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Imbi Neeme, Craig Cormick and Harold Ludwick

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29:09 min | 10 months ago

Imbi Neeme, Craig Cormick and Harold Ludwick

"This is a three CR podcast and this is published or not. There are -cations that should unite families, but sometimes when things go wrong. Family folklore is made. What happened is told. In Be Niimi has written about a family who have many such stories. Welcome in BEC- thanks for having me Jen. The last occasion to gets the family together is the funeral who has dawned a case. The two sisters Nicole and Samantha, then mother Tina has just passed away and I don't feel like that's major spoiler. That's the second chapter. Soon! The both daughters or sisters have very different feelings about Tina's passing and actually had quite different roles in his last days Tina. The mother was alcoholic. Look, you talk right about her with a back history or even give her any guilt. How did she get into the character Tina the Mama interesting? You should ask that because at one stage was heavily considering ratting Tina's perspective, maybe not from in her last days from her use, just put up against side by side with the past of the sisters. Then I got this idea that. That as a child myself what I know, if my parents is not the full picture, they have their lives near members in their experiences, and I have only two things that they've told me or that I've observed so I like to think that you know teen essentially is like a missing piece of the puzzle about a big puzzle that the raiders kind of puts together, but we get enough of Tina is one thing in particular without giving any spoilers a piece of that puzzle which I give to the raiders, but the two sisters. Apart likes that ax that offering to the raiders. Will Tina and gray. Who upon husband had two daughters who announced? Forties, but remember the amount of very differently. What did the old one Nicole think about a mother I, think Nicole. She's much more immediately compassionate than his sister. His always thinks the two sisters as being like different states of water, moving to transitioning to another state, so in terms Samantha is like ice slowly soaring so that she's more liquid, full and Nicole is of more formless INLEX team, and she slowly solidifying, so they sort of end up in in sort of the same, the same state, having started in very different places in youngest Samantha. This is a quote from the Book Samantha Felt Uneasy whenever she saw Tina with a drink of any kind, even if If it looked like a glass of water Samantha really blames her mother's drinking on the appearance to boobs. So what happened to Samantha after that divorce? We don't immediately know why up. Some points meant to stop living with a Tina and her system, and actually moved in with her father, and her his second wife by the fight yet the beginning of the novel. You know that Craig Father's actually onto his third wife. We find a little bit more about that. In the course of the novel while Nicole sort of naturally empathetic to the point of being maybe too pathetic convulsants standing up for so over others. Smith is the opposite is very judgy. She's and she's full of Blanche's ready to blame. Absolutely. Everyone else except herself, yes. This second maive done. Louise told Samantha to turn her anger into order so as not adult. What are some of the things that Samantha gets into order? smethers one of her Is Rearranging Bookshelves Rearranging C. D. Collection, and at what point rearranging Nicole's partners record collection much to his fury, but she also has, she lives by series of rules she should have been posed on herself in that shaven poses on her long suffering, husband, trend and thinking of as as a lot of control, freaks and I have to count myself. Months! Show. My husband would have a few things to say about me and my need for order often by having those rigid rigid rules to supporting your life together. There's so much else that you miss that sort of fall through the cracks while trying to hold everything in the middle of the bill can book is called. The spill is a chapter. Cool to spill. The gives the book its title of course so from page. Page one hundred sixty in be name. Would you please read I'd be very lassitude Tina fiddled with the radio until she picked up a station playing music. It was Bronson pocket by the pretenders. She began to sing along with the top of voice as she drug along the dusty Rhodes. She hit a series of bands and she lent into them hard, approaching them at speed, then switching to the break the last minute. There was something about the pressure of the brakes. Fully by the release of the accelerated made her feel in control of headlines again in the backseat Nicola, started sliding around. It was fun at first, but then head banged hard against the door. MOM can slow down. She shouted the Blair radio. It's fine with Fine Tina said which was so than to anyone else. Lynch too hot into the last corner in the world went into slow. Motion Tina turn to Smith beside her worried that she would slip out of the seat belt. She reached out to hold Samantha and shattered both goals names in a desperate attempt to kick them both swelled to stop them from flying out of the car and away from her FM Nicole. Nicole in a tangle of dunes, pillows felt her buddy bounce between the roof, and the stage to discuss on infliction rolled, but in mine was curiously com should remained perfectly still Samantha with her mother's tange on her chest felt like she was on the mouse at the Royal Perth show. She closed her eyes in succumb to the ride, and then everything stopped. There was one last metallic growing. Is the car finished at slide along the Hawk gravel road and then there was. Set to the final boss of brass in pocket, still playing on radio, the calls I thought was that she might be crying. She put her hand up to her is expecting to walkway tears. The found blood instead smashed his I thought that she couldn't see the sky. And Tina's I wash after she'd saying that both her daughters were okay. Was Anita fucking drink? The spill was a chapter with a main, but many of the other chapters I given a title like peace number, five and today, why unnumbered piece well I had this idea of structuring the whole thing like a jigsaw puzzle and each of those check to sit in the past like pieces in the larger puzzle, and they come from different parts of the puzzle, so it's not like I'm handing old paces from. The eighties in the nineties in the thousands on handing them to you in different order, and I think when the reasons I did. That was because my memory is not linear there are there some experiences or events? My Life, which have gray to white in my mind, and it certainly doesn't follow some traditional character arc in linear style with the idea of the jumbled memory. It kind of felt right to have. All the pieces jumbled up in a box and then yes, they're slowly. Just hand them one by one to the radar and see what they can do. It was a good puzzle to work out and we. Was Young, but very organized. She arranged the potty been. Nicole's twenty first when it came to her own wedding. There was somebody she chose to embellish. Who was the? I'll see. If she didn't fight her. Did she kind of uninvited in the same breath? So it's Tena? Her mother is not there at the reception, and the only person who seems to really notice in K. is Nicole Samantha talking to a mother. You get drunk and embarrassing and sloppy and loud and showy, and you ruin everything, and this is my wedding day and I needed to be perfect. Is later. Trenton summer the now with a young toddler rosemary, invite me call over for quiet knees. But, there was a surprise the. Non Drinking Samantha Brutal. Well, it was a bottle of Tequila. Those bottles of the Little Red Hat and it is a huge surprise because Nicole is just is on a break with her dreadful boyfriend, Darren wind or raiders to despises. Despised him, but unser she she's gone along. It's the beak entering the new millennium any. She's found himself in this tiny flashing Shenton Park with her sister has been in a young daughter, thinking that she's just gonNA drink soft drinks, not, but then suddenly this promise of the Tequila and Samantha in her generosity allows. The cold entrenched have one. One Cup town that got to be very careful when they time it. Is such. It's such a revelation that it goes down in family folklore, other things that the Christmas Day with a ham that was not fleet toward the folk, throwing at a fortieth birthday, and being bridesmaids for the farthest wife number three now this last occasion gave Samantha even more reason to be jealous of his sister, who didn't Nicole me. The only coal mates, someone who arguably the must pethick character ever written inlets early in St, I've had some people say to me like. Why is jetes road the? Personal that Nicole made so perfect like it's an no. He's annoyingly perfect auto. Think he's perfect. In fact, I know what he's. He's sort of. His foibles live bottom. Yes, he's rich. His his kind of good looking in a think I describe in a quiet quiet kind of. Your local accountant with undertones of George Clooney. You know he and he he he. He takes Nicole very quickly and just that. Kohl's Samantha endless fury. His Samantha's been working so hard. She's you know. She went to type. She got her accounting degree. She's been working very hot and it calls me drifting along aimlessly and then suddenly instruments manager dreams will titties night. It taken care of her mother Tina rule this time Samantha had resisted even having allowing her daughter to have anything to do with the grandmother. But Nicole was going to be away over Tina's both I and flayed with Samantha to drop in on the mother, so when they did the Matson Rosemary find a lonely, sad old woman that was Samantha's hoped to show Rosemary. The perils of drinking to you know to to drive home, something a life lesson, but instead they find Tina having this amazing party. Her black is heaving with with people having fun playing limbo. And I think Samantha's is even more furious that the biggest problem with Tina and drinking is that Tina makes it look so much fun, yeah! Latinas is to make came to the fear neural 'cause we come back to that Nicole and Samantha had called her the Ghost Auntie. There's this is a an estrangement between those two sisters, which are quite like as a parallel storyline to the present day, Sisters Nicola Samantha, and there is a mystery there, and it takes us quite a long time to actually work at the full reason why those two sisters have not been in each other's lives for almost thirty years so yes. Make. She's she's dot, cools she. She comes in at the beginning. We don't see her again, but she dropped the truth. Bomb that sets the course of the rest of the novel into action is always a difference in the way the to is remember things. You've got Nicole. Who always blamed herself in a quote from the book? Even now thirty years later I still couldn't think about it without feeling that same shame and feel like not in my stomach, small and tight and impossible to untie. But Samantha. She was pretty happy to just blame on this for the history. Yeah, and I I like to think that in her journey from ice to Walter that she kind of starts to take more responsibility for her on part in her own story, it is very easy to kind of push blame onto our parents, so just siblings. There's no healing in that I don't think. There needs to be forgiveness in order to to move forward and to learn from cosme stack so I felt like cements. Is Jenny particular? It's very important. One last quote, the internal push pull dance of siblings. Push dance, obscene feelings. It's something you know about. It's a two sisters. And loved like I love to bits, but you know that's not to say that it's so. It's like you know the hallmark. Sisters Soup Relationship Thompson. We're being closer. With been submit closed an accomplice of friends around me with sister over the years I've just kind of slowly cannibalized their stories their own sister. Ships such as sedating materials, such a rich vein to protecting to. Will Be Naming Twenty Nineteen winner of Kingdon Literally Prize with this manuscript is will. Look at you know as totally unexpected. Really I mean the spill is not Capitol Hill literary fiction. It's it's kind of I. Like to think it's high end commercial fiction know some. Elements that I didn't think I stood a chance, and so when when it was made, who actually one completely floored me I've been. This is my third manuscripts. I've been trying to get published for quite some time to finally. Get something over the line and in such kind of big way was was amazing. Sartre of is making about with in be Niimi a book. The spill when things happen in a family blade be apportioned, and fairly could be moments of regret. The things said to hurt or things not said at all. In be, thank you very much. It was just a delight to read and cheek. Thank you so much for having me Jen. And now it's time for day that. What if Captain Cook haven't might it home after bumping into Australia would if he'd been shipwrecked instead. This tantalizing notion is taken up in the novel on a barbarous coast by Craig Komag and Herald Ludwick Saharan Craig welcome to three CI. Now, Craig Yana writer is James Magara who was actually on the data and reputed to have written an account of the actual voyage, but we discover that he's fighting. than the elements when the survive is get ashore. This is not a cohesive society or one actually equipped to survive those that game on the Endeavor Danica telling we've looked at as many cases we can. All shipwrecks offers as defined by story, even though it's imagined on close to fat as possible by stone, certainly incidence of shipwrecks, and so on, so what happens ship hits the reef in Storm Robina Com not and sinks half the crew die. Captain Cook gets filled by a SPA. He's comatose. Only offices killed, and does survivors third or south of the ship's crew who survived commercial with no clearly. And the question. Is. What's going to happen? They're really afraid of this new land, Benistan these strange people in this new lame skate off the real thing that should be scared always themselves because we played man I stopped fracturing the Marines and Sailors and signs gentlemen stop fighting amongst each other. It's a fragmented society. The virtually comes ashore hierarchies, and all the things they relied on simply fall apart herald. Your narrator is goggle He provides an interesting account of the ship brick men. How would you describe his perspective? Got Gila a young boy that hasn't been initiated yet met at from the. That language group. He sees them like all the other indigenous people rammed the plight. At that time we thought get will all these the ancestors? We were waking full to come back like milk. All with these evil spirits, so even though these guys came a show with a fractured relationship. Al Cultural relationship lows in that still existed when they come. And, they weren't aware what I how Aboriginal Society Works, and you know it was interesting. Thing that we use the young man because you'll people or rent, the will a very inquisitive, and so you know this sets off a chain reaction of meetings and things like that, but later on the book the underlying story is. Way Indigenous and non-indigenous people could understand each other as well if they have a common respectfully. Jennifer well, this is interesting that common respect is not there because the European society really hasn't even got it for themselves, but the contrast between the two civilizations is more than apparent in they search for food. Asked seasonal. is given to us by a creator you're. Only. The I'm learned I is dance Bhai starvation a reality, because not knowing where food exists means you're not entitled to be initiated by the site. We have those shipwreck to completely confounded by the landscape, the woods he had trees of many shapes and sizes, thin, and winding or toll, a narrow, some had low branches that were more like a Bush in some Bush's more like small tree. Some appeared familiar, but others looked like they might. Might be poisonous, trying to tempt us to them with bright flowers site on the whole notion of food. You have the indigenous familiar with the landscape living within the land skype the Europeans, almost trying to force the landscape to they will even missing something important. There is that the Europeans have always tried to force the Australian landscape to know some representation of Europe or somebody's Tyson of England Robin, trying to understand what landscape was offering. Yeah, well. Being the semen, they were they obviously you load of stuff that could eat from the aquatic seen like from the water and things like that, but where they were leaving, they will walk in pot so many different Bush foods that were aware of I mean. There's a one of the paintings of Sydney. Parkinson's when they came here to the endeavor the Guinea Godal red. Red Beach e painted this perfect pickle of this tree that was a source for us, and then you've also got one of the Silas tries to spearfishing the Ridha only to get eight and Black Crocodile, and the light was wondering why the hell did. He got into the river in the first place. But what does this actually site Craig about the notion of discovery? It tells us a lot about that trying to catch them onset of Beckon, the the century, when when the will was Lousy Bang, rediscovering it from is Europeans kind with. European shape glasses, and with a Kuchen data into Haiti or new, Zealand, and Australia. They were discovering things that look for mirrors I understood when I go to New Zealand, for instance, the Mary had villages had crops, and had fortifications, and the Europeans would sort of get that because that was similar to the why you're petty when I go to astrology. I couldn't get it because the digits people here I lived in tawny small groups that didn't permanent houses. That didn't have any plantations. If I could see and I, just couldn't understand had I were living with landside, they they they tended to dismiss them up until like to cooktown when everything changed. The fragmentation of the survivors is interesting I mean had I respond to the situation and what? What does the landscape do to them? So the respond to the situation is like like all of us underarm stress we revert to taught, and so the soldiers marines, their first instinct is to build a fort and start firing whatever few Moscow say, lift into the bush to chase away, but the what I to say this the the savages or the bobbers inhabitants of the land. The silence everybody time they want to mend the boten and silo why to to find shelter somewhere else to get rescued and the scientists and the naturalist and the gentleman. They want to try and understand the land. UNDERSTAND THE PEOPLE And so you have these three different groups of mindsets plant different with age. And Lousy site by the land whether viewers is hostile to defend yourself from with the abuse something to flee from, or would you view something to try to understand? It almost becomes in some ways a little bit like Lord of the flies, because psychologically by also fragment as well not just physically psychologically, they're broken to as true. Yes, the reaction of the Google media people who. Who I encountered is that shipwrecked is interesting, the site of these spirits and they uselessness intrigues. My people more than anything else now there's a long delay before gobbling makes contact. What is this do to? And one of the challenges got against people face. There was a long interval before they made contact because they still went. She'll what these people will wear. They people live. Live spirits because something they would never have photo because they being in straight yet. They never seen why people before it is like united, seeing spaceship landing in front of us will be totally mesmerized. Butter freighters will look at the Europeans having shelves on their back Yeah Yeah, and that's what the clothing and things like that because people didn't need clothing, we lived. Lived in the at his generals, we live in a fine climate with no one of material things, and that shows up. When Cook did come here, people discarded the beads, the nails and everything they try to give him, but took the fish that had a practical use. Their scenes where Magara recounts events from the voyage half cooked up with the Myers, for instance. And you even have a a discussion about so walter rallies first. Settlement in the Americas. What do we learn from that ability to cast out I back over? The events that good well mangrove coast. East, trying to recant from the past also voice of the present, because we always rate books of the past in a frame of the president. And so being look at other young settlements like walt rallies filed roanoke settlements new. Aside we're only. Settlers just disappeared. Shows that you know the question is. What do we learn from the past? Have we learnt from the Pasta it'll, and that's why the whole book is premised on this. If you know how Howard Black and white, strained relations, but he to die, if the first contact had happened to the point, where at book towards the end, we say, the few Watts is an indigenous people converging and coming to an understanding, each other at that happened in imagine in the second contact, if another ship arrived to lighter, and they met with indigenous people who could stay committed community language wants to their mindset who to communicate with them had different Australia. But it was quite a chasm to a the come into of. The experience and the understanding on intrigued by Magris dreams of. The crocodile on wondering about the significance of this connection, Magara has and has significant entities. Well to me. You Know Galati is a very important part of our culture, because he's not only break, but is a strong he's spiritual and coming from the prehistoric times at people have drawn him on up and caves and low away from salt water, so they all knew about the crocodile, but when Matt receives that it's it's like his consciences, speaking to him about what must be done. What should be done the how to be passion how to gather all the necessary information? He needs to process or progress, so I think. It's a perfect car to met. Were some understanding as well? That understanding comes out because it becomes almost a spiritual connection which highlights the divide then between the Europeans and the indigenous, and the why look at the world? That's right. He's starting to understand you. You have to respect the country. The animals and this is something that people down from day dot with the management of of food, resources and things like that, and so you know we all had laws, cultural and sacred places was reason will it now begs the question who is the most savage in this narrative in its the irony of the title is? is taken from a line from Sydney Parkinson. On the noise of the Ricky talks about the fear of being stuck on a Bob Ross coast where the savage will that we actually see as the story unfolds, the the real savages are the Europeans and then they inability to to work together, but will against each other, when things start getting ugly, but I was willing to liable the paper like across a savage. What can astray aliens learn than from reimagining the Cook Discovery Myth in comes back to the real seventy and seventy interaction by Colt. People with they had a perfect relationship because there was a skirmish, but that's only because the misunderstanding about, but the underlying story of this book is how both Cultures Black and white can survive understanding in the big banner of respect. We're going to have to end the interview there. The book is on a barbarous coast. The authors cry Coleman and Ludwick and it is in fact. An alanon released I. Cry and Harold. Thank you very much for talking with me today. Thank you. You've just been listening to published or not on three C.. Back. Throughout the month of June, we'll be asking you listen to support radical community earned media during a June station appeal. We'll be taking donations online to help. Keep the station going for another. 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Re-balancing history - Cook landing commemorations will be different

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22:33 min | 1 year ago

Re-balancing history - Cook landing commemorations will be different

"Fifty years ago a twenty one gun salute marks the two hundredth anniversary of Captain James Cox Landing at two Louis akilah poverty bay in seventeen sixty nine overhead. We've just seen apply Faust Awesome Vampires inflammation flying very low trial tremendous side. They went ahead this morning. The first of the Captain Cook Bicentenary celebrations takes place in gives been. Here's there's pita snip mirror after cook more at this religious ceremony. None of five navy's are assembled to honor captain cook just a few yards from where he said for the New Zealand. The mouth of the today I'm going to the service is being conducted by champion of the Royal New Zealand Navy the Reverend Molly Mazda at later commemorative plot will be unveiled by Rear Admiral Ritchie D._n._C. who has idag over the Navy a very British style ceremony and no mention of the deaths of more than a dozen Mari in the first two days is that encounter including two chiefs this year the events marking two hundred and fifty years are completely different. I'm Sharon Break Kelly and this is what we're looking at on the detail today. Give a walk the Monday anyway at the League to three three in October. A flotilla of worker and ships will lend it to a New York Iwo as part of commemorations around the country called two year encounters to fifty commemorating two hundred and fifty years of the Joel puritans and the she had future that is what we can do to to build bitter understanding of what happened how we were founded and to uplift the manner of our country. We've got two thousand years at least of <hes> voyaging heritage where Thuban arrived in Alltel Roy up until the time when <hes> coke advertisement and all those Europeans arrived in Ottawa and we need to build Jolo stories but critics say spending twenty three million dollars to mark such a divisive moment is wrong a slap in the face for molly indigenous rights advocate Tina Natta says cooks actions are not a cause for celebration when somebody <hes> lanes and then shoots fist person that they say and then the next day shoots another fifteen and then wants to get a closer look at a gun so they shoot everybody in the Casa that they can get a closer look bigoted and everybody in that <unk> Nam that were just Fisher people united call that an encounter as egregious in the extreme and a complete papers for minimization dame end summoned has written several books about Mardi life early exchanges between Pacific Islanders and European explorers and about cook himself. She thinks this is a time for Truth and reconciliation on a member of the two hot trust in gets born so we've been with you on the project for a few years now in fact <hes> because we knew it would take time just to get various the bites thing and linking reaching out to the local community so I'm just a member of the trust on the National Committee as well in. National Advisory Committee came up with the idea of two to fifty. I think originally <hes> the emphasis came from from Gisborne <hes> because everybody knew that the two fifty s was coming up and there was a Hawaii and Gisborne held back in two thousand twelve and at that point a lot of people got together and had a discussion about it and say that the local trust because they knew they wanted to be able to prepare for hosting <hes> an advance because everybody knew in nineteen nineteen sixty nine they had been a major event in the city and what is the thinking behind this one well I think in not need sixty nine <hes> it was very much. Celebrations Cook and people still talking about Cook's discovery of New Zealand and Cook was kind of up and lots of you like we meet today to honor the memory of a great seaman and a great navigator this James Cook but it certainly was the unquestioned greatest of his age aged probably of all time and they were thousands of people in the ships from Navy's from around the world. It was a huge event in nineteen sixty nine and all of us here today with the possible exception of Maui friends presents to him personally. I have thought a few words on Cook. The man would not be out of place and in fact there was a giant inflatable of cooks. He was paraded on the streets of Guzman. Yes well awesome awful two flights. It was a very big say I actually listened to a one hour. It was like a documentary of the day it was quite incredible wasn't that because it was very much to party her event what it laws and I think some of course is that the country we've had the tribunal has been running for a long time now and so I've just been thinking about actually had history and how it's played out and the countries that different from place the nineteen sixty-nine what is going to happen and then it's a national event and Gisborne and that's what happens when the trust was fit up the locals wanted to make sure that they were very deeply involved in the cartilage fleet of vessels and his not night worships from around the world this time that will be naval presence from the Royal New Zealand Navy but also this going to be workaho from our country and I'm from Tahiti is coming to represent to pile the high priest navigator who settled on the endeavor and then there's GonNa be a couple of ships in the Endeavour Replica Jota enjoyed it. I'm Savannah whereabouts. We've got to Watson a lot to be part of it to the Toyota. Fifty voyage involves a flotilla of Workaho Toa. I'M WANNA as well as heritage in youth ships. It was sal around the country to fifteen different pools in communities from fungi tonight autism from time to December this year Christa all those kind of be commemoration and celebration of Polynesian voyaging so all those <hes> Vacaville come in I and that of interest to be the commemoration commemoration of ancient forging and the feats of the ancestors who invisibly water sailing and explored and settled via syphis <hes> which was extraordinary fate and then a couple of days later on the actual dates of the it was a rival the tall ships will come in and people are all sort of working out exactly how old that's playoffs at the moment so the actual story itself of Cook's landing. How is that going to be told one of the? The things that I think is fantastic. That's happened is that around the country stories that you know had been kicking families for example <hes> about the events of win cooker Brockton one place after another on now being shared and so we're kind of getting a Richard View Complex view <hes> it was pretty as it could be from. I'm sure from the broadcast you've listened to in nineteen. Sixty nine was a fantastic patriotic festival and it'll be complicated this time and in what way well because some of these stories the stories vary from one part of the country to the next but intrude on as you know things did not go well. It was shootings. There was a shooting on the fifth day. <hes> there was a kind of the challenge that happened and <hes> molly. You'd never seen muskets before the Europeans had never seen a hooker and that ended up in was a very important legacy the coal to muddle being shot and you know that's one of the stories that's going to be told by the descendants of monitor and then they were more shooting that followed the next day as well and those stories again to be looked dancing and thought about so I guess what we've got as a view from the beach <hes> as well as of you from the ship this time we were as I guess a nine hundred sixty nine. It was more of you from the ship. I think it absolutely was and that was just we were a nations at that time. <hes> do you imagine these going to be any kind of TNT Shen at the time come October when these events played out well. I think it's been complex metaphor every to discuss them. Decide Tattoo handle because you know when you these stories about your ancestors being shot on the modest side of the story the stories that were handed down a very much from the the point of view of the people on the beaches on shore and just as the stories that what handed down from the ship with vantage points on board the vessel and so people are really fishing very hard to figure out how best to deal with with sadness and the tragedy and the kind of anger preps it's because it wasn't really acknowledged nineteen sixty-nine for us. It's a specific concern around the re entrenching of colonial fictions within the Mayans and hats of future generations impedes indigenous truth. There's there's still a lot of of of colonial mysterious thing capitulated through these events just the way in which they minimize what happened just say molly cold fifteen killed and one day it's kind of like a wounded sister shoes in nineteen nineteen sixty nine that was really not acknowledged up particularly it was kind of traces Malia and so it wasn't dealt with and the thing that's happened in history. Since as a nation is that we have through the white tiny tribunal I've been trying to deal with the things that have gone wrong in history but the problem with watching you try being Eliza starts in eighteen forty and it was quite a lot that happened before the end that we haven't really thought about trying to figure out how to deal with you know I've looked at the various hist things that are going to happen with two year to fifty eight to me. It looks really exciting. I mean this various things happening in the classroom and you can apply to go sailing on on one of these walker or one of the ships there's. Oh kinds of things happening around the country but there are some people who are focusing on the fact that it is connected with the anniversary of Cox landing in the angry about it. What do you make of that? Did you expect that kind of anger. Well absolutely when I was writing about <hes> the arrived with indata longtime ago now nearly eighty s I spent a lot of time talking with local people and local coma to help me huge amounts and then like the one I had drops of the particular chapters on different landings I presented draft chapters in the Modi and people debated them and I knew from that experience back then this was something that had not not yet been built with that in the areas where they had been conflicting where people were shot also sense of they had just not been acknowledged in any kind of a way and so it's the thing that I think just as out post treaty history. It's something we have to deal with this country and we have to do it honestly and with as much goodwill as we can possibly muster on all sides because it's it's difficult history Jake Satcher who's a master navigator Kipton initially he declined to take part and to he had to fifty but now he is actually joining the flotilla in his part of the leadership this is that Mardi need to have equity in the storytelling retelling. We know now that <hes> not you'll know knee are going to get the opportunity to tell this story for us. It's too important not to actually be involved in this opportunity through to you to be able to tell you story check richer Gotcha and what to do or could lead the whole hotel so it's not just the <hes> Pacific Basil's <hes> but Paul Flotilla and you know they're very amazing men I think and and the women that's were involved as well. You know that people have said to themselves. They know the history they know is extremely well. Jack is actually <hes> impact from Telugu Bay from our <hes> Ho two of course from the Kingitanga they know the history and they the whole the hit some homes that have happened kind just be telling the stories of European arrival here and what effect the head on us because for Mao perspective it wasn't a great thirst at Kempton if you really wanting a nation to mature and what they've said to themselves had fade in the meetings of being at this we need to stand tool until I side of the story so that people understand the full the full narrative and that as a country we are dealing with our shared history in a way that shit and I can't think of a bit away for it to happen that they had this flotilla <hes> crew experienced Polynesian navigators Stan Ghitis but but also the kids that again to join the flotilla. It'll be an extraordinary experience for everybody I think because as they go around the country and they stop at the different size stories a gun to come out of the the hills and come out of the valleys because that's what's been going on in the last couple of years and stories haven't been told before now being told and it's it's a huge privilege to be part of that kind of <hes> exchange and you say this is a way of heating down the truth and reconciliation trek well. It's interesting isn't that that in in New Zealand we all total what we've done about that treaty treaty history as we set up the white tribunal and that's been an extraordinary exercise. Size <hes> but it has been one which is being dominated by lawyers in many ways <hes> the stories are told that the told the tribunal that told why the community about some homes and the things have gone wrong <hes> because most of those hearings you don't see many of the wider community there whereas the truth and reconciliation process that happened in South Africa was very much the people who'd been harmed having a child ah you know she thought happened to them with the people who harm them and in a very direct way on that time and the idea that was that this was a pathway towards potential healing and forgiveness because the stories could be told and that could be knowledged and it could be she <hes> and that really hasn't happened around really a history and do you imagine that kind of thing happening <hes> as the flotilla coolant various places around the country well. I think every place is different. The history of each of these you know all these communities have totally different histories anyhow about the <hes> histories of encounter with with being a difference as well so in some places the meetings were peaceful and to Pie. I played a very prominent bowl and you know the local people responded because he was a total of two who are Ah terrier navigator who'd come from the homeland trade because he come from Yata and so he played a very big role in some of these meetings and people are fascinated by him quite obviously but the problem multitude on it he will come ashore on the first day and you know the shooting happened on the food and everything just winter rye from that moment on in to Deng <hes> but in later meetings even <hes> it's probably along which I'm just still in in the Bay <hes> but I am places for example like fifty on the quality of the meetings was different and for the memories of different and what do you think of the coverage about ashes for example the Wellington utter Suzanne Tomek. She's getting two hundred and fifty artists together to be part of a number of anti-cook exhibitions and she sees that the funding that's being spent on to you to fifty should actually be we spent on Teaching Compulsory Zealand history at skulls. What do you make of it? I mean do you understand that. Some people feel angry about this well. Of course you know have I not and <hes> but but at the same time I think the only way to shift sort of entrenched views of history <hes> and for many people many people so think that cook discovered New Zealand you know a lot of people are not aware of forging history that the fact that the ancestors of modern been to bluewater sailing and they affected the technologies enable them to settle this huge ocean and so the fact that that's being written out of history. I think is a tragedy because it's such a fantastic story and have the opportunity of having these <hes> and and Ho do a traveling around and people who know the conduct navigation they know how to say like that talking with a young people I mean it's great to have classroom but I think having it on the water will be something totally unforgettable. I'm an anthropologist so I know the power of symbolism and it can work for federal ill but if it works for Bass. So it gives an even-handed view of that history and our past and stories of genuinely shed in ways that people will never forget. I think that will be very powerful. What do you hope we'll come out of this event well? I think the debate is really healthy. I'm good <hes> we we've had these debates about the post fifty history and they've been in some ways like being painful at times but in the end <hes> we have learned a lot more about history than we knew before and that's kind of what I hope will happen here is that we we think about a deep history in a way that we haven't before fool you know where we all come from. <hes> how does have a human beings arrive in this. This is the last significant landmass on earth to be found by people and settled and it was the ancestors of modern that you know and then in nineteen sixty nine that was completely ignored and so you know of course people resent that how could you not but it would be fantastic if food people like the people who are standing up and segments tell us stories that share all about history. That's trying to confront <hes> all aspects of our past. I think that's a brave thing to do and I think it's it's a really admirable thing to do. What is the feeling and the city? Are People looking forward to this. The lots been happening already. There's going to be a big up. Festival is going to be a big fish in on the future of the Pacific Ocean. You know people get a chance wants to go and put the bottom rock and the tall ships. There'll be a lot that's going on positive and I expect we'll say there will be times when people are just kind of confronting the some of the past but we intuit on they've decided that they're going the handle those aspects of the history and their way and that's the right but you know no one's telling me what to do about this these this stories and their right to handle in the way that they wish a source before actually when the endeavor Ripa time to it gives them to Donna and that was a very charged occasion as well. It was incredibly powerful. We was <hes> quite a long time ago now but I was there and I had risen. I'd Rusen quite a lot about out the voices of the point that they had a big thing that is important already after the port city which was like messes and very highly charged it was as though the rule happened yesterday and Kiki Spa Million Peter Gordon reach us to spend up in the air and pulled out and say what we source it happens from the research we've done and we did and the eldest Kumar to all this in the front with their arms folded and they interrogated us because they wanted to understand what had happened and that's how it was has dealt with at that time and it was potions. What will your role be this time? I actually think it's time you know the voices to speak Iverson some books about this and I studied <hes> the voyages from these vantage points and had the experience Amiens Talking Tacoma to about them but I think there are new stories that are coming to life and the younger generation in play and I think that's great often that's fantastic they stain and summoned letsie detail well for today. I'm Sharon Pre Kelly. The details brought to you by newsroom. Dot Co dot insead made possible by the Ariz.. Insead on Innovation Fund archival sound recordings in this episode of from the Ariz.. Collection at Nantong sound and vision.

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#379: Aloha Oe Vey (@ChinoBrah)

Ari Shaffir's Skeptic Tank

1:45:04 hr | 1 year ago

#379: Aloha Oe Vey (@ChinoBrah)

"And then she wrote the song. Aloha low sounds like that. Sounds like a sweet song. Right what is it. It's the saddest fucking song ever ever written in which it's it's literally saying goodbye to our ways goodbye to our culture goodbye to our people bite to everything we know. I don't know that's it played so much. It's so sad ida work anybody who any Hawaiian who knows what. The words of that song means knows the appropriate time to play that song which is damn near navigating Aw hello everybody and welcome to our Asia fierce skeptic tank podcast. I'm Marsha Fair so I haven't gone so long. I was on tour. The final legs of the wandering Jew tour New Orleans Atlanta Hawaii Hawaii we Portland Maine where else was charlotte and Pittsburgh and During podcast equipment with me to not bring it with me so Recording the walls gone and I did record one thing while I was gone this podcast and then got back and I had some clerical stuff to deal with Took some time and so I've been trying to get this fucking brutal intro. Done fucking recorded in whatever anyway. So today's podcast was recorded in Hawaii in a basement of a fucking the venue that we performed out inquiry With channel. The MAUI comedian. WHO started Mary coming? Listen I've met a few people who started the comedy scenes in their country. The the foremost is Rei Elgin Icelandic comic. Who really started his pockets a couple of times? He started Linda comedy. There was none before him And Chino started comedy in the country of Maui really to have this why is a different place. Yes and each island is different. And then so he gives me the fucking history of in this podcast but like they're all different countries later made up of like nation states to to form the country of why I was making this joke while I was in stage but it wasn't really joke just came off as a joke where I go so I can't wait to get back to you. Know I got him from my country or something like that or get back to my country ever laugh but I didn't mean it that way I didn't mean it like a joke. I meant it like oh no America different country than Hawaii. The the vegetable vegetation fucking weather the people. It's laid back if you're in a rush to get something in Hawaii you're in the wrong place. It just so chill man I saw so many fucking rainbows just relaxing faulk. We got this AIRBNB. Be The bath shower outside and just laid a hot bath. Smoking Jay's staring up at the stars the fucking fucking most relaxing place in the world and we we just drove to different hikes me and my boyfriend and just like we just like took in the nature. There's so so much of it and there's so much fresh fruit passion was a little quiz fucking sick. They're Kinda like those that were definitely related to the Denia Energija Grand Grenadine. Jails That I showed on Rogan's podcast the last time I was Rogan podcast for my obese. Friends Author sure so delicious and fresh. I couldn't get enough of them that and pineapple. That's my jam as drove around and bought one of those Little Hula Hoop. Who Skirt who the skirt? You know those skirt with a bobblehead but just a chick dancing and I'd just like We drove around went to different hikes. And and have just fucking blast man. Dan was just fucking great printed a convertible on Maui and when they asked what I was doing they said. Are you bringing opener with you. Know Montgomery agent with me two fucking Hawaii. Are you kidding me. So she can stay in the hotel all the time in Hawaii. That's Great Pittsburgh. Adrian is made for an opener Pittsburgh but not in Hawaii But no I was actually like. Hey this is comic channel of forges. There are like tim to open and they're like that's who we had mine. So it was is perfect Chino. I met When I was in the Maori Comedy Festival five years ago remember? Jp Jacob Nocco back then because he could not afford to miss his weekend spots. WHO's a free trip free flight for hotel and no pay though and Free Food and J couldn't afford Mrs Weekend Spots in Manhattan at the seller in the in the I guess the stand was opened until you couldn't afford to miss a few hundred bucks? He was going to get. That's how bad he was doing then versus how well he's doing. Now wow what a fucking giant upturn. Anyway I met Chino there. He pretty much supplied We to the entire festival and we smoked smoked on a wall on Maui Facing the the ocean his girlfriend a long time ago and he was a funny comic and he started the scene there. So you know. After the first show in Honolulu I asked him like he started telling him in the history of Hawaii and I was like. Oh this is the perfect podcast. Let's do that so that's read it. We met we talked about Hawaii and Dude Hawaii was so much fucking fun. He was so much fucking fun. That's hippies there was this dude I met at the supermarket. I was buying like firewood to make a fire on the beach. in principle that's him dude was like dude. I've been here for thirty years. Had that fucking gruff voice. I live up at camp up in the mountains. I remember what it was just general store and like and two little lack a so. The whole village was general store to too little. Forget what he said too little houses and now it's legit real city. Do when you meet a crazy person you you gotta ask yourself a real question M I in a rush and another question. Am I in danger. So if it's a homeless duty might touch you then. Obviously you want out of there. You're only get touched by homeless homeless in your hands. But if you're not in danger and you're not in a rush where are you going. It's going to be great entertainment. Just listen to this guy told me the story for a while then I was like I gotta go and then I met him around the corner I was looking at wine with the boyf- and and and some and he comes. Roads are all you want. Want want this and they just runs away and comes right back goes. There's only five hundred nine hundred eleven percent hard to tell them like. Oh Dude I'm not. I don't shop for wine. Based on the alcohol percentage. That's not like by chief. But you've goal here understand but I didn't tell him I was like Oh cool just held it look to the boyfriend and I was like we're not we. Don't anybody's Buzzword right now anyway. So he was just talking fun to talk to talk about we. He's like you need some thank you by somebody. Hooked me up a Choi- my first island. Thank you can sell you out with the name. Because I don't know how legal it was to give it to me but you fuck it made our trip. We're flush with weed the whole time and other stuff which I'll talk about in a second I guess All I did was drive around. Listen to the radio and so I always thought the radio when I listen to it last time was just for tourists. But it's not it's what's what's I haven't been there that long before so I was there for ten days and by day seven. I'm like Oh that's all. I WANNA listen to his reggae Shit and the fucking Hawaiian music. Shit 'cause it's relaxing and it goes those with a vibe there and some nineties music uses a blue traveler dude. The nineties music that Who's WHO's won two prints neo? Oh before me. That's what happened. Nineties music was so fucking fun and happy. You know even fucking wish you could the back back from that led my for even about suicide. We're happy and then it changed right around September eleventh two thousand one music music changed for the fucking darker. That's really Obama. I mean Osama bin one one he won because our music fucking drastically altered. Are This theory that the sixties sixties died when Manson killed That chick and then the innocence was GonNa like. Oh it's not flower power anymore. Laurel Canyon not the Mamas. And the Papas. It's fucking murder and man. Osama bin Laden changed music anyway. It was a great time so he sat in the in the venue in Karachi I learned that every syllable matters. You can't say why is Hawaii Maui. Nobody Says No. It's the same as before alumni settling I And the power is out when I got there and so we sat in a in a in a spare room. We talked by cell phone light all about the history of Hawaii and the current state of Hawaiians and and and how they feel that they are. It was just really interesting so thanks for coming in and talking to me I would also like to thank All the places I stayed with great airbnb comedian friends fucking the. I'll tell you the places I stayed there. More rustic man they were great resort resort. I guess but hotel in Maui on Maui on Maui on Maui swam turtles. One day. Today was like real cloudy. I'm a snorkeling fool. Man and I would like to the next one to some lady Michelle who picks up while we're walking back from from hike. We couldn't get into that a permit and to the couple. I forgot their names. I think it was something like Erica and John. You know who you are who you are and we were hitchhiking back. The it was it got dark. We Walk to a to a beach and on the way back. He was dark by the time we were coming back and it was like on a highway away and there was really no sidewalk and it was wet at and it was just like fuck. This just seems dangerous and we started hitchhiking and the first car we tried pick this up and drove us. The FIBS five minutes down the road but the walk within twenty minutes down this road right along highway dangerous and I think maybe Erica. Maybe John and I just want to thank you guys guys for making my trip make my time in Hawaii a lot safer a lot better I mean I don't know if you could tell but I tried to keep it together in front of your kids but I mean we were fucking flying mushrooms and so I tried to keep it saying i. He's gotTa assume you knew but try to keep a cool and not. I hope I didn't talk in disruptor family at all but That was really cool you to pick me up so I appreciate that so anyway. Let's start the episode The tours over. I'm not gonNA have any dates until the next tour starts in June. It'll start I'll be at Edinburgh in August so get ready for that. So we'll a bunch of other American comedians and will promote all of them. We might be doing it. In America Review American Comedy They Review Show in Edinburgh. Me and Sean Patrick Thought together right now. kept aside. I WANNA put us late night but I say it shouldn't be late night We're also they're just doing a no. UK Comedy Review of so Australians. Canadians Chinese whoever just know. UK Comics Justice is an insult but Mike Breaches in American comedy review. Plus Our fuck so ladies and gentlemen without further ADO. Oh right we start. I got nothing else. Those gentlemen are Shivers gap uptake episode three eighty nine. Possibly three seventy nine. I'm not sure and I'm all I'm telling you man I if you go there for a few days and you'll start seeing these rainbows. You wonder why the rainbows on the fucking Hawaiian flag. You just see all of them and you just you driving striving towards rainbow and it just it was just amazing these drives along these coasts. And you just couldn't stop it. Look in the overlooks. I mean I I WANNA move that the pace of life there so fucking chill and the people are Nice. I don't no no bad people just talk it I just I loved it. I loved it the country of why it's like I wish I had across up I've already been. So I can't count as one of the new countries. But Yeah I know I'm going to talk in a fucking look for a fucking podcast. Another home for two straight weeks. Look for a studio to hope that would require shitload and release them. When I'm gone on my travels there's a gentleman and if you came looking for something something that you're definitely not going to get? Patriots tried to Patriot paycheck. Dot Com slash skeptic tank raw. Give you fucking content and you guys can continue to support me. Allow me to do whatever the fuck I WANNA do. Things I find funny whatever I WANNA do without the fear repercussions Russians because I wanted the only truly independent artists in comedy working today. You can argue with me if you want your So let's start. There's a gentleman. DOC WASHBURN skeptic episode three nine three seventy nine Vais with Gene-o laforge starts they all. Go uh-huh Bobby squeeze trouble like men move offs Jiminy Cup you. Oh aw gene to own why. Why can all right well if the equipment will based drunken? That's right judy reports. So we're sitting here and Uh Dressing Room with cellphone. Light dark dreary evening. Yeah is it really dark and dreary as it gets on the power went out. Apparently there's a reggae concert going on next door so they just decided to divert power to the REGGAE here. Sounds like a lot like Christian. Music or REGGAE is Christian music but instead of God it's jaw yeah instead of Herbs Herbs Herbs. I guess it's like being all that happy and friendly like I've been listening to radio like Bridgman driving around a bunch and it is such happy music. Nothing about reggae. It's all well we call it John. It's a mix of like Hawaiian. Yes all right Jamaican no all keyboards mostly keyboards bass players. Maybe a drummer tremor. Yeah and they have type. But it's like that rock version of that. Yeah IT'S A. It's a beat. Everybody the dance that we do. It's called Skanky. Yeah discovered that that's cultural gang. That's cultural appropriation. That Scott has bright but not another risk just cultural well. I mean a specific race. But they're what they are wow interesting yeah. It's so positive. That song of like what's that sound. I don't have a drinking problem. I gotTA drink. I don't like eight times of the radio. Lucia at something like that. Normally we reference windscreen bottles of the Hawaiians drink Heineken steinlager. That's like the main beer staple I don't know why it. It must have just caught on. I think a green bottle beer doesn't Turn in the sunlight and a lot of time in his last night. We ship all her stuff over so whenever the solution for every problem we think here more expensive or is is just value. The fucking homegrown shirt. The tangible are more expensive. So it's like milk bread eggs all those. Why Cows here but there's only so many cows they're they're meant to feed baby cows and there's a lot of baby cows on silent talking way towards humans but there's a lot of humans and they keep coming and going. Yeah so it's like a higher number but So like a gallon of milk cost you like six seven dollars hammers in America Like three Bucks Bucks Damn. Yeah and that's like you can get like a half gallon for four bucks and that's a that's a we call. We call that even pretty much but as far as the tangible go those are more expensive but when it comes to like what you do with your day yeah. I'm going to spending a lot less money. You're like why would you. You don't pay for parking first of all why there's no park do you just park unless you're on Oahu. There's no need to pay for parking. It's all still locally owned and then you're going to the beach come over to this. You don't pay the beach right. Yeah so it's like either. Don't go to those beaches where it's like behind an integral there I'd like paper parking spots behind but if it's around the resorts not we don't go there unless we're trying to hook up with tours. Those were my questions. How much does that happen? Because my friend lives in Jamaica and he worked on like a club. Med kind of thing to Jamaica make it. Oh yeah you said he would raise his accent way higher. Oh Oh yeah at to try to have like some girls fantasies parking island boy one hundred percent And your teenage and your twenties. Yeah that's exactly what you do like. who like who kind of woman like mom Tom? You know there's been situations where I've been gunning for the daughter and the daughter wasn't working out but the Martin sees me flirting with their daughter and he's kind of cute. Oh my God yeah I ah the layup. Yeah the assists that happens sometimes. What is it about the island makes me WanNa fuck the lack of judgement from your friends? Maybe hundred percent. I the the one thing that you hear most from the tourists that you do hook up with. Yeah it's like Oh my God my friends would. My friends would be would be so mad at me for doing this. Oh my God they would call call me such a slut. And it's like they wanted to. They wanted it. Yeah and then their way from the day drunk to two PM Wednesday. Who cares you can end up in like a sugar Mama? A situation to those happened to sometimes if you're good enough looking a local boy oh sometimes there's women who are in power business positions that don't want to waste waste time with the scheduling and meeting somebody and orchestrating that. Hey I saw your facebook profile you got a good body. You seem like a nice young man. Are you single comeback it out and yeah and they have money for you. They're like I got a car. I got all this whatever you need. Black women or these are like just like executives that live here tourist kind of they're more like seasonal visitors like they. They come during winter or during the window. I mean that's what I want if I'm here for sandwiches January to March every year am I know I got this guy or I mean like I had this check. Yes comes over like once a week. We'll always it's always either summer or spring out here right so wherever you're at if it's not summer spring we're hearing when there's some people that can't stand those winter weather months. Seasonal depression takes over or they just don't feel like fucking shoveling the driveway from Portland in In in Honolulu. Yeah they were like I had seasonal depression. Yeah fuck it. If you have money why not I mean I don't have money I live here so yeah I paid my dues. I paid the seven dollars for milk. I Live Ya how you grew up here. You're born here. I was actually born in in In Torrance California but my dad was born and raised in a while. Who and he raised me Hawaiian and then I moved back to Hawaii after he passed? So well how. How unprofessional racial racial or at maternal? That's your number ring town. It's my text tone. I like the Sun Tan Tan too much for taxes. Tone you get three in a row and everyone thinks like I'm so you came. When he died how old was he he he all right? It is going to do that. What he di- of Drummer so I wouldn't be surprised? Yeah he was. That's where I got the knack for the want performing because nobody really wants to do this. If you see too much of it you know right now but not nearly as cool thing but Yeah no unfortunately fortunately passed the cancer when he was forty six I was fifteen and then you moved back with your mom. Yeah Yeah We. He luckily luckily had a good job. So we got a little pension saved up and all those things to cash in so we just roll the dice and moved away. And how come Maui. Maui is where my anti-china was living and she's he's my blood she's my dad's sister. Yeah hat so She was kind of my connection to my wine heritage so we decided to just bad with author bought a house together and figured it out. Damn sucks Taddeo. Can't what kind of cancer As called Narrow Nasal Farren Geel Gluck doc Gloss Soma. I can't even sounded on the scrabble board or anything He as a really rare one. But apparently it's in Polynesian specifically Hawaiians is kind of common. Oh and it's already terry so you're getting it. congrats ninety percent. I mean really I can always take destiny my own hands and hit a bus or something you know those at that exactly might have gotten it though statistically damp so you hear fifteen so from fifteen to a new just left like a couple of years ago. Yeah Yeah just left about three years ago. Yeah so how long have here four about that would be twenty years ago. Close to that ranch about about that. So okay so Maui oh you know more than the other islands. I'm sure but like you were giving me a little history of Hawaii. I wanted to hear about it to have like how these islands became first of all. I don't know how far back you want to go. So yeah I guess I I always thought it was interesting. I guess far backwards. Like how do you even find this place. So apparently the first sellers nyland arrived around. Five hundred eighty okay. That's what we've been able to carbon dated as well as I said. No one was here before that we it was an a creation process us because Ireland's a relatively new all how how About fifteen thousand years as far as like land mass. That's really knew. And when he takes into account like how long it takes vegetation tation to occur volcanic ash to settle all the things that Iceland volcanic lava and then slowly you have to have like a speck of dust come over and then like now's a little dirt pretty much tougher seed to seed comes if in the wind or on our Burchett. We're lucky enough to be right in the middle of the ocean so it was algae eighty out. There's a lot of ocean. Algae was able to grow up from the front so it started as like you know green rocks and those started to more than once it became a landmass. There were any type of birds that might have migrated through the area founded as a place to stop so they dropped their seed. They're shit you know so it grew but a about five hundred. Eighty was the first when the oral oral history because everything in Hawaii oral history up until about seventeen seventy four. They landed why not It was just our custom. That wasn't Tomlin. By the way we talk about on stage too tall mood. Nothing tore apart but the other part. That's all supposed to be oral. I'll really wrote down like a couple of hundred years ago for the first time because because of persecution is GonNa get lost yeah I mean When somebody threaten us all of your lives at once I mean yeah you gotTa Kinda Start Right when she can't yeah? Yeah that's the winds are going through something similar anyway but yeah yeah so I ask. People about five hundred. Eighty came from where we don't know there's a lot of traditional history as far as where they could have come from. I mean there's like the decision islands the heat we don't know. Where did they start? Oh it's it's all a sweeping pattern of human migration I it's all posts ice ice age stuff that happened in Indonesia and then the pendulum breaking and all these things things of that sort of like. Oh I can understand like Australia. Like let's say it was all panners. Jerry broke out for a United States broke off and it's like Oh there are people are there and they kind of moved off with it. You know right so it's like that make sense but when it's like no there was these islands came after all that it's like how do I think the thing that we don't account for is where human civilization could have been before our recorded. History even with like mapping shutout technology. I just think it it's possible. I don't know the big gap and time passed where we don't really have anything to talk about. I guess about five five hundred years later came to Hawaii and they found that they're already people living there so that they start. He came to Hawaii found pupil already. They're already there. There were indigenous engineers people. There are big time they were supposed to be very big me. People apparently yeah like very small people and the story is that. There's the Hawaiian legend of Menes. which is like mischievous pranksters that steal your keys when you're not looking or they have the missing sock in your drier? That's kind of those are. The Hawaii is really based on the original people that live there and they were forced to pretty much live into the woods after that become these mythological creatures when really they were just kind of like an inbred group of people. You only got five people on an island and then all of a sudden you've got twenty five. There's no way you're not fucking each other all right. It's just family science. I guess. Yeah so they all just evolved. Smaller all apparently had exaggerated features. Larger is like pointy ears. Yes and that's just like oh they looked mischievous but that's inbreeding. Traits jacked up teeth and things like that speak. Language just giggled a lot and just tacos pretty much for food five hundred years of being the only people once by just picking the same pineapples over not only that was before pineapples had had made it because pineapples vote they came later. Yeah and and Back then it was just Tarot with zero. That's AH yeah. So Tarot is the route that poise. POI- comes okay. It's a plant. That's actually high in protein. They just had that and what else and and fish and what they had around them offense. Yeah and I think bananas made it out yet either so wasn't till the tesions began coming over ver- and settling and and you know bringing stuff there coconuts robot from the DVD. I believe and Then they started connecting the triangle trade which was was a Fiji Tonga and all the other Polynesian Islands Kinda came together and figured out how to how to get to each other. They created the triangle angle sale where you can sail against the wind and shit which is some of the English and even have yet triangle sale. Yeah the Hawaiian had triangle shaped sales. So you can swim so you literally sail into the wind and still catch a breeze to really to lift you into it. Yeah wow the as long as you took like maybe a two degree angle. You could always catch win. Ohio interests I e. English ships weren't aren't even able to do this. This is technology. They'd never figured out until they came away and then they're like a big problem. They came and they started doing what they tried to do. With the native Americans. They tried the blanket trick on us. They did yeah. And Captain Cook. Yeah seventeen seventeen seventy four. I know somebody came two years after the country became a country. Sorry what seventy seventy six was when declaration of independence without the United States pending. Yeah so we were still not attached at the time. Of course course Captain Cook came and he's like oh I was just happened upon her. He kinda happened upon it. He came to Kobe which means I believe he was sailing from Asia. Trying to go around and figure out what was what was further. Establish a new trade route to the western America's because and see how big America was really captain. Cook also the one that went to Shanghai and plenty of worship of Shanghai surrender all plaza. Sharyo MHM. That was also Captain Carlos Kentucky. He was a notorious piece of shit. dirtbag yes he because they told me this in China where it was like he was like you have to do trade with us. We'll give the opium like we don't really want him. No you have to get you sell a silk. We'll give you open and return like we don't want your opium man and he kept saying no you should take it and then like look. We don't want if you're a by the celtics fine like no you gotta take from us like we don't want anything from you. I think you should think the opium young and then eventually starts blasting audio and then they're like fucking. I'm fine I guess and the opium destroyed. Yeah exactly and that was. That was another one of the intentional Types of mass control. They tried drug drug addiction to Hawaiians as well where they sit with the they've been successful. Yeah they just dot com. We like the booze native Americans did not have before. No No. And that's that's the thing about booze is a lot of people. Don't understand if you don't have the the generations of of booze wrecking your family. You don't have the antibodies so a lot of times you have like allergies. That's why that's what happened to the native America exactly tournament of different people. Because they didn't have the genealogy for the Indians coming out of our friend Eddie when he got to punitive blackout. You look at it. I mean like the Indians here like ten percent native until it was like no no memories are made right now and then if it goes like the savage have it just I can say that we're so he brought he brought alcohol and that's alcohol or drugs alcohol. I think there was there were. They didn't really talk about it much in our history recited and of course they won't talk about their history But he long story short he kidnapped Prince mess of the island away. That wasn't inappropriate. People were giving our people committee A- and because his sailors were I talked about in Shanghai as well they were known for being the pillage village the village and rape style of sailors too. It's a winning move. It's Hobart history is really panned out and that's how you can you know Oh really just instill a permanent yeah. We're there some blue eyes. I got a summer home in Hawaii so when he can't because when he came I became clients thought that he was their ancestors because we had a myth that our ancestors would come back to us on the floating islands which was galley ship right massive combat anything. Exactly we've never had we. We had a team of canoes. That would go and travel with that. Same thing inside that mostly what you guys had pretty much. Then they made bigger your ships after of course being inspired but for the most part we didn't really need big. We had outrigger ships. That was rigger canoes so we saw ships come into golf. And they're all white. Yeah yeah so the Pale to us. They look like ancestors they look like you know are people who have passed on in her ghostly and winds have green called Baha where where we put our heads together and we breathe the breath and they didn't they just like my word you know froze up and Toward we thought that they didn't didn't have air in the lungs so the term Howley which is the racist against white people I love and she told me they taste. So Holly is based off of Ha which is the breadth or the greeting and only only which is Hawaiian for without. Wow so it used to mean without breath like the breathless people but then as time went on and we realized it wasn't breath they were lacking king matters. It was a good house guests so holly became like without soul if it is one of my favored derogatory word. It's tight and it's the only one that gets white people Does it apply to black tourists. Also those are those are Polo's a polo. You you gotta wait for for black people too so it's not foreigners now a lot of times it's just foreign on sometimes that becomes why people the only directly to the colonizers wow yeah and it's the most spiteful way of ever heard a white person hurtful and you know not gonNa never caught on here. Here's here's the one that hurts the most when you catch it for Hawaiian friend. Not being conscious conscious. You'd like what are you in Holly. He's a really hurts. Man When when one of your friends compares you to Holly. Yeah Oh man there's no there's no worse stuff from a fellow land. It's fighting words. Why would you say to somebody when they're doing? What just like Dick say like you? You didn't open the door for this guy's anti when she was walking in the way you want Holly open-door fantasy yeah it's like what would you saw him. Yeah I love that word. I love that word. Yeah beefy wondered so anyway Captain Cook. Overstate is welcome. He left he did. He did The blankets thing with what What was the blankets? Civilised yeah it was it was disease blankets points like. Hey It's pretty high here. We don't need these one of our got sick. You Might WanNa Watch these and then just kind of brush it off and like all right. That didn't work so miscommunication happened. Prince got got kidnapped the Prince back then guys Communication Abbott but They weren't supposed to do that. But wasn't the the men on board. We're not suppose kidnapper prince but as they were leaving port. It was too late. They had kidnapped two prints. They're just like fuck yourself remembers the pillagers. They're drunk syphilis. Ridden August grab a Captain Cook. No you're saying Captain Cook had no idea. They had the principal until report doesn't matter they made it back to the to the mainland anti America to not England. They're going back to England. Oh my God does along sale and and then made it back. They reported that we found these islands to beautiful Jane. Islands lottery sources Blah Blah Blah and. Kevin Cooks like. I'll go back. Healy brings the people. Well I'll go back. They love me there. They think there God while but as time has going on where he's in England they're back in Hawaii going this motherfucker. Her stole are prints store Prince Burner women eight or food like fuck shit up and left like that guy better not come back. He better not come back and where they're planning for him like if he does will be ready once they understood that it wasn't their God and it wasn't their ancestors but it was just another a group of people then there prioritizes switched. They're like we're not when we're not thinking about our ancestors coming back now we're thinking about foreigners coming back. I can doing something like that. And if they ha- all foreigners have what they have these big ships with mass sailing capabilities. I mean they weren't able to communicate much but they were able to communicate indicate that they came from far away. And that's super intriguing to so now are we just lions. Your world is like pretty small it just blew the fuck. Oh yeah they pretty much try had to tell us how many moons it took for them to get get over here all Hawaiians navigation by stars so before this. Let's say I'm I'm Hawaiian living on the big island or Maui is the is the furthest Furthest East no that would be neat. How neat okay? So what's happened there. That's his West furthest east. would be big island okay. Okay and I'm like well. This is the end. I WanNa go to these other places. I go west northwest or southwest. But that's the Fijian talk toggle Togo. Whatever just like there's no east no now suddenly? There's yeah and suddenly there's like what do you mean what were they just thought it was like just like water forever like these are the only landmasses assist had no idea. They're not there's no concept at all we knew is that there are several islands. We thought the world was water. And that we're there was islands. May perhaps there was islands further out but there's is no concept of size. There's no grasp of how big the world actually wants to our new until until they made contact. That was huge because because we kind of had once they told us how many moons took for them just to get to us it. Kinda give us an idea of distance because we knew how many moons it take to get to you know. We know how many any sun cycles it took years to. Td You know we. We understood that and when you put in a frame of understanding than they're like Oh fuck. How long did it take to go back to England It only took them about I think about six or seven months to seven months and then took the same amount to get back. I think it took him a little less because he's able to map around now that it wasn't newer headaches flooring the sport and he showed up shouldn't go thought it would so what happened. The entire crew was seized because they used to trace where they would trade like a mirror for like three like trade a piece of mirror for a ridiculous resources because they've never seen a mirror for me. Is that what I look like talking crazy. That's what this what you look like. Can you imagine seeing that there's like. TV They just traded TV for some shit and really. They're getting the run the deal but they didn't never coconuts. It's like hell dude so much resource even taken women back to. They took they took if you went back to really. Yeah but those were. I think I think a lot of those were permissible. So what do you mean like I think I think they want to go. Check it out there like all right. I'm tired of tires out. Yeah Yeah fucking coconut so They got back and it was like they just like wrote a bar aboard. The hawaiians fully plotted on them. They they allow them to land. Dan gave him the greeting. And they said what's up. Come come and they thought they kill everybody. Eight Captain Cook they did the atom and cannibalism was not out of common practice in Hawaii. It was not something that we did to to strengthen us is something that we did to demean you when you eight somebody you turn them in to shit and that was that was the mini behind the capital wasn't like eat his heart for the spirit world. Fuck this guy. He's Shit Tournament. Anybody they send anybody pretty back Yes yes but it was more kind of like okay. We don't know where it workout cook went. He was supposed to come here. We're all like like we don't know what happened to that. Captain what do you mean so for years there was an a missile. 'cause coins. Don't speak English yet. We we just met England so in in more diplomats coming over. We just played stupid like what happened to conduct. No also was a six month. Jury ships here. Ship is here We made that shift. That's our ship. Were talking about this. Look those triangle sales those those are so instead of turning it into a negative relation where it could have easily gone as it's got many times they saw and I different for potential where eventually Eventually Sandalwood was discovered in Hawaii or a patch of it so that they could grow it here so the continue to cultivate cultivate that and then they found us to be the best growing climate for everything so the coffee. The coffee later is more Pineapples Coconuts sugarcane coconuts. Weren't here naturally No I think they're about my Tahiti if I'm not mistaken and by the way. I'm only part Hawaiian so anything I'm getting wrong is my fault and I totally take squarely. Majorities whatever yeah they lived here for noth- your I have to answer to but that's that's that's my life now. Yours only negative counsel Don. I didn't know anything and then it'd be like you've never seen cool on APU brow as you say the word because has no. He's GonNa know what I'm saying. That's the prince that the was but at one point a Hawaiian King and Queen went to England and died out there and that made some issues but as this was all going on and Hawaii start growing fruit vegetables all that stuff we ended up becoming one of the richest nations in the world. We started exporting sugar cane especially during the war world war or civil war sugar was super needed. We started with a nation who was our nation at the time how sovereignty we had queen. We gotta go back at later. Figure that that's a couple of hundred years after the Captain Cook thing more. So what happened. After Captain Cook was religion missionaries came started trying to get winds the where close. Yeah made the Hulu legal because sexual dance to white people would never seen him. Yeah I mean it looks at how they do. It's more interesting than other fast one. You're thinking of Asian. WHO has the more slow in Pencil? Ah Yes hotter sex here. It's it's classic but they did a lot of things. One of my favorite stories about Hawaiians the missionaries is that a when machines. I came all the winds are naked. Men Women did mattered. Hot Tubs. But they showed up like Oh. Yeah you have to wear clothes before you come into the church that we're building for you so he's is left out. A big pile of clothes gathered the clothes and they went back to the houses and it came back for church. And like the first guy showed up. And it's documented this actual history. He he showed up with a top hat and comer bone the comer bun with his checkout. Just completely naked adornment. Everybody's coming wearing wearing dresses wrong and like a guy's wearing address. Yeah nobody told amount of workloads. Oh look at least we're gonNA genes are shaw. It just start church but in that amount of time. They're able to turn their language into written to the Hawaiian language is was now. Oh put into text so that all of our oral traditions and histories were able to be documented. And what symbols do they use for that. It's written in the English language but there's only thirteen letters because we're heavy vowel. Your I know a lot of out with breaks and is that why. Why do they overvalue the vows? So much much I think it was just what we felt natural speaking tongue yet. But if you go all across Polynesia we have pretty similar languages just like Tonga. Has a heavier like chop sound to it. With heavy teas and dis someone was like really heavy. Like these bs like. It's weird the consonants. Just this change as he sweep further. Weird East Yeah. Hey that Hula Hula hoops hula-hoop the Hula skirt the Hula Dancing. Yeah is that you look at that now. Because we were waiting for carpet we saw one. One of those Luau. Is that like black face. Yeah I'd patties like no one's doing that on their own right It depends yeah. It's black face it. I mean it's just there for the tourists. Yes I mean we don't it. Sounds like you're doing it wearing an Indian costume on Halloween. You know some people are gonNA be like Hey. Are you a native American costume. Like are you a native American but there's also doing it right well the stuff that this ABC store no answer buying. I can tell you know I mean the people putting on the shows. Yes yeah that's different. Yeah those are actual coconuts and those. They probably made their own costumes. But that's but like no one's doing that if not for the tourists well or my Rahula was originally done topless. Yeah so the coconut adornments are really just to fit the western ideal of appropriate to a topless. Yeah that'd be way better. I mean that's how it was done. All with the fire and Shit like they want the real reason for the Lao when they had those parties with killing a pig and fucking you know all making the things and the due to the fire dancing and all that chat everything was based on the Kapalua system where everybody had to pull their own weight in order to gain a cop couples that you're not allowed to do certain things. There's like certain certain men donate with women women administrating. They're in their own tent. There's all types of stuff. There's all types of these these rules. But the the Luau was kind of Flaka a way of acknowledging everybody putting in their effort. Like everybody's here we can all we can all enjoy together like this. We've reached a point of of sustenance limerick beyond harvest or any like one will do to allure spring and summer. There's no harvest season. It's all whoever they do a lot with the reason just when things were good the things are great and work was done and I can criticize like the whoever is in charge having a party. Yeah second third. We'll oh blue allies I mean as far as when the westerners came we I mean. We didn't even call them Lou Party. You know what I mean. That's just what it is. We danced with saying we felt we share stories. We tell her history all over again to each other and those are all informed Song. The chanting that we do is kind of a song but See what I was thinking about that I was going to go on a tangent about the chanting and I forgot. Oh so the people who chanted the thing that's crazy about them is that their only job in life was chance it's really to know the chance by heart and to get them right. If you said a chant wrong in front of an elite who is like a a royal breeze or you know Kinda like the royalty and area. Yeah you were killed is that you fucked up. You had one job and he knew all the chance by heart that that's that's one of the things us that they had to know as the history of people in order to rule the people properly. Wow so then king command happen. It was a king that tried to unify the how the white nights before that each one kind of its own nation. They ran their own politics. They traded with each other they. They hung out sometimes they award. And this is before. But this was like okay so it was like the Hawaiian islands are separate from Tahiti Islands. Yes so they were like different island chain. It's further away. Yeah so the ones here wii in Maui and need how all of them were like sort of like thing. But we're all sort of not Tahiti right or right. There was unity amongst them or were they understood that. We're all kind of in this together and we had some islands that have different sources than the other so we had to work together in order to complete our our settling. I guess but So like I need would you got lots of would you don't have whatever but we're polytheists so so as far as what. I different. Islands kind of focused on different guys like the God. Maui is the one who pulled all the island's out of the ocean with his giant net. That's Maui Maui. Silent strength because we're the ones that hooky all islands out at the bottom of the ocean. That's what you really do. I mean we're really just in the Senate and we had the most points. What's that with most here? We have the most Tarot with richest deposit. Okay which meant we had the most protein with Villanova should we were known to be bigger than most other Hawaiians. Because we're the warring island. Maui was like the the world Muslim warriors came from why because of the food source and the way the culture of the island there are very strong culture versus. Did that more soft voice after the what you call it Poi- Yeah No. Would you call Tarot Tarot column. Okay to your native Americans. They they have a you. You can't really like spice them too much. Because they're like beggars. There have such spicy food that there's no going too far for them yeah because is that's what I grew up on it and so it's like it's just natural to you guys the ones who grew up here. Let's say back that. Could they like taste. Good Poi- were they like someone's like no. This is a good one. I suppose I've had like five six dollars. An Hour. Bland wallpaper paste with their pal doc. Unrefined with this is good. It's LAWF- it's more like the availability like we didn't really have a lot to that pace no joy in food or was it just like I need this resistance I mean there was joy but it wasn't we didn't he didn't have a lot of gluttonous behavior because I on an island. We understand that the the resources are always limited. That you you never have enough to take too much. That's what the COP who system was based on a lot to was we would monitor the fish numbers and if our fishing ponds certain number of fish was lo que cop with his fish cannot catch this fishery now. The governor the illegal the lead the Eliya radio talk about harvesting and they was like you know I didn't listen. Mike Crop or crop told me wasn't time but harvested anyway. Now I'm suffered. I broke my leg and you know I suffered because of that and then the DJ again. No for sure happens to me to say no. And that's why the answer why It's so weird. Though a relation to they must be on Iowa route. Yeah I mean it seems like it for sure hippies. I've never had a plan talk to me. I mean me and also does his back like there's low numbers have gotTA stop. It's sort of talking to you but when there's a why and then answer me once again. I'm only quarter white. Maybe the maybe they they want to talk to me about holiday toy holiday. No Way I'm proof of the oppression. How so so okay? So the separate nation-states sort of. Yeah whatever so command is that unified them. He wears even Maui No uh-huh Oh my God. I think I could be wrong though so if I'm wrong I'm going to wet the most people I'm going to get murdered Molly actually close to a million at the time. So it's it's crazy to think how many within the now. Yeah it's crazy to think the population possibilities. At one point. There could have been a million people in Hawaii without cities or any any of this infrastructure. Just all random villages and and enclaves let alone people on farms but once command start growing dying by the thousands. Because does he was the king that may trade deal with with the Westerners. We'll just weird to see. Because we're furthest West. But with the the Europeans he he was the first monarch to trade with them and in turn he got cannons as far as trade fairly not for like two pigs for a mirror shit so so he. He was the first to own a Canon and he used that in warfare and western weapons rifles. Stuff like that. It's just destruction. You would think it'd be decimation summation but because of Especially Molly he met the the most resistance and then quietly he never was able to capture it. They eventually surrendered on their own accord. Because they'd rather it be a peaceful a peaceful march because they had the best strategy of leading him along the Ridge Along the Ridge depleting resources the Napoleon him they the main fight a war. He wasn't ready to fight. Like how Well quays all ridge line. Yeah so they made him try to pull the the cannon through that ridgeline and you can't drag Kanak farce eventually they abandoned the cannon and they just moved their sources but that whole Ridge leads into a valley and they surrounded Dr. Yeah and there's no way to get into the valley only because it's not it's not oceanside it's a little bit inland so once. They made it into the valley. They realized they were surrounded. They realized they were cut off the resources and there is like a peaceful. We re relinquishing command left the continue. Yeah and He came back and they're able to peacefully negotiate unification advocation islands so King Kamehameha. was there two years before captain. Cook no no. He was there after Africa. Which Captain Cook it was not a yes sure it was already a like a country though Hawaii it was I mean it was his own monarchy as far as as hard there was a king in all of Hawaii not each each island? Let's see okay. So yes Ma'am did happen. After Captain Cook I was right with that so so there was no unified Hawaii before that no it was each nose. They govern themselves Politically at ease type thing They had this. There is some had who they called the king. And they're like no. This is the true king. And everyone's like yeah. Whatever we the North North Archaic why by then reliance over? Yeah all right whatever your king okay. And then he came by and it's like Nah Fuck King King but it's funny because he bought aww cannon but he didn't buy enough cannonballs for each cannibals he just started shoving rocks and they're shooting rockets. Shooting Confetti Roxette exit people who came but Katzman Iron so lasted now. He was also rumored to be close to eight feet tall by the way really. Yeah and efforts before like now that's not true. And then they exhumed skeleton close to the rock that he supposedly moved and the and they checked the FEMUR. And they're like Yo. This dude is like fucking for real superstars. toots like tall. Wasn't the Queen. I remember the Queen and some of this stuff. They put up in hotels built on their graves. You know where they're like she. He was really in charge. I don't know which queen this was of like preserving Hawaiian like dialogue like language Or the final queen of maybe that that'd be Queen Lili'uokalani Okay yes. She was the last Queen to sit on the ground and she was the one that fought hardest to keep Hoy's independence because they're not join America so fast forwarded allow so I so I write trade right before. That is the fruit stuff I was talking about. Where Dole plantation came in started growing pineapples? Here we started growing sugar. We started importing migrants from Japan Portugal and Dolan. Those companies use that the way we do it in Venezuela where it's just like we're just GonNa like have our corporations kind of buy up your land pretty much like most of your land is kind of already ours. We didn't have the concept of land ownership so once Dole all came in we started. They started talking to queens and King and they found They're the ones who found out that we're the richest nation the world at one point where close to at least if not really actual because of all this trade and all the resource right. There's no place with an abundant resource available to trade. So they managed to find a way to convince our king to grant land ownership to to to corporations that were making the island prosperous and it was it was written in a way that was obviously. Initially they were using English against people who had only been speaking it for maybe maybe a hundred and fifty years that make sense of course and they totally they lawyers US lured us. And I think that's what's what's perpetuity me in south and that was the beginning it's started there and then that just let them justify their own actions and then opened the door for them to argue about allowing foreigners to own land in Hawaii and then opened the door for people to own excessive amounts of land of Hawaii as as you can afford it by the market standards at the time. Which of course was like five dollars an acre? You're thinking about Hawaiian land now. And if you're a real estate agent listen to this you're like yeah walks in there. That was that was the hot time so and it was pretty much just all infrastructure being laid to take around from US right right. 'cause they're everywhere they're coming into like like WHOA P- make will bring this won't mind your car or your oil to pass the to it now. You're now you're need the pass more we keep giving t shirts you gotta pay so now. You're you need us and then it's like now we're taking the resources out like now. We can't do anything on and it took him a hundred years longer longer to establish a Hawaiian homes protection group. Put back to allow Hawaiian to to give small portion Atlanta's a- as rightfully theirs because it was a family land but because there's no property lines device it was sold by the people who sold our company who sold our country and they're like which. Unfortunately what do you mean. I'm I'm living here. You can't sell my shit which unfortunately was our own people who we were sold our own people but the actions of some completely screwed that the the lives of many and and that's just what happens with corruption with corruption. Power and Lili'uokalani is actually where the tail of sovereign Hawaiian Sovereignty Hawaiians because She was fighting for as long as she could. And then the American government stormed by force. They didn't kill anybody but there's a show for us. Many any weapons many soldiers and they held her house arrest and they told her that she couldn't leave until she signed the treaty document. Why for no there wasn't like you attacked us where intact knows like no we want those arrests and if it's not here was this was in nineteen was this was so the occupation itself? I got in my notes. It's because I am not that studious So accession treaty have happens around eighteen ninety seven so until becomes Puerto Rico. They'll pretty much okay. But here's the fucked up. Lili'uokalani never signed the treaty but her signature was forged. While and. Yeah the Clintons have even apologized apologised but not like but we're giving it back. They acknowledged that it's a fraudulent document. Which means that Hawaii technically as an estate right right now the change that check right down that hey reo but there's Seri- when they're like humanitarian reasons than we're leaving? Don't worry we got the oil the oil. What are you talking about the oil oil? Yeah I thought that was just humanity. People dying would say we've got the oil out of the ground is no no longer land so they just put an outsourced didn't even work. She resisted. She says and then she wrote the Song Aloha which is a low. Aw sounds like that. Sounds like a sweet song right. What is it? It's the saddest fucking song ever written in which it's it's literally saying goodbye to our ways goodbye to our culture goodbye to our people to buy to everything we know. Oh No that's it. He's played so much. It's so sad guide or anybody any Hawaiian. Who knows what? The words of that song means knows the appropriate time to play that song which is damn near Never. Yeah it is one of the most hauntingly sad songs that you couldn't even tell and that's why she made it like that was so that that she can play the song for her people without with exactly the data wasn't Judaism exactly or tops. Each letter represents something so you can like talk about Jewish history. The Romans killing you or like couple effort South Americans lives. They're hiding the martial arts and dance so that they could it turns out it's not that effective I don't know if you ask Frank Dukes from blood sport. I love when I seen replaced. That people like joined a bunch of flips and becomes Indiana Jones into a bunch of like flips and handsome guy just like like fucking knocks him out so she fought to protect the language and keep it like killer because there's no other state Louisiana's similar which is also Louisiana's than American gods It's not really America. It was just in it because of the the borders the land mount is really Elliott's own country. Yeah if you talk about like their gods and their history oh absolutely unrelated especially with a wrench occupation to changing the way. Yeah so it's like it's its own thing. It's a Quebec Hawaii. I also is. Its own thing so you guys have your own language in the street signs everywhere they forget about the animals but even like regular stuff use different words for it. Yeah was that all her. We'll know the language was already in place but we That was protecting. Yeah that took a that was like a gray area. That happened over mountain because at that point we were just annex. Yeah so we are still technically nation. But we're operating under the guise of the United States As Katori a military strategic point a resource standpoint. So it's not like they're like a pimp. We had pair anything with a nobody could attack piles of nobody else was but we have to report your numbers numbers you're part of our GDP now and we get to claim you as our income for the world just to show him how rich we are a flex Any point they could have taken. They had the weapons. So who cares and state so that didn't happen until D day until we're too. Yeah they still were in Ah Territory wait. What was D day? Was that Pearl Harbor. December nineteen forty two a day. That's eleven infamy Pearl Harbor. Yeah I'm sorry I meant for Normandy right. Yeah sorry him a vape pen too much. Sorry let's recap Pearl. Oh Harbor Pearl Harbor is what happened. That was not a state that it was just an outpost it was still a territory then and then they use the the Japanese attack and the threat of more tax and the heinous tragedy. That happened that US as a platform to induct Hoyas Estate Hawaii fighter What they pushed for it at that point where fighting a lot of things they had given us a war on multiple fronts of protecting our culture protecting our language protecting our Hula? Protecting our allows protecting our sacred areas are holidays are places where people were buried So it it. We were distracted and at that point once we saw what real threat it looked like with air bombings and shit like that. Yeah we're ready to. We're ready to kind of at least get the defense from that and that was and now it's it's hard hard. It's hard to see it as anything other than like. WE'RE WATCHING MOVES TO CHECKMATE. Yeah watching what watching the final moves to checkmate where it's no longer. It's our land but nobody nobody else knows how to take care of it. So it's going to belong to somebody else you don't think so no hundred gonNA. Why not? What an adult company? How to make Xeloda fucking duck but it was all mine all the resources sources fuck it up? What do you mean so one? Good example The way that water flows in Hawaii enormous starts in essentially mountains. What's often a natural aquifer These aquifer is lead straight to the ocean and these are where we planted our Tara patches the long flowing water because that's where the root system gathers now the thing is when you end up at the bottom of these basins towards as the beach there marshland happy built on their Land Zoe shifting and a lot of the people who survey the land. Don't listen to the police. Don't listen to the the way the lay the of land because they just want money. Yeah so and building houses and swampland houses start thinkin value started going down. That's just one little bit is saving Louisiana. They start messing up the march. Yeah like turning it around in the water table. Yeah and then it's like now it's like floods don't have anywhere to sink in so just floods everything exactly and that's just one thing. The waterfall and why is big is especially as where it starts in the mountain. What's it called freshwater? Yeah Yeah we're we're one of the wettest places in the world and when when people try to tap into our water flow just takes a little bit off and then each one takes a little bit off next to you know if the water sources and making all the way down to the key off the hills can be able to study that and reliable from mountain to ocean if it doesn't complete circuit but it's like you know it it's you don't think some fucking iron culture culture major at Cal Davis would be like let me study with one of those guys now Haguenau I know get rid of bureaucracy accounted for those people but when it comes to money and nobody he wants to weigh right and when people say why not. They're not listening to the answer. They're just hearing an obstruction to why so to. Why Cam what do Hawaiians? And maybe it's different per island but what winds think of tourists varies okay. The various I mean for a lot of Hawaiians earliest locals. Their income is dependent on the tour. So I mean we understand. We also sell them. We'd and drugs and inflated prices so I mean a nice source of income You know as just like anybody where it's like you're cool until proven otherwise right. You know we're going to assume that you're right right person but if if we're if we're visually able to size somebody up an already established that no. They're they're not. I mean you know the different types were walking on the beach and we're like those old guys with like I'm I'm on vacation it's like I'm wearing a short sleeved. button-down shirt kids find some POKKA. Lolo yeah yeah those guys yeah. We'll we'll Selma gram for fifty bucks sixty bucks and make some money but they they know what it is to Maui Wowie from here originally from your. Oh yes. It's my favorite. It's it's apparently. It's been slightly polluted since the original release of it but That's happened always. I mean it was the first weed where I was like. I smoked okay when I was like going into Spencer to the first time. And like you know in La and it was like you know. Sometimes it makes you fucking zonked out get your real creative and I remember something real creative having look whatever and then then happening again I was like oh I think this is the leftover from that and it was like wow and I went to work more this and every time it's fucking right. Eight like shit was crazy much. Made Me Mines Oji cush. That's good. That's delays me. I'm a high tolerance guy too. There's a comedy storage Kush. Yeah yeah I try it yeah So that's how you feel that's worth what about like places like Hawaii where it's this way more. It's less like Lena. So it's like Airbnb is here like that kind of like in Geneva in Spain though I get the fuck Outta here. He's running away of life. So airbnb be is done out here but people frown upon it and if people within the community find out you're doing it they'll they'll ostracize you bet because you're raising rent for everybody else around here. It does not as limited housing right but also people who live here and don't come here year round. They're only here for like three or four and they land right so she just leave your house. Aw I mean I can spend it or you can get some places I think in Barcelona you get six weeks of air being being well. Let's say other forty six is not allowed this just to live in it man better. Have some family visit or something. Yeah they've been signs up going like your every home that goes to airbnb is a home that a local can't get. Yeah and it put signs finds out from under PATIOS and it's like they're really like don't do this. I think we're close to that. Because we are getting priced out of her housing here in Hawaii and it's not a secret right. It's it's it's got to the point where we've had like natural disasters happening really rich areas. And they're like quick at the firefighters over here like they got drive across town because they can't afford live here man. It's just did you forget about that Shit when you lock people out. Yeah Yeah it's creepy right like thinking about places like Malibu. Malibu fire happened. I'm sure that was one of the issues. was nobody was before Ford live there. There's no firefighters that can afford to live Malibu so they had to drive from surrounding areas to try to put out fires and then it's too late. Yeah get open your doors. y'All The drugs here there are. I don't know about the gangs and stuff. It's like linked up with those but like there are some hard hard drug. Yes here That that was due to green harvest in the In the eighties or is that is a green harvest was an operation started by the Reagan Front To control the wheat operations growing. And why so they start flying with a heat gun and the helicopter and finding yeah and starting to America trimming our forest and screwing over the sugar cane growers because that's where they grew was in the patches in the middle so So what happened around that time. Like fuck all these wines like now. We can't get stony anywhere like weeds too expensive now. This bikers came over like well. We got this meth And it's like five bucks a pop really and winds are like meth. That sounds interesting interesting. I'm going to try some of that. Meth WHOA yeah. That's math. Yes achieve drug and then without having any of the facts indication we start buying up meth because Reagan had no problem taking away the drugs over there but he didn't he did have a problem. Educating people on what drugs were addictive and which ones weren't yet. Because they were like. We don't do that. No we're all wrong. We'd is heroin the idea that you can just take away. It seems I don't really know enough about the research but it seems like if you take away a drug the idea is they're not gonna do that drug anymore but it's like no they don't understand is people need an escape alcohol drugs whatever and if you take it away they'll find another one. Yeah the hot fucking AH shadows pipes people have shit you can you can. Shit Najar fermenting. Huffman get high by the way. I hope children don't do that. It's not worth it but you can't people people want African countries do that 'cause the the resource of getting high and Solo. They do to do what you can. Damn but people don't WanNa get higher going to get high time the way you're not gonNa stop that no seems like what else does your specific to Hawaii. Seem super laid back. The accent is even like a slow. Were talking it's like you can get water from over there. That store get water extended heart go. There's like ten percents it's lower than it. There's a rhythm to it. As Island. Talk is like Jamaica uses her talk. It sounds like a song like if I was going to say. Hey you WANNA come to a party. friends house. Tonight I got a bunch of people going about a check out. The body bag choked people going. That sounds cool cool. It sounds like a song. It's the way that we talked to each other. So it's really. Yeah and it's. It's a mix of Hawaiian with a little bit of Filipino. A little bit of Portuguese limit Japanese all all the people who work the sugar cane fields. Yeah it was a language I was created so that everybody could speak the same language Oh Jews can speak the NFL from another country. The language anguish of the hardest working is all the people who are working in the fields and talk that now and that linked everybody up. Okay so I want to ask you because we have limited time shows about sir. Sorry I know I wanna ask you about comedy here but I want to ask you like. Is there racism here. Yes where it's like the darker more Hawaii looking people. Yes is the answer. Because it's white Hawaiians Hawaiian born here. I'm a light skin and went. Yeah Okay So. What's the racism here so happens in levels If you're full blood let Hawaiian you pretty much. Get overall say on Hawaiian politics if I if I was getting to a political argument with a whole foot Hawaiian Yeah Hubei. But but you don't understand why you would never understand. Wow and that's just how it goes and I'd have to understand that so like if I was to take the argument my white friend and tried to talk about his woes. He'd like there's no the way you could understand because you're not fluently. A percentage exactly so it's a weird middle ground be but As far as racism goes. There's a lot of other cultures to us like a Portuguese are kind of like the Polish remake Portuguese. Joe You may dis what we call them putting putting jokes the same way you make polack jokes. Well it's the same dumb blonde jokes. You know what I mean You know cultures are kind of similar. Are the Brownie like the Brown. The Hawaiian Brown It's more like a red Ed. Yeah are they. Higher up than whites are lower I assume blacks are the were some of the worst. It depends on where standing. Okay it depends if you're standing understanding with the locals then the Dr Coin Guy. That's that's you. That's you need him. He's your bargaining chip especially personally gaining street credit. Yeah person like me. That's that's my bottom. That shows every all the other bodies he shows that I belong. So it's but if you're talking about like who owns Thailand right now. It's the Japanese politically really. Yeah in our politics. Saw Japanese politicians lie a lot of its Asian market interest. I mean probably talking about some shit. That's that might get me in trouble. Why the the the Monica issue that's happening in the mountain protests and all that what special interest for building a PMT telescope? That's something completely different where The government's governments talking about allowing a company to build a thirty meter telescope but it would up revenue in Hawaii because military presence and all that stuff but at the same time. That's more one of our most sacred spots why It's it's about that. We're not allowed to build on period and they're doing it anyway and then they try to anyway but there's been protest test the government starting to side with us a little bit but I mean we have a full board. The government's always like we can use the money but they're like we don't want the money for this right but the the majority of the Political Board in Hawaii is not Hawaiian. Very few Hawaiians actually tells the Gabbard Hawaii I don't know if she's went by blood but she's definitely borne raised so far I mean we respect her. We love her but she says she's a minority so I don't know what else would be Gabbard. What's Gabbard is that I don't know what yeah? Yeah it's it's I mean. Yes there's there's racial friction. Yeah it boils over. Sometimes sometimes of white dude will get his ass kicked by local guy just because just because you know sometimes we'll have a a C. Hawaiians fight. Yeah they were very punched. UFC It's like Australia's go crazy. Brazilians sounds kind of go crazy. Brazilian fighter more Brazilians. Go crazy but Hawaiian said the only at headstone country. Well we we have what As some of our most inflammatory Tori words in our language where it's like you can walk up to a guy and look at them go what he goes up. That's a fight that's all you need. Wow don't eat anything more. If you don't believe me try it I can. I can show but we're really but it's not a vicious thing. Thing will fistfight when one person is full. Stop shake hands. We'll drink we'll hang out. It's part of our culture findings. Big Part Brazil's like that too. Yeah where Atika bars bars like your neighborhood. My neighborhood saw fighting which Hong right so and when the local guy gets into if I were a white guy that just visiting here to that local guy. That's just the fistfight. However unfair unfair it may be he most of the time? They don't go crazy. Maybe we'll knock the guy but that's about it and then for that White Guy who comes from a culture where there's no fighting whatsoever. That's the most devastating moments ever happened in his life. Getting knocked out in like chipping tooth. That's that's devastate. You're never going back to Hawaii. You know so there's some people it's a sliding scale yeah. Did you guys got to carry one second. You guys look at that. WHO's a big factor with a ukulele sings? Oh Oh you talking about somewhere over the rainbow but is for. Yeah Yeah Yeah that Kinda music. I whatever I listen to the radio when I was here before. I assumed it was Kinda like when you're in Kaaba where they're they're playing music for the tourists. But now that I've been driving around on like I feel like this is really just silent music one of our treasures really. He's one of our treasures that got discovered. So you guys were just listening on your own. Yes wouldn't be like we tourists that song itself the most popular one. I mean we play it for like funerals or weddings. Yeah what we played with. My Dad died so every time. You hear about that but He he's he's got a whole a whole plethora music that's just amazing tells amazing stories. He's even got one about like pretty much. Shame Shame on the holidays. I'll share it with you later. I don't remember I gotTa give you the title for it Play the opponent Roy. I heard that song as a kid and it made me think I was in trouble. It's such a haunting melody so now I want to talk with us. We Have A. We got time. What time what time it said? Oh there is it at seven fifteen third. GotTa stand up comedy. I'm always intrigued by these. These scenes really relate to Hawaii. has its own country. The same way I would Puerto Rico but like in Alaska but like their search these scenes. That aren't there. I've seen the Hong Kong seen. I already started probably ten ten years earlier Shanghai probably started five seven years earlier when I got there I met the guys who started the comedy scene in Iceland And it's just interesting when there is no those seem to becoming a scene so like I told you this before but like you are Hawaiian comedy. The Godfather that's you probably call yourself. Nothing they don't call demise live they do. Call me that. I've been called that like you're the reason we're best or whatever but like you're the Premier Hawaiian comic will just just Mike how it wasn't old days away. We have different islands with different champions. Okay GonNa wa who they've got the Shane Lucas. Bryce and and Jose dynamite. They've got a couple jockeying out there. a big island. I think right. Now it's Kevin Hobbs. Some islands got their own guy. But ah I started the scene on Maui. There's nothing going. Nothing I was doing comedy shows. I was doing music open. MICS between bands and just eating everlasting dog auctioned for six months the open mic slash comedy. So weird but no. They didn't listen. But why didn't even give me the slash. I was the only comedian. It was musical but Mike like with this guy who talks him between one point who the fuck is just put a band on this guy just talking well is while the band was setting up so I got to tell jokes in between a random tat of like a snare rolling instead. It's terrible. So what did people talk here before that. No like there's Kevin Hart doing just now Woah. Woah who is the only place to make money for comedian. If they allow anyone listening just you know if some different than the main island and they would book and then not show up all the time happens opens all time Hawaii. The book like the last wind the book fuck away. We don't want to go out there and they just cancel show like a week before Shit happens all time aerosmith a couple of times stevie wonder bravehearts hurts feelings. Yeah so so then. There was this open mic started called tin can open mic with a Chevy from Q.. You WanNa three one of our radio. deejays this comedy open mic. And he wasn't very funny but he he wanted to do comedy and that's all we need and apparently when that started I was already seen seen as the comic. How because you were doing it? People saw me trying to do comedy so the seemed. This guy knows what he's doing isn't amazing when you can be elder statesman with such little like if you're in a hostile and get there and you were there the day before I was like what's going on in Saigon. You've been there one one day before me and even a year later I'll still be like you're my elder state. Exactly you're the guy that right there. Yeah and and it was weird because then put me people like little L. pedestal. where it's like? Oh we're we're open makers but you're the you're the show guy and I'm like I'm not a show guy by any other talent rank. I'm not sure yeah I started getting booking shows and then this group came in Maui celebrity series trying to to book these big time celebrities. That's what we did the blue. No that's where he made me part of that that thing. Oh no no no this. This was a different group. It was like maybe ten years ago. Okay and they brought like Roseanne Barr and Tom. Arnold and William Shatner and Paul Rodriguez how sparks like a bunch of people out. Oh and I was the only Allah guys like the opener. Wow so now I start getting ego at about two three years in about opening icons and go to La for the first time right right that after after that. Yeah when was H Shit. Dude just went to. I went for like two three months. I thought I was going to take over this before February. I met you. Yeah about about about three years before the same as the La Hoya comics. The San Diego comics come to La. Like I'm fucking rock. Consider San Diego's a beach town. That was a vacation happy al.. Everyone's upset and angry and you can't have that like you're just waking up this like this surf you know your weight and it's doesn't com never you're trying to do fucking whatever move and it's like you have no wave under you offer. You GotTA learn how rude awakening it killed me. But so I came back to Maui after about three months out there in your legs yeah drifts. Tell people like oh I was. Here's the fucked up part. Maui Maui. Such a wonderful place that everybody wants to be supportive every once in a good news they understand. You're struggling but they want the good news so I was more like. Oh it was great. It was great that they're gonNA wind chill out there. I'm like Oh valley needs me but I really knew I needed Maui. I need to get better and I once I saw. What real comedy was? I saw that I was a hack. All My shit was hacked really just like any other three four year community. Sorry if you're out there and you're three or four years and you're probably hack usually my friends at this early on comedy especially like the first first year but it can be way longer. You're doing an impression of what you think comed- exactly sound like and I had no other influences. All my influences watch anybody. I didn't have any road comic dude and it it Kinda messes my head a little bit because I also became a bit of a comedy superfan where it meets these people that I'm working with and I'd be too big of a fan and I didn't know how to lock it in so some people to still can never be friends with that guy dude. I'm sweating right normal. I'm sweating right now. Are you fat. So little worrisome. The lights have not gone for showtime generator. We heard about all right but yeah so so I came back to Maui. I sharpened my Shit Shit. I found out how to write intelligently right originally yeah find my voice and I started doing that and then things start rolling again so I mean in between I did. Random like casino tours. As host editors have what like I got booked with like you know Berry Max entertainment to do like Pacific Northwest Casino muckleshoot and in America in in America and mainland America whereas touring around a little bit. Just because I'd book enact in Hawaii Yeah and they had some connection for me since I gave him an awesome weekend. They but killing you. That's cool would you start doing like where they're like other corporates out here so Arielle jarred. We're he'll do go to some small town. Hannah Northern Iceland that has like two thousand people and three hundred of those people show up and commits payback for twenty minutes. And goes right back home the year before you showed up tonight for the Maui Alley. Comedy Festival The local magazine locals just had created. Now he's best comedian as a as a possible Monica and I want it for the first three years and then I there's an ruined. I retired at these united soccer first year. Yeah and then I was like I'm no longer eligible for this. Please give this award to other comedians. They deserve it. I if I'm humbled I'm blessed. Thank you so much. Please let the other. Because that's a huge motivator. It opened the world to corporate gigs. For me I started hosting random. Like allstate insurances his event where we played pin the tail docking. They pay me twelve hundred bucks for it. Wow all right. So things started rolling. I started making money and then I got offered you the amount of comedy festival but it was cool. Is that me and James Monay from wha who were the only two from Hawaii comedians. That are asked to do it. I'm I'm glad at least they did that. They got some twenty people. It almost uh-huh version of corporate takeovers of countries or Mike. You can't just put your comedy festival on Canada and Canadian right. You know you gotta put it on in fucking can anywhere not used some local champion. Bring us your champion. Yeah let him play taking. You're taking fracking oil. So so he did that and that was vital. Got To meet you as well as many other very talented comedians and act like I've been there once again finally had that under control so I didn't fan boy on us. What you just stay around people then the next and it's just like your around once but if you if you could play it all right you're not then that's more more memorable than anything? Yeah Montreal's just going is enough. That people like everyone looks like I guess you're validated someone. Who brought you here? It didn't hurt. That is good we that's always. That's that's always a good way to make friends with anybody from at least so then after I got a taste. That Malik Comedy Fest. I knew it was time to go back really. Yeah I goes up. That was about five years ago. Five Year maybe I was a that was when I finally got the taste of blood Roz like I need to go back out there. This is where the action is an up wasting my time if I'm not preparing at least preparing for that so I I started trusting the scene in my cohorts. How many people are doing comedy now in Maui right now? Let's see we have Ted Anderson Chuck Thompson. Vince Foti Cory Gardner Brian. Brian Michaels and over enough for anybody should unfree somebody. They're going to feel like regular. These are like the people that are doing comedy. The ones that we got. And there's also like open makers people do twice. A year is opened microbes as people leave the island. Come back and we'll run with us You know there's there's a lot of there's a Lotta help. I mean chuck and Ted are the ones who run it in my stead. The it's their company. I gave it to him. A power comedy. Power comedies. Maui only I mean there's other people who do want but I created this little group. It's not really company. It's like more of an ethical thing where we run the open. Mike we run car shows and we. Yeah it's grassroots grassroots. We just do it to keep afloat to keep comedy life. Because if that once that open mic burns out the whole scenes done yes. No more. New Talent Hoffy today up Mike they do at least a weekly the opening. That's also an open. Mike you have you have a main headline or come in and say by the way you guys is Thursday night by the way Tuesday We're having open MIC. Anybody wants to come. And there's always people were there ex pats but living there for three or four years right. Certainly I'll tell you my and now it's Ju- enjoy that come back next week. We have another one over the bookstore. You're right and we do show a month where we'll bring somebody out you know we've brought up people like you know I don't know if you know real battle. His is something that we brought up before like Adam Hunter. Some good names some people that that crush bring a really good show that bring a lot of fun. But that's what it is to can use entertain us to show some Mike Americans. Yeah yeah the first one we Greg Wilson and that that went Wilson League Wilson. Okay which is you know what that is when you hardly Greg it turns into chaos it turns into into a a wars. Yeah he he goes around and he climbed over chairs to get it a heckler and now he's never seen anything like that before so so when I started from producing shows like that it it took it to another level where it's like what the audience is like back then like when they don't know how to be an audience untrained entre rude unintentionally so overly supportive. That was the weird one when people heckling. You compliments you can do it. Yeah I ended up. Ah Shut up. Yeah it's a weird situation to deal with but you train them they come to an upcoming shows understand how to act and then they start training the people next to them. That's cool when you finally get to see that in your own. Seen when some when somebody who's new to the show starts trying to interact more and then the person next to sh- really like they know how to act so they teach them and it's like it's a teaching and then all of a sudden we got a little scene with an audience knows how to act when people show up and it's not embarrassing. Pursing it used to be so embarrassing. Yeah that is cool. Yeah I think people like in Denver. They chapelle brought those yonder bags. You know those little pouches your. Yeah the cell phone hiring he goes. I mean Chapelle crazy but like us you can just keep these here so they just started using them in Denver. I club use them all the time. Yeah and at first like everywhere everywhere they use them. People were like not with the focus and now they've just trained they're like my back is my got to protect everybody does it. They use the Improv. In Hollywood. These are my special good. Protect your shit also not just protecting. It's like guys we can't put our phones down. We can admit that and this experience be better if you put your phone down and actually just watch is what experiences for. You don't have to stop snapchat. Try To upload it during that just like just put it away in an hour and twenty minutes get on their everybody what you want but take off a little bit. He'll still be there. Yeah and if they if they're not there they weren't anyway they weren't even fall down and so now they're a little bit trained in how to do it. The better trained. Yes I mean. There's still overly supportive but I mean all the problems that have from an audience. I guess I'll keep that one. Do you feel any weight of representing this. This state and that island absolutely you do absolutely I haven't i. I'm an emissary some people's I touch of Hawaii. Yeah some people were never have ben and some people will never go to Hawaii in their lifetime. Right right right when I think of why I might end up being the only thing they think about so. That's that's huge. I do carry a bit of a diplomats weight on my shoulders shoulders but I I feel like I'm a pretty good example to I mean I'm a pretty good i. I do smoke weed but that's never made a bad person. I don't think are there cohe COMEDIANS. Seen here. It seems like there's there's a couple I don't know how religiously they do comedy though because I it's hard hard to call someone a comedian. Who isn't doing it three four times a night at least or at least having that experience having done that? It's just a lot of performers. There's there's people getting state fat. Yeah Yeah but I. I don't know of anybody. Touring her getting into it. Just so interesting. You gotta go to the second. Christianity seems real big here. That's the leftover turn for Jesus signs. Yeah that's left over the missionaries and was the first stop so Jay ws mirror. Do they eight not give up they will. They will get into your family root system and tap into like like a house at Columbia. They're they're everybody. Here's Catholic Whitewater driven. Come here time China. They're all they're all Christian. It's funny all the tongues. SAMOANS are are Mormon raise. The Mormons got their first. Yeah they follow them to wine her high. It's another the resource. Not Great in the Christmas. Try to go there and like oh no we're good. Hey have you heard about more. Turn the ships around giving US books. Tam Tam all right well. We're GONNA have to do the show without a microphone. Just you know all right. I mean it's very possible by June by cell phone light or something I'm not scared All right so do you have A. How can people people can touch the refined you or whatever to my? INSTAGRAM is the best way to follow me. Chino Bra C. H. I. N. O. B. R. H.. Chino Bra brought a Chino. Br Chino Bra Tulsa my website facebook. Any of that stuff do you have a you. Don't have a podcast or any do. I'm about to start one next month. So if you follow my instagram you will find out about. I started cooking channel. Yeah I gotTa Instant Pot for Christmas and I as you could tell him a big fat Hawaiian Yeah. I'm going to do cooking student. We'd love if the EAT. We Look Party man. We are but I I got really good is in supply but the recipes online really boring. So you're making your own to make some good recipe. Yeah find my niche. Yeah all right well As we say my countries you Thanks for doing. It would have been a fun over snow. The little louder booed her and it together. A on a boat with the sand love again no king. It came merchants. Roared this thing Out An alternative A in the in the episode every episode. Hope you had a good time Talk Translate Aloha but actually read it. It's not that bad still pretty sad when you think of what. The tone means like goodbye. Aloha to goodbye to our culture. But it's also like Britain and eighteen hundred so it's real flowery and it's like I don't know it's tough to get a translation translation. Error Yonder brow like Hetero but man this Halley is fuck educated on what the country if Hawaii is now. I hope you how these are two hourly down black a fucking soul lack of breath. That's fucking vicious. I got into this just to talk about what Hawaiian now but just the history lesson was fucking sick. Thank you Gino. For sure you guys could follow him for sure on on instagram. Chino Bra Edge. The hang loose. Oh he he told me afterwards with the hang loose was. You're the hang loose sign. He told me the parking lot after the show. Oh fuck I almost forgot to put this up so so a bunch of kids were going surfing right. The cool thing about Hawaii is cheap for local. I don't know if you cover this or not. Cheap for locals because activities are surfing beach and the the the the tourist beaches show this part paid parking but the regular beaches. It's free parking. You just go and you park right in the sand but so these kids were going to fucking surf and they waved to the security guard who they pass by every day and the security guard was missing the middle three fingers. I think you know where this going. Missing the middle three fingers from an accident and he waved back. Everyone's chill right. Everyone's nice and always making fun of everybody in the story and way back but he just have a stomach his pinky out on the wave to these kids from a faraway. They couldn't see Mrs Fingers. They just thought he was doing some new wave with just the pinky and the thumb out they start giving it back to him. Every day they wave back with their three the middle fingers down and then it started started moving with with the fucking shake back and forth and it was just the surfers go and surfin given that hang loose sign because the security guard had no fingers and these really Nice Kids who are surfing fucking hang loose bra. Hey Liz Bra had no idea making this guy. Feel at ease coming in his level So that's the last detail and I found out Ladies and gentlemen thank you for joining in Again if you want to support my podcast in my overall lifestyle of Give they give no fucker. Deaths Go to arch affairs not Patriot Dot com slash skeptic tank I swear return If you give me that safety net of never go out of business which is a little bit of money. I will continue to never make a decision based on money I will only I make my decisions based on the things I find funny things I find that I should bring to you so Never care about any sort of like outside influences on my art. So let's John Thank you very much for tuning in thank you forge talking to me and fucking killing it open for the shows The show is pretty much his whole family and friends And I guess that's it bright until next week next week I might have won on travel by the way. If you WANNA go on. I talked about this on the Patriot. Actually so I don't have to cover over that. Yeah Right. That's it all right. I'm going to be looking for for studio this whole this whole next two weeks. I would say okay we just to me but I had to put my fuck in too many death threats to random people. I fucking worked with eight years ago coming at my fucking instagram and twitter. I'm used to my death rides. I I don't care about him but the people it's like Shit they're not involved so random people just have some association with a website. From six years ago it was like get threat- threatened and so I had to shuttle is shut down so I can't hear your stuff but I would appreciate since I can't really promote this too hard on twitter. I had to make it private or instagram. What does it comments? tweet out yourselves for me. If you don't mind tweet avs podcast and tell everybody listen. I kept thinking. We'll take him abuse but those people aren't really the that are really intelligent people anyway so Yeah Hell we promote this. I appreciate it. I'm building studio. Hopefully before the next podcast is out. I'll find a place it'll take me to four weeks and then I'll start building it and then you'll start seeing video content march or April you know might be gone. You'll see video content. I would say for sure by Jude. You'll start seeing full video podcasts. With clips and everything. I got a higher fulltime producer. WHO's GonNa do it all the work for me? 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Bonus  John Gerdy, Hans Watford and Elizabeth Holmes

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Bonus John Gerdy, Hans Watford and Elizabeth Holmes

"Welcome to charlotte readers podcast r- authors give voice to the written words. This is the show where made sure all authors and those who visit the quaint city. We hear them read their work today. We've got a bonus episode recorded a laugh podcast davidson college on june eighth two thousand nineteen in the taller. Tom and sloan music building known to a students who attended in the late seventies. The old nine hundred ten more about that later i want to thank davison college college and thank all my classmates and the authors who appeared on the panel from class for attending the laugh podcast which turned out to be a really fun of it regret what our sponsors parker books in charlotte mecklenburg library for helping authors give voice to the written works parker books the oldest and only independent bookstore in charlotte with a welcoming staff ready to help you find your next great read the stores right there parkway shopping center with the big blue letters schaumburg library service i central connector of a thriving community of readers leaders and learners twenty locations and a twenty four hour online presence their mission is to improve lives and build a a strong community r- also grateful to the queen city podcast network within this show is now affiliated for the technical part of this law production the network because the collection of locally based locally produced locally focused podcast that you can take anywhere and listen to at your own pace thank you brian bought schevitz for making the trip to davidson not enough for the prologue. Let's get to the stories. I'm your host. Landis wade thank you for listening class of nineteen seventy-nine davidson college union episode uh made authors john gertie elizabeth homes and hands wofford davison graduates who proved that a liberal arts education really can't help you do almost anything including right a few books john gotti was successful college basketball player turn college sports commissioner turn lifelong musician who reads discusses cusses his latest book baller bands sports the question football versus music as an education community investment speaking of exploring bring elizabeth liz homes have allowed her and navigate the worlds of prose and poetry takes on an adventure in her book passing world's tahitian heating the era of captain cook and finally who better to write novels about doctors fighting for their lives medical suspense thriller then hands watts per for the life of a doctor every day. We'll find out from hands where the doctor jack harris will live to make it through the live. Episode episode started with john reading a part of his book that shows two sides personnel s._e._c. sports commissioner by day and blues man by night notice willie marble listening raise her poem incidental which illustrates what can happen only incidentally the captain might argue when the people from one world visit themselves upon people of another hansen read saying we're dr jack hairs belong physician the king and cash-strapped emergency room on a co louisiana night meets the young female l. assault victim will lead him on a journey for his and her very survival. Let's tune into the live podcast. I hope you enjoy <hes> at davidson. We had dismal team records due to a program that was in severe disarray during my four years. We had five head coaches which must be an n._c._a._a. Record yet despite the disarray disappointing records. I loved everything about much the school in my experience. Their most important was the way athletes were treated by students and faculty. La basketball was important at davidson. As soon as we left the courts were treated not stars but his regular students at davidson. It was very clear to us that academics were our first priority already and would not be compromised by over emphasis on basketball. That is why even today it is a unique place to play division college. Basketball being in a program in such disarray array led to seasons of many losses which teaches humility. Perhaps the incident that best exemplifies this aspect of my davidson experience occurred during pregame warmups versus wake forrest university in the old charlotte coliseum at the time wake was ranked in the top five in the nation. We were significantly overmatched at every position. We looked like a high school. School team compared to them but we were warming up. Wake trotted out block room passing by sunday way teammate of mine carter todd his eyes wide followed each of them them as they pass bond remark. Hey who chose these teams. We need to pick over after davis continue my education at ohio university and got my masters in sports administration p._h._d. In higher education spent three years at the n._c._a._a. And six years as associate commissioner of the southeastern conference <hes> for compliance in academic fair so shortly after arrived i was asked by the athletic directors to come in and you know brief them on what does compliance and academic fair stuff really means okay now a pickup book from there i proceeded to give them my best rap about the importance of compliance academics institutional integrity and student athlete welfare and how with their help we. We're going to turn the southeastern conference into a model of institutional control for athletics in short. I spilled my guts. When else finished i'd i'd left it all on the meeting room floor silence then a longtime athletic director leaned over the table clears throat slowly turned to me and said son. I don't know who you are aware. You're from but you best. Remember you win the s._e._c. now. The culture of the s._e._c. male dominated football assessing the deep. South is one of the last bastions of conservative old boy network by day. I was john gertie associate commissioner with the s._e._c. Very <unk> button-down shirt tie bigwig straight-laced ultra-conservative jock culture at night however i was known around the artsy funky five-point section of town with its bars restaurants toronto nightclubs as willie marble blues musician these virtually polar opposite cultures the beauty was that there were only two or three people who knew how the paths crossed fine upstanding all american jock by funky blues man by night. I had a great time you birmingham but like luzon with the birth of our first child in nineteen ninety-five my six six year stay in birmingham came to a close likely at the right time is by then it seemed that i was spending more time being willy marble than john gertie incidental. They wanted food water sex. They meant to advance science seek adventure serve the king win souls for christ or earn a wage and stay alive. It was purely incidental. The fleas on the rats on a french ship carried plague that surgeons declared men clean allowed them ashore not knowing venereal cereal disease could incubate months without symptoms that the introduction of alcohol made alcoholics the girls gave birth to half european babies to be brought up with love or killed that sheep a world away from their rockwall pastures left left behind as gifts suffered sheared till they died of the heat that cats another gift eight flightless birds to extinction extinction that islanders came to despise alike infanticide and tattoo artistry human sacrifice yes and the phenomenal skill canoe builders and cloth makers it was incidental that decent men intending no harm fixed tahiti in the crosshairs of longitude and latitude for every predatory ship to come that within thirty or forty years years the population declined ninety percent that no woman started inflicted or exacerbated any of this incidental that people who had known where they stood on their island like a great fish in a family in a class in the bright world above the ancestors and gods now perched idle shrunken backward on a volcanic dot and in the pacific and did not know alone as in the beginning the one god tower aw stood alone in the void loyd called and called but nothing replied being a god he changed himself into the universe they you were not gods and to move the rock of foundation had cracked though the dome of the sky still sword where tani had propped cropped it on pillars of stars they could no longer hold up their heads beneath it. Dr jack kerris harris breeds into his cupped hands. The heating and the e._r. wasn't good enough to overcome the frequent bursts of cold damp air the automatic doors a cold that cut right through him he'd only been in this e._r. Rotation for three nights but the freak winter weather made it feel more like nova scotia than the remote coastal town of do all louisiana his his white coat and scrubs were no match for the brisk wind that fro sheets of ice on the ambulance ramp jack rubbed his eyes took the x ray film from their sleeve. The small hospital was leaking money so fast that it was just a matter of time before it closed and administration issued new budget cuts that bordered on absurd that taken away the view box in the private dictation room so he had to get his first look at the film's in front of the patient something he dreaded since it robbed him of the chance to compose himself. If the news was bad he's passed the curtains around to ebay e. r. bay three snap the x rays to view box and looked at the girl. Is it getting numb yet. So what are you care. She shivered in her wet clothes. He'd write the blanket around her shoulders. She turned down the offer to change into some dry scrubs. Why should i care. It's none of your business. That's why she straightened her back. All attitude the our chart said that shannon willis was only sixteen too young to have taken in that kind of blow to her face and arm jacket already set a broken wrist and the cast the bruising and cuts like somewhat had wrenched her arm before it broke he had had a feeling that she hadn't fallen down some stairs the source story she told the triage nurse she dragged away when jack tried to generally examine the laceration over over cheekbone overlying the cut were small marks the kind knuckles mike make he ran his hand through his thick black hair something he'd done since childhood hood whenever he was worried he was only twenty eight himself but he wasn't sure how to reach her one poorly chosen word and she'd run your cheek bounded rounded and broken but the swellings bad and you'll have a nasty bruise. It'll take a few weeks for the discoloration to go away weeks. She strained to see her reflection in the glass cabinet. I'm at doors above the counter. Am i going to have a scar. I don't think so. I can close the skin with some story strips. It hurts a no but i'm sorry sorry. You might need something for pain but i'll have to give the prescription to your parents. I don't need any pain. Medicine just fixed me up and i'll go. Is anyone here with you she. She nervously ransacked her purse removing lipstick and some paper. I've got money. Jack heard the harsh signal from the emergency radio at the nursing deaths. The triage nurse would answer ah but only be a matter of moments before she call him. What we talk about here is confidential. I'm worried about you. Maybe i can help. I don't need your help. The bones not brokers because just fix it so i don't have a scar the nurse pull the curtain ajar. Dr harris does a call for you. Ambulance is the police he could sense the young young girl tensing up but before he could say anything. The nurse said one of the officer's been shot. They're bringing them in a squad car and their close three authors graduated with me from davidson college in nineteen seventy nine despite our various majors. We each became published authors. John gertie was davison sociology major and all american basketball. Ask ball player is the author of five books among them baller bands football versus music as an educational community investment airball american educations failed experiment with elite elite athletics and sports. The american addiction john's been recognized by the institute of international sports is one of america's most influential sports educators lisbeth breath lists homes as the davison english major and is now a writer and editor for the president provost cornell university in new york and the author of three novels and three books of poetry must recently passing passing worlds to heat in the air of captain cook or previous collections of poetry are the patients that the cloud photographer and the playhouse new dark but published by carnegie mellon university press hands walker was davison biology major. It's now a cardiologist in private practice in birmingham alabama and the author of two medical thrillers his first book mortal strain when i place outstanding fiction at the prestigious santa barbara writing conference who was nominated for the edgar award for best first novel by american can offer the second of his jack series. Lethal risk was nominated for the best fiction book of the year and how fox news is one of the best books to read a summer rebecca. The great thing is john lewis hands are just a few of the authors in her class and others include francis taylor michael kennedy sent the newbury martin tim mcdowell which only goes to show that when you go to a college that doesn't feature multiple guests exam questions you to the foundation to write a book. Hey welcome to the show this hands and john. Thank you the space where we are in the nine hundred room. This is a as you recall in college. The carpet smelled a little different right like spilt beer so when the three of you were sipping pitchers of beer here in this room is eighteen to twenty one year olds. Do you have any idea any plan any notion any daydream that one day you'd author a book and come back forty years later to the scene of the crime talk lose no. I was not thinking of that when i was in the nine hundred room. No no no. I was thinking other things. I did some research <hes> long before we were in school here this building house the libraries and that's where the name came from for this room because it housed the nine hundred series of books and i don't know what that was so i went on a google p._d. Whatever looked it up. The nine hundred series the dewey decimal system is history and geography. It's a perfect allama with liz. Poetry work about captain cook's voyage and now the space is the slow music center perfect for john's book promotion using hands why you hear uh-huh martin no no but i kept him busy okay. Let's talk second about how your davison degrees lead you to where we are today john. You're a sociology algae major at davidson. Is there any way to connect. The dots between sociology major and nonfiction author help you with this book and anyway many years life. I'm not i'm not so sure <hes> sociology part of it did all that much but i do believe that the culture of davidson and in my experience there is an athlete and as a student <hes> m- one of my core beliefs which informs all of my in writing on this subject is that as much as we love athletics we have to value and support and fund and education and my parents i learned after my parents might come into davidson that only reinforced it. <hes> the values of <hes> the culture at davidson in terms of you know honesty integrity community service given back and i do think that regard using using those values that were taught here you can use that as prism through which to look at any any whether it's medical profession in our whether it's education or whether it's lennox using those core values that we learned here at davidson. I think serves is a great foundation upon which to look looking evaluate other areas and sort of apply those principles to to what are issues. You're writing about so liz. You were an english major newson that might i be the most direct path to authors. 'cause i'm jump on hand soon just a second so big an english major the house the connection for you because you've been prose and poetry while i was always interested in in writing <hes> even when i was a kid but i think what davidson and did for me <hes> i think i had great professors in the english department and <hes> we did a heck of a lot of close reading <hes> just really looking being hard at a text and seeing what's in there <hes>. Why did the author do this or do that. <hes> why choose this word that word and i also had great professors who said you turned in an essay. It's clear it makes sense now. Make it interesting. You know. Do you something more with it <hes> so it was that challenge i think to <hes> sort of open your eyes when your kid who likes books than you <hes> suddenly you begin to find out how hard it is to write them. Yeah enhance you a biology major now. You probably have fill in the blank tests s. or something right. I'm guessing but is there. Is there some kind of connection here between biology major and writing about medical stuff well. I think one of the things i really liked about davidson was that we didn't have many fill in the blanks. Even in biology even our labs you had to stand and defend things and you had to know more completely a subject that you might not have known if you just new to study for the answers and pick the right answer on the on the page and that ah attracted me to davidson's one of the many things that attracted me to davidson but also the benefit all of us had is there was such a standard rendered of exploring with your brain in every class you had whether it was science class or any other class and the professor's here special we all know that we've been talking some of them as we've been here this weekend and they want you to think and they want you to think outside the box and they want you to thank in and really stress your brain when you're here in a way that makes your brain nimble later for other things that come your way or surprises and this was a surprise to me yeah. We're gonna get more into the writing like before the podcast over today but <hes> before we did. I think i i'm seeing sort of a pattern here and maybe less davison taught us to right. That's just us what we had to do right so it seems to me like a couple of old jocks. John and i can write a book enhanced turn medicine in the medical thriller. We know this. You got there but if he can do that do that anybody in this room. I mean just like some books next next time. We'll have a bigger panel so we're going to sound refunding trying to sell books unlike one day. I was selling the cyclopes in high school. He went next door to the neighbors and say you don't wanna buy encyclopedia's do this. Uh he sold encyclopedia authors always trying to sell their stuff and one of the things that have to do is emma put them on the spot here in a second and i'm old submit to it as well as you gotta make an elevator later pitch so here it is we're actually going to be on an elevator elevator panel from the first or second floor in chambers run into somebody from the class of nineteen seventy nine and they see you holding your book so they say oh you wrote a book. Tell me about your book. You only got thirty seconds is slow elevator goal for you only got thirty seconds to sell your book okay so so if you do this well you might make ninety cents but let's let's go forward to john thirty seconds. Tell us about your book. <hes> <hes> our our our schools today are faced with increasing expectations regarding <hes> how to provide students with an education worthy of the twenty th century of course this is happening against the backyard of declining resources so therefore every single dollar counts we have to be more efficient and effective with every educational dollar we spent and the purpose of this book is to do <hes> <hes> a return on educational dollar invested in <hes> football versus music programs and and if you did keep score like in a football game at the end of the game the score would be music fifty five and football about twenty hands. You're uh dr harrison. A young doctor who encounters a teenage girl in the are that he thinks he's been assaulted and abused and he is pulled away with an emergency gunshot wound. Police departments involved in in when he comes back to see her. She's gone later that night. When he's off. He sees her talking some guys that are lowlifes and he break setup. Convinces let commits his the girl to let him take her to a hotel where he puts her up for the night with the desire the next morning intention the next morning to take acres social services and get her some help but when he shows up the police of their and his blood in the room and they think he killed her so this <hes> you're up to poetic nick reimagining of what happened when the first europeans arrived on tahiti two hundred fifty years ago <hes> led by the famous captain cook <hes> the poems are in multiple voices to try to bring to life. Oh cast of characters <hes> who are on both sides who are all caught up in all sorts of cross cultural clashes and miscommunication occasions and even some friendships <hes> the books appointing poignant depiction of mistakes mixed motives and a society whose delicate kit balance was altered in finally devastated by the impact of a far different one all right put them through this. I'm going to have to play too so <hes> yeah thanks for asking i've written a trilogy of books about lawyers say christmas about that. One of module says it's kind of a cross between my cousin vinny and miracle on thirty four th street <hes> the theme of the book believing without seeing which is a powerful idea and they're all separate legal mysteries and they have happy advocated by the books. We don't tell you a little bit about two to three minutes dive in each book for second. I'm gonna i'm gonna ask the panelists some questions questions. We're going to start start with john. John you wrote this <hes> nonfiction book. It could be called an entertaining thesis. That's an opening opening rage. You made clear that you're not just a lifelong musician and you're not just a college athlete that you're both so my question is. Why did you feel is important to lay that kind of foundation before you got into the meat of the book <hes> b because i think by leeann that i've competed quote unquote at the highest levels of both of you know both athletics and <hes> in in education mike h._d. And <hes> founded and run a music related had nonprofit and a lifelong musician <hes> i think it was important because it is critical of football and so on one hand it was important for me to say hey you know i my father was a high school. Football coach. I grew up in a football locker room <hes> and <hes> and is successful successful athletes so therefore i wasn't just sort of like a a pointy headed you know <hes> pointy headed intellectual criticizing criticize and sports it was important but it was important to establish credentials angels on both sides of the equation because i've just one quick example. He's like one of the primary justification for athletics is as being being part of the educational process educational institution is that at teaches teamwork right and <hes>. That's one primary justifications things. You can't learn in the classroom awesome you know anyway. I've been a five person basketball team where everybody's working together. Communicating discipline teamwork time management personal responsibility all all of those things in pursuit of a common goal right but i've also been in a five person band and there's no difference communication skills discipline teamwork personal responsibilities all of those things and it's just important i think for me to establish that i played both sides of the coin so we're hopefully brought us get into the heart issue here though john so your book title has ball or bands and your subtitle this football versus word lawyers us versus music as an educational education community investment and yet when i read that book you find many similarities among football music building character teamwork discipline community building page one hundred point out to studies have found a students who play bigger sports like football perform ten percent better at math science english and social studies and that music students scored eleven percent higher than ninety students s._a._t.'s so why does the choice have to be the didn't you see remember the titans. Those dudes could sing. You know it's a happy one of the don't in a perfect in a perfect world shouldn't but we no longer live in a perfect world. I i mean you know. There's you know we're schools are struggling. <hes> you know. Resources are being cut <hes> and <hes> yes yes. There are a certain things that they both do but as you read through the book i offer different things in terms of character development in terms of brain function in terms of direct impact on academic performance <hes> in terms of how it impacts school culture and you know i went into it. Not i mean i had my my my ideas about it but i i really tried to go into really a balanced perspective by the end of it. It was just painfully clear to me that <hes> if in doubt if you had the choose and an increasingly as <hes> as parents as educational leaders is community leaders. We're going to have to make those tough choices <hes> and it isn't a perfect world so so therefore that's that's why i wrote a book. That's where i <hes> and that's that's a conclusion <hes> that i that i came to but but again. I'm not happy about it but i i just think that's the that's the reality of the world in which we live today all right well. Thank you for that it. Did i actually being a football player myself. I went into. I don't know but i'm not going to get a reading it and you make some good points in the book so it's it's worth exploring and speaking have exploring liz just talk from you read a book of connected poems related to the british explorer captain cook and a three year voyage in the mid seventeen hundreds on the endeavor the pacific ocean and particularly his impact on the people of the island of tahiti. What drew you to write about this period of time in history and being a donal as to why did you decide to express it in poetry instead of prose a lot fewer words and poetry. You don't have to write so much no i you know i knew absolutely nothing about tahiti and i don't know a lot of history really <hes> but i sort of by accident came across an a little essay that was about one of the one of the people on captain cook's ship who was an aristocratic naturalist too when he came to this <hes> island he kind of threw himself into learning all about this culture and <hes> that kind of piqued my interest and i began to read more about it and i began to realize that it <hes> recalled called into question the vague assumptions i had about colonialism and <hes> how those how those connections and happened between european countries and some of the places they explored and it just became deeper the more i looked into it. They're more there was to see or your poem incidental. What you read the top programme here the opening poem which is called prophecy. Your first line of that poem says something strange was coming in short. Spell that out and this is what happens when it came last four oh four lines. You said this land will be taken by them. The old rules will be destroyed loyd coming on a canoe outrigger. So what did you hope that readers might take away from this work about the unintended side effects of exploration russian well. I should probably say that those lines that you read are are actually words that were said by a priest astanin nearby island just a few years before the europeans arrived at so he was quite good profit visualize this show and you got this one senior gonna read where they're looking over the edge and they're taking this new so by the way union bounty went to the two. That's right short not just few years editor. 's s. reserves way back day so you wrote an afterward about the details of cook's voyage and decided many sources. Did you have to do a lot of research for this book. I did quite a bit of research <hes> and of course most most of what you can find is from the european point of view <hes> <hes> but it was really fun to read the journals of people who were there <hes> and they're get they're different perspectives on it and the the interesting listing ways just just that eighteenth century language was was kind of interesting and i did find some there are some scholars who have really studied all of this from from the point of view of the tahitian people too and that was hugely helpful for mid mid podcast break and we'll talk to has to secondhand secondhand. You're protagonist in your series. He's a young handsome dr strapping guy. He skilled enough to handle most any medical emergency and smart enough to solve a mystery but not quite intuitive enough when it comes to understanding women so how much how much of you hands well. I'm not strapping. I'm not handsome and i went to an all boys school. Twelve years work aimed at davidson so i don't anything about women it's immagination agneda. Sometimes they say right which is good advice. Sometimes bad advice limit you but uh you've used your knowledge of medicine to bring realism to your savings and you pay just nineteen twenty. I'm reading along and it says when jack is attending a gunshot victim and we learn about the clavicle local area the aspiration of the federal vein in arterial clamp freight tendons exposure to the radial artery blood getting to where it needs to be by the owner artery artery on the other side of the forearm now i. How did your editor publisher know whether you're telling the truth. Well it's interesting. I came into this 'cause. I had written a book. I spent about ten years trying to learn how to write <hes> mysteries and thrillers and in the first book i wrote got an agent for me but it didn't get published and i had kept it a secret. I was a doctor and there's a little bit of medicine. There and i had gotten a close call with five big editors in new york and <hes> once said you know even the medicine doesn't ring right in my agent was frustrated and she said well he's a doctor. He should know and she called me and said hold on. I didn't know what that meant but i got a call from five editors who had had taken a pass on my book and every one of them said will you write a medical thriller and i said sure so but the one thing i learned pretty fast as people who i'd like to read medical thrillers. They understand these things and they like those things. You don't wanna talk down to him. So when we come back have more ratings more conversation employees are riding life segment versus short message about the queen's city podcast network. Hey listeners. I'm here with the brown vaulter schevitz <hes> the king of august is at your title. I got a promotion. Tell us just a serf here. I'm just joined it. So what. What is this thing. 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Charlotte readers podcast is a member of the twin city podcast cast network powered by or carolina for more information go to queen city podcast network dot com all right listeners <hes> <hes> friends and classmates nine hundred seventy nine class davidson college welcome back. We're here with john. Gertie hand spurred watt furred bird and <hes>. We got loose homes here. We're gonna have a second reading now from each of the books that were featuring today. The first reading is going to be from liz. It's <hes> this poem. It's entitled cook the nitrous seaman and liz before we start this <hes> tall spec captain cook well. I've made this story sound pretty grim and sad ad but actually captain cook did have a sense of humor <hes> and <hes> he was a guy who had come up from from nothing the son of a laborer unlike a lot of naval officers <hes> he was not an aristocrat <hes> but here's his take on working with ordinary sailors and this this steals liberally from his journals the unburied diet of have a long sea voyage salt beef salt pork dry bread full of vermin. That taste is strong as mustard. If unrelieved by fresh rush food allows scurvy a footing in the ship this i propose to prevent by means of sauerkraut portable soup and malt a decoction of the ladder given by the surgeon to any man with the least symptom the sauerkraut the minute i would not eat and i made no attempt to compel them. Merely had it sir to the officers daily letting the men take as much as they pleased or none at all in a week. I had to ration it. Such are the temperatures and dispositions of semen. Give them anything new. Although it'd be ever so much for their good nee murmur maligned the inventor her grumble refuse but the moment they see their superior said a value upon it it becomes the finest stuff in the world and the inventor a damned hamdan honest fellow so less the thing that i found interesting about this one of the things about this was that <hes> several alonzo's come directly from the journals of joseph banks and from captain cook himself and these journals are also almost lost because that ship of i think was damaged on the it came very very close to going down on the great barrier reef austrailia so how much truth was employed in this work and how much require the use of your imagination well. There's nothing in here that <hes> contrary to known facts <hes>. I tried to fill in some gaps. I tried to to imagine more about how some of these people felt <hes> because the journals most of them tend to be pretty matter of fact because they were they they. They knew they were going to be published. These are not really private diaries so as a true that sailors <hes> that day in time with the driver full of vermin. Oh yeah turn their nose up. It's our crowd. Yes very much so really travel. So let's hands for second hands. We got another rating which you wouldn't necessarily expect a medical thriller with people running for their lives and bad guys and all this kind of stuff. You're going to bring a little bit of romance thing in here. I sure these are two people who knew each other at another time and i'll just pick it up. Celeste flattened a garlic clove with the flat base of a carving knife than added it to the onion tomatoes simmering in butter and white wine. There was a pound of boiled shrimp heaping in a mixing bowl. The steam still rising. She opened the refrigerator and pour glass of pinot griego for each of them. Wash up then pull peel the shrimp. If you remember how that is jack said it's been a long time but not that long ago she looked at him in for a moment her is caught his as they want head it was only a moment but it had depth and resonance a moment with tender meaning that he could feel because he'd wants love this woman he wanted to ask her now. Ask her what had happened between them why she left her words last night had been recurring ever since he said them. It wasn't my idea to leave but all he could do is look at her seles said when i saw you in the parking parking lot down and duval it was like no time had passed. I knew we'd see each other someday some place. I thought you were mad at man. I don't blame you you. You deserve better. I just wish we could start over and maybe play that scene again. He wanted to reach out to feel the warmth to for skin. Maybe that could happen. She paused looked at him. Maybe it could. He took an everything about her face. Light rain is every subtle movement as she watched him watching her. I thought about you wondering how you were. She looked away flipping the fillets before they ready. Jack move next to her for months. After you left people would bring up your name and just pretend to be embarrassed. It seemed like they did it just to see high react or what i'd say. His voice felt like it was about to crack but i didn't want to answer i. I wanted to know where you were. Why'd you left. It was killing me inside but they just wanted something to talk talk about so i didn't say anything. He tapped his hand on the counters. Listen to me. I'm not even making sense. She smiled and said you sound just fine where did go his voice was almost pleading the words having slipped out faster than hoped so had you've got you've got a relationship here but but you also bring something into the book which i think is often overlooked you try and hit all the five senses right before this scene a meals being prepared. We see the garlic clothe. The onion tomato tomato simmering in white wine sauce boiled shrimp heaped in a mixing bowl with steam still rising. So how important is it in writing a book to touch more than just the sense of sight. I think it adds a lot and <hes> you know one of the hardest things that was one of the hardest things made learn was why i like like certain books i would read books and underlying when is the moment i love this character wounded. I follow him and it still was ethereal and i had a teacher who who told me one time. What's important is what you leave out and even though i don't think this what i just read is necessarily an example of that that he he said something to be that answered a question and that was why why visualized certain books well what i've visualized seen in relationship and and he answered a question and we had a discussion he said that's it and it was that you lead people to let their imagination grow into what you've written and you leave out the important little detail that they're gonna add and then they take possession of it and that's easily said it's easy to do a ham handed way but knowing what to leave out <hes> was an important lesson for me and some of that is you lead up to it i think with engaging senses and then back away and hopefully the reader has <hes> someone listening has put their own. Take on it by you leading them there and then backing away and let them come into it. We'll speak an assessors of this this worse. That's keeping an open mind which is something. That's not gun too often time john listen. Let's move yours because you've got middle rate. It's kind of a call to action sort of a we talk about. The point of the book is to have a serious debate. Can you pick it up there. Yeah well essentially you. You asked earlier about sort of the reasons for writing this or my perspective on. It and you know i did because i have. I've spent a life life spent in both in both arenas both areas <hes> so anyway. I started working on this house kind of going slow. I was just sort of gathering my thoughts on it and <hes> and then and then then all the stuff about the relegations about brain trauma started to come out regarding all the research and all that stuff came to light and it really added added a sense of urgency <hes> to you know you need to get this done you need to because it's timely and important so <hes> pick up. You know what why that's why that is pointed. Us book is to spur and better inform that debate it's to provide context insight and information to help education community leaders just as well as parents approached these questions with a clearer understanding of the educational society playing field when extracurricular funding priorities and decisions consider cetera open and honest debate of these issues is critical because we live in an age when school simply do not have the resources necessary provide unlimited extracurricular activities. He's as a result. We must make choices. Regarding the most effective way to invest are increasingly limited educational resources but all of this context and dialogue is of no. I know us without the courage and commitment to go where the logic truth and data take us for example. If during the process we find that either of these activities is successfully meeting. Its educational purposes. Will we have the vision to invest more heavily in it but what if one or the other is not what if it is determined the vestment in one or the other as an activity extracurricular activity brings a greater return on educational dollar invested. What should our school boards do. What should we as parents taxpaying citizens do will we have we have the courage to make what may be very difficult and unpopular decisions despite the fact that some some of the answers we may find maybe uncomfortable or inconvenient we should welcome this discussion and analysis because if we approach honestly the end result will be better better schools serving our children and communities more effectively in the end. Isn't that what we all want and what our nation needs so john what was one almost uncomfortable an inconvenient answers. <hes> the chief found for people who love football people play college football what was one of the most uncomfortable and inconvenient answers well. I mean i mean again. My father was a high school football. Coach also the physics teacher in our school so i had that balance right from the start but as a product of the system. I'm a product of the system. I mean i would not be where i am today without basketball and the opportunity to davidson provided me to play basketball so <hes> it was really bittersweet and a lot of ways because i truly believe in the value and importance of athletics. It's as an educational tool. I mean that's the primary justification we we have for it to be a part of our educational system and i strongly believe for that but i also believe that in many cases and football in particular really really putting the ice cake or the brain trauma stuff is that organized stop lennox elite athletics within our educational institution institution. We've lost perspective on it again. As much as we love that lettuce and god knows i love i owe everything back. Let's <hes> as much as we love athletics. We have to have to love and value you and invest in education more points. One of the things we talk about is the longevity of being able to play music versus football all but i have to say i went to see three dollars night play recently and there might be some brain trauma. Let's look pretty damn yeah but but again one of the primary one of the primary functions our educational system is to teach lifelong learning skills and you. You can do this forever music so i put them through it. I'm reading a little bit a piece of a what's the christmas redemption is the third in in my book and i'm just set up for a second so we got. This is another christmas trial. Each of these trials have to say christmas terrain. A winter's isn't a deposition study to she owns. A toy companies called the tip top toy company. They manufacture the most popular christmas present fifty years. It's the reindeer hubbard but just failing a class action suit at the ball robert greenback. He's applying. Lawyer is questioning her in her deposition. Dad records her lawyer. Are you saying your company is not at fault for the failure the hubbard to fly yes. Can you prove it greenback. I've watched enough courtroom television that the proving part blocks to you. You're an arrogant woman. Aren't we image greenback. Do the slowly one finger at a time. The reindeer hover board failed to fly for seventy five percent of the adults bonnet correct well. That's true for those seventy. Eighty five percent was that there's i don't understand why did not expect you would greenback torino winter with a jobless content. Why was it there fall. They didn't heed the warning. Greenback took doc marcus zip late in front of a witness would amount reading it into the record not at all winter took out a glasses place knows who took the stems over years and then she read warning this product only works for true believers levers classic nor the warning label come down mr green backing figure this out. He picked up the exhibit closely the warning label. What exactly is a true believer. That's the best question you've asked today. She turned if that raker mr edgar. Would you like to tell him. Greenback was impatient. What's she talking about. Record swallowed smile greenback in the at a true believer is an adult who believes in santa claus silence. Just some kind of joking not joking greenback looked back at train winter. Are you telling me this case has something to do. A mock class believe in santa claus train winter setup straight breast and other strands of silver gra here from our left app welcomed them our almost greenberg i so now we're gonna the ryen life segment here. This is part of the book part of the show where kind of explore the ins and outs of writing. I'm gonna start list with you. We're going to do a little either or are you get to pick either or both neither. What's your preference inc panir keyboard pen dictionary spilka dictionary good outline of free flow free flow or you do about to see the light of day or the dark night. When you write by early morning complete quad or background noise reviews quiet royden the first draft revising polishing your work revising using a million times marketing your books or digging a ditch. Give me the ditch anytime i got a couple of these are true false. You probably have karate. Routine is an important part of my writing process true and how does that work well. I find that <hes> when when things are going ast i have periods of time that are uninterrupted where i can get in another character's head and <hes> it's amazing how easy it is to pop that bubble double and i can't just go right back to it but when i get in a routine of writing you just want to keep writing and it it can be a certain time of day i write at night primarily and and <hes> you have learned experiences just easier to get into it if you routinely true false rejection does not bother me thoughts. The getting editoral feedback is fun thoughts writing. The second book is harder than the first trip. Explain that willis all this pressure and i also had a year instead of as much time as i wanted before the first one so i had a contract for a year and that you know when i had three months left left. I had <hes> not everything written but that also. I had a detailed outline. I hated doing what they required it <hes> and some of that was for their p._r. People pull in people who do the covers and all that kind of stuff they don't. They don't really read your novel agency. Get summaries and <hes> it really helped me. Since i was having a hard hard time devoting myself to finishing the book and then suddenly i'm panicked and i had my outline and it just flew and it helped the writing so plot is more important occurred. No trump halts kita. Writing a book is to put your button the cheer right to your finished false i don't. I don't think that's the key that that's that's important to do it. That's that's what i think everybody who's successful people. I know who've been really kind of made you very successful. Say it's just hard for them to get it done so they have to do that. But <hes> you add a lot more to it than just riding back to the character per second tease that out because there's always a plot with there's a character and there's two thanks to a book. One is the plot of small surface. Then has always some hidden meaning something something that has not there. The book is missing a foundation right. Some people call it the arca book what keeps it going and why why do you like if the character you know i i <hes> had some writers that have finished a book and i said i would follow that guy or that girl in any story you know i it's ideal a deal to find somebody. Who's a character like that but i think one thing this common to people who write is that stories and suggestions are not the problem. I have too many plots in my head. They come all the time and it took me years to realize that's what was going on and i didn't recognize them stories for the longest time and then suddenly i realized is oh. These are novels. They're scenes in a novel that unfold over time to me a long time to realize i just needed to figure out what's steps between the scenes and when that happened happen out really got into it but there's a lot of work to get there and <hes> there's i don't think you can teach people have imagination or appreciate speed and timing in any type of book which you can teach craft and that's some of what you're talking talking about is the understanding ahead of time before you write it that you need you as the rider needs to know some things that may be aren't in the book but the way you ride. It will be informed because you know what that arc is. What the underlying story is so people's actions their their reactions what they do will be consistent with what that stories. That's the wrong with my first book. I didn't understand that so we're gonna move to john john. Since you're sociology major these are like essay questions so you sicher deep thinker. You're really horrible night and <hes> so here's the first question are right but calls it. Does this for me. <hes> i think it's my it's my way of <hes> of giving back of of encouraging urging people to i mean it's it's funny i i had i was involved in my passion. Is education really <hes> involved in again son of a high school football coach music teacher. I mean i'm sorry got physics teacher. My mother worked in the school system. My sister's a teacher and so i went went into college athletics because i believed in athletics powered potential as an educational tool to supplement the educational process so anyway so what is you know i went to the n._c._a._a. Say as s._e._c. involved in athletics but i always thought of as education and then when i you know i i left e._s._e. To be a stay at home parent and then this opportunity to reinvent myself after the kids got older and in the data around as much anymore lifelong musician. I started doing the research on <hes> you know <hes> you know what's going on in our schools turned cuts cuts and music programs but at the same time you're cutting cutting programs here at the same time. The research is just mounting every day but how effective it is as an educational tool right so it's like so anyway so i went also this is started a nonprofit and music related nonprofit and but people would ask me what what do you mean athletics and now you're doing music the difference like now you're riding back to the question right right well but the but the point is it's the same thing to me. It's about to me. It's about education. That's my passion to get people to think about how we can improve our educational system and i was gonna ask you a question. What are the activities interfere with your writing but i think i know that you use. He's a passion. You've got what you're doing with us. Foundation the to work with but funniest issed or worst or best experiences rider cheer. I'd have to think about that that would be. I would prefer probably yes or no answer on yes or no no questions. Come on you're supposed to these bs or something about this the first time i felt like i could call myself. A writer. Was this when i guess maybe when my first book was published guys. We got five minutes. We got three race last about minute each. We're going to do that and we're gonna wrap this up. We're going to start off with hands this time we don't. I'm just telling you so much doc. You heard about the young girl at the beginning emergency room well now. She's gone out. Jack didn't know where she is and so bad guys are after asking you pick it up and they've taken her and the hold of a shrimp trawler he climbed the metal ladder than closed one side of the metal doors on the roof of the fish hold. All you gotta do is tell us where you stash those papers. He close the door and the cavity became dark but she could easily. Here's voice through the steal a little time breezing your ass off may help you change your mind nine alone. Shannon tried her best wiper hair. Face skin burns where they'd ripped tape. She called on her side trying to conserve or body heat. They could do all i wanted but she wasn't about to tell. Those papers were now. She could prove what they've done to her. Father's and others like him and all those men ruined just for the sake of money nothing and no one was gonna stop her. There were about a half mile and the gulf when wayne came to the wheel house and said what if that bitch told him who said ju you know that dr who took her to the motel jewel looked at him but his dull expression didn't change he lit a cigarette and through the match into the gulf after a couple of deep drag. She said maybe that's why i tried todd or like he did. He picked up his ship to shore radio handset then thought better of it since everyone in the fleetwood here. I'll make the call when we get into tonight even if he don't know he's seen as we gotta do something about that right so <hes> john about leaving us with your final words on the topic. Ah last two paragraphs of the book to meet the increasingly complex challenges of the twenty first century we must develop more populous a corresponding increase in creativity the most effective effective tools and our educational community ourselves to teach creativity music. We no longer live an industrial economy that required workers to be physically fit it unquestionably obedient and able to methodically perform the manual tasks required for an assembly line while football may have been a wise educational investment in early early nineteen hundreds continuing to invest in an activity best suited to prepare workers for a world economy that world economy that no longer exists is his misguided music is far better educational investment than football and providing the skills necessary to succeed in the inter related global information based creative economy me and world community of today in the future. It's really that simple in the end. It comes down to whether we as educational community leaders continued to fund an activity that scrambles brains and is better suited to prepare children for an industrial economy that is long gone or investment in activity that strengthens and builds brain capacity and brain function and that is perfectly suited to prepare our children to more effectively meet the challenges of the twenty-first century all right listen. You got a foul. A poem here called approach burke sure there with us yeah this is from the ship <hes> after months ac- a land uneven as a piece of crumpled paper precipitous heights and dark valley's a beautiful verger even to the tops of the highest peaks closing in they crowded the deck to stare air into unfathomable depths a heaven of hughes remembered heard off meadow shamrock modeled apple subtle mawson awesome tender peas fairy-tale emerald chinese jade mallard peacock wind whistled barley darkest you of cemetery metairie lanes they plunged they drowned in plush abundance earth born wealth as they had not yet praised god drowned in the slippery bilious shades of the sea so obvious and listeners being found out <hes> about john gerdes writing john kirti dot com this whole elizabeth homes poet dot com hands wofford at w. h. Y. dot com after this presentation today. We're going to the ice house. They have beer there so we're going to. They're going to be with counselors you. 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36: Itzik Cohen and Lior Raz: Fauda, Israel's latest Netflix smash hit

Jonny Gould's Jewish State

43:15 min | 1 year ago

36: Itzik Cohen and Lior Raz: Fauda, Israel's latest Netflix smash hit

"Great Britain via Israel to the world face as Gould's Jewish state's. Tell your friends spread the word at subscribe Dow. It's Cohen is the tough yet. Compassionate Kimba Commander Captain Cook in the net flicks hit show founder. I say AIDS rather than plays because as you'll hand he's all about the acting adding that authenticity getting lost in the action of Eight. This is joining us. Jewish state it's been known to tell his fellow actors what to slave to provoke a fight seem to change the script. He's a rail actor and it's a joins me from lockdown Telev- where he lives having grown up in. Ya Four where? He felt misfit but which turned him into an observer of characters. Thank you to new listeners. Right across the world who join me for the first time by listening and subscribing to the previous episode with an Orthodox author Deborah Feldman another smash hit from net flicks. If you've not heard yet scroll down to episode thirty five and while you're there how about hearing a plan peace between Israel and the Palestinians. It's the new state solution. It's episode one in the series with Sajjan Benjamin Antony and Brigadier General Amir. Avi But we don't have peace. It seems as elusive as ever and foued has emerged from it. The conflict provides for never ending stream of stories and TRAUMAS. Something co-creator lead star Laura's aimed for alongside his writing partner. The journalist Abbvie is a car off. It's a special unit very special unit that actually Israel treated in order to avoid mass casualties. You have to go inside a difficult in crazy places in order to to pick undertake just one terrorist instead of bombing a whole neighborhood or something like that. So you risk. Risk your life in order to do that. You have to be amazing actor because you're going to be an undercover and you have to go inside the territories with different language different body language different clothes. Different smell everything. You have to be an amazing actor and very cool died because there is a lot of things that happening around you and you have to avoid all the noises and just concentrate on your the thing that you've been sent to do in order to be an good undercover You have to love the language you have to love the culture. You want to be just like them you can see in the show that they talking between themselves in Arabic you know the Israeli soldiers and they just act and behave like in they love it and not find against all Arabs. He fight just against one terrorist. You should bring to jail. And we'll hear more from Neil Raza later with. Thanks Roger Bennett of men in Blazers. Courage my friend. I'm so glad the man behind captain a yoga. We talk to Johnny Goad Jewish state. It's is central to all three thousand series and the character throughout it perhaps more than any other across the series Captain Ube transformed from a tough professional baps in his early forties to a battle hardened injured senior figure in his fifties. I was really touched by his modesty and his art. He discusses his inner dialogue acting out the most dramatic scenes losing himself in the action to make it more believable and the hilarious close ups of his face in despair and dismay each time. Doggone goes off piste and disobeys his command. Like most Israelis he served in the idea before ending a b a honors in Nineteen ninety-three from the Department of Theatre Telev- University so enjoy the world according to its Cohen. This is Johnny Cole's Jewish State. Those who listen those willing to listen. Cohen at welcome to Johnny Gould's Jewish state and thank you very much for responding to me so quickly. Well thank you Jonny Gould. First of all thank you for For the limitation. I have a good feeling about this. Podcast I never did anything like that. So it's kind of thrilling for me. Why haven't you done anything like this before? Presumably you are in big demand. Now I don't know I don't know everything sorta reasons everything for a reason and I have to thank facebook because I am able to contact people that previously. I would never be able to have done. I would have contacted your agent in Tel Aviv and I would have waited a week for him to get back to me here I am. I'm able to talk to you directly because of the miracle of Silicon Valley things. Thanks thanks for. Silicon Valley founder has taken net flicks. Storm are you surprised at what a smash hit? Founder has been well of course. I'm surprised because when we When we filmed the first season I thought it's going to be a niche serious. Only only a few people in Israel will want to watch because of the subject but of course it is so intense and I don't think there's a weak link in the acting. The acting is outstanding and believable. Every single part and the fact that it's in Hebrew Everett. It's in Arabic as well. It is so convincing and English. Of course well. I don't think there's English and fellow though there is in my version. Oh of course I know. I know the guy who does adopting for the English version of Net flicks. His name is Allama level beyond and he always he always can also connected the by facebook with me to ask because I'm I'm I'M AD-LIBBING. I'm having my own lines fifty percent of what you're saying not written you have to explain. Why what did you say anything after? And then he said well. I know you can add live in Hebrew. But how the hell did you add Libyan Arabic. I understand you don't understand Arabic. I'm I'm taking the you know. The the one that assists the director Arabic and ask him how you save this joke. And how do you say this line and I like to Susan Susan? My role is every time I read this before we came on air. It sick it. Actually you don't speak Arabic whereas Leo Ras is so incredibly articulate in Arabic. You have learned your lines phonetically. Yeah and what's that like? Well it's like it's like learning a song because when you were memorize your lines like one hundred times Zil and even more hours upon hours it's like it becomes a song and when you know it by heart that good you can really play because otherwise you're always thinking what am I going to do next. What am I telling Now so when it becomes like a Song. It's much easier for me to like you to mold it into my own emotions now on a personal level at Sikua born in Tel Aviv. But it just as old your family Naomi and Maya Cohen moved to Yaffa for the remainder of your childhood. You think playing the role of Captain. Ube has helped in. You know from your upbringing. You're able to draw from the multi ethnic Christian Arab Muslim and Jewish background of your phone. It's totally unique place when you think about Tel Aviv. I think the the fact that they moved for from one part of Tel Aviv to a very very different parts of Tel Aviv. Lee shaped me as the person because I did all kinds of parts not just kept in a you know most most of the stuff I did on on the other is musicals and I did laser. The butcher in aphids are under roof. I'M GONNA come to that in a moment. That's the I think because we moved from one area to another I became more More aware of all kinds of people and mostly. Because I didn't really fit in a Yussel Joshua's so I was mostly Have you safe a person who watches everyone An absurd and observer. I like to their so captain. Gabby the tough and uncompromising interrogator an HQ commander in Israel's Shin Bet and every time Doran or Amir Mahajan name might be at any given time. Every time he disobeys you you pull that face that of disbelief. It's something I enjoy most and but it's like that in real life that Israel society is flat. You have commanders and you must obey. Oh commanders but there's a suit of freelance nature an initiative culture about Israel where. Everyone thinks. They're the boss. Well that's that's correct and MIA nearly olas replaced. Dolan's we have such a good chemistry that every time we are on to set something happens something. That's not recent something new for us so it's very slow and between us he you always come in the always comes with a different Different things you want me to Prove and of course. Don't want to approve. Because they're unorthodox and then I have to because it's written in the lives so the way that I can do it without screening tool much humiliated by. It's a miracle it got made a tall by now in the show. Captain Gabby job is the tough uncompromising interrogator and HQ commander in Israel's Shin Bet. I am privileged to save that among the roll-call of Interviewees. I've had Johnny. Jewish state has been the former head Yaacov Perry Did you research Shin Bet chief executives bosses or senior people in order to fulfill this role. Well you know. I'm not a method actor. I never researched that. That's that's I Never Research I. I'm always looking inside of me for the role for the part. Of course I've been I've been in as really army so I know what What kind of person I'm looking for but usually don't do any kind of research. Memorize my lines. Wow so you'll drawing from your own personal experience in life and perhaps in previous professional roles as well. I usually don't use the professional roles because I I like to be very specific and very different from every role I did. I don't want to duplicate myself. I always look for something new something else and I always look for. He has to be very authentic and then very how do you say Believable of course. This is like the basic to give believable. But then again i. I like to be surprising. Because captain a ube as you say very very tough commander but then again he's is full of heart and he's very warm with the person he Interrogates and then again he becomes very tough so I wasn't looking just for the tough person but but but for very human Person yes there has been that Vote Dave fachet that about-turn as we say in Italian when while lead suddenly threatened you from behind camera in the next door room and he threatened your family. Gabby family to which you lost your temper. You came in and you punch the living daylights out of him. Which was it was the first time that we had seen you. Drop your guard and I guess that was the moment you're thinking about that you'll causing a surprise within the lexicon of the the part that you're plane. Yeah this is a this is like my favorite scene in the second season because we were sitting and eating lunch between shooting knee and the the guy plays will lead and I was talking to him because the line said well. It is in their interrogation room. And he's looking at the camera that cabbies watching him from and he says I know you're looking at me. Gabby I will come and kill you and I told him during lunch. Listen you have to tell something about my kids you have to tell Gabrielle will kill your kids because this is the only thing that I think is catching. You will be furious about. So he told me well. We have to say to tales the director. We are changing the lines. I told him he doesn't know our. Because you can say whatever you think. That was the scene. He said I will kill you and your kids and then and then I. I'm jumping out of my skin. I Dunno saved in English but something really burst out of me and I think that the shifting the quick shifts in in when you play a role are very very important understood and I guess that's something from your Theatrical background as well now in the show captain job is described as being of Lebanese and Egyptian parentage and the parents met in the middle your trusted by and work with the Palestinian preventive security. The friendship with our Bouma hair and his miscreant child who became an extremist. The implication being that perhaps you're not Jewish in the show perhaps drew's or Christine. You're a perfect middleman. Is that fair? I missed the point about captain. Now you know Geffen a you is. He's Jewish but like most Jewish people in Israel the their parents came from Arab countries. And he says I'm half fairly beneath an FAA gypsum. But my parents are Jewish He's a he's he's he's rarely and energy of course But he speaks fluent Arabic because his parents. I just wanted to make that clear because Just looking at it from the outside. I can see that. Now he's Misery Jew but the name Ube and the fact that one of his parents came from. Lebanon that they met in the middle. The implication perhaps was a bit confusing that perhaps he might be a Christian. Go between someone can talk between being an Israeli a full citizen but a Christian Israeli someone who can talk in the West Bank Judea and Samaria with Muslims as well. Yeah that's that's understood but everyone in the Shabazz has the nickname a youtube is gabby nickname because The his people you know from the Shebek Holden Gabby and for their For Hamas for the jetties. The captain kept He's in charge of that now. Net flicks is available in one hundred and ninety two countries and taking with it. Many Israeli television series What is it about Israeli drama? That's made yours and other series like Unorthodox and still so successful. I don't know I really don't know. Today I've been speaking with someone from Nepal and the and the generally from Italy and Fans from India and from Brazil. Today this very day. I I don't know it's it's it's really. It's really impressive in extremely stunning for me to know that. So many people see you know in India. It's number four a net. The fourth Most viewer TV. Show on Netflix in India. Nearly as you age that's amazing. That's really amazing. I do think that culturally the reason. It's such a big hit in India for example when I go to the IDF twitter feed when they wish The Welsh about Shalam from the twitter feed there are so many messages from India. Or I didn't know that perhaps I wasn't India a few years ago idea kind of reality showing in Bollywood you know were they making the Indian film industry and now they really love Israeli and US railly's for some reason it's a good reason. Good job input. Yeah the the show is so popular because when authenticity and truth are so How do you say are so perspirant in this show because we always you know when we're feeling the show it doesn't really You don't feel like you're on set. You really feel like you're in realized because everything is so stressful on on fouled upset. Because you you never have enough time to do. Do enough takes for one scene. So you know what's what's the most popular word onset on file to set it. Seattle. Let's go ahead yacht ally three shooting. You know it's like a war. It's rakish shooting time and believe me that tension jumps out of the TV screen to my Sofa here in London with my wife. We Watch it till three in the morning. You are the reason why we don't get any sleep. Notwithstanding at two young children who certainly help in stopping asleep or with friends. Don't watch fowzia nighttime. You you won't be able to sleep. It's too stressful. It brings home the war on a very human basis both on the Israeli side and on the Arab side and perhaps with the internecine battles between Hamas the Palestinian Authority there is a lack of trust between those militias and those groups whereas the Israelis are very much together even though there is a fight within the The group between Golly The door on Yeah and I've forgotten his name for second wing of the second season. Yeah yes it's played by Safi Zafy. Yes so the fighting is with fists but he would never ever get any more than that because there's a cameraderie on the Israeli side that that can never be broken. That's that's that's through this really a real friendship and you can feel it too right now. You know in this corona times when you feel like there is a huge amount of love and partnership even when you're walking on the streets People really understand each other and when there's the war like the corona everyone joins to each other in order to to conquer it's it's It's a very very sensitive. Subject has founded being criticized and considered dishonest or even anti Palestinian there has been controversy on the BCS side the boycott divestment and sanctions people. But every time they make a criticism of Israel and tell you that you should be banned from net flicks. It's a kind of backhanded compliment. Isn't it well I I don't really You know I'm I don't have any kind of opinion about because when you do something so meaningful there will always be a part of people's lives you and People who doesn't really approve of what you're doing. This is part of being in this industry. Of course being in Israel I think when I when I just realized this week that powder is the number one show on Netflix in Lebanon and in the United Emirates. So this is really hysterical because you understand that even Arab people watch it and Appreciated in a way because I think fouled out is not trying to see a trying to show any side like how you say like it's better than the other shows. People says the people decide on that side and we'll all in the same. You said the same swamped yes. Yes Leo Russia's Hints at the idea in an interview which I've heard that the reason why it's so popular in the Sunni world in particular is because of the respect that he and his fellow actors showed to the Arab language he really loves it and of course Arabic culture you know. Many people in Israel started to learn Arabic because of Saodah. Well so I think. Foued a really connects between the two sides a dozen No did such a good work for the connection between the two Between the Israelis and Palestinians. So I think it's it's it's a good thing it wasn't a you know a pre planned but that happens. It's my wife is a Moroccan Sephardi. And she grew up speaking a form of Moroccan Arabic and she enjoys hearing the language again even though the dialect that is spoken engineering scenario in Gaza is quite different from her Moroccan Arabic. And for me who Learnt EVERETT AT SCHOOL. I am enjoying hearing these similarity. Between certain Arabic words and Everett words it is a very very authentic Arabic that the long Kabilia speaks a but let me ask a question. Which is that. Is there ever any time? When an undercover operative who is from Israel gets one aspect of the pronunciation of one word? Wrong which makes him sound like a spy. Yeah this is very very important because when you'll work undercover your Arabic has to be fluent because they you know if someone doesn't really speak the language she can Really get caught real fast. It's a it's A. It's a real matter of life or death so It's like you should. It's like playing for your life date. Indeed now. The scenes are incredible and the The place his in which you filmed are extraordinary. You must have had some difficulties making the movie on site in Judea and Samaria. You've surely didn't make it in. Gaza did you now. It wasn't field Gaza because it's impossible to impulsive bacher reduce the shoot in Arab villages and the hospital was amazing. Everyone wants to be unsettled. Foul on this sets of foul just like streaming into the set just to be on the The camera series four should come to London. We have our own issues handsome. Maybe could who knows now up. The atmosphere in series one is something. I want to talk about because the relationship between Jews in Arab 's onset who were talking to each other constantly both about the creation of each scene must have had an extra dimension of tension because it was during one of the Israel. Gaza was with you. Know when you're in the middle of production am when you have the same goals for Arab actors or Israeli Jewish actors when you have the same goal and you have the same director same producer in the same Liras Roz everyone really recruit itself to the goal and we didn't have any kind of arguments or a difficulties during the first season between the Jewish actors Arab actors. I think for in order to make peace in the world. You just need the production. You just need a producer. One user will says to everyone. This is the goal. The goal is to do that. And you're making something when you create something there isn't never a war I think. Well that's great to hear. I did promise that we would talk about your career in theatre Earlier on in the interview it's a Q. Also played a laser wolf. That get that that the that done it. This is my culture. It's fiddler on the roof. This is where I'm from the Hayme or at least my grandparents were And the performance of Ezra Sapir was described as that of a lifetime in father's braid. What what a broad and diverse grounding you have is it fair to say it's sick you're one of the most accomplished actors whose come at this from the performing arts rather than actually the the route that Leo took which was actually acting out his life in a unit. Well my career was really Really amazing because I got to play so many different roles. I was singing. I was dancing. I did You know I did on. Tv dancing with the stars. I did laser. Was I play a AETNA AETNA on hairspray traces mom on her spirit? And maybe this is verse appeal was I was thirty five when I play the seventy five year. Old Men Dying of lung cancer. They'll I really am. I really enjoyed doing different roles really different from me and really challenging for me because I feel I always feel like have to invent myself in a different way and even if I might say you did that in this show too whereas Doran. Whoever he's playing remains very consistent operative you go from being she say a man in his early. Middle Age in the show to being someone who might be a few years from retirement. Indeed someone who picked up a knee injury on a mission and then walks around with a walking frame at. It's very very touching. How your role takes you from? Perhaps your late thirties into your early fifties and you really move the part on into sort of middle age you become less physical in series three but perhaps more of a boiled up aggression of an older man. Well that's thanks to our. You know the Leo is and obvious Harold who created Fowler before we started shooting this season three. They told me we're going to give you the best season for you. You're going to struggle real hard and what you what did you. What do you prefer something around your neck or a walking Electric please please. Not something around my neck. In stifling heat of Israel it is very moving and Eat as I say I'm glad that you you agree with me. The standout of going in punching Walid is your favorite scene but there might be another one as well which is when your good friend Mahara commodity my hand. I get shot and killed in your hiding behind a wall to protect yourself from a halo bullets. Which is way you get injured as well. That must of also being something that you treasures and actor. You know when when when we should've seen you know the I always say to myself please. Don't act please. Please don't do anything. I really thank God because when I'm on set slyke my body. We accident situation immediately. My heart starts racing without me even doing I never you know. I don't know how to do myself like now. I'm angry now I'm crying. Everything really happens in an organic way. So this is the very meaningful for me as an actor. Try Not to act but just to be in the situation to be with my partner to speak to the person who's in front of me. Talk into there is. I'm I'm not. It's not that I'm not aware of the cameras and everything but I'm really trying to be with the partner and in the situation. It secure a very very accomplished actor. It has been a true privilege to share some of your acting ideas here on Johnny Gould's Jewish state and now that you're in the premier league. I'm sure you whichever country visit your recognized in the street. What is next for you now? That you are literally Globalstar. Well I don't really know because this situation of the Kobe. Nineteen changed everything. I wasn't a little tweet. Different theater shows in ready to film something of Israel and everything really stopped and I don't know what whatever will be will be. That's how the song goes awry. I think I'm I'm. I'm really going to go abroad and to work outside of his wailing my next phase. That's my feeling it cohen. Thank you very very much for joining us here on Johnny Gould's Jewish state. And thank you Johnny for this lovely My first how do you say podcasts at this is your first? I can't believe it. Well you've made a terrific debut. Thank you very much. Thank you okay. I would say this kept Moslem how to be superb. This both lightened shade from powder. Amiss episode encompasses that just as the dramas to Leo razz admits himself a lot of healing came out of writing and making founder starting behalf with the most agonizing moment of all his life losing his girlfriend to a terror attack when he was just a teenager he remembers erase. Azoulay okay Um when I was nineteen. I had a beautiful amazing girlfriend. Name Erie says well I? We were together for three years since we were sixteen. She was my sweet love. My I I really amazing. Love story between Earth and when she was nineteen she went out from her home in Jerusalem and the Palestinian terrorists came and stabbed to death her in another to challenge. Solution Elliott threats three people and he got caught and they put him in jail and actually. I didn't talk about erase for really something like twenty years. Not with my family not with my friends but when we started to sit me and Avi together and write the show avenue her. We knew each other from Jerusalem Ian since we were young and he told me. Listen Leo. Let's let's talk about erase. Let's let's write about her and he convinced me and actually wrote a role about a woman who's dying in terror attack in how it affected her boyfriend who serve in the same unit and how received it and it was just like I had when I was young and just the texts that we are. They're talking. They're just texted me and I used to talk you know and also it's. It's quite hard to imagine yourself doing an addition to actress. That's supposed to play or dead girlfriend. It's not so easy so this thing was also healing process for me because something that I didn't talked about for many years. Now I'm talking about it with you and we wrote about it and what's so special and happened because of the show that because we dedicated the episode to erase hundreds of thousands of people all over the world now searching her name in her story and for me and I think for family as well. It's it's a big present and one thing. He is clear to highlight. Is this amazing lack of fear amongst Israeli youth who face up to the enemy seemingly without fear he says there is no time for fear that when you are there. You don't think it's hysterical. You think you're doing your job and you're doing it very well you you like it you love it and you want to participate in more and more operations because this is your goal and this is what you want to do and you don't see it as a crazy thing you see it just as a normal thing. I think you are just a normal. You play like just James Bond a little bit so it's Nice. There is no fear you in a fight song so when you're in a fight zone you have the adrenaline rush when you have an Adrenalin rush there. There's no space or time to fear. You just want to do your thing when you go home beck later twenty years later than you think about it. I think in Israel seventy five percent of the population have PDF's deep post traumatic disorder. I went up psychologists eight years ago for the first time in my life. Now I know that all the symptoms that I had before the show vanished gone just because I wrote about it I talked about it I actually played again a role of someone. Who was there was a drug therapy writing therapy? Everything so I don't have I can sit now with my back to the door and I don't care to healing process through creation. We are a good team and Avi a really good team. I'm an actor. I came from the creative side. He's journalists he knows. You have a lot of knowledge and as you've seen Fowler. We showed the politics between the Palestinians inside of the Palestinian society. And this thing is just because of olive because he knows it so well. I didn't want to get hail from post trauma. I just wanted to tell a story to Israeli audience. I don't like television shows or movies that the bad guys are just a flatbed guys. It's not interesting anymore. They have the kids have their wife's and I remember that I went to the writer's room and I said I'm an actor and I want to be able to love to play each and every character in the show and in order to do that they have to be around characters and we have to show them in a way that you can connect to and actually I know some about so many stories in the Israeli Palestinian conflict that Israel caught terrorists just because of their love to their wives. There were so obsessed with the wipes so they sent pictures sent flowers scent perfume and then Israel could track that and caught them so we are human beings. Are ABS. Love my character because we did a few things first of all. We owner the language because we love Arabic. We really have if you see if you understand Arabic. We talking an amazing accent and put many Arabic music. When we started shooting the show in August fifteen there was a war between Israel and Gaza operative edge. We call it. It was very hard missiles. Were coming down on us a while. We were shooting in far custom and it's an Arab village in Israel so Jewish Muslims together for month and a half working in a creative bubble with passion for cinema and for television and create creation. And it was amazing experience for all of us. I think everyone will remember this summer because it was so intense and so hard but it was so warm and so full with love for many people on the set and on the show that they were sitting every day. Three times a day eating with Arabs actors in talking even though it was during the war. If you catch one terrorist the other one will come immediately and then the chase is continuing all the time until someone would say stop. It's the same story over and over and over again you have to know and to try to put your legs and mind and brain in. There's in order to understand them and not just his enemies. You know there is a lot of hate in the world you can save. People hate many minorities because they are different than them in order to know them and accept them. You have to try to think like them and you have to try to feel compassion to them. I think you have to follow your dream and not be afraid of anything or anyone. Who telling you that it's bullshit or don't do that and you know how many broadcaster didn't want our show so many we had so many knows on our way to success. Just don't hear it. Just follow your dreams. Just go straight and don't let anyone to interrupt you on your way to success. I think you have to dream. Decide that you're doing it and to create it but very fast. Don't let life you know. Go through and and just waiting for your dreams and creation and maybe and go for it with thanks to Roger Phileo Razz. I hope you've enjoyed this episode. Tell your friends share on facebook in email and scroll down to listen to a few more of episodes and leave a rating and review on podcasts muscle. I'm your holiday be.

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154 | Shell Shocked

Aaron Mahnke's Cabinet of Curiosities

09:14 min | 1 year ago

154 | Shell Shocked

"Our world is full of the unexplainable and history is an open book. All of these amazing mazing tales right there on display just waiting for us to explore. Welcome to the cabinet of curiosities. There's a reason so. Many people have searched the world for the holy grail. The Cup from which Jesus drank at the last supper to sip from the cup is to gain eternal life. They say. Other legends of immortality have been passed down through the ages as well the ancient Greeks wrote about a special water in Africa belonging. To a people known as the microbials water was said to allow these macro biens to to live well beyond one hundred years of age. We know that story better today. Thanks to conquistador on Staley on who famously went in search of it during the mid eight. Fifteen hundreds because of his expedition the concept of a fountain of Youth has spread throughout the world as something of a common legend. However ponts De Leon looked for the Fountain of Youth on an island off the coast of Florida when he should have been searching? The Kingdom of Tonga a Polynesian sovereign states eleven hundred miles off the coast of New Zealand island was once home to a great king to eat. Melilla came to power in seventeen seventy seven. It was at that time when he met James Cook a British captain within the Royal Navy who was the first European explorer to have ever set foot on the shores of such exotic places as Hawaii and eastern Australia. Captain Cook came. I'm bearing a gift to which he presented to the people of Tonga before leaving to see the rest of the world and this gift remained on the island to be cared for by the royal family. Eventually eventually became clear that this gift was special as to Melilla despite his growing age continued to live through numerous historical milestones where other leaders. Here's would abdicate. The throne to their children to eat. Melilla kept on ruling the French Revolution the American civil war as well as the inventions of the Telegraph. The lightbulb and the telephone all occurred while he was sitting on the Tongan thrown during Manila's reign as King New York became a bustling metropolis and two presidents residents were assassinated. The horse drawn carriage gave way to the steam engine which eventually led to Henry Ford's model t and to eat Melilla. was there to see it. All so when word of the seemingly immortal king made its way to other countries. They're leader is made plans to meet with him. Queen Elizabeth the second took a tour of the island in nineteen fifty three with the express purpose of speaking with the king. There are even photographs of the two monarchs walking the royal grounds together ten years later after having met with the Queen and witnessing historical events like the seeking of the titanic and the entirety of World War Two to eat Melilla passed away from natural causes so he was one hundred eighty eight years old. The thing about the king though was that he had discovered the Fountain of Youth Nor had the gift the Captain Cook delivered to him given him immortality mortality to we Mulela you see was captain. Cook's gift a turtle or radiated turtle to be exact. Originally from Madagascar Captain Cook had found him during one of his expeditions and took him aboard his ship only to present him to the Tongan Royal Family when he arrived to e Molla. Ella wasn't a real king. No turtle can be of course but he was a symbol and a cultural icon for both the family and the island as a whole he holds the Guinness. This world record for longest living tortoise and his body has been preserved for display in the Tongan National Center on Tonga's made island of Tongatapu however twohey Louima Leila isn't the only no internal to have lived over one hundred fifty years in the mid seventeen hundreds a young Algebra giant tortoise was given to Robert Clive an official L. with the east India company named Aguada. The animal lived on his estate for some time before it was transferred to the alley poor zoo in India in eighteen. Seventy five where it lived until its death in two thousand six. If zoologist had known it's official birthday they could accurately determined his age for now. Oh to eat. Melilla still holds the record but it is estimated that odd way eats a live to be even older passing away at the ripe old age of two hundred fifty years. So it seems the old fable about the tortoise and the Hare still has a lot to teach us when it comes to living longer. Slow and steady wins the race. Uh Good luck tends to be elusive. Lost Lottery tickets Poorly bet horse race and bad hand poker can ruin a good time some say once. It's found luck doesn't stick around for long so make the most of it while you have. Joseph Samuel stumbled upon a bit of good luck early in his life. Not much is known about him though. He served seven years in an English prison for robbery when he was only fourteen years old after his sentence was over. He went to Sydney Australia where he didn't quite abandon his old life of petty crime. In fact things got worse there. Samuel fell in with a bad crowd. He and another man Isaac. Isaac Simmons took to robbing houses on one night in August of eighteen. O Three Samuel and Simmons entered the home of a Mrs Mary Breeze. They Stole Twenty Four Guineas and other small small coins as well as a desk. Mrs Breeze filed a report that nights and constable Joseph luker decided to take a look around her property. You must have found what he was was looking for. Because the next day loopers body was discovered right behind Mrs Breezes home making him. The first on-duty police officer killed in Australian history. mm-hmm an investigation into the murder was launched immediately and it didn't take long for authorities to find Simmons and Samuel at the center of it all Samuel however confessed to everything and was sentenced to far more than a handful of years in prison. He was hanged for his crimes. Simmons wasn't out of the woods though the police knew that he'd been involved auld and so he was ordered to attend his friends. Execution One month later Joseph Samuel and another man were escorted to the gallows they were given their last rights but the rabbi attending to Samuel asked for a final confession before he was hanged Joseph recanted his confession claiming that his accomplice Isaac Simmons Actually told him that he had done it while the two were briefly incarcerated. Simmons was in the audience as he'd been instructed and when the people nearby found out they began to turn on him. mm-hmm the man standing beside Samuel was given a pardon at the eleventh hour once the drama had died down. Only Joseph Samuel was to hang that day about his head head and prayed as the hangman's slip a noose around his neck. The car attached to the rope was told to start. Moving Holding Samuel in the air to slowly strangle him to death He struggled for several seconds before falling unconscious and falling onto his face as well. The rope holding him up had snapped the executioner and the constables. Got Him on his feet and prepared him for another try once again. They tighten the noose around his neck and the car pulled away this time. The rope stretched and unraveled and he found himself with his two feet on the ground again. This time the crowd cheered while the police figured the whole thing thing was to be an unfortunate coincidence. Many in the audience assumed that it was something else. Something heavenly clearly Joseph Samuel was not meant to hang that day to the police tried one more time to execute him and as the cart moved again. The rope gave out just like the first time Samuel his throat sore and his body the weekend had survived three separate hangings. In one day the crowd could not be contained. They demanded that he be pardoned which the governor did right away citing citing divine intervention on behalf of the accused. Sadly Samuel couldn't beat the system a fourth time. His crimes got him shipped out to Newcastle where he list to work in the mines in eighteen. O Six and a group of seven other men try to escape by boat a storm moving in caught up with them and their vessel was destroyed. All all eight men were presumed lost at sea. It appears that Mr Samuel had finally reached the end of his rope. I hope you've enjoyed today's guided tour of the cabinet of curiosities. Subscribe for free on Apple podcasts or learn more about the show by visiting curiosities ACITIES PODCAST DOT COM. The show was created by me Erin Minke in partnership with how stuff works. I make another award. Winning show called Lor which is a podcast book series and Television Show and you can learn all about it over at the world of Lor Dot Com and until next time stay curious.

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442 - Raffaele Minichiello

The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds

1:34:38 hr | 8 months ago

442 - Raffaele Minichiello

"You're listening to the dollop on the all things comedy network. American history podcast each week. Electric phone owner. Man Who mows lawns God reader of books Dave Anthony, reach the story from American history to his guy what's Gareth? Reynolds who has no idea what the topic is going to be about don't call me your guy honestly why Let's just come on what are we doing here? What are we doing well for solar doing an intro. But secondly, we're showing up top for we get into story. We're showing that we have an emotional connection with each other a connection that goes deep. Deep inside of each other indoor souls. Back out of her holes, how God and from that, we share a deep love. Okay so now now seems like. Okay. and interested in one another. The shines bright. Let's just do the history. Know Gareth. There was a time when I look back on my life and I saw one set of footprints. and Jesus said what's going on there and I said that's where Gareth carried me why is he even there? What is the? He's what he's there and he he would know the fee he knows the footprints thing that's his legacy. He's like a ghost. He follows you around like a ghost know that's the Holy Ghost. Would you have some respect for the Holy Trinity please Jesus Hearts People he's. A haunting all the time he's always around. That's Jesus. that. That's Jesus. Christ. Our Hey I died again for you the cash you wanted to. Budge died again. That's right because you banged the neighbor I died again for your sins. No hold on I didn't. I catch the part where you said something about banging and then the walls. Okay. Right Jesus thanks for stopping, by okay. And called the. Jam Packed. The fucking Guy Dave. Okay. Gary Scary. And this is not gonNA to. Go. On a five part could. Hit Him with the puppy. RESENT SIP, arguments. If that's like. My friend. Order. This podcast is brought to you in part by ZIP. Recruiter. 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Now or you can give it to a food bank or something because certainly foodbanks need help right now for some reason I feel like there shouldn't be car lines two miles long for food. This is Dave this is depressing. This is what the end of the show for this doing early November second. Nine, thousand nine, hundred, forty, nine year of our Lord Jesus Christ. Spirit Ghost. Yeah Rafael, a miniature yellow was yellow miniature was born in a small Italian town named Melito LP. No. David I'm getting a little. Over here. Yeah Yeah. How does this keep going? I'll say when? It's a bit northeast of Naples okay. Because this was postwar conditions, not great, right Raphael was raised poor in a country house. Things went from bad to worse when three earthquake struck the region in August nineteen, sixty, two, one, six, point four and a five point. Well, I was wondering again and aftershocks but the aftershocks were just as that's quite a run though. Yeah So. Raphael's family lived twenty kilometers from the epicenter, which is for those of US listening one hundred and fifty miles. That's right. Over half the buildings in the area were seriously damaged tons of landslides, entire town of Melito Rabin. was. Now. Uninhabited. Had to be evacuated. Man So people were moved into tents or shacks in a nearby. Area K Sixteen Thousand People Homeless Holy Shit Sixteen thousand living in shanties on hills. Yes basically. Okay. They had knocked on the entire town of rebuild it so One of the homeless families Rafael's they also had lost most of their possessions in their quake. And Raphael Looking back on it which say, no one in authority came to help them. well, wonder. Wonder if this parallel anything. This began Raphael's Distrust Authority the family decided at this point to move to America for a better life there. Okay. The hell out may let's go. It'd be disappointed in another country for a change. Let's go to the. To. Get of this, go to this base in need. Start a new life for a set of the space needle. Finally, I want to see a packs place. And what are the mariners play I? WanNa throw out the first pitch. How does that work? Coffee has shit by the way anyone listen like there are some people who just right now went oh, fuck it's GonNa be like this. Yeah it is. It is one that is okay. Yeah. Okay. So So they moved to Seattle Rafael is fourteen years old really hard really hard move for him. Yeah. He only spoke the AARP. Dialect, which I don't know if you know about dialects but so it's just like it's off it's off the language it's not it's not Italian related to time but sure enough that it's it's enough that it's a little confusing, right? Yes there like which happens in a lot of countries where there's like. The language that everyone in that country would understand, but it's maybe not directly translated into the language. Right. So this makes it even harder for him to sort of. Blend in. And he went to attack. This guy's really Italian likes. Adult He's like I'm trying to say. So. Let's related where I? It's a sports multiple. I mean if he does say spicy meatball then I'd know where he's from but especially move ball. I think he's trying to tell us something day. So. He goes to foster high school. He gets picked on a lot. He gets teased for his very thick accent, right? So this leads unlike guys like you and I paths and our understanding of his plate. That's correct. Which would never make fun of someone's are trading it seriously. That's right. So he's withdrawn he he's not talking very much. He does succeed. He's very good and mechanical drawing, which was because he had taken a learned that in a shop in Italy, but he's also very good with his hands. Feels very, very good with his hands. He drops out of high school in Nineteen Sixty seven. He had always dreamed of becoming an airline Pilot Abou- that's gone. That's out of the picture lies I totally out of the just because of his. High. School degree degree. Okay. So he goes to San Diego and enlist in the Marines. Now. This is sixty seven. I thought a said of the mariners. I follow the sound of to far shit while I'm here. Okay no it's. So this is. The war zone. So he's going to he's going into Vietnam, but it's also not out of character because he's known. Friends say he's very stubborn but also very gung Ho so so if you show and if you show up to like. The marine offices while there's an act like I want to serve they're like, well, we don't need to see any documentation come right over here. We'll have you fitted right now. Like they're just ready to get people out there. S Right. He was really proud American. And he hoped fighting in Vietnam. Make him a naturalized citizen that's what he wanted, which was a lot of our immigrants do and the core thing now is a lot of them that fought actually just get kicked out so. He sent he sent to Camp Pendleton, which is just Near Los, Angeles or like our South I guess Rodney near a beverly. Hills. The hills his trainers. Very impressed. They described it as a casual disassembling and reassembling of weapons like he's just like. Say He's so good with his hands manacle. Yeah he's just like this is easy. In, late. Nineteen sixty-seven Rafael is to be. US eighteen years old. To go yeah ago. Yeah. Enjoy it. He arrived in December perfect. Our Rafael was a grunt. So in the thick of it, right? Close friends are being killed. He's he's he's very good. He saving other soldiers who are in danger the ended up receiving the Cross of Gallantry for Harare conduct during the war. While he's there he's trying to save money and send it back and he opens up this marine savings account. Okay. So he is set. You sent I think it works you send it to like someone at the base and then they put in your account. Okay. Altogether eight hundred bucks. So, also, he's in Vietnam. He starts to hate his commanders because of their racism. Okay. Welcome. He wanted to be American. You get in the whole thing. Yeah you'RE GONNA jam. Quote the leaders of my platoon just think of me as cannon fodder always send me I up the road with a minesweeper so they can walk soft and not gain blown-up send the walk they say Oh my God. That's just Well Dave I'm going to go on record. That's not cool. It's always amazing to me that outside of the. Eighteen hundreds that people are like, what about the? What are the? MIC? Like the racism at it's so recent. Yeah Yeah. So. After thirteen months, he comes back to the US is back at Camp Pendleton. He's having a hard time readjusting. Soldier from his everywhere. I go. Nobody calls me the WOP, which is it's tough to adjust. There's nothing to mine sweeper. Be Okay, he alabi okay. On a C. like the cliff's edge out you're not allowed to be over there. Oh, sorry. I just having a little bit of musical sorta to myself I. Guess I'll start Seeing in my Song Rafael. Sorry sorry. Set apart that the movie this is where everyone feels so endeared to me and says that I have such a bright future but here I am just on a cliff's edge looking into the sky saying. Hey what we be this can I finish can least get to the chorus for a second back on the base wrap it up. Okay. All right. The finish, the car real quick and then, and then you clean the retrain. But I just came back. In it. All right. Let me just finish this I. Just dropped a couple of spicing meatballs in there. Okay. This really come on man. Let's get over that already. All right. The chorus he smear off. Vera. WHO's The corporates? Yeah there's a little more but I'm like talking to God but you guys are given me a complex because it's not a simple. It's a complex. The Godson is a ghost blow. Get is on. Him. What are you look like? Like. Oh, he's a pretty he's a pretty White Guy Oh wait. I just wrote a new verse about it. Oh hold on. You know what ams are ghost and it's maybe agee's. Hannah what I'm the ghost. His speed I. Already know. That's really bad. So what can progress? What do you want? Not Everything is as simple as a take apart. It's very in progress. This is the part of where I sing it to myself, and they don't know that I'm a singer fester now now but de. Nada FACA FUCK WITTY So. A soldier from his platoon said quote there are a lot of sick people confuse people raphael was in some state. All of us were confused when we left Vietnam, most of the platoon would be diagnosed with PTSD. Raphael checked his marine savings account. Away But there was not eight hundred dollars. There was only six hundred dollars. He goes to the unit paymaster. I think this guy, he was sending his money to anyway the guys total Dick and he just says you're wrong about how much he said. Cool. So. Raphael goes to superior officers and they just blow them off and dismisses complaint okay. So now, he considers this to be an enormous betrayal quote. I had done my part during those thirteen months of the Vietnam War but I was treated without due respect. Is believe in America is dashed. He starts drinking a lot. And then one night he decides he's going to break into the pediatrics. Which is people is the store there on the base and he's GonNa steal either money or two hundred dollars worth of stuff mean apply set at Ryan's pediatrics subpoenaing. Okay. then. He figured they'd be even steal it or get the money so. I forgot if he started drinking before he did this imaginative but I think he continued drinking in the store. Let me tell you something you WanNa Rob Drunk. Do not leave this to your regular sober self always give yourself some balances shoes maybe a little double vision. Then get in see what's going on. Then you then then take you know case the joint, take the stuff. That's most cat burglars were hammered. Hammered. I don't think that's true I actually feel like I'm gonNA throw a flag on that. All right. Well, I'll back down. There known for being really sort of skilled and able to move while. My facts come from gut instinct. That's fair. So he keeps drinking beers and then he a goes to sleep on the floor of the store. Oh boy see this is why he can't do that. And the Rafael. He. Star fly. You can. Know. Holocaust. So they find him the next morning and he is arrested and put in jail for ten days. By the way you've gotTa just this is you've just got to prep yourself for this awakening like if you wake up in a store that you've been robbing and police are there, you just gotta get up and go God. Damnit did they get away? They hit my head so hard? Yeah. I was calling pediatrics it's a PX. So. He He's charged K, and then a court martial date is set. He could get up to six months in jail. So now from his perspective, he got ripped off two hundred dollars. He tried to get two hundred dollars back and now he might be in jail for six months. Well, he's he's a step. Yes. For sure it's bullshit. So he's livid, he's furious. He had a he just taken back with the Marines has stolen from him. So the day before his court trial Rafael Bolts. K.. Actually to him. It takes a bus Los Angeles. I'm going to be a movie actor. Of course, he took his Chinese rifle. which he had picked up in in Vietnam it was officially registered as a trophy war trophy. Taking off a soldier guy. Who personally killed sure. So, you go straight to lax and he buys a ticket on a TWA flight to San Francisco for now fifty now, all I can dave because. Obviously. I'm seeing some puzzle pieces spear. He has the firearm with him. Yup Okay well, yeah he does other fire with him. Yes. This is not a little bit. Okay. Okay. Sure. Just want to make sure and are you take? Are you putting this in your bag or you're going to take this on the plane time? How what would what would you like? You're allowed to go on the flat for free, but then you have to pay for a third. Otherwise, we can check as many as you like and send me to your destination. While he has a carry on right and inside the carry on is m one rifle which he had taken apart. So he has an open carry on. So. He's in a tube. Gun Is I. Don't know what probably like a male tube or something like it's just all packed into it to what do you do I'm an architect no more questions. He also has two hundred and fifty rounds of ammunition. Kicked key. Shea, which is a lot which is more. That's plenty plenty for a flight. That's right. How many pilots they have a million? You don't know how many times you're going to shoot on plane. Yeah. Might get into a gunfight well. Bullets only pierce half as much because of the oxygen. It's like it's like what they say with alcohol one in the heirs to on the ground. So. There's not much security then no one checked his back. So. At the at the most they would have waited but then no one is looking through it but just who would do anything it's an airplane. There's there's still some passengers on the plane when he gets on the plane had come from Kansas City, what about your denying where you're like crossing over with passengers from a previous flight? But. That's happened where you where you get on the second leg when you get the second leg but not people who are like excuse me Oh. So there's OH. That's what you're saying. Okay. Sorry. I thought you meant. About to leave the flight, it's like well, I'm I sit there. System for this shouldn't they? Well. They don't. You know what they should do is they should create fifteen different born in groups that are tiered oddly, and they don't start with one until they've named seven other groups that would make sense. That'd be amazing. It's late. Also, it's like one one am most people are super tired when it gets on. Now hijackings are relatively new. This is a new thing. It started maybe around the sixties. Even after they started. Airlines were fighting against having security sure because they didn't want to ruin passengers flying experience they wanted to. What an era can you imagine a time when an airline was like? Well, we're just thinking about the customer experience here. You. Imagine. What a time to be alive. No. Also, the first time like someone hijacked plane, you must have been like this is crazy but. This guy named genius. Yeah. This. So they also didn't want to slow down the check in process so they were just against so it's not happening now. They're in this year nineteen, sixty, nine it's October twenty eight they're already been fifty four hijackings in the US. There's like well, we got away bags. That's it. We. Got Away on there. There's one hijacking every six days that is I mean imagine for guys like who used to travel as much. If every city you'd be like man, I got a bad field you. You'd be like do do. A. Look at that guy he's got. He's packing heat. I might have to do it myself. So the crew is now it's three guys in the cockpit and four young female flight attendants. Charlene de Monaco. The most experienced. She had one year under her belt as a flat agenda. She's twenty three years old. The flight before the Captain Captain Donald Cook whose thirty one, he told the flight attendants, there's a new rule to enter the cockpit ring a bell outside the door instead of knocking. Ring. A bell as. Per a sick old woman would for a butler. Or. Is there like an actual bell? There's a bell there. There's actually a bell that you ring but like a not like not a button. A button I think it's actual bell. I might be wrong. But this is what I read. This is that was described as ringing a Bell I'm not sure that maybe it is maybe there's a plan, but it was just described as about I just can't imagine I mean that is just so amazing. So maybe it is maybe it's a bell you might say right pops up on the. Nine look they're weighing bags because they care about the customer experience they might have a bell up there down his up I mean, let me get plane the it'll underwater for flights during this time, right? Look, it's not exaggeration to say that someone with an actual belder ringing because this guy just walked on with a backpack with two hundred and fifty bullets in like he must have walked down the bell and been like that's that's reassuring. So So he probably walked on saw the bell and he was like boy that things going to be ringing a lot later. Candidate captain. When Charlene saw. Rafael get on the plane she noticed him she thought he was the plight, but he was a little bit nervous. He's very attractive. He's very, he's Tan. Got Flattened wavy hair and he's dressed in camouflage. Okay, he's Italian. I mean. He also has a big tube sticking out of his backpack. Ski What's in the Tube a blueprints Charlene goes up the other flight tens if they had asked him what was in the backpack and they had and they were told it was a fishing rod. So. This is before lying. Just. Go ahead and ask me what's in the to excuse me, Sir what's in the tube in your backpack? It's a fish in a poll I'm going to fish well. That's pretty much it. So. So the planes pretty empty there's thirty nine passengers everyone's spreads out. They just tell everything and sit where they want relaxing some. A lot of people are trying to sleep. They'd turn the lights way down I'm. Charlene and another flight attendant Tracy Coleman who's twenty one they start cleaning the galley and getting stuff ready. Now the pop group Harper's bazaar. Is. On Board Harper's bazaar is the same. It's not the same name as harpers bizarre the. What's going on right now they've spelled their last night name be is easy A. R. E.. So there is a little twist Harper's bizarre. It's just fun. It's just fanned that is formed as an Orasure, a spoof of the magazine Harper's bazaar. You. Got It. Buddy Dave that's bizarre. So. Harper's bazaar had a single reached number thirteen on the billboard chart. Magazine. They. Did a cover of Simon and Garfunkel saw. Band named themselves after a magazine is doing covers and succeeded. That's right. So. Dave I would love for you to come and see my new band cat fancy. We've got a great cover of Bohemian rhapsody. So. Harper's was ours coming back from Geoghegan in Pasadena. There on the plane, the drummer on the singer light up cigarettes they're sitting there talking smoking cigarettes as the plane takes off at one thirty am. Now taking off in a Boeing seven, hundred seven very loud. The engines have a water injection system creates a very loud rumble. It was nicknamed the water wagon by Cruz okay. So. Raphael quickly knocks back a couple of shots of Canadian club whisky. And then he gets up and takes us back to the bathroom. where he reassembles his gun hey, why did he take his fishing pole into the bathroom? I lost something in the toilet. SMART. Should we ring the Bell? No, no. Don't disturb the captain leave the bell. Fifteen minutes into the flight he comes out holding the M one rifle. And stands near Charlene Tracy. Now Charlene is very calm and she says quote, you're not supposed to have that. Sir I. Don't think you might have nodded off when we did the pre flight security speech. Masks will drop down if there's something you need. Seatbelts fastened. We can show you how to do that. It looks like you had it before and there are to be no firearms. You said that was a fishing pole you little liar. Severe Excuse me. It's a boom boom stick it goes a bang, Bang. I might have half a mind to ring this bell I really have. Party thinks if there if not, now when you`re So Raphael. Hands her a bullet to prove that the gun is loaded why it's A bollard move like if someone just like you can't have that you just take a bullet Ongo. Not, only do I have it but I got any I feel like he's got a lot of ammo he's tipping us. Way Way the best semi only a bullet stupid. No No. Do. You have a ticket D-. If you get the boat, I will not to shoot you. And then you have to put your gun in the overhead bin. Is A, Harper's bazaar. Your on man we were just talking about rising a new song called yellow submarine. Now, they start walking. Towards the cockpit from the back of the plane in Harper's bazaar watches as Charlene pass by with a guy behind her pointing a rifle ladder. and. The drummer says, the singer is this really happening. Now. There's an off duty pilot that they pass by who happens to be on the flight and he stands up to confront. Rafael. And then, Rafael shouts very loud. Charlene. and. She immediately realized that he's a soldier like it was just obvious right? How than what he did? And then Raphael looked at the off duty pilot and said, sit back in your fucking seat which he does. What a great by the way I obviously a crazy situation. But if you ever get a chance to tell a pilot to stay in his fucking seat, what a What a fun little role rivers. All right. I'll let you know when you can walk about the cabin mother fucker. So. So they keep moving the going to the first class compartment where Charlene tells the other attendants hey, this guy has a gun. Can we bring the bell and what are we feeling with the Bell we? Be. That is enough I know that Harper's bazaar. Harper's bazaar I'm talking about this actual here captains said to it. If there was emergency now this Italian mates seems to have a loaded gun. Is. There's like one every six days. Here's what I say. If two people shot we ring the bell. Yes. Okay. Great. I like that. Okay. You do drinks I'll do snacks. Okay. So they get to the cockpit door and then Charlene starts explaining how they're not supposed to knock, but they're supposed to ring the bell. Oh God. adorable terrifying. Sad upset. And Raphael's like, no, you knock on the door. He think now he thinks it's a trick code, right? and. He won't lettering the I'M NOT GONNA follow for knock a ring again. Okay. I know how to play this game. That's how I got shot in the bed all of a sudden, a bunch of police officers that come out of the cockpit I wanNA knock. He becomes more and more upset as she keeps trying to explain the bell situation. Meant. She starts to realize he's paranoid and she ends up knocking instead. Hey. So the door opens God damn it. How many times have I told you we're using the bell sir. And she's like this guy has a gun and Rafael steps into the cabinet and points the M one at each guy, all three of them one at a time God captain Cook. First Officer. Wednesday Williams and flight engineer Lloyd horror and Williams immediately I don't know if Williams was in the military but he admitted there was like this guy as well trained. Whatever he was doing how Holden he's like this guy is the real deal. And the Raphael says, take the plane in New York I'm GonNa go see Hamilton. This is a super weird requests. because. Almost all planes being hijacked are being taken to Cuba. Where was it headed before this San? Francisco. Okay so Super Short, right? Okay. Okay. And so everyone's like. Not Cuba. Cuba, it's sort of become a thing because America's fucking turmoil. There are no flights to Cuba. You can't fly to Cuba. So Communists kept stealing planes, hijacking them and taking them Cuba. Fidel Castro it because not only is it. Stealing plan to get out of America, but also, then he he makes the airlines pay to get the plane bag gets a fucking great rackets a good system. Yeah. So. It got so bad at one point that. That pilots started beginning maps of the Caribbean and guides and Spanish in case they to go to Havana. Wow And this, and they're like we just don't. We just don't want to check people. What is the plan? We just teach people the terrain and language if Cuba. So. But hijacking plan to New York is fucking weird. Each year flight attendants took emergency training, and one thing they were taught was to not fall in love with the hijacker Oh my God no. They were told that the hijacker would try to get sympathy from the crew and be sweet and tell them that they're sad story and you know of course ladies they're just like, oh. Yeah and and by the way I mean the truth. It's it's incredibly sexist and it's also like if you were to hear this guy's story, you'd be like, that's bullshit. Like you are going to like feel like. You know express sympathy towards someone who's like. You know like I. Fucking. Story I'd be like. Oh, you know what? Let's go to New York. Yeah no, it's fucking crazy. The. Had is that I mean some people might develop like I feel bad for this guy because he's. fucked up our he wants but. Women aren't fucking. It's not. The idea. You guys. We gotTA stop stewardesses falling in love with Google. This is this. This is their mitigation instead of just like. I'm not. I'm not one for airport security, but obviously like it's instead of instead of being like. All right. So we're gonNA teach everyone what they landscape of Cuba is, and then all flight attendants stick around. We're GONNA teach you how to not be so simple. Hey pilots do your thing go hi five and smoke cigarettes women stick around we're going to you and then teach you. So. So Kevin Cook goes to the loudspeaker and says LADIES AND GENTLEMEN Terrifying fucking news. We have a very nervous young man up here. We're going to take him wherever he wants to go. Wow. While the cockpit crew thought, they might get shot a lot of the passengers are having a good time. Harper's bazaar is back. They're just trying to guess where they think headed. And was like what about Hong Kong and what do I have never been a Hong Kong that'd be amazing. So there's some passengers back or just like this is going to be fucking fun what. I don't we have A, we have a different perspective on hijackings. Now, they started to get more progressively more violent. So, things went on this era ended culminating with them flying in the towers right but at this point. At this point is Scary to vacation. You're like, okay I've always wanted to go to Cuba. A lot of people on the planet are like nothing's going to happen because nothing ever happens we'll just get taken somewhere. Weird. And that's Okay. So. So think it's cool. They might be going to Hong Kong or whatever that's guessing. Yeah. But fails said. New York. But then he also slipped instead Rome. So the pilots like what's going on here either way they didn't have enough fuel for where we WANNA go. Yeah. We're supposed to go to San Francisco San Francisco to Rome. So Captain Cook Explains is to Rafael. But Raphael's not having it. He knew there was enough fuel to get to New York he's like it's a plane. It's got enough. You filled up you filled up the tank. So they go back and forth for awhile and finally Rafael relents. And he agrees to let the plane stopped to refuel in Denver. Boy the Denver Airport. Yeah. Rafael, it's the old one the new one. Okay. Lucky. So he lets he lets Kevin coat go. into the cabinet talk to the passengers and cook, told them quote if you've made any plans in San Francisco don't plan on keeping them because you're going to New York City like it's the price is right Is a gentleman. I don't know what plans you've made for San Francisco toss those out the window because you're going to the big apple, the city never slaves no. Harper's bazaar get a two day to night extravagant with a refill in Denver where L. IS GONNA take us wherever we WANNA go where a heart's desires once you're in New York accommodations, happy variety. But we will be providing you one round trip ticket for you and a friend of yours to New York. City. If you're in Harper's bazaar, you're going to write a song about it that no one's ever heard of called New York New York by little guy called Frankie Sinatra but it'll be passed off as your own. That's right total prize package one, thousand, two, hundred, seventy dollars. I was. Ford and then you sit harper's bazaar's coming which not. Harper's bazaar is not allowed to go to wire lasca. So when they get when the poll no one knows they've been hijacked until they get in Colorado airspace when he can call a air traffic control and let them nobody on the ground, right? Right? Yeah. There there's no transponders to that point or anything no one knows. So anyway, the plane lands in. DENVER. Rafael as the plan is landing, tells the airport to turn off. All the lights. So so it's already it must be already be safe like they're on the guy, and he says now turn off all the lights. Dark airport. And then they they start refueling the plane and as the refueling the plane. The crew starts talking to Rafael and they're saying the best thing for you to do right now is to let the passengers go because the passengers are extra weight. If you get them off the plan the fuel, it'll it'll definitely get to. New York. Sell it up the plea lighter. Blah Blah it sounds like the flight attendants have already fallen in love with him, which is just so He greets he's long as long as trouble the passengers except for Harper's bazaar, they must stay please. And then cab because what about their luggage is again, they take a look that's that's a fine. With that, they take the jets. Back. WanNa Bank even three flight attendants he says can go and they would keep one. All of us want to stay please. Well they. Actually, an argument breaks out over which flight attendant should stay Rafia. Want Charlene Captain Cook Wants Roberta Johnson because he knows that the best. And then as Charlene's writing up a passenger manifest tracy comes up to her and says, quote I'M GONNA go it turns out Tracy as a boyfriend of New York and this way she could visit him. God Damn I cannot I mean you know look I have had a lot of trouble wrapping my head around moments in time on this show but the the. A. Casual. Appreciation of a hijacking. Talk about bizarre, I feel like I'm in Harper's. It's pretty it's pretty amazing. It's all just too because I'm going to go to New York and I can see Brad. So Charlene's like it's not gonNA end in New York quote. He can't stay there. He'll be arrested if he gets out of New York, he's going somewhere else. I don't know where but he's going somewhere else. So the passengers all get off and then the off-duty nice to meet you Raffaelle. L.. Keep cool man. Off duty pilot comes back and he's like, Hey, I left a Halloween Costume I. bought it in Hong Kong. It's on the plane and he asked Rafael go back in the plan and get his Halloween costume and Raphael's like, yeah. Sure. I mean who doesn't appreciate the idea of addressing before says special not as fun. Here's what are you going as a pilot? It's A. It's a dragon pilot. So, all the passengers to the terminal where they're FBI agents all over the place day. Room and they start grilling each passenger. HARPER'S BAZAAR Does not merely talk to the FBI, they immediately call their manager. and. We've got an idea for a concept album. Surgeon peppers also we were hijacked. The manager said, it said at some time if anything crazy. Abbas anything I just call me anytime. So it's like three in the morning when he gets a call. By the time, the FBI interviews over there is a room full of reporters waiting for Harper's bazaar. What is going is the manager set it all up. Okay. So the singer would later say it was quote the best publicity we ever had by a mile and they were soon guests on NBC's music show this spring thing. God. We all remember the spring thing. What a great. Great Show. That's where Hendrix started. So the plane takes off from Denver full tank of gas smaller crew just three guys from the cockpit and Tracy. Tracy is the one who ended up staying the boyfriend in New York one. Yeah, I couldn't figure out how she must have been because she was the only one in volunteered but that anyway she ends up. So the three hour flight from Denver to JFK is pretty peaceful. Captain Cook said quote we had a nice conversation. He was pretty calm. They up front agreed not to talk about politics or religion so they would all get along better. What's kind what is happening what? I've read breaking is taking place in a hijacked cockpit. What. Yeah I would hate to dislike you guys and we would hate to leave with a bitter taste in our mouth Rafael. So why don't we just talk about our families and movies we like? Raphael told them. He wanted to go to New York, but it wasn't his final destination, the crew. Again thought he Cuba, they're just like we're going to Cuba can be Cuba. He told them. He'd been in Vietnam for thirteen months. The Marine stole money from how he tried to rob the Px and then got caught and that he didn't want to go to jail. So that's why he was here does this end with him being woken up in the plane in New York and he's fallen asleep on the floor again, just robbery. So. He relaxes them first class. He's got the gun beside him. He made himself a cocktail using a miniature bottles of Canadian club whisky and GIN. Drink. Yeah. Sometimes people like sometimes when people would make a mixed drink they're having something in there to cut the POS. Yeah. He he's like I want to have a drink that the ruins a whiskey and gin. That's it. What do you call it and the test is like Ashida So the crew told him I don't know what I was trying to figure this. The plane isn't equipped to fly over water. That's what they tell. And also that the crew themselves are not qualified to fly over water sure I assume that has to do with Gaelic JFK JFK junior died like when you're flying over water, you can set regulations fear. Get thrown off by the horizon and where the water is better. So anyway. After a while he agreed to let them call their company dispatcher to see what to do. So called and the dispatcher recommended if they were going to fly out over the sea to get to international pilots. JFK. I Love It's being handled like a regular request. Yeah TWA seven four one. What do you have? A hijacker on the fly with us today, and he is probably looking to take us over international waters. I do not have that class license what is the recommendation and hijacker have a gun? He absolutely does. Okay. Well, what I would say is a take him wherever he wants to go and then the second that you are their requests, international pilots most swap out and they can be hijacked. So just make sure I reach out to a couple pilots who are okay with being hijacked. Or have to go to the black book. Hello Do you have any pilots that'll be hijacked. Year. Do you think this is eighty fine what do you need so So they rabbit JFK super early in the morning. Raphael again has them park the plane far away from the terminals as possible. and. Then he tells he puts out the order for them to tell everybody in the fucking area. Everyone stays as far away from the plane as they can. Okay. Does few he wants us. Few People's possible to approach the plane to review it, but he's like make sense. But the FBI Wanted the hijacking stopped in New York. Because no one had ever taken a domestic flight. Knowing that never hijack a domestic flight and taken it to another continent. It's never happened. Even the FBI's line is like I mean that is crazy. But any hijack planes you'd be like Oh my God. Oh, wait there were going international. Okay. Never mind. I thought there was a hopefully those people have their passports. That's my concern. What's IT GONNA be like when they land in Sri Lanka? So this is a big deal. The FBI one hundred agents are dressed up as mechanics and other airport employees. Each each one with the objective of trying to sneak onto the plane. So it's going to look like a NASCAR flight. You just going to run out of I, mean, could they not just like? Wouldn't it be make more sense of how many people normally do this three we're going to do five instead like all right we got one hundred now got there and try to run into the plane. So all these guys are starting to come closer to the plane. That's panicking. Raphael Shirt and as they're setting up the refueling F two or three FBI agents who are in FBI a uniform up to the plane. And Captain Cook opens the Little Window in the cockpit and and they talk an agent tries to get Rafael to come closer to the window but Raphael's like, yeah, I'm not actually into getting shot not gonNA come over to the window. I officer Williams quote Rafael is running. So now he's upset now because he sees all the guys all around the planet sees what's going on Raphael is running up and down the aisles to make sure they weren't trying to sneak in the airplane he felt he would be shot if they came to the window. And then Rafael starts saying I'M GONNA shoot I'm going to shoot the crew And then Captain Cook tells the FBI to get away from the fucking plane. But the agent said quote will move the plane when we are when we get good and ready. So. This is. Like I at some point Americans. May because the trump thing but it seems like it happened earlier decided the FBI was good at their job. When most of the time the FBI is really bad at the job I mean there's a reason in die hard they make the joke about the FBI? When when he's like, what do we do now? Oh, I give you the FBI and they shut off the power and they get into the safe because if bee I forever have been known as Bumbling Idiots, right this is a good example, right? So The FBI say. When we get good and ready, and then let's proceed right now with operations smother. And then a shock goes off Oh shit. Now. RAFEAL says and. This at this point in time it's pretty much I think agreed upon that he did not mean issue. He was just getting freaked out and the accidentally squeeze the trigger a little bit and the bullet went up into the ceiling and just barely grazed oxygen tank. If it had gone into the tank, the tank would have exploded if it had gone into the fuselage, the plane could not have taken off. So It would have all been over. So it's not something that he probably on Okay Gotcha, but at the time. Everyone thinks it's for real. It's not an accident, right? So, Captain Cook quote I loved his name's Captain Cook. Yeah, it's great I mean it's been great is in Hawaii. In Hawaii. So captain. Cook, quote. The FBI plan was damn near a prescription for getting the entire crew killed. So Cook now yells at the FBI is chastising them and said, the plane is taking off now. Without fuelling and he doesn't give a shit what they think you guys are so bad at your jobs that I'm going to do what the hijacker thinks is best. You guys way duck diehard comes out. So. At that point, the two pilots who are there to take over the international leg Pushed their way past the FBI agents and get on the play. What is going even the even. Even there like fuck these guys these guys are going to get someone killed. We're going to go in there and and do what the? Pilots are. Amazing. Yeah. No. The pilots in this whole story are amazing. So pilots. That's why we don't pay them shit. Anymore. Yeah. That's right. The new pilots were billy, Williams, and Richard Hastings? So the crew had. During the flight from Denver to JFK everything came very relaxed and no one was freaked out and. And now that Scott the. What are the odds that they're going to open an overhead bin and find the basis for Harper's bazaar and they're like? The journeyman? So. So now the reminded that he could kill him at anytime Captain Cook While we sat with that boy for six hours and had seen him go from practically a raving maniac too complacent and intelligent young man. With a sense of humor and then these idiots irresponsibly made up their own minds about how to handle this boy on the basis of no information and the good faith we built up for almost six hours was completely destroyed. F.. Let German the FBI. Thank you ever. So the new the new pilots take charge their charges plane. Now, Rafael ordered everyone else into the cock to stay in the cockpit at put their hands on their heads. So the other pilots well. Yeah all four of the crew or now are now the guys are flying but the rest of the original pilots who are not the international let's they're just like all right now we're just hostages. Yeah now he the FBI is just completely fucked. So. Plane takes off from JFK again, they don't have enough fuel to get very far certainly not to Rome there now seven and a half hours into the hijacking. So as he's sitting there with his hands above his head Captain Cook Starts Talking Rafael and talking to them and trying to convince them that they had nothing to do with the airport that was all the FBI. After about twenty minutes, he comes raw failed down. And things get a little more relaxed again. The plane now lands in Bangor Maine to fuel. It's now early afternoon the story of the hijacking and what had happened at JFK is all over the news tons of reporters and photographers aren't giant mob in the terminal at Banger Airport Harper's bazaar we gotta get to main. We got a Gig we gotta get back on that plane. So there's seventy five cops keeping an eye on the press that somebody presser there because they don't want anyone trying to get over to the plane, right? Also there's hundreds of just gawkers people have main have driven to the airport because they want to see some hijacking action. Sure. But then the cops keep them a half mile away from the airports. Shirt. Raphael sees two guys. Looking. At the plane from a nearby building. and. Then Captain Cook Radios the tower and says, Raphael says he's going to start shooting at those guys unless they leave and then the guy's right away. So it's just a big spectacle. Yeah. Raise the they get filled up the plane takes off for me. The BBC quote, a census solidarity had begun to develop among those who been together for more than nine hours. Sorry surface do do you WanNa just clarify the what you're talking about the women. Do you say that David sounds like you're talking about the men to and I just WanNa make sure people aren't like what's going on. But under the surface even as they tried to keep the hijacker happy. The crew continue to fear for their lives so now. I mean this this isn't gonNA come up again, but there's two camps like the new pilots. Don't. Give a fuck about Raphael. But the everyone else is like talk to him for hours and so they're trying to. Bring him down a little bit and. See what's up? So, now he's not flying cabin cooks not flying the plane. So he rafael sit next to each other and first class and they start telling each other stories i. tell you what when you tell me about this whiskey gin I thought it was going to taste like shit this is pretty good. And now on to tell you about alarm, jump off a building is a great story assure. So the gun is just sitting between them. Cook said cooked tells me he's been narco traffic controller in the Air Force and Rafael ask, Cook if he he was married now cooks not married but he tells Raphael is and he has a kid he thought that would make Rafael less shoot him. And then he tells Raphael everyone on the crew was married even though only one person was married to each other. It's a weird call. Now at one point during this flight. RAFEAL. S Why cook didn't go for these? Aren't you going for the gun I think and this is completely because none of the crew brought this up. But at one point Rafael said he went to the bathroom and left the gun and no one grabbed it. So that may be why he asked maybe why he asked him. And they could just said, look I'm not a murderer. I'm just not going to shoot you like it's just not something I'm going to do. Yeah. So, Tracy also spent time talking to Raphael. He taught her a bunch of card games. He taught her to play solitaire unbelie. What twenty one year old does not play solitaire. Happy. One. So. She would later tell reporters Raphael was a very easy fellow to talk to. Did you fall in love with terror. No over he told her all about moving to the US with family. It's a six hour flight now. So they're nine hours into the hijacking at this point Tracy Tracy takes a nap. Some crew were able to sleep others like Wenzel. Am said, he was way too keyed up asleep are they are they going to Rome? Well, they're headed to Ireland now they're headed to. Ireland. Okay. Interesting. There's not there's not really anything. Eat they had leftover cupcakes on the plane well, listen if there's only one thing to eat may as well act like it's your. Twelfth. Birthday. I mean, that's that's great news to some people. Unfortunately the only thing we have left is whiskey GIN cupcakes. Oh, boy he as. At some point across time timezones. November I. Get it. I mean, it wasn't even a second. Was He waiting? Have the timing down like he was waiting for I just recently adjusted the timing a little bit. So he's a little off, but the run the run to the machine is Olympic. I'm sure it is. So. It's November I that cross the time line K. It's Raphael's birthday Oh. My Gosh. He's twenty years old and there's cupcakes. Americal. Meant to be. Unfortunately, there is no celebration. The plane lands in Shannon Ireland, and it takes a half hour to get gas and then they take off again. So at this point, they're eighteen and twenty two minutes into the hijacking. Now now charlene dough Monica who had gotten off in Denver is now at home. It's late in the evening and the FBI comes to her house. Knocks on our door and shows her a photo. And it's Raphael and she goes that's the guy. Now the FBI knows who he is. And they're they're stopping an Ireland just for more gas. Just for more gas. So the plane gets to Roman circles around Rome as a as he explains what he wants. US. It's One demand. He wanted the plane park as far away from the terminal again, and then he wanted one unarmed police official to come out and meet him. Okay. The No. No groups of people just one guy no gun. The hijacking is now twenty six hours long and had gone six, thousand, seven, hundred miles. That is New York Times wrote that it was quote the world's longest and most spectacular hijack of course. Thank you, New York Times. So Rafael starts talking to the crew as they start to land the cops agree descend one guy with a car. So we start talking to the crew is they're landing and he says that he offers to drive them to their hotel wants there on the ground and they're like, no, we're good. We'll get our own. It's just that We love you but this is. It'll be nice to be away. Also. I. Feel like if my name with the new hole in your head at all stay. You can drive me to my hotel. At. My brain is literally. Stopped Tracer your training the price stop it. My brain is little an easy to be manipulated. No matter how many speeches I get I can't help but care about your story Rafael you can drive anywhere you want. Actually. Tracy Raphael I'm also in love with you. Now, what the Hell is, what happens on these goddamn hijacking flats this man I want to rub my chest tear up against yours. Hey It's a me one of. I WanNa fuck you like a Texan. Cop, WHO's armed and I haven't been here long. But I can tell you what? Goddamn. Loved you. Okay. Everything you do is a perfect. If only was a song you head well actually. No no nothing. It's not very it's like a pleaded or anything but. I mean I've been taking run around with the lyrics retrospect nasty because God I should have gone through Harper's bazaar's writing process with them. So. Raphael said he was worried the crew would get in trouble because they didn't try to take his gun when they could have. I says the Captain Cook I've given. You guys an awful lot of trouble in the captain says, look, we didn't take it personally handed. Hey Buddy. It's all business. We Hillary we understand your hijacker you're doing your business. You welcome to hijack any flight that on the captain on from no one. It's an honor. So the plane lands and they wait and then an Alfa Romeo drives out toward the plane, of course. Of course, Italy. We are in a stereotypical Italian here. That's the that's the siren he's. down. The sovereign goes it's spicy meet. Meet about some meat about they shut it off. A. So this was deputy customs official Piatra a jewelry I had they're two different descriptions of him. One was that he was the police chief of the airport and the other was he was deputy customs official. I'm betting deputy customs official but so he had volunteered to do this. He he parks he climbs up the steps to the plane. He's got his hands above his head. Raphael turns to captain. Cook and says quote. So long Don I am sorry. I caused you all this trouble. And then he asked the captain for as address because he wanted to write him a letter explained to him why this all gone down. A navy just to keep in touch and just to keep in touch me, and maybe I come to your house in a whole that you hostages some night for all times sicker. You gotta you got the pool, the with you got. We got a pool land upon the but to be good for you. So. You could quote from a movie color a shaker. Which? been made. Raphael. Pietro walked down the steps. As Raphael holds the rifle and then they get in the car raphael gets in the backseat points the rival at Pietro and tells him to drive to Naples Raphael is going home. Okay. So as the Alpha male drives four cop cars start tailing it. And when one gets close Raphael points the gun and makes them back off. And then he started giving directions. Intel, they lost all the cop cars. So how is he doing that? He's like all right turn left a super supercars now right making your turn go around about one more time by the fountain gone. Ask Go left again. Now go through this little alley they can make it. Okay. Now go home. Driver past the pope and Honky turn around the cops and look at the. Samir the pope. I think it's just stuff like. Go Up to a stop line when it's a red light and then go when it's red. That kind of stuff whatever they lose them. Okay. So. He then drives. The drive out of the country outside of Rome six miles outside. Is. Becoming more and more narrow its two versions of this again. There's one where it says the road comes to a dead end and Raphael gets out of the they both got a car. Then Raphael runs off and there's another one we're Rafael knew where he was going and he just said stop here. And then, but either way he ran off into a vineyard. Okay. Yeah. Well that. Stereotype. Your classic Italian Escape Yeah just yeah and then he threw a bunch of Pasta says he ran off. If an Italian runs into vineyard, it's literally like they're disappearing cannot see him he came out drunk and he'd made his own wine. Hey I don't know how to happen but I accident I met a Merlot. which would be a strategy for this region. That's very strange. Very bizarre. Almost powder belong in a magazine who knows what are the name of? Merlo sounds a better. So Captain Cook Captain Williams, and Tracy Coleman were then interviewed by reporters in Rome. Cook said Rafael told them. He was going to go into the woods and when stay there until someone came to catch him. So they they keep asking questions which are which are legitimate normal questions about what happened and what went down about the hijacking all important questions, and then they turned to tracy. And the first question to Tracy is quote. Did you serve the hijacker with drinks during the flight Oh my God. A. Woman to hear what you give him a lack of a coffee. We need we did away for a translator none of us a speaker. Woman. Did. You get the bigger doe yards and a fall in love I'll come in I speak a little bit of women. American. Hey, you got to lead a brain. You understand how easy it is to manipulate. Yola. So, please start searching the area where he ran away they search for five hours hundreds of cops. There's police dogs there's helicopters. They find his gun and ammo in a deserted farmhouse, but they still can't find him. Also, it's All Saints Day. So a local church, the sanctuary of divine love is packed for mass. They're all very well dressed. Except, there's a dude in a vast and camouflage military clothes hanging out in front. SORTA sticks out a little bit. Sure the. preseason, he calls the police. and. He's and he tells them. That he saw this guy. So nearby cop sees Rafael running on a hillside. Another cop takes down with a flying tackle. Now Raphael can't believe it when he's being arrested he said quote pies per cam- me arrest. Which means my people? Why are you arresting me? which kind of gap? A home, I'd. Be a free and now I'm Ana Guler. So he's taken to the police station and interrogated. The Associated Press describes the interrogation quote. The questioning of a mini, a cello was like almost friendly and at times, laughter could be heard in the room where detectives carried out the interrogation now has. The police called him by his first name. And after questioning for two hours, the police let him talk to reporters. We're GONNA hijack a one more plane. This guy is a better chiming I gotta be a room for a little while. We had a couple of wins, which is a whiskey in Gina. No He's a good guy great. No one has a terrible. So, Raphael acted like he didn't know what reporters are talking about when they question. He's like what hijacking when they asked why can Italy he's like this Italy like he's just totally just like he's like, I, never thought about this part. So. Chief. Detective Paul Marital reporters that he thought Rafael hijack the plane as quote a rebellion against the Marines and against American society he wanted to get away from America because he was about to be tried he did not have faith in US justice justice is hard in America here it goes much easier and he has faith in us. He is just a boy a child. I look this little guy he he's just a little fella. What do you want to put them in a? Jam. Okay. Okay Questions. But first before we started this, guy's not going to be able to answer a lot of your questions because this is a legal baby. Okay. This man is illegally under two years old. Okay. He our make I hear a bigger make make it di Di. Okay. So he gotta go get changed. So if you're going to have a question, please ask you with a radical shake read Alarium when you ask a question okay, and if you`re Not Looking at you shake your keys and said Goo Goo Gaga Baby. I WanNa ask you something because again, this guy's a veteran doral is a very baby is a very cute a baby and he's a Maya Baby. Okay. I'm adopted and this baby. Okay. So now in the Tamworth, you have allowed me to speak this baby is my baby. Okay. This is my son is known as Rafael. He would never do anything like that. He's too little. He's going to be going to preschool in about a two weeks. Okay. started pre little baby. He could crawl little bit his head not star Nick is not a strong enough to support a his head yet. So, when he not looking at you and you look a little gu-guy is because his neck is not have the muscle to keep it ahead. Okay. Thank you. KN- excuse me I'm going to let him nurse on me while you talked to him. Okay. So if you question is because he's a nursing on me. Okay. Get Lip on there. There you go. All right. Yeah. He wanted to go to. Naples. But he's going to nipples okay. All right. There it is. Yeah that's a nice. So. Meanwhile, the US as is charging him with air piracy kidnapping and they want him extradited immediately. Of. Course now. His father, the Ouija. While return from the US and was now living in. Naples. And he had terminal cancer okay. So he comes to Rome to see Raphael, the says when Luigi gets to Rome he is greeted by people in the city like he has a celebrity. Okay. And the. Says about AL quote the war must have provoked a state of shock in his mind before that he was always say and then Luigi said he would clip Raphael around the air the next time he saw him and that's when he got sentenced to six clippings What are you? What are you crazy? What is wrong with you? What do you do that? How do you do that? All Right? Yes. Okay. Can Me? He's got enough. He got his punishment. So the phrase. Pies Per Cami Arrest. Is going viral, which is, why are you arresting me? I'm this is my home. What does it again? It is. My people. Why are you arresting, right? Okay. So. It's just it's defrays right. It's all. It's all over Italy Raphael gave an interview and this tiny explained his reasons. Turns out that missing two hundred dollars was the difference between flying to see his dying father and not being able to afford to fly to see his dying father. Shit. And now he's very quickly. Become. A folk hero overnight in Italy he super good looking. He's an Italian kid who just wanted to return to the homeland. And then women are super into his movie. Star looks all righty. One. Seventeen girl told the reporter he was as good looking as the biggest Italian film star except Rafael actually did the action himself well, how? Also, let's easy. Does it seventeen? Let's So there's tons of women like this under under pressure from the public authorities announced that they're refusing to extradite him to the US, which by the way they did by releasing smoke from a chimney. But. He could get the death penalty for for air piracy and kidnapping. So. They said they were trying Minutae Court Nixon administration is really upset and they're worried that all the love he's getting. WAS GONNA lead to copycat US right I'm a law and order. President. Mechanic. And it didn't take long Ohio fourteen year old David booth ditched school. I've ever tenth and took a bus to Greater Cincinnati airport there. He pulled the knife on an eight year old girl and said quote you're going with me to sweet. He took her through the terminal with a knife under throat and they boarded a delta. DC, nine which is ab. Not. Capable of flying. To Sweden but what kind of AARP now boarding passengers who are holding women hostages with nine? How does that happen? They're like we don't want to bother him. He ordered the pilots take off for Sweden and they're like, yeah, this plane won't go to. Sweden. So they don't do it and then eventually gets talked into surrendering as the plane sat on the final go back to school. The UN released a statement saying it was deeply concerned about international flights and voted to call for every country to pass air piracy laws. Now, Italy did not have an air piracy laws so he wasn't going to be clear so that. In eighteen days after the resolution was passed, another six planes were hijacked. So it's literally a thing. Yeah it's what the What the FBI was worried about was actually a thing, right? At the trial lawyer. The FBI probably helped make it a thing a little bit right because I always think that when they blow. The cry like when they. They can sometimes advertise the crime. Yeah Oh. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. What what they did made it a bigger story, right? Absolutely. So. At the trial lawyer said portrayed Raphael's victim a poor time victim of terrible foreign war quote a civilization which overwhelmed this uncultured peasant. Public buys it they're all in. Because the stories of what America's doing in Vietnam are fucking horrifying. So, he he uses that. He gets acquitted of all crimes except weapons possession, and for that he has given seven and a half years. Wow. He. Appeals. And the sentence reduced. And on May First Nineteen seventy-one. Rafael walked out of prison a free man after one and a half years. So He's just twenty one years old man prison he's he's in, he's in a brown suit, his hair's longer. There's a crowd of photographers and cameramen and reporters and people, and one of the reporters as Rafael if he's sorry, forty did at Rafael smiles and says quote why should I be? Talking about another catchphrase. Offers role it. Offers. I get an offer to be a nude model. Doesn't. Doesn't take off. He gets a contract to be in a Spaghetti Western of course I I'm afraid I unfortunately, I probably eat it. That doesn't pay off the guy who made doctor Zhivago offers to make a movie about his life called pays per cameo wristy but that doesn't happen either. So when the movie it's nothing comes of any of this and you just living his life when the movie Rambo comes out. Rumors are all over Italy that Rambo is based on Rafael. The original name was a Rafael. But the guy wrote Rambo's like no, it's not. Rafael ended up working as a bartender and he married the bar owners daughter who had known since they were kids you kind of grew up with her. Sins. So he had one son and then Rafael opened up his own pizza place. which he named hijacking. Oh my God. What. I mean they really they really have Italian to the attitude of the hijacking. Name a Piquet me St like. Yeah right right. After. Eighteen eighteen years after the earthquake destroyed his village, another would hit the exact same area and it was a six point nine really bad tons of buildings destroyed Raphael was one of a lot of the Times who went up there to distribute aid on their own and then people recognized him. He ended up being interviewed by people magazine quote I mistrust institutions so I give help. Personally I know all about people who don't keep their promises. He also said he had changed. I'm very different now to WHO I was. I'm sorry for what I did to those people on the plane. In February nineteen, eighty, five since I got pregnant again. But. She went into Labor and Her and the child died. It turned out do it happened due to medical malpractice? The doctors fucked up. So Raphael. Furious. And he came up with plant. No. He decided to attack a medical medical conference that was being held just outside Rome. and. He was GonNa do that to draw attention to the negligence that killed his wife and son quote I decided to carry on my own battle to change the course of medicine. I called this the project I was convinced that the only way to change things was to use force well to be fair. So he bought guns. Any carefully planned an attack. So he's just going to go in and fucking massacre this conference don't kill the Lily Dude you got away. So at the same time. As he was planning on this stuff he made a new friend, a young guy named Tony. Tony was a Christian and he kept giving Rafael Bibles and having them read passages out. Loud. And then one day Raphael read a passage from the gospel of Luke Father Forgive them for the do not know what they do and he said once he read that it changed while. And he decided to follow God and to not attack the medical conference. Okay. I mean this is like I mean. You know what I'm not GonNa kill about twenty five people just going to sit here and read them of by. Wow. This is a good a book. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, nine, Raphael found out there were no outstanding criminal charges against him in the US. So. He. decided to return to the. Amazing. ACA. Hijacking. His ex-soldier buddies had been fighting for years to get his other than this other thin honorable discharge change to honor our general discharge. They argue you deserve it done Vietnam. So. He asked them to do something else. Before he came, he want his old buddies to find the people he had held US hostages we get apologized to adhere. So boy. Invitation you're like I'm good. Showing it was still a flight attendant she she was a flight attendant thirty five years before she retired. So she she kept going as flathead and one of his platoon members reached out and she was like, yeah I she was like, no she's like why not I mean what's the harm? Yeah. So in August two, thousand, nine, she job to Branson Missouri where the platoon was having a reunion I like she has to drive. I know. So, also Wednesday Williams went to she probably wanted to everybody yeah, I wouldn't. So those going to who went to meet him. And around this time in two thousand on, he was also diagnosed with. In nineteen ninety. Nine. Two thousand two, thousand, eight hundred that took so long. Obviously. Kevin Cook. Refused and that really hurt, Rafael. He really thought they had bonded. Man. You think you know a hostage. So the two hostages listened to Rafael Charlene. I it was tents and knock gray and they talked and it was better and Charlene said after listening to him she actually felt sorry for him. And then at the end of their meeting, he gave them both a copy of the First Amendment in it inside he had written a note quote father forgive them for they do not know what they do. And they were like, sorry, this is about you. When, asked in two thousand, thirteen of Rambo's based on him Rafael said quote. Yes it's true. Yes. Of course it's obvious. One difference one difference between me and John Rambo who I like to call Rafael Bill. Some feats that both and I in other Marines did during the Vietnam War we're taking his inspiration. Rafael still alive. He has a youtube channel which is dedicated to accordion what what Dave what what What a story Holy Shit that is an amazing story. Yeah that is amazing story and the truth is that if only, we could way motivations into crimes and let that somehow factor into our judicial process because it always should always and you cannot. Truly. Just I mean, this is what chickens come home to roost. This is what happens and so you cannot. Fuck people. Were like I. Mean this is just the Solo fucking right now the countries and the Gang Bang that won't end you know but. You just. It's just like it's not that you're just not. You're saying what he did was justifiable but. People have breaking points and this is that I mean. This is what happens when you push them it's like. It's not some lunatic in a hotel room is like the lamps talking to me? This is a guy who is just like my fucking dad is dying. You, look out of the two hundred dollars would have gotten me to see my dying father. So if the system Fox me, I'll fuck the system. And he had just fought in a war for that country. So you know it's So sources the BBC cheated. Eighty five the world's longest most spectacular hijacking by Rowland Hughes. Rafael mini a cello interview with the author of the longest Internet Inter Continental Air Tracking History by Enrico Vision Cullen jacking that sounds like when you masturbate in the bathroom when you're on a plane. That's right. This heartthrob marine became an Italian folk hero because of an airplane hijacking. And And then some newspapers. Dispose last name. M. I. N. I C.. H. E. L. L. O.. and. Then a book disguise belong to US love and terror the golden age of hijacking by Brendan Corn. Oh Dude he looks like he could be on TV in that era. Oh Yeah. I mean there's some pictures you're like Jesus? Yeah of course. Well, let's see what it looks like. Now love this. This is my favorite. I can't Oh I to tell the twenty s he's gotTa Mariner Shirt on. No isn't the other one on the other end of the the one on the other. No, I think he's the guy with the mariners shirt. On the right? Yeah. Get a nice head of hair. Wow Man. That is quite a story. That really is quite a story. It's also so strange. To. Just think of the era like when you think about what it takes to get on a plane now. It's just crazy. I mean I remember kid like How it you could go or not even as a kid I mean for a while like you could anybody could walk you to the gate and say goodbye and you know it was just a much more fluid simple process. I also remember when they came up with the scantron where you have to go on that machine and they were failing them and Janet Napolitano who was the homeland security or something like that. She would not step inside of one of those. When they were like Janet, show people, I'm get. Really something like that. Yeah. But again day most of the facts come from my gut. Yeah that is quite a story did. You, go. Get it we signed planes. We did it we do. Okay Yeah. That's right.

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The Voyage of the Beagle (Ch. X), by Charles Darwin

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The Voyage of the Beagle (Ch. X), by Charles Darwin

"Chapter ten part one of the voyage of the beagle. This is a liberal. Vox recording all vox. Recordings are in the public domain for more information or to volunteer. Please visit liberal. Vox dot org the voyage of the beagle. Darwin chapter ten thira del fuego part one tiara del. Fuego first arrival good success bay on account of the free on board interview with the savages scenery of the forests cape horn wigwam cove miserable conditions of the savages famines cannibals mattress side religious feelings. Great gale because channel puns and b. Sound build wigwams and settled if wiggins bifurcation of the beagle channel. Glaciers returned to the ship. Second visit in the ship to the settlement equality of condition amongst the natives december seventeenth eighteen thirty two having now finished with patagonia and the falkland islands. I will describe a first arrival in tariff waco a little afternoon we doubled cape san diego and entered the famous straight of lemaire. We kept close to the foggy shore but the outline of the rugged inhospitable staten island was visible amidst the clouds. In the afternoon we anchored in the bay. Of good success while entering. We were saluted in a manner becoming the inhabitants of the savage land. A group of wiggins partly concealed by the entangled forest were perched on a wild point overhanging the sea and as we passed by they sprang up and waving their tattered cloaks sent forth allowed in sonorous shout. The savage followed the ship and just before dark. We saw their fire and again heard their wild cry. The harbor consists of a fine piece of water surrounded by low rounded mountains of clay slate which are covered to the water's edge by one dense gloomy forest. A single glance at the landscape was sufficient to show me how widely different it was from anything i had ever beheld at night. It blew a gale of wind and heavy squalls from the mountains swept past us it would have been a bad time out at sea and we as well as others may call this good success bay in the morning. The captain sent a party to communicate with wagons when we came with inhale one of four natives were present advanced to receive and began to shout most vehemently wishing to direct us where to land when we were unsure. The party looked rather alarmed but continued talking and making gestures with great rapidity. It was without exception the most curious and interesting spectacle i ever beheld. I could not have believed how wide was the difference between savage and civilized man it is greater than between domesticated animal inasmuch. As in man there is a greater power of improvement. The chief spokesman was old and appeared to be the head of the family. The three others were powerful. Young men about six feet high. The women and children had been sent away. These allegations are a very different race from the stunted miserable wretches westward and they seem closely allied to the famous patagonian of the strait of magellan. They're only garment consists of a mantle made of guanaco skin with the wool. Outside this they wear just thrown over their shoulders leaving their persons as often exposed as covered their skin is of a dirty coppery red colour. The old man had affiliate of white feathers tied around his head which partly can find his black course and entangled hair. His face was crossed by two broad. Transverse bars one painted bright red reached from ear to ear and included the upper lip the other white like chalk extended above and parallel to the first so that even his eyelids were thus colored the other two men were ornamented by streaks of black powder made of the party altogether closely resembled the devils which come on the stage in plays like defra shirts. They're very attitudes. Were abject and the expression of their countenances distrustful surprised in startled after we had presented them with some scarlet cloth which they immediately tied round their necks. They became good friends. This was shown by the old man patting our breasts and making kind of chuckling noise as people do when feeding chickens. I walked with the old man and this demonstration of friendships was repeated. Several times it was concluded by three hard slaps which were given me on the breast and back at the same time. He then bared his bosom for me to return the compliment wits being done. He seemed highly pleased. The language of these people according to our notions scarcely deserves to be called articulate. Captain cook has converted to a man clearing his throat but certainly no european ever cleared his throat with so many hoarse. Guttural clicking sounds they are excellent mimics as often as we coughed or yawned are made any odd motion. They immediately imitated s. Some of our party began to squint and look awry. But one of the young wiggins whose whole face was painted black accepting a white band across his eyes succeeded in making far more hideous grimaces they could repeat with perfect correctness. Each word in any sentence we address them and they remembered such words for some time yet we europeans. I'll know how difficult it is to distinguish apart. The sounds in a foreign language which of us for instance could follow an american indian through a sentence of more than three words. I'll savages appear to possess to an uncommon degree. This power of mimicry. I was told almost in the same words of the same ludicrous habit among the cafes. The australians likewise have long been for being able to imitate and describe the gate of any man so that he may be recognized. How can this faculty be explained. Is it a consequence of the more practiced habits perception and keener senses. Come into all men in a savage state as compared with those long civilized one. A song was struck by our party. If wiggins would have fallen down with astonishment with equal surprised they viewed are dancing. But one of the young men when asked had no objection to a little waltzing little accustomed to europeans as they appear to be yet they knew and derided are firearms. Nothing would tempt them to take a gun in their hands. They begged for knives calling them. By the spanish word cuccia. The explained also what they wanted by acting as if they had a piece of blubber in their mouths and then pretending to cut. Instead of terret i have not as yet noticed the freudians who we had on board during the former voyage of the adventure and beagle in eighteen. Twenty six to eighteen thirty captain fitzroy seized on party of natives as hostages for the loss of a boat which had been stolen the great jeopardy of party employed on the survey and some of these natives as well as a child who bought for pearl button he took with him to england determining to educate them and instruct them in religion at his own expense to settle these natives in their own country. One chief inducement captain fitzroy to undertake present voyage and before the admiralty had resolved to send out this expedition. Captain fitzroy had generously chartered a vessel and would himself have taken the back. The natives were accompanied by missionary are matthews of whom and of the natives. Captain fitzroy has published a full and excellent account. Two men one of them died in england of the smallpox. A boy and a little girl were taken and we had now onboard york minster jemmy button whose name expresses his purchase money and foggy basket. York minster was a full grown short thick powerful man. His disposition was reserved taciturn morose and when excited violently passionate his affections were very strong towards a few friends on board his intellect. Good jemmy button was a universal favourite but likewise passionate. The expression of his face at one showed his nice disposition. He was mary and often laughed and was remarkably sympathetic with anyone in pain. When the water was rough. I was often little seasick. And he used to come to me and say plaintive voice poor poor fellow but the notion after his aquatic life of a man being seasick was too ludicrous and he was generally obliged to turn on one side to hide smile or laugh and then would repeat his poor poor fellow. He was a patriotic disposition. And he liked to praise his own tribe and country in which he truly said they were quote plenty of trees and he abused all of the other tribes he. Stoutly declared that there was no devil in his land. Jimmy was short thick and fat but vain of his personal appearance. He used to wear gloves. His hair was neatly cut and he was distressed. His well-polished dirtied he was fond of admiring himself in a looking glass and faced little indian boy from the rio negro whom we had for some months on board soon perceive this and use to mocking jemmy. Who was always rather jealous of the attention paid. This little boy did not at all like this and used to say with a rather contemptuous. Twist of his head too much skylark. It seems yet. Wonderful to me when i think over all his many good qualities that he should have been of the same race and doubtless partaken of the same character with the miserable degraded savages when we first met here. Lastly foggia basket was a nice modest reserved young girl with a rather pleasing but sometimes sell expression and very quick learning anything especially languages this. She showed in picking up some portuguese and spanish. When left shore for only a short time at rio de janeiro monte video and inter knowledge of english york minster was very jealous of any attention paid to her for it was clear. He determined to marry her as soon as they settled onshore. Although all three could both speak and understand a good deal of english it was singularly difficult to obtain much information from them. Concerning the habits of their countrymen this was partly owing to their apparent difficulty in understanding the simplest alternative. Everyone accustomed to very young. Children knows how seldom one can get an answer. Even so simple a question as whether thing is black or white the idea of black or white seems ultimately to fill their minds so it was with these gains and hence it was generally impossible to find out i cross questioning whether one rightly understood anything which they had asserted their site was remarkably acute. It is well known that sailors from long practice can make out a distant objects much better than a landsman but both york end. Jimmy were much superior to any sadler on board several times. They have declared what some distant object has been and though doubted by everyone they have proved right when it has been examined through a telescope. They were quite conscious of this power and jimmy when he had any little quarrel with the officer on watch would say me ship me no tell it was interesting to watch the conduct of the savages when we landed towards jemmy button. They immediately perceived the difference between him ourselves and held much conversation with another on the subject. The old man addressed along harangue. Jimmy which it seems was to invite him to stay with them but jimmy understood very little of their language and is moreover thoroughly ashamed of his countrymen when york minster afterwards came on shore the him in the same way and told him he had to shave yet he had not twenty dwarf hairs on his face whilst we all were our untrimmed beards. The examined the color of his skin and compared it with ours. One of our arms being aired they expressed the liveliest surprise and admiration at its whiteness. Just in the same way in which. I have seen the iran tundu at this logical gardens. We thought that they mistook two or three of the officers who were rather shorter and fair. Though adorned with large beards for the ladies of our party the tallest among gains was evidently much pleased at his height being noticed when placed back to back with the tallest of the boat's crew. He tried his best to edge on higher ground and to stand on tiptoe. He opened his mouth to show his teeth and turned his face for a side view. And all this was done with such alacrity that i dare say he thought himself the handsomeness men in two zero after our first feeling of grave astonishment was over. Nothing could be more ludicrous than the odd mixture of surprise and imitation which these savages every moment exhibited the next day i attempted to penetrate some way into the country. Tr del fuego may be described as a mountainous land partly submerged in the sea. So that deep inlets and bays occupy the place where valleys should exist. The mountainsides except on the exposed western coast are covered from the water's edge upward by one great forest. The trees reached an allegation between one thousand and fifteen hundred feet and are succeeded by a band of pete with minute alpine plants and this again is succeeded by the line of perpetual snow. Which according to captain. King in the strait of magellan descends to between three thousand and four thousand feet to find an acre of land level in any part of this country is most rare. I recollect only one little flat piece near port famine and another of rather larger extent near gori road in both places and everywhere else. The surface is covered by a thick bed of swampy pete even within the forest. The ground is concealed by a mass of slowly. Putrefying vegetable matter which from being soaked with water yields to the foot finding it nearly hopeless to push my way through the would i follow the course of a mountain torrent at first from the waterfalls number of dead trees i could hardly crawl along but the bed of the stream soon became a little more open from the floods. Having swept the sides. I continued slowly to advance for an hour along the broken in rocky banks and was amply repaid by the grandeur of the scene the gloomy depth of the ravine wall accorded with the universal signs of violence on every side. We're lying irregular masses of rock and torn up trees. Other trees though. Still erect were decayed to the heart and ready to fall. The tangled mass of the thriving and the fallen reminded me of the forests within the tropics. There was a difference for in these still solitude. Death instead of life seemed the predominant spirit. I followed the watercourse till i came to a spot where great slip had cleared a straight space down the mountainside road. I ascended to a considerable elevation and obtained a good view of the surrounding woods. The trees all belong to one kind the fabulous betcha these for the number of other species of goose and of the winter's bark is quite inconsiderable. This beach keeps its leaves throughout the year but its foliage is of a peculiar brownish green colour with a tinge of yellow as the whole landscape is thus colored it has a somber dull appearance nor is it often enlivened by the rays of the sun december twentieth. One side of the harbor is formed by hill about fifteen hundred feet high which captain fitzroy has called after j banks in commemoration of his disastrous excursion which proved fatal to two men of his party. And nearly so deductor cylinder the snowstorm. Which was the cause of their misfortune happened in the middle of january corresponding to our july and in latitude of durham. I was anxious to reach the summit of this mountain to collect. Alpine plants for flowers of any kind in the lower parts are few in number. We followed the same watercourse as on the previous day till it dwindled away and we were then compelled to crawl blindly among the trees. These from the effects of the and of the impetuous winds were low thick and crooked at length we reached that which from a distance appeared like a carpet of fine green turf but which to our vexation turned out to be a compact mass of little beech trees about four or five feet high. They were stick together as box in the border of a garden and we were obliged to struggle over the flat but treacherous surface after a little more trouble. We gained the pete. And then the bear slate rock orig- connected this hill with another distant some miles and more lofty so that patches of snow relying on it as the day was not far advanced. I determined to walk their and collect plants along the road. It would have been very hard work. Had it not been for a well beaten in straight path made by the guanaco for these animals like sheep always follow the same line. When we reached the hill we found it the highest in the immediate neighborhood and the water's flow to the sea. In opposite directions. We obtained a wide view over the surrounding country to the north a swampy moorland extended but to the south. We had a view of savage magnificence. Well becoming tiardo fuego. There was a degree of mysterious grandeur in mountain nine mountain with the deep intervening valleys. I'll covered by one. Thick dusky mass of forest the atmosphere likewise in this climate or gale succeeds gale with rain. Hail and sleet seems blacker than anywhere else. In the strait of magellan looking do southward from port famine the distant channels between the mountains appeared from their gloominess to lead beyond the confines of this world december twenty first the beagle got underway and on the succeeding day favored to an uncommon degree by a fine. Easterly breeze we closed in with the barneveld. S- and running past cape deceit with stony peaks about three o'clock doubled the weather beaten cape horn. The evening was calm and bright and we enjoyed a fine view of the surrounding isles cape horn however demanded his tribute and before night sent us a gale of wind directly in our teeth. We stood out to sea and on the second day again made the land when we saw on our weather. Bow this notorious promontory in its proper form veiled in a missed and it's dim outlined surrounded by a storm of wind and water great black clouds rolling across the heavens and squalls of rain with hail swept by us with stutz extreme violence that the captain determined to run into wigwam cove. This is a snug little harbor not far from cape horn and here at christmas eve. We anchored in smooth water. The only thing which reminded us of the gale outside was every now and then puff from the mountains which made the ship surge at her anchors december twenty fifth close by the cove appointed hail called caters peak rises to the height of seventeen hundred feet. The surrounding islands consist of conical masses of greystone associated. Sometimes with less regular hills of baked altered clay slate. This part of sierra may be considered as the extremity of the submerged chain of mountains already alluded to the cove takes its name of wigwam from some of the flagging but every day in the neighborhood might be so called with equal propriety. The inhabitants living chiefly upon shellfish are obliged constantly to change their place of residence but they at intervals to the same spots as is evident from the piles of old shells which must often amount to many tons of freight these heaps can be distinguished at a long distance by the bright green color of certain plants which invariably grow on them among these may be enumerated the wild celery and scurvy grass to a very serviceable plants. The use of which has not been discovered by the natives. The foggin wigwam resembles in size and dimensions. A haycock. it merely consists of a few broken branches stuck in the ground and very imperfectly thatched on one side a few tufts of grass and rushes. The whole cannot be the work of an hour and it is only used for a few days at gauri roads. I saw a place where one of these naked men had slept which absolutely offered no more cover than the form of a hair. The man was evidently living by himself and york. Minster said he was a very bad man and that probably had stolen something on the west coast. however the wigwams rather better for their covered with seal skins. We were detained here several days by the bad weather. The climate is certainly wretched. The summer solstice was now passed yet every day. Snow fell on the hills and in the valleys there was rain accompanied by sleet. The thermometer generally stood about forty five degrees but in the night fell thirty. Eight forty degrees from the damp and boisterous state of the atmosphere not cheered by gleam of sunshine. One fancied the climate even worse than it really was while going one day on shore near wallace island we pulled alongside a canoe. With six wiggins these were the most abject miserable creatures i had anywhere beheld east coast the natives as we have seen have guanaco cloaks and on the west possess seal skins amongst these central tribes. The men generally have an otter skin or some small scrap about as large as the pocket handkerchief. Which is barely sufficient to cover their backs. Low down as their loins. It is laced across the breast with strings. And according as the wind blows it is shifted from side to side but these gains in the canoe. Were quite naked and even one full grown woman was absolutely so it was raining heavily and the freshwater together with the spray trickled down her body in another harbor. Not far distant. A woman who suckling a recently born child came one day alongside the vessel and remained there out of mere curiosity whilst the sleet fell and thought under naked bosom and on the skin of her naked baby these poor wretches were stunted in their growth. Their hideous faces bobbed daubed with white paint their skins filthy and greasy their hair entangled their voices discordant and their gestures violent. Viewing such men. One can hardly make oneself believe that they are fellow creatures and inhabitants of the same world. It is a common subject of conjecture. What pleasure in life. Some of the lower animals can enjoy. How much more reasonably the same question may be asked with respect to these barbarians at night five or six human beings naked and scarcely protected from the wind and rain of this tempestuous climate sleep on the wet ground coiled up like animals whenever it is low water winter or summer night or day they must rise to pick shellfish from the rocks and the women either dived to collect or sit patiently in their canoes and with abated hairline without any hook jerk out little fish if seal is carried or the floating carcass putrid whale is discovered it is a feast and such miserable food is assisted by a few tasteless berries and fungi. They often suffer from famine. I heard mr low. A ceiling master intimately acquainted with the natives of this country. Give a curious account of the state of a party of one hundred fifty natives on the west coast who were very thin and in great distress. A succession of gales prevented the women from getting shellfish on the rocks and they could not go out in their canoes to catch seal. A small party of these men one morning set out and the other indians explained to him that they were going. Four days journey for food on their return low went to meet them and he found them excessively tired each man carrying a great square piece of putrid whale's blubber with a hole in the middle through which they put their heads like the gauchos do through their punch cloaks as soon as the blubber was brought into a wigwam. An old man cut off thin slices and muttering over them. Brian them for a minute and then distributed them to the families party who during this time preserved profound silence. Mr low believes that whenever a whale is cast on shore the natives buried large pieces of it in the sand as a resource in time of famine and a native boy whom he had on board once found a stock thus buried the different tribes when at war are cannibals from the concurrent but quite independent evidence of the boy taken by mr low and of jimmy button it is certainly true that when pressed in winter by hunger kill and devour their old women before they killed their dogs. The boy being asked by mr lo why they did. This answered. Dargis catch authors. Old women know this boy described the manner in which they are killed by being held over smoke and thus choked. He imitated their screams as a joke and described parts of their bodies which are considered best to eat hard as such a death by the hands of their friends and relatives must be the fears of the old women when hunger begins. Depress are more painful. To think of we are told that they often run away into the mountains but that they are pursued by the men and brought back to the slaughterhouse at their own firesides captain. Fitzroy could never ascertain that the gains have any distinct belief in a future life. They sometimes bury their dead in caves. And sometimes in the mountain forests we do not know what ceremonies they perform. Jimmy button would not eat landlords because eat dead men they are unwilling even dimension their dead friends. We have no reason to believe that they perform any sort of religious worship though perhaps the muttering of the old man before he distributed the putrid blubber to his families. Party maybe of this nature. Each family or tribe has a wizard or conjuring. Doctor who's office. We could never clearly ascertain. Jimmy believed in dreams though. Not as i have said in the devil. I do not think that are free gains. Were much more superstitious than some of the sailors for an old quartermaster firmly. Believed that the successive heavy gales which we encountered off cape horn were caused by having the figgins on board the nearest approach to a religious feeling which i heard of was shown by york minster. Who when mr bino shot some very young ducklings as specimens declared in the most solemn manner. Oh mr bino much rain. Snow blow much evidently a retribution punishment for human food in a wild and excited manner. He also related that his brother one day whilst returning to pick up some dead birds which he had left on. The coast observed some feathers blown by the wind. His brother said york imitating his manner. What's that and crawling onwards. He peeked over the cliff and saw wild man picking his birds. He crawled a little nearer and then hurled down in great stone and killed him. York declared for a long time afterwards. Storms raged and much rain and snow fell as far as we could make out. He seemed to consider the elements themselves as the avenging agents. It is evident in this case. How naturally in a race a little more advanced in culture the elements would become personified. The bad wild men were has always appeared to me. Most mysterious from what york said when we found the place like the form of a hair where a single man had slept the night before have thought that they were steve's who had been driven from their tribes but other obscure speeches made doubt this. i have sometimes imagined. The most probable explanation was that they were insane. The different tribes have no government. Chief yet each is surrounded by other hostile tribes speaking different dialects and separated from each other only by deserted border or neutral territory. The cause of their warfare appears to be the means of subsistence. Their country is a broken massive wild rocks lofty hills and useless forests and these are viewed through myths and endless storms. The habitable land is reduced to the stones on the beach in search of food. They are compelled unceasingly wander from spot to spot and so steep is the coast that they can only move about in their wretched canoes. They cannot know the feeling of having a home and still less that of domestic infection for the husband is to the wife a brutal master to a laborious slave was a more horrid deed ever perpetrated then that witnessed on the west coast by byron who saw a wretched mother pickup bleeding dying infant boy whom her husband had mercilessly dashed on the stones for dropping a basket of eggs. How little can the higher powers of the mind be brought into play. What is there for imagination. Picture for reason to compare or judgment to decide upon to knock olympic from the rock does not require even cutting that lowest power of the mind. Their skill in some respects may be compared to the instinct of animals for is not improved by experience the canoe their most ingenious work poor as it is has remained the same as we know from drake for the last two hundred and fifty years whilst beholding these savages. One asks when said they come. What could have tempted. and what. Change compelled to tribe of men to leave the fine regions of the north to travel down the cordillera or backbone of america to invent and build canoes. Which are not used by the tribes of chile peru and brazil and then to enter on one of the most inhospitable countries within the limits of the globe. Although such reflections must at first sees on the mind yet we may feel sure that they are partly rone's. There's no reason to believe that. The foyer gains decrease in number therefore we must suppose that they enjoy a sufficient share of happiness of whatever kind may be to render life worth having nature by making habit omnipotent and it's affects hereditary has fitted the foggin to the climate and the production of his miserable country.

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#1567 - Donnell Rawlings & Dave Chappelle

The Joe Rogan Experience

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#1567 - Donnell Rawlings & Dave Chappelle

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Let's see my friend. Take me to the river. I want to go gore. Take me to your river. I wanna go. I don't even know things that you know. Leon bridges leon bridges. Yeah he's like a folk country sega. Black dude i think he's louisiana's where's from but about five years ago yet. Very popular song. That was like a song that really charted will. It was called the river. How's that that was a song and dinner is and then what he does. You wear jamie another. I've seen him before. But this song is like he's had other songs but for some reason this saw resonated with a lot of people in the country i was like him reminiscent quantum place with made a feel good in the river. I hope when we go over to spotify we can play it a go. I could take me to your. I wanna go. i'll that's pretty much it. That's one part. Everybody knows it's acceptable now for people to wear like neck carts scarfs. Are you being in sultan shifts. No not at all. It's normal if you'd wore that at any other time. I'd be like what is on your neck and i would explain it to be a gaiter right a caterer i notice. I know the gators on this. This is what it is. It's my you wear when you sneaking up on animals or people that covers. You can't sneak up on anybody in that. Yeah i guess that's a rainbow tradition liberal liberal liberal gator. Yup it's accepted by a gay people black people hispanic people. I'm sorry no worse. A baby move asking me about we. Jesus likely me why you keep me up a win. You said you liked likes her. We'd like something bad when tom got shot. Who shot you. That's the question. I have found answer to really it was. The shit happens so quick. I didn't really good get a good look at a person. The person has shot me Not too many people around a witness it. But i have the wound to show that i got shot. What was the situation. I was my dog. I i got. I got a new door that says doorbells. The dog gets lease. Look that little cutie. Yoke on camera. This is emotional support. That will maggie maggie maggie committee sweetie. Can we make gimme. She's a door. she doesn't know a coffee me. Sure know where we'd is. Coffee is but i was protecting her. Some people would try. Joe you want to hear the story about how shot of what i was protecting her honor right. I was protected. Her from hell of bullets. It was gang. I don't remember all of that. But i got shot in my mother fucking thumb. Where were you in the streets. Just regular yeah. I was not the streets now. The town though just the streets and that happens sometimes joke. You put yourself hanging in the streets. You put yourself in some unforgiving situations and that's what happened to me. And that's how i got my mom fucking dumb shot fuck off. And that's the story. I'm talking. That's the story. I'm sticking to so you. Got caught in crossfire. A hail of bullets. Jesus forty five shots rang up. Really legitimately pop pop pop up and this is the only entry stay very very happy that does only injuries sustained. You're not happy about a job. Because when i love you come on. I know you love me. But we're not told you i got shot. You continued to question me about donald. That's because you don l. right didn't question you like. I didn't believe you you did was singing. Said it so casually. That's which i said. Do you want drink. He said i can't on antibiotics. I said what happened. I got shot. That's usually any of my other friends. Who did shot if i said. Hey man what happened and they said. I got shot. You might just end right there. They would say it's craziest story over man but you don't have the car. I had my little dr house protecting. And that's the story that i told but the thing that you didn't believe me we've just got shot. You can't say i didn't believe you that's not true. It didn't look look at your i. It's like unusual. The way you were describing it. I got shot and then you wouldn't say anything more people don't go what would happen. How'd you shot. Well you remember. I had a disagreement with solar well. We finally had an opportunity. I'll crossed situation where those energies came together. We knew how are we going to settle this right. It wasn't like that it wasn't like that it was okay so you don't want to get specific about details. No i don't want. I just want you to respect the fact that they got shot. I believe that you got shot respected. I'm sad that you've got chopped. But i'm glad you're ok. I'm better i'm good. How is your thumb doing. Is it going to be alright. Yup it's going to be good. You know we got all the bullet fragments out of it you know. We avoided a surgery. So i'm be good. Just gotta get the range of motion back. Oh that's real good. They didn't have to do any surgery. Tendons or anything like that. Nope i got lucky. I have a friend who cut his finger on a window man and he never got his fingers back again. It's fingers are like this curled. I know everybody knows motherfucker like that. And we've all made fun of that motherfucker We've made fun of the person that you know. That don't have thumb But i'm telling you during this out to be surviving this gunshot shit just buttoning. My pants become a tested. I took advantage. I took took for granted right. The point i'm making is that you're lucky to have all of your limbs all your shit on your body. Yup you don't appreciate it one a month like a gun. Why i think that's the case with everything right like we didn't appreciate how good we had it before the lockdown before covert camera. Nobody appreciated how good we really had. We was living in a moment. We were also spoiled. Were spoiled by how good everything was. But we didn't think spoiled because that was what was going on right and till shits shifted and then same thing like you lose your thumb. You like oh shit you know. I really do appreciate of during those three spots. That night. You'd i mean i appreciate the fact did i could just walk in my family anywhere and i wouldn't be judged. I wouldn't be discriminated against. Whatever it just dangles jonas family not just like do you have a mask or not right. You know when. I do believe that it took a pandemic for people to really realise what the most important things in life on. I think so for sure. I think the beginning people were nicer because they were scared and they will like it was almost like post nine eleven. Feeling like we're all in this together but that didn't last very long. It was unrealistic to think. Everybody's going to be that way. People don't get frustrated. You once also resources start again. Low and people started realizing that not going to be able to work for a long fucking time you see. The governor got busted. You see the photo which governor governor california he got busted for got busted going to a restaurant with twelve people no social distancing no masks all the shit that he's been preaching four. He didn't do. They were saying that he was in outdoors. Like is people said. It was outdoors but now they are photos of it. Hundred percent endorse. They're all endorsed but the thing that sitting the unrealistic part about the you know people gotta push the platform. This mashes has been crazy but me. I know i shouldn't be like this and knows. What does she girls. But what does he represent. Motherfuckers like that institutions that no mass. Not socially distant. I just assumed that they all been tested. And they all been in the bubble situation that you've been in a bunch of bubble situations like wade. Dave yellow springs puzzled me. I you the first person you're the first person you didn't rate my nosy rate rate my finger. I didn't do it just you. Did you made somebody do it. You call wherever the fuck you wanna do. But she worked for you. That's true and you force that she had to do it. Well i just suggested probably a good idea for everybody but it was a good everybody. You knew that. So we know like bubble world. Yeah but it's not surprising that you see the governor in a situation like that. Because i'm pretty short doesn't send out the right message but i'm pretty sure. The demo fox was tested. Well that's what he should have said. They can't say that because they're a politician and everybody would go. Wait a minute if i test people. Can i go to work like what dave doing with. All the shows yeah tasks people in the audience and you can have a full audience you can you know you have a bunch of people that are healthy. You know you. You're taking the measures to create a safety. Yes it's a bubble. Here's the thing that a lot of people understand is that you could literally create your own bubble. Yes like i know. People like certain states. You have to meet a certain requirement to be tested. You can't be tesla's us. She starts showing symptoms. But you could create a bubble. This testing almost everywhere. There's an opportunity for people to get tested. It's a little harder than that for most people because the most people in terms of like just people's of just your access to it. It's not that common where you can go to a place and get a quick test yet. Okay well so then. What's the difference. And i may be wrong that this may be my ignorance like california like unnoticed situation like a dodger stadium. You don't saying for the most part anybody. I guess a california idea whatever they can get test known but hold on. You know that takes hours you know. Those people have to wait in line for hours. There was a line to get it done. Yeah yeah they are stupid fucking if you have a job man if you have a job and you're you're supposed to be at work nine. Am and you get to the kobe. Thing at seven thirty and they tell you to two and a half hour line. That's what it is. That's the reality and most of those aren't giving you the results immediately not immediately but enough where you could if you got those results as you get those results in eighteen hours say you were going to plan a family function. Something don't do student senate like when the bubble idea the buffer buffer start with the nba. You kinda contribute to that. Dave did it did it. I did it and you have. Ufc did i always thought like. Oh my god you don't have to be a millionaire to create a safe bubble for you and your family your friends you can do it now easier than ever before but the the problem with the governor saying is other people will let us make a bubble and go to work. Because that's what they should do. What could do what we're doing here. Which is lucky that podcasting is an essential business. I think she's trying to jump down. She tried to kill herself. She's just looking over the edge though she motion dog. I listen if anybody got jump. It's gonna be me tune with her. Okay she's the most doorbell little dog i've ever seen. I've never seen a little dog as a puppy maggie river. She's five months. Oh she knows her biological dan in her new ariza me for her to know her biological dad because i didn't want her to come from a place with like mental issues. The ship i understand to the mother she knows her two brothers and sisters. They have play dates. She's my little bits friend. What kind of dog issue to wile pit bull. Now she's far people dead dog. Look like as what kind of people fuck to our toy. People i'll really. Here's a little toy chihuahua. Wa wa toys toy pit bulls are cute little dogs. Yeah she's ferocious. don't let fuck sad is full. You have you ever seen a toy pit bull jamie. They're really tiny. We know real pit bulls like the fighting pit bulls. There were thirty pounds. There weren't big dogs. The ones that they bred for fighting the smaller ones the little little demons. I don't even know if i can remember ever seeing a small pit bull. Yeah bryan callen. Used to have a small pit ball. It was a tiny one and it was for road. That's where he gets his personality from him. He bought an animals. We went to a guy who raise them for fighting. Oh shit yeah we were in our twenties be puppies but oh my god look tiny little mother fucking toughest. Should the black lives matter would say. Oh my god. that's ridiculous. Their dogs ridiculous. That's the thing that they do. They take these dogs daybreak their legs and shit like that right now. They just breed them. They do what's called the they select right so like dogs with shorter. Legs breed with another dog shorter legs and they'll try to select for certain greats. Like i used to have a dog that was from hawaii and they used them for hog hunting. That's what they use his family force. He had long ears. It was a dog pacific to. yes yeah they. They breed a lot of pit bulls in hawaii and one of those jobs because most dogs do go get birds. What the fuck does cog hunting. Okay say what they do is in the real thick brush. You can't really get to the hogs like it's hard to shooting you with a gun like you're shooting through hundred yards of brush. Dogs can go in there and get them in the hold them to hold the pig so there's a style of hunting easy though right it does except for the dog. It's not like the same kind of hunting because you're lying one hundred percent on the dogs usually there's two groups that dogs depending on what animal you'd like if they hunt mountain lights. He's to use a certain kind of dog. That'll bay the dog. Obey them outline and but if they hunt pigs a lot of times they'll use an animal that lets you know where the pig is and then they release other animals that hold the pig so those are the are the pit bulls and then you shoot. 'em well the easily stab him. Hand like Yeah it's kinda fucked is all about the dog. It's the dog is the one who did it and you just finish. The job is crazy to excuse me. There's there's videos of it of the way they do it. And it's like whoa and i've been asked to go on one of those hunts and like i am not interested in doing that dog. It's do they get new dogs but this is This is the thing that people are doing for two reasons one for food right because this is the best way that they can get food like you can trap this animal. And then that's how you're gonna get the animal if you just rely on just hunting with a rifle or a bone marrow in real thick shit with wild pigs. You probably going to go hungry. So so there's that and then the other thing is these are invasive. Animals like they brought over to why and they're wild and they have no predators so they have to kill them. They have to control this. How did they bring them to kill a species or something. Like a noted. No no they brought them over for food. Okay like captain cook. Those dudes used to do that. Shit these release gonna catlin cook. I'll in i captain crunch. I know captain crunch of stuff Captain hook was an old pirate right. Wasn't he cook. Cook don't say hook. Hook was pirate to captain cook. He's to go to islands and they would drop off animals so that the next time they came around they'd have something to eat. Leave goats on an island. I think that's how the goats got on galapagos. I think that's how they got on a lot of islands. The these pirates or sailors would drop these animals but meanwhile the animals destroy ecosystems yet. But you have some fresh coat. When fresh coat yet fucked the rivers. They had a lot of turtles too. They they killed off a lot of sea turtles because they would take sea turtles and they flip them over and put them on their back and they'd be good for weeks. Yep would eat them. Because you don't you don't need any they don't eat anything like they can survive just on their back for weeks and weeks and weeks and you don't have to worry about refrigeration them but you can't tell somebody you're hunting turtles. You're not trying to as fuck if you like a fucking stock this fucking turtle for three days. I think probably get game on the beach but if you got them in the water that it'd be quick sea turtles when i catch of a turtle on the road and it was always one country motherfucker like this he. It was a mechanic in a neighborhood and he had like oil up under his hand. He always helped people's babied mothers with fucking changing brake pads and shit grimy dirty mother that eat anytime type roadkill and whatever we saw fucking dare dead turtles something. We knew that nichols going to yell. Now turtle soup. Yeah soup yeah. I'm not a big fan of. But i've never had it. Yeah it seems like it would probably be an alligator media media type of family. I'll get it tastes good. It is yeah everything is good what it tastes like chicken. That's the reference for any thing. It tastes like chicken. yeah. I have frog legs recently. There were good you. It's i've heard providence before but trying to convince a black person he frog legs is tough sale. Does that order to to get a black person to order frog. Legs off of a menu is like getting them to say. I want my stake. Wo- rare is always gotta be. Will you well done no. That's what i'm saying. I though but how do you eat your steak medium medium yup media mer out. There's a lot of black people to watch. It gonna be like where he changed when they start about bloomberg when they start talking about blood that's what he lost the street so that i could do media medium rare. I can't do it i would. I understand i've had it like that but my preference would be. Yeah but average circle. That i grew up round. My jujitsu instructor eats it. Well done and when he orders it i cringe. Like doc machado. Well done you know what that is for. The sh chef that gets to order says to well done stakes at table forty knights. They're calling them every fucking racial today. I think that's the quickest way to fucking it makes my order of fuck of well-done. Stay it should not enjoy it cooking it like that. That's a weird thing like a preference thing like if you ask people's preference like it's not like you just cook it like if you order chicken. They just cook your chicken. They don't ask you a temperature. You'd like chicken breasts. They just cook it but even pork chops. Same thing right. You don't ask you stake. They'll give you options while the fuck you give me an option. If our can't have all done you should just have it your way but it just insulting it is but it's salting like give the opportunity to insult because they do have that as an option have you ever been A certain way like judge somebody by the way they own steak. Yeah i do honestly. But but again. John john machado like i said i have nothing but respect for him makes me sad that he likes well done meat. I notice is gonna be bad people. What type of brother m bernard took. My sister had to eat once. She wanted to stay as she ordered. Well done it. I think you should order something else i say. I'm not paying for a leather belt. Wow and i didn't have to eat to shit. I wasn't gonna do. I just felt fucked up you. You felt judgy. I didn't feel. I was judging little judgy. Yup i was lit. Fucking hood should go. But isn't that the only food that we have that with like cheeseburgers. Nobody gives a fuck if somebody says how. Do you want your cheeseburger like pulling the black the black community when you said cheeseburger for the most part. That's going to be well done cats. Don't wanna see the pink in. That's what they want. They'll tell you all the pink out. Well you really should with ground beef. See the thing with ground. Beef is you. Don't know what the surface area is when you're eating ground beef right. They take a cow's whatever they grinded up the stuff in the middle like that could have been on the outside right so you don't know like when you get a steak you see here the outside cook the outside the there's no room for bacteria anything could have grown on the outside is dead inside. You don't have to worry about unless it's rotten. That's why black people get their fucking hamburgers well done. That's wise saying we didn't know it but that's just what it was for hamburg. You don't wanna get food poisoning right. Yeah hamburgers in fact. You are right there when they grind it or you go to a top shelf restaurant where they literally. They'll take a piece of chuck rose and they'll or even framing yawn. Like some of them do it with a groundout filet mignon unit. Right neighbors in the right neighborhood usually add fat to it. Believe it or not to make a juicy to juicier. What is it why people blood i mean like like. I don't know why people get a kick out like the rarest. They can order steak like the blood. Part of. That's rare is weird when someone orders rare or you know what blew. Up you proud of the blood. Joe no every time you posted l. pitcher it's like you can't just showed a meek you want motherfucker knife and you do your pitcher joe at. It's like you waited for to blood sweat at a certain temperature. You know when it looks to bloodiest and dustin shot. Got always what i'm trying to do and i'm trying to do is show that it's cooked perfectly. That's medium rare with respect for the meat. When i do. I use thermometer. I mean. I do it nice and slow. No you know how to cook. Don't wait wait a minute. Wait a minute just trying explains wait a minute joke. What your man of wilderness. Yes right an all that you will respect that looking at joe looking for effect. Look at that. that's perfect. You can't it doesn't get better than that but you're proud of the color of it. 'cause it's perfect it's perfectly cooked but it looks like half. What is it elk elk. That's super athlete. I argued with someone. Because i told them that. You like elk can make bell and they were like this but airline. Papa makes it the last time. I spoke to you about me cooking. You were very condescending. That's not true. Yes where you said it. The same way. I said you got shot. No okay so you can cook. Yeah and you're kind of sending it is but the way would that w you looked at me. You look me up and down you. Judge me differs. Joe does jif what i said. I could cook elk. Let me see you have heard of limiting the number. I heard you cook really well. I heard you have amazing barbecue skills that could that could be that could be in and said barbecue you listen. Barbecue is one of the most complex forms of cooking. You're doing it slow too much. Fuck it up too little. You don't do it right and then it's hard to put it back on because it hasn't been sitting at the same temperature the entire time. That's the art of barbecue barbecue. I think about the barbecue. I understand that the black barbecue. I understand like frankie beverly and horizon. It's a whole production not just want to use a barbecue. Texas is mostly why people i think. And y'all tes personal experience. I will say this why people can fuck and smoke some meat. They know how to do it here. I'll tell you that when i first got. I think it's a place called blacks. You terry black's phenomenal didn't they. Didn't they break up like yes. They broke up family then. The son's starter on their own literally had some issues. I don't want to air their dirty laundry on the podcast but The somebody stole the nonsmo- happen. Something happens secrets. These people terry black's in town has only been open since two thousand fourteen. I believe in it. It feels like a place. It's been around two hundred years. I mean they got a dial in that barbecues off the hook if if they came up generations generacion they're just put in whatever recipe is whatever the loved i know they make their own their smokers these giant propane tanks and they make their own smokers. Maybe that's what i enjoy. Level white people level of barbecue and when they started doing the machines. And i should say they hire someone to make their smokers but they get this do to make the smokers out of propane tanks. The not buying like a big commercial smoker. They're having this commercial smoker made we they give us a game. They did an amazing job. They wanted to their specifications. And those those propane tanks are thickest fuck it's heavy drag man ways to would you cook with wood. Wood is an offset although smokers work right so you have an offer fire box. Fire boxes over on the side and they're constantly checking the temperature and open the flus. Make sure it's at a perfect temperature and then you've got the smoker which is off to the side and the move and meet around because it's hotter with air comes right out. Oh my god they got dialed in their brisket is ridiculous. It's so good as to what i'm talking about that's should milky amount and it's us don't come off bloody like different kind of animal. That's that's that's elk me. You can have elkin. You could do it that way. They cooked the neck. Meet that way. My friend john dudley. We're help neck meet because the neck meet is very strong dense because elk has giants right so l care it's like it's doing weights with it but it doesn't have. No fatty is no fat. No fat no fat. There's a little bit of foul on the outside of them but there's no fat at all. It's a totally different thing. So you got to cook it slow. So if it's anything other than that like medium rare like that. It's going to be dried out you want. It just cooked slowly and seared on the outside. So i take a totally different approach of. I'm cooking like a rib. Eye a cow versus elk. Stay completely different way of cooking. I know that because you never post regular steak pitches. I'm i don't never you fucking once you digital fucking i your regla state pictures was just dead man. Well they're not as interesting to me. Gregor stay is great. I'll cook it. I'll eat it. But the alc- is like i've intimate relationship with that. Everyone knows that. I may even when i tell people i will do your show. They'll take a bite of the elp for me. I'm serious ben is like yo you cool shit. They see you do a lot of kosher. But they've never seen you and you told me. do i really want like. Yeah but i had. I was in hospital recovering from a the way i wanted to. That's a lucky injury in the sense right like all things could have gone wrong with your thumb not even need surgery. Get the bullet fragments out. I mean that's that's how. I run my life match the easiest possible. Anybody else could've injury and we're fucked up. The dependent mckay stopped me neither. Can this fucking thumb. Yeah highs if you're crazy 'cause you get it all time from being from a place like you were saying like what we took advantage of the one of the things. We'd never took advantage of states because we always did it but not have an acceptable to your time. How does it feel here would not be every like you know what i'll do like fucking three spots and hammer some shit out real quick. Well the i haven't done that since march you know since The store closed down. There was no up comedy at all in la so it was it was a whole life shift The only time. I did it on. The road was july and in july. I did. Four shows at the houston improv. I had a great fucking bitches left there. Man it was. Did you feel. I know cells crazy. I know we're gonna do some shit mask shit story but it's a club de a certain capacity. Nanny got a trimmed down meet whatever the mandated but people were in their temperature checks in there. I noticed sounds crazy. Some people were mass subject but didn't have mess mistaken. They sell the tickets as a group. Right i don't know if they're doing that now but they're doing that. A lot of places and it's like you feel good about it. Yeah you know but then it's like people take away from that filling because it's always somebody where's the mass whereas the mess right there. There are people that are rightly upset at people taking risks because those people that do take risks. Then get sick. And they're irresponsible enough to take a risk and get sick. They might be responsible enough to go out and mingle with people when they know they're sick. People are like that. Some people are selfish. You know that right. I know that yeah to be. And then they could even give it out when they don't know they have it but you symptomatic but then at some point. Don't you have to be selective about the people that you don't. You have to be selective on the chances. This is my frustration. I'm not a mass or non massacre like people make the argument. But what if i'm in. What if i go to the grocery store. And i have my mask going. And there's this old lady doesn't mask on then. I don't think you should go places where it could be people that don't have the mask on. Shouldn't you order online or something. Just don't get in the lady's face and you're gonna be fine. It's man. I don't think you should tell some old lady. The chest put a mask on. I ran into a lady at the grocery store. She didn't have a mask on. All right what are you to do. She's old man. I mean this lady should probably feels terrible breathing through the mask. Feels like she doesn't have much time asthma attack. She had one on but she was doing this. Shit got argument up that yielded. I went to a grocery store. I'm getting a couple of items. And i had my mother fucker mess. Joe i tell you the tip of my nose showing the tip got mad and this leaves behind plexiglass. She had sanitizer. She was screaming registered. Administrative mask everything. Am i shit. Went right to the tip of my. No sir sir sir sir you gotta put your mask. You gotta put your mask. I'm like i'm sorry. Okay then i gotta pay do apple pay but to get into my phone. You got to open up the phone with my face. Yeah so. I put it out sir. I'm sorry i'm like i'm trying to pay you. I got logging officials. Will you can't do that any ear right. You can't use apple pay. I can't show my face to open my phone again. Samsung pay the let us fingerprint. Time to switch to android. i don't have an android. that's very evil for you too i. I'd rather i know but our talk about your fuck phone joe. Why is it evil. Because was the wrong time it was dukakis wrong and the thing is making so i had to hide you guys. Sorry this is what. I had to do joe. I had to actually stand. Leave the register to could outside. Yeah shout over for them. And i went to pay and then when that happened could could've been pissed but i couldn't even like you know what i'm just never going to the store again. Well it's just a lady work and they'll just to put the mask over your nose. I'm not gonna put my wish wagon get frustrated. I didn't it was just i. Is there any apple pay. You already arguing with her right. The part of the problem. I never said. I was arguing so she was already telling you. Put your mask over your nose. So she was at a heightened state of awareness frustration. Yeah but i don't know if it was me you know what it was me. I didn't see that energy around anybody else. Perfect time to use the blackhawks. I'm not gonna do. It knows card that she saw your nose. And she's some people are just like real sticklers for shit. You know bridget. Fantasy comic from la writer. She told me she was walking on one side of the street and there was a guy across the street on the sidewalk on the other side yelled are put guy. Let me tell us. On this argument i noticed for safety and everything north for safety and what the lars we share and all that but for some people. It's a perfect opportunity to astle exactly and that's the the fine line is like do you really care about his mass. You get to either discrimination against mass people and now nomads people. It's just people have an opportunity to tell people what to do to get mad. They do you want hear to it. Then they get mad because you listen to the rules fucking right well. That's why people particularly upset at this gavin newsom shit because in the one telling us. You can't have large gatherings for thanksgiving stay home. Social distance. Wear a mask in between bites food. This guy's been saying all this shit and he's going to see him eating at a restaurant so does that mean. we believe. Everything's about you got so that's a perfect example of you know. A lot of things are motivated through politics and looks. You know what i'm saying. Everything that you see. Not what is not really what you think it is. So how much. How much are you going to put into a person like. What their thoughts. Yeah not much. What kind of person wants to do that. That's the problem. We're kind of person wants to be governor. They're not normal and you didn't care until the pandemic when the pandemic rolled around you realize. Oh the mayor matters really matters you know like like have drains of a certain amount of fame and wanted to be superstars. Yeah because even though you say you do it for the people you have to be likable or have some type personality. Connect people and you're cultivating your act. They have an act to one hundred percent. They have an axe different than our act are actors to make people laugh. Their act is to get people to think that they're the person who's got the solution. There's our leader turn is to lie. Yes one hundred. You know what. Joe we're going through all of this shit in even with this last election. Whoever you decide you liked appreciate whatever. It was just so weird thing going on. It was a weird thing. Going on. And i was watching one. David goggin post. And i have to say david goggles. I've never seen anybody. Worst feet demography. Oh his feet broken down but he just done run in two hundred and forty mile. I know us going to defend. And i was gonna say the same thing negotiate with. What has he done with his feet. And what have you so. I know you're going to be like you don't have any mountains. Those are fucking rock blisters. Yeah legitimate news. Going to say that point. I was going to make this a point i was gonna make. He said everybody. Yeah jesus christ look at those big toes. those look like crate like they'd been through. That is hilarious. Those that thing on the left he showed me that. If you cut out like coach the right foot big toe big toe if you showed me a photo of that and didn't show me the rest of his foot that's like a snail or something people will say people say that was my foot. That's a mars. Mars rock just zoom zoom on. Just the toe. Don't show me anything but is right. So that's a rock from mars does not real. But that's fucking a lotta miles joke. That's a brain of steel. That man has brain of steel that he knows how to force himself to do shit. That hurts this is what he was saying. He didn't whatever it is. he wanted him. He always has to remind you that he was fed piece of shit. Yup doesn't like that gotta be fat. Must be the number one motivated thing for that. Oh damn so. You didn't see the rest of it. He'd be like what is that. That's a rock somewhere. That's on another planet. Satellite satellite people. Y'all grosses satellite blooded. I know you're like jamie go closer. But the point he made son. He said he said everybody. I i used to be a fat piece of shit pounds with three hundred dollars a piece of shit everybody's looking for i need to answer with this person. I need the air. That press with fucking. Why don't you be the answer for yourself. Yeah that's that's. I know people like well. That's easy to say but why not find the answers. You need a life to yourself right through what you do your hard work in an type of person and type of type of father you are. That's why people are. Kim are so important because he'll tell you what people like him are so important because he'll tell you he used to have no discipline right so like this is not something. He was really is a for instance discipline. Because i was having coffee with dave today and then he said that about you. Because i was talking about I can't drink no shit with my antibiotics. When i got shot and everything. There's some kind of way we talked about you in. That's what he said he said. I fucking love and respect is disciplined. Do have some of that. yeah lazy to man. I forced myself. And all this stuff that i do. Yeah but you get challenged by something. Something kicks you. Yeah well. i don't don't like fallen. I don't like not doing what i'm to do. So i forced myself to do what i'm supposed to do but it's never easy. It's not easy you know. It's like i would think of discipline people's being like there was no wavering. They just got up and did it. But you don't say anything goggin tells you will. Sometimes i'll stay at my shoes for thirty motherfucking minutes for put them bitches on because you thank god that's what he's talking about. He's talking about lewis worst. The just opened up my own store right and i just thought gaga feet. You gotta help me get that. Look that we saw candles no son. You know about that. Joe son. That is joe. Put a little on your hand. Please put on your hands. That should vegan is all natural is fire son. We watch what i say so once what say nice watch how low shit laszio. Okay feels good. I know it sounds weird looking at edge. They are all on the back. I know you don't get your glasses. You have to read it. But it's like type oils coconut coconut coconut. A google all simoni. Cbd show me. I don't know what this stuff is. When i mungo oil. Google it googling mad ritz plant butter so mad. You laugh at son. You're laughing but does is fires. I'm just laughing at erica. Do petitional right ashgabad. Do put that show now. That's usa. thank you listen. Every eric dude sled as she started rubbing real real slow she hadn't been on pick pandemic and well as she was like she was like. Is it edible. She really high. Are you disrespecting product or you. Now i was thinking about taking cream eaten up. i'd probably have to be pretty high. Certain people react to things differently. Smell like food though. I was like a delicious but wait but wait to. It's like it's like food is it's like food for your your. Your body is eating right now. John one hundred hundred milligrams of cbd yup looking at maga or that is cocoa butter. We got hold enough. This is the when did you start this business. I've been working on a formula for two years. I know that's what i say too. Classy ashy to classy feeling. You have look at that. I like the sparkle. The thing about joan. i've been as my whole life. You know that for years people like you should do. She should do ocean. I'm like mantis is kind of corny. I mean it could be d- novelty could be funny. You'll ask larry got his own lotion like fuck. That shit did not met with this young lady. And she's like a chemist when it comes to this lotion shit and we start working on. And then when i when i finally tried what was in product like dishes really work like it really works is good. It sounds like it's good for your muscles to because it's good for everything we do. Your hands are gonna thank me later. I believe it. What is the name of the website danica rawlins. That's okay stores. The look it look you entrepreneurial i've never this is one thing that came out of this. Not just for me. Joe for a lot of people think about this a person that makes their money on the road a road a real role coming. This happen to me. Ninety five percent of the money. I make on rome. Ninety five percent of the shows. I had are done so only thing. I have from what i usually make. Is that five percent. I didn't enough shit right and even though you can have some money stacked up but whatever you still got you ask yourself what the fuck is going to be the pivot. I don't think the pivots gonna come for a long time either in terms of us being able to get back to work. No no no. We got go out next summer next summer. You think joe donal. I'm not trying to say. I don't believe in corona right now but we are on the track of not just devonish it but being able to have it under control. We're about to get to the point where people are going to have more security. You know what i'm saying. Just think about think about the progress. We made in a year from when it first happened. You take corona test. You had to wait seven days. Think about when i went. I hit we all got. It was so scary. So scary it in all his latest ventilators finland's but if you know now when the pandemic started yet we still losing people but you don't hear that ventilator talked too much no more ventilators are actually a bad idea. Now they really point says. I figured out finding this podcast yesterday on covid thought nicholas kristof cova nigger. He believes cove is a real problem. Yeah for sure. I believe it but i believe it was controlled controllable. It is controlled a bowl. I think a multi-faceted problem. I think rolling handling one aspect of it which is keep people from work in key people home. Keep people away from people. No you can't do treating people like their children. You got this. What you gotta do. Go outside is what you gotta do. We going to have more creative ways to make money like yeah. Think about comedy scene when we thought like only place that tells jokes was on a stage and i was. I had some resentment toward some of those outdoor events. The park allies. Shit i am. I saw one of those park shows with horns. I was like never give a heckler an instrument to fuck your show. There's no way. I'm gonna these multiple because there's no way i'm going to be. Yeah but people are happy to be out man. It's a different experience. That's an the point i was making like. You suppress people you can call them for certain mirta prepared to him but after a while you have to figure out my point i was gonna make something. They're only looking at one side of it. They're not looking at telling people to be healthy. There's no talk about that. Yes nigger. What's up son. You a strong motherfucker. All your neighbors is strong. Jamie might be the least strong. Everybody stunned allies off man james. I'm not saying you not strong. You just said or forget about this. And he's got a script. He's got a deadly three porn. Any runs like jamie's and shape black shaped poor black people shape. He's he does pull. That's black people shape. Run play out of pull ups and push you do the jail. Workouts jamie's action in good shape. I believe outside. Jay marina get it. He's back there. He doesn't know what he's what he thought he would. He fowley talks jamie. Show someone from that video of you. Dunkin to shoot three pointers ever said he couldn't run. Dude it's impressive like no no no you can't dunk. We're working on that shit. He's hitting three points or three pointer like rainman. Something weird about him like he's got like there might he might have a wire across in his brain. I didn't know he was nice. What i'm saying is to go back to your point. Joe is everybody's talking about end of corona like don man don lemon man limit sub four years for four years straight complained he was mad at donald trump for four fucking years. Yeah four years. And i was like man if donald trump wins election. Don limit is go to jump off to see an building. Do you remember other faces. When he won last time we wanted. Two thousand and sixteen. There are so depressed. Jack tapper and all those people on tv just like motherfucker can't believe but here's the thing i'm like. I don't think you're supposed to do that if you do the news. John commentary that the news. You're supposed to say the news. Joe let us figure it out. Joe donna joe. That's why i do. Subscribe to the notion that fake news like to be honest. It's all fake. It's all of them. Are fake fake and this i did what i keep on telling me was like how i know you're upset but when you're like you you're it's all personal like everything has to the heart like well. That's where it gets weird. Those two guys. Chris cuomo and don lemon both of them they do this editorializing and this like it's almost like they're doing a podcast and their opinion is all in it in their opinions in it but it's also on the other side too but it's unscripted and they're doing it on a news channel. There's a lot going on there. But that's why if you don't his another meeting if you didn't understand whatever party you agree with whatever the if you don't understand how easy it is to manipulate the media. It is so so simple to manipulate the media to manipulate the media and people listened to manipulate people. What do you mean by manipulate the media. Then you can create stories of you could create stores. Make things happen. I see i got shot. My mother fucking thumb. That's what i heard and a lot of people don't believe me i believe you. I don't believe that you believe what. I believe. The visit like when i got when i first got shot joe posted on ignorant. I didn't want post incident. Because i know i didn't want to get no war in streets going on people like going out looking for the person who shot me my thumb so i kept it to myself then really bring it to me. Three potentially pose one pitch hospital. You okay. you'll k. They don't know how what i got shot for but they instantly got connected to this story. Did you ever think a non posting. It i did. What made you decide the post world. No world need to know a little gigs. I had to postpone when i was a locker. Shot up locked up when the united states like yeah. I wasn't ready to share to the world then. I didn't know how to take it. Okay i wanted to be transferred to be honest. Let them know. I got shot. Because what i did you know. I see you feel. You still. don't believe i do believe you. I think you just looking for a very specific reaction from me. I gave that up a longtime ally nervous. The first time. I came up with the puck to say they would. You say giga does all right. I'm here you are here. But are you thinking about bailing elliott. I think so. Yeah a lot of people. Are the reason that we've started filling when we don't. You don't really need hollywood like that you know. I don't think anybody needs it anymore. Some people thought that you're right. Some people thought it. Did you had to be here every night. I thought i needed to be there for a long time. And then once what happened this situation then you realize what can i do. You like. Wait a minute. I really can make my own community. Yes i can make my own community. Not only that you get connected to all the other communities like all the other podcasts. We all help each other. We're all together. I will say one one thing why people do when it comes to. Podcast support each other. We support you but you know what man. That's a new thing. Because in radio was the opposite when radio attack each other like i remember opie and anthony was always at war with howard stern and you know jay leno was always at war with all the other late night talk show host. And what did you do you with their platforms bono. No they were just scared because they only had a slight back in the day. When you were on television or the radio you had a very specific time slot. You had six. Am day part to ten. Am right day. Parts and other people are also on at six. Am to ten minoan recorded anything so you have to listen to it live. I was. I was a part of that. I don't know you. I was a part of when hot ninety. Seven was the biggest and urban radio. New york was the biggest. And then i i was. I was doing radio. Wind power one five came became competitor. They had no competition. Fers you know it was just him then. They got challenged and that would. That's what made for interesting interest in ship between both of them is like yeah. We talked shit about ninety seven point ninety seven point five zero five then you start listening to both of them to see what should talk. You could do that if you're them or you could listen and if you'd like it tell people that's good. That's what podcast is to like. If i'm listening to your show. I'll tell people tano rollins shows hilarious or listen to this guy or listen to her. Listen to what. I'll tell people people. I don't even fucking no man. I tell people about podcasts. That i listen to from npr or fucking radio lab. What i always tell people. Because i'm interested in cool shit. I wanna know about cool. Shit if i find cool shit i want to tell other people about cool shit word kuna. They're worried about if they talk about something else going to blake opinions. It's gonna take attention away from them. That's what's called famine thinking you can never famine famine famine feast or famine feast thinker. I always think there's enough for everybody. Everybody took him aboard. I want everybody to be happy. I want everybody to make money. I want everybody to be famous. I want everybody to be happy. I want them to be fulfilled. I don't want to be the man that idea. Being the man is to me is ridiculous. Idea buddy outside of when you do something like that for some people in their perception of you. That's what makes you demand. That's what makes you if you able to inspire motivate tests. What makes you the man that. I'm happy if that's the case that people think that way but i know it. I'm in a position to be generous. So they know it they hold it against you too. It feels good to be generous. Who people that don't like me to hold it against you. That i have that i have you on people that don't like meat. They'll say. Hold it against me podcasts. Jamie jamie knows. What are you talking until do like you don't know you yet. But like some people. They told me they wasn't going to like you anymore. Because you like meagerly luck if you are. They said they wasn't gonna like you because you but that's ridiculous. Anybody who thinks like that is out of their fucking mind nor they were special. I read the comments joe. They were saying shit like this. There's well joe was right up to this point we had a track record like. Yeah i believe everything said until he got loud mouth of this thing. I don't think anybody will ever understand the camaraderie that we all have read comic staff. It's a different world but the pockets world is totally different. Y'all because your mother focus. It's just like but the park has world is so fucking dope and podcasts world was ready for the pandemic has people's like this what pandemic i get to spend more time with my kids kids and you get to spend more time to in podcast because everybody's free even if you have to do those stupid zoom podcasts. You're still spending more time doing podcast yet. But it's like you figured out like they knew it was going to happen before fucking actually mean right at all. I came in right at the right time. I don't think they knew it was going to happen before it happened. But i think they got lucky. The got lucky. That look man was just dependent upon hollywood and gigs. I'd be fucked right now. I'd have no income coming in but you sort of future to set you. I'd say this to you before like when you hear what. Joe rogan you hear about this spotify dealing you hear about all this type of ship blah blah blah. And then you. You don't understand like i said joke. Everybody wants to be you right now but nobody wants to be you when people were saying no and quit was breaking down and we didn't know we was going to do it. You know things. I never. I didn't think about it that way. I didn't think like. I know this is going to blow up. I thought i like doing this. I'm going to keep doing so. You just continue to have fun. I just do what. I like all the shit that i do. You think about it. I just do what. I like whether it's standup comedy or whether it's ufc commentary or doing a podcast. I do what i like. I do what i like. I don't think oh if i do this. It's going to be huge. I just do what i like. That's the most empowering thing that is so hard that's the most empowering thing that is so hard for people to feel comfortable enough to do it is because to turn it in turn into my mom. Fuck fuck bitches all the time. You know what i'm saying. They can figure out a way to get a w. nine or anything for it peanut. Get they get nervous about the future to you. Got to have enough confidence in yourself to take chances. Are you think that there are a lot of pussies out here. There's a lot of pussies our country pussy. Our country has a lotta pussy in it because it's too easy to get by and it's human nature to become soft when when things are easy and when you're in any sign of any kind of struggle whatsoever that's when the real pussies emerge because any pressure oughta go. Well you leave them. You see how bad they are because they fall apart any adversity at all anything but beyond that now. Because there's not beyond that nail. Joe rees wise beyond this is the thing that this is a personality trait or just as of side of that to say i'm a fan of donald trump every day but it was certain things that i could understand where thought comes from but how you articulated to people all fucked up the way articulate is psych sir terrible at it filters certain people need like kanye west these interpreter. You know what he needed. He needed a coach because someone coached him for that. Second biden debate. If you watch that second biden debate he was calm and cool at biden work himself up stammer and lie about shit and he treat eat still attacked him but he attacked them in a different way. The first time we did it he was obnoxious. He kept talking over him. He didn't let them talk was ridiculous. Everybody wanted to shut his mic off. But then someone must have coached him for this or he himself. I'm a different taste. The difference going to tell you the difference. Whatever numbers you say loser of this election still one breaking record. I know he's i can place still was second place with first place and any other time history. What is shifted and everything. That's nuts the show. Everybody realize it's important when you when you realize god like donald trump can become president gone. It's actually important to vote your bra that you know it has to it so you see those numbers. Y'all it was like it was crazy. It was like certain places separated by five thousand votes. I know ten thousand votes is tight and you could say you can make the argument you could. Here's to a man. Donald trump let it be known that he didn't give fuck about anybody put his face. Yeah that's it. And i'm not saying if it's a numbers game understand that there's a certain amount of people to help you will help you get elected. There's a certain amount of people that's why you have strategists and shit like if we do this we get these robo calls here and everything it's the discern people that can help you get there if he never made no like if he softened his approach. I think the base would not have appreciated it. S the numbers. It's like love him or hate him. Very polarizing for the item works for right. I wish whereas biden. I don't think people love biden. something has to be. i don't think they dislike them. They hate trump. The people that voted for biden hate trump. Most of or just feel like. We just can't do this anymore. That's vote voted for biden hate trump. But they're not excited about him the way they're excited about obama or excited about clinton or about a million other presidents in the past don million y- before the multiple every time it's switch because somebody goes totally opposite of what was going on. Yeah there's a little bit of that but it's usually bullshit bullshit man. But i'm leon these old stories old stories at the repeating over and over again biden is filling up his cabinet with all these billionaire hedge fund people's like not had trunk people's by environmental like the the guy that is involved in environmental. He just just hired some guy said about. I don't know what color is. I was reading about the environmental eiser. That's important because he important work for a fucking oil company to block parties important. Environmental adviser was taking money from fossil fuel companies. And they're like. Hey hey hey hey. Hey hey this guy has ties to fossil fuels and you're doing something with him. That involves the environment. There could be a conflict of interest. That's what i'm saying if he's black. Okay we'll find our now. Listen this is. I think they're probably gonna hire a lot of republicans are restarted. Black guys. they're gonna they're gonna hire a lot of people that want to listen in their defense. Probably think some radical things need to be done to kick start the economy right now. How fucked i. I don't know how they're going to go to work to dirty bro. Their work together here. He goes biden. Just appointed his climb. Black man yes told you. It's a fossil fuel industry ally areas. Black look at black shit. That's all i need you there you go. He raked in big money from fossil fuel industry while waiting to help oil and gas or voting rather to help oil and gas companies guys greeting them is different. Look like hey fella. My mother is video of lindsey graham and kamala harris fist bump each other. It's adorable common the hair eastern across the aisle that that was a good move by fist. Fist-bump well she's the only good move. She's strong district attorney. She got some questionable arrests on some shit show people and keeping them in prison to use them as to fight wildfires and shit. But i am my community. I've heard people talk about her. Looks she is you. You have trusted here. You believe her. What i did believe in was when she got elected to be the first female vice president first black president within a couple of days to commercials. I've seen different urban platforms or just period is been you see a little black girl right looking up to something You know we see the shadow with her standing there and shadow black girls and shadow. But the little girls the just showing. It's like this fill. They feel black girl joy. They see something that's she also. She didn't know she just but she didn't just bad things. She did a lot of good things. She she prosecuted a lot of child sex predators shit a lot of bad people. She wasn't just situations where people should have been let out of jail weren't but there's also like this is the thing that we have to realize when it comes to district attorneys and just attorneys and prosecutors and defense attorneys general the trying to win a game and it gets dirty when i'll tell you what my people the haven't yet but i'm sure you will sorry. Tried people or defend people. The people defend people they know are fucking guilty and they'll keep shit from the prosecution even though they know they're defending guilty person. They do it all the time. So people queue people that they're not sure and they'll pretend they're sure that that person's guilty because they wanna win and they'll withhold information that could potentially exonerate that person because they're playing a game when you let people play a game anytime you let people blogging at someone's trying to win. They cheat they to figure out a way to do better than you. With with influence by withholding things holding things back. They know this judge tight with this lawyer. They try to win a game. You've made it a game so you got a prosecutor and you've got a defense attorney so you've got two competing forces you're always going to have lies one hundred percent because people play games so that was the business. She's in her. Say john that was. That's her business. That's our business in a business of words like you said there's laws she how do i win. Typically laws the laws the word. How do i win with these words. Right right no matter which thick. How do i win this. Come come on you know. That's not right. We're not talking about right. We're talking about what we approve. And that's what is all about right. That is if you are a defense attorney. That's your job is to protect somebody And try to get him off even if they might be guilty. And if you're a prosecutor your job is to prosecute somebody you're not. Your job is not to go. Hey we might be wrong. Your job is not to go. Hey let's but the shady shit is when you don't play by the rules and you withhold information or Or withhold evidence and people have done that in the past and that's when things get real squirrels because like okay. Now you're not playing the game using the unfair advantage press. you know. it doesn't surprise me. But what i'm saying is it doesn't make a personal bad. She's not all bad like she's done a lot of very good things. I i read an article about all the different things. She did including the different things that she did that. A lot of people thought were bad like forever threatening moms with. They would go to jail if their son was truant but it turns on no one ever went to jail. It was a threat in. Obviously it's terrifying to be a single mom. Think you might get put in jail because your son is just running around and doesn't show up at school because you worked two jobs trying to put food on the table but nobody ever actually did get arrested in went to because too hard to prove that shit man and some people and some cases some people are and i don't know if some people are too lazy certain situations to well. I'm saying this is not a good idea to threaten the mother because she's a single mom trying to get by and her son is not going to school. It's not good to threaten her with jail time but sometimes people to make a decision and sometimes people make decisions like drastic decisions like that and maybe at the time they had a perspective that's different than the perspective that they have now is evolution. I want everybody to have. I want them to have a clean slate biden and there now i think clean slate forget about. Let's see what can happen when they can do. Best for the people they put into office all the cabinet. Schema chance we want them to do. Well this is what was so fucked up about trump being an office. I mean well. Exactly so many people hated him. They really would rather the country do bad for him because the country was killing it under him. He's like look at on the best. I told you that everybody's like fuck it. Least maybe please even trump supporters going in this one with a different attitude. Let's let's all together. Say we want the best for america. What's what's done is done. The election's over. Maybe you were a tulsi gabbard. Fan like myself. Maybe like bernie sanders like myself. Maybe you like fucking jammed. yang yang love yang. I love andrea. He's he's an awesome. God i love a lot of his ideas but for now we know where this with biden harris. Let's goods and fucking trump. Trump trump got different level trumpers. There's people that think there's a mad as a month don't wanna hear shit son. Part of the problem is he's telling them that it's a rigged election. He's talent but part of the problem is all elections. Have some corruption. they just fucking do. They've been around for enough for you to say when you leave. I don't think there's he keeps his secrets. This shit joe. Well mike baker who used to be in the cia was on mike. Baker baker mice resumes mike baker and he came on. The podcast recently was telling me that even if they did overturn it even if they did rather like find corruption the amount of you're talking about in most states. It's not enough not nearly enough but it would have to be crazy. Corrupt like he's these five or six people breath that's the pettis now. No it's not five or six people. I'm and i think it's covered two different things today in. I wanna say it's michigan where they found a a memory card that had a more votes for trump than biden. But it still close it was like one thousand for biden one thousand a few hundred for trump like four five hundred for trump to get the memory card from. I do not know come on. I think there's a of any memory card so motherfuckers gone. Who's counting votes. Got the memory card from the machine. Who told you that story. This is in the news. West news outlet. It was in three or four different ones. That i say same will. They all said that there was a memory card that was discovered and they showed the counts in the memory card but they've also found like other ballots that didn't get county. This is a lot of disarray. You're dealing with human beings that are counting millions of billions counting a lot of them just paper. They're getting mail and their opening it up and they have to find out. I don't understand this understand. Joe this was so funny. It kind of backfired right that the mail in votes is what killed trump. That's what they're saying. Yeah for the most part and finding about trump has the type of following that he literally tell him and do anything. They're going to do it. He told me not to milan. Yeah where he wanted to make a point come in person. Well this is the joe as question how you made that point understanding that point where you're not in the middle of a fucking pandemic. You know what i'm saying like that. That would have been a great argument and sixteen especially for old folks for anybody that wants to participate but the only thing they were stop them is if they're gonna go outside and risk their lives so you're not thinking to give that person opportunity to be a part of it. Yeah and that's the part that kind of fucked it up. Well i don't know if he he definitely wanted people vote in person but did he ever encourage people to vote by males. Well or was he was always saying that. Mail fraud son right hoche. It was crowds unlike duck. Somebody's secret service secret. Geldart mother joe. Somebody tells us motherfucker that the corona is out here. He caught it. He knows it was out there disney record. It gave all the secret service. Give a secret service. Because they see serves they got to keep it a secret. I'm sure they're young and healthy to. They probably shook it off. Pretty easy decided that people don't know probably got the same medicine he got. You know the medicine is probably a lot of this is called your immune system being up to par as much as like everybody's talking about this is the lazy route. No one wants to say this is a little bit of that but they also gave him a bunch of experimental shit. They gave him these This antibiotic antibody blood transfusion. Medication gave him What was it called regeneron. Is that what it's called jamie. The gave him Some other. I don't know if it's experimental or research recently been released. The gave him that that medication they gave him a steroid. They gave him a bunch of different things all want so he got a cocktail. Shed made him feel great. Not only. that's how much is that cocktail. That's not an easy challenge. Some cheap and he wants that to be able to be given to everybody. But i don't know if that's feasible at the moment let's to the money. Well it's not just to make the money just to make the doses like say if they have all that medication and all the all that blood antibody medication and all this different stuff. They're going to give him the steroids to make that for three hundred million people. That's so many people so everybody gets sick. You have a dose if we have one dose for every human being in this country even if you have one does for have you could get it done of your money as right off you. You'd need three hundred million vials of this shit. That's so much you're not going to need all of those probably more than that. Because we wouldn't even they wouldn't even make that number for every for everybody get one. They will make that number. It's gotta be. That number is going to be broken down by okay. What's the criteria to get this. You know what. I'm saying. It'd be how many people do we really want to get it to because how many people are going to be sick at anyone given time. It's probably never going to be more than twenty five percent of the population even if it's high but even if it comes out mother motherfuckers i'm telling you to serve motherfuckers of not taking that vaccine for whatever reason muniz that nixon fuck with novak say to. It's like i fall so you need a third. What no black versus going to take. I think there's a lot of people that are not going to take what they think is herd immunity once we get to fifty percent of the people that took it. The virus will probably die off. I think it's going to be in that neighborhood of fifty percent of the people that had it if they if if either fifty percent of the people either have had covid or how the vaccine for covid they think we can hit her immunity in a mostly die off but it can always kick back in again. That's what they're worried about it and it's going to be like the common cold or the flu a vaccine. Yeah you're sure if it works. Yeah if it's been proven that it works. And i talked to explain what the scientists and how it works and then i talked to people that have taken it and they say you know what the side effects are With the covid vaccine. I think the side effects. Are you feel like shit for a couple days. Who can't deal with film. I sit for you need. You can't lose two days. Yeah yeah. I would definitely do it if i thought it was safe. I don't know enough about it right now to say that i think i mean one of the things that nicholas kristof was talking about. Yesterday he was talking about the potential dangers. So the vaccine. And i appreciate that brought that up because it's such a sensitive area for people they think that if you think there's a danger in income vaccine or some sort of anti vaccine now there's a potential danger of any medication when you're dealing with mass numbers of human beings if you have three hundred million people and you give them aspirin one. What percentage but some people are going to die from aspirin or they're gonna get really sick from aspirin this the same with everything else substances. You put in people's bodies everybody reacts differently. People die from fucking brazil nuts. You know there's some way some of these home remedies shit man home remedies coup for some people but eventually man. You have to talk to somebody. Yeah for sure. If your if you've got a real disease you know the people that want to cure cancer by not going to a doctor. Whoa they can fix it now. There's a lot of cancers not all of them of course but there's a lot of your way better off having cancer now with modern medicine than you're having fifteen twenty years ago remedy shit like the best remedy for all this besides the medicine if you actually get sick so fucking take care of yourself. But that's what. I'm hoping people get out of this area this up. I don't understand time. I don't understand how you ignore this because it's convenient as you're not sick you don't think you're gonna get sick. Stay home if you don't have to go anywhere you to stay home and a lot of people just they just stop exercising. They stop eating well to stop drinking water and they fucked her body up and then if something does you don't realize how much of a difference it makes and being healthy and not being healthy when something hits you a virus hits hits you you see when when i got shot sunday go. I had to get the had to get the fucking on anti biotic. So you guys get ivy's all the time you're always doing vitamin i vs on tour vital flow vitam company. That's such a good move. It is when we did that. The for that was the first time i've ever done that. Well really vitamin ivy. Yeah i'm baby. I'd done your heart's everything open. You is like gimme me one right here. As she got shot my ass. And i saw. I was right there. I'm like i'll bigoted this shit across three stomach. Our his as out was like. I'm not scared. I know you're y y yeah well. The glutathione was amazing That stuff is great of the vitamin drip amazing. We started getting them every week. we have. we've slacked off though once we got here to texas. We haven't been doing it in texas and that motherfucker. I'm telling you about when. I did yellow springs this summer. That was probably one of the things that Made that experience. So amazing is that we were living in our own bubble unplanned by our own rules and everybody was having a good time and it was all productive. You know you know. Work put on a lot of shows adult summer camps now there was like two shows a one thing but the thing that was great for me was just the whole sense of community. You know what i'm saying like we we have potlucks shit and then i will have all the housewives of yells breeze like. Don't fuck is out there. Don't motherfucker yellow spree chicks wives. They won't get upset with either but a casserole dish son like they was looking for a rachel ray casual ahead for like a week. They were stalking where i was living in everything but the sense of community man is like in a one coffee shop. Dino's everybody go. There is one grocery store is just one of everything that's nice and it was so simple. Well that's better really than this. This is real good things about cities but the thing that's missing is that camaraderie that sense of community nature. Yeah city slickers videos that you and the river. You guys joe joe. It was the whitest greatest adventure of the summer. I became the river. Nigga original. I'll tell you the truth. You're listening so peaceful i am at peace. Listen joe i. I would say the the quote there forever. Mood river bishops. Love the river ninja. They love me out the earthy bitches got rocks. I'll tell vicious farmers market bitches. Like i understand what you're saying. Love me like women would rescue dogs rate picture. Man jamie gap piece. I was an hours of ribbon. I had changed the name that picture framed. I need that picture. Let's let's get that picture printed on on steel. Who took the photograph. Federico federico yeah whereas various get a hold of photo rico. We need that picture in the studio. He's such a talented puckett producer. And everything but that'd be a great picture framing here. I fell in love joe people. It's river like furniture. Are you gonna let me describe me. Yeah i name came up with joe naked right. I liked it for the streets right. But people's like i don't know if we can put that on t shirts. They're looking from a market brandon employees. Right and i was like okay. Ninja you i. But he's inspired by the river nigga adnan just for tv. There's many layers to the store many last week. Do you fish a fish. Don't you go fishing at all when you guys were dining and get a chance to go fishing there but this was a river in georgia. Changes your mind right. Is everything changes your mind when you buy a waterfall. Like oh there's something about these natural things like mountain nature nature freeze shits. Yep it's good for you look at me you let me tell you. I know exactly. They said we ended up. When did i turn into a river. Nigga right they say when did that turn. When do i remember to change right. It was when that waterfall man. That's crazy l. Let me tell you the story so we were out there. Chapelle wife used to make these events and it's family walk down fuck that. I'm from the streets. I'm not all that stupid. Shit she always days like every day had got them adventure star. What's today you got to look at a little brochure. And then one day. She did one and was kayaking right. And i went on his kayak as patrick. He's in yellow springs. He's nails native. Whatever and we were going down the river mad river i had a he here a kayak we was smuggled to join and we just hear nature's i just straight nature right and then he said man you know just reminds me he said. This reminds me of when i was younger building. Ramps jumping ramps on my bike. Me a fish for crawdads with my dad elza negative. This reminds me of looking for my day. His doors just two stories were totally opposite. It represented one thing for him members. Yeah what was dead for me. It representative members didn't have my dad and memories. I wanted to create when my son. You don't stand when. I was out there joe. All things like i got this little month. Fuck into the river to the river. He's gotta be out. He's got friends idea and my son came out. There in the summer was beautiful but one thing was missing. No matter how you're celebrating life right. If you shannon what your family it feels weird. Yeah it's pills like oh man only knows it's fair for me to have as much fun in the although how great someone's going when he came out he was with me on river ship. Man it was like the best shit ever son. We skipped jamie. You not skip rocks force. do you not skip. Yeah it's in the risks right. I was in the boy scouts. Y'all don't say you. The boy scouts days they might play with your booty os ios a lot of. Don't tell me don't be proud of the boys. Pick another division not divorce go but we've never happened to my booty whole time out. What a bunch of criminals. That's what you do. The boys go skipping wraps like. Yeah yeah i didn't know it. was that much precision. It depends on the rock. You really want a nice flat raw. Nice flat rock. You can do some wild shit when we were going everyday to leave quietly. He thinks he's a revenue guit right. He told us one day. I can skip any rock type. He's said he's no matter. How big is skipped any rock. That doesn't seem likely. That's the fucking brooklyn cock innoc- had right. Yeah she's like. It was the next time we went. He wants to challenge me and rob skin again. This was pulling out of his shorts rock with already. He prepared joe. He'd have rocks. He came with all perfect flat river. Rocks that's crazy. He didn't bendel their world championship of rock skipping. It seems like people would take it super seriously. I think it. Would i think something to think. I'm pretty sure it's done somewhere. Thought about it to this moment. But there's gotta be a competition rock skipping competition and they got groupie bitches like the girls who it's off season for bowling to go after rock skippers. We are at a ten skipper last week. Skipper could get you a blow job. So that's been so if you're looking for walk do a tin skipper. You know what what is right. I do who educated you too. Because i don't think no disrespect to your hip hop whatever someone introduce you to walk. I dunno might have been jamming. Was it you could be. Because of the ben shapiro video. That's right that's right that's right. Yeah 'cause ben shapiro. Ben shapiro was like you know people cell phone. They don't realize herself owning. When you know the songs about what ask pussies like well. That sounds like a kind of collage condition. People like what. But that's not the point. The point is but i understand that there. That's an that's honestly there's point doesn't abnormal amount of moisture. Yes tech able to come up with a whole song about it. It's like it's a level. What do you think would happen. If you came out with a song called heart ask dick. I wanna do. It would not be received that well as with as minimal controversy as what songs gotta be answers right answer to a software pussies cairn show at a song. You can't change a man right And i flipped it in did a song. You can't raise a bit. You can't save a bitch that was saw can't save a bit. Do you remember when these songs and then they would have answer songs and the like. There's been a bunch of those right where they would. Someone would have a song and then someone like some would have a response. Song to that comes. Scrubs scrubs was then they had another one it was. I can't remember. But i know. Just listen. i saw you standing in the rain. Wasn't there one of those orange juice jones so when they're an answer any orange juice jones if i know any as today just immediately told how to know or did you jones how cool he was orange. She's shown the shed. That song was the best at a time that was original kind of song did nevertheless on the told the whole story of getting done wrong like that especially didn't tell it in the rain right like everybody knows that story but you follow this couple in the rain and then at the end when the chunk. Yeah that's a gal. Bits cannot here and credit cards and everything. Yeah that was made people. I came over here. I'm not selling ship joe. Got more stuff. You've never heard this right member. My black ash right. Yes thank you we We kept the other one in california because we weren't sure if we're going to be going back and forth. Yeah you got that. We'll look at this one right here. There's some holes in his house candidates for holiday toes not like h o e. There's some hose in this house candle. That's a look at this window. Joe because i fell in love with yellow spring. That's one of my top sellers yellow spring candle from the streets. To the creeks from the who into the woods from horse to ores from adidas. I got a whole store book and this was the white chicks out there. 'cause i got a lot of white bitches updated okay. Karen kandel name was karen refined for like thirty years. There's more deaths a. He'll turn into the home shopping network. That's what i wanted to voice over the same time at the same time. I opened up a online store. And doing well okay. You have a website that we could just put up screens to deliver these objects out one after another. Joe you know listen a little thing you scam with the phone. You call them. I don't call it objects products. Give me my candle back. But is it not a product. If you don't want them joke do you gonna use them. I'll definitely use them. I like candles. Those are good to soy to their soy. Yeah their hand point in the. Us them back. And i don't do anything with soy is a candle man. Don't disrespect that people what get mad at. Soy soy is like a political fruit or vegetables it. Yeah yeah yeah people call your soy. If you're a republican people call week men soy boys. That's a it's an insult. I never knew that. Soy is one of the rare foods. It's actually attached to being a bitch. That's a pussy food. Yeah like if you're if you're a guy was really in the soy and this is not my perspective this is just i just think it's a fucking it's plant doesn't matter to me isn't that mommy isn't that soy like when you have a at a japanese restaurant isn't it sort. Yes yeah isn't that isn't the case jimmy. The first time. I ever tried a mommy. I was so ghetto. The whole thing and i was i was like mud throw was killing me. So partisan outside. I didn't know about salt and everything in the al jesse. Saw some seats of just a mommy. It takes away from it. You wouldn't even want it. It's the whole process. The whole process of rippin asleep. Eta means our whole immature soybean sometimes referred to as vegetable vegetable type soybeans their green and different color regular soybeans which are typically light brown tan or asia. So it's the soy. I like it a moment. I don't mind soy but a lot of people think of soy as being a bitch food. I'd never knew that that it was a healthy. I mean i knew that is not the most masculine food it was like you. Step your game up. Were you into the eta. Mommy lane it's like. Oh shit motherfucker. Eat at a mommy now. There's a reason. I think soy lowers your testosterone all. Yeah yeah we can produce. Estrogen like activity in the body mimicking the effects of natural estrogen. Yeah but i think you titties office. Oy not quite but in my family is you might femininos you. Fuck slants affect your your hormone production. Do you know. They actually develop testosterone like synthetic testosterone for wild yams like plants from wild. Yeah that's how they that's how they develop some artificial testosterone or executive tests. That will be part of the whole silence on blue pill era. That's a different thing though. That's just blood flow. that's nitrous oxide. So why nobody promoting while oxide nitrous What does it what does it nitric nitric oxide. That's like a. No explode all those pump things you do when you wanna get jacked weights. Lot of those those supplements they mimic the same sort of effect just not the same degree as like finance right like at like viagra and silas and shit like that. But they don't they don't make you have more testosterone. What these like soybeans. And i think really for affect your hormones. I think it's just like it can. It's a it's a possibility like chemically but in order to actually do it. I think you'd have to eat some fucking preposterous number of soybeans. I don't think it's like no. I don't think it's really has to worry about. But i think it's just a stereotype. I didn't even know that the thing for me. I didn't even notice stereotype. The car toys. I didn't know that. I thought it was like a like you. You're evolving a foodie. Like the first time. I i was like oh shit. Y'all don't know about the the mommies. Because i was introduced somebody else too but i didn't know that it symbolized been a pussy. It doesn't it's silly people silly to taste good. They do it right. Put a little chili powder and salt on the outside. I like to see so. I like tesol to. I'm working at a stadium. Joe are you really doing rfk stadium. Where's that in washington. Dc when doing that. thanksgiving weekend. Oh shit it's not the state of his departure lot outdoor show. I'm doing outdoor show. Just like the ones that birt's been doing not at that level. I talked to bert about that. The per shallow to the catbird is the guy who started off. People aren't giving him enough credit. He's the these. og of drive shows. Yes but if it right into his whole shit he never stopped. Torn burke toward through the entire pandemic doing drive throughs and i was sending. My drive is dislike throwback thursday whatever he was like this and then the name of what would this summer. What was the name of the two of the hot summer tour. I'm like this motherfucker. But he created the bubble. He fucking did. It created a bubble stay drunk entire summer and enjoyed it. Good time i don. Rfk stadium original stadium for the for the washington redskins. The washington redskins to beautiful. But for nine years. That was my a traditional show at dc. Improv i will do thanksgiving weekend and it was a good time for me because i got to see my family. I got to work. That's a great club too so great to seek that one of the ten greatest clubs in the country and it's been probably the most consistent for twenty five years so good it's just the perfect size perfect everything about it's perfect and i get every year saw it is. I don't even know the comic can do bad in terms of ticket sales there. Everybody seems to do well. At least the law neighbor they have they book good line-ups like when it clubs got that much prestige. They've been around that. There's certain clubs like comedy works where people just trust them. You know there's a bunch of helium in philly. Just trust them. There's going to be a good show. They're not going to scrubs. And that's that's how the dc improv felt like that. They've developed community a real for for nine years. I saw my son from administration. Took them up. It was just him in my arms and then the next time he was kind of like crawling next time he was walking then he walked his head like four years of pitches of his growth there and then because of the pandemic put the weekend was like damn dead blows a tradition. Now and then pip. They made a pivot from the dc improv. To partnering up with tc pull up. Whatever it is and it dawned fucking outside. She s beautiful. I like the people are adapting this one of the things that you're saying like you start. This business and bert started doing things. Outside and thompson girls doing like these pay per view shows thompson. Gura and bert kreischer doing these. And and sometimes christina. They switch back and forth. Doing these crazy live show. I saw the shit that he sends me. I mean i'll show to show the things that they can see during these live shows it's one hundred percent uncensored pay per view so they don't have to worry about youtube they don't have to worry about whatever they are showing the most fucked up videos i've ever seen in my life in my life really in my life like he. He sent me three things yesterday. That changed my idea of what's possible. Oh my god. I do wanna his show yeah. I would certainly do it if we were in town together. And he's you know. Tom's talking about moving here. If you move everybody. Nick is moving out here. Got the whole squad coming back here. We're gonna open up a club here. I'm downside come on down. It's better here. you don't have to pay taxes for state. People nicer said streets. They said joe his stupid signed. Said i'm gonna fuck a bata. Here's Well i think writing on the wall. They're not gonna open up the clubs if you don't have a comedy club open. I if if if the comedy store was opened it would be no reason for me to leave. No but did it. They'll say the same on the flip of that Just because it's not open. It's not no reason for you to be integrate beata you can create. It was the only time. I could create it though is an absence of the club. See because i wouldn't ask people. Hey leave l. a. The comedy stores hopping and killing. Come to come to austin but when you can't open they can't they're not allowing them to open and it could be years who the fuck knows now right here. We are now eight months in no one ever. We thought it was two weeks but jimbo thought it was two weeks so but then again even moving forward jo. We got to remove the possibility of something taking you gotta remove yourself from the possibility of somebody tickets. Something away from you and like the way you're thinking and the way dave has thought throughout this summer's that was like y'all we really can make this well. Also we were saying before that we were all connected to hollywood because we thought we needed hollywood in order to get us on television or pay our bills we needed to get hired and then once podcast came along. I think people realize no. You don't use need your friends and you have a bunch of friends and everybody's tight and everybody tells people hey go see. You know theo. Vaughn's at this place. Go see this guy. Go see that guy and we all get along together. We don't need the toughest part. Would i notice in this. Podcast were which is predominantly white destitute of it. You know what i'm saying is like there's a lot more white podcasts. When it comes when you say like the friendship part and making money they really about their life. They really do it. Yeah they really do it. They don't talk about it. Everyone guys did. I've done you know from the lia. From bobby from the whole crew is never know all man. It's like everybody. How does everybody everybody's friendly and there's only a few people in the podcast world. That don't have friends that weirdos. They're out in out in the fringes. Are those poor people. They they a lot of people go into things with like a legacy attitude and the legacy attitude that you know from radio was competing against the other people are doing the same thing but the podcast world is not like that but some people are like that like some people will complain if a guest is on this podcast. And then on their podcast. They'll complain what you were. Just on that podcast. Now it's gonna take away from people listening to me talk about your life. I'm like bigger. Every podcasts are going. It's talking about something else and not only that but if you to and they like you if you wanna podcast and they like you and i hear now you're going to go on bobby's podcasts. I'm gonna watch you on that podcast to right because it's not like i'm to like do one podcast and now i'm out of time time you're going to have another week is going to go by what you want to listen to. And then more people are going to listen to you on. Bobby's if they heard you want somebody else's and here's the thing. Joe if you're interested enough from other for just one listened to you. That's it if you could do the toughest part this week. Literally is i think. The anniversary of the first time i've ever was on this show really. I think it's this week. Tennis charging i heard those fingers multiple disciplines right in my face. I'll be trying to It is right. Yeah i guess was the was that before that right february nineteenth before that one that before that was know what we talked about the risen shit year ago this november twelve. So you've been on long. Yeah but i'm just saying. Oh yes yes so. I know you guys want to break down. The story is not that sentimental. But i would just say i remember the. Yeah now i get it and it's been like it's been i've been doing it for years and it's been it's been interesting happens right. It gets picks up. Steam picks up momentum. I see on your instagram stores. Putting on your instagram of the you're putting clips up little assets excited joe. You like everything you said. It was like once. I got into mode like this. Have to be the greatest episode. I'm like wait a minute. And i'll start looking at the numbers of the most successful people in the pockets. Where episode one thousand five hundred for like. Yeah this is the thirtieth episode anniversary. Serie goggin tells everybody used to be fat. I tell everybody go to episode one fucking terrible. It's terrible we. We didn't even think it was a podcast where we were doing it with Answering questions of a twitter and and being stupid while we're high no one thought it was ever going to be something that millions of people. Listen to when we started it out. It wasn't there was no expectations now. People have expectations wanna know you realize like how much money in it you see all these people that big deals you see all these people that are number one on i tunes and number two on fucking spotify and you go fuck because there's a lot going on. This is a whole network that you don't need a lot to get into man of the one thing you have to do. And i kept tricking myself. We talked about it was talking. Can you talk to is ridiculous that you don't think that you can talk to one of the most funny things i've ever heard. I mean with no response just like talking to myself. You know what. I'm saying. It's like you know i got a better chance of making thousands of people left and one person true you know. But it's been a. It's been a great ride man but do dairy over the julius. You know who the best at just talking bill. Burr that motherfucker. Just he never has a dead moment he will start on the subject and like you know and then you know what they wanna fuck do and us to our later. He was one of the guys that had it. I was like what would your style be bored. Like i just like i don't wanna fucking talk to nobody. I just wanted to say what. I wanna fuck fucking say fuck you and then the monday rant or something. Got monday morning podcasts. Monday motor parts and it was just like this motherfucker can talk shit for whatever whatever it's like a dude it goes. Eight wins all a bar fight conversations and it's the perfect platform for oh for bill. It's the perfect platform. One of the things he used to do is he used to use his cell phone. And this is when god. The early days of the monday morning podcasts. I dunno. I bet you had to be around. Two thousand six seven eight sewing around there could be. I don't remember but what i do. Remember is that he. He did a bunch of where he like left voicemails so he would call himself or call a service in leyva voicemail. Really so he'd be sitting there at the airport talking shit about some dudes haircut. Oh yeah i remember those and then he had some it just just him really ran. The audio quality was fucking because he was literally talking into an old phone at the airport and then leaving a message. Somewhere and that message became the podcast. And you know what. It was hilarious. It didn't even matter. Quality sound idea was funny. Like when i told you that time when jamie was supposed to help me produce. He fucking reneged on me right right. He got real mad at me. Whatever i remember it's like it was yesterday i understand. I don't know how those two are connected. But but bill burr. When i started out like that was literally the perfect platform for him in podcasting. He's good at interviewing people. I've been on a show before other people did on his show before he'll he'll sit and talk to people he's finding it but as far as like ranting he's the best dramatic come from an angry place. Yeah but he's also been doing it the longest. You've got to think how many fucking years he's been doing that. podcast where he just. That muscle is flexed. That muscle is tight. He doesn't need like you could form an opinion but he doesn't need to response. Most people right need to response feedback. How how else do you know if you're doing. Good or not yeah. He doesn't think about that. He's like and another thing. I was watching. Seth meyer the other night and it was a he was doing his monologue. Whatever it was going. Okay and then Some people in the background would laugh. And you could just see the posture in everything changed. Once he got a couple of people laughing it was like heard his netflix specials. Good yeah i saw on it and it did not look bad. It did not look bad. When did this is this recent. Because i knew he had one. I want to say his netflix special was least a year ago because his pre pandemic for sure and soon and i saw some clips and i was like this is good delivery riding and i'm not. I don't know that. Seth meyers like really had a long background standup. Did he know he had doing that. Show doing the manuel show i most. That was very good solid jersey. Jamie it's taboo. Jesus that's not a good time to be confident. It was a very good into what. I saw the clips. I didn't watch the whole thing but most of the guys him to snl But you know some people that have done talk shows and then tried to do a standup special. And they don't really have the chops for it but that didn't seem like that with him yeah. He seemed very relaxed. I was for well. He probably probably did the right thing to. You probably hired a bunch of writers. I didn't see all of it. Maybe the part that i saw was the only funny thing. I really have no idea but a lot of those guys i guess when they like when i guess to be buried into shallow that it's time to go out and work out. No it's hard and worked But if you could do it like jimmy kimmel to stand up for sure. Hundred percent jimmy. Kimmel wisely stand up one hundred percent he could do about jim carey. Snl by. i didn't watch to none of it. Nope now one piece of the peace dam son should to do. If i'm gonna watch something. Generally when i get home i like to watch like things that have nothing to do. What's going on right now by the end of the day. I don't like documentaries new netflix special. Lets us skip the trump jokes. There's a button you could get job. Jobs the sean netflix. She could saw the chunk of stuff but this talking to people so he's interviewing people. This is just interview about it. Oh interview about it okay. That's funny yeah. Well that's a good move because people are tired of trump jokes. You know it's enough already man. I've been tired of him. And i'm like coming around for them to be frustrated to be frustrated when a dude is on his way out. You know it don't make no sense. It's like he is still getting to us. You know it just a matter of time. If you wanna say the people the voice of the peoples with heard it was a close situation but it is what it is and he's gone. Why are you still mad. People have some legitimate gripes. I understand where they're coming from but my perspective is it's not changing anything and it's not doing you any good to still be holding on your if you were anti-trump biden's seat i don't think it's ninety nine percent official right. They just haven't said it yet. And they when they say it then he will be become president and then kamala harris will be the new vice-president so concentrate on good. Now it's over right but people are so obsessed. I read the fucking other. There might have said his earlier. Look at mike pence. And i'm having a meeting with no mess man. Ok'd while you still keep getting mad. It's fucking mask going is got to be something else. Talk about something. They talk about negative things. That's the thing. Some people get addicted to talk about negative things and they can't regroup even after victory and now focus on positive things to want to continue to negative things and i could see their perspective too especially with all these crazy tweets. I won that election. You know it's all fraud it's all this is all that like man if you've got some real claims not i don't know what the claims are really honestly investigated but if you've got real claims you got to present the evidence and then once you present the evidence you say all the stuff like i got robbed i really want it if you wanna be in a position where you're respected right if you're the president of the united states this isn't a regular. It's not like if you were involved in some ridiculous like small neighborhood election and you were joking around on twitter. I won that fucking election. That's that's that's to be expected but when someone is in a position where in charge of the nuclear football clean. Centrally are the commander in chief of the greatest army. The world motherfucker saying shit like that and firing people. That don't agree. Pharma firm up like these other places like what this would be a great time for a fucking terrorist attack right now. One of the guys he fired with the guy said was he didn't believe there was widespread voter fraud. He's like you're fired if you don't believe that you're fired. Just this is a madman to interested in part for me is like you trying to switch the thoughts of a person that is a huge trump is a waste of time. Waste going to be only going to be as frustrated see. Here's the thing though. I don't know and this is where it's really important. I don't know exactly how the election went down in terms of like. Was there like zero point. Zero one percent fraud with was there a zero point. Five percent for how much fraud was there. We gotta assume the when there's people counting stuff to some fucker going on. Yeah but the fugger has been reported. Its bid light still no more people and then the only other problem is that it's all done through these machines right and then there's been all these conspiracy theories about machines that were supposed to have been giving the votes to trump gave those boats to biden. Now i can repeat those things. But i don't know if they're true but i do know i'm saying i do know as i know georgia. I know the mother fuckers pulled all influence up to the bill and they cut him open in a took a man behind. They did him hand by hand out those those ones that were council. Whatever those you can't is no machine is hand by hand right. It's fucking probably. How does that work. They someone watch while they do it like do they have super 'cause i would imagine you would want to have almost like two people watch. What one person does it which is so ridiculous but it seems like he kinda just have someone watching it. That's part of the argument that trump's administration was saying was that there were certain counts that they weren't allowed to observe. They had to be really far away and they couldn't actually see that. Sounds like people like soybeans. But that's a that's a soy and a two but would a for telling the truth. Here's the thing i don't know and you don't know either. So if they were telling the truth and people were counting votes incorrectly or they find no evidence of that every time. They have either every time that they came out with all these losses in the dropping him. Drop because there's no evidence of he's probably made he's he's had to have made every argument he can make no listen. I agree with you. I agree with you. There's no evidence that they can present. That's gonna show people right. Now that there was so much voter fraud that they've got a return everything start all over or they've got to give it to trump. I agree with you. I think this is what all these experts are saying. They're all saying that even if there was voter fraud it wasn't enough to tilt the election one way or another but i don't know how machines work so if i'm even commenting on if i'm saying they couldn't have done it. That's ridiculous. i'm saying they must have done it. That's just as ridiculous. I really don't know that's like what you're talking about voting. You're talking about how many millions of people are voting and all this information is coming in and they got to sort it out. You're gonna have some mistakes. There's no way around it but the question is does it overall balance out or other mistakes offer one side. If you find out that mistakes offer biden then you're gonna go really well who who owns the company that makes the machines and then who are they financed who programmed that and how they programmed. Is it possible to fuck with the data. It is possible. Can you show me how to do it. You can do you wish so. Everybody wants the know exactly what happened. I think but. I know a few people that know exactly what happened. I know i know the machines on his type ship when they take the machines away and they say okay we're counties and by hand the the results of that have to be official. Yeah well the machines but they was like these mellon motherfuckers was day. They had to fucking count every vote. Yeah it's a matter of how they're recording it right. You would wanna make sure that everybody recorded accurately. I don't know how they do it. But i would imagine that when when i was talking guy like mike baker. And who's saying that even if there was fraud. There's not enough fraud to overturn out. Imagine he knows some things. Yup i don't. i'm a moron. So we all do know we talk about. He wants she wanted. There's no way there was fraud was definitely fraud. Or i think trump won by a landslide. Like people get to get connected to get real connected to. Who's who's winning or losing this election. I get it miss. Donald trump's not going anywhere on tv. Bad i'm missing on. Tv this motherfucker tv persona. What sucks would sucks that. It's his tv persona is like he's a tv motherfucker sucks. It's even possible that someone could monkey with an a in a election to the point where you change the outcome. That sucks that. That's even thought that we could get into our head. That's one of the crazy. Things about people were so nuts but that was leaving aside like people that are good people will do some shady shit to have their candidate win. Yeah for sure that's politics. We're so crazy that's politics. Anything goes anything. Yeah so what. What bothers me and i do think that biden won the election and i do think that i mean. I think there's probably some shenanigans. But i think the result is most likely correct but it bothers me that even a question. It bothers me that anyone would ever think that anyone could. But i think that there's republicans the democrats could do it and i can just democrats and republicans can do it. And i think it's gonna be real hard to one hundred percent trust the election. That's one of the things that's kind of dangerous about someone going after it. This election is rigged elections rig when trump is doing that. He's encouraging maybe that's a good thing if they are rigged because maybe they're going to be able to figure out how to stop that from happening in the future or maybe it's gonna vote or maybe it's gonna road people's confidence in the elections and the more. He does the mortar roads dangerous. There's a real argument for that too. But again i don't know what the fuck i'm talking about man. It's just i know it's nuts. It's enough that you would. Anybody would ever think there'd be any voter fraud on either side but we know that people have done it like that's apparently how they got. Jfk in wasn't it like some crazy conspiracy about the mob rigged votes for jfk. And that's how he became. Wasn't that a thing. jamie. I've heard that ever been proven. I've heard talks about recent in such odds with each other that they would never have helped him. I think was really at odds with them afterwards. Because he didn't the the the thought was that was one of the reasons why he was assassinated that he kinda doubled back on his agreement with the mob. And i heard they were just helping local politicians streets of the president. His family were drug runners. The kennedys were moon shiners. They made their money selling bootleg liquor during during the time where it was illegal. They were basically drug dealers and then the became this gigantic political dynasty. They were trump not trump family. But they motherfucker they were more gangster than the trump family really. 'cause they're they're literal background was in drug running like bootleg liquor like rug running. Just don't think of it now because alcohol is legal there were runners and who had the shit we're and they were connected to the mob like you don't think they fucked with some numbers you don't you don't think there was some corruption. Who has the fucking money. I think there's an assumption to the both sides are going to try to do it. I mean that was why that was Watergate the results of this election man is going to be interesting to see can can can biden work with two parties both parties. I hope so. I hope they. I hope they prove like the polarization of people that are opposed to Trump being an office and now the not republicans and democrats. I hope they worked together. Yeah man that's what i hope. I hope that worked together. Could don't like a lot of time. You gotta get used to president. Common-law that's gotta get used to it man. I thought that's the position. I don't see how we can do. Eight years so would have long in four. I think four keep moving man who set up a set it on stage at. Let's get ready for your first black president because this is the setup for her. She certainly could win it. She she certainly could take over to if he dies. Or if if you can't medically continue anymore but his nothing you've got to think of. They're doing shit to people that they're doing. Some wild shit in terms of medicine and regenerative medicine stem cells and they just hook them up to stem cells every day shoe up with any d. and vitamin fees and steroids and growth hormone. You never know there might keep that motherfucker around for a long time. How joseph kennedy made his fortune hint. It was bootlegging. This wasn't bootlegging. It wasn't i can't see the end because the white shirt. According to the biographer. That is a rumor that started in the sixties and seventies when they're trying to figure out who killed jfk and maybe it was shot in that business. That sounds like the kennedy family is trying to cover up their dirty tracks it. It's a rumor the fuck outta here. Nobody has is a rumor about you bootlegging ever. I'm just i was looking at that to hire stock. That's that well maybe maybe bootleg to try another source. Let's see Joseph kennedy was a bootlegger type that in what well that story in the daily beast. That myth of joe. Kennedy's it isn't myth. I don't know where i would find the correct story to you know I know right like how do you know who's telling the truth. And whether or not it's a his big old historical cover up. Like if you were bootlegging how much information would there be about. You being a bootlegger unless you got arrested for it for me. I think cops would probably on bootlegging back then. Don't you think everybody they could make the honey was involved for everybody. What is my piece you prob- they probably were angry that the bars were closed to the they wanted a couple bottles. A couple out. Johnson you can do whatever you want to imagine. If that's how we live right now if booze was illegal imagine as much as people drink if you had a deal it all secret you had to like. Have a big do by the door yet. Have a password to get in. You always worried about getting rated by the cops. Just have a drink the bit. We'll do it. They did it. They did it for years. They made a crime. That's where like al capone made all of his money. That's that's that's the argument. That's going on right now with with the mexican cartels like the reason why they're able to make so much money is because all that stuff's illegal and they're in the united states so you play a stupid game you're pretending people aren't taking it when they are you making it illegal because you said they shouldn't do it but you want to control the want. Good just empowering organized crime and that's what. They did with organized crime in chicago as they did with organized crime and allow areas this country. They want us -sition people that they had influence over the beep beep politicians for sure. They had so much money and back then there was no nobody knew what was in your bank account where it came process. Shut that dang off sorry man to put it. Put show an airplane mode. What are you doing okay. Do you know how to shut off the ding. No come on messed up disrespecting. You've done it a few times. I don't understand why i keep saying one thing again. All right. i'm sorry man. Oh don don l. You can't say shit now you don't even know how to non-dane your phone shops. Just shut the fuck and ringer off. No you gotta flip it up towards you you. You're keeping it down. Which is off man. Okay it's ding from beyond the grave is down here. She's adorable man. what we're talking about. Do you remember jamie kennedy. Kennedy's being a bootlegger. Yeah i might be shit but we didn't know for sure did destroyed but it was like there was this a roommate. Started right for sure. There's a lot of organized. Crime money in fucking bootlegging. That's a fact on antibiotics. 'cause i got shot. Yeah you can't drink for how long but three more days refreshing though give your body a little bit of a break it is but it is it you looking for you know. Say like after a show right. Wow you know. I just got this people. That's been in the streets and got shot. Gotta get better you nervous for the country right now. Are you nervous about the future. No not at all no. I believe that we always gonna find solutions to stuff. The first thing like you mentioned about people who need to work the first thing that's going to happen is going to be some type of stimulus. Package approved. motherfuckers garfield somewhat security or a little better end. We have some money to be able to do something. But this is just something that this is. Just something de we're gonna get past. Just it's a matter of time and with a vaccine being onboard with them having more ways to test somebody in a faster man to don't cost as much i think is gonna change people's attitude the way they feel about certain things and things started turning around. I hope you're right. My concern really is about how hard it's going to be the turn around the economy with that many people out of work. That's what my my worry. Is that so. Many people are going to be broke and so many people are gonna lose their houses. So many people are gonna get evicted. I just don't know how they stopped that in. Turn that around when all these jobs are gone because all these businesses went under. That's what scares me. This wasn't anticipated that. I think there would have been another way to do it. You know certainly didn't lock down as much out here. Not nearly as much and then that's a good point because i'm like whatever you worked for whatever just be pulled from you just like that's the thing about like you can't say that the people that are upset today a boy's the can't say that they're all pussies because there's a lot of people that are upset through no fault of their own. They lost everything right. You could be the most disciplined guy in the world. You get up early every day. You work hard all day. You build a business and then all of a sudden covert comes around and you find out. Your margins are a lot smaller than you thought. Nobody expected it to go eight nine months. So you're not making any money for eight nine months and you can't reopen. There's a lot of businesses like that. A lot of enough bailouts to show. Many businesses is not enough. And they're not gonna give it to all they're not gonna give you all you lost. You're gonna lose a tremendous amount. No matter what what it was a lot of people get that money. That was bullshit. Boy got fucking scandal with them. Pba lows this shit man grabbed them. Bitches they'll find money then you gotta pay it back. I hope we figure out a way to make this make. This economy bounced back. But i say we. When i say we i meet people way smarter than me. I hope. I hope somebody figures it out album. My son had best life you. Yeah well i hope so too. You don't know saying like that is going to get. You're gonna just start. People can be concerned about. People are closer to them and their family. How does situations going. Yeah i mean. Everybody hopes that the next person that gets an office is gonna nail it. Everybody hopes the next person that gets off is gonna fix all our problems. We have changed the way we communicate with each other. That's a big. That's a big one everybody's locked in this trap of us versus them of red versus blue of like whatever the trap is like whatever your particular trap is there's men versus women traps. There's people get crazy with tribal and being on a fucking team. We're supposed to be one team. It's supposed to be united states of america if we differ on small things like immigration or things like financial issues or how to use Taxes and the most important thing is that we all want what's best for the country. I don't want the country to do wanna think people you have. That's the that's how you want people to feel. That's what drove me. The most crazy about trump being president. I felt like it was the first time i can ever remember where people wanted things to be bad so that he would be a bad president so that i mean i guess they probably did with obama to they want things to go bats. They could blame it on him like he would rather have something to blame on him then to have everything go well. If you ask the hard hardcore trumpeter would you rather this. Be a good question. Would you rather the economy become the greatest economy the world has ever known. And you'd be totally wrong and trump even though he he's a pussy grabber and he's full shit and he brags about himself became literally the best person to make the decisions that were the best for the country. Or would you rather the economy fall toilet and trump goes to jail. Jump coats jail. There's no no mmediately there would be no hesitation m. everything's fine. everything's fine. sounds like a relationship happy. You like fuck that. I don't want to be happy. They definitely didn't want him to do well. Which is weird like. They wanted him to get arrested in the economy to bounce back but never wanted to joe. They wanted To feel like you cared about them they wanted to feel like you kid about sanga somebody else other than your fan base. That was a big part of it. Man people in. I don't think people were just looking for reasons to hate on him. I know some people that like somebody beloved some people love the no nonsense fucking people love guy came along and said fuck you too politically correct shed too. There's a lot the people liked about. People like the idea that he got fucked over this election to they like the idea that the deep state was involved in that people were written voting machines and miscounted votes and people love those stories. I do not know if those stories are true. I don't give a fuck about those stores. There there are a bummer though. It's a bummer. That there's those stories this would be the ideal scenario. Whoever won one if it's biden and kamala they win and then that's it that transfer of power shake of hands. People do what they've always done with obama. Do don't wanna do that side. They don't wanna do that. That's so you'll want to stay above the secrets. You don't give up the keys. He's got to give up the car and he's got to do it especially if he wants to run again. Trump wants to do it again. One more time and twenty twenty four but the only wage. He's going to be able to do that. He's got to be able to sit down and shake biden's hand and say i'll see in four years bitch is gonna be. You said that you can't just keep saying that. The voting is one hundred percent rigged and i won this election by a lot. And all. that's fucking dangerous because it's just dangerous for our confidence. It's dangerous talking about rise up you're going to. It's going to be something something to don't say that. Here's the thing. I you gotta show the evidence. I you gotta show the evidence. I d to be like you have to compile all that evidence if there really is that evidence you gotta compile it all in present in a very solid way down. Yeah it's not. I mean it's above our pay grade. Dc even understand national politics on that scale. But i think that As a country. I think you and i both know that this country is this is like never been in a position where you don't know what the hell's going to happen you never know like with you. Never know there's so much turmoil and weirdness and you never know what isn't going to be another wave of this pandemic are they gonna shut everything down again. Whatever whatever happened then we go with what has become a new norm. We go back to that. You know what. I'm saying like things about shifts shift. Brad springer's summit. These can be totally different place in regard to how people feel about being in public again. They're going to have this. They're going to come up with some super rapid testing situation. That's gonna make fucking essential workers people in medical feel more comfortable. They gonna make other people feel comfortable and eventually like people going to make decisions on. What am i gonna do to to live. I hope the vaccine and you know that. The elections resolved quickly jamie. If you had to guess if you know. I know but i mean let them let trump say it's result if you had to guess what percentage of election fraud you think there was take. Guess it's not zero right probably not zero but like one two percent like the normal polled one percent. That's a lot. But i mean there's one hundred fifty million votes. I don't think that's a lot. I don't think it's one. But i think it's i think there's some less than zero number or some more than zero number. Rather that is Voter fraud. I think any reasonable person one of points. Yeah it's not and who knows which way it goes. Because i bet there's voter fraud the other way to do. We're not hearing about that. Because biden one but if biden was like trump and he lost that race. Who knows he might. They might try to figure out a way that the republicans cheated. I don't know man. i'm gonna tell you. The chip is turned into comedies which turned into comedy. This just not quitting just kind of crazy. No it's every day tweet that even crazy it's entertaining and training. I know it's unfortunate for entertainment but it's entertaining. I get that it's but it makes me nervous. It makes me nervous when you start thinking that there's people out there that think that That there's been a coup right or that trump is attempting a coup. There's two different schools of thought. One school thought the deep state took over the election. And they they rigged and the other school of thought is. This guy is trying to win even though we lost and he's trying to figure out a way to sue his way back into the white house and this is crazy so yeah so there's a that's the problem is that it is not easily win on one end. Because he's got the power of the people like again those him losing support he has. He knows that there's a community. He can be fucking still on his desk right now because he can shake some shit up said fuck hall of. Am i ever gonna get some help today. Have it at my house. you can't cook it though right. I can cook it to out how much time we have on the show. Yo l to the show's not enough for everybody. Just a sample. Yeah munches come on my house cook for you. What time do we have. I don't know we'll figure it out when we get out of here. Let's figured out off the air though but but two lesbian friends is supposed to meet me so they're not like no like nausea twelve regular lesbians. They my friends okay. That's cool there. Who do they think won by. What i what i said two lesbians lesbians were mexican. Eli who i fucking love. you don't lesbians trump. i bet there's a whole website. I what i never thought about that. I don't think it's to me lesbians for trump. i bet there's a few together and like yeah. You know people. I don't think that that's never that's never thought about you. Know what trump. Some people are really into anime. T shirt goes leads for trump. It's funny but you would assume that if someone's a lesbian that's where it was kinda getting that that you would instantly know who they're voting for. I mean i know. That's kinda profile. I was definitely short haircut. You know short haired fucking man. Cut out soup with the thai. Like how many girls with blue hair. Pink hair voted for trump. Is it less than zero. That's a stat. Yeah trump pride gave publicans on why they're backing the president. Because i get to dress up again having a good time. That's cool outfit. It's a such a weird time man. It's such a weird time. But i'm ready to get on the river bro. I get it. i'm really nature of nature. Do think you're gonna move there. Would you move there. I think so. It's a good place to be at the community. I mean it just like the sets a community man this summer and it was just so simple would you. Would you get rid of your place in la. Just settle down there. I could do. I could do it better for travel really if you wanna go left or right. You're more is a medal for everything man. I just want to be around some trees. I think that's one good thing about people that can escape from l. a. There's a lot of people that are escaping from new york as well and their move into the suburbs and they're they're liking it better more relaxed or get some space to people who are like instead of being in the chaos acting. Drive to the chaos. Yeah you know it was like fuck people from. Were not even drive now. You're working from home so you don't think it's gonna change. I think there's going to be a lot of companies that realize like. Hey i need this gigantic space to handle all these people. I can let people work from home. They're more productive because a lot of times people in offices they get together. They talk. They have fun. You know there's a fucking break room. I never was doing work all seem to grow. I seen dude's in cubicles doing this shit whether the cubicles here and they're both on the outside of just having a conversation and nowhere near their computer people do that all the time. If no one's watching people do that all the time in some jobs you don't get. Don't get personal scooting back from a cubicle. That's larry there's a lot of dudes that are working all all over the place that would be more productive if they just had a certain amount of work to do and they just get it done at home you know. Sometimes they want to patrol. I think it's just a lot of people that have jobs. You have to be there right auto mechanic. A lot of people fill in the blank carpenter. A lot of people have jobs got to be there. But there's certain jobs like why why you need. Why do you need to sit through an hour and fifteen minutes traffic when you could just do it through zoom and sitting here in a pair of shorts and a t-shirt shirt and get all your fucking work done like what why do you. Why do you need to go somewhere. You don't with computers today. You don't have to go anywhere. They just wanted to control the movement they just want to. It makes sense. And i think it's gonna go that everybody's like i'm working from home away from home and they're getting getting the job done. Yeah everything is different. A lot of people are going to be able to stay home. And so i think that's just going to change the nature of cities. In general less people are going to have to commute to them. But that's one probably good thing about this is that people are going to not have to commute as much. Maybe the roads won't be as jammed up if that that saves people so much fucking stress if you're a due to work in orange county and you live in l. a. And you gotta make that drive every morning. You see that fucking drive that tribes pain. I've come a job. I've been going the other way when you go. Orange county. la at seven. Am you wanna just fuck an end. it you just. You just can't do this every day but you can do it for a minute. Because that's route 'cause i my count is on an orange county and i did trump times count enjoy being up in the morning with it because i don't have to do every day if you had a job and you had to be a job at eight thirty in the morning every day and you live in orange county you gotta go to la. You gotta leave your house before seven. You're going to accept the fact that every morning there's a likelihood high likelihood is gonna take you hour and a half go to a one of. Oh yeah and you can wake up instead of waking up at six eight you wake up at eight. Have a cup of coffee. Sit down turn on your fucking computer. I get him drilling maggie einstein early. I'm not like the old. The o'donnell is gone. Joe i get it down near curled up. I'm just happy that there's alternatives for some people. Were they at least can work. They can't be in an office. at least they can do some stuff on zoom but for other people man. That's what that's what. I'm worried about worried about restarting. How does man. Don't joe joe. Joe joe johnson. Oh i know you worry about it and you have concerns. Everybody worried about him concerns. Vigils like this yo. What the fuck you're gonna do. You gotta figure it out. People are going to have to figure it out. Man is like understand you keep saying yeah man then. I feel sorry for them. Sorry eventually you're gonna have to figure it the fuck out eventually. Nobody's going to be able to help you. Nobody's going to be able to vouch for you and you gotta do it. Your fuck yourself. Dave david goggles said it and it goes back. Same point man. They're looking for as you are the answer. You got to excuse going in a bad one at the end of the day is the same fucking. Excuse i've said it before. And i know people. It was easy for you to say. It's not easy for anybody to say whatever's going to happen for is not easy for anybody. Say everybody's gonna have the opinion of it. Everybody's gonna be on. The opinion of will give him a chance. Maybe he could bring the world together is going to be a lot of trump. Like you'll fuck you aso. There has been no supporter. that's been angered in trump supporter to the extent that they're sore winners sore. Losers you gotta pick a sore. You can't just take both source. You'd see the thing is they think they got robbed. That's why his tweets are dana. And even if you do joe if you do have you feel this. Departs fucked up this mark this apart as sitting there for probably not anymore. What was i saying. This is the part that's fucked up about being sore. Winners sore losers. You've got to pick a sore. You gotta pick a sore and everything is not gonna always go your way but you don't have to be upset about the thing is old what he's saying to them is. It was a robbery so he thinks it's a robbery man. It's definitely starting shit. That's got it all right there. You gotta be extra strongman. This is dirty working tepa coffee coffee coffee warm after so yard everything is like a workout. What's that does he wanna come in. Who dave's out there that going gonna come in is tell me come on. Come cam for him. He was waiting on but he gets tested every day. Doesn't he just jumped up. Have you ever seen a baby dog. Little tiny little dog. I've never seen a tiny little dog. One wasn't quite reasonable. I've seen little dogs. That just never seen one in the baby form. Let's happening was sitting right here in our look. Sir got smoking on those ships shop commodity the whole surges. I don't know how many microphones fortunately the joining us now is mayor. One is semi legal here. Better semi-criminal gets my back is zero Is there any coffee. Yeah this is. Coughing doing bro. Living the dream house awesome and treating you greatly tonight's the at stumps stubb's barbecue the guy from the barbecue sauce. So he has a like a stage is outdoor event. You know joe you will love display. Notice was somewhere else. I went to the vulcan gas company. That's the only place i've been in town. Michelle is oh. That's great coming. Yeah 'cause cap. He's gone so people doing shows anywhere they can. Are you gonna. are you going to buy club you. yes you get to. Yes abc first gig all right. You heard it here folks. we'll go. I felt like. I have to like as soon as cap city went under. Oh shit oh now. I have to. But i don't know what's gonna happen after biden gets into office with. There's going to be another lockdown like a national lockdown for a while. So i'll wait until after that blows over. Yeah i just keep moving forward. That's you know what. I mean like everything that i've seen you do moving to austin and it's gangs is correct. Thanks we find a way. Yeah we find a way. We were just talking about that. People find a way i was saying. Like what are people gonna. Do you know with restarting the economy. And you know the trying to get a job when all these businesses went under like how does everything and don. I was just saying that we have to figure it out. that's true. I'm far from an economist. But i will say that the plan for your future is a good thing. It's everything even even though it's uncertain you have to remember. The sun does rise every morning. Yeah so just keep moving and people that are in this shit right now never thought that it was going to happen now that they know that this is a possibility now. We have to plan for the future for the future. I've never seen this before. Never you never seen something as large as the american economy. Stop and then start back up. But it's a global phenomena. I is not like it's just happening to us. We're just hammering it terribly handle though i like doing those shows. They didn't yellow springs. It's a great idea. It was wonderful we in that chapel that whole area outside esol outdoors. I talked to my doctor. Mike my family practitioner and he told me you should play outdoors if you play indoors. Uv air filters you know like the specs of a building that might be safer. Many buildings nap today are not outfitted this way and know you hope for the best. Take every necessary precaution. Reasonable precaution and and but it's the pandemic. There's no guarantees. Are you getting any people giving shit about doing shows. No no no. I mean even if i did you know what i mean. Who cares and that's it. There's nothing you can do about it. Nobody no matter what you know read about. Jesus seem to be a really good guy. They killed them as just native people. Don l. This dog is hilarious. Mad dog is a edge of this dog. Makes everybody feel good. She's so cute. I've never seen a little dog as a baby. I've only seen them as fulcrum. This this is going to be her size way. That's how she's going to stay yes. She goes like this a little bit more barking more. I'll now how is it traveling with. Is it lower or the company. I mean it's like i'm like when i got her. I was like this. Oh she's an emotional dog right. But i got. I'm like this. Yeah i'm an emotional human like like sometimes i'll be up at five thirty is she'll be upper ears. Be up looking. Like what are we doing. Sit like at least somebody. It increases the amount of love you have right. 'cause this dog as she follows me everywhere. Yeah well i was at the show. The other night i was was staged. She was shaking barking when she heard my voice and the as crazy he was and loves you. Yeah it's a different world man. You got a little dog counseling you like that. Those are different kinds of dogs to. There's so little they have to be held to carry them most of the this. She scared a cold like why she shake. She might be a little combination both. Maybe she needs a drink was five months old. How she keeping it together. Don't talk about her like that. She just need warmth dogs. Yeah you probably have a huge wolf. kind of. Don't have a golden retriever sweetest dog in the world. He's the nicest dog. I don lewis. Perfect he so nice. That dog looks like as a great life. He's just a love sponge like dog just all about love. All he wants to do is like kiss you and let you pet them. And who spends the most time with your dog me. Probably i can see. I spent a lot of time with them. We have morning ritual was originally. I just get up in the morning as soon as i see him. Good morning sir. Good morning sorry. Starts freaking out who tale. He does but he loves chasing balls more than anything. He's a great guy. I thank you say now. He's a sweet dog. You've got dog of Three of them were kind of australian shepherd and One kind of like this. What do you call it a chill weenie. I think is half chihuahua. Half one of those hot dogs. That's the one one of my special buy. That's him so we need this dog. And then the my my daughter has a little dog like did not a not a chihuahua. Can't remember what kind of dog she is. My daughter has a chihuahua mix. It's a chihuahua with like. I think he's got some whippet or something in them. So as a chihuahua with long legs he's adorable. I wanted my kids to train animals when they were little as one of these things. I should have followed through on. But the reason i did. It is because. I wanted to learn how to be patient with other with people. And i figured if they trained and august something it takes. Patience looking. Dog is adorable. I nothing yet. Still no shit those snack real problems when you get dogs that need a lot of training if you want to have a german shepherd or a working dog belgian wa dogs. You don't realize you you you basically got a little genius with teeth that lives with you. Figure figure out problems you know those like Have you heard of those celebrity. Like the german shepherds. The guard dogs the real with that. No two hundred commands shoots and training the dog. Oh yeah i've seen guys that that shit got one of those dogs spent like two hundred grand on it and it died like a week. Those are if you have a dog like that. That's a commitment man like those dogs need work boss germany shit toast so smart. They're from a long history of working dogs. Those are task oriented dogs along history of shield storable cheese. She doesn't want to be held back ever taken adult hunting. No you can't do that right now. Too dangerous for well. You wouldn't want him to be in the woods. I ve oxy probably scare off the animals but second of all he is like the instinct chase squirrels and shit. He chases squirrels but he's like a he's a lover. There's no aggression in him like with other dogs like he's always the beta. He's always his. He tries to be the alpha but they they bark at a music. Sewri story the the australian shepherds like that. She's well she's like she's like the dog described. It needs work. You can tell. She's a herder she corrals kids she corrals me and the interesting yeah. They have it in their dna. They really do. It's the in. The dog is really smart. I'd never trained this though. But you would think i just talked to it and you could see her face trying to figure out what i'm about is really cool thing to do with the dog out there down to beat his dog. They do figure out words like it's not just commands like my dog knows you hungry man. You want to eat like he knows what i say. You hungry what do you wanna do. You wanna throw the ball. He's like what's the fucking ball. Go by with the ball. Is you gotta go outside. They'll just start walking towards the door. He knows a few phrases. Because i definitely trained him like sit and all that shit but sometimes are just smarter than other dogs. He's a really smart dog yemen. Does he like austin the you like i love it. I love it here. What do you what do you do have you don now dow with the county. That's actually did a great job. You actually put it back. Perfect perfect frame. Don't worry about it man. That's the best recovery. I've ever seen from one of these stupid things. These aren't ideal. These cameras mounted on the wall. I like to set up a lot. Man feels only actually just tricked me into doing podcast sars now. I'm i'm going to come and do it for real for real for real. Okay yeah as a matter of fact. I should come after the inauguration. Okay let's do it. Come to the inauguration. That sounds great. I believe i got shot. So i don't know what's member everywhere i go don't eat air. Why can't don't you crunch on the air where you're crunching in the microphone. Eating come on man. He was going to bring your son. He said that he was gonna bring enough. Elk for me and you. I would totally do that. Is it good yes. Have you had bought a kid so he do you make jerky you barbecue. I just put it on a grill. I usually put it on a you. Know what trager guerrillas and pellet grill so like little wood pellets. Make with sawdust. I've seen the rest of sawdust and these pellets according to machine. So it's basically just fire would so it's keep it at a low temperature. Control it to sixty five till it hits. One hundred and twenty degrees internal temperature done a poet. And then i see her the outside one or two ways either i do it in a cast iron frying pan with beef. Tallow which is rendered beef fat. Allow or i have a grill it outside on another kind of grill. Usually i like to do it in the cast iron frying pan. You heard it here first. Job doesn't just like killing animals. He likes gonna do has a perfect. He got his perfect little chopping block. Put him one. He always does the jalapenos on his side right. And it's just you seat is perfectly seared. Meat into the knife is like a japanese. Some extra shit. Blood did allow appeals. He's showing off You not not anything like you guys can cook. I couldn't believe it. He challenged me. I thought he was joking. Said i'm gonna cook all these people. I literally thought he was joking as he can't cook what he was offended so he makes we take him to a grocery store. There's in ohio. And i was laughing the whole time until he started shopping. He goes to the lady. Do you have clams use. Has it so it has always fucking ingredients killed it. Cook for like twenty. My friends in ohio in the show was amazing and did medium apologize to. He was like he did a good job. I had no money. Fuck you gotta do it on stage. You said he was gonna promise. Was i'm saying on the podcast you. It was amazing. I made said. I was like he was like he had done. I was like nah. Nigga what did you say. How did you learn just watching. My mother cook just watching cooking shows. But i do remember when i was younger. My mother was a part of publishers. Clearinghouse and i think they had won promotion. Where you get a betty crocker's recipe book. And they had all these recipe cards. It had senator units like meats and then you see all these recipes. And i used to look at the recipe. I was like man. We got shit to make none of this with. We had to resume ingredients. So i just started reno's recipe because not only does just couldn't cook and then i just started fucking around and just started having fun with you. Go off recipes. Now or your head. I go off one hundred percent. Yeah you know what i'm saying like you know cooking. It's like a technique the art of cooking like could you. Could you could cook whatever it all depends on what spices whatever. But if you not cook you. What's a specialty. I don't really have a specialty really. I don't have a specially. I'll follow recipe somebody to do something about something but i do know. I make these garlic noodles. Right is not a specialty. But it's a whopper. It's like a wet s pussy. Wet as pissy. Dish site is no way around it. They love the garlic doodles. And i make dope ads. Charlie you can put whatever protein you want on it but the garlic knows fucking crazy. You may those at night. I did yes he did. That was. I was impressed. I i love this thing said the metaphor. We had the recipes. Just not the ingredients. That's a good metaphor for like a lot of things like we had the recipes but none of ingredients as well as a bar should write that down. Yeah when i remember but the truth someone will tell you. It's true his watch podcast. Yeah everyone wants to wants. Equal access to the ingredients is right. Hander as real equality right ingredients difference of a metaphor. That really is the difference. That's a great way to. That's a great metaphor is yeah for life. That's what i was telling august. Man listened to my story to whole show. He should any time. I've mentioned i got shot. I believe the first time. I believe in the second time i believed him every time you know peer woods. Yes great comedian. I saw video today. We saw some guys instagram. He's a comedian. It was me introducing him at a comedy club when i was like seventeen now from dc. What's one pm from dc. Yeah he's do the funniest joke about getting shot. I'm not gonna do another guy's joke but he you know he got shot in in dc like one night he. Oh yeah. I remember As i got shot nobody fucking believe me man. We believe you joe. Are you going to bring some l. I told you i'll cook some. I'm ready i'm ready. Man i i wanna see was what they say is. What's all this fuss is about. I want some elk son everywhere. I go motherfucker. Say did you try the elk. Does all i know. Is it gaming gaming. It's not like there's a weird taste that people associate with like venison a game he taste and for the most part. It's either hasn't been prepared correctly or wasn't taking care of correctly after the animal died. I that's for the most part with the game. It's a different flavor. But i think what people associate with with not tasting good like The i think a lot of that a lot of it. Not all of it but a lot of it isn't just personal taste. It's bad preparation. You get a steak from a grocery store. You're assuming that professional butchers like people to grow the cows professional butchers all down the line. They get steak. If you've got guys deer meat. Who knows how. This guy took care fucking. Dear church is nowhere no marginalization and are no nowhere sometimes people Sometimes people shoot them and into the morning. I'm talking about a day. Oh wait a minute. That's exactly dave. This is picture not gonna shame me. You're not gonna change. This is a good day right here. So it isn't out way. Let what does cabinet say. Watchi- is something about is the final product. Oh shit pretty right. Was that a dry rub. What rub is that's sketch. Awan blacken suspects wanted to trigger rub. It's like like a cajun style almost old scott. It's not like a lot of salt to tilt militias perfect rub. I love that rub for for elk so eat when you cook it you you cut it up yourself. You know how to cut steaks. Yes that's that part is easy because that part is what's called the back strap that's the big thick piece of meat that's on each side of the spine. Look at the knife dole can. Is that a japanese now. That's an american knife. Who made that knife was it. Does it say in the caption. Doesn't there's no tag nothing the due to Made it was shit. Have you went in there somewhere. Same knife real close to killing elk. How long eaton that. You can eat it for a whole year literally a year. You have a huge to guy gave you the knife. See neanderthal o chum. Knifes c. h. m. adults to dope knife. Yeah you need it for all year. Hundreds of pounds of meat. It's like four hundred huge the huge shooting. Milk your bow hunting man. Yeah it what happened. That runs off. You've gotta follow it like a day or two. You hit them right. They die pretty quick. Okay he do it with a bodos but you have to practice a lot with a bowl. It's not easy but the point. Is i know exactly where that meat coming from That i know the whole chain of command. I know everything that's happened from the time that animal got hit until the time of cooking as interesting as i get all my mates from strangers. Most people do you. Don't think about it. i was in alaska once in. The lady told me that she hadn't eaten something. She killed herself In years this woman look like a betty crocker model house mom. She was working in ammunition store you know. I had never been to a gun store before they. It was ridiculous isn't fairbanks alaska. It was oh many like think of a kind of gun. The guy goes. This is a sniper rival it can. You can shoot a bear with this from two miles away. Couldn't imagine why. I would shoot a bear that was out. I couldn't as the weirdest sales literally said that. Ten thousand yards right isn't that is an two miles to way the way how many thousand miles is a A mile how thousand five thousand feet is a mile right yards. Listen yes crate. So they can shoot things they can shoot things at one thousand yards like snipers hits shopping thousand yards. Did you think of that. It was a crazy thing to somebody else. Guns the but a mile is five thousand feet and then a thousand yards a bullet. That's crazy that's so far far a long. That's a long squint. They can t ten thousand feet for them. Nothing that's nothing scope. Though that has to be a scope but again alaska. So you've got to think things like guns. There are more utilitarian. You know new yorkers if you do need to liaise their thing. Everybody has gone up there. Well they're also bears isn't fucking moose and shit. Yeah crazy it looks it. Looks unfinished is beautiful. It's a wild place of the last real that the people that live up there a different kind of human. They're more they have that they're more durable. They not soy bean. Now they have all these alaska us they call they call leaving alaska going outside really. Yeah they say it's like a call. They say the lower forty eight. We all heard there before the call. The call the rest of the continental. Us low forty eight tons of them but it was. It was fun and had a nice people. I've only done shows up. There once did chose an anchorage with ari. We had a good fucking time. They're good people but they're sturdy to like you could tell they. Can they survive winter. Deal with shit that people don't have to deal with the male to female ratio the male to female ratio guys number women in alaska. I think tend to want ten to one now. Many women also motherfuckers are sexy. Shit out there. Pitch tend to want we us. We would think think. Oh if you a woman great then guys do you get ten dusty dirt under the fingernails choices these guys rugged gather rugged then let's take the jobs you have only dude in the nail shop and fairbanks everybody else nails. The shit killing. I've been mining all day. I met a guy gold mine. We're jobs like that. That's how i was. When i was in the airforce when i was stationed in cones career. It was like ten gossip every girl and whoever she was she was america's next top model she had the attitude lie. She was a every one of them. Checks was like motherfucker. You gotta compete. That's why nichols was going downtown. It's definitely an dino. Donald speaks korean micom calm fluently but just cavs casual but no. I didn't know that we were in new york. When we choose your pal show we walk into a deli. Yeah and you know to green guides in talking to each other turns how he talks. He's come by but starts. Don't think and i thought he was fucking with them. Like come on man. I'll do that. I'm so sorry sir and the guy looked shocked and then the guy start talking. Bagging talk to you. Just for a couple of seconds. I'm like i. I was floored staring at on. Couldn't believe it he goes oh they thought he said they thought we were stealing signing up told him that we wasn't going to dog eating own language. Yeah and he was. He loved the what he said. You promised me calling for doug case. Awesome dobra something about you while you're standing there and he didn't know that you can speak. Korean was a guy was engaged. They should dave mocking them date. That was manga. But i was really having a conversation with him so david no he thought i was like fucking fuck. You can't talk like that. Then i was with him was like oh shit that those guys were floored i was fluid. They're like when they see a blackout. Go into one of those doors to speak any level of korean. They've fucking lose it. How often does that happen. We're clearly this means one could surmise. That when you in the air force spend a lot of time off base. I did would just be in town and just hanging out. Go had days off. I would go to these little small cities or whatever they live just they'd never experienced american let alone the black guy and catch boats this shit over there. Just hang out with them. And that's how i got a. They got custom to me. And i got accustomed to. Can you read. it now. Couldn't read it. But i could back in the day could spell my name. It was just like i was with trustworthy. People you know we all work together and it was just like fucking do man. Let's go see what your culture is about. You know that's cool that you learned that that's a rare thing that's probably a difficult language to pick up to. The sounds are so different to me. I think is a testament that you're a people person which goes back to the original point. We all made you find a way if you wanna hang out with to people and nobody speaking. I was speaking that language. Yeah you find a way. Yeah you will you learn from books. You take classes at the main gate. We worked at maingate twelve hours. Sixteen hour days. So you is one american one-sidedness to koreans another side. You could just stare at each other all day or you could just start doing word association. I mean this point in its dutch comes up. Told him new orleans. Indo twitter nba was it. What did you say yo airman. A maingate amaral is matt help you. That was degrading. I would say when it comes on. That's what they would say comes out trump But i was switching to me. Come to tell them. Inland rawlins amedo to samba. These by all. I'll tell you side. They used to get get joy reid. Maybe like all lol is why. Why light dollars. S a phone. Because i sound like them and then they will say something else. I didn't not me in. They'd be like oh. Your accident was perfect. I will do the same. Like western learn spanish and went to ecuador wants for like six weeks started picking up. Spanish added driver. That i just met. The guy hired him to the car. He spoke a little bit of english. I spoke spanish but we did the same thing. The end of it by the end of six weeks my man. I could speak spanish. Well i was in my make mimic the action of whoever taught me the word. Learn the word from an argentinian. That say like an argentinian says it. That's why when i when i do korean and whatever and even to my act when it's broken korean people known as the odyssey. He got the tone of an older person and respect. The person is odyssey. Oh yeah. I get a grill. Corinne could tell who. I was around to giving my my my my accent Have i did it. So i have a friend named japanese nakae. I know japanese. Yes she she is from tokyo and for reason when she was in high school move to alabama she learned english from atlanta people and which created the more hilarious accents. I've ever heard my heal. Yes you gotta care. I just wish you gotta country country ad said wow. She's she likes lemon pepper chicken wings. Is that kind of stuff. Yeah in other languages. There's all these weird tones that change the meaning of the korean in particular and career in particular because you can tell the way people use the voice of the people. Older people always talk talented. People don't matter what she did it matter. What it is for you to celebrate is always like it wasn't enough. Do you know the those problems in communications. Why korean air only teaches pilots in english. The only learn and communicate in english correct. Well because they started they recognized that there was an issue with the superior and dealing with a superior. Like if you were. My captain. And i was your. I couldn't say certain things to have. The fucking plane's going to crash oh can't simply say you. You're doing it the wrong way this. You can't say but in english you can so. They taught them to communicate in english because it changes the way or they only used english because it changes the way you communicate with people. You don't have like the that's cultural classification superior of you know an older person who demands respect. I get it the one thing. People don't understand about especially korean. Culture is a level of respect and they have people think it's all. Don't fuck me because i'm black. No to level of respect they have they give a fuck about being older like. That's money desperate. That's everything you being open. Korean culture was money. You know. I was around korea. I liked this. Cultural nuance ivc fascinating. Don't have hard workers but they don't have like korean. Dads don't really have connection with their kids like that. They don't have like the ultimate emotional. Oh you did a good job shit. Don't they're very hard job very hard on her kids. That's it. in general. I had a good friend of mine. Who was a doctor. He was going through his Pity while he was on the national taekwondo team and the dude would literally be in school and he would take breaks to what his backpack on his backpack up with with books and run up staircases and go all the way back down and then go back to go into the library to finish his work and then he would find a way to go to the gym every day. Any won the national championship in these korean kid. I've never met a person who worked harder in my life to this day. I think about that dude. He was always tired. Go how you doing. Mayo's i'm always tired. I'm always motherfucker. Every day would be in that gym every day. Junk sick chang. There was his name. Is he still alive. I don't know. I haven't talked with a longtime chang. Here's a guy that was like he was probably the star student of our team during my When i was competing because he was this guy that was not just a national champion but also got did it while he was in his fucking medical residency like the amount of work that he was capable of doing was insane and he was like the way. Koreans are in the way he would describe it to me. He's like nothing's ever enough no matter what i do. It's never perfect like i did. No one no one's here to praise me. I keep working hard. Sounds like a fun guy. Rice military yeah. It's like when you were like what somebody was out rancho whatever they used to do this thing called education where they could just talk to look karima for any kind of way. They want it as they had this little credence to do you. Just see the the other the young just like they could do whatever they wanted to this month for. He could not do nothing but just showed him. You have to take it days like it wasn't no rules like if you do this they were fucking beat them motherfuckers up whatever. They came back. But what liked that. You describe the reverence for older people. Yeah i feel like here. In america we just discarded people. Yeah he really quick. It's not wise. We should get more than half price at the movies. Ever to certain point. Yeah come on. That's the least they could do well. We've we've forgotten that it's important to have people that are older neither figure life out a little bit better than you have to help lead the way we were running for president the way they kept going on joe biden for being old. Whatever so come on. That's what i mean. I like trump calls the elderly. The elderly somehow doesn't apply to joe day. I did a show. What's right. And i was so quite a bit myself. I was like look at all these old hit with the high school with right like old as motherfuckers that on their same age. I forgot that all the dads read. That's real every once in a while they are all than me and then the same age out there in asia. I'll talk shit. Yeah all my friends around my age. You don't feel it. They they like you know what i mean. They dress the part. That's why it's very important for older people to actually have their shit together because when older people actually have their shit together maybe people will resume the idea of respecting older people. Maybe maybe it will become more of a trend in the future but when people that hold praising when that's problem with a guy like trump that old and still won this and big like all the craziness like the girl used to bank all their horseface on twitter like that. Yeah that kind of craziness is like but you come to expect it of him. Doing it became very entertaining. Man he made all entertainment it but didn't it was a short in people's lives but it's like close like how you'll see. Oh person dressed up and you know that maybe like thirty years ago. That outfit was the shit. You know what i mean. Yeah but but maybe he's not killing it today and it's like you could see him. Put it on one time and just be like this. Is it gonna fix it fast. And keep going his funnier. Fashion eventually comes back around. And then you've got dude dressing up like the old-timey photographers would. I grew up this summer for me. I just grow it. I don't give a fuck. You know what i'm saying. I'm like us. I remember this summer. I was starting to buy shit had waterproof on it. I mean reversible. I was. I was like fuck that fucking city. Boy shit i was buying sit there was fitting for the condition and the weather. I was in right. Close become utilitarian. Yeah i was like for you get out of a city. You guy wears the work close to work to work as right. Everything's practical alaskans. Understand that shit boy. Do they get it. It'd be like if via to go buy some clothes for dating alaska edge but boy. That's a tough one. Yeah nothing i hope. You like waiters bitch year where it's cold where it's not cold outside and the on those days it's like twenty four hours. Those people are conditioned for it. Now that's where it's weird wentz. Twenty dollars they all these signs of because this was like in november all say it was like game of thrones. Winter is coming and there were these scientists. They get your happy lights. Have you heard of this now. You realize people putting their house to to mimic sunshine just so that they don't get depressed. I couldn't large home. Grown man is all. that's crazy. Do you remember that there was a vampire movie. A few years back called thirty days of night. It's all vampires. Show up in alaska because there's thirty days where it never gets light out as a good premise. So these vampires just folk this town up for thirty days because they know win so they they bring this vampire familiar that pulls the boat into the anchorage shore or whatever the fuck. They landed and they get out in this small town and just wreck havoc on this town. For thirty days. Robin williams and chino movie. The opposite of that. It's called insomnia. You've seen it a tendency that we're carry the thing pacino's character Is a cop. This real. And and and rob robin williams is a guy. He's looking for for heinous crime right. The the backdrop of the movie was that it was daylight for twenty four hours a day in the guy had terrible saami that's a rough way to live when it's never gets dark out. I remember doing. When i was in anchorage i was with did shows up there with ours. Fear and we went fishing and it was like two o'clock in the morning and it was bright outside. This is weird man. I love it. It's weird but i would love it to fishing at two o'clock you need to keep going. There's parts where it gets dark bears. No we were trolling for salmon. How detroit sam you pull a boat you got like a boat new kassim lures in really trying to get the salmon aggravated. That's what they want. They don't really hungry at that point. They're trying to fuck so when they get your really pissed off at it more than anything. Jesus christ people who thought of everything who would think to aggravate a fish. Aggravate salmon needed that the other salmon that only plankton. They only the mike microscopic shit like they don't really eat fish. This is a river you do. You pull lures by. I think that's is that chinook sockeye or i'm trying to figure out which one doesn't really eat fish and the only time you catch is when you piss them off. I don't know nothing about my salmon's like sockeye my at different personalities. Anything well some some fish. Just eat fish right and some fish. Just eat microscopic shit and there's one particular type of salmon that only eats microscopic shit. And the way you catch. It is by getting pissed. And that's in alaska. They do that at bristol bay. I think that's chinook is that correct and famine migrate right yeah. They migrate. yeah water or they freshwater house. They're both i thought. Yeah they they. They moved through. I forget what it's called but they They go out to salt water and they come back to spawn in freshwater and they have to do it in the same river so if you damn the river up there fucked and they die. They don't know where to go and they. They never wind up reduce money. Which one is saying sammons huge. Wha at all fish tuna really. Yeah but there's you know they're running out of tuna man. They keeps his jack. Tuna talked to his old tuna guys in japan. Now like we used to see a lot of tuna now you go to the tune of market. It's a fraction of what it used to be. This is not as much tuna left. Yeah people love sushi. Doing live a lot of what happened. I know they love of sushi. Learn brought had a big thing about sushi. And what happened. Quick question quick question. Before i go this because this is coming up in the next time we meet. I want to ask you about what you think the vaccine are you taking it. I'll take it if it works. If i feel that the doctors a have all gotten their opinions behind it and they think they know what it is is like an m. vaccine. This new vaccine makes your body think that it doesn't introduce actual cove into your system and you fight it off. It makes your body. Think that it's ovid and your body builds the proper proteins to fight it off us and a guy explain it to us. Yesterday nicholas kristof. He's from yale. His soy thinks doesn't a good man. He thinks he's a great man. And i won't let you disparaging. No i'm not disparaging. He's beam for him sweeping. He's a doctor. Anyway he he thinks the vaccine will be a very effective. And even if you if it doesn't keep you from getting it to prevent or hopefully prevent you from getting a bad case of it. I don't know though so so what what would you would you would you. Would you need the consensus of a body of doctors. You trust and people's experiences because people already taken it until people have taken it like what is experience and they say that they had The fellowship for a few days. That's it now. Is that true i mean. Who are they talk to them. What's a few days. And what do you mean by felix shit like did you try running four days later and you still felt terrible like so. It apparently the distributing this vaccine almost now. I don't think it's totally ready but it very soon. We'll be ready and if it's effective they're going to encourage people to take it. It makes me feel doctors and like essential. People aren't getting first and then it's going to probably people that are high risk like but the thing is it gonna have people have a sense of like is something that could be done now like it's a sense of hope. It's a sense of progress. It's a sense like you know it was at one time. We didn't have a thought of a vaccine. Now we got competitors and shits people think different. Listen if it works we should take it just but i know how people get real nervous laugh at me but don't get vaccines told you. How do you feel about black people. Don't fuck with no vaccine. Dave i mean. I feel like it's inconclusive. Because you're caveat. Was i take it if i felt safe about it. Yeah that's just the thing. Don't you feel the same way. We'll course but so now you know for the first time we're learning we're learning how a drug the process of drug you know going through trials learning this literally as a nation. We're watching this thing. Take place as an accelerated version of an accelerated version of it because usually vaccine takes multiple years to develop to. This is a really quick to be able to have something this quick. Turn it around and slam house movies. Where they find a cure by the any like is bullshit. They doing it. Well not a cure but seen derek deal. It's the good thing is if another one comes around. They're going to be more prepared to do something like this quicker right. Do i think people needed to really understand that in our lifetime something can kill the world's economy and kill hundreds of thousands of people here in a million people worldwide. I think everybody. I don't think we i think we knew it but i don't think we really expected it right or they knew what they will. The obama administration had prepared for precisely that eventuality us with we couldn't on mine around even if they told you. Even if you watch bill gates speech and ted talk in two thousand fifteen you wouldn't ever internalize it and think there's there's a pandemic coming now know by now we know there is now the we're gonna want invest in the medical infrastructure to make sure that they prepare better next time this hopefully people are going to learn from this. Oh yeah one. Hundred percent people know glass. Nothing is going to be new. There's nothing to be knew about it now. Well the debate is is largely philosophical. Right i mean eh. To to this end this two schools of thought one school of thought is gonna be what it's going to be and will you gotta keep moving mike. Why clothes anything and the other school thought which i thought was you know the distillation it was. It was a right. The remember the premise. When they locked us up was we have to wait to catch up to our medical infrastructure. Yeah so we don't over medical infrastructure we got to supress disease to we can build up the construction and they gave us an early estimate. Two weeks is how comedian does when when a comedian is a real long. Because one more thing before i go and then he does it four or five times. He realized i was guy's gonna do allow. Oh yeah that's so fucking room. That's what the pandemic the quarantine felt like two more weeks three weeks. Maybe we'll open bars and that kinda shit but there's no way to control the other than create it yourself right. What do you mean like the whole vibe of the the scene right the bible which seen the pandemic you say. How do we get used to. What can we do about it. Well he's also saying here's the thing we'd never signed up to let people tell us that we can and can't take risks or go to work and by saying that. If you do it you can kill other people. That's what changed the game so everybody has to figure out how much of that they're willing to accept. And how much of that or not. And whether or not. They're willing to take shot Take this this vaccine without you know knowing the long term effects of it or worrying about the long term effects of in some people are naturally averse to take any kind of medication. They don't wanna do it and other people who are like if you tell me it's good and all the doctors agree and then will help mankind alpha can do it. That's how i feel if i listen. Polio okay. she doesn't exist anymore. Smallpox doesn't exist anymore at least not in the numbers of it used all. Because that's because of vaccines like i do. The vaccines have done. Bad things. only or that. They're dangerous only. It's crazy like vaccines the responsible for the giants vaccine. I think at the core that says you just trust yes. Trust these sources and people realize it. They're at the mercy of someone they don't necessarily trust right as there's an up. Well maybe don't don't touch on faced and don't go outside. I'll tell you when it come out. Said lover renown liar. Right tough one. That was a tough one is especially here. It goes something really touch us. Some really so in the core of and americans identity like you said. How can you tell me to do this. Yeah it's crazy. It was a tough one here. It's a weird. One makes us redefine what it is to be a person like if all the sudden you have other people that got elected into a position of power. That's all they did. They want a popularity contest and they're dictating whether things go this way or that way. And they don't necessarily have the right answer. They have their own answer. And dallas is doing a different this town and washington state's doing different than the vodka. Everyone's doing a different. But everybody's trying to do also. Yeah but governors can tell you what you can and can't do it gets real weird and i get it. They're trying to keep the hospital numbers down. But you told us it was going to be two weeks. Guy said two weeks and now here we are like nine months later and everyone's just waiting for only for a vaccine. But i'm not speaking about you know is right if it's wrong not speaking about like that. I'm just saying whatever it was that was very difficult. Yeah that was very difficult very difficult. You know. I was fine but not knowing when you can work not being removed around. I've been able to see my mother. You know you would never thought if someone had told me. Eleven months ago even the night before the last night we want to milwaukee perhaps the last show there was the last night between shows tonight An energy exchange change. They went from festive. Like look worry. When i got off stage tom hanks it had the one. Nba guy who had touch everything and had it and then the horns starts ringing. Gonna shut the country damp. I i literally go. That's impossible shuttling. Shut down the world. It's impossible this but this thought my initial reaction but the energy change. Now i go out and do the second show and immediately and i wouldn't even think about this year earlier that night i come out on stage by region had thought about okay. Start shaking people's hands. Worry that it was but the day before when even been concerned about it when into the green for forty minutes and talk to people who've been glued to the television watching the news and then they they scare the shit. My behavior changed almost instantly interest. I won't get too heavy. I mean i'm only hanging out. No man it's not too heavy. That's exactly how i felt about it too. I remember shook a hand on a flight. I was flying to vegas for the fights. It was like one of the last flights. Shut it down and some dude goes. I don't know you wanna shake hands shaking hands. He had a mask on already. And i was like wow. He was ready to go down he was. I think this was the very beginning of march. This was the first time i would have been tested. Any capacity was when i did just show that time That was the first time. I had antibody tests or anything. I would have never expected to be deepened in november. And we're all still kind of locked down when this started you lived in la. He had no plans to come here. Yeah you're talking about your whole. Your whole life has changed was interesting about this time. There's nothing we should talk about next time at come is that the in may as it feels like we rewriting our social contracts you know the whole thing and covert is an accelerate on this process that i could have never imagined. Yeah you know. They'll they'll locked inside. That people are stuck in a house with their choices. The house do you like with these things you've accumulated. I hope you like them. 'cause you're stuck with them. I make great choices. I like my choices. You know when. I was faced with it like that. I had much better than many people. But imagine people doing that. In mas- pretty powerful pretty powerful. What does this do to a society this type of isolation and and almost forced reflection. Yes which is not necessarily a bad thing right and we've always talked about how life is a rat race right. People can just stuck in this rat race it feels never ending. It's not good that all these people lost their jobs. It's not good that all these people are gonna lose where they live might help. Some people recognize that. If you just keep going in this rat race he just never ends. You gotta figure out a way out and now is a better time to figure out a way out than ever because you kind of have to you kind of have to and society as it existed ten months ago. It's not the same place. Same was the country is a country. Maybe somewhere south pacific is something that measures the their success as a nation with what they call their gross national happiness. Just totally different premise. We're countries i can't remember. Maybe maybe you go. Gross national happiness jennifer. Thanks fingers says bhutan bhutan ago. This is real. This is a real principle is a philosophy guys. The government think about this is a philosophy guys. A government bhutan and includes an index which is used to measure the collective happiness. This is the metric that they use to define this success. If they try that in america they turn to. An app would fuck up. Everything would just be striving to win the points on the app people in saying that. Get addicted to try to be a better person the vastly vastly better metric. I'm not a communist. And it should. But i think that i know too many people who are very wealthy. Whoever i consider poor quality of life because the like you say the wealth is the point. Yeah the chased it. They chased it and they didn't have any friends right you very well. He's hiding. You love your dog. You don't hang out with you like fucking scooby bill. Your kids get kids like you you you. You're living adventure of life now. You're doing the same thing you're doing. Elana totally different city jazz. Because you're following it. Knowing feeling i gotta be free whatever it is. There's a little bit of that and it is also like I think you're better off living place with less people. I think when you live to be a you live in a place. Like la is great in that. There's a lot of resources a lotta shit happening. And there's a lot of people but it's bad in that sometimes people it diminishes the value of people a little bit when there's so many of them like people stop thinking about la valuable. I don't even think that is that for me. The thing the thing that i always had a hard time with was the point of the place we show biz. Yeah so when. I was coming up in my career. Everything reminded me of the things. I didn't have nothing. Let me appreciate where i was. And then now i love it. It's a winner circle. I'm doing great. So i get him any restaurant got but i remember what it felt like being there is like that's why i don't live there. No disrespect to la. But it's like if. I lag a restaurant. I don't move in and sandwich. I wanna eat was leaving the restaurant. I think you're living in another place that gives you perspective. There's no question. It's the best way perspective. If you're stuck in that show biz world that becomes your culture. Your culture is like this tiny fraction of the human beings in the world and so many people start relating only the people in that culture like that you can get real isolated. That way is not and for what we do for a living. I was conducive to anything. We wanna excise artistically. No it's very wise decision. Like really what is great. Candle is shit. I'll do a commercial for right now. You cut this out. I am dave chapelle and this is a black gash. Candle smells way better than sounds. Take it from me. And ashy larry black bitch. One take. Beautiful gives me a light. Get the saint going when you tour now do you. Just pick a city and say oh. I'm gonna do denver three nights in a row. Venue this show but just between us we could. I don't know that. China we don't have to put anything on the show. But i wanna post for like you know few weeks. It's cold in ohio. I like playing outdoors. I like stubbs place a lot. Beautiful is rock icon. That's why i say we do. Damn thing thinking around december january. Stay here for four six weeks. Try to finish the act. That i was boy. I was close when we when we were supposed to do those shows and going to be fires out. Joe rogan went on sale some tickets. This is joe. We must have sold thirty six thousand. It's in like ten minutes. It was it was insane. We were so excited to do the show and like a week or two before the shutdown half partnerships and. It was nice so we once we did fun to though to see was. I've never seen that that we watched Once upon a time in hollywood that was so much fun in the morning. The conversation we were we were there. That was when you know. There was no seattle tacoma komando and that was fire. That was fun conversations. We'd have in green room. You know every every tour has its own culture with the culture to that we did together was great year. Nfl was who was traveling with you. He was always famine man. He was always tired from not getting the right protein bigger slept the whole -joyed side but he and i the first time i'd ever left the country i was like eighteen. I might nineteenth birthday there. In scotland i did edinburgh festival and was was on the festival doing show and we you know black dudes from from the west my way west land we hit it off we would crag each other up and the and then bam i just see him on the road maybe feel twenty years younger and we you know we all sit around green room. The lights are read music. Good really good vibes really good company. It was it was perfect match. We use it with the red light in your room. It changes everything. I must steal that from you man. Then please be my guest. I'll go with purple. It's all about the ongoing. Because i used to sit in a room with hard white lights and fruit plate that i don't know how long they've been there and and no music and the early days no friends he just sitting in and Maybe maybe a joke book just waiting waiting all the time just waiting just waiting and and at some point you well. There's gotta be fun. I can't just be sitting in these rooms looking at these walls who the fuck has to bring a book to work. It was that it was that. So i just started sex in it up like he's having fun and and then when you start big on the road he stopped. Bring your friends out and all that shit then it gets really fun and you become like a surrogate family. The longer you stay out together you know. Learn each other's creature habits you find out shit about each other you know what the shacks i see what what people made up man we have. We have so much fun. You will love that shit day. Remember that kid a gun. But that's when i was planning on coming not doing any standup. I have my drone that night. Oh yeah yeah. Yeah we have my drone outing not a fly. My own drone one of my friends was planning drone and it was late at night. You'll get the drone shot. So we get to joe shots and then a drone went up in ayers about o'clock in the morning and we thought we'd lost the drone. We see no red lights blue lights. It was just god we was like. Oh shit nigga drone we wrong about to get out of here. We thought we lost the dronut. Joel was supposed to be at the bed and breakfast. How well can you control those things like the people that know how to drive it. They can control where he can't see it through like measurements and distance and everything we as as a good though. They had buttons on the track. Track a personal and object if you wanted to follow car anything like that. Remember in la. The paparazzi started doing all this crazy drones. Shit i'm sure they got you. The we joan guy drove drinking coffee. Hear the buzzing and noted. There's a dude a block away somewhere like they could. They could kind of find do now with a drone a drone shot from the place. We thought we lost we was griego is search. Give of drone right. We give get everybody. Go find his joan. We don't see this guy nowhere to all of a sudden decide. It was like a movie. We saw these blue lights. Come up and we are diseases. An motherfucker came. Everybody was like oh shit drown and that's came all the way baghdad outside shot. That was a great side. I met the governor of texas. I went to the mansion. Hang out with them governor. Abbott and i had whiskey in barbecue with them while we're hanging out at his house at drone comes by and hovers in the skies. The one the light goes on. And we're watching this drone. The security guys are trying to figure out where the drones coming from and who's got the drone and it turned out to be like the fire department. Real art department has their own drone. And they're flying drone around looking for stuff that makes a lotta sense but they they're like that's like how you can spot fires got what's going on. If there's some sort of car accident they could probably send a drone now get video image of it so they know what to expect their make sense right and there's a new car like that some. The headlights are drones. The you gotta look this. What is the headlights. Flyway we ran. The headlights are tach to the car. Right there on if you get out of the car they pop off from dot flying around and make a path lights that. That's i think that's the thing. Audi created autonomous off roader that uses flying drones to illuminate the road instead of headline video. Why ill is fuck is. Oh oh my god. They're ahead of the car. 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Mutiny on the Bounty with Brandon Huebner

Based On a True Story

1:30:51 hr | 1 year ago

Mutiny on the Bounty with Brandon Huebner

"Hello and welcome to based on a true story. The podcast that compares your favorite Hollywood movies with history on today's episode. We're going to learn about a very highly requested movie mutiny. On the bounty in fact this is one of the most requested movies. So I'm super excited to have the chance to chat with Brandon. Hubner about the film. Brandon is the host of the maritime history podcast which as the name implies covers a ton of in-depth detail about pretty much anything relating to maritime history before we chat with Brandon though. Let's set up our game Koutros and ally if you knew the show. Here's how it works. I'm about to say three things. Two of them are true and that means one of them is a lie. You ready okay. Here they're number one. Captain Bligh was not really the captain of the bounty number two. Not all of the mutineers left. Tahiti for pitcairn number. Three Lieutenant Christian was killed after trying to save the bounty from burning. Got Him. Okay now as you're listening to our story today. Your challenge is to find the two facts scattered somewhere throughout the episode and by a simple process of elimination. You'll know which one is the light. And of course we'll do a recap at the end of the episode to see how well you did all right now. It's time to connect with Brandon to chat about the historical accuracy of mutiny on the bounty. The movie opens by giving us a time and place where Portsmouth Harbour in England on December twenty third seventeen eighty seven this is when the HMS Bounty leaves England. Her mission according to the movie is to travel to Tahiti to gather. What the Gardner on board Mr Brown calls breadfruit. And according to Mr Brown the breadfruit plants has the potential to be a great source of food for British colonies. Like those in the West indies. That's how the movie kind of sets up the context. For the purpose of the bounties mission. Can you give us an overview of how accurate that was to history? Yeah definitely my basic answer is that that is the broad purpose of the mission at. It's pretty accurate in the big picture so I was pretty impressed with how they set it up there. I think in one of the opening scenes the Gardner Brown that you mentioned. He alludes to Q. Gardens which he says is the garden in London and that was the Royal Gardens in London. There had been around for a while the connection with Q. Gardens to the actual bounty mission was that Sir. Joseph banks was the president of the Royal Society. The Scientific Society of Gentlemen in London and that time and he he was one of the guys who really helped get the Q. Gardens off the ground and grow a lot in that era. He's the man who bankrolled the bounty expedition. Basically had a lot of finances and he put together and his whole purpose for the expedition was to get breadfruit from Tahiti like they said so. That was definitely the main purpose. Joseph banks actually had gone on previous expeditions to the Pacific. So he was personally familiar with that area. He went there with Captain Cook. Who's a pretty well? One of the early explorers of the Pacific. They're bringing breadfruit from Tahiti over to the West. Indies was their main goal. They had some other subgoals. I guess which were to more fully explore that area of the world because it hadn't been fully explored to that point there were broad stretches of it that weren't on maps at all so that was the secondary. I purpose of the expedition to would that be a rather consistent secondary purpose of I guess. I'm just assuming that if a ship whether it's bounty or you know another ship goes off into an area that's not necessarily explored very well that automatically becomes a secondary mission to whatever it is that they're doing yeah. I think that's pretty fair. That's how a lot of them you'd their purpose explorers at that time and place in history especially the the cap is coming from Europe in that time where the ones leading the forefront of exploration so yeah having the dual purpose there I think was pretty common. Okay well now that we know a little bit about the win and where and what their purpose was curious about the WHO Especially since movies a lot of time to change names or make up completely fictional character so I always like to ask about some of the characters that we see and in this movie. There's a few key characters that we meet early on there's Lieutenant Fletcher Christian. He's played by Marlon Brando. When I went back to watch this man he was really a in this movie. Yeah I And then a captain William Bligh played by Trevor Howard and one of the more prominent of the crewmen a man by the name of John Mills. He's played by Richard Harris and again I did not recognize him at first. It took a little bit because he was so young. But were those real people on the bounty. Yeah all three of them. Were and I agree with you like I was kind of caught off guard by how young actors or it's been a long time since I saw movie so pretty interesting. Yeah all three of those guys. Were Real men who went on the bounty expedition. Of course Fletcher Christian and the Captain Bligh. The two main ones Christian was fairly. Well depicted I think he was kind of coming from a family that had more means. I suppose you could say I don't know if he was quite as much of a dandy is the movie depicted necessarily but it's a little hard to tell just from looking at records from the time so he could have had that type of personality. Bligh to he was basically the captain of the voyage. I guess technically not timeframe he hadn't achieved the rank of captain officially for the Navy at but Bligh was technically not a captain but that's the role that he played on this expedition. He was the leader and everybody knew he was Bligh. Was the one who really gives us most of the records. We have from the actual expedition because as the captain he's the one who was writing the logbook every day you know. He kept his own journal of events as they unfolded so his records are pretty good. Contemporary running log of what would have happened on the expedition with the giant caveat. Of course that he could leave stuff out if he wanted to so that that becomes the focal point of the historical debate. I guess the Third Guy John Mills he was also part of the crew. He was gunner's mate I think so he wasn't at the top of the leadership structure per se and I've found it a little strange that they included him as more of a focus of the film's narrative because as far as we can tell from history he didn't really play that big of a role and we don't have any you know first hand written accounts from him where we do have written journals or after the fact accounts from other people who were part of the expedition so he his role in the film was a little surprising to me but he was a real person. I wonder if maybe I have seen this. A lot with filmmakers will in order to make it easier to understand. It's the crew. Is this one essentially all coming from this one guy because as I recall mills at least in the movie was the spokesperson for the crew and so the crews position very often was essentially. Whatever it was he was saying. Yeah I think that's a fair way to look at it and I kind of had the same thought watching back through the film. He's used as like a figurehead. Almost there were a fair number of other crew members that I caught their names over the course of the film and I think they were pretty accurate. As far as naming different people who were part of the crew? Okay they just picked okay. Richard Harris has played in this guy. So he's going to be the main guy. Yeah that's probably how it went now. We we don't really see any sort of dates or anything like that in the movie after they leave England but almost immediately we start to get a sense for captain bligh's leadership and this happens when mills is accused of stealing two twenty five pound wheels of cheese by another crew member and initially. He denies this but then below decks with the crew mills admits that he took the cheese but he insists that he took the cheese because can bligh wanted him to take the cheese to his house. It was a direct order. And then he calls captain bligh a thief and just about that time. Of course as it would happen. Happens to walk by. And here's this and then buy orders mills to receive two dozen lashes. I mean any time watching a torture like this is it's difficult but it's also insane to think about how this is in this. According to the movie it's happening over some cheese that according to one side was the order from Captain Bligh. Then there's even some dialogue in there as if you know that wasn't enough of an indication of his style of leadership but there's a Lieutenant Christian mentions the this infractions minor. Stealing some cheese and the punishment is way too severe within captain. Bligh says something to the effect of that may be true but cruelty with purpose is not cruelty its efficiency and so we get the idea from the movie that captain. Bligh wants to lead his crew through fear. How did the movie do showing captain? Bligh's mentality for how he wanted to lead his crew. That is a good question. That's a bit of a tough one too because again like I mentioned a minute ago. His Journal his records are a large basis of what we know about what happened on the expedition. We we have some after the fact accounts by people who were implicated in everything as it plays out. You know you can almost look at it like by the time we get to the part where we're looking at everybody's story of what happened. Were in a court trial almost so you take people's testimony with a grain of salt at that point a little bit. I guess so we do know that. Bligh was pretty strict as a captain. The whole cheese block incident. I guess is Christian. Tried to pass it off as a it was a minor thing but bligh was coming. And most of the crew almost the entire crew were coming from this tradition of they were part of the Royal Navy. They'd all served on ships before and they've been under various captains during the tenure of their careers respecting the structure of authority in in the Navy especially was a huge deal so the cheese incident. I guess Captain Bligh if it played out that way he was looking at it as not so much that he wanted to rule them through fear but more that he just needed to assert his authority. I guess and make sure that he was viewed as the captain and there was no questioning his integrity. That's part of it. I guess as far as Bligh's personality there are quite a few accounts from this expedition from later. Expeditions that he was part of two he had quite a few run. Ins with various people over the course of his life and career in the navy and as an authority figure once you get a long enough string of people having run INS with the same guy over and over you start to wonder if common denominator exactly exactly so there is some of that going on beneath the surface. I guess Bligh was. He was pretty strict even a aside from his personality he had served on previous voyages with Captain Cook. Captain Cook was also very strict. He believed in keeping his crew set to a rigid schedule. Keep them discipline. You keep them in shape especially because when you're going on these long voyages to the Pacific where you don't exactly know we're GONNA wind up or when he really believed in keeping everybody exercised and fit eating regular diet and a lot of the sailors could get on board with that. But of course you always have some sailors on the crew who are just there for the or whatever they they don't. WanNa listen to the authority figure that came into it. I think there's a scene in the movie where he has the crew dancing up on the deck at one point. There's the guy playing the fiddle and I thought that was a pretty good scene to include. Because we know from the journals that Captain Bligh. He was so insistent that they had to get four hours of dancing in every night like he had a set schedule from four to eight. Pm He'd have the fiddle player play and they all had to dance on deck as a way to get exercise. Because there's nowhere else to go when you're stuck on a tiny ship so that was reported to have gotten old rather quickly with the crew. They they made fun of you know but by cutting cave decide to keep them to it if you wanted to maintain authority so it was things like that. He tried to keep them all in line. And in order and it does seem like the crew got tired of it Kinda quickly earlier. You mentioned that. He wasn't really a captain but he was trying to prove himself. D think some of it had to do with that where he's trying to prove himself as a captain so that when he returns home from this voyage people in the navy. We'll see how good a job he did. And actually give him the official title. I do I think that's a very good point. And historians have done work on this and on the research into everybody's accounts and journals and whatnot. That's something they point to quite a bit as maybe being part of the underlying psychological basis for. Why bligh acted the way he did? There were letters going back and forth between him and the Admiralty in London before the voyage left that kind of show he was fritzy concerned that they make him a before. They set sail. It was a big deal to him so you can kind of assume from that that it was always there on the back of his mind he may be was frustrated because the admiralty didn't come through and make him a captain before the voyage to that sale even though they were supposed to he probably did then feel like he had to go out of his way to prove a point. And maybe that did play a role as you're mentioning that. And then tying that back into most of what we know about. This still comes from him and so thinking of the things that he may not have included that he might have thought might have been a little bit much or something. I don't know putting in the logs you again like you said he can control what goes in those logs and so just think about how. How many things we don't know about that might have happened that he just decided to omit from history. Yeah it's an interesting discussion. I I tend to think there aren't a ton of things that he left out. He was conscientious as a captain. It seems to try to keep as accurate of a record as possible but it still does raise questions there. There is a time where after they leave England the movie said it was some time in December if I remember correctly December twenty third seventeen eighty seven okay so they initially were trying to leave England. Ah coupling two months before that in October the Admiralty slowed them down a bit. Just because this expedition wasn't a huge priority. Which is reflected in the fact that they didn't try that hard to make an actual post captain so there were kind of chain of events that set them behind schedule a little bit. They got stuck by weather in the English Channel. So by the time they finally make it out into the Atlantic in December. You know he's already annoyed like we're behind schedule. Then he wants to show he still a captain keep his authority. Go on. Get everybody in a strict regimen. So you know there's a way you can look at it like maybe things got off on a bad foot from the very beginning but then it just becomes a debate. Like how much of that was his fault. He should have been able to handle that anyways. Kasese the captain. He's got to be prepared for anything. Yeah you mentioned the timeframe there and that leads right into my next question because something that we get from. The movie is how Captain. Bligh is so focused on getting to their destination as soon as they can't so he decides instead of taking the long way around and I think they show a little map to kind of visualize this but think of you know the the Cape of Good Hope Africa. According to the movie perceive as the the safer route but then captain bligh decides to take the more dangerous routes down around a South America which is Cape Horn Shorter distance wise. But it's more dangerous because of weather now if they're able to do it. The movie implies that they can save five months Shave Five months off their voyage but this decision in the movie proves disastrous. There's horrible weather eventually forces them to turn around and in the process. Instead of saving five months they lose five months. Time which of course makes Captain Bligh not very happy at all but was the movie correct and showing that Captain Bligh initially commanded the bounty to go round Cape Horn instead of the Cape of Good Hope. Yeah that's that's another point where I think. In general that is accurate that was their initial plan was to go around South America around Cape Horn. Just like you said because it saves them so much time and so much distance traveled. The Rub. Is that you're going further south than you would if you had to go around the of good hope around the tip of South Africa. So the the bad weather comes into play as you're getting close into the Antarctic regions there. They knew it was going to be a gamble. I suppose but enough ships had gone that route. By this point in history they knew with pretty fair certainty that if they got there early enough in the sailing season they'd have a high likelihood of being able to make it around the Cape of Good Hope. That was the initial orders from the admiralty to definitely try to go that way if you can because it saves us time and money so it it seems like Captain Bligh but even his superiors all were of the same mindset that that was the first way to try to go as I mentioned a little bit. They were behind from the beginning through. Not Really Captain Bligh's fault so by the time they finally got out of the English Channel and into the Atlantic. He probably had a sneaking suspicion that they weren't GonNa make it there in time. I suppose maybe that's another thing that might have gotten under. His skin. Made him have a worst attitude than he was inclined to have to begin with so yeah that was their first attempt was to go that way but they did wind up getting stopped by weather. Like you said okay. Yeah that's a good little tidbit about them. Being delayed from the onset. Because that's not something they really show in the movie and so it just the impression I get from movies. He is just so focused on getting there. He wants to shave five months off regardless it doesn't really show that. Oh they're already starting off a little bit behind and so wanting to save make up some of that. Time is a little more of a understandable. I can understand that a little bit more trying to make up a little bit of that time rather than when I was watching the movie again this last time it just seems like I mean he just he just wants to. It's all about making a good impression getting there really fast and not not necessarily we just want to get there on time and we have already lost some time. Yeah that's a good point. I think he he was very driven to make a good impression. So maybe there's elements of both by that kind of muddies. The waters a little bit. If you try to show that it wasn't just his fault I can see why the movie set it all up the way that it did. Yeah Yeah Well. One thing they do show in the movie. Was that after this happens. Captain Bligh actually blames the crew for costing them five months as if it was the cruise decision to go round Cape Horn. I even though just a little bit earlier in the movie they show. That has captain Bligh's decision and they didn't want to do it but did he really blame the crew for that decision. That's a good question. I kind of wondered the same thing when the movie portrays it that way. I tend to think that that's a bit more of a stretch than maybe some of these other points. I've never read anything to that effect but again I. I wouldn't be entirely surprised if there is a kernel of truth. They're not so much that he was truly angry at the crew but I could see. He was kind of renowned to have a temper in trying circumstances that he didn't try to restrain at all and he would just you know let his worst thoughts fly. Whoever tended to be closest at the moment so I could see they got to the Cape to Cape Horn and they were held up by weather for a few weeks. He kept trying to push them to make the turn around to try to get over onto the Pacific side. There were plenty of ships who could fight against the prevailing winds and they could make it around but it's also a renowned area of the world. Were there's tons of shipwrecks because it's so dangerous. He was very driven to try to get them to make it around because they spent several weeks trying to fight against the winds but he wound up. Having to tell the crew we tried will turn around. It seems like some of that decision was probably because all of the crew was sick of it at that point and I could see in the heat of the moment and in him getting so frustrated he probably did lash out at crew members. I just haven't seen anything concrete to show like what he said necessarily or anything like that. You make a good point though that if he was already frustrated because they're behind and then this happens. It's just not going to help somebody who sounds like has a short fuse anyway. To begin with and so he's going to lash out for even some of the smallest things after that. I guess it sounds kind of like an excuse. When I put it that way I don't mean to portray it as an excuse for him. Nobody rational I it. I'm like I'm just trying to put myself in that mindset of. Why would he do the things that he's doing and not not to excuse them by any means right right but just to try to try to understand it? I guess is no better way to put that that. That's fair. That's I wonder while they were stuck trying to go around Cape Horn in the bad weather. Did they still have to do their nightly dancing? They would really struggle. I think yeah I mean it's freezing cold down there maybe give them a break out on a well going back to the movie once. The bounty reaches their destination in Tahiti. They're welcomed by the natives. There's singing dancing feasting. It's what I pretty much would assume Hollywood sixties movie would show at Tropical Island right and of course the crew loves this. How were they actually received? When they arrived in Tahiti from all the accounts we have it. It seems like they were received with open arms by the tuition's like you said I'm sure the movie romanticize it a little bit in that sixty s style that it does. It's still fun to watch though for sure. But we know from the records. Captain Cook had been to Tahiti before there have been some other expeditions that have made land there so the people of Tahiti were fairly well familiar with people coming from Europe and from the outside world by this point and they were glad to have people visit they especially loved all the wealth and the goods that these ships brought with them from the European world so I think that was part of it but culturally Tahiti was also a very welcoming society kind of like the movie portrays too so I think it's been about ten months since the ship left England by the time they make it to Tahiti here. We said that Cook had been to Tahiti. So there's that one scene where Captain Bligh sees. I'm assuming is the king of the tribe onto Hiti and I thought that was a really cool scene. I'm not sure how accurate is I? Don't know a ton about the cultural aspects of Tahiti and all that stuff but we do know from Bligh's records that he recognized the king. He had known him since. Bligh was on the final expedition. That cook made to the Pacific. So Captain Bligh knew personally. Some of these people who still lived onto hedy. I think some of the other crew members were also on the expedition. Some of the bounty crew members were so there were probably a handful of those on the bounty who were meeting old friends almost in a sense which is pretty interesting. The island was familiar to them for that whole point then I think they set up their camp on the same side captain. Cook's camp had been on. So it's a little weird to think about. But they almost were coming back to a familiar environment a little bit. And then of course he had up decent portion of the bounty crew who had never been there and it was just. They were awestruck with the Pacific islands. And all the people there so it's interesting to read the accounts of how taken the the crew men were with the island and the life. They're the women. Were very open as the movie portrays like a lot of the sailors on the bounty voyage took up with their island wives. I guess you could call this kind of how the movie portrays it. And that's pretty. Well established all the records. We have to all. The men had their wives on the islands while they were there. I'm pretty sure captain. Bligh did keep himself apart from all of that which the movie also alludes to but from the logs. We tell that a lot of the crew members had to be treated for transmitted diseases so it's pretty well established that that's how it all operated. While they were on the island they were there for a period of months and they didn't have too much to do he. He wanted to keep them on land so they could get more exercise and all that kind of stuff so they had some duties during the day but they had a ton of free time compared to what they would have on the ship. You mentioned how long they were on their for in the movie implies that when they get to Tahiti the breadfruit plants that they're going forward in their dormant season so that means basically they can't transport them safely without these plants dying before they reach their destination so this is the reason why the bounty grew has to stay on Tahiti for months because they have to stay there until the doormat season is over and that's an extra five months and you did mention that. They stayed there for a few months. Was that part of the plan or was it like in the movie. It's unplanned. It was not necessarily part of the plan to stay there for that long. Yeah I think it's probably fair to say that it wasn't part of their original plan if everything would have gone according to plan that they had on paper before they left. England they'd have made around Cape Horn on time. They have made it to Tahiti several months before they did. Their stay would have been a lot shorter and then they've they would have gotten the plants and gotten out of there. The simple way is that it didn't go according to plan but the plan broke down before they even got to Tahiti like we said so part of the reason they had to stay there longer. Was that the breadfruit had gone into that dormant period but it seems pretty likely that captain bligh and everybody especially the gardeners that they had brought on board who did know about breadfruit by the time they were in the vicinity of Tahiti. They probably had a good idea that they were going to have to wait it out. Just because they were knowledgeable about the time line and all that stuff the only other reason I can think of for why they had to wait in that region of the world. They are pretty dependent on the monsoon winds that are seasonal in nature. So that was the other part of the delay by the time they got to Tahiti. It was in the time of the year. Which one did we sit and got ten months after they left? They got there in the fall so they had to wait until spring time came back around basically which I guess would be about five months. The winds in the fall time are blowing from the West to the east towards Tahiti coming out of like Southeast Asia. In the springtime they shift their blow in the opposite direction. And that's the direction that the bounty wanted to leave once. They left Tahiti there. We're going to bring the bread fruits on board and then go through Southeast Asia north of Australia and then cut across the Indian Ocean. Go back around the CAPE OF GOOD. Hope go in the opposite direction and then cut up to the Caribbean so they needed the winds to help them do that. Otherwise they really wouldn't have been able to make that journey in that direction in the fall time. So I guess it's two parts the breadfruit. They had to wade out but they also had to wait for the winds to shift backing up from that. I'm curious because we're talking about the initial delay in the English Channel and then the delay around South America all of these causing that and then of course this one here want to actually reach their destination. Tahiti aren't going according to plan. But I would have to assume that things don't go. According to plan a lot of the time now so that I would assume that things not going. According to plan would have to be part of the plan. I guess and kind of the norm for a lot of these expeditions. So I would assume that whoever is tracking this back in England or whoever is in charge of planning these missions and these explorations are probably pretty familiar with that and pretty lenient with that. And so it wouldn't necessarily be a reasonable reason why it would make captain bligh that much more anxious and angry and upset. I don't know that's the way to phrase that but does that make sense. No it does and I. It's a very reasonable question. It does you know. Get us more into that area. Where we're kind of trying to psychoanalyze bly. And why why? He was making decisions he was and had kind of the attitude towards things and I think you raise a good point because the admiralty they have their original game plan but like you said they had a wealthy guy bankrolling the whole thing. They had a bunch of people in the Royal Society. Who had interest in this and technically? It was an expedition that was part of the navy. It wasn't a civilian expedition. So bligh had his orders from the navy and all the men on his crew were part of the Navy who you know were oath bound to follow him and to do everything the Navy Way. Which is you know according to orders and according to the plan once it became clear that they weren't going to make it a around. Cape HORN I. Maybe they knew early enough but they had been able to send word back to England in the Admiralty understood. They were going to have to reroute around Cape Horn and they signed off on that so everybody in the whole chain of reporting knew that they had to adapt. They knew that the bounty put in you know in South Africa for a period of weeks to restock everything and they'd put in at various ports before they got to Tahiti and been sending letters back to England the whole time. So yeah at Blige should have known that the Admiralty was informed of all these adaptations of the plan. And you would think that that would inform his whole perspective on everything as best as I can tell a lot of the character. Studies just seemed to conclude that he was A. He was an Uber perfectionist. He wanted everything to be perfect according to the original plan and he doesn't seem like he adapted to change. Well he wasn't quick on his feet and it seems like over. This period of months really kept digging further and further under his skin and pushing his already sour personality even further. That way. Yeah it sounds like being a perfectionist. And also captain of a ship in the seventeen hundreds where things don't go according to plan. It's probably not a good combination. Yeah the other thing. I have heard that. I suppose makes sense as I've alluded a Captain Cook a few times. And how bligh was on captain. Cook's final expedition. Some people go so far as to say Captain Cook. Was this famous explore. He was the first guy to explore the Pacific and discover all this stuff. He was a celebrity in England. Basically and Captain Bligh seems to have had a desire to be viewed the same way and Cook's voyages had all gone. You know really smoothly. Cook was a good disciplinarian. He kept everything in line at seems like maybe blind shooting for that mark and every time that something happens where he. He felt like he wasn't reaching up to that mark. It just contributed to his that attitude. I guess that makes sense. That's another aspect of. I didn't think about cook being. I'm assuming a kind of a mentor type role in his eyes at least in wanting to live up to that as well. Yeah well if we go back to the movie after the Warranty Hedy for a few months but then after they leave Tahiti Captain Bligh just continues torturing his men there's one of them that is just super brutal and it's called Keel hauling it's one of the crew Mr Young. He claims it's illegal but they do it anyway. And the way that the movie depicts this. Is they tie a man to ropes. Drop him into the water and then the crew takes the other end of the ropes and drag him along the hall of the ship. So he's actually the bottom of the ship being dragged along the hall and in this case the man is eaten by sharks before the punishment is even done so captain. Bligh doesn't even really seem to care. He's like okay. Just dropped the ropes in the water. Then I guess was Keel hauling a real punishment and did actually take place on the bounty at this whole scene was I probably had my jaw dropped a little bit when I was watching it. It's definitely a real punishment And the way that they carried out the punishment was accurately portrayed in the movie. That's how it worked. The only issue is that we have no record of the bounty having carried out a punishment like this and the crewmen who said that it was illegal. He was right. It was highly illegal. The Royal Navy would never have put up with captains punishing crew members. Like this I don't think there are too many records of captains even attempting to do a punishment like this at least captains in the navy where you see this punishment coming into the historical record more so is back way far in ancient times. I think there were some Roman ships where they punished. I'm assuming maybe it would have been more slaves who were chained to the rowing or is back on those types of ships. They were punished like this. But the common image of this punishment is that it's what pirates did to punish people because it's such a cruel form of punishment like you're being dragged under the ship and ship that's been in the ocean for so long has barnacles and stuff all growing on it. You're basically getting a slow stabbing death while you're like submerged in saltwater I yeah it was the super cruel punishment. I don't think that they used it on the bounty but in a version of the story that the film presents it doesn't make captain bligh look like a really bad guy while yeah. I mean anybody that would do that with me. Yup Yup. I think it's a bit of a stretch though. Okay well I'm I'm happy to hear that. At least I mean not that. Any of the punishments that he put on people were good. But I'm happy to hear that Keel Hauling. At least was not part of the picture. Yeah yeah there were plenty of other punishments. I think that one is just too extreme but I guess were to the point in the story now where they showed that lashing related to the cheese wheel incident early on and there were plenty of lashings that took place for various things. There were some crew members who smelled off to the captain and that's deserving of punishment with lashing be the default punishment almost of whatever the infraction is. If there's not something specific than lashing. Kinda just the the go-to as far as I know that that was the pre standard one and then just the degree of the punishment to match. The degree of the crime would just depend on how many lashings you actually got. I think while they were onto. Hiti there were some incidents of sailors trying to escape and go to a different island. I think they showed that in the movie. I don't remember where Adam the time line. Some of those sailors did got locked up for a while on top of getting lashings and getting punished like that. Otherwise I think maybe some of the other punishments was just reducing rations for people who broke the rules in some way whether that would be to take away their grog rations which is like their alcohol allotment for the day. That was a pretty common punishment too. Well in the movie Captain Bligh kind of leading up to the actual mutiny itself. He orders restrictions on the men's water because they don't have enough water for the plants. The movie says that they actually took twice as many as were needed. Because Captain Bligh wanted to impress the people in Jamaica when they get there but that means that they need twice as much water for these plants and then capitalize essentially takes that from the men's water supply. The idea that Captain Bligh had was he would store a ladle at the top of the mast and then whoever wanted a drink would have to go up there and get it and then they would get one ladle of water and we see actually one of the men falling to his death onto the deck trying to get that ladle up there then a little bit later we see Lieutenant Christian. He tries to give the man who drank some He actually drinks from seawater and so he was going through. I'm not a hundred percent. Sure what it's called when you drink too much seawater other than not a good idea but Lieutenant Chris was trying to give them some freshwater in order to save his life but of course that polls from the water supply captain. Bligh's not happy with that so he kicks the water from his hand. Doesn't save the water either it. Just splashes it over the deck. And then that's when Lieutenant Christian has had enough so he and his sailors take over the ship and that is the actual mutiny itself. That was the final Straw as it were. How well did the movie do showing these events leading up to enduring the mutiny itself? That's another good question and I didn't think about how captain plows just wasting. All the water was so worried about doing it. That's a good irony to point out there but yeah it I feel like a broken record a little bit. I like how the movie builds the tension and they have their good guy and the bad guy the hero and the villain I guess but when it comes to what we actually know about how everything played out they get the big picture fairly accurate but a lot of the details. They kind of twist or they changed entirely to serve the narrative. I'm sure and it works really good in the movie. It's probably less exciting. How it actually played out in reality but you know that is what it is. That's usually how it goes so there were a couple of incidents after they left Tahiti. I think I'd alluded to and there's no need to get into the particulars. It all kind of came to a head when captain bligh. He directly accused Lieutenant Christian of stealing. Something was what appears. Set things over the edge. It doesn't seem to have been tied to the water supply maybe indirectly. They did bring more plants on board than maybe was necessary. I don't know if that's because he wanted to impress where they were getting or just because he knew they were going to lose some along the way and they need to make sure they had enough. I I don't recall too much about that. I'm sure it would have taken a lot of water to keep them all alive so that he did decrease their water ration a little bit. But I don't think it was so extreme to be to the point that the film depicts. They had brought on a lot of other supplies when they left Tahiti too so they they weren't necessarily hurting for water for supplies like that at this point yet so the incident that set things off was captain. Bligh had a stack of coconuts out on the deck. They he had told everybody. Don't touch these. These are mine and his plan was at some point. Couple days down the road he was just going to hand them out to. The crew is kind of a treat. I guess he thought that would be nice or something. Like the bus bringing and doughnuts or whatever the story goes that Fletcher Christian knew this but overnight one night one of the coconuts disappeared and everybody knew that it was Christian. Who had taken it. It leads to a confrontation. Were captain bligh accused of stealing it and things blew up from there. Some of the eyewitness accounts after the fact tend to make it look like Christian might have done this on purpose because he wanted to push things into a confrontation and that over a course of days and weeks he'd been like slowly getting more and more irks with Captain Bligh. He'd been getting really moody and depressed. It seems like from the way he was acting. According to other crew members anyways and the speculation is that he was just tired of captain. Bligh berating him for one. It seems like when they were onto hedy bligh singled him out to you know lecture for not working hard enough and he just really kept on Christians case the whole time and you can imagine how over a course of months that would start the great on eat. Probably get sick of guy so it seems like. That's maybe what happened after this whole coconut incident that must've pushed over the edge whether he wanted to or not. Who knows but the mutiny actually happened that night time. Captain Bligh was asleep in his cabin. He had a pretty small cabin because the typical captain cabin. That was you know the whole rear part of the ship like you see in movies. They turn that into the greenhouse. Basically so captain. Bligh was relegated to the little small section and supposedly according to the the sailors who were on the ship. He trusted everybody so much. He just slept with the door open. He wasn't worried about anything. It doesn't seem like so. You know that tends to indicate that he did see the mutiny coming at all whether that's because he thought his authority was safe or he was just so oblivious to his own tasting personality. It's hard to tell it. Probably is the latter because he seemed to think that he was a great guy and he could never understand why people were so annoyed atom. But that is what it is. So Fletcher Christian. Got Sick of it. He planned to do the mutiny on his own. But then some other crew members got wind of it somehow over the course of a night and day to must have been tired of the situation he gets a gun and then a couple other crew members were able to grab some guns and they just stormed into bligh's cabin grabbed while he was asleep and marched him up on the deck holding a cutlass to his throat and saying that they were going to take over the ship and nobody should fight back or the captain's GonNa die type of situation. It seems like a lot of it was they were personally annoyed at captain. Bligh like I said it seems after the fact maybe some of them joined in the mutiny. Because They Miss Tahiti too which I think the movie gets into that aspect of it a little more so But that does seem to have been an underlying factor for some of them. Maybe not for all of them with a movie doesn't imply that not all of the crew. Were involved in the mutiny. And you mentioned that as well. It seems like from what you're saying. Maybe even less of less people were involved in the mutiny. Then the movie shows I'm I don't I should have counted. I didn't actually count. How many people it shows involved in the mutiny in the movie but we do seeks a split with some people following Christian and some people following Captain Bligh but then captain bligh and his followers are set free in the open ocean and the bounty just sales on. Is that what happened after the mutiny? Yeah that's a pretty fair summary of how it played out. I'm trying to remember. I think there were forty six people on board the Bounty Total. The mutiny plays out like you said and there were a smaller handful who were immediately onboard. They wanted to take over the ship and kick off the captain. There were a portion of the remainder. Who weren't sure what to do either. They couldn't believe what was happening or they just weren't sure who was going to come out on top so they were waiting to see what side they be on the right side exactly league which is kind of tacitly. Joining the mutiny. Guess and then there was another minority. Who weren't going to be part of it no matter what and they would have defended their captain except they had no weapons at hand and you know they'd have immediately been killed if they tried to fight back so the mutineers they took the ship's launch which was just this tiny boat like twenty some odd feet long maybe six or seven feet wide a very small boat. They took captain bligh and they took eighteen other crew members. Who didn't want to take part in the mutiny? And they forced nineteen guys into this tiny boat. Put Him over the side and just like you said. Drop them off. In the open ocean there were a few crew members who even when the boat was that full. They wanted to get off the bounty. Because they didn't want to be part of the mutiny but there was no room left like they literally have been consigned themselves. Everybody else to die because the boat would sink. It just was too heavy at that point. There were twenty five men who stayed on board the bounty afterwards and nineteen left. Most of the twenty five were fine with being there. There were a small handful who were forced to stay. I think they made the carpenter. Stay on board even though he wanted to leave because they needed his skills to keep the bounty afloat so self interested for sure then when they put the tiny boats launch over the side those nineteen guys had about five days worth of food and water and then they were just left out in the open ocean so even though they didn't kill bligh immediately it seems like they were hoping that's what would happen and they did their best to speed it along. They didn't want to be responsible for actually doing it but pretty much doing it. Yeah well in the movie we see captain. Bligh is on the boat with his followers as I'll call them. He ordered his men to go some thirty six hundred miles away to bang or and from there than his plan is to head to England. We never really see their voyage. We don't see that in the movie but we do see Captain Bligh later on in England so I guess we can assume that they survived. He stands trial before for his actions. But they absolve him of his deeds. They make it a point to say that captains they point captains from gentlemen because they will never be codes that cover every situation and in this case the appointment of Captain. Bligh was a failure. So how well did movies show? What happens to Captain Bligh after the mutiny again? They they really fast forward through a lot of the details and I get it for time's sake because they were compressing this whole long saga down into the movie format. So it makes sense being set adrift in that tiny launched. There was a pretty harrowing experience for a lot of those guys. It's really is one of the greater feats of navigational history. Just because of the situation they were dropped into. They weren't planning on it somehow. It seems like Bligh's personality was more well suited to that really tenuous situation where somebody just had to be in control no matter what. Make all the shots and nobody else really was in a position to talk back to question authority given you know where they were he somehow. He seems to have shown more in that situation than he did. As captain of the bounty they had to travel those thirty six hundred miles to Bangor. That wasn't quite the initial plan. But it's what they wound up doing. They tried to put in at some smaller islands along the way but there were native populations that were hostile to them. So they were able to snatch some food and run basically but they weren't gonNA get help that way. They weren't going to get any kind of actual safety. I think one of the crewmen was killed by natives as they tried to escape one of the islands there so they wound up having to travel those. It's about four thousand statute miles like miles on land. So it's a little longer than we would think even although thirty six hundred miles is difficult to conceive of. They were on starvation rations because they had no food. Which is one ounce of bread and a quarter pint of water per day effectively? Nothing so just the fact that they survived. This whole thing is amazing. They did make it though. They had to navigate through some uncharted territory to get there because where the bounty dropped them off and then making it over to the nearest European settlement. I guess I think it was the Dutch settlement in Bangor where they knew they could find safety. They had to travel through some of those uncharted territories that the bounty was initially planning to travel through on their way back home so since they had to go that way blind tried to salvage as much as he could one of the crew men when they put them over the side of the bounty had given him logbooks and given him pen and paper so as they're in this tiny open boat with no room to even like breathe turnaround. Captain Bligh's taking charts taking logs. He's documenting everything they find and see on this thirty six hundred mile journey which is also strange to think of. They did make it eventually. I think it was about forty eight days. It took them to go from being put over the side to making it to the Dutch settlement. And somehow or other all of the men survived except for that one who was killed by natives on an island with five days of water and it ended up being forty eight days and they. I mean granted. You know. I'm sure water was also a top priority on some of those islands as well. Yeah they they were able to supplement the supply a little bit but not to any degree that was it just was enough to barely keep them alive and still be able to navigate. I mean not just barely alive but barely alive and navigating thousands of miles of water. Yeah I think one of the crewmen who was stuck on the bounty but still was on the side of captain. Bligh manage to get them a compass to. I believe that was one of the items that they got in the launched. So with without some of those items yeah. They probably wouldn't be able to navigate like they did. What's interesting that you talk about? How little water. They had because a thinking of the way. The movie portrays it even before leaving the bounty there was this ration on the water and some of the men seem like they were almost dying on the bounty because they weren't allowed water and granted you you mentioned. That wasn't necessarily the case but it's interesting. They show that because based on what happens after that if they were down to that little amount of water per day on top of even before leaving the bounty having almost dying there and then you know that would surely put them over the edge and it's just it's tough to to fathom that's a good point. I'd same for me. It is impossible to think about because now we we don't really have to even think twice about how much water you wanNA drink. Well that's captain Bligh's side but then in the movie after the mutiny. We see the man on the bounty. Take her back to Tahiti. That's the first place they go. They go there to get more supplies. But then there's some dial we find out are. They can't really stay there because they're afraid that if captain bligh does manage to survive. That's the first place that he's going to go is to go back to Tahiti and look for these men. The king's daughter that Lieutenant Christian didn't really talk about this earlier but earlier Lieutenant Christian kind of fell for her earlier in the movie. She tells him to sense their last visit. There's been a war. There's a new chief. And then she asks if some of the men and women can go with them on the bounty and on the bounty side Lieutenant Christian now has a smaller crew because some of the men went with Captain Bligh. So that's kind of how the movie sets up that. There's GonNa be some Tunisians leaving on the bounty when they actually leave there and when they do that they end up finding an island called pitcairn and this was an interesting little scene in the movie when Lieutenant Christian he sees the lands but then he goes to look at his maps and he realizes that this island is chartered. Wrong the official maps for the British Navy that they have show this island being about one hundred and seventy five miles away from where actually is meaning. It'd be a great place to hide out because everybody thinks it's in a completely different location. And once they actually get to this island they find out that the island is uninhabited. Which makes it even better. So is that the path that they ended up actually taking the movie shows going from Tahiti. Picking up some natives and then managing to find this uninhabited incorrectly charted island named care the broad strokes that is about how it played out there some intervening details that are slightly different that explain some of the details of how people ended up where they did and I'll try to fill those in somewhat concisely. So the main goal they did wind up back into hedy. They tried to settle on a different island that was about. I don't know a couple of hundred miles south of Tahiti. That was their first attempt. That didn't work out partially because they didn't have many supplies there. There were some natives on that island already who also didn't want guys setting up shop. So they got in some skirmishes. They wound up. You know fighting some battles with his native son. I think the island was called Tube. Y They set up a little for their. If I remember right and then they went back to Tahiti with part of the crew staying on the southern island. They picked up to he shins from the island. There some men. I think who wanted to help them build on the Southern Island. But they also picked up all the women who had been their wives previously. They brought some of them back to this other island and they tried to set up a call on either effectively. But it still didn't work so then they all got back on the bounty and went back to Tahiti. And I guess that's kind of the movie cuts out that Middle Part. They tried to make some other attempts. That just fell through. They wind up back into hedy. And it's pretty clear at that. Point that Fletcher Christian doesn't want to stay there but others of the crew do want to stay there that it seems like Christians Authority weakened. Pretty fast after the mutiny. He was able to hold it together but this failed attempt on the other islands. Probably got people at odds and two camps developed out of those who had taken part in the mutiny. Once they made it back to Tahiti Fletcher Christian and the people who wanted to leave to hedy. Were on board the bounty at night time. They were at anchor somewhere in the harbour. There and the rest of the men were on the island. He let them go onto the island with the understanding that they could stay there but he had no plans to stick around at nighttime. A bunch of the Tahitians were on board the bounty some of them. You know wanted to be there as others of them. Were they're just taking part in a feast or something and Fletcher Christian? Cut The anchor and just left. So he basically absconded from the island with a handful of tuitions who didn't want to leave and he took them as captives almost. So that's a little bit of a window into how he operated that they didn't necessarily show in the movie. Sixteen out of the original twenty five mutineers wound up staying onto hedy. So nine of them including Fletcher Christian left. And then that's where pitcairn comes into the story and as you related that. That is pretty accurate. I how did you say the movie depicts? They see land and so he goes to the map to see what it is and he notices that. At that point the island is a hundred and seventy five miles from where it actually is because they can actually see the island and so that's when he realizes there's this mismatch that's right. I think the way it played out in reality is maybe slightly flipped from that. But I guess it doesn't make any effective difference because the island was mischarging about two hundred miles from where it actually was. And the way that the charts had worked I think only one expedition had drawn the original chart that put pitcairn in that position. Then every subsequent chart in all of Europe that any navigator would have had was based on that original so literally every chart in existence. It was not where should have been. Fletcher Christian saw that there. Was this tiny island. Out of the way on his version of the chart they went to sail towards pitcairn because they thought it might be an option for a place to hide out. I think they knew. By this point that there was a high likelihood Had survived and that there might be you know people from the navy come looking for the people who had led the mutiny. So they wanted to get as far off the scene as they could. Pitcairn was pretty far off. But then when they got to wear Fletcher Christian thought it was going to be. There was nothing there. He's a seasoned navigator though so he realized that the most likely mistake on charting in Ireland like that was that they had just gotten the longitude. Wrong latitude is a whole lot. Easier to calculate when you're drying chart like that so he just sailed east two hundred miles along the same line of latitude and once they got two hundred miles to the east on that same line they ran straight into the island so that confirmed that it was wrong on all the charts and they WANNA P- stand there because they assumed nobody else would find that for quite a long time. You mentioned that they thought that perhaps captain bligh might have survived. Was there any sort of indicator that might have given them that idea? I don't think there's any indicator that they would have had themselves. I don't think that they'd had any contact with the outside world. Still by this point probably just trying to play it as safe as they could. I guess they knew that Captain Bligh was very skilled navigator and they when they put the launch over the side. They weren't too far away from some of those smaller islands. So it's thought that maybe they like we said earlier they they didn't want to kill bly. And the other crew members outright. They set them adrift in the Ocean. But they knew We're Kinda close to lands. They might just make it there and somehow or other. They'll find their way back even if it takes a long time okay. Yeah and I imagine. There's going to be a fair amount of just the paranoia of knowing that you've done something like mutiny and always looking over your shoulder that is gonna come with that. Yeah that's probably a big part of it too and the movie does portray that element of it. Pretty good speaking of the movie at the very end. We see Lieutenant Christian. He's thinking about going back to England. He suggests that if captain bligh survived. The only way he's going to be charged for his actions is if there's another side to the argument right now if capitalize only one there then it's only going to be his side of the argument and of course that's going to be a pretty one sided and make sense the way that the movie portrays that but then the crew doesn't WanNa leave pitcairn. They found this Paradise Island so one night they go out and burn the bounty while it's anchored in the Bay Lieutenant Christian tries to stop the fire but he's burned badly. He ends up dying on the beach. Just as the timing of this and the movie. Of course I'm assuming is going to be Hollywood again. He dies on the beach just as the ship sinks to her final resting place as well but what do we know about how the movies version of the story lines up with the way that the real story ended for the bounty and her crew? This one's probably going to be a long answer. Because you know as as we've gotten up to this point where we saw the mutiny play out. We're almost to like three different strands of the story. Now so it takes a little bit to wrap it up. There's one random tidbit As you mentioned that Hollywood scene ending where he dies on the Beach in the ship sinks in the background I was reading a little bit after I watched the film again and I I never realized but they built a full replica of the bounty ship for the movie I think. Mgm Funded The whole thing. And they've built it. According to the original plans that were still somewhere in England. It was scaled down a little bit to make it work for the camera crews and filming everything but I read that the original plan was they. Were GonNA burn the actual replica for that final scene? Which I guess that would have looked pretty cool. It would have been more accurate. But apparently over the course of filming the movie Marlon Brando had grown pretty attached to the boat to the ship so he stepped in and said. You can't burn this thing like it's way too important. And they wound up burning a model or something. I think it looks like from the end scene so that was pretty interesting to me. I Brando like tried to buy the replica later on but he didn't have enough money to buy it by that point in his life. Oh don't don't burn this. I want it but I can't buy because I don't have enough money for it. Yeah there's a whole weird like saga that ship replica. They built for the movie. But that's totally unrelated. That's interesting that you know. He's he's playing the character of Christian. That obviously doesn't want the ship burned either. So it's kind of a little bit of parallels there I didn't think of that that's a good point. Okay so I guess. We'll try to tie up the three strands. We said that bligh they. They did eventually make it in that boat to the Dutch settlement. So I didn't really wrap his strand too much. He made it back to England. And he underwent the court martial like you said but after he was acquitted. And I don't know if the admiralty had any you know ill-will toward him they do have that line in the movie where they said they appointed captains. Who were able to make decisions and not just fall book. You read that one. I don't know for sure if they had any ill-will toward him there probably was some but probably I would assume through the influence of Joseph Banks who funded the whole initial expedition after he's acquitted gets entrusted with doing a second expedition back to Tahiti to do the whole thing over again. Basically since the first one had failed so he's acquitted and then he gets a second expedition ready and he goes right back to Tahiti after that all happens. You'd made it back to England in. The admiralty was aware that there had been a mutiny so they assembled the security force to go find the people who carried out the mutiny and bring them back to face justice. This expedition went back to Tahiti. They searched some other places on the way out there but they didn't find any crew until they got to Tahiti on the island there. They arrested everybody. Who was left from the mutiny? So I think it would have been all sixteen of those men and that ship they never did find pitcairn so I I guess go into that. Mischarging island did work out. Pretty well for Fletcher Christian. Those other guys because the navy expedition never found them. There's some more poetic justice I guess on the way back to England though this navy expedition who had the the mutineers basically in a cage. They had them imprisoned in the front of the ship. It wrecked on the Great Barrier Reef coming North around Australia. So I WANNA say like five or six of the prisoners died by drowning because they didn't open the cage fast enough. The captain on that ship was pretty harsh. Which I guess is to be expected when you think. Everybody took part in the mutiny. The problem is like we said not. Everybody was willingly part of the mutiny. Some of the guys were held there against their will so there was poetic justice for some. There was maybe a miscarriage of justice for others. They did eventually make it back to England with ten of these prisoners and they all underwent a court martial the same that Bly and the others did. I think four of them were fully acquitted because there was enough testimony to prove they didn't want to be part of it. Two of them were found guilty but because they had some influential family connections they received the King's royal pardon so technically they were guilty. They didn't get hung though. There were four others who didn't have those connections. I guess you could say. And they wound up sentenced to death by hanging. Which was the punishment for mutiny? So they had some ships in Portsmouth. Harbour there with all the admirals who came in to be part of the court martial and four men who took part in the mutiny. Were eventually hung from the arms of a ship. There in Portsmouth Harbour as punishment but as a symbol for all the people in the navy to see like this is. What happens if you mutiny against the Navy I would assume that would be one of the big reasons why the navy puts such effort forth to finding mutineers like that is to send a message that was definitely the the whole goal of that for them. Then I guess that leads to the third strand which is Fletcher Christian. Who knows maybe the main one who instigated the mutiny? Him and the eight other sailors. Who made it out to pitcairn. Nobody knew what happened to them for a long time. The navy expedition never found them. Nobody else did for eighteen years until the first outside European ship finally stumbled upon pitcairn island again and by the time they made their eighteen years. Later there's only one man from the original mutiny left alive. I don't know the exact number. But by that point he'd been living on the island for so long and a lot of the others who had gone there like Fletcher Christian even they. They came there with women from Tahiti. A lot of them had children with these women. On the island there was a colony of probably thirty or forty people living on pitcairn island by the time. I think it was an American ship that stumbled on the island. So let's get to be a weird thing to see when you're expecting an uninhabited barren island in the middle of nowhere. They're reported you know seeing smoke coming out from the trees and then they get there and the this weird colony of English speaking people but they look like they're twohey Schenn's the story. According to this one guy who was left alive is that Fletcher Christian was pretty Sullen. Once they got to the islands so in some respects I think the movie tries to portray that leading up to the mutiny and the whole aftermath of the money. It seems like maybe he was regretting. What happened a little bit or wondering how it could have gone differently? A lot of the details. They don't have but once these nine men and their entourage to call all the people that they had taken to the island once they made it. Their things devolved pretty quickly. Maybe they were okay. At first but over a period of a couple years the men who had taken their unwillingly and rightly so they felt like the English crewmen were just using them like slave labor because they were they also felt like they had stealing Tahitian women to use his wives and nothing else which is also because they exactly so some of the things that played out. I think were foreseeable. There came to be a lot of conflicts between the English sailors but also between the two men a it seems from what we can tell Fletcher Christian just was murdered by one of the Tahitian men. One day they don't know for sure but that's the story that this lone survivor told. Then there were further conflicts. Where maybe there were bigger battles. I guess even though it's just a handful of men on either side but eventually it got pared down to whether it's just one man remaining on this tiny island so it's a little bit of a strange dynamic to how that all played out. Did they actually burn the ship? Then they did. They did and that was another thing that this lone survivor said. It seems like that may have been the plan early on pitcairn islands kind of Iraqi small islands. So there wasn't a good harbor to keep the ship safe in from his account. Got There and pretty quickly after the got to the island. They unloaded all the stores from the ship. They left it. Sit at anchor there for a little bit. But they didn't have any concrete plans to ever leave again so he gave different stories at different times depending on who he was talking to whether they all agreed to burn the ship whether it was accidental he did tell the version of the story that two men snuck out there at nighttime and they burned it and everybody else was surprised. So it's not entirely clear how the ship burned just that it did and they did actually find remnants of the ship there off the island in the sixties fifties or the sixties and. They've pulled up. You know there were a couple small cannons on board the ship. It wasn't a big ship by any means but they have found artifacts from there off the coast of the island so it sounds like to kind of wrap that side of it up that the ship did burn for one reason or another but it sounds like the most inaccurate part of the way the movie portrays it is how. Lieutenant Christian died trying to stop the ship from being burned. It sounds like there was more of a dynamic there with the others on the island of the Tisches in particular that movie. Of course just never even touches or never even gets into like. We've been saying it's all a bit too complex for the movie to fit all of those different strands in and to have a narrative that that's easy to follow so I get why they didn't get into it. I mean maybe some of it is the the sixties Hollywood perspective on some of these stories to and you know cutting out. Certain perspectives from native twohey. Shins or stuff like that. They didn't try to cast as wide angle on the different interests. Involved in in a story like this. I think some of the way that the story comes down though and maybe this is the last thing I'll say without trying to make it too complicated. It's a weird evolution of the story. Because of how the court marshals played out and the way that the mutiny played out you get bligh's side of the story back in England to wear. He didn't really do anything wrong. It was just these horrible sailors who didn't want to listen to his authority and they just wanted to go back to Tahiti because all the women seduce them and they wanted the easy life thus kind of how he portrays it but once these captives who had once the mutineers who had stayed on Tahiti they were then captured by the navy and brought back. Their side of the story is the side where Bligh's the bad guy he's like punishing everybody so far above what the navy allows for. He's a tyrant and they were just trying to save themselves from his tyranny. Right the way that that story all emerged was because one of the mutineers who had the family connections he was the one who got acquitted with the Royal. Pardon has brother was a lawyer in England and he had more connections with politicians and other wealthy people so he did this whole years long campaign in the press writing books to like defend his brother. And that's really where emerges that Fletcher Christian is the hero of the story and William Bligh's villain. Some of the elements in that version are true. A lot of the underlying facts are true. But it's more in the colors of how things are portrayed and the things that are left out of the story where you get a one sided portrayal in one way or the other. I'm curious I mean you're GonNa have multiple sides to the story but we know how it ended for some of those mutineers who were hung to set an example for others. Was there anything. That's the navy found. Captain Bligh did that. They wanted to almost set an example for other captains to not be so torturous of their crew members. That's something I've been curious about too and I really haven't seen too much that the navy at least officially indicated that they wish would have been done differently. Maybe that's because they would kind of be admitting that they were at fault a little bit. If they admitted that captain bligh played a part in what happened. Preserving just the chain of authority. I guess a little bit. So they have to back up their captain. That might be part of it. Nothing springs to mind honestly where. They said that he did anything wrong. In any way it's more so the events later in his life that continue to keep occurring that I really briefly alluded to at the beginning that those I think have solidified that his personality was abrasive. He was a hard man get along with. He could have made better judgment calls that might have avoided some of these incidents that later. Blew up into a mutiny. He was on the second expedition back to Tahiti. Most everybody got along with him but there was one sailor who ended the expedition. Like vowing to hate captain bligh for the rest of his life. But I didn't find much detail about what was beneath that whole animosity there. He was involved in another mutiny later on. I think that wasn't necessarily his fall. It was more of a political labor dispute almost between Alon of crewmen at at various porch and but he was still a captain on a ship so he got swept up in this bigger thing but technically he will still involved in another mutiny. Well technically this wasn't his fault. Either right you hear his account right exactly well then the final Straw in his whole life sog. I guess he did get selected to go. Be The governor of New South Wales which was a colony in Australia. I think because he still had some political connections even later in his life. This was like twenty years after the bounty thing he gets down there. And he's there for a while but that whole endeavor on his par ended poorly the colonists in New South Wales and then a whole contingent of soldiers in the colony wound up just arresting him. And saying you're not going to be the governor anymore. He basically had. It's not a mutiny. I guess because it happened on land and he was a governor but it seems like some of the same tensions were beneath the the whole way that that scenario played out so long story short. I don't know that the navy ever admitted too much. When it comes to the bounty mutiny. But there's enough there in later life that maybe they should have that might have avoided further incidents down the road. Yeah it sounds like a lot of how much we believe the story itself. We have multiple versions of the story from Captain Bligh as well as the crew but it sounds like looking back on it through a historical Lens. A lot of which sides we believe have come from later expeditions and him being the common denominator with a lot of these things. I think that was a big factor in it. The only other thing that springs to mind that I've read is the timing of how the court marshals played out. We said that lie went on that second expedition back to Tahiti after he got acquitted while he was gone for a period of years. That's when the ship who arrested the mutineers came back to England and they all underwent their trial. So there is that element of all the men who were found. Guilty of the mutiny. He wasn't even around to give his side of the story but there was just not that overlap where both sides could give their part and a supposedly impartial. Third Party could try to get to the bottom of it at the same time. It wound up being. Just they're competing narratives got swept up in the popular press of the day almost and that kind of took things and ran with it to a large degree. Thank you so much for coming on to chat about mutiny on the bounty. I know you've got a ton more history on your podcast. A little bit of information about your show and where someone listening can't find it. Yeah definitely and thank you for having me on. I enjoyed talking about all this bounty stuff. That's pretty interesting. Yeah so the podcast that I put together. It's called the maritime history podcast. It's a descriptive name. It's not very original or exciting. I guess but anything. Maritime history is what I try to cover. That's casting the net rather broadly. My website is just maritime history. Podcast DOT COM. You can just search for the name of the podcast on itunes or spotify or wherever it's available pretty much all the podcast catchers that are out there were about forty episodes deep right now and I'm a sucker for the details and the deep facts of history so we've really been stuck ancient history only right now. We are talking about ancient Greece so we just covered the battle of Salameh's and the try reams all that kind of interesting battle stuff but we've we've also talked about ancient Egypt and some of the icons and the various boasts that have been found by the pyramids. Stuff like that. And we've also talked about the Phoenicians so a lot of Mediterranean history so far great. I'll make sure to add a link to your podcast in the show. Notes for this episode is about. Thanks so much for your time. Brandon thank you. I had a good time. This episode based on a true story was produced by me. Dan Lab. I'd like to thank Brandon Humor for his time and expertise and helping US separate fact from fiction in the movie mutiny on the bounty. If you WANNA learn even more about history on the high seas go check out. Brandon's great podcast. Called the maritime history podcast and of course if you're driving or unable to get there right now then. I'll make sure to add a link to Brandon podcast and the show notes for this episode as well as on the shows on the web based on a true story. Podcast DOT COM. Okay now it's time for the answer to our two truths and a lie game from the beginning of the episode and as a refresher here are the two truth and one life number one captain bligh was not really the captain of the bounty number two. Not all of the mutineers left. Tahiti for pitcairn number. Three Lieutenant Christian was killed after trying to save the bounty from burning. Did you find out which one is ally? Let's start with number one captain. Bligh wasn't really. The captain of the bounty. That is true as Brandon explained. Even though bly was in charge of the bounty he hadn't officially been given the rank of captain in the Navy by the time the bounty set sail but he did hold the duties of the captain so even though he didn't have the rank he was still in charge number two. Not all of the mutineers left. Tahiti for pitcairn. That is also true. Brandon explained that some of the mutineers stayed on Tahiti that means only a few of them went to pitcairn with Lieutenant Christian and also means those who were left onto. Hiti were arrested. Once the navy came to the island and they were the ones who were taken back to. England put on trial and held accountable for their part in the mutiny. That means the lie is number. Three Lieutenant Christian was killed after trying to save the bounty. From burning as brandon told us we really only know what happened to the mutineers on pitcairn from the one surviving crew member that made it until ships found the island again. Many many years later he did say the ship. The bounty was burnt although he told multiple versions of the story at different times. So it's hard to know which to believe. As for Lieutenant Christian it would seem some of the -tations who went with the bounty crew to pitcairn grew unhappy to the point of killing Christian. 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S04 Episode 13: Lost in Stormy Visions (Pt.3 of 3)

Unexplained

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S04 Episode 13: Lost in Stormy Visions (Pt.3 of 3)

"Hello i'm richard mclean smith the creator of unexplained and i'm extremely excited to finally be able to announce the upcoming publication of my book for the u._s. and and canada featuring tenue real life events from around the world to continue to evade each chapter goes deeper than i have on the podcast into not just the story itself but the science theory and philosophy we can learn from it. What can an apparent demonic possession teachers about free will what can the case of the poltergeist tell us about the human need to tell stories and what can a haunted box. Tell us about how we construct reality publishing on october first last two thousand nineteen you can preorder your copy of unexplained from amazon bonds and noble and india bound and keep an eye out on my website twitter and facebook feet for more exciting announcements <music> <music> <music>. You're listening to unexplained season for episode. Thirteen lost in stormy visions part three the rigging tapped lazily against the ship's mast as the vessel rocked gently back and forth while strewn all across the top deck the bodies of its crew lay stretched out and unmoving adding onto the gray formless cloud above down below an exhausted john white the contours of his bones clearly visible through his clothes stirred in his bunk his desiccated hung probing feebly at his cracked and bleeding lips as he drifted in and out of consciousness only six weeks before governor white had clambered aboard would spices fly boat hoping for a swift if to journey to england before heading back to roanoke island but the omens had not been good within minutes of boarding the vessel twelve the fifteen strong crew were badly injured due to a malfunctioning anchor mechanism that snapped back on them as they tried to bring it up eventually they were forced to cut the anchor loose entirely with only half the crew able to function properly the ship just made it past the ause when the wind completely -pletely ceased to blow the days they drifted until finally storm clouds began to amass on the horizon. Unfortunately the the ensuing gail only succeeded in beating them back to where they had just come from it would be almost a week before they were able to continue on their way the for the wind to once again desert them with the ship becalmed two men drop dead as the rest subsisted on dregs of beer uh and wine lees until finally they too were exhausted after weeks adrift on the ocean with the men barely strong enough tallit their heads a gray smudge who spied on the horizon with no one daring to believe that could be land it wasn't until days later when the smudge had shifted into something genuine form that they realized they were saved having no idea where they were it. It was with some relief when the sailors caught wind of irish accent coming from the shore after drifting for the best part of the month the men finally finally made landfall on october sixteenth within four days of arriving another three crew members die and three others be taken paradis eratosthenes. Ill three weeks later governor john white pretend to london. It's the walter. Raleigh's raleigh listened with barely concealed contempt with white did his best a to explain the colonies predicament for a man so used to getting his own way. It was simply impossible to fathom how on earth white had allowed simon fernandez ndas to abandon the colonists on roanoke island to make matters worse a supply ship with everything the settlers would be needing to survive the winter with already on route to chesapeake bay the ship. Judy arrived at the bay only to find nobody there and promptly returned to england and worse was to come while white had been away tensions between the english and spanish crowns had been steadily increasing now on the brink of war queen elizabeth at issued a ban on any ships travelling without her permission lest they needed to mount an attack on her enemy white was devastated. It had been three months since he left america and even if raleigh could get permission to send a second supply ship it it would be at least another two months before it could get to roanoke being equally dismayed at the situation raleigh nonetheless agreed to seek permission from mcqueen to send a second supply ship to the stranded settlers a week before it was due to set sail however the weather deteriorated so severely that it wasn't until spring the following year that its crew were confident enough. They could make the trip then just as white with finally about to set that sale the queen received word that narmada of well over one hundred ships set sail from spain planning to mountain invasion of england and white specials with julie confiscated and the fleet's captain richard grenville ordered to report to francis drake who was overseeing seeing the naval defence of the country pleading with raleigh once again white eventually succeeded in securing two penises to make the journey instead dead small vessels that ordinarily used to take passengers of a larger vessel to the shore though undoubtedly a risk whites had little option but to make do with what he had after procuring a crew finally he was on his way back to america barely a week into the journey to whites dismay to galleons was spotted on the horizon as they drew closer the crew discovered with the law that the ships from spain in the end. It could've been worse after only taking their supplies. The admirals of the spanish vessels allowed john white and his crew to return to england on july nineteenth. The king of spain's fleet was spotted off the southwest west coast of england in response. A series of beacons were lit in quick succession delivering a message by fire all the way to london that the country was under attack the war began and with it any hope that governor white hat of returning to roanoke island had vanished by by august the king of spain's armada was defeated however walter raleigh who spent the best part of the summer overseeing the english crown's colonisation of ireland island would not return to england until march fifteen eighty nine. It was some time in march. The following year that white who incredibly had refused is to give up hope got wind of local merchants plan to send three trade ships the west indies the only problem being that with the country still at war aw the queen was refusing to give them permission to sail realizing also that this could be their last chance raleigh convinced the queen to let them travel on the proviso that they take john white to roanoke island and so it was that on march twentieth fifteen ninety two years and seven months since he had last seen his daughter eleanor and granddaughter virginia white stepped aboard the hopewell for one final attempt to get back to them the catch being the teach captain in the fleet had every intention of making the most of their journey before heading to america white would have little choice but to dig in and pray that he would make it out alive over the next few months the fleet attacked and raided two spanish spanish fly boats before later being shot at by spanish defenses when drawing to close to the island of saint john alighting at another island soon after the crew of white boat burned a spanish settlement to the ground two men were abducted from the island of dominica to be kept as slaves on the hopewell but later managed to escape shortly before the ship was attacked by a spanish galleon resulting in a four hour gun battle against four hundred sailors and that was only the half of it after numerous other skirmishes and raids on vessels from france and spain including chasing three ships ed lee laden with treasure around almost the entirety of cuba. The admiral of the fleet captain cook finally called it a day in august having now been joined by john whites old friend edward spicer captaining the moonlight the fleet was ready to make its way to roanoke talk and soon they were approaching the southern edge of the outer bank passing. I the shores of kroto in island to the west first and then eventually as bright full moon the color of bone row steadily into the sky on august fifteenth the fleet arrived taught the coast of hatteras island nestled just a mile beyond it with roanoke that evening white eight watched with the combination of joy and utter disbelief as the telltale sign of campfire smoke rose up from within the island. He couldn't believe it. Could it be thought that the colonists had survived all this time having right later than hoped white would have to wait till i light before any attempt was made to find out that night as he lay awake in his bunk trying to imagine how his granddaughter oughta might look whether even he might have a second grandchild by now those that had been chosen to escort him to the island were restless to there was just no way they could still be there they thought and if it wasn't the colonists who made the fire just what else exactly might they find out there the following morning to boats loaded with men and headed out toward the panico sound white traveling captain cook's vessel while captain spicer took lead of the other i i they would need to carefully navigate their way through the outer bank a slow in treacherous journey owing to the unpredictable nature of the various sandbars channels hidden below the waves it was precisely for that reason that raleigh had suggested settling on roanoke in the first place since not only was it hidden in from the atlantic side put no worship could possibly get near it for white. It was utter torture watching as the pilots is cautiously negotiated their way checking and rechecking the depths around them every few minutes until finally they with through at that moment don't too loud cannon blasts could be heard from behind a prearranged signal from the hopewell to announce their arrival to the colonists white and the rest fixed there is on the island for any sign of movement near the shore but nobody came the smoke from the night before i'd also gone then cry uinta was once sailors spotted another trail of smoke this time rising from kim drivers mount a large watch sand june located roughly halfway down the outer bank between roanoke and crotone. It made sense thought white since it had been discussed i that the colony would move that way. Should things become complicated. Having yet to see more signs of life on roanoke white suggested to cook that they turned on the boat and head to kim dry mount to see what they could find a few hours later having more up just off the beach the man and jumped into the water and headed cautiously toward where the smoke was coming from picking their way through thick mesh of trees and scrub on constant alert. They arrived at the fire or rather what was left of it. Somebody had been there but they had long since moved on one with the two crews tired and exhausted. It was decided to head back to their respective ships for the evening before trying again for roanoke island. It was sometime around ten when they reached the opening of the outer bank to take them back through to the atlantic. <music> cook's vessel went i but quickly got into difficulty when a furious gale swept across the water taking the wheel cook wrestle title tirelessly with the boat as a series of ever-growing waves pummeled it from both sites with the rest of the crew furiously bailing out water cook managed finally to get through it was only when they were back on board the hopewell that they noticed spices boat being tossed violently about out on the turbulent waters cooks men could only watch horrified and helpless a spices boat with paste onto its side in one swift movement then with a second wave gliding into its site it was completely tipped over cooks crew washed on a some leapt from the vessel no into the sea while others clung on dear life until they too were finally overwhelmed and disappeared into the grey some tried to swim to the the nearest shore only to be beaten mercilessly back into the open water having seen enough captain kirk and four others jumped back into their boat and raced out to save their comrades. Seven men in total including captain spicer would drown back on board the ships chips that night the mood was understandably samba and some began to question the purpose of their trip. The titid being doomed from the start the next morning white with woken by a commotion on deck see for yourself said captain cook pointing toward roanoke smoke this time coming from the northern the nature of the island close to where the colonists fort raleigh had been established that evening captain cook brought his boat to the shores serrano stumbling from the vessel governor white sprinted up the beach hurting the rest of the men to follow but the men states still all concerned that something wasn't quite right cook agreed pointing into the trees white looked again at the wool maureen glow emanating from somewhere in the forest beyond that was no campfire not wanting lose any more of his crew cook suggested they make camp for the night and continue their journey in the morning just then one of the crew stepped forward and putting a trumpet to his lips blue a series of signals into the trees each being answered by nothing say for the sound of the waves sloshing against the sand. The men found to fire still burning the following day. It's limped flames looking at blacken into tree trunks while all about the ground the grass to was on fire it was as if journey at merely been taking them through one door after after another of hell and only now with a getting to the heart of it returning to the beach the men tracked to the island's northern edge until they spotted fresh footprints in the sand heading into the trees through this at white pointing to a pathway that would lead them straight to the fort but just as he was about to step forward. He felt sudden profound. Wait full upon him for three a years he had pined for this moment hoping every day to be reunited with his daughter but only now that he was here. Did he consider the worst and it was abundantly clear that either his people had left or they were dead. Perhaps he didn't want to see what might be waiting for him. But the settlement looking up he was suddenly distracted by something on one of the trees. Do you see that he asked cook stepping forward he held out his hands and brush them against the trunk along the edges of what were clearly three letters coughed coughed into its bark c. r. o. croat toan he whispered under his breath before rushing headlong into the florist <hes> when white and finally arrived at the fort it was some relief to find it completely deserted no sign at the settlers nor there remains the place the chain significantly since white had last been there with all the houses having been destroyed or removed entirely and all about it a heavily fortified fight palisades section made from large tree trunks had been installed as if the settlers had been preparing for a raid then and he saw it the word crotone in full this time clearly carved five feet up from the floor into the bark of a large wooden in post white looked frantically for any sign of a cross carved above it assigned that the colonists had been forcefully run out but he found oh non white sunk to his knees with relief as he explained to captain cook soon after this was the prearranged signal signal between him and the colonist a message to tell him where they'd gone. Should they have to leave. The men investigated the rest of the ruined fault what they found a number of heavy materials stacked up in a pile that had presumably been thought unnecessary to take with them. A series of large wooden within chests were found to dug out of the ground with their contents long since destroyed by the weather scattered all over the floor white white bent down to peel a piece of paper from the ground on it was the illustration of sokoto that he had painted years before it was all his stuff the colonists had buried it in case he should ever return just then thick dark clouds began began to swell above as large drops of water cascaded down upon them. It was time to head back to the ship by the following following morning. A full on storm raging cook ordered the crew to set sail for kroto in ireland but no sooner had they weighed anchor then the cable <music> snapped sending the ship on a perilous collision course with the shore then by sheer luck the ship was suddenly pushed into a deep channel and maneuvered away from the outer bank back into the atlantic leaving cook deeply shaken running dangerously low on food and fresh water water and with only one anchor left to more the vessel cook realized any attempt to reach kroto in would be a suicide mission and despite white's desperate pleas cooks mind was made up they would sail to the caribbean to repeal then come back for the colonists those on the moonlight devastated by the loss of seven of their crew decided instead to head straight back to england <music> weeks later the storm wins had forced the hopewell not the caribbean as planned but all the way to the rules and when the winds failed to change cook putting the safety of his vessel and crew. I made the drastic decision. They would not be going back to america america on october twenty four fifteen ninety john white was returned to england he would never again travelled to the do you world and the fate of his colony was destined to remain a mystery a this is known of just what became john white the former governor of the second english colony of roanoke island having been given up on ever finding his daughter and granddaughter or any of the other one hundred sixteen missing colonists including a second baby that was born out there as well. He's thought to have retired to island where he eventually died. In fifteen ninety four all colonists were officially declared dead led by english law based on the fact that the last known contact with them being more than seven years previously though he was never registered as such monteiro was also assumed to have died the ruling was of particular shop to rally as this also marked the end of his contract with queen elizabeth elizabeth entitling him. Any riches founded the new world without the colony. The contract was we'd assignment. Fernandez is who so brazenly abandoned the colonists roanoke island it has never been ascertained precisely what motivated him to do so some have speculated speculated however that he may have been deliberately trying to sabotage the mission as john white had suspected all along in her book roanoke i note solving the mystery of the lost colony right lee miller speculated queen elizabeth's had spy to francis walsum had enlisted fernandez. I wonder mine rallies attempt to establish the colony in america waltzing had become embittered overall his rapid rise into court of queen elizabeth. Simon fernandez is thought to have died at sea sometime. In fifteen ninety. Raleigh tried a number of times to locate the lost colony in order to validate his contract with elizabeth sending ships in fifteen ninety nine and again in sixty two but neither made it as far as roanoke talk or croat toan before being forced to return to england the sixty nine expedition did return with some intriguing news however rumors amongst the local communities of america that some of the lost colony were in fact alive and well and living with one of the east coast communities but by then rally was facing an uncertain future in sixty nine three queen elizabeth died and with the subsequent ascension action of james the i to the throne rally was stripped of all his rights and claims to the new world far worse in july of that year he was arrested and accused of plotting against the king though it i spent death to his services to the crown he would spend the next next thirteen years locked in the tower of london after being pardoned raleigh traveled to venezuela in search of eldorado the mythical mystical city of gold having been given permission by the king to do so on the one condition that he avoided any hostility with ships from spain when it was discovered that some of his men against rallies orders had violated this condition he was arrested on his return to england and this time time sentenced to death he was beheaded in october sixteen eighteen in the years since the disappearance of the colony at roanoke room has continued to abound about just what had become of them when the first formal english colony in america was settled at jamestown in sixty nine seven some of the settlers learned from people local to the area yeah that the roanoke colony had in fact been slaughtered by chief engineer people in revenge his murder it is often <unk> said that what is commonly known today as the united states has its origins in the hugely controversial settlement of jamestown although most to the english at the time talked with relish about the savages they had to endure and fight off while trying to establish the town in truth it success s. owed much to the generosity of local power tan people who when the colony was on the verge of dying out gifted the settlers their food to help help them survive in return. Thanks to the blank canvas but america represented to europeans who saw in it the opportunity to create new worlds foster new ideas and get monetarily rich the world and ways of those already native to it with broadly dismissed dismissed until it had been all but extinguished the plan of those who settled at jamestown was to establish another england in the distant land end in the end however the colony of jamestown and the people who eventually settled there would become only one of a vast array of different people people and ideas together would evolve into the nation. The temerity is today a place that was not born from one idea or one way way of life but from multitudes as for the fate of those early settlers at roanoke it said that in seventeen o one while conducting a survey of the mid east coast engineer john lawson found himself and could off the shore of crotone island having having made his way to land he was soon after greeted by what seemed to be a local community of native americans. Only they weren't like any he he had ever come across before their skin was a little paler. The hair less dark and there is unusually gray in color. These people claimed apparently that some of their ancestors more pale skinned. The nem had arrived one hundred years before four from a country very far away. 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Next Stop Everywhere 139: The Greatest Show in the Galaxy

Next Stop Everywhere: The Doctor Who Podcast

1:34:10 hr | 2 years ago

Next Stop Everywhere 139: The Greatest Show in the Galaxy

"Xtop everywhere uh-huh mm-hmm <music>. Hello everyone welcome back to next. Stop everywhere. The doctor who podcast I'm Charles skaggs begging guitarists once again ray toxin doctor who some classic eighties doctor who which I'm really excited about an even more we're excited about because this time special guests companion is none other than my ghost would co host with the most San sprouse welcome to next up everywhere how you doing hero. I'm good how are you. I'm excited to be here in the hardest with you tonight I am. We've just got done talking. I'm try really hard to stay focused and not like start talking twin peaks or David Lynch because I'm so used to talking with you on these Thursday nights and and here we are talking doctor who and <hes> it's GonNa take a little getting used to. It's a little weird but a pleasant weird for me because I've got one of my I got one of my favorite people talking doctor who do and you were kind enough to help us out as a special guest companion so thank you for doing that anytime you need help talking about Dr who I am here for you Jarl. Oh don't give me that option because like sand you WanNa Talk Walkabout Canine Company but <hes> okay so <hes> yeah everybody Zanan I obviously we do ghost with the twin peaks podcast here on the beloved. It's Southgate Media Group network and <hes> so if you enjoy his here together <hes> please check out that podcast and we'll give you some more information about that later on but right now we're GonNa talk work the greatest show in the galaxy the galaxy the galaxy and for you as you know to Kinda reset the old wrapping ringmaster wrapping ringmaster and and <hes> so this way to start this episode right people off yes in spite of him. It's it's pretty awesome yeah in spite of the wrapping ringmaster but <hes> yeah yeah so this was <hes> obviously this was written by Stephen Wyatt who also wrote the previous story Paradise Towers from Estra McCoy's first season drift by Alan wearing and this was the fourth cereal of season season twenty-five that aired in nineteen eighty eight some we're looking at what thirty one years now thirty one years because I think this aired I think the third like the last week of December and then bread in just almost thirty one years but still <hes> yeah so obviously the story has a lot of mileage and hey so do I because I watched it back in the day and <hes> this is starring of course Sylvester McCoy as the seventh doctor and Sophie all dread as Dorothy Ace McShane so yes yes <hes> of course there Dorothy McShane was revealed during the <hes> novels that came out the new adventures. Remember those from back in the day way back after the show was canceled. I do too <hes> written by Paul Cornell and Mark Gatiss and all kinds of cool people back then they were actually really cool all those new adventures novels <hes> didn't Terry Nation rates to he wrote <hes> some of the doctor who episode adaptations that he did the adaptations okay you know like the Dalek stories that he wrote <hes> <hes> yeah he wrote some of the novelization for those target yeah the granddaddy of the daleks story Experi exactly yeah we had a lot of fun we talked <hes> Genesis dollar not too long ago the origins origin story Alex yes and and an precursor to the trump administration go figure episode ever right but <hes> yeah so this is. This is an episode that story that Oh you recommend Zan so <hes> when we get into that a little bit I'm kind of curious. Why did you recommend this particular story? When we're talking like you know we were talking seventh doctor in ace and eighties doctor? Who What did you suggest this? When I'm just curious about that well it was mostly because we were talking about this doctrine ace in I contend in the Internet can fight me on this that would it comes back they will they will yes would it when it comes to doctor? WHO's companions aces the best? One Ace is the most self sufficient. She is the most versatile she saves the doctor more than the doctor has to save her. I if she's my favorite she's she's not a screamer which is always good bonus points but that's the big she's she's very self sufficient to she's a mechanic and she can fix things and she knows very she this chemistry. She knows everything basically and I'll tell you a quick little story of years ago when I met my friends Oh my goodness this is this is like twenty five years ago at this point when I met my friend Carols Rica out when I I met her she said I I don't know if you know who I'm talking about. Your money a lot of ace from Dr Hoops and that is to date would have a top by compliments I've ever received in my entire forty three years of existing. That's pretty cool complement and I can see why I mean knowing you as I do. I think that's a pretty good comparison. I think that's pretty dead on Charles. Thank you very much as long as you don't go round exploding things with nitro nine canisters on of regular polygons just occasionally. I don't care around that backpack does yeah yeah I don't have that at my disposal. The time and this episode was my first exposure to ace. Okay okay so so this is your first seven doctor in a story yes so that's cool. That's that's an interesting one to kind of debut on so so so with that mind. What did you think since we were on the subject why didn't you what did you <unk> stink while watching that for the first time? What did you think of this characters well? I absolutely loved the characters I thought would would watch Dr who before right I had started before but keep in mind when I I saw this episode. I think it was probably ninety. Somewhere between ninety three ninety five can't tell you for sure when it was and this was before videotapes readily available and this is of course before d._V._D.. I mean it was videotapes for the only thing we had you could really fly episodes on videotape very easily. You KINDA had to know a guy that taped it so I pretty much saw Dr who when I saw Dr who a lot of auto insurer right and that was usually around ten o'clock P._M.. On Saturday nights on our local P._B._S. station which hearing Columbus's w issue and which is W._B._Z.. O._T. Forty two in Portsmouth. It's channel Donald Thirty four here. Can you tell them don't fundraising for them. So so all the people that you know like remember if you're old enough like me if you're older than dirt and you remember the pledge breaks during the middle of doctor to WHO ZAN was one of the people on the phones during this pledge breaks. If I recall correctly no not not often. I did it a couple of times what I mostly did. Where were those weakens do the last weekend of April and the first weekend in May with you lived in Columbus when when Dr who was just not own because we were doing the channel thirty four auction okay? That's what I did so so you so. You weren't interrupting doctor who because it wasn't on so that's we're honing doctor who we were so you were making people. Wait for dr who that's it. We replaced for like ten year yeah if you wanted to watch blake seven on Friday and Dr who on Saturday forget it because it's not happening because you basically be watching at home watching television going doctor who is an on again. Come on you killing me I would be I would be working the auction and saying oh I'm going to hear about this later. Doc and friends are GonNa Complain Typing doctor who from US why I want. I only saw on Saturday because I forgot that stupid. Auction was on starfish's T._v.'s cool mostly what I heard there was one time I got to class and my history teacher. He's like hey stand up for a second and I said okay he's come up to the front of class. Just sort of turn around a little bit you know just sorta turnaround real slowly said all right. He's like that's what you did on T._V.. Eighty last night because I was modeling clothes looking at apparently seeing that he wanted to you wanted to tell that's how he told me about it. Though thanks Larry thank you that Larry Larry Gay my history teacher from high school so when when you can only see Dr who when you could see also keep in mind that I was in high school and I was in college around this time so I had part time jobs or even before then I babysat so sometimes Saturday nights I was Kinda busy and it wasn't exactly the kind of thing that you could say hey mom and dad. I knew it Saturday night and your home wanting to watch something they can. You Not Watch something so I can take this T._v.. Show you can't stand you didn't have a V._C._R.. We share in your own room. I take it not not for a long time not until not so probably ninety not until ninety four so <hes> so I caught it when I called it and this was one that I hadn't seen doctor who in a while and I just happened to be home and it happened the beyond and it was this one and <hes> it was it was my first exposure to Sylvester McCoy and sophie all drive and I really liked. I loved her. I fell in love with her. She was she was so cool where she is sort of like she sorta tomboyish and she's sort of feminine and she could anything and she knows everything and she's she's just amazing and so so that's true McCoy was just such a lovable little cute doctor. It was like he's if Dudley Moore would have been doctor who would have been would have been like this. I think that's fair. I love his sweater so you're you're. You're one of the few people that actually liked the question mark sweater pullover question Mark Sweater and I love the question umbrella yeah see I love. I love the umbrella and actually I I kinda like I'm actually cool with the the the question mark sweaters well so the pullover took the it took the question marks Download lapels Peter David and took it away with it yeah so does that we all that was all John Nathan Turner the producer who insisted assisted once he took over as showrunner that says okay. We need the kind of brand doctor who a little bit so. Let's let's have this question Mark Motif with Dr who is why when Tom Baker in his last season he wears he starts wearing the question question. Mark Lapel in a shirt is last season because that was the season John Nathan Turner took over right and then of course Peter Davison with his cricket outfit lapels in <hes> Baker oppose so but yeah they just really went with it for by the time semester McCabe they just like okay question marks everywhere yeah and so this McCoy has that he has a good mix search of like Goofy da- jokes but he's also bad ass when he needs to be and he's he's not as he's a good mix of everybody because he's not as Cocky as Colin Baker was. He's more confident in cocky right especially she was she starts later his later episodes. He's more than manipulator exactly chestnut chess player. Yes the Plotter Schemer Yes yes universe Colin Colin Baker. He starts out with the sort of underhanded insults in this sort of pretentious cocking age has going on which for him I you know anybody. That's going to wear a coat like that has to be Kaka the walk right because you pull that off. You're not going to do that and then you're gonNA have. Everybody's attention you might as well go full out. You'RE GONNA go full out and then you have somebody like a Tom Baker with a you know who knows little thing <hes> <hes> and you have thought he was a good good mix everybody but also you know adding his own thing to. It and I just like I said I just loved as she hooked me. McCoy came from this kind of like stage stage performer type background <hes> and you know where he was kind of doing like a lot of physical comedy and so that's why in this story it's kind of interesting because this really place to that that strength here here because obviously when he's trying to entertain the gods of Ragnarok at the end in the final episode physical comedy. He's really doing them he did. I did a little research and apparently yeah they. They taught him how to do a lot of this magic tricks that we see him do especially Ashley for this story but he's he's a natural added. He knows how to do physical comedy. You know that's why you see him like you know swinging around on the <hes> the ropes across the circus ring and whatnot doing like this kind of very very Douglas Fairbanks style yes swings or whatnot and <hes> you know so he's a very and that's one of the things he brought to the role as he was one of the more physical doctors and that hint tied up upside down trying to get out of out of the three jacket while tied up his ankles him and cracking jokes while he's doing it because that's the stick back in the day on stage apparently that that was he was totally in his element. He loved doing WanNa Yeah Yeah. I'm sure sure you probably really enjoyed a lot of that. <hes> so <hes> so <hes> a little bit of trendless you know there's a little bit trivial WanNa talk about really quickly <hes> interestingly now teepee McKenna Cana. Who is the guy who plays Captain Cook in the story? He was a yeah the rather <hes> crushing bore Captain Cook <hes> he was actually considered considered for the role of the chief caretaker back in paradise towers so he was almost in that story and <hes> and then there's that little bit in when we were I start the episode for the story. <hes> we see as kind of rummaging around looking for her rucksack with nitro nine in it and she's laws was she. Come out of the closet with Tom Baker scarf. I love that stuff like that was a great district. Yeah there a couple times. Where were that happened? There's there's a that I just love like there's a there's a buster Keaton movie where he's a his father's trying to make him dress a certain way and the the man at the gentleman's clothing store case handing in half and eventually hand in Buster Keaton Pat himself in it and just panics takes it throws it off six like that or more recently when there was the when Fox ran the T._v. production of rent and they were going through close. They pulled out the sweater that the original mark were on Broadway and seventy was like Oh God no. I mean a lot of jokes on that yeah quoting clothing in jokes I dunno saver while district references and whatnot yeah yeah I don't know if you watch the fantasy island with Malcolm McDowell. I did actually thought that was kind of cool because it had that dark tone to it. I love that like like almost like a twilight zone type tone to it it very much like that and they're very step aside of that show. He's he's telling his his gentleman's gentlemen. Hey and disposed as dispose of this white suits are so dated and any sort of clothing roebuck. I think I think it's wondering because Malcolm were more black suits as opposed to the contrast yet to bonds. Yeah white suits yeah exactly so that was that was a fun this sort of closing throwbacks in Russia just comes. She's like underneath looking for something appendices wearing the scarf that you get a lot of those in doctor who when obviously when the doctors regenerating and he's looking for new outfit or she and starts rummaging through the wardrobe room like maybe pull out like okay Tom Tom Baker scarf for like Jon Pertwee's kind of velvet jacket or what have you and patrons for coat from the Yeti you know the abundance note man or whatever stuff like that so that's always kinda cool little nods to the past and when I did that <hes> now one of the things that kind of notable about this story before he gets start getting into our cast and whatnot wiz kid the rather annoying whiskey kit now obviously as a lot of people who are familiar with the story now whiz kid was intended as a shot at the fans doctor who fans he's essentially representative of the fan base which was very critical of Johnathan Turner's era and they felt that will hey. It's you know the show's not as good as it used to be which is so when whiz kid is talking about that later in the episode. That's a direct reference. Just you know like just having <hes> just that that that fan character of the stare at you know the stereotypical fan you know that feeling that well hey the shows now as good as it used to be and eh but I'm still interested I still collect all the stuff you know all nerdy and whatnot and then they take the great pleasure and then killing him off well in the process to go ahead. This kid likes to the whiz kid likes to talk about how how he knows everything about the psychic circus and you just want to say obviously not everything because you don't know that you're GonNa die to be fair here. That was kind of a late twist but that that's something that I think we see in Phantom a lot and I could go on a lot about this and I won't because we'll be here for days. I'm sure have a lot of fan horror more stories and whatnot so it's not even fans specific horror stories. It's just it Phantom in general. There's a there's a concept sometimes that fandom the deeper it goes comes with an allowance to be part of the production process where that you think you're part the bigger the fan you. Are you start to think you're part of the business and you know for something like comic books. It's the more you know about it the more using Oh they should do this this this this this or <hes> or his comic book says Comic Book Comic Book Guy On the Simpson says as a loyal viewer I feel they only that's sort of sense of being a part of the business sense of entitlement to the fan the Phantom of whatever you're in being in you're entitled to it being whatever you want it to do. This is a good example. I Love I collect everything. I know when you do this. I know when you did that. I have this poster this poster that post Rhino everything about it therefore the authority on on I'm an authority listen to what I say about it yeah but I'm obviously missing one huge huge part of the situation here and that's it. <hes> people go to the psychic circus but they don't ever come back. You missed that part. It's an important safety tip. Thanks he gun right in a good. I I think I think that I I sort of equate this to a lot of times when I'm trying to describe this to people if you're ever going to a concert in their somebody that yells out plea or whatever yell at their favorite song and the Nerdier the music fans the more obscure the song they they yell out and show they they're the authority in their fan from way back or what have you back. They have all of the bootlegs in the fees the rare singles and they know all the rare better than you are and they're better than you are and then they yell that out at a concert too you know too because they feel like they're entitled to hear what They WanNa hear and the person that I think described this. The best way is Jeff tweedy where he says we have rehearse to show for you. You might be yelling out a song that I don't have the guitar for or we don't have an instrument for. Or we haven't rehearsed in five years or what have you wouldn't go to a play. You know you wouldn't go to see thin but the opera and yell out. What's the buzz yes it's Andrew Lloyd Webber Flay? Yes what's the buzzers <unk> whatever song but that's when Jesus Christ superstar and not from Dan with the opera so you wouldn't do that so to think that you are entitled to interrupt a planned rehearsed show just so you can hear what you WanNa hear is is this sense of entitlement that makes me think because I'm a fan and part of this and you're part of the fan collective but you're not part of the you're not part of the creating process other than being an inspiration to someone who is inspired by the fact fact that he has fans and I think whiz kid is a good example of that like I know everything this one very necessary the win the one gap in his knowledge is the one that ultimately kills him as a result yeah so little irony there in that <hes> but yeah you're right. You're completely dead on about the entitlement the sense of entitlement that a lot of fans have and obviously we seen on the Internet where that leads so you were booby a perfect encapsulation of exactly what is going on with this kind of thing happened and point and points for a second Comic Book Guy Reference This this it was the same reiterated nicely done all right about fandom. He's a perfect able of what not to do exactly <hes> because obviously he's a caricature phantom as well just just like waste kid <hes> some of the guest cast in this episode. Let's run on this down. <hes> in Renton who played the chief clown in the story is all kinds of creepy <hes> he's notable <hes> in addition you know post <hes> later on for he in addition addition to doing a big finish audio <hes> which was also a seventh Dr Story called a death in the family with Sylvester McCoy. He played a villain named. Nobody no one in that story he's also recently on in in episodes of outlander on stars okay so that's going to be exactly little trivia tidbits about the little bit trivia the tin from this episode <hes> he cracked teats only this episode yeah when when the doctor gets well the the cage they keep all of the performers in <hes> it has a door that goes up and down with of course on a show Dr who were there is zero money that what he's done manually by two guys and he was leaving. Somebody dropped the door too fast got right on his head and he cracked two of his vaccine so yeah that was that was a rough one for him but he was rewarded at some point he he was named by the doctor who appreciation society is one of the best buildings I mean he was a great villain. I think if I remember in the doctor who magazine I think during that year that season poll that they do or they didn't <hes> he voted did <hes> best villain I think I think there were three and he was he was one of them in the end but yeah he cracks he cracked to back molars. When that thinks on back on the top of the head already mentioned teepee McKenna as Captain Cook <hes> Jessica Martin who plays mags <hes> the Werewolf in the story she <hes> she actually turned up in the modern new episode because she did the voice of Queen Elizabeth Elizabeth in voyage of the damned? You Watch that next time you hear Queen Elizabeth going you know talking like thank you Dr as the starship titanic flies right overhead <hes> just nearly a missing Buckingham Palace <hes> you can go. Hey that's mags from greater show in the Galaxy magazine Neon wear wool exactly she's remember you know. The royal family are wear wool. If you watched <hes> Dr who you'll know that exactly you know the ten factor and rose taught us that one one of my favorite tenth doctor and rose episodes with with Queen Victoria. That's a good one <hes> so just kind of cool. She also did another big finish. Seven Dr Audio audio just like <hes> in Renton <hes> she played a character named Janet Green in the story signs and wonders and then she also played deputy character called a Deputy Surveyor Sutton in a fourth Dr Big finish audio with Tom. Baker bigger and Louise Jameson called last of the Color Fon so she's continued to do more additional doctor who work and she's GonNa be actually reprising mags in <hes> for big finish audio. Yes that's Kinda cool very deserved she's doing. She's essentially going to becoming the seventh doctors companion for a few stories on unbuilt finish audio so that she's GonNa be. She'll be an audio companion as opposed to official T._V.. Companion opinion. I kinda hoped that she would go with him at the end of this episode right and you mean there's she's one of those like characters you know that have been scattered throughout doctor whose history that the almost become companions like you could see them becoming companions and you definitely see mags I think becoming a companion so yeah and so <hes> apparently big finish thought so as well and that's why they're kind of doing that so that's Kinda cool. That's coming up soon. <hes> Rico Ross us who played of course the wrapping ringmaster <hes> the rather notorious wrapping ringmaster he was in the movie aliens believe it or not he played played a character named private frost and he was also also a security guard in the nineteen ninety-six mission impossible movie the first one that with Tom Cruise. I have seen none of those okay yeah but <hes> they're good. I mean I know some people. Aren't Tom Cruise fans but <HES> if you're a mission possible fan unlike I am yeah so <hes> they're good action movies <hes> so that's that's my one. Tom Cruise Pass everything else I boycott but we'll watch the mission imposs- movies because a more loyal mission possible than I am Tom Cruise. I was tempted when God when Simon Pegg showed up yet he's he hasn't been in several movies. He plays Benji knows uh-huh and when when Philip Seymour Hoffman was in one I was like three that was good. He was good in that one too yeah so refilling Greenville still haven't still haven't given in. I've I've literally literally only ever seen like three. Tom Cruise movies. It's a worries judgment here now for me <hes> and also Rica Russell's in an episode of Babylon five which at that was kind of cool okay so because I'm a big Babylon five in so Christopher Gardner playboy. He's got a rather interesting trivia bid here. He played Frodo in the Lord of the Rings Animated Movie the One <hes> from Nineteen seventy-eight animated by Ralph Bakshi back in the day is that who that is okay semester master photo you sounded from. We didn't look familiar yeah. That's Bellboy degration the galaxy is that trickier what that's awesome better yet again until seen doctor who person until being until keen jeff like investor McCoy exactly because we know that McCoy obviously in the hobbit movies so that's very cool Daniel Peacock. I have to mention action because he played Nord in the story. You know the maker Guy. He's obviously notable most notable because he did the character he was the character bowl in Robin Hood Prince of Thieves. The Kevin Costner Robin Hood Movie Got Haven't seen nine year <hes> but the appealing to you. I'm sure he was the character of the dying man in the cabin in a young ones episode nasty so obviously is in dire both big young ones fan so I had to kind of mention that before we all right so that's our that's notable guest cast this time so I had run that down all right so let's get into our main topics so obviously obviously right off the bat topic number one. I want to talk about the the seventh doctor and ace so <hes> so the doctor once again <hes> trying to have ace confront her fears this time with a circus with clowns and <hes> obviously has some interesting results the doctors a little far more naive. I think about the whole circus thing <hes> with the now not oh by the end of the episode though once again is right exactly right and the doctor would be much better off if he's just listened to his companions and I got I gotta be honest with you. Charles junk look male were to come to my house in the form of a little tiny spider robots. I'd probably open in read more of it just because it tell ports and you don't have to go to the mailbox to get it. Little Spider. Robots showed up in by Luther going like hey you wanna save some money on gutter cleaning I'd be like I think I do spider robots so you don't think the spider robot would be too intrusive though well. I think the cats would be freak out. Maybe play with him a little bit but I would be. Did you say your cats would start chewing on him. I would just say you. Will you know what little spider robot you can go back until the gutter cleaning guy that it's not my budget right now but I'll keep his number we can go. We'll we'll see a Dickstein <unk> rug drug cleaning or <hes> when it's time to donate to the volunteer America. I'll see you then so there you go so see. Spider robots should be under future. I guess that's that's. I hope though that's hilarious yeah it's the Utopia was spider robots the major failing though of the Tartus Spider robot John a junk mail spider robot can get into the Tartus with us what I wanNA know because when we start when the story starts off the Tartus is traveling in the vortex. How how the home does the spider robots get inside besides the target you know the Tartus has all those you know protective shields a one not to protect from the time vortex how the whole thing get in there? It's the psychic part of the psychic circuit. ooh I think it was honing in on ACE's fear of clowns right and and it said we gotta win this win over. I've ever better series for you are my theory is that because the doctor is the master manipulator chess player he summoned the robot allowed it to get inside the tar as like that's why he was all like hey ace. Why don't we go to the psychic circus? It sounds cool. Nudge Asia Wink Wink Cena Mall so have you been to the psychic circus. What's it like Nice? I think we'll played you just uh-huh I teed that one up for you just knocked it out of the park. That's great knocked back. That's asam all right. Let's that's okay. I don't mind being the setup guy <hes> so. What did you think about the seventh Dr Nathan this story with the ace being forced I once again to confront her peers? That's kind of thing with the seventh doctor especially in the his last season where season twenty six the final the original series is final season. He's trying to get as to confront her fears. In it's kind of a interesting approach to companion. I think true but I think that he has seen bust yet and I think that we've seen that there are the the doctor actor has seen many companions and the doctor has seen many terrible things in he's survived all of it and I it's interesting to go back and watch a doctor that still has a home planet because we don't have that Dr Anymore exactly and for him to know that you can persevere through pretty much anything through trials in the master is and whatever dialects and Cyberman and Autan lattanzio whatever the universe can throw at you you can survive it and he's had a lot of companions who have been either very afraid in that's been a problem where you have to go back in rescue the companions or <hes> <hes> they don't WanNa go to a certain place or they're. They're too afraid to jump when they need to jump and so you kinda think he's trying to work on her weaknesses so that when if something comes up she won't be afraid afraid of it. I think he's trying to make her realize that she is as strong as she thinks she can be. An Ace can do anything she can do and be anything and also it's. It's his way of teaching his companion that to go with him is not to run away from something it's to run towards something to face it to face the universe not run away from your life but to face the universe and not be afraid you too. What's out there yeah so I get why he's got that in the back of his mind that we have to push ourselves to overcome seemingly irrational fears because when you're outside of the psychic circuit and you know the South West the southwest United States were genuine A._c.? Lynn or interesting comparison cloud claws are pretty much dumping to be afraid of K.. Hey they're they're they're fairly benign. Benign creatures yet <hes> outside of literature outside of dairy main. You know it's probably not going to be a problem so at least until it came along. That's what I'm saying. Yes yeah it's been there for since the dawn the time but some he knows this is something that you really don't need to be afraid of. It's only you know you need to be afraid of a specific bad groundnut clowns general that and I think that was another thing that really Kinda drew me into this episode because as Cheesy as it can be that sort of lovable cheesiness the doctor who has with its low production value in right and at this point it was like nothing yeah exactly that paid for craft services and this episode to me is terrified because I'm afraid of clouds house. I'm with Asia Cholera Phobia fear clowns beget big time so I forget that but then there's lots thing about the doctor where there and you could sort of see it in ways us McCoy was pulling it off in this. Let's go to the guests like this little kid in there that wants to go see the circus and eat popcorn and cotton candy and do all the circus type stuff that he thinks it's cool. He's all excited about it and NASA's just you know the jaded teenager going in whatever you know and then especially when they get their especially when they get there and there's like nobody there there in this darkened tent and you know just like she's bored ever frigging mind once they're they're gonNA talk content when the lights come up and he gets the spotlight on the he gets chosen to be the next reformer. He's really excited over it. He really does so. He can tell that he's there's a little party in this like really excited that the circus town yeah so and that's kind of like you know that whole you know he's lived for hundreds of years disappoint before thousands of years and he still has that childlike wonder about things certain that's one of the greatest things about the doctor. A character is that he has been everywhere and seen everything but he knows that there's something new to see every day right is to even after everything's done he's still knows there's more I think he has a I think he has an optimism tempered by a small amount of healthy copy cynicism but the optimism usually wins but the optimism wins but he also knows that but he's not jaded he has absolutely no so jaded visit him like Oh here. We go again another planet with Purple Trees. It's beautiful okay. He's not like that at all as in even when when you see something like <hes> the Davidson at tents dr where he's trying to figure out where to go with Rosie. He's like Oh this one place you'll love it. It's this dismissive. He's been there eighty times. He wants to show it to her. I think that's part of him. Having companions is it helps remind him that there's something new to experience every day for everybody is like he's talked about the he me a seen it before but he kinda gets to look through it like with new is through the through the eyes of his companions he gets to kind of experience it for the all over again again with them right. His new experience is being able to show it to someone right exact necessarily see it for the first time but he gets to show he gets. He's the guy who's like okay. Let me show you this really cool thing and then the companion enjoys is it and then he enjoys the companion enjoying it and he enjoys being somebody who provides the enjoyment right exactly that satisfaction like hey I made my you know one of my best friend's unhappy exactly so he he is an optimist the healthy doses citizen but he is never jaded and I like that about the doctor that makes him essentially the show in general which I thought was Craig Ferguson some this up so brilliantly really if you remember that caught the bit that he did on when he was doing the late show where he go he did that whole doctor who song and he's talking about that intellect and Romance Triumph over Brute Force and cynicism which I think sums upped which I think sums up Dr who perfectly it really does. It's the it's the optimism. It's you know the it's like hey you know we're gonNA use our brains and we're GonNa you know and we're GonNa have fun we care about each other and whatnot and that's more important than all the though the jaded horrible stuff in the in the you know the the nasty people trying to just <hes> bring you down. We are here to have experiences. Yes we're going to do it exactly and we're GonNa have fun doing exactly it's all part of the fun adventure. Come along with us. Yeah okay so we talked about Sylvester McCoy doing the physical stuff stuff for the guy gods of Ragnarok at the end of the episode <hes> a little we'll talk about the gods here in a minute but <hes> I was a little fuzzy on how the doctor kind of figured that out the stones remember at the beginning when the I see the rig N._e._c.'s old ancient stones. I think he's been mulling that over the whole time trying to figure out where those came from so that's what clued him in. I think you're right. I think that's a good yeah. That's a good point. <hes> the <hes> the doctor obviously you know before that <hes> he encounters all these various people. He's not very fond of Captain Cook Doc. Why would you be? I know exactly exactly but he left himself to get actually like the master manipulator. Kinda gets checkmated by Captain Cook so I was Kinda surprised by that well. That's the thing is he gets <hes> he gets check that he doesn't check me. You're right. You're right. He checked. He Checkmate's the Catholic what I don't get it. How does the captain become a captain? When you're such a coward this whole thing is oh no we he sort of helping them? I find new performers so he doesn't have to perform yeah. That's an we must get into our captain. Cook discussion while we're at it <hes> he's I mean he's really good or everybody. L. Says really stupid at you know getting them in the ring before him. Even he's just back there. He's kicking back in his cell and he's you know sipping on T.. Like no big deal and it's like you know maybe maybe in between the acts you know. He talks to try to convince somebody that hey you know I think you'd be a much better performer and you should go on before me. I'll allow you this because I believe in you or he does with whiz kid. He's like here's what I'm going to do for you exactly like he's doing this big favor by letting them go to their deaths right and that's I think I think when it comes to the captain being able we'll do that is everybody who has come to the circus is so excited to be there because as you see with the cart vendor oh they come from all over to see that stupid circuits. There's people are so excited to be there that I think there's take their leave a little bit and I think that's what happens to the doctor where even the doctors like. I'm smarter than this. How does how does this happen like? He got all caught up in the whole. You know the the excitement over the circus like hey this you know like cool this check this out and the ends up kind of getting like not paying attention to what's going on really exactly. He's he's not he's getting wrapped up in the circus part of it and not figuring out what's really going on faster right now now. He's traveling with mags. Captain Cook is and we get a little their background that she's apparently from the planet Volpe China and <hes> at some point she became aware wolf. I don't know she's just naturally aware wolf or something happened to her. You know like obviously like an aware wolf movie where they get debt and turned. Into aware wolf but <hes> it's an interesting companion and with mags obviously whenever she sees even an image of the moon she turns into this dangerous where Wolf yes I think she was bitten by a highlighter marker. She's very very she's. She's very that was one of the things that when she we finally get to see her transform your right <hes> she has this very like like fluorescent green makeup on. It's very eighties so this and you know she's got the big spiky hair like I._S.. spiky hair but nowhere near what mags add Nan and it is just it's like Tina Turner Spiky if you remember Tina Turner war hair back in the Eighties Tina Turner private dancer exactly and she has this these neon yellow fingernails yes don't let the like the press on clause they just take the neon and take it and run with it so that so they just got to be something with mags in the captain where it doesn't have her chained up or caged Easter anything he edge like they she goes along willingly presumably but kind of wondering why she stays with him. Pardon me wonders if she's trying to figure out a way to to to help other people that come to the circus so yeah. I'm not I'm not sure because she seems like ever motivations are little vague on this one yeah she. She seems like he'd be the first one she would kill when it was full moon right exactly especially if she's you know all she has to do is look at a picture of the moon and she transforms so having any moment and you would think he would know that they get it to transform in the ring for the Gods Ragnarok by just doing just putting a a lighting affect the away where they put in a put it looks a moon and boom there sheep so I don't know all right. It's Dr who it's who you roll with it. Other planet where we'll rules are not earth wear rules and I'm. I'm fine with that okay so you're okay with alienware wolf rules I don't. I don't know what we're with. Rules are on her planet. I I've never been there. I don't know how the real world reports work only ever been to earth rights. We don't even know silver. Bullets could kill her. Yeah who knows I mean well he does he does imply that right. which is how we maybe he doesn't know? Maybe he's just guessing. She seems she seems adequately threatened when he says it so Mr Interesting but ultimately of course mags kills Captain Cook and there was Mesh retracing ray but <hes> unfortunately he comes back from the dead head animated by the Gods Ragnarok brief time and then he gets finally taken out for good. I love how he takes a long walk off of short cliff face in that's yeah yeah you kind of falls. He falls into the eyeball. <hes> gravity gravity is not his friend. I Love I love how he looked like. Conservative eighteen hundreds you know taming of the of the wild continent of Africa's he's got he's rocking the pith helmet or whatever and yeah like he was helping build the railroad. When the goes to the darkness attack? I keep wanting to know if like do you knew the Phantom seriously like did you help the Phantom Authors and or like are you Dr Livingston like what's the deal here now see if this goes with that with segue into Billy Zane discussion but I'm not GonNa do that here we can segue into ability they one is we're talking to you. WanNa talk about Billy Zane and that Purple skin-tight outfit anytime any day of the week I knew it I knew I just I opened up Pandora's box and just all flew up all right <hes> I don't care what show or movie all right so anything about the Captain Cook and next before move on their interesting couple because I loved her hated him yeah and we were glad that she killed him. Briefly were very right and I was glad it was her because it's very fitting or make you said. Why is she with him so you starting to wonder? Does he have some honor or is this some sort of Stockholm Syndrome problem and so you're glad it was her thing thing. I just thought of this new way. You're talking about this. <hes> one of the things that kind of bug meal about mags was the doctor saying at the end you know she's all worried that she's GonNa. She doesn't have control over being aware wolf and he goes <hes>. Don't worry MAG. You'll figure it out you already have and I'm thinking. When did she figure that out because she killed Captain Cook Not by choice because she was out of control right? That's a no maybe a really odd statement by the doctor I was like well. Maybe they intended something to happen in the script and they deleted the scene or something and it didn't really make sense. I Dunno walk ratio in the galaxy again. Oh No oh no do you do your little like shoulder. Shrug <hes> Emoji thing with the with your slashes and your yell that L. Let keyboard stuff all right <hes> all right <hes> topic number three Muslim talk about the psychic sickest and so this'll be like all the characters the ringmaster more Ghana and <hes> and whatnot and also in the Gods Ragnarok of course I think more Ghana is exactly like anybody you ever see at a circus that like her who talks like she some sort of Gypsy yes but really just some cocky British lady exactly she's the stereotypical Gypsy Fortune Teller and he obviously when when she's not on I'm using that in the air quotes on <hes> she's she's talking with just like you know either her natural accent or whatever it's it's obviously all schtick that she puts on for the rubes and and <hes> she plays that up for the hill she's basically working in this episode along with the ringmaster just to like hey we're going to instead of escaping which I thought was kind of interesting <hes> because apparently they can't escape the psychic circus. She's there sort of working together to just sort of survive exactly because they're they're in this situation like hey come on in. You know so we could sacrifice you and stay alive yeah. We need to stay alive otherwise we're going to have to go and entertain. These guys is in that ain't GonNa Happen so yeah does happen. Eventually <hes> thinking about the psychic circus is there's. We only get some glimpses of its back story that it's been going on for quite a long time. They've been going from planet planets gallic Galaxy Galaxy to be basically traveling circus but when they come here to the stones were the gods of Ragnarok are then they get stuck they get stuck by the Gods and they've been stuck stuck there for so long that and there's there's some there's something I think that is trying to be said about what happened to hippies in the nineteen eighty S. I think you're right. I think that is kind of a metaphor in concert for how hippies all started out as a free and altruistic and loving now there's talk in the machine yeah basically wiped out because like hey the used to be all these Fr- fund free willing hippies and you know whatever you know the wor ended up being corrupted and right and eventually driven like gotten rid of right and they they have they've literally forgotten where they came from as you see with Bellboy now now flower child she remember is what's going on and she's trying to fight to get everything back to the way it was but but doesn't add very well for her because she gets killed in the first episode so yeah forget a lot of what's going on and so does a deadbeat Debbie Debbie essentially <hes> you've been he's been completely brainwashed by the power of the stones and the Gods and at the end when he gets a hold of the necklace with the with the eye on it that he needed to eyeball Oh from from the bus right again exactly but but it's not until then that his his memory comes back fortunately in time to save as from the bus conductor oh I love the bus conductor tickets please. I think it's creepy robots that creepy homicidal robot you can never go wrong with a creepy Oma Seidel robot well and Dr who is so great at that because you've got the Cyberman. You've got the odd Tom and then you've got this guy who adorable with his cute little copper face exactly yeah he's well. It's one of those like He. He looks cutesy but there's enough with it like the rust on the copper yeah that you like you know they're like. He's got a little sinister edge to him. It's like a playground that you really shouldn't touch anything. Exactly you know that you're a blank expression kind of like a Cyberman exactly like if you play in this playground it looks fine but you're gonNA need tetanus shot yeah and and he has he has a little ticket machine that is now like a laser shooter. I mean he's I thought he was so great but <hes> so yeah there's these they've gotten stuck in in this one place being acog of the machine and so there's something they're trying to say about. I think what happened to hippies when they lost because that's a overrun by the corporate machine. I don't know if you've ever seen the movie the big chill you have all these hippies who became these these rich like suburban white people actually in the one day became everything they railed against became everything they railed against them. The one who didn't fall into that is the one who committed suicide so there's just Bach yes. They've gotten stuck for sure yet say so <hes> and you're in think you're dead on about the metaphor too. I think that's that's a very observant <hes> Gaza Ragnarok. I thought we're KINDA interesting 'cause they're not this isn't like some. The gods aren't exactly traditional traditional Norris God's here no so it's like you know like Ragnarok. Obviously being you know the kind of norse apocalypse the end of the world exactly <hes> in obviously you know like the third thor movie but <hes> the <hes> they're not they don't really have any norse connections which has kind of interesting and they're more like the they're more games. You know they're more. They're more like Roman froze up. They're they're. They're more like you're from Roman Times where what what they're doing. Is there watching to see who lives in new dies. Basically the ring is an arena and so there are basically you've got people inside going Dunton. Eh Yeah exactly so there. The other very different in there is technically three of them when his rag what is our it's it's kind of a different kind of different <hes> take on the whole Ragnarok thing but they're just these ancient God's made out of ancient stone with her ancient talisman stones and now that they're being entertained. They're not GonNa let anybody go and their idea. Entertainment is really screwed up. Okay everybody we're back from our slight. Technical difficulties please stand by and <hes> hopefully now we can finish up our doctor who discussion about the Gods Ragnarok okay <hes> so the Gods Ragnarok <hes> we talked. I talked about that the <hes> do you hear me. When I've talked about that? They weren't based on North norse mythology. We talked about how we talked about. Okay they were more more Roman gladiator type yes exactly and then he fought in the ring in me too. We did the whole star Trek thing and all that okay cool. We did the Star Trek thing all right <hes> so the doctrines facing these gods after figuring it out out and we talked about earlier the how he figured that out and thank you for explain that to me because it always seems like well. How did he know but then also remembered <hes> that the doctor says he fought the Godse Ragnarok? He's he's been fighting them for some time even though we've never seen them before on the show and never never saw them again on the show. Everything is willie wobbly tiny wine. It's all time you want me so essentially off camera. The doctor has been fighting the Arachne rock and it's just only in this story where we actually get to see that happen. We don't see every every waking moment of the doctor he has. He has friends outside of us. You Know No. I don't think so I think we're mostly as best as friends. We used to do everything together. Exactly not let we're codependent or anything but not that. We're needy not that were needy. <hes> but <hes> you know so it's Kinda interesting that we have like they're basically like an off camera recurring villain which I don't think happens very often <hes> obviously there that leaves a lot of potential for bringing them back in the modern era preferably with betters special effects budget <hes> now they get taken out <hes> the doctor essentially causes their whole temple to crumble somehow even though after he was just tied up and whatnot gets himself free <hes> he does some things with a necklace like he he <hes> they fire there little pugh laser beams at him any deflecting those with the necklace so good thing they're like really good aim. They have really good aim and can hit that necklace perfectly each each time that they're even further aiming for the I I and <hes> so uses that on them in basically <hes> there's that shot really cool shot where surveys for McCoy walks out of the circus tent. It does the whole like he's an action movie walks off as an explosion goes off behind him and he doesn't look back all bad ass. It's so bad ass enough when I was saying at the beginning of this episode that he can be the the goofiest of Goofy with goofiest DA- jokes. There's a there's a point in here where something he does something any says just a ticket and you're like okay. That's not what you say when you new pill the ticket taking robot that Okay Dad you know Schwarzenegger action movie thing you know the one liner yeah <hes> the nice to see you that Kinda Eh <hes> the consider it exactly bitty trivia about that senior talking about where he walks out at appendages blows out on him but go ahead you can do it was a little bit more of a blast than anyone expected it to be crispy fried didn't he. He says it's a little cook but he's okay he was he was expecting that like the entire back of his clothing was is gonna be burned up. Well apparently caught fire some of his clothes but he knew that apparently he there was there weren't there wasn't going to be a retake right. There were like ninety cameras on it so they they knew they only had the ones I do it so it's just ignored it. He just had gone. Yes the last with so intense that it caught fire fire fireproof material that they had built the tent so eh yeah that's that's pretty bad as recorded this walkaway from its yeah. That was pretty impressive yet he just he just walked away with his umbrella like okay. What's next y'all exactly it's his that's his has dropped the umbrella move there instead before drop the Mike obviously but <hes> but yeah it was very cool and <hes> thankfully we didn't lose Silvester McCoy in that yeah that would have been slightly awkward <hes> especially for him them all right so <hes> anything else about the psychic circus in God's Ragnarok as we try to get back on track here aside from the fact that the coke robotic clowns are freaking terrified? Yes so so even not just you know it was obviously the chief clan who's just creepy because he's creepy clown and his gang Apollo JACCI enforcers is yes driving around the the only God yeah. It's it's very very interesting. Look so so you've got the chief clown who's basically a Piero style clown like he was right out of David Bowie video colleague to the cloud yeah exactly and and so yeah like you said he's like he's got his robot clown henchmen that were that were built by Bellboy and for some reason they travel around in a hearse through through the desert or whatever rocky landscape bringing people back that tried to escape. It's actually a quarry endorse it yes but I think it's supposed to be like a desert desert like desolate planet. We're the circus right in the middle of nowhere yes yeah except for that that stall lady or whatever that that hates all those Weirdos the weirdest she'll seldom disgusting Mellon that you apparently we have to eat with your hands delicious madame every I would not eat that. I would just say like Sawyer professor but <hes> I'm not eating feed into the dog. Even homer Simpson wouldn't eat that. I don't think probably not yeah so but I know perfectly the fruit nice all right anything else about this episode before we move onto our rating not really narrow favorite lines rather I should say favorite lines will do that I but <hes> yeah just <hes> very interesting episode and <hes> so this is your gateway to Sylvester McCoy unease ace. That's cool with McCoy. Nathan I have a excellent major soft spot for and I know it hasn't cheesy moments but using the clouds this things are freaking terrified the for for having zero budget. I have to give credit to the production people because <hes> for one thing this episode almost didn't get finished because like shod the Tom Baker story there was like a whole big asbestos scare in the B._b._C. Studios Tent Yeah and move it to the parking lot. Else is nothing else three studios the parking lot so what does that tell you about the the budget constraints. I think I'm Dr who we're go to the famous L. Street Studios Where Star Wars was filmed Jerry Jerry go in the parking lot. That's as far as we can get an ultra skinny. I'm pretty sure there are youtube fan films with more budget than what classic doctor who had during the its final is final years variously I know right that's crazy but <hes> but credit to them and they actually looks pretty cool given their budget you know the making use of that that that you know billowy ten ten cloth and lighting and whatnot to <hes> to make that work they just had to set it up in a parking lot. That's all they can do exactly and they pulled off sometimes innovation. Is the the or you know like what is it a necessity as the best motivation for in innovation yet. Yeah got it the mother of Invention Yep. That's it all right. I'm glad you got the quote right. 'cause I totally mangled that all right. I botched that when admitted just got to think about Frank Zappa when you think about that quote that was more Mooney Zappa than Frank Zappa but of course you were. What do you expect all right on that data by the ever rankings F is on my favorite? I think we've pretty much covers Abbas. Haven't we in there to forget about diesel. You're right stand corrected. Obviously we'll played all all right <hes>. Do you have any favorite lines of this story. Shut up and eat your popcorn. That's probably my favorite one is shopping so the Gods Ragnarok yeah as their you know the mom dad in little girl guys ooh yeah the the mom tells the little girl to shut up and heaver popcorn 'cause she's wanting about like you know. I'm bored and then I'm also a big fan of <hes> when the doctor finally comes around and he says as you're absolutely right clowns creepy again Dr those that pretty much anybody that's watched any like Stephen King or or what have you could tell you that big adventure. you're closer guys i don't need to name on and on and on you guys did it to me but i'm not poltergeist disney in the nail in the coffin with be big adventure that's that's a good one tennessee earlier that surgery surgery seen worth all that clown visitors yeah yes that was pretty messed up all right <hes> one of my favorite pieces that that danielle said ever wrote though is that particular thing right there well he's he's always guineans always good at the circus twisted circus guide amusing perfect that front bump bump bump bump bump bump in the whole thing exactly we sell beetlejuice we exactly <hes> so one one of the lines that i liked was you have the bus could conduct you're going anymore fares and the doctor replies i would like a ticket actually i'd like they're to be back off peak weekend break super saver senior citizen bi monthly season with optional added facilities and a free cup of coffee in a plastic glass and crocodile sandwich and make it snappy you mechanical moron overheat profit that yeah exactly and then the yeah the bus conductor just as like in francis out by the doctor comes up with that off the cuff all of those right all of his caveat versus that was that was great yeah that was that was a good one and <hes> so in semester koi mccoy kudos for rattling off so well i couldn't even do that justice but i tried all right <hes> anymore quotes you my favorite <hes> let's see i have <hes> let's see the doctor and captain cook <hes> the doctor just gets handed some clubs juggling clubs because what am i supposed to do with these in captain cook says practice juggling i suppose your chances of survive on the ringer better of course if you keep them entertained the doctor applies why did they let you out again and captain cook responds no but you'd last longer very ominous <hes> and the doctor dr there's another line i liked where doctors telling the gods of ragnarok you're not interested in beginnings you're only interested in endings talking tendency to kill people and <hes> this one great great exchange between hastened the doctor the very end of the story where a says sometimes i think it's you that's crazy not deadbeat here and the doctor dr replies anybody remotely interesting is mad in some way or another that is so true and that's a great line yes but yeah that's true yeah the amandus mix you interesting so i should be the most interesting person in the world but anyway all right <hes> do you ever reading for this story i do what's your reading i have eight hundred ten spiral gold earrings oh took mine i'm gonna get down to happen eventually that's okay flower i was going to go with flower child earring so i'll i'll give you that one <hes> i'll say eight out of ten bus conductors at the good one so tickets these for ticket just a ticket that's ticket yeah enough i'll tell me flanagan from saturday live with his way morgan fairchild morgan fair- code yeah there's a date of reference for you john lewis yeah before he went to john lewis no at the all right <hes> let's see so <hes> reverse reverse the player this week so we're going to reverse the player to the neutron flow and then we're going to reverse it again because we're going back we're going forward excuse being time <hes> so <hes> trying to come up with an episode kind of like <hes> the ratio and the galaxy was a little tough because we don't have these like space circus type episodes so i'm gonna pick kerr blam dam which was just on recently at series eleven the seventh episode is series eleven in twenty eighteen just last year written by pete mctigue so this is a thirteenth dr story that just happened <hes> inside the tartus that thirty dr after ryan yes and graham are hurling through the time vortex when suddenly a robotic man who looks an awful lot like the bus conductor but isn't the bus conductor <hes> seriously seriously compare the photos they've pretty it's pretty close <hes> in a postal outfit teleport's into the tartus so we have again somebody that just teleported into the tartus wow that's the hardest needs needs some sort of firewall software so that's one mcafee the target mcafee for mac and mcafee for windows that you can't get it for the target or maybe add block on google chrome when some sort of you know kuc's or pop-up blockers exactly so holding a red and white box <hes> the robot in the postal outfit deliver makes a delivery for the doctor the doctor gives an ecstatic yelp telling her friends that it's the curb bland man and yes no says something on that stringent packing card written on the back are two words helped me now like the fly out me me <hes> graham in yeahs convinced the doctor that might be worth checking that out so the doctor greece and travels to curb lambs main office in the moon of ken daca the galaxy wide online shopping service consists of automated warehouses and a creepy robotic workforce so there's another connection to the gration the galaxy where have creepy robots working at walking around known as teammates under the guise of being new employees the group attempt to find out who sent the call for help they quickly learned from their new colleagues dan cooper kira are low and charlie duffy a maintenance worker that loves kierra era <hes> that the staff have been vanishing in recent months when dan disappears well finding an order for his new friend yeahs the doctor suspect something is wrong with companies artificial intelligence and automated workforce human resource managers judy judy madison jarvis lay quickly denied involvement when confronted about the disappearances when curious abducted the doctor trek sir to the completely automated packaging and delivery floor after finding the remains of the missing workforce in an army of teammates holding packages the doctor uses an early model of teammate to speak with the curb lands a i she quick learns that the a._i. is the one that call for help and after suspecting that something was wrong with its its workforce after yasmine ryan and charlie see cure die while playing with bubble wrap that explodes so we've got exploding stuff going on <hes> the doctor realizes that someone weaponized the bubble wrap intending it went for it to be used onkar bland customers if you just said the phrase weaponized the bubble wrap up if you said that apropos of nothing i would know you were talking about dr who pretty much right yeah there's a very doctor who is concept exploding because that's what the kids could play with at home in pretend that hey i got exploded by the bubble wrap so <hes> very traditional doctor who stuff <hes> charlie emits to being the culprit explained that curious deaths wasn't part of his plan so nice guy charlie turns out to be the bad guy <hes> he reveals that his motive was to prevent automation from making human workforce's redundant and use the missing staff as test subjects he intended to use it onkar blance customers knowing that <hes> people would blame the deaths upon automation and a lack of human diligence the doctor reprograms the teammates to deliver to themselves however and pop the rap which ultimately destroyed so they destroy themselves basically <hes> the <hes> as the others leave the floors destruction charlie stays behind and gets killed so well done there <hes> in the after mathematics and slade plan to rebuild curb land with a mostly human workforce will yes ask the doctor if she can take <hes> her to visit dan's daughter to return his necklace and tell her how much her father loved her aw the actor so but this is a very offbeat story the tones very similar to the greatest show in the galaxy even though you don't have creepy clowns you have creepy robots so that's my and again you have somebody that looks an awful lot of robot that looks an awful lot like the bus conductor pretty good so that's my recommendation that's something that we have no shortage of doctor who would just creepy robots robots robots or like in a staple of doctor who right and i know i think coming up for you is going to be the girl who waited and that's coming soon yes and you wanna talk about them creepy robot those are good those are some because they have needles in what's croupier with wrote than creepy robots but creepy robots with needles so we'll be talking about that soon yeah i worked in a little plug there i see that i appreciate that t.'s future episodes yes for me i'm going to be kind of going to be that jackass polls the beside out in the decide and for this one i'm going to recommend from out of the rain which is actually a torchwood episode and this one is a recommendation that's awesome i am i allowed recommendations you you can have whatever you want you have free rate we've known each other for so long you can do whatever you one cool with it i thought it was supposed to have a recommendation if you notice it says charles next to the reverse the reverse the player on sorry that's okay i'm cool with it you did you did the working sorry will yes i was the torchwood episode from out of the rain is where the old movie house in cardiff gets converted into a history local history museums museums and they find this old film of these weird nights circus performers who won the yeah what happens is they when you play them on film release them from their president prison in the same way you can capture them by getting them on film also but what happens is they start running amok throughout cardiff and taking people's life breath out of them it's just just sort of taken their last breath in creating this horrid of zombies essentially and you know some either they <hes> they find one you know jack of course has these people because jackson alive for thousands of years but they they find an old woman who remembers that her entire family was taken by these night traveling circus people and their became this legend that <hes> whenever any sort of traveling circus came to town children should hold their breath to make sure that they were taken away so and this is after this isn't torchwood after they use that glove to bring owen backs resurrection glove yeah yes so after they do that so they try to attack owen they tried to attack oh and you know he's already dead so they're they're so the <hes> the the the head night traveler coast maker is what they call him he tries to get owens life breath and he says he looks at me says what on earth are you there's not a breath then you're sad cold bucks forget about yes you're just walks away so if you like the concept of creepy circuses i highly recommend this torch whatever i totally forgot about that so thank you for reminding me of that here thanks that pulled out the beside no that's cool i'd like it i love the you did that that's awesome that was a nice surprise thank you for doing that all right so there you go you got a bonus reverse aversive verse the player it is time this time was excellent all right <hes> so yeah check that out so check that torchwood episode as well <hes> we do have some listener feedback thankfully <hes> holly holly from wisconsin are one of our regular e-mailers writes in she's been killing it on the email she's been doing awesome <hes> she's like booked up for the next few episodes semi email so she's on it <hes> she goes holly rates in hey charleston zan so so as ain't getting a little shoutout from holly cali yeah <hes> always nice for have the new people get to get reference here <hes> it's been awhile since i've seen the ratio in the galaxy and i have to say that i think i enjoyed it more this time around killer robot clowns aside love the scenes with dr playing a spoons and juggling yep once again we could see sylvester mccoy plane the spoons like he didn't time in the ronnie right trait yep that's so obviously is a big spoon player my dad can do that i can't do that but my dad can <hes> little side there <hes> this is almost a nightmarish version of a magical mystery tour except that it's dealing and performances in the circus and hoping that you entertain the robot ticket-taker i'm presuming she means the bus conductor reminded me of misfits cyberman except no ticket upgrades no ticket that he's got that he's got head he looks kinda cute but no he's not that's he should have delivered the harrison ford line no ticket from any jones lasker no tickets and thrown off the but <hes> the reveal max being aware of still surprised me i'd forgotten that she also looks as if she can fit in with the kings and there's another paradise towers reference kings are best that whole thing you know read cain blue kings those guys <hes> you have again it's very eighties especially sylvester mccoy era doctor dr who <hes> i'll wrap 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Geoffrey Blainey on the vandalism of historic statues, and the geopolitics of Coronavirus conspiracies

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Geoffrey Blainey on the vandalism of historic statues, and the geopolitics of Coronavirus conspiracies

"This is an ABC podcast. A. And welcome to between the lines. This is Tom Switzer. It's always great to have you company now this week. The Foreign Minister Maurice Pine accused Russia and China of spreading disinformation on ours she said they using the pandemic to undermine liberal democracy, and to promote their own more authoritarian models. Later in the program. We'll be taking a look at the geopolitics of corona virus conspiracies. What do state actors like China and Russia hope to gain from spreading disinformation on the virus. And how does some domestic groups in Western societies? Feeding stay with us for that. But I to one of the biggest stories of the week, the debate over the removal of historic statues in the West. Now the protests over George Floyd's death. They have accelerated an already intense debate of what to do with the statues of historic figures across the Western world. What's your view? Should we judge the past by standards of the prison will certainly not according to the distinguished British historian Max Hastings he's a past guest on this show, or is removing statues as significant historical act as those for which people were commemorated. That's what my basic colleague Julia. Roach recently in the Sydney Morning Herald. What do you think it's an important issue? And who better to discuss these matters? Then Australia's greatest living historian Geoffrey blinding. He's written more than forty books forty cranky, including the tyranny of distance. As short a history of Australia and International Ciller, assure history of the world professor Blinis, most recent book is called. Cook's epic voyage, the strange quest for a missing continent as published by Penguin Jeffrey Welcome back to our in. Your very generous. Thank you very much. Now I your thoughts on the recent protests that have culminated in the toppling or defacement of the statues of historical figures, the first thing I have to say it fills me with astonishment. A couple of years ago, the set of Captain Cook in Sydney was a defaced and. It well, that's unusual. It probably won't happen again for a long time, but in in the last. Who is not as being? The Best of statue distraction statute toppling such is on I'm sure hasn't taken place in the world. In the last hundred years is happening when the country. There's Israel Win Powell changes in Moscow. Changes. Is some authoritarian nation, a statute toppling, but it's a very common phenomenon in in the English speaking wilder in the Western, world generally and I'm a sound very disappointed. The saw the we should get rid of any idea or any monument. Is unpalatable to us as a complete, the island into the spirit of democracy I was chatting with Max Hastings the aforementioned British storing, and he makes your point essentially that you know really. The Principal Study of history is about offering varying interpretation. There are different schools of thought and nothing definitive as he put it to me, and it's important to understand the. The People's have always done ghastly things to each other. Including Black on black and slavery was just one able, in which blacks and Muslims weren't holly complicit. This is Max Hastings. Now tells me the trouble is young people. These days don't learn in school or university. That history is a model. History is a model. How would you respond to? Max Hastings Jeffrey. Well he's celebrated historian. Think history is itself unpredictable and disappointing, but there are patents in history evil. Whatever word you use is is fairly common. History of the human race justice trump. And days coming in the history of the human race, and that may be at the moment We're inclined to think that. Way I able civilize. Asian there's been and that we should be ashamed of ourselves, my my view was. It wishes to Asian folks as being. Extremely successful and the idea that. You should feel ashamed that wishing civilization has landed in African than North American landed in Australia of course it brought up in terrible days with in the name of civilization, but ultimately been a great improvement and we should. Say, which is as well as seeing is. Now you've long argued that, notwithstanding our nation's fulsome and filings passed in prison by today's international standards. Australia can highly be singled out as as racist. I understand that, but see a lot of your critics would say what about the era of the Watt? Australia policy this of course was the discriminatory immigration policy that was put in place by nations founders at Federation and nodding one that lasted until the mid to late nineteen sixties Geoffrey Blimey. Try, the did and In in the name of the was abolished he. Something some of leaders of ESPN made. Very strong statements about the superiority of Europeans ever. Shy, these or Japanese who wins? In with the two simple than in the fifties and the sixties, it was great in Russia of Chinese migrants store straight. They went expelled though allowed to stay here, but restrictions were placed on their injury and there's restrictions. We confirmed, but federal parliament when Mitt in. Not In one, but. They had to make restrictions. We couldn't have been democracy of the majority of people in. In eighty had been. uneducated. But hardworking Chinese me couldn't have enjoy the highest and living if. The inflow of China's as they were. Wages were kept low, so you can never have a society where everything is again, there will always be losses, and in some senses. The wanted to say policy was the loss, but there's neither the about that if There's Chinese. And instead going to. France gone to Germany in the end, the injury would have been prohibited after all the United. States also had a what United States. Policy Kinda had the same. It's not an uncommon phenomenon, so one can regret. The extreme languages was sometime his I think that. Really gains as well as West from the weather state. Oppose you. You may disagree well I think. Clearly, the passes a different era, and a lot of these people were creatures of their culture, but bringing it back to today, listen to those protests is on the streets, and they have culminated in some of these. Defacement of the statues, and even in England. In America, the toppling of these statues in Australia that would point to the high aboriginal incarceration right and I'd say that the high indigenous incarceration right that demonstrates endemic racism in the country, which explains the unfavorable international publicity. We all too often receive. How would you respond to those observations jeffers? I imagine you had a chance on television ten days ago to see the various street matches against racism in. Brisbane and Melbourne Sydney in that lie and numbers of the evening match held up the assign, and at four, thirty or four, thirty, seven in red and. Were the numbers of the original people who are less God in custody or in prison, since the nineteen in ninety two. But they didn't hold up. I didn't see anybody. Hold up in the other hand. The number of non original prisoners, the number of mainstream straightens. Pay Died in. Prison! They've exceeded the number of originals. The fact is that The place the place didn't treat average on the whole much differently to the way in which they traded mainstream straightens. The big problem in everage society today. Is that the number of? In prison is increasing rapidly wherever the the number of non-aborigines in prison and that's that's that's a big problem and so many of the high proportion of the every news who are in prisoner in prison for violence for domestic violence. Is Not just A. Prison problem soup problem of. Every society is the moment We've got this sad. Thanks in the strategy, really two kinds of original societies we. Very successful everage societies nicely Westernized. Children have a reasonable -cation who they themselves have work. To a buying up their own home in yourself wells, which has the biggest Brigitte population I think about forty percent. Of Aborigines buying off the right time and you're on, they'll hand because especially in the reminded outback communities. Hopeless or semi situation where the children don't go to school if they do go to school, they've got very little chance of jobs in the places where they liked to live. There's a lot of wellness and it sets second average Oh society that. Somehow has to be improved in Connecticut. Be Done or can be lousy than by, and is rather than by as people have to take responsibility in the end for their own lives, and that's so tragic situation in that country. At the moment, my guess is distinguished professor of history. Jeffrey Blaney Jeffrey. What about the busts of John, Howard and Tony Abbott former prime ministers imbalance. Device as well. What's going on he? Is the great Time of stature industry if you take the main streets at straight and take the prime ministers avenue in the botanical gardens by the like there's no of the city, Australia which has. Such a collection of Statues. My thought when I read about the. Defacing of the sessions of Mr and Mr Abbas that the people who. Have Knowledge of any the other stitches is the only people they recognize. Of course to come in the. Nation's smothering. It's quite clear their education system in some levels not very competitive and. There's Wednesday. Mr With the products of that education system. Yes, but there's a broader issue. Here apply Jeffrey I. Mean there have been recent campaigns to censor the PAS? It's not just about defacing or removing statues. Stopping, the showing of the movie classic Gone With the Wind, which I'm sure you've seen an episode of Fawlty Towers, the famous German episode what these campaigns that will, it is funny, but the BBC initially lists I think they're very dressed their decision, but it was his campaign to pull that fawlty towers episode of the BBC, streaming service what's going on, he well. Let's This is just an extension of. The attacks on statues. One of the reasons Dick to the treatment of the distinguished men from Bristol. Is that it else the attack on its attack on the outs? Mean is no matter what you think of the as you work about and. The whole exit civilization. Is that you on the own? Give respect to work because they resent the creativity of. Generations and great films and great paintings and Greg Music of works about, and you might not think much of the people who created those works of Allergy. Multiple think much vagner. than the music he created, but The part of the achievements of civilization and the idea that Somaly you destroy. Those achievements is distasteful to any person who. Sees Merit in high quality and the arts. So. It's not just the prejudice of somebody who gets rid of issue is the idea that he will? Raise something penalties that other generations will have the benefit of judging what they think of that work about. My guess is the best selling and distinguished historian Professor Jeffrey Blaney his new. Book is called. Captain Cook's epic voyage now let's talk about James Cook Geoffrey you right. The Cook's voyage was testament to Europe's fascination with science with the captain quote, a kind of astronaut who arrive by sea tell us more. When he said that it was believed that there was a great missing cotton, another strategy huge continent, lying somewhere between Illinois and South America that was probably heavily populated, that had all kinds of products, and then to the rest of the world and If somebody could find, they would enrich the nation and. Cooked it and find it, but he showed that social continent didn't exist in in history of Jovian in many ways as important. Countenance the doings is so he was real a real discovering. He didn't discover real excited. Of course, they regions long ago with a first Rosen in modern times that that's versus got a respite he. Made his way along the east coast of Australia, which was infinitely more attractive in those days on the West Coast, and as a result of his boys. The first grade settlement took place in Sydney and. Seven hundred eighty seven. He's one of the most important figures in the history of Australia. The other argument was. One of the original people, what about the what about them? How did they on we'll? Of course many themself and rightly cook himself didn't. Destroy the why of live times the death rate was high, but this is this is my belief. Much regretted much as we mourn the averages, aboriginal person today is probably better off than if every society of seventy and eighty as it continued on unchanged, cut off from the world. Average these gainsay much. They've gained more than they've lost. The coming of the Europeans in the last two hundred years and we have to remember that alongside of the fact that they also. Lost and they also suffered yet, but there's a lot of folks who are targeting sinise Captain Cook Statue that you mentioned at the beginning of the program and I obviously brand him as in Vita and a destroy, and that brings us to this this to bite. We've been having a lot in recent years, which is to change the date of Australia? From January twenty, six, seventeen, ninety out of course that represented the British settlement with Governor Arthur Phillip that you just mentioned and also change the Australian flag which of course includes the British Union Jack? What's your position on the question of a changing Australia and changing the Flag Jeffrey Blaney? Illustrator today is if the majority of trainings. We have another day. That's that's a rotten. Naturally accepted, but it's taken a long time to Make Australia Day important and large. The majority of people accepted original. People don't accept, but. What would they like in the SPLICE They may suggest today, and in the then they may decide. It's not suitable the majority of Australia's May decide. It's not double. While is here I accepted, but if The majority of people say that the date must be changed of course I accept the will of the people well Jeffrey thanks so much for being on the program, and by the way a blighted congratulations on a special milestone match living. You turned ninety. You sound terrific. Jeffrey congratulations on your ninetieth. Being on the program. Don't Miss Album seventy. Jeffrey thanks so much. Thank you, thank you very much. Professor Jeffrey Blinding the author of forty books on Australian history, including most recently kept in Kooks epic voyage published by Penguin a disease between the lines with Tom Switzer. Most crossover spread around the world. It is brought a concurrent pandemic of conspiracy theories and misinformation. Now? One conspiracy theories that the CIA created the virus in a lab. The other of course is that it was created in Wuhan Lab. And other is Bill Gates created it, so he could roll out a global vaccination plot and implant. Chips. And yet another is at the virus is spread by mobile phone towers. Now the idea seems so ridiculous. It's hard to imagine them gaining any traction and yet I have last week. The EU released a report accusing Russia and China of promoting conspiracy theory about the virus and this week Al Minister maries pain. She wading heavily, criticizing me and Beijing spreading disinformation on the pandemic. But to what degree Russia and China involved in. What's the role of domestic actors? At least Thomas, she the research at the Australian Strategic Policy Institute in Camera. She's an expert on online disinformation, cybersecurity and conspiracy theories is the CO author of Espy's new report on China's disinformation has called retweeting tweeting through the great foul up persistent and undeterred threat actor, at least welcome to the program and come. Thank you very much. ADAMY START WITH BILL Gates the billionaire. He's named. He are these conspiracies about Bill Gates. And in day George. Soros they generated by foreign actors or were these coming closer to home. Look, I think it's really tempting to try and blame them on on foreign interference, but the reality is a lot of these conspiracy. Theories largely organic. That's not to say that they aren't amplified fide or taken advantage of by by state-linked active. We certainly have that eating particularly. The the Russian state link media has been amplifying conspiracy theories and we're starting to see that from. St Louis Doctors, but by and large these theories are actually organic and we have significant communities. In Australia can now one of the recurring conspiracy theories is that the is this idea that five Jay telephone tower is spreading corona var through radio frequencies, and this is translated to some very real world impacts. You think of the dozens of mobile phone towers in the U K New Zealand the US Europe. They've been vandalized and attacked. There have been some reports that the initial concept behind the five G. Conspiracy theories was Russia. Is that correct? No, even if I mean the Haji conspiracy theories are quite interesting in that. They've been around for a long time and I. Think if you go back. Look previous generations of of mobile network. Actually you find similar things around four J. J. for these kind of helped related conspiracy theories around burnt house on news What is new? I, think he's the social media environment and the combination of that hothouse social media environment with a global pandemic. Only sort of stayed in the way in which a number of. Years have become wrapped up into one another. anti vaccine therapy theories to wrapped up in seventy five G. conspiracies, which has now become wrapped up in the coronavirus and. It's kind of collision of a lot of different factors, which is red explosion of of Anti five-day conspiracy theories, which now as we see manifesting in actual attacks on. Conspiracy collapsed. Now you introduce these new. FRY's all has caught struck by this. In your article. In the US Journal, foreign policies was on online conspiracy theories just recently toes what you mean! He conspiracy collapse. Conflict is social media studies which Cocom picks. and even if you've never heard that ten before, you've probably experienced, if you. For example prices something on Facebook, intending friends to read it, and had you mom, reply or if you put something on twitter, which was a little inappropriate, maybe annual as at a word about on Monday morning it sort of that feeling when you will any at a message with one intended audience in mind, the fit, a different audience at on A. Dynamic place on social media around conspiracy theory, so you have on different conspiracy actors putting content putting narratives out on social media platforms, intending it for they were an existing audience. On, but it's flashes out. His other audience is. The way in which social media kind of collapses everybody in get up I'm sorry, for example you might have multiple conspiracies using common hashtag like Hashtag Corona. Hashtag and then. or some of these these common Hashtag Which? Provide sort of almost like a little petri dish of conspiracy theories. About Conspiracy Theories Tillis more back hue and non luck, anonymous Q. Non now many of our listeners tuning in lock myself. Not have heard of this group. We know very little about them. At least how do they feed into the picture? And what do they believe I? It's very difficult to think. Summarize on followers, beliefs, and I think it's worth noting that this never ones a the conspiracy theory. You can have as many versions as you have conspiracy theory, but later everybody can take their it sort of a choose your own adventure you. You can you can take that appeal to you. And that's what you believe in. It has many different versions as you want so the the very broad brushstrokes of the Cuban on conspiracy audit evidence, Donald, trump and a a secret a number of secret agents in the US government, working to bring down a a deep state of all elite file. And I it sort of it gets much more sort of hang on and. It gets them I would recommend that anybody who's interested goes out and has a look ahead. Look at an academic sense. Yeah. Not, endorsing. Q a Non did I expect to play a role in the US election yet? I mean obviously obviously the voters who are in the US. Expected in the election, but also we've seen in A number of groups of to an unbelievable have been very active could've generating means and generating social media engagement in support of the reelection, Donald Trump on any sort of into fort of a candidate he, in fact I think there are now sixty one I believe openly pro on candid store, running for different levels of political office in the US. So they are actually working. Attaining a level of political power and political is Asian which is definitely something to keep an eye on. So is trump. If trump is reelected in November, which seems a long shot instead of blaming Russia, will people blame Q. on? I mean. I think we shouldn't give them too much credit. But I I mean I doubt that'd be responsible for. The reelection is Donald Trump that, certainly, certainly, it's affected to wash as I said particularly, because we have a number of people who are now openly running for political office on the basis of the conspiracy theory, which is I rebate. And that's that's a really concerning development. Just in Tom, Switzer on between the lines, and my guest is at least Thomas, and she's from the Australian Strategic Policy Institute. That's based in Canberra now. Getting back to China SB released a report this week on China's attempts to manipulate public opinion more broadly, not just on the virus either. Use Large data sets from twitter facebook. What's China's main agenda I mean? What topics are they most active on? If the thing is that we believe the audience. in in front operation was. Populations in Hong, Kong and Chinese I language, taking the extra the world, so it wasn't aimed at sort of influencing for example, the extreme population at large or the US population that lodge on it was really aimed at sort of these Chinese thinking the after okay relations They were a few different -nificant narrative verses. The Hong Kong protests was a a major focus as he's A. Very, controversial exile billion Edco while we who is currently in the United States. And then, as for the various events took place over the course of the influence operation, which has stretched from twenty nineteen into into the day they wrapped in for example corona, virus, crisis and Currently the the ongoing U. S. protest. How effective would you say these online influence operations these China's online influence operations very ineffective from everything we can say this particular operation was very successful at generating any kind of engagement and I think what we're saying. Is that if any pollution-free perfect, because he the tactics which were to spread propaganda and disinformation on a close and highly incid at home like we chataway. a not necessarily very effective on platform, my twitter or facebook. and I. Suspect what will say over the next few months and years is a kind of a trial and error process as they. Out How they need to adapt this strategy. He very different information environment, and what they used to operating into medically China. What about the black lives matter protests in the United? States over the last few awakes, not just in the United States, but also I've generated a lot of social media content have Chinese linked accounts being active on that topic. They have been active on that topic that again aimed at Chinese speaking. Populations in population can. You think the using the protests as a way of undermining. The US commit human rights, so for example making the point to the Hong Kong practices that they can't us to defend them or protect them because the US is. Implementing these extremely violent. Crackdowns on protests in country. Obviously, the Hong tested shouldn't expect from from the US or expect protection from the US I'm also. Sort of using I get the Ko generated by the protests. As a way of undermining the. US mocked so you're saying basically that these Chinese operations at trying to. Run the law and that the Americans don't care about human rights, but Murray's Pie now farm minister recently accused China and indeed Russia of this quote, using the pandemic to undermine liberal democracy and promote their own more authoritarian models. What's your response and I think that's definitely out of the picture. it does come back to again this question of who the audience audiences, so when you say undermined democracy and promote their models who undermining it for who they ready to the obviously in the case of a influence. Influence operation that we recently at with the the goal was undermining the concept liberal democracy, and promoting their own muggles to populations in Hong Kong, and to Chinese, thinking the after population on where you of the messaging medicine coming Chinese. state media which is in English which is in French, which is in Italian for example, is more ended up promoting Chinese muddle of government to populations in in in English, speaking countries in easterly on the at this sort of bet, distinction between they messaging to. Very interesting insights laced. Thank you so much for being on our today. Thank you very much. Elise Thomas is a researcher at the Australian. 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#121 - The River

Think: Sustainability

25:00 min | 1 year ago

#121 - The River

"For the majority of my life I've lived about a two minute walk from the Cooks River in Sydney's in a West it's always been common knowledge that the river is sick. Thank the smell of it would turn me and my friends away a lot of the time and if we did head down there it was more common than not to see a floating car or Red Willie been among the mudflats bought. The river hasn't always been like this when Captain Cook said is on it in seventeen seventy he said it looks o'clock a very fine stream and one fit to support the culloty's that would come as we know. The fortunes of the cooks river have changed dramatically since then What was once? A vibrant area of wetlands swamps and estuaries has been diverted polluted and abused to the point that I founded at when I moved there in two thousand and five. So what is being done about. This can the Kooks one-stop Australia's most polluted river ever recover recover plot. It's Sunday morning and I'm in wholesome Park Doc. A quiet suburb in Sydney's west which is bordered on one side by the river. I've come to meet a group of committed locals down on the river. Banks who are passionate about the Kooks well I moved T- a- I live on the other side of the breach just here and I moved here in twenty twelve and I saw people down he working on the river and I said I want to get involved and thought that looks like a good thing to do. I moved onto Cantabrian brain two thousand eleven and I ride my bike. Go for running every day and was he a flash and then you go for a run you you get that unless you come back in good mood but when I go running the thrilla get that. Besides the Louis Angry on official I turn my best both Ranjit and and who you just heard from a part of a group called the mudcrabs. They made in multiple locations up and down the river doing all they can to improve the environment here. I'm at Ford Avenue side where they've been working once a month for ten years to try and return natural vegetation nation to the riverbanks among the twenty also mudcrabs. who around me are pulling out? Wade's planting native trees and picking up litter. I Find Peter Monroe one of the founding members. He tells me there was one person who is instrumental in getting the group together. Nearly fifteen years ago Beckmann Chris Bartlett in particular who was very holly Very skilled very dedicated verging on but he he just drew people to him In terms of him working that's awesome meeting soaring pulling from the river and stopped in spite doing and then said join you said and he started ringing. Everyone up Every every Tommy had cleanup bring twenty thirty forty fifty sixty so he then started a name out system where we got five hundred sixty people on the email system war Why is there work necessary in the first place? What has happened to the Cooks River? Since the first lady arrived that has led it to be Ustralia. Most polluted river to find out what's going to have to go back even further. ooh This is sustainability. I'm victim rich. WHO ooh before? Why people The the river the river's in particularly toward Samatha of the river is in a swampy area. But it's a river that supported big aboriginal populations. This is Jennifer Newman. She's a Rajouri Tori woman and an aboriginal studies lecturer. At the University of Technology Sydney populations have used the river not only fought for transport only food sources and fishing and gathering plant foods launched banks but also as a mode of transport for moving around the country and over time The the the economic and food sources in the river of changed a lot. So this this dugong skeletons that have since Maine uncovered Along with you know. There's this show mittens all along the river show where people have gathered lived But is also Dugong. Mm Skeleton said tell us that why back win there have been very different. Very different set of animals and other creatures living. The Cooks River starts art at Botany. Bay runs through the Sydney suburbs of Tempe Merrillville and Canterbury Twenty three kilometers to its end at strath field in Sydney's west. As Jenny said the rivers changed its course and flow of many thousands of years but nothing would compare to the invasion colonizer houses who settled in the cooks river valley off to seventeen eighty eight quickly sold about improving the land in ways they thought would be beneficial to them improvement. It meant that it would. It'd be it'd be a richer environment to fall so that would include making femme lead whether it was formerly deforest And being on the field more people Atyrau is an emeritus professor of history at the University of New South Wales he published. It's a book last year called River Dreams which details the life and stories of the Cooks River and says that the landscape that early settlers came across in the Cooks River Valley Alley in the late. Eighteenth Century was nothing like any landscapes that come across before the swamps wetlands and estuaries didn't make sense to them as a properly functioning landscape and with this in mind along with the colonial push agriculture and wealth drastic changes followed vegetation was destroyed destroyed land was cleared for agriculture and to secure their water supply as well as make the landscape into something more familiar up. The river was dammed. The Delight Eighteen Thirties and says the motivations for making these drastic changes were typical of the outlook at the time much earlier. In in. In in England on swamps have been drained that was to provide more farmland foods so they they just did not value the Additional kind of orient now environmental services or ecological services which come from from what's trumps of what we call wetlands headlands would do. I could only see things in terms of what was what had a market value when she could sell throughout the Non Taint and twentieth centuries. He's the cooks river. Adopted a number of roles for the growing colony. It would be used as an outlet for sewerage and stormwater a dumping ground for industry and and it's in time mouth into Botany Bay would be diverted to make way for the New Sydney Airport. The very fond stream could sane in seventeen seventy was almost unrecognizable unrecognizable. There was very polluted was so polluted that the state government forbade fishing from the river for the for the first time in nine running fifty two so the river was being rich that stage and Parkland was being created on the side of it. But it's nothing like it. It is now I mean they're putting very few trees and smell from. The room was apparently terrible. After well. Bought to industry boomed in Sydney. This may have been good news for some residents bought for the Cooks River. This represented another setback by the nineteen seventies. After nearly two centuries of sewage and industrial Israel pollution drastic alterations to its ecology and Hydrology and urban development the river rates low point really represents the the pits the bottom of the the Niger of the Rue the light the light twentieth century because governments took so long to get around to really doing any effective collective action to clean up the river. Ninety nineties was really still that it was bad in the Ninety Ninety S. And we're we obviously knew by the time the fix of pollution on water supplies on water and Not Very much is being done about. It was is bad because of the smell and because there was a lot lots of cows dumped in the river so it was it was full of industrial waste Probably the minor is at low tide. Justin look very good when you could say these. Things exposed a lot of complaints about that. So what was the river lack for locals locals after all of this despite having a long history of use studying back thousands of years the river was no longer a meeting place. The smell was this gruesome and a common joke was that even the fish didn't WanNa Bay that as they would regularly jump above the water as mud crab paid. The Monroe told me little was also a common site. What would happen? The Todd would come in and pick up all the floating letter and push it up river. The flooding needed coming down. River would make that and you'd have a blanket of across the river that you could almost won't trust just be covered in inflicting later so lots of little Orrick art estimate that we've pulled out over the years that we've been growing it'd be thousands and thousands of bags bags Asahi there each bags cubic meter and and when we pull out hundred to two hundred. Every every event with the river native massive amount of remediation residents accidents like paid and the mudcrabs stepped in the mud crabs are Nam of advocacy group. The Cooks River Valley Association. WHO Under a range of different names? An interrelations have been cleaning up the river for nearly a century in recent years. The group has been advocating for sustainability initiatives including a container deposit. posits came up river and the removal of steel piling on the banks both of which they achieved through lobbying efforts including taking bags of litter out of the river and dumping it on the steps of the state parliament. The mud crabs are the volunteer wing of this association created as you heard when local residents became fed up up with the amenity of the river and had to do something about it and lay is a mud crab and also the president of the Cooks River Valley Association CEO it's combined combined it's a combined effort So and people who live here want to get involved and he's ago the river was collude drain and it was little more than that and people built the house spicing streets. But now they're turning the morale facing reveal So it's instead instead of just being a horrible Nasty Stein It's becoming a lovely haven of a place where you okay. Relax as they grew in number and realize success in that litter cleanups the mud crabs moved onto another of the rivers many challenges with most most of the native vegetation on the riverbanks destroyed over time. Peter tells me they decided to turn their efforts to restoring the bottle riparian zones all the first votaw landscapes found on the banks of rivers effort has gone from liter to revisitation now. We've got non revenge a tightening and that's exciting. Sorry because we just started another live we just added another two and a nice dot brought individuals who live nate saying. I WanNa start doing this. So so we support them. Give them by connecting with the council and that takes off and get since supported people in in the local area in the mud crabs have multiple sites up and down the river and bus hundreds of volunteer members wanting to do their bit so walking around the Mug trap side. I get a sense that what the group office to them is a way that they can actively contribute to bettering the natural environment and in a time when many people feel helpless to change the reality of our environmental future the sense of action. The Madcap show is inspiring One of the great right things about the location of the river even though we have been in Sydney's backyard is that we're going through the hot of Sydney and it eats dance with people who really care. This is sue Burton. She heads the Cooks River. Alliance a body supported by all local councils to offer advise on river a policy. People say it's quite special to be in really busy Maryville For example and then be able to walk down and suddenly you're in this beautiful quiet quiet Parkland with pelicans wondering I've I so. Yeah the community. Having the community on board is absolutely special governments. The river in the past has been a bit of a Hodgepodge of agencies councils and government bodies all working on their own sections of jurisdiction without collaborating writing which means that what is best for the whole Cooks River. Catchment has not been the main focus of any one body in the past sue and the Cooks River Alliance are supported supported by four local councils and come up with strategies to deal with the range of issues caused by the rivers history of non existent or poor management. One of the biggest issues currently is stormwater. Most of the river is actually Legally classified as a stall mortar acid. And so it's designed on so that when it rains anywhere in the catchment so from bankstown pots he'll PUNCHBOWL Cambe kings anywhere around the when it rains it. The stormwater system is designed to take the border way and when it was designed away was into the Cooks River And then into Botany Bay and out to sea and so one of its biggest challenges is now we now know there is no away though you may think this water for flow sounds normal. The Cooks River. Like any other. And it's GONNA fill up with water. Sometimes but directing large masses of stormwater directly into the river is far from a natural process and has a massive impact on the environment as Dr Ian Rodney senior lecturer in Natural Science at Western Sydney University Explains Explains Basically as soon as you modify natural environment as soon as you remove one tree Create a track. Clear Block You stop the path towards degradation of the waterway downstream. And I know that seems a bit strange but cheekily with the in. Today's today really out out of and development in industrial scale. We remove nineteen vegetation. We put up all these out official hot surfaces so they might be the Oil oiled roof FOOT PAS playgrounds hod rides John Parking is and as soon as we've done that we have made. We have done incredible changes to the hydrology. So instead of water flowing slowly through the natural environment and making it into the river in an uncontaminated did state what are the does flowed from houses and roads picking up whatever may be its path like motor oil feces gushes into the river at a fast pace. His plumbers and engineers and drainage Super efficient getting that water from your from your backyard from the road outside your house. Everywhere across the urban and industrial landscape pot gutted into drainage lines small creeks and then into a place like contrast that with a natural. What do I in a natural landscape? It would take a whole lot longer for that flow to get going and it's a more slow and progressive rise and it takes a lot longer to fall much less energy much less Transport of I'm contamination as well. The issues caused by stormwater as well as the value of natural vegetation a- concepts which a front of mind for the MUDCRABS when they go about remediating the river among the volunteers I met at the Halston. Oxide were retired scientists and botanist who bring their knowledge to cleaning up their their local river. Many mud crab sadza dedicated to restoring native vegetation which is a major defense against the impacts of storm. Water Drain is for the Rivet but to be connected to a natural thing but either either the two hundred Rob The rich feed with. It's been changed. As Spain I feel that Spain redirected. The airport was pudding. That's being the most significant thing happened to you. Know been concreted. It's been sheet. Steel Paul spent whole range of things have happened so it is. It's not a natural river. All the ultimate vegetation alongside was taken away So our aim is to get it back to his possible as much as possible. The Natural River this passion which facilitates so much action for the river is what strikes me about not only the mudcrabs but so many people who live in the rivers Kochman this something about the river the state it was in and the future potential. It has that seems to energize people especially those in the mud crabs and their work as well as the work of people like sue button from the Cooks River Alliance is having impact. Sue tells me that the Cooks River will never return to what it was like before Europeans arrived bought that it has its own unique potential when we do our ecological health monitoring. I read the other day I was trying to work out why we always get a d. and f. and the reason seems to be that The gold standard the I is a pristine creek in Georgia's river and we'll we'll never be pristine a up to the gold standard of a pristine creek in Georges River with platypuses and well. We'll we'll never get there but we can get rid of. It looks like a river which is getting rid of the concrete where possible forcible we can have a river that people can have access to much of it is fenced off because it's a stormwater as it so we can increase the accessibility and we can Increase the health of the animals. That live there so that over February when we have hot weather And very still conditions. We don't get Pelicans ducks dying of botulism and fish dying from Abnormal amounts of hot water entering the river. We can fix that. So we'll get a river that's healthy in Kooks returns rather than Pristine River terms and that seems to be the goal of nearly everyone. I've spoken to people want the Cooks River today. The best it can bay and with the DOC tons of the twentieth century behind it these people seem to have hoped that it can be more than a smelly stormwater drain. The river is already already proving to be a community meeting place again as it has been for thousands of years as mud crabs ranjit. And pay to tell me I small like Khanaqin buying like like community. Come down to meet and socialize and let me just might running and jogging place Pets it's definitely connecting connect a it's a radical because the river is connecting natural thing in the creeks connecting etc.. And it funnels people down here. The bicycle check on the walking track. I'm just see how many people going by I think I think that that the that sense that we are people it's downhill from where you live. You'll take the river way liver cashman where Audrey woman and Utsa she s lecture Jenny. Newman migrated from her country in Rural New South Wales to now live on one country alongside the river. She says rivers whether they're on Roger Country Wonga country or Gada go country have a special importance. Since the beginning of time human beings have I've come to rivers because we all need water to survive But also because rivers offer places of shelter and food sources food and shelter sources and materials so so rivers are important because of that catchment and flow and if revisit visit on able to be filled up by the catchment and you freak is on able to flow unobstructed and seasonally seasonally untidily and and beautifully forever. Perpetually then I think the the death of revisit symbolic of of the end of our our capacity for life on earth really and Jenny says the river has awakened something inside her. That that she didn't know was there living on the cooks river As I have already said has has nourished me as has an inland river person coming to leave on an urban river But something that I really really value in my life. Now that I live on the cooks river has been the way that living in that location living by that living as part of that catchment has connected me to a wide community really diverse people Descendants of convicts and soldiers from the first flare settlers screens WHO also want to care for country in a in a close intimate relationship and then with other more recently migrated people who live in my incredibly diverse area The river is is performing that catchment and flow and giving us a really strong way of connecting with the Java and perhaps Perhaps breaking down barriers but certainly setting up Avenues of communication in and raisins for getting together amongst amongst groups. Who otherwise might be a bit more separate and what connects everybody? Is that sense of caring for the country thinks sustainability is made possible with the support of two radio the University of Technology Sydney and is heard around Australia on the community. Radio Network think sustainability is made in Sydney which sits on on gotta go land of the urination whose sovereignty was never seated. You can subscribe to Think Sustainability Wherever you get your podcast Object to Petra rich. Thanks Felicity

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Appreciation for Editors - Still Untitled: The Adam Savage Project - 2/5/19

Still Untitled: The Adam Savage Project

42:05 min | 2 years ago

Appreciation for Editors - Still Untitled: The Adam Savage Project - 2/5/19

"Welcome to still entitled the attitude. I'm will I'm at an im norm loan provided back back to the original track again. Yeah, you guys had some substitute me in last week. I I can't even remember us. You were traveling. I was well recently. I I was in the Northland I went. I went to the land. That was so cold right now that they don't have a color for it on the weather maps. Oh, really the case. It's really the case then end of US goes to purple I think, and then there's white, and then there's just clear so west I was in Chicago this weekend every year, I've been lucky enough to be invited to thing. That's put on by some friends of ours. Zack from invincibles and Fitz from talk formerly of Google who I think everybody here knows. And we do this thing called Ord camp. And I went to Chicago in the middle of January when you go in they have a sign that says takes a special kind of person to come to Chicago in January. Welcome you bat as and the very first time I ever went to Chicago was in January. Yeah. It's great to go there, man. It was brutal. I was loading some of Chico mcmurtry sculptures into the Art Institute. They're back in probably ninety to ninety three was like did was it. Let me ask. I've I have some new perspective on cold that. I know this week was not nearly as when I went it was not nearly as cold as it is this week at all. So I left I think the coldest Seagal. I was. It was like negative teens, which meant let's see if you breathe in through your nose and breathe out through your nose the moisture that that condenses on your nose hair freezes on the next inhale. So it feels like there's a Caterpillar in your nostrils, Krause, it meant that. I only wear one layer of pets most days all from California and all fly in whether my ass you like when you're walking around like the places where skin is luckily, I have a beard, and I had a hat mittens. But the like the area from the top of my beard to my glasses just felt like knives or stabbing it, and then if you've been outside for about ten minutes that also happens to your ass if you're not wearing Pence. Let's see what else. What else did? I learn. I learned that if you lay down and make a snow angel when it's that cold. It is almost certainly a mistake. And that it when she get below negative ten than it's cold enough that your skin doesn't have to be wet to stick to metal. So oh, yeah. Like it started getting tacky. When I grab door handles gloves on Monday when we were filming in. Matsue Alaska and staying at the captain cook hotel in stayed. They're just terrific fell fabulous. If you ever go to the captain cook. Again, there's a fabulous breakfast. They do we ate the eggs with salmon hat. I didn't have that. This is when you guys made those votes. No, the Belcher were made in Ketchikan. Okay. The second time we went, you know, the one thing Ketchikan needs bridge. That's that's where the bridgeton nowhere nowhere cancelled by Palin. But there's an island where you land, and you have to take a ferry to the mainland where you know. Anyway. No. That was Ketchikan was the boats when we were in Matsue we were in. That was frozen lake your dynamite dynamite fishing on a frozen lake losing the SUV into the lake. Okay. So we're back at the hotel one night, and it's like twenty five below zero. And literally so-called we're getting headaches going the sixty feet. Forget a car get the brain freeze if you don't have a hat on. But it was also like part of we were there in. Early January, and there was some kind of winter prom happening. And these Alaskan high school students were getting out of their limos in mini skirts. Walking into the hotel totally immune to that cold was incredible. So we're bundled angry. And these like girls are getting out in miniskirts fashions and not even not even responding. Did you see that video on social media was Greenland the airport? That's that runway. That's basically on a strip of ice. And it's a POV video from the cockpit of the airplane ads approaching and it's beautiful because it's like persistent goal now or at the time of year something, but basically ice on water, and you see this landing strip and the lights lining it. And it's like science fiction any lands on mazing. You just kind of you don't stop you just skin until you are no longer scans. So. So I can't talk about a lot of what goes on at camp because it's a it's a friend DA kind of unconscious thing, and I don't know if we've actually explained we've talked about this a couple of times before but we've never explained what an uncommon says. And it's kind of it's kind of I would describe it as a super inclusive thing, depending on how you do your invitations and stuff now, but they do a really good job of getting people of of diverse viewpoints and perspectives and backgrounds and everything and then the people that they invite kind of determine what the topics are. So I went to sessions about playing the accordion and learning to write up song. And I went to I went to like, I there were a couple of astronauts there. So I got to go to astronaut sessions fantasy camp there were board games, and like unreleased board games and old classic stuff. Like there was up so much LEGO millennium. Falcon that was just set up there that people would kind of sit down and figure out Norman I've done this a bunch with these. Big projects it's hard to divvy that stuff up and the people they were just kind of sit down and spontaneously figure out. Okay. You do this part? I'll do this part. You find some pieces all do some pieces. Yada, yada. A lot of like novel foods to taste one of local beekeeper always brings Honey she's collected from all around and all around town. Hell like, oh, this is where the Lincoln berries are. And this is where the gra- this is worth clover is and all this stuff. But I got a new sensation this week. What does that mean? We'll so you're you're you're in your mid thirties. Norm, you're in your mid fifties. Adam I'm in my mid forties. It's unusual that I feel something you like pro proprietor. Censor proprietorship Shen has a new stimulus at this point in my life like physical since I've felt I felt I felt burning. I felt cold. I felt stabbing. I felt all the different all the normal stuff the love shouted covered. Yeah. The the the love of of a human being. A cognitive neuroscience taught me how to how to get dizzy in a new way. Yeah. So we can share. It's like. I didn't ask you. But I think it'll be okay. So you're vestibular system. Your inner ear has tubes. Three tubes. And they're all into different ways. Which is why we have a six axis gyroscope at our head, basically. Right right and liquid sloshes around hits the hairs inside your ear. And that's that's what determines what how we feel where where we feel like the center of the earth is point of gravity pulling us down. And if you spin then what happens in stops suddenly than the spinning the liquid sloshes up when the centripetal force pushes it to the edge of those canals. And then when he stops suddenly sloshes, so we've all sat in an office chair in spun right, and then stopped and you'd like on dizzy if you tilt your head down. So that if you're listening to the audio if you make your the front of your face parallel with the floor, right and spend a chair and then stop suddenly instead of a vertical dizziness. This is like a horizontal horizontal dizziness. This is this is the second racist. Right. Then what happens is when you stop and look up, then your eyes will keep trying to track left and right as you're going back and forth. So. With the ISO would vomited. So so this is the interesting thing she said, some people are way more sensitive to one than others to the point that like she said she can only do one of them like a half a turn before. She's like, I don't want to do this anymore. This is bad because I mean, you're gone if you get nauseous that's the next two hours. Well, and so we were talking because we were talking about VR stuff for obvious reasons. And I was like look I've noticed that there's a real spectrum on the VR world of people who feel no motion sickness like me who people feel a lot of motion sickness like my wife, and you're you're pretty sensitive to norm somewhere in the middle. Little the other end some. But the thing I never felt both of those kinds of motion sickness of spinning before the third one was brand new. So you told us your ear is perpendicular is parallel to the floor and then spend in the office chair and stop suddenly and. Like, you have no sense of forward and backwards. Like, do don't do this don't do this. If you don't have somebody there to catch you when you get your almost certainly going either fall backwards or forwards. L are thinking about this like off the chair, you're leaning. So I asked that and she said, no, she said all you're doing is getting the center getting the liquid sloshing up on the sides. And then stopping suddenly, right, right? So you hit the hairs. It's it seems like you can maybe tolerate tolerated more if you're on access, but I think that that's my theory not official signs. So it's a fascinating weekend. It's like it's a it's a rat event. I highly recommend people look on conferences. You can host them yourself. You just need a place an interesting people to invite you don't need like, you know, you don't need big sponsors or anything like that you need a room, and some people some maybe some food is that the kind of thing where everyone has to present. No, you don't. So. So they have the way the way they do the actual scheduling is at the they have an opening session where they kind of say, hey, here's why you hear the new people. And then they let usually different groups go this year. I think they picked even number birthdays. I so you get like half the people out there at once and they have these big boards. Have all the rooms that are available all the spaces. That are available and our longtime slots in each one. So people take a big three by five posted card posted note. Right there pitch idea on it smack it up on the board. And then over the next two or three hours. People will come by and stick little little little dots. Those little paper dots on the one. So you can kind of move the ones to indicate that they're interested in the session. And what that does is. Let's the organizers kind of the ones that have more interested into the bigger rooms, and the ones that have less the smaller rooms, but it kind of self organizes, it's really it's really neat process. And and you know, as opposed to a normal conference. It goes from like nine o'clock in the morning until five o'clock. And then you go home and go to a bar or something hang out with people that you met that day. This one starts at like ten and goes until six o'clock in the morning, sometimes lag people stay up late at in the wee hours. People are playing like where will and making music and working on LEGO, singing, karaoke, and all sorts of stuff. It's a it's a it's a it's I find. It always interesting to get a big giant group of interesting people together and let them chat. What if you're incredibly socially awkward and have a lot of social anxiety? So. This is funny because one of the things that we have talked about in the post of post wraps of these is imposter syndrome, right? I think I have it almost every conference. I go everybody does. I mean like there's sociopaths and these people have imposter somewhere on that spectrum. Right. One of the ways that you fix imposter syndrome was by talking about it, right? Like, the cure for imposter syndrome is acknowledging that hey, everybody has a positive imposter syndrome is the idea that like that person that I'm looking at over there definitely deserves to be here. But I have no idea why I'm here. And here's like I have a great test case for why it's important to talk about imposter syndrome five six years ago. I was having coffee with a good friend who was about who is about my age, and I talked about the syndrome, and he was like step there. But what is that? And I explained and he looked like white is it ghost. And he said I thought it was only me, and I was like, oh, buddy. I'm so glad to welcome you to the club. So an so one of the things that fits ANZAC do at the beginning is they say, look, everybody's here because for reason, right? The if you were invited to come here your or your application was accepted. You are interesting. And you have something to add whether it's in terms of presenting or sharing something that you know, or just asking questions or listening and being generally interesting, right? Like, there's no there's no right or wrong and everybody contributes, and it's a it's a lovely weekend. So I have a variation on that. Okay. The finish definition you gave imposter syndrome of being at a van Orna room any place where you feel like the other person in the room. But definitely belongs there, and you don't belong. I think the variation. I have is not that they belong here. But that someone in my field should be here. Instead of me. I think I mean, I think that's a that's very apt. Yeah. That's right. It's not like an extension of someone. Could be taking more advantage of this opportunity than what I can do with it. Yes. We'll so the other thing the other thing that they do, and this is another part of being inclusive that isn't necessarily related to gender or ethnicity, your religion, or whatever. But I think fits calls us when the pacman role. So if you're sitting in a cluster of people, and you're having a chat outside the conference hall or whatever look to your right look to your left. There's a gap. If there's not a gap in that circle of people that you're talking to make enough room that somebody can just kind of Seidel up and join the conversation, if they want nice, and that that's something like that. That is a it's good for listening exercises because I think at least Adam you, and I probably have problems listening sometimes. America org. Much better listener than either of recovery later. Oh, what was that? What was I I feel the whole. But yeah, make make your circles like pacman, and sort of like a circle when you're at a group, and then you'll meet interesting people because people will see that you're talking about something that they're interested in and they'll want to join they always have something. Good dad. Yeah. So you there you go. That's really cool. That's I mean, it's much more vocal about my about the social anxiety that I have and didn't acknowledge for a long long long. But you're not supposed to talk about that stuff. Adam. Jess no of they'd be. You know what else? Can you do them? As you got. We got to talk about it. Because otherwise we end up with people denying that things like man's planning exists. And then you're just like what you know. How could you even start a discussion? Well, I mean, so there's a conference is a festival in Portland every few every once in a while called Exo Exo, I think norm we've all been. I yeah. So I went to the very first one, and I immediately made a couple of friends in the first three hours. I was there. And then I hung out with those people the rest of the weekend. And it was great. It was a lovely time. But when I went back and saw all the people posting about that weekend. And saw all the other interesting people there were there that I missed just hung out with three people. I was comfortable with really like. Well, I've really boned this up have I that's so sedan foam. Oh, yeah. Look foam owes a real fo fellow is real positive syndrome. Also real. Be role in your role in the next time. I went a couple years later, I made a point to go up and introduce myself everybody who I thought was interesting anybody I wanted to meet, and it was a it was a, but I mean both of them were transformative experiences, but that second one and it's hard to do like. Yeah. No matter. No matter who you are what you do. It's always like, oh God, I introduced myself to skulls e again while we were there this weekend. So okay. I met you at stock. And he was like, oh, right. Yeah. I remember being Woodstock. But I'm sorry. That's okay. Actually, a lot of people. John does. Yeah. Yes. He's a busy, man. So what do you guys do while I was freezing my ass off in Chicago? I'm and I'm I'm as I will be for the next several for the next dozen weeks or so I am I'm still in production on this new project. We are this is airing. Jesse? Yes. So by the time, he listed this all have already been and come back from a film, filming shoot in the desert. Okay. And then a little trip to Los Angeles to take care of some other business and shoots going this. Just an incredible crew. We're making some beautiful televisions for different than what I've made before. Although it will also feel quite familiar. I it's really exciting. It's it's it's a really really neat thing that we're doing. So this is this is the first time in a while you've Mythbusters junior the I mean, obviously the last ten season of Mythbusters were informed by the first few seasons of Mythbusters. The Mythbusters juniors informed by everything that came before. Mythbusters? This is the first time in a while you've made something that was kind of from scratch. Well, and obviously it's got a ton of the same DNA that Mythbusters does because it's because it's me. Yeah. Of course, that's just in my bones about the way that I tell stories. But yes, there's an opportunity to kind of do something different. It's I think of it is less than opportunity than a requirement. Right. But also we've just made decisions to film certain things in different ways. And to choose to cover different aspects of the narrative, and then once it's in the edit suite, then a show comes out of that. We're and we're not sure what that shows gonna feel like, right? Like, that's the that's the coolest part to me is that you do your best onset. And then in post this show comes out of it. And the the fact is that the first rough cut of post I talked about this last time with junior the first rough cut out of post always unhinges me because it's not a show yet. Right. It's just an assembly of the story, but it doesn't have a point of view, and you kind of find that point of view in the first two or three episodes. And then you start to understand what you're what you're working with. It's it's that's that's been really fun. This reminds that you read that I owe nine interview with one of the editors of Black Panther. I did and captain marvel Berman is her name. Yes. And it was exactly what you're talking about. But for film, and I realize that also apply the TV shows and interview with Charles porn, more toy worth reading on nine. But the insights what people say about films truth films are made my multiple times when it's written when it's shot, and when it's edited and from her perspective as an editor she said, she at a film with out having it's almost like being dropped into the kitchen when when the meals are even half cooked. But she's cooking it then her way like without any of the direction is she thinks she does the first cut pass without talking about talking to anybody. But as as a totally fresh pair of eyes. Yeah. And that's Martin Scorsese is. Has been very vocal in his career that editing is the one aspect of filmmaking. That's different than any other narrative, art form of filmmaking uses all the other narrative art forms, but editing is its own things. Like, you have a found footage film. You'll find data to walks into a room. There's a bunch of footage, and they have to figure out how to glued altogether. It's it's not just about reviewing takes them picking out the best take from your perspective as an editor. But also she says she reviews like the minutes before takes began in the minutes after just the fuel the energy onset yet. What said between the actress between the directors and the crew just so that's how she absorbs the tone. And if you're if you're curious about this process at all, I strongly recommend you try filming something on your phone a few shots that you lay out. Okay. I need this this this and then try cutting them together in a movie, just probably simple. And it'll give you this gargantuan amount of respect for editors because. The the amount of of finesse you can have in the pacing of a story just by choosing between one frame and the next frame for cutting and the way a set of cuts pace together. And when you take a series of shots, and you find a way to cut them together that you don't notice the cuts are happening, but you're just experiencing a story. Holy cow. That is it's magic. Yeah. Yeah. What's the documentary that Joey used to recommend when people asked about any do you remember when it's the same name as the ice skating movie? Oh, the final cut final cut. No, no, no final. It's the cutting edge cutting edge there. Yes. Thank you. I like the way you guys worked. Yes. Cutting edge, very good ice skating topic. Yes. It's no. But it's a spectacular documentary explains. Like, it explains it's it's almost like film school one hundred like your it explains both editing history. Like like why we no longer do establishing shots in when somebody like when somebody changes venue in the seventies. You would always do in a saddle like in all the president's men. Woodward and Bernstein, go into the Washington Post. You have an exterior shot of the front door of the Washington Post says the Washington Post there, we don't do that anymore because people know what a newsroom looks like. And if you see a say, Lois lane and Clark Kent in a superman movie sitting in the daily planet newsroom, we all know that that's a newsroom, it's a bunch of deaths with computers on them and phones. And like they don't have to explain hey, the guys have returned to the to the newsroom. Stuff like that stuff. Like how you do cross cuts and stuff like that. All all of the things that it's kind of. It's another thing like letting right? It's a thing that once you once you once you understand it and see how it happens, you'll see it everywhere. And you'll be able to appreciate when it's awesome. It's totally true. And so I was talking to the post supervisor the guy who'd be overseeing all the cutting of the show came onto the set for the first few days, and we spent a lot of time talking we share a lot of cultural commonalities, he's just about my age from the same part of the country from the east coast, New York tristate area, and that gave us a little bit of a shorthand with each other. But also handed him my sketchbook instead spend a couple of hours just flipping through the sketchbook this'll give you an idea of the way, I approach my ideas, and the way I approach what I'm working on. And that might be germane to how we how we do graphics and post, and if you want to scan any of this stuff we can use that to. It's just like for the film director going back to analog before she went to edit. Plug a Black Panther. It's got a list of favorite films. Remind Kugler Ryan was surprised by. Oh, wow. Much darker grittier films than I had expected. But it wasn't like edit the scene this way. It's like these are my favorite films. Oh, I now have a sense of what your point from because it's all and that's a again, that's a really good director. Because you don't want to say edit, this film, this way, you don't wanna sit in the you you want to let the editor show you something. You didn't see about the footage you shot. You wanna let the post people we had this in the last couple of seasons of Mythbusters. We had a little extra dough in post and Katie the graphic supervisor at beyond productions, we just got this incredible. Charged to after the shows were cut. She got an extra week with each episode is that when they were doing like the dotted lines at them. So good layer in all that super graphics. And it was it added so much to on that stuff is expensive. Yeah, it's hard to do. It's hard to find people that can do it. Well, there's animation. There's graphics all the stuff around it. But when you really get to spend time layering that in you, just you make better you make better story is one of the reasons like shows, ignores rations when when Borden was doing was so good because they took that very seriously and every episode was edited and shot differently in the experimented with the formats, and you felt the. Jim, oh, del Toro. I I asked him. How do you rent? A a an art department was seventy five people. How do you tell each one of them went to draw muscle? And he said you gotta give everyone a completely free rein within a very narrow bandwidth. And it's a great way to talk about working with the team because you want people's ideas, you want them to bring their creativity and their point of view to your project. It's going to make it better. When you have that diverse. All those diverse viewpoints. It's funny. There was a post yesterday. I wish I could remember who did it. But basically said look we all know that Phantom Menace is a terrible movie. But it's a terrible movie with incredible art direction. And if you look at like, the diversity of the sets when you when you in posted a series of stills, and it was like new boo above water, new below water. Chorus on all the different places. Yeah. The Senate chambers, which is the first place you saw that. Natalie Portman, costumes, and like, it is it is there if you look at those still good God man, this movie is amazing. If you're a friend of mine told me exactly how to watch the prequels just turn the sound off. No, watch them in another language with subtitles his terrible dialogue is not so bad when you're reading it. That's interesting. This is he was a tricky taught me for seeing final fantasy the spirits with it. Right. And he was like great there. Joan watch it in English the scruple make you wanna cut yourself. He said watch it. He said try and get a Japanese DVD and watch it in Japanese with English subtitles, it'll feel totally awesome. And he was completely right? But they must subtitles is the dialogue from the script English yards in. It's not like a realization terrible. It's just less terrible. When you can kind of put it in your own. You're not listening to we'll see it was like localization where like jazz later translated back. I I think you're the one who told me that the the the not Janet on the good place in the second season bad Janet, Janet, I love. No, no, no, no, not bad. You bet. Good, john. It's boyfriend. Can't remember his name? Oh. Oops. All right. Sorry about that everybody. What an idiot. I'll show you video afterwards Janet, Janet Janet's could Janet's boyfriend Derrick Derrick, Derrick who's dialogue. Marketing Jackson told me. They translate into another language and then back into English, which seems perfect. Oh, it does. I always wonder how editor directors do their thing. And I know because Ryan Johnson does that right? He added his own movies. I think maybe I'm making that up. I'm not sure I look, I think of editing. Look I've done stop motion animation. I've done it enough to know that I that I could do it if you force me to, but it's a very specific gene pool of people who need to animate, we've met a lot of them through Tempa, etc. And I know that's not my gene pool and same with editing. I've done it. I've learned enough about it to have genuine deep respect for the practitioners of of it at a high level, and it's not my, gene pool. But like I could really understand being a director Steven Soderbergh shoots his own movies. And I totally can see that you know, he wants. That's how he is. He knows he's going to be able to get the movie he wants he's holding onto the camera. I just I just like, I know enough about editing editing videos on the internet to know that I can hack something together and make it look. Okay. But there's a big difference between that and and making something that just a Vokes emotion with your cuts and your shot choices and stuff like that. It's incredible. It really govt. There's a great editing blog art of the cut and the guy who runs it has access to a lot of a lot of big editors action compiled all these interviews into a book, they can find on Amazon. I also called art of the cut. And things like learned that when Steven Spielberg was directing the post he was doing the post and ready player one at same time editing both on the same editing team, which is great for them. Because totally get the take a step back. Oh, no, exactly doing each. Have. You have you watched all the president's men. And then followed it up with the post is those like in the timeline. Those are basically one after the other right, right? Right. Right to quench really. And they're like they're shot. Like, they colored rated the film in the post to feel like a nineteen seventies era. It's it's an amazing. Like, I I love all the president's men one of my favorite. Yeah. Not getting a story. Okay. So the documentary that documentaries and cutting edge anything else. I listen, Tony has Tony Joe ever done a thing on edit. He must have done a thing on editing in every frame painting. I've just not climbing down. I that. Yeah. Yeah. I was trying. So we were at we were eating at foreign cinema last night. And they were playing vertigo CEOs just goes on really good. And I seem to remember I couldn't remember it was Tony or not I forgot to go. Look it up when I got home. But there's a there is an online analysis of a long scene between Jimmy Stewart and a psychiatrist I think yes, when he's in the institution the last time, you see midge, I think she walks out the institution and in its heath is he talks about he's obsessed. But this this whole scene is involves all these camera angles and Hitchcock doing all of the storytelling by the choice of angles. And the way he's cutting and pasting the scene, and I was trying I was watching it at foreign cinema last night and try to remember. Who had done a piece because I wanted to go watch distracting when they play a movie that's too good at parts. The we've gone there. I mean, I eat there. Probably once a month either dinner or breakfast to breakfast now. Did you brunch on weekends? That is amazing. Let's say vertigo story. Just before. But one point we went there three times in a month. And that month they were playing. One car wise in the mood for love, which I don't know if you've seen it you've seen Wockhardt wise in the mood for love. You know, when you bite into something. And it's so good. But different that you're like, I clearly know nothing about food. Yeah. Right. You take in something. That's so other. It changes your whole perspective on that landscape in the mood for love made. It clear to me that I know nothing about color in film. It is mind blowing dive into the power of color as a as an emotional driver of the plot. Like, a Stanley dawn in film is so incredible. And he won't car why use a safety for a lot of films in Australian men whose name escapes me right off the top of my head. But in the mood for love. He did a hero as well. But that if he was this is the same. Oh, really? Okay. You're right. A such an amazing film again foam, I barely remember what I ate because in the mood for love is so distracting lovely. I guess that makes watching films in foreign cinema. And having that sense memory. It's a sinister Asia experience as you're eating some delicious food right being vote in the back in the corner of your I know he. Like, well, it's inception right there in there accepting a feeling into you with food, and then they're also glomming onto a movie that's spectacular often. I watched vertigo recently was on TV with my housemates who'd been not seen it before haven't seen. And it was like you're the end of the film. I don't get this film. And so I jumped up out on my couch and had the remote a, you know, how like DVR can on like YouTube TV or something you can scroll back and forth, and you see like on that flex and you see the small thumbnail, I use the thumbnails the PowerPoint presentation as I jumped back and forth to point out points. And went on a fifteen minute motion the restaurant scene in glowing green in the mail gays, and it was easy way to go back and forth while that is. Well, yeah. And then I sat down reminding me that in high school, my best friend wanted to show be Quadrophenia. And we were watching Quadrophenia, and I was like, oh is that sting? Oh my God. I think that's sting, and he was like, okay, any paused it, and he was like, I don't think you understand Quadrophenia on the television. And you're talking. Please stop. Here's a little bit of a debt. Okay. Yeah. I I had the exact opposite experience. I watched Star Trek discovery on the plane. Yeah. And I hadn't watched Star Trek discovery at the TV show the TV show. And I think you told me it starts slow, and then it gets. Okay. And that's that's accurate. That's all. That's all. I got. I got no feedback other than that. It's okay. That's it. Yeah. Well, all right. Okay. Awesome. Okay. Here's here's my here's my here's my analysis of the first ten episodes of Star Trek discovery or only ten episodes this fifteen. Okay. And there's two new ones now. It is an interesting premise with some really I have some real problems with the early character development. They introduced characters solely for you to hate. And then redeem them over the next two episodes of each of after the introduction of the character. And it doesn't unlike every other track which starts out with. Hey, here's a crew that is a unified cohesive team. This one starts this is maybe a spoiler. But it happens in the first thirty minutes with a mutiny, which doesn't seem very roddenbury. Now. Oh, it's not good after you get past the first five episodes. It gets it. They like so far of the first ten episodes, which I've watched they've had maybe two episodes that feel like classic track. And then the rest of them feel like a war movie, it feels a little bit like a submarine movie. A lot from like Liga sixties like run silent run deep or no older than that run silent. Run deep a little more tense a little bit less. You know, let's send the new kid down into the bowels to die. It's in and gets kind of intense, and then deals with some some philosophical stuff that isn't entirely vapid. Speaking of submarine movies, the star of one of the great ones crimson tide. Oh, yeah. Gene. Burns your keys, sir. Gene, Hackman turned. I think eighty nine the other day how? Yeah. No. I know Gene, Hackman is French connection. I'm a huge, Gene Hackman is like. We've talked about this before, but they're actors that whenever they're in a movie, you know, that that movie is going to be better. And there are people like Aaron Eckhart, Don Cheadle, Gene, Hackman, you put them in any movie any role, and they're going to do something interesting with William fick nurse. Another us. What's is was Gene Hackman and conspiracy theory or enemy of the state enemy of the state and the state he actually played the same character. Hurry, call that he played in Coppola the conversation. Wait what really? Yes. I had no idea. Okay. It's kind of done as an Easter egg. But however when you see gene Hackman's characters early youthful ide-, they're using a picture of Harry, call from the conversation. Oh my God. So head cannon. Why? Yeah. Also Poseidon invents five adventure adventure. French connection is my lex Luther superman. You know, what I'm gonna go until you those early superman movies when you go back and watch them now. They're they're not as good as you. Remember that being a great rhetorical flourish in the first superman movie where he says because he wants to detonate some nuclear explosives and drop California into the Pacific Ocean. He says, it's okay, we all have our faults minds in California. I always liked that joke. I got that the movie came out. I got that joke of made me feel good to very like comic horror. We're going to pull something's in the comic books and put it into this film. Here we go says Richard Donner pulled it off. But Gene Hackman also comes out of comes out of that nineteen seventies. I feel like he's a direct result of the cast of Eddie's revolution where early seventies. Hollywood started casting what they thought of as ugly people like Dustin Hoffman roles because they were great actors, but they weren't just they weren't pretty and Hackman comes out of I think that that early in the film a shift in the way, we made movie so. They thought Hackman wasn't an attractive, man. Yup. Look, I mean, I mean, this is on a continuum. I mean, I guess if you have Cary Grant over here ackman is a level. All standing next to Cary Grant, and Robert Redford, and they're both together in the navy. Not classic film. Runaway jury with John cusak. How in the John Grisham movie the based on the John Grisham books? So I think so. Yeah. Runaway jury is John Grisham film. But wait, which one is runaway jury runaway jury is the one where they load the jury and John Q second. I believe ritual Weiss or in on it to get him on the jury. That's a hell set test to to to make the right call and Gene Hackman plays like the agent the operative who know the behind the scenes tries to load the jury and get the defense. And then Dustin Hoffman is the the goodhearted prosecutor. So the secret of John Grisham novels. There are three good ones. There's the firm made into a okay movie with Tom Cruise. Let's say a book on it by Thors. Well is not my doors. There's a time to kill which is the one that got made the move Sam Jackson, which is AXA Matthew. Econo- hair? Sandra Bullock's horrific mood sexual movie. And then the last one is pelican brief pelican brief phenomenal. Julia Roberts, wonderful movie was Denzel Washington, Elliot. Robertson Sam shepherd. I believe plays professor that dies in the beginning spoilers. Yeah. Those are the only three held John Grisham book ranks leaving. I've read another John Grisham movie book that I didn't hate do know there's a lot that you don't hate. But those are the three good ones. Yeah. That's that's my that's send your comments tested dot com. Rainmakers about insurance. It's great. It's fabulous. It's the best book about insurance I've ever read weight. But this is the one that was a movie starring Matt Damon. I didn't see the movie Louisiana courtroom made all the radiators for that movie. Really? No. For jamie. I've got a piece of one of them over there under Neath. The I was wondering why you had a radiator in the shop because it's always cold as we made. Shot they shot in a landmark courtroom in New Orleans. And then they replicated that courtroom on Treasure Island for a bunch of extra scenes, and when they did the thirteen radiators that they that were in the original courtroom. It was it was cheaper to have us build them from scratch than it was to ship like eighteen hundred pounds of raid heat from wherever they were around the country. Well, I guess that's I mean, no better place to stop them. From the coldest part of the country right now to fake heated. So it just to be clear. It was cold. When I was there. It's really really cold. Now, it's frozen. Water boiling water up in the air. And it turns into into snow. Also, let's please stop throwing boiling water at each other. Apparently every year like dozens of are harmed and burnt by boiling water being thrown at each other trying to get YouTube videos known. Yeah, I was just reading about injuries happening as a result. Don't throw the boiling water each other don't if you spin if you try to do the new kind of spinning make sure you have a spotter. Maybe don't do it while you're driving. I'm just going to go out there and say, that's good advice. You're maybe if some places we called you don't have to go out of the house. Don't go tape up your windows and on the heater extra high. And look I got into a car and the person who's driving like, hey, can you rub? Your mitten on the inside of the window. So I can see out of the rear view mirror on the side. And I was like. Wait, this that I'm the frost. That's on the inside of the window that I'm rubbing off is is the the water from your breath. Right. When you wrote in the car last time. Yeah. Yup. This is people shouldn't live here. This is not a good place for seventy Susie say that to somebody in Chicago. And yeah, it's not that bad. It's you know, it's it's a little colder than normal right now. It's not that like you sneak up on them when they're talking to each other like, geez. It's so effing cold. I get why why does anybody live here? This is terrible. Anyway. Stay safe. Stay save one announcement to make if you've been watching the video you'll notice that I'm wearing Lee new tested T shirt, which is available now on cotton bureau. I'll put a link in the description is very, but it was designed by one of you out there. Listening to this podcast or watch reviewers Karen who goes by those nearly design sketches she just mazing sketch art and work with her to design this it's available for next two weeks on cotton bureau, or it can find the link below. And as always with cotton bureau, it's print to order. So they'll do all the orders the two weeks. They'll close them they'll print them. So it'll be like a month probably before your through at least more than two weeks before you start seeing t shirts. 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Appreciation for Editors - Still Untitled: The Adam Savage Project - 2/5/19

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Appreciation for Editors - Still Untitled: The Adam Savage Project - 2/5/19

"Welcome to still entitled the attitude. I'm will I'm at an im norm loan provided back back to the original track again. Yeah, you guys had some substitute me in last week. I I can't even remember us. You were traveling. I was well recently. I I was in the Northland I went. I went to the land. That was so cold right now that they don't have a color for it on the weather maps. Oh, really the case. It's really the case then end of US goes to purple I think, and then there's white, and then there's just clear so west I was in Chicago this weekend every year, I've been lucky enough to be invited to thing. That's put on by some friends of ours. Zack from invincibles and Fitz from talk formerly of Google who I think everybody here knows. And we do this thing called Ord camp. And I went to Chicago in the middle of January when you go in they have a sign that says takes a special kind of person to come to Chicago in January. Welcome you bat as and the very first time I ever went to Chicago was in January. Yeah. It's great to go there, man. It was brutal. I was loading some of Chico mcmurtry sculptures into the Art Institute. They're back in probably ninety to ninety three was like did was it. Let me ask. I've I have some new perspective on cold that. I know this week was not nearly as when I went it was not nearly as cold as it is this week at all. So I left I think the coldest Seagal. I was. It was like negative teens, which meant let's see if you breathe in through your nose and breathe out through your nose the moisture that that condenses on your nose hair freezes on the next inhale. So it feels like there's a Caterpillar in your nostrils, Krause, it meant that. I only wear one layer of pets most days all from California and all fly in whether my ass you like when you're walking around like the places where skin is luckily, I have a beard, and I had a hat mittens. But the like the area from the top of my beard to my glasses just felt like knives or stabbing it, and then if you've been outside for about ten minutes that also happens to your ass if you're not wearing Pence. Let's see what else. What else did? I learn. I learned that if you lay down and make a snow angel when it's that cold. It is almost certainly a mistake. And that it when she get below negative ten than it's cold enough that your skin doesn't have to be wet to stick to metal. So oh, yeah. Like it started getting tacky. When I grab door handles gloves on Monday when we were filming in. Matsue Alaska and staying at the captain cook hotel in stayed. They're just terrific fell fabulous. If you ever go to the captain cook. Again, there's a fabulous breakfast. They do we ate the eggs with salmon hat. I didn't have that. This is when you guys made those votes. No, the Belcher were made in Ketchikan. Okay. The second time we went, you know, the one thing Ketchikan needs bridge. That's that's where the bridgeton nowhere nowhere cancelled by Palin. But there's an island where you land, and you have to take a ferry to the mainland where you know. Anyway. No. That was Ketchikan was the boats when we were in Matsue we were in. That was frozen lake your dynamite dynamite fishing on a frozen lake losing the SUV into the lake. Okay. So we're back at the hotel one night, and it's like twenty five below zero. And literally so-called we're getting headaches going the sixty feet. Forget a car get the brain freeze if you don't have a hat on. But it was also like part of we were there in. Early January, and there was some kind of winter prom happening. And these Alaskan high school students were getting out of their limos in mini skirts. Walking into the hotel totally immune to that cold was incredible. So we're bundled angry. And these like girls are getting out in miniskirts fashions and not even not even responding. Did you see that video on social media was Greenland the airport? That's that runway. That's basically on a strip of ice. And it's a POV video from the cockpit of the airplane ads approaching and it's beautiful because it's like persistent goal now or at the time of year something, but basically ice on water, and you see this landing strip and the lights lining it. And it's like science fiction any lands on mazing. You just kind of you don't stop you just skin until you are no longer scans. So. So I can't talk about a lot of what goes on at camp because it's a it's a friend DA kind of unconscious thing, and I don't know if we've actually explained we've talked about this a couple of times before but we've never explained what an uncommon says. And it's kind of it's kind of I would describe it as a super inclusive thing, depending on how you do your invitations and stuff now, but they do a really good job of getting people of of diverse viewpoints and perspectives and backgrounds and everything and then the people that they invite kind of determine what the topics are. So I went to sessions about playing the accordion and learning to write up song. And I went to I went to like, I there were a couple of astronauts there. So I got to go to astronaut sessions fantasy camp there were board games, and like unreleased board games and old classic stuff. Like there was up so much LEGO millennium. Falcon that was just set up there that people would kind of sit down and figure out Norman I've done this a bunch with these. Big projects it's hard to divvy that stuff up and the people they were just kind of sit down and spontaneously figure out. Okay. You do this part? I'll do this part. You find some pieces all do some pieces. Yada, yada. A lot of like novel foods to taste one of local beekeeper always brings Honey she's collected from all around and all around town. Hell like, oh, this is where the Lincoln berries are. And this is where the gra- this is worth clover is and all this stuff. But I got a new sensation this week. What does that mean? We'll so you're you're you're in your mid thirties. Norm, you're in your mid fifties. Adam I'm in my mid forties. It's unusual that I feel something you like pro proprietor. Censor proprietorship Shen has a new stimulus at this point in my life like physical since I've felt I felt I felt burning. I felt cold. I felt stabbing. I felt all the different all the normal stuff the love shouted covered. Yeah. The the the love of of a human being. A cognitive neuroscience taught me how to how to get dizzy in a new way. Yeah. So we can share. It's like. I didn't ask you. But I think it'll be okay. So you're vestibular system. Your inner ear has tubes. Three tubes. And they're all into different ways. Which is why we have a six axis gyroscope at our head, basically. Right right and liquid sloshes around hits the hairs inside your ear. And that's that's what determines what how we feel where where we feel like the center of the earth is point of gravity pulling us down. And if you spin then what happens in stops suddenly than the spinning the liquid sloshes up when the centripetal force pushes it to the edge of those canals. And then when he stops suddenly sloshes, so we've all sat in an office chair in spun right, and then stopped and you'd like on dizzy if you tilt your head down. So that if you're listening to the audio if you make your the front of your face parallel with the floor, right and spend a chair and then stop suddenly instead of a vertical dizziness. This is like a horizontal horizontal dizziness. This is this is the second racist. Right. Then what happens is when you stop and look up, then your eyes will keep trying to track left and right as you're going back and forth. So. With the ISO would vomited. So so this is the interesting thing she said, some people are way more sensitive to one than others to the point that like she said she can only do one of them like a half a turn before. She's like, I don't want to do this anymore. This is bad because I mean, you're gone if you get nauseous that's the next two hours. Well, and so we were talking because we were talking about VR stuff for obvious reasons. And I was like look I've noticed that there's a real spectrum on the VR world of people who feel no motion sickness like me who people feel a lot of motion sickness like my wife, and you're you're pretty sensitive to norm somewhere in the middle. Little the other end some. But the thing I never felt both of those kinds of motion sickness of spinning before the third one was brand new. So you told us your ear is perpendicular is parallel to the floor and then spend in the office chair and stop suddenly and. Like, you have no sense of forward and backwards. Like, do don't do this don't do this. If you don't have somebody there to catch you when you get your almost certainly going either fall backwards or forwards. L are thinking about this like off the chair, you're leaning. So I asked that and she said, no, she said all you're doing is getting the center getting the liquid sloshing up on the sides. And then stopping suddenly, right, right? So you hit the hairs. It's it seems like you can maybe tolerate tolerated more if you're on access, but I think that that's my theory not official signs. So it's a fascinating weekend. It's like it's a it's a rat event. I highly recommend people look on conferences. You can host them yourself. You just need a place an interesting people to invite you don't need like, you know, you don't need big sponsors or anything like that you need a room, and some people some maybe some food is that the kind of thing where everyone has to present. No, you don't. So. So they have the way the way they do the actual scheduling is at the they have an opening session where they kind of say, hey, here's why you hear the new people. And then they let usually different groups go this year. I think they picked even number birthdays. I so you get like half the people out there at once and they have these big boards. Have all the rooms that are available all the spaces. That are available and our longtime slots in each one. So people take a big three by five posted card posted note. Right there pitch idea on it smack it up on the board. And then over the next two or three hours. People will come by and stick little little little dots. Those little paper dots on the one. So you can kind of move the ones to indicate that they're interested in the session. And what that does is. Let's the organizers kind of the ones that have more interested into the bigger rooms, and the ones that have less the smaller rooms, but it kind of self organizes, it's really it's really neat process. And and you know, as opposed to a normal conference. It goes from like nine o'clock in the morning until five o'clock. And then you go home and go to a bar or something hang out with people that you met that day. This one starts at like ten and goes until six o'clock in the morning, sometimes lag people stay up late at in the wee hours. People are playing like where will and making music and working on LEGO, singing, karaoke, and all sorts of stuff. It's a it's a it's a it's I find. It always interesting to get a big giant group of interesting people together and let them chat. What if you're incredibly socially awkward and have a lot of social anxiety? So. This is funny because one of the things that we have talked about in the post of post wraps of these is imposter syndrome, right? I think I have it almost every conference. I go everybody does. I mean like there's sociopaths and these people have imposter somewhere on that spectrum. Right. One of the ways that you fix imposter syndrome was by talking about it, right? Like, the cure for imposter syndrome is acknowledging that hey, everybody has a positive imposter syndrome is the idea that like that person that I'm looking at over there definitely deserves to be here. But I have no idea why I'm here. And here's like I have a great test case for why it's important to talk about imposter syndrome five six years ago. I was having coffee with a good friend who was about who is about my age, and I talked about the syndrome, and he was like step there. But what is that? And I explained and he looked like white is it ghost. And he said I thought it was only me, and I was like, oh, buddy. I'm so glad to welcome you to the club. So an so one of the things that fits ANZAC do at the beginning is they say, look, everybody's here because for reason, right? The if you were invited to come here your or your application was accepted. You are interesting. And you have something to add whether it's in terms of presenting or sharing something that you know, or just asking questions or listening and being generally interesting, right? Like, there's no there's no right or wrong and everybody contributes, and it's a it's a lovely weekend. So I have a variation on that. Okay. The finish definition you gave imposter syndrome of being at a van Orna room any place where you feel like the other person in the room. But definitely belongs there, and you don't belong. I think the variation. I have is not that they belong here. But that someone in my field should be here. Instead of me. I think I mean, I think that's a that's very apt. Yeah. That's right. It's not like an extension of someone. Could be taking more advantage of this opportunity than what I can do with it. Yes. We'll so the other thing the other thing that they do, and this is another part of being inclusive that isn't necessarily related to gender or ethnicity, your religion, or whatever. But I think fits calls us when the pacman role. So if you're sitting in a cluster of people, and you're having a chat outside the conference hall or whatever look to your right look to your left. There's a gap. If there's not a gap in that circle of people that you're talking to make enough room that somebody can just kind of Seidel up and join the conversation, if they want nice, and that that's something like that. That is a it's good for listening exercises because I think at least Adam you, and I probably have problems listening sometimes. America org. Much better listener than either of recovery later. Oh, what was that? What was I I feel the whole. But yeah, make make your circles like pacman, and sort of like a circle when you're at a group, and then you'll meet interesting people because people will see that you're talking about something that they're interested in and they'll want to join they always have something. Good dad. Yeah. So you there you go. That's really cool. That's I mean, it's much more vocal about my about the social anxiety that I have and didn't acknowledge for a long long long. But you're not supposed to talk about that stuff. Adam. Jess no of they'd be. You know what else? Can you do them? As you got. We got to talk about it. Because otherwise we end up with people denying that things like man's planning exists. And then you're just like what you know. How could you even start a discussion? Well, I mean, so there's a conference is a festival in Portland every few every once in a while called Exo Exo, I think norm we've all been. I yeah. So I went to the very first one, and I immediately made a couple of friends in the first three hours. I was there. And then I hung out with those people the rest of the weekend. And it was great. It was a lovely time. But when I went back and saw all the people posting about that weekend. And saw all the other interesting people there were there that I missed just hung out with three people. I was comfortable with really like. Well, I've really boned this up have I that's so sedan foam. Oh, yeah. Look foam owes a real fo fellow is real positive syndrome. Also real. Be role in your role in the next time. I went a couple years later, I made a point to go up and introduce myself everybody who I thought was interesting anybody I wanted to meet, and it was a it was a, but I mean both of them were transformative experiences, but that second one and it's hard to do like. Yeah. No matter. No matter who you are what you do. It's always like, oh God, I introduced myself to skulls e again while we were there this weekend. So okay. I met you at stock. And he was like, oh, right. Yeah. I remember being Woodstock. But I'm sorry. That's okay. Actually, a lot of people. John does. Yeah. Yes. He's a busy, man. So what do you guys do while I was freezing my ass off in Chicago? I'm and I'm I'm as I will be for the next several for the next dozen weeks or so I am I'm still in production on this new project. We are this is airing. Jesse? Yes. So by the time, he listed this all have already been and come back from a film, filming shoot in the desert. Okay. And then a little trip to Los Angeles to take care of some other business and shoots going this. Just an incredible crew. We're making some beautiful televisions for different than what I've made before. Although it will also feel quite familiar. I it's really exciting. It's it's it's a really really neat thing that we're doing. So this is this is the first time in a while you've Mythbusters junior the I mean, obviously the last ten season of Mythbusters were informed by the first few seasons of Mythbusters. The Mythbusters juniors informed by everything that came before. Mythbusters? This is the first time in a while you've made something that was kind of from scratch. Well, and obviously it's got a ton of the same DNA that Mythbusters does because it's because it's me. Yeah. Of course, that's just in my bones about the way that I tell stories. But yes, there's an opportunity to kind of do something different. It's I think of it is less than opportunity than a requirement. Right. But also we've just made decisions to film certain things in different ways. And to choose to cover different aspects of the narrative, and then once it's in the edit suite, then a show comes out of that. We're and we're not sure what that shows gonna feel like, right? Like, that's the that's the coolest part to me is that you do your best onset. And then in post this show comes out of it. And the the fact is that the first rough cut of post I talked about this last time with junior the first rough cut out of post always unhinges me because it's not a show yet. Right. It's just an assembly of the story, but it doesn't have a point of view, and you kind of find that point of view in the first two or three episodes. And then you start to understand what you're what you're working with. It's it's that's that's been really fun. This reminds that you read that I owe nine interview with one of the editors of Black Panther. I did and captain marvel Berman is her name. Yes. And it was exactly what you're talking about. But for film, and I realize that also apply the TV shows and interview with Charles porn, more toy worth reading on nine. But the insights what people say about films truth films are made my multiple times when it's written when it's shot, and when it's edited and from her perspective as an editor she said, she at a film with out having it's almost like being dropped into the kitchen when when the meals are even half cooked. But she's cooking it then her way like without any of the direction is she thinks she does the first cut pass without talking about talking to anybody. But as as a totally fresh pair of eyes. Yeah. And that's Martin Scorsese is. Has been very vocal in his career that editing is the one aspect of filmmaking. That's different than any other narrative, art form of filmmaking uses all the other narrative art forms, but editing is its own things. Like, you have a found footage film. You'll find data to walks into a room. There's a bunch of footage, and they have to figure out how to glued altogether. It's it's not just about reviewing takes them picking out the best take from your perspective as an editor. But also she says she reviews like the minutes before takes began in the minutes after just the fuel the energy onset yet. What said between the actress between the directors and the crew just so that's how she absorbs the tone. And if you're if you're curious about this process at all, I strongly recommend you try filming something on your phone a few shots that you lay out. Okay. I need this this this and then try cutting them together in a movie, just probably simple. And it'll give you this gargantuan amount of respect for editors because. The the amount of of finesse you can have in the pacing of a story just by choosing between one frame and the next frame for cutting and the way a set of cuts pace together. And when you take a series of shots, and you find a way to cut them together that you don't notice the cuts are happening, but you're just experiencing a story. Holy cow. That is it's magic. Yeah. Yeah. What's the documentary that Joey used to recommend when people asked about any do you remember when it's the same name as the ice skating movie? Oh, the final cut final cut. No, no, no final. It's the cutting edge cutting edge there. Yes. Thank you. I like the way you guys worked. Yes. Cutting edge, very good ice skating topic. Yes. It's no. But it's a spectacular documentary explains. Like, it explains it's it's almost like film school one hundred like your it explains both editing history. Like like why we no longer do establishing shots in when somebody like when somebody changes venue in the seventies. You would always do in a saddle like in all the president's men. Woodward and Bernstein, go into the Washington Post. You have an exterior shot of the front door of the Washington Post says the Washington Post there, we don't do that anymore because people know what a newsroom looks like. And if you see a say, Lois lane and Clark Kent in a superman movie sitting in the daily planet newsroom, we all know that that's a newsroom, it's a bunch of deaths with computers on them and phones. And like they don't have to explain hey, the guys have returned to the to the newsroom. Stuff like that stuff. Like how you do cross cuts and stuff like that. All all of the things that it's kind of. It's another thing like letting right? It's a thing that once you once you once you understand it and see how it happens, you'll see it everywhere. And you'll be able to appreciate when it's awesome. It's totally true. And so I was talking to the post supervisor the guy who'd be overseeing all the cutting of the show came onto the set for the first few days, and we spent a lot of time talking we share a lot of cultural commonalities, he's just about my age from the same part of the country from the east coast, New York tristate area, and that gave us a little bit of a shorthand with each other. But also handed him my sketchbook instead spend a couple of hours just flipping through the sketchbook this'll give you an idea of the way, I approach my ideas, and the way I approach what I'm working on. And that might be germane to how we how we do graphics and post, and if you want to scan any of this stuff we can use that to. It's just like for the film director going back to analog before she went to edit. Plug a Black Panther. It's got a list of favorite films. Remind Kugler Ryan was surprised by. Oh, wow. Much darker grittier films than I had expected. But it wasn't like edit the scene this way. It's like these are my favorite films. Oh, I now have a sense of what your point from because it's all and that's a again, that's a really good director. Because you don't want to say edit, this film, this way, you don't wanna sit in the you you want to let the editor show you something. You didn't see about the footage you shot. You wanna let the post people we had this in the last couple of seasons of Mythbusters. We had a little extra dough in post and Katie the graphic supervisor at beyond productions, we just got this incredible. Charged to after the shows were cut. She got an extra week with each episode is that when they were doing like the dotted lines at them. So good layer in all that super graphics. And it was it added so much to on that stuff is expensive. Yeah, it's hard to do. It's hard to find people that can do it. Well, there's animation. There's graphics all the stuff around it. But when you really get to spend time layering that in you, just you make better you make better story is one of the reasons like shows, ignores rations when when Borden was doing was so good because they took that very seriously and every episode was edited and shot differently in the experimented with the formats, and you felt the. Jim, oh, del Toro. I I asked him. How do you rent? A a an art department was seventy five people. How do you tell each one of them went to draw muscle? And he said you gotta give everyone a completely free rein within a very narrow bandwidth. And it's a great way to talk about working with the team because you want people's ideas, you want them to bring their creativity and their point of view to your project. It's going to make it better. When you have that diverse. All those diverse viewpoints. It's funny. There was a post yesterday. I wish I could remember who did it. But basically said look we all know that Phantom Menace is a terrible movie. But it's a terrible movie with incredible art direction. And if you look at like, the diversity of the sets when you when you in posted a series of stills, and it was like new boo above water, new below water. Chorus on all the different places. Yeah. The Senate chambers, which is the first place you saw that. Natalie Portman, costumes, and like, it is it is there if you look at those still good God man, this movie is amazing. If you're a friend of mine told me exactly how to watch the prequels just turn the sound off. No, watch them in another language with subtitles his terrible dialogue is not so bad when you're reading it. That's interesting. This is he was a tricky taught me for seeing final fantasy the spirits with it. Right. And he was like great there. Joan watch it in English the scruple make you wanna cut yourself. He said watch it. He said try and get a Japanese DVD and watch it in Japanese with English subtitles, it'll feel totally awesome. And he was completely right? But they must subtitles is the dialogue from the script English yards in. It's not like a realization terrible. It's just less terrible. When you can kind of put it in your own. You're not listening to we'll see it was like localization where like jazz later translated back. I I think you're the one who told me that the the the not Janet on the good place in the second season bad Janet, Janet, I love. No, no, no, no, not bad. You bet. Good, john. It's boyfriend. Can't remember his name? Oh. Oops. All right. Sorry about that everybody. What an idiot. I'll show you video afterwards Janet, Janet Janet's could Janet's boyfriend Derrick Derrick, Derrick who's dialogue. Marketing Jackson told me. They translate into another language and then back into English, which seems perfect. Oh, it does. I always wonder how editor directors do their thing. And I know because Ryan Johnson does that right? He added his own movies. I think maybe I'm making that up. I'm not sure I look, I think of editing. Look I've done stop motion animation. I've done it enough to know that I that I could do it if you force me to, but it's a very specific gene pool of people who need to animate, we've met a lot of them through Tempa, etc. And I know that's not my gene pool and same with editing. I've done it. I've learned enough about it to have genuine deep respect for the practitioners of of it at a high level, and it's not my, gene pool. But like I could really understand being a director Steven Soderbergh shoots his own movies. And I totally can see that you know, he wants. That's how he is. He knows he's going to be able to get the movie he wants he's holding onto the camera. I just I just like, I know enough about editing editing videos on the internet to know that I can hack something together and make it look. Okay. But there's a big difference between that and and making something that just a Vokes emotion with your cuts and your shot choices and stuff like that. It's incredible. It really govt. There's a great editing blog art of the cut and the guy who runs it has access to a lot of a lot of big editors action compiled all these interviews into a book, they can find on Amazon. I also called art of the cut. And things like learned that when Steven Spielberg was directing the post he was doing the post and ready player one at same time editing both on the same editing team, which is great for them. Because totally get the take a step back. Oh, no, exactly doing each. Have. You have you watched all the president's men. And then followed it up with the post is those like in the timeline. Those are basically one after the other right, right? Right. Right to quench really. And they're like they're shot. Like, they colored rated the film in the post to feel like a nineteen seventies era. It's it's an amazing. Like, I I love all the president's men one of my favorite. Yeah. Not getting a story. Okay. So the documentary that documentaries and cutting edge anything else. I listen, Tony has Tony Joe ever done a thing on edit. He must have done a thing on editing in every frame painting. I've just not climbing down. I that. Yeah. Yeah. I was trying. So we were at we were eating at foreign cinema last night. And they were playing vertigo CEOs just goes on really good. And I seem to remember I couldn't remember it was Tony or not I forgot to go. Look it up when I got home. But there's a there is an online analysis of a long scene between Jimmy Stewart and a psychiatrist I think yes, when he's in the institution the last time, you see midge, I think she walks out the institution and in its heath is he talks about he's obsessed. But this this whole scene is involves all these camera angles and Hitchcock doing all of the storytelling by the choice of angles. And the way he's cutting and pasting the scene, and I was trying I was watching it at foreign cinema last night and try to remember. Who had done a piece because I wanted to go watch distracting when they play a movie that's too good at parts. The we've gone there. I mean, I eat there. Probably once a month either dinner or breakfast to breakfast now. Did you brunch on weekends? That is amazing. Let's say vertigo story. Just before. But one point we went there three times in a month. And that month they were playing. One car wise in the mood for love, which I don't know if you've seen it you've seen Wockhardt wise in the mood for love. You know, when you bite into something. And it's so good. But different that you're like, I clearly know nothing about food. Yeah. Right. You take in something. That's so other. It changes your whole perspective on that landscape in the mood for love made. It clear to me that I know nothing about color in film. It is mind blowing dive into the power of color as a as an emotional driver of the plot. Like, a Stanley dawn in film is so incredible. And he won't car why use a safety for a lot of films in Australian men whose name escapes me right off the top of my head. But in the mood for love. He did a hero as well. But that if he was this is the same. Oh, really? Okay. You're right. A such an amazing film again foam, I barely remember what I ate because in the mood for love is so distracting lovely. I guess that makes watching films in foreign cinema. And having that sense memory. It's a sinister Asia experience as you're eating some delicious food right being vote in the back in the corner of your I know he. Like, well, it's inception right there in there accepting a feeling into you with food, and then they're also glomming onto a movie that's spectacular often. I watched vertigo recently was on TV with my housemates who'd been not seen it before haven't seen. And it was like you're the end of the film. I don't get this film. And so I jumped up out on my couch and had the remote a, you know, how like DVR can on like YouTube TV or something you can scroll back and forth, and you see like on that flex and you see the small thumbnail, I use the thumbnails the PowerPoint presentation as I jumped back and forth to point out points. And went on a fifteen minute motion the restaurant scene in glowing green in the mail gays, and it was easy way to go back and forth while that is. Well, yeah. And then I sat down reminding me that in high school, my best friend wanted to show be Quadrophenia. And we were watching Quadrophenia, and I was like, oh is that sting? Oh my God. I think that's sting, and he was like, okay, any paused it, and he was like, I don't think you understand Quadrophenia on the television. And you're talking. Please stop. Here's a little bit of a debt. Okay. Yeah. I I had the exact opposite experience. I watched Star Trek discovery on the plane. Yeah. And I hadn't watched Star Trek discovery at the TV show the TV show. And I think you told me it starts slow, and then it gets. Okay. And that's that's accurate. That's all. That's all. I got. I got no feedback other than that. It's okay. That's it. Yeah. Well, all right. Okay. Awesome. Okay. Here's here's my here's my here's my analysis of the first ten episodes of Star Trek discovery or only ten episodes this fifteen. Okay. And there's two new ones now. It is an interesting premise with some really I have some real problems with the early character development. They introduced characters solely for you to hate. And then redeem them over the next two episodes of each of after the introduction of the character. And it doesn't unlike every other track which starts out with. Hey, here's a crew that is a unified cohesive team. This one starts this is maybe a spoiler. But it happens in the first thirty minutes with a mutiny, which doesn't seem very roddenbury. Now. Oh, it's not good after you get past the first five episodes. It gets it. They like so far of the first ten episodes, which I've watched they've had maybe two episodes that feel like classic track. And then the rest of them feel like a war movie, it feels a little bit like a submarine movie. A lot from like Liga sixties like run silent run deep or no older than that run silent. Run deep a little more tense a little bit less. You know, let's send the new kid down into the bowels to die. It's in and gets kind of intense, and then deals with some some philosophical stuff that isn't entirely vapid. Speaking of submarine movies, the star of one of the great ones crimson tide. Oh, yeah. Gene. Burns your keys, sir. Gene, Hackman turned. I think eighty nine the other day how? Yeah. No. I know Gene, Hackman is French connection. I'm a huge, Gene Hackman is like. We've talked about this before, but they're actors that whenever they're in a movie, you know, that that movie is going to be better. And there are people like Aaron Eckhart, Don Cheadle, Gene, Hackman, you put them in any movie any role, and they're going to do something interesting with William fick nurse. Another us. What's is was Gene Hackman and conspiracy theory or enemy of the state enemy of the state and the state he actually played the same character. Hurry, call that he played in Coppola the conversation. Wait what really? Yes. I had no idea. Okay. It's kind of done as an Easter egg. But however when you see gene Hackman's characters early youthful ide-, they're using a picture of Harry, call from the conversation. Oh my God. So head cannon. Why? Yeah. Also Poseidon invents five adventure adventure. French connection is my lex Luther superman. You know, what I'm gonna go until you those early superman movies when you go back and watch them now. They're they're not as good as you. Remember that being a great rhetorical flourish in the first superman movie where he says because he wants to detonate some nuclear explosives and drop California into the Pacific Ocean. He says, it's okay, we all have our faults minds in California. I always liked that joke. I got that the movie came out. I got that joke of made me feel good to very like comic horror. We're going to pull something's in the comic books and put it into this film. Here we go says Richard Donner pulled it off. But Gene Hackman also comes out of comes out of that nineteen seventies. I feel like he's a direct result of the cast of Eddie's revolution where early seventies. Hollywood started casting what they thought of as ugly people like Dustin Hoffman roles because they were great actors, but they weren't just they weren't pretty and Hackman comes out of I think that that early in the film a shift in the way, we made movie so. They thought Hackman wasn't an attractive, man. Yup. Look, I mean, I mean, this is on a continuum. I mean, I guess if you have Cary Grant over here ackman is a level. All standing next to Cary Grant, and Robert Redford, and they're both together in the navy. Not classic film. Runaway jury with John cusak. How in the John Grisham movie the based on the John Grisham books? So I think so. Yeah. Runaway jury is John Grisham film. But wait, which one is runaway jury runaway jury is the one where they load the jury and John Q second. I believe ritual Weiss or in on it to get him on the jury. That's a hell set test to to to make the right call and Gene Hackman plays like the agent the operative who know the behind the scenes tries to load the jury and get the defense. And then Dustin Hoffman is the the goodhearted prosecutor. So the secret of John Grisham novels. There are three good ones. There's the firm made into a okay movie with Tom Cruise. Let's say a book on it by Thors. Well is not my doors. There's a time to kill which is the one that got made the move Sam Jackson, which is AXA Matthew. Econo- hair? Sandra Bullock's horrific mood sexual movie. And then the last one is pelican brief pelican brief phenomenal. Julia Roberts, wonderful movie was Denzel Washington, Elliot. Robertson Sam shepherd. I believe plays professor that dies in the beginning spoilers. Yeah. Those are the only three held John Grisham book ranks leaving. I've read another John Grisham movie book that I didn't hate do know there's a lot that you don't hate. But those are the three good ones. Yeah. That's that's my that's send your comments tested dot com. Rainmakers about insurance. It's great. It's fabulous. It's the best book about insurance I've ever read weight. But this is the one that was a movie starring Matt Damon. I didn't see the movie Louisiana courtroom made all the radiators for that movie. Really? No. For jamie. I've got a piece of one of them over there under Neath. The I was wondering why you had a radiator in the shop because it's always cold as we made. Shot they shot in a landmark courtroom in New Orleans. And then they replicated that courtroom on Treasure Island for a bunch of extra scenes, and when they did the thirteen radiators that they that were in the original courtroom. It was it was cheaper to have us build them from scratch than it was to ship like eighteen hundred pounds of raid heat from wherever they were around the country. Well, I guess that's I mean, no better place to stop them. From the coldest part of the country right now to fake heated. So it just to be clear. It was cold. When I was there. It's really really cold. Now, it's frozen. Water boiling water up in the air. And it turns into into snow. Also, let's please stop throwing boiling water at each other. Apparently every year like dozens of are harmed and burnt by boiling water being thrown at each other trying to get YouTube videos known. Yeah, I was just reading about injuries happening as a result. Don't throw the boiling water each other don't if you spin if you try to do the new kind of spinning make sure you have a spotter. Maybe don't do it while you're driving. I'm just going to go out there and say, that's good advice. You're maybe if some places we called you don't have to go out of the house. Don't go tape up your windows and on the heater extra high. And look I got into a car and the person who's driving like, hey, can you rub? Your mitten on the inside of the window. So I can see out of the rear view mirror on the side. And I was like. Wait, this that I'm the frost. That's on the inside of the window that I'm rubbing off is is the the water from your breath. Right. When you wrote in the car last time. Yeah. Yup. This is people shouldn't live here. This is not a good place for seventy Susie say that to somebody in Chicago. And yeah, it's not that bad. It's you know, it's it's a little colder than normal right now. It's not that like you sneak up on them when they're talking to each other like, geez. It's so effing cold. I get why why does anybody live here? This is terrible. Anyway. Stay safe. Stay save one announcement to make if you've been watching the video you'll notice that I'm wearing Lee new tested T shirt, which is available now on cotton bureau. I'll put a link in the description is very, but it was designed by one of you out there. Listening to this podcast or watch reviewers Karen who goes by those nearly design sketches she just mazing sketch art and work with her to design this it's available for next two weeks on cotton bureau, or it can find the link below. And as always with cotton bureau, it's print to order. So they'll do all the orders the two weeks. They'll close them they'll print them. So it'll be like a month probably before your through at least more than two weeks before you start seeing t shirts. 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Bonus Bugle - Cricket beats Covid

The Bugle

22:33 min | 9 months ago

Bonus Bugle - Cricket beats Covid

"Bugle audio newspaper for visual. World, hello, and welcome to Bugle some episode, four, thousand, one, hundred and fifty, nine eight or aardvark advocacy animal, famously named after a court case brought back in more Bible times when a Dutch species technician called Peter Van. Launched a court case against Noah, excluding his new mammal than in titled The about from the list of animals invited to take up residence on his famous arc, de snout about being excluded, because it was a hybrid bright as a prototype carpet cleanup by van, and therefore not categorized as one of God's creatures, Van won the court case, the snout about survived and the judges niche instead was cast overboard. What you ask well exactly the snout about then became known after the court case on the arc now having defended the claim as business rather than individual for tax purposes, Fan art himself sadly drowned Indians doing flood before perfecting his new pigeonholes at the ultimate raising machine. Digress, if indeed, you candidate dog rest without having even begun journey. I am at ease. Altman and there is no regular bugle this week. Because I am in a bio, secure hotel in Hampshire, my own private international cricket match, but basically do tuned into BBC radio coverage on the radio or in date online around the world. If you want to him, actually saying some facts albeit fats about sports, which is essentially of course a fiction, but that is as far as unprepared to compromise in my personal battle against reality. Instead we have this week. A bumper crop of bonus bugle material from recent weeks starting with from last week. New Zealand News. New, Zealand Property Market News now and a replica world West town is for sale in new, Zealand, it's meticulous reproduction of an eighteen sixties Wyoming frontier town apparently, but was built in two thousand six and I guess the challenge challenges. The question you got all. If you're thinking about buying his property is exactly. How much do you want to escape from reality? This is I pretend town from one hundred and sixty years ago in New Zealand which is to all practical purposes of pretend country. That really you don't get much further away from reality. that. James is there much interest in this in this property. Proved quite controversial, because there's actually legislation in place about being able to buy property. If you're. Overseas I view and overseas investor. However, that doesn't cover fake cowboy town. What are they not think that? We feel we should actually uses as an opportunity in New Zealand. We need all the money we can get, so we can just get someone rich enough to buy this thing and move in and hook them up with takeaway. That's a film franchise. Scott. How many properties is it got twelve fourteen, so you can have. You can get syphilis and in eighteen peaches just like in deadwood. Right in the middle of nowhere, that's the weird thing because we also have towns in New Zealand, which are right in the middle of nowhere. I don't think new. Zealand is actually knew there was a fake cowboy town before the story broke I think they would just driving past going. I wonder which having state there before actually do good scorns. It probably just looks hipster because that's everything everything hipster is just kind of like Retro Nostalgia. So it just people driving Palestine that hipster place that. That's probably. Brewery? How much is it for sale for? Eleven eleven and a half million. Dollars and if that's the US, Zora or New Zealand. I think I think it's new. Zealand which is about two, hundred, sixty, six, thousand, five hundred us. But something you're. Why would you by someone this in new? Zealand not in in Wyoming. What are the attractions ball from the lack of corona virus lack of institutionalized national self-destruction. And Edition of rugby and cricket I guess the One real selling point is the almost total lack of indigenous mammals which must be a real attraction to people who absolutely hate the concept of indigenous mammals living in a place to you know my New Zealand. A couple of Basta to deal with I mean that's the Nice thing about the New Zealand desert. Nothing kills you get annoyed. You will be irritated. Now, obviously wanting no one in Britain or co videos album are believe it is now known could have foreseen before the government attempted to launch track and trace system months after other countries had already done, so was that one of the key aspects of such track and trace systems was that they actually need to work. The governments much-trumpeted tracking system destined not so long ago to be world-beating in their own words, has been taught into the wheel of history alongside things such as credibility. and dignity by the government announced that they will instead be writing and sending letters to all people diagnosed with covert, asking them to then themselves right a postcard to ever. They think they might have met in the past six months, and to break up and down all the streets within a two mile radius of the house, everyday, wearing a special cape, ringing a bell imprint, claiming themselves unclean, so they all very much still on top of this stolen top of it. Well there never really hidden desire for us to be dead. So. It seems consistent yes. That's what you're looking for, isn't it? What's happened is the UK. Government has decided that it's not going to use its own. APPLEBEE's instead going to use the face. The Apple Google Model covid trackers which I think is nice. It's nice to see the government coming to terms with reality on any vector at all on the other hand, handing even more power into the hands of Fo-, independent, minimally regulated ultra-wealthy non-government monopolies on the infrastructure of information, seems a little bit like handing your tiny little exotic alien into the slimy little pause of Jabber, the heart and making him pinky swear not to drop her into the nearest monster hall when his royds Flare Up. Like I said earlier. Most governments, not digital natives. Do you trust them to build an APP competently? Just nine keeps crashing constantly. We can even get into it. Very much government is trying to take Britain back to a pre digital. Age I think I. Think the current target. Year is eighteen fifty four. Also since their is for everyone to get Kovic. Who needs an APP to track lap? Exactly. All you need is a British possible that that's that's what we that that will do. Maybe they'll put it in the water. Like Flora floor right. Get it. Yeah, it's I mean you might mark that now, but you know when everyone else is still got covert in one hundred years time. And Britain's ruling the world once again. It's basically smallpox. Going on learn those skills. Many people have criticized British governments, but to be feted them. They have done their best to help this nation. Get better at cryptic crosswords, or at least they have allowed us to hone our skills at trying to work out the hidden message in ostensibly unintelligible nonsense such as any piece of government guidance issued in the last few months. quick update on the latest government guidance on Covy to hear interesting. Apparently the Department of Education updated its guidance to schools ahead of reopening forty one times in a week. which suggests that they're not entirely on stop things. The latest government guidelines on when you're out to meet people to people from one household can meet one person from two of households or an average of hoffa person from four households for a period of time defined as expert over the square root of three. Why of his minutes where X is a coefficient of how fun actually are the other people in the proposed meeting on an inverse exponential sliding scale is distance. I needed travel. Is a numerical value relating to the extent of panic, befuddle meant in the Health Secretary Matt Hancock however no meeting can take place if any of the parties are currently subject to freshly tattoos, hangover symptoms of excessive April consumption, an era of the eight, one, thousand, nine, hundred seventy single avenue by black lace, and or sympathetic feelings towards global protest movements to participants must breathe in for three seconds each and a strict rotation with the buffer, one point five seconds between breaths out for five seconds, whilst facing diametrically away from the person Endo persons of triangulate to them in the. The Social Triangle, all participants and participation tresses. What are the need to bring gender into it must in Morse code rather than speak to minimize the transition of the virus, as well as the transmission of ideas and love cuddles are allowed, but only of scale model sculptures, the other meeting, ease or Holograms who've any gross stood sat or sloughs upon by the Meat Apas must be instantaneously great back to a safe length by licensed goat in full military level PB and rules can only underlined, be ignored if you are in a position of governmental responsibility, so we all clear now. Were allowed to do with. The the US issues of new guidance, which is basically. You'RE GONNA die. Just get on with. At least it's clear, though at least you know where you stand as the confusion we we have to deal with. Was it an Anagram. No one knows Australia news now. So just checking. That's America filed state UK, failed. State Australia touching go. Well the big thing in Australia seat was Morrison. TOLD MOVE! Off Someone's lawn. Did you see them stubbing on? He was doing some. Press Conference Senegal. Of! Me Just receded. We've all got problems. I'm all countries have problems at the moment. Well the big news in Australia and he is our economy's suffering its first ever recession in nearly three decades as the nation grapples with the impact of the coronavirus pandemic someone's bushfires, the country's economy shrank zero point three percent in the first three months of the year from the previous quarter unlike old shrinkage. That's very embarrassing. There was always said Andy it's not the size of the economy that matters. It's how you use it. said that about my tiny tiny penis. Now, I'm not too worried because we have a wonderful conservative government here who is dedicated to getting out of the cupboard crisis with a business led economic recovery, which is one of those phrases that just you feel good like flexible work, hours or open mic night. I suppose it'll be refreshing of a business lead recovery after having so many business lead recessions so i. Look forward to seeing straddling tourism ads with Australia brought to you by Rio Tinto and Richard Branson Tony every single public library in this country into a private prison for the unemployed. We're planning on using fossil fuel industry to help get our economy back on track, which I think is genius. What better way to recover from a? Illness than by pumping is much poisonous gas into the air as possible. You China if he's gotTa die to by cuffing, it's going to because of our own bloody homegrown dickey inscribed. Thank you very much. You might be worried. Andy, because the Bank of England has one Britain could be headed for its biggest economic slump in more than three hundred years. It expects GDP to full by fourteen percent of a twenty twenty, which would be the worst recession since the great frost in seventy-nine nine a brutal time when it was so cold, many Brits struggled to continue to do slavery. Of course. Britain's second worst economic slump came in two thousand and one when he's Ulsan. Solo comedy debut at the Edinburgh. Festival fringe economists have studied the financials of the show season at the fringe and modeled Heseltine's ticket. Sales at budgetary pressures managed to slide the Thai country into civil tiny's recession and inflation and deflation. Country managed to bounce back, but SALTZMAN would go on to suffer through two decades of wage stagnation was forced to impose brutal austerity of both himself and his children now. Obviously I'm worried I'm only thirty is all so this is the first ever recession that I've lived through. You guys have been through sessions in your own failed states in the UK any any tips to me at all. How do you get recession Andy? What do I do just pick you up on. That lost bit some. SORT. Avoid facts on the show as much as possible, so can you just? Bring it on that show again, sorry. That was. To be honest way too close to the Theresa. So! Well the great thing you say is the worst ever recession, but you know worst at meets a big biggest ever big biggest biggest good, isn't it? That's what we that's what we learned. The thing is the great thing with having a massive recession. We saw this after the the two thousand eight financial crisis. Is that you can? Manipulate growth figures use a will fastest growing economy in Europe. That's because you. The economy into fastest growing economy. Fastest growing fastest growing the. Kids. On the subject of Australia, we have a wonderful bugle intern Ross who has conducted a musical masterpiece about Australia for all future generations to enjoy starting with you listening now. Who are more of a current generation, admittedly, but of course you used to be a future generation. Never Forget where you've come from. Unleash Ross Australia. Straight you. We heard a loud arguments from Britain Andy. Captain Cook. Captain Cook Strait. Captain Cook Australia. Australia Captain Cook. Captain Cook Australia Captain Cook. What auntie face who fully sucks like an absolute doug? Straight Captain Cook. Captain Cook. Who spent a week or so in Australia than off, deliver somewhere else Australia. We all hate. Straight. In Cook. Strait. Catches a cook. We'll. We'll. We'll. Cooks. Finally this week all time, remember the prospect of an American president. Being reelected wasn't enough to make you run for the book of revelations to rival through the pages muttering. Sake not now then when well to help jog. Your memory is the twenty twelve. Top story this week US presidential election, two thousand twelve votes all saw. And the I think that the US presidential election season exactly the perfect way for you to transition. Into the Olympics because they actually have a lot in common, those two events think about it. The whole thing happens every four years. It's to people racing each other. After going around around in circles, one will eventually be declared the winner. It's incredibly expensive to put on and there's just as much corporate involvement that slowly soils the whole event. He's looking Nicotine Patch for a debilitating schools addiction. And there was a big development this week Mitt Romney finally picked his running mate, and he went with Wisconsin Congressman Paul Ryan a move which seemed to energize the base of the Republican Party who loved be energized by conservative picks around this time of year. Some people might say why the HOOPLA. It's only the vice president. was everyone getting excited over largely ceremonial role? Well, because that is simply no longer the case. You are thinking with a pre year two thousand. Because it was around that time. That Dick Cheney managed to successfully changes job description into something significantly more powerful than the GOP signed up for with Chinese, Republicans seem to unlock their ideal formula for presidential ticket, sinister puppet master, pulling the strings of a happy go lucky would and boy. The for the Republicans of any search for presidential candidate is now to find a nominee who's essentially an empty, amiable husk just? Enough to disguise the poisonous substance of their running. Think, think about think about the record bush-cheney. Cheney, McCain Palin and now Royan because Paul Ryan might look like an average mid western, good looking man who was walking down the street. A Brooks brothers store exploded all over, but. But he wants to end Medicare has spent the last few years driving John Boehner the speaker of the House here into almost unprecedented levels of obstructionism. Now you might think. Why don't Republicans just no one night? The person they actually want in the first place. Why didn't they just know night? Pull Ryan if I love him so much because they know that you cannot shoot pule heroin. Can Kill you. You have to cut it with baking soda and that is what they've done here. Well, yes, he seems like my Republicans to love the concept of women, having all the possible babies, or they may or may not once and of poor people, retaining the given rights to die untreated in the maximum amount of pain so. Appealing clearly to the Republican Republican heartlands. That's right I need, but what you're selling is not something that you can appeal to people with on the top of your ticket, so that's why the system they found work. You give a dog a pill for worms. It's never going to eat that pill on its own. The pill is clearly disgusting, so you hide that Pale in a bowl of cottage cheese, and if the Republicans have their white Andy Come November America is going to have cottage cheese all over his face, and not realize what is just. This the concept is nothing you look at the ancient Greeks. They invented democracy, and when they sacked the city of Troy, they didn't show up with a bunch of crazy Greeks. They put a bunch of crazy Greeks inside an empty wooden hall. I'm saying is Romney. Is that empty? Wooden horse and Paul Ryan is a bunch of crazy Greeks. Remember that horse being quite as much of a Dick. Move space the floor and not metaphor. Andy, A. That's a fair point. The TROJANS would've said. Let's get rid of this. This. is also. A was ludicrous way so stupid classical music. This horse does not pay enough taxes. That's all for this week. So bugle. You have heard from TIFF Stevenson James Nikki say Helen's Latsman Alice Fraser Ross. The Inter Niche Kumar NATO Green Ari Kondabolu Tom. Ballard and clarity Vada time for me to return once again to commune with the confidently twisted truths of Cricket Statistics and to recommend you listen to produce a crisis, a new series of his travel podcast available at all good podcast chops about which he will now tell you everything Chris wake up. This is your moment until next week. buglers Goodbye Fag Sandy at Hallo buglers, so as some of you might know. I make a program with One of the true greats of podcasting mangled Richie Firth, who believes he can get from eight to be better than anybody else. Now might have noticed that traveling around has become increasingly difficult over the last three four months. Something's going on. Not Quite sure. should probably find out a little bit more about that, so we have decided to. Basically! Reinvent our show, which is now called fantasy travel hacker, where basically rich and I get suggestions for members of the global public about ways in which we must make their journeys better, it could be a better way to get to the shops. It could be a better way to go over a beautiful. It could be a better way to traverse between two countries without getting any kind of visa, so please do listen. It's Richie Firth travel hacker in all good stores, and I'm going to play you a completely out of context clip, which may or may not work in this environment. Could you know I love you all? Except you well to hacks down in the first episode of series, two of Richie Firth travel hacker to hawks down to hawks done. It's going well time for a new feature to season two OH. Yes, it's a celebrity hack celebrity hack celebrity do celebrity hack celebrity hack do do celebrity celebrity celebrity hack. Could you add some reverb and jazzy bitch to that. 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Little Atoms 654 - Jo Marchant's The Human Cosmos

Little Atoms

27:16 min | 6 months ago

Little Atoms 654 - Jo Marchant's The Human Cosmos

"This is little atoms radio show about ideas and coach with me Naoto Denny. Sweet. The secret. History of stones we've J. Margin. New Book the Human Cosmos. Jay Martin is an award-winning science journalist. She has a PhD in genetics and medical microbiology from Zimbabwe Ramiz Hospital Medical College and the MSA in science communication from Imperial College She's worked as an editor at new scientists nature and her articles painted in the Guardian wired, Observer York Times, and the Washington Post and she's the author of decoding the heavens shortlisted for the Road Society Prize for Science Books and kill which was shortlisted for the Road Society Prize for Science. Books, and long listed for the Wellcome Book Prize and Joe's latest book which took today the Human Cosmos, a secret history of the stars Jerry Welcome back to little item. Hi, thanks for having me. Tell us festival what the idea is behind the human cosmos. It's really a story of the universe of the cosmos if like at not the normal story that astronomers might tell starting with the big bang and going through the evolution of galaxies in our solar system. It's more today with the Cosmos we see it. So starting with the very first people he looked at the sky and how they made sense of the stars and following that through history if humanity. So interested in what the influence of the sky has been. So different due to the cosmos, how that state different. Aspects of human society and civilization. But also now we've never been more cutoff more isolated from the sky light pollution. We can't see the stars in the way that we used to be able to do with London technologies that we have watches. In SATNAV air conditioning, electric lights we live in a way that's very much separated from the cycles of the solar system and the cosmos. So I was interested in whether that Mattis you know we losing anything. So what if stars can given us through history and what does it mean if we're no longer really paying attention to them? You do so to pose the question, the beginning of the book now science towards a better way to sort of supplanted a lot if the idea is that you covered this book what is the point of looking at the way that you know the ancient used to look at some of these days I'd say, why do you think what do you think is the point, but also I guess as well as the ideas of low light pollution. Hide it as from from the sort of greater cause balls. We have this amazing images of the boss. If you're not into space, we've explored it but why do you think we've lost touch with some of those ideas as well? Yeah. Nine the massive findings of my background in science I've written about science I, I love science, and we do have this incredible scientific understanding of the universe. Now, we understand more about the physical cosmos than we ever. Did. Before we got this sort of unprecedented view into. Kohl's neutron stars and galaxies and going back to the Big Bang and I. that's fantastic. But I was interested in what has that supplanted away. So we have this kind of mathematical physical understanding. I was very struck by the idea that the study if the cosmos most used to be about, you know the meaning of lie if you liked the meaning of existence, the nature of reality, what are we? Doing in this universe, and now we think cosmetology is a as mathematical astronomy. Basically, it's a much much narrower field. So what happened to all of those questions that people had and I think with the rise of science it's been so persuasive and so powerful. You know it can do so much. You know this idea of just taking what's measurable looking for an objective third person understanding of physical matter in reality and it's been brilliant helping us to understand. The manipulate physical matter that we've kind of almost downgraded everything else So the idea of having a first PASSAN's subjective experience of the Kospi light is looking to the stars and what how does that? Make us feel what does that tell us about life about? Well, that's what's been lost and that was what I was interested in investigating if you like an and trying to work out what role does that play through the history of humanity and we'll. Do we need that now is that important you? I look at the discovery in the Modern Day relative one day of the the Paleolithic cave paintings. LASCO in France and other places. Subsequently I've been to the reconstruction of the at the cave. Altamira in in the north of Spain and. As he took in the book, one of the things you meeting notice is that these are all depictions of animals psychopath the handprint. You really see depictions of people in these cave paintings. Let's talk about props Y. Yeah I mean it's very difficult when you're talking about paintings from the Paleolithic. Obviously, there was no, there were no written records so we. Have to be really. Catholic. Yeah. Are So many different theories about what these paintings main the starting point that I was I read in an astronomy textbook that there is this idea that does this painting of a bullish huge painting of a bull in Moscow cave with cluster of dots above its shoulder and the theory that this might represent the constellation. which has a I the star Aldebaran and it has the plead cluster of stars just above its shoulder and I was just really intrigued by this and I wanted to know is this true? You know? Could they really a painting stall maps back in the Paleolithic. So I wanted to try to investigate that and so we can't. Say Anything definite about whether it definitely was but it certainly a very close match with the Constellation of Torres and there's even some work looking at how this guy would have looked back. Then showing that actually stars would have been even close match back at the time that these paintings were made and also there's other work that people can do to try and get. US A little bit closer to how the people of the Paleolithic might have been thinking about their world. So the kind of traditional idea about the maze that they are painting the animals that are important to them the kind of cycles would have seen on earth the different animals that matter to them in their lives but there's also an idea that they were painting. A sort of more holistic view of that Cosmos in general. So one theory that was presented is that the different animals are painted at different times of year. So when you have different animals painted together, you always have. The horses painted I and the Oryx and then the stakes on top that painted the each species showing at its mating season. So this idea that you've got this sort of cycle of the seasons and the meeting of the animals and that's will being shown together and it's very much the paintings of people who sort of saw themselves as as part of nature if he like they didn't really make separation between themselves and the animals that they saw around them but there's lots of sort of circumstantial evidence if he like suggesting, they were very interested in the sky is well, you know the stars, the different constellations that would have been rising and setting was changing. With the seasons there antropologist looking at more recent hunter gatherer peoples who had live similar in complexity to how we think the people have lived in the Paleolithic and they invariably have very sophisticated cosmology is they're very interested in the different constellations that are rising and setting in the sky very interested in the solstices, and this is all bound up in different mythologies. So the changes they saw in the sky will wraps up in that changes that they saw on the earth they wouldn't seeing a big separation between the two does one more line of work could get myths and tracing different versions of of myths that are found all around the planet. There's one called the cosmic. Where an animal is hunted and ends up going up into the sky and be transformed into consideration, and you can find different versions of this myth among traditional people all around the world and those are really interesting study that was done to try and make a family tree of these myths using similar techniques to how DNA sequences are studied and concluding the original version of that myth actually arose in Eurasia in Paleolithic Times. So. That is against supporting the idea that people at that time were interested in the sky and that elements of those midst can actually survive from then and still be told now. So if you put all of those things together, it does build a picture of people who not only didn't separate themselves from nature but really didn't separate the earth from the sky. All of these changes were entwined an happening together as you. Look the beginnings of the Neolithic. So the time when. Human beings with fast starting to adopt some form of agriculture you talk about his side in modern. Day. Turkey Code Gubbay Latapie which is right in the center of this area where agriculture stars, and again for the first couple of chapters that we're talking about we're going to change that in. The first couple of chapters we really are talking about deduction speculation as to because there's no sort of light direct written evidence as to what the size we useful but this sigh and another site. Nearby in Turkey that sort of like. But like cave like structures, you talk about again, what do we think these might have been four get backup tapa is really interesting because it some twelve thousand years old it appears. So it's way before stonehenge it's just before the origins of farming which happened in exactly this region and you've got these great sort of circles with stone benches around the edge of these circles adult dow down into the ground, and then in the center of the circles around the edges, she there these great pinhas, these kind of flat stone pillars. Latisha. Flat t shaped. Up to the five point, five meters high and decorated with loincloths in a necklaces There are lots of carvings of animals around the place as well, and so one thing is interesting about this is that it was always assumed that the Neolithic Revolution. When humans I started to foam was the kind of key transition that happened and that perhaps in response. To climate change and the pressure on resources people needed to stop farming to produce enough food, and it was that enabled larger settlements, more sophisticated societies, and then people could stop building these megalithic monuments, stone circles, that sort of thing. But what's interesting about the Beckley tap is that this came first, you've got these huge stone monuments that would have required really. Complex Society and a lot of people working together to make them but it was actually just before people started farming. So the argument is being made by the archaeologists working on it and another scholars as well that there was some kind of change in mindsets, the coolest people to make these sites and that change in mindset which had to do with people elevating themselves above nature was what then enabled people to contemplate farming if it's your to make and so then you. Can Ask for what were these sites all about an again it's really difficult to say, but you've got these circular enclosures that were duck down into the ground. You call these t shaped that seemed to be some kind of anthropomorphic being the archaeologist thing that some kind of transcendent being they don't seem thin naturalistic that it seemed to be sort of mortal humans and you would have climbed into the circular enclosures through toll toll stones that often had like dead animals carved. Around the edge. So they think that they actually represented of portals to the underworld observed the realm of the dead if their skulls everywhere as well markings on the skulls where it seems that the skulls supposed to be up for display. So what it seems to be as as a kind of change in mindset where in Lasco you, you've only got animals being painted. Now it's very much sort of these humans possibly ancestors that are kind of center stage, the animals have. been demoted the they're much carved much smaller and where the caves, there's a theory that these were seen as kind of portals to the underworld. Now, people are building their own portals to the underworld this shaping the environment, the shaping their sort of cosmos if you like to suit their own ideas and it was that kind of change in mindset then kind of allowed the transition to agriculture and farming, which is then obviously led to all sorts of technological developments that have. Allowed us to be where we are today and other is, of course, is A. Few thousand years later in construction you mentioned stonehenge in thinking now is the Stonehenge Bay of played a similar raw this sort of idea between start at a nearby side that would have been site. That represented the living in a site, the representative, the dead. Yeah it's interesting. So it took several thousand years then for the techniques of foaming to spread from from the Middle East to Europe, and then to to island in the fourth millennium BC, and then you've got these stone tombs like newgrange tomb, for example, and an archaeologist working completely separately have got very. Similar theories about what those tombs represented and being again, these sort of portal to the underworld of circular teams with these alcoves inside, and perhaps the I and a new grange of course is aligned to the winter solstice. The Sun shines straighten on the on the winter solstice and lights up the heart of the team but as the site became more complex these teams. Are Getting bigger and bigger and more going on around the outside of the Tomb you getting more complex kind of ceremonies perhaps I sort of large audiences and so the idea is that those tombs could only go so far because you couldn't fit people inside to see what was going on with the beam of sunlight coming in and so stone circles were perhaps a way. Of opening that up so you can have these sort of big mass audiences seeing these effects. Western hedge, for example, is aligned to the is the summer solstice sunrise and possibly more important with the winter solstice sunset, and so you've it's a place for the ancestors where the beam of sunlight is kind of a winston houses giving you this message about the cycle of life. You're listening to little autumn's I'm no Danny today I'm talking to Jerry Martin and we talk about her latest book, the Human Cosmos. Enjoy UNIX go on to talk about the discovery again, the latter day discovery of sort of Syria size of like Niniveh and Babylon and the discovery of an ancient venture which beads we know gassed speculate about what these people by thought, what that headsets rely. Noble. Head was a allowed dig cyber agent aliens vague. Now we know what they thought. Yes. Now we have writing. Rich they pick difference. So in the next Chapter I'm looking at their discovery in particular of the library, this sort of collection of of clay tablets, of King, Asha Obama Appel who was in the Syrian. King. But he was obsessed with collecting texts from all over his empire especially Babylonian tax. So this is an library was was discovered in the nineteenth century, and so this is kind of the best and earliest systematic insight we have into this love life and obsessions of ancient civilization. We've got all of these text hair turns out the what they were obsessed with was the sky these astrological omens so. The the priests were watching the sky every night looking at this wanderings at the planet and particularly clips if the moon and all of these different astronomical events had different meanings to things that will likely to happen if there was an eclipse of the moon that was very bad news for the king, for example. So we had to have his team of astronomers kind of watching for what was happening, and so that's interesting in itself that you can see still that the celestial was bound up with the terrestrial what happened in the sky which reflected on earth but also what's interesting about the Babylonians and? Than than through the centuries is that because they were so interested in what was happening in the sky they were very good at mathematics, and so they started to identify repeating cycles repeating passan's in the sky putting numbers to those developing arithmetic theories that they could then use to predict what's going to happen next they didn't have to watch an eclipse could. Work out the new on the next one was going to be, and we often think of the beginnings, Scientific Strana May as being with the ancient Greeks. But actually, it was the Babylonians who came up with the maths. Initially, the Greeks were much more about the geometric side of how the universe might be arranged. They thought it was all these celestial spheres. The planets kind of moving in these perfect circles, they went actually putting any specific numbers to that until they came into contact with the balloons and it was really those two traditions coming together. But formed the foundations of what we might think of today as strong to me and astrology for the better. The rebel aliens also came up with the idea of horoscopes but this was the time when we really started to look at the sky and describe it in terms of numbers of mathematics of understanding, predicting what was going to happen next I was GonNa say when you were just describing the Babylonia world, you mentioned both astrology and astronomy but of course, really at this time. For a while. This is the same thing as Leesburg Sabe idea. Yeah. Exactly. You can see the words that we don't really have a wet as far as the brings those two together but but yet for them that would have been no sense in separating the two and they really wasn't an for many centuries later until the scientific revolution I guess it's just a little bit later and to Rome and you stop thanks chapter off with this depiction of this. Battle CS Constantine basically come to power in Rome and after his conversion therefore, the widespread adoption of Christianity. So I want to talk about I guess I able what a changing mindset to acid of idea of the Cosmos The adoption of monotheism brings but then also, of course, we think this time of the adoption of widespread popularity. After many centuries of the than being persecuted by you know we think of them. By Pagan? Rome. But actually you know what we think of as pagan beliefs particularly believes that the son remain. Extremely important this time. Yes, and what's interesting about Constantine is Hayes clip credited with being the emperor who really cemented? Christianity he was the one that supported. It made it the official religion of the Roman Empire Without Him Christianity wouldn't be the the force that it is today it was quite a minor religion at the time. But what's interesting is when you look at his beliefs is that it was all mixed up with beliefs about the sun he was so identified himself with the son he also worship the sun and he helped to embed a lot of beliefs about the sun into Christianity. So he was the. One, that sort of decreed that Sunday would be the day of rest. For example, of course, you've also got Christmas happening on the Winter Solstice and you've got Easter as well, which is also defined around the Spring Equinox under the days are just starting to become longer than the nights when they just sort of yeah. Winning over the nights if you like then that's Easter went sort of crisis thought to have arisen. So you've got all of these kind of Pagan Sun worship elements within Christianity. So it wasn't quite the kind of abandoning the sun and Introducing WanNa theism it wasn't quite as clear cut as well that. Is really interesting about that shift. Is it for me? It really marked the moment when humanity change from worshiping the. Sky. Itself Worshiping. The. Sky Worshiping The Sun Worshiping the planets which was pretty much a universal amongst society up until that point and so monotheism with Judaism Christianity Islam is different because you've got this kind of abstract creates this separate created that sort of sits outside the universe if you like. So the cosmos is no longer kind of divine and alive in itself, but it's the product of a separate creator and theme that kind of came through the whole book as I was following these changing beliefs about the sky which really a. A separation if he liked where we're separating ourselves from the universe that we live in. So talked about in the Paleolithic as best, we can guest that people didn't really have a separation between themselves and the world between the world and the sky between man and nature, and then you've got that kind of separation from nature. This idea of humans being able to create this, serve their own portals to the cosmos. Then you've got the idea of using sort of mass to explain and predict what's happening in this guy rather than needing to observe directly, and now rather than worshiping the sky itself, we've got a separate creator and that's a kind of. Trajectory like that then continues through the book through the history of of beliefs about the sky. So conflicting a few of the of the later chapters together, you talk in numerous places about ideas of. Exploration and navigation and laterally sort of either right up to like space exploration. Basically I horizon divided the widen club way you talk about Cook's. Company cokes, villages to to later chapters talk about space exploration and indeed the ideas of whether it automobile the life out there in the universe and I sort of wanted to talk about how this widening of our horizons flew various different sort of levels of exploration has changed how we plays ourselves at the Cosmos yes. Oh Look in the book, the invention of clocks, for example, and kind of the the development of the idea of abstract time. You know initially people took bedtime from from the sky from the Sun and from the moon, and when once we have mechanical clocks that completely changed again, we've separated timeout if abstract time from the cosmos around us, and now we see. More accurate than the sun and ends it's similar with space as well that we've gone from using the sky for navigation to mathematics that if you like now, we've got this sort of abstract mathematical space and we've got technology that can tell us exactly where when we are. So again, a subjective experience of of where we are as is less important and so as we using more and more instruments and technology to kind of measure and explore the world around us again that first person subjective experience becomes less important and in one of the chapters I'm talking about Captain Cook and his first visit to Tahiti and how he meets the Polynesian sailors there, and it's kind of clash of cultures where. He's using his instruments to measure the transit Venus because astronomers will have a better idea about the size of the solar system so that they can then navigate better he's using his instruments and charts to navigate and the Polynesian sailors don't have any of that. It's all around their direct experience are looking at these install companies, for example, but also using wind direction. The King of the currents in the ocean is looking for a different wildlife. So and there's the navigators knowledgeable than being bound up with religious beliefs and stories as well. So it's this clash between maximizing asset of here subjective potential if you like or kind of outsourcing that to instruments and charts, and again that's carried on since. Astronomers, they don't actually look through telescopes any Molino week we study the light that comes from the sky, but it's all digitized. It's different frequencies of light striking electronic detectors and the data's being crushed by computers, and that's allowing us to see Fafa than our naked senses F- occurred. So it's it's giving us this unprecedented opportunity to explore further into the universe which I. Think is an amazing thing. We understand so much more than we ever could have done week instead of travel so much further, but it's a different kind of journey fee like it's not We've kind of sacrificed our own personal experience a few like it's not about what we see in feeling. Thank anymore it's about this mathematical understanding of the physically infested out there are. Jerry Martin with took it about her latest book, the Human Cosmos a secret history of the stars, which is out now in the UK from cannon gates. Joe Thank you so much taking the time to share with us. Great. Thank you very much. This episode of little atoms whose produced and presented by me. Neil Denny edited by Sky Redmond and was first broadcast. One I four point four, F N. Latham's is supported by eight to nine up and hosted by CAST. If you enjoyed the show, please do subscribe rates is on I tunes and even tell a friend. Thank soliciting burn. Off.

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Conversations: Featuring Professor Geoffrey Blainey, Australian Historian and Writer

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Conversations: Featuring Professor Geoffrey Blainey, Australian Historian and Writer

"You're listening to conversations with John Edison featuring Jeffrey. Different blinding. Thank you very much for being with us. This is a great honor for me I've been reading material choice, but also by compulsion since I was about twenty. which is now quite a long time ago. Your the National Trust Cools. You're leaving treasure. which I think is remarkable. I don't know what that feels like an NFL really not quite what it means. that. You. Give written. What some forty our books, the classic tyranny of distance. And more recent books assured history of a world, which is a masterpiece on recommend to people who want to get a feel for. How the world's worked a short history of the Twentieth Century how wolves begin a short history, of Christianity, and you'll most recent book the story of Your Fist forty years. Before I, forget. That's a remarkable record. Why do you feel that? He's important. Well as Steph. Is the reservoir of human experience and. The, great part of him experiences outside a lot of time and. Grandparents love, Thomond. History is about all over. We've got the experience that we can learn in their lifetime is. Is is relatively limited so that. His history is they like a huge library waiting to be tapped. We want to tap it. Of Not in my time in public life, many of the people I respected greatly including political leaders. What avid readers of history? And they seem to feel I. Think it was who said that all you need to know about states craft can be lent by studying history. He said that he is he did bring you wisdom of the past. To the title is of course the you to interpret history. They're always rival interpretations of. In the past and You have to choose which interpretation. Deal with human nature L. BE WILL BE A. While back at the time, when at university, reading books like tyranny of distance, one of the things I had to ride his was the topic was set for us. Is there such a thing as truly empirical history? And you that very subject. It seems that an awful lot of history that's taught now is revisionist history. It's designed to try and establish if you like world view rather than to allow people to be properly informed about what's happened. On quite concerned about that. I think that. Many people who came into history In the nineteen sixties and nineteen seventies. Came in not because it was a way of investigating the web learning about the past and maybe glimpsing vision, they came because. They had a message which. They could use history prone. To impact. said there's much less discussion about. Important historical matters today then I think they was. This I am not in fifty when I began to write history. It's a sad thing to say A. Debate is all import, but a lot of the debate. Ner doesn't take place. It seems to me that it's a very patronising and and. Unfair thing to do to our children effectively to make them victims of Erin. Cultural 's so we adults. Owned volved. Let's face it in the West in an enormous brawl I've who we really are. And children as a result are at the whim of whoever has the sort of the greatest club in the classroom today, so to speak in terms of who sets the curriculum and one. Not necessarily being taught accurate history, which means that. They don't have that opportunity to bring the wisdom of the ages to the table. Well. They don't even have the opportunity to. Evaluate their own country during civilization. It seems to me that the prison day. Stranger for all his faults is one of the great success stories of modern history. That's why says huge numbers of people. Want to come here. With one of the oldest continuous democracies in the world, you know we had democracy in the tons of. Atoms in the Asian Greeks wasn't real democracy. The moon kind of democracy way one of the experience of and. That's one of the great achievements because we don't realize. Most of the countries in the world and old democracies may never become that, so that's something we should rejoice in, and we should also rejoiced that this has been an extremely innovative country so many inventions importance to the world. Of come from Australia, and the people don't realize that. This country in seventy eight to. Could feed in by seasons. The people who lived here, but couldn't meet anybody else will in some years I would think. A strategy probably feeds not any of the twenty five million people here, but maybe eighty one hundred million people in other parts of the world if you allow two thousand calories today. We. We look at the faults of this country, but. We, don't we don't tell children that this country also has great virtues with saving. And they have to maintain. Yeah what you're touching a strong nerve there because farmer and they tell me one Australian Pharma feed six hundred people. And, indeed you're ride. We feed three or four times earned population when we can get free of drought. We close many more. Major producer of the fibers. And what minerals and it's? But that technology. Is quite extraordinary and their minimum, but let's let's go back to this issue of objectivity. Now you had a really interesting. Early life we're all the product of early life that you're son of the MANSIO father was a methodist minister you moved around must have been at one level challenging. How do you make friends when you move every four years? The other liberal very very interesting because you soar in Australia that's gone. And, how did that shut gear? Sanity shelter. We headers. There were five children in our family. zanny shoulder renews other. We didn't think we're anyway. This advantage that I've for years. We had to move on to another town. Admit that when you started a new skill, you well behind because the school had different standards than emphasize different things but I learned so much about shame in. The edge of three. We went to South Gibson the leading daring town and. That's where I grew up. My ambition was to be a Pharma meal. Liking ambition wasn't tool Philby Lakewood and cope as family. Nowadays, a was go to be checkable trade submit an unarmed, not mechanically skilled below one to be found medicinally. And then we moved to Geelong up in those small provincial city of manufacturing city, and that was a very different world, and then we moved to Ballard resources much. Stranger than was and the different kinds of venues. Andrew toots A little weaknesses that all Thomas Eighty, but it had read shrinks, and an I. Miss obama-era. Let's come back in and tries through where you went from there, but one of the things that. Strikes me. Is that one of the books you right? which I found really fascinating, not so much, because it's so much deep and meaningful about the great thoughts in philosophies, and how that shakes us, but just to show how we want to leave the forgotten strider and I think that was called. black kettles and fluid lake. Let's call it the rod todd over the school. Blake Catlin full moon right. And I found that just incredibly interesting on all the interesting things on land you the history of matches and how difficult. Pop Boil Billy. Before somebody came along with matches and I think the fifties or whatever. But, then he was the one that really stunned me. Australia was a major importer of ice. Not, the drug. The frozen water. We imported ice. Hemisphere that's right In Boston. which was in one of the world's great poets they've upon. Produced is in large quantities and they ice was Katamon carry down to the port and put into sailing ships. Wouldn't sally ships with no cargo other than is? And those relationships would set out for Melbourne Melbourne. Grade is imported pasture the equator where the ship was often become it take four five months to reach Melbourne. Then they us was taken by then love the melted mistaken. The shore put into the first carbon, Co coaches and up to Belen Bending owned in places sin to the. HOTELS IN MELBOURNE AND People paid a lot of money for the US. In Bank, they prefer to the long showing invented. Mechanical Laws Joel was supposed place in the world. To invent mechanical, but they people interstate is said Gosh wasn cold enough. The Post on was is. That you guys, so, that's impact you came you know. Of course you much earlier about the tyranny of distance, many of those inventions refrigeration we export airplanes. But but before we go there. To get back to something earlier in this whole question of objectivity, one of I think. The truly remarkable things that you've been prepared to do. which we all need to learn from was that you said once that perhaps would overdone the three cheese version of our history way. We collect everything. We talked about colonial dies without regard for the downside. It was all about how clever would and then we had the sort of reaction. that wanted to describe us as horrendous sort of sons and daughters of the Presi colonialists from the other side of the world that became I. Think you turn the expression, the Black Armband view of history and you say that we need to meet somewhere sensibly in the middle. We needed a correction a- The correction. It turns out to be more prejudiced more dangerous. Then then the original that we were trying to break for your, yes, said that. In City University I think in. Nineteen ninety-two, I was brought up in the three J's view straight history that. It was one of the bright success stories of the world, and there's very little you could you criticize? But the dam was born that theory was born in many ways of the country being war. You have to maintain the morale of the country have to say this is a great country with Indian. Way We had this will war not in for the night and then twenty S. it strongly influenced by the war than we had the second. Will. Will you just have to maintain? Morale and people are proudly country if they up if they have to risk their lives defending it, and then came the period perception the nineteen. Seventies onwards when people say. The filings in the study. Much more conspicuous must were important in the success nece. It looked the by. We've traded I- Brittany's will. Of course, it was much at fault in. In Trading Aborigines A. Bill at the same time, there was a tendency to glorify original society. Decide that they lived in peace with one of the course they have overwhelmingly against said they're human beings, and they caught him paper like disable that. They had. Wonderful sense of kinship well, that's true, but in A. A man could have the ten or twenty wives in bridge society that snorkeling kinship on on the nation. So there's Great Buddhism aboriginals. moved to the situation where we said. L. Society is infinitely inferior to never show society I. Don't accept that likewise. People say look what we've done to. The environment will true. Often filed in being custodians of the environment, but that's true of every. Every country in the world over history is not been a faithful custodian. The environment the environment has to be changed in order to support a larger and larger population so as we moved to a gloomy view. The history from preps abuse. It was too optimistic and gloomy view is now extremely powerful, and the dominates. The primary skills is the great educated no matter what people say universities and I'll be right educators in the state of the primary schools. Homes of the blackout. Very history, it's a very interesting inside small view. and. It's something. I really think of that. I'm those formative years just we will say. Of course that the Vario us before you even started a preschool, incredibly important than yet often behind as long. But I still into that a bit more. Preschool I didn't nine. People? Shows I didn't go. Out in the middle of nowhere. Well A PRESCHOOL! But the drill into this one of the problems we have is Jonathan hot puts it. We not teach our children. That life is a battle between good people and bad people. Well. We know that's nonsense. Rural a mixture. This lack of ability to haul things in suspension. We see it with a divide I've Australia die in a way. I can understand that aboriginal table have Dick Grievances I can understand that, but to move the date. My personal that'd be madness. One used date to have a much more honest. Discussion about what happened that lose the dike. You might lose. The discussion would be my, but the comeback to something I wanna say is taking a very long well to accept Estrella Day, if even even mainstream. Society as bins slightly except in Batori. We didn't even call them this day today. We call it I Anna I when I was a child and many parts of Australia themsel- celery trailer day now a report of a straighter in some way or other celebrates straightened I am immensely. Great achievement seems to me. When some successes has been achieved that you decide to just to throw around May I think the big mistake is a deb origines. Don't use a stray today to celebrate their own achievements me. They say Captain Cook. We've got tons of Captain Cook. They say will. Aaron says discovered straight will in the sense. That's true what? They build whether it will be build a monument to. The hilly originally spores discovers. Attitude I think has become very negative and. If they wanted to Chris to size strata. They wind up doing something positive themselves. I agree, and if they're issues I wonder spl. explored. Let's do it in a sensible way and what strikes me? He says that. In the area that I used to represent. The. There's an area called. Mile. Creek were a terrible massacre happened in the. Electric. And so I became very interested in the story, and it's been well researched now, and it was a horrendous thing. A bunch of I think it's ten or eleven stockman. When most of the men were Y, drove the women and children, and the few remaining men that were in the camp at mall, Creek over cliff and it was terrible. Now. Dispute a little of that story is. Now, but but he's my point. We never tell the story without recognizing the nobility of the white people who were aggrieved and insisted that is men. Be Taken to trial. Including the manager of the station was one of Henry dangles a famous land under update. He's manager became aware of what happened. And courageous was very courageously because he's probably designed. Life is in danger. He insisted that those men be brought to trial now. They were acquitted. First Time Round and. People from the jury would decide things I never here so you white man hanged for killing a black man. But there was a man called plunge was I can't remember his title, but effectively the chief justice of these was at the time. He was a devout Catholic as it happened. Burning with indignation that this terrible miscarriage of justice managed to force a second draw and people were So the two sides of the story and there were people who were noble enough. To insist on justice. And, that's never told. or to really tall histories, never straightforward is not a simple question of one grouping of perfect and another group of people who'll bad. That's the deny that truce of human nature. Is Inevitable that the average delays will. Be Hostile to pacify in history, and it will go on for a long time and. The Awad routed things they're entitled to. Publicize, but at the same time In the period where the average were believed to be maltreated, there is a straight in was giving them the right pockets, considerable sums of money they were. No welfare states to set up. Missions will rambler strata now the drought a favor, but The missions provided a welfare system forever. Region is which didn't exist. In the state of mainstream Australians, there was new. Wealthiest is straighter in eighteen sixty or Eighteen eighty in a bad tom. You instant strictly speaking depression. You will better off being original than be. One deciding what did you do if you were destroyed in New, York employed. Social Services. So that it was much more complex. than. We like to think but. At the same time. A respect, the original spokespeople laser entitled to draw attention to these grievances, but they should also jor attention to other things well. I represented a lot of ever since I had more aboriginals put in a in Saint East and almost any other electric Australia. And there was a very wide range of views you know it was often very interesting to talk to original people particularly older ones I remember an old lady Ouaga. Telling me how deeply she regretted. The loss of their mission is because he said she and her friends had been given surprisingly good education. They've been taught a lot about nutrition hygiene. And what have you and she was deeply appreciative of? Regret. That her grandchildren particularly. Had not, had the same attending she'd head now. You don't hear that perspective and I think the point you were just making. Is it's it's always much more complicated and we often ascribe ill intent to people who have really been very well intentioned in days. Interesting. Now you can turn into A. Computer and you can find out all kinds of things and you can look up postcode. And find out what the people in that post code like and how they differ from other places and. The last time I looked it up about three years ago. The most Christian towns in the state that. We're have regional towns, yes? The the most Places like no throw him. Suburbs and city now. That's a sign that. That! Part of European civilization and Christianity that came makes the origines. Wasn't despised. In the way we imagined it was. Now average and these. Clinton that part of L. Civilization and stand up for more. Than we do, we take the despise. Well as forward favor in dramatic fashion Christianity, most one of the most astonishing. Things in my lifetime I, couldn't. predicted. It would happen, but it's happened. You've written about it extensively now. Some might say whether you're the son of a man. Have you been objective? Must say from my point of view. I can't understand why it's so a brushed out. I mean I just gave an example really. Of Mile Creek now there was a very novel person of profound Christian face. WHO said there's a terrible injustice here? The idea that. A man is less oh, because of the color of skin is anathema. and he forced through justice that was the influence of Christianity. Say the same about this life right every time. I mentioned that on one of these conversations the become insane all the bobble condone slavery in reality. Christian churches have always opposed they just to have often haven't had the power. To influence the governments of the die to be fit to the Spanish in the Portuguese church, they were adamant that the the the explorers who went to South America should not engage in slavery, but they didn't have the influence to carry it. And then, of course about the time, Australia was settled. There was this massive debate. There was very important I think a be interested in your reaction to this about the ending of slavery, and that was laid by Christians, slavery was abolished, was the key principle that the color of your skin doesn't determine whether you're a full member of the human family on on. So. We were settled at a time. When at least. Lodging influential slabs of society rejected the idea that you should kick people as goods and chattels. You had to respect all all sorts of being menzies put it of equal value in the eyes of Heaven. and. It's washed out of the system. Will My. Background I was brought up as a methodist and we went to never went to evening church, which is. Not His often the big. David will miss went to morning church. With. Children the clergyman and. We went to Sunday school all those kinds of activities and You know I look back in that Tom and value. The People what they did. you know the? The sense of the. Standards. Might, be too high, but they tried to. Achieve those standards and the respect. My parents largely lived in the amount of help they have to. Get people wherever they live in in the nineteen seventies and ninety nineties. I largely stopped. GOING TO CHURCH I don't know why, but I did and then the about nineteen ninety started to go again and I started. When people were oven the taking Christianity. The attacks to an extreme and I found myself. The defending Christianity. This. was appointed to the. Council the Australian War Memorial as soon after missed out and. Your party came to power not in ninety six and. I thought when the unknown soldier was taken from his grave in France and brought peg. And brought to Canberra and placed. There, in that specialty muscled. That's a very strange thing to do May the first. Of the soldiers in the wool from Australia with Christians. We from the census that probably ninety eight percent of the Christian on preps. One percent were Jewish. And the. His they taking a soldier from? Saint apart ground in France it buried with a religious ceremony and putting him in war memorial in Canberra with our religious. Ceremony and were they religious inscription. And after well in the Council of the woman wall, a first class institutional is really. Place to be on the board and the mid. Now the members icee like understand. What you've done taken somebody from. Ella grail newport him into secular grand. You wouldn't drove doing that. To an aboriginal average, would flood Rodley persist and and. In that way, they've told us a listen and I said I think he should be given an inscription. The same inscription that was on his grave in France. Mealy was very strong debate and Older, it's the APP services even those is used to attend meetings of the and said were in favor of that. And so was put on. His tomb in Kendra now I think it. Is it known unto God? Would come a Jewish soldiers. Islamic soldiers of there is a spencer. Review in this Jada. NAMI RISHON SOLDIERS AND I became became a defendant in Christianity because I could see no other people who are willing to stand up and defended and. That's the sign of. Hell In. A circle and. Blah believed that you know, the the the Christian component is civilization was very important and I. Wish, we should recognize it and if people. Want to discover pets that say right in the free world, but the idea that. You should constantly attack. It's and say the gave nothing. To ask US auditor, a nation seems to me to be. Tampering with history that doesn't. Well I. Think he said some of that, plainly for for all of its faults. It's given us found more good than it has. visited bands. I happen to share that view and to lead out of that One of the things that I beat on in these conversations is. Given that we've destroyed our story, we've really discredited. Children go through education system way. Let's face it at Christian. Origins along with that broad cultural history is disparaged or not taught. It's to be rejected with a find a better way, but one. Is that better way? What story? What unifying narrative are we giving to our children and our grandchildren? Well. There is a unifying. Narrative. which is given to them? noted in some schools. They given A. A narrative jude children's be. Like to have heroes I like to be. To for their own society and I think. In schools are disparaging of. A straighter is. Is An unworthy. Country A- is unfair on the children themselves especially boys. They've Erica's and they liked us to see they country disparaged. Like to see football team. Will the cricket team the Spurs? It may be wrong, but that's. And likewise to write majority of bills, we have the them. Something to be proud of and we should teach them that this superior. Rations given them summits, but that's an interesting point and self at some point I made this observation. APOLOGIES HAD At some stage in a relatively recent past the venue of humility, and a right view of has given why as premier virtue to the audience of pride. And for me. Pride can be very easily. Something just puffs up and leads to a full. This need for balanced perspective. You know! Donald Bradman for his. Modesty and victory ungracious. Donald Don Bradman. Modesty in victory graciousness in defeat We seem to have lost that Australian. Commitment us a historian. It always seems to be one of the mocks of Australians. It shouldn't be on yourself. that a sense of proportion. Is, a! I, think A. Sport has been one of the great teachers in the State Way. One of those nations in the world and become assist with spectacular sport is very important to us and I think. A spectator sport in the nineteenth century. What resolving highly competitive and rough and tumble. There was a belief that. It was it was just as important to accept defeat graciously. Was To win Mo-. We moved a bit away. We've moved a bit away from that sentiment. The in in public life you notice that especially in you would notice in politics that. By the nineteen eighties, the great word was rights. Everybody had rides responsibilities report. You can't have rides and this is a reservoir. The responsibilities that. Supports the rights and that was really characteristic of. The nineteen nineties including. A attempt to have the whole cover to give us a bill Russell Bill Ross as lovely in theory, but. If it doesn also emphasize that you have responsibilities. It's no way the papers printed on I'm glad I strongly oppose the bill of rights, even though people say well. Nearly every country in the world has bill Russell. Many the worst countries in the world have the bill runs. I agree with you very strongly stuttered Bob Carr from the other side of politics to me. He was very effective. Pinning the failures that can derive out of competitive environment that arises but I. Think is a really important point that direct. We don't talk about freedoms anymore. We talk about rights and then if we're honest. Does runs become competitive so I have to compete for my rights versus you. That's not what we need in Australia so as waste week. We've got a debate going on other religious religious freedom bill. We've never needed it in. The past wasn't needed in Australia because. Even. The sectarian dies of Protestant versus Catholic feeling, which is something of a black mark I think on our history, but even then we didn't need legislative protection. We evolved out of it. By talking and debating and coming to our senses I would argue. Now we have to resort to law. So we took freedom, we talked competing rights. There's real. Interesting topics Not so easy to debate in public. As, they were. Twenty or forty years ago, meal universities. Tomato, disappointment Much less debate in. Universities. To be Interesting things about universities is national code for responsible conduct. Research, to my surprise. We have made universe that treat that code with contempt. Can you have national institutions which stem support their own? Moral Code and Very difficult to debate about then. Universities I should know falls too much I'll. BE EXPELLED! Well. The good thing is that you're afraid to speak. As a MA is resigning today. Night Ed from university, so appraise is. One of the things that you said you book. It struck a chord with me because. Some of the people respected most empowerment when are waiting with people from the other end of the political spectrum who had a very left wing view of the world that had a big commitment to humanity and I'm out of argued with solutions, but not with a humanity they they'd noble objectives. You I, think we're great friends with many people that you differed with enormously, but where able to have intelligent conversations an academic. And Wesley and then you ended up at. and there. Is. A lot of the Male I'm. I'm conservative. Not, in relation to change, but considered in relation to values. But by disposition is about has been. But below people on the other side of politics oddball we had. Earlier this week, the. Memorial, says the John McCain who was? The leader of the Labour party in between the primary like his father before him, and when he had used by the columns that went on a is often the take John Cain when he was primrose Victoria but I can remember a nine in drawn played football him when I was very young and the well of opposing muscle. This really is a fellow decent citizen and when I heard. The testimonies to him at the memorial service to kind of live, he lived. The way, you would often. Travel at the back of the plane while he stuff stopped. Public servants the Front playmakers neighbors? Really. Good citizen who? Loved excited loved his country and US old. People! And you him. Irrespective of His politics should be proud that he was a fellow restraint in who. Believed in giving something. Back to his country something that they've gained familiar generations. Label! I understand exactly what you're saying. In fact, one of the earlier conversations in the series was with Peter, Baldwin. who was from very much the opposite end of the political spectrum to me when we're in Canberra, but he's very fine man with a deep concern for his fellow citizens and what he has to say about where we are now is really interesting, so that's a little plug for one of the conversations with somebody who's very different and he's world. But. He cares about people. Let's explore something that you. We were touching on a moment ago. You saying you know young people. particularly young men locked to Baruch for their sports team. you can extend that out. They proud to be spreading. In previous generations, they fought to protect freedom You know we love to see a straight into the Olympics. This is a really important point, because of course, many of those who now educate our children so forth come from a world view. That suggests that nationalism is a bad idea. You say in many bites, but because the ultimate example all it is brexit. Brexit in many ways was a rejection of the European idea. Why would do away with national boundaries? It's time to do away with a nation state. To me that flies in the face of everything we know about human nature. We're tribal by night now there's a bad form of tribalism, but there's a noble form loyalty to kin to our community to our nation. How do we resolve that tension because I think? If it's clarified for the most young Australians will say. I do believe in Australia. It may be that in two hundred years, time. They will be will government. It might have been achieved by force or may have been achieved by common consent but I don't think. Will like it particularly. The advantage of. Having. The nations that you can have. A I think democracy. Can work within the. Group. She, she had venues to highly grade democracy. Of Right in the world, you couldn't have world elections. For a will parliament. That would leave people satisfied. The Nation's this institution. We haven't the moment That I may come when. Whittled down but Could you possibly say I support everything that? The United Nations does. You couldn't possibly because after all the majority of countries in the United Nations. Not Democracy and then believe in democracy. They have little. Tolerance for of news it. We have to make the most. The will we have and? Nationalistic extremists dangerous, the nationalism is if it's a modern foam is essential. You can't have you ever waking society in this See I would argue that the the fatal flaw at the heart of communism. People argue if they. Let a dyke communists they still exist. And we've got the Mac Max's saints around the place that was only the implementation of communism. That was the problem. The theories fine. I, think the theories seriously flawed because I, Don think human beings want to give their first loyalties to the path. You'll the state. They want to give it to their loved ones Do they children? To the spouses whatever? It's interesting, the revival of respect the. Communism amongst the yoga penalty is quite apparent. In in the United States in the quarter pound in England us. Is here if I had more contact. With with young people water sense, the committee. Communism started out. As a kind of an ideal and people. Saw, decide deal that we share everything and. We're all equal but communism in practiced and. Work, out that way. And a communism is is is is Riley. Sane as a virtue in some ways, but a terrible threat. In otherwise but his. New Generation knowing no history and saying that communism looks really good. Then let's see where it went wrong and try again. Let. Rises again. The importance of a proper understanding of history and out of that shared values. I don't see how without shared venues you can have a coherent policy, and we're all worried about fracturing in Canberra, but I think that reflects what we become as a people. I think the fracturing was seeing in our politics in of a lack of shared values and and a fracturing in the Australian community It worries me. We're fracturing. We don't have a common story a common set of values. And we needed to stabilize out because I'm sure they did really believe they have, but the trouble. Is that aim everything now from? Let's let's be frank too much of educational system too much of our media and several encourages us to focus on the things that divide us and the things that we don't have in common rather than things that we do having. Yeah well. I'd say to agree with. But to come back to your most famous whip. Can you just run us through how you think at distance shaped us, and then from that leading to? The the easy way we feel into democracy. Must countries went through years of bloodshed and turmoil? To establish the rule of law, the audio of We seem to do it very easily. So. Distance First. How did a shapeless people? Will just on the. Question of democracy. Strategy began his a convict settlement. The convicts were sent out here and to say this endless and of course are allowed to stay here's. Free people in fact, if they serve their seven years of forty years, state they they should. He returned doing. All of them had no money to return to England say he was a society which? Was a long way removed from democracy, but Before long convicts restore Riley here, but there was a free press. And the newspapers could take the government. They was the beginning democracy with the Little Legislative Council, some of his name is reported by the government, but I was were elected. then. But the early fifties. Colonies are called were able to create their own. Constitution yourself. Wells Salad Steiner and Viktoria. They, they were free elections. Every every mile had the vote including. In between yourself, wells aborigines if Though Problem Society and they wish to have the vote. He was some of the great inventions of democracy the secret ballot. was known embassies as stranded Bella, because really that's why or in some places Victorian Mellon, in reduced about eight hundred fifty six but that's a tremendous change where people can vote secretly rather than they are the employer look over their shoulder Z. have ever. Make sure that them. Punish or deprived motion if they voted the wrong way I. mean that's that's. An Australian invention strategy was the first nation in the world to allow women. To vote for parliament at Stanford. Bone New Zealand was ahead of us but Salem Danila. Women just hand Powell so in some ways. He is one of the great laboratories of democracy and. That, that is something to be proud. That's that's not. Not. taught in school would imagine and not known by large. By half the population will help the population as rich in a very recent and understandably. History so that. Democracy was one quietly and quickly strata, but. People would say we should one of by revolution. We've got shapely will. Maybe. We did get a cheap. I think you'd better can gain something with her blood shit years. That's my view. That's my unpopular view well. and. We were talking about the influence of Christianity. women persecuted the Vet South Australia as I understand it, and it was driven actually by a group of Christian women and women's temporal. When women's Christian Temperance Union temper. My daughter's written the thesis on them right now though that was a great campaign. CAMPAIGN THIS DEMOCRACY CLEVELAND. Women can get the vote. One of the things they could do is control the liquor Traficant. Hotel lightning as we get the. Drunkenness resume. Was! Much more difficult problem then. is now in some ways, because if husband spent, let's say twelve percent of the weekly wages the pub. What. They're been deprived. There's family of that. They needed with the more food or Clothes Etiquette close to where to go to school so that the timber's movement was really essential. As a Social Justice Movement in the era before there was a welfare state. To try to come and say people to the ill fortune. So I think the story of democracy in a stated with olas filings as a great story and now democracy. Isn't doing so well in the straight by the federal system as No waking was intended to work in the shredded constitution was to say said Toscano onto the states. Inserting tasks belong to the Federation now. We've got many. Activists that out, not anybody Komo's but by the states but. The the local Shire or city? It's at the moment the mother system and that doesn't help. It doesn't help, and we know from the Lowy Institute's work. Many young Australians now doubt democracy. I don't blind lies young Australians partly because I think they not Bain, entice to explore the options but also because of the things that you mentioned. It's not working as well as it should. and. Politics looks fractured onside. That's because as Saudis fractured, but it still looks acted as a camp. Take forward. To me, it comes back to the need. The very thing, we're talking about a better understanding of our history. A friend of mine was talking the other day about discussion. He had with a young eighteen year old Australian. Them Go. And she was astonished and angry to learn that. In the view of. My friend? We were once A. British SASAADI. She was angry about the audience that had anything to do with Britain, and wanted it or not, and simply say now. We're a multicultural society. The need to understand where you are. If you move forward surely requires that you understand where you've come from. A straighter in in the nineties engineer was. Predominantly, a British society with the English language English laws English. Institutions. Substantial minority, one time on the Gulf hills in the fifties big Chinese population overwhelmingly men. Very few women. were, large populations in the salad straighter in the women Victorian. Queensland the Bank of Aubrey, but the the Germans accepted that this was. An English Society of the Cincinnati, and that's why they came here. Persecution. In pressure in their homeland said that. We had in some senses. Multicultural population with they're very much in a minority and they accepted the venues. The host, society and welcome that his news. That's then just rounded out with salt. At the moment. We're consumed with the issue of climate change now I don't WanNa say for a moment. It's unimportant. That's not my topic. My worry is that we have learned with forgotten how to have a sensible reasons, respectful schools and that will end up implementing. Ad Hoc and unwise policies because we've lost the ability to discuss now we've always been robust in discussions in Australia, but what does allowed us to descend to the point where? Reason is so easily sacrificed in your view. A climate change will lead will is. Really. Most fascinating intellectual topics of my lifetime, and maybe of the lowest two hundred or three hundred, years. Is really quite a difficult topic, but we try to. Make It simple and UH. It puzzles me and In in many ways that We as strayed instead realize. How volatile hope? Has Been. Traditionally Museum in Europe. In their history, they don't. Have the same history as we have. He was this land populated by a bridge in his. Twenty thousand years ago. They'd been here. For the previous forty thousand years, and suddenly their whole world change. The size began to rise to degree that nobody would drive predicting in. The mood of. The Sea levels rise by one hundred meters, generally around the world strategy was cut off from New Guinea. Trying to was cut off from Tasmania. Went on me. Good woke from Hobart to put bores me. Suddenly this whole will change and Australia became a completely different place to climate change completely. Let's a bottle of a history. It wasn't. Bad By. Global warming must have been some other coors would, but that's by the history we forget. Kilometers incredibly volatile. We now know that in. The Twelfth Century ID in Australia before in Iran's where in the twelfth century, idea, very dry climate in most of the stranger, especially the zone. And Eleven seventy four began a drought lasted for thirty nine years. The, damage, it must have done under the country. The population population must have. Trained to. Birthright down the death. Right up. It's not part of his street. We know that from drills. Put Down in the. East Antarctic and what they call the law down. This should be part of thinking and if it will. In which may be. A human industrial civilization is harming the climate, but they presumably other factors because. Look what's happened in the past? You know in should be a much more open question for the Biden. Simply saying we know what. The courses is full stop. People say we should just saw as we should learn from us, we'll of course. Sauce was folksongs in nine hundred. Fifty told us there was no danger. Of the climate change illustrated you. Wash you should ana sauce, which you don't give it complete trust so I remain. Uneasy that no debate takes place about things that should be debated. Of course, it's a major American. We should be taken seriously, but has been incredibly. Simplify especially in this last Bush was season. This is my heretical thoughts. Well thank you very much. Indeed, the wisdom of the ages well, not really I've enjoyed the conversation huge then I have. This news will as well and watch us. But I have to ask you this before I. Forget I forty years of your life. They've been a few more years since. We're going to hear the rest of the story. Parts of the next I may do it I'm. I'm doing doing a bit of the moment. Of course I have to read the controversies of been in a lot of. Controversial. Situations didn't like. Controversy controversy, other other white from about. Prefer. The didn't take place, but if it's. The take part in it because. That's why you have a mind. That's boy. We Have A. Democracy. That's why we have made so. People can say. What. They think. Thank you very much indeed. You've been listening to conversations with John Addison for further content. Please visit. John Next.

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The Strangest Flight

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The Strangest Flight

"Hello. This is Jonah and I'm here with a mysterious story for Halloween. that. has a few moments that might make you jump. At any rate I hope you will be intrigued by the story of a very peculiar flight from London to New York. And I'm delighted to dedicate this story to Franklin whose Family Support Story Norrie. On patron. The strangest flight. Said Daphne the woman from the airline at the departure. Gate. You've missed it. What No. pleaded. Dad. But I can see the plane through the door it's waiting just outside on the runway. He panted the rules of the rules she replied looking at the clock you would twenty five seconds Lee. The GIT is closer. She began to pick up her IPAD and clauses of the desk and place them in her bag. Darod I told you that moving Marin duty-free. Complaints. Savannah is fourteen year old daughter. Well when's the next flight? Austat. Same time tomorrow. The rebooking fee free ticket is hundred and seventy five pounds. Outrageous exclaimed dad. Seven hundred quid for printing four tickets off a machine. Well. I hope he picked up a bargain and duty-free. Said Daphne glancing up from her desk with a little smile. pastas shoulder. She noticed the face of the woman standing behind him. She examined her features for moment. A little smile appeared around her lips. And she said, sit would even not series what's it called me Ma'am loof say she's still watch repeats every afternoon on channel. Ninety Eight You know it's. Love will strike you dead. That's the one you with the due to Shuli. Will it was made a long time ago I suppose yes, I was younger than. Wouldn't we all? Well. MRIS She closed the name on the Paul Sport and then the date of birth. Mrs Petrosky. My it's your birthday. Congratulations you a born on Halloween that must mean you're real sweetie would've H. Said Mom with a wink. Are Cool the captain. Let him know we have four later arrivals? One moment please. Mums small graciously. She had an accident for TV in over sixteen years, but it was helpful that traces of celebrity lingered on and could still win her favorites from fans of old soaps. They don't make sure that these days. Set Daphne, the line woman still smiling. He's you tickets a Justice score you to the steps nor need to run, but we had better get a move on. They soon received a much warmer reception the s Judas who greeted them at the top of the aircraft stairs smiled with perfectly purry white teeth and bright red lipstick. She was wearing a pair of red devils homes. Well, it was Halloween after all. Welcome aboard. I do hope you enjoy your flight. Trick or tweet. Cordao. Gabriel who Savannah's nine year old brother. She was ready for that and handed him a basket of sweets. He took a handful. Songs I like this airline. He said, but the best was yet to come the interior of the aircraft was like no other the family had flown on before. Instead of hundreds of see squished together rose. There was a long corridor with doors off to the sides and asked you who is dressed in pristine white sailor suit said. Your carbon is number twenty four. Let me take back bottom. He followed them along the corridor and when they reached coming twenty four, he showed them in. There were four comfy looking seats not at all squished together but arranged around Little Mahogany table. Their suitcases were waiting for them. Monto leather rocks a short flight of stairs led them up to the sleeping compartment on the upper deck with four real beds made up with luxurious sheets and pillows. And naturally they had their own washroom and lavatory on sweet. Is this an aircraft or ship? Osmium somewhat baffled we like to think of it as a luxury cruise liner with wings own said the steward. Wow squeals, Gabriel, who was looking out the window. The wings are huge and they've got propellers. Let me see butted in Savona pushing her brother aside. Cautious big. All right extremely old fashioned like out of black and white movie. Are you sure this contraption from slide at dodge shrugged his shoulders I really wasn't expecting this. He said. Mom put her arm around him. Well, it's a gorgeous surprise. Darling she told him. Even if it doesn't fly a don't mind staying here for the whole holiday smell these roses and there's a bottle of bubbly on is this is going to be luxury. If you're ready I'll show you the rest of the aircraft said the steward. They wanted further down the corridor to a part of the plane that opened up into a dining room for about thirty people. It was illuminated by large crystal chandelier and Pumpkin Jukka London's on each table. Dino will be served. What's we're on our way said the steward. I book your sitting. Now if you like, would you like eight thirty suit you? Savannah by now assumed that they were really staying in a hotel that looked like a plane. This talk of going anywhere was a kind of fiction. But there was no way. The whole thing could take off the ground in her view they continued on their tour of the long tube. I'd in this area said the steward showing them a ball and comfort. So focus is the cocktail lounge drinks will be served at any time other than takeoff landing. And finally when they had passed through the cocktail lounge, they came to a cinema with seats. Later on, we will be showing a cartoon followed by a movie entitled the invasion of the Body snatchers I'm told that it's not for the faint hearted, but is Halloween after all. They returned to their cabin and sat down in the deep chairs seizes the strangest hotel ever. Said Gabriel. It's quite as a prize. Said Mum and it's very nice. But I haven't seen a bathtub shower yet who ever heard of an era payment a ball stub all start with a smile Savona thought he must be kidding them. He had promised the family a trip to New York. Mums fortieth birthday. But instead, he had booked them into this weird hotel that look like an aeroplane. Dad You. cheapskate she said with a plane tickets too expensive. No. Own ously said dad throwing up his hands. I did because flights to new. York. I wasn't expecting anything like this. I'm curious to see what happens next is you all a smooth voice came over loudspeaker? Ladies and Gentlemen I'm your pilot captain. James. CanNot like to welcome you -able this magnificent Bristol will waiting for clearance from control tower expects we shall be taking off from London appleton approximately fifteen minutes of light to new. York will take just over fourteen hours and we hope you will enjoy every moment and may I take this opportunity to wish you will very happy Halloween? WIT is exciting said MOM. A birthday mystery just for me but I don't think this thing can fly. If there was such thing as flying hotel I think we would have heard of don't you? It's like the titanic only with wings. Gabriel. We've been learning about at school. It was a huge ship that people said could never sink. Even though it was really really heavy and then it went in his an iceberg. Do Chateau Mater Savona. Away to came in and Porch Campaign for mom and dad and fruit cocktails for the kids. Oh, would you kill for caviar? He asked rather said Dad. Soon the waiter brought a silver plate of little pancakes quote Blaney and another silver bowl containing shiny black eggs of Beluga. Caviar Exclaimed Gabriel. This is Yuck. Oh the move for us then replied mum greedily while wiping little of caviar from hell lip using a start. White Napkin. The steward knocked on the door. Sorry to bother you he said softly, but the captain is requesting but everybody fast their seatbelts as we shall soon be taking off. Thank you so much. Said Mum glancing down to find the seat belt which he had not noticed before. And by the way, the life jackets, which, of course, we hope you were beating are in the bottom of the cupboard with a mirror. Set Steward. That's all I. Have to tell you about safety joy of flight at just ring the bell anytime you need anything. When he had gone Gabriel lost each he joking or are we really going to fly? We'll soon find out. Said Dot. Another ten minutes pass before the propellers spluttered into action. And the aircraft taxied on the runway. Wow said Savannah. It feels like we are really moving. She had to raise her voice becau