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"carol lennox" Discussed on The 11th Hour with Brian Williams

The 11th Hour with Brian Williams

12:19 min | 2 months ago

"carol lennox" Discussed on The 11th Hour with Brian Williams

"Now. As four corona virus testing. We still have no way to reliably answer the basic question of who has the virus and who might have immunity tonight politico reporting the number of corona virus test analyzed each day by commercial labs in our country plummeted by more than thirty percent over the past week even though new infections are still rising and a lot of places at the. White House trump appeared to signal that the issue would not be an obstacle to his goal of getting the economy up and running individual states. When the governors will be held accountable. If they need things will help them get those things but we want them to do their testing. We want them because they're equipped to do testing. We've created incredible tests that we've done more testing than anybody's ever done in the world here for our leadoff discussion on a Tuesday night. Philip Rucker White House Bureau chief for The Washington Post. He's also the CO author along with his post colleague. Carol Lennox of the best selling book a very stable Genius Jail Calvin White House reporter for the Associated Press. It was in the Rose Garden for today's Corona Virus Briefing Dr Anne Remind Professor of Epidemiology at the Ucla Fielding School of Public Health and Infectious Disease Division of the Geffen School of medicine she also runs the Ucla Center for Global and Emigrant Health where she specializes in emerging infectious diseases started her life's work as a Peace Corps volunteer in Africa. Good evening and welcome to you all and fill to begin with you. So much of the president's deflections and defense mechanisms were in full view today and yesterday putting this crisis on the World Health Organization which is a novel idea and affixing his own name. Apparently to the checks going out to Americans to be seen as part of the relief of a crisis he doesn't own. Yeah that's a good way to frame it. Their Brian Look the president has been trying for the last several weeks now to get out from under this crisis to deflect blame wherever he could. He blamed the governor's for a while. Now he's blaming the World Health Organization an institution he's sort of instinctively inclined to dislike because of his distaste for International Organizations. But you know he's faulting the WHO and he's suspending US funding for that organization at a critical time or world health were in the middle of a pandemic and now the United States is not gonNA help the organization helping to manage That pandemic this issue with checks notable because the president has wanted to take personal and political credit for the things that the federal government has been doing to help the country he sees himself once a cast itself rather as a patron for all of those who are impacted by this endemic and he. According to my colleague Lisa Ryan who was first to report. This story has ordered had at the Treasury Department to order his his signature. Be affixed to the bottom of all of the paper checks that are going to be going out from the IRS. That is the first time that that has happened in history. It is really not normal Typically the checks are signed by civil servant and will be signed by a civil servant but people receiving them. We'll see president. Donald J trump a memento side to the left hand. Bottom of the Czech Joe Calvin watched you today during the briefing. You gave nothing away as much as I strain to figure out the story watching your reaction to it in real time of our friend. Katie terror Did the math. After yesterday's two hour briefing and decided up. There were ninety three deaths in the course of the time it took to hold yesterday's White House briefing today. During a fit of anger of bitter exchange with a reporter. The president threatened to leave. What does that reveal about how he sees himself? This event as a daily event lease see the president especially over the last two days now. Being extremely defensive of courses reaction comes in the wake of a number of stories over the weekend I really doing deep dives into the failures of this administration to adequately prepare for this crisis. You know the. Ap The Times number of news outlets Lorsch Post. Of course I'm have all explored this idea of what the president could have known when steps. That could have been taken to prepare like you know. Placing bulk shipments for p. p. e. the personal protective gear for nurses and doctors. Making sure that ventilators were available on the president is very defensive claiming that he has done all of these things that we should all therefore be grateful to him for what he has done so far you see them blow up at the press yesterday and today we saw lead that press briefing yesterday with that incredibly unusual bizarre Video that CNN tagline propaganda is a campaign ad starting off a his briefing yesterday. So it's been very tense Amera Moines. Do you see any miscalculation in the president's framing of this Americans who are home. None of us are doing so because we actively want to be a part of a shutdown of our lives and jobs where we normally work. Everyone's home because they're scared to death of getting this talk about motivation to get back out there. Temptation to get back out there and the only thing that would be worse. A false start Brian. I think you're absolutely right. We cannot be basing decisions of how we will be able to get to the next step reopening our country on opinion it needs to be based on data. It needs to be based on research needs to be based on science everything that we're doing everything that we've done so far. All the sacrifices everybody has made to be able to flatten the curve to slow. The spread of the virus will be for nothing if we open up too quickly. Everybody has not into as you've just said nobody is staying home because they would prefer to be home as opposed to a working as opposed to going out in in doing the things that we normally need to do. We're all feeling this pain. So I think that it is very premature to be thinking about how we're going to open up the FOCUS. I would like to see the focus instead of the talk of of You know what the recent discussions that have been. I would love to see discussions about how we're going to be ramping up testing. I think these are very important. Vase and explaining to to the general public is well it? When we're talking about testing we're talking about testing for active infection but these antibody tests that people are discussing with great interest the antibody tests. Just tell you if you have antibody. It's not necessarily certain that that's going to tell you that. You have immunity and that we really need to understand how many people have had this if people have immunity and how long that immunity may last so that we don't let people start circulating in just without this kind of information and potentially putting people at great risk so I you know. I agree with you entirely Brian. Jovan if we can agree that most of this president's utterances both in person in the media and social media during normal times are in service to potential re-election efforts you think the Democrats coalescing so clearly visibly verbally and early is having any effect on the president's attitude these days we had a lot from sources over the last couple of months now talking about how are they were really pleased about the fact that former vice president biden didn't really seem to be you know puncturing. The public sphere very much felt like the president was up there every day. Doing his briefings at the podium. The whole world was looking at him. What the White House was doing. In response to the crisis in effect people started paying attention to Joe Biden. On who've seen over the last couple of days especially with the endorsement today by the former president at really changing vitamin down. Become a more central figure in a lot of stories. He's been actively responding to the president. He's set up his home studio in his basement. Like the rest of us And out trying to to fight back and I think you'll you'll start to see as Democrats stand behind Joe Biden as potentially you know he. He begins to stand up there and speak as the representative of the Democratic Party than potentially. You'll start seeing stories framed. More of a trump versus Biden dynamic Phil Rucker. Let's be honest about what we're seeing. The president is trying to get as much of this off of him and onto an organization like the. Who onto governors potentially as he possibly can talk about the risk and reward if that's your strategy to pin this on others while the base is paying attention yet while it absolutely is the Strategy Bryant in my reporting Along with Ashley Parker and Bob Cost Today inside. The White House is that the president is fixated on this May. I A timeframe of starting to reopen the country. Many states returning to business as usual starting may first but there is an effort a scramble inside the White House right now to try to create political cover for the president to try to create a public by end to get these business executives. You saw today at the briefing at the White House. The president spent five or ten minutes reading a list of names of companies in CEOS. Who are going to be consulted about this economic plan. The point there is to create political cover for the president. So that if things go awry if we have a second resurgence if you know free four months from now the assessment of the officials and the experts is that it which far too soon to get back to work that it's not the president alone who takes the fall but he can say look all these. Ceo's all these other people told me it was a good idea to get back to work and so they're creating that cover at this hour. Hey Am when I'm not watching and listening to you guys. I'm watching television myself all day and all night and listening to all the others and you hear two things that I'm hoping you can sort out for all of us news consumers and that is i. You can't go back to work and school and society without testing but also you here. You can't go back to work and school and society without vaccine. Well the testing testing in reopening. Are they come together here? We need to know where we are on the curve. We're going to need to know who is infected. And who isn't everybody should be able to have access to this both active infection whether it is symptomatic or a symptomatic so people aren't spreading it unwittingly to other people and then also these antibody tests that we've been discussing so that people can understand. Have they had this in? Do they have some some piece of immunity? This is the first thing we must be able to have all of these things in place before we can re open And I think that in general all of these issues together I mean we cannot open without data. We need data. That's the.

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"carol lennox" Discussed on The 11th Hour with Brian Williams

The 11th Hour with Brian Williams

13:45 min | 5 months ago

"carol lennox" Discussed on The 11th Hour with Brian Williams

"I am not in favor of any kind of registration against the anyone who came forward with them and now of course that's done. You may recall the address the issue of retribution and potential consequences from his testimony when he recalled his father's decision decision to emigrate from the Soviet Union to the US in Russia might active expressing concern to the chain of command in an official official and private channel would have severe personal professional repercussions guide. I'm sitting here today in the. US Capitol talking to our elected professionals professionals. Talking to our elected professionals is proof that you made the right decision forty years ago to leave the Soviet Union come here to the United States of America in search of a better life for our family. Do not worry I will be fine for telling the truth. There is also news on the twenty twenty election front tonight four days out of course from the New Hampshire primary the latest NBC News Marist poll shows the race narrowing to four main candidates. We'll have more on that later. Meanwhile trump's former Navy secretary Richard Spencer is now endorsing Mike. Bloomberg's bid to keep the president from winning a second term Spencer. Spencer you may recall was fired after he opposed trump's decision to pardon a navy seal who had been charged with war crimes. He's the first trump political appointee needed. Come Out in support of one of his former bosses opponents in the twenty twenty race and today Spencer explain why he is backing Mike Bloomberg we need leadership proven leadership like Mike. We need honesty. We need integrity. He respects opinions He is not the sole I. We have the only answer which is a very dangerous position to be. We will get to our leadoff discussion in just a moment but for the very latest we are joined by telephone with Peter. Baker chief White House correspondent for the New York Times. Peter let's take on Mr Sunland. I he would be forgiven for saying for my million dollars this is what I got now. The inability to have dinner in a restaurant unrecognized and an asterisk next to my time as US ambassador listener to the EU. Well of course Gordon Zahn when the key witnesses in the impeachment hearings back in November. He testified that everybody in ball was taking orders from the president. Everyone was in the loop but of course today he was told he has to give up his post as European Union ambassador. He had been interested in leaving anyway for a few weeks but today they call them that you have to leave today and he didn't WanNa do that on the same day. That Colonel Benjamin had been fired because he didn't look like he was somehow the same simply think purge urge. They said fine then we're basically. They fired him. They according to our people that he was told he had to come back now. as ambassador and he put out a statement in his statement thanking the president for the Opportunity Sir but clearly not The way he wanted to leave his service. Peter is it over or could would this be just the beginning well. I don't think it's over. I you know certainly. The president made very clear in the last two days since quill that he is anxious for payback. He's very angry angry at the people who you consider to be his tormentors He's lashed out at the senators and Congress people and these are only two of the witnesses who have who are still working in the government there are others others who are still in the government. We'll see you see them see any consequences as a result of this. You know it's it's The White House Press Secretary Yourself Steffi Grissom said doc box if the president should should pay for it and I think we're seeing the beginning of that right now. Peter Baker Chief White House correspondent for the New York Times. Thank you for calling in late and lending your reporting to this and now to our leadoff discussion on a Friday night and for that Ashley Parker Pulitzer Prize winning White House. Reporter for for the Washington Post and for Good Measure Carol Lennick investigative reporter for The Washington Post and Co author along with Phil Rucker of the New York Times bestseller a a very stable genius. Donald J trump's testing of America. Good evening and welcome to you. Both on Ashley it was. It's been then said that. The president called for ambassador Yvonna Vich dismissal. Left Parnasse said this in the interview several all times without result. We've heard them on tape saying get her out. Take her out. He was not listened to then but he's being listened to now he he sure is Brian. And that's what we've been chasing this for a while. We're seeing it now. And we are or seen as a president emboldened. He's you know some of his age will say he has the right to have staffers who chooses surrounding him but he made very clear clear in that East Room. Sort of freewheeling not quite speech stream of consciousness that he has a very clear enemies list this is how he ran his business is real estate. The business this is. I always run as government. You're either for him or you're against him you're with us or you're not with us and he has publicly planning on making these people pay. I want to add one more person who has not been purged because he can't be purged but was striking to me. Was Senator Romney sentiment. Romney of course voted The only Republican not not to acquit the president and he's not for reelection for four years but president trump is sort of using romney in addition to these people. He has actually fired. The White House released. He's talking points against him. The president trashed him at a prayer breakfast in the East Room and it is a very clear message that if you are not in lockstep with this president he will come after you publicly and with all the levers of power that he has the differences. Mr Romney who seems comfortable with his life it may not matter to him also so before taking on the Romney name and his home state you best be ready Carolina. What does tonight? What is the last twelve to twenty four hours hours? Expose about the trump White House that you've reported on what's the lesson from it. You know I I. It's chilling to hear the words you know. They will pay a price for what they've done. My Enemies and I couldn't agree more with Ashley about the president's perspective here but remember what is it that Lieutenant Colonel Vin men did What is it that is so criminal about his behavior? He wasn't blindly loyal to the president. What he was blindly loyalty was the constitution and the truth he received a subpoena illegal one? He complied with it. He came forward and he told the truth about his experience. which is that as a career public servant without fear without favor without a desire to be partisan he played his role of listening in on a call with a foreign leader and he was disturbed hearing the president? Basically ask a foreign power to investigate Americans an American citizen and he thought it could be against the law and certainly certainly was improper having someone pay a price for that is is striking but it shows the theme about this presidency. which is you will do what I say in no matter what your role is? The president trump often views these institutions with long histories of being nonpartisan as tools. That he should use news for his own self perpetuation of power to burnish his image. Every politician wants to stay in power. But we don't usually mess with every institution different branches of government and demand. that it served US Ashley. Parker is there any evidence. These personnel moves which. I'm sure we'll be branded some version of the modern day Friday night massacre will republican officeholders. Find them triggering or even worse trouble. Think they may. Chances are that is a sentiment. They will only express in private with certain notable exceptions and that was what was also so striking when you watch the president in the East Room the other day. He was surrounded by Republican lawmakers who were clipped clapping cheering applauding in seeming to revel in the president's behavior and in his enemies list and even in the obscenity that he used in so a lot of lawmakers they are willing still occasionally to criticize him in private behind the scenes but when they look at Mitt Romney they see this is what happens if you are not with the president publicly a lot of them do not want to pay that political price publicly Carolina the political pros that this White House has has working in its political shop. May well be urging the president move on set new sites. The future is ahead of us as you've chronicled as you've written about slights and revenge are things. He lingers upon absolutely Brian. This moment today you know watching the last few hours unfold at the Washington Post reminded me so much about the in two thousand eighteen. Election's you know when the president was hoping that the house would not flip to the Democrats and hoping being that Republicans would stay in control and he also was nursing a grudge a grudge against the attorney. General Jeff Sessions Sion's who had been his first and most loyal supporter his most prominent supporter in in his campaign. The first senator to to jump onto the trump bandwagon and and somebody he crowed about as being the most important I believer in his campaign But he was nursing a grudge about jeff sessions. Doing what was the ethical school choice and also by it by the right choice. Under the Department of Justice guidelines to recuse himself from the Russia investigation with the president was so furious areas and before those elections he wanted to fire sessions his political aides and allies. The Republicans told him. Don't do it there. Consequences don't do it until after the election action and what happened about fifteen minutes after the election which wasn't good for Donald Trump. At least not for the Republican Party. He fired sessions on the spot. Not Today was a lot like that. Acquittal and fifteen minutes later in terms of news cycles lieutenant colonel then men and Sunlen or out and I guess actually were expecting a counterattack bash. Backlash on former Navy secretary. Spencer now I would assume so yes us. This is the sort of thing that gets under the president's skin again. He expects people to be loyal to him and for someone who was a an appointee now now not just criticizing him but going to again not just one of his potential rivals but arrival who really gets under his skin because Mayor Mayor Bloomberg in many ways is the version that trump tries to present an actual self made billionaire He also comes from New York again. He is shown on twitter. The so far at least is impervious to the presence attacks. He likes to go after him. He likes to needle him suit to have this Richard Spencer go enjoin his campaign and support. 'em Is something that the president will be paying close attention to very frustrated by and I would not be surprised if there was some sort of tweet Carol Lennox. WHAT'S THE RE election? Jennifer GonNa look like which of the re election of the president if we're take no prisoners in February. Yes well I mean. The trajectory of this president is if you can believe it increasingly emboldened he every obstacle that he he hurdles everyone that he blows past a criminal investigation that found substantial evidence that he had engaged in obstructing a criminal probe that was looking at him him and his campaign he. He triumphed over that that investigation and not just because he was a sitting president that couldn't be charged. He claimed he was exonerated. And and he convinced a lot of supporters. That that's exactly what he was and now this acquittal after he did as lieutenant colonel vitamin found as he asked a foreign power to get involved in our domestic elections. What Fiona Hill called a domestic political errand? He's triumphed over that as well. Oh and in each moment he has found a new way to shake up the snow globe of Washington a little more briskly and to to challenge what we've used sort sort of the The independence of each of these branches of government. Again back to the idea that everything should be service to Donald Trump and the perpetuation of his power. Our I will add one last thing. Brian which is about the Navy secretary. So many people in the military in the senior Khadr as former and current have great concerns about the president blowing through The code of conduct that the military has and that decision that he had with regard that pressure sure he applied to people with regard to Eddie Gallagher that really was scarring and something that not just Former Secretary Spencer is upset about many many people are disturbed by that in the Pentagon two Pulitzer Prize recipients both from the Washington. Post to start us off on a Friday night at the end of this long week. Ashley Parker Carol Lennick our thanks for being here greatly appreciated coming.

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"carol lennox" Discussed on Post Reports

Post Reports

11:33 min | 5 months ago

"carol lennox" Discussed on Post Reports

"So now that all of this is done what happens now for the trump presidency. I mean for the rest of his term. How're you expecting it to be different than and it might have been well in a way? This is like a turbo charge for president trump because he survived this gauntlet this impeachment proceeding without without having to be removed from office. And therefore he's waking up feeling emboldened and empowered and feels a conviction that everything he does is right. He is at the strongest point politically today that he's been in some time. The Gallup poll has his approval rating at forty percent which is sending shivers through the Spines of Democrats Crafts Around the country there are good feelings in the country about the economy which continues to home along to report to you tonight that our economy is the best I it has ever been. He had a pretty powerful economic message in a state of the Union. Even though a lot of it was exaggerated and he made claims that are not true. Jobs are booming. Income Poverty is plummeting. Crime is falling confidences surging. It was a selling argument. It for reelection and our country is thriving and highly respected again and so we can expect I think the president into continue to to sound teams into seek retaliation against all of those. He felt have wronged him in. It's impeachment process with this acquittal. How is that likely to change the office of the Presidency broadly? It's a good question because the evidence about trump's activity in Ukraine is. There's no dispute dispute about what he did. The evidence is clear the testimony was clear. Trump himself has admitted on camera that he wanted the Ukrainian government to do an investigation into his political political opponent and in fact he called on the Chinese government to do the same so what he did is clear what happened is the Republicans in the Senate made a political calculation about out not removing him from office for it that what he did doesn't amount to an impeachable offense and I spent some time in the last days interviewing historians and they said this is a major watershed moment in our nation's history because the way the founders set up our government setup. Our Constitution was to punish and remove presidents. Who who do exactly what? Donald Trump has been proven to have done with Ukraine. This is a system of checks and balances and what's happened is the legislative branch under Republican. Look in control in the Senate is no longer holding the president accountable they're becoming an instrument to propel his power and perpetuate his power and that's concerning to historians it's concerning to legal experts and it certainly would set a precedent. I would imagine for future presidents who will say look if trump got away with this I can get away with it too and it is just an expansion of that sort of executive power which is troubling to those who study the framers and the Constitution. Do you think I mean with a different president. You know ten years twenty years from now our future executive branches likely to think back to this moment and say I can do this. It's okay I'm not going to get in trouble. You know. They they could and we may not even have to look to future presidents for that. President trump has another ten months seven months in office. He may have another four years beyond that and there's no telling what he might try to do going forward because he's escaped accountability this time in the Russia investigation. You know the Muller Team documented did all of these examples for really proven examples where the president sought to obstruct justice but did not charge him or indict him because he's a sitting president narrow justice assists department guidelines about that. Well the very next day after Robert Mueller testified in Congress about this trump picked up the phone and called the Ukrainian president asking for the favor the political favors so he the conclusion he drew from the Muller Investigation and his lack of any legal punishment in that regard was that he can get away with with what he wants to do. He's the president if he does it so be it and the Republicans in on Capitol Hill or are there to support and protect him. So can you talk us through. How the president's President's own lawyers argued that the Senate basically doesn't have the power to to check the president one of the most striking moments in the president's defense came when one of his lawyers? Alan Dershowitz a noted criminal lawyer you've seen him on. TV for years Came to the floor of the Senate and advanced an argument that a lot of legal experts that said was dubious every public official that I know believes that his election is in the public interest. And mostly right your elections in the public interest. He said if the president does something that will help his reelection therefore is in the best interest of the country and if if a president does something which he believes will help him get elected in the public interest. He cannot be held or rather be impeached for for that action that cannot be the kind of quid pro. Quo that results in impeachment. And so that's a blanket. Excuse use for the president to do what he did with Ukraine but obviously anything else that the president deems to be in the interest of his reelection that is an argument that Dershowitz had to kind of walk back a little bit In in some comments he made the next day and he got a lot of heat from legal scholars who said that's just a completely baloney argument argument with no constitutional grounding but it is indicative. I think of how President Trump himself views his power and views his authority as the president and commander-in-chief founder and chief. Did we see a lot of senators latching onto that argument. A few did Actually the Republican senators of course but a few parroted the Dershowitz line came as a way of defending the president and saying basically he's president he can do whatever he wants for his reelection because getting him reelected is in the best interest of our country. What about the way that? The impeachment trial played out in the Senate. The fact that there were no new documents that there were no witnesses is that likely also to set. Its own kind of precedent for or the way that impeachment is handled in the future. Certainly we've only had an impeachment trial three times in our history and so there's not really a blueprint door protocol. Offer how to go about doing this. And and the Senate leaders along with the chief justice of the Supreme Court to kind of change and adapt the rules as they went along to figure out how this would work mark and the Democrats say this was a complete sham. Trial that Mitch. McConnell designed it from the get-go to move quickly to get to a very fast acquittal to turn the page to save trump into move on with the legislative business not to delve into the details. Not To really scrutinize the evidence. The most surprising thing I think watching the Sahlin fold the last few weeks that John Bolton came forward publicly or at least in the manuscript of his book which leaked out through the media with new information right. He's a first first hand witness to what the president wanted done and Ukraine. He offered to testify before the Senate or at least indicated he would if if asked. Here's somebody who could have come forward to provide a new to account that would have provided new evidence to this case and there was no interest among the Republican majority in the Senate to hear what he had to say. I don't believe the testimony is necessary. The house else managers have a burden of proof a burden of proof to prove their case they had fallen woefully short. We now have allegations from Mr Bolton. I think they would have more credibility if the allegations came from someone else. There is no new information in my opinion based on what John Bolton has known but today in an effort to generate interest in a book have selectively released. Information that that to me doesn't go beyond what we've seen in the seventeen witnesses who've already testify only two. Republican senators voted to allow witnesses. Mitt Romney and and Susan Collins of Maine came to what extent is the Senate giving up the power that they have to oversee the president of provide any kind of check on the president. Give us a sense of the power that's been given up with the smooth you know they've they've been giving up power to this president for three years now in in part because Republicans threat the party live in fear of him. He has such an intensity of support within the Republican base and approval rating among Republicans of eighty to ninety percent and he follows these things very closely and vows to retaliate and shows that he can punish people if they betray him across him. Just ask former Senator Jeff Flake or former senator Bob corker. So there's that fear factor in the Senate and and what they've done to adapt to that is is not to stand up to him not to ever say he's wrong and in turn. They're getting some of their agenda through right. They're getting tax cuts passed. They're getting a lot of conservative. Justices installed hold onto the federal judiciary. They feel like Mitch. McConnell certainly feels like this is an opportunity to advance the conservative agenda but they just need to placate eight trump and played a trump and keep him calm but in so doing they're giving up their power of accountability. And it's certainly not the way that the framers and the founders imagined Dr our system of government working in Democracy Phil Rocker is the White House. Bureau chief for the Post. His new book written with Carol Lennox is called a very stateful genius. Donald J trump's testing of America. It's out in stores now. mm-hmm so in twenty seventeen Asia. Kate Dillon who is a non binary actor showtimes billions wrote a letter to the the enemies essentially saying like why do we have gender categories. You know like I don't identify in the gender binary. So why do we still have these kind of you know the actor and actress categories and the academy. Got Back to me right away and said well actually the rules have always stated that anyone can enter either category for any reason and the academy is certainly not going to you know ask for a birth certificate or do any kind of check. Asia responded essentially saying like they were very responsive. And and you know what. I'm going to pick the actor category because actor is more. You know genderless if you will. Actor is a non gender non sex word from the late fifteen hundreds that applied to anyone of any anatomical sex gender identity so given the two categories actor and actress actor is a non gender non sex word that I used so. That's what I chose. So what happens then. Does this conversation. Stop Oh no not at all. It starts with Asia. You know there's none binary actors that have already been asking this question. People that you know. Have I identify outside of the gender binary that had been asking this question but it hits like mainstream. MTV's move to create agendaless award for acting will mean something different to everyone but to me. It indicates that acting is about the ability to to put yourself in someone else's shoes and that doesn't need to be separated into two different categories. And then you know there's actors asking this question producers directors like like where do they fit until so then that sparks a conversation. That kind of doesn't ever go away for good reason. My Name is Sarah Shamin. I'm an animator on the video team.

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Trump survives impeachment: US president cleared of both charges

Post Reports

09:36 min | 5 months ago

Trump survives impeachment: US president cleared of both charges

"That all of this is done what happens now for the trump presidency. I mean for the rest of his term. How're you expecting it to be different than and it might have been well in a way? This is like a turbo charge for president trump because he survived this gauntlet this impeachment proceeding without without having to be removed from office. And therefore he's waking up feeling emboldened and empowered and feels a conviction that everything he does is right. He is at the strongest point politically today that he's been in some time. The Gallup poll has his approval rating at forty percent which is sending shivers through the Spines of Democrats Crafts Around the country there are good feelings in the country about the economy which continues to home along to report to you tonight that our economy is the best I it has ever been. He had a pretty powerful economic message in a state of the Union. Even though a lot of it was exaggerated and he made claims that are not true. Jobs are booming. Income Poverty is plummeting. Crime is falling confidences surging. It was a selling argument. It for reelection and our country is thriving and highly respected again and so we can expect I think the president into continue to to sound teams into seek retaliation against all of those. He felt have wronged him in. It's impeachment process with this acquittal. How is that likely to change the office of the Presidency broadly? It's a good question because the evidence about trump's activity in Ukraine is. There's no dispute dispute about what he did. The evidence is clear the testimony was clear. Trump himself has admitted on camera that he wanted the Ukrainian government to do an investigation into his political political opponent and in fact he called on the Chinese government to do the same so what he did is clear what happened is the Republicans in the Senate made a political calculation about out not removing him from office for it that what he did doesn't amount to an impeachable offense and I spent some time in the last days interviewing historians and they said this is a major watershed moment in our nation's history because the way the founders set up our government setup. Our Constitution was to punish and remove presidents. Who who do exactly what? Donald Trump has been proven to have done with Ukraine. This is a system of checks and balances and what's happened is the legislative branch under Republican. Look in control in the Senate is no longer holding the president accountable they're becoming an instrument to propel his power and perpetuate his power and that's concerning to historians it's concerning to legal experts and it certainly would set a precedent. I would imagine for future presidents who will say look if trump got away with this I can get away with it too and it is just an expansion of that sort of executive power which is troubling to those who study the framers and the Constitution. Do you think I mean with a different president. You know ten years twenty years from now our future executive branches likely to think back to this moment and say I can do this. It's okay I'm not going to get in trouble. You know. They they could and we may not even have to look to future presidents for that. President trump has another ten months seven months in office. He may have another four years beyond that and there's no telling what he might try to do going forward because he's escaped accountability this time in the Russia investigation. You know the Muller Team documented did all of these examples for really proven examples where the president sought to obstruct justice but did not charge him or indict him because he's a sitting president narrow justice assists department guidelines about that. Well the very next day after Robert Mueller testified in Congress about this trump picked up the phone and called the Ukrainian president asking for the favor the political favors so he the conclusion he drew from the Muller Investigation and his lack of any legal punishment in that regard was that he can get away with with what he wants to do. He's the president if he does it so be it and the Republicans in on Capitol Hill or are there to support and protect him. So can you talk us through. How the president's President's own lawyers argued that the Senate basically doesn't have the power to to check the president one of the most striking moments in the president's defense came when one of his lawyers? Alan Dershowitz a noted criminal lawyer you've seen him on. TV for years Came to the floor of the Senate and advanced an argument that a lot of legal experts that said was dubious every public official that I know believes that his election is in the public interest. And mostly right your elections in the public interest. He said if the president does something that will help his reelection therefore is in the best interest of the country and if if a president does something which he believes will help him get elected in the public interest. He cannot be held or rather be impeached for for that action that cannot be the kind of quid pro. Quo that results in impeachment. And so that's a blanket. Excuse use for the president to do what he did with Ukraine but obviously anything else that the president deems to be in the interest of his reelection that is an argument that Dershowitz had to kind of walk back a little bit In in some comments he made the next day and he got a lot of heat from legal scholars who said that's just a completely baloney argument argument with no constitutional grounding but it is indicative. I think of how President Trump himself views his power and views his authority as the president and commander-in-chief founder and chief. Did we see a lot of senators latching onto that argument. A few did Actually the Republican senators of course but a few parroted the Dershowitz line came as a way of defending the president and saying basically he's president he can do whatever he wants for his reelection because getting him reelected is in the best interest of our country. What about the way that? The impeachment trial played out in the Senate. The fact that there were no new documents that there were no witnesses is that likely also to set. Its own kind of precedent for or the way that impeachment is handled in the future. Certainly we've only had an impeachment trial three times in our history and so there's not really a blueprint door protocol. Offer how to go about doing this. And and the Senate leaders along with the chief justice of the Supreme Court to kind of change and adapt the rules as they went along to figure out how this would work mark and the Democrats say this was a complete sham. Trial that Mitch. McConnell designed it from the get-go to move quickly to get to a very fast acquittal to turn the page to save trump into move on with the legislative business not to delve into the details. Not To really scrutinize the evidence. The most surprising thing I think watching the Sahlin fold the last few weeks that John Bolton came forward publicly or at least in the manuscript of his book which leaked out through the media with new information right. He's a first first hand witness to what the president wanted done and Ukraine. He offered to testify before the Senate or at least indicated he would if if asked. Here's somebody who could have come forward to provide a new to account that would have provided new evidence to this case and there was no interest among the Republican majority in the Senate to hear what he had to say. I don't believe the testimony is necessary. The house else managers have a burden of proof a burden of proof to prove their case they had fallen woefully short. We now have allegations from Mr Bolton. I think they would have more credibility if the allegations came from someone else. There is no new information in my opinion based on what John Bolton has known but today in an effort to generate interest in a book have selectively released. Information that that to me doesn't go beyond what we've seen in the seventeen witnesses who've already testify only two. Republican senators voted to allow witnesses. Mitt Romney and and Susan Collins of Maine came to what extent is the Senate giving up the power that they have to oversee the president of provide any kind of check on the president. Give us a sense of the power that's been given up with the smooth you know they've they've been giving up power to this president for three years now in in part because Republicans threat the party live in fear of him. He has such an intensity of support within the Republican base and approval rating among Republicans of eighty to ninety percent and he follows these things very closely and vows to retaliate and shows that he can punish people if they betray him across him. Just ask former Senator Jeff Flake or former senator Bob corker. So there's that fear factor in the Senate and and what they've done to adapt to that is is not to stand up to him not to ever say he's wrong and in turn. They're getting some of their agenda through right. They're getting tax cuts passed. They're getting a lot of conservative. Justices installed hold onto the federal judiciary. They feel like Mitch. McConnell certainly feels like this is an opportunity to advance the conservative agenda but they just need to placate eight trump and played a trump and keep him calm but in so doing they're giving up their power of accountability. And it's certainly not the way that the framers and the founders imagined Dr our system of government working in Democracy Phil Rocker is the White House. Bureau chief for the Post. His new book written with Carol Lennox is called a very stateful genius. Donald J trump's testing of America. It's out in stores now.

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"carol lennox" Discussed on On Point with Tom Ashbrook | Podcasts

On Point with Tom Ashbrook | Podcasts

06:17 min | 5 months ago

"carol lennox" Discussed on On Point with Tom Ashbrook | Podcasts

"We're talking this hour about president. Donald Trump's strongest week yet. Possibly strong this week yet this week week when on Monday. For example the Iowa Democratic caucuses kind of imploded with a digital debacle. There last night the president gave his State of the Union address. He's very likely to be acquitted by the Senate today in the impeachment trial. So we're talking about what the what this week. SIGNIFICANCE CANS IS FOR DONALD TRUMP's presidency for the nation and for the road ahead to twenty twenty. I'm joined today by Carol Lennox. She's Co author along with Phil Rucker of a very stable genius. Donald J trump's testing of America carols also national investigative reporter for The Washington Post and Carol. I completely understand if you declined to answer the question questioned that I sort of put out there Before the the break about one of the sources of president trump's strength right now being potential weakness amongst the congressional gop. But I'll just put it out there if you want to answer it. I mean surely there are sources. We spoke to who feel that the the Senate and Republicans in particular Taylor have no guts on the other hand. You know others feel that they are doing their level best to strengthen their party and the best ticket to strengthen in their party is sticking with this maestro of the megaphone And he is. I mean we call him a very stable genius because that's that's what he called himself. That's the title of our book. But you know some people you know. Mock him for that choice of words. A lot of our sources don't agree that he's stable all or genius and they work for him However you have to give the Guy Credit? He's a genius at connecting electrically with his supporters. A forgotten disdained part of our of our public who feel left alone and behind ignored by Washington and by both parties really the political elite the establishment. He's the first one who's saying what they want to hear. Like fighting words curse words and locker room talk they. I mean they actually are enjoying that Sad to say they're also in some of them. Were also enjoying his code words for a earlier era when racism and sexism. Were totally copacetic. However keep in mind that those who are questioning actioning this congress and its ability to hold Donald? Trump's feet to the fire are also an amazement. Donald Trump's hold over them. Well so did we. I think we saw that That that skill at play last night in in the president's State of the Union address right I mean there were there were not only what he said and the accomplishments as As he sees as his administration having brought to the country but but there was the The reuniting of the military family there was his honoring of rush limbaugh during the State of the Union address there were the trappings of his his media. Genius there I think at played. Did you see that last night. Oh of course I mean every state of the Union. Let's be clear has it's sort of telegraphing through visual story and through story time in the VIP box The president's message like here's all have accomplished for you. Every president does that. This one had a more of A television quality production quality. The crying very genuinely crying widow. You know like Gosh. And we've seen that before with other presidents The father returning home to his children and his wife from the battlefield. There were a lot of African Americans Sung Out and Latin American Border Security officials sung out as well sort of touching all the parts of a diverse nation. When a lot of diverse communities in this country don't feel Donald Trump is on their side Donald Trump has a real real problem with especially African American voters and is as as described by our paper. You know kind of flummoxed about why More black voters. I don't don't hearkens hammer or cotton to him. Well we on your Your question about the television quality you know there was some moments is that felt a little bit fo as a result You know people looking so surprised and shocked and and thrilled at what was happening That was a little odd but every state of the union is a little bit of a production. Yeah Yeah I think that's exactly the right point. There's always a family that the president no matter who that person is points to right In in the audience there are those applause lines as well but to your point president trump. Does it better than just about anyone that we've seen at the rostrum there in the House. Let's just quickly go to to mark. WHO's calling from Saint Petersburg Florida mark? You're on the air. Hi How are you doing well. Go ahead Well my story as I left the Republican Party two thousand sixteen. I couldn't bring myself vote for trump. I became a libertarian. But in the last three three years I've come into agreeing with a lot of the positions. I don't agree with his Character or the methods sometimes employees. But I think He's got the country headed in the right direction and I find myself unbelievably saying. Hey I'm GonNa vote for this guy Next time and I think a lot of my France feel the same way. Well Mark. Thank you so much for that call because that sets us up to discuss in more detail. What the president said last night in his State of the Union address of Mark? Thank you so. Let's listen to some of the president talking about The accomplishments he sees his administration having brought to the to the nation in the past three years three years.

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"carol lennox" Discussed on On Point with Tom Ashbrook | Podcasts

On Point with Tom Ashbrook | Podcasts

11:51 min | 5 months ago

"carol lennox" Discussed on On Point with Tom Ashbrook | Podcasts

"You are Boston Meghna Chakrabarti and this is on point three years ago president. Donald Trump declared in his inaugural address. This American carnage stops right here and stops us right now. Well last night. In his State of the Union address the president declared our spirit is too young. The Sun is still rising. God's grace is still shining and my fellow Americans the best is yet to come. Thank Uh God bless God bless America. Thank you the best is yet to come well. There may certainly be disagreement over that across. Ross this deeply divided nation right now but certainly president trump may be feeling that the best is yet to come for him. This might be the strongest week of his presidency. NC Yet probable acquitted by the Senate in his impeachment trial unshakable unbreakable unified gop support behind him a democratic debacle in the Iowa caucuses says and his highest approval ratings yet though still not above fifty percent three years ago. Did you think president trump would get to this moment this week. What do you think it means for the road ahead for the nation and the November twenty twenty elections this hour on point the president's best week yet and you can join us? Did you watch the state of the Union address last night night. What stood out to you? What do you think of president? Trump's personal momentum right now does the strength of his Presidency Mirror the strength of the nation at the the moment or is his strength the strength of his presidency simply reflection of Donald trump himself. You can join US anytime online. At on point radio DOT ORG or twitter and facebook spoke at one point radio. Well we'll start today with Carol Lennox. She joins us from New York. She's The Washington Post National Investigative Reporter and Co Author With The Washington Post Phil Rucker as well of a very stable genius. Donald J trump's testing of America. Carol welcome to on point. Thanks for having having me Magna so let let me. Just start off with this question. I'm asking all listeners to Did you expect the president to make it to this point in his presidency. Three years later really kind of writing quite a wave of strength at the moment it was an amazing week for him for sure you know. Oh I wasn't thinking when the presidency began that there would be so many rollicking twists to this roller coaster ride for example. There are no the president's that I know of in history who were under investigation before they even got into the Oval Office and we're Naga rated so everything about this. Presidency has been an unprecedented we over. Use that word as you know. It's everything's been unique. But he has overcome every obstacle that that would have leveled and floored previous president or any politician who would've thought somebody would survive as a candidate When a tape came out live showing that they talked about grabbing women's genitals and bragging about it who would have thought president would survive after a special counsel with such an amazing easing reputation found copious evidence of a president engaged in obstructing a criminal probe of himself and his campaign who would have thought he would survive the evidence that came out in a house investigation that he made a pretty interesting request of a favor for somebody to get involved in a domestic political election for his benefit but donald trump is a master of of many things including his own image and has it has triumphed just went through what almost felt like a dozen thoughts right and and yet sorry about that? Uh I mean it's a recounting of our recent history of ineffectual. One at that and yet here we are and part of the maybe part of the answer to the WHO would have thought came. I you think right. At the beginning of the President's State of the Union address last night where he had barely begun speaking and we heard from Republican members of Congress that the chant of four more years four more years. Well a chant of four more years is not unusual party is always going to rally behind their standard-bearer and this party is rallying behind president trump. The thing that shocks a lot of Americans is that Republicans are rallying behind someone. Who's done and said things things so anathema to Republican Philosophy You know Republicans were the. The leaders in in declaring bearing that Russia was at a terrifying adversary that we had to do something serious about Republicans have often been chanting about interference in democracy From foreign powers and yet in this instance we have donald trump as a candidate. It saying Russia if you're listening almost enlisting their help in this case we have The president insisting that he doesn't believe Vladimir Putin is a bad ad guy or is trying to hurt us and denying the evidence the copious evidence from his intelligence community That's quite the contrary to what his got tells him Now you know the the subtitle of Your Book Is Donald. J trump's testing of America. I wonder given all that has happened in the past three years and the fact that this is an incredibly strong week for for the president himself. what's your thought about. How America is responding to the test? The test of the trump presidency. You know there's so many different institutions and how they are responding That should give us pause and also cheer. I suppose I'm a reporter. All I do is report. Facts along with my co author Phil Rucker. But if if what you're thinking about is a history lesson of the pillars of democracy and our nation security that we can all go to bed at a night feeling safe about waking up the next morning you know. It looked like an impulsive decision by the president to execute the number two in Iran Might have brought down a world of pain but there were institutions within the Defense Department that tried to temper that and tried to find a way to make sure. I'm sure the State Department to to make sure that we didn't get into a full blown war. So that's heartening The the pause part is that people that we interviewed for the book very stateful genius told us over and over again and and again keep in mind magna these are people who are Republicans who who signed on to advise the president. They told us over and over again. How distraught they are about what they view view as the president's ability to lower the bar for what a president can do is willing to do to attack our justice just department and view it as a political tool of his own and for his own benefit? That's not the Justice Department of the United States. It's not a partisan entity it's it's got blinds over its is but you know. He visit his his There are people within this administration and people who have recently served the president who fear the way in which he has been able to attack and retaliate against people who speak truth so when intelligence community officials tell him over and over again you know these are adversaries this is what's going on North Korea. Here's how Vladimir Putin is trying to explode our weakness weakness. Here the president rejects that and not only rejects. It attacks people who give them that information. That's worrisome to people inside because they say okay so you don't want the facts them will keep a safe. You WanNa have facts tailored to your world view. That is a fear some I'm sorry of fearful thing and there is so carol. Help me understand something I mean as you said you your your reporter. You're seeking out the facts and talking directly with people in possession of those facts within the administration internally if if there is indeed and I gather that there is this a high level of concern externally and just keep reflecting back on this week the external metrics of Donald Trump's presidency. He seems unstoppable He unstoppable may not be the right word but he has so much so much support from a congressional Republicans he does have his highest approval ratings yet not above fifty percent but highest of his presidency so far in his speech last night he went through a whole list of accomplishments that he sees his his presidency and his administration as having brought about so so maybe across the nation. There are all these ways to measure the effectiveness or the impact of Donald Trump's presidency. And there seems to be sort of parallel universes versus between that and all the concerns that you're telling telling us that people internal to the administration have how is that. Divide being persisting okay. You're GonNa not like this answer. I suppose but I mean there is a element of fear of Donald Trump in a lot of these corners. I can speak of the people that I interviewed and Phil and I interviewed together. There they have some significant palpable fear. About what the president could do to them professionally personally. Based on the way he takes to twitter you know think of how he went after Lieutenant. Colonel Alexander vind man. This is the purple heart recipient Iraq war veteran and national security advisor. WHO's basically like a mid level guy working the National Security Council and he's an expert on Ukraine? And what is he guilty of. He's guilty of responding to illegal subpoena agreeing to testify in the house impeachment inquiry and sharing. Honestly what he experienced when he listened in on this call between President Trump and presidents alinsky president trump trump went after vin. Men calling him never-trumper calling him a lot of names to the degree that the military started to assess whether or not they needed to move. move the lieutenant colonel and his wife and his brother and sister-in-law to a military be based for their own protection. That's just physical security. There's professional national humiliation. There are a lot of people with that anxiety now. Transfer that to Republicans in Congress in their home states. This president is is popular in their districts. This guy all he has to do is flip a switch and say don't go with a candidate B. because he's not loyal to me and they're over there toast so that is part of what's going on here you hear grousing behind the scenes among Republicans on the hill all the time. But are they going to do it publicly. I doubt it. So the question of the sources to this the strongest week yet for the president the answer might be weakness in the in congressional Republicans. Okay I'll just let that question hang in the air for a moment while we have to take a break. Carolina Co author with.

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"carol lennox" Discussed on MSNBC Rachel Maddow (audio)

MSNBC Rachel Maddow (audio)

11:16 min | 5 months ago

"carol lennox" Discussed on MSNBC Rachel Maddow (audio)

"In the spring of two thousand seventeen as AIDS gathered in the Oval Office. One day to brief president trump upcoming meetings with foreign leaders. They made a passing reference to some foreign government officials who were under scrutiny for corruption for taking bribes trump perked up at the mention of bribes vibes and got rather agitated. He then told Secretary of state REX Tillerson. He wanted him to help. Get rid of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act quote. It is just so unfair. Unfair that American companies are not allowed to pay bribes to get business overseas. Trump told the group. We are going to change that looking at tillerson trump said I. I need you to get rid of that law as if the secretary of state had the power to magically repeal an act of Congress surprised at trump's request tillerson I paused then found his words Mr President and he said I'm not the guy to do that in a somber kind of schoolhouse rock episode that had become a regular feature of the Oval Office. Education of this president. Tillerson then said that Congress would have to be involved in any such repeal of the law. Trump didn't miss a beat. He was unmoved by Tillerson's explanation and turned instead to Stephen Miller. White houses senior policy adviser who had long before proved that he could be relied upon to dutifully execute. Almost all of the president's wishes. Stephen I want you to draft an executive order in repeal that law trump decreed evidently still unaware or unconvinced that he alone did not have the power is to repeal the foreign corrupt practices. ACT remarkable timing right for Philip Rucker and Carol Lennox new book including that reporting to be released tomorrow on the actual day. The president is going on trial in the United States Senate for his own alleged shakedown of a foreign leader. The defense which is that he was trying to kyw bash foreign corruption. And that's all he meant. Carolina and Philip Rucker are Pulitzer Prize winning reporters at the Washington Post. The new book is called a very stable genius. DONALD DONALD J trump's testing of America. Karel Filip congratulations. Thank you very much racial. It's a big deal to have you guys here the night before this comes out the president isn't it appears to be quite enraged at both of you and with the reporting in the book has has he taken substantive issue with what you have reported or is he just insulting eighteen you. He's largely saying that we're low profile low rate reporters. It's part of the fake news that he has to battle with all the time breath. Of course as you know Phil and I both put a ton vetting and rigorous reporting into this book and we're confident that it's accurate and we stand hi. It's there's no factual rebuttal that you had to contend with. It's just as anger. It's his anger and his reaction to the book itself to the title. Perhaps we don't know what motivates him but we know what motivated in the morning two hundred trump administration officials and other advisers to the president who spoke to us some of them for the first time so three years of reporting more than two hundred sources. As you say some sources speaking to you for the first time tell me about the range of motivation for these sources. Obviously with many people. There's a lot of different human stories behind what they're doing. Some of what people told you though is I mean stuck with me having read four hundred pages of the book. I'm still stuck with some stuff that was set on on page five A senior national security official told us. I've served the man for two years. I think he's a long term and immediate danger to the country. Another senior administration officials said that guy is completely crazy. The story of trump colon a president with horrible instincts and senior level cabinet playing whack. A Mole I mean. That stuff stuff isn't funny. That sticks with me people were telling you very grave fire alarm kind of things absolutely stunned us to as has reporters for the Washington Post Phil and I were in the business of getting this information in putting it in the newspaper but at the time a lot of these people wouldn't come forward and speak and you ask the perfect question about motivations. There's a range of motivations but one of them was people wanted history. To be accurate. There are a lot of national security people here who don't talk to reporters as part of their business. They wanted this truth to be told about their experience. With Donald Trump there were others. Who came to us and didn't WANNA give their names? Obviously there are a lot of anonymous sources in this book and they were afraid of the treatment and the belittlement that the president has shown he's capable of on twitter using that platform to to retaliate against anybody who speaks the truth but that was part of the long excerpts that I read just a few minutes ago part of the reason I wanted to tell that is because I do feel like. It's that's not faded into the background. It's just become part of the context of this administration that people who have spoken out against the president or have spoken truth to power in a way that has proved a a tremendous to him have idle threat. They have had their careers destroyed. They have been personally targeted. They have found themselves feeling like they're in physical danger from the president's supporters orders that over the course of the three years it took you to write this and that you guys have been reporting. This has not had a chilling effect in terms of people being willing to talk with or without their names attached to their comments. It certainly has Rachel. That's why you don't see very many of these officials talking on the record in newspaper stories. They're not coming on TV. They're not talking to a lot of reporters except for the ones that they trust. And it's because the president is so fixated on perpetuating his own power on brandishing his own self off image on establishing loyalty not to the country but to himself loyalty to himself throughout the federal government. those have been the the main themes of this presidency presidency. According to the people who've worked for him talk to us for this book and it's one of the reasons why we've seen this chilling affect In the government I would also put again just from reading the book book and maybe even a starker cast on it just feels like revenge has become a number one top tier priority that even when and the destruction of a critic isn't going to be of additional benefit to the president. Somebody's life getting not much worse. Somebody's career being that much for shortened isn't going to cause awesome additional material benefit. There is a it would appear that there's an affirmative value-based placed on the idea of revenge and on making an example of the harm caused. One's enemies is that fair. I feel like Phil and I are journalists. We can't get inside someone's head and tell you what Donald Trump's motivations are but the one thing we can tell you is what the more than two hundred people told us. A large portion of the Middle East which is that the perpetuation of his power and his and his ego his the perpetuation of a glorious Self Image is paramount to donald trump. So everything he does is about making sure he looks good and that it is often the first thing on the on order of business in the White House above a lot of national security interests above a lot of the basic interests of what's best for the country. I want to take a quick break when we come back to talk about. What is obviously the grand conspiracy here the way that you guys arranged for the impeachment trial to start on the day the billets? Obviously I'm kidding hitting but the timing is remarkable. I WanNa talk about some of that. When we come back Philip Rucker and Carolina again both Pulitzer Prize winning reporters? They are the authors of a very stable genius which comes out tomorrow off the right back with him after the stewardess. Hey It's Chris as you know sometimes it's good to just take a step back from the day-to-day onslaught of news and take our broader. Look at the issues. That's what I'm doing each week. My podcast why is this happening. Were exploring topics ranging from school segregation to climate change. Well the way that I think of it is climate change will be to the twentieth century. What modernity was the nineteenth century? It'll be the central subject of questions about economic justice. Everything you care about in the world will be affected by climate and digging deep with guests uniquely qualified to analyze issues from mass incarceration to race relations as you know for the first time in our history at the national level whites are on the verge of losing their majority status in twenty years. And I think it's no coincidence that our politics are getting more tribal. Join me for. Why is this happening? New episodes every Tuesday. Wherever you get your podcast all castes? Back once again with Carolina and Philip Rucker from the Washington Post both Pulitzer Prize winners. They are the CO authors of a new book called a very stateful genius. Donald J trump's testing of America. Which is out tomorrow? There's a number of instances in the book some of which have had a lot of attention national radio and reviews of the book about the president's having sort of demonstrated ignorance about important and embarrassing things not knowing that China borders India and then suggesting his much to the Indian Prime Minister for example not understanding the basics of the Pearl Harbor attack Like the very basics of the Pearl Harbor attack and some other things that are just very hard to imagine from anybody in national life let alone the presidency but I want to ask about something that is maybe a little more specific and related related to the impeachment. You do document that the president was trying to get rid of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act. That's the law passed in nineteen seventy seven which says that Americans can't bribe foreign officials and other countries in order to get stuff done when he suggested that to a room full of people including rex. Tillerson Stephen Miller. He obviously didn't get what he wanted. They didn't try to get rid of it. Why is that not surfacing until now who sat on that for for a couple of years until you guys could publish it? Now I'm not asking for your source but that's a remarkable thing for nobody said anything about one of the amazing things about this reporting again. Rachel is from my perspective if we were working our tails off as reporters at the post and people started to basically crack if you will when they knew we were going to be digging deep into some of these scenes and also when they knew it was going to be a tome for history and they wanted to share this and there are a lot of flies on the wall. There are a lot of people that are briefed. After the fact you know we don't want to identify any sources but there were people who were afraid to tell us and then ultimately did the title is an allusion is is a quote of the president calling himself a very stateful genius. It's also It's also a feat of irony because the portrait that you portray. The president is neither genius nor more stable. I wondered if an all the sources that you talk to when you went to the White House for common. I know it won't point you thought you might get president trump to do. Our interview agree to initially and then withdrew on what grounds. He initially agreed early in the reporting for this book to do an interview with us and then as we were finishing the project we kept trying to get it scheduled and we're told through his aides that he decided not to talk to us. He didn't want to share his memories of these events. We wish we could have included his perspective but he did an offer that to us when you were seeking his comment when you were seeking White House comment on all of these all of these vignettes that you describe. Did you ever get effectively. exculpatory evidence about the president's instability or genius. was there anybody who works closely with him and his position to know who could tell you more reassuring portrait about his mental state absolutely. There were people we interviewed who give Donald Trump immense credit. And we do in the book as well We're not trying to mock him with this title by the way we're trying to hold it up as a mirror..

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"carol lennox" Discussed on MSNBC Rachel Maddow (audio)

MSNBC Rachel Maddow (audio)

07:57 min | 5 months ago

"carol lennox" Discussed on MSNBC Rachel Maddow (audio)

"Timeframe here is August twenty? Eighteen president president trump has just announced that he's going to strip the security clearance from former. CIA Director John Brennan. Well here is part of the response to that in detail. Hold that we have never known before this quote too many professionals in the national security community. This extraordinary action crossed a red line. Among those shocked was as William mcraven former Navy admiral had been a commander of the US Joint Special Operations Command and had led the two thousand eleven raid on Pakistani compound that killed Osama bin Laden the al-Qaeda terrorist mastermind of nine eleven mcraven had considered Brennan trusted friend and critical partner in that unique mission. Now mcraven was enjoying his semi-retirement visiting visiting a friend in the Colorado mountains when he heard the news that trump was revoking Brennan security clearance. The next day August sixteenth mcraven had plans to go fly fishing and a beautiful river valley but he felt an urge duty even to speak out. In Brennan's defense mcraven had spotty cell reception and no wireless connection of sending sending an email was not an option yes his host if he could use the landline at his home i. He gathered his thoughts and scribbled a few phrases on a piece of paper. Then he called the cell phone of a reporter he knew and trusted as a child. GROWING UP IN SAN ANTONIO mcraven had been in the same fifth grade class as Karen Tumelty who had become a distinguished is political correspondent for the Washington Post and had recently moved to the opinion section as a columnist mcraven. Figured he would give her an on the record quote she could share with whichever post colleague was writing about. The Brennan Controversy. Tumblety was heading to a doctor's appointment when the admiral dialed she didn't recognize the Colorado number so she left the call. Go to voicemail. Not sure when when he be able to call her back later mcraven decided to speak allowed into the voice mail. Message saying what he would tell trump directly if he had the chance Lance Harris. What I've come up with? He said do whatever you want to with it Karen. Then he dictated his comment verbatim former CIA director. John Brennan Security Clearance revoked on Wednesday is one of the finest public servants. I've ever known. Few Americans have done more to protect this country than John. He's a man of unparalleled integrity. whose is honesty and character have never been in question except by those who don't know him therefore I would consider it an honor if you would revoke my security clearance as well so I can add? Add My name to the list of men and women who have spoken up against your presidency like most Americans. I had hoped that when you became president you'd rise to the occasion and become the leader of this great nation needs. A good leader tries to embody the best qualities of his or her organization. A good leader sets the example for others to follow a good leader always puts the welfare of others before himself all for herself. Your leadership however has shown little of these qualities through your actions. You have embarrassed us in the eyes of our children humiliated us on the world stage and worst of all divided us as a nation. If you think for a moment that you're McCarthy era tactics suppress the voices of criticism. You are sadly mistaken. The criticism will continue until you become the leader. We prayed you would be waiting in the reception area to see her doctor. Tumbled played the mystery caller voicemail. She was stunned by what she heard. She called mcraven back but only talk briefly to him because he was finally heading getting out to go fish. She told him she felt sure. The Post would publish some of his reaction. mcraven said he'd be out of pocket for a while but he trusted her to handle it. They hung up up as Tumelty sat in the waiting. Room transcribing mcraven voicemail recording. She felt certain it deserved more than a few quotes in a news story and national military here had called the president president. A national embarrassment and a poor role model for America's children she consulted with our editors and they agreed they should publish mcraven impromptu speech word for word. As an opinion piece grave essay went viral it drew notice deep in the bowels of the country's natural national security apparatus where public servants working many rungs below Carribean had been silently disgusted watching trump disrespect them in their brethren took private comfort reading the Craven's words as one of those low level cogs described it. Finally somebody revered a bold face. Name was declaring an essence no more before trump. This government had always felt the presidency had a kind of magic. No matter which party the president came from. He bore the weight of history on his shoulders with the seriousness. It deserved but not anymore. The Sade set of president trump quote. He ruined wind that magic the disdain. He shows for our country's foundation and its principles the disregard. He has for right and wrong. Your fist punches. Your teeth great. The hair goes up on in the back of your neck. After remind myself I set an oath to document in the National Archives. I swore to the Constitution. I didn't swear an oath to this jackass. This aid saw trump's move against Brennan is one of the first steps of undercutting America's democratic system of government and the belief system upon which it was founded quote if he wanted into. How far could he push this? The aid asked look back to people in the nineteen thirties in Germany. No when the government started to turn on them. Most Americans are more worried about. Who's going to win on America's got talent and let the traffic is going to be like on I ninety five? They are watching this closely. I like to believe trump is to self engrossed. Too incompetent attention disorganized to get us to nineteen thirty. Say it added but he has moved the bar and another president that comes after him can move it a little farther. The time is coming. Our nation will be tested. Every nation is Rome fell remember. He is opening up vulnerabilities for this to happen. That is my fear from a very stable genius. Donald J trump's testing of America by Philip Rucker and Carol Carol Lennick who who are both Pulitzer Prize winning reporters at the Washington Post. This book comes out tomorrow and I have to say the number scoops and previously unreported behind the scenes details is here is really remarkable just as an example they go from that story. I just excerpted there to what happened later on that same week when on the same same day. The president's personal lawyer Michael Cohen pled guilty and the President's campaign chairman Paul Manafort was convicted of multiple felonies and on that same day president trump. Nevertheless I spent the day on the phone calling Japan trying to get the Japanese prime minister to nominate him for the Nobel Peace Prize. The same day Coen pled guilty and Manafort was convicted now. Of course Philip Rucker and Carol Lennox Book is being published. Tomorrow it is. They couldn't have known the first day. A of president. Trump's impeachment trial. I will say one of the only defenses the White House and Republicans in Congress have mounted against the factual record of the case against the president. President was that president trump may be wasn't pressuring Ukraine to help himself politically or hurt his political rival one of the arguments. The White House and Republicans in Congress have advances. This is that the president was only pressuring Ukraine because he's just very concerned about foreign corruption. That really bothers him very heartfelt concern for him. One of the other things that Philip Rucker and Carolina Document for the first time in this book is that President Trump explicitly proposed and tried to get get rid of the US law that bans Americans from paying bribes to foreign officials in foreign countries. Yeah I mean for President very concerned about foreign corruption. That's a strange thing to have. A president literally tried to legalize American participation in foreign corruption. The but for that reporting to be published on the day he's going on trial. Carolina and Philip Join US live here on set next with us. Hem.

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"carol lennox" Discussed on The 11th Hour with Brian Williams

The 11th Hour with Brian Williams

14:20 min | 10 months ago

"carol lennox" Discussed on The 11th Hour with Brian Williams

"Responsibilities as an intelligence community professional and you make a complaint about that either to the congressional committees or to the inspector general you cannot be retaliated against. You can't be fired. You can't be prosecuted and so we have an individual a very courageous individual in our country tonight who clearly observed wrongdoing in abusive use of authority possible unethical or even illegal acts as reported by the Washington Post and others at the White House possibly involving the presidentials the president's percents phone calls with foreign leaders about Ukraine and that individual has come forward and it's been separately investigated by the Inspector General of the intelligence eligible community and determined to be credible and determined to be urgent and determined to be necessary to report to the congressional intelligence committees and what we see now emerging is a massive cover-up effort by the White House and the Department of Justice to prevent the facts from coming to light Phil Rucker no surprise really no comment tonight tonight from the trump campaign tossed it over the White House and said this is a White House matter but your reporting is something else entirely. What are you hearing. What tea leaves leaves. Are you reading that might show that they're worried about this. Well at the moment Brian. I think the fact that there is virtual silence from the White House on this tonight. Shows you the concern. They're proceeding with caution. The staff is that is to try to figure out exactly what is going on here. We have heard from the president and a tweet this it's morning and he's effectively telling the American people that he would only do what is right and a phone call with foreign leaders. Of course it's not the president's job to determine what's right and what's wrong. He also said it would be incredibly dumb for somebody to surmise that he might say something inappropriate on a call with the foreign leader because other people are listening coming but we should remind all of viewers that it was president trump back in the beginning of his presidency in the spring of twenty seventeen who shared classified intelligence since information with the Russian diplomats in the open of the Oval Office in front of other American officials in that at that moment was shocking occurrence and so there's a pattern to his behavior if in fact what this whistle blower is alleging is actually True Carolina you've had to do much more complicated acts of of journalism than what I'm GonNa ask you to do now but I need you to explain for our viewers the background of a tweet from Connecticut Democratic Senator Chris Murphy he writes a few weeks ago in Ukraine. I met with presidents Alinsky and we discussed the surprise cutoff of aid and the inappropriate appropriate demands that trump campaign was making of him the obvious question everyone in Kiev was asking was were the two things connected Carol remind our audience what this this aid is we keep mentioning the congress the US Congress had had approved two hundred and fifty million dollars in military style aid for the Ukraine government to protect itself from largely what they use it for is to protect themselves from Russian aggression the president had held that money hostage basically decide blocking it from being released it's all roughly in the same time time that he was stressing to the Leninsky that they could improve their relationship with the US if they would complete some of their anti corruption investigations best to Gatien's as I mentioned earlier Brian this also comes in that July timeframe which is right after the president speaks with Celeski the president the Ukraine Rudy Giuliani then meets as a private citizen who also happens to be the president's lawyer but not a government official meets with an aide to Alinsky to talk about these investigations and that aid is Alinsky remarks with some concern that he is not sure who exactly Rudy Giuliani Johnny is representing the idea that all these things converge at the same time a president withholding congressionally approved funds from foreign government to protect protected so from our own adversary and its adversary pressure to improve the relationship with the Ukraine by completing investigations friends and then a couple of days later the president's own personal attorney and ally meeting with a Ukrainian aid to discuss those probes. It's sort out of worrisome. How all of those things aren't connected? How could they not be connected and let's just underscore something. Carolina just said and that is a Rudy Giuliani is a lot of things and was a lot of things he is not a federal employee. He is not a White House aide. He is not the president's attorney. He is Donald Trump's personal attorney attorney. That's going to end up being important here. We have a lot more questions. Our guests have agreed to stay with us over the break coming up the challenges that challenges rather that whistle blowers lower face when they attempt to come forward like this and hold some of the most powerful people in the world accountable and then later the tax returns trump up has refused to release the tax returns. He's gone to great pains not to reveal the fight to get those returns getting a bit closer to Donald Trump as the eleventh hour or is just getting started on this busy Thursday night. HEY MSNBC listeners. It's me Chuck Rosenberg this week on the oath. I sit down with retired four star. Navy Admiral William mcraven Bill mcraven was the commander of the United States Special Operations Command and the longest serving navy seal in American history similar to Iraq semi to Afghanistan semi to Somalia to North Africa. Send me where the nation needs me just send me bill mcraven was involved in planning and implementing the most important operations in US special forces history including the killing of Osama bin Laden and the capture sure of Saddam Hussein the fact that matters you have got to allow the guys on the ground to make the decisions when the time comes when the opportunity presents itself please join me for my conversation with retired. Arid Navy Four Star Admiral William mcraven available now wherever you get your podcasts we're we're back and quickly to the breaking news reporting yet again tonight. Washington Post is up front on this story reporting that a complaint about President trump from this yet unknown whistle so blower inside the administration involves a promise made to the nation of Ukraine the complaint according to the post centering on trump's communications with a foreign leader later. The complaint was made August twelve and B. C. News has compiled a list of the president's phone calls known to us and has so far confirmed that he spoke with at at least nine different world leaders during this relevant time period including a call with Ukraine's president indeed there on July twenty fifth one with Putin July thirty first also we should note that on August fifteenth former Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats and his chief deputy the veteran sue Gordon left left the administration still with US Carol Lennox Phil Rucker Jeremy Bash as is frequently the case. I have more questions for our guests than time. Allowed so Carolina's Lennick here goes Congress truly does not seem to know and if the law works. They're not supposed to know the identity of this whistle blower. Do you get that same feeling about the White House. Oh deep breath. I would just say that we don't know for certain Brian. Here's one thing I wanNA say about the whistle blower however this person's in a bit of a bind agree with Jeremy Very brave person to put their neck out like like this and some intelligence operatives have essentially said this is a career defining moment you're skiing off the edge of a mountain and and there may be no turning back it. It seems like it is definitely within the houses ability to know exactly who this is. This whistleblower has some advocates in the in the Inspector General the Inspector General has basically sent a letter saying you know we'd like to send this whistle blower to you directly Congress if we're not allowed to tell you what this complaint is about out and that that may be something that's going on behind the scenes right now discussion about whether or not this whistleblower can come forward with their own complaints and figure this out with the committees right now at this moment the acting director of National Intelligence has not given any approval for that but that is one option for this whistle blower Jeremy Bash another aspect of whistleblower law there was rudy tonight on CNN speculating this was a Democrat holdover deep inside the administration used the phrase deep state again as everyone was expecting is he allowed to talk about whistle blowers that that way is there not some equivalent of witness intimidation in these cases while I think clearly they want to silence anybody who sees wrongdoing by the president azan or by somebody at the White House they want to silence that person they want to cover things up but I'd like to see the leadership of the National Intelligence Director off director's his office have at least as much courage bravery as this whistleblower one of their subordinates usually in military or intelligence organization you want the leader to have as much bravery and courage as one of the troops that they command so we need to see that leadership from the from the community from the community head Joe McGuire but we also need need to see the Justice Department and the White House step aside and let the law play out. I do want to emphasize what Carol emphasize earlier. which is that if you look at the July twenty fifth phone phone call between trump and Zalewski this is really potentially about a holding out the prospect that we would withhold military assistance from Ukraine Ukraine unless unless the Ukraine investigate Joe Biden who of course trump believes is the most direct threat to his reelection? That's what this is about this is this is the two thousand sixteen campaign all over again except this time trump is president. He's got military aid to hold as a weapon to achieve his objective okay Phil Rucker. Obviously an unsaid part of this is that there may be more there may be more individuals like this this our mutual colleague. Nicole Wallace reported after talking with two veterans of the Intel business that they keep noting. Here's another their phone call from inside the House saying the house is on fire and I am guessing fill the White House may be bracing for the fact doc that there could be more yet Bryan. They're always could be more with this. President and it's one of the main reason for that frankly is his lack of discipline in in his interactions with foreign leaders. This is not a president who reads from notes or who follow a script he sort of free wheels these conversations he thinks that makes makes him an effective leader and negotiator when he's going head to head face to face or you know the handset handset with a counterpart around the world but the problem according to people in the White House is that he he will oftentimes say things he's not exactly prepared to say or doesn't fully appreciate the ramifications of those comments we saw it very early on in the administration with that pretty raucous phone call he had with the then Australian Prime Minister the contents of which were reported soon thereafter in Washington Post and created a real diplomatic problem for the administration there could be many other instances of this and one other thing to keep in mind minded about the whistle blower and his or her say right now. This is an administration that has gone to extreme lengths to try to silence people who from the inside we'll try to tell the truth they investigate and try to rat out sources two journalists they try to withhold information from being sent to Congress they try to block testimony to the oversight committees in Congress and so you can expect that president trump also his top aides in the White House are going to do everything they can to find who this whistle blower and and punish this person or multiple people. If there's another occurrence hey gang we asked a lot of you tonight because we're covering this breaking news in real time it's all the fall of the Washington Post but our thanks go to Carol Lennick to Phil Rucker to Jeremy Bash for rolling with all of it. We greatly appreciate it coming up for US tonight a former. FBI This is special agent weighs in on just what we're talking about tonight what this means to the intelligence community when we come back this whistle blower is under what I can only imagine must be the most intense pressure because on the one hand there is this terrifying element called the espionage act and if you violated by sharing anything that is truly sensitive and endangers our national security. Iran world trouble the new reporting tonight that a presidential conversation involving Ukraine alarmed an intelligence official enough for that official to kick it up. The chain Clint Watts former. FBI VI special agent is here with us. He's also happens to be a distinguished research fellow at the Foreign Policy Research Institute and also happens to be the author of messing with the enemy surviving in a social media world of hackers terrorists Russians and fake news so we thought we would have you here and ask you is a whistleblower whistleblower considered the last line of defense would be would be seen as that way and particularly. I think in this circumstance if you look back what did we you just get done with two Plus Years Muller investigation where people were scrutinized publicly were brought out to Capitol Hill brought to so the Muller Committee questioned interrogated spilled out onto twitter so to make this decision to be very high level intelligence officer in.

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Whistleblower complaint about President Trump involves Ukraine

The 11th Hour with Brian Williams

07:59 min | 10 months ago

Whistleblower complaint about President Trump involves Ukraine

"Quickly to the breaking news reporting yet again tonight. Washington Post is up front on this story reporting that a complaint about President trump from this yet unknown whistle so blower inside the administration involves a promise made to the nation of Ukraine the complaint according to the post centering on trump's communications with a foreign leader later. The complaint was made August twelve and B. C. News has compiled a list of the president's phone calls known to us and has so far confirmed that he spoke with at at least nine different world leaders during this relevant time period including a call with Ukraine's president indeed there on July twenty fifth one with Putin July thirty first also we should note that on August fifteenth former Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats and his chief deputy the veteran sue Gordon left left the administration still with US Carol Lennox Phil Rucker Jeremy Bash as is frequently the case. I have more questions for our guests than time. Allowed so Carolina's Lennick here goes Congress truly does not seem to know and if the law works. They're not supposed to know the identity of this whistle blower. Do you get that same feeling about the White House. Oh deep breath. I would just say that we don't know for certain Brian. Here's one thing I wanNA say about the whistle blower however this person's in a bit of a bind agree with Jeremy Very brave person to put their neck out like like this and some intelligence operatives have essentially said this is a career defining moment you're skiing off the edge of a mountain and and there may be no turning back it. It seems like it is definitely within the houses ability to know exactly who this is. This whistleblower has some advocates in the in the Inspector General the Inspector General has basically sent a letter saying you know we'd like to send this whistle blower to you directly Congress if we're not allowed to tell you what this complaint is about out and that that may be something that's going on behind the scenes right now discussion about whether or not this whistleblower can come forward with their own complaints and figure this out with the committees right now at this moment the acting director of National Intelligence has not given any approval for that but that is one option for this whistle blower Jeremy Bash another aspect of whistleblower law there was rudy tonight on CNN speculating this was a Democrat holdover deep inside the administration used the phrase deep state again as everyone was expecting is he allowed to talk about whistle blowers that that way is there not some equivalent of witness intimidation in these cases while I think clearly they want to silence anybody who sees wrongdoing by the president azan or by somebody at the White House they want to silence that person they want to cover things up but I'd like to see the leadership of the National Intelligence Director off director's his office have at least as much courage bravery as this whistleblower one of their subordinates usually in military or intelligence organization you want the leader to have as much bravery and courage as one of the troops that they command so we need to see that leadership from the from the community from the community head Joe McGuire but we also need need to see the Justice Department and the White House step aside and let the law play out. I do want to emphasize what Carol emphasize earlier. which is that if you look at the July twenty fifth phone phone call between trump and Zalewski this is really potentially about a holding out the prospect that we would withhold military assistance from Ukraine Ukraine unless unless the Ukraine investigate Joe Biden who of course trump believes is the most direct threat to his reelection? That's what this is about this is this is the two thousand sixteen campaign all over again except this time trump is president. He's got military aid to hold as a weapon to achieve his objective okay Phil Rucker. Obviously an unsaid part of this is that there may be more there may be more individuals like this this our mutual colleague. Nicole Wallace reported after talking with two veterans of the Intel business that they keep noting. Here's another their phone call from inside the House saying the house is on fire and I am guessing fill the White House may be bracing for the fact doc that there could be more yet Bryan. They're always could be more with this. President and it's one of the main reason for that frankly is his lack of discipline in in his interactions with foreign leaders. This is not a president who reads from notes or who follow a script he sort of free wheels these conversations he thinks that makes makes him an effective leader and negotiator when he's going head to head face to face or you know the handset handset with a counterpart around the world but the problem according to people in the White House is that he he will oftentimes say things he's not exactly prepared to say or doesn't fully appreciate the ramifications of those comments we saw it very early on in the administration with that pretty raucous phone call he had with the then Australian Prime Minister the contents of which were reported soon thereafter in Washington Post and created a real diplomatic problem for the administration there could be many other instances of this and one other thing to keep in mind minded about the whistle blower and his or her say right now. This is an administration that has gone to extreme lengths to try to silence people who from the inside we'll try to tell the truth they investigate and try to rat out sources two journalists they try to withhold information from being sent to Congress they try to block testimony to the oversight committees in Congress and so you can expect that president trump also his top aides in the White House are going to do everything they can to find who this whistle blower and and punish this person or multiple people. If there's another occurrence hey gang we asked a lot of you tonight because we're covering this breaking news in real time it's all the fall of the Washington Post but our thanks go to Carol Lennick to Phil Rucker to Jeremy Bash for rolling with all of it. We greatly appreciate it coming up for US tonight a former. FBI This is special agent weighs in on just what we're talking about tonight what this means to the intelligence community when we come back this whistle blower is under what I can only imagine must be the most intense pressure because on the one hand there is this terrifying element called the espionage act and if you violated by sharing anything that is truly sensitive and endangers our national security. Iran world trouble the new reporting tonight that a presidential conversation involving Ukraine alarmed an intelligence official enough for that official to kick it up. The chain Clint Watts former. FBI VI special agent is here with us. He's also happens to be a distinguished research fellow at the Foreign Policy Research Institute and also happens to be the author of messing with the enemy surviving in a social media world of hackers terrorists Russians and fake news so we thought we would have you here and ask you is a whistleblower whistleblower considered the last line of defense would be would be seen as that way and particularly. I think in this circumstance if you look back what did we you just get done with two Plus Years Muller investigation where people were scrutinized publicly were brought out to Capitol Hill brought to so the Muller Committee questioned interrogated spilled out onto twitter so to make this decision to be very high level intelligence officer in

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"carol lennox" Discussed on MSNBC Rachel Maddow (audio)

MSNBC Rachel Maddow (audio)

04:14 min | 1 year ago

"carol lennox" Discussed on MSNBC Rachel Maddow (audio)

"Of the time those stories essentially boil down to Roger stone says thing. So right. And then depending on how long you can bear reading into the story you eventually get to thing does not appear to be true. It's sort of implied with Roger stone's set it. So we don't generally cover those stories on this show. I'm just not interested. I mean, I would maybe liked it just makes me it makes me inch. It makes me crazy like we cannot do it. Anyway, it's sort of a categorical situation for me stories about Roger stone. Do not do. But this tonight in the Washington Post, and this is something real that you actually should know about. So the lead reporter here is Carol Lennox. There are four big name Washington Post reporters who are co bylined on this story. And this is the leads quote special counsel, Robert Muller, ask the house intelligence committee on Friday so several days ago for an official transcript of Trump adviser. Roger stone's testimony quote. It is the first time Muller has formally asked the committee to turn over material. The panel has gathered in its investigation of Russian interference in the two thousand sixteen campaign. Now, what does it mean that Robert Mueller the special counsel's office have asked for the official transcript of Roger stone's testimony. Well, according to the Washington Post tonight, the move suggests that the special counsel is moving to finalize a key part of Muller's inquiry into whether anyone in President Trump's orbit coordinated with the Russians, and if you want to put a finer point on it, the Washington Post. Just straight up goes they're calling this request from Muller to obtain this transcript, quote, a sign that prosecutors could be moving to charge Mr. stone with a crime, quote, securing an official transcript from the committee would be a necessary step before pursuing an indictment that stone allegedly lied to lawmakers charges of lying to congress are relatively rare. But last month, of course, Trump's longtime personal lawyer Michael Cohen pled guilty to just such a charge as part of the special counsel's investigation. The special counsel could use the threat of a false statement charge to seek cooperation from Mr. stone. As Muller has done with other Trump advisors, including former Trump national security advisor, Mike Flynn, and Mr. Cohen, so big picture story. Just broken tonight. By the Washington Post is that they have learned the post has learned and NBC news has not confirmed this reporting, but the post says they have learned that the special counsel's office. Robert Muller has made an official request to get an official transcript of. Roger stone's testimony before congress about Russian interference in the election. So this is not Roger stone says thing this is an action that has been reportedly taken by the special counsel's office. And here's the part of this that I definitely didn't know. And I didn't understand before. I read this story tonight to me, this is fascinating. And maybe everybody knows this stuff. Maybe the nuts and bolts of how exactly exactly you get charged with a felony for lying to congress or like stuff that gets talked about at your staff holiday party, right? Where you work to me. This was totally new. I did not know this before tonight quote for weeks, special counsels offices had access to an unofficial copy of Mr. stones closed-door interview with the committee in September twenty seventeen Moeller's request of the official copy suggests that the special counsel could now be pursuing an indictment. Why is that why does he need the official copy rather than just the unofficial copy that he's been working from quote in general if prosecutors want to bring a charge of lying to invest? Gators. They must obtain a certified clean copy from the transcriber or clerk who took the statement in order to present it as an exhibit to a grand jury, quote because the Roger stone interview was conducted in executive session, meaning behind closed doors without intelligence committee, quote, the transcript of his remarks officially belongs to the committee and may not be released to anyone unless authorized by the committee. So basically, Robert Muller does know at least roughly unofficially what Roger stone's testimony was that closed door testimony that he gave in the fall of two thousand seventeen but you can't bring an unofficial transcript.

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"carol lennox" Discussed on The Beat with Ari Melber

The Beat with Ari Melber

04:01 min | 2 years ago

"carol lennox" Discussed on The Beat with Ari Melber

"Hello, everyone. I'm aiming more hidden in tonight for our Melbourne. We're covering several developing stories tonight ahead. I'm gonna talk to the wife of the Trump aide who pleaded guilty in the Muller probe, her first interview since the Michael Cohen, news broke and democratic mega donor, Tom style joins me on his new ad campaign focused on impeaching President Trump, but we want to begin this evening with some breaking news, Washington Post reporting late today that Trump's Trump asked his lawyers for legal advice about pardoning. Paul Manafort Rudy Giuliani telling the Washington Post Trump's lawyers told him to hold off until the Muller probe is over and that Trump agreed in a moment. I'm going to go to our panel on all of this stories breaking today, but we do want to begin with the reporter who broke that Manafort story the Washington Post's, Carol Lennox. She joins us now live from Washington DC. Carol good to have you with us this evening. Bring this up to speed on what exactly Rudy Giuliani told you. So when we talk this afternoon Rudi and I were talking about a lot of things. He was in Scotland. It was sort of later in the evening there, but I had a lot of questions for him about some of the issues that have been arising in the last few days and some of the president's tweets and Michael Cohen's guilty plea agreement. So anyway, what he said essentially was that the president had sought his and also Jay seculow advice on whether or not to pardon Manafort and the timing of that. And he said later that this was really a conversation about everyone linked to the probe, and he said that his advice and seculars advice to the president was he can't do this. Now you have to wait the public opinion about you pardoning. Any of these individuals is going to be quite dubious and you should hold off in making those decisions. Now, all I wanna give Rudy some credit as well. He. Called me back later after we posted the story and wanted to stress that he had remembered it imprecisely. And actually he feels like this conversation happened weeks earlier than he thought I thought it was three to five weeks ago. He called back and said he thinks now maybe it was two months ago. A senior administration official believes that the president discussed this with his aides a few weeks ago killed you get a sense though that the timing of that conversation occurred while the metaphor trial was underway. Again, I'm going to credit Rudy Giuliani in his last corrected statement. And when she says to me that he believes it was quite a bit longer before the trial. Now, Manafort was facing a lot of charges in a pretty damning case of tax evasion and Bank fraud. It was fairly high odds that he was going to be convicted based on those case based on those charges and the evidence. The government had. But again, I'm just going to let Guiliani say what he wants to say, which is that now he remembers. It really probably was in June, rather than in August. So further further along than than recently. Did you get a sense at all, Carol from your conversation with Rudy Giuliani as to why today? Did he mention this? I mean, he's obviously given a lot of interviews in the past was at your reading of his intent that maybe he was trying to send a signal to Paul Manafort. I don't try to speculate or read people's in ten. I take them at their word. I quote them verbatim and what Giuliani was doing was what he does. Whenever we talk, which is he answered my question. I said, have you discussed Manafort pardon with the president? And he said, yes. Fair enough. Okay, Carolina, appreciate it. Thank you very much and not to the panel who may help us try to understand what all of this means and the day's fast moving developments. While Trump is looking friendly toward Paul Manafort, he appears to feel differently toward this man. Where we go back..

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"carol lennox" Discussed on KDWN 720AM

KDWN 720AM

05:35 min | 2 years ago

"carol lennox" Discussed on KDWN 720AM

"You get along withdraw show Rampant Ricky, Republican, hypocrisy The back to. Monday Trump and Putin only two questions. For fifteen twenty minutes if Trump committed treason in broad daylight in, front of the cameras can you just imagine the amount of treason he committed in the more than two hour private meeting they had, before their public appearance And. Just so you know it was? Donald Trump who not only requested but insisted they meet in private with, no media. Or? Witnesses this will be the third week in a row I've asked this question. And today not one brain dead brainwash Trump bot has even attempted, to answer what do you think that was why would Trump insist on meeting with Putin and private with no media no witnesses why Consider Vladimir Putin is a. Train former KGB officers perhaps the best intelligence officer alive today Donald Trump has bankrupted three casinos can't. Spell council thanks Frederick Douglass is? Alive and believes that a made up country name Nambia what possibly could, have gone. Long I'll be anxious, to hear your responses in the next hour why would he insists on meeting in private those of you. Who need a hint let me? Give you a word, treason and. Speaking of which on Thursday Democrats on the house intelligence, committee moved to. Subpoena the American translator from the from. The Trump treason summit with Putin every single Republican. Voted against. The motion why do you think that is same answer treasonous traders every worthless damn one of them Oh and do you know who else is vehemently resisting, having our translator testify why Russia and Vladimir Putin, Constantin Costa Chauve head of the upper house of Russia's parliament's foreign affairs committee said quote the deposition of. A translator cassette a dangerous precedent? And attack the whole, idea of. Demain diplomacy end quote And let me just add real quick if what happened on Monday is allowed. To slide like all of Donald Trump's other high crimes, and misdemeanors we are done as a country if you're right wing propaganda hate media I if your Republican. Legislators are willing to let treason slide and by the way there was more than one instance of, that, on Monday which will get to but if the? Right is willing to, defend and normalize treason all because they're afraid of a brain dead trader is base that's willing to applaud and, defend, treason we are done as a, country and we might as well change our name to the. USS a Treason the. Reason, enough to put country before party or in this case Trump if treason isn't enough to make this an American thing not a partisan we're done like dinner. And just be aware if you're going to try and, claim you are not okay with threes and yet you plan on voting Republican in November your lion either. To yourself or to your country maybe in the end it really doesn't matter to whom you live And. Because you are okay, with threes and guess with that makes you On Monday. Donald Trump did something no other American president has he stood on stage a. Global stage, essentially told the, entire world that he was a Russian asset in, fact after this travesty Michael Steele former head of the RNC tweeted quote that's how a, press conference house went an asset stands next to his handler end quote We watched a so-called. American president repaying the. Murderous leader of a foreign adversary for his help in the election it was. Indeed a, day that will, live in infamy it was perhaps the worst moment, and US foreign policy that didn't directly involve a war or some other act of violence It's not every day you get to discuss trees by. The president of the United States or in this case the illegitimate so-called president of the US who stole the frigging presidency And unsure Trump's neighbors will see it, differently I can just, hear them now oh that wasn't treason that was just alternative loyalty But let not your heart be troubled you right wing, propaganda hate media welcomes our new. Russian overlords and before he even. Went, to Helsinki to. Make hell stinky last Friday In amazing detail Robert Muller indicted twelve more Russian military intelligence officials for their role in the attacks on our country So how did, Trump respond according to a story in the Washington Post by two Pulitzer prize winning reporters Ashley Parker and Carol Lennox. Two of the best you notice they don't work for FOX noise were no one has ever won a Pulitzer quote the president spent much of the. Weekend growling over the Justice Department's indictment Friday of twelve Russian intelligence officials for interfering in the two, thousand sixteen election he?.

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"carol lennox" Discussed on The 11th Hour with Brian Williams

The 11th Hour with Brian Williams

02:05 min | 2 years ago

"carol lennox" Discussed on The 11th Hour with Brian Williams

"Putin has been elected in their country and that's not something that we can dictate to them how they operate we can only focus on the freeness and the fairness of our elections than we one hundred percent fully support and something we're going to continue to do everything we can to protect to make sure bad actors don't have the opportunity to impact them in any way so many interesting points just in that last answer alone which somehow brings us to our leadoff panel tonight michael mcfaul former us ambassador to russia during the obama administration ashley parker white house reporter for the washington post clint watts former fbi special agent and rick stengel former under secretary of state for public diplomacy and public affairs as well as the former managing editor of time magazine good evening and welcome to you all ashley i'd like to begin with you but by doing so let's listen to something your colleague carol lennox said on this network earlier tonight about what happened in the white house after the phone call we'll talk about it on the other side after the president's call with lead amir putin there was quite a kerfuffle in the white house about what had just gone down a sort of omg moment of what are we going to say about this call are we going to say that the president congratulated putin will the russians kind of took that choice out of the hands of the white house by announcing that that trump had congratulated their leader so ashley would that as the background stories like this one in the washington post show that there are people at the core of the presidency perhaps career people perhaps military people who still care enough to make it known that in their view a wrong has happened correct that is correct and this is not the first sort of phone call with foreign leaders that his leaked out you'll remember the washington post broke last year for instance that the president had a very contentious call with.

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