17 Burst results for "Carlos Gray"
Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"carlos gray" Discussed on Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"Now that Quintana is sort of out of the fold in the beginning that they still have obviously Sega and Verlander who will still need to adjust to their new batteries. So I think in that way it's easier with some of these established catchers. And that was a smart move by the meds to have them sort of ready to go and not forcing the Alvarez into a starting opening day starting catcher role because the mets don't think he's ready defensively, obviously his bat looks majorly Gritty. He did struggle hitting a triple-A when he was promoted last year, but generally he, even in spring and his attitude and the star power, all of that and his bat looks ready to go. But the mets are saying anyway, that they're not going to call him up just to be their DH. They really want him to develop both defensively and keep hitting and see some results there at triple-A before they just call him up. So whether that's true or not, we'll see as it unfolds, I think it all really takes is their DH struggling between Daniel vogelbach and Darren ruff if what are those two are really unproductive for the first few weeks of the season even. It's hard to imagine either Alvarez or Mark vientos or someone, some younger prospect you're getting called up to help that line about. And while we're talking about prospects who made their major league debuts last year, how and where will Brett bay fit in? Yeah, Burt Beatty is another one. I think he's out of the three prospects that we've been really looking at between Brett Beatty, Alvarez and margaritas. I really see baby being the most consistent. He's working really hard at third base. Of course, the problem is he has a block at third base by Eduardo Escobar, and are still paying Escobar, of course, lots of money to play for them this year, but this is another scenario where I think if Escobar has more of his slips, more slips than surges, I can see Bret baity sliding right in, getting that cop and going at third base. I don't see as much, maybe transitioning to the outfield in case Eduardo Escobar is saying has a hotbed at third base. I think they just prefer Beatty to stay at third base and that's his opportunity. But the mets are banking on Escobar to kind of pick up where he left off last year with his hot September. So if he can do that, it really puts Beatty in a tougher position as to where you will really help out. But again, these are the myths and there's always injuries on the horizon. So for me, I really see these three prospects having a really good shot that pretty soon or even middle of the season, joining this big league roster. So one guy who isn't new but will be around for a long time is Brandon nimmo. Take us through the three signing process for him. Was there ever really a danger that he was going to be somewhere else come opening day? Nemo's actually an interesting one because it never got as far as it did with someone like Aaron judge, right? Where he's really taking fielding offers from other teams who kind of knew he would end up whichever team is giving him the most money except for the Padres like obviously judge didn't go there. But with pneumo he had stated his desire from the last day of the regular season last year when he was about to hit free agency that this was the place that he knows. He stayed in his uniform after that final out for hours after. And he was kind of walking around the field, taking it in, pretty emotional, and there's so many differences between how Brandon nimmo entered that final game of the season versus some of the Met's other free agents. And he definitely see most attached to the meds organization from the get go. So he did entertain offers from the Blue Jays, but really this was nimmo to lose. And I think he knew that. So it worked out in both ways. I think now looking at this meds lineup, imagining nimo not there is that top of the line of table setter is unimaginable. So a really good on both sides for getting that worked out, but really it seems like from the beginning it was expected that he would come back to the meds. I think Steve Cohen said in early December, this was maybe after they had missed out on Carlos Correa when it looked like he was going to be a giant, but before it looked like he was going to be a Cohen said my team is good, but it isn't that much better than last year. And that was, I think, the big thing about the Carlos grey edition was not just that it was Carlos Correa, but that it was purely additive, whereas most of the other money they spent this off season or the players they added were either keeping their own guys like Brandon nimmo or offsetting some departure, right? So it's really exciting that you get Justin Verlander, but you lost Jacob to grab and Taiwan walker and Chris Bassett and that's why you go get Jose Quintana or you bring in some of these bullpen arms, but you lose Seth Lugo and other relievers, et cetera. So that was the one case where it looked like, oh, we didn't lose anyone. We might just add someone and we already have Francisco indoor for that matter and we're getting one of the best short steps. So given that the cre assigning didn't actually pan out, is that basically the evaluation of the mets this year compared to last year, it's good, but it isn't that much better, which is not a bad thing because that was a really good met's team even though they ended up being overtaken by the braves. They still won a 101 games. Right. It's so hard to assess sort of how if the mets can even repeat their one on one season and it didn't even feel like it was even a 101 wins last year because the braves were constantly breathing down the Met's neck. And that was sort of the best they could do.
Baseball Tonight with Buster Olney
"carlos gray" Discussed on Baseball Tonight with Buster Olney
"They have questions and the rotation. There are questions all over the field. But the bottom line of it is, when those two guys shared the starting lineup last season, that was a 90 win team. If they can get that for, say, a 120 games this year, I think they got a shot. So you cleared your throat right in the middle of you said, if Carlos grey can stay healthy and you went and I didn't know, was that on purpose? Is that what you're thinking? It was. Now heard it that way. And I just want to tell you, because I've done some reporting and writing a piece on this, you know, Scott Boris came out, told USA Today the other day that no, the mets just had one doctor look at Carlos Correa's medical information that the Giants banged, that's not true. Multiple doctors looked at this information and oh, by the way, it's interesting. The Minnesota Twins, people have said, well, the twins know better than anybody. The twins reduced their offer to him from 285 million to $200 million. So the idea that the Giants and the mets are kind of on this wacky train with medical stuff. All teams apparently are looking at Correa's medical information and are worried about something in the near future and based on my conversation with people. I think it's arthritis. That's good insight. The issue here is not the doctors or the evaluation, the issue here is the leg itself. That we know. That does not, however, mean buster, that in the short term, that contract, that contract might still play up for the Minnesota Twins so long as he can keep performing, and you get a 130 games a year out of him. All right, who are going to be baseball's Jacksonville Jaguars in 2023? So watching the playoffs and I noticed the Jaguars finished three and 14 last year. They had the number one pick in the draft. They play in Kansas City over the weekend. So I thought to myself, who might do that in baseball, we see a year over year changes considerable changes all over the place. I'm going to present the case for the Texas Rangers, all right? Follow my logic here. So the rangers last year was 68 and 94, but they were better than that. Their run differential, which was -36, says the quality of their play was equal to that of a 77 win team, okay? So think about it through that prism. The rangers went 15 and 35 in one run games. That's hard to do. That was the worst record of its kind across baseball. Now, I actually really approve of what they've done with their starting rotation. The Grom, the andini and the off season. I do think they overpaid for degrom, but if they can make 25 starts with them, we know what those are going to look like. Plus Martine Perez and John gray buster, that's going to be the hardest throwing starting rotation may be in baseball history. All those guys sit 95 plus. And I wouldn't be at all surprised at all. If Corey Seeger was a legit MVP candidate. We've run all the numbers. He has as much to gain as any hitter in baseball because of the shift restrictions now. I think he could absolutely explode in a division that week. I can dream up a scenario in which Texas wins 85 games. Have I convinced you? Yes, you have. I absolutely look at them. And I know, I think overall we both have a lot of questions about what the Red Sox have been doing. But in terms of the strategy, if you're not going to spend huge dollars, their strategy to try to improve over the last year's team, I think it sound by improving their bullpen because that was a problem area. And if you go from having one of the worst bullpens at baseball to let's say you're in the upper third, you know, in terms of performance, that could make a significant difference in late innings in one run games. I'm not picking the Red Sox and make the playoffs, but if you told me the end of the year, they won same range. 83 to 85 wouldn't be completely shocked. Now you're not buying it. I can see it in your face. I'm a little bit more skeptical with Boston in large part just because of the quality of the division. Now obviously the balance schedule is going to probably help them to some degree, but I'm looking at 15 games against Oakland. I'm looking at 15 games against the angels. I'm viewing the American League west, having providing them a clearer path. The American than the American League east, which I think I don't know if I agree with you there. You know, you got the Houston Astros, you got the Seattle mirrors. I think the angels are better than what people realize in terms of pitching, ohtani, trout, but anyway, go ahead. No, you could we'll be right. Maybe the Orioles will take a step back. We don't know. What I'm saying is if I'm projecting these things out, how clear how clear a path you can sort of forge for yourself within your division will go a long, long way. And I think Texas will have a more clear path. And I'm really buying over the last two years. The vast improvements that they've made to their roster, and they were a lot better than that 94 loss performance last year might indicate. Speaking of ohtani, Alan Gonzalez wrote a PC of the day talking to a lot of executives evaluators around baseball about what Otani's going to get into contract. And you and I have been talking about this for months. The key number is 5, okay? In terms of average annual salary, it's going to be $50 million plus Alan addressed the question of whether or not he'd get $500 million. You think it's going to be higher than that? Yeah, so my mother in law is a real estate agent. So I often hear her use the term highest and best. And buster, I don't think 500 million is going to be highest your best. I really don't. And while I think there are some who might say, honey is maybe volatile or a potential, there's a lot of potential downside there because he does both. I would respond by saying he is a surefire slam dunk, can't miss investment because he does both. Right, here's a number. So over the last two seasons, Otani owns an OPS plus of one 52. That ranks 6th over that time. Sandwiched between your Don Alvarez and Vlad junior. That number, again, one 52 is equivalent to the careers of Frank Robinson and onus Wagner and Mike Schmidt. That's how good a hitter ohtani is right now. Over that same period of time, he owns an ERA plus of one 56. That ranks 5th. Sandwiched between Carlos rodon and max fried. That number again, one 56 is the equivalent to the careers of Clayton Kershaw and Pedro Martinez and lefty grove. His agent will be selling a 29 year old who hits like Frank Robinson and pitches like Pedro Martinez. That guy has the easiest job in the world. And when you extrapolate the value that he has produced over that time, what fan graph says is that the performance over the last two years equals $140 million per year. Excuse me, $140 million in total, 70 per year. So if we're going to say ten for 500 is our guest from now but the numbers say is that that is way short of the mark that he is performing on the field. And that doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of the value you are getting with all of the marketing stuff. And the global appeal and everything else. I don't think that number is starting to the 5 buffer. And I'm not sure it's starting with a 6 either. I didn't Shohei Ohtani might be much closer to a $1 billion than half a $1 million. What do you think? What do you think? Crazy? I don't know closer to a billion than 500 million. I don't think he's getting like 751 million. Like I don't think he's going to be at that tipping point. You know, we'll see. But I would say it's interesting because I think the two teams that are eventually going to be the most heavily involved in this bidding. And I know the angels new owner will step up.
Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"carlos gray" Discussed on Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"Have to say it at some point and I know we're all technically pending physical just as we're all day to day as they say. Carlos grey pending some physical someday. I'm sure he'll still have to have some sort of physical just routine checkups like we all do. But the big one, the one that was holding up his contract. That one, he has passed. He passed his physical, congratulations, Carlos Correa, Minnesota twin. Still, Minnesota Twins. The once and future. Minnesota Twins. Yeah, I remember when I think Aaron judge signed and we were saying that sometimes it's a little less interesting when a big player just re signs with the same team. I mean, it might be better for baseball in some sense, but also there's just less to analyze the circumstances didn't change as much as if that player had changed teams. This is maybe the exception, I think. Because future generations might look at Carlos grey's baseball reference page and think he was a twin in 2022. Look, still a twin in 2023, nothing to see here. Yeah. I guess you just stayed with the twins. Yeah. You won't know unless you were there or this story and its legacy lives on, which sure it will, for some time, that he was almost technically a member of two teams between those two seasons with the threads to other teams. Yeah, look, Ben. One of my responsibilities, Ben, as a managing editor of fan crafts. Try to look anticipate when news will break. Right? Because we want to respond to it and timely way. And I use a variety of mechanisms to do that. Some of them involve sorcery, AKA talking to people I know who work for teams. And them saying hey, just so you know, Meg. Gonna have this and that happened in on this and that time. Notice that I didn't betray any of this or that specifically because I don't want to get anyone in trouble. Kept your sources protected. Yeah, and I'm not a news breaker, you know? And we don't really, we don't really have any news breakers. Except maybe around like the draft, you know, then there's a little bit of that goes on. You're no Carlos baerga. You're not dropping by your kebabs. I mean, I do love sport. But I am not, I am not a news breaker, right? So there's that piece of it. And then the other piece of it is like, you know, I think that we have talked about how there are certain news breakers who seem to maybe potentially who could say have some regular sources of their own on the agent or team side. And when they start saying stuff, your ears perk up a little bit. You go, okay, so this is maybe starting to oh. And some of those folks have occasionally been had by agents, you know, we are just going to call it straight. Like they have occasionally gotten played a little bit by agents. Perhaps to manufacture or further the market for that agent's client. You know, that's part of it. That's part of the cost of doing business. I don't tend to think of Ken, Rosenthal is one of those news breakers who gets got very often. It doesn't seem to happen with Ken. And he's not the only news breaker for whom that is true, but he is one of the news breakers for whom that is true. So one can wrote about how the twins were sort of back in in a real way. I was like, oh, yeah. I maybe need to get ready to edit a Carlos Correa signing react again. You know, and so we ran it up the flagpole here at fangraphs and I said, spend comments. Ben, here's our plan, you know, here's what we're going to do in the various scenarios involving him actually getting a deal done with the twins, and they're with the mets rather. And one involving him signing with literally anyone else. And we had that ready to go. And then sure enough. Carlos Correa, not a forever twin, you know, but a for a long time, twin, for a, you know, parts of our lives that are relevant stretches that might involve big life movement twin. You know, that's harder to say, but it's sort of reflective of it. And you know what? What a weird winter, you know? You've got a lot of climates you're considering if your Carlos grey, right? You're thinking about living in a lot of different places. I wonder, I think a lot about moving and how inconvenient that is. And so I wonder like, did Carlos Correa and his wife like did they own a home in Minnesota? Did they rent a home in Minnesota if they did one or the other? Can they go back to that same home? You know? Or now that he's going to be there for at least 6 years, are they like, well, we want to have a more permanent residence that is perhaps more bespoke to our likings because I think we all knew and so did they that absent are really terrible 2022 that he was likely to opt out in test Reagan. We didn't know what a saga it would be. We did that. It's funny. I'm going to continue rambling ever so briefly. If you had told me on November 6th, when free agency, you know, guys were declared free agents or whatever. If you told me when the last out was recorded in the World Series, it's going to take Carlos Correa until January tenth to sign a deal. I would have been like, what? The off season's moving along in a nice clip. We're doing great. We don't have any of this wait until March business that we've seen for some big names either because of stinginess or the pandemic, I guess not the pandemic, but stinginess or the lockout, I've been like, what a normal sign until March 22nd. Last time. Right. I would have sat there and said, what, what a regular ass off season we're dealing with, much like his baseball reference page. What a lie that would be. Yep. Wow. Yeah, he flirted with three different time zones, I guess. So it's almost a west coaster than almost an east coaster. Now remains a midwesterner at least during baseball season. And gosh, so much to discuss. It continues to be tremendous content. You've gotten more fan grass posts out of the Carlos creia signing than you ever could have anticipated. The press conference is scheduled to start very shortly as we speak here. So if we get any updates, so we'll have some real-time reactions or if Scott Boris drops any puns or anything. We will bring them to you live for us, but not for you. But really, we have to talk about the terms, obviously, because the terms have changed dramatically. So the new terms, which I almost won't believe, even though the reputable news breakers have all reported and confirmed that it's done and that he passed the physical until he gets to put on that twins uniform in that Jersey the way he did not quite get to Don the Giants Jersey for his press conference that got canceled at the last second there. We will soon see him at a podium and then and only then will I believe that this is done, but it is reportedly a 6 year $200 million contract with four additional vesting options that can take it up to 270 million over a ten year term. No opt outs, he does get a new trade clause. So this is a weird one. I guess it's even weirder than his contract last winter. This whole saga, you wouldn't have thought that things could be weirder than they were for him last year, where things got delayed by the lockout, and then he signed late with a team that no one had really expected him to sign with.
The Rich Eisen Show
"carlos gray" Discussed on The Rich Eisen Show
"Red Sox, Carlos Correa still kind of twirling in the wind there hasn't officially signed with the mets either. Due to the physicals, what's the latest there, buddy bob nightingale USA Today's force Major League Baseball calmness joining us, bob. Happy holidays and happy new year to you and your family, first of all. Yeah, you too. Thank you, Ben. Thank you, bob, appreciate it. Look, Carlos Correa fails apparently fills a physical at the San Francisco giants. I don't know if he's officially failed the physical at the mets, but there's concerns coming out of his physical at the mets to where he hasn't signed that 12 year deal for $315 million. What is the latest and why your team still pursuing a guy that seemingly can't pass physicals for two teams? Well, now you're seeing if you can get them at a discount price. I mean, the twins offered ten years about two 82 85. You're back in. You got to raise your price. They said, no, we're not even sure that we will do a deal. Physical physicals. And even though they had him playing, obviously both the Giants and mets saw something that aren't, remember, also, it would have been deal with the Giants in the first place. You know, bob, but that said though, look, I mean, Carlos grey has a pretty good player. There's no question about it. And from what we understand, and this is not information that's coming directly from the team, so I'm not sure, but this is based on an injury he had about 8 years ago while playing in the minor leagues. It is not affected in all these years, is this considered something that potentially long-term like on an arthritic type of condition where, you know, you give a guy a ten year contract 12 year contract, this will flare up at some point. I guess that has to be the worry, correct? Yeah, I mean, it sounds like there's a plate in that right ankle. He was quoted late in the season, someone slid into him. He goes, oh, that kind of stung for a while and hit the plate. Well, as low worried. It's kind of freeze up. So obviously there's a concern there. There's a lot of concern. The thing if you're a Korea though, it's like, you know, man, just had two deals, I lost 35 million in the first one. What happens here? My gut gas is because of mesh one of them so bad and they've already publicly said at least the owner has said it will get a deal. Because usually just the agents that leaked that out, never the teams because the physical, but my guess is they'll just restructure. Okay. If you missed significant amount of time, because of the lower right leg injury, then we're going to shape some years off that contract. Yeah, I kind of, the JV Martinez situation at the Boston Red Sox, I guess, when they brought him in, kind of, give themselves some out clauses in it. Due to health reasons. You know, they never had to use it obviously, but that was a much shorter contract than what Carlos Correa is going to get. Now that said though, look, I love baseball bob and you know, Manny Machado to me is a tremendous player. You know, I think, you know, when you look at where the shortstops went this off season, Swanson goes to Chicago, you know, the Phillies, of course, get in there as well with Trey Turner who I think is phenomenal. Correa's had some health issues. Offensively, look, you look at the numbers, he's pretty good. I'm not sure he's great. Is he a guy that maybe is being overrated to a point? Am I wrong to think that? Because I don't think he's as good as Machado, I don't think he's going to straight Turner. I'm with you on that. I mean, he's a very good player. He was an amazigh, a great teammate, Minnesota, certainly with the Houston Astros. Remember, the Astros originally offered 5 years at one 50 and he turned it down before he before he departed. So I think you're paying for the whole thing. You know, just his charisma, a sharp guy. It reminds you of also at ring is in the sense. I don't think it's got Rodriguez's talent. But just that kind of charisma on the reporter's flock to him, the phone after games. That sort of thing. All right, so it's not just me saying that I'm glad that you agree about. I'm always like he's good. I just don't think he's in that upper Echelon that he seemingly getting paid for. Now, the New York mets, we brought them up and obviously if they lock up Correa for whatever amount of money with the luxury taxes involved, their payroll as a whole will be approaching 500 plus $1 million, which could be in fact 200 million more than the Yankees and literally doubled the third place team, which I believe is the Phillies. Good for baseball, bad for baseball, bob. Well, I think it's great for the mets. I think it's bad for baseball in the sense that you and I, Dan, can right now playoff teams, we can, I'm sure, pick at least ten or 11 the teams that'll do the playoffs. We know who's going to be in. Just because of the payroll. When you have the largest disparity among all the sports, you know, something's wrong. People say, well the other owner should spend more. Yeah, maybe they should, but they're not doing that. So I just think it's can lead to some bad results. When you have a team that's going to have $500 million in payroll on taxes, play against a team that's got a $60 million payoff. But here's the problem though, bob, you know, the San Diego Padres are playing in the 27th largest media market in America and they have a payroll that's about $250 million. Should we be more mad at the New York mets for spending money? I know they're in obviously a bigger market and they have S and Y and they get revenue from that or should we be more mad at teams like the Marlins or the rays or the pirates or the royals? Teams that just don't seem to want to spend money instead they just want to pocket all these profits and we're talking probably significant profits. Should we be more mad at the teams, bob? That don't want to spend any money when clearly they can spend more than they're actually spending. Yeah, I mean you make more once you sell that team, that's when you really do it. I mean, everybody in baseball is talking about the San Diego Padres. I mean, 27th largest market is not going to grow any. You've got LA to the north, Mexico to the south, Pacific Ocean. West and the desert to east. They're trapping there. But they have an owner, Peter Sadler, who doesn't care about losing money. And a lot of these teams say, wait a minute now. I got to get it's a fun thing, but to make money. It's a good business. But Peter schiller is a one saying, you know what? I don't care. I want to leave a World Series championship as far as my legacy. So they're really more of an outlier than anybody. USA Today's sports Major League Baseball commas bob nightingale joining us here on the rich eisen show Dan Schwartzman infra rich on this Wednesday. What are the Red Sox doing? That's a big market. You know, they have nestin. I mean, they can spend money yet they seem to be, you know, shopping the bargain basement aisle this off season and letting Xander bogarts walk the second homegrown superstar they let walk in, recent memory along with Mookie betts. What's going on there? Yeah, I mean, it's almost like when you said people in Kansas City, Cleveland, and these places should be upset. No, nobody should be upset more impossible because that's a major market team. They have tons of resources there with their TV network and the price of the tickets. Sell out to a lot of times. I think what's happened with them is that they get tired of seeing Tampa when year after year to be competitive. And why can't we be like Tampa? We just hired the RGM or some Tampa. Let's see if we can do it by bringing basement shopping and playing with them. So I don't see Rafael devastating there. I'm a drug paper Mookie betts in bulgars when they can do it for him for. No, that's a great point. Absolutely. You're right. Is he going to stick around probably not? There's another homegrown guy that will most likely be playing elsewhere. And the Dodgers also this off season. They've been kind of, you know, they haven't made the big splash that you
Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"carlos gray" Discussed on Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"And how did you do it exactly? Method dollar logically, is that how you say that word? That's a logically methodologically. I said it much slower than you should, but I think other than that, it was correct. Still a better read than decayed. Yeah, so I specifically looked at 26 man opening day payrolls, plus CBT payments. And used the cots contracts data, which goes back to the start of the 21st century. And I know that isn't a perfect representation of how much a team is actually paying on player salaries, but it's surprisingly difficult to find comparable team by team 40 man data beyond the last decade. You can find CBT 40 band data on cots contracts back to I think 2011, but before that it's just year end 40 man payments and then other sites don't go a comparable amount back either. So I figured 26 men was going to be close enough and get us close enough to the right answer. And that was the best way I could find for a longer time period. So see, this is why I did it the easy way. It did involve probably more spreadsheet wrangling than you had to do just plug you into the national inflation website. I am comfortable with spreadsheet wrinkling, but I was on a deadline. All right, so what did you discover about team payrolls? Yeah, so I ran these calculations in two different ways, and I'm not totally sure which is best, so I'll offer both. The first is that I compared every team's payroll to the average payroll from the season in question, creating a sort of payroll plus metric. So like ERA plus or WRC plus it's centered on the number 100. And by that method, the 2023 mets rank second among all teams since 2000. So they have apparel plus of three O 6, meaning they're spending three times as much as the average team. I will note that this is contingent on Carlos gray a passing his physical. Getting the salary that has been reported. However, that would rank the Met's second among all teams the century, the only team higher, the 2000 5 Yankees who had a payroll plus of 325. I'm sure it would not surprise anyone listening to learn that before the 2023 mets. The 6 highest payroll plus marks the century belonged to the 2040 Yankees, the 2005 Yankees in 2006 Yankees, the 2007 accused the 2008 Yankees and the 2090 he is actually the top 19 before now we're all Yankees or Dodgers teams and the 20th was the 2022 mets. Yeah. Yeah, well, I was a fan of those teams as were you, I guess I worked for a couple of those teams though I was not part of that payroll. It would have made a very different, but that was not shocking to me that that's the team that I had singled out when I talked about it the 2005 Yankees because they were just so far above everyone else at the time. The actual number is a lot lower than the current met's number. What was it in $2005? It was just over 200 or something like that. 208 million for the 26 men opening day or peril plus a $34 million CBT amount. Right. Yeah, so I guess the CBT, I mean, it was different than different tiers, different penalties, et cetera. So I guess they were probably not as far over it as Cohen is going to be and maybe also the penalties weren't as steep, but yeah, if you do do that adjustment, even if you just do the lazy way that I did, they're kind of close to where the mets are currently. But if you do it the more involved way than they stand out. And so that was one method, right? What's the other method? The other thing I'll just say about the 2005 Yankees is they're one of my favorites because they are by far the worst defensive team. That's the team that had a negative a 120 defensive run saved, probably because all of their players were old and expensive. Yeah, exactly. Right. No, I noticed that too, because yes, they were the lowest team defense by defensive run saved ever. And weirdly, just this weirdly, maybe more weirdly, this year's Yankees were, I think, the highest, right? They had the highest defensive run state of total ever, which is weird because I would not have thought of them that way. But yeah, the 2022 Yankees plus one 29 DRS and the 2005 Yankees negative one 20. So that's your spectrum there. And they both won almost the same number of games. Yep. Multiple ways to win. All right. So the other method that you used? Yeah, so the other method was calculating every team Z score compared to the season in question. I figured maybe that's a better way to see how far ahead they are of every other team as opposed to just the average. Because even this year, the Yankees are not super far away from the mets percentage wide speaking. So if you run this calculation, the Met's estimated opening day payroll plus CBT gives them a Z score of 3.74, meaning there are 3.74 standard deviations ahead of the average. And that ranks fourth all time. So you have the 2005 Yankees again, number one with the Z score of 4.28, and then the 2006 Yankees, the 2004 Yankees, those mid 2000s Yankees teams were really on a whole nother level even by Yankee standards, and then you have the mets in fourth place.
Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"carlos gray" Discussed on Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"Right, the captain thing captain. Changing the guard. Is there a patch? Do you get a patch? G actually, he was so wearing an on Yankee like level of facial hair. I don't know that that would have flown when he was captain. It was beyond scruff. It was scruff, I guess. It was beyond 5 o'clock shadow. Oh. So maybe it's now that he is no longer captain judge. He can really cancel this is another indication he has passed the torch. Right. Because he's got he doesn't have to shave every day because the responsibilities, the weighty responsibilities of being the captain no longer lie heavy on his shoulders. If he wants to not shave today, that's okay. Yeah. Oh man, I am exhausted, Ben. Yeah, this was really something. I mean, Steve Cohen's the captain now, I guess, of New York when it comes to attention. In a baseball context. So man, I can't believe that that happens. It's shocking. It is a stunner, you know? And now I feel like we have to not use that word and headlines for a while, right? We need to we're done for a stretch with stunner and shocker and I know because I mentioned in my piece like Jeff passon used the word staggering to describe the mets payroll prior to Korea. Again, before Carlos grey, without Carlos praya, so how do you go up from staggering? I went with stupefying. I think is slightly higher on the mountain, like the hierarchy of expressing surprise. Yeah. But like at a certain point, you're like, you know, if you are crushed under a big rock, if you put another big rock on top of it, it's like, yeah, it's technically heavier, but you've already been crushed by the big rock, so it's like, again, it's a matter of degree and not category. So, you know, it's like, I think it's, man, I can't believe it. I just want to say, I'm I don't believe in jinxing, Ben. I'm not a jinx, heavy person, it's like it's very magical. But I want to say the following, which is that I have primed us to have to cut in with a true emergency pod like on Christmas Day with my what could possibly be bigger. So I just want to say to Jerry and AJ. Get any ideas, you guys, okay? Somebody go lock those two in a closet, right? Remind them that they like their families. Somebody do something. You know, take their phones away. Don't try to top this. This can't be topped. It can't be topped. But you might try, but you don't want to trade for nano Tati's junior right now, AJ. His value is the lowest it's ever been. So don't don't do that because it would be a bad time. And Jerry, I know you keep saying it, but you don't actually have that much left to trade. So don't try that either. Stop it. You're not getting Brian Reynolds, you know? Yeah. No, this is the actual embodiment of the onion headline from 20 years ago about the Yankees ensuring that they win the pennant by signing every player in baseball. It's not quite that, but it's about as close as we're gonna get. And Steve Cohen, when he purchased the team, he said if we win a World Series in the next three to 5 years, I'd consider that slightly disappointing. And it'll be three years come next November when the World Series wraps up. So this is the price he'll pay to avoid slight disappointment I suppose and to inflict large disappointment on other teams. I mean, I feel bad for the Giants fans, but this is tremendous content. Just like, I mean, Carlos Correa under cover of darkness. I would watch white lotus season three that's just like Steve Cohen sipping martinis and signing Carlos Correa in the middle of the night on the east coast. So just so much happened here. And I guess we have discussed it. Yeah, I'm afraid to look at my phone. I know. I'm afraid too, Ben. So here we are. Wow. Really something. Well, I hope you've all enjoyed our enthusiasm for this subject. And the last thing I want to say, this is unrelated, I think we've exhausted our mets, Korea, Cohen, content. It's really just the gift that keeps giving. Yeah, I mean, we already did. Almost a full episode on Cohen's payrolls and the high range and the mets versus the Orioles at the bottom and what does this mean for baseball in the long term implications and little did we know? Little did we know? Carlos Correa was going to be a met also. A new a New York met. Ben, I said to other Ben today, how sad I was that I had already used the shrugging face picture of Correa for his piece about very long deals because it would have been perfect for this, but it already used it, so then I had to do him doing a thumbs up. I had to be like thumbs up. You know? Ben, you know, the only other thing that could make it wilder. You know what? And I don't think it'll happen to be clear. I don't think it will happen. But what if you failed this physical
Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"carlos gray" Discussed on Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"A problem if you're going to let this kind of thing fall apart. Yeah, yeah. Oh my God. Right, because the thing of it is they needed an impact signing. They needed that by their own admission, right? It's not like, and they haven't backtracked on that, so I don't want to imply that they have, but like they said, we want to we want to upgrade this lineup and we want to do that in a way, no disrespect to methana group, but it is more substantial. And certainly longer term, right? No concerns with methane occurs medical somehow. Yeah, I know that people have made that joke and I get it, but also he's not going to be a giant middle aged, so that is true. Yes. In fairness there. So there's that piece of it that I just think is very like, it's just, it's calamitous, right? Because if they had known that they were going to miss out on Correa. If they had known, in fact, going in that they were going to miss out on judge and I would imagine that the rest of their off season proceeds differently than it did, which doesn't mean that all of a sudden like Carlos Jordan isn't a Yankee, right? But I imagine they would have tried to sort of push their chips in financially other places and it's not like the rest of the division stood still and even if you're discounting the Dodgers relative to last year, which I think is appropriate to do given their departures and the lack of sort of one to one replacements that they've made. Like the Dodgers are still good and the Padres got all that better, right? Maybe the Padres have like a spare metal and feel good that they want to just ship San Francisco. Ben Clemens made this point when he wrote this up for us today after he and I got done exchanging shocking, wow, and slack for like 20 minutes, but you know, this deal was Correa was made with an eye toward more than just 2023. And we can't evaluate at this moment in time how losing him and sort of effectively having a sort of whatever team in 2023, you know, what that is going to end up meaning for 2024 and beyond. Like, we don't know yet because there's a whole other off season that will occur between this season and that. And maybe they'll make big impact signings, maybe we're all going to be sitting here a year from now being like, you know, it really sucked at the time, but I'm sure they're really glad that they have showing you now, right? Sure. There are ways in which a year from now this can read differently for the 2024 and beyond picture when it comes to the Giants, but they still aren't going to have Carlos Correa, which is a bummer even with a whatever medical concerns they might have about him. And they aren't assured those signings, right? Whereas this one was like a bird in the hand, you know? And a really good bird, right? It was a good bird. And now there's one fewer good bird. So it's kind of calamitous for them. I don't want to necessarily be in the blame assigning part of that because I think you're right that there is a scenario here reading the coverage that we've gotten so far where they maybe did not appreciate in a way that isn't like negligent, the sort of jeopardy that they were in, that they did not have an accurate understanding of the precarity of their situation. And, you know, because they're historically has not been a Steve Cohen to contend with and that these deals even when there are issues tend to like, you can work it out, right? You can find your way to something, particularly when it's not even, you know, it's not even Christmas yet. It's not like opening days tomorrow or anything like that. But it does make this off season really read differently. It's one thing when you have anchored your free agency period with one of the, if not the best guys, and then you have signed complementary pieces around that, you know, particularly on the pitching side where you're good at maximizing guys. Right now, they have a roster where if they do everything, you have to feel like the ceiling on it is 90 wins, right? Like even if they get the very most out of every possible piece, like everything would have to go right. Everything would have to go right. A lot had to go right. Yeah, they wouldn't have been a division favorite but they would have been a much more solid wild card contender without Korea. I don't know that I even see that happening necessarily. I guess good news for say the cubs or teams like that who are trying to maybe for that third wild card and maybe we'll have to worry about the Giants as much. But you're not like they're not better than they're not better than the Padres. They're not better than the Dodgers. They're not better than the cubs. They're not better than the brewers. They're not better than the Cardinals. They're not better than the Phillies. They're not better than the braids. They're not better than the mets. That's enough teams where they're not better than that they're just sitting at home in October. Yeah, yeah. You know? I can't believe that this happened. Then it's amazing. It's amazing. And it opens the door. It opens. It opens the door for the mets to do even more. Like this feels to me to me. Like it actually increases the odds of them say acquiring Liam Hendricks because here I'm really bust your brain with this one. It's like, okay, now you have Carlos Correa famously a third baseman. Yeah. We haven't even talked about that part yet. Carlos gray is just a third baseman right now, which is Francisco Lindor. One of the best short stops. Amazing, right? Okay, so now they get to do all kinds of fun stuff because they have Correa third, which means that they
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"carlos gray" Discussed on The Dan Patrick Show
"Talent team? You know, I wouldn't quite go there yet. The World Series odds, according to DraftKings, the Astros are still the favorites, then it's the Yankees and the mets, and then it's the Dodgers after that. I'll leave you with this. Speaking of the Dodgers, given what happened with Carlos Correa playing with the Astros, would Dodge your fans have accepted Carlos Correa if the Dodgers went out and signed him. You know, I think that the second Carlos Correa hit the first big home run in a Los Angeles Dodgers uniform, they would love him. Because that's how fans are. It's all about what you do in our laundry. But Carlos grey is not going to be hitting any home runs in doctor uniform Dan. If everything goes as expected and we know things sometimes don't go as expected. But if everything goes as expected, he will be in New York, Matt, and a New York Matt third baseman for a long time. Always great to talk to you, Jeff. Thank you. Pleasure is always my Dan. Thanks for having me. 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From your perspective, do you think you have a chance to play on Saturn? Definitely a change. Taking a day by day though. Marcellus Wiley, the former NFL all pro defensive end, host of more to it, podcast on the Dan Patrick podcast network and he joins us now. Is that a must lie situation there Marcellus that do you think Jalen hurts is going to play against cowboys? No, I don't think he's going to play against the cowboys and he doesn't think so as well. But he understands his role in the understands that fully as the leader of this team. Jalen hurts beyond his talent, his character is what's really driving this team to make him accountable and why they're on this win streak right now and have the number one seat. And Jalen hurts knows he doesn't want to drop the ball in terms of the momentum this team has right now saying that you're going to just pass the baton to Gardner minshew without a fight. Make some people question you in the locker room. That's the football culture. You have to die trying. So Jalen hurts knows, even if he's physically not able to go out there verbally, he has to act like he can. Okay, what would you do if he's iffy to be able to play? How important is this game for the eagles? We know how important it is for the cowboys. Yeah, you know, it's interesting. There's always layers to it. Like right now, you're talking to your audience. But then during commercial break, you talk to the dance. And you guys say different things. Obviously, you're privy to different information if you're on the inside. So on the inside as a teammate, I would know the real. I would see them in the training room. I'll say, what's up? You're good? I don't know, dog. I don't know, dogs has a no in it. It doesn't have eye don't yes, dog. I don't know dogs. So we get it. And then you have to go out there and publicly profess something so that we can still hold some hope out. But at the same time, when I've been in that predicament before, I've kept it real on the inside and fake on the outside. Trying to figure out dak Prescott of it always feels like when we say, oh, where is he? The top ten quarterback. He's around ten. Why isn't he higher or what's missing for him to move up the quarterback ladder in your opinion? One, the scrutiny is so intense that we're going to question ourselves even when we believe what we see with our eyes. That's what happens when you wear the star on your helmet. Dak Prescott suffers from that. Also, dak Prescott has had a ton of resources, but not all of them at the same time. Let's just remember this when he had the offensive line that was young and bawling. And Ezekiel Elliott was bawling when he was young. He didn't have a defense. Then all of a sudden, you start to see some of the holes in Ezekiel Elliott in the office of line. Then you start seeing flashes from the defense. Then all of a sudden you look up and he doesn't have the receiving corps he needs, but he has the defense and the running game could be there if they committed to Pollard fully, but they're going back and forth trying to respect the contract Ezekiel Elliott. I look at this like it's Dallas. So we're always gonna find something critical to say. Dak Prescott is certainly a great quarterback, but how great is always gonna suffer because of where his location. And more importantly, everything that he has, he's not had at the same time. So I think that's why he hovers around number ten. Is there a quarterback who's under more pressure? I can't name him. I don't see anybody else. And the pressure is because people won't give you your flowers. The pressure is when anything goes wrong, you're the reason
Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"carlos gray" Discussed on Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
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Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"carlos gray" Discussed on Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"Come or whether it's just a blip because he's been really great at short stop. There's been there have been some big swings in his defense of metrics. Like if you look at where he graded out in 2021, he was one of the best defenders in baseball and then more lackluster showing this year offset a little bit by the fact that his bet was better, but like, yeah, he wasn't, he wasn't worth as much even when you factor in the difference employing time, but I don't know, like he's just really good. Sometimes it's like, I feel like we're supposed to be clever with signing analysis and sometimes it's just straightforward, like they had a need. They had money to spend. I like this guy. I mean, I'm sure that they would have liked to bring rodon back. And I guess the possibility exists that they still will, although they spent some big, some big money. So I would not be, I wouldn't look at their off season and be like, did you really do anything if they don't bring backgrounds or done? Just to be clear, I'm not being critical. I'm just saying that they seem like they have spent the money that they're going to spend. But the sort of shape of their signings, I think, also illustrates something about what they think that they are really good at and the different places where they can sort of deploy their skill. And sometimes that's just being willing to spend $350 million on one of the Marquis free agents of the class. I think the best short stop among them, and sometimes that's looking at some of the potential bounce back guys on the pitching side and saying, okay, you know, Sean and I and Ross stripling are not as dependable or as sexy as root on. I mean, I'm not making a statement about their aesthetic, that's for all of you to decide for yourselves, but the production is viewed as less reliable because they either don't pitch a lot or they had it down your leg when I did, right? Like stripling had a great year, but it was his best year and even he didn't pitch like a full full complement of any. So you're like, okay, they sign Correa, they're willing to spend money. And then they're looking at these guys and saying, these are dudes who we think are either probably good in the case of stripling or can be sort of helped to become or revert to a prior good version of themselves in the case of mania, right? They have confidence in their pitching dev to do what they need to there. And I think that that's a reasonable thing for them to have confidence in given the success that they've had over the last couple of years. So I don't know, I like it. I think, you know, this is a good Ben. I say it's good. I say so too. What the projected standing say now, I would imagine that the giant are still below that there's still some separation between the top two teams in that division and the Giants, but it's probably something like 5 wins, less of separation than it would be without Carlos grey. Well, and I think that we're getting to a point in the off season. And I know that the Dodgers brought in Noah syndergaard yesterday and they've made sort of other smaller signings around the margins. But I think we're getting to a point in the off season with Los Angeles where we need to start reconciling ourselves to the idea that they are largely done. Like the big, I guess that they could still take a run of dance Swanson. I think he's going to end up being a cup. That's my hot take. It's not such a take a lot of people said that. But the really big impact signings that we have seen other teams, including other teams in their division, do my not becoming for LA either because they think their fans will boo them or more realistically because they really want to reset their luxury tax penalties maybe to make a run at Otani. How many teams are making a run at Otani next year? How many changes are artificially suppressing payrolls so they can make a run out of Johnny next off season? It's more than one. Anyway, but they want to dip below the luxury tax threshold. They do have some uncertainty about how much room they have to play with because of this still unresolved situation with Bauer. And so I don't think that they're going to be a bad team next year or anything. They are good team as currently constituted, but I have been mentally adjusting the NL west projected standings in my head all off season to be like, but LA's not done. And I think LA might be done. So, you know, I think we have a much clearer picture now that now the potteries are like, okay, fine, we'll stop signing middle and fielders, you guys. And the Giants have gotten Correa and LA is LA. I think we have a pretty good sense of what the hierarchy in that division is going to be as we approach opening day. There might be minor changes around the margins, but this might be, this is, you know, you look at it and you're like, Gavin Lux starting. I almost said sharding shortstop, Ben. He's not that bad. I was going to say. That's terrible. Gavin, I'm so sorry. Blood content, if that were the case. Starting shortstop. I've never struggled to say that sequence of words ever before in my life, but I'm glad the first time I did it was on Mike Dillon. Leave it in. But yeah, you're just going to have Lux at short, see. No danger is there. I mean, there might be dangerous there to be clear because I think we play second, but anyway. Yeah, one thing that a friend of the show Mark Simon pointed out for sports info solutions this week is that Carlos grey is great at not making misplays which seems like something that might make you optimistic about how he'll age like a lot of his defensive Ackerman comes from not screwing up and that bobbling balls as opposed to not just getting to every ball, which maybe you would lose range over time more quickly than you would lose just sure handedness potentially. That's one possibility anyway. But yeah, the Dodgers, I was thinking about them because yes, they signed Noah syndergaard. They traded for JP fire ice and from the rays who sounds like you should have some sort of Game of Thrones related Song of Ice and Fire related nickname, actually. No center guard was in Game of Thrones for that matter.
Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"carlos gray" Discussed on Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"And that's how he got. You know what my mom has taken to saying, Ben? But I'm rounding to 40. Oh, no, you can't say that. Thank you. Look, allow me to say nothing wrong with being 40. Certainly, nothing wrong with being any H, right? That's not what we're, that's not the project. But also, it's not like change. It's not like rounding up to the next dollar to donate to charity when you check out somewhere. You can't charge me for a whole years of my life in advance. That's not how age works. Mom. Yeah. Anyway, she's already heard this rant, but she's like, well, you're rounding a 40. And I was like, I am doing no such thing. I am sitting squarely in 36. Thank you. Very much. Someone to say that about her, I don't know what she rents up to these days, but she went that same treatment. Yeah, see, this is the thing. One of the advantages to having a baby when you're a quite young person as my mom did is that she will always be too young, quote unquote, to have a daughter, my age, and I just keep getting older. So, yes. Square that circle, you know? Yeah. My pals at creme from the ringer he speculated that maybe bob had this tweet holstered in an advance in preparation for another signing. He thought that the Patriots or judge or Turner room ever that maybe he just had it in the drafts and decided to send it out there even though it was not actually accurate and then not retracted or corrected or anything anyway. That's one theory. The lack of deleting, I'm like, it's not like it's the Library of Congress. You can just so here's a question that this signing inspired in me that I wanted to ask you about. So your Carlos Correa. You're sitting there to be very, very rich. Yeah, congratulations. You're sitting at home on a Wednesday night. And in an American city that is not differentiated for many others, we have learned from your quotes. And contemplating Scott Boris puns about you. And you see this news come across the transom, right? And what do you think? Like if you are, if you are Carlos Correa and you are engaging with this news for the purposes of trying to recalibrate your expectations of your own market. Do you adjust your number up? Does it remain the same? It seems unlikely to adjust down even though another team is off the board because it's probably not one that you were really counting on in terms of signing you because again, the entire Padres team seems to be made out of shortstops. But what does it do for your expectations of your own contract? Because on the one hand, again, you probably didn't expect to be signed by the Padres because they have a surplus of shortstops as it is. And you probably may be already had the expectation that you would be the highest paid amongst the short stops. So your market has probably crept up maybe relative to where it was anyway just because of the deal the trade Turner got, but also one of the teams that likes to wild, namely the city of is off the board now. And so maybe even though you didn't expect to be signed by them, maybe part of you was like, well, you know, there's AJ, you know? That AJ. Right. Gets off to stuff. So if you were Carlos gray, how would you feel on this Thursday at three 20 p.m. my time? I don't know where, I don't know if he's home in Puerto Rico. I don't know where he is now. I don't mean creepy way. Wherever he is. Wherever he is, at whatever time it is. What are you thinking? Yeah. I feel pretty good. I mean, look at things seem to be going pretty well just in general in life for Carl's crea. Got a nice young growing family. He's very accomplished in his field. He is well compensated already and is about to be extraordinarily more so. So he's got a lot going for him. And I think having seen this news, I would think chichen, even more so than I was thinking already. The Dior store is not enough anymore, whatever the next step up from the Dior store is, this is going to have to be it because, yeah, the Padres are off the board now, but I didn't even know that they were on the boards. Or at least on this board. So it would be one thing if, say, the Giants had signed sander bogarts or the twins or any of the teams that are viewed as the leading contenders for cars crater, most in need of its services, then you could say, well, the market is maybe upward because I'm an even more desirable player, perhaps than Xander bogarts, but one of my suitors has now been removed from the courting process, but in this case, you can't even really say that. It's like the people who are interested in cars, most of them are still interested other than I guess the Phillies who landed Trey Turner already. So yeah, I would be feeling great. I mean, you know that the number is going to start with a three. Maybe you knew that already. But because you've seen bob's Twitter. Well, yeah. But now you've got to be thinking, I don't like how you're setting your sights on judge probably not quite, but split the difference between bogarts and judge, right? I mean, that seems like it should be about where cars create should be. And the Giants now having had the Padres upgrade and having missed out on judge and having all the money that is available to them, why would they not be breaking the bank for him, although I know that they've been linked to various other players as well. So just generally like everyone has to adjust their estimates and expectations up, we're just based on what we've seen in this market so far, but especially for mid tier starting pitchers and shortstops. Yeah. Do you think that the Giants maybe are playing like, what is our, what is our agreed upon number of dimensions to indicate beyond three? Do we have an agreed upon meme format for that by the way? I guess 40 chest open. 40 chests, people are still, they're still just playing 4D chest. I don't know how many D's umbrellas playing here. Many extra dimensions. A lot of jokes. I know. I can't make them. Are we not doing this? I knew I was walking right into that. Yeah, I just have a lot of I just have a lot of material that's got to stay. We are both BBW AA members despite the many things that we have said of this podcast. Hey, I think that I bring a certain something to the association, a spark, joie de vivre, that people appreciate generally. So know what I was going to say is, do you, this is like very galaxy brain of me. I'm playing some kind of chess that extends into additional dimensions. But like, do you think that maybe I was talking about this with someone before we started recording that and they broached the possibility that maybe the Giants kind of just were like happy to drive up the price on judge. Could be? Even if they were like they wouldn't have minded signing him to be clear. But like maybe they were like, you know, sure. Will either will either sign you or we'll put a team that has a big budget to sign you out of contention for other guys who we like. Yeah. Could be a thing. They're not direct competitors. The Yankees in the way that some teams are, but yeah, sure. I mean, if the Yankees had not gotten judged, then they would have had to pivot to signing some other players and perhaps the Giants could have had their eye on them. So yeah, you never know. So they should certainly be looking at crea and if not Correa, grant frisbee speculated it, he predicted the other day that it would be Hannah, this was after he had a girl signed, but Brandon nimmo, maybe they have a lot of options. You gotta be feeling pretty darn good at this point about your market. Much more so than last winter, which did not go Carlos Craig's way. That wasn't his fault though. What if they end up signing? We have other shows talk about, but what if they end up signing Carlos Correa and rhodon? Yeah. Is the is is the rodon Correa contract combined, is that just judge, you know? Like, are they just going to judge numbers if they've already indicated? More than total. Given the other pitcher contracts we've seen. He's going to be raising his sights too. So yeah, and in fairness to the Padres, I mean, not that we're slamming them here. If anything, congratulating them. But also somewhat puzzling over why this particular splurge.
Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"carlos gray" Discussed on Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"My pals at creme from the ringer he speculated that maybe bob had this tweet holstered in an advance in preparation for another signing. He thought that the Patriots or judge or Turner room ever that maybe he just had it in the drafts and decided to send it out there even though it was not actually accurate and then not retracted or corrected or anything anyway. That's one theory. The lack of deleting, I'm like, it's not like it's the Library of Congress. You can just so here's a question that this signing inspired in me that I wanted to ask you about. So your Carlos Correa. You're sitting there to be very, very rich. Yeah, congratulations. You're sitting at home on a Wednesday night. And in an American city that is not differentiated for many others, we have learned from your quotes. And contemplating Scott Boris puns about you. And you see this news come across the transom, right? And what do you think? Like if you are, if you are Carlos Correa and you are engaging with this news for the purposes of trying to recalibrate your expectations of your own market. Do you adjust your number up? Does it remain the same? It seems unlikely to adjust down even though another team is off the board because it's probably not one that you were really counting on in terms of signing you because again, the entire Padres team seems to be made out of shortstops. But what does it do for your expectations of your own contract? Because on the one hand, again, you probably didn't expect to be signed by the Padres because they have a surplus of shortstops as it is. And you probably may be already had the expectation that you would be the highest paid amongst the short stops. So your market has probably crept up maybe relative to where it was anyway just because of the deal the trade Turner got, but also one of the teams that likes to wild, namely the city of is off the board now. And so maybe even though you didn't expect to be signed by them, maybe part of you was like, well, you know, there's AJ, you know? That AJ. Right. Gets off to stuff. So if you were Carlos gray, how would you feel on this Thursday at three 20 p.m. my time? I don't know where, I don't know if he's home in Puerto Rico. I don't know where he is now. I don't mean creepy way. Wherever he is. Wherever he is, at whatever time it is. What are you thinking? Yeah. I feel pretty good. I mean, look at things seem to be going pretty well just in general in life for Carl's crea. Got a nice young growing family. He's very accomplished in his field. He is well compensated already and is about to be extraordinarily more so. So he's got a lot going for him. And I think having seen this news, I would think chichen, even more so than I was thinking already. The Dior store is not enough anymore, whatever the next step up from the Dior store is, this is going to have to be it because, yeah, the Padres are off the board now, but I didn't even know that they were on the boards. Or at least on this board. So it would be one thing if, say, the Giants had signed sander bogarts or the twins or any of the teams that are viewed as the leading contenders for cars crater, most in need of its services, then you could say, well, the market is maybe upward because I'm an even more desirable player, perhaps than Xander bogarts, but one of my suitors has now been removed from the courting process, but in this case, you can't even really say that.
Baseball Tonight with Buster Olney
"carlos gray" Discussed on Baseball Tonight with Buster Olney
"We all know what happened to Albert approval. So yeah, the history of players getting these contracts in their 30s is not good, but I hope judge bucks that trend. Okay, now that it's over, I can report this. The Giants, we knew we're going to get serious about judge, they inhabit a ballpark, about a hundred miles from where he grew up. But even within the Giants organization, all along, I think I know they felt that he probably was going to go back to the Yankees. So they'll spend now to a plan B, what do you think for the Giants moving ahead? And what phone calls should they make? Where should they focus? Well, we talked about this the other day where we both predicted Carlos Correa going to the Giants, especially if judge went back to New York, although we're hearing the Padres, apparently they want to spend some money buster, so I think they're going to be in on Carlos Correa, don't you. So it could be a West Coast battle for Carlos Correa, the twins are still maybe in that mix. But they need a hitter, no doubt. They need power in the lineup. All that offense they had in 2021, I think, was kind of a fluke, so they need a middle of the order hitter. They could use a shortstop Brandon Crawford getting old. He has one year left on his deal. So Carlos grey is the perfect fit for the Giants. Yeah. I would agree with you. I think that's where he's going to wind up. Although, you know, when we talk a lot about this on the podcast yesterday, the news that the Padres offered trade Turner, a record setting contract for a shortstop, you knew as soon as you heard that like, oh my God, the Padres are a factor in a way that we didn't expect. It's clear their owner Peter seidler doing everything Ken to win a championship. Yeah, Carlos Correa makes a lot of sense. And I think Xander bogarts makes a ton of sense. You know, the big concern about bogarts is he gets older because he's a big guy. As you know, physically is how good of a shortstop is he going to be, first of all, if you've got Fernando tattoos, junior coming back, so you could theoretically, if you're the Padres look at it and say, you know what, in a couple of years, is Bogart's ages. We could move into second base and he could play there. The other thing too is I look at bogarts if I'm the Padres and I say, I got made a Machado who might have as much more range than any third baseman in baseball playing that position. I think that's going to help bogarts. If he signed there in terms of dealing with these rules against defensive shifts, I love bogarts for the Padres. And he's going to be cheaper than Carlos Correa. Right. And keep in mind, Manny Machado has an opt out clause after next season, I believe. So you could theoretically move bulgars to third base if you needed to. And Bogart's buster, you look at his defensive metrics, had his best year last year. I don't know if that was a positioning thing or if he changed his game or what but he did have a very good year defensively last year, so even if he slowly declines, you're fine with him at shortstop for the short term with that bat. So it's a great fit, Padres. You can always use more offense. Man, imagine a lineup though with Bogart, sono Machado and tatis. Wow, that'll scare the Dodgers. Yeah, that would be really fun to watch that. Just as I tweeted out yesterday, you know, having heard that the Padres are getting aggressive and Jeff pass and reported this morning that judge flew into San Diego, met with the Padres. They were very, very serious about improving their team and that's really cool to think about what their lineup would be with a Correa with a Xander bogarts. I got to believe and again, I love deals like judges deal because there's so many ripples. If you're sitting in the Red Sox run office today, oh my God. Like, there has to be within the Boston front office right now, near panic. Yeah. Because it looks like in this game of musical chairs, there's a real chance that Xander bogarts is going to get a 182 $100 million. Maybe twice or twice as much or more than what the Red Sox offered him in the spring. Yeah, yeah, look, for whatever everybody's going for, not just judge and Turner, but you know, the pitchers, you know, we've seen their deals. Everybody's getting a little more money or in some cases a lot more money than we expected. So yeah, the Red Sox are not getting Xander bogarts for a 168 million, which is kind of the prediction at the start of the off season. I wouldn't shock me if he gets 200 million busters. So yeah, what are the Red Sox going to do? Because yeah, we're also seeing these pictures get signed up. So they might be that team left holding the bucket so to speak at the end and not get anybody they want and man, the pressure is on that organization to turn things around after last year. Well, and if I'm now the Chicago Cubs and I've got Jameson Tai on and it was Jeff and it was Jesse Rogers who reported that first last night. And I have Jameson tyone. I'm looking to make other upgrades. I'm going to land
Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"carlos gray" Discussed on Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"Doing okay. It was all right. This is the second time that you asked me that for full transparency here, just to pull back the curtain pit because Meg tried to commence small talk before we started recording, and I said, we got to save this for the episode. This is good stuff. How was your holiday? Giving that away. Before we even hit record, because this is what the week before the winter meeting. After Thanksgiving, maybe a little lull this week in baseball content. So maybe save the how was your holiday banter for the actual episode? How was your holiday vibe was nice? Yeah, it was lovely. Thank you for asking. I had an enjoyable time. It was a nice to get a little break. I personally, you know, one of my mom's traditions when I get to do the holiday with her is that she in a way that everyone is always very enthusiastic about and never tires of by the letter M, it asks people to go around the table and say, what they are. Thankful for. And we do it alphabetically and everyone gets, you know, you start with, you start with the letter a, you know, because that's the start of the alphabet bent and I don't know if you know that. And then you proceed alphabetically. So I'd like to share that one of the things I am grateful for is all of our friends and former colleagues who work in front offices who decided actually I like my family and I will decide not to transact on this the day before Thanksgiving or indeed really the day after I know there were some smaller signings, but like, you know, no one was like, you know what's a good day to sign Carlos grey Friday? They didn't do that. And I will say today, excellent day to sign Carlos grey. You know, I think pretty much every day between now and the start of spring training is indeed an excellent day for it, but I appreciate them deciding, no, last year we were really busy, but this year we have like a whole normal ass off season ahead of us, so we'll just kind of ease into the little amuse bouche that is Carlos Santana and proceed from there. It was a nice little respite, didn't do any work. There were some non revelatory rumors, perhaps. But that's about it. And some that were maybe a little bit revealing, but really, just not a lot of baseball content and I had two thanksgivings really because I had my family's side Thanksgiving and then my wife's family did Thanksgiving a couple days later. So I had two in a span of three days, I guess. And I don't have a whole lot of hot takes about Thanksgiving food, really. That is well trod territory, but I will say that having two traditional Thanksgiving meals in the span of three days. It's kind of a lot. Whatever you think of Thanksgiving food or traditional Thanksgiving foods in general. Yeah. I think the second time in three days, they lose a little bit of their charm. Yeah. Part of the nice thing about Thanksgiving food is that you really have that meal. Once a year, typically, and even if it's not your favorite, there's at least some novelty value associated with it. Sure, yeah. Not so much if you have two thanksgivings, but it was nice aside from that. And one of my thanksgivings had a similar tradition about going around the table. Not my favorite. I don't like participatory activities. I am always worried about being called on in settings. Don't want to participate generally if I go to a play and it's one of those plays where the cast members are like walking around in the audience and they might call you up to do something not my scene and famously in notoriously when I was a kid like in kindergarten or something I led this activity at Thanksgiving and I sang a little song about what I was thankful for and just like teat everyone up at the table to say what they were thankful for and so every year since then in the 30 years since then someone has brought up that little song I sang and made me remember that and jokingly asked if I was going to sing the song. We may have not sung the song, but this year my great aunt came up with a bunch of little slips of paper and put them in a hat and we passed them around and they all had adjectives and then we had to say something we were thankful for that was associated with that adjective. So that was our version of it this year. It's not my favorite. Yeah. I guess that's the point of the holiday or one of the points if it's not. Gorgeous yourself and your favorite? Well, giving thanks for things. Oh yeah, yeah. Or I guess it's really about seeing family and watching football and gorging yourself. But under the guise of being thankful for things. It's Thanksgiving themed. I don't love it, really. Yeah, you know, it tends to the enthusiasm around the participation intends to wane as the alphabet progresses. Because you know, well, it's a lot of pressure, and then you know, you're always sort of worried you're going to forget one of the people there, you know. You get to their letter of the alphabet and you're like, oh boy, you got to really get a remember everybody. Yeah. And I was just, they're stakes. They're surprising stakes for something that is really kind of silly, but you know. I'm not great at the alphabet. We talked on a Patreon episode once about how I wasn't great at telling time on analog clocks. And this is sort of in the same vein. I don't know, like my nursery or kindergarten school teachers must have been falling down on the job because these basic life skills I just never really mastered. The alphabet, if I don't start at the beginning, I'm lost. If you drop me down somewhere in the middle, in that GH K I J L range. I can get kind of lost in there. If I'm not doing it in this sort of sing songy start from a and just recite it from memory. And if I had to recite it backwards, which is a test that you give people sometimes. I'm pretty sure I'd be terrible at that too. I'd have to really think about it. I'd have to like do the whole 26 in my head from a every time. And then figure out what the second to last was in the third to last word was. So yeah, not great at the alphabet in general. So I might have struggled with that. Yeah, I would be bad at that, I think.
Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"carlos gray" Discussed on Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"Because in the moment, I guess the access that you had to that team was somewhat restricted and then writing a narrative about that season. There's still some question of how would the season have been different if it had been a 162 games? I don't think anyone doubts that Dodgers rasters greatness and in fact I meant that we didn't get to see how great it would be over the course of a full season. But how did that complicate ether, the reporting or the narrative structure? Yeah, it's a big element to work around for sure. I think that I was lucky to have been on the beat in the years before that, right? You would never have been able to do this at 2020 was the first season you were covering the team, right? Because I knew that some of the people around and whatnot was able to sort of follow functionally from afar for a while there. So when I think about 2020, I think about the start of the spring training before the pandemic reached our consciousness is already here, but we didn't realize it and it was such a contentious drama filled spring training in a really strange way with the Astros ball out. There was like a week there where it was essentially like covering a wrestling or like politics and that people were just fighting back with words and not with anything else. And it was a strange it was such a strange time. I mean, you know, Carlos gray had told Cody Bellinger to shut the F up and all of that. It was an entertaining oddly entertaining time, then it all shut down. And so following it from afar was not necessarily fun, but from a personal perspective, obviously it was, not that anyone cares about that. I enjoyed being home for the first time, you know, during the summer. So it was interesting going back and revisiting it the next year, I would say that what happened, there was there was so little on the ground reporting of the 2020 Dodgers as it happened. Just like for every team. But that left me a lot of ground to till the next year, and nobody had really reported about what it was like to be in the bubble at the time because it was, you know, we weren't really allowed to talk to them. There weren't incentivized to talk to us in any way. So it was basically easy to go back and add some colors, what I should is how I should put it. And learn a little bit more about what the bubble was like. I'm not sure how much people actually care about that in retrospect, but we'll see. I tried to add some context to that monthlong stretch to the dogger spent there. And I think just because it led to it led to history. To your question, Ben, like how good could they have been and how much does it count because it was one 62? I can't say I really spent any time at all on that in the book just because it's unanswerable, right? What good does it really serve to explore that in any detail? But I would just say it allowed the strangeness in 2020 allowed me to go back and kind of have it was as close to a blank slate as you'll have with the championship team, right? There just wasn't a ton out there about that month where they were in Texas. Can't take consideration of hypotheticals away from us. That's all we have on this podcast. I mean, that's what you guys do well. I'm not a great hypothetical person. Remain in the realm of reality. Well, that's good. Keep your feet on the ground unlike us sorting off into hypothetical land. So the subtitle, as I noted, is how to beat a broken game. How did you think about sort of towing the line between being, I guess, a realist about the way the sport is played now and documenting, as you said, maybe some of the changes that have not been so thin, friendly, without coming off as doom and gloom and baseball is dying and being basically a baseball grump to use the term that Meg has used to describe some broadcasters who spend much of their air time just to lamenting the way the sport is worse or different from how it was when they played. So, you know, presumably some people are coming to your book because they love baseball. So they don't want it just to be nonstop baseball is bad now and the Dodgers broke it. But also maybe some people are coming to this to figure out how we got here and what the potential solutions could be. Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's a great question and it was probably the central one that I wrestled with in the book is you don't want to read something that's you're reading this because you have some passion for it. Pretty much universally, I would be surprised if somebody's not interested deeply interested in baseball and is trying to read this book. So what I would say to them is I love baseball too and part of our jobs as journalists. I'm stretching here a little bit. It's this sort of shepherded and try to, I don't want to overstate what we're doing here, but almost be like a watchdog of sorts in terms of following what is changing and the negative impacts of it as it unfolds. And so it's like the way you would care for anything that you loved is that you'd like to see a very valuation of what is good and what is bad. And this is certainly not a doom and gloom book. I don't think, you know, there are parts of it that are. I think the parts that warrant it, but there are plenty of parts that are celebrating what is great about the game and the exceptional athletes at the heart of it and a good portion of the top half of it is about the players involved in leading the daughters to this street breaking this World Series win. And so it's a celebration of them. I mean, I think chiefly. And then it's an examination of why, given how great they are at this game, why the game is still less entertaining than it used to be..
Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"carlos gray" Discussed on Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"Hello. Has this week been wilder than the week or two leading into the lockout? Because those were busy times too, but this is wild. This is wild. I'm struggling to remember that part. That was a whole lockout ago. I know. An entire lockout has happened between then and now I think in some respects, that was crazier because, you know, like seeker one. And that was like a $300 million contract, and we had, you know, we had the wander Franco extension. That was huge. You know, Marcus Simeon signed. And sure, yeah, yeah. You know what I forgot about? That. Totally forgot that happened. And that's like just a member of the MLBPA bargaining committee. He pitches too. Yeah, the mets remade half their roster. And so in some ways, it feels like that was crazier just because of the magnitude of some of those moves. You know, we saw so many of the very, very top guys come off the board, like Robbie ray signed and, you know, also Jacob stallings got traded. Those are equivalent moves. That's the stuff happened. There was all of this. There was all this stuff that happened, but also I think that just the sheer volume in a compressed time feels at least comparable and the magnitude of the trades that we have seen is more meaningful, I think. And so it's been kind of wild, but it's been a lot of fun. Yeah, yeah, we knew it was going to be a sprint up until opening day. I compared it at some point during the lockout to the lightsaber fight, the duel of the fates at the end of The Phantom Menace when there's a little lull in the fight and the energy barriers come down and everyone is just pacing around and you know that there's going to be a climactic finale following at some point and some people are going to win and some people are going to lose and some teams are going to get cut in half and all of those things have happened and it has totally delivered on that score. So we're trying to record during a brief lull between transactions here late on Thursday afternoon. We will see if we actually make it through an episode without a major move. But we have a ton to talk about it. It took us an hour and a half last time just to catch up and now we've got another full episodes worth of transactions to dissect and discuss. So it's like we're taking on water here. We're just trying to bail out as fast as we can to avoid sinking under the weight of all of these moves. But wait, what a joy just to be able to talk about baseball stuff. Ramifications. Yeah. And I actually wrote about baseball for the first time in a while. That's how busy things have gotten. What? I know that you've had your hands full coordinating the fang GRAS staff, which is covered every move of any kind of consequence. I mean, not every not every single one. Almost. A good many of them were wrapping up on a couple of things that we have yet to get to, but there are a few and far between, so. Well, we won't get to every minor move, and we will snub some relievers today as we did last time apologies to the utility and fielders out there. But we'll get to the big ones. And I do have a few general baseball observations, but maybe we can backload those and save those for the end of the episode and just get straight to the meat and the heart of the transactions because Carlos gray is still out there. There are still good free agents and trade targets to be had, but a lot of big names have come off the board since we last spoke. So I guess we could start with Freddie Freeman who. Sure. I can't believe you don't want to start with the craziest transaction we've seen this entire season. We could also start with Chris Bryant. I don't say to say that I completely hate this. I mean, I know that the consensus is that it is weird. And I agree with that part of the consensus, but I'm here to defend. All right. Let's do it. Yeah, people probably want to know our rockies take, although I can assume they would guess some of them in anticipate some, but yeah, Chris Bryant to the rockies for a $182 million. So much money. It is quite a lot of money. And I was going to start with Freeman because I figured, well, it probably has more playoff implications. But the bright side, I mean, once Freeman did not resign with the braves once he was supplanted by Matt Olson, which was sort of a shocker as we discussed last time, it seemed likely that Freeman would land with the Dodgers at no point would I say it seemed likely that Chris Bryant would sign with the rockies until the moment that that news was announced. But that happened and as usual, the rest of the baseball world has spent the intervening time trying to play that popular game. What are the rockies thinking? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, when I say that I'm here to defend Chris Bryant's honor, here's what I mean by that. So I thought that the reaction to this signing was very interesting because on the one hand, yes, it is so the rockies of it all. It's just right there for you. It's such an easy, it's so easy to grab onto that and run with it because it's, you know, it's the rockies. They make it simple. But I found the reaction to be really interesting because I think that we should use it to think about how we assess behavior in the present compared to behavior in the past because obviously when you have recently traded a Nolan Arenado and $51 million to boot. And then you go and spend a lot of money on a guy who also plays third base some of the time it's going to be it's going to be natural to compare them. But this is a different regime, not an entirely different regime. There's a lot of common DNA here, right? But this is in theory. Multiple members of this regime have manfort DNA, actually. I don't know why, but I found that way of describing it very icky, bad. I didn't like it. I didn't like it at all. I found it on settling..
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"carlos gray" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"Room. But yes i got you a shirt from snake. Wear and you're gonna wear it only way. High agreed to do this podcast. Sergio more is here. Junior middleweight champion zone broadcaster. Back can't get enough of me. Mannix me two times in one week either. Nobody wants to be on your podcast. Or i'm that good. Well i'm it takes so long to get you to commit to doing these things like you are literally two doors down and it took ninety minutes for me to get you to come over here and tapes. I had no clothes on and put my clothes on. I'm here right now. You look like you're wearing your son's clothes right now. I got the fastest thing. I could come on man. Let's talk box. Let's talk when we're here for the verge ortiz. Mo- hooker fight this weekend but before we get into that last weekend we had a great fight with chocolate. Tito estrada up chuckle took solace in one francisco estrada hundred and fifteen pound title unification fight and the fight lived up to its expectations back and forth a good action the end result unfortunately something we see in boxing all too often where judge carlos gray scored the fight one seventeen one eleven for one francisco estrada. That's a scorecard..