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Promising Young Woman

Neue Encounter

45:10 min | 10 months ago

Promising Young Woman

"This is new encounter a podcast hosted by nick. Mussa to film loving brings during this week we as we review and discuss the films and our never ending watchlist. Hi again what. What why you give me a fucking leg vivian luke. I'm so tired by this week. Look things are listening good name this is our this is actually our our stream. We're just gonna tap on things and go to sleep number really. Might keep a little short. Because i'm a little sleepy. Not far sweet. Little sleepy is there's nothing wrong with the tiny episode pretty long twenty twenty wrapped up hope. Everyone enjoyed that michele michele. Mika has a boyfriend now saw societas milton for us not time no time. When you're you're kissing and and getting toutes well if only we could get as michigan from going to the nine one. One one based on me isn't it. I'm near anyway. Wanted a little bit before you wanted. You wanted something with because you're yard line to and now it's like. Oh so you just side crushed my dreams. What do you mean you. Just said like okay weirdo. No i said okay. N- we both got matching tattoos. Okay i don't want to be though. I mean i wanna be. I wanna get into ryan one first. We have to get a tattoo anyways this week. Any movie news. There is some movie news. Ben affleck did batman for his kids. I mean we don't stand ben. Affleck his brother's a bitch. You also can't can't pick and choose who your your relatives are. This is true but he also did defend him also sibling. E kinda so sometimes. It's like hey is my family guy familiar. Sometimes you just gotta be like yeah. That's that's my brother. He said he didn't do it. But but also sometimes you got to be the bigger person and own up to it and you gotta be like my brother's a bitch. Yeah fucking hate that guy. We're disappointed in him instead of just being like guys innocent. No no no. He's a little baby. No no no is. He still dating anna. Think so. I haven't heard anything about them. Actually haven't seen them together. I always saw them together and like they were everywhere. Yeah and now nothing now. He just gets dunkin. Donuts your books off the rodzi So yeah he played for their. He played batman for his kids. That was his only reason might be number. Everyone was bullying him. I mean that makes perfect sense though to be in a movie something that your kids would wanna watch and be like my to known bullied him. I don't see a problem with right. Someone there is another. Wanna be someone that your kids look can look up to and be excited about and be like oh. My dad was batman. Yea there was someone else that took a role like a super hero or villain or something because they're killed two or star wars or something like that felt like it was a star wars person thinks so and they were just like. I didn't really give a fuck. Wait mickelson then. He takes the roller home. It was someone and he. They didn't get bullied. Everyone was like oh. he's funny. How has it so cute. He loves his kid. Whatever lee ben affleck alone sort of leave. Let the man. Just get his coffee in the morning. God no but other real movie news. Chris evans might be coming back as captain america. Oh yes yeah He tweeted and he was news to me. That i'll know i like the bunch of actors. I've always tried to play that game. Why give it up though. If you're just gonna come back. Make this whole thing while so i was talking to blaze about it too and i thought he was the one that said like no. I don't wanna come back. I want to leave it before. People get annoyed with me. I swear he was the one that said that in an interview but apparently was robert downey junior. I didn't verify that. But that's what place that it was. Robert downey jr at by swears. Got it was chris evans. But he said he would be willing to come back if it made sense like i get. It wouldn't be just like a cash grab it would be like if it actually made sense in the story in the story yet. So i'm guessing is gonna come back it's not gonna be it'll be like past thing someone or it could be like a clone of him since they're gonna do like secret wars or secret invasion where it's like the scrolls so he could be like evil captain america and could be like a just in some way maybe he's not actual like the same steve rogers because they're doing the multi stuff so he might come back as a different version of captain america. So 'cause arc is done is with peggy. He's getting picked by peggy. He's done it's over. There's no reason to bring them back. He he got his. He got his wish. Come true yes only one or he just wanted to literally said. Let me just do something really quick while while we got this machine here Brothers i think read before are fighting i think. Right before the news came out bunkers evans. Sam wilson nother real name but like the guy the captain not captain the falcon captain falcon. I think he came out and said like oh. Yeah it's it's it's he's not really captain america he's just like it's about him and the winter soldier figuring out who's really the next captain america in everyone's expressed shut up. He gives you the shield you. You are trapped in america So we'll see what happens in that. Show a wanna vision also released today the first two episodes We're not gonna watch out tell. I'm not fucking waiting every week for the so. Yeah we just finished mandalorian actually because it finally had enough episodes to watch. Yeah we we prefer binging. Yeah but that comes out of the consequence because then we get to not be with the rest of the crowd when everyone's enjoying things but then we also get flaws that no one else really notices the To like yeah. I mean every episode was like the same. It was like he came to someone he wanted information or wanted something and someone was like. Yeah i'll give it to you if you would disperse and it was just so repetitive. For the first two whole seasons and was like well. Yeah it doesn't. it's not repetitive. When you watch it over the course of like half a year or In he was like that's the point of it though supposed to be a hero's quest like a video game and i was like. Yeah well. I don't think it translates well. So yeah the absolutely very repetitive. Good ending though that. I got spoiled for me the night of because people can't shut up. I just i'm so sad. We didn't get to experience it. The first time around so that i could have been a part of the baby yoda hype. We waited. wouldn't even watch the first season last year or the year before last year. Yeah we literally dims the demand laurean. But i would have loved to be a part of the baby yoda hype. Could i love him. But now it's too late now. It's embarrassing announced like really. Now it's like a we get old dominion though yeah Started for the third season. I don't know about the book bubba show though a soccer's gonna have her own show to some more mandalorian with his dark sabre and just want him to take off his mask. A little more pigeon pasco oscar isaac kings of star wars other news. Scream has released a scream for or stream live. Scream scream scream. Scream scream scream. Five has a release date of january fourteenth fourteenth. I think twenty twenty two which is interesting to release a horror movie in januar- but i'm excited because it'll be it'll be like my birthday movie like that'll be something that i go see for my birthday. Which is exciting. This one could be interesting still no trailer anything. But they just announced the release day. I just didn't excited because content. I can't wait so now. We know we will be able to start of screen marathon at the end of this year. yes right. Holiday movies will just screaming. We go up. We're doing scream. Fuck christmas. There's not very many christmas movies to even watch us. They dropped some more last movie. News spiderman cox apparently apparently spotted on sets and he has completely wrapped his filming. I hate that. He looks so good in sunglasses in his daredevil thing but when he takes them off. He's not that kid charley. Yeah looking normal human being but likes in his third level one. he's in double or when he's just being a matter and he has little His blind sunglasses and he just always is covering. I his eyes. He looks so good. And i'm like damn okay. Laura is ruining through now. Tiny is i said. Man pitch sunglasses back. Don't even look at me. Charlie gawks apparently been spotted on set. I don't know if it's spotted on or like that's the thing or like some insider has like officially said like yeah. He just finished filming. He's he's offset now he's left. He's off which makes me think it's definitely a small cameo since he's already just walking by like he's walking down the street or something so i really hope. He's peter lawyer because of the whole identity thing. Yeah that would be the but that is the most obvious thing to make him. So if you're like literally just going to be like. He's walking down the street or something dumb. I hope not or or some kind of interaction or Peters out being spiderman and they like run into each other something or like peter's going through like He's meeting with a bunch of different lawyers. Might just one of them little quick speed speed dating all these different lawyers in excess passing. John watts lifts to make spiderman the whole joke. 'cause he's teenage comedy fares bueller. He's like oh you're blind. Gotta like he. Just oh my god. I can imagine it and i hate it and this is like john watson marvel's chance to make him a serious like person he like over the whole time. Yeah and we've seen we've seen that he is able to act in more serious roles he just also the trailer other movie came out cheri. The wonder he's he's yeah he's like. Ptsd driven does drugs and stuff robs banks. Yeah they need experiments serious and I don't know if they've confirmed the stuff about Emma stone being inaccurate don's That sounds to fo- but a part of all those like huge rumors and stuff. was Charlie cox being like it was just like a constant flow of like. Yeah yeah everyone's in everyone's in it. And charlie cox was one of those things that like reveal that he was part of it so now that he's pretty much confirms also be part of it just makes those rumors kind of interesting as well pregnant. Yes you can't really do anything. Maybe from the chest up. Maybe but i feel like our face would be more around. But even then she's dead in andrew garfield universe so she would if they were last alternate universe. He's alive in this universe not well. Technically electric would be dead to propose. So yeah she could be alive from another universe. She would be spider one spider but she started going when she was pregnant. She just got hailee steinfeld. She's argued the voice of exactly. She's very i think she's so great though she's does a great job Bishop consec my ass. No hawkeye can sucker ass business cool but spider goodness cooler okay. Anyways anyways divisions out to so we'll see what happens. We're not gonna watch until like march so we'll see what happens in the mcu we marvel's back can't wait to see all the stuff on the time line. I don't know how. I didn't get mandalorian spoiled though like i literally didn't know anything about the show. Maybe i just don't read anyways moving on this week. The movie we're talking about is mercies was mercy's most anticipated twenty twenty right. Yes yes yes. I thought you were saying weird. Where it's for a second sonny. Say you go ahead and choose the movie. Didn't she say no. I can say the tuggle speedy. Yes promising on woman. When did we. The trailer originally came out and like what was a while ago. December last december or january or before february february. Maybe i feel like it was definitely a long time though. It was probably february. We came back from portland. And i just remember specifically telling people at work like oh. There's this movie trailer. I saw an socal and i was telling everybody like have you heard of it and no one. No one knew anything that i was talking about. But i was so excited for it. Because i love carey mulligan to i hate men this ops. Do you want to. I don't yeah clearly not prepared. But i'm faster than you so came i something i didn't know i was introducing and so now i been talking t- long your movie so now you have to sign up sonatas movie synopsis. Young woman haunted by a tragedy past takes revenge on the predatory men unlucky enough to cross her path directed by emerald fennel fennell Stars scare morgan. Burnham allison brie jennifer coolidge laverne cox burchett. Okay first thing on my list laverne cox is so beautiful. I just have to just on my mind at all times every seen that. She's in beautiful beautiful. The it just doesn't make sense. She's just so pretty long blonde. Hair on my. Gosh yeah not a tiny tiny here. It's so weird. And it's in braids. It's an curls I her outfit choices. Love them so basically so nasa's going to medical school she's going to be a doctor. It'd be great doctor. So good choose the best and then her friend got raped and no one believes her known believes her of course because college and everyone said oh. She was a party girl. Sheep slept around guys all the time. So yeah i would. I believe her first off. The tidal is a twist on fucking what they called that brock turner bitch s promising. 'cause they were like yeah. We'd see he's a promising young man. Like yeah we can't ruin his life that's why he only served six months in control of so yeah the titles a twist on that and then so he was also in college. They didn't want to ruin. His career was pretty much the same thing that happens in the movie so her friend gets raped. They don't believe her they don't want to ruin that guys because he's also meadows will slow. He's like what was the anesthesiologist is. Something he's he's also something and yeah. The dean of the school is like. Oh yeah. I love him so much. She's such a great gifted doctor blah blah blah. It's like wow wow okay. yeah and so presumably. The girl kills herself over it. Yeah because it just traumatic. She got all this shit going on. No one believed her. The fucking court threw her case out made her take back everything she said. Because a lawyer was a bitch offered molina pops savannah nowhere in the movie. But yeah so she. Carry mulligan's character goes on this journey of going out to clubs every week and pretending to be super wasted super just gone so nice guys you know just was really nice guys that. Come up to double check senior okay. She can catch him because they're not actually nice. These men are not nice. Pro men are so gross. I just love this movie because you get to see how the even the nice guys you think like are nice guys not once you get them alone. They're not in their apartment or house or whatever they'll take advantage of you but even besides that like are like yeah they'll be partners in crime. They just allow their by sanitation. Turn a blind eye. Yeah that's just how it hurts so much. It hurts so much so when the the trailer and the movie itself is gonna misleading. So because i was thinking she was working killing her. I thought she too killing them because so she keeps a little journal and she tallies all the men that she liked interacts with and there are different. Colors is blue and there's red black and black. I assume the blow black or kind of the same but read. It's sticks out but now she's not killing them teaching them a lesson. Yeah i'm not drunk and then they're like oh my god i don't wanna have sex with you anymore. She's like yeah. No one ever does so. That's disappointing in itself. Because i wondered if it can kill them. I wanted to kill him. I just i was like wow you know smart medical student like he's got away with a cotton Doing crazy shit and it wasn't but it's a much more realistic approach to the entire thing. And i feel like let's say i was going into it expecting like like a wild like crazy loving. Everyone is yeah for sure because of the ending which no one likes. But it's definitely more realistic because no just going to go round killing kill. You can't just be dexter and get away with it and even though it would be a a great a great story revenge film and it would be great. Yeah but it's not realistic. But it is very realistic. That she lost her best friend. She's going through it because no one believed her. She wasn't there. She feels bad like she feels guilty because she wasn't there for her friend that night to help. Stop it or anything. And so now she goes and tries to catch all these guys and she's living at home with her parents and her parents are like bro. You're thirty what are you doing here. He's working in a coffee shop. Her whole life is kind of like boop and she just plots revenge plan on all these people Which is again didn't believe her friend in the first place in the whole like there's two sides to the movie is her like starting a relationship with one of her Students that you're like you re students not know. Colleagues caught colleagues classmates classmates. Yes whatever classmate one of her old classmates stumbles into the coffee shop burnham he's like oh my god. I had a crush only earns med school. I can't believe how far bo burnham has come. he's being a little bit king stupid little viner and usa hilarious. I loved him thinking king. his standup shows are larry. He's director actor and like he's not like a Another example of a viner trying to movie stars sleep as king bats. And i already said it before stopping action movies but bo burnham has made that transition like perfectly and like he's not like he never overstays his welcome in movies and in this one. He's specifically starring Mike is good. He's funny he. Yeah i feel like he has a better presence. King batches is there for comedic effect but like not in a good way run and he always is like very overdramatic. Telling the dumbest jokes are like super young and barnum burnham is also playing like thirty something year old who just feels like feels a lot more natural onscreen keep up yeah and already being a director an actor like this like he's he's doing stuff. I am excited to see what other like projects he puts out. Because i always feel bad. Because i didn't love eighth grade but i think it's just because i was so excited but it's not a bad film for a first film like it's literally not a bad film. I just feel like i it's a great degrade movie. I just expected more. And i'm like why would i expect more so just let me down but yeah i think about that all the time. I'm like oh god. I saw him. I was telling serenity. Serenity loves him. She loves him and he was wallpaper for a little bit. Like you got this bitch on the phone. Like harry styles back on that i was like yeah. I saw him into an early screening yet. He does a great job in this movie. he's hilarious. He he's still a show especially him and carey mulligan who together This year old. She's she's just the the best. I think pants down. If i were to pick a favorite actress. It's carrie mulligan the range that this woman has to just a wildlife to just be to get me to be. She is a woman to woman but like a multifaceted just all around. She has so many things like she's just amazing gene. Pull off so many things. But i love unhinged like just woman unhinged woman. she's very great playing that role. Yes those are my thoughts so then yet as far as that goes performances in this movie are definitely like great. Obviously those are the top two but still like For coolidge everyone around there does great. Yeah it's just full of already like like the cast is a really good cast. Honestly like it's full of people you'd never usually see. It got submitted as a comedy to the golden globes. Believe interesting or like musical slash comedy. The comedy category. Which i guess makes sense because what else can it be Drama kinda. but like. They're still there's so many jokes in it that it has kind of has to be down as a comedy was more like a dark comedy. House of those dramatic beats Like i said it's hilarious. But i guess that kind of goes in with the tone because i feel like that was another complaint for people is that it's not really totally there. Yeah like serious matter and then all of a sudden it's like we're in a pharmacy onto this tweet. She tweeted about promising. It was like oh my god. I just saw promising young woman. I'm so honored to be featured in the movie. Why is that the best song in the world. I bet to people like it. When it came out i i feel like they probably hated it. Because it's parasol in. It's really not that good of a song is like when you really listen to it now. It's actually it's like a very basic. It's actually greg auction. It's actually great. It's catchy which is exactly what the producer for. Whoever made it for parasol and probably did it and she's like barely singing. It's great but yeah it's catchy and fun. She but yes. I agree totally tone wise. It's all over the place yes. She tweeted the scene. The actual seen the full last season just watch from Loved it so honored and proud of my song. Stars are blind was part is such a powerful amazing film the writer and director emerald fennel. Fennell is a brilliant genius. And i'm so appreciative. Her kind words. Also the violent cover of toxic is the one. I think i mentioned before the soundtrack just in general hits just slap sohar then. I've been listening to it. Since they released the soundtrack like months before the movie came out. Oh yeah you mentioned before. We actually went to go see you. You're that you've been listening to it since it released but we're still talking about how. Oh yeah sorry because you keep hopping all over the place and to town needs to say i. It's only. It's just a lot like the jokes with bo. Burnham in the whole fund in the pharmacy with gerry mulligan and then it gets serious when she gets. She talks to the lawyer or something and he'd like begs for forgiveness feet and then when she tries to act like she kidnaps someone someone's daughter and set him up set her up to be rate when he gets the phone. Oh yeah do you wanna spoiler section. You don't want to talk about this for like the ending at all or like in-depth at all or or no. No one has seen this movie. Notice it's in theater it's on vod. No i just saw a tweet bod. It's on video demand. You can rents it actually. I don't know if you can We should be able to rent it. I'm i would also like to mention woman director. Yes boom so. She was really able to make sure that you could tell what rented for twenty dollars. You can tell what that woman directed it. Yeah because of the way that the men are in the movie and it's not like i feel like sometimes when men try to show that men are bad people. It comes off more funny than like like like. Do you know what i'm talking about. Yeah like cringe or like. I don't know how to explain on offense. Took no not enough antic but like like the men themselves are cringe trying to over overdue. Like like they're playing the part of a bad person like they're like oh. Some men are like this. But i'm not like but i feel like true portrayal. There's a scene in the beginning which is getting catcalled by the construction workers. And they're like using their tools to act like they're stroking their off an an Started and they're like restoring stuff. Stern a stupid bitch and just get mean 'cause yeah now they don't like it sees she got serious in. She's not laughing and most most women would try to like laugh and be like just put their head down and go down and walk away are not laughing. Just just like pretend like they're not paying attention just got to get out of here yes. She literally faces them down and stares at them. And then yeah. It's more happens all the time when women are aren't interested and then men all all of a sudden switch up and go. Oh well i didn't like you. Anyways you're not even that pretty blah blah. I think it does a good job of showing that that difference especially showing like those nice guys And then showing how actually men can twist the story and stuff like Because i don't wanna spoil the ending. 'cause like i said no one's really seen it. Yeah but just how manipulative. I guess men can be into playing the victim Oh also surprise guests schmidt from new girl. I had no idea he was in this movie. i literally i don't think he's in a single commercial. I'd like to give a round of applause to him. He always gives me. He gives me happiness the doors. And you were like schmidt. I love all the tech talks to where they like. Pretend to be him because everyone so good at it. He's just he's just very specific like he he is. He is just schmidt. I don't think he's anybody else Yeah so i don't wanna spoil the ending. But yeah i think he does a good job of showing. I guess that culture men are bad. We hate men point across which i told him to that like. If we were to ever break up an i had to be single again it would just be awful because you never know who's actually a bad guy because you think you have a good guy but then actually they're bad and i've no nick for a while. Sophie was bad. Never been in the situation. But i like to think that if i would never do it myself i would never take advantage of a girl or anything situation where you're like. One of my friends did something bad. I would tell myself like. Yeah no bro. that's bad that's bad by never been in that situation. I just know that that would be my stance it'd be like no. Yeah and i. I've known nixon thais goal that it's like i know i know you as a human being and i know what happened in school to know that you never did any of these things but if i were to meet a stranger completely i would not know anything about them. Anything about their past lives what they were who they did. What with her hung out with anything and that's so scary to me. they could. They could secretly be laughing along too bad things in there. And i would never know i would never know our people want him all right so the biggest thing that i've been seeing on us on this movie is the ending But also just the choices that the movie makes throughout the movie. I guess like. I've been seeing a lot of people saying like. Oh this feels like something. I would have made like with me and my feminists friends in like high school or something and it's like very childish. I saw someone. Say i can't remember for lucy or someone else. But they were like they're really trying to girl boss yeah. I saw that to advance to each their own. I'm not going to disagree. I guess that's how you feel how you feel. I'm not a woman. So i i can't say it's kind of similar to like what we said about soul. It's like i can't really speak to it I i am. a woman. Did feel kinda girl bossy. But it's like why can't we just have people who are able to stand their ground like be gerbasi and people didn't like her monologue at the end now so we're not going to spoil the ending because like i said no one. It's not popular enough movie to where we're like. Yeah fucking spoiler but we recommend to at least rented would love you to see it so that way we can talk about the ending and if you follow us on patriots on maybe we can just talk about it. Our in our dischord. I just wanna talk to somebody. So we'll say that the ending the ending makes the most sense. It's a sad one though. I understand where people are coming from. On how the day is saved. I guess yes because of who saves the day. Yes yes the who saved who saves the day is is annoying because it's like Yeah look at these. People are coming to save the day even though in real life actually they wouldn't get a single would be a part of that culture of the dean being will innocent till proven guilty be So yeah i can understand that but it is still the ending that is realistic Like obviously this movie wanted to take a more grounded approach rather than having her be like a someone someone. I read a review that was like i'd rather had her Kill bill her way throughout this entire movie. Just like a serial killer. Basically So i think it just made sense especially because of those decisions that are made throughout the movie basically her just teaching guys lesson rather than just outright killing them and having that would just be weird for her to suddenly. Be a serial killer. I feel like it'd be weird for her disco. Oh my god you almost rate me. That's bad i'm gonna kill you know instead of being like this is just a lesson to teach you to stop being fucking dumb. Because i'm crazy. And i could do this but i'm going to let you go like i feel like she's like this is what could happen. Affiliates is still a lot of people like just living out like a because yemen suck and so you you just want these men to just die but again she. The director made a creative choice to keep it grounded and keep it as realistic as possible like a realistic scenario. At least so. I think he just made sense. I'm okay with definitely taking a back like this. Not what i expected at all in the ending. Yeah like i was like wait joking. Current out a second alarm pause cut the track. So i will say that standing is good in that it surprises you. Yes yes and also a was that was on. Just call me angel of the morning or in the morning angel of the morning the morning i think on place. Let's go just another song in the soundtrack. The banks deadpool boo. Why and why did we talk about who we news. Now this is the full three dead poultry is going to be setting actually spiderman. No that's what he said he said he was like i wouldn to instead of deadpool. Nobody's three seventy. Mcu is going to be ready to are ya. We'll see interesting anyways. Is there more you want to say about promising young woman. I'm not sure. I was trying to keep it short. But we're kind of all over the place. Yeah great movie. Good movie i gave it a four and a half. I think it was my number three number of my like movies of the of the year after year of metal copy missing so it was it. Was it give me. did it. Satisfy your most anticipation of the year. Yes i feel like. I don't know. I don't feel like it's one of those movies where i would re watch like a billion times like if i like thirteen going on thirty year like like how i can watch wildlife over and over and cry still Right like i would watch it again if that makes sense. But it's not like i would watch it one hundred times like it's a favorite movie Like how you felt with hereditary being the most anticipated but like it satisfied my like okay. I i waited for this hereditary releasing I thought it went midsummer midsummer. Thiry still have. Were you watch them because this movie was so exhausting I've watched it again. I watched the other one. The directors Yeah i think whenever. I think about midsummer registered about how exhausted. I felt after the movie. I haven't wanted to go through. That journey again. Hasn't been the right time so annihilation but yes we can never watch annihilation again even though i really want to watch but when we watched it i don't even know what was way my brains. Her headache melted inside of my skull. And it was promising you five. I can't remember let me get. Let me get go to go to go to get five five. That's an didn't put it that. We re watched it. Did you put the u. s. Because i actually keep up with letterbox low. Well so sorry i went to bed. I did i sorted. I did it the next morning. i think i need like a microchip Ping in my brain to remind me of things like in my brain because my phone. My phone doesn't work like when i try using reminders. I just or something will pop up on my watch. And i go. I go okay. I'll do that later then. It doesn't remind me again. Follow us on twitter and scrim new encounter Balsam subscribe to us patron follows in patriot. Whatever the word is what. Are you doing patriot. I forget bias on patriotair. Never good at that. I'm saying like the key. Did this patron pitcher narcan slash new encounter. Subject us on apple podcasts. Leave us a review review. Follow us on spotify review. Right martin written review. Please write some words if you watch us on. Spotify are listen to us on spotify. Take a screenshot because you can see. My cute covers. And on apple podcast. You can't yes. I think that's the only reason why. I like spotify for listening to the podcast but i like apple because he faces ugly and i think that's all i think he made me forget the last thing i was gonna say but it's fine refers to your friends that's what it was a first year friends. Tell them that you like us. If you like movies everybody likes movies. So it's going to be a big year for movies. I actually realized that our goal is probably not going to happen. Because we're already. We have single movie in january. -cause stupid mandalorian. We added more money to our goal this year. And now sean. Our most are watching movies. Tomorrow are watching two a day. We wake up. Just turn on a movie. go to sleep Good yeah you work at best. Buy eleven or if i work at tesla. When are we supposed to go to grocery shop Tell us your favorite movies are. What are your most anticipated of twenty twenty one area. Go dude this mortal combat. This great jobs for that just came out. There is something else coming out. 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Promising Young Woman Review

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Promising Young Woman Review

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And today i will be talking about a movie that i recently saw in the theater. Not on net flicks and yes. I did go to the movies. it is safe. It is ben safe. Because nobody's in there. I think they cap it at like twenty five percent so the chances of you sitting anywhere near anyone is slim so i and out of state because my state hasn't seen a movie about a year and it's called promising. Young woman came out on christmas day. And i haven't released. I've think i've only seen one review or one preview and that made me want to see it and it's very seldom that i'd see a movie that i don't really know the leads. There were a few people that i've seen before in it. But the lead. I've seen her before carey mulligan but i couldn't place her anyway. Previews are very misleading. And that's what i like about the movie it. What you think it's about it's not. It's not predictable. In any way it's mainly about a woman who seeks revenge on people that have wronged her friend her friend was sexually assaulted and later died and she seeks revenge and everyone who had something to do with them and it's just sounds like a thriller all around but it's very comedic. It's dark comedy there in that movie very well put together main characters very smart and i'll give you some pieces about it and you could see from there what you'd think so at the very beginning. She's she goes to these clubs by herself and she gets wasted and of course guys come over to our or the quote unquote nice is guy comes over to her and shows concern and offers to take her home and she goes home with them. The first guy goes home with them. Now he's a nicest guy out of the bunch because they're all real slimy of talking about her and she's like no. I want to go over and did it. A you know so. He appears to be the nice guy. takes her home in a lift. And he's like you know what the pass by my place. So i did it okay. So she goes to his place any operas her more liquor and then he starts turning into the typical guy who take advantage over and gets her on a bed much use wasted out of her mind and then he gets to the point of taking her clothes off and then she sobers up. Quick scares the shit out of them out of me too. Because i'm like whoa. I thought she was so it was it was. It was really a enact and she does this a couple of times with guys to show that none of these guys newer name where she lived what she did for a living. They were just interested in taking advantage of someone who was drunk and at first. I'm like okay. i know this can't be with. The movie is about taking it. You know trying to pretty much use people who are using you but it really broken up into four sections the movie. She talks about why she does that. And it's because her friend was attacked and she lives with her parents. She is almost thirty. Isn't seeing anyone works in a coffee shop and you know or parents are like okay. What are you going to do with your life. You were in med school great. They give her a suitcase for birthday hint hint. And you know she's like she's just not seeing anybody you know that. She drops out of med school because that's where her friend was attacked. Dropped out to take care of her and her friend later died so she finds out from this guy who's interested in her cozy by the coffee shop that his friend was getting married. And that name clicks. That name was someone who was involved in her friends. What happened to a friend. So everyone that like. I said the dean of the school. I wanna say this was a lawyer brought mistaken on the case at the time She goes back and talks to them and everybody plays you know everybody plays like. They knew they don't quite remember what happened and fast forward. She finds out from this guy. Well no okay fast-forward. She learns that the guy who attacked her friend is getting married so and she also learns that the guy who she's false for had something to do with it as well so she blackmails him. She saw video of what happened and dresses up as a stripper. A nurse goes to the bachelor party of the main guy who attacked get him alone. Chains him to the bed tells him who she is. He's very apologetic and she decides to seek revenge and carve. Her name is chest. he breaks free with one. Out of one chain. Smothers were with a pillow and has very drastic. It's very how he kills her because she doesn't die for a long time. So you're sitting there watching this long drawn out scene and so his friends who were wasted or downstairs. They do nothing about it until the next day they come upstairs she still on the bed with him dead. And he's half chained to the bed and the guys would have happened. He's like it was an accident. It was an accident so they got to get rid of the body. They wind up burning her body and the only person that knew she was there was the guy that she was saying. So parents know nothing about it and cops go and talk to the woman. I mean they go and talk to the guy that she was saying course. He doesn't fess up. He says well yeah. I remember saying that she went on a trip. But i don't remember where so. I'm like damn she went through all this and nobody's gonna know anything. Okay this is where the girl was really smart too. She okay she sends a let okay. She sends a letter to the lawyer saying on such and such a date. I'm going to this bachelor party of the guy who did it. If you get this package that means something happened to me. Send the cops to the wedding so the cops come and they eventually you know. They make their arrests. She sends a an. I don't know this could be done. She sends a text. Okay now she's already dead but she sends a scheduled text to the guy that she was dating at the weddings. Like okay. so you think this is over. It's not enjoy the wedding. And it's like the freaky est things. I'd i'd never even heard of sending a scheduled text and they knew where the body was from the ashes. They had her. She had a chain you know. Those the pendants with a half hearts. She had the name of her friend on her neck. So that was in the ashes and also rewind a little bit the she researched. I think she it was called like blowjob makeup. Like 'cause she wore the same type of makeup real to make her look like a prostitute. He went after the guys who would try. It took advantage over it it really. It really sounds twisted. But it's such a good movie. I actually may see it again. Promising young woman. You have been tuning in to dress. Point of view i can be heard on pod breathe network good pods. Top black podcast. Google podcasts apple. Podcasts spotify anchor breaker spreaker and more feel free to leave me a comment on my website. 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Episode 18: Angie Wells | Carey Mulligan in Promising Young Woman

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Episode 18: Angie Wells | Carey Mulligan in Promising Young Woman

"Everyone has a podcast right now. And i use anchor to create this one. I'll tell you why it's free. I could stop right there. But there's more anchor will distribute your podcast for you. So it can be heard on spotify apple podcasts. So many more there's creation tools that allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or computer and anger will help you. Monetize with no minimum listenership. It's everything you need to make a podcast in one place. Download the free anchor app or go to anchor dot. Fm to get started. Welcome to look behind the look. The new podcast that examines iconic looks in film television music and fashion history. I'm your host. Tiffany bartok hello strangers. So we took a break as you can see and if i were to do a look behind the look of look behind the look i would talk about the behind. The scenes work of kelly reilly. Who takes my brain basically and gets it under control. She creates the graphics editor to episodes. And as you can tell from our content. I tend to be a runaway train that needs to make several stops. But i don't like stopping so she sort of Rains it all in and we went on pause to catch up a little and kelly created some new visuals and such and i love to get your feedback on at all so please take a look at our social and our channel and let us know what you think. You should always check out the youtube channel for the episodes by the way just so you can see the looks that we're talking about. I know i say that every week so it wasn't very good at taking this break. You guys so. I did a lot of interviews and i can't wait to share them with you. The one that you're going to hear today is with angie wells so we talked the morning after the critics choice awards and yes. She was nominated for one. And if you haven't seen promising young woman. I don't know what you are waiting for. It's fantastic and angie's role as makeup department. Head and personal to carry. Mulligan is extremely important to the film and part of what makes it so great. It's a really really really really cool. Innovative interesting Film with a extraordinary script. And i want to hear what you think about it. So let me know if you liked. It be didn't let me know. Angie is a two time emmy nominated makeup artist. She's nyathi member of course an mu hss. I always have a hard time saying guild award nominee. You've seen her incredible work in mudbound. Carry sylvia's love and most recently of course promising young woman with carey mulligan which we are going to talk about today so enjoy our conversation and remember to subscribe and watch along nativity. Have an already see. You can see all the looks that we're talking about. Thanks guys. hi. Angie thank you so much for joining me today. I'm good. how are you doing good. Thanks for having me. It is such a pleasure. The woman who does our editing and all the graphics for the she's sort of the creative director of the podcast. This movie changed her whole life and she was like. We have to get angie. So i was so so so grateful when you said agreed to come on and i'm really excited to talk to you about promising young woman which is an extraordinary film and i wanted to as i was researching you. I also saw that. You are a jazz singer. And that's though. I wanted to talk about that for a second because i just feel like that's something that was so fascinating to me. You are such an accomplished amazing talent. And how do you balance those two things in your career because you are working all the time in makeup. And how do you find that balance. It's interesting What i was doing. Was you know working through the fall in the winter and spring and summer. I wouldn't take a project so that i could go tour in europe I have toured extensively in france and the pianist. That i work with the niger. Now than he. And i do quite a bit of work together over there so i obviously didn't go this last summer. He it's funny. I don't think it's also running together now. Like i can't remember. Did i go to or was i two thousand eighteen like last year and a half. Just kind of be like a weird learn but yet it's It's an interesting balance. And then i try to do some local gigs. While i'm here in la. So and then. I'll be this year for the last. I guess the last three years with the exception of last year's anti go to new york to perform in some buildings. But i normally sing if the makeup guild award i stay me The memorial. that's fantastic. I'll be sending out again this year courses virtual but that's great dark ahead of time with my band that's fantastic. I love that. Yeah what is the timing of this project promising young woman. When did you film it before the shutdown or yes we shot this actually in the air let me do. Let me get my mind right right. We shot this late. Spring of two thousand nineteen. It was like late march. April but i believe. We finished the last week in april. Because i remember. I was so exhausted. I booked myself to go to a spa retreat. My based seconds rightfully. So you deserve that yes. I can't imagine the amount of heavy lifting that you had for this film. It was it was it was. It was really think it was a short shoot. Okay very time demanding. Lhasa looks in one day. And you know you had like okay. You've got ten minutes to make that change and we're not going to exit the trailer so you can always you'd have like being prepared for anything all the time wherever you were because we had such time constraints that there were often days were there was just not to go back to the makeup trailer to change carries. Look so we will be changing her. Look whatever house we were in or wherever we were and they would bring sometimes this little extra trailer for us to to change her makeup. So yeah it was a. It was a very fast. Yes fast out so so. Did you ever have to do blow up doll. Look and then take off down and go back to it or they were very enroll was very conscious of that. Thank god especially since you know we were. We had a lot of time constraints. They couldn't be. There was no time to sort of like go back and forth so we really pretty much shot things in a way that we didn't have to do that which i'm grateful. Yes that would have been quite difficult because the looks were so different. Yes yes so. I before i almost jumping to developing those looks but before we do that how how did you come to the project carrier me. i had worked with carry on mudbound. Okay we just clicked and she was really lovely and i really just. I liked her energy and she liked what i did for her. And what was that. What was that. She liked what i did for her. Like what do you like. The look with natural is that was a very her character. Necessary was replaying spoken woman so we had to see her. Go from sort of this Woman who lived in know a major southern city to suddenly move out on a mud farm with her husband. So i had to take her from this sort of playing but refined young lady to someone who you know with out in the mud all day and not happy and you know life was hard so she liked the way we did that transition and i know that the one of the nice that We we had a party scene before her character. Devolved into the miserable life on the farm and her hubby came to set. Andy said she'll so pretty. I really liked makeup in so maybe felt real deal really good if they recognize it. Then you know you've accomplished something right mike. You're making i think also you know. She had just had she was still nursing. E b And there's a scene in mudbound where she had to bite calluses off october fingers. I was in nursing mother. When i had my son and i remember saying to myself i do not want her to have some weird chemical in her mouth while she's trying to nurse. This baby liked is just. I just don't want this thinking. Okay what can i do for calluses. That will look natural. But i know won't be harmful. So i decided to take golden raisins and flatten them out and spread the mountain in they. Did they just like old calendar able to wipe them off. And i felt like okay. I'm not there's no chance that like her baby's getting to get nuclear chemical or anything thursday this nursing mama with nurse. I was like you know so digilent- with everything. So i wanted to pass that same vigilance on for her and business of safety that i had for myself and then how did how did they adhere. They were just gummy enough to at ear that i was just able to china tech down And it worked very innovative. That's great that's great. I know you're like just a light bulb that came on. That's great so so then you when you read the script for this so carries like i'm working on something and i want you and you read the script and where you just blown away. It's so unlike anything. That's i compare it sometimes to people who asked like to heather's of this generation. But you know i just. It's so creative so innovative and you must have just been so excited and just like let's get to. It was the first thing you did. Well i think. I remember that when i was reading the script it might my agent said. Yeah they said the like the makeup. I think you're gonna see make us a character your ass in his So i was reading the script. And when i got literally like i can't remember what page number was but this team where she sits up in the bed and says what are you doing. Yes yes i was sold. I me because you know you're reading. Oh god this guy's gonna she's taken advantage of like reading it with your heart in your mouth off and then suddenly there's like the twist and i was sort of course of course so then so then i read somewhere. I think it was variety that you were talking about how you wanted a diy aspect to her face and that is much harder than to execute than you would think. I'm sure kerry you know knows how to do her makeup. You know what i mean. It has a certain routine. So how did you go about teaching her how to make it look like a youtube tutorials. I think you compare it to which was like too much highlighter. Miss are too much trying to work not properly blend not not flawlessly limited. It's blended but there's something this mat. I finished about it You know just just making sure that. I didn't do perfection. Yes that was the thing i wanted to lift like. This was somebody who had sat and looked at ease youtube videos and hence you know practiced at home and did the best she could. Yes yes what she had and so it was important to me that it did not look perfect because i felt like if it looks like she didn't do it. Then we're taking people out of the story. Yes it was it was. It was a unique look because my favorite one. I don't know why and maybe you can. Maybe you know why my favorite one was when she's in a black dress and she's coming out and she's found by her boyfriend right. Her made per dash eum best. Okay i loved that look. I've seen it so many times on girls and it just made her look so different and convince me she was the character one hundred percent and it was unbelievable and also didn't take me out of it just like you're saying so so did you guys have fun coming up with these looks. Yeah how did yeah. Did you test them and some were. What didn't work okay. I think we shot this whole movie in like twenty three or twenty four days. That's amazing so with the hours were like seventeen eighteen. No okay and then did you and carry. Come up with them. Did you come up with them. Execute them on kerry present them to emerald. What was the process of that. Yes i basically What i did was i you know. After reading the script. I jotted down some notes and i started pulling images that were kind of inspirational for me. Shared those with them. Real may on the right track. Carey was very open to whatever we felt that needed to be done to make the look go so it was almost like she just sat in the chair and she let it happen. She you know was like this is. I'm gonna watch my character. Watch myself become this person and then i'm gonna go with it. And she really was very open to allowing me to to create it to create whatever look wise and have the freedom to create it with her lesson because kerry had so many books and sheep within just about everything is I spent most of my time with her and my key. A lot of people are pet. Another makeup artist for laverne. So yes we just you know. It was one of those juggling things. It's just squeeze it in and knew what you can't. Yes and now i mean you're you're in the awards circle it's all buzzing. And how does that feel well. It's been nice. It's we've got a lot of buzz. We didn't really get to the finish line we got i mean what is that you know is it. It's all perspective right. I mean your name is there that is amazing with the company of such incredible incredible makeup. Partisan i just i i must but i wonder how it feels like. Are you a little bit. Like all know the covid year i want to go to. The party's plan better the other night and relaxing. Because my husband and i we critics choice and so i put on a quick little dress and he put on like a tuxedo. Jacket shirt with jeans on the bottom and so long you have all the lashes and the whole lamb all of ten minutes. While i was on camera during that was that it was over. We like change and sat down. Yeah i do. I have to admit i missed. All the wonderful socializing. That usually happens with how. Well i have a feeling. That's going to be another nomination for hugh down the line one hundred percent so there will be the live experience for sure. I know so. I know so i mean the work you did in. This movie is just phenomenal. And what what were some of the things that you depended on working with when you like. Are there any products or things that you swore by in the that you found yourself going to over and over again yes. There is a company called hostess. Who makes these wonderful tent lip bombs. I used those for kerry when she was her regular chassis character. When she was doing her skies they're very sheer but the nice tent and moisture to without looking like lipstick so that was something that i just i. I used on her every day that she wasn't or for every single she wasn't so carry so there was on. Did you have names for of the carries like did you. Have you know the family one at the breakfast table. And the one of the coffee shop and then these disguises have did. They have different names. You know some of them. I did name just like you know. Obviously homemade kardashian been there was coffee. Shot cassie because that was cute and then i guess the other one that i made Was the nurse was just the nurse because that was you know its own. It's all look altogether. Yes so we didn't talk about the nurse. Tell me about. Tell me about the development of that nurse. The nurse was my. I think it's going to be the next halloween costume for everybody right. That is going to be the hollering and the nurse was interesting for me because it was kind of like i wanted her to reflect a little bit of a blow up downs but with an edge to it so it was like the why is big. I love you know overly drawn lip look but then with mike edge. a little bit gerry edited. That was the thing So what i did was her was a trick that we use quite often to make an island larger. And what i did with as you. Put the liner on beneath the waterline. But you met quite a bit of distance So underneath the lashes nat in the lashes in the waterline. But underneath so basically what you've done is given space to create the illusion of a wider or larger white of so i feel that space that blank space then with a nude shade of a liner and it basically creates the illusion that the is much we love but it's it's a strange bigger because it's it's abnormally bigger. It's almost like do you remember the video scream. Bet kevin equipment. Yeah and you remember. How big her eyes look. Of course it was that it's that way that you create the illusion. Johnson but that i can look a little freaky has and so. That's what i did with that. And then and then did you use a double. Did you use a coal pencil or used. I used eye-shadow i n line and liner and then i put a lower lash at that place where the The lash line was not so beneath. It creates this. You know very giant. Love that i i. It gives an edge because it's not it wasn't done beauty way. It was done in a way to kind of almost jarring. Yes yes i mean. It was successful for sure. So angie how did you come to the movie world like how did you start. Well definitely a cricket really. Oh yeah yeah i i was a science may know remade. Yeah like the whole deal. And then i worked as a corporate trainer stopping. I love your insurance company years ago. I'm a little more mature than i look. And you you. You're saying you had like a whole life. Before i can relate i can relate so so you just did make up on yourself make. It was just your love. You weren't even doing it on people at this point. Well no ashley. When i was a teenager is kind of really convoluted story i modeled and my agent noticed that. I had sort of a natural talent team junior models high fashion the teenage type miles and she noticed that i had a knack for doing makeup so she asked me to help some of our other new faces on their photo shoots to. Do you know fresh clean. Looks and that's kind of how i started Inbetween there you know went to college Got this job is a corporate trainer. Ended up getting laid off from the the training department because the company pretty much made the training department. Smaller simpson didn't generate money. Okay and i was one of equal last in first out so and it was fine with me. They had had hunters may want us to go with an after like ahead to win of us. Method this so. I thank them doing much for their services for the head hunters and i decided to go to cosmetology school. Become hairdresser and i was a hairdresser for a few years. It's the really nicest salons in the city. That i lived in and then i decided to become an industry salted always building young. I will work with corporate women and do their wardrobes do their color analysis helped them with your color blah blah blasts like a total image. Go through Go to their homes and take out the pieces in their wardrobes. That weren't you know. Flattering or warned a good coming from that whole yup total image thing and decided like okay. I'm i'm digging doing that and then guide there's the latte you're gonna miss because i can't give you all the d. Just be here forever. I'm getting married a second time and my husband had a job in chicago and so we moved out of philly philly. Okay i lived in philly for awhile. Okay that's my whole love it. I love it and we moved out of there in into a suburb of chicago and then they immediately sent him on the road like he were newlyweds. Suddenly home by myself. You would come home every two weeks for the weekend. No there for like a year and finally came home we. Did you know what. I don't think i would have picked live in chicago by myself. So he said well. Where do you live. It means that. I can come home anywhere weekend. So pick where you might think that you want to do research if money were no object. What would you do now. It's like well. I think out to la into make fulltime like. I think i'm ready to graduate that and so we planned a trip. I came out grew the big makeup convention and set up some meetings at some of makeup schools. While was here met with some people who i have been reading about. What could mentor me. Wrote them met with them while it was here And was back here. Three months later enrolled in west more cavanaugh and working with the mentor. Who actually was helping run an agency and she helped me style was working. Third day i was here was the mentor her. Name's marietta carter. Nursing g was probably one of the biggest black makeup artist. At that time it was twenty some ago we were just on the phone last night. You still in touch still. It's funny circle too. Because i've been able to like give. Her jobs like remember helps these. Why just call her last. I was like okay. I'm sending this your way to do it. So that's been great being able to To do that. I really really appreciate it being love this story. I love this so so you started that. That was really the breakthrough and then he started doing films that way. Once you've got to la you hit the ground running. I did i literally. And i hit the ground running as a department has oh my god and i think what it was for me. Was that having come from you know. My degree is in marketing management. Finally when i did go ahead and change my major and all that stuff so and having worked in the corporate world i understood it as a business and i knew what i wanted and so i went after that i wanted department hit. And that's what. I focused on focused on learning how to lend departments and basically have been a department head almost started. Isn't that something. So what would advice with your background in marketing and business. And what do you see in the younger generation that you would like to give a blanket advice statement to i know think about yourself as a business and stuff but like was that. What does that mean you know. I would say when you go in. If you wanna be a department hit you have to think about this as a multifaceted. Gye you are not only there to do makeup and Be the boss. Which i don't really love that term. I don't think myself that way. it's all in. The collaboration is without your team. You're not great. But i think that you need to understand what's happening with the producers and what they need to get done as well as you need to get done in the trailer with the actors and with your staff. It is not just on the boss. Everybody do what i say. It's not that Because the reality is it takes a village to make projects work and we are as department heads. I often feel the go-between between the producers and our staff So it's a. it's a collaboration. All the way around. And i just think that you know understanding things like there is a budget you need to work with. There are time constraints you need to understand how to work within their scheduling. You need to understand that. It's not just about as a department hit at all and if you think that that's all about you're not going to be successful right. I love that. That's so well put. And with all that that you have to take in and balance and compartmentalize like how do you i guess. That's why you book the spa on may second so your family's like mom's working she's balancing a business right now while this is happening there they roll with it. And then you just show up after it's over and decompress and then you get back to you so you must be very selective with your projects. Is that the secret to doing that. Yes i've gone to a place where i can be selective And choose things that. I feel matter to me. It's not just worked for me And i have always kind of felt that way especially once. I started taking more films. The story needs to any to feel something. And i need to feel that this movie is gonna matter some way even if the light hearted thing. It's a family you know my next projects family projects. That's important too because we need to have family. Oh my god. I'm so sor no. Don't worry because i can edit this. You can go get water. Yea i can edit it out well kelly-kellyanne yeah so it needs to matter so this this family story that i'm gonna work on family things. We meet things that are like still a little bit a and still a little bit fun. You know there are some kids. The parents want to keep innocent fourteen tomorrow. And he's he's fourteen. He is not fourteen going on twenty five and i've worked very hard. My husband and i were very hard. I love that to be sure that it's like that So yes that is important. Because it's a nice fun family story. Something i feel that will contribute something Valuable in that it offers of family and mice clean place for entertainment You know the the story of promising young woman for me was something that was important. It needed to be told it needed to show this thing. That happens with knifes guys that people don't think of everything i do. It has to have some kind of meaning the project. I'm going to work one after after this fill is is another project that means something to me. You mean to projects from now or twenty twenty five right the wonderful. That's great. that's great that's great. You know as a blessing. that's wonderful. yeah but picked has demeaned something you know and i love period. I'm a huge fan of period work. i like either going back in time and making it look as accurate as possible so that people can get lost in the story. I'm hoping someday bit you know. Get a call for something. That's futuristic like. Yes that like make my own. I was thinking that. There's not enough futuristic stuff because you know what what can you make up that we don't already have you can like teleporting and that's it. We're a little spoiled in the tech department. I think we got days. I mean got the kid talking about this going to be a day where you're gonna be able to talk to somebody and see them on. Your phone does yet. So jet yes. That's a we are the jonathan's the jetsons yes exactly optima jets or get into next is when our cars which would be great but this project after this one did. Is that period wonderful okay. Another one that's coming up now is not period is its current store which i felt was important but the one after this is period and it involves some social consciousness that i'm very Attached to a wonderful I believe in. Unfortunately we have to be aware of sadly some of the ugly life is yes but that brings me to a question that that i was gonna ask you just for the moms out there. How do you. My son will be twelve. He's a pisces too. So he'll be twelve next week but you know and how do you keep keep him. How do you keep your son innocent. How do your husband and you roll like that. Like because if he watches the news for five seconds. I'm suddenly telling him what you know. Promising young woman's about i'm like what is the words coming out of my mouth. You're so how how do you do it. you know. I think what it is that when he was really young we didn't we like one of the last parents to my give into okay. You can have a phone Really liked late with i wanted. Yeah yeah and then teaching him things lake you don't you don't get on the phone during dinner. Yes manners but i mean it would be weird because we'd be out places in all the kids at the table would be on the phone and he took us and we look at her and then like a mother would say. Oh you know we're gonna recite. We don't do that like we have a meal together. Be meal fashion. i don't know but So i think just sort of setting up his life that way now. Of course there are things that he knows. But there's a there's a part of him as sort of like. I don't know that okay. Yeah i know. I'm like you know in that in your things like oh. This is awkward. This is awkward. I don't wanna see even like to see people kissing right right right. Oh he's so sweet. What what does he want do does he. Does he know about films. And what you do does is he interested. Yes he used to wanna be marine biology okay from the time he was three and headed. It's band of knowledge of the ocean creatures and we will take him down to the long beach Aquarium in at like six seemed stand in front of the taste and act like a tour gutters cute fact. He should work a mezza so and so in. This is a live live to this and and it does that. I would actually have some time. Some of the workers come over. Say like you should get down here with the program would be great. When he was five he asked us. We'd gone to visit my mom in. There was a an exhibit at the natural history museum on bioluminescence. And he's like. I wanna go see that bio weeping nestle. Stop it and you're into science too. So this makes sense comes from it comes from me. Yes exactly but you know. I think he's lost his. He's kind of waning now. He seems more like he might be into some type of the tech jobs designing bangs or worked in an i think the last year they've all been so late with zoom zoom. Zoom will everything it's tech. It's i feel bad for them is. There's no. he's thirteen should be hanging out with his friends movie soon. Su so yes the next two movies that you make you'll be able to go see it in a theater or angie. I could talk to you all day. I loved talking to you. I probably should let you get on with your day. You probably are. You've been so busy because of all this award. Buzz and everything and i'm so so excited for you because you're working phenomenal. I'm so happy that people are are recognizing it the way that it should be and celebrating it. And i'm glad you're celebrating it. I'm gonna away. I'm going to have to have you come on and talk about your piece when it comes out to be. That's actually television. Show okay so it's going to be a bit long running into be one. We'll talk about that. When when you i not what it is. I'm not announcing a yet has been announced that i'm on it so i'm just yes exactly. Yeah i now the the way it's like nda's and you hear about things and you're like is this thing you know what i mean in the industry and you're like code words for this but will no one will know and i will be so excited to see your work again and hopefully have you back. Thanks so much for joining us again. Everybody and this was your first time. I hope you'll come back next week because we're talking to somebody who inspires me so much personally. And who is one of the most. Glamorous i know she is the queen of the night herself. Diane brill and we're gonna learn about how she got that name and How this this conversation was like a night out. It was a much needed girls. Talk our that boys. You will enjoy as well. I can't wait to share our wild conversation with you guys in some of these stories that Diane shared and we talk about basquiat. 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Promising Young Woman - Movie Trailer Reviews

"Welcome back to move podcast. You does chris here with the full crew. Got row amd brennan here. It's been a while since we actually did one of these. Not just all three of us. But like i feel like it's been a while since i've actually reviewed a movie it is it's been a i kind of just gave up on the end of twenty twenty. I was like do nothing else. So Yeah but Yeah i went to sleep. I went to sleep. It wasn't even it wasn't even intentional. I sat down. I woke up and it's like a month later. The i feel like i did enough like we're in the middle of a pandemic. Did it enough reviewing earlier this year. I'm just don't care. Like he has has walk us on anything out about doing voting or anything this year like is there anything happening this year out something about top ten list so we need to get on that day did ask about a top ten list. They did ask about that. Okay we have to find out about that. Because i know usually around the timer also rushed to the senate a list for them to do their awards. But i'm like are there in words. Are they even doing awards next year. Like what's what's the schedule going on for this. I don't know. I don't really for real sea. Wow i wish we through my credit group out here. I wanna fight everybody. They wanted to vote. What would be next week. And i was like. Have y'all even been watching movies. They're think list. I shouldn't say people they think lists left much to be desired so we had to push Nominations back until the first week until january. And i've been I've been posting in the group. Basically shaming people. Is anybody seen. This one person told me. I don't know if i can watch that you know. I'm just really stressed out enough about race relations in america. I don't need to have to watch anything about it anywhere else. Or the yeah. Yeah they were. I didn't know they were that white. Until they said that. I also didn't realize they didn't realize what kind of black person i was. So they have been getting exclusively A nigga made this recommendation. Since the day they utter. That word like i spent all of the small films in their forty year. Old version Sylvia's love one night in miami night of kings. If it had anybody who was darker than eggshell. I have recommended. I've been an international film recommending person. The only way they got a white person. 'cause mad did another round and but i was so pissed i was almost nonfunctional with the level of i would like stab you face nece. Yeah that's right so you said i shit i just saw the email about are the top ten list. Like if you're gonna run one. I didn't really everybody else was kind of just giving up for rose group which is like still being weird so yeah like normally we're rushing in there we gotta get up before the golden globes. That's just not happening this year. Everybody's like yeah. You know whatever you're doing. thank you say. Bring remember how. Netflix ran last year. How strong net flicks was prominent minister. Where last year this year. What is netflix. Going to send us to watch. And i'm looking at everything i get in the mills like something. I've seen four months ago. Something i've seen five months ago. I'm like oh then they stopped. They start rolling stuff out. They were like why are we even doing. This is no. They're not they're they're did. You have have either one of you got my ramey rainy. No well lincoln. Lease kinda figured. Here's the other thing too. Like i didn't even bother to ask for links to this one eight so maybe i did i just again just got to the point where i just kind of gave up too feel i know. Probably the five leads in the mail so marlena probably come I know there are several stuff. That amazon actually amazon went really strong this year. So they've been going pretty strong but also feel like at some point. Some people were like seriously are they're gonna be. I think the academy awards are still happening but like our new the other award happening because in you stuff. It is to any award stuff pretty soon. As far as i know everybody is pushing back. Even like they're still doing it but they've extended the the period of eligibility. That's why everybody's trying to push out the movies at had act like wasn't going. Give anybody in twenty twenty one until twenty twenty one and that's why suddenly we have such a full december slate right because all of those dates are now though if they get even a nominal run in they can be eligible. But i don't think they're closing anything until january. Now i don't think so either because of the reason why i'm looking at some of the cell coming probably watch them with this up but like you guys are not going to get. You're not going to stress me out at the end of the year because you all decided it last trying to throw things. I will watch it when i watch it. I've got me off. It's how long how much they tried to make people watch stuff on their schedule by giving you screeners in only three days. Yeah that's good but the also gonna tell me he was going to ask for a sylvia's love not to with somebody else. They haven't gotten amazon. They haven't gotten back to me. Should open to the twenty third. So i'm like. I'll wait until the twenty third thing is just like okay. I don't care lug. we're not you're not. You're not stressing me out when we all not going nowhere next year anyway like i know that the next year either even with the vaccine. So y'all can i'll try. We're going to be be normal next year. But yeah i was acting like normal is like next week. Why why are people acting like this about to be next week. What is that about winning award in two thousand twenty two. Gimme year like who wants to win an award next year. That's that's there is other shit washing our stuck in the house that nobody went anywhere to see and yada yada like i don't know man. I think that they i think movies. That wouldn't ordinarily have gotten a chance. Might actually have a chance of being seen being talked about because so many more people one of the reasons. My critic group is so aggie is because I think they kind of got a little upset because i wasn't very understanding when they wanted to complain. Y- other other cities and other critic guilds their allied offices. They didn't shut down the way san diego's shanty san diego's just basically threw us up the deuces the day after the screening for burnt orange. Heresy and they had a wish that things might be changed and we immediately got an email with them saying. Hey so we're gonna be working remotely but only the people who want work. And then the next thing i knew i couldn't get a response from anybody for anything so i got on a hustle and you know chris knows i started reaching out to people in la from when i used to cover more stuff for la stuff so we could hit stuff. And i would be more on the dc drop date. 'cause san diego lag behind sometime and that's how i started being able to get more screeners. No one else out here went on a hustle like they didn't do film festival stuff. They didn't follow up with any emails to people who were sending them stuff even when it was slow and they had the time so now that the times coming. I have no sympathy for anybody in this particular market. Who kinda sat down and said if they want me to see delegate it to me and not after every brown person i frigging. No got on a hustle. It had to beg borrow steal to shit even know everything was virtual. So how can if. That's the case then on the other side of that the people who if i ain't gonna hustle to ask for it. I didn't feel like they were hustling to get it out either. So i'm looking at this year. I don't. I don't see that hustle for any studio whether they had good movies and not this year. Some stuff just hopped up on amazon. It just popped up on. Who and it was stuff that i was like. Oh they're going to put that up for an oscar rent. That's cool. And i only noticed. Because i got it in the mail just now. I didn't know that because of what was rumbling on the internet's about this stuff commoner to push in a year where people were stuck online doing shit. I feel like the marketing was terrible. It was like he just wasn't there and with the exception of amazon studios. I think everybody else's sat down social media amazon studios went when hark. But you know. Here's the thing though to amazon studios go harder. They used to what they normally do. Because i don't think i will say this amazon. Ceo ifc also they. They always stuff. So it's like some of the studios are thing or just doing what they normally do now. The big ones though. I think there will try and figure out what the fuck they're trying to do for that like i even i know they send things out for for one woman but i didn't even bother trying to ask about the deepak from What's that one studio always does like twenty five now neon. I didn't get any well here. He might be delayed delayed. Like okay for one thing. I do know if your credit group time that they were pushing back. They're voting. They put the order of when they started. Mailing things out according to win. They think you're guild is about to vote. So it's not smart at all but critics who are inserting guilds are getting things on a lag there. Some critics who haven't gotten anything yet. The only reason why we got stuff is because we still told them we were doing think lists in december and if they wanted us to be able to consider their projects they needed to make sure that we at least had links and we got slammed with links and then behind it. Some of them are like if you'd like us to send you the physical disks let us know but other people. I got my neon book. I was the last one last year to get any on book. Y'all had on the book almost a month before. I got mine. I got my own christmas. I don't have my own neon email about in your book. And the i usually be on it. I ain't got right at. I think wherever wherever washington told them when you always voting is when they put you on the prairie for your packages to come out. And i think so too because i am a brand new. Might be getting too. I have informed delivery for a usps of us postal service. and i. i didn't order anything from amazon. And those will use the packers are coming in. That's how i'm starting. I'm starting to slowly start getting things. Yeah i'm turning you say well no it doesn't. It's not even tell me who was coming from. It just says coming from this address. And i've linked at address now netflix. So every time. I get like a two pound package or one point six pound package. Like oh this yeah. I just got slammed this past week. A twenty four justin stuff here I just got the documentaries. Plus i'm your woman from amazon studios in y'all have not seen i'm your woman. I really need to watch that. Mandate i watched it yesterday. It's on amazon. So i know i know i just got the screener but i've already seen it right. I watched it last night. Okay i'll watch. I didn't know it was on emily. You should've told me that. I was waiting for it to come into the screener. I'll watch that that later. This week to they they too early they pull. They pushed it up. They was that film festival and then they were talking about how it got picked up and then they didn't have a release date in the next thing you know. They decided they were. I'm your woman in the mix and they gave it a december date. Kinda did issue with kevin costner film to amazon put to get you. They popped up on amazon. My dad was like you've seen this movie back. Yeah i was like. I heard it was coming but i didn't know was up. I look on amazon. Yeah do we need to talk about him. Crazy white people didn't push screeners for lot of this stuff. Like i was like okay. That's our that's pr companies. I mean la. I there to pr companies out here. That went crazy and everybody else kind of wit quiet. But there's this one company that i think they just started smashing people's clients studios realized other pr firms were shuddering or slow playing. And the only reason why. I've gotten any any play like on. God that's why your email should have been top notch. I'm sorry where everybody working. And the only communication everybody stuck at home. Critics literally stuck at home the amount of time that we spent traveling back and forth theaters and trying to organize. And all that stuff completely gone now it should have been farting us with great is like i was. I knew i was going to get jingle jangle in the mail a month and a half ago i was like. There's no way. I'm not going to get jingle jangle the mail. They didn't even try. They didn't spray didn't even do it. I was like. Where's i'm kind of upset. I didn't even get jingle jangle. And i don't wanna watch. I stopped watching. This should up to thirty minutes. I don't even want it. But i was like damn. They didn't even better initiative on christmas. Eve better not arrived on the twenty fifth. I read the point where i just. I don't care right now. Because i'm i'm burned out. I don't care. I'm actually glad that that's even 'cause i'd be saying i'm gonna watch that and we like to watch this. I mean i am. I'm anxious for you guys to get to see some of the stuff. I got to see earlier. chris. You know i lost my mind in some of the stuff where i would at. Least go in and get to see the preview During the film festivals. 'cause you let me take the sneak peak but you know some of the ones that we wanted to see and we talked about. They only had them available for purchasing press. So we could only go and look at the snippet and we couldn't see anymore or there was one that we wanted to see typical. We did tell me that this now available. I need to return to the people about ninety down on bucknell issue. When we you got another round cool they asked me. If i wanted to see antebellum and i was like if you're going to just sent me a link fran the initiative to me more. We talked whether there's a reason why the the black people who they did send it to make me look if they give us that you know we. We can make that a review. Let's do email saying you should receive a screener length for anti-belo on twelve fourteen okay. That's a premium. let's let's topless. We're talking about a movie that we saw. We didn't want to see and they us a link to this. I've been wanting to see promise of women all year. Yes man so we heard a review promising young woman And let's see a young woman. Traumatized by a tragic event or a bit in her past seeks vengeance against those who cross her path Yeah and of course. I think it's very vague enough. It needs to be vague because this movies. Yeah movies is a lot it. Your i know we saw row you and i saw you say well i knew you were gonna say relation. Yeah walk into the these fall into the rape revenge type of films. I hate the fact. There's actually a jonah film now because it needs to be but what you mean how. It's always been it's always been like there's been seemed to be an uptick. Some of these recently trash you know. Listen listen i. We don't have to keep saying that because i know that we are trashed minister asked but don't we don't we try and i spit on your grave as like eight sequels. Is it up here right. Well i mean different ones. Can we say a higher quality version of this particular trope. I will say that. Because like i said brandon you do need violation off of the back of my thing. Here's my can cannot see a revenge rate or film. That doesn't actually have the graphic rape in it. Well there's this one aren't they. It's terrible. I don't wanna be subjected to it because then i want to punch every do instead including myself face around like i just don't want to see it but this is what makes this. I think what makes promising a woman So good in the fact that it. It's a rape revenge film but it it. Avoid a lot of the troops. I think have plagued those types of films four and and so it makes it. I don't know what's more satisfying away. I guess i don't. I don't know how i don't i look i i love you know. I love revenge movies. I liked the fact that anything that had to do with the exploitive nature relationships when it comes to sex with men stopped at just the right point or it was done with like a side profile kind of flash semi vignette or montage moment. They never ever put that. That was never the central piece and when they needed you to really understand that something absolutely horrid it happened. They made some of the best use of sound production and and and and and audio selection. That i've seen in quite frankly. This is probably the highest quality revenge movie dynamic or like that still has it has thrills it has twists but all the stuff that you were talking about is what makes those movies pretty much. Just torture porn there. That's what it is. It's completely last house on the left. Or what was the one with a woman. The girl gets raped house on left. Right i mean the parents go missing. Revenge lake until you force me to watch the rape scene in the middle and it's unnecessary like i don't need to see that to understand it rate is terrible and i feel like y'all are doing this because it's sexual torture part that's what it is and it's take me pulls me completely out of because i'm like i just wanna go home now and eat ice cream or something because i feel fucking tower. Watch that shit man. It ruins everything for me. It's just ask for one of the things that they were playing directly like with carey mulligan and emerald fennell when she her entire direction of all of this i think she was playing directly into a lot of those tropes. Because this movie isn't just a revenge shown especially when you figure out who cassie is. Cassie played by what mother right Carey mulligan who are now door. Extra extra okay. Let's say because. I saw her in this and i was like. You're going to see it as soon as i said that carey mulligan was playing. Cassandra thomas i was in the way that they gave her so much. This is not just about this will is less about the rape and more about the thing that no one ever really talks about when somebody is violated. In that way it's about the aftermath. It's about the fallout and it's about the trauma that carries beyond just a person who's at the center of what happened. And that's why i think this works. You don't need to see anybody physically like violated for this work at an and especially when it's also playing into all the different stereotypes and tropes of men and how they exist now the excuses that are made for them and the way they talk themselves into doing well. Yeah it's about all the two of the truth is more about all the enablers right. And how even the good guy is still the bad guy and it is like. There's no good man in this film right and like everyone looks bad and you see everyone who enables these things that happen which to me is has always been. It's always the more calm this. What makes us better right. It's a more compelling story to tell because it's the story that actually tries to show and highlight how these things happen and how they continue to happen right. The rate resumes because a rape prevents they stopped really at the rapist. It's really comes down to them and comes amid sound right and it becomes a right and becomes about them. It's like win. The way promising on woman is it really is about what that is to the victims and victims not just the woman violated but also the people that try to support them as well and how alone an island they become and what that can do in the long lasting effects of that and how many people men and women that abandon them for these different reasons and like this is all these will be done from our one. I visited to me one of those films. That comes out and says oh. You can't do these kinds of films anymore without a least understanding at least watching this phone first and then taking from an understanding that you can't just do that bullshit that you were doing before there's going to be good. They need to tell more of the stories with these characters because ultimately things that get on my nerves the thing that gets on my nerves about rape revenge films is like you said it becomes less about the victim in more about the violators. And how we're going to get them back so ultimately the first film anyway like spit on your grave is it turns into like a superhero film for violated rape victims. Where all of a sudden she starts. Rigging shit like kevin mcallister to torture these men. Who fucking tortured her. And while you cheer on w. like those dudes fucked them up terribly at the same time. There's no self reflection on what rape actually does to a person. There's nothing about the trauma from it. She just bounces back. It really is like the man up of rate clear. Yoda raped. you may get them back. And i don't want i don't want to cheer her own getting them back but also wanted to be acknowledged it when people get rate you take something from them you take something from them as a person who they are in a can't get that back. It doesn't matter if the torch you shit out of those people that did this. They don't fully recover from that ever. And i think that this film not only just focus is on the trauma but showing her her way of trying to get these men back is also a broken way rate. She's not there. She's not all there she's not who she was anymore. Even if the incident is was an indirect incident. it's still affected her second hand just as strongly as an effect. It affected the victim. Who had happen to write like. It's it's a whole lot as a whole lot of thought put into a very compelling story about how rate it sucks everyone around the victim in it. How they all are changed from that experience whether they were there are not a whether it's all second third or fourth hand. It's just a terrible thing. That i think is understated constantly when we have conversations about rape culture and we have conversations about boys will be boys and everything else you. I think i think a lot of directors before this thought showing the graphic -ness of rate and we see that in men's films as well. We're meant we said films were men get raped and stuff they think showing the craftiness of the rate will make people look at it and go man rape is bad but clearly as a culture that has not been enough well turn people away from a complete to wear something that has diminished and we keep enabling people to be able to go out here and do it in such could guy. I love listening to you. You're such good guys why we For me watching this movie it was less about it being just a rape revenge story and i'm noticing that people are really kind of really focusing on that but we have to remember. Cassie was not the one who got raped that that this this cassie is the survivor of something. That happened to her best friend in medical school. And i'm going to leave it like that because anymore as a spoiler but a promising young woman is exactly exactly what both of you guys are talking about in ways that it really confused me. That people had a problem with they kind of called it like. I don't think that they were trying to build a superhero. I think they were or like they were trying to go into the grow power. You know the standard trope of crime and punishment. And i think that they were trying to show you what it breaks. You got cassie. Who was in school and they make it pretty clear cats. He's reputation wasn't the best and so she had more problems than just what happened to her. Best friend about her experience in medical school so kathy herself was a promising young woman. And i think that there's a double entendre in the title of the movie that a lot of people miss because they focus on the thing that derailed her and completely threw her fully off the skids is what ultimately happened to her best friend but this entire movie isn't just about pointing out all the nice guy tropes. I think they used those tropes to show you what happens when you make a choice after trauma and i noticed his people off because i use that word choice like you had the choice to be violated. That's a hell on saying. Don't even do that. What i'm talking about is i just watch a documentary about this kid. Who was investigating. His mother's murder and his sister is one of the people who found his mother dead and she said something in this movie. She's like i've gone to massive amounts of therapy. Since then and one of the things that i've come to understand why it is. I've been able to continue to navigate through what happened to me is because at some point i had to make a choice. Was i going to stay in that pain. Was i gonna wallow in there. Was i going to live there and let that be the thing that held me or was i going to work through my shit dig my way out and figure out a way to move forward and be real and i think that is the thing that is damaged more than anything else for cassie in this movie. She didn't just get thrown off track. She didn't just not find a way to reconcile what turned out to be not a pleasant experience for her in med school And then to deal with the horrible cake topper. That was what happened to her friend. Everything from that moment was bent and broken and she got stuck. She never now a lot of it. I think it was subtly. Well played by her the two people who they had play in her parents and i know some of it was supposed to be dark humor but i also think a lot of it is real like her parents. Letter say stop. Nobody's ever said anything about the fact. That cassie clearly has not been therapy. Now so come on. Let's be real. Most damaging coping mechanisms. Especially and i know women don't like it because they're like oh it's so low brown trophy women do a whole hell lot of self harm. When they don't know how to handle survivor's guilt they start thinking that the things that happen or the way people thought of them is the only thing that exists and if get stuck in a mindset to where you punish yourself especially if you feel guilty especially if you feel like you have some kind of ownership and you're looking around at the people who've actually perpetrated the crime and the harm and their lives are wonderful. They moved on. They've moved beyond you. That'll best you up. And i think that's what this movie is about and i think that's why i love it and it's why i was satisfied with the ending. The ending is super retro. Hokey and And and it's why some of the movies flaws didn't necessarily bother me so much. Because i felt like maybe they were playing into a message that people were missing. 'cause they got hung up on the first lady which this is clearly a revenge story. I think we get part of the the apple thing because it's also it's weird to say this about this comedy. Actually it's very very hilarious. We think we started coming in really hot but this was also very hilarious and so these films are usually typically not supposed to be that kind of funny when they're dealing with the kind of serious topic but this film was fucking larry's and so i think i think some may have a hard time wrapping their heads around that i mean i didn't. I thought it was great. Also talked about her parents. Mogul i like. I like seeing clancy brown. When he's not being terrible you know he's not being a terrible character for the most part as her dad stanley. He was actually pretty good. He was a loving dad trying to be trying to be supportive of his daughter. The larry associates like your gear. The game mom would just stuck in the person that she was in just kind of waiting for her to get back. And i think part of that kind of goes to showing you. What type of person. Cassie was probably throw her life. She's probably really strong gone through medical school in how you know. She was top of the class. And all this other stuff. And i think the reason she might not have gotten therapy or the push might not have been there to get it therapy because i think sometimes people -ssume that given your intelligence or your work ethic throughout life or what. They've experienced from you that they assume you can take care of yourself. Oh no sometimes. It's even more simply especially in these types of situations. It didn't happen to you. What your problem. i think. That's part of it. But i also think like the whole you can take care of yourself. 'cause that's why a lot of people don't people don't push them to do things they just assumed that you know you know what's best for you at your smarter than me you know what's best for you and it ultimately doesn't help because what was what she ended up doing was very self destructive and that's why i want to die. I mean like even in the trailer just the trailer they show us but okay talking about the way that she okay. You remember the conversation that they had at the beginning where those dudes like. It's in the trailer. So i don't feel like it's a spoiler. I'm not talking about anything. I'm talking about the choices that she made the way that they're marketing. This movie that she goes out and she targets people who take will be willing to take advantage of somebody who's clearly not okay and alcohol. The most common thing the reason why girls are held fully responsible is they will look what you just trying to die or something. That's what i'm talking about. I think that is one of the biggest tropes and stereotypes that people and things that women here. We are being made responsible for the choices of men that a lot of people miss that. That is the first thing that this movie plays with. And that is the main thing that it is subverting the entire time. But it's peeling back the layers of all these different nice guy narratives like this. That's how the movie is being marketed. And i really feel like a lot of people are missing that like you kept talking about you know. Show you these horrible things that it'd be done to people when they're being rape and then they talk about how it's about power not sex and all of those messages have been really really really clear and they permeating people get them but what they still don't get is the other thing that you were talking about the has to do with a lot of rape culture which is why the stuff that was in. This movie is stuff because he's deep ironing dark and some of it's just flat out funny for me with the marketing. The reason that i wanted to see this film so much is because i immediately recognized that it was a it was possibly a rape revenge. Film head had had to have something to do with a rape that occurred or some type of violation. And i saw the way she was playing this character that ultimately was fucking these dudes and what i wanted to see was how far the film was going to take it with her. Fucking with these dues. She gets to the point of fucking them up. The whole chee is self-destruct self destructive to a very scary point. Is i didn't really get into that. Until i was watching the film her encounters with men and i think that's something that the film i think the reason the film liens and i hate to say leans because i think it's very smart that they did this but i think the reason that it lanes on the dark comedy so hard is because if you don't lean on dot comedy so hard this is just full this fucking suspense to the point where you are screaming at the film please go. Please okay okay. It's cool you got. you checked. don't antagonize them. Don't do this because at any moment like it could turn very bad for her. And i think the third act needs to happen because it brings the film back to reality the dark. Comedy and humor is great in. It's great builder issue to under it. Gets you better understand this character in it. I think it pushes the message of dues trash and the people who support these dudes trash etc and this breaks families down his breaks people. down is not. This is not an isolated incident To just the victim violator. It spreads beyond that. I think the third act needs to happen that way to bring you back into reality like go this. None of this is cool. You've been laughing and and you've been enjoying and you've been having fun but in the end none of this fucking cool right but see. The irony is as a woman watching this. I knew that that's the first message that he gave. But i think. And i think the third don't act had to have but not for y'all honestly it had to happen free out and i think it's one of the reasons why may ring hollow for some women and feel like shallow victory and feel like the movie reinforces certain aims and bruce brutalization. Rather than because. I think they're missing. What what what. I'm saying happens in the i. It's like the first message you should be getting is that you gotta stop because this go wrong because you don't know what these dudes will do and honestly that's i really feel like. They played with different levels of the things in the warnings. That women are given about how we're supposed to carry ourselves and how we have to comport ourselves. And what's the expectation of our own responsibility of safety. And how everybody the one of the quickest thing someone can tell you is like. Don't get drunk this. you can't watch mouth. 'cause you never know you the very firm phrase you write a check yo ass will have the cash and i really i really doug van and i think that that is also a very counterintuitive way in which a lot of women the way that they like to push back at being told. You know the patriarch in this that and the third is they fall into these these micro stereotypes that they think are really dim. Busting free of the constraints of misogyny when what they're actually doing is just. They've made a bad turn in the maze and they never even got out. And i thought that was really kind of some of the dynamics in the first act it going into the second that i really dug so just to make sure i understand and then i'm off this chris eubank and i just want to ask so just just for my own Just clarify thanks for the is. Are you saying that you think Women who might have been turned off their activists because i do think ultimately that was for in what they did Do you think that they would have rather had an ending. Like get out inning. The way the way that was the black people where we were just watching film we can do what was coming and then at the end we were like. Yeah i think. I think people felt like the the the victory you get at the end is a little hollow because of it because if this is supposed to be kind of like the the revenge fantasy world part of the fantasy is the There's a dot dot dot for the person who's initiated. Everything and i that this movie came to a final conclusion. I appreciate it the sense of closure that you get from this because it leaves you in a place that quite frankly situation should you believe you it but yeah i really think honestly the need to kind of dig through the penultimate versions of these categories of images that they've gone through with the different moments with the different men in the different situations and scenarios all culminating at the end the way that they did and why they built it that way. I think it works. I was telling a friend of mine that this movie really struck me is like The lovechild of heather's in two days in the valley. And i think when you put all those different elements together usually when they do these types of movies. It's like chris said earlier they kind of go for the girl. Power kind of like the super hero and this the third angle and they didn't really do that and yeah so i think people would have liked to have seen where there were some potential reds in the act that indicated. This movie could have gone somewhere else. I think people would have been happier if it had gone that direction. Although i think i would have burned down hollywood if they had gone that direction i wanna ask you a question. But i can't because at that play spoiler so at some point krissy need to help us. We bat spoil no. I'm not going to spoil anything. You gotta you gotta. i'm watch. I'm literally going like these. Keep them to have you guys like getting right to the edge of doing that getting right to the edge of falling shit. I'm going to single mother fuckers. Now they know you're recording kidding. Question or text timmy. Or something. close guys trying to try to find a way of this is going on around little bit so well. I really feel like i know everybody went into this movie. And we all thought it was revenge story and it is but i walked away from this movie like this is survivor guilt story. And what is that changed the nature. What my culture disbelief or belief was in what how i invested in the store. And so you're right. It's more of a survivor's story. And honestly i mean grand. There are some ridiculous moments in this but is also more realistic than say killing. You're killing rapists and feeding to your sister in ice cream right. I'm just i can't tell you sick of the story while the serving of the ice cream just not me of the movie not good movies. Not good that happening in violates. You're just like what what wrap around a man that is just but i really honestly felt like if you take all those elements and try to do something like that with a movie. That has this kind of substance like promising young woman rather than playing on the different areas of this type of you know the mental state of the people and the factors. And then you throw in the middle. What the whole self isolation does i think it would you try to do. I think he ended up with us in the same deeply confused. Why did they do this position if they were in violent. I'll also say this right and it will be the one thing we can give our scores. Tell you this. I know there might be some women out there who like this movie. Maybe felt more towards you know the opener trash and kind of being weaver them. I'll see the so There are a lot of women who say that who you might be a little more What was her name. Madison belief. I'm gonna tell you right now. I know you do everything that was done. How just just saying some guys who are all men are trash. Also find yourself being medicine. Whose real uncomfortable. I think some with could we talk about the do. And dudes are also mean dean walker in madison. Can we talk about the can't really can't really because spoiler so they're talking about how great their performances are but we can't really go into details about that you want to talk performances let's talk performances because because we haven't talked about them at all in their part of the dark humor here we haven't introduced any of the guys i think they purposely cast the guys for this movie especially birmingham lebow burner. I thought that was ray casting his character in this and where the story goes because of him brian. Yeah i thought. I thought i thought what ryan kind of is a symbol for as you're watching this movie and it turns to like a to a romance like fucking five hundred days of summertime romance. See you see what's coming if you're you see what's coming and you're like this is gonna be so good and so bad but like even with christopher mintz flies in this like he was perfectly craft. That was perfectly played. even alman row is perfectly cast like the the facial expressions and that guys reaction year and just over the top like being a total bitch about alfred molina Yeah i mean everybody in this film was cast really well too as supporting and plays or to play place role so well i mean i think the main reason why we were talking about them because like to go into details actually be swollen a lot of the key to this film. But i think it's important because there's a lot of a lot of people in this film that people might you're gonna watch film and if you feel some kind of way i also feel like you might see yourself in some of these people and that might be like dead right you might need. You might need. You might be feeling some kind of way about this film because you might find yourself you know being represented in a way that maybe you didn't. It's not. it's not bad until you see from a third party right in third person so that was my main reason about. I wanted to bring that up and bring a madison there. 'cause i'm like i know too many people because remember certain incident happened on twitter. Where a lot of people in a bowl never happening in a lot of people were talking about a certain person who had a lot of allegation against them. That didn't. I'm gonna leave it there. But i just seem to remember that we've kind of even an open letter you know about. How will i know this person. And how deep my understanding or like okay. I felt like there are moments in here where there's going to be a slight resonance that has nothing to do with gender and everything to do with race. It's the self absolution for door shadow tamales to for this to be dark humor. She does not commit to that portion of defendant all. She plays another very important pivotal role in the film. Well especially for it to be so small. Yeah yeah right yeah. It's very poignant late she she she kinda hits home as another like she somebody in the audience. That is not enjoying very much watching this. And i think it was it was i think it was very good to have that gays explained or portrayed in the film that imagery is also necessary. I do appreciate as much as i loathe. Sam richardson's role especially in the opening scene and then when he wraps back around again to have his own solo encounter with Cassie like we. There's there's always a facilitator in every conversation. I'm just gonna say that. And i felt like that. They played that they played it with a really good flair and they played it with really nice nuance and they didn't overdo it. And i think what's really bothering people is they. Were only giving you a taste of each of these different personalities. But what. I really feel like they did very well. Was they put words that you might say and the mouth of someone that you would never want to consider yourself to be like. The connie britney is connie britton's character and l. even around cox's character her boss the burn the only one. I have a question mark about in this. Because i don't i feel like either. I just didn't get what they were fully fully had invested her in the story for or they didn't use her enough and i can't tell you what it is but why it's i mean. She's her boss. She's like part of what's been enabling her to wallow in this place in her life but she's also someone who is one of the few people who know her who doesn't handle her with kid gloves and his vocal about the fact that she needs to move on and move up and is trying to do things to encourage her. The first thing you find out about that character. I think that there was no. There's no more purposeful use for the character of gail. Then that she doesn't have any greater part in the story other than she's a friend but she's mostly her boss and she seizes person who's wasting their potential. I think she's but. I don't think you're supposed to get anything more than that. Maybe i just didn't. I didn't i feel like i feel like if that was the case there could have been more to her presentation of that and i don't think it's her fault. She is another person in the film. I think it's unfair. That people put the expectation at because that character was cast with laverne cox and it has to do something grandiose or or bigger or more bombastic or have more of a depth or core. That is just a character that sets the stage and i thought laverne handled it. Well and i think that when you cast laverne cox and you know you follow the verne cox. It's not wrong to have an expectation that that's not fair. that's not fair. She should have different kinds of roles. That's fine. I just like i looked at molly shannon. I was like even though she's not doing comedy she's doing like she is the prize me here with this. I didn't get the same thing for lebron's character. And i'm not saying this lebron's fault i'm saying films for the way they wrote that character in in this kind of like staff strata copper. Whatever the shop is. What would i mean. Did you kick your boss. Yeah kiki boss. You talk to your own personal. I don't a okay. I don't live off. I think we have. This i just. I felt that. I felt that she did the job that she was there to do. I felt she did it well. I didn't feel like i needed anything else from her. They didn't. I mean the only thing else that they could have done is establish a dynamic between the two of them to maybe follow up on the first like side conversation that could've turned into a side quest type deal with them and i felt like that would have been a disservice to the main character. The point of the story and it would have been hyper exploitive laverne cox the actress. So i i don't know what she wanted from. I liked it. But i died fully. Expect to hear that complaint from other black people elbow on the counter is kinda like shoveling. You know you should get over it. I'm just not that. I wanted more from that character. That's what we're going to have their and it wasn't necessarily just because it was vern but yet there is an expectation. If i see lebron cox i'm like oh this is going to be this. These are going to be interesting ultimately. I wasn't that interested. Okay i mean. I just feel like that's kind of more. I wish that you're right. I wish this could be a show. I feel like some of the places where they jumped time. I just want to know what happened in those times i do. I would be more interested to see if they kind of followed each of these characters elsewhere down the rabbit hole and if they were gonna take that direct on the story than i might have had a higher expectation of what they would have done with the character like gale laid by laverne cox here or the character played by jennifer coolidge. Her mom susan because her mom. It's hilarious and she's low key lucky tighter her daughter in her house but the time jumps didn't necessarily give us room for that to be played out so yeah i also think the films take time. This is the second time not the second we talk a lot this year. But some of these films a major because twenty twenty years two longest decade ever Then to be more with their time jumps and and entertaining the how much time has passed between some of the some of their major scenes. Cutting that that doesn't doesn't play to hear what would film we've reviewed all the time it was. Oh it was the evil y evil. I did the same thing. It was way worse than eve. Why because fm has nothing else to it. Anyway so there. There's at but yeah i think films need to be more careful when you make these films about to kind of show the passions of time out of tim film. I think this is a solid eight and a half out of ten for me. I really liked promising young woman. I wanna give it nine. But i can't. It's like something holding me back but eight and a half seems right where it should be right. Given the whole yeah. I mean it's not perfect. It's not and a lot of the things that are imperfect about are all deeply spoiler ridden so we can't go there but one of the major ones that we just talked about was some of the use of tyne and some of the us the the failure to be able to utilize amazing characters actors created because of the use of time. But yeah i mean that's really the only thing that bothers me about this that we can talk about. Without spoiling so yeah. I'm sally on eight and a half net. Have a point is dead ass about the score. This is the best use of music man. I am curious if this film will get better to me over time or go down a bit and it's because of the time parts because sometimes it does build a little slow in its points or getting through its acts. I don't know if it's necessarily getting through. Its points but more. Getting through the act's i think what it was i think in my i just wanna hold for me. What's your score. chris. Like i actually put my name before you got an into the into the into the website. So i don't forget them and let me see what they're going to do. So i put eight and a half in have to like i said it's not perfect but again film is and but it's very enjoyable. I think to me it will hold up for me just because it's not really. It's not really a rape provincial. More along the lines of we said being that that survivor guilt type film. And so i to me it does hold up. I do Do you think the they did a really great job of this film. That only woman could do believe this will not mean not. maybe i'm wrong But like i it has that yeah it has the nuances in there to be able to do it and be funny at the same time i managed on this. Just say who emerald. I know i didn't. I didn't know. I didn't know who. Actually i didn't know who the director. Okay that listen breathe. Come the fuck down like i. I close the close imdb. I just need a double. Gimme cheese uncomfortable. Talking right fight. You apparently shit. You know how we'll hostile you know we done this in a while but fuck but yeah if they had a bit more killing eve in it just like oh my god. I could have given us a strong nine if it had some some killing even it. Okay yeah i'll just say this and it's the last thing i really wanted to understand the color. Coding and the notebook better ally. So i'll leave elite there. You're right coming alive. Thought this one one certain thing because there was a time Yeah so. I wouldn't sure how far she was going with some of the stuff so i yeah and i'm with you be i would've loved villamil o. Middle all right we will be back because there's a ton of sensitive we're reviewing rohan brennan will be reviewing those i might because i don't know how i feel about watching anything else and just going through the rest of the year. Pretend like i wash everything that row. We do have the expense. So maybe we start doing this world that who's a tune so we have some talk coming on. I'm doing an actor show. I did not tie and amos also. He told kazan party to get the fuck outta here. So good for them so as such character but explain so much about why he never gave interviews. I'm just gonna leave it at that but You know they always use an emails every year his his pr person. I can say it now because fucking you've been raping a little girls. every year. peer person was send us emails about interviewing him because he was always a host for the eyesore awards and so every come watching them watching the expansively like i love to interview him. I love the interview. Never get back. Live sending me a direct email with my name in it saying hey. Do you have time to interview him this. I'm like yeah sure. Never get back to us. And i realized it was like who because i'm a grown grown adult in also have a penis. That's why he didn't say yes because he was out here. Oh that's why some appropriate about this. And i know all i need to know. Yeah you don't you don't want fine anyway in the just stay in your happy place anyway. All right folks. we're listening in. We'll be back soon as Subscribe reviews time. We were out of here piece.

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The Point of It All

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The Point of It All

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It's really not think one of the things that i want to suggest to this letter writer is smoking weed more regularly albeit like in a controlled and careful fashion because they know for some people like anxieties can get ramped up a lot higher When they smoke so I don't want to just like say like grab whatever we can find and go for broke. Just read the letter but letter to be aware that i think you should maybe try smoking more weed while you figure this out. Subject is burnout blues. I feel like. I'm suffering from burnout. I did everything. I was quote supposed to and it well in law school. I passed the bar been a practicing lawyer for more than a year. Now a fine job that pays me enough and isn't too demanding with a good work life balance a live with my boyfriend. We make each other very happy. So wider i feel satisfied. I don't particularly like my job. But the job i had before this was even worse. Actually find myself missing. When i was in school and working as a waitress. I know people tend to look at the past with rose colored glasses but i think i was happier than my boyfriend and i had a lot more time together and i had a lot more free time on my own. Now it just seems like every day is the same a log in at home work for eight hours log out eat dinner exercising. Go to bed l. afford to the weekend. But it's always over too soon. I just don't see the point anymore. Am i supposed to keep doing this until i retire. It feels like a waste. Life feels meaningless. Repetitive and boring. I'm at the point. Where i don't wanna work at all and i really doubt any job will be satisfying when i tell my boyfriend how i feel. He asks me what i wanted to instead. And all i can say is i just wanna live. I know i have some anxiety when it comes to work. I have a constant fear that i will log in one day and just be fired and i have serious imposter syndrome going on but i can usually just think through that and realizing being ridiculous these feelings of dissatisfaction and longing for something else just won't go away. How do i live with the knowledge that nothing really matters. And that i'll probably just have to suffer through life. this way. This letter really does take a turn. I was expecting an answer. The the final question would be something like. How do i figure out whether this means i need to quit. How to figure out what else they want to do with my life. Those were the kinds of questions. I was intimidating. i was not ready for. How do i just like. Buckle down and get ready for another forty to sixty years of meaninglessness yeah. You're relates in a letter. 'cause i really related to it hugely hugely i i think especially the last time i had a corporate job before a quick to write fulltime like one of the ways that i knew it was just time it was a you know a good enough job. My colleagues were nice. I mean enough money to pay my bills. Which was not the case when i quit to start writing full time and i still like most days when i drove into work. I was like you know that center divider is just right there And not not in the sense of like. Oh i've got like a plan. Just like i found myself kind of semi regularly having a sense of like. I hate this like way. Disproportionately to how bad. I think it is if that makes sense. Yeah i mean. I how what can a lot of people would consider like a dream job. I'm and i certainly don't know what else i think i would enjoy doing more. But like are definitely times for and dislike. Oh like this like the rest of my life. Going to be the best for the next thirty years When i get to like the end of my life like what will all of like any of this house like summed up to I don't know. I guess they say that at like subject line for that so it's like burn out blues but yeah this is melbourne out to my mind. This is way beyond. Yeah i like the fact that like they feel like they like nothing. They do like really matters and they're sort of like doing the same things over and over and not garnering any sort of like choi. yeah Probably means that if you can afford it what you see it's like you probably can't like go to a therapist maybe I think that that's sort of like blindness at exit sensual link. Kness that this person is describing Really makes me hope that they will check out. Something antidepressant options. I think that. Like if i'm a little bit like too quick to be like play armchair psychologist the other thing that they might just sort of need a lot more stimuli in their life. I definitely remember. I'm graduating from college. And then coming back home and just like that summer between college and unfortunately grad school. I was like wait. I'm just like hanging out and like no one is giving me book street. And they don't have like new thoughts in my head all the time and like the point of my life is to just go like work for somebody else. Like as like a cog as opposed to having like my own like really cool. Experiences like really bummed me out and so if this person is missing their school experiences their school years and so like the waitress job which sounds like for me like a recipe for a headache. But that's like what they were really into. It just might mean that like they need to just the have a lot more stuff coming up them all the time in order to feel alive. Yeah i mean one of my thoughts here was like it's it's already really difficult to lake. Find ways to build an enjoyable and meaningful life. just full stop And then on top of that. Not only has. This person had a lot of trouble with a demoralizing job It's also been during a pandemic so like it's not even just like i go to work for eight hours. I log onto my computer and do my work in like this shitty little vacuum in my living room. And then i log out. I eat dinner. And i exercise and i go to bed of. I don't wanna like say like of course you'd have to be depressed if that happened to you literature e it makes a lot of sense that you feel miserable and depressed right now. You are in a miserable situation. I understand when you say like. I don't feel like i should be this upset. Because thank goodness like able to pay my bills and like i'm not facing eviction which is certainly true. But that doesn't mean that you don't have problems and like there's a reason that people who are able to arrange their time according to how they would like the usually do not arrange it in such an order. You know people with freedom to choose their own schedules. Don't choose logging in my living room worked directly for eight hours log out eat dinner exercise go to bed so a think part of what. I'm hoping letter is that if you hear us talk about depression that it does not feel dismissive of like. Oh your problems aren't real. You just have a brain chemistry issue. You should get on medication and that'll fix it. You'll still have very real problems. Like what do. I wanna do in terms of dealing with mighty distress and and loathing of my job. That's a real question that you're going to be faced with and that will still exist. But i want you to be able to face that with a little bit more external support and assistance. Because right now if there's a party that's like normally. When i feel bad i convince myself on being ridiculous and my job right now is to make sure that i stopped caring. And i just buckle down and like get through the next forty to fifty years of meaninglessness. I don't want that for you letter writer like that. Is i believe the voice of depression trying to lake. Berate yourself into shutting down and just doing nothing but functioning and A really really. Don't want that for you. And i do think there are other ways to think about these questions And so i think not like. Don't worry medication or therapy or talking to dr saying i have. I think i have. Depression will fix these problems. It just think it will make it a little bit easier to distinguish between options. You would actually prefer versus options that you think would make your life worse. And yeah the feeling like it's all going to be meaningless. There's probably no job that would ever worked for me. That is the stuff that like. You made me think. I think there might be something deeper going on here. And none of that's to say by the way that like a horrible job can't be itself incredibly depressing like can part of what you're talking about. Let writers just like the alienate labor And so like you know. You don't feel satisfied because that's not a satisfying way to live. Is logging in and logging. Off and having almost all the time you're supposed to have as like quote unquote free time being dedicated to necessary acts of self replication. You know like we do the dishes so that we can make our next meal. We make our next meal so that we can like focus and stay awake for another eight hours. We don't necessarily do those things simply out of joy or freedom of choice. We do those things because they are required. Daily acts same with showering with exercising. You can find joy in those things. I just mean like. That's all you've got going on in your free time right. Now that's not soul restoring stuff. Necessarily i also wonder how much of their nostalgia for school and for waitressing is mount up in the house like intensely social. Those environments are Like now embarrassed. That i missed like the whole like quarantine us of the flutter Yeah i mean maybe maybe who knows. Maybe like if you go back to like an office and you're defied constantly in contact with other people all the time your job i feel really different It's just felt like we can't really know it's not like the information that we have. But i do think that just you know that. Like hamster cage feeling of like never getting to do anything other than like or three like activities is probably like like one hundred percent maybe of like why you feel so terrible and yeah i don't know like i think there would be as important like in this case i do also think like just figuring out like a different activity to try If you can sort of like muster like the energy or like carve out the time to do it. I think is really important Again like dot dependent on a lot of things Yeah think you might feel better. And i think can be. We'd yeah and you know. I'll also wanna throw out there in addition to. I do think you should talk to your doctor. I do you think you should consider talking to a therapist. And i do think you should at least take seriously the possibility of trying medication. Also say that someone who like. I have both been off and on. Sra's over the course of my life. I realize that it is not simply a question of just like grab the first one that they recommend to you in just things will be great. I realize it takes time for them to start to take effect. Elsa realized that some of the side effects are really difficult to live with. And you might need to try more than one and that it is not simply a question of like. Oh that one didn't work out for me. I'll just stop taking it and feel fine like i am very aware of how from all those Prospects are but i really do just wanna flag. Life feels meaningless. Repetitive and boring. I think that's true. And i just intellect find a way to like go through. It is again like not to say like and if you get on medication you'll be able to know does has meaning i see it now but like you'll be able to wrestle with the question of like what does meaningfulness look like. How could i find it. How might i try to seek it out. What do i think it is You'll be better equipped to try to answer those questions in your life. Not that that will answer them for you. And then beyond that. I guess i wanna give up like a positive like back on what you're saying. Please there is sort of like both like the emotional aspect of this and then like the existential aspect of right. Because you like oh. It's a little bit hard to tell like. Wear sort of like the emotional. Like nece or biochemical play ness light stops and were sort of the the south stockton begins and so i think that like for example if you were to seek treatment and maybe like better take care of like the emotional side. It gives you space to like tackle that file that were. Yeah absolutely and so he. Yeah there's also a question of like part of what you liked about those old jobs where that you had more time to spend with your boyfriend and more time to spend on your own at makes sense to me having lots of time where you get to decide what you were going to do is a good thing. That's part of. What makes your life feel like your life I really get that. that's an. That's a reasonable thing to miss. It makes sense to me. That part of what i think you also miss about being a waitress. Was that sense of somebody. Orders food from me. I go tell the cooks to make the food. And then i bring the food out. I know where my work starts and stops i know would affect my work has in the world. It's done when i finish the check with this particular table like i can see and smell and touch the fruits of my work. You know i can see it happening. And now i log into a weird computer and for eight hours i like go clack clack clack and i imagine that things happen or a pretend things happen but nothing about it is tangible nothing about it has like sort of like residence or wait that can hang onto. Yeah i don't see or talk to people you know that makes a lot of sense And so if part of what. You also decide at some point as i wanna think about possibly quitting my lake pretty good law job and waiting tables again and figuring out what else i want to do with my life. You should give yourself permission to think about that. It may very well be that the people in your life will say things like. That's a bad idea. You'll be giving up to -bility You know they might have their own reactions and you can decide whether or not you share those reactions But i you know. I don't i don't want to just say like no obviously like if you went to law school you just have to be a lawyer forever like you have to have a similar lake office job. You might just feel like i can't do office jobs. They make me want to die. And i would much rather have the sort of like other problems that come with like maybe waiting tables which him sometimes include like carpal tunnel syndrome. Or like you back pain or wearing a lot. Orthopedic shoes I waited tables for a few years in in in after. And i got orthopedic shoes and that was great. You know elsa smoked a lot of cigarettes. Those two things really helped my back feel better after work. I don't want to encourage the letter liking cigarettes. I guess i just wanna talk about like. Sometimes it can help you think about what you wanna do. If you're in a sort of flake morose place not in terms of what. We'll fix my problems but like what set of problems would be most excited to deal with and so that might be helpful. The last thing. I want to throw out. There's like sometimes when you feel this generally bad about everything that also means there's like a bigger global thing. You seem to really like your boyfriend. So i don't want to assume that but like sometimes if everything feels meaningless maybe wanna transition just a little bit probably not the case four to five percent chance just wanted to throw it out there. Everything seems hopeless and the future stretches before you like a grave. Think about doing it After transitioning and maybe that sounds fun and sexy or pivot to play the piano four hours a day. Both great ideas star transitioning and then become a concert pianist. This episode of big mood little mood is sponsored by credit karma. Credit karma has always been there to help people make better financial decisions and now they want to do more with credit karma money. Spend account you could be rewarded for good money habits credit karma. Money is a brand new checking account where you can win. Cash reimbursements making purchases. When you use your credit karma. Melanie debit card. You can win. 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See rules banking services provided by mvp bank inc member fdic maximum balance. Transfer limits apply I just really feel for this letter writer and just i know i had mentioned earlier that i was hoping to discuss burnout more. Generally with you. Because i just feel like i'm sure there are ways in which it can be an has been a really useful word but i also sort of feel like it hasn't served this letter writer well because like to reduce this huge set of problems as burnout like oh you just. You worked a little too hard last week and if you could just be sure to clock out at five every day this week and like get eight hours of sleep. You'll be ready to go. You'll find this work newly restorative in meaningful just does it seem slightly impoverished. You it strikes me as slightly impoverished language. I mean. I think there is a sort of a psych lack of firmness like a lack of like solidity around with burnt out is even supposed to mean. I think that like there's sort of a recent trend of trying to describe burn out as like Generational concept of dislike having so many things away on the that like. How are you supposed to possibly exist in the world I think the way that like. I conceive of my own occasional burnout. It's sort of something similar to like a repetitive motion. Injury denotes the mean like like. If you practice subpoena. Four hours a day you'll get carpal tunnel. I feel like there's like a way. Where if you use your brain like the same way over and over like you're not doing any real thinking and so i don't know like i think you just sort of like numbness or like dislike fog of utility That leg sometimes comes with just like doing the same thing over and over and over again And so like burn out. Like i don't know i feel like this has a suspicion i don't. I cannot confirm this. I feel like i started to see the word. Burn out more frequently somewhere around the mid 'oughts and i feel like i started to see it. I from like corporations or hr departments or like job coaches were the sort of unstated goal was to get people to be more efficient workers again So it felt a little bit like this concept was sort of like. Oh it's when like weirdly doing your shitty job that you only do because you have to because of money doesn't make you feel rested energized and fulfilled and here are all these little tweaks that you can make or that your manager can make Right culture can make yeah to to reduce burn out to see it coming and to make life a little softer on yourself And so i always find it a little like certainly i. I'm always four trying to make life easier on yourself but it also feels a little bit like if the nature of your job is like by itself. Alienating divorced from like the product of what your work creates if you're not able to dictate with like anything that you do within your work schedule if you're just completely like moving around somebody else's whims And not spending your time in any way that feels like useful or meaningful to you like burnouts. Not the word. It's like you're you're you're you're in a bad situation you're being you know from feeling dramatical so you're being tortured. If i'm feeling you know non dramatical say something like you're in a stress position being like i now in this stress position you might find that your legs cramp up. And here's some techniques to reduce it. It's like full the this this is causing it. It's not it's not a question of scale it's a question of of this. Is the nature of this work. Wake people with like draining corporate jobs where you just sit in front of a computer and do a lot of things that feel fake. It's like burn out or is it just like a horrible horrible way to live. And when you put a commute on top of it and then like have to try to sleep or have a family you have no time. That is actually yours. Like i don't know how much scented candles or or mindfulness apps are going to help with that. Yeah and yet there are so many people sort of have to work those heights of jobs. And so i don't know i guess i think out this stuff a lot because i'm sort of like the daughter of lake working class immigrant parents and i feel like they have like really never been the type of position to like derive a huge amount of personal satisfaction from their jobs. Because like job is like what you do in order to like. Go make money so that like you. Unlike your children can survive and so i feel like my parents have dealt with this particular dilemma in like very different ways. Where like my mom is a much more life just grin and bear it type of person and my dad is someone who floated from job to job. Every i don't know like here a couple of years because he would just got like incredibly bored and then he would quit and then my parents fight and then like you would just in the same cycle like over and over again and i think as i got older as sort of like us to judge my dad a little bit for not being able to stick it out for the sake of his kids are brother but now i'm sort of like This is also probably exactly what i would do Because it's really hard to like take bullshits Especially if you feel like your above it or you just feel lake. There has to be a better situation And i think for the letter writer there. It's absolutely possible that that's what it is and also it's entirely possible at like candidate blues and Once like the world starts up again they would like have like a very different experience their job because this person sounds like david at it for less than two years and so i don't know like how much of like what they've during the past year like how much of that is really like a reflection of like what their job or their career is. Rothem fill searching necessary. I think yeah. And i'm glad you brought that up to because while i am i think rightly suspicious of like when recommendations about how to address. Burn out come from ones like hr department. That's to say that. Like all you can do is like hold tight and wait for a full communist revolution because in the meanwhile you do still also have to live And so that question of does it make your life easier if you think of your job as something that you have to make bearable for yourself so that you can like fill the rest of your life with things you care about. That would make a lot of sense to me And again in that case you might want to decide how important is making a lot of money to me like if i'm able to pay my bills as a server if i'm able to like meet. He tried to get into like waiting tables fine. Dining sometimes that can be more of a longterm career prospect than waiting tables like the restaurant on the corner. Maybe that's the trade off that i'm willing to make in order to fill my time outside of work with things that i love more or maybe just like i know this like a very square thing for me to say but like maybe making a lot of money is like really important to you for like a lot of reasons and that's what it is and like you can afford to sort of like distract shelf with a lot of like really cool really expensive things. In order. To like make that hyping job more bearable. I dunno like i want to judge those people No oh my gosh. Not at all i mean. I don't think we're talking about like billionaire level stuff would be making the kind of money that like can only be rested from like the backs of others but yeah if somebody is like in a position where they're like the ability to travel is really important to me the kind of freedom and independence that like this amount of money gives me an in a position to try to make it makes my life feel really good. Yeah absolutely that that might be a choice that a different letter writer might wanna make a really think. It's just too. Yeah as you were saying like to start from the assumption that my job is not likely to be the single factor that produces the most meaning in value in my life. What decisions do i wanna make about my job given my own personal individual limitations based on like where i live my job experience etcetera. What do i want to do about that. You know for me at the time it was. I wanna quit this day job and try to make a go of writing fulltime. Anyway they can. I would rather deal with the problems of you. Know i knew my own situation. I was like i i would rather gamble on not having health insurance for a while and see if i can make it because i think the level of unhappiness idea with In even pretty good corporate job is high enough. That i'm just going to get fired. I'll be so miserable. That was worth it for me. If that hadn't paid off. I don't know what else i would have done. But i would have had to figure something else out and boy. Oh boy just didn't have health insurance for a really long time. I definitely thought it was going to be like a year. I was like. I'm just to like roll the dice and hope for the best and then it was like a decade sounds like a writing career. I wonder in the same way that you were talking about. Liked being a little bit to focus on that center. Divider like this person. Oh 'cause like the imposter syndrome of like wondering if they're going to log in one day and then feed at their fire like. Is that imposter syndrome. Or is at lake wishing and hoping Maybe think about that We can't do the souls or should for you unfortunately. Yeah but you think that's right to take that as an indicator of like. Is there another phrase for that besides imposter syndrome. Is there another phrase for this besides burnout. That speaks to. What's going on with me and you know the last. Go back letter writer lake when my boyfriend asked me like what do you want to do and i just wanna live like a really as they say sometimes youth group resonated with that. You know like i just for all that. I don't think that's going to be able to be your sort of founding principal in terms of what you do next a really get that i really get that like i wanna fuck and see my friends and hang out and maybe occasionally read a book and just really seems like we have enough like inventions. It's been long enough. Since the industrial revolution started that we should all be able to do that. Why can't we all do that all the time. I really really to it. I wish i could remember. I mean i have one that i can recommend to you. My one of my favorite things about it. Is that understand almost nothing. That's going on which is really great way to read when your brain already feels like a pair of fuzzy dice. It's nat ferber's. I found out a confidential chronicle of the nineteen twenties and his long dead newspaper reporter who worked a lot in the early ought and twenty s. And like i'm on this chapter right now. Worships like woman get foster on the mcgee scandal. And i'm just like foster was involved in the mcgee's idea. Wow i didn't see that coming. I've no idea who foster is the only mcgee i know. From that general time period is like flavor mcgee which affleck was a radio show where people were always dropping things out of a closet. I'm not describing this well but somebody listening to the show is going to know what i'm talking about. I've no idea who any of these lake. Local politicians are. What the scandals are but every time he gets a telegram just like hell. Yeah ferber you get him. I'll have to check without. Please do one day when i myself and no longer burnt out. That's what mayor of east town is for. In the meantime. I've been having so much fun. How many times people say her name on that show like just everything is like. Hey mayor mayor david second mayor. How do you want your coffee maher. There was a point very briefly. Where jean smart. Who plays kate. Winslet's mom gets very angry and says mary ann and like literally took me like two entire seconds to realize who she was talking to. Especially because like i. I've met a couple of marietta my life and i never knew any who went by mare and yet. This is a gross generalization about white people make one white people really love monty. Slavic names i do. Yeah how do you go by dan. Never that's my one thing. That was my one thing when i picked this name was like daniels. Good danny as good anybody. Who calls me dan. Just like fundamentally does not get me. And i will never talk to them ever. I'm not a damn. It's not that there's anything. It's like smoking pot every day. Not necessarily anything wrong with being a man. I am not a dan. i just felt so true to me like oh like. This is my name foreshore but dan's not a part of it. I really agree with you. You are not dan thank you. I really appreciate. That is really wanted to like a your choices. Thank you. I i want to affirm your choices to i. Our firm everyone's choices even can affirm the people who chose the wigs for mayor of east town. They're very unusual choices. jean smart swig is driving. Me absolutely bonkers. But that can't be what there several scenes where it looks like. She just walked out of a spirit of halloween store having juice number. She's wearing a gray freight wig in most seasons. Meet most episodes. It's only sees blonde right. I feel like there's been a couple of scenes where it's like very late. Blonde verging on gray. At least one scene where. It was just full grey. There might have been where it was read. Maybe i'm hallucinating. But i feel like she has had many different wigs on the show. Have you watched hack yet. I have no tax yet. How would swig situation. Like the whigs has so good. She has like a that scene. Where like a woman says in front of a mirror and she's like looking at her face a hate scenes. Because i'm just like like one other way that like a woman could possibly be introspective without like looking at her appearance. Like you don't generally shoot men looking in the mirror. Lake studying them notes literally a reflection. I don't know what ever shorthand you can get for reflecting than a reflection. Come on their house. But they're me to write the alphabet and then saying like eight x off limits but there is a scene where she is doing exactly that and then she does like a surprise like wig reveal. It's beautiful and like i don't know like the first five minutes of the show so you don't even have to like get deep into it in order till i got this like really fun. Whitworth yell and then like the hair. She has under like also really good. So i take it. This is not a show about like computer hackers. Which was what my first assumption was when you said the show hacks out It is actually about the comedy generation gap between two female comedians. Oh so no computer hacking. Not in the first six episodes that i've seen but it does. I think jean smart a place like a joan rivers easy lake old timing comedian and then she got sort of like haired with a millennial like tweet disaster person who is like your. Don't serve so old and then smart says while you're jokes now funny do. But then they're going to go like be really cool together out the show man. It sounds good. The only thing is. I'm now a little disappointed that there's not a show. Where james lake plays a hacker who has like a hacking wig. Just like hang on a second. Let me get my computer wig. Like how would you say. It's like made like a watermelon watermelon. Okay like a gallagher wig. A man do you. Do you think a person who for example hated the marvelous. Mrs maisel would may be still enjoy it. I hated the marvelous. Mrs maisel and i enjoyed hacks okay. That is helpful and was a terrible show. I we ongoing and so we should say it is a terrible show how our happily say is show however i will say that now anytime i see a top hat anywhere in the wild i have to all my husband and then we play a game where i take a picture of them and then he has guest whether he is the bomb. Duck or instrumentality. Now you've given me a lot about lots of think about today. I will say this. Ever since i did. See the bobby duke. Whenever i go to someone's house who has like a coat rack where they hang up the coats usually for the first minute or so. I'm scared especially in like period movies where there's like you know. Men walk into a building in the up their hat and coat right away. And then there's a quick shot of hanging behind them. I was like okay. It's is not gonna turn into the barbeque. I mean they probably should turn into the baba deck. That's the only way like the show. Good this is why you make such a great tv critic best ideas and you agree with all of mine You i'm so grateful to you for for coming on the show today. Do you have any last Words of wisdom for anyone who hates their job I know. I don't know. I guess like maybe there's this whole thing right now. I think they're like burgeoning discussion about whether Like the pandemic is going to lead to like a mass quitting fush hiring thing because people have been too afraid to leave their jobs because of All of the economic instability and like people read evaluating evaluating their priorities in life. And all that stuff. And i really feel like. That's going to be a really big deal. Sorry that's a very dumping say. But i also really believe in it and i hope that people sort of and all of this like a much happier or at least much more self-aware face and they started out sweat ya i mean there's definitely things that have felt like exciting restorative impossible to me here on the lake tail end of quarantine like had you had you gone back to twenty nine thousand nine hundred like here's something you're going to be doing and twenty twenty one. I would have not believed you. And i would like what sort of outrageous overall change would have had to take place within my psyche for me to be the kind of person who would enjoy this. Or who do this It's kind of shocking. But i mean we're here like at the end of the pandemic and we're also starting new jobs. I ready to say like at a tail end of quarantine. I'm sonal ready to say of the pandemic now. Not least because. I think it's tempting fate but certainly it's not like where i in march of twenty twenty which is to say like only in my living room washing my groceries. Yes i think Yes i do live in the bay area upland so everything does feel sort of like things coming to an end. But i know it's vastly different in all sorts of other places. So i should be more careful about the words that come out if i know you're doing great thanks for having me Thank you so much for being here for just reading the in my clothing choices i was gonna say i really appreciate them in detroit vibe. That like you've onto this. You know what i you're. Welcome love strives to bring a bit of the turtles energy to everyday life and it just means a lot to me that the good i hope you continue to spread that joy. Thanks for joining us on big mood. Little mood with me. Danny lavery producers phil circus who also composed our theme music. 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Promising Young Woman (Featuring Caitlin Kennedy)

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Promising Young Woman (Featuring Caitlin Kennedy)

"All right welcome to another episode of piecing it together the podcast where we take a look at a new movie and try to figure out what movies inspired it and today on the show. We are talking about a movie. That was one of my in one of many many other people's most anticipated movies of two thousand and twenty that of course got delayed by the pandemic finally came out and limited release finally then came out in theaters and of course who is going to the theaters right now and now is finally out on. Vod it is called promising. Young woman from writer director emerald fennel starring carey mulligan and it is a movie that really requires a very specific tone in covering because of the subject matter. That's at play here. But i think we did a good job. Doing this movie justice. Joining me for this. One is kate. Kate does content. She's been on the show before. And i was really happy to have her back for this one and this is a movie that i think. Now that is out in wide release is going to be something that is going to dominate the conversation. Moving forward at this point so we shall see what the hot takes look like. But let's add this one to the growing conversation around this movie so before we get into that conversation though. I would like to remind you all to. Please make sure you're subscribed piecing it together wherever it is you. Listen to podcasts. You can review us an apple podcasts. Or pod chaser. Follow me on. Social media piecing pied and join our facebook group popcorn and puzzle pieces where we continue the conversation about all the movies. We talk about here on the show. We also have produced by. David rosen patriotic where i post Bonus and exclusive advanced episodes of the show as well as from awesome move year. And all the other podcasts. That i am involved with and from my music career so lots of great content over there on the patriots so check that out so without any further ado. I've been waiting to talk about this movie for a long time. Let's talk about promising young woman who are so back with us today at four. What was i think one of almost everybody's most anticipated movies of two thousand twenty promising young woman. We've got kate with us kate. How's it going. How man it's it's going rate but also this movie so ask me again when the podcast is a yeah i i was looking at my notes like before we got started. I'm just thinking like like. Where is this going to go because this movie and the discussion around this movie could go in a lot of different directions and i should add before we start really like getting into it that this is not really come out in a wide release that everybody can see it yet. I mean it's in theaters. But not everybody's going to theaters. This is gonna drop when it hits streaming and they were really going to see the discourse exploded from this movie but percents. Yeah so like. I say and i mean this was i mean. It was one of my most anticipated movies of two thousand twenty before the pandemic and everything was this something. You had been kinda waiting all year four. Did you get to see it anywhere. Earlier i was. I was denied. And so yeah in the same way as you aware was so gung ho for this film because of course coming out of sunday at twenty twenty last really big kind of moment film before the pandemic air. I mean everybody was talking about. The spill had been hopeful to ride in on that first wave of press coverage pandemic hits almost immediately after an. It's like kay i'm waiting. I'm waiting waiting. Fortunately for award season. I've been able to add promising. Young woman's might list of fic screeners and Was thrilled to get to sit with it. And the this movie offers so much. Yeah it's definitely. I don't know this is a movie that i think there's so many different ways to take everything that's going on and i've watched it twice now and say i actually the second time certain things really kind of bugged me about but we'll get into those as we get into the conversation but it's just been like kind of a different experience each time that i've watched this movie and i mean that's that's great when a movie can be that way so i mean that is exciting whether you know whether things are bugging me or not. But i think they're like i said there'll be plenty to talk about. Why don't we just start jumping into some puzzle. Pieces what we got for our first one. What do you have i spit on your grades. All right the oj. Been any of the tickles could apply. I think something to start this episode out on is a content warning a promising young woman as a film itself and probably the discussion that will follow other are themes of sexual assault and rama. So if that's something that is going to be difficult for you. Please know that as you're going into the film please morad. You're continuing in this discussion with us yet. So i spit on your grave to me. The connection is quite obvious. How quickly do you want to jump into spoiler land. Yeah it's going to have to happen so go for it if you wanna start now with some spoilers or k. You know what. We're looking at with promising. Young woman is a direct response to rape culture through the lens of a revenge. Fantasy type film. What with our main character. Cassie is a promising. Med student Best friend suffers something that is so common on college campuses everywhere. She suffers a sexual assault. She's not believed and the trauma that her friend experiences impacts cassie in profound ways which puts we're on a path of vengeance. Not just against the people who eduated the crime against her friend but against the system and its perpetrators everywhere. Subject matter were dealing in. I point to in there will be seen my puzzle. I point to. I spit on your grave because i spit on your grave. Particularly the original is one of those films that people have a really hard time with. They have a hard time with abreu. Simitis how graphic it is. How vindictive and almost mean spirited it is not from every angle in the film it is a film that very thoroughly traumatizes the audience both in the atrocities committed against the female protagonist and in the brutality of her revenge. Young woman does very much the same thing. Were it Suspends the audience in that. You want you you understand. In root for what she's doing but at the same time there are moments in the story that really on that shit. You know how how far is too far. How far is ray. Yeah absolutely and i think you know obviously just getting like right into spoiler territory like we said here. I mean part of my issue with the film. The second time through is is also something that i find interesting about the film at the same time and that is where ultimately goes with the ending and everything and i think that that's part of that is just like something that's just so ugly that you kinda can't turn away from what ultimately happens to cassie in this movie And it's it's ending that as an audience member you know i. I don't know about you. But i don't want this ending. You know because we've got we've gone through this whole setup where where she's kind of let this bo burnham character in and then they have what seems like such a good thing going but then things are revealed and then it just goes as dark as can be from that point forward and it kind of like throws everything else out out the window at that point and that kind of audience members is a little bit frustrating. I feel like but it also is a mirror to how frustrating an awful for lack of much worse words. Things can be in real life for people who go through these issues to me. The ending has been a topic of conversation surrounding promising singh. Young woman in in it took me a while to how i feel about the ending in what i think about the ending or two very different. Things I feel the ending is not satisfying the come right out and saying just again if you if you don't want to be spoiled skip heads if ahead at the end of promising young woman. Cassie not only fails to exact to say she fails isn't even entirely accurate. Happy becomes a casualty to the system. She's fighting against she'd have a moment of kind of for final moments host stat. Post mortem in the bo burnham element because again the film is all about balance and reality and bo. Burnham comes in as a good guy character. He's the man that's going to convince cassie that not. All men are the same when she has roaming evidence to the contrary by the end of the film we realize that her heard her hopes have been dashed. My feeling is is that god is not as satisfying to in the movie. What i think in what i know to be true is that that distinction so critical I think the way that they introduced burnham's character into the situation was very important. That in the eyes of many rightfully so in abiding bystander is just as guilty as an aggressive perpetrator and while that is very difficult to watch from a hollywood i. I'm rooting for these crazy. Kids perspective sure yeah. It is so essential to the message of the film and to accurately portraying this very real and cultural experience right right and for a movie. That's like set up specifically to raise questions and get people talking. It is yet another question within the the overall questions of you know. How bad is this guy while there is. There is something there and everybody's going to have different opinions on that and so it just continues to raise more questions. But i'll jump onto my next piece. We've already started working away from ending. I'll go back to the beginning of the movie and the opening scene where we've get these kind of slow motion average guys just dancing to either. The song is boys i. I'm not sure the name of the artist but it reminds me of kind of the dark side of just in general jet apoptosis style movies so some of these movies are directed by john appetite. Some of them. Just star his regulars. Whether that's seth rogan james franco or any of these people. But you always get these big laugh set up by just how goofy these you know. Average as dudes are at the club and all that stuff and then we go straight for comedy from that point forward in this. Were getting the other side of that. That oh you know. There's a fairly good chance that some of these people are not good guys. You know even if there's even there's fun times and all that stuff at the bar scene like what really happens later isn't always so great and so it's kind of like a flipping. The coin of that whole judd appetite party movie vibe. I think that's such a perfect place to start because for me any don't very excited about this film and we're less than five seconds into the movie and it's i love it. I love it in that so true because of is in even that. It's something so fun. But it's also disarming because i think you nailed it exactly that goes into those comedic throws in. You're watching these kinda pudgy bros. Hip right into the camera with neon lights and a girl off album behind it. But what comes from. That is the knowledge that that predators aren't limited to a particular. Look right that these disarming seth rogan types as you said that they that they are just as much a threat as the successful good-looking frat daddy that people associate with this type of issue right right absolutely and i. It's interesting how that's played out throughout the entire film with the different kinds of kinds of guys that that she encounters throughout straight up through the ends in the The bachelor party scene but But yeah so. What do you got for your next piece. Though so continuing with my original theme. I think a natural hearing to a spit on your grave. Is the funny eighteen. A french film revenge or familiar. I'm familiar within. i've never seen it. I heard great things about it though so to kind of walk back to conversations of and again a very large content warning for the direction that we're about to go into there has been a lot of discussion about the use of of sexual assault and rape as a tool a very gender tool and film that that is off is used almost exclusively on women. There's a lot of television dramas films that you can point to where that very specific very gender entrenched palma is leveled almost exclusively at women in our media. The i spit on your grave is controversy film for many reasons one of those criticisms is its depiction of violent assault within the scope of the male. Gaze it is. I think the uk calls it a video nasty. Ms it sexually framed piece which makes it as a woman to watch what revenge does is. Revenge is the same type of film or it is a woman exacting. Revenge on a group of assailants. She survives an attack. She managed to she manages to get out into the desert. She picks her backers off one by one. What i think makes revenge closer to promising. Young woman is that revenge is not filmed within the male gaze. It is not shots of the female body. it doesn't focus on the assault itself. It focuses on the revenge. It also has a very bright and feminine aesthetic. When you're looking at promising woman the candy code exterior of the coffee shop that she works in the very soft feminine textures. That cassie wears. She's not framed as a hard at sharp feature bitch woman. Her characters very feminine. The ways that she disarms men is rooted in very feminine stereotypes the way she dresses at bars and every single art of that is a massive statement that revenge also makes by taking that type of film that type of story out of the male gaze in planting it in a feminine aesthetic it it becomes more of a revenge film unless they sexually scoped feature which is Challenge when it comes to the subject matter. Yeah i think that that is just such a big balancing. Act that Emerald fennel cast. Who has to deal with. This particular movie is trying to keep you because again. This is a big part of the ending. That like kinda like bugged me going in that. It's like i want to see this. Cassie character get some kind of closure and move on with her life and have a pet or liven. And that's not what happens and that's not what's going to happen for this person and so two to kind of to kind of balance that darkness of where the story is ultimately going to go with the kind of person that this promising young woman could have been. If not for the events you know of. The movie is is really difficult. I think i would agree. So i'll move onto another piece and this is a movie that actually just watch for the first time. Just this past week actually And and that's ridley scott's film and louise which. I think that this movie is similarly you know a very huge feminist story with an inevitably dark ending like i was just saying you know it does not go well in the end but it was never gonna go well in the end i mean. Cassie is unfortunately so damaged by what has happened in her life. That this this this revenge streak that she is on. It's not gonna get to a certain point where she's done and finished with it and happy and move on. Things have been started. That just can't be stopped at that point and that's kind of the The journey that thelma and louise go on where they're just. There's never going to be a win. There's never going to be an end at the end of their story. And so they they go for the The only end that they see at that point. And yeah it's great movie in my first time watching it so congratulations. I can't believe i never. I never saw that movie inevitability. I think that's that's what i really all out of that. I think you're so right at inevitability such a large part of louise in it's also a big part of promising young woman because going back to that very controversial ending. It is a dark gas message but the message is that the people get away with this and that in that there is no moving on from that trauma victims of these of these type of incidents. There is no moving all it becomes a part of your landscape in. It's something that touches you and for cassie in her ending to be able to in thing. I think it's very easy to to look at the film. You know where. It's the strain of destroying of teachable moments for the men that cross kassy's path leading up to that big bachelor party scene. It's very easy to kind of look at it as small pieces leading up to the major events i think that's true i think that inevitability is something that happens. Each time she enters that bar he has a really great line about how long she's been doing this. And how many times a nice guy has offered to take her home in the night has gone role and i think that inevitability at least in the context of promising young woman is part of the threat which louise doesn't a much warmer right. But they're both stories of netted ability. Yeah absolutely so. What do you get your next piece. So moving through style. I think that promising young woman is a very stylish film. I think that's what's gonna get a lot of sticking power aside from its narrative but inglorious bastards. I m interested in hearing this with inglorious bastards. It's i think just one of the best revenge. Fantasy films out there Very much a film that is drawn from the part of your creative brain about what you wish she could do when you're thinking about revisionist history new thinking about film like inglorious bastards. You wish more than anything that historically there has been this band of colorful characters that manage to blow hitler's face off a movie theater like right when you're looking at this Large store believable sort of thing. You think about tarantino has a very particular style. Inglorious bastards has a very distinct style. All its own in promising. Young woman is very much the same way. I think that the the intention with design with music. I think that there is a very parallel mastery between the two directors the ability to bring in every element of look and music into a forwarding Feminine fantasy on one side macho anisi on the other. It's just it. It's something that kinda tickled by brain in that anybody who has any familiarity experience with the extent of the problem. I've trying to keep things in vague terms. 'cause i don't wanna trigger warning. Every minute of this episode is it is so frustrating to be citizen of the world now to have in my case to have recently been a community member on college campuses to know full well what our culture is how it impacts able especially in x. young women You can look back to the cavanaugh hearings and get an idea of who you see the world of promising young woman at work in very much like the tragedy the real world tragedy of war two. It's a very human thing to wish for that spirit of vengeance that tarantino captures his film captured here in promising. Young woman. you it's a it's a reprieve. It's a reprieve from the stress of knowing that it's a real problem. Yeah i've been thinking. What a glorious bastards a lot lately just with the current national discourse and you know you see a neo nazi in the news and you suddenly have an urge to revisit. Apparently no that's actually a very good point and i should do that soon. It would probably be a good way to To deal with everything going on. But i'll throw one other comparison to inglorious bastards in there. I hadn't thought of this beforehand but you know hans. Landa is such a lovable guy and each of these shows dudes are until things get gross and awful are each their own little caricature of or should he dude. That is kind of fun to watch. Mclovin as the coke head you know with his shoulders scripts and the i forget his name but the main guy who's having the wedding at the end of the bachelorette parties for how he starts crying immediately. You know they're each kind of very fun to watch even though there are total shit bags. I'm so happy that you said that. Because favorite sane in inglorious bastards is the bare juicy. And i think that captures perfectly your point and i agree with you completely in inglorious bastards. The bear jew is played by ally. Roth he is a member of the nazi hunting squad in a brutal member in that he beats captured nazis to death with a baseball bat in tarantino's fashion in that scene is so impactful. Because it's a you know full well that you're looking at a jewish vigilante who is facing down the ultimate evil which is the nazi party during world war two. You're also watching a scene. Between two soldiers. It is one of the few moments in the film and and i agree onslaught says a level bad guy. That scene with the bear jew is one of the few moments in the film. Where where there's a bit of the captured nazi officer in that film is not a caricature of me-right. It's a very human moment between two people. One is infuriated by the injustice. The other is a soldier who knows what's coming. It makes it such a powerful scene and an and you can apply it to so many moments in promising young woman. Because you're absolutely right. And it goes all the way back to the disarming effect of those early dance aids that you're not seeing these caricatures of predatory men their average dudes. They're lovable dudes. That's part of. Why films framed the way that is to say that this isn't you don't have to be looking for the shady guy with twirly mustache right into the that that danger lurks everywhere right and it also complicates. It complicates your relationship with what's going on because it forces you the viewer you know. You're thirsty for blood just like cassie. You're also having several of those human moments back to back flaw and if you're like me moving past that very quickly some viewers not so much right right absolutely well. That turned out to be a great puzzle piece. I love that. I'm gonna go onto a piece that i'm sure a lot of people won't like so much especially in our film twitter world but I'm going to go joker for my next puzzle piece. The todd phillips joaquin phoenix joker movie. I know i know. But i mean we are dealing with the protagonist who is lashing out against a shitty society and the actions of everybody within that society and basically taking matters into their own hands in a way that is you know you root for him to a degree but at the same time is not necessarily the best way to go about things You might say and you know. Certainly these people deserve what's coming to them but at the same time Sometimes people maybe just need to take a step back and get the help that they need so they may be moved forward in a your way. You know so i do see parallels there and we also get the scene in the mirror with the clown ish makeup. That's true that's that's very on the dot. Yeah i i think that in part of the beauty of promising young woman and i and i like i do agree. That joker summarizes the side day. Really well i look ahead to the future a little bit and we cannot revisit this episode and see if i was right into my crystal ball looking to the larger release of promising young woman. There are going to be a lot of people who wants to dismiss this film as as man bashing right They may think that if they want. I personally don't care knicks. But but that will be the major responses vilification of of men in promising young woman men with the apple and the moments that i wanted to draw attention to are the scene with the dean at the medical school a woman and her teenage daughter and the interaction with allison breeze character. Sure because i think i think something. That's very important and you touch on it so much with with joker in railing against a society. The issue that is at the center of promising young woman is not an issue of men versus women. Absolutely anna fest in that way more often than not we will be honest in our analysis but this goes so much deeper. This goes into the accountability of how other women make excuses for what happens to their friends. It goes to how other women treat other women. It goes to how women hold were very protective of teenage girls and teenage children. As we should be i think we ultimately as a society fail women that are in college. I think campuses the very weird space between adulthood in childhood where everything in the world is looking out for you whenever you're a high school student once you're in college. They're still so much help that you need that a lot of wins don't get that transcends issues of sexual assault on college campuses. I do think that joker very much. As when i think of i think of a railing against the world and i think i think that is the exact correct wake of promising young woman. I think that there's a lot of people who will focus on the The gender specific aspect of it and that's just alternately a disservice to both how to read the film in outskirts. I completely agree. Yeah This is a movie that is i mean i know we all like to make fun of the whole society thing but i mean this is a this is a movie that absolutely has the bigger picture in its sights. Not not just gender or anything like that. So what are you got your next piece. This is my last one and again. There's a theme within a theme as it turns out another tarantino joint okay For a lot of the same reasons. I think that kill bill is more colorful fund version of some of the things that we touched on in inglorious bastards. I what. I really enjoyed in promising young woman at what i came back to in my second. Viewing the film is the very distinct feminine style vary caricature of feminity. The character of cassie has rainbow painted nails in the final scene. At the bachelor party she was still rainbow wig. She paints on her makeup heavy in one scene. She does the in just a look. That i'm very familiar with having that a grown up in the two thousands but that bleach blonde ponytail tan baby slim pink lipstick mira their caricatures and caricatures of femininity that are associated with this very distinct female vengeance. And i think of kill bill the same way except parenti. No he's not playing with. He's not playing with characters femininity he's playing with caricatures of the action genre way that he costumes The bride and other women in the film. It's all very much rooted in kind of the type of exploitation films action films that he's stylize ing after room scene. Young woman does the same thing so kill. Bill is really a style marker but of course it's very easy to compare these very extreme and bad ass while angels of vengeance absolutely. Yeah you've got a. You've got a beautiful. Basically revenge protagonists. Who who marks down in her book which number the person is on her list. So yeah i mean. There's plenty of kill bill. There and i was considering including it on my list as well but i love what you're saying about about it being like almost caricature version of of like these particular female archetypes or or whatever which is something that tarantino does so well and is kind of her various looks like throughout this movie. It definitely i. I see the comparison. Totally it is critical to rating the film because looking at the larger issue of sexual assault and particularly how react to sexual assault against women. The the expected question is while what were you aware. And and there's which is an infuriating piece of the puzzle it but for the film each of those austin's that cassie dawn's as a way of luring in it speaks to fence. It speaks to one minute. Views on women letting nerves stripper the every iteration of the drunk at the club bimbo name every single character. She has a stereotype. S kind of a manic exceed dream. Girl look in the mclovin sane. She's very specifically capitalizing on male fantasy and male stereotypes of women to bring men in in for for many viewers. But i think especially for women watching the film. It is so gratifying to see this woman. Taking a uniform that other people have used to excuse sexual assault and watching a woman beat. A man to death feels good well. I think that's actually a really great transition point to my last puzzle piece. Which is the film hustler's from laurien scarf. Areosa jennifer lopez and. Yeah i mean this movie about these strippers who take advantage of all these men because fuck them basically who cares about these men and of course as we've been talking about here things go too far to blows up the whole situation going forward from there but that initial that initial point of view of of these men have been getting away with acting like this forever and you know these women who are in a place of you know powerlessness till that point are taking that back and you know taking control. The situation in hustlers is just fantastic. Also has a lot of the style you've been talking about through this episode. I think that aesthetic has so much to do with it. Especially when it comes to women as i mean you know. We're we're good looking species. Women use to incredible affect in film. And of course there have been tons of discussions in hollywood about the male gaze and how women are positioned in films. And how that looks. And i think it's very exciting to see expectation in fantasy in kind of the That particular brand of female presentation be put in these folks who fills. Yeah yeah absolutely tales. Choice right on. Well i will go ahead and do the finished puzzle and we'll get into some closing thoughts here but we talked about. I spit on your grave. Judd appetite movies revenge. Thelma and louise inglorious bastards joker. Sorry everybody in kill bill and hustlers and i will for first closing. Thought i will add in there. One bonus puzzle piece which is very bad things in which a strippers killed at a bachelor party and as dark as this movie is. there are plenty of jokes. Played at that point with with the bachelor the bachelor party so i think it's still fits a little bit. I think i think the big takeaway is at one of us is very angry. Watching promising young woman near is a for. And i completely understand your point of view and makes sense. I'm very comfortable in the in the motion of rage. So it's it's own jokes. But i do speaking to indicate thoughts i. I'm very nervous for this film to enter the wider cultural discourse because i can always count on the willfully ignorant. I think there are plenty of people who will be very quick to dismiss this film without viewing it. I think this film will be very challenging for people and we're not comfortable with being uncomfortable. That's the fabric. Life is that Watching things that are challenging. It's very upsetting for us. I hope people will dig indeed knicks themselves cocktail and get ready for the ride. Because i do. I think the film approaches these topics with a lot of humor in with a great deal of intellect and intention. it's very watchable movie Quite important yeah. Well to that watchable I i also wanted to mention just a great supporting cast. All around the the parent jennifer coolidge and clancy brown and are are so good. So that really. You know provides a lot of levity in an otherwise very heavy movie so so. That's good to that point one question. I wanted to ask you though you know now that we've finally got to see this movie and kind of take it all in and everything. Did this movie surprise you. In the way it took on the subject matter. Was it what you expected or was it something very different from what you expected. I understood you just kinda based on the trailer is that. I'm i'm the big. Horror movie fanatic. Actually when i saw the trailers. I thought very much that this is. Oh i spit on your grave white. My initial impression of the trailers. And i think that's a pretty fair. I think it's a fair summary. If you really discount cow graphic the originally spit on your grave is sure it did meet my expectations very much. I some people are gonna make the argument that this movie is heavy handed. I don't fully agree So i met all of my expectations. Pretty exactly i was. I was more surprised. About how much humor it allowed itself into me that speaks to just bold filmmaking because this is a serious topic and nobody's comfortable talking about this stuff this is going to end and i and i throw around. Content warnings with abandoned. People need to be in the correct head space to watch this movie. This will be impossible for some people and that or k. but i also appreciate bats in in the filmmaking. There is a comfort and almost a surrender to the subject matter that allows you to play in. This is not a israel. Movie sure could be no. Yeah absolutely and it's definitely. It's it's a movie that you kind of have to be open to asking questions afterwards to like really kind of like you know thinking about it and like sitting with it for awhile because there's there's just so much so much at play here and such a complicated issue that this movie is is working with to me. I think the best advice i could give to a viewer is allow yourself to be challenged because there are moments in iowa and i will admit to this myself. There are moments in the film. Still yourself closing up to real. It's tubes spiky. it's too uncomfortable. There are those moments where you want to clam up push. Has that impulse because you will be given break the filmmaker what she's doing when you push through the hard moment you're going to get a break right after and it will be worth it to carry through to the end. No that makes sense. Absolutely i think that i think that about does it for promising. Young woman I'm glad we got a chance to do this. And is there another movie which recently like to recommend our listeners on not a movie but a series one on christmas day on net flicks. Richardson i highly recommend with your challenging a rape culture narrative of promising young woman. Do a chase served with some pretty dresses in some dude butts. The bridgeton series is incredibly sexy. It's a lot of fun. it's also very culture positive. And i think a wonderful chaser beautiful maybe more for your female listeners. Than than the guys but yeah but you know what watch too. Yeah maybe we'll learn a couple of things here and there so you can others will appreciate it all right. This is awesome a wedding. Tell people where they can find you and your writing. The best place to find me is on twitter at kate. Does that at ca it doe s I write about everything i'm going to be writing about. Richardson and y. All of your boyfriend should be watching it very well. I don't have a boyfriend. But i'll get my wife to watch one and on. Well thank you again for being here. And i look forward to hopefully getting you back again. One of these days. It's always a pleasure. Thank you so much Hello everyone my name. Is matt nagla an. Im the host of the next best picture. Podcast part of the film. 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214. BioSpotting : Promising Young Woman - Bion ppnar Upp!!!

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34:59 min | 5 months ago

214. BioSpotting : Promising Young Woman - Bion ppnar Upp!!!

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Drive (2011)

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Drive (2011)

"Hello everyone happy. Tenth anniversary to the movie drive. Which is the subject of today's prestige film. It came out in this week on two thousand eleven. It was directed by danish filmmaker. Nicolas winding refn woke who also directed some things i've seen before that The crime bio pic bronson came out in two thousand eight t also did that the viking period peace action film valhalla rising in two thousand nine before dr who has written by hossein amini who also wrote Got an oscar for his work on the wings of a dove also wrote the screenplay for forty seven ronin based on the novel. Dr james sallis stars ryan gosling Former mousketeers turn star of the romance. The notebook yeah. Also in big shorts was just in blade runner not too long ago. The new one carey mulligan who also is in pride and prejudice to great gatsby remake with leonardo dicaprio inside lou davis bryan cranston bald move fan favorites walter motherfucking white as the carmen shannon in this film albert brooks who i was today years old and i found that he was not actually a another son of mel brooks. Guy was shocked. Yeah fair related brooks democ in hollywood. Because there are a lot of brooks lots of brooks in hollywood. He was in taxi driver and private benjamin in the late seventies early eighties and came all the way to two thousand eleven to be missing and away. I've never really seen before in this movie. As a gangster bernie oscar isaac We know oscar isaac right Kodama and from star wars amongst other things christina hendricks and other bald new fan favorites. Who can forget joan for madman. And in ron perlman we know ron ron perlman of hell boy. Fame of one of the blade fame's of pacific rim fame. He of the lantern jaw jim. This is a very arty neo. New war gangster film set in la gap. What what did you think of it. I remember coming away from this movie. The first time remembering mostly the aesthetic in that it is yeah nina war film sort of draped in vapor wave. Right like and. I don't know that that comes through in the actual filming of it so much as it comes through. In the key art and the soundtrack those are by far the most vapor wavy elements of this production. But that is the vibe. I had coming out of it. Fell like do you remember game hotline miami. I feel like hotline miami. Bit a lot off of this movie's feel and that that was it that it was that and it was the scene of bryan cranston's character getting it that i came away from this movie with and that was seared into my head that moment. Yeah the love scene between him and Sister brooks was just he just gets it and the the most unforgettable way yeah yeah i i remember because this happened at the ball of the dawn of bald move. I know we saw it. But i don't think we were actually talking about movies at the time. We might have just started covering television and whatnot and as you know big bryan cranston. Fan from Breaking bed and i was expecting a very slick stylish action film and what. I was very slick and stylish art house film. That left me very cold and nihilist feeling at the end of it It has some of the most shocking violence. I've ever seen because comes out of when it starts up in the movie kind of comes out of nowhere. And i just i because this is very imagine films a lot of very influential. Because i don't think you have john wick or fury road if you don't have this film l. Feel ryan gosling and blade runner. If you don't have this fill you're probably not wrong there but for all those reasons and this movie is well loved. That was well. Decorated Has a very high critic score slightly lower. Well not even slightly lower audience score. Because i feel like a lot of people like me. Were expecting a more conventional action film. Which has to do something to give you something to care about the protagonist and i feel like this movie wasn't interested in any of that it was just all about archetypes in style and i admire this film a lot. It's got a great soundtrack it. It looks amazing. All the time It's got sickening displays of human depravity. But it just leaves me feeling cold. And i admire this film. But i don't necessarily like it. I mean the main character of this movie keeps everybody including the audience at a distance. I don't think you're meant to like it. you are. There is enough of a character in enough insight into that character to feel something for him into sympathize with him in a lot of cases. It's it's barely a sketch of character. The sketch of the character is this is a good guy at heart who does bad things in deserve right right not to not to reign of citizens. He's not doing shit like that but if he's a good guy and that's enough of a piece of a character latch onto and say okay. I'm willing to follow him through this journey. But you're right at the end. I don't know where the end of this movie wants to leave us necessarily other than where we started. And i don't know that that's like a super compelling arc even if it is one that's fairly easy to follow i think the other problem is carey mulligan. Who is the exact same. There's very little reason to care. She is the she is the macguffin in this movie designed to be cared for yet. But i don't give a shit about her. In fact i don't like her in any of the films i've seen her in I like the great gatsby. She's easily the weakest part of the film. I don't inside. I don't like inside. Llewellyn davis i wonder how much of that is because i just. She is like a question mark. That's what i want to see her face. Giant fucking question. Mark she looks like a brick in super mario brothers that give me a mushroom or fire flower. I'm not really sure and this movie plays to find out. Right of the movie plays into the movie. It's it's not encouraging us to get in real tight with these characters because both of them are very similar characters. Neither of them cares to say much of anything throughout this entire movie. They're they're almost held back by the the tone of this movie and the aesthetic of this movie Yeah yeah the the whole narrative is and i don't know that it's bad it's just. It's just subdued because it's four artistically. Yeah because this isn't like a long dreary film on a two hour slog fast. It's like it's no. It's not a minute longer than it needs to be do what it does but it like it always goes for atmosphere and mood where i guess i'd rather it to do something with the characters and right you know like Ryan gosling and carey mulligan. I don't feel. I have any chemistry and it's really important in such thin character. Stretches sketches to do that which is crazy because ryan. Gosling has fucking chemistry. Everyone know insist character. I don't know that this character would have chemistry with anyone with character. I believe a relationship between ryan gosling. And benicio i think is his name but i don't buy it between him and carry because like i said right gossiping's a really charming guy like e want to like him even when he's like but he comes alive when he's like dealing with the kid and i i kind of would like him to come alive when he's dealing with her too but they're both playing this kind of like dreamy sleep walkie kind of fantasy role in the beginning. And then it all goes fuck. Oh and but by that time. I don't care why the final that's the biggest. The damn damning thing at the end is something shocking. Happens and i just didn't care. I was like oh and it was interesting. Like i mean like i said gosling has chemistry with king mel noam's our albert brooks tons of chemistry and bryan cranston which isn't fucking surprising. But yeah just to leads. Don't work together. And i feel like i really holds the movie back. I'll even go one further. He has he has better chemistry oscar. Isaac in this film baby daddy that he's moving in on shits believable. Yes actually pretty intense chemistry with christina. Hendricks it's all very missing and dangerous but like those are two actors playing off each other like given something and getting something i i. It's you know. Maybe maybe all of hollywood figure that out about mulligan because Like i feel like she was everywhere in the mid twenty tens and she's kind of like nowhere now maybe i'm also kind of avoiding stuff with her in it yeah. I don't know what i've seen her character's name in this is irene And i guess we should talk about irene. Because i think irene is like the worst character in some ways in this movie there's a lot of information that irene should be dishing out but maybe it's because of the aesthetic of this bill that doesn't have them saying anything to any to each other at any point in this movie they're basically just trading looks or maybe it's down to like maybe it's down to just them not like wanting to paint this character certain way but she does not say some key things to ryan goslings character to driver. Because i think that's his name in this movie that she probably needs to be saying as as You know someone who has a baby daddy. Who's in prison in about to get out in the week and she kind of jail that import this so does she know that cause but the other thing is you could turn that right around the ryan. Gosling and be like. Hey maybe when you're talking about being a driver You know the talk about the high that you do. The they're both with holding information. That is very important to this budding relationship that they have. I get sort of angry about that. But that's really the only downside or or potential flaw in this movie that i see everything else is really well done. I just yeah i said as i was watching the site. 'cause i wanted to give it another shy recently. Saw baby driver again. And i revise my estimation of that film upwards quite a bit in fact i think it's damned. You're close to be in a perfect film. They just They fell in. Love john ham. And there's too much him in the third. Act this way too much. Need to cut some of those servings of protein and i don't know put some vegetables in there something because it's just too much of a good thing i think So i'm like in the early stages on my okay i. This is really good. Start driving and it feels real. And i i went on the re. Read up a little bit on a film. And i understand like you know why that is and that was something that director was going four but like it's kind of like when you see If you put yourself back in a mind frame asean The bourne identity for the first time like that's kind of qarase that's kind of a car chase you've not seen before and this is like a car driver you know th that's you've got us code. I thought that inter that introduced. Well i really like bryan cranston. I like that stuff. It's like in fact. But but the movie just hits a brick wall win. He meets carey mulligan on an elevator with their child. And they're supposed to have a spark and there is absolutely no spark and then they follow up that with just inexplicable more and more and they keep that the movie kind of sags and then when he gets away they're like running another high-stake in the movie gets another pulse. enters a lot of graphic. But then it's like it always comes back to this. Irene situation Maybe we should like breakdown. gives an opposite of what the movie's about. Because i want to talk about that. Opening scene in spoiler terms So yeah let's let's do that. And then get over that spoiler alert ryan gosling is the driver at saul. We know him as or the kid He is a young stuntman slash auto mechanics slash car racer. Who does odd jobs involving stunt work and car restoration for bryan cranston's character. Who runs a body shop or a racing shop or some kind of car mechanic thing in la. He's also a stunt producer. I think yeah. Jerry is like has a has gets a cars ready and has the guys ready to do the things they need to do And you know the day they pay bills by doing stunt work on the side they do heist where you know some. It's you know you've seen jason. Tatum transporting things It's that You've seen baby driver. You need someplace You gotta be someplace really quick. And he can't have cops or people with guns stopping asking questions about it. You hire this guy only drive. And he doesn't participate in the high-seas just the only gun like he's got him for five minutes anything before that or after that. He don't give a shit about that he's going to help and everything's going swimmingly. In fact they seem like they might be going legit they. They do a deal with A los angeles businessman that is when they get them into funding for a race team and they want to go all in and dislike amature. Nascar racing Everything goes starts. Going bad when carey mulligan walks in whether very admittedly very cute son of a dad who's in jail and is going to get home soon. And guess what he got out of jail but The life of crime keeps pulling him back and puts the driver in a situation. Where is he going to let this. Young family that he cares about inexplicably Get slaughtered by the underworld of la wanna fuck and drive their way out of it. You'll never guess what course of action he chooses twists and turns from there Admittedly some of them were pretty pretty. Shocking case starts the premise of the film gangster plot. This movie is real good but we'll talk about it. I wanna talk about the driving in this movie because its extensively mostly about that The drives call dr statement. It's it's great. It's it's great in way like you said it's different Like the bourne identity was different like italian job. I guess was different after the bourne identity did it the the way the tactical nature of the driving really paints picture of this character. And i i love how they do that because not a lot of driving movies will do that. Use the driving to tell you something about the main character. He's smart is like number one. And he's he's very controlled constant poise like he is the epitome of cool right in these high pressure pressure situations and that first driving scene does a hell of a lot of heavy lifting to tell you about this character and it's exciting to the way he's he's dodging. I've never seen it. It's not a high speed chase for the most part right is a game of cat-and-mouse and i i really love that part of it. Also show that he's not afraid to go directly at things too like he's a very direct character and i feel like some of the work Tells that part of the story too. I saw that like The actor director at a couple of things the thefirst st- car sequences. Essentially i guess ryan gosling went through a stuntman school so we could do some of his own stunts though and it was just him and the director with a hand held camera inside the car for like two days and he never wanted action. Leave the car and go from an exterior like it's all either gonna be tight work on the car so you can see what it's doing and inside reaction that's like the world that he wanted to and i think part of this works because it's a little amateur like are you know you've got. There's there's two things. They did what they called the biscuit rig which was pioneered on the show the movie seabiscuit which allows someone to be doing something and the actual person is to the side or behind So ryan gaza can just essentially act like he's driving and concentrate on his performance means doing the heavy lifting behind him or two to decide into cameras. Pick any of that stuff. But i think a lot of it is like the one of the other car. Sequences involve christina christina. Hendricks works. Because i think you have a terrified actor in the back seat of the car getting thrown around organically it. There's something kind of real to like her horrified. Look she's going back and forth and has a car spiraling in the back seat flipping end over in behind her. It's you know these are like the driver is completely unflappable but all this chaos swirling around in this It doesn't look pretty. It's not near misses cars or getting clipped all the time. There's something to it. There's something very direct and unpretentious about the car. Driving action is completely missing from a fast and furious for example. And i like also how goslings reaction to the situations. He's in when he's in the car changes over the course movie a little bit like he's still very poised in comic collected and all that but in the beginning he's much more so right. There's a difference between his expression win. He's driving these two guys who pull off this heist. Whatever at the beginning versus when he's got christina hendricks in the car under. She's a little more panicked. You can tell still with it but yeah he. There isn't evolution of that character throughout the film through the driving. And i i think it's probably the best part of the maybe the gangster parts very good as well. I wanna talk about that. But yeah i love. I said that's the stuff i like about the movie. Driving the gangster stuff. The ultra violence. Even i don't have a problem with. It's just everything about the everything they used it like build the emotional stakes by large. Doesn't work honestly i i. I kind of like the. I got a lot of juice. Out of Bernie yeah like. This guy is capable of doing the shocking stuff. But he doesn't want to like he doesn't really like he's really pissed ron perlman for putting me in this position yet but there's something cold and clinical I don't wanna talk too much about that yet. Because i want to spend the whole conversation on that the way they do storytelling the driver. 'cause he has very little dialogue he almost never says anything but they do really cool stuff like these. He's always pictured driving and they've got like this one shot where it's like. The camera is the stick shift. It's looking up at him and he's driving through these sequences of our prior overpasses. And like there's this whole shadow rolls over his body but then you also his eyes are lit by the rear view mirror. It gives them kind of like it. Looks like he's wearing a bach la you need to see his eyes and then his whole face lights up and he goes to not the sequence of this like as reflecting the like hopeful and dark thoughts that are kind of rolling through his mind Some slick slick shots like that that really again because you don't know anything else about what's going on. This guy is like you have to have things like that and this. This movie delivers them in spades. I think yeah. What about the drivers look in throughout the movie. He's got got the scorpion jacket that he wears this white jacket with gold scorpion. Emblazoned on the back a i. I feel like for a guy who steals cars to be not very noticeable and is worried about like. Oh impala gonna get me noticed. It's no gray and it's the most common car in la so you'll be fine. We'll even look at you to wear a fucking iconic jacket like. This is a little white. Although i guess like if he's in the ditch car as where he takes that thing off and puts on like Dodgers cap it'd be it'd be even better camouflage because you're looking for this we're gonna find. His is like a jackets brighter than the sun. It's got a gold scorpion on the back. Yeah look at his jo-jobs just walking down a drab jeans and a dodgers cap. Can't be him these run right past. But they when you're sitting in the dieter and like one of the guys who you drove previously recognizes your giant scorpion. Yeah you're probably not as cammo as you wanna be so out of the. I guess it's double edged sword. Look and very smart. They show him like you know doing this. Which has now become kind of tropy. The lake Just park a car somewhere and melt away like i think that's the first time i ever saw that was in patriot games movie. It's the idea that you can like this park in a big parking lot in the mall and they're looking for aerial news walk into a mall and he might as well walked into an alternate reality. Because what the fuck you know you can. Just take your use shed. You're out or close by some. It's it's getting to the point where that's not gonna be thing in movies because a facial recognition. Yeah i already think we're the traffic is actually like the more i'm like. I'm watching. Sopranos The sopranos would be rolled up like with the amount of bodies that they drop like. There's so many cameras and tv stuff. I feel like if the thing is like pissing off the police bad enough that they want to do this. Because it's actually a hard police work. Going around crime happened here. Where's the camera. Where's the camera they went this way. Where are the street cameras. You have to build like a whole and trumpet. Yeah you can't if you cared enough to assist Yeah and usually murders two things that the really really. Really a rise to that. Kind of level scrutiny. Now there are just going to have like the cops up in the helicopter just going to have an app where they can hit a button and just like the drawing lines on a football field in real time or text on a football field on television they can just pinpoint you want you. Walk down the street. Yeah that's going to be like once like an and if they get a engine sophisticated handoff between cameras. It's like i of interest have this mesh network above facially identifying camera. It'll it'll be so easy on the one hand. It seems like a great crime fighting tool for like murders and rapes right up but On the other hand are well in. We'll see if it's used for good or evil. I don't know i will say there's two scenes that used to work a lot better until like three months ago every time he puts on that foam face. I can't think anything of than. I think you should leave skit where the guys like. I got shit on me. This june kills. I've tell you take it off the it's going to be taken to have taken this shit off. It's so fucking hilarious. Yeah and it just destroys the climax of the the the end of this movie. It was already a pretty silly looking. I think you're just really underlines the fact that like yeah we got ryan gosling dead doll is looking from the depths of this fo masked. It's oh my and then you know. If you haven't seen the netflix series than i guess in drive is your favorite movie. Don't because it'll racket it'll the full third of this movie. I feel like it makes the whole final. That whole be seen a lot. Creepy though. like stocking michael myers. Yeah it's very creepy. I liked that part of it. But you're right it that's the thing it's like. Sometimes the intention art films. Get me. And i just came up a lot in pig where it's like boy. Oh boy oh boy. This is like film house. This is film school one one and he's doing it like i was reading that like he wanted you to understand that like ryan gosling is kind of like a. He used the word werewolf interviews several times. He's a man but he can turn into an animal and like when His his girlfriend sees him kicked that guy's head in the elevator Like that's her like witnessing her lover turned into a werewolf. And i think that like the latex mask is direct lease supposed to remind you of something. Like michael meyer. This implacable unkillable monster. Something monstrous. he's transformed himself into but he can still go back to be a man like you know it's it's a it's a transformation it's not like who he is underneath or like who. He is at his core. It's something he literally transforms into which is kinda cool. But like i said it's it's something that like really textual so it's it's very noticeable and the symbolism does come through certainly it's it's part of my notes here so and that's interesting because like i even bring us up in the movie where Gosling is watching the movie with their kid or series or something he's like. Oh is that a bad guy. And he's like yeah. How can you tell. He's like a shark. Oh there's no good sharks now you can tell. Just look at him. You know like ryan gosling stages career. I think most people look at him. And he's a you know he. He's the tearjerker guy. In notebook he's not like administering dangerous guy So like i think they're. They're showing the difference between like the true bad guys. But it's funny because like this film is filled with people who you know like if you look at ron perlman versus Albert brooks like who is the threatening figure romper. But he's the joke like he's like if it weren't for bernie. Hugh deprived been fish food along. Time ago this this kind they kind guys the one that you really are scared of monsters versus the truly dangerous people in the world. Yeah and i think casting against type of with with brian gosling was a smart move in that regard because man as little as they sell the chemistry and the romance between him and irene. In this movie. Can you imagine if it was ron perlman in that role as driver like i mean maybe they would have had more mistry. I don't know but you would have looked at him immediately. Said oh that's a bad guy. You shouldn't get involved with him. Or is ryan gosling and early goings. You think that ryan gosling might be a baby driver type. Who is this like. He's uncomfortable violence and the but there's that great scene in the diner where a guy who understand. Maybe one of his drives broke bad for tries to recruit him on his side. And he's like you shut your fucking mouth raw. Kick every teeth down your throat like just out of nowhere this side and like fuck gosling okay. This little hint before we actually see him do stuff like that. Nah this isn't some naive guy that was manipulated into. He's done already at this stage a lot of bad stuff and doesn't mind doing more if you deserve it for sure There's something you said to go to the driving very quickly here. It's something you said about the technique that they used to get these shots or they have the biscuit cam the biscuit rig biscuit rig you got a different guy driving they use that in this movie and it's very obvious now that you've pointed out because there's one scene where he's driving into his parking garage in his apartment building and oscar. Isaac has just been beat up and the two guys who did it or walking out of the parking garage and ryan gosling is them at the never takes his eyes off of them even for a split second and as he's doing watching them he's parking his car in a very tight space so you can tell it like it does well okay so that must be the right because the stuntman is the one who's actually driving the car but also in the movie it's really effective in showing you just how good how instinctual of driver he is. Because he doesn't even need a look where he's going he just yeah he no he can feel it he can feel it and it's like it's a really good touch. That's a good point. Because i didn't even notice that your i notice it subconsciously because i saw is looking. But the fact that he's doing a complicated park is without check in his mirrors or anything. Nothing here's what's coming up for club members patrons into followers this week. Jim zubi houses this week. 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Podcast happened right now. I feel like sometimes it. Movie sweats details like that. But there's a couple of things that bothered me like They're doing the one last heist to clear Was his name is named standard. Which i thought was funny. Standard gabriel and. I forgot the obvious joke. Where's the deluxe version. It's pretty but standard gets This this thing goes all pear shape when he tries to rob a pawnshop and he gets shot but i don't know how we go from like that shot of leg gosling peeling out of there and laying tracks and these guys chasing on foot to like. We're way we smash cut to like a exciting chase between him and some belligerent. Down the freeway. And i'm i think they later fill in like there was a second car is stuff that you we didn't know about but like it left me very disoriented. But maybe that's what the director was trying to do. Like we'll ryan gosling. Didn't know about the second chase car. But i would've liked to seen like i think there's a cut missing there. Where like he tears pasta suv. Who's parked in another lot. And it tears because i was like well. How did they chase up with them or catch up with them. They are nowhere near a car. Ryan gosling is driving a bat outta hell. He's the best driver in his film. Two seconds later there's on his ass known as a second car and cads telling job was. Yeah they they tell. There's a there's a second car in that and it doesn't follow him out of that scene doesn't yeah yeah totally Okay well maybe. I just fucked up and i thought i thought there was a bad edit where they're felt like there's a couple of connecting scenes should have been there and it just didn't quite work. Now i got it. I i guess i'm not. I'm not entirely sure whose car whose second car was in that parking lot. So it's it's ron perlman's car or it's a new york gangsters car. I i definitely part of the setup and you find that out later and that's fine because like okay. Well we shouldn't have any of that doesn't have so. I'm just saying that like in the moment. I wish we saw that develop like you know as he pulls out a parking lot. Another car shifts into gear and peels out after him or so car peeling out of side drive or something so as other is a doozy is brian. Ron perlman's idea there is. he's hiring. This low level gangster dude in tracksuit to to hire oscar isaac to four saucer eyes ache and christina andrex to go rob this million dollars from the pawn shop that belongs to the east coast mafia. And then he's going to rip them off making it look what the he'll be insulated from it because they won't be like oh this this well known irish it's era irish jewish italian mobster ripped us off. It's this no-name what's his face and his red and maybe they face consequences or maybe they just wind up dead before the east coast guys asked me questions but i think spend a lot of mental energy trying to figure out because brooks lets me know later on. That's meat ahead. Play had plan that was doomed to fail like it. Did you know like like a great idea. A higher a bunch of no name lowlifes off the streets take the fall. But guess what your trust and no name low ice on the street the fucking do the job for you in the first place. Congratulations okay the tracks which you're seen hendrix. By the way she's different than i've seen her at anything else i guess. Maybe i'm focusing. Too much on the madman. Firefly christina hendricks. But i've never seen her in like modern day street clothes of just like normal every like a hoodie and a t shirt and it was kind of weird. But i liked it. She's great but it's also odd this year in a role that gives her almost zero agency. She's bullied and browbeaten this situation. She's literally bullied and beat by the driver information out of her mouth. She didn't get like the. I truly shocking a piece of violence in the film as her head getting obliterated slow motion by a shotgun. I don't know why. Hollywood i'm maybe thrown choice. Like she fucking did madman. She did this to the most memorable performances in firefly and then she did You know drive. And she's got like oscar nominations. She's got emmy nominations she's got sifi pulp clow and she's like you know what fuck it. I can be choosy the lake. I can think she was in that. Was that other michael k williams thing a leroy and the bird or frankenmuth castle. And the i yeah. I haven't seen her in a lot of stuff post madman i'm like is hollywood. Does not know what to do with her. It's sad because i think she's great. And i just hardly ever needling. Yeah same here Haven't seen her a lot of modern stuff bryan cranston in this movie. Speaking of some of the actors. He's great man. He does exactly what he needs to do. He plays this like crusty. Put upon guy who's like just trying to hustle for money at the lower rungs of hollywood and and You know he's like charming and he knows like who's like he knows. He's got like butter up Ron perlman but he knows that you know Brooks's the real power behind the throne and Then yeah i mean. I i remembered. Here's the thing. I remember that death scene going on a lot longer. I we stay on until of cranston dis Maybe it's just because that's just how fucking vivid is because there's something about like him. It's like a veterinarian. That's putting a dog to sleep or yelling in the same way that that nazi stabbing the kid The the the machine gunner in the end of saving private ryan by the like you know he's being so gentle and like sh- it's over. It's all this easy like gathered. Just gonna die now and it's okay. There's something about that. It's so that is way more psychopathic than like a guy chopping you up with a chainsaw to me. It there is yeah. It's very strange. It's not empathy and bedside manner will like like you know and then all but but it's i think it's better about it. It's yeah yeah. I mean he's he's right about it right when he says look it's done it's over like that's heartburn. Pain no pain and and he's just cut his entire arm not just his wrist but all the way down. Yeah he's done. There's nothing that can be done about this. It's over like he says it and there is something merciful about doing it that way right because there is no pain. It's not torture. It's just medicinal matter-of-fact thing that he's got to do and it's it's done it's a weird and you contrast that with the with gore that's coming out of his arm right the pools of blood just flowing and there's something very unsettling about that scene and it has. It's the one seen that absolutely stuck with me from this movie For the ten years. It's been since seen it. It's so different from gang-land assassinations like he compare him to like You know Sam l. jackson character from pulp. Fiction's money's pit. You're not talking your ass out of it like just blatant intimidation from the get-go whereas it's like it's the velvet glove killer And it's like rick. And morty made this point delake just sudden death out of nowhere is far more terrifying than something you can kind of see common and like i've get the that's the thing that the death has shocked me or like when like gangs rule. Just come up to someone and it's happened in the head like the idea that you're living your life and then it's lights out and you don't even fucking know it. Your life is over and how fragile it is like you know you're shaken guy's hand and now you're fucking going to bleed out in thirty seconds. It's fucking. I dunno it fox with a but that's the way it so he plays it exactly like a guy in that where he thought he talked himself out. He's crossing the ram he's he's well us going across the rainbow bridge. He's crossing the bridge and he's he's he dies going to lose his life now he's gained his live and now it's over. That reversals. happened in like fifteen seconds jeff. It's amazing that's wild. That's great seen. It also is like i really liked the scene between gosling brooks like again. A fucking gosling has chemistry. Everyone in this movie except for the person who's supposed to both smiling each other and it's the it's kind of like the same smile like when a child comes up and tells you something that's very naive but reich. You know like oh dad. I hope we're always together and you smile like you know. What are you gonna do. So i'm going to die one of these days. Hopefully be you know a lot but it's kind of like there's this smile like when you know he's looking at driver and the driver thinks he's negotiated this stuff and and he's about to be like gosling smiling back in the exact same way Because he knows that this guy is going to try to fuck him and he's gonna fuck him back and there's something to really works well that conversation where they're both looking each other these wolf ish. Grins and only one of them actually knows what the fuck is going on. And it's not the guy you expect. I thought that worked really well. The the big question mark has why doesn't he do the same move to gosling that he has to cranston ri- were cuts his whole arm open instead. He just stabbed him sort of in the gut area and gives driver an opportunity to kill him instead. Which is exactly what happens so yeah i don't know because there's something there again is again. Impressionist kinda rule. A cool this movie. And why were brooks after. He kills cranston. Eases that like straight razor. He cleans that. Ib puts in case and like in my mind that suggests that he selects a knife for each person. He's first of all kills a lotta people. These are the knives eases to do it. Man man that he picked different knife. That and i i don't know maybe it's because i don't know why because i don't and i don't think the movie does either because they suggest that this is some kind of thing Merges for something. That's a killing blow not gut. Yeah although i don't think anything would like yeah like like. This guy is a much older. You know rising ryan gosling can kick his ass like the the deal is he thought he was dealing with the lamb Because he hadn't seen the lion yet and he had he kicked tiger in his ass had no plan to deal with his teeth and claws. And that's what you do short of decapitation. maybe if maybe if you meet cleared the chef knife his neck free times it would have done a while brooks does this guy that takes him out that he can't get a knife right. In right so yeah. He was unprepared for that. While the movie in you know twenty eleven comes out where the knife violence is way way more disturbing and horrific than the gun violence. Yeah and again the gun. Violence include someone's head getting missed Shotgun right no i. I couldn't tell you exactly why that knife seen with cranston is so visceral and sticks with me whereas i totally forgot about the shotgun seen with christina. Andrex didn't do it. But you know. I think another thing that gives this vapor wave got aesthetic. Even though it doesn't earn it is the soundtrack for shazier airy synth heavy that real hero night call. That shit is the beat. Like it's the beating heart of this movie. And like i said. I guess you call me a hater of this movie. I'm not a really a hater. I guess i'm a cold admire of this cold bloodless movie but like the soundtrack olmos gets me all the way on the border. Just being. I just fucking works for me. Honestly god if you had. I think you take any other replacement actor. And you slaughter into kerry or not carry it. yeah carey mulligan's role and this movie just works for me if anybody that like i bought the on site you just like or they. I don't know like you can have a needs a backstory. His mom was a single mom. The rate something like it makes me think that like he identified and could see himself as like this missing puzzle piece and this thing right away and they don't really do that. In fact like the movie sets more. Chemistry between oscar isaac and carey mulligan than. It does with with gosling here like when he's a coming home party in tells us the meet cute about you know like i said many standard. She's like what's the deal. I like that. She's got those kind of slow smile as he's telling the story like i didn't feel any of that stuff with the gosling. I got a suggestion for you. You just swap. Carey mulligan and christina hendricks in this movie and. I think it's that relationship is twice as good interesting to see that because like interesting hendrix wasn't given me that but yeah i mean she i. I've seen her chemistry with a lot of people. Yeah but if they make urge us make googly eyes and smile sheepishly at him. But it's not going to do much for him so like yeah. I needed some some winds from the characters. Well i also so there's another big question mark ahead about that scene where they're driving the la river. And i'm like okay. Well this is like oh. He's a stunt driver. And he's doing the grease shit and knows where filled t then they drive the narnia. I'm like does the actual. La river in nature sanctuary. that's dislike beautiful and pristine and unpolluted in like may maybe the he that thing expands. Hundreds of miles certainly has to in there not not. It's not sure enough that he could drive it in one day. I don't think like back and forth ended the concrete tunnel and it just turns into nature. I don't know but it felt like a fairy tale. And i even put that in my notes is like this. Seems like a fairytale sequence. And then i read an interview where he had the idea to make this movie after he'd read grimm's fairytales and he was looking to make kind of like a modern fable with la kind of like the dark forest. And that's that these characters inhabits and all that stuff. And i'm like okay. I didn't get in. I guess i see that a little a little bit Boy he'd really have to hand old me through this movie telling me like you see here this building here. This is a big tree. And i know i can see 'cause like he did There's also he did wolf. Obviously this thing has set in twenty ten. La but lake aesthetically. It's like all the the the cars and the well without the delay models. Chevy impalas late model chevy impala both the cars and the clothing and the musical cues are suggesting the eighties And he also the way he filmed. La like you. There's there's a lot of new modern millennial architecture in l. a. downtown put a mild the but they never show that all of the locations they picked. Were supposed to be like old school. More classically rundown l. a. And the only time you see that stuff is at a distance like there's a couple of nighttime helicopter shots that i thought made. La look like bladerunner version of l. a. various so. I kinda got the dark forest aesthetic. That decent people can get lost in. You know which is popping up here and there giants and werewolves and monsters and stuff. I i i kind of get a little bit. I see where he's going. Why does he get lost. I i wish. I knew more about the character driver because is pretty much a 'nigma throughout this entire movie. We don't understand why he came to. La looking for work in shannon's garage. We may be understand that. Although i can't tell if shannon is joking with i don't even know that. That's that's a real backstory to him right when he comes the garage and he says i got paid him half what i pay my normal workers. Don't tell him. I've been taking advantage of them the whole time. Some of that element is true because he's got mixed up in all these schemes right. But i don't know if he was mixed up in criminal schemes before he came to la. And maybe that's why he came to l. a. or or where he's headed at the end of this season a 'nigma the entire time also tracks like what the the bill on your point with cranston when brooks's town his relationship with them. He says the guy this guy used to charge twice as much used overcharge me all the time but i didn't care 'cause i liked him and then he tried that shit with nico nico broke his pelvis. Select i. it's it's in this guy's character that he does kinda take advantage of the margins and even when there's this he's got this fast talking i said okay kid they want you to roll card and i got. I got double your rate. Of course course. We're split that fifty fifty. It's like what what the fuck you get this. Take half of the danger money because you negotiated it for me. And he's also getting squeezed from the stunt side right. There is a couple lines in there. About how hollywood like wants to pay you. Want to skip out on the bills for selling they. Don't push me building a stunt car. And then they you know blow they blow it up in a day of shooting and it gets cut and edit the first week editing and then probably wanna stiff you imagine right right so you can feel the squeeze from all sides in this and he's doing he's perpetuating that doing it to other people. It's confusing but like the driver. Seems like strangely outside of it all i. I don't know where he intersects with life honestly. Yeah there's a lot of where. I felt like the stylishness of the film caused lake. When he's in that one scene where he's threatened to beat the guy to death with a hammer is like whole body is convulsing with the i. Guess you're supposed to understand a furious coursing through his veins like it's such a grounded performance until then that it felt like i again. I think maybe he's trying to tran- trying to sell this physical transformation into a monster laying you know like This isn't how he's with carried isn't what the how he's like with benicio But some of it was so outlandish. That i'm like i like okay. Who is this guy like. Is this guy a cool customer. Who's his whose pulse doesn't raise the most dangerous situation. Or is he the guy that has a flight or fight response so strong. He can't have a conversation when he's angry or charge. Vines with whole bodies not shaking like that's two completely different characterizations. You're trying to the draw here. It's like brad pitt. In ad astra you know halfway through. The movie has a scenery shaking with rage. And as far as i. What the fuck like. I don't know it felt felt very It was in there because it was cool and it was. It was part of the story that he's wanting to tell but it also undermined the characterization. But he didn't care because the the stylishness what was important for the film. And maybe that's the good instinct is again so it's got ninety. Five percent on rotten tomatoes won oscars. Like i i. I'm definitely in the minority Not getting this film on an emotional level. I do wonder though. Do you think this is the first time that he's been involved in something that has either or is even approaching this hundred percent do his job. You're smooth. I think well they're not smooth. It doesn't affect him because obviously one driver like intimates that like they had a drive. Go terribly or that one guy had the meats and the calf any threatens like i go from that that they had a drive. That went disastrously bad. But like it in fuck with ryan you know. It didn't fuck with goslings. See i thought they hired somebody else to drive them and it went disastrously bad and got the his buddy jail or whatever Okay trying to hire him back. I see 'cause i we should've used us kind of the we use the second rated highest guy. I've craigslist. maybe. I mean i feel like i misinterpreted a couple of key scenes. Here i how to get handle on. I might have misinterpreted though who knows. You said it won awards. It was nominated for an academy award. It did win some awards. But noah catholic one best or like. I thought it did win. Some academy awards seeing best sound editing was nominated and i don't believe it one All right. I'm not sure what it was up against me see. Hugo took it that year apparently for best sound editing. 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The non entry extra because that was also a plot and justified. Like run corrupt crooked. Dentist one the retired a believes in. That's why i'm not sure but creates y- guy fleeing to mexico believes he said alaska finished enough data visa data trifecta. Right right another thing during this car. Chase the final car chase where passes right. And they're trying to ram him off the road after the highest he does this maneuver where he spins the car around. And he's in. What i presume of rear wheel drive mustang. At the time and he just kind of spins it around goes in reverse it spins back around and causes them to crash. I did not understand the dynamics of that chase. At all i didn't. I didn't know why spinning the car around helped him. In any way something handling maybe. I i really don't know there's i don't know that your time at the one where he is doing the rockford essentially transition from front i. I don't know like is that like just required. You have to put that into a car chase movie. i suppose. Flip from reverse defy the forward. Because i can't think of a single car chase that doesn't fee right. Yeah he might be right. It didn't seem to give them a tactical advantage. I don't know why he did it. But whatever and then. I guess the last thing is thinking about movie stunts and how they're perform nowadays and a lot of it is cg but there's still a lot of vena traditional-style work done now. My question is i've seen mythbusters. I've seen Grant imahara rig up a whole bunch of like is it. What amounts to vehicular drones for cars trucks and all sorts of things. Do we need drivers anymore. Or can we just have essentially a virtual. Yeah remote biscuit rig and just do this shit without people in the car put you know. Put the dummy in the car and just remote control it. I mean. I don't know how much of that especially because like this level of driving. If you're talking about just you know driving a two people talking to each other in a car. Having a conversation sure But like yeah. Like i don't know like on this. Yeah but like. You're going to akers in the car right or you're talking about tha i specifically the crashes like. I don't know why you would put a human being in a car nowadays if you your intention was to crash the car a year brian with like self driving cars are not the same thing Self stunting cars. But like i only thing. I can think of is like if your time editor remote controlled and like you. Don't feel the the tires break traction. so you know. When the begin you know counter steer and things like that and he can't feel like the g. forces and whatnot but if you actually had ai driving it where it's like. Hey i need you up onto wheels like they. I try you know. Computer could probably keep a car on two wheels for as long as you need it to whatever speed you ought to. You know because it can just make so many more but like if it's this remote control probably you want to in the car. It's a programming and to do things have seen. I've seen people who can do very impressive stuff with our c. disres- c. Quad copters and this is true. All kinds of things. I don't know that it would be impossible. It might be harder. I agree like being in. The car is probably get that. Feel seeing it up. I think that's what they're stunned. Drivers union says you don't have to feed. I gotta i gotta feel the steering wheel trimble man. I got the rubber contraction. Man probably say the brake fade. They've got a study on average. It takes a remote driver. Twenty five takes to get a shot. I can do in. I've always done into like true. By the time you get the the servers reset. I'm already strapped into the five point number ready to go right. I'm strapped into the new car. What do you want to waste. Twenty five impalas. My can i get you there too. Exactly which means we're probably twenty years away rather than five years away from a half jazz. But that's about all i say about dr. I still like this movie. E even though i think you're right it's mostly it's feel it's looking feel that does it for me as opposed to like substance but i said this movie is she even if i don't like it For what it is. It's hugely influential because again. I don't think we have john wick. We have fury road Certainly my baby driver without this movie like this movie says there is an appetite for a slick. Stylish action fee thrill thriller that's low on characterization and plotting and it just is like straight to the fucking point ninety minutes later. Maybe maybe this is ninety ninety seven minutes. It's it's not. It's not a long film. And like i said it's hugely influential in terms of style. Like did it. This was a big part of the vapor wave renaissance. it's undeniable the influence of had. Even though i don't necessarily like it but you know you can say the same thing about the first star wars like look at the stilted dialogue characters within you know like it's just special effects and style l. Faulk yeah it it did that. But look at the influence its ad so it's ten years on Like it's still leaves me cold. it's still doesn't You get its hooks me like i can tell it gets into a lot of people but i definitely respect what it's doing even. It's not if it's not my taste. I respect was doing. I think it's mostly successful at trying to do those things it's just for me. The lead chemistry is this movie's achilles heel or cranston's wrists and it just so weak point that it can it can be attacked All right we we actually recording a bunch of these in in advanced give us little time for some scheduling issues. We're going to be facing in in the coming weeks. So i'm not exactly sure what is going to happen next. I just know that there will be assured the sunsets another prestige film in your feed. Next week i hope you enjoy it. And i'll be enjoyed this talk about Ten years on with the drive. We'll see on the next one. Until then i mehran and jay later.

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Promising Young Woman

The Cinema Guys

36:55 min | 11 months ago

Promising Young Woman

"Brad. I'm just in. And i am the senate in. We're just three friends. Quarantined channing movies. We are the cinema guys. Welcome to the show. Hey welcome to another episode of cinema guy. This is your first time in. Welcome to the wild and crazy. Show that we deal sound so wild. And if you're a returning for another episode we love him. I doubt whoever's listening clicked on it because they recognize the name of the movie so they must be the be longtime listeners. Or just rando aloe never heard of that movie. Just my lead in justin to let everybody know what we're doing this week. Is that what you're telling me. Yeah yeah yeah. I'm sure if you clicked on. He saw the title. We are going to talk promising. Young woman knew of starting starring carey mulligan. We're gonna have a top this on revenge films and we always end with at home recommendations so i know just you just said it might be a movie that people may not have heard of is a movie. That has actually gotten very positive. Buzz as it's getting ready to come positive buzz from i mean it's rotten tomatoes score right now ninety one percent. Yeah how many people do you know. Besides you who really go. Let me check around demands for watch this movie. That's interesting poll. They you should ask on the twitter's like hey how many of you actually go to run and not just go to it. Maybe we'll check it out to sea. But how many people does that actually sway their opinion. Or whether they they're gonna see a movie that that. I would be curious for because i will look just to see what a score is. But it's not going to sway me one way or another. Whether i'm gonna watch the movie they were my get through movie. You guys gonna podcast about tonight is out now. I know it's called. What is the name of this movie. He decided a promising young woman. Young woman but i like that. I kept forgetting the name and then i had to say about like. I couldn't tell them what it was about because their gives as a girl. Daisy buchanan has really fallen from grace from great gatsby. The girl that's the actress is is daisy. Though yeah gasping his good it has a ninety one percent off of ninety one reviews. These are like actual critic reviews. This is ninety. One percent of critics not just heated. Fatman forget them. Let's bring back around and we're going to jump into top this all right so this week's top. This as i said at the beginning we are going to give our top three revenge films. Top event films off a where round robin it like. We always do number one in no particular order for now. This one's in particular order because movie of all time it is empire records. I consider it a revenge film. Dan the man save the empire fan. Who's who's getting the man who the man who's the the big. The big corporation is fighting the little corporation in the music town. I do not consider that revenge film. I don't like mentioned here late. Film but okay record. We will not count that as revenge felman. There has to be an element of revenge for what they did. I don't get the plot of the film. It's not like the may-maybe in film reason. So they the man saved the empire. Yes stole the money in the beginning to help save his friends right. But that's not really a revenge attack as much as an act of kindness and compassion. And it's not a compassion. He's taking revenge against the rations. I will not count to get this out of here. I don't think they will allow dancing. Music town ashley. And they said something about revealing clothing are adjusted. What is one of your revenge. I guess i like all of these different. I'm gonna go with john wit. How is that revenge literally. Something happens in the beginning in the beginning w getting back for killing his dog. It's very revenge. Thank you is yes. I like any sort of elm where they mentioned a person's name and everyone's like terrified and that's how it is john one week what i love that i love it love and it's canada and i love. I do love all the memes of kiana pencil. Now it's one of my favorite things to come out of john wick. He's like hey. Can i borrow a pencil. I really sorry that. I hurt your feelings john wick was going to be my number three. But i'm gonna move. I have four listed. So i'm going to just take strike that one and move one up going to say the biggest historical movie of all time. This is my number gladiator. That's online lists my number three revenge. Film is that considered a revenge film. Yes again something really bad happens to the beginning in the rest of the film regain revenge coming back to all right. That's my number three. Pick well my number two. The gladiator was all my number. That's my first movie that i've chosen for revenge and she's gonna wait till we say our lafayette's exact number one is my wanted to john waking. Gladiator you're one two or your read was gladiator. My next one is kill. Bill kill bill. I figured you'd put on them all right. My my did braille bigler. Any other sides glare the historical record record one was stricken from the record. So what was your next one. My next one in john wick meghan dorsey and the wizard of oz show. I'm going to go with. How blade thoroughly make you right now. He's looking around the room about food grueling eventually lorraine wardrobe plates revenge. Jesse's fires okay. Okay okay okay okay okay. Okay lee for out their revenge of the nerds the titles in the title. What's that one with cameron diaz and and the one woman from forty year old virgin and they like they're all dating the same guy into the whole movie is like preventing him. Oh actually that is a good one. I liked that movie The other woman. It's a good movie. Yeah i did i did. I found one. No one good free. We have gladiator and the other woman could for me. Yeah 'cause you could go romcom. Lot rom coms revenging. Yeah yeah yeah. All right john and so. I already have mine wanted to. What's your to. Did you say your tail. Yeah i had gladiator and then kill bill. He'll bills right all right so my number one is old. It's actually the first movie. I thought of when he said this category It's called hard to kill. Its with steven seagal. The kind where they like him they shoot him in his bed and then he's in a coma for like eight years in comes out the come with a beard and goes back gets all the guy shaves the beard off he gets the hair slicked back and ms like a workout. Montage bill muscle back yup. He's back at it man. That's a. that's a good revenge film justin. Well send you did three of them you know i had to do is actually think what revenge and then apply it to them. Full by number one is also probably one of my favorite comic book films for sure is the crow crow within a cruise. More raven ish to me another movie completely set around revenge. Yeah arose was in that movie right. Yes no that's the coal is initially. My last one is definitely around com. Are you ready. It's possibly one of the greatest or you're making it up right now need girls. Oh there you go take revenge more more applause more more. Oh yeah that's a great really decent like funny quotes from the movie. Good john thanks guys. Okay we're trying to make happen. I love that my favorite line is. Why are you so obsessed with me. Yeah that's it. Congratulations to us. We did it really. Really hard for me improv. Minute with ashley. He's making things up on the smug do i think we should do a topless you. Just don't tell me what it is beforehand. And then i had to come up with on the spot or because you're real good at it. I understand preventive as though anyone listening if they want to give us a top this idea. They could become a patron of the show patriot dot com slash cinema guys. They could give us one to. What's next brand well next. Let s talk about promising young woman. My assistant tells me that you're interested in resuming. That school. I left under unusual circumstances. You remember the accusations made against alexander monro. He took a girl back to his room or fill. We accusations like this all the time. He's chief at the jewish. In what would you have me. Do ruin a young man's life reported to so as we always do. When we talk movies we do spoil the films or as we like to call them ruins z's who coined that it was one of you to i don't remember. I thought it was me me nicole. Men always try to take read it. I wouldn't do. I wouldn't say ruins. These is great credit. But i mean he's time before we get into the ruins as we will give our letterbox star rating out of five quick thoughts before jump into the movie. Or i asked jurado two. Oh two not as bad as a one. Because i like daisy buchanan. But there's a lot of great actors in this game. I just feel like they went too far. And that's it that's it. that's that's all. I have later. Because i'm interested in your perspective as a female justin. What did you give it gave it. A two and one half and i the have came from. Even though i didn't love this movie that have the actors were really good and it was like a was a only film i. It wasn't the wasn't that it was such a bad movie that i didn't like it. I didn't like it because it really didn't agree with its message. That's why i went up to the half. Because i i don't like the methodist fine message. Maybe it wasn't for me. Which is a question i have for you ashley. Once we get into this for me. I think i may of enjoyed it not overall more than you guys. I gave it a three and a half. Most of that score was for carey mulligan's performance. I thought she was fantastic in the movie as harley quinn as harley quinn daisy is great i don't know who daisy buchanan is. Cutting be you uneducated. I've never seen it or read it. She's not in a book. Fishing is the reason the greek memorandum read either. I think i had to read it in high school anyway. Like i enjoyed the movie up to a point and it kind of dropped down a little bit for me. But like i said. Most of it is carey mulligan's performance. I thought it was a really well done movie and there are a lot of it. I wished it would have gone a little more and one way than another so once we kinda dig into ruining it all right. Let's do it. Which from henceforth we will be digging into the ruins ease of the movie so we will give things away so if you haven't seen it please go away. Comes out christmas day in the theaters. And i know for a fact. Our friends the esquire theatre will be playing it so head down there and you can go check it out all right. Let's talk about it. Let's go the first thing is it's gonna comedy. It was that money not that has to be funny but it didn't seem like a comedy at all. I usually associated comedy that funding us some comedies. Like a dark comedy or so inconsiderate. Dark comedy it was kind of like it had a serious message And it had real tragic characters. I felt it was more more. Had more comedic element to it in the beginning of the may more so because that's my thing if the the whole movie was the opening scene. Hey i'm gonna do this and i'm going to maliciously like if it was a horror film. I'm going to kill these guys. Then that would have been funny. I actually would have liked doug. Jerry was i thought she was killing them and then i was disappointed when i found out she wasn't you immediately didn't realize that she wasn't or just i the first thing i thought she killed that dude. She had blood all over. Yeah definitely alluded to that. Well it wasn't. It wasn't blood but they looted at first until the the camera panned up and saw that she was just what she was eating and she was dripping on herself. That was a ruse. The cover up the blood. You know 'cause then later on when she lost cause later on when she goes to. Adam brody's friend. Who was there with him and he he was like the guy said. You're the one that he told me about your name. So i didn't know his name either also she should have been killing them. If you're gonna make this a funny sad movie then it then goes into this woman who has stopped living right so she has not ceased thirty and the copy shop scene is actually funny. It's one thing really. Don't why we're gonna coffee shops. Till i was thirty. And we're hearing coffee shop. So i i gotta. I'm thirty two currently work in a coffee shop but they go into which she stopped. Living for life has been broken since college win. This very tragic thing happened. So the question is why was only. That's real. that happens if evil man. Now something tragic in your life kind of stops and you don't know how to pick up the pieces. I was digging that message and it did something. The scene in the film that i really i wouldn't say liked but kind of liked is her go into the dean's office for readmission. Okay yeah i know. She didn't really want to be readmitted. Re admitted he didn't and i liked that. She played that game with her in the reasoning of. Oh we don't want to ruin these. Poor boys lies is the is used in real life number one and also number. Two is the stupidest thing i have ever heard like. We don't think that maybe that poor girl is going to be ruined for the rest of her life. Psychologically obviously what. It's all those kinds of comments at so. Afl this news very on the nose. All right we get her. No that was the only one that i felt was justified. Because i feel like that was a very very real life thing that happened. Not these like her way bars and do like like that. That scene belonged in a different movie. Not this one. That scene reminded me of the. You know the douchebag and stanford that got off you know six months for doing this and bryce bryce. I don't remember as his boys will be boys in it it just. I'm sorry as that. I know will watch girl get raped. The thing is like it. obviously it does happen in. That's what a lot of these you aid al but boys will be boys or you know we don't want to ruin this poor boy's life like okay. What about seventy right anyway. I don't think that seem allowed to that movie. I be 'cause i don't wanna diminish The fact that these things do happen the fact that men are really would take advantage of drunk girl. i'll hundred. These are all real things. One i did not like is that the movie posed her as a hero host her as doing something good when really. She was not I've i mean violence with violence isn't the answer What she. I don't care that she was. That's why it's like a horror movie killing these guys. It's kinda funny. You're making your point with a bombastic sort of way with this. I'm like oh where you're just because you're so broken in stuck you can do. It's that broken. People hurt people hurt. People hurt people hervey. Alright you're just hurting others with no healing in any degree like there's so that's why i didn't like that. There was no healing element And and in the end her like stupid act again. Those guys were horrible. They deserve whatever. I don't care about them as much as like where. She's done a hero in their suit. Tragic character who never received any healing mainly a lot of it was good for parents. Were idiots parents. Weren't good at helping her through this. Her friends weren't good helping her for this for everyone else seemed to have moved on as well as my thing. Maybe what i missing. Which was actually is witnessing this events your friend getting raped or whatever she didn't witness it though or you were here knowing about it wouldn't is it that raja that man i i i couldn't get over. You couldn't get over this. Like and i have two am just gonna ruin the rest of my life you think. Well i think that one need to take into account who that person is. So i would have a different personality than let's say this woman so maybe something like this could affect her that much. I don't think that that's has wildly unrealistic. As i think you're thinking for me. I don't know that i would go to that extent but i would probably become which i think is a really messed up thing that you have to experience something really horrible close to you before you really become an advocate or activists around it but i think that if i if one of my best friends or my best friend would something like. That happened to her. I think that it would kind of make me more passionate about it but to have it affect them this way. I think that depends on who you are and how you reacted to traumatic situations and how you react to people around you. That have a trauma. So i think it depends on each person. I don't think it's easy to say. It wouldn't would never react this way and i think the way that you react as completely insane no i. That is not my point. My point is. I didn't like the way the film was set up. You're telling me it's a comedy and you wanna make a funny have or kill these people instead of like just taking them home in mclean. Seo address it started to a little bit through that professor and that's really deeply traumatic event for these boys even the ones who have like allows a dumb dumb college give which we were on dumb high. School gives them college kids all of us. We did dumpings not that. That's ever acceptable or excusable. But like i'm sure they had trump like obviously. The main guy had some severe trauma as she brought out of him. Well the in in the ed room to make her kill make him kill her like and so there just it was a movie presented zero solution. Zero four is such a serious problem. I'm calling out something serious. We're talk about it seriously. Yeah it's not. it's not silly. So i'm gonna offer zero solutions because the solution isn't violence the solution. Isn't this dumb almost reminded me of being girls like tape. I'm gonna send everyone in like a book in all of this. This is silly. And not. Like i don't know so i guess it was a movie that wanted to take a message seriously but failed to deliver fears message and so therefore it was not also accommodated. They'd be like okay there so just it was kinda nothing. Thought they're making wasted efforts. There was no violence from her until the now like and that's never killed never horror movie. She never the crap out of them though man. I don't think she was ever violent towards them. She wanted even even with the girl from school. Allison brie played. I mean she. She got her drunk and set her up to make. It seem like some other guy like she. She did the same thing. That's horrible and that is violent action. Man that's going gonna hurt that woman for the rest of her life. Yeah like it's it's hard. It's a hard action. It's not like seen this right or year for what she did pretty sure there is physical violence the first guy. She was like kicking the crap out of him and his face. That's that's pretty violent when you kick some space. Did she kick his face. I don't remember that. Yeah well i mean. His face was down there kicking range which is horrible too. I mean he deserved to be kicked. I'm not saying that. But i think i'm pretty sure i got the impression she was see. I thought she was completely nonviolent if it to they actually tried something she did something violent to them and if they didn't then she just made a fool of them so like the nerdy guy. She made a fool of see at least tried to get her to wake back up but the guys who did not do that i was pretty sure physical island and i. I never got any violence from her until the end where she's got in with a baseball bat he was violent. See i i never got and see. The the point is we were. I think we were expecting a like happy. Death day. Esque horror comedy where you see like over the top kind of violence. That is just stupid for but having this flare of women's rights issues in there and also to be fair. Yes it to justice point earlier there. That boy does have trauma and that also doesn't take into account that sometimes these things happen to men to and they're not just women disproportionately. It happens to women more than men but sometimes they have the same kind of trauma but more and more often than not. I feel that women. It's always on the women like well. You shouldn't have got drunker this wouldn't have happened or onto this party. you know. Maybe this wouldn't have happened to you if you wouldn't have done this or if you wouldn't have done this. One hundred percent society always leans towards. Well you know the boys will be boys type of thing in it. I don't think that that's what the conversation is here. Though i think the conversation is trauma is trauma trauma happens. This movie was saying it was. It was a comedy horror. It was not comedy and it was not horror. It was poorly done comedy horror the way it started out. I thought it was going to kinda lean right that dark comedy because it kind of felt like that but then the one guy comes to the coffee shop you know the eventually becomes like the boyfriend and you think okay. This is. This is going to change her. You know things are changing to where you know. I don't need to do this. Wanna keep doing and then you find out that he was there that night of you know when it happened to a friend it. I don't know if it was like the if she had planned this all along or of that she was. I don't know if the switch flipped it in her again to be like. Oh well i can't get close to someone because of this and then now i don't think that happened. I think that something when she was told to move on is when she was like all right. I'm doing it. I'm gonna go for it i'm gonna move on. I'm going to get it over with him. move on. I think that the reason this movie did not land with me is because i feel like it was a lack of commitment to the bit like comedians. You have to commit to the right justin and so like they wanted to. They wanted to make this movie. That was about this issue women's rights issue and instead of committing to doing the overtop thing that makes a statement. They did like a toe into it. Why an if the goal was to sort of rate for me to walk away going like man dies the horrible thing that santa make sure. That's not part of my life or blah blah. They didn't do that they. It wasn't fruitvale station where i walked away going. What is our world doing with. It's this is crazy. It was more like an i know. That's an issue. But i'll seek somewhere else to look into this issue. Do not anything. I'm gathering from the still. I still think he kinda hit on the issue. Like i hit on the issue but it didn't dry initially news. It's on the issue. You you told him greg xactly. You didn't tell me anything else about the situation like so you mentioned those guys so i was thinking the whole time like okay. Yeah this does happen. Doesn't that's crazy. Guys are jerks. The guys in the bars bars aren't safest place for women. that's not. yeah you know great now. I heard that many girls go to gay bars. Because they know that they won't be victims of crimes there as much fun fact Have you seen that The signs everywhere. Like if you go to a bar in your woman yeah. There is a name you valley. No it's actually different for a lot of different bars in the bathroom where it says like if you need some things to ask for this drinker. Say this day for this part for sally. The different every far so that guys can't catch onto it names surly. Yeah so those are where the conversations going to you. i'm just saying overall. I think we all agree that it had potential correct. It just didn't go where we wanted it to go. That intro happy. Yeah like the intro. With her eating and then with the The construction workers were there like putin and she just she just staring at him. Dead stared. I was like yes. Stare at them. I did that. That was like yes. I wonder hers laughed. I want her to be nuts. I agree. I wanted to go like american psycho type of crazy. That's what they needed to do needed to go absolutely crazy. Not this like vanilla crazy. 'cause they set it up for that to happen at the end. Were dressed up like the nurse in their. They play the the violin really slow version of britney spears toxic as. She's like going to this party. I'm like okay now now. it's on but even then like you're like oh like these guys ultimately most of them were still the same like you said the the main guy. He seemed like he was like you know he's getting ready to get married. This is not. He made some mistakes and that death scene was so long in serious rows like man. He is really Bay really concentrate on the fact that he is slowly slowly suffocating. Her which showed me like. Oh this isn't this some crazy guy. This is a guy who broken in hurt too but what they all need. It was in diesels eighties. I'm all about love and grief therapy erase and love and some just general didn't obligations skills. He's talking about things guys talk about. We don't set you up at a bar stage of a fake rape. No no no. We just have conversation. Maybe that gets us little further with our old friend. Not school i actually. Maybe it was. The study. didn't like her. The main character wet man. What a great cast. I love it nails reason. I really like yeah except to listen. But i liked her. If it would've gone a little further. I think it would have nailed it. But they didn't commit and the end was reminded me of like a teen drama individuals like a highschool movie than that would have been more. That would have made more sense to me but because they're all thirty. This house thirty year olds act and it was the way it kind of all wrapped up after they killed her like she had planned it all out with these little pre sent text messages and all kinds other stuff other. Here's a good question. Given no circumstance we relate to the movie at all our friend of yours. Best brand accidentally kill someone. Would you help them over it and not That has rape or something like that. Just they kills a mind with an accident and would you help them covered. I'm a terrible friend now. I wouldn't like you. Have you seen the movie very bad things. I would probably be like those guys where you're just like yeah i would. I probably would probably would too. I don't think my anxiety can be like. Is there a way we could get like is our way we could come clean and be okay. Oh really try process that for a little bit. If i really thought that it wouldn't happen. And i really thought well we could probably get rid of this. I probably would. You'd be a good friend though. Man can't be like no. Hey justin he just as we are very mixed on this. And i will say if you've seen promising young woman good aware the cinema guys dot com and you can contest. Let us know what you thought of it. And so weird name for the phone. Well she was like her friend a promising young woman. She was the tougher classes a doctor and she was going to be like you know a promising woman in the this in her life was destroyed. All right. let's move on to at home recommendations Ashley any at home recommendations for this week is something you should not watch. What's up prom really eight. Somebody today recommended that to criticize it. Have you is watch problems really good. You're not just symbol hate it. it's a musical. I'm really exciting. You're taking me with jason. Who hates musicals. You're right i am. jason biggs. Were two different people men. I'm really excited to see prom. I really wanted to see it. It sucks absolutely terrible. James corden with an american accent. No there's a meryl streep good. I mean she's always good. It's a terrible movie all right. Hey great show me either. So there's that i really. I didn't mind an eye criterion greatest show. We loved it. You'd like right with ephron was like awesome. I love tachira. Daffron does everything including saying to stand outside with my toes in the crafts to make myself get over jet like brad anything else. Okay now. i've been watching leah. Remini scientology obsessively. It's so good. I haven't watched too much recently. I've been getting through letterkenny because the new season starts next week in mandalorian of course The one movie. I would definitely recommend to rent is freaky ricky. I knew that that was gonna be a mile less freaky. It's so good vince. Vaughn is a teenage girl is hilarious. Oh yeah it's good. It's i said this to brad. That i think right now. Horror films are the most creative films like they are really being. I thought this was such a creative idea. Like oh take a classic trope in the again you made a different I wanna see another happy death day if we're talking about horror oh is coming You should watch freaky reminds have all right. Got some pretty. It's got some pretty gruesome murder. Some of them are especially in the beginning that no data director said that freaky takes place in the same universe as happy birthday. Yeah because it's the same director so it's really good wasn't you took that one. I will say. I loved tenant i love tenant and i loved your mentioned this couple of weeks ago but the star wars holiday was hilarious illegal on. Yeah yeah it was really funny. It really great. Actually you would actually like it. There's so many star wars jokes in it. I oh okay i get. I didn't want to. I just had the kids watch. This and i was like i liked it way more than me. Because they didn't get half the starrewards it has a lot of Fan service jokes in it for on stop outburst kind of jokes. Yeah that will do it for another episode of the cinema guys. A one say that we will be back after the new year. We are taking off through the holidays so everyone have a happy holiday and happy new year we will be back in twenty twenty one with a new episode until next time. Maybe we will see you at the movies eventually over Here this fair near near l. john you do.

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WandaVision & Promising Young Woman

The Nix

45:25 min | 9 months ago

WandaVision & Promising Young Woman

"Welcome to the knicks where we talk about pop culture until he can't stand it anymore. We knicks it. I'm justin her tongue. And i'm anne darlene. Always a quick warning. There might be spoilers for anything. We talk about on this podcast but we always do our best to let you know that they're coming this week. We have a new president and new movies and tv. Talk about specifically we're talking about one vision marvel's first foray into mcu television and the much discuss new movie promising young woman. Let's get into our main topic We're gonna talk about promising young woman which is new movie. It's currently available to rent if you want to drop twenty bucks on it Carey mulligan plays cassie. Who seeking justice and revenge for sexual assault of college friend. It's written and directed directed by emerald fennell. And i'm like oh sorry emerald. It's just there's a lot of ways you could say that and also stars a kesse familiar faces. Including allison brie jennifer coolidge connie britton laverne cox. Max green feld strangely. They ve bash from glow and all over the place bo. Burnham everybody everybody's in this cast yup non spoilers. I just a quick check in justin. Is this worth watching. So i'd heard so much about this movie that i really love and respect love debts and got me really jazzy. I thought the preview looked super engaging great. And i don't think i don't think this is a bad movie like definitely not. I think there's some some good things talk about which i won't get into the further rico in new it but i don't know this movie really knew what it was like. It just totally did not work for me. In the way that i was wanting to or kind of expecting it to just get i think what i get at the heart of it. That was powerful especially by the end. And we'll talk about later but it that sort of grief and rage so much that has to do with just carry mulligan's performance she's just carey. Mulligan is a wonder so good nets. And i think it really. Does you know not. This is a new thing. But it's also something berry. Repeating is the creepy. Nice guys. Oftener the worst. I think it does a really good job of kind of exploring that dynamic. But i just about fifteen minutes into it. I turned dave was like this should either be like crazy john waters movie or it should be something more thoughtful but it's landing somewhere in the middle. I don't really know what it's doing. So that's it. what about you. Okay early non spoiler thoughts just it was much more mundane but i thought it was gonna be like you said not thoughtful and i just kept thinking. This is this is it. This is like no not that. There's not that much there. I can kind of tell you where it's going and i expected it because of the early hype and and all of that to be more than it was and it was really trying to sell you on the fact that it was more than it was. It did long lingering shots of desserts and people chewing on twizzlers and it really really thought it was way arts here and important and impactful than it was hitting me carey mulligan's great. Everybody in this movie is good. They're all giving truly believable and lived in performances. But i i just didn't get the impact you know agree especially for as much as it could have been interesting and especially with the ending that will get into When we get into spoilers it it could have been great and that was kind of hard. It wasn't a first time. Emerald fennell has basically done some tv writing including up with the show that i'm on my god. What's the show with the to the assassin and the detective. That's trying to track her down. Yes killing eve. That's the name of it. Thank you look. We're playing heads up only adjusted and fanny version. it was. She was one of the writers on the second season. I believe that show and it it tracks when it started to go downhill and it tracks in that way of like that. Show when it's at its worst is sort of like i'm being titillating but i also care about these characters but in kind of just a middle ground. Tv sort of way. I i felt some of the tv vibes in this. I get it had kind of movie kinda stylish aspirations in the twizzlers and those kind of scenes and but it didn't it didn't really land. Mulligan had great nails rate wigs. I she looked fabulous this movie and nailed the performance. I thought gee was great. Burnham was great I thought was really good to us. Really good alison breeze. Always on point. I mean she's never bad. Connie britton laverne cox. I wanted more of her. She was fun she was really fun. Clancy brown and jennifer coolidge as carey. Mulligan's parents were fine. I mean this is worth watching just for the performances. Just stay like maybe don't read anything. I expect anything or if you haven't heard anything about this movie you might really enjoy. Yeah like if. I win. In as blind as i think you need to go into to have this movie hit you and even that's going to be too much for somebody listening to the podcast just sat down to nothing about it. Hadn't seen the trailer hadn't heard a good goddamn thing. I might have had a very different reaction. Yeah waiting for a twist. I was waiting for it to be impactful. I was waiting for something. you know. it's like when the punt of the title but it's like when they say a promising first feature does feel like that. And i will see what this person does next i. It was well written. It was well plotted the pacing. I had some issues with but it was. Well plotted you know it. It laid it's eastern. You know it late. It's outline well and and set up for everything was expected and yet had you know still had nuances of. Maybe i didn't see that part coming. You know i. It had good bones but it just fell short. Should we get into spoilers. We talk about that. And let's talk about that. Index one crazy candy-colored nail to kindergarten. Three kenny colored nails the ending of this movie. I will say it did. I did not see that coming. I really was like kind of shocked by it. Definitely he when he put the pillow over her face. I thought okay now her planning it. I very much did not see that coming. And i was impressed with that. But the minute starts to put his you know they. There's even a line in the dialogue about it. It was so much that you killed a girl on your Your bachelor party. What is this a nineties. Movie in this meta commentary but also you are just the peterberg movie about christian slater in his friends that kill the very bad things. Whatever the bucket was there was like a bunch of movies. That were we kind of accommodate with cute guys. But we're also dark and somebody dies and super genetic and means good for you for noticing what you are. But that's what you are now. The fact that she planned it. I don't know if that makes it any better. Well i also feel like partly the thing that i had connected with. The movie was her kind of grief and anger and then just having her die and even if she gets sort of revenge on the grave in this very weary comical final wedding seem sort of feels like this is kind of a downer and not an interesting way like what what were they trying to say what that ending right. I did like being twists conundrum. She left bo burnham in in the he's basically got clean hands. You know what i mean. He's not going to go but and he's basically a nice guy who has basically grown up but now you're gonna think you're thinking about this forever and so that is actually a nice little piece of revenge. They're also so crazy that he directed The kid movie. I'm so wild. Looks like that right. Walgreen was like what burnham but very good you have been the gawky greater your good looking and soon and i thought some of that stuff was released. Some of the strongest part of the movie role. I absolutely and i thought he was good. I liked their relationship. The scene where he catches her kind of with with one of remarks that she's trying to get revenge on You can see you know that she actually feels bad. That was a great scene and then it was about at that scene that i realized. Oh he's he's going to. There's going to be something here. He's going to know something about the assault and because she really likes him now. She's not playing him. She really likes him so this is going to be hard for her. You know it's interesting also does a lot of like you know the very first hookup. You're kind of like. Did she kill him. Is that blood. But then you kind of don't really know lot of it never tells you what's was interesting. How did this go you know. Yeah it does tell you. Now that i'm thinking of it because she she in that scene When she walks out with the guy he says. Oh my god you're that crazy bitch from blah blah blah. So you do know that. She didn't kill some cohen. South cohen is an asshole. Thought that was a nice little bit of casting to to make you know the geeky like just the nice guy nerd from the. Oc to make him without him. I didn't act you. he's he's and then mclovin have mclovin snorting cocaine was pretty good was pretty good to sit. Great lots of good scenes. And just but didn't i don't know what they were doing. Yeah together grade all right so you have to give it a rating. What would you give it. It's a tough one. We need some more an words. No i didn't mean it that way like nick's words exactly as knicks. Not for me. Because it's it's not for me. It wasn't it. Didn't it didn't tickle my fancy. Yeah i would say nice first film technically but not for me. It's nice for you. That was very nice thing to say. I mean lots to like about this movie and i. I think you're right that some of that could have just been over hype you know sort of fell into a little bit because man people are loving this movie and i i need to read a little more about exactly why All right. it's definitely not worth sorry. Twenty dollars are we love you. Dave see. I chose to spook ben. Twenty four dollars dissident buying promising young woman last weekend. I'm feeling like i wanna patmos up on back here. You know. I keep patting myself on the back for not buying the clearly great mauritz battles gremlin on a reward you. Have you seen the preview for that movie. It's yeah it's twenty dollars. Drop off every time. I see it pop up on my. I need to watch this movie. So i don't. Let's move on. I will have a review of that. I think you listening that. Have you seen the preview for this. Oh my god you made it up in your head. I i may have. I did this the world. This year's been so strange. That i just manifested this weird asks me. She's yeah yeah anyways. What is it called something. Yeah let's move on one division. Such the marvel cinematic universe finally comes to disney plus for this new show focused onto the lesson. Recent characters from the vendors movies wanna maximov aka the scarlet which envisioned tony stark's shiny robot creation vision did not survive the final vendors movie. Sorry spoilers but. I feel like anybody who cares about this. Is that even dead in the one before the final i think guy. He didn't die an endgame. He died in the one before right. Yeah but he must have come back. At some point i did. I thought he died and think he was in the final one. But i don't know we can check that later. You can google doc. But anyways isn't somehow been resurrected and living in a variety of nostalgic sitcom settings with wanda this thing basically jumps from era to era but clearly something is amiss and there is a greater mystery at At large that we're gonna ask unravel i guess. Also we should do just on spoilers because this is the kind of show that people relate. I talked to a friend the other day. who's like. Oh i'm gonna wait until everything drops i can watch at all so i don't want to give too much away. But what did you think. Non spoilers of one of the first thing i thought is your the meet the The marvel geek. And i'm right about this. He was an infinity war but not in game couldn't four didn't appear and not even listed on paul. Benny's nope not at all. Not even cashback coupons. I just remember him dying. Because i didn't know much about these characters men than any war and then i remembered that he wasn't in game. 'cause i'm a nerd. What did i think without spoilers. Okay without spoilers. I thought that it's satire and it's nods to all of the shows that it was mimicking. Were great i think that both elizabeth olsen and paul betty both of whom i find charming and most things were really good. I you know. I love kathryn hahn. I'm always glad to see it. Mccaw field the supporting cast in. This is great. This is worth watching. Simply because the performances are great and the makeup and the costuming and watching it is fun the the mimicry of dick van dyke and bewitched and the brady bunch is worth having a little bit of nostalgia for so i think without spoilers. This is a fun show. What did you think. Justin memory can say with. Super enjoying the show way more than i thought i was going to. I was like this seems like be a total turkey. I did not care about these characters so much so that i could not remember which movies they were in early And as much as you know i liked baalbek and other things i did lisbeth olsen very well thought like good. Why did they change accents. Halfway through the movies they tried to come up with some explanation of why she was speaking english. Athlete to the american accent halfway through the Vendors movies i was worried about this every just smell dan. You ever seen like her in her smaller roles. I don't think i have ever seen the marcy may marlene. I think i started that in just never got to. I heard she is great. She is i. I was surprised when she went like was in lake. Marvel i was like oh no. Don't take my little elizabeth. Because i just thought she i. She is so good and so talented. So you can know me. I'm not a big marvel person. But i really connected with this. I think this is. We'll get into spoiler. But i think this is brilliant. I really really enjoying it. I think those the movies definitely did both of them kinda wrong. I mean yeah. There was so much they were cramming into it vendors and so they just gotta stuff everything in but i love them being able to have some room to play around his. Actually they care about them to see their chemistry to see the range And it builds on all the things that the movies were hinting in in a way that it's like if you're going to take movie franchise and turn it into a tv show like this is kind of how you do it but I'm pretty impressed. And just also technically the detail that has gone into this to sort of recreate the various pastiches of you know sitcoms and eras. Apparently i don't know if this is true but i heard that the very first episode the dick van dyke fifties lucy. One was recorded in front of a live audience. It was fantas. Yeah that's like an amazing bit of dislike channel. The dick van dyke show which is fucking cool and so pre covid right. That's very true. And then just all the editing styles that evolved with the serve eras and the way that there is a mystery unfolding. That's clearly outside of kind of talk about spoilers. But outside of the reality the way the deconstructs and sort of breaks down the trope. Their that they're in is just so well done the rhythm of it. It actually moves from being very funny. I remember. I heard a lot of people being so funny. And i'm like it's not really that funny because those shows the third one was funnier than any of the rest of them. I don't know if that's just. Because i have more of a connection to the brady bunch than i do to be witched or dick van dyke but then there was state was funnier to me. You know there were there. Were jokes in the first ones that got me but the third one like i thought it was way funnier well. I think what's smart about it in a way that it doesn't actually need to be funny. It's just sort of like paying them osh. But it's like those shows are really funny now when you watch them except maybe lucielle say lucy still fucking hilarious interesting to talk more later. Dyke i don't. I don't think i've watched enough. Dick van dyke devin opinion. I didn't watch it either. So yeah it was one of those. When it came on channel forty four. I was like. Yeah know we're we're good that in petticoat junction wasn't interested. I really have to also give it up for that first episode with i forget her name from that. Seventies show debra debra jo rupp terrific and the guy from lady dynamite. I forget his name is. He's great and that whole dinner scene. I mean it has that creepy. Like i mean people talking about lynch and it's not totally lands but i mean if you've seen stuff going the unwinding of kind of comedy and sort of turning cow quickly turn into horror and like what the show is doing to spoilers. Well let's do that. Yeah so we've seen three episodes If you don't want to hear what is happening. And this is mostly going to be as theorizing. What what the hell's going on here. You can do a one. You know bomb bomb on a conveyor belt a to Don't play a whole house. Three thousand per class. Yes exactly mike glass now my somebody else stores starch glass. Thank god you married him dude. So what what do you think is going on. I think that this is going on. Inside of wanda's head. I think that in her grief over losing vision she has created some sort of multi-diverse in her head. That's what i think but well there's clearly some somebody on the outside of it to the either trying. Somehow they know. And i definitely think that the characters that we see again and again i think both emma caufield and kathryn hahn and tian parish. Yeah but jonah pairs who they manifest in the second episode. I think they all. I think they all know something's going on but i do think this is a world that she created in order to deal with her grief over losing vision and i went. What would it have been like. If i didn't lose him. What would have been like if we could add a normal life. So how much do you want to know about the comic stuff that i know do not want to do. You wanna just ride go ahead. it's I've heard a little but so i'm wondering i've i don't think i'm the first person speculate does but i think this is where it's building third episode. Sort of pointed to a little bit with the whole hydra thing in all of that well with especially with the rain and then the commercial where it was about hydra bath no but it was also about reading. Somebody's mind so. I think this is riffing on the house of them. Which is yeah. I know it looks fun story. Where basically the mutants ci wishes away the mutants because she has about her kids in this sort of fantasy world got killed or something and so she goes crazy and blames it on. I guess back nato or somebody in his like. I wish there were no more meetings. I think they're flipping the script on it and this is going to be the chretien mutants. There's basically going to how yeah. Yeah because there's also. I've heard that theory parts of her history although it's been wrecked conned a few times over the years. Is that magneto from the x. Men is her father. So yeah so. I wouldn't be surprised if this ends with like the new magneto showing up. Maybe they're dissenting. I also could be totally wrong. But i thought the roma did dorm and the xavier reading the mind well and they they own the mutants now so this this is the way they bring them into the universe right and you know that yes. I have heard all of that. I cannot suppose to any of that. Because that's all stuff. I i don't know much about in that i read about after my true feelings on this was this is an amazing piece of work about about grief and that ties into promising young woman. And and how you can sometimes see. Elizabeth olsen plays it where she knows that. This isn't real and jeevan says is this real to him at once and and but is grasping. It's like when you're in a dream in something really good is happening and you want to convince yourself. It's not a dream but you know it is you're trying to push that away and she captures that so well and that feeling of i can have five more minutes with this person that i lost and i can have a life and i can is so well conveyed and that has a strange melancholy over the whole thing and the fact that he doesn't know that he knows something's going on but he doesn't have that same sense of grief to him instead of just like. Oh i love you know what's happening but i love you and let's have this baby's these babies and i just think it's really really smart as some clever very well done and i'm really really enjoying. It beats final predictions. what do we think. They're eighty s choices their nineties choices and their odds will be. I mean if i mean ninety s has got to be friends right from seinfeld. Maybe yeah eighties cheers. East cheers cosby show. Family ties house pains. I bet they won't do full house simply because of the olsen twins. Oh ways. I mean either because of the olsen twins or they won't do that would be nineties anyway. Yeah and then. What would the really full house was in the eighties. Wow check the starting year but what about the. What are the odds. Going to be I think i stopped watching sitcoms at that point house did start in. It went for so long. But i'd write. It would be more nineties. Eighties eighties family ties. Is you know growing pains. Yeah i'm trying to figure out what ought shows or would be but maybe they'll break it all down before that. Maybe that'll be the point. She's like i have no inspiration for my fantasy of there. Were no good. Sitcoms those Everything just got nostalgic then but Yeah i super enjoyed this given a a high nice way better than i thought. I can't wait to see where it goes. It will depend on. Where goes it really. Yeah no absolutely it's nice. It's fun to watch i. I'm sure that nice will keep on. Just because i like watching these two actors. I like watching all the supporting cast. The set design is so fucking gorgeous. That it'll be nice just to look at we'll see if it goes higher than that because they nail this really special. It could be really special. Don't fuck it up guys. nice all right. Should we move on. Yeah i got a couple of news things Speaking of disney plus they have secured the rights to stream. The muppet show stern jury. Nineteen now. I don't know if anybody's out there ever decided that they thought i'll just by the dvd's for you know the. Because i i wanted to watch the show aljic and then you realize you had like you know. Have a cougar. Ran civic on bed in order to buy the show because of all the music rights. Well you wanted to watch it. It is and it never streamed anywhere. Now it's going to stream on Disney plus starting february nineteenth. That's where i will be. That is two days before my birthday. I feel like it's a special birthday present. Just for me. They just robing diane. I'm just like w disney plus after one division. Okay no after about pets. And there's five seasons of them up and then they can take a while. And i'm going to be amazed if they have all of the musical rights. That's the thing. I'm curious about disney. They probably just went to people. That's true that's true. Good point and the people from the right okay so also The joe goldberg novels. Which are you and hidden bodies which you start with one you you call someone else anyway. There's a new one coming out in april. It's called a love you me. I believe which if you've read these novels without spoilers makes absolute sense And i'm excited. Which also bodes well for the new season on netflix for those of you that for those of you weirdos that actually think this is a good show in not just one that you have. You know a codependent relationship with the books are better. The shadows star penn bagley. You guys is this hand. Bagley are these bank. Is it a continuous series. Like the of nurtures. Yeah oh yeah. He's a serial killer of guy he's a stocker in serial killer who's also played by nice from gossip girl and i. I have a codependent relationship with this show. And i will watch it but i know it's not good and i know that it stars penn bagley so moving on gonna move onto. We did what you saw there. And i'm gonna keep talking and we anyway. I'm excited about that book. Speaking of books. I have been reading a lot. angie thomas. I've talked about it. Several times on the podcast. The newest one concrete rose dropped on the twelfth and an almost finished with it. Because i've been making myself not just sit and read it all in all in all. She has such a great narrative voice. She writes the way her characters. Talk and you. Her characters are so fleshed out and feel so real that you just want to sit and let them tell you their stories and this is It's a prequel to the hate you give. It is the story of maverick carter. Who was the lead character in the hate. You gives father and Andrew thomas has gone on to say that Russell hornsby gave such great performances. Maverick who was always her favorite characters. She was riding the many way that she decided that she wanted to tell his story. And this is his backstory. And it's good and it set in nineteen ninety nine so you know. It's historical fiction now. It's true so we're old window and ninety nine. ninety eight. ninety nine is historical fiction. We're old it's worth checking out and utah the good talent. Rachel caine who is a writer. I like a lot recently passed away. She had cancer And she wrote a series of books called the morgan About the mortgage vampires. And i have been being them because they're fun and i wanted to the. Hey thanks for the memories to you. Rachel came and you were in eight person and in the writing community. She is respected is it. Is that a comedy. Horror is the mortgage relative. They're somewhat campy Their waie there about this town where vampires rain. They made a web series about it. That was very crowd funded. Amber benson played the lead vampire. Yeah so they are very fan driven and appreciated and they're fun they're they're not great literature but their characters that you really care about. Even though it's a little like okay applaud. I didn't really follow but but all the characters are so so fun. You just like watching them move around. So i've been reading those Watch more doctor. who were an apparently. It's about to get sad so we turned it off and watch dogma. Kevin smith movie or add anywhere. Did you know that if you have a dvd of this. I just checked. I do not so have my dvd of this movie that you can make yourself a cool one hundred and fifty bucks. Because apparently it's really hard to find harvey and bob weinstein own the streaming rights and just yanked. Yeah you can search for on youtube and there may be some guy whose name is russian coach. Smooch who's full version of the movie is on youtube and didn't infect our computer while we watched it. So here's a question. Is it is terrible as i remember because i hated that mckay i never hated it. I never thought it was terrible. I still liked it It's always fun to watch alan. Rickman be alan rickman. I did it with two people who said oh. I heard that the woman who played god is a singer. So i'm old and they're not a. Wow so i'm old and they're not because yeah. They were in elementary school. When jagged little pill. Kim off. And using that i know that one exactly that still have tickets to atlanta's moore's when the apocalypse ends i totally forgot. She was in that cat. She's got she's not new animated show to great north's look doug was a movie i always somewhat liked. I like kevin. Smith's writing life think it's interesting that it doesn't stream anywhere and then it's another thing to be mad at harvey weinstein. I like his writing. I always felt like he had just directing problem. His moves just look like a knows. Spotted me well. Russian coach moocher's cut was was his. His name was pretty good. It's been tight all right. Cool good good on your russian could trigger. I just wanna keep saying that. Because i've had a bit to drink to talk character. That's like a pilot pu shit monster. Yeah shit demon right and a scientologist as a demon which we see you guessing i. Should we talk about servants for like literally two seconds because yeah two seconds servant back on apple tv and it is garbage. It's hot garbage and it's boring garbage. You hot boring garbage with crispy. Flesh burning and making chris burning it was like i'm so bored and yet that's how you're trying to get. My interest is the subdue e han picking. I don't think i'll be back. It told me my phone said. There's a new episode of servant. And i went. I don't give a fuck. Thank you phone. I'm gonna go watch stan and one division and if that baby doesn't come back in like a crazy like evil neck. Munching demon baby. Care bunching right. I will watch in currently the fourth season of search party which is back on. Hbo max its final season. This show is batch it crazy. I adore it. It's just i. It's so i'm having so much fun with it. This fourth season Has taken a turn without spoilers for anybody who wants to watch this into kind of almost like a ms. I can say misery plot the a kind of crazy fans stocker. I will say that Coal scola from you know difficult. People and amy sedaris craft show. Whatever that's called is amazing. It as is famous sedaris which just got canceled canceled out. I fucking knicks. That i got a next. Thank you for my neck's boo their double totally at sad sort of won me over by the end. I didn't i like that. That was a good quarantine. Watch also and dowd endowed is in the you guys. I everytime chosen anywhere. It just makes the world a better place i'd like i just. She's amazing and this show is it is ridiculous. It is like a telenovela like crazy. Plot thing about this titled little shit head and her friends and yet man. elliott elliott. Shaukat is giving elliot's alley earlier. Alcott is giving an emmy worthy performance in colorado talented. And it's it's such a weird mix of comedy and horror and drama and it shouldn't work and not totally shirt does but it's one of those just kind of like along for the ride. I feel like this is my you know my nails mc laws or whatever. I know that it's like kind of bad. But i also deeply love it. Clauses and kinda bad clauses great. I've been reading well to rewrite upon. Sticks is a very fun novel By kwon berry came out last year this is about a high school in massachusetts in the eighties. And the girls field hockey team. Plus one boy who look into witchcraft. To start winning their field hockey matches it is a super diverse crew of girls and a boy and it gets into queer stuff and gender stuff and racial stuff and it is really delightful surprising. There's all this funny kind of things rethink it sort of you know you know where it's going if you've seen the craft and harry potter and then it kind of pulls the rug out from under you and interesting ways. I really like spoke actually really with a lot of today. Your thoughts advantage. It's great i. I was really surprised by it I'm also reading. Not so great but man. I needed it this week just trash. I'm this is just so such trash home before dark. Yes it is called home before dark. Is that the name of a straight to dvd thriller from nineteen ninety-two. Yes probably several of them. A second maybe some shows on usa now too. I m dp before this is a twenty twenty novel believe it or not by somebody named riley saker saga apparently written several well selling well-selling micro say bestselling but successful walks. That are these sort of go. St trashy stories. This is like shirley jackson light light. Light light I it was kind of fun. It was a tight little story. I really moved along. It was one of those things where it was like a nist. And there's a ghost st thing in their bells in an old house ringing. And there's you know morse code is they're trying to figure out what the bells mean and it's very silly. Very derivative a million other things. I also kind of just tore right through. It is perfect for going to bed at night and kind of forgetting about the world. Then spooking myself a little bit but not enough to actually really give me sort of bad nightmare. So i won't be reading anymore of his books but it was great for now and i'm reading a really fun book Now i'm bringing lot because it's only been a couple of weeks and these books called hedge Do you know about this book. I will talk about it more as a finish it but i just started it and it is about a bunch of Temps who are some of them are mildly super powered and some of them aren't who worked for a temp agency for super supervillain and so some of them are like data. Entry for supervision of anger like drivers. And it's really funny and twisted. And i'm really liking that savar so hinch. I'll probably have more to say about that home before dark. Nineteen fifty. eight. Simmons is magnetic as chart charlotte her lovely delicate face reflecting the inner turmoil of a woman battling for sanity after she walks out of an mental institution and home before dark twenty twenty tv series on apple plus a young girl from the big city uncovers clues to an unsolved cold case while visiting her father's small lakeside town. Now what about what about home after dark. It's probably several those. Do you know. I'm gonna all right while i'm going to close out here. You can tell us about nineteen seventy six and twenty seven ones about psychic investigations and the other one has something about homicide. It's basically like the mad libs like movie title title. All right talk to us on facebook where the next podcast talk to us at the motion to next achieved dot com twitter. A safe-space again. Now that we don't have that orange fucking maniac who. I didn't want to say his anymore. We don't we don't have to listen to you an war you're not the boss of us got it. I don't know if you feel this. I i was saying that some of the other day like i feel like maybe it's you that i have been exiled whole and it's gone now. What should go in it now. But i'm trying to figure out what deserves the space city anxiety whole but but it's a good feeling and yet but i keep having these waves of wait a minute. We really made it. We we got. We made it through done. Are you kidding. Me doesn't still feel real yet. But i'm hoping we will feel more normal. As this week progresses. I am doesn't hurt on twitter and i'm at fannie darling on twitter come talk to us. We will see next time we shall it's true.

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170: The Birdcage Turns 25

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170: The Birdcage Turns 25

"Pro what's up. Everybody we are back. Welcome to rio. Chronicles brought to you by talking dot com. I am your host david. I'm joined today. Leo egging morning men just me here with Guatemalan your what mike. What the modern is my natural heat ryan. I i can't follow that. Because it's daylight savings time and she is like a lunar solar eclipse a lunar eclipse. whatever they call it. What's the rarest one of the mall. would i solar eclipse be the same thing. Essentially sure so solar is the son so lunar the moon right there you go so the rarest guest appearance because she is our favorite guests star. John is back for one night. Only guys. I don't know back next week. What's next week's topic. You'll find out at the end of the episode. You won't be next week. I guarantee and so jen is back because we are covering one of our favorite comedies of all time. The twenty fifth anniversary of the birdcage comedic masterclass. I can't wait to talk about it but before we get into that. Let's get into the news of the week Somber news fellas. We have a new number one box office king. This is ridiculous. So what's up with that. Because i just saw that post. What was it yesterday. Saturday or yesterday yesterday neighbor i saw and i was like when the hell did. Can i say it when the hell did avatar. Come back to theaters in this week of justice just and who is going out trophy avatar when disney plot it's disney plus nine. It was how i watched it. When we came back last december we went to disneyworld and we went to avatar land. And i had never seen the movies like pandora or i avatar land and so i i went on the rides and you know it looked cool enough but boy that and i watched the movie later on. We got home. Like i guess in january by the time and it was on disney plus and long gone. Move be nice. You're being naive really wasn't like horrible but there were definitely a lot of parts that you could have cut out but i still fit the narrative. Fine the whole movie chunk of like like. I've said this before. I don't think the movie is bad and messages is very important. Well pocahontas said well. No fire mental my four year. You know the movies just extremely overrated. But yeah so released china area release in china this weekend only in china. I believe so anyway. Any minute on friday. He made eight million friday. So now i have the box office king. I've seen a lot of social media has been cray cray with this whole thing. I've had. I've had little debates with people on are angry rate. So i know leo and brian. I have some thoughts. But i'm gonna. I'm gonna be devil's advocate for once. And i'm never devil's advocate so this is temporary because i think vendors will have another re release and it will take the crown once again. So it's that's one point. The second point. I want to make is that i think going forward. There is no movie as long as i think that we're alive. That's going to be making anywhere near. What avengers avatar made because the box office is just never going to go back to the way it was with streaming and all that fun stuff so i think these two are going to battle it allow for the rest of time as to see who number one with a bunch of releases my other point before. Now i handed it over to leo. Let's not forget that avengers broke the record. Originally on a rerelease and people were bitching about it on social media. And forget to that. Little and i i was debating with someone on real talk. Instagram saying avengers didn't in one take no they didn't it was out of theaters and came back in late. June with co uncle scenes. And that's how they broke the record so avengers did do it on a rerelease so to advertise. Do it on a re. Release playing devil's advocate. They're just following suit. Vendors did thoughts leo man. Yeah when i saw the article. Dave i was like what is this. I'm on the pros right. Throws the reason china did it and the message behind it is the the movie theater business has potential to make a strong comeback. And i think that's an awesome. Awesome thing You saw them release a movie. It's not new though. Bringing movie goers back to the theaters was the main thing there. It worked clearly I love that. I love that part of it. I think the part of it that was like not like this. I know it's cool with the avengers being like thrown right. That's totally fine. That's gonna it might happen with star. Wars might happen with some other franchise down the line but like to get taken out like this like in the middle of kobe. I'm like oh it's like it just it hurt. It hurt but i'm not going to start a a ranch online about it like you said it's going to be back and forth until when until star wars makes it makes a play for it as well but It was just one of those like tam and like this. This is the way it goes down this ryan. What do you think. Can we get a hashtag to get a game back in theater so we can just get this erased as soon as possible. I'll pay a ticket. I might not go. But i'll pay ticket just to get it back in a number one. You know what the problem is. I don't think. I really have to double check but i think china also the movie did really well avengers. So if they do a re release in china this literally. I would actually love it like next week. Vendors comes out and they just take a right back and then avatar takes the we. We just go back and forth for the rest of the year. I think it would be very interesting to see how who who ends up at the end of the day because like i mentioned. I don't think any movies ever going to touch. What avengers in avatar did because number three on this list of Force awakens and. I wonder if like if you can manipulate everything. Slight only release force awakens for like the next sorry. I'm sorry i'm sorry. Force awakens is four. Titanic is three. Titanic titanic is too far back it. Do we want to release tight. And i do you talk about movies. I don't need that. I don't need the this. Leo's face i will say 'i rewatch watch this year. And titanic is a very good movie. Like i shit on it because i think l. a. confidential is better but titanic is a really good movie they make it work in that movie that should not work essentially. It's a romcom a romantic comedy. I mean the choices. She makes a very comedic. Guess but and leo dicaprio but yeah so that. That's the news for avatar evanger next up. I think this is actually very funny. Justice league accidentally debuts on hbo. Max folks tried to watch tom. Jerry the the funny the funny thing about that is it. The only got an hour forty minutes of it so even if they did watch an hour and forty minutes still had like six hours ago. So i don't know if any comments on that leo. It's it's like the most dc. Snyder thing that dc snyder thing can happen so whatever. Whatever right fucking snyder. Any thoughts jen i think. Just you know whoever messed up on that tech glitch probably out of a job now but but i think it just shows them like what they can't do in the future not to have those kind mistakes and it's a unique mistake to have now right because we've this new era home entertainment so Agree figure it out. And i can report them. My screener arrived this morning So i will be watching it. I will be watching today. And in the in the words of ray stands see. You're on the words of actually peter. Vink been on the other side ray. I'm sorry any more. I'm sorry for jenny. No johnny's gonna sit well but she's not a pay attention she's attention but wonder woman comes out and then she's like i don't know i actually know what common she's going to have. I honestly like. I don't even know how i feel. I feel like it's funny. You never talk to this movie jenny. Be like i watched a movie once. And i was good with it. We were talking about yesterday in the car and jenny's like oh. That movie was two and a half hours. I'm like no the original justice. He was only like an hour. Forty five minutes so that it actually pass so snyder and in my press on the screener that gave me a press calf and actually read it. I don't know why i decided to re this. But they actually Stated that snyder only shot one new scene for this cut so everything else is just that was originally cut. Yeah so the only new seen in this movie is the joker seen ingesting. Yep so yes so. We'll see what happens with that. Next bit of news is more somber news in terms of another sequel. That's coming that jenny. And i are probably going to be. She's going to be upset with me about So michael jordan is going to direct creed three now. I'm going to say that creed ended cre- to ended perfectly. And i felt like an end of the franchise. We don't need it. So i'm a little bummed about this. Leo what do you think yeah surprised. i mean i- kudos to michael b jordan to make debut right. I'm i'm excited to see this part of his career and see how he does. I just wish he would use a different franchise to sorta what about you right. Yeah i'm not for this. But i'm gonna see it. Well yeah i. I suspect clubber lang son will be the villain in this one and then last night last two bits of news. We talked about this a lot over the last like year. And i'm actually glad jenny's on this one for me to to make this bit of news on the podcast. So kathleen kennedy is going to remain lucasfilm president. After all the i would say what two years guys was. It been two year two years of like back and forth. You're going to get fired. Is kevin fight unit. Take over and i think no. It's official. She's like you shouldn't have control of two franchises. In a way. I think cabinet i think either that and i think people thought they baloney would have been giving the keys after what he did with mandalorian and also say he won't be given later. I like this. Because i think sh- i don't hate the trilogy the way everyone a lot of people seem to. Hey we've that's another scan front of the time. But i think she's kind of re. She's kind of fixed her stand with star wars fans because of the mandalorian and the last season of clone wars. And i think she and all the great stuff that stars has been doing. So i'm fine with this. It's just wanted to touch on it because of the fact that we've talked about it a lot on here. What do you think. I like it. I'm wondering if maybe this was a direct response everything that's going on with With cara If maybe they decided to stay the course and keep the leadership and just because like you know we're in this murky place right now. Let's keep you place kind of like what happened with amazon. And jeff bezos. Where it's like. He was about to get out and then covert hit. And it's like all right win this weather this storm and then when things are back to normal then we'll do like a swap of power. I'm wondering if maybe they're trying to just weather. The storm that the cara leftover ryan. What do you think yeah. I'm with you dave I enjoy the final trilogy. I don't know. I sometimes don't get all the hate that it gets down for this and i can we see what she does next. Gen any thoughts or you're pretty much on board with her saying yeah. I mean i think people got to complain about something. So i think it's fine. I don't see. I think she's done a terrific job already. I don't see any issue with keeping her on and it's going to end up. Being one of those things should be on for a few more years and then he's like you can't think that nobody else is getting groomed to take over this position. 'cause that's false. That's not what happens with these. Ceo's like you always have someone that's going to be coming up and that is learning from the current leadership and that will eventually get the job so and do i think it'll be a guy. Yeah absolutely. I think it's baloney i think it'll hundred percent colonie. I think she's in a unique position because she is one of the few because she she herself worked through the ranks. coming up. she started as steven spielberg's assistant and she has built a career out of through 'em amblin amblin and plan and then lucasfilm so so. Yeah so i'm fine with it. You actually let me take that back. It may not be felonious when it shocked me fabra. I was thinking pharaoh to i wonder how. How are you doing in the pecking order of all this. So but yeah. We'll see what happens with that. But good for kathleen kennedy and time for ryan. Actually ryan may still be interested in this part. we're getting a little bit of oscar. Talk and i know. I leon got some status for you and i know you love stat. I actually want to start off with ryan favorite award. Show the razzies so we had the razzie. Nominations this week and i just want. They don't have a lot of categories. So i'm just going to touch on some of the best ones here worst picture. We have jenny's favorite movie of the year. Three hundred sixty five days that is the net flicks is at the net flicks. A sex film right like polish film. I think i actually haven't seen it yet. It's supposed to be like the polish fifty shades of grey to a degree absolute proof. I actually don't know what that is. Really just the sexy scenes because other than that like the way he treats her is very demeaning and and yada yada very much like fifty shades of grey okay and then we also have but then again. She gives her consent. So it's a little different we. I don't know we have doolittle not shocked. Have you guys seen that. Ryan is the worst movie. I've seen last year. Okay okay. we're on the same boat. It with my number four worst of the year. so yeah. we're we're on the same boat fantasy island number two worth of the year. And it's funny because i think this could have had potential but unfortunately it's terrible and leo. Us about this movie a few weeks ago. Music worst actor. Robert downey junior for doolittle. Mike lindell for absolute proof Michael marrone for three sixty five. Adam sandler for huby. Halloween david spade the wrong missy. Worse actress anne. Hathaway the last thing you wanted and the witches katie holmes. Kate hudson lauren. Lucas and anna maria. Sil sil saluda for three sixty five. This one's interesting worse supporting actors. Glenn close hillbilly allergy. When she gets her oscar nomination tomorrow morning she will become the first actress actor in about forty five years to receive a razzie nomination and an oscar nomination for the same role. I was about to ask to. Because i'm like how is music getting nominated for some prestige awards but also getting craft on at the razzies. Because the hollywood foreign press. But the glenn close thing is going to be crazy when she gets an oscar nam and then the only other two things i wanted to touch on here where kristen wig wonder woman nineteen eighty-four and wonder woman eighty four getting nominated for worse sequel. Porsche i was waiting for that ri- Gen disagreed with two. I disagree with it. also. I don't think the movies great but i don't think it's anywhere near terrible movie at and leo you. Did you see eighty four yet. No i thought. I thought it was unfortunately forgettable but it wasn't terrible like a bad movie and i don't even think kristen wig was that bad i i don't think so at all So yeah now ryan. I think ryan's gonna take a nap. Because we're going to talk oscars so i kinda wanna start with a pga mpg. The reason i'm gonna talk about. I'm just going to talk about the best. Pictures here is because a vote for the movies. Same the oscars do so. This is kind of the closest. The closest thing will get to a To what the oscar. Nine eight nine ten. It's going to be ten. But all right best-picture judas in the black messiah more rainey's black bottom manque minardi nomad land one nine miami promising woman sound of metal the trial of the chicago seven. Those are the nine that i think. Are the best picture lineup tomorrow. I think we're going to get eight or nine but the wildcard borat subsequent movie films nominated for best picture at pga. I think has a very good shot to make it. I don't think and we'll find out how ryan but i think it has decent shot to make it. Leo will you watch the movie if it makes the best picture. Light of heck no no of them still not watching it. I'm done. i've watched. I watched most of what i wanna see for. The for. this award season would let me. But i i am going to ask dave. Can you clarify again What's you mentioned. The authors can go up to ten but it doesn't necessarily need to be ten what determines if it's a ten movie year so it statistically it's close to impossible to get ten and is close to impossible to get the five so how the oscar nominations work is. Let's say you have a whole bunch of movies and jenny's voter your voter voter it. All depends on the percentage of first place votes. That gets a movie into best picture. As so essentially i think it's three percent of the academy has to vote borat number. They're number one movie of the year if they do a best picture nominee the with the way the number are set up. Now it's a coast. It's literally impossible to get the ten and impossible to get the five next year Everything changes because it's going to be a straight ten. Why don't they bore makes it. It's because it's i don't see these old white old voters putting borat as number one. That's kind of the way. Pj does a similar so that's kind of why it's such a very interesting comparison Dj now i know this. Now go ahead or move on. What are the odds of 'cause adam listed. I've seen two of them of miami or black messiah winning zero there. There are three movies that can win. Best picture no madeleine trawler. Chicago seven promising a woman. Those is the only three. I think can win. Best picture Next up is dga. And actually no i'll skip. I'll leave. dj for last. It's actually good news. And i want janis thoughts on this so i'll leave. Dj for last bafta because baptist said fuck you to any oscar ever so they did some shit this week that i what they do. David tell us. While they snubbed carey mulligan which is fucking while it's interesting. She's one of john's british she created. Yeah say their own this like the lock because it's an american story. No it got nominee for best british film. So i don't know then i i. I haven't seen this list. So i'm actually really just going off the cuff here. Yo you haven't seen the nomination. So i know that you were around and i was just like all right. What so to reveal what they did so this year because of everything that happened last year that they didn't have any minority nominees. They created so they have their voting body who created a long list. Then after the long list for the acting categories and i think picture they created a subcategory of twelve people to make the final choices. Okay so this zero bearing any again any minorities in there. Yeah but they also snubbed. Viola davis as well. Okay wow wow. Wow it's it's i'm pulling. Nominations male minorities mainly. Yeah i think you are right Are they address. The address one issue just to bring up the other. Well i i'm gonna i'm aplomb pulling up the article with the nominations. I didn't want to point out that promising young woman had five. Nominations right screenplay picture Tractor though that's say not he get nominated. Were director and actor and actress. Which was i just have very big problems with it. I for some reason. My article for the baptists are not coming up. So i'm going to need to be our hero now and get the bafta nominations while i continued to talk about the snubs so they nominated. This movie called rocks. Which is i believe. It's a british film. i've never heard of and that led nominations. But it still didn't get a best picture nomination. They also snubbed. Another sasha baron cohen so such baron. Cohen was snubbed in supporting actor for travelers chicago. Pretty much like that's like a given. He's been nominated in a lot of awards for the hasni. Hasn't missed the way carry the weight. Carrie mulligan missed. She hasn't missed either. Focus then supporting actress snub. They snubbed glenn close. But i mean listen. I'm happy about this. A maria has got in. And i think i i you know. I think she should win. But that's another story for the nomination that when we get there but there's so much that they did that so fucking this year and i'm i'm sitting there and i don't know i don't know i think there are officially not a precursor so you know what i mean you can find the nomination on the site. I'm not going to go through all of them. But essentially they don't matter this year and let me go through my nomination petitions. I'm not going to go through every category. So i'm just going to go through some of the big boys ryan you still with us. I'm so here. Thank you all right sir. So actually shot up to jenny. She actually was able to get all the nominations for us. So i actually will run through Some of these here are you. He's the second link. I just exterior. Know this. is it so best picture for bafta. The father the mauritanian nomad land promising in woman. Trolley chicago seven british film. Promising young woman in the mauritanian got in. They also nominated saint monitors fucking awesome but then for director the only one. That's actually going to get in. Here is the isaac turn enclosure al so screenplay another round main promising omen. Rotschild chicago seven. So essentially just a whole bunch of like foot the biggest cluster. Fuck nomination was adapted screenplay. Did you guys see. I know you guys probably have not seen the movie. But there is another carey mulligan movie on netflix. It's called the dig. Have you seen that. Just pop up on your feed leo. No i haven't really been on. Netflix frequently is very beautiful but is boring as shit. But yeah so bafta. Nominations are all over the place now before we get to the oscar nominations. Wgn did a thing. This year i mean deejay did it thing this year and jenny will be happy about this for the first time ever nominated to women in their five. It's usually a boys club. Amazing thank you so much. How do you feel about that. I feel honored. The that's all you. I expect I really hope that judy was gonna give us one of her passionate speeches about like no. They should look. It's simple. it's as simple as you should be recognizing excellent work. It really shouldn't have to come down to being male or female. I do think there are a lot of female directors out there that regrettably a lot of these studios aren't giving a lot of time to or now they are because it's the cool thing to do when they should have been doing it before. And if you look at you should look at other female directors works and all of ranks they had to do check out ida lupino. Who used to work in the fifties and the sixties and she was recognized more for being an actress than a director. but like. you should be doing. This normally should be something normal so while it's a cool thing to do now and thank you so much for the recognition and the honor of the of picking two females to be in your category Do you know it's gray and let's see there. Let's get there to maybe one day. There's five females on that list. That beat out the other and ask you a question that are deserving can ask you a question jennifer. What's the question i mean. I know the answer. Because i kind of following. This is like my obsession is a woman winning no okay. You're on their woman. That's closed jobs winning all while. Okay yeah all right well. Okay so if we're following the market right now so had had it been before the golden globes and before the stupid critics choice awards which i don't really like personally but had it been before all that i would have told you know i don't necessarily think i think it was probably going to go to another white guy. Aaron sorkin david fincher or j or k. Fine david fincher right. So that's why we told you but now that they're also kind of the right thing to write and going in that direction. So chloe got it and she got it for critics choice. And i think i have a feeling she'll pull in and she'll get it so if she wins if she wins Dj think you'll be the only the second woman to ever win dga after Cowman in minority and minute. She's actually the first quick all. The nominees are aaron. Sorkin david fincher. Lee isaac chung albert fennell and closure and. That's the oscar five. I think. I think that's the nominee. The nominees for tomorrow are regina. King has a shot to slip into make a three women. But i think it'll be and thought that. I don't think that like aaron. Sorkin is deserving of winning because he does do good work. It's not that i think it's just. It's a very safe choice to go with that too. And i think you should really you have to look at the for director. You should look at the project as a whole not. Just like one aspect. Let's say so. I think that's really where sometimes like the voters don't always go like they go through and i do think people are making harder choices. Now we're looking at it through a different lens because they're like realizing. Hey i do think that the best director film of the year is bank. But that's just me but Promising woman would be my winter but no mainland is great. She directs the shit out of that film. And i look at a movie like no man which is like a grittier film. Should more down to earth. Like i mean jesus real people and then you look at a production. That's more hot old. Hollywood right like manque that had to do all of this like just even the costume designing is is excellent. I think and like all the interest- interesting hobby game and say the why don't we. But anyway you know so like all of these things. So it's not to say that one is per se deserving over the other. But i guess you have to look at what i don't know i guess look at what the landscape is ryan any thoughts on the dj nomination. So i say this like on the women and all that i do hope for the day that it just doesn't matter item. Hollywood is and this is perfect year that the women that are nominated do have two of the best movies of the year like oh my land is no mellon is a movie that i i knew was going to be something. I had to see but i was very worried because the subject matter. He was very very boring. But the movie is leo. Can attest to this. It just grabs you right away and frances mcdormand as do her. Think of being francis fucking mcdormand is like a joy to see. She's so great But yeah oscar nominations. I'm not gonna go through every single category. Because i'm not gonna. I think we may lose ryan. If i do that so i'm just going to do. Some highlights some stuff so documentary feature the only reason so right now And leo you kind of been a part of the podcast for years. So you kind know that the academy likes to snub the favourite so right now the favourite is time and i don't have it in because i don't think they're going to you know i don't think they're gonna of nominated because they just don't like to nominate the favourite So i actually have all in the fight for democracy because states stacey abrams she's evolved in this and everything show this year for all the elections. I think she's they're gonna get it in just to have her at the award show. I think i've dick johnson is dead boy state which is one of the best documentaries of the year. I highly highly highly recommended it essentially about a group of boys that go to this camp in texas. That's about the of with kids. I wanna be politicians. And it's on apple apple tv. Plus it is excellent. And there is a latino in the movie that just warms your heart and like how he comes from. He doesn't come from world that could cause a he is one of the only Liberals care because most of them are conservatives from texas and you see the the the ying and the yang the ideologies how they differ between his mindset and their mindset. And it's very very good. I definitely think you guys should watch that. The truffle hunters and the one that i wanted to talk about because i think i may actually like it. It's called my teacher. it's a netflix. And it's pretty much a man he doesn't fall in love with it octopus but she kinda mhm. Yeah he does if it sure feels like he. Does it very interesting knocking octopus. It's a real octopus yesterday in his house and he falls them up with it because he does per se fall in love with it. We might as well have okay. Yeah so it's on netflix. Right now but there's no like that. No it's not one of the original. And then you're like ryan would like this so glad you clarified riot any stuff. Sometimes right right. Ryan likes through. I mean to where it's original another one. I wanna highlight original school. Kelly and the sexy stud original score. I do i have trent rosner and atticus ross in there twice For seoul and manque and giambattista he's also part of the team for soul a meal. Massery for minority lured goeransson for tenant and the gross one of the grossest nominations. I've thomas newman for the little things. Gross make up an air sailing. I just want to throw out there. That have birds of prey getting it because it won the category like four years ago so Let's go shot up. I see i see. I know where to get you. Ryan and Visual effects the only thing. I want to highly because i know leo. You'll have a comment. And maybe jesse. She saw the movie to actually have meant getting visual effects nomination. Ooh inning ten. We'll get in there i have. I have a winning. Okay i just. I just put mac because a lot of people don't see that as a movie with visual effects but a lot of practical effects they do the scene. Where they're at a hearse house with walking with all the animals. That's all visual effects. Dave i heard. I heard about not not to believe all of them. Were no good go. Would you say you heard of a movie. That's nominated for documentaries. Welcome yeah yeah yeah. I'm hearing they're like changing the game when it comes to like visual effects on how they use it i have. I haven't seen it yet. But i do have it in my five. I do have welcomes checking you in my is okay. I heard i heard that they were doing is that. They use like real people and they used. Cgi to change the faces of those people to protect their identities. And look like other people though. It's a really strange way of doing it. But like i heard looks fantastic. It's on netflix. I think so. Catholics are hbo. I do wanna check it out though. I have to check it out. 'cause i assume it's going to be a nominee as well film editing. It's normal five. You know that the correlation with the best picture there at chicago seven solid metal no-man's-land in promising young woman costume design. I have a winning right now. Do you agree jennifer. Yeah i would and then let me see. Where else do i wanted loss on. Yes actually i may disagree about marez. Black pod for two to ruth carter. Yes yeah and she's like she's got us over there. Edith head yeah her thing for our craft. That's why have usually wins if it's not mink. That's who i am and the costumes lear. The only one that else. I saw ma rainey's right. The costumes are gray. All fantastic as well. Both of those so they. They just feel so authentic. I think that those two are like they'd be my front runners too. Yep i think anytime you have a period piece. Yeah very easy till end. The and my third-place is emma. Yeah yeah piece and they look period pieces adapted screenplay and then we're almost done ryan. I promise so. I have no mainland. Do you disagree. No at after you explain what had the screenplay is yes. I think i'm good one night in miami. I have marines black bottom. I have the father. And i have borat subsequent movie. Film getting an adaptive screenplay nomination any thoughts jennifer. That's an original. Why would that be adapted. Because it's leo. do you want to answer. Why would it be. Leo actually asked the same question yesterday. When i asked i always am i always thought that that the screenplay means that there has to be like a source or a book that you're adapting into a screenplay and then like that david it's more changed. It's always been this way. Go ahead tell me. Leo and like in a layman's terms of doing it Yeah i guess it has to do with just adapting characters of another source so anytime you take you take any kind of characters and in. This case was part of the g. Show because they're taking that character from another source and i guess the movies a whole different entity account has adapted screenplay. I think correctly. So i think i mean i think the original or was obviously like a book play like another like a radio. Show things like that. So yeah okay so it makes sense that if it was a tv show. I previously in that it would. Plus the first movie is also received a macadam adapt screaming on the nation. That's why i have it in here too and it's been picking up so much steam okay original screenplay. I have a minority. I need to watch me. Because i think she'd like it. Did you watch eleo yet. Oh yeah the the little kid is it. It's fun so the only good part of the five hours of that critics choice award. I didn't wanna talk about completely johnny. The little kid what is it. Alan cohen fung allocate. Funny because i q. I had said on my journey jenny had was coming in when he won when they were doing the nominations. I'm like oh my god. I hope allen came win because he is the cutest thing ever and then he starts talking. Jenny walks in and she's like. Oh my god and then he starts crying all star registry that judas in the black beside him mang trial chicago seven and promising young woman and i do think promising woman's within the oscar. We'll see. I never go against aaron sorkin but i think they promise was the best screenplay the year supporting actress. Leo hurts but have been deciphered right now number five and i think she can miss Do you think you've mentioned all the week prior to this. And all the way she's missing other shows on my my. I can't understand why. I thought she did amazing. She's the best best performance in the movie. See i. This is where i disagree. I don't think she was like. I know that you've been obsessed with her from the signings. She's the you've been obsessed like this is talking like amazon lowland absolutely nomination here. No but it's up there so i watched mink. I liked bank. I did not think she was one of the best thing. I didn't think she did a bad job but she didn't really stand out for me in the same way that like. I don't know if it's yeah. Like i don't know if it's because david hyped it up very early on for me so i was expecting something different. I didn't think her performance was bad. But i didn't think it was anything other than that. Like her best seen is obviously like at least for me is when they're talking one on one that's my that's my garden front area. Whatever like that is her key scene. And maybe she'll get the nomination for that but other than that and maybe her come you know popping up when they first meet there and then popping up at the end like in the car. She really didn't have enough screen time for me to really be like. She needs a supporting nomination. Well i dunno look at it just margot robbie nominated for like five seconds on screen time. Though i know she got nominated for bombshell a bombshell true but she had like a rape scene right like she was a rape scene shoes. One of the victims. So it's a little different. No but i think leo's often about once upon a time in hollywood which he should got nominated for that she was really good in just out once when she's washing herself. But you had to go through the rest. Glenn close to libya coleman eun young eugene for minority and maria buckle over for that the grandma or the white. The grandmother are nice. Oh is yeah And then i think. Maria buckle ovalles' may be winning an oscar which would be wonderful because she's so fun in us supporting actor. It's dan you and everyone else. This is over. This is over. But i do have jared leto getting in and i think i paint you. Does that opinion to say or were. You say like okay now. This performance was legit. I think he's good in it. I just don't think it's awards worthy. I think he's i think he's actually really good in the little things. The movie is not that great. But i think is really good in it. And he's an old. He's a former oscar winner. All that fun stuff so and actress you kind of know. Where i'm going carey mulligan vanessa. Kirby viola davis frances mcdormand andre a. And then actor certosa. Anthony hopkins resume. Gary oldman steven yeun jeremiad be if andrade oscar. She's only oscar. no she's throwing my fucking table. there's no way she's winning. The oscar debut you started. You started the crown right. I only saw one episode. I know. Vanessa kirby is in going to ask if you have any any kind of like Leaning towards kirby. Now that you see. Johnny can talk more on that. I love her as princess margaret. I think i would have loved. Had they kept lake the original claire. Foy i really like like the younger if they could've kept going a little bit longer instead of just like the two seasons but it's okay but you know whatever so i really like her there and then obviously like. She's very different when she's in that hobson shaw movie like a different role actress. She's really good. Yeah and i do. I do like her. Like i told you. I wouldn't watch pieces of a woman that i twenty five minutes is what you need to know about vanessa. Kirby in this movie like she is that seen is. Yeah it's tough. I don't like jenny was like i should watch them. No you shouldn't should not watch pieces of oldman m best picture. Charles chicago seven. No madeleine promising. Young woman me ninety one. Nine in miami marlins black bottom manx south of metal judas in the black messiah and if we and number ten just because i wanted to include a tenth was borat so i think any of those ten will be our best picture nominees and i. I think we are getting eight. If i had to pick so ryan you can join us again. Everybody so yeah that wraps up all the talk here regarding the oscars. We'll see what happens when the oscar nominations go live tomorrow before we get into the birdcage. Some of what we watch. Leo do you have any highlights this week. Yeah pretty pretty slow for me on. I just I finished watching flight attendant Kaley cuoco is incredible in it She does a really great job of Of shifting her. I guess her style from what we're familiar with the big bang theory It's an awesome show very different than what. I expected Gotta it feels like it's wrapping up for a season two so Definitely recommend it. I am sorry to cut you off. I wanna get jenny stops. Because she's put me onto this person. Did you see the news. About who kelly coco's playing and yes i did. And he's playing doris day in. I guess i don't know what what is it. Hbo all while they're doing like A movie i guess. It's like a bio-pic there. It's based off of a series of interviews. I read that door stay did like in the eighties because really once she kinda retire from acting she of was very much. You know just living her life and doing her own thing it. i don't. i'm not really against the casting. She she'll do a bad job. I guess i just don't want them to like. I love doris day. And level her movies and and i grew up with her As much as like a jimmy stewart or anything like that so for me like i almost don't want them to even touch it. But i think they'll get a lot of different things. Her relationship with rock hudson. They were very good friends until his end and You know her advocacy for like animals and for and just being in hollywood and all her story. So it'll be interesting to see I don't think she'll do a terrible job. Feel very indifferent. Like i guess. We'll just have to see. I don't know if i'll watch it or not because being a fan. But i'm not as angered as i am about nicole kidman playing ball so we'll see we'll give it a table table. That's that's slipping table. That's i'm not watching it at all. Sure aaron sorkin. It doesn't matter it doesn't it doesn't matter you know. I like aaron sorkin. I like the west wing. I've watched newsroom like its leo. Have you seen the west wing. It show out no no no newsroom. Ball and like nicole. Kidman should not have been cast. I don't honestly think debra messing per se in this series role would have been the ideal for lucille ball. Either but i just feel like you know. And i understand the argument that they went back. Because i don't even think. I was on this episode. When you guys talked about it but i get it that like her daughter and her son you know their kids like they gave the rights and they read the script and they're comfortable with the story and they're saying you know this isn't about. This isn't lucy ricardo. Ricky ricardo. this is lucille ball on. This is like this is who they're portraying and this is a week during filming and this is where it takes place and you're really getting hands on in their marriage and all their thing but you know what you want to know more about that. Read their books. They have biographies. They have books. They have their stories. Tell i just feel like. I don't know i i just don't know where it's going to go and i almost feel like you know. They had a twenty year love affair and it wasn't always good. And i just feel like you're they're dead now and you're kind of just bringing up more dirt like more shit and allowed it but i don't know i don't know i'm just i'm not i'm not fucking watch. Jerry's going ching. What else you got you. Speaking of of I guess a oh my gosh of all right. I ended up what i ended up. Starting the undoing On on hbo max And that is incredible Hugh grant nicole kidman Fantastic story dave. I think you. I think you would think you would enjoy this it's only six episodes I'm on episode or some almost done with it and it has to do with Pretty much an unsolved murder and you try to figure out who did it but Really powerful work. I kinda i see. Were jenny's coming from on her on her. Strong tangent rent 'cause i mean i i understand how you feel about these about these people right and how and i don't think i've ever seen the co kidman do anything lucy like toll. I mean the. Abc's if you're just doing it based on the looks okay. She's a red head. But that's about it but i mean it's we'll see how it goes but you know either but she was really good in the doing so if you wanna watch the on doing yeah go nice anything else And i started kind of like watching some Some little trailers and stuff about the falcon and the winter soldier. Which is doing this week. I've heard the first episode is really good. Yeah yeah and. I'm and i'm i think all of us will enjoy the fact that i i'm hearing that the episodes are about forty to fifty minutes. Oh okay which is way more than what we had for wanda vision and And also i didn't know that. I i completely missed the guy. That's playing the that Fake captain america. Right He played by wyatt russell. And i'm like okay. that's hilarious. Yeah i didn't know who it was until about ten minutes ago. You know who why it russell is liles going to tell us kurt russell. Fun my god really. That's cool that's cool. I like that. And and and ryan what do you got Not much a up to homecoming in my marvel re-watch and i have to say one thing that bothers me in this rewatch. 'cause i'm watching. In order he breaks the accords. And no one says shit. Because he's doesn't ask what. What does he do to break the court. He's being a superhero. And you're not supposed to be a superhero unless the government sends you. You mean like the footage that tony has like a kid or you mean like as spiderman su. He legit in the spider sue try. He's like does superhero things and front of the fbi and no one. Don't try take the court can have a counter. The accord only for the avengers and he wasn't an injury. i thought for any superhuman. I do talking about homecoming right right. Isn't it but he has to check in with happy. And i'm guessing happy like the direct line into the government. Some all sanctioned. I don't think he's breaking the law. I think he's going by like 'cause i if he's doing the superhero and he's checking into happy and happy works with tony. Tony would be like the one. That's reports of the government like okay. It's official. i sent them to cool. Okay good point. And the other thing i would like to highlight is the south park vaccine. Special was hilarious. I want to watch that too. I saw it on my cue. I definitely have to watch it. It was good. It was real good already and then for me. I had the kid ninety documentary so that is a documentary directed by soleil moon frye. She plays punky brewster. Yeah and it's very. It's only an hour longs queues us on sabrina. The teenage witch and saved by the bell. She was Remember one episode. Yeah the episode. Where screech makes spaghetti sauce and he has like the the The rich girl that wants to date chief plays. Wow yeah yeah right. Yeah the stuck on. Yeah so the documentary is very very interesting. Because it's pretty much filming footage from the nineties of her just filming a lot of stuff like hurt hanging out with actors like drinking with actor smoking all that fun stuff and we have a baby leo appearance. Oh shoot yeah but it does get dark. I don't specifically know. She dated jonathan brandis. But he's in it a lot and then she talks about like there was a lot. There's a lot of answering machines from him to her and you can kind of tell he was not you know he was struggling was asking for help and she talks about how she wished she could be there for a lot of people and it touches on like she's lost committed suicide throughout the nineties and stuff like that while and like her life could have been different. Gone when watching the doctor. You kind of see where life could have been mark on it Leo is not on it but you do see clips of leo added amusement park and has he has a scene at the end. Not a c. Like clip at the end where he's talking about like getting on deeper voice in like two years older than he was before. It's very funny to see. Leo being normal not boring about a camera in front of you i would imagine she had to have gotten a release on some of this like the rights from these people to to show the footage. Probably it's nothing you're not. They're not doing anything wrong. It right but still. It's still like a part of them and some of these actors also have have become more private like it's funny like not exactly the same thing because i'm sure he was in this documentary but i read an article yesterday about eric von debt in. And you know him from brink escape to witch mountain He was in the princess. Diaries and he ended up not too long after giving up a career because it was just so he said you know auditioning for all these roles like being an actor was inconsistent. And he needed. He knew that he needed to provide like for his family. And for all this so he ended up going into finance and it's like twenty something years since he's like acted and he's like i would be up for something like if someone has a role and they wanna bring me back to something. I'd be willing to do it but right now. I'm focused on my family and being a consistent provider and and all that and it's just interesting to see like the different route set that he took that some kid starts take and david arquette was on it too and talks about lake his drug issues and like how he could have died from like if he started if he was doing as much as some other people were doing probably would have died and he's fully aware of that another thing that that she talks about that was very interesting was She suffered from your jen. You're going to have to cut me out here. Jain giant thomas macedonia big boobs. Yes so like. When she was sixteen she was already at cup so she had had surgery to reduce reduce because like an very metoo moment she would be on she would only be getting cast in adult roles and they were very you know or people would probably go up to her and make comments about her boobs staring at her like. Oh wow you've really mature. Oh no there's another term you nailed it so she would get on. Say i know. I i've lived it. Yeah so what do you think she was. I'd said they used to say oh. You've grown up yet. No one can see me and if you're not really looking at photos of me online. I have big boobs. And so i grew up with people always making comments about my boobs or like things like that you know i remember specifically in grammar school like the boys took like a measuring tape and they put it across the doorway and when the girls were coming back from recess. They did it so that they could measure the girls boobs. So as you're walking into the doorway they like went around you. I feel like that would probably be a david move in. Grammar really makes up david but any. They used to do that like that. Kinda shit like that boy kind of shit so like i'm not surprised would not surprise. Yes so she talks about how like she had to get the reduction to just live a normal as a kid. So that's very interesting very interesting for an hour documentary. You get a lot in there. And then the other thing. I wanted to touch on. I started finally started to allen the pharaoh documentary on. Hbo max because the last part is today man I it's really hard to say. I still like any hall. But i do but matters a lot of stuff on there that is not. It's not endearing to woody. I already knew his stuff. But there's a lot of stuff in the documentary that vary like mankind's a pig like absolute terrible human beings so highly recommended documentary. It's on hbo. Max last episode of today and we don't have one division to talk about. This week is now documentary. I didn't see scene odyssey. Did you guys check it out the documentary yet. No on disney plus so So yeah that brings us to the birdcage and an hour in guys we. We did a lot of news today. So i want to actually start off with you know i experienced in the movie. But i'm going to start off with ryan because he. This is the first time he seen it so ryan take it away. Oh wow. isn't that interesting. Movie was ahead of his time for sure. I liked the movie itself. I didn't laugh. That much saw comedy. Odd ryan what's so. I don't know i'm not gonna put it as my top comedies. I'm not gonna lie. Those are good story. And i was intrigued the entire time. Oh my god. David of all comedy. Hey you i feel like it's me talking to myself about rahm coms your broke my heart. You broke my heart Leo what about you i. Experience watching the brash. It's always funny. My first experience isn't as funny or is uplifting it actually is a little bit more serious It was back when the movie had originally came out on vhs and like all my buddies were talking about this about one thousand nine hundred seven. I think maybe. And i rented it right. I went to my local hollywood video To rent it. And i was watching it and my dad ends up walking in and it was one of the scenes with armand. And he's like what are you watching. And if anyone knows. I like latino cultures especially like when we were younger are very very male dominant anti and very homophobic. My dad saw what i was watching. This you're watching gay. People is that what is this. He's like any took the video and he took it off and he returned it back to the video store. He was so upset with me for watching this. I was watching it and it was a funny movie. But i realized i kind of what david said. I mean what ryan said. it was ahead of. Its time this subject matter back then was a lot more taboo than it is now And then years later. I finally got the movie. I finally got to see all the memorable quotes in all the fantastic performances but does actually cause some drama back in the gremaldi households back in the late ninety s interesting. Johnny actually don't really remember the first time i saw it. I think it was again one of those movies that was like on. Hbo when i had a legal cable and it was like i just came across it So like the first first time. I feel like that was probably my. That was my first experience. A lot of movies was that. I was never really other than like certain movies. That had maybe like sex or lake naked parts. i guess i wasn't really censored by my parents so much. And if i had a question i could just ask them and they were very open so it was very different And i think it's also one of those movies. You i watch you. Don't understand all the jokes right away depending on the age that you see it but then later on like as you get older and you watch it more and more you understand it more more and so i always really liked It's funny. I saw the birdcage first. But then when i was In high school. I took french class. And we actually saw the movie that it's based off of in during my french. Do it now look casual full. Because you know that's not how you say david casual and so and it translates to like the crazy like mad cage of women or something like that but logical and it's actually very the birdcage does do a lot of the seem like jokes in tropes that the original did. I think you're a drummer. he was. Nineteen seventy eight announced based off of a play. I think in nineteen seventy-three so so it was interesting. Because when i saw you know you're you're learning. You're learning french in french class. And then watching the movies you know. You're trying to follow a french movie. And then you know being that. I had the birdcage before you kind of play along with it. So it kinda helped. It was helpful that way. Yes so for me it I think junior senior year. I saw it on. Tnt and right away by for me nathan lane. My as i saw it was the first seen i saw in the movie. It's one of those movies that actually didn't see from the beginning the first time it was The to- seen that's the first thing that i saw and nathan lane that's it that's all i needed and i was hooked after that and it's it's got him better for me every single time watching it. It's actually one of my top ten favorite comedies. It is whole lariat for me. Sorry ryan sorry different. Thanks yeah so in terms of the production. Let's get into a not much to say here. But the film is a remake. Like johnny said in the nineteen seventy eight four. That's how you say it david. I like davis keep while there are no real stories regarding the production of the film like other movies. We've talked about before it wasn't outlined to films at the time like leo. You kind of nailed the store. The nail with your story in the context of the mid nineties hollywood the film was also radical outlier. That health particular significant for the lgbt community. A doctor matthew jones a reader in cinema and reception He he put it this way to help them. Audience traumatized by a decade of living day to day with a threat of disease and death to laugh again as the eight crisis was it's added at it unfortunate heights during that time. Do you guys agree. That leo absolutely i think and we go over the list of what's age well and what's age poorly. Yeah i totally agree with this. Yes gender agree. Yeah and ryan Agree to yup great. So the movie was released. March th nineteen ninety-six a budget of thirty one million dollars. I was actually surprise. It made one hundred and eighty five point three million dollars. Wow comedy that is fantastic trophy room. This movie was nominated for one academy award. Well wasn't best. Production is i'd nathan. Lee was fucking snubbed for supporting actor. He should have won supporting actor at the golden globes. He was nominated for best actor motion picture comedy and he lost which is ridiculous Yeah i hate it. It was nominated also for wgn best screenplay but did not get the oscar nomination at the glows. You got me here. i do not remember. i'd have to look it up So you're going to have to wikipedia that whoever beat him should not have them. Let's just put it that way. I don't even know who it was but no eight were age best so i think this entire movies wonderful. Think there's so many things out of age best year The dinner scene. I think that's one of the best dinner scenes in any movie ever. Any disagreements eric's except ryan probably disagree with me leo degree there. You're talking when they meet the parents again at the dinner scene at the end. Yeah yeah. I love the the tow seen. Yes like it's hilarious. It nathan would tell seen your pierce the toast. The tolhurst david saying tell like t. l. and i'm like where were their toes in this movie. No the toast holler larry's is though teaching how to be a man be a man. Yeah were european so that you could get another place bread toasts. you're right. Spot is doing anything in this movie. But i think him cooking dinner and cleaning out for me is like extremely elias. And just nathan lane and robin williams really everything. They do is hilarious in this entire movie. leah. What do you got for age best. I have the my depiction of miami of the miami club scene like. That's movie movies like midnight late nineties and still i can twenty twenty one. This is pretty accurate off the show of love to the lgbtq unity. I think that's again like this was not normal not common back then so like this movie can still be watch. Take in its in. Its seen with affection I put this. Because i just remember the line. So far. like guatemalans of ecuador's spartacus The whole fighting between like family and morality versus gay rights. That the that's still had to today. a l- the another line that stood out to me was the when he's showing we showing the nathan lane like what he wants to do as dance music. You can do fuzzy fuzzy. Martha graham martha graham martha graham. Martha graham toilets toilet or toilet. And i remember that. I didn't know what fossey fossey fossey meant but now years later with all the things that have come out of bossy and like oh okay this makes more sense now And the thing. I was going to mention about aging poorly and best that you kind of hit on. It's interesting is it's it's straight some straight people here playing gay characters right and i think now. We've entered this debate on whether or not that's cool like if it's a gay role should be a gay actor. And i think that's something that's representation and opportunities and it's it's a debate that's really hotly contested But this movie did it in a very sincere. You're genuinely beautiful way where it wasn't meant to be kind of like malice so like even anka's area as aga- door in today's age could have been seen as disrespectful but when they were doing it back in the late nineties it was not disrespectful. It was generally like to be like like an to what to what that community was looking for but Yeah i think anything doors spartacus on onset. Same thing as david said is amazing. Ryan what are you. Lgbtq main characters. And the whole. Fuck the senator line and lane williams altogether jennifer. So i think the movie overall it was your first peak at this like gay family right. You had a loving gay couple who had been together for twenty years. They provided a home for their son. I think that showing in the ninety cinema was so important that was nineteen ninety-six. So that i felt like that was just a modern family before a modern family of today. And what are you know. Especially when marriage equality back then was still on a dream for a lotta people Age the best for me As a dancer. Like growing up as a dancer. I did know who bob fosse was and martha graham and twyla select. That whole scene was hilarious on stage. And he's just like. This is a huge eclectic celebration of dan. The only one there. That's a little questionable. At the end is madonna. Madonna had was rising in the nineties. So that's our very timely miami beach. I agree. Leo still looks exactly like that. Like if you are going out on ocean drive your or to like mangoes cafe like you're going to go and you're gonna party and and all that I think drag shows have still aged the best and earn anyone. That hasn't done it. I highly recommend a drag brunch bottomless. Mimosas and drag queens for me i think. Albert's dramatics just hilarious. Nathan lane was really at his peak here like his. This was like one of his best roles and he really brought the whole cast. I think overall this movie has a really good casting you know. Sometimes you have movies where like you have like three people that are like the best out of the whole cast. But like i feel like everyone. That got robin williams nathan lane gene hackman. Diane weiss christine baranowski like you had ever callisto flockhart. Before she was a thing drills thirty two she was thirty one playing eighteen. yeah before she was ally. Mcbeal dan futterman. Who went on to a few other things and like you had a really good cast. The naked greek boys on the plates seen the same green wallpaper in the club as he's going up the stairs. It's the exact same wallpaper as blanche's bedroom in the golden girls is really. Yeah already much if you look at it. It's like that big plant palm tree motif. I think it hasn't necessarily age the best but we still have it today. Is concerted conservative politicians with backwards views. So and then just the fact when you're watching this movie and re watching the chemistry between nathan lane and robin williams. The way they played off of each other they were able to ad-lib a lot of the stuff that they did together I think just just works. You know. I think The movie as a whole just really progressive in its message and Yeah great great great so they do anything else together. I don't think so. I don't know i don't think i'd have to look up double check but i don't think so jenny and my last thing is doors. Dance to gloria stefan's while he's cleaning is like the best because i to listen to glorious stefan sometimes while cleaning but i don't look as good as academic does reminding me of you in both jenny and you dave when i was watching the movie. 'cause like he's like i'm like ricky endlessly for me age worse so we all talked about the positive valleys at the movie has but there's one thing that did rubbed me. The wrong way is vow goodman asking his father to To cover up his sexuality like pretty much hide the fact that he's gay and i mean it is what the times at that so i get why they did it but that eight badly kevin kiely being an open. Big well to be fair. He he wanted them to cover up with the parents because his fiancee knew about. Don't get just because he loved this girl so much and so it wasn right of him to ask but they also loved him good point online that they were willing to do that and close themselves off just to meet the parents and deal with that in the time being and then i did have it in age worse but johnny nailed it an age best conservative views. Yeah i mean. It didn't really age because we shouldn't have that it's still it's still you have conservative politicians with backwards views. Leo what are you got. Yeah i mean you guys hit it on the head The conservative and liberal fights. I think that's like something. That's that's still going so it's like unfortunately like johnny said it's still there so it's not hasn't really aged well or badly just age I think there was one thing to like that one line there was a bit of a throwaway line. But i don't think at aged two to well was when you're talking about Keeleys partner and that he was caught with a dead prostitute And they mention that she's an underage black or And i think that just just gets the fact that this was made made as it was a joke kind of thing but it does make an. It's an illusion to like underage sex trafficking like that line may not have may not fly that much today I think the concept hiding your sexuality. I think today's society is a little bit more more free to be able to do. So so maybe they. They're not quite understanding how difficult it was for. People back then But overall honestly. I think that the movie did stuff. I can't find anything that didn't age to to well brian. What you got picking food off the floor in the boss not saying anything in the kitchen. Not the native american spot. They like whether they had like the white women in native american dress. people You're not a woman because that wouldn't fly. Nowadays the animal killing joke and the use of a green card has leverage god. What do you got john. That was good ryan. I i had recently watched that scene and so but that's that's really funny So each worse the loose wig at the family dinner like when they all get up to like be like go to the bathroom because first of all a real drag queen would never have that wig would-be on their tight so yeah and then John wayne john wayne does not well. Yeah john. John wayne is problematic in itself. You know it's funny. I wonder especially after his after. Resurface that nineteen seventy-one interview with playboy where he derogatory views again. I i am shocked. Americans and films with gay character. I am shocked with dr seuss getting cancelled and peppy. La- pugh getting cancel. John wayne has been cancelled so he's been canceled ready. Yeah to some form of degree. I think it was like a ucla exhibit or some oh is honor and they actually ended up moving it to a different section to be more You know yet. John wayne as i understand why they did it in the movie because at the time right like that john wayne that male machiko was like this. Like that. was your your guy right back then but it does not very well I would also agree. David with like val asking his parents to hide in order to be accepted by His fiancee's family. So that doesn't age very well But you know in the end they were all willing to do it for him. And i think he came to the realization. That like you know. He should have never asked them and he done so. I think that gives him that redeeming quality And then And i actually have a question. Do you think this movie would have been made today. Still like maybe it wasn't a nineteen ninety-six like do you think this movie would have been made today. Wouldn't be as good or would it be like they wouldn't have wanted to make it for fear of offending somebody. Oh yeah no. It wouldn't be. Maybe because of that didn't have to be fearful of offending someone and there's no idle are they would have made it but maybe they would have cast right like all day Who would you have recast if it were made today. That's a good question. I didn't expect you to have a follow up to my cousin. Out robin williams would have been the one of the ones that has to be recast. But well right. He's too old now. We're thinking of somebody like more recent. I guess i would have said bomber. But he's could you do shan jackson story. Oh yes yes and bomer is a really call. Two days yeah. He's he's pretty though he's pretty he's pretty. This'll be the members. Go matthew bomer ego. But what's the actor or actress right. I'm sorry i apologize of from that started with orange. The new black Ruby yeah yeah yeah He that's another one but no actually. I was talking more about the I think she's trans. I'll laverne cox laverne cox thank you. Yes so that would have been and then. What's his name. Billy from philly. Yeah he would have been the nathan lane character. What's his reporter in great. Yeah okay but it still wouldn't be out of africa remade again now. I don't know that nestle will be. Yeah i think it's it's a movie that right like you're not you're likely not going to touch it again. Hopefully hopefully it don't touch it again but not like come up with an original story. I don't know already. So let's get into the categories That guy wore that. Joe spinello award i went with dan futterman who plays vow goodman. While he did write the script for capote and an oscar nomination for but as an actor is kind of like what i know for jet who you have. So was dan futterman. Because everyone else i know from other things. Leo what did you still make capote sorry lee just because of the timing of when it came out I actually put handcuffs area. I i knew him first as wait. Isn't that the guy from birdcage. Yeah 'cause i actually didn't. I and i know blasphemous. I don't know i didn't know he was on simpson's the voice voice wise. Yeah i was like oh then later on you kind of realize oh wait. He's on other stuff. What are you got right. This is my first time. I really didn't have anything great Daedalus shrimp six man of the film award all right. So i cheated here. Because i love. I love cheating in this category. Obviously have hank valia. As i though spartacus but i had diane weiss. 'cause you're timing is actually really good in this movie. Johnny gave me the look. I'm not sure she approves no. Isn't that inappro- who actually put robin williams. Oh no he's forty he's co mvp spoiler. I love it. I thought about cohen. Vp and i was like you gotta have mvp as most valuable player to have won. The robbie williams. So i felt like you couldn't like you might well all spoil it now. My mvp is nathan lane. So like i feel like you couldn't. You could have nathan lane alone. But like robin williams and the way he it much more like less flashy and more serious still gay. He was still this partner. Like who would calm down. Nathan lane character. Like you know you couldn't have like. They played off of each other so well but i felt like the star with nathan lane. Like you couldn't you couldn't have robin williams was the supporting player for him. Leah what are you got. Yeah i agree completely for sixth man. I stuck with the classic hankas area. Ecuador spartacus anytime. He's on just so heels it he steals everything he chews up scenery. It is incredible. Ri- loves the I went with nathan lane. What you're not going to see robin williams is the best part of this movie. Oh man i had no. I cheated and i have call when i'm not changing it. I have to. I have split. Mvp's and i'm not changing. I've repeats okay. Okay i and then like. I said becky icebox the film nathan lane. One of the best performers literally best comedic performances of all time and. it's probably my top twenty favorite performances of all time. Jenny nathan lane nathan lane. I think this was really like one of his breakthroughs. I mean before this. I really knew nathan before this. This particular movie obviously other things now but before this movie. I knew him from one of my favorite movies as a kid. Life with mikey with michael j. fox i think it's also disney plus now max. Hbo max okay. Well somebody's got it so watch it. It's it's really good movie. I just really again another one of these movies. That was always on tv. And i used to watch all the time. And he's a very different carr- he's a serious like straight guy in this character in that movie in life with mikey so the the difference here and he did that before this so but yeah i think. This is one of his breakthrough performance. Then he got to use a lot of different strengths and the joint convinced me. I'm moving robin williams. Six man because nathan lane deserves us on his own Made for you leo. Yeah i mean it's tough. It's tough to upstage robin williams. Rashly doing this time. Yeah exactly like this. Is robin williams. Like top tier work and nathan lane. Somehow it just takes it to a whole new level But yeah i. I kind of kept him alone on this. He deserves this. Like i would watch just nathan lane as albert goodman goldman over and over again and you split right right. Yeah i split. Because i think they feed off each other magnificently sober. You're so right there. I forgot to add. I don't know why this is a staple of nineties film for me and age us our age worse robin williams chest hair forgot about that man. Chester who had a worse guys. Andy garcia the godfather. Robin williams here. The bermudez shia is a bear melis from williams had a dangling gold chain that gold chain is money absent all already so Last one there's one more ward. You're not you haven't said peaks and valley. No there's no crying in baseball award and did you cry cry. But i wanted to point out a very touching scene. When they're sitting on the bus stop. I think it's a bus stop or on the pier and they talk about you know he talks about you. Know the whole movies funny but then this gets really more serious anything. It's something important to say you know. He's like this is the palimony agreement and he's like If something happens to us we're both protected and you know there's only one place in the world. I call home and is because you're there and so i think that's the way and it obviously shows a testament to their twenty something year relationship and everything they've built despite like nathan albert thinking like. He's always cheating on him or you've got someone else or he's too old and he's this and you know that armand is true to him and and all that and he just wants to give him that security like anybody would want like that security that safety net. You have a good one. I wasn't i didn't break down and say none of us has talked about her but christine brands actually really funny the little amount of time. She has Then peeks valley are for peak. I went. I actually was gonna go with gene hackman. Because after this he only had the royal tenenbaums and he kinda heartbreakers. That's not a good movie. it's not. It's not a horrible movie. Royal tenenbaums is the last good sigourney. Weaver that doesn't meet go to or movies are good. I gotta horrible. No but yeah. I will i gene hackman. All after this all he had was the royal tenenbaums and then he finished off eight years later in two thousand and four with Welcome to port ray. Romano and always terrible. So who do you have for. Peak jennifer epa. Dan futterman because like i've seen him in a lot more. Tv he's a lot more tv but then he's done a lot more screenwriting behind the scenes and obviously like you mentioned before capote so I think he kind of peeked one of his first movies and he kinda didn't do too many movies later on. I think he was in the movie. Enough with jennifer lopez also rush. I think he was the friend that like. She goes to at one point but anyway what are you guys agree with johnny. I picked up. Dan futterman 'cause i mean. Think about it this way. He was in a movie with nathan lane list. Afl car like robin williams. Like all these hitters and then. No one knows who dan. But herman is an actor Yes so picked him right. What you there. Yeah picton too because everyone else on. Like who the hell's this guy arie valley Of it's a little morbid. Because he's no longer with us. But it's robin williams. I mean he literally won the oscar. The next year williams half robin williams already birdcage facts. This is actually hard shit to get because for some reason. There's not a lot of information on the movie but it did some some doozy's here number one. Mike nichols require that nathan lane. Robin williams film. That leaves one. Good take of each scene sticking to the scrip before you would allow them to ad-lib this sounds like the perfect that add to a movie with these actors right. You would need this. And i guarantee you. I mean i'd love to see like a documentary and the birdcage. Because i bet you most of the takes user the improvise once ad-lib one absolutely totally agree number. Two paul thomas anderson director of great movies like the master and there will be blood. Jenny one jenny's favorites to master. Wanna ryan favorites. There will be blood caused birdcage. One of the most ra- watchable films of all time and a movie. That without fail question will make you stop dead in your tracks and watch to the very end actually agree to that because that's exactly how it got me to watch it the first time i'd number three i want this is the casting. What if because. I love these days for for these. We do our recaps of these movies. Robin williams was originally cast his shirt while But he wanted to change from he wanted to change her from playing flamboyant characters and asked to be cast armand and then mike nicholls agreed and recasting. Do you think you could have done it or do you think it would have been a little bit over the top. I think he could have done it. But i i'd rather have not i give me the right decision agreed. On number four director. Mike nichols had to be covered by a sound blanket during the toasty because he was laughing too hard. The telco seen toast. David i keep thinking of toes. Like i don't understand all right. The next one is definitely any comes. Back with a weird token league ryan. Apparently today octopus. I guess now on the odd number five on his thirtieth birthday hankas area work on heat the al pacino movie with robert deniro where al pacino. Let's everyone know that she's got a bright ass. And you got your head all the way up. Excuse i find it impressive that you think how found a way to tie the birdcage into that. Thank you. I appreciate it but there is a fact here so after he filmed on heat so six. Am he went to He headed to film this movie. And when mike nichols found out he actually gave him the day off. He sent him home on number six while nathan lane like his character in a film is openly gay. And it's kind of goes to which was talking about life with mikey. He had not come out at the time of the film's release next up just being another. Kathy watt what if armand gold guess who else was are thought to play. Mimi go ahead. I almost mentioned it before. But i figured it was coming up. Go steve martin would not have worked. I love steve martin. But i don't think it would have been as good. What do you think leo. Yeah i agree. I think i think that may have ordered on like maybe this movie. Not being taken as finely as it is now ryan degreed right and then Diane qian was actually the first choice to play louise keeley. but because of her role was In father of the bride wanted into she decided to decline the row. This one day. David alan grier was originally cast. Play the butler so as area till the club that expanding his role in the birdcage was rob robin williams idea. And i don't think david alan grier would have worn out now. He was a little bit much. More like was over actor. Yeah this is an interesting idea though. Spartacus partially based on judy garland's dresser shoot. Yeah i couldn't figure out how to play a scene where i had to Common albert down before show and nichols gave him the instruction Your characters partially based on. Judy garland's dresser judy would panic. Before every performance and address it would panic with her and he would panic more than her so she'd have to be the one that's on the calmed down cool. Yeah number eleven. More mike nickel stuff. Not only did he had to get a blanket place on during portions of the filming. He had to be removed completely from from the room and be put in another room because he was laughing too. Hard during During ush shots Next up during the toast schemer out are mentioned that one all ready number thirteen hankers area released shortly into filming that he actually based voice of either a spark. It is on his grandmother Ott robin will you guys. None of you guys touched on his barabra father in the kitchen scene was not planned and when he slipped you can see anka's area hold back a bit of laughter last three with point three million dollars. The film had the highest opening grossing weekend for gay lead character. That's awesome until two thousand nine. And i do not want to name that movie name. It brusco bruno. Yeah terrible last. Two mike nichols had to study footage of drag queen performances prior to the filming and finally nathan lane basis drag lift for mrs goldman off former first lady barbara bush. There was a lot of. There's a lot of like call out to like presidents and ex presidents names. I'm like damn this movie like really ruffled some feathers back then. So yeah that wraps it up. This is a great discussion guys. A great welcome jenny. Back for one week only Next week we will be back with the roundtable as we look at our top. Ten directors cuts won't be back next week. See the movies. I see you soon guys.

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Oscars 2021 Prediction Special - Daily Pop 04/24/21

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Oscars 2021 Prediction Special - Daily Pop 04/24/21

"Austin carpet tomorrow but the fun starts right now on daily pop. I'm here with my two best friends today. All right you guys. Let's get this champagne flowing and get this party. Started someone with pain. I am a gay male and this unnecessary others are not gonna ruin my weekend ratio. What is your champagne to. Oj ratio five. Just a splash like an eight hundred hundred ninety ten type of girl but i already losing things. My earpiece is gone but you know whatever live tea. Party cheers now. Get ready for a red carpet and ceremony. He's never seen before one thing that won't change the star power. We're talking brad pitt. Zendaya regina wreath just to name. A few will have more of the stars. We can't wait to see in just a minute but first. Let's get our predictions on. The competition is fierce for best actress in a lead role. Aaron lim who was your pick. Okay so as much as i love violet davis and then she is queen and i wanted for her. I really think it's going to go to carey mulligan for promising young woman. You guys did you see this foam. Yeah like i really she just she served it all and i feel like the academy is going to go for okay song okay. I have to agree. I feel like if any of these women one. I would be very happy. But my pick is francis mcdormand. No eric let me tell you. I love a woman as a lead role where she's allowed to look her age and praise for it like i. Just don't see that much in hollywood. And i hope that she gets recognition that she deserves and she might staying home this year. So here this she might actually have a chance. I was originally going. To give it to vanessa kirby because pieces of a woman was such an unbelievable film but we know that oscar campaign got derailed by what was going on trial above so the only other person who could get it would be andrew day and we know that the oscars loves our new. They love a new news and what she did as billy holiday. I feel like that's a performance that you'll never going to forget. And it was her first performance which makes it even got that globe and that was a moment and we do often see when you get the globe you so i do feel like all of these women really liked demand respect like not one nominee that i don't think honestly deserves it. You're right on you. Tell us the real reason. You chose francis because you loki wannabe. No man woman picked that movie from the beginning. I was like i know everybody was like why you do. And i'm like now's like sweeping on my. Yeah yeah the white girl who sees the only one movie and she's like he's gonna win at is best. Actress in a supporting role is a mix of hollywood royalty and some new blood. Aaron kuti young eun for minority. I mean i think she's favored to win. I think she deserves to win. Monari in my is the movie. That should sweep. It won't but i think that she has a shoo-in and assure win for. Oh that's a good one. What about you i had to. I agree with aaron. Only i agree with aaron. But i'm gonna go with maria buffalo because i feel like could you saw the movie nari and i loved monari. I i'm not a huge fan because that type of humor isn't like i don't get it. Yes you know what i mean. We saw this morning. But i feel like i love with the movie stands for and what it represents and i love maria story. So that's where. I'm going epic for so young and for one of her first performances into to really like balance Sasha baron cohen like that takes real talent and mess with the oscars likes they love a new person a new avenue but they also like hollywood royalty. So i'm going to have to go with glenn close. No one knows who was in hillbilly. Lg because she literally got on that stage yeah she rocked it and they stole it from her further wife two years ago. And we've seen it seen how hollywood will say you know what we should've gave it to you. Leo for titanic. We weren't ready to go ahead and we're gonna put you in a bear suit inside of horse and we're going to give it to you not because your performance was the greatest which it was but because we owe you want and i think they're going to do this. We're going close because you guys if you've never seen the wife honestly asked for the last twenty minutes s acting you've ever seen in your life watch it actually. That was you're right. That was robbery now. The boys are also going to battle it out for oscar gold. Who are you liking for actor in a leading role. I think we can all at the same time. Just say who's gonna be it's gotta be chadwick boseman. Yeah i should like hands down. It will be chadwick. I think you're absolutely correct. I think the only thing that could derail this whole thing for chadwick boseman because he swept all throughout this award show season ribs. I'm ed in the south. Sound of metal the oscars of film that makes three dollars and fifty five cents at the box office. And that put somebody in a situation that they wouldn't normally be in this man was a drug addict rockstar tremor who was losing his hearing it. Scream charlene iran in monster. I don't know what else you understand. My obsession with risen. That's less dmt him multiple times. I have known man is even like that. It's i like. I watched the movie and i was so moved. I bought like a baby at the because it touched it. I don't know. I just never really put yourself in the shoes. Like that and like it was such a beautifully done movie and he just was so amazing agree with you. I'm like i know. I think it should go to chadwick. And one hundred percent think he deserves it but if anybody were to upset exit it would. It would be no i disagree. I feel like my upset upset quote unquote but not really Steven yeun from minority owned. Yeah different from what we've seen him in fees previously owned walking. Oh so kerr's matic and sweet. And i mean that was beautiful storytelling you you have a crash read how you have. A crash was thinking that you what it's too early in the morning okay. Who's going to take home. The big one for best picture. Tanya who you thinking okay you guys i i'm gonna i'm a at a toss up and i can't pick between the two between your children even though i don't have children so that's my take it or leave it. I'm going to go nomad land or sounded metal First of all sound of metal is like some. The metal is great. It's great and the fact that it came out this year in a pandemic where we're all kind of adapting into a new way of or or wanting to. I feel like it was such a perfect message for what we're all going through else. I think help sound a middle on. This one is that it didn't come out on netflix. Like people are going to be like you know what we gave netflix's too much less two years let's not throw net flicks all this praise and love. I think the fact that it came out on amazon prime it felt like a feature movie and not a made for netflix movie and the story was something that we have never seen before and again like i told you the oscars loves a movie. That makes three dollars. Seventy five cents. Didn't make as much but we'll make a lot once wins at oscar. That's why i'm going with sound of metal. Yeah i am actually going to go with minority. I did love sound of metal. I just feel like it's to metal for the academy. They're not gonna get it. They're going to go with something a little more class. They're going to go with minority and you not know. Asian american has been nominated for an oscar. I know we're not talking about best actor actress anymore but still we need a win for the community. So i'm going monari easily moment where they're like. How vote you like. Asian asia. But also i saw woman in a leading role. Look in that way. And i was like yes girl. Tanya we actually have a hairstyle is here and makeup artist frances mcdormand. That was a surprise birthday coming up from angelenos leg. Theresa's bug grab. It's a look at our favorite oscar moments. Toss the man behind borat. But who is the real. Sasha baron cohen. don't go anywhere different karen smith. She's one of the dumbest girls will ever amanda decipher. Fred went from. Ingles i wanna do it over and over again. i just want to work on migos. I want them to make. I don't want to let go of the oscars red carpet. You'll super lucky. I'm actually way more excited than nervous. At feel like it's so surreal for me. Amanda made her oscars debut with robert pattinson as a presenter in two thousand nine this year she nominated for her first academy award as best supporting actress and emmy and even though we don't know who will take the ask her home her iconic sir. I have an idea. Psychic sense is up for ten oscars including best picture but the real crown jewel of this season is sasha baron cohen. He is a double nominee. Tomorrow he's up for best supporting actor for the trial of the chicago. Seven and best adapted screenplay for borat subsequent movie film. these are two extremely different projects. Sasha's an extremely interesting dude he can wear an outfit like this but also do serious work. It'd be an awesome husband and father. It makes you almost kind of wonder. Who's the real sasha baron cohen. I mean talk about multifaceted dude and often you see that comedians like that who can really execute it geniuses like the man is brilliant. He looks like he has so much fun with isla. I love that. She's in on all of these jokes and just let him be. Who is going to be. I interviewed him a couple years for. Gosh oh he did another Parody comedy forget which one it was. One of those other crazy and i was nervous to interview him. Because i'm like who is this man. Is he gonna pull a prank on me. Stubborn caused is he gonna be sasha. And i had a conversation with sasha baron cohen he was kind of serious and just very you know like he was just all about project like. Let's talk about it and we shared a couple laughs. But he wasn't trying. Real interview was sitting across all we. Can i get a picture. I think people love him and respect him in the industry. Because a lot of times you come as one thing and people only want to see you as a and you put your foot in another lane and you're successful add it. You really become the bell of the ball. I think what's really awesome about. Sasha baron cohen is not only is he getting into character he's creating these characters for himself. He's creating this in hollywood and he's not letting his personal life lead the charge like a lot of celebrities. Do i know. But you know what i actually i kind of take issue with that because i like knowing their personalized. I like knowing there. But like you are an actor. And you're in you're in the limelight and you're in the spotlight. Let us in a little bit. Like i wanna know what life is like a home with you. Yes not me. I want to be able to imagine when. I see a guy on screen like if i ever seen michael b jordan on screen and he's single on screen with somebody else. All i'm going to think about is what what about loy able to actually happened to me. During quarantine is i was watching and i was having all those fantasies about reggae john. And as you do yeah. And when i saw those stories come out that he had a girlfriend felt guilty about it. It ruined you ate dinner. it didn't ruin and let me tell you didn't run how bad i was like. Oh like has a girlfriend. like i shouldn't have those thoughts. I felt more guilty. That i have a husband and i was having those fantasies but not so casual husband god. Let's move past the husbands as a single man myself. I should have done some wild things on the oscars red carpet like dressing up like a dictator. You never know what's gonna happen at an awards show and here are some of our favorite oscar moments. I'm just really very blessed to be here you know. I'm blessed highly favored. Can you believe this. Jennifer aniston and emma stone. Were all over each other back in two thousand fifteen to do it and other star got hansie with jen to Reese witherspoon was behind the booty squeeze. Jen didn't see coming and tiffany. Haddish hit her purse oscars on a mission. I'm looking forward to meeting mastery. She jumped a red carpet rope to make it happen and then gave a shout-out during the show. I want you to be my momma one day. It's still the call is still the oscars. It's nerve wracking. Luckily kate winslet had leo dicaprio there by her side in two thousand sixteen to keep her calm. The two worked the cameras together taking his back nearly twenty years to their tannock days. We also caught this moment last year between florence pugh and scarlett johansson the black widow. Co-stars were beaming seeing each other again. No one strikes a pose like angelina jolie and she proved it at the two thousand twelve oscars. It was all about that leg shooting out of that vintage for sachi dress like it owned the place but honestly it kinda did angie's leg went viral even getting its own. Twitter account other fashionable moments will never forget. And i'm really excited to be here lupita neon and that baby blue prada number in two thousand fourteen. Jimmy chan vision and bright pink in two thousand and nineteen to now manet last year and her crystal hooded ralph lauren and throwing a way back to a couple of classics halle berry in two thousand wearing elie. Saab and julia roberts. And vintage valentino. My knees tan. She said aunt julia that dresses nice. But if you win what are you going to do this. Thank you very much Mix we're talking fashioned a big trends. You'll see on the red carpet. We're predicting what the stars will wear. Zanna roberts rassi is joining us next. The red carpet is making a major comeback tomorrow. So we've gotta talk fashion zanna roberts. Rassi is here to tell us including the oscars dress code. I love when celebrities enrich people get told what to do. It's my favorite thing. Hold they have over the pajamas. We're over the hoodie. He's on the right cop. Hit the nominees was sent. A letter dated rules on the dress code and it said were aiming for a fusion of inspiration an inspirational and aspirational which in actual words means false. Totally cool if you wanna go. That casual is really not. Wow ooh what are some of the trends that we are going to see tomorrow. Well i've been speaking to some of stylus of key people who are going and we can expect exuberance like fold. Brilliant wearable optimism. Freaky trends that were going to call out today. So space hogging skirts which is probably one of my favorites. I'm going to go to the oscars. You're going to remember me. Like billy porter walked in with that. Black isn't it. I mean this is like old fashioned answer to social distancing. No one's coming at you in this way. What's next one minty fresh new minty fresh so we have some you know. We've seen a lot of miocene love color but is the kind of this year. It's cleansing it's soothing. It's calming refreshing mocking sage stick. And what's the third thing we're going to see on. This record is just saying office. Florals we face florals us time and gets it would zana confirm that i'm doing steps up coming sweatpants. Matching sweat suit. I don't see your at five thirty the morning yes. Do you wanna see rocking the larger than life to ruffle moment. okay. I first of all. I'm just a huge regina king fan stan. So i picked her. And i wanted to put her in the space hogging. I just feel like she looks great and gowns like this and having some fun taking up the space in the face which she deserves was pretty. What regina scott body she about to hide it under that value. Well the always show talk. Yeah i mean haram saw like please the like sheikh on top party on the bottom bullet hole glunz going underneath. Yes you wanna put in. What trent well you know. Let's talk about the fierce florals. Besides us in them thinking viola davis. She's not new to the oscars like she's got to make a statement. I would love to see her in some bright bold colors patterns like i'm thinking address from christopher john rogers who is my favorite designer of the moment before love southern cal. Ooh what do you think about this. It's really obvious. Christopher john rogers amazing viola. Also a firm proponent of young black designers. this dress on her would be killer. And i love that silhouette. I would like to see in this too. Oh i could see that. She's wearing this silvery mcqueen number here in the last oscars matures wave at when i kinda like this silhouette on the costs it. The big bustle of the hips. Pretty and it's a lot different from what we've seen in because she has been gone. So old hollywood dysplasia a stylus and she's been nailing it but yeah. Maybe it's a departure. Well you know. I was a big girl. This covert eating everything and mid chocolate chip is one of my favorite things is miss. Angela bassett bringing that melanin. She always does the strong colors. These very like strong. Ping's blacks gold. And i wanted to see something a little bit softer. That has a little bit of luge into it. So this valentino gown makes miss angela. Look like the queen of jofre. Here look at this time walking. Because when i was at first envisioning all the fabric i was like nah. Nah no great body. Don't cover and now it's always. She always has the slick hair this big wad here but i would do the slick hair in the back. I would let the face and the skin just talk for itself. And she's not one of those people that needs all the jewelry to make a moment. Think about that. I spoke to a stylish jennifer austin this morning. Oh tell us more well. You're not gonna be disappointed. Mission is she has to top the two thousand eighteen. I don't know the color. But i do know it's going to be lots and lots of schiff up along with the plugs walking. The question is this. do they try like every year. Talk or do they want to do something different or do they always. They know it looks good on them. Do they train station. I think they stay. Stay stay into the formula that works for them but then also you see the progression through all the awards right so you go from the golden globes to the last one which is the oscars so really going to go for also. This has been such a strange season. He's seen people in literally hoodies and sweatpants and ballgowns with slip is so it's gonna be a fun time. I liked the dress code. I e mail. Because i'm not gonna lie. I'm like a little bit over it to we. All ready for think much-needed exuberance and fun wearable optimism joining me. There's a lot going on still the hall of fame the fashion hall of fame. Okay so you cannot forget. The everyone at home can actually vote the fashion hall of fame. So your options are at home shortly. Therein red carpet arrival of two thousand sixteen. That's good right. Regina king and lady gaga two thousand nineteen. And finally mr brad pitt. In two thousand and twenty. The poll is live on news twitter account. And you can. You've got until sunday at one pm pacific to vote and helping really new in On the red carpet on sunday hit on guy. No one did it. Better than brad pitt. Coming up through an oscar party like a star. We're making some amazing dishes and cocktails inspired by this year's nominees thank you. Oh ooh together leslie. Junior is oscar's breakout star. One night in miami. Don't don't come along so often scored him to not best original song and best supporting actor as the late singer. Sam cooke all acting singing dancing. The guy does it all on broadway at seventeen a grammy and tony hamilton. And the mankin dress like the best on a red carpet to wonderful time to to be creating and making an oscar win would put the thirty nine year old one award away from the e it's about dole your creativity or wherever you're wherever you're as high as your talent can take our favorite entertaining expert. Pause on is back to show us how to throw the ultimate paula. I don't know how you're going to outdo grammy's because that was epic but what's the first thing we need when we're setting up our oscars brunch absolutely absolutely. We need to set the tone with some decor so inspired by the nominated films. So right here we have two items. The first is inspired by mack. Which is all about old. Hollywood film stuff like that. So we have a mega foam and then we have a clap. Clap board right here. You see how cuba classify blur around the you understand party and like this is the cutest thing you can do is. If you're doing situation this can be a place card. So everyone gets one is adorable. I love i didn't next up. We have a floral arrangement with the fun gold at the bottom. And then we have some gardenias. Gardenias were worn by billie holiday in her hair. Andrade sleep the screen so this is no march to billie holiday inn together wants a decorations are set. It's cocktail time. Right okay buddy. Mary's are a must for brunch. But you put an oscars twist on this one. So what are we making. We are making a minority mary. So monari korean word for water salary. It was pivotal pivotal in the movie. And it's going to be pivotal pivotal with the cocktail. Better be because. I like a good bloody mary. Better be good so we are going to ice up mixing ten likes so then. We have some bloody mary mix. That's actually green. So we're gonna for the bloody. Mary mix in three like so his green tomatoes in tommaseo. We do have some celery juice in lime juice. We're going to add that in a minority situation going then my favorite part the best part vodka out in a half vodka. And if you wanna bloody maria you just use to keep your massive stuff. Yup worcestershire sauce. Go and then. We are going to give this a good shake shoppers on have cocktails under your belt. And we are going to pour that into a glass rimmed with some to give it. Spice everywhere on yasser mixologist over there coming out. I can take the top off and just pour it in there. You go a minority. Mary out me tip batch these up put them in pitcher. So while you're watching the oscars you can still enjoy some signature cocktails. This is good good right. I love this. I love this now that we have our drink. We need something to serve at this brush. Absolutely so we're going to do award winning breakfast ball so we on medium heat. We have some coconut oil and here comes up to eggs with some coconut milk. So we're just gonna core that in there. Come around in a second. Cheese from wisconsin wisconsin. It's next to illinois the trial of the chicago. I love the detail about it. Really goes right on top. So we're in here for our girls. You get an alternative myself. And if you're a vegan you know guarding some meatless beef. That's perfect. you could just that in. We have some salt and pepper. We're going to throw that in there. She's in b.'s. You know that's really going to do anybody going on a date. After keeping real salt scrambles. We are going. Take our ball. We're going to put in one cup of rice in then we are going to bring in some more miami elements for one night in miami. This would be perfect for one night in miami. Love are gonna add in a half cup of beans like so then. We have a fourth cup of pico big. Ooh we have some plantation. Are those again giving that miami vibe playing teams and i never even thought about it and how scramble looking over their clete is not on. I don't living room. You're gonna do the vegan vegan some of my the egg. I love it so as cooks up we will transfer that onto the bowl and then we have an avocado chimney curry sauce to finish it. When we all have one already made one made so we can let me try that again. Giving it some one night in miami one day in miami vibe every chain right. I'm not gonna lie. I don't eat cheese mine. Looks really really pepper jackets. You that spice. So it's coconut sliced. It's miami miami over. I'm ready for the desert part. It is all about the golden knight with oscar. So why not come up with a diy little donuts situation here into take things one step further. You can set up a little station so after you guys eat before the show you can do a diy donut station to create some golden doughnuts super easy. Just take some joe in a glazed donut. Double that joe is headed. It's all edible. It's all edible of all and then you pop it in like this in walla and then we're going to finish it with some edible goal waves this thing ever all. You're moving into having activity for your friends to do while you're enjoying it's so fun but it's also having something for them to take home like oh i'm gonna make this and i'm going to take home and enjoy this in the privacy of my own home all you are always a pleasure. Tell everybody where they can find. You buy me on. Instagram paul's on amazon dot com. Right now cheers. Paul has best ideas on a weekly basis but up next the great oscars debate. Who will win vs who should win. We're breaking down with our movie expert when we returned all right. Let's jump into. Who will win vs. Who should win tomorrow. Rotten tomatoes award season editor. Jacqueline coli is joining us. Live to tell it like it is. This woman is batting pretty pretty close to a hundred right now with predictions. Let's start with best picture. Who will win and who should win. Okay i will say this is gonna be a tough year decide. Who will win. Who should win. But i'm going to say no mad. Land will win. This is the khloe. Zhao francis mcdormand. She would make history francis frances dormant for being a best actress and producer. She wins both but saying that one's going to win. But i would really love it if minority is the one that would win. I get who we loved this crean immigrant tales. Even yon has been on air since the walking dead and hit alan kim. His cuteness is only rivaled by eugene. Just complete spelled getty grandmother. I love her everything. She does not going to be a great beaches. Well i have a feeling. Thank you so much for saying that they should win. I'm with you. I know that it probably won't but minority was just such a good picture this year. Okay but we gotta talk about best leading actress. This one is a huge category. Yeah and it's really difficult to because this is incredible competition. I'm gonna go ahead and say that. I believe by ola davis is going to be the one who is going to win. She's queen viola davis. She's been nominated so many times and she has not won on many occasions. When i thought that she should but i think that carey mulligan is actually going to be the one that if it home this weekend chief get on the scene. Young woman with emerald mel. Yeah i really would love if by davis one but it seems after that critics choice when and now last night with independent spirit. Probably going to be carey mulligan. Oh what do you think about best supporting actress. Because that's always one of my okay for best supporting actress already kind of buried. Believe a little bit until early. But i think you didn't young is gonna be the one that takes it home for this one and she's just so incredible she's known as the korean meryl streep in her nation. Zoology he's also so very very funny if you remember her baptist speech where she talked about the birth being snobby. That is quintessentially her. And she's also when. I think should win and she should win lovable in that film. It's just like wh- maybe my granny exactly a best actor. I think that we all have our prediction on this one but talk to us about it. Okay so for this one. It's going to be chadwick. Boseman go ahead and say that chadwick has been essentially running away with it this year and his has been on hand to accept these various awards. This is not just a fitting tribute to his legacy and everything. He did as an actor but his performance in rainey's black bottom is just incredible. It is stunning. It is just visceral and the person who should win as well. I know folks are behind anthony hopkins. There's a lot of folks heinrich ahmed and steven jahn. But i'm gonna give it to chad with not just for what he did onscreen but also for his entire body. I love you for that. I feel like the hardest category in this whole race is best supporting actor because there are so many great performances in this. Who do you think we'll take it. Who should take it. Okay so for this one. It's very easy because the person who should is also the person who well. I'm talking about daniel columbia. I think he should have won when he was nominated for get out so this is a fitting tribute that he's going to finally get his gold statue and he should win for his performance in judas in the black messiah be totally embodied every aspect of fred. Hampton's charisma is politics is fire and how he was really able to inspire an entire nation of young black to ask for more and be better and then was tragically betrayed by the informant. William neal. they'd by danville. And i also want to see that acceptance speech because we know what happened at the golden globes me day. Was that wi fi. I don't know have issues. Why five said it time and time again on the best director. Who's going to okay. This one is the easiest one because she's literally swept every single award on our awards leaderboard over at rotten tomatoes dot com khloe. Zhao for nomad land. The woman has not lost all season and people have fallen in love with critics and audiences with this Ale of a woman who sort of searches for herself after living in a van due to financial hardships. So she's going to win. She should win and she will make history of the very first woman of color to take on that all all my hope. You are correct. Thank you jack learn. We'll see you again tomorrow for ease branch at the oscars and also on the after party boys. Yeah i'm going to be with you guys. I'm going to be with you all day. I can't wait. I'm just so excited to be there. Oscars y'all let's do it. Get this coin but still ahead. How do people really know. This year's nominees and presenters. But we're hitting the streets of hollywood's. I find out that is next. There are a lot of famous faces in this town. So it's easy to confuse tom. Cruise with brad pitt. That's what happened with victor cruz. Hit the streets to give an oscars quiz this oscar nominee she's nominated for performance in mink this year. How was karen in mean girls. Everyone knows lean girls salsas in a free and you get this oscars presented hit number one. He won an oscar last year. For best supporting actor i don't for he's been married to jennifer aniston and angelina. Jolie might be do do tom. I don't know what do you say. That ben affleck ben affleck. He was married to jennifer aniston and angelina jolie. Those who wait brad pitt. Can you guess this oscars presenter hint wanted. She was the first african american to win. Best actress oscar. Two thousand two number two. She was a bond girl. Two thousand dollars. Well then number three. She starting woman and excellent. Oh man audio engineers knows it. Where are you looking over right over there. You are correct coming up. It's our turn to play oscars trivia do you know which nominee has co star with leo and ryan gosling. See you can beat us in this game coming up next. Welcome back to daly papa. Oscar special don't forget. The oscars are on abc at eight pm eastern tomorrow and we will. Have you covered all day here on. E. starting at three eastern. Now let's do a little oscars trivia to see how much you guys actually know about these nominees. John bringing it baby. Aaron question which nominee has coast. Start with leo and ryan gosling. That's going to go to aaron firs see carey mulligan. Oh no i think. It's a amanda. Hi fred let's see. Oh we have one for miss routes. Mrs rose actually sheltering again. My face rich oscar nominee refuse to do an interview for ten years and beyond say is not an frances mcdormand. What are you going to say. Tania work is francis mcdormand. Be quick got my life. All right tonya wrong. Time which actress wants got an oscar nomination with just eight minutes of screen time. Tanya by al davis and the answer viola davis. You've got it. John pop out. They don't pop out there so thank you. Which oscar which actor once appeared in a micro chips commercial before he was nominated for an oscar goes to us roads on this one should bear in co over novak. Oh well still got somewhere to go. Tanya could still come back. It is three to one and have a few questions left and yes tanya can because you know what what you can do it every you put your mind to. Oh i was gonna see a lot of useless information like which nominee is also a distant cousin of the late princess. Diana go right ahead. There's only one britain there. You better say it was the one brit crown. Thank you emerald. Tanya wait tanya. Can we get the answer. I one i think is going close. Accurate is it. Is it really going quite. You got it close so i now with this one. You can tie it shade for that answer. I need to take a moment. thank you thank you. I feel a team up happening here. And i'm here. I'm ready to tie it. Which nominee proudly claim. A tractors felicia rashad as her career mentor as their career mentor. Hope you have the answer. Maria buckle ova shit felicia shot wick. Can we see the answer chadwick boseman. I don't maria back. Alaba knows research audience. Because you said she and i thought that was a freudian slip. Winking nod for me so like oh you guys. Don't miss all the coverage tomorrow then. Monday on daily pop. All the backstage secrets and everything. You didn't see on tv. Plus our brand new interview with the one michael jordan and he was shirtless. So you definitely want to check this out. Tanya most exciting thing you ready to see tomorrow. Resolve ed erin. Gave me the florals. Do what i'm gonna give you brad pitt. Anytime he comes on stage. We are ready. You guys you don't wanna miss it. Watch tomorrow we'll see on daily pop on monday.

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Promising Young Mnuchin

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Promising Young Mnuchin

"Hey welcome back up vaccine. I'm steve join me this week. With gadgetry pila. Hey steve how're you. Doing you know fifty fifty this week. I'm concerned though. I don't think i'm going to dive into the other Oscar winners are oscar nominees from this year. I think i just put my foot down immediately. I'm done yes. This kind of our post mortem on the oscar season. You could say well the best. Why bother with the rest. It's true exactly also joining us admiral. Sincere hello steve. Alot people have called you a promising young man. How do you feel about that. I think i'm neither promising. Nor nor especially young this stage so i i would question the sanity of that sentiment. Okay so so hear me out. We do a gender swap re booed and it's disappointing. Old man you like that see. That's that's pretty accurate at this. Yeah i yeah. I think so. Where we we've got something. I'll work draft my father to chip in for the screenplay and we've been gov that'd be great. Yeah i'm sure he's got plenty to add to that your whole family to i'll cough your sisters that'll be good. Man got a lot of stories to share. Also this week. We've got a prestigious guest as the editor in chief of film inquiry christie. Strauss's here kristie. How you doing yeah. Wow prestigious stages. That's right now that can go one or two ways. Either you are legitimately prestigious guests or just in terms of the quality of guests typically bring on like the upper echelon. So you can. You can pick either way. I'll take as a compliment. I know people also call promising. Young woman prestigious might want to choose your words better. Steve potentially procedures potentially prestigious while myers. Can we gave it away here but sorry this is. This is the podcast where where we are going to. Thanks to the cries of the masses. Who were like. Hey you didn't cover the twenty twenty best picture nominees. You covered different best picture nominees but not those. How dare you and to which we say. Yeah well fuck you. It's probably not going to happen but we are going to cover at least one of them. So yeah i guess promising. Young woman is a movie that was nominated for eight million oscars and beloved by the masses. And maybe i'm a bad person. But i think it's a colossal pilots shit. Christie can vindicate me here please. I don't know i'm going to say also pile of shit. But i was definitely very disappointed in this film but i watched him. I'll describe why as we go on. But i think that's a little harsh but it's not good we got we got to play into the hyperbole for the audience. They get riled up this shit. it's a work. it's a big work. Yeah no okay so for real here. I think part of it for me was like my expectations going in. I assumed it was like kind of a twist on a typical rape. Revenge movie and the problem. That i have going into this was i realized about five to ten minutes in that this is not a revenge movie at all nor does it have the progressive message that it seems to think that it has so. If you haven't seen it yet i mean i guess. Put your spoiler earmuffs on or listen to different podcasts. This one's not for you but the core of this movie like literally. The bulk of the running time is our main character whose friend was assaulted and later committed suicide and as a result she goes out to bars. She pretends to be drunk even though she's stone cold sober men take her home and then when they try to take advantage of her she says. Hey buddy. don't do that. Gives them a stern talking to and then leaves while doing absolutely nothing as far as i can tell to either fuck shit up or maybe make any sort of meaningful impact and change despite numerous occasions where she has the ability to I i feel like. I'm completely missing something here and i tried. I tried my very best to get on the wavelength for this. And i realized that you know catharsis for this type of stuff and come in different ways in different forms and i was trying to give it the benefit of the doubt for me. Personally i love. The stars are blind by paris. Hilton the songs. So i figured that would be my way. Even that can save it. Yes that's where. I thought you were going. I think we're going to say the bulk of the time was suicide. Sort of bo. Burnham romcom romcom to. I say it's an even split fifty fifty between bo burnham romcom and not killing men so what you got. It's a thriller without thrills folks. We love it's great. Yeah i mean what what. What am i missing here jake. It's it's funny. Because i mean yeah you could say steaming pile of shit but like i was just so massively underwhelmed by this movie like I don't i don't know what the the masses that raved about it at sundance in the ninety percent or whatever it has rotten tomatoes like seeing this. I don't know how anyone can walk away thinking. Oh my god this. This was satisfying. This was the film that we need. The metoo era rape revenge film. We have a voice a new voice in the director. And i just i i was just so massively letdown and then ending happens and then i was just angry that i that i kind of watched it. It's really it's just such a bizarre inconsequential movie to me. I don't know i mean i i'm i. I generally cannot grasp what people see in this movie theory. I feel like this reminds me a lot not necessarily totally but the composition. I feel like it's up to the same school as our old friend. Ari astor where the thing is very obsessed with composing frames and a lot less concerned with You know executing a themes having any sort of actual coherent thesis. Because i don't know i almost i. I also tried quite art. I watched it yesterday. And i was like okay. I could see how this could work in a different light. it doesn't read as any sort of prestige year. Anything like that but maybe if this was like slap a bloom house label on it and play up some of the b-movie energy. It has at times and you might have something that could be enjoyable. But then again we'll get into it. The conclusion hits. And i said wait. What what what the. Fuck the point of any of this. what what. What are we trying to say. What is what is going on. But yeah i do want to monopolize time christie. What do you think so. I was really looking forward to this because obviously everybody is constantly loving it. But when i wash should i was just really really disappointed. I really gave it a shot to for for a while. And i was enjoying it i but i just you know there's something about it. It just doesn't make me feel good. You know. I mean there's just kind of a miserable movie in every sense and it undermines its own message by the end and it just makes it kind of feel empty and i. I don't know it. Just it didn't feel empowering I feel like what it was going for gets lost. And there's definitely things. I like about it but just overall when that horrible ending to but when the ending came it just i would say i left the theater. But i wasn't in a theater. I left it feeling Just i don't know kind of made me feel miserable. I didn't enjoy infected. It's like the movie we need right now. I think too that there's just something about that. I just doesn't leave a good taste. Like yeah no i. I totally agree with you there. Because i don't know i it really does. That's the key to it. is it completely undermines. Its its thesis. And i think a big part of that is emerald. Fennell seems to have this extreme version to like most displays of violence doesn't seem interested in showing it which is fine. I mean that's an approach you can take. And i'm not asking this movie to last house on the left or something okay. But because carey mulligan character doesn't enact any violence against these men that she's trying to get retribution or work through some shit. Whatever she's doing we find out that the only violence that is like actually shown to us or given to us or we see the effects of the violence that happens to carey mulligan. Basically like her friend is killed. She's deeply scarred by that experience. To the point where she can barely five and then by the end A the shitty ending. She's the one who dies for the first is she. Actually she pulls out a knife and she's going to carve nina her friend's name into the guy's chest to assaulted her and then she ends up getting smothered and the only violence that were shown in the like woman empowerment. Movie the hashtag girl boss special. Is we watch carey. Mulligan get smothered under a pillow for ninety seconds. Just watching it just watching it. I mean that's the sort of thing you could pull off with. A different tone is something you might see in a particularly nasty grind house film but way this is framed in the conclusion is more like her intent was to get killed like she the only way that she could capture agency was through death. And i don't know this deep sort of helplessness in cynicism that this movie he seems interested in exploring. Let's a couch it in this ending. It just doesn't work permit. I'm not even talking about the fact that the protagonists is killed particularly unpleasant fashion. I'm more talking about the very end with these emoji. The emoji ending. It's kind of like what are we doing here. You think the sundance crowd just like went on their feet when they saw that winky emoji cuts to credits and they were like what it crawled under my. It feels like the again. There's many ways this could have been approached but if your aim was to really drive home. This sort of helplessness and lack of agency. Wouldn't you have just ended it at the wedding without this sort of posthumous retribution undercuts. Basically everything you're doing not to mention to women have to die for a man to potentially get arrested. Rami not arrested. But like we don't know what's going to happen to him but the whole film goes into like this whole thing about how like the criminal. Justice system is just so flawed. Like with it when it comes to retribution for women because her friend kills herself. And there's like this whole case in all the legal systems completely fail her and then when she goes on this avenging angel suicide mission. It's like she's. I don't know somehow. Forgiven how the legal system works in is is hoping that that will come through for her after her death. Even though it's already failed her best friend. I mean this is a movie that could just be fundamentally approved by having carey mulligan. Kill people for for two hours. I it opens up with this weird little bait and switch where she's brought brought back to adam brody a place and he starts to go down her and she liked snaps out of her stupor and she he realizes she sober. And then it cuts to her walking down the street and the cameras tilting up on her in like there's what looks like blood dripping down her leg in her fingers and i thought oh the things got messy but it's just. She's eating like a jelly donut or something and then let later on. We find out. Oh she's not even killing anybody. She's just talking to them after they get called out and then she leaves and that's that's the whole movie. It's it's completely bloodless until the very end where the only violence is inflicted on her Yup that's i mean. That's pretty much to be fair. I was more disturbed by the jelly. Just randomly strewn everywhere i mean. Who's gonna fuck adult like that. It's disgusting come on forgiving part of the home exactly exactly just letting some jelly donuts scored all of your leg at absolute monster. Yeah it's so and also like we should say that like the only other people who kinda get hurt are two other women is. She has her her best friend from the school. Eros allison brie. She made like confronts her in a restaurant and then makes her roofing her and convinces her that she may have also been raped in a hotel room. And then she goes and sees the dean of the college Connie britton and then like convinces her that her daughter was just picked up by some guys older than hearner currently having her way with her but then she quickly reveals those to be to be fake. As kind of like ha ha. Now you know how it feels. It's called girl power and that was pretty unsettling those actually one of my least favorite things about this movie. It just doesn't make you feel good. The fact that she would do that to these women again. It just undermines everything it takes like what she's doing it takes the a ton of empowerment completely out of it. It's just a strange decision. You wouldn't you couldn't you very easily just cast at least one of those characters as a man. There's no real purpose to them. Both being portrayed by women no well. There's also the attorney outplay by alfred. Marie molina which this is also like just winning the least credible scenes for me as where she goes to his house. And i think she brings some muscle with her to rough him up by like as soon as she walks in he just is like overwhelmed with like the guilt of the the case not going her way in. He's like just this Subbing apologetic mess and she forgives him on the spot which is just such contrived bullshit to me. I'm sorry that lying that that whole bit made me angry that that she would him that quickly and be that he would like him. A lawyer would just break down crying. That happened and the thing that drove me nuts with that too. Is you gotta remember like every single character in this movie is just a caricature. Okay yeah so if you look at the men that she You know Gives a stern talking to. There's a guy in a fedora. There's the lovin guy. Plays a dude who does cocaine and talks about david foster wallace like haha. These are just like caricatures like museums almost of shitty dudes that you would see on twitter instagram. And then when you get out molina. He's super apologetic. And then like you said she's like oh okay. Yeah whatever. I forgive you. It's fine and then she doesn't utilize the fact that this like world class sleazebag lawyer who has suddenly turned a new leaf and is deeply invested in writing. The wrongs perpetrated he. She doesn't she doesn't use that at all like that. That's where i figured they were going with it. It's just like oh so now. She's going to partner with the lawyer and then they're gonna fuck over these. No none of that. Whole plan all along with kamikaze mission. I guess and call the cops even though this is a movie about like how violence against women is bad extensively in this universe and also you know the cops have failed her and what the cops do suck at. Violence against women is bad. So why are these two things that you fucking four ground. You moron why. I don't understand. You wonder that it's a thesis that can carry emma especially as structured with sunny optical issues of portraying kind of the most mean-spirited grisly acts towards exclusively female characters. But i just don't get what's the fucking point is date rape is bad. Yes fucking corset is but say something else. Please just do something that that's gotta be. what like. i'm i'm guessing. Most of the people that see this movie grabbed onto is that they don't they it it just. It doesn't say anything. It just kind of a spouse as it seems at you and then people just kind of say. Yeah you know what men can be shitty and date rape is bad and they see it as a good movie and then they they champion it as this like the supreme feminist texts of the year. And it's like like look in the deeper implications of every single thing that happens. You can't just say that this happens in it's bad and and all is good because you support the movie. it's it's just. It's it's like the text messages sums up it's just so it's a completely empty and hollow gesture. Yup that's it man that's just it it's like a good movie is not made when you point at things that i agree with. That's just you know what if you frame it. Perfectly center shot you know then. Adam christ pose. Yeah it's cheating has the christ posers. The like the like the hail. Mary frame is behind when she gets the phone all all that. It's just very like. Aw blunt we love our catholic iconography folks. it's great. Yeah yeah. I just again. It's like everything is so serve surface level blunt and obvious. And i've i haven't seen a movie in a long time with less to say in a less interesting way i guess and maybe i am being a little bit too hard on it. I just. I think when you combine the fact that i did not connect with at all and i think it's it's deeply flawed and just not fun just like grisly unpleasant and then also the fact that everyone's like yay and that that just pushes me over the edge just breaks my brain. I can't i can't handle it. That's that's what i'm with you on that. I feel like the the biggest problem with this movie is that it decided. At some point it was an important texts like this feels like something that could have been a fun rape revenge. Be moving with something to say. If didn't foreground that something it just. At some point it decided that it was an important film and then twitter decided that it was right in that belief and it became something. If fundamentally does not have the chops to tip law now and this isn't some scrappy indie movie either like i feel like it was positioned as this. You know this independent darling like oh out of nowhere. We're being whisked away by the indie majesty of promising young woman. Fuck no this was written by an established actress word within the studio system. And if you look at like headlines for two. It's just like the movie we never thought they would make. Are you fucking kidding. Me studios have been probably just like tripping all over themselves to be the first studio to release like the official me to film and here it is just like trotting it out and i feel like we deserve much much better is really do. There's so many holes to this story to Similar to make a sheet. Obviously we've talked about how she doesn't do any violence or anything but this is like in this one town. And how many times does she done this. Like she just keeps doing it. Meant keep falling for this. It's it's strange that. She's i don't know like i feel like that would have gone out somehow. Like there's a woman that like. I don't know how many spots in this town she's covered or how many men she's done this with. Yeah and we see her her little notebook where she tallies off every night and one of these quote unquote incidents occurs. And they're like there must be hundreds of links just pages. Filled of tally marks That that are in there. And but like yeah. That's a good point accounts like all these guys. Just keep fall in this quiet little town. It's not like this is set. Nellie or anything. I i don't know where the set honestly i but yeah it reads like some fucking northeast ivy league city or something which i is another issue. I have with the film. Frankly is is that it really hand waves at having anything to say about class but does not every character in the film is intensely privileged. Essentially and i. It's just an odd choice. Why is our main character. Half why do they have to be special. You know they come from this vast wealth the top of their class so the best that everything shut the fuck because the movie was written by a rich person. That's basically all they know. How about we make this about a normal person who strove hard to achieve that. It was taken from them by these fucking entitled astles who ruined her friends life and her own and instead we have again the exceptional people. Yeah and things like that too. They're all teed up man like there. It's right there and then the movie is kind of swings and big big whiff. There's a lot of directions that you could go with. This is that they simply choose not to. And we would be remiss if we didn't talk about what this ending is the ending of the film because it it starts with this. Grisly like suffocation of carey mulligan's character and then because the movie is obsessed with this kind of music video aesthetic and creating a guy is creating trailer moments more or less it bombards us constantly with pop music and then it's just like who we're playing this song which is fun but then guess what the scene is in fun and we get this again and this and this is how the movie confuses itself because it pitches itself as darkly comedic but what it is is. It's just like you just get tonal dissonance and through that incoherence you just laugh at it. You're not laughing with it okay. This is like when you when you take your your dvd copy of the room and you flip it over on the back in. The one poll quote is is like a dark comedy from tommy was oh no no. He didn't know it was funny. This movie it thinks it's funny. It's not we're laughing at it. And so when they burn her body the the guys who the guy who suffocates are in his in his bro- they take around the woods and they like make a funeral pyre and burn her to hide the body. They're just like a pop. Song starts playing and then like we see her hand reaching out and it's like what is the tone of this. What am i supposed to think or feel. Am i supposed to be sad. I don't think i should be laughing. But i feel it overwhelming urge to just it's so fucked up to deal to like position yourself as dealing with serious shit and then that's the direction you choose to go. It's madness. i was just going to mention the structure. I know that was an obvious transition point but maybe not just yet because that's another crazy issued him it is. It's so tied up in the stupid fucking tally lists structure like. Oh we're gonna we're gonna make this obvious act structure nonsense but it's what it conveys is that she has a list. The five people who she can fucking get retribution on the make make right for her friends Rape and suicide. And what does that mean. This is obviously a hugely systemic problem. That she is dealing with. And what uses this one administrator. Look at your revenge on this one administrator why what about all the other administrators just a structuring. As this sort of list of five people is not fucking kill bill. There's no five people who've wrong during this situation it's insane down so on on on what What steve said. Because you mentioned that like a lot of the a lot of the film is kind of shot for like this trailer made moments and like the one thing people are praising especially as like the The cello cover of britney spears's toxic which is also in the trailer but people are also like praising the the aesthetics of the film itself namely this like kind of like very spring pallet pop visual thing that going on which first of all it's barely present in the film maybe it like stands out in a handful of shots but also like if the film itself is tailor made for like making trailer out of the all these like composed shots. The film reviews are tailor made to respond to it with things like oh this is a candy colored delight but it's actually poisonous. If you bite into it go see this film immediately instead. Darken bitter comedy. And i just i again. I was like this is just so a dumb thing that that just kept popping up every time somebody would praise. This movie is that it's just as candy coated like pitch black masterpiece. And i'm like no no. It's not at all. They would laugh with this movie. I i didn't even realize. I was supposed to not a funny film. No no at any of the jokes. I again like. I laughed at parts where i don't think that was the intended effect but Yeah and it was more like that grown. Laugh thing you do. you're just like Yeah yeah. I don't think it knew what it wanted to be. Honestly it just put out so many different in so many different directions in had this you know obviously what it thought was empowering message but just the total changes in all these narrative decisions is just it. It's so funny. Because i have so much to say about this moving. I wanna talk about it. I have nothing to say because it's just makes me. You wanna received inside myself for something but yeah it's just not a good movie going experience. But not empowering though when a woman takes it a tire iron to a guy's car and he inexplicably sits there for forty five seconds to let his truck get abused before time. I've done it. You know they decide. He pays for young side to he. Missed a spot. I was. I was yes cleaning so hard during that fell. I gave myself a concussion. Why did that seat exists. Shouldn't that have been like levied towards someone who had something to do with the plot of the film instead of just a guy who's upset because she like passed out in the middle of the road. Yeah sounds like us do it or you can't just road that's not good. I mean he could have called the cops. And that's the ethos of this film. I don't know she loves cops. Apparently that's she can't get enough of a gateway to send them evidence. Call them to arrest people. i mean. yeah that's the director has power mad. Emerald fennell i mean. We mentioned that like she. Has this aversion to on-screen violence but apparently she consulted with a cop about how long it would take to smother somebody under a pillow. And it's like her kassy's murderers shot in just one unbroken take that is like two and a half minutes long as she's just struggles under complete silence into the darkness of the sheets. It's is that's like a metaphor for the whole movie right. It's like she talks to hop and ask him an avocado murder someone but she uses it to like violet. Sita gets woman victim in her movie. I feel like it says more about society. That policeman is considered an expert on application. Then then the film actually says about that. That interview is more than anything in the movie. Only shit oh my god but yeah. I agree with you one hundred percent. This movie doesn't know what it wants to be or it thinks it knows what it wants to be but like everything that it's showing us and telling us in doing is antithetical to that so it comes off very confused. Plus this is a real like rough draft bullshit to whoever edited this together. I guess they should get a gold medal or something for working with something this kind of messy disjointed and turning it to something semi coherent. But it's just it's a fucking mess. I would say to do not bother with this. If you've gotten through award season you have not watched this. Do not watch this shit. You can do so much better you better listener and if you're listening i know you know you're better so don't do it. Don't do it. you deserve more. You deserve more. Thank you thank you all right. Well you might be saying. Podcast hosts if i can't watch promising young woman. Whatever will i watch. I need neoliberal girl boss. Feminism in the year of our lord 2021. Wherever do i get it from and to you. I say you need to embrace me. You madness film written directed and starring louis linton. And if you don't know who that is. It's steve mnuchin. And if you don't know who he is google him he's a ghoulish man a gazillion air from the trump cabinet and film producer and a disgusting slug of a human being and all the salt in the world. Can't make him dissolve. So wouldn't you believe that lewis linton. I think what she did here and chrissy. Tell me if i'm on the wrong path because i'm pretty sure this is what this movie is. She saw american psycho and thought. Damn that's cool. Took every like wrong. Possible interpretation and message from that and due to gender flip girl power version and it is fucking whole larry. You wanna talk about like tone-deaf okay. This is where death goes so far around up. Its own ass. That becomes a transcendent form of art. The likes of which you have never seen kristie. Why is this the best movie ever made. Oh wow no. I think that you accurately described that Maybe not best movie made but it is just. It was definitely took me. It took me back. I did not expect this movie to be what it was the best way to say but in a good way it was a lot of fun and it was just completely bonkers but i think she absolutely washed american psycho. It was like i'm gonna. I'm just gonna take that up one hundred notches up and just have a blast with which which it was a lotta fun not like the last movie we just. It's weird too because these these two movies. They make a very similar mistakes throughout their run times. But the difference here with me you man this is it just takes it to such an extreme degree that it just fucking works for me and it just. You can't look away from this movie at all. And if you miss ed westwick dancing. Every time i looked away he started dancing. He's got some fancy feet in that in those boots. But yeah it's funny. How like this movie just completely ends up winning me over like by the end of promising young woman i was done with it and wanted nothing to do with it and of course here. I am four months after watching it. Doing a podcast. But this it's like it's just so weirdly abrasive but it just like i'd say abrasive working for you but it's like loudon expressive but like it just starts doing this like goofy looney tunes shit. The third act. And i'm just like okay. Whatever this is fine. I'm having a good time. Would you say goofy looney tunes shit. You're not exaggerating like there's actual like sound effects like just like real real impressive fully work here. I don't know like oh shit like that at like ten minutes of the film is like a fucking duck season rabbit season joke that is true and also kind of like looney tunes but then also they break into dance. So it's a little bit like footloose going on. It's impressive in the directions that it goes in and the way that commits things. I mean i'm trying to think of other movies that i've seen in the last five ten years that ever even get on the same wavelength. Is this the only thing that's coming to mind. Is the greasy strangler which is another movie that kind of assault you abrasive -ly with gags and then just like beats them into you to the point where you're like. This isn't funny. This isn't fun and then it just becomes funny. It's hard though because this isn't a grimy movie it's very slick and it has a little bit of like mid budget cheapness to it and the best part for me is this is made by a gazillion air. Who's married to steve mnuchin and is completely out of touch with reality so the entire time. I think she thinks that her character is sympathetic. But not at all. It's amazing so again something like this. Where the movie is saying one thing. It thinks it's one thing but it's saying and showing something completely different. That totally fucks up promising. Young woman but here elevates everything. It's my mind boggling. This movie that doesn't have any pretense of an important absolutely not. No i said. Is it the best movie ever. But i feel like we're in the minority. Because i noticed this has a seven metascore which is uniquely low. I don't know what the tomato meter is. But i do feel like you're in the minority. That's about right so yeah twenty. Five percent film critics are good. I was looking at the medicine official twitter account earlier and they were like re tweeting positive reviews of the movie and it was incredible. Because like almost every single one is from an outlet. I've never heard of before and all of the The positive things they said about it. It was just edited together because pretty much people who liked this movie critics. They're all like i don't know what the fuck this is fucking insane but i love it like that. That's pretty much the best reaction that you can have this movie message jake when i was watching essay. What the fuck in my watching half hour into awesome. Yeah it just alike n cheese upfront. About how just awful she is. She's got this A patrick bateman must norman bates norman patrick bateman voice over where sees just completely describes herself as this vain narcissistic like girl boss bitch of a woman and but like just just by leaning into it for the whole nine minutes at this runs it is. I just worked for me. I kind of amazed yeah. It's is impressive to manage to essentially acknowledged. You're trying to make american psycho except from a female perspective. And i don't mean acknowledge it like in an interview or something. I'm talking about this dialogue in the film but managed to make it not about society at all and to also take like what is distinctive about american psycho which a lot of respects his said ellison's like elaborate descriptions of like pop artifacts that are inserted into both the novel. End the film and to distill it to just listing list of movie goes on and on and on and yeah just diverting it into a droning logistical instead of like any actual that does say something about how societies and well. Maybe we're not giving this enough credit for for actual deep message about the modern society and its vapid nature. I don't even know if it has a message. Because i think it's just fucking clear that up for you. How is this. Not about steve. Mnuchin and louise linden's actual lives. You can't tell me they don't shop up bodies and just keep them in their giant weird mansion with white furniture. Now i'm trying to look online. Did mnuchin actually like have anything to do with this movie. No he wasn't listed as a producer at all. he's not a producer. But i'm sure he had some sort of guiding hand here he had i. Yeah i mean he probably put some money behind it. But he's not listed as a producer which is a bit of the towel when a guy who has made his mark in hollywood by being film producer and his wife is doing this vanity project. He's like have fun honey. I'm going to be over here playing attention to what you're doing young so i. I wish there's more mnuchin in here. Because maybe he could add some creative input with his like satanic lizard brain that would have added even more holy shit and also promising young woman again like people in the positive uses people the composition at the beautiful colors path to you. Want to fuck look at this thing man. It's a neon nightmare rate. All they did was. They rented the stupidest mansion in malibu that they could possibly find and then it's either in that mansion or then like or they switched to some weird sound stage that's just blasted to shit with neon lights like a rap video. It's incredible ernest mentioned. It looks like a fucking science lab satellite property for some kind of apple or tech company. That's that works in the hills or something. It's it's something for sure. It's just garish. The whole thing is garish abrasive. But it's it's doing something you might say like. This doesn't i assume they spent i. It's hard to say because it doesn't look good. I mean it doesn't have a lot of like now coroner's cuts and it's very amateurishly edited and But at best. Yeah obviously there is money behind it because they seemingly licensed approximately seven hundred popular songs for the film so i i can't imagine how much it would cost. Oh yeah if you thought that was the whole budget promising. Young woman had a pop soundtrack. This thing has like are there so many hit songs but like a lot of them are played in full like the credits are run over. New order's blue monday while she's driving in james bond's car and she named checks it as such. It's crazy. I feel like it'd be like a special rate for fucking steve mnuchin wife to licensees to do orders like Triple the corporate to use our phones. Like how many zeros do you want on this check. That's it yeah. It's funny too because there's only i mean what is it like four speaking roles in the whole movie. There's not there's not a lot of people to pay here. And so yeah. I guess like i would also like to think. The property probably belongs to steve mnuchin. It's probably where he chops up bodies and those are the real bodies in his chest. Freezer that he's got so yeah. I think pretty much. The whole budget went to james bond's car and every single pop song written in the last like thirty to forty years because these aren't fifteen second clip. We're there's at least a half dozen dance sequences possibly more. It's not a fucking drill man. This is real shoe. Could even say about the car. I mean they might own that fucking car. These people are made them money. Oh there's a lot of cars in the whole showdown is in the garage like this neon nightmare garage that they do a dance battle with random sports memorabilia to just thrown in on a tiny little shelf at very front so type memorabilia shit. Yeah that's got his stuff. I think they're just showing. Hey i didn't know you like sports inches three. Footballs in the garage. That are signed. Don't that's the thing it's like. There's all these points where i don't know like you wanna laugh because it seems like they're kind of mocking how ridiculous and opulent shitty. Rich people are but she's a shitty rich person and i get the feeling that she thinks. The joke is something else entirely like. She doesn't know we're laughing at but it's okay because she so committed to the bit and everything about her character is so fucking weird like i can't figure out what she's doing an accent or not at first. It bothered me but then i'm like no this. This is the character this is who she is. Rich people probably come up with their own accents all the time this is this is what they do in there fucking psycho meetings but yeah i just. I couldn't help but think that the whole thing is completely autobiographical like if you if you gave me an hour in a room with louise lynn. You you telling me she wouldn't try and murder me and eat me lewis. Lynn is scottish for what it's worth. So i dunno british like twenty percent of it and i don't know what kind of accent she was trying to do or if she was trying to bury her original one too. I think that. I think the ladder feel the scottish kind of like bleeding through this. Like attempt that american. I it was repressed scottish accent just trying to do generic which might be. She speaks every day. That's say well. Hey you know what you wanna talk about feminism. Nfl is there anything more feminist than not one but two fart jokes hammer from a woman's. But because i think we've done it folks. We've the patriarchy is crumbling under the power of louis linden's flatulent but cheeks dacian of patriarchy for really like. That's that's what this movie is just like. It's that fucking stupid but anyone who says they were not entertained by. This is an absolute stick in the mud and is lying to themselves. Okay so unshackle yourself from the chains of prestige cinema and embrace the louise lynn. Steve mnuchin girl boss fart movie. Okay this is the future. Maybe oversold at a bed shows and tell people that she feeds. There's also some feeding of people unlike for promising young woman. She's actually murdering people in this movie. And is starring in in cooking. Yeah just discriminate about who she kills either. So it's just if you're route to her basically you're done for i love it when she's listing. When they're going back this one this one would do with this windy yeah just keeps going on in pedophile republican democrat independent and when she says republican ed's They do like you have to have a little knowing pause like wrong also much like promising young woman this. This movie is extremely online but again in a weird fucked up way that makes it just funny and stupid and somehow endearing sometimes in promising young woman. They're like okay. What's every internet stereotype of a shitty guy that we've all heard ten thousand times before inserting into movie and here louise lind was just steve honey on instagram. What everybody like on instagram. I need i need everyone. Is everyone's a bisexual person who talks about their mental instability. Okay that's my character. That's that's she just like that. Those are two characteristics. I am bisexual. And i am a rich psycho. And that's it that's all she does here so great job. Thanks louise so i. I guess if if promising young woman is twitter's girl bus movie than me. You madness parlors right. That's that's the answer is it. This is it yeah. This is the parlour girl vase. This is tommy laurentien. Bloodlust the movie. Also you know what lewis linton can dance. I've never met a republican. That can dance so we'd have to work through that but fuck i don't know man. This is just it's it's something okay again you you might not love this but do not dismiss it because there's a lot more going on underneath the hood than with promising young woman so i dunno chris. We're we're not crazy are we are. We haven't been overcome by the madness It's it's absolutely absurd but it's a good way. It's so bad it's good but i think it also probably feels like even better because you're comparing it to promising a woman It's like wow that was like soul-sucking this was just like a high energy. Just absurd injection of fun existence. So yeah i i do think it's something that the movie on i. I love it even more editor. So many gags and it's just some of them go on for so long like there's the final sequenced goes on for like fifteen minutes or twenty minutes of like them potentially fighting or issue going to kill him and then they're just like talking they pause for water. It's just so absurd but it's awesome where she knocks him out and then wakes up and like she hits him with a tennis racket and then he wakes up and she's got the stress on and he's like you changed outfits costume change. She says he's been out cold for ages. I got bored this sort of like. It's it's almost like a za`z comedy kind of big knowledge. Is the madness. The me you madness the meeting. Yeah there's there's a costume change in this movie for every scene inside. Yes i don't know. I i want to say that this movie shouldn't exist at its. It's a monstrous blight. And it's kind of a shows us the waste of capitalism. But i suppose what would i rather that lewis lynton and steve mnuchin spend their money on because it's probably something is going to bring a lot more evil into the world this film certainly so on that its success. I guess. Congratulations on wasting fifty million dollars to licensed music for your fucking friedberg and seltzer. Fucking american psycho. I mean yeah if you consider the alternative is like. They could've spent all that money. That fifty million dollars to fund a super pac to like lobby like bombing yemen or something. Maybe not does make this feminist. I don't know like. But i think i think ultimately like christie nailed it where promising young woman is soul-sucking as the flip side of that is like soul fucking. It's totally different experience with put thank you. That's also. I know you're you're like you don't have a lotta good like paul quotes for the dvd release or whatever so if you wanna use that one you can you can have it mnuchin better. Pay me though we better wrap things up so we gotta door put overs. And i'm gonna start. Because i'm afraid that someone else is going to pick this one if i don't get to it i for real if you wanna watch a great revenge movie from the last few years. There's actually a movie called. Revenge came out in two thousand seventeen. It's it's violent it'll give you that catharsis it's certainly more empowering for women and a more interesting story than either of the neoliberal nightmares that we watched today. So yeah i mean is it. An explicitly feminist taxed. Probably not. i don't know but you know what it's a hell of a lot better. And it's a great movie and made me in two thousand seventeen should have got an oscar. Not apparently but it has a fully nude man who's like covered head to toe and blood during the sequence so that might disqualified it. You have blood or don. You can't have both inadequate emoji. Usage in the finale is true yeah no emojis or dance sequences. unfortunately all right Jake would he put an over this week. Gosh i don't know if i've recommended this before but i'm gonna i'm gonna recommend an actual dark comedy just released on blu. Ray is a bill. Murray's quick change the only film he ever directed or co directed he stars as a bank robber with Randy quaid and gena davis. The opening twenty minutes is him. Robbing this bank will address in full clown regalia and it's really really good and really funny. It's also Basically at this point just a hidden gem in the bill murray filmography like most people. When they pick their favorites they go to ghostbusters. Or whatever but i think this is one of his best films that nobody talks about. So it's now got its due on home media so checkout quick change with bill murray that one that was like my favorite bill murray movie when i was twelve years old and everybody laughed at me because i didn't like ghostbusters as much as i like. Quick change. But i i feel like it's coming back around. Yeah that's right it. The haters one of the funniest line readings is where he puts all of the the bank patrons in the vault and he starts releasing them out one by one and like this asshole manager says It's my turn to go next. And bill points a gun at him and says it really is in your decision mr adolf hitler. Like aeneas line reading all right mirus. Woody put note of this week. I thought about revenge myself but i think i'm gonna stick with with my good friends at bloom house because i like to watch a horror movie. That is actually fun- So there's a female driven horror comedy genre. Bending sorta film in in a in a similar vein to what promising young woman promised call happy birthday. It's it's a lot of fun. It's kind of a groundhog day sort of thing. I think we've probably talked about either. Its sequel at some point during the course of this podcast. Sure watch that have a good time instead of trying to pretend you're watching something important. I like that What are you putting over this week. While i was going to throw her revenge but now now that was just a movie. I loved reviewed that when it came out and she would obviously popped up. So now that i'm on the spot pick something else. This has absolutely nothing to do with the subject. But just because we lost olympia dukakis last night Watch moonstruck and don't watch. I'm wild mountain. Time as i can double wreck to do something not that works. I like that. And i like the second for revenge to sorry. I still your thunder there. But you know. I'm not sorry that's what i said. I was going to go first. So i could say it so i apologize. Yes that was the intent. Okay i'm gonna. 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The Pond Theater (The Little Winx)

"Hello welcome to the end of january with the pond theatre. It's the little things that matter the waking up early for all although i wake up early just all the time like maquette wakes me up arrive week. Ups for some reason around three or four. Am so. i didn't used to getting up early. These guys they had to get up at six man. Why do we have to get to see these movies. All they like them. But i chase and we got carrying justin here audi folks and Yeah no. I just got up an hour earlier than i normally do during the league. That i knew i knew it was going to make a dent. I had to get up pretty early. So and i tried but i was unsuccessful in being able to watch Palmer all right. Well i mean. We'll we'll get through them. The movies ecorse today will be the low things. That's the biggest out of the three. That's the one that was trending on twitter role. Start with that That's the new movie on. Hbo max with denzil washington The joker from suicide squad. Jay leno and also rami malek the other knee rap. Romi rope yeah. The bowie movie. I'm not crazy about. But i was the other ones. Oh yes so palmer and then also the dig which the interesting thing is all three. These movies have some recognizable actors and actresses in the cast. And that's what they all share in common so it'll be interesting three of them from different streaming services to add palmer of Apple tv plus in the dig on net flicks. So that is something just talking about and of course while i was getting ready for the show there have been to new story. That just broke because we are talking about try may be able to cover these movies and the problem of staying up. I'm trying to see how i can make this work. It just that the sooner you talk about these movies the more. They'll trend in the more. You'll get their Add the thing about what what is probably priority that that may have to be through the coming weeks because there will be more movies or they'll be like three films released ones actually in march there will be four films. Released forbid big movies released on march third and that is actually no three because the never mind we're going to talk about the ending of one division which that occurs as far as march was revealed that the third spongebob movie is going to come out on march sixth or march fourth but the first week of march on paramount plus so i just discovered his a nickelodeon streaming service and the new spongebob movie with keanu reeves is going to be exclusively on an interesting probably gonna trial for that movie. 'cause i'll be in also gonna be on. Cbs or is that part of the parts cbs. I'm really. I don't know there's all these streaming services now i mean everybody's got plus the bt clusters plus plus plus plus the discovery. Tv plus. i know. I saw that promotion for work. Yeah there's there's a plus for bed details if you want to stream the latest new veggietales show yet to be on a up plus no. It's yuppie arts division of things the other big movie to release on march that we just got to reveal four. Was the snyder. Cut justice league his coming out on march eighteenth on hbo. Max and i'm debating. Whether or not i even should even give a crowd about that movie but up to you guys if you really want to brace for hours of. Zack snyder's vision a a main. I'll of intially watch it just for curiosity but we don't have to review it if there's like other things that are on the docket so come out the same day wall. Say i i'm not gonna do. I might ears what will add because it comes out the third weekend in third weekend. That's the premiere of falcon and the winter soldier. And then there's another fell bed just those two things and same with the last the last week of march the only movie that's coming out is godzilla vs king kong. So if i do decide to watch. Zack snyder's justice lead. I think i'll have a review for on the third weekend. And then you guys if you wanna talk about it on the fourth weekend if you guys some extra time kazaa i wake up early and you know. I just jack on three's movies. I don't know if i want to do that. Zack snyder's film though Said that would before okay well. Dc fans are happy. They're over it. So i i i have to be like Here you go. This is your dc movie. You always wanted out of all things that are coming out. Forget suicide squad or anything else. That's the movie that will make the dc universe. You're i'm so pumped for james gunn suicide squad i am. I'm like way we hyping up. Zack snyder's justice league. Look at what. James gunn is during like. I know there hasn't been a full trailer yet. But there's clips you do have some footage an idea what that movie is going to be in. I'm like yeah. I'm really start for that may i. Let's go on because we got three movies. And then plus. After that. I'm going to talk about fate. The wing saga my even divide that into its own thing bud. That's been number one on netflix. This whole week is the gritty reboot of the wings club series at your thoughts on that itself does what we got starting with the anything else going on. You guys want new update. Actually one more thing in movie related news. I'm also going to be speaking with an actress on this coming wednesday ripe for the gaming tadpole and try to get hurt I will try to get her name right but she is going to be in the next tyler perry production but also in a new disney plus original movie called sneaker rela playing a pretty big role like she's not. She's not one of the extras in these films. Like you know. I'm gonna be the the person waving on the side now In both of these role end she was also on the oroville. The the spoof of star trek the seth macfarlane chill were which that that. I'm i'm not a fan of at all. An alley watched the first couple of episodes. That was You know. I've heard people say though that they find out more of a star trek show than star trek discovery wall. I think people are more into nostalgia. In in the that you know i i talk to. I interviewed someone earlier. Said yeah. I'm not a fan of the marvel movies because they're not like the ones they're not like the stories. I read on the comics. That i try to talk this person like well. You should expect things to be different than they're like old. I paid comics. They used to be so expensive. A like i'm paid so much money for these comics in the have the movies not be you like the Comic say put so much the best material. It's it's highly disappointing and like so for those. They're like hey you want. This was not the star trek. That i remember it starts. I mean there's gonna be those people that they based quality off of. How much is like this. Yup that's that's almost a big portion of internet fandom and people upset because it's not the same as the thing they fell in love with. I'll tell you. I watched the first episode of star trek discovery. I didn't think it was that great. Either but i heard from some people that got better over time and so i've done season two tremendously better and i haven't seen season three. 'cause i canceled my. Cbs subscription but the actresses. I'll try to get her name right. Young yawn senate jones and again she will be an sneaker ella which will premiere on disney plus some time this year as she is in tallahassee rufus again playing a big role so the that's too big production release for you know independent actresses so i'm excited to interview her next wednesday at all the good stuff garon airway the little things. I was looking forward at us. Because hey denzel washington you guide rami. Malka and i wasn't a fan of the bohemian rhapsody movie. But i think he's a good actor actor when you take him outside of that zone and jared leto. I don't know. I seem in a couple of films. I don't think he's that graven wall. At maybe i haven't seen him at his best Let me tell you. There was one netflix film. I thought he was great at but the film itself sucks it was that i forgot the name of it was the film were. He was kidnapped by a the japanese or the it was right after some time after world. War two where the japanese they him into prison and then finally let him out and he started working for the yakuza. And i mean. I thought that movie was bad because it was so offensive to add japan. General stereotyping as the just nothing but cruel gangsters and things that just don't really relate to our country that has much nicer than over here but it wasn't even it was directed by a guy from germany's i don't yeah. It's not a good movie. But i thought he was good at in etes and he was hardly saying anything in the movie But it was. It was his his his subtle motions dialogue and his Just bay chal animations that i died word excellent. I was like wow. This guy can really pulled up but every movie. I've seen him him. I'll say they'll to that come do my mind. Our core suicide squad and blade runner twenty forty nine. I thought he was bad in both of those movies. 'cause he would always be so over the top in some way were. I cannot take his performance seriously or any of his dialogue. Because i'm like okay. You're overselling your character too much now. Here he plays as a criminal and denzel washington and run molecular kind of a team to figure out what's going on with this guy locates going on. That doesn't exactly the way they'd hope our dental washington. He's great it regardless of the movie. He's in his good. He is great minutes. I think if there's one thing to meet we say he's great in this as well like every time. Denzel washington is onscreen. I just stop and go like your youngster washington. What you have to say. I am here for you. Because he shows his material at everything. And it's just really incredible. No this guy is capable of no matter. What he's in whether he's a cowboy whether he's fighting thugs in that one action or that action movie series was a that equaliser the and seeing him as a as a deputy. Sheriff i y que you might. He can command the he can command the room. Just as you just a great actor all around. So i was looking forward to him doing cop business. You know in a time where black people in cops. They don't have the best relationship to see a black police officer at some level of young kick by and be able to take down the evil white guy. Or the while the yeah. You're play reversals. On that no but just to see the see that I'm not saying it's like a year. We should so the nightside or cops. No i mean cutler. The police the police system is corrupt. As heck and broken. It needs a huge overhaul. But i mean there are cops in the air their cops out there. That aren't like trying to I'm not saying. Oh i'm white so i don't get i'm seen like cops out there. That are nice to black people. And i think it's important to show that site as well banana to be like see. There's nothing wrong capstone at This whole thing is about them doing their jobs and and try to take this crackdown. Who is dear. Little suspected to be the murderer of this case that they're gone for. I like okay. I like to see how this murder case goes through. Well i law what do you. What are you guys. Think about this. I mean like you said denzel. Washington is one of our best actors still working today. He's one of our few movies. Stars still left today and no matter. What the movie is you're right even at the movies not completely good you are invested in him. You're invested in his performance but nine times out of ten. He'd sells me on a movie even at the movies. Not that great like he elevates the. He's one of those actors to me. He elevates the material just by him being in it and he's played a similar types of roles before. But i'm picking up what he's selling i am. I am into what dinsdale's doing here and rami malik. Yeah he's a talented actor too and man. Detective role is perfect for him with his face. Because you know. Romney valid always looks like he's so sleepy. This is a good night's rest so playing a detective is kind of an interesting role for him just for that. And yeah i think jared leto is a decently enough talented actor. I think that he takes this. Method approach a little too much and he doesn't need to do it and it just makes them come off as a little bit of a jack asked people because of the antics. He's done interesting. I heard that he did not pull any of this during the filming of this movie and i asked in zell about it and denzel said if he had we would have had some words. I don't know what that means but it means dunzo would probably kick his back. Because that's the thing does a lot of denzel washington commanded screen. Because when denso's talking you wanna listen to or else if you don't he will come up then you which does even shown in this film to. I mean that's the thing that's a what worked about equalizers. The fact that he'll give you pep talk for keeping your bud And i have to say. I was a little surprised because at first i was like okay. This is pretty predictable. I think i know where this movie's going. But i was generally in suspense for the last Twenty minutes of this movie at least until they get to the like the the day you mas you call it like the climax but that that tin there's some good tension in this and I think it's a competently made well made thriller the if you're dinsdale fan. Are you like these type of procedural cop movies. I think this is a pretty good recommendation to watch this weekend got hbo. Max see after the subaru goes. I'm praising denzel ally and run melk. I think he's all right a months. I mean i think. The material that they're given denzel is able to elevate everything while rami malek not so much. He's pretty forgettable. In this in going to jared leto watching innocent film because the whole story is he's suspected to be the killer soon as you see him on the screen. You're like no. This guy is the killer because he does a terrible job at hiding as sinister 'isms and nollie that This dude like i am. I am beyond not excited. My excitement for more bs was naive in there but it dropped dramatically seeing his performance in this movie. Oh i could care less about more bs than you're right this on screen your light. A course this guy's murderer full. He's he's always like he's he's doing that. Like the blade runner twenty forty nine or performance where. He's just kinda going like hell. My plans are coming into fruition. You won't stop a except he's doing that also and alike Talking like a drug addict or something like that and just kind of going all over the place but his performance is bad in the slake it kinda Takes the almost the real. Isn't i know this is movie. Wants to be a movie world but you you get the ultimate movie road from him because were and ryan mallick. They're taking the role seriously. This guy is so over the top. He's pretty much a cartoon and having those two against each other doesn't fit with me and then you get the all the other Cast members this. I mean nellie. More essen and terry kitty. Another cast members really sell a either. They're just there. It's really between these three at. I think because of how good denzil washington is as an actor. It's enough to make this film rights watchable. As far as recommended. I would say no because the the whole mystery is too so predictable in flats that i just don't feel interested like whenever denzel is not on screen at my attention to the movie is to starts to turn off and that does say against remmy malik when it seems about him but again he doesn't really command a screen like denzel downs and he's going at a lake. Whatever the script is giving them. The script is pretty mediocre. And i wanna come the end. I was just central stead. I was like it. Never gone the point where it's like bam fund. It's a movie that is just there. I would say only to watch on. Hbo max if you watched everything and you're like you're gonna watch something else on hbo. Max but i bet you've done their denzel washington films you can buy on streaming even ones. They're just kind of okay. I would i would watch. The equalizer wanted to over this because this is just so citizen coffee. Oh justin go ahead of making a dumb joke. that equaliser tutor should have been called the equalizer. The yeah when it comes to Mr denzel He's the best i mean. I don't even think people may not like his movies but they never ever say. Oh and denzel sucked in it. It's always solid always elevates performances. And i'm not a huge fan of rami malik. I don't. I don't understand why they won. Best actor for hima and neither that was that one. Yeah you know that movie and then they didn't even nominate in edgerton for rocket man. So yeah that's a way. Better job in my. Yeah so he should have to oscars you know the oscars there anyway. I'm just saying if. Robbie malik got one oscar for bohemian rhapsody. They should've gave tearing edgerton to And then when it comes to let. I actually really like i i know. Everyone hates his joker and All that but whatever He also deserve his best supporting actor for dallas buyers club. In if you haven't seen that you should definitely see that super yan mccullough hanging out an oscar for that as well. Yeah yeah Yeah there's this movie just like guys formulaic. we've seen it over and over and over again This is you know the war film detective If it wasn't for the stars in this movie this wouldn't even be talked about because it's it's just so you know so one no We kind of do see what's happening and what's coming. I'd be like the end though. 'cause you know not to spoil spoiler but it doesn't doesn't Really leaves the you know wanting to know more or at least let me in an hour but I mean this movie is different from what this has done before you know like they their banks and the rookie and stuff I mean it's just it has all the right material to be a good movie and that's really all it was just a good movie. There's nothing special about it Except for denzel. I actually liked leto performance in this. I think i don't think if he was a bad actor then denzel want to necessarily allow them to be in the movie. Those teams i mean he has he has maybe his characters a little too cartoony. But i believe that's what they were going for and i believe he nailed what he was doing. So business we don't really matter I really enjoyed the scene in the car where they're both on the other side of the highway. I really enjoyed that moment. a lot. but Yeah i i. I agree i mean it's it's a so script but i think denzel washington makes it more interesting war and yeah you can say all the things and rami alex fine and he's okay and yeah. I think exactly they were going for that tone whether you like it or not. I think that's what they wanted from. Jared leto and yeah. I was literally. I really liked that last bit with the car sequence and all that i really enjoyed that and i think this is a perfectly fine weakened thriller to check out on a streaming service. You're not gonna love it but if you're a denzel fan or you're into detective stories you're probably gonna. You're probably going to get something out of this. Are released latoya saturday night. It'd you have. Hbo mex- there's no reason why you shouldn't watch this. I mean this isn't dollars a month. You got to watch everything Well yeah but it's also it's definitely worth being free you know i yes. I'm glad that i watched it earlier in the week and they'd have to strain my eyes to watch three movies this morning. And have this be one. I was just glad that they had it up early instead of like what they did with wonder woman wasn't going to be on till noon new on christmas day by the way that one christmas week i guess it had the most views that week wonder woman. I think for matters. Now what are you going to give. I will give it a decent because again or denzel is the reason i i even invest might soften When it comes through the suspenseful scenes where i mean when they go near the car also Immel trade the house. There's one or two police officers a trying to look in when they're looking into the case and progressing because they're trying to discover the killer in the fact that takes place in nineteen ninety that leads to some room of playing thing laiwu the fact that it is set in the nineteen nineties that removes the a the use of smartphones or modern technology than people in the police force would use today. Which means that. They're left to experiment more. Would just there there whitson the whatever technology they have what them which. I think. That is cool. Yay i was bored. When denzel was not unscreened a just because i just didn't find much interest in the rest of the cast and just the the the dialogue so i give a decent if i mean if you really to see them. Hey it's it's not bad bad. I don't think it's that good either cardi. I'm going to give it. Give it a solid good. I'm just a sucker for denzel and these type roles and i love These type of detective films these procedural trying to solve a case. It's not it's not very memorable. It's not going to go down as one of the best. But i've certainly seen worse so i think if you're denzel fan or a fan of this genre you'll you might get some enjoyment out of it and if you're bored this weekend give it a spin off and justin solid good solid good definitely would that the while on the next one is since The other movie that you saw carry that all of a sudden that would be the dig will go. Hindu led the dig which is based off of a true story back during the world war two in great britain. You can tell without even looking at history. This takes place in the united kingdom because all the actors in the smell they go cherry hill ho yet. Or whatever canova british slang at whiteman saying british slang. Like pitino cheerio I know i don't know my british by british missiles like a wine when it should be a don't even know i'm gone out about british stuff but this wall even though does take place in the uk. This is actually about a family. A this. i'm trying to get to the dig beckham. All on mead scope passing a no no. that's only cried all on ola. Let me this is not the right one i was doing. Oh let's palmer shoot room the dig ahead right here. How shoot. I forgot to put on. The dig are k. So i'll do the in archaeologist embarked on the historically important excavation of cutting who in nineteen thirty eight. yeah that's carey mulligan really jane your other british people. I know other names. That bunch of care. I know the to leads and i know who lily. James is the night saying the actor that plays lily. James husband has that been chaplain. Wall he Is her dad in a movie. It's weird that they played a couple. Okay i know that the sorry about that guys but yeh as you were talking about it's also based on a book too so base on a book does rim bay about the story of this family finding a rich both thing going on around or in their land they eventually find a ship which are to believe could lead them to some riches so they go on this prematch throughout the film. You just kinda see the family and You know some Business people hanging out digging for the gold riches whatsoever history that they'll find and meanwhile some family drama garner. I'm where i find. Interesting is during the beginning of the film they actually find one of them buried and that was the that was the most tense part of the film. Because when i saw that i was like holy credited they dug up alive. Man who was buried in there yeah. I almost choked on my coffee this morning. When he's like digging and then all this dirt just falls on him. I was like oh dallas so scary. Yeah no i that was. That was scary. Moment that he fell in there then later the they would find him. They would dig him up and they'd be like holy crazy dead and luckily he survived. But that was still a foley cried. I don't know that person goal. I don't know actually in the real story that was based off but if it is that would be like. Wow that's a that's an intense moments survival to be boston dirt's to be to be dug up a but y'all Guide that tha-that worked out now. There was someone when someone else who reviewed it. They point in that while there's a lot of heart going on a lot of drama but of a character development With the family they described the movie as like sitting on sitting at a bus. Stop for a long while The important thing to know about this movie is that yes. The whole film is about them digging up this one spot near their house and whether or not you're going to be okay with that completely up to you. I read that say is that i'm all about character building and growth between different Tick the phone keeps going up. I'm all for character building. And i think the relationship between the family is quite nice. A see in the kid The kind imagining what. The a site could possibly be because they also have a british kid in here as well i think. It's a swede Seeing the family get excited for what the possibly discover down below the deep dir. And then the whole debate about okay. What do we do with all these riches and all these findings do we sell them for profit. We put up a museum in does give you a nice insight for those who are into archaeology. Or you know those professions and while yes that could be a a a a type of watch that might seem unexciting. I was just kind of charmed by the family here. Because i think that's what drove me to the interest of the movie. Besides the curiosity of what could be down below there. The james now. She's been in movies. I don't think our grave but she's been in films. I like those vile and she's great here and what's cool is barely recognize. Her and i think that's because of her hair and like the makeup she puts on a moment. I didn't even realize that. Was lily james until she turned a vase out like oh wait. That looks like james probably james. Then you have. Some other cast members here kerry mcgillion ralph Fines johnny flynn ben. Chaplin can scott Yeah victim cast is great here to yeah out for a movie. That is almost two hours worth of lots of digging. There was a point where i was like. Okay where is this going to go. And just when i was about to say that. Then that's where we got a really nice discovery or i won't smaller anything but it was just something relaxing to watch. Because you're just looking at a nice view with some very kind people Building themselves off each other and nali that but The man who has buried underneath the sand just the curiosity of lake his continued interest in wine to discover. What's down there after almost suffocating in the dirt and are there better films about digging. Probably but it was. It was just something that i watched in just a with with just a happy smile on my face i felt good about. I mean you talked about films about slice of life and all that. It's not a category of Movies i'm particularly fond of because that doesn't mean that that's an excuse to have the movie be two or three hours lying Just let to shoot something and you just watch it. And there's eventually a story going on that. I am not fan of at all but when it's a slice of life were you. There is not a lot of action going on. you know there's no explosions or anything. It is literally people digging in one spot in the hogan's deeper and deeper they keep finding things out of it but while that the family and the people doing business with interacting with each other and it is just nice. So i just felt joy in seeing and watching this and Yeah i give it a saul good or what about you guys. Go okay here again. We have another movie that is elevated by the actors involved. If you just told somebody we made a movie about a group of people digging in the dirt trying to find some ancient ship you'd be like okay. Whatever but like you said shays. This is just charming to watch. It's just nice pleasant nice watch. And they're my cup of coffee. Watching lord voldemort dig in the dirt. And he's quite good and of course he is. He's a great actor. And then you got carey mulligan here and the the drama between her and her son and his curiosity with things. It's just very nice than it's just engaging because these actors are so talented that they make it engaging because yeah there's not a lot of plot this is all character development this is. You could almost say if this wasn't placed in the past with actors. It could almost feel like a documentary. Because we're just exploring his extra excavation. I will say that there is parts of the movie that did kind of drag for me. I was not completely invested in the lily. james carey mulligan's cousin romance subplot that was thrown in there. But i likely james. She's the talented actress. So it was fine but i was just a little confused why that was in there but this is a perfectly nice movie and these actors make it engaging to watch so i agree. It's a good movie just Well the james whole storyline was not even needed in this movie at all. Like if you just cut out everything. 'cause she's married and they you know you can tell that she's really into the relationship but just love his work. If you just cut that out like nothing would change in this movie it would still be. You know pretty damn good movie as we know. I don't watch trailers. So i had no idea what this movie was about and once it started out like what why am i going into it but it is so damn good. I really enjoy this movie. I like the acting in it The whole you know story and they've combination. I didn't find it boring at all and yeah refines so so good in that The cinematography in score really stood out to me. And the but the whole landscape is just gorgeous and apparently these mound It's not like they dug a hole. They took off the mound. That was gr- that was what they covered up over the ground And apparently they're all over like suffolk england stuff so I mean people. Should they'll be digging and trying to find what they can find. Who knows you find finally shift in this one. I really like when they went. They he was saying about it. Which is like somebody had to put the ship on the rollers and it probably took a really long time. they get from the rivers. That this You know the spot That's can you imagine doing that back in the day. Like that would have been your job or something but this is a really charming. You know really sweet Really simple and it just moved really quickly for me and I enjoyed every minute of it. Yeah i agree. It's an absolutely gorgeous movie. Looks great that scenery. I didn't know you could make. England look gorgeous but wherever they are it looks incur beautiful. And you got talented people in the end. Yeah it's the nice pleasant watch. Make you a nice cup of tea and sit down and watch the dig. All the other thing is just as you mentioned the of their investment into what they fine digging site. It's interesting our the Just the adults but even the kids they look around they just kinda watch. Imagine what they think is in this because when if we were to see ship that just so happen to be underneath our house. We be like holy guys to come over here. There is a shib underneath the dirt's in my backyard. Home oh my gosh we gotta figure this out like yeah. We were watching other people. doing it. Were like oh okay all right but we would probably have that sort of wondrous excitement that they're doing had this happen to us but Yeah go go ahead. Resenting elsa defense there's other parts of movie that aren't on the the forefront carrying about other people that you really don't even know you know 'cause they build this relationship and friendship and they don't even know each other. He's been because of a job. You know that they really care about each other and and find the relation It's it's also bad because you know carry. It's thickness no. She's not you know her character. Was you know in inner son doesn't even know it yet no there. There's a lot of other stuff. That's underlining that you have to dig up but it's a really good. Yeah and i think the friendship day develop is really nice. Because you know there's a point in the movie where they bring in an actual archaeologists to oversee the dig but carey mulligan parties. Like no i want. This guy still layer. Because i respect his opinion and i respect his skills than his profession to be there. I want him there and the guy never even got any credit like. That's not why he does things right. And at the end. I like how they showed that you know people are going to know his name and there's a reason for it. Yeah i agree. I mean it's a nice piece. You don't really hear much about it. And especially that takes place during world. War two is right on the eve of it because nineteen thirty eight. So yeah you have the impending war coming in the backdrop of this neighboring point over. Yeah yeah that was dose. Another tons per the film won a plane to slight game down. It was like police crime at so. Yeah it's yeah. It's a nice film do you did he guys renting's or i give it a high good okay wrong or it's good it's good it's a good weekend watch You know sit down. On a sunday afternoon make poverty. Sit down and watch the dig. You're gonna like it's delightful even though they're just digging. It's it's a good movie role. He has also delightful. Justin timberlake Maybe not. I don't know. I don't know justin timberlake personally but every time when i think of is film the films that he was in a i mean all of them have been family films in very grade family films. I mean i remember him. Instruct third on an and What's so he's been in some not so family films. black ink. Mon bad teacher the social network. he was he was the guy that created napster. Whatever his name was. Hey yeah never mind. I was just giving the guy who who was the troll. Hang out with anna kendrick. But yeah i forgot. He was in social networks reminded. He's got it but in this he has also taken on a more serious raleigh actually plays eddie palmer hence the title coming out of jail africa main crime in throughout the movie. Actually get to discover what that crime is but mainly jail is like. Okay what do i do. you know. The fact that he's he hasn't finished his parole or Still got some restrictions being that he's still label as a criminal. Jobs aren't easy to get so he gets this Idea to neither. He gets to help out. A kid that we discover is gay a pretty early on trip. The what that's not true. Never ever said that he's gay well they don't so the film see the film doesn't like it out but the thing is where even show is just because he likes girl things doesn't mean he's gay and that's not why okay he's not yet. Okay all right. Well the thing is the i was. I was saying that. I know the thing about him is then yeah he. He likes girl things a. Yeah i i myself. Yeah we allude whether or not he's gay it mean it's not even answer if he likes is in the boys or girls house just like things that are what girls usually light wants to be offensive. Yeah and kids hates him for wanting the prince. They bullied the crap. Adam so justin timberlake Like i'll be the chaperone. I'll be the The real quick so he comes home after he gets out of prison and he goes through his grandmother and his grandmother's june squibb and he ends up having sex with the mother of this kid and June squibb died so he has to take care of him because his mother is druggy. And not there. Yeah so he kind of had to take on this responsibility old. Yeah big guy you he was. He was looking for something to kind. Kinda fills life on because the one he went through and regarding that. Yeah that's something you discovered throughout the movie as the health problems with the sam's parents played by Allen is a kid that we focus on here. It's you know. I wanna say that it's very sweet with just integrally and writer alan together. I mean the fact is that may have arguments from the very beginning and he doesn't have arguments. Keep disapproves of sam winder do stuff insist that he the overtime he games some fondness for this kid that he is worried about how he's being looked at so that becomes an interesting discussion with the idea of cross dressing and the whole thing. I mean yeah you could say we'll be There was nothing in the film that says that he was gay. But you do know about the similar experiences that actual gate kids in have gone through in school gang bullied for coming out or a seeking the the interest that is a normal not normal but What the school kids deem as not normal. And that's that's the said. I really like these two together. One part where. I actually got emotional and it was towards the end which i won't say much but i did. I teared up for just a what could have been heartbreaking. The problem with this movie. The big problem with this film for me is that as much as a wants to be endearing and emotional it's movie tropes takeover that for me. What i mean is that we're guarding him. Getting bullied everything the acting outside of two just internally writer alan. They're kind of corny. The kids who bully him their cartoon bolt there were like the bullies from power anders. That's how much. I just don't buy them. Though the ways that they are end with the hell. I mean the health not just the health issues but the conflict. With sam's parents. I think can be very believable. Kids again you do have those kids who grow that trauma of experiencing parents who don't get along and they got a lot of credit Somewhat violin even they. I mean they act in a way that is really scary but it it always wants to Wants to have that happy ending to the point where it gets real silly with An anomaly that begin real silly. Bellsa gang-ruled predictable. Because i've seen movies like this before. Were year you have the bad got arid someone who has done bad things. These trying to be better. And he's got his own friends go. Hey man don't you miss doing this thing come on. Let's do this thing again. And now i wanna change kayode. That's not me anymore. And then later on. He does things that were like the old home. Which vino criminal history going in the film earned going on the phone when you see the film. It's like okay. yeah. I saw that coming but i mean they're rules. This film even sets up and demon talk about some of the things that i felt. Were unrealistic of the movie. I may be spoilers but there was something that it's gourds the point where i i was emotional. That emotional scene was later followed up by ending. That i was like okay. You pulled that out of your bud just to make everything work for everyone when you see the relationships between these people throughout the movie and how they don't work. Yeah i mean it's it's like i'm mentioning these issues and yet i do like the film. I like these to the other person i like in this movie is actually a palmer's new addressed or kind of london dress but the the black woman who shows up later who bring any burrito Yeah i was thinking. Like aleisha willing right or june. Anyway aleve shed. I thought she was great in that she. You remind me of those really nice. I guess Aunts a young answer again at caretakers for kids even though that's not her profession but she has that jazz that light Were loving attitude towards kids at or most the civically sam lake the relationship between alicia and sam. I liked that between just leash. Because at this point this is where we get a palmer's moment to try to change and he realizes going out then he's got issues he's trying to solve a not perfect great things going on the film but again the the whole idea of being a movie role as we we can go too deep with there we have to still be relatively Soft and give us a relative just a very ellen say junk food but just a happy go lucky part towards the end of it and the other thing is with police officers there. There is a point with the police officers as well. I mean i'm not going to get into a bed. There's a certain plot point they bring up with the police officers them like okay. I i know the police is corrupt. But for some reason i just don't buy and yet it's a film were i wanna eleven and still i dislike which is really weird. Considering how good justin timberlake is in this movie for his performance deletion or wainwright and also writer. Alan and some the other side characters in spell say the ones that are weak to me or or the mother and the bullies but Yeah just yet say I don't know this is really sweet. Movie Yeah the dynamic between him and the kid is awesome and that kid is so damn good in this movie Fan the guy plays sam. He's just fun and he's he really just enjoyed his wife and you know he just wants to be a princess. Yeah joking. Timberlake is really good movies. So is wayne wainwright I actually really enjoyed. Juno temple performance By the way this is directed by fisher. Even who's an actor. Mostly so i know i was shocked as well but This is totally. This is a good movie in. It's super simple and sweet. I mean it does like you said it really close out in the ending that you know from there from the behind. But i don't know. I mean you you pretty much sign at all going to become some and he wants to change his life and get back on track And you know he's having a hard go at it but he's also not given like necessarily the best opportunity because the fact that it is you know somebody that is on parole He in not get a job easily and turn coin the movie where he wants to like. Take over at like caregiver for the kid. And he can't because he's on parole But this is just a sweet movie. I love the dynamic between the two Yeah i really enjoyed different I like all three of our members. Are we talked about today. And i like the one just as much as i like the digging. Most i'll say this is probably to honor than the little things. This is probably second. Place i go. I didn't enjoy it just for all the the interesting things that brings up. It's it's still Into that movie. Formula that i'm the slake all right i i Yeah i just for some reason. I just can't get over or forgive that Despite they do like a again. Just timoleague writer allen alicia wearing a right i when they're sitting at a table get there are parts where you could see them as a family. I thought that that You know some other mother building between jefferson and writer. Than i thought was really nice. I thought the movies that leads us to me. Tell you guys about wings. F- have you guys ever heard of the show wings club. No have not. So i do so. I do remember the wings club. It was a show that premiered on fox kids slash four kids tv which was an old t in old a network program on the. W when warner brothers had its own Television channel are still do is just merged with upn. And it's the cw. Well yeah i mean it it's Merge with that. But i mean back in the day when they had their own animated shows for kids. I mean all these shows that were premiered on here eventually. Went on to either cartoon network or nickelodeon. That's that's what i mean is like they had their own show for kids. Earn that show their own platform for kids. Though is the late nineties. Early two thousand was late nineties to the mid two thousand two thousand seven or eight or later on land that Program eventually went under something happened with an or just stopped. And then that's when all these shows they got a different channels so wings club when from wb to nickelodeon and it was a show. I i will tell you. I'm not a big fan of the show. Myself may cause through growing up. i thought this is just barbie. But with the magical powers or anything. It's a french animated show about these girls who go do magical school will again a their own sort of very powers using the fight the forces of evil in the end while they go to school when they get home school they like to hang out and for some reason this show that is just so innocent kids nikola liens like this show's been going on from two thousand four all the way two thousand nineteen. Let's keep it going by making for adults they're like hey riverdale did it riverdale them. A relatively friendly archie comics sabrina. Sabrina did their people like the sabrina show. Titans at never mind. Yeah i haven't. I only watched the pilot for titans. And so i don't know that's worth watching. I always saw the trailer. Which i'll say was on the funniest trailers i've ever seen for something that i i do. Like some of the dc shows that dc did for their own network now on hbo. Max you're all give a doom patrol chanson all that it just may watch titans. It's just that. I just saw the a titans looked terrible to me but i mean all these shows they wanted to follow the river deform. Let's take something as relatively lighthearted or if not lay hard some hard to it. Let's make it gritty. let's make an adult I guess i'm however like let's do the wings a When you do watch it on youtube you're like okay. How are you going to pull this off. This show looks like it has meant for little girls. And you're gonna tell adults go. Okay well to do this. They had to reboot a of course and you probab- the only thing the thing that people know about the show mealy while one. There is some controversy. And as because the original show had a latina and asian character. That in the live action are rated reboot while ma rebooted they were placed them both with white characters so a form of whitewashing which is an ongoing thing in this thing now in the slab. Do they have the same names or did they just replace the kale to replace some. They replace them with different care. Because also the the latina in asian girls. They had names that were for Even replace their names to those. They kept the black woman. So hey we're not completely racist so we got that it stirs aggo clown as bloom. Peter's sixteen year old buyer theory. Who was raised by honor of by human parents. She is the first year student at apia in a roommate mermaid later she discovered she is a chang of other things. We got here but yeah. So in order to reboot this. They're all in this British academy what. What i find funny is that she is half human half a half. A ferry That turn she's the only character in the show's speaking in american axiom all the fairies. They're all british. Emily okay so that's interesting and with all the people talking about why are there. No asians are Latinas in the show while also why a white the united kingdom because this is also a french shirt. So i'd figure hey if you wanna go to the roots. Why not take place in france or something like that and now only not only that but have almost everybody speak in a british accent except for the main character. There is something weird about that. I i don't know why but and then they'll the academy is in the original show. They all hung out in what looked like a new york type city in this. They're in pretty much. A briton castle. Hey i'm talking about this. Like i'm i'm mad the chain. I don't give a crime. Because i didn't grow up with the wings. But even if i did i'm not one of those people who does looks and do something why for it to be everything like the original thing never get that mindset. Let's just not for me. So i went in this doing my best to take the wings out in his look at its own thing that being said from the very beginning of the show won't that's when you realize okay. This show is not trying to be. Its own thing at all. It's trying to be again riverdale. A maybe a bit of x. Men also game of thrones and this shows has no interest of being its own thing. So let's stay mealy. Shoot that down because before we even get into the remain care to as the first thing you see is just as farmer going in and just mealy show off the air the ama rating of the show he curses ladies is like all what he gets eaten by these tree monsters. Which again is a thing. Cody is laughing. Like oh the tree monsters. And which i mean. Yeah you look by the riddle. Show the slummy addresses right off the bat. Just keep the original show out again. This is not try to be the riddle show at all china. Because again you got the main characters name bloom bloom. And the main character of the originals. The wing show is bloom. Who is a fire fairy. All the main characters all different types of fairies. The water fairy is the black woman in the show. Who out the say probably won the good things about the show right off. The bat is the relationship between bloom and ishii who is plagued by precious mustafa. Who is the water fairy gives when you look at okay. Show that i hear is so whitewashing you have one black woman in the main cast. Is she gonna be that friend there. That friend type occur. You know all those kids shows when they have the main characters white. They have that one black friend is like. Hey i'm your black friend. And i'm like dad i. I'm not a fan of they flee. She is not the character in fact she is not even a mystical magical black woman Take care either. 'cause right off the bat she's like hey i'm sharing rooms with the you better listen to what i said. So she's like commanding bloom and there's one part where they get into fight and they use their magical powers and a asia. Asia kicks her so yeah they don't. They don't make the. They tried to make her empowering character. I'd get that so. I i liked that show. That gets incised. I'm being whitewashed. It is nice to know. She is playing a bigger role than what is perceived. That being said it's still a little weird that you can't have any any british ladies when they do exist. There are asian people in the united kingdom. And probably latina as well so when you look at who the shore decides to replace you. Do that thought behind your back leg. Okay white why wasn't this character. Asian or latina. Like there's there's nothing about this character makes that needs to be As it to be white the other thing is that. How will they try to make these characters. With superpowers regarding catered developments. It is flat attack gives. This suffers the same issues. That all these shows and movies with fantastical elements but try to take themselves so seriously is when you look at the wing showed the week show is kind of lighthearted and wants to be a serious drama. A serious drama where everybody is considered a ferry in talking about fairy terms in magic. And all that crap. And i'm supposed to go go. Wow this is this is dramatic. This the most serious thing i've ever seen No you're talking about fairies and you're talking about people that's things it tries to tries to add in the teen dramas well like. Oh my gosh you cheat on so and so and it goes straight for that prioritizing that over just getting to know them as people and that that's why i don't get invested into some of the dc films 'cause they they take the tone. I in characters navy second. And that's is what bugs me about people who fetishizes over the dark and gritty tone a main. That's been a debate not to go on a rabbit hole here. but that's been a debate with the dc. Marvel films does that. The marvel films tend to focus more on their characters whereas the dc tries to focus more on the universe of where the characters iran. But that's the thing is that i would be invested in the universe if i was also invested in characters. When you don't have that ab than i don't care about the universe but you got right here and that's the show's biggest issue is that it tries to instead of inviting you to be invested. It tries to make be invested. I mean that's my problem of Some the the the older dc stuff with all zack. Snyder's bellm pedal. Also these other shows that. Try doing tim lake. Just a replicate riverdale. It's like okay. How did river dillard. I haven't seen riverdale. i've seen parts of riverdale. But i have a feeling there's more to that show besides the dark tone and to this. This only sees the dark tone down like okay. We can be dark and gritty to but it's so will yeah but the show riverdale even though it's like a dark gritty lie. Basically they're like. Let's take archie comics and turn it into twin peaks. You still have a little bit of that. Like i co- con- griffey from the comics. Like the burger place they get shakes and stuff and the colors. It's still really colorful even though at the dark. Show so yeah. There's a little bit more to it than like we're just gonna make it a dark thick show and this was like no one is going to be dark sexy. This is not sexy. Because i don't i don't care does. The melodrama goes between these people in nelly the ad. But you just haven't so much opportunity here even if you were ripping off Riverdale and an x. Men with i mean the whole the whole macha or a kingdom that. They're learning from. Looks like that almost like in an x. Men mansion also just the different powers that they have an then word. The game of thrones elements. Come in. I mean with all the nerd fantasy and even the tree the tree monsters when the trees omni's when he finds out who they are like okay. Wow you just read the off of the were. Those zombies game of thrones the The white walkers with the yeah the white walkers. Yeah i was like okay all right. The are shirt just trying to add horror elements to this as well good. That's not only thing it's not only a fantasy. It's not only an r. rated drama but there's light horror elements to regarding the creatures. Because there's blind ghanaian you're just adding these elements and they're not even going together for anything but when the action happens it's okay. That's thing as as much as there are other people after like this show sucks as the worst thing ever. I never came to the point of hating the show. It in. that's the thing is the dialogue in. This is leagues miles. Better than titans like you look at the titans trailer. You'll laugh your because all the dialogue is frigging stupid here. The dialogue is more competent. But nobody is saying anything of pure interest that gets you into investing more than this character. It's just about the melodrama. It's about the fancy powers. It's about keeping the school away from the villains in la and another thing is that it's also short. It's six episodes long in each of them around forty five to fifty minutes or so and i were parts of the show. I will was liking again bloom in racial together. I wake those two whatever those together. It's fine signals to. I mean they have good back and forth together even if the dialogue is this kind of be level but regarding all the other characters especially the ones that were replaced by white like i find them super forgettable. I find a lot of this forgettable. That's the thing is. It's not bad enough to be remembered like for all the people are like madison so unwatchable no. It's very watchable. Just there's nothing again out of its derivative of so many shows that are better than this. It's it feels like a product that a committee brought together. Because they wanna be this thing to and apparently it's working. It's number one on netflix. It does have a high user score rating the critic raising i think is around thirty percent or so but the youtube score scores at ninety like people who are watching this. They are loving the show. Despite all the original fans getting angry about this show there are plenty of people who are actually are enjoying the student. Point where i am. I'm in no doubt that there is a season to happening in. Just i don't know if i even wanna stick around just that i won't even remember this season It's a so well vegas the second season. It probably won't go past the third because that tends to be a net flicks likes to cancel things unless it's just really really popular all. Apparently it is unfair. That probably will get a second season because it is number one like they're like oh people watching it. Well we'll make another season. We'll underestimate what people are gonna watch on netflix. Almost any given day. I look at the top ten in and i'm like i don't even know what that is. Our some of it looks atrocious. I'm like wire people watching this also movies from the early two thousand. You know her but they fate was on number one for a while. Though it was it was on for quite a bit. I mean ever since it came out last week fade has been trending number one people really loving the show so i cannot doubt it success than sorry getting but i'm just like yeah. I guess this is not for me because there are people who just love this tone so much. The bill be invested in everything. As long as it's dark as long as there's drama as long as there's cute guys with muscular a that's another thing another stereotype of these types of shows all. The guys are muscular attack in their parts of the ticker short off. This is made for those teams are going. You're going into eighteen. And they're like yeah just want to get some cute guys in cute girls together with fancy powers and the cg is okay. There are people saying man. This is terrible. No there are. Netflix shows with much worse animation. It's not the best looking. Cg mean it's definitely on a budget but compared to the abc marvel shows and the netflix marble shows. This is much better. Cg than both of those. But yeah i just give it a decent Parts of it. I was enjoying enough to not hating it. It's i don't get the pain bed. Vans are in watching this. But i also don't get the excitement of the riverdale. People are watching this. So is that is that. Who's liking it or those fans of that show i. Are you watching this. I feel like the people who really love the shower. The gummy the are the same. People are hype to see. The zack snyder's There are people who will love. Something is so long as it's dark if it's dark and gritty. Apparently it's made. Yeah yeah people are being serious all the time even in a fancy element about theories and in magical almanzan which is all that then. Okay then people are gonna find some deep meaning behind. There are people who think the star wars Some the deepest materials storytelling out there. So i it just because they are dark. Yeah i i don't yeah durable but not good. That is all we have next week. Of course Finally talk one night night in miami. I've been wanting to watch that in next week is a good week for that. Along with speaking of comic books and superheroes stuff wanda vision. I did to see the fourth episode. And oh boy the the the plot thickens in that show so will allow kaz intrigued by last week's episode. All this this episode will Tyson things together. I'm not gonna say anything but will say that for next week. We'll talk about episode three to five. Oh my gosh. I'm yeah i'm just you guys see that if you haven't and Oh yeah there was one other neffa-de still that came out this week that we can fit an eye but we'll watch the next week. It's called malcolm and week. Thought the john david washington and the day of rights yes in black and white. It was filmed in Finish during quarantine so peaking which did anybody watch the anne hathaway. It wasn't a bad but There's we don't need cova jokes thrown in our fate you know. And that's all they did so as a too soon. Well it's just like you don't have to heavy with it. It was definitely a rush script. You know 'cause they filmed it during quarantine as well Anyway i think it was the first one to come out except for mouth memory because i've seen it because it has Oscar buzz and in fact stuff but You know lockdown is trash compared to marie. Yeah doug limon's so weird he didn't either make a really interesting movie or he can make something that's just a steaming pile of do she would tell in and hatheway actually the only good thing about a sale until next cyanide punts on civil podcasting platforms in surpass twitter at. She's sixty four crystal clips end To talk i just did the silla challenge you guys whereas not gonna watch it. It's know anything i've been. I've been having enduring these. These trending challenges but with my own spin like. I'm not the way they work. Courteous like what are you talking about for some reason. A lot of these shout which is good. The internet child is back. Then were about killing yourself or putting type pods and or dancing next year driving car now. A lot of them have to do with sex and sexual movements. And i'm like more of that and less of setting yourself on fire and all that at least at least you're doing something that's not harming anything. But i'm i'm bob about my brain in kabul. Meanwhile you can find justin's brain in his eyeballs. just no. we're in all that. Yeah cody a filner. Eighty five in film re jackson doing all this stuff over there. Yes telmex same secure.

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93rd Academy Awards Predictions (Special Episode)

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93rd Academy Awards Predictions (Special Episode)

"The hey this cube. From the all points west podcast network. In this month you need to check out. The latest from house on fire gaby rodriguez and her co host semi gaza interviewed nobel prize winning scientists michael man about decades of climate. Change this information. That's been fueled by special interest groups fossil fuel companies and politicians. It's an incredible interview and it's up now so go follow rate and review the show. Now listen there's a couple of podcasts out there called house on fire so don't accept any substitutes be sure you're listening to the first the original the true house on fire the one with the white background that's brought to you. By the cleo institute you can also find the right house on fire podcasts. On cleo's website at cleo institute dot work only accept the best. Go find house on fire. By the cleo institute wherever you listen to podcasts All right welcome to another episode of piecing it together. The podcast where we take a look at a new movie and try to figure out what movies inspired it and today on the show. It's a special episode. Is that time of year again. We are looking at the oscars and doing some predictions joining me. This year is cat from shuffle. The pod and lat next lens and we are going to talk about some of the major categories some of the smaller below the line categories not every category just because of time but We're going to talk about a bunch of categories and what we think will win. What should win and talk about some stuff we think should have been nominated so that is coming up in a second Before we get to it. I want to remind you as always make sure. Subscribe to piecing it together wherever it is. Listen to podcasts. You can rate and review us on apple podcasts or pod chaser if you like what we do here on the show and don't forget to follow us on social media at piecing pod you can also join our facebook group popcorn in puzzle pieces where we continue the conversation about all the movies. We talk about here on the show so Let's get into this one and we will as we always do on every episode of piecing it together. We will possibly talk a few spoilers. So keep that warning in mind as we get into the conversation But it's oscar time so you should have watched all these movies now anyway right. So let's get to the conversation all right so it's that time of year. We've got with this cat from shuffle. The pod and lat next lens to talk about the oscars cat has gone. It's going good. Thanks for having me back. Yeah this is going to be fun. It has been an interesting year. Obviously very strange year but no shortage of great movies and as as we were Kind of just talking about like just before we hit record here like a lot of them are just getting to where like if we didn't catch him at certain screenings or whatever now they're all coming out like all the sudden there's like so many things to watch and it's it's been it's been fun but hectic getting caught up on everything yeah i. I don't know. I think in two thousand twenty hours just watching more my nostalgic viewings okay. Yeah yeah and then i. i don't know. I just i i'm reasoning. I usually am not like this. But i just see a lot of people watching these new ones and i just like. Do not wanna watch them at all. I knew they were going to there. Were some that. Were good and all that kind of stuff but i was just like not feeling it and then like being on this episode actually kind of forced me to watch some of the ones i hadn't caught up on and then there were some good wins and there's some early it was like so. Yeah yeah but Yeah i was a weird year. Because usually i don't wait this long to watch like oscar-nominated movies so yeah definitely out of the ordinary for sure. Well as i've done in previous years on the oscar predictions episode. Which usually my buddy. Chris crane co host with me but he obviously with the weird year that it's been. He has not really been a following along as as much this year. So i figured i'd reach out to one of my old multiple time co hosts on the show and get you involved but We're going to cover. Most of the major categories a few of the below the line categories. And what i always like to do. Because of course i am. A composer always liked to kick it off with the best score. Category and is nominated is the five bloods terence blanchard manque trent reznor and atticus ross minority emil massery news of the world by james newton howard soul by trent reznor atticus ross and john battiste so turn out because in there twice. Let's kick this thing off. What do you think should win. And what will win. I think it's funny. Because i minority was one of the ones that i just watched and It's actually one of my criticisms of the movie. There's very few criticisms of the movie. I have but it was that the score is very heavy handed in place. But i kind of think that I really enjoyed it. So i feel like as a score by itself Maybe not in the way they used it. I very much enjoyed it and then probably the one that will win. Manque possibly tresor and atticus ross. I wouldn't be mad about that sure. Yeah well. I love the minority score. I do think it should win. As far as like as a piece of music. I love it so i do think it should win will win. I'll go with the other. Residents had a kiss raw score. I'll go with soul that. That's that's my guess there. So what do you think is something that was left out. That should have been nominated. I i don't know if i'm being biased. 'cause i i think i love thinking of ending things and i feel like it. Just got snubbed. Her many reasons. But i still remember that very vividly like that music so i feel like that should have been nominated just the way they used it And it was very quirky. And i don't know. I like that one. Yeah as a great score I was definitely thinking about that one and it will be. It was not nominated for anything. I'm thinking of things but it will. It will end up on my list later for sure as most likely yours is. Yes i'll put in for my should be. I was originally going to go with gretel in hansel by rob such a long shot. Because it's just not the kind of thing the academy would nominate so my more realistic option is the mangrove score from the small x. Series of mike michael levi and that is just the. It's just a beautifully. Done scored really cool percussion. Just it's just awesome and really just helps move that story along so well and i'm sure there's so much With the format of the whole small act series that it really didn't ended up ending up nominated for things i mean. I don't even know what they eventually decided. As far as eligibility is concerned but it is one of the better scores of the year. i think. so let's move onto original screenplay we've got judas in the black messiah monari promising young woman sound of metal and the trial of the chicago. Seven what do you think should win. What do you think will win. I loved judas in the black messiah It's probably one of my favorites of all the films that are nominated and so i I'm gonna go with Judas in the black messiah for original screenplay Should win will win. I really hope it's not the trial chicago. But i have a sneaky feeling. Possibly but i'm really hoping it's not i'm going to go with a should win. Sound of metal. I just think it's just Absolutely phenomenal screenplay and that story is just so amazing. I think will win. Promising young woman. Which i think is a very interesting. You know exciting premise. And unique and interesting film. But i would definitely pick sounded metal over it as far as i'm concerned for. What i think is the best choice. I i- promising. Young women have been seen a lot of social media hype about it and that it was like shocking and everything and all that stuff and i was really excited to watch it. Because i love carey mulligan. I love emerald fennell because she You know the crown. And just the fact that this is the first feature. But when i saw i have to say i'm not really a fan of the story. Line Like obviously you know the feminist angle and all that. But i feel like it takes away. I don't know i'm just not i. I'm not a fan of it. Because of the fact that like i mean spoiler but not really She i mean. Yeah kind of spoiler. But i'm assuming people have watched these movies right. I don't like that. She kind of knew that she would die like she could get killed and like that was like her way of getting back at people and i just found that that was kind of like. I don't know i didn't like that. You know like. I thought i was like you're going to die at the hands of this guy and then get back at him but you could have done so much more by living your life in. That would have been better for your friend. Who got you know what i mean like. I didn't i. Didn't i didn't like that. And so i think just the hype and everything. I thought i was going to be different So personally not a fan of the of the it ended so i totally get that criticism there and i kind of feel the same way to be on the so but right on what do you. What do you think should have been nominated. See how this is a tough one yet is because a lot of the ones i liked are like adapted but it will say i guess and i don't know if this qualifies for twenty twenty but i really liked and maybe it's a twenty nineteen. You have to tell me like the timeline is so messed up. That i don't know but the system the system because i don't know when that came out or I can also go with this one. I don't know if it's based on anything but Barcode i the brazilian movie. I don't know if you saw it. I did yeah very interesting movie. Yeah i feel like that win. Was i really loved it. It was like a crazy sci-fi a futuristic but also socio political thriller kind of thing. So i feel like that was pretty original in my book. So i'll go with that. Because i'm not sure about the system when that might have been twenty two thousand nine so i'm going to pick a backward i. I don't think it got nominated for anything. So i was kind of upset about that. So yeah yeah. I was kinda surprised about that. But i guess it is kind of a strange movie for the academy but it is a very interesting and unique film and definitely worthy of the nomination Speaking of the not being sure about what is eligible for which year. I'm going to go with maybe a controversial choice but sam levenson screenplay for malcolm marie which i love that movie. I know a lot of people do not love it It technically came out and twenty twenty one but it was within the eligibility period. I'm pretty sure for this particular oscars. We're talking about so yeah. That's my pick for original screenplay. I liked that movie too. So i that awesome awesome. So let's move onto adapted screenplay like we were both kind of saying right. There is a lot of really great picks this year to go from. Let's start off with what is nominated. We've got borat subsequent movie film. The father nomad land one night in miami and the white tiger. What do you think should win. What do you think will win. I think should and will win is nomad land because that was one of my favorite movies That was actually surprised. Surprised me because sometimes the movies that get a lot of hype is well are kind of like a. And that. When i was i was like why i even doubt this and i. It was one of my favorites. Like it's kind of my front runner for a lot of these. That i hope win. And it was beautifully like rate in or adopted You know Because i feel like it was probably hard to adopt. Oh and the way that closure did it like wow just like masterful. so i'm gonna say should and will win okay. yeah. I love nomad land. It's definitely gonna show up some of my future picks here but I'm gonna go with should win. Is the father which is a movie that just seem so so difficult to pull off and that that screenplay just absolutely works magic with the premise. And also i would imagine Adapting your own stage. Play must be a difficult thing to like bring into a different different. Kind of format will win. I'm to go with borat subsequent movie film which there's precedent for it and you know every once in a while the academy tries something a little different and i think this is an example of maybe trying to do that so and i'm sure nomad land is going to win plenty. Yes and not mad. I think i would agree with you on the father Pick as well because that went actually blew me away to the way i if and i think i liked it too because if feels a little quirky Like in a weird way. That's like a weird commentary. 'cause it's dealing with obviously he's he's Dementia and kind of losing his mind a little bit. Because he's what he the disease he has but like. I don't know the way it was done. It was really I really liked it. A very intricate and the way he used the sad to kind of like lay in the mind. It felt very charlie. Kaufman did not get nominated for best stopped at screenplay. I was like well. At least this is the closest one right all right and so by pig fourche showed it got nominated or you know is charlie. Kaufman's i'm thinking of indian things. Of course me me too. We both have talked before on this podcast about how much we love. Charlie kaufman's working. I absolutely agree. That i'm thinking of anything's. It's insane that it's not nominated but It is what it is. You know these these studios they pick. Which films are going to campaign for and for whatever reason this one just wasn't one of them but you know i guess perhaps a netflix's though for actually giving charlie kaufman money to make a movie again. So yes. yeah yeah was. I think he got snubbed. Really badly he should be in this in this category. Oh yeah absolutely. And by the way to the point that you made do think the father. And i mentioned this on the piecing it together episode about the father. It definitely feels like something. Charlie calvin would've had his hand in and that's part of what i love about it so much. Yeah yeah yeah. I didn't expect it to be that. I thought it was going to be like straight drama. And i love bolivia coleman's i was like i'll do it and then like but Yeah it surprised me as well like that. It was that like. I don't know that kind of mine trip thing but they did it. Well especially with. The fact is going through that disease. Like what a brilliant way to like. Do a new angle on it. I think yeah absolutely so. Let's move onto best director. And we've got thomas winterberg. For another round. David fincher from manque lee isaac chung from a nari khloe zsa for nomad lands and final for promising. Young woman would have for Should win and what will win. What should win is nomad land. Because that was seamless in the way she utilized the the interviews. And you know like the kind of the documentary style feel but it feel is very cinematic in a way and i don't know i i loved all her shots in this movie and it made it feel like like i said from from the story initially like reading and i was like all this might be a little bit boring but the way she was able to make it. So compelling and Yeah i i'm going with the closure for should win will win. I don't know. I feel like sometimes they do this thing where they might give it to someone who I don't know has david fincher juan. Before as he or is he one of those at snub. I want to say that he's been snubbed. Without looking it up. I think he has not won. So i feel like this might be like a martin as type thing right right. Yeah i feel like Possibly he might win for For mink which. I love david fincher and i don't know if you should win for this one but if there's a time to give it to him maybe they're gonna think it's this time okay. Yeah that's fair. I'm gonna go with should win and will win for closure for nomad lands. I definitely see your point. Though with the the david fincher thing. I could see the academy doing that kind of thing but yeah i think it's clue as your though. I think. I think that she's got this one locked up and as we've been seeing these things don't always mean anything but all of the awards and all that stuff. They've all gone to her. And i just i think it would be crazy if she loses but i guess we will find out but what is something that you think should have been nominated again. I'm going to say Charlie kaufman that movie is just. It's just so good I know the story is just. I guess he suffers from just being too out there sometimes and maybe at face value people. What was that. I don't like it. But i think just every viewing you realize how much how good it is. And so i feel like his directing and also the writing is sometimes overlooked And not appreciated so. I loved like how he what he did in that movie so i feel like he should have got nominated as well. Yeah i i love it. I love it so much however not my pick for the should be as much as i love charlie kaufman. I do think that the movie is a little bit four. Charlie kaufman may maybe for the hardcore fans. One thing i one thing i noticed about twenty twenty there's a lot of amazing Debut films lot of first time filmmakers and one of them that i think would have been great to nominate was doria smarter. Sound of metal. That film is just so amazingly put together and just the way that tells the story in a way that's like unique and and it really is just firing on every cylinder from the from the sound design to the acting to the story to everything that comes together in that film I just think is just done. So expertly and Just one of the year's best so let's move on to the acting categories and we'll start off with supporting actress. We have maria. Buck lova for borat subsequent movie film glenn close for hillbilly elegy. Olivia colman for the father. Amanda see freed for mink and you-zhong yawn for monari Who do you think should win. And who will win. Who should win. I have to go with my clean Olympia coleman i mean. She's already one. But i feel like she should be up there with those two time. Oscar winning actress is i think she would probably be I don't know how many there are. But maybe julia roberts and meryl streep's won a few. So i think she's just as good and i feel like she should get it But i think will win. I think i would not be mad about this either maria back. I mean she's one some of the words leading up to this. And i don't know i think if you do that type of movie and what she had to go through. You deserve it as well. So i won't be. I won't be mad with either of those that would be great if she won I i agree with your should win. Livia coleman definitely is who should win in my opinion as far as will win. I'm going to go with the man to see freed from bank. I just think that she see it. Seems like the performance that would get awarded especially in a supporting Supporting category it just feels like the thing that would win to me and i have nothing more than that to say other than just it feels like it's gonna win but do you think should have been nominated. Yeah oh there is a lot of is hit to make up my mind. I wrote like a bunch of them. And then i'm league. How about you go first. And then i'll. I'm going to finalize my sure. Sure well my my pick. I think should have been nominated for this. This was definitely a little bit of a tough one for me. They're like you said there's a lot of great performances this year but once i thought like felt like they would actually get nominated. It was kind of a little bit tough to pick from I'm gonna go with olivia cook for sound of metal. Obviously i loved this movie so much and i love olivia cook. I mean everything that i've seen her in. I just think that she is such a great actress. One of the best young actresses working right now. And i just think it's such a strong and varied performance throughout the the time line of the film itself. And there's just so much to the character. And i just think that this would be a great place to Actually start recognizing her for the great work that she's putting in. Yeah i did have her on my list because The sound of metal. Like i don't know. I it was it was like she was in in the whole time when she did. I kind of longed for her. I mean rhythm. Ed is very good. I am not saying that. I didn't like watching him but like she was very captivating. Onscreen have to say. And i i. She's one of those actors. Like i've seen her before and i had to like liquor 'cause like where where was it but i remember she kind of stands out and everything she does Somebody kind of piggyback off. You say that one to kinda help narain on it that that works for me I let's move onto best supporting actor. We've got sasha baron cohen for the trial of the chicago seven daniel kelly for judas in the black messiah. Leslie odem junior for one night in miami paul receiver sound of metal and lakeith stanfield for judas and the black messiah. Who do you think should win. And who will win should win is lakeith stanfield. I stand by my pick. I i've i when i saw that movie I know daniel daniela. Performance is the one getting more of the hype. I think but for me what lakisha is with subtle and it's really hard to pull off like that internal struggle And i feel like daniel clue reforms. Obviously with fred hampton. It was more showy in our very good because when they show that clip at the end. And if you see those interviews. It's like it was uncanny. But i have to say that. Like i don't know something about the heat's performance of of really Like what that guy had to go through you know like what is character to go through and you can't show ally you know because it's like he can't give away what he's doing and so. I really hope that like he should win. I feel in my opinion. Who will win. I think it's going to be Daniel colusa just. Because i mean he's equally as great and i think maybe they're they're he's probably gonna get it and he has been winning up to this so Those are two my two picks. And i won't be mad about either like yeah my guy and i hope he wins. Yeah the i. I love lakeith to he. He he's awesome. I think it's kinda weird i mean. I think all of us think is kind of weird that he's up for supporting actor when it should be best actor but that's a whole nother story and who knows how these things work out the way they do. But i wanna go is should win for paul racy for sound of metal which. I'm just so excited that he is even nominated. I did not expect it to happen. But we'll win. Definitely daniel coup the performance to be and it is you know appropriately. Great and i will not be mad at all of you. Wins this one What do you have for something that should have been nominated. Yeah is delroy. Lindo considered would be supporting. Because i know he. He he got snubbed or is he. I think most people are putting them in lead lead. Okay so i would say maybe chadwick boseman for defy bloods because he was shorting actor and so I know he's nominated in the lead Lead acting category. But if there was a time for him you know to be in two categories. He'd definitely deserved that one. So but that was a tough category to be honest. I'm i'm sort of not mad about who got nominated. yeah. I'm glad you said that because i could not pick between four things that i thought it should be nominated so many. I had on my list but chadwick boseman also i didn't have but now that you mention it i think was absolutely fantastic in the five bloods and it's hard to pick between those two performances. Which ones nominated before. So absolutely i'm gonna go with an. I'll mention the other three that i was considering. But i'm going to go with ben mendelsohn for baby teeth Which is a under seen movie. I wish more people saw this movie. And maybe that's why it wasn't nominated at the same time That is part of the reason to nominate. Movies is to get more people to see them. along along the same lines though micheal martin from bloody nose empty pockets which is a very unique interesting different kind movie and absolutely worth getting in front of more people Also brian dennehy in his final performance and driveways which is a excellent little drama with a great performance from him and then the last one not as small of film but if if the point of a best supporting actor award is for a performance that stood out and really kind of became something that everybody paid attention to the film for Robert pattinson the devil all the time which is not the best movie but that performance i think is going to be one of the things. We remember twenty twenty. Yeah yeah that makes sense. So let's move on to best actress in a leading role. We've got viola. Davis for ma rainey's black bottom andrew day for the united states billie holiday vanessa kirby for pieces of a woman. Frances mcdormand nomad land and carey mulligan and promising young woman. What do you think should win. And what will win. I really want should win. Vanessa kirby carey mulligan I mean i think she's probably going to be my whirlwind but or possibly for m kind of torn because france is obviously is one think she went twice. Yeah so that could also be like she. Her performances is amazing in in nomad land. But i just feel a. I don't know vanessa kirby in pieces of a woman like that performance. Talk about making a movie you know. And i think that's the only nomination for that movie. And she's since i've watched her in the crown Like i've always remember watching her. That i like the first scene. She had as Princess margaret. And i were being so captivated by her and like oh my like. She's so good. And i glad that she's getting these roles in like People are acknowledging her and so. I'm very happy that she you know. Given the performance. She did in the movie like i hope she should win. But i feel like it might be carey mulligan because it's one of those things again like she's got a nominated before and hasn't won it could be The time for her. So it's becoming an amy adams situation right right so if if there's a time for her to get it. I think it would be with this movie so she will win. In my opinion. I think vanessa kirby is great pieces of a woman. I just don't like the film that much. I think after that truly amazing opening i think. The phone kind of falters. So that was my main issue with that. But i do think she is She is great in it I think should win is frances mcdormand for nomad lands. I think that she just creates a character. That is its own thing but also fits in so well with all of the real people in the movie. And i just think it's just an amazing performance. And she is just she's the best you know. She's so damn good in everything Will win though. I think it's going to be carey mulligan. also. I think it's her year for this. I think if promising limit doesn't take home anything else. I think it's that yeah. I guess the only the only reason i don't wanna give it to. Francis is because if i felt like i could since she is francis mcdermott. And you know who she is. It's like i felt like. I was watching france's interact with the people if that makes sense like documentary type thing and so it took me out a little bit of it. Not not anything she did but like. It's so good. But i don't know i feel like i was not transport you know like i couldn't just because i know who she is. It's sort of like kind of went against her in my book but obviously very good but yeah so who do you think should have been nominated in this category again. I'm really. I'm like all these all these people that i love her from like Period pieces but i wish rosamund pike would have been nominated for. I care a lot Yeah so i. I loved her performance in. I mean she did win. The golden globe Although the going globe is not the best indicator of who will win for the academy awards But that would have been like my fun nominate nomination in in my book because she deserves to and i know she's got in. I think she's got nominated for. I don't know if it's for pride and prejudice. Or maybe i'm making that up but she should Or gone girl. Maybe but i think she was nominated for ganga. I wanna see she was i. I don't do so much research for the show do i but But yeah scores pundit. I people should just be happy. I'm doing an oscars episode. How about that I i will go with should be nominated. I've got a tie here. I could not choose between the two of them. That is in dire for malcolm marie. Which of course i've mentioned earlier. I'm not sure exactly where falls. But i'm pretty sure it would be for this year's oscars and jessie buckley and i'm thinking of ending things which as we've as we've mentioned that movie just completely ignored here but she is absolutely fantastic. And you know like we've talked about as you're re watching the movie and realizing just what charlie calvin is doing with these characters The way that she is playing that character that you know may or may not be what it seems and there's just so many layers to it and she just pulls it off just flawlessly. She's awesome yeah. I think i'm snapping at myself. Because i remember watching that movie and thinking like both jesse should get nominated. And so yeah. You're i completely agree with that when she was overlooked In award season. And i feel like that could also be just because it was like that mid It was a consumer right that he came out and i feel like pandemic times just made it feel like leading up to the ostrich especially since it's like now in april it was just too much of a lag time maybe to build up the hype and continue it and so yeah i think that's a major snobby. Ira well. Let's move on best actor in a leading role we've got rid amid for sound of metal chadwick boseman from our enemies. Black bottom anthony hopkins for the father. gary oldman for manque and stephen for monari. What do you think should win. What will win. This is a hard one. Because it's between two to actors who i really love and i'm so happy that they're doing so well another nominated but very close. I should win Raise ahmed his. What he did in south of metal was so good. And so i feel like he. He he definitely deserves to win. will win. I think it's going to go to anthony hopkins. Just because are obviously what he had to do. Well he's just solid all the time just like Like you said. Frances mcdormand and like you know their they're level of good is just like above everyone else's like amazing so Yeah i think he's going to win. But i have to say like to. Stephen yan who i hope would win. He's i guess he's like my my My honorable mention. Because i have watched him. You know since the walking dead and then He was so good and like Sorry to bother you and then Well i didn't like his character as much minority. i think he played it so well. So yeah but. I don't think he's gonna win this time well. I'm having a lot of trouble with this category. Because i feel like should win is both -rism anthony hopkins. I think it's just the most impossible picking the world. If i had absolutely pick one of the two i'd probably go ahead but Is just the hardest choice for me. However i feel like will win is chadwick. Boseman for marines black bottom i. I think that they are going to give it to him. And i can't be mad at all because he is so damn good in this movie and I think completely deserved even if those other two performances were so damn credible yes i. You're right. I think he he probably will win. But i i don't know i'm going off what i want to. What do you think should have been nominated. Yeah although i'm not going to be mad if chadwick means either obviously yeah. Yeah i should have been nominated. Like i mentioned in because they thought he was supporting but delroy lindo It was very missed opportunity to nominate him and and Yeah i'm kind of. I'm still mad about that one. Yeah i i think we all are. He's my pick to for should have been. I don't understand it says if the academy just has no idea what people are. You know rooting for or they do. And they're just like no. We're not gonna do that. You know screw all you want. Yeah sometimes it's just easier. I think they go off like the names like it seems like oh yeah those are always like like i said solid acting so they go off that and maybe they don't even watch the movies. I'm just how can you not watch that and not nominate them. But yeah what do i do that. Performance is just. It's crazy good. And i you know all the real you know film fans will continue to talk about it for a long time but yeah i think that's maybe the biggest snub of the year. I would say but that brings us to the final category. The big one. Of course that's best picture and the films that are nominated are the father judas in the black messiah manque minority nomad land promising young woman sound of metal and the trial of the chicago. Seven what do you think should win. What will win. Yeah this one. I i i i know i'm gonna open. The wrong envelope should win. It's between two so it's going to be my should enroll in. I think nomad land is going to win So that's my will win And should win. Is judas in the black messiah. Because i take into account The rewatch ability was it. Exciting Was it fun to watch this at the drive in And so it may be unbiased towards it because of that it just felt like oh my god this is. This is awesome to see this movie. And also that you know the soundtrack and like the performances with keith and daniel they could just felt like. Yeah this movie's type thing and then It's it's Like shocker kings. first directory debut. Like what you so. I just feel like it was an amazing piece of films. I would want that one to like should win. But i think nomad land will win and i also won't be mad about that. Yeah yeah no i agree. I think nomad land will win. I think that is the clear front runner here. And i'm torn as far as should win but i think i'm going to have to go it. Sound of metal. Just because i love that film so much and i just think it's such such a great film for the particular moments of Post co vid and trying to kind of navigate a major life change and you know things are going to be going forward and i. I just think it's a really interesting film and really unique and beautiful film. But i think that this is a really strong lineup. I agree with everything you said about judas in the black messiah i could. I could see that being completely deserving. I also considered the father as one of the best films of last year which would be completely deserving. What do you think is something that should have been nominated for this one. Yeah and i'm probably biased because this is We did an episode of The best international feature film on my podcast ladder next lens. But i have to say when. I watched Longer here which is a mexican Film directed by Fernando free us. Like i thought that was like one of the best movies i had seen last year. And i can't believe it was a nominated for anything like especially for International feature film. So i would have liked to see that because i think it is very much like it's universal. Even though it is a mexican film. I just a story is you can i i. It's like a one of those things that transcends and so i feel like if there is the best picture nominee like maybe it didn't get nominated for anything else but it could nominated for this you know but the academies. I don't know the track record. You know And then and then another one too going by that same line is La yadana That win that one was just so good as well and it was snubbed. For best international feature film and that one. It should've got nominated for something because what he was able to do with that story and take a a well known story that's like in latina culture and and kind of like adapted the way he did. Yeah i felt like is good. But that's like the genre films that kind of get overlooked you know and hear him odell. To'real has been the one to kind of break through that but there hasn't been much after that. Yeah i thought if nothing else. I thought was going to be in the best international feature. I was very surprised when it got snubbed. There but yeah great. Great picks the one that i would put in there as a should be nominated is the forty year old version. I feel from rod a blank that on paper just i feel like he shouldn't even work the way it is. I mean the middle aged woman who is kind of moving from being a teacher to an underground hip hop rapper. And it's just it's kind of perfect though and it's a testament to her talent both behind the camera and in front of the cameras at star The writing the strong supporting cast There's just so much going right in this movie and it is. It's so many things all at once. A great music movie. Inspirational movie agree Kind of underdog type of story and you know finding a new path kind of story. I mean it's just a lot of things right and is Really fantastic and fresh new voice. And i can't wait to see what radha blink does next yes and then also just because to round it to bring back full circle. Also i'm thinking of ending. Things should have gone on for this Of course they think about it constantly. And i still like. I don't know we live in our little charlie kaufman. We would've we'll we'll do separate awards show just for him. Yeah i down for that. We will definitely have to do that sometime soon. Ray ray on. Yeah that that covers the categories that we're gonna talk about here today but april twenty fifth. It's ninety third academy awards. I'm very excited. I i love watching awards shows. I know it sounds silly to a lot of people to still watch a word shows especially in this insane world that we are currently in and everything but i am looking forward to it and looking forward to seeing what happens and cat. Thank you so much for joining me for this when you tell people a little bit about what you've got going on i know you just Relaunch shuffle the pod. And also you got going on with latin next lens yes you can listen to me on the next lens We talk about. We highlight a an filmmakers and actors by choosing three of their filmography and kind of dissecting it that way and then also we review films. So that's the representation part that making a film criticism more diverse And then was shuffled. A podcast it's kind of an extension of the film site that iran a chef online dot net and we also just shuffled bunch of different stuff entertainment lifestyle music wellness and some happy to be launching that again. Ob biweekly and i'm super excited for that. 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Moxie

The Cinema Guys

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Moxie

"I'm brad adjusted misinformation. We're just three young friends chatting movies. We are the cinema guys. Welcome to the show. Welcome to another episode of the guy. Or what i haven't here long time. Welcome to the thunderdome. Thank you for giving us a chance. Also we are worth the time. We're worth the time. And if you are returning for another episode you know we are worth the time and thank you. Yeah or or you hear the troll us again or we'll say some things you don't like don't worry it's coming. It's coming matter. Yeah yeah from the latest. This could be another one of those episodes. Hey hey female lady in the still the female on female host the do you want to know what could spark some controversy this week. Joe biden's money. He's intel vice president in this episode things in the world Because we're talking about vivo roles. Yeah we're we're talking. The netflix original girls should go to skill this. Listen to this. He said he didn't think girls school. Lid leave him three times. He's thinking we're getting to do an impromptu sinophile top this should be fun sinophile. The worst game ever fine. It's fine you can't put file behind anything. And then pumpkin file. You could save but that would that would be. I was thinking man you get to a whole new. You're gonna start a pumpkin file website. Now you why would i don't like women you. We always end with that home recommendations. Wait was that book report. That was if you want me to redo it for you. All of our thesis statement. I just i just give you a bullet point bullet point eight grades apparently Actually i was her very good at the esa. I can give you a good bullet point outline but y top this. This is what i think about this. And then he would do the quotations of along quote i agree off plagiarized all the periods and curry curries news squashes the point seven hundred margins and i might do schumer and a half lines just so it still looked teachers down even out there so this part looks a little different. But i'm sure he is. It's not sure he's being honest because this paper so good tell he did not want the extra we will. We will talk some high school today as when we get into the movie. That's more college things until college degree. We were writing it. Yeah that's true well. I didn't really write that many papers in high school. It's like i did in college. Don't we just roll in two sinophile to top this ninja roll into sinophile. It's not sinophile this week. We are playing tough. This of files in a file addition. That's what i'll call it. Tampa file top of so. I'm going to draw card for an actor and then we're going to do a quick top three movies from the actor right. Let's see how long it takes us where we can all get to know. Please be so vessel. Colin farrell call colin phero. Hold on let me give. You're saying me. Say the la gave me second any think through. I got him already the lobster just messing with you now. I can't i think of one that i really like. Damn is the lobster. Outside of that trying to think was it would make a list. I won that round right. I don't think it was a game. All of their. We're just giving top three main gophers. Oh man i got my three colin farrell for. We will round robin. Just give me your three go. No particular order the lobster guy on dean sunday mermaid right. She's a mermaid again news some of the mermaid and then winter's tale just because i love it i know winter's tale is an irish story. No it's a book. It was a book. i they believe. All right it's a love. Justin mine would go the lobster. Love that movie. I haven't seen the second. I loved his character in the gentleman. Oh yeah which you haven't seen. I haven't seen that yet either. It's so good you would like you wouldn't like the lobster but you would like to gentleman and then last one is not popular. But i think it's just the time when i saw this movie. There weren't a lot of superhero movies out i loved. I liked him. Daredevil i like his boring dare-devils on my list. You me miss what are you just. He's bullseye yeah when he beats the guys in the pub with darts. That's cool yet daredevil. Be on my list. I know now. I enjoyed it when it came out. I watched quite a few years. I don't know if it will hold up in bruges. I really move a lot. And honestly i would say fantastic beasts and where to find them on dude The gentleman you'll like did you. Maybe you should watch it. It's on mentioned. I'm though he's doing his good in dumbo. Believe it. i like that movie. It's actually one of my favorites because it's not anything like the original. That's they added a story those. We'll see honorable mention phone booth. That was a quiet recitation. When i was like twelve right all right. Do you know the one george. Clooney georgia phen- clooney. I got it. I kid you not say them right now. Please i got it. I got it i got. I got all right. You wanna you wanna start off. Am george clooney mouth. Got it all right. All right started off. you know. it's maybe a little cliche. But i i can never not love his character. And ocean's eleven. I think it's a fun. Danny ocean defined character is He's great and all three of them followed up by ulysses in over there were such. Because i love it. We know you don't and then last. There's a movie with him and samuel jackson and Jaylo called out of sight. I just good. One might be a little different than that from desktop. Don oh the first. Half of the thing is just getting. There are two different movies but yeah he's just awesome. That movie next would be good night and good luck. You like that movie quite a bit and then last movie that you don't a lot of people i don't think liked it when it came out but i was just a fun kind of action. Movie as peacemaker with nicole kidman. Yeah i think i saw. I don't remember it actually. Oh brother aren't though Burn after k. That's a good one. I forgot about the more brothers film for the trifecta taskmaster fox. Wow say hail caesar. i didn't care for. He'll he'll caesar. But i love to reading. Do one more. Let's do it again. More cate blanchett caught blanchet that already it loitering one. What are the things till what are three. No it's the fellowship of the ring. The two towers and the return of the king with ours to towers. Its because i got a tube depp. Go first yeah. You go first hurt my three. Are thor ragnarok. Yeah shocking elizabeth. I love that movie so like them queens. And the curious case of benjamin who which is a good one. We don't like oh man. Babies people aging backwards. Some mine is babble. I really liked only because of the animated movies. Some of my favorites are how to train your dragon. I love her character. Dragon and last level. Go ahead and say you can't give into the other one. I just love. It is glad drill in the hobbit movies. Not the ring. We asthma spending on there movies. I do like her in the. He's a little more like animated and fighting younger. I think she's older. No i'm just saying like as an actress. She's older well yes. They changed her up though. I bet she thinks looks exactly the same abilities gossip and everything. It's more spry. Put it back on your good. Will we make a younger in both senate maiden number one definitely lord of the rings trilogy. I'm gonna camels one galadriel bad not saga with the hobbit. Is she a bad ass. she's wa. You said that one middle earth. So i would say thor ragnarok is well because it's really good just really good bras all the time and then oceans eight unpopular opinion. It wasn't a big fan. She she was good at it though. Because it's a female and that's okay. It's true we usually. I say let us know what you think on on. Let us know what you think about the game. Name of the game. Your top movies of these actors and actresses let us know not that anyone ever let us know so we are the senate but you're gonna leave was a one review goes right now. We're at the time. So why don't you just do that instead. So let's move into moxie sixteen year olds care about when i was sixteen. All i cared about was smashing the patriarchy burning all now constitute resolution did you hear rankings already starting cunningham just going to get ranked most bankable for the second year in a row for best caitlyn price. I take best. It's so nice not to be on anyone's radar totally sleeping out now. He's bothering him. He's harassing me. If you use that word means i have to do a bunch of stuff that your school is weird. Ignore mitchell keep your head down. Move on and bothersome deal. I'm gonna keep my head up high intrigued to know what brand new fresh off watching today. When i first let me ask you this. Did you shed a tear. I think he hated it. No i did not laugh has some funny moments. Yes i think. He hated it liquors face man. You're about to get cancelled. Choose your next words. Wisely choose them ferry. That girls are powerful though those. Who don't know this is as netflix. Netflix original just came out directly by amy poehler or produced directed by amy poehler and written and re. I don't think she was wrote it. It's based off of a book. Oh she did produce it and she. She didn't star but she was. She played the mom a and so your rating is based on the fact that this is like a high school movie is a high school taking that into account. And your two and a half. That's what i'm guessing my rating. I gave it a solid three. Okay good man with a three. I thought the movie was fine and add. It had funny moments about ladies. It's a movie. Doesn't it when we when we kinda dig into the ruins east part there. There are a few issues. I had with the film but overall i did enjoy it and i wouldn't tell people not to watch it got ashley oh me i loved it so when i did watch it i will say it was two thirty in the morning and i thought i'd fall asleep to why started coming out and i i didn't like you like you know what we got to watch this movie fall asleep to pick it up but i watched the whole thing and cry a ball my eyes out the end but a couple of times and then at the end i was just saw their said. They're think about for a really long time like man what i feel i was like i meal my sixteen year old son i he needs to watch this movie. This is a really good movie for the boys watch and it opened up really good conversation i think and i just like the characters i liked the whole thing and i gave it my first two thousand twenty one five saw my star search this week boom i you said your first five star the first of the to give it a second one. Today does justice league girl power would give it. I gave it a four and a half. Oh i thought you would have gone five as well. No only because of the ending i thought the ending was a little kitschy but like every girl standing up and talking but never happen but i think the sentiment of it was much better than i think some other quote unquote feminist films have done is giving each woman their time to talk and not making it about yourself but anyway i digress. Brothers do you think takes place in the marvel. World says s and that's agent a shield guy will no the. Oh was he in it to agent colson. Oh colston's carlson was in is like maybe this is what he's doing when he's not on these two hedy. Yeah all right. Where're you gonna say about. Brad i think that says a lot about breath at three. You have a lot of problems with it. I didn't say i had a lot. I said that there were a couple that i just didn't entry problem. One go from this point on we will be delivered loons and also we will probably be arguing so continue right really going full ruins a problem one go. You can't comment to. He's listed all of its problems. If you haven't seen it watch it. Come back now. That you're bag natalie mac. One of the problems they had was her character. Like i lane girl. The main girl flying. I wanted more of the lucy girl than this main girl. Her friends the new the new girl in school. That was kind of like chief friend. Did after oh i liked her more after don but like she's kind of i think she kind of egged her on the city girl. My biggest problem with her was how she got. I know it kinda rectified. It a little bit the end but how she started to get upset of like nobody like when she's going off everybody like nobody cares about things that i do or this or that and i'm like well you haven't talked to or told anybody you're having any issues so you can't really get pissed off but then she apologized in like. I'm sorry that i did all this stuff. I i the build up to that point. I just i see the self gr- the the growth of the film the growth of yes. Yes it did girl. Power just doesn't work for me. I know i'm just tansel going to go. i did. I know this is right. Here is going to piss you guys off. It will piss a lot of our one-star reviewers. Aw they're not listening because our dime. I found this film to be a better girl. Power movie than promising it well and not even just lies but not even just like girl power as a non immigration. Say like even if you're taking the whole subject matter that promise you no one was talking about. This does more for that. Move like date rape culture this What guys like this movie does. X eight made me feel exactly. I think what they wanted me promising and they there were a lot of and same thing to parallels like. The principal was the same as the dean at the college where they're just turning a blind eye of like well. We can't really do this to our star quarterback even though they're like the worst football team even the world and also like the worst dude. Yeah him and his buddy. If i had any problem with the movie it would've been that that. I just maybe i just went to different high schools. I never went to high school or any one person. Was that cool now. I didn't either or Or anyone group. Was that cool. Like i did my high school. Everyone if there is there a coup quarterbacks. I don't know because we would never hung in the same circle of but if they're cool. Surfers and skaters didn't 'cause that guy like i think there was be within each little subgroup but not like what michael. You're your your normal. Obviously the high school cliques. Like you have your jocks your the eventual boyfriend. Who's who's part of the skaters right and then you know you're different cliques. You always have that my school. I had the jocks in. The quarterback was like the most popular kid in the school to everybody wanted to be with or around weeden. I was the kid that just hung out in the room all the time. And oh so. You're the you're the weirdo. Yeah was the weirdo. So what i did like though is like i love. We didn't we didn't just done. He's not done hating weights. And i really only hear one problem so far like i didn't really have big issue didn't like main character overall. Yes like. I didn't love her like i didn't that women were wearing too many clothes. They had too many opinions. I like all the other girls around. I liked all the other girls around her more then than her. I liked her too. And i okay. I'm not gonna go in. And like i said i didn't hate the movie. I thought the movie was fine. And i would tell people yes. Check it out because it does have a good message. It will add mazzi. It's it's moxie. I love the copy guy when she comes in and said i wanted to and he's like how many is that. That is a good job. And i like to the the women around her more than than her. If that makes sense does i hear you. Just know the you've been hurt. Okay all right. Thanks appreciate it all right actually retort and i did. I did enjoy the. I know it wouldn't happen. But i did like the standup of like yeah. Don't touch our hair. I thought that was funny. Funny when also true it is. Because i've actually been one of those people like can i. Can i touch your hair. Feel good friends He's mix and has really gorgeous hair and girls love to touch it all the time. We would go out all of us. Our group of friends would go out On the weekends and girls always like touch your thoughts your hair and every time i'd be like oh my god leave the poor guy alone love christ anyway. Go ahead ashley will then allow retort. I respect and understand your opinion. I think it is misguided for one reason one. She's learning. She is in a very very naive girl. Who doesn't know this stuff. I give you your time. She was on the list. She doesn't know much. And then this girl who opens her eyes to a different way of thinking in a different way of doing something so she goes through learning period. Where yes she does make it about all about herself and then she gets pissed. Think of the stages of grief your eyes are open to it and then you probably are like i need to do something and then when nothing happens you get pissed and then the business makes you really try harder and then something happens and then you realize oh i've messed up and then you have a growth if that's what she did. That's what happened. That's a normal female. I think or maybe mail to. I'm not a male. So i don't know of the male experience what you're not that. We're not usually afraid of anything so i think that that's something that women go through or are going through now is that think about like The women's march. I feel like that was a very very aggressive. They're pissed off. It's not doing anything and then it's becoming more of an empowerment phase with the younger generation. Kind of coming into it more and all that kind of stuff. I think her growth make sense for what i've gone through and for what i think. A lot of women around me have gone through. Okay i can't personally attached to that. So i know a different what i like about what the things i really picked up on was one. I love her. Best friend represented. I think a true thing in our worry now that like not everyone demonstrates the same way right. Not one can stand up for things the same way I didn't actually see going to raise. I when she said hey and she brought up her race. You don't know my mom. I was like. Oh that's go-. I was thinking more like her mom being such an oppressed. You don't know what it's like to live in an oppressive household like you have a mom who's like free do whatever you want like. I can't wear these clothes. I'm literally not allowed like when she tried. She tried to break out from them for like. I thought that was use smarter. That girl to be like. Oh she's picking her battles well. Lizzy wants to stand up for a friend. Michelle meant it wasn't was that but like i thought i really appreciate that perspective. It's a different perspective of like. Hey everyone can stand up in different ways. Not everyone's going to the march but it doesn't mean that i don't care about like that was one of my things for my wife. She's like. I don't go to those but it doesn't mean i don't like do things in like. I like that perspective a lot. I also liked the just bringing back they were. They were a lot of it. When i was in high school the scenes. You guys have zine did not. There's always like skateboard and like rock and roll jeans. That people would leave around the high school. You could literally walk into the bathroom. And pick someone zine up and it was like always cut out stuff of like their favor. Magazine is usually wasn't important. We didn't have anything cooler my school but it was like everyone's getting together and skating on saturday. A lovely it was you know or come. See my band or like. I don't think i saw any that. Wherever like you know meaningful but it was. There was lots of scenes and they're usually like one page in half because that's all people time for. They didn't do the through those together. Because that's a lot. I mean those books were like probably like eight pages. Each and i was like a lot of work man. She had a lot of work. I also like the whole kness of her like she couldn't think of everything until she put the music on and got into the zone where they're just like kind of like raged out of her otherwise. Because i think the one time she tried to do it without that she went too far was like was that the one she was like overly mean and people were like that one was a little crazy. What does he do when she got a little. Like what you're saying with stages. She went too far that one point at the dinner table which he was talking to her boyfriend who was like is he not the best guy i thought i wanted to make out with him to perfect one. The funny thing is the very first shot of him. I thought he was going to be a nerd kid too but then after that my free skate and he was going to. Everyone is going gonna be. Everyone likes him. he's with everybody. The the the coup jack and the quiet girl multiple leaving members her in third grade and what she like drink for lunch or whatever dissed dude. You're playing the long game here. I'm going to log this and bring it up later because it's well. There were multiple times where i thought. Okay i hope. They don't turn him into like he's trying to get more when they were in the car like in they're making out and who goes to the game. We're gonna park in the parking lot here. That's for sure he goes somewhere else. Where nobody oh yes. So one thing that. I think that starkly contrast promising women promising young woman the main girl the one daisy buchanan. That you don't know who that is carrying carey mulligan when character go ahead. I'll let you finish. All what were you going to my point about the great gatsby when they when they start talking about that and trying to die i die i. I laughed really hard. I didn't even think of it with you. Know that's patrick. Arnold son who played the douchebag. Oh really yeah. I saw this thing and i was guessing. It's gotta be some relationships at. I kinda wanted to smack him in the face so deeply anyway not for violence. But in that case maybe ahead. He played a horrible cared. With the carey mulligan. So carey mulligan so her character makes a this act. That never happened to her. All about her yes and so she kind of is she. Takes the the pain away or the attention away from the victim whether the victim is here or not or wherever. The focused always be on the victim. And you shouldn't ever make the victim's parents or other you will comfort you for something that happened somebody else. Meanwhile this girl. She doesn't do that in the end she at the end. Let's the girl who was raped. Take the stage and just backs away because it's not about her. She doesn't make things that aren't about her about her. She gives people the stage where the the the place to speak. The things which i think ending really stupid but but i understand what they were trying to do. I did like that. The moxie the group the persona became big enough. That someone like that. She's like this. Is somebody that i can speak to that. I can bring this to after the keeping it inside. Yeah what i. Actually i was thinking about later. What i thought would because i agree that lasting cheesy mainly it was cheesy. Because they didn't do enough. There's only three girls talked and like some of them didn't were like yeah but like i thought it would be cool if they cut out of the movie and went to like real high school girls but i like going through montage of real people. Oh yeah. I think that a lot of women at the women's marches deep stuff like that. It's just not my. It's not my thing. It makes me very uncomfortable. So i i don't know if it matters if you don't know the people either that's where that's where the heart is like a we know these people and we've done these things. We have touched her hair We have worshipped this guy who raped this girl and it was a well. That's just how he would just ignore him in. He'll move onto someone. What did you guys think about. The teacher being called out for his complacency and then at the end he held his hands up and he was like you do what you might do the because i like because i think he was trying to play a very cool. I'm going to be woke. I you know. I'm not gonna say anything. I just know that my role is not to say because he wasn't woke and the anybody was playing it cool. I'm going to try to be a neutral party in higher notes facing over to teach the kids left for thinking for themselves instead of listening to authority. I don't think it was about teaching. At that time. I was about his His redemption like. Oh you know what. I need to be a part i need to do. I need to take a side here. I think his thing was. I need to take a side. I haven't i've been feeling. And then he did and he took a side by By doing that on his hand what you think that says chew people that say like. Hey this isn't my fight. I don't think that this. I need to be. I think we're we're learning. That silence is racism. Right or silence is oppression. Yeah 'cause i that's that's the easy white male thing to do. You know what everyone's mad about this right now. Not just going to say anything. I just keep quiet and stay over here. Melissa we find a melissa take my head and yep and yeah but that's not a stance when you ha especially if you're an authority figure which he is. I especially if the other authority figure like are the principal who i just wanted to spend. I don't even know if she ever really has a turnaround comes and gets him because he has no other option point. It came to the point where she brushed it aside enough that other things too that that if enough people are outspoken about something that even if the people in power don't want to deal with it they have to because the larger body the mov rules. Yeah the other thing with her is i. Don't even think it was that she liked this kid. So much as much as i don't feel like dealing with this like this is a headache to although the only part of the movie. That was a little farfetched. This guy wins the twenty thousand dollars every year. Whatever like somebody else come on somebody else's got to be like i'm a good athlete to or somebody whose parents is going to be like. Dude you need that. We need that money why to apply for this scholarship lake. I feel like that was a little over the top. I liked amy poehler role. I like to be amy. Poehler liked the like. And i think if you're if you're very outspoken about your kids do sometimes shy away from that like our. That's how mom was. I'm just not like that. And that made sense that she will figure that out on her own now. Karen i watch us together and we were like you know. She had the box that she opened up with all like her mom's like punk stuff insurance ku'damm box to she had she. She did like we were talking about like. Oh our kids aren't going to get anything cool like they were going to be like. Hey we have a tub. The helm started with thirty gano. They got the star wars figures in the justice league because i collected forever and guy when they were little they bid them all up and while i was gonna ask you if you have some sort of box of krista. I do actually chris. And i both i have a shoebox of like notes and pictures and they in christmas to and then chris and also has a box. It's called labeled box for a girl and it was stuffed. She was gonna give a girl okay if she ever had a girl by now. Mo's like those away now. Is there a moments like more photographs and they think photographs are hilarious. Okay have you open the box and like shown here. Have you opened the when we go through now. They have But it's not as cool as that's for sure it's more like here's some photos. I have like my nose ring when i had my nose peers. That's still in there. Things like that are in the box. I have not like we have not gone through many things in a box. Like are a couple of things that i've found as we're because we're getting ready to move that i found is packing. Yeah one that. My kids didn't understand what was that. I carry it around with me when i was a young man. Brad was a zippo lighter. And i still had it. I found a box and young. Yeah and i showed my kids and they're just like what is what is this like it's zipper later. In the united get it. So i lied. You have it. You don't even more get a little old like once. They start hitting teenagers. Because that's when you start collecting on your teenager so when they started becoming teenagers especially now. I don't know if. I wonder if recent rile do it right now. The styles are all the early ninety styles so we like like to laugh me like oh. I wore these. You're running the panshir. Wanting i like and so we resonate so much with it or hey. When i was your age i was doing this. That's when all that comes out. I think more Because when they were little. We didn't know here. Look at this picture kid. But it's mainly pictures and letters. Amy poehler mom in cheat. She was the cool mom but she didn't seem like it was like a. I'm not. I'm not a regular wasn't aggressive about it. She wasn't pushy about it. She was like hey. This is who. I was and my newbie. Who you were which is cool. Yeah i like that. That's why i want to be her. Mom i love. She's like milk so concerned. A feminist group like. Oh wow do you think you will react to your children having sex. I don't know. I'm still thinking about that while i'm still a i do every year. A little closer to those this time. When i do think there is a difference having a girl versus a boy only because you're more like from one hundred understand. My friends who have girls are like you're more afraid because you know like you're afraid for them. It's not like you're like oh god. I'm not worried about them. But as you're you're. I don't think something's going to happen to them whereas i bet if i had a girl would be like. Oh man some kid. I just don't want my kids to be. That took it like. I hope that i raised them well enough that they're not yes. Okay this see this this guy right here. Don't be him or this or his friend. See still rate it. Three you suck on me raving threes. No the quitting was movie. Is you'll rate every horror horror movie four. What colorado space brad. But i like that. We could have a long conversation about this when we were after our conversation. I i disagree. It's okay no in my mind. As i think about it and as we've talked about it and i want you to change it now but just because i'm giving you a little bit. I won't go to any. It would probably maybe three and a half like i favored between three and a three and a half war because it was a good movie. I enjoyed it. I don't hate the movie right no i. I didn't couldn't really the entire time. I had obviously a good idea where it was. But i was like how this ends. I don't know where this goes. And i like that in a movie and it made me cry. Moves to make me cry gin like and the you know the part of the me. Cry was the reconciliation between her and her best friend. And that was the part that that got me. Yeah i thought it was cool. I thought it was I liked the progression of her as a character. Progression reminds me a lot of myself that she reacts to things. She just the her like her series of like actions reminds me a lot of my life and i relate to that naievty a lot too because that's how i was until like i was thomas. Jason like does like twenty five. I was like that. Yeah so actually the funny. I thought it was funny. When you said you liked the other girls so much i she was definitely a cool character in how bold to us but to me. She was a little more unrealistic. That character high school. Okay yeah. I think that's more of a woman who is like in college and as i in through a little as i talked to my wife about it about hers like her i like her but then she's like if they would've used her as the main girl it would have been like. Look at this cliche. Yuck the new girl comes in. She's like from a different. She's from the bay area and she's like different kind of care like it. Yes there's one part with the college admissions stuff and talk that she's like this is completely incorrect. This is not how it goes did. I couldn't tell because. I don't think her and her friends were nerdy as much as just quiet right like her thing coming out of quiet but like the way she dressed was she is out. Is that cool. Should dress like. I couldn't tell you i feel like you know. And she was. The main actually was dressing. She had had a kirsten dunst look to her. She did she really did. I like in with a cheerleader movie. Bring it on on saturday. Been brighton very much. Toro's vibes or anything else. You wanna say on moxie now. I dug it though i appreciate is watching this film. I know it was fight. A fight almost threw down. I literally almost hit you. I know i saw your face before moving to at home recommendations. Say we are a part of livestream for the cure again this year. This'll be our thirty third year. Here's a promo for it. My name is nicholas hoskins. And i'd like a moment of your time to tell you about the fifth annual livestream for the cure to do that. I brought along to people whom i couldn't do this. Event without gerald morris and dan brenick over the past four years. The livestream for the cure has raised over thirty thousand dollars for the cancer research institute that contribution is helping to fund research into cancer immunotherapy training the body's immune system to fight all forms of cancer this year. Were aiming for our biggest goal yet as we try to raise fifteen thousand dollars in fifty hours on the air tune in may nineteen th through the twenty third as we're joined live by podcasters and content creators from around the world with your help. We can continue the fight for future immune to cancer together. We can make a difference we are going to be part of. The livestream may twenty second at eleven pm. Yeah and i think we're gonna play m. f. k. Sinophile addition. I'll ask one pick three of them. Just pick three like here. We go what do we got. I like that. That's good all right. Let's move into the home recommendation. Got one not gonna take another one. I have one too We started it. I actually will only watch one episode. It's a netflix original. It's called the one. I saw the list. He'll par. it's real cool. It's about do you know what it is actually now the future and apparently this woman. Who's like a steve. Jobs sort of woman has created an app that does dna testing. That gives you your one soulmate. That and then when you meet them you are like spent with these other. It's the one soul mate that you have in the whole entire world and she swears by it and brantley everyone. It's one hundred percent but it's like ruining marriages because we were already married or going to get the test but there's something i've only watched i that was. There's something ominous about what she's doing. It's called the one to netflix show. It's not gently movie. No there's something ominous about like. She's doing something wrong or there's something wrong with the test or something's bad about it but apparently it does work. But you see and then if you're watching people meeting like because someone's told you that your each other so does that make you think that any but it's good. I don't know where it's going. But i do like it and i have one not home recommendation. I did not care for barry. Been stare albar man. I just thought it was boring. Okay beardon stare. There's a couple of like it wasn't like the worst thing in the world to watch. I don't think i gave it like two three. Maybe three was average. I just didn't. I thought it was going to be really funny though okay and it was not i. I have not watched that one yet. That's not home recommendation recommendation. There's meaning that are on my list. How about that my my list your list to what two or list that you listen to you. I'd love recommend this. The college scandal the varsity blues the one about all like the is james vanderbeek. Yeah no at the documentary investigating the mastermind behind the to get kids of the rich and famous into the top us. University scrolling through loosely. The comeback learn to watch that one documentary by the guy. That does How this guy made about blockbuster. Oh yes i really really good. It's so good. You should totally our friend. Jared from full frontal nudity. He he got the kickstarter like blu ray. He told me about long dude. It's so fun and it's like tons of different actors like talking about it and it's it's there were making jokes a is like there's one scene where they're walking down the blockbuster. It's still exists in oregon in oregon and And he's like. I mean look at this. They have every james bond movie rate. Here that's awesome. It's like oh and here's every avatar movie which is only one and they're just making jokes entire time and it's definitely entertaining. I really wanted to have on it. I like him all right. Brad what do you want to recommend before. I recommend the big one. That'll be the best way. I just watched wolf walkers today on how. I want to see that on animated film and it's irish enemy really good really. Really good book kills yes talking about. Is that same style. Yeah it's kind of almost the story. A little bit is kind of similar similar but different. I wanna say i really liked. It really liked a lot highly. Recommend it was nominated for best animated film and then the other recommendation. We will be doing as our next episode. But i just and i would recommend zack. Snyder justice A weekend far. Our your enjoyment are far superior than the theatrical. We got four years ago characters new scenes so And it's really a bit. That will be our next episode coming out in a couple of weeks so that will do it for this episode of the cinema guys. Thank you for listening and like we said zack. senators justice league as next so subscribe. Then he won't ever miss it but until next time maybe we will see you at the movies. They won't talk.

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Episode 374: Invincible, Nobody, The Falcon & The Winter Soldier Episode 2, Bad Trip, Zatanna Gets a Director, Another Round, Calls, The Irregulars, The Pole

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Episode 374: Invincible, Nobody, The Falcon & The Winter Soldier Episode 2, Bad Trip, Zatanna Gets a Director, Another Round, Calls, The Irregulars, The Pole

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You know you sweat a lot and sometimes you miss dude. I had to put a lot together there. And i honestly i put none of the right things together and i had to go straight to the source and ask you. What the fuck are you talking about. Because i and i'm still not even hundred percent. Sure i got it. But i i. In retrospect i think that joke needs more setup. Now in retrospect i disney should've been looking at a different hero. Then trump soap drafts to run soaked. Pirate as their hero in this. It's a disney. Fell and their hero is a rump soaked. Pirate children's costumes. They may children's costumes out of the fact. That man drugs in the world in joe went for fictional drugs. Yeah even name them. You could even pick anybody in in the cheers bar but you decided against that demi. Levato can't stay away brines ask. Here's the thing here's the thing like just like just like fucking pirates had a joke i do. I i had a joke lined up. And i can't even remember how it went. That is how fucked up. I am right now. it was a good one too. It was about like alcoholics and the rise and fall of alcoholics. And that's what disney set up when they did the pirates care. Pirates of the caribbean which was really good when it first started off and then just really tanked kind of like kind of like an alcoholic story. And that's a hard one to get out there. Joe this is true. Yeah yeah and and it sounds like making fun of alcoholism. I'm not making light of al. It's a very serious thing. As i drink my fucking wine. Jesus christ i'm a hypocrite. I'm a fucking hypocrite man. No for me. I just found out. I guess that if you say rum i have a pavlo de pavlovian response and i'm gonna say pirates curse of the black pearl. I curse this episode. I really do. I really do. We're fucking that's a record for seven minutes in in this episode curse for me. Yeah joe welcome back man. Joe from star cast been putting out the all star cast episodes lately. Sc yeah that's right. Yeah i've kind of been back on the back in the saddle at that. It's been a lot of fun Had some really good conversations. I i listened to that most recently. I listened to the matt kirby one absolutely loved it. I thought it was fantastic. Oh yeah thank you so much. And it'd been too long since. I talked to matt and it's funny. He planted a little seed in my head during that episode about mountain biking and now since that episode. I've gotten. I've bought a mountain bike. Thank you matt. Kirby and and your book is now on audible. Is that correct. It's on audible now. That's right yeah dude. It's on audible. Amazon and itunes. So i mean that's pretty wild i mean i guess i guess you start. Casts has been on itunes for a while but just a little more surreal to me seeing like a book with my name attached to it like in tune so i mean those. Those are pretty proud moment for me. Finally getting that done Can sad. Because like i it was a real lesson for me in You know putting things off. Because like i recorded like started recording those like in late two thousand eighteen and then for whatever reason just had it in my mind that was going to be too much of a chore to edit them. Oh you're going to have to listen to yourself talking. I mean nobody likes of star. I'm gonna guess pure laziness. Definitely jake do you have. Do you have a guess. I'm going on the lazy train. Okay so both of our guests. Are scathing guesses so yeah me long. Short of it is quitting lazy. It didn't take me that long to edit and you had got him got him submitted now now they're available and so yeah now. My first book. I become death is now available as an audio book. I if you're more of a print book person you can pick up Print order copies off amazon. And yeah. it's a zombie story and the the entire audiobooks only two hours long. So it's a it's a quick. Listen something you could knock out in afternoon and as a new contest. I've got five digital codes. Yeah it's true. I've got five districts book. Yeah of joe's book audible. Following elite team of zombie hunters with a mission that will take them deep within unclear territory where strength of arms the rule of the law and the dead freely roam i become. Death follows a team of professionals tasked with escorting a young assassin through unclear territory his target a brutal warlord that has been holding a small town hostage. And you could win one of five digital codes here to listen to it on audible and this was donated by mr joe stark himself. The writer of this book the author of this book and this is fucking fantastic. Joe i think people should how should they. How are you gonna. Are you going to throw up a tweet Yeah yeah. I can throw tweet up and i'd say just check me out online at at the tubby ninja and i will tweet it and i'm sure bryan tweet. It's a fall pop culture leftovers. you'll see it there. And i'd say like any other brian's contests yeah tell you what i'll also i'll do it to you can joel do it. I'll do it and also put it up on the facebook page. Something for i've become death being an audible and basically. Yeah just share. It re tweeted. Send me an email to comments at pop culture leftovers dot com br yeah comments pop culture leftovers dot com and then title it. Id come death and then take a screenshot of your tweet in a facebook post and then i'll go over the winters of next week and then i'd be happy to email the five winners of that speaking and thank you joe for the donation of those codes. It's awesome thank you so much for for all the support that's You know you guys have been to me over the years you know just just getting that book published in the first place. It wouldn't happen without the support of the leftover army. Because i i wrote. I become death years and years ago and then just sat on my hard drive and you know years ago when i first joined the leftover army community and it was just so much love and support and just such a positive community of people you know i emboldened me to know set out and start doing star cast in and then you know after a while is a really put myself out there and published this thing. That's been sitting there for a while. And i figured out how to do it myself. And in it's just kind of evolved from there to you know started out as a digital and then a print copy and now there's you know an audio one so i mean it's it's been pretty wild surreal experience and in i. Have you know the the leftover army is a huge part of it and i have them really to thank for for helping. Push me to do it. That's awesome thank you everybody and yeah. Please enter the contest and you know what if you don't win still pick up a copy of the book in print or check it out on audible. Please do that. let's see here. I do have a couple of the contest that we ran last week one on these accident. Here's justice league. I bestowed and then the other on the falcon and the winter soldier bonus episode and those were for the movie happily. I've digital codes for that and then promising and women gonna go over the winters right now for happily this movie stars joel mchale. We've got some winners here. That i'm going to go over. I two winner for happily. Is jason feld. Jason fell. Do you wanna copy a digital copy of happily joel mchale next winter. Stephen plitt ska. Stephen plitt ska. Let's me plink. Oh the game jake. Giggling over their sakes. Jake remembers the play. Go game and i can't even remember games right prices right. I remember the plink. Okay but not the game of the game show itself third winter here today larry. Mayday larry mayday. You wins a copy. Love larry see here. Fourth number. Four big four stephen chev as you win a digital copy of happily and here. We go the final winner. Did it happen. Joe starkey joel mchale joe start doing. I'm not i swear. I swear i'm looking at your day right now. Just arguing a copy of this movie. This is not rig. It is not rigged. That is so wild. Oh my god i swear. I'll keep that screen up. Let's see here. yeah now. Let's go over our winters for promising young woman. This movie stars carey mulligan. This is one of my favorite movies of last year. I actually mentioned it in the tupperware episode. And i am going to actually giving out five physical copies of this movie. So here is our first winner. Rob forest rob forest wins the first physical copy. Second physical copies. Go to larry may again shit see here. Number three ghost to michael forte. Michael forte you. Win a physical copy of promising young woman. With carey mulligan number four geraldo vega. You win and final winner. Member vega from street fighter. Jake oh of course. Of course you think. Geraldo has those claws you think he's climbing on a cage right now. Probably not a high chance. But maybe i think he is. I think he's in spain crawling on a fucking cage and slice and guys up in an alleyway somewhere as people cheer him on kgo geraldo fuck them up man and jake is just like why am i doing this show with this embassy every not at all not at all i i guess. I gave our listener. This ridiculous backstory that lines up one hundred percent with the character streetfighter to get a guy named goro to win the next hour. Man john. Goro you win your copy of the. Oh my god this motherfucker. He's got four arms to. I'm blown away. Yeah no jason fell. Do you win. Jason feld wins twice. We double winners lot of dude. I'm not even kidding. A lotta fucking. People entered the promising young woman contest. A lot of people. Did i appreciate everybody that that did enter. So thank you very much. And those are a big fucking winters. Geraldo vega big win today big winner. They not only stop fight. You watch this movie. not only did. He defeats his opponent in just two rounds by. He wins a physical copy of palestine. Young wanted and yeah. Hey i got a question for you guys. There's a lot of podcasts out there. There's a lot of podcasts out. There a lot of podcast cover a lot of different things anything under the sun that you probably want to hear a podcast about you can probably find it. What if there was a dc death stroke podcast and they did was covered the character of stroke or jenin. Great runs the character. Great appearances all these things and the host died from a stroke. Out would be so sad. Wire onic wow alanis. Morissette wrote a song about it jake. I think her son didn't have anything. That was actually ironic in the song. That's what's so ironic about that song. That is wow the irony there. Yeah death stroke podcast. House dies from a stroke. Does he die from a stroke. Duri stroke podcast because that would be way fucked up Jake you just added a whole new layer of this. That i had not even thought of sir. Oh my god. I don't know if i i can't even process this. It was a dumb question I want to rest in peace. Jessica walter i gotta say something about this. Rest in peace with jessica of people know her from a lot of different things but arrested. Development is my favorite hope. She didn't die. Have a stroke. Did she die stroke. I don't know. I'm not sure because that would be totally terrible. She died from a stroke. And i'm following it up at the stroke thing with this. That would and that she guest on gesture. Podcast hope not arrested. Development is my favorite show of all time my favorite show of all time i love arrested development not so much like the final seasons but those first three. I absolutely loved that. Show so i just wanted to say rest in peace suggests water absolutely love her and she will be missed man. That's a. that's a huge loss. Yeah she was still doing voice work for archer. Yeah yeah that's not my. I didn't watch the like. I know i just i. She's always going to to me. That's associated definitely. Yeah yeah that was a huge fan archer so that that was my first thought when she died. I've heard lots of good things about arrested development. But i've never gone back and watching it. Oh god never seen a single good. I've never seen a single episode of missing outgrew watched the first two seasons than bail out. Sounds good. I would say i would say i would say watch watch the first three. And then even the fourth is not as bad as people say it's like once you get into the fifth season was like where i had the hardest time with it to be honest with you but i'm like then again. I'm diehard fucking development so everybody is going to be different when it comes to that stuff. But let's guys i i don't want to bury it. I want to talk about the falcon and the winter soldier. You guys down fuck. Yeah okay in. And i don't have a traditional like bumper like we did for wanda vision with the falcon and winter soldier. But in honor of great duos falcon winter soldier. Being a great deal of themselves. I'm going to be playing eighties. Seventies and eighties. Maybe even nineties theme songs of tv shows. That had great duos. And then you guys got to guess what the fucking show us we find. We find you guys. Ready hit me. I wanna that wins hazard. Oh get the fuck outta here at. You're fired you're fucking fired hazard. There's a blind spot in your age television. Jake i i know it's not. It's definitely not dukes of hazzard eric. All that was that was it. Nobody got it and just just throw out. A name is something j. Did that dukes of hazard he was wrong. Okay i can't even think of a movie or a show with a duo that would have had like that tone tightening lacy. God that's a better gas than fucking a hazard sir. Have you never heard the dukes has it. They've saw i'll just a good old boys. That will not be coming into play as we played it every week that that my friends was simon and simon. I've never seen a single episode of that that if you couldn't tell now dukes of hazzard god i was. I was trying to think of dynamic. Rose bet man sixty six. We are second episode here for the falcon and the winter soldier titled the star spangled man. What are you giggled about of. That's just that that game and how horrible somewhere out. There is a simon and simon. That was losing their fucking mind and a pretty sure all this time. It'd simon fans are dead except brian. Thank as wrong. You guys is totally wrong. There's fucking gen. xers out there that know. Exactly what's up. All right episode to was the star spangled man directed by carey skoglund written by michael castle castle line. And i wanna know what you guys thought about this. This is perfect. Because i had both of you for last week's episode. Got your thoughts about it and got the ratings about it and actually i'm gonna play rating system because we are going to jump in and write this one. The rating system is simple. If the leftovers don't like something they toss it if they do like something they suggest you tasted. And if it's brilliant it gets a tupperware rating if all the leftovers love it then it gets the pinnacle of success. A tupperware party all right. Well actually i played the fucking chipmunks. Rescue rangers puckett theme song. Jake's view that health strangers or some like. Let's get a duo vet. Yeah it's just pull out some easy shit that you guys will five seconds in soon as soon as you heard the beginning of that. One standing two perfect strangers on it right brian. I'm so smart. Where's my cracker crackers at stake and there are crackers and goldfish. These are fucking shit man. Yeah yeah before. Next week i'm gonna listen to eighty dynamic duo theme song possible. I'm gonna go fucking jeopardy research style on this shit and then i'm gonna pull out the ninety s. Yeah fuck you is right all right now. I wanna know what you thought about this one. Joe what did you rate last week. And then what did you think about this week's episode. I think i was a high taste last week in this episode. This week Episode two is a tupperware for me. They i really really enjoyed this episode when it first started off. Do you want me just rate it. Right now are kind of get into it a little bit. You did rate it. You said top aware okay. I'd like for you to regain your memory first and then we can jump and then i was going to start going onto a bunch of shit and that was like wait a minute and he would just want me to read it and shut up pretty soon. We're gonna hear juggle. Hey brian simon and signing just the way this episode started off they they made me fucking care about the new cap which i didn't think that they would do Kind of humanized him a little bit at the end of the first episode. I was very much in the fuck this guy camp and then the opening scene with them. I was like oh great. Well done marvel. You found a way to humanize them a bit. And you know at least categorize is you know being somewhat you know having the qualifications do the job and whatnot and Just the way that this whole episode played out. It was a lot more action. lot less build up I i felt like we got some tantalizing stuff answered in this Yeah i i think all around this was a much better episode than the first one and you know even though that these are longer episodes. And there's a shorter amount of them. I still think that this would have this show probably would have had a better reception. Had they aired the first two episodes of once. Yeah jake what did you think. Yeah this is what i'm talking about. I gave the last episode of high tasted but this was an absolute tupperware. This was amazing television. And like i said my biggest disappointment of last week was not getting falcon and winter soldier together and this entire episode there together at you perfectly see why one of them together because they were hilarious together the psychiatrists was just. I was dying. How funny that was the action sequence with the two of them was way better than the action sequence in the first episode. I mean there was some actual shock moments when john walker pulled that gun out and shot the guy i was just like. Oh fuck you know. I love the reveal with isaiah in the episode. I mean this was an hour you know. What about forty five forty six minutes felt like it was ten minutes long. I was just so into it and so excited by it. Absolutely hilarious action packed. Stunning this peak. Television here i. I hope the rest of the episodes are on par with this one because this was great. I mean we're going to be jumping. Yeah we have had some spoilers here. But if you're you know. I'm guessing everybody's fucking watch this. Jesus christ everybody's watching falcon the winter soldier. I'm going to give the last episode. A high tasted. I am also going to give this up temporary. I absolutely loved it. I thought that the i like the action seen in the last one. You know the big the big falcon action scene at the beginning but this one with both of them together was just fantastic. It was awesome. I mean seeing bucky running like he's the t. One thousand down that road fucking you know hall and ask so he could jump on that on that semi was and then it just like the the action just ensued from. This is incredible. I i couldn't believe it you know. They're fighting people that got super soldier serum or something. They've got they've got super strength. I thought this was fantastic. And then what is the leader of the flag smashers. What's her name kerry. What's her name carly morgenthaler. She liked destroys. Red wing was just says man. That's something i wanted to do for a long time. But joe the thing is with us. brought up walker. You brought up walker and how they kind of like humanized him in this one. He's still a though right. Eat still addict by the end of the episode. The way that they left it off as like okay. They they set this up to humanize them a little bit more. Make him a little bit more of a sympathetic character but throughout the course of this episode you still don't like him is is how it worked for me especially by the end of it where he's like. Look if you're not going to be with me then then get the hell out of my way right. It's like okay. Well how darcus ac- willing to go to enforce that threat like is he going to try and get them. You know locked up or or just inconvenience. I mean you know clearly. He thinks that he has all the answers. And and also how insulting was that that he was like basically you know. Hey you guys are recap sidekicks. Now come be my sidekicks. Like are you fucking for real. I mean these guys is sidekick. Yeah like is he like a traditional villain or does or is he like the guy who's just basically being used by the government and doesn't really know that he's really in the wrong here you know. His eyes aren't opened and even us as the audience are is is opened as to like what's truly going on here except for we do know that the government at one time now we got introduced isaiah bradley and i find that very interesting that i feel like the government's probably still doing the exact same things they were doing back then in this day and age. Maybe that's where these you know people that we meet in episode the flag smashers this group. Maybe that's how they got their powers. maybe maybe they. They were test subjects for this new super soldier serum which was maybe head up by you. Know either the power broker or you know Ross himself general. Ross what do you think. Yeah i could see. And i agree with you. He's not the traditional villain. he's just is unaware truly what's going on and i wouldn't be surprised if by the end of this. We once again felt sympathy for the character. I mean i don't know how familiar you are. You are with what happens to john walker in the comics but eventually he's like paralyzed from the waist down from trying to be captain america. I wouldn't be surprised if something horrible happen to him in this series as well. Yeah i've kind of you know. I've sat on past episodes and i thought he would die very early. I don't think that's the case here. But i do think that his eyes will be open by the end of this by the end of the series. He'll he'll see really kind of like what's going on. They've kind of put some things in play here like at the beginning of the episode. We kind of saw him. You're talking with his wife. Olivia and then we saw talking to his buddy lemar hoskins and kind of wanted to point out that you know we find out that the government had been working doing the super soldier serum in testing it on iza bradley. You know this black man from the forties the world war two era and then they put them in prison for thirty years. Like what if they're still doing this with minorities today and you gotta think like you know this this new cap walker. He's he's got his wife. Black best friend is black. I mean if he starts seeing that the government is still doing it to in this day and age. This is just gonna totally change him. It's going to have him flip sides. And i feel like there might be more to this character than just maybe a death early on he might. He might survive this. He might not jake he might. He might be paralyzed by the end of this. But i do think by the end of this thing. His eyes will be open to everything. That's just my guess. I agree with that as well. I don't think he'll die. I'm in that camp as well but one way or another he's gonna be disillusioned by the government. I feel by the end of this. And to your other point i do think the flag smashers are probably also a continuation of those kinds of experiments. Gone awry. yeah yeah. Yea i think in the comics. The carly character in the show in the comics is carl. Yes and i believe he was a scientist working for the powerbroker who stole serum in. So i'm wondering if they're gonna do something similar to that with carly's character in if that's who was texting her You know in in chasing her down to the airfield and everything and in speaking of of soldier. Super soldier serum. What are the chances that this new cap has it. I don't think he does. I mean there's some argument online about it that i thought was really tantalizing. I why more on the side of he doesn't. But i mean he did do some stuff in that fight. That seemed like a little suspect. I just think he's a very. I think he's a very gifted athlete. I think he's a very gifted athlete. I could be wrong. But i think he's a very gifted athlete and anybody can. I think anybody can wield the shield. I mean they were. You know cap. Didn't hand it over to sam and say well before you used us. You've got to be injected with super soldier serum in order to handle the the she'll point anybody can handle the shield. It's just basically like you gotta learn how to use it. You know you gotta learn the physics of it and and you gotta learn how to use it and this guy been been practicing with it. We definitely saw a little bit of that with the footage of him. You know throwing the shield at bouncing targets and then we saw even in this fight where he kinda threw it and caught us. Buddy lemar hoskins. Who fell off the truck. I just think he's a really skilled athlete. I don't think that he is been enhanced with anything. That's just my guess. I could be wrong. I just. I did see him getting overpowered. He did struggle to kind of get up on the truck a little bit. I i feel like if captured did that he would just be able to basically hop up like a fucking jet. I almost you know. But he held his own against a handful of super soldiers. Really well i mean him and his buddy both did. Yeah but when they got punched. I know that the you know bucky bucky had. It's hard time with him. But i think it's a difference between you know six against what was it six or something against you know you know one guy. Yeah and then well and then you could even say. Possibly three of them weren't enhanced. Only bucky was so i dunno. Yeah it'll be interesting to see how that that whole angle with with the super soldiers are super soldier serum just plays out in this season like like. Do you think there's to chancy see and sam get injected with it. I don't know if that's ever happened in the comics or not. I don't think so. I don't think so. What do you think. Jake you think sam gets it. I don't think sam we'll get The serum and and. I also don't think that walker is enhanced. I don't think they would be mysterious about that. He would be leaving all over the place. you would just hear the noises from his punches in his attacks. I i don't think they would play with whether or not he got the serum out. I mean that's just my opinion. Yeah we could be wrong at the end of the day. Well that's something shooting guns if he's a super soldier. We don't know that though. I mean cap had a gun. You know back when you're watching the first venture i mean. When he was with the jalan commandos he had a gun but he was in war and so a government issued and he had a gun. And i mean if you go back and watch the first avenger. You can see him. In the howling commandos you break into like nazi camps and stuff like that and shooting the gun. So i mean i just maybe this this cap con- you know he's he's he's soldier boy man he's very comfortable with a gun just doesn't have the same kind of a for as much. He says he respects cap. Maybe he just doesn't live by the same code. I agree with that. I thought it interesting. That the way that walker and hoskins were able to find out where they were is because the government had been following redwing and they basically said that red wings government owned redwing had been destroyed. What you think thakin buck you've done about that in a hypothetical you think they would have destroyed redwing at that point. I think that they probably would have like tried to make it possible by the government right. I don't know like did somebody. Did someone tamper with it or red wing. Always been able to be tracked by because it was so weird from with torres last week. Talking about red wing. I kind of that raised red flags to me. And he was saying whenever the air force guys mess with his. Gary gets all buggy And so i mean yeah. They must've been messing within. Did they put some sort of like chip in it. That the sam could've taken apart and we. I mean shit in the first episode of sam headed apart and he didn't notice anything in there so that's interesting. Had it not been destroyed. Would they have destroyed it. Yeah i don't know how. I don't think he would. I think sam was really attached to redwing at the very least sidelined until they figure out how to stop the tracking right. Oh yeah agreed to try to get it off like the government's tracking devices. I i know that's a pointless question because none of that happens. Cross my mind watching the episode flag smashers. Are we supposed to be these sympathetic characters. Not yet at least to me. I mean you've got you've got from what i can tell like. Really good people taking them in and trying to protect them and it looked like were stealing vaccines and taking a refugee camps. Yes thing here's the thing we don't know enough of their agenda yet to to really definitively say if they're good or bad here's the thing and i was going to bring this up Before this episode even aired and it was a theory that i wanted to throw out there and you know we see all those all the vaccines calling it medicine. And we know that the flag smasher they liked the way the world was during the blip and they wanted to kind of restore that. So i i was theorising that maybe some sort of a an in. They've already said that. This this season will have it will deal with the with the pandemic. It would have like and i was thinking that maybe there would be a virus that would be unleashed by the villains of this season and these this group would be the group that would give out the vaccine to the half of the people that aren't in power to give them the power back and i know so that you know it would restore the fifty percent you know and and is that is that too much. Is that too much or is that what what these people really believe in like like these people. They're doing the right thing. If that is the case here where this you know this global virus gets gets released. And they're the only ones now. They've stolen this medicine. They have this medicine that that can Protect fifty percent of the people and they don't want to give it to the wrong people Is that am i crazy to think this now. I could see it. I mean if they liked the pre blip world they don't have the mystical means to make it happen the same way donald posted so they have to improvise. Do it the only way they can figure out how to do it. And i think what you've laid out is definitely a way that they could potentially make the same thing happen. And at that point they are not sympathetic characters. If that's like the final plant. But i i don't know i don't know if i don't know if it'll work out the way they want it to. A lot of people are thinking that maybe this could be the creation of the mutants. I don't know. I mean that is like another thing like we thought wanda vision was and i don't know if they're ready to jump into that just yet. I think it's a little bit premature for that. I just don't think like. I've heard rumors of people online saying like. Oh they've got. They stole super soldier. Serum and. I don't believe that that's the case at all. I'm wondering if if there was super soldier serum stolen like at some point the she gave to her crew just a power them up enough where they could go and take on this next step and and yeah i mean i think you theory holds a lot of weight. They they said in this episode. The you know they're they're unhappy with the governments of the world you know seemingly prioritizing these people that came back in and not giving enough help to the people that were there all along and so if they are taking these thing and maybe maybe i misunderstood this in the episode but if they are taking these you know vaccines or whatever. They are in their taking them to a refugee camp. If it's a refugee camp of people who came back from the blip than what if they've tampered with these things that are actually trying to take out all the refugees shit. yeah no. that's interesting. I hadn't thought of that. I mean it could be either either way. But i think you theory holds a lot of weight that that they want to you know. Take the population. And half again i do. I think that that's their main goal. I don't know how everything's going to play out. And i don't know if it's going to go down the way that they wanted. I think it'll i think it'll kind of fall apart for them. But i think i do think that this episode kind of set them up as a little bit more sympathetic than maybe we believe they are. But you know at the end of the day if they're trying to kill fifty percent of the people there. That's not the way to do it. And so you know they. They called a robin hood so she stealing from the rich to give maybe this to the poor. And maybe maybe that's not what they may. Maybe maybe they did steal money out of that swiss bank but it was to fund everything that they're doing here to try to restore the balance that they enjoyed during the blip and they don't wanna give up so we'll find out. I mean through this show i i still owe and let's talk about this. Let's talk about this zemo zima jake. One of the things that i mentioned in our investor day call was. I thought that they might try to get zemo to work with them. And it looks like we're gonna be having that here. I don't know how he gets busted out of. I don't know how he gets busted out. Honestly i don't know if they show up there and they're talking to zemo and then all of a sudden like sharon carter views this as a way to get him. Bust him out of there because they're going to need him and the reason he's wearing the purple ski masks. The entire time is basically. You know so. People won't know that it's him when he's out there in the world because he's a wanted man but it just adds another villain into this show that i think that after the second episode that i love so much more than the first episode i think adding daniel bruhl to episode three and going forward is only going to elevate show to another level that i cannot wait to 'cause i absolutely love daniel bra and i love seeing him play zemo and he's one of the better mcu villain. I mean when you when you think about the the the ones that we've really loved you know. Low key and banos and agatha i would i would put daniel brew for a limited time. He had that. I would put him up there. I think he's really fucking god. I agree with that. He's also one of the very few that's lived. I mean if you start naming every villain from mcu movie very few of them have been able to come back at all most of get disposed of within nerve movies when also say how many of them have succeeded the way he did i mean his plan worked. Yeah definitely divided. The avengers just like you wanted it to. Yeah he was like fucking kevin spacey at the end of seven right. Yeah very modern but instead of fucking killing him like he wanted to be killed and seven. They kept him alive and put them in prison. I got real hannibal lecter. Five with the way they're using this care totally into this episode as actually going to mention that one hundred percent. They're going to kind of like careers. Going to talk to the serial killer about you know the serial killers that are out there. And he's the guy that knows most hydra and he wants to know what he knows about the flag smasher. So that'll be really fucking cool. I'm really looking forward to it. Do you think this show and let's get an. I'm gonna get do some wild theories to do. You think that i think at the end of this show we might find out like the one of the main guys behind this and the government is general. Ross i do i do. I don't think taking ignore that character like he. He asked to either be mentioned or brought up and i. yeah. I think he will be involved. I here's a wild theory. I'm going to throw it out there. But i think at the end of some of these shows and some of these movies were gonna see generoso recruiting members to thunderbolts team. I love that idea. I hope that's true. I think zemo might be the first recruit to a thunderbolts. Team might even be the leader of this thunderbolts. Team behind ross. And then i also want to throw out there. That i think that the next time we might seem after that and this might be the tie in that we all wondered about how will black widow in anything. I think. There's a good chance that we might see general. Ross trying to recruit ewelina belova the new black widow into the thunderbolts. I love it. I hope that's true. That would be great. That'd be funds sequence of like post credit scenes to build up to something really cool. Yeah i'm just you know. Sometimes these theories you just gotta swing for the fences and i'm having fun with it man. I'm having a lot of bond coming up days and stuff like that. So we'll see we'll see what ends up happening. You will ever get general. Ross as the red hawk by the time. we get to a full-blown. I really do think that's that's going to happen. I think that i think fight. He knows that we want to see it and they do the to see a fight between two hawks and then possibly a she hulk as well. That'd be incredible. How can you not do that. I do think if we're going if we are going thunderbolts. I think we're definitely gonna get red hulk and we're going to get ross's red hulk. I do one hundred percent. Yeah yep. I'm also here in his a rumor that i'm going to throw out there that we're talking. I talked about you. Alina below play florence. Pugh she's going to be in the new black widow movie. I'm hearing she shows up in the hawk series. Oh wow i'm hearing. She shows up in the hawk nafta after the whole season. But i hear she shows up at least one episode sushi. She will not dine with a movie. If that's the case well i mean. They've got basically all the rooms that we've heard she's going to be taking up the mantle for black widow going forward she might have she might have been involved in the in the snap. Jake that's another thing way. Yeah that's another thing that you know when we might get you know a scene of like her coming back you know after the after the snap so i wonder if that's more setup stuff for down the road like if they're going to have her pop into the hawkeye series to set up a friendship you know between her and kate bishop and then it's gonna pay off later on down the road for young engineer isaiah's exactly like young young avengers. Yeah what. I'm thinking is this all set up is kevin feige just moving those chess pieces around. Yes or for something. Bigger down the road that'd be super with speed and wiccan and then we've got you know is as grandson who then turns into. Is it patriot. And so yeah. I mean they're definitely could be sending our our fifth vendors. Movie could be a young avengers film and that might be what they're setting up here. I've heard a lot of really. You guys want to hear some hawkeye rumors. Yep yeah i hear that. The main villain is from the matt fraction and david comic. Which is they're going to go with as the main villain and then i've also heard that the tracksuit mafia are also in the series and that the first half of the series is a more of a clint barton centric story and then the second half of the series jumps into kate bishops story. And then we'll talk about this later on in marvel news but i hear that echo her basically set up really well in the series and kind of like her origin story. So by the time we get to you know her own show. That will talk about a fuck it. We'll talk about it now. She's getting around. Show that news was dropped by variety. By the time we get to her own show will know a lot about that character before we even dive into that show. We're not going to be going in blind eye or shut out jerry characters. Fuck you guys yeah. I missed that variety news. That echoes getting her own show. No yeah yeah. He came from variety. Hawkeye series at disney plus may have already be beginning a spin off a show centered on echo death native american character. Who will be played by a lack of cox. Hawkeye series is in the early stages of development for disney plus variety has learned exclusively from sources eaten cohen and emily cohen are attached to write and executive produce the show with a writer's room. Recently being assembled so yeah echo whose real name is. Maya lopez has the ability to perfectly copy another person's movements or fighting style making her a formidable opponent in battle in the marvel. Comics echo crosses paths with characters daredevil moon knight and the avengers two is also the first person to hold the title of ronin before it onto clint barton In at the beginning of avengers endgame barton briefly used the name ronin and went rogue from the avengers after losing his family in the van of snap. So yeah we're getting echo series a spin spinoff from hawkeye echoes. Going to get on series. that's awesome. it's a character. I've always loved david. Mack had a lot of input into her creation and he's always been one of my favorite comic book artists. So it's really cool i. It's weird to see her in the mcu before daredevil who i also really associate the character being you know involved storylines with. Yeah but they never heard of that character before is that similar to what taskmasters ability is very very similar. Yeah cool. I wonder how that will play and also with black widow coming out so soon taskmaster being in that. Yeah i know i mean. Are they going to be able to connect the two. I don't know. I mean that is a question that people have had since i said that echo is going to be in the series is like wow she sounds a lot like tasker. Who were getting so yeah. It's pretty wild. Got an email here from eric. Mail about the falcon and the winter soldier episode and he wrote this before the second episode came out so i don't know if his thoughts have changed on this but he said hey guys glad to finally have this great marvel content finally in regards to the character of john walker. You mentioned that you speculated that he could possibly be killed take an alternate use of the character from what the comics dead. And i love the character as i went so far as to dress up as at two but i really like the idea. What really made me think that this could happen. After watching wanda vision at the end of that white vision and scarlet which ended with very cinematic costumes. They looked they really look top quality but looking at us agent and although his costume has a nice design with the new stylized a and such but the material use the finish of the costume and feeding just looks and feels cheap. Not that. I expected him in the movies but really suggests that it will not be used as much as it just has a cheap feel. I don't know if you looked at him in that respect but he looks very temporary and very throwaway in quality. You may be onto something. And and jake go take a day off and dig through your storage unit. Your storage unit. W what does that mean. Oh i told him he could have my wonder man action figure that it used to be a wizard comics. Magazine sent away. Figured you remember this figure at all. I don't yeah. They used to do like every month in wizard magazine. You can send away for an exclusive wizard magazine figure. And when i was moving ice it eric. A picture of my wonder man figure just to get him all flipping out over it. And recently i told him when i came across it again he could just happened. There's no need for me to have it rotten box when someone would enjoy it as much as eric. Okay all right yeah. Had i read that. What the entire. I have no idea. I just thought he was drunk. But yeah what do you guys think here. Do you think. I don't know after this episode. I think that they've got more planned for this guy through throughout the series. I don't know po- series. But i think through this series. I think they've got they've definitely got more plan for this guy. Yeah and. I don't think i see what he was saying. After the first episode suit look better in the second. Yes yes it didn't look like. He bought it from a wish in the second episode. It definitely looked a lot better. I kinda got rid of those. He's a generic captain america ideas by the second episode. At least in esthetics and in the cost you did look cheap at the beginning but like the second episode when we got a closer look at it wasn't the same suit from the last episode from the first one it's interesting it just looked better. Though for some reason we just got to see more of it and more of an action. Yeah also getting a better sense of of the person who's wearing it and not just you know looking at a picture of this guy in seeing somebody else steve rogers mantle. I don't see how anybody could be a fan of the mcu and watch the end of that. First episode not have a visceral reaction of. Yeah dan then when we actually especially the way they started this episode out with humanizing him. I felt like the. I felt like they did a lot to make us care a little bit more about this guy. But not so much the like he's endeared to us but i do think that they have plans for them and they're not gonna just kill them off right away and he is going to be something that's going to go through. This and i almost wonder if something's going to happen like you were saying he's you're going to get paralyzed. Just have some sorta come to jesus moment where he just gives the the shield over to sam right you know. Hey you're the one who's supposed to have this. Yeah yeah because that would probably be ultimately more cathartic and endure s more to the character If he actually does finally come around to the moment of here you go. You're the one that's supposed to do this. I'm going to keep kicking ass. Okay now we can like you right. Yeah yeah like and maybe like instead of you being my sidekick i'll be yours and then he gives us that cheesy wink again that he got at the end of the first steps. Do you think we'll see isaiah bradley again throughout this season. Do you think this okay and do you think that maybe him and bucky will fucking be able to talk this out and we're going to be the one that will eventually go back there. Because sam gave that house a meaningful look before. He laughed like he was remembering. You know i'm gonna come back here again in in you know. Sam might be able to be the guy to get through to him because clearly is a and bucky have rarely size has got a lot of bad blood towards bucky. Yeah i'll man if we could get. One flashback scene like we got the flashback scene last week of like bucky killing that. One guy your son if we could get one flashback in this. I want to see young isaiah kicking the winter. Soldiers ass in. A flashback yeah and at that bar that they met up at you know i. That's what i wanna see. Dow fucking awesome his crime in an action. Yes dude yes. That's the flashback. Fucking white man. Oh my god. I almost feel like i'm gonna be disappointed if we don't get that right. Yeah really wanna see that meet to. I mean they really kind of set that up. And i'm like holy shit. Can you hear your imagination. Starts running wild and they start talking about shit like that. That's like that's a fucking. Obi wan kenobi talking about the clone wars in a in a new hope. And you're like wait to find out what that's about it. It'd be awesome. Yeah oh we're into a comic totally. See that being a scene that you'd get probably like in a full issue or something. Oh yeah if they do it if they do. If we do get that in the season i really please dedicate a good ten to fifteen minutes showing that to me. Please please and i just wanted to be. I just wanted to be a part. You know i'd be happy with it. Just being the opening of the episode that would loss right opening when it also begs the question. How many times. it's bucky lost his arm and fights. I would say that one time and that. Oh no we've seen it in the movies theives. I would say that one. That time was probably the first time. Yeah and then ironman fluid off exactly civil war. Yeah so that's what i loved about this episode trapped kinda like underneath the truck and the guy is stomping on his vibe radium arm. I'm like dude giving up a lot of good unless you're wearing vibe radium boots you are doing nothing even go to meet up with zemo. What are the chances zemo. Trying to use the words on him again and did what kanda. He'll bucky enough to where now the words can have any effect on him. What do you think jank will try the words that will bring the winter soldier now. Maybe for a joke. I could see them using it as like just a cheap joke. But i don't think he'll legitimately try. I think it'd be great if we try to do it. And then bucky acts like he's gonna fucking shit salmon the head and then he's and then nothing happens and that's what i'm saying. They would use it for like a humor moment. Yeah oh one hundred percent. I don't. I'm not saying he's going to revert back to. I think i think he was. I think a lot of healing took place in kinda a lot of healing. But there's still some trauma that he's dealing with from all the people that he killed. Those are those are memories that he can't erase back. when he became the white panther. no white wolf stare. i get it that's from. I love the scene. Where where where the kid call him. Black balcony about funny and he's like okay just because i'm black. I'm the blake shelton. Who are you black kid. And i was just burn san. That was funny. It's not like a black lightning. Burn to me making fun of black lightning the character. Yeah his name. yeah. I love this episode. I absolutely loved. I loved their therapy session. I thought that that was funny. And the way that they kind of you know. Both didn't i think i think that their friendship is going to be. It'll be mended throughout the season. Of course but i think for right now. They're just using each other to to stop this group the flag smashers. But i love that that therapy seen that we got of them together. I thought that that was hilarious. Yeah i loved it so much when they had to get close to each other and the staring contest. What are you doing. this is historic. He's sweet jesus stop link. She's so exasperated with children. Yeah i love this episode. Any final thoughts about the second episode of the falcon and the winter soldier egg on those two together. Finally as what this needed. Yeah it's what was sorely lacking in that first episode. It did help. it did help man. Joe i keep going back to like what you said last week like it felt like zero episode where and it really did just like a lot of setup and i think the biggest problem with this one is dropping both at the same time. As the fact that it only runs six episodes. Yeah and it would've been looking at a different negative and in being that we're already two weeks into it you know. It's it's all water under the bridge it. I'm one hundred percent on board with this show regardless. Yeah i think they built a like faith with us fans throughout twenty plus movies and also want vision. That we're gonna come back. It isn't like the first episode was bad. It was i think i tasted. I mean that's a damn good rating still. Yeah yeah honestly. If i could retro rated it'd be a taste that compared to this fucking i'm right there with you. I thought the exact same thing that almost went down grade just from how good this right like this episode like it just showed me how good this show can be now right and so much. The last episode didn't matter which was disappointed the right word but it's like why did we waste all that time with this sister and the bank in the low not going through. When is any of that even coming back up again. Well i mean it's yeah i mean it's basically like how people that were gone during the blip come back and can't get their lives back together like and we're seeing a lot of. What are the flags masters trying to do. They're trying to create a balance between you know the people that were in power and to the people think about all the people that fucking that when when when when when people are snapped away that meant that other people like in their positions at their jobs they got promotions. And then what do you do when the when the old people come back like are these people pushed out of those jobs now like are they forgotten kind of like you know like when when that world war two and all the men went to war and the women went to the factories and stuff like that you know so i mean i think that maybe they're not doing it in the best way jake butt. They're trying something here. They're trying to show how the world was affected by the blip. Okay yeah that's a great point. That's a great point even if we don't get back to those characters and that situation it was mostly used as an example of how the blip affected livelihoods exactly. Yeah yeah to rewatch the series. Do you think you'd just started on episode or do you think you'd for the sake of completion of still started on episode one. I'd start on episode starter. that episode. One yeah going back. And what's what's great about going back and watching wanda vision have you guys. Have you guys gone back and watch any of the episodes of division sense. It's completed not. i have not. But are you picking stuff up that they laid Breadcrumbs early like this like this scene where It's the second episode the bewitched episode with. They're all at the dinner table and he's choking the husband's choking on the food and the wife played by what's her name deborah jeb jeopardy from from that seventy show like when. She's when she's yelling. Stop like it's. It's almost like watching a horror movie because you really you know that. This woman is is trapped in the sitcom world and really doesn't have a lot of control here but the only words that she can muster in this moment are stopped because she seeing her husband died before her is trying to play this fucking role in this in this world that wanders created the only words that she can get out and she's saying stop and kind of saying like half laughing trying to it's it's horrific watches top it. Yeah she's just staring right at wanda saying it. Yeah yeah and that's all she can get out. It's the the rewatch. Wanda vision is wild. Joe nice and like it so much. The first time through their short episodes. I need to jump back in and rewatch it. Yeah yeah it's wild. Let's take a break and then we'll come back and jump into our good pop bedtime for the week. Awesome you something brother. You should head over to pop culture leftovers dot com and use the amazon shopping link for all your shopping needs the cream of the crop. Roy's do the dump dig it. Speaking of green play it on amazon. Not one hundred percent. Sure yell told my little hulkamania maniacs say your prayers take your vitamins and you will never go wrong brother and listen to you can buy those vitamins through the amazon shopping lake on pop culture leftovers dot com he just oughta neon orange cowboy hit the curtain of slim. Jims snap into a slim jim over to pop culture leftovers dot com now and use the link because what chicken ado brother went pop. Culture leftovers runs wild on you. All right hey welcome back. It is now time for good pop. Bedbugs views good. Good pampers where we talk about the things in the previous weekend or weeks that we watched read. Sometimes we rate these things you already know our rating system. So let's jump into what we watched. American gods season three ended this past week and if this show gets cancelled. Now fuck you stars. It came back season. Three came back with a vengeance to it's been phenomenal. It has been phenomenal. There is like if you're watching. American gods season three. Reach out to me reach out to me. Let's talk. oh my god i got. I have nobody to talk to you about american guides and it has just this this season three just left us. They did something again in the penultimate episode of this season. That blew me away and then kind of hinted something with a character that i did not see coming all my god. I did not see this coming for this character. And if it's true it adds a whole nother layer to this and the way that the season ended in. The finale was just as incredible so many questions. I cannot wait for season for if it happens. But this is typically where stars likes to cancel shows. So i don't know if they have any plans and bringing this one back. They've had a lot of problems with even getting seasons. Two and three out there pretty much like sometimes it feels like close to two years in between seasons. I mean first came out in two thousand seventeen. It was like a year and a half between seasons two and then seasons three and so who knows if we do get a season for it could be twenty sometime in late. Twenty twenty two before we get it early. Twenty twenty three. Who knows but man. I i really want season four. I really want season four now. Absolutely top where the season about it was phenomenal. Fantastic and ian mcshane just fucking force. I was blown away. That crispin glover did come back. Throughout the season. After what i thought was an exit of him playing the character of mr world he would basically just take different faces. This season one was danny. Trae ho another one. Was this this black woman and i don't. I'm not familiar with the actor that was playing that she was with with that actor so but it was just it was really awesome. This season. Seeing crispin glover comeback after so many people have left the show. So i fucking tupperware the fuck out of american gods season three absolutely loved it. It was great. Jesus christ joe you gotta watch this shit man. I love the first season so much. And then i just don't have stars anymore. It's that's really the only thing from watching. I love that first season. It was so good. Yeah i'll hook you up man arc. Upper is hopefully. It's not like star trek movies or every other one is crap and every other one is good if you come back for season for hopefully it's not back to the season to doldrums again. No i think if they keep it the same show runners that they've got now back on track to making it. As good as it was season one season to cease to had its moments was not perfect. It had its moments you still had orlando jones. In the season penultimate episode was phenomenal. Seemed to and it had its moments but season three was just fucking return to form an amazing. I know that shows gone through some show. Runner changes which seasons had which show runners trying to think think it was could be wrong here but i think drew goddard was involved in this in the first season was different. Show runners for the second and third. Yeah yeah. I couldn't tell you who the second third season showrunner is. Okay if it's the same showrunner from seasons two or three or did they change again. They changed they changed three okay so in theory. If they keep these same show runners season four could be pretty damn good. It could be really fucking good especially with the way left off man so good it was so fucking god i i loved it. I loved it. Let's see here real quick louder milk if you did watch that it was on. At and t.'s. Audience channel so they have their own channel. At and t.'s. Audience channel and it got cancelled after season two. This is the peter fairly and bobby moore created show and it stars ron livingston from office space off. Also from saving saving private ryan. No that's private ryan. He was in band of brothers. Excuse me but Ron livingston is the main character on this one. He plays sam louder milk. He's a recovering alcoholic and substance abuse. Counselor and it's also music critic at one time and it's just a very. He's just a very loud sarcastic. Kind of not loud. He's more of our casting jerk and even though he's got a sobriety control he's still trying to figure out how to live his life with with with being sober. So it's it. I thought the first season was fantastic. I absolutely loved it. I got rid of. At and t. or no. I got rid of directtv. Who bought out direct tv. And so i never watched the second season amazon. Has it now. So amazon has the first two seasons. And i think they're launching the third season if they haven't launched it yet. They're launching it soon. So it is coming back thursdays. And i love the show. Joe you would fucking love this show. You would fucking love this. Show it is. It is so funny nicely. I like ron livingston. So i'd probably dig it. Yeah it's really fucking funny yeah. I love louder milk. So yeah if you've never seen it yeah. The first two seasons are on amazon. And i love louder milk. I gave it a tupperware. I'm slowly making my way through the second season now. I think i'm through just the first three episodes. But i'm loving it so far i went to the theater today. I was gonna see it last night. But i ended up not super tired and not want to go to the theater that late so i saw nobody in the theater. This is the new bob. Odenkirk film he plays hutch mansell in under estimated in mild manner. Family man described as being unresisted. His life's hardships one night to thieves break into his suburban home and he declines to defend himself or his family hoping to prevent any serious complications. His son blake and wife. Becca wanted in hutch- and begin to drift away from him. The incident ignites his resentment about being an unsubstantial father and husband thus awakening his suppress skills and illuminating his dark secrets. Instructed by ilia nice schuler and written by derek kolstad. The creator of the john wick franchise film stars. Like i said bob odenkirk. Connie nielsen alexi. Sarah break off and christopher lloyd is also in this movie plays yeah plays bob odenkirk stat and yeah man. It's you start off the movies an hour and a half it it moves and it starts off with like this couple breaking into his house and wanting to steal what they have there and he has a moment where son has one of the people in a headlock and he is behind the second person. That's trying to pull off this. This robbery of their home and he can hit him with a golf club and he refuses to do so and tells his son to let go of of the person and to give them what they want. Let him leave instead of and and you find out like throughout the movie like this guy. This guy comes from a background. Where he's he's he's trained. I'm not going to give everything away. But he's he's he's trained he can. He can definitely defend himself. He just doesn't want to incite any kind of like violence and then bringing bring any attention to their home and and you know he he kind of without yeah. I really don't want to spoil it for people that are going into this one so i stopped there but i thought the i thought he i thought played a really good action. Star in this. Like it has elements john wick. But then when you look at him it's also got like it also reminds you of like the first diehard where it's like you got you don't when you look at bruce willis back in those days you didn't think of events as an action star right. No it wasn't like a stallone or sports in egger now build or physique by any means yeah and he coming off of moonlighting. And i know that like bob odenkirk spent doing more serious stuff but like even in breaking bad character was kind of like you know comedic and i haven't been watching better call saul so i couldn't tell you but so we usually lawyer. Yeah exactly but i mean this guy. One of the hardest working guys in hollywood. In my opinion. I mean you think about this guy. He started off on the ben stiller. Show you know with with ben stiller. Doing sketch comedy ben stiller and and andy dick. And what's her name. What's her name from on talking about. What's she was in. You guys don't know what the you don't need. No simon simon theme song janine garoppolo. Thank you brian. Jimmy garoppolo starting off on that sketch comedy. Show with those guys. Then going to mr show. This guy is just a just a hard working guy in hollywood and for him to like take on like this new kind of like action hero raw. I thought was pretty incredible. There's a scene very early in the movie. Where like it's the scenery's where he's coming back. You know like the john wick. Seen you ask if i'm back on track and it's got like a scene of him on a bus with some shitty guys that you know the the you know all dressed like in leather jackets and they just fucking were drinking wreck. Their car got onto the bus because they need a ride. Now they're all drunk and like it's it's him a young girl and he's worried about this young girl safety her getting home and so he's like well fuck you know. It's almost like that. You know it's almost like you know. Got to crack your knuckles and fucking do what you gotta do and just to see him. Kick these guys ass and way he does it inside. This very confined boss is just fucking incredible. And then from that moment on. Like and you'll get scenes at christopher lloyd in this to that are fucking great and i had a blast of this movie at the action was fantastic. I i don't think it's as good as john wick. But i'm still gonna give it at tupperware still gonna give it a tupperware. I really enjoyed this one and it felt awesome. I'm not just had such a great trailer. I was so excited to see this glad that it wasn't just over hyped by the trailer not at all. I don't think so. I don't think so and it moves man. It's an hour and a half the last last action scene. I i can kind of compare it to like home alone in a way a very viral. A very violent home below. That sounds awesome. Yes so right with jake on this one. I'd seen the trailer thought it looked great and hearing you give it a tupperware. I can't wait for this to come out on digital it was fun. It was just a lot of fun it was. It was really what i needed man to like. You know you go into the theatre wanting to watch a good action movie right before the summer hits and just of really get me into that that like mentality of like yeah man. We're going to get some action movies. We're going to get some big summer blockbusters. Hopefully this year that we will see some of us will be able to enjoy it home. Some of us will be able to enjoy the theater before this one started. I got to see some trailers that i had not seen in the theater before Some i had seen in the theater before but one of the drillers that i had not seen the trailer for and it was the green band. Trailer wasn't even the red band trailer. But it got me super excited for it was mortal combat. All by god all my god. I cannot wait to see. I am seeing this in the theater and i cannot fucking wait jake. The movie looks so fucking incredible on the big screen that's awesome. I don't know that. I've seen the greed ban trailer for this honestly. The theater that i went to didn't play the red band and it was it was it was basically all the stuff but without jack's getting his arms ripped out the blood you got the you got the animality with the fire dragon and shit. You got all that stuff. But you didn't get like all the fucking blind and everything but man looks good. Looks good. can't wait to just totally. It looks like they really did a good job. Capturing mortal combat. Yeah yeah i went. I didn't even. I didn't even go like to the to watch nobody. I didn't go to the big deal x. marcus where burgtheater. I just went to the to the local theater here. The avon and it was five bucks. That's i think. That's how i'm gonna fuck in mortal kombat to drop five bucks and go watch on a big screen nice. I'll movies there five bucks for for now because they're just trying to beat covid man. Yeah that's a great fucking deal hard to pass up. Joe did you watch. I didn't watch it season two. But i just was curious. 'cause i love season. One solar opposites. Did you watch one. No it's still on my list. Because i heard i heard you and i think paul hart also just absolutely glowing about what a great season it was and and when i saw this list like shit i don't have time to watch all season one yet. Yeah but but no. I mean i've heard nothing but good things about it and it sounds like it's right up my alley. Yeah yesterday. I think yeah yesterday the season to draft. I haven't started. it's on hulu. And it's from the rick. And morty people so i haven't started it yet but i cannot wait to start season into of solar opposite so i'll probably be watching that now i'll give everybody updates on it just like i've been fucking updating everybody every few weeks and on my american guide season three watch jake. I know you watched another round. I did not get a chance to see this. This is the mads mikkelsen movie. Yes what did you think about this and this this is on. Is this on amazon. I watched this on who. That's on hulu. It's on hulu. What's this about A short synopsis. A theory that we should be born with a small amount of alcohol on our blood and that modest debray shin will open our minds to the world around us diminishing our problems and increasing our creativity so go and by that theory martin who is played by mads mikkelsen and three of his friends. They're all high school teachers on an experiment to maintain a constant level of intoxication throughout the workday. So basically these four guys sides that they always gonna maintain a point zero five blood alcohol content every day. They build like rules where they can't drink past eight pm. They can't drink on the weekends but every other time throughout their lives. They're always going to be at that point. Zero five blood alcohol level and see if it gives them better lives. There's all kinds of other historical figures that have done this Churchill did this. He had a heavy data alcohol when he won world war. Two in didn't s- nikki. Do this brought it. Didn't cast the jersey shore do this. I don't think those are good examples. Though of people that were very successful and enlightened by doing how they started every day with a cognac. I think a glass of cognac and a full bottle of champagne. Yeah his breakfast. Famous musicians have done this as well to help creativity you when creating symphonies and stuff like that and so. That's kind of the premise of this movie. These guys just start drinking all the time and they're drinking on the job there high school teacher. So they're actually sneaking booze into the high school to maintain that point zero five blood alcohol level while while teaching the students and this is a very good movie. I'm gonna give it a high taste. It just a lot of fun. It is a subtitled movie It's a danish movie so you have to not be allergic to subtitles. I know there's some people out there that have that problem. I don't get that Subtitles really don't take anything away for me. I have no problem with them. So i didn't have a problem with that but yeah i mean this is. It's very funny parts. It's very sad at parts. you see how all drinking affects all these guys not only jobs but like their relationships with their wives and their children and their other friends. That are part of this agreement. They're not telling anyone but each other about what's going on and this was a wild movie. Maj was just fantastic. Just great acting from him and yeah man this. This was really fucking good. It almost made me. I'm not much of a drinker so it almost made me nauseous. Homage drinking was happening this movie and just how well they portrayed them having that level of blood alcohol and i mean you know how it works. If you're drinking all the time like that eventually you just need more and more booze to maintain that level so it just kind of spirals out of control and a lot of bad things happen because of what they're doing and Yeah i strongly recommend this. I think you would love this. Brian already trying to say. I'm not trying to say as i raise a glass to my lips. This is really cool. I had a great score on a lotta great music just throughout the movie. This was a lot of fucking fun. And it's doing really well and a lot of the different Like awards circuits. I know it was nominated for a golden globes. I might have got some oscar lopez. Well i'm not a hundred percent sure. Okay yeah i strongly recommend list another round on hulu. Another around on hulu yeah. I'll check that out. I'll check that out. Let's talk about one of the big ones this week. Let's jump into this one. We'll get joe involved in this invincible strapped on amazon it's mark grayson is a normal teenager except for the fact that his father nolan is the most powerful superhero on the planet. Shortly after his seventeenth. Birthday mark begins develop powers of his own and enters into his father's tutelage adult animated superhero streaming television series. That's based on the comic book character of the same name by robert kirkman and art by ryan otley. It premiered on amazon and they. They dropped three issue. Three episodes of this and i want point out that i really do think that this is one of the most incredible cast that we've ever seen assembled on a show. You can tell that a lot of people wanted to work with kirkman on this. A lot of people in the walking dead family wanted to work with kirkman on this. They got steven. Jahn as mark grayson. Sandra oh's debbie grayson mark's mother j. k. Simmons plays nolan grayson. Mark's father the most powerful superhero. We've got a group here of you. Know kind of the justice league called the guardians of the globe and they got lauren cohan from she plays maggie on the walking dead so unequal martin green. She was also on the walking dead. Chad l coleman michael cutlets also from walking dead is in this ross. Ross marquand from the walking. Dead zachary quinto. Gillian jacobs jason man. Soukous griffin walton. Geoghegan's seth rogan zazie. Beetz clancy brown. Oh my god. Yeah i almost last week. I could have i got. I got offered to interview clancy brown. I told you about this jake and so it was one of those things where they wanted to. They wanted to have the interview on the same day that i record. Pcl and i was like listen. I told them. And i know it's clancy brown and said listen. I if i'm going to do it has to be after three o'clock because that's when we're that's when before three o'clock because that's when i record pl and honestly came down to the fact that like yeah it's clancy brown i loved him in shawshank redemption and i loved him in starship troopers. He's the voice of mr crabs. This guy's done everything. And i i just. I wasn't gonna play my whole day around our listeners com to listen to us talk about the snyder cut in the falcon winter soldier gave week for. It was a big week for us into the big week for our listeners. Frost and i had already made plans to record with all with you. Joe and jason and k and fill up and and. Dan asked and everybody that was involved. I'd already made plans with you guys. So i was not going to let an interview with clancy brown get in the way of that because you guys are more important and the listeners data the listeners people that would want to hear that interview there's more listeners that want to hear. Our thoughts are on the justice league and on the falcon winter soldier. And i'm not trying to blow myself and be like. Oh my god look at me for for turning in an interview and honestly jake nothing happened. We didn't turn anything down there. Their reps never got back to the people that were trying to set up the interviews and they still haven't like i have not heard anything back so if i were to cleared out my whole day for that interview and waited to hear back nothing would've happened and we would have had no episodes out that week. Not worth that risk at all. We've been so few big movies to talk about in this last year to that. It was like we had zack. Snyder's justice league. We couldn't just put that on the shelf. Yeah so. I'm glad trusted my gut and went with my guy and i said our listeners are more important and these episodes are more important. And if the stars don't align and i can't interview clancy brown and it was supposed to be an interview you know about. He's an promising young woman and we're going to talk about that movie but if the stars don't line i can't do it. I'm not going to stress myself out over it so things i made. I the right decision harder. Percent man. mark. Hamels in this mae whitman from arrested development mahershala ali michael dorn ezra miller nicole buyer giant. Han soo jon. Hamm is insane for invincible. This cast is insane. It is crazy i mean. I wonder if i don't know when they started making this and when they started hiring people but just possibly the pandemic has something to do with how they were able to get so many people were so many people just not busy doing actual acting that. Don't take this voice acting gig. Well i think that a lot of people from the walking dead wanted to work with kirkman again. Seth rogan is involved in in the live. Action version of invincible. That's going to be coming out eventually. So he went. I guess he wanted to be in this as well. And i think with you know you've got you've got the name robert kirkman big name because of the walking dead. And then you've got seth rogan. That's a big name. You're gonna you're going to get some people like you know like jason man soukous and but yeah. I don't know how they got everybody that they guy walton coggins j. k. simmons. Jake i don't know but it might be. The pandemic might be a big part of this. Maybe easier to just record your voice and to get it out there and then to do all this filming and stuff. I don't know yeah. what about you. Great it's now I was gonna say it's a perfect storm. That led to this then joe. I have you finished reading invincible. Oh yeah yeah dude i. It's like what is it like one hundred forty issues hundred twenty some hundred and thirty or something. I don't be wrong. It's it's less than one hundred fifty. It's somewhere right in there and quite honestly like taken is a full run from from the first issue to the last issue. I think it's one of the best comics. There is When when the last time i read it i read it. I started on issue one and read it completely all the way through starting in august last year and there wasn't a single storyline a single story arc whereas like this is boring. Let's let's get this over with onto the next one while kirkman was really right in some filler. These days and there wasn't a single run like that. I mean it was just such a good book in any. Does the kirkman thing with where you know. We all know. We all know superhero stories. And he's he's even taking characters that are similar tino like the justice league in putting him in this and he's subverting your expectations of it and he's kind of turning things on its head and and giving his own take on these things and in taking the series as a whole invincible is one of my favorite. Ip's that's out there. And so i've been really really looking forward to this and do geeking out just watching the trailer when that dropped like a month or so back and the i had a very very emotional experience watching episode one i never. I don't think i've ever had cartoon makes me react like that. And i think it's just. Because i i hold the source material in such high regard and in in i very familiar with the complete story arcs of each of these characters but dude in that scene in the first episode where mark in his dad or having a heart to heart on the roof. That building like fucking ugly crying in my bedroom in front of my tv. Like just like oh my god they nailed the heart on the so and there's so many so many scenes in this that are just pulled straight out of the comics and god they just fucking nail that you can tell that they have so much love in in reverence for the source material in the way that they're pulling it through and then having you know a voice cast this stellar on top of it. I think we're all in for some really special as this goes along. It's the first season going to go. Eight episodes is that correct. That's what it looks like. I'm looking at it on. Imdb it's only. has stephen yunnan for for eight episodes. Yeah and they haven't greenland season two. But hopefully i mean we might get a season two announcement within days. If this thing fucking blows up man. I i really really hope it does. Because from from his faithful as they've been to the source material so far do if they ride this out through the entire series like. We are really in for a treat. I mean and i'd say if you know if you've never picked up a comic book and you've always been teetering on the edge of it and be like all the you know it's i. I know how intimidating can be to go into a comic bookstore for the first time. And just see i mean every space of every wall covered in books and just think holy shit. Where do i start all this continuity on these between dc and marvel. I i tell you man. Pick up pick up the first trade or the first compendium. Or if you have comics algae unlimited. I'm pretty sure the i ten trades are all free for for unlimited. So i mean you talking. What six seven dollars for a month and you could dive in and read the first ten issues or ten paperback trades of invincible dude. It's that is so worth the price and it's such a good is just such a damn good series. It's it has everything it needs. I mean it's. It's got heart humor in her relics. It's fucking it's perfect. It's got aliens. Androids and wizards big. This is the question. I've got to ask jake your notorious for watching the first episode and then that's it yes and this'll tell me a lot. Did that happen here. Oh for sure. are you serious. Yeah i just watched the first episode. How do you only watch one episode of this. I'm gonna say right now. This is a tupperware for me. And i could not stop watching this. I watched all three all the way through. How could you only watch one episode. I didn't realize there was more than one episode of the with you. I thought this was one a week and didn't know that there was a few on there. It goes right into the second. If you let it play. They dropped off so we'll never know. If jacob watched all three edgy known that their episodes two and three would you have continued watching. I would've watched the second episode just based on the way the first episode ended. I sure okay. Oh yeah that hurts fan. I should i. I didn't think i'd have to tell you that they were doing. They draft three high. It's like babysit tasted and it's a fucking tasted fuck. I what kind of fucking crackerjack co host. Why have on this jake joe. I'm offended now offended right high taste. It's a great rating dude. What he what the fuck episode. Give you the what washed it over to the edge is robert kirkman. Have to fuck it. Knock on your door and blow your deck. What the fuck jake. What's keeping it from being a high tasted to a tupperware for me is. I wasn't the biggest fan of the art style and the animation style. I really didn't think it looks like a little bit. Second rate dc animated movie when it came to the animation and the art style. So i thought that picked up a little bit in the very end in the post title sequence once we saw a little bit of violence blood and gore. I was a little bit more impressed with what they could do with this animation but it was a little bit stiff on the animation for me up until that final fight sequence in the end. I did like it quite a lot. It reminds of the innovation to me real quick like the animation for me. It did look like if you were just watching like a disney. Xt spider man cartoon at first. But man there's like once they get to these big epic action scenes. There's like this is like this weird shift and it's not like the art style change. It's just like i don't have explicit. Joe i don't do you know what i'm talking about like i don't know i think all the characters were close enough to the way that ryan otley drive draws them in the comics so it looks very looks very ryan hotly and i love his art. Oh i'm such a huge fan. And i mean yeah i didn't i didn't think twice about it. In fact i kept like every time they'd show robot. I was looking at his face in awe because i was damned. He did his face animation style. Exactly like he looks in the comics. Like i was so impressed. I can't wait to see battle beast. Holy shit melissa. Biggest ryan ali fan either. I've never read invincible. But he became the main artists for amazing spider. Man once invincible. indeed. Yeah and i haven't been all that impressed with his are on is amazing spider man. I loved it. I loved his art on amazing spider. Man and venom to yeah. I mean it's just you know it's teach their own when it comes to art in artistic value when it comes to that stuff but he just doesn't really knock it out of the park for me but story wise. I didn't think this was top notch. Eh reminded me a lot of astro city where you have all these characters that are like analogs up a comic book characters. You know you got your your superman. Your batman your flash. You're just like analogs of all. the biggest. Most famous superhero character is going on here but just like each with their own little. Twist and i was very blown away by the indian. I didn't i have no. I'm not familiar with the story. It all or what's going to happen. And i did not see that coming at all what happens at the end of this episode. I i was just shocked. Yeah did i mean you really got to see how that relationship than playing out. Because it's i mean especially through the whole course of the series. Holy i mean. And that's what when when they had that talk on the rooftop and he was being a real dad to him like that's what like hit me so emotionally as because i thought you know i'm looking at this as their entire character arc so everything they go through in those hundred and thirty some issues of the comic in a ton of bricks. I in i totally get that. And it's funny that you bring up. Kurt buzek because he actually wrote the introduction to the volume on trade in. I'm doing off memory here. But he's i think it goes somewhere along the lines of if you've never read this book don't start it because otherwise it's going to totally fuck you up until you finish it because it's so good it's like he's not wrong man so i love immediately compared it to him and do i swear to god. If you're interested in reading these. I will fuck in fed ex you. The trades are out of that you can read them or just you the next time down to play magic or so. Bring him along. I'm interested in that. If you can get past the art if you can get past the art. Somehow jake i mean. I've read plenty of comic books artist. Not the biggest fan of. I'm not the biggest. John ramirez junior fan but believe me. I've read my share of amazing john. Ramada junior books. I'm sorry just fuck. I don't know about you job kind of took the wind out of my out of my sale a little bit a little bit not gonna lie so you not gonna lie of a little bit shocked at hit foreign but i'm also painting it with my own brush that i'm such a huge invincible fan and you know and i know arts subjective but i totally coming from hotel. I was hoping this was going to turn into a total blowback. Really stuck out to me at the end of this episode. That i was looking back was not so much the scene with him in his bother on the rooftop but the scene with him and his mother in the backyard. That's the scene replayed in my head after finishing this episode key very much says you're my son. You're you've got a lot of mea nyu and it really made me think okay. We see what's going on with the father. Hopefully you know the mom knows what she was talking about and that he does have. Her values instilled in him. And that's gonna help principles and his character development so that was the scene. It really stuck with me not when i was watching it but after finishing the episode. Seen what happened. That was the that destroyed me in this episode. Both of those scenes with the heart starts with his parents just wrecked me. The scene that destroyed me in this. Podcast podcast episode. Jake gave it a high tastes date. And i know i'm going to refer to to a toss it if i'm then now you've now is being treated like a toss it i might as well have tossed it no it. Yeah yeah i get it you might as well fuck and toss it fuck. I've got that already with my guide. Art is in the eye of the beholder man. And this. I have never been a big fan of ryan ali. It very much looked like ryan ali. Our it was very stiff to me. I don't know it could have been better. The more the more guy the more the more rages me. I'm really interested to to hear. And what your ratings will be. If do you plan on continuing to watch this first season. Yes for sure eight episodes. I got it. He couldn't even couldn't even wait for the fucking little box on the right hand side of the screen that says episode to playing in five seconds. You think he's gonna fuck and get back to this. Do you think he's going to get back to this. He's lucky he's lucky. He fucking turn the tv off and through the remote halfway across the room and it ended this guy. This guy ran out of the house. This guy ran out of the house. Thinking this fucking somebody's wife in it and the guy just got home. Jake couldn't wait to fuck it. Turn that episode off. Jesus christ literally right if the episode ends. You see a fucking screen episode. Start in four five. Three two must be jake was gone. Tv because i didn't get that at all and now now are blaming the people over an apple tv. I'm kidding. I'm not blaming. I know you're not jake. I'm just i know you're not. I'm not really angry either. Jesus christ defensive. I'm just so excited that it's finally here in the world's getting to see it and and i know a lot more people expense the medium of television than comic books. And so i hope this is a hit and in it resonates with the general public is much as well as its resonated with me. I mean just. I just love these characters in the so much i mean invincibles. The only character that i've ever bought like a figure of i got off sky. Bow and like the the completely blood splattered one with his busted. Goggles and everything. Because he's been such a huge fight. And god damn this i had. I just have such high hopes for the for the rest of this man. I'm just thinking of my favorite story. Arcs from the comic and thinking about how good they'll look rendered out on the screen like that and man if they really stick to the source material dude. We are going to see some really epic shit. That's going to blow your mind. How close to the source material. Were they in this first. One very close very close. I mean not. Everything's in the exact order but like i flipped through the first three trade paperbacks again this morning and there's elements from like all three of the first trades in those first three episodes. So it's like they're kind of condensing things in in in spreading around the the thing that happens at the end of the first episode with all the extreme violence. I think that actually happens in like the second arc of the comic. Okay well spoil it. It's the twist in one way or another by the end of the first issue. The first issue is more just setting markup you remember the scene where where he gets his ass kicked at school and then he goes to work and he's taking the trash out and then he like launch one of the garbage bags into space and that is seen from seemed from the comic and the the big fight the beginning with them fighting the smaller twins and the guardians of the globe fighting in the comics that happens. I think in the second trade and it's actually that teen team that's fighting in. That's when mark meets them and then after his joined the team that's when they fight those aliens in then fight them several times they come from the different dimension and the age faster here and and do that that dimension in those aliens like play a huge role with some of the main characters later in the series that when it fully pans out. What all happened with them in that dimension dimensions. Just what the fuck i love. I love this show. I thought it was absolutely phenomenal. Spoilers episode one you've got basically omni man played by j k simmons and there's this group. They are the global guardians. They're kind of like the justice league guardians of the globe. Excuse me and they're all call to like their main headquarters and once they're they're Spoilers omni man. Basically loses his shet- and proceeds to kill everyone in the guardians of the globe. One at a time. And that's kind of like the big mystery of like why. And why did this all happen. And and we're finding out that maybe superheroes aren't who we thought they were. And it's i i loved it. I loved the second episode with the aliens. The flax flaxen and with the anti-ageing and stuff like that the new group that were introduced to with adam eve rex blowed robot and duplicate and then kinda like you know for all the bitching that people do about like the the love stories that we get in the cw shows are i. Can't i love like the whole kind of like love triangles. That are going on in invincible. With like you know. Adamy being involved with rex explode but then like you know things happen with that relationship and then could something strike up between something between atom even invincible. There's a little bit of chemistry there but then also we've got zazie beetz character. Who is very much interested in invincible. But she's interested in in him as mark grayson who who's not his superhero persona. She's introduced she. She's interested in mark grayson. And i actually liked her a lot more than atom eve like when he went away and did that mission with adam eve. I thought that he should have and stayed on the study. Date with a zazie beetz character. I liked her a lot. Oh yeah yeah. Kirkman really really twists the screws on the reader with with that triangle between Amber and adam eve and And mark and yeah. It's it's good stuff dude and they They they flipped some stuff in the mid. Some really good updates in this too when you when you read the first issues of invincible in the comic. There's some real like homophobic jokes and stuff in it and then in this one they they outright just made it that it's like okay. Hey right out the bat here. You're going to know that. William marks best friend is gay. Where in the comics. That doesn't you know is kind of an arc. That leads with him coming out of the closet. And you know lots of lots of stuff that you know is perhaps vernacular in those days but now it's quite insensitive to speak like that And so they made some wise updates there in the show and the yeah you have. That relationship with those characters is great. And i love. I love that kind of stuff. And you know i think a lot of people. I think a of people forget that that you know when you get a show with teenagers you kind kinda get that kinda shit. That's that's like the age where people are like figuring out relationships. That's what teenagers do. Teenagers have crushes teenagers. Like when you're watching the cw shows with all these people in relationships or whatever and that's what people do. I think people forget that. Sometimes i really. I i like with the whole night superman. Lois show like the teenagers and then having crushes on girls and stuff like that. That's what happens. You your fucking you've got hormones for christ's sake and they're going crazy when you're a teenager and leave that stuff out to leave out the love triangles and all the relationship stuff that seems like it's completely this genuine too like being a teenager. Because that's when you're at the height of that kinda shit you could be in love with one person one week and then fall in love with somebody else the next week. That's just how it is being a teenager. I think people that complain about that kind of stuff are fucking basement dwelling fans that still live with their mother that have never experienced romance in the first place so of course they're like oh i hate all the romance they add to these things because it's just natural i think sometimes they take it too far if they just keep doing that. Same carousel with the same characters. Like having berry in. Irs still keep having the same type of fights arguments over and over again in the flash or what was going on with the in arrow with with ali. And i forgot her name already. The character that that the fan base really hated after a while the tech the tech lady on his team. I dropped that after i. That's funny. I don't even remember actress. Name the actresses they might be or no was her character. Felicity felicity yeah. You're absolutely right. That's okay that was it then. Yeah i mean in after a while it was just like really this the same shit. You didn't season two now. You're recycling the same like emotional arguments again. But i'm talking about people bitching about it after episode three. I mean come on people like that's totally basement dwellers in cells and shit that relationships work so they fucking hate the sight of in real life. I love what they're doing here. I think zazie beetz her character. It makes me wonder like. Is this girl hiding something or is she just. She just kind of like the mary jane in this. We're like in spiderman. She just just a normal human. She doesn't have any is she. Hiding the like. I'm looking at everybody a suspect like does anybody could have powers in this universe and we don't know mark went to school with eve like finding out. Now she's she's adam eve like she's got these powers and stuff like i'm i'm loving i dude i love in this bucket show. I love the clones. I think the clones are always arguing. The these big hulking clones always argue about who's the original clone and. I thought that that was great. The scene where they get bust out they bust out of prison. This supervillain prison was fucking amazing. The aliens coming in and out of the portals and every time there tech is more advanced because in their universe time travels a lot faster so when they come into our universe like they age super quickly and man i had and they just look like classic like aliens just super classic aliens with like shiny equipment and everything and all this high tech stuff. I i am in love with this You never know what you're gonna get from week to week on this show. We had a fucking battle in south dakota with mount rushmore. And you know fucking the face. Of abraham linking falling a- lincoln falling off the alpha mount rushmore and and being used in the battle. I man i was thinking doctor. Seismic dr seismic was hilarious size. It was fucking hilarious. I love i love. I love it man and i think like part of this that i love. I love the writing by kirkman but on on the flip side. I don't think enough credit goes to the artists that come up with like the character designs for some of these characters. They look fantastic. You know so. Yeah oh yeah. Yeah they're great. And i love that. You picked up that and you liked that that bit with the mahler twins throughout the tight like no matter how many new ones made their constantly arguing about which one is the copy and clearly the inferior one. Oh yeah and clancy brown playing damien. Dark blood who is like he reminds me of. He's like the detective. Guesting the guardians of the globes death. Like what really happened. And you know he's in the room when everybody starts debris out like that cold vapor. And i was just like he reminds me of like hell boy rohrschack or something and i i fucking i love that character and clancy brown is just killing it with that voice Even mark hamill playing a small part here is like the costume designer guy. I like that know invincible. Mark grayson coming up with his name and then his colors the suit and everything. And i'm having a lot of fun with this and there's like i guess a lot of people compare this with the boys but it is different. It is different than that. Garth ennis book. Oh yeah yeah very different. This is a totally different animal. I love it. I love it. Have you ever read. I'm guessing you haven't read any of the source material. Does this make you want to pick up any of the comics and read them. I actually have like the first like it's i don't know if it's omnibus but it's like it's a hardcover and it's got like a lot of the trades within it. I don't know if it's like the first six trades or however they work it. But i actually have it. I just haven't. I haven't cracked it open and read. Do trying to find time to just sit back and read comics. These days is a challenge. When i do the show and i have to watch everything every week that i watch. It's it's a real challenge trying to to do research for the show and then also just try to find time to just sit down and re comics. Yeah yeah i totally know what you mean. So i love invincible. Top tupperware it And joe jake. You enjoyed it. I'm sorry i gave you so much. Shit they're offended. I'm a big fucking bully. A big fucking ball now. Sometimes sometimes like i understood. I understood when we went over. Zack snyder is justice. Like i never expected a tupperware out of you. I know there's a ceiling. We learned that ceiling was for zack. Snyder films. It's a taste that you gotta taste ceiling presents matter films but invincible man. I was just kind of like. There's no way there's no way that this thing gets anything less than a tupperware and then you did it and then and then it's just like you know then. Yeah there's like this inherent thing. Where i just wanna come out swinging. I just wanna come out with tupperware. I really do. It's like i. It has to be something that i really like. Hit me on every fucking cylinder possible. Fuck it gave a tupperware to age of chinese son of a bitch. And i've given i've given share. I've given that way. He's been something in the lineup years. That i've really tried to dial back on now. I i i hand them out generously. Sometimes i get it but you know. Sometimes this is what i love i get it i get it i get it god damnit. Joey heard a little bit though. The joe it hurt a little bit. I e i feel you know we start off with jake and we immediately get a kick in the nuts. I don't think you started with me. If felt like you were i rating and it was like a chicken. The topper worded sack in and then i was actually the last rating all right all right. Well thank you for saving the kick of the nets till the end. Jesus christ i'm scared to call on you all the time i like that. Yeah i know you keep me on my toes fucking fucked thing where people people people think. I'm so mean anyway. Whatever joe joe. I know you are jake. Did you watch the poll on scifi. I did joe. Did you ask the poll after a scandal involving saint nick rocks the holly jolly foundations of the north pole. All hell breaks loose as the future of christmas turns into a twisted power struggle for the red suit and this comes from a matt bass who worked on pinal pineapple express super bad knocked up and also theodore breast men who worked on goon fifty fifty. And funny people also really funny people involved in this and you got a voice. Cast of bobby. This is animated. it's on scifi. They're going with a lot of animated stuff. It's got bobby moynihan jillian bell nicole buyer sung show colin jost timothy. Simmons sutiarso amata. And this was fucking terrible. This is the yes. This is the dumbest shit. I've ever fucking scene. It's not funny. It's the humor does not work on any level for me. I found none of funny. I basically i kind of like. I felt like i was dying a little bit as i watched like i kept thinking to myself. Sifi cancelled the expanse and deadly class for this shit. The poll an animated in animated fucking. What does this have to do with science fiction. It's the sci-fi channel. It's it's a fucking raunchy. Santa claus cartoon and it's the dumbest fucking humor ever. This is an absolute toss. It fuck you sifi fuck you. For cancelling alpha's the expanse deadly class and numerous fantastic shows. Just to air. This fucking pilot. Trash go fuck yourself. Sci-fi oh my god that's one of my favor of us you've given a launch. Can i jump in here. This is an absolute. Toss it for me as well The best thing about this fucking show was that it was only twelve minutes long if this would have been a half an hour. I don't think i would have made it. I think i would have shut it off before it was over. It's an absolute shame too. Because i love bobby moynihan. I think he's absolutely hysterical. But oh my god. This is so fucking. I also don't understand what the fuck going on like. Why are we having a christmas show. Debut in late march the fox up with that has a covert. Let's just say it. Can't we hold this. Not that it would have fucked unchain. Give me in the christmas spirit and fucking put this shit out during the holiday season. Thank god they put this post christmas. I don't wanna watch that. That's a great explanation. Not during christmas. I wanna fuck. I want to see rankin bass. I don't wanna see what matt bass is putting out with this garbage. I wanna see rankin bass. Stop motion rudolph the red-nosed reindeer. I wanna see fucking polar bears drink and fuck and coca cola. And i wanna see little hershey's kisses ring like little fucking jingle bells. I don't wanna see this fucking garbage during christmas. This is this is. This is a dumpster fire of bullshit jake. One time i couldn't figure out what the point of any of it was. I was watching it. And i'm just like why is this even a thing. It is so weird it was like it was just raunchy for the sake of being raunchy which is like yeah. I've got. I've got a twelve year old sense of humor. But i mean still the the entire time i was watching it. Honestly the best thing about it was that it was only twelve minutes. It was over quick. That was so weird. It's like okay. Well some of the elves are very puritanical and in some of the elves and reindeer up in the north polar absolute buchan sex scenes in. So it's like there's this giant split in the north pole and santa claus is like a big pervert and his wife's a big pervert and their son was wants to take over like the new santa. It's like wh why. Why isn't he. This even happening this fucking weird man. It's garbage factors. Show a total toss. It could shed. It is something. I will never return to and i'm glad i only wasted like twelve minutes of my life. The fuck the season. Finale should be me taking a shit in matt bass and theodore breast men's mouth making his fucking garbage and that would be the twelve minutes twelve minute long dump six minutes in each fucking mouth hole like fucking sunlight soap that have a face full of shit. I want to come in out of my fucking like. It's goddamn soft. Serve ice cream into their god. Their mouths eat up boys. Thank you. For cancelling the expands and deadly class. You fuck heads with the pole. I felt like we all got pull up our asses when we watch this fucking crap. No and there was two shows on the list outside at network this week and this was the first one and when it was over. I was like yeah. I'm not watching this other. I didn't watch the other one either. The other one. Can you can fuck and eat my dick up. I looked up. Because i looked up that other show and it wasn't shown available for me yet and i was like. Maybe that's a good thing. That's a good sign. The irregulars dropped on net flicks set in victorian london. The series follows a gang of troubled street teens who are manipulated into solving crimes. The sinister dr watson and his mysterious business partner the elusive sherlock holmes. And everybody think that. I'd bring joe stark on this episode. Because he's a big fan of invincible. Truth is whenever. There's a new sherlock holmes adaptation. I bring on joe stark. Because he loved a nola homes. And so i was like what i gotta bring joe. Stark on to fucking talk about the irregulars did you did you watch the irregulars joe. I did okay. You loved and older homes. Did you finish all homes. Yeah i watched it twice do. I'll man you ran through man. You really like that fucking show movie. Okay i'm gonna stand by that the little longer than it needed to be but that was a really good heartwarming. Movie care at heartwarming film. How was this heartwarming for you. I liked this show. If i i was going to do it. A little skeptical especially when it was like okay. This is victorian london and now they're playing electronic music for the score. Okay that that fits. But whatever i got past that pretty quickly once once the plot actually got going and kind of a. I started seeing where this was going. I thought this was a really enjoyable. I episode Yeah i mean this I didn't expect to like this one as much as i did. Not expecting to see the hound. From game of thrones in this. I was really pleasantly surprised to see. I was shocked to see him to it was. Yeah that's jake. You saw this as well. Yeah it was rory. Mccann rory mccann rory mccann who plays the hound. From game of thrones shows up in this as honestly he shows up. He's the hound in the game of thrones and he shows up as these credited as the bird master shows up as the bird master in this one and i think that i think that this is more iconic role. I think this is the one who's going to be. He's going to be remembered as the bird master when we when we read through his obits. One day they're going to be talking about his role. As the bird master in the irregulars jake you. What are you gonna rate. This one joe tupperware for that first episode. I i really liked it. You know for for you are fucking sherlock holmes slut you know what i could really see. Nola homes getting along well with this group of kids back in oklahoma netflix. I hope it all works out. It's all man you wanna see like. You want to see a crossover robert. Downey junior in the mix. It's fucking benedict cumberbatch up in that they're going to do like a spiderman three where it's multi-diverse and you've got all the different homes in the same fucking move you get robert. Downey junior homes benedict cumberbatch homes. Henry cavill homes and whoever the fuck this sickly homes. Dude is man. it's all gonna fuck. It happened for you. Joe in that multi-diverse homes. How many episodes lottery ticket david. How many episodes. I watched the first one. How many episodes you watch joe. I only got the first one watched so far. I plan on going back and finishing all. We know we know you. You're going to justify got playing right now in the background. God for closed man. What did you think j. This was just a taste for me. Actually did not read the description before watching the show. I just hit play and let it go and was a little bit taken aback. When all of a sudden we like zoom into the famous address of dr watson and sherlock holmes was like ira iro like. Oh my god i just think the homes thing has been done to death. I think get you. Read the description of the show and referred to watson as the sinister watson. I didn't really pick up on that. That's totally spoiling it right. Yeah that must happen in future episodes. I mean he wasn't the nicest guy in this episode. But i wasn't i wouldn't go so far as label him sinister quite yet. I was like what the fuck. I didn't think any of the acting was really stand out in this. That was a real down to me. All the kids were pretty blah. I thought the the pash guy was pretty bligh's well. I thought the bird master was probably the best acting. This show had going for it The music was all my gosh so terrible yeah. This was just a tasted for me. I mean if you're a big sherlock holmes fan. This is yet another version of that. That is very different than most versions. That you can check out. But i won't be watching it anymore. The show. yeah. I'll give it a taste that it was all right man. I didn't think the acting was terrible. I didn't think it was great. It felt like a cw show like if what the cw show wanted to do with sherlock holmes series. This felt like something that you'd see week to week on the cw. You got watson wants to get these kids from the streets because they can get more information maybe than he can about. What's going on here with the disappearance of these four babies so we got this mystery of four missing babies. They were all born the same day. And then you get this girl. Who's like fucking sick and shit and she's got she's seeing visions all the time. And then you get these ravens attack attacking people and then you find out the bird master who controls the birds and then an actor clark. Peter shows up as the linen man and he's in a vision with that girl the sick girl and he's dressed like he's jeffrey holden from those seven up commercials back in the seventies eighties and he starts talking about the cola. No kidding you start talking about this girl. And how do you remember this. Jeffrey holding commercials. Jake i do know exactly what you're talking about. I was cracking up there. You don't remember those. Joe that's probably before your time. I don't think i remember those hold on. Let me go to youtube. And see if i could play one of these things equity jeffrey holding jeffrey. Hold seven oh. These were great man. These are fucking great. Here we go. These are cool and they're used to make cooler but such things the on the other hand. That's the goal here to. He's holding a linemen and aligned from cool and listen to his laugh at the end. I love this marvelous. Absolutely marvelous just trying making something like that out of a coolant. Why even put in a cooler not given a cooler. Actually i love those commercials. When i was a kid. Extreme mother abigail vibes to me as well like the character from the stand. Oh yeah yeah or just like You know the the little kid meeting the the cook and the shining you know like oh you're reaching out from in this case like clear across the ocean and mystery in this to me and i think that the if nothing else. Pcl is showing that. I have a real fondness my heart stories. My god did work for renewed latitude like the week that that the new sherlock gnomes movie came out. Joe would not stop hounding me about reviewing on. Yeah yeah joe reviewing this right. You're reviewing sherlock nome joe. No we're not it's really childish. Kids movie about a garden gnome that takes on the persona of sherlock holmes. I don't even know if that's the story job. But it's stupid fucking stupid and we're not covering your fucking author. Joe you're a fucking author. What does i was really hard on you that day. Joe it's okay. I got big shoulders. I can take it. Yeah i'll give it a taste. Man i thought i was all right. I don't think i'll go back. I don't think i'll watch the second episode. Oh no no. I did start. A game of thrones rewatch. And you wouldn't believe you showed up in the first episode the fucking bird. Master fucking god damnit man i never roy mccain. Is the bird master so good. He was so good as the bird master. Wow that's a raleigh. You can hang your hat on jake. Did anybody watch john. Wayne casey devil in disguise on peacock. It's a six part. John wayne gay see true crime docuseries. I did not know me as well. I i can hang my hat on being the only one that watched the first episode of this it is. It's the chilling story of one of the world's most notorious serial killers told the world's through the words of casey himself those who were forever changed by his unspeakable deeds. And those who believed that the full truth remains concealed to this day. And yeah this goes over. China ink casey It's this is stuff that i don't think has ever been out there. These are these are interviews that were filmed with him back in nineteen ninety-two they were conducted by his. I his friend. I guess craig boli who is actually in this. He started to this guy. Craig bully Who looks like red forman from that seventies show. Looks like that actor. The father from that seventy show. It's unreal when you look at him. It looks like i was like holy fuck. Is that the villain from fucking robocop. No this is craig bully the guy who started writing john wayne gezi the clown killer in prison and wrote him many times while he was imprisoned finally got a response from him and then they started the correspond through letters and then they started talking on the phone and he started to record the conversations between them and they became friends they actually met. I say friends loosely. Okay because this guy also had an ulterior motive he was going to write a book about john wayne gracie and he's got pictures of him and john gay together and then he's the one that has actually conducting the interviews with john wayne gay see throughout this process. I don't think that these interviews have ever been released before. That's what they made it sound like but this is a six part docu series through the first episode. And it's really diving into like who john china wayne. Casey was how he was able to get away with a lot of what he did for so long because he was like basically befriending a lot of different politicians trying to up his status and nobody really wanted to like suspect this guy or go after him because they believed that he had connections with people that were like you know very high up politicians. He had his own respectable business but he would hire young men and a lot of these young men that went working for him went missing and as we know john lean. Casey was basically you know handcuffing these men and then raping killing him in burying them under the house. I am definitely going to be finishing this. This is yeah man and this is this is like if you're into like the i'm not into like all the true crime stuff but i think like this for me. It feels like it's it's really diving into like more of like his psyche and why he did this and giving us more of an understanding of of wear and i. It's hard to say understanding how we can never really understand truly understand a serial killer on what goes on in their brain. There's something wrong something not right. But i think these are the most intimate interviews that we're ever gonna get with with with this notorious fucking serial killer and so as far as much as it's fucked up isn't it fucked up how fascinating it is though. Serial killers are fucking fastening. I don't care what anybody fucking says. it's fucking fascinating what it's sickening what people can do. But why are we drawn to it. I'm not you know what i mean. We are like all the movies of serial killers hannibal. Lecter talked about hannibal. When we talked about zemo hannibal lecter. Aw fucking the most recently. Have the all the little things that jared leto movie with. Does it happy little things. What was it called. Jack things the little things the little things you know. That's another serial serial killer movie. We talked about seven earlier. Like seven and other kind of serial killer movie. Evan peters just got cast. Is jeffrey dahmer right. We're fascinated as a culture with serial killers at one time at at its height jake in the nineties. There were serial trip killer trading cards. There are serial killer conventions jake. Yeah joe there were serial killer trading cards. I think in the in the late nineties. Early arts remember that jake. Oh yeah yeah. Yeah i mean there are serial killer conventions dude like or people go and and you know i don't know i have groupies when they're in jail and shit like that is pretty fucking wild. I've i've never watched much like the the true crime type documentaries on real serial killers but do you not wrong when it comes to like entertainment value. Like one of my favorite comic books ever is nailbiter. Yeah premise of that is the all these serial killers keep getting born in the same small town you know and i mean we can talk about. It is horrendous. It's terrible but for some reason. And i'm not even like the worst culprit of this. I don't watch every serial killer thing that ever comes out like the net flicks. What was that zac efron. What was that serial killer that he portrayed. I didn't watch any of that yet. Ted bundy but there's people that watch every serial killer thing ever and and i think there is like this there. Is this curiosity that we have of like. We don't understand this. How can someone act like this. And we're but we're just kind like drawn to understanding trying to understand like these horrific actions that these people do. It's and that's kind of like where i am with. John wayne gay devil in disguise. It's just like we're seeing guy in interviews talking like this. He's talking he's trying to eat any sounds in a lot of these interviews. He's like talking to them like he's just like this normal guy but like we all know what he fucking dead at the end of the day behind closed doors guys completely different person and they're talking about that they're talking about like how can put up this fucking fake persona but every every once in a while it would kind of bleed through with them. They'd see a little bit little bit of like side man. It's it's it's. It's an intriguing. Watch so far i i'm gonna be able. I'm going to finish this. Six episode series man wasn't any big into like the clowns insure. Yes yes yeah he was he was the killer clown he was pogo the clown or patches the clown personas that he had come up with and what he would do is he would perform at children's hospitals or charity events and things like that and what he would do to these men when he'd get them they haven't even gotten to this the documentary but jake what he would do is he would get them into the house and and say hey i'm going to you want to see a magic trick and he'd put them in these handcuffs. They'd think that he was gonna perform like this magic trick to get him out of the cops or whatever it is but he would just literally handcuffed them and then strap them into like this fucking almost like a torture device and then rape these men kill them and then bury them under the house and this happened and this guy was this guy was i think it all came like it all came to a head i think in one thousand nine hundred seventy eight when they were They talked about how he's trying to cover up the smell underneath the house and he was putting lime underneath the house to try to cause people he would say that. There is a sewage problem under the house. When people would complain about it you know especially after it rained. And so we had like he said he had you know hundreds or thousands of pounds. A lime under the house. He would have the young boys that were working for him digging underneath the house basically digging their own graves where they were going to be. He'd put yeah. This guy was a monster a monster and yeah it's just it's it's it's a wild watch. I mean when you think about like the you know the the serial killers dahmer and gay see and and a lot of these like notorious serial killers and stuff like that came out of like the seventies sixties seventies eighties. I think it's like A lot harder to do it today. With with all the technology people having cell phones and things like that i. I'm sure there's still people out there that are like this. But i don't know if we'll ever have like a serial killer. John wayne gay. See ever again unlike three. Somebody's under house. Oh my god dude. I don't know there's lots of scary things in this world. And i think like sociopaths might be the scariest thing to me the it just like a human that has absolutely no empathy for other people in and they can do just absolutely monstrous things with and not lose any sleep over it like it's they can give this thing ever in when i walk and give invincible high taste it. They can give baking give invincible. A high tastes that you know like what what was that one that was on. Hbo recently the that was about that. Serial killer that was operating in california. Oh yeah the oh god. What was he called some in the dark. Yeah it was a pen. Oswald's wife was going after this guy. Yeah and i don't remember the name or they ca- the but i watched a handful of episodes of that with my wife. My wife watches a lot of that. Sorta stuff in in just like you know. Kind of like thriller suspense foale type programming. In general so i usually end up watching lots of fucked up some with her in when she was watching that and i was watching it with their duty freaked me so much. I got online immediately in ordered like surveillance buchan ship for my yard work. We're gonna have a camera here. We're going to have a camera here. It was like it was out there. They really do exist airy it was the golden state killer is state killer. Yeah yeah yeah that stuff. I mean i don't know like i'll dive into it fiction wise. It almost freaks me out too much to watch the real life stuff. Because i know they exist but man when i watch him. It just freaks me out. I do same thing. Like i'm never like i'd never get like scared or anything like that when i watch a horror movie but if i if i sit up late at night and i'm watching i'm on like pluto tv and i'm watching old episodes of like unsolved mysteries and like just random house attacks and shit like that then it's just like okay. Darkness is not my friend right now. I am definitely not bane. You know i am. I'm very. I'm very scared right now. And that's that's when. I have the butcher knife under the bed. I get it. I fucking get it man there myself up. Sometimes i'm here all by myself and you know i'll be back in my office working way usually with headphones on and i'll hear something i'm like. Okay that was loud enough that it came through headphones and the only weapon i have is like a forty inch wooden katana in so whenever investigating strange noises in my house. It's like i'm armed with wooden swords. Absolute maniac oh my god. You're like on an empty handed. Bruce willis and pulp fiction. All right. yeah that's john wayne gave devil in skies. It's on peacock. i think it was originally going to go to the bravo network. Peacock took it and put it as some of their original programming so bad trip on net flicks a this mix of a scripted. Buddy comedy road movie and a real hidden camera. Prank show follows the outrageous misadventures of to buds stuck in a rut who embark on a cross country road trip to new york city. The storyline sets up shocking. Real pranks stars eric. Andrei low rail. Harry tiffany haddish. And i found out that jeff tremaine from jackass worked on this as well. You can actually see him in some of the post credit scenes where they show like one of these when these pranks go down basically the after effects of the pranks. When they're telling you the people that were involved in the pranks like wait. You're in a movie. They let them know that they're in a movie. And there's a scene where they actually showed jeff tremaine from jackass. And i'm very familiar with jeff. Tremaine very familiar with his work. And so when i saw him i was like holy shit because i thought that that was really cool. But i'm a huge huge fan of eric andre. I watched the eric andre show. I even watch two broke girls when he was on that. I love eric. Andre and i was super excited to watch this movie. I'll let you know what i thought. But i want to hear from joe joe. Did you think about the movie bad trip. Okay i never seen anything with eric andre before but going into it. I knew your huge. Eric andre fan and so i was like all right. This is trust. Brian's opinion on a lot of things are tastes. line up on a lot of things. Let's see how this goes. And after the first two scenes i had to stop and google envy like what the hell can movie. And i was like. Okay now it makes sense. This is this is essentially a hidden camera show and it's a whole bunch of them all strung together and it's gonna be a plot you know maybe like allah borat or whatever and that's exactly what this is dude. I there were scenes in this. That made me laugh so hard. I couldn't believe what i was saying in the reactions of the people around him. Something came up about halfway through this movie. And i had to take a break and so i had to. I think i think i'd eat breakfast. Maybe or something like that but so a little bit of time passing. I was like do you want to jump back into that. Because the whole time i was thinking you know there were lots of things in that that made you laugh but ultimately would you rather see this as more like a collection of the the greatest pranks from this rather than spend ninety minutes watching this movie. It's like you know let's just. Let's let's look at the movie as a whole thing. And let's not make snap judgments in. So i did end up finishing it and it did lots of lots of funny scenes and i don't know if i would ever go back and watch this again. But the as an introduction to eric andrea didn't make me it didn't make me hate him or anything like that. This didn't hit super high for me. I'd i'd call the taste it just because there are so many things that did make me laugh but then other parts were just almost kinda cringe and just i mean that's also the kind of humor that's what this is. It's it's always worked for me. It's cringe comedy is cringe comedy. There you go in some of the hit really well for me. Some of it didn't Some of the reactions of people especially that finger trap. One thank you. There's so much what the fuck in there literally is so much. What the fuck in this you just see. So many random people in the background mouthing the words what the when he was in the bar. That one really fucking slayed me that that country bar that they're in. Yeah i mean this did have a lot of great scenes in a in almost love to go back and revisit individual scenes with. I don't know if i'd go back and rewatch an entire movie for it. But yeah i mean this. I'd give this as an absolute taste for my intro day. Andre comedy this is it for me. This is an absolute tupperware. I fucking love this. I know jake is not going to be a fan. I waiting for it. But i i love eric. Andrei i fucking i. I laughed so hard at certain parts of this movie that i almost passed out from laughing so hard i could not catch my fucking breath. I was laughing so hard at the scene where he's in the smoothie bar and and it's and he's fucking day-dreaming about his high school crush who just left the smoothie bar that said if you're ever in new york coming look me up and fucking his daydreaming. And he he goes to put his hand down on on the counter and it goes into the blender and the blender turns on and start shooting blood all of the police and people. These are real people reacting to a guy who thinks hand is being chopped up by a blender and there's blood flag all of the fucking walls and people that are just like running out not knowing what to do and i am losing my fucking shit. I am loving this. There's a scene where he's dreaming about getting married to this woman and then he starts making out with the priest and i m but they're filming it in front of real people and so these people think they're at a fucking wedding and he's making out with the fucking breeze and they're like what the fuck there's a scenery goes to the zoo and he gets raped by guerrilla goes back up. This phone goes back and he gets. He gets seconds and i dude. I'm sorry i fucking loved this movie. I am huge. Eric andre fan so i knew i was getting into. I've watched every episode of the eric. Andre sureau probably some episodes three four times. I have watched that. And and i'll get into some of the behind the scenes kind of stuff on this one here in a moment but jake what did you think about bad trip. This is easily my favorite thing. I watched this shut the fuck up. I love you you ever deemed yourself all my god. I was dying all day today. Still sticking dog to the. I reacted he was getting for people in the mall. We not doing the whole song and dance number. I thought just movie was absolutely brilliant. I usually don't get into this like jackass type of thing. But i just like joe described. It has that borat format where they actually tried they did all these pranks but they strung them together in this like kind of plot format and i just thought it was brilliant managed that there were just so many scenes that i was dying the army. Recruitment guy fucking losing it when he was talking to that guy. You could tell. He was horrified for eric. Andrei like the stuff. He was saying how low he was getting. This was fantastic. One of my favorite parts was the end credits and actually getting to see like after they told people what was going on because i was very curious how people weren't seeing the cameras and how people were actually falling for this. But they did a really good job of hiding the cameras and doing all these elaborate pranks that i read took like hours set up. Sometimes i actually went and read a lot of behind the scenes articles about this movie myself. Yeah so fast. Did you read the la times. I did. I did yes. He had the knife poll because of the finger traps sketch. While it was it was a finger trap scotch but it was basically lil rel. Harry's character and eric andres character. I thought they were taking breath. Mints in the car happened to turn out to be like some kind of like hallucinogenic. What what's that shit called fucking like ecstasy or something like maybe. There's super high and hallucinating in this grocery store and that was seen as fucking great. I love the music. And i fucked love them and everything they're doing in this grocery store and all these people just looking at him like these guys are fucked up and then they wake up and those fucking finger cuffs. They put their dick their dicks in one side of the house. So they've got their dick stuck in these finger coughs and they're walking around with these prosthetic dixon this finger cups and they're walking around asking people for help and i love the one guy guy's golfing and they ask him to help and he starts like trying to like get them out of it and you'd like he's like whoa whole he's like settled down there harvey weinstein and then the guy the guy the guy gets mad at him and eric wu. You turned on us. You turned on us but they fucking go into that fucking business and the guy pulls a real knife on them. Yeah yeah that was on the second or third day of shooting. I read in the the other actor. Almost quit hari almost quit. He said early in the shoot andrei and how he had a knife pulled on them by an enraged business owner as they tried to pull off a prank in which their penises were supposedly stuck together in a finger trap. I literally left and said i'm done. I'm not doing this. Movie said howery who i met and befriended andrea years ago on the stand up comedy circuit. I walked straight into my hotel still in my characters close. That's how mad i was. It was my kids who convinced me to keep going. I told them what happened and they thought it was hilarious. Yeah this movie really got me and it got me right away to the very first break i think is we're vacuums as fucking entire like dying and the guys reacted was just unbelievable fucking funny and i will watch this again. I think i would love to watch like an hour about the making. Jj i could watch behind the scenes footage of this forever. You need to watch the eric. Andre show where he he fucking before he's like really he's more famous now than he ever was really quick. That was the one thing. I couldn't get a happy joe on this episode really enlightened me to people not knowing you eric. Andre is because i would. I would instantly recognize. Eric andrei even just from the let me end memes and gifts like you know who this guy is. It's crazy how many people just really like okay. You're eric andre. What the fuck are you doing. Yeah well i know that. Like even like the impractical jokers kind of do stuff like this to or they're catching people on on new with pranks and stuff like that that they're that they're pulling off but like even those guys they get recognized and they can't use that stuff so they have to start all over so i didn't mean to interrupt your Air andre show. No the eric under show he'll do is like he these like he has actors on that show and they think they're going to be on a talk show. They have no idea like what kind of show it is when they sit down so he'll have like hill. Have people like james vanderbeek. And and i'm trying to think of all the people that he's had on that show and there's some people that just get super offended with him and they walk off the fucking show but he does some insane stunts when he's interviewing and he does it kind of like a johnny carson jimmy fallon like sit down talk show and it just goes crazy. He said that they would shoot for hours. And they would take the best stuff and they would make it really uncomfortable for the gas like they would have. The heat turned up really high. And all this really weird shit going on and they would just film for hours and they would only take the best stuff and like he really kind of talked about like that show and he did. What was that show or the people eat hot wings. How hot ones yeah. He hears episode of hot ones. He talks about that kind of stuff. But man eric. I think eric andrei fucking brilliant. And larry us. I love the guy. That's create one thing that i really took away from the la times article was. They said that they would spend hours. Sometimes just add libyan because they had these pranks and they had a plot to the movie they would have to get normal people to say specific things to be able to make the plot work and they would just have to fill forever and ever and ever and keep saying random stuff to try to get because the regular person is at reading a script person. Yeah so they would just go forever until they could get like these unsuspecting people to actually say the thing they needed them to say to make the plot excess. You knew that there is a lot of living going onto on their car. Rides lower hari in andrei eric. Andre where they're making each other crackup. We're talking about the breath. Minson and laura. Harry said your your breath. Smells like steve harvey's mustache and they just start dying and you know that that's not scripted. You know that that just came out of his head. It was so funny for sure you wouldn't get the laughter that you got if it was on a script you could tell. That's not acting how they're just cracking up at each other. Did you read that. They did talk to sasha baron cohen about i did that was really cool to and i liked. The comparisons between the two of his movies are kinda making light of like yeah. It's a more playful tone. Where sasha baron cohen basically tries to deconstruct the establishment. Yeah and they basically make them come out as hypocrites. Yeah it's i. I where the fuck out of bad trip i loved it i loved but then i'm biased. I love eric andre. I love his comedy. So i this made me a fan honestly. I will watch anything. This guy does again. I was just blown away at our goto. The adult swim app. And watch all the eric andre episodes man. It's so great he does. He does all these stupid characters. He does one character we actually. He's like he's like wearing it a really really like a really tight t shirt. That's kind of like a like a woman would wear like one of those tube shirts you know okay. And he's like goes around. On his skateboard he talks. Like a dude bro. And he's like ratchet up and he's talking about ranch dressing dumbly that they actually did the white chicks they all my god. Oh my god. I was dying. I was fucking dying. And then tiffany haddish comes out and we had talked about and then they can start playing diem ex. Yeah she was great ella chastising the woman when she was like you were just gonna let killed this. Yes yes you're just sitting there eating your bird to kill. You know who. I loved in the bar scene. Was that the real woman. Her name was jackie and she just kept going off. Her friend was like jack. You talk too much. Oh my gosh. Grossest moment was when he pulled the fucking thing off the bar. It collects the spills three the alcohol. The spill guard on the bar. I love the women comes up. He's been drinking all night and she's like i'm a nurse. I'm a nurse and then he just starts to vomit. I lost it on now on that. That was one of my favorite ones. Jake i don't care how many times you high tastes invincible. As long as you fucking tupperware bad trip your am my good graces sir. I gladly order. Wasn't the other way around yes there. It's totally redeemed yourself in my eyes. Oh my god. I'm giving you a virtual hug right now and it's amazing. I had to hit the mute button. When you're like. I know jake's gonna hate this. Yeah it's you. Bud started laughing i was just like oh my god jake jake is not gonna you know. It's a different comedy. comedy comedies. Very subjective and so it's like either you get eric andrea. You don't get it. And like i think joe gets it but joe also didn't like the mixed scripted with the pranks. I think. that's the element. Maybe that didn't work for you. Joe was the to blend. I didn't mind that part where you're just like cringe. Humor is just not my favorite. I love cringe. Humor in there was there was lots of parts of this. Hit really really well for me. And then just other parts. That didn't but the do tumors just not my like all the time that people like tried to talk me into watching the office. It's like i can't. I can't i can't do that style. Humor and like some of these pranks works so well for me and then others. It was just now. I don't but i mean all the performances and stuff the actors he gets but backed by guerrilla he gets by guerrilla he gets mocked by a gorilla my recruitment officer. That was one of my favorite part. He's like you just offered to suck my dick exchange. Kill you like oh my god and like and it's crazy. It's crazy to see the payoff of them at the end. Like telling that letting that guy in on it. We got to see that moment. And that was great yeah. I'm so glad. I was waiting the whole time to see that guy. Yeah i've heard something. I don't remember where i heard this was somebody was talking about. Those hidden camera shows. They were saying that moment is really really important to include the audience members. Really wanna see that with the people that got duped realizing they're on a show and then having a good laugh about it because then his audience member makes you feel better about out. They do that if you watch. The carbonara fact on tru tv. It's like a magic show where he does like this amazing magic in front of people and he tries to act like it's not magic but these people know that they're seeing something like that they should not be saying well carbonaro at the very end of the episode. He'll always pull one. He'll always have like one of the illusions. One of the tricks that he's done where he tells the person like i was fucking with you. I'm i'm michael carbonaro magician. You're on tv and you always got. That's what i loved about that at the end of it. You always got to see that one person that you spent time with. That was like totally fooled by the by the trick and then he lets everybody in on it and you get to see that i like that too. Joe cohen never does that. He's basically the opposite of that. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. Sasha baron. Cohen is not that guy. Yeah you don't find out people thought about it until the fucking move years. See their reactions on twitter. It's all over the place. I remember when four at first came out. Like i was just going off with everybody else talking about great. It wasn't so i just went out and bought. It now watched it one time. I love that movie. And then that one hit for me very the same whereas i it has some scenes in it that i think are really really funny but but overall there's enough other scenes that are like man that like i don't i don't need it. You need ninety minutes of this but this makes sense to me if we're going to compare ads trip to borat for me. Bad trip is way better. Well i think you know. Maybe i was even being a little too stingy calling into a taste it because there are enough of the scenes in this that did it did make me laugh really hard. And they're really really good. You know well done pranks and stuff. So i was probably being to ten stingy call at a taste. It and i went to baker street. That would have changed if eric andre sherlock holmes in this fucking thing. I don't know what that is dude. That's that's the. That's the chink in my armor. And like some hugely sherlock holmes doozy. It's like i've never even watched the benedict cumberbatch show or anything like that. I've heard it's great. But i don't know the god. Yeah like after after. Joe gets shirt it after joke. It's done watching the fuck in Benedict cumberbatch homes. The only thing that you're going to be able to see is like that fucking randy marsh. Meanwhile he's got like jizzle over the fucking invest in one of those hats. Let's get the bill at the front end. The back taken up a pipe. Final thing that. I hope looked opium final thing. Got for good pop. Pop is is calls on apple. Tv plus joe. Did you get a chance to watch any calls. No i still don't have apple tv. Plus i i still need to get on that. Jake i know you bastard jake bucks a month j just tell them and tell them there's a sherlock holmes show on it i doubt signing up now man at j. j. I watched the first episode. Did you watch the first episode. I watched the first three episodes of shit. Did they did drop through the first one and apple. Tv plus it's nine episode short-form thriller series calls directed by fatty alvarez. He did his director. From the new reboot of evil dead and then also the scott. Lang movie don't breathe. And each episode spark sports a dark mystery unfolding through a series of average unconnected phone calls that quickly become surreal and unsettling inspired the french series of the same name. The project is dubbed as a quote groundbreaking immersive television experience. That masterfully uses audio and minimal. Abstract visuals to tell nine bone chilling short form stories. Cast lists includes dawson. Karen gillan judy. Greer pedro pascal. And taylor johnson jennifer tilly ben schwartz. Aubrey plaza stephen lang. Nick jonas clancy brown danny houston lily collins. Mark do plus danny pootie jaden marquel riley. Joey king paul. Walter houser incredible cast. I listened to the first and say listen. Because there's really not a lot to watch here. But i listened to the first episode and i really liked it up until it just kept amping up and getting more ridiculous i think in like what was going on. It just kept getting more and more out there for me but at i like. There's this crazy mystery. It's a phone call that you're just listening to a phone call between two people. Sometimes another person gets involved in it but this first story just kept amping up for me. I thought that it took on this really weird kind of supernatural science fiction. Take at the very end. That d'appel going on. Yeah i don't know if it really worked for me. And so i i love maybe the first six minutes of it and then it just kept going more bat shit crazy as it went on and i think that's kind of what kept me from like watching. Maybe the second and third episode. Because i had a lot of hope sport like for six minutes and then it just kept getting crazier and crazier. And i don't know if i liked it as much as i thought i was going to enjoy it after those first six minutes. But you watch you listened lip lots to listen to the first three calls episodes. What did you think it's a low taste for me. I echo a lot of what you say. None of them. Stick the landing. All three of them are the same way they get really outlandish second half and there's never any payoff whatsoever. And they come up with all these just crazy concepts. But there's never any reasoning or why if you read the description for the series it it says it's a bunch of interconnected stories dealing with a pre apocalyptic moment and so that's kind of what made me want to do more episodes. I was like. Wow that i it was crazy i kind of want some answers as to wild d'appel ganger showing up. But then the next you have nothing to do with nothing. Like there's as far as i could tell there's no connection even loose connection whatsoever to each other and all these different storylines going on the second episode is the bench schwartz episode. And it's about a guy who finds out his girlfriend is pregnant and then kind of freaks out and leaves her so you can of collect his thoughts and decide what to do and he thinks that he just left hours ago but every time he gets a phone call another year has passed by and he is convinced that he still just left hours ago and that his mom his girlfriend is buddy or i'll just cranking him about how much time has actually passed by and just like the first episode. You don't get any payoff you don't you don't know why this guy is in some like different time dimension. And he only takes hours has passed by Even the people's voices get better as they're talking to him because it's like at one point over sixteen years have passed by. Since he left his girlfriend he still thinks it's been mere hours that he's just been driving this whole time for just a couple hours to kinda get together and it just ends. You know you don't get any explanation at all and the third episode is the exact same way. That's the pedro pasco episode and. There's this strange situation that happens. That just escalates and escalates and escalates until finally it's just like oh it's so crazy and it ends and all three stories had nothing to do with each other. How was like at that point. I decided i was just done with the series. Like i don't i don't know if by the end of eight you're going to get some grand- tying everything together moment but i don't see how that's even possible. I don't i don't get hobbies or interconnected stories whatsoever. They were just strange stories. It reminded me a lot of there was a popular app where it was like tech stories where you would read these tech stories. It was like oh someone's down in the living room. The person's like texting with their mother. And it's all these like weird circumstances are happening and then every week they would add another like ten messages to the story that you could click through and it was just these creepy tech stories. It was kind of the same vibe is that but at least those tech stories all like follow the same. The read the same story in was our story after the other. I didn't much care for in this. You don't see any of the actors you don't see them talking on the phone. It's basically you just see on one side of the screen you see a name and as they're talking you kind of see like there. What would you call it. Jake like their signature speech signature. Yeah like on the like the old like twilight zone like where do you get the equilibrium. Yeah yeah like bounce up and down is people talk. Yeah and then on the left side. You'll get one side of the conversation on the right side you'll see another name the other conversation and it was like a like a tales from the dark side with phone calls or something. I don't know i give it a low tastes as well. I thought it started off really strong. And then it just got more and more grand crazy as it went and it really brought down for me. I i think they should have. I don't know you have to have a health. It's a great concept but it was like they all three episodes. They write themselves into a corner that they never get out. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. That's sad. I after that first one i i really never was so excited to jump back into this world and even see what the next phone call was about i. I really didn't care that. All through that i watched over very supernatural but in completely different way they're really quick like ten minutes ten twelve minutes right. Yeah the second and third episodes were like fifteen sixteen minutes longer. Yeah i don't know. I'd rather read the no sleep. Sub reddit familiar with that. I'd rather read that. It's a lot scarier so it's unfortunate such a great idea a marred by this first attempt at it not being so great. Yeah if you wanna check it out. It's on apple tv. Plus it's called calls. And yeah joe you should check this one out as well as the sherlock holmes show on that on that sir do they really have a sherlock holmes. Yeah dude they totally do and while you're checking out while you're checking out you should check out for all mankind and servant. I have started season two of raw mankind. And i'm like four four or five episodes in. And i'm loving and i'm on. I finished the second episode of servant for season two and they've completed that season. I'm on episode two. And i'm still lobbing servant. It's so good so yeah they've got some great show on fucking apple. Tv plus from mankind is just phenomenal. It's fucking phenomenal. I love that show anyway. Let's let's joe. Did you have any personal good pop pop singer. No not as we were okay. I don't know what i was going to say there. You guys want to take a break and come back. do some knows. Yeah sounds great cool. That is that is what we'll do. Gentlemen elementary my dear jo joe. Are you big encyclopedia. Lebron's joe is it any anybody solving anything. Harriet the spy. Joe fucking joe fogging joe fucking still holds his fucking math teacher from sixth grade and like oh my god though he solving these problems this guy guiding guys got equations on the board. And he's doing this at. That was dom i apologize. Joe you like mystery stuff man. You're just a mystery. I i do really like mysteries stuff. I really get into. Are you hoping. Are you hoping that this new batman movie is going to be a true mystery dude. I really hope that they they lean into the detective side of it. What's been really lacking in in so many different batman movies. Is that if you read. The batman comics these the world's greatest detective. Yeah yeah i'm really. I'm really hoping is obviously did a really good job of playing that out. But that's about the only thing. yeah. I'm really hoping matt reeves get this one man. I'm hoping that we've got. I hope i hope lightning can strike here with this man. I'm hoping matt reeves fucking robert patents and can fucking really make something special with this man. I'm i'm really looking for an air. Hope they just fuck and keep it separate. Just keep it out of everything keep it. Its own thing. God damn it. I don't ever wanna robert really. What warner brothers should do right. They don't guys. If you don't have a kevin feige and nobody else does then fucking just keep it separate all right. Stop fucking with it. Staff fucking separated. You gotta keep them separate and tara tara jake going full offspring on episode three seventy four j just went full offspring to check my town here. We go. I got play separated now. What me and my ex wife played when we've had problems dental aspen. Dental essentially ready got dim. It there we go jay. Remember this you got to keep them separate. Our this is our message to dc dc. Here you go everyone at dc. Everybody warner brothers got gotta keep them separated. Why finance funny. This is my note to dc. You gotta keep them separated. Listen you go you got to keep them separated student me and my ex wife to keep them separate what else. What else do you not want together. Joe well doing you laundry and separate your laundry. it's yeah let's say. Listen here colors in white. So watson colors you know you gotta do you gotta keep them separated. What else what else. What else do you gotta keep separated. Guide me zack snyder. Movies jake in zack snyder movies. You gotta keep. I would say i would say a bleach and we should ammonia. You take my monja monja completely. What are you gotta do. This is a public service announcement. What are you gonna do with bleach and ammonia. You gotta gotta keep them separated. Well what else you gotta keep separated baking soda and vinegar. Baking soda and vinegar got to keep them separate. Okay hold on a diet coke and mentos and diet coke rating. I would say. I don't. I add something and i lost it. I had something last. I think this is just getting more ridiculous. All right hold on me and this segment. i'm trying to do got to keep them separated. That is telling me this time. Brian and youtube gotta keep them. Separate was dying. Let's take a quick break and we're going to separate for a moment come back and we'll come back with the pop culture leftovers news. That was dumb. Nobody's gonna like that jake. That was the dumbest thing we've ever done right thinking things. Yes yes yes yes. I want a list of things you need to kick because like right now. We're trying to go off the cuff. I'm drunk and i can't really think of things that should not be together and i hold on now. I'm now i'm thinking of like ryan alcohol for the rest of this up. I was going to say. Ike and tina turner. Now i'm thinking of everything. Everything's sonny bono and fucking trees. I mean like there's so many things kevin spacey in any child. I know works with bryan singer. It works with brian. That goes along with god. Akiba separated we will be right back All right hey. We are back. Joe star thought of another one. Okay hold on hold on. Go for it jake. Dan west and comment shirt. Gotta keep them separated. I wanna say. Joe stark and anything shock home got to keep them separated. Is okay news from dario. Yeah did i. did i play the bumper. no. I didn't know it has time for the pop culture leftovers news. Read all about it. It's news in the data. This news gangsta fuck. Y'all right news from darker is a new standalone. Transformers is in the works at hasbro paramount. Pictures not a lot of information on this one guy. Tell me what you think about this though. Market ramirez who served as showrunner for the netflix marvel series. The defenders has signed on to pen the script while charm city kings filmmaker. Angel manual. Soto is attached to direct. The project is said to be still in its earliest stages with ramirez doing quote a fresh approach. That is not connected to either. The five michael bay films of the travis or the travis knight helmed. Spinoff bumblebee transformers. You gotta keep them separated all right but never gets old for us. Our listening audience is turned off. They've turned off the podcast. Nobody's listening. It's literally just the three of us at this point right. Nobody everybody is god right to worry about what i say. You know shit. I can say whatever the fuck i want to. It's just going to get real anyway Yet but the project seems to be unrelated to even to either. The stephen capable junior directed six films in the existing series. What this is getting crazy. Or the animated prequel one toy story four hammer. Josh cooler has been linked to both of those are in development at last report. Okay so now. Now we okay. We've got directed six film. That's continuing the existing series. That was set by michael bay. We've got an animated prequel from the toy story. Four helmer josh cooley. And now we've got something completely new coming to us from the director of charm city kings movie i love jacob lobbed year so good i gave uproars i. It's fantastic and this movie completely unrelated. Nothing we know nothing about this movie. It's hard to get excited but it's hard not to get excited when you've got such a fantastic filmmaker involved in this one and i don't know i really don't have a lot to say about this. I i honestly feel like there's too many transformers projects going on right now and it's. It's all quite confusing. Yeah i've read this news earlier this week. And i definitely got excited. Just seen who was helping the project like i mean. Just that news alone was enough to make me fist pump. A little bit if man honestly it's like i really love what travis night dead in the bumblebee movie jack. I know you're not the biggest fan of that. But more people. And i think a lot of diehard transformers fans love that movie just based on the fact of like the character designs and i think like you know i mean it had a little. It had its mix of like et with the alien girl. And i know the first movie did that as well with shiloh bath and everything but man. I loved joe. Did you watch bubby. Yeah that's been my favorite transformers movie. So far my favorite transformers movie live action. That's definitely my favorite my favorite movie of all time. Yeah and yeah that goes without saying the animated movie. I yeah live action. I know i know you know. I'm not trying to call you out. The i didn't care for any of the michael owens. I haven't even seen all of them. I think i've only seen the first two and that was enough for me. I've seen them all okay. These are just spectacle. Yeah i've seen them all. But yeah man. I'll see what i'll see what this new director angel manual soto does. I love trump city kings man. I'll i'll let them have a crack at my transformers man. Hopefully he'll do the do the do them right. Man i really wanted i really want. I'd like to see somebody be able to do an ensemble kind of transformers movie and do it right. These are some great characters. I mean the stable of characters that they have in transformers man some of the best characters ever. And i mean even the fucking the animated tv show for is like it was made for kids. It was made to sell toys. But if you go and you read the character descriptions for all the all of the different transformers characters. I mean every one of them has their own personality that you could really flesh out. If they want to go back to g and start fleshing out some of these characters they really could and they could make a great movie if they wanted to do something great with it and honestly man keep that vision. That travis had alive man that fucking that opening scene in cyber tron like they were fucking straight from jiwan we got a proper look transform transform as far as optimus prime look like optimus prime the fucking like everybody looked like you know sound way everybody looked like they were stuck in straight out of g. Transformers it was incredible. If they can man just fucking do it and do it right dammit. That's what i want. I'm sick obey formers. Done with bay forms man. I do not care about the stephen capable. Junior directed six phil wasn't stephen capable of the guy that directed creed to thought stallone directed crete now stephen capable junior creed. Yeah homa. it looks like it's the crew to cree to directed by steven. Yes alone hasn't directed rocky film. I think since rocky rocky balboa was it rocky balboa teacher bow bow director yeah semester salon directed rocky balboa. I think that was the last one that he directed. Because you had ryan kugler directing creed and joe did you like create to. I still haven't seen either the korean movies. What the fuck are you doing man. It's not like they're on apple tv plus it's not like they're on apple tv plus and you get a cameo by sherlock holmes in the second one was mary where the fact that i was telling this to like a rocky mega fan. Oh my god no. You love the rocky movies. I'm assuming i'm hoping. I grew up on the rocky movies. I love yeah. There's no excuse. Why haven't seen creed yet. In fact i'll add. It's my list right now. I think the i think that you'll love creed creed to is a necessary. Watch because you know you do jump back into you. Know dolph lundgren's character of drago and his son and stuff. I don't think that it's as good as create. I think. Ryan kugler is a superior director over steven capable junior which is like now. Why am excited at off for him. Taking over transformers movie but man hopefully do fucking proves me wrong hopefully proves me wrong. But we'll see newsom collider young guns three emilio estevez s sequel is definitely in the works. He talked with collider said. It's in the work. She says it's definitely in the works. I drive a lot. And i spent a lot of time in the mid west and people will tell me we haven't seen you on screen for a while come back. We'd love to see you in the movies again. We'd love to see you. Play gordon bombay. We'd love to see you play. Billy the kid so i feel like we've ticked one box and we're working on taking the other. The kid is a fun character to play. There's a lot of speculation about what happened that night in eighteen. Eighty one in fort sumner new mexico. Did he die did he. Not and so. There's a lot of mythical historical and actually some factual things that we can examine if we're serious about going back to that franchise as well. So he's saying that they're thinking about doing a thinking about doing a young gun three which like if you look back at the first movie the first move can kills them off then they come back and they kind of retro they all that and come back they bring back jose chevenez they bring back all the characters lou diamond phillips and kiefer sutherland. They bring them all back. Everybody that survived the first movie. They bring him back. And then we get young guns two. I think honestly. I love young guns and i think young guns two is a fantastic sequel as well. I love both of those movies equally. I think they both have their moments. And i think young guns two. It's it's just in my opinion and maybe nostalgic glasses. But i think it's just as good as the first. I agree with that. I think they're both about the same to me. I like in quite a lot to. I do think a third one is pretty. Needless though i think too much time has passed. And i really have no interest in seeing another movie in franchise and would it be right to call them young guns at this point. Yeah no shit. I do remember like in those movies. It's been years and years since i seen them. I enjoyed them when i was a kid. What do you think. I come in to the conclusion. Emilio estevez young guns separated. What do you think yes yes. It seems like that's a meteorologist. as jam. right now is redoing old. Ask franchises he was involved in. I know the mighty ducks series just released on disney plus this week as well confession a lot of people. I've never seen mighty ducks. I don't care to either of my extra. Triple fucking d.c. I don't know what the fuck you talking about. I mean nothing to me said triple fucking dick. I don't is that some kind of like porn thing going on d.c day. I thought you said triple deck. I was like wow what kind of what is going on. There's no big shock that that's true that is true. The hydra penis three. It's usually the redick's attached to three different people. Not not one person with three headed monster that is very unique point You think that's what rock and down there and we got all those hands that would that would be cool. That would do to jerk off three dick's four hands and you could still have one to like fucking do your taxes or whatever. I'll tickle your asshole. Yeah dick's. Goro and dick's separated stupid media. Definitely going back to me and youtube. You've got to give him supper. But so are they going to be playing the whole like the brushing bill thing israel and he never died. I guess you kind of have to just be something completely brand new. i mean. obviously they're going to have to story is gonna have to account for how old they are. Now let me. He was supposed to have died. He was supposed to have died and then wasn't like in like nineteen fifty five. Some guy came out and said yeah. I was billy the kid i never died and and like like a week or two after that interview that he had with the guy from the newspaper. The brushing bill ends up dying. And i mean they've taken they've they've taken the pictures of billy the kid and they put them up against like the real brushing bill and a lot of people will say yeah. You'll get expert saying yeah it's the same guy and then you'll get expert saying no no look at their facial structure's completely different people. I don't know where you could go with with a young guns three. I'm kind of out on this. Like emilio estevez really hasn't done a lot over the years kind of took a hiatus from acting felt like and i know he's coming back into this mighty ducks thing and and i'm happy for the fans of mighty ducks or whatever but i really don't care to young three. I think yeah you too much. Time has kinda passed i really and everybody's fucking debt if you're going by going by young guns to the only one that fucking survived. Is billy the kid because they had them in the brush you bill makeup at the end of the fucking movie. Everybody else died. Chavez die keeps his character. Doc died fucking charlie. Sheen died in the first fucking movie. Everybody fucking die. Who the fuck are you going to bring back to this movie. Everybody's dead on job. Yeah i thought we already went out on a blaze of glory thirty years. I'm done joe. You want to see if you want to see you. I'm going to let me know now. Now i'm okay this they're just doing this with so many different properties they just keep going back to the well well. This was really popular thirty years ago. It's like a little. Just leave it there. Then i think they should. I think they should cobra. Kai this joe. And have billy the kid teaching young cowboy. Kids do okay. Well over five finally gotten on board with that. And i'm current on it now. Yeah and if they can manage to do something like that then i'd be okay with now. No said well if you can do something and actually make it. Work before. Cobra kai came out. If you come up to me and like pitch that as an idea it'd be like i don't know man. I saw that karate kid reboot that they did with jackie chan and that wasn't special. I enjoyed every single. Bitta cobra kai that. I got so i i guess if you put a property in the hands of the correct writing team they can do something good with it but why go back to the well for young guns does happen. I think you need to leave young guns where it was. I think it ended. I think it ended really good. I don't know what you could do with the young guns three. And he's god he's he's so much older. Hardly a cad any. I mean unless you're going to be calling this young guns three billy's kid and it's going to be like his kids in this i i. I don't even want that. i don't want any of it. i want none of it. Just leave it the fuck alone. Leave it alone. i'm right there with ya. Yeah yeah i agree. Do you want me to go for the possible spoiler for the new mortal kombat movie that came from the toys. We can joe. If you don't want to hear this let me know. Now you're not going to bother me okay. Once again those garbage toys funchal pops of spoiled something from a movie. You don't wanna hear this fast forward funke pops and spoilers paraded. How my god you really do. You really do jake. Lego or the fucking worst. yeah funk has invaded the first wave of pop figures based on the characters. I'm done with you. Gotta keep him getting old. Get sick of it now. I know way that's the last time. Takes guard gotten brian. Go back to that bullshit. Well it's gonna happen guy somehow somehow down. The line is going to happen. Foco is unveiled. The first wave of pop figures based on characters. From the upcoming mortal kombat reboot and it consists of sub zero sonya. Blade coal young scorpion. Forearmed goro at his three dick circle jerk and coal young as scott. Now they're not making gora funke pop and coal young as scorpion fans began to speculate. That lewis tans mysterious character who is not in any of the video games might be revealed as a descendant of these spectral ninja after the recent trailer. And it looks like we may now have confirmation so they're basically saying that that coal young play by louis tan lewis tan from into the badlands. Lewis tan from deadpool. Two is going to be playing cole. Young is gonna turn into young scorpion. A younger version of score. A young scorpion. So we're gonna have the one dude plane scorpion. But he's gonna take on. he's going to be. He's going to be scorpion later on so that looks like the scorpions going to die in the movie. Right jank and he's going to be young. Scorpion yes yes. That's that was my takeaway as well which may co likable. I mean one of the things. We've complained about one of the very few things about about this. Mortal kombat remake is who the fuck is cole. I think this fix it man. Yeah that could be very awesome. I mean scorpions fan favorites. If this movie goes over well. I think it leaves room to have johnny cage. Come into the to the second movie. Yeah you do not want to keep johnny cage. Mortal kombat separated. No no nine joe. I feel like character way more palatable. I wanted to know what your thoughts were on. I think that this makes that character. Way more palatable. Yeah if it has some sort of connection. Because i i was just really worried that they were gonna shoehorned him. And it's like a replacement for for johnny cage. And i don't know i was living in fear that they're gonna do something stupid like give him a nickname because he's a cage fighter and just call him like kay. Jr is a nickname. That would be so lame right. That's why did you say that name level like name writing so yeah. I hope they don't do some shit like that. This is way more palatable to me. Yeah yeah it was. Just come out. April sixteenth wins out mortal combat thought. It was later. I thought i was like august. I could be wrong. Totally wrong about its april. It's april mortal. Kombat released april sixteenth april. Sixteen th yeah. I'm all over this shit. I cannot fucking wait for this movie day. One them in the theater watching the shit they want. I cannot wait to see fucking lou king and kung lao. They look bad at. Did you see. Did you see when fucking liu king made the fuck and fireball. What he does he fucking like he forms and then he kind like pushes it. It looked so dope in that trailer. Got a cool. Oh my god this movie this movie jake. They better not hold back on the violence. We talked about that a couple of weeks. They better not hold back on the violence. Better not push out man bring it. Yeah i have high hopes. I kinda wanna revisit. The old ones to. It's been so long since i've seen him. I'm hoping when he gets closer to this movie coming out. They're going to have a digital sale on the two original movies. Are you just watching. It was on netflix's last time i checked. I watched it maybe a year. So go on net flicks. I didn't know it was on netflix. It was it was definitely one of the streaming services. Because i i watched the original before we covered the the animated. Scorpions revenge one. Yeah i've watched the last one with within a year and i remember watching it on netflix. I'm checking right now. I'm checking to you. it's a race. It's only on hoopla right now. It's on hoopla hoopla. As a matter of fact but you can rented anywhere yeah it was on net flicks but did you ever watched the mortal kombat tv series. I came out in the late nineties. Yeah you can buy it on blu ray. What was that. Mortal kombat mortal kombat tv series mortal kombat. Conquest was the name of it. It's called mortal combat. I remember hearing about that. I've never seen it though. One season from one thousand nine hundred ninety eight to nineteen ninety. Nine ish oh had been garbage. I don't know i've never seen this. I have never seen. This show live action. It was it was live action conquest. Yeah they fucked up the beginning because they spot conquest with a see like. What kind of fans are these assholes. No shit should spelled with a k. mortal kombat conquest. Watch that anywhere you can buy. You can buy it on apple. Tv or amazon is expensive. It's probably twenty bucks. I don't fucking now. Because i buy your conquest with a see. What the fuck right. Yeah conquests with the you. Gotta keep them separate. Yeah you're right jackie. One twenty five bucks for this thing that how many episodes in iran twenty two. It might be worth it dollar in change per episode. Yeah yeah pants out here. Yeah sure like all shows up and that is up. thirteen talk. fatality is nuts. It's crazy you fucking the bird master. Did you get the bird. Masters like one of those downloadable. Dlc characters in the new combat. That'd be fucking awesome. already sauce. Catala they peck your eyes out and shit. Yeah take your eyes out. And he's got a quick at the end when he does that. He was like that was foul jake. Bird master in quips. I got to keep them separated. Didn't work out well. Let's move to marvel news as that. Sound gentleman yes. How does that sound jays. Like god please. Marble news news marvel email. Here swing comes from listener nathaniel. Hello brian my name is faneuil. And that's the end of the. I'm kidding that would be. Wouldn't that be fucked up yet. Great now diaz listener. Why is this in marble. Wow that's that's a mystery for sherlock holmes in joe's sherlock's on the case and Yeah that'd be fucked up emails just like a listener letting us know of his existence by sharing his name and we're gonna be the most fucked up you know would not. Actually that would probably be one of the more normal. And i hope everything is good with you and your cats and it is it is my cats are fantastic and i have a thor love and thunder theory that i thought you might find interesting. You don't have to read this on the podcast but if you could respond with your opinion i would appreciate it. I did find this. Were they to read on the path or the boy me that joke you gotta keep them separate and bird master. Took over your body either man bird. Is you think jank because of the whips work on yours. Jake means and i know we got. We have weekly podcast meetings about it. Don't we jake jake jake. Brian's call all of me into the office did not do this week. brian day. You gotta you gotta work on. Your tips are glad. Yeah like. I'm doing much better. This episode is last week one. Brian shit this is fucking wouldn't go all you don't have to read this on the podcast but if you could respond with your opinion i would appreciate it. My theories that jane has cancer dude or encounter with the ether. The reason it has not been more closely looked upon as due to the events. Thor ragnarok infinity war in endgame. I think jane got snapped away. Which would explain why she hasn't died from the cancer yet amongst the five years past of love to hear your thoughts on my theory. Thanks a bunch. Much love that comes from nathaniel and man that is a that is a fucking doozy of a theory. Jake what do you think man. I i i don. I can't find any holes in it. if it's true it it would work. It would work. No yeah they're going to go. The cancer route. I their best to tie it into things we've previously seen like i don't want it to just be some offscreen thing that happened like that. That's the way to do. It is to tie all the lower together and have it be something we've already encountered that costed so. Yeah i i when you think in jail. It's a it's a really good theory. it's really really solid. I mean they told her that you know if it was going to stay in her. It was going to kill her. And you know that much energy being in her body it makes sense that it would have some sort of negative repercussion like that man. I would say jane foster and the aether. I lost data back to the ad. Goddamn fuck on yeah. That didn't work. Yeah i was gonna you gotta keep zev rate. Very up i really. He's pretty fly for a white guy. No we're not doing now. We're not moving on to a different song now. Talking about jeff goldblum the fly fly for a white guy Yeah i think that lines up man. Here's the thing. Here's my biggest question. Do you guys all right. Jane's cancer in lebanon thunder. And what about what's the like. How do they explain these these machines mcconnell that basically he'll people like do you see what i'm saying here. You know what. I mean like anybody's got like what is what kinda opening up their technology to other people. Can these machines like he'll people from like diseases like this. Do we know this or not. You know. Let a bit. It's totally a big can of worms. And they didn't expressly say anything you know about eliminating diseases like cancer in black panther. I mean it is definitely shocking that their technology could heal that extent an injury. A spinal cord right. Yeah yeah. I just kept thinking to myself like anybody gets hurt anymore in the marvel. Cinematic universe yeah just like you know use. This will conduct technology to take care of him. I guess then we also have to take into regard is what for sure. The world just didn't proceed on as normal after the snap and if we'll condo is just starting to step out of you know. They're they're role hidden in step out into the world at large can like what we got at the end of black panther. It's like the you know the events of infinity. War came so quickly after that. You know you'd think had to have put some sort of a a damper on them. You know reaching out the way they were going to. Especially you know if sure he was the was lost in the snap which she was. Then you know she was going to be the head of that outreach program that was gonna be you know working with these science centers that were outside of what khandan. She's not even around anymore. So and i. I would chalk it all up to the snap. Okay i find a lot of. There's a lot of weight with this theory. I do think that we are going to have a jane foster that is i think we're going to catch up with her. She probably does have cancer. I think that's going to be a big part of this movie. I think that we're going to going to definitely. We've seen from the photos. We're going to be going to new asgard. I think that maybe just her presence in asgard maybe they bring her there for something some sort of healing seeing if they can do anything to help her and maybe just her presence there is what puts meal back together me on like forms back together and may and she is worthy and when she becomes the mighty thor then she. She doesn't suffer from cancer anymore. It's not able to you know at when she is mighty thor do if it ends up not be in some. You know the that. It's not from a different reality and it it does lay out somewhat like you just said i would love to see a scene of molnar reforging itself like that would be so fucking dope with there is like this. They taken set photos and there is like this set photos that i've seen her on wires and she's in the air and i definitely think that's something to do with like what's happening between her and becoming mighty thor in. Maybe maybe it is. Maybe it's me on our reforging itself. And yeah i don't know choosing her like it never felt like it needed to reforge itself until she was present. I dunno. that'd be incredible because in the comics she has a much stronger connection to meal near than than thor odin. Anybody else would ever wielded near like she can actually speak to the like the god tempest storm that owned a trapped inside it. Why just she has a different connection with like a deeper connection. It's like four. Even if i upset about in the comics and then he kinda comes to look at it in awe and realize like. Wow you have a stronger connection with milner than i ever did. It's it's been probably a year in changed. Since i read those jason aaron bucks. They're good enough books. And i'd like to go back read like every year so i'll probably due to read them So i'm just kind of spitballing off. Memory on that. Yeah i like your theory and annual. Thank you for the email man. I think you're onto something. I really do. Think you're onto something. And i can't wait for that movie. I can't wait to find out. I can't wait to find out more about what we know. That lady cifs going to be in that movie i. i'm really thinking and they're seeing local. He's not in the movie. I think i think that i don't know. Part of me. Thinks that that lady sieff might be it might not be. It might not be jamie alexander like it's jamie alexander playing lady sift but i'm thinking it might not be lady. It might be female loki actually pretending to be lady ladies sieff might have the real lady sieff might have died on on asgard when it was taken out onto west. Yeah i think we might see. Lady loki female loki in loki series. We'll see man we'll see because they've they've said tom heston's not going to be showing up in this movie in thor love and thunder and if he is like. That's a huge. That's a. that's a very well hidden secret so we'll find out we'll find out what movie comes out black widow. It's going to release in theaters and on disney plus on july ninth. Watch it on disney plus on july ninth. You're going to be playing paying the premium price that we all love that thirty dollar price point. It's still cheaper than me taking my entire family to the theatre but still hi. I'm a guy that lives by myself. And i wanna go i wanna watch black widow. I've got to drop thirty bucks. And that's when it's really the worst case scenario if you're spending thirty bucks to sit and watch it by yourself faulk. I hope you've got some sort of way to capture. I want to be seen this in the theater for five bucks at the. I'll tell you that there you go. What do you mean capture it. They make it. I don't know if you can record things you can watch times as you want. Yeah once you buy it on premier you can watch as many times you want but the problem with that jake is though like once it after like three or four months. It's just you can watch it on disney plus anyway but like you have to. Here's here's the you keep it. Yeah there you get it. Yeah but here's a look but here's the problem with with everything it's like if you don't fucking get it day one then you're going to be spoiled on it within fucking days on and social media. The memes alone will spoil you right. Yeah disney's by the balls here jake with the they really. That's what i was. Just going to say is they. They they really figured out how to get you on this one. It's like no we know you're gonna pay thirty but you know i mean like you said bryan you've got an option to go see it for five bucks at your local theater. Yeah but not everybody. Has that option. Very true not enough. I'm still wary. I've gotten my my shots yet. So i've been still real wary about going out in public. I've gotten step one step two next month on the old vaccinations. Yeah i haven't. I haven't gotten i haven't gotten the vaccination yet so yeah. I was early on the less being a grocery so grocery store worker. Yeah so a couple of weeks. I'll get my second shot. And then i'll be a lot more. I very much be comfortable enough to go. See blackwood on the theater by then. I'm happy i'm happy. It's fucking coming out. Though you know for fucking crying out loud. i'm happy it's finally fucking coming out. They can't hold onto it anymore. And that's what we're learning you know just can't onto it anymore. Do you feel like in the end since they went ahead and released it the way that we've been speculating all along that they would even saying all long. Just release it this way. The i mean. Do you feel like now that they've finally gone and done it that they should have just done this a long time ago. Or do you think this is more. Will they wanted to be able to for sure releases so that. It's not just disney plus. There is an option to still see in the theater in. That was not an option. You know say six months ago during a longtime ago. That's how i feel. Yeah i mean they did lawn and it was those those movies right around the same timetable as far as when they got delayed so they just really really didn't wanna lose box office. I'm black widow. So they are waiting until the very last possible moment. I kept wondering. I kept wondering if they had like a deal. Worked out with scarlett johansson to where like she agreed upon like. This is going to be at the release. And maybe she was the big hold up here and maybe she's gotten a payout because there's a lot of back and kind of stuff that movies do. Well robert downey junior. Has it worked into his contract. If these movies hit a certain number that gets kind of like a like a bonus you know what i mean like. Yeah if it hits this number you'll get a bonus so they add like more to what he actually made on the movie. I wonder if all the deals that they had set in place. Pre covid where basically so scarlett johansson. This is going to be theatric release. And if this does certain numbers in the theater theater theatrically you'll get this kind of number now. Scarlett johansson has had a lot of time to realize that. We're not out of this thing yet and theaters might never recover and they might have just fucking. I don't know we might. We might learn nothing. We learn nothing from this. They might be super secretive. But i wonder if they paid her out like kind of like what they do with petty jenkins and a gal gadot wonder woman eighty four and they paid them like a million bucks or whatever it was. Yeah i could see that being possible. Yeah one hundred percent agree with that. There's so many weird stipulations and contracts. I mean because wasn't that some of the reasoning with the way that the snyder cut was released the way it was. What do you mean like. I feel like the hbo snyder thing what happened either. Way i was thinking that if i they were talking about releasing it as a series but the actors got paid differently and so that's why they went ahead and really stood as okay yeah. How does that work. How does that work as far as as the actors are concerned because like the releasing this movie again did they get. Did they get more money or something. Of course they do because most got paid comeback in and do more filming not all of them it was basically the most of it was the filming for the nightmare scene. Which didn't include jason momoa and gal gadot. No they all got paid again like it was another released from what i read. Okay and that was something that the zack snyder was like. That was his reasoning for releasing it as a movie. Okay okay well. They already went in and did their part promoting this in they made to happen now. It's my job to protect them and make sure that they get paid. As a result i started the. And i'm i'm sure it was going to say i'm sure every contract though is is different you know. Yeah but yeah. I mean you know how it feels like when things get to that level. People probably argue over really fine points where it's like. Well we wrote this contract for you to get paid for the act release. This was a digital release. Therefore we can fuck you on your paycheck. And i started the the ray fisher interview. Have you heard about the podcast that he did recently know who was on you. Podcast the rookie. Brothers do a podcast called comic book debate and they beckon january. The interviewed zack snyder. And then last week. I think it was like on tuesday or something. They well ray fisher was teasing the interview on twitter and so i like added these guys on my podcast app. And it's called comic book debate. And they interviewed ray fisher. I haven't gotten through the whole thing. I've got thirty minutes left. And they haven't gotten to like any of the controversy that happened set yet. But they kind of talked about ray fisher his career. How long he's been in the business. They talked about like they talked about so far like what it was like for him to watch. The snyder cut for the first time how he felt. They haven't gotten any controversy yet and waiting to get to that but yeah people like. I have no problem telling other people about other podcasts. If they want to listen to this stuff. We're all into this shit. I'm not going to try to hide other podcasts from people so if you wanna listen to that ray fisher interview. It's called comic book debate. And it's hosted by the rookie. Brothers and yeah. I'm definitely going to be finishing this interview with him. I i hope that opens up about everything that happened. So i i'm on a podcast alone right now. I'm literally waving. I was looking up that episode up shit to everybody. I'm here on an island of podcast. Aloneness model news. We're talking about zack night. Or i don't know that we're going to jump into dc. We're going to jump in the d. c. news. Let's do that right now. Roy my vagina over to destroy these e. news news. He's shit you know what i didn't do this week. Jake i totally forgot the reader. i tunes reveal. We'll do it next week. Man not maybe we'll have fucking to maybe we'll have to because we got fucking one. Yeah yeah you wanna hear you wanna hear fucking tits review sunway set on you lacey's pieces shit if you don't give a shit. Why should we give shit. Apparently i tunes reviews and pop culture leftovers. You gotta keep them separate. That's what it's felt. Like the last few weeks i guess yeah i fuck it. I feel like when it comes to reviews in this podcast. I feel like i brought up the fucking comic book debate ray fisher interview and i'm hearing crickets from me from everybody else in the fuck podcast. These items are is. Because i'm not getting anything from anybody man. Oh my god my cat's on my table. He's trying to ease eating food. He's trying to get a little bit of attention and love from me. Yeah it's getting late dude. we're going to. We're going to spend time together. He he he he. He's up on the table right now. He's handsome is fuck. Joe you got you gotta acute care yourself. Jack i do. I've got jack. Kempthorne jackets all his his stories honky by the jackass. Two kids doing the state came. Second chile dow ads as freeze. Jack version of that. That every single lyric is sucking on a chilly. Yeah it was. Kevin shanks sent me to the sent me that video on twitter. I have a feeling that you would love this brian. Like i'm probably like thirty seconds in. And i'm like yeah i get behind this. I dig this shit. Funny just cracked me up to suicide squad together. Yes we finally got it. We finally got it. James guns the suicide squad all my god. Joe would you think dude. I'm so excited for this movie. Like i'm more excited for this than anything. Dc has come out with so far in in live action and mike canary in the coalmine for lots of d. stuff is Gail simone and her reaction to that trailer was just over. The moon. And i was like yes. I am on the right track with this if gail likes it. It's probably going to be good and do so much in that trailer. And i just loved that we're getting such a big ensemble cast with this and i love going into all the promotional stuff with it is. Don't get too attached. Oh my god this movies to be fucking bonkers do i got michael rooker survived. Looks fucking gray. i love it. I love it. S. and l.'s. Pete davidson as black guard. I think his real name is dick hurts. Oh my gosh. and then what nathan fillion. They show him really quickly in the trailer. He's drinking mr. Yeah yeah he's called. He's an original character known as tdk. Have you heard that the internet is saying. tk stands for. Is it torture desk. No they're saying the detachable kid like i guess his limbs spa. I don't know. I don't know if they're talking about here. The detachable guess. 'cause i think i've heard that acronym means tortured f kelvin. Yeah yeah that makes sense. Yeah yeah i fucking loved it. I thought it so much fun. I i think. I got the most kind of pumped over this seeing king shark king shark just picking up people and eating them with the mother fucker and hat says it's somebody oh my god voiced by rocky balboa rocky balboa sylvester stallone himself. Jp told me. I did not know that until you told me that. Oh that's hilarious. Yeah a semester. So was tweeting about it. That was actually a reveal from the trailer. See the best still. I was working all day. I didn't get to see this until like the trailer had already been out for like four or five hours. So i was a little late to the game when it came to the suicide squad trailer but man. I had so much fun with this trailer. I love what's his name. David desma malkin. I love that guy and him as the polka dot man. I think it's going to be super fun watching him in this movie. God i can't john. Cena looks great as pocket peacemaker. I love the first scene. Where they're trying to rescue highly quinn and she's already fucking rescued herself. Jake what did the top where the fuck out of this. I cannot wait to see this i. I'm just highest tupperware for me. I echo what joe said there's never been in. Dc movie up in more excited to see than this movie Interests in classic mad cat james gunn fund but unlike marvel he gets to go total are which has always been his style as always great picks for music love. The steely dan dirty work song that they used for this trailer. That was fucking awesome. I think the biggest laugh i got from. This trailer was the John's line about eating all the dick's for liberty on the island. And i was just dying that i feel like he's he's using kind like uses dave battista in the guardians movies. Yeah yeah that. I could see that. I think he's just like such a fucking schlep for liberty in america. You know what he'll like on the flip side. He's like hill. Do super violent shit. That captain america wouldn't do like to the extreme. Yeah yeah exactly. Yeah oh man. I cannot wait for this. Fucking movie is so fucking hyped. I hope this is just such a giant fucking success i. I can't wait to see someone like you do. I wanna go. I was gonna say they give us the like the setup about how they have the things in their heads and they can blow their heads up. You know james gunn is gonna give us that set without giving us that pay off. You know we're going to see. Amanda waller blow. Someone's fucking head off their body. My guess is pete davidson gets it. I one hundred percent yeah we. I've always kind of thought that and like it goes back to stephen farshid. Basically talked about when they had like the d. c. basically the big dc event that they had online and they had james gone and all the cast their and they were kind of like picking teams at the end of that like davidson was the last one picked and it felt like stephen farshid sent me an email or messaging me on facebook. Saying like you know david pick last there. He's like it. Seems like maybe like the rest of the cast got to spend a lot more time together and got to be really friendly with one another and maybe pete davidson was like one of the first guys that go so. Yeah i had a second guess. It would be michael rooker since michael rooker and james gone or such good buddies i could see james gunn blowing. His head up. I do savant could go very easily. Yeah like if you look at michael rooker in what was the the belcore expire was. It was the belcore experiment was belco the belco experiment. Michael rooker is like spoiler barely in that movie and dies very quickly so yeah def and he wrote that movie so i could definitely see that happening man. Oh my god. I can't wait. I'm right there with you guys. This is phenomenal. cannot wait to see this play out. Okay who is taika with td playing. We still don't know we still don't know i bet he storrow voice. That's what i'm reading. everything saying. He storrow storrow storrow. The mind controlling intergalactic starfish and leader of the star conquers a race of alien starfish. So everyone is saying that he's going to be playing storrow. See that i would love that. Storrow is one of my favorite cheesy. Dc comics villains to from even since being a child. I just it always just cracked me up very alien face hugger the way they stick to your head and then kinda take control your body. I don't know if they're going that route though. I don't know if we're gonna see the mini storrow sticking. Everyone's face or not. Could you see james. Gunn though possibly. Yeah we'll see tupperware the fuck out of the suicide squad trail. I can't wait. I'm not gonna do a breakdown. It was just awesome. It was awesome right. Yeah it was fucking it gave me. I laughed. I was just so excited. I don't think i've ever fist pump during a dc movie trailer. Like i did this one. I fucking a news. I'll go ahead you as you say it's been so long since a dc trailer has got me this excited but every other time in the past the dc trailers got me excited. There's been another party going leonard. Don't get your hopes up too much. But i just feel safer with this. Won't on census james gunn. Also i feel like i'm safe getting super excited for this one. Yeah yeah. I think after this comes out raw going to be like okay. Oh god. I can't wait for the peacemaker fucking series on hbo. Max that's still a thing. Gentlemen yeah. I'm excited for it. That's still fucking thing. Hbo free call hbo. Maxine going to charge us. You know nice thing about hbo. Max jake charges thirty bucks suicide squad. Ungodly expensive right from the start. Fourteen fourteen ninety nine a month. Give me the. I'll take fourteen ninety nine a month. Jake over fucking pain thirty bucks every time a fucking new movie that supposed to hit theaters comes out. I'd rather be. I'd rather fuck and shell out up. Fourteen ninety nine a month for great you know. What's great about fucking. Hbo max is like last week. I was like what. I wanna watch them. Jibbidy films and fucking watched spirit away. I watched pon. Yo it's worth it man. It's fucking worth fourteen. Ninety nine a month for that i was just. It's it's fifteen bucks off. Now it's fifteen. I'll take fifteen fucking bucks a month for what they're going to be putting out and what they have on the service right now. I really will man. I definitely fair this year next year yet to be seen. We'll see it's still. Hbo it's still hbo. How much were people paying for. Hbo fights self. Anyway tim bucks. It's got to be more. It had to be more than ten always around fifty. Exactly it was like thirteen to fifteen bucks for hp okay the x. Back when i just said. Hbo now hbo. Whichever one i was the i'm pretty sure it was around. Fifteen always seemed like it was like five to six more than all the other disney plus. Just raise the fucking rates to. Yeah they just want a dollar. Didn't yeah. I'm i jumped in on that three year deal. I get it for like five bucks a month for the first year. Nice yeah i just pay like one lump sum for three years when they did that. That's the best part is now only. Do you get it for five bucks a month. But you're done like you're already paid up. You're not even getting charged. Offer three years. I know i haven't i fucking just paid them. One lump sum for three years. But you know what that was going on. I don't know like honestly that. I do the whole thing i i. The only thing i paid for was the mandalorian. Yeah i watched of shit on there. I didn't i. Didn't i mean like the disney. I mean i don't know. Man hits a lot of people in the soldier button. I just can't go back and watch. I'm not going back and watching rescue rangers and all that shit man. I'm sorry dude. i'm sorry. I yeah i definitely wants to shit shit on. It's not my not my jam now. News from dark rises keaton's batman return in flash uncertain. Did you guys hear about this. No michael. Keaton has himself spark question as to whether reports of his return to the bruce wayne batman roll may have been premature while back in the news. Keaton was in talks to reprise his role from the tim. Burton directed batman films for the upcoming the flash film which will shortly begin production in the uk. That film will involve a multi verse traversing story. And we'll see keaton's version of batman appearing opposite ben affleck's batman keen however asked by deadline this week as to whether he's in the film says he isn't sure at this time quote. No you know what it is. I am needing a minute to think about it. Because i'm so fortunate and blessed i got so much going on now. I'm really into work right now. I don't know why. But i am. And so. yeah. I mean you know to tell you the truth somewhere on my ipad is an iteration of the whole flash thing that i haven't had time yet. I called them. And i said i have to be honest with you. I can't look at anything right now. I'm so deep into this thing. I'm doing also i'm prepping a thing. I'm producing and getting ready to do down the road in the fall that albion and i feel responsible to that so yeah there is that i'm not being cute or coy. If i talked about it. I'll just i'll be just bullshitting you. I don't really know. I have to look at the last draft to be honest with you. Know what worries me more than anything about all this stuff. It's covid i'm more concerned. I keep my eye more on the kobe situation in the uk than anything that will determine everything. That's why i'm living outside the city here on seventeen acres staying away from everybody because the kobe thing has got me really concerned. So that's my first thing about all projects. I look at it and go. Is this thing going to kill me literally. And you know if it doesn't then we talk filming on. The flash is scheduled to begin april. Twenty sixth at leavesden studios in the uk ahead of a release in november next year. This is not a sure thing. That keaton is returning as batman. Bruce wayne for the flash movie. And you know what. I'm not gonna sit here and cry about it because we got a guy. Basically saying yeah. I'm worried about being onset. I'm worried about catching covid. And i'm worried about dying here. So what if this keeps michael keaton alive. I'm not going to be. I'm not gonna be fucking upset that he's not playing batman. Yeah of course. I'm upset that. I won't get to see him as batman but man i can't fucking fault the guy for his thinking here. I wonder what ben affleck's attitude is. He came back and did reshoots for the snyder cut. Oh yeah okay. So i mean that that was very limited by exposure to anything now right. It's not like they were on one sound stage and that was all she wrote. I'm just saying that's all i'm saying is that he came back and he did reshoots but also what is ben. Affleck's thinking now that he won't be able to work side by side with michael keaton. That's my big question. I i think that he would come back. I think that he would come back and do this. All i'm hearing. This is michael keaton. Here what would you say. Joe doesn't say especially considering the the positive response so far in the snyder cut you'd think that hopefully that's gonna help with ben affleck but it's a really good point if part of his coming back was contingent on. This is going to be pretty epic if michael. Keaton skiers to batmans onscreen to batmans batman. Yeah and you can't fault. Michael keaton from that at all. Because you know i mean. It's socks volta movies and all that is is one thing but i mean it's not something you want to risk your life for right especially at the age that he's ad it's like you know this is stuff to take serious and it is odd to me like you know so. Many people getting getting vaccinations these days. Though you'd think that that would be less of a concern for him now but would you like to see as seen on. Let me throw this out to you. Would you like to see a scene where these two batman don't know that they're in the same room together see each other and have to fight each other holy ship. It'd be wild and then you get one scene where they grab each other. And ben affleck looks adam and says who are you. And he says i'm batman. He's like no. You know what i mean like. There's so much fucking shit that they could do. We could see to batman fighting each other. Man like an old season batman. Both of them are older and season batman. I would love to see that. I would love to see to batman fighting each other for a moment. I'm not saying like fucking. i do. Want to see them. Go to fisticuffs. I don't want to see them. Go to fisticuffs to the point. Where i was going to die but i would like to see that confrontation. I think that would be a very cool fucking thing to explore in the flash movie to watch to batman from two different universes fight each other man. We could get that if this fucking happens. Man that's fucking epoch is shit you take epic. Do you think michael. Keaton bows out. They'll try to find someone else. George clooney whoever. No i hope not immediately go to arguably the worst well at val kilmer's no shape to do it. It's a really valid point. That pretty much does leave that or christian bale building. I don't patent involved in this. I'm going to keep that keep. It separated it r. net. Yeah lego batman at hand. I think this movie falls apart. If you don't get keaton easy. I i think the movie falls apart. If you don't get keaton. I think that's a lot of the hype behind this seeing him back in the role and he was supposed to go on. We've heard rumors of him. Doing his own solo batman movie after this. Wow this yes. There's been rumors about him. Doing his own solo batman movie. After this you see if you can find this. That's what i was gonna say. I wonder if that'd be more of a batman beyond storyline. We definitely have talked about this as a rumor on past podcasts. I wonder what the plot line of that even is that there would be to batman at the same time on the screen though some kind of weird flash time travel ultimate reality. Shit like some spin on flashpoint. It's one hundred percent flash point. That's what we thought like. This movie is going to be. It's of know keeping what they wanna keep and then like out with the old in with the new so you know it might be a way to kind of reset the universe here. Keep gal gadot as wonder woman. Keep jason momoa. Aqua man get ourselves possibly a new superman or just go forward with the supergirl who we know we've been. They've cast a new supergirl man. I just wonder if. Keaton was gonna play thomas wayne then. No i no. I don't think so. I i don't i don't think so. I think keaton was gonna come back and play. The tim burton batman. And we're going to get caught up with that character. You know a a batman that's lost his alfred like there's so many things that we could follow. That was the that was the excitement about this is like where is this batman. Now you know thirty years down the road whereas this batman this is a batman. That's lost his alfred did he get with michelle pfeiffer cat one because she show up in this movie and there's a lot of questions that we had i wonder if they're gonna call it point but they're not going to do something flash so much as buried just like running into reality in the multi-diverse or something it'd be interesting to see how that plot shakes down in the end. Yeah we'll see. Hopefully michael keaton will do this movie. Hopefully he'll do it. I really hope that they can that they can. They can get him to do this and get them to do it and make sure that he feels safe on the doing it. Final story here in this comes from dark horizons as well emerald. Fennell to pan diesel. Tanna film oscar nominated promising young woman director. Emerald fennell has been set depend the film at adaptation of the dc comics titles. Tanna at warner brothers. Pictures and j.j. abrams bad. Robot guys first off before we get into emerald fennell here. Do you think this is a town of movie is going to be a theatrical release or do you think this is going to be one of those street. Hbo max movies that they were talking about. I think it's good. I think it's going to go straight to hbo. max. I would prefer it to be theatrical release but i agree that i think it'll go straight to hbo. Max do you think it'd be one where they do a split release on it were. They'd have it be both kind of like when they've been doing because a cove ed okay. It will for sure. The tanna doesn't have like a big mainstream mainstream following and neither did the guardians of the galaxy. That's true so. I mean if it's if it's handled and done the right way it can blow up. I'd love to seize tannen. Get a theatrical release. She's one of my favorite dc characters. She's my favorite female character of all time. I love hannah absolutely look. There's something about there's something about a female characters that deal with magic that i love. This is the same goes for marvel. My favorite female marvel characters magic. And i love the tanna i love. I love this this the idea of this movie in the fact that it might set up a justice league dark that was a run from dc. That i absolutely loved one of the best things that came out of the new fifty. Two jeff amir's justice league dark constantine swamp thing animal man tanna. I love it i love it man and i want to see the character done right. I wanna see the casting. Dun-rite i've already thrown it out there on social media that i would love the alexandra daddario from san andreas. She was also in true detective. She was most recently in. Oh god what was the movie with johnny knoxville. The horror film. That came out i love. Alexandra daddario tastic. Or on you taylor. Joy who played magic. And she was most recently in the queen's gambit if she's done with marvel man fucking. I'd love to see her as the tana's well. I think both both would be fantastic choices for the character but man a new new installment in the extended universe. The project marks the character's first appearance both in the eu and on the big screen. No one has yet been cast as the top had stage illusions illusionists who is also considered one of the most powerful sources in the dc universe inherited from her alchemist father. The character has previously appeared once in live action for him. Played by actress. Surrender swan in a guest starring role in a ladder. Season of the cw smallville fennell as also served as a writer show runner on the second season of bbc. America's killing eve which i haven't watson show everybody raves about it and i think it's getting a fifth and final season but i fucking loved promising young woman and to see emerald fennell tackle I'm very excited for tupperware this news. I think it's fantastic. The man they got to get the casting right and they gotta do the town of justice. Here i fucking love the character. And i really wanna see her done right and a i am off. I've been off whereas tanta movie for a long fucking time. It's a longtime common. You just gotta do this right. Please do this right. This is one of those where it's like you know. I think that they've got the right person in here to write it. But man you gotta get the casting down. You gotta get She's she's pending it. We don't know if she's directing at though. Yeah this is exciting. The news as well. It's it's fantastic character and yeah just visually. It could just be fucking stunning so hopefully they. Hopefully they do good casting. Hopefully they put some money into this and make it look good and this is one where i would not be upset if they tried to open it up. And and and basically bring this character into a justice league dark film. I mean as a sequel to this basically. Yeah yeah yeah. Don't get to like ahead of yourself with a ton of different movies right yes starbucks. Ain't hannah movie. Lead into tanta. Movie doesn't work then. Just drop it. Drop it all. Drop it all. But i want to see it done right. I want to see it done right. Man who knows the end of the day they might cast somebody completely new into the role that we that no one saw coming and we'll just have to. It'll be a wait and see at that point. It'll be a wait and see i have. I have a lot of hope for this though. God i hope is hope it's good. I love the character. I really do. I i love the character tanna. So we'll see. Hopefully they'll be able to do this right but that is all i have for dc news michael keaton. Please come back. it'd be bad man. Please make it a safe environment for michael keaton. I gotta see this man. I guess he to batman on the screen at the same time. I want to see him. Fuck each other up to stop thinking about that too batman fighting each other. Joe jake. Can you imagine this. Yeah love it. I opened up to bat. Mobiles staring each other down in a fucking alley in gotham. What the fuck. I wanna to batman playing chicken with batmobiles love that normally any other dc movie were like let whatever character have their own movie without batman but in the flash movie where like who gives a shit give us to batman gives us to to give us to in this case to batman. You can't keep them separated all right. Yeah that that means. It's time to end the show. When i when i do that when when you've got youtube and now you're just doing now. Steuna hack job of the lead singer of offspring. A brian and offspring karaoke isn't that guy is the lead singer of offspring. Still with us. Yes yes yes. Good for him. Good for him actually. They actually just redid the song and changed the lyric to you've got gotta get a vaccination. Are you serious god. I saw a few days ago. That's why it was fractured. my head. Fuck i i gotta play this. I i'm looking for. I think i found it. Harry here again. God can vaccinate golden vaccinate the first place the most well-intentioned sell out. I've ever heard way better than sir. Mix a lot selling backpacks. Oh my god. Joe wanna thank you sir. Thank you never such documents. There is talk. We're talking about five eighteen fisher again. Something like speaking of fisher's. I was fishing for a response from you to and couldn't find what i cast my line and i came up with nothing. Joe thank god. I I wanna thank you. Joe for putting up with us tonight. Do you think you as usual. This is this is five hours of laughing so much that my face hurts the best. I've talked with you guys just like sherlock home. The real mystery is. Why fuck do you hang out with me jake for four hours. You guys are my people. I would ask the same of you. Might stupid chuckle. That's our dude. I love it man. I love you do i love i love when we finally be like all. Meet up at sea tweet. I love seeing your face man. You know so and we gotta get back together. We gotta do a comic books episode. I got some comic books in the mailman man. Yes in a a lot of those that you picked up dude. I really liked when you sent those to the group. So they're they're on my agenda to add to my digital police so yeah whenever you wanna talk comics man. Hit me up. I got that. I got that i got that new suicide squad book that came out actually though. Yeah that one looked really good. Yeah team on that. i'd have to grab it. I'd have to grab it and let you know man on. Let me pause real quick. I'll see i'm going to grab my comics. Real quick bucket hold on. I'll be right back what you got. See oh joe. I got proctor valley road. This is new boom boom studios book by grant morrison. That one looked really good. Yeah radiant black. The new kyle higgins awesome this radiant black. It's it's an. It's an image book. And i think this is images first attempt at doing kind of like the marvel. Cinematic universe where they have different. You know all these different characters and movies and the elite up to an avengers. Radiant black is like the first comic that they're introducing here. They're going to have like an image universe where all these different characters meet up together eventually. Kind of like that'll be cool. That's what i'm hearing. That's the rumor. The suicide squad book. That i got jake me see here. It's got on the cover thompson. Do you know who the writer thompson is a gel thompson. It might be jill thompson. Let me check pulling this out right now. I got knocked tara. The new sky. Scott snyder book do that looks so good. Yeah scott snyder tony. S daniel the suicide squad. I can't. I'm gonna read these tomorrow. Fuck it. I married this tomorrow. Who is the bobby thompson. i'm not familiar with. I'm not familiar. That'd be task neither Pencils eduardo inks julia ferrara. Color marcelo. malia. Yeah i'm not really familiar with this team. But it's a new suicide peacemaker on the front. Cover here jake and joe. It looks like they got fucking talen. It looks like talent on this. Front comes to yeah. They're going to be fighting talent. That's going to be awesome Yeah yeah yeah knock. Tear got knocked era. Let's the other book that. I got here that shade one i got x. Men demon days. That looks really good. Peach mom oko doing x. Men demon days. So i did get one marvel book to get the. I'm supposed to be getting the new marvels doing alien now. Jake since fucking marvel. Six disney owns fox. Yeah they're doing. They're doing alien comic book. Wonder if i got that in this people you can turn it off. You can only hear him talking about these books. Turn it the fuck off. I'm just interested. I just got this today. I got the joker book from infinite frontier. This new internet frontier. They got going on when. I got carmen carmen. The image book karma karman looked really good. Yeah so i'm gonna be. I'm going to do and i've got like a quite a few comic books comic books here that i'm going to be reading over the next few days. I'm really looking forward to reading all these especially tara carmen and radiant black. I'm really looking forward to reading those. I didn't get the alien book. Though that's going to be coming later. I think ray fisher fisher moment Yeah yeah yeah joe. Where can people find you sir. Check me out on. Start cast for Long-form conversation shows number on comic books reviewing comics. And if you're on twitter you can find me at the tubby ninja there. You go follow joe twitter. Let them know how much you love them and check out his book. I become death indefinitely. Enter the communist era fucking contest. Win free audio copy of i become death written by this motherfucker. We got on the fat podcast. We got crazy. Haven't been shit if i did write something. You wouldn't wanna read it fisher and you guys would be like there'd be nothing it'd be crickets. Stay away just like leftover saying doggie bags. Thank you for your patriots. Thanks for listening. We'll see you next week with episode three seventy five. Jake what are we. What are we covering on episode. Three seventy five godzilla. God sale versus king kong. I can't wait for it. can you wait for. I cannot wait for that movie. it looks fantastic. I don't know why app sound like and a feminist southern man right now but can't really put my finger on that way. yeah godzilla vs kong. Not a game on netflix. Fuck that is concrete cowboy concrete cowboy on i. I think that's an idris elba movie man. You haven't heard of that. Yeah we'll be to an oral history on easter. we are. Yes jake was going to do that. We're talking about easter. 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157: Top 15 Best & 5 Worst Film Musicals

Reel Chronicles

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157: Top 15 Best & 5 Worst Film Musicals

"Pro what's up. Everybody we are back. Welcome to rear chronicles brought to you by real. Talking dot com. I'm your host david. I m joined with today ryan. Hello how's it doing today. Jennifer he guys and just because he loves music leo. I'm wearing my ridell high wonderful so today we are looking at the movie musical. It's something that i been wanted to look into for a very long time. And i felt this accrue to do with not only. Are we looking at our top fifteen musicals but we're looking at our top five worse and i think i'm the only one that seen a specific movie on on my worthless so i can't wait to talk about it but before we get into that. Let's get into some of the news of the week. And i want to start with the johnny depp news with fantastic beasts so last week we reported that he had been graciously fired and then this week it was reported that he's going to receive his full salary because he has a pay in place situation. Do you guys pay players now. Tallus so pay play is if you sign this contract to be in a franchise in a film and they replace you you have or the movie gets cancelled or sequel gets canceled for any reason and you still get full salary. And someone like johnny depp and make sense. He's named so. That seemed like something that would be in there but the news. I did wanna talk about was the mad. Mickelson is in talks to replace johnny depp. Now i'm gonna starwood jenny because she just gave. I was going to start with leo but Jenny just gimme a face. So i'm going to start with john. I mean he's a good villain. But i don't know that i see it but you know once there's makeup and all that i'm sure they can pull it off. Yeah i think what this is really a huge fan of the fantastic beasts movies away. I am with harry potter. But i will say this will be the third person that please the character because column farrell played them and the i think. So why can't colin farrell. come back. he's old enough like he's not like it's not. I don't know because. I think if i remember the continuity correctly johnny depp's version of grindelwald was hiding in column farrell's like body type of thing like he transformed at the al so that's why they can't do that so i now before moving onto leo. I like it because i love him casino royale. I think he's such a great bond villain and he is pretty solid in doctor. Strange and of course. He's also hannibal lecter so scared call. I think there's a lot there to play with. That makes his casting some good A good addition once. It happens leo thoughts. I think i think i agree completely with what you mentioned. I think mad mickelson is. He's right on that point. Where like he's not super johnny depp expenses. But like he's still talented enough to like be able to like do what they need him to do. yeah i'm for it. I loved them. Hannibal lecter. I think. That was like yeah. I think it's a good fit ryan. Thought i agree with you guys. I'm not huge fan of the series but hold on. Hold off the these ears. Oh i this is like got the we're going to have a lord of the rings situation again harry potter of a fantastic on. So yeah. it's it's hit or miss. The first one's good second one is okay. Jenny likes it for netflix. Netflix So yeah next bit of news. We'll make jenny. And all of you guys happy. It makes me happy. But i have not seen season to the umbrella. Academy has official to be renewed for season three. Yeah i'm excited. Not at least netflix. fucking cancer. Are you surprised it took this long. No i think. I think because netflix's has been canceling so they probably freeing up those budgets And then probably seen like whose ranking higher. I mean but it's trending like it was trending when it came out. I think it's still in the top. Ten of the swat shows on netflix. Some leo thoughts. Yeah i was relieved. I'll be honest. nobody. To be honest. I didn't i didn't expect glow to be candle. High going back. I loved it. I kinda you can't put anything over right. Can't be like especially post covid anecdotally the they're announce it was gonna be the last season of glow anyway so like they were cancelled and they had the story to wrap it up. So like why not just fucking give it to us and you already filmed three episodes. I think before it and executing give any fucking closure that's too. It's like if you keep canceling every show that you're putting out there netflix. People are going to stop watt wanting to watch that i like that was my big gripe like growing up watching tv shows on like abc. Cbs nbc. I would never really like. I would get hooked on a show in. They're beginning seasons and then they would cancel it and not bring it back. I got to a point where i was like. You know fuck this. I'm not watching any new shogo season. And then that just deters you because you're not getting my readings anyway and so it's just like you know you need the ratings so you gotta make sure you come back but then i have a gripe of netflix's already for one day at a time. Because they did it for three seasons there they cancelled it. So fuck you. And then the thought. It's pop tv and thank god now. Cbs picked it up. But because of cova this year there episodes were cut short. but they're great and Hopefully they get a renewal so we actually get to continue the story because it's so important for the representation but yeah netflix's like i. I watched a new show. The other day yesterday actually called the leeann. It's really cute. It's like young adult and it's set in new york city right up my alley and it's around christmas time and i'm hoping that it comes back for another season fun fact. The crown debuted yesterday actually today. It's today's sunday so yeah. I saw it on efforts this morning. So i expect you to be binging that and let us know what you think by next week next tamar next next bit of news. I think jenny and are the only ones i can speak on this. So quiet place. Spinoff has been announced by geoff nicholls. So what's a spin off the they can't save because partout hasn't come out. I mean the only thing i can think of is how it happened because we can't really we can't really talk. You like a prequel. No i think it's a sequel. He is like an expansion of that university. It's kinda like a walking dead kind of thing. Leo trying to expand the universe. Got it sequel. We can't. I can't talk about quite place to yet because it's unbelievable i can see if it's a sequel series. What were they're going and that's from seeing the scene partout. I think i can okay. I can say that jenny. Do you agree because you saw it with me. Yeah i mean. I guess i can see the potential but then are you bringing back so this is going to be a movie right. No i think it's i think maybe a spin. No it is a movie. it's definitely it is a move. Okay okay well all right well as long as you. If it is a sequel you would have to bring certain people back into it if not then. Don't fuck do it. I don't even waste my time. Because i didn't even wanna i today today. I'm bringing it. I didn't even want a second one. And i love it and loved it so the second one was very very good. I think everyone would be really happy. Whenever never comes out. What april twenty twenty one. Hopefully and yeah. I think everyone will like it. There's definitely a lot more tension you can say that like you can say there is. I think i said this back in april. There's there's one scene with a bear trap. Yeah that is one of the most not uncomfortable. I was one of the most tense moments. I've ever seen a movie. I can't. I can't imagine nothing able to yell because remember. You can't talk at all so when the bear trap scene happens in partout you're like oh my god that's all i'll say and then last two bits of news. I just love talking. There's always snyder cut news on the podcast one. Leo's odd so did you. Do you guys hear the latest about the snyder cut. So i thought alert about it. But i gotta stop. I'm like why. Why got jesus in it. Like i know so. Apparently all the reshoots they are claiming that there are doing will only two four minutes of new footage in the movie. What yup and to make matters worse the joker will have a completely new look. I can wait. I'm so excited. I'm so excited. I don't even know what to say anymore. It's just it gets better and better like this is like literally what we were mentioning a few episodes back. It's like how much of this is. Actually the original vision and how much you just making it up now because you're getting some more funding like adding to it. But it's like i don't wanna fucking see it. I don't care. I don't wanna see you don't say that you're going to upset them. I don't care who i upset. I'm on a fucking people know for real though. Like my whole thing is just create a whole new movie at this point. It's a whole new movie and i understand. You wanna get like. Maybe you didn't get to play or really fully. Get your vision before. But i don't know. I just feel like your advertising it as this. Then you're going to bring back and it's going to be more like something. I don't know what it ain't my time wasted. I'm with you and then This is really gonna get jenny. Riled up wonder woman one thousand nine hundred. What the fuck is okay so this. I'm a little like can can. Can i finish the news. Finishing for the people that maybe don't know so wonder woman nineteen eighty-four four. And i said this may happen on room and it's still rumor it stella rumor wonder brothers. Is mulling over. The idea of moving wonder woman nineteen eighty-four to hbo max in january or moving into the summer cannot on they would still if they premier in each on. Hbo maxon january. They would still debut it on christmas day. They would own theaters on christmas day. And then put it in january on. Hbo kick. Before you go off. Can i can i can i go i yes. I think they should do the christmas day. Of course i wanna see it. I know well. I wanna see it. No i want christmas day. I wanna keep it christmas day. I want people to be able to go to the theaters and see it and support a female lead female directed on. I'm gonna break some news to you know movie this year or next year is going to make a lot of money so why not. Just if they open next year and everything not. Everything's back to normal. We know we're not going back to normal for a while. You're not going to get a billion dollar moving next year. i guarantee i guarantee it whether it's marvel. There is no way. We're getting a billion dollars this year now looking for a billion dollars. I'm looking for putting it in two thousand theaters away. You were planning to do that if they're going to do it on and put it on. Hbo max who's gonna go people get us to hbo. Max cancel it after. They watched the movie before. Remove before before leo chimes in. Here's my counter arguments to who's to say they they don't put on. Hbo on january thirty first. Which is over a month theaters. They're not gonna do that. They're going to put it in for you. Don't know you're coming into new year's market you wanna do. A new year's day is the day that most people are home. Why wouldn't you premiered on january first. Because you have sweeps at the end of january saying okay. Go ahead leo thoughts. I'd rather see nine just cutting everyone off now. Just rather they move it then. I don't live. I respect the passion and i understand where you're coming from but the matter is cova cases are on the rise again and like the the reality of like opening this up in theaters. Much more dangerous reality than it was two months ago. So i understand the concept of making it go as lit a maybe just like a a a a release it like a day or two or a month or two. That's a compromise at that point. But like i am sorry to agree with david on this completely as far as the know movies and make any money. That reality is kind of coming gone at this point. It's like let's just do the best we can. But i say like yeah Moving into streaming. I understand why the decision would be made is just. It's just the smartest or people's health. They learned their warner's learned their lesson with tenant while. Yeah but i think i think if they're going to do it. Just move it move it again because at this point we haven't seen the film at all move it again. The way black widow has been moved because black widow ain't going anywhere on streaming disney's keeping was of right now. It's not so then move the movie again. I want the movie to have a chance to be in theaters at least yes. Cases have spiked but that is the fault of the people and no one else. I agree i but the american doesn't matter different but it doesn't matter it doesn't matter whose fault it is but systems reality religious. But that's why i don't wanna see it on streaming at home. I wanna see it on the big thing. You can december twenty fifth if it continues that way but they may end up just putting it on. Hbo max solely knows it is what it is. There's nothing i could do about it. I'm just telling you why i feel. Give it a chance to be fully in theaters. I rather wait six more months at this point. I've waited for every other movie. We anticipated this year. It's a lost year. I mean there's nothing else we can do about it. So i rather than just wait and i went to the movies this week. So and i'll touch. I'll touch on that in a bit. Brian thoughts i wonder woman. I'm actually down for this. I think it's a smart move the money when you can but just get it out there at this point and move on and try to get it. Get it out there as much as possible. Get as many is as possible because we've talked about thousand times hobby dying streaming where it's going gonna be And something none of us mentioned. That just came to mind. Let's say the movie does move to twenty twenty one to summer. Let's say let's just throw it in the summer. Do you know how many movies are coming out every single week summer. If so go day where do you think that movies making money. If it opened. If one week you have wonder woman and the next week you have ghostbusters and the next week you have black widow. Where's this movie making money. So here's the thing right. Like people are still going to be unemployed next year. So i actually. What when you think about this too convincing jen i. I'm still for all this being in the theaters. that is one hundred percent. And that won't change but i guess you're right when you think about it right and you think about the unemployment rate the way things are going and if we have all these movies back to back to back people are still going to have to pick and choose going to. The movies is an experience in itself. Now because it's so costly like maybe if you go by yourself fine but to bring your family you know how much you spend going to the movies a lot of money and like it's it's a lot so people aren't going aren't going to go every week. Maybe we will. Maybe we'll go back but not everyone else will so people will pick and choose. You're nostalgic for ghostbusters. So you're gonna go to that over wonder woman one week if that was. I mean you're going to go all the movies so it's not really. You're not a good case for this. But you know what like someone and their preferences right. They're going to pick and choose to you know but you're right. I think maybe they aren't going to make a lot of money. And i know i. That's why i said it but at that point it's like there's not enough to go around. It's going to be cut like up through twenty one not to mention like how many theaters i mean. We're still gonna have theaters but you don't know how many locations are going to be closed by then also yup. You might have more locate you know. Amc may cut back on two hundred theaters because they need to put invest in december twenty fifth. When nothing else has released and make your money. So i think continue that they might not though decide to go streaming. I think the only thing releasing now christmas days more oscar friendly films so you're not gonna have anything that's gonna click news of the world. I think it's christmas day and I'd have to an promising. A woman is christmas day. And i'll talk about that in a little bit but yeah that wraps up in us for the week what we watched what we watch us. We guys gen. So i watched dash and lilly yesterday on netflix. It's a really cute like young adult romance. It's actually based off of a book. Series that i never read but i kinda wanna read it now. It's really cute. it's new york. City is a very much a big character in the book too because they go to all these different new york locations in about this girl in this boy. This girl leaves a notebook at the strand. Which is a bookstore if any has been there. She leaves a notebook in the shelves at the strand and dash. Who is a eloquent. Very avid reader finds it within the shelves. And it's sort of like a scavenger hunt and so they write notes to each other back and forth in the notebook and then it turns into like other stuff that you'll see but in the beginning they don't know who who they are like. He's notebook guy or notebook boy and she's a clue girl so it's really cute and it just continues to set around christmas time so it's actually really perfect and actually you know who directed a bunch of episodes Fred savage ono ears. He does a lot of directing for tv shows. He's done some episodes they think of glow he's done a ton of stuff so he was promoting it to So yeah so. That's what i watched yesterday. You saw a movie this morning. I saw a movie this morning. I saw cabaret. Because i had never seen the movie even though she argued with me years ago about this. I can still argue with you. It's i mean. Everyone lives to argue with you david but you should. How about you argue with me when you actually seen the movie instead of argue. A case for for instance four pop. Cola bob fosse. I'm coming from my dance. Passed in history. I used to dance ballet tap jazz. All of that. And bob fosse is a prolific choreographer. So knowing bob fosse his work and his talent. I can't argue it even without seeing the movie. Because i know what his moves are and what that his style. So for instance. Ford coppola and bob fosse. It's two different talents. I'm not comparing like i'm not saying one is better than the other. But it's bob fosse deserve to be coppola for the oscar in one thousand nine hundred eighty two. That's all i wanna know. That's all. I want to know very different movie. Which one is the better directed film. The godfather cadbury. That's all i want to know. Better directed i would say the god. Oh really better like overall with the music and the choreography and all of that. But it's again it's a very it's two different wanna know the direction that's direction and the cut. It's all i wanted. Oh okay the whole story wonderful. That's wonderful storytelling. That's wonderful as opposed. Although this movie was actually kind of law. Father godfathers to fifty two cabarets to ten. Now much difference in time length. Forty minutes is a difference. It's that's a whole tv episode and then the other question but anyway i'm not done yet is al pacino was al pacino. Rods of the oscar. In for joel grey joe. -gree cabaret did he desert the oscar or out pacino. No i don't that's okay we can. We can stop there. That's that's always did. Oh yes she yes she wanted. She's incredible she's incredible in that. Okay that's all i wanted to ask. Leo what did you see this week. Nothing as No actually i had a couple of shows. I needed to just finish up. Started them. And i just never got around finishing them. One of them makes me like a disgrace to be a marvel. Fan 'cause I took me forever. But i finally finish punisher. How did you like it. Because i still have a finish the two over one actually. Actually i liked it too. I definitely enjoyed. I needed to finish. Maybe four or five episodes. I finish that i also finished mister robot. I needed the last final season. I didn't finish the last season you. How does it end. well it's it. Takes some twists in there. If you if you're a fan it's gonna be a filling ending I can absolutely tell you that it's like it. There's a lot of stuff in it. I just didn't see coming in but it's very it's very mister robot like so you're gonna you're gonna you're gonna appreciate it And i actually started a new show. That was recommended. I saw online recommended for people that like academy and And that's seifi genre. It's it's a show with a british show called missed it okay It actually has Jenny clouds from the umbrella academy. He's in it a young clouds in it. and so is john ramsey. From game of thrones what it is. It's five like juvenile delinquents. That get sent to community service and then they all get empowers and like you see them trying to use their powers and like hijinks a very dark comedy very very cool very fun. Show so far as ryan and i we. We were both still on our supernatural Prep work for this This week class episode. Are you guys gonna cry next week. Probably if this this pre last but this was like very tearjerker east. I can only imagine what's going to the actual finale. What about your i. what did you see. I'm gonna touch on supernatural a little bit without giving away. spoilers me. we'll talk about off the it felt. I really want to know if there was rewrite because it felt very kovic friendly the without giving away a slot antibody like round. So i'm wondering that's why I also watched a lot of movies for this weekend. That's really add to supernatural in that unless actual musical at the end the oh. That's why the montage maybe think this was the last episode montage of rioting off into the sunset on my come on. What are you checking my tv. And i'm like is this last episode. Did i forget something and right. You said you you finish the show this week. Did he not something about not triplets. But we'll done leah will died. It's a future episode twin peaks. I finished up last week. Oh did you oh you do. You didn't talk about it though. So i i want to know. What do you of episode. that's all i want to know and then we'll all. Why was it an acid trip that did or did you love it little. That's all that's all can love acid trip. I i going to talk about it in two weeks and i never taken acid. But i think that's what acid feels like. It must be so. Yeah i'm my end or anything else right or is that it awesome so for me. I wanted to highlight four things here so i sell freaky yesterday. Wow is that vince. Vaughn i i just love von so. I'm very bias. When i talk about vince vaughn ears. That just came out this week so pretty much. It's freaky friday but the harvard freaky friday. The girl is you know. Lightning hits delayed. I think it did in the the remake or whatever no okay sure so lightning hits. And then he vince. Vaughn is a serial killer at the beginning of the movie. And he's about to kill the girl and then they switch places so vince vaughn is a seventeen year old girl the whole movie and it's it's so tired. Comedy comedy gold. I think i think it's a movie. Okay cool. I also saw another jenny. Movie thinks focus feature for giving me this movie the screening of about a month and a half early promising young woman. It's a carey mulligan. It is one of the best movies of the year. Like hands down one of the best movies of the year. it had. Its is distracted by a woman in violent. Yes i. I remember when i told you guys to watch parasite and watch it without knowing anything. It's just kind of the way i want you. I would love you guys to watch this. I will only say it does tackle rape culture and like the. What do you call the those kind of my god you. You've said it before gen. Not domestic violence. No no about white boys. Have this mentality frapp way culture. Now take it. So you see a lot of that. And the ending and i wrote my. I wrote a might. Sorry no. it's not it's not but it's predominantly listeners. On a roll today. She's she's like alienating. Everybody know it but it is. It's it's tech. Sorry no offense to any white boys but it's white boy culture and it's not unlike the white boy frats that i saw when i was at rutgers so it's very much it's sort of like that privileged upper class like white mentality. That's not where i was going. I was going it always as you weren't gonna accuse me of you know i i was not So going with the the idea that like how guy is take advantage. Try to take advantage of women at bars. That are drunk type of thing. It examines that it's kind of like it's not a horror comedy but they kind of m- disguise it as that. Because it is pretty deep carey mulligan's performances probably my favorite female performance of the year. It is incredible stuff. I don't think she will get nominated because the movies too cool for the academy. It is just way too cool. Like the i hope she does. But it's no. I don't think they i would think they have the balls to nominate her for this. The ending will piss off jenny so so much. But but it's a conversation to be had like it opens up discussions a lot being a contender for the other award. If not for the academy award no sag is usually like if if it's that good so i would probably give it some love. I think i gotta check the budget. But maybe indy indie spirits. Yeah this seems like it would be an indie. I think so but carey mulligan. That's all i can say. If she's just worth it's worth it. Just watcher eviscerate every scene. She is incredible and the other movie i saw was david adventures bank and looking forward to this for a while. So my god. It's all he talks about how we talk during dinner. I'm like yeah. I about bank. Yeah i just about make so. It's like the new law. It's not it's not lost twenty. It's true yeah that's a good. One joker was twenty nine thousand nine hundred one team So in terms of the movie. I think it's going. How do you. i'll ask as leo. what do you power ua. Fincher like a you hit or miss i. you know what i generally generally. i'm a fan. i it's kinda funny. Because i can't really. I can't say that i i. I know it's essential movie off the bat. You can recognize pretty well like that. I still can't but if you name the fincher movies. I'm like oh wait. This is listed. I generally like all them. Gotcha i'm ryan. You're not too familiar with fincher. The only move ever really seen from his social networking seven. I you i. i'll throw some. That are be ryan friendly in terms of What you would like And gen- i think what she doesn't like the social network so i don't know how she's gonna feel with me So like the social network. It's just a very slow movie at all but china and it's kind of like i don't know what are the best rates. Eisenberg is good in it but he just turns me off. It's just. I don't root for him i don't i suppose to just don't like i don't feel like it's a movie i. It's not a movie at gravity. Tune tim to make me happy or to entertain me or to really give me much. I just feel like i've watched it once. I know what it's about. I'm good interesting. It's the best of the decade. But but that's okay. It's fine for the best. I'm looking for for entertainment and an escape so in terms of bank. It is not the movie expected. I liked them. More than i thought i would. Because actually tackles the politics of the nineteen thirties and forties tackles. How media has the power to dictate an election. I wonder unfathomable very very very timely. It was surprisingly timely but it also it very. It's very much for in niche audience. I'm gonna. I'm gonna. I'm gonna love it. Jenny is going to like it. I think because of tackles old hollywood very very well. I don't know like i. I can tell you from the jump. Ryan will hate it really. Yeah like if we're gonna if if we watch to discuss it on here i think ryan will dislike. I just don't think it would. It would be his cup of tea leo. I think you would actually dig it. Because of what they're tackling. I'm trying not to give too much away because it's just something you guys show. I don't think ryan gives two shits about citizen kane. There you go so you need to watch it i ryan. That's your homework. That's your next homework this week. So yeah mink pretty much covers the making of citizen kane and pretty much how everyone was. There was so much work may to have the movie nappy released. But what i will. I can really praise right now. Is the technical feat of making this film. Feel like it's it is the best movie. Best contemporary film that tries to recapture the nineteen thirties and forties in terms of the golden age of hollywood. The sound design. They made you feel like you're watching one of the early talkies. It's not it's very. It's not so much polish down design. It feels like you're watching. It happened one night or the thirty nine steps old hitchcock or something along those lines. It feels like you're watching old. Billy wilder something like that. That would fincher. Does i mean it is a technical feat. Gary oldman is my favorite performance of the year. And he is incredible if he didn't win the oscar. Two years ago. I think it was over. It would be over. He is that good. I don't know if it wins. Best picture because it's very it's too but it is a hollywood movie. So who knows but i think director that i think is gonna win director. I think pitcher and amanda siegfried is really solid and i think she could win supporting actors and then the last thing that i wanted to mention was the i haven't seen eh marinas black bottom. The first reactions reviews released last night. And i had Leo on the podcasts. On this podcast. I don't really talk about oscar predictions anymore. But i've had chadwick boseman in my number one for about a month already and they're seeing it's his best performance or just saying a lot to ask incredible. Yep they say he is commands screen the entire time and if he wins he would only be third posthumous acting when in the history of the oscars. The other one is Peter finch and network and then he ledger in the dark knight so we shall see what happens with that are eighty so before we get to our musicals. I do have ten. Little taglines for you. That i felt would be fun. And they are all musicals ou ryan. Are you ready now. Full disclosure before anything. David gave so much pressure to ryan. Knowing these tagline say. I'm very anxious to see whether or not right against it. This is my heart found. I'm starting with the one. That i fully expect you to get ryan. Here we go. Here's to the fools who dream green. What did you say ryan dreamgirls. I don't know ryan you are a disgrace baggy tag jennifer movie. La la land. Okay cool. I had a feeling of the right now. He talks about this movie new. It's one of the one of the best songs in the movie and they talk about that. Right disappoint me. Jennifer best picture winner winner of ten academy awards. Y no it's actually can't just be any movie because it's a musical ten oscars to disgraceful performances to start this game and i'm tagging leo and because now the only thing i could be congratulated west. Side story alatha tagline tagline. Dave know that there was more. But i picked this one exactly so you know it's not fair. I'm not gonna dame every single one i pick the best one leo. What a glorious feeling really glorious ways What movies it so cagney. Excessively singing in the rain yeah ryan. There's no way you're getting this ryan but let's give it a shot. Every man wanted her her but one man dared to love her. Yeah you're right. there's no getting this one. I think jenny will may get this sound very familiar. Do you want a hint. Yeah as a very popular slogan that came when the movie came out i was thinking along route. Yes it is leo. The impossible dream comes true dream. come true. Ends of musical tagline when you know the movie this is actually the tagline. They have like they have like five or six. I didn't but i don't think this actually fits with the movie. But because it kind of sense. willy wonka. Jen les ms. No ryan any guesses. The greatest showman. The greatest showman jen. never forget. Never forgive never forget. Never forgive you. i don't know next. No sweeny todd. We weren't going to give it to anyone. No not this boy meets girl girl. Unimpressed boy starts band. I think i know under this boy fan. I'll tell you. I think that is doing better on being tagged in that she is actually ted. Got what is it very good. I can't do it. When the pressure's on ryan based on a true fantasy the wizard of oz incorrect jennifer based on a true fantasy. Sure okay any guesses. Leo this this could also be. Yeah actually could. I gotta of the rocket men her last to rise gonna get mad that i didn't give him this one. Leo life is a cabaret. Really industry. And zombie cavalry. There you go and gend an american musical on american well. I'm very in paris really. Actually i guess that is incorrect musical. I don't know that could be story too. I'm like that right incorrect. Ryan any guesses hamilton. I guess remember wh-. I don't equate this. It's not gonna be on my list. Count for me. it's okay. Alrighty so let's get into our musical we're going to actually kick it off with our worst musical's now i will ask before we start. How did you guys do with these less. Was it easy for you guys. Then so i think Coming up with my favorite musicals was really easy. Like i was just writing it out clicking and then moving them in their places i think i had a harder time for worst in a way because i feel like for the ones that are my worthless. I kind of expected like. I knew these were bad or i would go into them knowing. They'd be bad except for one where i was like. I love the show. Because i saw this show live on broadway so and the movie didn't completely disappoint point because it has a great cast but yeah so this one was a little harder to decide but then when i like really thought back okay. What about you leo. Was it easy for you Yeah it's funny. 'cause i i the number one thing i always right into making these lists like how do i want to attack so i wanna do it as what's the best musical movie like what's like well like production wise or what are my favorite which are like trash ones. That i generally enjoy Once i decided to go with my favorites economy it a little bit easier Yeah there's there's definitely some trash in here. But i still love it awesome. What about you right. Because i know you're not are you. You're not too big on musicals right actually finding because once i start doing some research in the us. All right let. Let's do our worst jen. I'll kick it off with you. What are your five worse musicals. Okay so my number. Five is rock of ages so this is the one that i was talking about. Oh i thought you said it was good. I've never seen. So the the the show on broadway amazing and i do love the music in the movie again. Also amazing there are a little cheesier parts. That adam i think it was adam shankman who directed it that chose to use sort of like. I wouldn't have put tom cruise as lead as a lead fan singer. Who is supposed to be like a bon jovi year. Like a david lee roth or something but so. That's the only part i have more of a grape with tom cruise because everyone else in the cast was pretty was really good and i really liked the movie. Select that's why this one was like worse musicals compared to all my other list but it's not quite horrible. My number four is spice world. that's a musical. it's technically musical. Because they go singing in different parts. Throughout the i mean. I don't know i considered it. I mean i've never. I've never remember bunch of music. It's their music and it's them singing in different parts of britain on their adventure. So it's not a great movie but as a spice girls fan. I love them to death and like this was life when it came out and i was ten so but it's still not good. My number three is anne from twenty fourteen. Because i because i love the original so much and i just don't think he needed to be remade and i don't think it really that different. Except maybe adding more diversity which is great. But it just didn't like i don't know i think all fell flat from the original. My number two is xanadu. A member seen with the livia newton. John so my mom loves this movie. Yeah does she so. I think it was the think. This is the eighties. Actually so it's not after greece wasn't it was. Yeah it was supposed to be like another big movie in it flopped. So it's it's a. It's a good movie to watch but it's definitely cheesy bad and it's just like okay and then my number one is from justin to kelly because you actually watched that i watched it like many years ago and it was just so bad because i that was the time where american idol was like this big thing and i had watched the first couple of seasons and then i fell off because i was like over it but i have watched this movie and first of all like i love kelly clarkson so i'm group with her. I did not really just worry any in general on the shell and then i just really like i was like i was just watching this to watch lake. Look he's nowhere to be found now so just goes to show you who so. That's my worse leo. What about you okay. So i love yeah. I think it was the similar to what jenny mentioned. I actually have Any on my list. To and i thought i was gonna be only to have it when i was worthless. It kind of became like. Maybe these aren't that bad. Maybe there's just not as good as the ones that i have higher on them So my number five is actually hairsprayed. the new one yes with travolta hairspray it just. I don't know something about it like you might. I know my sister love it. The music all the time. And i watched it a few times. Just doesn't click with. The cast is incredible. But i just doesn't click My number four. Is the whiz whiz whiz whiz so much i just again. It's like i don't wanna say that it's like this is trash is terrible. I it just doesn't connect for me. I just saw not a big fan Number three is a movie that i don't even know what's on this list. I can tell you that. It's not as bad as i always thought it was gonna be Greece to Leo my higher. Even i have to admit though this is not a terrible musical at all. It's just as it doesn't. It's not greece. The music is still catching. It is so even even though it's on this part of it it's like it's not terrible. It's just like just not as good as the other ones My number two is any two thousand fourteen. My comment copy paste which any said just did nothing. Different all right. Yeah i was like this is. There's no reason for this but my number one is a movie that not only is. It's it's funny. Because when i made my list for the best i may sure i wanna use any animated movies as musical of technically. This movie is an animated movie. It's a live action supposedly but when they took away genius when they took away my favorite song and the reason that i wanted to see this live action. It became my most hated musical of all time. The lightning very very good. Because you just you just shifted my loosely over. I didn't think of that at all. Ryan what about you. What's your five worst musicals number five. Got the singing detectives wait. You're not going to bypass that. What the hell singing as robert downey junior. Actually in he has some type of skin condition in. He's in a fantasy world where he plays. Detective seems pretty much around him. Strange i i actually sounds not that bad now as bad horrible guys. What else you got right xanadu. No not good to not hold my attention whatsoever. Nothing collect number three any Just still bland for me. Like i just didn't care at all the twenty fourteen or the original twenty fourteen. Okay i was like you're gonna break my heart now. No i mean you gotta love the glass now I love the original. And when i saw finally saw the second one it broke my heart so much i just i think i hate to but i just don't see the point in the past wrap were just using the characters best. You think. they're all see character. One is a movie. I watched us to watch and for this. Listen yeah. cats don't know how that house watching. Cnn it would probably be on my my wish. I went with the lion king. I actually had any of my number five but then lie. You just really put it into perspective on a. Yeah the lion. King is terrible. Number four is greece two. I really try. I will say. I really tried not to included. I really did try. But i really couldn't find anything worse. I really couldn't find anything worse. Oh we can find worse. She's so mad at us leo. I think. I don't think she wants to be friends with you. And husband and wife to me anymore. Number three is a movie. I don't think any of you guys have seen. But i did because i thought it was going to be an oscar player. It's called nine to dana. Day-lewis i saw your name is not good at all. I was so bummed because this is around the time when. Ddr really wasn't acting a lot like out out around the time of chicago. Now i think it was after really like way after it did get oscar. Nominations got four oscar nominations. But it's not it. A waste of dana day-lewis so that's why i made my on my list. Make it good thanksgiving and then number two and one i mean number two is cats. I need you to wash this leo when you're bored weapon. Why isn't it number one because from justin to kelly is my one. Yeah i saw it on. Dvd like in two thousand like late two thousands and it is just as bad as jenny said it is. I think it's like one of the fun parts of making. This was when i was doing some research. I realized how many musical movies i avoided so they couldn't he on my list. You did well. Because kelly is terrible. I will say like. I wouldn't recommend the reason from justin to. Kelly is my number. One is because i would actually recommend people to see cats because i don't want to be the only one that's ever seen that garbage and i just want people's opinion because it's so bad that it will end ryan can attest to this as he saw the podcast. It's shockingly bad is an gen loves cats and she has seen it. So it's very shocking. Eds has like the film version of the actual one. I liked it. I liked the music from it too. But like i don't know man. This looks too bad. And i argued with people and i said well. The music is good. I'm like well. The music was in the broadway show. I really should have have anything to do with the y. You know you like the movie or not because The movie itself is trash. But yeah that's yeah but definitely still watching So let's get into our list. So let's go honorable mention and fifteen through six. I'll kick it off I have an honorable mention. That leo will appreciate because and you can take it as a jokingly added film but if you really look at it and we will cover this movie in january it might as well be a musical rocky. Four fellas okay. So i did the math. They sing in rocky for. I know i off mainly of by musical montages rocky forced thirty five percent musical montages. The right amount. it's pretty. it's pretty crazy. But i'll jokes aside. My number by real honorable mention is the umbrellas of sherborn. It is the inspiration for a film that is on my list. But it's a it's a french musical. It's really really good. The the production is on in. That movie is is great. And we'll make this a little different than the other ones on here is that there is actually no spoken dialogue in the entire movie. The entire movie is a musical. Every word is in song. So that that differentiate from everything else on my list except Actually one other one. So my number fifteen i have. I actually did do to animated films leo. So i did. My fifteen is the lion king through our to use the code okay. My fourteen is aladdin. My thirteen is mary poppins. My twelve is rocket men. And i didn't really want to do too many new movies on the list but rochman is just so good and so original for a bio pay to go with the musical route My number eleven is an american in paris. My number ten is cabaret. My number nine is sing street. My number eight is the wizard of oz. My number seven is swing time and swing. Time is a film with. And i give you. This is all jenny here. Fred astaire and ginger rogers and it is do you think it's their best. It's one of their best. Yeah it added. I think top passer. It's so so good and my number six is the rocky horror picture. Show gen okay. So honorable mentions school of rock. Did he just put it on your worthless. Rock school of rock guys use really good. We actually did on broadway. Adaptation from the movie to the broadway was really really well done and any man. Jack black can sing. I just all the chemistry with the kids. It was great hairspray. Two thousand seven is also my honorable mention this because they do like it john travolta as the as the mom is a little cheesy but the music over all the whole story of hairspray. It's just really really great. And i really like it. And then burlesque is with share and christina aguilera and its share so like it has to be on my list. It's actually much better than you would think it would be and it's kind of one of those movies that's just like if it's on tv like definitely what like all definitely watch it. It's kind of like a feel good movie. Okay so my number fifteen willie wonka and the chocolate factory. My number fourteen greece to. Wow wow yeah of course higher but okay it would. Even i have others that i love. It's not that i don't i. Love grease two. I will not die for greece to will die with love forever for a good. But i'm a realist here. So my my number thirteen is the greatest showman because it's really it was really really good and nothing has been done as of late in that aspect of being so and hugh jackman is. I know i know law. Land dave i know you just look at me but i just think the whole message of the movie is like so great and i love the fact that like. It's a movie for anyone. Not just kids but especially kids like kids hearing the music and hearing and the drea like just so good my number twelve. His mama mia. I never got to see the psalm broadway. Well the sequels good. But it's not the first one. So i'm i'm bummed. That never got on broadway. But i love the movie. I think it's great my own number eleven across the universe. This is very much a hit or miss for some people. Some people may have this on the worst list. I actually don't think it's bad because the music all the beatles music is like it's iconic. it's good. I think they did a really good job. I think. And we're going back to choreography. Julie taymor is a prolific choreographer dancer like she directed it i think she did a great job with putting on her vision for what they were doing with the sixties and getting everyone and the story the character of the music were in the story like it was just really well done. I think my number ten is chicago chicago. Which i actually love the movie a little bit more than the broadway show only because the movie had all this pizazz and the broadway show is like no color no pizzazz no nothing and it was just sort of like i saw it after the movie so it more of a shock so i really loved the movie and i think they did a terrific job number nine street. My number which is a great movie. Feel good coming of age. My number not. My number eight is greece. I grew up with it. Love it iconic music number. Seven is anne the original because it's so good has such a great Albert finney bernadette peters. Tim curry Carol burnett as miss hannigan like it's so great and my number. Six is swing time with fred astaire ginger rogers funny because i thought i was gonna be the only ones to have one of the ones that you mentioned in there and i was super excited because i'm like oh shoot that's awesome. She likes to awesome. i So my number honorable mentions are sweeney. Todd and jesus christ superstar just because i remember i. I remember watching quite superstar when i was like in sixth grade. Kokin have another one religious kind of movie with him. I think but my number fifteen is chicago number fifteen is little shop of horrors. My number fourteen rock of ages and pretty much exactly. What jenny said like this is one of the ones that most people have on their worst lists but the library of music. That's hit on this and let me run. I would love to watch this live of but yeah the music industry any do you own it. A rock of ages. I think like. I'm telling it like the broadway show was great. I actually forgot who i saw. Who was in the lead for the singer for the rock star. But i think he's actually was that constantine guy from american idol the only black hair. I think that's when he was there for the run. He has a look and he was good in it So i mean. I know why they tom cruise big name that alec baldwin like everybody had a really great cast mary. J. blige was in an juliana huff. Diego rivera so no diego. Panetta was yeah. Yeah and so really. Really good so definitely. When it's going to come back on broadway. I'm sure and you again. It's like if it's on. The music alone is enough to get me to watch it on my list. My number thirteen and don't shoot because the slow is a rocky horror picture. Show it's fine. It's at least it's on the list. My number twelve is mary poppins. Yes love it. My number eleven is the greatest chauvin that doesn't have greatest show me it is really solid. It's grown it's grown on me a lot. Since i first came out on right game so then my number ten is a cross the universe and i i was really thinking i be the only one to have it but to rock of ages. Music is so good and like like choreography of how it's played into the narrative. Like i even have it on my notes. My favorite song of it is i want you. She's so heavy and like the way that's told in the movie with the manufacturing factory of how they're making soldiers like it's crazy awesome visually My number nine is the sound of music. My number eight is rent. Oh nice yeah And it's funny with rent. I actually I knew all the songs of it pretty much from when i was younger but i had never seen the actual movie for it until doing research for this episode. I like and it was like it was super. It was kind of like how jenny mentioned earlier. How she finally watched Of i think Chicago like that. It was like i. I knew so much of it already. I'm like oh now. I know the story now makes sense. My number seven is the wizard of oz. Nice am i number. Six is jersey. Boys nice. I haven't seen that since it first came out but i love meeting love. Love the broadway show like the movie. I thought it was a good lake. They did a good job with lake. Adapting it To the screen and the music is just as i mean all right ryan. What do you got all right. number fit. Excuse me sorry number. Fifteen mama mia I really enjoy the ac for that one Fourteen and star is born number thirteen beauty and beast. The animated number twelve sounds of music number eleven lion. King animated scott not. I don't know if you ryan sometimes you shy theater for lion. King live action number. Ten west side story sell more time. They low sell low number. Nine la la land was ryan talk about low right all right go ahead. Smiler's trust me number eight. Mary poppins. I don't even mary poppins number seven. Here we go. this is gone member. I tied off the line up here. It is south park bigger longer. I cut god. Wow technically technically yes. There are musical numbers in okay amount in there. Oh my god. What's your favorite song. Cows mom dead. That's definitely my favorite song to do. You know what. That's long journey now ryan. Do you know the song that bitch. Biggest bitch. However till i in fact actually ringtone and number six aladdin a original animated all right. Jenny gone back number five. Five three two. Yeah the rocky horror picture. Show is my number five. Cool my four on the town. Oh yeah forgot to paul on the town. That's so great and then gene comes up again. My number three singing in the rain and my number two is rent. Wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute hold off. Hold a hold of flat. I think you missed a movie in your fifteen when you mean. I think you missed one. He forgot to add one. What i think lee already knows what it is. I don't i d. I ve out. You don't have lala land on your list. Don't accidentally forgot to put it in the first place. Who is my honorable mention being ryan. Do you know get divorce lawyer. You're never gonna leave me babe back my number three singing in the rain. My number two is rent rent. I actually saw. I can't believe you. Rodway and i saw that first and then when i saw the movie i love that they had done the original cast from the beginning Which i had never. I wasn't around for that original cast but i really loved it. I love musicals that are very down to earth in very realistic Another one that. I actually would love to see as a film. Musical would be american idiot. I saw that on broadway green green bay and it was so good and it was very rent. Ask and so i would love to see them on the big screen to ernie. I guess i'll take it from here. number five is willie walk in the chocolate factory. I think we won't. Because i think outside of grandpa joe and being the general human being willy wonka and the chocolate factory is perfect and anyone. That doesn't think grandpa. Joe is it degenerative. Human being must be a terrible person. Themselves number four is hamilton. Because i think it's a movie because it is. I think it is a movie. And it's the best broadway show i've ever been to. I know jenny probably differs for me. But i think it's the best broadway show i've ever been to number three is west side story the reason it's lower than the other two because it took me three times for me to like it now like two times with the two it was to you watched it like halfheartedly. Once like yes and then we went to the movies. We saw the second time on the big screen. And that's where you liked it. I can't wait for the remake is probably going to be better than this. my number. Two is la la land you guys feel about aloe and so nothing. I didn't even know you watched it. I had leo. What's your five through to kinda misspoke. My number six is actually wizard of oz notch. My number five is jersey boys. My number four is west side story and for for like people that know me And grew up with me like When i was in fifth grade i actually performed The i wanna live in america. So let's story was ingrained into my childhood Loved it so much I optimistic about the remains but Yeah just because people that are attached to it. But i just hope they don't ruin it. My number three technically is gonna be a musical that was filmed for as a movie so hamilton. Yeah it i remember distinctly. What happened was when before it came out the studio made a big deal about how they filmed it. May this explicitly said hey you have to count it as a movie because this is what we did to make sure that it counters the movie so like all right yeah and honestly just like just hearing hip hop music us to tell a narrative in that way was just revolutionary. Took the world by storm. I was never got the chance to see it on broadway So when it was premiered on disney plus it was. It was everything i thought i can only imagine rise My number two is la la land. Yeah well when. I was making this up. I from my heart. It would always be the number one is always gonna stay number one but i thought it was gonna be la la land to west side story three hamilton four but then after just kind of like going back and back and forth on it on like music i think is just. There's no weak points. Say there are some weak points on west side story that i'm not that crazy about But yeah la la land though is my is perfect it. Thank you for him. Cry you did. You almost cheered me up for the fact that i'm married someone that put greece to overload so right take it away number five. I have hamilton number. Four wizard of oz. Nice number three months christmas carol. Oh gray take on that ryan. That's great. I liked that a lot. Now they've been like the later versions have been cutting out songs. They cut out that one very depressing song between screw a girlfriend or whatever he really did always wanted to get rid of that. So i'm going have to watch the blu ray then this year because i didn't know they cut that out. Yeah number two and number two the greatest show. Nice feel every song in there like from Other side too tight rope to this is the greatest show gets me high. Okay right ryan name song is. He's going to be ring. What what is it. What's his name P.t barnum ryan's gonna dress up. His p.t barnum for halloween next next year and then wise. Was i store your number one. Because it's wonderful. No i love this. This is a lot of whitewashing. That movie is okay. Yes but it is for the time okay. So it's not like it's not like you know we know there's issues with it but no the music is fantastic. The story is great. It's heartbreaking. I think you feel their performances From richard beamer from natalie would ask you a question. What else is richard bay more in twin peaks anyway. So you feel their performances. Rita moreno is fantastic and well deserved to get the oscar That she did in an all her got and the choreography is not like anything. You've really see often enough. I think. I think there's a craft in the talent that comes from choreographing. These big epic pictures and west side story is from an age where that's really done. And so like. I'll give credit to lala land where you have. Where he damian chazelle like crafted this like old worldly feel of having all of these performances and having all the dancers like put their stuff together. Because that's all a tribute to what was in the past and the achievements that they made But yeah west. Side story is one of my favorite movies. Ever one of my favorite. My favorite musical. And i think i did see it on broadway and it was good but i don't know i love the movie question. Do you think. And i'm not excited about the remake. Do you think you don't need to touch it. do you think that Not only should win the oscar. No i don't think. I was just curious because i she was good but i don't think there was anything really like. I don't know it broke my heart. Rita moreno broke my heart more in it like her performance cool. Yeah i don't know no. I don't think so for me so my number one is singing in the rain. I don't think anything will ever top singing in the rain. I think the fact that it is a movie. Essentially to me by hollywood and about transition of the talk of the silent films talkies. And i just love that backdrop of singing in the rain plus it has one of my favorite musical numbers in a musical of all time. And that is the i always. What is his name. I donald o'connor donald connors make them laugh. Make them laugh. 'cause that seen nearly killed him. He had to be hospitalized after because of everything that he does in practice that they went yesterday and just gene kelly's perfectionist and this is his. That's another even though american will best picture. I think this is his masterpiece. Everything he's done here was from the final number that he has to the Good morning with on my list and it's great and there's choreography in there but it's not to the scale of singing in the rain. I think it inspired so many musicals And i and this is one of the ones that you know falls in line. Similar to la la land number two like one of those that just was despite the academy. Didn't win best picture when it should have everything even when everything else but still yes. Yes seeing the rain if you guys. I haven't seen it you know. Listeners are younger and really want something to start with from the fifties. I think seeing the rain is the way to go and then west side story So yeah that's my number one leo. What number one My number wind. We should come as no surprise to anyone on what so ever film. I found a way to marvel my number one No at a fairly certain. I think if i'm if i'm if i'm counting correctly ryan and i have the same number one It's greece greece. Oh yeah forgot about greece. Greece's been like and it's funny. Because i feel like jenny's mom and my mom possibly were best friends in some in some way. 'cause like i grew up with this movie on countless amount of time. So the portland like it's one of my favorites. I know all the songs There's just something about the music is very catchy. The acting good Travolta at this peak right opposed to become something amazing after the same thing with john which i feel like that was a missed opportunity there But yet greece is just It's it's still it's still hits. All new still I think before the world ended. I went to like this live. rooftop showing where everyone got their headphones on. And you can sing along to it and it was hacked. They had like main cocktails for like certain things of the movie. It still has a huge following for it Greece's my absolute number. One can ask you some questions about the logic of the film. You mean no. There is no real logic. The same question goes to ryan. Okay number one. Yeah it's definitely rise number one. How do you knew got moves got feeling so mike my question to you both is i have a few actually. So i- rewatch greece to see if it crack. Because i promise you guys. I watched it since. I'm not really big on it. But i feel like i left this time having more questions than i did. The last the last are they dead. The sent to heaven at the end of this movie. I don't think they died the rumor that there's the one fan theory. I should say that. Sandy died on the beach in the beginning. And everything's just a pipe dream in a coma dream and that she did that and she's going into heaven right that i think it's just a camera shot going up over the hill next question. Do they graduate high school because no one ever goes to class. Yes they do except for frenchy because she goes back and greece to forty. She's like forty eighty school. She's like forty years old and high school yes. I forgot about three years later. Okay twenty something in highschool oh man. They graduated high school looking at eighteen. What how old were you when your does get a diploma at the end of the movie. Cool all right next question. Is this a good movie for female. Empowerment ardo good movies for like you know it's a good movie for line to la la land michelle pfeiffer on now. She's very Honor for most of it. Yes sandy does change. So does danny so they both cancel each other out my having. Because danny does do stuff to come and meet her where she where she's at he becomes more of a jock in tries to make an effort which is always important in a relationship and yes she does change. But it's also like the fifties so awesome discovering yourself as well so what this on greece while the movie still. Has you know we can joke around with my questions or whatever. The music is our banners like. There's so many good songs in that movie. So all right on her cleaning playlist also so. This was a fun episode guys. We saw like the dark side of jenny like we saw dark dark. Do cooper over here with Jenny cursing storm. I had a lot of feelings this episode aggressive beginning to this music. She kinda like calm down. Nail it out. I mean leo. If you ever watch twin peace and you get to season three and you meet mr see. That's what we call them. That is jenny today. So next week. Jenny leaves jenny will no longer be on the podcast for the next few weeks and the boys are taking over as we look at our top ten and best and top five worse comic book movie moments. How many more will moments are gonna be on liles lists like we'll have to into. I'll find a way to add like third all right guys. See you next week

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S11 Ep 27: Emerald Fennell

Table Manners with Jessie Ware

53:47 min | 3 months ago

S11 Ep 27: Emerald Fennell

"Hello and welcome to take on his. I'm jessie ware. Mom's house which means only one thing. I'm to get a good meal today. How are you carry. What we having for lingerie tarkhan chicken chicken muhtar tarkhan which is almost like the recipe enough with chicken with mussa mustard credit. Fresh china china. Your daughter hates ridiculed on the podcastone. Shoot but this has got tarragon. Modern time gorgeous and it's tasting cap had a delicious meat from ginger. Pick again there was. Yeah thanks. Steve wasn't allows days which upside and then i know you don't like this i taste it. Someone's house loved it banana ice cream. Which reduced haven't done it yet. Because you do the last minute. And i think this is where you're going wrong jesse so. I put my bananas in the freezer last night. And then all i do is with the map in the food processor and i promise you is like mr whippy ice cream. Okay so i have an issue with. Listen i've tried to the old tentative things but frozen banana as ice cream. i'll give it to my kids. Yeah but i'm ready to you. Wrote me a habit person now. There's a reason why we're doing kind of less of you shuker. Well no but we used to have an pregnant pregnant person here who said please no sugar. Otherwise on the most high sugar natural sugar. Anything that grows on a tree is not true darling. A k. is not processed. It's only tree today. thank you. Think chimpanzees among kizzie bananas right. Because it's natural darling anything daniel. The osteopath told the anything. That's not sure has to be confu body. Okay co i'm really together. We just did that a lesson anyway. Will your always on your gluten free in whatever enough about me. So who've we got on today right this woman is. I've loved her from the first time i saw her as pat. See on. Call the midwife. 'cause i'm a cool midwife devotee and she was fabulous scott the best voice. I think i've ever heard which probably is what qualified her for camilla. She was very good as camilla parker bowles and the crowd but clearly she so multi talented. I watched a promising young woman. Last night She wrote and directed and it was. The most stunning film just phenomenal phenomenal mo. She's here ocean outside. Let's schinder cab on prego getting out. Come let's go then a meter. Fob emerald the now coming upon table manners. You've come in as i expect you to with the most beautiful brilliant energy god desk sly yeah radio. Thank you for being here. Thank you. we're gonna we're gonna race through this for about an hour. And i know that we go and you've got to really do starving. I'm always starving. You can we'll give you in twenty minutes. Shout it smells delicious. Is it really want good. I'm sitting taken. Oh very yes sounds delicious. I was just. I was just You feel equal with respect. Thought i got to wait for the ball. And i was very excited but actually targeted chickens has even at all was my. I feel like it was a great induction tool the night. For her dominance. I'm telling you whip it with us. Back ball spa. But we'll maybe i'll have one a little bit closer to tight to bring it on. Yeah so how are you. How is life poses. The most mental has this movement year of your life and baby too. Yeah i think so. I mean like i feel like the last three years have been a sort of like people say whirlwind but he really know how to describe it. Because i feel like. I've been just not living off especially 'cause covert like living my normal life with my husband we've been together forever you know at home but all this other stuff you know. The works staffers orders. Been going mad all around it. So yeah i feel like after this baby which do a couple of weeks. I'm going to take a couple of months off. Which i haven't i didn't do for the last one and it's been just i'm just I can feel it's that thing. I was trying to explain it. Someone is a bit like when even on a really long car journey. And you've needed the loo the whole time. But you've held it in and then you can see your front door and your owner. It's happening it's not lawson moment and so i think i'm i'm a couple of weeks away and then i can just fill my whole but of the like a sort of staggering kind of the desert with of sunburn. So you'll remember hassles at the moment so we're in was that my mom's always goes off so in rehearsals cinderella cinderella the longest. Wait you've ever had four cinderella's post to come out the cinderella musical supposed come out my god probably like a year ago. At least i can't remember because we've changed it so much now. It's been like i just everyone the thing is and it's the same for you and your industry like any live entertainment but live there an mtv comedy all that stuff like saucer and it's and for so many people as well. They fall between two stools like freelance or employed. And so they weren't they weren't able to get any help or it's just yeah and it's and it's been it's just it's just it's just been kind of dispiriting of course for everyone. Everyone struggled ready body. Of course so. Nobody's in a different boats. But i think it has been the last few weeks have been quite tough because yeah because you just see so many other sports and things being a everyone not able to social distance and stuff like that and then and that's fair of course but and you want to be safe but it's really tough when it feels like. There's there's different rules for different today. I think the rationale seems to be. If it's outside it seems to be okay but if it's in indoors seems not to be. Among we spoke to hundred he said is all about ventilation. He spent fortunes on the theater event. And also everyone's masked everyone facing forward. Nobody's there lots and lots of safety. I mean of course like we're in a pandemic. So i do feel like i'm naturally career law abiding said like whatever i'm told to do. I will just do it. That's the rules are clear time. Yes i suppose been this clear. They should be yeah. It's just like it's just. It's just really complicated isn't it. And i just i. But i do feel really bad. Every time it gets moved we have to tell people that tickets and don't stop stuff. It's like so how open no so we start previews on friday this friday and then we open. Well you still half full. So it'll be it'll be at fifty percent of the next few weeks and then hopefully if it does open up on july nineteenth we will be opening a folk patchy. But you know i. But i don't i i i've become quite because also with my promising woman that was supposed april of the cova cinemas everywhere simultaneously and so and then obviously everything changed and so i kind of got used to that thing if everything getting pushed and pushed obviously film as much easier much much easier to kind of contain promising woman is one of the best films i've seen in so long. I watched it yesterday for anybody who hasn't seen the film. Can you just kind of really hard to explain the quickly in a nutshell. Yeah because i spent a year trying to say it in a nutshell. And i'm always the worst. That base is just film is called promising. A woman got wonderful carey mulligan in it and it is about a woman who goes tonight cups and balls and pretends to be incredibly drunk and see if anyone approaches her and takes a home and the repercussions and the kind of yeah and then the fallout of what happens when they do so disappointed when the boyfriend was also the most dreamy. Lovely perfect kind of person does like extra extra. Pass what you did with a lot of the guys in sets from the first opening scene. Welcome him with open arms and that was that was an intention. Wasn't it the these familiar. Warm funny on the menu would actually want to sleep with that. All of the whole thing about for me it was like it's endemic the stuff in this film. There's nothing in this film. That wasn't in a comedy film like to be laughed at like five years ago. Big light comedy tv series would have jokes about like drunk taking drunk alzheimer. Yeah with the hangover so like that just but even more like mainstream kind of stuff when you look back at sort of editor to look very far back and so it was really important for me to be like okay. Well what we're talking about here is something that feels really a key because it's very close to home and it is you know it is a lot of men and boys and and women who kind of a cover up for it also apologize for it. It's your friends runs. Its people at parties. Etes your friends boyfriends. It's people you're at school with who really nice and you just like you. It was not treated seriously. If something happened to a girl at a party it was not. It was a whoopsie that they were expected to make a joke. Cov otherwise it was kind of on them an emerald. You are pregnant. You are doing syndrome east go. You're going to russell's now. I want to know how you are. Fueling this pregnancy and how has a pregnancy. And all you eating. Well what are you enjoying so badly. Don't understand the thing is the worst thing that happened with my first pregnancy. Was i had a very wonderful and very of like chilled doctor and she was like the great thing is is he can eat anything. The baby will just take the nutrients away from you so you get and so. I was kind of diet like sonic milkshakes. I was like naming. I four milkshakes. The today by the end yeah. Now i'm really. I'm pretty bad. I'm bad at that stuff. Because for me i mean food at the best of times just so one and you as a woman. I still think well me. There's always quite complicated relationship with the kind of food do you want to eat. I cake and ice cream and burgers and so being pregnant is sort of slightly naughty gas ashes. Jail free cards. So so yes. So i've just been i mean and also because so busy it's like it's delivery on it's like don't look the delivery money that has been in the cooking in your house. The moment my husband is completely. What does your husband day. he works and advertising. Yeah says she doesn't have much time then well but we're lucky we have helped with without toddler. Lovely ninety and this. I mean weekends and stuff. We try and cook and i love cooking. I just have completely lapsed. I just it's just at the end of the day. I just con. I mean i just. I'm just like cruel cruel and bed. Basically and just eat. Whatever it's am what was growing up. Who was around the dinner table and he was doing the cooking. What were you eating so growing up. It was my mom and dad ma. My sister coco. My youngest coco. And mom i think moms probably one of those seventy s goals who just like. She ran away from her home in rural wales at sixteen to go to work in a closed shop on the kings road. She was like get me to wear those. Like snakeskin boots me to the rock and roll is and so and she just was like very much hurt. She always had her Cookery pass film so it was. it was just. I've thing i remember most. And i should say like my mother is wonderful kirk and she cooks a lot now but when we were little it was it was absolutely chicken. Care of amazon. S did a rea