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iPhone 11 Pro Max & Apple Watch Series 5 Unboxing

Hands-On Tech

20:03 min | 1 year ago

iPhone 11 Pro Max & Apple Watch Series 5 Unboxing

"I have a box cutter and I have a titanium blade. That's not what we're here. It's what's inside these boxes. It mattered art. I phoned eleven boxing and watch series five. He's tweet. This episode of hands on contact is brought to you by Capterra visit Capterra's free website at Capterra dot com slash hop all right you do the do the do the Apple Watch. I mean that's GonNa be. That's GonNa be very excited now. Here's the great thing is they don't need. I Don boss cutter yet. New Ones remind because it's titanium delayed wait till next week so and like how they packages. I really do think they do a nice job. I didn't think I still don't need that box cutter. I forgot wow look to that so nice. Oh lady jobs in Johnny. I've worked for months getting the boxes his right because they said it's like a theatre opening and it really isn't it. It's like a theatre opening. This is your first experience of the new product they wanted to be it beautiful and elegant so this is the first change which is the band doesn't come with the watch separately comes outside and that way you can use apple's online studio two or you can do it in the store to actually order the band separately so. I'll just give you a quick peek of what my band looks like. Oh yes. It's nice and we're pretty pretty oh I can look for look at that. Hook and loop right there that or industry or an interesting like cream color around the outside. Is that what you thought you were. I can not be honest about that but I do like the bill all right who cares about that. That's just a ban. This is the watch. This is what matters yes. I have to say they really others have tried to capitol cat copy apples on boxing experience with nobody's better including the airtight boxes which are ugh now. This is There's the watch watch this charge normal charge disappointing charger. That's all you need. I guess they talk a little charging puck. I got the edition which will have a slightly nicer swayed. Charging puck isn't swayed interesting. We'll see because it used to be stainless steel well. It's got the same puck but then surrounded by a collar of swayed. Oh I've always I've always said I love a nice swayed caller. You've got one with your apple. Watch and then there's a watching say so. This is one thing that is different because in the past they've had a band on it so the watch was sitting on. He always watches sometimes do look it's got a little altar swayed now. There's my sleep. I WanNa compare the digital crowns here. Okay that's important in the past. They've made them different so that people would look at subtly say. Oh yes series Scott series and all its cellular. I don't think you'll be able to not really any different. Is it slightly bigger man. It looks like it might be in fact. It looks like it might be slightly thicker. I have not looked at the all look at her just just like the other one. It looks just like my current Apple Watch. Let's see their little yeah. My skin cells all over there. That's Yummy so this is the always on watch. That's GonNa be the best feature this this new Ot L. P. screen. Oh let me do that. Yes so let's let's pop this bad boy into powered on so the way that I here's a little the protest determines how the watchmen is supposed to go on is by looking at the little tag on the back so you can see it says forty four millimeter and you want that to be facing up on the back of the watch so I slide them through the exactly the opposite way I do oh well. You're wrong but it's okay. How do you know because if you think about it when the watches. Nobody sees that no no but that's that's why I do at that when you see it. I want the closure to be at the time I so I can do it this this way. Yours is going to be upside. I just want what Johnny I've won. Says all know it's no big deal you know. I didn't even know they gave an indication of how it should be. That's title always put the short side on the stem side the short side on the stem cell lizzy now. You have to reach all the way I guess it doesn't really make sense especially with the hook and loop because it's so it's the sweatpants as Rene Ritchie says I've watched yeah very nice all right. We're powering powering it up and then it's going to be like hey we need to do start a process which we're not doing so that's interesting now. What I'm mostly curious about is next to you but you're not to do that right now. That's a show now. We have three different colors here because you you foolishly decided to get green phone before you are of course being not a fool of of the the elegant persuasion decided to get a well which would be more elegant go older black. Oh who would depend on your elegant that is Lisa's elegant black yeah and then I'm gonNA open up mine so the one color we won't have Yvonne. Show today is white. We do our gold black white white like like white rice. It doesn't make a statement I agree. This makes a statement. It says this man has money and tastes now. What is green say that Green says. I don't know what see Green I wanNA see. Let's see what green says to you and by the way I may have money and taste but I don't buy the fifty dollar the apple teepee case I by seven dollar an Amazon. The real test will be this fit heard. Some people complaining that their Oh they're green around it so green. There are none grandmother green none more green. Oh honey honey baby now that say which one would you get that says elegant mysterious khaki. This episode of Tech is brought to you by Capterra search more than seven hundred specific categories of software capterra has over one million reviews of products from real software users so you can just everything when you need to make an informed decision checkout CAPTERRA's free website at Capterra dot com slash hot. That's CAPTERRA DOT COM slash hot C. A. P. Dt E. R. R. A. dot com slash hot capterra software selection simplified. Which one should I. I'm going to do mine. which is the goal yeah good? Jordan one is that does fall regarding round. They go where they stop. No one knows I'm gonNA open up the gold ones. Lisa said I could open her so we'll open both of them. Just oh look at that. Johnny lives the sound of Chirping birds now. I got five twelve gigs because I never can have enough storage especially with his kid new camera. I feel like I'll be taking a lot of pictures a lot of videos. Don't you think uh-huh oh especially videos and multi cam shots of of whatever look at that Matt Finish initially the back at that camera that is jewel jump. Oh my God look at the outside. The trade is a surgical aw aluminum surgical stainless steel steel yeah just beautiful. They you know they really didn't make objects of desire. So that's gold. We'll save the best for last save the Green for us and let everybody decide which colors the best the Poles are now open at twitter dot com slash twit now. I think the black which is really more of a gray is quite pretty. Hold on. I think that's lovely. You liked lovely. It doesn't say much. No that is the white rice well. What do that isn't white. Rice is by the way we point out. This is the chargers they give you a seventeen. What charges to that silly little donal you could still? I use it even better charger but this is a PD. He's got USB I think it's pretty great charter so that's really important to know too because you get the cable. That's also a USB to lightning having that you can use with your other devices for faster trains used to recommend people go out and buy this you know even though because it didn't come with your iphone go Latin by the chargers because it'll charge faster with with USB so there you go that's a USB cable USB charger and of course they don't include the Dongo anymore for the headphones. They give you lightning headphones and that's it. That's that probably most people are going to use just wireless right. Is that the idea at least all right so now that I've taken leases apart. Let me put it back together pretend that. I didn't open up her precious issues. Are you GONNA try to slip your case. It open mind. I think you should do well. Should I try the cases to verify that this third parties little dots over hear what's going on that sign. That's a little vent this event port. There's probably something there right right. That's my guess yeah. Let's just see if it fits chips chips. Maybe you can slide a little wrist dangle. That's that's. It's a risk. Donald holder with that is and it does seem to fit just fine buttons. You know seemed to go where they're supposed to go. I have a little cut out for this silence. Switch Apple still includes that hardware silence which I think is great because you know you can quickly determine the the mode of your phone and I'm always using that and what's Nice too is now you can lay that down. You don't worry about the bump kind of causing right pretend that this was leases now now now really doing the mix up there a. Sh- which ones you'll never know right now. I'm really curious. I really WanNa see the refrigerator avocado green you hear that music. Oh Oh sweet mystery of life found you. It's Green Light Green Green. It's green look at it catches the light right which it never will do because you're going to put in a case no case no it depends on how slick sneaky sneaky. The back is gonna live dangerously well. We'll see we'll see. I'm not a dangerous person but for green maybe so check that edge out there okay now compare compare and contrast that is beautiful. I have to say I like gold edge but yours is very Just cutler focus on your now. Let's let's show these green and gold. I think really do look nice together and I we'll say that on camera you're not getting the same can't really see it yeah. It's hard to see on kidnapping green. The other thing I see a little bit is his feels like there's some depth beneath this. It's almost three d. like the animal has been well. It's not but it feels like I think there is a little coating or something. I wonder if they just put glass and they around the apple. Logo tenant is that this is is clear clear plastic a bump it well plastic probably glass but maybe it's glass because I think they talked about. State wants to be more shatterproof than it used to be and and I think something important to note folks that this is sort of a little edge. It's not a strip down edge. It sort of bleeds into do. I put this but it's sort of like a curve. There is basically what I'm trying to say Rene Ritchie and others complain. This is still slightly off center the lighting report. I think that's insane that you care but yes you can see it's still now. Is that one. I think it's a little better than the currency yes e Yes. They moved to slightly who cares. I people care people care. Do people care people it depends on. They haven't because this is upside now now. It's the same but it's still off center. That was upset. Yeah Dez is when you flip. It was different yeah so it is exactly the same and people care people care why we now see this so now. You've got some decisions decisions. Neil Patel of the verge said that he felt this was more slick. It isn't it's it's. I think it's a matt that so you're not going to get the fingerprints that used to get on the shiny backs. This has a little matt finish kind of like the Pixel three phone. Yeah you could see that aired iphone. Oh in the word iphone. What is this. I don't know what this is anymore. You don't need to say it anymore. Everyone knows oh wait. Do you tell the difference this is. This is slick. This is bad but no no no. I feel like this is more groupie. That's only well yeah but I mean Liam. The case is what I'm telling you you think this is more slippery but it will but it resists fingerprints yeah look at that and gross so this is the decision point point. There's two decisions you have to make. You Haven't e- Sim capability so you could not. I have a semi T. Mobile Sim that I'm prepared to put in here from my old iphone but you could not put that in and call your carrier and activate this having e sent the reason I still like physical Simmons because because I like to move them around from phone to phone because as you know I deal with many funds but he's nine phone. If you're going to stick with one phone for two years we should do the the reason is that will still give you an empty. Sim Slot here. If you travel you'll be able to buy a third party. Seller rent a third party in a foreign land and have a dual sim phone so up every iphone now since last year is dual sim capable because of that so that's a that's a really good that is nice I may still do that down road if it turns out. I need to call T. Mobile. Activate this which you sometimes do then I probably will just call activate the it'll be fun to due on this day the next thing you have to decide and I still am undecided. Do I restore from back. Oh I do do a clean install now. We talked about this so I am going to do a restore and we think is going to do brand new was. Are you having to change. I'm telling you why I'm a little nervous about that. Okay when you do a restored encrypt from an encrypted backup which presumably we everybody doesn't encrypted backup all your passwords all your settings to factor everything gets restored as well as all the APPS you had on the previous phone as well as an I think for many people this is the most important part of your folder organization all of that restores especially and I backed up before today I backed up to I cloud so my settings and everything are on their however ver- I'm a little concerned because I use I use a Ubad two factor authentication show on last pass on Google on twitter so and this doesn't support. I don't have an rfid you becky. I have a types a USB key so this doesn't support that so so I'm going to have a little conundrum would probably be better to restore than I think I won't have to reauthenticate. We'll have to reauthenticate to protest this if I do that. I'm not ahead I we should install. That's that's actually I don't know network. Yeah puzzle wrapped in a `nigma wrapped in districts and with a little bit of Gravy gravy now. Should we label the finishes here yes here we go this is this is what it it looks like when you have three beautiful. One of these things is not like the other. I mean but do notice by the way this is. The one plus seven pro have similar now. Everything is all do y'all and you see. I like gold. I cannot lie. Here's the the actual and likes big. Gold cannot lie. I cannot lie. What do you think about that camera above it is certainly it's a stove top. It's a statement it is a statement is a stoked talk. It's a rocket launcher opening statement. you know what it says to me what there's a damn good camera in there so that's the boxing. I think we've got a lot more to talk about with the iphones we'll do another hot and of course we'll talk about this on is today as we set them up review them one note to remember is that if you get the iphone as we did today on the twentieth it will come with. Iowa's three point. Oh there are some significant bugs including some security issues news with Iowa's three point. Oh thirteen point. Oh Yeah see three every time thirteen. Thank you for correcting me. Apple has pushed up the release of thirteen point one to the twenty any fourth next Tuesday. It wasn't going to be till I think the thirtieth avenue later so that's a sign. That apple really wants to get three point. One thirteen eighteen point one on these phones. If you've got an existing iphone I think it would be smart not to update to thirteen point. Oh but wait till Tuesday. Get Thirteen point one. These phones will come with thirteen point. Oh so you're GONNA WANNA make sure on Tuesday you do that update as soon as possible and in the meanwhile don't leave your phone lying around because there is that screen unlock walk hack. I suspect there's more than just that because that's a minor I haven't heard actually yeah it's possible to with the locked screen use. Siri and actually he's facetime to get into the contacts get contacted. Oh wow the phone is locked so that apple has patched and thirteen point one it. It's my guess I sit. There are other issues because of apple pushing this thirteen one up a week. I have a feeling there's some other issues must be so. Let's thirteen point. One has a lot of fun features thirteen point yeah and a number of reviewers complained about the bugs a thirteen point zero. We've been using and point out for a while with problems but there are apparently so a lot of people. you know want to wait if you've got an existing IOS device if you don't then now would be the time to debut the time to get up to date so there you go iphone. These are both eleven pro Mac Naxos and had a new series five much. She's a beauty lovely. You Watch I would even say watching are hot on boxing of the new iphone. Keep up with all the hottest news and gadgets visit twit dot T._v. 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RIP Macbook 12", Zoom runs afoul of Apple, and more

AppleInsider Podcast

31:48 min | 1 year ago

RIP Macbook 12", Zoom runs afoul of Apple, and more

"You're listening to the Apple. Insider podcast welcome to the apple insider podcast. I'm victor joining me is Wolford. Hey Wolford okay especially because enough. I never never could be remembered when it left the room so at a syllable in common is fine but listen rather than the whole name thing. Could we be talking about that other name. That's changed the way that we have now finally lost thirteen each but with function keys automous clumsily named products ever replaced it with thirteen inch macbook which such bar and attracting also clumsily named yes the thirteen inch macbook pro with <hes> function keys as it's called or sometimes referred to as the Mac Book Escape Oh yes I'd forgotten that yes right. It's got a real escape Keats the Mac Book Escape and also escapes you from the nightmare of having to use touch I._D.. For people who are not fans sense of touch I._D.. Now there's there's this bubble. There's this this insular community believes that the touch I._D.. Is Not useful to anyone. I think you probably mean the touch bar. 'cause if you mean took choice yeah we're GonNa love to do you love it on your Mac. Though do you use it a lot on your Mac a Mac mini so yes so you don't use it at all therefore no touch I._D.. Is is great and touch I._D.. On phones was good. Get in touch I._D.. On <hes> on Mac books was similarly useful logging in and for apple pay for the occasions where you have a site breathe can actually pay with apple pay such Cape. Yes you from from Web. Yeah I mean I could just be a fluke of which sites I happen to us but I see it <hes> but so it was very useful for that but you're saying who needs it. Yes yeah well. I'm saying that that the touch bar some people love it. Some people don't many people who are very vocal do not some people. They're the you know. It's it's. There's always people that you haven't talked to that. Do make use of thing and are quiet about it because it's just there and they figure they're using it right yeah. I've I happened to notice a friend using it a lot and he had no idea that anybody wouldn't say where would you talked about it yeah exactly <music> but that is now gone away. If you needed real function keys by last year's model Oh macbook Air Yeah Yeah you could buy a Mac book air and the thirteen inch macbook here is a pretty competent machine although there is some question about its performance under single core because it's a one point four gigahertz processor. I've just asked you recovers. I've just written a comparison between the air and they probably the thirteen teenage models F H and on paper Mac book pro wins everywhere but the ass a Mutt going for it you know <hes> well. The air has a lot going forward especially in terms of size and weight now the macbook especially the thirteen inch is no slouch in terms of weight but if you're a fan of the twelve inch Mac book which is now gone from the lineup that <hes> you would be looking at the air probably yeah I'm. I really miss my Brooke Army. I haven't got one. I didn't get one. It was the machine I was saving up together. I had to get a mini were purposes but when I lusted after was a Matt Burke and friends have them. I've used them gorgeous gone away. Yeah I'm telling you I used to run into people in airports using them and I asked them what they thought Oh. This is my only machine. I love it. It's fantastic and you know they were buying them for all their employees and if if all you're doing browsing and office and stuff like that then you're a great but if you were trying to do more significant things you might run into trouble you might benefit from a an run into trouble is probably wrongly phrasing you might benefit from a more powerful machines a good way of thinking of it I can tell you the friend was writing a book in Microsoft Word on it and she sent the book to heredity does working on P._C.'s he or shared which made some changes sent sit back and once she'd got it back the mack book was really struggling with it and but I play Microsoft for whatever that's an office problem yes but you're saying it's good for using office and there was a case where it wasn't so I'm never going to say it was a perfect machine but what he did was great. You know the reason why I never got one was because I was afraid that it would be underpowered for my needs and I say that knowing that I bring fifteen inch macbook pros to their knees as well you know I am. I'm pretty punishing on these things but I do hope that we see its return in future years. My thought is that if the arm-powered Mac book comes to be if. If we get a series processors for Max that it may be possible to have that form factor comeback I have actually genuinely crossing my fingers as you say that. Isn't that amazing that I care that much about a machine. I'm GONNA uncrossed the fingers and be more sensible but I still yeah crossover we we talk about security vulnerabilities from time to time on this show and there is a video conferencing software. There's video conferencing software called Zoom which is very popular and zoom is popular because it does a number of things really well. They make it super easy to set up a video. Call whether you're you're on mobile or or on a computer they make it super easy to get the video part going and they do transcription of the audio after the fact why don't get the famous a horrible but coming corporations love it users love it. Everyone loves it. Yeah you just building up to an even bigger button now here. Okay give give it to me. I know often I've never used it. I take it from racing this problem as a K.. Well so safari on Mac required an extra click through to launch the zoom application application to establish the call and zoom decided that this was bad for their users okay. Why would safari do such a thing that would possibly do that for their users? Well Safari was doing this by by throwing up an and interact an editor dialog box has a website attempts to launch an outside application and they do this for security right because you don't want websites randomly launching applications that could be nefarious that could be really bad right. Okay makes sense. We'll zoom prides themselves on a streamline user interface one click to join video meetings so they developed work around. Do you know what the work around was kind of Achy imagine how you you but okay. How did they do it? As a part of their application they created a locally running web server. Oh okay well so they use web kits in their own APP that they they make their well. Well no not web quick Kit web browser. That's a client Apache or or in Jenex or or something like that is the server the thing that actually serves up web pages okay okay so they put a local Web web server on the host machine that is remaining active even when zoom is uninstalled and can actually reinstall the client APP without User Interaction and their local Web server grants webcam access so with zoom what the deal was was that they were running a local web server for the sole purpose of basically clicking okay to allow safari to open another application namely zoom and then auto launch launch your camera for that which defeats the point of the security of making you use click yes now initially like I said zooms response was to say that they didn't do anything wrong. They said said this is a work around to a change reduced. His twelve requires a user to confirm. They want to start the client prior to joining every meeting. The local web server enables users to avoid this extra click before joining every meeting. We feel zoom feels that this is a legitimate solution to a poor user experience this problem enabling our users to faster one click join meetings so this was zoom saying we think we're fixing safaris problem that the security things a bad idea and we're not going to change it that position did not last very long aw because zoom issued an update this morning and the update this morning has released notes that say first of all removed local web server were discontinuing the use of the local Webster Veron Mac devices following the update. The local webster will be completely removed from zoom installation and they've added an option to uninstall zoom zoom users can now install zoom desktop application and all of its components through the settings menu great that should really underwrite well. It goes a little bit further than that because just after that happened apple pushed on a call the nuclear option which is that apple released a silent update for Mac users users removing the vulnerable component soon so apple told tech crunch that the update which is released removes the Hidden Web Server which zoom quietly installed on user smacks doesn't require any interaction apple automatically deploys it unrooted automatically so first of all zoom said they weren't GonNa do it. Then zoom would ahead in acquiesced and created a patch that fixed the problem and then apple considered this basically malware because it is breaking security wiped it out for everyone already. That's some huge sweeping actions taking place in the space of about a day the the upshot here is that I think apple. Should get points for being aware and maintaining security responding so quickly. I think zoom should be rightly humiliated for having their initial position. Do we think we're doing the right thing. We're trying to come work around in safari that they think is breaking experience. I mean I understand wanting to have a one click video conferencing solution at the same time. There's a completely valid reason why don't let local Web server applications run one. Click okay two things without the user having action there and well. It's good that zoom wrap this up. That apple wrapped it up for them as well. It's it's leads me to worry about what else could be out there fire or what other applications could be doing things that they think are in our favor but our impact not so. I think the upshot we have to take away from this is to be careful what software we install and to continually look for security audits for it. which is the big stick responsibility in two thousand nineteen but it's sort of where we've arrived at that is if you if you go ahead and do this it if you zoom it all it can remotely automatically activate AMAC's Webcam and connects to a meeting without user consent and you feel that's back? Do you want your Webcam remotely activated activated. I don't really fancy seeing <hes> people's seem we pick my nose in the middle of some big conference that I've never heard of frankly. I've never heard of it. Yeah Nas make a splash. Okay seems quite obviously Kurt. I'm yet did it when safari throws up security and says don't do this specifically because this is a bad idea working around it might not be advisable now. This is not justice safari problem necessarily although that's what the rams can faded for if you have zoom on under Mac and you use chrome or fire Fox you could still be vulnerable. Basically you have to go ahead ED and in Zoom on check check a box labeled turn off my video and joining a meeting in order to avoid having your Webcam remotely activated all the time of course that's not the default setting the default setting. Is You want your this your videos enabled because they want you spinning and video chats show that makes sense <hes> okay so basically all of these things are bad. Burn it all down. It does sound like the short term solution is quit soon finds something else. <hes> most can't really do that because like I said a lot out of corporations use this and so you know if you're working for a large corporation and all of your meetings are scheduled through zoom. Guess what you're using. What are the options in terms of video conferencing software? You can use them. You can use skype for business which is a disaster asteroid wheel spot itself. You can use <hes> <hes> grew facetime for thirty odd right. <hes> what else have you got clip to meeting <hes> of USA with video to me audio from May backwards. Don't remember if there's a video both ways and it's it's it's a limited set of solutions here and this is not great. Let's change news to something optimistic excellent what you got what you got well. We talk a lot about how apple is focused on health. Yes and of course I'm focused on your health too. I hope that you're healthy. I worry a lot willing to cheat with another thing of find yes well. One of the things that we know at least in the U._S.. Is that health insurance. Companies are generally not great to deal with bureaucracy and <hes> interfaces and interactions designed to stymie rather than make things smooth that the trying to deal with insurance generally an exercise in frustration remember. I'm in Britain with the N._H._S. for at least a few weeks. I have got to worry about any of this stuff yeah so this is for a few more weeks. Where is when does this turn optimistic? When's his good well so there's health insurance company in America called anthem anthem has hired former apple vice president Ted Goldstein who is now in charge of anthems A._i.? And health data projects this was reported by C._N._B._C. and along with him. They've hired other machine. Learning researchers searchers like Stefanos jumpiness apples health swore US Bukhari and Tony Trujillo Vian who's with apple for twenty four years. <HES> BUREAUC- McConnell wants an apple operation specialist has been brought on his user interface signer. He's experienced designer and and so what's happening here is that anthem is trying to recruit apple talent that can't come that that that push comes from a niche Kumar whose anthems vice president of commercial products who spent six years as an apple product manager in the nineties. And so it's not exactly certain what the impetus behind the hiring sprees but anthem projects you know they they're partnering with Dr Day I did if allergy patterns they're partnering with Act Wise Site for health plans to manage workers benefits and so typically health insurance is thought of as being old and stodgy and and generally <hes> the people that make medicine more expensive and so seeing <unk> seeing accompany appear forward thinking and doing machine learning can be both a matter of them trying to predict things to make cost savings for the company but also in terms of their user experience stuff probably make things better for their customers. How many apple people did you say sorry so I've named one two three four five six so far right so that doesn't sound like people who happened to work at apple that is a definite for nuts and positive choice to phone people effort not that is interesting is optimistic right? Should we start here that way. We should end. Will I mean I suppose we could Loyd but then I wouldn't get to talk to you about Capterra Dow okay towards me about Capterra capterra right so capterra is basically a a sort of online APP store store but they have over eight hundred and fifty thousand reviews on there he said again they they're the leading free online resource to help you find the best software solution for your the business and there are eight over eight hundred fifty thousand reviews of products from real software users so you can go through and discover everything you need to make an informed decision there over seven hundred specific categories of software like project management or email marketing circuiting or or even yoga studio managed software. This is important because it's not always easy to make the right choice in terms of software business. You know you were talking about difficulties with office will officer Standard Ever News's office except of course it breaks doing tracking changes like you're talking about another better example would be a friend of mine who is dealing with point of sale software and inventory management software. He's struggling right now because the point of sale that he's been using the inventory management set up on the back end is not recording first of all. He's got a skew for every possible size dimension and color way even though some items are the same just different colors and you know I told them that makes great sense except the because you've got to know if you need to reorder read versus reordering blue you need to know which one's the higher seller kind of thing but he's got a problem where some of them don't have cost of goods recorded and so sometimes he's making a sale and something doesn't come out right so that's partly down to who whoever entered those details and inventory management but also partly a part of of how good is that point of sale software and he's been slogging through trying to figure out how to fix this thing and untangled this thing if he'd used Capterra to to begin with he would have seen the reviews no matter what kind of software your business needs capterra makes it easy to discover the right solution fast join the millions of people use capterra each month to find the right tools for their business visit Capterra Tara Dot com slash apple insider for free today to find the tools to make an informed software decision for your business capterra dot com slash apple insider capterra. That's C.. A. P. T. E. R. R. A. dot com slash apple insider now after that health initiative we talk Betas remote. I was just thinking that she you took it about software and really I mean there's lots of new releases and things go but it is the new beat versions of things that are the most exciting. Isn't it sire well. Have you got what can we career. What can we safely and stole all of our machines right now? Well so Iowa's twelve point four is now on its Sixth Beata Watch O._S.. Five point three on it's V Data and Mac O._S.. Ten point fourteen point six is on its fourth developer Beta. You thought I was going to talk about Iowa's thirteen. I thought I was going to Talk About Watch O._S.. Six and Mac O._S.. Catalina yes. I also thought I was going to listen to you about those. We'll see light working on the team putting I._O._S.. Twelve point four when the cool kids are on I._O._S.. Thirteen Bates it's gotta be rough over. There at lunchtime doesn't probably but I think it's important because we know that iphone six. It's not going to be supported for thirteen. You know there are a number of phones that are in wide distribution that are going to age out of support for the new operating system so that twelve point four better be a good one. Let's go with a bag yes. I mean if you're going to use that phone for another year. If you're GONNA use that phone for another two years it had better be good. Don't you think what would hope yes of course. I am using an iphone six but as the cameras in my office so so they're in this kind of a release. It's a sort of a maintenance release. There's no great focus on bug fixes you. I'm sorry there's no great focus on new features ars instead you focus on bug fixes you focus on performance improvements you you want to have something running smoothly and it's entirely possible that this is not only the last round of Betas for these versions but also probably the last version to be released. Yes yes mark this day. Noted Iowa's thirteen is coming in the fall right so twelve point four is probably last of the twelve series. It's funny how exciting I o.. S. Twelve seemed just a few months ago and now it's all old hat. I Want I._O._S.. Thirteen I am so fickle really is you are frankly yes but I owned my fickleness and will continue each count the days until the the launch particularly if ipad Lois yeah. I think this is only a good thing you know stability matters there are tons of people don't update all the time and of course I wanNA remind everyone to not what update to Betas not use Betas on on devices lesser developer unless you have to absolutely be at the bleeding edge for for reasons you know just to have the newest thing to have the newest thing is very risky for example. If you have an Iowa's US thirteen Beta installed turn off I cloud services on that thing because if you don't and you have a mix of stable devices also accessing the that I- cloud you will lose data there is no there is no guarantee about any of your data in using a Beta and putting things in the cloud as well when you're doing that is just risky. Everybody tells you not to install Peter Software but everybody says it has installed speeches of West. Come on fess up. Have you done any beaches as yourself. Not The season well actually I have. I have an old mackinac put Catalina on it and frankly it was even that was a mistake. It's working fine but the AMAC was in a bad state before and running incredibly slightly. It's now in a slower state in they'll display faults so when I had a severe problem with my Mac mini I couldn't realistically go back on the mark so nothing breaks nothing broke and it was still a problem too. I should do that as an upgrade installed at Uniform Matin install upgrade great install because there's still some that I can't fissile to the community I I would have said if you were testing the Beta to see how the Beta goes on that machine to probably try and do a clean install because that will give you a better indication without having Kroft now really what I should have done just by new. I'm mackin installed on for some strange reason. I can't imagine why I just use what I thought was the spare in the corner of the office. I've yes I actually I mean apart from this time when it didn't go right the idea of having to Max <hes> expensive but it's really useful. I've struggled while my man he's been away so what you're saying. Is that the robber response to the having a product that fails is to buy another one really that seems like an interesting way to reward failure Windows Response Thought History and you won't upgrade your software by new computer. That's how I mean. It is the android one. You're not getting updates by a fresh. One android phones come with a sell-by date. That's what that sounds like. I would fit best before very nearly became very nearly yeah all right. How do we get streaming services services for moment? Here's what's GONNA worker. Media Warner media warned us on Tuesday that the revealing a streaming service called H._B._O.. Max and they're they're going to offer H._B._O.. Shows does but they're going to <hes> try and offer more than just H._B._O.. They're gonNA offer content from a variety of the warner brands so there's there's warner brothers. There's new line. There's D._C.. Entertainment C._N._N.. T._B._S. Tru TV C._W.. All kinds of things fit in here and <hes> including of all things crunchy roll which is sort of anime streaming service already okay so all of these things fit in there now critically for some people. This new service is going to become the exclusive home of the nineteen ninety s Sitcom friends. How is that where it went netflix paid eighty million bucks to keep the show through two thousand nineteen but those rights transfer over in spring twenty twenty and and apple tried to buy it before? I didn't realize well 'cause WANNA made it. There's rights have reverted to them. Okay yeah interestingly though I read announcement this morning that Netflix is keeping friends for Israel and I was asking how is that possible and I said well licensing for some regions is significantly less than licensing for all regions yeah contract contracts especially if H._B._O.. Max Isn't watching in Israel than it makes sense to have something in collects. Collect <hes> you know. I think it's interesting that they're leveraging the name H._B._O.. Because even in the U._K.. We Know H._B._O.. We don't have H._B._O.. But we see the programs for generally very good so they going with the star name for am I right writes that H._B._O.. Is Available on Apple T._v.. At the moment in America by itself and does this mean we might lose you might as well it is but I don't know that will necessarily lose that. It's a good question <hes> H._B._O.. Max is on there and of course Apple Apple. T._V. means a couple of things right if we say the H._B._O.. Services on Apple T._V. and you can subscribe to it three or Apple TV. That's one thing to say is it also in the T._v.. APP will disappear as a T._V. Channel in the T._V. APP and currently H._p.. Programming does right so maybe that would change but actually I should say. We've described before about the T._v.. Up I've loathed an you've been a fan. I have recently discovered that in the U._k.. It's far easier easier to watch our TV programmes through Apple T._v.. Up Than It is through our T._V.'s Iron Apple T._V. APP if you can follow all of these seat now you're getting it now but still doing the thing of recommending the episode before last you know so that bug is still there former yeah. Well keep trying. It's definitely much easier as an interface to navigate than trying to navigate whatever I._T.. Of come up with this week you know so this is going to be a weird set of competition starting in the spring right. We've got the Apple T._v.. Channels Apple T._V. plus. We've got net flicks. Disney plus is GonNa launch and the question is Disney plus going to eat up a lot of net flicks. There's Amazon Amazon prime video. There's who who and now we're GONNA get this H._B._O.. Thing in the mix so the question is which of these streaming services lives which ones die which ones become popular which winds become unpopular and so he's not mentally mentally up in setting up sort of a list of which where where I think things rank. There's no need who wins. What is the best history choking over here who was for Romney Kamaz? What more could you possibly want a good interface to access it? Okay I am actually I have a U._S.. Audience Account and I am putting gift card money's into it with the just on the hope that Hulu will release from Kamaz onto our June's U._S. because so far they don't have a U._k.. Distribution deal for my next alternative is fly to America to watch the show so I'm very pro Hulu at the moment and why why aren't you using V._p._n.. I don't I don't have a Hulu subscription. I'm assuming I can't get one net flicks. Cheer locks either a V._p._N.. Surely who does as well <hes>. All all of those things are exercises for another time to explore you know I. I don't want to actively recommend that people defeat Gio lock. Although I think that geo- geographical restrictions are silly <hes> yeah but that for raisins so I understand you're paying the subscription then you have your paying the residuals to those people anyway so there's no point in Gio locking. I think it's a finer issue than that. I I have no problem with flying to America to watch a six part TV show from that that are good. You're welcome you can come on over. Have you got Hulu. I have we'll make an evening cool all right great. Make sure you coat with the previous seasons of Kamaz because I don't want to be stopping in the outbreak outbreaks listen. I don't recall being obsessed explaining things first of all my Hulu only has ads at the beginning and end of the shows. There aren't breaks okay so there's that yes that's right. When you buy the Ad Free version of Hulu you still get adverts at the beginnings and ends of shows okay we live remember we had three books and we had four for and that seems like previous previous Stri- I recall I do well? This brings us to the end. Is there anything else you'd like to discuss before. I completely shut it down. I could go on quite a bit more about Verna Kamaz but you're looking at me like well. I can tell you looking at me like that's probably not what you had in mind so no no I'm good. What did you call it that will fit a will will will really something yeah yeah yeah <hes> he's fine as well? He says very good all right well that brings us to the end of this episode of the Apple Insider podcast next week when Wilford there is moonlighting as private investigator <hes> an under the tutelage of his detective father. We'll be back as he solved different standalone mysteries of a mystery to solve right now but okay yes until next week. Where can people find you on the Internet <hes> obviously flying through America <hes>?

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Titanium Apple Watch, new iPhone 11 details, Arcade preview leak

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Titanium Apple Watch, new iPhone 11 details, Arcade preview leak

"We have so much to discuss this week that anyone story could be the entire episode so we might have a little bit <hes> long show this week but we'll see what happens. <hes> let let's begin with tidying-up and topics from last week which is a preview of the heart in the united states has apple's new credit card with goldman sachs and mastercard mastercard now it's available to all users in the u._s. and no mutation needed and there is a ah change or improvement to cashback works which is really soon to happen. So what's the story there. May oh yeah this is interesting so obviously we're expecting the call to launch in august like they. They said it came out then in like hidden at the bottom. The press release was a thing saying apu is going to start doing much much and offers over the coming months today. They announced uba and evades safe you redeem. If you make a purchase on an uber using using apple pay you can also qualify for three percent cashback rows of c normally it would be tape percent on any other merchant and very cleanly stay the they plan to expand list to more and more time than us quite big shift because all the way up from march to august the moment they were just saying oh you only get three three percent on apple patches but now you can get it on the partnering with the pirates which kind of interesting that actually doing us quickly but i think his co. And some people between like the uber has his own credit card but they don't even give you three percent cashback on ebay ride right so it's almost like the apricots or if you're just riding his everywhere y- yeah i there's an interesting here because like you said there was no indication jason this was going to be coming from march till now and they didn't wait until you know a a bunch of feedback napa card or like people like you know numbers numbers dropping and sign up state they this was clearly part of the plan the whole time and and now they've got their first big partner and more will come soon soon but the only thing that got this that it feels a little bit more like normal credit cards where offers come and go <hes> because this'll be temporary. It's won't be forever they didn't they didn't say it's going to end but they had like a tons of edition small-print thing but note that it kind of implied the these motion offer's not gonna last forever so you're right. It does kind of complicate the messaging a bit more because before it was you know the three percent on apple purchases wasn't a temporary thing. I was very easy to explain whereas now it's like for the time being you can get three percent of the new book but we may take away. They don't say they're definitely going away but uh-huh that they're leaving the door open to do rotating set which would be unfortunate because it muddies messaging a little bit but at least at least you can still say is two percent with apple pay. You might get three percents of these places. It becomes a problem if they start doing like aggressive advertising for stuff like every time they swap out the motion will if you get like a push notifications ain't gonna buy this place now right. That's when it starts to get a bit scummy. I think but i will say also that <hes> it's it's definitely a positive like even if it does complicate the message you get something that you get you literally one percent more than you would have otherwise so it's for the consumer rights and that when <hes> you know if you're responsible the thing just hope there's some clarity clarity around like or or august. We'll just wait and see you know is is over timed. Are these things do they do. They go away. Is there any pattern detectors seasonal you you know and then we'll see like who are the other <hes> partners to so that's interesting and then as part of the the launch we in the u._s. Moving from only whenever he registered to to sign up to set up before everybody else they you know we see was it like to actually watch the card and you know so you mentioned a moment ago like well they do push notifications to advertise these promotions so far we haven't had that for the apple cart like with the wall it up on the phone but they did put and in the wallet app in the iphone. There's two sections. There's one section for passes which is like <hes> rewards cards movie tickets and tickets that kind of thing and and this is the card above that which is for your debit card and your credit card or apple cards so it's the you know the apple pay section of that versus the passbook section a historically they add a new section that third one of the top that was divided from the which which you saw first before everything else and you had to dismiss it but it wasn't wasn't too scamming there wasn't like a push notification for and it was just like a card not like a credit card but like a like an app store story card that says apple cart is here shows what it looks like and it says start using mccartin minutes and then hasn't applied button but even without hitting the apply button you can tap that card like story card and it expands bands into a big long scroll just like an app story formatted <hes> explainer for what apple cart is basically what you see from the website <hes> and and you know obviously can apply therapy can apply with the plus button but <hes> you had mentioned this before that you thought that this is kind of how it would work and they ended up kind of doing both things where they do put it in the plus button with hit plus and then you see abba card or your existing debit or credit card <hes> but then they're also doing this thing with this this promotional card which you can tap away with with the x. button but it is there and it did show up on the app store as well for me it was on the ipad and and not on the iphone for some reason and then on the ipad version you couldn't <hes> i suppose you could apply. I'm not sure but i didn't apply their but you apply play on the ipad because it just takes the not pay saying panels and it basically has a mini workshop in there just for apple management yeah that is there but it also had a section for like you know if it was like an app store download this app here and so it had that for wallet but it wasn't actionable because it's an ipad and there's no wallet app and it didn't like deeply into the settings except maybe apply but at least the that part of it was a little bit fragmented probably means that that story showing up on the phone so they've linked to wall apps so when he does shop on the phone it will let you down if you delete it and you can share stories on the app store so this is just like that you can share the story so just by putting it in slack in an opening it up from my iphone then i could see it on the iphone. I just didn't see it like in the today list of stories but yeah this is pretty much what you describe what you expected to see and it's not spammy and it's just like one one more thing that you dismiss or us close by on the like root screen of it. You don't have to say you know ignore. If you know what i mean gene so nice lake yet they've also put a the apple card as a product section in the apple store app and every you go to shop for products is under the ipod not included. I below its own section which i assume takes it to the wallet out. If you go far enough and then there are two versions nations of signs that michael cps founded apple stores that shows either the iphone with a digital card on the screen or physical apple card <hes> and there's like the signs on easels like where they say train your iphone for kind of thing so they didn't push here and who is that and then there was also a twitter account twitter account from apple apple cart on twitter verified with the bio a new kind of credit card by apple metabank sign up for yours now and and <hes> and they've learned that they can use an account to tweet and do appetizing way because as i started they've start you can you twitter. Let's you see over with their promotions and accounts running and they have indeed sti- paying for permit ads for the apricot account and they did a tweet for apricot. The apple company count remains silent on the actual tweet front which i think so stupid but hey that's how they do it. The moon and then the funny thing with albacore this week is that title published a document that has gone viral because it's document about maintaining the look of your white painting apple card <hes> and and then how to clean it and then like what to avoid to avoid getting a damaged <hes> the obvious thing is like don't put it in your magnets because the the stripe will lose his information which go on all cards <hes> but in the also say like because it's a white coated tatanium layer that use should not have it near <hes> leather leather or denim because it is likely to take the color of that material and permanently discolor the the white apple card so my question to apple support was can you put it in the leather apple iphone folio case and they to me. We went back and forth a little bit to try and get a direct answer <unk>. I think it was clear from what they're telling me that they don't want me to. They didn't even do that either. They were dodging yeah they would quote the support document and then i'd say yeah that's why i'm asking and then they recommend other cases to me the folio case i have asked directly from a p._r. Perspective of like hey what's the lion on this but that case has a magnet but i think that it should affect the card slot <hes> the magnets just to wake wake and sleep. The iphone screen like smart cover would on an ipad <hes>. I think you're okay there unless you have the the card on the outside of the case see they're. We're all existing credit cards. All made them with the apricot is not the first male carts so they and there's no. There's no rose about that for the fire case so it should be okay. Yeah related no either but they seem to suggest better safe than sorry not to use that so but i think that's that's interesting is like there's kind of like one to two cards. You can fit like one two cards in that in that case without making really bulky buston gosh and and that'd be perfectly reasonable to have your apple cart and your apple cart in the wallet apps you cover your basis for where you know a car taken yeah one of the lines in this document we literally don't put it in a pocket with other colleagues leave on his own and they mean by that is if you have a big wallet. Has we have six pockets for different cards right like he's rare. They're all the big slots where you just like shoveled five cards together but most will list you have separate pouches for each call generally so they basically say you know if you wanna keep your uppercut in pristine condition levy on its own and if you actually joel if you actually look on the support website you can find similarly-worded. I love worded cautions for every apple product exists but it is kind of funny at the same time yeah yeah i mean they linked to clean all products and keep him. You know pristine yeah like the iphone. Let the case instruction say. Don't put it in their done in because it was staying but you know everyone puts their. I find another case in jeans so i've seen that it's almost like legal legally have to like give you these instructions and exactly how you should care for it. We don't know how generous i going to be with replacement cards because i think more than an individual damaging it in their pocket was going to happen is when it gets swiped on the read isn't isn't much and that's when the met was gonna come off and it's gonna leave like scratches or whatever and you can get a replacement out and replace them all free but i don't think they're gonna to let you just for the hawk new kadhafi's and go month. They're probably getting a lot so yeah. I think if you care a lot then you could i would say i lost my card and knee replacement even the didn't and then you keep that one put away and then it's your collector's item adam and then you use the new and that you got and then your applecart and and the wallet app updates to the new card and then you're set you've got your real world one in your old one that you collect which keeps like if you've really care a lot best like a work around i guess that is the only him story this week with the apple watch apple card applewhite story to materially so what's going on with with with what wacho tells us about new apple watches this fall yeah. This is a great story. So what could i be our which is like a portuguese site they found assets in the latest watch watch respirator similitude the september tenth hope for release image that we'd lost week near the port version and if they found the the video d._s._s. of the kind of startup like on boarding video when you're pairing the watches and it's a dial basically mimics the back of the watch like the labeling on the back of the watch but it does the unlike little animation and it plays this when you fess up your washes an on that label it says designed brooklyn california and it tells you your watch specifications that tells you the me is any tells you the case type and what was inadvertently left in in this by earliest was those animations but they say titanium and ceramic cases on forty four millimeter team case for it. If you wanna saranda case and you can can presume forty million as well yeah that is a pretty big league on confirmation. We heard oversee earlier in the year from michio the they were going to do a ceramic version but this is the first time you've heard of titanium so that surprises out the door now yeah yeah it's true and titanium like people i guess that from the original album from then on what could apple do next especially when they started doing ceramic like you know if they wanted to go higher naked making detainee him. I don't know how the cost of this differs from stainless steel. I've seen some people. I don't know what the materials are like until i see them. Fill them into the the specs but i must say that taytay neom with like a brushed metal could be maybe less scratchy as the silver polished single still we'll material which you can clean off and wipe away but it's still very scratchy and also be lighter so that you would get like stainless steel will <hes> you know look almost or you know it'd be like that like metallic look but it wouldn't be as heavy which you know is either plus or minus like like what you want in every such and the titanium version will be significantly lighter say and to me. That's an advantage because you've been accustomed to sport models the whole time when i've tried holding the more expensive ones they was too heavy to me and again. I'm no if you bought one. I'm sure you get used to it but i like it if i if i had the choice to be heavier liar i picked light every time so the the the titanium watch would most most look like a stainless steel walked but like a slightly darker shade and it would be significantly leisa ceramic. We expect to look like the previous series ceramics ceramics yeah what they've had before this time it would have a bigger display would less basil square box so yeah i am excited about does and <hes> i thought about it and it's like oh if sp presented with ceramic entertain the one of the two titanium would be the newest because ceramic has existed before but i really liked the look the white ceramic and i was ready to purchase one with a series four and it didn't exist <hes> and so i i think this year like this year whatever the watch is like you know it could be the series four environment. That's what i would purchase <hes> even if it isn't like a series five way back then i wouldn't. It's the white because i've owned the grace framing before it just doesn't work like it doesn't do it for me. I don't feel like it's so pretty like idea the white ceramic yet the gray lend it just changes there to like make it more noticeable because if you want what is a what looks different than most of the other watches you know you think it looks kinda precious to you the gray one just at a glance feels a lot like the aluminum the minimum so you're going from like it cost thousand dollars more but but it looks like the one that costs me the black stainless steel way better than the gray bracero make the best yep yep. I won't be surprised if i was gonna bring my dog grade. It'd be both ebba. The white ceramics clinic and i don't think lobbying remember. They made a dog race around hiddensee many of them anywhere yeah i don't i don't we went from this asset. Leak still was going to go away because obviously it will run watch o._s. But do you think what a scene steel titanium. There's a price difference there or do you think they could replacing. Let's deal with i._t. Going forward titanium is more expensive material done stainless steel <hes> bought the amount and of meadow in an apple watch is small right like it's not a gigantic amount so you see more before for the series for higher back with glass basically or serving if they wanted to. I am pretty sure the they could host our replaced replaced it with titanium and at the same basically the same price points or bump it up a little bit by fifty bucks or something yeah. I don't think they have to go to ceramic levels of pricing to make it happen whether they do those different. That's true they introduced new editions in both attainment ceramics and to me i see titanic just a mature than stainless steel so if you're looking purely at like the clarity of the lineup than it would would be sensible for them to do exactly that and just have the titanium line in the mid range now then maybe keep the stained still for the black ones for the back finish so don't trip tame could do that but for like the state the state that should just be like the titanium better basically just online apple loaned in place and still where the actually happens is different now. Do you think that they would do it. Apple cart white coating over over titanium tapia. Oh well i would. I would say maybe but since quo has said ceramic comes back this year i'd say you know since ceramic covers the white cake scholar that it would be awkward to have him with a white coating over to look pretty free batteries dinged and stuff yeah and it will get dinged and it will get dimmed and leather ceramic if you the white ceramic as to why underneath right right you just chip to the layers of it yeah but the titanium if it was painted why if you chipped you just see great which is what the apricots the watching you wear on on your wrist is way more praying to get dinged and scratching the stuff so i think if they're gonna do titanium which they clearly it would just be the great th the room at the royal mail essentially essentially and then last question on this for me is <hes> you know the apple watch predated the iphones going stainless steel with ten <hes> could you could you see a titanium iphone iphone twelve iphone thirteen that part of the appeal was lighter but it's still precious material compared to the aluminum version except in the way of the glass and it could be lighter because it isn't a steel yeah. I think you could do that the once you get to. I was there's a scale. Maybe the price differential comes back into play in a bigger way and they'd wanna maintain knowledge in that and realistically the current offend design is mostly glass like this is just the band so that was titanium. Would it make much of a difference to the white probably know the battery and the glasses away heavier like they make a lot lighter if they change the bank back to aluminium for instance the band but then i'm going to do that because it was charging everything else. Oh yeah all right last last question. I didn't use mac books or powerbook's or whatever they were called whenever they were titanium this so you think is this a different class different greater than talking about that and those were those titanium's more like painted okay so eh titanium powell books which i never earned because it was kind of before my time y- from what they were very easily scratched and got dinged and look bad because they were like painted and it was a very thin layer mo sai wears version relieved. The watch is going to be titanium way through. We've read some surprising online reviews right whether you're trying to get a sweet deal on some even saving for trying to find the best happy hour in town is generally generally a good idea to read the reviews fest so why should finding the right software business be any different read thousands of rio software reviews and find the right software of with your business at capterra dot com slash happy hour not familiar with capterra. 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You're you're asian economic commission and again and this database exists because in wherever countries is like eurasia essentially read law prescribes the apple has to register any device any hardware device that uses encryption and so basically rapper devices using corruptions they have to base and for reasons that i do understand they always turn up in the database early like with not released with the f._c._c. apple can basically embargo the submissions so they don't show up up early and occasionally we have flops where stuff does come up prematurely like we saw the map for pro appeared the day before but in general the s._e. Steph down and they only get the f._c._c. submissions and you get released the same day that finds come out or whatever but through for whatever reason it doesn't seem like apple is able to do that with the sea because we have a three year history of stuff appearing on that list and then coming out within a couple of months later this week we saw them register fifty modifies on the on the on the base most of them were not new you have a because the listing say the hardware description and he told me quite vegas like portable wearable device apple watch but then samper watch and you'll say running and it was a software vision and most of the ones that was submitted this week were all of apple's current lineup just to make it a game with the the version bumped so you had like the ipod touch came up on the day by speed. It was just the same ipod touch running irish t. now. We just got a media player of the apple appleford apple media play which is three initially but luckily when you do the militant came up saying ding ding ding is currently touch however there were a few new model i._d.'s in there the iphone eleven's definitely in that list but we actually saw them so may back in may originally at the time they were. It's saying they're running out of his twelve but that's just the happened before. I don't know why they do that but they just appear saying the current and then they come back if you must liaising nice plus one what happens but they do it now. They're up to date. They were a few new macbook. Pro defies come up which presumably will tend to be sixteen inch member pro probably technically only says portable mac says portable apple laptop but we regime jay missed the mabrouk line so that's coming at some point as we would expect but the most interesting for all discussion the moment is the walsh's again they had updates from what trust five torture six for all of the current lineup including series three which suggests that the series three three what he's going to continue to be sold this holiday season and they had four nemo identifies two five six two five seven two nine nine two nine three and they're holding new. We haven't seen those before tall so that is where it comes to the discussion of the new watchers if you if you see how the numbers are grouped together like five six five seven nine two nine three likely means that they just forty million info millimeter versions and because there is an another because there is an eight because any four i'm a shaming that oh celje motor was so they all have salvia so we're looking at a new formula me watch and the new four hundred watch the often sell only and that sounds in addition to me which would then be the titanic and ceramic editions in the current line up. It's it's that all the aluminum models have g._p._s. bs only options or g._p._s. plus sailor so you have a choice there and then in the stainless steel <hes> lineup u. n. When ceramic was was the thing with the series three you couldn't get a store without sailor so it was baked into the price <hes> yeah i mean i could see that and that's pretty telling because it can mean a few things <hes> i think like i think you've you've probably got a pretty good direct interpretation of what this means. I've had a a different theory from before this data <hes> but it does sound like like you said ceramic titanium and in two sizes so two materials two sizes <hes> and that doesn't suggest a series five watch to me. It doesn't suggest suggest the fact that you don't have like a bunch of new models and different. You know a bunch of new numbers that you know in some in the same material. It doesn't sound like we're gonna fight. This new aluminum series five. This is a new steel series five. This is a new ceramic. This is the new titanium <hes> what what's your guess based on this and overall what the lineup of the white sox like i guess next month. Yes said the series three being served it to say it's going to ship with six heavily implies. They're gonna keep selling it and there is some way of moving. I'm from exacts to guess where a because the eurasian commission does not exactly specify motor numbers though or places where it's going to be so right even so theoretically they could sell the series three only in some countries. Maybe the country's gonna stay for instance or it could just be in general the series three john south so presuming the even in the u._s. The series three remains around. I think we're heading into a lineup which is purely deep price reductions and then some color refresh and the collar refreshing cleared the two new case finishes which would be tame ceramic. I don't think we're gonna see personally. I don't think we're going to see any intent. Hardware changes to series three zero series four. They just be maybe like fifty dollars cheaper something if they'd just stay around at the same prices and this not only from the european commission lake but just in general. We've been talking about this in the last few months. They're all afterwards room. Is that no down features of any kind so it doesn't seem like they're going to go the way to series five unless they rally code the unless they do something really because he really weird if they introduced series five titanium ceramic which the only because there'd be so expensive and it won't have a faster processor and the just the rest of the series for lamp is is that would be such a big shift from what they've done so far which is the material differences says are what make up the the cost differences but you don't have to spend six hundred dollars to have an apple watch the current apples that you can always get one who around forty hundred dollars yeah it just seems a wack with the new the new like if the only dead new iphones in stainless steel with led screen and they didn't have anything thousand dollar price yeah yet yeah so that doesn't really fly to me or the signs point to essentially no update this year <hes> just color changes price update and to you know some people's appetite. You've got new edition models which see essentially a filling in the gap the lineup from last year right because addition series before yeah. If you had a series three ceramic apple watch then you you had to choose and you wanted to upgrade for new features and everything and there wasn't a clear upgrade unless you just happen to like a single so options or like the new goal thing still the option this would be this would be this would be filling in the gap that he left last year and it's it's it's. It's kind of nice to have a series five this year. If it's just a speed boost because every year they've had now evaded g._p._s. now. We've added sailor now. We have a redesign and ec so they've had something besides it's faster now and so we've never never had it faster applewhite's update and we have so many rumors about next year you know my early s one part from series one which was like a course correct it was just like just is to continue having a functional wine second run feature software as like we needed cheaper watchers whereas the new watch but the first chapter watch way too slow so we gave i believe it was it was too slow and it was brand new so we're fixing that which clever thing to do yeah so i've that's why i feel so certain that like you know you. You don't have to have a serious five this year. If all the things that we hear about next year like different rumors from different sources but some of his reporting some of its supply i chain stop some of the things like sleep tracking as soon as twenty twenty micro l._e._d. Screen versus the current screen from every apple watch so far which could have its own benefits and as soon as twenty twenty you know things like that you know you could do a speed boost update and then you'd have a lot of people buy watch this year that the diversion with with much stuff for several more years so not doing one yet even if it's just like a color refresh rush. Those are the people that i it helps the watch market. Stay okay like and they don't get the number so you don't have to worry about like every year growth and it's in a category about the devices so it's not physically the why and the watch it still is also as well and if and if species and the only thing on the table is potential improvement <hes> uh-huh whoa like they're going to sell more in my opinion if they just reduce the price of the carolina by forty dollars fifty dollars versus keeping the price of the same paying a faster process in their nothing else because if i'm going to be excited by that is doesn't have the same appeal as going under water guy and sally. You're doing all the stuff stuff that you can do before and sleep. Tracking was definitely the feature that seemed to be the most eminent as the next thing for them to tackle right but it seems that that's not happening to so next year so that's on the table so if you just have the same watches but fifty dollars cheaper. You're probably gonna sell more you. We're gonna have a bigger holiday season for the walsh well. If you do that versus keeping they are with you know slice speed boost. That's true because people is the feature this year is the price has gone down and and it went up with series four from where it was right so it has room to go back down and that's the new feature. This year is the watch. The different price had last year for every model <hes> i. I've been thinking like you definitely price throughout the series three. Whenever it becomes like its into its its third year on the market. <hes> that may be serious for it could you could it'd be okay to not change the price and maybe they only change the price the aluminum an all of this table models the same as long as they could do their the price in the series three series for his yeah. That's what i think is more likely because you still want to hold the price point for the series five and you don't want you know you could could lower now. Get their sales. Bring back up next year. We've seen with the epa award so they can definitely play with the price. You know your two year <hes> yeah. There's there's lots of things that can do the thing thing that i've envisioned for this year. As i've been writing i read a story of months ago. It was like did i watch need a series five this year and it's clear that they don't for several different reasons. Now people still buy watches today without a refresh same phone but just because there's a holiday it will have a boost in sales. There's no you call this competition that kind of thing and and the and the fact that they've been rolling series four in different countries throughout the year just like because it easy a._g. Like the i watch it's been a slow rollout <hes> and then you you mentioned before like certain countries can't have lt or they've only only had it for a few months at most end so that only lets them have aluminum models because they don't have non sailor still models so there's there's a lot of of of the runway for this series four to continue to just look at the situation right right exactly the u._k. We have we have <hes> sort of their options but there's no every carrier right. The u._s. is very rare that you have all four of them in carriers offering apple watch which plans but even here in the u._k. You get to guyer's but they're like my perfect. Harry doesn't have an apple workshop wanting to sell their on it so that's the kind of expansion expansion can continue doing. He's just adding harry is this and they frontloaded design change and they gave us booze series for the there's still a lot of runway on the current design as we know it like no one's begging for the series to change at the moment part from takes us that would love to see new features but then you look at the rim of roadmap and it's just isn't just doesn't support yeah the one case i can make as i've seen people mentioned men twitter whenever i discussed this on twitter is is i've had this series too for a while the series three for a while and i want to get the next watch i want to upgrade every two years or upgrade whenever there's a big deal of change and and they say i want this series of five this year you know i i bet if i engaged further and said well what if this is a speed boost in this series six a year later is sleep tracking but you know different front screen type and that brings different features. Would you regret next year and probably yes so as long as you're not using a series of frustration where you can't. We use the latest software than you think. It's too bad but the thing that i've like envisioned you know prior to the e. C. database story which which gives us a little bit more information it is that you know went option would be for apple to upgrade the series. Three processor changed nothing nothing else about it so it's just it's it's faster than it was before so has fosters the series for is or would it be still between yeah it would be like the series one and series two who whenever the first generation went away the series won the same speed as the series to just didn't have g._p._s. the difference there you know aside from what are the the process was the same speed <hes> so in this case because it is the third year of series three you know it might beginning long in the tooth i don't. I don't a us one so i don't know but maybe doesn't run as well on watcher a six certainly not as well and watch o._s. Seven you know <hes> so that it would make sense to give that <unk> watch from two years ago last year's processor and then keep the series four unchanged and then you've got a new lineup really for the you know versus last year but they're all healthy watches they. They're all the same speed. There's vastly different feature sets with fall detection e c g and the screen design so you choose there but it's all the same speed so there's no difference of this. One's gonna be slow. This one's going to be you know might not run wacho seven or eight you know it would be this is the two thousand eighteen eighteen lineup they all the same speed they can run software in the future and maybe not even give it a new name. Maybe just call it seriously as a generation or something like that i don't know and then leave series for for unchanged at new case materials at the high end so that you've got <hes> new options there for for people who are very enthusiastic like me <hes> but that isn't evidence by the unless they just didn't change the model number two but i think that would require some sort but that that'd be neat to but but maybe the series three chip isn't so bad that you need to take that step because it would be like series one series two year year where the the washington a year ago and using the speed of it you know and get rid of that one this just imagine when last year when we went from series three h series for for was faster but it was definitely the smaller jumper compared to earlier years like it was nine day i can't i can't say because i don't go back and like compare because i feel like it's gradual. I it's like me but when you hear is to oversee faster right. Yeah people say that about the series two is slow. Three people said it was a little foster as well. I didn't think you've got the same impression with the four and some of the full speed is wasted on and don't waste debate she used for rendering more pixels and and that kind of thing so it kind of feels like the three in the four price <unk> closer in line than any other dow a year reduces the need then they don't so far step in my v._a. And it's now apple is not afraid to just leave the product running is is that's true and we've we've not seen them job any other apple watch except for the first race and yet so like watch a series one answers on series two which is the same processor speed they can all they can all run. What do i six. <hes> may be that late. They start falling off in future years soon but we haven't seen it yet except for the first nationwide which is reasonable. It got up to watch us for that right <hes> in the non five that was kind of my my guess in eastern. I'm back that so much but i think that would that would be nice and we've also seen a history of apple didn't like they take the iphone five and five s tweeted a little bit it to make it cheaper to make and then they put new chip in it and they call it iphone s._e. We've seen the i've had many have the same designed like years and they've just given a new processor officer and <hes> you know tweet screen a little bit and give it a new a new a new number is the change the mini was they added touch i._d. And a gold color and that was it and they have the same purchasers before show the ipad air to is it's. It's not the air it's the ipad is the eleventh pro zero with some changes to the specs but they're gonna history of taking the cheb chain a key design the chip out and there's a new product but but i don't know what you'd call it three series three s talk with you like issue is just as sounds like so much work for so little guy is just just fifty dollars of series berth prizes keep selling their products and ongoing. Don't bother with anything new. You guys cheaper going by of christmas yeah yeah. The only thing i think is that if you took the price of the series three which is already lower and you made a bigger delta between series three series for then you really encouraging urging people to go series three if their price conscience country and since then and then you can have more of those customers that are that are buying new stuff that won't be supported as long. Maybe but <hes> it's nick. They can do whatever they want so we'll we'll save. It seems like super clear is not going to be serious. Five this year. It's going to be next year. Series five will be next year's. Here's watching. It'll have subtracting. It'll have the new screen type benefits come with that right and maybe speak yeah definitely on a series five trajectory right and i i totally preorder and you know have as soon as possible as a forty millimeter ceramic apple watch edition <hes> if it's serious for a total of me 'cause that's what i want to start didn't didn't buy it with series two or three i had series three ingrained in exchange for the space black color nicer but i i will toy buy it even if you sell the series force in the gold version if i want to so i'll be there and then you can keep using your limbs series for like a normal person so i'll be sticking on the train in front of you and and this week i actually says today that as a recording mark criminal bloomberg had his like apple september event preview what he expects included from the reporting <hes> which which begins with this kind of re emphasizing what we've been saying which has no series five not reporting just on you know reading that he leaves he he he says there'll be a focus on software new cases for the lodge which seems to imply no serious five. Just you know new college of the series new cases of the series where by the way if if you wanted to refresh the series for as well like say you take away stainless steel you replace it with titanium. That's a refresh you add ceramic at the top. That's a refresh and then you change the aluminum colors from silver space gray and gold and instead of those three the colors you use whatever the new tenora placement colors are which i think is slow. You'd have like white which would be. I think what would be the same as silver you'd have black which is like the iphone seven color right so it's darker than space gray yeah yellow yellow green macron. That's the new one apparently the new the green color which we think replaces blue yeah and there was a lavender potentially label lavender which might replace coral and then and then ran red. Whoa yeah which would be pretty sweet so you have a product watch if you did that which is like i've written my serious for review by the way there's a limit colors are kind of getting old looking may even when the new zion hi and give us new colors or like they would be limited the nike plus i navy like silver and face gray and plus and then in the regular non nike plus version you get all these is colors. You add a new band lineup. Yeah i wonder what the mas- watch becomes. If the if the takeaways still i presume detainee if that if it's replacement or with if they still exist entertain him joins in at a higher end than does the wash gave more expensive with the band plus material combination and is for a non new watch year. The changes are interesting out. They could do so anyway. That's what gherman has to say about the wash this year focus on software software nucleus so essentially playbook come up with any new features for the watch either which again just suppose no series five narrow not bragging anything but i'm gonna say we've. You've been on this train for a long time. I think becoming popular like in the last couple of weeks or so but we've definitely been on this for like over a month now so e quo when the report came out in like february and saying here's what's coming for the wash year ceramic an easy to more countries. We coming up with it then. It's like well. No noah said maybe there's no big change for the watchers yet and then there was the sleep tracking report for the two thousand twenty thing and that just kind of started the kindling the fire of it and yeah. It definitely seems to be where we headed not to say. Hey look what we said etc etc but but whenever i hear someone say prominently. I haven't heard anyone anyone's this before. 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Tell me about what mark is about the iphone eleven pro whatever yeah he doesn't specifically say i pray he just says the new pro iphones like we'd probably quotes but i think personality it'd be nice and he's a little bit looser on twitter to the yeah he he he. He's on the bandwagon but he's not commit into putting a number on on it but i can't see not dropping this year so i'm gonna keep going stopping which which is the two models and they komo triple camera the new iphone eleven which is ten our success of that goes to juma. That's the summary plus. He has some information on what the cameras are going to do so for the triple camera system. He says that the lenses will be out to take three images simultaneously tena asli which is impressive to be on his kind of fuse them together especially if they were going to be a different apertures and focal lens because you out your why you've got the white anglo and you've got the two exe- telephone taizhou how they managed to fuse with these together into one image but he says it's going to happen and he says in high-resolution pictures and a significant improvement to the photography and i think it's fair to say that the number one place where the foods behind the competition amendment is in the light right department where that's just rule photos or with like a nightside mode where you have to imposing it like we see the google pixel harrowed in both regards the definitely comes lost in almost every low light test for for for quality when you in the daytime they become a lot closer together together but the tennis definitely lacks in the department so which is the iphone got worse because it used to be low light was a very high point of the of the iphone camera versus where other smartphones doing a cyst that other smartphones got better whether is through i i i think what happened is not like there's a certain set of inches on the market that they can choose for almost they create their own <hes> but it it's what other other funded through computation that made them better right and it's not that phone got worse is that it's kind of stagnant alight much better through your especially with the nine modes that make even the original google pixel so from two thousand sixteen even makes that take very very good night shells compared to you know thousand dollar hyphen so hopefully we get a big improvement. That doesn't necessarily crowd. They're gonna do a night mode but you know in the ideal case. You wouldn't need a night mode. You just take a picture and it's dog. It can sorta out let you adjust the brightness and make you really want to say maybe the three camera system will enable them to do that. So you don't need to dedicate night mode or maybe there is a dedicated now auction you can switch into we don't know for sure hopefully because if they can do it if they have extra fine but at least you'll be there and i think that's what they slowly that kind of thing employers high-resolution things interesting as well because from other sources. We still believe the megapixel off the lenses not changing. It's still twelve megapixel lenses on oh three so the fact that he specifically says higher resolution definitely implies like computational photography smarts them mixing together to get a higher detailed final finally maj plus he mentions order the stuff like the small frame stuff way we'll be able to change the crawl finales information and rotation and that kind of stuff which we've talked about before but the resolution interesting he makes a big deal about the video capabilities and how was gonna add like real time video editing editing and adjustments so shooting a video with an antenna ass why it's recording basically just zoom in and out you just pensions alien as air. Apparently they're gonna go way beyond that with the iphone eleven pro at least will you be out to refrain in crop <unk> apply play fax adjust the brightness or this stuff while while you're shooting it'll be interesting to see because the fighters happiness the teen ads video editing features in for the inside an apple app for the first time inside of photos like you can rotate video now oversee on on the current finds the happens after the video has been saved your library and it sounds like they're gonna take those kind of adjustments and make them be able to adjust while you're shooting as well which would be cool and then he mentioned that the a thirteen chip obviously inside the phones no surprise there the eight will have like a matrix co processor so obviously the current one has the newer engine is sound so they're going to have another one for this year that will help from certain tasks that probably implies or they may maybe they'll keep with w- by owning this year isn't it right the clip eighteen and eleven onic yes yeah they'd fusion by own riding a new co-processor probably make a big deal about how many transitions and probably give it a a new name said again this year and then on the high end fines not the ten hour replacement replacement there will be at least some colors having a matte finish because we've had about these kinds of frosty google's matt raymond before the way the mark writes it it kind of implies that every color will be not be some colors which i think quos the. I say that there'd be a foster glass changes here. I said it and a few other citizen unknown said like it will be all phones foster-glocester awesome l._c._d. Phones won't but but maybe yeah maybe marketing was i guess as one more way to make a i could see all them being fussy classes like phones or or if you want to distinguish between the two even more say the hiring process and the other ones are not and make a difference ansah yeah and then he mentions multi angle face idee specifically the choir is multi angle and you'll be able to like on local fan even when it's taboo which is definitely an issue in the current fines. Could you do after like lean over the phones. It's quite a lot for it better city so apparently this new system will have a much wider range to pick you up which would be nice imprisonment then we previously had from msci quo that they would be upgrading the infrared sensors. It'd be more powerful. The flood eliminator such the walkout account more infrared rice from the environment like the sun's if you're in heavy sunlight you more likely if you're on unlock but the the kind of wider angle of you think is new information so that's the surprised to be honest like a kind of it. Kinda sounded like they weren't gonna do anything big to face a dealership. This certainly certainly sounds the head in that direction and google made a big deal about the <hes> their upcoming because they're going to have the pixel four this four and in in classic fashion they've started not saying features of it already for whatever reason and one of the they're doing some kind of nothing to lose yeah. They're doing some kind of radar system to improve recognition. Supposedly that's what they've announced so it'd be interesting to see how that stacks up against the new face of the infrastructure offers won- i moved from the iphone montana's they didn't call it like face a._d._t. Like the deal was such a deal. Where kind of like second generation did they know said it was response to that to being part of the chip manufacturer and then later in software all improved for everybody. Maybe maybe they would it. Call this out as second-generation the you know like with actually in the past yeah and then the other interesting point from the section was he cool now <music> out the apple is focusing like durability so they'll be much higher degrees of water resistance and shatter resistance for like the back laws <hes> and especially you. The water is in things like boys that four because none of the manufacturers she's a fence outlet included were back up their water. Resistance claims with warranties like nobody cars water damage so is how to market a oh now you now. This is really ready. Resistant slash aboard proof but we don't unless they change their policy replacing. That'd be that'd be an unusually. There's no phones. Don't really have the yeah i mean that the feature is nice so that you have fewer actual needs to replace that phone. We're like water guyton and damaged it. Guess all the big thing right now is that it can take can take longer for the what become a problem for the most scart yeah in shallow water splashes but it's still sort of in that splash proof territory versus like the really tricky thing here i agree with you about warranties but the thing is like any level of water resistance and people call it waterproof water resistant is like the subcategory like a lesser version <hes> <hes> splash proof is pretty friendly to say but like you know when you get into the rating systems it's it's it's impossible to memorize and no one knows that without referencing it so people able to say what a proof and that's that's not what it is and then people will will damn phone by taking underwater pictures for way too long they look at that and so they improve it without out if they improve like you say like it's more you know they they would the tennis they the more water is in the ten are and the iphone ten were though the <hes>. I don't think we've mentioned it. They just i didn't ask the beer the beer slide we're r._t. Our team loved testing this and they had this crazy picture like that on a beer mug or so. Yeah you're right. They did mention it yeah. Maybe they just keep keep going down that road but i kind of agree with you or until you change the warranty of like oh it's it's water damaged and that shouldn't have happened like you. That's what you can do with the what is you can't go diving with the watch but since the series two and on it's rated for swim tracking you can use it in a pool and a notion to fifty meter depths depths right so if you can bring the phone eventually i think i think they use a different rating system or something. It's not like step one step to to not clear how it's labeled but i don't think the iphone is like the first generation watch was or the series one watch was lesser so maybe if they catch up with with any of that okay yes because if they could put their money where their mouth who they met their mouth is and actually warranty cover it then it'd be really cool if you could do like graffiti and actually have it no b. o. A. you'll find my break when you do this baby boy feature especially with triple camera system now that'd be very cohen you take under war video in the pool when you're paying about but it just seems unlikely because there's so much like there's so many problems with laying lying someone claiming damage on his is really hard to tell how deep you went with the voter men and they're so and you know one piece order not another piece of water. You can have in the water. You can have chlorine. It's all this gum that just gets in the way which is why none of the manufacturers will cover you for it but if you're gonna keep pushing down the resistance levels at some point you know you have to stand up behind it to be able to promote features because it'd be cool i i if you had someone like taking a video on the beach in jump in the in the sea with them that'd be cool. Adam was so fun but there's quite a big leap for them to actually be added like advertise that same yeah people already do things like that and they you know they don't know what level of what is is there and what safe and like i think he's like like dip the top into my phone underwater clear creek water co. Picture like only once just try it and i kind of got the feeling that like ah to and been safe in that scenario before like what are just was added but they had that one ad where there was a kid kid on a bicycle and he was in his garage and he's about to go for like a ride and it was the first time they added resistance and he went out and like a crazy thunderstorm with his iphone like mounted tuesday. There's a bike is like the you know the tracking a bike workouts kind and like a thunderstorm but i'll think that what they showed there. I don't think they'd encourage <hes> so to maybe if they get to level where you can you you know you can do things like japanese. People are do that but if they can show in an ad and that's not such a good sign yeah so that's basically the the watch. The watch in the iphone sections multiple does getting some of the stuff's which it's interesting so on the ipad front. He says that there will be updates this year but we mostly focused on processor improvements. I either get an eighth thirteen x or whatever mandela say get the same triple camera system as the as the new high end iphones do makharov a previously talked about this. We took in the before so those kind of you know the three lenses and stuff will come to the to the ipad pros as well which is kind of <hes> one camera two three yeah martinez fall or next year. He said he said so basically so it didn't it didn't it. It didn't one hundred percent say it was like as soon as this year so it was a bit wifi. It's not it's not like definitive on the exact zach. Thomas foley ap apprised. We're definitive about a new iphone community but we're not on on the ipad yeah and there has been some oppose note from bloomberg from take us places that they won't be in for the spring for instrument and it would come to five g. and stuff so i think we discuss that yeah yeah so maybe that is true the way it did sound like it was coming soon so i put it on the right of expectation and he definitely said this next one which is the nine point seven inch ipad is going away and being replaced by the remitted ten point two inch ipad been around for like the entire this year and originally we thought the ten point two inches coming in march and then no that was ten point five but then choline good owed temperatures coming and sure enough. It sounds like this period the temple tim the temporary two inch will become the new entry allied for everyone so that's the cheap three four nine i paddle level which we've totally because in the show because i would ask you things like well if you've got ten point five and seven point nine inch and nine point seven inch what what can attempt to do and i think from the start you'd say well you're placed nine point seven ten point two and it doesn't have the same features as nice features features newly processor as the many ipad air to it. It's still not you know three twenty nine area in terms of what you get get for that it. It's it's a good value but it's the best ipad or even like the medium ipad and there's some symbolism because oversee the nine point seventy five had was the first ipod right the two thousand ten was nine point seven screen and it seems like thighs about is about to be doomed and no longer have a nine point seven dr not ipads aside from the latest pros still look like ipad in terms of the design you know then either have the same shape exactly <hes> but thou the ipad inspired the ipad mini that had many inspired the shape of the ipad air and then it wasn't until you got to the pro thursday night pro throw in terms of the feeling that you got this holy new shape you know or like losing the battle basically what the vessel we'll be symbolic. It was four that that really took like lost the first generation shape with side basil's whilst hot basil's and and it was the ipad to that redesigning ipad just like the back and sides and everything so it's been a long time coming. I think this is not like like a wow. They're really moving fast and getting rid of that original size. It's like we've spent a long time coming for sure and there's still you know close relatives of that original total size and shape yeah and finally mark has concrete information on a new home pod mentioned and we've kind of had these murmurs for one about. Maybe there'd be a homeboy update. Maybe it'd be mini this. What mark says the app was working on a cheaper homepod and he specifically says it will have to tweet his inside and the current homeport has seven in like three hundred sixty degree arrangement because one of the big seven points behind bode. Is you get sand the way around. It's not like a bookcase speaker shoes i in one direction and so if you go from that not only to you have to presume that it's getting smaller because otherwise it'd be weird for them to go to a bookcase speaker where it sounds like you just have a smaller homepod and that has less speakers in it but because the surface area gets more you need speakers still cover the <unk> degree size volume cheaper and cheaper cheaper to make those holding the gap rap apple where everyone else has has has a very low end product and then like amidror product and then some have a high end product like home pod <hes> <hes> this could be like <hes> like the two hundred dollars shown us one level of speaker in that in that case they do. I think i did teach leaders. I i think it's like stacked vertically <hes> similar. I think this case for the medicine case for the ipad or the kea bookshelves bigger <unk> but like you said if they want to kind of maintain what a home part is you could do one on either side and then claim three hundred sixty degrees sound to degree because you've got britain back whereas this stuff you've got it goes where you face you know and then they they do some tricky stuff in my equalization software to make it sound better but it's not three sixty like a home pot is version of that yeah and obviously if you look at the small speaking mulcair is clearly dominated by no even the two hundred dollars big this dominate the fifty dollar adults and grime minis the amazon echo dawn mini's there by far the biggest sellers especially around christmas time and it it doesn't say the why does it sound like apple is going to be that low market with this. They've lowered the price of the home by from three fifty to three hundred and yeah over last weekend we past the point on the calendar where the home pod has outlasted the ipod hi fi on the market like ipod hi fi. I had so many days on the market like a year and a half. It was very short-lived home pod. It got priced drought but it's also outlived in a race in the market <hes> so he's not going away. They're bringing it. The new markets like even this month and next month so it's they're still rolling it out but bench three hundred sixty now you can see this being two hundred one fifty fifty one eighty it has to be at least two hundred less right because fifty is pointless and for two hundred seven that gives you a good idea of the difference difference in sound quality and what they can achieve so i mean that's that's a pretty big difference there so yeah i'd i'd hope they're aiming for a one fifty level. We feel that's where they need to be. They sell apple for k. for one fifty right and that's something that it's not huge but people do buy t._v. Four k. for fifty they the apple t._v. Apple t._v. for k. for even more one seventy nine one thousand two hundred thirty two and sixty four gigabyte generous op restored stories where i'm going with that makes them pointing anymore which is those are kind of wild prices and people balk at the price but they still buy it because it does something for them <hes> and so if you had a home pot at one hundred range you know it would be in more homes than the colonel potter's. I i'd say one hundred percent and and if you and if you like mean you've got to impose in my office not using stereo. I love the homepod already day but you know i'm not gonna spend and three fifty dollars for these ever in the house. I probably have read them. Maybe like whoa more like nobody needs that sound like maybe on like one like a stereo pair per floor for but i've i've written about this in like my thoughts on it but like it's unreasonable to think that people want to three hundred to three hundred dollars bigger in every room of the house in in case it was within with voice activation range and like hearing it well yeah and like my kitchen. Let's say even if i had unlimited money my current. The current kitchen in the house does not really have room for one hundred site speaker. They could fit one. That was an all smooth. It felt like an echo dole or something but there's not really show for an actual harmful to guy say i i mean if i wanna. I wanna stay ecosystem. You know they need a mini phone fighter to exist yeah the the market. The solution is kind of right now to use an airplane to speaker like something from bose ios or sonos for lots of other companies that make those but get tested so many speakers that great but the difference of having avin voice input from your voice in syria that you use free services that you use built in or you know not built in built-in way better and even unlike the music client podcast client playing directly on the device versus streaming from another device that speaker is this way nicer one is built in to do that and the closest thing to that now is the alexa integration where you've got apple music on echo speakers of all sizes and they're reaching more countries as of this week <hes> but but nothing from apple so this news to me is like you don't have to say a whole lot about it you know they like what what colors will be and will the price be. Just the existence of this thing is it's the moving the ball forward here and it's tied you know presumably to software updates as well as we know that home pot is going to get new features like multi user support or to some degree in the new radio feature where you can stream lots of different radio stations directly so they're not just doing the software stuff even the less kind of behind still. They're not just low in the price and still rolling it out a new country first time. They're also gonna do something that that puts this in mobile homes i think and and so i'm excited for that. That's good news. Good direction high mayo next up to talk about this. Week is the release of <hes> handful of new beta versions of apple software so we've got this week was the first update to mac os catalina this month in august. We're not at the end of august talk about an update but we got a new update to mac os catalina for the first time which includes new version of echoed separately and then later we got updates to s. Thirteen in patio is thirteen embiid eight there now six for catalina and new version of watch o._s. Six beta beta a t._v. Us thirteen stuck on better seven so far yeah so it's interesting but <hes> as as record we've got those new betas it is to talk about <hes> and there's not a whole say except for that everything is missing in the iowa thirteen beta and around that that those features like sharing you're not a using announced messages with air pause and beads <hes> those kind of things are shattering yeah shortcuts et <hes> all the things that were removed in one of the mid cycle betas is still gone which sort of suggests it's not gonna come back and time for release even though i've often said that yeah so it's kind of to this point thanks curious yeah the software ashby finalize for like the star september and if they haven't brought oh any of them back next week now yeah exactly. It's not going to happen realistically. They're not going to bring them back. For one day is worth of time in case there are problem so i think what we see is what we're going to get for thirteen point zero now yeah in the home app for homecare on mac os catalina. It did see some changes and again that's dip. They came out after like three or four weeks with no new version version then it had <hes> in the home mapping guests in new icons for different options which would solve their now. Yes so interestingly present in micro lena benach the i s c which actually cannot afterwards <hes> some new icons four different accessories so in hung over so you have a whole range tiffany series and they have default icons but for some of the categories lies you can actually when you edit the accessory you can choose different icon to represent is and the kind of light that you're talking about so before you'd have like a ceiling light with a drop down right no oldest lightbulb yeah and then a desk lamp basically and so in by eight they've added added new ones for a square desk glam kind of sealing al-qaeda light which is kind of regaining kitchen the l._e._d.'s in a circle in the ceiling an l._e._d. Lights strip kind of reliable and chandelier so they've they've from three to like knowing there's going to be quite quite big rise out of nowhere and if they still exist microscopic at the moment yeah i think there was also a floor lamp before and that s so there anything in total they go from four to ten in so if your accounting for the record the nice. I like that too lamp is you. You know it's more than just like the generic pixar desk lamp <hes> the there's like a bookshelf speaker shapes white eight months sure what they're there and then there's like a rectangle with the spite frame around it so the kinda reminds me of like a non elif canvas type thing okay yeah yeah yeah yeah so there's definitely more options there which is a long time coming and people at nobody home the home app and home. They've been waiting for this for so long. It's still not toyota representative of everything you can happen. It's a good start from four to ten big jump. Yes yes and there's also a whole host first of new icons for the outlets yeah so you before you basically just i won an i._b. Generic out of shape now. They've added outlets outlets that look like the u._k. Plugs that like the european plugs american plug you go u._k. Plugs with red own for whatever that means. I remember it the i've definitely seen those kind of bugs around and you got like proper american blogs three. They basically let you now. Localize your own app to pick take the park's always the puck before it was just kinda generic plug yeah okay yeah there was no foreign options and then stay. They also added a new fan option which is interesting for me because before they'd have a ceiling fan which was new and kyle thirteen gene right. Yes okay beliefs. I and they had a desk fan. Which is the default standard light be found the now they have a tower like standing foul senate sending flora fan right and as we talked about last week that is rigged up a home bridge standing fan so that's technically more accurate than why have so far published the detoro on right then actually just as the home bridge broad link link big tutorial with a few looking for step by step instructions and had to do something like with infrared accessories. Yeah it is one that is interested in which is the <hes> the to power strip shirt to protect your style power strip the most of what's on it before it was just a plug icon and then you had a each one and now now that the product gets its own power strip. I guess u._s. Plug but a thousands unplugged on there too and they all animate animate more than than before the fan which is still only be this desk size fan would spin on and not when it's off <hes> when they added the ceiling fan and same thing looks like kind of like a propeller spinning <hes> same thing for the standing fan but now all the lights enemy is well whenever you assign that icon or or whenever you like if you make a change <hes> they took yeah. They're kinda low like if they come on which is more than like off on saddik you know when thursday the other state now. It's kind of charming animation so that's that's cool. I it's weird right now that this isn't catalina and they're not on because if you sign them on catalina you don't get you see them reflected yet on i._o._s. and you can't send them for my o._s. But presumably ably the development train is just not all in the same line yet and it will merge before the release we presume <hes> but there's something that we've been talking about like between us for a while and maybe a little bit on twitter but there's a big change to the way that handles single accessories i think he mentioned a little on the show too but but in the early days now it's like this is gonna stick around. I i finally got to write about this week. Which is that the way that groups accessories that are one product but has like two or more different types types of sensors accessories inside of it used to be a little bit more sane and now it's it's it's grouped together in a way that makes it less cluttering three and maybe easier to go to for shutting out but it's harder to just get information quickly or control accessory quickly. <hes> i think is pretty bad and that's a a pretty big mistake and got a lot of feedback on story era which is just cold apples. Home map takes a step back and live thirteen despite having new features like secure video for home kit video cameras and new ways the automation if that ships with the shortcuts and things like that changed grouping is is really bad had a finally articulate what i mean by that in a story and included lots and lots of screen shot examples like the way that my <hes> eve degree sensor for outside temperature and humidity used to be two tiles and the home app one with the temperature eighty one degrees one the humidity eighty one percent in case screen shot that becomes one tile meyer thirteen that says outside temperature to sensors and there's no information on that it just there's no dynamic information ato yeah. I almost feel like rename that but so it'll be called temperature and humidity gas. I don't know what was in the encompasses both of those things <hes> but then you need a long press that opening up and then expanded the two which is not a big deal. It's just like one more press and then you see it but before war would i would do is i have the temperature and humidity on my front door doorstep co hyper local <hes> temperature humidity in the favorite section of the the top nine tiles and home kit and the whole map on page one and then you can swipe down from control center or a control center where it is and you see that information so that i i liked that information. It's like how hot and humid will it be because those two in combination mean a very different thing where i live in on the gulf coast of mississippi so that's annoying annoying. Another example is in my home office. I have eve room sensor which is one product one piece of hardware but it tells you the air quality which is in this case my screen shot that's good <hes> the humidity fifty two percent and the temperature which on the warm side for my house because of the office environment but seventy degrees on thirteen it says air quality because that's the first century in the group and then it has air quality as the icon which is a new icon of like a breeze but then it says three centers listen you have to expand the data so i don't know how many and that i don't know how to make the icon generic not the specific one end up calling sensor answer and then right below is going to say three senses yeah and i don't want to call it eve room because that doesn't mean anything to me in a relevant if i share my home kid access with family and friends i guess a i want people to be able to look at this and like know what it is and what our brand and parked is so that's bad <hes> worse example. I had fun writing this. It was a great venting is the vocal link flower diffuser and mood labs so it's one product <unk> mostly meant to put since oils in mixed with water. You can control how warm it gets to you. Know make the the diffuser work and have sent the aroma <hes> spread about and the higher it is faster. The water goes away so you choose but it also has a mood light built-in and those are two who very different things <hes> you can you can tap turn the diffuser on and off you can long press to have a slider so you can change from zero to hundred percent with intervals in between and then separately you have a tile light tap it goes on and off or you long press you pick the price level now that becomes kitchen diffuser as the tile while and has that if he's icon and then below that it says one hundred percent brightness except debris end dot so there's there's no like tap on and off from from the favorite screener control center now it's like you've got to tap holding expanded and then you see the two things and that one tile just doesn't make sense until you new information so i don't like that. We talked about earlier about strips about europe. Power strips have like it has like one two three different outlets on one parachute dickerson. The wall is a very cool locally. Make one called p._m. To e before it was three different tiles you could you could even the sign the plugs there's any smart plug to be a fan alight or by default plug and <hes> that lets you do things like allies turn with a fan and then it knows that that outlet is actually the device now it's outlet as a title and it says on or or whatever combination that's bad the final in worst one is the awesome arlo baby cam which is primarily a homecare video camera right well. They had a really cool update. After that could feature was added to add four sensors to that i believe in what you got <hes>. Actually maybe five until you got presence in soviet detects anybody in the room air quality. You got humidity. You've got temperature and then you've got to control the light on the camera itself the night light mood light that doesn't trump to win tile it is buried in a new tile in the candidacy bish yet it goes away and it's like super undescribable unless you just know what you're looking for and you then you're inconvenience but no one's gonna find this for the most part yet to launch. The cameras. Live feeds attack the camera carnegie's. You'll get a screen shot. You know a snapshot of the last motion caught then you the life. He was glowed lizanne. You've got the the u._i. Control i like listening volume using the microphone. There's a new button adult. Let you see like every censoring the room or or other accessory in the room then you can see there's centers even even if he favorite them like they're. They're part of of that very tile like you're not gonna find it so it's really not great. I'm enjoying using the macaroni mojave on my mac book pro everywhere else. I've got the new version of the map on the iphone. The ipad bad situation when you're enjoying the malls pantomime yeah yeah and i commented on like reddit thread a few weeks ago where someone was asking about some changes in the home app and how it was moving moving. It was like a degraded experience like yeah this this this grouping things going on and it's it's it's not getting any better and of of course is the betas or someone commented to say it's a beta apple's going to work out these bugs before it releases you know stop waiting and worrying about this but like these are like intentional features at apple's like had to go to the way to design <hes> we own the i._r._s. Thirteen features page she say the whole map now now has more robust accessory controls. They put it as a feature and there are cool things like the way that a therapist is presented now in you explain the tile as it looks more like thermostat like in the u._s. Versus goliath slider so they do some cool things there but this is not one of the things this is a really makes me excited about home kit and to the point where i i used to have the favorite screen lick decked out with glen for information and the same thing for the control center tile and now i just kind of want to put the home up in a folder and forget about it and just like ask siri for that information which you can do. It's no different there but i i used to be frequently excited about things in home kit get and this single change on its own. Just just is a worse experience if they don't change a thing just i'm just not as excited about okay which chris chooses not just not as good as simple as that like it penalizes accessories the offer multiple services behind the scenes thing it should be a good thing yeah exactly like these accessories are trying to give you more information and like mrs up now and before everything would be its own tile and so some people will complain. I wish i could hide this. Oh group together but they've whoa to fun now. Everything's group you. You're on to undo the grouping so you can choose your room like the the the power strip outlet things a a perfect example right so if you have two lumps the connected to this power to this power strip in your living room and there's one on the left and one of the right will in your head head those are not connected in any meaningful white. You've got one limp hand. You wanna hear it shouldn't be able to be independently separated so you can control one. Well you can control the other or you can see both at the same time. You don't walk into your living room go. Oh there's lebron connects. The power strip think like it flips on his head is is exposing implementation detail as the u. I rather than letting you be more accurate to your home would offer a ah the base level like this is one product with multiple accessories inside of it and that's i guess how home-care recognize it but you don't have to expose that to users and and by doing that actually doing that it that way. The the problem for me is a lot of described so far is that information is and i was glad to bowl and actionable without more steps it's required and that's that's not the end of the world but it's just not it's not better <hes> but the thing is like you could always control what appears on your <unk> favorite screen flicked patron of the whole map. You can't control like what shown in a room but it's also divided by the room so favorites everything that you actively favorite or if it's i added added was handed over to thought the favorite that you can remove it and people will complain like the home app launch it the first greens just way too much stuff and it's not and it's hard to decipher but you control that you can you can hide stuff you and then you can go look at it like a room basis to see everything else and even done things like move the philips hue <hes> smart light ceased to be had to room and now it's at a higher level where it's just like in the home which is a good thing anymore is a positive. That's a positive thing <hes> but the way the grouping things is not they should give you if not an option they should they should do. She's a hole in the mechanism which is how they do for lights for example. I've got a <hes>. A standing lamp in the living room which is has to to bulbs and candles is bulbs ends. I've got two different hugh bulbs inside and and i want to control the top of the land of the bottom individually so using homecare feature. There's been there from day. One as you can group those two lights together to be one product acting like one device at home and the whole map as living room lamp and you can go into that in the u._s. and see there's two bowls. They're you control them. Individual wanted to but decided at a glance. It's one one lamp when you tap on the tire by turn author when you tap talk turn on right when you change the slider the brightness on birth control it that way because that's how it is in your at home and so that works they had a whole method for that that's still there but they need to apply that to the groupings office working and there's no justification haitian for grouping everything together not letting you change the even like personally i think the default should be everything separate tau and then let you tidy out by joining stuck together afterwards because i feel like imos cases. That's actually people are going to be one wanting like the power strip. You don't want it all in one you want to separate things the the the the baby center camera yeah you don't want these this information hidden camera feed you want it being in the room and you should be out of your way to make disappear you really really want to know always going by default and the the stupid thing with hugh the degrees like the public example whereas before you at two tires that showed you information that regularly changed and now you've got one tile that doesn't show you any information at changes like the degrees not gonna sport. What a new sensor every day. It's always just going to say two sentences right on it. Like what's the point in that is stupid and no human would design it that way earlier betas it would say the temperature you had to expand span dizzy humidity and they made it worse i they take away the one piece of information and now at zero information so yeah and on top of all of this stuff even when you do go in to see the grouped accessories. They've made some of those designs worse in my opinion you jump in on the four four small clugston together. They lose bad like i it seems that the using some kind of like algorithm to lay out group accessories whereas before because he's an individual accessory was on its own they have a human oversee design each accessory interface whereas now when they grouped together they kind of have to like stack and it doesn't look good it and the time that you don't even have labels that you can have two lights in a group but you don't know which is which is like there's so much madness too and it's the ability to group stuff together because before it was only like you group together you couldn't group together sentences or they send it randy lies so they the functionality to greet more stuff together is is a good thing but it should not be mandated that all this stuff is grouped by which the host accessory it comes from consent are filed feedback and the feedback app longtime ago. I never any responses back that i followed. I know in the early days. People were getting like fast feedback from the feedback. You know i never got a single response john's but i i still diligently. Try to file the feedback that i think i've thought about twenty feedbacks since i was thirteen come out and i've got zero response response to any of them will not that's okay. That's okay but at least at least in at least in the days of radar you get motors jeep now now don't get stuff mardi yeah some of which has been fixed and later betas but <hes> it's a big system. It's busy but <hes> my point there is that when i wrote with the story i had a lot of people i think ninety nine percent of people who were like yeah. That's not bad if you're like well. That's the way that a._p._i. Were the framework quirks and so it makes more sense for a developer but now not for consumers but the reason i wrote the story is that yeah i mean and you can follow if backed radar whatever <hes> you can tweet about it and i think there's a level you know when we tweet we have an audience and so so people including it apple. Oh see that but the biggest way for me to try and get this message at the chain is to write a story us at the grocery store and so i ah louis started out as like a screen shot and tweet and i was like i could do that but there's a lot more to explain in show and say here so that's where we're went <hes> vile thing i'll say on this is that <hes> the fix this gas is you can use to use apple's home app to control homecare accessories stories you know before there was a home out. There were party home apps including an app called home. <hes> eve has a free app to manage eve accessories which are plenty india and they're usually pretty good but it's it's a home kit app so you can manage everything there too. There were very few things that are only in the home app from apple and there are some things that are only in third party apps that are part of the home kit framework always been weird. We're difference but that's kind out of the fixes like you know. Maybe find a good home. Kit app could is an apples. If you know if that's what this comes onto you and i've since the hama has existed of the party won it can it can do different things <hes> master so i'm gonna use but this mickley think maybe i'll just try and find a good party up if if they don't change too yeah like i really liked the map as it was an honest twelve now on the mac on i._r._s. So saying hi it's such a shame and and for instance the matt begets special privileges control center where you see your favorite accessories <hes> an effort to do that right yeah so you didn't get any preference and was really frustrating to me is this is gonna get changed eventually. It's such a mirror of like the change they distribute change they didn't i was twelve where they got rid of the camera unfor- facetime and then oh surprising november it came back. It was but we were talking about it for months right. It was it was everybody is is the flip camera change. No no twelve wins airships still not the to a quick one shifts twelve at one put one ships. They fixed it. Finally this is going to happen here in one way or another whether he pointed it feels like it's just like why. Why is it got to this point like it's clearly wrong yeah. It's like this year. It's going to be in the loop protect selection. <hes> the text is he's going to get changed as you can. Just feel it in your blood like he you don't you don't need to be like a part designer and engineer you can use this stuff is so blatantly not great and aggressions from what i have before yeah very very specific things in general i always thirteen in dates very exciting and i've been happy with the betas all along and you know if you say to upgrade aid yes long it. All yourself was compatible especially on the mac with dropping thirty but <hes> yeah and i love things like dark mode and you know it probably lots of other things. I can't think of at the moment but that's just a big downer for me is the way that that could change the komo say. Is that even if you can look at you like there. You can't developers can't make us for the mac because is the framework is a._p._i. Developers can tap into to make an app fred iowa's and ipod before apple made one. That's exist. They've never allowed that on the mac. Even though there is a home out there maybe get framingham makistill private yeah and even with coddling catalyst. I guess that's still the case so the congo. You can't make it home cap for maximum yeah all right. Let's let's talk about something different which is what's going on with apple t._v. Plus that's apples. Also you know again. That's apples tv eventually movie service original content to kind of compete with netflix and similar thing so first off. I'll just mentioned that that we last week we discussed the teaser trailer for the the morning. Show show the the morning show with jennifer aniston reese witherspoon soon and steve carrell and we didn't. I don't even have a whole lot. I heard from that but this this week we because the teaser trailer was silly. Re-showing didn't show i <hes> but this week we got like manhattan two minute long trailer with appropriate which is much more telling in their friends with the marketing for that specific show like way up <hes>. I think the nice thing about the trailer is that it shows the conflict between character. <hes> you kind of get a sense before he knew it was kind of like the behind the scenes of the drama <hes> in the media world you know zipping this case morning new show <hes> <hes> based on based on a book and design for but you can see how that idea is modernized for what we see in in the news today <hes> and then specifically for for the characters you see conflict between everybody and how like sucrose characters kind of like <hes> ashamed character kind of a bad guy not a villain but just kind of the bad guy in the show and then jennifer aniston kind of being the lead character after has has is an interesting place where steve curl gets fired and then she kind of like them under the buzz but then his replacement is reached witherspoon and there's a conflict between dinner financing which with us because she thinks that reese witherspoon as the talent he will come in and take over per show <hes> <hes> and then and then reach back into steep curls world and try and it's the conflicts in friendships and everything so yes aniston's. This character is essentially showing the good news. I only write these. She's she's hiding some of the bad stuff and then recess. Lisa carter obviously joins the show and says all. I look up to you so much because you tell the news stories you tell the truth and clearly not the case so you can see how that's going to unravel yeah so there's there's lots of different elements like the metoo movement and even like truth in news and everything and in house depicted and then dis- conflicts between a <hes> colleagues i liked that this trailer like opened up that part of what the show will be with the saliva relationships and how they interact so it's much. It's more a much better retention and sell you on the show. If it's your thing they've also increased the the way that the using social media everything everything so for example this week and instagram story was teasing out the show they had lost a tweet mr campos and facebook page. They're really marketing this thing in a big way that that's the trailer <hes> the other thing is a two reports this week one from the financial times right and i and blend from <hes> included mark micromanage or or or as adversary mark i'm blooberg <hes> about pricing launch plans and everything so which there from the reports say the reason that apple is running much social media page encouragement for the morning chez is there spending money on the financial times story was essentially how apple's budget is growing for original content a report boy like in two thousand seventeen and they were going to spend a billion dollars in the first year and now it seems like they've already committed six billion dollars total so it's not it's not six expe- indulged for one year where the programming but today so far they've committed six billion dollars worth of staff and it seems to beat us any over a two year period essentially so they're still they basically tripled what they were gonna spend to secure movies to secure shies and apparently a single episode of the morning show will cost apple more than it cost to make an episode again thrones which is kind of insane because the morning show. You're not going to have that much visual effects and c._g._i. Yeah i and that's a huge money. Sink and gamma thrones would have movie quality effects on every episode and it seems like i was going to eclipse them. I'm in paradise spending and they i think the number was three hundred million on two seasons of the morning show which works out to fifty million dollars an episode episode and presumably they just go back to salaries for the headline kost because i was gonna spend really like the morning show how <hes> intricate an incredible assess are gonna be. You know he's not going to have a visual effects budget really right so those spending a lot of money and oversee the the question is are they actually going to make a success out of this thing and that's kind of a knox report from bloomberg kind of lend into talking about different options that apple has been discussing for the kind of apple t._v. plus launch office. They've said he's coming this four. Mark says they're looking november so not september us and not in line with defines. Apparently it's gonna not presumably not the full contents ready and it said he. He said that they have at least five shows radio guy this fool. The big question is is the enough to get people going because you you're you're fighting streaming services that have massive backlogs and apple t._v. Plus does not have a backout load of stuff is only original shows and you're going to the gate with you know five ten fifteen shows tops really fifteen shows and movies and they said they're gonna add more every month but it's gonna be a while before there's a decent catalog there and apparently they've been quote unquote weighing nine price point like he's going to be a hard sodas lisa i to be out of south africa v plus at ten dollars a month when you've only got twelve shows yeah it's it's tricky i mean we we saw on the news this week about more information about disney plies which is a whole lot of content for a very good price you know what is it like eight bucks. Seven doesn't seven bucks yeah even better <hes> and so. I think the news there was that it will be on apple t._v. One hundred percent <hes> it will will be it will work with the t._v. App <hes> not necessarily a channel on the t._v. app but but just by integrating and that's that's positive i mike net flex. It's not an and t._v. I've definitely had a channel so that's tough but i think the challenge that i see is if you launch launched with a few i guess the best case scenarios like a big catalog to go license content for for the back catalogue go from there but if they're launching their own content is limited to a few shows like ideally you'd wait until you have a big allowed to launch but if they want to launch when they this fall with a few shows than if you had the price be low and then gradually raise it based on the amount of shows there would be tricky to like having price from the start and then adding more content is becomes the better better value. It's it's it's definitely a nata value compared to like what disney plus we'll have content. That's that's that's for sure but also with seven and ten dollars. It isn't like you can't have both <hes> we've already seen that with the way people that you use netflix and hulu services so it's not attractive though right like the star it will take time for this to be like oh. That's great <music> as actually a good service. You know yeah like you have to have good content and you have to have a decent slate of content and there's a question malcolm stops apps can be good or not but i think they at least the the tip of the story lines and stuff. We've seen seems to be some good show dramas and narrative and stuff going on there but just in terms of numbers. They're going to struggle getting out like i feel like they're going to have to have a really long free trial or something to get people to subscribe because you need to get through the christmas period of the money having twelve stop like if if they're adding two shows a month by june the elevated like another they're basically doubled cow look right in addition to having new episodes of oil of the shows that lewis of expanding into the new the new shows and films so they're gonna ramp up and i'm sure in the long run. It becomes much more compelling offer. It's just that out the gate they're going to struggle so people in that kind of stuff i almost feel they need to like a six month three trial so that people get into it and maybe by the time that six months starts to expire then they drop like season two of the morning show and it's like that point gonna keep paying <unk> carrying the and season two is already plan like there there are many shows that apple bought the rights to seasons the show yeah yeah and part to make their you know their purchase better like you know with their competing with other words show would have gone if apple t._v. Positive exist you know now the whole by two seasons and commit to that yes music has a three month trial news plus a one month trial yeah apple t._v. plus content so they should have the freedom to choose what they want and price. They want really oversee. They have to offset the culture production because eventually they wanna make money off this thing so even if you just took the morning show budget right which was six hundred million and then you divide that by twelve and then you divide it by ten. You spend like you get five million subscribers just to pay for the morning show at ten dollars a month yeah. It's an uphill battle in all of it is is it's a big deal because it's a new service and apple. They want their services to grow but it's not not like if they're if they're <hes> this is their only business you know like netflix can use investors and they can play with a lot of things that a lot of factors that way but apple you you know they they can they can. They can let their not. I think it would take a walk for their for t._v. During their business you know they can make a lot of mistakes and i'm figuring out they have a lot of money. At first it started out and they can really build it out and just be there and improve on which is probably why they could afford a really long trial like s in six months trial they could easily pay off right like he's not a problem for them to do that and to finance it may six billion dollars is a lot that apple makes a lot of money so well we can go for it and even on the lost any liquor mastery had quote. It was like the wrote monetization on the services is long so they were kind of laying the lane the framework to like silvio. The investors are oil services narrative right. I mean they're gonna take care of the world. I think they were trying to system expectations. The you know yeah. We're on that trajectory. We're on that path but don't expect. I was plus subscriptions to have a meaningful impact on like one holiday earnings. Even the first iphone was unlike that either did take time to expand the a massive hit yeah but if the morning show is on successful money they've thrown away. If you know what i mean well it's definitely risk a lot risk. They've at the worst beats twice with this this whole deal so which is not a great big apple's. What was what was the facebook f._c. Finals the five billion dollars five billion yeah so it's a t._v. Show yep. That's why it's so interesting to me. This is plus thing is that i'm i'm pretty optimistic on it and it seems like a good venture for them to go into but it's not like a surefire homerun. There is plenty of opportunity eastern to stumble into pick subscribers and have bad shows. Maybe or have good shows but not enough good shows like that's why so interesting to watch because they definitely putting a lot of attention on but it's not going to be like a smash hit from day one. It's not like when we saw the airports right those things look great and then the they exploded yeah some good parts and goes to pass and he's got. He's going to have a very big uphill battle. Getting out of the gate with ah twelve shows anything more from t._v. Plus for you are the only other thing was the mom said the apple was undecided on how they were going to release the episodes and oversee we before they're going to do like a net fixed realis- ho season a time one of the things that might mentioned they were considering releasing the first three episodes together and then going week by week yeah which is compromising both directions. I think we by weak system a lot because especially when you have smoother content library you don't wanna have a droplet once and have nothing else the rest of the month like at least you can have new episodes everyday a centrally like if you have shows that means. You're releasing the new episodes of day right like of course a week so if you're doing by if you release them all at once you're going to run out. I won't say for me like we by weak over choice but racing's three to go with maybes k. because then you can at least get people or they would kind of implant short trial but he's like we're going to give you three free episodes and then we want you to be hooked for episode four essentially what if the trial isn't isn't time period but as you know the number of shows like what you get is. You can watch this show three times. You can watch that show a a three episodes. It's like a trial a number of episodes per series and that's your trial and then you can in those and that's that's what reviewers reviewers get when they reviewed a show is like the first few episodes they don't get the conclusion and everything that's for everyone to watch but that could work. It's like it doesn't matter how you you've had this going for. You know but you get three episodes. That's enough to see this mode where you have three episodes that anyone can watch and then if if you wanna watch the rest of the season you have to subscribe yes. I think that motive is actually pretty pretty good fit where they need and if this the whole binge it you know and you can get everything in the free trial if you don't leave your home for a week and i do think that yes is is a very like like if you just had a pair ceos and dumped or of disney's content and all of apple's content. It's going to very heavily in one direction but you only need need to three. Big shows are like thrillers grouping an h._b._o. Does fine with that fifty dollars a month. I mean hey h._b._o. Basically became to nurture -iety of one show for eight years like threatened right. There were people who would subscribe to h._b._o. Giant over the two years they've had a version of game of thrones when there's sopranos or whatever the why whatever you know the wire but it's it's all at different points in history that they've they've often had one dick show that people subscribe to maybe a few but that's kind of what apple can can do to knowns can dizzy plus anomaly you know you don't i need to match you. Don't need to match quantity but there is a minimum bar and you probably didn't even twelve which is why the initial launch period is going to be a struggle yup. I'm very down on the whole valise when episode we kind of thing though it just feels to artificial <hes> and then too complex like once you get more than you know a few shows. I think if you stuck to that it'd be very annoying because it's like all right what show you sign up brand new as a customer you know and like you know months six or whatever and it's like okay. Certain shows have every episode out because it's been out for this long certain shows are we knew only and that's more like the classic t._d. Model of like certain shows are in season now. Certain shows are old but we don't expect that from the streaming so much lose some of that ah you know with some series on every every series <hes> obviously it was a live show. Pick comes out as this record <hes> but in this case you know when the seasons ready to go complicated to say this one came out in may so it's still turn releasing every week and this one's been out since last ask december so you can bend all of that and have that constantly kinda manage as a customer wants out what what's new and what's what do i get full access. You're where ideally the recommendations the featured sections of t._v. App should plug the gap right like even even if you are releasing the seasons at once you still have to track out what's coming out right like well either so you don't see it there. It's the same difference the it's just different. Don't the nation's at the same thing to me. If you're spending fifty million dollars an episode on stuff like if it was a pretty wasted dump essentially three hundred million dollars worth of content in a single day then have nothing for six months and they bring out season two like shortly. I think we buy them a law thing. We'll see yeah we will say. Let's let's talk about apple care. This is their service the gaming servers at the that they showed off. I and the march event <hes> announced to becoming out in the fall so most of this happened over the weekend. What the heck happened here. Yeah rambo see non-fat the country <hes> found a way to activate the internal like testing sandbox for the apple locate it system on macro catalina and so you could we essentially got screen shows of what the arcade screens look like. You know like not the not the sign up now hotel. We'll tell you in arcades out like the actual interface where the game's going to be listed and finally the internal beta actually had like early abodes of handful titles in so jeff benjamin did follow rambus instructions to get it set up and he actually you did hands on videos with or of the current like seventeen minutes of commentary and excellent visuals of like on video of the mac ah pro with like a beautiful blue background it looks great kitten of getting imagine him doing that but it's it looks really great like his his capture sure style and everything was terrific yeah and he had like he showed he basically showed what was available in each of the titles which is favorites which ones like student on along the boards that run there were only let the first level or they had obvious missing flaws but you could definitely get sense of what the service is going to be and they were. He said there were highlights was like game cooed sneaky sneaky sneaky sasquatch and again could hold lava. They look really cool a lot of the other titles on that <hes> do look a lot like iphone puzzle web kind of stahl games but we are at the end of the day only be seeing six over is going to be one hundred plus roster of of games and it's hard to really make decisive decisions on whether each of these games are going to be compelling north because here's a loft and not at the moment is showing like one level and there was even some that when you launch one of these games is meant to show you like an apple arcade logo because these are still builds it would just say in like helvetica text applied logo hair care related the game. It's quite funny and it's just amazing grace the opportunity to actually look at stuff because realistically this is only meant for internal employees to see and have successfully documented on the web to look. There's a records. Even if it's in the code we'll find it yeah and talking what was in the code. <hes> rambo found reference to a price point so the the the intent or beta was free for a month and then it put people on a forty nine percent trial but oversee that bayer price didn't mean anything that was just for intended completely trust us the system and descriptions etc but deeper in the code no exposure to you. I ran afoul of reference to a four nine thousand nine month price point so at least suggest that that's where they're going and opponents pluses nine apple t._v. Plus been removed at nine ninety nine. I think the most natural gas for applicator be benign ninety nine. Four nine is a lot lower. Like what do you think i <hes>. I think it goes from. We will try this for ten dollars a month and if my kids liked it will keep it going <hes> but they've got to like love it to you five dollars a month. You know sixty dollars a year the cost of like one console game per year. They don't have to like it. They can just kind of enjoy it but not like glove it. It takes the mentioned a few weeks ago like the idea of taking a portion of money likes child subscriptions and revolving changing which ones you stick with and which ones are mandatory they would have to like arcade a lot for a month. I think to me to make that like it stays in the rotation <hes> <hes> but for five dollars could be much more forgiving. They can just like they want to play every day and as a parent makes me feel good because i don't necessarily want them to play every day like if they play like on a weekend for five dollars a month. I'm okay with that. You know it's <hes> it's way more compelling that way and what we've seen the preview <hes> in video they say what hundred hundred plus games and they've even shown many that are not in the video that you couldn't access yet because either they're not finish out or or whatever what he showed for five dollars a month. That's pretty interesting. What they will release is going to be even more compelling so i it's almost like the like a great value. This looks like it will be value because you've got no is no purchases paid upfront games even <hes> you just on the deal with premium purchases and that it will be awesome and is for all the time the finding good apps to two games to let my kids have on their devices you know because it's so hard to find him in this <hes>. My preference is paid up front never repay again. I just just that their experiences. I have this and it's not going to change <hes> to to ha arcade will be we'll be like a breath of fresh air in that environment where you know you subscribe as long as you subscribe to get access to. This stuff is a real shame but the current steady apso makes it really really hard to find games scams essentially yeah or if you're willing to pay you know like the what is it the toca boca app developers and they they do a really good job of paid upfront purchase games but that i can't can't think of another who does a great job right now. <hes> the exception of the row right eight games download had the the white for or and among many of them now. Don't even let you skip the ads like and they've got very difficult like my daughter is six and pretty savvy on the ipad like oftentimes she will get stumped on how to a close in a interrupting ad industry shows have completely different interfaces across different games that close buttons on the same places they try and really sneakily hide it all over the place and if you tap one picture left or you've opened safari to wherever this was like tabar experience and then they have like some kind of gems or coins mechanic which you have to pay for but they keep shoving in your face you want more gem zero and all that stuff is problems to kaitlin have yeah and so it's really nice like safe haven for more. If i look at my daughter's ipad safari it's so it's like tabs tavern tabs full of and where did the ad in the game take her <hes> and i would love to whenever our comes out be like hey. This is the you know. These are all your new games at our caid will be within the app store and download what games you want from that section like a full-blown game on your ipad on the apple t._v. They've got an arcade section and arcade app and you know we don't know what will be in the arcadia because it's just a teaser so so is the section but presumably the situation. You just got to places to do the same thing <hes> yeah. I think basically because on the trying to push it harder on the t._v. Because it's like a con- so stay right direct his the actual game section and the popular on the iphone but the app store is kind of stagnant place on on t._v. Show us yeah kind of goes yeah. That's fair but i i will be glad to go through and do a cleanup of like. Is this a toko app or not and if it's if it's not one that i trust and know for being not scammy spanning spamming even i i will happily replace those with arcade apps and see what they see. What what what happens and it's it's kind of funny contrast where we have t._v. Plus like scraping together a dozen shows and then okay. It's gonna count with one hundred games at a dozen shows times how many episodes but yeah yeah yeah yeah. It's kind of like if if apple t._v. Plus was launching under under shows we wouldn't have been having the conversation about intensely lately. I shared the link to apple com the home page for apple whenever they replaced ah the top the top tile with the morning show trailer. I sent it to my aunt who is like cheese product but she's not like a tech person <unk> at all and i just didn't tell it like what to look at. She she knew that i was talking about the trailer dinner for aniston and reese witherspoon but but her response was is that apple's first movie and so she from just looking at the trailer like oh this'll be a movie that comes out and not recreating around t._v. Pluses if you had an experience like that with sharing a t plus the taylor for example with the <hes> morning charlotte to my mom and she was like jennifer aniston. I'll watch that so. It's not a diverse cast. It's white people it's two women. Man is not a diverse cast yeah. As far i can tell but it it it. It is interpreted like starpower. It is a big a pretty good play for one of the first shows you know we already know that bill will will be lots of more diverse casts and feature shows. They've already shown chilly. I start with arcade those that's again. Ah arcade will be in because his penalty sharing pay wants and everyone in your family with six people you in five more could access the same thing you can have your own game progress on your devices and everything and even like compete a gas if you wanted to do that. It's going to be good value. I if the price of the including the code is what they do not just placeholder. I'm really optimistic about arcade. Yeah like the especially things like we were just talking about. How do the kids games all on the five minutes. It's like i'm there on the on the phone in the ipad whereas all the arcade games have to be cross platform say you can go from playing on the five known your ipad and then pay on the t._v. If you want and then if you like even if you're you're you're buying for your kids but you got a few minutes in your new computer puzzle game that you can play through al-qadim on lamarcus world like it's a good win for for the game makers to because these are games that they just couldn't justify making in this way with this this pay method you know <hes> <hes> if they need to be at our participation paid up front and ads and everything if the an apples and apples basically fronting the money that we made like just favorite game from from his game play was made by two people in canada the entire studio and they get to take like months to work on this game. I forget the name of the one that he liked the most but sneaky sneaky success gershwin yeah yeah so the developers behind that they've got a very small following on twitter for their game development company <hes> i don't know what other titles have made if they've made anything else but <hes> dow theory things like a sneak it and <hes> <hes> it's two people in they can work on that for you know your month's time and they've been paid just like we discussed it before wrist like you get a book a deal and they pay you. I got the book literally that for games yeah. I'm going to be a uh-huh donna. I don't think it's neutral nine a month cheap for what you get. It's just way too cheap. It'd make economy embarrassed like news plus even even more. It's like oh you pay nine hundred zine but you can get these gains the halter price so they need like a unified front. Maybe seven ninety nine is is a bad place for like. I think four four four nine nine to say that's my opinion. Maybe it'd be wrong unofficially. They played. You know going ninety nine at the moment but that price can change say i'd i'd. I personally expect it will try but even at seven. I think it's a very good offering when we know. Is that like with apple music. It's ten dollars a month month or if you're a student. It's five dollars a month. If you can prove it <hes> through the university of program that lots of companies use your calls i guess and then there's a family plan and for fifty dollars a month sixers. We already know that t._v. Plus and arcade in news plus was already out. Those are the price for an individual in the same price for families this student pricing for news plus yet. We don't know they'll be pricing for t._v. Plus arcade <hes> <hes> but we do know that that so far they just plan when price for for everybody so so it isn't like the five dollar mentioned is for students yeah based on what they've said far. It'll be one price for everybody so we found me sharing with families sharing right which is even more compelling if you if you use that feature feature yeah. We'll see what happens there. I like you. You know we're we're about the discovery and what it is. We're not saying someone with an apple told us. It's going to be five dollars. It's that rambo discovered referencing code safe right nine zero. I must see what they're planning. You know it's not a random placeholder and it's kind of like the thing is like the small smaller version of that they could do a painting there would be fine too but yeah we'll see and presumably will see like the iphone event like i don't know why they would announce later unless they just wait until this out <hes> but presumably at the iphone event which we believe is september the tent will will know. Maybe maybe not about t._v. Plot's but surely we learn about all the mysteries from the event. They're all solved this september event. You think the i think the attention on the means their their will to better services episode there. It's just a perfect market opportunity. Meanest is not come out to november wherever they're going to talk about it because i mean maybe not because if we don't even if there is going to be in october event yet there is the type of event. Get like a third of the interest yep. We see that internally just page views on stories. We have multiple events. The iphone is is the big one of the year so makes sense finally. I'll i'll all say that the power beats pro totally wireless phones that came out earlier this year round <hes> april and may they were announcing four colors they launched only in black and next week they'll be in stores and available to purchase as a today in the three other callers that were shown which is <hes> ivy like gr- green moss how now but it's like a green collar <hes> a navy v colorful navy and then very thinking of which was like the soft pink color off white kind of color barbed wire yeah and so we've we've had all black safar these are these are the other callers that have the black case but they have a different colors of the earphones and the neat thing to me is that the color options wins <hes> two-tone the be the beat logo is a different color than the than the phone so pops more there <hes> but they said later this summer whenever the black ones launched and summer's almost over and they made the cut so that's the thing now and it does prove the apple can make truly wireless headphones in one color visit jaaz. We like the white on when people ask. Is somebody in an interview or summarized like why don't you make of your eyes and the white. We like the blacks eventually hopefully i do. I won't block by block yeah all right well. That is the happy hour podcast for for this week you can follow us on twitter and instagram graham on twitter and instagram an apology benjamin on twitter at bs at mac on twitter instagram and facebook and youtube and if you have any feedback for plus you can email us at happy hour and if i met dot com if you want us to answer any questions in a future episode you can tweet us or actually tweet in general with the hashtag i ask nine to five mac and that will go in our so call them and we'll see your question and when time in the future we'll try to answer those questions so thanks for those questions russian so far and the feedback on the episodes when we include those and with that being said we'll be back next week by everybody by.

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LIZ Smart Bottle Review

Hands-On Tech

05:26 min | 1 year ago

LIZ Smart Bottle Review

"Not all water is drink. That's where a smart water. Bottle can come in handy. I review the norden liz next. He's he's tweet in. This episode of hands on tech is brought to you by capterra. Find the right tools to make an informed software decision for your business. Capterra is software selection simplified. God visit capterra's free website at capterra dot com slash hof just when i thought that everything had been made smart i got the norden liz smart water bottle on my desk and i'll go ahead and admit it. I was pretty skeptical. Why on earth water water bottle need any kind of technology. Poor your water in your drink the water there's really nothing to solve here. Actually this water bottle is pretty nifty. In fact act it surpassed its goal more than two times over in its initial launch on indigo just last month. That's wrapping up now at least at the time of this recording but if you happen to the missed that the public launch of the liz bottle is slated for september twenty nineteen so you won't be missing out at all so. Let's check out what makes this so neat. This is the these sixteen ounce version. There will also be a twelve ounce version. If you want a little bit smaller bottle. The stainless steel bottle itself is pretty unremarkable. Honestly it's insulated on the the inside to keep cold drinks cold and hot drinks hot cold drinks up to twenty four hours and hot drinks up to twelve hours. It's also nice and groupie on the outside outside and get a nice firm. Grip got some nice texture to it. There's a nice rubbery round base to keep it from sliding off the table pretty standard stuff when you're talking about water bottle so what makes the liz special is the lid. I could show you hear that right. There is a charging port because it is after all smart but this lid can actually make bad water drinkable say you go camping for example on all you have is a lake and this bottle will you can actually scoop that lake water into the liz close the lid and then tap the top capacity the touch surface two times. You'll see the top turn white which basically means that the water inside is being u._v. Sterilized a process that effectively kills up to ninety nine point nine percent of the bacteria and viruses that might be hiding out inside that water view view light is shown into the bottle from the ultraviolet c light sensor inside the lid literally breaking down the dna of the bad stuff inside of the water that white light white stays on on the top of the live for the duration of the u._v. treatment and once it actually turns off you know that you can safely opened up the bottle and drink the water with peace of mind mind. You can treat the bottle when it's filled with water. You can also treat it when it's empty doing so. We'll actually clean the inside of the bottle so it's odor free the next time you fill it. This episode of hands on tech is is brought to you by capterra. Finding software is complicated but it doesn't have to be search more than seven hundred specific categories of software. Capterra has over one million leeann reviews of products from real software users discover everything. You need to make an informed decision. They are the leading free online resource to help you find the best software solution for your business. Checkout capterra's free website at capterra dot com slash hot. That's capterra dot com slash hot c. A. p. t. e. r. r. a. dot com slash hot capterra software selection simplified now. The lid also has an infrared sensor underneath there that can detect the temperature. 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Kate Erickson shares her personal journey to becoming a confident Entrepreneur

Entrepreneur on FIRE

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Kate Erickson shares her personal journey to becoming a confident Entrepreneur

"Lates that spark fire nation J. L. D. here with an audio masterclass on how to become more confidence in to drop these values. I have brought none other than my other half Kate. Lynn Erickson. She is going to drop a value bomb. She's going to share some stories. She's never shared before publicly about her early days at Yo fire but even those days preceding that and how. She made the decision to make the shift from the nine to five into becoming an entrepreneur on fire so fire nation. Confidence is something we all struggle with. Listen to these words by Kate. I share a couple of cool stories as well. And we'll dive in as soon as we get back from thinking our sponsors cut to the chase with Capterra the website. Millions of people use monthly to find the right software for their business just visit capterra dot com slash fire. That's C. A. P. T. E. R. R. A. dot com slash fire fire nation. Are you ready to think like an expert? We are hosting our first ever challenge to help you feel confident. Attract the best customers in make serious bank in the party stars on February nine one thousand nine hundred fire nation. We're going to blow your mind so make sure to claim your spot today at Yoyo. Fire Dot com slash challenge. That's ill fire dot com slash challenge. Kate say what's up to fire nation and sure something interesting about yourself that most people don't know what's fire nation so excited to be on the Mike. Today on a non income report Greece episode Something interesting about myself that most people probably don't know as I was a triathlete all throughout high school. You know that's pretty awesome because it takes a lot of skills to be a triathlete one thing so of those three things. What was your best volleyball? I wish I could say basketball but I wasn't left you on us. Well fire nation as quickly alluded to this is actually the first time in over two thousand four hundred episodes that she is joining me on entrepreneurs on fire on a non income report episode. So today is just myself? It's just kate. There's no lawyers. There's no accountants. There's no talking about dollars and sense that we made last month as just talking about how you can be more confident. This is something. That's both kate and I have experienced over the years for sure you know for me. Things go way back to the time. I was an awesome the US army which we'll get into a little bit today for Kate's you know. She has completely different story about how she evolved into a more confidence entrepreneur. More confidence woman and more confident person on stage and everything in between so. Let's not waste any time because I want to start talking with you about this journey. That fire nation probably heard bits and snippets of over the years to the income reports. And of course. Listening to your podcasts cates. Take or ditch busy one of the two or both and I just want to hand it over to you for so you can kind of break down. What's the role of conference has played on Your Journey? All the way from your early days in a cubicle. To now where you are standing here today as an entrepreneur on Phya maybe something else that fire nation does not know about me is that I was like corporate all the way through and through. I mean I went to college I graduated. I was looking for that job that matched my degree and I was going to climb the corporate ladder and I spent a lot of. You're sitting behind a desk because I didn't know that there were any other options and you know when I look back at my time in a cubicle. 'cause I literally was in cubicle. It was you know a time in my life that I didn't recognize it then but I was playing so small because I was scared to take risks and I was afraid of anything that I didn't understand or even know about I couldn't even get to the place where I wanted to find out what else might be out there. I was just like this is the way it is and so. I guess this is my life and you know looking back on that I mean. Confidence has played such a huge role on my journey. It's really been everything for me because you know even if you fire nation tuning in if you think about how many times in your life you've not done something that you truly wanted to do because of fear or doubt or not wanting to fail like I know for me. There have been so many of those situations and standing wary. I'm right now I can say with one hundred percents confidence that when we live life like that we take away so many opportunities for growth and learning and experience and for me really like true happiness. I mean living a life and comparing where I'm at right now where I approach opportunities with confidence versus. You know maybe ten years ago when I was sitting in not cook cubicle and I was approaching pretty much every opportunity with fear. You know. It's a difference between again super small hiding having zero impact. And then living this big life and putting myself out there and you know being nervous and having butterflies but being able to create a huge impact now going back to a couple of conversations that we had in twenty eleven in two thousand twelve when I was talking to you and sharing my ideas for entrepreneurs on fire and the fact that I wanted to launch this which you were always very supportive of and you know went ahead and launched it and then just a couple of months after that I was like. Wow like there's a lot going on in this business and a lot of things handle like with emails and social media's and crm's and all these different things. Kate what do you think about coming on board and basically being you know my partner in this as we can. We can grow this thing together because obviously I knew that you are crushing. It your job you are loved by your bosses your loved by your peers and people that worked with you and all these different things so I I knew you had this incredible skill set and all this ability and you know it was just in my mind. I was so like going down. That path of being an entrepreneur is everything I've just become one and I'm reading and listening about everybody. That's having all this excess. While I was just like Oh what if cages took all of that great news that she's putting into you know the Corp job and puts it into being an entrepreneur and growing our business? How amazing with that be in. You know spoiler alert. She said no the first time and then six months later fast forward I was finally able to convince. Come on board to the team but maybe talk about those two different scenarios and why. You didn't have the confidence to join just a couple of months in to entrepreneurs on fire but then why six eight months later when you did join you did have that confidence right so I mean so much of it in the very beginning when I I was thinking like you know. I don't really know if this is the right choice. Or if we're making the right decision by me coming on the team like there is a couple different things that were driving those feelings. One of them being that we were in a pretty new relationship and I didn't want joining the team to affect our like how our personal relationship was growing like unknown to me that it was going to. I think help grow so much faster and now I can't picture our personal relationship without the connection that we have in our businesses while. I think it's made it so much stronger and beautiful But for me a lot of it was wow John so brave and you know he. He's got it together and he has so much confidence that he's gone out and he's done this and like who am I to fill this role I mean. Who Am I to. What SKILLS DO I have? There are going to be able to make the type of impact that I know that I knew you were on a mission to make you know. I had so much fun and got so fired up when you and I would sit down and talk about your vision and your mission for entrepreneurs on fire but when it came down to me seeing myself in a role that was helping drive. That impact like the impostor syndrome just kicked in in such a way and I think that you know a lot of that is what was holding me back from taking that on like what. What if I disappoint you? What if I can't fill the shoes that you saw me filling and even though I knew that I had those skills don't actually think that I was using that as a way to me forward and you know when we did sit down and start to have those conversations about what would my role look like and how do you see me helping drive this business forward so much of it was your support and your confidence in me and you know having dot support around you having people who are saying like no you would be amazing at this? Otherwise I literally wouldn't have even come to you and ask you in the first place but I was missing that like. I didn't see it myself but you saw in me and once we started having those conversations where you would you know give me like a concrete example of no K if we start this mastermind fire nation elite. I see you being such an amazing leader in the community and without that you know we can't really have a mastermind that flourish because we need that platform for people to connect and support and be encouraged. And I know that you'd be amazing at that so it was. It was almost confidence that you helped me. You helped me see those skills and how they would add to it. That finally got me to a place where I was like okay. If John believes that I can do this. I can do this and varnish and this is why I want to be so clear about how supportive words and supportive actions are critical for your significant other for your partner for Your Business for people on your team like you need to be supportive and confident and positive with them because guess what they can grow into what. You're painting a picture for them. And this is a super random example. We're going to bring it up because this is exactly what came up for me when Kate was talking about. You know me being supportive of her and having all this confidence in our which I did but I'll never forget is I'm on the beach. I'm like seven or eight years old and I'm on the beach with my best friend Andrew Thayer. We just grew up together. We've been best friends forever. The man at his wedding and he was just always taller than me. He was always faster than me. He was just always like this great athletes and so we were very competitive. So we're just like let's let's race and I remember. His mother decided on your Marcus said Go. She was the person that said it and she did and we raised an Andy beat me fairly easily. I didn't destroy me but he beat me and I'll never forget like I was down on like Oh man. He's so much faster than me. But I'll never forget this. Debbie has no clue that she she had this impact on this she looked and like. Wow John you're actually really fast and I was like well like she just called me fast like. I thought that I was just slow because I wasn't as fast as anti so. I thought that made me slow. But no she steals. Lots of Iowa's fast and I took on that confidence of being fast. And the what did I do sort of being excited about that. I started like literally trading on my own I go out and I would do sprints and I would like work on my exercise and seven nine twelve thirteen years old and I literally by the time I was in high school. I was the fastest kid in my high school. I was the anchor on the four by one hundred on the basketball court. I was like a speed demon terror. And I'm telling you like I truly believe that would not have evolved if I hadn't gotten a glimpse from Debbie that hey you actually are fast and I accept that I absorbed that what did I do. I made myself faster because it excited me. I'M GONNA go. She thinks I'm fast. Let me be faster. Let me do this and that so just like one word. One voter confidence in somebody can make them great. Like I have a friend that I'm like. Hey you really are very like you're really good at facebook gas like you should do this. And then you know he's been able to step into that and own that and because that he's now working so much harder than he's actually becoming that great facebook ad person that he never thought he could be just like another random example. So that's just what I kind of wanted to break down and before I go into kind of my story about confidence I wanNA talk about Cape Before. We have a little break here. What do you want to kind of wrap up with on this whole part that we're talking with your journey with entrepreneurs on fire and anything about confidence? Yeah I mean I think that's such a beautiful example and that's why I say all the time express gratitude for the support that I have in my life because I know that it has made such a huge difference. I know we'll get into this a little bit later in our chat. But you know it's it's kind of like one of those things where if you just take that one single action to prove to yourself that you can get to the next step you create this beautiful momentum and almost a snowball effect of building on what is maybe just a tiny bit of confidence in the beginning but as you continue taking those steps and literally showing your solve that you know. I'm sure you an and erase at one point and you did beat him. I mean you're the fastest in your high school. But it didn't start off with just you and and erasing one day and then like a couple of weeks later you racing and magically beating him like you built up that confidence by practicing by working hard by proving to yourself that Oh wow I actually can be fast and so you know. It's not about feeling like you have to make this huge unattainable leap into suddenly being so confident and believing in yourself and all of this stuff you notes of small steps that help you get there so fire nation. I really hope you're taking in this process that none of this is going to happen. Overnights in honestly confidence is not something that you have at the start of most journeys something that grows as you put in the Reps. Was I confident podcast host? When I started I was nervous. Anybody I was shaking. I was holding a piece of paper. You could hear crackling. The background is I was whatever could say next was right in front of me and stumble over words and I would just freak out. I mean there's so many times where my confidence was so lacking at the beginning of my journey and still are about to interview Tony. Robbins Jack Canfield or whoever it might be like I can absolutely lose my coffin. It's not the contract myself and be like hey man like listen this overcome these limiting beliefs. Because you're a good bod gasser. Let's Relax. Let's do this kind of go back to my story right now. You know as an army officer. I came in twenty two years old. I'm an officer in the US army. And I had a platoon of men. I wasn't confident that I could lead these men. They had been working in their business for years. They've been doing what they've been doing for years as privates as corporals sergeants and so on and they had all the experience the knowledge to come in and quote unquote be in charge and they have confidence there. But I grew confidence as I learned the tasking. Learn the job and it was on the job training called in the army because it was putting in those wraps when I showed up a law school at Gerard. I'm like these are like some of the smartest people from college decided to go to law school and like now. I wasn't one of the smartest people in College. I was very average. I actually finished with three point. Zero four GPA. My only goal was to get my GPA up to three. And I was able to sneak by by the skin of my teeth and I was just like I'm very Average college student. And these are like the Creme de la Creme and I was not coughing but over time you know I was like well I can hang with these people but it took me putting in the reps corporate finance my first day. I'm hearing people next to me talk. You know they're talking the talk. They're saying dividend reinvestment in index funds. And I'm like what the heck are they talking about? They seem so confident in what they're talking about. I don't know anything of this but I learned the language. I learned the lingo. I made things happen. I became confident and I was able to rockets and again. I kind of alluded a little bit about my podcasting journey but of course. I wasn't confident when I first podcasting I didn't. I was confident on what I wanted it to become and I was confident of the People. Want TO IMPACT The business. I wanted to grow and convert. I Want Kate to join me but I wasn't confident of actually getting on a microphone and being able to coherently interview people in a meaningful way. So that's just all being said about confidence. Fire nation something. That's we're really passionate about ourselves continuing to build in each other on these new ventures that we're doing and you know actually when we're gonNA take a quick break. We're and talk about this more at the for sure so stick around till them but there's real quick I will mention. This is exactly why this is one of the three major things that we're focusing on. During our five day challenge the stars on February nineteenth. Two Thousand Twenty. Think like an expert. The first part of it is build more confidence. The second part is attractive best customers and the third part is about making serious bank making money making dollar bills so this episode kinnaird chatting about is all about confidence about why building confidence is important. And as we're bringing some things down here we're going to really be diving deep with those individuals who join our challenge on February nineteenth that Jilin. Josh scrutinized five are also running with us think like an expert so visit e o fire dot com slash challenge to secure your spots and join us for those five days. We're GONNA have a lot of quality time together but again more on that at the end right now until quick break to thank our sponsors because you run your own business. You have a lot on your plate. I get it but in order to run your business effectively you need to find the right software and Capterra makes it easy to do so. Capterra is the free online resource. Millions use monthly to find the best software solution for their business. What I personally love about Capterra. Is it simplifies your software search into just a few steps. I use their free resources and guys to pinpoint the problem and identify the software features. 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Podcast a month into my mountain of excuses. My mentor actually said she was going to fire me if I didn't watch. So I launched and fire nation if I would've launched when I was supposed to. I would have been one month ahead. Another of my business generates over one hundred thousand dollars net profit every single month. That's one hundred thousand dollar mistake. What I need to back then was to feel confident. I needed a mindset shift to be able to ditch my limiting beliefs. And just go for it as you know. Luckily did launch in the result of launching entrepreneurs on fire freedom. If you're ready to feel confident attract the best customers in make serious bank joined myself and Kate along with Jill from the nine to five for our five day. Think like an expert challenge. The party starts February Nineteenth. So claim your spot. Today you'll fire dot com slash challenge. That's e o fire dot com slash challenge. So Kate we are back and can aware dive a little more specifically into limiting beliefs. Because we all have limiting beliefs. I mean you have them. I have them everybody. Listening definitely has limiting beliefs in some areas of their lives is just part of being a human being. But there's some looney believes that we have to overcome if we want to succeed to the level that we can and want to. So what are some of the first steps that you took to overcome some of your early limiting beliefs and start feeling that confidence and just being this massive successful engine of entrepreneurs on fire a huge part of that for me was the awareness around at like even being able to call myself out and say Okay. Wait a second. I'm telling myself in my mind like between my ears that maybe I'm not the right person to do this. Who Am I to teach this? I don't know enough. What if people don't resonate with us? What are people going to think about me? Like all of those things being aware that you're doing that is such a massive went because when you're aware of it then you can take steps to overcome it so in the beginning is all about like. I was saying earlier just taking one action. No matter how small to literally prove to myself that what was going on inside my head was not actually true. I had absolutely zero reason to believe that I didn't know enough. Or who am I to teach this? Or what if people don't resonate with us? I never even put anything out there. So there's no possible way that any of that could be true and I read about the confirmation bias and it hit me so hard. I'm like yes. I can totally see how I've done that. My Life and the confirmation bias all about once we set our mind on something once. We are telling ourselves something once we believe something. We'll literally find every piece of evidence to continue to try and prove to ourselves that that thing is true even if there are other facts are other pieces of evidence that we can find to prove otherwise we will ignore them because all we want to do is continue to confirm to ourself that. That's true so by taking just those small actions and proving to yourself that everything going on in your head between those two years that it's not actually fact if you can do that then you're gonNA start to gain that confidence that momentum that snowball effect that I was talking about earlier and one example of this for me is when I first came on the team like John. I've shared with you and you knew this about me anyways that I really love to write like that's something I'm really passionate about. I felt like there was potential for me to make an impact through my writing. It's something that I had always wanted to do. At some point in my life. I mean before when I was in corporate. You know it was always someday. Luckily this was my opportunity to actually start doing it. And so you had said look I want a big part of your role to be just like take over and create a blog like however often you wanna post what you feel is best to write about like you. Empowered me I to take responsibility for that which was very helpful and when I started it I started with just one blog post. I mean yes now. We have hundreds but the day one that I started our blog. It was literally one post and maybe like a week later. I saw comment come through on that post and so of course I'm like. Oh my gosh checking at like what did they say what they say. And the comment was. This is really eye-opening. Thank you so much for sharing. This is so helpful. It's exactly what I needed to hear. And every time I got actual proof like that that literally showed me that all those thoughts I was having about like I don't know enough. Or who am I to teach this or this isn't going to be valuable for people that comment. That person left literally disproved. The any of that was true and so I was able to start with those super small actions right. All I did is one post out and I started looking for confirmation and you know other ways to gain confidence around what I was doing and use that as my small steps to continue taking that next. Step up that next step so looking at your two thousand twenty resume. I mean it was pretty impressive because you spoke in from a ton of stages. You've been asked to keynote conferences. You've led masterminds in person virtual kind of talk to us about that evolution from you literally being terrified you know to even get on stage which I also was back in twenty twelve for my. I talk to now at least hourly being supremely confident and in control. What did that look like? It was never like this massively. I didn't go from just feeling completely terrified to put myself out there to suddenly speaking on these stages it was those little stepping stones that continued to help me gain confidence to continue proving to myself off all the limiting beliefs. I had around sharing my knowledge and where I was out on my journey. And who am I to help make this impact that those were all just the impostor syndrome trying to hold me back and so you know. After the blog I went from writing on the blog too. I started sending out our email newsletters and Johnathan we were. We're in our apartment in San Diego that first one bedroom apartment that we moved into after we moved to San Diego from Maine. And we're sitting out our long dusk together in our living room. Lord that yeah probably like so sweaty because it was so hot in there below air-conditioning and I remember pressing send on the very first email newsletter. Ever stunned out to fire nation. And I'm just like I'm nervous. I feel like I'm doing it wrong. I don't know if people are going to open it. I don't know of those who do open. We're going to find it helpful but that was the next evolution and from the email newsletter. Once I sent that out and I realized that I didn't drop over dead or that we didn't lose the business or that people weren't like sending me hate Mellon telling me how terrible my email newsletters were like. Then it was. Okay how can I go to the next step of building a campaign and infusion soft and learning how to do that I didn't know anything about infusion soft? I had no clue how to use that software but I started educating myself. I started watching video tutorials that infusions off literally provides you for free like as a member of the platform started educating myself to learn and so you know I did become in some ways and today I do consider myself an expert and infusion soft because I continue that self education around it and then it was from learning infusions often writing campaign to publishing my own book. All my gosh when I went on Katie P and uploaded my own e book my dream since as long as I can remember is to be a published author and here I was in her apartment in San Diego publishing my own book and that confidence it got me from a book to a podcast when I launched cates take back in twenty fourteen who talk about like nervousness and what if this fails and who's GonNa listen and all of those stocks that they were there but I did it anyways because I had built up this confidence of I am able to help people and I am able to make an impact because people are literally reaching out to me and telling me that I am then it was a podcast to a Webinar. Remember when I think you were out a mastermind and mastermind in Arizona. We were guaranteed. The Wi fi was going to be gray. So we'RE GONNA launch Webinar on fire. This course that we're really excited about that. We ended up running for years and years and years and the wife I was terrible and cannot host the Webinar and literally last minute I had to be like Kate. You gotta take this literally. Follow my chair. I was like what I'm ready to like man the chat and do that but like you want me to actually run this Webinar. Oh my goodness it was like the scariest thing that could've done at that time but once I did it. I proved to myself that I could do it. And then it was from a Webinar to getting on stage and speaking in front of people and having people come up to me afterwards and saying. Wow that was really impactful. Thank you so much for sharing your journey. Like you've just affirmed for me that I'm not alone and that you know some of the things that I'm thinking or some of the experiences I've had like you've had those two so it's that evolution doesn't look like a massive leap to like you know speaking on stages it looks like stepping stones where you continue to build your confidence through small actions that continue to build on one another and you know it kind of goes back to what. I was saying in the beginning. It's like I was playing so small in the corporate world and even playing small when I very first started out as an entrepreneur for being honest I I didn't believe in myself and starting to like build up that belief was all about continuing to prove to myself that I could do and that requires action action. Fire nation be action oriented and every single time. I hear Kate's talk about one of these stories. It literally brings me to like the old days when I go to these karaoke bars and I think a lot of people listening. You've been to a carrier could borrow. You've been to a place. They've been singing Karaoke and always. There's one person that like their friends like. Oh my God you should go out there and saying no no made me saying. Don't make me saying. And then like they get pushed on stays there so embarrassed then the song starts and they start singing a couple lies in the really just kind of awkward about or they're feeling super nervous but then you know they kind of hit the right chord they start swaying a little bit the crowds into it a little bit and then like by Stanza three. They're just belting out these lyrics and they're having the time of their lives and then what happens as soon as the songs over like arrange the deejay booth putting their name down seven more times like you can't get them off stage again. It's as if that's the reality like. You're not coughing right now because you're not doing that thing your confidence is lacking in Xyz. Because you haven't done X. Y. OR Z. And then done X Y Z and X Y Z. Is Putting in those reps like it took me ten fifty hundreds of episodes you know before. I felt super super coughing after a lot. Better after fifty like a lot better after one hundred. I'm like I got this and they have continued to upgrade my confidence in these things that I do by putting the wraps by putting in the time and Kate what I want to end now with is the call to action for everybody here today about our five day challenge. Now we'RE NOT GONNA go into super depth about it because they can go to fire dot com slash challenge Siesta video. That Jill and I put together. It's so great you gotTa Watch. It has all the details about the challenge over at E. O. Fire Dot com slash. Challenge real quick. I'll give my quick some up Kate at a few things too. It's and they were going to say goodbye. But fire nation. This challenge is Kate. Ni- stepping out of our comfort zone. Because we've never run a challenge before we've never done this. We're teaming up Jilin Josh. We never teamed up with people in this manner before. But we're going all out for these five days we're going to so overdeliver you gonNA have access to myself to K- to Jill Josh everyday for these five days starting on February nineteenth and again. We're going to talk about the three major tenants of building more confidence. You becoming more confidence and then one of your more confident. Now we attract the right customers for your business and then of course the last step is we're going to talk about making serious bank dollar dollar bills revenue up the Wiz you so fire nation. This is my call to action checkout. Eeo Fire Com slash challenge. All the details are there. Kate what are you excited about this challenge? I'm so excited for the challenge because I know that we're going to help like these awareness around those limiting beliefs helping people who are leading fear. 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Triangulation 416: Todd Moore

Triangulation

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Triangulation 416: Todd Moore

"This week on triangulation I get sit down with a good friend of mine and an awesome APP developer todd more. You may have heard of his APP white noise. Check it that casts. You love people you trust. This is twit disc is triangulation episode. Four sixteen recorded Friday. Today's September twenty seven twenty nineteen todd more this episode of Triangulation is brought to you by Capterra Fonda right right tools to make an informed software decision for Your Business Visit Capterra's free website at Capterra dot com slash China relation. Hello everybody I am aunt Pruitt Hope. You're doing well unbelievable. Always this is triangulation on twit DOT TV. Thank you all for hopping in and joining us today. This is the show where we sit down with some of the most interesting thought leaders and innovators in the world of technology and I have the pleasure of hosting this show for the very first time. Hopefully I'm not gonNA trip up in screw things up but I have Mr Todd more here with me today to lead me through and guide me through this and keep me safe. How you doing Mr Moore I'm doing. I'm do it really good. Thanks for having me on it. It's my pleasure my pleasure I've known tied for handful of years now. He's been a great. Fran ran over the years. I've learned a lot from and when I was given an opportunity to sit down in this big chair he was one of the first people to come to my mind and I said hey listen share todd story because what you folks on the screen and the lower third is tied more dot Com but it's a little bit bigger than that. You know he's being a little little bit modest but we'll go ahead and get started so todd. Let's go ahead and just allow you to introduce yourself and give us a little bit of background on who you you are in what is todd more dot com or better yet. What is soft. Yes so I'm a software developer. I Komo coder. write code every single day. I think I'd get depressed if I didn't it's what I do. In two thousand eight I started a company to create mobile APPS and it was kind of just a side Gig at the time and it kind of blew up into to something bigger than I ever imagined created a few apps that did fairly well and the APP store and was able to hire employees bootstrap strap the whole thing now see you started out as a side Gig. So what were you doing in addition to that. You know I'm I'm assuming you out just just delivering newspapers to people. What were you doing now. I wasn't delivering newspapers. I was working in Cyber Security. At the time I was really since graduating college. Get a computer science degree. I was working in the forensic space building tools to monitor AH for hackers and bad guys on the Internet right and packet capturing and writing the software to do analysis of of what it in turn is a huge data set which is something I really enjoy. I love solving very difficult problems. When you're talking about network packets. There's just is a ton of data and to be able to analyze that in real time was something that I was primarily focused on at the time and then I had a great idea. Let's try I building nap over the weekend and kind of changed everything going forward. You know this this APP that he's talking about folks that he's allude into it is white annoys and I know just about everybody in that chat room at one point in time has had some sort of white noise. APP installed on your mobile devices aces and I kind of hunches probably been from from tied in tm soft now that that APP is safe to say it changed your your life right yeah it. It definitely changed. A lot of things is at the time I only spent a couple of days developing developing the code and I think the mistake or the mistake I didn't make was I didn't think anybody would want it and so I ran around the house recorded a bunch of sounds like my h Vac and the crickets chirping in the backyard and I just Kinda put them all together an APP and figured out how to loop the audio so you wouldn't be able to detect it was looping that was really the hardest part of the whole APP at the time right and again. I didn't think anybody would want it so I was like. I'm just GONNA put it up for free. Free Yeah for free which you know I guess at the time that was oh you know. A lot of people were doing paid apps. You choose between paid and free and I didn't think anybody would downloaded. I was GONNA use it for myself. Put it up for free and then it shot up and became the number one on on the APP store door and that's when the emails started coming of course now see. I'm an android person this. There's no secret about that but I remember hearing about white noise. I believe leave it was it was like Good Morning America. It was some big. TV Show in something said I need to hop on over and see if I could find this on my side out of things so you're able to put it together for both IOS and android now back in the days when we're having to develop APPS for Iowa Iowa and Android it was a big story of going from a nexus device to some LG device fragmentation was the word that they news so what what was that experience like for you being a developer you know it was so much easier to develop on IOS. I'm sure what were some of your pitfalls it falls and battles when trying to compare IOS to android yeah that's a great question a lot of the android devices at the time and I got in pretty early in around android one point five and so it way back and I'm so glad none of my app support version two anymore that would took forever to get off android two point two dot ex. It was tough because you know in comparison into those early devices the iphone was almost like coating toward a pc in the fact that you know you could use a lot of the the memory on there air and you could kind of be a little bit more generous with Ram and at the time I was targeting all the platform so you WanNa talk about a really bad bad platform. I was on blackberries. Well that's right yeah right. and I remember it was so difficult to get my app down to. I think I got got it down to two megabytes which was just insane because there just wasn't a Lotta storage on those devices so here comes this iphone first Jannine you had you you know eight gigs of storage and from developer you could you could allocate forty megs of memory so it was definitely a smartphone. Mart Fund that was a lot easier to develop for and made and because there was only one at the time it it made it much easier to support and in the the whole slew of android devices that came out yeah now I want to circle back just a little bit because you you decided to develop an APP just over the weekend because you're essentially just chilling and board that day but what piqued your interest about you know writing code for whether it's a a a trs eighty or what have you what just what piqued your interest yeah. I think it was that computer actually the old trash eighty that got me addicted to do. I mean we we used to have as a kid. I was like thirteen and we had a subscription to something called C. Load and every month you get shipped cassette tape full of like games. I and I'm not I'm talking like Pong Level Games. You know black and white and you put it into the cassette player. Push plates a fax machine and you just load in whatever game you want it to play. It took like ten minutes to load up the game and I wanted to. I started to get interested in programming at that point howdy Eddie right these things which I think today it in either when I wrote a book I one of the first books the only book I wrote a taboo. HAP- move shake was I wanted to kind of show you how to get into development and kind of the way I did and it's like writing really basic video games pong and so in the book like the first chapter we right Pong in less than twenty lines a code which I think is really cool exercise and that's basically how I started as a kid did writing the video games and me and my brother would submit them to see load to try to get into you know this this distribution platform format cassette tapes while how things have changed and I guess when the APP store came around. I just got kind of that Childhood Hood Excitement again. It's like Oh publish in absence of this and people can download directly to their device very easily and that's why I just started started to write APPs for that platform. I went to see what the experience was like but but white noise why not develop a new thing gold calculator key later or something what what path you know because you had you had a different games out there and you had some type of productivity apps that were trying to yeah take over the market share. So why did you decide to go white. Noise is it because it was just totally out. There and you didn't necessarily think anybody wanted to mess with it. Hidden what what what was the reasoning behind that well I always slept like a bedroom fan and I thought that was kind of silly because it was kind of it was in the falls also little chilly out and so I have always slept to a bedroom fan of always felt it was you know I would always get better sleep. I didn't understand it but I'd always just on on a full fan because I knew I'd get a better night's sleep and so that's what initially I was like well what if I can record this and then create an APP that just loops all night the same sound and I wonder if the iphone speaker was loud enough. It turns out it was and it worked great. we had to do a little we we but at the time it was just me so independent developer and so we re. I was able to get it to loop as long long as the battery would last and that that was it it was really just a simple concept so there was no research behind you know wise this sound making me go to sleep so yeah well versus not just This sounds good. I think I'm making yeah and my brother at the time was a big fan of pink noise. The introduced me to today. That's what e- US okay and I got interested in. That was like what is pink noise. What is this what does white noise what Does Pink Brown Blue Lou and eventually I started you know working on the algorithms to generate those those sounds. I found that to be a little bit fascinating and even today like my go-to sound is brown noise and that's my favorite sounds like a waterfall when I dove into white noise on and the ecosystem if you will I have noticed that you had the ability to let the users of the APP upload their own sounds and beyond a net does sounds could be shared and published for other people. What was what was your thinking behind that where you just trying to build a community because communities is what helps APPs APPs grow or or what was your thought on that yeah. I wish I had that kind of thought whereas this this'll be good what it really came from. I was getting getting tired of all these emails going. Can you add this sound. I want this sound I want I wake crickets that I grew up with back in the country and I'm not GONNA fly out therrien record that and that's kind of where the idea came from you know maybe we could use the microphone on these devices record that audio and then create read an hour to the loop it and the shit that came first and then sharing you came much later but it was a it was a fun challenging little projects projects but nothing I've ever done has has ever been from my own personal research. It's just been. I think this'll that'd be fun to do. I'm going to give it a try and see that says a lot. you know. I'm I'm a content create. I'm sitting here in the most beautiful podcast studio and when I'm not here constantly just thinking about different types of content degree whether it's photography videography or writing a what have you and I find that my a best work comes out of it is just coming from my heart is just my passion and curiosity and not necessarily planning it out and that's pretty much what you just said say it. You know you you had a pat out about and said you know what let's just do this yeah. I think you do your best work when it's not really motivated by money money or anything else. It's just something you really enjoy doing in in fact every project that I thought you know hey this could make a lot of money eight maids zero monies and the ones that I didn't think anyone would care about you know those have always been the better projects so if your lesson lesson learned right here in the World App Dev Right. Just just do it because you want to do it because you try and I think that like if you're looking for an idea e-eh you're trying to come up with something. It's always better to hey. What do I need in my own life. That helps me. You know those are the ideas that always seemed to work best. The ones said I've I've done anyway and that's fascinating because I look at the likes of apple just to name a few a lot of companies or or or or software companies. They try to make something around a problem. Not Assume you have and I've never really bought into that. you know even even though. I use the voice assistance that we have out there today. I can't say that it's necessary for me to yell out to S. I. R. I. OR Google's Assistant to turn off my lights. When I can just go turn off the light well. That's because you're not as lazy as that's the only way I turn off lights. I hate light switches. I have too many of them in my life so that's funny you say that because that's probably I use my my assistant for turning on and off lights and setting timers alarms and that's that's. That's it. You know it's it's pretty rare. I do anything more complicated than that. When you know it's amazing what these devices can do today now with all the technology out there have you in. TM PM soft decided to to link into to assistance things of that nature whether it's Alexa or what have you yeah yeah so we he published a skill. I think it was last year on Four Alexa and it's pretty interesting platform. It's got a lot of support a lot of developers or using it it's fairly easy to get up in up and going with your own skill we did it for just just for fun. Put out a little free white noise APP and and just let it go for about a year and then I looked at the bills that I was getting from like streaming costs because these are just dumb devices you have to stream the audio right can install an APP and then like with white noise for the mobile APP streams locally so it doesn't cost you any band with and it doesn't cost you know made to to then pay for those streams right so these are just dumb media players in the the N. and it really started cost you a lot of money you know and I started getting these thousand dollar bills and I'm like wait a minute. Something's gotTa give they got a they got a shut this skill down or I've got to ask for a little bit of money to help pay for it but it definitely is a popular platform and I think my strategy strategy has always been to get an early on these platforms and that's kind of been the secret to a lot of my successes being there when the APP store I started getting my skill into the Alexis store early enough. and I try to do that whenever I think there's a platform coming out that that is going to do really well now with again looking at existing technology right now all of the rave his been the Xsara platforms. Ar Vr and so forth facebook just recently announced a horizon tool that they're getting ready to put out during the while. We talked about it on this week in Google just a couple of days ago. be sure you guys go in and check that out. What are your thoughts with a are in VR Lauren. Do you see you and your company. You know just sticking your toes in and seeing what happens yeah. I think it's a I got to be honest. I got really excited about VR. I bought you know the the first generation. HTC headsets I was I was jealous. AH is so great and it the problem with is just it was so complicated to set up. You know you got all these wires tripping over. Obviously it's gotten a lot better enters especially with the latest of facebook device. They just put out I think that's Kinda was holding it back. How how difficult it was to get up and running for me personally we rode like VR APP for fun using unity and it was pretty easy to get it up and going and only took us a couple of weeks to build this this little simulated environment we were going to do like a a white noise simulator where you could go into the woods and listen to like stream water flowing and things like that so not only hear these sounds but you can kind of see them you division of the source if you will yes you can almost meditate meditate to it. That would be pretty. I still have one of those Google daydream headsets and I feel like I'm probably the only person on the planet that's still put that thing hang on and wear it because I like watching Netflix honored our youtube on it because it really realize it isolates you from everything else in in the room at least it does put on a nice pair of headphones in slide that thing on and just fire up something and just watch Netflix or Hulu or whatever and and it really really does just sort of take me away and I could see something like white noise being right there with it far as just separate new away from everything else. Jason just letting you have that sort of meditative time you said you guys haven't published it with with the growth of Ar Vr. You know you think you guys have put it out there in the near future or not really a high priority right now if I see if I see take off the the platform will probably put something out there but it just hasn't been a high priority right now. You know especially with right now. The the focus is is the mobile platforms. That's where we have the most traction the ANDROID IA s and but I think if you were starting out as a developer galloper that could be a really good place to to kind of get a foothold because it's still very early now you said when it takes off of quote unquote. What what do you think it take it will take for? Ar VR takeoff. Is it just too complicated devices. Is it a mix of everything thing because again. You have these companies that are huge. You know whether it's Microsoft or facebook. They're throwing money at it in intruding to to put some products addicts out there. What do you think is you know could be something to tipping points to help this platform just really explode because I look at people playing that Pokemon game then there's now a Harry Potter version out there and that's all a our stuff but if you ask the average person they have no idea yeah this is a are they just see us just a game you know too busy playing fortnight. VR When there's a fortnight out there I think you kind of need that level like you if you create some someone creates a just an experience that is so amazing it just gets millions and millions of people excited about aww that's going to be the tipping point once you get that many people supporting this new platform but right now. It's it's just it video. Games are Kinda weird that they got to find the experienced just just latches people on basically and I'm sure there's people that are just screaming abby run it like you. I have no idea what you're talking about. It is great. I I really like VR yeah. I just end that the the great thing. That's that really it has going going. Forward is all the game. Engines are supporting these devices so as a developer. I mean it's not much more difficult. If you have a game it's not much more difficult to kind of add add in that piece in so maybe that will be the bridge that brings more users over and we'll see. I think it's too early for me as a small small business but you know I have five employees we have to kind of pick pick and choose our battles here but it's not completely off off the radar yet and I do enjoy the experience in it's very easy to develop for so really just time and money is the only thing holding holding back from Kunar releasing it polishing it up you said you had five people on the staff at TM soft yeah yeah we're very small data mm-hmm now. There's another APP that I WANNA get into but I'll talk about your podcasts at later. So what are some of the other APPs on your your catalog if you will I I know I've played believe it was springer and compulsive of my favorite games. What does the other apps out there that our listeners and viewers could go and check checkout that you enjoy like. What's your top three of my own apps other of you of my own APPS so vanilla type? I guess compulsive is one of my favorites and that's the game I spent a couple years building. It got featured by. La Times Times ago it got featured in in the Google play store in the apple APP store and so we I spent a few years making video games because I was kind of like my my childhood experience brought back. till today just really enjoyed it. we're less focused on on video games now but compulsive and spill zone and springer those are definitely some of my favorites but we're really not focused on on that anymore but what's is it vis well. Why White Noise is focused. that's the one that has millions of of active users. and video games are tough. They're really tough. it's it's it's. It's almost like even though my was featured multiple times with like compulsive. I got hundreds of thousands of downloads a day when it was featured. It's kind of like a movie. You put it out there. A bunch of people watch it. You get this huge spike and then everyone goes onto the next thing right so it's really hard to to keep the momentum going in the video game world so that's why my focus is mostly been on on white noise which is something that obviously helps hopes helps people every night and it's not really an entertainment how it seems like it could be pretty cyclical. I started thinking back to to angry birds. Is that the game that everybody out back. In the day angry birds would not go away and then all of a sudden. It was like poof gone. Yeah I now in China. I mean they created A. They probably just beat so much money. They all retired but I mean tonight. I was with them up until the I guess the space one which was the physics on that was that was definitely one of my favorite games of all time on angry birds. It's just you know it's like a movie you watch it you plant throw it away and then onto the next thing now you talked about you know getting started in just putting it up there for free with with APP developers from two thousand eight versus right now in twenty nine nineteen. What advice would you give far as putting your APP out there for free or doing a inept purchase or just stop flat out pay. What are your thoughts on that. I have a few thoughts I would. I would not do paid APPs anymore. Okay that is just such a barrier to entry want people to download drops or make it free and then you can either monetize you know with advertising which is really the easiest way. I'd say if you're just trying to get something going. just put a banner ad in there and you know if it gets popular you're making money off of. Bush displaying in clicking of ads so that's the easiest way just to put in an ad had network other than that you can do subscriptions monthly yearly subscriptions if you're basically paying for for content and like you said the purchase is another one but inept purchase. I think is more better suited for video games. Okay whereas the subscription model There's there's just a lot of potential with that. If if there truly is a a real value add to your APP so that would be my phone focus on free. Give something away for free. Let people experience let people try it out. get them hooked on whatever never feature it has offer premium feature through in APP purchase or subscription. I think that's a really good model. It's always always funny to bring that up. Because people are it is pretty polarizing when you think about it because some people are on one extreme versus another some want the subscription model others other people hate the subscription model yeah and then you have some that that they want to at but they don't want to ads but didn't they don't WanNa pay a Ford and it's like yeah what are you going to do. You know how it can be easily. Everybody now you can't you can't do that and and that's the one thing I guess I've learned over. The last ten years is everybody wants to be free. Nobody wants to pay. Nobody wants to see ads. So what are you gonNA do I'm still trying to figure that one out how to make everybody happy. We're talking to Mr Todd more from tm saw a a good friend of mine that I've known for several years now a super duper successful APP developer and and just just really crushing it out there a really appreciate Mr Moore coming on but we're GONNA take a few minutes to think. 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That's CAPTERRA DOT COM slash triangulation capterra software selection simplified. God thank you for your support. Capterra all right back to Mr Todd more whoops lost notes there okay so we talked about the ADS versus subscription and getting folks started today I wanted to take a look at your your latest at where one of your latest apps if people follow me on twitter at andt underscore Pruitt you'll see that I tweet out that and I'm listening to a podcast you know I'm listening to something here on the twit network or another favorite of mine and I'm always using this APP called play a Pod pod now todd you've reached out to me. I don't know how long ago span but you reached out and you literally said Hey. I've been working on a podcast out. You know just in the free time you know. Let me know what you think. You were just so you know and I'm like man. This is great it. It is great well. We really don't push it. I believe your worst to me. Is You know it's just a just a little project passion project. I'm not trying to make money money off of it but let me know what you think and I can't share it enough taught so tell me a little bit about your spirits with player pied and what what made jude decided to take a look at it is it because podcast is the new medium of today it is. You're right about that and there's there's so many apps that let you consume podcasts in get out so you to convince someone to switch to your to your APP is is a tough sell especially when you you know podcasting is pretty much baked into the android and Google has their own apple has their own so it was really a project started because of frustration and that frustration was as someone who consumes. Thanh on a podcast sure everyone listening is in that group right. I got really tired of losing my place in the like like if I accidentally fumbled with my device and it skipped to the next track or it just went ahead or top somewhere on the progress bar by mistake basically just making those kind of silly mistakes and going where am I. How do I get back to where what I was listening to right. That's all I wanted to solve that was it that was the problem and I never understood why other apps didn't just show you like exactly every little range that you've listened to on your progress bar like I've listened to this. I've skipped over this. I've listened to that. I bookmark that so that was just the simple. Will you know idea that I wanted to implement was this progress bar and that's what kicked it off and I'm I'm. I'm really two years in. I'm really really loved this. APP and I keep keep working on it and it is it is a passion project like you said add so. It's fun. I really enjoy it and as you said earlier you get a lot of emails from people like with white noise regarding what what salad they wanna hear and features and things of that nature. I'm going to give you credit because there were a time or two where I would email you directly in addition to email into support team and saying hey you know you might want to consider. ABC or the and in a timely manner you and the team would work through these these things in in you know test it out and release it into the wild and get the update on the APP and I'm like Oh wow listen to me. You know well wait. You don't know uh-huh aunt is your only user Jerry. You're right at the top of the Hugh whenever you ask for something but and if you keep tweeting about it I'm going to have to upgrade my server. I can't handle this boy but thank you so much for for using the APP your yeah your your insights the been been great and yeah. It's a little project. Check it out probably a pipeline you apart player pod now. Let's let's take a look at some more of the Tech News of today if you will and I'm going to. I'm going to look back at your your background with being in information security. Where do you stand today with regards to APP developers out there they're wanting to start a career developed open an APP but sometimes that comes at the cost of the user whether it's it's piggybacking off of contact information or other uses uses specific details on their phone Google in in Iowa. They tried to put into SA- block permissions for different APPS. Where do you stand when it comes to today's APP development procedures in working with with those different platforms hat forms and understanding the needs of the user and the consumer with data privacy this out there yeah that's a that's a really really a good question a tough question to answer and a as an APP developers especially in independent APP developer That's something you have to take really seriously sleep data. You know it's a ton of money India. You could very easily just get sucked in in being able to to make more off of that data all right. I guess that's something I've never focused on in fact it wasn't until recently. I didn't even have loggins. I didn't in what your data like. I don't I don't have to be in charge of your private information. I don't WanNA solid. I don't WanNA deal with it. I don't WANNA lose it. I don't WANNA get in trouble trouble for having it so it's like for the first few years. I didn't have any kind of user data and it was just about like sounds and creating content and less about you know having user accounts now it's gotten especially with Europe and the European Union the GDP are there is there is a lot of things you gotta be careful about. When you're when you're dealing with with you know user information. and you have to think that through it's almost a consideration where do do you even want to support you know certain countries because of the rules that they have and the safeguards and you know we've we've ended up. Doing we have this like in play a pod and white noise. We do have these like user accounts that we put in recently and my advice you know as a developer. It's better not to roll your own solution. When it comes to that for example we I use google firebase allot for user accounts. They make it really easy to to create the signings is in there in charge of holding that information they know how to secure so that would be my recommend recommendation for anyone starting out most of our apps now we do use firebase just because they give you so much for free like they have good crash crash analytics which which is extremely important especially with android we're constantly finding devices that for whatever reason the crash and so it's a it's a really good free service service to to get that the other thing that they give you free is is cloud messaging so push notifications things like that they give you that for free so we don't do a lot of push notifications we do with like the the podcasting side just because right whenever new episodes are available but that kind of thing you know it's it's so easy to upset users not a lot of us like push notifications and if they do have enabled they want him to be relevant but anyway that I would say checkout firebase because they give you so much for free when dealing with that and if you're going to have user accounts I would recommend using them as a service or aws. I mean there's so many different options out there here that can help with user authentication account creation but rolling your own. I don't know I get a little nervous about doing that. MHM and and again I'm not saying you don't want to see any date or anything like that because I I'm pretty sure you using some type of analytics analysts to figure out what's hot and white noise was not white noise in addition to seeing. What's you know what devices crashing have. You seen any specific diffic- trends in your data that says you know what maybe we should lean into to develop in for this type of sound or this type of graphic or anything like that ed or anything along those lines that you care to share sure. I mean in terms of light noise. We we do track. You know the gen the general trends we don't really track which users listening to what sound but just the trends what's popular what's being downloaded the most what's being listened to the most host and it it's pretty. I like rain sounds without a doubt. Are the number one listen to sound. Everybody wants rain rain on something like rain on a tent rain on ten roof rain on a sidewalk rain heavy rain extreme rain rain going through leaves undone every rain sound. I can think of I mean I still get ass in some about all right whenever it rains. I think the whole world is falls asleep instantly. No it's done but those are always been the most popular the Brown Brown is very popular. If you haven't analysts that it is kind of like a powerful waterfall pink noise is very popular to and we actually published that on on our website like what what the most popular with the most downloaded sounds are so it is pretty interesting but yeah it usually falls into water hitting some kind surface in some way those are the most popular so in addition to being able to listen to to these sounds on your devices. You can listen to it it on on the web right yeah we do have a a web part of it where you can kind of preview and we have a desktop APP. the thing about white noise is like I've I've really ported it to every single platform. I can think of so it's on back store. It's on you you know the windows store we have a windows version we have of course IOS and android and they they all kind of operate off from this this this Hob. We've created that allows you to download new sounds for free so that's that's what's been for me as a developer. That's what as kind of been rewarding being able to support all of these really popular platforms and provide like a very important of feature set. That's really helping people relaxing sleep better so you get that reward and get those wonderful emails at that that and it's coming from all of these different devices so my strategy is always man. I WANNA be on every platform and you know that's. We've tried to do do okay yeah. I've also enjoyed using the player Pied podcast APP on underwear because you like you said previously you're able to create create a user account in sync back and forth whether you're listening on your phone and if I just want to head over here to office and do a little work I can pull my podcast cast up in it sinks exactly what where I left off and shows all of the little takes and tax of what I've skipped through. It's it's a pretty pretty nifty fifty feature in useful appreciate. We implemented that with a firebase. They have this real time database database that they have where it's really good. If you're going to do like you know a chatting up where you're trying to get real time comments coming through leary using it mainly to do the sinking part of it so as soon as you you know change your media eighty a position that get sick directly to any other devices and said AL firebase really does. I sound like a google. Shell right now but it's when you're an independent developer they did. That's a really good platform to get up and running on and so that's play a pod has been pretty much from from the beginning we built that whole sinking feature based on on that platform but late lately to be honest who were moving some Dhamma those parts to our own database on our own server. and you know it's it's it's interesting because I've I just feel like I've been convinced that cloud based services are always the way to go way or using. Aws or Microsoft's Azure or you're using at Google's cloud platform and they they all offer like a sequel equalises solution right but a lot a lot of times you especially when it comes to statistics and things like that so with the with the podcasting it's nice to see what people are subscribing to what's trending and so we ended up moving all of that to a a my sequel solution that's just being hosted on our own server and I think I think I liked that strategy. Where you don't have to have everything on one platform right you. Could you could move parts parts of it. again. I'm I'm letting Amazon and Google take care of finicky and protecting user data but all those other kind of generic trends and if you need to do a lot of statistics in quench numbers my pillow fantastic solution for doing that so and that that add has is very recent change in hopefully you didn't even notice it happened but we completely moved all the the ranking trending to to our own Tauron server. That's awesome pretty smart purdy smart now before we get out of here. I want to ask you one more thing to sort of. Maybe a little bit off topic but maybe two things so looking at looking at things today versus when you started in two thousand and eight getting this off off the ground and getting this this empire up and running what it sites you today when it comes to sit down in developing APPS versus obtain years ago in two thousand eight. It's so much easier now because you know when I first started and when you take the original iphone I was actually writing. I wrote a video game for the original iphone version one one point zero so you had to you. Jailbreak your phone. You had to download this crazy tool kit. You had to do all this stuff to get a working out and then I always came out with two dotto and they allowed for the APP store and and then they came out ex code which is really good so code is is really come a long way and you you kind of look at we're objective C which is still one of my least favorite languages. Even though I've kind of learned to appreciate a little more it's gotten better because things like arc where you're not having to the nets like reference counting of objects. You're not having to keep track of all in. That was the problem early early on we had so many memory leaks less. You really knew what you're doing. So as the languages progressed it's become more Java like in a way where you're you're less concerned with reference counting and and memory and and you look at and which even with Java became a huge issue when when you're talking about android to dotto devices instill today like bit maps displaying bit maps on android they cause I would say the majority of Oliver crashes just because bit maps take up so much memory. That's something that the iphone has always been better at. I think the later android devices or are more comparable so you look we were was. I think there was the worse when it comes to all my goodness. It was so bad you'd revealing confirm that Adler our yes it was. It was horrific so I I really like programming more on these mobile devices. You're having having to do a lot less work arounds. I mean that's still happens with some of these big. You know operating system updates you go. Thirteen broke broke one of our feed. They deprecated some here constantly. GotTa you know stay in front of it but even even with I mean when I when I think back to the way it used is to be. It's just it's a lot easier now. Echoed has come a long way android studio. I mean we were using eclipse initially which was horrible when and they ended up doing I think it's forget forget the name of the product but they ended up buying or leasing the android studio product and that is turn turn out to be really good so like starting out today to make an ANDROID APP to make an I- i- less APP. It's just so much such a better experience variance in a lot easier to and you still saying. IOS Over android from a development standpoint though today no I mean they're so close now. that it long as you're targeting android four dot four above which I think that's about to be deprecated soon but initially it was it was a better experience on the iphone android really fixed everything with version six six and so that's when they fixed the runtime permissions with the operating system which was just horrible. I mean the fact that you had to agree to like one hundred your permission installed time that was just you know. People are upset. They said they would get so angry about that. While why do you need location while I don't unless unless you're you know putting GPS to it. It's you know so the runtime permissions were were added in six and so since then it's just that's twin it really got good and then. I think they're both very similar platforms so it really depends if your target which devices are you targeting the two and right now even with ex code. I think eight dotto is is the the lowest you can target to now. which is which is a good platform. It's very solid so we try to do most of our APPS targeting eight or nine in Iowa and for Android I think we still target for four and five auto but it's become a lot easier to still support older devices as as time goes on very nice very nice and last question this it has nothing to do with APP development normally I get the pleasure of meeting with the and hanging out at CBS I don't know if I'd be able to catch a dish year but with CS coming down the road what excites you in the world of of consumer technology today you know you just everyday regular consumer up and you start to go to Amazon or what have you to start shopping. What is it that you're looking for. That just sites you. Oh ooh what a tough question. Why would you do this to me and I don't do not mark. What do I get excited about. you. You know I I I liked speakers now. I do like these assistance. I think I have a one of these. You know whether it's the echo or the or the Google Assistant I have them in almost every room in my house and so I I like having better speaker quality for music so I I really think at some point I'm just GonNa have you know more than one speaker in every room and the whole being able to play things in Stereo out out of multiple speakers. I think that would be interesting but the thing is aunt where we're at. We're at a pretty good place when it comes to technology analogy how much better these phones. GonNa get about it because you can only do so much to innovate phones of today. You Know Yeah Yeah. It's like how many more lenses are. They GONNA put on the IPHONE at some point. You know it's it's good enough and I do feel I mean I'm still rocking my an android so you know the Pixel two. Xl It's still a rates advice for me and I still have an iphone six and it's still very fast and runs great so in terms of smartphones you know I I'm getting less excited about that and more more excited about the the voice enabled products that are coming out very nice very nice because you also don't want to hit light switches. Either I get it. I'm lazy. What can I say okay all right well. This is been a great great time to sit down and chat with you my friend. I really really do appreciate you who happen in allow me to pick your brain a little bit and share the information about TM soften everything that you've done in how you're just trying to help millions of people sleep better at at at the click of a button on her phone is it's really appreciate your time today my man well thank you an- and it's been a pleasure talking to you and I hope it didn't come across as schilling a bunch of APPs. I really they really want to help developers that are out there and give advice for that and if anyone has any questions. I always love giving advice when it comes comes to the world. I've been doing it for over ten years now. So I've learned a few arrangements speaking engagements out there for developers. You have any adult schedule adult nothing nothing coming up so is just hit me up on twitter at todd more. If you have any questions I I'd I'd love to check out of your work on happy to give advice outstanding outstanding. Thank you again my man. I really appreciate you. Thanks appreciate it buddy. I write in twit army. I really do appreciate you all tune in and check out this week's episode triangulation and have me on the network continue to check us out each every week on twit dot TV. We go live at eleven thirty. Am Pacific and I think that's two thirty PM eastern in time on Fridays so if you WANNA check us out live hit live that twit dot TV and Hopkins at a chat room. 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Wed. 12/04 - Larry and Sergey Into The Sunset

Techmeme Ride Home

20:48 min | 11 months ago

Wed. 12/04 - Larry and Sergey Into The Sunset

"The tech name right home is sponsored all this week by Meta lab. Their slogan is meadow lab. We make interfaces for a decade medal. APP has helped some of the world's is top companies and entrepreneurs bill products that millions of people use every day. He probably didn't realize it at the time. But odds are you've use an APP that they've helped build or design and I'm talking about Apps like Slack Coin Base Facebook Messenger oculus lonely planet and many more. There's plenty of examples of innovative companies. That Meta lab has worked with and again this week. I'll be taking you through some of the case studies their greatest hits if you will but Milan wants to bring their unique design philosophy to your your project. Let them take your brainstorm and turn it into the next billion dollar APP from idea sketched on the back of a Napkin to a final shipped product. Check them out at medal APP dot. Co That's Meta lab dot co and when you get in touch as always tell them. Brian Saint you welcome to the tech name right home for Wednesday December fourth. Two thousand nine hundred nine brand today Larry and Sergei ride their segues segues off into the sunset a new entrant in the streaming wars more news from the reinvent conference. Youtube says it's our them. Change is working and the year that was in the world of Rennet. Here's what you missed today. In the world of tech late yesterday Sergei Brin and Larry Page posted a blog post announcing. Well let me just read it to you quote with Alphabet Alphabet now well established and Google and the other bets operating effectively as independent companies. It's the natural time to simplify our management structure. We've we've never been wants to hold onto management roles when we think there's a better way to run the company and alphabet and Google no longer need to CEO's and a president going forward sooner Pichai will be the CEO of both Google and alphabet. He will be the executive responsible and accountable for leading Google and managing alphabets investments assignments in our portfolio of other pets. We are deeply committed to Google and alphabet for the long term and will remain actively involved as board members shareholders and co-founders in addition Russian. We plan to continue talking with soon. Dr Regularly especially on topics we're passionate about end quote so the founders stepping down down from day to day roles at Google Slash alphabet. This was both a surprise and also not at all a surprise for a while. Now it's been an open secret in the value that the Google guys were basically checked out. Even Larry Page who was a Stencil the alphabet. CEO Even as soon was the CEO of Google and in a way nothing really changes depending on how you look at things. Larry and Sergei Still Control Alphabet Alphabet by way of their fifty one percent ownership of the super voting stock. They sit on the board of Directors Executive Committee so they still tell soon dr what to do and can can fire him if they so choose but at the same time. This is quite an important change of the guard and it comes at a super interesting time for alphabet as we've been discussing recently. The Google civil war the antitrust scrutiny the various executive executive scandals. Here's Casey Newton in his newsletter. This morning quote one popular theory was that they are fleeing something. Some speculated needed that they are fleeing a board investigation into ghouls troubled history of inappropriate relationships between Google's mostly males C. Suite and their subordinates. If you don't don't know the name Amanda Rosenberg you should or maybe. They are fleeing a period of historic worker. Unrest at Google others told me they must be leaving because of the ongoing antitrust antitrust investigations into the company quote later. He pulls an apt watchmen reference quote. It's hard not to look at Larry. Page's life and let's see a little doctor Manhattan in him. A young scientists becomes a Titan of industry in an accidental collision of technology and timing sending him into such rarefied air air that he all but loses interest in his former world. The rest of US shout questions at him forever. But we're just shouting into the void and quote indeed. This kind of reminds me of what an ex Google explained to me years ago around the time that alphabet was first set up. You have to understand and this person told me Larry and Sergei really do want to change the world. There's a reason why that sentiment is not just a cliche for all of the amazing impact. It's that Google Search and search advertising his head for all the ways that Google alphabet is an insanely good business on some level. Larry Mary. Ann Sergei we're always disappointed that in essence they ended up just reinventing the advertising wheel. Ninety nine percent of what Google Slash Alphabet does is advertising. Thus that was the explanation at the time for Alphabet yes. It was a way of streamlining the operations funds and organizing those other bets. But those other bets were there to keep Larry and Sergei interested. Maybe the best just haven't paid off soon enough. If I tell people all the time I love starting businesses I hate running them. I get bored. Wants things actually work out and run smoothly in essence. It's been twenty years of that now at Google. So maybe this is a bit of that or maybe it's just time but also and this is worth worth pointing out quoting dealer bone at the verge sooner pitch is rise through Google's ranks was well deserved because he has calmly and consistently delivered good products from the very first Google toolbar chrome Google's online APPs to ordering scattered hardware efforts. He steadily took on more of Google's user facing products. Until will eventually he took on the job of CEO. All of the stuff. Google made was innovative and smart but also directionless and unpolished. which is job was to take Google's products out of permanent Beta at the same time he's had to ensure future technologies especially those based on a I turned into real products for May purely product perspective effective which of course includes the look at products that make the whole thing go but chai has been very successful? Chai is not a corporate suit. Google is still google well and we'll still toss out weird ideas and still do weird stuff to the web and android all the time. But there's a sense of direction in the past few years that was lacking before end quote as we'll talk about on a weekend bonus episode this weekend now is certainly the time when Google could use someone with a strong sense of direction action at the helm because boy howdy. Is it looking like that. Company is going to be facing perhaps the biggest challenges of its life in the coming years so in that sense since maybe it really was past time for this sort of change to happen new entrant into the streaming wars plex today launched a free ad supported streaming service in around two hundred and twenty countries featuring thousands of movies and shows from studios like MGM Warner Brothers. Lionsgate and legendary. The back catalog of movies is impressive. Things like the the usual suspects the Terminator Apocalypse. Now rainman Teen Wolf. This is not just you know bottom of the barrel scraps stuff. This is stuff you might actually went to watch. Think of this as plexus answer to the roku channel and remember. It's totally free. Because adds quoting Sarah's in tech crunch judge today the service will feature both pre roll ads and traditional average but plex promises and add load. That's fifty to sixty percent less than what you'd otherwise otherwise find on broadcast television. Currently plex is leveraging ad network partnerships to sell those ads but says it may move into direct sales in twenty twenty. The service itself. Love lives right within Flexes Media Organization Software. This APP has evolved over the years to become more than just a do it yourself media player for home media today. Plex organizes your own media collections alongside podcasts web shows streaming news and music courtesy of title partnership the Free ad-supported it at content will now appear on the plex sidebar under a new movies and TV heading in this section. The content is organized in a somewhat. netflix style layout with image thumbnails. For easy browsing hubs for finding popular trending or genre specific content for example flexes also introduced. Several editorially. curated hubs as well as those personalized is to the user based on their cross platform cross content. Watch history in total. There are around seventy different hubs that could potentially show up here. 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They look for the charities that can save or improve lives the the most with your money. They publish a shortlist of the best charities they've found and share them publicly with donors. Like you for free learn. How much good your donation could do by visiting give well dot org slash ride home festival? Give well doesn't take a cut of your donation and first time donors will have their donations matched up to one thousand dollars if they donate through. Give well dot org slash ride home again. That's give well dot org slash bride home. More headlines from the reinvent conference Amazon has unveiled locals zones small data centers far far from Maine aws regions and made the availability of the previously announced. Outposts general quoting mostly cloudy quote customers can run outposts in two configurations in. Aws Native configuration. That uses the cloud leaders software as the primary interface and Vm Ware Cloud for aws configuration configuration. That will become available in early. Twenty Twenty Jesse said think of outposts as training wheels for the cloud designed for customers that want to run. Some of their applications is on hardware they control but also want to be able to take advantage of cloud services as makes sense. Local zones unveiled for the first time Tuesday or a little different different. Aws operates a huge network of data center regions around the world but any globally distributed network is subject to latency issues as the speed of light is a gating factor actor for some applications that require near real time feedback with local zones. Aws is extending its reach by building small data centers based around the AWS outpost design in strategic locations where it doesn't have a main region for example the first local zone will arrive in Los Angeles which is far enough away from. AWS's main West Coast Data Center operations in Oregon to cause problems for some customers. Bloomberg reported Tuesday that Disney animators were interested in. Aws outposts because the round round trip from Southern California to Eastern Oregon with taking too long local zones. Could help address those issues as well. Also announced yesterday Ed Sage Maker Studio a web based ID for machine learning workflows that offers ways to organize search and share projects data sets code and more lor and fraud detector an AI powered service to find. Anomalies in transactions. An enterprise search tool and something called code hoed Guru. A service to help spot computational expensive code a little bit of credit where do department mixed with big only if true department. You might remember that last year Youtube Youtube said it was tweaking. Its Algorithms the recommendation Algorithms to stop suggesting what it called borderline content content like conspiracy theories well youtube. Wants you to know that since doing so. It says that viewers are spending seventy percent less time on that content but they didn't provide much more in the way of details details to verify this quote. You said it was pushing users towards video from more reliable new sources pointing to Fox News and Brazilian radio outfit Jovem Compan- as examples. The company said that for searches for ongoing news events. Such as brexit ninety three percent of the top ten recommended videos are from Craters Youtube deems quote high authority the Company didn't disclose what sample size it used for that data or how many people click on the top videos under a given search urge or in what order to help direct viewers to more reliable information. Youtube said it had been showing users snippets of text news articles that it verifies Rafael as accurate particularly following breaking news events or displaying information panels that provide additional context that type of information will appear to viewers watching videos pushing people to issue vaccines according to the blog posts. Youtube said it relies on a number of factors to determine reliability including the amount of time a given video as watched how many times of videos clicked on as well as likes and dislikes. It also turns to about ten thousand contract workers around the world who review content which helps train it software to automate the process US and quote and meaningful changes coming to instagram. That APP says it will now require birth earth dates from new users in order to improve safety features for minors but also to better target ads for age restricted products until today. It's all you had to do to set up. An instagram account. was say that you are at least thirteen years old now. Quoting Writers Instagram said advertisers. Were we're not the driving force for the new requirements. Gambling and birth control are among other types of ads restricted to older audiences by instagram policies and laws. The policy change could help stave off passage of costly child. Safety and data privacy regulations as lawmakers and family safety groups in the United States Britain and elsewhere criticized the APP for exposing children to inappropriate material. The birthdate requirement is the latest step. INSTAGRAM has taken to move away. From long standing principles such as anonymity that had distinguished it from facebook namesake APP quote understanding how old people are is quite important to the work. We're doing not only to create age appropriate experiences but to live up to our longstanding standing rule not to allow access to young people instagram's head of product. The Shaw said in an interview with Reuters. He declined to specify age based features intesting but said age could be the basis for recommended privacy settings or education about staying safe online birthdates will not be visible to other users end quote finally today as they tend to do every year read it has published. It's it's twenty nine thousand nine retrospective headline numbers four hundred and thirty million monthly active users. which is up thirty percent year over year with one hundred ninety nine million posts this year? One point seven billion comments and thirty two billion up votes quoting tech crunch crunch the most updated post this year referenced. Read it's fundraise led by China's tencent which in February lead read. It's three hundred million dollars. Series D. valuing the site at three billion dollars users were concerned at the time the investment would lead to Chinese censorship which led them to flood the site with images that would be forbidden in China. One of these a photo of tank man at Tiananmen Square then became the most up voted post with two hundred twenty eight thousand votes. Meanwhile all the most voted Ama asked me anything post on the site was with Bill Gates which received one hundred and ten thousand votes read. It also noted a number of trans across us. It's over one hundred thousand active communities including sizeable increases in its top fifty beauty and style communities which grew more than sixty three percent and fifty two percent year over year respectively respectively to some extent these increases were driven by the blogger. Beauty feuds for example the are slash beauty guru chatter community jumped by eighty seven percent year over the year the arse slash skin-care addiction community was the most popular beauty community reaching over a million subscribers. Read it says wedding focused read it. Also grew with breath are slash weddings under ten K.. Up One hundred and nine percent and our slash bridezillas up by eight hundred fifty two percent year over year family and parenting communities grew by eighty seven percent year over year. The top fifty food communities grew thirty five percent year over year and several spirits focused communities grew like our slash Tequila up. Ninety nine percent are slash whiskey up. Fifty two percent are slash vodka up. Forty four percent are slash bourbon twenty seven percent and our slash winemaking sixteen percent the top fifty fitness and and wellness communities grew by thirty percent and quote. Oh and the most popular game of thrones sub read. It was a subset that likes to drag. Game of thrones rounds quitting the rap according to read it's Twenty Nineteen Year in review report which was released Wednesday the free folk sub read it is the most popular of the platforms. TV communities with the game of thrones separate it coming in at number two for the year. The free folk community is well known for among other things openly criticizing then. Game of thrones creators. Dan Weiss and David Benny off and posting slash discussing leaks whereas the straight GIO T. sub. Read it is usually the show's biggest cheerleader. And not as spoiler friendly free folk is also known for raising more than one hundred thirty thousand dollars for Emilia Clarke. Same you charity. The rest of rabbits top ten TV TV focused pages include in order the Bachelor Ru Paul's drag race big brother ninety day fiance teen mom. Og teen mom onto thunder Mifflin. Which is the office separated survivor? And Bravo's real housewives franchise and quote. Of course I remind you that our slash ride home exists. It's the sovereign it for this show where people tip me stories. They could end up being part of the show but also wear listeners. Like you sit back and commiserate with other listeners. Like you and debate the stuff that we talk about every every day. 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AI Translating Babies Cries, Being Suckered by the Barnum Effect, and City of Lies and Truth

Curiosity Daily

08:32 min | 1 year ago

AI Translating Babies Cries, Being Suckered by the Barnum Effect, and City of Lies and Truth

"<music> Hi. We're here from curiosity DOT COM to help you get smarter in just a few minutes. I'm Cody Goff and I'm actually Hamer today. You learn about how scientists are using technology to translate babies cries. We'll also test your skills with a logic puzzle and help view avoid falling prey to a common psychological phenomenon. Let's fall prey to some curiosity. If you've ever wondered why a baby just won't stop crying then I've got some amazing news. Scientists are using artificial intelligence to translate sleet babies cries. Howell researchers went about this kind of interesting because if you want to translate a foreign language then you need the help of fluent speakers so guess who researchers enlisted the talking baby from the nineteen eighty nine film look who's talking starring John Travolta and Kirstie Alley? No no I'm talking about neo needle nurses. The researchers brought a microphone into a hospital's neonatal intensive care unit then made forty eight it cry recordings these came from babies ranging in age from three days to six months nurses and caregivers used context clues and years of experience to identify the reason for each cry and while Oh babies sounded a little. Little bit different there were still some reliable patterns for instance when the baby is hungry. The suck reflects is involved in the cry so their tongue on the roof of their mouth that makes the cry sounds like a net and how is a half Yonhap on half price sound which suggests that the baby is sleepy and please excuse my accent. I'm not fluent in babies. Speak the nurses and caregivers helped the team source of the cries into five different categories attention diaper apor change needed hungry sleepy and discomfort and once the researchers had analyzed the way forms they fed them to an A._i.. To see what it could do they eventually trained to the system to identify the cries with a success rate of up to a seventy six percent. This is preliminary research but someday it could lead to software to help medical professionals treat infants and who knows maybe the next generation of parents will be able to use an APP to translate the baby's cries for now though you'll just have to wait after all the system is still in its infancy. We haven't done on this podcast in a long time a logic puzzle. They're pretty popular on curiosity dot dot com so we thought we'd bring one back today. It's called the city of lies and truth and it's a quick little riddle that requires no math but it does require logic. This is kind of like a little throwback to the curiosity challenge. We used to do so feel free to play along at home. Home Okay so here goes. You're at an intersection. If you go one way you'll get to the city of lies and if you go the other way you'll get to the city of truth people from the city of lies always lie and people from the city of truth always tell the truth a citizen of one. One of the city's is at the intersection. What's a question you could ask them to find the way to the city of truth? Hang on just a minute and we'll be back with the answer after this. Today's episode is sponsored by Capterra a free online resource to help you find the best software where solution for your business and that's no lie. Capterra really is free you can use Capterra to find the best software solution for Your Business and we mean your business no matter what you do whether you're working in a neonatal clinic or looking for Yoga studio the scheduling software you can search more than seven hundred specific categories of software designed to help you manage your business at Capterra dot com slash curiosity seriously you will find what you need with more than eight hundred and fifty thousand reviews of products on Capterra from real software users and you can join the millions of people who use capterra every month to find the right tools for your business fast and for free visit Capterra Dot com slash curiosity today to find the right tools to make twenty nineteen. The year for Your Business Capterra that's C.. A. P. T. E. R. R. A. dot com slash curiosity one more time that's CAPTERRA dot com slash curiosity sure sponsor some love and check it out today for free okay. Are you ready for the answer to the city of license truth logic puzzle. Here's a quick refresher. You're at an intersection. If you go one way you get to the city of lies and if you go the other way you'll get to the city of truth people from the city of lies always lie and people from the city. The of truth always told the truth a citizen of one of these cities as at the intersection. What is one question you could ask them to find the way to the city of truth? Here's one question that will get you there. You can ask in which of these two directions do you live no matter which city the person's from they'll point toward the city of truth that's because someone from the city of lies will lie and point to the city of truth and someone from the city of truth will truthfully point to the city of truth. Did you solve it or did you find another solution and another follow up question. Why would anyone live in a city where everyone lies? I just don't get it. I mean Los. Angeles is a very popular city cody. I don't know how shots fires we're not getting a T._v.. Deal anytime soon we we want to wrap up by talking about how to avoid being tricked by a psychological quirk and to demonstrate it. I'd like to give you a quick personality assessment. Yes you listener. The person who's listening. I think you're generally cheerful well-balanced person you're. I'm not overly conventional but you're also not overly individualistic and you've got a wide array of interests. All you have some personal weaknesses. You're generally able to compensate for them. How'd I do if that sounds like a perfect description of your personality than congratulations relations you just fell prey to the barnum effect Barnum as in P.? T. Barnum the guy who founded Barnum and Bailey Circus. That's right. He's also the guy who coined the phrase. There's a sucker born every minute and the barnum effect refers to the way you're willing to believe that an overly broad personality description is meant just for you. Sometimes it's called the former effect after a professor who tested the phenomenon on college students in nineteen forty nine he gave his students a personality test and then told them he'd analyze their answers answers and give them a brief personality Vignette a week later he gave everyone the exact same personality description it was full of unspecific statements like you have a great need for other people to like and admire you and you have a tendency to be critical of yourself for we're had gotten most of those statements out of astrology book he'd picked up at a newsstand and on a scale of one to five most of his students rated the accuracy of their assessment with a four or higher. The barnum effect has even more impact. The more detailed the questions. Nations are and the more authority you perceive the test administrator to have it also works better if the personality description uses favorable traits the barnum effect POPs up a lot in astrology tarot readings and even fortune cookies but marketing and advertising and can do it too by making you believe you're the kind of person who would benefit from a product a quick tip to avoid falling prey to this phenomenon is to think about your worst enemy does the same trait that supposed to describe you also described them if it does the statement probably is too general to be useful to you and the person you're talking to probably thinks they have a sucker on their hands. This is why I never believed in astrology even as a little kid because my brother has the exact same birthday as me so I I read my horoscope and be like that also describes by stupid brother and I didn't believe it of course not you're skeptical because you're a pisces before we recap what we learned. Today we want to quickly remind you to please nominate curiosity daily to be a finalist in the twenty nineteen podcast awards find Lincoln to the show notes or just visit podcast awards dot com to register then you can find curiosity daily in the dropdown menus for the categories of people's choice education and science and medicine. It's Feta Vote N._O.. Really help us out knowledge recap what we learned today. Today we learned that artificial intelligence can translate babies cries with pretty decent accuracy and that people might try to suck you into a scam with vague statements about how cool you are and that there's a sucker born every minute.

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TWiG 531: Buried in Rubbermaid

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TWiG 531: Buried in Rubbermaid

"Device and that would be of course the nest many pixel four and fortunately we don't have in house but that didn't stop us from talking a lot about it also we kind coming up it's twig this week in Google Stacey Jeff and all joining me Jason How we're GonNa talk we're GonNA unblocks very in demand diving too little phone history with the Motorola Razor a whole lot more than just that next on this week in Google podcast assistant stacey it's just stacey with different hair feel like you're aspires and did Stacy Wigan Botham was trial and by Capterra find the right tools to make an informed software decision for Your Business Visit Capterra's free website at Capterra dot com slash twit solve with with her aunt on no no no no definitely doc it's time for tweet this week in Google I'm Jason How filling in for Leo who is off an entire month the OS pretending not manage all your core business activities in one place learn more at Monday dot com slash twit and by Zappers Zappia connects all your easy Leo off you're not working you're here keeping the fort down was okay yes I think that's say I'm happy to be here Jeff Jarvis buzzmachine and software and handles the work for you you can focus on what matters most right now through November Goto Zappia dot com slash twig for your free fourteen. This is twig this week in Google episode five hundred thirty one recorded Wednesday October twenty third twenty nineteen buried in rubbermaid this episode of this week in Google is brought to you by Monday dot com Monday dot com helps teams manage work and meet deadlines while building a culture of transparent so you love from people you trust this is tweet dot com always great to see you sir also joining us Stacey Higginbotham although I think that's the name of the other you what is the name of stacy bright light sitting here reflecting office Chrome Dome of mine what kind of WIG would you go for if you had your preference oh it would definitely be a like a blonde Afro Greece right now he and Lisa in Greece they're having a great time I I was saying right before the show is going to save it for the show I love doing this show an earlier today I was like cleaning up my house and like just thinking about how much I was looking forward to the show so I'm super happy you're in a late Moog I in a door tasty on IOT DOT com and to my left and PRUITT's yes I and no apparently should though some of these days kids not a podcast instead he's he's being a world traveller so you know if you follow on the socials be able to see where he's going boot that's right even though I like dark mode on my phone you were at group Jeff Jarvis having you here Sir Thank you it's late aw you nailed it seems so obvious rain so obvious I love it Stacey Wiggham Baum Eighty of journalism with them Jarvis terrible in the mail I might send you a win. Am You guys have half I today taking the step back in time through history thought of you jeff today because I had a Migraine this morning and I was trying to do my show and I could not look at the screen and I was like why is there no dark mode for Google and this is before the shows that's be nineteen seventy four that is an awesome photo wow that is d yeah yeah I I'm not a to like I I don't have regular Migraines but I've definitely had something of of the level of rain probably a couple of years ago probably the only time I've ever had such a bad headache that like I wanted everything to end I was just like so miserable I was like this which in when your skin stops producing Melanin you get them Zola's do not spots no they're wisdoms you let levitated about five feet right exactly well maybe only three but I'll go for it thank you be afraid of the wig that he sends you wait yeah I don't think because you'll have to wear it on the next episode that's why you know it might be made up like NYC rep pellets or something and I'm not software is seventy four official Chicago Police Department Press Pass Wow that's awesome it's like being at the news right a lot he was trying for tip yup that's actually so that's when Sunday not up for that or aces in late mode use stacey are in dark boat either your wig is very light so any some years now but I did a little bit locally back home in Charlotte I what did you bottle most of the time it was just closed and sometimes um how's the leg right now it's Oh can't you I'm freaking happy man took it it's amazing when they end how how it really stop teasing Jeff about his his wisdom and experience in the world so I was at the well you know we're going to the old guy thing I have my colonoscopy last Friday if you want to hear anything about I'd be happy to they did what Google in a second but first what is this about modeling model Oh yeah I did well next week we should a picture of you with hair who me yeah oh I can do that I can do there's new treatments that would be no you young people it's coming to you yes I did watch out so so I was at the dermatologist sporting were these clothes you would have worn weren't paid to Oh yeah okay it was a good fit it was a lot of fun I was a lot younger back then and is what the people who have migraines is probably what they experience brutal yes it is it makes you hate life uh-huh great idea all right so we know what we're doing next week as for this week we'll spend a whole episode on on your model at hand modeling and hand modelling by the time it was closed and just just be in me yeah they needed a black face at the time and and I looked good we're here next week but this week we got a whole lot of Google in this doc yes doc looks like this you want to start with products or do you want to start with news do you that you almost his dark you almost like Steve Jobs there too yeah I really can do Johnson look to you is that the products are fun I feel the products all right Oh okay okay but I do have it new in the box and there it is it looks identical to what you probably already have yeah but yeah so the nest many with the and I hope comes in my mind I think I still have that one somewhere it's like it's so Dorky Pruis I'll look good thanks for Burston is but if it makes you feel better I have some audio that the reality Yeah Yeah that's right welcome to reality yeah yeah it really does if my experience was anything similar to what what true Mike I used to have the we're accuracy what away it's all that scaling saying that actually sounds better when it's mounted on your wall Kevin said is review so now now I'm curious to see the direction of the speakers on phone camera and it worked out it was fine I just the face they wanted to the whole look the whole body too happen oh he's taken the cell of you know but I did get the nest mini so we pair it's not quite as entertaining or or or interesting what model and teachers when I had hair hey wait there's four in there yes it'd be like you just breezed over that was that was a humble brag out 'cause if it's on a table it's more likely reflecting up versus out if it's on a wall it's projecting out into the room maybe a little bit more that's just a guess but I do it's a Oh I'm sorry it's an s binny I really was I was hoping to get the Pixel four before showtime today it didn't it yseult Scopus I will have to look at this I'm thinking like the knee up like that shot if it's on a table like there must be something to how the sound projects out of the device author reflective surface and eh yeah like why that is different on the wall versus on a flat surface I assume it's because the walls most of our walls are hollow unless you've got like a pre also know that they've they've done some work on the speakers they've added more bass response you probably not going to get a whole lot of bass response out of this little hockey puck right here but when he tested I feel like it's even got kind of attacking us here that I'm not used to on I don't know but I mean by all like by looking at it withhold or you could hang out with launch yeah now and I didn't realize this apparently some of the reviewers are that are have I played around with this yeah I was excited I was like Oh great I love it when it works out like this getting it right before the show like the Pixel four like I know what we're talking really does look just just like the rule exciting I see this is like I'm really happy that we lead with the nest you guys should jeff fluently want to see a more were realizing what we check on Nice cheesy catalog or like old school poses did you have any oxen it's ready to be on boxed and I know it is go ahead show the overhead play I'm sure it looks great but is that really necessary do we really need ninety hurts on our phones necessary no it's like I find myself being less than excited and I think one of the big disappointments for me that I'm hearing from multiple reviewers almost all of them pewter screens that helped you as you get older they get forward to it about today and then I opened it and it was he was a hockey puck oh man he he would just he was up here and then he just immediately went there Google I'm pretty certain we'll definitely have it on onset then so we can talk about it then but I'm not having I'm not having Pixel for envy now have you been have you been paying attention to some of the reviews that seem to be dropping like crazy right now I know you're gonNa tell me about the yeah they don't I know but they're all the time they didn't they turn it off because they know is going to kill the already small battery and battery I feel like is just that's just one of those things on eight hundred nine hundred dollar device yet the nail battery and if you're not doing something wrong but the ninety hurts it was it nope just I just done my three a xl I'm very happy with it I just facial recognition gleaned with your your elbow I one of my mind was on campus was on a university campus and they had me like kneel down just like Kathy and floor apartment right so it's GonNa help yeah maybe and I mean if you're on a table which is the way it usually has been Perfect Oh yeah I did squeezing this thing for and you'll check on dementia and that is a little white spots right here you know and I said what what's the change in the West but he said Oh yes those are wisdom spots you get them as jeff spots last time it did sound pretty good base wise Kevin says he didn't know if it had two x the base but he said really okay right I you know I think that we need you to to model all the twit swag too I can do that choice like I want no battery life it's the Anti start bowed on the bright gene delivery came in today and the look on his face when he was we got the box set it down and he opens it Oh is stressed in this something you it's been a couple years I that's what I have before I had the pixel two yeah no I have the pixel three day and the three as happy the been squeezing kind of at the mid line so it doesn't do it did it there were choking the phone it's so great because I hate talking to my phone because I set off everything in the house and so the squeeze is corner along the Assistant I think I have that swipe up on it oh yeah I can show that if you if you really WanNa see it yeah so you have to kind of go in diagnosed from the bottom and that does years system Okay I never really got into gesture imagine a hundred devices saying Stacey Stacey Stacey whatever they also just added the drag from the bottom right ears of carpal tunnel maybe my hand grip strength is so weak that I had never unintentionally so I can't even squeeze it when it's there but like Okay how about this I've got something right here ready for somebody in the box headed something's in the Eh took you off the wait a little bit longer for the Pixel supposed to come sometime this week but just in time for your next all about android show yeah yeah sure and then next week's this weekend really use that a lot in my day-to-day phone interactions host like I kept squeezing it and it was like why she just hugged her phone and write this at launch if you have if you don't have gestures activated then you can't access assistant makes no sense do you do have the ability to opt for the three button versus the gesture so that stuff Savia for justice just yet in the new Jaji won't get did you miss the squeeze I miss the squeeze that's what I was GonNa ask Stacey you should trust it doesn't work squeeze the bottom sorry will the the weird thing is it only works when your screen is on full brightness like around seventy five percent brightness so like you really have to make that what if you do that you won't get the Super Assistant Yeah right so that's kind of crazy right like right now there was news that at least the Pixel for footmen and not the Butler so this is this is a trend I think we're GONNA see more and more especially as some juice we'd either right all right it would fire when I did want it to same here it's like stop it like I don't need you all the time assistant I don't need you right now same seek after Ui On my phone just like it old school and this so this is the pixel this is too through the too okay count it just can't be there at all at all which is just school eared these are the people who pay you so weird yeah so it's let's go psycho for you jeff not only that like you can't you can't be you can't have it on your device at all it's not that you can't have G. Suite account as your primary get something else I don't know they were they talked about it at the at the Salat more contextual at the resident on the device right yes the trigger do the other what a super assistant I feel blessed you get continuing conversations there aren't there are sensitivity setting hug defy squeeze I just I was sad because could be the way that Google's handling that data is not compliant with what they've told their professional customers who want their data to be kept secure it's not for folks like you and me Jeff I can't think of anything else it would be seamless today kind of baffling to me how the G. Suite over the years is always the punching bag probably to do with like the the limitations around G. Sweeter mostly about things Blake privacy and parsing the data so e what everybody at home uses the gesture interface I turn it off and that's okay I just like using stock button and on the four which you will be getting at some point soon to here Ed Mrs Jarvis you said you wouldn't side it but if you're a pixel to honor would you be excited that'd be very different very makes sense. Yeah you'd be excited to just upgrade improperly sixty five yeah that's I mean that's really the only other option which is I'm sorry I'm not doing it career a professional who wants to have like a small but high end productivity suite please don't super soft yeah that's about it has the before does is not unsupported on t mobile and verizon at launch even though the three is supported I didn't quite understand that story because I thought Dosso put more onus on the on the particular carriers not necessarily the device so it's more on Google now it's it's Klay to adjust it it's only on the bottom it's only the bottom side okay because it's not the bottom bottom the bottom half of the bottom half of the klay more of its on device so you get a little bit of fast response to what it like reverts to old dumb assistant I go you're not using the choke it I disabled that feature I do too I hear I just found like no matter what's sensitivity I had it set to I like the punching bag it never gets any better for users meanwhile they're the ones that are paying so I mean and that's not all that's missing from the four support which the Pixel three fits for folks that corporations if that makes sense Google they have they have used quantum supremacy they could fix this yes want so badly Google's next big market our messaging push you know because our cs was yet another messaging solution that was going to change everything this episode We'll put you back into dark mode for this dual band. GPS is hardware that's supported on the pixel four but it's not activated at lunch so that's another been didn't make this available when I mean I always started it mattered most on the network not necessarily on you could say that if this was a big priority for Google you know I'm in light mood today we can we can automatically switch between light and dark mode throughout the courses I recommend to everyone they're like should I do G. Suite and I'm like are you Google user that no don't Yup what what other option would you suggest so now it's about the carriers carriers because the headlines that that I've been seen have read as if it's Google's fault they they screwed up Russian that's about it like beef you're on a chromebook and you want to have your own domain yeah yeah that's about it alf priority for Google Google would have made whatever relationship you know or management that they needed to do with the carriers to make sure it could but I don't WanNa just put all my stock in knows just yet because like for example. MK Bhd as big as he is he has a different perspective when it comes a personal experience on it all these reviews that have been out there the last couple of days have been pretty downing and I get it for the most part these these these devices in a use case I remember him making a comment right at the end of his video basically saying you know most stories on the plus side you guys it's been what six months or so since Google's last launched a messaging protocol ninety hurts display in then you top that off by saying most people do you really think most people know what ninety hurts on a display is absolutely no sense you can't you can use assistant but you don't get Nazi supersized awesome a- see the one the conversation versions hey this is not a device that's GonNa sell in the billions so who cares so why do they care yeah there is that which means which is unfortunate for this message so i WanNa do a review show where you hand you let go to a I don't know pick an office school a Nursing Home I don't care and you get you know is it the iphone okay why is it the galaxy note okay y. sure but government coming from someone who has the region people I wouldn't recommend this phone for in so I'm I wanted to ask him how do you define most people what is the phone that you're going to run him in at off yeah and then come back but that's in our world that's crazy long amounts of time but I always my test is it's not my mom because my mom is actually pretty technically savvy but I do I do think about like my mother-in-law my father-in-law and I'm like can they use this 'cause we're very well actually not me I'm a pretty normal person I couldn't figure out how to squeeze my phone really normal as you sit and talk about the spectrum with the Pixel four and in years past yes p people pooh-poohed the next device and then they get well actually it's not that bad and maybe I'll find myself there too but notes eight I think I believe it was what it was and I had to return it because it was too much it was too busy in she just could not dig that interface because previously she'd had the original Pixel I think that's what it was okay and she says can I have my pixel back yeah thing the Google is kind of holding off and say as somewhere down the line while activated point after point after point it seems like there's all of these asterisks involved in wideband come on you're far from other things I've I'm not normal I'm just getting kind of disheartened by a lot of these things right now and maybe that's because I just don't have it in my hands yet well that's the difference you you need to see what works for you why would he recommend it for most people you know just for little comments like that but I'm not taking a dig at you Mr Browley I was I'm just curious if yes but maybe those are the things that you're not normal on open you up to an ability of ease like approaching some of these surprise me yeah yeah what what is she using now she's still use an pixel three the pixel three great if the device to people and you ask them to like hey can you use this because I think it in Greenwich to give it to him for weeks I like her idea and I particularly do that with Queen Pruitt when it comes to these new phones in still one of my favorite stories is is when I bought her even the respect in the industry you know as MK PhD does and he's kind of been a pretty big fan pixel phone the these phones from a perspective of ease versus someone who is completely outside of the realm of technology that gets it they're going to have a different opinion probably clean up but that's another story but for her to say this user interface is just not something that I can jive with at this time you know that that standpoint but they don't have radar right right do they need radar that you know that that becomes the goodbye to phone based virtual reality talk a little bit about Elon Musk's tweets from space how that's happening and Russian that I have is is you know a lot of the reviews that are coming out right now are are saying saying a lot of similar things solely seems to be still need all of that stuff in despite for it to work so you can't have it both ways that's my opinion now granted I think one plus is doing a better job from the best is people probably aren't even GonNa know that ninety hurts displays is going on or going on right Oh depending on the brightness setting whatever that is so that's why I'm like remixed where it's like okay it's not always reliable it's totally underutilized odd but it does speed up things like face unlock so hope they patch you know you know that that struck me because I know she's not the most tech savvy person out there and she's always dropping the phone busting it up yeah so for him to say like I have a hard time recommending this for everyone that's kind of a big that's a big deal mind and see when he went into the rant about the right right so right now the face lock will work whether your eyes are open or not and I don't know why you roll out that security feature without even considering had passed I don't understand yeah apparently that's the way maybe they were all wearing out sunglasses like aunt that's what I was supposed to bring their in office ah not look at the notch if that helps and there's another thing people still gripe about notches and things of that nature but yet they still want the technology anyway anyway but you know they've got a patches so you're eyes don't mean hopefully oh boy I'm like oh that's terrible yeah behind the notch right now about the forehead on four and I'm like well you you you mound in cried about the notch but great phone I'm still using pixel touring with the big bucket notch annot with a big bucket notch you can disable bringing down the of the forehead on that they must have next week Amazon Sunglasses inhere I'm going to say about solely because I do think people don't understand what this is about I wrote about it in this is not shameless self promotion it's I feel kind of sad that himself promoting but I talked about awesome would it be if you could just stick like a twelve dollars cents on your liquor cabinet and you'd know if your kid was like stealing alcohol and it's not just presence theory band on their phones which they're using right now or we're talking about the museum for location based services but all of this is basically you're gonNA WANNA stand next to it and say like turn on or whatever and as these devices start having these radios they'll also under so I'm really high on slowly I'll be honest a thank you Mr Toefl said it best last week with one word presence in that makes perfect sense stand when they're right next to things that they can also work with and I think this is going to be way more exciting and Google's effort to put this on the Pixel was really talking to this particular device rate and proximity and the ability to understand that you're right next to this device and asking a question the motion sensor and I bought like an Ambien a sensor in the ideas I wanted with my husband I were right next to the liquor cabinet opening it I just love a good standards faith but makes life so hard for users but that's that's where we're going in that can be in a friendly so this is this is example where proximity allows us to do things that right now are really tough and if if that censor had to get people started thinking about it but it's also to see like what are the problems associated with this technology and what do we need to know about it house we're talking about this I was thinking well the nest mini going back to that product actually has something along these lines it has the ability to light up the volume wins cabinet and the idea was when anyone opened it we'd get a notification this turn into a huge problem because my husband and I were always opening the liquor cabinet my daughter did you WBZ or solely and here's the next problem you guys there's going to be a standards fight over this so happy talking about its presence and I and and identification well presents proximity and identification right because you need to know who is actually there because as the way back in like twenty thirteen but I was getting excited and into the smart home I put a motion sensor on my liquor you don't have to send a notification that if my daughter's next to it I want that notification because now she's thirteen and she has all these friends and you know that use case Dan is going to be essential in its I tied in the article I wrote yeah this to apple pudding you wb ultra-wide computing's at everything. You're not going to want to be like dishwasher please start now you don't want to just singer get away way so you don't have to buy like I had to buy separate Bluetooth Sensor there was like code that had to download I never got it working one hundred percent because it was just hard but at that time she was like six or seven so she wasn't interested right but we re what we wanted to do was have a Bluetooth sensor tied eh in bike real like like presence like right now and did I tell you about my liquor cabinet example you did not please proceed liquor ultrasonic sensor it has an ultrasonic so it can detect presence and it can in proximity right but it has no idea who it is you know what I mean so that's the criticism of this is to know oh it is my daughter versus it's me or my husband don't send me that notification so accessors are all over the place they're used a lot like you know those water filter our water delivery devices and airports those filtration systems there's an ultrasound couple of interesting things I I read today about the nest mini these new The new nest mini will allow you to pair a stereo pair of two of them you're like shut up just just fire him up yeah and actually one thing a couple of interesting things we're totally hopping back and forth but that's okay so you WB and radar both pretty expensive so they're different than the sensor that's in the nest mini but it's a similar use case because I'll say that was super necessary in the next a sisters censoring they're saying you're full or your phone stops at the time yeah you could hook them up as as Stereo that'd be out on the ones before What was the other one I had Oh quadraphonic listen to dark side of the moon way back yes and then another thing that it does it reintroduces the because I mean before head you'd sit there and you're like I want to turn the volume it you just hit it randomly right there's the button where do I tell getting louder softer ask you questions was solely and then what was delivered and you know what was promised you know the the the concept video when they were first introducing it I mean you know people are adjusting tap on top to start or stop playback if you remember the home mini did right deactivated that because artem Kaczynski from android police software updates can get you to that you know like before I wrote that story I actually read a twenty sixteen paper on solely it is also isolating this phone in certain markets India cannot sell the pixel for or rather google cannot sell the Pixel for in India so you don't get there I mean it's all of those things are still possible it's just one day so maybe it's not maybe it was it was fine I don't know but we will find out I guess I'm looking forward to playing around with the device and then it switches to the phone and stay on it stay on it switches to the phone it hardly switches the tracks anytime they wave their hand over the top debated entirely and they just never reacted apparently on the NAS mini that's back so that was one way to fix it though that was probably they realized oh four and Google's made a lot of noise the last couple of years about how important markets like India are emerging markets psychology markets exactly then Funny tweet that I saw last week I have it in the dog it's by Ivan curic it's a compilation of what was promised by Google order a chromebook pixel go did not know I four five and that had realized that it had been constantly recording him because the fabric was registering as a touch so it was constantly like sending audio cloud instead of fix it they with all the equations and everything about the three millimeter accuracy it is pretty cool you guys they're gonNa make it because it is cool technology they were not able to license the the spectrum sixty gigahertz yes sixty hertz spectrum in that in that country's therefore to see but I just WANNA use the camera I'm not necessarily thinking much about ninety hurts I'm not thinking much about all the other Google's Ed will deliver on Friday Leo got his order enduring preorder so I expected like today maybe tomorrow you got three at least and then yes we have three there watch with their fingertips all these really cool things and everything you know flipping through presets on radio and snapping to say okay except book is still Rockin for me say wait yeah so I feel like it's fine like I don't feel like I need upgrades take these guys order well I mean Leo has his he's gone it's going to deliver probably before my mind Erin manufacturing which is why see their sting solely on the phone because they're trying to play with this new technology before they like try to deploy it crazy wide yeah yeah there was an the billion but you know is the Pixel for a big seller in a market like ads probably way more expensive than a lot of the phones that are offered for and are actually selling in that market and I'm curious about it and I would love to review it and 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Yeah let's do that okay we've done okay see for that show was like what if it's more like the you know the tacky kind gosh I'm I'm suddenly blanking on the name of it Zag zags bad he's on this show and hearing US talk about it right now I'm going to treat the studio like a skiff phone-in let's see last night like I was thinking it was just like certain you know flat screen protectors that you put on and then you know get the like air bubbles out and everything like that victor who was who's the TD that's like imprinting a pattern into the fingerprint sensor and you learn that supersedes the layer that your fingerprint is actually learning sued the outside world they call it the Guardian system so you know you kind of you dry your area that you're in Vr in and anytime you get location yeah those phones yeah right they're not gonNA mess around with that so soon and Samsung's like why don't you buy are all you gotta do the standing right out of the way so I will I will throw that out there because I feel like jeff is eat VR and I hate the army because it I have to close off my vision of everything in the world and I don't feel safe as much of a home but the reason I don't like it because I I worry that someone's going to attack me it's just a it's a lifetime of being alert to someone trying to come after me world I just I need to see what's coming well Gosh I've really really enjoyed VR. The I've been called finally I couldn't get her my poor dog I ship over her so often now that she'd now whenever I stand up she like runs under the couch the VR in it like in a trade show environment I don't feel a hundred percent comfortable in my home with it but so I have always ear that that boundary line it's like the real world starts to fade into your view while you're in Vr so it's easy to kind of look outside and realize you know there's the uh-huh VR usually everybody's asleep I I'm looking dumb don't get me wrong I've been living room looking I don't care about the we the more I've gone into the OCULUS quest the more on like all right they're doing something right here and they actually they have a system that lets you see through uh-huh Samsung saying don't use any screen protectors that aren't ours because okay so talk about me people I know I'm not alone in this so I feel like there's a whole bunch of people who are like yeah there's No way in hell and get a lake close off my vision all the furniture out of the room while he's watching advertisement it just take my chair the chair uh-huh excuse me but it's nice because especially Netflixing Hulu they give us is even though it looks so well if you're playing a game you don't care how you care you'll looking right yeah they do I if I can describe my daydream in go to my favorite recliner until everybody me alone Dad's watching the movie yeah is by our quick-fix exact devs involved just just buy a new screen protector from us so it turns out by metrics or not as the Nintendo weedays do you think we looked elegant with their polling in tennis you know no one here we were just having fun there's the couch I don't want to trip over that or I don't know if it's going to be that accurate if the dog walks into your dog walks into your not event in these two girls come in and take the last piece of furniture and walkout and stick it in the back of their nice BMW and the voiceovers like you know the cans yeah Santa's vision Sitcom episode in which Dad pruitt is on the recliner the family quietly moves on all via mobile it's had in their VR on the phone ecosystem right now there's yeah oh you cool I hope people watch cable TV locks out the environment so I don't see all of the ambient light or anything like that and I don't hear my family or an intruder tries Samsung's gear VR headset is also done so that's kind of part of the reason behind this verge article that Audie wrote br you'll have to bring that next week we're compiling a list of things we have to bring next week but even even with with Google coup killing solve word those grabbed my grabbed my favorite headphones plugged into the phone in fire net flicks fire my plex or or what have you it's so immersive because it's just like mistakes he said I do I do they believe in it and I think the Oculus the the high end oculus hardware has a really great path right now I know how that is it just is it making the resolution more or less granular or is it just making it that's okay yeah I thought that yeah I I still use my daydream to this day what do you use it for fiscal cities like I live somewhere merged speaking of car commercials lost what's your guests about the guy with the beard and the in deprive myself of a sense just play a game but that's just what they are heirs mind well as long as I can still see the outside is that Samsung you're basically the note ten was incompatible with the gear VR which Ajan Tarmac who's the CTO of Oculus essential you eulogized oh living room environment you sit down and it just looks like you're looking at a hundred and fifty inch screen and and you have great audio on New Year's that's kind of Google they get excited about things and then they lose their excitement and along bannock seven buddy everybody else world but they have it basically maps where you are in the physical world in creates VR world around it that is built w well it's has room for all of your stuff even if something I can't remember the punchline but it's basically and then at the end of flashes back to the guy in the how it he pulls right the headset to say hey you know it was good for what it was but we're done with it were were moving into this area and that of course Google no absolutely no phones that have been released consumer adoption was low it was decreasing over time there's not a whole lot of demand there was lows because they didn't help it they didn't help people twenty nineteen from what I understand our daydream view compatible isn't the four isn't and so google saying yeah you know that that just the folks at oculus stand facebook in their investment behind us the do you think they're going to continue to make the investment in it for another five years in the article that I linked to it's in the show notes You see the guy with his headset in his backpack computer and so this is an artist Technica it's about Microsoft streetwalker this looked and sounded sue I mean I would never use it because again I do not want to be in a virtual world when I'm out in the there is a BMW ad where there there's a guy and he's sitting there playing VR in almost empty fund use case if again if you're not worried about being attacked right have you heard about the void yes I would love you try to adopt it they didn't push it away push the newness many that you just was so excited to see you know that's not on it on top of actual obstacles that you'll encounter so it gives you reasons to like stop across what for example so it's pretty cool I mean but if you scroll down uh I always wanted to be a female astronaut not seeing that ad right out story that both cool about the are in a good example of why Mobile Vr doesn't work or Scroll down there it is nobody deal what just going to get attacked everyday person yes wars experience venues Experience Event Events Center where you can go and it's like a large scale of VR roaming vr where you we have that in in in the oculus though it's not it's not occupants but it's in the OCULUS World Trade Center in New York Oh that was like ah I'm thinking about homes you need a lot of space in your home more than like yeah true for these these apparatus work I don't care how good it is but if they don't roll it out of the way okay there is that option I have a friend to she does development for Vr when they built there have the backpack and right and there are objects in the space that like the virtual objects that you see are matched with physical objects within Papau because you don't get whacked with heart of Ain't right although that's kind of the beauty of paintball too because then there's actual fear behind playing it why this matters and it's tied to basically this idea when computing is everywhere you need a way to tell computers that you're odd because it was so frightening man just really get hit when you're playing paintball even I'm still thinking this whole consumers not latching onto this VR thing your house they actually built a room for her to work in a was he vr room and so I think the walls were painted I think Dr Else that does see I think that works too because it takes me back to the days of laser tag tag yeah remember gray or maybe a lighter gray for some reason that's easier and it was empty and it has specs in terms of like how wide it needed to be so yes but she that's her job I mean right rolling your furniture house way is probably the way to go now but not every not every we've all done that not going to get attacked and Crawley date either back this is why it's not you know awesome but at the same time I'm like that's kind of a that you feel when you reach out to touch certain things and everything like that I I love I love that and I think that's that's a big future for Vr in if any off the average joes room to be able to enjoy the are that you that you guys know are you put your Coffee Table in Sofa on castors our living room I mean it's not the hugest thirty feet where do you eat dinner the question commercial haven't taken back to prison haven't seen it I've no idea this unit number Ryan okay is this online standard television uh hey are but what is not for gaming or anything I just like it for the year two mode when you put in Net flicks relax something I've never never the house is going to have an obvious space for this like in our living room we don't have a coffee table in our living room so automatically in the in the the front in the center of the pound a couple banks have now disabled thumbprint I'll have the spot for their reads whatever in the spots to to move around freely is not going to catch on is there anything being done for you like actually I don't WanNa get there it's been a long time to play paintball and it was frightening it also really kind of a lot of fun the president did wow that was quick that was because that right here right now shack is I've got a thirteen year old so same here still affecting thing that happens thing and it's better to your question like just taking the quest is one example the quest can operate in in kind of like standing or sitting mode it can also operate in a free autumn for our fees we don't need a coffee table for that but but I can make that work in I mean wide mass adoption or whatever you know the everyday person in enjoying are experiencing VR that's that's where something like the quest seems to be the right approach did marshmallow bites and what they believed to be small rent meringue gems as cute and I think the final verdict is that the price per pack sent out but people some of the first customers receiving their pixel four in the UK in what is a cereal box that looks you know it in full review they said one hundred percent of your daily allowance of magic curiosity and feeling Lucky These are cheerio wannabe hoops with Google brand seven hundred ninety nine dollars makes it really hard to recommend picking up a box unless you really need sixteen point seven seven million colors in your bowl and it was it was really cool like it was awesome now in Tj deejay says that the riff needs five by seven feet usually that that's not very big is just Leo Jeff and I were just like last week among the admirable was the way the question is not off topic for the show because it is powered by Android so I love how you feel like you have to justify yourself when when was it the UK wasn't some liberty in cereal boxes yeah so I guess it's a it's a promotion happening only in the UK they only had two thousand these beings is inside right phone right a phone but no headphones by the way aren't going to get hiring Leo's I came in here after all about Andrew was done so there was nothing going on the studio I cleared everything like I pushed this table back at cleared it all out and I tried that and I mean I was walking around the grocery store in job simulator and it was like I could go behind the I do things that I just didn't think we're going to be possible right and let's see here quantum okay so this is one of those stories that like I I read it I'm like okay this is interesting and you would not have pitched could help my own from from probably a little bit gosh no so so when are we going to talk about quantum computing sure right now wait now we're or or cereal because I don't understand what that is what is the cereal yeah how did how did we go through the Pixel forcing and not talk about serial isn't that just makes me that I was overjoyed without Pixel cereal that I'd get absolutely I mean it looks magically delicious it's cute concede that big you know I could see that being feasible and most homes but something like a rift needs a big system to power and so when you're talking about like what's that cars we talked about the Beatles for twenty minutes favor of that by the way here for that conversation and within the game that becomes just a little bit more dynamic you you know a small room you'll have a little bit of wiggle room to worry I can forth a large room like one day when I was what's in the box of Pixel four which is a little interesting to happy you brought up the celery cereal okay I saw that in the run down I was so confused all right how about this this allows them to the practical use that he came out with was that it it allows you to model a molecule and all of its forms and could have huge faster than practical than a traditional computer could perform it crackly it's a little bit of a moving target but google they basically said that they could do this faster than the fastest supercomputer out on the planet today I forget what they were impact on medicine and things like that and caffeine alone has ten to the forty eight different somethings really has some cereal inside so they're multicolored edibles unreal events like yesterday I mean nine to five Google posted a gallery I don't think so our fastest computer is Google said it would take ten thousand years IBM's like no we make the fastest supercomputer on earth take two point five days so I be so yes so there's like this little lake fight over length of time the bigger thing and Guam even the quantum computer couldn't do all of its something's something right so what is what it's kind of like if I were running a marathon my first mile would be okay my second mile would be okay actually my second my it will be dead too but I'M GONNA get progressively being and so that's kind of what's happening now the big thing is quantum computing is important because it allows us to solve problems that we haven't been able to so that's the big O. explaining why it was important because there's a whole class of problems and complicated things we can't currently do on today's supercomputers it took me a minute jeff sorry so these are Cubans with a Q. Not with a c. and the paper leaked we talked about it right the fish will release the official these the paper yeah so google fishery released a paper declaring its self declaring that it had reached quantum supremacy and I'm GONNA put those words in quotes because quantum supremacy the idea behind this is it was especially in an era of like climate change drug discovery this is going to be important also it will help with Wall Street trading okay hopefully imagine if you could do that in five minutes one you can run so many more models which means you could add in like data points as they come in I think we talked about was like thirty six or so so this is your helmet Cuba's was the arc forty it it's going to start crunching those numbers and doing the modeling in as it gets successively larger it's going to slow down because it's just too much and it's going to be for a full on weather simulation to take place so like when you're predicting like a hurricane that can on a supercomputer that's a lot of time and it can take a lot of time to understand what habits that's how to think about this so Google's argument that they've achieved quantum supremacy as they can do this in a way it's a faster than the supercomputer be they never ever ever slow down it was proposed like seven or eight years ago and the idea was a to perform a task in a time much solve with traditional computers rate it does so in a completely different way so like we're just talking about with the molecule win computers trying to win a traditional computers trying to tiger debate because it could break to fifty six ats encryption very easily. I'm random numbers Oh yeah okay yeah yeah so here's here's I have no idea the science behind it or the interview is very interesting away all right I said that computing though molecules is like this random numbers random okay so they were doing that now ibm came out and select Helt and hopefully sleep. I'm sorry no when I hear about quantum computing I I'm trying to think about real world stuff in sooners the other reason we're excited he says is take a simple molecule caffeine has to to the forty third states than MIT technology review has all said that they had achieved a quantum. Computer named Sycamore is a fifty four Cuban processor if you're tracking cubits the last cubit computer footnote saying caffeine with twenty four Adams can exist in ten to the forty eight distinct quantum states I e configurations of these atoms that means classical computer to perfectly represent caffeine it would require ten to the forty eight bits close to the number of atoms in the entire earth tend to the forty nine or ten the fact that you put in the stock market in climate control at that makes more sense now because we have you can take days lake figure out the position of all the atoms cinematic Manco it's atoms and the parts of the atoms in a molecule under fifty a one gigabyte memory chip has about ten to the tenth bits very helpful a lot of energy to model these things right right now quantum computing if it can do it super fast and yes we still have to cool these so here's live in these in these uncertain states no they live they live in thinking about the current climate as it were well when when can we find out there saying they've achieved these quantum computing maybe sharing with Google okay these are billions I don't know how much a quantum computer like these are these are so research like they cost a lot of money there like so that's GonNa be really a huge the weather modeling is a huge up right when we're dealing with so many the process of figuring these things out so what you say right Yes okay and there's there's tons of other things I mean like we don't even know I mean part of this we don't even know and there's a whole terms like when do we put this stuff into place to where we can root ventilated so quantum so the challenges well this exists goal has a quantum computer I think well it has that. IBM has a quantum computer I believe Lockheed Martin has their own but they the in a quantum computer it's like I were running the marathon except it'd be driving a car I can just maintain the same steady pace so that's minutes concerned that China has like secret quantum computers in and they they they operate at Subzero temperatures that's like the move in target like forecast and I guess that makes a lot more sense because you get all of these extra variables in like you said you use extra data points it We can speed up into to write the code behind it okay so where they put in his code all right so now if they've put this code on some piece of hardware and I'm just saying Lehman they're they're persnickety to US I don't know why I'm doing this gesture ops talking about slowly turning down the volume they're not they're not ready for even close to commercialization yet yeah just like I said I just think about all of these capabilities what are you actually introduce this so sorry ago we did but they need to continue growth so dr says wars laws what made Google possible but can't do hey you got to move in tiny increments This is this is not a computer that you can have access to yet are there universities with computers I feel like the US it's not something you can like buy shelf or I get that but I'm just saying if you bought one people if we have people that are able to sit down and the in that the road you're on also I think it was really important here that he mentions is they see the end of Moore's law coming and there are I think worried about it the chiefs Carter scientist Google and they told me dropped out of his PhD and Material Science people around him were working on high temperature superconductors tremendously we could end up saving energy we might not have I don't know that's that's still an open question we'll quantum computing be more energy efficient and I think that's something we should be in term view of the no it's not going to happen next week the butterfly winged the storm. We're not GONNA figure out button it Oh if you're a scientist like these folks are just I was like I'm with the so the other thing though we have to think about when we think about computing immense computing power rate so like you've got massive supercomputers that consumes cars and to remember before there were cars we had a very different world view so yeah sure did we. We don't have good programming tool so right now you can't do whether every time you write something for a quantum computer to do you write it from scratch rating in their very few people who knows how to program a quantum computer tell y'all Google or IBM bright so there's that that's the one that's a quantum computer they they're they're not one on their developer computers for free but it only has five cubits and so told us how useful then right how can with all that distance how can they get the speed and the latency so low speed high latency low it's have to go that far oh I don't the answer is I don't know in this particular case usually when you want to boost your speeds or Redo you can't really reduce your latency unless you we get two thousand Cubans I have not fact check this but I'll say okay and they pointed out that IBM will let you run a quantum algorithm if you want awesome felt like I didn't have that kind of patients I have deep respect for the people in the team who stayed on this journey along time pretty much get closer but you can increase your capacity to do that what you do is you wide in the area that you're willing to it on the chat room has some really good things he he or she I don't know ads that we don't have to worry about breaking encryption until isn say hey we want we figure out quantum computing we can do ABC or d. and then you get an article that says hey we figured it out so my next question is when are we going to do ab no it could be useful it depends on what you want to do. I mean quantum computing again it's like walking versus driving a car you can do things walking like normal computers walk quantum computers the indeed that you saw so soon Dr talk about this and where he said that he was talking with Heart Luton Evan who leads the Quantum Tiv along with John Martinez but but wait I literally don't know what spectrum they're using if they're like what band they're using and all of this so this is hard for me okay but if I read it I can come back to you tell in this week's episode of Stump Stacy how that's right I don't see this often emails over two spreadsheets to your crm to wherever you need it to go that should just kind of happen with technology that should be easy oh in two thousand sixteen you the one hand well that's a long time but the progress to get there is incredible Brian I got if you have that law all fundamental breakthroughs work that way you need to have a long-term vision he then reminisced about how deep blue beat Garry Kasparov in ninety seven and then we had been alphabet the horse is what they said yeah so I got you and I'm like I had this vision that Elon musk has also automatically importing new customers may be notifying your team about opportunities really the sky's the limit your magic run wild that's because appier is Broadly how satellites ten to work I cannot explain let's see where we'll how about how this we'll take a break maybe that's super customizable they support multi-step zaps now so the possibilities are virtually endless you build a solution the bure you probably already know this maybe maybe you've experienced this yourself but growing business is hard it's not easy you don't WanNa be wasting hours every day moving data from me there we go alon- sends tweet be Espace XS starling satellite brought up to be here is Stacey Williams off these all righty that was appier You can it does become easy Zappia can actually help with that Zappia has over fifteen hundred plus APPs and is the easiest Tom Slash twig then you can go in there and connect the APPs that you use the most and let's appier take it from their best of all it's easy to build the exact solution you need made for you to understand it right away so join more than four point five million people who are saving an average of forty hours per month by using Zappia I'm assuming it's a what spectrum or they're using old on I didn't because I feel like they're full of crap yes that was twenty six years ago I was sitting in the lab and I'm like wow this is going to need a lot of patients to go through so he leaves and goes and becomes wildly rich wearing google computer in his bathroom I would you put it in your battery reads the news just to show off it's kind of a hub rag thing is tweet in minutes without writing code or not going in there you know writing code or anything you aren't GonNa need to ask a developer for help it's all super straightforward okay because that's what Nabil's they're they're like I'll we're gonNA hit the hit the dead end continue yeah while yes way to automate your works he can focus on what matters most and that's connecting all of your business software to things like engaging your leads instantly we needed minutes no more wasting your time on tasks the you know could be automated because that's exactly what's happier was built to do just go to Zap your dot com using it here in house one of the things that I've I've so familiar with is moving my transcripts or or the the the transcript for the teleprompter it's Okay I love how you are on the same thing it's the same thing eleven hundred thirteen hundred kilometers above the earth an Inmarsat satellite is thirty five thousand kilometers above the earth at Sei it's cool he's Kinda passing down the knowledge make more time to grow your business right now through November tries Zappia free by going to Zap your dot com slash us to send the sedan. I don't know how to explain this without Lake just be you you just you you beat for Tech News weekly and you know it's usually like save out of Google docs renamed the file move it over to dropbox that appears here as Appier is twenty two thousand miles so big difference right so that's how latency effected Redo the show over this connection so that's a Lotta Miles so that's late eighteen hundred kilometers and miles is eight hundred seven months okay eight hundred seven versus that's that's the Real Story Yes oh that wasn't Karston fantasy of course he is on the run down big that's Z. A. P. E. R. dot com slash twig for your free fourteen day trials appier dot com slash twig and he is because there are so many of these things and the sea change that has happened here is that let's see so you just simply don't have to go as far these spacex satellites are going to be launched at about let's see got to open up the file Brie Mit Tech Review. They had someone answer that question just this week currently I didn't at twenty two to three no I would not want to take his credit but I love that you can you can do that Mike is actually had a lot of experience with Zappia prior to them being on the networks so forty three and all that space junk is it that is a wonderful question M. I. T. Tech Review if you google those two things space thousand five hundred satellites in orbit so this is a lot more satellites than yet he currently has announced have five times as many satellites are currently out there wow and what are the big challenges with these like I don't know 'cause are all the satellites how many of them are actually launched so the other he's going to have like these going to be there's no sun automated process so I love that I could just set that up That the Mike Actually Mica sergeant that's a Mike it'll take credit down the most satellites are won't get in the way of the space shuttle can't hear you can hear you know I was talking about all the satellites that exists Paul Cube kind of a bunch of at the same time he's already launched a couple and he has permission to deploy up to eleven thousand nine hundred and like he's GonNa have so many of them twenty they're talking about twenty five seconds of latency or is it milliseconds it's a seconds to be bad sure there satellites don't run into other satellites and that's actually a continuous process So how this is handled I really don't know but it is a legitimately baller started smaller satellites in the startup operators that are coming out for this is what's going to happen to that stuff when it starts to degrade in break down or what happens if those companies got a business so like yes the satellite industry is fraught with bankruptcies rate but throughout those they've operated the interesting question that people should be and probably are thinking of I'm just not thank you let's see here what else do we God we feel like we've got some of those look bits and pieces are around a mill twenty five milliseconds is not bad not bad bad it's not good for robotic surgery at the latency of twenty milliseconds says normal for voip calls oster because it can only listen to two networks at once it's not using them both at the same time although it'd be pretty cool Stacey Campbell all right so the latency numbers are as I suspected how close they are to the Earth blatancy of even one hundred fifty milliseconds barely noticeable Ta da now okay thank you Google and the capacity it used to cost a lot of money it used to cost you know a couple million twenty five million to launch a satellite and satellites themselves cost a lot of money with the small eventually to other fight devices but for right now just the Pixel for we'll be able to connect to two networks at once for faster switching this doesn't mean that data's going to be armor you're doing it and you know you've been pretty happy with I've been super happy yeah I mean features like this are are nice you know especially especially it didn't make as much sense for me I was in Colombia and my at and T. wouldn't connect the network I'm spent two hours on the phone with at and T. and finding enough time to read about it it's all good you're off the stays all right let's take a break this episode of this week in Google is brought to you by indicated data number voice so I'm really glad I had the separate phone right that's good I I actually had the plan so we just used her phone but so there are there are benefits for sure this is interesting so right now going on in I know he's tweeting from space out in space today fi a new upgrade called ucl dual connect technology has just said this essentially means that the FI devices starting with the Pixel for it's GonNa roll out check it out for yourself when we think Zappia for their support of this week in Google off checking in with Stacey on the answer to the question necessarily say hey we'll double it and we won't charge you anything extra for that that seems seems costly if they were to do this do that anyways so yes this would be uh-huh but I imagine if it was using both at the same time then you would would that be like a two data data plan those days yeah it's like the AW yeah so I could've added it if I wanted to but I didn't I didn't need hi jeff use use it for for your nationally internationally find makes a lot more sense for someone like you doing a lot of travel it's a nice feature I haven't been using fine awhile amusing mint mobile they are sponsoring the network and so I've been off of five for a little while backpacks that Leo Leo is casting view Southwestal Yeah career force in house right right right so I don't know that five is worth coming back to you know it's half the battle that's what they say I asked the question it's my fault got other things to worry about it leave it to you on Mosk he'll figure it out cool I'm happy that we could get there I was like I don't know if that was British Columbia a couple of weeks ago and didn't have well I say it only out that I didn't have a data connection there in Tokyo like all of the satellites that have ever been launched is that are in space now is twenty-five thousand so he wants to roaming mode and when you do that kind of free movement mode that's when you draw the boundaries so you can really make any amount of space that you have usable space in the bay area is the android developer summit it's happening right now it's kind of the new talk if if Gulalai does the Tick Yep then and summit is hiked fire I like this the kind of INAP- support that sort of stuff but I just felt like there were certain features that were Kinda lost on me but then I did just go to Victoria or I guess a fish faster handing or hand off the handshake won't notice it from one to the other pretty slick so yeah I was like if it's twenty five when do we thought it was was it of course we measured sometimes on the show role we've got Steve Sorry fi the five dual connect oh yes okay yeah down in the android block yes so F- is going to get an upgrade google to like this is nice to hear that that it's improving and everything is anyone here still using five or never been on fi you're never been on talk for our developer poultry mentioned in that was that Assad Virginia poultry mentioned distance this morning Yeah Google announced they they basically gave up stayed on trouble trouble is of course the the components of android they're they're kind of effort to speed up the updating of these devices all devices and that is pathetic same same time period for android nine before ten was released and it was almost on the same day that Google is releasing its updates so that's all really positive yeah but but that's still sort of niche such a huge deal so they announced that this year twelve Oem's just one example of how troubles helping this year twelve Oem's participated in the Q.. Beta getting the updated os happening with those devices absolutely so yeah that was up from seven Oem's for pies so they're increasing ability for OEM's lowering the bear the boundaries and the barriers for Oem's to offer twenty two point six percent of devices so then think of that as android nine a year later was on twenty two point six percent of devices do not great though still not great had and other other improvement Samsung as one example started it's ten rollout on October twelfth last year it was November fifteenth so Google just pointing Zhou totally. Yep things really do what's happening with all of these Samsung devices out there at other still lagging behind that are capable of Accu- Betas they say that's as a result of of trouble but this is kind of a little more interesting they said in two thousand eighteen android eight was on eight to try to aim for far as when they made their their phones in made their their software to sort of mimic whatever Google's a position of twenty two point six percent so bad east but it's still not great so we're starting to kind of wonder you know is this actually making a dramatic effect on Android devices being updated which is just constantly such as let me understand something I'm thinking back to the the whole nexus premise of Google okay MIS- mis- Stacey Mr Jarvis if you all know as well it needs to be so much better than that I really hope that continues to into Google's credit this working out this is working out perfectly with it's January twenty twenty mandate to and then also one plus and essential what's really happening with essential couple handful of manufacturers that are getting their updates out but an improvement but you're right still not great like one year after an Os has released twenty two point six percent total advice devices point nine percent of all phones right before pirates released so basically think of it as android it was out almost a year in twenty eighteen and they were it was at eight point nine percent of probably see that number of much a little bit higher next year hopefully hopefully so yeah yeah seven point O. took eighteen months to reach that it's not the actual device reporter and they were like almost like I don't WanNa go you go and I was like okay if you know any of these New Orleans devices have to be ready to go with the latest version of android henceforth and forever more so we'll mutation saying a highly anticipated unveiling of reinvented icon You're going to flip an original unlike any other luke where on the phone and Google was kind of like right okay yeah that was the first nexus you did I was at the event so I got it I was it was the first is your android was is that was that the premise of it I thought it was a reference designed for hardware but also really a folk because everyone wants to see was the premise of the nexus lying up teen years ago just a way to sort of set a standard of what android supposed to be like and what the OEM's are supposed eighteenth and they had a little animation as doing this little fully thing they throughout all sorts of little key key points in the my first non-screened phone I'm like there was a blackberry Pearl in there and beyond that and I had a motor razor at one time but beyond that no had so I never had one I never actually had a of a Motorola razor but I did I did want one that was the I phone I bought quitting pruitt was very she liked that one she she loved it until everybody started getting into the smartphones and they were texting fast food in her yes I'm seeing air I just remember really satisfying hanging up own event I ever covered happen I happen to be in San Francisco and again chip reporter wireless spectrum reporter the impression I mean yeah I'm like I can't I can't even remember my first lake none I tunes built in Oh I forgot about that yeah I tunes on a Motorola phone the people that way so when when was the razor how long what year was that what was that it's got to be two thousand three two thousand talks exactly kind of how I felt what did you think what was your impression of the next one with the little rollerball the bottom dude I don't even remember you're and pretty certain this is Motorola's foldable take of the Motorola Razor the original razor of the flip razor that everybody are those issues for the new upcoming Motorola foldable razor but any interest I'm old enough that anything century seems recent to me Arolla Razor Wow I think we've got a segue Motorola just put out a tease for an upcoming phone reveal November third the effects us directly right there's always a caveat as they say in the White House get over it yeah pretty much thing no I'm like you can put there were these little air vents new displays that when you would have the phone in your pocket little pocket fuzz would get in there and it would line the inside display I you know I was nursing so I I had nothing I didn't have a kindle I had to like nothing right right then two thousand seven was the first hi folks Oh like so soon after that people were just like why do you say you were bored it's the best time when I'm nursing I can just like you know scroll through chip in my dog and I can find him and he's happy you know he can pass anything just give me a chip to everything and it was heard Lester started off a little bit so hopefully Motorola has has has taken you know we need this many levels of ID in with us in our pockets and come on just give me a chip but if we have this technology side of security it might someday be a large format foldable like the wall way mate axe that has been delayed and delayed do these Samsung I'm ready for that you're ready for that I'm almost to the point because some things are just annoy me day to day with with phones tech and security and Isis but like when I had my daughter it was two thousand six and there were like no smartphones because I remember being like auto four actually might actually be two thousand five wow which is fine over on about chromebooks dot com thank you Kevin when I started deleting Android apps because I was getting sick clicking onto your time and I also remember a lot of people like like it was such a hot phone everybody wanted one of those things and then at some point I started noticing next that's that's next so Kevin just hopped on the chat and says the host need to check something but I don't know what he's asking you put a link up on me I would I would want to do that yeah light remote or some other creative APP yeah micromax old for Android apps but I drink you need for your liquor cabinet stacey chips jam the order anytime ship your daughter she's near the liquor cabinet they're still that new phone by Motorola two thousand five Oh yeah that was yesterday so if you want to put it in context I always really oh nervous I was just like I don't know how to do device coverage I don't know what to write about it and I wanted to do with the box stacey was opened the box Nixon somebody somebody could ordered you a chrome ago pixelbook go so no just say the new type of Co host very little latency throwing that he could Kevin Capsule so knowing what you know Kevin twin shop book it had been five the beat was the first one it was introduced in July of two thousand four but then the V. Three I with out chromebooks were you can now side load android apps where you will begin you'll be able to start side loading android apps onto chromebooks is yeah my daughter just turned thirteen so the world has changed a lot really quickly come up it really has your daughter's phone fold she's going to have ear buds sub SORTA Selena bedded in her head out. I'm almost we're take me they're all over all of our audio listeners like what is happening he knew exactly what you said before it ever hit the chat room of course it's not the what it it's it's a laptop problems a lap lap problem right legibility automatic Romo acid flicks. I would watch showtime go that's why I run see I would want to ride light room mobile on the chromebook you are Dr Android I just don't know I don't know why I need to to be on immoral on all fours so I released November two thousand and I know that's why I was thinking plus Kevin Z. having visit this is the part of the show where the hosts start talking to people who aren't in yeah I mean Jason for longer that's right thanks man thank you all right so I stop news that Jeff is GonNa totally love g mail dark mode is rolling out and Ed my yes wow this past it but I'll say up for giving kids I have a forgiving wife I have it and winning it looks dark yeah I've used it is this the Dow did they fix it no this is the same I am at seventy seven you try that you're pushing the slate again nice try let's see here should we do do wanna sound the Hornets should we do that got too close to your pickup time read very good bear Papa with Dog Drinking Water Mary Jo Foley She's uh-huh link and it would open up in the on chromebook in the AP Oh instead of in browser okay so browse happy with all kinds of things so I started leaning all kinds of He's mood oh is this on the this is on the phone never mind I'm talking about on the computer this is on the phone everything appears to be dark okay well then yes love it all right so chrome os eighty will be seeing side loading I tried to go well no seventy eight so you can have twenty six different saves okay it was beautiful right if I just have to one for the back in my days of of of content management word processing systems on newspapers we had what were called save get keys one if you open an email it still right oh that's a good question I won't show my email but I will open one and see it matches ah I was listening to Howard Stern and he had on Jimmy Kimmel and Jimmy evidently makes jokes about how his wife's feet stink and Howard aw that's a fun game chrome seventy eight is launch to brings a new few new API's as well as the ability to highlight and align and one for the URL wouldn't that be great same Carson Half Week rundowns Carson so I just so this yeah this is interesting news I just ban idea I don't I don't run ANDROID APPS on my chrome alas reverse screen your latest recommendation he's listening anyway he's he's watching time the People's names I'm like and then I'm pasting like doing I'm never doing one thing at a time so like somebody sent me an email now chrome os eighty to bring side loading oh where are we now we're now seventy seven are we know where we are I don't remember one question I he's picking them out then she changed her she has changed the the time on her client so she was able to make it work this time this time knowing this is their friends brought this out Jimmy Kimmel is going with the joke because it's very funny but he's realizing divorces coming yeah right keep going down this road right click a phone number so you can forward the

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Tue. 01/07 - CES Day 2

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Tue. 01/07 - CES Day 2

"Welcome to the tech name ride home for Tuesday January. Seventh Twenty twenty. I'm Brian McCullough. Today Sonos Sonos goes nuclear on Google though it really has Amazon in mind also facebook fans deep fakes in a way a whole bunch of really interesting laptop stuff. Sony makes a car and you can make a fashion statement and protect yourself from air pollution at the same time basically a whole bunch of stuff from day to at CAS. Here's what you missed today. In the world of tech not everything is going to be. CAS derived today though. This first story is consumer electronics related. Related Sonos is suing Google seeking financial damages and a ban on the sale of Google speakers laptops and even smartphones phones in the US because sodas claims Google infringed on five patents that it owns pretty nuclear option stuff here quoting the New York Times in two thousand thirteen Sonos scored a coup. When will agree to design its music services to work? Easily with Jonas's home speakers for the project ex- Sonos handed over the effective blueprints to speakers. It felt like a harmless move sonos executive said Google and Internet Company and didn't make speakers the executives now say they were naive on Tuesday. Sonos sued Google into Federal Court system seeking financial damages and a ban on the sale of Google speakers smartphones and laptops in the United States. So does accused Google of infringing on five of its patents including technology that lets wireless speakers connect and synchronized with one another. Google has been blatantly and knowingly copying copying our patented Technology Patrick spens sonus chief executive said in a statement despite our repeated and extensive efforts over the last few years Google has not shown any unwillingness to work with us on a mutually beneficial solution. We're left with no choice. But to litigate end quote what about Alexa an echo speakers though well sonos apparently has a bone to pick with Amazon as well but the company decided that it might be too big a task to go to legal legal war with two of the biggest companies on the planet earth at the same time so google drew the short Straw. Quoting wants more from the Times. Joe Costanza Inda a Google spokesman said Google Sonos have discussed both companies intellectual property for years. And we are disappointed that sonos brought these lawsuits incentive continuing negotiations nations in good faith. We dispute these claims will defend them. Vigorously and quote a spokeswoman for Amazon Natalie Harith said the company did not infringe on Jonas's technology quote the Echo family of devices and our multi-room music technology were developed independently by Amazon. She said and quote and this tweet from Charlie kindle was kind of interesting quote if I recall correctly Microsoft. CHP WEBTV MIRA media center filed equivalent flint. Patents on all this stuff back in nineteen ninety-seven two thousand. I predict these will get invalidated as prior art ones. Google reviews Microsoft sauce patent portfolio. If I remember correctly Google and Microsoft have a pretty robust cross licensing agreement and quote. Let me just read you. The headline the editors of Tech Name wrote for this next story facebook says it is tightening its policies around manipulated media by banning videos. That are either heavily edited or deep. Thanks to which I'm going to add kind of. This is facebook statement in a blog. Post quote vote going forward we will remove misleading manipulated media if it meets the following criteria. It has been edited or synthesize beyond adjustments for clarity or quality in ways that aren't apparent to an average person and would likely mislead someone into thinking that a subject of the video set words that they did not actually say and it is the product of artificial intelligence or machine learning that merges replaces or superimposes content onto a video. Making it appear to be authentic. This policy does not extend into content that is parody or satire or video that has been edited solely to omit or change the order of words and quote which is an interesting caveat since quoting the Washington Post. The policy does not appear to cover the infamously altered drunk video of Speaker of the House. Nancy Pelosi that was viewed viewed millions of times on facebook last year though. Her speech was slowed and distorted in the video to make her sound drunk. The effect was accomplished with relatively simple video video editing software to contrast with more sophisticated computer generated fakes. Disinformation researchers have referred to these kinds of videos as cheap fakes six or shallow fakes nor does the policy seemed to restrain other simpler forms of video deception such as mislabeling footage splicing dialogue or taking quotes out of context. Just as in a video last week in which a long response Joe Biden delivered to an audience in New Hampshire was heavily trimmed to make him sound racist and quote so in essence. FACEBOOK is going to ban you from deceiving people by faking video if you get heavily heavily technical about it essentially only if you fake too hard hard they want to stop people from lying to people via videos if they put a lot of effort into it but they are still perfectly fine letting people lie to others in myriad other ways as Josh Topolski tweeted. So you're GonNa do this but let people still do the text version and quote. I guess there's not a machine learning Algorithm mm-hmm for lies in text right. What was that thing that someone told us on a weekend? Bonus episode once. Computers can't actually read remember also of course facebook will still allow you to pay them to run an ad. That is an outright lie. But you have to be a politician to do so in a way. Facebook is taking away your right to lie but protecting it for I guess the technical and political one percenters Sony has saved a surprise for. CAS by unveiling a car the Vision as electric concept sedan that features Sony's new EV. TV platform developed in partnership with automotive supplier. MAGNA that Sony says can be a platform for other vehicles ranging from trucks to. SUV's quoting the verge. The outside of the vehicle has some strong porsche vibes especially around the headlights and in side profile. It's somewhat resembles the lucid motors air inside the vision features a dashboard spanning screen much like the one that Chinese startup biting is putting in its cars with screens for rear seat. Passengers in the headrest quote this prototype and bodies our contribution to the future of mobility Sony CEO Kenichiro Yoshida said the. The company announced the car at the tail. End of its. CAS press conference where it also unveiled the logo for the upcoming playstation five and quote. No word on whether or not Sony intends to ever actually put this vehicle into production or not. NPS on something car related that I mentioned in the CAS preview show from last week. mercedes-benz ends had their mysterious keynote last night and they unveiled an Avatar car. Yes a car inspired by the movie Avatar it features features scales more on that in a second but also James Cameron was himself on hand at the event last night quoting from the verge verge the entire rear end of the AV T. R. Avatar. I guess is covered in thirty three discrete scales or as mercedes-benz calls calls them bionic flaps that the company says could be used to communicate with people outside the car it also has special spherical wheels that Mercedes Benz says says were inspired by the seeds of the tree of souls from two thousand nine Avatar. These wheels cam rotates so that the Avatar can't move sideways or even diagonally and quote so there's that click through on the link for a video the attack me right home. This week is sponsored by tiny capital tiny starts buys an invest in wonderful Internet and technology businesses. Tiny is not your typical buyer. Because because they won't try to flip your business in three to five years. They won't mess with your team or your culture. They will not lock you into golden handcuffs or push complex deal terms they they won't renegotiate and grind you on terms. Tiny keeps things dead simple. They'll make an offer in seven days and closed thirty. 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You need then use the smart search tool plus filters to find the right software for your industry save your favorites to a shortlist and compare them side by side. Find your best choice always at Capterra dot com slash ride with over one million reviews from real software users CAPTERRA. lets you discover everything you need to make an informed decision search more than let's seven hundred specific categories of software filter options by features pricing and more compare software side by side like I said and as I've told you I did that that to select the software that I use every day to produce the show Capterra is all the Info and data. You need in one place visit Capterra Tara Dot com slash ride for Free Ted Day to find the tools to make an informed software decision for your business capterra dot com slash ride capterra era that's C. A. P. T. E. R. A. dot com slash ride capterra software selection simplified whole bunch of laptop news. Here with a bunch of folks getting all experimental with form factors. Let's start with well. Let's talk a lot about Lenovo. Oh Lenovo think book. Plus is a thirteen point three inch laptop with a touch sensitive e ink display on the outside on the lid lid of the laptop. What would you do with that well? Frankly just kinda sounds useful to me though. Everyone online was super skeptical quoting. Tom's guide the the ANC screen can show email and calendar notifications from Microsoft Outlook. You can also use it to take notes with Novo's included stylus. The idea is you'll the only do what you need to do. On screen during meetings rather than being engrossed entirely in your laptop it will start at one thousand one hundred ninety nine dollars when it goes on sale in March besides besides the second screen. There are a few tricks up the books sleeve. It has Amazon's Alexa assistant built in which will also work. When the laptop is closed there are also hot? Keys for skype and a power button with an integrated fingerprint reader. With a stylus. You can use it to take notes and they will be saved to one drive this lets you choose. Choose a level of activity in a meeting that you find suitable but I'm not sure how much less distracting. It is. Then using a laptop and quote one person's. I think that might be useful. Might be everyone else's gimmick that no-one ends up using I guess sort of like the apple smart bar but at least as I said it's something new and if that didn't float your boat try this on the thinkpad x one fold is a two thousand four hundred ninety nine dollars. PC running windows ten pro. That has a folding link. Thirteen point three inch for by three aspect ratio. Oh led screen it will be shipping in mid two thousand twenty now. Yes this is exactly what you're thinking is imagine a tablet that you can fold up like a book but also folded halfway. You know ninety degrees or so like a laptop and you can use it like a laptop with the bottom half turning into a virtual keyboard quoting the verge in portrait mode. Meanwhile there's an additional option to bring up an onscreen keyboard at the bottom. which lets you fold the display up at an angle? Oh Anti lucky went on a laptop the excellent fold also comes with a Bluetooth keyboard that magnetically snaps onto the bottom of the display. If you're going to be doing a lot of typing as you'd you'd expect from Lenovo. It feels pretty good to type on another bonus is that the keyboard fills in the gap between the two halves of the screen when the device is folded up the main advantage of this design is no pun intended flexibility. A tiny laptop is cool. Sure but not something you want to use all the time with the x one unfold though you can open up the screen to its full size prop it up with the built in kick. Stan use the keyboard wirelessly and get more or less the same experience that you would with a laptop actual actual lap usage accepted. There's even an easel style. Stand that elevates the extra unfold into what feels like the world's smallest all in one PC in theory. This is a lot of capability for something that would take up about as much room in your bag as a reasonably short hardcover novel and quote and look. Let's give it to Lenovo bringing the heat because rounding off their laptop lineup. unveilings is a five G.. Laptop just like everybody. Nobody else's Lenovo has called the Yoga Five G. and it's a one thousand four hundred ninety nine dollars to in one laptop that includes a snapdragon eight C x exch- chipset and a claimed twenty four hours of battery life given how much we've spoken about about them recently. I thought we should note. That ring has added a privacy dashboard to its APP which will let owners manage things like logged in users third third party services and whether or not local police can make requests to access videos from users cameras which they didn't already have that unquote in a phone interview ahead of todays announcement ring. Founder Jamie Semenov says the new control center takes a lot of the things. That ring is already doing around security and privacy and puts them in a single location for customers to manage while also adding a few new features on top. One of those new features is the ability to see who is currently logged into the account and lock them out right from the APP other features include the ability to set up two factor. Authentication which ring has had for some time from the dashboard. Semenov says that ring is continuing to inform its customers of the importance of two factor authentication on their accounts. And we'll be making it an opt out thing for new account setups. As opposed to the OPT in setup it currently is but existing customers will not be forced to adopt two factor on their existing accounts. Sim says. Doing this would require ring to log log everyone out of the system and it would prevent access to ring alarm systems and cameras until the customer opens. The APP sets up to factor logs back in ring currently only supports sports. Two factor authentication through SMS. But Semenov says the company will be adding other options in the future and quote the weirdest thing to me about this whole ring. Saga is that for a company that busted it's but to market itself as a security product. They sure do seem to have been in caught completely flat footed about how users you know might want to be proactive about controlling and managing their own security and privacy Z.. It's almost like ring as I said thought of things like security only as a marketing tool and didn't actually actually take security as a function seriously itself until now finally today a quick roundup of some odds and ends interesting. CAS stuff from today. At most face wear has a high-tech back three hundred and fifty dollar sort of cool looking blade runner like plastic mask. That will help you. Combat and avoid the increasing level of air pollution Lucien in the world. Quoting the verge. Unlike most face masks and other respirators the atmosphere where does not require an airtight seal to be effective. According to the company press press release facial hair sweat and other factors that can normally disrupt to seal. Don't hinder face whereas function the company says wearing atmos- face where is also being pushed as a design. Choice choice as well as a health. One quote are transparent. Design rests on the bridge of your nose allowing others to see your face including your smile wrote a Oh air in their press release and quote vote and I did not know this but there's actually a better way of doing headphones quoting wired electrostatic headphones. Use the the same static charge that annoys you. Grab a door handle. Only they employ it to move a very thin diaphragm create. Sound any audio file. We'll tell you that electrostatic or static headphones are generally better than traditional magnet driven headphones. But they require a lot of power and they are thus tough to squeeze into small enclosures somehow all the magicians at helm audio managed to Zap. This advanced audio tech with eight shrink ray putting electrostatic drivers inside wire free headphones for the first time. They're teeny tiny and they sounded pretty amazing in my short demo and quote and they are has a home security system that that unlike most chooses not to use cameras and instead employs radio waves to detect motion. You know someone entering your home or something like they will even let you self host the system in case you don't WanNa send your data to the cloud but remember they're not using cameras so no pictures or video so maybe you wouldn't worry so much about that. By the way I also heard about a drone startup for people living on large amounts of land. It's a security system that you set up on your acreage. And if the perimeter sensor is tripped instead of dogs the drones are launched to immediately fly out to where the intruder is so you can surveilled surveilled him and identified the threat before it even gets close to your estate. Sadly I lost the link to that story though. I have to assume the company. The involved has some relation or other to the enterprises of one C Montgomery Burns joke. Of course this is a real product and actually a logical one if you think about it as soon as I get done editing all this I'm hitting the monorail over to the Convention Center so hopefully I can tell you about some of this stuff firsthand tomorrow also about that. PODCAST meet up. It is going to be tomorrow tomorrow night. I'm being lazy. I think the plan is to just meet at the Indigo Lounge Inside Valley's at seven pm tomorrow night. Indigo lounges at the back of of the main gaming floor. Right smack in the middle of Bali so walk right in the main entrance head straight back look for Indigo Lounge. I'll be wearing a dark navy blue shirt with jeans and I've got a beard and I will have my C._V._S.. Bag John so hopefully I'll see you then.

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"Louis podcasts you love from people you trust this is hi. This is Leo LaPorte and this is my tech guy podcast. This week with the Great Rich Murrow filling in this is a show that aired Saturday Saturday. November ninth twenty nineteen in the Premiere Networks episode. One thousand six hundred forty to enjoy the tech guy. PODCAST is brought to you by Capterra. Find the right tools to make an informed software decision for your business visit. CAPTERRA's free website at Capterra dot com slash Teke and by plex with plex. You can organize and strain your personal collection movies. TV shows music and photos anywhere on any device go to plex dot TV slash twit and enter the code twit ten to get ten dollars off a lifetime. PLEX pass subscription. That's what I've got this offer to new subscribers only welcome welcome. I'm rich to Mirro. And this is the tech guy this show the talks about everything from smartphones to computers wearables smart speakers Internet security digital cameras gaming home theater systems. Whatever else you have that plugs in charges up or has a chip inside? We can talk about it. My Name is rich rich tomorrow on the tech reporter at Ktla Channel Five in Los Angeles filling in today for Leo LaPorte. Who is on vacation? Thanks so much for joining me today now if you see me on TV you might know me as rich on tech. We've got lots of great stuff to talk about today including your phone calls. You have tech issue. You need a recommendation or maybe it's An APP you need to know something about maybe just want to tell me what you love or hate about your gadgets. I M here for you. That is why I'm sitting in Leo's chair to talk technology by the way also have a book. It's called one hundred and one. I phone tips and tricks speaking of helping you. Out with your gadgets. This is going to help you. Uncover all all the new features in Iowa. Thirteen plus the other cool stuff. You can accomplish on your iphone with just the stuff that is built into the iphone no extra apps all the features that apple has given you. I help you figure those out. It's called one hundred one iphone tips and tricks. It's available right now on Amazon and this week wow I was just going through all the stories you know I talked about technology all week long on. KTLA come up here to talk here on the show and it's just like there is so much stuff to talk about this week specifically civically lots of big news including instagram. Just kind of taken all the air out of the tech world last night with a big announcement that they are going to see what our world is like without likes now likes are the social currency of instagram. People have built careers careers on likes and followers and engagement and being an influence and now instagram says you know what we're going to see if people can survive without lakes aches and this is something that is going to now start in the United States. They've tried other places. Don't get me wrong. If tried Canada Australia New Zealand Japan Ireland Ireland Italy Brazil. All the places were instagram has experimented with making likes disappear now. Let me explain how it's GonNa work so so likes are still a thing and you can like a picture just like you normally have done in the past you can double tap it. That heart will pop up for just a second showing your love for that picture or that post I but no one else will see that you liked that picture except the person that picked that actually posted the picture so so I can go in on the back end and look at all the likes that my picture has gotten but all my followers can't all they're going to see is maybe one of their friends. It'll say they like you know Jim and others like this picture and that's it won't say how many people like this picture. CEO of Instagram Adema Surrey announced this all at a wired panel he said Use instagram users can expect their light counts to vanish in the next week. Now not everyone. This is going to be a select group of people. You can't choose to be in this group. He can't choose to be out of this group but a bunch of people all of a sudden poof. Oof like magic the likes are gone. He said the idea is to depressurize. Instagram make it less of a competition and give people more space to focus on connecting with the people they love and the things that inspire them also they want to reduce anxiety and reduce social comparison. Now I don't know if you've been in real life but that kind of stuff happens anyway right I mean. Haven't you compared yourself to other people your entire life. It's just now it's an easy way to measure Israel with likes. It became easier. I mean in high school you knew who was popular who is not popular. Who the cool kids were now with the likes? It just made it so much more apparent for everyone to know that. So here's the thing. I have a lot of thoughts on this. I see the pros the cons. Now if you're an influence has has built an entire business on instagram and making those followers follow you and making those likes and taking great pictures that people like them in the you see that your picture has more likes in everyone else's pictures I understand you're sitting there going way. We'll we'll wait. What am I going to do? My whole business is instagram. My whole business is being an influencer. Well that's going to be tough for you. Maybe it's better because now you can kind of hide behind not so many likes because what happens is you can tell when people by their likes on instagram. Let's say they've got a lot. The people that follow them but when they post a picture nobody likes it. Well what happened. All those people following them or bots and that's why you're not seeing that many likes on their pictures now for teens. I think this is a great thing. Because can you imagine I think God I went through high school without having to deal with. How many likes I had? Yeah I was kind of a nerd. Come on I mean. Let's be honest. The hosting the Tech Guy Radio show. I was a nerd in high school. So it's fine. It worked out for me but the reality is if I had to sit there and deal with seeing some kid who had a thousand likes on his picture and me who had three likes on my picture. That'd be really tough as a teenager so I get it for teens. It Kinda gets gets rid of distraction now are they gonna find ways around this. Of course they are now for regular people. You're sort of in the middle. You're not a teenager. You're not influence. You're just a regular person. It probably won't matter that much. You really care how many people like your pictures that you took in Florida. I don't know does it really matter probably not and at the end of the day again. Remember you you can see on the back end. How many people actually like your stuff? So it's really just the Ford outward facing likes that are Kinda hidden now and if you aren't influence her and let's let's say you're trying to get a free trip somewhere. You probably show the person that you're trying to get the free trip from or the free product from how many likes you have on the back end so kind of works out now. I put this on my FACEBOOK page FACEBOOK DOT COM slash rich tech last night and got a lot of responses Lupe. Said don't like the idea. Hitting like is a quick way to let friends and family know. We've liked the picture without having to leave a comment that makes sense. Flora said. I think it means more now to get a comment than a like. You have to put more effort into commenting very true while Paul said I love that the poster can see how many likes but the public cannot. It takes away that stigma and also helps reduce the number of so-called influencers. And I mean influencers are good thing. I follow influencers. I love seeing the people that are traveling the world for free. I don't care they're getting it for free. Songs are show me all those cool pictures. First of all is cool places that I one day WANNA go to. I'm cool with that now. I don't know if you've been following instagram. But they've been doing a lot of stuff to make instagram. Sort of the Disneyland of the Internet it you know they use a te actually filter out comments. That may not be appropriate on your posts. Yeah they started that a while ago they also also have other ways Let's say you posted something really mean and hurtful on someone's are you started to comment that they actually have like a bully mode that will read that and say you know what before we post that. Are you sure you want to say that. Yeah and you probably never experienced that. Because maybe you're a nice person you've never actually posted something that's bullying. They also have a mode called restrict. So let's say someone's really bugging you on instagram instead of blocking them which is going to make them really mad. You restrict them and what does that mean they only they can see the stuff that they comment nobody else can. What a brilliant way to kind of? Keep the the trolls at bay by while not closing them into the fact that they've been restricted. So we'll see what happens next week. Will the entire instagram world collapse. When likes are no longer shown in the US again rolling out not going to happen to everyone overnight but something to be aware of? You are listening to the Tech Guy Rich to mirrow sitting in today for Leo Laporte. Who is on vacation? Got The phone lines open at one. Eighty the eight hundred eighty eight. Ask Leo or triple eight. Two seven five five three six. Your calls are up next on the Tech Guy Rich demurrage back with you on the Tech Guy. Welcome back to the show. Phone lines are open at one. Eighty eight ask Leo. One triple eight eight two seven five five three six. Where's Leo this week? You ask somewhere in the world. I bet you can find if you searched a little bit on social media. He's out there but let me welcome someone who is here. Kimmy me Shafir. What's up that? You didn't know that was my little nickname there. Until just now kimmy. Yeah oh well I kind of I kind of knew you our phone. Screener extraordinaire. Yeah we got to hang out last week after the show. There's a lot of fun if you so please. We could do it again today. But I'm not. I'm I'm knocking now that you put me on the spot. I mean it's just national radio. You know five said I know my Gosh. That'd be bad but it was really fun. I it turns out. There's a lot of good places around here. So it's it's nice to expose you to some of our northern in California delicacies when it comes to adult patients I guess if that's what you call it up here okay now we sound very cryptic to folks but Yeah I have a lot of brewer. Yes right around the corner tail. Yeah so how are you doing on this Saturday. I'm great but I do want to clarify. Is something with you on the instagram thing. Okay my own shirt strikes. Okay can I see how many people like my own post. I just can't see how many people like your post or all the legs going going away. You can see how many people like your posts. You can't see how many people like milepost okay. So they took away that aspect it would be almost like. Why am I posting anything? Anyway I mean I guess. I don't need the reassurance. But it's kind of Nice to know that somebody saw. We don't need any reassurance in life but it's nice to have it right. Yeah because if I didn't even see if one single person like my thing I'm like why am I posting. If if a tree falls in the woods nobody hears it. Nobody's there to hear it. It's something like that right but I don't think instagram. Instagram is the hottest thing going right now online on the web on APPs. Whatever you WANNA call it so? I don't think they're going to mess mess with it in a way that's going to ruin the platform. But they're trying things that's for sure always tweaking all right so we're getting some calls. Yeah how about Mark Mark Mission. Viejo he's looking for software or maybe a screen reader He's kind of losing his vision and sounds like he needs something to read speak back emails to him all right. Let's have any suggestions on that line to our mark in mission Viejo. Thanks Kimmy mark. You're on with rich. Hello Mark Mark. You're on with okay. Well there is a story about a certain about that. No worries losing. I'm losing my vision. I've got a PC. That's that's several years old but it's running windows ten and I can no longer even I got. I got had a big monitor. I got a magnifying glass. And I just can't see to read the more so What kind of software is there that when I opened up my emails emails? It'll read my emails to me and I can Order Online quarter groceries or whatever to be over to the house what kind of voice to text and text. The voice type stuff wouldn't be recommend well first off Sorry to hear this. Why what's happening is a is a a getting being old thing or is it something that is You know did you know this is going to happen. Yeah macular degeneration okay. Just you know life. It goes on soaps. I've got peripheral vision along the central the central. So I can get around. Okay I just can't I just can't see the screen anymore so when it comes to looking at the screen and reading things. That's that's what's tough. Yes yes okay Yeah it's It's one of those things that can be tricky. Now you've tried increasing racing the size on everything and that's not really working out toll brother limit. Tell You I've been putting this off as long as possible. You should want to give in. That's that's like I see I see people with their phones. They've got the the zoom all the way up right and you can tell some people like for me. Personally I I refuse refuse. I'm like I will keep it at the smallest possible texts for as long as humanly possible. Right yeah no so so. I'm to the point that I I've just done all You know off the shelf type right. Magnifying glasses you know sixty inch monitor. I mean just everything I could possibly get my hands on. But it's time for from Software I think and I and I and I tried looking online before I got to this point and I and I couldn't. There's a lot of stuff out there but but I just thought talk. Maybe between you and the chat room that there'd be somebody's experienced this already or has You know I don't care what I gotta pay for it. I just want to get something. That's going to go to work while I'm sure a lot of people can identify But here so now you have an iphone or android got got an iphone. Okay well you have. You heard that they came out with a new feature in the the iphone in Iowa. Thirteen that speaks almost every single thing on the screen. No yeah and this is this is a I mean. So iphone has had had in the past. They've had You know ways like features called voice over inside accessibility. But now they've taken it to the extreme where you you can now control the entire phone with just your voice and so it's a feature in Iowa thirteen that just came out and so If you go into this year accessibility features on the on. Iowa's thirteen. You can find it and I believe it's called screen and what it does is I tried this. You can actually really surf the web and what it does is it. Assigns numbers to like links and buttons. You can actually call them out. It'll say you know this. Is this option. That's that option. I mean it's pretty thorough. I mean you could literally they showed it off at W. W. DC and it was pretty impressive and so you can literally Control it's called voice control and once you set it up up you can do everything you need to not just your phone I get it you want more. You want your computer all stuff right now. I don't know if the new Catalina has has the same thing which is You know similar voice commands. I know there is some voice in some assistance. Built in to Catalina Do you have a MAC or PC. I've got a PC. You're talking about windows ten. Well the best Software for speaking is by company named nuance. Have you heard of them. Yes so they make something called dragon all their dragon voice stuff so I think that your best based probably look into that. Have you tried that one. Well I I looked and there and nuance had had several products right You know I just wasn't sure which one was best you know for for for a quote unquote to a conversation right right. I'm going to be sitting in the house in the dark talking to my computer support a little different than You know Oh but it looked like you said it happens and it's it's the beauty is that technology has the ability to help you out in a situation like this. I mean that's that's what's Nice is that you don't have to give up the computer. Yes is there is there any nuance they. They've got several versions. It's about software. Is there anyone that you know of any better than the other I would. I would look at the Dragon home and dragon home. Pretty much does a lot of what asking for which means you can Voice to tax. So if you want to dictate an email back to someone or have it read an email back to you. It does that you can also serve you. Utah Surf The web with this as well. So I'm GonNa get my groceries delivered. You think I'll be able to use that to like go to the you know Ralph Vons. John's website and get it to order groceries for me. I I mean look. Is it going to be easy. Probably not but I think you've already experienced that. There are some differences and controlling with voice versus controlling with a mouse right. So it's GonNa be it's probably going to be a little challenging at first but I think if you do it and you get the hang of it and especially once you put it in a couple of orders maybe get a friend to help you put in your first order or so and then after that you can do a reorder with some changes that might help but Does does that sound like to help you out a little bit mark and absolutely into so much and Yeah if if anybody else out there in your chat room I I don't get to the chat room by the way Go to twitter DOT TV and you can find the chat room. They're okay but check it out. Lots of there's is a lot of good help mark in the chat room. We feel for you man. We know what you're going through and I know it's not easy but Like I said the beauty of technology is that we do have some help along the way especially in the new iphone especially with some of the software good question. Thanks so much for calling in on the show phone lines are open eight. Ask Leo. We got Scott Wilkinson our Home Theater Geek on the way welcome back back to the tech guy. Rich Two zero in for Leo LaPorte. Who's on vacation today? Website for the show is Tech Guy. LABS DOT COM. If you hear something you're interested in no need to write it down on. Just go to the website tech guy. LABS DOT COM. We index all the questions that she asked and we put the answers there so you can search for them later. Welcome now now or help me. Welcome to the show. Scott Wilkinson our Home Theater Geek. What's up Scott Rich Man? I am doing great today. We always love to chat with you. you don't lift you far for me in Los Angeles so that's right that's right. We're neighbors we need to get together sometime. We only live. It's like five miles apart. It would just be like an hour and a half in traffic exactly. Yes no big deal. What's going on today? How you doing doing good good Wanted to address an issue that Number of people emailed me about and by the way. If you have a question about home theater audio video of any sort You can email me it. Scott at Tech Guy Labs Dot Com and I answer some as many as I can. Of course you know I get a lot and I do work so but I do try to. It's a good thing. Yeah anyway I got this email from George Rescue. Who who says I'd like to know if it's possible to connect to tape deck he has a Reebok's be seventy seven kind of a nice reel to reel tape deck to a modern AV receiver seaver specifically? He's talking about the Marantz and our fifty nine. That doesn't have a tape in tape out setup. This is a really interesting question because because I don't know if you remember you're probably too young to remember when av receivers had tape loops a tape in tape out. Sure sure no I did. I did when I when I was a kid. I did record stuff off the radio. I was what we did so I did have tapes. I did cassettes but I okay I did not. I don't recall that part. Yeah so on on older a on older receivers there were some special connectors called tape in tape out and basically you would connect your tape deck to them. You'd connect the tape out on the receiver to the input on the tape deck and the output of the tape deck to the tape in one of the of the receiver. And that way you can route signals from the receivers say from the radio in your case you wanted to record Something something off the radio or even you know a LP or something like that you could route it to the tape deck record it and then play that back and listen to do it over year sound system that you had in your home but that went away quite some years ago. P manufacturers of of Ers of receivers sorta stop putting them in there. How many years ago are we talking over talking ten rob ten fifteen fifteen okay? Fifteen or twenty When they started it to disappear and now they're completely gone because people don't use tape decks anymore and they don't record off the radio anymore? I mean we've got streaming now. You can get almost anything anything you want you know by streaming. Why do you need to even record anything? I have boxes boxes of recordings at my father made of Radio Radio shows and even TV should audio from TV shows. He was a music teacher and so he recorded a lot of stuff. But do you ever listen to those No I don't think they're good anymore. I mean this was. This was in the fifties. Oh Wow so And this is where I got. My love of Audio Equipment Equipment Actually was my dad and his tape recorders. So that was. That's usually how it works right. I mean I I in my house. Nobody was really into tech. But I but I remember my dad buying a giant remember when these receivers like the Sony had like ten fifteen components. Yeah that's what he bought. And that's you know I started playing with that and had a record player you You know just so fun it nowadays. It's like you know your iphone just does it all. Does it all things actually. It's all in this one thing whereas before you had a whole stack of the anyway anyway so. Is it even possible to do this. What George wants and the answer is yes with certain receivers and the Marantz and our fifty nine is is one of them because what receivers now have often not always but often is a what's called a a pre out or preempt out and these days receivers are multichannel right? There surround sound typically. You can still buy stereo receivers but for the most part they're are they have five point one or seven point one or even Dobie at most but the very often the front two channels at least have they preempt output so this is a line level audio output that is before the power amplifiers in the receiver so the receiver has power amplifiers power speakers. But you don't WanNa send a speaker level signal to a tape deck that would probably blow it up instead you WanNa send what's called line level audio and that comes out of these pre outs On the receiver. So you connect the pre outs to the inputs of the tape type back and the outputs of the tape deck to one of the inputs on the receiver. It won't say tape. You know their inputs on receivers are very often labeled built You know CD BLU ray. DVD whatever And more most often they aren't there aren't any that are labeled tape. But but you just use one of them anyway and you plug the tape. The output of the tape deck back to the one of the inputs on the AV receiver. Not the Fono input Their their most receivers have a phone. No input because people still listen to vinyl records and so they have a phonograph but the phone inputs a little bit special Because has it depends on whether the the turntable has what's called a moving magnet or a moving coil. Cartridge signal levels are a little different. So you don't WanNA use the phone. No input but any of the other inputs for the tape deck is fine. Scott you've got me thinking with all of this technical inputs outputs pre lying coastline preempt Fono but think about it all. This stuff has gone by the wayside because on the newest devices there aren't any inputs or outputs anymore I mean with the the newest iphones and newest Cell Phones it's all Bluetooth and that's it that's right and you see you can't even plug you plug stuff in with an adapter. Perhaps but I mean even on these new editors I mean you barely get a headphone Jack. It's really wild often. You don't that's right. That's right everything is going wireless. And those in the Audio File Community entity complain about that because wireless is inherently not as good as a wired connection because Wireless Bluetooth for example Uses data compression. Oh Yeah I can tell I can tell my car when my again my car the Bluetooth to my iphone snaps in and it starts playing music and when I plug plug my phone in for carplay it's like the sound just become so much fuller when it's actually a a wired connection exactly but nobody wants to have a wired connection anymore and I do get that in wires are a pain in the butt but you do get better quality and there's nothing you you have to use a wired connection if you're gonNa try to record something on a tape deck like this guy like George is going to do so. There is an answer to do it you can do it. Similarly derailed theory again. You're probably too young to remember the bose nine. Oh one speaker. Oh I remember it well no okay. Good made a big impression on my childhood. Okay good well when when I was in college that was the speaker to have. And you can use the same type of connection to You to connect the equalizer that came with the bose nine ones that you have to use with them if you want them to sound good you had to have a tape loop in in the early days when the bose nine and one first came out you had to have a tape loop to connect the the equalizer two and then it now receives. Don't have that anymore. So you can use the same trick of the front left right pre outs to the equalizer and back. In in that case you sometimes need a preemptive Im- put in order to do do that so this particular receiver might not work but It's it's a still an interesting question on how to deal with these older pieces of equipment. Yeah and he really need to find the person like yourself. That still knows all of this stuff because this information is going by the Wayside Scott How can folks get in touch with you. They can email me it. Scott at attack guy. LABS DOT COM Scott Wilkinson our home theater geek contributor at TECH HIVE DOT com. Thanks so much for joining me today. You are listening to the Tech Guy Guy. We've got more of your calls after this at one. Eight eight ask Leo. One triple eight eight two seven five three six got a tech question. Give me a call. Oh so Scott. Oh yes it's our andrew reminding me that the are a response curve for the phone puts another reason not to use the phone no input. I forgot about that. Thank you Are Chandra sorry rich So we've got a caller About with a question about a video. TV So it's something that you recommended many times. So I'M GONNA COME MON and if I if I need your help I'm GonNa Bring you back in. Is that okay. Yeah sure no problem. So I'M GONNA. We'll go to him as the first caller and say okay. Sure I'm sticking sticking around 'til the top of the hour if you want and I do have to Do eleo AD in the next segment so I drove to get it in some time in the middle of that segment so just sure f y less is more I guess no problem. Oh But that stuff is wild really like. Oh Gosh I remember. Remember paper records like you used to get a record like in the newspaper newspaper. Sometimes like I remember that or -tising apor but but it was A. It was some sort of plastic that was blown in to a magazine or a paper. Something yeah I I do. Remember those here comes out a paper. Did we do wrong. I GonNa just arrange the clock. I'm originally clock for you. Scott preview the clock so you can see oh great now now you know when. We're nine all the secrets Scott. What's that can you see that clock? Oh he hasn't taken it yet he's going to show you the shot clock. See I know when Oh yes good Leo does show that to me ask about halfway through. I've gotta do the deleo AD. Okay no problem I Kinda messed up on that last week so I definitely don't want to get I believe me I understand. Oh Yeah it's it's tricky and it's also. It's Leo doing them so it's kind of different. Yes see someone remembers a plastic forty-five that came in magazines. That's what I'm talking about. I remember getting one for McDonald's. Oh yeah it was a it was like remember their song. It was like Oh my gosh I used to. Of course as a kid used to memorize it. McDonald's Song I'm loving it because that's that's a Newark AD campaign Up this was I'm talking. This is in the eighty S. McDonald's Song like But I thought big Mac the big MAC filet of fish. Yeah nineteen eighty four Let's say see someone has it. Oh here's a good question maverick. Fifty six and went. He went and bought an old lead. LG TV couple of weeks back. They recommended to buy insurance. He said no never buy insurance for everything everything. What's your opinion on buying extended warranty for? TV's and other electronics. I generally don't either if tease yeah. Yeah feeling ailing on that. I I generally don't if electronics are GONNA fail. They're going to fail pretty quickly within the manufacturer warranty and they don't fail within the manufacturer warranty. Then you're probably probably pretty good for a while and I my thing like like I just bought an iphone which was like you know fourteen hundred bucks. I'm like do I WANNA pay ten dollars a month but like by the time you add up all the money and everything it's like you don't forget you gotTa pay when you get it repaired so me. I would much rather save that money and hope that you know like with my computer computer. I've had to repair it twice. Spent twelve hundred bucks but when I did the math of how much it would cost me for the apple care. It's all I mean. Yes you're going to come out a little ahead with the warranty but you have to continue paying Matt. It's up but look I will say for an eye for an iphone. I do buy the insurance. All you do say portable and you drop it I know I just I I just I mean I'm out in the world you're banning I agree I agree and I will probably regret it but now for stuff that's lives at home. No I don't do it right right and it's always like when you're at the checkout it's always like ten to thirty percent more so if someone gave you a coupon and said here's thirty percent more on top of this device for something you may or may not use iron coming back here. Welcome back to the Tech Guy Rich to bureau in for Leo Laporte. Taking your questions at eight ask Leo. Richard is in West. La Welcome to the show. Richard Nice name. Thanks for taking. The call loved name so do why. I have a question for Scott. If he's still around Scott is still around. I've got him on the lines. Well Okay Scott. I bought a P fifty one zero. It lasts six months and it totally died since it was under warranty they brought in a new one and I think it was new because it was in a box that they had prior open so I assume it was new and then that lasted about a year and a half and just yesterday when I turn on the set I would get the sound but but no picture at all I had called direct. TV to come over. Because I thought it was their problem. The guy totally. It's the problem with the television because the sound is coming through but but the picture is dead now. I have a picture right now. I don't want to mislead you. It's not as it was a permanent problem. But I'm wondering if you've seen anything like that before Richard. Oh my question is what are you doing here. TV's puts that. I'm trying not to watch by the way one other thing that the direct TV Guy said one or two of my hd my pores seem to be dead. I have I have heard of TV. HDMI Getting problematic could I have heard of that but I haven't heard of the picture simply cutting out intermittently. Apparently yeah well now here. I get a lot of emails nells about TV's failing a before the warrant you know before you know like I've had my TV's for a decade you know like you can keep TV for like many many years. Most of at the time. But I do get emails from people that say these things fail so my question is could it be Scott. Could it be something with the a surge or some sort of power issue. That's causing just to recur. Well more often than not the problems I hear about. TV's failing is in the power supply of the TV itself. But it's interesting that he's still getting a exactly audio correct and Richard Heavy checked all the connections have they they all matter of fact the direct. TV check was here. We can go to this very day. Because I did some switching around and I didn't know what I was doing. He set it all up and everything is tight as can be according to the direct. TV Guy who was here yesterday. Well this is frustrating. You're talking you're second video. TV now too fast and within three years. That's pretty bad. So what does it make you feel about physio. Yeah well I'm not saying I'm I'm hesitant. This really does is showing signs of dying. I have to think about another set and you know I'm hesitant to really even ice Truscott a lot I mean and that's why I bought the damn thing frankly and I and I have recommended Vizo many many many times and I'm really sad to hear this story story of two of them having problems within three years. That's that's not gray. A lot of people have I mean it's not as a bully me physio has built a pretty good business this over the past decade or fifteen years. So yeah there is. There's it's not like it's a problem that's happening to everyone no but it could happen. So what do you do when you have no ATV yeah really I. Would you know as a as a former quality control engineer. A trouble shooter. I would really he tried to determine and you had a direct TV guy there. I hope he knew what he was doing. to to say no it's not direct. TV I would have for. Example plugged a BLU ray the player directly into the same. HDMI input played something. And see if that worked if it didn't then yes it's the TV if it did then it's maybe the direct TV you box after all be guys said as long as I'm getting sound making contact with the with the dish upstairs. Well here's the thing direct. TV guide doesn't necessarily really have your best interests at heart and I'm not trying to knock them but he's not there to trouble shoot your TV. He's there to troubleshoot direct. TV and make sure that you have a signal from them. Necessarily early agree that that having sound. No picture means that it's not the direct. TV Box the direct TV box might be sending audio and not video. Yeah have you. Have you tried something else with this input. Well no right now. I'm watching television okay. It's working fine now. This don't ever turn it off again and my my electric bill might go into the roof. But how much did you pay for this TV. And and and this is the second one thank you. How much did you originally pay? I don't remember I think some are no I do remember something around twelve hundred. Only what's a decent amount well but for inch did you say it was a fifty inch p fifty. One I think's got yeah. Yeah right number It would have been a p fifty or appear apiece five. I think well fifty five right in any event Years ago three years ago. Twelve hundred bucks sure These these days it'll be less. I think I think the advice would be to you know. Try something else I mean. It sounds like it's working for now I would say just monitor it if it continues to go out Maybe get in touch with busy again. You never know because you might just they might want to look at this and see what's going on but it sounds like either something's loose. Something is a little off. I would definitely put some sort of surge protector on that. TV to make sure that it's not some sort of power issue but also be concerned with the other HD reports that are not working so it seems like there could be another bigger issue with this TV but Good Question Richard I you know they say that maybe You know I I don't don't maybe it's less TV. Maybe it's a good thing. Maybe you'll read more books. I would never advocate for that. No way maybe listen to more radio. Oh all right Scott. Thanks for For helping out on that question I do appreciate it and We Scott recommends the videos. I recommend the video. Stir good. TV But again. Look when when you're making millions and millions of products there's bound to be some sort of issue here and they're all right now. Let's turn it over to Leo for another message. Let me interrupt the great rich tomorrow. Thank you rich for filling in. I appreciate it to tell you about capterra man. This is a solution. 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Welcome to the show so a few things I wanted to call and Give it some information that might be of interest to blind listeners in Los Angeles. Jason is kind of interesting the timing because our first caller that you had from Orange County I think might benefit from this. The one who's looking for screen reading solution for his computer This is an event called the best in Tech. And it's going to be held this Saturday on November sixteenth at the Braille Institute in Los Angeles and What this event consists of is a presentation from regular everyday users of assistive technology? Give a little eight minute presentation on something that they found it'd be very useful to them or the people they work like. In my case I teach us this technology You know throughout this year. this is sponsored answered by vendors who sell assistive technology both software as well as hardware. So it's a great place to go and sort of get some hands on experience at ten workshop workshop that they put on As we all know since this isn't mainstream you can't go to best buy for stuff so these events are kind of few and far between and we're fortunate to have this here here in La so information at the Braille Institute. I'm guessing yeah and if I could give the website real quick 'cause it pre registration is very helpful. Well it's www dot best in tech dot info so that the B. S. T. I N. T. H.. Dot I N F o all right great. What can I help you with and then I've wanted just real quickly? Just say to that caller that Microsoft has something called narrator. That's built into windows. That might do what he's looking for the free The speak screen option and the IPHONE is great also for people who still use their vision but still occasionally maybe just one certain text read to them so that might be helpful for him The thing I wanted to ask you about is is the fingerprint reader. Going the way of the headphone Jack. Good question touch. Id and especially as a blind person. It's really nice when I could just reach over table tap my phone read my print and interact with my screen having to lift it. I am so right there with you. Julian I in fact on the new pixel the face. Unlock is so fast. It border borderlines on annoying. They say the rumor is that the fingerprints coming back on the next iphone. We'll see if that actually it happens. You're listening to the tech guy more of your calls at eight hundred eighty eight. Ask Leo after this. Hey Julian sorry had to cut you off there because we had to go to break. Did you say you're blind as well. Okay so now. Do you work at the Braille Institute. No I work for myself I I call myself a mobile assistive technology. Special WOW interesting. Well where were you when somehow we needed you in the first call. That was great. Wow how how well. I'm happy to help. I've helpfully. Oh before with other callers. Whenever I hear the stuff come in if I have an answer call it and and I have a website if you want to have it for contacts there. WWW DOT tech JV DOT com. That's T. E. C. H. J. as is in John Visas and Victor Dot Com. Now have you played with this new feature the The new accessibility feature that voice control on the IPHONE. Have you tried that I myself don't play with that much. I for understand. That's more targeted toward people with motor disabilities. People who physically can't interact with a with a touchscreen device you know Touching the screen. Doing things like that I've heard a voice over users who use it as well but right now at it. I don't think the play is nice as they should together. And I'm sure that in the future apple like they've done with all their other accessibility stuff makes it work with each other. I was GONNA say any kind of competing Features yeah I think it's it's M- it's targeting. More people with physical disabilities versus visual disabilities disabilities. But I can certainly see where it will eventually maybe be able to help both great I will thanks for the information on the The best in tech. I thought it's it's funny because actually got a pitch from the Braille Institute on the best in tax when he started talking about it I I actually was looking at my email that they sent me in A. It's happening. Yeah next next weekend right yeah. That'd be great if HE S. I'm actually going to be one of the people in that panel giving a presentation on I'm giving presentation on all the new accessibility eighty stuff. That apple had it and I was thirteen though the. US There you go. And that's Brennan's too is right there on melrose right. It's like Mel Rosen. People People preregister early You know before the event they're even providing free lunch from subway so they Kinda WanNa have a head count and that's why they asked that people preregister register all right great. I Julia thanks for doing it. I appreciate it. Appreciate the Info Rich. And you're doing an awesome. Thank you appreciate that all right have a great day bye bye bye all right. I'M GONNA hand it over to Scott Scott you take control of the Folks here and Go ahead I'm GONNA take a little break. Cooman thanks Oland. There's my clock. Thank you very much so hey everybody good to see you all this fine Saturday. It's good good weather here in La. And I hear from Lan dog in the desert is well hope it is where you are. let's see Beat master said not sure about most receivers Fono inputs are getting in rare You know that may be true. Although I don't think they're going to go away. Altogether some receivers will certainly not have them. But I think there will always be there here at least for the foreseeable future because vinyl is still an important audio format after all these years all these decades and in fact it's the one form of physical media as far as I know that's actually increasing in sales over the last number of years. I don't know how many I'd have to do some research search but it's still popular and growing and you go to an audio file show and there's tons of people selling vinyl so you know I think as long as that's true there's always going to be at least some receivers with a phone no input and if you're a big Vinyl Guy Good Gal person person then you're GONNA WANNA make sure if you buy a new receiver that it has a phone. No input. That's very important Mars worm still has a tape in out on a receiver. Wow that's rare because tape decks are really disappearing now some audio files swear by them. I go to audio. File trade shows or consumer shows and there's always at least a few companies that are demoing their product using a reel to reel tape deck a TEAC or a task GAM. Those are both the same company actually So you know that still exists in the audio file world. But it's much less so I think than vinyl although of course you can do more with with final Let's see we talked about insurance Could it be. Oh Mike Bs. If it's something could be something with the power that guy with the video too much or too little voltage. I don't think so And something we've been in the chat room. They've been talking about power strips and so on as well and I'm not sure if it were a PA- if there had been a power surge like a big spike that would have knocked the whole. TV out the sound would still be working. I that's my estimation anyway Lawn dog wants to suggest a power strip with the surge protector in it of course if if the TV did get a surge putting a power strip with a surge protector on it now is Kinda too late But I don't think beat master says I don't think the issue being described doesn't seem to be related power and I agree with that Beat master wonders if it's a needed issue. Ed ID extended display identification. I don't think so Either because at least from what I understand that the phone call it was working and now it's not so that it would seem to me to indicate it's not needed issue. I'm still not convinced. It's not the direct TV box another piece of troubleshooting that that one could could do that. He could do is to get another. TV Any other TV with HDMI input plug it into the direct TV box and see if he gets a picture picture with the sound if he does then. It's obviously the TV's problem if he doesn't then it's likely the that has undoubtedly the The display the direct. TV boxes problem now. A couple of people in here been wondering about whether or not it was a cable issue. HDMI cable issue. And and again it worked for a while and then it didn't and I don't think I've ever heard of HDMI cable failing and only the video portion because it's carrying both video and audio. I've never heard of it. Failing with the video portion I've never even heard of an HD my cable failing just in the the middle of when it's you know it's it's connected worked for awhile than it did I've never heard of that so I doubt that. That's what welcome back to the Tech Guy. I'm rich to mirrow tech reporter at Ktla Channel Five in Los Angeles. You might know me as Richon on tech if you see my tech segment pop up on your TV station such as Ktla. We do it around the country. To a bunch of stations he can find me facebook dot com slash Richon on tech there. I post all the cool stuff I talk about on TV and our website. Here is tech guy. Labs Dot com the phone number eight. Ask Leo Case Case You have noticed. Leo LaPorte is on vacation today. He's having fun somewhere in the world and I'm having fun right here but man. The week was not fun for a couple of people. Did you hear about this a bunch of people this week. I believe it was Wednesday night. It overnight Wednesday got text messages delivered to their phone that I call phantom texts. They got a message from a friend and they said Hey. Why don't you just send me this? And it turns out that the friend didn't send the message. It was a mystery for a while until people started looking into what happened and it turns out is a great blog. Post about this from a company called Sin Averse but what happened. Is that a bunch of text messages. Were never delivered back in the day and the day by the way was Valentine's Day two thousand nineteen so imagine this. You sent a text your love on Valentine's stay they never responded. You thought That's weird nine months later. That text is delivered to that person overnight. Now maybe you broke up with that person. Maybe you're no longer friends with that person. Maybe it's even someone that passed away. These are all scenarios that actually happened. If you got one of these attacks Gimme a call. Eight hundred eighty eight ask Leo. I want to hear from you. One triple eight eight two seven five five three six. Did you get one of these phantom texts. Could you imagine what if that text said. I love you so much. I want to get married but you never heard from that person and so you went on with your life and now you're married to someone else. I mean it can happen happening six months who knows it. Sounds like all the makings of a movie. Doesn't it but let me tell you what happened. So everyone was scratching their heads. Saying what's going on. I'm sure there are some allegations going on some awkward situations going on but this company Senate verse explained it so person to person text messages that cannot be delivered immediately are temporarily stored between twenty four and seventy two hours. Let's say you send a texture in somewhere that doesn't have a signal while the system kind of your your phone own or whatever it just kind of holds that message for three days and if it can't deliver that message after three days it's automatically deleted it just can't do it says we give up you you ever. You've seen this on your iphone. Sometimes we're says message not delivered. You could try again. Well this is kind of on the network level so the network says we couldn't deliver that message. Let's try again later. And and they keep trying keep trying. They can't do it so they say you know what we're just going to leave this and never gets delivered. Maybe you don't own any different. That's kind of what happened here. So the messages messages from February Fourteenth Twenty nineteen a server failed and all the messages that were in Q.. At the time just stayed there and they didn't get deleted for some reason normally they get deleted. They did not get deleted well on November seventh twenty nineteen. which is when this happened? The server was reactivated and guess what when that thing came back to life and all those gear started churning so to say all those text messages were delivered overnight. And next thing you know people's phone started ringing Bing Bing Bing Bing Bing Bing wait what's what a message from someone I haven't spoken to in six months. WHAT FEBRUARY MARCH IN APRIL May June July August September? October November. Yeah you're talking nine months so can you imagine the confusion that these people woke up to. I got a bunch of emails else from people. People said hey rich. I got this phone this text from my boyfriend last night. This weird text he sent me. It makes no sense and I don't see any record of it it just. It was so confusing. Because he said he didn't send it so who's lying here. I said I don't know but let me look into this now. Originally they said that about one hundred and sixty thousand people got these messages now with the updated blog posts from sin averse. They're saying well. It's actually kind of more people. Lot of the people were T. mobile and sprint customers. Immerse but it seems to have an also iphone android. It doesn't seem to have any boundaries who says a wide swath of the public but man really makes you think about that Just how crazy it is that you send a message. It's never delivered and it's delivered nine months later. I mean there's just so many the implications of this. It's just wild to me. Well I did not get one of these messages. That's for sure but I know people at my work. Did I got People e mailing me got them and it's one of these things that you realize just how much we rely on tech some people. Don't call people some people only text and and some people read a lot into text messages. I mean I get people that will send me a screen shot of a Texan. Be Like what do you think they meant by this. I don't know why don't you just call them up. Here's an idea idea. Just call them up instead of analyzing this text that they sent a lot of times. You sent a text. You can't tell what that person really means. Sometimes they have a sense of humor that may not come across crossing a taxed but people analyze things forever and back in the day when you actually spoke to someone you knew what they were saying you understood what they were saying because you heard from them you understood the little nuances in their voice and with text messaging you get none of that and so for me a lot of times people people take me very seriously. I'm on TV. So I I can't even joke on twitter because people believe what I'm saying and so I have to be very careful about making jokes and in text messaging when it's family and friends most of the time I even put little L. O. L.. After that because I just WanNa make sure that everyone knows I am joking. I just I want to be sure that you know I am joking. These texts that were received. were no joke and man. Oh Man just unbelievable that this can happen but it really gives you a little insight into the whole world of text messaging now. I think the difference is a lot of people use. I message if you're sending from iphone to an iphone and it comes up blue. That's actually actually not going through the text messaging system. That's just going through apple's servers. So this did not affect I message. This was when messages were sent as a text message so realistically I think a lot of these messages were sent cross platform which means iphone to android android two android android two iphone because all all those cases. These messages are routed through these companies and not through the apple servers but man. What an interesting thing to wake up to Phantom Phantom texts and you know there was some fights oh you know some relationships where or severed or put at risk because of these texts maybe it was a tax excrement ex that came through? Oh man can you imagine having to explain that one now. I don't know why the other person would be looking at your text but probably wonder and could this happen again. I'm in the company. Says we apologize to anyone who has impacted by this occurrence while the issue has issue has been resolved or in the process of reviewing our internal procedures seizure to ensure it does not happen again and we're actively working with our customers teams to answer any questions they have Aka probably could happen again. We don't really know I'm sitting here now looking through my texts to see isn't it. Isn't it wild. Just how many things we do on text messaging. I actually will sit right there. You know you surf social media. I've actually tried to make it a point to go and look at my tax so I don't forget to respond to people because of you've never responded someone after a while they get a little a little angry sometimes so take your texts and send send your loved ones a text and say you love 'em Rich Muros sitting in for Leo Laporte Today on the Tech Guy. We got Johnny jet coming up later in the show. We've got more of your calls your questions if you have something you got going on with Tech Gimme a call at eight hundred eighty eight ask Leo one AAA away. Eight two seven five five three six your calls next. Welcome back to the Tech Guy Rich to mirrow sitting in for Leo LaPorte. Today website of the show is Tech Guy Labs Dot Com. If you're interested in learning more about me listen my podcast. It's called Richon Tech where I talk about all this stuff as well. Listen to it wherever you. Listen to your audio. Let's go to Michael in Los Angeles. Michael you're on with rich. Hello there are you. I'm doing fantastic. How are you thank you? Can you hear me. Well I can hear you. Great Great I've been trying to update my windows programs. And I've tried multiple times and keep so downloading the update and then there's doing unable to install it and try to take mode and then save Mozart. Thank your safe mode. So I'm I'm frustrated. Hot is frustrating. How long has this been going on? Yeah well he's been very recently. Because I use a software it goes into its grocery items tax returns have been having some issues with that software and they're into it tells you that it's because the windows up takes everything will look fine once he goes to school and I can't get them installed You sound like you're some sort of restaurant. Can you order astronomy on Rye. While you're there I got through an airport so could I can hear you. I hear you Okay so the yeah. This is frustrating. This is one of those things where I I've seen this with my windows laptop as well and I'm not sure what it it is. Well it's the same thing though it's it's just a windows. UPDATES for some reason are very finicky now. Have you ever seen this before in the past. Ask because I have and I feel like I not that I'm aware of I feel like I get fifty percent of the time. They work fifty percent. They don't and next thing you know it's like I'm just restarting my computer. Three or four times to get the full updates installed so which what kind of computers assist the desktop with windows. What ten windows window tinting? Yeah and what is the update. That won't work. I'm not in front of my computer right now. So I can't tell you the exact Number back I think back to June. Oh Wow this is something. That's been going on for a while Well I would. And you've tried restarting the computer. I mean are you many many times. Are you at your wit's end yet I am. I'm calling here I've Eh Beach Club. Come over they couldn't help the Geek squad come over and they could not figure it out they could not figure it out and what did they tell you. It ain't tried to blame it on the software on what software the into it stuff. Yes exactly I doubt. I doubt a program would be interrupting your windows windows. Update I mean. It's it's now. What is the update that so the? Here's the crux of the matter. You need the update to make your into it. WORK WITH THE UPDATE WON'T WORK I. No that's what. That's what intuitive claiming I have doubts about that What's happening is when I go to low into program on any sort of it immediately immediately coming on with these signing page is goes into the paint and the and the crosshairs is it takes like three or four minutes before then goes up and then once the program Opens and I enter the Password. Then hoping a file from the program Takes another three or four minutes. I can't endure that the center fifteen minutes every time I wanNA go from Fan. Oh no absolutely not that. That sounds Sane Sane Have you ever considered a clean wipe of this computer to kind of. That's kind of like the last ditch effort to save. This considered it and what I wanted to do taping reinstall windows and Being told that the only way to do that as I have to bring it into the shop. Yeah I you live in Los Angeles. Yeah you know what I would do Michael. I would take this computer to the Microsoft store at the Century City Mall there. You've got the Microsoft store it's the official place And just they'll run a free diagnostic honor. It could be. It could be something that is interrupting putting the update. It could be. It could be so many different things. And the fact. That you're the Geek squad out there I get it. That's super frustrating. For you know when you're paying money and they can't figure it out so go to the windows store. The Microsoft store have them run. Their Diagnostics You know they generally do that for free if it's some sort of virus thing and maybe it is but it sounds like you're having an issue that is just not going to resolve itself but personally me. If if I had to deal with this this long I would already be formatting thing I'd be wiping my computer it'd be fresh in fact when I get most of the software updates that I do on my computer. Let's say I'm going from the new that the next operating bring system on my Mac. I usually do a clean install just to kind of get everything go now. I know windows ten has been around for awhile. There's not really a reason to a clean install but it might be time to do that and by the way to to you know they said that you had to go to a store. Take it into restall Reinstall you can do that from windows in the Control Center In control panel. You can just do A. It's like a refresh of the PC. It does delete everything. So it's kind of a last ditch effort so but you can't do that right from windows generally depends pens on. How your computer setup but generally wanNA come from the factory? That's something you can do. All right Good question. Let's go to bill in Los Angeles. I hi good morning. Good morning I have a seventeen inch macbook pro that Went just You just broke. I can no longer use wanting to get the new sixteen inch macbook pro but of course They're not confirming Eh. There is going to be one or when it will be released. I hate to spend the money on the fifteen inch. Which is the largest screen available? What would you do? Would you wait at this point to get the news sixteen inch macbook pro. How long will you and I are in the same boat by the way? I'm right there with you because I have been wanting a new computer. I've got the thirteen inch and I want the sixteen inch. I don't WANNA I don't WanNa get a fifteen inches been on the market for so long long right and I'm like I want the new thing. Whatever the new things going to be right? That's the way you feel he did. They're saying something about this Some issues with this at the scissors and keep boys. But that's apparently has been the issue ads. Go into the store they say. Oh that's just a rumor that they'll be one. I'm sure I heard there wanting to sell out of everything of before. Well to their to their defense in the store they actually have no idea. Apple keeps everyone under wraps until they announce it so they they don't know in the store and yes there's been a whole bunch of rumors about this Allusive sixteen inch macbook pro with no. Oh Basil's coming out. And here's the deal so I always look at this website macrumors Bakar Guide buyer's Guide and if you look at the macbook pro right now it's been one hundred and twenty ninety three days since release and the average is three hundred and one so they refreshed it in May twenty nine thousand nine a little refreshed and they had July twenty eighteen eighteen June two thousand seventeen October twenty sixteen. So will we get this twenty this sixteen inch miraculous laptop. I don't know we'll tell you bill that I get someone. That e mails me all the time saying that they have an inside source an apple. And it's going to be any day now for this laptop so saying that in September timber they were GonNa do the big announcement it didn't come and then and apparently now there's rumor that the will be two different sixteen inch now. I guess it all comes down. To how long are you willing to wait. And that's what it really comes down to. So I say if you can wait hold out as long as possible. I'd say maybe after the holidays or maybe before the holidays. That's when we might see that we got Johnny jet. Our travel expert coming up next on the Tech Guy Plus your calls at eight eight. Ask Leo which of the fifteen inch would you buy If it was me personally I would get the one you can afford the most specs on. So what What do you want to do on this computer? I have my own business and I don't have a lot of needs. I liked the classics. But there's something about one of the fifteen inches you can only only get certain amount of capacity before you have to On spend more. Well I hear I. If I'm looking at the a fifteen inch macbook pro I would go with the Let's see here to the to the She's got the six core. Four or the eight core. I think if you're running I mean you got a core I seven core I nine. I probably wouldn't go for the core I nine I probably just go core I seven and I would get the most I would get the most memory and the most hard drive you can. That's what that's what I would recommend. Okay thank you so much all right thanks for calling appreciate it okay. bye-bye and welcome welcome back to the Tech Guy Radio Show I'm rich to MIRATEC reporter at Ktla Channel Five in Los Angeles filling today for Leo Laporte who is on vacation nation and you might think our next guest is always on vacation but he just makes work look really easy Johnny jet. Welcome to the show thank you you. I'm trying I just turn off. The fire fit because it was getting hot out here turned off the firepit. Johnny jet is staying at a luxurious hotel. Somewhere in the L. A. Area. I was able to guess it quickly. I thought I cheated by looking at your instagram at Johnny jet but did not place once before. You're really good it's the Ritz. Carlton Laguna Del. And there was a fire pit and be careful. If you have a staying above with a phone I was on my my phone. I had my phone how you put your phone up to your ear and you use your shoulder to kind of hold it up there while I was doing that on the balcony above Johnny is staying and my phone fell. I would say to an untimely death but actually survived and but the best part is actually have a picture of my phone somehow it snapped a picture midflight of right right before smashed into that firepit. This great picture of my I gotTa Yeah. I did actually post it once before. This was a couple of years ago. But I'll find that picture off to search my google photos for fire. Well speaking of This around like little. Stay on the drive down. I remember it I either saw one of your tweets or instagram's where you're talking about the cookie monster voice on ways. I set it up and you should see my three year. Old's face when he I heard cookie monster giving me directions I love to hear that and I. It's funny okay so you can set up You know the ways has voices that come in and out but one of the temporary ones cookie monster and so I did a little segment on on my instagram and for TV. And then I kept it in my car as the voice and it's the more you listen to it. It says some funny things right eight and it's like it's like see is for. It says the police reported up ahead see is for caution is also for cooking Akiyama my mom but yeah you gotTa keep listening. He does the law. It's it's pretty funny actually like it's like a slow burn where you listen to a Ah for people who were doing road trips and they have kids. I highly recommend switching it You know he's got into the settings and change the audio I remembered Schwarzenegger nigger had it for a while and I and I did that. Oh Yeah Schwarzenegger's good one. I'll be back. I've got a terrible impressions by the way my my wife. Actually I didn't realize until this car right down. Really good at muppet impression. Soleil elmo cookie monster. Isn't that funny. When you realize something about the person that you've been with for a long time that you like find discover this new aspect of them that you didn't know like There's just so many. Yeah there's there's a lot of little things like that that happen that's right that's why you gotta wait a while to get married. Yes well this relationship advice brought to you by I. Johnny jets beacon of life advice by the way I always recommend people go on their honeymoon before they get married. 'cause I've met people who've traveled who actually waiting waiting to travel with someone until after they got married and it was a whole different story. That marriage didn't last long. So that's actually how I knew. My wife was a one because we went to sixty five countries together as a couple and I was like she's amazing seizing and You GotTa make sure you're compatible especially when things get tough when you're on the road. Oh my gosh. That's so true when we have taken vacations with like you know couple friends you know with kids and stuff and you quickly realize. Gosh we love this couple normally on a trip no way it does not work out like you know their kids. Stay up sleigh or they don't you know they sleep until noon. You want to get on the road like early to go sightseeing I mean. There's you've got to check that compatibility immediately without a doubt so a lot of hotels charge resort fees which my biggest pet peeves and I meant to mention it last week. I don't think we did talk about about it but correct me if we did but I was in Fort Lauderdale a couple of weeks ago and the hotel. I checked in at ten o'clock at night left at eight o'clock in the morning and they charged him. Forty forty four dollar resort fee. Well you've got to use paper. Yeah what about long distance calls. You made no kidding so we did talk about this but then I talk about the website resort fee checker. No we did not talk about it. I was just kidding. Oh I did. I did an interview like this with someone else. And I'm having deja Vu because they said the exact same thing I'm telling me I'm not unique. Well no you're good is what I'm telling you might have been but I didn't talk about the the. The resort fee CHECKER DOT com website resort checker dot com so it has website it has all the resort fees from all over the country. which for the most part? It's Las Vegas Hawaii. It's Fort Lauderdale. It's where people vacation but now they're starting to pop up in cities like New York City Chicago as urban urban city fees which drives me nuts. I think it's such a rip off but especially if you're checking in late at night and leave it in the morning as it's a business traveler I went to the manager and I tried to get Than the wave it. They would not wave like I'm gonNA destroy you online. Oh Wow so. Don't get Johnny Jet Mad names. What was the Hotel Fort Lauderdale Weston? But here's the thing you can't get around it. You cannot not get around. I love this website by the way. This is fantastic because but it just lists important information and resort fees are just. It's one of those things that you never really see spelled Out unless you really look forward on the website and it's kind of grouped in at the end when you see your total tax all this other stuff and then it's like you know resort fee and you got to look and see so. I just looked at the hotel that I'm Kinda checking out in Hawaii and Yep Forty Bucks a day. So that's Here's the thing and this is I think why resort fees. His work is because people are on vacation. They see it as part of the trip. They've saved up for this vacation and they're just like all right. This is part of doing business but I get it when you say that one night and your room is a certain amount especially in Vegas. You could stay for fifty bucks a night and resort fees forty and then it's like it's very clear how ridiculous it says eighteen hours a night. Twenty dollars a night and then the resort fees much more. Does this website. Have it should have a list of the all-time highest it does it. Does this week. So check this what do you. What's your advice? I mean what do you do. What do you do you not well? I mean the best advice is to book hotels. It tells you do not have it harder are you can but especially in Vegas is like talking to a great hotels not going to be one of the major ones So that's number one. You pay with your your vote with your pocketbook. Basically you stay away from those places but also you can always try and speak to a manager of its something short like like me. I was really shocked at the wave it because I had a legitimate case. Yeah and also I do think the future these resort fees are going away because there's a lot of legislation lately that are really starting to put the Brigham Brigham mostly to the public knowledge. And make sure that they know how to fight it and you can write your Congress people. I know it's the pain to do it. But I think this website actually lists who you can call all in right to to try and get that done but I think I'm hoping that in the future they will have to disclose all this information you know. One of my biggest problems was when I checked into this hotel hotel. They didn't tell me and I didn't book the room client but the room. That was one of my thesis. I don't even told me money checked in and I knew the client would end up paying for it but just the the principle that they're going to charge him dollars for twelve hours or fourteen hours a night during the nighttime when I'm working sleeping and it really at the end of the day it's really so that when you do these comparison sites and you're looking at a whole bunch of hotels. They all seem like they're the same price but you're forgetting about it's just like the airlines. Forget about all the baggage fees and all that other stuff stuff. It's not mixed in the real issue. Here glassman ticket last minute rooms in like. Let's let's Say New York City Hotel tonight and before I hit it except I always make sure and read the fine print because they do list it but you have to. You have to scroll down to find it. And if it charged they charge a resort for your urban city fee or whatever they want to call hallet's I do not stay there on all right. Johnny jet thanks so much for joining us today. Johnny jet on Instagram follow. His travels resort fee checker dot. com is the website site. I'm rich to mirror. We're GONNA have more of your calls at eight. Ask Leo after this. Welcome back to the Tech Guy. I'm urged to mirrow sitting in today. Four Leo LaPorte. Who is on vacation? He's having fun before we EH. Let's see who we have here. We've got bill in Los Angeles Bill. You're on with rich. Hey Good morning reach our you. Hey good afternoon. I'm doing fantastic. How are you? Oh I'm good but I need your help. I'm in a in a in a big mess here. I've got a yeah about ten years ago I started to online business. The business sites and I went with the company. I know nothing about computers Very illiterate when it comes to this just with the company back East that they get the sides for armie purchase besides hostess sites and that was about ten years ago. They've been pretty if through the years they'll disappear for a month at a time but now for about about six months ago I received received an email from the guy that runs the business. It's just himself and he said GONNA horrible car accident. I haven't been around for the last three or four months and then then now I've been emailing and in calling and just trying to get in touch with them and he's either passed away or he's closed the business and On kinda hostage. I don't have any information about these sites but I've gotta keep going if you know. And he basically controls him. I'm wondering is there any way I can get these fights back or what do I do. That's really tricky. So you don't have. These are websites. You're talking about. Yeah to to my websites I owned the the name and trademarks on him. And like you say they're they're my business. I sell products. But I don't other than that. I have have no information about him. He said he's been running and he won't respond and he basically he could run away or close and I lose the name. I don't know I I don't know what to do. Do well. Sounds like you have a decent relationship with the guy who runs this right. Sounds like you've you haven't had a problem in the past. No he has so disappear for a couple of months at a time. Then come come back and say sorry I left or whatever but now he is. He's gone six months ago. He wrote a letter saying I've been in and actually I'm not sure what's going to happen. And that was it now. There's no way to communicate with them. He doesn't respond emails. Doesn't and how are you. Is this your business. These are these are companies that you have income generating. Yeah Yeah I'm I'm asking anything they could. You know I I mean I guess he you know he could stop and he's still start getting a bill but I don't know that the sites are GonNa close or if you know no and I'm afraid they will. I did lose one site at three businesses and one of them just by lot. The main okay so now communicate with that's really that's tricky And there's no way so you've emailed him and he just doesn't call back. Yeah it'd be went to bit better business bureau where he lives in like dozen people saying what's happened to this this this guy this company. He's gone he won't answer anything and I've gone some other company saying can you hold her run my sites like sure but you gotta give us all the Info right. There's no way for me to find that he might have honestly passed away. I don't know and it's just himself. Oh my gosh well. So that was. That's my first. Question is so every the website there's a couple aspects to this so he built a website for you and he hosts them using whatever hosting service that he uses. And you Kinda just tell them what you want done right. Yes and so. Every website has to be registered a domain has to be registered. That's sort of where starts. Did you register those domains. Or did he He did so so you told them you said Hey. These are the domains I want and he went and did everything he he registered. Okay these do I actually had a couple of other people build the sites and they sent him Molly Info and and you know again as back ten years ago. I have the information and so you don't have any access to these websites. You can't sell the domain information l.. I don't know so. What are you GonNa do what are you what are you going to do with these? You know with your businesses. In the meantime the two of them are still up and running so but you know I I know that the registration to whatever is do but I. I don't know that they're gonNA stop. I think probably just end up. One of them was down for about six months when he went away somewhere and then he finally came back and so. I'm sorry I was in a car wreck the now it's been over six months ago so it goes down again. I'm you know I don't know what do I actually mean anything about it. I don't know how to keep my business going if he's disappeared then and if he's gone. Okay when when you look up have you heard of doing something called like a who is like when you look up the domain of this website online like to see who owns it and who runs owns it. Can you look. Have you tried looking that up. No no I don't know anything about that. All right thank you. Who is yeah so go on Google and look up who is and and this allows you to look up the wear? A website is registered to and you pop in your domain name so whatever it is let's say it's you know Yahoo who dot com you type. That in and it will tell you who physically owns that site and we'll give you the information for the owner. Now when you look this up it may be yourself if it's yourself that's actually pretty good if it's him that's bad but it might be a third party registrar and you might be able to contact them and say hey. These are my sites this this is my stuff. Can we get in my name and get it in my registration. The I can control and it might take a little bit but you know this is what you're up against against but is this person local. No no back in the game. I think our Baltimore actually back in Baltimore and how did you find them originally You know what I think I might have. I don't know if I was searching if I was just trying to find someone to host or could whoever was building my side at heard of them an certainly you know we as a company name but found out that himself running this company which is fine. I mean a lot of people run small businesses. I mean that's there's nothing wrong with that but it's it's a matter of how how he has dealt with the transition to nothing and he's I think he's just disappeared. I really do think disappeared. And then I called other companies these companies. That say we can run your sites where you're we we can host your side my email and they say yeah you're sites are being hosted by you. Know the name of this company. Okay I know no but I need to get them when they're like well. We can't do anything because you don't have the information that I I don't WanNa lose these two sides. I one of them like if they just let it. Drop my lost the name of it. There's no way to get that back. So these are two businesses in my live on. That are doing well and for some reason you know comes to that point where he's not paying again or doing whatever he does. I mean right. There's no way for me to get into them or keep them so it's just real frustrating. Yeah that's GONNA be stressful to to to to wonder it's like a ticking day yes I got ticking like time clock. That's just sitting there like you have no idea when when these things might not work so the website You know I said the WHO is so I would go to who is dot net. You can try that. There's a lot of them that lets you. Look this up but otherwise I would try. Maybe also Contacting one of these other people that says hey. Can we do this for you. And putting putting them on it and see if maybe they can get to the to the bottom of it maybe if they contact this person Maybe he'll get back in touch with them. Maybe he has something against you. I don't know I don't know I tried that honestly and thanks for that. I actually did I two of the companies that said. Oh these are great. They'll host or get your website that we've left messages we've called. We've contacted tactically. There's no response. Basically your sites are gone because we can't get any information we can pack into his system over the you know. There's no way for indicate whether you need in order to fight back. Yeah I mean you may have to enlist the help of an expert that tracks this down and you might might come down onto legal thing where you have to get these sites back from this person who has registered them but I would definitely bill check out the WHO is start. Start with that and see who where the site is actually registered to and that gives you some clues to start with to at least begin this process of trying to reclaim the sites. Oh you own which I get is totally frustrating. All right thanks for the call. We'll have more of your calls at eight hundred eighty eight. Ask Leo. You are listening to the Tech Guy Radio Oh show and just thinking about the last caller little lesson that is probably a good idea is if you own a business register the domain name yourself and the first step to having a website is registering domain. Name do it yourself if you if you aren't sure how to do that. Get someone that you know and you trust to help if you do that. And you can register the domain yourself and still have another company build your website and manage your website. You'll just have to share some of that information with them but but at the end of the day you won't have a situation where you run into that You know a vet company. That's helping you goes out of business. You have no control of that website or ask the company so you got help from to share that data with you. I'm rich to Mirrow INFOR Leo LaPorte. Today you are listening to the Tech Guy. We're GONNA have more of your calls after this at eight. Eighty eight eighty eight. 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You'RE GONNA want it you're gonNA WANNA I paid for the lifetime thing immediately. I once I saw what I could do. I said this is it. I've got it plex. Baby plaques now back to rich tomorrow thank you rich thank you Leo. Oh and to answer your question I do use plaques very familiar with plex and so I know a lot of people that love plex. I actually have it set up on my server at home. Yeah I got a server. That's nerds do. That's how we roll servers at home but it's a great thing to have welcome back to the tech guy the show the talks about everything from smartphones to computers wearable smart speakers Internet Home Theater. Anything else that's smart. We'll talk about it. My Name is rich tomorrow. Tech reporter at Ktla Channel Five in Los Angeles filling in today for Leo LaPorte. Who is on vacation? Thanks for joining me. Our number three just about to kick off funding. No more about me check out my website. It's rich on tech DOT TV in fact it's Kinda what I go by on. TV catch me on your local station. Usually it's rich on tech. We got got lots of good stuff to talk about in this third hour. We're going to have Some guests as well more questions but something that I thought was cool. We did a story on this week on a KTLA. So where. I live in Los Angeles. We've been having lots and lots of wildfires and you know obviously we have the threat of earthquakes and All these things make you think about the fact that it's great when you have cell phone coverage try and most of the time you do. You've got cell phone. You Got Wifi but but there are times when that can go out. That can go down. When I went hiking I was hiking in Arizona a couple months ago with my little brother and you. Yeah you get. I don't know an hour into the woods and boom there goes your signal for the rest of the day and so I found this thing called the sat doc pack and we did a story on it and it's just so cool it's basically a tiny satellite for your smartphone. And that's exactly what it is. It's a satellite that you attach to your smartphone and what it does is it. Lets you send texts with no signal. So even if you don't have a cell phone signal this little device vice will send your texts now. It's not the text that you're normally sending like you know I message or three regular phone number. It uses its own APP and and it bypasses the self signal on your phone. It sends your message up. Twenty two thousand miles in the air doesn't sound crazy to think that is going up. Twenty two two thousand miles I had to think about it. was that feet or miles. No it's miles. These satellites pretty far up there and then it comes back down to your friends phone or whoever for emergencies and stuff like that and I tried it We had the people from sat pack. Come to the come to l a company named higher ground and by the way it sat p q you sat pack Q. It It works with Android or West. We connected it to an android phone and you open up their little APP and and you type in a text and boom arrived to my phone less than seven seconds later and I just thought this was the coolest thing because it just makes so much sense and so I'll I'll tell you personally. When we had the fires my in laws were in the area that was very much affected? And guess what we couldn't get in touch with them for for. I think it was two days ace without coverage because all the cell phone towers went down. There's no electricity. No Internet Wifi. They actually stayed at their house. They shouldn't have but they did. And my wife of course freaking out because she can't get in touch with their parents and if they would've had this it would have all been fine. It would have been you know. Hey we're okay. At least we know we had no idea. And so it's one of these technologies that you hear about and you just say wow shouldn't everyone have this and the reason why everyone does not have it is because it's expensive Ziff. It's two hundred and fifty dollars for the device and then you gotta pay for the texts and the texts are about thirty cents each but the way they do it. You buy a package of tax so you know you buy a bunch of text for you know one hundred bucks or fifty dollars and they last kind of indefinitely as long as us this thing once a year. So you're talking minimum womam investment at least two fifty three hundred dollars including some texts but the reality is if you had this thing in your bag than you would be able to be connected at all times as long as you can see the southern sky you can be connected. It's kind of like direct. TV or dish network. They have a couple of satellites and covers all of the US at once whereas cellular covers a swath at once and you need a lot of antennas and then when you think about why fights even a Tinier area and you need a whole bunch of Wifi hotspots but was with satellite satellite. You just put the satellite up in space and covers everything all at once which is pretty amazing so again. Two hundred fifty dollars battery lasts about four months. And I just think this this is a coolest thing again it connects to your phone. So it's not it doesn't Plug in it connects via Bluetooth and as long as Your Phone Supports Bluetooth you've got android or IOS. Yes you can have coverage anywhere you want great for hikers the people who created this thing created with hikers in mind because they were hikers but they realized that this is just for a lot of people so I love this thing sat. Pack if you WANNA check it out you can check out the story on my website rich on Tech Dot TV but I just think that that kind of technology is just so amazing and I. I hope that it's built into smartphones. Everyone smartphone in the future. Come on apple you listening. Jeff is in Knoxville Tennessee. You're on with rich rich. I've got some frustration with a major phone. Now I hear it in Your Voice Jeff. What's going on and look? Can I name the company Sure you can name names okay. I watched eight T mobile television ad several times and couldn't believe it so I called a couple of the local stores and they they verify it. They're they're clerks there didn't but then I got a hold of the managers and they did did and it was the T. mobile fifty five program as long as you're over fifty five while I'm significantly over fifty five and I had had Had Straight talk through Walmart I bought a cell phone and then all about their Their unlimited dish long phone and was using a Well let me go to the T. Mobile. Let's hear what's what's going on here. Let's try to solve your frustrations mobile They said I could get two phones for a total of fifty five dollars. These store managers verified that so I bought the program and I got two brand new phones. Samsung Tanna or whatever. It is and They they seem to be okay. A but Right after I bought it I got a bill for additional hundred dollars and so I called the store back and they manager has has not returned my call and that's been over two weeks. So what did they promise you. And what did you get. They promised me unlimited talk text data and in thirty gigs of hot spot. For how much fifty five dollars and just one person just you. Yeah I've got to and then what's the hundred dollars well. They haven't been able to explain that except they said Oh. We didn't mean fifty five dollars total. But they're saying in that now that isn't what they said when I went to the shore and turned in my other phones and got the fifty five and the store manager Went and transfer returning from my other phone to the new Samsung phones and I'm getting billed so I called They've got a their check operations down in Texas when the Home Office up in Washington so I call down there and they were. They're very nice and that stuff. They said well they'd give me a fifty dollars credit but that doesn't make any sense because right after that the next month it's another hundred dollars so we're always uh-huh fifty dollars now it's GonNa cost me a hundred dollars. It sounds like they did not put something in the system properly. Hang on just a second jeff on the line in Knoxville. We got a frustrated. Jeff Jeff. Can you hang on until after the break. We're GONNA talk more about your T.. Mobile frustrations mentally. He was promised one thing. He's getting adding another charges that he didn't sign up for. You are listening to the Tech Guy. Radio Show we'll have jeff and more of your calls after this at eight hundred eighty eight. Ask Ask Leo I Jeff We're just off air real quick but so what okay. So they promised you. I'm trying to understand so every month. You're getting an extra fifty five dollars. My roommate handed a month but they have fifty dollars credit. But so now I've got a twenty three dollars do immediately and it's going to go back to where I'm fifty five and fifty five now. They're saying that didn't mean it the way it was and withdrawn from the TV. I don't know if they did it nicely. Or just locally. And what's the what is it. Label what's the fifty the extra fifty five dollars labeled as on your on your bill. I haven't gotten a bill yet. They he's told me about it. See I've only I haven't even had it a month yet or you haven't had a month no well And and they and they and they build me a text message that I own another hundred dollars. Oh they said like you're so much you owe already like here's your bill. Someone's someone's GonNa look like and I got one just two days ago said by the twenty third of this month I'm going to pay him Another twenty three dollars but hi. They gave me a fifty dollars credit. Now I'm significantly over the fifty five age limit. I'm twenty twenty two years past bad. They should be giving you the phone for free absolutely. They should your weight. Look if you only have to be fifty five you got twenty more years. They should shouldn't go down after that to like you know twenty bucks. That's what I'm thinking you know. I don't think it works that way but Okay so I think Let's see I think the main thing is you got to figure out what this extra charges and I'm looking at this. You're not doing auto pay closer. Magenta plus fifty five unlimited is is. That's what the that's what I've got is Magenta however not doing auto pay when I do. Is I pay an advanced so I can avoid that extra ten dollars per kerr phone right right and so they gave you the phone did they. And how long ago this. How long ago was this exactly like less than thirty days? You said Yeah Yeah less than thirty days yeah I'm wondering what the return policy is. La Say they have no contract. But that doesn't mean that because they gave the phone for free basically means that they are okay. Fourteen days to return hasn't been fourteen days. Yes it has has okay all right. Well well I think they have no contracts and the storm engine told me the phones were free. Well yes but here's okay. Well we can talk about this on the radio but Usually I'll tell you this. Usually when things are free what they do is they. They take the PRI- we'll I'll talk to you on the radio a couple minutes cannibal. We'll just get this hang on okay rich to mirrow back with you here on the Tech Guy. We're talking technology we've got frustrated. Caller are on the line. Jeff is in Knoxville. He signed up for one thing through t mobile and apparently he's getting another and he's not happy about it. Jeff you back with me here absolutely definitely not happy. No and so I mean. Here's the thing like this. Is this happens all the time you see these ads. You see what's advertised and then what happens when you get the bill. It's totally different. And you are not the only person that this happens to. This happens to me. It happens to a lot of people that are listening. And that's how these companies I mean. I'm not saying T.. Mobile is trying to do this but the reality is there's an any deal there's fine print you know that right so in this deal. It sounds like you were promised a plan for fifty five dollars a month they gave you a phone and now it looks like you're you may be paying a installment on this phone. Does that sound about right. I never considered there was an installment because it was not told that way and incidentally it wasn't just one phone I got two phones. Two lines unlimited. Talk text data and thirty gigs per phone. Oh you got to two lines. So maybe maybe the fifty five dollars is for the second line. They said it was two four fifty five dollars total. Now that I think is okay okay. So here's what I think happened to you. I think in let me just explain the whole thing with free phones by the way so at this point. There's really no such thing as a free phone when you see a free phone advertised at a company a lot of times. What they're doing is they're pro rating the price of that phone over twenty four months and then giving you that phone as a credit? Read it on your bill over those next twenty four months so Let's just say the. The credit is thirty-three dollars a month for the phone. Let's say you decide because there's no contracts tracks anymore right sounds so great. There's no contracts. I can leave at any time. You can leave at any time but guess what you forfeit those credits. Which means the price of that? Phone whatever's remaining you. You now owe to whatever that companies and that is how they get you with these free phones that you see advertised so it's always you know what's the old saying Jeff if something's too good to be true. Oh yeah it isn't true yes right so do you feel like you were taken in this circumstance by talking salesperson very very taken see. I talked with two different store. Managers Fourteen Mobile. Now they're clerks. There's their sales salespeople on the counters. Didn't know anything about it. I had to go to both stores managers and they verified that it was two phones. Two lines for fifty dollars. Now I do. I'm looking at their website. And Twenty seven fifty times. Two is fifty five dollars so on their website. I I can confirm that. They do have a limited time offer. That says two lines with auto pay for people fifty five and up is twenty seven fifty line fifty five dollars dollars a month now that that explains the two lines you got but you also have these two phones. So I'm trying to figure out if this extra fee is is part of the phones. Now when you get a phone line activated they do charge you thirty five dollars for that activation have you. Did they mention that. No they didn't mention it at the time I was in there. Talking with the store manager did not mention any of that. That's part of what they said when I called all their their tech support line and I said how come I wasn't told managed time that I bought this and I did not go to the Their auto pay. 'cause I've shutout pay in advance each month so I don't have to do that. And they said I could do that. And still get the MAGENTA program. So what's your plan are you happy with T.. Mobile would you WANNA keep them join us work this out or do you want to just give this whole thing up. I'm really not happy with it but I'm having a difficult time with it because I'm a professional enchanted clause and. I'm getting I'm trying to get bookings on one line so I I I just. It's wrong time of year to have this problem. We'd hold on your professional Santa Claus match. Correct home okay. I know you're frustrated but can I get like a little like Jojo. Oh Oh jeff pains me to see you in so much anger with T. mobile thing because you are a nice guy. You're your Santa Claus. I've only been doing a short time about thirty one years and I've I've gotten more Santa ensembles than any Existing Santa in the whole country. I've got one for every I've got a costume or and Samba for All SEC football teams Half of the ACC and about seven or eight of the NFL teams. Plus I did the opening for bass pro shops APP locally and I came out as Cammo clause and this is your busy season right now so the last thing you need is a headache with with your phone plan when this is when people are calling to book gigs these kind of a little lower than the head though. Yeah you're right. It's a pain in the two ish. Oh Oh man all right. Well what are what are kids asking for this year L. I I haven't had any gigs yet. I have one but it was canceled due to the company People got sick. I don't know what their problem was. But that's another issue. Oh my gosh all right well listen Jeff Like I said it pains me to see you going through this. I think what you should do is go into the T. Mobile. I think you need you. Need the two lines. Well Yeah I have one from my personal business and one for the Santa Bit. Okay got it all right I think you go into T.. Mobile I mean. Are you willing to wear the Santa suit there or not. Oh which one do you want me to wear. Sure we'll do. You have a pink one. Because that's their colors. Into matter of fact I have one white with curly pink for that. I use when I go visit cancer. Patients Shaw and I've got one purple with orange for for Alzheimer's Yeah I was thinking about doing that. White with pink for you're you're you're such a good person that I can't imagine that T.. Mobile would've sweet talked you into something that you're not needing I think you need to go into T.. Mobile maybe where the sue and and I think. Just keep calm you know and talk to the manager and say Look I. I feel like I was sold. One thing and my bill feels like another but the other thing is I wait until you maybe wait until you get that first bill and just see what all the charges are. See what shakes down to. And maybe there are some promotions or the things that have not gone into effect. And that's what's affecting these texts that you're getting with these These amounts when I talked to the supervisor down in Texas assist. Obviously I'm not anywhere close to that. It's a state with another T. but it's not Texas and I said I could probably get together bag of Reindeer poop and put on your. That's what Santa does right Yeah well I think I think T mobile is a good company. I think they want to work with you And I think that they're gonNA WANNA make this right especially for Santa especially during the holiday season and especially as this is the things are going to start ramping up. Hang on the line. I'm going to get your Email I'm going to Personally see to it that we get this figured out for you And make sure that we have a merry and bright holiday. Thank you rich all right. Can you let us out with a little hope. You're listening to the Tech Guy Santa's gotta go go go. You are listening to the Tech Guy. Radio show rich to Mirrow here in for Leo LaPorte. Wow more of your calls. Can you top that call one. Eighty eight eighty eight. Ask Leo one Tripoli. Eight two seven five five three six I I just cannot imagine Santa getting a raw deal on a smartphone plan and by the way I used to sell smartphones back in the day. One of my first first jobs was selling phones. They weren't smart. They were flip phones at a office supply store and I'll never forget. We had these problems all the time people would we'd Salma phone for a penny and they'd come when they got their first bill because it was several hundred dollars and he said well you didn't ask about how much the plan is and the pro rations and the taxes and the fees and you went over your minutes. It's still happening today. You're listening to the Tech Guy. We'll have more after this Welcome back to the Tech Guy. Radio show rich to Miro sitting in for Leo LaPorte. Who is on vacation vacation today? You can find me on twitter at rich to mirrow you'll find me tweet. And every once in a while jeff is in Thunder Bay Canada Jeff. You're on with rich. I on your mind today now. I'm good full disclosure. Are you Santa. Are you an L. I just WanNa be sure work began things is that I have been Santa's well cool amazing. Well clearly we have a lot of people listening in the North Pole on the show. What's going on today? He had that talking about His domains and and possibly losing them and I felt really bad. ADV for them I had a domain. I had a domain for company too and we sort of we miss not sort of. We missed the update date and so then The the renewal. You mean when it goes it went away. That's right yeah. And then I talked to the register at the time and and they wanted uninvested pay X. amount of dollars for it and we're like no no no. You're you're you're asking too much money for we'll just wait until it renews. And so then I we waited. I watched and it went through this whole process and stuff but before we could buy back again it keeps getting bought up by all these other. Other companies Janis Right. I call it holding it for ransom. Oh yeah that's that's what happening to I've I've got rich on tech DOT TV and rich on tech DOT com. Tom Is of course what I'd like to have and I every year every year I sit there on the date renews trying to see if the person forgets and no they don't forget but they don't use it no exactly exactly so when I heard this fellow just talking about his company names and and maybe he'll lose them and this and that and I'm like I just wanted to call it and and say man. I hope I hope when you go to. WHO's is he? Can he can find that information and get it. Because I'm doing everything possible to and we're just being held around some four and now it's really not the best situation right. It's not the best I it's not the best setup because I just wanna like email the person that has mine and be like. Hey can I get this is it but then you email them and what are they gonNA do now. They know you want it then right. So what does that do to the price right. That's right just drives it up even more so to me. It looks like it's just these it's it's these computer bought that are buying like. Is it do these companies. Have these box they go out and and just by these. These names that That expire sure seems that way especially it depends on if you look at if you ever try to register a name you notice that a lot of the times these new companies they drop vowels they add something that kind of like makes sense but not necessarily because all the good stuff was taken up many years ago. You know it's it's I remember back in the day. When you know you can get like regular words? I mean those are obviously the most valuable but people look. I mean people are smart if you if you see a trend trend that's happening and you kind of registered that trend. You know it's all look it's a business like anything else. Is it a perfect thing. No but and feel like yourself. I get that it's kind kind of tough to if you're running a business that you think you should have that domain because it kind of fits what you're doing and you can't get it what do you do. There's not really a person you can talk to. Yeah Yeah anyways. I just thought I'd call in when you mentioned who is and I was just feeling Feeling that guy's paying that's for sure feel. So what are you doing with yours. You still can't get it You know we. We've bought the you know we bought like dot net and dot org and and those kind of things. Instead we we worked around at that way I sure would like to dot com back. That's for sure. Yeah well hopefully one day you'll get it and then you know you can go back to Or get that you've never had it Or you had at once once we had it. Yeah we had for multiple years and then just missed. Did we miss the deadline. Now who miss the deadline wasn't you was it might have been So you have a personal ownership for that. That's for sure. Okay I was GONNA say. Is that person still with the company because You you know right but it's your company so I guess You have no one to blame. Ha No I own it so you can only blame yourself. That's that's right. That's tough well. I hope that one day you get it back. Let's let's Let's pray to the WHO is God's and maybe one day they're you're listening and you'll get your back with you on that. Hey thanks a lot register thanks for what you do there all right appreciate it Jeff. Thanks for calling in today. Have a good one all right let's see we've got rose in Santa Ana rose in Santa Ana. You're with rich. Hey rich hey first of all I want to say that you work with my son on. KTLA Joe Manchin. Kelly I love Joe I know and he loves you too and I talked to him all the time that I'm listening on the radio now instead watch. TV that's gotTa be weird. Whoa your voice sounds the same? That's good I wish it sounded better because Leo's got this set up that I thought when you sit in his chair your voice would just sound like all radio voice but apparently I guess you have to be born with that that'd be way I just seem to get really ticked off because because When they everybody says dial this phone number or punch I WANNA on the say no you mention the number you click on the number but it's a dial phone is a rotary phone and we don't have those anymore? Oh well so. What did people say? I didn't know what the term would be. You don't dial a number anymore. Oh you dial in number you. TAP MORICE is with a royal family phone will. When is that what they said? When you rotary Ua do you would rotate the number? I guess or select a number. You put your finger in the little hole and you twisted around. That's that's it's been a while since we had those days that's separately so you're saying because we have iphones and androids and it's a screen. What would you say? Hey tap me. You know that does that. Does that doesn't sound right. Say That Quick Tap Punch Punch me. We don't want to say that no not punch me but click on click on me. She doesn't have the same ring. Just doesn't sound the same way to us. Older people dial is only a rotary phone. Do you still have one of those around the house. No I don't back. I have a flip phone which I'm talking to you on. Oh Wow and I don't care for the smart ones is because my fingers have arthritis in it and when I go to dial something when you're not tiling you just just said you can't dial and saying it's funny you're tapping your tapping a number. You're tapping no no actually you're pressing because you have a you. You have a press phone there you go. I am pressing on the phones. You're pressing a number. Yes now we're GONNA get to the bottom of this. I don't know how we're going to solve this dilemma but rose I do appreciate it. It's something to think about Yes definitely but I I wanted to talk to you in person or are you know on the phone because I wanted to tell you about my son that you know she really likes you and I really liked you to watch you on TV We'll well thank you. I appreciate that and I hope you'll jail. I said hi I well. Maybe Joe's listening and he's hearing you right now and he's probably saying to himself he scratching his has had going home. That is true. Mom is right. I don't know if it's Dialing or tapping or what. What do we do nowadays? I don't know but we've got touch screens so it's all the same And you know to be honest. There's a whole generation of people that don't even remember when you actually pushed a physical button on a phone or even did the rotary phone. We've got Dick debartolo coming up next hour. GIZMO is plus more of your calls in the final segment of the show. Rich to Miro in for Leo LaPorte today. More of your calls at eight hundred eighty eight. Ask Leo after this. Welcome back to the Tech Guy. I was trying to think of other things that we say. That don't have the same meaning anymore. Our last caller was talking about dialing phone. What about when people say I'm GonNa film something? We haven't film stuff in a long time but they still say that actually gets me kind of annoyed. People say they want to take something and when was the last time you tape something record something right Dick Debartolo you know mads mattis writer joining me now. Welcome to the show. Dick Thank you so much doing a great job there thank you. There's a lot of stuff that changes over the years you know. Just that's the way it is but you know what he used to something like every time I send a thing into ABC. I say A prerecording Sunday night. And then I go. No I I used to say pre taping Sunday night at least got it down to prerecording Sunday but pre recording doesn't have the same. It doesn't tell you what you're doing pre-tape I get that you're taping something it's prerecording I'm like what are you recall. Oh what does that. Mean is pre pre digitizing pre digitizing as really what we're doing you were just at. CS unveiled CBS unveil is is a fun event in November. And it's where they I often wondered when you get to see yes out of people have flexing Twenty the twenty award winner go. The show opened an hour ago. Wonder and exactly so they announced the winners at CAS unveiled okay. These are very real problems. Yes and they also announce things they love. That report is grown at like this year. They'll be six thousand registered media from a hundred and twenty countries forty five hundred companies companies displaying gauge. And we you know how many miles we have to walk seventy five thousand germs on every turn her on every surface sanitizer. Yeah exactly and then they have exhibits there and I thought one of the most fascinating being is a company called heart hero now. This gadget exists. But the guys at Dick by the time we get all the approvals. It may may not be in the marketplace for a year so it is a portable automated external defibrillator. For the home while I was talking to the guy and he said seventy almost seventy percent of all heart attacks take place in the home or at a party or or a place where there is no definitive steakhouse. Oh yeah several. Doctors got together including a guy from the CIA who travels in Third World countries and up mountains and he thought if we had a defibrillator and this little guy is just about six inches by six six inches by an inch and a half high and weighs a little more than a pound so the place is hot hero dot com and you can read about it there and I said you know we'll look like that and the guy said this is it. It's already made we. This would work. This is a working model. Well he said but it's going to be getting the approvals for this to happen so it's a great idea that if you could have won In every home slice it all. Yes I asked He said that typical defibrillator on the cheap side now is About Sixteen hundred bucks. WE WE WANNA come in at eight hundred or under okay so family. You'll certainly jump on this well and like any other technology it. It will come down over time. I mean look what they've done they've built. I mean you see these now installed in a lot places public places that you never saw for and so now we can get them in homes. I mean just imagine and the amount of lives you would save with this thing no exactly because many count and it also pays with your phone and so when you start using incidentally calls the emergency room to get an ambulance. They're hoping yeah great idea. It's very sophisticated. So you like this you saw. And they had a working model. They had to work. They did not tried on the You know the the guys the whole the whole is people are afraid they think this is all this is got a high charge in there. He said this if the if it's going to help the person it'll send the the electric through his body. If it's not gonNA help the person it does nothing and it can shock you love it go to the website Gives ways Biz DOT DOT Biz. Do you have a challenge this week. yeah yeah the heck is it game is up there for two months so you just click on the what the heck is it Guess what it is. It's a real item But Typical mad magazine. We give more more. We get six meds for the right answer but twelve meds stupid dumb clever answers and its way of rewarding people. It's Gadget that I say. Looks like one of those things that they measure the fat on someone. But I don't know I still haven't figured it out at some it looks like it expands but I'm not sure okay. It's a good guess. And you've got your show coming up later on on twitter We do the unofficial gives is with Chat Room Fun all right Dick Debartolo. Thanks for joining amy today CBS unveiled. I will see you at the real sea. Yes in Las Vegas when we're joined by one hundred and fifty thousand other people a lot. I'll see you there buddy. Take they care. Michael is into Macula. Welcome to the shelf. I think is her Simple question view on the a friend of mine unfortunately they just died Tuesday of a massive heart attack. Oh God after the what we were talking about or what you guys were just talking about anyway. His phone is locked and his wife obviously would like to get into his contacts and that kind of stuff. It's a Samsung Galaxy. s seven even at age. What's going to be our lock? What what if we if we took the SIM card out and put it into a similar phone? Now we'll office. Sorry for your loss and your friends loss. That's my understanding is when you lock like that you lock it on. The SIM card. It is well. Is that correct. No the SIM really doesn't have anything to do with it. It's really the it's it's it will kind of lock screen is lock screen password like a code or something. Yeah Yeah exactly. Yeah I mean Gosh sorry I mean and there's stuff that the wife wants to retrieve on it absolutely well. I'm sure it's nothing important. You know mostly just like his contacts and that kind of stuff you know probably just wants that connection back and you know to so to let people know. Yeah I would say I mean. Probably just Kinda. Don't worry about this for the you know grieve a little bit. Don't worry about this happening. Right now And and when you revisit it maybe you know a month or two after you've had time to kind of time to heal and you've had time to process this stuff's not going away anytime soon. I would I there's really not an easy way to do it. That's that's the tough part but you can try some of the passwords that you think he might have used you know like data ada births and stuff like that. Maybe the You know anniversary dates stuff like that Otherwise you might be able to Get into his Google account if you have any information but here's the the bigger thing is and I do this with my wife. You you gotTa have a document

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Triangulation 422: Brett Frischmann: Re-Engineering Humanity

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Triangulation 422: Brett Frischmann: Re-Engineering Humanity

"Hi folks next step on triangulation Brett Freshman joins me. He's the CO author of reengineering humanity. We'll discuss he. And his Co authors perspective perspective that humans may being trained to give up or avoid critical thinking. And what we can do about it. Next on triangulation PODCASTS you love from people you trust this is this is triangulation episode. Four twenty two recorded November fifteenth. Twenty one thousand nine hundred reengineering humanity. This episode of Triangulation is brought to you by Capterra. Find the right tools to make an informed software decision for your business visit. CAPTERRA's free website at Capterra Tara Dot com slash triangulation. I folks I'm Denise Howell and you're joining us for triangulation I'm very excited. You're here with us today. Because I'm very excited to speak with our guest Brett Freshman. He is the Charles Endowed University professor in Law Business and economics at Villanova University and the CO author of a really fabulous book called re Engineering Humanity which he wrote together with another law professor Evans Seliger are Brett? Great to have you on the show. Oh It's a pleasure to be here. I should say okay by CO author. Evan selling a philosophy professor philosopher of technology. Sorry confessor he yeah he he might well I would. I know I would i. I didn't mention this to you as we were chatting before for the short show And we've never met before but you should know I'm a lawyer and Do Tech Law and policy so that sort of my framework of looking at things But a philosophy is also an excellent framework with which to approach the issues that you do in your book. Why don't you describe for us? What caused you in Evan? To write this. How did you to sit down together and decide? We really need to write about this issue. Well I mean the the origin story for the book is kind of interesting we Initially we each were writing Sep doing research in writing In scoping writing articles and scoping out book `projects That were separate And so I've been thinking in a bit about how technology was shaping how we think And how we behave in different contexts And had thought about out this idea which we may or may not talk about In this session but about using a reverse turing test as a way to sort of evaluate identifying evaluate evaluate when technology's affecting human behavior in a particular way and Evan had been thinking about writing a book dealing with the outsourcing of thinking of various types of thinking tasks to technology and a friend of ours set A law professor named Ryan Kahlo at University of Washington. He and I were chatting about a reverse turing test idea and he said well. You've got to meet this Guy Evans bellinger. He's a philosopher of technology at Rit in Rochester New York. And he's he's written a lot of popular press pieces and wired and other places like that and You two should really talk and I said well all right so I emailed Evan Found his email address the ad line an incentive an email and said. Hey I'm going to be in Rochester next week For Thanksgiving break like you know. Let's grab a beer As the two of US went out Had ahead of beer and started talking about our respective projects we were working on and by the end of you know a couple hours later we just decided maybe we should just consolidate validate put the books together and and In there we go and then we spent a few a number of years Working on it So it was. It's kind of like doing a for each of us a sense pursuing what you might think of as many PhD's and multiple disciplines as we were putting the book together. Um There's areas that I wasn't as familiar with he wasn't as familiar with And almost every single chapter of the book required sort of that Kamini PhD innocence right. What we have to thank Ryan Kahlo for putting the two of you together on our network said several times? Definitely uh-huh okay so for those who haven't read the book and and we encourage them to do so Let's explained as you do very nicely in the beginning of the book Y- your approach to this problem that you coin as Techno Social Engineering which as you were alluding to a moment ago is is the process of technology she affecting and changing humans in ways that Perhaps they're not aware of perhaps they are aware of perhaps is beneficial. Oh perhaps is not Why don't you explain your your term? Techno Social Engineering and and perhaps related to Term that some of US might be more familiar with social engineering which I tend to think of as as Munim sorry manipulation and trickery right so right the I is the techno social engineering of of humans. So we're we're concerned with essentially how humans how we engineer ourselves right. So we've always develop tools for millennia And in doing so we have always sort of been in a process of of engineering ourselves And you know it's one of the special things that we as Homo sapiens are capable of doing is sort of imagining things. That don't exist. Exists creating those things together Including things like technology but also legal institutions and infrastructures of different kinds Which you may think of broadly as tools But we build the environment within which we ourselves developed and that allows us to sort of gives us a means by which to engineer ourselves. And what we're capable of of doing and being And so the concept of techno social engineering is is We really use techno social together because both technologies have a social aspect or component to them. Most things we think of in terms of social institutions whether law or social norms Have a technical to like aspect to them And so we kind out of Following Sti Science Technology Studies Scholars in other disciplines kind of brought techno social together We use the word engineering. The nearing and we spent a lot of time debating alternative words. We could use besides engineering. We thought about manipulation we thought about influence persuasion nudging There's a variety of different words that have slightly different connotations. But they all describe describe in one fashion or another how humans using tools shape the behavior thinking capabilities polities of other humans. Including Clinton. We do it to ourselves as well when we use tools and so that the techno social engineering is is meant to be an umbrella. Turn that captures. A lot of those different means by which we engineer ourselves and then again the emphasis is always on how we are engineering ourselves as human beings right and and you never not real thrilled about the direction that we might be headed in that regard. There's evidence that you lay out in your book that Perhaps by our reliance on technologies and the way in which just technologies are affecting us whether we realize it or not Through things like outsourcing things that we used to ourselves That perhaps APPs as you put it. We're not interested. In the engineering of intelligent machines were interested in the engineering of unintelligent. Humans So you know we use. That is our jumping off point And why don't you give us some examples of the way in which technology may be dumbing. Ashdown right so let me put let me start by saying That the concerns about technology. dumbing down are again those are also millennia. Old Right so the idea we've there's always been and I don't always but for for for a very long time. There have been complaints about this or that technology dumbing down right or are making a causing us to be worse off or this technology that technology's dehumanizing right so we go back to socrates we see we say the same concern about out writing tools affecting our ability for oral tradition and memory The but the book we'd serve traces missile long a long way back but there's always been sort of gains and losses with respect to human capacities and capabilities as we've developed different different tools. What's difficult this actually kind of motivated me very early on when I started thinking about the reverse turning idea was just? There's there's all of these these claims and you see it very often in the sort of public policy and Sort of tech news the sort of discourse about technology nowadays. You're you're either. You're either credibly optimistic. Where almost utopian the way you think about technology when it's going to deliver or you're at the other extreme? When you're you're you're a pessimist your dystopia about everything and you worry like you know? Everything's your we're all going to be turned into Slaves And the two extremes rarely grapple with each other or with reality like with the fax Or with how we're actually interacting with technology And the difficult difficult to be difficulty about claims that this arguments that this or that technologies dehumanizing or it's making us whereas off as there's no good metric for evaluating what's dehumanizing And so one of the one of the goals goals in the book is to is not to be comprehensive and describe all of the ways in which technology may be beneficial or harmful. It's just a focus on you know. Can we zero in on win technologies affecting important human capabilities babysitting capabilities. That you you'd think are essential to human flourishing shing in one form or another and there's a there's a number of those and different people might identify or prioritize different capabilities that we have but as you suggested got it in the in the you know the idea that we're not really interested in the engineering of intelligent machines. I mean it's an important thing I care about it But I'm more we're interested so one way to say I'm not interested in like whether Watson is intelligent or not whether Watson would pass a turing test or is Watson Watson thinking in one fashion or another a much more interested in whether how the deployment of Watson in various environments whether it'd be a hospital setting or a workplace setting or home the deployment of that kind of technology How it affects the human beings within in that environment that reconfigured environment so Watson in a hospital setting to help with doctors at diagnoses and doing various things affects how the doctors the nurses the patients the human beings that environment think and behave and relate to each other For for better and for worse along different dimensions depending thinning on the the thing you might want to analyze talk about Or evaluate but in a sense. That's our focus is not so much on whether Watson's smart or not but it's on how Watson changes the environment that we're in And then the idea sern let me jump into that example. And ask you for your concern. Once Watson Watson is in a hospital setting and making decisions judgments in dictating SUGGESTED COURSES OF CARE That might otherwise have been done and by the doctors and nurses themselves that they will simply stop flexing those muscles and being able to perform those tasks themselves right so so one of one of the concerns is whether other not whether certain thinking capacities that are ordinarily performed by experts. Doctors based Don experience atrophy for lack of practice for lack of Using those skills kind of like you think of the concerns about well. So that's sort of wanting that one is that the skills themselves atrophy because you don't practice. He could think about this. You know the way that London taxi drivers is when they that there's a study with. GPS they sort of rely on the GPS their hippocampus changes and navigational skills and their ability to memorize streets and maps changes right so you might be concerned with the atrophying of certain kinds of skills that doctors or nurses might otherwise have developed or might otherwise rely quite heavily Another sort of related thing is the automation complacency and automation bias Where even in those settings where we might want to leverage the the capacity of Watson to to help us with diagnoses with prescribing courses of treatment or identifying based as on patterns in data A good Set of Steps to take going forward Just like would you've got An AI system. Manage driving the plane. Right or piloting the plane. You still need the pilot there to identify when things go wrong right and what to do to sort of takeover but the concern with automation complacency and automation nations sort of biases. That creep in when you've got you've become very used to relying on a system that's automated That's another sort of risk which is apart from whether the skills themselves there's a de Skilling of those in the environments there's concerns and then there's even if we've got a human in loop and we're relying on the human to serve as a check in the case of errors or malfunctions or You know unforeseen foreseeing based on the prior data problems The person you're relying on may be checked out Or may have difficulties responding. So there's ways to deal with these things but it's partly recognizing that they exist right making sure that even if a lot of have a pilot's tasks are automated they're still flying in environments. Where were there flying themselves? And they're doing training to make sure that they are keeping their skills Dell's sharp a- Tetra As you say you need to identify risk in and manage it as you're talking through this I'm thinking about the world of math and The fact that I have a sixteen year old or is about to be sixteen So I'm watching his education unfold on a daily says that you have kids to you right about that And so it's interesting for us as the people paying attention to these issues to sort of watch you know how we have our own real world. Experimental subjects objects in our household where we can see how this generation growing up technologically differently than we did Functions and one of the things did I see And I'm sure this was true when I was growing up I was just never a big math whiz There's a point at which They've they've they've taught them the basic calculation functions division multiplication fractions decimals all all the foundational principles. Apple's of math and then they go ahead and say well okay. You know all that stuff now and we're moving on to more complex things and you can use your calculator and they do and in my personal experience. Not only does my son use a calculator but he uses it one step removed by simply asking Siri. Sorry what is split. Systems this divided by this and then you know so at least not even punching numbers and he doesn't even have the It's really experienced that. We all had growing up with our calculators figuring out whatever equation it was that you put in that then when you turned it upside down said Boo Bliss Right. He's not experiencing that So instead he's interacting with a virtual assistant that and relying on the accuracy of the information is getting there and and Moving ahead this is just an a homework environment at school. They're not allowed to use Siri to do math. But moving that forward forward It seems like the world of math doesn't mind if you're de skilled in doing those basic functions in fact they're just kind kind of annoying and in the way when you're trying to do the more complex calculations Ed Occurs to me to that. There might be some math that were again. I'm just such not math literate person so forgive me for that but it does occur to me that there may be some fields of math. That wouldn't even even be possible without the technology that we have now and and my son tossed out. What did what did people do before they had calculators you know how did they do all this complex math and I said well? I assume that you used to be able to do everything computational early written out you know down to two trigonometry and Calculus and everything else that you would have not needed a calculator because all of those things were developed before we had those tools but now we have tools rules like potentially quantum computing Just in what would is three weeks ago. Google announced announced its quantum supremacy. I believe is the term where they Demonstrated their quantum quantum computing capability to do a calculation that would have taken our fastest supercomputers ten thousand years and they were able to complicate accomplished in two hundred seconds and occurs to me that in in that scenario you're opening up doors that that simply couldn't exist without the technology so is that a counterpoint to technology deming down or or or is it just it may dumbed down in some circumstances and in others it may be a great boon to our ability to advance intellectually. Yeah I mean I This is very important for the listeners. To know too. Is that the We by I know means claim or argue that technology's all in points one direction So I I guess I think that there's plenty of examples where Technology in computational technology and Yeah Algorithm Mickley Supported decision systems or you know. enables all kinds of things that we couldn't otherwise do In our heads or with a piece of paper and pen And a lot of those things that new visas that are opened up new frontiers in math and science that are enabled by the tools are incredible and incredibly beneficial And humans with those tools can often perform and do better than humans without or or than the machine itself could do the thing about machines whether they're intelligent or not or the tools whether they're intelligent or not They don't know what questions to ask. Ask or what what. Math problems are worth solving And that's where the the the the under having both sufficient efficient understanding of the basics of math and how math relates the real world and how math relates to system Physical and other systems allows you to employ the tools powerfully to to to you know to do things in the world that are there are largely very positive But you do need to have some understanding of the math and and maybe there's certainly debates about whether and so whether computation in ended of itself is a is a basic capacity as essential human flourishing. In fact the funny thing is in the Later later in the book where we talk about reverse during one of the reverse turing test that we suggest is mathematical computation. We think you could easily distinguish humans from Sheen's is on the basis of their performance In in a computation test basically answering a series of mathematical computation questions But then we sort of say well so pose a human being is indistinguishable from machine with regard to computation. Does that matter and we ended up saying well not not really right so we don't think that being machine like in that fashion doesn't really suggest anything about dehumanisation or that the person's you know worse off Or because machine lake in that fashion So I get the. That's one aspect to the idea of math and computation computation. I think the The broader point. I think you were raising. It's not really necessarily about math. It's about Well maybe we actually make two quick points One is to backtrack a second. Say that About humans plus machines often performed so even if you look at Chess S. for example right you think about the through the kinds of computations that a very sophisticated. Ai System can perform to figure out what's the best strategy strategy in a in a game of chess As I understand it the very best chess players in the world if you sort of have the open sort of chess where you're allowed to use computers are human machine combos and in those human machine combos where you're sort of having humans competing with machines competing against other humans who can use computers tres systems That the that's where you get the highest level of performance in part because of the there there's a synergy that she can get That's at one point to throw in there the other one. That's more general. You're raising with regard to your kids in school and the the use of technology in the schools You know is is sort of just a broader point not just necessarily about math. It's about all sorts of things where we're relying on various kinds of Ed Tech or various kinds of technologies as tools in schools And and To me that's it's actually one of the one of the areas that we talk a bit about this in the book And I've been thinking about it a lot outside of the book since Reading The book about Oh I think schools elementary all. The way up to universities is really the battleground for thinking through the role that various supposedly smart technologies play in learning and human development right. Because that's where we develop as being in our school settings and lots of the technology You know a lot of the technology that is offered and introduced in schools is improving right. It's it's introduced on the you know very optimistic optimistic views and some in some cases sometimes optimistic promises by vendors. Sometimes it's because school districts have incredibly like shrinking budgets and they see an opportunity to sort of get teaching done More efficiently Without actually knowing that the IT technologies being offered deliver What's promised And I see this. You see this we talk about in in terms of fitness fitbit's and you know the interaction fits in physical education programs at the elementary school level. But you could you could. You could extend it to the university context. Where there's there's all kinds of Learning platforms and metrics Being introduced into the classroom and teaching context where it's not clear the're at all That those technologies deliver educational benefits are learning benefits for the students but they sure generate numbers. They generates trades things to compute and to post numbers and metrics but they don't necessarily deliver in terms of learning and that's that's a big thing we talked about in the book as Fetish. Ization of anything computational anything that generates and uses data gets elevated by the promise. And I'm not saying sometimes in many any cases that promise isn't real there isn't real potential there but often it's not often it's not tested empirically. Verified uh-huh what you're getting what you're promising is actually what you're getting. Yeah you have an anecdote in in the book about FITBIT's being rolled out in Your child's school system for their P. Program and how you were the lone parent to raise the specter of surveillance that this was not something that anyone had even thought of in this context and that went crazy. Yeah Breezy once. They began thinking about it. In that context they began wondering whether it was the wisest thing to do. I have a question for you do about all this about you. Know the technologies that we have to interact with because of our schools our jobs etc.. I noticed that dachshunds is one of the people who blurbs your book And I've known him for a long time. I assume you know him too. Yep I love Docs approach due to the issues that we're grappling today. Because he always comes out at from the standpoint of the individual and he hates the word consumer for example he vastly I word customer Always tries to look at it from the standpoint of. How can we employ technology in in a way that is most beneficial to people and and with some of the issues that you're raising in your book I I wonder about the need D- For technology that is developed to fight fire with fire To to raise that red flag if you were not there to do it To let people know. Hey this thing that you're interacting with can Is Gathering this about you and that about you and these can be you. You know employed for various purposes That you might not like So I I almost feel like we. You know as we're considering in the role of technology and people's life and how they are techno socially engineered that there has to be a role for Technology not just to be Dictating or trying to manipulate what they do for whatever purpose But to be their agent as well and and to try and Guide them through that minefield Do you have any optimism optimism that we will develop things on similar tracks that we can fight fire with fire Yes and no So the first thing I'd say is yes. Docs work is fantastic. If you're if you're anyone who's out there listening not familiar with it. It's worth looking up doc. Charles and his wife enjoys Searle's looking at their work it's right that using technology analogy to enable individuals to have the freedom to be off to exercise their own. Free will to stop and think about what they're doing with various tools and how they're relating to others while they're using various tools is is incredibly important at the end of the book. We we talk about the idea of engineering friction into various techno social systems At different levels at the very micro AS Roma's at the different different levels of of the systems. We're talking about whether it's sort of putting friction between you know you're smart home devices that they only work really within your home and they don't communicate With the cloud without really you know warrant whether they really need to Or it's Engineering friction into the interfaced. Human computer interfaces that you rely on daily whether it's your human computer interface that screen on your on your smartphone or it's the Voice Assistant which is really just a human computer interface? that's via audio And so there's a bunch of like the there are lots of potential attention opportunities to do that There are the incentives of most technology. I wouldn't rely on technology companies themselves. I'm sorry to say Do most of this on their own behalf and in fact there's there's often it cuts the other way so one example You can do this right now. Now Live if you want or folks who are listening in could do it is if you just if you have an iphone and you pull out your iphone for a second and and and go into your settings go to privacy turn off the GEO location services for a second right one once you've done that let's just walk through for a second What you need to turn Geo location tracking services is what they call it should be? It should say Geo Location Tracking Geo location tracking on. What what do you need to do? While you click a button right you hit that button and then what do you see what you see is what color a little green tab right in green makes you feel like it's good. It's green for go good to go right now. You've got your phone. Are you doing it. I'll turn it off all right. Good Awesome see green. Everybody now turn it off. What are you need to do? What steps did you take? I pushed when it is no longer green right you you took to turn it off you press a button and then you get a warning text that says hey you know if you proceed. Various things are going to turn off and it's not gonNa work with all various APPS and then you've got to do another step which is Sonali have to read text which people tend to want to do. But then you've got what's the color of the next thing you need to hit. Actually turn it off. I don't know they may have changed this in in Iowa because I didn't get any weird tax or anything I just turned it on. We went to read read and now it's just white now so they maybe they listened to my my Yet yes and then to turn it on. It just goes green again and it tells me all the services that are using location traffic tracking and they're way too many I got at this is this this is changed as it goes. This is a great thing I mean a week ago. This wasn't the case. Yes this is this is an update but if you what what would have happened in two weeks ago what has and I've that's shots. I mean I've written about this published somewhere What would have happened? Was You'd get a warning texts and it would be read Ed Click again. And so there's there's to to turn tracking on it it's a smooth friction lists slide to to be on. You've got to take a number of stacks uphill and there's a bunch of friction that slows you down and is discouraging. Like read. Text suggested a warning so the ideas commuting the term properly but I think of that as a dark patterns in the world face is. It's not a take a dark pattern and what I wrote about in this paper called nudging humans which is online but it's not a dark dark patterns take advantage of a cognitive bias this to get you to do something against your interest. That's in the interest of the person who's nudging you or manipulating you. The the description I I just gave about the iphone Geo tracking is justifiable. It's not it's not necessarily against your interest you can justify it. From from a transaction cost analysis basically say lots of users prefer the default of always being on because then they don't have to go into settings and fiddle with all the little controls And so it's it's it's different than the typical dark pattern because you can see the designer can justify the practice as actually being into some of the customers or users exactly art pattern but the point is to say that the you could imagine the design being customer customer friendly and adopt Searle sense right so a customer friendly version would be asymmetrically designed in the other direction. When you WANNA turn Geo tracking checking on there would be a little red button? They would say. Are you sure you WANNA turn it on because if you do there's fifty different apps on your phone they're going to have access to where you are and win and then you could you know you gotta take an extra step and then when you want to turn it off it would be green in other words. You just flip it so you may make asymmetric in in favor of being off of of having privacy right you make it friction friction full to lose your privacy privacy and be tracked all the time but of course the the incentives pushing the opposite direction because it's a multisided platform and there's other parties. There's other customers of apple besides you. The other customers are the advertisers and the other APP that they APP developers and that that same sort of scenario repeats repeats itself over and over and over again and the digital network world. We're often dealing in multisided markets where there's not just one set set of customers. There's customers who are you and me and individuals but then there's also the customers than the other side of these multisided markets And so the intermediaries intermediaries in between the designers of the human that you know the platforms or The human computer interfaces often have to cater to multiple sides of the same market in their design. And so. That's that's why I'm a little bit leary of relying on technical Technological Solutions To some of the techno social engineering problems I've identified. I mean think there are some By wouldn't necessarily rely on the platform designers seiners to come up with them themselves and it really takes a lot of pressure to get them to change them. I'm hoping that you're are experienced. Two seconds ago with your phone is indicative of a system wide update as opposed to phone just being for some reason idiosyncratically different than mine or a bunch of other people people. So we'll see we. We have a highly technologically savvy audience and folks in IRC. You're telling me That I o s in general always uses green or grey and not read. That's not a recent thing But still it's you know there's a difference between Green and grey And that on if you're you're an android user again you're not going to get a text. There's just an off switch to turn off location tracking so I Definitely see your point about Certainly from a legal standpoint and you spend a lot of time in your but giving the example couple of how we've all been trained to click okay on contractual terms and how detrimental that is on any number of friends and this is a have a similar kind of situation just because it is kind of a contract whether you're you're agreeing to be tracked or not and certainly I think under the GDP are in the EU and under California's new privacy law. That's GonNa go into effect January these things have meaning and the The legal structure and maybe this is part of the friction. That you're hoping that we employ as societally against against some of these systems is the legal structure. Seems to be encouraging technologists. Hey you for years and years. We've had this this Everything is opt in until you affirmatively. Opt Out we'd like to see you go the other way now and especially when it comes to location services is an and the gathering of other kinds of personal information about people Associate Panicky clients right now going. Hey what does this all mean for us this and trying to iron that out with all good intentions. There's a whole bunch of design options that we never see right in between the extremes so both in terms of the click. I agree your rights. As a whole chapter in the book run engineering humans with contracts is about the the design of the Click to contract act interface optimized to get a rational perfectly rational off automatic. Click which most of us most of those people most of the time time Just click regardless of the context right whether you are talking about websites or APPs or smart TVs in your living room and you're installing them and then we'll soon see with the IOT Internet of things lots of supposedly smart devices whether we'll see the click contract interface being the means by which You know you secure that you create legal relationship but there's lots of things inbet- Both for the click. I agree for contracts but also for the even the geolocation services example. There's plenty of others There's lots of intermediate design options that could for example. Call to mind the most salient set of terms for which user engagement or deliberation engagement matters most And then there's certainly plenty of terms in Electronic contracts in different sectors that are more that are largely uniform for which there really is no Reason that consumers consumers or customers need to deliberate all that much because they're not up in the air they're not up for grabs and they're not in any way Different from their set of baseline expectations. There's a whole bunch of things we could be doing differently but the incentives don't really point in that direction and even the even the GDP are doesn't necessarily push where California's privacy. I don't necessarily push towards towards the creation of those intermediate options that would call would sort of raise the salience of what's really meaningful and important Because in many of those things to slip slip under the radar right and this is one of those situations where I almost feel like. It's a perfect opportunity for a fight. Fire fire with fire scenario. Where there's something that is You know going along with you in your daily life and and noticing these things that you're you're presented sided with and encouraged to agree to and and certainly the average person isn't like you and I are going to Dell Dell deep into those terms of service or see policy policy and sound writing a paper on that semester. Exactly what you said. It's a great your rights. If you had Y- ETA means by which for each of us to Like even even you and I were both lawyers we think about these things. I don't read every single contract. I clicked through do you. I mean if you did. There's studies end this. You would spend you know I forgot the number eighty something days a year reading electronic contract in terms. I mean you can't possibly has the time that's impart why it's perfectly rational to just click. I agree every time you confront because it's not just in in the moment in any particular interaction It's a take-it-or-leave-it proposition. And the stake seem rather small so you might as well just click. I agree it's also so in the stream of many many many interactions over the course of a week a month a year The many different times you interact with the interface. How do you know which each of those many interactions are ones that are worth stopping and thinking about? It's that self that kind of decision fatigue before you even get fatigued about. They don't even make the decision because you don't know which one to make and so an automatic kind of habitual Clicking behavior becomes the default for most of us most of the time unless something about the context the in the service provider for example interacting with unless something causes us to stop. And think and that you're right it would be great if technical solutions could help us identify for those reasons. 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Explain in a second what that means and but it's also conceptually useful. I think for everyone who's not going to go out there. Running experience conceptually useful for away for you to think about how you relate to technology technology effects you you in your capacities and whether the the ways the capacities that technology affects our essential or important To what it means to be human So the the way we got to verse during Tests One way to think about it is As I said at the very beginning many people complain that this or that technologies to humanizing. We don't really have a baseline to figure you'd need sort of a baseline to say well. It's dehumanizing you need to know what what being human is in the first place and that's been debated for Millennia and we you still haven't resolved it And what that kind of triggered in my mind was Sort of an analogy to turing. 's famous paper where he asked and then in the nineteen fifties when he asked they know can machines think right so he starts out his his his starts out asking machines think and he says look that that will lead to intractable debate because intractable definitional debate about what those words even mean and so instead he sidesteps that question. He says well turns his well. Why don't we have an observational test? If machine was mistaken for a human being was indistinguishable from a human being In a in its performance in a in a sort of just basic conversational exchange and so a judge who looks at you. You know. There's different agents in different rooms. uh-huh humans and machines are software programs. Really and they're engaging textual conversation if a machine was thought to be by the Observer to be a human well then maybe that would maybe not necessarily but maybe that would We could say that. That machine was intelligent right. That would identify a remarkable machine machine. And then we'd want to evaluate whether the machine was in fact intelligent or not and so the idea was for us reverse during tests was well. Maybe we should be focused on the human side of the turing line. We should think about whether humans are behaving a machine likewise so we can use simple machines jeans as a baseline right and say with respect to some basic capacity It could be that we start with intelligence capabilities like we talk about mathematical computation. And you know Commonsense rationality and say with different kinds of intelligence tests. You might think is a human acting acting in a mechanical way in like a simple machine right are they in so you'd be able to distinguish humans from machines machines or artificial intelligence agents for example with regard to commonsense pretty easily wanting in the book that I love Ah of of Reducing human interactions to you a more machine like interaction. is you see something online. It moves you deeply in some way either in its beauty or the touching relationship that's being portrayed between a parent and child or You know what have you you see something. And you're encouraged to interact with it. You might type out a comment or you might just click like or heart and all of those complex emotions. are reduced to a token indicator of pleasure approval. And you move on right right. So you've been we've been trained rain to click buttons as opposed to deliberate deliberate or express ourselves in more meaningful ways in a variety of different contexts. Right so it's whether it's the click. I agree for contracts or it's is clicking a superficial button instead of formulating deliberate response We talk a little bit about in the book and I have a peer review paper. That's out for you right now about a study. We actually ran a field experiment on facebook using fake happy birthday notifications. Seeing how people can at work we got good evidence it's You know the the response rate on a fake birthday on the wrong birthday was in statistically statistically indistinguishable from the response rate on the confederates or the the person whose page it was on their prior to actual birthdays people respond at the same rate Only less than a percent of people actually catch on that. It's a fake birthday. This is all motivated by the story. I tell in the book which is true about one years years ago On a whim I was annoyed. That people by eight my email inbox flooded with these facebook notification saying if people wish me happy birthday my actual birthday. I said you know what the I don't want to have to clear my inbox. So Chink went onto facebook and change to a random day six months later of course what happens in reality then six months later I got the exact same thing happens again. Everybody responds happy. Daybreak Happy Birthday bread and I thought about. It actually doesn't really matter. Everyone's behaving rather like this is kind of like a turing riverspring during testing away. Everyone's behaving automatically like a simple machine because they're all week ties like everyone that you're faced most of the people on facebook friends with it's like if I told you today or your audience member or I went with a coffee shop and I said to someone. Hey it's my birthday today that the socially engineered responses happy birthday regard because no one has a reason to know my actual birth they end so the socially appropriate thing to do is to say happy birthday there. It doesn't matter if you're online if you're in the coffee shop or whatever the medium is the response is the same aim for weak ties but what caught my attention years ago and sort of catch this a little bit in our field experiment as well is strong ties by sister-in-law my brother other wish me happy birthday happy birthday with a big exclamation point and that was like like. How did you send this automatic response? Wydent they recognize the fake signal. That why didn't they stop and think system to their brain. Why didn't they stop and think about the veracity of the signal while the reason reason why is because when you're on facebook you're more or less trained to not stop or think right? The whole the platform is largely about very superficial engagement gauge meant in a very particular kind of way. Of course I don't Wanna say everything on facebook. I'm also on facebook partly because I teach and I feel like I need to be able to would know what different social how different social networks work but also because I write fiction and I'm a member of fiction writing group on facebook and and there in that small context the the exchanges actually armour deliberate and thoughtful with a group of people who are sharing opinion. So let's say it's I actually think. Social media has lots of upsides lots of benefits but it also so is an in many contexts in many different ways. It's designed optimized for for what they like an Orwellian doublespeak. They call engagement. It's not real engagement. It's sort of a superficial clicking hearts and lakes and you know v very superficial engagement. That's more or less scripted. And so the a fake happy birthday experimentally ran is actually like a an applied version of one of our reverse turing test. It's where you ought to stop and think strong ties People who really know your birthday. Who really know you ought to stop and think about the veracity of the signal? But they don't at least they'd say at a rate specked final question. Then are you a fan of the controversial instagram step. To hide likes. That is rolling out globally as we speak. Sure I mean one of those things that sort of it's it's IT'S A. It's a step towards a you know attempting to minimize a particular harmful aspect of the design. you know it it it constrains one source of you know like when you're clicking on all this stuff to the other thing is is your performing digital labor that creates data that's harnessed rather than so like if you're there eliminating one particular source of that free labor you know. Maybe that's a good thing you too but it helps yeah it leads away from training us to behave superficially so yeah. The the idea that we're turning tests is largely to think about when we behave even a machine like way with respect to a capability that's matters that's essential to human flourishing and then we can get into a normative or political or ethical Kohl debate about which human capabilities really matter right whether it's our ability to deliberate to think for ourselves to exercise our free will have some baseline level of common sense Whether to be able to empathize and relate to each other socially There's a variety of basic capabilities. Ladies that I think matter and that at the same time are at risk of being diminished in a world where we outsource them to technology knowledge. Because there's always an APP for that and there's you know that's the that's the the short rift on it refunded right well. I've certainly enjoyed your book and your thoughts and your insights into this thorny issue. I do wonder whether there's a future where where your book and it's observations. In prescriptions actions could be written by an algorithm and along the lines of fighting fire with fire I'm glad we don't have to answer that question now. I'm glad that you and your co author actually wrote Your Book and have not lost the capacity to do that It is just a great pleasure. Having had the opportunity. Eighty to chat with you today. Is there anything final comments or thoughts or anything. You'd like to plug promote before we sign off for our recession here today on triangulation. Yeah I mean I think the I mean the most important thing for me to plug is I think is the book and the and the follow on work on it. I mean I I It's one of those things we hope. people read it's relevant to boast so many of the ongoing debates. It covers a lot more than than just this. Humans becoming machines kind of angle. It gets into how smart various systems ought to be and how to think about the political moral issues behind them And it's got us is sort of like I said there's a lot of a lot of work went into sort of doing many PhD's and like lots of important topics and then distilling it into a relatively accessible the Public book for the public. So I think it is not just an academic slog. It's really written this. Is You know one of the reasons took US many years to do it was and in many many reviewers is to sort of boil it down and sort of translated without losing the what we think of as the the rigor necessary To communicate indicate to the broad audience white listeners. Find Ida readable in useful me to what I love about. It in particular is that it's full of real world examples that just us make you stop and think and go. Oh my goodness yes. I hadn't thought about it that way so but I've heard yes. I love it by day. Engineering humanity is the book by Brett Fishman. WHO's been kind enough to join us here today and Evan Seller thank you so much Brett Pleasure speaking with you you hope to do so against you too. Thank you very much. All right take care and let everyone listening know that we record this show. Generally at eleven o'clock on Fridays. We started a little bit early today. Eleven o'clock Pacific Time. So if you'd like to join us live that's when you should do so by going on over to twit DOT TV but don't don't worry if that doesn't fit into your schedule you can always go to twitter dot TV slash triangulation and our whole archive of shows. Is there for your listening pleasure on your device of have choice at timeframe of choice. So we're just thrilled the join US however wherever whenever you can and please do so again next week on triangulation Asian until then please take care.

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TWiG 478: When a Doorbell Rings, a Roti Gets its Wings

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Mr. Kevin c. toefl of about Chromebooks dot com. Hello, Kevin? Hello right now all about this playground on the pixel we've been playing with it. So Kevin has, did you get a reunion or just get your pixel today is a review. Okay. Mine the official one that I bought came today and I got black. Did I didn't have the. Fortitude shall we say to get the pink, not pink one. And now I wish I had because this is very black Laurie warring. I have the pixel two, so we could kind of compare on the backs. They very similar looking. Although the pixel two, which is the white one head a medal back. This has a plastic bag, but they feel a glass back, I guess. I don't know. It's all glass feels very similar to toned kind of this is more rounded and I don't. I don't. You probably can't z and it feels a little bit more solid. Maybe a little thicker, it's hard. It's really hard to tell. I guess not does it feel it's gonna fall at your hands? I mean, every time I have with the glass cases, I feel like I'm going to break this sucker. Not that it doesn't feel slippery, particularly. I have to say the screen is awesome. It really looks paid it on. You know what I forgot within seconds about the notch, but maybe that's because they use an iphone. Tennis so, but doesn't that screen looks super solid. This is one of the Google live wallpapers. I called it last week. We found out they use Simpson's Hamsun which so in other words, this looks every bit as good as say. Niner s. nine you know, the display display mate people that who us all this screens. Yeah, they came out with their their re report this week and they said it's an ape plus. I don't know if it's quite as good as the ones that Samsung uses for their own phones. But I mean, if you can tell the difference in, I'll give you a dollar because that's impressive. Now I turned on boosted colors which makes it look very much like a Samsung, but you know what? This does make sense. It's a sense. I'm display because it has the same options. The Samsung displays have natural. See if you could tell the difference in the picture flowers. I don't think on the on the on the stream you'll be able to boosted, which is just a little more vibrant and then adaptive. I, I guess it came set up with natural, but. I'm thinking that is probably a sensible choice. Right? Adapting to this. Does that mean like when you lower the blinds, it's going to react? No, I think. Well, that's a good question. My guess is an unsung phones. It means it adapts to the content, right? So, yeah. I like boosted honest with you with those icons do really look painted on. I mean, and the Texas, very, super Chris by said it a little bit larger text for my old is now you have the notch. Mine is not Louis. Oh, you have the little one the little bitty. No, no, no. You turned off the notch? I did. I did. I'm watch. It's, I don't mind it either, but I'm trying to get trying to figure out which I like better. So you haven't double chin phone. I have a double chin film, but it's a little more symmetrical result today and there's no consumer facing way to do this, but you can do it in developer options, tap the Bill number, and then you can get an option to turn the Nacho off. But thinking about three people really hate the notch. And I've been looking at this notch and I think the reason people ate the notch apple, there's that you'll find an article somewhere by designer. I think it's on medium about Apple's, not and the curves, the youths for the much detail they put Google didn't. They didn't really pay as my, you know, if I should get my iphone ten so you could see, but Google didn't quite pay as much attention. And so this looks more like a, it's certainly a bigger notch, but it also looks it. It's it's hard to describe it. It looks more aggressively Naci than Apple's notch, which is not only shout more shallow here is this, this is your phone, right? All right. So it looks like a tab in chrome upside down. How are we gonna see. Watch there. It is there. It is there as you can kind of see the notch there. So there's a see how much shallower and wider the apple notches than the Google search. And I think also the and this is really subtle, but look at how the curves are on the apple watch. Apple put, apparently great deal of design into those curves and looked at the curbs and the Google notch. And as a result, the Google notch almost looks like it's coming in on itself at the top. It looks like a fate, and I think that's what people more objecting to than the size of the notch. To be honest in any event, I think it's a tempest in a teapot. I don't think it's going to bother. Anybody we're used to notch is now camera has to go somewhere. It's got. Will you know, go ahead. Now I was going to say if I tally up all the time in my life, I've now spent talking about not, you know, I could have beaten a really nice dinner. Uh-huh. Maybe done a couple Coutts art personally more perturbed about the lack of a headphone, Jack, but you just have to kind of give up on that, I guess. Oh, man, my husband, he's got an iphone six. Was that the last one? My mom will give up her iphone success because she doesn't want she. He's like it's small and it has a headphone Jack two things I want in a phone. So I'm like, oh, buddy. I hope that less. Out of support now this coming year or this, you know, you're gonna you, he's going to have to get a Samsung phone. This comes with and deeter bone in the verge said. These are actually, you know, thirty dollar type c headphones. But he said. They're actually surprisingly good quality, and at least this time the type c works with all types of devices. So I'll try it because as you can see, I just got this. I haven't chance, but I'll try it with a Samsung type c and other type sees essential phone had a type c headphones as well. That didn't work with everything only worked with the essential. So I. Yeah, this doesn't solve the problem though because you can't charge well, I guess you can't if you've got wireless and by the way I'm waiting for it. If it comes will open it up today. The the pixels each pixel, three charger, which I also ordered, but I put this on a Samsung rapid charger and it was able to charge it sideways. So I could have the phone sideways, listen to the headphones and still charge it. If you're using wireless these headphones movies. Yeah, right. These headphones are interesting because they have a new year loop, which would I presume in Inari. So this is going to go in the inside of the year and stabilize it. Yeah. Yeah. Let me let me just try it. Yeah, it does it. It's nice, and it isn't just just like the buds. Right. So you can. You can. I think that's actually a nice touch. I have such sensitive ears. I think I have both small ears and sensitive ears because I've got like my job ones. I can only keep those in for like two hours like I whole ear gets sore hurts. Yeah. No, I'm with you on that. So I have. You can't use. I take out my headphones and I read a book. Well, you know, the other option is this and this. These are molded to your ear. You have to go to audio Logist and they pour stuff in your ear, and you have to sit still for two minutes, and then they pull it out and the company that took, you took your camera phone and you actually stuck a quarterback, Steve. Yeah, I don't know how well that works. These are very comfortable as a result because they, they're, they're I, I wear these all day on some days, right? So that's your job. It is my job. And I, I like, you know, as as a radio host for years always wore over the ear soft over the your headphones, like those. AK g k to forty s and I still wear those in the studio and the other studio. I like them. But these are these are better for on camera because you can't really see him. These are the these are, I think of them as the Bano headphones. I tell you what if you ever I'll try those out, would you guys pay for them? Yeah, they're only thousand dollars from alternate years. So the funny thing is though, is that that was good? Yeah, we have our that. We got a new technical director Carson's got the day the week off. You know what Carson's doing by the way, he's building a haunted house for his kids school. Nice. A man of many talents, but I was just saying these thousand dollar headphones. There. I think they're j. Audio is the make manufacturer former. See it used to be. They use a headphone Jack, so I can't use them with anything except. Old fashioned, obsolete studio gear. The day studio gear loses headphone jacks is the day I retire. You have an adapter with the pixel. Three. Yeah, comes dungle. It actually. I can't even get into the bucks here. I'll show you. You got stuck in there. Got it. And you're stuck in a TV. It comes with a CDC connector, which is very handy when you're copying your data over and if your phone is not that kind of phone type c phone, it also comes with a type, two type c adapter for the same purpose. And even though apple no longer includes it, it's got a type c, two headphone Jack adapter, apples decided according to apple, nobody uses headphone headphones anymore. That use headphone jacks. So we're just not going to bundle those anymore. Everybody's on bluetooth now. This is, you know, I think this is so far I'm liking this that I've been taking pictures, and I do have to say, I feel like the the portrait mode and the picture modes are pretty good. Healy. See if I can find some find some pictures. These are low light shots behind the scenes studio shots. Actually, I should pull these up on Google photos because by now they're copied over to Google photos, but look at that that's a portrait of my wife. I think that's really nice, and that's in portrait mode. So I can do the slider. It actually did top shot for some reason. They're the same. So I get to chew. I get it ones in portrait normal and one's normal. I get it. So how do I do the slider is that this. That should be here in the edit settings down below. Well, there's your color pop. Nope. Tap to change focus, so I could. That's gonna. That's gonna. Do the color. Oh, oh, should I do the color pop and just make, let's see, make her face, be color. Oh yeah. Everything else is back black and white. That's kind of cool. Those remember the nineties, those little art, keep pictures of kids. Yeah, all those silly effects are back baby. I, I'm actually pretty excited. I think this is going to be a very nice phone personally. I'll have to FX make professional looking photos, but how I don't know backup. Oh, I have to turn all this stuff on. Now it's copying to Google photos. So when you first get it, you at this happened last year, I seem to remember you plug the cable into your old Google phone. If you have type seeded type series, the adapter, it'll copy a lot of that stuff over. I was able to set this up literally about fifteen minutes, even downloading all the apps and everything. Have to log into a few things because it doesn't copy passwords over, but very easy setup. It looks exactly the same as my pixel two. If you're moving from pixel two and they now do a similar setup, if your carrier supports it, if you're a Google fi-. User. I, it's I, it's funny. I took the sim- I'm so used to it. I took the sim Popper popped the sim the slot out of my pixel two, there's no sim in it. I went realize they don't do SIMS anymore. Simplest one. Yeah. So you're on Google fight. Were I presume other carriers support it? It'll do that automatically just say, yeah, I'm with Google fi, and it goes, okay, fine. You want to transfer everything the number over. Yeah. And so now this is my five phone. What do you think Kevin you'd like to feel? I do. It's a little bit big for my hands, but it's, I mean it feels really well made. It is an all glass back. And yet this bottom thir- two-thirds is frosted glass. It's frosted gorilla glass. So it has that. Soft touch feel, which is amazing to me. I don't feel like it's slippery at all. No, no, you use cases don't you Stacey? You're not gonna go case. No, but I just I use cases in part because I don't trust my ability to hold onto these things. Well, I think you'd probably want to get a case on this too because it is it's. Glass. Once a week, so so I always get, you know, I get these standardized. You know, this is from ring. He r I n g k e, but there's millions of companies are under ten dollars. Just rubber sleeve gives it grip protects, doesn't protect the front, but protects the the size in the back. I don't know. I, I'm, I'm excited. I'm a to Friday, at least in. I are going to go into San Francisco, and we're going to go do some photo, shoot in Chinatown, try to get some low light and different kinds of pictures. So we could show them on the new screensavers in next week on this show. If you do anymore portrait's the the setting for depth changing the death after the fact it's not with the filters. It's the next one over where you would edit the light color at cetera. Thank you for you in that research sugar. So it's it's. So I like the the little slider next to the share, not that one. Yep. That one and then click it again, this one, the slack. Yeah. Oh, look at that. Oh, that's pretty sweet. Okay. Change the book. Hell, look at where it's challenging for all these phones is the hair that look at that stranded hair on the right. Let's see. Yes, see, it's gone out of focus even though it's in the same, roughly same focal plane is your head. Those. Those are always the challenging things to figure out what's part of her and what's not. And it looks like there's some trouble with their fingers as well. Let's see too bad. The knuckles of got out of focus. Who wants their knuckles and focus. It's wrinkly and unfocused, yeah, you see the pinky it. It shouldn't really be going out of focus with the table, but it is. My best feature. I don't know what you're talking about. Discard changes. I think what you need though, is that ring Debbie and focus. Zoom in the ring. Iraq looking at. That's what they're looking at. Her hairpieces looked really good there when you zoomed in on it just because it's all in the ref focus, but see this. This is actually a perfect examples. Yeah, that strand is in focus above the tailing. Yes. Yes. Okay. I do see out of focus below the table. That's exactly the problem. An apples of Portland has exactly that problem as well. It's unfortunate because, but you know what you have to really pixel to see if you're looking at the picture. If you looked at this on Instagram, unless you're looking for it, you're going to say, none of that looks great. So I think that's a, you know, the lighting and color now Kevin, not every features turned on this camera yet. Right. See I can't figure that out because the whole night site thing I think is not there yet, and I've seen some reviewers saying, look at these dark photos of site. They're not doing it. I don't think you did and they're not even that good. So I'm thinking not. I think not either because I'm getting motion, blur it with its low light. And one thing we know is it'll go as low as a quarter of a second. Would you cannot handhold a quarter of a second. It'll have blur in it, and the people will be blurry when that nightside comes in. It's going to take what did they say, fifteen images and then pick and choose image stuff, and it'll be it'll be able to do that. One of some of the images will be as slow as quarter of a second, but not all. You're right. That's doing that yet. I wish they had actually had that in the demo room. At the event saying here, we've got this dark area setup right injuries. One device has night sights. You get an idea. What we got was the the comparison of the tent has sources the pixel three on stage. I think you know three point nine million of these last year. That's all Google sold. It's a minor blip in the phone universe less than a week's worth of iphone sales. So, but I think you know, this is Google fans and this to me, this is the Android phone of choice. If you ask me, it is big this weekend, Google right on. It's not this weekend. Phones. All right enough of that. Let me take a break. We'll come back. We, we've shown you the pixel maybe before the show's over we'll get the charging stand. One of the questions I had on the charging stands is they showed some stuff, special stuff that that it happens when it's on the charging, STAN. Well, after looking in the settings, it looks like that special stuff also can be on any anytime is charging things like the clock dimming and all that stuff. I don't know. Yeah, the the one thing that I don't know about yet is the slide show, right? That's where they do placating the home hubs slide show capability. Have you figured that out. Yeah, I've got the live albums on there, and I also tested the next door Bill integration. So after the break I can. But you have to have the question is, do you have to have the Google wireless charger for that to work? I believe so. I suspect there's an NFC bit shorter taking gas because I have a Samsung wireless charger charges the phone rapidly, but I don't get any of those extra fees. You don't? Okay. Okay. Good. Never mind. So there's apparently there's a pixel stand app that turns on all of those features. Somebody in the Chatham says the standup came out today. I don't have a standup and I never got one. It works. Oh, well, maybe they put it on there just for you, maybe maybe. I don't know. See, I'll see it. I don't know. All right. Let's let's see what the standup does. We'll go to the break and figure this out while you're reading. That's what the ads are for. Okay, everybody go make a sandwich, though. It's time to talk about cachefly. The show is brought to you literally by the folks at cachefly. That's our CDN our content distribution network. If you're in the business of getting data to customers, whether it's a podcast, an app, I think a lot of businesses these days in fact could use a CDN content distribution network is designed to give you high speed downloads for your customers. Part of the way that works cachefly works is because it has multiple servers all over the world. 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Just a billion people. It was like an important game too. I can't remember, but I was really peeved or they're all important in World Cup. They're all important. A big. Donovan, big football. Sorry. If it's a sporting event, it's all it's super important. If someone if it's a debate between Beto and what's cruzi Ed cruise cruise, what is cruises? What is Donald Trump's nickname for Ted Cruz lion? Ted, lying Ted, it is it allowed for Beto to use lying Ted or is that trademark Trump properties? I don't think that will really wants to be like Trump. That's my Ted didn't Ted Cruz family assassinate president, Kennedy my wrong on that. Yeah, I've heard people say that. Yeah. Yeah, his dad because he was the soda killer. Oh, that's right. He had to be busy, zodiac killer. Oh, well, he's grandpa Munster on the on TV's Munster's show. I'm sorry we shouldn't. We shouldn't get into this. Your dad. Well, he has no. No, what's going on? We don't know why YouTube went down and I presume it didn't have anything to do with the debate. Probably not. No. No, so so this is interesting. And when you get your pixel stand, you'll see what I see. I think there is no pixel stand app on my pixel three instead. In fact, a, you probably can go see this in the settings of the phone. There's a connected devices option. Would you choose that have seen? Yeah, you click in there and it doesn't show up in there either, but because I've already paired my phone. And I go into previously connected devices and I have pixel stands showing up in there with settings, a ha and in the settings, I can tell it, here's what I wanna do. I can screen off after door back in do not disturb. The neat thing is an found this out through injury police while you're doing the ad, you can have multiple stands and configure them differently. One wanted home because it's what's it's by pairing. It is. So there has to be some communication method. In fact, Andrew police says, they've checked it on a pixel to even with the pixel stand app installed, and it doesn't give you these options and features. So you may be able to get the app, but I don't think he's gonna do anything for you. Keep your eye peeled the John for my my Google box. I thought they'd have to gather. I'll have to turn bluetooth off and put it in the stand and see if I still get the features and whatnot because maybe it's bluetooth, but I think it's NFC. I think it would make more sense, but but. If it's, oh, yeah, I guess I guess it all could be stored in the phone, any per stand settings just be stored on the phone. That makes sense. I really, I'm I have to say, I think this is going to be my daily driver going forward. And I have the note nine and the s. nine. Driver? Is that your phone? Yes, that's what we call our. What? What does that mean daily the phone. We use every day once every couple of weeks on on our podcast. He podcast I have to tell her this is how the kids say it. The kids. It's the show Stacey gotta start your show. Hi guys essentially. That's normal. That's normal. So Google has decided to play hard ball with the EU. Wow, I very curious what you you all think about this. Remember the European Commission's decided that Google was competing inappropriately in the EU find them, what was it? Five billion dollars Google's appealing that fine. But the Google said we've been working, this is Hiroshi Laupheim, commerce of of Android talk, and we've been working on how to comply with the decision. We now have formed. The European Commission of the changes will make while the appeal is pending. I. We're updating the compatibility of the mobile device makers that say, how androids used going forward, Android partners wishing to distribute Google apps may also build non-compatible or forked smartphones and tablets for the European economic area. That was one bone of contention. Google said, if you wanna put our apps on there, which customers want you can't make an alternative, Android AO p p version of your phone. You have to either be Google apps device maker or not. I think the argument for that is confusing to consumers. They want an, you know, consumers is buying a phone. They wanna know if they're going to get the Google experience or not, and it's not just an alternate version of at a particular phone. If you make, if you sign the arrangement and licensed the Google play store, mobile services and apps, you can't make any non Google devices. Oh, that's interesting. You can't make any non Android. You can't make a a ties in device or something like that. No, no, you can do. I think you can do ties in. You can't do Android, Android source. Source in the other way. Right, right. It's a OS p Android or Google Android as I would say, yes. If you do Google Android, you cannot make any non Google Android devices. And somebody actually tried that it was Acer or sues and the product was launched and quickly squash now. Well, that's changed so. And that was one of the things you competition commission didn't like. And Google says, now if you're an Android partner and you want to have a Google phone, you can also build non-compatible phones or forked smartphones for that. Either way. Notice that's for the European economic area only right that that also means theoretically, Amazon could make Google device. Oh, that's interesting. But here's where they're playing a little hardball. Device manufacturers will be able to license the Google mobile cash, mobile applications suite separately from the Google search app or the chrome browser. Since the pre installation of search and chrome together with our other apps helps us. Or helped us us to help us fund the development and free distribution Amand ride. We're gonna make you pay. We're going to introduce a new paid licensing agreement. Android is free and open source. But if you want the Google apps and you're in the EU, you're gonna pay a fee now, and this is for the companies who are building this now, but the companies pass it along. So it means a more expensive phone. I think. What's clear is what the what the fee will be. But what is very clear is this is Google saying, all right, EU we'll show you, we'll comply, but it's going to cost you. It's most most importantly, it's going to cost EU consumers. Or will it. I, and I only say that because the details are not here and I've been hearing some back chatter that companies such as Samsung or Nokia or whoever for EU phones, yes, they'll pay Google to license it, but then Google would actually give them some incentive back. So it may just be an accounting wash. I don't know. I, I'm very curious to see the details of all the well. That was part of the problem. Google was apparently paying some companies to use Google apps. But you know what? This happens all the time and I, you know, worked in the cable industry. I familiar with this with tech TV. You know, in theory, the way cable television works is the cable. See, you know, the individual cable companies. You know, you're Austin, cable pays tech TV for the right to carry that programming. But the way tech TV gets on Austin cable is by going to them with a sack a bag of money saying. I mean between you and me, we're paying you to take our channel for the first five years, and then you could start paying per subscriber whether they call his Co. marketing dollars, they say it. This is money to help you advertise the fact that you have TV now don't worry about spending it all on billboards, whatever you she deemed necessary is sufficient. And so we would pay them and then five years later, the contract flips and they start paying us, which is why it costs. And it's, I remember when I first I worked for, I was a third employee of seen it back in the early ninety s and maybe the fourth I was the third of the fourth in my I was charged with at the time Halsey minor Shelby, Bonnie wanted to start a television. Now, we're not not a website and they said, but we want to know how much it's gonna cost. So I did some due diligence for them as my first task. And I said, KYW's it's good cost about fifty million a year. And it's going to take you seen CNN took ten years to turn it around can take you at least five years. So you need a word chest of a quarter of a billion dollars to start a cable channel. And that's roughly I think what Paul Allen spent the late Paul Allen, who has a tip of the hat and passed away this week when he when he, you know, put tech TV out there. He lost hundreds of millions of dollars because it, you know, it hadn't turned yet, which is why the internet is so amazing. Yes, I don't have to pay anybody. We have. The irony is more people can watch this show than ever could watch tech TV show by a factor of one hundred. Literally have to pay anybody anything. I shouldn't pay pay cash flush. We have distribution costs, but we don't have to. I don't have to pay your by the way. This is where net neutrality does impact us. I don't have to pay internet service provider for access to you there. Since many internet service providers are former cable companies like Comcast, AT, and t. and rising. They're kind of used to the model of us come in with bags cash, they they wish we would right, or is it wouldn't want. I wouldn't want a bag of cash. What a tangled web we weave anyway. Do you think this is Google? It really feels like a schoolboy thing like, well, if you're gonna make me do that. I'm going to charge you. Or is this legitimately, well, they need to recoup their expensive, developing Android. Well, I mean, let's put it this way. We know that what is the eighty? Ninety percent of their revenue comes from ads if they don't have their search engine in their browser in their place to our on particular phones, they can't make money from ads. So I think it's legitimate to license. I don't have a, I don't have a problem with it. I'm more concerned from a consumer standpoint and not cost if I'm a consumer in the EU and I want a phone. And let's say I get the non Google version of it, but then later I want to add the play store can do that. Can I pay Google? Can I what? Or am I just stuck. I, I suspect on stuck. The Chatham has told me that this in psychology is called reactivates. An unpleasant motivational arousal to offers persons rules or regulations that threaten or eliminate specific behavioral freedoms react and secures a person feels that someone is taking away their choices or limiting the range of alternatives. And and and. That's how reverse psychology works because if you want somebody to do something, you tell them, don't do that and then reacted kicks. It. Who knew Google was acting like a ten year old. Oh heart. They twenty. Stop the adolescence. I mean, Google Paul Theroux pointed this one is weekly earlier. They already got what they wanted with Android, which is complete dominance and they killed any other third party operating system. It's or Android. And that's that. So this is, I mean, I will say, this is what the regulators did ask for. And now if you're like, oh, I don't wanna pay Google this, then maybe you build your own stuff that competes with Google. I dunno, I is this ideal in a lot of the in the new era of internet kind of hegemony. A lot of the thinking about competition law is actually gonna cause maybe some pain for consumers in terms of higher prices. So that's another like in Europe, which has a very different kind of monopolistic viewpoint than in the US. That's that's actually what thereafter. So I, I don't know, and you know the Europeans may be okay with it. Will they should. They should be happy because today, if you go by, say a Samsung phone, not picking on Samsung diseasing them as any sample you get the Google stuff, you get your Jim ill account, an app brother because you have to, but you also have Samsung's Email. You have the Google calendar. You also have Samsung Callard. There's a lot of duplication and that's not good for consumers. But again. Will they have. For consumers. It's good to have you. That's. Oh, not loaded on your phone necessarily? Not like blue aware, but the option of having voice yet and I'm all for sure. Absolutely. I don't have a problem with my point is my point is Samsung felt Samson wants to develop its own apps, but it's also a required to put Google's apps on its. That's whether it's duplication. It's a bad consumer experience as my point. So that's a good thing to get rid of that, you know, just have one or the other choice, but in a sense, if you buy Samsung phone, that's not Google licensed, do not going to have that choice. I mean, not the choice of g meal. Anyway, you'll have your choice of any other demand lap including Simpson's, and that's an issue because really what other good app stores are there? Samsung has an app store. Yes. Amazon has an app store, but. There's a lot of moving parts here that I just don't know. You know, everybody says, side load, Google lists, and yes, I can do that in public people watch the show can do that. That's not a mainstream consumer answer though. No, it's also nice legal. Is that I, I will, you know, you see that all the time when you put a new rom on there or whatever. The roms don't come with Google apps because you have a side load of g apps and you install it, is that legal does would how does Google feel about that? I've always wondered. They probably don't care Leo because they're getting what they want. Anyway, they're getting more users and data so they don't care. Maybe they will care now that this goes, I don't care if a, if if Samsung now says, well, we're not, you know, the Samsung is not gonna come with Google apps, but here's where she'd get them, wink, wink nudge, right. That is not. That is not going to be how that plays out. And also, again, a lot of moving parts are Google play services as a big piece of all these absence services and right Google's not giving that away for free again that either. Right. Used to be able to. And if you get away from the actual Google play store, I'm not saying that's the best place in the world because it's not. But if you get away from it, you start losing the security offers through Google play, protect where they do the machine learning scanning and on device scanning. So are you opening yourself up to more Malvern, whatnot? I don't know. There's a lot of moving parts here. I certainly don't recommend. I mean, honestly, I just tell people get, I guess, the Samsung phones. All right. I like some of the sampling song phones, but when people when when people I care about asked me what Android phone to get, I always say, just get a pixel period. No second choice because you know, you're going to get all the Google updates. It's going to be clean. It's not going to have. I mean, I like the Samsung hardware. If Samsung we've said this before Samsung did their Google experience phones again where they just laying Android on there and by that in a heartbeat, but they don't. And they won't. Cy Cy this, you know what this is pretty now. They're using Samsung panels. This is pretty close. This patient is pretty, this is pretty close. It's almost a Samsung that that's what Google should sell it as practically Samsung with that all the junk. Let's take a break. Oh, no. Oh, we'll take a break in a second, but I and I think CARA Swisher for pointing this to me, pointing me to this and all of us to this on Twitter. A very long thread by Morgan Knutson. Did you read this? I did twice, so I don't know if I read all of it because I think he kept adding on. Yeah, I waited till something tweet like, oh, this is the argument for please people stop with a tweet storms. Just put it on medium. Would you plays so pain? This Rowley it? No, we need something like that. So let's just describe this. Knutson is no longer. Google hasn't been for a long time affect. He's had some successful startups. He's he's well past the Google days, but he started the tweet storm with now. The Google plus has been shuttered. Well, not shuttered yet, but. In the process, I should air my dirty laundry. Oh, that's a good start on how awful the project and exotic team was. I'm still pissed about the bayton switch. They pulled me by telling me I'd be working on chrome than putting me on this godforsaken piece of poop on day one. It gets worse from there. It's very detailed. It's it. Actually, it's done only so very detailed, but it's so credible. That's kind of what I want to ask you guys. It feels to me. So credible is really changed my opinion about how well Google's organized. And he does say there's some really great teams he mentions he worked with Andy Hertzfeld and you know it was just amazing because remember Andy worked on Google plus, and but in general it's slams Vick condole tra- saying, you know, he was just, you know. Let's see here. If I can find it. Yeah, there's like a is it one hundred? Eight days it goes on and on and on. He's talking first about Larry page. Google plus was situated member. This was when Google was all in on social, Google plus was situated in the main building. One thousand nine hundred floor away from Larry's office. Larry page CEO. If you were one of the twelve thousand people at Google in Mountain View who didn't work on, plus you didn't have access to those floors, the CEO Larry page didn't just have an office. The entire floor was his. We all had access to it and we're encouraged to use it sparingly a war room here. And there we had access to Larry's cafe to super fancy vegan cafe called cloud that wouldn't be sustainable in the real world. Why? This exclusively? What may Google plus special? Why was it held so closely to Google's chest? I'd find out later that the senior vice president of plus uses cloud to swing all of this. His name was Vic Gunda tra-. Now, Vic has since left, and that's. Really, you know, the timing of Vicks departures really kind of coincident with the with the, you know, the decline and fall of Google plus control. Tra was relatively charismatic. I remember him frequently flirting with the women on the team, gave me a compound in horrible impression of him. My desk was directly next to Vic's glass walled off as he'd walked by my desk. Dozens of times during the day, he'd see my screen from his desk during the eight months. I was there culminating in me leading the redesign of his product victims, say a word to me. No. Hello, goodbye. No, thanks for staying late. No handshake. No eye contact Vicks product vision was fear based. Google built the knowledge base knowledge graph, Facebook swooped in and built the social graph. If we don't own the social graphic, can't claim to have indexed all the world's data, which you know that didn't make sense of the time. Vick was powerful at Google. He had buy in from the top and he wielded that stick aggressively. He made plus pervasive as he could each product org that's every product through Google had a mandate to integrate Google PLUS's social features. If your team say on g mail or Android had to integrate Google's plus features than your team would be awarded a one and a half to three times multiplier on top of your yearly bonus making it almost half of your entire salary. Oh, it goes on and on and on. It's kinda hard to follow because after you get to the end of one threat, you have to click on it and go go onto the. You read that correctly, a ton of money to ruin the product. You were building with bloated garbage. No one wanted. No one really liked this, but people drank the koolade mostly because it was green and made a paper. This made plus the center of the Google universe made Vic, feel invincible. I presume once I had to hold back laughter after he announced his brilliant idea to redesign the product from the ground up every six months. It goes on. I, I recommend reading it Morgan Kanoute's in 'em ORG n k and UT SO n you're my takeaway was how disorganized Google was how petty politics at influenced it to the point where people weren't doing their best work. They were often assigned projects. They didn't have the capability of handling it it. It's not a pleasant picture at all. What do you guys think? What do you think Stacy? I think. It shows the Kubo is like every other crappy big company out there in like they used to have. They used to have a lock on this idea that they were this idealistic group. And I think some of that halo effect still lives. But I mean, we know that Google's not trying not to be evil. We know that there's a good Jillian people there. And you know, I think if anything, this shows how a halo effect from your early culture can really help you. The flip side of that look at companies like Uber now and how they behave. And how long is that affect even if they're not crazy jerks in the world. How long is that gonna stick with them? So I would kid I tie to this the story from the New Yorker by the way because I don't know if you saw that. So this was in the New Yorker. It's about Waymo in. I think it was yesterday or maybe the day before that we pulled this or someone pulled this up, but it's talking about an argument between Levin sqi and his his colleague at Google where it describes. Lindau ski pulling the software in the lowering it self, driving car software, allowing it to take forbidden routes and then basically driving a Camry off the road. So it's a fine for the Camry, and then they didn't report this. It doesn't look like the reported it and it the hit screwed up his colleagues back so badly, this particular accident that he had to get like surgery. Google executive named Isaac Taylor learned that while he was on paternity, leave Levin, douse key had modified the cameras software so that he could take them actually all the car suffered so that he could take them on otherwise forbidden roots. A Google executive recalls witnessing Taylor and Levin desk shouting at each other Levitsky toll Taylor. The only way to show him why is approach is necessary was to take a ride together. Both both men still furious jumped into a self driving Prius, and headed off the car went onto a freeway would really, we're traveled passed an on ramp according to people with knowledge of events that day the pre is excellent boxed in another vehicle, Camry a human driver could easily handled the situation by slowing down and letting the Camry merge into traffic, but Google software wasn't prepared for this scenario. The cars continued speeding down the freeway side by side. The cameras driver jerked his car into the right shoulder that apparently trying to avoid a guardrail veer to the left, the Camry pin wheeled across the freeway and into the medium Levin. Ascii was acting as the safety drivers swerved hard to avoid colliding with the Camry and cost tailored injuries spine. So severely eventually required multiple surgeries. They didn't go back to check on the other driver to see if anyone had been hurt neither they nor other Google executives made enquiries with the authorities. The police were not informed as self-driving algorithm and contributed to the accident. Basically, it was a hit and run and they'd he's like, oh, it's dead of being upset about this happening, which I think would be horrifying. It's like, yeah, that's a valuable data that we now have he sent out an Email with video of the collision subject line pre- is versus Camry? Yes. This is not a culture that we want doing really anything and this is, I mean, yes. So it ties into nothing that this thread had in it surprises me, it's it's basically like a bunch of frat Bros. lake. Have the engineering capabilities to be oblivious to the rest of the. I don't even know. It fits all the terrible stereotypes that you have response to questions about. These incidents from the New Yorker, Google self driving unit disputed that it's cars are unsafe. Safety is our highest priority spokesperson wrote to the author. The company said, in the case of this collision report was submitted to the authorities, and even though multiple participants later sought, medical care quote, every person involved left is seen on their own accord or Camry as for the camera incident. The person described it as, oh, this is a different incident. I'm sorry, the kit collision in the camera case the spokesperson said, well, it was quote an unfortunate single car accident in which in other car failed to yield to traffic and because Google self driving car didn't hit the Camry. Google did not cause the incident. That's like insurance speak, but the police totally would actually. Maybe they wouldn't cite you for? No, they would still site you. They'd cite you for reckless driving or does raise the question which the New Yorker also raises that if Google not reporting that because the the self driving car didn't hit anything. Then there may be many other accidents. We don't know about that are not reported as accidents, but may have been caused by behavior by the self, driving car spokesperson for Google declined to discuss the company's reporting policies. Yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't want to discuss that either. Charles duhig writing in the New Yorker. New Yorker has been doing such great investigative reporting lately. They've really done a great job. As. As bad as both of those stories are I. Stacey, I think you hit the nail on the head in in the beginning about. The engineering and ability to do things that other companies and people aren't doing. But I, I can stay with certainty from experience, not everybody's like that at Google hate to see them all lumped in as frat boy. Yeah. And even in this, even in this tweet storm, he's very clear about that. Yes, yes. Who's in charge in not just a bad Google, but there's a there is a culture in Silicon Valley that we all recognize. I feel most of us recognize it's it's kind of the move fast and break things taken to maybe the unim- Fetig extreme if if we want to call it in. So that's that's kind of what I'm talking about. And sure, sure, Morgan, this is something that bedeviled Microsoft for years. The fi product fiefdoms and exerting their power. He is an example in this tweet storm. He says he had was working with a web RTC. We figure out a way to integrate Google's criticized bar that integrated with other apps into the sidebar. So you could have your g mail your calendar, your plus all in one place in a sidebar on Google. Plus, for instance, he says, it's January two thousand twelve. I'm back in the. Office because he sh- he worked on during Christmas, I showed around people seem to like it, even Greg, his bureaucratic direct report. Reluctantly liked it. Somebody maybe him told me I needed to talk to another guy to get by on my chat plans. He was the exact that was responsible for it. I found him and he was able to give them a quick elevator pitch and what I was going for with RTC the executive said, there's no way we're doing that. I always coming up. We've just spent the last four months building a chrome extension that does something similar. If plus has this, we're going to get laughed off the stage. I was like, but shouldn't all these work together in a in a sort of your conversations or available wherever you are kind of way? Nope. We're not doing that. And this explains why we have you know hangouts and do yes. All this from from the outside people looking in now kind of say, oh, I get it. That's what killed terrible at Microsoft is a real problem at Microsoft. I do think that when you were a company with in Google has almost ninety thousand employees. Now I think this is there's going to be fiefdoms. There's got to be ticks. You're gonna have you're going to have politics, but it is also very difficult given how many people in different product teams and all the types of products that you're pulling in together. It Google. It's hard to build that in week that work such came in. And I think he kind of solved at Microsoft by making putting response changing the reporting structure and changing the executive to make more horizontal and vertical. There's ways to you if you know it's a problem, you can address it. Maybe Sundar try, maybe? Yeah. Yeah, it is. It's always a problem with a giant corporation. You've got all sorts of. You've got the innovators dilemma. You've got organizational issues. It's a hard thing to it's unclear what their core product is. This is this is across all tech companies, right? You're starting to see like it is hard to say, I guess all what, what EROs you put your would behind, right? If you're making a widget or several widgets, it's very easy. But like if you're on the I team, are you really optimizing for AI? Are you optimizing your AI? I five different Google products, and that's that's very different. It's hard. It's I absolutely agree. And the only reason this is of interest is because. For me. Anyway. Google has a very shiny reputation as as being smarter than everybody else and being above these problems which other corporations have fright. That's the halo that I think they probably no longer deserve. No, they never. They probably member did right. I don't. I mean, I don't know in there is there is still it. You still see it in some of the things Google puts out in the world. You're like, Cuco. That is brilliant. But you are explaining this horribly and. Come on man. I also I also think that it explained it's helpful because it helps me understand exactly as you said, why the messages mess is going on. Why was stuff? Doesn't work better together. You know when Jeff says, why can't my g. suite log in work with these things as well as my consumer log in. It's not necessarily that's such a hard problem. It's just that those are different fiefdoms and you can't get them to work together and things like that. It's definitely not always technical problem in Google's good at solving technical problems, but when it's something outside of that, it gets challenging, not alone here by the way, Apple's lawsuit its luster as well. It's hard to be what we think these companies are. Maybe we put them on a pedestal, and we shouldn't. Almost certainly we shouldn't. Well, we're reading anyway. It's, you know, whether believe it or not, you know whatever your take is on. And it's it's a very interesting tweet storm. And I guess I just wish people would stop putting that stuff on Twitter and put it in one place where you can read it and comment on it. Right. And you know the comments on this, but they're, but they're, but they're all over the place all over the place there in each different tweet. It's it's not practical. I'll never understand why people do that. What in fact explain it to me. Why do that Morgan? Why? Probably probably it starts out as a stream of consciousness thing starts as one or two tweets, and it gets you just get in and then you're there. So why would you change it? He did it over a couple of days to. I mean, he booked away and came back, you know? Yeah. Somebody has put it in thread reader and thank you to PS chops in our chat room. So I, I guess, thread reader is a site that will we'll do this put all these threads together. However, if I were to read you the link. You would probably not find it any easier to find. It's a thread reader app dot com. Slash thread slash one zero four nine five two three zero six seven five six nine six six five two nine dot HTML. Thank me later. Look, how long it is this. Novella isn't novella. I spent that much time reading it. Are you glad you're not? Oh, yeah, no, I definitely. I mean, I always like inside of any company because I am. It's yes. It's also kind of therapeutic. You're like, oh, my crappy work experience was no different than this other crappy work experience. I don't. You know, it's nice. We should just mentioned. Morgan, went onto. He left Google to go to dropbox where he said it was a pleasant experience. These people weren't mired and Bs and politics. They were at the top of their games. I was so stoked to interview. That happens it. I mean, companies, you can usually see that right away. As we went to dropbox, he later started a shift of apt to buy or sell a used car, which raised one hundred forty million dollars in a series d. is currently working on another startup. And so in the ends. He said, I sent her resignation Email. The Greg forwarded to HR within seconds, a sent an Email to the company, saying goodbye. Standard practice. I got hundreds of heartfelt replies from Google employees felt great and terrible the same time on my way out, Greg tried to Chit chat and shake my hand. I took everything. It took everything in me, not to tell them to go himself. I walked past his extended hand, said nam, and he said, really turned around and looked him in the eye as I backed out of the door. You really the end. It was very well. I'm telling you, I read it. This is a stream play. It was very well written. I show today brought to you by express VP and with all the recent nude news about security breaches online, it's hard not to worry what's happening your data as it floats over the WI fi, local coffee shop or hotel, or even through your internet service providers. 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I think I like switch to device or something that I had it as a default, and then I had to switch your loaded something on that turned the default off basically, then I didn't put it back in sometime every now. And then I would check to see if like Google was better in. Sometimes it was a journalist, I really do need. That's the problem. You know, you can. You can believe in privacy. You could satellite like Google and all that. But ultimately a good search engines worth. It's weight and gold. Here's the traffic though. On duck duck duck go over. This is from January twenty seven to January twenty nineteen and can see it's a steep increase. Wait twenty eighteen twenty nineteen. January twenty and nineteen because we haven't gotten there yet, but that's the blanket part of the end of the. I was like, there's a little blank part at the end of the graph. See it says twenty. I, you know why? I don't know. You know, just because for completeness almost there, we're almost they're God. That's amazing. Isn't it? I'm seeing them show up a lot more in my own sites, stats for referral slightly. Oh, interesting. Yeah. It's a highly technically literate audience is going to be the driver. I remember when I started pitching Google to my friends way back. I had a friend that's wrong without vista Stacey. Yes. She was like, I don't know if you remember this, but you turned me onto Google way back and I was like, holy cow I mart using. Yeah, so she was like, I always thought you are awesome after that. It was like, yeah, yeah, I am. You're right, super. Awesome. Do you have a Google home hub yet? Kevin? I do not. I don't know that anybody does. Okay. Yeah, I ordered one, but I it hasn't come yet. People ordered it. I don't know if we're gonna order it. I don't want you don't want one. Why not? Because it's too small for my us. I mean, I'm not saying it's a bad. It's tiny, isn't it? It's not. It's deceptive. You think it's bigger than a than a smartphone to. I mean, it's seven inch diagonal it. You can hold it in your hand like you could a the base of like a Amazon echo or dot really, here's Ron Manteo covering the entire screen with it. Looks like his note nine, right? That's how big it is. It's very small and a lot of the features that are on it are coming to the Lenovo smartest player that I already have, which is a ten inch display. I prefer that because I like watching content on it. So why do I want that from Google? I just don't. You know, it's not the same technology. Apparently Google created something called Android things you guys are aware of that, I'm sure, and that's what the Lenovo runs on the JBL the LG, but Google for some reason when they decided to do their own, decided not to use the Android things. But instead of us, something Ron says. A lot closer to chrome cast. And he do. He does give a really good explanation for this which is cutting costs. Cheap is cheap. One hundred fifty bucks. It's by far you know the cheapest thing out there. So he explains that the chipset that they used is not. It's not compatible with Android things because it doesn't have enough memory in it's true, Android things is freaking huge for an IOT device and Kevin, and I have talked about that for years, so it makes sense. But it is a little weird and it it kinda shows how stupid or bifurcated or weird that Google's IOT strategy is understand this better. Can we. We're like, oh, to that Google, what the rate or left or any hands or. It doesn't have a camera, which I thought was really interesting after the Facebook portal announcement. Facebook at the time they announced this portal said, oh, don't worry. We're not gonna spying you. We're not gonna use anything. We gather from it for advertising now. They said, oh, no, actually we are just getting. At least they did it before you actually could get a device? Yeah, although I ordered it, I don't know what I'm gonna do with it. Oh, no sent don't don't even accept the liberal. No, can I have to? I don't play. It's not in order for me for you. I order it so we can review. We don't want it. No, I I don't want to either. I don't know what I'm gonna do with it afterwards. Put it in a nuclear waste dump. I don't know. I was gonna say, don't burn it, but you could recycling how is it built for recycling? I wonder. Well, it's actually a question that I started right. That's right because I think everything's so throwing now that's kind of a non sequitur but throwing it out Scott. It's absolutely effect. That's why I always check with. I fix it and they, they will talk about that all the time. They they're really big on notion of recyclability and they'll rate this stuff in most of the stuff is not said the say, that's it's terrible. Yeah. So let me let me ask this then Kevin because you have the la-. No, yes. Is it? Is it using? It's going to be better or more functional home hub kisla knows getting up. Sorry, go ahead. Stacey, you can answer it. Sorry. No, go ahead. I o two. Lenovo is going to get all the functionality of the home hub, right? All of it too, because it was my sense that initially we, we reviewed the Lenovo. It lacked a lot of features that just Google assistant has right. No. Like what? No, but you couldn't do what could we do? I forgot we couldn't play back stuff that couldn't play net flicks. On a normal Google assistant either. Yeah. Google home. Yeah. But since there's only there's only one family of displays right. I don't know. I got the, you know, I'll have to go back and look at our review. I didn't review it. I think Jason or Meghan did, but I got the feeling that it wasn't as complete as product from Google would be. Well, I think the home hub is less. Okay. I'm letting Kevin answer because you go Kevin. Well, I have. Okay. Okay. Yeah. In fact, I bought hers and had it shipped to her. Aw. Page one hundred fifty dollars off a Costco. She got a deal because they're so cute. We shop together. Yeah. But the smart display it's supposed to get the poll down gesture that brings the the home hub information center where you see all of your devices and so on. So that's not unique to the Google home hub. It's coming to the other devices. They said it's a chrome cast receiver. Both of the Mars I can pipe anything I wanted. I can chrome cast to it or to the Google home up, but I wouldn't do that on the seven inch and I can do it on a ten inch, ten eighty p display. I don't. I don't really see the benefit of having other than other than a little cost say, oh, no, I was gonna say, don't they have a brightness sensor that's different for this one. That was the. That's worth it. And the and the wait a minute, but also the photo slide show. Can you do that Google photos slide show on on ovo. Oh yeah, I do it all the time all day long. My mind shows his really, that's a half of what this is is digital pixel for a picture frame. Right? Can't because it's always. 'cause I where where's where's Google pulling that information from? And this is actually useful for anybody because by everything don't they. My Google home. It only pulls from two options for my slide shows in their crappy options. It doesn't pull from all of my Google photos. So right off the bat, the live photos that they touted with this new Google home hub were automatically adds pictures of a person or pet. That's not even available yet. So we don't have that on the Lenovo. Google hub doesn't have either, but you should be able to do it in your Google home app because that's right. Did it because I just have an album of norm just going all day long when I want. And then I switched to pictures of earth. You know what not. So. It's it should be in the home upsize. So I have it in the home app and it says, hey, will pull it from Google photos on the Google account that I used for most of my personal photos, but it only shows me two options like to sledge or to album options. So you're have on Google photos like I'm going. Maybe there's something for I've it or something, I don't know. Yeah. Oh, maybe. Okay. Anyway, this is this is what I was doing yesterday. I mean, I have other options, so I, I'm, I'm guessing maybe they're set to private or something to recommend that people spend fifty bucks more for the Lenovo eight inch or one hundred bucks more for the ten inch. It depends on the use case. If you just want a smart hub control where everything is aggregated, all your devices and you get the Google assistant and occasionally might watch some video or something. No get spent a hundred fifty bucks and get the Google home up. It's cheap. But if you want to maybe do do, oh calls and not saying people do. But if you do Facebook portal for that could luck, don't call me on that. You know, if you wanna watch, you know YouTube TV or YouTube videos or whatever it is that you wanna chrome cast to it. I enjoy the experience better on a larger display. So for me, it was worth at Costco, the extra fifty dollars eight of the ten inch when ovo, smart display 'cause they were selling it for one ninety. Nine. I can't figure out how to unworthy Facebook portal. That's my if I could, I would. Once you're in your, you're in, it's really sad ahead to reactivate my Facebook account, just order it. You, you know, you know that. That was I, I hate that anyway. I blew it. I really blew leeann. Well, somebody in the Charon pointed out, you don't have to review this. No one else is going to buy it. Only the media people are going to buy and not only that I bought the three hundred fifty dollars ten inch fifteen inch one. That's really silly. I mean, honestly, even if it was the most amazing. Camera interface, most seamless. I would still be pissed at anyone who recommended it to people because you can't you. We can no longer evaluate devices without understanding the privacy. We're not just reviewing the hardware here. Yeah, and I think we need to in the media get on that train in, stay on it. So that's Michael nurture, says, review it, autograph it, sell it on EBay for charity, but nobody will buy it. I think what I'm gonna use it. I'm gonna put it in the front door. It'll scare people away. Bad guys go? No, he's got the Facebook portal. Get out of here. Oh my God. Linke me right down to my account. Oh, no. But the. Around the house. Scare the kids at Halloween. That's a good idea. I could do that. Facebook, of course says, hey, good news. We mentioned maybe as many as ninety million people were hacked. We've done an investigation. It's only thirty million people. Good news, twenty nine million, something like that. Good news. It's amazing that something could be. Some companies could be so big that the thirty, this means thirty million Facebook users had their account hijacked with this flaw without their knowledge, and that they could say, hey, it's it's less than we thought it's not so bad thirty million. They did think wasn't than they originally think it was fifty million ninety they well. There's fifty. And then there was another forty. They thought maybe it could be as many as ninety. It's only thirty good news. Yeah, I really, you know what? I, if this thing comes up just slapping a return label on it and send it back. I'm sorry, I'm not going to review it. I, you're right. I was nuts to even think it was a moment of weakness. Wait, I can make you stop delivery on a Facebook Porto, but I can't make you order a Rhody Matic. I just don't understand you. I, you know if well now. Oh, that's an interesting point because I bought two of these. For almost seven hundred dollars. I mean you do get one hundred dollars off when you buy two, so that what how much is it ready? Matic I almost that's thousand. Yeah, that's. Allston percent unit. I could send it to. You don't do review units because what if I get hooked on the Rhody Matic then I have to sit back. It's no, actually, that's a good point. That's what you do. I bought the Heston q. bluetooth enabled burner and pots that you recommended? I did not recommend those. In fact, I told you you shouldn't have bought what? Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah, I just thought that was kind of silly. It was Alex Lindsay. You said I should buy them. Okay. Yeah, I was like, it wasn't me Leo. I'm so I'm so ambivalent about it. They've been sitting in the back of my car. I've been driving around with them for a week on opening you do once you've bought it, you should probably at least try it. Maybe baby will think differently. At least his doesn't spy on my eating habits or does it. It counts how many wrote I? It doesn't spy yours, personally. Oh, wait. I heard the Heston cute. Well, what does the road as we know the Rhody Matic spies because it says how many roads have been made? Well, yeah, it it does. No, but it doesn't individually. It says on its very front page of its website, how many roads have been made by Rhody Matic. Well, it's like last week it's going up. Carotti it was twenty twenty nine million in something last week. Every second and other Roti is made by the Rhody Matic their thirty million two hundred forty four thousand one hundred ninety nine roadies. Indicated by the world's most popular food robot. Yeah. Category. We're number one. I don't believe the Heston. So it's tracking metrics from the pan for both diagnostic and that sort of thing. I don't know if it's individually capturing in keeping what you cook. It may grab that in anonymous it, but it may not like the June gives you the option of doing some say Lisa's already frustrated with June, and she says, we're swapping it. We're going to bring it to work and swap back in our old wine. You'll toaster oven because it's too hard. It's all she wants to do is make toast and it takes three button presses, oh yeah, they did. So they they do add the, they say, hey, is it toast? You're like, yes. And then it's like, and then every single time it says, put your in the middle. It's in the middle. Evan moved since I made toast yesterday. And every single time. And then after it's done and plays a little tune, it says. Do you wanna toe some more or do you want to stop now? Yeah, but you don't have to. It'll stop automatically after time when you pull your toast out and let it shut, it'll leave that up there. And then eventually it's like, oh, I know, but it feels neglected. If just sitting there, it's like asking societies, some more Altos, some more you want me to anybody. Anybody. So just got toasted. I know I know Kevin Kevin on the on the board. He's running the board. He's Mr. toaster. He's good. No, he's good. Hackers stole millions of Facebook users, highly sensitive data. We mentioned that and the FBI has asked not to say who might behind behind it. I don't. This is rob price writing for business insider. Facebook says the FBI has said, please don't say, who is behind this hack, what the hell? What does that mean? The government told me not to tell you. That's awesome. We're, we're cooperating with the FBI says Facebook, Facebook executive guy wrote is the government which is actively investigating is asked us not to discuss who may be behind this attack. Well, that really raises a question. No question raises for me what is with the FBI tells people not to talk about stuff and you can say that what the heck is happening without Bloomberg story, man. I still I, I'm with Bloomberg. I'm with birdie. Okay. We had Mark million in from Bloomberg BusinessWeek on Sunday on Twitter, and I gave him the fifth. He knows Jordan Richardson. He knows Jordan. He worked across the desk from says, very good security reporter. He says he knows all the technical details, but this was a general audience article, so it's not Laden with technical details, but you could ask him, he would tell you. He says these, this was they were working on this since the Obama administration has been a two year process heavily vetted by management by their by their editor in chief. They really worked on it. And I think you know, he says it's absolutely credible, and I think we're gonna see more evidence that it's credible. I just there's no way somebody like Bloomberg BusinessWeek puts this on their cover of a magazine unless they're one hundred percent, certain Jordan Robertson I should say. And Michael Riley. The authors of this? No, I still, I think it's completely credible. And again, as we said last week, the the issue isn't for from our point of view. Well, who did what win? But that this cabins all the time. We know it happens. We do it, they do it. It happens in the supply chain and happens during, you know, shipping. And it's very hard to fix because we don't. We don't wanna make stuff in the United States anymore. Okay. Where are we? Amazon unveils. This is a little. We're gonna throw you a little IOT bone here. Ooh. Amazon unveils, three new API's that send camera data. Fr from smart cameras and doorbells to echo devices makes it easier for Amazon developers to tap into connected security cameras and doorbells. It's the doorbell advent source API the motion sensor API and the Alexa RTC session controller, and it doesn't have to be an echo. Ma'am. Is on it hardware, third party smart home apps now this is, yeah. We have been waiting for this for while like even ring after they were bought by Amazon. Worst still waiting juice, so well, we just for rings or will it be for everything and if it's an API could use it. Now, the question is who's going to actually build for it. So the biggest like August actually built something custom. That's a little bit different to put their stuff in. Amazon says both ringing August support, doorbell events, source in motion sensor. So August which is not an Amazon device does are low has supported. I've been able to look at my Arlos on my Arlo cameras by net gear on my echo for a while. So they're either using it or they're going to port to using this. So what does this mean for end users? Give me an a use case if someone wants to. If a company wants to implement this, you'll be able to see your camera feeds on your echo show or your echo spot or. Or is there another device with a cameo with a screed? No. So I. Echo enabled TV's now, right? Yeah. So I, I don't know if it I assume it would work on the fire. We have, you know, this one hundred inch high sense TV is echo enabled. I would love it. If it would just display is my front door, whose at my side, you know, that would be awesome. The downside is if you choose not to use it, like nest nest does not make any of their camera API's available to third parties. Your knock at your nest gear won't work. So your dropbox and stuff won't show up there. The other thing is there's a lot of latency, so it's not great for doorbells or security cameras votes. You see the picture they've already left. Yeah, it it's taken about five seconds. Yeah, we're miss. Yeah, we're are miss. It's a long time when you're like, oh, the door villages string. So does this enable two way communication as well? I think it should. I, you know, my my stuff had to wake communication on it. So I'm guessing like I could. I could shout through my camera with two way audio on it. Through that echo, I believe. It'd be best, you'll be able to even if you can't see who's at the door, you could speak to your echo in say, who's there? I'll be right there not. So you still have to establish the connection, and that's what takes time. Yeah. Although, although, although Leo. You have a nest. Hello doorbell? Leo I have a ring. Doorbell rings the sponsor. Sorry. Thank you for playing. Nest that works with the Google home hub, right? It does, but it gets better. It also works with this on the pixel stand. And what's the latency on that? Do you have you noticed? I tested it because I have an Invidia TV. NVIDIA shield TV buffs up to your wasn't Android TI's do I and I have my doorbell pop up on there and takes about five seconds just like we were saying the other products it was about. We tested it yesterday morning at five thirty in the morning because my wife who's going to walk the dog. She hit the doorbell, and it showed up here in about one second on my phone, but it has to be in the stand. So I have a shield, but I don't have the doorbell, but I do have some nest cameras around the house. Can we'll those you can see those. The outdoor nest cameras actually was really handy when that woman drove over our mailbox while we were on our last vacation. We. We are in Japan and I'm looking at what happened on FOX because we have one of those real root things and it was. And so I scanned back through the video and I could see this woman and it turned out to be the newspaper delivery lady is driving her car. She's folding newspapers, and there's watching her car just kind of your off the road, slaughter our mailbox, veer back. That's one of the one of the things people don't think about what these cameras. I mean, it's great to see who's coming to the door everything, but there's lots of I look at. Yeah, like six months ago, we we, we poker car on the street here. We're in a townhouse community. My wife went out to the car at six AM and their pieces all over big dent in her car. When I what happened. So I went back to the nest that's facing front and sure enough the night before people from across the street hit it. I had all the footage. They claimed not to have hit it, and I'm like, there you are pulling out of your driveway hitting my car. So their insurance company pay for everything including our deductible because I had the video in this case. I, I was perturbed until I looked at my ring doorbell and I have the video of her immediately after coming knocking on our door coming back three hours later, knocking on a door coming back, three hours after that, she felt terrible and a an I called her. She left a message like thirty minute message, which I didn't hear because I was in Japan, but when I got it, I called her back and said, don't worry about it. Thank you for being so honest, it's fine. We, we didn't like that mailbox anyway. Very nice. Well, for crying out loud, she deliver newspapers. She probably doesn't have a lot of money to make mailboxes. Right, right. Well, that's true. I went on her. I wonder if I saved it as a clip. I wonder where that would I could show, you know, no, no, no. Don't think to her. Who needs Facebook portal for privacy. Got Leo's. Come on that you want to see the chatter going to show it, show it. All right, I won't you. I mean, that was a really bad moment in her life. It was, and I felt really good when I called her up and said, oh, that's Honey, that's fine to worry about. It's an older woman and I, you know, I said, you next time try to stay on the road. Okay. I don't want you to get hurt. I am. I appreciate both appreciate in kind of sad about it. You know, like. Yeah, it's kind of I know because now everything's on camera in in little things like, you know, it's kind of fun to like, you know, see like the kids getting their Halloween candy on your camera, but it's also like kids can't go ring people's doorbells runaway anymore. I guess that's not great. But like remember when you toilet paper people's houses. No, no, Don Don dash or whatever they call it. Here's you could see this. You can't identify her. Here's the mailbox over here on the right. Okay. And let me let me speed it up a little bit. Here's here, comes her car. See there it is. She's driving, she's driving. She's delivering the newspapers. Now she's folding the newspapers. It's actually kind of kind of fun to have this. It's not so good that I posted it on Reddit or anything, but watch. There's a mailbox. Oh, crap. Okay. Anyway, it's not that it's not as exciting as I remember it. It's really exciting. When you know you're like. Yeah, yeah. No, it was puzzling. Like why mailbox lying on the ground. I, it's funny because I never had cameras and ever wanted cameras. In fact, I was always of the opinion that that kind of paranoia and lack of trust leads to people doing bad things to you. Like if you trust, you leave your door unlocked, everything's gonna be fine, and it's always been that way. But you know, we had to test these out and try them and stuff. So I put them around this all the difference, key cameras and stuff. It's kind of cool. I have. One of my office are fifteen year old goes around throughout the house for a while. I've had three or four in the house and unplugged them or knocks him over, put some under furniture. He doesn't want any video Novica. So I honor his. I honor that too. And I thought you were going to show the video of her knocking on your door. No, no, no identifiable. Okay. That's what I was like. I was just a car hitting my mailbox. I'm not even really just kind of site site swiping. I think we should blow some trumpets because it's time for you. Ready for this Kevin. Google change log. Chains long. Having helping parents have the tech talk with their kids. Google has decided that it's time for them to help parents teach their kids. It's part of October's national cyber security awareness and national bullying prevention month. Kevin, we're partnering with the national teat PTA and donors, choose dot org. A two initiatives to help kids be safe and positive. Online are gold is here says Google's to reach five million kids with p. internet. Awesome. It's a bilingual Kitin English and Spanish and includes a pixel book, wait a minute. How do I sign up for this to power the workshop, a presentation. Oh, I see. You give a workshop and you get the pixelbook, but then I guess you probably have to send it back presentation developed in partnership with the family online safety institute. They talk about online safety, digital citizenship. This is great tips and resources to create a positive digital experience, family guys to inspire coal earning at home. Home posters for the school to remind students to be internet. Awesome. By being kids, this is the new boy scouts. Smart alert, strong kind and brave and a school banner as a recognition for participating in be internet. Awesome. If you're interested in applying for one of the two hundred workshop grants or a kit visit the national PTA site PTA dot org. In their programs. Section later, this fall says Google. We're making content from the kit available digitally for everybody on on our be internet. Awesome with Google dot com website, it's it's it's kind of a long, your LB internet, awesome dot with Google dot com. Plainly here where. They get takeout bite out of bullying help pre internet. Awesome. This mcgruff the crime. Dog saying she later. Going behind the design, a new chrome Kesse. People have been now reviewing the chrome cast as you pointed out last week, it's only ten eighty p, but it is sixty frames a second. It's not a massive improvement. Most of the people reviewing it say, you don't need the new chrome cast. If you've got the old chrome cast. If you have a four k. you're going to get the chrome cast ultra anyway. But here's a conversation about details about the new chrome cast. You know what? Here's a typical exchange between the Google interviewer and the Google employees. So what sets chrome cast and made by Google products apart from other devices? It's the design language. This is the reason I wanted to join Google. We're making tech that's a protocol, human Centric and easily blends in with other things in your house. Everything to know about the Google assistant on our new family of hardware. This is a post on the keyword by manual Bronstein. He's vice president of product for Google assistant. It's kind of an all on one page. Listing of things you can do with assistant like screen calls, block spam, book, reservations, new excess Sary's, how to manage them worth reading. You know, not that long shorter than that tweet storm. But it'll give you some some, maybe some insight. If you've got one of these, here's something Jeff would be happy. Google plus. Jeez, sweet. It's content tagging customs streams and more engagement in metrics. I think the Google plus team is like that Japanese soldier who didn't know the war was over but was living in Okinawa for years. They're not truly showed in Google plus down. There shooting turning the consumer version off. So there is going to be a business enterprise. Yes, he's all right. Jeff has to be the one thing Jeff has that we exactly actually. So is this, did they see this as an intranet thing? We used it at Google all the time. Yeah, they use it internally. Yeah, absolutely. So so times sometimes it'd be for product information, updates, secret projects that aren't so secret anymore or or just communities. They had some great communities at goodwill, so you can have a private Google plus for your business. Yeah, we'll Google does. I don't know if we can. Well, that's the question right yet. It's probably isn't private because I think you can invite people from outside. I don't know. I don't know. Here's completely going away. So the final sentence, even though Google plus for consumers, can they spoke consumers? It's kind of the modern spelling? No, he is being ditched. It's very much alive and kicking in the enterprise. So there and you thought Google plus was dead. Google cloud slack. I don't know what it is. No one knows. And by the way, what business is going to invest any time at all in Google plus. Milling that any moment it could follow its consumer version, Dan, the dust bin of history, right? Yeah, nobody's gonna. Nobody nobody knew is going to adopt it. Yeah. Yeah, Google slack. Google cloud ads, cloud identity, cloud p insecure l. DEP. Next item. No, that's enterprise people out there. They're happy now. That's okay. Got the other button. The Google l. Depp I got for you. It's it's here. That's the Google changed long. We are going to take a little break and come back with your picks of the week this week in Google brought to you today by capterra. If you're a business and you need software, you sure do suffer businesses run on software these days. Capterra's the place to go to find business offer for you and they wanted to let you know they've got a great new big book of free software free just for you with twenty nineteen. 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Anniversary edition order. I did mealy very good, November. Fourth, that sounds about right. Something like that a couple of weeks yob. So excited. You know what I heard today for the first time, what November night on, sorry. Okay. On Sirius XM. The only reason I subscribe to Sirius XM's because they have a dedicated. Beatles gentle. And as I was coming home from class just before the show, they were doing a tour of Abbey Road studio, and they played the very first recording the Beatles ever made there, which was their audition, and it was the let it be a no, no body. My gosh, what was the first? Oh, come on. Now this is t- to get to sign them, love me. Do sorry, do that was your first hand I was actually hit right? It was. That's what got George Martin to sign them, but they played the audition tape. Is it different? Yes, yes, it's it's different. It's not tremendously different, but most of these re recordings in all aren't very different, but it was very interesting to hear the very first Abbey Road recording. Of a Beatles song. Wow. How can I did anybody cares. How can I get that? I tune into siriusxm dot com slash twit. I don't know. I, I don't have serious you. They still an inter- internet only package so you can stream it. I'm almost positive. They do. They have to. I mean, they can't just rely on satellite when the internet is kinda every twenty seven early acoustic demos. Fifty session takes and the original albums thirty tracks newly mixed by Giles Martin George Martin's son. He did the sergeant pepper remix too, right? He did. Yeah. This ad on the whole love show in that lump show so good. How many times have you seen that? A dozen? Yeah, it's every time I go. I keep trying to get Stacy to come with me. Yes, she won't go. She's too young. She doesn't remember the last time I just had other. I wanted to sleep. I'm. Other commit your beetle. Commitment is terrible. You wanted this. I am. I am not good, not good. It's such a fun show even if does, but if you like the Beatles. Yeah, seven. Listen to national, go this. Sure, sure, sure. Okay. What do you got for us? Kevin will I don't wanna do what I have for your because I didn't know is kinda like something that one of your sponsors actually, no, I don't care on an unplaced to independence as you know. Think of me is Malik is very important. I mean, I did upload that picture of the hulk behind me. We want to show that anything. I'm fine with that. I put it on the on the show notes. Okay, we'll show Kevin's picture of the hulk. This is we were playing before the show. I am really stoked by these a are things. There's Kevin. And the hulk apparently reacts to expressions. So he, he does different. All of them do, but come on, give us your pick. I know I don't want anybody ever feel like they can't pick something because it's competes with a sponsor. That's ridiculous. All right. Well, so this is actually sort of old news because it was announced in March, but it just was kind of re announced on the Google cloud blog, and this is the VPN service called outline. Yes. This was originally for journalists. Exactly, but you can certainly use it yourself. And when I found really interesting about it, you can put it on your own server. Okay. That's no big deal. But you could actually have a hosted in the cloud through a number of host provided funding our sponsor digital ocean. There he goes, he, there's always Pat. There's always a sponsor connection, but it looked to me and I haven't set it up yet, but it looked to me like you can actually have specific controls around different devices in your house. And that's important to me because if. VPN everything. Then I lose my YouTube TV my net flicks everything else. I'm wondering maybe on like a Google display. Could I not have it connected VPN those services. So I'm gonna play with that. And I just thought to mention it because it might be interesting to some of the viewers who may be. Our journalists are not journalists. Most VPN's US Open VPN, but this is Google zone, open source and in I'm my point out independently audited VPN platform. So you know what? This doesn't really compete because it's kinda roll your own rectal it. You know, if people just want to turn key VPN they're not going to go to this, but if you're interested, you know, even maybe want complete security in and run at one of the problems of the VPN is you have to trust VPN provider while you could run it yourself off your own server. Yep. Then how safe would you feel cool? Pretty safe until I put a Facebook in my house. And then you're done. First thing I'm doing is calling you tell. Don't pick it up. Don't. Leo and Facebook. It's fifteen inches this thing only way. The only way I would take a call from you is if we like played some vinyl over the internet, each other with. That I can Beatles music because everyone already knows you. You love the Beatles bootleg content. What if it, what is. Where'd that come from? Everybody has bootleg content. Why do you think I need to be bien? That's right. That's right. He's sneaking into Abbey Road late at night. What do you have for us? Stacey Achim Buffum. So I do not have anything that I've actually tried. So I'm so sorry. I've been on the road. The world is a horrible place, but I did see this and I thought it was interesting. It is. Let's see. It's called helm. It is a startup. The gives you I saw this. Yes, yeah. So it's basically a storage should I've and a pre configured Email server that you buy and you put in your home. It's unclear to me if like it's like it's a five hundred dollar device, but it looks like there might be other subscriptions related to it. Yeah. So as one hundred bucks after the first year I, I read about this on hacker news in the actually the the Hecker one of the rings really great things backer news on y combinator is that you've got smart people reading and commenting on it. So the the media reaction to. From people was. How could this possibly work? And most importantly, most internet service providers. Block outbound Email. So, and Furthermore, if you do it yourself, there's no guarantee. You won't be blocked because most IP addresses are reused. And most of them have dings, you need a clean. I p address so the the helm, one of the helm creators got on to answer those questions. So some really some really useful stuff. CEO and co, founder of helm, cross-reference IP addresses. We signed gateways against known blacklists keeps you out of the black holes. They fully support d Mark d, Kim in SPF, which is really important, Email authentication. They configure reverse DNS as well. Is this for somebody who says, you know, I don't trust provider XYZ whether it's, you know, Google or yahu or outlook to store my mail. I want to store my mail myself. They run the, they'd you your stuff. We'll get run through. Amazon's s three but it doesn't get stored on s. three. It's really interesting. Does it look into individual customers s. three rise tenses. Yeah, but still you if you're, you know, if you say, well, I don't. You know, I use fast male friends. I don't use Google for my mail as fast mail and I'm trusting fast mail. But if you don't trust anybody, you're not, you know, Amazon's gonna. Yeah, we're rapidly leaving that world where you could have your you could be totally self. So I don't think that that's the case, but if you will always wanted to run a mail server this, it'd be a lot easier. Probably mouse running post fixing all. So it's an interesting idea. Yeah, I'm glad you brought it up. Actually the helm dot com. But this is not for this is if you think outline is hard to set up. Not for the faint of heart. But you can run your own personal Email server. I mean, honestly, if you really care about this kind of stuff, you probably want to get a business, do it on your own. Yeah. Yeah. And you have to have a business class ISP because all is all commercial consumer is peace block port, twenty five. And you know, they're not going to let you do because of spammers. They're just basically not gonna let you send out an Email plus, you know you get black hold because, but this is a good way to get around all of that stuff. So that's interesting. Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned it. The helm dot com. And it's kind of cute looking box when mine having that much. I think he's looking back, you know, bucks. Expense. What easier than setting up an exchange server of tell you that right now? Yuck. Stacey always a pleasure. I gotta pick Stacey on IOT dot com. Get on over there. 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MBW 680: Talk to the Lamp

"Assigned Vermaak break weekly the day. Os Thirteen point one came out and IPAD OS is well. We'll talk about all the new features talk talk a little bit more about the new phones about the new watches. Jim Dow rumbles here from loop insight Dave Hamilton's here from Mac Observer Andy and Nakas here from his local library. It's all coming up next AMAC weekly along you love people you trust. He's tweet this is Mac break. 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The show that covers the latest news from I'm apple has been up to anything of any anything going on and all joining us to talk about an Indian NOCCO from the the Chicago Public Library No vo not even the of the the worst the public library. I don't know what library you're in. I'm supporting my local public local public library from the Carnegie The library in beautiful downtown Bangkok. I see you answer no hat today because I got a haircut and so I'm I'm not the reason why I usually wear the hat is because like I usually get this really bad puffy thing happening now up there and and for for for weeks and weeks and weeks I would try to fix it before the show about before like gang desperate describing hat and putting it on its you're famous. You're trademark is your is your big old. You know Fidora that you always wear where do you oh no I do I do. I just it's. I realized that I didn't I didn't want it to become a thing where like like I if I ever showed that I didn't want become so such an iconic thing that if ever showed up without it people would be saying hey. Why is she wearing your head yeah? I've worn out like that. I'm very very glad that I've documentary evidence by a friend of mine that even when I was like seventeen or eighteen I was wearing a hat just like that. It's just like my favorite kind of pet and so I've there was there was a there was a time like ten years ago where I realized that maybe I should take it off when I'm giving talks and stuff like that because it's not it's it's it's impolite Fedora. Is that actually Fedora. I don't know if I named it's not it's not it's not a fedora is technically like an Australian like ranchers had cowboy hat sort of thing like that but I I I love it because it's not terribly expensive. It's like waterproof. It has this wire around the brim so that you can always adjust the way you want and for someone who travels a lot I can stuff it in the overhead bin and gets crushed by bags and then like while I'm waiting like two to play just spend just a couple of minutes to sort of fussing thing with right back to where it was before. I have a box of them. It's like when whenever they stopped making these I want to have like a three year margin to find something. I like as much as this one wh Whoa I'm very pleased to see the Dour did wear his beard today yes from the low leukocyte dot com hi Jim how are Eleo. I'm great has rock and roll treating you. Rock and roll is always the best also joining us. Hey great to have the Mac Observer server here. Dave Hamilton Dave good to see you. Thanks for having me. It's good to see you too yeah. It's going to be here always a pleasure. I love it. Rene is in New New York City for a special meeting of all the more folk so he's missing out on today's show I as his lorry as his Laura Gill because she's at I'm more as well I have in my hot little hands an IPAD. It's about to be converted to IPAD. Os Today's the day apple pushed up thirteen one release for both iphone and IPAD and today's Day someone push the button now and and convert it. If you're not yet using thirteen one use it especially this year on thirteen point zero with your new iphone you use it. You Really WanNa make that upgrade. thirteen thirteen has a bunch of bugs to to the extent that if you had not upgraded it on the day of I would have recommended that you wait a few days because they did push it up the originally was scheduled for was it a month or even later than that and then we suddenly found out that it was going to be here like just after the weekend by the way just after the weekend was when your iphone was supposed to arrive Indian Ikea no just before the weekend uh-huh yeah you shouldn't mess with ups. That's my new now. Let's let the ups they're still they're still lovely people. It's it's the Fedex people but so I got my review hardware five nine actually apple was nice. They gave me an patriots and red sox colors which was a nice nice thing but so I I just have some advice on the under the guise of me blowing off some steam here so so I my radio spot was that like a twelve fifteen or something in the afternoon which is great okay well all ten by ten thirty. That's going to be cut really really close and so apple pay extra to have it delivered by eight thirty so of course like by like seven thirty. I was like literally on a bench like on the sidewalk outside my house like waiting for the waiting for the Fedex truck and they didn't show up and by like nine zero five five. It's like okay. If I don't leave I either wait and then maybe catch a later train and hopefully still make my show or the sensible thing to do is to leave now nine zero five five and suffice to say that a there was no. I'd I'd not seen a Fedex person be when I left there was no fedex tag on the on the door and turned turned out that the driver just didn't even try to deliver it. He said that they they they they logged it as it we tried to deliver at eight twenty two am but no one was there to sign for it which was bs okay so so okay so that that's so so much for Friday so I thought well okay. Maybe it'll be Saturday and so so apple. PR is being really. I hate that they were doing all this extra work on my behalf because a fedex but we'll tell you what if they're having a problem like reaching my house. Why don't we we don't have to wait in the weight in the House all day for on Saturday? Why don't we just haven't delivered to the walgreens that sort of nearby even within walking distance because they have one of those secure lockers occur you know although and you sign for it so great so I get a notification saying just it'll be there after three p? M. Just go there and bring photo. ID and boom boom get there and it's not there there at four o'clock now the reason so the reason for that one was that a check the check the tracking and said well we tried to deliver but he wasn't isn't there to sign for it and they're or the business was closed and it turned to put that wasn't what happened. What had happened was that they're not? The driver is not allowed to drop off a package in that locker if it has lithium batteries in it they didn't they didn't tell apple about this. They didn't tell me about this so at the so finally I just said look just hold it at the depot. I will come and pick it up and and so it work even though I thought as I was opening the box I was like what are the chances that just put a cherry on the top of this they opened up the box and they put in like a boxing glove at a giant like iron metal spring to just punch me in the head while I opened so so what so what I'm saying is that if you are arranging for deliveries of tech stuff and particularly apple stuff don't count on eight thirty. AM delivered. I've I've sent her for a lot of people that this happens all the time that for I don't even necessarily WanNa blame the driver could be that. They're under some punishing quota awesome that can meet so. I don't WanNa -sarily blame the you don't WanNa you don't WanNa yell at the at the desk clerk for a problem that was caused by policy but nonetheless you will pay extra for eight thirty am delivery but don't count on it. Maybe it'll happen but don't count on also. Don't don't use those drop-off. pick up centers owners if it has a lithium battery in it because again maybe they won't let you do that really the only sure way to make sure you will get it at a time that you can arrange as if they hold it at the depot for you a well. Oh Oh well or you could do a Dour imple- did and go to the apple campus and get his that was much easier to deal with any of that. I don't know if I can't afford the thousand one thousand twelve hundred dollars shipping via flying out there saying hotels shipping you instead of the phone you're right. That's excellent one point so dave. Do you have the new iphone yet or not. Of course Oh yeah yeah yeah. We've got several of them here. So what do you you think screens nice really consumers are fantastic. I'm really blown away by how well those cameras Columbia wide-angle the wide angles great and and when you move from camera to camera you don't notice it like the software totally takes care era for you just so smooth yeah and really it. They've done a nice job with it. I mean I know that was sort of the thing that they're pushing this year here but they you know they delivered. I think so and the screen it's killer to sell a mate gave it an a plus saying it's the best screen we've ever scene. Although they did say they did admit so. They'll probably be better screens eventually so we're going to have to change a rating system now but for now there's better screen Sunday uh-huh for now this screen is is top of the line very bright they liked. Hd Are they like nightshift. They also select the super dim setting down to nits which is about that is that is really to knits is doc very doc true tone. They liked the diamond sub pixels. That's kind of unusual it's used on we've gone a long way from remember when led displays Penn Tile pixels awful we've gone a long way from that they said the viewing angles not not perfect. There's a little color shift but still very good power efficiencies. We know that power display efficiencies increased fifteen percent. We know that because the battery life is mind boggling and it's been a lot of things combined they say the primary goal of this display technologies shootout series has always been to publicize promote display excellence well we we got an excellent one a plus and this is on the the pro Max obviously not not the eleven I just I just I think it's great that we're at the level of sophistication where it used to be that if you wanted to demonstrate that one panel was better than the other you would put them side by side and compare now now you really have to go to the spectograph. You really have to go to the graphs to really see what each one of these panels is doing. I think I think it's wonderful for consumers that it's you have to get really deep into the budget level of phones before you get a display that is anything less than really really good. I also think is interesting is that a lot of times certainly with Samsung and they don't value color accuracy particularly go for more of a punchy oh lead apple apparent according to display calibrates each phone individually at the factory and it and it supports not only a full gamut at our GB RGB but it's also full gamut at P. Three which is kind of amazing. I smart phone to be perfectly. Accurate is mind boggling. Well look what they're doing with it. Though I mean not not only the the the pictures but you also have the forecast sixty video and video using yeah yeah they're they're just doing everything that they possibly can to make this generation of smartphones out of reach for the competitors and I I you know with the cameras in particular. I certainly think that they've done that. Well I remember we haven't seen the Pixel for yet that that's coming out October. Fifteenth Eighteenth so Google they compared to a year old almost a year old Google fund so we'll see what they can go go could do with the pixel for his hysteria historically done very very very well. Surely that's going to be very private and secure for achieves erse. Oh come on come on. You're not buying that old canard hard that somehow the iphone is magically secure not among more come on Leo fine but embarrass yourself on your own show all right. I won't mention any zero difference between zero days stuff and and the way your account is handled right. I mean certainly every operating system is going to suffer from some zero day exploits. That's very different from we take your data and sell it out the back door which one company does and does not facebook for crying out. Google does have policies in place hey to they do they. They don't they don't take your data and sell it out the back door. That's absolutely not correct kind of unfair but that's fair they do they do they do absolutely monetize it and there and you should be aware of that and you should be concerned about that depending on where your comfort level is but but on the balanced they have a smart assistant that is actually smart and actually assists. You were s series. Let me say speech version of let let me Google that for you. They just opened the front door. It's the front door. That's right. That's right. It's also not really fair to say they're selling your data they they they are selling advertising and aggregates selling your data Google Google and sad like to know where Leo LaPorte lives I I can. It's very easy if you just Google and I say where does Leo LaPorte live it might but it's not okay. That's not Kuban telling you not yeah for that phone to if it works on an android device it works on the iphone as well true but no. I think it's unfair to say that are there. Somehow like facebook does leaking your data just in general but they do they do yes we. Everybody acknowledges that that's the trade off I'm not convinced that Apple's super private either there. I cloud stuff isn't secure as we've now. We've seen that over and over again if you're a foreign government they're glad to hand over that data or even the United States government there Glenn ahead over that data so I I think it's really I don't know well. Maybe they're not glad I'm sorry I should say they handed over with a frown and a lot of resources but they don't tell the I hope will make VI cloud trust knowing encryption and and encrypted it is not currently no it well it can't be if you want to access it in your web browser bright like I message it can be but we don't get I message on the web because Apple doesn't have the keys to decrypt. Are I messages Apple Convenience over privacy. That's that's that's trade-offs companies make and I don't I don't I think it's I think it's not fair to say Oh apple somehow somehow magically secure and no one else. Is it apple. I think probably does respect my privacy more because they're they're they're does this model is selling hiber. It's not binary secure. They actually put work into it and they do put a lot of work into it. Although I think you can make a little put some work in security this well it's it's not binary right. It's a continuum between us right uber's secure an uber convenient. We know not secure at all. That's a whole different but like we could choose to live in a house that has no doors no windows in his just bricked from you. No crowns a ceiling but that's not convenient at all right. Getting in and out is sort of difficult to do that. That's right so you know it's a continuum and I think apple chooses a spot bought. That's closer to secure than you know. Let's just prioritize convenience. That said they do a pretty good job of making security convenient with things like face. Id and you know all of that stuff they. They really work to make it so that I didn't used to put a passcode on my iphone before tidy. They deserve a lot of credit for because you weren't alone day. Most people did not put passcodes in their phone. It always surprised me when I see people just unlock their phone or swipe and it was like I always did really. I always yeah me too yeah I did. I you know for me it was it's only a four four digit pass code but I always put one. Oh I'm sorry I thought you said You always swiped you've you do you use the passcode but we know the vast majority of of Vai phone users did not until maybe touch ID. I can't remember exactly when we started making that. This now it's mandatory you have to have a pass code and you have to have face. Id built in and I think that's appropriate. That's a that's and I think you can give up a lot of credit for nudging its users into into a more secure space. That's one of many ways they do that so that's good don't go ahead I love one of the new features of IOS thirteen eighteen in and you'll see it on your new iphone upgrade where it's telling me whenever an APP is going out and getting my location and uploading. It's telling me I saw yesterday on on on red at somebody said mapped me apple just told me his set my location twenty three times to its surfer and I have even open the application once in the last twenty four hours and to get that information and then to have a setting that says you know what only allow it to do this when the APP is open or never allow that that is absolutely a big boon to consumers google's copied that I should point out glow Google out doing that and we'll know the ten they had that they had that well okay say copied but this is a this is a priority that all companies are starting to face Google Google I think Google and apple because they have a sense of responsibility to their users facebook because it's very expensive to have your CEO having to go to the Senate and having to go have meetings with the president and if they want to make sure that they get keep keep a hold of instagram and WHATSAPP. They're going to have to at least put some put some a may may make a show of caring about what people do have with their with their data but this is something that every single consumer is becoming more hip about fortunately fortunately now we have the congress getting more hip about it as well we have fifty we have forty eight states senators and the along with DC excuse me state the district attorney's Ernie's including a plus. DC and Puerto Rico getting together just saying we are going to form of coalition to investigate how well apple and facebook and Google and everybody everybody handled data how well they compete because in ten years time we're not going to see the same regulatory field that we have right now which is a barren landscape gape where anybody can do anything and their repercussions by the way speaking of copying and by the apple copies Google and their camera APP. This is nightmare. Oh that's absolutely a copy of but I think cross copying is fine. I don't think that's a that besmirches either one for Google copy apple or Apple Cup of Google although Google will in the in the face of Apple Launching Archaic just launched Arcade for and even gave it a tab on the on the APP story. This is the Google play What is it called Andy? I can't remember what they call it but it's a it's a it's a for for for for surpisingly interestingly chosen four dollars ninety nine cents a month. You know get a free access to a bunch of not just games but a bunch of APPs as well on your Google. only also add thank you. Let's be clear about dight mode. apple has been working on night mode owed and camera features like that for many years as has everybody everybody wants you know better low low light condition shot so they didn't just copy night mode from people from Google and to apple's credit they did it right. They didn't rush into it and the night mode is I think much better integrated into the operating system a load initially an android was a nightmare because he'd be a nightmare and all of a sudden some APP would launch with a bright white screening Here's a here's a great image from the verge. Google maps is user location ninety three times in the background over the past three days. Do you want allow this although interesting article it says this is why so many APPs are now asking for Bluetooth access. That's how they're tracking you. Without using maps. Dunkin would like to use Bluetooth yeah why well it turns out. They've got a beacon in the store and if Bluetooth is turned on you'll the store will no. You're an Dunkin so that's something rarely a bad thing. It might give you own a no yeah I I have to admit it puzzlement by Funk kept saying you know hey this would as a why does macy's want Bluetooth. What is it doing? There are so many wraps are now asking me for Bluetooth so that's why yeah that that's why we need regulation. We have all of this sort of negated. If you have the ability if everyone who collects data and retain tain state has the re has responsibility of if I contact Dunkin donuts and say oh by the way any data you've collected off of this specific device you're GonNa you're gonNA erase it within thirty the days and they are required to do so or face a punishment of ten dollars per user per day then we'll start to see actual control of your data. I think that most most people they're not they're not necessarily concerned about their data being collected so much as one it being collected without their in from information or consent and be league not having any control over that data once it's collected so if you address those two I imagine how many how many people use browsers that don't have tracker blocker plug ins built in which to me is insane. It's like leaving your bike just leaning against a city railing without no law I would never I would never use a browser without something that controls attracting but people do that anyway but be people who do care that they need to have the ability to control that I think it's you know I always wonder about this because I didn't care for a long time and I've started care a little bit more recently and if done taken steps just to kind of protect myself like using fire Fox and so forth but I wonder if the vast majority of normal users to age they know and then beat they care. What do you think Jim you think people know so I think people look at these stories about this and say wow? That's that's terrible. I didn't know that what happened. Wait a minute. I gotta go check in on facebook right exactly so I think the average user views is this as something that will never affect them because well. I don't do much on facebook and you know this is. This is just something for for me. Nobody cares cares about hacking me or nobody. Nobody really sells adds to me. You know it's that's not what they see now. What I think ends up happening happening is that you get a group of People La- privacy people are tech people that are get really really and rightfully so wound up abode the privacy issues that are going on right now and and what happens with that is that they end up surrounding themselves elves with other people that write that way to believe that they're making this huge monumental change when in actual fact they're not thought they're just continuing to surround themselves with people that agree with their opinion on on privacy and security and the average people are going in about their day on on facebook and that's proven because facebook continues to make billions tens of billions of dollars according to I know so in order for this monumental change that these people and I praise them for you know their their their zeal in in trying to fix a lot of these problems? I just don't think that it's working to the extent that they believe it's working and in order to see really work. What's going to need to happen is that you will need to see facebook? Say you you know last a quarter or a year ago quarter. We made twenty five billion dollars. This quarter remade five that would be well. That's so that that's already happening and say well we expect the FTC to find us nine billion dollars next quarter the EU will be finding eleven billion dollars on an in a month you but but andy this isn't four quarters a work that they've done. This is an investigation. That goes has gone on for years so they've made twenty five billion dollars a quarter. Let's say that the investigation has been going on for five years. That's one hundred billion a year that they've made aid for five years and they're going to attack find them five billion eleven billion who cares that happily pay that and keep the other eighty billion Elian part of the problem that we see to that that's why we need. EU style regulation on the the worst of these things right now right now sucker burgers personally on the hook for the details of the twenty two thousand eleven agreement they May facebook made with the FTC to settle that ongoing dispute because they agree to certain terms that they then absolutely refuse to stick to due to the NBC came back exactly they didn't I mean and then they came so they have to see came back and said okay. Guess what you know you're now you are going to be personally responsible for this. You're going to appoint a couple of officers that are purse going to be personally responsible for for the consented agreement as well and if you fail now we're talking about you. Personally are going to be paying fines and or you personally are going to be serving jail time. You need to put that kind of skin in the game. Get given nobody I mean when the the equifax breach the only person who went at Equifax who went to jail for breach for being responsible for being so irresponsible with people's credit history reports that hundred the tens of millions one hundred million reports were leaked out the only person who went to jail is the officer who decided that Gee this news is going to come out in a week stock is going to tank better better sell all my equifax that guy went to jail but the as far as the other people in in a settlement the same we'll. Maybe we'll give you a hundred bucks but you probably will not we'll never actually collected active. This is why we need to it. We can't have regulations we have to have laws now deserve screener regulation and a law as Congress passes laws the FTC and the and the Justice Department pass break relations. We need laws now. So what about that camera though really good Uh to answer your question how many people care ads yeah yeah an observer you know we we can tell how many Oh oh yeah 'cause you got ad blockers coming to your site of course and it's about twelve percent this adds real on a site like Mac observers so these are informed armed people but I assume there's some level of them that choose to white list our site right because they're fans of the site or whatever there's Mac observer do the pop up thing thing where it says I see you're using an adblocker support us. You know things do that about ten years ago and turn it off site. What am I we? It didn't make any any difference whatsoever. It was like why do I want. It's like it's not worth it. Yeah is that is that number correlated to how many people proportionally are visiting your site site via mobile devices where a privacy plug ins are not quite as easy to install and manage That's a good question. That's that's aggregate numbers but it you know it hasn't really changed over the years from when we went from no mobile to to you know many many mobile yeah it's it's always been that kind of between ten and fifteen in fact it used to be higher now. It's lower so maybe that is the reason mobile bring that number down a little bit yeah. I'm just gonNa tell you right right now. I'm turning off my adblocker on macaser DOT COM. I appreciate that everybody does that to bring back apple quickly this is this is why I do appreciate that apple is sincere about carrying about privacy but remember that for years they were railing against old facebook is so irresponsible Ogla so irresponsible. These other companies are irresponsible. We're not so irresponsible but okay guess what it because your because your browser on the iphone is one of the most popular browsers in the entire world you could just simply change safari so that secure so that ad blocking kind kind of hard wired into the system and it's always informing the user of what what's going on with tracking but you didn't really care about that did you so that's what that's why I'm saying that I do believe that they're sincere about it but when they when apple decides to hold themselves up as being so above everybody else when they're willing to fight it and make the post for the statue about thinking the privacy is a human rights and human freedom unless you live in China in which case we want to have respect for local the laws that's this is why I really think that we have to have a more honest discussion industry-wide about where the lines are what we are willing willing to accept what we're willing to absolutely not crossed the line on and this is why I am always a little bit skeptical whenever any company Apple included make such a bold and broad statement eight point about what they believe in and why they are superior to another company in that field I have to give props because I do think that they are attempting increasingly increasingly to encrypt more and more in preparation for the day when they want to be able to say to a government Gee we'd love to give it to you but we don't have have we don't have it and that was of course what happened in with famous. FBI versus apple case and so forth and I think apple after that said you know and what from now on let's work harder on making it impossible for us to to satisfy government requests what's going to happen in countries like Australia or Russia or China China where you're not allowed to encrypt things. That's another matter that's a matter for another day. Sorry Jim go ahead. It's just going to say that. you know no matter what company you who are you have to abide by the laws and rules of the countries that that you're in so you know to say that apple is I'm. Maybe I'm paraphrasing here. Andy may be weaken China. I think is is a bit unfair because apple has to operate within the law in China. Now the rest of the world basically is is okay with being a very very closed and private and secure they they applaud that and apple does that in all those places that it can but having said that I do agree that Eh you know I wish there was something more that apple could do in in China to help out there and you know maybe in the future they will so you know if then if that opportunity is there L. Market I mean that's what Google did you could leave the market but but they even even ten faded leave the market in twenty eleven before it became as big a market as right now and you'll be knows it is and we'll and we all knew it. I was GONNA be valuable. Come on but also we know that that that that was a laudable thing that they that they did walk away however now. Let's we do know that project Phoenix was a real thing they were trying to create a search engine that would see that would work within Google's. Excuse me the Chinese the government's rules before they got pretty much slapped down. There still a lucky that now we're getting our discussion which we probably should Yvonne. It's but you have to move on. I I will say that about the camera that I so I took my first portrait selfie effort right after I set it up and then he kind of looked at the looked at the screen said okay let's kind of Nice and then when I finally looked at it on my laptop screen like it's I I'm just concerned that people think that Andy wants all of his skin tones like sort of evened out any wants like all the lines like near his is to be softened and he wants is to be big and bright. It's it's like I think that this first iteration that I've seen in the iphone eleven it looks a little bit pageant e just a little bit and I know that happened the the and apple backs down on that I don't I haven't noticed that in the current one but remember waiting on fusion actually let me take a break when we come back. I'd love to know what I'm sure Jim. You've been briefed. Maybe Dave has to I would like to know what you guys think about the fusion camera which is coming out later this year and what difference Prince that will make also love to talk about now that it's out thirteen point one and what we're seeing there and there's a lot more to talk about including getting some good news for Austin but first word from our sponsor capterra. If you're in business I feel so sorry for I see these surveys of businesses and in which they say what version of windows are you using and it's still like thirty or forty percent windows. XP He and I know why that that that number is so high because they've got software that runs their business that requires it or requires Internet explorer eight. Oh you know that's sad. 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Come on you can say that much I don't I don't know I don't know all all they've said is a brand new way of taking pictures with a neural engine in the eighth thirteen chip that will look at your saw your your image and say well. That's a human that's a dog. That's a wall and adds to the detail. Reduce the noise. This is that thing we're at shoots nine nine images before you press the shutter button. It's captured four short images for secondary images when push button it takes one long exposure photo does the analysis in a second and comes out with photo Dave. Did they tell you anything no they I can I can say they didn't tell me anything. They're not saying maybe they told maybe they told Jim more than me but which wouldn't surprise me but Yeah Computational Photography v Mad Science that's all I know it sure looks cool doesn't it we don't know when and it is not on your now. Go ahead Andy. I I did ask him about it during my briefing thing and the only thing I got out of them was that it was for now optimized towards people and portrait sort of things like that so it's not necessarily going to be hey. I see that you're taking picture of dolphins at the beach. I know dolphins look like I know that that I know I wanNA use a high-speed charter. I know that I wanted to use that but yeah it does feel like just like a all this the the lighting features that came out a couple years ago it does feel like this feature where if I spend two weeks testing it out and writing about it whatever I say about about it will be almost completely useless after six or seven months I do feel as though they are going to be continuing to improve as time goes by how much of this do you think is is a way of hedging hedging their bets against Google Pixel four coming out in a couple of weeks that well I. I don't think they have their bets against the Pixel but I do think that this is a great example about about how both the the galaxy note and the Pixel and the iphone also always do phones the all these ones really I push all the other horses in the race to go further and further and faster Jim was right. It's not as though as though apples at Ooh nightside how great pictures and low light that's a great idea. We should do that but it does mean that it does give apple last year gave them like a bar saying okay. We are rolling out this feature. Here is the bar we need to eclipse slips and also things like what is what isn't good Ab- It really does take impressive pictures but what is not not convenient about it. Okay how about having to actually activate activate the feature so it's it's I don't I think that they are aware that Google as usual is going to stress how good their artificial intelligence machine language based photography photographic jury is going to be and they have to top it. Yeah I totally agree with with handy on that. When you look at how companies are pushing each other that that's definitely a good things good for elephants competition is good for the best but when you when you look at at these different features we have to remember that all of these companies have been working on machine learning and things like that for quite a while? It's WHO's GonNa come out with the best machine learning and who's going to come out with the easiest way implemented and you know looking at some of the things that apple is done where they make automatic that may be great for the average user. Maybe not so great for the pro you know and the these are the things that that apple has to try and way when it releases new features of you've you know who are we trying to please here well. Who are they trying to please with the slow fee? That's my instagram influences clearly. I think that's Andy I me because I wanna see I wanna see someone doing a spit. Take or even vomiting or sneezing in super slow motion dreams have been answered it will happen apple is actually trying to trademark the term slow fees apply to the US patent then trademark Office for the term that'd be and the rest of makers are saying you know what apple you can have that by you can have it. That's right thank you can have. That's just PR move right. I mean they might as well do it but it has the remarks Lo fi with a p. h. No uh-huh and our good friend Mike Sergeant owns that so stay away apple stay away. That's all like well if he has it and it sounds the same then and that automatically causes it to to to to be rejected. You're young man's heart. I know if he already he has it then. He'll then apple to buy it from well. He registered it right when apple announced it so I don't know if there's depends on when apple he also he also misspelled he spelled it with a p. H. Got it yes lucky dot net and slow fee dot org so it's a complicated complicated story it begins with the United States government granting apple exemptions for tariffs on Chinese imports including the power supply and the motherboard these were these were all gonna be tariffed in September on Friday today of last week the US Office of the Office of the US trade representative granted apple exemptions on the magic mouse to the magic track pad a two and various external components exclusions. Go till August twenty eighth in fact any tariffs already paid will be refunded did does not cover the Apple Watch iphones ipods those will be tariffs starting December fifteen months. I wish I could have have that. refund check Can you match at that was just one check yeah. I just want one percent of that refunding ninety nine. I'm good so really immediately after that announcement apple says Oh guess what now we can make the MAC pro in Austin. Oh Oh so the announcement was on Friday apple announced it on Monday yeah at any. I mean let let's be realistic here. Apple always made the Mac pro in Austin that Oh that's a good point. Although there was some question and apple was careful not to say where we're GONNA make it also we have apple continuing to make the same product in the same place in the US has not really as much news as what it the the media would would have us believe. I think they're trying to make more out of it than than what's actually their first first of all this. Oh cheese grater is nothing like the old Mac pro. Let's that's beyond the name only is there any similarity whatsoever certainly certainly not in price. Are you going to buy one Jim for your music. said I would love to have one of those would my music but you know I uh if you start looking into music and stuff like that four the average user you know you can you can do a lot on an I max Max now so there's so powerful I just got a new cabinet is a sixty one megapixel camera. This thing chokes almost any device. I loaded up light rain which is normally a pig on the I mac pro. It's no slower it handles it no problem easy peasy Z. So there's a lot of headroom on the existing. I Mac pro even just the regular. I make like that machine gene is smoking. It is way more than most of us would need even doing you know especially like home stuff with music. I I can't imagine that you'd really ever run into a problem with that. Even if you had a lot of plug ins running an excuse and compression and all that I think it's still handling depending on that if you use use products like universal audio which I use your offloading all the processing onto external gear so now your your. CPU is is freed beat up just to handle the live recording of music or mixing editing now so it will be made at the flex plant saint place that the trash can MAC is. I don't know if is the right word for the trash can back. It's probably they made a few thousand in two thousand thirteen and they just stopped. That's how people were saying at the flex plan is we haven't made a new one of those in ages. We serve them but we haven't made a new one in ages. I know I feel like this new. Mac is Mac pro is going to be like a Rolls Royce. It's GonNa it'd be handmade. They're going to have a Taylor. Come in and stitch the leather. They're going to do it all by hand because you know there might so I mean. How many are they going to sell these? It's GONNA so so lot of them. I think even starting thousand bucks and the one you this is this is the ultimate pro machine. Get Pros have been waiting waiting for you and you're going to get the movie studios. All of the music studios the high end scientific market. You know all of these people are GonNa go buy a new MAC pro. I was trying to go with is I don't know I'm going to get the West Wing and the east wing should have their own Mac pro. I I I agree with you. I'll send you a bill not to mention the Pool House those extra on the deck absolutely yes actually I just bought those outdoor sonos speakers. I might as well a bought a MAC pro Christ out of sodas. Keep charging Soma so much eight hundred bucks or something crazy. Did you check out the new Sonos move. That's what I'm talking about talking about yeah I I. I've been messing with that up for a little while. I mean it's a great speaker right and having it be airplay and Bluetooth battery powered and basically checking off all the boxes that anybody ever complained about that Sonos. It doesn't make a speaker that has X. That's got it right. I feel like it's a hundred bucks too expensive four hundred dollars and of course Jerry Oh you got to have two of them yeah that's right so but they did a nice job with you already got yours. Mine was shipped but I haven't received you've already got yours yeah yeah and it's what's really cool about it is they wanted to make sure that to sound from the tweeter from a high end speaker didn't just come straight out like a tweeter tweeter normally would they knew it was going to be used outside so they wanted the sound spread so that twitter is actually placed face down in the top of the unit and there's this this way curve piece of plastic they went through sixty five rations of it or something and it not only spreads the sound out about one hundred eighty degrees but it also drains because you're going to get rain on the thing when you leave it outside so it's pretty cold outside in a rainstorm about a week ago. It's not just because I had to. You know what it did fine. Okay I take great. I lie so you don't actually have to plug it into charge. It has a charging stand charges on it yeah. It's like a ring at calling it. A stand isn't quite right because acoustically you wouldn't want the speaker sitting in like right hop of that ring right so the speaker actually sits on your table and then the ring is perfectly shaped to charge it when you drop the speaker in essentially inside inside the ring. It's listen to it inside the ring. Yeah you could totally that's that's the idea is maybe that that ring in your kitchen or whatever alternate grilling accessory right grab it and take it out. That's why honestly yes. That's why I got it. It's that bad in the hot tub. I want to be take it outside. Dave case could really important question. Does the ring leave a ring on your I don a leak and the answer is no but but we'll see so yeah your pricing wrong yeah. That's it you you. You clearly don't have the sort of super expensive furniture. That apple thinks that deserves to be placed under their own speaker. I don't have expensive furniture. Thank God I thank God they've kind kind of kept up with the Times because I have such an investment and Sonos not just at home but here we have shown us all of the studio here and you checked out those new symphonic honest speakers the Kea no no you can get it. It's a hundred Bucks Leo Speaker it's fully Sonos Sonos sodas compatible it. It is a Sonos speakers just sold by Ikea. It's a nine to several if so you could if you want it but you don't have to okay and its airplay to and all the stuff that that new sonos speakers except it's one hundred bucks not the guilt get that one. That's the that's the silly lamp thing I have one of those. It's no but the bookshelf one is in the world. I see I want to buy a just reward them for that marketing copy. Well it looks like so home home pod with the plastic landed on top of it yeah e. from you and me if he started playing music and a disco ball popped out there that would be no the lamp isn't even smart in that right like that switch on the side is just to turn the lamp on and off you should be able to talk with the speaker is smart. You should be able to talk to the web we have a t-shirt talked to doc. Where's the show going down here on the two? He doesn't show up uh no no he didn't help either one bad thing were learning from the makers of Haleiwa the wide angle camera on the iphone pro they can't they can't access raw capture. They can't access the the lens directly so it's the altar wide camera isn't yet caps capable of capturing raw image data or manual focus so hey light can't can't do its thing with that. Ultra wide angle this is ben Dov skin from Hey lied. Manual focus makes sense because it's Super Wide Angle Lens. It's got the it's. It's probably got this really huge depth of field anyway anyway. The RAW is there. The RAW is interesting. It may be that they don't want the people to see exactly what raw how exactly how distorted it is and how much pixie dust the iphone has to sprinkle over to turn it into into what looks like a normal image while you know they're doing it in eighteen millimeter effective which means it's GonNa have some curvature some barrel distortion no matter what and clearly when you look at the images it's been corrected so maybe that is the reason yeah other but other cameras do for instance a on the Google Pixel phone they they do have like their advanced. Hd are which if you if because it's a synthetic image there shouldn't be a RAV file capable from it but they generate what they would. They admitted sort of like a full raw say we'll we'll. We'll give you sort of all the all the features that you would want from a raw file even though we this is a completely synthetic Kim and so it's not like apple couldn't do that in the future if they have any concerns but that that is interesting it's kind of an it's a little bit disappointing but hopefully we'll see it in the future because when you talk about this being a pro pro phone and pro camera where a lot of people are going to be using it for like field journalism where so. It's it's unfortunate it's also I think I I don't it doesn't I don't want as much because it's such a kind of odd look. It's actually thirteen millimeters equivalent not eighteen so it is it is very wide. It's kind of weirdly wide. I love that look but I think it is kind of an extra flavor. It's like the liquorice of camera lenses the Red Licorice nut black luxurious leuze definitely black licorice kissing some people love it other people blood pressure from eating too much of it but I I I honestly think that's a really great feature having a Super Wide Angle Lens because if you've always the thing is you can't back up farther right and then a certain point to get everything in but you can always like crop something in so if I I would love to have both telephoto and super y but if I had to choose one I would definitely take the super pied yeah no especially if you're taking building pictures things like that as you say in areas where you just can't forget every you want to get everybody in the in the table in the shot so yeah yeah I like wide-angled photography. Actually I'm Kinda Fan. This is a sixteen to thirty five pounds on this and I really I just really enjoy Choi that see anything. I want to talk more about the hardware. We're getting new IPADS. The ten point two inch low cost IPAD shipping to customers tomorrow in store later this week according to macrumors. That's good Actually I got a good question for you. You guys receive an invitation to to another apple event yet. I most certainly have not no dot. I do you think Jim there will be another other apple event. They got to announce the MAC pro. If showing it they already showed the Mac pro okay okay. I don't think they do another event just to say hey look at the much more ipads. Here's a ipad pros in the mix. There's inch yeah I was literally waiting for that sixteen inch MAC book before I buy another laptop but it's but it'd be interesting to see what they choose to do. Do like one one way is to have not even a big event like sort of like a more like a town hall sort of adverse event. There's only about one hundred hundred people in there but another one is two for apple to decide what concerns and what concerns do we want to address in the populace about what we've changed with this new MAC book and it's possible that the best way for them to do that is to make an announcement release a whole bunch of really cool videos and a real real cool website skills check out but make sure that they choose eight people that are really going to be copacetic with the changes that they've made and let them have it for a couple of weeks then let them sort of make the announcement so to speak because it's it's hard to know what at this point. It's hard to know what merits rapple. We're going to bring every people everyone into no no. We're going to Book Book Big Hall in order to show this off. I don't think that there's I don't know that there's anything that's left on the board yet that would merit anything more than one hundred people in town hall but it is it would be a pro event. It could be like that school event but maybe I don't know Hollywood studio or or or New York City there. There are a whole bunch of small spaces that are like you know like the friends that almost where it's all panel you can set it up Microsoft. Does that a lot with a lot are there. Events Amazon does that for for their events as well where they can really control the thing and make it into the room that they want a professional level piece of hardware to be shown off in because it's not going to be about showing telling getting consumers excited about new phone callers. It really is going to be about getting people who bill at thousands of dollars per hour excited about buying a twenty thousand dollar computer that will help them with their half a million dollar projects so so jim you. You don't think they'll do an event well. I think it's going to be how fundamentally changing the industry this This computer is what they think it is like Andy said they could they could easily explain a new MAC book pro with videos and everything else but if they feel that this is a monumental shift then they'll have an event right. Okay I mean they've already showed the MAC pro. There's no need to really show that again. All they're doing now is is putting out there. A redesign of the MAC book pro would be a significant event well yeah. Maybe it's just the screen. I mean if there's more power in there. It's a you know it's a a device that is going to be more widely used than I could see that maybe if there's IPAD IPAD pros along the way and they do Mac book ipad type of of combined event but it all depends on how a monumental they think it is if they're just going to upgrade processors and stuff then you know small bump then. I don't think that that that would warrant a a an event I mean we already have an eight core Mac book pro right so is making the screen on the eight core Mac book pro enough to warrant assembling everyone from all corners of the earth discrediting the rumor that they're going to abandon the butterfly keyboard for this you think that that's a possibility well you and I might see that as a reason to assemble people from all corners of the Earth to go to that party exactly well but it is it is it is a fly in the soup and if if you know that most of the coverage if when you when you write constructively attractively about the macbook pro you're writing about a one of the things that you have to write about is a keyboard that was failing failing failing failing that a lot of people does don't don't even like when it works and so it depends on whether apple sees that as a it's time for us to do a minor mea culpa and say that we're still working on this. We're still developing this. We we know that one of the things that you might be interested in is Howard progressing on the keyboard and so here is a lot of stuff that we're talking about about how we changed fixed upgraded whatever the keyboard in order. It's possible that they're going to say that. Most of the customers are happy with it. Let's not a call attention to it. I think that the fact that they keep when it became a `support issue when he became a durability issue that's when it stopped becoming something that they could really say oh well. Some people like we think that most people like it when they when you have so many stories of people saying well I had to download a special APP from the APP store just to make my just to make the the stuttering keys on my keyboard. Stop Stuttering. That's that's when they have to at least make part of that presentation and here's how we've redesigned the keyboard along with talking people for private briefings and saying more in depth that here is what we have found. Here's what we're doing to change it. They that is something again. They have to take the flat of the soup. Somehow and I'll say again and I've I've. I've said this before four I have used all generations of these keyboards on macbook pros over the past few years and I have not had an issue now. I realize that some people do and I I feel terrible for those people because I can't imagine how frustrating that might be but you know just as a what back break weekly panelists loves the Apple Butterfly Keyboard. We've had the every one of them that we've purchased the Review Unit macbook Pro at I have does not have that issue macbook air and macbook Pro that we've purchased here has had within within six months of it leaving the factory. It's had the stuttering keys so you're right andy. It's it's personal preference. It's like there's a functional channel issue with these things but for me I haven't had I like you Jim. I've not had a problem with it. I just don't like it so I like it. Yeah you and you like it but that's that's the the personal preference part so yeah so yeah I mean honestly I would. I'm waiting because I love the idea of a sixteen inch screen and the fifteen inch body. I liked the body design. I don't think they need to really redesign it. Except maybe I would like to see more connectors. Maybe I guess that's that that reporters left the barn and I would really like to see well. There's two things one is a better keyboard a real keyboard with some travel and maybe no not the touch Barbara just the fingerprint part of the touch bar like on my macbook air. I would love to see that too so I think there's places. They could go with it but you know they're not making it for for me. I'm waiting to see what they do and if because I I'm due to buy a new laptop new high and laptop. It's going to be that if they offer that if they don't then then it's GonNa be a Lenovo. I personally don't use touch bride. I could never really figure out how to use the touch power you know for the purposes. I know what what it is but they still only on the touch bar. I guess they are big time because they just added it to the the lowest. I priced macbook revamp that in June. There's no escape Mac left. No I like the touch bar I I like the one out of four MAC quickly cut same one cast one follow up question do you also recommend sugarless gum for people who chew gum or Ventriloquist come for the night. My attorney says that I I need to declined to coming out of five doctors. Recommend a hearty breakfast. I just I can I and that's and that's absolutely fine. I I hope that Apple Apple puts a lot more of their passion into this idea of the new features of Catalina and the new new ios where just the idea of all the people who have iphones or ipads and the ability to say well what if we just say if you've got a lot of weeds let developers use this as a touch interface with its zone like onscreen controls its own onscreen buttons. Its own like you can have a job shuttle. You can have a color Palette on it. that would be just such a transformative thing not just just for the MAC book but for Laptops in general we've been seeing on the windows side of things some early experiments in having like laptops that have additional screens built into them and not all of them. Are I think really successful but I think that all of them are really really interesting. In terms of a direction action that a laptop or even desktop computing can go and it's been a while since apple really did something that just every on the on the desktop or on laptops that everybody decided sided that wow this is such a good idea that we have to think about how we're going to incorporate this in our own designs and if they were to say that not only would they be selling a lot more iphones and a lot more ipads but they really really would be transforming the the Macintosh and making something. That's really prepared for twenty twenty twenty twenty one twenty twenty twenty two all right well. I guess I'm going to get rid of that. Save the date and and just wait for a press release. If they did announce it it would be an October right yeah or you think they can't wait too long because they had holiday things that happened after Stober tend to happen when they've absolutely promised by the end of a certain calendar year and they can't back away from at this point and so that's when you see that we have three of them available eligible for order on December thirty first while you're still drinking for New Year's that's about if if if it's not if it's not available in by let's say the first week in November. I don't think we'll see anything that's going to happen with thirteen. I got the trash can Mac they they announced it and I ordered it but it didn't arrive until January. I remember that yeah all right well. We'll see we'll see We'll see what happens. Let's take a break. We'll come back. I WanNa talk about the watch I I. I bought something in the APP store. More wild wild on the watch that that was interesting experience. We'll also talk about something. 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It's it's just it's fascinating to due to see it to look at it. Nice to to read along with it. You know I it's just one of those things if you're getting the Music Hugh Listener Jim. I don't want to say anything but it's you never know what the guys saying. I'm allowed to know he's seeing my love is like a red red rose. How I'm teasing but there's a lot of music I listen to the rolling lengths? Does I never knew what what those songs about right. You never you put on the lyrics and you know all of a sudden you you're. You're reading a story. Yeah Yeah with these look so I really liked myself i. I think it's great to have that option in there that so you know the lyrics come up as the music comes up. You don't need to scroll. You don't need to do anything you just. You're basically sitting there reading a story to music the man I love it. They've also added. I I called it lyrics to live by this video series that they're doing with names like Halsey Hunter Hayes Midland the stories behind their careers. I think this is really where apple differentiates from spotify and all the other competitors by their love for music and the unique way I think that they curate and and and do their music stuff. It's for people I always feel like it's for people who we used to listen to. That's because this is me I used to listen to album oriented rock radio and and I would listen specific. Dj's because they would know about the music music the way they mixed it the way they talked about it. You could tell their love for it and I think I feel the same way a little bit about what apple is doing and I think it's an important part. I'm sure that's some of the influence ah Johnny I of of I have seen and some of it's just because of apples. DNA with music music fans there yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it's good songwriting Gods and Goddesses playlists from Elton in John Joni Mitchell Neil Young Bruce springsteen see get some great playlists in there. This is yeah and discovery. I think is very good on apple music as well. That's a tough one to compete with Koska spotify's discover weekly play with so good but apple does something similar thing yeah apple's playlists. I I find myself gravitating more toward spotify playlist and apples yeah and I don't know why that is is i. I mean I've noticed it consistently over the last whatever year and I'm not exactly sure why but I know I'm I'm no longer spotify premium member but I kind of agree with you on that and even the radio that apple does I do have to say the radio it was better than Pandora for sure without without the weird repeats and stuff but that's what gets me but I just cancelled my Pandora. Yeah no you don't because the the repeats were just so awful and Pandora always like somehow managed to get a Beatles song in no matter what what the playlist was. I want to hear country music anything wrong with shoot checking. The Beatles is the Kevin Bacon of Music Batugade again matter what stammering they'll always find a connection to a Beatles Song. It's an algorithm. It's there's always a Beatles connection. I think you're exactly right Let's see there's there's arcade. How do you guys like arcade? Love used it all Jim. You GotTa get out of that music. Shell you're in now I I'm. I'm just nod OUGHTA Gamer. you know I understand why people use arcade and I understand that it's going to be very popular but it's just not something something that I I use. I just don't play Games so Y- Jim K. K. Can I say something that I'm I'm not a Gamer either and I've you've course I I signed up for it soon as I activated the iphone eleven and been downloading so many of these cool games they're they're not real the games that I've been finding. Aren't there more like puzzles. They're more like interactive pieces. A lot of them are like interactive pieces of art. They're not the sort of games get me all like wound up his calm approach so I I I liked him a lot the frustrating to me. I don't know that I would have signed up if I didn't I mean I guess I would have anyway but I I signed up because I knew it would actually save us. Money have as seventy nine year old son but this happy though that's a good question because he's he's presumably a hardcore Gamer right at that age. He plays a lot of games yeah for sure yeah. He's happy in fact he was showing me well we were. We're having lunch. He doesn't seem to go to school a whole lot. He's worked out anyway. We were having We're having lunch together today and he's like. Have you seen hot lava disc games this so fun. It's so fun yeah psycho yeah look at this is losing forty one. You have to sneak around and get to the phone before the get stopover guy gets you and it's it's kind of it. I'll tell you what I love about. These Games are games. It probably wouldn't can make it on the APP store without out because there are just some of them are really more ardy beds without yeah yeah but I think these are. These are just really Oh God getting. They're getting their. Ah Yes I did. I got there. I snuck around. It's like it's like a castle Wolfenstein rails but there's no shooting and and this is you know kinda pretty typical of apple stuff is that they don't they don't like to do You know shoot. 'em Up serious. There's some there's some fighting but this is a real. It's it's just creative. They're very creative. and five bucks a month and it seems like an unlimited supply of entertainment. I worry about the game can do the game ecosystem outside the arcade yeah yeah yeah how many games need to move into arcade as arcades moves along right. That's that's the real question is what does it look like a year from now and does the exclusivity remain and if it does can ten people migrate into it in order to take advantage and participate. They're like the I got a lot of questions. I would not want to be a big title on the APP store especially especially a free medium title right now on the APP store within that purchases because I feel like people are going to go yeah no. I'll do what I got. Go ahead any yeah but particularly I hope they're I hope that I get to like actually pay for and keep a game like what the Gulf Yeah. It's it's. It's almost like a stand up routine that you're just in the audience of because it's not I mean it's it starts you off thinking that okay look. It's a cute little cartoony like mini golf game but then like you you take a swing and the second and third hole you take a swing and you've actually just thrown the player and now like every time Um you swing your throwing the player onto the green and now it's level after level after level and I just I I would like to be able able to own the games. I really really like and have access to play them in replay them whenever I want that would be disappointed if someday of left left Apple Arcade and the developers didn't find a way to put it back in the APP store or whatever because it's it's the same problem you have like with Netflix streaming services where you hate to think that okay well I can only see I can only watch friends or Seinfeld until Netflix or whoever Hulu blue decided that loses the rights to it and then maybe if I sign up for this other its own things I I would also like to. I would also like the pleasure of taking five dollars out out of my wallet and giving it to the people who wrote this APP or your. I'M GONNA price here's some money. I want you to have some money. I watch the next time that you buy a Muffin at starbucks I want you to maybe think that was the eighteen dollars I gave you. Four of those singles were paid for that Muffin. I'm going to cry if I if they take this away. Hey you're right. I never even I never even thought about that. You know this is this is this is like this. This game is hours of fun and and if they said they said Oh yes no more but you know what maybe that's actually now that you mention it. That's going to be the secret of this. Oh you WANNA keep playing it. I'll just pay five bucks and and you can keep playing it. Maybe that's why these guys are putting up with that. That's an extra that's the nature of the streaming world subscribing world that we live in right things. Leave Net flicks and rial crap right. Maybe that is a reality. I don't know it's interesting to maybe maybe there there. the thought of this whole thing is that when games do leave the arcade because they bring in new games then you'll bio. We'll be allowed to sell them yeah. I think that's probably it yeah yeah now. I'm going to be bummed because a couple of months. I'm going to have to buy this but that is a good incentive for the developer for isn't it yeah apple allows that like like what kind of long-term deal because if if everybody's like well cool I'll use apple arcade need to get people hooked and then a month in I'll bail and now you've got to pay me twenty bucks i. I don't think Allen No. I don't think that you can bail. I think it's going to be a situation of where maybe apple you know. They keep adding games so at some point they're going to have to trim if they trim than your the game is gone but let's not forget that apple is helping to fund these games to right so it could be that you're being paid for you know the development and everything by apple and then if they want to shelving it's there's shelf right yeah but at least it's at least it's not it's it's only exclusive of two iphone in regards to mobile mobile platforms so that there's nothing there's nothing befriended them for making version for windows or for consoles souls or for the switch so at least there's that this is now on the Apple. TV Today's the day you can update your apple TV and and go out and get. I'm bill. I don't know what I'm doing here apparently building building something. I don't know that that podcasting Yes yes. I remember that that's so nineteen ninety five to a twitch stream starting with this episode the All game play all the time just to letters man and you're good to go apple Oh has also added some shortcut capabilities right to IOS thirteen point one automation is built in you know what is automation. Tell me about that home automation which was taken out. I think went back and I can have home automation shortcuts club which which is which is one of the greatest things about having shortcuts to begin with so that that didn't go away forever I can't I have to I have to have to find friends who have like also view one chip equipped phones because now the point to point to point the finger at someone else's you want to quit phones that that come that comes around with thirteen point one. Oh I didn't know that so I should airdrop. I should try air-dropping to somebody and see if I can aim at them right now. They should mix that with what the golf and I should be able to pull this back and fire a baby at them that would be cool but no what what they should it should do as it should make do. Do you transfer Oh. I didn't realize that that's that's turned on as of this okay. That's exciting. That's exciting Sark mode. You'll love dark mode who doesn't love dark doc mode this is ipad. Os we're talking about now you will absolutely want upgrade. Both your iphone if it's on on thirteen point zero and your ipad if it's on twelve point ex because the thirteen point zero version had some security issues and lots of bugs Andy. You probably already upgraded your new iphone eleven. I would presume Yup. iphone has got upgraded just this morning yeah. I updated mind during during show here. It doesn't take too long. Maybe twenty minutes well in fact. It's important I think to do that. We won't do the what's new. We've actually got a pretty pretty big. show off on Iowa's today of thirteen one and we talked talked about that well. Let's talk about the watch we also showed a little bit about the new watch. Os six which by the way everybody eventually beginning except for I think zero and series zero zero zero one but right now Zeros series three four and five will be getting it. Here's the this is kind of cool. The APP store is is right there on the watch so you can now download and install APPs from the watch which I think is really cool. We we have to be so close to who having a multi-platform version of of watch. Os It has to be the the is becoming so much like the like the ipod the iphone where it it is a state in and of itself that doesn't require necessarily an iphone that I hope we see an Android android compatible addition of the software by next year really that's an interesting ideas. You think they'll go cross platform. I think there's a lot of money over there and also it's. It's it's it's embarrassing. The state of WAIROA S it's exactly and again you're talking about a very very happy entry user and I have a couple of watch. Os Excuse me where where whatever they're calling we used to be entering watches and and they're and they're okay with what they are. They are wristwatches. They had that happened that they feel like wristwatches. That happened to have one or two sort of smartphone features tack attack into them whereas the Apple Watch. I've been wearing this for for for a whole day but also I've had a series one that I I still occasionally from time to time time. This feels like something that's taking advantage. I will have an actual computing platform on your wrist. That does something beyond just giving notifications again. They're doing nothing. It's it's it's. There's just no nothing there. There's a piece I think it was written. I forgot who who wrote it but last week a really just talking about all of the problems uh-huh and getting in the in in deciding that there might be a future for android where from the can't get developers on board to the can't even get hardware manufacturers to when they adding new features to Wairoa to to the operating system that can't even get manufacturers to say yes we will add features. I will let you make make and receive phone calls from the watch even though that a google just just finally come up with that feature it's just I've sort of gave up waiting last year and now I've I will be very very very serious about this. I'm not I'm not joking about this. I could I could switch to the IPHONE. I could not switch the IPHONE. The iphone eleven is very very good. I really early like I've never stopped loving iphones but the one if there if I do decide to switch from an android daily driver to an iphone it's going to be because I liked the apple. Watch so much that I know that this is the only way that I can get a watch that I really really like That's how bad the situation is so maybe I've just made the argument for why Apple would absolutely not want to create a great a of android version of a of of watch. Os but on the other hand there are a lot of people all over the world who have android phones from all kinds of manufacturers all of them will have two hundred six hundred dollars to spend on a watch that absolutely kicked the butt of kicked the butt of of Andrea android watch and also better markedly than Samsung's own gear watch. I think there's a lot of money on the table and now that they are they've put so many of the features of that month's required phone onto the watch itself. I really think that they're getting very very close to it. I don't have the new watch. What do y'all think of always on? Is that a is that a game changer yeah good yeah yeah I really I mean it's one of these things that you don't know that you're frustrated by it until you're frustrated. uh-huh I know I'm frustrated because I often have to flip this like three times to see the US yeah or or you flip it. It doesn't come on and then you flip it and you you start tapping on it so the great thing I mean when you look at a at a watch to see the time you just kind of expected to be there so you look up and and the time is there and you look when it's not then you're interrupted whatever it was you were doing whether you're talking to somebody buddy or you know whatever it is and then it becomes an actual item. I'd like a task that you have to do well all. I wanted to know what what time hiawassee it seems like a simple thing well now you can now. You don't even have to pick your your wrist APP. You can just sort of glance and it's there so I really like. I think it's it's much better and Dave didn't seem like you were that overwhelmed by. I know I I'm still the watch that I have that. I don't put on my wrist while I'm recording because it would distract me is still a zero g apple watch arrived on released a flight with the new features of watch a six especially the SP L. The sound pressure level. That's in there as soon as I said. Do you WANNA turn that on and I said absolutely hasn't gone off yet but my wife's got a newer watch than me and she's got watchos six with that in there and we were David Burns American Utopia and Boston last night on all my Kado as low and he you know at one point. Her Watch told her like we're above ninety decibels thirty minutes of exposure. It was like right because it wasn't that loud I am obsessed with protecting my hearing and I had earplugs with me but I didn't have a man and she showed me your watch because it was the first time she'd experienced and it was like Oh crap right and I put my air plugs in and so I I had already decided guided. I'm going to get you know one of the newer watches so just so I can have that feature and the always on it was. I decided I was buying it before. I knew that always on was in there but that's that's a I I agree. That's a game changer. It's so frustrating to have to like jerk around with your risk and tap and Click the pulsar watches from the eighties I used to have we'll watch. It could push it. At least I got eight seconds out of it sometimes with the Apple Watch you know I have. It and it's like Oh crap now. It's gone so that how was American Utopia. It was so amazing on Broadway. You saw you saw one of the last night's in Boston. Yeah ends on Saturday I think yeah my wife took me as an early birthday present last night so it's really really seeing oh totally worth seeing. It's what you see. There are the props that's it. It is just people on stage but these people are all amazing musicians and you know I mean I could go on for a long time about this. David Byrne is the way huge fan of burns it of course honking rights African style music where each part sort of fits into the hole in this very conceived way and the way he sort of orchestrated this whole thing is really I mean it's amazing and very well suited to his music but that's no great great surprise so yeah yeah really really fun and he's so personable. He's so comfortable being awkward like about him. You know what it's awkward. Yeah Yeah Yeah. He just is yeah. He's also grown into that big suit from the all right anything else. I WanNa get you out of here. Andy and you've got about ten more minutes so so let me let me let me take a break. 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My pick is a Mac Abbott called Mac update or they run a website to called MEK updated dot net but it's an APP that you run on your Mac it scours everything that you have love and then we'll not only tell you what apps have updates available but also will allow you to update them right there from within in the APP. Oh No it's my new favorite out. Of course I spend so much time keeping up to date now but there's so many things like you know. If you're a geek like me you wind up downloading stuff and you don't realize you need an update to an APP until you launch it to use it and then you don't WanNa way to update it because it's like well. No I'm just watching it and so this make sure I never run into that it. It's been going away by how well it works so much fun Yep so Mac update or is my pick. This has been around for a long time and I you know I've never I keep forgetting about it. I'm going to do good. I'm going to do it they. They made it a lot better this year so I had used it in the past and and it just didn't stick but now now it sticks so yeah it's it's been our new favourite on maquis cab to I mean it's like it is my favorite APP so great. Thank thank you welcome It's on the APP store download it right right from them. I think I think it can't be on the APP store right yeah. That's right yeah but just go to Matt's too good messes with your stuff. That's why a good way in a good way. Andy Nocco pick pick of the week I'm setting up this new iphone. Eleven for real deep soak testing is probably speaking to switch my Sim card for my android phone into the iphone so I can use as my primary for two which means that I'm trying to trading like a hotel room and trying to move into it as a home and issue number one was going going to be how do I get media on there without having to have it either in a in a cloud service or in an I tunes library. It's like I've got. I've got the I've got the I tunes library of stuff that I just normally commonly have on my laptop and then there's stuff that's well. I've also got. I've got a two hundred fifty six gigabyte phone phone here. I've got a phone. My Master Library is about one hundred twenty gigabytes. I would like to have all of my music available on my phone without having to create a hundred twenty gigabyte music library on my on my macbook sometimes I've got like movie files. I'd also like to put on there again without having to put a seven point one gigabyte a movie file that I recorded off my dvr into my laptop as part of the library so that's why I installed reactional documents by Riyadh our EA HD L. E. still don't know how to pronounce that I always say Riedel. You think it's real. I don't see say they say re. They built built like a book reading APP initially yeah that's exactly what I what I saw the the extra dietrich's into thinking that they really want me to think there's something about adult in their of spelled Reategui. Let's just put it that way yeah but what what what are you. Have you have a any sort of Iowa's device whether it's an ipad whether it's an iphone. This is a great app that will just simply let you copy files from your from your from any desktop into this into the personal storage area of this APP so as a result again I've got for for formal playlists and formal like music library stuff. I've got I've got maybe a couple dozen albums and tunes into the phone but I also have like every single album I own every single track known just copied into the phone via rattle addle which means that it's not quite as sophisticated as a regular music player but it's smart enough to know that Oh well I see that you've got a folder full of music files els. I'm now going to turn myself into a music player and play them in sequence of what's inside of the folder and also supports a lot more file formats than you would probably get through. I tune soon so that if you've got like a Web file if you've got some sort of an open some really great loss file format doesn't support yet it it will also play all that stuff in addition to solving the problem of I've got a budget documents and files and information files and PDF's. I just want to have access to wherever I go like the manuals to my camera the manuals do whatever gear I'm carrying with me. I just like the fact that it's a simple no fuss just open. I Tunes Click Open. I tunes go into the sink panel and drag it into remodels Riedel's. I've keep alternating real and just drag it into Riedel's documents copper are and it will just simply find its way onto that thing you can copy things from dropbox one of the best cheap cheap APP but my goodness it's super super super useful I've had it on the IPAD for a while and it's been a while since I've had it on an iphone but it's I think it's even more suport for us on the Su- plan this on the iphone and am and let you you go because I know you've got to get out there. You have one minute thirty seconds to evacuate the building l. I hope the boy scouts like having a light setup and a MAC books. I just got a the with my phone right now. Hey when are you going to be on W. G. B. H. Talking about I presume talking about the IPHONE probably Friday. I don't have time yet as usual we'll check out my twitter feed at at a not go h Tko for all such announcements. Thank you Andrew. Thanks guys cheers no idea how to use this but apple has released. Finally it's a our reality composer. I have no idea what I'm doing with this but I'm I can create create a horizontal vertical image or face. You want to augment faces using the Front Camera. You can don't know how to use it. Don't know anything about it but presumably you're smart enough to know so it's there it's free. It's finally out on the APP store. I think they were probably waiting for thirteen point one I I don't I don't know anything about it. Just play with it. Jammed our poll. Give me music. All all right. Here comes some music so the band that I am recommending this week is called Crow bought it. Cro be not so like crowe nuts. It's this is a just a classic hard rock band. That's it right there. Air and there's a song on their called burned and the first song of the album it is just fantastic and it's just it's just plain a hard rock that kind of stuff. I really like listening to the description on apple music sounding like a relic of error when fuzz drenched hard rock was delivered offered with Greasy Swagger and reckless abandon. Yeah baby cut their Huntsville. May maybe listen to that Jim dalrymple. We love you loop insight dot com. He is the man the beard the legend Jim. We'll see you soon okay all right rock and roll baby seal. Thanks Dave Hamilton Mac Observer dot comedy thing you WanNa play. You Got PODCASTS Galore. Dave yeah come. If you want answers to your apple questions come listen to Makika we answer everybody's question and and we've been doing doing it for a long time. Blogger that we have yeah keep on great thanks man thanks of course to Andy as well we do Mac break weekly every a Tuesday right after Iowa today that supposedly eleven. Am Pacific between eleven and noon. 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The Most Perfect Album: Episode 2

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The Most Perfect Album: Episode 2

"More perfect is supported by transfer wise cheaper way to send money internationally. The economists says, transfer wise takes a machete to the hefty fees banks charge, but don't take their word for more than four million. People are already saving sign up at transfer wise dot com slash perfect or download the app. More perfect is supported by capterra dot com. The free resource to help you find the software you need for your business. Get their new e book, the big book of free software for free at capterra dot com slash perfect. That's CAP t. e. r. r. a. dot com slash perfect. WNYC studios. Reading. Show I name is Briana morale. And when I first heard about this project, I was hanging out with my mom and Seattle, and I started talking about how I would approach. The idea of writing song about a constitutional amendment. We started talking about some different amendments and then started focusing on the fourth amendment. Started doing some research, and I ended up finding a legal term associated with the fourth amendment called fruit of the poisonous treat. This. I named my song after it. It means that evidence found by being searched illegally is deemed tainted evidence to not be used against someone in court. I had a realization that the fourth amendment is basically about having consent in the way you're treated by the government. And so my song references that by way of romantic consent. As a parent. The first lyrics I wrote for the song where when you take what you took. That was brianna Morella with her song. Fruit of the poisonous tree inspired by the fourth amendment gotta say, it's one of my favorites. I'm jaboomer on. This is more perfect season three. This season. We decided not just to make some podcast, you decide to put together an album of songs inspired by the amendments to the US constitution. There are twenty seven minutes. He's immense outline our rights as Americans. They show a country that is constantly evolving and changing. We reached out to a bunch of musicians and ask them to create a song inspired by one of these amendments, thirty, five different musicians responded because some amendments actually ended up with multiple songs and we have created twenty-seven. The most perfect album can hear the entire thing at the most perfect album dot org, most perfect album dot org. The entire thing is on that website along with all kinds of good information and some beautiful design. Albums. Also, I Spotify all the places here on the podcast. The more perfect team are telling stories about the amendments sort of audio liner notes to accompany the songs. And for this liner note producer Akari did some bundling took the fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, and eighth stuck them together. When you read the fourth through eighth amendments of the constitution, what you're really looking at according to professor, Burt newborn, who we heard an episode one is a story. You have absolutely perfect chronological history or quantum logical picture. It's a story about how the constitution is supposed to protect people when they come face to face with the police perforce amendment deals with investigation, the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses papers and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated the fifth amendment with them deals with interrogation. Shelby compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself for sixth amendment, all criminal prosecutions and seventh amendment suits at common law, both deal with adjudication, accused chilling joy, the right to a speedy and public trial, an impartial jury, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defence and the eighth amendment deals with punishment. Excessive bail shall not be required nor excessive fines imposed no cruel and unusual punishments inflicted. It's a seamless story of the law enforcement process and the creation of protections at each stage in the process. So you can't investigate without probable cause a warrant. You can't interrogate by making somebody incriminate themselves. You can't adjudicate without giving somebody to process on a lawyer, and you can't punish in a way that's cruel and unusual. No other Bill of rights anywhere has this kind of organized and thoughtfully developed, said of protections. But we know that so often these amendments don't work the way that they're supposed to. Could you just tell me your name and how old you are Christopher? Scott, I'm forty seven years of age. How many years ago now was it that you got arrested? Light, twenty, three years ago, something like that. It was able to seventeenth nineteen ninety seven. Back in nineteen. Ninety-seven Christopher is twenty six years old. He lives in Dallas. He has a girlfriend and two kids, and he works in the produce department at the local grocery store, just everyday life of every person wanted having employment being independent and being able to support your family. One night he's at his friend, clods house. Klaus hymns caught. Claud was struggling with drug addiction and he didn't wanna be alone. So he called up Christopher. Christopher came over and he ends up taking clot out on a drive around the block, Claude make about three or four blocks around corner, just talk it. And while they're doing that, I see cops everywhere. Certain blocks in speed now been jets. Disney is like licking peak. He says that because he in Claude are both black driving around late at night. Seeing all of these police officers around it made him nervous told client, I say, league. McCoy driveway going half, sit down for a minute when they leave. I'm gonna go home. So they go back to clouds house, get inside odd, sit on a catch. I'm watching TV next thing. You know. Foundry. It's Dallas police department. The cops say to him, we're outside your house. They won't the two guys that they saw getting out of the car. The come outside. I was like me what? Why they wound us. They hesitated at first. But Christopher says that they've actually got up to open the door before before we even had a chance to go out. The police officers, cops Romanian. I look, I got about seven to eight. Nine millimeters guns pointed in me fourth amendment search and seizure. Fourth is designed to protect your privacy, the right of the people to be secure in their persons houses papers and effects. I come into contact with a calm against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated. We we laid on grand for props in me pot about twenty twenty five minutes. Just mean they're a warrant shall issue, but upon probable cause a warrant, no supported by oath and affirmation and particularly describing the place to be searched and the persons or things to be seized winning check the Hass searched his car. I mean, aide told my car apart in they couldn't find anything. What are they doing? At this point? He said he had no idea what was going on in being base. Gordon me to a police car in can meet me, put me in handcuffs. Once I got into police car, they say, we take you downtown to the Cape is being crimes against person. At the police station. Christopher is taken in for questioning, but he'd take me to the interrogation room in. I'm St. and not being toe when I'm being show with wood on being questioned about a nut that fifth amendment grand jury, double jeopardy. Self-incrimination due process taking the fifth is designed to protect you when the comp has you in custody and is asking you questions. The fifth is the one that gives you the right to remain silent. The right to remain silent, remain silent out. Anything you say can be used against you in a court of law. Did they like rights and whatever the right to remain silent and all that. I didn't get my maranda rights read to me in -til. I left interrogation at some point that evening when they're at the station, the cab TME's of media lady is gonna come dentist. You Christopher is taken to this room and handcuffed to a bench next to this big window rea- big last window in a while. The lady straight up to the window in pointed at me and men. The lady concede him in police, our soc-. This is the guy that kid your husband. I couldn't hear it, but I read her lips. She said, yeah, that's him. Then I'm like, may I know she didn't just say what I thought she see it in. I go back in there. I'm not look, sir, whatever y'all saying idea I didn't do and they say, well, you know what? MRs Scott, we tied to be in which you're going gonna be short with cabinet murder. As a cabinet Murdo as an Qian, nobody. So I go in a restroom. I came crabby cow, I'm so scared to won't even come out my eyes. I literally paced myself as part of I ever could in it, hurt it. So right the it is real. Six women, the sixth, seventh minute, and the seventh aren't designed to protect you when they've decided to charge you in all criminal prosecutions the accused shell enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial by an impartial jury, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defence is for criminal cases. Seventh is for civil, but they both say that you get the right to a jury and a lawyer, nausea, I don't even know what cabinet murder meet. What does that mean? Where you lawyer say my lawyer Christopher is appointed a lawyer and that same day in his cell he meets with the guy I can tell by his body language, daddy feel like I was actually guilty. He say, but periodically Mecom in talk to you about to, you know the process in this day another. None of that never happened. Never happened. Christopher says he talked to the guy for maybe five minutes. I didn't see him anymore in Tiem Trabbie. Again, and so from starting from that first conversation that you have with him to all the way to the trial, how long were you in jail? Maybe. A couple of months. Oh. I Dave, the trial during jury selection, I'm seeing I'm Jewish Masud. I'm trying to look respectable in in trying to keep a, you know, a good face from Agoura freeing calcium. They're trying to show that I'm Steve strong even though I'm weak at this time. Now, the sixth amendment guarantees you a trial by jury of your peers, and what that means legally is always a for debate, but the spirit of it, the spirit of that word peers basically means that the jury should represent the the people that live around you. But at some point, Christopher looks over to the jury box. And he realizes that every black member of the jury pool has been dismissed head all white Jiri panel in our sawed, then I see now how did this help in our lifted my Turney I say, how did this happen in the most technical sense? The sixth amendment is present, but somehow it's still doesn't protect him lashing about four hours probably about four hours cabinet, moody canes, boy, our my deliberation mashed it for about. Thirty minutes. That's it. So they come back in a jig as European panel. Have you came up with your decision in jury form? A year's honor and a decision is Kilty Christmas Scott. You're guilty of capital murder. Just like that. Now years later, Christopher, Scott would be cleared of all of these charges. Unequivocally. So in that moment, these amendments, the fourth, fifth, six, they let him down, but there is this one moment at the trial where you could argue that that one amendment. Ever. So faintly rings out eighth amendment. The eighth says, once they've convicted you, they wanna punish you, how can they do it? Can they be cruel and unusual and the eighth amendment bars cruel and unusual punishments own? A Dane did I appreciated the most bit modules d for mink c. a. s. mean why shouldn't I seek the death penalty? In my own words was high. Could you kill an innocent man? In this moment, it almost feels like this spirit of the eighth amendment is what changes Christopher's faith. She said Mr. Scott. You just save your own life today. We're not gonna kill you, but we're gonna give captor life sandwich in our most. Thank. Because although he was about to go to prison for a crime that he didn't commit. He says that this sentence. It feels like mercy because I'm like, where you're not gonna keep 'em me. I fight for my freedom again. Christopher Scott, spent twelve years in prison for being exonerated in two thousand nine after someone else confessed to the crime. He since founded an organization called house of renewed hope which tries to help exonerate others who've been wrongfully convicted in the story of the events of that night. There are some places where Christopher Scott's account in the Dallas police departments differ. What we've presented here is largely based on Christopher's experiences. He tells it when we reached out to the Dallas PD for comment, they did not offer spots. In a minute More perfect is supported by capterra dot com. We're all bound to face unexpected hurdles at work. Don't let finding the right software be one of them download capterra's new book, the big book of free software for free at capterra dot com slash perfect capterra dot com is the resource to help you find the software you need for your business and it's absolutely free whether you're looking for a new project management tool recruiting software, or an Email marketing solution. Capterra's big book of free software has something for you. 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Join us for the United States of anxiety, gender power, and the midterm elections. A podcast from WNYC studios subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, this is more perfect. I'm Jan rod. We put together an album of songs for the season based on the twenty-seven amendments to the US constitution Sahra Cari just brought you some liner notes from amendments for through eight. And we started off the episode with the fourth amendment song from brianna Morella, but that leaves songs five through eight. We haven't talked about this yet. We haven't heard him. So I wanna play excerpts now. That one. Starting with this woman, I'm McKenzie. I play music under the name Torres. On what amendment did you choose to write about? I wrote about the fifth amendment amendment grand jury, double jeopardy. Self-incrimination due process taking the fifth amendment as I understand it. It's the one that protects a person from from no person Shelby subject for the same offense to be twice, put in jeopardy of life or land jeopardy, and from self-incrimination. But the last part nor shall private property be taken for public use without just compensation is is the one that I chose to focus on for the song. Takings that last part of the fifth amendment is often referred to just that work. It's what you always hear being debated when the government decides to seize private property for public good, like a park or more controversial for a high-rise MacKenzie chose to write about this part of the fifth amendment, connecting it to the story of dread Scott. That was Torres with a song about the fifth amendment onto the sixth which comes from aband- headed by guy that you may recognize from the movies. This is more from sons of Austria's father. Which is the sixth amendment, six amendment, right to speedy trial by jury witnesses council because I think reading through them, we recognized both its importance and how rarely in our times it was observed or adhere to. Use various examples in the song from current events to illustrate demonstrate the this, like many of the other amendments. As lost. It's meaning -application in this country. That's an excerpt from the six amendment song from as Miller and sons of an illustrated father, Brooklyn based trio onto the seventh. Hello. This is deal Hilton from nanna grill. I was excited to write a song at the seventh amendment. Seventh amendment jury trial in civil lawsuits because even though it's part of the Bill of rights, very few people know what it does. I can see this sign using analytical frame known as racial capitalism. Invented for. Frame. That was see seventh amendment song from Nanak resul a band based in Athens, Georgia, that included a couple members of a great experimental rock band from from my ehre neutral milk hotel remember them for the eighth amendment. We got a song from local NYC surf rock band named high waisted who were once apparently named the best party ban by g. q. magazine here is front woman, Jessica Lewis die, set it up. I chose to write a song about the eighth amendment because I thought it just so obviously Ardy sounded like song lyrics, excessive bail. Excessive fines punishments. High waisted take on the eighth springs out of the two most debated words in cruel and unusual. Those words contain a lot of stuff. The idea of mercy tucked in there, the idea of what just as punishment tuck in there. We, the people are supposed to be protected punishments that are pool and unusual, but those words are hard words. What is. What isn't usual? What if a punishment is full but not unusual, I was protective that. These are the kind of questions people ask about the death penalty, which is what Jessica says. The ban was thinking about when they wrote the song over seventeen thousand people have been executed, fallen, death-row, and thirty. Two states still have the death penalty, which is why I am just my mind is boggled with the idea that these inmates they're last bit of freedom is the freedom to choose how they're going to die. And I can't imagine being the captain of knowing soul and being forced to Desai's higher, going traveling. Faye. A wanted the song to have. Eerie hunting creepy sticks with you. Five like Cyrus this melody, and then building to this freak out with his ation than this. This amendment is so important. It involves so many people that have to carry way inferred of death. I think that's why was drawn to and why this song. Kind of a little bit different of sound for my van highway stood usually tend to right hop. This song just bored into writing this sort of. You jim. Taiwan with a song about the eighth amendment. Now, we only played excerpts of the songs here in the podcast. You can hear the whole thing's all the songs in their entirety. The most perfect album dot org, the most perfect album dot org. If you go there, there is a whole site which we worked really hard on which tells you not only all about these bands, but all about the amendments, what the words mean, how they've been used throughout history, we're hoping it's going to be really, really useful to people. So check out the most perfect album dot org help us spread the word. You can find the album itself twenty-seven the most perfect album on itunes, Spotify, anywhere you can download music more perfect is created by me jet. 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Triangulation 397: Brianna Wu

"Next on triangulation. I sit down with brianna Wu, and we cover a lot of ground that's up next on triangulation. Casts. You love from people you trust. This is. This is triangulation episode three hundred ninety seven recorded Friday may tempt twenty nineteen brianna Wu. This episode of triangulation is brought to you by capterra. Find the right tools to make an informed software decision for your business. Capterra is software selection simplified. Visit capterra's free website at capterra dot com slash triangulation. We have a survey for you that focuses on how you use collaborative software at work. It's brief it takes about six minutes. Does not collect any personal data? Please go to Twitter dot T O slash survey. Fourteen right now. Thank you. Hello. And welcome to triangulation. This is the show where we sit down with people who are intimately involved in the world of technology. The things that you, and I are so passionate about I'm Jason Howell. A love doing the show. I get to talk with amazing people each time, I'm on. And this time is obviously no different welcoming to the show brianna wou and kind of talking about who you are. And what you've done like, it's kind of all over the place your podcast, host of rocket fiber by five podcast. Of course. We are podcasters. So that's near and dear to my heart. Head of development. A giant space cats? Oh, gaming development house. And then of course, in in recent in the last few years and now democratic candidate for the US congress in Massachusetts eighth district. Welcome to the show. I'm so happy to be here. Thank you for having me on. I absolutely. It's great to get you on. And and your your your life right now must be really exciting. In a way that maybe five or even ten years ago. You never imagined. You would be in the position that you're in right now running for congress you now, it's when you are Kotor you don't go into this to like be a very public person. Like, I'm happiest days where I just get to be in my office like experimenting with the new API. So you're running for office. It's really required me to develop new parts of my personality before the show started. I was telling you about call time where you get a list of hundreds of people to call every single day. You just go through it. It's hundreds of new conversations. So yeah, it's it's definitely a switch. But I really see it as duty to this country. I think we have a lot of political problems right now. And we need people to understand technology set in policies. So, you know, our next election doesn't have hostile foreign nations coming in and influencing it. And when you're coming for your background, which will absolutely talk about all this stuff in more detail. But when you're coming from a let's see gaming background. And then now your life is so involved in the political side of of this nation like those are two very very different not not opposing forces. But they're definitely opposite ends of the spectrum. Are you still able to to kind of keep you keep your hands involved in in the the gaming side of things? But I mean doing a couple of hundred calls a day that honestly to me that sounds like you don't have time for anything else. Like, I don't know how you hundred calls in a single day. But you don't eat out. I would love to tell you that I could play alive video games. I don't. But I think it's worth going further back in my career. You know, I think I've a very unique background. I was adopted into a family in Hattiesburg Mississippi when I was a very young child in my family was. Very very political growing up. So you know, I spent a lifetime. I did I start up nineteen for a quarter million dollars. And then I actually was nineteen packed everything into my car, and I drove off to DC together job in politics. It just wasn't something. I liked that time. But it's something I'm returning to now at forty one. Yeah. And you know, you probably wouldn't have known then that it was setting the stage for something, you know, further down the line did your did your parents foster like a your interest in technology where did that come from your passion for technology? So this is I think this is interesting, and I'd love to get your take on this. As a parent. I had a really interesting childhood in the sense that Mississippi is the poorest state in America. And my father grew up in this really small town called de LA Mississippi, and it had more deaths per capita than any other. Fail due to World War Two. So if you go to de LA Mississippi today, it's just hollowed out there dead buildings everywhere. There's no economy. It's a lot of older like widows, frankly that go to church and kind of live in the small southern town my dad's saw that growing up and saw that he wasn't going to have a great life for himself. So he joined the navy. He got his medical degree. And he started up a women's health care clinic in Hattiesburg in the late eighties. He was very successful at that. So I came from a very privileged background in the poorest state in America. So what that looked like for me is you know, I would go talk to relatives. And it would be in a trailer park, and you know, we'd be out shooting guns in twenty twos. And then I come home, and my mom would be like building an eighty eight to help. My dad with his clinic as it was starting out in. Something my parents did that is really stood me in good stead through my career is anything I ever wanted to learn. They gave me the resources to learn it a really good story with this. When I was growing up the driving age in Mississippi. It was only fourteen years old, and I wanted a car, and my parents wouldn't pay to fix up a car, but they would give me all the money and the parts to fix it myself. So I developed kind of an aptitude for technology and mechanical engineering at a very young age. So that was something that carried through whether was if you want computer, go, build it yourself, if you wanna learn of US stereo in your car, go install it yourself. And there was a it was a an approach has been very helpful to me throughout my career. And this was par- partially. Also, kind of where your entrepeneurship spirit comes from. Right. Like, I think I read. That you know, when it comes to working on cars and computer modification like this was kind of your business if you want to call it that through high school. Yeah. Yeah. I was oh gosh. You know, I was a teenager of gushed the statute of limitations has run out. So I could tell you the story. That's what I was hoping for. But I was a teenager. I good. You know, my very first thing I ever did is it was helping people like put up ads CD players to their cars and that eventually exploded out. What about very first businesses at this is not a legal business was in the late nineties? I got a Di supplementation printer. And we've found a blockbuster that was going out of business, and I actually had a very profitable business of making fake ID's for people in my great. So yeah, we that was actually why Lord Photoshop ritually believe it or not. Wow, amazing that you could you could pull that off in. Hey, you're really good attic if you're making if you're doing multiples of these you only get better, right? Every time you do it. So that's what I've heard about making. ID's anyways could testify for that. Another thing I read, and I thought this is very interesting. So you know, I had a play station when I was younger at your parents by PlayStation, but they didn't just by PlayStation. They bought you one of the developing prototype versions of the PlayStation, which I remembered only after reading this the fat existed. How did they know to do that? Like, how do they know that that was the right device to buy for you? Oh, they didn't know any of that. This guy came to my parents. I was like look my birthday's coming up. I would like to understand three day development. Lord. This is the way our industry is going can I you help me by this very expensive thing for my birthday. And they did my parents, you know, they're not in the same political page as I am. And you know, it's it's interesting as you get older you see both the flaws of your parents more clearly, but also the things that they did. Well, and something I could never fault them for is. They they always believed in me. And it certainly served me very well through my career we've able to. Use that system and create some cool things. I mean, it really seems like that was the the beginning points for you know, all of your game development history now in recent years. Absolutely. You know, I remember Gary copy of regime Weaver back when gosh it was the nineties, and you rang MacIntosh g three cute out. There was in. This is really this is this is just a little bit political. But what really upsets me is now in twenty nineteen. I always assumed that the lack of access I had as a child to computer science. It was because I grew up in the poor state in America. And there just weren't like ways to learn computer science back, then it hurts me to be a political candidates day and to go towards schools and to see just how bereft our computer science education is. In a state like Massachusetts. Like, we're supposed to be the state of education. And you know, if you're in the richest Ariza Boston shore. But if you get south of the city is just not the same situation. We've gotta fix that. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, and now now more than ever technology is not just a luxury maybe back in the eighties. You could you could make that claim that like oh technology in the classroom. You know, giving giving kids exposure to that technology seemed I I would imagine then more like a luxury now, it's really just an assessing. And we're seeing more of this in classrooms, and that's a that's a great thing. But I mean, really the future is driven by technology. I mean, the president is driven by technology not having that access that ability age that that just that cuts off access to so many opportunities. Yeah. Absolutely. I don't know if I believe that every child in America should learn to code, but I do. Firmly believe every child in America that wants to learn to code that wants to learn video editing that wants to learn sound design. You don't we should have classrooms in the twenty first century that allow them to learn these things and Ed just I it just really shocks me. Help us not the case. It just seems obvious. Yeah. Absolutely. What no as far as your educational path. Like, speaking, speaking of education, like what what exactly drew you to political science. What drew you to kind of journalism? I mean feel like you're you're history is dotted with all of these things. And ultimately, they are the culmination where you are now by you've done, so many different things political science journalism. As is part of what you know the direction that you took when you were going to school what where was the draw their their the reason I originally pursued political sites as a minor is there was a girl I had a huge crush on. And she was ticket class. Couple local sites ninety nine and. That's why I took that lasted ritually. Oh, you don't just be an honest here. No, we came back. And I went to I have the very much the startup drop out of college path, you know, was trying to run a business. My very first startup came back and work to finish up that degree later. I was like, oh, I'm like ninety percent through a local sites degrees. You should think her. Thank you. You also dabbled in animation during college can that be found online is that. So we're out there. The somebody can be like like gosh. I hope not after one point. Okay. Mount shirts. The oh, it was terrible by very first people to to work with after-effects. So when you see the modern style that's not like drawing an entire sell all at once. You just see like a head or an arm interpolated between key frames? We were very much on the forefront of that. I'm very proud of that. Yeah. I mean, hey, take a look at early well early take a look at south park anytime pretty rudimentary what you could do with those very basic frames. This is the what was the pilot that you created like was there any sort of like like theme around it or stories storyline or anything like that. You know? I would say it was it was basically a college comic strip that. I did way back then it was terrible. I'm sure it'd be embarrassed about know, what autumn proud of is throughout my career. I've seen something and I've never been afraid to jump in. And learn things as I go, you know, with my with my very first podcast, which was isometric. You know, I'd never done a podcast before. And I kind of had a plan mapped out to go meet, Dan Benjamin and make sure a guy copy of the pilot and to know the key figures in that field and eat out just got up. There. We mid at happen in is just been a part of my personality that I very proud of if that makes sense absolutely absolutely now. The iphone comes around. So you kind of reading up on things the iphone comes around. And this was a point at this point. You've you've been involved in political fundraising you've been a journalist. And now the now here's the iphone eight UCF opportunity to possibly develop develop games for the iphone. Had you had you considered starting your own company at this point or or was this just really like, hey, let's I've got an idea. Let's see what we can do with this. So just back up a bit. I had gotten married, you know, I'm a bisexual woman. So I'd had boyfriends and girlfriends, and you know, I got married in casually year was set two thousand eight and my husband. He got job in Boston. So we've found ourselves here in our was really looking for. Meaning it what I was going to be doing next. I certainly didn't just want to be my husband's wife. Right. And I had. Been upset since nineteen eighty five about the lack of women that got to be the heroes in video games. I mean, really think back to those early any escapes and think about how many women you got to play in for those games, something I think is so important Super Mario to came out in the United States believe those nineteen eighty-seven, and I really this is a game where you can finally play as a woman as the protagonist. And I was like finally the video game industry understand says were not going to make this mistake anymore going forward. And of course, it was you know, twenty years before there'd be another main series. Mario game where he could play as prince's speech. So I been upset about this for literally thirty years. So I said to myself, you know, when you complain about this and gamer circle. Yes. You're like why are why don't women ever get to be the heroes? They're like WI fi don't like that go make your own game. So I did fair enough to Shay take. That is this about the time that you created revolution. Sixty of it is. Yeah. So I saw the unreal demo for the original ipad. And I know if you look at this today, it's not a stunning to like play epic citadel. But you gotta understand. This was I pad one apple did not have any kind of API for three d it was just a sprite kit back there if I'm remembering correctly, we didn't have seen kit. It was very very rudimentary tools within apples frameworks to do. Three. D so epic kind of came along and supplemented this with with releasing epoch citadel and Infinity blade. And I saw that in. I'm like, I'm looking at the. Next thirty years of computing. It's really interesting every single generation of computing technology tends to last about thirty years. The mainframe era lasted about thirty years. The desktop P C era that lasted about thirty years. And when I saw that on smartphone os, like this is where the game industry is going to be moving towards so you know, I raised money we made an MVP I hired a bunch of women to come work on my team. And we put out a game. I'm just tremendously proud of. It's not like this. You know in out purchase Leibman peo- s game. This is it's a fully three d that's the first version you're looking at right there. There's a special edition that came out later. It's a it's a really fully animated movie that's four hours long, and you have twenty eight endings if I remember correctly. Everything you're looking at right here. This is running on iphone four which was breathtaking at the time our characters you can see their hair animating. You can see their mouths moving. You can see facial expressions. There is no game in history at this point that had invested as much facial animation on the iphone as we had. Yeah. That's really something to look at and super impressive. I I love it. And I also love that, you know, of of some of the stuff that I've read you said, you you said that the games industry wasn't making games. Like, you said the that women are passionate about you wanted to kind of jump in there and do that. So maybe an, and I think this this kind of describes the direction that that your life, whether whether you knew was going to happen or not, you know, would suddenly kind of stumble into the game gate stuff eventually, but what what kind of games were did exist at that point. What how were they missing the the they're women market when? Women were making such a large percentage of the of the gaming market. Sure. So I would say on consoles if basically that market was not being seriously addressed on iphone attended to be just candy crush. So I know so many women that were really passionate about the mass effect trilogy. Like, I was so I very deliberately took two games took heavy rain, which is just a stunning game. PS three I cannot recommend it enough. And we deliberately mix that formula with mass effect in the choice of it. And what I wanted to do is. I went to create a game where you could play all the way through it. And even if you weren't had never played a video game before the you would be able to enjoy the story. I just feel so strongly the should not have to be comfortable with the, you know, PS four controller with sixteen buttons and dual joysticks or to. Roy story. I think that's a real false assumption. So we fought to with fought just hit every single day with the publishing people we are working with because we wanted to bring in it. When you sign up for play testing cohorts your day lewd with dudes in their twenties. And I won't be cleared. There's nothing wrong with being the dude in your twenties. We'll take your money. I'm proud that. So many view enjoyed our game. But that's not the only kind of gamer there is out there. And we fought very hard to make sure in our play testing that women were coming in older women were coming in people that never play the game before we're coming in. And I think more than anything else. I'm very proud that we designed a game that was that accessible. Yeah. And and do do you feel like do you feel like times now versus I mean, this was just what five five seven years. Ago right around the I'm trying to remember when the iphone four was. But I mean, so, you know, the technology time is compressed in strange ways and extends out in in in different ways. But do you think that's that's changed a lot between now? And you know, and then I mean, if this was a hard to come by games that were kind of made with women in mind. Are we still kind of locked in the mentality that that none of these games that are being created right now still aren't really tailoring to what women are actually looking for in games? So I gotta be honest with the this isn't something that was set while running GSA full-time, I think apple has really failed at leading this on the app store in the way that they should. And I think the venture capital community overall has really failed to find to like basically fund ideas by women founders the last stat I looked at is only two percent of things that get funded in silicon. Valley. Basically a woman CEO, even though women tend to overperform. So what we quickly found was a a structural inertia for both getting our game covered impress. And also in having apple take what we're doing. Seriously. I think it's very notable. And I want to stress this on love apple I respect apple. But if you go to a keynote, especially in the air, we were working at with them and say, hey, have any companies start women ever gotten to star? Like, basically talk at an apple keynote like you'll see women developers for dopey. But you know, what comes to games it's giant eagle mecca corporation or chair. And don't get me wrong. I love the stuff that they make. But I think it's a kind of unconscious bias that just keeps like it's almost like ABC camp for girls. Everybody likes the idea of. Women coding. But when it comes the the reality of supporting women in coding careers is just not there. Yeah. Yeah. Were you? Were you surprised at the reception of the reaction of the of the game when it was released and you sold as many as you did early on. And I mean, I feel like I feel like the press was was pretty pretty positive on the on the outcome of the game. And everything were you surprised or did you did, you know, as you working on it that you were making it? Well, I knew that we were doing something that would be received favorably by the people that reappointed to get one of the things I will never this is just being honest on the things that really hurt me about the game industry is we'll talk gamer gate Nabet, which was a very dark chapter of the game in straight. And I quickly became known as the woman from gamer gate, and when we came up with the with basically, a redone version of rep sixty that wasn't constrained by the iphone four's, you know, lack of memory and limited three d capabilities. We went. Back through and produced a game that was far more visually. Stunning. Just a better game overall. I'm very very proud of that I couldn't get a single game entity to cover the special edition and the special edition absolutely failed. And I remember talking to my friends in the press. I'm like, why will you take me seriously as a game developer, you sure? Covered the threats of my life. You were happy to write everyday updates about brianna the victim. Why won't you cover my professional work? And it it really hurt me to be honest with the absolutely that's, and that's like an uphill hub uphill battle that's hard to climb almost the kind of thing. That's like at least from what from what you're saying. At that point. The the story has been written and beyond that, even if your passion is my passion is still making games. And you know, but that can never be the story. Apparently, the story will. Always be this legacy of gamer Gable, which we will absolutely talk about whether whether you you no one wants to be in that position. But you didn't have a ch-. You really didn't have a choice you ended up in that position. And we're gonna we're gonna talk about that. And man, it's it's crazy. Crazy story to get into. I I respect you so much for being so resilient through all of this because you really were up against way more than anyone should be up against. 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Your specific experience. I thought maybe we'd touch a little bit on what led to this this movement kind of what you know years ago. This this thing called Gamera gates suddenly suddenly began suddenly it was on everybody's radar. What do you see is the foundation of the ideology that that drove gamer gay to something that had such a big impact? That's a really good question. I think the narrative that a lot of people have about gamer gate is it's a bunch of just, you know, trolls living in their mom's basement, or whatever I think it's much more basic than that. I think in I said, this is a lifelong gamer, I love games, I'm passionate about our industry, but there's something deeply broken in gamer culture. And you know, I I play in called final fantasy final fantasy collectible card game. And I was on a message board yesterday as a congressional candidate. Right. I'm still playing this game. And someone there is making a joke about the holocaust. And unlike either I don't think the holocaust is actually funny, and you just have this surge of people like, oh, how dare you censor free speech, and you know, all of those kinds of arguments. There's something fundamentally not empathetic about gamer culture in. I've asked myself for a long time where that comes from. And I think it's that four thirty years. Our industries picked a very specific kind of consumer and we've kind of made them the the center of the universe. And we've made a lot of games about you know, like I've probably killed millions of people in, you know, first person shooters, I've never played a game, really about empathy or social skills. And I think it's lead. To a very toxic culture. So I think that's kind of the thirty thousand foot view of where this came from more directly. You know by twenty fourteen women were organizing and trying to get in. More recognition in our careers. A lot of people have see Zoe Quinn as the start of gamer gate. I disagree. I think Anita Sarkisian and Samantha Allen being targeted was really the start of gamer Kate. So this was a woman that was a game journalist. She tweeted something about giant bomb yet again, not hiring women for certain position, and she was harassed so badly she actually ended up leaving the industry over it. That was what affected me enough to stand up to what I saw was happening, right? Yeah. You weren't. You were not kind of involved in in the kind of growing chaos that surrounded this gamer gate movement. This I don't know if this was before a game or gate was actually a terminology at the time. But your friends were in that kind of pulled you into it. And I I know as a podcast or myself. I've had my own kind of. Fears. Let's say of saying something on a show. You know, it's a very public thing that we do is podcasters. And oftentimes, we're we're talking about how we feel and and all that kind of stuff, but things can thank you can come out, and you know, occur strike someone differently than what we intended. Or maybe we're speaking from the heart, and you know, we're used to like keeping some things in because we don't want to rock the boat. But then it comes out and then okay, good. What are what are the ramifications of actually opening my heart and being one hundred percent authentic in this moment? But this is kind of what you experienced, right? You you were on a podcast, and you talked openly about about this at the time. Did you have any idea in doing that kind of what what kind of series of events this might start off for you like in the moment where you were you concerned about speaking. So openly about this on on such a public venue as a podcast. Well, I think I would answer that question this way for me. Let me let me back up a bit. And tell you the story about growing up in the deep south. I I will never forget this the stereotype about southerners sometimes upsets me because there's so many genuine goodhearted amazing people that I know in Mississippi, and I get angry about the stereotype sometime, but the the the the perception publicly that people have about racism can be very true. And I remember being eight years old at a Christmas dinner, and we are having some relatives over and when Jewish had moved onto our block and there were relatives at our house. And they started saying the most stomach churning antisemitic stuff, you could possibly imagine in as an eight year old are member looking at all the adults here. Smart warm-hearted, caring. People in our member asking myself. Why isn't anyone speaking up about this? And at the time, I thought it was just something was broken in the south. And as I got older, I learned that it's not it's a dark part of human nature. Unfortunately, when our moment comes to kind of stand up and do the right thing. Most people don't and just for whatever reason I built in the way where I couldn't feel good about the person. I am if I did that. So for me when this was happening to women in the field, including Samantha Allen, I found myself saying in I had this conversation with my husband if we sit down if we're silent if we just wait for this to blow for am. I gonna feel good about myself next year. Five years ten years now. And now answer is no. And I talked to my husband's if we keep speaking out against gamer gate. We will get death threats. This will affect about the VAR careers. Are you okay with this? My husband had my back. He was there with me all the way. So does man. Yeah. No powerful, and such a such a a spot on realization out the power of the situation in the moment right to out to and I'm proud props to you both for talking about this before before going into it because it is both of you that exists within this world. So, you know, knowing that you have the support of your husband to go down down this path and be exposed to what you were which is basically an an avalanche. And I imagine to a certain degree that that continues to this day. I hope that that's I I hope that it it. You know it stops completely. But I hope at least that it's is trailed off a little bit. How do you how do you when you're in the midst of that avalanche in in the midst of that chaos? How do you stay stay sane stay within, you know, you're you're you're right mind through that. Because I mean, it's very disillusioning to be stuck within that world of threats. And and all that. Well, I would said this you can't go through getting I just want to kind of if your viewers and listeners a little bit background. It wasn't the got death threats from gamer gate. It's that the harassment and threats. I go got were so serious. They based a law and order episode on it. It was really over the top people following me around at Pax saying they were going to murder me and broadcasting it in the law and order episode. There's a. Video of a man in a mask of that was based on a video that was sent to me of a guy that you put out this video of him holding a knife up to the camera and telling me, this is the last thing you feel tonight this going through your throat. It was it was. I mean, we got my college called me at one point. They're like we will let you know someone came here today. Impersonating you trying to get your academic records my entire medical history. It was really really intense harassment. What I would say is you can't go through that. And not have it deeply affect you. Absolutely. And it it did break me. I spent much of twenty fourteen twenty fifteen and twenty sixteen in their apy with PTSD specialist. This is something I've talked about openly. I don't even drink alcohol. I'm a complete teetotaler. But eventually, I was working with PTSD specialist. And she's like, you know, you need to look at a chemical a to help you get through this because we're not gonna get a further with talk therapy. I went to. I got medicinal marijuana license here, Massachusetts. I tried pot. Once I had not liked it. But as far as PTSD, it was a miracle for me getting my life back together. What I would find is my hands would shake sometimes when I would have flashbacks about the death threats, and I would take CBD oil, which is it doesn't get you high. It just calms your nervous system down. And that helped me get to a point where just didn't even affect me anymore. It was just amazing. Would you say, you know, now now you're in a position of running for congress? Would you say that that experience informed your your own policy for legalize marijuana and kind of the of marijuana? Well, of course, I mean, you know, it's interesting if you spend a lifetime with the marijuana community, they they kind of I don't have any issue is someone that wants to take it for recreational purposes. It's not. My thing I probably advise someone that was underage to let your brain developed first before experimenting with this of certainly see NFL people, but you know, adults we need to be able to make her choices. And I can't see a reason why this should be criminalized in the United States. And I mean, you know, props property for getting help with PTSD. I know especially with PTSD, you know, my dad has an experience PTSD from from the war. And sometimes it's not always easy for someone in that position. At least through my experience with my dad for them to realize that help it is. Okay. It's okay. To to reach out and get that help. I think sometimes there's there's there's shame of some sort attached to needing to reach out. Why why do people feel shameful for getting the help that they need when it comes to something like this from your? I think I think is a society we really stigmatize mental health issues and immense. Mental health is just that it's health. So it hurts me sometimes when I read about people at depression or PTSD rings -iety that aren't able to get the help that they need wants something. I believe very strongly is in America were very quick to take a pill to solve a problem. And what I would encourage anyone out. There struggling with this to do is it takes courage to go and get help. And if they're apy, and therapists, they can really help you live your best life. I've done a lot of things in my career. And I've certainly not done that alone. So I benefited from this, and anyone that's going to be on your side and have your best interests at heart. We're not gonna judge for this. We we love you as you are. We wanna see you be the best version of yourself. So I think that's an important message. Absolutely. Beautifully said. So have you found that it's gotten easier to now, you know, in a few years at least for move from from the height of this experience to talk about your gamer gate experience at this. To be honest. I'm trying to fight back tears right now. It's hard to talk about. But it's it's what I'm known for. And you know, I match Royce to stand up, and I do think that there's power in other people saying that example of someone who is not gonna sit down someone that's gonna fight for what she believes in. And that's a lot of why I decided to run for congress. But I learned during gamer gate is that when I stood up. I could make a difference. I could help people out, and you know, if you feel if you belong to different political party than I do that's fine. We could still be friends, but what I felt from the twenty six election is unable to stand up. And do what I believed was right? Yeah. And that's exactly right. Like this. This unfortunate experience has helped him mold you and push you into a direction where you can affect change. And I think actually, you know, you you never asked. Be put into this position. As far as the game agape stuff is concerned. But you were in some ways, I I hate to use the term the right person. But your personality was the right personality to go into it because you had the strength to be resilient through it and to and you know, what I mean into push back instead of instead of ending down in allowing it to kind of reduce you to a puddle you're able to stand up to that. And I think through that that you end up acting as a symbol of strength, especially for other women and for girls who might feel you might find themselves in a somewhat similar position where their power is being taken away from them. And you know, that you act as a role model for that. So I I know you didn't ask to be put there. But I know that I know that a lot of people look up to you for that. I know they do it's not really the way. I see myself. I kind of there's a great line. From Robert Heinlein to the moon is a harsh mistress where Manny talks about how he saw himself as just doing. What had to be done? That's always been the assault. This. I I hope this isn't too personal to share. But you know, I was in my twenties. I finally got the strength to come out to my parents, and my greatest wish mine'd higher life was that. I would keep their love when I dead in a didn't they disowned me instantly? Never saw them again in person after that day, they withdrew help for me in college and found myself homeless not long after that. There was a Honda Accord that I had that broke down years ago and it sat in my husband is yard. And I could not sell it because I lived in the car when I was homeless, and it was so terrifying. Made to think about losing that thing that kept me a lot. Five when you've gone through something like that. Gamer gape didn't really scare me. It affected me. But it didn't scare me standing up for that. So I don't know. I feel like that experience. I try to look at it. Instead of a why did this happen to me? What anchor a try to look at it has this is the strength. I got from surviving this experience. And wow on my lucky because a lot of other people don't survive that. Absolutely. Absolutely. So in a twenty fifteen interview for ink, you said most people just don't believe in fighting for things greater than themselves. Most people are are more self interested. Obviously, you do you believe fighting for things that are greater than yourself. That's obvious because you decided to run for congress so wha- at what point did you make that decision? What point were you like, you know, what I need to I need to kind of get in there in in the political realm and start this new chapter of my life. Well, it was the day after Donald Trump run ran. And I I know a lot of Donald Trump fans, probably watch your show in twit. So I don't want to you know, I don't way late people that believe in that. It's not my belief. But the way I felt on election night was so strongly that I needed to run and bring my viewpoint to congress. Even if you and I don't belong to the same political party. I think anyone watching your show would agree that we desperately need better tech leadership in Washington. It is I hate to use this word, but it's beyond up tripe. Now, it's embarrassing to the United States. So I really felt called to stand up and do what I could to stop things like hostile foreign nations affecting our elections. There's a story that came out recently that Russia penetrated fifty out of fifty states in this country in our election rolls there. So. This is something that's very personal to me. And I felt called to do what I could turn that around. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. And once again, you're putting yourself into a very vulnerable position vulnerability in highly public position how how is this different from what you had just encountered. You know, the previous couple of years. I mean politics. Strangely, politics and gamer gate in some ways can be very similar, right? Like, just the the the kind of energy behind the I'm right? You're wrong. Perspective can be very similar. How is this different? So this is a really insightful question in a answered into parts. The the first of it. I would say is. The I still get death threats to this day talked to the FBI just this week about very very serious threat is just part of the job. But what are think is interesting is I didn't ask to be targeted by gamer gate. So when this happens in running for office. It doesn't affect me in the same way. If that makes sense I made a choice to run for office. I got the forms from the secretary of state. I filed the paperwork with the FCC. I am making choice to be here. And as a part of that there's a certain amount of scrutiny that I signed up for. So just for whatever reason it affects me in a different way. Like, I feel like this is something I'm choosing to do if that makes sense. So into a certain extent, like if somebody be I get called every name in the book every day. And it's just like this is much. All right. So but the second part of this. I would say in this is this is really getting real with you here. What of the biggest lessons? I have learned in running for office is warrior brianna Wu. Got me really far through my career yet warrior brianna Wu when I couldn't figure out a tech problem for my game studio, and I need to go to bat with epoch to get an API updated. So our feature would work. That's something served me, very well warrior brianna like talking about women's rights serve me, very well during gamer Kate what I've learned being a politician is warrior brianna Wu doesn't work, and there are parts of myself that have really grown through this process. I think are some of the best parts of myself every day, you're out there. And you're talking to people. They're completely unlike. Maybe their union workers on the electrical grid or their people of color living in a a school district. That's just as underfunded his mind was growing up, and what I find this job has leveled up, my empathy, and my listening and my ability to like find parts of myself in other people if that makes sense Steve. And the thing I can't figure out about politics is why so many people that do this job end up being such terrible people because I feel like it's made me a much better person. If that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. That's a really great question. Because I can't imagine being exposed to the opportunity of talking and connecting and understanding stories that cover the wide gamut of possibilities throughout the United States. Just as one example, you're right. That's like honing. Your your sense of of empathy being being able to kind of learn through them, you know, make that I contact. I'm learn their stories, and and be able to kind of integrate that with yourself. It's hard to think of that numbing at some point. Which is kind of where my mind goes when you explain that that someone could enter into politics, maybe with the right frame of mind, but twenty thirty forty years down the line. It's just that thing you do. And now, you know, these competing these competing ill factors in your life. Like your own success begins to kind of overtake your perception of of empathy around the people who you are actually employed to serve right? And you know, it's I maybe this is just me. But like I didn't get involved in gamer gate to fight for myself. It was always about the way my colleagues are being treated. I think that was why was particularly effective at what I did in that same way. He'll when you talk to people in your running for office. They tell you the most heartbreaking stories about trying to get healthcare. I knew nothing about disability court before getting running for office. And you learn about these areas of policy that are fundamentally broken in people tell you their stories, and they are trusting you. They are trusting you to do the right thing. And some of the most touching moments I've had in doing this. It's not, you know, when when makes a good living, and they give you a max donation, I love that in that's a huge sense of trust. But when a schoolteacher that has to basically use her own money to get pencils when you're hearing her story about healthcare. And she writes, you a check for a hundred dollars that is a huge amount of trust that she's putting in you. If that makes sense. So so I guess I would say if I ever get to the point where I lose this part of. I self Dubya favor about me out. So I am absolutely not saying that you'd ever get there. And I'm not saying that every politician does it happens to a lot of a lot seems to anyways. Yeah. Absolutely. You said early on that many women would run and lose in the election that that just passed, but that they should keep running because odds increase the next time that they run do you. Do you see the build up to that? Do you see that kind of happening right now is that what we're gearing up to to to see in our next election. Yeah. So just to give your listeners a little bit background Iran in two thousand eighteen I did amazingly. Well for first time candidate I got over seventeen thousand votes, which is great for a small scrappy campaign filled with people that had not worked in politics before. I'm very proud of that. And but we lost in. I'd always said that we were going to run twice. I'm looked at it as an. Engineer before I started. I was like the odds of a first time candidate running for federal office in winning or less than four percent. That's not good at. I knew that. If he ran again, your odds skyrocketed. So I was always planning to run twice. What I have found is so many women and even men that I know that ran for office and lost. It was so heartbreaking for them that. They just quit. Just really wonderful candidates are not running again. And this is where I wonder if my background in the tech industry has been a good basis for politics because of the tech industry like if you write some code, it doesn't work like you expect that to happen. We love it ration-. It's not it's part of the job. So I think that kind of resiliency has really helped me not only that. But in Silicon Valley, you know, it's it's kind of part of part of the rule that they live by you fail until. You win. You know, that's not a reason to stop and the people that actually, you know, a lot of cases the people that actually make it incredibly far the ones that have you know, had a number of failures behind them. But you learn through that and you go through that I'm a much better candidate at this time around the first thing I did y lost on election night is did take that evening off with my husband. And then we started interviewing people the next day. Our interim campaign manager right now he has over twenty years of experience our finance director. He's a great guy with a digital team. With decades of experience. You know, the biggest lesson I learned set on engineering team you can hire someone that's never worked in that field before. And you can kind of learn new together that doesn't work in politics because in two years the elections already over. So you've got to hire people with experience. So if that's what we did. So a lot to look forward. To their people want to contribute to the campaign. Like, how do they do that? Do they go to your your site or what what can they do to get involved? Thanks Rosca question absolutely going to support brianna support brianna, that's our fundraising site. If you want to learn more about my positions, you know, please go to bradtha way for congress dot com. There's a funny story about that website gamer gate got that website before I could the first time around, and I just sat there refreshing the page constantly on the day because they only did it for one year, and I managed now that up in a cycle. And meanwhile, the other that's that's that you kept trying because you know, once again people see that that it's taken and they don't think to go back. I've definitely done that before. I'm like hang myself a calendar, reminder, refresh refresh get it so be. So you've been on the inside politics now. And I think from the outside of politics looking in it's easy for just a, you know, everyday person like myself or people watching listening to be somewhat disillusioned with what they see in politics. But you've been on the inside. Obviously you plan to continue if you could singlehandedly improve the way US politics work having that inside perspective. Is there one one thing that really stands out to you the like man this this needs improvement, and maybe it's not obvious to people outside of the scope. So Jason you and I are about the same age. Right. I'm forty forty four. Okay. So people our age we need to run for office. It's all our parents that are surfing right now. So I think. I I really been this people talked me all the time. They're like, they're disillusioned. They're they're frustrated, and I get it. The news is depressing. Every single freaking day. But what I see on the inside is I see so many people getting active running for office supporting people that are running for office getting involved there. So many people I know they've never worked in election before that are volunteering in my town to help count the ballots, and I think the one silver lining of the last few years in American politics has been it's been a real wake-up call for our generation for millennials and for gen Y that if we sit it out the worst people in the world are gonna make the decisions for us. So it's hard like running for office is kind of a terrible job. But we've got to do this. Because if we don't. Like, this is not going to be a country that works for most of us. Yeah. Absolutely. Before we before we kind of end and things this has been super inspirational to me, I really appreciate you being so open and candid, and I know some as I was writing some of these questions Carson, our producer. I asked if I was like is is brianna it'd be okay with the outfitting like some of these kind of more deeper kind of heartfelt, you know, vul- vulnerable questions. So I hope I didn't over overstep those boundaries. 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Triangulation 408: Andrew Maynard: Films from the Future

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Triangulation 408: Andrew Maynard: Films from the Future

"It's time for triangulation Jason. How I sit down with Andrew Maynard who's the author of the book the technology immorality of SCI FI movies? It's all about how sci-fi informs reality and vice versa up next on triangulation that casts you love from people you trust this is this is triangulation episode. Four H. recorded Friday August Second Twenty Nineteen Andrew Maynard the technology morality of SCI FI movies. This episode of Triangulation is brought to you by Capterra find find the right tools to make an informed software decision for Your Business Visit Capterra's free website at Capterra dot com slash triangulation. Its time for triangulation regulation. I'm Jason How was the show where I get the opportunity to sit down with people who are writing fascinating things about the world of technology and today's guest actually has written about just a couple of things that I love to talk about and love to watch movies right. I'm a big big movie Fan. <hes> science fiction of course how much good science fiction happening right now <hes> and then of course you know we we work at twit so all about technology and so it's it's Kinda like couple of my passions are colliding on today's episode author Andrew Maynard author of the book the technology immorality of SCI FI movies. He's is joining us today. Also the director of the risk innovation lab at Arizona State University and professor in the school for the future of innovation in society. Welcome to the show Andrew Andrew Great to be here is really fascinating reading through this book and learning like I will say I've seen probably about half the movies like just out of the box. They've seen maybe half of them. Some were better than others but most definitely yes we we can talk about that but <hes> but great but I definitely have new movies to add to my list and I love having the opportunity to take a look at films that I'm already familiar with and be able to kind take a second look at them through a different Lens. That really seems to be I. I'm assuming that's probably the you know the the reason that you wrote this book was to take a look at things that were that we're accustomed to and look at them a little bit differently it it certainly walls in pod yes and using that sort of mixture of media some of them that are very very well known some of them that are not well known to help people think differently about the future and tech Shor shor now <hes> before we kind of talk about the contents of the book and and <hes> definitely the themes that permeate throughout <hes> thought we could start off a little bit talking about your background leading up to this book. Obviously you work very very heavily in <hes> risk in the in the world of of Risk Analysis and that FEM- makes a big appearance throughout you know every page of the book doc talk a little bit about what led up to <hes> you writing this book goodness May I. It was a long convoluted history <hes> so I started life as a physicist in fraud I still I still consider myself a physicist. If you sort of look at Google scholar most of my publications and citations are in my physics work <hes> but for the last I guess for Fifteen fifteen twenty years or so I've been deeply involved with imaging tag but not only the technology itself asking questions about how do we actually get it right <hes> so a lot of that work with spent around nanotechnologies to work for the U._S.. Government and I was part of that huge initiative to promote nano-technology recession developments <hes> but more likely I've been really interested in areas ranging from synthetic biology and biotech mall generally all the way through waspishly intelligence elegance and the fundamental question has been <hes> there are some incredibly powerful technology developing but things could go ready badly wrong if we you don't think about what we're doing so then the question is how do we actually develop these technologies responsibly so we see those benefits without grating got a whole mess. That's sort of that sort of the long route to wear. I got with writing this book and I sort of I I started off saying I started life as a physicist. I I'm not quite sure what I am. These days I used to chair the ver- stopped out again. I used to the Environmental Health Sciences Department at University of Michigan where where I was involved is as much in toxicology as I was in physics so I seem to have a weird set of sort of skills in areas of expertise nowadays. That's that's awesome man then you're. You're kinda sounds like you're following it. Wherever tastes you at the end of the day is really feels like like your passion? <hes> and you know we'll talk about movies. I have end speaking passion. I had to imagine if you're writing a book that combines your history and your experience and expertise and risk with films probably safe to say that you're at least you know a big fan of films. <hes> you know a book like this doesn't just appeal someone who isn't Fond of cinema talk about a little bit about your love of movies and how that led to this so so actually I might love started within books actually am mm-hmm and science fiction. Although I guess like many people I was told at a young age that science fiction wasn't real literature so I'd sort of I started into it and then it went away from it and then sort of came back to it and then my interested movies really grew out of that <hes> and so these days I yeah I must confess. I'm an avid movie Wiltshire though I would always put books about movies <hes> but over the as I've really been intrigued with what move is doing <unk> do especially when they they look to the future and of course there's a lot of ready sort of craft stuff out there but what fascinates me as even the supposed to be crass stuff can actually provide insights. I just the sometimes taking US unexpectedly when we look at the future no kidding and you mentioned early on two thousand one space odyssey which one of my favorite baseball time science fiction or not is just an amazing film and how that kind of helped shape your view. Yes US yeah Sinai as I sort of saying book that was actually this is actually embarrassing to admit I was a teenager at the time and that was one of the earliest movies that I remember I really got into movies his quite late and as I describe eyewash when it was first broadcast by the BBC in the U._k.. So I didn't even get to sit in the cinema <hes> and it was one one of those evenings where I was desperate absolutely desperate to watch this movie of My parents had friends round aware and you had one T._v. and one brown room of the House so I was a real brat. It's an icy crested myself away in a corner this this room with my headphones on watching TV while we were entertaining guests but you could just sort of get a sense of how important this was to to me that I was willing to be such a Brat in order to actually see this piece yeah such an engaging film I finally saw it in the movie theater as well which it's a completely different experience it. It is in fact a cost last year was its fiftieth anniversary and I that was the first time I got the chance to see it actually at the Imax screen and it's utterly mind-blowing mind-blowing now two thousand one space Odyssey is mentioned in your book. It isn't one of the you know it doesn't it doesn't get a chapter the way a lot tried most of the other films in the book did but what he like what's your view on two thousand one and how that has informed the future and and what we're what we're heading waiting for so two thousand and one is a it's an interesting and it's challenging movie because at its heart it's looking at what it means to be human in this universe and what the evolution of humanity is so it's challenging in that respect and yet it's not a movie that is easy to create a narrative aren't around in terms of what I was focusing on the book <hes> it's also I quickly very weird of the end which makes it a little difficult to write about so once. It's a profound movie in a difficult one to write about which is why it ended up sort of being the entree into the book rather than being a focus of a whole chapter <hes> yeah that makes a lot of sense. The end is hello stranger but beautiful at the same time so then. How did you select these movies? You probably ended with a very large pool of movies from which to pick nick and I imagine this involved a lot of watching a lot of thinking and and all that kind of stuff what exactly is the connective tissue between offshore yet. No I have a list about a hundred movies in my or by family will tell you a couple of summers ago. It was a summer of movie watching <hes> so so I had some very very yes. It has a very specific criteria. I'm the big one is I wanted to tell a very specific story so the book is <hes> story about converging technologies <hes> so specifically looking at a journey through <hes> biotechnology and what we can do genetic engineering through <hes> artificial intelligence since <hes> on robotics three to what we can do with materials around us in that get into nanotechnology and then most importantly what happens when we merge infuse those different areas of tech innovation together so I was looking for a suite of move is that helped me tell that story about imaging taking those three areas and convergence <hes> then some some overarching themes so that that was the first thing that I was looking for and that meant that there was a very specific sub pool of films that allow me to tell that story but then I I had a couple of other criteria one is I'd this sounds very self. Serving I wanted move is that I enjoyed watching so and I I grow up on seventies and eighties ready dystopia science fiction movies and most the time actually that really tedious to watch so I really didn't want any tedious move is in this book. I wanted exciting or interesting. Sometimes mindless move is that I could sit down with a bucket of popcorn so to speak and just watch them and enjoy them but the other thing that was important to me was <hes> diversity of representations so I actually went through a process of specifically looking at gender representation in the movies which is really tough with of science fiction because typically. It's a bunch of white guys doing white guy type. Things and I really didn't want this to be another book about the future. <hes> there was about might white guys <hes> I didn't do as well as I wanted to there but as you begin to look through the movies you can begin to see <hes> probably more gender representations ads and than you would typically expect if you just put a bunch of science fiction vis together yeah yeah that's a good way to think about it <hes> <hes> and not not only diversity from the characters that are within but diversity from just the range of movies. There's some in here that at our Ho let's say Hollywood blockbusters right and then there are some in here that are definitely movies that I'm like. I don't know if I've ever heard of that one before. I think you have three categories. You have the big blockbusters that everybody's heard of you have one or two that they're outsiders that I think most people approaching eighteen the book will not be familiar with and then you have the move is that uttley bombed so I at least to their that ain't got about twenty percent on rotten tomatoes but they ah the narrative yes. What was the one that I had not? I think it was actually was it transcendence right. I was interested in this one and then when I looked it up rotten tomatoes yes it was a twenty percent. I was like Oh man. I know Yes yes. It was yeah brutal but it served its purpose. Well absolutely really okay okay <hes> and then as far as the movies that didn't make the cut and by the way we will talk about the movies that that did make the cut out and a whole lot of the themes and everything that intertwined around them but I'm also very fascinated with what didn't like it's almost like at some point. You know you you post a lot on medium. Maybe post the list on mediums. Everybody could see but what what are some that didn't make the cut that like almost made it in there. They wanted to find some way the sandwich in but he couldn't quite quite the two or three that I desperately. He wants to squeeze in <hes> blade runner belt surprising <hes> I desperately wanted to get that in actually I wanted to get in bladerunner twenty forty nine which I think is a a superior movie and I just couldn't make it work with the narrative <hes> another one was <hes> interestingly Gatica so so when people talk about outside of genetic technologies got is the movie that always comes up as epitomizing what could go wrong there and I actually ended up discarding that because it's a little long in the the tooth now compared to some of the other movies <hes> another one is the Matrix and other classic which didn't quite make it and then one that I really wants to get in in which I love was children of men. <hes> which I think is a past beautifully crafted movies but again. I just couldn't work out how to get it fit the narrative yeah yeah oh what a what a great movie if I were to write this book strange days may have made just from the perspective for whatever reason have always been. I'm fascinated with this idea of like reliving memories and then you know that movie introduces the black market aspect of of trading experiences and there was just something it's got as cheesy moments but I don't know how it would fit into the narrative but that was definitely one movie that came to mind <hes> that I was a big fan of so <hes> and then and then actually somewhat related at least to this show and talking about you know life imitating art which I think is a big concept here is like take this idea and I've asked myself this often is the idea of is it more common for science fiction to <hes> to create the future future or that or that art is a reflection of of the past or of the President or whatever and I interviewed Global I people study this and the sort of end up down that aisle as but but one thing I think is very clear anecdotally you hear a lot of these stories about people that had the ability to push technology forward who are inspired by science fiction weather. It's it's written on T._v.. or in movies <hes> and get a sense of that again is just anecdote but you just need to look at some of the stuff that Elon Musk is doing and he's being very upfront in saying that a lot of his ideas inspired with is what he reads on those imagine futures where a lightbulb goes off in his head and he thinks that's called be I think I could do that yeah yeah and he really really does believe that he can do that and we're GonNa talk about. Ill on a little bit later 'cause you. You wrote a very interesting piece on medium that ties into all this perfectly <hes> before. Are we get there. Let's take a break and thank the sponsor and then we can kind of dive into some of the themes here and maybe pick apart a few of the movies I want to pick apart every single one of them because we want people to read the book <hes> but there's some really great questions about risk about ethics <hes> foresight responsibility all these things as relates to new technology and that really is is kind of the overarching thesis of the Book Technology Morality of SCI FI movies. I Andrew Maynard is the author and he's joining me here today and I'm so psyched to have you on Andrew <hes> standby. I'M GONNA go ahead and thank our sponsor and then we'll talk about more. This episode of Triangulation is brought to you by Capterra. 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What do you think yeah I so I think the whole discussion around thatched he has gone a little bit blown out of context and it's a bit too much of a buzzword these days so a couple of confessions from from my side at one is even though most of my work evolves risk I find risk a little tedious <hes> and even even though I spend an awful lot of time talking about ethics I think that that conversation around ethics can sideline as from what is important and you see this with a lot of these companies so for instance on Google recently those who are about them putting an ethics board together for their research and the ball being disbanded in a week <hes> doesn't surprise that's me too much because I think they went about it the wrong way but I think a Lotta this talk around ethics <hes> deflects the conversation from questions around how'd we actually ensure that these technologies benefit people's lives in the US responsibly and successfully <hes> and I say that because you can get into some really weird conversations around ethics ethics <hes> that have no bearing on real life decisions sure absolutely well and becomes a challenge? I imagine I think I understand at least in and myself. Why ethics is so hard because really if given the chance we can come up with a million reasons or a million ways that things can go bad <hes> so is that a good enough reason to never move forward with any sort of innovation and he's progress yeah and of course it isn't <hes> I'd sign I I should clarify? I think it's incredibly important because ethics is sort of how we together. Decide on on what is right and what is proper within society it sort of says those boundaries the decisions we make but it's the first step we then go to work out how to operationalize that <hes> and as we do that you can actually talk about an ethics of not innovating of eighteen so if somewhere in the future there is the ability to resolve a challenge that we currently have and we don't take that opportunity you could make the argument that Ashley behaving unethically by not innovating there yeah yeah absolutely and you talk a little bit in the book about responsible innovation. What is that how is that executed yeah so so this whole idea of responsibility and innovation has has largely come out of Europe over the last few years but as gained international traction under very simply it's asking how do we innovate in ways that are going to benefit people's lives without causing unnecessary harm as simple as that <hes> and it's based raced on this this idea that if we just put the blink as on all the the blindfold on just innovate wildly the chances are it's going to be like driving blinds we get to end up sort of doing more harm than good so why not ape arise and have a look at what possibly could go wrong and stairway from that towards waltz likely go right? I have a but once again you know in in my mind I get I get confused with around the fact that like I could come up with a million reasons how long that feels like enough of a barrier. You know that that that's exactly it sort of one of the tricks hair is avoiding paralysis by analysis. You just sort of yeah you sit there and you put your Dow a hat on and you do you think about sort of so many things that go wrong that you just paralyzed <hes> to me that the trick is being smart here <hes> an understanding sort of how to identify and to find out route fullwood so you can actually get to the end go yeah yeah <hes> often in a conversation around ethics like this <hes> the term you know another buzzword regulation regulation ten up <hes> D. Do you feel like that's necessary to because I mean when when companies the size of facebook the size of Google when they're left to their own devices like I think publicly they like they like to make sure that everyone knows in air quotes that they're doing things ethically and responsibly move at the end of the day they're they're driven by their business and and <hes> by making money and so is regulation the better the better approach for something like that it it's part of the toolkits kitts regulation alone. I could never ensure the safety and the responsibility of pretty much anything but on the other hand if you don't have regulation nation it's it's a free for all so you're executive businesses. Even if you've got a business which is led by people want to do the right thing and most businesses are if there aren't any a hard stops there that are provided by regulation. It is incredibly difficult in a market economy for them to justify doing what's necessary so regulation plays an important role but it's Tony one out of many ways of helping people do the right thing and then and then we're where my mind goes also is just this idea that in the current state of of technology innovation and disruption and all this everything's moving at such a blinding pace like there is no slow right now. It's it's right. I feel like almost in the last couple of years. It's accelerated even more. It's like all right. We're doing all these things and like dizzying to think about the ramifications and what this leads to how how do you even try to keep up yeah so so the answer to my mind is agility we we learned to be agile and identifying where things are going right and where they're going wrong and and correcting costs whether that's on the development side or whether it's on the <hes> the regulators side <hes> and if we can do that at least we'll be able to see those Eddie warnings where things may be are heading for a sort of a cliff fall or something and we can pull back from that yeah yeah. <hes> you know one thing that we're hearing a lot about right now. Of course <hes> artificial intelligence big data those things intersect were sacked a lot. One of your movies is one that I'm sure most people that watch the interview have Seen Minority Report <hes> and Dad Really Kinda targets this idea idea of being able to use data. I mean I guess in the movie it's more about pre cogs but right but ultimately predicting criminal intent kind of feels was like to certain degree were moving towards that and if we in the United States are not explicitly moving towards that in this very moment there are other places around the world world where they've they've moved very briskly towards that. What are your thoughts on that yeah so I I really like minority report actually because even though it's it's basis this is on this sort of science fiction fantastical idea of genetically-modified twins who can predict murders in the future of the base of it? It's is this question of if we had the ability to to chance data and predict what people might do. What do we do with that information? <hes> as you say we're already seeing that I <hes> you've you've got companies like pollen working with police forces around the country the moment that a using that big data type approach to identify areas where they're likely to be crimes the types of people that are likely to commit crimes <hes> and it's it's challenging fascinating because on one hand this sounds great. We don't want to live in a society where there is a lot of crime we won't be able to work out where the problem sponsor and deal with them before they become problems so what's not to like about that until you start aw discriminating against people because of what some computer some machine decides that they might do and that raises huge issues of bias within the system absolutely absolutely and that's that's. I think the biggest fear 'cause you're right now. Everybody would probably agree that if we can make a safer society you know make make life safer for ourselves then that's that's a good thing but if it involves a computer making those decisions like the other thing that comes to mind is right now we've got driverless cars cars continuing to kind of build up and capability and at some point there will be the decision the explicit decision of how how many deaths are okay for a computer to your exact you know if a human is driving <hes> we're human so were fallible and there will be a number of deaths baths in driving just based on that but if there's a computer and there's a way you know to to perfect these things or two computers come at each other that computer then has to make the decision who's going to live in. Who's going to die and I don't know I I feel like there's there's an intersection of ideas there and I don't? I still don't know what the right answer is. Just feels wrong wrong to get the key. Give a computer or a robot that power right right and I I don't think there is a right answer and this is where you get to the squishing of ethics and ultimately blaze through what we decide is right or wrong as what we decide together is wrong as a society <hes> and this is where sort of <hes> social psychology login personal psychology comes in so you're exactly right for some reason we're okay with people killing other people to a certain extent as long as it's within certain bounds but but the evidence is the indications out. We're actually not okay with machines killing people even if they kill fewer people so there is a almost logicality you bet it isn't because just how psychology works but we think about machines differently to how we think about people these technologies developed. We gotta got to go through that that compensation society around what we actually think is appropriate in good here yeah absolutely <hes> you know another theme <music> <hes> that you talk about and specifically the movie transcendence which I have not seen we talked a little bit about it earlier <hes> ties into this idea of of convergence in Alma mater the films in here might focus on very specific things like <hes> you know there's a film that talks about kind of smart drugs and that sort of thing what is that limitless us and <hes> genetic engineering and in Jurassic Park but <hes> convergence of course is this idea that it's like all of these moving pieces all these moving parts happening and then suddenly they start to come together and that just makes things way more complicated right right right Yup I so this is a a large part of my work because to me it's what happens in the intersection between those trends that is truly fascinating and truly transformative and if you're looking <music> out this versus watts total make believe <hes> and and so this is the thing that I look at in that chapter on transcendence. How do you sort of find that dividing line between implausible implausible when you're talking about these transformative abilities yeah especially because the idea of convergence and all these technologies it it is obviously potentially dangerous? It's also very exciting. It's exciting to not know what the what the combined <hes> net effect could be a yeah yeah it does and this comes back to what I said about risk earlier. I I'm a scientist. I'm a tech Geek. I get really excited about what we can possibly do. I don't really want to be talking about the risks and downsides and the reality is if we don't take that sort of slutty Dow of you. A watts possibly might go wrong the chances are we're not actually going to realize that the power of what we could achieve yeah yeah how I mean I it's probably impossible to answer but how how do we he protect against convergence going haywire. It really feels like that's so far out of our grasp if we can't if we can't manage the the ethics and and risk of a single technology how do how can we ever hope to to manage the combination of them so I think the first step is is making sure that the people pulled either making decisions all potentially impacted by the technology or aware of what's happening and what the possibilities are so. We really cannot predict what's likely to happen but we can send size ourselves to things that are probably about idea things are probably needs a little bit more slowly or things that we need to prepare ourselves for <hes> and some of that actually is really simple so if you look at the difference between say a company that is so excited about the technology then not even having conversations nhs about what might possibly go wrong. They're not even entertaining. That'll building that into their decision making process the chances are they're going to be blindsided on the other hand. If you have a company company that even for a few minutes each week they take the time to start talking about things that applause be likely to go wrong and what does the company they're going to do due to head them off at the pass that then becomes transformative because you're going from absolutely nothing to at least doing something in small steps that could get you into good points yeah yeah. Do you see many examples of of companies creating these technologies that are actively considering the the dangers or the the the possible influence of convergence yeah so you. It's certainly a conversation in some companies. I would say quite candidly. I don't think that those conversations helpful place in in many any cases so again. If you go back to companies like Google <hes> or even deep mind that's developing artificial intelligence capabilities they they are deeply concerned about walk possibly go wrong if they developing credibly powerful or increasingly powerful artificial intelligence is <hes> which can then take into very difficult go places but they don't know how to frame those conversations so it gets back to this idea paralysis by analysis because they know quite sure which questions to ask or how to ask them. We'll have to respond respond to them. They ended up sort of creating these barriers that don't necessarily need to exist. There are very few instances of of companies that have taken a much more measured approach to this. It's actually something that we do here. Just as a sideline we're actually working with entrepreneurs and startups to help them understand how to ask relevant questions and take action without not being completely bogged down by those conversations yeah yeah that sounds like very important work <hes> and <hes> kind of raising their awareness around that <hes> and I also feel will and and I'm probably definitely guilty of this. It's easy to kind of focus on the potentially negative aspects right. Oh that that the doom and gloom boom of things but there are also you know very positive attributes of of everything that we're talking about do any examples come to mind as far as how conversions is actually helping and improving quality life today. Oh goodness May <hes> yes though it it's always very muddy <hes> <hes> but for instance if you look at what is happening in the Biomedical Sciences <hes> we're beginning to make breakthroughs on numerous fronts. I'm all the way from <hes> drug discovery three to understanding how the body works and how we can intervene in <hes> in it the dependent on multiple strands of tech innovation so <hes> for instance. If you're looking at a drug delivery we now beginning a drug development and delivery. We're now beginning to work with material science with nanotechnology so we cannot Gotcha get drugs to where they need to be. In the quantities in the form they need to be more efficiently. We using artificial intelligence to help us divide decide design those systems and actually she designed the therapeutics and then of course you've got the the biologics the chemicals in that to actually do that so that's an area where we're actually beginning to take sort sort of <hes> leaps and bounds by combining these different types of technology and of course the other example which I will get to we're seeing his neuroscience where we're beginning to be able to do things because that convergence between A._i.. And robotics and material science and neuroscience yeah well. Let's talk about neuroscience. What does the film remind me of the film that that focuses on this and <hes> why did you select them yeah so <hes> Ferenci through a couple of films this <hes> the there's limitless that looks at the drug side of things in terms of small drugs and then transcendence is the one the the begins to look at <hes> what happens happens when you few somebody's mind with a supercomputer <hes> and I bet that those were never a different Pepsi's the transcendence one <hes> was there because there's so much let's talk about at some point as being able to develop computers computing substrates <hes> that are so powerful that we could effectively upload the Human Mind Them I? It's it's actually something. I don't think it's possible because we're making some fundamental errors there but this is something that's driving a lot of <hes> innovators and entrepreneurs along that moment thinking that in ahead we we just have basic computer and if we can make a better computer we could transform what it means to be human <hes> interesting now so <hes> so let's see here I'm looking through the list and there's so many good films here. <hes> obviously Jurassic Park. Everybody's seen Jurassic Park Right. I I've I've got I've got to say actually I'd trust was made in nineteen ninety-three and I was I was blown away by how good it still is our very well crafted movie yeah well and and I I think for me what are the risks of going back to a film like that is okay do the special effects hold up and I remember the time special effects were as good as it gets. It's <hes> so I hope that they still hold up any check back out but <hes> no no one's thinking that we're going to bring <hes> dinosaurs back to life right. That's going to happen open no hope but people using similar technologies to try and bring back things like woolly mammoths. I'm not dinosaurs dinosaurs but they are an extinct species so you've you've now got a a an effort in Siberia called Pleistocene Park Pleistocene Park which is sort of a play on Jurassic Park where they're actually intending to bring back floor and foreigner from the Pleistocene period to mimic what it was like thirty thousand plus years ago so yes hang around these ideas and you've got this whole sort of area of de Extinction where people are using DNA to bring back. I animal species that no longer exist so so we will be bringing back dinosaurs. It's only a matter of time. Let's let's be also something that looks like a dinosaur. Maybe this is where it gets scary west. Somebody works out using the A._I.. System what the D._N._A. of a dinosaur might be like and we actually create a brand a new form of dinosaur using that right. I mean we're we're not very I mean that's that's perfectly within the the realm of possibility right DNA hacking thing <hes> I mean there's there's so many ways that we now know and are practicing the things that were science fiction not too long ago and have the the ability to actually create life right yeah so so there are huge limitations. They're still in the biggest limitation is if you take the code of D._N._A.. We really still don't understand the how it works. It's it's not a linear co light. We might find in a computer but in principle there's nothing to stop as cracking that code and the smarter our machines get our A._i.. Machines get the more likely they are to be able to help us crack that code or once we do you can effectively sort of typing to a computer what you would like an organism to look like and be e and some machine somewhere will construct the DNA code for that and squid down into reality and hey presto. You've got your twenty-first-century dinosaur. You've got your for animal printer. You're animal three D. Printer and who knows what else <hes> so you mentioned a I artificial intelligence. I'm I'm equally fascinated donated and terrified by artificial intelligence because I love I mean and I feel like it's just progressing so fast right. We're hearing these and reading these articles on research and and your deep fakes and all this stuff that seemed <hes> seemed like sci-fi even a couple of years ago and now suddenly not only is it possible but it's like ridiculously easy to do compared to any methods that we've had before it <hes> ex- <hes> MAC KUNA is one example of a I in in your list list but I'm sure it appears throughout because artificial intelligence rice has permeated so deeply talk a little bit about that and kind of where we're at where we are without Rachel Yeah so you you're exactly right. I have two or three movies starting with nineteen ninety-five ghost in the shell and then going up to x mackinac up <hes> an of course I couldn't not cover A._I.. Because cost as you say at the ads everywhere what fascinates me though is a gain is really hard to make the differentiation between what is plausible <music> versus what is make believe in artificial intelligence especially because I think what was saying is if you look at the technology on the my or underneath underneath underlying currents research. It's not that big of a leak from what we can do in the past we've just got sort of bigger and better in terms of the multilayered Aladdin neural nets we using and the data that we can put in but the Wentz transforming what we can achieve with that is really quite astounding so small change in the underlying technology technology huge massive changes in terms of the social impact so that that's what I begin to dig at <hes> but what fascinates me here is working hang out what is not likely to happen so for instance another movie that didn't make the book is <hes> the original Terminator Terminator two which would be a better wall which has this is this sort of very disturbing scenario sky net sort of becoming self aware and discovering that the one thing it really cannot stand is humans so it tries to get rid of them and this is the the classic dystopian scenario. It's a theme that we hear time and time and time again everybody's worried about the robots that come back and kill us and we are that's right and I saw that that really won't happen but there are other things. Actually the disturbed me more about where technology with is going so what I explode with chomped role for instance which is such a complex and interesting movie is what happens when machines get to understand how human human psyche works better than we do ourselves so they they can then manipulate so a machine then has a goal and it just sees humans as part of the cogs in the machine to achieve achieve that goal and we cannot resist it because with all biases logicality is <hes>. We're very easily manipulable manipulable. Yes yes indeed need <hes> so I'm not sure if you saw this news <hes> I think this just happened yesterday but Peter Thiel <hes> pretty pretty outspoken individual wrote an op Ed Ed for the New York Times where he's blasting Google in it he refers to artificial intelligence as military technology and basically says forget the sci-fi fantasy see that surrounds it would you would you agree with that. I don't know if I necessarily agree with that but I'm curious to hear what you think yeah so I I think you have to be broader than that sign and if you're looking at the application of technology <hes> clearly the huge offensive and defensive capabilities that <hes> and I would agree with him the I think we're being sidetracked with conversations about the fantasy fantastical side of artificial intelligence <hes> but at the same time I the ways we using a I <hes> both similtaneously improving society and eroding something that we think are important and that extends out the military uses but I didn't think you can sort would've teaser PA military versus Civil Yeah Yeah now you mentioned in in the book. You wrote <hes> that A._I.. Could <unk> someday lead to the end of humanity as we know it <hes> is that hyperbole. What might that look like? What do you think i? I'm trying to remember what the context <hes> was there because I I'm sure I put a caveat. I think it's pretty I mean I think it would be easy for anyone to say it could be that because because who the heck knows well that's right but I actually think we probably need to pull back from that which is wearing trying to remember. The context and part of the problem is <hes>. It's attention very hard to see a scenario where official intelligence becomes self-sustaining doesn't actually need humanity. I think it's easy to imagine a future where we give so much authority machines that our lives effectively controlled by machines manipulated by machines. I think it's also possible to imagine a future where <hes> we begin to work in partnership with machine sign. This is one of the more interesting scenarios the people i Max Technica <hes> a think around A._I.. Has has put woodfull was that maybe we can actually use the spots of A._I.. In collaboration to actually build a better well build a better government at nudge people all along the lines of doing the right thing more often get away from all this may be partisanship and actually have something smart as helping us live. A best possible lives yeah. Lou Live a better life. <hes> a couple of your chapters <hes> one one in particular especially. I'm thinking about climate change right now with live a better her life the day after tomorrow <hes> and like talk talk a Chance of of of topics here and I'm happy that climate change could make it in there so talk a little bit about that yeah so that was that was a challenging one because I felt I couldn't ride a book about technology in the future without including climate change <hes> but I had two challenges one is the already know very good climate change science fiction action movies out that no one that I felt sort of fit in and the second is it's such a big such a complex topic that I couldn't do it justice in John Chapter Attache so I ended up with a compromise and I actually scribe this this in the chapter where I use the day after tomorrow <hes> not because it's the the best climate change movie out there and fight it hasn't quite serious flaws but it opens up a conversation about how we think about climate change and what we as humans a doing to the planet and the climate imagine how we begin to navigate through that yeah yeah <hes> and then of course <hes> contact is in their great movie. It's been a while since I saw it so I don't know if it's one of those movies where I go back to it I would probably you go back and you think this is even better than I remember. I I love. I love that movie though quite interesting me when I was writing writing the book and I send the first draft my publisher they came back to me and say yeah this looks great. We have no idea why you contact in there and I'm not quite sure where the disconnect was because to me. That's one of the most important movies in the book okay so then explain why it's the most important I think when I think of contact I think of something that's outside of our control right Eh that there is an alien or entity outside of of the world as we know it and that becomes the story. Is that what you're talking about. Are you talking about some it. It isn't sign coastlands. What drives the story of contact along the idea? That's we we make contact with an alien intelligence. What I love of about the Navy though is that it explores the nature of science what it is to be a scientist and how that intersects with belief and on so too often I think we have this narrative around the being a disconnect between what you believe all what the truth is in science and there is no connection action between belief in science what contact does and what Carl Sagan does in his writing with that is to say actually the tour closer than you might imagine and being a scientist scientists is not being a cold calculating person but it's being driven by a deep belief the only difference between somebody who leads a faith-based life as a science base life life is in the faith based life? You accept that belief as truth in a science based life you try and show the evidence for that belief and I just love the fact that it captures that basis of belief in both those different strands in the movie into that to me that is really important when we're beginning to think about the future when beginning to think think about innovation I'm beginning to think about what it truly means to be human in the world that we're building and this is kind of the beauty of the book is that you know a movie like contact attacked guaranteed when I saw you know however many years ago not not watching it through that Lens but you read through the book read through kind of your your walk through the summary Marie of of the movie into kind of your urinalysis and breaking it down to all these points that we're talking about today and then he re examined the movie and and I'm sure he's with a through a different Lens and so yes I will definitely revisit contacting as you see how that inter-plays and how that changes <hes> that's great so we we mentioned it a little bit earlier mentioned Ilan Mosques you actually you post a lot on medium so anyone who's interested in the book should also find you on medium because you're putting a lot of things out <unk> out there both on on medium <hes> think it's the one zero one zero then you take platform as as well as my own area or medium yes yes yes and <hes> you actually posted not too long ago. I think it was just a couple of weeks ago or maybe even the last week on Elon Musk's new startup neuro link and this Anura link is just. It's definitely one of those technologies that when you hear it you're like okay this is this is the future but way sooner than I thought <hes> so maybe before we Kinda talk about your post talk a little bit about what the technology promises because it's total science fiction it. I'm certainly is so so the inspiration behind eurelling is a device vice that was popularized by science fiction writer in and banks <hes> a neural lace the idea that sometime in the future we'll be able to have this overlay <hes> Twad opera this electronic overlay that interfaces with every single neuron every single synapse <hes> so that we fast the expand what we're capable capable of doing because we now connected within the halls of Cyber Weld without brains and must thought Sony this is possible so he established near linked to begin to develop develop the first neural lace <hes> of course the long long way from serve achieve anything like that but what they have done is that they've made some really a very interesting breakthroughs in terms of how we can begin to interface within sort of specific clusters neurons within the brain and to do that in a way that I don't think anybody else is doing at the moment from what we know for what we've seen from Moscow I mean obviously he's a man with a lot of really big ideas and he's he's got the money to to Kinda back it up so he he makes promises that <hes> you know that many believe he can actually fulfil. Maybe some day we'll we'll go to Marson the whole thing but do you do you feel from what we know about Elon musk that he's cognizant or his team is cognizant about the ethical the risk aspects facts of technology or that. He's just kinda tumbling through I I think I think he's he's just like a little skull kid. That's the sort of pushing as hard as possible to do the the cool stuff that he can imagine <hes> I so so I should sort of temper that a little bit I've I've actually got a huge amount of respect for him. In terms of how he gives ahead <HES> and you see with some of his conversations or artificial intelligence he always he does think about the downside potential downsides of what he's doing <hes> but at the end of the day especially if you're looking at technologies like you're like it's all about the technology all about the capabilities and all about changing the paradigm around how we do things so for for instance with neural link when they were recruiting they had a big advert on their website up that said no neuroscience required and this is typical musk he he basically sort of says <hes> sort of this is your failed your stagnated. I'm going to bring some new thinking from people that have no idea sort of how you'll feel works but they can bring in that expertise expertise. That's going to transform things is what he did with Tesla Electric cars and he hopes it's going to happen now with with neural interfaces but what's driving that is is an excitement about what the technology can do a not so much thinking about <hes> where it might lead as yeah right right right <hes> and you actually make a I felt like a chilling point that I hadn't considered when it comes to the sort of <hes> technology in your article the idea that support almost like tech support <hes> for a computer interface better lasts forever because if it doesn't <hes> you know that support goes away. Maybe it's outdated. Maybe it's unsupported hardware at that point point. We're going to be running around with that stuff in our brains and what does that mean Yup Yup. I huge issue at I. It's one that I bring out in the book and we're already seeing this with this prosthetics <hes> <hes> the people having them that a life saving their life depends on them and yet they're owned by the company that made them and it's not regulate regularly they updated and maintained where does that leave you and as soon as you begin to put tens of thousands of probes into your head and stick a chip on the outside of <hes> <hes> and somebody says either you have to pay a lot of money for the next upgrade or we're not going to maintain that <hes> that leaves you at a severe disadvantage only a severe disadvantage of like maybe you can't afford to do it but say you've lived with whatever the advanced capabilities that this gives you for ten years and and suddenly for whatever million millions of possible reasons that you no longer can operate with that hardware in your head may made rights be removed moved or maybe it's unsupported or whatever now you've got to readjust to learning to live life without whatever that that expanded <hes> capability was and that's a debilitating I would imagine that that's that's exactly it yeah and all sorts of ferry deep questions that come up here and I think what is is happening with New Orleans faces in particular were pushing the boundaries there so it's it's one thing to put a sort of an I.. C. D. on your heart to make sure that it keeps on beating. That's just one device seems you got ten thousand probes. I'm going into your your CORTEX. That's ten thousand bits of stuff that either could go wrong or if you're we're gonNA pull them out. It's going to be deeply disruptive and I think we have no idea how we're going to navigate that yet yeah no and also another thing that kind of comes to mind then all this too and I think this is probably a big problem. Why maybe some people don't think about these things is when you when we start talking in these ways of like and what about about in the future when face doesn't work and you know we we're your lower down on on a two tiered society or whatever it kind of sounds ridiculous it kind of feels ridiculous fearless to have those conversations equally important but it does feel a little like we're writing science fiction as we go along as well it it does and it's really easy to sort of say yeah well? That's just fantasy. It'll never happen and so on and this is actually back to the nature of convergence. I part of the nature of convergence is that it's really clear that is never going to happen until it happens almost overnight flip <hes> and so that the challenge we've got his how do we have those conversations that prepares for the flip <hes> without just totally totally bogging down progress yeah all right so we're kind of rounding things out here a few questions just from a general perspective what what technology excites you the most today. What does the thing that you're most excited about? Oh goodness me. You had to pick one. That's ready tough one because <music> I buy. I'm a professional warriors A._C.. Down so I tried to find the positive here yeah now actually so I think every technology we're talking about. I I can see exciting things about it so I a couple of things that the radi intrigued me at the moment <hes> one is gene editing <hes> again this is sort of the the the the this idea that with gene editing techniques and when you combine them with a I would beginning to crack the code of DNA EH crackhead work out how to take those computer simulations and squared them down into real life real cells that actually excites me it deeply excuse me with what we can do but at the same time it excites me because what we're doing is we're seeing transition between evolutionary heritage where what what we are as defined by evolution and we're taking policy by the scruff of the neck and we're saying we're actually going to redesign you <hes> and fascinated to see where that takes us news yeah so that that that's one of the big ones which I watching ready closely and just to give you an example little example of that <hes> piece of work we're doing at the moment is actually looking at the challenges and opportunities of gene editing in sports <hes> so one of the challenges here is I- geneticists will tell you that you can't that define Hausa recode traits such as strength and intelligence and stuff like that but that's not gonNA stop anybody that wants to create the the next generation nation of master athletes so you can imagine that some labs somewhere in China say someone is working with with families or will be very shortly to work out how to program. I'm their offspring so that they become master super-athletes in twenty years time <hes> and that's going to completely change how we think about athletics and Doping Ping unspoiled because of what able to do with gene editing. I mean and not just that if we're if we're creating let's say physically superior beings it you don't with with major physical attributes and capabilities that are beyond the normal human. I mean that creates an inequity in a lot of other facets and not just sports sports. It absolutely does now. The one saving grace is because we really don't know what we doing. The chances are it will be very hard to just program in those traits on the other hand hands because people are going to be trying to do this could be a lot of collateral damage on the way as try. Oh I'm sure I'm sure about that. <hes> finally <hes> you've a you've studied and written about good science fiction <hes> win. We be writing your own Sifi script. Oh now that's an interesting question. I done a lot of analysis else's here. You're probably right movie so it's it's gender the moment but yet if anybody's interested in a contract <hes> yes. I'm sorry that I put that on your lap but I'd be very curious to know what you came up with. It would be like a Frankenstein film of all these all these traits into one amazing scifi movie. I I have all the faith in the world. <hes> Andrew Maynard is the author of the technology amorality of SCI FI movies movies. <hes> definitely worth checking out you can you of course you can find it in book form. You can also listen to it on audibles very good <hes> in audio book form and it's GonNa give you a new perspective on some site movies that you've either never seen or that. You've loved <hes> that you've seen you'll see them through different eyes Andrew. Thank you so much for coming on talk talk with me today. I really pleasure thank you. 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Triangulation 406: Bram Cohen: Chia Network

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Triangulation 406: Bram Cohen: Chia Network

"Coming up I sit down with Bram Cohen the founder and C._E._O.. Of Chia network it's all about Crypto next on triangulation that casts you love from people you trust this is this is triangulation episode. Four hundred six recorded Friday July twelve twenty nineteen Bram Cohen Chia Network. This episode of Triangulation is brought to you by Capterra find the right tools to make an informed software decision for Your Business Visit Capterra's free website at Capterra dot com slash triangulation and by ziprecruiter hiring is challenging but there's one place you can go were hiring is simple and smart that place is ziprecruiter were growing businesses connect to qualify candidates. Try It for free at Ziprecruiter DOT COM slash triangulation. Hello everyone and welcome to triangulation Jason Howell the show or I get the chance to sit down with people in the technology industry often big names people people that have created technologies that you might even use on a daily basis basis joining me today. I'm super thrilled to welcome to the show. Bram Cohen <hes> founder of course inventor of bittorrent but also more recently in the last couple of years founder and C._E._o.. Of Network how're you doing Brian. I'm good good to be. It's great to have you here. I should <hes> should point out this is not your first time on triangulation first time in a while yeah first time in a while it was back in two thousand twelve February sixteenth anyone who wants to kind of go back in time and and see a little bit more about your your background around with bittorrent can do that triangulation number forty February sixteenth twenty twelve year on with Lille port and Tom Merritt to talk all about bittorrent. which was your your big thing at that point in time and of course things have shifted a little bit for you in the last couple of years? I'm sure you know your plans and preparation leading up to your shift into Chia started before that but you know we're here to talk basically moving from one bit to to another sexually from bittorrent bitcoin what between the two kind of businesses those two main technology technology businesses and and efforts that you've spent the last fifteen years of your life life working on what would you say is the main the common thread between those things the things that really get you excited between those two. Oh all the common thread is their network protocol stuff yeah so I'm an engineer engineer and that's my specialty and you're passionate about it. Yeah <hes> and that's that's obvious with the work that you do you. You have a brilliant mind for this stuff because you know sometimes people take a look at these things we take it for granted rights something like bittorrent or even or even bitcoin bitcoin. We're kind of talking about this earlier with Crypto. It's easy to take these things for granted merely because as an everyday kind of net user someone online that that hears about these things we don't understand the the mechanics that go on behind the scenes needs to make these hyper complex systems actually operate. You're creating systems to a certain degree. That takes a certain kind of mind yeah oh I I. I love working on it. It's it's I like challenging problems with real like tangible results once you get something working and it's really a field which is young enough that you can come up with an idea you can say well. Here's this analysis of how to think about this thing thing. That really implies that this thing that hasn't done yet should be possible and if I just do this engineering work if I slogged through all the work to get there. I'll really have something new and that's is what makes it so fabulous that you can really manage to pull that off yeah yeah no kidding now Chia of course last couple of years. We're going to talk all about the the business itself and what you're hoping to do for Crypto upto yes the green the green paper yeah the white paper what you're calling it a green paper that was released a couple of days ago has been more or less challenging than creating and nurturing what you did with with bittorrent back on <hes> cheer is a much bigger piece of tack <hes> than bittorrent so bittorrent to get it up and running took me you know a year and a half working by myself <hes> and she she <hes> we've been working on it for two years now with a whole team of people and it's got a whole bunch of moving parts <hes> and we have adviser advisers who are pretty serious academic cartographers who have been working with it's just a much bigger and more ambitious project in terms of <hes> what we're trying to pull off yeah yeah. Ambitious is definitely one great way to describe this. It really kind of seems to in my view stem. I'm from this idea that you know taking bitcoin as as one example bitcoin has a large ecological <hes> kind of toll on just managing bitcoin behind the scenes and Chia seems to to aim to hope to address that a little bit and you know it has kind of like a green perspective yeah yes so one of the goals of Chia is being much less wasteful greener. <hes> than Bitcoin is <hes> that doesn't in terms of bitcoins day to day functioning <hes> that doesn't cause a problem for bitcoins running. It's it's gross in. It's bad for the world <hes> but it it doesn't make a the BITCOIN run badly although related to it is bitcoins whole point is that it's decentralized but it's not as decentralized as you'd really like it to be so <hes> I came up with this whole grand plan for for a new consensus algorithm that's much <hes> greener and more decentralized than the one in bitcoins and that's using space power you yes so bitcoin Bitcoin is based off this wonderful horrible idea. Bitcoin is a secure distributed database now. That sounds like an oxymoron. How can you have a secure distributed database? How can it be that if everyone just leaves and totally new people come in <hes> the database continues moving forward without interruption because don't you need like a quorum of people in order to keep doing things and <hes> the idea in Bitcoin is that you have this you have this blockchain that requires actual computational work to create you have <hes> the technical term is dead beefs but you have <hes> <hes> in order to make something that looks like a blockchain? There's work the actual electricity <hes> basically when you have a bitcoin mining operation all those computers burning all that electricity. They're not actually doing anything most of what they're doing accomplishes nothing what they are doing is they're printing lottery tickets right once in a while one of them prince a winning lottery ticket like once every couple of minutes somewhere on planet earth one of these machines prince of winning lottery ticket <hes> and then everything moves forward <hes> and <hes> what this accomplishes that you and I are just reading this database and we get into an argument about what is the current state of the database <hes> we can resolve this argument meant just by looking at the weight of our blockchain's and whichever one had more blood sweat and tears go into its creation is the winner <hes> and this allows for very rapid very reliable consensus <hes> on what the current state of this database basis and <hes> this is a really amazing idea. It really accomplishes the seemingly impossible task of making a secure distributed database. Now it has a reputation strategy of everything goes everywhere aware in order to make it possible to keep up has this limit of only really handling a few transactions per second and you have warehouses full of computers burning electricity doing nothing but that those caveats aside is really accomplishing something amazing <hes> and it's hard to figure out how to improve on this and people go go well. We'll just use a different mining algorithm which is different way of printing lottery tickets but those all kind of wind up being the same <hes> when you mess with it winds up happening is the way you mind bitcoin them where you might any crypto currency <hes> that's truly distributed <hes> that really does have a blockchain that boils down to you manufacturer custom hardware <hes> for doing your mining then you burn electricity with custom hardware <hes> to do your mining and that's what it all boils down to and you can if you really clever you can mess with the balanced between the electricity and the cost of the hardware <hes> you can make the costs of doing the design and fabrication of the hardware more or alas and usually people try and make it more and that turns out to be a bad idea because that's also a source of centralization. You don't want it to be that someone who spends a ridiculous. Ridiculous budget on designing better hardware now has much better hardware than anybody else and if anyone else wants to compete they have to sink so much money into it no one's going to do it and then you only have one vendor of the hardware by almost no matter how you play games with desks you're going to have waste directly in proportion to the amount of rewards that are being handed out by the system <hes> for doing this mining <hes> and that's very hard to get away from because you do fundamentally have this some some resources getting consumed in order to move the blockchain forward and if you don't then you can't have consensus come out of it and if you want to get around this threading the needle on us <hes> what you need to do to avoid is like well. Let's find some resource that people have already wasted money on that people have overprovisioned <hes> and make make it so that people can utilize that at no additional cost <hes> in order to do <hes> the mining or the equivalent of mining operation and <hes> I actually SA- Toshi who who created bitcoin <hes> he he fought or at least hoped that bitcoin would kind of be like this that the cost of bitcoin mining would mostly be these sunk cost of having bought <hes> C._p._U.'s and that the cost of electricity would be relatively small by comparison. It hasn't worked out that way at all custom. C._p._U.'s are like orders of magnitude better at mining than general purpose. Ones are custom chips orders of magnitude better at mining than general purpose views are and now amount time when no no no as soon as there was any custom hardware at all at obliterated at giant exactly limit yeah yeah and and then <hes> and then the the cost of the electricity are huge as well <hes> so you have these two big sources of centralization <hes> around who it is that's manufacturing the hardware and wear the cheap power is and so bitcoin a handful of entities could hijack all bitcoin if they wanted to and that's not a good thing <hes> so in terms of like where's the loophole here how can we I mean this is all like loopholes and loopholes as well. You can't have a security database but there's this loophole if you do this one thing involving companies like say. It's like we WANNA make it less wasteful so let's find the loophole in the loophole to a lot of the needle here but it turns out there's one resource that kind of works which has storage capacity right unlike C._p._U.'s <hes> storage is all the same thing bits bits. There's no like there aren't hard drives that are specialized for riders Smarter Heart. You have have space in on us as you can. Store been data and that's it. That's all you got <hes> so <hes> if you can figure out a way of <hes> some algorithm for proving thing that you've used space with <hes> where you can prove the amount of space that you've used and it doesn't require really much of any electricity to do that <hes> <hes> and can do that with very low latency <hes> because you can always do with highly and see because you can regenerate your work right <hes> then then maybe you can do something here <hes> and so this is called proof for space as a general concept and a few people have worked on it <hes> there's an academic project called spaceman which actually adviser on that is really important advisor to my company. He's he's my coauthor on our green paper. <hes> and there's a lot of just like very technical problems with getting this to work right <hes> you have this problem that you didn't make it cost anything to you. Intentionally made a not cost anything to do. These look ups so now you have these just grinding attacks. Someone can go oh well. I'm just going to generate ten thousand versions of the history and pick the one that works out best for me and now you're back to someone with more C._p._U.. Being able to get ahead you need something. You need to have a system where not only don't you need to to farm it but you can't you see puta. Farm and people are clever and C._p._S.. Can do a lot of things so it's a question of. How do you stop people from doing that? So will always be looking for the way yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so so you might have figured out a one point all right so but but there are computer science things you can do so I came up with this grand scheme of let's mix together. Proofs space improves time right because the proof of space can look stuff up at low latency in the way you show that it was done low latency. Is You pair it with a proof of time that comes after so the combination of those needs to take a while but it's not using a lot out of electricity. It's kind of like instead of everyone in parallel burning electricity until they come up with a winning lottery ticket. Everyone looks up in advance using the proof of space who's going to win in the end and then you sit around waiting for the proof of time to be done <hes> on that one sure and then that tells you the next block and you move forward from there <hes> so there's a lot of much more subtle technical things there and the green paper that we just released is really all about this. It's like how do you take proof of space <hes> and make a secure Nakamoto consensus out of it and the whole thing there is about while you're going to have proof of space and <hes> add impressive time or <hes> verify functions of the technical term for them and here the types of attacks you can have here's how you stitch everything together and how you do work difficulty resets and all that kind of stuff and it makes reference to these other two very mathematical primitives you need at this point which are the <hes> proof Nisa space in the process of time <hes> and so are green papers actually quite accessible and is kind of a fun. It has fun matheny. I is like an accessible thing you can work your way through <hes> and really motivates everything where are other materials are on the proof space and time themselves so we've had our video out for a while now we just finished our second video implementation competition right <hes> <hes> and we gave out over one hundred thousand dollars in the first one. We're going to give out a hundred thousand dollars for the second one as well <hes> not quite announcing the winners of that one yet <hes> but we also <hes> when we really SA- Green paper we along with it. <hes> released are proof of space construction <hes> that one's which is based off some pretty serious computer science research <hes> in a paper that was <hes> in Asia crept <hes> that <hes> that me and Crystal Co authors on and a and <hes> and this and the actual construction has a lot of the details that you need just beyond the core idea really fleshed out in it and we're doing another implementation competition for that one which is another hundred thousand dollars in prizes so I encourage urge everyone to please come look at this especially. If you're a programmer and you think you're smart <hes> <hes> that's open to the public and the winners will be selected by whoever's implementation runs best on our benchmark hardware so really very <hes> fair competition but <hes> the those two primitives have a lot of very very technical stuff hidden behind them but in the green paper it just says well we'll just assume that those are done just treat them as black boxes and then these other projects on these other things sure yeah so when you take the the the paradigm of Bittorrent Take C._P._U.. Throwing them just a bunch of you know just a bunch of high highly specific and <hes> you know directed C._p._U.'s at this particular particular purpose and obviously you know you're talking a lot about what that can do you know as far as fairness and and you know controlling who gets access to the BITCOIN WHO's able to to <hes> to mind these in the first place then you talk about the proof of space where it's using using hard drive space largely is there. Is there a <hes> kind of compare point of comparison to be made as far as like amount of space that one system has giving giving a leg up for or that particular system to fail to farm so here's how it works the amount of rewards you get for farming are exactly in proportion to the amount of space you dedicate towards this process okay and there's huge food quantities of over provision storage capacity in the world tens of billions of dollars a year spent on storage media total and a large fraction of that is underutilized at any given time. I'm an only a small fraction of that <hes> starts being put towards Chia farming <hes> than it will be a a money losing proposition two by storage media just for the sake of farming off of it <hes> <hes> and the other good thing about storage. Is this over provision stuff is spread over a large number of entities p people assume that like the cloud providers have it and they actually don't they have a lot of storage but you're using all that <hes> sometime of their customers have a fair amount that's under provisions that's underutilized <hes> but the cloud providers don't actually have access to an appears to be. There's a lot of different entities that have <hes>. <music> over provision storage <hes> and it spread out over a lot of them and it's not <hes> and it's not going to become more centralized just because you can farm off of it so it winds up being this nice decentralize thing with entities for for whom this is really gravy money. They're not trying to mess with an also because it doesn't really cost you anything to farm <hes> when the work difficulty shuffles around and it becomes an more space has become allocated to that enhance everyone is getting less rewards for the amount of space they have people aren't just going to unplug their stuff because they're now losing money off of it because they're not making money just less money than they were before where in Bitcoin when there's a work difficulty the adjustment it becomes unprofitable for some people just unplug right. What's the point of yeah which leads to a tendency towards centralization overtime these entities falling off the thing where <hes> I in a proof of space system people have very little reason to unplug unplug if they're just keep doing it yeah that makes a lot of sense <hes>? We're GONNA talk more about this. 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Reasons for someone like president trump to trump to be like <hes>. I'm I'm worried about this crypto stuff. You know there's so many ways I can go first. We'll talk about what <hes> the president said Yeah actually actually the president said a lot of things so I don't address everything he said sure <hes> but there was one thing he said there that was very wrong and one thing which might be kinda right so <hes> and a whole bunch of others that are in between but I wanNA address so the first thing. He said that was operating so the first thing he said that was just totally wrong. He said Bitcoin is not money. It's like no no that is absolutely not true at all. <hes> money is not our money. Money is whatever you use as money yeah all kinds of things throughout history from <hes> like seashells to a reams of tobacco go to all kinds of stuff has been used as money money as anything that you use as money. <hes> and Bitcoin is absolutely money now. A lot of the usage of money off of Bitcoin is is just speculation which okay sure you can do that. I'm not excited about speculation in general <hes> I'd really like it to be being used more as money for real in commerce happening that way and <hes> <hes> building a whole bunch of features for Chia that I think it may make it much better as money. We're building this whole system for <hes> supporting <hes> <hes> smart smart transactions on smart wallets <hes> to really a try to get around this problem or bitcoin kind of feels like you're carrying around giant wads of hundred dollar bills when you're transacting in it you talking about Sheila List is that right is the name of the language agent environment for it okay and <hes> in terms of the things that were enabling its features like a multi sags. You can say well the set of people needs to sign this or if I lose my keying material like the two with these three people can pull together and can recover my keying material from them <hes> <hes> which is a feature that people very much want also things like i. I want to have this wallet where there's my hot key that I keep and then there's a separate cold Turkey that's like super secure and cold storage and the rule is if I WANNA pull funds out of my wallet I ca- anytime I try and pull them out they got Kinda esque road for a while <hes> and during that period they can be called aw back with this key. That's kept in cold storage. If I get hacked I can see that there's been an attempt at an authorized withdrawal and go call those funds back. <hes> another thing is having a wallet that can only pay out money to authorize pays. Hey this is like a big deal in <hes> businesses that are doing things where the person sending out the money is not <hes> the person who's like in charge and you don't want to either accidentally send to the wrong person or have you know low level person embezzling money so so the targets need to be <hes> pre approved and supporting that <hes> you also want to do <hes> net settlement payment channels because those allow payments to go through immediately and allow more scaling of the things a whole. That's a very important thing that <hes> like the my friends at lightning network are working on and we're going to be building a reference implementation of that kind of functionality on top of Chia <hes> and she is programming. Environment is better for those sorts of things so this is the type of stuff <hes> that we're really trying to enable and it's all very money related at tells us very coherent story of what is the functionality that you really want out of this. That's an elitist actually a pretty decently long list of here's a whole lot of stuff we got to go ahead and implement and we're really doing it in a way where the environment is designed as much as possible to be extremely emily auditable and everything to be very succinct and it's still very cheap to run a free node and everyone has full control over exactly what they're doing and very very much different from the type of programming environment people are generally used to and which has caused a whole lot of disasters just reviewed APPs in the past where they turn out to be bugging and brick the whole thing and stuff like that so this is the opposite General Design Philosophy of that it does mean it does make it so like your standard issue web developers not going to be able to write these things like it because everything is auditable and confidence inspiring kind of forces you to do all the work of auditing it just she wouldn't get it working in the first place but <hes> we're we have a prototype now of cheerless in the environment for and we're working on implementing smart transactions in a few months. We'll have a really fun thing for people to play with with that but that's not there yet still very much working out. Although a a lot of a lot of work has been put into that <hes> already <hes> <hes> getting back to what the president said the thing he said that might be right is he said that like what facebook is working on his banking and <hes> regardless of the merits of that specific claim a lot of what's been going on <hes> in Crypto currencies these scams where you know Bitcoin is decentralized so it doesn't fall under the regulatory aleatory regime of banking and there are good reasons why there's a regulatory regime around banking someone is acting as a trusted third party they need to be trustworthy and if you're trusting them there's this obvious business model all of them violating that trust and getting something out of it and there's a long history of banking crises happening every decade or so in the eighteen hundreds and if you start loosening up these banking regulations regulations <hes> <hes> you don't get technologists coming in building better technology you get scam artists coming in because artists can deliver fake product a lot faster than technologists can deliver a real product and there are a lot. More scam artists and technologists in the world that that Opportunity yes so so regulatory regime is looking at it and go yeah no. This bitcoin really is kind of decentralized. We'll kind of a we can't really mess with it that way and we Kinda Kinda. WanNa let it be. There is some new technology here. We want to see what happens here right but a whole lot of people are going oh well. I know what I'll do. I'll just claim to have all these other features and get all all the benefits of not being regulated as centralized thing just by claiming. I'm decentralized. BITCOIN has given credence to the claim of being decentralized soldiers claim it and get away with it and and I'll handle all these scaling issues just by actually being centralized but I'll just lie and they're what's to stop them. Yeah yes and there's a lot of just outright scams that are very highly valued right now that are doing exactly that game and that's very bad thing and at some point some some kind of crackdown is going to happen on this right right now. <hes> some are saying reading some articles this morning that are saying this is the biggest bowl signal for Bitcoin bitcoin in Crypto the president actually going you know tweeting out well. It wasn't necessarily he wasn't necessarily in support of but the fact that he's acknowledging it well something. The president of all people should know is. There's no such thing as bad press yeah. That's very very true. Very good point so I mean is that is I mean. Is that a good sign for to some degree for for what you're doing what she does that feel in some ways validating well I I'm not I. I'm not that interested in what is the price of bitcoin right. I'm interested in the technology like how can how can I make. This actually be a useful technology. That's actually enabling valuable. Real Commerce in the world like that is my goal to make that happen and that's what I'm really focused on in these day to day. Fluctuations are noise choice right. You're really focused on the technology behind it. One of the questions I had was how you convince people to make some sort of a switch from bitcoin to Chia is that just is that just something that you don't concern concern yourself with. I very much think about like how how is what I'm doing better and ways. What I'm doing is better is <hes> it's more decentralized and the amount of centralization in Bitcoin hasn't caused a huge problem today but is legit scary and has caused big problems with adding upgrades to the system in the past <hes> it's greener which is good at least from a marketing standpoint very special and also just <hes> from a functionality standpoint? It's not there yet it probably won't be really really there until sometime after launch but have a functioning ecosystem of services and functionality around the base underlying thing which make it much more confidence inspiring than using bitcoin so you can do your own custody and it's not terrifying <hes> <hes> and that kind of stuff and then we're also going to be just as a company directly trying to foster Mr <hes> usage of it like create liquidity <hes> possibly loan out Chea to the world's <hes> possibly invest in people building in these like <hes> <hes> higher layer support things happening on top of it <hes> really make a functioning ecosystem of the whole thing so so it's really all about having better functionality better security and and <hes> and and liquidity <hes> yeah so you mentioned liquidity that was something that I that was kind of focusing a little bit on the leading up to today. What about what about the lack of liquidity over time bitcoin probably hit a point where mining you know like you said will make no sense at a certain point that that happens right so how does the rate of farming reward differ with Chia regards? It's actually kind of a simple question with a simple answer so <hes> in big quyen. There's actually this very scary thing where there's just a schedule of mining rewards and Bitcoin so so she had this great plan and this is all big experiment and they were planning outweigh in advance and guessing right but bitcoin has a reward scheduled the mining rewards are denominated in Bitcoin because that's the only thing bitcoin can roared anyone with is the actual tokens themselves <hes> and and the amount of those go down exponentially over time <hes> they fall they fall in half every four years and practices a bit less than four years but they're they're having <hes> overtime so when you're talking decades in the future future there have been several headings although the price of Bitcoin has gone up a lot <hes> although I am glad those having happened because it's lessened the amount of burning of electricity doing nothing that's happened but as those having continue <hes> you get got to a point where the rewards are so low that people aren't going to be doing very much investment in mining which is going to mean that it may become quite practical and profitable for someone to do a really big attack or just Redo the work of the blockchain over the blast whatever amount of time and take away and and succeed with a double spent where you know you when I trade something I send you bitcoin you. Send me a wire for dollars and then I just reward the Bitcoin blockchain and now he's still have <hes> the funds that I had sent to you before because I undid that transaction I put back in new one. That was my own here and <hes> and I keep the wire that you sent to me right away like that type of attack. <hes> becomes much much more practical as these rewards go now. There's a plan here which is their transaction fees. <hes> when people put a transaction in Bitcoin they have to pay some amount for sure <hes> the amount of those fees are entirely dependent on supply and demand and they vary massively over the course of the day what's been happening. Lately is that <hes> there were meaningful transaction fees on the order order of up to several dollars during the day and at night they go down to nothing is essentially free so if you're willing to wait overnight for your transaction to go through you don't really have to pay anything for <hes> for the transaction infinite <hes> but if this is a big if if transaction fees go up enough and <hes> they're stably up right so if you have this cycle where they call something during the day and then nothing overnight then you wind up getting into these patterns where the miners just turn off overnight and then that last hour or two of the day gets reordered instead they're being mining happening and then people stopped doing get in the first place and everything goes bad but if <hes> transaction fees go up a lot and get smoothed out over time so they're kind of even Keel enough as massive day night spike then and this system might continue to function pretty well <hes> then you get into this other problem which is that actually bitcoin mining pool. Stop working at that point because then people can start <hes> <hes> playing games where you can like well. It's complicated so the the the I if you there these attempts to make it so that when you have a pool it's actually the miners rather than the pool who actually make the block but if all the rewards are coming coming from transaction fees instead of coming from fixed block awards then the pool has no way of seizing any money because if it just tries to seal the transaction fees <hes> a you have this problem that there are ways that people can kind of pay the <hes> can pay the individual minor actually GonNa make the block under the table by making an anyone can spend output in the minor just pays to themselves <hes> so a lot of bad things can happen here <hes> in the future as these having Z- <hes> continue <unk> overtime so for Chia were avoiding this by just not doing that so there are a few having because we were preparing for you know the value Chia going up over time but the rewards do go down but then they stop they just like fallen all in half a few times like three times and then they just stop instance these <hes> trailing emissions just the exact same amount of rewards until like the end of time and since there's no like electricity burn being induced by this I feel fine about in having at work this way yeah okay that makes sense and this is all a decades in the future kind right. Yes I like that you have the very very long <hes> you on this. <hes> that's important especially you know if if this becomes a major global you know currency. Let's say now and maybe this question kind of ties into this a little bit. I wanted to ask about how Chia plans to stabilize the economy through lending because you're going to have a supply of coins pre farmed and and reserved to do this. Is that right yeah yeah how how much it's going to be set aside. How would that work <hes>? We're going to have a big chunk and the exact amount T._v._d.. <hes> preformed for the whole thing <hes> and the plan the. The long-term plan for the company is instead of <hes> just selling the tokens over time <hes> which tends to when you do it that way it tends to the tokens tend to go to people who are just holding it and <hes> it tends to <hes> it tends to depress the price of it because you're diluting the amount that's in circulation right <hes> and we'd rather not depress the price and create better liquidity and and so there's this vague plan details to lend out our preform as ongoing business model so making loans in Chico with which have to be returned and Shia but <hes> the details elsa that <hes> we shall see that's one of several ways we could potentially create liquidity in the system <hes> and right now the focus really is on building the product and shipping it sure sure An- An- part of that is to get people to understand Dan how it operates and behind the scenes green paper is is a big part of that and that only released while I guess a couple of days ago yeah so I'm sure you've been really kind of curious in tuned into reception around that what are what are you hearing from people well. I've heard from a bunch of people that they actually read it and actually understand it. Understood it and really like this like I will admit I read through it. <hes> there's a whole lot of there that I don't understand but I was surprised at how much I could make sense Tabei non mathematician yeah <hes> yeah it's hasn't made like a huge hasn't made a huge media splash but I think also you know. Journalists aren't mathematicians sure they're not one to read a Matthew Paper and get all excited about it but it has had a positive reception on I'm really looking for you know credibility in the academic community and among engineers and also working towards help build up this ecosystem go system <hes> once we launched and stuff hopefully people will understand how they can participate <hes> after they've absorbed what it talks about in there yeah yeah and just how about with Chia in general. Do you feel like <hes> the coverage the the media media covers that you're getting there's a there's a sense of understanding there or I think with Crypto crypto. It's easy to think that we understand it but then you get into the weeds like I know at least for myself and I get into the weeds. I'm like I'm amazed at how much I actually don't know about the details sales behind crypto. How's it being portrayed as as a business right well you know I I think we have you know mostly positive coverage <hes> they're always the haters on twitter about exists? Hey Yeah yeah the I write what I'm going for right now is <hes> press that can help what we're doing like my goals like my immediate thing in truth. Be known what I really want right. Now is for people to participate in our proof of space competition that that is the thing. I want people to participate in and <hes> our V._D._i.. Competition was actually <hes> extremely matthey and are proof of space competition. Petition is much more <hes> program Murray hackery so I think that's much more accessible to award group of people who could <hes> who could <hes> get somewhere <hes> on that channel so I'm hoping hoping to get people interested in that and participating in that is really my goal right now and that that's probably going to be like a dozen or at the most a few dozen people so I'm trying to find those people I don't know who they are somewhere in a haystack who are who are going to be really good at that thing and the whole point of having a competition that's open to the whole world is so that the one person who's really really good at that. You could never possibly find another any other way can come volunteer themselves prize. Now it is kind of a perfect way to do what that you're trying to do right instead of hiring people and then banking on the fact that they're gonNA come up with a great idea for you. It open it up for a competition I have everybody has ideas. I have hired people working people of course you hired of course you've when you get these things where there's a really objective metric when you can really nail down. This is what this is doing and here's how we measure how well this is done <hes> in places where you can do that very well. Competitions always win <hes> <hes> so I mean so then the twit network is kind of a perfect place to get the word out so many of the people that that follow our network are the people that you're looking to read so how can they get involved with their listening or watching they they wanna go to our homepage <hes> on dot net and there's a link. I believe it's at the top of the page. 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I've never designed the puzzle before so what actually goes into creating these oh I I just I just get obsessed. Sometimes that's also an <hes> yes so like this one here. This is this is called the fidgets. This is actually in mass production and it does all these these are my hold up for the camera because the that's the thing here so he can go it does these moves that are kind of hard to describe Matt and like there yeah yeah so it does all these different moves <hes> and the goal is to get it to be <hes> the the goal of here I think I can actually I know how to solve it pretty quickly. The the goal is to get had it to be like like this actually and blue easily create a puzzle it becomes maybe a little bit easier the mechanics of it just this type of puzzle just because you invented it doesn't mean you know how to solve it sure <hes> but yeah this one's in mass production. It's called the fidgets you can get it on in toy stories and Amazon stuff. It costs like ten bucks yeah <hes> I. I'm very happy about this one. Yeah <hes> <hes> this one here. You know funny thing I I just I just kind of left my cube on a radiator and it melted but it's still kind of works so you can like <hes> so this one here let's go. Let's see like this and like that and like their and they're then of course the goal being to getting all that same colors on <hes> on on a single face or yeah yeah ah but this one has a lot of geometric kind of slanting going on that kind of takes it yes so it didn't actually sit on a regular but yeah no this one. It took me a long time to figure out the geometry of it and I actually actually didn't know if it would be possible to actually scramble it. I hoped it would before it was made but I wasn't sure and it turns out it is got it to the state from the starting state and obviously it's very scrambled but my good friend who I collaborate with author Oskar Van Deventer. Sir actually made it after I figured out the geometry this one is not in mass production. I I'm hoping it will be someday if people started campaign for someone to make that might get somewhere sure well and I mean I I noticed a number puzzles cast galaxy gear Q.. You gearshift cast marble. Yeah cast cake. Yeah I mean these are the ones in mass production yeah. Those are the ones that I found for for actually four sell online <hes> let alone. I know that you have some some concepts that you can go on like shape ways and stuff yeah yeah uh-huh yeah. There's like hundreds mar so so I guess what is the process of going towards you know towards creating something like this is it I have an idea you know. Take a Rubik's cube and and you know throw lots of crazy angles at it and figure out how to make it so that it can actually rotate properly and out of that comes the puzzle idea. What does the process there? There's so many different things I'd say the biggest thing actually Ashley is to just see what's out there. Just try every puzzle other people have made every idea that they have just just read through all of them. Don't don't have this idea that you all of your own. Ideas must be a hundred percent out of whole cloth cloth. Ian Is see see what's out there and work with it and then I just have these ideas in my brain of what I'd like to accomplish in do and sometimes there's like a way I want something to move and sometimes there's a mechanical idea idea and sometimes there's a puzzle idea that I have <hes> <hes> a funny story like the cast cake that you were talking about. There's a <hes> <hes> the the prototypes were made on my friends three D. Printer and it is inspired by <hes> it's inspired by this other puzzle. That's also in the cast series <hes> that that actually my friend invented <hes> and I was very concerned with this one and <hes> because I'm like hey I have this puzzle that I think it's really a four piece version of your two piece puzzle d. Do you think this is like two similar here. Am I intruding on your turf and he got back to me like I have no idea yeah how these puzzles are related. Anything like shaver outright never would have happened sounds like a blessing yeah. That's that's great. That's fantastic and so then what from your perspective what do you have to do in order like to be confident enough with a puzzle to say all right this. This is ready for mass production like oh I I have no idea this looks pretty darn ready Demet oh so so that one so this one much to my surprise. This one resonates with people various <hes> hours the area. I don't decide what goes into mass production. The people who produce stuff go decide what goes into mass production and they have way better taste than I do about a what works so I just show them everything and asked them they. Do you think you might want to do this so I don't know so and so they haven't really taken a good hard. Look at this one and yet trying to find the lines that I know I can rotate. It's actually hard if you get this one in the starting state. It's hard to even figure out how to scramble it. The first thing is to figure out how to scramble it at at all undo what you just did <hes> back to square one yeah <hes> and this one also is well. This one has a bunch of different types of pieces in it so it's it would likely be relatively expensive to produce except people have produced some things that look like they should be extremely expensive lately so this is really crazy. Yes hurting my brain. Actually so then you must do a lot of <hes> of puzzles that you haven't created gated. What what does any come to mind is like the most challenging puzzle you've ever <hes> you ever tried to solve well? There's so many different dimensions right so you can have what you don't want for. A puzzle is for it to merely be hard. Yeah <hes> like a puzzle can just be like <hes> it can just be like cryptography that you just have to brute force it for a certain certain amount of time until you find. There's no rhyme or reason it's just like a jigsaw puzzle right well. Jigsaw has had some tricks you can do <hes> but <hes> but if it's impossible with no intrigue yeah he's going to give up before they ever get merely just like keep trying all possibilities until you have ground through them and it magically works right at that one point and there's no invite you to be had. That's a hard puzzle but it's not a good puzzle yeah <hes> what so you really want is something that has some real insight to it <hes> and is really interesting and really teaches you want it to be something that most people can figure out eventually and really teaches something that they feel like they've gained something and become smarter in the process also working through this sure sure so then to that to that end. What's what's your favorite puzzles one my favorite puzzles one of the ones that you felt you've felt particularly like accomplished solving I I solved solve Rubik's cube on my own when I was twelve years old and that took me a while and I came up with the solution that's in many ways horrible but it's like interesting the the approach that I took <hes> and so I really should had right up my what I came up with as a kid solution to the Rubik's Cube <hes> because it's it's a different approach <hes> so I think <hes> as so I think that was really fun? There's there's something for classic yet. There's actually one that I'm really interested in from a mathematical standpoint yeah <hes> that I actually just sent to a Youtuber who goes by mythology and I'm curious to see see what he does with it so if if he's going to do something with it where can people go and check out his his feet. What does what does mythology I he doesn't he knows I'm sending him something and he doesn't know what it is all right? We'll see I I WANNA guilt him into like actually responding to this now. Yes we'll see and we're putting it out there. So it's a little bit of extra pressure. I'm very curious to see <hes> what he can come up with so kind of final thoughts here as were Kinda hitting the end of this chatting thank you by the way this has been super fascinating. I love all the everything that's happening in the world of crypto is so fascinating as much as it can be challenging to understand. It's equally fascinating because it really does feel like the future and so I appreciate your your vision on this. It's all pretty early obviously definitely very early for the whole cryptocurrency spaces one big experiment absolutely absolutely what what would you say. Is Your grandest vision your biggest hope for Chia Shia. Oh my biggest hope is that people use it. It's like you know you WanNa get people actually doing things with it. <hes> I if I'm thinking about. How can you know really change the world? That's like like it's like like well my wildest dreams. It's like people just start doing banking in Chia like people get their paycheck and Chia and then by things when they go to the store and all the way through there that's like the great far off insane insane hope of everything but in much more short term. I'm thinking just having it be used as something that's enabling commerce in some way. It's really making the the gears of finance worked better than they have been particularly in places where the finance system is falling apart. There are parts of the world which don't have a terribly functioning local currency <hes> or or like don't have any way of really doing banking you can't send money to and from there they're in any reasonable manner right now and even just starting with that like when it comes to finance the world of finance is so big because almost everything you do involves finance said exchanging with other people that even eighty bitty success there can be a huge huge thing in absolute terms yeah yeah well when you're talking about changing the world starting with <hes> with with finances is ambitious. Ah Yeah that's that's a pretty pretty <hes> pretty good place to start and you have the potential to really like completely rewrite things. That's that's really exciting. Yeah yeah well right now. From a technical standpoint the grand ambition in is we are not starting with an existing code base like everything we cheered are doing is being written from scratch <hes> I kind of wanted to start with an existing code base but there was so much stuff I wanted to change that it was just way easier to start over from scratch and that that's resulted in there being a lot of work but we're well underway with all of that sure right on well best of luck with everything with Chia Bram Cohen <hes> Chia Chia worship people go online to read up more about G. H.. I R. A.. Dot Net dot net goal Brown. Thank you so much for coming in this is the pleasure is my honored to get the chance. Thank you appreciate it. <hes> we do this show. Usually we do the show every Friday a starting at eleven thirty A._M.. Pacific two two thirty P._M.. Eastern time you can go to twitter dot TV slash live. 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The Other Impeachment Case

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The Other Impeachment Case

"It's Monday September sixteenth. Democrats say there are new reasons to impeach a Supreme Court justice. We start here another allegation surfaces from Brett Kavanagh's past. He saw cavenaugh expose himself at a party is freshman year this one reportedly never pursued by the FBI Bi Democratic leaders spent some time over the weekend on the phone with the president asked for the moon and get something to short of that they appeal to his ego to do something big on gun control and watch the tensions between the US and Iran and oil prices. This is a whole geopolitical spiderweb both are rising after this weekend's attack in Saudi Arabia from ABC News. This is start here. I'm Scott Goldberg. Are you hiring with indeed. You can post just a job in minutes set up screener questions then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today at indeed dot com slash start here. That's indeed dot Com. Slash start here good morning. I'm Brad today. When Brad Kavanagh was confirmed arm to the Supreme Court almost a year ago it was by one of the narrowest margins in history and over the screams of protesters klerk will suspend their shouts in the Senate chamber interrupted the vote. which ultimately was fifty to forty eight? It was at the height of the metoo movement and after Kavanagh's nomination in almost was derailed by Christine Blasi Ford who said he sexually assaulted her when they were teenagers. I tried to yell for help. When I did Brett put it is hand over my mouth to stop me from yelling this past Sunday. We learned about Debbie Ramirez. who was a student at Yale? The Brett Cavenaugh at the time there was another allegation that didn't get as much attention during the confirmation hearing from a woman named Deborah Ramirez now her story is back in the headlines ends and there's a new allegations of inappropriate sexual behavior against Kevin from his days at Yale. ABC's Karen Phillips is covering this Hichiara he Scott. Let's begin with with this new allegation first reported by the New York Times. What is while there's a lot of questions about this new report about another sexual assault allegation against Justice Brett Cavanaugh having all this reportedly was never pursued by the F. B. I will tell you I reached out to the FBI and they are not giving comment on this story specifically but but the New York Times is publishing that the previously unreported account of Max Dire. He's one of cavs former Yale classmates Steinmeyer Steinmeier told senators and the FBI that he saw cavanagh expose himself at a party is freshman year and actually saw Kavanagh's friends pushing pushing him onto a female student. The Times reporters said that they corroborated stare story with two officials but Steinmeyer Dyer is not speaking out publicly. I should point out Scott and neither is this woman. What about Debra Ramirez Cure. What is this new reporting add to. What's been said about what allegedly? Edgeley happened to her when she and Cavenaugh were classmates at Yale after president trump nominated cavenaugh onto the court there was this other former Yale Classmate Deborah Ramirez that you mentioned Chins she was at a college party. Where cavenaugh exposed himself to her? She recalls pushing him away and then seeing him laughing and pulling his pants up she alleged that cavanaugh exposed himself to her also at a different party when they were both drinking now at that time the FBI did launch an investigation around that and found no cooperation of the allegations are Ms Ramirez allegations about you true those are not and of course the Supreme Court justice has denied all claims of sexual assault any of these cases aces the effect that had happened that would have been the talk of campus in our freshman dorm is their suggestion then Kiro or an implication that because because the Ramirez story is getting renewed attention and now there's this new allegation that the c