7 Burst results for "Carrie Mathison"
Design Matters with Debbie Millman
"carrie mathison" Discussed on Design Matters with Debbie Millman
"Fuck you. Well i mean and that was a part of our dynamic to route the series. And so yeah. I think i told him. Also at one point like fuck you. Maybe it was the beginning of the third season. I distinctly remember that. I was in a hospital all drugged up and i guess we. We're we exchanged many many. Fuck you but yeah. That was the that was the ultimate one. But but yeah so much of the show to is about the loneliness of being spy right and that's kind of the the sacrifice that they make. They can't really in joy. The pleasures of domestic life or intimate connections. You know i mean it was so interesting talking to actual people on the business a lot of times spies. Mary spies right for obvious reasons. Same risen actors. Mary actors but but so they work together. You know they have to have their fights in the shower out at sea and often relationships would fall apart when they were done with an assignment or opposed and they'd come back home and they didn't have the adrenaline to keep them connected or afloat. So i just thought all of those particular is about what might actually be like We're we're really interesting and it's not a natural not being the sand fiction there's some really great fan fiction. my god angelique stores up to be carrie. Mathison gideon jason gideon gruza to be saul berenson. It's so incredible. I had nine in in. That can only imagine. I can only imagine carry ends up in russia living with i. I don't know if the term is right or a russian operative. She ends up a sort of edward snowden character but in the very very end she begins to send saul information and so for my own personal fan fiction from the character yourself. Do you imagine that they're able to have any kind of friendship again. I can't help but hope so that they can. That was pretty inspired again. All credit to to alex and company. Y- i mean as i say it's so much about there being alone in the world and and the cost and the pain of that but her connection to saw a sort of everything like the way. I understood it she. She couldn't attempt these risks or these daredevil moves if she didn't feel supported and known you know kind of held by him. So yeah i. I love that idea that that line was not suffered right and i and they're kind of mean from their sledding us. They're pretty monastic. Like they're so devoted to this ideal this cause which is very abstract. Yeah that's what. I need for them to be united. Sort of eternally infinite. I.
Design Matters with Debbie Millman
"carrie mathison" Discussed on Design Matters with Debbie Millman
"Why does it really matter. It seems like this is like another benchmark that an actor yeah search seeing al pacino in the green room at some award show and he was up for something he was kind of green. He just looked miserable and he said out loud. He said these things are dreadful. Dread losing them you dread winning them. So i couldn't have said it better myself. I mean there's so nerve racking and and they feel something outside of the actual experience of making the thing i mean. It's a whole other industry like at this point and yes it is it's hugely validating and But i can't define you. I mean nobody does this so that they can accept an award at the end of it. You know and i think we can get confused about that interesting in that can be important markers about what we value in our society at any given moment and what. We recognize to be excellent work. But it's also a little arbitrary and you know those standards are set by a select group of people and it's not always -flective of what is really deserving of attention. You know i. I don't know. I think it's also dangerous to be critical them in any way. Like because you don't want to be seen as like ungrateful or on the outside or pacino's comment is pretty yak. Like yes got it. So right i just will always take his line. Homeland debuted in twenty eleven and headed show finale earlier this year you played the role of carrie mathison counterterrorism operative the cia. And i read that. The writing team had you in mind for the role from the beginning. In fact their first six drafts of the pilot. They called the character claire. At the time. You were also up for rolling. Clint eastwood's movie about j. edgar hoover. What made you decide to choose homeland. You had no idea that it was going to become what if it came. When i i read. That script was of course wanted to read the next one. It's their incredible writers. Alex and howard and boy do they know how to craft a cliffhanger. But i just thought that's way too much i mean. I understood what the commitment television show would be and ci was under such duress and she would be forever more you know. I just didn't want to invite that level of suffering into my life. But i don't know i realized that i was just flinching from the level of the challenge. I realized i. I had to do it and it was really scary. It was really scary. But you know it's not very often that you get well one to play a character that is as dynamic and robust carrie. Mathison is and i had shing credible team i mean. Alex surrounded himself by other Talented writers i mean. He had the courage to do that. Every single person in on that writing team had been show runners themselves so Just they were all really really. Skillful and mandy patinkin was my partner. And you know it's like it's much harder to do a technically easy. Seen that is poorly written than a really exacting seem that is excellently written And so i just got endless. Stream of excellently written very exacting scenes. Yeah i was so amazed that i never got bored. I mean that was ten years of my life and there was always a new facet of the character to earth and the writers. Were always very good about doing that. I mean they also didn't want to right themselves into ruts and it was almost like an anthology Series in that there was a reset every year and we would be based on a new location and we would focus on a new theme. So yeah it was. It was very stimulating. And i got to learn a lot about the bipolar.
Design Matters with Debbie Millman
"carrie mathison" Discussed on Design Matters with Debbie Millman
"I was technically enrolled at a school in la but was primarily tutored on set which was very lonely. Way to go out thing. And i don't know i i was starting to feel a little strange. I mean i was. i guess. Always mature or precocious or something but that just became really etched When i was strictly surrounded by adults and i didn't know how to like hang out. I didn't have friends independent of the industry who were my age. I really needed to make some. And i also wanted to give myself a chance to explore. Different ways of thinking and different subjects had decided that. I wanted to be an actor when i was a very young person and i just wanted to to make that choice as more of a realized grownup human things. Did you study it you know. I had a really great time and in fact my favorite class that i took was a graphic design class. No yes really. Got some graphic design. Chaffs well i. Yeah so my you know. My parents obviously were artists. And so i grew up drawing and we had so many. It was like a wonderland. Obviously there's the trapeze in the swing. But there was also a light box you know cutting board and banned this incredible rubber stamp collection. We had just so a surplus of materials. I still do my craft section in the basements very serious. So so i used to draw and then in junior high when i was miserable misanthropic kind of pecked a person i just kinda retreated into drawing so i became pretty proficient and so i took a lifetime class and it was so humbling because i i had i stopped. Drying didn't kind of put it together. It didn't quite realize that i had stopped doing that. Because acting had become so consuming and suddenly it was like i was driving with my left hand. I was really. I was just shocked and mortified. Anyway so i took this egg finally got that muscle working again which was great and my mom suggested. A graphic design class said clear. Your your work is quite stylized. You might like graphic design. It was like her like really stung a knew that was code for anyway but but she was so right. The first lesson we had is one of the best lessons ever had ever and she gave all the students the same she paper the same ruler and the same pencil and we all had to draw lines from the top to the bottom using the ruler. And the pencil and then we tact all of our drawings on the board and they were so different. It really has always stayed with me. Just do what you do as well as you possibly can. Don't try to be interesting. Just do you really mindfully. Yeah so so interesting to see the perspective that people have when given the same assignment. It was no room for creativity lake. Just draw out of lines and and even then your self is expressed. It's amazing after two years at yale you return to acting. One of your first roles was apart in the hours which was based on michael cunningham's pulitzer prize winning novel and you acted alongside meryl streep and julianne moore and one of the scenes. One of your scenes was rather heartbreaking conversation with an elderly jillian more. And i got the sense that you were the only really kind interaction she'd had with anyone in a long long time. Do you remember that that particular scene. And and what you were experiencing. Because i thought it was one of really the most beautiful scenes in the movie. That's so nice that you say that i eat. I loved making that movie. I mean obviously was such a special one and it was my first time meeting and getting to work with merrill and that was such an effortless scene between the two of you. You're so comfortable lying on the bed and talking. His mother and daughter was it was a really beautiful new on scene. Yeah i mean gosh. It was just just so thrilling to be that close to this genius. Who i had you know admired and studied for so long. I mean when. I saw sophie's choice at nine. I knew i needed to do this. Thing i mean madonna. Yes but then merrill mind that no way he's been referred to in your early years of acting as a young meryl streep you you must. I came that you must know yet but there are a lot of other young actresses who have also been called but them and she's like you know it's just she's the bar you know the example of of greatness and now she's mamie. Her daughter is one of my best friends. So i now. She's like maize mom. So that's funny. But and michael is now a dear dear friend. 'cause i did another movie that he wrote called evening where i met hugh and he married us. And we're in a ulysses book club with him. Now i yes. That's what we're doing our our pandemic a we are reading. Do visual interpretation of that book really someday. Yeah yeah. so you've gotten through. It took a class on ulysses in college and fell in love with it. And there's a line from the book. The longest way round is the shortest home. Which i've decided was like the motto of my life and having it carved into the steps to my house so that of just there as part of my life. Well that's a good tattoo anyway. So no it was. It was a it was a a wonderful re entry into acting again. Excellent material with excellent actors and stephen daldry. Who's you know another very inspired person. You return to this small screen in two thousand nine when you played the role of autistic and brilliant woman in the hbo film temple grandin. You follow this role with playing. Carrie mathison the brilliant woman struggling with bipolar condition on showtime's homeland. How has playing these extraordinary women impacted your own brain or your own brainwaves into this. I really was so thrilled to play women who were autonomous and defining and driving their own lives and the story and it's like a little sad that they he to be so extra in order to warrant that but yeah i mean. I was very privileged to get to consider temple in a deep way because she is an actual hero. And i've always been really really interested. Obviously in how people work but especially really interesting people and she saw things differently from most of us and she was able to make the world better because of it you know and she suffered enormously and kept advancing her and her interests in her work. Despite all of that. So yeah i guess. I felt very privileged to have a chance to illustrate that and hopefully engender empathy in people and audience members. Who might not have understood how somebody like that thinks and is an exists. Another thing these parts had in common was how many awards he won playing them which included three emmy awards a slew of golden globes screen actors guild awards critics choice awards people's choice awards and more and yet you said this about winning. There was a period. When i won all the things for temple and then i want a lot of things for homeland so it was like. Oh my god this again which was very nice but the gift of that is that you learn that. It doesn't really matter claire. Tell me more about that..
Keep Calm and Cauliflower Cheese Podcast
"carrie mathison" Discussed on Keep Calm and Cauliflower Cheese Podcast
"I'm glad you're listening to it. We are going to a lot going on today. A lot going on today and let let let me just give you the. Let me let me just give you the running order. Yes smashing smashing smashing to be here so yesterday just to give you. I talked about my love of smelling putting the snout. Right up against and chris o. On the fence boy that smells tasty is still is years later. The smell chris. Oh that was yesterday. Don drone was yesterday steamy. T calls you down yesterday. Not at what. Hannity from head. Although i could have done with that when i tried to set up the studio's downstairs earlier on but that was yesterday showed keep coming colorful cheese episode ninety four today. Indiana groans indiana. jones is getting all the groans. He needs some liver oil tablets constantly to keep those joints moving. There's a movie coming out fairly soon on the foaming at the moment the power of rhubarb. We didn't discuss it yesterday today. We're discussing power of rhubarb. The parade of old lazy lazy a lazy bastards. I probably would be in that parade but the parade of old lady vises also the day the turmeric foul this earlier in the week cheese grater torture devices. The blunderbuss gun. We didn't talk about that yesterday so so much so much so much. The monocle is the monarchial selim fashion. Maybe i will reintroduce the monocle as well and the smell of coffee as well. It's a game the aal's social dilemma. Ring we'll having more that things that are popping up. I saw great one just a few minutes ago. Probably the best one yet whether the isles may have come and been cracked forms with wants and the existence. They've been they've been. They've been cracked trump trombone. We'll be coming along again taking some of the goddamn awful headlines of the wake and we will be talking about that And eight ten to figure historical tend to figure. Today it says Fire door of russia in our historical tended competition we never talked about hammocks. The best hammocks is lovely arctic in london timethe about hammocks i do fancier a hammock right now. The butter moshi on epicurious buttery slab of delight that i saw the absolutely wondrous may be introducing you to that how the russians executed these things that may or may not be occurring on the podcast. This week. it's entirely possible that they will occur. But there's a chance slimmest chance laugher thin chance that those topics weren't so you know making noted them and hold them against me in six months time choppy widened. You talk about the most you. Why didn't you talk about the russian bells. I promise you they will be. I wanna find a video of the guy. He was swallowed in cape cod. Not in that way the gentleman who was swallowed by a whale in cape cod yes and he was spat out. We didn't taste very good. The whales better robin solar won't these humpback whales that that's what they tend to do. This bit robbins. And that's fine. You know. that's what the way i wants to do. But out in cape cod. I wanna find a video of the Basically the gentleman spat out of the whale's mouth. Anybody got an e footage. Really wanna see really. Wanna see the the gentlemen light being parachuted out of the whale's mouth at what next beat imagine the might be some bile old fish plankton. Probably like a sensitive Plankton old fisheries auto afterwards Any beginning footage also a postcard sent me the link. I was wondering if my love of jazz. Music is some sort of indication of the slight insanity. because i i've been watching trying to watch the end of homeland. I have given us skip for a few weeks but i need to finish off homeland. A series seven and eight but carrie mathison loves jazz and she is a cooking for cocoa pops. If you know what. I'm saying. And i'm wondering if you know my love of the jazz and upbeat jazz. Some of a little slow and mlb losey is a sign of maybe the marbles falling out so to speak. I don't know. I mean i'm has it again. Hazarding a guess here that it could be the beginnings of possibly coming straitjacketed so some of my favorite headlines from the week again not really relating to anything apropos nothing not nuns molly houses and sheepgut condoms a brief history to sex. That was in the sunday times review section short time ago. Also why not. Pick your coming out of lockdown overly everywhere. Maybe not in some parts of the world but pick your lockdown house. If you could only choose one what would you do. House number one net flicks blankets and limited snacks. House number two country walks fire pits unlimited wine house number three private the beach home gym pizza. Embiid house number four swimming pool in how starbucks unlimited chocolate. The house house full looks pretty good. I think i'd want chai tea. Maybe instead of omega billed as copper house five mountain views garden and hammocks scenic walks. This is getting difficult. How six library hot tub home cinema about the gym. Private beat sounds love pizza and beer. Maybe patronage in and tonic. Maybe but the country walks five. Unlimited wind sounds good. I think i think the chocolate may be and maybe the tea from starbucks the swimming pool could be the way forward for for your host. Tim possibly possibly. That is. That is where i will be. That's where i if if are looking at lockdown houses. Something else very interesting. I saw in the week in terms of real estate. Think of the real estate market as musical chairs during a buys market. You've got ten chairs and eight people playing doing a seller's market. You've got eight chairs and ten people blank during today's market you've got about three chairs thirty seven people but now the cheserem off. The floor is on fire and being chased around the room by next wording psychopath welcome to real estate. I mean these are some of the little things that i see in the in in the and and then i am. I did see again. I don't know if the isles trying to make fun of me here One brazilian wax wax the lash. I don't know if i if. I want to be waxed and then lashed sounds a little bit to boarding school days to me. The powers off rubab this twelve amazing but little known health benefits rubab. And i'm going to have a of my chevy magic to it as well. There is a debate. Wherever it's a fruit or vegetable rubab is well sold off to an ancient chinese medicine. The soothing stomach ailments is very popular in europe and becoming more pop in northern america nova strengthen bones and boosting brain health but there's a has a host of other benefits that you should get to know so rubab looks like a red center. Launch leads often considered often considered a fruit. But there's confusion. The stem of the plant is usually cooked can be raw as well. One.
"carrie mathison" Discussed on The Watch
"The the way that he was just shuffled off the stage struck me. I mean maybe there was a comment on some level about how quickly things can turn his world. And how you know. We saw with marina She's on a mission and then suddenly she is being exfiltrated post-haste and that's a wrap on her when she basically becomes like an office schlub. You know these are training people is arguably one of the three main characters of this season and you know. The screws are tightening. And he's is he going to be used as upon or they're going to blow his cover. What's going to happen. And then he's just like by the way i'm gonna go to korea and then we never see him again for the rest of the series. There's a couple of things that happen in this season. And i think in the show in general that made me i had to reset back to an earlier time of television where teams did just be like you know what like this cast member might not be working out or what hoochie returned to his home planet right. I mean like this would happen on friday night lights. All just voodoo has gone. You know we've decided that. We're going to reboot the show by moving him to a different high school. Landry killed a guy like the ever. Sean has talked about his admiration for friday night lights. He's talked about his admiration for shows. Like i think five seasons is a really good run. I show it was. We were kind of aiming for. But you know selene disappears. Selene seems like she is going to be a major factor in this show. I think she's sort of somewhat replaced by liz. And a couple of other people in terms of the she plays but salons in the show and is just not the same thing goes for. Nadia is not in the show. In season four rightly. She's barely in it Marina is the sort of main action driver in a lot of the earlier seasons in her kind of vulnerability is what drives a lot of the action up until was she gets out of russia and obviously she's not really in season five until towards the end there is a lack of sentimentality in that aspect of the storytelling that is notable. I mean first of all redondo speak about this about his interest in characters waxing or waning but it is sometimes discomfiting. I guess to our american way of watching tv that there's just not going to be resolution here that there's not going to be more to it that just because marina was as he said the central driver of the beep plot if not sometimes the plot for multiple seasons. She doesn't necessarily have to serve that role again. Because if you think about it that way all of a sudden you're veering back into and again. I apologize for using this as a hobby horse or the straw man. It's not fair but you're back in the homeland territory where everything happens to carrie mathison right. And it is a show about a star. It's a star driven show about servicing the stars rather than servicing. You know a particularly aesthetic vision of quote unquote reality. Which i think is what the goal was here. And i think that in retrospect and i think the show improves. In retrospect when you consider this in hindsight the way the series ends and the fact that handed over his last two episodes as a protection. Almost insurance against sentimentality suggests that this was it. just it's just a reminder of how important that aspect of the storytelling was throughout. So maybe now that. I've seen the finale. Even now i'm working sata's and talking to you the way. Pacemaker is shuffled off the stage. The fits that i mean. What what else did he have right like. I thought that the reason why. I one of the reasons why i like the fifth season quite a bit. Though i found it probably wouldn't say the hardest to follow per se but it was the one season where i felt like chess pieces. Were being put into place to satisfy a larger thing that were shot wanted to say rather than logically. This would happen. So i think nadia's cannon balling back into the show makes sense because this show ultimately had to be a tragedy but doesn't make sense. Because i almost i almost appreciated the fact that like paul had found this woman in moscow had moved on nadia had moved on. They had this toward love affair and if they just had that one day in the park in moscow and just been like that was crazy what we had together. I kind of think that that would have made a little bit more sense. To me or lease it would attract better for me. You know what i mean. I totally agree. I do want to say that this season we know i think prior to the season. We had fun pointing out the times when there was a little bit of tweaking of america from the perspective of of french and the french government. I think that there probably is no greater tweak than basic frenchman. Raymond sister on lover of the twentieth. Greatest love of the twenty first century in the one american sex figure. We have. who's not has boyfriend. Who's just like orgasm is overrated. Incredible credible seen I totally agree with you. It's almost as if there is a increase. In the lack of sentimentality everywhere else. In order to sneak in the naughtiest storyline to bring this to bring you overall series home emotionally because to your point her sudden arrival and then moving to moscow. And then you know immediate exfiltration from it it's not immediate deals immediate to us was the only time i felt allergic years of the show grinding and it was very jarring because of it and it's i don't want ding the show more because i think shows that we have rated very highly do that frequently and because it's so frequent we'd just accepted as part of the machinery. Libero generally was too classy for that but that said it was kind of a surprise in it did it did take me out of it a little bit. I guess it's also worth noting. And i think this is probably why you like the season so much or at least one of the reasons why i don't think anybody had on the big board that the fifth season of the show. I mean certainly no one did it the premier because these characters didn't even exist the fifth season would be the car love season or the car love and jay haas season. Right you know as the ended. They were stars. The smiley and carla of of this series. Hold time yeah. We didn't even know who. Jay was until the season four. So let's say. I think we'd probably save the guillaume paul stuff for when we talk about the finale industry and and just say like i mean this is what we can when you talk about a great series you can talk about the writing. You can talk about the direction. The collaboration whatever i think. Probably the most crucial aspect that connects great series across arizona. Countries is the ability to pivot the ability to find something incredible and then route if your ability to basically pull and others the others. You know what i mean from lost. It's like yes. Do you have that back. Do you have an east dillon in your bag. Do you have the others in your bag. I can't think of the mad men thing. But i mean obviously the wire did it three or four times. You know i mean madman did it. Constantly whether it was with a d'andre love interest or when Member suddenly harry hamlin shows up. And it's just going for barbara. John slattery like what's happening. Why do i love this. It's it's thrilling right yeah. I think.
"carrie mathison" Discussed on KQED Radio
"Listening to Tech nation. I've been speaking with neuroscientist Daniel Levitan, likely best known to you from his books such as This Is Your Brain on music on a field guide to lies. He's here today with successful aging. A neuroscientist explores the power and potential of our lives. Okay, now emotional stability. Could be tough for some people. We used to call it in the field neuroticism, and then they decided to call it by its positive since the others were more or less positive. Emotional stability is something that really is, It's hard to imagine having too much of it. Unless it numbs you to beauty and love and art. On and the finer things in life. You don't allow yourself to get caught up in pleasure or pain. Let's say But that that again is a predictor. Importantly of social relations work relations. Look Carrie Mathison in homeland, the character played by Claire Danes. She's an emotional wreck, not in control of her emotions, and she leaves a path of destruction in her wake. She's still effective at her job, but How much more effective could she be if she was More. Emotionally stable. Think of a friend of mine who member of their family was pretty emotionally unstable but was extremely successful and she used to say You just never know who's gonna walk in the door. Save guy. Physically, they could be up down mad, but all the emotions were always out or he was tired. You know, They said this about Stan Getz that he was a great bunch of guys. There you go. There you go. So but good. The great saxophone players spent a lot of time in San Francisco. Actually, you've been talking about the last one all through the first four, and that's the openness. Yeah. Open this to experience curiosity. These are all things again too much curiosities. We know killed the cat. You know the Darwin Awards. You're full of people who were overly curious like the German middle aged man who decided he wanted to see how hand grenades worked. And so he had found one and he put it in his vice, and he was gingerly sawing it open to see what was inside and it exploded and it killed him. Uh, that's a little too much curiosity and open this, I would say Yeah, yes, that want to get in trouble. You know, there's a lot you've been in trouble before. You don't need any more trouble. I don't think so. But But in general curiosity is a good thing and a very important quality to start nurturing at a young age. And if you didn't have it natively or the younger age, a crucial quality when you're older. To develop. I talked to a lot of life hackers in their twenties and they say, Well, what? What can I do? So that I'll be better in my thirties or get a competitive edge, especially Silicon Valley life. Hackers kind of people who listen to tech nation, of course. They're trying to optimize their brains. And I mean conscientiousness is important. But for For success in the business world in innovation in academia and technology. Cultivating a sense of curiosity and wonder. Is crucial. It creates new pathways. You're always you're always the most interesting person at a party or in a meeting if you're curious about other people rather than try to talk about yourself. It's interesting that you mentioned Silicon Valley because of the many things you talk about in the book. One is the young people in Silicon Valley that I know that really wanted increase their performance. And they've gotten into trouble with something we call micro does think Let's go there, all right? Well, um There. There is some evidence that some Some chemical substances can enhance cognition, and there's a wide range of these so called smart drugs. The vast majority of them are just quackery and pseudo science and bunk and somebody trying to make a buck. But there are a few that have been reliably shown to be cognitive enhancers. They don't work for everybody. The classic one from our generation is meth Affinity, which was known under the brand name Ritalin. More modern version of that is modal final brand name Provigil. Which can be a cognitive enhancer originally developed as a narcolepsy drug. Uh, And to help fighter pilots in the Iraq war to be able to fly 12 or 14 hours and still be fresh when they get there, But interestingly it's not a stimulant. They don't really understand the mechanism of action. Unlike Adderall, or or straight amphetamines, which are stimulants, the the dangers heir to fold here, which is that we don't have long term studies. On the kind of well, it's really it's recreational use. I mean, sure, it's got a business purpose. You're trying to get a competitive edge, but normally these drugs were made for people with serious medical conditions. And we don't have enough evidence about what the effects will be. If rather than simply trying to restore your neurochemistry to its normal biological levels, you're trying to boost them. We just don't know Now, Of course, they're micro dose e LSD and ketamine and all other kinds of drugs. And again a lot of evidence that those air helpful. The psychedelics Michael Palin wrote a fantastic book about it. And so when his book came out, we talked about it on You know, the science is certainly behind it for the cognitive enhancement. Launch again Long term We don't know now, Of course, the second I said there were two problems. The second problem is ethical. Um If You know, you and I are both wearing glasses. Glasses or a cognitive enhancement. Let's be honest, help us to read and at some point I'll get hearing AIDS and those will be cognitive enhancing. Um Is the ethical question. Um, if you had attention deficit disorder. And disordered neural firing and riddle and helped That seems like it's creating an even playing field..
How To! With Charles Duhigg
How To Steal Back Your Identity
"The greatest betrayal of abbey. Ellen's life began with a newspaper assignment. I was reading a story about detox diets. And i need to quote an expert and someone suggested this guy. Abby is a journalist and the author of duped a book about this fateful interview and the bizarre life altering aftermath and so i quoted him Actually it was in the new york times called a fact check. I said are you still in florida and he said no. I'm in the navy now i rejoined. I'm opening up a hospital for kids with cancer in iraq and afghanistan. And i said that's awesome. I want to write about that. Keep me posted and so he sort of did so. We'd never met in person until all why a later that when he finally was coming to new york city where i was living because he had to give a big talk at the un clearly and so he came to do is talk of the un and we went to dinner six months later abbey and this man who she calls the commander were engaged. They moved in together in dc. Well he worked at the pentagon. Abby went to grad school for international relations. But the more time she spent with the commander the more abby sense to something just wasn't quite right. What i made you suspicious. Me told me he had met his first. The first ex wife who's really his second ex wife but his first when he rescued her when she was held hostage in iran. And i said the age didn't add up. I said when we in iran he said oh it was a secret mission. You wouldn't have heard about it really well. And then i thought okay the someone has to do these jobs like better better. Decoy this nerdy asthmatic. Doctor you know like like why not and then. He told me that he worked at guantanamo as the medical director which he did that was part of the problem is that he kind of mixed fiction and fact together and one of his patients was a very wanted terrorist named osama bin laden. And i said that is impossible. And he said the president doesn't know and then i got like all you know. Carrie mathison a homeland. Like god. who's the jihadist. And who's not and who knows what it was. I was gasoline making myself crazy. Suddenly abby found herself using her reporting skills to investigate her own fiance she talked to professors about whether the commanders impressive stories could even be possible. Never like yeah. That's the possible. The final straw was when we went out to dinner with my parents. And we had brussel sprouts and he raved about the brussels sprouts and when we got out he said that meal was awful and i said why did you lie. And he said. I wanted to make them feel better. And that's when. I said you know what i'm out. There's no need to lie about something like okay. So so he was treating been logging and the president to know about it but it was. The brussels sprouts praised that gave him away in the end. I knew they weren't good but more than that. He admitted that he had lied. He said i wanted to make them feel good. And i thought you lie so beautifully which has flowed out of him. If you could lie about that you could lie about anything when you finally did confront him. How did he react to that. Well i left him. I said i'm out. So i never talk to him again. And i didn't find out until a year and a half later that he in fact had been stealing identities and when he was a drug addict. And i got a call from ncis and they said you know there's a doctor who's been writing prescriptions for vicodin and he's been using a bunch of people's names and identities and you're one of the people. Do you know this guy. Do you ever prescription. And i said well. No 'cause i prefer valium and so of course but anyway so he went to jail to make a statement against him. I just started researching all this stuff about this guy. Heaven the guy you're about to marry steal your identity is obviously different than casey's going through but it actually has a lot more in common with her situation than you might think abbas wrestled with the kind of psychological trauma that really defines any breach of trust. And she understands the obsession. That's now leading. Casey to work twenty hour weekends on her case. So you're in this kind of like luminol space of you may be probably sort of know them. But you don't know and you're not sure if you're ever gonna find out right. Can you kind of describe where you are with all this well. I kind of actually have this idea that i might want to sort of help other victims by maybe writing a book about the experience. I guess what i'm trying to do. Is you know sort of gather information about how other people handled it and how they move forward with their lives. But i don't necessarily want focus too much on our case. Because i feel like it's not mentally healthy evian. You've seen more people get duped and cope with getting duped than the next by by a long shot. So i'm curious to hear sort of your take on. What's the most interesting thing to me is. When i was reading the book was a how many people i spoke to. Who had been duped and most people didn't wanna talk about it or use their real name because everybody felt completely humiliated. So when you talk about writing a book to help people and what i tried to do anyway is at least make people feel less stupid. And if you're gonna feel stupid that's okay because everybody's stupid then