do anything differently this year based on last year's experience. We did <hes> last. Should we just we were cut off in the world for four days because the allen areas flooded and interstate forty i mean ari coming into the city was funded for four days. So we pre position fuel. A lot of resources that came in from the state early on <hes> were pre-position into higher ground closer to the city <hes> obviously we have been going through these hurricane drills a couple of times a year so our our teams down here first responders emergency operations officials always always learn something different about every storm and <hes> we learned a lot from florence and we pre position assets closer into the city does time than we did last damn <hes>. If this thing does come ashore there will be ready to to help the folks in the sentences on in our community. What do you want to tell the people of wilmington who have of <hes>. What do you want to tell them tonight about what they can expect in terms of being able to return well listen to what the emergency operation folks folks say <hes> you know gives us some time to get our crews into the streets and clean up the debris would make sure that they're already down power lines not livewires wires or somebody doesn't get hurt educated <hes> and let us get those things out of the way getting them cleared up before you move back into town. We'll give you the the all oh cleared to get back and you'll be listening to the state and to the federal officials as well as local officials on before you make that track back into town and we also want to make certain yeah we do have any roadways that are <hes> flooded. We we want the citizens to be aware of them because we we lost several people last year where people try to transverse oh rosa were covered and could make it and unfortunately <hes> balser lives because of it so we want people to be cautious and vigilant. Just listen to what emergency operation folks are. Can you mayor bill sappho wilmington north carolina. Thank you very much for taking the time to join us tonight. We really appreciate it and dwayne dr duane sands the health health minister of the bahamas who joined us on this program last night told n._b._c. news tonight that the death toll in the bahamas has just increased by seven to a new total of thirty. Dr sands told n._b._c. news quote. The official count is thirty. We expect a number two climbed dramatically. I certainly believe based on the findings in the field that the number will rise dramatically. I really believe that based on the geography topography. The separation due to flooding collapsed buildings thinks that this is going to take quite a while. I mean the zone were talking about islands in range of fifty miles settlements that are separated we literally you have to go house by house to inspect some of the structures that have collapsed. It's going to take quite a while. The logistics are incredibly challenging. It is a horrendous challenge right now. The prime minister has attempted to prepare the public for the ultimate confirmation and the expectation that this has been a a devastating storm and loss of life and property. Dr sands told n._b._c. news that the next death toll update will come sometime time tomorrow and joining us now by phone is the honorable quasi thompson. He is the minister of state for the grand bahamas a minister thompson. Can you tell us what you know. At this point about the changing death toll it. It suddenly went up by by seven. Is that because it's now easier to be able to make some of these identification recovery's yes. Yes and i wanna say good night to you tonight your to all of the folks in the u._s. In the world who is joining you're absolutely correct <hes> no of flood waters and our receding <hes> prisons are now able to get into <hes> the areas that were impossible before and so now now in that <hes> recovery mood we are we are recovering and and seeing now the unfortunately <hes> the <hes> that exist exist <hes> i am on the island grand bahamas on this team really is happening on the island of grand bahama read the second most populated island in <hes> in the hamas. Go a bit more populated than arbuckle <hes> and we are there some areas that we only were able to reach <hes> today <hes> unfortunately <hes> <hes> recovering bodies today <hes> so the prime minister and adopted signs absolutely correct that <hes> the official count on washington washington es is going to increase one of the grimmer points of news that we got today was the fact that the island's need more morticians more the people who know how to handle dead bodies and help in the identification of dead bodies and they are flying in from the united states as many <hes> as can is that the current most important focus is finding and identifying these victims well. That's that's one of the focuses. I mean we've been doing that today. <hes> getting into the eastern side of our island today and unfortunately we we did recover some bodies <hes> today <hes> however that's just one of the concerns <hes> we have <hes> hundreds of poisons on island that <hes> homeless <hes> we we have about four hundred now remain in shelters a number still well with their families. <hes> <hes> one part of our island was really completely devastated air. We had flood waters in the range of twenty feet high. <hes> some person trapped in their addicts had to be rescued. <hes> we have <hes> we announced shut up feeding banks because obviously listens or lost their houses. <hes> beyond complete island is out of power and out of water so the government has mobilized <hes> thankfully persons of have come forward the anada receiving relief items. I've been are mobilizing to get those relief items. <hes> impotent communities we have feeding centers and the now trying to feed clues provide water <hes> provide those essential supplies just to keep a population are there areas of the island's that are so remote that the the people there who have survived won't be able to find their way to a safer place. They won't be able to walk whatever that distance might be well. The island of grand bahama. I also the island of arbuckle really <hes> how the number of keys so you can imagine tier areas that are in in regular circumstances accessible by boat and in some cases only by small boats <hes> we compound at with <hes> the area's only accessible by one road and dot ruled either may have been washed away with a who would would have debris was covered and so it would have taken some time to access <hes> those those areas because of the up because at the time <hes> but we have done so <hes> by by way of heavy equipment and access those roads in some cases we've actually had to use <hes> vassals just go around the island to get into different different areas <hes> and so it has been challenging but the lease <hes> defense force on 'em officials <hes> i really commend because those so comes down and says the the <hes> stepped up the prime minister has said that we will spend no expand to ensure that <hes> we would began to recover that we do what we can into south population and that's really what has been happening minister thompson. Thank you very much for joining us tonight. We are very sorry for what has happened to your islands and what you are continuing when you discover in this aftermath. We really appreciate your time tonight. Thank you and we want to thank all of your listeners. <hes> we've gotten tremendous support <hes> commanders outpouring so we want to thank all of those persons who have been in the recovery effort and i've offered their help on assistance to us <hes> thank you very much. Thank you appreciate it and when we come back one of the most devastating hurricanes that has ever hit northeastern united states was hurricane sandy which brought devastation like we have never are singing to new york city's staff nyland and new jersey cory booker was mayor of newark new jersey van. He brought people into his home then to feed them to let them stay there and he saw what is always true about a hurricanes surviving. The hurricane is one thing but surviving the aftermath aftermath is something else surviving. The aftermath usually as much more difficult for poor people just like everything else where he booker will tell us what what he did leading his city for the aftermath of superstorm sandy. That's coming up hi. It's katie tur- want to keep up with m._s._n._b._c. While you're on the go subscribe to the m._s._n._b._c. daily newsletter. You'll get the best of what you've missed. During this unprecedented the era of news text m._s._n._b._c. two six six eight six six to subscribe the destruction caused by superstorm in hurricanes like dorian cost the united states billions of dollars in damages every year but when it comes to escaping surviving and recovering from a natural disaster. It's like everything thing else. Poor people suffer the most a report by the national bureau of economic research states the obvious there is a broad consensus that the wealthy can access access a wide range of protective strategies from owning a second home to accessing better quality medicine food and medical care and housing the poor are are thus more likely to bear the incidence of natural disasters. Our next guest has had hard experience dealing with the catastrophic effects of superstorm arms on poor communities cory booker was mayor of newark new jersey. When hurricane sandy hit new jersey in october of twenty twelve sandy had just been downgraded to to a tropical storm by the time it hit new jersey but it's still left millions without power and without a place to live mayor cory booker invited members of his community to eat and sleep in his home in the aftermath of the storm now united states senator booker is a democratic presidential candidate and he joins us tonight from newark newark new jersey senator booker. Thank you very much for joining us tonight. I wanted to get your reaction to what we just heard. The minister. Tell us from the bahamas hamas that the death toll has risen by seven tonight. It was down in the low twenty s at went up to thirty and we're told that it's going to probably rise dramatically atakli tomorrow and i want to get your reaction to what's happening at the book in the bahamas and what we should be doing to help well number one. My heart aches watching the photos and the videos and seeing what's going on there but you really hit the nail on the head. The when the storm in passes the danger persists we lost people here in the city lost lives in the days after because of things that folks often don't think of remember hurricane sandy hit in october. It was cold. People often make mistakes running generators indoors and we lost people to carbon dioxide oxide poisoning people need medicines and access to lifesaving drugs that sometimes z._v. refrigerated well. If you have no power your drugs can get spoiled. There are so many life life threatening things that happened in the aftermath of the storm that they are not out of the crisis yet and this is a test of our compassionate empathy right now and i'm hoping that folks are finding the right places to go to contribute to this effort because we here in the state of new jersey believe it or not have still people who are recovering their lives after the devastating loss and again lawrence i appreciate you on so many levels but pointing out the resiliency that people of wealth waffen have but low income families poor families it could be tragically tragically devastating to their lives and the impact can be lasting an traumatic and lasts for years no listen i know people who in the aftermath of hurricane simply pulled up and went to a hotel a distant hotel and and i also know people who lost their homes had nowhere to go and after sandy i didn't get through jersey but i was up in staten island which was absolutely devastated and i i. You're not surprising me by saying there. There are people in areas housing situations that have not recovered have not been made whole since sandy. What is the what is the government's responsibility in the aftermath of one of these storms. I think this is these are moments. Where we you have to understand. It is all hands on deck that word responsibility has everyone has to take responsibility and lawrence. You and i live in the new york new jersey area. We have seen from nine eleven to hurricane sandy. Where is the best of humanity. Come forward where people were there for their neighbors. They were there air for their community. They never stopped working and i know first responders and the aftermath my team was going days with very little to no sleep leap whatsoever but i tell you what we set up a hub in newark to receive resources and we're getting truckloads of food and water from states around around us people sending their emergency crews here doing sort of joint rescues because we had people stranded it was it was an amazing moment where i saw people didn't ask what party you're in. What background the best of who we are well. I think that's patriotism. I think that's love of country but love should stop at our borders. This is a time that we need that same kind of grace to the bahamas and what they're going through in america. We are one of the best nations if not the best nation often for showing showing support to a lot of our neighbors especially in the caribbean from haiti to the dominican republic to obviously in this case bahamas. I'm hoping more and more americans will think <hes>. Maybe i can't do everything but i do something even if it's a small gesture to help that incredible nation to recover that grace in the aftermath that you talk about i saw saw i witnessed it up close on staten island truly inspiring after sandy. What made you decide to actually take people into your home. I love where i live. I live in a low income below the poverty line community the you often see folks with little who consistently showed the most. I've learned about the definition of grace from living here in newark from people title where i've seen rise to challenge sometimes. It's a murder in the community family. That's been victory over frankly b._s. And so i just feel blessed blessed to have opportunities to return to a community so much for me so in that aftermath i was in the command center and literally running around the the city and i got a text from one of my neighbors who just said look. The power on our side of the block is out. Your side is not going to look. I'm not using my house going constantly. Just here's how you get in anything that you need. I'm going to send food resources so it became a hub. The problem is is that i got a lot of attention engine for doing that because i was a mayor but it was going on all over newark all over new jersey to see the deep decency and goodness in in our country when there's crises that happened i have to say than sometimes visible storm passes. I <unk> hope empathy can often continue to deal with other crises. We have whether it's environmental injustices or scourge of gun violence because we are at our best as a community eighty as a country when we don't let the lines that divide us ever stop us from tightening those those those those those bonds that hold this country entry together and we need more of that. I was in the nineteen eighty nine earthquake in san francisco. I've never seen anything like it before. This was one of america's americans will remember happened during the world series horrible devastation but i'll never forget that was the first major national natural disaster. I was in that weeks after you could go to gas stations. You go pull restaurants. There was kindness in the air. That was so profound. I saw america. It's best and i hope that we can continue especially in this era where we see demeaning and degrading happening at behavioral happening at the highest office in the land i want to see in our country and this is one the reason running for president a revival of civic grace so the spirit we often see come out when we were at our worst can also come out during times of relative tiv- com or without these kind of natural disasters that remind us about american goodness. We need more of that now more than ever especially as you see more partisanship arisen ship or more i would say more more just divide in our nation senator cory booker. Thank you very much for joining joining us tonight. We really appreciate it lawrence. I just want to say one more thing story about your uncle really moved me and there are heroes like that that we don't celebrate and we talking about the right now with first responders in crises a heroism you talked about in your uncle and we don't know and i now know this privy into it more as the united states senator whether it's rangers or seals special forces people out there right now as we speak out there doing incredible things i give honor to your uncle and to all those the americans or a continuing tradition so all the best to to your family's legacy. Thank you really appreciate it. Thank you for joining us tonight and when we come back president trump obviously wants us to talk about his defaced weather map tonight. He's doing everything he can to keep that story alive and often donald trump keeps a bad trump story alive. It's because every other trump story is much worse after this break john howland sam stein will join us is to discuss what we think. Donald trump doesn't want us talking about which includes taking money away from schools for the children of military rick personnel and using that money for you guessed if you haven't guessed it. You'll get the answer after this break grew up back. This is the second prison trump apparently wants us to be discussing his abuse of weather maps. He must want us to talk about it because he kept tweeting about it today. The president is personally keeping this story alive the story of him using a defaced weather map to try to prove that hurricane dorian could have reached alabama. Why is he doing this. Why does he so obviously want us to talk about this this story it's a bad story for donald trump but it does seem like it might be one of those deliberate trump diversions because the story we turn to now is much much worse for donald trump and worse in the view of trump voters and that is the new information. We have tonight about the money. Donald trump is diverting -verting from the defense department budget to pay for the wall. He promised his voters mexico would pay for. I will have mexico pay for that wall mark. My words mexico will pay for more believe me and and who's who's gonna pay for the wall mexico hundred hundred percent. How is the next rally going going to feel about. Chanting the pentagon will pay for the wall or we will pay for the wall or school. Children of military personnel will pay for the wall. This is a much worse story for donald trump than a fake line on a weather map. The defense department's diverting three point six billion dollars away from one hundred twenty seven military construction projects projects in twenty. Three states are being funded to pay for the wall nine of those construction projects are for building or renovating schools calls for the children of u._s. Military personnel utah a state with two republican senators is losing fifty four billion dollars in military funding that will be sent to the wall arizona senator martha mcsally who has supported the president's emergency declaration that he is using to justify the diversion of military funds uh-huh is now watching an army base in her state lose thirty million dollars to pay for the wall and that's after the secretary area defense had personally assured her that arizona wouldn't lose any money former astronaut mark kelly running as a democrat for the senate in arizona. Zona is already pulling ahead of republican senator. Martha mcsally mark kelly now says that senator mc sally quote didn't keep her word when she promised is to protect funding for arizona military bases as local news stories continue to appear in the twenty three states that are losing military funding to pay for the wall. No republican senator has suffered a harsher judgment in the local news media the north carolina republican senator thom tillis who must i survive a republican primary before entering what will be a competitive general election race for his reelection next year. A charlotte observer editorial said the loss of eighty million dollars in military atari construction. Spending in north carolina is quote an eighty million dollar punch in the gut and a lesson the thom tillis never seems to learn the lessons here. There are or at least a couple. I don't trust this president. Donald trump will not hesitate to burn anyone including people who've previously helped him to get the political victory and also when you buy political favors in exchange for your principles. The bill is always more than you thought it would be. We're joined now by two highly experienced political journalists who could surely deliver the best jokes on this program about the trump weather map but have agreed to temporarily leave that to the late night comedians while they concentrate on the issues issues. The president seems to be trying to us from john holliman's with us. He's a national affairs analyst for n._b._c. news and m._s._n._b._c. he has co host and executive producer of showtime's the circus and he's one of the a truly great writers who has fixed his focus on politics and are the better for it joins us. He is the politics editor of the daily beast and he he is an m._s._n._b._c. Political analyst continues to deliver some of the most important reporting of the trump era about what the trump administration is actually doing ninety <music> levers of power in government vami not saying i mean you're the one who goes inside the government in these stories that few us of find the space to cover and tell us what what they're really up to so. Let let's start with you on this question of. He wants us to talk about the hurricane map because what's the thing he doesn't want us talking about. Is it the money for the military money. I don't buy the premise i okay i. I think you know earlier. When i was covering trump i probably would have bought the premise the three dimensional chess and i certainly do you that the military the diversion military funds to the wall is an embarrassing story if anything anything a complete absence of his campaign for the entire republican party yeah because they they allowed this to get through with the transference funds but i've come through observation and reporting that trump is just sort of clinically incapable of moving on from these things into him. There's no greater slight than being perceived as is being completely out of touch with reality and so he's now gone through almost a dozen tweets a proclamation statements written upon maps to prove that he was right about about alabama and what's particularly bizarre about this and why. I think that this is a very bad story from in its own right. He's doing all while our country is still dealing with turkey and it's not like the hurricane has passed north carolina's about getting it right now so it would be one thing if we gone through this. There was no damage but he's literally distracted by proving that alabama was in the crosshairs as north carolina is dealing with this. I meant to include this in the premise. I cling to the to the possibility that it's both yeah yeah. There's an obsessive and he has obsessive behavior all the time but he's also aware he's looking at those maps segments and going well. They're not talking about the the kids schools that i'm not funding well. I think this is the right answer and i will say not obsessive pathological as the word you're looking for. His pathology is a pathological liar. The pathology apology however is triggered by various bad news on other fronts so the pathophysiology gets up intensive when he looks around and sees what all the domestic political fraud he looks at polling where he's getting beaten like a gong in every swing state by not just joe biden but by many of the doubt further down the scale will democrats he looks across the ocean. He sees fred boris johnson getting beaten about the face and neck every day telling us how smart boris johnson and then and then he looks at the economy on me where we have news just this today this the survey that these certified accountants financial industry executives who are more pessimistic about the look for the economy than they have been in three years and you've got data coming out that suggests that we have a looming recession so economic news political news foreign news all bad stories for donald trump and it amps up the instinct for pathological lines. Let me just say it's not like this. Particularly savvy effort virtually no not want us. I guess i'm just making hers. You say it doesn't take sophistication to try to divert attention to something a little bit more positive than you have ranting about alabama and writing over man. What's he gonna go do a rally somewhere. Leave the oval office. Go down to the border. The building the wall there are things you could do as the president united states to divert attention and much more positive ways instead of bringing attention to yourself with someone who is incapable of getting over the idea that alabama may have had gusty winds lawrence points out in his loft around chen. What's he gonna do is go to a rally in the key and the key element of the rally they build that wall mexicans get paid for do that anymore. Be more stuck with the idea that mexico and painful the guy can maneuver through this. What's remarkable to me is that he just unable to get literally get out of his chair and try to do something. Ask other than tweet and say look at this map. I drew on it gets the last word in this round because he really likes the stein. Thank you both for joining us tonight and when we come back it's tonight's episode of meet. The freshman freshman democrat jason crowe colorado is a former u._s. Army ranger who served three tors in iraq and afghanistan says donald trump's plan to divert money from military projects to pay for the border wall is putting military readiness at risk crow is also also working to keep the kinds of weapons that he used in on the battlefield out of the hands of america's mass murderer is he's one of the democratic freshmen who won in a republican public district and who has come out in favor of the impeachment process. This is a freshman. You're really gonna wanna meet. That's coming up when the news began to break yesterday about exactly where the three point six billion dollars military funding was coming from to you pay for the trump border wall freshman democratic congressman jason crowe of colorado was on a bipartisan delegation trip to the southern border with republican can representative don bacon of nebraska. They were right there at the border. They are both members of the armed services committee which has original jurisdiction over that money that is now being diverted to the trump wall. Karston crowe served in combat in iraq. He also served in combat in afghanistan where he was a member of the elite army. Rangers are military's original special forces unit. It was his service in iraq that informed his decision this summer to support an impeachment inquiry and a medium he imposed. He wrote announcing his decision on impeachment. He told the story of patrolling the streets of baghdad when an iraqi man approached him with a problem that should have been settled in court but the man told jason crowe that there was so much corruption in iraq he said justice is hard to find jason in cro. City is hearing that same kind of thing now in the united states he wrote. I recognize that the values i fought for overseas where now under assault at home home i didn't run for office because i dislike donald trump iran because i love our country and he ran in colorado district last year that has never elected a a democrat in his statement supporting impeachment inquiry congressman crow wrote during my tours in iraq and afghanistan. I saw what happens when government officials are you're above the law when democrats campaign in previously republican districts in the west. They usually don't like to talk about the gun one problem in this country but jason crowe ran as a democrat who supports banning the sale of assault weapons. I look at the gun violence crisis and how it's torn apart so many families enough is enough. These are the weapons that i needed when i was fighting in iraq and afghanistan aghanistan and now they're tearing our communities apart when my four year old daughter comes home from school and tells us about the bad guy drills that she has in how she had to hide in a dark closet and be quiet in case a bad guy ever came to their school. I've had enough of this tonight's episode of meet the freshman you will meet congressman jason crowe. He will tell us what the people in our government working in the southern border told him yesterday and today about what they need to secure our southern border. We'll get the results of his informal poll of border officials on the question of to build or not to build the trump wall. That's next and for tonight's episode of meet the freshman we are joined now by the forty year old freshman democratic congressman jason crowe of how thank you very much for joining us tonight congressman really appreciate it beyond lawrence. Thank you <hes> you were down at the southern border. Just as this news was breaking on the three point six billion. That's being diverted verdict from the jurisdiction of of your committee the armed services committee to the to fund the border wall. What did you hear at the border from the people working there about what they need at the border so every location we visited. I asked one simple question because i didn't want to <hes> guide the answer in any particular direction i just said what is your greatest need from washington. What what can we give you to help you get this job done and accomplish. Your mission on the border and every single person gave me the same answer. They said we need more personnel. They didn't say a wall in fact one agent that i was talking to said you know. It doesn't matter what we build. We put a fence. A wall slats barricades. They always find a way over under or through it but what we need is more personnel more agents so that just illustrated to me that the president's dry hi for this wall is a political decision. You know he's driving this based on his politics and his need to show strength or or to keep a campaign. Promise whatever it happens to be but this is not what the folks <hes> are saying <hes> certainly to me as their number one priority. It sounds like the kind of question that if a member of congress found you you in iraq when you're serving afghanistan that a wise member cars what about you what you need is that is that where that kind of question comes from for you. Well what i like to do when i do these visits he's congressional oversight of visits. <hes> i just wanna get information. You know my my job is to get information to assess that information and to make good policy. You know it's not the drive politics in any of these situations. That's not my background around you. I grew up in a family of small business owners and construction workers. I worked in construction to put my way through college. I became an army ranger. You know my job was about getting things done <hes> for my community and for people not about politicizing issue so i always want to try to get the best information possible and that certainly my background. I want to go to your decision this summer to come out in support of an impeachment inquiry. Tell us how you got there. Yeah yeah you know i wanted to assess all the information. I wanted to wait to see what the muller report contained in it. <hes> i read the whole report was shocked by its contents contents. I still am shocked by its contents wanted to hear what robert muller had to say. <hes> some of the other testimony ultimately at the end of the day this was about rule of law this this was about my experience as you mentioned earlier and iraq and afghanistan and seen firsthand what happens in a society when people don't trust government anymore when <hes> rule of law and order in process breaks down <hes> and i started to see some indications of that you know early on my campaign you know i was talking to some folks out on the campaign trail trail and <hes> you know several of them said listen does it doesn't really matter what you tell me and you seem like a really nice guy but i just don't believe this system works for me whether you're republican or democrat and that really shook me human that took me to the core to hear people saying that that type of <hes> apathy and resignation and i wanted to do something about it and that's why i said <hes> recently only that you know we have to conduct an inquiry congress has to cert- itself in this process and maintain checks and balances if we're not able to do that now than when congressman <hes> what is your constituents reaction been to this because as we've said stress that you're the first democrat to represent this district and here you are earn your first year saying you wanna have an impeachment inquiry of a republican president well. I walked people through my thought process on this. I'd get out of my community a lot hold town halls and coffee's on the corner roundtables all the time you know over the last month. We're here on our the district work period. I probably thirty or forty public events out in the community. I need with anybody and everybody. I take their questions and i walk them through. My thought process and i i think that's a a a lesson for other focuses. Don't hide from those interactions and even if people don't agree with you necessarily if you show up if you're willing to have the conversation with with them talk through the issue keep an open mind listen what they have to say be respectful of them more often than not <hes> th th they'll be okay with the way you come out because i always i remind my constituents said the promise is not agreement one hundred percent of the time you know if <hes> if elected official comes up and says you know you're going to agree with you a hundred percent of the time they're not telling you the truth the promises about <hes> you know making sure you're transparent and open with folks carson. Jason crowe gets tonight's last word. Thank you very much for joining us. Please come back really good to have you here. Thank you good to be on. Hey it's chris as from m._s._n._b._c. Every day. I come come to the office and we make a television show an everyday. I think to myself there's so much more. 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Episode 46: The death of Specialist Enrique Roman Martinez

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Episode 46: The death of Specialist Enrique Roman Martinez

"I don't think my brother was gonNA originally go because the way they know that for sure he went to the island there's video footage of him getting on a ferry that takes them to the island and he was buying some trump's. But I know my brother, my brother's like me were very similar and he prepared if he knows he's going to go on a trip he prepares. Him going by the trunk tells me that he wasn't planning on going at all and from what I understand. They were planning the trip for about two three months ago. Prior to that. So it's it's been a planned trip. I just know that my brother wasn't originally going to go and they convinced him to. We are learning more now about the murder of a soldier from Chino but investigators taking a closer look at the case say some of the details don't quite add up eyewitness news reporter Jessica to Nova explains why a nine one one call only deepens the mystery of what happened to twenty one year old and Rica Roman. Martinez. Desperate to know what happened to twenty one year old in Greek or Roman Martinez of Chino his sister and mother go to the place where he was last seen alive. The army paratrooper with the eighty second airborne division was camping here over Memorial Day weekend on south core banks. One of the islands off the coast of North Carolina Rangers say the National Park was busy over the holiday it safe to assume that there were hundreds of vehicles and thousands of visitors out on Dislande. Over the course of that, begin the twenty, six mile long narrow island not an easy place to go missing according to ranger. NATO. Ring the geography of these islands. Makes it difficult for somebody to get lost for an extended period of time without some other existing problems but in the nine one, one call on Saturday may twenty third around seven in the evening. One person in the group tells the dispatcher they Sandra Man Martinez walkaway wearing only blue shorts around midnight nearly nineteen hours earlier. He would not here and even looking all day we're trying to find park ranger or we their offices or anything the host of the podcast military murder Margot gathered stories from different news outlets about military death investigations. Comment from an NPS ranger in an article is interesting to her. He had mentioned something about the. The Rangers bumping into the group soldiers earlier in the day. When I took a listen to the nine one one call. I realized that it seemed like it was different from what he had said to the reporter at the time toe ring confirms to Rangers in uniform and marked vehicles made contact with the group between one and two Saturday afternoon asking them to move there illegally parked vehicles and at no point during that interaction a dude anybody from the group mention a missing person the caller goes on to say the group is worried specialist Ramon Martinez was suicidal remark. Might have heard him. So we're we're we're really not sure he wouldn't diagnose, but he did have suicidal tendency this older sister says. Her little brother changed over the last year. He started saying he didn't want to be there anymore and he just wanted to come home but says, he had a lot to look forward to his end of term in service less than a year away. Live. We had all these plans we were. GonNa by his par out here he was gonNA move in with me he was gonNA. WanNa go to school. We were going to take a trip to Japan the Army announcing on May twenty ninth partial remains washed up onto the shore of Shackelford. Banks near the campsite identifying them one week. Later as those of the missing soldier, the paratroopers death ruled a homicide leaving his mother devastated asking those who last saw her son alive to remember what happened A. Good Buzz. So begging their mothers make their children's speak. In will judges because it's unbearable to not know what happened to her son. Hello. This is mark. I read a weekly newspaper, Column About True Crime Unsolved Homicides in the paranormal. You can find links to my social media accounts in columns on my website titled the Mark Hobbs Dot Com welcome to the cash killer podcast. Thank you for listening. If, you would like to help support my podcast with a donation for production costs. Please click on my paper out donation line. For this week's episode I spoke to Zelda who is the sister of Army Paratrooper Enrica Roman Martinez who disappeared on May twenty second two, thousand, twenty over the Memorial Day weekend he had gone camping was seven other Fort Bragg soldiers on North Carolina South. Core banks. On May Third Two thousand twenty a fellow soldier called nine one one in claimed that Martinez had wandered off the previous evening and never returned allegedly he was only wearing shorts and no. His remains washed up on Shackelford Banks Island on May Twenty Ninth Two thousand twenty. Somewhat, had murdered in K. and then dismembered his body in an effort to cover up the murder. Griselda said the following to ABC seven news. It was so cruel what they did to him why did they have to do that to him? He's already gone. Why did they have to go the extra step to do this to him army? See ID is investigating the death of Martinez resulted. told me that her brother was preparing for life after the military. She had gotten her own place with her boyfriend after face military enlisted ended he had plan on moving into his sister spare bedroom. She was going to help him get a job with her in human resources is that was in case position in the army result I asked the obvious million dollar question. How does brother go camping with seven other soldiers and end up being murdered? She believes that brothers federal soldiers know exactly what happened to him she said he wouldn't even go for a swim in the deep end of Opole. So there is no way he would go swimming in the ocean at midnight. She also said that he allegedly wants swimming without glasses. He wouldn't do this either because he couldn't see without his glasses result of said that none of the other seven soldiers or cooperating they are all claiming that they don't know anything now with the story of the death of enriched gave Roman Martinez is told by his sister Griselda Martinez. And rega- was born in. POMONA. California. September Seventh Nineteen Ninety Eight He was a really Intimidated and very reserved very private. I mean, of course, he's my younger brother. So I saw him as noxious annoying but you know you was my younger brother but in school he was always a quiet kid he always. Everybody was included. He's a very straight kid. He really had a lot of friends. He they always say that he always was laughing that. Once you got to get to know him. He was the Kinda always. Made sure that you were laughing and most people would try to antagonize him or something or you know pick on him but he was just blessed offers say, yeah sure. Why not us very confrontational just an all around good kid he did struggle in High School because my dad was deported when he was about ten or eleven. So he struggled in high school trying to figure out how to be a man what it is you know puberty all that stuff and unfortunately our father wasn't present and it was just. My mother myself and my older sister and we didn't know what to do. So he struggled with that is he was always a really smart kid. He always had rape grades and school since Elementary School he had great grades he always had as and BS. Was until high school that his grades started to to fall because again, he had issues just figuring out to manhood part of it. He went on to go to continuation school, and then from there army recruiters, what to the high school he was at in Brenham Vista. knows the continuation school and pretty much sold him on the idea of my brother had. Honor and discipline and more. Importantly, my brother was very focused on helping us as a family because when my parents you know my dad deported and everything that's in the recession hit. My Dad got deported. My Mom lost her job and she had to sell all of her goal just to keep us a flow and work two jobs. We didn't have a car. She had to take a bus all the way from Chino to Whittier, which is about I think two or three hours something like that. I think just two hours. So he really wanted to help his family more than anything I. Myself was a really great student in school as well, but I was unable to go to school because we. Couldn't get any funding from the fast and just a lot of things I just start working. He saw that struggles. So he wanted to pretty much you know. An easy way out which is what the army paints for him. They told them that you would always be able to get a job. You know they told them that the schooling would be free that he would be able to go to school and pretty much just promised him that he would be set. Once he went to the army and served and that he had the opportunity to grow with you wanted. And to my brother, it sounded amazing. Route to recruiters home and. They have to convince us because my mom and I were absolutely against it my brother and I were really close. It was usually just me and my sisters older than a legal. She's older than my brother by seven years. And she's two years older than me but me and her never saw eye-to-eye my brother and I were a lot closer than I was to her and my mom trusted me a lot and making certain decision just because she can't be English and can't understand it very well. So I've always been very protective of my brother since we were younger. So you know I always worried about his grades they try to push him I, try to help them become a more responsible adult. So he brought these recruiters home they were explaining to us what a great opportunities they told us about the school and we told him no and my. Mom can just work and pay it for him. That's not a problem. He doesn't meet like. Well, it's really great. He's going to get on her. He's GonNa. It is. It's an honorable occupation. It'll be really great for him. You'll learn discipline and again we're like, no, he doesn't need the he's just a young kid. You'll learn that and then he was insistent that he wanted to go. He wanted to go for him because he wanted to do for himself because he wanted you grow as a person and pretty much have pride you know where Hispanics. So he wanted to his mom and his family prideful they heated something so great. So I asked him I'm like. Are you really sure about this? If you go to war, you might not make it because at the time he joined I, believe trump was taking a fight with north. Korea. So I was desperately just really concerned and he said, no, I'm willing to take that risk I if it's for my country that I'm willing to take it because my family lives here, my friends live here and I want nothing more than to protect them and their freedom I said, well, I mean, you see Mike you have your mindset. You're seventeen years old if we let you do it now you're gonNA wait till. You're eighteen and Golden Yoursel. So then I, ask them. Well, what guarantees that if he doesn't go to war, he'll be safe otherwise they said that they have something called a battle buddy system that each of them always you have at least one person that looks out for you in every single way like you know whether it's physically or mentally like if you're hurt or if you're sad or anything like that, and that made me feel better than that to meant that there was always going to be someone looking out for my brother. So we decided to just let him go because if we weren't GonNa let him go at. Seventeen. Eighteen go himself so he went and he loved it. He loved it for I think maybe two and a half years. Yeah. I think two and a half years you never complained he'd loved it. He was happy about it. I was able to go to his basic training graduation and I was really proud of him and what's eighty second airborne, right? Yes. Yes. Yes. to think. Yes. No they call me all the time and I never knew penned. Out. of Or Brag and then you have the one hundred first screaming eagles out of Fort Campbell Kentucky to honorable old units. Yeah. No I I know like you know I'm really proud because he wanted to be a ranger at first and he pretty much explained it to me like it's one of those that goes into combat and retrieves people or you know something special like. That and I told him. Well, that's very dangerous. But if you feel up to it, I'm sure you can manage a you always whatever you set your mind to you. You accomplish it. He didn't make the cut. It wasn't able to go through the training He can stick it out. So he decided to be a paratrooper went to I think Fort Benning I'm not exactly sure. What they do job school. Oh Yeah. Okay. Perfect. So that is where he went. He did his training and then we'll stationed in Fort Bragg. He decided to go to hr because I told him because I wanted him safe and I wanted him to have a good life and I knew that anywhere you go HR is such an important job and him being a veteran I told him he should get hired anywhere. It would be great for you not a rigorous job if. You wanted to go to college on the side. You would be able to do that, and just you know because I know that I could also get him a job at my company and HR. So he was sold on anything when as the HR specialist from what they told me and when my mom and I went to Fort Bragg that he did incredibly well, he always knew everything he learned everything he wasn't top of everything he was very hard working individual and they really. Everybody loved him because he was just always laughing and always trying to make people laugh. That's pretty much where my brother was on top of he really loved hiking. He liked being outside he was afraid of the dark and he wasn't a great swimmer. He as a paratrooper would I think the requirement was for here? He did I believe seventeen or nineteen jumps a year. so He loved to jump he said that he felt free it wasn't until like maybe a year and A half ago my brother started doing he really hated the army he didn't. WanNa. Be there anymore he was homesick he missed MOM's cooking. He missed hanging out with he missed being with those. He felt like he was missing out on so much. He would talk to me that he felt like he didn't know this was the right choice for him to May. He felt like a lot of things had gone by and you know a lot of people mistake that for Seidel. Thoughts or depression, but he wasn't he was just a young adult who felt like he hadn't accomplished much which I would tell him that's not true. You're young you're only twenty one you have your whole life ahead of you. There's so much more to do don't see that I second you know and I know that's how he felt for a while just because I just I don't know what it was because he just wanted to come. Home already I don't know if there was something else I just knew they. He never ever one seems super depressed, not conversation which I can identify with 'cause I'm twenty six and you know there's always this whole you should be married now he should have a house you should have this not. So I understood him the last time I spoke to him was Wednesday i? Believe it was the nineteen th or the eighteen I spoke to him. Or constantly message each other on instagram and not really Texas just. But most on Instagram I talked to him because he was going to move in with me he was going to finish his term September I think a little bit after his birthday I don't remember exactly when but he was gonna come home and I had just moved out of my mom's and got a place with my boyfriend and we have our bedroom. And I told him, he could definitely move in with us. You'd have his own room. That's what he's always wanted. You know when we were growing up, we always shared rooms then he always wanted his own room. So you finally going to get that and we were talking about how we were going to set up his bedroom I was gonna get him an air conditioner. 'cause we don't have central air conditioning in the house. He was gonNA get his own bed and I stress the importance of investing in a great bed and they were talking about how we wanted to go to Japan, and I somehow I have airline miles I haven't used the have way too many of them. We could all go to Japan and we talked about shows that we watch and we have plans. You know how I was telling him how my mom and my sister GonNa fight and he was just telling me to. Just leave them. They'll figure it out how and I was complaining to them, how they always invoke me and all this stuff and just everything indicating that he wasn't suicidal at all and I know he wasn't so that we can was memorial. Day. Weekend I. He had told me that he was going to go on a trip with seven other people. So it was I believe they last Friday may twenty second my mom and I didn't get a phone call till Sunday May. Twenty fourth they called us and asked us if my brother was with us and we really like are they crazy? Why would he be with us? He's over there. They asked us if we knew if my brother was suicidal or depressed at all and were just shocked no, you know why would why would he be that at all I just talked to him everything was fine. Then they asked me if I knew if he would ever what a way or anything because he was. Depressed, and again, this was all crazy talk to me like no that would never happen and my brother would never skip out on something that he committed himself to. So I was asking because my mom can speak English and I think it will Colonel Tan that called me and he told me your brother is missing. He's been missing since Friday night at midnight they say he just walked off. So we were just wondering if by any chance he somehow got to you guys. Or when a wall or something I'm like no, that's not my brother and I'm like. Well, have you call his cell phone? What do you mean? Where did he take all his stuff or like I didn't understand because at this point, I didn't understand that they were on an island camping. So he said, no, he didn't take any of your belongings, even take his cell phone, his wallet or his shoes or anything short. So then I'm like, what like that's crazy. So when he explained to me that they went camping man, he just walked off. So I. was just really concerned I was you know we were just really scared. We didn't know what happened to him. We did it. We knew that he he would never do this. He would just never do this. So then I asked I tried calling him I tried calling him over and over again and there was no answer. So I called back and someone else picks up and I'm like look it's really important I just need to notice he has his glasses off or did he take his glasses and they said no and I'm like are they with his? Other I said, yeah. I, it's all the rest of the stuff and then that's when I told my mom and people knew there was something wrong 'cause my brother can't see without his glasses. So we told them, there's something wrong. He can't see without his was why would he leave his losses and go in the middle of the night without his glasses he can't see it's dark. She's afraid of the dark the freight of the water and told them there's something wrong. There's something wrong. So then my mom and I, we book the fly and we arrived. On Wednesday during the whole time I kept calling and calling and calling because I wanted to know if there was any other update at the time, I didn't understand how small the island was. You literally cannot get lost in that island. There's no way. So when my mom and I arrived, we were hoping that we were GonNa, come home with him that we're gonNA find him. He was going to be hurt. I was to make yell at him and tell him how he needs to be more careful and why is he making all this commotion and just? Stuff you know 'cause we really thought we were GONNA fight him. We arrived they question. Does that the base asked us about his temperament and more? Can I say he's a shy kid. He's not gonNA walk away when he did get lost him he was a little kid. He knew he had to stay exactly where he where we last left ten he's just knew and if he it was if it took too long to. Dole you know possibly a woman so he knew all this. So they questioned us, it's about his temperament and all this other stuff and. Answer. We went to the island next day and I we lost hope once we got there we lost hope we were devastated because we looked at the island and it's not they're not huge trees. There's not a little forest. There is a small very small forest, but it's way too sick. To walk through, you would have scratches and everything. It was mild from where they camping and my brother had just had surgery and was recuperating get something compartment syndrome. So they had to go in there and we range not rearranges muscles but I'm really not sure what the process was, but he wasn't in shape to run or walk very far without getting tired or being in pain. So we looked around that chief ranger showed us the whole island she said that people don't get lost. For more than half an hour here I asked her was the possibility of my brother drowning just said, it could be very possible. He would have to show them out and get stuck on the riptide but I just don't see my brother doing that at all I just don't because he doesn't even go on the deep end of the pool. So why would he go and so not in the ocean which is not him and not a midnight exactly nine not without his glasses either nobody's doing. Exactly so then we got back to her place. My mom and I started crying because we knew something horrible happened because he saw that island think about my we think about my brother in his temperament how he is he's just quiet. He doesn't it's not a big troublemaker he's not confrontational. He wouldn't fight anyone normally voice fights the only time he doesn't avoid fights is when he's sending up for someone and that's just who my brother is. So we knew something was wrong and we were scared the whole time. The army had sent a thirty plus soldier search group Tuesday and they didn't find anything. So we knew something was wrong if they searched the whole island, the only twenty, six miles long most of it is marsh and. Then, beach. So if they search through it and they couldn't find my brother than we were just you know we didn't want to think but something that happened. So they called us and told us oh, we're working nature DNA just think he's you know you guys leave and we find something at this point it had been maybe a week and that was Friday that they asked us to come in at that point. You know we're not saying that he's gone but in case we find something we'll have your teenage able to you know identify him. We didn't think anything other like, okay whatever well, we didn't know is. That early that morning, human partial human remains I'd washed up on the next island and I had asked the ranger that if he had drowned, where would the types taken? She had been the chief ranger for about ten years. So she seemed drownings before you told me that most bodies end up for his partial remains ended up. So they took our DNA and then they broke the news to us that they found partial remains at this point i. think it's public information. So I think I can tell you the congresswoman's that herself. So when we asked what partial remains they said, it was just his head on God. It was just. I didn't know that I heard the part Maine's but I I didn't know it was just I didn't know that. So. It was just. Washed up and. I'm sorry. It's okay and I had. You know. It was hard and I was trying to stay strong because. I still didn't WanNa believe that was my brother. They told us they had. Identified him. He was the only one that went to the area. So it's very highly likely that it was him and I have well, did you are you guys gonNA use dental records and they told us that the condition that? His remains were they probably wouldn't be able to identify his teeth. I didn't ask any more of that like what we're the specifics what do you mean by that? Because I wanted to know what the movement He's they had Caesar DNA. We're like, okay, fine. That's fine. We were GONNA stay longer hoping to find him but after that we decided to go home. So we flew back. We came back Monday and that following Friday I. Think it was June fifth I remember 'cause it was my anniversary. It was my boyfriend end up. That it was had dental records and we were really skeptical at first I. Mean We of course we. Cry. Because, it is him. Then we didn't think that necessarily the army would just come in and saying that it is but then we were. Regarding a little suspicious because they told us that they absolutely need it the DNA. Then now they're telling us that they use dental records and so we didn't trust them the B., agent we had at the time wasn't the most communicated so really hard just finding out that it was my brother and having someone who was kind of not being sensitive about it. So they told us that they identified him. Upset, but you know dramatic chairs I ask is home side because they had mentioned it is homicide at any point that they would involve. The FBI would get involved the casualties officer at the time I don't think she didn't know at the time should I'm not sure to be honest. So I called the CAD agent and he's working catch these people in but at the time that. Mean anything to me you know what he meant. You know. So maybe three or four days later, my boyfriend's mom sent me an article from army time saying that it was homicide. We were really upset that the agent didn't tell US specifically that it was on the side. You know I was very upset and I I mean of course I, am. I just that my brother was brutally dismembered. You know just really cute. So I went off on the city agent then she went off on me and I just didn't want to talk to him anymore, and so my casualty officer was I think she helped me with a lot of things we weren't ready to they were pushing all this paperwork on. We're not ready. It's been. A few days been me to know that my brother was. So brutally murdered that way. Now, let me ask you this how who found the remains how how did that happen I? Believe it was a fisherman saw his head floating to the shore Carter County was their first. And took it. Yeah. I mean it's fortunate that he I mean that's terrible of what has discovery was but it's a good thing to in a sense that it gave your you and your mother and sisters some kind of relief that at least you know he's gone you know you're not going to sit at home in California every day sweat and Maury about what happened did he? What happens when I mean you? You have an answer now you just need to know what happened doing. Yeah, exactly. So from there. By casualty officers at that me and what I could. It didn't WanNA talk to the agency more trying to find me someone else that I could speak to figure me to numbers. I had lost one and I called the other and the other was disconnected and. Eventually I found the other one and I was able to get better cad agent I. think maybe a month before I found I thought the agent but I decided to just ask on my own. I asked like all I found out where the coroner was had. The Medical Examiner's office that had my brother's remains and I asked him how it was homicide because when I had asked last agent for the new one, he said that he couldn't tell me that information. So I really wanted to know I wanNA. Know you know I wanNa know what happened I want to know why someone would do this to my brother so. I talked to the corner. They said that the way that the partial remains was indicated that it wasn't anything. Any Ocean that would do this to his and it was more consistent with some sort of weapon. He didn't tell me which one. So I don't know I don't know what kind of weapon I don't know. You know nothing like that I know that some he definitely said someone. Did this to your brother it wasn't just an accident or anything someone did this to him. They aren't able to walk what was the actual cause of death. So we don't know if my brother was dismembered ally. If we don't know if they rest his body up, we don't know if he was shot we don't know he was bludgeoned. We don't know anything of that sort and unless they find more of his remains which chest to spend it, we might not know unless one of those seven come and say what happened. Ever. Since this whole thing they've stuck to their same story that they don't know what happened. He just walked off I really wish I had more to tell people I really wish there was some sort of progress, but the story is still the same. They tell me every day that they're working on it. It's a priority. They have to solve this. You know one of them mentioned it's a very prestigious. Division so they really have to solve this. It doesn't make me feel better because. We still don't have answers are seven whole witnesses and no answers. They told me they're trying this trying not and still no answers. You know unless one of those seven people talk you're not GonNa get anything because more than likely when this happened they probably all stuck together and said, okay, nobody's GonNa say anything because you know in the military they also had that. Code of Silence. You know what the police have that they don't tell on each other. Well, it's like that in the military to like, I said I I'm a military veteran myself I was in the army and I know about that and that's kind of thing you know you even if it's bad you don't even if you're not involved, you don't rat your buddy out. That's the mentality in less. One of these guys will WanNa talk now I think under pressure if they find out eventually later that. They may go to prison. You know I mean then you might hear somebody turn, but it has to be of those. It has to be I mean because this is an island. This is a small area. It's not like they were at a pool party in the middle of California or Florida with a bunch of buddies and one hundred people you know like a big party. It's this is a secluded area there seven up eight I'm with your brother and they knew him. So there's nobody else there that would've done that I would say, yeah, and you know, and if there was, they're not saying you, it's you know it's it's hard. They told me that they interrogate them and they tell me they can't over interrogate them that they also have civil rights. They do and they have to respect that and I've heard from other veterans the code of Silence. And I just can't believe it because then it's a pick and choose then at that point. Because my brother wasn't actually there buddy he was just no one. If they're not willing to help their buddy, you know, how did he know these guys most notable someone if he's going camping trip with them right they told me that they knew each other very well, they told me that they know each other. They would play video games and watch shows together. So they knew each other and my brother had never mentioned them well read ask about friends. He told me that they that they're not friends acquaintances. Okay. So you have a lot of those backley so. I. Don't understand why anyone would do this. At all you know I don't understand why if anyone else in the unit would know something wouldn't speak up base talked. So highly of my brother. And yet, they're all silent I'm sure they told someone something or something that happened something because the day that we went to go search or no it was that Tuesday that the search party went out with Fort Bragg. They had mentioned that this girl from the base also went. So. Originally, they had told us it was picked people. Seven including my brother and they hit the fact that it was this girl that had gone with them. I believe she's under the age of twenty one that had previously gone in trouble on the base for drinking. and. If she did something else but she wasn't supposed to, she was going to get kicked out of the army. So they hit that from the original. Statement that they gave their superiors and it wasn't until that they went to the island to search for him because the. Other people went that they told someone slipped out that the girl was also there. So I know for a fact. That unit has to has to know more. These. Guys are GonNa lie about that. What else are they lying about exactly and then on top of that the nine one one call. There's just so many holes nut to, why would they say my brother suicidal before all this they had not before the event but. Before my brothers remains washed up they had. Talked to all of the CO workers. That worked with my brother and they all said, he's not suicidal not one close not one bit from it milled when he was talking to you that telling you that he wasn't happy in the army. Did he give you a reason why he's Pacific. Yeah he would just tell me that it's just a lot of work. It's a lot of paperwork because he was an HR. He would always complain about his pick for he wouldn't tell us why he did. I mean he vaguely told me you know I'm in charge of like people's vacations and stuff like that is like you know what HR isn't it? Okay. I don't know what it is. He never indicated that there was anyone bullying him. He complained about how superiors trying to earn you know higher ups or little bit higher than him trying to get. Promoted that would be like, Hey, do this work like I'm already doing. You don't have to say it in front of the commanding officer to make yourself look good. So it was never he asked him if he was having any trouble that no, why would I have any trouble and I'm like are you sure he would say yes. But of course, it's hard to tell with my brother because he was so reserved and thrive it. If there was something going on, he was gonNA, keep it to themselves and I wish that I for whatever reason he could've confided in me so I could probably helped him out now you know. Because I have a feeling listening to your story. I have a feeling that somebody or somebody's there is one or two people had issue within about something that made him uncomfortable and you know he may have been getting bullied but perhaps he didn't feel comfortable telling you because see that's another thing you know you don't really tell people outside about even family about those type of issues you know you kind of keep those internal. Kind of how it is it's a different. It's a different mindset being in the army. It's not like being a regular civilian. It's the way you're training y you're taught the way things are in your head. It's a little bit. It's a, it's a different lifestyle and the other thing you have to realize about the military is a lot of people have this misconception that. The military consists of a lot of you know all these brave heroic men and women and all these great people. That's not true at all. Let me tell you something there are. Now there is a lot of good people in the military, but not only does the military attract good people. It also attracts scumbags you have drug dealers, you have thieves, you have people that. Criminals that get in maybe they don't have a wrecker necessarily or they got. Some of it expunged maybe they just never got caught. But they're just not good people and they go to. Daycare go into the military as well. So there's a lot of bad people in the military and you get mixed up with them and you just don't know what what could you something can happen to you and it sounds like that's probably what happened here brother he might have made an enemy with somebody somebody added out for him for some somebody had had it out him and I'm just curious as to why they invited him there. You know it almost sounds like was planned the bring him out there for that reason. Yeah. Yeah, you know what I keep telling them and could they have nothing to suggest so and I you know and I I got Matt I went on like You keep telling me that you keep making it seem like these people are in like there's no proof. There's no proof of that. I'm like open your eyes how is it? The other people that I think we tell the story to can come up? With the same subject come up with the same assumption that this was a plan for murder. Then no one just plants these kinds of seeds and like, yes, we understand but we don't have the evidence. Somebody will then stop making it sound like they're innocent and they told we have to be neutral and I'm like, but they weren't like if this was a terrorist, it would be a completely different story and it's Not You know it. It would just I don't know. But it's it's. been. A lot of they don't have anything. Nothing and you know I always thought that the army was drill sergeants that that's how life was that they were constantly getting yelled at that they did something wrong they would-be Yoga and just it would be bad bad cop the whole way but apparently, it hasn't been. So you know they weren't bad poplin. They interrogated them they've you know given their sworn statements and later has found other holes in them and then do they even you'll? Know, they're not afraid they feel like they can get away with it because no one's doing anything know who's in charge of handling this investigation the cad has taken the case. Okay. Now is there a specific contact? The anything about this? Thank you mean they to give any tips? Yes. Yes. So the tip line is www dot keet three dips dot. com. Their phone number, there is a phone number is. Nine, one, zero, three, nine, six, eighty, seven, seventy, seven. So let me ask you give me your theory would happen. I think that one of them is upset with my brother I say, maybe not one of a maybe a handful of them didn't like my brother maybe for whatever reason I don't know what the reason would be. Honestly, my brother honestly is a great person. The only thing about him is maybe he said something rude or something like that. But my brother is a pretty understanding I if you don't like me then I won't hang out with you simple as that I think someone either jealous of. His success I I don't know jealous of his life because everybody loves him. Everybody laughed with him. Everybody had a good time with him I. think some almost jealous someone or some people were jealous I. think that they brought everyone else into this for whatever reason you know they were there. So now you have to help me get in trouble too and we have to keep quiet They really did think that we're going to get away with it 'cause they cut him up, they dismembered him. And threw him in the ocean and they sincerely thought that they were going to get away with it. They planted the whole. He's suicidal thing and then nine one, one call in hopes that no one would suspect that it was murdering that if he just disappeared and they never find him because he kills himself, they just didn't realize that my brother even after death was gonNa Move GonNa get was Gonna find his way home and not let them get away with it. I don't think they will I don't think. So I, think that they'll figure this out. This isn't gonNA. Go on. Salt. because. Right, now, I, mean you've got a congressman pushing for you and you've got all these Fort Hood soldiers and you've got other ones at Fort Bragg, and then you have the death of Vanessa Gillian and the death of Gregory Morales. People all these soldiers being murdered. There's just too much attention. There's too much media they're congress people getting involved even the president's trying to get involved he got involved with Vanessa Gillingham's case I mean. People are wanting to know what's going on and they're demanding answers and that's what's going to happen I think with this case, people are going to demand that the some one of these soldiers or more more than one of them whatever tall tells, what happened I just hope that they think that because the whole code of silence. That they can get away with it, you know in a way I'll be honest me and my mom have speculated that maybe a higher up even had them do it. They're all the same rank there's no reason that. They should have done this to my brother. They probably told him hey, go you know dispose of him and we'll cover it up for you because if me and my mom hadn't been so vocal about it, I feel like that's what would have happened and now that they've been gaining a lot of media attention, they've been working a little bit harder on it again, there are pressing. They're not pressing it but I, we don't want them to forget. We don't want people to forget we WANNA keep them answer even if it's the same, we don't have anything but they they know that they're under the spotlight and they need to figure it out. You know. But me and my mom had speculated that there's probably higher up my brother was very vocal against sexual harassment. For Women and brother was just that kind of person like that's why you know when we go to the rallies for Vanessa Gi and I told them, my would be here right now four her when he was younger, he defended a friend that was you know getting rate in the high school bathroom by a bunch of other boys and no one did anything and he tried to. Help her try to make her go to the police but ultimately, she like just leave it alone and she just transfer schools and I know till this day bothered him. But he was that person I wouldn't be surprised if he did want to speak out against something that he thought was terribly wrong in the army I just know he would have been really discreet about it. He would. I know he would have handled differently. But if someone knew that he knew something whether it was sexual harassment or just some secret, I, they just wanted him gone so that their dirty little secret wouldn't come out you know something that makes absolute sense I didn't even think about that. You're right. Since he was an hr if you have a sexual harassment type complaint, you're going to go to somebody in HR. It's a possibility that somebody went to your brother and confided in him and your brother started looking into it, and if this harassment was from higher up, maybe an officer, you know senior officer or a high-ranking Sergeant no, you just be don't know or maybe out that someone die and he knew who was responsible and was you know my brother was just that person he stands up for people is just end up from self he stands up for people. So that's what me and my mom have speculated. It just doesn't like I said, it just doesn't make sense that seven of them would go and do this without having some sort of protection, right? Let me. Ask you this last question. For anybody out there listening to this, if they know anything if one of these seven soldiers said something. To a family member or friend And they know something. What would you say to that person I would implore them tell them to tell of their friend or family member because. They've hurt my family more than anything and just because you're hiding them. You're abusing you're protecting them. They. You know I believe in Karma I believe in God I believe in that it, they will get what's coming to them and. They're just they're not protecting them. They're only hurting them more, and if this is something because they're sti- KOPAT, they're gonNA keep doing it. And it's not just blood on those people's hands on them to ping their silence and same for the unit. There is no honor in silence that code needs to be broken because there is no honor in that there is no there's nothing that comes out of it. These people. will do it again is they can get away with it once you'll do it again. And it might be them next time and might be the people who know next time because they know. So they might as well just speak up. Lock them up so that they can never hurt anyone again. And that concludes the story of. Rome in. Martinez. Do you know anything about his death? Griselda her older sister and their mother are devastated by this young man's death. Resell couldn't wait to share her home with her brother and help him start his career, her dreams of helping her little brother and on a beach in North Carolina. Who Killed The twenty, one year old soldier. Ricky had a lot to live for. He will never become a father a grandfather or be able to possibly give away one of the sisters at their future weddings. If you have any information about this case, please leave a tip with the US Army see ID at www dot p. three tips, dot com or call one of these two numbers two, five, four, four, nine, five, seven, seven, six, seven, or nine, one, zero, three, nine, six, eight, seven, seven, seven. There is also a substantial reward for any information leading detaching and wreak as killer. 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08-15-19 NASCAR America Motorsports Hour

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50:13 min | 1 year ago

08-15-19 NASCAR America Motorsports Hour

"<music> welcome to the motorsports our with nate ryan a._j. Almond dinner will be joining us in just a bit but we i begin tonight with breaking news a plane carrying dale earnhardt are junior crashed while landing at an airport in elizabeth tin tennessee. The elizabeth ten municipal airport is fourteen miles southeast of bristol motor speedway nate. What's the latest i christa. I spoke with mike davis who handles communications at junior motor sports. This is what we know. Five people were on the plane dale earnhardt jr. his wife amy and their your daughter isla along with two pilots everyone on board survived and you can see the photo right. There of the plane crash and dale junior was taken to the hospital a local hospital scroll for further evaluation. Well the images photos certainly scary. Do we know what happened. We do have a statement from the f._a._a. That was provided to diane gallagher at c._n._n. N n she tweeted it out and that statement reads a cessna citation rolled off the end of runway twenty four and caught fire after landing at elizabeth municipal airport court and tennessee at three forty pm today well again <hes> dale earnhardt jr. plane crashing while landing in tennessee he has been taken as nate said to the hospital hospital. We will continue to bring you information. If we receive any in any additional information we'll update you later on in this program and you can continue to follow this story at n._b._c. Sports dot com and but we are so thankful that it appears everyone is okay and we'll be right back. In august all got all the way up five win at bristol crap to contain dixit wiggles too rosenquist on his gearbox into the dog awesome awesome matt was awesome hair to it's thursday that means this is the motorsports our no parker today nate ryan where he said is here a._j. Almoner in the regular seat like he always is and the action has already begun in bristow. We're gonna head to the track to check in with jeff burton kyle petty in just a bit but as you just saw a busy weekend i mean racing cars selling cars. A little bit of everything here is the road ahead yeah motocross and budd's creek of course we got nascar at bristol indycar car at pocono and let's not forget mecum auctions <hes> no question. It's going to be a big weekend for more mecum coverage for you tonight. At six eastern. Meanwhile nascar is back in bristol. Aware to siblings stole the show in the spring. The tube drivers here in bristol motor speedway battling for the victory kyle busch leads brother kurt the last single carling kyle busch is going to come down to the checkered flag when you give him a lead late you given given the junkyard dog upon. It's going to be pretty tough to take it away. Overstep the cars limits and turn one for like three to go otherwise i was going to recommend three and four come take the chequered the reverse okay so we kind of have a theme going when every go to bristol. You have to consider the bush brothers but based on what they did last year. They really dominated you there. Okay if you're into that type of thing it's we. We see kyle busch. He's kind of the last couple of races there at times. I mean i think last year's race 'cause i was driving out of the race track in the same wreck that he was involved in because i was done he he was like three or four laps down and actually know by the time i get home. He's battling for the win so cowboys. You can never count them out. Whether the car looks perfect or it's destroyed he knows how to get get up there and we'll at around bristol and kurt busch always so quiet during the race it seems like but knows how to put himself in position and when it's time to get up on the wheel we saw last year and we saw earlier this year trying to go after his brother that when it's time in the closing stages last ten laps if he's got a chance to win kurt busch will usually find a way to go win a race kyle involved in a couple of wrecks the last time crystal a._j. One the one you mentioned early gothic fell a lap down but then toward the end he actually wreck martin tricks junior when they're battling for true for for second with about twenty or thirty laps to go the last time here i think he was most worried about getting wrecked by his brother as we just heard about but that was a great one to finish much like the one at kentucky a a few weeks ago where the rules are reversed curt ones so i think we could see another brotherly bush battle when you say those numbers i mean fourteen wins at this race track between them. I mean they're drivers. I mean you would just hope for one win for these guys this one family to have fourteen wins. It's really incredible and aga khan explained. It's not like it's the easiest track in the world either. No it really isn't but but this is the race track. That doesn't change a lot over the years yeah they've added attraction compound at times and the lanes either been on bomber moves to the top but as a whole the track just doesn't doesn't change much so if you feel around this place you know what you want to race car from the first time you get on it in practice and this is what kurt and kyle both have. They have a feel for bristol. They know exactly how the car supposed to feel. They know how it's supposed to feel at the star practice in say you know what even if it's not perfect knowing that by the time we dropped the green saturday night right. It's going to be the right car vice versa. If they're a little bit off. They know how to fix it so these just because nate doesn't change a lot. I think that's why they know every year how they want the race car to go in from practice all the way through qualifying into the race and what strikes me as that they've been so good since the outset. I mean kurt one. I think four or five times in the two thousands thousands right after his rookie season he was immediately winning at this place and kyle also of just as just taken to it and they really i think enters is possibly the co favorites for this weekend and anytime you see bristol on the calendar that would be the big story line the bush brothers heading in <hes> but it does seem a little strange to talk about anything but the breaking news that we just brought you on the air with the fact that dale earnhardt jr junior's plane crashed about fourteen miles southeast of the race track <hes> kyle petty and jeff burton are at bristol motor speedway canaan series the truck series racing there today so i know it's loud kyle but we want to get your guys thoughts on that news. If there's anything you're hearing on the story no you all. We're hearing what you guys are hearing and i'll say this when jeff when jeff came up and we heard the news about junior first and foremost he's our friend. He's a friend. We were concerned about him as a friend as a teammate but i gotta be honest. It sent chills up my spine because twenty six years ago. I was sitting in a hotel room here. When i got the news about alan quickies plane crash here so you know i it just brought back a lot a lot of memories but i will say this. We were so thankful so thankful the and everybody in the family as as fine and everything appears to be good at this point time. It's really hard to hear. I can't i cannot your word you. You can't blame listen. These things are scary especially in this area after after the allen kooky stuff in this area and the main thing is that we're hearing that they're okay and many times we travel fly around the country. You know we're fortunate that that this sounds like a really good outcome but it's scary. It's scary for everybody sure well. We do want to get your take because we do here. Racecars zooming around behind you wanna get your take on the weekend. We've we've been talking a little bit. They've been talking about the bush brothers. I assume you guys have some some drivers. You wanna talk about as well you go. I do listen. I i'm gonna follow gentleness so joey logano and delete any ham. If i wanna talk about an for two different reasons they didn't hamlin's moving in the right direction. Just didn't he hamlin sport most points of anybody since chicago. They've been running well. I think they'd score the most points in the last three races combined wise so the hammer and his team are really although not leading every lap not doing that kind of thing but showing that consistent speed and i think that's what it's going to take the roles i play offs and then joined the gano not so much joy the gone on his team. They're kind of going the other way and they're going to need to get it together but the reason i brought those two guys up is because this is a racetrack that they're both very good on and they can right this ship here yeah. They can't and listen last week. Joey logano before the race started said probably be one of the worst cars i've ever had in practice. They threw the kitchen sink at it and had a competitive car race that bodes well for the team but they've got to be ready on friday. They've got it'll be ready on saturday to compete and win races so i agree. I think they're just kind of stagnant or not really making any progress but as you say dini here's a team where dini said a few weeks ago. He thought they were one of the top two or three teams in the garage area and over the last five or six weeks they've shown they are one of the top two or three teams yes. They're not bust the door down winning all the races. They're not leading all the laps but they've got those solid finishes and they're positioning themselves. Get to the play offs to challenge for the championship. Yeah i think the other thing too. I think you know about the bush brothers i i don't nobody talks about kyle. All the time but kurt is very hungry. Three i think wants to prove to the world that he can win a championship and listen i think he started listening about his brother right. He's heard about his brother so many years and his brothers great like everybody should be talking about his brother but you know he's gotten a little tired of that. I think and i think he feels rejuvenated at nasty and i think once you get to the first first round in the playoffs. I really got to watch that team because i think he's gonna be out there on keelboat. He's going to be out there to prove a point and kurt busch was trying to prove a point can make stuff happened yeah great great analogy because <hes> our analysts because i think looking at kurt busch he's trying to he has the point he came to that team and i think instantly almost he became the number one driver. He became the lead driver echinacea. I think he bought it over kyle larson. I know larson's future sure but i think he voted over and i think he has a team after he beats his brother the joy in his face the excitement that he had that that was a breath of fresh air. That's kurt busch vote. That's kurt busch when we first saw him. He's hungry. He wants to do good. He wants to win and i think when you back kurt busch oceana corner and you put a challenge in front. He's a dangerous man. He loves it. They both do that. S you know as a competitor always were mad at him because they didn't care distractions. Distractions meant nothing to do and i'm like you know how do they do that and he was jealous of him. Because how do they do that and i swear the more pressure you put on the home. The more outside distracts you put on them. It doesn't matter they just go to the racetrack and perform the more pressures for those guests dial. How how big of a weekend do you think that for. Somebody like clint boyer. That's historically been pretty good at this racetrack and we've just seen the downslide that he's having right on the edge of the play offs. You think that this is probably the biggest weekend that he will have this season. I think clint was motormouth yesterday and i think he tried to slip if at all but that pressure is there i think we saw last week with the interview after the accident and he came out of the infield care center he was really speechless. He didn't know what to to say. I think the pressure on clint to turn that team around especially with kevin win and the way it's going and listen. It's been in his grasp. He was thirty or forty points to the good good last week then gets in an accident and ends up he still above but they gotta turn something around and i think he had a great statement last week. We just got to be competitive weekend. A week out out. Forget the play offs. I know he's not forgetting but we need to establish ourselves as his team and he's made comments will tony have me back next year. That's a big statement by clint clint bowyer all right well. If you guys can still here by the end of this hour. We're going to continue to come back to you. It's truck qualifying going on behind the guys. I know they're both excited for tonight's truck series race reminder to the fans the truck series playoffs actually begin with this race tonight. We're going to have more from bristol motor speedway more from here in the studio in charlotte and of course more on today's breaking news the plane crash feel earnhardt jr. coming up <music> welcome back to the motor sports our and <hes> we turn again to our breaking news today <hes> if you're just joining us a plane carrying dale earnhardt jr. crashed while landing at an airport in elizabethtown tennessee. Let's see the elizabeth ten. Municipal airport is fourteen miles southeast of bristol motor speedway bristol motor speedway the site of this weekend's nascar races jeff burton and and kyle petty are at the track as we speak and if you guys can sort of elaborate for fans at home the fact that that flying to that area elizabeth tin. I don't know if it's an airport support. You guys have landed at but just the way that this sport the way nascar travels every every team pretty much every team of you know driver's nascar themselves and the only way to do this as air travel. It's the only way to do it and in most cases yo. It's private air travel because it's impossible oughta. Do it flying commercial. Every single week with the schedule is that everybody keeps so <hes> you know it's just it's just how it is. There's no really no other way and for the most part he's talking about how many hours and many times wheels have gone up and down. It's proven to be relatively safe incredibly safe really when you look at it and and i think what we lose sight of sometimes as we travel and we joke about it and call it a traveling circus but we all travel together. I mean the gibbs was teams will be four teams on one plane are two teams on one plane. Drivers all travel together team members all travel together nascar officials all travel together. We've been so very very a blast in this sport from flan to california and back to michigan and back to daytona and back think about the hours that those truck drivers spin on the on the highway think about about the hours that the team members spin in the air flying different places. It's the only way that we can get where we're going do the job we're doing for the fans do the job we're doing for the sponsors and do it in a safe and efficient manner and we've been very very blessed to the years because it's been this way david pearson had airplanes kill yarborough had airplanes the elliott elliott brothers had airplanes it goes back thirty forty fifty years people have flown to races this way and when we look at the small very small minute number of accidents accidents that we've had and the tallies that we've had it's been a very very blessed way to travel. We're very fortunate that so far the reports were hearing are all oh good but at the same time i think it's a wake up call that this is how we get there and what we do is not the safest thing in the world sometimes against some images that are coming out out of the of the tennessee area there where the crash occurred and a reminder yes the sport travels with private planes not always at the commercial airports normally at a fixed base operator on any given race weekend. You'll see the line of those planes. The team planes lined up but native. You could give us the latest on what you're hearing. We also had a tweet from kelley earnhardt miller. Ah dale's sister that we can put up here and kelly says that we can confirm that veil amy in iowa along with his two pilots were involved in the crash and that everyone is safe taken to the hospital as i told you earlier mike davis director of communications at junior motorsports says they'll junior was taken to the hospital for further evaluation so again. It's still early in this process of gathering information but report so far seem to be that everybody was okay and of course everyone did survive that crash and like earlier in the show kyle and jeff talked about. I mean juniors is is our friend our colleague so obviously as soon as we heard the news. We were all pretty scared. <hes> hopefully the reports that we're getting continue to be good. Yeah i mean it's you talk about how the travelling circus joke i mean. We're a family everybody whether your driver's crew members media were all family together and we have our ups and downs whether whether we're combat competitors or just media in general but in general everybody is family and when you see something like this i mean it's it is scary because we all have to do that. I mean this is part of our job. We all have to fly everywhere that we go and <hes> you know. It's kyle's right like it. It's very mini any school compared to like how many times we fly that something like this does happen but when something like this actually occurs. It scares all of us so fortunately so far knock on wood. Everybody seems to be okay but just just thinking of everybody. Kyle said it well that it sends a chill up your spine because the alan quickey wicky crash of course was at bristol twenty six years ago and there was that hendrick plane crash ten people perish including some some team members that happened at martinsville two thousand four four. Thankfully that didn't happen in this instance. We have this statement as well from the f._a._a. In which they told us what happened to the plane that was carrying deal junior and his family a cessna citation rolled off the end of runway twenty four and caught fire after landing at elizabeth municipal airport in tennessee at three forty pm today and again again. No injuries were reported the f._a._a. So good news on that front okay and i know we have talked last night said with mike davis who is the communications manager and getting the info right from tom junior motor sports and will continue to to keep you updated. Let's go back to the race track again. Kyle petty and jeff burton are at bristol motor speedway. We have kayan series racing seeing the truck series beginning its playoffs. This evening. Sounds like truck. Qualifying is over. We can hear you well. Hopefully you can hear us as we continue to cover this story jeff jeff. I've never been so happy for all sit so loud down here and i can actually hear you now krista so yeah you know this weekend weekend starts off big race here a little bit <hes> their their season has come into the trucks kickoff there playoffs tonight of course the race tomorrow and then the cup race saturday and and and you know this is this is an awesome racetrack. I mean it's so fun just watching cars in practice. They run around by themselves as crazy how hard the drivers are working. It's intense. I mean it's really intense. The track has changed a little bit. They they've worked on the top roof to get that rubber out of the race track trying to get this bottom groove to be better and and it'll be interesting to see tonight. I think all the expenditure drivers drivers are gonna be watching that truck race tonight to see if that line moves up to the wall. There is some thoughts. Maybe it's not gonna move up like we've seen a move up in the past. Somebody's going to be enough to go find out but it'll be interesting to see how the track is different this time versus now. It's been the last say six or seven in years yeah. It's it's really going to be interesting truck race with you and i were doing doing the second the final xfinity practice and i think john hundred nemechek went up there and we call him a tire donor because he was just up there riding around at sixteen and a half seventeen second laps what make an anytime was just up there around and round because there's no grip up there and we saw we've we've seen guys get out of the groove and there's just nothing there if it comes in and it's the bristol of oh. It's going to be a fantastic week because there's so much going on so much at stake in the truck series tonight starting their playoffs. We've got the affinity series but the cup she's would the bubble drivers and then the regular season championship on the line. Both ends of that spectrum both ends for those sixteen spots for the playoffs are at stake right here as far as am either regular season champion are do i make the playoffs so there's just a lot of stuff going on bristol sologne top of that so so what if it doesn't ever come in the middle and the top never come in and even the say the bottom is the preferred lane for three quarters of of the cup race and the only way to pass is how you do that. You got to move somebody out of the way so imagine agean if we have that if that happens listen. There's a lot of unknowns here this weekend. It really is and we can say that every week but when i came here and i looked at that top groove i'm like sums different like that is something different and then i window investigation and sure enough. They've changed what they did all that talk so our investigative reporters. I just qualified you guys are investigative reporters. We might be in trouble but glad that they can hear us now. That qualifying talking has ended a course <hes> nascar the sport the race weekend. That's everyone's livelihood in this sport but something much bigger much more important this this weekend and today <hes> again end resetting the news for you a plane carrying dale earnhardt jr. his wife amy daughter isla crashing fourteen miles southeast of the bristol motor speedway at the elizabeth to municipal airport. Dale has been taken to the hospital for further evaluation. All passengers including two pilots have survived this crash. We will continue to bring you the latest here on nascar asker america when we return <music> welcome into the motorsports our with a._j. Almond dinger and nate ryan. It's a thursday we would normally be talking all about the racing but racing at bristol motor speedway taking a back seat today to the breaking news that happened less than two hours ago about three forty p._m. Eastern time <hes> a plane carrying dale earnhardt jr. his wife amy and their daughter isla crashing about fourteen miles southeast of bristol motor speedway. We do have some new video coming in from the different local stations that are in that area <hes> again. All passengers on board including two pilots have survived. We have been told from mike davis the communications manager with junior motorsports sports. That dale has been taken to a local hospital to be evaluated. You see the e._m._s. Workers <hes> attending to dale there at the site again elizabeth ten municipal airport <hes> in the vicinity of bristol motor speedway where nascar is the races are taking place this weekend but as we continue to get what we hope hope is is good news again. All passengers have survived. It seems like whatever injuries that. Maybe we can't speculate but nothing seems to be coming in as critical again as you mentioned krista. Mike davis communications manager at junior motorsport said the dell junior was taken to the hospital for further evaluation. I think we could see in that new video. We just got that he was being attended to by e._m._s. workers but certainly in that video he appears to be very wake very alert. He's talking to them so i think it's fair to say david. He has no major injuries based off this video and again this just happening a._j. <hes> you know we were in the in the i guess our office here and getting ready talk talking motocross. We're talking to indycar kinda developing stories for the show today when this news came in and it sorta shut everything down yeah just it's it's part of our family family as a racing community junior family. I mean we're everybody's in this together and when you have something like this happen it just kind of puts a shock doc to your system and get scared initially and then you start at least hearing that it's possible is good news is it can be and and that everybody seems to be okay but you see these images. I mean it's just it's a little bit frightening. It's a little bit haunting of thankfully they were obviously out of the plane already <music> as that as that kind of happened but yeah for sure it just puts a hold on everything and you know let's we get so so focused on racing sometimes because it is life and especially in nascar. I mean you limit you. Eat it. You sleep it. I mean sometimes sometimes. You have nightmares about it. Sometimes you have good dreams about it but it just kind of takes over your life and then something like this happens and shuts it all down. He just realized you know what it's it's just racing cars like we're not. We're not doing anything major here so you know we're just keep hoping that more good news keeps coming in and thankfully fully we have we have a lot of people that we trust and that our family members of of the junior family and as you said mike davis had are in close communications works for dale junior so <hes> all the news hopefully keeps coming in that is good news and it's just <hes> make everybody take a step back for me and i think as you said age it's great that the initial reports have been so positive because there has been a history of aviation tragedies in nascar whether it was again that the hendrick plane crash in october uber of two thousand four near martinsville speedway that killed ten people including rick hendrick son his brother the engine builder for that team and that was a devastating overstating loss that the nascar community really really wrestled with and was grieving for for months and years and many to this day and cow petty mentioned it earlier earlier. Allan quickey dying in a plane crash on his way to bristol motor speedway probably not far from where this plane crash was with dale jr. today. There's a lot there to process. I think for the nascar community again because they've had to deal with these types of tragedies before and we did here and i know it's kind of their on on your screen the f._a._a. Statement matt sang as we saw and you get to the point. It looks like everyone was out before those. Those images got that graphic that that the plane i guess sort of skit it offers or rolled off the runway. Yeah certainly the thing we've got in terms of information is that everyone got off the plane safely all five people the two pilots junior his wife amy and their daughter isla so again good news on that front but when i see that fireball i mean i think of when i bill junior i think of the fireball from the sports car crash at cinema fifteen years ago. Oh that's immediately what i think of. When i see that plane crash in that fire <hes> he's been he's racecar driver. He's he's lived this entire higher life on the edge of danger and unfortunately today was another instance in which he certainly i think it's fair to say had a brush with death and and was able to walk away and we're all very very thankful for that and their daughter isla <hes> i'm doing the math correctly about fifteen months old just a little over a year <hes> his wife amy traveling with with him appears to to bristol speedway race weekend so i wanna bring kyle petty and jeff burton back into the conversation. They are at the race track and have been there all all day and kyle. We just talking about how logistically a._j. Nate and i were sitting here at the charlotte studios and you know the office space well how a conversation can happen around on that table and all of a sudden it goes silent <hes> when you guys there at the race track heard the news or started seeing it. Come across on your phone. What was sort of the feedback for. Maybe the people around you or the truck series community. That's racing there tonight. I'm not sure that the truck guys it's kinda filtered probably into those guys because they were right in the middle of qualifying about the time we started and less than i can only i can only speak for me and for me it was was it was a shock and i say it because i go back to davies crash at talladega and the helicopter setting in a hotel room here the saddest addis moment one of the saddest moments i've ever had a racetrack was watching quickies truck right around this racetrack to leave and just pull out of here and it it just it's a wake up call. It's a wake up call when we get people hurt at the race track whether it's on pit road crew member. It doesn't make any difference. It's it's a wake-up call to this family and when i say family i mean the motor sports family the auto racing family in this country whether it's drag racing whether sprint cars cars it doesn't make any difference we grieve the short tracks. We grieve the drag strip's. We grieve the big tracks. That's the way it is and when one of your own and we talk about dell junior junior nation out there too. We talk about that all the time but he's a team member. He's a family member. He's a friend more than anything else and i think <hes> <hes> for me it you just kinda. Go inside man and i don't wanna make more about this than than than it is because obviously we don't know everything that's what's going on but it struck a major chord with me because it brought back davey allison brokeback allen quickey to me as soon as i saw it on twitter yeah listen i i think it's a reminder to everybody you know that you know the personalities of the sport or any sport or any and are people they're human beings and and you know sometimes the stuff that happens on this these phones. You know how people making comments about people and you know this is. This is an awakening. I think should be for everybody like why. Can't we be a little each other. You know what i mean because i can promise you dell junior was thinking about coming here. He was thinking about the race tomorrow. Saying about the cup race on saturday night he was thinking about how am i gonna do the best job possible not a thought in his mind or thought none of our minds at anyone traveling the other day and have some kind of problem him and you know it's they'll juniors are sport's biggest personality right but he's person but he's a person and and you know why. Why don't we all why don't we all realize that we never know what's going to happen and treats each other with a little more respect. It'd be you know everybody's life would be a little bit easier. I i it's it's funny because all week we've talked about. Let's go to bristol as they're going to be any retaliation from from watkins glen. What's it gonna come down to. Is somebody going to knock somebody out of the way or we're gonna have words and it seems it's funny. How in the blink of an eye that takes a back seat to everything because life rears its head and it's all about life. It's it's not about the show that we put on what the sport is listen. You know they'll really don't want us talking about him right now. You know what i mean. That's how he is. I mean i know he. He is our biggest personality but he does his best to shy away from that but but again. I think this is a reminder to everybody and everyday life. 'cause you never know when you wake up in the morning. What's going to happen. Take a little time to reach out to people and tell them what you think of them in a good way and and you know what i mean it's it's it's i. I woke up this morning. The only on my mind this morning was airs instruc- race and our arab eric's finnerty and eric shows and this and this show that's the only we're not gonna world right and sometimes actually not the most important thing in the world. I know when we when the show's over and we walked through the garage area here and talk to the guys with the k n n series and talk to the two teams cayenne and talk to the truck series that that's going to be the main topic of conversation krista yeah absolutely a wakeup call indeed. I love what jeff said treat people with with. Maybe kindness this. Maybe it's not just a a wake-up call to a bigger picture for sure keeping things in perspective and we'll continue to keep if you updated a again if you're just joining us a plane carrying dale earnhardt jr. his family. I'm two pilots crashing. Just southeast of the bristol motor speedway <hes> all passengers have survived <hes> we have heard that has been taken to the hospital to be evaluated but <hes> as we say that the reports coming in like you said as positive as they can be when you see the images like that we will continue to bring you more on this story and more when we come back <music> welcome back to nascar motorsports. Our about fifteen minutes left in the show. We continue can you to bring you today's breaking news about three forty p m a plane carrying dale earnhardt jr. his wife amy their daughter isla crashing southeast of bristol motor her speedway nate ryan nigger here on the show today and they all the reports were hearing <hes> first of all passengers on board including the pilots surviving but the deal was taken to the hospital title for evaluation of the hospital for further evaluation according to junior motor sports communications director mike davis krista and we saw that video that we rolled last time where it show dale jr. certainly awake alert and communicating with the e._m._s. officials that were attending to him. I'm struck by all of the wave of a concern poured in. We're seeing it on social media from other drivers. We just heard kyle petty talk about as soon as the show is over. I'm sure many people are asking him jeff jeff burton what they know and i think that speaks to the fact that yes donor juniors of fifteen time most popular driver very well thought of in the nascar community very affable wolf very approachable and and everybody is concerned about him but i think there's also concern because i mean we are talking about a racing family that is so famous that has already been touched by tragedy before with his seven time champion father being killed in two thousand one daytona five hundred so i'm sure that members of the nascar community when they a seat the reports and where they see the pictures like that that's their media concern is for the earnhardt family for sure i mean in because dale jr. so popular me feel like in it hits the world news a lot a lot more than anybody else but you know it comes back to that no matter who it is. It's a part of our family and that's that's something that we always have to focus on because of of what this racing community is and and i think it's you know even more skier. That is a genus whole family his wife daughter the you know. The pilots were on the plane but fortunately as more reports are rolling in you. You never want to speculate but it seems like everything that is being said is that it's more just cuts and abrasions and and that's what they're kind of taking care of even though it's it's you don't want to say that that's it but it's all positive is can be and it's it's just i. It keeps going back to like jeff. Burton said it just makes you step back and say you know maybe i'll just need to be a little little kinder little nicer to each other because something like this at any moment calment could happen. We've all dealt with tragedy before and it's just something that we don't wanna have to talk about and it's this. It's our family and we you know for me. It's it's tough because you just you see images like this and it just kind of puts a shock and i it's it's it's hard to put in a word a little bit so fortunately hopefully it just keeps getting good news coming from this and they as we we look at these images. I think that's what is so. We're all sort of taken aback because these images look awful and we do have that report from the f._a._a. That hopefully makes it. <hes> allows us to know that the the everyone's able to get off before these scott right this grim. The statement said no injuries reported to the f._a._a. And again the cause for <hes> the accident the fire at a cessna citation rolling off the end of the runway there at elizabethtown municipal airport in tennessee and we heard we've been talking about it but again aviation tragedies or are unfortunately not new to nascar had this experience before where there was quickey dying or or the hendrick plane crash fifteen years go or as kyle mentioned davey allison was critically injured and eventually died after a helicopter crash at talladega so again i think there is hypersensitivity to any sort of accident involving a plane and nascar driver but thankfully the initial reports seem to be that everyone survived and hopefully everyone was ok. Well and this news has now obviously reached national national news platforms but it touches obviously are nascar community very hard and you see a lotta drivers reaching out on social media them with their thoughts. There's clinton boyer. Alex bowman took over the a._d._a. Car dealer during hard junior's car and of course jimmy johnson the seven time champ <hes> so we'll continue to to bring any updates we can our continuing to work with the n._b._c. affiliate in the bristol area w. c. y. b. I know they have spoken with you. Know carter county sheriff's <hes> the police chiefs everyone that was on site to bring the latest and we'll continue to have those updates on n._b._c. sports dot com of course we're going to the bristol motor speedway <hes> this weekend. We know that will be of course one of the if not the big headline going into. This is going to be talked about it. We just saw right there. Krista both alex bowman and jimmy jimmy johnson of course try for hendrick motorsports. Jimmy was jailed dill juniors teammate at hendrick and as you said alex bowman took over for dale junior and again hendrick really has had unfortunately first first hand experience with what happens when there's a plane crash involving a team plane and that was the hendrick motorsports plane in october two thousand four. It's way to martinsville speedway race morning and rick hendrick's brother his son the team's engine builder to have rick kendricks nieces all died in that crash and there was actually another crash involving rick hendrick about i think five or six years later in key west florida and thankfully he and his wife on the plane they were okay but i can recall the reaction in being similar to what we just saw on social media again. There's a hypersensitivity to any sort of incident involving planes and especially when it's hendrick member or anybody anybody such as dale jr. obviously touches so many people in the nascar and there is a group onsite motor racing outreach who does so much with the nascar community. We know a lot of people be reaching out to them this weekend and just to kind of make those kind words and that kind of hand on the shoulder and we know monte and miss melanie. We'll we'll be busy of course <hes>. The kids are singing the national anthem the twenty year anniversary for tomorrow so kind donovan a big picture. I think everyone's going to sort of rally around <hes> that nascar community this weekend again dale earnhardt jr. is <hes> is okay as far as no critical injuries his wife amy in iowa have all were all able to get off the plane that crashed in tennessee today. We will have the latest wrap things up from here in our charlotte studio now when we come back it's not the way we had hoped to bring you news here on the motor sports our continuing to cover today's breaking news steeler nhar juniors plane carrying himself his wife amy their daughter isla landing at elizabethtown municipal airport fourteen miles southeast of bristol motor speedway catching fire everyone it has survived saved including two pilots dale was attended to by e._m._s. workers on site and was then taken to a local hospital to be evaluated. <hes> we have just received achieved an interview from our n._b._c. affiliate in the area w. c. y. B. with elizabeth and fire chief berry carrier. Let's bring that to you now. I arrive in the unit was between two and three minutes out. When he arrived deputy chief he saw heavy flames coming from the plane and the passengers were already <music> out standing in front of the plane so they were able to get out fairly quickly then it looks like they were able to get out fairly quickly and under their own power you're looking at here. We're two hours plus since that happened and still a very active scene talk about what's going on here right now what your men and women are still doing well. The first first thing had to do was extinguished to make sure that the patients were okay. They were transported non-emergency to the local hospital then they make sure that the fire was extinguished but we still have a large fuel spill that <hes> conducted itself through we've some underground pop and it's burning under there. We can't make aksu suit access to it really well so right now. We're just letting that part burn and soon as that burns off. We've got a process where protecting check in the environment. We've got some dock and material in place near the pond where the rent office going so. We're protecting the environment but we're having to let to see just kind of take care of itself for probably the next couple of hours and if you're in the area here there's a very strong smell it. It almost smells kind of like charcoal burning on a grill or something but it's is obviously not folks going to be dealing with that for awhile. I imagine probably next couple of hours any environmental concerns you mentioned that run off and where that water does to you. You've got the dykes setup but we do have it doc set up and we don't think it's getting into the the water stream at this point in time. How much fuel are we talking about. I don't know exact amount but i know no. It's over a thousand gallons. What what is the moving forward here. I know we're going to be here for a while. Obviously what do you anticipate that time looking like well. Our goes to get the the highway opened back in the airport opened back but until the fire is out. We're not going to be able to do that. We gotta make sure that the senior safe so that's our goal we we gotta make sure the c._d. Safe and then get the <hes>. The roadway open and the airport opened but we still have to protect evidence that we have for the f._a._a. Okay a. investigators are probably be here in the morning. You know one of the things that <hes> we her to was your crews. Were on scene in two three minutes a how close this is this in reference to your fire station <hes>. I'm going to say two miles. You're able to be here very quickly now. Obviously this is a busy road. A lot folks travel this every day just going back and forth home. What are what are. They need to be doing not only today but i guess tomorrow morning as well well. The main thing is to be patient with us because we're we're. We're doing the best we can to get the roadway and back up. That's going to take some time if he don't live up here. Please don't come up here because the people that do live up here. They're they're her suffered with traffic congestion. 'cause we had to reroute that so that's the best thing they could do is be patient and don't come up here and become part of the problem. They'll have to and that's basically telling folks that are hearing. You know that's juniors playing wanting to come and see that don't don't come. Try to take that picture please. Don't there'll be plenty of pictures. I'm sure in the media uh when the time comes to when you arrived on scene you said that the passengers were in front of the plane outside of the plane <hes>. Did they talk to anyone were they. Were they talking talking to e._m._s. Providers that were administering first state who was first on scene here. I know you had your deputy chief was here i got here. Well well the other than the fire. Department don't know the deputy chief was the first one on sing for the fire department and have you been able to talk to any of them to see how they're talk to them about anything. We've been constant contact and we've been keeping track of what's happening on the accuracy so our guys are doing good. It's hot out ear. It's going to be out here for a while so <hes>. We're rehabbing those as we need to. What's left up here. We we've seen parts of. It is very much of the plane left. Most of the front end is from the wings forward. One of the things that we talked about too is seeing the pictures of those that plane in on fire. It's remarkable that no one was injured. It is remarkable and i think that <hes> the passengers and pilots very lucky and you know they probably just use good judgment and common sense and and helped herself in a time when they really needed to chief. Obviously you prepare for stuff like this hoping to never use it but the talk about you know you. You guys have handled this very well. It appears alex the the firemen lose benner topnotch <hes> at best round. I'm proud of every single one thanks so much and again that is fire chief from elizabeth in tennessee <hes> fire chief berry carrier speaking with <hes> affiliates w. c. y. B. r. n._b._c. affiliate. They're in the area and nate from your news background. I mean we've got a lot of information there. Especially i think what jumped out as as they arrived sounds like dale amy and isla were already off the plane yeah and i think also at the very end of that interview when he said that there was virtually nothing left to the plane except from the wings forward and he said it is remarkable that there were no injuries apparently involved in this plane crashes. He said they were all very lucky so okay so again if you are just joining us. We know it's just a couple of minutes. After the top of the hour you're breaking news today. Around three forty pm a plane carrying dale earnhardt jr. his wife amy their daughter isla <hes> having a crash landing or upon on landing at elizabethtown municipal airport <hes> playing as you see there catching fire <hes> all passengers including two pilots surviving getting off of the plane <hes> again and elizabeth tune is about fourteen miles southeast of bristol motor speedway where the racing will take place this weekend kelley earnhardt dale sister sending out this message on social media. She's confirming that everyone safe has been taken to the hospital for further evaluation but just so scary from from the photos that are coming out <hes> again as as a as you heard the fire chiefs say that the plane catching fire yeah. I think that's just what stood out to me. Kind of what nature said there that i mean it just it's remarkable remarkable that they're generally the okay and you know just really hits hits home that something like this at any point in life can happen and because because we do travel so much in the sport that we love i mean it's we're very lucky that this doesn't happen more often but when it does just prayed aiden and very fortunate very lucky that the dale junior and his family are okay it seems like the pilots and the you know you just it's it's hard to look at those images and keep looking at and then you hear the the chief talk about just in his experience how lucky that they are to be okay. It's <hes> it's a tough thing it kind of set the tone going into the race weekend a it's it's difficult because once it gets time to go race tonight in the truck series race and xfinity race tomorrow and then the cup race saturday night. You know it's back to business but you know this is all in the back of our minds that we're lucky that that everybody everybody is okay and it just it sets a different tone than than any of us would like going into a race weekend. I think it will be the dominant storyline certainly tomorrow a._j. A._j. because there'll be a lot of media attention they'll be a lot of reporters now probably at bristol motor speedway tomorrow. We're going to be there and they'll be asking the drivers much like the questions you hear a._j. After after there's a serious injury injury or fatality and race. How do you get back in the race car. I'm sure there'll be a lot of questions two teams drivers. How do you do this in a regular basis. Do you have any more trepidation so now about flying knowing that so much of your life revolves around always having to get on private planes and again given the history here given the hendrick situation fifteen fifteen years ago given the jack russia team owner who flies all the time. He's been involved in a couple of crashes as well so i'm sure it's going to be the dominant narrative on friday at bristol motor speedway. We know a lot of you who watched the show. Follow nascar obviously so you know flying in private planes. It's a part of a race weekend. Kyle joke kyle petty and jeff burton out of the race track joking that it's a traveling circus national news platforms obviously picking up the story may not realize that this is something you know. Why was he in a plane. It's such a little airport. That's that's a normal place. I would assume to land fourteen miles from the race track. We know there's a helicopter pad right at the race track but this is just sort of the natural ebb and flow some of every race weekend. It's very common krista that teams with land at private airstrips small airstrips not necessarily the big metropolitan airport and of course bristol muscle motor speedway is not located in the metropolitan area with the tri cities there on the tennessee virginia border there of course can be landing much smaller reporter this at this airstrip in this in this case so yeah and i think you're right. I think there will be a lot of national attention focused on it and probably people not really realizing how much travel goes was into being a part of the nascar circuit. We heard jeff burton's say that earlier you can't do it. Commercially teams have to fly private. They have to essentially have their own air force to get around the country thirty six races a year and traveling so much and he heard the fire chief talk about the fact that <hes> you know the the plane fuselage sort of still there at the municipal uh airport when he says stay out of the area again just looking at a map can only assume highway ninety one <hes> highway that runs right in front of the municipal airport and then catches up with nineteen <hes> east east as as you know that rerun right up to the race track <hes> so that area would be normally sort of a heavy flow on a race weekend <hes> from fans media nineteen personnel <hes> traveling into the race weekend but no question as we continue to bring you the latest dealer juniors plane crashing <hes> elizabeth taylor municipal airport fourteen miles southeast of bristol motor. Speedway dale has been taken to the hospital. The team has told us that that came straight from mike davis <hes> communications manager for further evaluation i his wife amy daughter. Isla were on the plane all have survived and we continue to hope that all our okay further updates will we'll be on n._b._c. nightly news tonight at six thirty eastern nate ryan and dustin long. We'll also continue to follow this story on n._b._c. Sports dot com and i think we all are in agreement as a._j. Jeff burton kyle petty from the race track nate ryan here in studio said we would normally say enjoy the races. Enjoy your family and practice kindness this weekend. Thank you for watching.

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2020-12-08 - KSR - Hour 2

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2020-12-08 - KSR - Hour 2

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Two sports radio. Matt jones up in new york with his birthday. Bride rachel bailey. Happy birthday rachel. So ryan limit drew franklin shannon the dude and baby face jack pilgrim in here the patriot shirt on just talking about damian harris my my boy my boy is doing well gets one hundred hundred snaps a game and sunny show get zero anyway. Five zero two. Five seven hundred eighty. That's the phone number. We'll hit some news items here this this segment. We'll go back to the phones luke. Fortner has become a semi-finalist for the danny werfel award. You heard freddie glowingly. Talk about luke fortner. Yesterday that was interesting story talking about it. I didn't know that story about him helping build a car to help transport children from the hospital over the stadium. Yes what a great story that it was. Yeah you know he and other players on the team in many before them quietly just hospital and make those kids days and donate ascension. Don't want attention. Don't get attention to engineer vehicle to move the kids over to the next level so i hope he wins. The award to i mean. Was it a draw blink. We just had a player. S forty just wanted me love one it just a couple ago. That was a big deal yes foreigner. I haven't seen the other candidates. He has quite the argument to be continued. Zoom calls with with sick kids and sets up. I think they said that he does two hours of zoom calls a week with just all the different sick kids answering questions. And and i mean do awesome awesome. Awesome do fantastic great story and the fact that he has done that you gotta think luke might win it. You know what these other guys have done. But if if he doesn't come back next year do it again fan of that. He's gotta watch. I mean instead of build a car built a van. There you go just keep innovating that's eighteen eighteen wheeler something love it. Love the idea. So -gratulations the luke wheeler another failed. Good morning foreigner. And luke foreigner luke wheeler really. He will already did another feel-good story that we had talked about is bam adebayo. Gosh my heart out of my chest. His ball a house that he just continues to just provide us with feel good story. Feel good story. When i saw that yesterday. I mean you just can't help but just love that guy so bam in his his mom just two of them in a single wide trailer north carolina. Before he came here she would walk down the street to like a meat market. Work the cashier and then walk home and take care of bam and now she is living in miami in a big nba. All star type mentioned in the first thing you see frame when you walk in. The door is picture. That trailer was in the background. The pictures bam shared that just an story. I mean bam is a cow players. I don't know. I mean he's nice. Sweeten is innocent as they come and he deserves everything he's been getting and he's been taking care of his mama when he moved to miami. He put his mom in the condo with him. What i am mama. Rookie puts their mom with itself beach. Yes you're wanting to go out bango of stay out on mom. Let's go. i'm so happy for bam miss maryland. That's her name. We didn't really get to know her. Well his one you here. But i did see at the tournament that year and thanked her for being such a fun parent watching from far said high she could have been nicer. Just cheering on. I'm bbn forever. So so happy for her two hundred million dollars for for bam. i mean. that's if there's one family that that could could use that in deserves that That's that's pretty dang that predicament. Yeah you can't be happy and proud for that young man and his heart is in the right place and just what a great feel good story that is. We've been blessed with a lot of the most ultimate cows in good kids. There's been a few count about not even that bad of an apple but bam is up there at the very very top among the best best. Guess yeah. I love that story and he was made no secret about him. Being a bob was boy grow up in a single mom. Trailer of household was a trailer. Then everybody everybody's saying that picture. And i think he it was awesome. They've got it framed in their house. Down there down in miami. How many people listening right now if you were. Nineteen in the heat drafted union mood. Miami would say all right mom getting the car though. I love my love. Our hearts at florida whenever she wanted but the same condo i'd move i'd move into the condo next door think mover next law down the actual condo. Yeah same building down the street. Maybe you're yeah. But i think my favorite the image of the trailer picture hanging up in the wall that picture of bam. He looks like a giddy little like five year old. He's like oh my god. I just gave my mom a house. Boys look man. I love that he got the story. Bam from breaking the coffee table when he was little boy. Is that true. I never heard maybe had the flintstones bam with the batch off also. I'd say there's plenty of nice coffee tables around that house now. Fayette county public schools. They shut down winter sports. And we're supposed supposed to start practice on monday. The fourteenth start practicing in and then they can start playing games on january fourth. That's the what's in place right now. What i'm being told is they're going to meet again. I faked tomorrow to discuss the possibility of even moving that back even farther where they may not even start playing until february. Good idea bad idea. Well let me let me do your move input on my reporter hat and flip it. Because i don't have this. This is my life. this is your life. That's all you it's a gut punch. Yeah because it probably all the other county schools are probably going to go ahead and play. That's what i fear. I fear everybody else is gonna play. The private schools are going to play and fayette county is going to be. Maybe the only one that's gonna push it to february pushing another month back and this is the what's going on. The table voted to do it. They're just going to be on the table but they're supposed to start practising again on monday and six days when the numbers keep going up and it's not getting any better so i mean we all want him out there playing but i mean we can't even walk in a restaurant order food right now. So it's tough and we're just getting the thanksgiving numbers and there'll be christmas numbers. I hope they can play Kobe tough because the winter sports we're talking about is basketball. What wrestling and swimming right. Those are the three high school winter sports house wrestling handling this. Yeah that's like a one that you go. Yeah i don't know about all that face and somebody's armpit crotch not much not much covering you. I wonder at what contract contact tracing look like with the wrestling. Yeah i think. It'd be pretty obvious. So i don't know tough decisions. I think coming up by the highschool. But you know they're letting college play basketball. Yeah so why. Can't the high school kids play basketball. I don't disagree. I don't know. I don't know what they're gonna do. But that's i think they're gonna. I think football playoff coming up football playoffs coming up. We're going to. The state semifinals friday night so we can play high school. Football can play college basketball. All let them play high school basketball. That's the question they're gonna have to answer well like football. I'm sure it will change By the day and we'll keep tracking it. Yeah because i remember when we were trying to figure out when they'd start football. That was an ongoing every day. It seemed like minds. Were being changed. Numbers changing things so well. They're playing football. State semifinals on friday and our kroger game of the week is beechwood at west carter. You've been to west carter. I've never been to west carter. Either but i will be there friday morning with you. I are we doing this. Show there friday morning. That will text from freddie magar. Assume i think we're supposed to do the show there. Freddie freddie freddie carter people friday morning and i think i'm supposed to say up. We'll be there. We'll be there. Friday morning at west carter high school on tom t hall drive. I think is where it is. I've never been there first. Time their first time west corridor has ever been to the state semifinals. They'd never been this far in the playoffs. So that's why we're going there. We didn't pick it because it's on tom. T hall decision right. That's one sure one of the reasons that ma- picked it as we are excited to get to give them some tension now speaking of that side of the state where we did rowan county rowan. Canucks right by carter county. We met mentioned a place called ruta bakers a bakery bakers some food this week. It was awesome cookies or those little one of those little things those are. There's some kind of cookie wedding wedding cookies those little round thing. What are those called. What's your wife's name. katie katie. Little round cookies called little bit around thing like the size of a quarter off ball. Like yeah like cookie. We're gonna go with cook. Maybe maybe bakers. Good is the point. Yeah ruto bakers. Thank you very much and shannon. They sent you some. But freddie eight of yesterday no thanks a lot. Freddie cookies ready for delivery went home with it. I could have just lied. So many cookies individually wrapped him in brought them back to enjoy individually wrapped. Our own little portion of cookies shannon had some mat had some drew headstone. But freddie and nick. I think eight portion. That's that's their work. Yeah so some of us have to be here in order to run. the show can't be. I do have a gift card that he bought for you for christmas. I'll save that for the friday. And the one day that matt asks me if i had espn plus and i said no root beer stand. Robert bought it for me. Christmas. that's nice. that size is root beer. Stand robert down in corbin. He bought me a subscription to espn. Plus so i can watch all these crazy basketball games. Your thousand dollar tab and new york a couple of years ago too didn't he. Did we all try to chip in. And he wouldn't even let us he that night. We were seeing karaoke in that in that place there in new york was it that got that. Yeah i can't video shannon. Got that video clip by the way tonight. That was a heck of a night. Well why were shoutouts and espn plus talk. I have one more shout out into give yesterday so after georgia tech game. When was that. What is today. That was sunday so at two. Am i decided. I wanted to watch it again. Because i'm a psychopath georgia tech game. Yeah i just. It's just you know when you gotta sit around lemon. You gotta be ready with your show per show. Prep to am espn app to play. And they list all the games on demand. It's got d three games everywhere but the one game that wouldn't work was kentucky georgia tech and a non psychopath would have said you know. It's a sign. I'm going to go to bed. Yes no. I found out that the spanish broadcast work eight it. I watched it all spanish. Yes so. I want to think rigoberto plaza and guillermo zealous for sunday at two. Am get me through the georgia tech rewatch. It wasn't it wasn't carl ravitch. And jimmy dykes didn't have much mark to share a so. Thank you to them. You need help. You need to talk to somebody. I don't even know where they were if they'll hear this but there was a uk fan in the middle of night rewatching with okay. We need to find them on. Twitter tweet them today to thank them for the broadcast. What was her name again. Rigoberta plus. I had a hard time with his last name and guillermo salas find him on twitter. Let's take them for broadcasting the game and spanish so i could watch an entertaining radio at two. Am in the morning. all right. We'll take a break come back. Oh back to phone lines riot. Drew shannon and baby-faced. Jack pilgrim here on sports. Radio to talk about joe was in. The crew. Called the clark's pup and shop online at five zero two five seven one eighty or one eight seven seven nine. Four hundred eighty or just the kentucky brandon. tv hungry it's hard to think about anything else. Provide elementary school children with food and success by becoming a program coordinator today visit blessings in a backpack dot org for more information. If you or someone you know have an injured in an accident called. tj and he'll make them pay tj. Smith is your kentucky lawyer serving the entire state. It's already one. Or two hundred. Thirty million dollars in settlements and verdicts for his clients. And he can do the same for you whether it's car wreck nursing home neglect medical malpractice. Whatever the case is called. Tj he'll make them pay. You can also do video conferencing during the pandemic five zero two five eight nine twenty five sixty five two five eight nine twenty. Five sixty or at tj underscore. Make them pay on twitter. Now for more news on the blue kentucky. Sports radio on talk radio tenny. This is the song shannon is saying karaoke tonight. We wondered into the basement of a karaoke bar that i didn't know how to basement. And there is an empty room and a microphone is lying there. And you. And i pick pick the microphones up went into this abandoned room and started singing this song because it just so happened to be the one song that was playing and shannon said. You never heard this song in your life. No but i thought we did pretty well for two people who've never heard the song. Yeah i thought we nailed it. I was there nailed it. Thank you know and root beer. Stand robert grab my phone and recorded it. i've got. I've got a video clip of it. Tweet that out about a year ago. I feel like you did. I think so. Yeah it's one of my favorite places in new york. It's called sing-sing yay me. Forever to try to find it. But i've got a maybe during the next commercial break. I'll see if. I can never seen a karaoke bar like that where you run out. Specific rooms usually the karaoke bars. I've been in and you know everybody's out in the open but in the at this one you had to go into like a private room to do your karaoke well. They didn't want you all drawn too much of crowd that is when it was staged the general public. Exactly that's right. i think you're right anyway. I may have found that. I'll try to break all right. All right five oh five. Seven one eighty that is the phone number drew shannon and jack. Let's go to the phone lines and take some calls. We got shannon all right. Let's go to darrow in nashville. Daryl go hey darryl what's up guys If there was any individual this morning that can take buying took it back in vice coach. Satterfield show yeah. I kinda would be great for you. Get michael bennett asking that my job. I know you guys talking about basketball. And i had a couple of questions about football and Eddie grand so. And and i don't know the first question this but how much of a role is eddie playing recruiting and pay some though. How much of that do you think went into the decision. The letting go and also you guys remember. When shannon dawson was was like go What patrick tolls tweeted out. I don't remember that what what was it. I have a hard time keeping up with all the tweets from this young boston guy. Let go patrick tolls. He had already moved on to I believe boston college correct. Yes so. He tweeted out scapegoat. Basically oh i remember that. Yeah you remember that you remember that. Yeah so. I don't know. I don't know if anybody ever followed up with him on that. Or if he lab it on that but it does kind of make you wonder when people think how much does coach students interfere with some of the play calling. I don't know it just. And i know shannon had his own problems Shandong it is but you know if you guys remember that and and And and just trying to put some context on what's going on right now with with coach dan and their show And and that's all got guys. thanks. I appreciate it. Yeah i forgot that tweet. From patrick tolls after the shannon dawson was like. Oh you know. I think eddie grant as a recruiter. I think he had some. I think he had some mrs. It's fair because he had mike francisco been hot comb. They've been a good time. that's bad times. I think that was actually one of his weaknesses. He was the florida guy. Yeah any wind got people and we got excited about it but if you were to take a list of all the names the grand got. There's not many that really panned out. And that's not necessarily all on him. He went and got him. It could be development or even got here but he doesn't have many or you can go. Hey look i brought this guy in. And it's it's a big star. He's big on bo allen. Being you know kind of future. The offense quarterback graham was really south. Florida and a lot of those guys were good gets when we got him. But we haven't heard much from him since freddie head's has the list that he show you the list he's got the list of twenty four seven. I have it pulled up now. Their website they actually have coaches profiles where it lists their players. And you can go. The you know josh ali was a was a grand guy. That's one of the bigger names but there's also a lot of them where it's guys we thought would be big time players anymore. Yeah yeah. I don't want to feel like i'm putting that on grand. That could be. He went and got him. He did his part but no huge trophies in the recruiting room rumors. Dan robert has citizen text now. Drew going to expect me to get him a christmas present. I don't even like drew. Only hang out with him because abby is cool Let's go to charlie. Go ahead charlie. Good morning guys. I just wanna give you one quick humorous note or i thought it was humorous. You're talking about the kentucky association and winter sports. I saw the other day where the ohio athletic association has approved wrestling for the winter. But the participants can't shake hands so you could stick in. There are pit and their crotch. But you can't shake hands and make sense on facebook so you know it's got to be true. Yeah we'll just like basketball. They weren't going to have a jump ball but yet you can guard each other and you know. Get all tangled up for a rebound dive on the floor up. Let's keep each other six feet apart on the bench but not have done have a jump ball. Oh well. I just thought. I passed that along to you. This was thanks. Charlie appreciate it right next. Let's go to dan. dan. Go ahead dan guys. This is dan from lucky now. i've got a couple of things i think are Basketball thank were overreacting. A little bit. I mean You know i think we. We have potential the way we played in kansas in this last game. Why we lay the egg we did. I have no idea. I guess it's review and in the second thing is our football team. You know I think our fans kinda overreacted on that you know we were in every game this year except for three games. You don't missouri game alabama dame florida gay so You know. I think our football team next year what Assuming would probably be the quarterback is. We're going to have the season next year. You know i agree you know. I think there's a lot of pieces in place where the football team six because the defenses. They've played really well this. I saw the alabama game defense played. Well all those guys were back. So if they if one of the quarterbacks can win the job and do well if krish rigas comes back if they can fill some holes in the offensive line if if in butts were candies and nuts. We'd all have christmas. You know so. I don't know i'm so excited about football next year. I said yesterday. I'm not that disppointed. With the season there were low points and reasons to complain for sure victim. The offense sucked the corners. And we just gonna keep screaming about eddie grand forever. He's gone moving forward. It's a new coordinator. Get the pieces on the right track and have a good twenty twenty one season due candy. Candy naturally really make a good christmas. I've never heard that before christmas. Candy and nuts okay I just tweeted out. That video shane. Somebody sent it to me and so Just appreciate it in. 'cause i did tweet it out again earlier this year in february somebody sent it to me. So it's back out there now classic There we go shannon. 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We went to the quiet bar on. Were shouting hours after the quiet bar. You're loaded then. We didn't stay long at the quiet bar. That nice bartender from kentucky. She was from kentucky. She said pint. Yeah chain rock. It's called birth castle by the way. Is it burp. Burp castle castle whispering. There they'll throw you out was shouting mitch mitch. Mcconnell came to visit the other people just enjoying their quiet Far we're not looking so but thankfully the bartender from pineville. She had a good sense of humor or could have been in jail at night. All right. welcome back. Sports radio ryan andrew shannon and jack We had to do our tweet of the day. Senate who is this kentucky brandon tweet of the day shop dot com. Save up to fifty percent on your uk. Gear comes from no hair kenny. He says it seems to be harder to get a straight answer out of the uk coaches room full of politicians stoops and cal. Very good at speaking a lot but not really saying anything. I agree with that. When that's why i picked that one i think stoops is. He's he's more the emotional coach but cow. I mean you could ask. We've talked about this several times. You can ask him anything. Cows going talk about what he wants to talk about. He has a narrative going into his press conferences. Regardless of what you ask them. I don't wanna loose stoops into that. I feel like stoops does a pretty good job. He's not being honest. So straight up. Tell you i'm not telling you that like we. It's like okay. Yeah we said the basketball likes to keep things very tight lipped. And when they don't want something to get out they do a pretty good job of keeping it within their tight circle. I think you agree with that. Yeah and i think it's when it comes to andrews. it's such a touchy. It's such a touchy thing you don't you know it's not our right to know the specifics of set injuries it. That's why a lot of times stoops. It'd be like yeah. It's a lower leg injury remember. Was it a manual quickly last year. That that cow was asked about it and he just said leg. Can you give the specifics of it. Yeah leg that's the. You're not going to get anything out of these coaches unless they want to tell you that so we can try as hard as we want to pick and dive into stuff and they are going to. They're going to say whatever they want to say and and we're going to write whatever they say. Yeah all right what he said. He had a tour so each body body body just bruise out his body. How long is it gonna be out. I've looked at it. And i've talked to him. Yeah we we got one of those last night when asked about can easily. Yeah talked to him about it. I was like man he. That's that his his his goto he will. He will never talk to his players. Never comes to. This is the darndest thing. Give them their space. Yeah who's a segment sponsored by drew ryan. 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Kb buying center in the state and we love talking about them here on kesar. The the franklin family good people's five to five seven one two nation. who's next. Let's go to rene rene go-ahead rene. A call say right here. She's gonna talk about don franklin as high related to dan franklin. John short wants to know that yes. I wish they can franklin way down the road. All right let's go to bob and jamestown jamestown or you say guys. I'm like okay guys take change gears here and let everybody were fact. Today's the day that A went out of the music world. John lennon i've got a copy. Here of the actual radio broadcasts new york and it has rose leases to hear bob no apparent again john lennon the proper has been shot twice in the back here in new york city. Hospital conditions. karcher incident didn't Did howard cosell announced it to the world during monday night. Football how the world found out. Yes yes that's right. Yeah yeah wow forty forty years ago. Yeah yeah twenty twenty. Just did a thing on this That i saw just maybe a couple of weeks ago. How he would have been. It was on his birthday. He would have been eighty years old and as was i remember it. I mean i guess. I would have been fourteen years older. So something like that when it happened Just did it stunned the world. And i remember yeah l. announced it to the world monday night football. He'd been shot and killed that night. Everybody strawberry fields. They member of John lennon thank you appreciate that. You know. that's it's one of those things during my generation. You know i. I remember where i was. When i heard that john lennon got shot and when ronald reagan got shot and yesterday was d day. And that's a a moment like you know our grandparents they remember just moments in time. You remember where you were i remember. I was at my grandmother's basement. And howard cosell tells everybody that john lennon was shot and killed out front of his apartment. So i kind of brought me down. Bob and jamestown. Wow so i guess we don't get that as much with other ways to get your news. But they'll just cut in to whatever's going on to tell the world. Yeah yeah now a social media things. Get so fast yeah. It's old news by monday night. Football is probably gonna be off on a tangent right now but the thing i watched on twenty twenty it just so happened when they brought john lennon into the hospital that night. There was a reporter from abc news. That just happened to be there for some other reason. Like forget what it was but he just happened to be in the emergency room that night for something else and he will this body in and he's like look like john lennon at so he he just happened to be there when they brought him in. He radio zanies newsroom. You're not gonna believe this. Use brought john lennon and he's shot and i think he's dead. Wow that tell. The news. Got to the abc news station. That then reported it to howard cosell. Who's doing the game on monday night football. Yeah yeah okay. I know we're way off mason. I'm sorry that's that's fascinating stuff. That happened you know in the nineteen the early eighties when all this happened. Nine hundred eighty. I guess i didn't live for that but to keep the the beatles fun going. I went to the cavern club in liverpool. Where they first started. Yeah that thing is unbelievable that like the beatles played there and it's like a beatles straw now kinda got me onto the beatles. Yeah because that's the way before your time appreciate the history of a little bit. Yeah all right. Let's get another phone call. Get back on track here a little bit. Joe go ahead joe. Hey how you guys doing today. How are you jo memorial. I think everybody needs to take a chill pill on this football season. You know if you go back and look at the the season as a whole against our regular schedule. We were four and four. If we'd played the mother for cupcakes and logo was probably the worst of them. We probably would sit there and being eight and four and they would have been a very good season. So i think i think everybody needs to chill out just a little bit. I'm glad we're going to get another offensive coordinator. I to see a little bit better offense but i don't think it was that bad. I i got being groomed. You guys i looking back on it i. I'm i'm not disappointed. Yeah i appreciate it. Joe and you know they go. Eight and four is eighty grand still here. That's the question you know. Yeah that's i think that's stoops was ask something like that. I think nick actually asked him about it. Said you know you've given the circumstances. Shouldn't this kind of be a free pass for everybody and soon but it's not our record is what it is. We're four and six and somebody has to answer to that. And i think that's kind of what makes everybody so excited for the future is even given the circumstances no matter how horrible the offense was issue you know you go down the list of all the issues. There are so many bright spots that you look at especially on the defensive side of the ball defensive coaches. there's so many young guys. John summerall bill brad white. There's so many guys that you look. You're like okay. This is who you can continue to build forward and and keep taking that next step forward and i think stoops kinda saw that and said you know we have so many good pieces if we want to take this next step up sucks got give up to my best friends but you gotta do what you gotta do to keep moving forward. So yeah i. I don't i don't look back at this season as a complete failure. And you know that that things were just absolutely horrible. I think think that there's there's more good to look forward to than than pessimism. I guess think about how you'll before this kobe season. They were actually contemplating extending the sec. To ten games so now that we've done it. There's no way they're gonna do it are they. No no every. Every coach has come out and said what are we doing. Yeah impossible but they were actually thinking about this award heck. This season might have saved that from happening. I don't know. Do we have to go back to alabama or do we get that out of the way. I don't know what they do about that. I'm sure how that's going to be biden's just taken one for the team and got that alabama law out of the way got coordinator up. I'm glad that caller said what he said. The three weeks. Stretch vanderbilt through florida. Right after losing slur was very disappointing especially offensively that not that bad extra point it gets old man. Sec wins in a season is usually a successful kentucky back. Yeah so all right. We'll take our final break. Come back our final segment five. Oh two five. 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Patio drew. but now we've made it even toast ear and warmer for the patio with enclosures so Come on out and see us another reason to even come out. Yeah the governor. And the regulations kind of forced our hand to add some new stuff over there invest in a little bit and i think even past all this could be a nice addition yes nights so yeah nice little setup. We have out there on that patio. Yeah it's in place now sought for the first time this morning we came in. But it's blue blue or blue so yeah It's kind of warm out there with the with the overhead heaters. We have anyway but now with the the big enclosures we've got. It's going to be really kind of nice in there. And i personally haven't watched a game there yet but i i know people have games there since it's been cold outside and said it's been fine experienced. We're going to open the garage doors so it will have the open field. You can't go in the restaurant but you sit on the patio and had the garage doors open. So yeah coming out and check it out ks bar and grill here. It's really really cool. Place it is. You should check it out into five. Two five seven one eighty ohno call. Phone lines are open a coffee. You want to call in real quick here before we get out here. We got notre dame on saturday jack. You're here coach cal just called. And he's asking jet pilgrim. How can i fix the problems on my basketball team. And he wants to know your solution. What do you tell him all right. Here's what we're doing terence clark. You're starting to you started point guard. I love it. I love that. Love that all right. We're having debut on mints. You are starting shooting guard. I love that too bj. Boston you're running out there with thirty three for three all right at power forward this is where things get a little tricky. And this is where i think you know. I think the answer might be came on camera on this kinda hinted at it. He's been working a lot at that. Four spot is that small four. I liked what you did a lot with those like the only time you went on a run against georgia tech was when they went small ball. So i'm gonna go cameron fletcher at the floor. And i'm going to go isaiah jackson at the five. We're going to be run fast. Paced throw alley. Oops we just got to change the dynamic of this team the pace of this team. Something's got to change. I'm starting there. Although i will. I do have to say alleviates. Our one of his best games against notre dame so last year so is his comfort zone. You play to his strengths. I wouldn't be shocked. If if cal started olivier just to say all right this is we signed you because you had thirty point. Seventeen rebound game against notre dame. We gotta get back to what you're good at so i would start there probably and if things start getting out of hand again. I'm going with my my top five lineup right there. How many times have we talk about. Vr said well. You know we had that big game against notre dame that was part of the kool aid i drink. All summer was chugging. Kool-aid we were being served in that notre dame game was big ingredient kool-aid so we'll see saturday when they announced that schedule in the they announced notre dame as an addition to the schedule. The first thing alleviate did was on twitter with like the smirking cat emoji like. Yeah that's my game. I got this so this is a game that he has had circled on his calendar. For months. if there's a game for him to break out and be that star anchor of the front of the front court. Please ought to be this please. Because they needed a foot in there but somewhere that would be just a fantastic. Little addition as a coach broke. Pilgrim's assistant coach on a staff over here across ryan. I really liked the game. Plan coaches drew up their starting five. I see potential because maybe done work. But it's trying something new you have to think at this point. And if it wasn't for notre dame. I would probably have to send Mister to the bench. Because i think really. He's not done much he's hurts. You and i think there's been times looked better without him and i never thought we'd say that i thought he was going to be the missing piece that they needed to put it all together this year but for whatever reason it just hasn't clicked no in for him as an assistant. All right down on my clipboard. I have one more suggestion. Okay i've heard a million times coach kyle on the eyes and say i can't play you in this game. I mean he brags about it. Goes the press conference janis. Play you in this game. Say that devon ask you when he's not playing well i don't care that he was a five star. Alec devon ask you. I hope he's here forever. Plays well it'd be. He's a good point guard but when he is losing a ball game for you you can't have to chase something has to change. Just keep watching it. And i've heard cow. Look people and say cannot play right now if ask you keeps doing more. Say i need to hear that out of his mouth of the very few things he did. Say after the georgia game. He did confirm that he is going to have to take the ball out of people's hands that are turning the ball over too often which doesn't really mean much considering everybody that is at least a step in the right direction where he sees it with his own two is that hey turnovers or a real issue i think he. He went on a little tweet spree again last night where he said this. I'm hammering at home and practice. It's all we're working on. His turnovers turnovers so in order to put it on on the actual court instead of just talking about it that would be a step in the right direction of putting the ball taking the ball. Out of devon's hands and maybe putting putting him in catching shoot opportunities utilizing elsewhere but just not as your lead number one point guard right this second if he's taking it out of the turnovers hands jacob top end was the only person on the team with a turnover so i guess he'll be point. Guard there that. Oh gosh rather have kareem watkins. Starting point guard yeah. I think that's better idea all right. The phone lines are full. But now we're about out of time so let's go through rapid fire. Real quick shannon. Who first dilbert dilbert you got. Thirty seconds go. Oh man who got. I ain't heard from you a long time. I i mean i've listen. Y'all chang hurts me. Because i was gone i spend a little time in the actually i got caught in the the taco bell graft or just like that mayor from five li. I tried cowan. No day I say give her a break. I know listen. Psa here do not drink and grab. It's the worst thing ever it can ruin your life and it can hurt other people. So i'm just putting out there. I but i've been stopped like that i Older a whole bunch tacos and stuff and gave them a fifteen drove out my without my chains and they came out and get me and i was already sleek so i know i feel are paying. I don't think what she did. But you know let's have a little grace and help her out okay. That's all i wanted to say about thirty seconds. Thank you dilbert. Good words to live. By san. Whose neck dylan dylan. Thirty seconds go. Hey guys thanks for taking my call and make it clear. I know a lot of fans are down about the past. Five years accounts and flipping but my honest questions. We truly ourselves. We'll be rather take in the past five years over town. I don't think there's a real good answer. Listen listen thanks guys. I appreciate adele type. One more. we gotta do drew's spot that shannon. Get about a minute so we get all right. Drew go well let me tell you about the dueling. Dj's charity were met jones. And i are going head to head and a little fundraiser. With federal uk federal credit union met is representing the lexington rescue mission. I am representing uk. Children's hospital if you go to kfc dot org can donate to either one of those causes. Think matt scott a little bit of elite on me with donated to the children. Also donate to both and we're supporting both but i'm a little behind your little behind right now. You gotta push you u k federal credit credit doing deejays charity draft. Okay how can they get. F c u dot org uk. What fc dot org uk f c u dot. Org that helps vote for you to help. Push you ahead of matt in this race right. They're both on their you. Pick me give to both sides. Okay all right. We appreciate jack pilgrim. Thanks for coming in. Thank you all right. We'll be back tomorrow. We one more day matter. We back on thursday come season. The new patio can't foreign grill. We'll see tomorrow. This is sports radio. 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As Hurricane Dorian hits East Coast, Trump doubles down on 'Sharpie-gate'

The Beat with Ari Melber

44:31 min | 1 year ago

As Hurricane Dorian hits East Coast, Trump doubles down on 'Sharpie-gate'

"Hurricane dorian is calling up the carolinas. Donald trump is defending his gaffe. Bill karen will give us the fact something people need on the weather tonight as well as a lot of other stories including donald trump rating money from puerto rico and military dare daycare centers to try to get money for the wall which he said famously mexico would be funding and it can convert roger stone will testify at that trial which of course grew out of the miller probe. We have that tonight as well so all of those stories including in a few minutes more on the politics but we begin in right now looking at these live pictures of this storm making its way up the east coast is we can slightly to a technical category two hurricane but heavy winds are walloping coastal communities preparing for storm surge and contending with potential tornadoes at least three people in the united states have died just in the midst of preparing for this storm. The bahamas struggle to recover from that devastation. That's been reported all week. Twenty people there now dead but in the midst of all of this and this this is serious stuff as hundreds of thousands of americans already are dealing in situations where they're scared where they're worried. They don't have power where there are life threatening conditions. We were told rolled by our own u._s. Government it is fitting perhaps for twenty nineteen to see what the president is focused on continuing to double down and defend false and phony claims that he originally made a mistake which by the way anyone could have made and corrected when he wrongly said alabama was in the storm's path. They're six more tweets about this today. This comes of course after donald trump punked himself. There's really no other way to describe it when he used a apparently used a black sharpie to show what you see there this doctored map of the storm's path that occurred in otherwise serious briefing in the oval office. The president is focused here on petty had you cover up on basically massaging his own ego and all of this is a split screen contrast for the two thousand nineteen air that you see right here donald trump state of mind obsessed with his own alabama err on twitter as america and other parts of the caribbean deal with this very you still serious store. That is a portrait. We want to turn now to the right side of the screen to the factual side n._b._c. Meteorologist bill cairns guides this to so many of these situations sir. What do we know well. We know that we're about to see the impacts of a hurricane. We haven't had hurricane conditioned anywhere on land since the storm left of a hamas as we have tropical storm conditions florida georgia south carolina but we haven't had hurricane conditions. There's a big difference. That's when you get the damage. That's when the trees down a lot of power outages they've had scattered stuff up to this this point but now we're starting to see the center of the storm the eye we're all the powerful winds are approaching areas right around wright's fill the wilmington area. That's what we're gonna be watching. The evening wind hundred learned ten miles per hour. That's nothing to sneeze at is still a good strong category. Two hurricane only a little bit higher and it's still a category three major so the problem. We've had all day long these outer outer bands. This has been producing numerous tornadoes visit a tornado watch. It's an eastern north carolina. Who've had eleven tornadoes significant damage done to a bunch of structures haven't heard heard of any injuries or fatalities thankfully but that's still concerned through the night nets not even with the is that's just the outer bands so here's the forecast from the hurricane center. If we time this out it it goes past the wilmington area. I don't know if we're going to get a landfall or not but at least a portion of the i will be through this beach area. That'll be happening as go from about nine. Pm until about midnight and and then by about two to three a._m. Potential landfall carter county here morehead city area atlantic beach beaufort north carolina and then going over the outer banks towards sunrise. When we wake up tomorrow morning it should be somewhere here near cape hatteras for the buxton area and then heading out to see it as far as the biggest impacts go. We have one more high tide cycle to go through. That'll it'll be later on tonight and then of course we're gonna have to watch out with potential that heavy rain flash flooding in these winds even morehead city tonight when that makes landfall possibility winds up to one hundred miles per hour so again if we're gonna have this is going to be in the lower forty eight a big deal. That's going to require people to be without power. We're gonna have storm surge issues. Everything's going to happen in the the next eighteen hours because we're done with this by about noon tomorrow understood and hopefully most of the devastation is over bill karen's as we've come to rely on. You are relying on you throughout throughout. Thank you as always sir appreciate it. Now we mentioned the president's state of mind focused on during as we've said something that's caused americans lives. Does this cost people in the bahamas lives. He's tweeting and defending his false claim that he thought alabama could have been in the storm's path now. He tried to back that up in a number of ways he shared aired map of the storm's potential routes. This is a donald trump tweet but as you see that map was a week old was out of date when trump made his aronie is claim about dorian hitting alabama on sunday a weekend when he said he was focused on monitoring the storm. It also includes a disclaimer. If anything on this graphic causes confusion ignore ignore the entire product all of this after donald trump of course got himself in this mass by doubling down with his blown-up map of the storm's path which included the extra line appear to to be drawn in sharpy by someone someone using a sharpie in the oval office that was designed to try to edit what you see in the way line and say that the black black line under the red arrow somehow meant trump was right all along now again. I can't report for you confirmation. We don't have for example oval office video surveillance about whether donald trump drew that that line and the white house won't really say much. We don't know if it wasn't a president who else would have done it. Sometimes in these self inflicted gas you get a blame game going but we do know it's technically illegal to put out false weather reports. So what about the d._h._s. Permanent homeland security well. They're referring questions about the map back to the white house and we do know what donald trump said when he was actually confronted about again something that should have been a non issue that he made into an issue. Donald trump wasn't matter surprise about it. He didn't didn't say he'd make an effort to track down the culprit either. I don't know i don't know undoing when he to tolerate his campaign director for the center for american progress action fund sam cedar is the host the majority report radio show good evening to both of view sam <hes>. This is a lighter story so i know you i not because you're a lightweight but because you have a familiarity with these issues i know from listening to you on the radio. Sometimes you mix. You've mixed the serious with the absurd. What does it say against the backdrop of the serious that we've just reported and we got our weather facts from bill cairns that this is the state of the mind of the president united states and people who say they're not surprised. Is that good enough or should we be more than surprise. Should we be disappointed. Well yeah of course. I think we should be disappointed. I think we should be a little bit nervous. Frankly i mean i have no idea what this says about his state of the mind but his mind but it's not great but i think there's something other that's going on here and i would never credit donald trump with with some type of grand strategy edge or even. I don't know how much we can attribute to these being thoughtful tactics you know if you listen to some of the right wing radio there talking about this as the media's going after him for a gaffe right and there's a lot of things that none of us are talking about going on right now that i think you know if you're a staffer for donald donald trump. You're thinking that maybe this is not necessarily. I mean they wouldn't have chosen this but since it's there it's not necessarily the worst thing to talk about because you got to keep keep in mind on one hand. Donald trump's making these gaffes but all this week the presumptive frontrunner of the democratic party has made some very major gaffes himself and so when they're thinking about the campaign which of course they are. Maybe they're thinking let's keep it on less substantial things and keep it in this gaffe round because we don't necessarily have deficit well. There's always that balance. I think it's a fair point to consider as you say whether or not it's deliberate to. I don't want to turn this discussion to you. Know a tease for what else is in the broadcast tonight but we have a special report tonight on the way the trump administration's gutting payday loans and trying to protect abusive financial essential lenders. I think that's the story they might not on the air. It'll still be on the air tonight. We have a congressman talking immigration. We try to cover a lot of things here and yet juanita. We know that the president doesn't liked to be humiliated and yet he seems to have self owned here. Take a look at the way it's playing in late night. This was the original chart it which did not include alabama and this is what trump showed us today with alabama. Don't get me wrong. I'm impressed that trump can locate locate alabama on a map but still louis this. I mean after this. I have to wonder if his high school report card was legit. I really did juanita which you'll notice. Most of those clips of late night jokes didn't involve a lot of writing or addition. It was just sort of showing people watching a comedy show. This is the president and that's exactly what it is. This is the president who just can't seem to fathom using the words. We got it wrong. He will do anything to say face will do anything to protect his ego and even if it means force-feeding this false information to the american public what i think should be alarming to most people is that he is continuously pressing this message at what point sure it can be as a distraction but in reality it's because he believes it. He really wants to to drive this home and we should all be long by that because i'm sure this is the same approach like at the end of the day. Trump is commander in chief. He is the one who controls our military forces. He's the one in the situation room and his approach to this is probably being mirrored in those other situations so this as a lot of red flags for the american public that he is doubling down on this and force feeding this narrative to the american public when american's lives are at risk right now. That's the part that's really bizarre and i don't know how much you follow follow bill cairns who was on just before you but he's not into what you might call political tweets or sassy tweets. If you know the term right yes he's a less sassy tweeter than you. As far as i know and yet take a look at what he felt compelled to do. In his role as mu geologist he writes to the president. Sorry today is not about you. We have a billion billion dollar weather disaster unfolding in south carolina and north carolina where does that fit in the idea that apart from any other political analysis <hes> it's hard for donald trump to watch something that really is about the serious act of governing and preparation and dealing with hardship and not not inserting himself right well. I mean look we've seen him. Do this. A many times before some things that had less consequences like <hes> <hes> you know the the inaugural attendants and then there are a host of other things where he's just simply a lied about stuff often then refused to back down off. I mean i think you know the question is really is like how much will this ultimately hurt him with the american public for a lot of us. We're we're like yeah. This is par for the course and of course in this instance. There's a real danger that people could be in jeopardy because they actually listened to the president president and take him seriously or literally as it were but you know i think it speaks volumes that it is politicizing people like like weathermen in meteorologist in that respect and so i mean maybe it'll have some greater impact beyond this. It's it's genuinely bizarre. Though yeah <hes> salmon juanita my thanks to both of you. We're gonna fit in a break and come back in just thirty seconds. Donald trump's new plan taking disaster money to pay for the border wall congressman anthony brown here key to roger stone has agreed to testify as a government witness at that big trial and later a former f._b._i. Agent who spent eight years infiltrating white supremacist groups here and tonight something. We're very excited about my special interview with award-winning novelist salman rushdie. We're gonna talk trump at a whole lot more more and we'll be back in just thirty seconds. This episode is brought to you by cox with contour t._v. From cox you can find all your favorites all in one place it does it have the youtube you bet el what about that netflix thing netflix too and although superhero movies movies contour has all the latest titles on demand. Oh my grandkids love that big green guy. I prefer the one with the hammer myself okay okay. I think we're done here now. Get all your favorite apps shows and movies right on tv from cox. It's official. Donald trump wants americans to pay for the border wall and today we're learning the pentagon is now formerly directing acting four hundred million dollars that was designed to serve as island recovery for the devastation from hurricane maria well. That's going elsewhere the administration the station also taking money from military projects all over the country. You're looking at just some of the headlines we found on all of this today. Even donald trump's allies over at fox news are saying well. There's at least one obvious problem for him. Politically which is this is all drawing clear attention to how he broke a promise and they're saying he should have never promised mexico would fund the wall trump rage elementary schools to pay for a wall mexico off the hook right. The president never should've said mexico's gonna pay for the wall. All louie says they're going to get it in fees at border crossings. I think he did think initially that <hes> he would find a way for mexico to pay for it but as we know that did not work congressman. Anthony brown of maryland joins me to military projects. There are being canceled to help fund this wall. I given in your role in that local representation aspect before we get to everything else is this good for your constituents is a good for maryland. Now first of all are it's actually three. It's bad for my constituents. It's bad for maryland and it's bad for the country. One of them is a childcare center this. Is you have children right now. Who are in a world war. Two era a building that's dilapidated. We would have built capacity given them a modern a facility but instead we've got families whose children will now be on a wait list and they're going to spend spend ten thousand dollars more per family per child <hes> for childcare because donald trump wants to build a wall it impacts morale and which impacts military readiness and sometimes we have to do is hold officials accountable. Take them at their word even if they lie a lot. I wanna play for your for your response. The president then candidate trumps claims about who would pay for the wall. Take a look believe me mexico's else paying for the wall. Okay that's win. If i become president mexico will pay for the wall and by the way mexico will pay for the wall. They will pay that. I could tell mexico's sagoes going to pay for the wall. They don't know it yet. They don't know starting to have a very good idea but that's okay and mexico is going to pay for the wall and they'll be happy to do are democrats going to hammer that aspect of this. There's what he is taking the money from you spoke to that but there's also a what looks to be one of the the greatest now most famous broken promises in modern american history now. We're actually gonna do that because mexico's not paying for the wall. It's the american tax payers but i think it's important to put a face on. Who's really paying for it. It is that family with a child who now no longer as military child care it is that special forces <hes> unit in europe. No longer has a facility to support their important and most often dangerous mission. <hes> it's the residents and servicemembers in puerto rico. You mentioned this in the in the opening <hes> who are not going to have a power generation plant that was destroyed in hurricane. Maria restored award with that funding <hes> so that's who's actually paying for it and that's the face of of the people who are impacted by the president's misleading statement throughout his his campaign. Why have you wanna ask on immigration. Is you know a lot of controversy and some backtracking about people inside the united states awaiting healthcare sometimes as for life threatening conditions a._c._l._u. and civil rights groups are now filing against the trump administration with a lawsuit. They're calling it. A quote abrupt termination of this long standing program protects seriously. Ill people from deportation what they call the risk of death the administration's action they argue is unconscionable also illegal your view of that suit route and what do you and democrats in congress intend to do about this issue right well. Listen congress is going to stay vigilant on whether it's the military construction project issue issue or whether it's this healthcare and immigration issue and we also know that there are many lawsuits pending against this administration ranging from the border wall <hes> to we saw a <hes> a recent case on the citizenship question and now on healthcare and immigration so those battles and need to happen in the courts awards but it's not a substitute for the work that congress has to do so whether we're using our oversight role <hes> appropriations and we've got appropriations coming up this month in september as we pass a budget. We've gotta use all the tools available to make sure that we're holding this administration accountable carson brown. Thank you as always good to talk with you. Thanks sorry up ahead. There's important hearing on white supremacist violence in america today. We have a former f._b._i. Agent who actually infiltrated those very groups here here tonight. That should be an interesting discussion. Also my special report tonight on how donald trump is not only profiting off the presidency but the way the swamp is growing affecting acting american consumers but first a new setback for roger stone's trial his wingman ready to testify against him that important muller story is next developments in this pending case from the muller pro prosecutors now planning to make roger stone's wingmen testified his trial in november witness is named andrew miller now he fought a muller subpoena for a year and he's worked for stone for about a decade including joining him the 2016 eighteen g._o._p. Convention a period when trump was taking over the republican party and fallout continued from those russian hacks to help donald trump testimony rounds out prosecutors excuses plans. They'll use him and randy credit go to argue that stone knew what he was doing when he allegedly obstructed the mueller probe and tampered with witnesses stone was arrested on a seven count indictment obstruction five counts of false statements including lying to congress about wikileaks and then one count of witness tampering against the potential witness and now how confirmed witness randy critic. Mr stone has not pleaded has pleaded not guilty. I am joined by former federal prosecutor john flannery good to see you sir good to see you you here we are this is a reminder to everyone that cases take time trump. Miller has closed up shop. Some people he targeted are in jail like mr cohen and mr manafort others awaiting trial like mr stone. Who is we mentioned is legally presumed innocent. What does it tell you that the prosecutors who continue muller's work work. I have zeroed in basically on these two witnesses mr miller who's less known and mr credit co who who some viewers may remember well they identified them in the indictment i mean not by name but person one and person to and it was pretty clear <hes> what they had to say and you've had <hes> an interesting exchanges mr coursey in the past asked about how you told the truth about his lies and the lies were to you know get the senate and house off what really happened there which is what communications on how they were made with wiki leaks and gay could have anticipated unknown when the trench of documents was gonna come down particularly the doc tober seventh <hes> developments and then <hes> credit co is in a position who have actually had <hes> assange who's now sitting in the london tower as has a guest on his show and we're waiting until next year for assange to come to america and so we have stone who's in the past that he liked to have assange come and testify perform but he has another witness he could use could ask mr trump to come for him. I'm sure you would like that. I think when it comes to credit co though you know our job is not just to look at the negative information and we've covered there is a lot of negative stuff on mr stone but also to look at what his defense counsel will be able to do they will try to show a kind <music> of ridiculousness or a silliness to all of this in the same way that we hear sometimes people say oh. The defendant said words that sound bad but they weren't serious. They weren't literal. They weren't knowing they. Weren't you know serious. They were if nothing else jokes. Listen to what randy critical told me when i pressed him really on well. Why did this all happen. Why was roger lying to the feds about him and others. Take a look now that the probe is over. Do you have any idea why it was important to roger roger to blame you for something. That muller found involved coursey conundrum inside a riddle inside a rubik's cube. I really do not know why he had to do that. If he had just told the truth he wouldn't be. I wouldn't be here today none of us. I don't know why he went before the house intel committee mitty he could have been folk to fifth. There's no reason to do it don't you. Don't you think that mr stones lawyers will have some <unk> argument on their side to say wasn't that serious and to really go at these witnesses including krittika well. I think that what you have there is it was better to have critical look like he was the player because <hes> to go with coursey brought it closer to <hes> stone so i think that he was a sacrifice and he said he couldn't understand understand it but that's the way i think these people operate and <hes> of course he was in communication supposedly with credit kota having access to assange which appears to have been established and other means and you talk about you know is this all a joke and the trouble with that <hes> theory of defense is that there are are so many communications and so many questions and i do wonder if the <hes> cohen conversation that he overheard between stone and trump will find his way in as a similar similar act or part of a big. That's a that's a big interesting. What my last question for you is. Do you think roger stone would would take the stand and should he. I wouldn't put him on the stand. I'll tell you why in every case civil and criminal when you put the client on the stand they make real things things that are questionable so if the theory of the defense in this case is to beat up the government and say the smock knicks. There's nothing here then oh what they should do. Is you keep off the standard ceo the he didn't show their case particularly if they hurt the witnesses. Who have you know they've been on both sides of these issues at different times and you're right. That's the damaging thing for jury to hear but you know birds of a feather flock together and that's what juries also decide. Would you be willing to come back and covered the case with us when it goes to trial. Oh yeah are you kidding. Keep stick. I would like that. I think some of our viewers hopefully would too because john flannery. A former federal prosecutor knows his way around kind of trials. Thank you sir. Thank you nice to be with you. Nice to have you appreciate it now. Coming up something i've been promising for you guys a special report sportsnight on what lobbyists are getting out of the trump administration after spending big at his own durao resort and later a former f._b._i. Agent who actually infiltrated white supremacy <unk> groups is here congress holding key hearing today an later another special interview what a show tonight salman rushdie on the be on trump and truth his first time here that's coming up networks special report tonight on policy and profiteering in the trump era congress has already probing the potential corruption and donald trump pushing his own florida hotel the host the next g seven summit. It's another other in a string of examples of donald trump trying to profit off his government job. Industry groups have also been following trump's lead report tonight focuses on an industry. That's gotten gotten quite a bit less attention than other issues these days payday lenders and their lobbyists have spent a million dollars trumpster our resort for their annual conferences sending ending prophets to trump with a tab featuring steak and shrimp entrees at an open bar and durrell has a bottle of trump's sparkling wine from monticello that goes for eighteen dollars a glass now these payday lenders aren't just to use. Maybe a new phrase partying bill bar which is when you spend money at a trump trump hotel to impress trump. They're also getting money. Thanks to trump policies and that's the important part of this special report. Let me walk you. Through this the month before these lobbyists convention at durrell trump official running a key consumer protection bureau gutted regulations that protect consumers that could protect most americans from potential abused by these same payday lenders. They ended a rule that restricts payday lenders from preying on people who can't afford and there are loans in the first place trump administration also backing lenders in a lawsuit gunning for many of those same protection rules now this this is all about how these companies their financial institutions target vulnerable lower income people who are desperate to get money fast fast when we say money in time we mean money when you needed up to ten thousand dollars in your bank account by tomorrow based on trusting you with no security you have any kind gestures signature money really does grow on trees but it doesn't grow on trees you could say it falls from trees along along with some very heavy burdens for paying that money back which is why as you may remember then professor elizabeth warren proposed a bureau to protect against exactly this kind of abuse and then ed president obama embraced millions of american families are hemorrhaging money right now today date and tomorrow and next week on tricks and traps in predator products. We're going to fix that. The consumer financial protection bureau will be a watchdog for the american consumer charged with enforcing the toughest financial protections in history. Now that was the bureau the president obama tasks warren to run republican senators though blocked or nomination which actually in a footnote to history freed up her time to run for office where she defeated feed it a republican senator and pave the way for current presidential campaign as a side note. It's one mitch mcconnell strategy that totally backfired on him but meanwhile on these policies you have the trump administration trying to limit that same bureau that warren helped create from continuing this work that warne and obama and other experts said is so vital to protect detect so many americans now. This problem has no partisan colors payday lenders prey on people in states red and blue. They've set off debt cycles for most consumers because about eighty percent percents these loans basically rollover and forced new costs on the borrowers now about twenty states already have made the most abusive payday loans illegal twelve million americans still get caught up in the middle and the huge fees go back to these lenders to the tune of five billion dollars now big picture. This is a classic test of whether the law aw protects you regardless of how much money you have. That warren has of you here. She argues these lenders shouldn't even be allowed to loan out what they know. People cannot afford to to pay back. Basically the argument is they're using their financial power to trap you potentially loan fees that are larger than the original loans. The people even ask for like so many americans preacher. Mary love knows what it's like to be tight on cash so when she started to fall oh behind on her rent she went for quick fix. Things quickly spiraled out of control. She says she couldn't repay the loan because the interest rate was far too high for her on her four hundred dollar loan. She ended up paying one thousand four hundred twenty dollars in interest alone about a year later. That's more than three hundred percent three times what she i corrode. That's also not fair. You don't need to be a financial expert to understand. The experts know what they're doing. They're taking advantage advantage of people who sometimes don't this is the key part. This is what makes payday loan so dangerous even a small what they call principal with this crazy high <hes> interest rate adds up very quickly and because these terms are basically hidden in formulas laid out in all kinds of tricks like counting weeks instead of years. Well people get confused used now. This is a trick that democratic congresswoman katie quarter illustrated when she was grilling. Donald trump's pick to lead this bureau zero if you could even ballpark on a two hundred dollar loan for a term of two weeks with a twenty dollar origination fee and a rate of ten dollars per one hundred that is ten percent ballpark. What is the a._p._r. And i'm telling you that the a._p._r. Calcutta no is is a math exercise and the question but the clinton am. I going need to pay off the turmeric claiming they take us to a no that you cannot do the calculation know that you can't do the calculation that little moment actually went enviro because the question exposes the problem if the experts are trump's appointee can't even say how these loans work then. Maybe it's not fair to trap people in i and then threatened them with bankruptcy for something. Lenders shouldn't have pushed in the first place now. This protection bureau was supposed to patrol that kind of abuse and it did under the obama obama director. It got results taking forty three million dollars a week back from those financial interests in plowing towards consumers. That's a figure that absolutely crash by over ninety percent now. The trump's director is in charge the difference there well. It's over forty million dollars. That's what with these payday. Lenders are celebrating at trump's resort and what's a few hundred thousand dollars in fees an eighteen dollar glass of sparkling trump wine in comparison into the millions. These groups are now saving getting back earning under donald trump's policies protecting them. This is a sorry scene. It is literally early millionaires celebrating money extracted from some of the poorest americans to tricky loans that shouldn't have been offered in the first place that is what these swamp looks like back when it has no shame now up ahead we have more in tonight's show including this growing supremacy violence crisis a key hearing in in congress today and a former f._b._i. Agent infiltrated some of these groups is here with me and then later as promised something we're very excited about the award winning world famous novelist salman rushdie makes makes his debut on the beat a day house. Democrats are doing what they claim. The trump administration won't to address. This is growing threat documented around our country of white. Supremacist violence considered the owner of the website. H chan is now testifying after facing a subpoena by lawmakers noting that three of the acts of white supremacist violence were linked to that very website this year alone. There's been a wave of mass shootings drive by extremists this type of hate. You can think about el paso about california think about internationally the issues in new zealand well. My next guest has special insights into this. Mike german is a former f._b._i. Agent spent years infiltrating white supremacist hate groups the f._b._i. Now says forty percent of the eight hundred and fifty domestic terror cases. They're investigating relate to race or religion. This is an exclusive interview. Mike germans here and i should mention his new book is disrupt discredit and divide how the new f._b._i. Damages democracy. It's coming out next week so great to have you. Let's get right into this. <hes> what is important understand about this growing threat well. I think the most important thing to understand that this moment is is that the u._s. Department of justice doesn't even know how many people white supremacists kill each year and that's because they have through a matter of policy deep prioritized the investigation and prosecution of white supremacists crimes for decades now and it's really important that congress is now taking taking these steps and having a number of hearings to try to understand what it is. We haven't been looking at over the last couple of decades. So how do we know what we know for example example. I'm going to show folks from the data. We do have the rise in in some of these incidents. You have this thirty five percent increase in what they call right. Wing extremists related killings that's a._g. L. you're saying the government hasn't caught up with that kind of tracking right. The government does not keep an official count so it's they rely on private groups like the defamation league and some academic institutions like the star program at the university of maryland's extremist crime database database and they do is as good a job as they can but they can only identify crime if the police have already identified it as a crime or the media has identified it as a crime time related to white supremacist violence but we have to understand that half of the violence in the united states today goes unsolved and that insurance fort forty percent of the murders orders in the united states go unsolved and because the justice department has this policy of deep prioritizing the investigation of white supremacists crimes. We don't know how much a chip that violence is related to to these groups. What did you learn when you were actually infiltrating. These groups drove these people. Was it a turning point. It could never they can never turn back it was it was a very complex movement is one of the things i understood. There are a lot of different groups that might have the same goal of a racially pure white ethnics society <hes> but they have different ideologies philosophies and even theologies that justified his behavior and there's an awful lot of friction between them and discontent between them where they don't get along with each other and a lot of the violence involved in these groups oops is intergroup violence <hes> the other thing i learned about and i understand better than <hes> than a lot of other terrorists and researchers researchers is the association between white supremacist violence and state violence. We have to understand that these ideologies aren't some some fringe element of our society. They were actually founding principles of our country that justified slavery justified european colonization justified justified the the genocide of indigenous people and really up until just recently justified jim crow laws and dan systematic racial discrimination so it's really only in our recent history that w- that we've even enshrined civil rights in law in a way that would that would that would suppress these ideologies yeah. It's well laid out a serious problem. You've got a lot of experience on it and the book wall sad is hopefully a timeline part of the solution. I should mention again for folks interested disrupt discrediting divide how the new f._b._i. Damages democracy new for my german next week our thanks again fitting in a break and then turning to something very excited about acclaimed author. Someone rushdie not afraid to speak his mind. I'm going to get into politics truth and his new book when we come back often feels more divided than ever and many turn to music culture art and literature these sometimes not always to escape from our reality but even to better understand reality and there may be few better to answer all of those kind of questions and my very next guest who's out with a brand a new book exploring the outlandish world of savante don quixote but set in the middle of a troubling american landscape. That may be familiar to people watching right now. This is salman rushdie author fourteen novels winner of the man booker prize. The new book is kiesha shortlisted for the booker prize so great to have have you here on the beat. Thank you sir. Thank you delighted to be here. Let's start with all of these parallels. What were you thinking of in today's politics and in culture in writing the book this way the novel i wrote before took place almost entirely in new york city and when i finished it i thought next time get out out of town. I really wanted to do something which was more panoramic. Look at america not just something written from my hometown by the accident. I chance to read again. The survivors novel don quixote in that it made me think that variation of that character would be a very helpful full guide to what's going on because the thing about him my character key shots as well as iran character is that they have a kind of sweetness to them. They have a kind of innocence and optimism to them and i thought if i could take this is kind of holy fool this innocent optimistic man this dreamer send him mileage against across the country that may not be having its most optimistic moment the contrast would be. I hope illuminating. I wanna read a passage from your book. That interests us frankly because it could be about politics but i'll let you explain it. You're right it was the age of anything can happen. He reminded himself. There were no rules anymore. It was no longer possible to predict the weather for the likelihood of war or the outcome of elections anything can happen. What are you getting there. Well i really think we do live in this strange moment and in which not just in america also in britain also in india these three countries that i've spent my life thinking about in all of them. It's as if the rules rules of the game have have decayed so nobody we don't know anymore how things work why things work. Why do things happen the way they do. A ah the unexpected happens every day things that you would have thought impossible. A couple of years ago are now everyday reality you can into make a political point. You can have a president who wants to bomb hurricanes with nuclear weapons. That's something which if i had presented that idea to a publisher for a short story they would have said that's. That's really not convincing. Good think of something plausible so implausible. Things are now everyday reality and i think it's a lot of people bewildering greg delivered this world whether on rules nobody knows what the new shape of the world will be well. You say that we have those conversations didn't at a humble humble level. We're not writing literature here but as we put together the stories in the in the news rundown as they call sometimes yes. It does feel like well. That's that's absurd no wait. That's what's happening something else. Serious in the book is <hes> the plotline deals with the opioid crisis. How important is that add in your understanding of american culture today well. I think it's a testimony in many ways to the breakdown of some of these values that weekly bi i've been talking about and also the kind of loneliness of america europe people many people leading very isolated lives and seeking sucker in these kinds ends of these kinds of of drug i had myself in my own life a couple of close people who died from opioid abuse and so for me it's kind of personal including my youngest sister about twelve years ago how to at at the very young age forty five had a heart attack and it was clear afterwards opioid abuse had been really major cause of that so i've been following are digging into that story for a while. Now you know let me for a decade now that i felt ready to write about it. That's that's very striking and it's something that affects people's those lives and that is you know there's of course still a stigma about even discussing. He's someone that people kind people struggle with that on the politics. You mentioned comedy. I think literature. I think also cartoons yes can sometimes go deeper and even be a little tougher than what we go ahead. No some people have said these days that satire is dead because realities weirder than satire but actually. I think i'm grateful to t._v. Comedians sean's too late night hosts who i think sometimes that comedy let's go deeper into the matter and actually cut deeper evil truthful. It's ways so i'm hoping that comedy for me is also a vehicle towards the truth. Well you mentioned the truth. I think that's a fitting getting place for my final question. I want to read again from the from the book which we mentioned is is fiction but you write about a wholly imaginary chief executive who was obsessed by cable news who pandered to a white supremacist base and if people know anything about you. I think it would be you. Take no prisoners winners. You're not afraid of political intimate nation to be sure and you have an incisive mind so i wonder what do you think is still not fully understood or is worth reckoning with about this real life president donald trump well. I one thing that i think that what mr trump is doing here. That is similar to what's happening in britain and what's even what's happening in india. Is that it all three places leaders. Inventing a mythology of a false passed occurred of golden age. You know that if we could only get back to that everything would be good make america great again you want to ask. When exactly was that was it was it last week was it before slavery was abolished was it before the civil rights movement was before with another vote when was america great in the way that we should get back to in the midst of the golden age is always a myth boris johnson right behind britain is trying to sell the idea of a golden age of england that could be restored with only all these inconvenient farmers would go away. Mr moody in india has tried to sell the idea of an ancient golden hindu age which has been ruined by the presence presence muslims all three of doing the same thing that inventing a history in order to justify actions in the present and i think that's dangerous. It's a profound point and it's also illustrative of the fact that if your campaign promises and you never have to be called on it because you're not running on anything real to begin with <hes> given us a lot to think about salman rushdie. Thank you so much against in again. Mentioning book key shot is out now. Thank you sir. Thank thank you and that does it for tonight show. I think we had a lot. I will mention tomorrow. We have a very special guest who's making headlines and says if if they win donald trump won't even get to run for president. We'll explain more tomorrow at six p._m. If you tune in new for the press chuck todd cast it's an insider's take gun politics the two thousand twenty election and more candid conversations with some of my favorite reporters about things. We usually discuss off camera. Listen for free wherever you get your podcast.

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Sign Spinning Champ

Bob and Sheri

1:32:50 hr | 1 year ago

Sign Spinning Champ

"This ohio's a very dear plays in my heart the bob and sheri show with bob. I'm wearing pants and sherry appear now broadcasting from the palatial bob and sheri studios. It's bob and sheri. I'm also wearing a new shirt shirt. Just this got. It's like a hawaiian shirts a little bit like a hawaiian shirt but it's very <hes> monochromatic. I got it at that untuckit store. You know where you stand up. Let me look yup. Looks good because i'm i'm not tall. If i tried to wear assured out it looked really long and stupid on me or you'd have to have taylor. Not wanna have to pay that money so i went into that untuckit store and it's pretty cool. I bought it online. This is not a commercial is just where i got it. I predict that years from now we will look back at photographs of ourselves and the guys in a lot of the photographs are going to look really stupid and frumpy. We are sloppy or sloppy because remember the guy that used to work with us here and <hes> he would wear he would come in. He be so proud proud of himself. He'd be wearing a suit and tie that was undone and his shirt would not be tucked in. It would be out but it would be so long. It was like down to his knees. He s he just he. Sometimes we guys we take a look at something like on g. Q. and we say that guy looks really cool but that guy only only only consumed celery and carrot juice. All the closer tailored just for he just for the guy. I predict that that look that very few guys until they started making shirts like the one i have on could pull off is going to be kind of like you know. The eighties look where a guy might have. I've acid washed jeans and big white sneakers and a mullet a mullet and a and a bomber jacket. Yeah you know how you look at that and you go. Oh that's yeah that's the how could you wear something like well. At the time you felt so cool wearing something like that. I think that that look that i described wearing the shirt shirt out of an loosened tie <hes> and it's mainly because the shirt is just too long will be that sort of an eighties. He's touchtone to art. I always wonder like when i'm when something is really trendy. I always wonder like what's this going to look like ensures yeah yeah yeah. <hes> you know speaking speaking of close my older daughter <hes> came to me and said mom target. Has these really cute overalls. We should get matching pairs and be twins twins. She said that to us so we did and we have higher matching outfit. Yeah she is the only teenage girl in the history of tonnage girls world world and that's why i had to say yes to it so we could totally twin overalls or coming back in the i love sexy i love. I love like a farmer would where i love a woman that wears denim overalls and like tank top yeah i love. I've always loved overall su. Well yeah it. Was you know you wanted to say overalls and no talk didn't you well max was over there and nothing else and i'm like keating cop could really work at bikini topper. Yeah oh oh. I bet you watch the didn't you the hee haw honeys yeah. They always wore those i i love. I've always always always loved overall the ones that <hes> living and i got that were twinning in are not denim linen but they are so comfy and cute and we look adorable in them together. I am the only overalls. Aren't you worried about being a little bit well. I mean more. I need some. They had pockets doc. It's the whole my lacroix. I needed them <hes>. I know that i'm the only mom of a girl that age where the girl is like. Let's dress alike so you better ah i've never seen a teenage girl dressed like her. Mom never you better believe. I jumped on that and screw. It and you posted some pictures no mm-hmm. We didn't take any pictures. I guess we should this. You know there's it's a weird thing. If i didn't do this for living there would be no photographs of me. I would be like the person who never existed there. I am i take because i take all the family photos and i think this is the thing that happens for a lot of women because i took a picture last week of my niece brittany with violet her little girl and text it to brit and she was like oh my god thank you for this. I'm never in any pictures. It's like i don't exist but some money that can happen. That's right. Hey you should put on your matching overalls and then go to olivia and say what a join us watch. Those eyes roll back livia that as the matching overalls was thought it was cara mia. Oh no no. You're kidding nope too low. I thought it was karen me. I just saw her doing the mother. These are so cat kerala uh long time and i said i'm not gonna wait to be asked twice for that. That's great. She could take him to college allege. I know i'm sorry i brought that up. Do you know that that's happening. In ten days ten days she moves in ten days joh- aw that's kinda early isn't it yeah and we've been buying stuff like you know you need those special dorms stuff right right right dorm staff every everywhere you go like bed bath and beyond places like that that's because of the only people who are in there right now will care me and i were vintage shopping the other day at like this <hes> warehouse of booths where people sell all sorts of cool stuff. <hes> and livia has a fetish for mugs and i found on this giant mug. It's all pictures of elvis and on the inside made of ceramic is a pair of blue suede shoes so that when you drink your tair whatever finish your drink you see elvis blue suede shoes was seven bucks. I bought it for older or now. It's very early so i got her that so she could have because she collects weird mugs. I got her that to take to her dorm and i'm trying really hard and i think i've done a good job of not being weepy. Don't you think i'm trying really hard to get with the program ten days one days yeah ten days. I'm gonna finish the show show and i'm going to get an in ten days. I'm going to it's a thursday. I'm gonna finish the show and i'm gonna get in my car and i'm going to drive to school and move my daughter into her dorm and then i'm going to scrape shattered pizzas and put them in a styrofoam cup drive home with them like she's going to school in mountains of switzerland with no far away. It's bob and sherri sherri named again. This year is one of the most influential women in radio years bob and sheri yeah go ahead this is this is really interesting. Stranger things the t._v. Show which was such a smash which i love it's so interesting <hes> it's season three and it has a lot of scenes with jonathan developing developing photos and apparently young people were totally confused by because they've never used film and they don't know what a darkroom midst younger these so-called people <hes>. I'm not sure probably teens tweens yeah something like that that that someone someone asked online in a form that he had no idea what the weird quote red room was all about quote he puts the photo in water and somehow this makes it more clear western and why would they know about a darker because even professional photographers today the day for the most part used digital right. I guess the reason that i'm kind of like what is because my my kid does photography and did darkroom in high school okay but it's dave that and you wouldn't know really wouldn't know what was going on. There are certain things and we've talked about this before. There are certain wouldn't things that goto cultural literacy that i feel like you're supposed to learn now. Do you think that's one of them. Yeah i do i really where where would they see a scene or what things now side of stranger things all right well movies old it would have to be old movies and and that's going to be hit and miss but even in the day when that was what they did a lot of people didn't know they just dropped it off at the drug store pictures two weeks <hes> yeah. I feel like there are certain things we should know like for for example. I drive a mom van but i know what a coniston gle wagon is yeah but burned his. You're going to see a contest though still go wagon more often than a darkroom. You're going to see it in cowboy movies even if you're just having a cursory look at what's on t._v. Right but a darkroom is a different thing. I mean that's like a night nineteen. Forties nineteen fifties sort of a lot of young kids watched stranger. Things and i would guess for a lot of those kids. That's their first exposure yeah like what is that person doing in that dark reddish room. Well you know my youngest child has asked me just within within the past week if she could have a rotary dial phone and i said to her okay. How do you propose host use it and she said i'll use it to make calls mc water. You're gonna plug it into. We don't have our house. The problem is if you you have to call somebody that has three nine in their phone number. It takes forever without redick. Come back around at his so true. She would like to have a rotary dial phone. You know what my youngest said to me just the other day. She said the bobbin shares show. It must be pretty good. It's been nominated for this award. I swear to god. I feel any better. Paul mccartney was interviewed start. Who's grandkids and they they. They totally dissed him. They they had no idea what he accomplished. He says it's only when i was in public and people wanted to take their picture with me. Did they give me any any sort of props on that but as far as they grandfather they don't have the context we have for him. How hold with kids do you have any idea like around six the eight. It's probably about the right if he's going through it. There's no hope for the rest of the are you hiring with indeed. You can post a job in minutes set up screener later questions than zero in qualified candidates in an online dashboard get started at indeed dot com slash higher. It's bob and sheri. I try to always keep in mind that i don't want to become that guy who takes his wife for granted. You know i don't wanna wanna look like a bom when we go out <hes>. I still want to hold the door for her. I want to hold the door when she's getting in the car. I try to keep it going that way like when we were dating but every once in a while your weather all the time and i've been married nine years now many gather for ten years you know so you get a little bit. Shall we say more relaxed. <hes> i texted this to her yesterday good morning and and then i put the sun i i used this one son of the happy signer nuts on glasses. It's no it's the son that has a like a peaceful look on his face. You know that one yeah it's not a happy son but it's glowing to peaceful peaceful son so i always use it. When i say good morning so it's good morning peaceful son and then i typed my lower mouthpiece fell out last night in the bed. Can you see if you can find it and then i texted her. Never thought a man would ask you that did you and then i have the emoji of the smiling face. That's upside down. He sent her her hunting for your retainer. Yeah i have a retainer my my dentist. You're you're grinding your teeth a little bit and that's not good your jaw will change blah blah blah so i have have to build you this retainer and it's a very nice one but evidently in the middle of the night the lowered its two piece is too sexy for you. It's a lot yeah <hes> <hes> it. It popped out for some reason and <hes> and landed in the sheets. Maybe you were dreaming about eating and see you're working. You're also yeah yeah anyway got up in the morning and i didn't want to disturb her by putting on lights and looking for it can't signed and i couldn't find it just padding so i asked her to retrieve it which shaw which she did. She did find it. She founded yes so all is well. It's just you know there's an instance mary where you don't wanna yell finders keepers i know you don't she just left it there by the way in the bed she didn't <hes> put it in my bathroom. <hes> it's just when you're dating someone when you never think that you will put her in a situation where she's looking for your mouth retainer yeah. I talked over seeing that in like romantic comedy. I try to keep some of the mystery alive my house because i think that that that's good yeah. There's no mystery left when you're when you're asking your wife after starting sheets for your tanneries you know a spooky thing happened. Tell me what you think. This is a very spooky thing happened to me at one. Oh eight this morning so my phone is. I use it as an alarm clock right so it's plugged in on the charger next to my bed. I have have a six digit pass code on the thing that no one knows not because i'm keeping it a secret but no one's ever asked and so no one knows what it is right right in the middle all of the night. I'm i'm in sound sleep. When i'm hearing beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep like what the heck and i opened my eyes and my my phone is lit up and it's on the the keypad. Were you dial the numbers ya and it's it's just dialing numbers at random by itself. That's strange and that means that the passcode had been used. Kevin is sound asleep next to me doesn't know the passcode somebody breached. The cats. Don't know the passcode. The dog doesn't know the pass code and so unlike what the heck so. I've never heard of that so i i immediately turn my phone off off <hes> not turn it off but i send like click it to make a ghost asleep again and then when i woke it up and tried to open it using the passcode iphone i phone disabled. Wait five minutes before trying again. Look totally weird so i decided it. This is <hes> the ghost of like one of my ancestors trying to get my attention so i immediately went and checked on the kids in their bedrooms and they were fine and the door was locked so perhaps not the ghost host of one of my ancestors trying to get my attention and i looked at it and i was so tired it was the middle of the night i went back to sleep and my alarm went off and my phone is working can find right now. What do you think it was. Don't know i was hoping one of your recent update. The the phone did a recent update iphones it did a software update doesn't isn't worth it usually tells you a software update and then you can do it later. I know mine doesn't automatically in it's possible either was is trying to do it or did do it and that might have been what was going on so here are options so far. I think there are three ghost of my ancestors. That was the first thing i taught automatic update which did not authorize. One of the pets knows my pass code number four some guy in russia trying to bust into your phone well. I hope he's a cat fancier who else it looks pictures of food and number five dancer at number five. It's apple because they've just decided you know what we can do. Whatever we want it. The weird like that have never seen that at all very very spooky. Morons in the news is next. It's bob and surrey individuals. Some people leave sherry. It's morons in the news. This is what happens when you get to cute with your kids kid's name when you're naming your child. I'm not gonna tell you this guy's name till the end of the story and i'm i'm not gonna tell you who the actors who tweeted twice about this guy all right. The guy is not well known except for being a thief he's twenty two year old guy in carter county tennessee and he was on the news last year after he violated his probation by stealing forty six road signs. The guy is a thief and he's got got a real thing a real jones for stealing roadsides forty six of them and so when this famous actor heard about it he tweeted about this well. The guy is in trouble once again. There's a warrant out for his arrest. He's stealing again. We don't know what but property again over a thousand in dollars. The sheriff's department is trying to track him down. The actor who tweeted about him is mark hamill and the guy's name the twenty two year old guys given name is luke sky walker like parrots use. His middle name is sky. I mean they're name is walker walker. Which is a common name loon they went. We're gonna call them luke walker and then one of them said it's. Let's make his middle name sky and he's ended ended up in trouble. I don't know if that if that's what did it but that's where he is well. Let's hope that he's going to course correct. I hope so young luke skywalker was a hot head in the movies. Due to the force is strong with this one a woman in fort lauderdale florida who is described in her police report as being nearly toothless bit a man man who forced his way into her apartment sixty one year old alice coleman woke up very very early to a fire alarm going off and when she opened her door a man pushed his way inside says the guy kept calling her mama and tell them everything would be okay. Allah said yeah well with the little teeth i got. I bit him good for you alice after she bit him she ran out of the apartment and he locked himself inside. She called police from her neighbors house and they arrested the intruder. Fitzroy martin named fitzroy morton on three felony charges and alice says she's going to be a whole lot more careful when she opens her door now instead instead of relying on her teeth. She's going to get a keizer good her luck going on and that's how does fitzroy spell his first name f._i._t.'s eh well. Let's stay in florida for today's more on of the day out of port charlotte. A lightning strike destroyed a woman septic tank and when the lightning hit the septic tank the toilet inside mary lou awards house exploded. It's the only toilet in her home. It was shattered gene shattered into hundreds of pieces mary. Lou said that toilet exploding was the loudest sound she ever heard and she also felt smelled so smoke the the plummer told her that lightning hit the methane gas that had built up in the pipes in her septic tank and now she's got to get her whole septic and toilet system repaired she she said i'm glad i wasn't sitting on it was injured. I was waiting for that text talk. I was waiting for that sound text the word war on two eight eight eight two six to seven four three seven. We'll send it right to your phone. You could never be the same after that. If you survived. I mean i i would think you could die. Yeah based on what you're telling us there. Even if you lived i something would be different about your body. Wouldn't you say well. You'd be one. You'd be different. I bet you suffer from constipation because you'd be one jump very human being yeah. That's right <hes>. There's a fellow in london who pays women to give him wedgies in public. He says it's his fetish <hes>. He's been arrested for doing that but he won't stop. I just if that was my fetish. I just don't. I don't think i could go up. I don't have that kind of confidence to walk up to a woman and say could you the could you give me a wedgie like don't say your name but point to like somebody's office where we were here all right okay yeah asks that girl to give you a wedgie. She would though you know she would. She'd give you register for free and laugh about it until all their girlfriends everyone everyone in the building yeah. You're probably see likes. He likes a wedgie. Glad i'm not that guy. I'd want to be known. I here's what you don't understand stan low. There's a difference between a preference and a fetish a fetish. His need for a wedgie is so strong. You can't control him scott to have it. I know it that's that's like a disease yourself a proper wedge no 'cause you know it's you and you and your you know it's coming best way g. for him. 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These are these being lanky guy having the time of his life you've and then you hear the sound change because they shoot speakers and bedrooms. It's being pumped into bedrooms. Oh that's just the old uh-huh. I forgot to tell you about something happen. At that wedding. I went to a couple of weeks ago. It's so embarrassing so <hes> wedding beautiful wedding outside up in in the mountains overlooking beautiful vista you know and the bride and the groom are <hes> the groom is is ready in the bright is about to be walked by her father down the while it's probably about a hundred people hundred twenty people and they're all situated on these folding beautiful folding chairs white white would chairs as very elegant and the flowers are <hes> behind where the ceremony is gonna take place with a beautiful view and so mary i'd got there just in the nick at time and <hes> it was very quiet. The only sound could here would be the birds chirping and they had to musicians guitarist and violinist playing <hes> classical music very softly in the background so we sit down and we're kind of in the back. I almost always like when i go to the movies. I always remember to turn off. Hello and i don't have any kind of funny <hes> songs on my staff a ring. I have a ring. I don't know how this happened. I sit sit down and all of a sudden on comes. Ask the nerd ask the nerd and it's on full freaking blast that commercial. I forget what the commercials for but question. Ask the nerd and it kept going. Did you realize right away that i thought it was somebody else and then. Mary turned me ghost. That's you and and i got it off but i like a hundred hundred on me laird of all things for it to pop out you know. There were people shooting video of that. Oh god didn't think of that and that they're now that is in there. Forever asked the nerd a why did you tell me that i'm sorry. Maybe maybe they're not shooting video too late. It's possible. Some people don't video at their weddings. No they had to video offers. I saw them. I just didn't and see them at the yeah. Of course they would have been doing that because they had the class and then because i mean like literally thirty seconds later. The bride came walking down well. Thank god oh yeah uh. Is there anyone here who can find a reason as can you imagine. How did you not know slither out of there and go home. How did you go to the reception caption. How did you stay well. Mary made you <hes> well fortunately and their works up for me this way. I knew almost no one there now now. They knew me at this point at least some of you. You were known as asked us the nerd yeah how did you how did you get over the nausea and the and the horror i'm still out. I'm talking to you about it now days later or a man that hates to be annoyed and irritated take by his cell phone. I still cannot understand why you never put that thing on silent where bye-bye rates the rest of us all do it. Here's the thing if you don't hear your phone ringing. You don't have to answer. One of those spam calls yes. That's true all right well. You know what i'll start doing that you should you should try. Just there's sometimes <hes>. I don't feel the vibration in my pants. That's the only problem and you know if you have family you want if they wanna be. That's one of the things about a cellphone. You're always up to date on what's going on. You can't remember to turn it on. Turn it off. Turn it on for that's exactly right then. I'll walk out of here in married later. I've been trying to get a hold of you all day. I forgot to turn volume back on. Maybe the solution to this problem could be found. If only only you would ask the nurse about. Can you believe that that was you. If that had been alleys wedding in that what happened you would be so sideways over that person oh yeah their phone. They would never be invited to anything through. We would talk about it every day the accident right snacks. You didn't mean it. Oh no i really meant it. I queued at right up to that just the is that what beliefs yeah that's true to share waco sharing named again. This year is one of the most influential women in radio years bobbin surrey. It's time now for bob and sheri small plates. These are stories that are very quick and we're going to go through them. Liberty split off the bat. Mario l. lopez apologize insensitive comments about transgender children. That's good now apologize for being mario lopez i've got. I don't think there's a new certain limit. Lemme see if you would do this. Would you do this. There's a service they're popping up all over the country awesome that lets you rent a strangers pool for the afternoon hours. <hes> that's an an option. I would think it's possible that their home this is long as they're not going to be there so they have to vacate. You're using their pool otherwise otherwise now. I'm now i'm waking. Conversations is the problem with that is you could if you were a thief. You could rent the house and then you could break into the house. Yeah i suppose so <hes> guy in michigan slapped a little caesars manager because they put italian seasoning seasoning on his pizza instead of parmesan and everyone knows that little caesars pizza has nothing to do with italy. The guy was right. I was right. You know that's that's a very good. <hes> postal worker phoenix took a picture of a steak cooking on his dashboard ashburn to show how insane the heat is that his co workers and he had to deal with. I mean it's it's been a it's been the hottest summer in the history of the planet house. Just just announced the other day. How would you dash have to be able to serious stake. What do you think makes you think it would be one hundred twenty five one hundred fifty dollars. It would be <hes>. I mean you could cook. It wouldn't fear it yeah. I don't think he was saying it yeah. He's right. I think it was just it was just cooking on the dashboard. Nonetheless raw county is one of the few things that has been dragged into my car and left i'm going to i'm not going to try this at home twenty the few things that happened. What is the hottest drink this summer. My wife drinks it now. I i've noticed that <hes> she is is not drinking one. No that is why white claw spiked seltzer. I don't like what i haven't tried it. What don't don't you like about it. I don't like the way it tastes. I like spikes seltzer. I just don't like what truly is the other but white claw is evidently number one the spike seltzer sales were up a hundred and sixty nine percent this summer. Why are they so popular. They're lighter than beer calorie and they are lowering calories. Yeah that's right. What is it what does it taste like vodka soda but get vodka and soda this spike sensors have grapefruit or lime name or mango or whatever so somebody says i've got good news and bad news. Which one do you choose you. Were with the majority of america's. Most americans wanna hear what you get out of the way. It's kind of like eating your meatloaf so that you can get your dessert right you. Just let's get this out of the way. It's gotta ought to be done voiding. I totally agree with you because if you take the good news i know what's coming. It's it's like the envel- over wildly coyotes head the good the news can help you recover from the bad news depending on how bad it is right but if you get your goodness i you're okay now for the bad news. Oh yeah i totally totally and let me see small plates here. Roger moore retired from being james bond at fifty eight years of age because quote the leading ladies were young enough to be my granddaughter and it becomes disgusting. I try dude. That actually look good. He pulled quoted off. These people don't like him. His james bond that he voted austin pulled it off. I saw him the other day on an old james bond movie somewhere. He's not wrong. But when do you ever hear an actor say something like that right. I mean it's it's been around for years. They he always had a guy who was like in his sixties and his twenty two twenty. You're exactly right. That's small plates for right now. Ladies gentlemen right here on the bob and sheri show because it's monday and we have a brand new episode of our casts dropping today today we discuss the great big hot mass anywhere you find your podcast and if bob and sheri dot com use the talk back to back each on the free bob and sheri app and leave us a message the famous old school comedian george burns who is married to gracie allen where who you know has the award the cherries one unlike a dozen times he wants said i love being in show business so much i i wish everybody could be in show business and i think we're getting closer closer and closer to that. Mary was at a service meeting last night and i went to the sports bar to get something to eat looking at the two screens on one of the screens there is a a major league baseball game and i was watching that and on the other screen you know the guys that stand on the sidewalk in front of shopping centers and the twirl those signs signs that have an arrow. Oh yeah yeah like for tax. Prep or expert or papa john's pizza or whatever it may be. That's it's a sport. They had competition on e._s._p._n. Eight they actually is a channel e._s._p._n. Eight there were guys and i mean there must have been twenty of them that i saw in this small stadium and people are going crazy. These guys are spinning these things things around around their back between their legs the gold crazy dance left and right and this one guy and he was a big guy he was rolling it hit a big stomach and he was rolling that that pointers side around his stomach. The crowd was going out of their mind and he was he was. I saw him crowned the champion. You can now be a famous champions sign spinner well. I mean from what you're describing. That's a skill they were ah initially i was going with. This is the biggest bunch of crap these are not athletes but then i stayed with it for a while and i thought you know what these guys are getting famous there. Our people coming to see them. God bless them. There's a dance studio in santa rosa california the teachers pole dancing and they post videos all the time on instagram and i watch those things i'm completely hypnotized by these poll dance videos and these are not shrimpers. No these are these are dancers and people people that are just working out and you'll see people learning how to climb up and dangle and hang upside down and you know what because that's wealth ralph looks really are. I think that you're right because right. After they crowned the champion signed spinner they went to another sport on this channel and i don't know what it's it's called but they had like a long <hes> slip and slide plastic thing these guys were climbing all right so there's little tiny steps and you see a guy would like looks like dawn detergent or something making it real slippery and these guys have helmets on and they race each other up and whoever gets to the top up you know gets a point or something like that now most of them slip and fall and go crashing down but that's another whole sport. Everybody wants to be famous. Everybody wants to be famous singer or an actor or twirler or whatever an athlete and you know. I guess if you're not good enough to play football or baseball spall. This is something that you can be proud of but don't you love this because it gives everybody a chance to be something that they can have some be good yeah yeah. That's exactly right. I mean it took. I guess it takes some practice. Not all of us are going to be great basketball players but but maybe there's something out there that you could do that you you. Can you really good at and have fun with well. Here's a woman who's really good at doing something and you know what she's good at. She's good at sounding like an automated voice and she recorded something. We're going to play for you right now. She pranked her friend. She called her franken voice. Tree voice voice tree voice max has visited. Here's what happened. Congratulations on your night. You are a winner we are trying to reach tyler are if you are tyler are please say yes you know the correct. I'm sorry let's try again. If you are tyler sir please say yes. I'm sorry i cannot understand you. Please nine the state. Your intrigued submitted. I heard wyoming you a clean <music>. I heard alabama. Try something nice press one four representatives. You press nine please. It's one representative. Please hold. I'm sorry her having difficulty contacting you. This is tyler or clean say yes yes. I heard alex incorrect correct. I'm sorry for the misunderstanding goodbye. She's good. You know what really sold sold it with. She did the name in a different sort of tone tyler tyler. I like what she said. Let's try something else that i've talked to before so i- voiced phone trees and when they say i can't understand you. I'm like that's what you do for a living donor. Could you understand in me yeah exactly a professional. Oh that's right. She was great all right. It's bob and sheri when you just wanted taste of bob and sheri text the word fun aside eight eight eight to sixty seven four three seven and we'll send it right to your phone. Sometimes i will see a news headline and just shake my head and say what's the likelihood that i'm in this situation. Here's the headline if you don't want a seagull to steal your food stare at them. A new study we found that seagulls hate to be stared at. I saw that i saw the so i go to the beach a fair amount nice sandwich sandwich on task. You're there with a nice tuna fish sandwich. What's the likelihood that i'm eating the tuna fish sandwich and there's a menacing siegel that really really wants my sandwich and i'm going to get into steer off thing. There's a hundred percent chance that the bird is gonna come for your sandwich now whether or not you take off your glasses and get into staring contest. There's not there's not one hundred percent chance every time at the beach bretons eagles go after your food well. I don't often have a tuna the fish sandwich at the but yeah any anytime anyone anywhere near me has food here. Come the goals every single time are are you going to a beach near a garbage dump max this experience every single yes. I don't think they come in. They get the food. Are you going to a beach restoration ration- hardware where they snow but i go to and they say you shouldn't feed the seagull. Now that's right. Why did they say that by the way why did they say you should not feed the sales sales because it encourages the come back and you're feeding them whatever you're feeding. Them is probably not good for them. God if you're a lobster fisherman. This is news though isn't it. You're out there. These goals are following share the you just stare them down. That just makes me think of the hitchcock movie the birds have you ever seen the birds all the way through. You've seen the movie all the way through not too long ago. I watched it with one of the kids yup. Do you think it holds up. It's a hitchcock movie. The story does is the effects are the effects are are hard. Yeah effects are terrible. They're not scary at all. Do you remember you and i were in <hes> outside of santa rosa databa- bodega bay california. That's where that was shot and we saw the scary <hes> house that still there. Here's why here's music from. Here's what you are so good. I don't know how you do it. Here's what held up for me. In the birds. The effects are terrible by our standards today right right the idea that some seemingly benign aspect of the natural world could suddenly become aggressive and malevolent and you have have no understanding why or how where it's gonna end or what you're gonna do about it now. That's scary well. We're experiencing that it's called apple. Oh well yeah. I mean yeah. It's called alexa but that's nine nine. Alexa alexa is like the birds a little bit. It's not nature. It's like if you walk outside and suddenly like all of the things that are around you but hidden him from you. Possums raccoons foxes all of that if suddenly they all went completely mad attacking like rabid <hes> yeah you it's terrifying because your understanding of your of nature and your role in the food chain. What did you flipped upside down when that what did you you think of the ending of the birds. I saw it on t._v. Like a year ago you know i've seen it many times but i saw it about a year ago and i stayed with it so the whole thing is these birds for no apparent reason or attacking people in northern california and they're killing people there plucking there is out there. They're just doing these horrific things and at the the end this house that has been attacked the the couple that live there they go into their garage and there are birds all over the house there on the roof. You've there on the furniture outside everywhere. They bring their cars slowly out a little sports car. The woman is shaking tippy hendry and slowly lowly the guys driving the birds are looking and move a little bit and then they just drive off and that's the end. There's no there's it's no resolution at what makes it scary because we don't know what would happen in the future. Well and we have no idea. That's that little town where that happened happen. This is the beginning you know. Can you really escape it if this is if the apocalypse is gonna come. There's no answer to of of angry birds. There's no answer to what makes it scary. I guess so are you hiring with indeed. You can post a job in minutes set up screener questions then zero in on qualified candidates online online dashboard get started at indeed dot com slash higher. It's bob and sheri all right if you have our app which is in google play in the app store. It's totally free there. We're all sorts of cool things that it does one of them is you can just talk back to the show. There's a microphone in the bottom right corner. You just tap it and talk. You have to do anything else and your voice will fly through the air good morning everyone tina from oregon here bob i want to tell you. I don't know if it's a woman thing but marian i do have something in common i will will complement a total stranger. I like what they're wearing or how their hair looks are such. I think it's a nice thing to do and it gives me pleasure to compliment implement someone else. I'll never see them again but at least for a moment i recognize them makes me feel good todd. You and i have something in common and that's our love for bewitched queen. You said the two different actors that are switched out in the show bewitched. I out loud said dick york dick sargent and then immediately. You guys repeated what i just said todd. You and i know our dicks. Well keep up the great work. You make me laugh every night. How's that fuel todd. How's it feel pretty and here's the thing i'm not a fan of bewitched but we have talked about it so many times in the switches between the dick york and dick sargent that i've had to look him up multiple couple times that i literally in my sleep can yell it out you know or so you say okay. Well you know what samantha on if your dad were here right now how he would say just stop at. Least you know something that's right. I was a genie fan over the bewitched. I mean it was you either had to pick you know i dream of jeannie or bewitched i was i drew genie fang. Why did you have to pick you did not have to ask joy both had to pit programs it will you couldn't why why did you have to pick. They both featured men who could not appreciate having a magical woman. I know exactly that was an interesting time in pop coarser was that the only way that they could present those characters as being exasperated because of their wife's powers <hes> yeah yeah i bet there's somebody's done their doctoral dissertation on how a metaphor for the women's movement and no. I think you're right because these women had these magical powers. The guys didn't have they could do anything they want but the guys had to sort of tamp it down they control it and let them know they were. They were disapproving. That guys had to tell them. You're this power. You're not allowed to use this power. Yeah that's voted then she would use her power in invariably variably especially on bewitched to help dir would out and then we had to be sneaky sneaky about it and then he will be kind of exasperated although appreciative appreciative that he had a woman with some power but in order to keep him from feeling completely emasculated shed to keep your power on the down low and always apologize for it. How would that be recast today. Well what it what it nicole. Kidman's bewitched character do bombed at the box totally bombed the box office and nobody so we don't have an answer but i wonder if the husband was as <hes> irritated as on t._v. Will farrell played the husband and he was he was just kind of a clod in that movie but i always i thought about this. When i did watch which you know when i wasn't watching i dream of jeannie. I always thought i wonder what their first couple of dates were like. And when did she really unveiled unveiled the fact that she had magical powers. I don't think for a while and here's the thing too if you have magical powers how long you gonna be interested interested in that guy well. She sheet outlining complaining all sam. I've only seen a handful of episodes besides the show but in talk which i never single one he's irate that she used her powers to do something like get him out of trouble because it seemed like he worked at an advertising agency where he was always under the gun about to lose his job and she says the agency and mr tate always seemed to just show up at the house yeah he did you know and then there is the cliche of the mother in law who is so annoying well. That's cliche dora to one of those a- and dora dora only one that knows about and endure that's an interesting name because it sounds like enduring yeah indoor and then i dream of jeannie he was an astronaut yep and she was a magical beautiful genie who lived in a bottle and he was always ticked off at her genie bottle right. You've done very well but explain this to me the doctor bombay oh he's back on the witch right yep calling dr bombay can't go to regular doctor and there was always he's daring return like he would have spot somehow endure would give him spots and dr welby would have to come here the spot because only bombay could right but then dr interbay would come he was on some sort of elephant trek or something like that we walked out crazy but see if i the be if i was dating samantha b which when we early on and i found out she had magical powers i'd be like hey let's have some fun and we would like jerk. Somebody around you know maybe like they were trying to get in the car and we would lock the doors and then all right. I have a lot of days where if i was single. I'd be swiping lucius this malfoy on tinder. You're a bad evil warlock but <hes> if you could just zap carolina dance i appreciated it's bob and sheri they get now. Get it. Now i tune store or google play electric. Come in and a couple of things that i've observed of recent. Have you noticed that when you have a party like maybe a christmas party or a birthday party like like we had recently all of a sudden you notice stuff around the house that needs to get fixed or cleaned up and you and we've been living like that. You've been living. There's there's say board on the deck that sticking up right and there's a nail on the directed came through somebody could step on it how it's been like that for weeks and weeks. They'd have we done this. Yeah you try to close the cabinet. We have like a lazy susan in the kitchen cabinet and there's always something that's falling out and there's a bunch of pots what's in there that haven't been used since we've been married and they're nasty. Why are we still keeping these things and i was mentioning. The garage was just cleaned up by <hes> by madison that had to be done. It's human beings. I guess unless you're a certain type of person have to be pushed to do certain things will your house never looks more awesome than when you're moving back when you're moving or you have part. Oh we should keep this plot yo exactly exactly why have we allowed ourselves to live like this. You know it really does it for me too. Who is far as cleaning the house. I want crazy before my birthday party. Both the outside there was some stuff that had to be done on the outside and on the inside if you you know who your guests are and you've got a couple of guests who have the most perfect house no kids they had no kids are pets. Their houses is always perfect and you know they're gonna be eyeball in it right all i could think about were those two people come over to my house and i shouldn't care why. Why should i care about it. Who cares what they think. You know people listening a better way to live. If you're just like come on over let me do this of the saint bernards bernards drool towel off the couch. You can sit was actually way to live. It's the same way to live right but i'm not that guy. I cleaned it up. I got rid of the dead plants. I have never been to your house where it was a mess. Oh well you you. Don't come over all that often when you come over generally as for the christmas party my party is not someone that wants a drop in be honest if i just i'm in your neighborhood all the time your houses between my house and karema's dance classes. I am always in your neighborhood but you really would not love it if i just hey. I've got an hour to kill. Is it happy hour hear yet like if i just showed up. I wouldn't have a problem with you you. I would with most others but it it's like when i forgot to <hes> salute you my birthday party. I'm so used to being around you. You didn't fight dropped her on advanced fighter and that is every woman's dream by the way. I used to be another man's appendage now which i've got one on this word it which is on show up at your house spontaneously gotta be. I mean if i'm sleeping. What can i say tax. Meeting at six o'clock at night was at the time <music> you're coming by. I'm not at six o'clock. I take that kid to dance karume. You've got an eleven pm tuesday night dance. Excuse me don't give the studio any idea. When do i think you're taking her to the dance like twenty four hours a day. It sounds like way yeah so here's what i would be afraid of. As the appendage i pull up and i go to the door. Fins wins glad to see me. Fans always glad to see me. I picked the one night where there are no kids at home and you two are like having some quality romance time and here i come the appendage. What's the percentage likely. It's low that they're app there you go. I'm going to surprise you to i'm going to the appendages. Go into a dropping seattle can fix injuring while waiting wait. He's gonna you're gonna drop in. Well not want me yeah and then he's going to have. Mary extend out to you that maybe you you should call an bob's not going to be the one to do it. Yeah jackson me later and she'll say girl. I'm so glad you came by but you know himself is what why don't you just text say. It's five in the afternoon right. I'm gonna just text me and say hey. I'm in the neighborhood <hes>. Can i stop by go him. Do that. Gives me a heads up but that's not a drop dropping if you know him come close to drop and is todd you wanna meet me over there for a spontaneous dropping your in the neighborhood here we come up depended and did you like to rent at once believed. I believe that and then you read it. Again can't believe this is bob and cherries and believe what you got. I guess the biggest thing i can't believe about about this is that it doesn't happen more often because flying has become so stressful just the experience of getting into your seat on the plane completely me out of your mind wrestling t._s._a. And all of the other things parties getting there and then you know sometimes you sit on the runway for a really long time flights sir all super crowded your squished into your seat. You're hot. You're miserable. You're frustrated. A group of russian tourists got into a rolling rawling fistfight on a plane aboard a turkish airlines flight leaving istanbul for the south west of russia. One female email passenger hit one of the male passengers for unknown reasons. He slugged back. Another male passenger intervened the whole brawl escalated. Other passengers tried to separate them. <hes> people are screaming and we have video and oregon listening absolutely got the little baby i know i know. The baby is frightened. I think don't you well. When you see the video you will do to. Is that it no. It's turkish yeah. The other passengers were begging the cabin crew. Oh can we just go. Please don't delay this flight. Yes that's where we are as a species. Jason right people are punch. Each other in the face and babies are crying and we're saying just close the doors off. We gotta get we're going. I had the feeling that this was after landing this was before they took off all my word. I'm so surprised the <hes> brawlers were taken off the plane and the airline announced. We are not not refunding those tickets. Oh harsh turkish so harsh the plane then took off and and this is my favorite part of it <hes> turkish airways as announced the plane took off safely and had an on time arrival little win behind so i won't post the video up on our facebook facebook. You can watch it for yourself. I was really surprised that this doesn't happen more yeah. I know people are so irritated. I mean you you know what really has become stressful restful because folks don't want to pay for the baggage. They will stuff everything including grandma into a carry on so the carry-on is is pushed to its limit and and with the overhead you're having people suffering in and share alenia closes it barely closes and so they're dealing with that holding coming up people who are trying to sit down right there in line behind whoever this person is and i'm not busting on on that person. I've been that person from time to talk. I just booked excuse me. I just booked a flight for work and <hes> at the at the end of it. You know where you get to the point where you're gonna typing your credit card information. <hes> the airline sent me a little message that said if you upgrade to premium economy which i think with premium economy. They put an actual window window in the in the road that you're inside. You're not sucked out into the into the sky in premium economy. You'll board in group four and have a shot at overhead ed luggage storage now. It's like the hunger games up in here. You have in order to not fight grandma for space in the overhead bin. You have to pay extra extra premium early enough. Premium economy is one of the biggest con jobs three traded on the flying public ever premium premium. All that really means is your picking a seat. That's a little bit more forward possibly by the window if that's what you like not in the center modiin the i'll although i've got to give american airlines credit if you buy their version of premium economy you not only get to elbow grandma out of the way to get to the overhead and storage but they give you free drinks free alcoholic beverages that right yeah but you have to. There has to be that program premium economy because i've upgraded in economy to a little better seat a little better economy. You don't get if you don't get anything. There's economy and that is where there may or may not be glass in the window. Then there's a little better economy where you're a little further forward in the plane and good luck to you and then premium economy you get to be the first eight rose and you get a free drink but by the time you play you pay for premium economy. You could have gotten yourself just a couple of bottles face the poor far. I've spent the entire flight face down on the floor of the bath. I'll tell you at six off you know they have refitted lot of the <hes> airlines the planes and i and <hes> brought in new seats now something new seats are nicer but they've packed in more seats and so if you have a window seat in the window is a little bit behind you yeah. You have to turn because the rose have been adjusted. The window is actually directly between the two exactly really see you can't really see out of it and try to see out of it. The person behind you also trying to see out out of it you end up doing a nose kissed like eskimos. Whatever you wanna do folks though don't don't buy the ticket. That's very cheapest ticket. If you possibly can reset the time that all of them cost the same. The same came as a tall person date go hey. There's a tall person that's a customer. We want to serve him and put him in on a seat that he'll be comfortable because we want him to fly with us again now now. They show me which seemed to go to the rental when they look at you go. There's a tall person and if we crashed in the andes will eat him. I write it stuck you wo- here on the show the bob in cherry hot cast on the bob and sheri okay so my wife mary is very understanding warm and loving person but when when it comes to certain things you do it her way and there's no bending by her at all for instance when she and madison a few years years ago when a college tour they stopped by one private school for an afternoon and mary noticed that the school would not only was very expensive but had beautiful laundry rooms is that are connected to the dorms and the dorms had brand new refrigerators and there was a little kiosk on the way to classes where they handed out bananas to students in case. They didn't have time to eat in the morning and mary said you ain't going here. You go had the same experience i had on and medicine said what's that goes well the first year you're going to be in a dorm and you're going to be crowded with someone. You don't know second year. If you make enough money yourself being a sorority house up in an attic with twenty other girls tells half of whom you hate and then on the third year you're going to rent a house with bad heat bad plumbing and <hes> probably a lot of books. That's the college experience. It's so fast forward to this summer. She has a rule that her kids work. During the summer. <hes> hampton was a little slow to get off the the <hes> blocked but eventually got that job is a lifeguard you know and so he's been you know make a little bit of money. <hes> madison who has been waitress who is who's who's worked in restaurants and baby sat in all of this was a little slow to get it done. She's been enjoying spending time with her boyfriend. Whose family has a beach place and a boat and her tan is fantastic. I either bank account is negligible and so the other day i walked in and the two of them are going at it. They're going at it but could and mary saying it's the end of the summer. Do you know what i did. During the summer. When i was your age i worked at a bar at myrtle beach an outdoor bar walking around in flip flops with with with beer on my feet and liquor on my faith for tips and i'd go back to school with three or four grand when she gets when my wife gets into this mode she sounds more like an enforcer in the mob than she does my wife i mean she actually says three or four grant not three or four thousand three or four grant so madison has not worked much and i'm listening to this back and forth and i want hear this anymore so i said here's the deal mary one or two <hes> maker your servant for the rest of the summer and it stopped everything right there because the two of them knew they had nowhere to go and mary says what do you mean servant. I said the garages filthy. It's filled with spiders in the windows. It's it's a mess. It stinks everything. I just haven't gotten around to it because it's so brought that needs to be cleaned as do several closets throughout and pots and pans needed. Some of them need be given away. Everything needs to be reorganized and that is what has been going on for the last three days at my house and i pulled into the garage yesterday's clean it his perfect and she she was still working at it and i looked over and it was hot. Her hair is sweating. Her faces sweating. She's she's soaked through her shirt art and i looked over at it and all of the spider webs are gone and she's so proud bob. I got every one of the spider webs out of the windows and all and i've rearranged your tools over here and this and that and this and that and it worked it actually worked pretty good you had an idea and somebody did it so mary came in she said and of course it can't be to push said. Why did you put that over there. I said let petco she did great she did great and there was my wife turned to me and that was that was a pretty good idea you had and then she said how much you're gonna pay yeah. I knew that was coming. His chitchat pacemakers were everything. That's right her later. So he's my garage. I could never sell that deal to kevin because his his view is they live here. They don't they don't give us right. He's right. What's something had to have that or you needed to crack a coleman and get a front row seat for that that those were the national association of broadcasters agreed kids. One of the best shows in the country our nation for marconi awards. It was so nice to have my two daughters at my birthday party. Awhile ago <hes> they don't get together with me in the same place very very often and we were able to marry and i were able to tell them that <hes> a year from now we rented a house in southwest harbor maine and and we're going to be there with them and their husbands and i have never done anything like that before so much fun and we found some pictures of them right off of southwest harbor at little cranberry island when landon was six an alley with four and my wife being my wife she has <hes> given an edict to them that they must recreate the outfits they will wear now. Allie was very happy maybe because she was wearing blue jean shorts and a red t-shirt landon unfortunately was dressed by her mother in a little all pink jumper with a light blue t shirt underneath it and it had a tiny sailboat on the pink jumper she. She looks about six months old in atlanta and said. Where am i going to find that. Mary said i don't know but you have to recreate that. Forget that you have a year here so go ahead and get busy so we're going to take the picture of them. Then recreate it like you see people do on the on the internet sometimes so <hes>. I love that place that that was the oh i've always wanted to learn how to sail and in in southwest harbor i just before i met mary. I took a sailing lesson. One guy took me out. He can't he came equipped with a six pack of beer and sat down and he barked at me for like an hour and a half about how awful i was as a sailor and it it was your whole less wasn't a great experience <hes> i eventually i got you know a little bit of the hang of it and i've done it like a hobie cat. I've done a little bit but i never really really mastered it so i was thinking about that. When i found online on elite daily as the summer kind of <hes> is drawing to would end things about sailing freezes about sailing that impact impact our everyday life and i'd like to read them to you right now all right okay <hes>. Do you have that music max all right. A smooth never made skilled sailor franklin d rosa. It's true we can't direct the wind but we can adjust the sales time to sail away on sailing takes me away to where i always heard it could be christopher cross and say catch the trade winds in your sales explore dream discover every see to scare the sailor. I have sailed patrick chung on sale far sale. A fast george are more all good things. Come in waves always a good time sailing on the lake. These people let your dream set sail. It's the weekend. Lets get naughty in a u._t._i. If you're not happy adjust the sales and change course that is the best but you think i'm married to a sailor and so <hes> an expression he uses a light is woman. Just hold this and don't break anything and i have found bob defied a follow that that morning yeah you're right better off. You're exactly right. You want to hear a few more turn. Good vibes happened on the tides. Happiness is the wind in your sails beach more worry less. Life provides the wind you control the direction of taylor's. Let's pack a bag by a boat and sail away too far off coasts. Come sail away with me the the crates somewhere beyond the sea somewhere waiting for me. I love stands on golden. Sands watches the ships that goes silent bobby darin which is one of your daughter's favorite hear me a little bit by another <hes> sailing expression that <hes> my husband uses a lot that that i think has a lot of wisdom in it is woman. You know you'd better p before you get on that book because i'm not pulling and surprise how much that will serve you well in life. I i you did in fort lauderdale. I did a piece years ago for t._v. On a female sailing school it all they did was teach women how to sail and they gave them t shirts. The first day that on the back said my name is not and they had their name say harriet my name. It's not harriet g._d. Because their husbands their husbands are always steering the craft right and the women are told to do this or that with the sales and they're getting screamed at so these women decided to go to learn to have that kind of skill where they don't have to take that for many but i've gotten very good at going up on the bow and dealing with the lines which i now know i'm not supposed to call and i was recently promoted from. I i meet to boost it all right. I don't know what it boasts in is. I know it's in the old spice song your pipe bomb aboard right missile bussiness listeners old spice song. The captain says something to the bussum. That's right now. The stuff to captain says me guessing a lot of boatswain's. Don't wanna hear your right especially at sunset. I don't care like you need to commend into an odd cast with chitchat because the two of you are apparently the same person with your tastes so hysterical. She's gotten older. You know it's expressions that come out of her mouth. He's i don't know these people need to cut their grass. The tiny about lacey my car. It's bob ridge's hair. The free bobbins sheri and instantly get the podcast. The on gas and bob lobban sharing funds is i've been thinking about one of madison bob's bona star one of medicines friends blast at your house. This kid was there and i really really. I adore this kid. I'm not going to name him but he's just one of these naturally enthusiastic friendly cheerful earful people right. I mean it's just a great kid <hes> and so i had met him before but i think he thought that i didn't remember him. Because i saw i saw madison madison so i went over and like hey madison i gave her a hug and talk to her about when she's going back to school and this kid comes bouncing up like let liquor human lab or doodle and as i opened my mouth to say hello to him because i remembered him. He said we've met but you might not remember me. I'm the one that was in the car accident right right this kid. This kid brought more excitement to telling me he was recently in a car accident. Then i see other kids have on christmas morning week we <hes> he about it on the sound talked about it on the air and mary let him know when it was <hes> when we were about to do it because i was. I told her i said in a few minutes. We're going to go on the air and talk about his car accident. He's fine. Everybody was owners hurt ray. Somebody else's fault and the and he listened well. I said i did himself. I said i know we've met before. I remember you and i'm just so glad you weren't hurt in your car accident. He said i am too but that was me. That was me in that car accident. He's become the guy in the car the car when he came over to the house at that time you're talking about a few days ago. I said the first thing i said. Did you get a new car not yet. I was in the car accident. It's such a sweet kid and so we chatted for a little bit and madison and her other friend madison and her friend are like two terrifyingly beautiful confident blonde book ends and like they have the kind of confidence that you and i did not have when we were sophomores in college right so this car accident kid is flanked on either side by a goddess and they're looking at him the way that they're smiling beat him with the kind of fondness you have for your four year old cousin and they don't realize that that kid is going to grow up to be the perfect guy to love and settle down with but at this stage in life yeah not playing rock band yeah. He's not a bad boy. He's got dangerous edge. The goofy friendly extroverted. I'm in the car accident guy and smart by the way he's he's what what is a nineteen something like that and he's working this summer in an accounting firm. He's clearly like when you talk to this kid. You know you're clearly talking to a super bright intelligent guy but i could tell by the looks on their faces. They adore him but just as a friend is really really good looking but he hasn't grown up yet and they can't see it. They just can't see it yet. That kid is such a catch but they can't see see it. Yes is it necessary for all attractive women or you don't even have to be attractive. You're just a woman <hes>. Let's bob bob on it. You re set that again. All women are attractive to do. Women have to go through a period in college. Where the data guy that is nothing but kooky no and i think a lot of control is not. He's very very he's a nice kid into. I think a lot of women skipped that whole while bad boy stay really not awful lot. Who haven't i know guys that we work with that have been married to their like college. Sweetheart like chad are french ad in the newsroom. He's married to his college sweetheart. He is the most wonderful reasonable level guy and so is she. She never had any interest in the wild. It's an unusual. That's an unusual couple. I know others you know the reason why you and i think that everybody has to go through that stage because we have dated people who have gone through that ourselves. We ourselves have gone through more one way or the bad boy. I never the bad whatever but we still were not what you really wanted to bring home stuff you wo- here on this show alibaba cherry hot cast on the bob and cherry hat. I don't like scary movies going on very much. <hes> in todd can't make me like he can make lamar mark but i noticed here that the alamo draft house cinemas will hold clowns only screenings of it chapter two so there's the cha the the the next it franchise. Is this a franchise. Thou movie is is coming up. The only people that are allowed to calmer clowns have to be dressed as a clown on screen of it. I love area yeah i. I'm you know how feel about clowns. Do you know how much joining me but yeah ah can use great idea. Can you picture all the alamo draft house. I guess they have them all over the place. All they have to do is call the local television station and say on <hes> friday night by the way it chapter two comes out in september. Todd tells us what they have to call and say we're going to have approximately two two hundred clowns in our drought over you. It's free advertising magazine fall over <hes> a social media whoever came up with that that was really really smart now. I don't wanna be a server in there that i think there's going to be a few servers are going to say i'm going to be taken a little tiny moan. I don't know i think it would be kind of funny to dance who you are brandt some clown at six once more right wing. How am i gonna have so much. Impose you get some creepy ones though as it's a scary movie right you're going to have creepy. He wants to get one with the red balloon. It's going to be like when the crow came out. You're gonna have like ninety. People trust as pennywise wines and it's gonna be pennywise one at table six pennywise to table thirteen years. You're going to have to call give them numbers. Yes server you would have abbas story to tell my luck is i'm a server and in my section they seat the clowns. Don't talk. Hey welcome to alamo draft house. I'm going to be helping you guys out tonight. We've got about fifteen minutes before the movie starts walking. I get you to drink paul. We'll you're gonna in a pantomime. You say excuse me. I forgot the tiffany squeezes the flower you get it right in the eye or impulsive quarter around my ears to think about that part digit you go back to the kitchen and go. Hey man that bozo a table four that would be my. I love this. I get the silent clown. So that's one news story. <hes> i also have <hes> another one here and i don't know what to say about this people. We'll are going without using the odorant because of all the negative things about chemicals in the dod moment that we use and and products that are based with not harmful chemicals have gone up like deodorants and creams for your face have gone up in popularity three hundred percent in one year so a lot and so the story that i'm looking at here there is apparently there's a growing number of people who have stopped bathing showering and washing themselves completely so they can let their natural bacteria of their skin grow flourish and handle the job of keeping them clean. They also believe that by cutting back on products. It'll help fight skin diseases. Does it work. One woman says she works out a ton. She doesn't shower after an quote over time. My skin has adjusted. I don't smell. There's not really any scientific evidence either way so it's hard to tell if this is really a good move or a bad move but waiting for evidence since is not what we like to do in two thousand and nineteen so as i mentioned probiotic skincare products like lotions deodorants things are way up helping with your skin's natural bacteria. I don't think that i could work out or run or even a hot day. Walk my dog and not take a shower before i go to bed. There are people you just always smell good even after they've been sweating and working out is is this how people could stand each other in the fourteen hundreds when they wouldn't bathe but once every six months they were useless. Was that true. Do you think i mean i used to hear that because they thought hey i just saw all i think that was on the smithsonian channel about the royals and these people didn't bay because they thought spread disease the water really washing in that water water spread disease so that's what they were wearing wigs and perfumed and all this other stuff because they smelled so much is that right yes so so the whole idea <hes> that their body would adjust not smell at all doesn't seem to be accurate was watching <hes> something on i think the smithsonian channel about versailles hi you were watching him back in the day. That's why they <hes> wore wigs. Yes well powdered them yeah and loved perfume and cologne to cover it up cover up. The body stink well then. I don't see how this this concept of not us. You always smell good. I bet on you never smell nasty. Oh i could smell this no sleeve review unbelievable. I don't think i don't think you can smell nasty. You're like my husband. I don't think you can smell the why would i be fighting you now over the fact that you just said. You're so argumentative humanity. Now you smell like garbage and i am telling you. I'm not argumentative with the capital a you always spell the good. I don't share a smell like hell. No you you don't bob you are men who always smells good. Even when you're sweaty well i don't think to high heaven after i've been working out walking george but there is uh natural smell and now you know now. I'm gonna have to apologize you. You're right bob you. You're like dej skull three days of the road. What after this song that smell is i've never i've never really enjoyed the song the smell and smell of abusing drugs and alcohol and all of those and that's the smell sorta kinda the more you know we die from it right. You smell good to get the more on of the day set right to your phone moron to eight eight eight. Bob share to sixty seven four three seven. I know can relax. It's been it's been almost a week doc. I can relax right now and know that no one was harmed <hes> we we had my birthday party and mary really did a great job planning for it and she hired a cook to help us. We got some lobsters and we're going to serve lobster rolls right and so the the the the chef was going. He was like a catering one man band he was going to a boil lobsters and get the meat out and then <hes> put the meat in a in a container and then we'd serve it into toasted buns for <hes> for my birthday so we had about twenty five people at the party so there's quite a lot of it and she spent a fortune dummy may not. I'm just telling you but she loves me and you know and why not why not go all out from it. I thought you meant m. y. Not love me. Of course she loves what she really hit the hip hip on this one so he the chef calls the day before and he says i have a stomach virus i i shouldn't be handling food agreed. I guess so be agreed but at that point she and her friends tina and lynette are are taking over with me <hes> chopping and making the food food in the salads and all of this stuff so we took an and it worked out just great but i just thought suppose he said i'm going gonna go do it anyway. I want the money and he was handling twenty-five people's food and everybody got the you know what and we would all be like <hes>. We got poisoned bob's. Yeah you know the wait what we do to our kids. I mean i i grew up everything that went wrong. In my father's life. I always blamed myself yeah. I would have if that happened in twenty. Five people got this and there i would have to move. I have to leave this show. I couldn't bear to see anybody again. I'd have to change my name or something. I'd send a note. I'm so sorry that you've got the runs for like three days. I didn't know but ultimately would-be all others. Would others would talk about you but i would be like well. You know it's a cleanse so i would. I would look i appreciate that. I wouldn't called the bright side. There's nothing bright side. I mean if i if i get a three day solid alad cleanse out of having dinner at your house i mean i would have preferred to have scheduled in advance. Not have it hit me unawares but a cleanses to cleanse. I'll take it. I might send your thank you know depending on how much weight i lose. That's what she said. Yeah i mean that's i agree with her. I doubt you're gonna anybody's going to send me a thank you for that and i would be known as that it and no one would ever come to my house again. Well the next time that you put your nose in the air and cop to any variety of attitude which would be soon. We would be like like really bob because we all got the trot. That's exactly what zach burns yeah. That's exactly what would happen so then i go on. I didn't know but this he didn't do. It doesn't matter we would be calling each other. We would be meeting ahead of time of your party and eating somewhere out and then come into your party going. No we're full i did. I'm sorry nobody would come to a party again. They'd say what are you serve in this year lockjaw you know it would be oh god. That would have been so horrible. Thank you lord for not making that happen. And you know how. You are. Look even if we said it's all right bob. You know could happen to anybody. It's it's a cleanse. You would never let it go you would beat yourself up and periodically you would say well. I guess now you're gonna bring up how i gave you all diarrhea korea. Even though none of us were thinking about it i would do that but maybe wooden app just shellfish what could go in august with the baby. 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Podcast day comes back Sunday, only like four more sleeps. And we'll be in game of thrones land. Karen as the eight biggest questions and bachelor ahead of game of thrones final season. This is on the big lead dot com. They got ours for some different things. I would like to to to get them. Get some bets on the on the record, which you okay? All right. The first question is this who are you kill I from her list in the final season game of thrones. Okay. Serfaty. Mila, sandra? The hound. Ellen pain who I literally forgot was alive. I was dead. Barrick. Don Barrick, done Darian and the mountain. The eyes of seen to be skewing towards I guess the mountain is plus one thousand so I guess that means he's harder to kill. I don't know. I say Servcie because because she had says headed out for her for a loan long time that woman destroyed her family. She owned a list. Now, certainly does have the lowest of like like she has the highest probability. It'd be killed. According to their is makers. Right. So you go to easy one. I feel like the hound is gonna kill the mountain. So I'm gonna take the mountain off mind feel like that is his fight. Okay. Burned his face. And there was kids. He's looking forward Wien JR. He is Millicent fields too easy to kill right. Mostly gosh, he was. She was go ill and pain because none of us give it down. So it was like a good little like Rev up to be like all she are her murderers shit, y'all you know, after she fade somebody their family in a bread found debris. Yeah. I feel like that little psychopath is on on a Rabin's train. Yeah. This was definitely a family recipe. So my Twitter try to me because you know, they like team are your versus sizes. And you know, I'm thinking, I'm thinking both of them. Right. But somebody tried to tell me that she's not a psychopath. And I said was she okay? Killing a person get revenge coup. Rare wedding was horrible. You know, how long it takes to come up with a recipe to cook human beings and bread and feed it to a motherfucker mound. You gotta get your flour. Right. Joe baking soda come on. What what what was the the wet dry mixture? I mean, this cannot be easy. Yeah. I mean, you got to roll it. I mean, I mean come on. You gotta let it sit in plump up like about this out of revenge. I don't think hotpot taught her how to make all that. No heating, not. So anyway, I feel like she's a bit of a and she faced off mask off. Yeah. You've got to be crazy. All right with Lancaster will die first and season eight certainty. Jamie tyrian. Jamie. Jamie Jamie has the second highest search has the lowest though like that saying, I think teary and product wheel. I don't know how you kill artsy. I I'm Bill. I think she's going to be one of the few people would is going to hang around like that. I don't know what's going to happen. You don't file do a trap? Don't know. But some gonna happen where she is going to be to me. I don't think she's going to get the throne. But I do see Hurley I actually see her killing, Jamie. Or Jaime queuing her rights, I see I don't think tearing is gonna make it. But I also could see -tarian actually live and long within both of them. Like they kill each other offer. He's still living. DR says he has a soft spot for bastards and broken things. So maybe Tyrian, but I feel like. I feel like seriously dies last. So I'm gonna say Jamie dots. I I think Jamie dies fighting north of the wall with the night king because he don't come from this. And you only got one hand and they've been located for shadowing that he not as nice with his left as he was what his right? Got the hand of gold. Right. Like, you know, he gotta figure out, and I don't think it's going to happen. Cambronne ain't going to be able to always save him from in die right before he getting roasted by the dragon. Right, right. They both magically fall into the water. They just happened to be beside them come down fully immersed in armor. Jamie your water, and you still came back up to live Jamie should've been flame. Don't do. They both should've drowned or he should've tied to take off. I know he weighed a thousand pounds without that. I'm alright no man is strong. I'm Ron not Liber on. Is brand the night Kane. Yes. Plus three hundred no minus four hundred. So do you think brand is the Nike that is a very like spirit Oriel? No hot. No. I don't think he's a night king. But I think that he's going to play a role if they defeat the white Walker. She I think he's gonna play a major role is gonna come out with a magical like all hands on deck shit. Yeah. He already magically talking to trees and stuff like that. So especially going to happen. I'm gonna say, no. But I won't walk and his time travel. Power scare the hell out of me and his mystical weirdness. Why maybe there's a way that he somehow from the past future? My thing is why tonight king always willing to kill them running them down. Who is he running for running from himself? That makes no sense. Maybe he'd been through some shit. I don't know on some back to the future shit anticipates confuses, you he didn't even go through all this training. Is to be killed in season eight. All right. So these I guess the the people with the negatives are highest is so scarred from the highest to the lowest. Okay, I don't know is just like a agree or disagree thing. Like, I feel like all these guitar. I see is the highest is of being killed in the last season. Oh, yeah. She going back. Okay. At her bears who wears his hat to. Because this whole thing bears is like we joked about it. But he is lily a walking internet like he knows everything he sees. But it's internet got a virus. Because the old boy took his little bird Icke is it was telling them everything I call them various Hilton because he knows everybody's business and stays with the t come on because data because there's a prophecy that he was gonna die. Like, I remember the rare which told him they if he came back to this land, he was going to die, and you know, his medal and asking Cain, stay out of west coast. So he did Jamie is at the bears. Once again came fry going into a big fight only got one hand. I hate it for him. But I think he got to go, and it's weird because they were deemed Jamia so many ways he pushed that kid out there damn window and. Episode was happening here. Call me, Patty if you will. But you put a little kid out of a window and the things I do for love. Right. Come on. Now what you won't do. Apparently killing look is the. As the fourth. Low lowest is of making it out. I'm gonna say I'm gonna make it out because he keeps running. The runs and he jumps poorly. Right. Pulling into the water like our would. Oh. Lying that death. That was be me. And so yeah, I could see him because that's all he does. He runs deniro's is right under theon for us. Yeah. I see her also pretty low casino dime. But what they're going to. But but nowhere down. I don't wanna see daddy dive. But I don't know. She feels it's like if she don't die feel like she gets on the throne Kalisz. She's such a mad woman for that thrown -tarian. I would hate to see Terri and go I'm going to say he makes it all the way through I think so too. He might not be on a throne. But he beat a squad around the throne. I going to be a squad. I, you know, I think it's going to be somebody who's actually owned the throne position. Right. And did you gonna have like every president got to have a cabinet on the throne by the hand of the king, right? Spas under -tarian. I think makes it out a may two she'd been through too much, man. She went to all this shit to die. Now. How come on? Now. She's arrive John free. She's the virology Thursday, very all these kill little finger. I'll have dreams aspirations been destroyed. Come on. Now sounds we'll rooting for you. We are all ruined. They may put it, sir. Syed Jamie and Tyrian like I guess at the same time. I don't see a masking nods made they all going to be killed separately. They kill all the last time. The time line will be shambles. Okay. That's a lot of characters come out beloved aria is even to make it out. So I see that could make it out. Fifty fifty can make it in or out of this last season. I can see going either way. But like, I say our hunt Eirik your best if you change your whole appearance, I gotta do is trying to face. We'll never see her again, she can lily walk off into the sunset. It's also hard to believe they're like those faces mean canned like I feel like they remind me like wouldn't jet is down Star Wars where you like. Why I see a row, but he probably out there. Someone living male body. No death. You just the aria branch like two weeks later. Like what happened? I thought you got killed. Josh snow is gone. Now, he has favorable is to make it out plus one fifty. Yeah. He heard that once but you're going to kill him again. Yeah. I guess. Yeah. This kind of like cheating. Yes. You already got one down brand plus two hundred and then San well with the highest is make it out plus two fifty I see stemware living because San whale on them old mean they picked him because he wanted to like learn shit. And they was like, you can't learn boy, he gonna mess around and take all day jobs. They're going to be an environmental books, and he going to be knowing he got a college degree come out and got a girlfriend and a baby come on and got his daddy sword. Right. He got a cosmic green his girlfriend got her GED, and they're going to take they baby and move on gilliardi learning to re I mean, I feel like he's really like the jeffersons of the mall. All they moving on up. Gimme is like, oh, this is nice. Will the Nike hangs advised season. Eight a game of thrones. Okay. So here's the thing. If the answer is yes, then they one right, right? Dad? They're the only people owner show that only got one goal which is killing every other person on his show everybody. So if the answer is yes, then I mean that's episode. A is just sitting on the throne Donald turn into ice a MBA like good night. Everyone lost the game with me. Everybody loves. Who will kill Thursay? Jamie care has Jamie. He's claiming aria he's plus one eighty aria is the only person what higher is him plus one fifty aria. Aria actually getting close to him. Because jamie. Him. It's supposed to relationship is strained. And she feels like he's not loyal. So I can see her guard equa being up more around him. But I can see are you misread and be some serving as a it's of a man and be like, oh, remember me right now, there are more of the people on this list. They say could kill her. Let's talk about them. Okay. Santa. I can see it. You know, say as a lot of things I don't know if since the killer yet. You might command somebody else Tokyo, but she ain't a killer. No one. No one Kelleher. She listed thing. Now, she got the dial. Okay. Now, she she was sipping tea while the whole place tools were green via of flame. Right. And and she she was looking at a burn let it burn that rhythm. Hope ways burn dog. It was like, Ooh, I don't care pants MU cheese tearing. I can't see tearing killing his sister. He got a soft spot. He went to not confront her last season. And they ended up having a heart Phil conversation. And she says she was pregnant he looked like he just all the red left his face. Denarius? Obviously her sticking to drag. And I haven't been torturing her listen being eaten by dragging. That would be so cathartic not now. Now, I not a low-key could use that. I see that being option where she's like, oh, I've had enough of you like her constantly, quote, unquote. Because at first I'm not working with them. She's in a white Walker. She was like, oh, I might change my bitch while you're welcome so radio to accuracy her trying to do something in cross the Nares. We're not going to do this. Right. And even saying that while she went right back to like unbothered. I okay day real. But I'm still trying to win the throne. Right. John killing Sirsi. I can't see them killing a woman and then the night Kane. No, you're making canes thing is he he she falls into the everybody category. You're on. Your great joy, whether you see my he's crazy. But you know, what he will be one or two wildcards as somebody like him lily will come out of nowhere lie. I don't think he would do it because he wants to throw him so bad. He sees her is the only way to get it. Correct. So I don't think he would do it. And she crazy so and they working together. Remember, right. She crazy. So he thinks he crazy. He crawls that one. She will fuck up a Lara. Casey what? No, don't it. The lawyers like chained up in the basement right being torture and still. Yeah. If she's still the mountain that's Mosley prepared like tantrums. And in the mountains be like, you know, what I am the strongest in this month long cane, though, I am sick yell shit. Giora? No, quiet, burn. And then lastly alcohol, which is not listed. She just dies with alcohol poisoning. I'm on alcohol for the win. Dies in asleep. Finally tied one too many Olympics blows that would be my sleeper pick. And then the last couple bet who appears first signs of starker aria. Sons they got to the patient first. I can't see either one number really die. But I feel like if one was a die actually be aria because Arias stay out. Stay is from shit. Oh, yeah. She, but they're fighting life. So I was trying to stay in house. Okay. I'll need thinks that thrown like if she were to get to it will be completely about protecting. Our so come on. And then the last one is is to rule west rose who is on the throne the highest percentage of like the highest is to get on the throne brand. I don't see him on the throne, which is kind of like hedging your best. Right. Because you think he's a night game. And you think he's brand you can almost can get both right? Josh, no. Possible sadza. I don't see her on a throne. I just don't see it won't. I don't think she does I can see her life. But I don't want the throne. I could see you're getting it only out of protection for ourself. Like, this is the place where I could beat the most protective, right? Yeah. No more. And it's also the place where you the most targeted agreed. Deniers I can actually see the nearest game to throw Gingrich. So a little finger. How old is this the house this nothing did all know, why people think? April second twenty nineteen. What are y'all gonna bring him back from the debt limping gown? Is he going to get a resurrection is a red which goes show up? Like, what is happening? He is gone -tarian. I can see tearing getting on the phone. I just don't think he wants it at this point. I don't think he won't sit either too much has happened. But he might take it out of responsibility obligation. I can see that John and donaire his baby. Okay. So she is going to get pregnant. There was no condoms. And there was no contest. Aria? Are you on the throne does not make sense? You're not about their life. She told John season one. I am not about to thrown life. What are you going to produce some babies for somebody Arias, not even going to even have a keen, she'd be running by herself. Thank you stand. Well. Does he Royal blood? He knows member who's day. He's supposed to get kingdom from his day. Okay. Sarci and Jamie and bears around it out. I think Jamie's definitely dead. So no, there's definitely going to die and search is definitely. Yeah. None of them. None of them. Make it for me. They all did. Congratulations. Because some will was live my dedicated to me and my birth. My my eighteenth birthday was I boy, you ain't shit. You ain't getting my kingdom. Right. All right. Let's get into some other stuff. George r Martin doesn't think the show should be ending it. Didn't about actually finished a book. I mean, I really hate to beat at Frank which finished the book now by George Lucas was Star Wars where it's like, it's not yours anymore. Sh-? It's ours. Now. We took your story. Okay. You took a long as break in my thing. Is this these actors have Lilly been doing this show for years? You know, they ain't gonna be young forever. You know, and his things where they may want to do other projects and you've seen some of them. Do it the project. They don't want to be tied to the show forever. So I wish more TV shows will have a beginning middle end and just wrapped that shit up. Everybody ain't going to be supernatural be around. Fifty years rap dish it up, y'all. Also, what are you supposed to do it costs? Millions of dollars to make an episode cranky going forever, right? You can put that book out twenty years from now people will still read it. They can't take this Paul some HBO, and they are it took two years off, which is a very long period of time face peo- between their series longest ever. So in my opinion. I think that it was probably the best thing. I turned up his four put him to take this break because with them taking a break. People will watching you gave them time to catch up. People who never watched the show got to watch this show. So now when the show comes back, I think this is going to be delayed audience ever, in my opinion. Yeah. I can't wait. But yeah, this thing that it shouldn't be in. And I'm kind of glad that it is ending. You know, it has become no into sometime, and I'd rather them go out on a hop. Art. I know in the stick around until people get tired of it and take it for granted. Let me too, and I actually for HBO it gives them time to focus on somebody's other shows because I'm gonna tell you right now. Nothing brings anybody together right now right now, nothing is in lessee about owner station outside of game of thrones. She yes, they have other shows. She shows might be great. But what what other? They TV shows. Everybody's like I have to watch. Right. He says I don't think it should be the final season. But here we are it seems to me we just started last week has it been longer than that the time has passed by a blurb. But it's exciting. I know it's an end, but it's not much of a name for me. I'm still deep in writing the books. We saw five other sequel shows in development, I think I'm going to be hanging. Around west rose while everyone else is left. He laughed, and I think my biggest thing about this. And I will continue to say this. I am glad that HBO. Is to the point now where their past the books because as many people, you know, last year not last year, but like a few years ago constantly complain about rape. I'm not watching this show about raping out. Guess what? Once they start following his shit. They're raped went down. I think if HBO would have been doing it their way from the beginning, we wouldn't have had all that sexual content. Not did we wouldn't have sex. But we wouldn't have had it just for. I can't he just just and think the critics they learned from the criticism as well. Ryan, you're watching season one this today and singing like how many scenes were just like exposition with people having sex with someone naked or, you know, women and prostitutes and stuff all the time. Like it was kinda right egregious compared to like after they got off book. It just hasn't been that at all, right? And so, you know, people, you know, I don't hear about it publicly talking about a audit shit went down once they got off script, quote, unquote. But that's the fact and also I will continue to say this now book readers hashtag, but somebody our Dicks. So I'm glad. Knows the folks going on. I don't have to worry about jell spoiling this shit. I don't have to worry about you. What can you wait till you get this? You think you dropping ahead with just boiling the movie, so every nobody no. And I like to once they got our book shit sped up. You know, you you put a raven out. The raven takes half the season to get their Arabian, go up to death like a phone call techs. But in fifteen minutes, he has the nation. Yes. The foot flab flack row. Flour raven. Get this shit on are now getting to some other articles guys going on today. A driver was stunned after finding a horse having sex with a car it mistook for another horse. First of all, how do you know it mistook that car for another horse? Maybe it's always is in the fucking cars. You don't know that for sure we don't speak horse. He was checking it for how many hosts how much horsepower it had. Okay. All right. That must've been the must've been in what the problem was Karen. Got that guy that got it. He thought it was a Mustang. Now, maybe it was a wagon. Okay. So payroll. A woman. One an insurance payout. Because a Randy stallion. We're still car for another horse at hump vehicle damaging in excitement. Good god. How long does it take the realize you're not booking another white animal? The another host pissed onto this. Oh, use nailing. Yeah. I don't know the frisky animals was among the stranger claims UK sure's giant of Eva dealt with last year at a range for the body work of a car repaired after the stallions took the car for mayor got his legs up on the vehicle and proceeded to hump it man, how strong they can just do that to a car and break it horses are strong is fucking. What causes are huge animals guy. Like sperm all of your horse on particular wasn't up on hiring are. Are. Your car. Like like get some glasses. Have context horses. I don't know. I feel like that horse has very strange life of just being like is that a tree or better? Better take a change in the car while the fucking today opened the blouse like that focused is they saw apparently. Yeah. Bali behavior other clients monkey and a bungalow burger trapped in the shade prompted some other us claims for property damage. But yeah, the horse one was the one that really set it off. I I don't even know what you do is. Sure must be such a weird gig. Are you? Sure, you didn't just drunk drivers shit until you have to videotape. Something like that lily was somebody actually to believe you, right? This just tell the truth. Like what what are you hitting? Ryan, they have no the hook Princeton this come on. Now. Listen, there is a condom on my car. And I know it came from a horse because it is a Trojan. Woman causing the horse is I mean goddamn. Because now now on one about a burglar in her bathroom, but it turns out to be a roomba. If you wanna plow. Yeah. Vacuum type thing. Yes. So she called my one one and waited for the police arrive they show up. She's like listen underneath the door. I can see like a shadow song. He's banging on it in my bathroom the door is locked. But I need to come out here. Real quick, I'm terrified and police show up, of course. And seven minutes. So it must be good neighborhood. They surrounded the house. They call it in the canine for hell. And they go in the order to suspect. It's the render the burglar just does not surrender. He just keeps running into walls. They finally break it to the bathroom with their weapons. Drawn a here. Right bagging against stuff. They break in the find is a room. Now, how do we know about this story? I don't know because the police cowardice. They put on there there. I think Facebook wall. As we entered the home, we hear rustling in the bathroom. We may several announcement and wrestling became more frequent we breached the bathroom door and encountered a very thorough. Vacuuming job being done by roomba robotic vacuum cleaner. Nothing was taken except some dust on the floor clear. Here's the thing. I don't think the police should be added. Like tell me that I'm upon. You know, what I mean, it don't feel right at the police could just relying. I tell my story. That's a whole another thing. Right. Hey, let's laugh at Disney. They call nine one one. I was bullshit. You know, like they don't have these stories when it's like a somebody called nine one one on an innocent person innocent black person like try to get coffee. Starbucks like, where's that? Where's that cute Facebook post? Okay. Like, I don't want to if I catch scares me at three AM, and I called now a one to check outside my house. I don't want them the basic on Facebook. It'd be like, hey, y'all Raza bitch. He was scared of a cat look at this. Look look hitting outside his front door, and he called us like like we were supposed to do some. So we came and gave the cat milk and shook his hand and said, all right. Then palm like I don't like like this. How? Watch our report on stuff y'all do wrong. How about that pregnancy? Traffic tracking apps pregnancy tracking Avs share data with users. Employers says report fucking this. Why Daily Beast dot com? Employers came reportedly paid the developer of pregnancy. Tracking nap to get de identified aggregate information of workers, pregnancies, including how many workers were using at the general health of the pregnancies and win new MAs plan on returning to work. No, no, no. This is my police state type shit. No. Why would you even need? All this much information about you from your employees issue. Insurance rates. They can figure out how to fucking Jack. You're eight up with something that only affects women. Women have to pay more anyway from insurance on average than men. So yes, just something to fucking Jack your race. If all of a sudden, you might have C-section we're gonna charge you more. What? Veteran is the way they get rid of the fuck up insurance shit. Like that is going to be a LA carte. You're going to pay for everything. Right. So according to the Washington Post tracking app Oviedo encourages women to input data related to their pregnancies from the early months to the birth of their child the app. Terms of use agreement reportedly gives the developer ever vocal license to utilize exploit their personal data including sale lease or lending the data to third parties. How is this big all employees? I guess if you put it in that agreement people sign away on you go. Hey agreement. You didn't read I child, and they know if they told people they would say, no so be front employers who offer the apple longside or the health benefits reportedly have access to an internal employer website the shows workers health data while the data share with employers is only available aggregate form with no identity tied to the data health and privacy advocates told the post new wave of mistress. Valence is leaving women's private lasts acceptable to security risks and to be taken advantage of by employers. Right because one you could like maybe hacks it very decrypt sit. You got that stuff this data that you giving these people also maybe you can just figure it out. Maybe we track like this pregnancy is this mini pounds. This many years old. Oh, this is Brenda. You know, we know Brando's Guida. Baby. She does. But she barely got a brain people are being asked to do this at a time when they're incredibly vulnerable, and may not have anything where the data's being passed Cornell, professor care Levy, said overachieved executive pairs Wallace defended the data share and told the newspaper the data plays a vital role in helping the wellbeing of women while improving the bottom line of companies, look, no, no this is between me and my God damn doctor. No, what are you got to do with this shit? Just cover me. Also, does it improve the bottom of the company, right? Because my thing is this you don't count how many times how many time many Jack late in the day. This only affects women I don't know about that. That's weird to me said a lot of it is is the people's held because you know, they're probably Ted him if they have just stationed diabetes who's actually only happened during pregnancy any complications day may have, you know, impossibility if they have a miscarriage, you get this is too much infamous, why should my employer or no this? Them their job is I come to work. They pay me. They offer me insurance. They got down in right? Yeah. Also, it's the kind of thing where you might fire so money on something else. But really is to avoid the cost of maybe a complicated pregnancy your insurance somebody who has a high risk birds or something like that. Like, I don't like any of this shit. New OJ Simpson. Movie claims he's innocent allegedly reveals the real killer. Also, like cereal. Affects is hit series. American cross story prove that with his high ratings that people still care about OJ Simpson. Now new movie is heading our way that allegedly proves once and for all that the I kind of America football star and actor wasn't the person responsible for the horrific murder of his wife, Nicole Brown Simpson. You did what are we talking about here? Nikko and OJ is the name of the movie is coming from British writer director, Joshua Newton. The movie will Zamin facts to allegedly expose the real killer in a plot to frame OJ Simpson. And that's even if her family allows him to do 'cause you know, anything he do they're like we want to cook our money, you ain't doing shit with her name on it. What if he's involved in this in any way, he may not as public knowledge? So you might be able to make a movie without pay him Majid. That's what American crime story. Did they probably didn't pay him anything? The narrative is driven by agenda of minister media who got it all wrong. The film is the result of over a year and a half a research Newton's part as he's coward court. Documents witness interviews from the case leading auto way back to nineteen ninety four the validity of his claims won't be known until the movie comes out, but he is telling the decidedly different story from the one. We've been hearing all these years about what he's about to present. Newton says this all these years later the world is still fascinated by the OJ case, and they're still devise America, particularly along racial lines. Makola OJ will reveal the untold circumstances leading up to the murders. And why how Nicole and Ron were killed and a cover up that follow? Does. He think these are these people are killed nifty. Go into the conspiracy theories because I thought we were all on the same page on the OJ shed that he did it and got away. I mean. Paralegal pantley vast conspiracy framed OJ Simpson who was about to buy the NFL. What was he what? What was he what was he doing semi white people feel OJ need to be taken down? He was OJ like it's super wokers. A militant activists or anything like was like we gotta take OJ down by killing two people. That's the plan that will get that show. And then it didn't work because we were to change everything else conspiracy. Accept that. The reality is that OJ exploded into a rage because his grief repeatedly asking what do you mean? The is dead while detective on a phone kept telling him he has no information. This is just one example of many what a prosecution attended to the jury the press and the poli- thank thankfully the jury saw right through. And that's why OJ was acquitted. The media was assisted by prosecutors. Drawn unethical means to persuade public of his guilt because they knew their evidence with fail to persuade. The jury is very worrying OJ was fortunate that he could afford a brea defense teen challenge of prosecutorial system. More concerned with winning than about Justice. But what about the countless defendants what innocent and don't have any money? Justice for them is an acquittal is it license or even? Starring in the movie will be bores co Joe and OJ Simpson really Moores who is in any actor. You know, if you saw it was in one of the resin even movies. We saw ball hair black do kinda tall. He's cavern hearts like houses men shows. Man. I mean, I can sell us picture as OJ to like, this is a real thing that is happening. They have like set photos and make up and whatnot. He does have an uncanny resemblance to OJ like a young OJ Simpson. But this is just one time for you. Hope your agent would be like Boris. We can't do this you plan. The do we this is not fan fiction like you can't fan fiction actual like crime. This is this is highly irresponsible way. Am I still own that I go off the screen? Let's dig up the corner. Let me all right technical difficulties, but we back. So this is Boris Kodjo and OJ Simpson. Taking promo picks for the. I mean, he do like that. Do little like him. But why would you do this? Why knows not round face. That's. Skin tone. Don't let's not we don't have this land to him any further than than it is. But he's trying to him sale. Why is he doing this who are is people? How come nobody said? This might not be a great idea playing a dude they got away with murder. Just get it. So yeah, good luck to them in that movie that I probably will never see what is what British director coming in. And tell me stories like didn't. They also do the story where they put route fines and black faces. Michael Jackson or some shit like, maybe Levi shit alone. Maybe. Measles outbreak in New York City threatens a thousand dollar fines for. Unvaccinated Williamsburg residents back Nekia motherfucking kids New York City declared a public health emergency Tuesday over millions outbreak Senate in an ultra orthodox Jewish community. Order mandatory vaccinations in the neighborhood may a Bill to Blasi announced usual order amid where he said was a measles crisis in Brooklyn's Williamsburg section where more than two hundred and fifty people have gotten measles September. It's not as products come back. Right right in the thing is. Is very fucking frustrating to get people to understand the reason. Why people get sick is. Because the bulk everybody gets vaccinated for the people that are learning to the vaccination for the people to can't get vaccinated. The MO is long as the bulk of us, get vaccinations. You don't have these problems two hundred fifty people fucking ridiculous, right? I don't understand line is cool too. You get it and you'll baby or you'll babies dealing with like shingles or some shit that we thought went out in eighteen fifties. Right. Like, you're putting kids at risk that can't afford vaccinations. Adults. They catch it from our children, and you're opting now. And then this coming back like we are. So this is like the biggest of like example of why America has Trump is president this kinda shit where he just like. But I feel certain way I would like to feel that these vaccines are horrible. It's like, okay, but science and like. Like all the history and stuff Dion not member. When measles almost wipe the fuck out because we were vaccinating people. They didn't just happen for no reason, it was killing people and an scientists worked on it. And then they came up with a vaccine, and it wasn't. Nobody was getting it. You know, it's like the voting right, right? Like, they go you guys on the Voting Rights Act. Anymore? John roberts's. Like, why would you need it? Black people get the vote, and it's stupid away our setting. ID laws voter suppression comes right back because the thing that was making it fair was working. You don't then say, let's take away the thing that made fair then because this means we don't need it anymore. That's ridiculous. And that's kind of what this measles shave reminds me of just like the vaccines are working. So that's why we don't need them. There was no down syndrome before this. No. We just didn't know what we called it before the before. Now, you didn't know what to call autism before? Now, it doesn't mean autism never existed before now eight we just chain people in made, you know, and belittle people in and made people hire people in clauses and not talk about it. So I don't know this ridiculous. But I don't know what like thousand dollar fine should come with mandatory vaccination. I don't even know what that means. Because you can't force the to get back to the nation. But what they say is people who ignore the order will be fine. The thousand dollars steady said it would help everyone covered by the order get the vaccine. If they can't get it quickly through their regular medical provider. My question, then becomes who's going to city because nobody's going one of these jobs is going through the city got the right? This is essentially forcing me to get a vaccination. You can't legally find me freedom of speech or something. And we're going to end up in the same place. We are now with. Two hundred eighty five cases of measles last year. And also, they have I forgot article came out few months ago about a true dron that are like turning eighteen and getting their vaccinations. They grew up in households where people were antibac- Sers, they turn eighteen and it was like this. I'm getting vaccinated and the relationship between them and their parents and shit like dad, and you know, how put stress on a household, but you know, you're eighteen and all of a sudden you getting fucking shots as you should have gotten when you will newborn or five. All right. Let's go to Marg aims guy of a little bit of fucking with black people. Just fucking with those people. We're just. With black people. That's why guys to play the game that we all hate the play fucking black people the game that we go all around the globe articles megadeal Wilson point scores zero to one hundred twenty five today's contestants everybody. All right. Let's see who's fucking day. Where we at. I'm on the wrong page. He would go. Here's one the FBI is steps into investigate suspicious. Fires at three historically black churches in Louisiana. What what a coincidence Abby is now investigating the burdens of three historically black churches in Louisiana all occur within a week of one another time where like there was like a rash of Barton charges like just three or four years ago. And we never got to the bottom of light. Was it arcing who was doing? It just kinda went away. A million's hard to catch arsonist. I don't know. If his arson and if is not ours, noon, like what a coincidence lightening striking everywhere. Within the same couple of weeks. Right. A March twenty six Saint Mary's Baptist church in port bar caught. Fire just a week later, April Sega greater union Baptist church caught fire and following after that Mount Pleasant church on April fourth we're very cognizant that there's a problem. There's no coincidence that there are three fires state fire. Marshall h Butch Browning said at a press conference last week. We believe that these three five are suspicious burning churches has historically been known to be an active violence often use to Arash racially abuse the black community we can't let this setback. Stop us from doing what God initially called us to do council. Vested pastor of Saint Mary's church said while members of the church are staying strong through the ordeal. Many now's the pain they feel losing their church on the fire greater union Baptist. Burn from the roof to the pews. Yes, that's not like this shit that what happened on purpose? I don't win. We find out of his arson or not sound like somebody put some gasoline everything from the roof to the pews day may show everything for combined zero two hundred hundred them as one hundred for me as well anytime just to imagery of it just hearkens back to so much like civil rights and Jim crow, south types. You can't you can't ignore it five times that apparently Candice owners lied to congress while testifying about white nationalism. Can't is owns guy on C span and live before congress. I don't know if you compare yourself in congressional hearings or not, but she lied about a budget stuff. But that is what she do does is lie. That's what she does for a living. She got hurt her hair. Like a broom, I don't know what was going on. Our foundation was flashy is. Like, I wonder if that's like the thing. What Republican black women is just like they can't go to us along. So they don't have places to go to get their hair taking care of like, not even privately secretly. You know, like not everybody got Rachel dole out in the community, come on and most assists alike. Nobis job will not do your hair. Right. That's my guess. But then the other thing could be today don't see color. So they just go into the supply. Fuck their hair up. Right. They wash it every day. And she it they go to fly pert, plus and. Hey this show. Right foot. They hear up and be like, but I don't see race and my hair products. Don't either Jay showdown. Yeah. Out on that they here, although I do like the idea of them going super cuts like after like, we have been looking for an alternative to the cookout. So. Some habits positive for black folks. Like, oh, we'll cookout I feel like the Republican Coon version that should be welcome to the super cuts. Welcome to the super Kirk I harmed. Cain. Welcome to the Suba. Come on have let everybody know what super footsie is doesn't show lineup up real quick. Let me put on my scissors to cut your hair all my sisters to cut your hair when I'm not trivial edges. Right. Let me go ahead. And just take care of that. You know, you go ahead and shop that chop off for you right there. You ain't getting near near near. We don't get them. Lie number one, white nationalist hate crimes are not on the rise. There's Trump says the hearing today is not about white nationalism or hey, crowns about fearmongering, power and control. She said the goal here is scare blacks Hispanics, gays, Muslims, helping Democrats descending opinions helping them regain control the funk outta here girl with no, no studies. Nothing you just say in supposed to be true lie. Number two, the time. White nationalism has no real meaning. Why supremecy racism why nationalism words that once hail real meaning have now become nothing more than election strategy. She said. This is why we read Email yesterday. I'm like, we can't both is this all I know the both sides. There's no this liberal bubble coming on the roost. We not what did how do you combat this because? Yeah. 'cause either you had to let it be which obviously we see what happens when you let it be. If you don't come back this, and you don't at least point out that is wrong problematic lies at best. Then you just had these people viewing their stuff unbothered, unfiltered, uncensored ages us propagating shit, donate a be or fuck out. I don't wanna go back to labor. I can't talk about nobody else. But I don't ever want to go back there. How do I talk to you nicely? When you deny like facts, don't, you know, like what is it? What is your ego be massage due to to help me? You know, number three. The southern strategy is a myth now this so ridiculous. Because the people used like raises people used to be Democrats now. And then I think it was was Jonathan. Johnson. I think it was. It might. But yeah, it might have been somebody else. I don't want to say it was. But they anyway, when he was like, we gotta let black people vote Democrats that were like. Republicans left the party and say, we will not be supporting these black people in the south voting and the party basically flipped so people that were cool with that basically came Democrats people that weren't who would that became Republicans? Right. That's the southern strategy. Every time people bring it up is well documented people are on record as talking about it. And she just went on national TV and said, it's a myth. That's she said that black republics mistreat about democratic counterparts before having our data. You think themselves and become educated about our history and the myth of things like the southern strategy, which never happened. Another part of scary about this is I remember when? Qaida west wind dug her up and gave her a bigger platform. And I, you know at the time I was like man who listens to kinda west, you know. But I can't I've sent said, you know, obviously, I was wrong on that. But this is the damage part of damaged is on him because he elevated her platform and helped her get on TV. And now she's going she's addressing congress is he's a person to be taken seriously. And of course, she got up, Dan, allied. How can you like everybody thinks truth therm, take you get up there? No one is obligated to tell the truth. People. Get a lot of them all the time. Yes. Been documented millions of times scribe history dot com. Republican party successful plan to get the white. So the population the shift of us from democratic to Republican. Number four, the KKK is only a phenomenon on the left. She made a late as incorrect. Reference to the Koukoulas plan during testimony fossil insistent and notorious hate group was a democratic organization. Once again. So there was no strategy which switched all these races people to different party, right? According to her, but at the same time, those those those klu Klux Klan members that were like democratic voters supporters at the time, they're not still democratic supporters wants the racism shifts parties now she wants them to keep that that's the whole point of saying there's no southern strategy. There's no flip is. So she can be like see so racist always been a democrat thing. Republicans auto party of Lincoln, y'all wouldn't fuck Lincoln and feels allowed today though. Fortunately for you. I'm living today. But yeah, the story is generally agree to KKK was founded by handful of confederate veterans and Pulaski, Tennessee as social fraternity quickly changed to a violent group to terrorize. Newly empowered black and white Republicans in the south. But like I said since the pirates switch and line number five. Of course, Russian collusion is a hoax, and she got to say it is to congress with her hair looking at. Hey, just ages put our her spirits flying will write lookalike Elizabeth homes and her having a split in contests. And nobody told anyone else nobody and she is winning. Apparently, she is she is Trump during the race is I don't it's so insulting that she's a thing because the bar so low, and I didn't even need to look this up. And I knew that the bar was low for her, right? But let's talk about it. She is fraudulent trashy was just following the money from news one dot com. News one staff. Let's talk about her history. She's twenty nine years old. All right. Lawsuit with the Indo Lacey pe-. She now calls the Lacey. Pe- wonder worse groups will black people even though the organization help her win racial discrimination lawsuit in two thousand seven she is she accused the white news racially harassing and threatening to kill her. I was planning the boys where the son of of the in Stanford mayor, Dan, Dan, Malloy, Connecticut, former governor because of the NWC p family received a settlement of thirty seven thousand five hundred dollars from Stanford public schools. Scott ex as Dale the Connecticut NWC P president who helped always with our lawsuit was shocked to hear cheer becoming conservative. We're very sad and disappointed her scenes to me. She's now trying to play a different type of demographic. He said it's just say it's the same type of thing that Clarence Thomas did dot of benefits affirmative action. They try to roll over on. It is that kind of Taliban disrespect. Right. Right. Yeah. But that's to me is interesting because almost like. Right. So dollars our suing Howard for discrimination against her as a white woman, and then just one day being like, but I'm black now and now on this shit. Like, how do you get to just decide you can't just flip the switch on that shit? You know, and it sounds like you're a Griffin. So she was conveniently someone when she was like racial discrimination, hindered me. And then as soon as she decides come conservative, she's like racial discrimination is made up is head. There is no such thing as eight grounds us food to benefit and get money for a hate crime, though. So you lie then you lie now come on. She had a anti-trump website in may two thousand eighteen Busby reported on canvas Owens being the CEO of anti Trump liberal leaning website called degree one eighty always role in twenty fifteen that it was good news. The Republican tea party will eventually die off peacefully and sleep. We hope degree what eighty also talked about. Trump's penis is and him being a racist. With an immigrant wife. The site reportedly shut down by the end, the twenty six hours magically came out conservative on YouTube, a few months later, the bar is so low they will accept these talking points out of a black face period. Won't do any research. They don't vet you. I don't even think they care like, even if you tell them, this is a Griffin that doesn't believe these things they're saying it for money, they will go. I don't care. I will continue to click on her stuff sprayer words because it's more important to have a token over here in the party that says they don't believe in tokenism. That says Democrats token, this there say that everybody's a she doesn't support them. They would they will lower the bar so far for black people that doesn't even exist over there. Fox news. She was fluent in TV stations. And she finally made on the Fox News in March two thousand eighteen she's fit out a line that went viral made our dollar pseudo conservatives always say the National Rifle Association was founded as a civil rights organization that protected black people from the KKK, even the Fox News host. I've never heard that before that's interesting. She never heard of before because the LA. Yep. Prolif- ACA prior. She lied or willfully ignorant Cording to Amazon web site. This may by the lack of marksmanship shown by their troops. Union veterans Colonel William c charge Jorde jor. General George Wingate form the National Rifle Association eighteen seventy one of the primary goal of the sociation would be to promote and the courage rifle shooting on scientific basis. According to the magazine editorial written by church, but still that LA was xactly what certain people want to hear. Another lawsuit back in January of this year. She attack New York Representative Alexandria Cossio Cortes for being fiscally irresponsible because the newly elected congresswoman couldn't afford an apartment in Washington. DC however, reporter Nathan Bernard expose Owens by posting a lawsuit this show. She rented a thirty five hundred dollars apartment lived there for six months rent free. Then claims she got in toxic mold sickness and threatened to sue her landlord to avoid paying rent. A grip. The ace scammer lie is crate like this is the person folks are using to like bludgeoned black people with a just like her videos like liquid say Luba canes. It's like, you're just ending me. Send me JoAnne. This camera videos. My what is this? She allegedly stopped paying rent and September twenty sixteen. There was a victory in January twenty seventeen which coincides her coming out as a conservative only months later. Yeah. She liked those people that have been like our broke, again, whatever it takes literally whatever it takes ain't nothing going known. But the writ as for the mo- claims legal analyst Hct Armenian. She look I got to have a J you'll be with the G O P amoun-. The obvious question is if the place was so unlivable state or six months even rent free. Why not get out of there, especially if you cannot afford apartment for thirty five hundred dollars a month. It's not difficult to identify toxic mold infestations either. If you started to exhibit central seem related to station, why not notify Dr immediately also watch two year later after moving. Now, there are a lot of questions that arise on first glance at this case, she's going to have a huge burden of proof at trial. But she was talking about and Zander Cossio coach as being fiscally irresponsible. In spring of twenty sixteen she had launched an aunt, by the way. None of this apprising to me is like you knew it without knowing it like the first time I seen her video. I was like this part of the fraud and is obvious. But no when someone is saying what you want to hear you're not going to research, it if you're a if you're anti like research, like if you're a party of we don't do research this person saying we wanna see to me, this is the difference. Like, we're right to you said a lot of things that we want to hear why people. And we went you're still a white person in that is a fact, and that's something you need to deal with like you can't just come in and claim blackness for your own. That's not okay. You don't get to colonize our race. Right. That's the difference. Because when they see candidates they don't care that she's Rodman like Republicans raises people biggest just like the school, whatever. Type. She's saying the right thing today. All right in the spring twenty six almost launched their anti cyberbullying website, called social out topsy. She reportedly started Kim name, right? Reportedly started Kickstarter campaign to raise seventy five thousand dollars. He's sure that money CT post dotcom of described the side as a searchable database of offensive speech found on social media always wanted to expose people who would not mislead harass others online, which is known as doctor is a huge. No, no among conservatives. She claims she got pushback from the left, which was allegedly one of the sparks Lyrica to fire, however dot com reported it was right. It was the right who attacked her while almost would the victim of leftist prosecution prosecution or persecution. The the fact is that the initial backlash against social autopsy came mostly cultural liberation away coastal libertarian, which basically like Republicans smug, we opposition to the -tarian left YouTube. Video bloggers Matt Jarboe Monday, Matt and Chris Maldonado Chris Wray good both strong. Critics of social Justice warriors were among the first to blast a project as a terrible idea. Another early negative report came from none other than bright bar. It was written by alum Bokhari, a frequent co author of the not yet disgrace Milo Yannopoulos and a leading force of the Este w left in digital and cultures site wrote. This would make sense because it clearly is clearly people on the right or maga- crazies who don't want to be exposed for the hatred. The like if I'm sitting up here harassing you. Deaf threatening you because your views on line nine nine percent chance that I'm more conservative than I like that's not really like not there. I feel like Democrats such better people or anything. But I just feel like that's not the wheelhouse of what they do because you have to deal with the fallout of doing that to people. So it was like, oh, I just expose person live people, then go with the fuck is wrong with you. You know? But yeah, she basically failed. It all these internet projects that were designed to get like liberal people on board, and because there's more of a vetting more of a vetting. I don't know like process on the left is is harder to make that money. It is especially when you're just faking it you newly on the scene just wanna go viral. And unfortunately, that is what what is wrong with a lot of people. They don't the only thing they value is of us Nick lakes, and the looks and it's easier to get them with a lower bar. And I think also this last defeat of Trump because knowing the man who is a scandal. Artist scam artists a Griffin a failed businessman, a liar proven liar, knowing they rent man can be the head of a country and be elected by you know, how many millions of people I think that the same way that hate crimes increase under him for white nationalism. I feel like scam artists come out to Whitworth day. I haven't motherfucking field day because they know he's big on language. So we can screw them the fuck over and won't should be done. You know, I feel like these scam artists are saying like there's easy money to be made. Because like a lie. A lot of conservative people are making themselves professional marks for these people because hey, if you can just come out and lie to me in a way that I enjoy I will support you. You know, I think this really start people always say, they blame Trump all these lies in the media fake news. He invented that. No. He did a lot of stuff started with Obama. And I don't mean because he was here line. No. I mean, the idea that people were entertained stuff like he's a secret Muslim his birth certificate, clearly a lie. He wasn't born in the United States, his healthcare has death panels on it, those type of lies were propagated and spread and caught on with a lot of people that were supposed to be like seemingly well, meaning like reasonable people. You had like Mitt Romney entertaining. This you had like we act like people actually had to like lionize John McCain for being the person that goes, well, he's not like he's not a Muslim. You know? Like, we were like, wow. Thank god. Somebody said it. That's how bad the environment was people's willingness to embrace their bigotry and believe these negative things about this man, not being Muslim negative. But you know, what I'm saying? Like, it never mind. It is to be able to do that. That started with Obama people rejecting the idea this black leader, right? And so now, we've come to like, the the the apex of it, which is people profiting off of literally the opposite thing that they say the day before as she is not alone. Eight this is like a blueprint Derek ton of black voices that are now making money off of conservatives that completely were not with this shit just two or three years ago. Right because this money to be made Donald still gotta be paid dominant. Silk on Fox News now. Yes, sir. Got their own YouTube. They're getting paid to just go on TV and say, the save racist stuff that black voice can say that white people will go, I know, I'll get in trouble for saying that sucker, but they can send you a video of a black card saying there, and there's a lot of people willing to be that Jason Whitlock is willing to be that, you know, sheriff Clarke he's willing to be that can this is willing to be that. Kanye west was willing to be that. So it's kinda like, you know, if you're eating to see this. I feel like everyone in this chat. There's not one person that's going to say they were surprised by anything. I just read because we're all like we've seen playbook before. So sure is iota Hydrocare. She's permanent hundred all right? I also give her a hundred. I don't know. I try not to I try to save it all for the podcast. You know, when I was seeing it, but I can't lie and seeing so many clips of her share talking before congress. Like, I don't know how you can look at that. And not feel like our country is saying to like a new low even not not that. It's never been worse. I is obviously been worse if you know any history within my lifetime. Yeah. But this is like a new like public discourse load, a grip. They're like her will be brought before congress to just lie right in motherfucking. You take. You took this woman seriously enough to actually bring before congress somebody who has no background in news. Don't know what the fuck. They're talking about has no goddamn credentials and 'bout harass before congress. There was so many better qualified people for y'all to talk to right. And that's the thing. This like I hate to go back to this yesterday. But this is what I'm talking about. What that Email when you lower the bar so much to just we're just disappointed just we're just kinda like disagreeing and both sides have issues and neither side is perfect. When you just lowered a bar that far you start letting in some riffraff like this. There is no left side of this thing. What whatever this is where it's like somebody has their own facts. And then they get a national platform to say crazy shit. There is no there is no left thing like that. Because there's so many checks and balances on the left sometimes the detrimental. Left. I would even say where you know, somebody can be like a unifying figure, and we will find a way to tell them that. They're not right. But I'm just saying there's there's no counterfactual for this. There's no one has ever gotten to talk to congress and just told lives, but they were left. This is like, you know, what I mean like climate change don't each babies is no thing. And then when they go, ma'am, that's not true. I said it is so true, you know, at one point asked her about white nationalism. And she claims she hadn't said something and one of the congresspeople, literally pulled up their phone and played the clip of her saying the exact fucking opposite as shit. They're like, you said this, and you're here lying to our faces which I'm like, why did you even invite her? That's my home of the fucking point. She was not qualified. You wasted taxpayer's money to bring high up there to guide them. Why do you like I appreciate that? He came with his facts and his receives no. No shade to him. But I wish that he never had entertained her being in that damn mom because he's little like thirty second hour clips, they're cute. But she's still got to get a dance you lies for hours, and it really solidifies her brand where her people who think she's like an outsider truth teller day. The world is trying to shut down. And so they go. Yeah. They bullied you. They would listen. But you told the truth sister is another hit for your pay pal? Let me hit your cash out real quick. What what you find raising the shift for like y'all wouldn't invite Dr Omar's dumb ass up there. My don't do not invite him up there. Imagine if like during Obama's air like two Regan she was up there dressing. We'd be like what is happening anyway. All right. Let's get our last game guess race. That it's time for some guest. That's right. It's time. Now that is time for some guests. That's right guest. Always time. But if that's right. It's time for. The race the number. I gave she'll go to cross all the podcast we read the played news from all over the globe. And we asked how contentious today the chat room and Karen two guests race. And of course, everybody's playing is or style, right? We we may. We have comedy. I just want to get to loud. This all y'all. And also, I mad. Yeah. She get a hundred. Home after dropping off passengers Uber driver allegedly breaks into tries to break into a home after dropping off passengers at our airport. Oh, man, if this isn't every like frequent travelers worst nightmare. Like what kind of question the cost? What are you going? Yeah. That's how long are you gonna be gone, right? What's the parents along? Disney's why particularly a lot of women. They use these services don't mind to be excellent questions the fuck up. Give me what I need to be because particular men are driving and they start inquire. But no, no, you don't you? All you need is you need to because there is this not as my friend's house. Right. Like, why you need to know if I live here, California. Uber driver is accused of burglarizing homes shortly after dropping his occupants airport. Jackie Gordon Wilson. Thirty eight of Rancho Rancho Cordova was reportedly working as Uber driver when he bought customers to the San Francisco International airport, April fourth within our doorbells Valence video allegedly show Wilson turn into the home and Airbnb that the customers staying in. He came back to this house and try to burglarize it however alarm went off allegedly scaring Wilson away police claim he broke into a house a few blocks. Away. Instead, I guess not to be deterred. Could you imagine on top of that by then you own your plane, a wherever you going? So when you get the alert, you know, how you up in the air you, you ain't get national. You'll phone because you're right. You talking about you. Passengers we we're about to land at Charlotte, Douglas international airport. You know, you can now turn to your phone. That's why you pay extra for the internet service. Come on. He tore apart the whole house toss everything every piece of furniture mood. He opened my safe residents people. They actually got Ryan. How's they got rob? Wow. Do people that didn't have lawns and shit. Go home. You said is how was ransacked and that the rings Valence video Wilson allegedly leaving the home with bags filled with belongings over series of several hours may home. I'll, but they did have a rain Cottam doorbell footage of Wilson reportedly led to identify information. When the Uber app led them to his home around the clock investigation. Led to to the suspect's home in Rancho Cordova a suburb of Sacramento police say in the press release he was taken into custody and a search warrant was served at his residence. So I guess they ain't got the nosy neighbors. It becomes looking at everybody. House, but I was out for was going through your shit. They also I mean shit. That's I mean, he robbing at certain times a day or by probably at work too. They also reportedly recover some items taken from the second residence. We'll stay has been charged with burglary and attempted burglary is not clear Wilson has a lawyer who can speak on his behalf we remove the drivers access to the app. They always do that. Like now that he's killed three people. We took him out the apps. So don't worry. Uber customers you're safe. Right. And so that's why we're going to continue to have these conversations. Because now you got people were by a if you pick me. Okay. So now, you know instead of picking me up from my house, I'm gonna have you on the corner sheet lie dead. So I you come to my home. All right, guys and care. I guess the race of Jackie Wilson. Don't wear chat lack black. Okay. Karen's going with black. Let's check the chatrooms C which are guesses are Jackie Wilson named after the. Fail. Doo-wop groups thing and daddy black white entitled do who didn't raise the switching as he bolted. Moly cleaned them out. His other side gig was called robber, black hustle, man. Now driving for lift black. Black. Why as as you can is on his face? Black black ads folks gaming gaming black black. It's you're not flying spirit airlines. I'm robbing you black nosy nigga black. I saw this article. Okay. Well, that's cool. Crown Royal enthusiast. The correct as is black heels a black, man. Crown Royal duties. That's larry. Yes. Daddy, is some ideas they white though. You work for that lifting cracking me up to because. Yeah, he lift us and thanks for your house. Right. I worked for lift the app, and then I come back and lift your wallet come on. All right. Let's see a man was arrested. Oh, eight hundred not this one. Let's do a different one. How about? A woman was arrested after buying a Cadillac with a bag check for one hundred thousand dollars you can run a check for one hundred thousand dollars. I mean, I mean, if people accept it, are you paying are you going to bring cash I mean, what are the options with I don't I've never made a hundred thousand dollar transaction can me. I don't I don't know mitten outlet. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like. That's a lot of money is going to be a Saka cash. Dollar bills. Case. I don't know what you what one hundred thousand dollars he'll have hundred thousand dollar problems or solutions, either my band. I'm speaking from there'd be like, why would you accept that? Check that big. Helen Queensberry sixty nine of Marian was picked up Monday on a warrant for grand theft over a hundred thousand dollars. Business shit. Like, okay. I can see that. Okay. That makes sense. But I guess you can do for your personal account to. Okay, I'm Simpson as you. I don't know. I don't know. I don't I don't know. Don't get a hell in Quincy sixty nine regard. Marion oaks was big Monday of the warrant by about good. We'll favor for she was released for the Marikana jail late Monday night, ten thousand dollars bond. According to a report by column police detective, Mark crock. Oh and officer went to elevate Cadillac on October third to take a report on the sales manager stated that in early September of former customer identified as queens wisdom berry and a man came into the dealership to buy twenty eighteen Cadillac Escalade, the majett Quincy berry gave him a check for one hundred thousand seven hundred ninety one dollars sixty six he says he told them to hold onto the check until transferred funds to count court report. The manager say. Agree to the request because quiz berry had recently tried it in a vehicle for new app. Pay the difference with check. Oh, the Griff was a long time. Also, I didn't think you could do that with that much money of a check to be like, I don't get paid to Friday, right? Fucking don't cash still have to. Okay. One hundred thousand. 'cause even cash your check, and you got the hat of money put him to cut the cash your check. I don't know the woman's. Yeah. I think so to say quiz Murray and the man got into new SUV and left when the magic the Bank of few days later, he was told it was not a nerve in account to cover the check the manager say he tried calling her and the man, but could not reach them. He did reach quiz and very early October. And she told him that the man who had a company her to the dealership had the vehicle and was in Kentucky. Quiz Umberto to manage. She did not want anything to do with the Cadillac now. You don't okay? So you think maybe the main guy her like pay for the Cadillac and then left her? But baby you all scam. You didn't have that money. Proc Otane subpoena for quizzing Burs Bank records found her account had not contained any amount close to one hundred thousand dollars the tech the contact in December. And she admitted the buying the Cadillac Escalade. The report says she told him the documents list and Khobar and that she gave a sales person to check quiz Burs says she laid a change your mind about the purchase a had her brother returned a Cadillac, according to the recipes. She said the man who had gone to Diller shit with their again and left with the Cadillac. A man took it to Kentucky report said Texas. She went to Kentucky to retreat as you. But did not find it. She told her to take she had been planning to transfer funds from an investment account into the checking to make the purchase but could not do. So because she learned investment funds were not available to March take to say, she he could not find quiz and birds brother does he exist? No, it may December Cadillac stop in Kentucky by lexin police department officer, it was sees and later recover by Sullivan Cadillac, the driver of the man who will come and quiz. Berg was not arrested. So it was in Kentucky. And he was one piece of truth. Maybe he gave us some good dick and was like I'll be right back. I'm going to cigarettes going cigarettes with the Cadillac never came back. Maybe can't guess the race of Helen cuisine. Berg all this sounds white inquisitive. Okay, cares going with white. Lemme ask you guys chat. Dick would make slap somebody white white shenanigans. Elizabeth home scamming as auntie white icon, JoAnne scam Caucasian woman joined scam or black go boat. Wow. Back-back differences Candice Owens approved white escalate that's some black people trying to come up. See the way my checking and savings kind of set a black. I need to get to the piggly-wiggly. Why why make checks white Mike checks? Why name sound white situation? Sound nego? Why I guess why? Last night sounds like a Harry Potter desert. So why she partaking Hennessy and backwoods with her black Queen white. They not check it. They're not taking a check that big from a nigga white. Country. Whites netting is the correct answer is and so many guys went will white and all of you that did that got it wrong. She is she is black. Caned is right about child. Niggers y'all racist against white people. I won't policies from everyone in the chat room. And of course, a few you dig it, right? A handful. That's like some dick omega slapped on bodies types. It sixty nine years old and you doing that now like this. Why get rid of I agree. People not supposed to be getting dick matai sixty nine. I'm sorry. Come on out here. Right. And chase. You know, you can't cash. Trying to blame him he left baby. All right. Let's go to the bonus for house. Doubled up home and. That's right. Points race in the bonus round guest race, so far cairn is one and one. But how will she finished guys? Only one way to find out. All right. Tennessee man is accused of killing his mom who was driving him crazy. And he asked his co workers for help with his alibi. Tennessee man, allegedly killed the seventy six year old mother over the weekend as his cO to workers to take pictures of him at work to help form an alibi. Did you tell them that? That's some what'd you get into this weekend. It's funny story, man. Jon Rao, fifty one attempted attempting to flee the country on Saturday when US cousin the border protection agents and the US Marshall service corner him at Hartsfield Jackson international airport in Atlanta, nearly three hundred miles from Tennessee of home, you share with his mother man must have been a hell of a thing to witness and airport. I was sitting everybody getting knocked over by the police damn future developing there. He was charged. I agree murder in the death of Edith, Betty Ralph who he'd say he said repeatedly was driving him crazy. He live rapid with his mother had already made numerous statements to France, a family that his mother was driving him. Crazy said shares office Jon Rao was arrested on Saturday, April six two thousand nineteen for the murders. My Tennessee police discovered a woman's body on Saturday at their shared home in northeast, Tennessee. She died from severe head trauma and several gunshot wounds. I don't wanna shame people that live with their parents. But like mad stories of men living what they mama end up on our show. Don't end what is happening. Like, yo you obviously has issues in life, and your mom was nice enough to let you stay there. What you doing to kill a man has appreciation probably don't pay rinks around your name on juicer shit. He don't Jon Rao, Jon Rao previously. I ask orcas photograph him at work in case. Something happened to his mother. That's an odd excuse that don't sound like a criminal conspiracy. At all. I would take you know, I won't. But my flash you only can you take pictures of my hands and make sure there's no cuts on I'll I don't know evidence. I don't want to. I didn't see it post this on Facebook at nine forty five Saturday night and say just hanging out with my homie. Thank you this thing. You know, I gotta be all up in the court room and all your snapped. No. Thank you the night of MRs rows murder. John ask how we're going to take pictures of him at work saying if anything happened his mother, he wouldn't either alibi. John Ralph was arrested on Saturday for the murderer mother and Tennessee police in Carter county, Tennessee where the rouse live said that they were proud of the thirties. Quick work of catching the suspect. I mean king you really be proud or the mother that basically left the blueprint that I did this on your doorstep. I mean, is it really great detective work. If you could have just like. Wit on Twitter and found out. You definitely kill your, mama. Like, everybody likes you like we would like to some happen to your -ployees mother. And we just wanna talk to him about it. Oh, he finally killed her. Okay. It's close. Okay. Thank he was just killing just wanted. Tom take picture and everything cooking evidence that leads to suspect Don route we learned purchaser airline ticket for Amsterdam. Guess he's gonna go get high. Then Atlanta at ten twenty that evening. I don't even know we have extradition Amsterdam John Roberts being held enjoyed on a million dollars bond extradition. Tennessee is unclear if he's obtaining turning if you had the money to take your ass to answer the down. Why eating you just do that? Instead of murdering your, mama. You could move out got your own two bedroom apartment one bedroom. What is the logic? Guess the rice care? Why cares going with white? That. Oh, cliche. White people kill the name mamas. The cliche sticking it at reliable. Being mood going to Amsterdam. Let me ask the chat room. What they think is is that it two days in a pass, my mom, and it's such a bitch. Why ain't no southern black boy trying to kill his, mama. White folks. I as in one family white Norma Bates why Bates motel why? Would you stifle Edith Archie bunker, y Oedipus white Norman base? Why rocky top nerd neck, mama? Got Dominica pieces y of standing white, man. White just dumb, and why almost white flight almost. Yeah. Almost made it his mom. Probably messed up his fort night match. Why only the remix of old town road would Billy white man's rights. Activists white went out of the country. White, man. The correct answer is, and I think all you guys said white, and all you guys got it. Correct. He's white. I was wrong. I am today. Also, like, dude, you are way too old to be killing your mom, not that does like acceptable age rain rent. But like, it's different. When we read these stories, and I was like a fifteen year old kid or something like you are grown, man. What are you doing and you had to get away plans? So you can't even be like is some type of like glitch in the matrix, my mental health like no nigga, you're planning to have on a plane and escape on some JAMES BOND shit. You did that and desert to go jail forever. Which means his momma is probably a hurts seventies. Eighties. What was she even doing get on your nerves? I don't even wanna know. It's probably some simple shit light. Can you at least clean up after yourself killed? You know, she was do the most mundane simple of shit. All right last name. Let's see a PR a man businesses girlfriend and pulls out of sword. As one does driving by ex girlfriend's house. A manager a sword at the site of a woman's male friend, the eleven thirty pm about eleven thirty pm on Thursday, the police guy cow. They showed up to see a female having trouble where ex-boyfriend so domestic and just happened to be feel by having a sort. The female resit. Debbie's ex boyfriend stopped by one or two talk. Why did you have a sword? If you just wanted to talk come out, she asked him to leave, but he initially declined. Oh, okay. Get out of here. I decline I doubt this out. That makes it very very cordial. But the whole toward thing afterwards. I feel a bit foreshadowing and that a male friend came out of house and ask them ex-boyfriend to leave the French police ex-boyfriend got a small sore from his car was provoking him report stated, but the ex boyfriend left I had to call a call to the police Debbie starts to area, but could not locate days worth oh, that's scary. Well, then house that they end when did you find that they ended a man hunt? You know, who it is get them. Good gre-. All right. That's it. For today's episode. Thanks so much for listening. Everybody appreciate all. And. Yeah. We'll talk to you guys. I think I haven't even scheduled when we're doing Bazi with Justin that'll be soon. I don't think I've schedule an inert off Friday afternoon because the nerd off week. So we'll see you guys in and freeloaders we'll see you back Saturday for feedback show until then I love you.

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Podcast 115: Into the Bluegrass with Mel Hankla

Tales of American History

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Podcast 115: Into the Bluegrass with Mel Hankla

"Welcome to tales of american history. The witnessing history education foundation podcast educating americans to understand the history of their country and of other countries so that they will appreciate the value of america's unique free institutions. I am genevieve brown. And today our host kent masterson brown and i are speaking with our special guest mel. Hank la this podcast is sponsored by donors who support the witnessing history education foundation a five zero one c three nonprofit become an american hero who participates in our mission by joining us at witnessing history dot org the website of the witnessing history education foundation all gifts are tax deductible and support the foundation's work of making high quality films podcasts and teacher education materials available to the public worldwide free of charge view the foundations documentary films on the website and on the foundations new youtube platform view. Also the foundations free teacher education materials that conform to grade level education standards at the website and at pbs learning dot. Org follow witnessing history on facebook and twitter. Now take a journey. Back through time with kent masterson brown and his guest mel la and let their storytelling transport you to the most compelling moments in american history dr hanke has recently authored a beautiful book richly illustrated with colour photography entitled into the bluegrass. Art an artistry of kentucky's historic icons. He's a native kentucky in and has a distinguished academic background. He's the founder of american historic services. Llc the contemporary long rifle association any also serves as the editor of cla's magazine american tradition. He's on the advisory board of the museum of early southern decorative arts in salem north carolina. And he's a member of the american society of arms collectors. We're very proud that he joins us today. In lexington for our podcast. Welcome dr hank. La mail i i want to thank you. First of all for For being here. And it's an absolute pleasure to have you. And i gotta tell you. Your book is got to be one of the most beautiful books. I think i have ever seen in an anti subject. And the fact that it is into the bluegrass and the story of kentucky's great icons makes it even more remarkable in that You talk about things that came out of kentucky's early years that very few people have ever talked about. And the one thing you notice if you just flip through the pages and by the way for all of those who are listening This is the most beautifully illustrated book one can imagine Most of the illustrations are in color Many of the illustrations that you see Are of rifles. when we're going to go into those you would call kentucky rifles. And but there are other things and Holloway ours a coin. Silver ladles Furnishings chest to drawers desks. Bookcases Produced during the very early years of kentucky's existence and its statehood and It makes mail for an absolutely gorgeous piece of work. And i want to first of all congratulate you on. It is just beautiful. Thank you thank you so very much. It's a. It's something that i really had in mind to do for many many years. Probably twenty five or thirty anyway and two years ago now at the kentucky history center house the curator for an exhibit that we called into the bluegrass rifles of frontier kentucky It was sponsored between the kentucky history center and the kentucky long rifle foundation and I was able to pull together. Maybe as many as half of the artistic kentucky long rifles that are in existence long with artifacts that belonged to general. George rogers clark. And and some other greats from the state of kentucky But that was the impetus for the book really started building catalogue. If you will riding a catalog to to have to go along with this exhibit. That was up for six months to kentucky history center and the next thing i knew i was two hundred pages into a and then i just realized that it was it was time. It was time to start. You know telling this story and and I just kept seeing this tapestry. If you will kentucky's cultural fabric. And i just wanted to write about it and educate i. I consider myself an educator. And i've worked in education pretty much my entire life and So this this was a way for me to do that before. I forgot some of this stuff. And and as the book grew i started looking for things to add whether it be in a wonderful early kentucky. Pottery that was made up on the on the river advance. Berg and maysville are silver by blanchard. Here and lexington are some of the wonderful furniture that was made across the state of kentucky. And and i just felt that it all had a place at all needed to be blended together and these colors put together. Yeah in this tapestry. Yeah well you're absolutely right. We there was a somewhat of a predecessor book to yours and that was the the book that came out. Not too many years ago called collecting kentucky and but it was more about furnishings Really all about furnishings coin silver flatware hala wear all of those kinds of things. What's remarkable remarkable about yours is the introduction of of the kentucky rifle to all of this and in fact even pipe tomahawks even carved or scrimshaw powder horns. All those things are now interjected into this story of kentucky's artistry by your book and You know but for the rifle there wouldn't have been any of the other forms of st would there now. No you're exactly right and and G laser and she an gosh now drawing a blank owner last honor for last name's howard but anyway that produce collecting kentucky. What a wonderful book that is and you know they featured seven or eight. Maybe even nine of the extensive collections of kentucky antiquities in their book. But what i wanted to do with this first of all. There's there's nothing in the book that i don't can't lay my hands on a primary document to authenticate it and really the book is not about the artifacts that are the nation in the book. But it's really about the stories of either. Their makers are their owners right and all of these people tied together and as you kind of alluding to a while ago i. I've tried to talk about this book as a tapestry. And you know all cloth when it's woven there is a particular thread called a whiffed That holds that piece of cloth together. All the other threads are woven on the west and the kentucky rifle that you mentioned such an iconic thing you go anywhere in the world and you say kentucky rifle and they envisions long barrelled. Where with a beautiful patch box and and he you know. Davy crockett or or daniel boone. From the the and that's really made it. Famous in our lifetime was fast. Parker malt disney all over and doing these dang ability. Baby crockett series. But this kentucky this iconic kentucky long rival is truly the whiffed yeah of kentucky's cultural fabric and this cultural fabric is beautiful. But if it hadn't been for this rival When people come into kentucky first of all most had come from places where guns real legal They had never before needed a rifle needed something to go to war with or to protect themselves with Are to feed themselves with a never before. Had they had to worry about a cougar. Mountain lion or a bear are the other kinds of animals. that as the pioneers. Come in and tried to cross through cumberland gap or in some way get across the appalachian mountain chain and frontier kentucky. There were so many things including the indians They they needed this rifle four but without it they didn't eat without it. They didn't You know one of the quotes in the book you know one of the great things. Somebody was asking kentucky frontiers from woman. That's why did you come to kentucky. He said i came to get to see a fine ric house rise out of the cane break and it took this rifle. This rifle was the number one tool of the day and they were very very artistic now. That's not to say they all were because there were many cheaply made rifles that That even the common man could have owned. But as we know lexington biting hundred was called the athens of the west right So these wonderful long rifles were being produced here in lexington. It waveland plantation by the bryant. Family chapter in the book on the bryan family. And and then that even goes into the powder horns that you'd mentioned a while ago the oh family from from georgetown started producing this group powder horns but all of these things come together and hold this west this tapestry of our cultural fabric together and the book started to mature. I had to start doing some research. I didn't know anything about kentucky. Pottery and and now reached an reached out to some people that i knew that had been students brindell. Brenda handle mud. That i had met through the museum of early southern decorative. Archie was worked in the library there and had done several wonderful talks about the the pottery out of maysville kentucky advanced bird kentucky and and using her research is a foundation was able to learn more to where i could kind of hack out chapter on not so much on the pottery but again the people that were making the pottery stories of these potters. And but i wanted to philidal- the most interesting chapters in the book to me. And when i say chat a lot of these would could be vignettes there only three or four three or four pages long less than a lot of you know fourteen fifteen hundred words but i wanted it to be that away because i know a lot of time i'm laying in bed and i'm looking to a book and the next chapter you know is ten twelve fourteen pages long i. I'm not going to invest anymore time. I'm going to go and go to bed. But if it's a couple of three or four pages i wanna read this so i wanted to. I wanted to make it an easy read. But i wanted all of these stories to blend together. All of these are colors to blend together whether it be the the kentucky penitentiary no and and i talk about the you know the early justice here in the state of kentucky and As well as all of the the silver makers all of the other things again we're living in in in the difficult time right now There's so many people in our country you say this word gun are rifle and they immediately build up this wall. Then they're not gonna look. They're not even going to take a chance to say well. What what is this. And in that day this rifle this kentucky rifle was the number one tool of the day you know and i ten years ago. I would said that it would have been like the automobile now. It's closer to the cell phone. But but the difference with that rifle it was a status symbol much like an automobile and the study of these rifles I'm going to say a lot of the people. That's listening to this If they meet a nineteen fifty seven chevrolet coming down the highway. They're gonna be able to recognize it and they're going to be able to tell the difference between it and fifty five ford and if you study these rifles. They're the same way a lot of times. You can pick one up with no signature. You can tell within ten or fifteen miles of where it was made and within four or five years when it was made just by the subtle differences in the architecture. Wow wow there's a there's a great Endorsement of your book by by frank house. And i want to read this to the listeners. A because it really sums up kind of my feelings about your book He says whether a seasoned artist impassioned collector dedicated historian or one who simply calls the bluegrass state home. There is much to be gleaned from dr mel. Hank was lifelong love affair with everything kentucky stories of priceless treasures tales. Pioneer men and women victories and triumphs epic's struggles and tragic losses all the while deftly knitting a narrative that places historic and invaluable icons into a tangible story of a robust and dynamic frontier kentucky. Now that is a that is a deg already. Well say and of course coming from a real gun maker himself frank house But it is it it. It does tell all of it. I wanna i wanna go into a little discussion here for per second about his words Pioneer men and women victories and triumphs epic struggles and tragic losses We have all of that and kentucky's frontier history. These people came in to Kentucky which mail. It was not settled by anybody at all when they arrived now We often here And at times when we play the film we made on the life of daniel boone. People might say well you know. He took the land of the native americans. Well he didn't there. Were no native. Americans in kentucky by seventeen fifty four the last small trading post which was now settled in in in clark county kentucky called escapade. Kathy had vanished and that was it now it was used to hunt by the tribes in the north as well as the south but none of them lived here and so they come into this this part of the world and they come in here at a time. Seventeen seventy four seventy five when the world now is at war again and britain and the colonies are at war. And the british side with the tribes simply. Because they don't have the manpower to do it themselves and so you get this this horrific bloody struggle out here for this area for this region and truly it is a it is a land. There were Victories and triumphs an epic struggles but also tragic losses were. They're not absolutely absolutely and you know just to get here and again i started mentioned this awhile ago. The vast majority of people that were coming into kentucky or new immigrants to america. We've got to remember that america Was was in its infancy and so many of these people were coming over on the boats They didn't stay long in. Philadelphia are along the eastern seaboard. And they started this This migration westward this westward expansion of america that that ultimately all all the way to california and the west coast But there were terrible. There were terrible tragedies offsides there was tragedies with the indians. The indians were fighting months. Theirselves the sean as was five hundred cherokees and the seminoles and and you know and and oh. I've had people argue. Well they were living in kentucky there were camps that were people that were coming here and stay here. But the vast majority of them were renegades and they'd been run off other tribes and then. You've got Richard henderson And seventeen and i can't recall the data. believe it seventeen. Gosh anyway up forgotten But but he literally traded with indians for fifty thousand dollars worth of giggles shiny silver and beads and things for all of the the the land south again. I'm gonna. I'm gonna lie if i start talking about these boundaries. But it's basically from the the ohio river over to the kentucky river and down to the cumberland river cumbersome it was a huge section of ground that he illegally traded for from from the indians and the indians were as mad about. It is because the people that tried to get him didn't have the authority or the ownership to to do that but but It was going to be. The new transylvania transylvanian means across the woods and boone. That's been ended up into kentucky. Because he was hired by richard henderson to blaze the trail the wilderness road and boonsboro was going to be the capital in the new capital of the of Transylvania so there was just movement going on it was it was an expansion. It was it was immigration and it was the the tracks of immigration as new americans. Were heading list or yeah. Yeah that The tree that Henderson negotiated with the with the shawny With the cherokee rather At sick at Sycamore shoals down. The taga river was in march. Seventeen seventy five daniel. Boone would be hired by him to cut a road. A path from cumberland gap to the kentucky river. What is now we call the kentucky river and the and that would be the capital wherever that was at the at the on the bank of the kentucky river and boone got to what is now the site of boonsboro on april first having cut that path with a large group of axeman but we a lot of people don't connect this dot and that is that's april first eighteen days later on april nineteen or the opening shots on the lexington grain in massachusetts that started the american revolution and that thing would expand across all the colonies and the territories beyond the appalachians and The war out here was particularly rough particularly difficult and particularly bloody and I was flipping through a mail. a A some work that Our friend late j winston cullman put together and For the for the british to begin an invasion of kentucky in seventeen eighty. This is the summer of seventeen eighty There was a record. An account of what the british were going to give to the combined tribes that would join the invasion and First of all there were seven hundred fifty pounds of vermillion and that was used for paint put on their faces. Eight thousand pounds of powder. Fourteen thousand nine hundred seventy five ball lead and shot for the rifles luckas. Four hundred seventy six dozen. Scalping knives and one hundred eighty eight tomahawks is what they gave the tribes on the eve of they launching that invasion. And you mentioned in your book. How one of your favorite gunsmiths Settled on the banks of the south fork of the licking river. Right across from the site of shuttle-station station that right near martin's station is in bourbon county. And of course it was those two stations that were struck by that invasion force and i mean in a gruesome way where the the british had artillery pieces with them. Two of them they threatened to open fire And is incredible. Captain isaac shuttle agreed to surrender ruttles station. And then the british lose control of the tribes. And they go in. And begin massacring Once they kill as many as i guess they wanted and took prisoners with the rest at a rental station. They crossed over and did the same thing to martin station. And i mean these. Are the these are the tragedies that That house is talking about and his is comment about your book and we lose sight of just how. What a struggle it was to settle kentucky and what was the west beyond the appalachian mountains and Yet it's fascinating that the rifles the thing. That's that's used to defend this place and to provide for food as well but that you know no sooner had that war finally come to an end in kentucky was long after the treaty of paris in seventeen eighty three but nevertheless by mid seventeen eighty s You're starting to see civilization explode here. And it's this remark by j winston calm. And he says it's in your book says the mark of the tomahawk was still fresh on the forest trees when early travellers to kentucky noted with surprise the exquisite silverware on the frontier. It was so fun about your book. Is that the very men who made the rifles. We're the ones who were many of them. Were also making this. Well they again. I go back to lexington kentucky this bluegrass region being the athens of the west and by eighteen hundred. You know we've got people coming in leaving that you know that it's Comparable to philadelphia. You know the the artwork and the furniture and and it was a cosmopolitan region. You know they talk about early kentucky. And i've never really seen it written but it's one of the first places that there was not a lot of discrimination going on even irish in the bluegrass region. I'm not saying everywhere. But in the bluegrass region everyone was being welcome in everyone was working together and it was It was quite a place. Utopia there for you know for many years. Yeah i mean even even the frankly. I remember in one of winston coleman's texts in pamphlet. He did on the british invasion of kentucky. Even the commander of the british in detroit. Who gave the okay for henry. Bird to launch that invasion. That ended up ruttles station. He commented that the the land the settlers who who are pouring into kentucky. The land is settlers. Want is second to none on earth in terms of its fertility and usefulness. Now that's a that's a british officer from detroit meghan say but like that because he's hearing. This place is absolutely spectacular. Well and there was a whole you know there was a large percentage of the group ruttles and martin station that were germans and they'd moved into here from bronx the bronx gap region. What is now rockingham county virginia. Will they had friends and family. That had come in and it settled around the rattled and martin stations region and they were captured. They re either killed or they were taken by bird in the indians. Detroit will be seventeen eighty three. You had friends and family moving in to pick up the pieces and see what was left and to take those lands that had been climbed. So there's there's a constant stream of these virginians That had been here way early in the seventeen forties and it stayed in the bronx gap region from twenty five or thirty years but but there was a huge migration of these virginians. That was coming into kentucky to pick the pieces. Yeah yeah let me go into a few. Just just i want you to talk about a few gunsmiths okay. you know it's interesting mel to You can look like. Joe kindy book on thoughts on the kentucky rifle in the golden age spectacular book unbelievable. It's the model. it's the bible. But those guns are all pennsylvania gunsmiths in for the most part and and what's so interesting they call those kentucky rifles to way for but but what what you have delved into our ones who made those rifles in kentucky so they are true kentucky rifles yes and I touched upon this just a minute ago. When we talked about ronald and martin station they humble. Brothers settling in Too far from conrad humble humble was one who settled right near the site of martin stations. Tell me about tiller viewers about them the humble boys. I'm on back up. Just a minute to this. A moniker if you will of kentucky rifle there's been age old cold war if you will between the state of pennsylvania and the state of kentucky over the nomenclature this gun. I said awhile ago you could go anywhere in the world and say kentucky rifle and they knew what you were talking about well and i believe it was nineteen sixty three. There's actually a chapter in in the book about this Bill scranton from from Pennsylvania the governor of pennsylvania had issued a challenge to the state of kentucky to the to the shooter's of kentucky and he wanted for us to take fifteen marksman bring them to boons homeplace in pennsylvania. Right outside reading and shooting match. And if they beat us the name for here ever after was going to be pennsylvania raffle in our logic of it is is that this that really pennsylvania and board of virginia's were this gun evolved and what we know it as the kentucky rifle however where it was made famous and where these guns were being made to use was kentucky and kentucky. At that time was across the woods across the mountains it would have included tennessee and ohio. This term kentucky was where people were were going to the first wave of migration But it's just the unbel- brothers is part of the bunch. That moved from rockingham county. Virginia into the ruttles meals area The earliest gunsmith that we have recorded that we can document. There's squire boone was gunsmith. There's none of these guns that we can document there's none signed There is a tomahawk that that descended in his family that Family history says that he made it in. I think he probably did was trained in philadelphia and would have been a wonderful gun maker. But there's there's something more to this again. i. I said a while ago talking about this. This status symbol these rifles. Were not only a status symbol to the owner but to the maker and michael ombo come in with james harried. He was here but seventeen seventy four. He was an arm. Or for. George rogers clark when when he started out from from louisville. Actually there's a historical marker on the corner of main and seven street in louisville of of michael gun shop and cool And he's buried by seventeen eighty three he was in Wrought on the mercer bowl county lines And he's he's buried there but then we've also found the remnants of his gun shop there we really and so his gun shop was there. We know where he's gun shop was that Then conrad moved in later. He wasn't here until probably again. I'm thinking seventeen eighty seven Having trouble recall dates today for some reason but they but he had a son named noah and noah actually apprenticed with his uncle. Michael there was even after after conrad died. He actually sat in seventeen ninety. And there's only one rifle known that signed by him in the book. And there's i guess now. We have three rifles. That are signed. Michael one that belonged to to Gosh captain james floyd that still in the family. And then there's the and you mentioned. Joe candidate The the the my colombo rifle come from the kindred collection i been able to purchase the conrad unbel- rifle and i started Pouring through the books and this thoughts on the kentucky rifle and its golden age that can dig wrote in nineteen sixty is considered the bobble if you will in the long in the long rifle the kentucky rifle world and among go back to this quick to even in pennsylvania. We've got documents now for a long time. People kept saying this kentucky rifle. Come from the song the battle of new orleans that was done. You know after the battle of new orleans but it was really common. This term was really common bay tino three and new york baltimore. London newspapers to describe it interest. Grab this gun. But we now have documented. That's dated seventeen ninety eight At a pennsylvania gun shop listing what he made and one of the top of firearms that he made were kentucky rifles even in pennsylvania. This this term was was being used. But but going back to michael. Michael and joe kennedy had started studying and i had went to kindergarten. And we're talking about six hundred rifles just kind of leaned up against the wall and and i started going through these rifles and i didn't see anything and he told me nothing was for sale and and But anyway and so. I went through. All of these guns and my friend are landing. I dedicated the book to. That's kinda my mentor. And my daddy and best friend who's now eighty eight years old and still going strong But he was talking to joe and they were having a conversation and and you know. I thought man i better go through these again and half halfway around the room now not once all day you know. These are so many you know we're talking to an excess of six hundred so so so many rifles you kind of have to have a rhyme or reason and it's real overwhelming so i was kind of going from my left to the right the same way that i would read now not once during the day had ever reached back at always pulled out what was in front of me and get it went on to the next one and i was halfway around the room and for some reason i reached back maybe three feet i mean a long reach and picked up a gun picked up a rifle in one of the things as collector and as a student of these rifles for years and looking at a rival of made the exercise to not look for a signature but rather to look at the artwork and to test myself to teach myself how to locate where this rifle was made by architecture and bites artwork and when it was made by those same subtle architectural differences but this time immediately when i picked it up i wrote it over and i could clearly see h. u. mba liam top of the borough and the only reason that i could read that was because i had seen the conrad unbel- and i wreck you know immediately and how would have never thought that joe hindenburg had heard a word of anything that i was saying and his daughter was there jennifer and and jennifer said what have you found and joe just kind of stopped and he stuck his arm out and he said you're man a now the jokin dig i'm talking about is now ninety seven years old and he is the son of joe kennedy junior wrote the book so he's you know this gentleman's lived his life there and he goes on to tell me you my father died confused about the the name on this rapport. He had no idea he knew it was different but he had no idea who made it. And you've you've you've closed a circle. And i'm gonna sell it to you this kind of like buying a house but we bought it brought it home. Wow that is such a great story. Joe for those of you. Jokin dig Wrote a book called thoughts on the kentucky rifle in the golden age the golden age meeting the age where these were really beautifully not only carved woods stocks curly maple but it was the furnishings on them. The patch box were intricate and they became a work of art and So he catalogued in this huge book All these rifles photographs of them and their makers and descriptions. It is a stunning book. And i gotta tell you on a personal level of our our mutual friend clemens. Well from danville kentucky came up to my office once i lived in danville for a while and practice boot my law office to danville and it came up to my law office once with the kindle book and he put it on my desk and he said I'd like to have that. There was no. There's no finer fellow in the world more sincere friend. Then koel he was just a terrific terrific character. And it's a book i treasured to to this day But kim dig for. Everybody was literally put together. The as as as has been said the bible on the pennsylvania kentucky rifles he likes to refer to it at times Guns made in pennsylvania but are known as the kentucky rifle nips terminology for him. I want to go back to clem. Just a minute you know what a wonderful there's different people got different opinions of clam. But i wouldn't have done what i've done. I wouldn't have been able to have accomplished the this book or the research. I've done if it hadn't have been clamped and i was telling you that him and my father had known one another growing up and he was stationed close by in the military but again going back to earl lanning that i dedicated the one of the people that i dedicated my book to and and in the front of the book. You'll see bronze that url did of of simon kenton yes But i'm my father died when i was in twenty and when i was twenty three a medoro and arl took me to clemes but and it was such a rude awakening. You know my doctorate degree and and earl looked at me and he said you need to forget about that book learning. You need to spend all of that. Tom clements you'll learn more than you sent in front of some vassar and and he was correct. And i finished my coursework and i literally done that Clam was getting long in the tooth and getting some age but we had a date every wednesday for a number of years. I'd pick him up at noon. We long john silvers and get a fish sandwich. And then we'd drive around the you know. Dan bowling bowl all the different areas and I learned so much from clinton. Yeah yeah it's really really a discount. Say enough about how much of a mentor. That he was to me. Let me let me tell. The folks clem koel lived in danville. Lived on the road to harrisburg out of out of danville in a greek revival. Home beautiful house that stood on the site of coal station. That station is on john. Phil simmons seventeen eighty four map of kentucky a co l. station. And i asked. I asked clem. I said clan. Tell me you were you were you born dabble ios born in this house and he says i'm the eighth generation born in this house in this family. Well i mean there's there was smack you right in the face i mean here is the flesh and blood of the very people you and i are talking. And what's interesting about clem is that it's not only him. It's his mother. it's his grandmother. His great grandmother were all collectors of of kentucky. artifacts principally Indian arrowheads axe heads all sorts of things that mostly the prehistoric indians left behind Who did not exist anymore and kentucky. When daniel boone came in and there there were historic indians. But they were in ohio or in. What is now tennessee But they collected these things so the the collecting of things like this was just embedded in his family because of their history here. I don't think i ever was in a place with a person who had such a connection to kentucky's frontier as clem koel absolute and each one of those it and if you you've obviously been there and he had such a wonderful collection of indian artifacts but as you know. His mailbox was quite a walk from the house and every day he would pick one indian rock and put it in his pocket and he would rub it and hold it while it's in his pocket all the way to the mailbox while he was walking he said he always thought about the person that made it and then when he left the mailbox he put it in his other hand in his pocket and on the way back he always thought about who used it and that's become part of the book. Yeah that's what i have done with. This book is in okay. We talk about a tomahawk and mary. Weather lewis is tomahawk is is in the book yeah. I don't talk much about the tomahawk. I've got great wonderful photographs of it. But what i want to talk about is mary with lewis. I want to tell mary weather lewis story. And that's throughout this entire book. If if i could not find a document. It's like daniel boone. i i was. I was closing up on the book. And i didn't have anything about daniel boone. There's just so few artifacts you can really document and out of the blue this This beaver trap showed up that it belonged to the huntington museum of art. And all of a sudden. Here's a story. I can't say that it's boone's but there's a wonderful family. History that says daniel. Boone gave this to patty huddlestone. The families now huddleston But you know. The authenticity of the of the story in the provenance is dead. On all of a sudden i was. It allowed me to include boone and talk about had you know even from kentucky. New of boone's kentucky escapades had no idea. He'd spent fourteen years in west virginia up on the canal canal. So as as i wrote this book i learned so much about kentucky's history and all of these little tidbits always splashes of color. If you will and the tapestry of our culture it is it is a it is a tapestry indeed clem to and ended here with with clem but He he also of course had a collection of kentucky rifles and One of them he had was hancock. Taylor's and who who came in with boone's party that opened the wilderness road and was killed and but it on the walls were all the rifles and all around in glass cases where all the indian artifacts it was. I can't even begin to tell you how i felt in that room. I know exactly how you feel. And you know the first the first american long raffle the first kentucky rafah were bought was from clem. And i'm sure you've paled it. It's featured in the book. It's signed jacob young ten the chapter unexpected artistry of the of the southern frontier and it it probably is influenced my artistry and my thought processes about kentucky as much as anything ever has. Yeah that wasn't the gun. That william whitley carries now well away at least gun was also by jacob young. It's still at the william whitley house. It's belonged i. I'm not for sure who really owns that rifle. But anyway it's at. The william in stanford took wonderful again. A wonderful story the in that chapter. There's great pictures. The william whitley's house was the you know it was on the wilderness road and all of the great. It stopped there. And william whitley is the name that that we just don't hear that much about and he was every bit as important as as daniel. Boone anybody like sam simon kenton. You know more people know silent kenton. But william whitley you know was so important and another chapter one. My one of my favorites you were talking while ago about boone and him settling boonsboro henderson land grant or grab if you wanna call it. One of the people that came in with them Was william cocke. Yes and i've got a chapter on william kalkin. Ed found it. You know his his journal exists. It's at the kentucky history center and some of the greatest things you know that that really telling the story of this trip this treacherous trip into kentucky. But i really loved it. Because he he said well you know They'd been at boonsboro not long but they were casting lots for the property. Everybody was going to get a piece of property so they were casting lots and and he said i went fishing and i catch three cats So this leads you to believe you know. He didn't really care much about the property you know he'd rather go fishing. But then you know wannabes. Conrad's was knocked smith. It's a wonderful gun. Builder and in the only known inox bit raffle is is featured in the book and he had moved on to mount sterling. Pretty much given credit for settling in amounts starling kentucky in his house still stands on mount sterling but he was a silversmith and actually the uncle of a sa- blanchard are most revered known silversmith and the state of kentucky so it just all ties together together and the the stories all blend together and I i had. Somebody bought a book and and they wrote me this most wonderful letter and said you know. I sat down to thumb through it thinking that it was a it was a coffee table book and and five hours. Later i was only about a third. It read more like a novel it does. It does raise like a novel. That's what i wanted. And it's all documented. Yeah yeah yeah well you know you mentioned earlier that some people say that the name kentucky rifle came from the the poem about the kentucky inns at the battle of new orleans in eighteen Fifteen january eighteen fifteen and i Let me indulge that listener by reading just one paragraph from that from that pom one set of inverse First of all the name of the poem is called hunters of kentucky or half horse and half alligator which which is what could these kentucky referred to themselves as in the poem anyway and It first of all sets up That the hunters of kentucky Went to new orleans to reinforce jackson's andrew jackson's forces there and And that the the british were a attack them and and it's it reads as follows but jackson. He was wide awake and was not scared of trifles for well he knew what we'd take with our kentucky rifles so he let us down the swipe to the cypress swamp the ground was low and mucky there stood john bull meeting a british in martial pomp and there was old kentucky. You can't get any better than that then. Okay now. i'm i'm going to go off on a tangent and say down a rabbit hole. All right i grew up in. Jamestown kentucky on cumberland yeah. There's no iran or until i moved to eastern kentucky. Carter county grayson. I was kind of awadh seen an iron furnace. Thank you know. Land between the lakes or somewhere. But i didn't know anything about her iron industry. I had no idea that the iron industry kentucky was stirred in the nation until after eighteen thirty. And the reason. I bring this up. Now there's an owings ville kentucky right off of sixty four within a half. i'm home. There's an iron furnace It was originally called the bourbon. Iron furnace Andrew jackson bought almost all of the cannonballs. And grape sean. That was used at the battle of new orleans and they were. They were taken to maysville by ox cart and sent down the river and it just flabbergasted me. Here's this iron furnace that huge and it's still standing and it was fired for the first time in seventeen ninety and it was nicknamed the old thunder meal but cause of all of the ammunition that it was making but really what it was set up for. We talked earlier about these hardships. When these people were coming in they couldn't bring a plow share. They couldn't bring an iron pot that they needed to bowl saltwater or to wash clothes in they are none of this so as early as seventeen ninety two years before we reach statehood. We've got an iron furnace. It's fired up. Making ten gallon killed secret inland by the war of eighteen. Twelve you've got. Andrew jackson is is ordering cannonballs from from this place. And and i just you know again. There's a chapter on it in the book. And i've got a picture of andrew jackson on his horse and there's cannonballs at his feet. And when i see that still to this day i can't keep from thanking wonder if those cannonballs were made in ville kentucky. Well you know there were there were iron furnaces here in lexington county we have an iron works pike. Yes which of course gets its name from that. I mean absolutely essential to life not no not to mention just making cannonball but but Like you say iron. Pots cattles to boil salt. Boil down water to salt was just absolutely essential and But you know your book Just again it covers the entire tapestry of what it took to to to settle a place like kentucky and then what that artistry did for the generations rafter to civilize this place when not just kentucky but the nation. Oh yeah and i had. I had a wonderful friend and mentor. And her name was brooks howard and she worked with kentucky state government the kentucky. Sure i remember. Yeah and and she would always say. I could hardly ever have a conversation that it sometimes that she wouldn't say that kentucky was the daughter of the east and the mother of the west. Oh and i just think that's says it so well because you know they're still to this day there's something about kentucky there's this cosmopolitan aspect of kentucky and these people would come and maybe it was only so journ for. They only stayed a few years but then they went on to missouri then they went further west and so many of the wonderful rifles that are are featured in the book were found in Missouri and further west wisconsin. Yeah like the balloons. Yeah like the. Brian all went to missouri. Did they sure did they sure did. Let me just talk for just a minute about daniel boone bryan here in fayette county For those of you who are are kentuckians. You can see his grave at the lexington cemetery along with all of his kin. He is the nephew of daniel. Boone and But his his he settled originally out the What we call the nicholasville road at a place called waveland which has been a state property state historic apart. A property for quite some time Tell us about daniel boone bryan well in order for me to tell you about him on the tell you a little buddies father. His father was william brian And he was a gunsmith and he was an armourer. Under general griffith rutherford in in the revolutionary war The one back to the chapter of all ago we talked about jacob. Young unexpected artistry chapter One of the rifles that was made for casper massacre. Who is tennessee. kind of what. Daniel boone is to kentucky They were both armourers together. Thomas simpson and you had wakeham young. Who was the father of jacob young who obviously At least worked in close proximity to thomas simpson. And then you had william bryan william come early on and settle bryan station and was killed by the indians early. On but daniel boone bryan. His son was old enough. He was also listed as an armourer at that time. And he carried on this gunsmith and trade and in the book. I've got a chapter talking about lexington rifles. And there's there's there's different characteristics but one specifically is this patch box kind of got a almost a propeller looking female on the end of the box. Kind of flower or four. Piddle thing and daniel boone bryan is given the credit of designing are establishing this lexington school of gun making You you can take a rival. That's made within a thirty. Or forty square mile area of lexington kentucky and i can spot it by one hundred feet away just by well and but he was very very important he had so much going on. You know we had a gun powder meal. He was making gunpowder there. He had a bottle school. The house waveland that we know now actually tore down his old daniel bryan's old stonehouse and his son. Joseph joseph built the house. That's there now the plan you know antebellum kind of house. It's there now but there's there story is kentucky there's door is is coming in from north carolina settling in kentucky having tragedy. You know the father died early on. He wasn't here very long at all but they've left such a mark in and the produce there are these wonderful artistic long raffles that they were making are still revered and sought after today. May maybe there's twenty five. Yeah that we know about. Yeah well his father daniel boone. Brian's father william murray daniel boone sister. yes and daniel boone. Married william brian sister double first cousins. So hence the name daniel boone bryan bryan boys married simpson girls. Girls's again. it's all intermingled story away. Always say that about kentucky you know you you. You never speak ill of another kentucky and at any function party. Because it's going to be his cousin probably out of it. So but but daniel boone bryan really had quite an enterprise. I mean it was almost a huge huge enterprise out there and it was not only just making rifles but it was just a whole lot of other things going on that. He said he did. And i as a kid. I i worked out there waveland with dr hamilton tap. Who ran then. And i remember the dining room of that house is the only only room that has stone fireplaces at either end the dining and it was always understood out there that that was the cabin. That framed. The cabin of daniel boone bryan and Which is now the dining room. Now at all has changed. Because it's a brick facade of the house and so forth but you can still see the stone fireplaces and wherever else in the house is brick so something is different there than elsewhere and it was always understood. That was with that so or not. I don't know but This by the way all the all those. Brian's were buried out there i but then they were all removed to the lexington cemetery. Daniel boone bryan has quite a stone there now but there are very interesting. Crowd the bryans in particular Of course the settlement of brian station that was besieged and seventy eighty. Two is one of the great stories of the american medical. You know and the doubters american revolution has just had that you know. The the first monument that was produced by women for women was i believe in eighteen ninety eight and it was like two or three years after that daughters in the american revolution had been formed and it was the monument at bryan station. And there's this you know this wonderful story of the c. You know the fort was underseas. They from their scouts. They knew there was a huge contention the shawnee and the women realized they were out of water so mary polly craig. Who's picture. you haven't seen that before. That was a coup so she led these women down. You know that were scared to death. But they were banking on the indians. Not getting them but it literally saved the fort they were able to bring water back not just to drink but to put out any fires that they indians had try to say it but here the story goes on further. He got mary. Polly hawkins craig. Who was the mother of of alaska. Craig that's been credited at least for making some of the earliest. Bourbon whiskey preacher. And then his son william craig's powder horn is in the book and he was a surgeon at the battle of the thames. Tecumseh was killed. So yeah well. You know that. Speaking of the battle of the thames This is a battle fought in september eighteen thirteen and it is a an engagement up not far from detroit A battle that occurred. Right after oliver hazard perry's victory over the british on lake erie and This is kentucky militia led by our first governor. Isaac shelby Fighting british troops under major general. Henry procter Along with the tribes under shawnee chief tecumseh and his and his indian allies. And it's right near what they then called moravian town which is what some people call. The battle of the thames is the battle of moravian town. But this is where. A william whitley and simon kenton their last the last in certainly it is the last because he's killed in it but It is the last really engagement. You're going to see simon kenton in These are aging guys but tell the view the listeners. A little bit about the battle of the thames. And william there well to me one of the great things about this. Of course you know the the the battle of the river raisin had really slaughtered a bunch of kentuckians. And and there's something that we still haven't kentucky that amazes me and it's patriotism thank. There's more patriotism in the state of kentucky than anywhere. I've ever encountered anywhere else in the united states. But they felt like the the kentuckians felt like that britain was trying to once again. Rob us of our freedoms and they were ready. When when first of all isaac shelby was our first governor and he really did not want to be our governor But they come to him and said you know we need you and and he said okay. He said if i'm needed how our run course won the election with no no problems and then Are not president. Harrison william henry harrison You know even wrote to shelby and said we we need you and you know if if you could you know. He had heard that he had two thousand men and he said we. We'll take your two thousand and more and he literally gathered them up and and But but the battle of the thames the to me the really heart and soul of the battle hymns is something called. The forlorn hope when richard mentor johnson. was kind of i. Guess the leader if you will. And isaac shelby somewhat under him and and the the british had already kind of left. But you had to come in the show me that were really making some headway any call for twenty volunteers and he knew it was going to be kind of a suicide mission but he felt like that was at a point that if they didn't do something they were gonna lose this battle and we're going to go through the through the middle they were going through the middle of the indians and and kinda that would give a chance for people to circle and and give them a different battle advantage and and that's what he did and and william whitley at sixty four years. Old was the first volunteer. Can you imagine at sixty four sixty four years old and there were sixteen when at the first volley of shots sixteen of these men were shot off of their horses and killed. There was only one man that was wounded and his name was garrett wall and his horse took a bullet between the eyes. it was meant for him. And it dropped him under the the line of fire so he wouldn't wounded And garrett william whitley was indeed killed is raffling. His powder horn was brought back to him and given to his wife. That's it. And it's now the william whitley house and but garrett walls rifle and powder horn stayed with the family. He come back. He was kind of a a farmer. If you will. And there's a journal ledger of where that he was selling raising corn for the liquor industry and so wood and stayed in georgetown. His powder horn was made by francis tannahill and mentioned this briefly early on but the oh family re vibe d- a fad to have highly are engraved powder horns the french and indian war. They'd been very popular They kind of fell out of service during the revolutionary war. And they were out of vogue until this happens. If the west the bryans were making these wonderful rifles. And you had francis tannahill that had been a ship's captain so he knew all about scrim show those designs and he moved into georgetown kentucky in seventeen ninety eight The first horn we know that he made is dated eighteen. O two but this great walls powder horn huge. It's obvious it's been made for him to carry to the battle of the thames. Thank about this. These old men had had fought in the revolutionary war. Their guns and powder orange and stuff was wore out so they had to have new kits. William whitley was carrying a brand new rifle that was made by jacob. Young jakup young made him this huge powder horn That the rhyme on. It's just just wonderful but we've now discovered there's at least nine of these large powder horns that once upon a time you would have thought that they were kind of a supply horn hold like three pounds of powder were leaving to kentucky and you knew you were going to chatham ontario canada. You're going to carry a lot of gun so anyway that was. That was one of the great things for the book. And you know. I said early on that. The the the book was inspired by this exhibit. That was at the kentucky history center and for the first time since the battle of the thames. The day of the forlorn hope William whitley's rifle and powder horn was put back together with garrett walls powder horn oh and and they they had been separated and older son had inherited the powder horn and needed been sold twenty some years ago and it has been known in the powder. Horn world is a masterpiece and a fifth grade granddaughter of garrett wall Sold great walls rifle and the two were able to be put back together. And it's just it's a kentucky treasure yeah just Totally an incredible I just love. I love the era. so much We can Folks listen if they travel into kentucky go down to stanford kentucky and take The old us one fifty. The early one is a modern one. That's out that's gone past it now. But take the owl's the main street and stanford you'll come to the william whitley house and the first brick house ever built in kentucky. It's got ww w in the brickwork over the entrance way the door and in there you'll be able to see for yourself. The rifle carried by william whitley at the battle of the thames. Well also want to kind of interject here. Not only does it say. Ww on the front. It's now been covered by kitchen But it says edw on the back and that's for extra witnessed or his wife wife and and and you know so. The women are not mentioned but here as early as this first brick house. That's made in kentucky. He thought enough of his wife to put her initials on on of this house and esters known as a wonderful marksman is a wonderful shot and the friendly indians that would come there You know they would he he would bet that could beat them and then then those indians they love to go back and get other indian and they'd bit astor could beat them. You know so. She was quite the novelty and even on his wonderful rifle that he was carrying when he was killed at the battle of the thames. Not only does it. Say w w on the silver in the side plate it also says e w does it really so so. There was really a family connection. Here was a man that was revering and giving respect. Yeah took to his wife. As early as seventeen eighty here in frontier kentucky kentucky. So remarkable place. It was then it is now special. It's magical and i forgot something earlier. And i've got to spit this in here. You know i was talking about the the challenge from pennsylvania over the name of the rifle. Well we went to pennsylvania. We shot him. And that was actually the beginning of the kentucky core of long rifleman and we beat them so all of a sudden now they wanna go double or nothin' then about three weeks later at the daniel boone festival in barbara's ville which were still having today we beat them for the second time. Were you among them were you no no no no. I wouldn't and some of the there's very few of the people that was that were shooting match. Then that's still alive. But what governor. Scranton had done is. He borrowed unoriginal eighteen. Sixteen pennsylvania rifle from the pennsylvania or society so he borrowed this and put it up for a prize. Never thinking that the kentuckians is going to beat him. We've still got that raffle and and conduct over. All of the governor's desk for years and years. And and i think window forward was the last governor that was on the wall and it kinda got lost. I didn't know where it was at. And while i was working with the kentucky historical society i mentioned it. And and the curators there saddam awards had said. It's hanging behind the adjutant general's death. I'd have to fill out papers. They never give it to us so we we have to fill out loan paper so we can keep this rifle. I remember as a kid go into was then at The perryville battlefield. Where the long the kentucky long rifleman. We're having their Their tryouts so to speak. And i remember speaking to this. One fella ralph. Marco oh absolute remember just has died just in awe that ralph. He was He stood out in the crowd. He was short fell but he stood out in a crowd because he had these black buckskins. That's right and i. I was attracted to that and i went over and chat with. He goes i said you know. Are you trying out. He said he's i make my own rifles. And that was one of the first people ever ran into made his own Your another course. Ralph said yeah. I gotta get this thing through because i got to go back and put the boarding house i said. Where do you live in san which is a little town by the way mccain in the mountains above berea and i said really put the. Why do you have to rush to put the boarding. Well it'll all curl up because it's a full moon out there and there i got win. This guy is right off the frontier. He is right off the frontier. But you're right the kentucky core of long rifleman. We're just unbeaten they you. Pennsylvania couldn't come close now which which by the way a bears up the verse in the palm for well. He knew what aim we take with our kentucky. Right listen my friend. This is just a blast to talk to you. I have so many thoughts in my head so many stories that have run through my head. I wanted to bring up with you and it is just not enough time in the day but one. I want you to tell everybody now How where they can buy your book. Okay have a good time to to say just a few. The last chapter in the book is called a tapestry of cultural fabric. And that's more than anything else. What i want people to understand. This is not a gun book. Even though there's maybe thirty five or forty percent of the book on the study of the american long rifle. But it's artistic thing. And i started to say early on. We're living in this age that people throw up this wall. They they don't like this this name rifle or gun and for some reason they cannot look at it as an art form. So what i wanted to do was to intermingle this. This iconic kentucky long rifle in with all of these other items that are always recognized as art forms and the last chapter of the book. What i've done is there's a wonderful cherry inlaid with bellflower drops on its legs Board that was made about seventeen ninety and frankfurt and on top of that as a miniature sugar chest that you know all of the kentucky antique collectors if they don't have a sugar chessboard. they're looking for one And then i've got pottery from from maysville kentucky. The woods woods brothers pottery. And then there's a miniature on ivory but matthew harris jude or more salvadorian You know portrait priced And then hanging on the wall as a as a painting of a little girl. But by joseph henry bush and it's his it's his little niece and then there's a pistol that was kentucky made and belong to william crabtree and was used at the battle of kings mountain. But when you look at this photograph of all of these things. Nothing's out of place. There's a powder horn there's a flint lock pistou. There's there's art. Their spurn itcher. There's all of these different splotches of color that make up this cultural fabric of kentucky. And that's what the book is about. It's truly the story of the western brand gration of america. But it's it's told through these historic icons and are makers and their owners Here in the state of kentucky shot myself in the book book. Seventy nine seventy nine dollars. Ninety five cents I've had so many people said. Can i get that on amazon. Can i get it here or there. Everybody wants to forty percent wholesale time and forty percent. I'm losing seventy dollars. So my wife. And i have done all of the retailing were The op got a webpage. And it's into the bluegrass dot net. You can do a search for anglo a meal h. In my email address is mill at a. m h i s s dot com that stands for american historic services. You can order that book to my email directly through me hassan. I'm all Handle they're all wrapped and and shrink wrap unwrap them. The book Sign it if you wanted inscribed islands. Grab it and shipping. The best i can do is eight dollars and fifty five cents. So the book was shipping is eight dollars and fifty cents. There's also a deluxe version. There's a signature edition. The only reason that i was able to afford to do this book and not call for par Sponsorships is i don a subscription and there were one hundred sixty two or three people subscribe to the book and and donated. If you will two hundred seventy five dollars to the project and for them. I had two hundred and fifty copies of eight leather bound case and eight leather bound slip case and those two hundred and fifty books have an additional thirty three pages of information. They have a story that was written by noted Kentucky collector mac cox. He has done a wonderful research. Study on a group of paintings He calls him the rid family paintings and they descended From from matthew hirsch and oliver frazier different ones but We added in those books. Those two hundred and fifty copies. They are now three hundred dollars. And there's thirty one copies of those left if anybody wanted an investment book. Something of a collector's matt cox is wonderful. Fellow back in sharon and they they were contributors to the production of yours and they. They've contributed to film we make on the lincoln's in kentucky is they're they're totally devoted to the history of this place absolutely great great great people. And gosh it's been fun. I could go on and on mel- Reminds me of sitting with mel with with with with clem. it that's what a compliment is By the way. I love your quote about clem about. He telling a group that looking into a campfire. That is the thing you'd see that they would have been seen by prehistoric man and it's the only thing left. That man has not screwed up a of french. Well i'll tell you what i'm gonna i'm gonna. I'm going to read you just two verses of the hunters of kentucky and we'll close with this This is. They're seeing the british. Come out on. This is the battle of new orleans. They did not let our patients tired. They meaning the british before. They showed their faces. We did not choose to waste our fire. So snugly kept our places but when so near we saw them week we thought it time to stop him and would've done you good to think to see kentucky. Inns drop them. They found it last. Twas vein to fight where lead was all the booty and so they wisely took the flight and left us all our beauty meeting the women in new orleans and now if danger air noise remember what our trade is just send for us kentucky boys and will protect easy ladies. Thank you so much manner so much fun. Yeah great fun thank you. This podcast is produced at dynamics productions in lexington kentucky neil kesterson audio producer and editor. Your gifts help support the production of this podcast if you are interested in sponsoring the podcast on a one time or even a monthly basis. Please write to us at g. m. brown at witnessing history dot. Org thanks for listening.

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APG 387  Miracle On The Cornfield

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APG 387 Miracle On The Cornfield

"It's the guy airline pilot episode three eighty seven. Hello you're listening to the airline pilot. Guy show the view from our side of the cockpit. Ignore your host captain. Jack broadcasting live from studio to see holiday inn river walk in san antonio shows reported on the fifteen th of august twenty nine in today's episode fallen hero returns to dallas and the boeing seven thirty seven almost runs out of one way taking off in moscow scout more news your feedback and in today's plane tells the disappearance of miss hobart so get all settled in trae cables and cpac actually upright and locked position electronic devices powered on. I'm radio roger and flight. Three hundred seventy is ready for bush back <music>. Hello welcome to carolina pilot. Russia is an aviation podcast that a._b._c. news and discussed the the news and we answer your great feedback and i'm a captain for a major u._s. Legacy carrier based in atlanta and joining me today to help with the news and the back from his studio in the english countryside professional photographer former r._a._f. Are w fighter pilot former captain four and international airline based in london captain nick well by jeff. I very much hope that the rest of the this show goes better than <hes> australia. Get set up today but of a nightmare for you but we hate eventually and looking for. I am looking forward to it as well. We'll also joining us from well. He's at the marriott somewhere though he'll tell us about having the second already forgotten where he is. He's on a layover over a long thirty hours thirty hour layover somewhere he is a barbecue master motorcycle rider pontoon boat skipper underwater photographer and captain for a major u._s. Legacy carrier captain dana. Oh wow we're finally here. It's been one of those days and yes. I am in the marriott in chattanooga yeah to to tennessee. Oh chattanooga okay good. I don't think i've ever been there. I mean i've been to chattanooga not to the that that hotel though i haven't i haven't been to an overnight in chattanooga since my regional dates expense since i've been here and that just to let everybody everybody no. That's not familiar. Chattanooga tennessee is just across the georgia tennessee border in fact <hes> nick and i passed by it pretty quickly when we started our roja trump a couple a couple of weeks ago and not very i would imagine that's a very long flight from atlanta nineteen minutes nineteen minutes yeah that would the quick all right that went pretty quick very good very good so we did initially have steph with us but we were <hes> as nick mentioned we've been experiencing some technical difficulties especially with audio and for some mhm reason i was not getting stephanie's audio very clearly. I actually couldn't hear at all and so she decided to leave. She needs to pack. She's on a great adventure venture which i hope she'll be able to tell us about when she does rejoin us at some point. It may be while she's on the road in route to the airport <hes> but we hope to. I have her back and we hope that it's going to work and everybody will be able to hear her <hes> especially me because on the one that's recording audio so we'll see we'll have our fingers crossed with that. So how's everybody been doing anything from us jeff <hes> i'd had plenty on <hes> lots of <hes> you know retirement kind of things. I'm doing my photography. I've been plying plain tales into evernote tonight so that we've got <hes> always got one in store. Just finished next week's which is a great story thoroughly enjoyed doing that. One <hes> <hes> and today i was down at the bowling green <hes> introducing some new folks through the <hes> delightful <hes> pastime of long both. How's that often that nothing special from here in this. I'm afraid okay <hes> well. We have dana you. Didn't you weren't able to join us <hes> last tweak but you're here with us today and <hes> let's see. Let's try to catch up with what's been going on with you. Well <hes> as as internal communications among us indicated. I'm not gonna go into details on the fact last two weeks last last week in this week's started off <hes> in not a <hes> very friendly in enjoyable manner in any stretch of the imagination nations so i'm just gonna leave it at that. It's been a very challenging couple weeks may since oshkosh and listen back to the last episode you guys put out to job. I missed the being able to comment on <hes> my experience. I guess this probably a good time for me to say that i really <hes> thoroughly enjoyed being there with everybody and i second year observations as far as the one of the best parts of oshkosh may was being able to meet the the community members to everybody that <hes> helps to make this community so awesome to be be a part of really a renewed my <hes> my feeling of pride in being part of the show in knowing that that you use the listeners out there are oh really <hes> i really paying attention and enjoy what we put out so that was for me personally rewarding spending some quality time with a the crew members <hes> what's the knicks neck and and step and the liz of course cap jeff <hes> and providing fighting some <hes> some entertainment and some good liquid libations which eh did you mention <hes> a little bit minute forced the food that was is a great pleasure for me to be part of that whole bul- bul- fun time up <unk> i just wanted to comment on that <hes> and beyond that <hes> flying he's been flying and very very challenging last couple trips to me so okay. Well <hes> not a lot with me. <hes> just blew a four while i'm on the on a four day trip on day three and one more day tomorrow <hes> the longest longest toughest day. I know you're going to really have a lot of sympathy for me. Dana we go from san antonio to atlanta and columbus turn and then that's the finish so i was a dead leg to <hes> louisville was really tough and then the next day was two legs ended up in in <hes> memphis and then to today in san. Antonio sounds very nice trip and you know. I wish i could share with you. Dan skinny at my my heart is waiting leaving for you know absolutely bleeding for you but man. You'd be a very senior first officer on this. You could fly these trips to yeah yeah. I'm at after the summer. I'm actually very strongly considering them back at it. I mean i i i've never ever been being a so beat up my life. It's been it's been brutal retarded sorry to hear you've been having lots of issues. Hopefully it should let me know that okay all right l. Let's see we were gonna talk about wild and crazy adventure but we're not going to yet until she comes back back with us so we'll put that <hes> we'll move that one little thing okay please. <hes> today's plane tail was suggested by chris postal. <hes> who is i think he has handled stumbling trout. Anyway turns out his <hes> folks. They've not offer me and he's coming down to him this weekend we can so i'm gonna get a chance to thank him in person or his gestion four today's plane title have a beer with him over the weekend so looking forward to that oh that sounds like a a great time to be had absolute okay <hes> well we without further ado. Let's move on keep. The sing rolan alan and let's talk about the coffee fund johnny how <unk> mccartan i love coffee. I love tea. I love the a._p. Community munity coffee and tea and the java me because this is where talk about the coffee on how you can contribute to the show financially and this is where i read all the list of people that gave us contributions using the coffee fund classic method happened and here's my list here okay recurring payment from george leslie using the coffee offi fund classic and we have some one time contributions from esther allan dan cole and you hear the balance a one hundred dollar contribution berry larger generous contribution from dave schuler. Thank you very much day for that and for everybody participating in the coffee fund via the classic method now last week <hes> the patriot patron thing was quite busy and <hes> full of new producers such kind of quiet this week but that's okay <hes> no new patrons this week but would you have a producer philip timur hammer who doubled his pledge. Yes i said doubled his lead from one dollar to two dollars per episode. Thank you so much philip for that and if you're interested in learning learn more about the coffee fund head over to airline pilot guy dot com slash coffee. You'll be glad you did stay on to buy for him. <music> ural airlines lands in cornfield after bird strikes take out both engines a bird strike on your l. euro eighty three three twenty one <hes> in shortly after takeoff <hes> from one of the moscow airport it was <hes> flight six one seven eight from <hes> moscow's rakosky airport to some theropod not sure upon takeoff aircraft sustained numerous strikes from birds to its power plants and made emergency landings as the carrier came down in a field apparently a few moments after takeoff from runway one to the crew and passengers were not not injured as the airline russia's federal investigative committee has opened the routine criminal probe into the event stating that the aircraft made a hard landing in a field in the the era months co koiei district as as an investigative team is organizing the necessary actions with the aim of establishing all the circumstances and causes of the accident images from the scene showing eight three twenty one in a field of tall crops with evacuation slides deployed for multiple exits indicate that the aircraft suffered substantial damage to its engines <hes> so apparently they took off <hes> reports are they hit <hes> a flock <hes> a large flock of seagulls and took took out <hes> one of the engines immediately and then the other engine was producing partial power and then <hes> i guess it was determined that it wasn't going to be enough to relied enough power to get the airplane back around and climbing safely in the back to the <hes> to an airport <hes> again you know we have very little information about the so far but is this <hes> miracle in the cornfield. Is that what we're gonna. Call this not miracle on the hudson what it sounds like a damn good job <hes> the champ did it <hes> oh. The crude did <hes> jeff. Yeah i think any time you bring <hes> am in june <hes> in particularly for a crash landing on the ground and without any power and you get away with well. I think the revolt was ten packs. A ten passengers injured for them hospitalized but it sounds sounds like there was no. No one died on board. I think that's a remarkable results. Say congratulations to everybody right <hes> looking at the aviation herald. <hes> article gives us a little bit more information. I believe now the update when for this thing to load it's not loading <hes> i mean it'll be very interesting interesting to see what the <hes> <hes> meteor while it's loading jeff with comedians take on this is how they spend it you know when they spun it spin musher the same way that the captain sully and jeff skyline by the way the f. o. window hudson yeah i did notice when one of the articles i was reading that said the pilot brought the airplane down safely landed in the cornfield and i thought no pilot. Did that wasn't one person that did that. <hes> that's one of those things that irritate us a bit yeah. It's it's it is irritating. Okay <hes> now. I have the article <hes> the i believe the count now is like twenty three <hes> injuries one serious. I'm not sure sure exactly what the serious injury has but as you said neck nobody was fatally injured in this accident and from what it <hes> you know the way it looks at this point is that the pilots did a great job <hes> analyzing the situation they had and making <hes> very quick actions to get the airplane safely on the ground. <hes> one thing i was going to <hes> maybe discuss a little bit is that they left the gear up and i'm wondering if i trying to think through this course monday morning. Quarterbacking is so easy to do when you're not in the situation <hes> but i'm wondering if i would have left the gear up or if i would have put the gear down <hes> and i have a feeling my initial <hes> reaction would have been lower than gear bet. I you know i don't know but what's your thoughts about that while trying to recall my <hes> ball slamming checklists i'm pretty sure it included putting the ghia down <hes> <hes> akasa they may have a lot of time to go through those checklists so it might have been a case of <hes> in trying to keep the drag down as the much as possible while he used that partial engine power to consider getting back to the n._f._l. Them when he realized he couldn't do it. Nia straight not put it down to the cohn failed. There was just insufficient time to get everything completed so. I suspect that might have had something to do or also. <hes> you know maybe at that point. They didn't have hydraulics below the garin. They didn't have time to get the year damp so you'd still have gravity. Wouldn't you yeah it's it's gonna gravity you. That's how the airbuses so just things very quickly. That's for sure to to make all that happen yeah. I suspect they might have just run out of time to get all those all those checks and it might thought processes you know like i'm. I'm probably gonna put the landing gear down. I mean at least at the very least the stretch can absorb some of the impact and help helped structure the aircraft to be better in intact act and then of course of airbus aircraft with with the pods underneath the wing would think right well. Do i really want to try to land the airplane with these pods that might grab onto whatever it's hitting and <hes> them flip the set tumbling the aircraft that would be another consideration so that's another reason why i think doc out make sure but i think that would have been an automatic reaction on my part i mean i don't think i would discuss it. I would have just reached for handle your handle down but again. That's just what i think i would have done. I really don't know i've never had in that situation. So you know i might be so shocked by what was happening there that i may not have even thought of it in so so again we're not. We don't sound like we're second guessing at all because we know very little so far and <hes> what what we do know is the fact that nobody died in. There's incident and that's a good thing. It's a great. It's a great thing it's a credit to the strength and design of the aircraft. Just as <hes> boeing's have crash landed and been very successful obscene to built an equally robust brock so that's good to say all right. Let's move onto item a and this is a link to to <hes> the twitter account of a jackson proce cow how our process how p. r. o. s. k. o. w. Let me read a little bit of his <hes> of his writing his the washington bureau chief for global news <music> for reporters. The flight home is often a chance to decompress as the first opportunity to reflect on a story and process our emotions. It's the point at which we step back from our deadline lines and from the pressure. It's the point which we can all sink in this week. The long flight home took me from the devastating shooting. El paso texas to washington d._c. With a layover in dallas dallas became the place where the weight of the world seemed to melt away the place where the good outweighs the bad for the first time in days when we arrived at our gate at dallas love field. I noticed a few camera crews waiting. I didn't think much of it perhaps they were waiting for a politician or or a newsmaker a few minutes later a gate agent from southwest airlines appeared and started handing out american flags then came the announcement over the p._a. System a gate agent his voice cracking told us about the very special arrival we were about to us our inbound. Playing from oakland was carrying the remains of an american airman colonel colonel roy night junior was shot down in combat during the vietnam war in nineteen sixty seven the agent took a long pause as he seemed to collect his words and colonel night ejected from his aircraft but no parachute was seen deploying explained a search was undertaken but could not find him the agent again took a long pause before explaining that recently his remains were discovered identified and returned to the united states today. Colonel night is coming. The home to dallas said the agent growing more emotional as he continued explaining what we're about to witness at that point we were told that before deploying colonel night head <hes> said farewell oh well to his family at this very airport he waved goodbye to his five year old son would be the last time he would see any of them by this point in the story. The terminal had fallen silent t._s._a. Agents stood solemnly in a line near the gate. The gate agent held the microphone in his hands taking a long pause and a deep breath. He struggled to say what came next next today. The pilot of the plane bringing colonel night home is his son. There were quiet gasps. A few people burst into tears. We were told that the aircraft would arrive in about fifteen minutes. The crowd grew larger with noses pressed up to the glass for a view of the gate as flight twelve twenty from oakland taxi toward the jet jet bridge to airport fire trucks provided a somber water salute while the ground crew stood in formation. We all watched silently as the flag draped casket was unloaded from the cargo hold met by what we can only assume to be colonel nights family and a military guard airports rarely see moments of client that for a few brief minutes dallas love field bell absolutely silent. There were no garbled announcements no clicky clack of rolling suitcases over the floor. No shouting over cell phones people stood quietly at the window wiping away tears taking a moment few rarely get to see okay so it's starting to get to me so let me play a little bit of audio that <hes> southwest airlines actually put together. This is actually a video jio. We'll have a link to that so you can watch the <hes>. The video and this is only a an excerpt from the audio from this video. Wait the end of the war. I remember as a kid watching every single p._o._w. Come off those airplanes and i watched every one of them. Your job and your duty as a family and a child is to have hope but as a kid what you really think is if you don't do that. You're somehow going to be responsible for him. Being lost as you probably notice little bit of activity going on right side aircraft taking one of our servicemen home about fifty two years coming along january of nineteen sixty seven last time i saw my father was five years old and that was at at love field in dallas texas. When i first got the call you know it was it was almost surreal because i i really didn't think it would ever happen. Wow you. You know he's really coming home. He's really we're going to be able to bring him back and we're gonna have a place where we can honor him southwest. We're gonna mess for you weddings. Are i'll be have a regional host. Who wasn't your father nice home. Boys gone will never be forgotten. It's <hes> very touching. You know everything that i've gotten from. All the people in southwest airlines done so much to make this happen. It's it's been overwhelming flew me. Today was that same five year old away with here. Feel fifty two years ago was his dad taken by and the support and all its happen. You know it's just been phenomenons. I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of my company right yeah so proud salvos their lives for what they've done to make this happen. Oh my gosh thank you okay again that was produced by southwest south west airlines and a very very touching story man. We'll have more information about <hes> colonel light and what happened to him in the vietnam war amanda that'll be i'll be in the show notes but really tugs up a hamstring wasn't chaplain amazing story for his son to bail the fly him back to the point of his departure leaves years later. Yuck some stories of forget my it'll be one of them for sure that is for sure okay moving onto autumn be an s seven airlines. This is from the <hes> what sam shui dot com <hes> eh seven boeing owing seven thirty seven almost ran out of runway during takeoff at moscow airport <hes> let's see they were operating flight to sixty three from moscow them idea <hes> to that other airport that this <hes> euro <hes> eight three twenty one was heading didn't quite make it almost ran out of runway during the takeoff after it overran the end of the runway three to left the air craft continued the scheduled flight and landed to simferopol <hes> two hours and ten minutes later later a later runway inspection at moscow's dumb <unk> dabo airport found that five lighting in its were destroyed during the takeoff with broken glass s scattered all around after arriving in simmer simferopol. Do you have a better way to pronounce that nick simple. That's why i now now i did. I always used to call it. Smith poll doesn't okay the the seven thirty seven submitted to an inspection that showed three tires have been damaged. Landing gear have glass embedded. The cause of the incident is not yet confirmed. Some russian aviation websites report that the crew computed takeoff performance using a takeoff weight fifteen tonnes below the real weight <hes> thirty thousand pounds each a little bit <hes> a little bit off another claims that the crew and importantly entered zero fuel weight instead of the takeoff weight the incident which could have ended in tragedy for the one hundred and fifty people on board occurred early on monday and was caught on the close circuit tv cameras of the them idea airport and there is a video that we'll you'll see in the shouts <hes>. I have a still from the <hes> the video. It looks like it's a video that someone's taken of the cici tv <hes> screen and did you guys get a chance to watch the video because it's an eye opener it is is this the moment of the guy said got the news op up and then just sat in the room where they put them down again and then eventually got it back up sega and staggered apple well i think he never lowered the nose again. I think that was another either one that happened in two months this one this one kind of just kept it there and same kind of angled attack or pitch angle and and he goes right off at the end of it and then there's a point where you can see i think the tires are actually <hes> in the dirt or something they're like making. You need to watch that <hes> that that little link link there that <hes> i m g twenty four thousand nine dot trim movie. I wells yeah. I watched it and he throws up a dust the storm when i'm amazed that in looking at this i mean it's really hard to tell but i don't see any sparks that his tail wasn't dragging the decking that he had a this aircraft wasn't dragging on way sparks it edit neither even even when it was kind of throwing up the dirt off the end of the runway. I didn't see anything come from the tail area <hes> but anyway was it was a very very close one for that flight <hes> they barely made a i've got away with that but i guess they really didn't get away but they at least they didn't crash so i'm sure that that will be investigated by the rozov bots the russian aviation asian <hes> investigatory agency oh yeah he he's in the dirt. They are you watching yeah. Just have the one i saw i was about to say oh <hes> that's the way he probably forgot about his flaps down and put his lap gianforte in this sort of overrun but now this is a different one so a good time <hes> the russians at myron now they're not. What is it three. Three's a charm the that was to hopefully i don't know maybe something else has happened. We don't know about and <hes> move on <hes> speaking of moving on <hes> <hes> i'm d- <hes> norwegian boeing-747 engine debris falls near <hes> yamaji know yemen gina was the way you say i am not a talion pm gino the airport of realm or one of rome's airports <hes> a norwegian boeing seven hundred seven damaged cars and roofs in the vicinity of rome's airport when they fell off the plane after takeoff on saturday the tenth of august <hes> now it was a boeing seven seven but we have to also point out that the engine was a rolls royce trent. What is it a thousand one thousand yet sure but anyway it's not the first time that they've had issues with them that engine and yeah <hes> there's there's a picture here of a police cars windscreen rear windshield <hes> completely shattered in somebody holding a handful of shrapnel in their hand and it is kind of a minor miracle that nobody got hit by one of these things and got taken out. Oh absolutely i mean <hes> to explain to the to the listeners. The trent one thousand on the on the dreamliner. I'm lena <hes> the <hes> the rolls royce engine has been suffering from excessive <hes> blade erosion and cracking <hes> and as as a result <hes> a number of the aircraft had been granted for some time waiting for a modified and replacement engine parts <hes> to make up for this <hes> problem they've encountered <hes> and in the meantime those engines that have been allowed to continue <hes> spacey beginning very regular horoscopes <hes> to to ensure that the blades are fit to continue in flight now. That's a judgment coal to a certain extent and i know for fact that <hes> <hes> some of these aircraft if you and i had seen those blades and that it being declared fit jeff we would probably be high enough of flight bag again nat under the law fly that what they very much the engine is <hes>. Have you know being saying well they pasta. It's the test so they akron spit to go. But of course we have had a few incidents where those blades have actually failed and then what happens new zealand a blade fails is this kind of cascade <hes> because the brave will move further back down the engine and it will the debris of the damage blade has come off will strike mall mall blades and they will break free and they will strike mall blades until you end up with half the end jim being <hes> pood- out the back back <hes> you know it's just a mess of <hes> of screaming halt <hes> metal <hes> then falls to the earth. Now usually doesn't fold very very fast 'cause they're. They're not huge chunks of metal. They've quite little blaze. You can see from the picture that there any a few inches across up but they are extremely halt and the certainly coming down with enough force to break windows and things so yeah they could definitely cause injury and possibly even does so when you get a shower of these plays coming out of an airliner and it's not of course justice or justice across that has suffered this problem over the years many akron. You've had multiple blade failures that have shot to the brown. This one is dramatic because it happened right over account pot. We looks people and there was a fair. The damage done yeah now. I'm just glad nobody was injured and it does say that <hes> according to air fleets that this particular <hes> dreamliner all the theory that if you throw a penny from the empire state building it'll kill someone we'll let absolately not true if the if the debris is light laughing at its terminal velocity at that velocity is in very high then it won't do a little damage. That's all i'm saying. Okay hasn't hasn't safe is i don't care how slowly the middle falls. If it hits human beings <hes> the soft flesh of human beings is gonna do do some so some significant damage if not kill somebody might but on the other hand the smaller bits and pens which hits you. I guess bits bits bit bit debate. I do apologize. Apparently how was i was saying something and i'll send you guys having some kind of discussion about pennies hauling from buildings and what what we're having a religious discussion again jeff pennies from heaven yeah. I don't on what's going on here. We might have to reconsider this plant. You do know how coppa why it was invented correct. Yes two pilots were arguing <hes> trying onto prior a penny from each other. That's correct pam erika a year ago. The old adage just to l. Ten eleven captains fighting over a penny on the other hand hand ever tell you the story about this l. Ten eleven captain that <hes> a good friend of mine used to fly with all the time and apparently he lived down to miami ame owned a of a high end bicycle shop with a campy components and all the fancy italian <hes> <hes> lightweight frames and all that kind of stuff and apparently was doing pretty well for himself with this the business and flying airplanes was just kind of a hobby for him and nobody quite understood exactly what that meant until on one particular trip my friend ken said that the captain knocked over his flight kit and out from his flight kit spilled probably a dozen or two orange envelopes <hes> and that that was back in the day before we had direct deposit and the envelopes had checks in there every bimonthly and and so he said that there was at least i don't know at least six months worth of of checks that had spilled from unopened by the way unopened orange envelopes <hes> and that's when he realized that yeah this is really truly just a hobby for this captain because he was never and i was back in the day of the l. Ten eleven captains made a lot of money and if people don't know the orange inch envelope was synonymous with ac me <hes> through all the departments we'd all wait for that <hes> that tray along ups come in every first and fifteenth of the month oath fifteen thirty th of the month into for years. Actually i think it's still have a few of those envelopes in my house but <hes> yeah that's how our paychecks she succumb yeah and for the longest time they they still came that way but they weren't <hes> actual checks in there. They were just kind of like records records of what was deposited in your direct deposit account <hes> yeah also those. Those days are pretty much over now. I guess i i would imagine that you could probably still get now. You probably probably can't you probably the only way you're going to get paid. As a few you know we have a direct link to your bank account anyway that kind of blew me away that <hes> that would have been and that would have been a lot of money that the guy had in his kit that he hadn't bothered to cash all right <hes> item e meet the first female marine assigned to fly the f thirty five c first lieutenant catherine stark as the first female marine to be assigned to the navy's f thirty five c plate fleet replacement squadron f r s <hes> erie pennsylvania native first lieutenant catherine start earned her wings. It's friday at a ceremony and kingsmill texas and in doing so became the first female marine to be assigned to the u._s. Navy's f thirty five c fleet replacement squadron the f thirty five lightning to design and built by lockheed. Martin is a fifth generation fighter designed to replace the f eighteen in the navy marine corps and the f. twenty two in the u._s. Air force. I i didn't know that i thought they were going to work together but look of the three models the f thirty five c is designed specifically to take off and land on aircraft carriers and <hes> talks a little bit about <hes> first lieutenant stark <hes> and <hes> kind of interview. Her dad is it's incredible. She's just an amazing girl. She's got all areas covered and anyway <hes> up until now they were only taking f eighteen pilot were already out in the fleet someone with a lot of experience and they were sending them back to school for six months and then transitioning them to the f thirty five you said tuesday during a telephone interview but recently the been picking people right out of flight school. That's been the special thing up until now people fresh out of flight school with no fleet experience like myself. I haven't been to a squadron yet because i just finished flight school. We didn't have the opportunity eighty to select the f thirty five <hes> anyway <hes> very interesting little <hes> <hes> interview of first lieutenant stark ark and at some point here she kind of basically downplays the whole thing she goes. I really don't know what the big deal is that she must be an awfully good pilot it to have made the grade to fly the f thirty five c. I would think so. She's probably just me modest yeah. Absolutely i'm sure they <hes> pick the best for the job and i'm sure she's the best part that got yep all right and finally the united airlines now tells their pilots no drinking for twelve hours before your shift starts one week after two pilots were arrested in scotland for failing alcohol breath test before operating a flight you a has tightened rules for when pilots silence must stop drinking before they report to duty according to a new bulletin the airline's pilots now must make or take their final sip of alcohol twelve hours before their pre-departure duty period begins now. Let's of worded interestingly. I don't think they're required to take alcohol twelve minutes prior. I mean twelve twelve hours prior but if they happen to be drinking they have to stop at that point <hes> like what if you don't drink you're still forced to yeah you have after everyone has to have some alcohol twelve s while they fly right house frey allies files and now must take their finals up twelve hours before their pre-departure to sunday uh-huh anyway <hes> before saturday pilots were allowed eight hours from their final drink to the start of their work period a period. The industry calls bottle to throttle this. This policy is being changed to help sure pilot compliance with standards established by the united states and individual states where united operates around the world united's policy is now no more stringent than required by the federal aviation administration which has an eight hour donald throttle mandate and a point four percent limit for but that'd be point zero zero four percent sure maybe point four is right for blood alcohol concentration borscht effort here right now. She could tell she's drunk she. She knows she knows all about point o. Four that's what i thought i. I think that's very serious yeah. That seems like a high percent main point for maybe not anyway united three major competitors american airlines delta airlines and southwest airlines all continue to follow the f._a._a. Guidelines of eight hours between the last step and when pilot's report for duty <hes> and <hes> let's see <hes> christian base <hes> his producer <hes> he said could at the end of mid trip meet ups <hes> i don't know i don't think so <hes> you know it's not like when we have a meet up in the middle of the trip christian christian that we <hes> you know really tie on you'll have one or two beers and that's pretty much it goes. I think we're pretty careful about what we consume while we're in the middle of a trip rip because we don't want to expose herself to to the the scrutiny unnecessary scrutiny of the t._s._a. In any other <hes> authorities in draw attention to ourselves and get in trouble for having a too high level of alcohol in her bloodstream <hes> i do know that <hes> <hes> acme airlines years ago before i was hired <hes> had a twenty four hour rule i believe <hes> which <hes> essentially took out every pilot an every trip except for maybe the the really long haul trips where you have more than a twenty a four hour layover and when i was asking my friend ken <hes> because his dad was <hes> flying for acme at the time i said did that and i heard from a lot of the captain's mac then regarding this rule. 'cause we're gonna learn. How can you do that. Well kinda interesting. You end up going down at the bar and see somebody kind of in the corner somewhere trying to be you know inconspicuous drinking a beer and and then they kind of look over at you and you kind of just shake your najjar had enjoy your your soda pop here adult beverage <hes> this is all hearsay of course i don't i wasn't involved in any of this because this is all before i was hired <hes> more than thirty years ago <hes> but <hes> any <hes> any stories or <hes> you know anecdotes <hes> nick that you can well <hes> yeah i can tell some of mine and i started five is again now but i do remember that <hes> <hes> i was doing one of my first what you would call iot is that right and then embracing experience so this was tale on my line training sectors and it was one of the first one of the real old hands <hes> and we had twenty four hours in j._f._k. I have k. and we will do to get airborne that evening and <hes> the skipper on my training captain said <hes> i'll see you in not jay is date while <hes> we'll have a by tweet and then we'll get a few asleep at home so <hes> we pitched up and there he was with a beer. I'm always thinking to myself well. We're checking out and <hes> that's interesting so we we all have a beer and then an a hamburger and then we went to bed for fewer has gotten through high and i've got a lot worse stories but i don't want to implicate type people so it's a bit unfair of me but <hes> the company i flew four had some fairly strict guidelines and don't forget everybody has a different can't metabolism so you can have one bloke who could probably drink eight hours before flying and his body would prey racist <unk> zero in his blood stream and eight time but you might get someone else <hes> who could drink fourteen hours before flying and still have a significant amount left it depends entirely on the individual amount that they used to drinking how well the body upright sufficient deliveries etc etc steph where he or she will give us all those variables so twelve hours is just a guideline. It's not a it's not a if you don't drink trial before flying lying. You'll be fine. It's not doesn't work that way so you also have to bear in mind that not idea not drink twelve. Ask before flying you have to be able to pass a breathalyzer a blood alcohol doc test <hes> and that is actually the meter to which we're all measured <hes> so my airline had a rule that said <hes> moderate drinking the only twenty four hours before fly no drinking at toll twelve hours and it made the point that this is only a guideline of it's up to the individual to ensure they pick up to work with zero alcohol in that body a very good point. You know the <hes> the northwest airlines captain that got got busted in a cup flying in from fargo into minneapolis <hes> was <hes> i was at a layover in fargo and he did stop drinking thinking eight hours or maybe a little bit more before they're signing in the morning however he consumed huge amount of alcohol like nineteen rum and cokes folks so yeah. That's where they get you. Right is not the time it's also what you actually have in your bloodstream and james <music> <hes> in our chat rooms as we have a twelve hour rule but it's still your responsibility to be stone cold sober by the time he report for your next flight. I'm pretty much means. You can only have one beer when you're having the dinner. Although as nick mentioned it depends on everybody's metabolism how efficient delivers are in that kind of thing but <hes> and some states <hes> or some <hes> world state. The tolerances like the amount in your bloodstream is like zero completely. Nothing not other places. They have a little bit more of a margin that you they may allow like up two point zero four <hes> elliott steph just mentioned in the chat room. She's listening <hes> that that was it's not point for. It was point zero four so that was an error in this article and acoustic son countries in the world which you have to be very careful. If you're an international pilot harlot the law will <hes> be sosa via. If you'll call that you could well be slammed in the prison for many years both trying to pitch up but work <hes> and breaking that alcohol limit sir while some countries may be relatively benevolent others will. We'll throw the book at you and you can have a big problem. You might be in jail for many years so you really of it's the laws of that land not the laws of the country you come from that matter so you have to be really careful right by the way i used the one rule sorry dana isolate the role that said you're not allowed to drink within in fifty feet of the aircraft and it allies to smoke with an eighty dollars. That's what i really was on it much better. Oh yeah it was a lot easier to comply with that. I like that idea to and you know. Unfortunately people don't have whole lot of common sense when it comes to this this topic in coupon push limits and keeps on making it worse for all of us are actually out here being responsible as always as a few responded that ruin ruin it for the few dumb masses that ruin it for the masses you get my drift and at one of the things that concerns wants me a is you know in the morning. I like to use mouthwash that can actually come back as positive tests on a on the a. c. On a breathalyzer not breathalyzer it won't be in your bloodstream nicer day. You might blow <hes> an illegal limit soon as they take a blood test. I you'll be cleanse on taking a blood test. That were the hour. I would as well but that's something dr jeff would know for sure but i i don't in in the morning you know usually at least plan an hour before and i take a little bit of my <unk> listerine. I mean just because you know. I wanna have that clean mouth. It's not because i'm drinking but are are companies helps. You can have zero nothing nada nada zilch in the yeah with zero this audits <hes> didn't know that i'm pretty sure i've got my radio radio. Look it up but anyways <hes>. I've always been responsible. I'm follow that twelve hour rule pretty religiously so <hes> it. It's just it's not worth it and in moderations absolutely correct you on overnight is out here to party out here. It'd be responsible in the next morning after responsible shop to work worked. Speak for yourself responsible. Come on the doc sorry finished. I like to take a swig of w._d. Forty where i show up for work in the morning nice really good for you that everything kind of boils join yeah all right. That's it for news this week which means now one of the most favoured arts the show. That's not that one this one incoming message all right. Let's start with number one matthias. The name is mataya. Some a german citizen living in northwest indiana for over two years dispatched to our branch in the u._s. As a technician i caught him. I'm yet apparently not he's still on the loose them. I have no roots in aviation but my dad was a captain traveling the oceans but i have my own eighty s be receivers since two thousand fifteen feeding flight aware and also flight radar twenty four very cool. Thank you very much for your volunteer work to <hes> supply those two great websites with your a._t._s. Information matthias <hes> the trip. I'm writing about happened in between july seventeenth and july nineteenth and please see the attachment always happy landings and don't forget to always have enough coal. I'll probably okay moving on hi a._b._c. Crew i wanted to share my latest trip which should have been taking me back to chicago o'hare which usually takes two and a half two hours from dallas fort worth prologue on monday received a request to do a demonstration of our solution were selling. I started looking for flights. Hotels rental booked everything for wednesday calculated enough time to be back on thursday late evening. I booked on acme chicago. <hes> wednesday i am that is not our dana. Am i acknowledge. It's a different i guess what do we call ajax. I think wednesday. I loaded everything i need in my car and drove one hour to o'hare parked. My car gone on the shuttle drop. My pelican case at acme chicago went through t._s._a. <hes> pre pre gsi for the win and off to the gate light to d._f._w. Was delayed by an hour but the captain managed to get twenty minutes back picked up. My car drove two hours to tyler color texas drop. My stuff at the hotel at a quick bite crashed on the bed with some t._v. Until now everything was okay here we go. It's getting warm. I woke up up at three a._m. Sweating bed was damp the air my room was warmer than the outside air conditioning gave up the ghost only making a funny unhealthy <hes> from the seized compressor compressor minute nightshift assign me a new room on the same floor after an hour. The room was cool enough to switch off the a._c. Which sounded like a c- f._m. Fifty six at idle and get a few hours of sleep after my meeting drawback to d._f._w. Drop the car off and walked over to the bus to take me back to the airport. They have a big info screen at the bus terminal and i was was looking for my flight which is seven thirteen which didn't show up so i pulled up my phone and was greeted with a nice red exclamation mark for my flight informing me that my flight flight was delayed by four hours and offered me to rebook on an earlier flight since it was still an hour to depart. I rebuilt giving me enough time to drop my stuff security already in something eat. That was the plan immediately. After i re booked on six fourteen got another message that this flight was also delayed by four hours. Well okay okay. That's unfortunate but will match my arrival more or less the same time as i put before at the airport after i had something to eat after walking ten minutes is to dicky's looking for a healthy pulled pork sandwich which was declined because of a broken credit card terminal. I arrived at the gate. Departure was already the shift to seven p._m. From to thirty die mentioned that i got a text from acme chicago after waiting at the gate the my original flight was back on schedule acme michiko at the gate gave us more or less informed or kept us more or less informed but a few passengers got a bit unhappy. After the announcement that the part they flew in for the broken a three nineteen didn't fix the problem but they still tried to get it fixed and also the cabin crew ran out of time and they had to bring in another crew on the next flight from chicago and other news o'hare had bad weather resulting into a ground stop. You know what it means and finally they cancelled a flight. Were some packs. <unk> are booked on to another destination but had to switch at chicago here. The mood assam wasn't happy at that moment. I think finally decided to scrap the unfixable airbus assigning s. to another gate departure now nine thirty eight which was shifted constantly by half an hour at eight o'clock. I enter the bar at the gate and handsome beer. Departure shifted to twelve twelve eleven a._m. After wandering around for some food i write back the gate and thirty minutes later we applauded the passengers depleting the delayed flight from mm-hmm chicago o'hare which would us lie back to o'hare finally thirty minutes pass by and at the forty five minutes mark. We got the announcement that the flight crew. We ran out of time unbeknownst by anyone since acme chicago has only six gates at dallas fort worth. Oh that must be united then they also don't have the resources available as they do in chicago o'hare they also said to hopefully have a crew available and have a solution in the next forty five minutes max very unhappy passengers at the gate and some people started looking for hotels. Could it get worse sure after forty five minutes acme <hes> <hes> let's see after forty five minutes acme chicago decided to move the flight to next morning bringing in a crew overnight and also looking for hotels the mood switch to very very unhappy twenty minutes later someone from dallas fort worth grabbed the microphone telling us that they are still trying to get some hotel rooms but acme fort worth has a block in the hotels making it impossible impossible for acme chicago to book the same hotels. That was the moment i thought that the passengers would burn down the gate to a crisp <hes> a bit of relief came up after they told us that they have thirty rooms and we were expected to give them to or they were expected to give them to elderly and families with kids. I got about her. After twenty minute bus drive we arrived but in and and i just crashed on the bed at two fifteen in the morning bus will take us back at seven thirty after three hours of sleep and a shower. I felt a bit refreshed rashed. Do you know this feeling you can move worlds and five minutes later. You struggled to put on your socks. That's how i felt. I ride back at the gate had a nice chat with some other passengers which i talked to the day before when acme chicago prepares them snacks and water. We knew that something is not quite right and sure it was we received the announcement that they plan to get us out of d._f._w. In time but they haven't heard from the crew so far i spotted the crew twenty minutes later we boarded the plane and made it back to chicago with a delay of eighteen hours of fifty five minutes traffic on a friday afternoon in chicago is brutal and i finally made it home after a two hour drive arrived home feeling like someone push me through a meat grinder but happy to be back while the announcement the tiled the heading for this paragraph generous compensation while the announcement the night before acme chicago told us to be generally calm. They told us that we were going to be generously compensated for all the medicine delay well received at over the weekend on my company's mail a whopping fourteen dollars. Are you trying to be funny acme chicago team bucks. Fourteen dollars is worth yeah. That's listen a dollar an hour. Yeah that was a little route wasn't complete slap in the face the you'd rather they didn't involve them. Do something so dismal. Just take everything out. The board pretend like you never had the flights to begin with and and just leave him man yeah well. Thank you for sharing with us. Matthias that was just like every every <hes> i've been to in the last twenty five years as soon as someone finds out. You're an airline pilot. Let me tell you my story. I can tell you about mine my dog that it was carrying with me in the in the under in the cargo hold what they did with my dog. Okay wait a minute. What what's what's the famous first question. Everybody asks whence asks whence they find your pilot. I don't know what rotate fly. Oh oh yeah. What route do you fly up. What do you want something tax. Sent in the next question can get me cheap flights. Yes i have these things called. Buddy passes. Let we give them to you. Good luck yeah given given to people. I don't i can't you'll never you'll never want to talk to me again exactly so can i. I raise their accuracy reading <hes> <unk> percent oh do we it is it is it is <hes> pilots will report with no no alcohol in their system so it is zero point zero there. You gotta company very good. Thank you now hundred percent all right no more drinking for me. I guess i'm i'm gonna drink. As much as i time wash. Shut up yeah no more mid trip meet ups and i guess you'll be around or lifting or taxiing around <hes> yeah of course but now i drink when i can use public transport and public <hes> commodes let him to auch kosh wrap up and two questions to count them for dana greetings a._b._c. Community just wanted to drop this. This is from kelly kirk. Just wanted to drop a short. Thank you for the great meet up on friday. July twenty sixth i met so many great people can't mention them. All i want to single out glenn then glenn taylor for breaking the ice and introducing introducing me to several people and i also want to thank dave dave abby m guessing as well. He pointed pointed out who was who and also introduced me to r h from opposing basis. I'm not really comfortable in crowd and they made me feel welcome. Unfortunately i can only come on friday. Hopefully the next time you go to oshkosh. I'll be able to stay for the whole week my questions for dana i as a c._f._o. Why what is your opinion of accelerated flight training specifically instrument the training time i've <hes> have available is very limited and it appears that this will be my best chance to to finish my rating secondly. What do you think about the piper warrior as a training platform attaining postpone <hes> what do you think about the piper warrior as a training platform platform all of my training and experience for has been in cessna one fifty to one seventy two and seven hours in one eighty two r._g. The school all i'm looking at has a one seventy two r._g. And a warrior i have a little more than ten hours instrument time and the bulk is in the one seventy two. Thanks again for the podcast. Cast clear skies and tailwinds kelly kirk aren't doing your on hey kelly <hes> as far as i'm concerned flying any of those airplanes who wrong pieces of junk. I'm really only getting kelly you know. It's it comes down to personal preference boeing airbus. <hes> you know mcdonnell all douglas coal coal carrier <hes> <hes> as far as i'm concerned <hes> my personal favorite of for trading platform would be the piper warrior i find it to be much more stable aircraft especially for instrument flying one semi to <hes> tends is to be a little more less stable not that they're either one of the aircraft particularly unstable <hes> but <hes> just a preference the lake high winger low wing <hes> insisted you like driving a dodge dodgy like to drive a ford or chevy. That's where it comes down to because the ultimate ultimate end goal is exactly what you're trying to ask the question should do an accelerated course in my opinion is on that <hes> the law recency is a big one in my book and that would be the more that you can put your hands on the product and become more familiar with it and i use it more <hes> more frequently in all the time they'll better. It's gonna stick in your mind especially when it comes instrument training <hes> so the people that tend to not go into an accelerated program tend to it tends to cost them more money. It takes a lot longer to <hes> <hes> get through the program so i don't think there is a disadvantage to it because you're just learning everything at a much higher rate as long long as you're able to absorb. It might be the only thing that i was saying downside ian also can you afford it in you know. Can you take time. I'm off more to do. It and those are the questions i have for you in. If all those questions i guess i would i would highly recommend it. I often have talked about the program called aw a._t._p.'s <hes> in i'm in in myself nor the airline pilot endorsing them in any way but they are an accelerated program program that you go through and i think it's eighteen months your flight instruct during your out the flying in building that critical time so fast that you can get through the training and the <hes> the the quicker you'll be able to if you're looking to go into business listen. I don't see that you really say that here <hes> but if each <unk> goals we go into businesses a pilot ian or going to corporate or just swipe for living the fasting ability time better off. You'll be very good anything else to add. Oh in belly is also very nice to meet you and <hes> wait. Elephant friday did not hear i didn't get to kelly or the pub quiz now. I was not before that started. Let around about seven thirty eight o'clock yep cassini to get home for my friends going away party on saddle yeah. That's right all right very good well. I'm glad you were here. Are we started to cover this. <hes> question these questions last week dana back to yeah then <hes> <hes> said yeah probably be best for dana to answer them since aziz asking you anyway all right. I hope i hope that ain't you know i hope that's a good answer for kelly. If you have any any more questions please after his date to contact me <hes> and on the website and senator to me. I'll be happy to respond to you bertaud three captain jeff. This is from jay from p. A. sorry that i missed you and your your crew at oshkosh. It was such a great week. I've been a longtime listener of your podcast and truly appreciate all the hard work. You put into making such a fantastic podcast. Is there any chance that dr steph flew <music> into oshkosh my son i took off from babu or i'm sorry i was trying to make it sound like an australian but that's a pair apparently something in wisconsin constan baraboo wisconsin dells wisconsin on wednesday morning and i swear i heard her departing on the com- perhaps it's just my recurrent base or or case of a b._g. Syndrome flaring up yet again. Well let me tell you. I believe that stephanie was flying that morning wednesday morning she wasn't but she did leave too so that she could come back and fly the fisk arrival and fly the pattern and <hes> mikes <hes> when we call it a m musketeer musketeer yeah but a beechcraft sorry people. I'm not feeling very well. Beechcraft musketeer that <hes> he owns part of and <hes> believe it was deaf and mike and our h. from opposing bases says and <hes> jennifer jennifer where the occupants of said vehicle and you are not hearing things. I'm pretty sure <hes> mm-hmm. Oh wait a minute thursday and he didn't talk. Oh never mind false alarm. That was not her. It must be then the a._b._c. syndrome blaring up yet again my bad. I thought it was wednesday but <hes> stephanie now in the chat room is saying thursday and she didn't talk on the radio. Oh never remind let's continue with his feedback. Here's a youtube link to the apollo astronaut presentation at the theater in the woods and oshkosh last friday evening. The first hour is the discussion on the research in development that went into the lunar lander scroll to the one hour mark to see apollo nine astronaut joe engel and apollo eleven astronaut. Mike collins share some amazing stories. He's my two favorites are the story of how joe engle rolled the x fifteen rocket plane and the story of the polar bears enduring mike collins astronaut candidate flight physical amazing stuff and then he gave us a youtube link for us to watch and he says thanks again guys and tailwinds jay from p. A. is pennsylvania on four robert from marietta georgia or like to say marietta. He sat. Let us a snapshot of an article in american airlines inflight magazine and shall. I read this absolutely it was it was it's a great great article. Okay so the person or thing or whatever <hes> that wrote this article in their magazine. American way is actually an airplane a mcdonald douglas man dog ugh. You may not know me that well but if you fly american airlines a lot chances are we've met. My name is mad dog okay. It's more of a nickname really short for mcdonnell douglas m._d. Eighty my parents like to say i was a super eighty. I couldn't agree more. You're probably wondering airplane is writing a magazine article well for starters arturs. We have a lot of downtime at night but the main reason is. I'm calling it a career on september fourth. I'll retire roswell new mexico making way for some youngsters from airbus boeing my remaining siblings about two dozen m._d. Eighties all will also shine up their polished aluminum that day for one final flight into the sunset leaving the rest. Most of the fleet behind with its fancy satellite wifi bigger overhead bins in seat power is bittersweet. The end of journey that began in nineteen ninety-three throughout the check aid we helped launch america's americans hub and spoke system as airlines workers more than three hundred and fifty of us filled the sky for american when we merged with t._w._a. In two thousand one and we only flew domestically we connected the biggest cities in the country making meetings a memories for millions of customers. <hes> let's see in doing so we made our presence known many of you loved the signature growl of our engines others liked the peaceful calm upfront none more than our pilots to all of them for pointing us in the right direction to the flight attendants who walked are aisles carrying customers to the mechanics who kept these old dogs feeling like young pups and to the thousands of other team members who welcomed us to the gate loaded bags and cargo or simply came along for the ride. Thanks for the memories from the bottom of our hydraulic hearts of course without customers were never born. You're the reason why we keep flying a rear. The reason we kept flying and why we can park for the final talk with our tails held i saw on behalf of americans. One hundred thirty thousand team members our entire fleet and particularly my fellow retirees. He's a tip my wing. Thank you for flying with us for the last thirty six years and the words of my favorite eighty tune i've had the time of my life and uh-huh at all to you man dog burkle me to thirty at one thirty six years yeah that'd be nice. That would be nuts. We're flying a ninety today. Dana and it says that was on the <hes> all the paperwork boeing m._d. Ninety and had the the registration and all that kind of stuff <hes> he was like twenty ten or twenty eleven thanking king yeah no was not made then that's when it was reissued when boeing against took over the responsibility of the mad dog fleet eight or that particular m._d. ninety and so i'm thinking well at least on the little metal plate on the <hes> the door frame when you walk in that will probably have the original information but it didn't i i looked at it and it's still said boeing and twenty ten or twenty eleven so i did a quick search on the phone burtel number november nine twenty three delta november and it was actually born january third nineteen ninety eight so st twenty one and a half years eight years but in a boeing like a bad dog wants to go mockery every fire hydrant right. I just wanted to have a little little substance. Semi-monthly converged <unk> thinking about that the boeing ever can claim any related in any way say that they have ever invented invented the mcdonnell douglas product in how honest reliable it's been throughout all these years and <hes> you know a <hes> irritating to me. I was gonna say oh yeah em in by the way <hes> so people that listened to the podcast. That may not know. We don't have an m. Caste a system on the mad dog even though it's made by boeing so it's perfectly safe to get on a lot of boeing airplanes. Don't have only one actually uh seven thirty seven max. I just like to say that every time my dogs hold that high. I know what they're very good point. <hes> this is not good at breaking news didn't didn't intented incident up in the real news sounder. Will it crime <hes> stephen. Ivy hat tip to stephen covey. Thank you stuff dale. Earnhardt junior and families survive fiery plane crashing in tennessee the nascar legend his wife and daughter were on board a plane. That crashed in tennessee is sister says no one was seriously injured which is amazing. When you see the pictures of i guess they must've evacuated the airplane before it started burning down to a to a pulp or whatever it was at elizabethtown municipal airport in tennessee hennessy <hes> the carter county sheriff's office confirmed n._b._c. affiliate w. c. y. B. that the couple were on the plane crashed at elizabethtown municipal airport report the f._a._a. Said that a cessna citation rolled off the end of the runway and caught fire after landing in about three forty pm local time so that would have been only what couple of hours ago not even that i another runway overruns yup another one. There's runways. They really not big enough other. Not apparently not launcher will will be discussing more of this in a future episode. We just throw that out there and again thanks steve. I'm glad to get out alright same potent but me too okay <hes> continuing with the feedback now. This is a good one greg writes in greg rule. El presidente rudy project sunglasses helmets. Let's say he's in australia was just looking at a captain of a jet star airlines do a walk around his plane and didn't look like he was really looking anything out for a sunday stroll by the looks of but how would you guys do a walk around. Love your show by the way so captain. I don't sure yeah i actually do every every time <unk> f. o.'s leg with only a very few exceptions since save up grade captain i've always done they'll walk. They'll walk around with the attempt to fly now. I think it's it's important to point out now. There are some extremes here <hes> <hes> the the walk around that we are to do is not the same as a maintenance technician <hes> going out and taking taking panels off and checking cables and pulleys and well. I know you guys don't have that kind of stuff on airbuses bet you don't mean is not as we can wiggle the connections inside the cia circuit volt meter out and drop in whatever might not get smarter on the on the circuit board safe it stocks yeah we spit actually because at that so that's one end of the spectrum extreme and then there's the other end of the spectrum where a guy goes out there. I remember this guy that was on the seven twenty-seven he was a flight engineer and he's as going out for the walk around and i swear i don't think you could have. I don't think he could have gone down. The jetway stairs ran around the airplane and come up the stairs that passed that he was already back. I think i don't think he actually did it. Walk around which to to me is just unfathomable fathomable because that would be the time that there'd be a big huge panel hanging on one of the engines or something terrible you you know hanging off the airplane or something really truly unsafe if i were to like completely blow off a walk around inspection. I think most people do not do that. I think <hes> like ninety nine point nine nine. Hundred ninety percent of the pilots do actually do walk rounds but there are times when i see people going around and it does appear. They're really not paying attention to the airplane itself. They're just kind of walking around looking around and so that's probably the other extreme of <hes> a walk around but i think that most of us i think that both neck and dana would agree with me that most pilots when they do a walk around the gun. It's like a combination of the two they've there's some middle ground where you know you you're looking at important things like hydraulic leaks and condition of brakes and tires and <hes> you know the thrust reverser buckets. You know we're on our airplane. Dana would agree that we looked to see if they have any scrape marks on them because if they do then you want to make sure that you let somebody know that it wasn't you that did it and that sort of thing. What do you have to add gut. Oh absolutely yeah. I <hes> i always do won't crannies is the pilot monitoring duty regardless of your ranked so off the <hes> ripped sided unless we have an extra pilot onboard in which is in hidden as much to do so he used it always at a walker and ice quite joy when the weather was nice <hes> and <hes> yeah there. There's a very specific vic list of things you aspect to check <hes> and most of those are things that are really vinyl like walking past. Ask the static bent so making sure that someone hasn't left any tape over them more. There's nothing obscuring them trying to be a alerts pretty the hard into the pito tubes to see if there's any blockages that you can see <hes> or certainly no one's qasem making show all things like radovan mm-hmm latches adana engine cowl latches no much you can do about the congo and things like that and some of the service does troby open because the aircraft's often often still being replenished onto that you're looking at the general condition and you pairing round trying to pick up things that just might be worth mentioning to the engineer indeed one of our captains <hes> spotted some knicks on a bust a set of blades and even the i might have been the second set one behind and when it was investigated found that after that quite severe <hes> foreign object jet damage and had to be replaced that was a damn good spot and when you <hes> when you do walk around if you slipping in your mind that <hes> you hello this is my airplane. I'm gonna take flying. I'm responsible for it and i need to make sure it's <hes> in my mind as good as it can. Be at this stage so you can on check everything because there's a lot to be done to the airplane the you're going to have to rely on the engineer that does the final checks before <hes> <hes> you push back to make sure right but you can do your best. I just noise be and people profession. Don't act professionally and we've talked about this before. <hes> nix aren't in that a little bit different operation for dana and i when we're operating domestically the and operating several legs day we don't always have the engineer that <hes> does the walk around as well now going through major hubs yes <hes> <hes> usually but <hes> you know we go a lot of these out stations and we don't have <hes> our our own company's maintenance if something is noted and is not right and we bring in contract maintenance people to get it fixed and the other thing i was gonna say is that it also depends on this is the first flight of the day or is the first time that you are flying lying that particular airplane. I think that we do a little bit more not that there aren't thorough all the time that we do pay attention to more things <hes> at such as what to to nick talked about the static vans and the and the pedo tubes and that kinda thing because if we were on the second third leg of that particular airplane we've already flown it. We know that obviously the static ports and the ports are not covered because we just flew it so it it ranges in complexity and and thoroughness actually. I think well to to what you to what you guys said in both excellent. You both covered very very well well. I'm just gonna add. Just my two cents on that is is that it's in the company s._o. P. s. how supposed to walk around what we're supposed to look at and quite frankly when jeff and i at aren't you're lying. Go in for a nine month. Check ride every nine months. We have to go in and we're evaluated really on two things were evaluated on limitations and were evaluated in as far as briefing goes. Let me be a little more specific. <hes> were evaluated on the limitations of of the aircraft and we're evaluate on walk around slides because they want to know that we know what we're looking at. When we're doing walking around the aircraft in its very specific to each each individual type of aircraft as what you look for in one thing i do disagree with you jeff agree with you to a certain extent by disagree because because i've been doing walkmans for a long time as well every walk around i do is very thorough. It doesn't matter what first day not it's it's to me every time i walk around the aircraft <hes> it's very thorough walk around especially the first flight the aircraft no second third flight. Yes someone go out in. Check back to make sure that there's no significant damages leakage etc etc so my first walkman is very thorough and then subsequent walk around on the same year playing on the same day won't be a little bit more lax but <hes> you talking about <hes> i i fly today. Versus it it no no. I was saying that if we had flown that airplane if it were the first flight of the and or we we've flown it several legs than we know that there are certain things that obviously are okay because we already flown the airplane. Emerson said the weight wake him. Don't you agree with me again. I want to know what they want to complete and total agreement. Serve my so let you sir. That's the way it should anyway. <hes> so yes there are walk around dinas exactly correct when it comes to what is specified what we what we are to look at and end of it. Basically you're looking at the air worthiness of the airplane. Is it safe to fly and obviously to go out there and there's a big puddle of hydraulic fluid oil. You know you come. I didn't look at it. That's probably there's probably something wrong here. I should get somebody to kind of. Look at this and see what's going on. Do i feel safe getting on the aircraft in flying flying through the air at the you know six seven miles above the surface of the earth and going forward and fifty miles an hour feel safe being on that airplane. That's question asked mhm captain. Now makes a good point is one example of what i'm talking about as an example. There's no point checking for the gear pins. If you've just flown the airplane you know but the first time afloat airplane you can bet that when i'm out there looking at the where the gear pin holes are i'm making sure that those don't have anything in them but if this is my second or third flight on that airplane on that day. I know that you know well you know. I still look at them because you know who knows some crazy person pint sticks up in their guess who's the same age is just income around and in doing inspection engineers have a habit of karen spare pins in pockets and that's uh-huh and never mind all right that was good discussion. Thank you greg for the question and yeah as nick. Dana said there are levels of professionalism as well and apparently the guy that you saw from jetstar a i mean apparently i don't know if that's really was a <hes> a nonchalant salon tour bad walk around or if it isn't he was just making. It look like it was easy in that. Is you know we're not opening up as an accent and not opening panels other than <hes>. I opened up the water service. We have enough water on the airplane but other than that. I'm pretty much walking around the airplane just kind of looking looking at it so <hes> you know i might touch tires and in bend over and inspect the break pins and so forth and so on but you know. It's a matter perception so maybe he was doing. The prescribe walk rounds just the way that that it was perceived. That's possibly i'm not saying that's the way it was great but i'm just thrown thrown at you know. I like to play devil's advocate. Sometimes i think that's a good scenario to play devil's advocate. Maybe was doing properly he. He may have been doing so. That's for sure all right. Let's move on a ban. <hes> notice this article air new zealand eighty-three twenty-one link article below on the new zealand herald which i thought might be of interest just to also put my two cents as well with air new zealand replacing. It's eight three twenty <hes> c. e. o. s. o. I guess the current engine option with the new three twenty one eight three twenty nieto's. Could this be another possible. Max problem or the aircraft has been upgraded to many times causing dangerous pitching and a possibility of accidents also at the start of the year. I was able to attend the the in new zealand. Cadet forces national aviation courses which are a five day and two week course respectively both gliding and powered at mata mata and would burn airbase royal new zealand air force base where i was able to get both my gliding and powered wings nick. Do you know at the british cadet forces have courses like this tailwinds a blue skies ben. <hes> will answer that question now that he had for you nick after we discussed this quickly. I'm assuming <hes> the article that he refers to <hes>. Let's see operators of airbus. A three twenty one new aircraft including air new zealand have been alerted by european aviation in safety regulators to a circumstances in which the nose of the airplane could pitch up european union safety aviation safety agency has warned the behavior of the elevator aileron computer installed on a three twenty. One nieto's can cause excessive pitch attitude that could result in reduced control of the airplane. The fault is most likely to occur on on the final approach phase particularly. If a hard maneuver is attempted such as large correction to the aircraft's angle of attack the temporary revisions instructs airlines not to load there eight hundred twenty one nieto's with center of gravity as far rear word as currently permitted the wait is not towards the rear of the aircraft and the directive says that they must change the the aircraft flight manuals accordingly analysis of the behavior of a computer installed on a three twenty neo revealed that excessive pitch attitude can't can occur in certain conditions and enduring specific maneuvers this condition of not corrected could result in reduced control of the airplane <hes> air new zealand says it has been advised of the potential problem which could affect plains with excessive tail heavy loading a spokeswoman said we don't load hour eight hundred twenty one's in this way so the issue has no impact on our operations. This country's civil aviation authority also been contacted for comment air new zealand bubble of so <hes>. I don't think it's the same thing at all as the the max problem column in the m s <hes> old debacle <hes> but obviously it's something that is a concern to some of the <hes> the safety agencies <music> but i don't think it's a two the same level of concern and risk but i don't know because i'm not an airbus guy. So what do you think i don't know either. Actually it's a little bit outside my experience <hes> so <hes> <hes> these normally <hes> just <hes> a an amendment to a technique until they get a a software fix in <hes> so that it's pretty standard when you get a <hes> <hes> a maintenance requirement or a <hes> an amendment to q._r. H like this <hes> you know i would say it's not it's not a big problem. <hes> ape it was <hes> their crop would agree yeah yeah but have a more yeah <hes> foster improvement so they're always a number of these <hes> in the back of the cure rate cia that abbas know about and <hes> they want you you to be aware of and it might be an implementation of assigned different emergency procedure or a regime of flight that you need to be catholic catholic <hes> and <hes> you just take a look at them before each like guy right okay if this atmosphere to this i am the sort of that and they usually belt and braces so it's not usually considered a major problem otherwise they across wouldn't be allowed to fly but they noted the problem. It'll take them a while to get round to it in the meantime and this is what you do as a as a fix cat was a captain allan the chat room who flies this type of airplane. He says the nieto's have temporary c._g. Restriction it's only a small change and the e. l. A._c. was electronic something something computer. I don't know what that stands for is expected imminently and it's incredibly difficult to get this far aft under normal circumstances on the three twenty. You'd have to load only cabin r._c. Cabin and put all the bags and hold four which i guess is not a normal way of loading the airplane. I guess not. I just think i mean macron allowed the plan that we fly. They still come up with with changes and in the air worthiness directives even to this day. I think we're when time now especially with the heightened sense of what's going on with a seven three seven max that anything that pertains to a control issue hugh is probably gonna get more attention in the media in social circles than normally would be put to from what i'm mm seen here is exactly what's going on because it's it's really not a big deal. It's a very minor issue <hes> but it's being highlighted because the fact of what's what's going on with the with the mac all right thank. You didn't item so that was another question. Though that's all right. Thank you stopping air cadets. Thank you yeah so <hes> he was able to say <hes> do unite the british forces have courses like this looks mike <hes> you had a five day two week calls <hes> available respectively by flooding and power <hes> where i was able to get my gliding and an powered wings well of course things have changed a lot since i did my <hes> gliding cautious <hes> only a mea unfaltering five forty seven years ago but things have changed slightly own having to rely on the squinting at now on the squinting it says you would start with a gliding introduction costs <hes> it would be either in <hes> vigilant motor glider are biking wink schloss launched glider and the coast there are three different courses would consist of a certain number of minutes flying or a number of launches choose and you'd be shown basic things like how the pitch changes aircraft. The rudder affects their body blahdy blah in the basics of handling. We're gonna across <hes> and if you did well enough that that then you could be awarded a gliding scholarship goes and that costs also once you've completed <hes> binding international cost one two and three would <hes> take you <hes> hopefully all the way up to <hes> <music> sarla <hes> so i you would normally complete the cost on where blue wings but it your it shows sufficient aptitude then and are allowed to progress silenced and you get a set of silva wings ooh and <hes> then in addition there are pilot schemes which cha in powered aircraft and gliders omerta gladys on a nearly one hundred and forty linebacker off grosses available to academics each each year and a further twenty seven places available at air experience flights and <hes> there a number of hours in overpowered aircraft then indeed on top of that there are flying scholarships we go even further and just for let's to get into one of these courses than they are always the air experience flights which at once twice a year when every could gets challenge to have twenty minutes half an hour flying around on a light achraf and <hes> they're shown what it's all about and so the the academics do have a number of flying and gliding courses available to them so i assume brilliant brilliant all right thank you nick ver- answering ben's second questions <hes> mike smith room maynard massachusetts rights and i started to write an email but i figured i'd give you your vocal chords a break and instead send some audio feedback about out flying into oshkosh air venture twenty nineteen. Hi gang mike the sonics guy from boston here. It was really a pleasure meeting with everyone at the air force museum museum and dinner after than liz dr steph when we were passing by the motorhome and camp shoulder. I got into venture on sunday. When others were not and i i taught my experience was worth a little storytelling anyone who flew into air venture this year knows how difficult that was at the start of the show due to the soft wet ground conditions ends on sunday. I was south of auch in waukesha trying to figure out what to do. The ada said there they only letting in tundra tires display aircraft it or aircraft with reserve hard surface parking areas <hes> let's see the sonics company is located on the airport at the east east ramp and they have a homecoming event the sunday before the show from ten to two for sonic axes. It was ninety m in waukesha. I told my wife to drive into the airport right away. I had a plan. I took off and headed north not too many aircraft fisk approach due to the restrictions. The fist controller asked each aircraft to confirm firm. They had tundra tires were display aircraft or aircraft with a reserved hard surface parking area when they asked me said local traffic east t hangars the controller paused. He's not local that hard surface parking <hes> -firmative. I said okay right. Turn zero nine zero degrees for runway way three six left approach. I made the landing on the yellow dot and put up my sign. In the windscreen local traffic east e- hangers they taxied me over to sonics and i parked it was eleven thirty and i was in. I got lunch at sonics and chatted with a bunch of people as they do every year around one pm. The sonics company aircraft lined up to taxi across the field to display area. I had already gotten a report from a friend on the other side that the usual sonics show parking area was dry and firm so i just jumped into my sonics tagged onto the end of the line of company aircraft and headed across the field the sonic aircraft were taxied off of papa to the new sonic onyx show location and that just happened to pass right by the usual son parking area so i let the company aircraft keep going and i simply shutdown hopped out and pull my plane across the grasp of the parking area. I was in at i not i might not have gotten in until tuesday due to the restrictions and then all the saturation the fiscal approach anyway. It was a lot of fun at oshkosh again this year. This is my seventeenth year in a row and i just love it every year really happy to see everybody wish i'd gotten spend a little more time with you old blue skies tailwinds and as i like that we need to change ours lose guys. I wanna say all i remember occur scale skies tailwinds in i._p._a.'s without blue skies till skies tailwinds and as assyrian bourbon. Whatever like you mike smith sonics pilot. It was a pleasure meeting you both at the u._s. Air force museum liam and also at oshkosh and thanks for sharing your story of how you got in there. This is interesting <hes> john card <hes> there was a link to an article from airspace magazine aerospace magazine airshow star. David martin always wondered what what what it would be like liked to fly. Every day in twenty eleven smoke on an flying for the fun of it l. Let's the caption for that to photo david. Martin has always loved to fly from the time. He got on his pilot's license at seventeen. He knew that flying for him was more than a casual pastime. You loved it so much that even as a teenager he started thinking about what it would be like to fly every you day for a whole year and twenty fourteen. He decided to find out he flew everyday that year and the next and the next. I didn't plan to fly as many days as i did. Martin it says kind of related to a runner who starts out and just keeps running. That's the forest gump that day on. I was going somewhere running. Anyway seems like all of a sudden. It was two years after that honestly seriously it was going to stop at one thousand days. I thought that's a good number the day that was going to be the one thousand th day i went to get a physical and my doctor said why would you stop. Why don't you just keep going so. I decided okay. I'll keep going on december thirty. First two thousand eighteen. Martin flew his last consecutive daily flight on day one thousand eight hundred twenty six. If on every day for five straight years parton says there were a number of circumstances that made flying all those days in a row possible first he lives in the middle of texas or there's always he's almost always one mile visibility now the federal aviation administration minimum under visual flight rules and daytime uncontrolled airspace in five years. There was never a day that was is fogged in all day. Long says martin i live in a lake and the airport is right beside the lake. All you have to do is get high enough to fly around the lake and come back and land second. He has a lot of airplanes seven plus a few others under restoration that are in pieces. I probably blew my piper cub the most because it's easy to push out and it's my favorite airplane. He says if it was down to one airplane that would have to be it. I just puttering around in it. Currently he performs in beech baron. A beech baron flying lying and engine out performance similar to the routine made famous by bob hoover and a wrong. We sort of oshkosh oh you did yeah very nice jesse that he did engine amount <hes> aerobatics engine landing very cool. I must not okay. I saw that with nick yeah. It was cooking. Yes that's right yeah. Traveling airshows and performing filled a number of days in his total time aloft during the winter and spring though having a variety of aircraft to choose from was especially important. It gets pretty windy in his hometown of possum kingdom late lake texas the winds here. You can blow forty to fifty miles per hour all day long. That's when he climbed into the cockpit of one of his robotic airplanes a french c._a._p. To thirty two or a two seat german extra extra three hundred aerobatic aircraft were actually better in the wind says martin who was the two thousand one u._s. Aerobatic champion they have so much control authority that they can handle a lot of wind taking off landing anyway. The article goes on you can read the rest of it by heading over to the show notes but that is quite eight an accomplishment of fly every single day consecutively for five years straight. That's pretty amazing. Shares dropout sounds like my. I joke yeah. Not quite i mean he covers the obvious that once you start getting into a and you don't wanna break <hes> the chain ekos as you might be encouraged to fly on days when the conditions really all suitable danny drawn by particularly. He's obviously the <hes> pretty experienced guy and he wasn't <hes> in a bat a concerned about making a particular number. He was just doing a fun but of course someone deliberately set out. I'm beat that record and that swamp would concern me because you know you end up making decisions that you really should not right good point kind of at in contrast with a good flight safety possibly all right tim one of our producers tim van ram. Have you heard of that guy on repulsively from san fran or frisco one. Those places frisco yeah he's from betty in the sky with a suitcase podcast is so much fun to listen to in her episode one sixty eight poof. She explores the tire that airline pilots twos to wear on layovers okay so a lot of the people that listen to this show. I also subscribe to betty in the sky with a suitcase podcast. She's very funny me me i do. I do too and <hes> <hes>. Let's see i'm going to play a little excerpt from an i asked betty if it was okay if i played some of these clips from her latest podcast and she said i hope that wasn't too offensive and i said oh no. You're dead to me. Can you describe the way that pilots dress on layovers why tennis shoes baseball cap team or the university sweatshirt of shirt nor have. I heard the bottoms jeans shorts g. o. J. dan straw or shorts with a high socks high white socks. Yes how would you describe the way pilots dress on layovers disgusting testing. All americans are beginning but <hes> most of them do not have any style. That's hello is kind of like baggy clothes and big shirts and hawaiian styles anything goes. I think yeah very easy to recognize them. The over i get down from milo to get it's getting better. Some oculus better yeah but usually take a look at your shoes yet. Either they work the way they work shoes or they wear off ten years old fifteen years old. Here's knickers. Yes the wrong color maybe you can you describe what pilots <hes> dressed like on layovers duds jeans and a shirt of some sort just bland pretty bland yet pretty brown pretty bland. You're safe yeah. That's good. That's a good word say two outfits predictable boring. I was going un-imaginative airport songs. Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah. Oh always jeans say like because we can see talks. Yes good jeans and a lot of times they tuck in shirt. Yes they took him this year but you know we can even <hes> because we're at hotels with other airlines airlines. We can tell the pilots from other airlines. You can always tell yes it's like. They have a uniform right. Do you know the game that they play on. Some radio shows where they show a picture of a man and you have to guess whether they're gay or european. It's an i mean it's like skinny. Jeans skinny the collar yes much much tighter skin-tight boring it saying bland oriented okay the i think we're actually some more i i didn't play all of them <hes> but she was a sport letting me play that on our show and now we're not offended at all and in fact we've we've witnessed the same thing eddie. I used to have a special set of clothes launched bringing to america so i didn't stand out from the crown in and uh and they would like the danke close you ever seen <hes> and <hes> you know i would never normally wear white socks and trainers and jeans jeans but i always did in the states because i if you dress like europan then <hes> you know appeal single you out as a terrorist exactly right i used to clip on my colt forty five and i'm a baseball cap in danke clothes and a high right at home. I love that he's laugh when she starts chuckling assist contagious anyway tim ben ram <hes> continues as other flight attendants attest to this phenomenon that <hes> layover pilots are easily identifiable so much so that they can tell the difference between which airline the fashion duds worked for <hes> so anyway he does basically goes over exactly what <hes> we just excerpted from episode one sixty eight poof. If you haven't subscribed to betty sky with a suitcase podcast please do <hes> we'll put a link to that in the shown out so you can <hes> subscribe to it as had many any of the people that listen to this show already do and i think that you'd really enjoy it betty. When i was born. They broke the mole i. I don't like a pilot. Don't really don't dress like a pilot. Although i dress very casual <hes> yeah sorry yeah well. Sorry tim i mean i don't wait up high white socks. I don't wear the old tennis shoes that we are usually very nice. Pure schwarzen- some t shirt apolo short sure i always wear cap that's in everyday life because while i'm just ball and i hate me involved a little defensive yes. Why am i what's up but i don't wear a baseball cap now. Okay that's fair. That's fair all right. I think it might be time for us to do this. Week's installment of the old pilots plain tales. Yes thank you you go for all right. Pilots plane entail the disappearance of miss hoban in the way of miss marples novel when miss hogue bom vanished without trace during a journey between launceston and melbourne bowl in australia. It was a mystery that needed solving silently unlike the stories of emma detectives active at agatha christie right about the whereabouts of miss hobart was a conundrum that would never be on so miss hobart last message had been over redondo island all's well the it was nineteen thirty four fall and along with miss hobart disappearance another twelve people passed into oblivion as well to <hes> miss miss hobart crew mr gilbert jenkins and captain v c holy of holy men airways for miss hobart was a haviland orlands eighty six d h eighty six was also known as the express a four engine biplane developed from around the successful jalan dragon and used extensively on routes around australia and other parts of the british empire was remarkable audible about the disappearance of this particular aircraft into the bass straits between the island of tasmania on the mainland of southern australia. It wasn't so much the crash but one of the passengers who was lost and the effect that it would have on the entire aviation nation industry passenger in question had no connection with aviation a tool other than he was flying and miss obama'd and he was an anglican missionary the reverend hubert warren he was travelling to sydney to take up his post in the new parish. He left behind a wife and four children. One of whom was his eight-year-old son and david a parting gift to david from his father had been a crystal radio set which the boy treasured deeply aw tinkering with this clever little device david learned how it were and within a few you use was making and selling copies two boys his school for five shillings each this last gift from his father <hes> had launched a love affair with science that would change his life and the world of commercial flying and save countless line twenty david warren graduated from sydney university with a science degree a diploma from melbourne university a p._h._d. In chemistry from imperial college london and he became a lecturer in chemistry at the university of sydney however of a david had a growing fascination in the burgeoning subject of rocket science and before long he was posted to the woomera rocket range as as a scientific officer this led to him being taken on by the aeronautical research labs part of the australian defence department where he rose to the post of principal research scientist he had a brilliant and enquiring mind no doubt but how is is this going to be turned in the direction of s safety you will. I hope recall no highway in the sky. The tail light told the troubled beginnings of civil jet transport when the very first jet powered airliners to have a link comments began to full from the sky in nineteen fifty-three david warren was loaned to the expert panel of investigators who were trying to piece together the coals of the comet losses as a researcher for the fuels that these new jet turbines needed it was davis job to investigate the likelihood of fuel being a factor in the crashes and to calculate the effects of fuel tank explosions when debris from a crash comment was finally recovered. David's research showed <hes> that the fuel onboard the comet did not explain the damage that the aircraft had received and the the causley elsewhere however his exposure due to the investigation late in to conclude that the biggest problem the team had in solving the answer was the lack of data. He went back to his lab on wrote a very short technical memo on the need to record data in crop that would aid crash investigation entitled a device for assisting investigation into craft accidents. David warren wasn't the first to come to his conclusion back in the late. Third is francois who snow on paul dean had created type h._p. Flight recorder from scrolling photographic film which used used a ray of light deflector by mira to record data. The styler recorder was still in use by the french flight tests centers well into the nineteen eighteen seventies. It was a single use to feis on safm was exposed. It couldn't be reused which prevented his popular adoption during world war two len harrison and vic husband who worked femme br in the u._k. Had developed a recorder that used sideline linked to various instruments and control services which left indentations on a roll of self copper foil also in nineteen forty two the finns wins devised a recorder that was used at its main aircraft factory and tom path during test flights their fighters. I'm both british and american. Eric forces had experimented with intercom voice for quotas which used magnetic wire these recordings allowed the voices of those breivik three to be played to the public over the radio but despite these <hes> the efforts efforts nobody had come up with a complete set to the problem of how to record flight and boy stay top for the growing commercial aviation market lookit as warren started looking into ways to solve the dilemma presented to accident investigators professor crash ryan of of the university of minnesota was finding a painting for a coding apparatus full flight recorders and the like is original device nice cool. The general mills flight recorder kept a record of flight conditions by recording changes in velocity altitude and gravitational forces on a strip of aluminium foil in a similar way to that of the british device and ryan is credited with producing the first crash resistant assistant data recorder backup the comet accident investigation david warren knew that he noted together complete picture of what might have caused roles tonight kroft crash as much data as possible should be recorded including the sounds that could within the competent it was earlier earlier in nineteen fifty three whilst he was attending a trade show that he had caught sight of a german-made miniature voice recorder that that was being offered to businessmen to detain members david how the client device so that he could use it to record swing and jazz and make bootleg copies of his favourite musician would he recalled thinking that if a businessman had been using one of these in a plane than we could find it in the wreckage and we played it back with say we know what caused this any sounds that were relevant to what was going on would be recorded. The chances that have recorded had been on board of course and survived the fiery wreck. Were basically nil bought. What what if every plane in the sky had a mini recorder in the cockpit. If it was tough enough accident investigators would never be in this this confusion again because they have the oreo right up to the moment of the crash at the very least that know what the pilots had said and <hes> ed the idea fascinated him so when he got back to the aeronautical research labs he rushed tellies boss about it silently. His superior didn't share his enthusiasm and he was firmly told dr warren. It's nothing to do with chemistry all fuels. You're a chemist chemist. Get that to the instrument group and get on with blowing up fuel tanks. David knew his idea for a cup record with a good one bob without officials support. There was little he could do about it. Even though the idea continued to niggle at him like an itch that couldn't be scratched when he was promoted. David pitched his idea to his new superior who was more receptive. He was urged to keep working on it but discretely since it wasn't a government approved bench. I couldn't be seen to take up lab time or money. He was warned if i find you talking king to anyone including me about this matter. I'll have to sack you a sobering thought free young man with a wife and two children to support however behind hind the scenes he was given the <unk> approval and a new dictation recorder was quietly a as an instrument required for the laboratory. Sorry when the idea of pit voice recorder was released to the aviation industry the pilots of the day responded with fury. The australian pilot's union branded the idea of recorder as a snooping device and insisted that no plane would tank off in australia with big big brother listening. Even the authorities seem blinded to the potential of the device <hes> stralia civil aviation authorities declared that it had no immediate significance and the royal australian air force fed it would yield more explosives than explanations around around the world pilots complained that it would be an unnecessary intrusion into their working environment and that it could be misused by the management judgment of unscrupulous companies to victimized pilots based on private conversations on the flight deck. The bigger picture was that it would be an invaluable invaluable tool in analysing accidents and could only add to flight safety compromises would have to be reached which would allow pilots to arrays of recording once a flight had been conducted safely a function that has on occasions sidedly been misused. I the negative impact of his proposed recorded dismayed david and he was tempted to pack a dolan but he had a stubborn streak and in the same garage where he had built and sold little crystal sets he continued with his development of a functioning prototype when the first little little flight recorder was being finished off in the lab visit from england happen to be getting a tour of the facility and dr warren was asked to explain in his world. I pray time it used magnetic steel. Y two stole four hours of pilots voices plus instrument readings it automatically a raised old records so it was reusable nice say said the visitor. That's damn good idea. Put that ladd on on the next courier and we'll show it in london so it was that david rapidly found himself on a hastings transport aircraft making a run into england. You had to name someone pretty powerful to get a seat on it and david wandered who this man was who was giving away round the world l. tickets to someone who had never met the answer was robert hall dekum the secretary of the british air registration board and a former uh of vice marshal in the royal airforce in aena unbelievable irony the plane david was on lost an engine over the mediterranean but win. The cruise said to the passengers champs. We seem to have lost donc. Does anyone wanted to go back. It was a unanimous vote to continue. I have david david recorded the rest of the flight thinking that even if he died in that limping transport plane at least i'd have proved the bastards wrong in england. David presented the a. r. l. flight memory unit to the royal aeronautical establishment and some commercial social instrument make us the b._b._c. ran t._v. And radio programs examining it and the british civil aviation authority immediately immediately started work to make the device mandatory on all civil aircraft middlesex firm as well and the sun's approach dow rail well about the production rights and kicked off manufacturing although the device was protected by strong orange colored casing the common in wartime term black box for any electronic device was coined by a reporter and it stuck flight data recorders what is quickly became a requirement for british commercial aircraft but it was still strong opposition to the cockpit voice recorder element of this device vice australia became the first country to require the usa cockpit voice recorders off to the unexplained nineteen sixty crash crash of trans australian airline's flight five three eight falk f- twenty-seven hit the sea off townsville during an approach after waiting being forced to clear the board of inquiry could not determine the cause of the crash but one of the strong recommendations was that the carriage of for quotas be mandatory on civil transplant at croft a trend that was eventually taken up by other countries since then although they refined and upgraded voice plus data recordings have become mandatory in all major craft throughout the world it has proved we've done valuable in helping to solve many disasters since today's records <hes> considerably more sophisticated than david david warren's original design and have added features such as internal pa so they can continue to operate for a while if the aircraft power is removed left solid state memory and digital recordings which a highly resistant to the shock of a crash they can withstand high impact speeds that recall it was up to three thousand four hundred gs and a temperature of one thousand degrees centigrade one thousand eight hundred and thirty degrees fahrenheit earn height the case there in can also survive crushing low temperatures penetration deep-sea pressure and immersion in sea water or other the fluids in addition that fitted with an underwater acoustic transponder which will transmit it slick ation they are required to be colored bright yellow or orange with reflective surfaces and all are lettered flight recorder do not open on one side in english and the same infringe on the other to prevent inquiring minds from accidentally destroying the data in the future. It is possible that self ejecting recorders that can be easily found and recovered will be required and it's possible that flight data will also be continuously transmitted live via satellite links the n._t._s._b. Has also asked for the installation of cockpit image recorders in large transport aircraft to provide information that would supplement went existing data recorders whatever the future dr david warren's invention has helped solve many aviation disasters and on has contributed enormously towards aviation safety for more than fifty is dr david barnes pioneering work on the black box went went almost unacknowledged finally in two thousand one he received the royal aeronautical society's lawrence hargrave award god and he became an officer of the order of australia in two thousand and two for his service to the aviation industry. He never saw a penny the in royalties from his invention and asked if he felt hot dumb by standard response was yes. The government got the results of what i did but then they also didn't charge me for the all the hundred ideas that didn't work he passed away in two thousand and ten aged eighty five and was buried in a casket upon which there is a notice surrounded by a large orange square. It reads flight recorder inventor. Do not open love it. What a great story. Thanks very much <hes> do chris for <hes> suggesting suggesting we cover it. Oh i cover and <hes> yeah i'd love to once i got into it and found that a little bit more about him and <hes> if thing that happened it was really very intriguing on the coast and as great discussion point on why we were we as professional pilots awesome particular <hes> save if protective of our environments that we didn't want voice recorders to be recording what happens on the flight deck and now in the second sort of phase the next phase why pilots on now being very protective about <hes> having cameras on like but yeah the safety people say well. It's it's final tonight. If the information you as pilots <hes> seeing is the same information then that we get on the data recorder coast-to-coast your instruments might be in era which might be a reason you let into a crash and we can only find that information nation by looking at a camera to see wanted what your instruments giving you at the moment of a crash incidents you know their pricing comes jason. My personal feeling is that <hes> particularly since i've retired is <hes> that <hes> you know every single every single avenue should be investigated to ensure that we get most information we can via exelon on job nick on the <hes> the this plane tales is fantastic very very informative. It's too where all sadden how it all said. <hes> you know as far as video recorders in the flight deck i think unfortunately i think it's gonna happen. Eventually <hes> see not happening especially in our day and age <hes> but you know i can see what the big fear is throughout all all the years that is the companies use it for enforcement action yeah. We're we're in a position that we're married to the company. I mean period like we can just go out and go to another lie so it's it's they're already. They're already using things like you know. Call it the focal programs monitors and triggers and stuff like that or recording according things and you can get executive actor administrative action taken because of doing that of course we have safeguards that <hes> protect our professions like the ace program that kind of thing but i would imagine that we had a video recording as well it would fall under that same kind of umbrella ella of of risk and safety from you know on deserved yeah on unscrupulous management who wanna pin us to the wool on and <hes> overly <hes> unitive might say a few departments who wanna discipline pilots declare actions now we we we should by now have a no jeopardy safety culture in in every in every country in the world. I don't think we quite yet but certainly in america and europe. I think it's pretty well established by the end of a shoot spear because quite honestly <hes> i'm a great believer that if <hes> if we're doing things on the flight date that <hes> we're trying to hide from anybody then we shouldn't be doing them so i mean it's on professional environment. I realized realized as an argument that no one else in the world all very few places in the wild. Do people have such close scrutiny on what they do every minute of their working day in the office but we're in a different category. Am i think we should be accountable for what does on the flight. I'm pre prepared head to stand up for ourselves and defend ourselves if people question our actions so that's to me pump postle of being closely monitored casaus <unk> drives a safer environment it does in in i. I can't disagree with you on that. I i honestly think <unk> speaking outside of the box a little bit but i think if the ec- opium a lion year there's a video recorder up there on the flight deck. We'd have have a much better picture of what those guys i will going through at the time <hes> dealing with that seventy seven eight on max <hes> yeah good good point. I mean we do have a good picture now because we can tell by the instrumentation and with the control forces were but we you know we don't know how that person awesome was interacting directly with the airplane how much fighting in atlanta and we don't have that picture so i think <hes> you know that that would've been some key information. I agree with you nick. I think i'm not one that <hes> does anything in flight day would ever harm jeopardize have nothing thing to hide a fly the airplane and operate the clean in in a safe manner bias appease among once the do things that are outside the realm of what we're required to do and how we how we're told to do it. <hes> i do know young walla hall you. I mean one of the things that was interesting to me for. You is slowly coming across upon coming to visit us in your texting yeah exactly that's something that forever as now in in now you can do it if you're in the back of the airplane on your coo rest west but for us for the egg we can't do it. Look look look at your picture right now and see a beard on your face. We can't have that right so there. There are different cultures in different parts of the world that <hes> you know example going overseas. I have never flown international flight. Long-haul but what do you do for six seven eight hours text. You texting read right. You do something to keep yourself occupied so long as it doesn't interrupt with your professional duties. That wouldn't be the case of us yeah. We're not allowed to read when invite has a newspaper or technically speaking or look at anything else other than professional as far as looking at had reading the f. o. <unk> operational trump procedures anything somewhere technically speaking. We're not sports having those who'd want to read anything else exactly me who would want to read you know <hes> u._s._a. Today i mean i only would anyways. Why wall street journal are any any. I mean that's that's my points. I mean i'm not saying that. They do that because they really. They don't <hes> but you know that there's different cultures here so that's why i think they'll be some some blow back on that. That's and i'm just playing devil's advocate. I agree with you there. There will be blowback. That's for sure but i think eventually the the people that are pushing for it will prevail whether we like <hes> yeah and i think if you asked on passengers they would say oh for him to say we need eight this stop if it makes our journey safer and do it <hes> austral if you think about it that people that pay wages ultimately but louis and <hes> i think <hes> it's it's it's it's a requirement. I think it should be in the sooner rather than later well. I think we should stop talking about this move onto number eleven and this is from ant pruitt. Send some audio feedback and take it away roya aunt hey dare a._p. Crew my name is an pruitt and i wanted to leave some feedback slash. Ask a question or a to. I won't take up too much time <hes> because you know i'm not quite as enlightened as most of the a._p. G. listeners are have all of these well thought out questions and so forth and first and foremost <hes> i enjoy your show and i really appreciate what you guys do far ars <hes> being an inspiration to <hes> aviation community so shut out to all of you there <hes> but anyway onto my question <hes> i fly charlotte pretty much all the time and the aircraft of choice for my airline is usually really a mad dog or a b seven one seven now. I know that both captain jeff and kept him. Dana <hes> are the mad dog pilots of the crew forest like cross training or anything like that <hes>. Do you guys find yourselves. You know having to switch into the b seven one seven instead of the mad dog here in deir depending on the trip <hes>. Is that something that could potentially happen happen or is that something that airlines try to stay away from because of you know certifications and things of that nature. I was curious about that and i only ask because nine times out of ten. I don't know what the aircraft is just from glancing at it because they look so similar when you see them parked at the gate <hes> <hes> but i was just curious so that's the first question second question recent flight coming out the columbia believe head into g._s._p. An engine went out on the plane and the pilot was able to safely get the plane landed in g._s._p. With one engine and there's no issues far as like safety to the passengers or anything like that in the crew everybody was fine. Just you know crap happens if you will have any of you pilots all all of you had to experience an air emergency you probably have. I haven't heard it on the podcast episode. I've listened to but i was just curious. Have have you had any type of series aircraft emergencies where you said oh crap. We need to get this plane on the ground safely right now but those are my two questions. Thank you again and also for the record. I am still star struck from meeting. Dr dr steph several months ago here in charlotte with the mischance mutual friend yeah it is what it is. You all take care. Thanks again for everything you do for aviation community and aviation geeks and nerds like myself. We'll catch you later. Thanks aunt. We're star struck when we see you <hes> by the way when he recorded this. I don't believe he knew at that point and i guess maybe not that he was going to take on a new job working for leo laporte in the twit network. He's a one of their new full-time employees there and so i guess that means that he's going to be seeing a lot more airplanes around the san francisco and oakland the bay area airport not just charlotte where he and his family live right now. Maybe they've already made the move. I don't know but <hes> yeah twits definitely on my <hes> listening list <hes> so that's great news for we're <hes> aunt and we're we're so happy that we we know somebody <hes> on the <hes> on the twit team personally. That's pretty cool <hes> two one. Can we get our shop notice getting better. No i'm. I'm i'll say if you give us a flag. Let's see switch which between m._d.'s and be seven seventeen when we first started getting the boeing seven seventeen <hes> the the company could have with consultational. They don't excuse me dr you just froze for like ten seconds to okay that were nice. Stop when we moved from or something on the b seventeen okay we've started taking deliveries on the boeing seven seventeen they were owned by airtran initially south west <hes> merged with airtran. They were going to use operate. The seven seventeen then they decided now be best to stick with a seven three so they put these things for sale and acme decided that it'd be get airplane to <hes> pick up for a really good price and a right deal actually <hes> one of the things in consultation with the f._a._a. Our company <hes>. I said well we could make this all part of the same category <hes> along the m._d. Eighty-eight the m._d. Ninety in the box seventeen <hes> or we can and make it a separate category now still the same type rating in fact as many of you know dana. I have a dc nine typewriting although we haven't really technically default d._c. Nine <hes> only well a d. c. nine dash eighty eight and a d. c. nine dashed ninety. I guess technically speaking <hes> so we could the company could've gone that way but the decided to keep it simpler and keep the training separated keep us from being confused by the different kind out of a december seventeen has a more modern <hes> display like all one display bigger. Now screen on big flat panels that kind of thing <hes>. It's actually just like the m._d. Eleven okay just god yellen so you know. I think that we could've gone that way and i think the f._a._a. Would've said okay you have our blessing but decided not to do that and then keep it a separate category <hes> so <hes> we can't <hes> you know on a trip fly an m._d. Eighty-eight on one leg ninety and then a uh seven seventy-nine other now we can switch between the eighty eight and ninety enough similar enough that <hes> it's not a problem so <hes> that's just the way way we do it at acme. <hes> i think it was all he was asking by that yeah. He that's all he was asking in in quite frankly the m._d. E._d._s. m._d. Ninety product and the boeing seven one seven actually seven seven's originally an m._d. Ninety five and it's designed so <hes> the original intent was more likely to have it all common type rating however it is a common type pretty well so it can be yeah law audits all different a common category <hes> but with it being <hes> separates just the way that accompanied sent chooses is do it. I don't know anybody that operates <hes> at boeing seven one seven <unk> synonymous with the emmy ninety s there might there might i be some out there <hes> they may be. I don't know anybody of any other. Airlines operate said one seven except for us hawaiian. I do know that and <hes> i knew people in the in that particular department that we're talking about how they had a kind of a high level discussion about whether or not ought to include it in the same category or not and they just decided you know be on the safe side. Make it a separate category. I think it would have been easier for the company if they just made it. All one category would have given them a lot more flexibility i think but they decided to air on safety i guess but <hes> anyhow uh-huh that's unusual is she responsible because most airline would have thought if they could legally get away with it would have chosen the have the bonnets flying all the time and it gives much flexibility right. Well you know you look at you. Look at the automation in the in the the differences between the seven in the evening ninety. It's it's it's very much. A different airplane f-famous complete different <hes> the displays completely lately different the only thing very comment that just sat in the jump seat on seven one seven as a matter of fact up to oshkosh <hes> the systems were very similar in a lot out of the switches were in similar locations on the overhead panel and of course it throttle quadrant was very summer engine the engines switches but beyond that and the way the airplane flying flies insurance race summer however the actual operation the aircraft. I think is a is a very different. I think that we would have been able to figure out professionals. We can we can but it's an interesting dilemma because <hes> we faced. It's the same thing on our street moving from a twin genetic crop weighing two hundred and twelve all un's to a foreign engine airplane weighing up to three hundred fifty nine tonnes <hes> with different software different <hes> procedures etc so i mean i don't need different bit some bumps on that people would say in quite rightly. That's a big step than just having glasses from nelson too. I think once you get used to them. That spread is really simple. That's true so there you you have it. That's what happened at acme. When we acquired the some seventeen the other question he ad for us was have any of us experienced an era emergency. Apparently you guys quiet. Everything is perfectly safe if we've never had an emergency that tana moon and i never had one of those over i'm anything catastrophic like major engine failure and things like that. Have you dana no. I the closest i've ever had is an oil over temperature and we had had to pull the engine back to idle and that was my previous carrier not here. I've never had <hes> other than the medical emergency which is actually the most common emergency. That's i mean it's almost a hate say because it is emergency but it's almost a run of mill type of scenario compared to losing a a function of the aircraft. I haven't had that yet offering ever say. Although we've been experiencing claude have a higher our frequency of engine failures on our mad dog fleet in recent months and i'm always thinking about it hanging curls hang in there a hey ram. I feel your pain man in him talking to somebody that i know that flies he's feeling your cats and he said to engine engine failures <hes> yeah well talking about bad luck. Dana guys got your beat. Yeah i think so all right. I think we can move on we'll. We'll talk about it over a beer aunt not on a layover of course. Let's see craig. You know what you do you mind. If i just get a couple of these. I'm not feeling very good guys nice and <hes> no no. I think you should and i got chills and my fingertips are kind of like if you want why. Why don't why don't we just couldn't call it a night. We feel good. Let's call. I'm really not feeling good but let me do this. One more. I think this is kind of cute. <hes> some entertainment <hes> from civil air patrol chris he says hi captain jeff longtime listener back from the catholic holidays and i came up with a recording that is a spoof on deep thoughts from saturday night live if you would take about thirty seconds to give it a listen and if it needs if it meets muster for feedback part of the show feel free to share it tailwinds clear skies an unlimited visibility again this is from c._a._p. Civil air patrol and private pilot chris in atlanta. I thought it it was kind of cute so let's take a listen back at me. Airlines a friend of mine told me he was a mad dog pilot and i was fascinated. He said his relatives flew the plane as well and i thought does he ever wonder if he's flying it as well as his great grandfather did. He told me that the hiring department had some pretty strange requirements as well such as making sure that pilots did not have allergies to call. He recalled the training meaning manuals noting archaeologists and historians in the footnotes as we talked. I wondered how he fit all of the needed items into into his bag including the extent abacus and slide role and finally he chuckled as he said that the reason for so many mad dog jokes was that airbus pilots just did not have anything better to do on layovers just thinking about <hes> when he was talking about <hes> coal an allergy to cole. Maybe that's what i'm suffering from right now. Book black lung yeah. You probably got asbestosis from all the all the insulation that's coming down from the ceiling. Yes <music> oral. You've got stuffed around the airplane. You should oh you joke. You should see some of the interior there the ss hanging literally falling off into the you would laugh so hard knick you saw the inside of our airplanes sometimes falling rolling bar. I should take pictures of it and it's going to take some photos of it and send it to him and he looks like behind like all the glue and stuff like that. It really does look like it's not something that's safe to breathe being proximity head anyway would that thank you everybody for <hes> for bursting with us on the show here we do apologize for all the technical difficulties we had with the stream yard dot com at the beginning <hes> but we're we're still working on it trying to evaluate whether or not this is going to be a <hes> a good alternative to hang outs on air. <hes> and i do apologize also for the back that i'm just not one hundred percent at all. You can probably tell i was having more trouble with words than i usually do which is pretty common that it was <hes> that's usually she my problem i was. I was worse than dana tonight now. I'm just kidding but <hes> i'm just <hes> yeah. I feel like i'm coming down with something so i might have to make a call to my crew tracking people and talk to him about what alternatives the have one more day of this trip <hes> so we'll see anyway <hes>. I'm sorry sorry that we didn't get a chance to hear from staff. She said she did try to sneak in the connections sucks and can get the mike dork so unfortunately really where we weren't able to hear from staff should have that mac book with your stuff that when worked at twelve how she she's travelling light today ethingham will be interesting air which is say yeah we're going to hear about. It was a challenge that she <hes> took on with her father. Regarding who can log the nut the number of states fifty states total before the other and believe that <hes> i could be wrong about this but i believe that mike hernandez is flying to hawaii on sunday is that right stuff <hes> and <hes> and steph leaving today probably just about to leave on an airplane if he hasn't and already on and she's going all over the place i can't wait for her to describe to us <hes> her a roots flight and how what she experienced experienced and of course. She promised she's gonna do some some crew logs right. Did you hear that from being promising that she hasn't done while we're going to have to hold her to the player later on this one yeah so yep sunday all right so <hes> good luck stuff with your challenge and we hope to hear from you soon and and <hes> if you want to learn more about the show you want some feedback you can send it to air line feedback at airline pilot got dot com and if you wanna look out. The website has all kinds of information about the crew of the community <hes> i._o._s. And the android apps merchandise mpg live plain tales standalone feed and webpage with a lot more information about <hes> pintails covers in the audio. That's kind of supplementary material. That's definitely something to look at and other get stuff there as well so the airline currently guy dot com. Let's see how about social media this means. You wanna talk about that next yeah. That's <hes> steps. Steph in sort of <hes> departed the fix <hes> a._p. Crew is the handle you need to attract our attention on twitter and instagram and facebook. It's the normal facebook priante bowl <hes> slash pilot guy and find out facebook page page and slack. That's a semi quasi so she'd which is handled by hello or managed by hello and unfortunately <hes> we're just gonna have to play a recording allowed today. He's not here with me live a._p._d. Listeners please join us on our slack team. <music> slapped his communication coordination sharing platform beck works on your mobile laptop browser on slack we share news and ideas we suggest episode in plain tales topics six. We plan events and meet ups to get into the slack team. Please email me at slack at airline pilot dot com. That's s. l. a. c. k. c. sierra lima alpha charlie kilo at airline pilots dot com or send me a tweet with your preferred email address to at bell and i'll send you an invitation. That's hill else else spelled hotel india one echo one and see you in slack. Thanks hello <hes> great seeing oshkosh and apparently <hes> a stepper with us. Today she talked about the great little meet up she had with hill and his family drove down to north carolina and were able to uh do some roller roller roller coaster in and there was obvi- caroline's up. That's sounds like it's carolina's at like legs. Anybody know about that sounds like someone author long anyway <hes> so look forward to hearing about that when steph up returns and until next time wishing you clear skies unlimited visibility until went take care phil bredesen's five while by everybody will see he's sky <music> be such a good deal. I started got it open doors for the lonely. I help them to this and the guy <music> brands 'cause. I'm always guys i just don't have the time it and play hockey just fine. Ah oh guy <music> <music> <music>.

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