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"carl sagan" Discussed on Progressive Talk 1350 AM
"Science writer Carl Sagan was one of those people he was an optimist when it came to the family paradox he believed that life was out there we just hadn't found it yet Cygan pointed to evidence from the fossil record that here on earth life began as early as five hundred million years after the years for it's almost like it was waiting to emerge and since it emerged quickly here on earth it stands to reason that life should emerge were ever gets the chance anywhere in our universe when you take into account the idea that there are perhaps three hundred billion stars in the Milky Way alone even if some small fraction of those have habitable planets that could host life then we should expect to encounter it sometime soon as we spread out to explore the countryside around planet earth but there's a problem with basing our view of the rest of the universe on our own existence the idea that we can gain insight into our universe from our existence is called the anthropic principle and it's vulnerable to a logical fallacy called selection bias being the only intelligent life in the universe we're the only data point in our dataset and so we tend to skew the results a little bit it's hard to resist the temptation of cherry picking the data when there's only one chair yes of course life can arise our very existence proves that fact but what it does not prove is that the emergence of intelligent life or any life really is easy or inevitable what is instead life emerging in our universe is really really really hard perhaps.
Robust Fit to Nature
"I enjoy bringing neurologists on the show from time to time as I'm going to do today. In invariably I work in some sort of question about how different the brain is from the machine approach to intelligence. How apples to oranges? These things are in many ways that's fair, and we may eventually develop Agi in some exotic way that bear similar resemblance to our existence, just a computational process that exhibits this property called consciousness who knows but as often as I say it's apples to oranges. It's I. Don't know honey crisp to gala or Fujita red. Delicious Carl Sagan said about Apple Pie the point being that. If you frame it this way, the brain is a highly over parameter. Is the machine yet? It's still learns pretty well. We also have artificial machines that are highly over parameter. That's a complication for us there, so maybe just maybe there's a roadmap somewhere in here and things like evolution in urology can point the way forward. Along. This week on the show. I'm talking to reassign one of the authors on the paper, robust fit to nature, an evolutionary perspective on biological and artificial neural networks. Can't. My name is Alexa. I'm Apple Festival. Neil scientists. According to Department at Princeton, university, or can you tell us a little bit about your specific interest? Within neuroscience, we study out the human brain function in the real world, severely using naturalistic setups and care a lot about our people communicate the thought people, non woods and neuroscience and fields. I may be more familiar with like computer, science and machine learning. Certainly, there's some overlap and collaboration, but we're not known for collaboration per. Se yet I know for meeting some of your papers in particular the. The robust fit to nature paper. We're going to discuss. You have a strong fluency in these tools, so I want to ask you. At what point did you become interested in machine learning so relatively recently, I was saying the last five to ten years. What is unique about my? We understand other brain is operating in life, not realistic setups, so we really don't usually use a lot of the control experiment that are used in cognitive sokaia Daniel signs so most of the modeling and competition. Competition Walk in our food was not given to us because it was never applied to listrik setups excitedly sounded like a black tool in in Messina attention to have modest that sort of cognitive problems. For example you have minded cocoon is faces as good as humans. Instead they ask why these like new models are coming out of fill in computer science. Oh, by companies start to slow cognitive problems in life and second to ask out of this mother's relevant to kneel. Scientists are quality. There's. There's a lot of I. Suppose perspectives on this. Certainly the way of human learns in the way machines currently learned I guess some similarities, but they're quite different. Are we even in a place where we can have strong discussions about this, or is there something exotic Lee apples to oranges about the way machines in the human brain work? It's a good question I think. If you ask most of the people in my field, they will say well, not so, what actually really relevant to in? Kings? It was so different and if you look at the Tilles, that people use now to think about the way and psychology and cognitive functions it will also look very different. But the more we looked into this modernist related, actually that they might be to the same family of models as human brain and amusing details, family of models to say that the obviously a lot of differences between biological networks in official neural networks, but we now think that they might belong to the same family of and broadly speaking. What is that family? Can we characterize it in some mathematical way? We. Can I take what unique about? It down models. What is the time to act down model? The title understand and let me explain if you think about go back to the example of faces face net is a model tied to give the proper name, the Labor of the name of the face. We Batticaloa image. If you think about language modern, it's modern to predict the next world in sentence or complete a sentence if you think about driving a car. To drive, so if you think I'm GonNa, sit downing. It's what I to act in performance. Pacific function and they don't think down what a tight to understand the world. To Act in the world, and we stopped to think that the brain also have is like when without desire to act now brain designed to acting six and not designed to understand the situation, and this is very different perspective. Perspective of must people in our field I think actually the to understand other lengths factor so I will give you an example Devesh simple example in I. think it will help us to think let's say I. Five Thousand Points that will simple from Pablo, if a student of mine will come we ten thousand parameters to predict it's like. Like ten thousand nine points or not scientist. He didn't gain any understanding, Abud, on the next track so I really unappreciated if he understood that Pablo can be monitored by CLAMATO.
Listener Mail: An Appreciation for of Cultural Perspectives
"Well maybe we should I take a look at this e mail we got from Ming Now This was in response to our episode. M I B or in IB. I think this was to be feature this from the vault recently. I think we did. I believe we dared. Yeah Yeah So. This episode Concerned similarities underlying traditional paranormal experiences that people attribute to supernatural forces like the Devil. And then you know mid to late twentieth century experiences of the so-called men in black. Or what could be the you know what could be the common underlying psychology and stuff like that With those two types of experiences so essentially we're talking about the ways that ufo beliefs might spring from the same wells is more traditional religious or supernatural beliefs and toward the end of the episode. I think I wondered out loud if there is any modern folklore in Chinese culture similar to the alien abduction in men in black complex in in American culture. I couldn't find any evidence of that but I asked a listeners if they knew of anything like that and so in response. We got this great message from Ming. Ming says hi again Robert Joe. Hope you're both doing well and staying safe inside during this crazy time. Your playlists have been powering me. Through my work. From home days here in Toronto I wanted to write in after listening to the MIT or in IB EPISODE. Again as your conversation about aliens. Mib and what it'd be like In other cultures reminded me of Fu- fun thoughts. I'm not an ancient alien person but I do like to speculate in the name of science fiction and lower Growing up Chinese. I've also fed off of legends and myths of Asia. There's an idiom in Chinese that literally translates to heavenly clothes have no seams but figuratively describes things that are perfect. Flawless and seamless the story behind the idiom was written during the five dynasties and relates that a poet napping outside one night so heavenly figure descending from the skies. She was beautiful in her clothes were glowing. She introduced herself as the Weaver Girl. From the myth of the cowherd in the weaver girl and he noticed that her clothes had no seems when he asked about it. She simply answered. That clothes in heaven are made perfectly do not require stitching and therefore have no seems going off the aliens idea. It's fun to imagine if she had been alien and was wearing some kind of seamless body. Suit that aliens are often Kitted out with in movies to further link it to aliens in space. The weaver girl is the Chinese name. For the star Vega. The cowherd is in alter Which makes me wonder if she'd meant She was from Vega instead of actually being Vega or the weaver girl. Oh like she was from Vega which is great because Vega is where the alien radio signal comes from in. Carl Sagan's contact oh but Back to Ming's message There's also another piece of lore about Chinese legends that loosely relates to the theory of relativity a day in the heavens a year on earth protagonists of stories who were mortal or earthly to start with often. Find out too late that once they ascend to the heavens a single day up in the sky means a year has passed down on earth so the mortal family they once had were all gone by the time they've managed to finish the task. They needed to do up in the heavens. I've read some discussion in Chinese about this. Some people think that the concept came about because ancient people understood that time passes differently depending on perception but a great many who were into fi or the ancient alien troopers. Believe this is possible. Proof that an ancient people understood the theory of relativity because someone somewhere had experience with space travel. Anyway these stories have some very loose ties to things you spoke about in the episode beings descended from the heavens or space ancient alien sleep related phenomena. So thank you both for reminding me of these interesting if stray thoughts. Thank you also for pulling in threads from other cultures while discussing many of your topics it may seem a small act for you but it really enriches the podcast experience for people of other cultures. Keep doing what you do and much love from Toronto. Ming Awesome. Well that was a wonderful male. Obviously love to hear about a multicultural samples of some of the topics we've discussed and the other one was Was a real treat because I guess for me when I'm hearing this. It reminds me a lot of what. I'm pretty sure we discussed in that particular episode. The idea that like an incubus or sucky boatswain in various European traditions would have like a telltale flaw like goat feed or duck feet or something like that They would allow an individual to realize they were dealing with something that is not quite human and in a way this is a version of that right instead of a fly to perfection and like too much. Perfection is kind of a flaw in any sort of design that is allowing inhuman entity passes human. Yeah and I also really like this idea of ancient approximations of relativity now. Obviously I don't think it's very likely that that ancient Chinese people had experience with aliens or space travel. But I do think that relativity is one of those interesting things where you can intuit kind of General version of the theory just from experience of subjective experience of life right like you don't actually know that you know that the That mass or velocity alters space time you know or makes a you know extends or contracts space time you do at least know that time doesn't always feel like it flows at the same rate. Yeah you would. You would have some idea that that toiling in the soil Seems to take all day whereas just you know a an hour of pleasure seems to pass by in a moment so it seems reasonable that there would be the base acumen experience of of relativity. They'd be able to draw on and then working to some sort of You know a mythological structure but I do also like at this idea how there are myths of people going up into the heavens and then experiencing this time dilation It reminds me of like the scene in In interstellar where they have to go down to the planet that's very close to the black hole in the you know for them. They're down there for like twenty minutes or whatever but they come back to their Their their friend and colleague up in the space station. That's been orbiting it in for him. It's been twenty years.
Explaining Occam's Razor
"Today we're going to discuss a problem solving principle that many of you probably heard of and we've we've definitely referenced on the show before and that is autumn's razor that's right. It's it's one of the classics one of the hits of like the skeptical toolkit and I think it's a really one to get into because it's something that is widely known but in different ways and often To whatever extent it actually does have value. It often gets deployed in ways that do not actually make use of its value right like like an actual razor blade. It may be misused from time to time. Yes now. What one specific place that. I know we've talked about it before. Is that is in the context of Carl? Sagan's recommendations for the the tools of skeptical thinking he these out and one of them is autumn's razor. He writes all comes razor this convenient rule of thumb urges us when faced with two hypotheses that explain the data equally well to choose the simpler. Okay now why did we end up talking about this today? We we were in the studio the other day Discussing upcoming episodes. And you said that. Seth had mentioned this our producer Seth Yeah. I was in here and set a nickel Johnson was working on. A crossword puzzle was at the New York. Times he tells us it was the New York Times And he he asked me how to spell. Autumn is in razor and I took a guess at it and I can't I can't remember. I was correct. I was probably wrong but also probably hit one of the multiple acceptable spell things for razor But anyway we started talking about it and I was like. Oh Yeah we we could do that as an episode and so here we are. I'm very glad we picked this because I think one of my personal favorite genres of of critical thinking is is being skeptical about the tools of skepticism. You know is sometimes people who identify skeptics can ca- can I get a little cocky. You know they get a little too sure of themselves about what the reasoning tools they use and it's worth putting those tools to the test. Giving them a closer look. Yeah absolutely now I have to say I definitely remember. The first time I encountered the concept of outcomes raise or at least the first time I encountered it and it on some level stuck with me and that was when viewed the Nineteen ninety-seven film adaptation of Carl Sagan's novel contact the movie. I can't watch without crying. Oh Yeah Yeah Yeah well. Why does it make you cry? Oh God there's no point especially the first part where you know it. Zooms out from the earth and you're hearing the radio signals go back in time and then and then it shows the young. L. E. Airway experimenting with the Ham Radio and her dad's helping her and get so emotional. Yeah Yeah it's it's been a very long I. I haven't seen it since initially came out and in fact the main thing I remember from it is seen in which jodie foster's character. Eleanor Airway has having this conversation with Matthew mcconaughey as character. Who How old was Matthew mcconaughey at this point? I don't even know how old he is. Now is this ageless demon but anyway. Here's this character He's scared Palmer. Joss in the scene in question foster's character brings up autumn's razor in a discussion on the nature of God she. She says well which is ultimately the simpler hypothesis that an all powerful God exists or the human beings made got up in order to feel better about things and then this ultimately comes back around is kind of flipped on her later on film regarding her characters encounter with an extraterrestrial intelligence right. Is it more likely that she really had the experience? She thinks she had with With all these aliens or that. She like hallucinated. Something that would give her emotional closure. Yeah and so. Yeah I think I was in high school at the time so it was. It was interesting concept especially in the context of of atheism verses of faith in a creator deity inserted to suddenly have this tool from the chest. Skeptical thinking just thrown up on the table and you and seemingly used by both sides. Well Yeah I think this is funny. This is a great example because it highlights some of the most common features of all comes razor as it is actually used to like. It's often invoked in a kind of fuzzy way without an objective measure Just kind of invoked to back up your intuitions about the probability of something right but another thing is that this example shows how. It's not always easy to find a way to compare the simplicity of two different propositions like is the existence of God a simple hypothesis or a complicated one that I think that really depends on kind of how you feel about it like like what kind of objective measure can you come up with to evaluate that question right. It's GonNa depend so much on your like your background your culture what you grew up with. And you know how you how you've come to view the possibility of Of God's existence. Is it just kind of the bedrock of your your worldview or is it this thing from the outside that you are contemplating and also how do you view it at like the coherence of the idea? Do you view it as something. That's like That's full of all these little kind of ad hoc accommodations or something that is a holistic coherent Sort of like fact about nature. Yeah you know I it's I I think this is a perfect example. That shows like win. People used the idea volumes razor in a way that is not helpful and doesn't really doesn't really get you any closer to figuring out what's true now if you're if you're still questioning what the concept really means. Don't worry we will get to some. I think some very understandable examples of how it can be a used properly and used improperly. But let's go ahead and just start about the concept itself the the word autumn You know where this comes from. We'll get to the origins of autumn's razor so Oxfam's razor is also known as the principle of parsimony and parsimony means a tendency towards cheapness or frugality. So I like that. It's like the principle of parsimony is like you. You want to be cheap with your with your logic right yeah. I don't need more than two steps of logic between me and the solution. Don't give me one with four or five. And it was named after the Medieval English philosopher William of autumn. Of course William of Arkham So he he lived in the thirteenth and fourteenth centuries from twelve eighty five to either thirteen seven or thirteen forty nine. I've seen different death dates given forum. I've seen different birthdates as well. Eighty seven twelve. Eighty eight looking at That's interesting so he was a prolific scholar. Franciscan friar we'll get more into his ideas in a minute. I you know one thing I've always wondered is where the heck is awesome. I've never heard of that. Well yeah because the word sound has kind of like a remoteness to it. It sounds alien in some ways. Autumn is very much a real place. It is a rural village. In Surrey England. You can look it up online. You can find that the website for the church in Oxfam for example and this area has been occupied since ancient times. It's about a day's ride south west of London and it was the birthplace of the individual who'd come to be known as William Volume now beyond that beyond the fact that he was born here. We don't know a lot about William's life We don't know what his social or family background was or if his native language was French or Middle English. As Paul Vincent Spadea explains in the Cambridge companion to Arkham he was likely given over to the Franciscan order as a young boy. Before the age of fourteen and here Latin would have quickly become his language of not only writing but also just conversation Grey Friars Convent in. London was likely his home convent but later he traveled he visited Avalon he visited Italy and he lived the last two decades of his life in Germany. Now philosophically William was a Nominal List and spayed writes that the two main themes of this for William were the rejection of universals and ontological reduction in these two teams are are not necessarily interconnected like you can you. Could you could believe in one but not the other and vice versa but basically like let's get into what these mate so the first rejection of universals is perhaps best considered and this is very brief and broad Certainly you can find so much written in instead on this topic but basically think of it as a rejection of the tonic idea of the realm of forms. So that idea that all chairs that we might make design and carve a symbol are an attempt to create the perfect chair which doesn't reside in our world but only resides within this realm of forms. So all chairs that we create our like an aspiration for the ideal chair another way. I've thought about it at least as I understood it was. The nominalism is kind of the idea that there is no such thing as a chair. There's only this chair and that chair in this chair over here. There is no chair right like this. This is the kind of the situation gets too. When you you get into the genre classifications of say albums artists or movies. You care a great deal about and someone tries to limit it to a classification and say oh well that's classic rock where that's alternative rock near like. No no no no no. Don't don't try and fit there is there. Is these categories. Do not apply. There is there is only you know whatever. Your band of choice happens to be. There is only tool. There is only primis or whatever right there yeah there. There is only things not category right. Now let's move onto the second theme here. Ontological reduction this is as Britannica defines it quote the metaphysical doctrine that entities of a certain kind are in reality collections or combinations of entities of simpler or more basic kind. I think your classic example here is molecules atoms. Yeah so another example. Here's while our aristotle defined ten categories of objects that might be apprehended by a human mind. These would have been translations vary on on how you wanted to find these but substance quantity quality relative place time attitude condition action and affection. William cut these down to two substance and quality. He's really getting in there. That's the razor. That's what a razor Dutt. Cia slices away. It cuts off the fat and gets down to the meat. Spayed writes quote. Although these two strands of thinking are independent. They are nevertheless often viewed as joint effects of a more fundamental. Concern the principle of parsimony known as Oxfam's razor okay. So we're getting to the razor. Yeah so William. Devoted a lot of energy to arguing against What spade calls the bloated onto logical in inventories of his contemporaries and became well known to his peers for this as such either towards the end of his life or shortly after his death a kind of greatest hits album came out on his thoughts and ideas titled On the Principles of Theology? Now it wasn't actually by William of Arkham but it featured his doctrine as well as verbatim quotes there is no ascribed author either so later generations would often just attribute it to him as well as the notion of outcomes razor however the specific phrase was apparently never actually used by him. He never said autumn in the house. I'M GONNA get the razor out and started carving on some some some some some ideas
The radical experimenters: a rapper, a poet, and a biological artist
"The first three minutes of the universe doesn't expansion simultaneously Teini Asli everywhere not zero second but close the first hundred of a second hotter than the hottest star blew hot bruting rooting halt. The nor Smith Says Earth was not found or heaven above but in a yawning gap. That was grasp but no way there were no vikings kings. No Vanilla no lampshades but there was Lego like for life in the first three minutes of the universe everything started added to come together. ferment began to develop lips to form the word poem. one-star dreamed of turning away and now they're just so it could have time. I'm to shape clay. The universe became a rogue gallery of Jigsaw fighting for space and in quiet moments. Mango juice squeezed from the heavens and sparkled like Shaq suits. There was the first spoonful of the CARTWHEEL GALAXY N G C one. Three six five with its. Jim Like bots spiraled wills sentence hyperion Jupiter's moons pulsars born cramping the styles of the middle. I molecules began collecting just so that the wood Po Quaid could be part of this missing in the first three minutes of the universe. Atoms rose dancing and just like the poet. Rumi said they were dancing like madmen. Happy on miserable and they just kept on dancing lover. Melvin poet and performer Alicia. Sometimes there with her pace the first three minutes of the universe and Tesha Mitchell joining you for science friction. We're at this end of the universe you are about to in Canada. I eight poetry cosmos a biological artist who grows organisms as living artworks and a rat performer. Whose lyrics ricks pulse site with? Science Professor Oren Katz is co-founder of the Tissue Culture and art project and director of the University of Western. Australia's influential art. Science lab symbiotic. Baba Brinkman is a new york-based rep performer and playwright whose awesome Rep God's to science audits range from climate change to consciousness and Alicia sometimes is most recent show. Particle wave gathered audiences under planetarium dimes times. These three creative experiment is pushing the elastic boundaries of both at n science and shared a stage at the quantum words festival in Perth. Recently cently he's Aleisha reflecting on those first three minutes. What we want to do when we passion about and scientists connect with an audience? And I I have that problem I'm full of hyperbole and scientists aren't and I love that about them and they care about the mess they care about the facts and I hear all that and I read all that and then I'm just like oh his blitz. He's some poetry so I remember Reading Steven Weinberg's book the first three minutes of the universe and it's full of great fact so this was my interpretation mango juice squeezing from the heavens technically correct Richt by the way the physicists would disagree in that universe buddies taking a obviously a poetic license. But that's what I as a poet what I can never find the right words and the reason the movie dirty dancing connected so well with me. Is that moment. That one of the main characters is carrying a watermelon win and she goes up to Patrick swayze who she likes and says. I carried a watermelon. And that's all she can say and that is what I am like so often. I can't find the exact words and I love that about science that they can find words really matter and in a scientific communication or scientific paper hyper words mean everything but I love as a poet. I can sort of pie around with that and Taika Pot. Isn't it interesting that you draw contrast because as I often think when I'm reading your work that infect poetry and science scherer conciseness and brevity of language precision each word gets placed with intent. And yet your thinking of the relationship is quite contrasted. I totally understand what you're saying. And Brevity is so true and as a poet and I'm sure poets in the audience. They can understand this. Every word matters this and carries it's white but the thing is how do you communicate dark matter. Or how do you communicate Nebula something in biology or does I mean I can never find the right words. I love in contact. A film inspired by. Carl Sagan's book by the same. I'm Nice Cellular pinup boy. I'm so glad it was there. I didn't know you were gonNA talk about him. When demon haunted world is such an important political inspiring because well the Jodi foster character Elliott Airway says when she's thrust into space they should have center poet and finally why Korea I get to go in space so maybe on Amazon or something? I'll get to go just to ago. Mango juice everywhere. Do you feel like you could take sides. Or is that that's not your raisin for you all the Wanda I'm about to wonder in storytelling. I do understand that sometimes the failure of can you just beautifying science and that is somehow not enough and and that's why I love what so many people do is they take it apart in question and what aren was hanging is just so incredible what they do but I yes yeah so just like the storytelling and I really need to communicate it to audiences so they can just take away a little bit of wondering their pocket full of wonder. Hey John Adams Americans said you never learn if you have a poet in your pocket. I just loved that I said what are you trying to do with. I've seen your show particle wave. which takes you inside a planetarium? Describe it for people but also what you're hoping to do with that piece it's musical visual Poetic Extravaganza yes. I loved canvas of the Planetarium Dome and from when I was young and a lot of you would feel feel the Siamese diaby lie back. And you've got this gorgeous. Almost three sixty canvas above you and so I wanted to use that canvas to sell tell held. The story of gravitational waves got to work with a lot of scientists and I recorded a lot of scientists and I want the general public to coming and have a sense of awe four so it mixes poetry music visuals just to tell the story from general relativity some black holes look lookit to kill an and just sort of pint pitcher and I want people to come out and say well I might go read up on that but I had a science instinct come in an eighteen year old. He said that she walked in wanting to do chemistry and came out wanting to do gravitational wave astronomy. And I'm like my works done. That's enough poet delicious. Sometimes there when you think about rap song lyrics what comes to mind politics. Maybe six drugs love last year. American crime and punishment. Absolutely what about science though not really well here as Baba Brinkman canadian-born and and married to a neuroscientist at some point these graduate in comparatively chat court the science bug big time and he's now a renowned science communicate through he's rap gods to things like climate change evolution human nature religion and culture my first rap theater popularisation project CHAUCER's Canterbury Tales and a An evolutionary biologists in England saw that and he said good job. Now do you think you could do for Darwin. What you did for Chaucer and the first time I was introduced to do a performance which was at the Darwin Bicentennial Mark Pailin? The biologist introduced me by saying. Don't worry I checked his lyrics. You're about to witness the first ever rap performance. That's peer reviewed house like peer reviewed rap. That's the best idea ever confession. Spend my whole life perplexed. By Religiousness Front doorstep debating with Jehovah Witnesses I was a teenaged empirical thinker a spiritual seeker obsessed with rap. I considered it liberal research. This was the medium the Daca thinking speaking flipping ridiculous speech over beats like every weekend weekend my CD collection became my personal gospel. I wasn't apostle I think part of it was an unexpected side effect of doing science. This communication rap projects and that side effect was that I became way more gangster rapper
"carl sagan" Discussed on Progressive Talk 1350 AM
"Astronomer and science writer Carl Sagan was one of those people he was an optimist when it came to the fair me paradox he believed that life was out there we just hadn't found it yet Sagan pointed to evidence from the fossil record that here on earth let's begin as early as five hundred million years after the years for it's almost like it was waiting to emerge and since it emerged quickly here on earth it stands to reason that life should emerge were ever gets the chance anywhere in our universe when you take into account the idea that there are perhaps three hundred billion stars in the Milky Way alone even the some small fraction of those have habitable planets that could host life then we should expect to encounter it sometime soon as we spread out to explore the countryside around planet earth there's a problem with basing our view of the rest of the universe on our own existence the idea that we can gain insight into our universe from our existence is called the anthropic principle in its vulnerable to a logical fallacy called selection bias being the only intelligent life in the universe where the only data point and our data set and so we tend to skew the results a little bit it's hard to resist the temptation of cherry picking the data when there's only one chair yes of course life can arise our very existence proves that fact but what it does not prove is that the emergence of intelligent life or any life really is easy or inevitable what is instead life emerging in our universe is really really really hard perhaps.
Ross and Carrie Meet Nick Little: Homeopathic Lawsuit Edition
"Hello and welcome Ndo no Ross. And Carrie the show where we don't just report on for in science spirituality and claims of the paranormal but take part ourselves Yup when they make claims we show up. So you don't have to. I'm nick little. I'm Carrie. Poppy I as well to nick little. I'm spartacus the lawyers in the room. Thinks on his feet I guess. No we have a special guest today. Nick little welcome tone arising thank you good to be here. I pleasure you met nick in Las Vegas yes at Sei con and then again here in Los Angeles shortly thereafter and and Nick was giving an excellent talk about a fight against homeopathy. But Nick has a very special position as the sole lawyer I am. CF is legal department. Yes yes this is at now center for inquiry. Yeah we talk about CFI every now and then on the show we all talk about the CFI the investigations group wing of that. I've been involved with for many many years and our first episode was recorded at the old. CF I- office and guess what we are now at the new CFI office which is still in La but now on Temple Street yeah come on by visit. There's going to be lectures all kinds of stuff. And that's at least that the old one that's where Kerry and I I met that's right club a club. I'm now co lead of that Book Club. We still meet every month if anybody's in L. A.. And wants to come talk about. Books is trying to get people to your book. I am absolutely the more the Mary Nick. How long have you been working with just over six years? I think it was six years in September that I started. And how did they lure you in. I'd like to give this sort of great story about how you know. I was led by the heart and emotion to the nonprofit world but I'll to law school I worked for a a big law. Firm represented fortune five hundred companies and received obscene paychecks. So doing and probably would of ended up doing that for the rest of my life because the paychecks are really compelling sure I'm syncing regretted and my phone went bankrupt really ooh God which which kind of happens to law firms occasionally and just imploded and through a combination of very weird circumstances and says I was offered another couple of jobs and failed the conflict check because I've done and then I was offered a job and it turned out that it was the law firm that my brother works for in the London office. And they have anti nepotism world. But he's not your nephew. Indeed you know I got. I need a job. I saw advertised that which was an organization. Confess I had never heard of. I was looking for somebody to though I amendment law which was kind of a passion of mine and so I applied without thinking a lot about that and then the more all right look at the organization I was like this is great. And if I don't get out of the big low world now I am never going to do it right. I'm so I took the plunge and I went off from work and I always say that I much prefer my job now to my old job two days a month when eh the first one came into nightly took it back to run Lensey at the time. I think there's a misprint. No zero somewhere. Oh my goodness misplaced. We should probably describe. CFI A little more. The center for inquiry was founded in nineteen seventy six thereabouts By Paul Kurtz and other leading lights of the critical thinking skeptical humanist Atheist Movement you had Isaac Asimov Carl Sagan. I'm James Randi Lot of those types involved early on in it's kind of existed for many years in two parts. You have your council for secular humanism which is all about sort of that humanist side more the philosophy side and then what was originally the committee for skeptical inquiry of claims of the paranormal S. I I just notice I cop yes okay. Not sure I had ever known instead I I may have messed up the CSI part of it because now it's just CSI it's not to be confused with CSI Miami or the other TV shows but it's the committee for skeptical inquiry. I think the original psycho had a different acronym boot good. Yeah so you came in six years ago now. We really brushed past what sounded like a very juicy. You See story what the Hell happened with your firm and what what were your conflicts of interest. This is the real juicy stuff neck. I wish I mean I wish the the foam went bankrupt Tom if they even have. La Office okay and a fell into the problem of expanding too quickly. Okay and have have a Salt Lake City office. I think which never made any money. Okay Mormons elements and they don't do anything wrong. Yeah and what happened with me on conflicts. lex They totally bizarre was had done seven hours work on a huge class action lawsuit that was representing. I can't even remember if we were representing or defending against the dairy farmers of microbes. Like milk price fixing literally did seven billable hours on this house else. Just something I filled in when I had some slow time And we would have to have got a signature to waive the conflict from every single angled member of the plaintiff's class that was like every thousand dairy amazing. CIC probably wasn't going to happen so net could go off from what for another. Solis got it. Wow a milky or story than I thought but not that. Jessie yes. Okay so then you came here. Also Solis but in a good way. Yes yes good solace and you were drawn to the First Amendment side of things so why would cfi what. Why would they be interested in First Amendment Law? Well they advertised the position in this was I was a little concerned about it I they described himself as a secular organization tonight. The first time I read it I thought it said sectarian organizations convinced applying to sort of a Catholic human human rights so tons out so get it did was talking about work and international human rights work and charged site separation law. And if you look at law school everyone takes criminal law classes in everyone takes the constitutional law classes because that Pham on and it's Great. It provides you conversation to talk about in bars some when you walk in lower northern things and then you end up working proofreading some four hundred page contracts for an oil company. Nobody practices what they want to. And everybody goes to law school saying I'm going to be a public defender or I'm going going to be a prosecutor on the. I'm going to work for a nonprofit and no one ever done you end up doing the drywall in the the lawyer industry. Yes and you get rewarded awarded very very nicely for but every lawyer I know they live for that. Pro Bono cases. Yeah I had some great ones arm and gives you a chance to you feel I making the world a better place. Exactly one person at the time you get the cool stories out of at night so many thought. Maybe I will get to do this like all the time. We're on the five percent of the time that my law firm would allow me to work not paid.
How Does Venus Work?
"After the moon the Venus is the second brightest natural object in the night sky partially because this planet is covered by reflective clouds that make it is an optical telescopes can't penetrate eight with the Venetian surface hidden from view generations of fiction writers used to speculate wild about the mysterious terrain beneath those clouds for example Tarzan Creator Edgar Rice burroughs portrayed Venus as a world with lush forests in our boreal cities in a nineteen eighty-four pulp novel but then science intervened B eight at Venus's habitable pretty much imploded during the Cold War in Nineteen fifty-six Radio Telescope observations showed that the planet had surfaced temperatures in excess of six hundred and eight eighteen degrees Fahrenheit that's three hundred twenty six degrees Celsius and believe it or not those readings were kind of low we now know the average surface temperature on Nisa blistering eight hundred sixty four degrees Fahrenheit or four hundred sixty two Celsius it's the hottest planet in our solar system even though mercury is closer to the Sun on the face of Venus the atmospheric pressure is crushingly extreme and lead would melt into a puddle but as hellish as this place sounds actually has in common with Earth the two worlds are quite similar in size if you were to stuff venus inside our planet matric doll style it would occupy roughly eighty six percent end of earth total volume Venus has earth beaten in some key regards though earth displays a slight midsection bulge being wider around its equator than it is from one pole to the other conversely Venus is almost a perfect sphere what gives well when a massive celestial body like a star or planet spins quickly around its axis centrifugal force will give it a more dramatic bulge around its equator however Venus has an ultra slow rotation speed it takes the equivalent of two hundred and forty-three earth days for Venus to complete one full rotation around its axis and only two hundred twenty five earth days to finish a new lap around the Sun so in other words a day on Venus lasts longer than Vanesian year does and get this from our self centered perspective Venus spins backward word most of the planets in the solar system rotate from west to east Uranus and Venus Buck that trend on those two worlds the sun appears to rise in the West and set in the East nobody knows how that came to pass. Astronomers think Venus us to move in a counterclockwise direction like Earth but at some point it's been I have reversed alternatively perhaps the sun's Gravitational influence or a collision with a large object caused the entire planet to flip upside down in December of nineteen sixty two Venus became the first planet to get a fly by visit from a manmade spacecraft exploiting brief window of opportunity NASA's Mariner two probes studied this world up close from distances as near as twenty one thousand miles that's about thirty four thousand kilometers onboard instruments taught us a great deal mariner two firms that Venus does not have an earth like magnetic field and it recorded surface temperatures within the expected range a young Carl Sagan helped design the mariner to probe yes successfully lobbied to have the space craft fitted with a camera because close up pictures of Venus might quote answer questions that we were too dumb to even pose by the time Mariner to launched scientists already knew that there were high levels of carbon dioxide in the vision atmosphere and that composition should give us pause carbon dockside makes up a whopping ninety six percent of Venus's atmosphere scientists attribute this to a runaway greenhouse effect theoretically the planet used to have a more temperate climate that could have remained stable for billions of years back then oceans of liquid water may have covered its surface though we don't know for sure things changed as are growing son became hotter any oceans would have evaporated during this time astronomers think much of the carbon dioxide invasion rocks leached out and traveled guy word while the atmosphere changed it got better at trapping heat creating a vicious cycle that worsens the problem inevitably temperatures spiked and stayed since our own planet has a major greenhouse gas problem Venus could offer us important insights regarding climate change but sending probes to explore it has always presented major challenges on Venus the surface gravity is comparable to what you and I experience on earth what's not comparable is that atmospheric Asher which is ninety two times greater on the face of Venus than it is here faced with extreme temperatures and high pressure it's no wonder that manmade objects don't last long long in the planet's environment when the Soviet venire thirteen probe landed on Venus in Nineteen eighty-two it stayed intact for record setting one hundred and twenty seven minutes before it was destroyed mind you this wasn't the USSR's first Rodeo previous Venero spacecraft's successfully visited the planet's atmosphere and touched down on its outer crest brief though their visits were these probes captured the first ever photographs of the Venetian surface Nasr's Magellan spacecraft provided further insights has it mapped ninety eight percent of the planet's face all in all Venus boasts more than sixteen thousand volcanoes and volcanic features but we don't know of any these are still active highland plateaus deep canyons and meteorite impact craters have also been discovered there although Venus's about four point six billion years old crest is thought to be much younger with an estimated age of just three hundred to six hundred million years Venus lacks tectonic plates as we know them on earth nonetheless Sunday August think that upwelling magma occasionally recycle sections of the crust long before it was an object scientific study or of Edgar Rice burroughs. goals Venus mesmerized our ancestors bright and beautiful the cloud adorned planet derives its name from the Roman Goddess of love into mathematicians mapped it's progress across the sky and Galileo took detailed notes about its moon like phases somehow knowing that Venus is a stifling hot house doesn't diminish its allure with every new discovery inspires curiosity aw
Contact: The Movie That Changed Drew Hammond's Life
"The movies adapted from the science fiction novel by The scientist Carl Sagan and tells the story of L. E. We first meet her as a little girl with her dad watching the stars and fascinated by the idea of life on other your planet's we see her playing with the radio trying to make a connection with people from outside her hometown and that curiosity that she has a little girl will eventually guide her through her work. Could we talk to the moon. Wow Big enough radio. I don't see why not can we talk to Jupiter or or what's one after that. Don't tell me give you in Hula hoops Saturn. Could we talk to Saturday. dad could be talked to mom. I don't think even the biggest radio could reach that far. Yeah people on other planets. I I don't know sparks but I guess I'd say if it is just as it seems like an awful ways to space ellie grows up to be this amazing astronomer who works for this organization that is trying to find aliens on other planets and many people don't take her work seriously other scientists give her credit for her hard work and for her intelligence and her amazing determination in her projects but it's the kind of science that is often equated with faith the kind of science. You can't prove true what I'm I'm doing you promising scientists to be wasting your gifts on this nonsense consider what could potentially be the most important discovery the human race nonsense incense okay. There's four hundred to one. There is intelligent life out there but it's so far away you'll never contacted in your lifetime Carol Disisto. Oh there's nothing out there about noble gases and carbon compounds and you're wasting your time in the meantime. You won't be published. You won't be taken seriously and your career will be over or before. It's begun so my life. That's search is one that takes l. e. directly into the path of Palmer Joss this this kind of spiritual pastor seeker played by Matthew mcconaughey elliara mutually studying all the usual Nabulsi quasars pulsars stuff like that. What are you what are you writing. The Usual Nouns adverbs added to here and there I worked on a project called city search for extraterrestrial intelligence. Wow out there l. E. is played brilliantly by the one and only jodie foster. One of my heroes and the relationship between her and Palmer is so important because it is going to kind of demonstrate and play out for us that divide divide between science and faith science and religion and it becomes the guiding light for the movie. How can you be sure that something really exists when you can't prove it Orig- book. Would you like me to quote you. Ironically the thing that people are the most hungry for meaning is the one thing that science hasn't been able to give them yeah yeah come on. It's like you're saying that science killed God. What if what if science simply revealed that he never existed in the first place the character of Palmer Joss was important for me because he inhabited this religious spiritual seeker identity but he also really understood were Elliott as a scientist came from and that was really important for high school teacher Hammond. Although he related to Ellie you know he had never seen a scientist. I figure like her before someone who would ask these hard questions of everyone around her and even of herself and the work that she did and yet but really really comfortable with the idea of mystery and unanswered questions so I want to hear the story behind when you first saw contact and this is kind of a meditative exercise that we found really useful here on the podcasts which is free to close your eyes so I'm looking at you so I know you're doing close your eyes and then for ten seconds distinct about that first time you saw the movie and then I will look at the clock and I'll interrupt you so what memories came for you then it it was the it was the summer after high school high school graduation. I think it was yeah and and about two weeks before the movie came out my long-term term crush that had a you know I wanna say it was love but it was not for sure. It was just highschool crush but for four years I had you know wanting wanting to be with her. and then towards the end of highschool. She got engaged to her youth pastor well from her church was he he he was like a good seven years older than she is right. Yes right but you know. Jesus was cool with it so I guess it was all part of the plan anyway but so I was I was crushed and I remember like I went to the wedding and and I remember thinking like Oh. Oh you know if if I if I was more of a person of faith if I was going to be somebody that could go to church this would be this could be me love me and I I I was just I was depressed and I felt so alone and and then a couple of my friends like we went to the the movie just because it was a science fiction movie had aliens in it and if you if you go back and look at the trailer it does not know it does not sell thus you knew like Carl. Sagan's work had no idea the kind of dialogue that it just looks like a cool science independence day was going to be it's been fun a fun romp and we watch the movie and and win when it was done my friends I got up and started to walk away and they were like let's get them scream and I was just sitting there bawling and I could not I could not bring myself to leave the theater for like a good ten minutes because it was just such a yeah. It was just such a profound and deeply personal experience that I don't think I've ever had in a movie like that where I felt like this movie spoke to something that I could never even put into words and I didn't know how to talk about it with anybody. I didn't feel like it was okay to talk about and what that what that movie brought up for me what I'm saying. Oh yeah definitely it's one of the things that I love the most about movies and that experience when you see one in the theater is it's you're kind of hit with the impact of the film and then you're processing it. I mean days weeks years later for sure. I went back and saw the movie again in the theater. You know maybe within the next week and finally started to figure out like Oh. This is speaking to this disconnect that I felt for the last you know whatever the the time probably eight years of being a young kid who never had a relationship with church and and was surrounded by very spiritual and religious people and always feeling like an outsider because you know it's funny. I think I had a similar experience to you watching the movie as someone who grew up actually very religious my parents are pastor eventual Christian but he's also a man. He's like a botanist and he always man of science. Yeah I think watching this movie felt in a lot of ways like seeing a lot of his own or inner conflict a lot of the things that we grew up hearing about from him but it was also the best example that I had had seen at the time of my ideal version of faith
"Hello. This is me. She yousef. And this is tell them I am. In twenty fifteen I went on a road trip from Chicago to Wisconsin. And we went like really far north. Like I think the nearest people to us were a hundred miles away, which now that I think about it was probably a dangerous situation. Anyway, it was stunning if you haven't been to Wisconsin, you're seriously missing out. So it was late summer like early fall. And as we get deeper into the night, it starts to get really chilly, kind of Chris, and in the middle of the night, I go out into the backyard of the house. We're staying and the night is so block that I had to just stand there for a second. Try to find my way. And after a while my eyes start to adjust and there's this brightness remember looking up at the sky, the stars were clear and more crowded than I had ever seen before. It was honestly like the stars where the crowd at a concert, and I was. Onset or something? And I swear I could see the curve of the sky, it was like I was wrapped in almost. It was so literally beyond my reach like forget figuratively. I felt so small in a good way. So the next morning, I'm sitting inside on the couch with my breakfast. The sun is, like, especially bright, the kind of right? That even if it's cold to kind of just warms you up. And there's the dust in the air and for a second. The sunlight, set this crowd of dust dancing. And I felt so small. My name is Vanessa all in the end. I am an astronomer. I think that is the primary way that identify myself when I, meet new people. Astronauts are on a lot of times ex military and engineers like they have survival skills versus strana mors are fabulous nerds. It's Uman to gaze up at the stars and contemplate the cosmos. There's a there's a Carl Sagan, quote, I'm probably paraphrasing at this point. It's not explaining science. Seems to me perverse, when you're in love, you want to tell the world. I grew up with my parents may data's from Pakistan. He moved to the US in the eighties. Horrible up getting. Okay. And my mom is from India, Mark from our message. Good. There. I have two sisters. We're very close knit family. We love hang out with each other like going home. It was always like the highlight of my day. My parents had this interesting parenting style, which I have started to now be more aware of I didn't have a bed time. I didn't have occurred few. I never had any like rules about how long it could stay on the computer or the or the TV or, or the phone, but it was kind of will lose things where if I wanted to do something by parents would be like that doesn't seem like such a good idea. And then I would kind of be like, oh, but I think it is. So they like, they'd say, well, go ahead, try it, and then I would try it, and it wouldn't be a good idea. And they come back like see. I feel like I'm humble Ryan about my parents really amazing people. When is engineers? I was a sophomore in college. My dad got extremely sick. So he was taking a medication for a rheumatoid arthritis treatment, the medicine was I N, H, I, E so Nisaan and it's known to be extremely toxic. We were not told that my dad was prescribed his medications, so he was told to take this six month course of I h and when he was done with the six months course than he could come back to start his Arthur treatment, well, five months in my dad's sorta getting extremely sick. I is getting very confused. And then one day he woke up and was just completely yellow like completely jaundiced. His is really his skin was yellow. And we took him to the to his primary didn't it turned out. He was having liver failure. Annan ver- when I heard that he was having liver failure. I didn't know what that meant, and I remember being scared, but not being sure why I was scared. A couple days after he started to get a lot worse. And there is one to remember it was the Saturday we were all home, and we had to do like basic errands, like grocery shopping. And we're all going to Costco, my favorite thing ever. And my dad was my dad was feed be used completely out of him. We started to get really concerned. So my mom colds, my dad's primary, who is also one of our good family friends. So he came by the evening, putting I remember who's putting on my dad's shoes for him. Like getting him ready to go to the hospital. And my dad was like kicking him in the face. And he eventually got my dad dressed enough to hospital. And like put him in the front seat of his car with a lot of struggle for my dad and drove him himself to to the hospital. NYU langone. Turned out that his liver was ninety eight percent necrosis, which means that ninety eight percent of his liver had died. It became very clear that he needed a new liver, and he needed a liver transplant.
"My name is Vanessa all in the end. I am an astronomer. I think that is the primary way that identify myself when I, meet new people. Astronauts are on a lot of times ex military and engineers like they have survival skills versus strana mors are fabulous nerds. It's Uman to gaze up at the stars and contemplate the cosmos. There's a there's a Carl Sagan, quote, I'm probably paraphrasing at this point. It's not explaining science. Seems to me perverse, when you're in love, you want to tell the world. I grew up with my parents may data's from Pakistan. He moved to the US in the eighties. Horrible up getting. Okay. And my mom is from India, Mark from our message. Good. There. I have two sisters. We're very close knit family. We love hang out with each other like going home. It was always like the highlight of my day. My parents had this interesting parenting style, which I have started to now be more aware of I didn't have a bed time. I didn't have occurred few. I never had any like rules about how long it could stay on the computer or the or the TV or, or the phone, but it was kind of will lose things where if I wanted to do something by parents would be like that doesn't seem like such a good idea. And then I would kind of be like, oh, but I think it is. So they like, they'd say, well, go ahead, try it, and then I would try it, and it wouldn't be a good idea. And they come back like see. I feel like I'm humble Ryan about my parents really amazing people. When is engineers? I was a sophomore in college. My dad got extremely sick. So he was taking a medication for a rheumatoid arthritis treatment, the medicine was I N, H, I, E so Nisaan and it's known to be extremely toxic. We were not told that my dad was prescribed his medications, so he was told to take this six month course of I h and when he was done with the six months course than he could come back to start his Arthur treatment, well, five months in my dad's sorta getting extremely sick. I is getting very confused. And then one day he woke up and was just completely yellow like completely jaundiced. His is really his skin was yellow. And we took him to the to his primary didn't it turned out. He was having liver failure. Annan ver- when I heard that he was having liver failure. I didn't know what that meant, and I remember being scared, but not being sure why I was scared. A couple days after he started to get a lot worse. And there is one to remember it was the Saturday we were all home, and we had to do like basic errands, like grocery shopping. And we're all going to Costco, my favorite thing ever. And my dad was my dad was feed be used completely out of him. We started to get really concerned. So my mom colds, my dad's primary, who is also one of our good family friends. So he came by the evening, putting I remember who's putting on my dad's shoes for him. Like getting him ready to go to the hospital. And my dad was like kicking him in the face. And he eventually got my dad dressed enough to hospital. And like put him in the front seat of his car with a lot of struggle for my dad and drove him himself to to the hospital. NYU langone. Turned out that his liver was ninety eight percent necrosis, which means that ninety eight percent of his liver had died. It became very clear that he needed a new liver, and he needed a liver transplant. I just felt like as soon as, as soon as my dad was admitted hospital and this need for a transplant became a reality things kind of just felt completely different. And a couple of days into being in the hospital he fell into a coma. Apparently before my dad's slipped into the coma. He told the head transplant surgeon. Please help me get better because I have to take care of my family. I really was not processing like what was happening. Still going to all my classes I still hanging. All my problems, that's just kind of working on this autopilot mode, where I was going about my days, doing everything that I normally would going to my classes in the mornings, and they would take the six train down to NYU Langone and spend the rest of my day. There.
"carl sagan" Discussed on Duncan Trussell Family Hour
"The the best sort of analogy, I can give. Inhuman world is if we think about things like tonal languages, right? Where you have one word. But depending on how it said it can mean very different things. God I have a feeling. It's kinda like that. Maybe I mean that seems like a good explanation for why the fuck we haven't been able to figure out what they're saying ever. Will. This is to me one something that's really curious is that. There seems to be maybe it's just, you know, publicity, or maybe people are just naturally more interested in dolphins, and they are in crows. But. I'm sure you're familiar John Lilly, and the dolphin research that was done. Not super it's pretty curious. John lilly. And I think Carl Sagan few other this is during this is the birth of SETI. And they became really interested in studying dolphin communication. Not just because they wondered like all of us wonder what dolphins are saying to each other. But also because the idea was if we do make contact with some kind of extraterrestrial, then we need a model for understanding communication from thing that is from a completely different environment. And so much of human communication is based on our, you know. The way we walk around in our terrain, and how we experience the limitations that we have. And so anyway, the I wonder why people haven't focused more on these creatures that are so obviously. Intelligent. And I d. Do you think at some point? There could be the possibility of maybe using a I like what they're using with with dolphin communication to start decoding what birds or saying what crows or saying specifically. Yes. And no, I say, yes. Because in terms of I think what you could get out of that effort. It would be well worth it and probably similar to to what you're describing. We've been able to do with dolphins. Yes. But I say no in that. I don't have any optimism that anyone could get funding to pursue that project because it's just a little too like the dolphin thing. Like, I think is a much easier sell for people in terms of understanding its value to humans, which is you know, for better or worse. So much of how we rationalize or justify scientific pursuits. And I feel like making that argument with birds and getting the kind of grant funding that you need to do that. With is just unlikely you would have to convince the military the way in is. This is what we do. By we. I mean, you or someone. We said idea what you would have to convince the military that there might be a way to talk to crows. And then you've got the ultimate surveillance technology of all time. You know, what it sad paranoid world? We would enter into have Sedley every time you see a crow you had to wonder if you are being monitored. You know, this is. If I don't know if this will make you feel better worse, but that's actually kind of happened. So no way the original facial recognition studied that. My adviser John Marcus who's that faculty number you dove did. And this was the facial recognition study that's on the PBS special murder of crows a lot of people from what I sent. This took place about ten years ago. So that study was actually funded by the DOD. No way. That is so crazy. So they were like that is to mind boggling, the military scans all variables in phenomenon nature and just puts in one side one column, here's what we might be able to use right? Yeah. Yeah. And so for that study, it was I mean, you know. Know what really we're we're thinking..
"carl sagan" Discussed on Talk Nerdy
"And what rate and then you turn to the positive people like whoever bell Nyein, Carl Sagan, many, many other names we throw around Bill. Bryson's books are incredible. They were being, you know, and, you know, at end lately, Volusia psychology sort of blows my mind. I mean, I went down the rabbit hole of hard determine them genetic determinism, you know, whether or not free Willie this and all of that. And it's just it's fascinating stuff on. It's it's just amazing. So that's basically my story. Can't I gotta say I'm right there with you, my friend like the same things that fascinate you really do fascinate me. And I've just had such an incredible time talking to you about you know, how all of these inputs all of these experiences within your life really lead you to what you do. And where you are right now, and the incredible gift that you are giving back by producing these really whimsical, really beautiful and actually quite brilliant pieces of children's literature. So I really do recommend that everybody who's listening who has a kid near life. You may not be apparent. I'm not, but you might have nieces you might have nephews you may have a local library that you can donate these books too. You know, there's a lot of ways that you can give back to a child who you think could really benefit from these stories. So I highly recommend that you go online, and you per. Just your copies of the Annabelle in Aden series, their four books like we mentioned JR before we go. Can you can you stick around just a few more minutes? So that we can. So that I can ask you my closing two questions. All right. Well, you mentioned before that you were listening to an episode. I think with ano- Ross trial. So you probably know what's coming. Here we go. When you think about the future, I want you to tell me, I what is the thing that keeps you up the most at night thing that you are maybe maybe doesn't mystic about. But on the flip side of that. What do you have, you know, true genuine real optimism for euro? So it was I was trying to think about this. You know, lately, I think I'm less positive and a little more pessimistic, unfortunately, but the positivity I'll get to in a minute. So hopefully, it will win the day. But yet just I think I'm what keeps me up at night is false certainty. People feel like they know they know all they need to know from their one book or their ten books or their political bubble or their, you know, their social media bubble. I wish the world had more humility and more willingness to to learn that maybe you're wrong. Tim mention says, you know, be, you know, people are like asshole. Or what has it have what do people and opinions having con what do people on Astles having common? Everybody has one and they should both be early examined. Every now. You know, take your opinions out and beat them with the stick. And I wish the world did more of that and one I'm positive about as you know, I see the false certainty in the world. And I'm you know, I'm on the battle lines a lot. So it it could bring me down. But I'm you know, like a week ago. I did an event at an ethical culture society, and every time I meet my readers, whether it's ethical culture society a humanist association. Whatever it is or even just in a bookstore. I'm inspired by the parents and the kids that that come and I see what kind of people they are. And the amazing questions that my my readers ask in the amazing messages. I get about little kids learning about evolution. Or how learning about the first law of thermodynamics means that when they died in a sense never their energy will live on forever. Little things like that with people on really hidden. Spires the hell outta me. So sometimes I'll get down in negative reading the negative news about our politicians. Are are, you know, the Wu that surrounds us? But then when I read read or meet, the people that you know, that are seeking out knowledge from books like mine or or other people's books or podcast like this one. I get really really really inspired by the questions they asked. Well, what a great great note to end the episode on JR. It's so much fun..
"carl sagan" Discussed on Talk Nerdy
"And she was just I could tell like offended or almost annoyed that I kept offering rational responses instead of just saying, oh, yeah. Or maybe they had a past life, and it was such an interesting exchange because I could see her frustration. And I could see her in even she would say things like, oh, you know. I just feel like you're really close minded or you're really just looking for any excuse. And it was frustrating for me because I felt like what she was saying to me was oh, you're no fun. You don't want these kids to be experiencing this fabulous thing. And it's like, no, I don't want you to reinforce to them that they have magic. You know, we care about children the minds and the world and. You know? That's why I think a lot of people debate whether or not, you know, astrology as real faith healers or God or angels. Whatever it is. But I think it's not it's often not a debate over whether or not that thing is real. It's a debate over whether or not faith is a virtue. And that's why I think me missive stop, you know, before even arguing about that. Because you know, people are tribal they have their positions. They're just gonna keep arguing back and forth. I think it's important to talk about is it good for our minds and is a good for the world to believe beyond the evidence. You know, we are moving beyond the evidence we have to be as you know, as scientists. But to actually believe beyond the evidence. I just keep thinking through our talk about Carl Sagan, and he you know, when I wrote the second book of the things we believed I had not yet read Carl Sagan or the demon haunted world and a year later when I read it or maybe six months later. I was like, wow. This is kind of like those soundtrack of my second book. I didn't even know it and I love how Carl Sagan's the demon haunted world, he he is on a plane ride. He relates the story and someone sitting next to him when they find out he's a scientists. They ask him whether or not the the underwater city, Atlantis is real and Carl Sagan says, you know, probably not we don't have any evidence of it. And the guy looked so disappointed and Carl Sagan writes in the book. You know, did the skying know about the molecular building blocks of life sitting out there in the cold tenuous gas between the stars had. He heard of the footprints of our ancestors found in four million year-old volcanic ash, and you know, all these amazing things in science. It's like we could have that all amazement. We don't need to you know, damage our minds, and and engage in fleeting fantasies to to be amazed. So that's you know, that's something that came to my mind. Absolutely. And so I think now is a good a good time to kind of switch gears and talk a little bit about about the third book that you row, and I have to admit I'm really excited to talk about the final say final. But the most recent book that's been published. So so we'll get there. I promise hold your horses guys. But before that, let's talk about worlds within us. What what does that refer to? You know, this'll sound very Cosmo's -i, but a lot of scientists and science communicator say the number one most inspiring thing about science is that we are literally made of the gas and the dust that was created by that was star star stuff. It's a cute sang and people think it's just kind of an allegory or an exaggeration. But it's not an exaggeration. So worlds within us his kind of saying that we have worlds within us. We have the world. We are the world. You know, we are the world gazing at itself, we are made of our world. We are made of the stardust that was formed after the big bang it formed planets like the earth the book explains than from the earth came us. So we are made of stardust were made Anna kind of use that as a vehicle as I do all my books to bring..
"carl sagan" Discussed on Here & Now
"The doctor to analyze the condition of your body without cutting you open. That's based on the principle of physics, discover by physicist who had no interest in medicine. I want to ask you one more thing, which is, you know, scientists and I've got to step parents who are both physicists and we've talked about this that they have a hard time convincing members of congress or lawmakers of why their research is important needs to be funded because a lot of these people, they're not scientists. I mean a lot of our listeners, I'm not a scientist. It's hard to understand some of this stuff. You have become one of the preeminent scientists who can communicate with the masses. How important is that? Do you. There need to be more people like you that do what you do should be thousands of people like me. I think there's tons of articulate, scientists are profession. However, in general, does not reward us for being particularly in ways that takes outside of the laboratory. My field, we have the benefit of having had Carl Sagan clear some of the brush and Bramble of this attitude against reaching for the public. Can you still be respected if you appear on the tonight show? Can you still be respected if you if are character in a cartoon? And that's an interesting question. And in my field, I've done all of those things. And as pets as I can tell. I'm still respected in part because I'm trying to lift all boats. Ray science literacy of the entire electorate, so that when anyone comes back to their Representative or to their community, they'll say, oh, are you doing that work? I saw Tyson talk about it. That's great. I want more of it. And if you're doing tax base sourced science as astrophysicists, do our money's come from primarily the National Science Foundation and from NASA, both of them are funded by the tills or funded by tax monies. If that's the case, you have the right to know I have the obligation to tell you and you're the right to know how that money's being spent. And so I, I do so without hesitation sharing what the thrills of this and this Carl Sagan did brilliantly is original cosmos, and and all the books that surrounded it. It's near the grass Tyson who's new book is called accessory to war, written with Avis Lang. Thank you so much. It's been great talking. To you. Excellent. Thanks for having me. You can find out more about Tyson at our website here now dot org, and you can share the episode with your friends and be sure to rate us on apple podcasts. I'm Jeremy Hobson. Thanks for listening..
"carl sagan" Discussed on Here & Now
"In the arsenal of the doctor to analyze the condition of your body without cutting you open. That's based on a principle of physics, discovered by physicist who had no interest in medicine. I want to ask you one more thing, which is, you know, scientists and I've got to step parents who are both physicists and we've talked about this that they have a hard time convincing members of congress, our lawmakers of why their research is important, why needs to be funded? Because a lot of these people, they're not scientists. I mean, a lot of our listeners, I'm not a scientist. It's hard to understand some of this stuff. You have become one of the preeminent scientists who can communicate with the masses. How important is that? Do you think there need to be more people like you that do what you do should be thousands of people like me. I think there's tons of articulate. Scientists are profession. However, in general, does not reward us for being articulate in ways that take us outside of the laboratory. My field, we have the benefit of having had Carl Sagan clear some of the brush and Bramble of this attitude against reaching for the public. Can you still be respected if you appear on the tonight show? Can you still be respected if you if you are character in a cartoon? And that's an interesting question. And in my field, I've done all of those things and as pets as I can tell, I'm still respected in part because I'm trying to lift all boats raise sites literacy of the entire electorate, so that when anyone comes back to their represe. Tentative or to their community, they'll say, oh, are you doing that work? Saw Tyson, talk about it. That's great. I want more of it. And if you're doing tax base sourced science as astrophysicists, do our money's come from primarily the National Science Foundation and from NASA, both of them are funded by the tills or funded by tax monies. If that's the case, you have the right to know you have. I have the obligation to tell you and you're the right to know how that money's being spent. And so I, I do so without hesitation sharing what the thrills of this and this, what Carl Sagan did brilliantly is original cosmos and and all the books that surrounded it. That's near the grass Tyson who's new book is called accessory to war, written with Avis Lang. Thank you so much. It's been great talking to you. Thanks for having me on..
"carl sagan" Discussed on Triangulation
"Vader's on your tari is that we're all of this began i suppose so i never really put together the it's hari playing with my scientific interest but i suppose it now a that i built video games as therapeutic tools i i guess that's a fair assessment but yeah you know it was i didn't have a lot of scientific people in my life i didn't own doctors or scientists when i was a kid and watching carl sagan and going to the museum of natural history was the with the stimulus that i had that really turned me onto this and how did you get specifically interested i know you're i work you did was in the brain and how what happens when we age how did you get interested in that well actually it was sort of just by chance when i was a graduate student in new york city so i went to school for an md and a phd program my advisor had access to a population of old animals really that that they were interested in studying how their memory was changing and i thought it was interesting it was when you're twenty you don't think about doing projects on aging but i took it up and ever since then i've been studying the aging brain i switched after i did a residency in neurobiology switched over to doing research on humans and human aging studying the brain through functional brain recordings both marin eg tons of stan how are cognitive abilities changes we get older and so i guess you're twenties was probably the best time to be doing it since you say that now like age twenty four at all goes downhill from there right i mean that's really the peak it's not the peacful all of cognitive abilities.
"carl sagan" Discussed on Sports? with Katie Nolan
"That's tube leap stop going to bleep toured 's and that sentence all right so the second round we've got what rockets against the shiju should i do we never really talked this through should i do now the second round of mascots i think so because we only did the first the people have to know who's gonna win their won't go deep on it like we did before i didn't i haven't prepped multiple pages of research but we'll go off the top so the rockets versus the jazz right yes so that's a space thing versus music wasn't there a spy thing that's orbiting in its playing music well katie this is why you prep they talked about it in i think it was the dude from cosmos which is carl sagan i believe carl sagan and somebody else eleven they chose a bunch of music or noises to broadcast out into space it appears as though voyager which is music on the golden record it was a bunch of music that was including record that's it yeah so they're playing this in space and i think one of the things is because carl sagan and his wife it's either them kissing or saying love there's something about like love in it that's really sweet any who put dunn's kadurah on the on the record i mean they showed of you if they didn't that's a huge miss earth there's also a lot to be said that like maybe we shouldn't be putting any noises out into the universe because someone to discover where here the naturally want to destroy us but that's an argument for another time i'm not gonna bring up the fermi paradox again this we can so rockets were jazz right so.
"carl sagan" Discussed on KHNR 690AM
"Most famous astronomer in at the end of the twentieth century would you say he was on tv show for about eight minutes and it was in the nineteen nineties and he was on my show once i'm kidding obviously it'll never eight minutes it was for six months it was a great show by the way but it the i guess it was called the dennis prager show and anyway for whatever reason make it and but i did have people like carl sagan and carl sagan i'll never forget this he looked at me and dennis just want you to know carl sagan was an atheist you know i look up i look through the telescope and look up into the sky and the more i know the more i realize how insignificant we people are we humans are am i remember thinking god that is so uplifting thank you the thing is he said it as if he was inspired by it dennis we are nothing like aunt that beautiful beautiful you know i wonder by the way i should have asked him i mean i took issue with him i i'm not gonna let that comment go i have some video of it somewhere i have to find it i would like to play it on the air i think it would be priceless this was the best known astronomer we don't have as well known as well well hawking's was not an astronomer right so we don't have an equivalent today he was just a star astronomer but if you're an atheist he's right you look up in the sky and you realize how insignificant we are but if there is a god and who in whose image were created where infinitely significant so nature was made for us that's the that is the view and that that is the opposite of the modern view the modern secular view is that the.
"carl sagan" Discussed on 860AM The Answer
"Twentieth century would you say he was on tv show for about eight minutes and i was in the nineteen nineties and he was on my show on i'm kidding obviously you don't have eight minutes it was for six months it was a great show by the way but the i guess it was called the dennis prager show and anyway for whatever reason it didn't make it and but i did have people like carl sagan on carl sagan i'll never forget this he looked at me and he's the dentist just want you to know cross nathan was i said you know look up look through the telescope and i look up into the sky and the more i know the more i realize how insignificant we people are we humans are am i remember thinking god that is so uplifting who thank you the thing is he said it as if he was inspired by it dennis we are nothing we are like ants that's beautiful and it's just beautiful you know you want i wonder by the way i should have asked him i mean i took issue with him i i'm not going to let that comment go i have some video of it somewhere i have to find it i would like to play it on the air i think it'd be priceless anyway this was the best known astronomer we don't have as well known as well hawking's was not an astronomer right so we don't have a an equivalent today he was just a star astronomer but if you're an atheist he's right you look up in the sky and you realize how insignificant we are but if there is a god who in whose image were created we're infinitely significant so nature was made for us that's the that is the view and that that is the opposite of the modern view the modern secular view is that the.
"carl sagan" Discussed on Stuff To Blow Your Mind
"Yeah i mean he was he was intelligent charismatic he had the scientific pedigree but he also had this this this this outward passion he was able to to appear on these television shows and you were just instantly ah enraptured by what he had to say yeah so let's turn to cosmos scene it's the fall of 1980 you are settling in to watch episode to of this magnificent new pvs science show cosmos it's hosted by szegin whether or not you know sagan by now if you've seen the first episode euroready enraptured uh you want to hear what he has to say next and so episode two of the caught the original cosmos series in 1980 starts with sagan telling the story we started with today he starts to tell the story of the battle of denno era and it's legendary aftermath and not only does he tell it but there is a dramatic reenactment of everything it's it's beautiful to watch will include a link to this episode of cosmos on the landing page for this episode right so we're going to quote from carl sagan's explanation of what's going on with the crowd in the legend so he says quote this legend raises a lovely problem how does it come about that the face of a warrior is cut on the carapace of a japanese crab how could it be the answer seems to be that humans made this face but how like many other features the patterns on the back or carapace of this crab or inherited but among crabs as among humans there are many different hereditary lines now suppose purely by chance among the distant ancestors of this crap their came to be one that looked just a little bit like a human face long before the battle of dinner or he's talking about fishermen may have been reluctant to eat a crab with a human face in throwing it back into the sea they were setting into motion a process of selection if you're a crab and your carapaces just ordinary the humans are going to each eu but if it looked like a face.
"carl sagan" Discussed on WHYR 96.9 FM
"Later carl sagan was right on the button the temperature of venus is nine hundred degrees fahrenheit hotter than a baker's oven hotter than the melting point of most metals in fact ten is in liquid form it that temperature if you were to walk on the surface of venus you could sink sink into by pool of molten molten metals very unpleasant sensation and the atmosphere is also a hundred times thicker than the atmosphere fear on the planet earth and it is almost all carbon dioxide so if you were to walk on the surface of vitas he would not be pleasant at all first of all if it rains you expect the rain to cool down the surface but no when it rains it rains sulfuric acid he sees sulphur comes outta volcanoes and venus had volcanoes and some of their soul through turned into seoul feerick acid in fact that's the irony venus is like goddess of love because it is so bright the brightest objects in the night sky other than the moon but why is it so bright because as atmosphere contains droplets of sulfuric acid which reflects sunlight to the earth and so the very fact that venus is a hell is also the fact that view china's is the most beautiful planet in the solar system is because of the reflection of starlight by droplets of sulfuric acid so walking on the surface of venus is not pleasant at all first you would be crushed like an eggshell because the atmospheric pressure is a hundred times that of the planet earth for example on every square inch of.
"carl sagan" Discussed on StarTalk Radio
"This is our old mission carl sagan when i was in his class in the disco era would talk about the tunguska event where nineteen or june 30th in the modern calendar a nineteen away tunguska region of siberia was hit with something a buddha on all the trees in a moment and if that had happened in a big city that would be the end of the big city l yet and so since then our along after carl sagan's class uh chelyabinsk also in russia go with a big sparky thing in much smaller event but nevertheless recorded on countless cameras and so it's time to think about don't want to get him with an asteroid eight out that said chuck and and doesn't come back to the show thank you sir and and those who events make me think that maybe russia should be a little more involved in this thing keep in mind about russia uh first of all let's say we take the earth and divided in half by hemispheres mmhmm it's going to hit one hemisphere liane okay as one to than russia takes up nine timezone yes as a third of the it's more than a third of the world right so or that former soviet union so if it's gonna hit someplace it's likely to hegley they hit there yet there or the pacific yeah it was a fact not events ada i say true fact that's a joke everybody ha let's go to adam bet anna anna bacon uh the doomsday shows uh shows but about asterix let me just start this yet all without vote deal via breaks between breezy word that i slowed talkers of america exactly okay so arabic and says this the doomsday shows about asteroids always have it hitting the planet bought what would happen if the asteroid passed between the earth or the moon or if it hit home instead of the earth or we've we've photographed asteroids using the moon i ha i mean small ones fast it's a manageable ones beer and asteroids have passed closer to the earth in the moon's orbit that's happened right 2012 i believes last one so if you like to worry about things is a great this is great for you great so so far the ones that have passed that close have been relatively small swat so now this.
"carl sagan" Discussed on KOIL
"And she had this extraordinary scientific adventure finding as all at the entrance to the cell has never been there before and they also had on it this code together by as you say astronomer carl sagan other amazing is jake is the founder of the tragedy institute search x transferred intelligence and the the designed this idea that it would be cowardly communiques knife announced to an extraterrestrial wherever you drink kanter and it's kind of a li amazing mind extending adventure today rich at present i sensed tons of it a try and then alien are so remote it was really eighty conversation today toll given you know even at the time the news martyr conversation with the lead this fantastic stories had a small canadian they had a very small window to put it together today i love the fact that it was he was curation by a small community and they didn't have to kinda outsource it or credits or cash air within a larger range of people who view have they do looking back if you'd sit there and say okay if they had to do this again forty years later do you think they do you think they went about this the right way of how to present the diversity of her it's extremely complicated i right now we there is no way we wouldn't have a huge committee that was talking on the night diversity matters antiasian and that's quite right that's them to wilbur and now this is the 70s they just tell us it was appropriate big deal at the time will seek our tremendous launch the golden it wasn't like now everyone was would have been aware that eichner so true right can you imagine like in guinea a social be you're absolutely would have been oh no no no no you must represent this apparently they they were free in some ways and and they make mistakes or they'll talk about as they made a decision for example to what and it's something that's always offer never to act the golden that but that is not a positive by the chose not to show sh and nuclear war chose not showed poverty and more in general so they decided to kinda put their best foot throw it and i think.
"carl sagan" Discussed on The Nerdist
"People have mis they've over interpreted the few things i've said about my encounters with him shirt on the level of saying that he was my mentor which comes with implications at were just not true a mentor so when you spend time with an lopes guide you and uh advises on next steps i was probably in the same room with carl sagan five times in my life and will not be leading that billions and billions and but there are two significant times my first encounter in my last encounter were significant and but yeah i mean he was all that why were they significant amicable first one if you meet the guy just even before cosmos he was famous he was doing media that was not would highly upon by the academic elite he did johnny carson the tonight show you're a scientist you belong in the lab that's a comedy what are you doing and so he took some flak for that but more people learn about science than ever before johnny carson became a fan of his a fan of science he became a leading sceptic so it had return on that investment that no one else had foreseen surely karl knew that and predicted everything that would come out of it so there's that my last encounter was his sixtieth birthday party at cornell university and there's dinner and there are these testimonials and letters and the reading these letters and is no way any human being could be that sainted date is ed there's there's there's a letter from a boy in a village africa who got a tape been borrowed a television in needed electricity from the next town and watched it and transformed now he became a scientist smith somebody up at this goes on for like an hour i'm thinking now no it's not even like he's debt you do that when your debt step alive any sitting right there yeah okay and so after that we go to at a venue where he gives a public talk not only for all the party guests but for the rest of the public.
"carl sagan" Discussed on Kickass News
"Well first i have to ask you about this titles science in the seoul in addition to the many other hats that you where you are probably the most famous living atheist doesn't the concept of a soul go against everything you believe every two definitions of so so one is the one that we didn't believe in which is the one that survives death the supernatural won the ghost so too is the spiritual aesthetic approach to silence which i think his personified by carl sagan which i aspire to follow in one of the essays and science and the sole you actually predict that fifty years from now science will have killed the soul i am assuming you're referring to that first soul sella one sells all sides will killed the ghost in the brain but it will not have killed and quite quite the contrary sod's gets ever more wonderful the molina kills a pretty strong word do you mean that will understand the solar understand consciousness by then maybe not at that but at least we'll be confident there's absolutely no reason to suppose does anything supernatural anything the doesn't follow from the laws of physics will when you talk about the on wonder of science you have the passion of a preacher and you almost seem to speak of science with a certain degree of religio city well at his poetry aung at the final say religios threats as certainly poetic i i i've said sciences the poetry of reality in fact i thank you said that there ought to be a nobel prize or some kind of prize on that level for science literature right well they may be but does but i i think the nobel prize for literature should go to a scientist and if carl sagan was still alive i would i would be rooting for that and you have a couple of essays in the vein of pg would however i'm a big fan of a good crowd i can't imagine anything more british than that know do you think humorous and underutilised tool in your profession probably essen undone i i hope that that does to pest issues appear he will cost will be.