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Ep 348 - Breakfast at Tiffany's, by Truman Capote

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Ep 348 - Breakfast at Tiffany's, by Truman Capote

"This is a head gum podcast. While engine Craig believe, the joy of discovery is crucial to enjoying any well told tale they will not shy away from spoiling specific story beats when necessary. Plus these are books you should have read by now. Indra would eat for breakfast sandwich lead where their eggs in it. No is peanut butter jelly sandwich. Okay. We're gonna overdo. It's pass books. Even mean to read my name is Craig my name's Andrew why you Raza me about my breakfast. Well, I don't I I was thinking of whether or not butter and jelly was a conventional breakfast sandwich. I don't know that it is. But it's got like, you know, bread and fruit. And yeah, Tina do stuff. Did you eat it before noon? No. So a brunch. Perhaps you had. I shouldn't be giving you the so important to you. What did you eat for breakfast? Yeah. Well, so get out of my butt about it. I have rigor as the goose goose because have any breakfast food. We didn't have any real food of the house this morning. So I just kind of like that. It's like any time like the kid in a in a show is left alone on like a Cigna m-. Yeah. I was a hamburger and couscous Israel food. You mean, you don't have like a comprehensive of a meal meal with like a through line in your no narrative arc to my meal. Yeah. We're talking about breakfast at Tiffany's by Truman Capote on. This week's episode of the show, Andrew what's the show? Again. If aim was show is overdue. What do we keep? It means read every week one of us read the book that we haven't read before. And then we talk about to the other person. We also do some research on like authors and stuff so beca breakfast at Tiffany's was published in nineteen ninety five by the American alternative rock band. Deep blue something it's kind of their only song. Yeah. It was first appeared on the eleven song, but then was re recorded and re released again on a subsequent album. I just why how often does that happen? That's that's a mazing actually. And the the song's about two people who don't have anything common. And so she's trying to break up with the guy. And he's like, well, we both kinda liked the movie breakfast at Tiffany's. So I bet we can work it out. And that's the song. And another fun fact about it is that it was actually based legs inspired by the film. Roman holiday not breakfast at Tiffany's. But the songwriter Todd pipes, which is the very good name and probably. Thought that another Audrey Hepburn film would make better song title. I wouldn't listen to us on called Roman. Holly. We have Roman holiday. No, it doesn't. I that. Is that song is in the like dozen or so odd cappella saw tracks. I downloaded off of like Napster when I was in high school boy. And it was it was that like era where anytime someone was covering pop music. They just called it rock appele and the band Raka. Pella had to be like, no, we did not do breakfast at Tiffany's. No, we have not done. These nirvana songs that you have. So. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because nobody knew did anything on. They couldn't fathom that other groups would make these songs there must only be the one only the only Raka pella's there. So we have talked about Truman Capote like years ago. Yeah, we did an episode on in cold blood like us for ever ago. Yeah. I think after we started doing author research. I I don't know. I I don't know. I do know that Mr. Capote was born in nineteen twenty four and passed in nineteen eighty four his real not real name when he was born. He was name was Truman strictest. Persons or Parsons? We see if I get that. Right because vist worried that my. Autocorrect has changed his name on you mean Truman. Strictest person's. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Many later took Capote from his adopted stepfather in New York. He was good childhood friends with Harper Lee, author of to kill a mocking bird. And if you are familiar with the character deal from that book that is apparently Truman Capote as a young child. Just think about that. I get and then they drifted apart later in life. So after he wrote. In cold blood, which was in the sixties. I think because he he. Was in cold blood fifties? That's a great question. That's a great question. Really coming in hot on this one. Ah-ha? I didn't make the note of the date of that one in nineteen sixty five very so. Yeah, he he didn't publish another novel after that. And he started getting increasingly into drugs and alcohol and things that would later like indirectly lead to his mental deterioration and his death. And he and Harper Lee drifted a part in that in that period of his life, and they weren't friends anymore after that, which is sad story that is. Six years to write in cold blood, which I don't think I remembered minutes referred to as the nonfiction novel like cereal the podcast, but as a book, maybe it's a precursor to the the true crime moment like movement. I don't I don't know that it's the originator for all that stuff. But it's a very influential work in an encompasses. I think the salaciousness and gripping nece and also kind of gross intrusiveness of that genre. Yes. Pretty pretty well. Yeah. And I got this from his New York time a bitch wary. Someone Stanley Kauffmann reviewing in Copland took a stab at Capote saying this isn't writing it's research, which was apparently a reference to Capote writing about Jack Kerouac this isn't writing it's typing which is good. Tech heroic. Yeah. The Capote's burn is better than the one on. Yeah. He seems to have had a knack for that. Yeah. So this story was published in nineteen fifty eight. It was sold to Harper's. But then they didn't wanna do it. Because it was like a budget was. Yes, salaciousness very saying the word solution. But yeah. Executives from the Hearst corporation, which which owned Harper's bazaar was like, hey, can you change this change us some more? Can you change it a little bit more and Capote was like no, I don't really want to. But then he did a little bit. But then they didn't run it anyway. So he had sold it to our bizarre for two thousand dollars. They said they were going to read it. He got really upset and sold it to Esquire for three thousand dollars. And it was published there in nineteen fifty eight became very popular. And then later on it was it was published separately in its own volume with a few other Capote short stories. Yes. Apparently some Russia. Billionaire owns the original manuscript like bought at auction for like three hundred K some oligarch. That's that's how you know. You've made it when a random rich person across the world does buys your stuff. Do you think someone will buy our masters in like, those do you think if a Russian oligarch with a bunch of like oil money came and said, I will buy your podcasts the original MP threes. Please. Would we would we do it? Well, would you be buying it from us? Or would you buy it from like after we die in our from our data, Mara states? Yes. Yeah. I don't I also don't know if it's like a Martin Shkreli Wu Tang like nobody else can listen to it after the guy buys it. Or if you just gets all the all the the ad money from whoever advertiser is this week. Yeah. That's a thick. Maybe. Yeah. All that. All those licenses would transfer best squarespace. Yes. Tomorrow on that a minute. Are you familiar with this movie at all Andrew, I am not? So we're going to disappoint people. I think who might want to detailed breakdown of the film. Yeah. We we'd planned on Susanna plan on watching it this weekend things just did not work out. It was it's been a week. I know that's got Audrey Hepburn in it. I know it's got George pip hard in it. Sure was the also the main guy in eighteen. Oh, yeah. You're right about George prepared. I know now are recall that yes, I know has Mickey Rooney in it. Yes. Mickey Rooney as Mr. Yoshi in like yellow face. Yeah. I was gonna say Rooney and uneo she don't sound like compatible surname, it's been roundly critiqued ever since. And I think you know, Rooney is on record being like if at the time, I thought it had been offensive. I wouldn't have done it. But peach was funny. So yeah. But it's a it's very popular film. It's one of them one of them. Good ones. Well, it's as one of the famous movies one of the great films, so famous in fact that someone could write a song referencing it and everyone would just kinda getting like thirty years thirty four years later. Yes. It'd be like, yeah. I do kinda like that movie breakfast at Tiffany's. Yeah. Yeah. Let's take a quick break. Andrew, and I will tell you about the book itself. Great good. Craig I've got a restaurant called Tiffany's that is gonna serve breakfast. And I am going to make a website for it. And I'm gonna use squarespace. Usually. I ask you how to help me. 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They opened a cafe on their fourth floor where you can go and get breakfast starting at twenty nine dollars, which includes t croissant seasonal fruit and a waffle salmon or bagels on. No, avocado toast. Probably sounds sites overkill. I don't know if I'm paying twenty nine dollars for breakfast issue. Come with a diamond. Yeah. That's my. Yeah. You could get the Fifth Avenue salad with Maine, lobster grapefruit and poppy seed dressing or the olive oil poached, salmon, caviar and smashed potatoes for thirty nine dollars. That's the thing. They let Gallagher Adam, you know, big hammer. Yeah. Well, he's got to work somewhere. I guess so Tiffany is right. Is this fancy store the company's been around since eighteen thirties or some nonsense that sells like jewelry and fancy stuff for your house. I think when I was a kid I thought that the book breakfast at Tiffany's and the movie did involve a character named Tiffany yet. I think I thought that too untrue. I just didn't spend a lot of time in jewelry stores strew. The book centers on a character named Holly Golightly holiday Golightly is her name. Okay. And how it isn't. But okay. Well, okay. It's sort of real and are are like protagonist, quote unquote is actually an unnamed narrator who just kind of exists in Holly's life. He'd comes to have feelings for her. But nothing I guess it's like the George pa- character from the movie, but it's my understanding that even he is kind of like fleshed out in a way that the story does not do they they do not like have a romantic relationship by the end of the story or anything like that. Sure. So like opens with him in a bar hanging out with a guy named Joe bell who runs the bar. There's no Neons or television in this bar. Andrew to tell you to give you the vibe of what? Or television. You're just there to like have a drink and hang hosts. And I think it's like they're in the late fifties at this point, and they have come across like photos from some guy who went travelling in Africa, and some buddy has a sculpture of a of like a carving of a head that looks like their friend, Holly Golightly. And the story goes from the other guy who lives in the apartment building with the narrator, Mr. uneo, she who mentioned earlier that was travelling through Africa with two other men, and that they saw her at the she had been seen at this village or something and then someone carved her face into would. Okay. So she's kinda kind of a globetrotter. Sure. And guess no one seen her in a long time. So the book is kind of setting up this like, well, what happened to her? Did she get married? Did she dead is she actually in Africa who knows? And then the rest of the story is like how I knew Holly signed the unnamed narrator, and here is he was an important lady in my life. And I'll tell you about her. Sure. And so it's taking place during World War Two. There's like mentions of rationing and things like peanut butter rationing that would have put a damper on my sandwiches more. I know you wouldn't be what enjoy your breakfast. And the guy is living in the house living in like a multi story apartment Brownstone walkup kind of thing, and he sees on the mailbox a curious card. He says MS holiday, go lightly, traveling like her or card says traveling on it like, she's always go and place. It she's always around. He doesn't really know what that means that made sense. You know, he I catches his glimpse of her when she is ringing other people's bills. So that she can get in like, she always comes back at odd hours, buzzes, someone else's doorbell. And then is like, oh, I have forgot. My key leather seems inconsiderate and probably the only thing like the only way could get away with that is by being cute or something. I don't know. Yeah. Because she does end up like Khan. Flirting with mystery and Yoshi who let's are in. And then she promises to never bother him again for that. And that's how she ends up meeting our protagonist because she starts ringing his buzzer. You hard. Yes for sure or Truman Capote who knows? I'm really on George George falling apart. In the first full paragraph description of her from our narrator from George here's what we get Andrew. She has chic thinness. Okay, same. She has a breakfast cereal air of health sales. Okay. Same. She has a soap and lemon cleanness. Yes. Same. She has a large mouth she wears dark glasses. No. That's not me. Not she has a face a quote a face beyond childhood yet. This side of belonging to a woman. That's a little creepy. Okay. But same as and she's almost nineteen. So I think that was a thing that I did not know coming into this book was that like it's a it was a woman that young. In my head Audrey Hepburn is always like thirty two. Right. Just because I don't know. I'm not familiar enough for like her whole canon to be like, oh, here's where she was this young. And here's where she was this old film. So I'm just like you're just a a woman who exists, and that's like a good meaning in my brain. Sure. And so she's just like younger woman who is out existing. It's unclear how long she's been living in this apartment. And she like has a guy you see her coming in. And there's a guy with her that has walked her home after she's out, and she kind of like doesn't she's not bringing him home with her? He's just like he's been hanging on, you know, he's not a great guy because he says you like me baby mama liked guy. Okay. No. And she slams the door in his face. That's my business card says like sky liked. Feel like not just a little me thinks. And so before she even starts like connecting with our main character. He is now like capital a aware of her in that way that like I guess sort of when you have a crush on someone, and maybe you haven't really talked to them, you're dislike. Oh, that's a now. I'm like keeping track of that person. Like. Like if someone was in your class in high school, you're like, oh, that's what's their schedule. Where do they go? And do that thing like he is now like kind of tracking comings and goings he is noticed that she receives a lot of V letters Andrew ever heard v letters is that is like love letters or like what's v not Valentine. No, it's it's victory mail. Is that like a support the troops thing? It's what you would. It's what they called the letters. You would get back like from the front. Okay. My head. It was some sort of like virtual male female. And she like sing show. He's like hearing her sing show tunes on guitar in the part below him. She has a cat that does have a name. And then like one night, she just shows up at his at his window like Shawn hunter from meets world. And she has a problem because there's dude in her place that she doesn't that has like he's kinda drunk, and she doesn't want to spend more time with him. So she just leaves and comes to this guy's apartment, which gives the thing. You can do. Sure with fire escapes. And she starts kind of like a friendship with him where she says he reminds her of her brother, Fred he tells her that he's like a struggling writer, and she is like, hey, I'm a socialite and all like introduce you to someone maybe your story can get published. She also reveals Andrew that every Thursday, she goes to the sing-sing prison to visit someone named Sally tomato. These names are something I know. Go lightly and Sally tomato and Sally tomato is like doing. He's an older guy who's doing like five years for mafia stuff and someone at the bar row. Her letter that was like, hey, would you like to start visiting Sally tomato for money. I'll pay you sounds like a euphemism for doing drugs like, okay, I will pay you every time you come back from talking with him. And give me the quote, unquote weather report. This is all very shady. So she is has like an air of plausible deniability where she doesn't know what there's a hurricane in Cuba. Or it's snowing in Palermo means. But she's just like seeing older guy in jail. Yeah. Making them feel good. No big deal. You know, whom said among longest hasn't looked for ways to get paid by visiting people in jail. It's snowing in Detroit, but the strawberries are still fresh. That's my code Mike Lang with carrots are ripe. Yeah, you're right. Nobody would say that natural conversation. And so our George peppard Fred character because she's now calling our narrator. Fred runs, her of her, brother. Is now just like a window into her life. There's like a we meet a bunch of other characters through a big like stag party at her place. Where dude show up 'cause you know, we find out that she's been hanging onto some rich boy named rusty trawler. And their name. Rusty trawler is he was orphaned Rutherford trawler excuse me was orphaned at age five in his became like, a millionaire celebrity he's had multiple wives. He's and Nazi sympathizer. That's not my favorite kind of sympathizer. Oh, all these details. Are just kind of floating in the background like they don't. They're the book doesn't have. Like a driving. How is this going to resolve plot? It's more of a character sketch of Holly than anything else. So we learn about her through all of these scenes were Fred is like, hey, what's your deal? And the big her biggest deal is that she like her apartment is. And you learn through like details like her cat not having a name and her apartment being completely unfurnished despite her like having these big these big boy parties there. And she says, I don't want to own anything until I know I found the place where me and things belonged together. And she talks she talks about not getting the blues. But getting the mean reds. And he's like sort of like the blues. She's like, no, it's worse. And it's sort of described as like version of like anx like you're just like your frayed, and you sweat like hell, but you don't know what you're afraid of something bad is going to happen on the you don't know what it is. And the only way that she can cope is by going to Tiffany's where it's like, quiet and chill and fancy and outside world isn't bugging you and have breakfast while they don't she she wishes that she could like just go there. And and have wouldn't it be great? If you could go there have breakfast and just like get away from the world. She even bought those cards that say traveling from Tiffany's just to like drive at home. And if she can find feels like you could get imprinted more cheaply at the kinko's or something. Well, yeah. But then they wouldn't be from Tiffany's rancher show point. And she says if she could find a real situation that made her feel like that she would then like buy furniture in name, a cat or settle down or whatever where do you like to go when you get the mean reds, Andrew I get the mean reds. Yeah. Mostly like the. Just like a be by myself wherever so that I'm not inflicting it on anyone Moshe usually just needs to work it out. And so I'll read or I'll play a game or something until I'm feeling more at ease. Okay. Makes sense. I mean, you would you. I think the thing that's interesting about Holly is she is like she is this. City filling extrovert. And so for her to like, she's like all over town all the time. And so I think for her like getting the mean reds. She has to run away to a place where like it's extra quiet, an extra like alone. I don't I'm like, I think I'm probably in-between. Like, I'm with you. Sometimes I just need to be by myself. But I think I'm more of an extrovert by nature. So it's definitely true. Definitely I don't know where I would go. If I got the mean reds. I can like if I if I am going to a party already in a half. Like, I happen to have the mean reds. Somewhere. Usually having to go out and force myself to be sociable does help is just not my go-to. Sure. Sure. Sure. And sometimes it's like, you can go out and be sociable it helps if you like know who's gonna be they're gonna be prising that come gay. I definitely don't want to be doing small talk with people. I don't know at at a party when I'm trying to get over the mean reds. Sure. So all like Holly is making her like she's living off of going to these parties of making these connections with men who like by her stuff. She has his relationship with rusty. Where like maybe he's been divorced at least three times, maybe he'll end up marrying her and she'll have money through him, and she'll be like squared away. It's not really sure that she loves him. Or if that even really matters. We get other characters that she's hanging out with MAG Wildwood, who is like the only other main female character that we meet so many names. And we also get Jose Ibarra Yeager who is like a Brazilian diplomat. Who at one point they references like maybe wanting to be president of Brazil, just like you do I guess. The here. We're letting anybody do at these days. Oh boy. Howdy. The four of them kinda run as a pack and end up like, you know, the end up swapping partners later in the book like rusty runs off swinging. No, not on purpose. Russ ends up like running off with MAG and getting married, and and then Holly is cultivating relationships with Jose. But the whole time zapping she has this like sorta indie comedy relationship with the main character where it's explicitly not remanded. But he is obviously developing feelings for her, and she is just like happy to have him around. It's not romantic from her side of the thing. Yeah. I believe that is explicitly not. So she does like make a lot of space for him in her life. And there's like the early part of the book, they're just like they go-round city, and, you know, do fun stuff like steel Halloween masks from a store, and she's like, hey, sometimes I steal stuff. Like, let's go. But then they also get in like a big fight when she's wondering why he bothers to write the fiction that he writes, which is like all issues and social issues and things like that. And just like why would you do that? And. They fight about like whether or not it's worthwhile to have literary fiction. I guess he calls her dome, basically. And she kicks him out. And they don't hang out for a little while until and this. I thought was going to be a bigger part of the book that it was a man shows up named doc Golightly. He is a horse doctor from Texas. He's got a picture of a younger, Holly her brother, Fred and some other kids, and our main character is soums that it's like, oh, this is her dad, and he's like, nah. I'm married her a little while ago shakes when I found her and her brother like in my house because their parents had died, and I had all these other kids from my wife who died, and so I married her, and it was cool, but I could never really make her happy. And then one day she went for a walk and never came back. Also, her name is Lula Mae Barnes holiday or Holly. And I thought this was going to be like madmen esque mystery identity like a yeah. Okay story where it was now going to be about them like her keeping this from people or the main character stopping her from getting it exposed or something like that. No, she Khanna just cops to it explains. That this was a hard part of her life that she's moving on from. And then tells the doctor dislike go back to Texas. I'm too wild for you. Good. Bye. I guess that just speaks to like the style of literary fiction novella that it is like it. It doesn't have this mystery hook. It doesn't have like what's going to happen to her or what's going to happen to the narrator. You're just kinda like chill in with these characters for awhile. It's been a while since I've read something like this usually last couple of months, I feel like we've been reading a lot of like. Saifi and big fantasy books that are like, oh what happens? What are what is the world like, and this is just like some people in New York being New York people? Feeling for a while that was a Jonah of book or even like TV show. I think maybe still it is a it's a it's a version of TV show that just like just is allowed to happen. And I don't really understand the. Appeal so much like, I don't my favorite shows are not the ones where it's just like people hanging out and like say funny things so each other like I can appreciate that. If it's well done, but. I don't know mostly I need more of a more of a something in that. You're just hanging out to be happening. Yeah. I mean, there are big events that happened to her in this book. So like, the it's just it's a lot more concise. I guess than I even expected. So like, the the thing with doc, Holliday dot Colladay, DACA. Go lightly holiday holiday Golightly. He shows up that scene happens. And then we never hear from gin. The rusty trawler stuff like happens and then await he married MAG. And then he's basically out of the book. The main through line. I guess kinda plot wise is that lake later in the book, she gets in trouble with the cops for the Sally tomatoes stuff. And how could you not? It's so transparently a crime somebody's doing a crime. I don't know what the crime is or who's doing it or why. But it's clear that there's crime. Yes. And like that ties back to an early an earlier character that we meet who is like a holiday a Hollywood agent excuse me who tried to get her into into pictures. See, and she just wouldn't take to it. She ran away to New York instead of being in movies. And he's the guy we go back to post bail to get her out of jail. In through all of this. She is like it's not as I said, it's not a will. They won't they between her and the narrator. It is him. Like attempting to stay connected to her them fighting them coming back together them almost falling out again when she is going to jail, and then he like helps her abscond to the airport to to get away. Okay. In in that she is like. Thinking she'll end up with Jose. He breaks up with her. And I don't know like she is basically Nellie for Todd does on like a bird like as a care. Or like, she just wants to be wild. She just wants to fly way. And there's you get a brief snippet of her attempting to settle after she gets a telegram that her brother dies. So this is like a is one of the more real world things in the book that I think landed for me as like a successful dramatic moment where her -partment is getting trashed and like another woman in the in the building like she's getting in a fight up there, and the the main character runs in and no she's just like completely trashed the place because she got this telegram that her brothers died in the war and following that she like really is when she tries to develop this relationship with Jose. She says she's pregnant I think we're supposed to believe that. And she starts like buying furniture. And starting to learn to cook done clear how good she's supposed to be at it or not. And like, maybe she's going to settle down. And I I wonder if that's supposed to be like she had this. Anchor out on the other side of the world in Europe that she was like waiting to come back, and then would continue her life with her brother. And then with that gone. She is like, okay, I guess this is it, but it's unclear like other than that. He's important to her. You don't really get a sense of like what their relationship was. Which to the which just makes her like, she's a she's Capote tries to give you these like background motivations. But I think she's at her best when she's more. You don't really know why she's doing what she's doing? You're just kind of like why is this nineteen year old being this type associate why she running with the mafia? Why is she having these big parties? How is this satisfying to her as a human? How is she making any sort of real connection with people? I was surprised I found a contemporaneous review of the book that basically was like. This. Character is interesting. I don't buy the Texas stuff. I don't buy the salad tomatoes. And I don't know that I quite agree with that. I think it's an interesting portrait of someone who's like defines herself by transactional relationships that she wishes were deeper you wanted to talk about the manic pixie dream, girl quality sure that I don't know if there's a way that segue into that. Or if that is the way that probably is. I was I also found a review of the of the film where she is referred to as a what does it say Audrey Hepburn who despite her normal star startled fawn exterior now is displaying a fait comic talent that should enchant Mr. Capote who created the amoral pixie, she portrays as well as movie goers meeting her for the first time as Holly Golightly. I was surprised to see the word pixie dropped their because like. We've talked about the trope of the Manny manic pixie dream girl before and how it is useful and not useful. I don't think it directly applies here because she is basically the main character. I don't know I think in the in the tropes that we that. We are talking about with that device. It's usually like a character who is underdeveloped, but is meant to teach the main character, something sure. And so it's interesting that she's someone who is mysterious and who is kind of eccentric and has these outlandish dreams for her life, which all all socio with that with that trope. But because we know so little about the main character, and ultimately, I don't think he changes very much. It doesn't do the same thing. And it kind of reductive I I was wondering if it was going to apply to this book as when I started it, and as I've been thinking about it. I don't know that it does. Well, it's like it's a it's a reductive description to start like the guy Nathan who sorta coined it back in two thousand five I think more recently in twenty fourteen wrote at this point in my life. I honestly hate the term too. I feel deeply weird if not downright ashamed having created a cliche that has been trotted out again and again in infinite internet feedback loop. I understand how someone could read the clubless demanding pixie Dreamgirls and be offended by the assertion that character, they deeply love have an enduring affection for. Whether it's danke any hall or Katherine Hepburn and bringing up baby is nothing more than a representation of a sexist trope or some said dudes regressive fantasy so yeah, though. Audrey Hepburn is on this av club list. I found of manic pixie germ girls at number eleven. Yeah. I I don't know especially based on the stuff that you've been saying, I don't know that it's really a a great descript or of the kind of character this is supposed to be. I think if you wrote it from her perspective, it would be more interesting because stay with me on this. It would be a book about somebody who's doing a lot of crimes and booth thing. Oughta dudes. Sure AB. She is in. Maybe she is not she's got a more together than she acts. Like she does. That's yes. That would be the version of this character. If you got it from her point of view, what does she came from the from George parts point of view, right? It's like, oh, I got it. I gotta help this. She's just gotten caught up in something. She doesn't understand. And I've got to help her out. From her perspective. It's like, oh, no operation hot tomato. Or whatever is is it's compromised. I got a gotta get outta here. I gotta go back. Yes. What was that book that I read about that guy who'd killed people? Oh, I almost said that the the Tom riddle book. It's not that. It's oh God. What does that book called? I can't remember what that book this ter- poppers penguins. No, MR the marvelous misses me, Mr. Mr. Holland's, opus know about oh, gosh, I'm trying to kill me. Ple. Some europe. I'm just googling. Now held mister Ripley. Yeah. The Ripley I think there's a keep as much of that in there as you want. The talented Mr. Ripley, I think there's a there there could be a talented Holly Golightly. Sure, look where she's just doing different crimes in different locales and making guys, you know, just just come along for the ride. Yeah. That could work. That's members of this book. I wanna read. Okay. Well, the the version that I read. She would if if you didn't change too much about her. She would be mutt. Way more of an unreliable narrator. And so there might be more like. Kind of like flights have fancy versions of what she's doing that? Which could be does that mean, you could maybe get both. You could maybe get a story of Holly Golightly where she is playing up the mister Ripley esque version of her escapades, but actually she's just trying to figure it out as she goes like, maybe she's not a mastermind, but she is telling herself she is to like make any of this makes sense that that jives I think the this fictional version of the book that we've made up. I think jives with this with this character who. Prizes like a bluntness, and a truthfulness that I don't know that she even lives up to at one point. She says Andrew stores the end of the book says be anything but a coward pretender emotional crook whore. I'd rather have cancer than dishonest heart. Feel like I saw that at a bed bath and beyond on a pillow. Or a wood carving? Yeah. It reminds me of the like a the the war against phonies from catcher in the rye one character refers to Holly as a real phony. Which is like I don't mean. Like, I don't think he's supposed to say that she is like actually a phony. But she is someone who is playing up a character in version of herself in a very, you know, earnest way, I don't know what it is about the mid twentieth century where we were all really worried about whether or not people were authentic what I'd over still people still very about that. That's that's true where we just having a conversation about presidential candidates like last night where we were talking about perceived authenticity. Yeah. That's fair. That's fair. And I guess like about Holly particular the fact that she's nineteen plays into. It'll like that. She is a nineteen year old woman on her own in the big city. And what the the way that she has chosen to make go of things is to find men who will give her men, and I guess larger exempt people, but mostly men who will like give time and space and the resources to get by. And I think the fact that she's that young plays into why she's so restless as a personality like trying to think of who I was at nineteen, and if I had been alone in a big city like that not attached. So like a college or anything what I would have been doing. I really have no idea. Like, I feel very fortunate that I was like trapped in a small town in the middle of nowhere with classes to go to my sophomore year of college. Because to I don't know there that type of self invention would do I did I con was able to delay that right? College is big for delaying things. Including debt and whatnot. But. I don't know who were you at nineteen. I knew but like who were you at nineteen. I don't know some idiot. Yeah. I think that's part of who. She is. You know, I couldn't done any crimes. You couldn't have. Well, I couldn't done. Good crimes done stupid crimes. So yeah, she's that's holiday Golightly. Apparently, she was based on one or several real people. Yeah. There's a lot of conversation about who she is based on. And and somebody said that every one of Capote's female friends, basically claim to be the inspiration of her at some point. There was also some speculation about whether the character was like based lightly on Capote's mother who has a similar history. Also changed her name from from something. More like rural sounding to something. More quote, sophisticated sounding Lula Mae Barnes becomes Holly Golightly and lily may Faulk becomes Nina Capote Capote. And yes, some of the some of the women like model socialites actresses who are speculated to be the inspiration for Hollywood lightly include a Gloria Vanderbilt, no O'neil, Carol grace, doors, Lilly, Dorian Leigh, Suzy Parker and Maeve Brennan is I pronounce sounds right? Yep. Sure. Yeah. He. End of the day. Nobody knows he referred to as the Holly go lightly sweepstakes. Which just seems like a jerk move to like have a bunch of friends. I'll be like is the story about me. And he's like who knows? And he was the author is dead and up into the sky. You see that he was unsuccessfully sued by someone named Bonnie go lightly. I did see that claimed that this was a liable account. She does like toss around some pretty ear pulling offensive language that is of its time. You know in what she says about lesbians, and and black people and just like she is a mixed bag of opinions. Holly Golightly is at times, she seems to be doing it to like get a rise out of people. So it's hard to pin down what she actually believes that both lens to her like, I guess a lure to the narrator and also to like whether or not you're supposed to feel for her as the reader yourself. And then there's also just like coming to this book if you haven't read like fiction like classically literary fiction in a while. You'll see like hallmarks of classic symbolism. Like, her cat, and the birdcage that you'll see which is very on the knows about some classic symbolism. No like shut up. I just mean like over simple that you could teach in a high school English class. Like the book is short enough that any of the few symbols that that Capote does put in like pop to OC. So this is the kind of stuff you put on pop quiz. Yes. 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Capote (2005)

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Capote (2005)

"Everybody welcome back to another bald movie. I'm used Iran, and I'm Jim and we are here to talk about the two thousand and five bio pic. Composed, day. Which got nominated for best picture. Just a slew of picture director actor nominations it was directed by Bennett Miller. WHO's also director of Moneyball, two thousand eleven and Fox catcher from two thousand fourteen. and written by Dan Fodder. Men Who is a writer who also collaborated with Bennett Miller on the movie foxcatcher both or Childhood Friends of Philip Seymour Hoffman who plays the titular Caputo and took home Oscar gold for this just amazing and precise. Portrayal of this very very interesting complicated man. during during a defining period of his tie, his life, it stars, said Philip Seymour Hoffman. S Caputo Catherine Keener, who does an amazing job at playing? Harper Lee yes that Harper Lee the killer Mockingbird Harper Lee. Clifton Collins Junior who you might remember as Lawrence from westworld. plays a drifter that the. Capote gets involved in in this murder investigation. Bruce Greenwood plays Philipsburg Seymour long-term romantic interest and partner Amy Ryan You might recognize from the office. is also in this movie playing the wife of a investigator from Kansas and Chris Cooper. Chris Cooper The investigator he's. He's playing the gruff paternal figure that he always see him in movies, and then these guys sometimes is a bad guy, but he's always graphing and very fatherly man. I really love this guy. This is the first time I've ever seen. It's I have wanted Z. for sometime and I was blown away Jim What's your experience with this film? And what you think? I was also blow away I didn't know anything about Truman Capote. Almost literally nothing I knew he was an author. I didn't know that he wrote. screenplays didn't know that he wrote breakfast at Tiffany's, I didn't know. Anything about the man other than he had written some pretty famous stuff but I didn't know what those things were, and so I go into this movie thinking. The reason I wanted to watch. This is because I heard. How Good Philip Seymour Hoffman was in it. And we've just come off. One of his other performances in talented Mister Ripley and that was like A. Not Not to my taste, but this movie absolutely was. And I was surprised by what A. Deep Look at a complicated character. This was it's. It's much better than a run of the mill bio-pic. I kind of expected to just get in here and be totally nonplussed by all of the capote stuff in the movie capote. And be looking sort of four Hoffman to redeem this film in my eyes, but I found that the the film itself was up to the challenge. Really liked it. Because I didn't know him I knew this tobacco new. He's a public figure. kind of like an Oscar Wilde type WHO's just renowned for being in this league, quotable and very quick, witted and probably flexible and a source of sexual orientation I I found that you know I've done a lot of research. Since actually I thought this movie did a great job of just spoon feeding all these details, and like you really get a feel like and just watching. that is fantastic introduction of a character where he's just holding court party, talking you name dropping left and rights, and like walking that fine line between someone saying you're foolish shit and also just being kind of fascinated fascinating. Quick shut down. and they just do like just keep on building like I remember like when Harper Lee steps on like Shirley. It's not that Harper Lee. Is that Harper Lee and they just keep on, and also they use that as kind of like a way to tell the passage of time like Oh. She Shopping Tequila mockingbird. Oh, it's sold and she's Oh. It's actually doing well. Oh, it's actually being You know. Henry Fonda playing her her Father Atticus finch and the movies premiering there at the movie it uses at the kind of tell the passage of time which I thought was really fascinating. Man I just. I can't put my finger on anything other than as he said. Philip Seymour Hoffman into just super watchable as this character and depth. I. We need to get into. I don't WanNa. Get into too many spoilers the far any more than we already have but it's not a case. You don't know like us like what the Hell is about so you have acclaimed author, playwright and public. Personality Truman Capote as we talked about hot off his success with breakfast at Tiffany's. Looking for his next project, and he sets his eyes on this murder. Case in Kansas needs enthralled a shocking, the mid Western affair, and he wants to go out and capture like from a ground. I view the communities mood dealing with something like this doesn't happen every day. small town live in his research. He ends up getting a very strong identification with and even an attraction to one of the suspected murders. Treatment is going to go onto writes a groundbreaking book called in cold blood that will be widely credited with being the first nonfiction novel ever written as well as in inventing an entirely new genre of literature that of the true crime novel. But at what personal and moral cost to himself. Because, boy, Howdy, he does. That's questionable things in the route of. Along the way of writing that book and I the film explores all these themes in ways that I found really interesting and lightning and satisfying. Yeah, yeah, definitely things that I had not really considered too much. It's like how does doesn't authors work? Affect the author themselves. Where the lines were the ethical lines between telling a story. As effectively as you can and telling a story, that's true. Where the lines between author in subject to I mean there's. There's any number of questions about being an author trying to write about real people in interesting ways that I. You know, I'm not an author so I don't think about these things. I'm sure they've been thought about to death since then but like. It it just it has this way of of getting into these really. Complex both emotional and intellectual topics. In ways that you know is someone who's new to the concepts didn't feel was over my head, but also fell were. Extremely explored extremely deeply to yeah like this is a work of journalism. He violates several so many journalistic andor. but then again. You're GonNa like you say well. I'm not a journalist but the other hand is writing a novel, but these are also real people. These aren't just characters that he's invented. An. Eat the I thought it was interesting, because as soon as I got then read watching I started reading about a Kubota and like I didn't realize that in cold blood was like literally the first true crime novel that was ever written and like. He's Kinda. Blazing this trail like nobody's ever done something like this. Try To sensationalize and capitalize and human is and and I, I wanNA excuse some of this behavior. Just because well. No one's ever tried to do something like this and connect with something like this. But also like I. Don't think the film ask you to to film. Dislike presents information about this person in his background. Let's you make. You know like there's this really great line where Harper Lee is trying. You know one of his friends and I thought that was also very. To, find out that like. Did you know for example that the Bennett Miller the director of this film Dan Futterman the right of this film and Philip Seymour Hoffman were all childhood. Friends know in exactly the same way. That Harper Lee was childhood friends that Train Chairman Capote is in the killing, not mockingbird just as a fictionalized name, and like I thought this like this. fucking film is so Goddamn Meta, about people going coming together years later to finance and produce this film in the same way to like Harper Lee and Capote or boost in each other and helping each other out and their writing careers, and at this moment were Harper Lee starting to? Really question about you know like his moral and ethical underpinnings and. She's asking him like you know. What is your deal with this guy? Why are you doing this and he? This is why it's so complicated. Right because he says I feel like me. And Pete grew up in the same house, and in one day he walked out the back door and I walked out the fronts. And I thought that was such. I don't know if that's a real lime. Because that's other Meta thing about the the the movie that we need to talk about, but like that's such a great way that like. CAPOTE's kind of literary drifter gangster like he all right, yeah. What Peter said like. like like what Peter said about killing that the family. that this like he was looking this man, this nice man, and I was scaring him, and I felt ashamed and I was crying, and I felt that way right to the moment I slit his throat. I feel like that's what they would say about. His dealings with Peter like this is a British man is like a brother to me. He could have been. been a lover It was like I wanted to save him like a saved myself, and I felt that way right up until I left him at the Hangman's Gallo and then went on to try to live the rest of my life and I think he was approximately successful, living the rest of his life as Peter was swinging at the end of that rope. Because the matter is like Shit. It doesn't seem like Capote ever recovered from this experience I. This is the last novel. He ever finished Yup and He drank himself into an early grave at fifty nine so. Does a great job depicting that to along the line, you can sort of see him progressively drinking more as this this thing goes on, and he doesn't enjoy like there's a specific shot, and this is why Philip Seymour Hoffman is so brilliant. There's a shot a couple of shots actually but on an airplane for he's being served another drink, and he takes a drink, and you can see the feeling of disgust on his face is not like he's enjoying what he's doing here, but he's drinking. To Mask all of these feelings. He has and these dilemmas that he is struggling with. Yeah and it's just like me and he He does violence to himself like he puts himself needs predicaments where he lies to the person that he's trying to gain the confidence and trust of and then when the person you know, reveals I knew you lied, and I don't care I just would like you to be with in this moment, and you know Truman can't say no, so this ridiculous scene where he goes out and flies to be at the execution, and he's drank himself into a stupor, nece hotel room, not answering phone calls, and you see like every single wanted these decisions like he tries. You know it's like when his boyfriend asks him like. What are you doing to this stuff? This is just a book. I'm writing. It doesn't matter and then when Peter Aston like you know. What do I mean do you like? What is my story? Mean to you? What do I mean to you? And he tries to tell him the truth from that like he's just torn and all these different positions and And I don't know because like he also talks like About in cold blood. You know I've seen this movie. Once I, did I did my my, my research, says an interested person into it but I get the idea that these drifters had a rough childhood, and that you know they were kind of like passed around, and use sexually, and just really confused and torn up and want protected by society, and did a lot of desperate things as a result any one excuse some of that hotel, but like also. I looked into his background and it seems like he really exaggerated some of the abuse. He felt that his mother's I bet about I. I just don't know and also. He's not exactly a fabulous. He doesn't just make shit up, but I think it's widely. Suspected that he put a lot of spin. His subjects and I wonder and I. I read a lot articles to suggest that this movie puts a lot of spin on the You know in cold blood writing process like. where? Did he take kernels of truth and twist them around the get Peters Trust, and also like I in some of that confusion, because it's like I wondered to Peter did the same thing like some the shit. He saying because he knows it a play with Kubota on. Are they using each other and then you know? Any of the day one of them swings from the end of the gallows in one becomes rich and socially famous. Yeah I think that's the crux of it. I in my notes. My my biggest question is who is Truman capote and I don't mean that from like historical context. Mean who is the man? I actually wrote that that that that who is day question mark. Because the film depicts two very different certainly different motives, but almost two different people within capote. Where the you've got the guy who is an extremely empathetic man, he's deeply empathetic. He understands the the things that Peter goes through his childhood on a very personal level. He identifies that and he maybe even falls in love with the man. Didn't you've got other character? Who is deeply manipulative and willing to do whatever it takes to further his own success, and that includes lying to his subjects that includes lying to his friends that includes making shit up constantly for his own profit and. I think the real answer is. To, to WHO IS TRUMAN? CAPOTE's both of those characters, and that's what makes it such a fascinating. Depiction of this character. Or this man, you know he's a real life. Yeah. It's wild like he's got this weird juggling. act where he's like self enabling, there's this conversation recalls his boyfriend, and it's like getting around. Christmas and it's says I you know a couple of months. He prize plan on being Kansas for a week. And now it's been couple months. It's it's Christmastime and you know he's like, are you even though he? His wife realizes that Shit. You're not even coming over Christmas. Are you and Capote's like? I'll be patient with me. Patient with me and. He's like well. I've got I've almost completely out a rope with my boyfriend. So now it's time to you like Fuck Peter over and be like. Hey, you know. I gotTA. I gotTA. Take care of something. I'm going to be right back. and. Then the title card says one year later right and Capote. Bain living lavish lifestyle with his boyfriend, and his friends and Pete is languishing in jail. He's never been back to see him. Defensively says Oh. I exchanged letters, but does he like you know like? There's a lot of things that I thought were just amazing at like. You know. Just want to do the things he wants to do, and he doesn't want to hurt anybody but the one the first thing is what much more important than the latter thing. And yet. He's also too much. He's also to empathetic to like some people could do this and just sleep like a baby, and be rich and famous, and go on with their life, and Capote's too smart, and to empathetic to let him south off the hook to go through to do the fucking mental jemappes gymnastics to use an abuse, a person like this for your own fortune and fame, and then just get on your life Dow. And he never did so no damn That's the thing it's like. You don't need to see the story of the last fifteen years, or so of his life at twenty or fifteen years of his life, because the end of this movie's trajectory is bleak and a title card I thought, said at all where it's like a quote from Capozza, says you know There's there's more tears shed for answered prayers than ever. There were for unanswered. because like what what did he actually want to happen? 'cause I almost thought I. couldn't you know like you said who is Kubota? Some of this stuff and act like when you know like Oh, I'm. He said the like this line crazy line where he's talking about the stay of execution that these men are requesting, and he says something like Oh my God. It's almost like torturing me. Yeah, if they. What if they if they get off? All happened nervous breakdown. It's like. There's this weird sort of self. Interested note to to everything. He's doing here which. Taints what otherwise I think would be a pretty A. CHARACTER WHO I would sort of respect and understand is sort of tainted by that I. Don't really know how to describe it. None did they do such a great job adjusted? Because again there's it's very hard to point to the script and say Aha. This is the moment where Kotze like you knew he'd done wrong or whatever, but the movie justice does all these jets positions like there's this one really arresting. Where capote's told Peter Peter like okay well, what's the book? Can I read some of it? I WanNa know like you know I. Just want you to make sure that people understand this. Dad Who's like I, have written into I haven't written anything I. Just I'm just doing my research. I know I don't have a book I don't have a title title, and then they cut the him at a book reading. He's reading big sections of his book in cold blood. Clear! All he doesn't have is the ending. And they juxtaposed with this Peter guy on death row, watching the the final prisoner that's like next in line the him and like like opposed as moral dilemma of like. Oh God. How am I going? GonNa, Finish this book? And how am I going to promote it? Versus this guy's moral dilemma of all my God? My Life is within the end of my life is. Within reach and it's insight and I also thought a lot about like. Man How fucked, it is the on death row, or to be led the your own death against what about like as a human like whenever I think in terms of dying like an accident or I got sick and can't be fixed the like. What is it like to be a perfectly healthy person in the prime of your life? Being led to your death, Jack Men are just going to you. You're going to be fine. You're not in any pain. You just going to going to cease to exist. And it's happening tomorrow. It's happening in five minutes. It's happening right the fuck. And Holy Shit the execution scene yeah. When they when the hood on you do it all it all hits home, right? It's like he didn't realize that this was actually a thing that was going to happen until that moment, yeah! Stating it's crazy. It is I feel like execution. Watchers should not be anybody's job description. Yeah, but there's this whole room of people who are there. It seems simply to just witnessed this. Other things like I feel I feel like the one of the thesis of the movies is like Capote, just had one too many moral bones to pull this off because if he'd ghosted Peter and just left not actually been and watched execution I kind of think. I don't know maybe not, but like I think the movie wants you to think that like maybe could have turned that and then gotten over. Over it, but him staying there and watching it, and then all washing over him like he says I don't think I'll ever get over it. He never did he never did so like he had that courage and integrity that like I can't stiff this old man or this man on the death. Promise you know like I I. Don't know why I mean. Why did he come back because I didn't know? Know, how this movie win and I really thought that's what was going to happen. He was going to like you know they're showing this tug. Until of this tug toll on soul, and that you know he was gonna make one last promise. He's GonNa break it and then he was going to be fine 'cause I didn't know how. Capote turned out I didn't know late life, and like how kind of. Of Futile and sat, it all ended up to beat impacted his relationship with his friends, it essentially like the his relationship with his boyfriend doesn't seem like it was ever the same, and they were kind of like always drifting distance, but never really broken up I really thought that that was going to be the end of the ARC and I genuinely shocked that he the. He kept his word Yeah I, mean it just shows the complexity of the man you know. I feel like there's a lot of A lot of times. Characters or people are sort of pigeonholed into one thing, and and that's the interesting thing early on in this film me. A you know there's a line about how everybody thinks. They've got him pegged when they see him, they hear him. They think Oh, I know this guy is and nobody's ever gotten a right. I think that's one of the things that him up so much. I think toward the end is that he never really revealed himself to to Peter even though You know you may very well loved the man he didn't. He was incapable of truly revealing himself to anyone because he so complex, and is only a matter of like. Being around him. Over time and seeing his actions. Can you really sort of get to an understanding which I think Harper Lee did. of WHO Truman Capote was because he so complex I mean and it's part intelligence. It's part empathy. It's part of self interest. It's all those things mixed into the studio that make the man that also keep you from ever really knowing. That I didn't amend, they really bring that home. Where just showed us how he doesn't get it? 'cause Harper Lee's working on him and trying to get to like what he what he feels about. Peter like glibly said like a glibly says like. Well, how can I be using this man? heartlessly the further my career and be in love with him at the same time. Honestly that that's what scares the shit of your friends. Kubota yeah like gasoline doing that. Yeah, that you're using them and using them for what you can get out of them. Don't really care either way. You're able to do it with apparently, and that's the thing is like, but he couldn't like. He sold this leg very tough and a Glib. That apparently didn't exist like it was something to protect this thing that ended up destroying him, but it did exist to I. Mean it's. It's not like he wasn't that guy. He's just. He's both of these guys I think the answer like who is drew capote. He's one of those guys at and try to underst because you're right. He's like a Rubik's cube and that he. He would assemble himself and present face. That would work like there's a scene where trying to peel this young girl and get her to up to him, and you can tell that like you know. She's picking up his misfit vibes, and he says something like you know you. People have always underestimated and thought they could read me based on how I look and how I sound. Invoice. That's. Not Like doing voices, I'm just like I. Don't I can't do this telephone. PODCASTS because I. think it'd be offensive, but It's just that I just can't do it so. He says that he he. He says that you could see like a change. I feel like he did the same thing with Peter when he kind of like you know. He showed he reassembled into the green face that of Rubik's cube to show the girl nuys reassembling into the of the blue face to show Peter all parts the cube, but just different sides he show to different people add like it's all just a rotating twisting thing that protects the interior. That so then people get you know all. They sees a Rubik's cube and think Oh. My God, how can I ever trust I'm seeing the final finish configuration? and and you know it's the end of the movie and the end of his of Capote's life seems to imply that all that shifting and fronting and posturing, and be you know like small trails of himself and others just just fractured him and the way that he could put himself back together. Also another underlying coldness is just the way like he popped up investigator and be like you know I don't care either way whether these guys get you know caught or the community heels or whatever I'm just here to tell the story and the investigator looks at him like. Well I do I. Do care and I do WanNa see and he's just such a weird. We're like you said that. 'cause I think that's what if capote was in his position. That's what capote would wanNA hear. Yeah, like Oh you're not. You know you're just dispassionate and you don't care either way and you're not gonNA. Put which is also a lie. 'cause Caputo Day has a very vested interest in juicing it up and making at sexy and all that kind of stuff sure. A if you're still using one of the big wireless providers this year. Have you asked yourself what you're paying for? Between expensive retail stores inflated prices and hidden fees. You're being taken advantage of because they know you'll pay. Inter meant mobile. 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Its story visually, but I think there are a couple of shots where Philip Seymour Hoffman. Really just shows why he's such an amazing actor one of those I talking about in the airplane when he's drinking, but there's another one when he's at the premiere of Tequila Mockingbird. And he's trying to walk the red carpet and smile. And for the life of him, he can't put on a convincing smile and I feel like that super hard to do as an actor is to smile without meaning it. and to struggle to smile and Philip Seymour Hoffman, just fucking nails that scene and I. Don't want to take anything away from the directing because they very specifically gave that shot a moment. But you know it's really Kinda on the back of off men here. Yeah I think is the minimalist direction. You what you're talking about is like it. I think it's a choice because the spotlight is on what the Philip Seymour Hoffman Izudin as Caputo I compare it to like so so Kentucky's got all kinds of caves, and you've got like all these privately caves, and you can go to or them, and all the formations are lit up in these like garage lights, these pink and purple, and it's all vivid, and it's supposed to like really appeared appeal of tourists and go see the mammoth cave, which man which is actually managed by the national forests, and the park, rangers and everything and everything's very minimal, an understated in the lighting, but it also. fucking a May! It's all because it doesn't need to be gussied up. It's fucking the largest cave system. There's like rooms in. They're as big as a stadium. You don't need the fucking light show to make people go holy Shit. This is something amazing. Direction like this is very mammoth cave direction. It's not diamond caverns or know like that. It's like it's like you don't just look at this man. Do this thing he's completely in. Disappears in the role he does, and and you know that's why. He's of my favorite actors in the master I mean he's a completely different character, but just convincing. Everything I've seen him in. He is completely convincing. It is also just as a precise performance because. You Know Philip Seymour is like. What do you think a natural baritone? It's got? This is easy to voices, deep rich timber voice, and he's doing this very soft syllabus Kubota, impersonation and it never wavers. It never gets muddled. There's never little bit of like you know when he gets like excited or angry or sad. You don't see it like he has that. Thank fucking dialed in a Scottish. It's gotta be. I thought that's the. And the some of the stuff he does to where like I, think that final five minutes. He gets Peter. what Philip Seymour Hoffman is doing where he's pissed away all the time. And then he finally is like finding the words of the things. He's always wanted to say Peter any last. Any opens up halfway through the first capote sentence. It's going to be like his work of art and the wardens like time's up. You gotta go. And like everything was on like. Phillips the Hoffmann's face when that was happening like this frustration and his resignation, and the realization of like oh my. God, this I've done this. I'm not a I am no longer a bystander I became an active participant and what is happening right now. Is that even unjust like You know you can say what you want about the death penalty. I'm not a fan but for this time I mean. Mean these guys were guilty as they did a heinous crime and they're getting you know they they They got fair trials and every appeal, and this is a as far as we say a just verdict, but capote's not liking it because he likes this person and he thinks this person could be me if I'd walked out the back door or or the front the instead of the front and. Manner couple moments like that like you said the smile was was a standout moment, but this these these small moments in the his reaction to the execution itself like if like physical fucking shock hit him. And, then those party scenes to that the juxtaposition of of the. Deeply emotional scenes with those moments talking about ripping his pants from scrotum to his ass crack like. He's. I found myself like struggling with this movie thinking they are really wildly depicting this character and then by the end. I wasn't sure if that's what they were intending or I wasn't understanding what had happened and I went around and I looked at. A couple of reviews for this thing and Ritz some wikipedia stuff out capote and I realized no. Actually this is exactly what I was supposed to be feeling the whole time. So they really nailed it on that level. I thought that that like the first 'cause I think that's really hard to do just like we talked about. It's yeah, it's hard for a Hollywood writer to write. A fictional song that's supposed to be a number one chart topper church, because that that's a skill onto its own, and the idea that you Hollywood writer going to have that skill necessary to pull that off I think it's also it's also very hard to portray a weirdly magnetic person who's able to hold court and T- inside a room of not just a bunch of Rubes, but like a wealthy social laugh maybe. wealthy socialites, intelligent people people have been to see like just hold court in the elite, these elite liberal establishments. It's really hard to do that if you're not the the the genuine article, the real McCoy right right right, but Hoffman does that you know and I thought that like the first the first thing that they were. He's holding court. He's talking about. He's doing all these names. Rodney's I'm at James. Baldwin famous, a black gay, civil rights, activists and very compass author And Phillips doesn't give a shit. He's using this man's like traumatic experience as a punchline. as as as a joke to ingratiate himself, when that this audience himself, a gay man who's got a feel a certain amount of oppression You know like His James Bond Goto as offers. I just want us to be dismissed as a problem novel. What Jimmy, you're a black man in love with a gay Jew in the south. It's GonNa be a problem. Ha like That's that same kind of thing where he's going to take a real genuine moment of like pain and uncertainty and a someone coming to him and friendship, and turn it into punchline to get. A laughter out of enraptured audience is that's the same impulse. It's going to destroy him, and he's power idea of being. Being who you are, it's like. If. It's hard to tell who you are how you'd be true to that. And I feel like capote definitely struggled with that. He wanted to tell him the store. He wanted to tell his own story of being very successful, socializing author and But at the same time, he was also this very different other person. How do you be true to the two different completely incongruous, have yourself. and. I also thought like is interesting like there's a scene in very beginning where a Harper Lee and he art going through to train to Kansas, and has this interaction with this? You know train porter. Who's like putting away his luggage? Yeah, and that that's like well. Maybe this guy was genuinely moved by Capote's writing in Harper's like. How Much Do you pay him? And I think. It's equally funny that capote would pay this guy giving his over the top compliment. It's also equally funny that Capote doesn't give a shit and he just playing along with a bit like Oh. Yeah, sure I paid him. What was the giveaway? Which one is too much? which was alive like? I just. There's like a dozen little scenes like that. Just the movie doesn't tell you how to think you just a symbol information, and then when you see the configuration increasingly becoming more and more questionable and horrific. Like, it's not going, you feel you're seeing this man navigating his life and direction of his friends, reaction of his confidants, and then juxtapose. Yeah like there was one real jarring scene where he went from like talking to Peter and really relating to him to him, being at a party and his laughing and being the life the party and you're like well. What is what is serious? This guy Y- other than own. Reputation rise that only thing he values. And I did I did come away. I think with. A less than flattering impression of the man but also. A certain amount of respect. There's is I'm conflicted I'm conflicted about who he is, as as he probably was about who he is. While writing in cold blood put. Yeah I I. Still Don't know exactly how to feel even though I've read basically entire wikipedia article now. Know so much about like the aftermath of this an how it. Just totally changed him. The I'm really curious to see because. I know I kind of want to read in cold blood on another has been a couple of film adaptations that I'm kind of I don't WanNa fall. Go into a day. a a whole here like I haven't seen breakfast at Tiffany's until last Christmas accessibly wanted me to watch it and I'm like Oh, yeah sure I don't mind. It's you know one the great movies. It's got this like everyone talks about this legged Super Racist Chinese portrayal that Mickey. Rooney's doing. Yeah, check it out, but like I kinda want to see more of this stuff like I. WanNa see like novel. The everyone like everyone as it's being written like. Caputo saying yes, is the best thing I've ever written and is going to change the world, and then like an add an editor reads it and he's like Oh my God. This is the best thing I've ever read. It's going to change books written like this. That's pretty incredible. I. Kinda I want to read about that So the other thing I wanNA talk about like this fiction versus nonfiction also understand that there's some liberties were taken in the adaptation of this was based largely on a bio biography called Caputo, and also you know some of Capote's personal recollections about working on in cold blood, and in cold blood itself. But I've heard that this movie takes a little bit of liberties with that official account. But. They, usually really pisses me off in bio pics I really like ours God. Damn, why don't you often the truth is just as compelling. Why couldn't you find a way to better adapt the truth but this I almost feel like it's an artistic choice because it's. Doing what Caputo is largely accused of doing it in cold blood like these assist essentially a true narrative. He's punching the dialogue to it. Extra connects. He is maybe embellishing description or three to really put your mind in a small town that you know a person for Manhattan's never been, but it's like exactly how they imagined in some in some way and I thought. I thought this is really jumped out at me when we first meet Peter. Right like he's this really. good-looking brooding person, he's got amazing art skills. capote offers aspirin for his his crushing pain that he's INS. Headache is. soul-crushing existentialism, who knows he takes the aspirin eater, choose them up and swallows them no water the I'm like there's no way this guy can be real, right. He's using all these like hundred dollar words, and I like I, start things like okay. Peter like that was based on the Capote Peter that then is then been filmed with the actual movie Peter. And I thought that was interesting. Because it's, it's all part of the kaleidoscope like what is true. What's not true about the man about the movie about the process about this movie? And I've got a fascinating rattling frustrating Oh. Yeah me, too. I did not go look up any interviews with. The director of this film so I. Don't know what if that's part of what the thinking was going into this. if that was intentional or just sort of an emerging thing that happened. I haven't because again the the. Seem so Meta it's like hey, let's make. Let's make a movie about childhood friends getting rich and famous at the same time and help each other out as we were childhood friends, and our rich and famous. We're helping each other out right, and then it became like well. How much how much further can we push it? You know sure. It is interesting to me. to go back. I guess to Capote's. Sort of odd P skated core I guess of who that man is. That he describes Peter as an intensely lonely person like there's one line where that's kind his impression after first meeting him. And I think. It's interesting in the context of Capote's sort of hiding who he is, and and almost feeling proud about like that line. He says people you know thought they had me pegged. They were always wrong. He almost that's almost said with a bid of like. He wants to keep it that way. He's proud of that fact. Something like that, and then he talks about this. Peter Smith being intensely lonely and not being like one of the core. Issues of his character. You say the same about Truman Capote I think someone who hides themselves. Someone who's much of an enigma that is is complex, almost intentionally doesn't want anyone. To get in there, sort of seems like on the face of it to be intensely lonely person. Even though he surrounded, you know by the socialite there was a quote. I read in Pity article where someone was talking about him and said that he was it was interesting that he was someone who was trying so hard to get into this world that that being the ones the world of the socialites. They were trying to get out of I remember who who was. He's trying just to get in as they were to get out and it feels like there's a sort of tension between. who he was and who he wanted to project to other people, and that cause in intense loneliness him, which is what made him identify with Peter and I found that super fascinating. You know you could do that to yourself. And be conscious of it and still continue to do it. And what causes that like internal, Rubik's certification of you in the first place where you don't feel safe to present your true self to the outside world like what all I think, it's a lot of people assuming things about you. Yeah, and it's like Oh, that's another thing. It's like my God like a man who looks and sounds like that. Clawed his way into riches and fame, and being taken serious by society. That's a substantial individual Like daffy duck got elected to be President or pre-sz Christ. How do you get through the first debate but he dislike. Refuses to not let any to have anyone not take him seriously. every time they do, judge him he. He flips on him right. Yeah like there's a couple I thought there was they did a really good job of showing what I thought were a couple attempts to dethrone him from Co from the court he was holding in conversations, and you just instantly co-ops and continue on his point like as if the person was agreeing with them when they obviously weren't. They were trying to disagree and he's like exactly he'd restate the point, and then go right on with the narrative. The he had like he handled it like a like a a season comic handles hecklers. Shuts them down puts it includes them in his act and rolling it. It's amazing. This guy has also it's like. Man That's that's another thing I find interesting, because most people like Truman just don't appear like you don't hear about them, having the the the the struggles of conscious that he did. He's capable of doing all that stuff internalizing all those things and yet incapable of enjoying the riches and the Rodham Chur. He's like strong enough to do this thing, but not strong enough to like not think about the consequences I. Don't know maybe I'd better friends that would let in glibly ignored. The wreckage is causing people's lives. I like Harper. Lee was one of those I. think like. Harper Lee and Shit. What's what's his boyfriend's name? Because they were on again off again, yeah. He's A. He's a famous author playwright in his own right he's. Free. Dot Yeah something like that Yeah, both of those characters seem to. To Acknowledge that kind of dichotomy and him Not Trying to punish him, but also not like. the Greenwood played this man like when he realizes he's not coming up for Christmas. He's not really necessarily out to punish Capote ed, but he's also not going to be lied to. He's like okay well. We're talking now and I think that's. That's key right like what said early on, you got to know him your entire life to even begin to understand him. And I, think those two characters. The those two people are the ones who did. But also like you understand why people still you put up with him because he's a fascinating Harari. There's a lot of like moments of like humor and and I mean not not much past the mid the halfway point of this movie but there's a lot of like you know you can see the magnetism. The guy had despite Everything this. Despite all the reason, the reasons that people would just dismiss him on you know arrival He just had this powerful gifts in writing and oratory and vernacular to. make people for some this taken seriously. Are I think that's going to wrap it up for this movie Caputo next week. Jim and I will be back to discuss the two thousand thirteen film, fruitvale. which is interesting for a variety of reasons right now, but also historically it launched the very fruitful collaboration between Ryan Kugler and Michael. B Jordan they would go on to found the creed. Apollo successor franchise go on to superstardom Heights together in Black Panther and this is where their their their careers I mean Michael. Jordan's already a superstar in my eyes for his work on the wire, but this this launched their their adult careers and I'm really interesting. See I've never actually seen this one yet. We're GONNA go back and visit two thousand thirteen fruitvale station the next week's bald movies. Hopefully, guys get a chance to check it out before we do so you can participate in the conversation but either way. We'll see you next week until then I'm Erin and I'm Jim later.

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Ryan Seacrest Needs a New Instagram Bio. Any Suggestions?

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05:57 min | 7 months ago

Ryan Seacrest Needs a New Instagram Bio. Any Suggestions?

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Frankenstein

Conspiracy Theories

40:38 min | Last month

Frankenstein

"On january first eighteen eighteen after being rejected by multiple publishing houses in london the gothic novel frankenstein finally saw light. The publisher lacking tin hughes harding neighbor. In jones was a boutique outfit. They only printed five hundred copies in case. The book was a flop. The first edition featured a preface written by percy bish shelley who would become known as one of the most highly regarded poets of the day. He's also known. Today as the husband of mary wollstonecraft shelley nowhere in the book. However did mary his name appear even though she was the one who wrote it after being left off the first edition. Mary's authorship became a hotly contested subject. Publishers felt that if they credited her it would negatively impact sales. Most of their readers wore men. Men who believed a lady wasn't intellectually capable of writing a book let alone one as morbid and conceptual as frankenstein. It seemed far more logical. The story was written by. Mary's has been a literary superstar and master of the macab doubted. Mary did so at their own peril. And as the years passed more and more evidence emerged to support her. Authorship would it be enough to challenge the most hardened skeptics or we destined to remain a footnote in literary history. Welcome to conspiracy theories. Say a spotify original from podcast. Every monday and wednesday we dig into the complicated stories behind the world's most controversial events and search for the truth on carter roy and i'm only brandenburg and neither of us are conspiracy theorists but we are open minded skeptical and curious. Don't get us wrong. Sometimes the official version is the truth. But sometimes it's not you can find episodes of conspiracy theories and all other spotify originals from podcast for free on spotify or wherever. You listen to podcasts. This is our second of two special one. Part episodes on literature conspiracy theories today will explore the contested authorship of the novel frankenstein. The official story is that it was written by eighteen year old. Mary shelley but some refused to accept that mary was capable of writing the work. Much less the rightful author. They're more inclined to believe it was her husband. The celebrated novelist and poet precede shelly. We'll cover the origins of this sexist conspiracy theory and how it's still strikes doubt today. We'll also examine a similar conspiracy theory. That american author harper lee didn't write her magnum opus to kill a mockingbird instead many insisted it was her friend and famed novelist. Truman capote we have all that and more coming up. Stay with us. If you're tuning in chances are you've got quite the imagination for the dark dangerous and deceitful. Cool for podcasts. But not so cool for your safety for peace of mind consider. 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Coop like design reliable super always control for smooth confident driving. It's the sleek modern and safe choice designed with humans. I redesigned twenty twenty two mitsubishi eclipse. Cross drive your ambition. Learn more at mitsubishi. Cars dot com. Hey at the time of mary. Shelley's birth in eighteenth century england. Women occupied a clear and unequivocal role in british society being subordinate to men women especially those of modest means were often seen as little more than property i. They belong to their father than to their husband. If they disobeyed or spoke up their husbands possessed the legal authority to batter them but mary. Shelley's family was different. Both of her parents were forward thinking intellectuals not to mention literary powerhouses mary's father william godwin was an author editor and owner of the prestigious yet unsuccessful. Publishing house though. His business failed to prosper the academic atmosphere at home no such limits godwin hosted literary salons for the most esteemed authors of the era poets. William wordsworth samuel taylor coleridge and percy shelley. All of whom inspired young mary to pursue her own literary but no one had an effect on young mary like her mother and namesake. Mary wollstonecraft though. Wollstonecraft died from complications. Just over a week after giving birth to her daughter she left behind a veritable treasure trove of her own written works when mary began her studies. Her mother's diverse catalogue proved groundbreaking iconoclasts. She was walston. Crafts writings would also be in erie harbinger to the struggles. Her daughter faced later in life. Especially when it came to questions about young mary's intellectual aptitude and the authorship of her own books like most women of the era. Mary godwin wed at a young age to a charming and accomplished poet named percy shelley. Although mary continued her educational in literary pursuits she was by her new husband's shadow. Fortunately mary was given a chance to defy those boundaries when she accepted a challenge from her friend and fellow. Wordsmith lord byron in may of eighteen. Sixteen marian percy. Shelley rented an estate in geneva. Switzerland neighboring lord byron because of the unusually poor weather. The group spent most of their time indoors there. The poets did their best to out drink hand outright each other one night byron proposed that the pin ago story like many men. He'd likely express doubts that the eighteen year old. Mary could string together. A thought worth considering yearning to be considered an equal in the eyes of the men. Mary agonized over the flippant task until one night half asleep. She came up with the idea for frankenstein. The story follows a young scientist who creates a monster from the limbs of the dead. The creature comes alive but horror guilt in doubt played scientists as a result of his success using their earlier. Alcohol fueled discussions as inspiration. Mary transformed their fireside chats into fiction. Especially those concerning dr erasmus darwin. A real life scientist dr. Darwin was a hot button topic in the early eighteen. Hundreds his experiments with reanimation post questions about the sanctity of life and the bounds of religion. It was an unusual topic of interest for a lady at the time. But mary shelley was no ordinary dame when mary finally revealed the idea for frankenstein to her husband and byron. They were astounded in the months following. She devoted herself without pause to the stories completion. But that's when the real challenge began. Mary took her manuscript to several publishers. All of whom rejected it in response. Percy attempted to use his considerable influence to change their minds but percy's reputation as a world class. Poet wasn't even enough to sway his own publisher. Instead he secured the modest. I run at a smaller. Less prestigious company. Percy also decided to write the preface to frankenstein but this strategic move convinced readers that he had also written the novel. The book received modest reviews but it was an immediate commercial success. The first printed copies sold out in six weeks in fact since its publishing frankenstein has never been of print. Despite the book's popularity its author. Mary never received credit. Nor did she get the financial compensation she deserved. Which should have been a joyous occasion for. Mary was marred by sexism. doubt even of plagiarism. Well publishers were unwilling to credit mary. At first two factors later changed their minds. I the book was a bona fide. Smash acknowledging. Mary is the author now. Couldn't possibly alter that momentum if anything it would spark controversy bringing the novel even more attention seconds in eighteen. Twenty two percy shelley died in a boating accident which meant he was unable to confirm or deny his role after the publication so in eighteen twenty three. The novel was reprinted in a second edition mary. Shelley was officially credited as the author of frankenstein. What mary shelley had the deck's stacked against her she may have been the widow of one of the most prominent poets in history but it was inconceivable to the literary community that she could achieve the success on her own. And the sentiment. Harold in one of the biggest literary conspiracies of all time that a woman couldn't possibly have written frankenstein coming up. We'll explore. The theory that percy shelley was in fact the books true author you discover their practices seek their advice and let yourself become more vulnerable than ever before they have the ability to heal what the doctors can't or so they say hi listeners vanessa from the podcast series colts be sure to check out our four part special. 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The renowned poet percy bish shelley who actually penned the novel in eighteen eighteen when frankenstein was first published the great majority of the literary canon. No matter what. The language was entirely mail. In great britain this was a result of two things one a rigid classicism and to systemic sexism. At the time education was only available to the wealthy. Everyone else worked to support themselves from a young age. As a result around forty percent of men and sixty percent of women were illiterate until the latter half of the eighteen hundreds. The university system was only open to man. Meaning it was men who taught literature men who studied it and men who wrote the bucks or at least they were the only ones credited men also operated. Nearly all the publishing houses they dictated what got printed and what got read. Most men and sadly even women didn't even think females were capable of penning a novel and if they did most people had no desire to read them if a woman could so much as read a book. She was considered an anomaly to write one. She had to be extraordinary to most people. The odds of a woman. Drafting something like frankenstein. Were about one a million. The question was did this. Statistic apply to mary shelley. If you haven't read the literary classic it's important to know that frankenstein deals with highly abstract in scientific themes for most women of that era. The books concepts were thought to be too difficult to comprehend. Let alone adapt into a novel as an eighteen year. Old who didn't attend university let alone medical school. It seemed impossible for marriage of acquired such knowledge. Even if people overlooked marries lack of scientific background there was another detailed contested. Her authorship percy shelley's fingerprints on that book he wrote the novels preface and he was the one who got it published. So doesn't it stand to reason that he wrote the novel as well. Not only was percy instrumental. In the novels he was a master of the macab the sinister and the scientific he was also inexorably prolific for percy a man with dozens of published works under his belt panning a gothic novel. Like frankenstein would have arguably been a piece of cake. Not to mention percy shelley wrote what many consider to be the prequel to frankenstein seven years before its debut in eighteen. Eleven percy published. Saint irvine or the rosa cruzan. A romance it was the story of a solitary wanderer who meets a mad scientist working together. They unlock the secrets of immortality. The dark novel also explores the precarious balance between the scientific and the divine. It examines the guilt. Shame and ambivalence that occurs once that divide is breached if that sounds strikingly familiar to the plot of frankenstein. It's because well it is. It's virtually the same concept it addresses the same themes sand. It's even written in the same tone. What's more one of percy. Shelley's most famous poems titled mutability is actually quoted in chapter ten of frankenstein in the novel. The scientist victor frankenstein. Recites the poem before a surprise encounter with the monster. He's created frankenstein. Says quote man's yesterday may ne'er be like his moral not may endure but mutability in this moment. Franken stein is remarking on the transitory nature of life. And how the only thing one can rely on his constant change another one of the novel's principal themes the first public challenge to. Mary's authorship. Came from sir walter. Scott scott was one of the era's most esteemed novelist his story ins literary critics. Do we felt that parts of the story were contrived and silly. His review was largely positive but he also attributed the novel to perceive shelly which immediately discredited mary and set the tone for decades to come despite his esteem. status scott didn't bother to research. You actually wrote the book. He just made an assumption. Only men wrote gothic horror. Novels in percy shelley one of the most famous authors of the era had written the novels preface. It probably seemed obvious to him. That percy shelley deserve the credit since the review appeared in prominent publication. It was widely read and discussed by virtue of being a powerful and influential voice. Scott was largely responsible for spawning this conspiracy theory to begin with then considering all of this evidence. It may seem logical to suggest that mary shelley didn't write frankenstein but it wasn't that simple those who refused to believe that mary wrote frankenstein. Ignored several details. That separated her from her female contemporaries. Things that may have made her one in a million. Mary was educated highly educated and if call not only were both our parents intellectuals they were also authors. While her father's work was well received in literary circles her mother mary. Wollstonecraft was the one who is truly considered. Brilliant wollstonecraft had learned several languages translated foreign works into english in written novels short stories and treatises on human rights at a time when many women were barely literate. She proved that they could write just as well if not better than their male counterparts. It was clear from an early age that mary shelley had inherited both our parents literary gifts. She was a precocious child. Whose knows always in a book. She held her own among the brightest dolts in her father salons guest to ran the gamut from professors poets to scientists but her favourite pastime was writing stories. Some things she did from very early age mary shelley didn't just begin writing at a young age. She married young to she. Tied the knot with percy shelley when she was only nineteen for most women that would have been the end of their education but for mary she blossomed into something. Even greater percy also had a keen interest in science and technology and befriended prominent doctors and researchers as a result. He and mary spent hours discussing the latest revelations with insights from those putting them into practice that included topics like death. Reanimation and humanity's role in creating and sustaining life meaning. Mary would have been just as well versed in these subjects as her husband making her more than capable of writing a novel like frankenstein. What may have seemed unbelievable to her. Was the book stratospheric success. Whether it was the pros or the story itself it eclipsed the rest of the genre and with percy gone. She was determined to get the recognition she deserved. Mary addressed the issue in the book. Second edition in eighteen thirty one printing. Mary went into great detail about her inspiration for the story in the preface she wrote about her discussions of doctors and scientists. She mentioned the challenge. She'd accepted from lord byron as the years passed. Mary published books ranging from historical novels to science fiction. It was clear. She didn't lack imagination or ability but her critics continued to snuff out her claims to frankenstein. It wasn't until mary's generation began to out that the controversy surrounding her authorship began to fade female authors became more accepted as a result. Frankenstein was taught in schools and was discovered by a new generation of readers. Most of whom accepted mary. Shelley as the true author until sexism reared its ugly head again in the nineteen seventies. The women's liberation movement gained momentum. Certainly frankenstein was revisited and re analyzed from a feminist perspective cain to acknowledge the work of past artists feminist intellectuals deemed. Both mary and her mother pioneers of women's rights but this recognition brought renewed speculation about mary's authorship the first modern instance was in one thousand. Nine hundred seventy four when an english professor and editor named james rieger worked on a new edition of frankenstein during his research. Rieger became convinced. That percy shelley's edits to the novel were so extensive that he should be considered a collaborator and for the next twenty years. The debate raged on until nineteen ninety-six when scholar charles manson discovered evidence. That would finally put this conspiracy to arrest. Robinson was intimately familiar with both mary. And percy's work. He also had the unique advantage of consulting rare primary. Sources this included. Mary's original notebooks featuring scenes. From the frankenstein manuscript. It became clear that mary shelley was indeed. The original genius behind the novel but robinson also believed that. Mary received some help from her husband. He poured over the sections of taxed in percy's handwriting. But he saw clearly. How percy sections made up only a fraction of the finished work robinson compiled a fresh unique edition of frankenstein which hit shelves in two thousand eight. The volume proved that mary had conceived and written the vast majority of the taxed but robinson all showed all the edits and contributions made by percy shelley. To demonstrate this robinson's book was separated into two parts the first featured the original eighteen text of frankenstein. With percy's edits clearly delineated the second featured. Mary's original unadulterated manuscript. It was free of any edits but displayed footnote. Showing what percy had changed in the published version in robinson's introduction. He that percy road. Approximately five thousand of the seventy two thousand words. That's less than seven percent in the end. There's a lot to suggest that percy shelley might have written frankenstein but there's more to suggest that he didn't and charles robinson's discovery of mary's notes is literal proof that she wrote the novel so with ten being the definitive truth. I give this conspiracy theory. A three. I get that now percy. Shelley was heavily involved after all. He made a lot of edits and contributed original ideas. That found their way into the first printing. Though today this would be considered the work of an editor robinson himself leave. Percy should at least be credited as mary's co author. But i will agree with you. This conspiracy theory is a three out of ten one hundred forty years after mary. Shelley's debut equal rights movements gave to increased opportunity. Many felt confident. The climate would change for female authors in a society where women were educated independent even breadwinners. There was no reason to debate their literary capabilities any longer. Unfortunately some old habits die hard coming up. A nineteen sixties author bears mary. Shelley's cross if you're tuning in chances are you've got quite the imagination for the dark dangerous and deceitful cool for podcasts. But not so cool for your safety for peace of mind consider. Adt as the leader in home security adt provides twenty four seven rapid response monitoring from their nine owned and operated call centers. And they always put your safety and security i. that's why they're also taking all the necessary precautions to help protect everyone's health including contactless installation and using extra protective sanitation procedures with low flexible monthly payments. To fit your budget. Adt can help keep you and your home safe. Learn more at adt dot com. 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Less people would question a woman's literary prowess but in one thousand nine hundred sixty when harper lee's masterpiece to kill a mockingbird was published. it proved. that wasn't the case. The book was released to universal acclaim a pulitzer prize and a great deal of suspicion. Thus giving rise to our second conspiracy. Theory mockingbird wasn't written by harper lee but by lease lifelong friend and occasional collaborator truman capote this theory. Reportedly originated with literary critic and editor pearl bell. She is said to have claimed that in the years after the books publishing capote confided in her allegedly. He said that he wrote to kill a mockingbird naturally word made its way to the general public after all. They did have some reason to be skeptical before the publication of mockingbird lead only written a handful of short stories and still her novel was magnum opus. Following a small town lawyer who defended an innocent black man in the jim crow south too many it seemed impossible that someone so inexperienced could produce a masterpiece on her. I try lee was unknown in the literary world. Unlike her lifelong friend and successful writer truman capote by nineteen sixty capote was wildly successful and a high society figure in new york. He'd been literary sensation since his twenties. His early short stories appeared in magazines like the atlantic and harper's in nineteen forty eight at the age of twenty four capote published his first novel. Other voices other rooms. It was an instant bestseller. Then in the nineteen fifties. He transitioned into screen. Play writing before. Publishing the seminal novella breakfast at tiffany's about a country bumpkin turn society girl but when it came time for his next project capote was inspired by dark article. He'd found in the new york times a year before. Mockingbird was published in one thousand nine sixty a wealthy farming family known as the clatters was murdered in their rural. kansas home. The savagery and randomness of the crime shocked the nation and fascinated capote. He enlisted his friend harper lee to help him dig further the two drove to kansas where they scored an interview with the two suspected. Killer's lee assisted capote by organizing and transcribing notes as well as questioning the townspeople. Many of the rural folks were suspicious of capacity but with lee. They were at ease and forthcoming together. They outlined a clear and precise version of the events. The outline was eventually developed into capote's true crime opus in cold blood. There was no evidence at the time to suggest that mocking bird was a collaboration. But many wondered if lee and capote worked together on in cold blood. Perhaps they also colluded on mockingbird naysayers grew more suspicious when they learned that lease stopped writing entirely after mockingbird it was as though she wanted nothing to do with the fame of her novel while she did respond to several fans. She refused to address the building controversy over authorship allowing for even more conjecture but there were two additional culprits. That proliferated this theory. the i was sexism. The second was racism to kill. A mockingbird was honest and forthright when it came to the discussion of race. This was exceedingly rare among books by white southern writers mainly because the topic usually lead to backlash backlash against systemic racism bigotry and segregation in the south. By this time many americans still hadn't accepted the idea that women were capable of writing profound books. This was despite the fact that several other women had already won the pulitzer prize for fiction but for a woman to up end ingrain notions about race. That was considered heretical. In the only avenue for revenge was discrediting harley's legacy as for the rumor capote the story well. In this case. His reputation precedes him. For starters could podium was an incorrigible gossip and fame chaser according to his contemporaries. He took any chance he could to bask in the spotlight and he leveraged his success for all it was worth so if he did right mockingbird he probably wouldn't have kept it. A secret from the world lee on the other hand was so shy and withdrawn that. She never attempted to dispel or even address. The rumor s for lee writing a masterpiece on her. I try. This is actually not uncommon. There are dozens of authors. Who fall into this category including gustave flaubert with madame bovery. Joseph heller with catch twenty two and charlotte bronte with jane. Eyre among those phenomenal. I most are based on personal experience. Just as mockingbird was for lee in fact the book is based on her childhood. Mockingbird characters scout is a tomboy like lee been and scouts the daughter of a southern lawyer the same profession as lee's father scouts best friend however a boy named deal is based on capote which naturally lead to more speculation in reality mockingbird featured themes from both the child hoods leeann capote with both gifted precocious children growing up in a racist rural alabama. They were both outsiders in long to escape. The anti intellectual confines of their surroundings but the character is an events more closely resembled lease own life. in fact lee's father had defended to black men accused of killing a white shopkeeper although there was scant evidence against them they were still convicted in hanged the plight of scouts father atticus finch is nearly identical. It's possible that capote new lease story himself and sought inspiration from her childhood. But the evidence to finally put this conspiracy to rest wouldn't emerge until two thousand six that year. A retired history professor named dr wayne flint discovered a handwritten letter from capote the author had pinned the no to his aunt in july nineteen fifty nine a year before the publication of mockingbird in the message capote praises the manuscript of mockingbird capote related his enjoyment over the story and lauded harper lee's talent most importantly he made no claims of writing the manuscript himself. This would have been the ideal time for capote to claim authorship before the book had even gone public but he didn't instead. He praised his friend for writing a great book. Not only that. There's simply no evidence that he wrote or contributed anything to mockingbird no manuscripts. No documents no journals. This entire is based on one. Small rumour harper lee been literary one hit wonder but i have no doubt she pinned one of the greatest american novels to date for these reasons. I give this theory a one out of ten. I agree with you. It amazes me. That lee was able to knock it out of the park on her. I try but there are many incredible novelist who only produce one great work. Still the two collaborated on in cold blood. So i'll leave a little room for doubt. Which is why. I'll give this theory. Two out of ten conspiracies against female authors still persists today. They're likely the result of systemic sexism. Construct that persisted long before mary shelley in the nineteenth century. It's a battle that she and many female authors will continue to fight. But mary suggested that everyone is capable of conquering the conditions and limitations of culture and when people regardless of wealth race or gender or given the same opportunities they all maintain an equal chance for success. Sadly it took two hundred years for her to be proven rates Thanks for tuning into conspiracy theories. We'll be back next time with a new episode. You can find all episodes of conspiracy theories and all other spotify originals from podcast for free on spotify until then remember. The truth isn't always the best story and the official story isn't always the truth. Conspiracy theories is a spotify original. From podcast executive producers include max and ron cutler sound design by anthony vasic with production assistance by ron shapiro carly madden and freddie beckley. This episode of conspiracy theories was written by tony goodman with writing assistance by mackenzie more and lori. Gottlieb fact checking by anya barely and researched by bradley klein. Conspiracy theories stars molly. Brandenburg and carter roy.

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Storytellers: Harper Lee

Encyclopedia Womannica

06:41 min | 3 months ago

Storytellers: Harper Lee

"Hello from wonder media network. I'm jenny kaplan and this is encyclopedia. Were manteca today's storyteller. Wrote a legendary novel. That has become an american cultural icon selling over forty million copies. It's a staple of classrooms across the country and was adapted into an oscar winning film. We're talking about the incredible award-winning harper. Lee nelle harper lee was born on april twenty eighth nineteen twenty six in southern alabama. Her childhood in many ways mirror the life of scout the main character in the book that would become her legacy now was a tomboy who enjoyed getting dirty and getting into trouble in her small hometown of monroeville her father. Amass coleman lee was an esteemed lawyer who would serve as the inspiration for atticus finch. Right down to the way he talked. One of nells best childhood friends. Was truman capote. Who would later also become an author of literary classics. He served as an inspiration for the character. Dylan to kill a mockingbird now later wound up depicted it some of his work as well nell attended. Huntington college a local women's school there. She contributed to short stories to the school magazine. Both alluded to themes. That would appear in her later. Work one piece described the horrors of lynching while the other featured the legal case of eight black man arrested for gambling. After a year at huntingdon college. Now transferred to the university of alabama. She was strongly encouraged to pursue law by her father who wanted nell to follow in his footsteps like her older sister. Alice now was active in the school community and focused on writing. She wrote a column titled caustic comments for crimson white and she soon became the editor in chief of the school humor magazine. The rammer jammer now earned a reputation for speaking her mind and having a tell it like it is attitude that seemed ill fitting for a prospective lawyer. After spending a summer at oxford university after college now resolve to move to new york to become a writer. She worked odd jobs by day and wrote in her apartment by night. Then struck giving nell the start. She needed her friend. Truman capote had previously introduced her to a couple named michael and joy. Browne they came to believe in nells dream of becoming an author so on christmas nineteen fifty-six they surprise now with a check equal to a year's salary the accompanying note read. You have one year off from your job to write whatever you please. Merry christmas now got to work. She gradually built a small collection of short stories. After showing those stories to literary agent the agent suggested that she attempted novel started by writing which she called. Go set a watchman that manuscript evolved into to kill a mockingbird on july eleventh nineteen sixty. The book was published with the byline harper lee. Now later said she was afraid. Readers pronounce her name nelly which she couldn't stand to kill a mockingbird was an instant hit the book of the month club and the literary guild selected the novel for readers. reader's digest condensed it. It jumped to the top of the major bestseller lists where it would stay for over a year and a half. The book won the pulitzer prize a year after its publication around that same time. Truman asked nell to come to kansas with him to help. Research a murder case now. Fascinated by crime stories agreed to join him. Her months of diligent research proved to be invaluable for the project resulting in the book in cold blood published in nineteen sixty six and also later turned into a critically acclaimed film in cold. Blood was immensely popular in. Its own right. But the friendship between nelle and truman would later sour in part to truman's jealousy of nell success. His jealousy was well-founded after the nineteen sixty two film adaptation of tequila. Mockingbird nails fame just kept skyrocketing. She gained more and more media attention occasionally teasing at the concept of a second novel in one nineteen sixty four interview she said she dreamed of immortalizing the essence of the middle class southern life. She knew growing up a depiction. She often found overlooked. But as the years went by that novel never came now started turning most interviews down and her public. Appearances became more elusive. She returned to her hometown of monroeville. Half a century passed with no new book. Nell attended the local methodist church. Her book royalties helped build now and then she dropped into nearby english classes and occasionally spent time in a small apartment. She kept in manhattan in two thousand fifteen. The name harper lee was thrust suddenly back into the spotlight after the miraculous recovery of her manuscript. Go set a watchman. The novel rocks the literary world and gained mixed reactions from eager readers. Many were shocked that atticus finch often idolized as a hero of justice was now portrayed as racist segregationist though. The publisher initially depicted this new book as a sequel to kill a mockingbird. It's now understood that this was the first draft of that novel nelson minute to publishers. All those years ago nel said that she originally believed the manuscript had been lost. Her statement read after much thought and hesitation. I shared it with a handful of people. I trust and was pleased to hear that they considered it worthy of publication on february nineteenth. Two thousand sixteen. Now harper lee passed away at the age of eighty nine. She left her mark on the literary world and on most of our childhoods with the impactful story. She chose to tell her legacy lives on all month. Were talking about storytellers for more on. Why we're doing what we're doing check out our newsletter will monica weekly find us on facebook and instagram at encyclopedia will manteca special. Thanks to liz. Caplan my favorite sister and co-creator talk to you tomorrow.

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Jangal Wala Rasta . Shital Srivastava . IINK Podcasts . Episode 80

IINK Podcasts HI

05:14 min | 2 weeks ago

Jangal Wala Rasta . Shital Srivastava . IINK Podcasts . Episode 80

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MBA1405 Q&A Wednesday: How do I get a better work/life balance?

The $100 MBA Show

15:23 min | 1 year ago

MBA1405 Q&A Wednesday: How do I get a better work/life balance?

"Feel walk into one hundred dollars per your source for business truth every day with our daily lessons for the real world. I'm your host your coach. Your teacher Omar's in-home Tom. I'm also the CO founder of the hundred dollar NBA. A business training and community online and today's episode is a Qa Wednesday episode. Honor Cuny Wednesday episodes roads. I answer a question from one of you. One of our listeners. The question you want to ask just emailed me over at Omar at one zero zero. Mba Dot net. Today's question is from Paul. Paul and Paul Asks How do I have a better work. Life balance businesses good but my life is a mess literally. I have no time mm for household chores or errands and nearly no social life help. Thanks for sending in the question Paul. How will do my best to help? Because because this is very common for entrepreneurs for business builders we throw ourselves into our business because we wanted to succeed at all all costs in sometimes we sacrifice our very own lives and even just our environment we let the laundry pile up the vacuuming and the gardening and all that kind of stuff and we barely have time to go out to get some groceries e healthy on top of that we don't make it a priority to have a social life to schedule events to do things to meet people to make friends. Because we're hustling twenty four seven. I WanNa talk a bit about work life Balance Help Paul out and in the process also helped everybody else listening looking to make sure that not only are they building a great business but they're enjoying the journey in their life during that journey. So let's get into it to get down to business. Today's Today's episode over one hundred dollars. Va Show is supported by podium. 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Best of all podium puts her money where their mouth this they have a thirty day free trial with no credit card required. If you don't love it you don't pay a penny. If villa assert a online course sell any kind of digital product or start a membership site. Check them out and support the show by GONNA put dot com slash. NBA The eights Peo- dot com slash NBA. I WANNA start by saying that. Work Life Balance Allen's is not uniform for every single person it's going to differ for you and me and everybody else but obviously Paul's not happy with his balance his Sees that there are many things in his life that are being neglected. And we don't want that we WANNA make sure that we are taking care of ourselves our environment armament and enjoying the success or having. What's the point of building a successful business and having this great thing on our hands if our life is not enjoyable joy? I if you don't get a chance to enjoy the fruits of our labor. no-one says you have to be totally like balling out. But making some time to take care of life and take take care of yourself will help you even do better so I'm gonNA share some tips to help help everybody else listening number one. The first piece of advice is especially important. If run a remote team is you have to have weekends. You have to a lot some time for you to have some downtime. This includes you know having yeah Saturday and Sunday or two days of the week where we were in the world to allow yourself to catch up on life. Ok If for any reason this this is not possible and for most of it's possible we just gotTa work more efficiently than at least have one day off. There's this should be non-negotiable should have at least one rest day. I say especially for remote teams because it's easy to work anytime because you can work anytime so if you have no boundaries he's set those boundaries up you're gonNA find yourself working all the time okay so if you make it something that's important in your team culture where where we do everything. We try not to get our team members to work on the weekends. It's GONNA be enforced and everybody's going to be charged and be focused during the week now. Obviously there. There are exceptions. There are times where you're doing cruncher doing a sprint. This should be the exception and not the norm. Now you have a weekend you have a day off or something. You can't just say that's it. I'm good everything's GonNa be fine. No you have to actually plan something for those days. You have to make sure you make use of those days whether whether it's planning to go to a concert or sporting event or a dinner with your friends or even if you're staying home have a plan so you know that you're getting some enjoyment some relaxation whether it's GonNa Cook Dinner With the family and then watch a movie on Netflix. Or we're going to go to the park and walk the dog to Hong and ride our bikes. Whatever it is? Have a plan just like you plan work. Plan Your Life so you can get the most out of it next thing is if your businesses rock'n rolling and you're making some good money like pause kind of alluded to this is a good thing. Take some of that money and spend a bit of it on improving the quality of your life including taking care care of those things that manage your life like the chores he mentioned. You will be surprised if you check out the classified ads. If you put up on task rabbit or air tasker one of those apps how much it costs take care of some of the menial things that have bogged down and made you feel guilty. Likely meaning the house like laundry injury like the gardening. You need to get over yourself and try out for a month. How much would cost if you took care of all those things? By outsourcing racing. It gets somebody to do it for you. I know a lot of people are resistant to this. Because you know like myself. I didn't come with from a lot of money. My parents you know. We never had cleaners or maids or any of that stuff. We did the tours of the kids and and then you know my parents would chip in here and there but they worked fulltime both of them. But the point here is that we're not used to spending money on these things things but it can really increase the quality of your life and allow you to enjoy your weekends and enjoy your time off and not feel so guilty. I guarantee you'll be surprised is by the math. You look at. Hey how much would it cost me to hire cleaners. Come every two weeks to come clean my house top to bottom vacuuming laundry everything. Anything right how much would it cost of the gardener to come tidy things up every month or two some people their whole weekend shot because they're doing their gardening. Doc I find that this is especially important for any reoccurring. Tessa happen cleaning laundry even cooking. If you don't enjoy cooking and you you can't afford hiring somebody to come in and cookie. Some meals pre prepare some meals and put them in the freezer. This can save you a lot of time and headache and guilt and again do the math. Sometimes people don't realize wow I can get all this done for this much not bad so I would definitely look into doing that. One by one number three socializing we talked about scheduling events. If you are looking meet new people or make new friends if you've just moved somewhere and you just haven't had the chance to kind of make Happen you definitely should prioritize because this is your support network. We talked about this yesterday or I believe on Monday. I'm sorry on the must read episode but the point here is is that you don't have to really venture that far out. You don't have to be an outgoing person. Just go to a local meet up in a topic that you're interested interested in. It could be a hobby. It could be your work. It could be your business. It could be your specialty. It could be a marketing. Meet Up. It could be a dog lovers. meet up it could be something like that as is local to you. It's not gonNA cost much. Go there you meet some people you enjoy yourself and it's something to do get out dress up. Look good use bottle of Cologne. That's been sitting on your shelf. You know what I'm saying. So it gives you an opportunity to live a little bit and meet some New People. If you are trying to meet New People try to rekindle and some of those relationships who really enjoyed who haven't spoken to in a while. Who have a new spent some time or had a dinner with B? The person that makes that appointment in reaches out and say hey hey have always offered dinner next week or the week after that. Let's go bowling. Let's go see a movie. Something organize you have to make sure you make time to organize and you make time to actually do it so you may want to put some Tom your calendar. Organiz your outings for the weekends for the month and it's really cool and we've done this in our house which is great where you have your calendar booked for the next few weekends for the next few months and you're like wow. I got something planned. It's going to be fun you I look forward to the weekend. Look forward to the time off and the excitement leading up to is part of the enjoyment. A big thing I want you to analyze. Is Your work you you know you say that you are really focused on the business which is great. But how much are you really doing a need to do. Maybe you need to make a couple of hires to take. Something's off your plate. What are some things that you do on a regular basis that you wouldn't mind handing over forget about difficulty level or training them? Everything is trainable you can find somebody can do the work. You're not unique. Slow Flake people can do things that you could do to a learned this the hard way after stressing out all the time still learning this so the point here is is that maybe your work life balance is out of whack. Because you're just got too much on your plate and if you can afford to hire somebody take off some some things even just an ea or a virtual assistant. They can take care of a lot of stuff that sucking a lot of your time. That's not allowing in you to have a life after work every day like to finish work at five or six or whatever it is and by the way these are arbitrary numbers like times you can you can end work at two if you one or noon if you can make it work for your business. That's the beauty of entrepreneurship. You make the rules. You have to design them and then implement. I got more on today's episode before that. Let me love to today's sponsor support for today show comes from active campaign on a thanks to our sponsor active campaign who who makes a customer experience automation platform for growing businesses on their blog post teaching entrepreneurs and marketing teams. How they can win back their loss customers that I wanNA talk to you? About seeing customers lose some hard one interests can be demoralizing especially when forty percent of sales come from repeat customers. But if they haven't haven't unsubscribe yet business can win back. Even the most radio silent of customers with a wind back email campaign active campaign can help you formerly a Greek wingback email campaign to reminder customer why they were interested enough to subscribe to your list in the first place and that rekindled interest can lead to them buying from you again can't forty five percent of customers sent a win back email. Open your future emails. If you have a business that you promote and you want to set up this type of campaign you can head on over to active campaign dot com slash one zero zero MBA and start a free trial with Eurorail. You can get a second month free a free migration from any other other platform and two free one on ones where you can work with a member of the team. That's active campaign dot com slash one zero zero NBA. You have to be an active member in creating a work life balance this is just like creating your business. You GotTa Create Your Life Right. You gotTA plan this out. Now you got to execute just like your business or it's not going to happen simply is you have to make it a priority otherwise other forces your business your time other people's time and interest are gonNA shape your work life balance those forces are gonNA pull tug around you and just give you what you're giving right now. Make the time to schedule. Joel these events to outsource certain tasks to hire in your business to lineup. Load a little bit if you can. Some people are going to do a better job than you do. I'm not a believer of the narrative that the people that hustled the hardest or the win. That win working hard is important but also not sustainable to have your nose to the ground working in day and night for years you could do that for certain periods of time but yes are working smarter as a hiring people that are doing the work for you. I believe that you should hustler. Tesla especially the start to get things going to valley the idea to really get the income going in the money coming in the revenue but once you start building your team you WanNa have a sustainable stina model for life so you can grow this business and keep going for as long as you can and continue to be an entrepreneur even if you sell the business down the road so so see this as your way to maintain your business and your life how to pace yourself throughout the next ten twenty thirty forty fifty years have a long term view and this will start prioritizing that work life balance. Thank you so much for listening. If you'll share it with a friend tell somebody you're you're sending with right now. Share it on social media right now take a screen shot of. What's on your phone this episode and tell people about one hundred dollars ratio thanking advance for that means so much that you're sharing our show with your friends and family? If you have a question you want to ask for Cuny Wednesday. Just email me over at Omar at one zero zero NBA and will answer right here on the show just like we did for Paul. Thanks Paul for sending in that question before I go. I want to leave you with this. There are certain things in your life. I understand that are hard to control or out of your control rule we have obligations. You have commitments but we all have things under our control and if we master then we control them in plan them and we have have some ownership over the time we do have. It's GONNA permit in other parts of her life and other parts that we don't control people are going to start recognizing the hey. This is the the direction you're going in and let's help this personnel especially those who are close to in your life in your family. Thank you so much for listening. And I'll check you in tomorrow's episode. I'll see then stickier

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Authenticity

Maureen From Quarantine

29:52 min | 11 months ago

Authenticity

"Hello World this is Maureen from quarantine and today I am discussing authenticity in a world where we're in the midst of quarantine and wondering what's it all about. Alfie Kinda thing or in the words of Marvin Gaye. What's going on? What's going on really? What's truth fully authentically going on in the world and so it's got to be real? It's got to be authentic truthful Reliable and What's accuracy where? What are we hearing in the news? What is the truth? What is pure war and so authenticity begins? Let it begin with me. Begins with ourselves and the very origin of the word is mid fourteen. Siato antique authoritative duly authorized a sense now obsolete from old French authentique authentic canonical thirteen see modern. French antique and directly from Medieval Latin authentic from Greek authentic. Close original genuine. Love that genuine principle. And it's one acting on one's own authority from autos self so it's the quality of being authentic genuine and I love all those words that are attached was being genuine being truthful credible legitimate and valid and having a sense of Can you be trusted? And Are you somebody who I can count on. There's a certain quality that comes with people who are authentic. Can there is a genuine sense of being real? It's got to be R. E. A. L. and it's That sense of it's coming from from the the real. It's genuine from the author from the writer. Writing our own truth from our soul from our soul and indeed the history of authenticity to cart first proposed the idea of authenticity as following a moral inner voice. I like that. It's got so much to do with your morals and values of that inner voice. It's an inside job. And according to this voice individuals people must think and act responsibly. And they notion of identity before the card was that an individual's morality again morals and values. Their morality was developed through their status in society and from sources external of the body so That was according to cart back in the day. And today we are aligned with Shakespeare if you will to thine own self be true. I'll say it again to dine own self be true and phonies we have none of it. Have none of it with the phonies so They're out there so we must own our own uniqueness and be so tapped in that. We are indeed aware of the phonies. I love people with no guile which is why. I'm continuously talking about a character based on a true characters such as a character of loyalty like a forest. Gump I love children and animals because they have no guile and I've only known very few characters and movies and in books and in the real world is well with no guile and it's kind of cool to just steady a baby. They're just so true to themselves. Guile is No one beautiful soul. I'm sending out beautiful gorgeous energy to right now and so beautiful that it it brings me to tears because there's a love of this genuine soul and I see that and I understand that and I connect with that to the point where it brings me chills. It's from the heart and from the soul and there's no guile it's pure it's genuine. It's sincere and there is such a vulnerability to this character. I'm speaking of in two people. With honest. To Gosh authenticity. There is an intimate quality of vulnerability. That is truly courageous. And I truly Gravitate to honestly only that kind of person I. I tend to steer clear again of the others. That are the shallow ones so we can truly learn a lot from one another But we always have to be to our inner most sales and always ask our innermost self. What is going on? What is the truth? And then we own our own uniqueness. Oh a when we are in tune we who are in tune. We can sentence smell a phony and it's usually quite disturbing so trust those instincts and I raised my daughter to trust those instincts. When we sense a phony and she does she she nails it immediately. There's an interesting line in the movie breakfast at Tiffany's based on the novel by Truman Capote and the line is a phony. But she's a real phony in other words the the sole was intact and we've all been lost from time to time and I choose to say When the when that is the case that perhaps we were people pleasing And perhaps in this case this character was a bit lost and at the mercy of her environment and eventually we do find ourselves in a such as the case with those who perhaps maybe lost and at times feeling a bit phony or perhaps it is people pleasing and it's from that other place not a place of phony shallow but a place of great depth and care and concern and not to be linked with those disingenuous ones. So there is a difference and so important again to be true to oneself and the again to stay away from those shallow ones who know nothing of pleasing anyone but themselves and it's very important because a real people pleaser is quite vulnerable and authentically trying to grasp some measure of reality by by placing sadly too much power in those who who don't have the answers nor do they have any power whatsoever The chew power is in the authenticity and in the love so we mustn't let others define us and find the light within ourselves and run with it and they'll others will try to copy. They can never be you and others may as my mother used to say Copying is the sincerest form of flattery. So others may also try to stop one out of their own jealousy and malice and it's important to be aware of those cunning ones because they can be counting on their attempting to steal ones macho and so it's okay to be inspired by others. So long as the motives are clear and clean but always must be a truth. That rings throughout one's very soul and we'll feel it's gotta it's gotTa it's a feeling and this is the place where we feel real. R. E. A. L. It's real and our souls. No it in our Our hearts no it. And so Are we're happy we? There's a happiness when we're true to ourselves. There's a inner joy and peace and there's a quiet place of honest to gosh knowing and this is called authenticity and I think especially now in quarantine it's especially important to tap into that within ourselves which empowers us so that we are Better equipped to listen Clearly and not be at the mercy of all the varied information. We're getting from every direction and to get what is real and not easy to define right now but our souls know who we ought to listen to and who we are to Tune out and that's if we listen You know to our hearts our souls. In to that energy that life forced that love we will be guided authentically and we will know how to steer clear again of those who are insincere or hypocrites. And well you get it you get it. I was talking to a friend today. Who was badly hurt by somebody who had misrepresented themselves once more and I had to say you've got to let it go. We've got to let them go specially when we're being so badly hurt by those who misrepresent and in these times as I've taught my daughter we must not allow ourselves to be too vulnerable and we must keep it close to the vest as it were and this is another way of not only being authentic but being smart keep it cool. Can't let everybody in when we only surround ourselves with the truth of our hearts and cells. We're uplifted into this beautiful world is it's gorgeous gorgeous vibe. And this the place this is the place where the infinite possibilities exist and we carry on from here and we're authenticated and we're aligned with the universe and it feels great and this is not a group of followers nor from a place of false power as the the truth is that when one is shallow in. Their motives are only self-serving. There's not only zero power but this is the negative not to stay far far away from as it is truly destructive so we don't have to apologize for being ourselves and we can share who we truly are. That's authentic this will resonate. It'll become unstoppable energy. It's energizing to be who real and it's not from a place of ego but a place of love and wanting to communicate and to share and that's human and there's truth from one's very soul and that is when we are aligned it becomes This place of It's we're with the flow. We're really truly going with inner flow. And so they've got to have a great amount of sensitivity invulnerability ability when we are to be true. And there's great strengthen this and this will keep us strong and with a firm foundation on what is truly right and creative in this world So you are a strong as your vulnerability and if others want to take advantage of this. Let's remember there is a time and a place for our trust and we mustn't S. I taught my daughter Cast up pearls before swine is pledged to boss said. Don't cast your pearls before us wine and so it takes a courage to be true to oneself but be true be bold. Don't let others try and make compromise your morals and values because they are corrupt. They may hate you quote for it and that means that you are right on point all good people have a group of others who are not sincere and who are not authentic. Who Attempt to take their takers. They're not givers. They're not generous. This purity this goodness and when we're true to ourselves we become more empowered and eventually the shallow insincere ones they give up they give up and realized that perhaps they are like the corrupt file on a computer. Perhaps they have been corrupted to the point of no return and I I do not know and I can only wish us all. Well I send out love across the universe but I have learned. I WANNA raise my daughter to go in knowing that there is corruption and evil out there and it's important to discuss this as well into not be oblivious and so it's not a good idea to engage with this Energy that is out there. It's it's It's rather we want to continue on shining the light authentically and rather be true to ourselves than waste time engaging with nonsense there was that acceptance of this is life. Let's cherish it and we were able to find that place of laughter and of letting go I had somebody say to me once Can you talk about anything? Shallow and I thought I can I really can and I do and I enjoy that and I think it means even more when I go to the silly shallow place if you will because it's grounded in depth and authenticity and then that's where the comedy comes in so it's such a great gift to know oneself. It's such a gift to share this truth and to know wholeheartedly that this is from a place of love and never ever can be touched. And that's a cool thing to know that when we are tapped in again. It's quantum energy. It's lifeforce it's real it's larger. It's universal it's global. It's all across the world not in a tiny little group and a little gathering it's huge. It's glorious it's infinite and I adore again going to that place of There's a child like place that that I live in. And perhaps that's why gravitate to that that The child in all of us and the vulnerability and all of us and the beautiful I try to see. See all the the kid in all of us and that no guy onus if you will because there's beautiful character in that and in that sincerity and that there's something gentle and kind and I absolutely adored because it's it's power from a place of love and it's truly rare. I've only met ever. Maybe a few people like this and The sincerity is is to be cherished in one another so I have no patience for people who condescend to this or to others who patronize only to make themselves feel important and it's really quite sad to behold as they're not fooling anybody so Again stress this because the more authentic we are the More real it becomes and the less patients we do have four the phonies or the haters if you will or the ones who are disingenuous or those who can't quite take the trip and who are perhaps corrupt and again to raise the kids again in knowing this so it's like the song it's got to be real baby. It's got to be real and I love the song. What you see is what you get. What you see is what you get. Yes get real. It's a lot easier that way isn't it? And I know liars always busy running around covering their tracks. And so it's sort of a repressed depressed place that they live in Again some people are genuinely I obviously grieving and and for reason and this is not what I speak of It's that other place that is from The pretenders if you will out there and the impostors not the vulnerable ones but Those that think they have that power and their leading others up a corrupt half with their insincere agenda and this is the opposite of intensity so hang onto your authenticity your truth your purity especially now in quarantine and gather all that courage to be chew to oneself hang on to the heart and the soul and all of the Things were going through in life and in the world. I love comics and comedy as I find that this cannot be faked and when we're making others laugh the result Sorority and they're laughing and you can't fake that it's not from a place of insincerity are hurting other. So it's from that place of love and it's a place that cannot be faked and I love that about comics comedy when a person is funny one only has to exist. And there's a there's a there's an energy it's it's beautiful and there's great joy in seeing the humor in everything so long as nobody's getting hurt and not everyone understands this and this is why comics enjoy talking with other comics as there's a depth and sincerity that others who are not funny cannot understand and this is why comics and people have great depth. Have no patience for the shallow insincere disingenuous nonsense in the world. There's too many people in need of truth in kindness in the world and I know for myself. I don't have time for that nonsense. It's it's there's there's too much pain in the world and it makes me angry and this is where I do. Make the anger work for me as it is authentic in me and it is real as an example. When I pass a homeless individual I get angry at what's going on in the world and I'm so moved to my core and I I have to take some kind of action. Be At giving something to the woman who's alone on the street with her child And and to drive away and see a baby eating or drinking on the street because of something I just gave them. It's just it's it's to me infuriating and I want to do something and take action and I don't have time to talk about nonsense or deal with idiosyncrasies in the world with disingenuous on Balderdash if you will and so I can take that passion. I've learned to do it and I hope you can too and make it work for you because it's great great energy its life force. It's passionate its power and its life enhancing in generating more and more energy. And so I right with that. I speak with that I. I ended up changing the subject from shallow. To what really matters and I think that this is where the comics I clicked to with comics and comedy. Because it's got to be grounded in that if it's not coming from that place of depth it's not funny or there's not the the person's not funny if it's all This silly silly place of not really understanding and I believe this is what the great comics do the great philosophers and basically all people who are authentic and genuine and sincere and kind and gentle underneath all that I found most comics even with all their bravado. There's a gentility underneath all into sincere sweetness and and a thing called authenticity. Great movements take place through a great art and comics are An example of that they've done Events for the homeless in singers. And they've they do vans even now during quarantine in praise of the People now who are on the front lines for us and so it's about celebrating those and how cool we've seen and nurses and doctors step up and be so authentic and say this is who I am. This is what I do and they step right up and they get to it right there on the front lines authentic chewy heroes all over the world and how cool that we can celebrate these great humanitarian great artists on a global scale these are the true artists the humanitarian that we can celebrate and these are the authentic ones and so there is plenty of authenticity in the world and the rest are merely attempting to guide others up again some crazy nonsensical garden path that goes nowhere and accomplishes nothing so when one is truly tapped into this beautiful energy this authenticity in the world that is aligned with one's very soul and is authentic they're now giving giving not taking giving it's giving it's a generous thing giving something to the world it's global it's it's a huge life enhancing nobody's perfect and we all make mistakes and the like but when we're real we can't help but understand if one is not capable of heart and soul one cannot be authentic as one has no conscience and therefore is only interested in the in the game and I say have none of that game life is in session here and so here's the good news you cannot fake being real being sincere being truthful being authentic eventually people do catch on so nobody is perfect again when we're real we can accept this and we embrace it and we can embrace it in others and it's sadly that I have noticed that. Not a lot of people can take this trip when ones being real. I've even had people again when I've been speaking about laws. Great loss and tragedy say to me and they look me right in the eye and they go. I have no idea what you're talking about. And thus I stand again without judgment and yet I'm called to communicate from this place of truth is I don't know any other way to be and once you've experienced this kind of dove there's a piece there really is a piece that comes after walking through all of these storms With being true to oneself and it is a power that I know indeed. It's not me but it is a gift from the universe and I choose to stay tuned into this beautiful gift. This life force that is infinite and all love all love and it becomes a matter of okay now. What can I do with that today today? What can I do and to be genuine to be real and being real? It's not outside. It begins in side only there and it can never be copied. We can't pretend and it's not as huge great outdoor thing out there. It shows up outside eventually when one is honest and it does feel good. That's how we know it's real because it feels good feels right and I know I do all things from this place in the heart and the soul and the way to know that it's real is it really feels good down in your soul down in your soul in the words of Van Morrison Great Song and dance from this place. I danced from the music in me. You got the music in you and that feels good because it's real. It's authentic and I laughed from this place and that feels good. It's the ones who are pointing in watching and rather than dancing and laughing that you take the beet because they wanna point at you and wonder how you're doing it and analyze it in scrutinized and you can't you can't fake it you just do it and they'll be bullies. Who Attempt to patronize or condescend. Or maybe make fun of the way once dancing. But if you're dancing from the soul I always told my daughter. Don't let anybody stop you from dancing. Stop you from singing. Stop you from laughing especially when it's coming from your soul. Those who patronize are condescend to the real human being I I don't I don't understand that these are the ones who at times they Mesa look people up and down in in that way in that way we all know what that way is and it's all on the outside. It's all on the outside and they attempt to make others feel bad so that they might feel better about their on lack of sincerity and so. I- indeed raised my daughter to go into this world. Being aware of these quote acquaintances their acquaintances. They're not friends And that's the the they're just not. They're not true friends they're acquaintances. True friends are rare. Indeed for those who are really real and so as a writer if one's not writing from this place from what is real. We won't buy it but if the writer or the artist or the actor is coming from a place of real even under imaginary circumstances we will buy it because there is a truth there nothin' tests and this shows up in our very character and in the art of being a human being it's got to be authentic and so Meditation helps one to get real honest with oneself. I find the Moore. I meditate the more maligned with myself. And if I go off course I've learned now through the years I've been on this path many many years to bring it back bring it back and then paradoxically it does help to get out of self once. We reached that place by being of service and by helping others and That's where we can. I know I find myself When I met my true self I really feel truthful when I'm really concerned and caring about others I find most most truthful indeed and it's to the point that I- I cry because it does hurt my soul Because I genuinely do care and I don't say that in woe is me plays but a place of okay. Now I'll do something Through these tears because I moved to that place and then it becomes. Okay step aside. Yes step aside all naysayers. I'll condescend irs patronize we. Who are authentic. Do indeed fine one another and I believe now in quarantine when I think of all the human beings that are out there helping others. I'm just overwhelmed with a sense of depth and that enables me to take action and this isn't to say that it's not a disingenuous to be in pain or in grief now it becomes from this sincere place of grief and loss and pain. We can stand strong in who we are and fine one another. So long as one is grounded in this bonafide place of love like Coca Cola. The real thing. So here we are in quarantine the real thing and we find each other. And so I'm sending out the real thing the real love all over the world here from quarantine. I thank you for listening. This is Maureen from quarantine signing off just for now

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The Day We Met Lewis Capaldi

Elvis Duran and the Morning Show

1:59:07 hr | 2 years ago

The Day We Met Lewis Capaldi

"I'm Dani Shapiro, my new podcast family secrets, just wrapped up its first season and it's filled with stories about the secrets that are kept from us secrets that we keep from others and the secrets, we keep from ourselves if you've been waiting for the right time to binge them all now's your chance. Check out the episodes of on with bonus interviews and stories and keep an ear out for the next season in August. You can find out more at family secrets podcast dot com. And you can listen in subscribe at apple podcasts, or on the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. And in this corner, syndicated talk radio. In the morning show. I see. Yes, you have syphilis. Hi, kim. Believe on the radio. Glad you're here across the country. Millions are listening. I'm going to try and sell out or later. The sound of the Trump, you'll be saying those ought here. They come. I won't say. We films impressive that obviously, you haven't done it because I still sound like crazy. They Elvis Duran and the morning show. Welcome to Thursday to Thursday today. Right thursday. Good morning, God's warned. Hi, danielle. Scary. Give me some music. Okay. You've got so that. Yeah. So anyway. Yes to both. I'm sorry, if I'm gonna seem a little intellectually elevated today because I, I went to the theater last evening and I saw a show that has put me on a new plane of intellect and awareness. I mean it's a classic. Originally a literary classic. And now brought to the state. I went to took see lies. You loved it was a lot of fun. They're a little smarter. Welcome to the Dan. That festive. Love to be on a beach right now. Welcome to the day. We have lots going on. We have a guest today, the name during down anywhere show. I don't know what his name is. A Louis Capone. Oh my God, he is so fabulous. If you haven't seen or heard him perform interviews music Lewis capacity not only doing his own thing that we love. But other artists are using playing his music, the Jonas brothers. They're playing music. He's playing Jonas brothers music. I'm hearing rumor he may rip off Jonas brothers again today. I hope I hope so loose Capote's great that we have loose Capone news. We also have a one thousand dollar free money phone tap on the way. We've got lots to go do today. So let's go. Do it. Hello, denise. Hello. How are you? Lighting. Welcome to the show. You are the first caller of the day. Denise. What's up with you? Oh, nothing. Just go into work. Join the day all of that. So earlier already enjoying the day. Yeah. She sounds happy. Yes. I love you guys. I just love you so much your show. Thank you. See, so does like yeah. We have two people. You're one is the one. Somewhere. We don't know where my mom. Denise. What do you think the headline of your day will be other than this moment right now? Of course, I mean what he's trying to get done today where my pay is going to be wonderful since I talked to you. Okay. So I am so happy, you know, I'm looking for a happy, happy day. I guess if you're not looking for a happy day, you probably won't have you're going to have what you kicked off her show happy, and we're going to send you an Elvis, Duran shirt since you are the first caller of the day. Okay. Can you ruined it for me? We're ruin it will ruin it beautiful day, Denise. Thank you. She's great. Yeah. She's really her. All right. Hope everyone in that mood today. We'll start with you Gandhi in that mood today. Yeah, I am. I actually happy. But what I'm going to say is going to sound like it's not happy. But I am happy. Okay. I just want to say if you decide to hate tweet me, you're not allowed to get mad. If I read tweet it, and then people yell about it, okay? It's happened yesterday because somebody said something to the effect of, like you suck and you add absolutely nothing. So I was like, oh, cool re tweet, and then all these people started yelling and then the guy had enough to be like, how dare you post that. Well, he's opposed to for exactly what the bottom line before you post anything about anyone beat happier. Sad or forward moving or backward, moving understand your posting that, right? You made the decision to do that. So that's your, your things ninety ninety pupils to cure head. And do I have relatives apologizing to me? It was great. Larry going on it. Don't let don't. Let the bullies bullies. Hey, froggy. What's up with you today? You know while I love my little dog Rex. I'm glad everybody doesn't greet me like he does yesterday. I came home from work. He's so happy to see me, he piddles all over the tile floor. And I'm thinking peddler. Imagine if people in general acted like dogs, if you got excited to see somebody who started wetting your pants, it would be a little weird, right? I think we should be allowed to win our pants. Sometimes I'm, I'm so excited Lewis capacities coming in today. I'm gonna I'm gonna piddle let your painter peddler on the roof. We all agree, piddling, okay? But no poo poo. I'm so excited. I put myself. So yesterday, I got to see the circus Soleil that is playing by city field. It's called Luzia Lucia actually used a z with it. So, so good. It's one of my favorites and I've seen a lot of circus. This is so good. So if it comes to you, if the big ten comes to you, you need to go see it, there's water and Elvis. I thought of you because there's this one part with his hot guy has long hair, and it goes in water, and he's half naked. And he's just holding on at this Ranga Neela for thinking of me it was ridiculous just because of that I have to go see you guys have dressed water. Right. Let's see ya. Yeah. We love search associates or so. Cool. All right. Let's get into your horoscopes. All right. Producer saint. How you doing? All right. Let's see Kappa corn in a setback in your career. Don't worry about it might be leaving you in distress, but turn that distress into optimism about your future. Your day isn't eight Aquarius. You've been waiting for a particular gift to come your way. Let it go. The best gifts come when you least expect them days nine, I new Mandic encounter has been on your mind. Do not get into that situation that can damage your current lifestyle, your days, seven Aries soon, you'll find other seeking your advice. Be there for them in their time of need your days, eight hey Torres, overworking yourself. Has you feeling under the weather taking time alone is going to drag your head out of the cloud, your days a seven. Ooh, geminis someone close to you a struggling with money your support and comfort is critical during this time your days in eight cancer. You have had enough of being the life of the party, low key activities are going to create calmness, that you didn't know you needed your day is a nine Leo new gossip in your community is tempting you remember not to exaggerate, others, personal information. Your days. Hey Bill, you're gonna receive something special from a family member or friend, celebrate accordingly with positive energy, your days attend libra. You're struggling with a close partner in your life. Release unwanted physical energy with combing activities Jesus. Hey, Scorpio artistic motives, are crowding your mind writing them down can help. Move your dreams along your days night, and Sagittarius your receiving some upsetting news thing prepared for every outcome. We'll help you in receiving this your days. Seven, and those are your Thursday morning horoscope. Thank you, Sam. Thank you. Now as we get into the three things you need to know from Gandhi. I gotta tell you, you don't want beat the being that is it is the seventy fifth anniversary of d day. I've, I've find it so important that, you know what d day is all about, you made no sort of what it's about. And I as I do, but you know what I always love to Google and learn again. So go do on d day, it's a very, very important day in our history. So into the three things we need to know Gandhi, what's going on. That was my first thing did I take the first thing. Go ahead. Do it again. Well today is the seventy fifth anniversary of the d day invasion. Happened June sixth, nineteen forty four. President Trump is going to be speaking at the Normandy, American cemetery memorial, which is the final resting place for nine thousand three hundred eighty eight Americans who never returned day, just how bad or some of the roads in the nation. We've been driving around. Right. Hit a pothole and you think this is it by karston. Well, now General Motors wants to test out new airless tires that will not go flat. They haven't given specific. Details on it, but they say if this happens it's going to create a lot less waste, and you're not going to have to worry about these potholes. And if we get them, it won't be until twenty twenty four, but how core airless tires will I blow? I don't know toys. And finally, a great story of revenge, and this is going to make everyone happy. A guy named Frederico hill was standing in line at a fried chicken restaurant when he heard the woman behind him, tell her kids, you should only have one piece of fried chicken or you're gonna end up being fat like that guy in front of you. So what do he bought all the fried chicken and took it home made her wait thirty to forty five minutes while they cook new chicken good. I love the challenge. Yeah. I think it through the wrong with people, you guys ready for Thursday. The morning kills official Twitter accounts, we Elvis terrain. Ratio answering tweets for people across the country, Elvis, Duran in the morning show, sponsored by state faller, and protect your car and home with the one that's here to help your life. Go right state farm. Talk to an agent today at one eight hundred state farm. Why are you mad at Nate? Danielle is fighting with Nate. Why wait wait is releasing a. When I say memoir this wall. I always have to say, look, you, you do spec save memoir. Okay. So he's that's me. Well, you say everything wrong, and I said, let me tell you something, where I grew up, I say, everything, right? So shut up. You ask me, how to say the word and I said memoir, and then your response was there's an R in there. Where you'll live Brody where you live. It's memoir. Memoirs make us right now. We're writing. Danielle. We love you no matter what you say. Even if you say it, wrong, and butcher, the word anyway rate has one coming out of those things. But that's a great memoir to read. All right. So I went to see Tootsie on Broadway yesterday. And it's just fun. It's just fun. And we had a great a great time. But what I did, what, what Alex did is we friend poached. Oh, that is the greatest thing in the world. Well, okay. So I may have to pay the price today. So a really good friend of ours. Introduce us to Bruce and Scott, so we invited Bruce and Scott because he took team. We don't really know each other that well, and so, you know, we're we went out and had a couple of cocktails before the show, and we're getting to know each other, you know what I'm saying. And then I got curious text from the friend who introduced us saying. Hey, so how was your night not knowing that we had gone out with them? So we definitely front poached. To me friend. Poaching it isn't as bad as it sounds. I mean it's not like we don't ever want to see that friend again introduced us. This is we, it was you, two couples and, you know, we had a good night out and went to see Tootsie. I encourage it because I can't be trusted to make decisions on my own. So if my friends have vetted someone, and I know it's a good person because that's a good friend. I'm absorbing the front, I think they may think you were trying to hide it because you didn't say hey, you know, we're going with tonight, do your other friends trying to hide it. We just didn't say anything. We didn't try to hide it. And she had something else to do last night. Anyway, so anyway, so we friend poach, but isn't a great meeting new friends. Okay. I think we're off to a really good start. Yes night, number one. I give us an a a night in the front poaching department. Well, there'd be a second date. I hope so. It was said several times. Hey when we all get together again in the blonde it was good. I'm trying to friend pro twenty year friends who Nike a monkey Russo. Oh, you can have it. Would like to have. Here's my thing. I never ever have a problem, people who become friends with mine, my friends, and then they go do stuff on their own, because, you know, me, I'd rather stay home anyway. There are a lot of people, I have friends that are like this. We all do who get mad if you do something with someone they introduce you to, because they feel like they, they own them. They possess them. All right. I'll tell you what. There's only one reason why it bothers me is because I know someone who had this happen to and that was it. They never saw the other person. Again, the other two became BFF's, and they left the other person out. Is it someone we know it's somebody in my family, and I felt so terrible for them. I was like this is ridiculous. I'm like you brought them into the loop. And now they don't even talk to you. So that's why I think I'm a little skeptical about it. Roading. What can food? No, it's the friend day. God. No, it's route what they did. I know. But, you know, you gotta let you gotta let nature take its course. It's not really your your place. It's there's it's their thing. People can be, you know, what's a whole. Yes. Thank you. Anyway. So speaking of holes a Nate. What do we plan for the show today? What are we doing well, Louis Capelli's coming in? I'm very excited for that have you watched some of his Instagram video? He's incredible. It would. I mean a true artist artistes, and we have people texting saying they're crying, knowing he's going to be here. Yeah. He's hilarious. And I have this thing where I don't know about you. I have a tough time with the Scottish accent. Why I don't know. So I'm watching it and rewatching it realizing how funny it is by trying to figure out what he's saying. Okay. Well, let let's, let's talk to him about. Okay. Let's say, hey, it's good to have you here lose capacity. Even though Nate doesn't understand one word you're saying, I have a feeling he's so talented he can speak to us in an American accent. So we don't even have to translate through the Scottish. Why would you want him to speak at any accent, other than the one he wants to give you because that's cool. If he can't. It's all the same language. Sowed. It's still going to be hot. No matter. I want you to be our guests, but we want you to speak in the accent. We choose. And what is an American accent? Not Danielle's because that's. Today. Let's go to producer Sam Samuel beautiful today. Awesome. So make us feel good. What do you have? Right. So we are bringing back brands the feel good. So I thought I would start with something very near and dear to my heart, my boobs. Oh, okay. I brought him my favorite bra and it is from the company called third love. So bras are usually overpriced women. We know this and they're super uncomfortable. Or they're straight up ugly. Which is why I love third love from a selfish point of view looking bra. Right. Thank you very much Elvis. Did you just take that off? I might we'll talk about this bra. I mean, do I need one so you log onto the site and they give you a test where you get your perfect profit size? But the give back part is incredible. They're partnered with I support the girls, which is a charity that helped provide bras and men. Menstrual hygiene products for women experiencing homelessness, no very important stuff. And last year alone they donated over seventy five thousand bras. So this company is legit. You want to support them. Check out third love, and you could get them by linking over at Elvis, Duran dot com, keyword feel-good third. Love third. Love feel good Elvis, Duran dot com. All right. I got it what you've been. Thank you, my boobs. Thank you. Thank you, Sam. Party. This is Elvis Duran and the morning show, twenty three and me, a great gift for your dad for Father's Day. 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The reason I'm talking about different people in our show experiencing different things in life. You're calling specifically about straight Nate and Johnny and journeys. They have been through right? Yes. Yes. So my son he turned four months this week. He's giving his open heart surgery this morning. And I was, of course Suber freaked out when we found out when you're pregnant, that he would need heart surgery. And then I heard about go Johnny and straighten it. And maybe feel so much better that they're doing well and, you know, their surgeries went well, and of course, you know, they're adults, but it's still it's reassuring to hear positive stories and outcomes when when it's your baby and your so freaked out. You should be freaked out that you're supposed to be freaked out, but, you know it at the end of you're going to be like, why did I freak out? Because you're mommy, right? Yeah. And I'll tell you this Brooke. It's going to be way worse for you right now. The hint for your son, because he's not going to know what's going on. I've had it done actually thirty nine years ago yesterday. My first open surgery, and that was back when they use leeches. So he's, he's going to be just fine. I mean there's medical science, has come so far that he's, he's going to be fine. He won't know anything. He's he'll be just fine. You'll remember you'll remember my parents are still erecting, and maybe if it was any look at all after after he wakes up, just like Johnny. You'll hear your little baby say how I ain't. Let's hope not. But, but, but look, you know what a you must be terrified, but, you know what you're going to be. And you put your faith in the professionals that they know what they're doing. And I do want to hear from you. I want I want to hear from you tomorrow, when you call us with good news. Okay. Yes. Sounds good. They're, they're hoping they can keep his test to close today, but they may have to leave it open and finish up tomorrow. So we're hoping. That's not the case that will be wait. Hold on a second. When you were a kid that used a leeches on you. Well, I'm just saying doing airy Pennsylvania. So I'm just saying, I guess that's the medical science and open, heart surgery, and particular Brooke for, for infants has come so far in the last forty years, and I've, I had a forty years ago, and I'm fine. I'm just fine. So today if they do it, it's going to be a breeze. It's going to be a cakewalk for them. So that's the point. I'm trying to get across is that it was so long ago you know, they, they didn't know anything back then. You know, and now, now these doctors brook, they are they know exactly what they're doing. They know exactly what they need to do. Just trust them, and you're going to be just fine. And he's gonna be great. What's your son's name, Brooke? Aston util Aston. We said, hollow, and we dare from you. We dare from you tomorrow. Okay. Sounds great. You guys, God bless you. We'll talk to you soon things. Okay. Bye-bye. Yeah. You know, it's true. I mean it seems like every year you hear of some new miracle that they've come up with in the world of surgery or whatever. And you're wide who these who are those people. I mean, I feel so stupid there. I remember when my girlfriend Jamie's twins were born and one was like, three pounds. And one was two pounds. Oh, I remember them being in the incubator and they were the tedious, Dainius thought, and I cannot believe that they are where they are today and how great they are. And they're you know, they're they were the weight of a cheeseburger. Cheeseburger, five put these people are amazing in the hospital that take care of their amazing. So let's hear it for the caregivers. Let's hear the doctors, the nurses, everyone that work in the hospital are end are in Dinh's being, you know, they have all those letters, the h h h h. PA's NP's. We love them all. But thank you. Thank you for keeping us alive. In happen happen, then Danielle. All right. Are you ordering something on Amazon, not look? You know, the crap you get a crack in the screen of your phone. So I can't push anything anymore because it's cracked so I can't push turn my phone on. It's ridiculous. Daniel has edged today. What's going on at the MLB network? Aired a clip of Arab back in ninety eight. He was twenty two years old. And he basically predicted the future. Here's what he said. Day without getting Jennifer Lopez opening date without you can't understand what she's saying. They said who's your dream date? He said Jennifer Lopez. And it's so cute because he posted it on his Instagram page because obviously is not embarrassed by it. So I found this really interesting before Chris Hemsworth landed the role of Thor in the marvel movies. He had lost out on big rolls, GI Joe, the wolverine x-men movies. He was actually running out of money. Then when he went to the audition for Thor. He's said the audition when so badly, he didn't hear back from producers for months, but his brother Liam got called back for a bunch of additions for the same role. And in the end he got it and not Liam and he said, with a little bit of sibling, sibling rivalry that set in there. But anyway, he got it if you're a hot actor and you're hot actor brothers, like taking your hot actor apart from you. Yeah. I can't imagine what life is like have to fight them. Right. To not actor brothers is just, you know. So there's an online petition to get marvel to shoot a new ending to avengers endgame. They want certain is something to not happen. Say tell you what the certain something is a if you check out my Twitter at Daniel minero, then you will learn what it is just so, you know, it is a spoiler alert. Okay. Here it comes you ready for this baby. Shark member? Baby shaq. Here's what's I'm sure, you know what it's out. But goes. But here goes. And now it's becoming an atom series for free schoolers. This song is more than two point eight billion views on YouTube. It had a twenty week run on the billboard hot one hundred. And now Nickelodeon is turning it into an animated. These. And you're going to be seeing that all day today and J lo flashed her spanks was arriving for her kids graduation. Okay. Here's the deal. We all wear spanks here. Even elvis. Is that the one you got caught in yesterday? This is the one that choked me yesterday. Go ahead. The honest, it makes her more human. We all have flaws. We all wear spanks. Give me a break. Oh. Thanks very spanks. The these are the man's paints that usually. I almost lost all oxygen intake picks her almost killed yesterday. Joe Jonas accepted an apology from ex-girlfriend Taylor swift, you guys remember I forgot this happen. We're going to talk to them on Friday. Remember over a decade of go. They dated for three months. And then they had a phone call, where he broke up with her over the phone, and she told everybody about was she finally apologized and said, maybe that wasn't the cool thing to do. So we gotta talk to him about that, right? Go what long ago but I can't believe it's still a story. Come on. And Sheeran is getting his own brand of ketchup from Heinz, it's called Ed chop. The bottles are very unique. You can get it at Heinz edged up dot com tastes the saying, I have no idea. Ed is her head and everybody Stanley Cup final going down. Tonight's game five for that Braxton family values lip sync battle also. And you know that book that I've been listening to on audible little fires everywhere. It's becoming a Hulu limited series. It's going to have Joshua Jackson Reese Witherspoon and Carrie Washington in it. And I just finished it yesterday. So I'm just telling you instead of giving you something to watch on Netflix, go. Listen to this on audible little fires everywhere. You're gonna love it. Perfect look at that Daniel talked about it twice on our show. And now it's turning into a TV show did that it was me to say about that. It. Mommy, I'm hoping that we can talk Lewis capacity of doing this many. Dotty daddy shark anyways to lose capacity is going to be coming in performing. You know he's done. I know at least one Jonas brothers song. You can see Louis capacity doing it on, on, on Instagram or whatever YouTube and they did one of his songs. So I mean they're here tomorrow. I wish we had all here today. We'll, maybe he kinda head for that. Maybe he should leave a message for them and then you could play it for them to do that, that took a great idea. Hello, sarah. Welcome to the show. How are you today? How are you doing well, doing well, yeah, I'm great. I just wanted to call in because I wanted to thank you so much for always supporting our troops. I'm a navy way and longtime listener. So I wanna say hi and thank you. Thank you. Thank you today, such a very, very important day. The seventy fifth anniversary of d- d day storming of norm in Normandy, in the beach. I mean I don't know. If did you ever see saving private Ryan, that did you perceive moving Sarah awhile, yet? It's been awhile, but I think I saw it when a long time ago it's probably the most powerful opening to a movie I've ever seen in my life. I mean it's, it's frightening. And they, they do their best to recreate what happened when they stormed the beach and the beaches. And it is just devastating to think that our troops went through that. And with over ninety six hundred Americans buried right? They're still where they died. It's like oh today's such an important day. I know you call to be happy and I didn't mean to turn turn your frown upside down. But, you know, you talk about how he support the troops and the troops families. There's, there's never enough, we can do for them and appreciate just brightening our days on a daily basis. Thank you, Sarah. Thank you so much hope you have a beautiful day-to-day take care. Okay. You to the own them. Well, hell on a second. Wait, wait, wait on one minute. You know, I don't know if you've seen these eminence Eminem's and skittles, the red white and blue Eminem's and skittles, at the store, have you seen these? I don't think so not yet you're about to these. They have these limited edition Eminem's, and skittles. They're red white and blue candies. As a matter of fact from now till August, thirty first when you buy a pack a dollars donated to the USO to help entertain the troops. I mean, they're pledging hundreds of thousands of dollars to do this and Eminem's skills. Red white and blue candies celebrates summer by some and because of them, not only are we going to donate another one thousand dollars a match it to the USO. We're going to give you a one thousand dollar cash gift card to spend any way you want. Absolutely. Amazing. I really. Came only go spend it any way you want two thousand dollars calf cash gift card for you and because of your phone call and your thanking us for supporting the troops, a thousand dollars going to the USO high like that. I love it. Thank you so much Elvis. No. Thank you. Now, what do you have someone in the family that serving? Yeah, my husband, he's in the navy. Wow. How goal is that will that mean serving to Sarah? Hold on, on the way. Thank you for listening. I love that. Awesome. Can you imagine having a job where what'd you do today? Well, we gave away thousand dollars and we thank the troops hating have those down. We really have job is a great job. Speaking of people with great jobs, great t the Fred plan. What Baber song illness? I love it. Is your be costume already for, for the, the big day? Well, yeah, I mean we all I guess we running the vote yesterday. So we wanna see which because two one was because two A or B. And then I guess that's what I'm going use tomorrow. When I go out night, pollen is uh some pla-. What is the plural pollinate? So Daniel gone independ- sexy. Yeah. I'm hoping sexy be one. I know we put a poll out there for the listeners. I don't know. Was there. I've been sexy did win definitely one also. Because once he put it on its knock it off. Yeah. Yeah. We gotta keep in mind, your nipples. We gotta keep those hidden I smashed them in yesterday. So I can smash them in tomorrow. Maybe a little pasties if you go to central park dressed as sexy and your nipples, we're hanging out, you will get a citation you think so. Yeah. For indecent exposure to littering, not for pollen ising. Gosh. So tomato. Listen. It tomorrow be dressed, as a sexy be with his. Eraser. Nipples protruding. Yes. And he's going to buzzer on central park and sit on flowers pollinate that show everyone. I can't wait does so exciting so exciting because I we got this done till you know, I'm really excited. Okay. Thank you. Great. Hey Allie gold is here at high alley. I what's alleys official title? We got to give you an official title. Your social media czar. I like it something happened to Allie. On the Elvis, Duran show Instagram account. I never knew this was a thing. Tell everyone how it started in one. So I posted a photo yesterday on the Elvis, Duran show Instagram of toddrick hall, 'cause he's amazing and he was in the studio and as replying back to listeners, an Instagram, blocked me saying, I was typing too fast, and they think I'm a robot. Why you type that I guess I guess I was just so excited once I so. So if you interact with people on your Instagram, too fast, they think you're a robot and they shut you down. Yeah. So I called up Mark Zuckerberg and I told him he made a mistake. I'm sure very well I didn't know that was the thing. No. I didn't eat within when you said that scary, he was he was busted on Instagram for doing some, they have all sorts of large, tried to friend requests, somebody, and it says we are blocking this action because we think that you're we want to make sure you're not a but apparently, I've started friend requesting people to quickly on Instagram and it said on it. No, there was a speed limit. I do notice that if you do you answer to many people back, they will stop you. You can't answer. Yeah, there's a certain amount you can answer. And then. Alley. Yes. All reply back to listeners, because I want to know what they're up to and stuff and yeah, they blocked me from doing it. Yup. Froggy. I had to have it on Twitter responding back to tweets too fast. And they said you responded to as many as you can respond to for now. You have to wait because they thought it was about easing. Don't understand the rules and regulations. Yeah. I don't get it. All right. So did they turn our account back on? They turned it on, like thirty minutes later. So, by the way, if you're commenting on anything at Elvis, Duran show on Instagram. That's alley. Say, hey, great show. I mean once I get lender pup-. We can thanks for listening. Thank you. Thank you. Action blocked on people in their blocking us left and right. So I don't know if you heard earlier, but Gandhi got into a Twitter fight yesterday that tweeted something someone hate tweeted me. And then I got paid as a matter of Gandhi, or you or anyone. If you post something on Twitter, you know, you may have to pay the price for it, people, people may not like you for if it's your account. You can't tell them how to run their account you can block, if you don't like it cut his his block. I'm going to block Gandhi right now. Elvis. When I'm having sex is interesting about, please don't turn the lights on and see my stomach. I'm gonna go home and stuff my cabbage naked even drunk, I was just like stupid Gandhi, just want to put out there that forgiveness is not one of my stronger traits. Starting your day different. Lifelock with Norton security is the identity theft protection and device security unit against cyber threats in today's connected world. Join lifelock dot com use promo code Elvis for ten percent off your first year that's promo code Elvis for ten percent off. Louis Kepala is coming in. He's performing for us to talk to him about my homeland Scotland. They don't want to go visit, I've never been cool. I know nothing about my homeland, thank you in my home peeps. Anyway, he's coming. He's performing tomorrow. Jonas brothers here. Everyone's talking about their documentary. That's on Amazon prime. Yes. It's everywhere. I just got in trouble by what because I said, the Jonas brothers are here, Friday and I was told. Oh, no. You have to say tomorrow, when I said, what, why can't I say same thing, no, no tomorrow, south to say and I don't Brody I've said worse and I've gotten in trouble for worse things I've said wrong. They're, they're here, Friday. I knew exactly what you were saying, then we'll shit next Friday Friday's a Friday, November fried assembly. Twenty feel about this call. Let's go talk to our friend, Mike. Mike, are you there? Hello, eighty now. Where do we start? I don't even know where to begin. Where do I begin? What a great title for a book. Mike, tell everyone what you've told us. Well, I just had sex while listening to owning show. Okay, one there's mixed emotions in here now. So you were having sex, while we're what are we talking about while you were at that moment? You know what I'm saying? I don't know probably far. It's or something. Here's here's, here's my point, if you if you were having sex, and you could tell us what we were talking about, then obviously, what we were talking about was more important than the but obviously your sex was better than us. So it's kind of like putting like sexy music on in the background. Not at all. I could never. I could never have sex to this. Can you imagine like you, you're having a good time, and all of a sudden you hear Danielle, and I just cackling? Donny. Talk about a limp noodle. I just couldn't do it. All right. So how long ago was that, by the way, maybe like a half hour more? All right. Well, thank you. Look, you know what we, we gotta take listeners. Anyway. We can get them. Yeah. So if you're out there, having sex or robbing a Bank, whatever you're doing make sure you have us on. We appreciate it. Is there something we can send Mike? Towel hurt at t shirts. We'll let you ruin. All right. Well, thank you, Mike. Thanks for having sex. Do the morning shift. Hold on one second. Now, do you prefer morning sex overnight sex or any sex anytime? I'll take it when I can get it. Busy. You know, you've gotta take okay? Hold on a second Mike kid, you said Mike shirt he'll ruin it himself. Having this conversation with you the morning sex morning sex. It's a total totally different beast than nights. Or drunk sex. It probably sets the day with a nice tone. You know we have morning sex. I don't do you know anyone who cannot have sex, unless they've had a drink or two. Oh, god. I hope not AME to hope you know, I, I know some people like that. I don't think they've ever had sober sex never morning, sex for them. Then let's get up early. Oh, see. I consider morning when you're still in the bed like you haven't even gotten out yet, you're just there just happened. What street name? I love morning sex because I think it sets the tone for the day. You start the day off doing the best thing ever. Right. So it's not like you have something to look forward to because he done it, but brushing teeth, I. Yeah. I always do brush my teeth, I go to the bathroom. Look. I understand. I understand the brushing your teeth thing, but that doesn't that sort of take away the spontaneity it's the spontaneity. It is it is not spontaneous. If you brush your teeth, I have morning breath, I cannot concentrate on anything on, on what your mouth near my house, anyway. Exhaling all you want, as long as it's not near Manoke kept a bottle of listerine next to the bed, because that's creepy Lena spit everywhere you're going to spit it might burn certain things. I said, don't try to worm your way out of this L toys, put an hell tweeting wasted like heavily like, totally intoxicated. Can you perform being male? Yeah. Sometimes, yeah. I think we kind of get ripped off in that in that department. The morning. I mean I wake up at three thirty no one's gonna wake up and want to get that going get away from me. I think it's great. It's almost like they're half asleep sex. If I tried to do that. Get kicked out of my house, anyway. So morning sex. I need to try that sometime soon. I hope more people are doing it right now. That's right. People are doing it. I hope so. Are you doing it right now in looking at us like, oh my God, you're right? You have cameras in my room a thing. No, I'm doing it there. Watching me weird, right? We do have a one thousand dollar posh Mark free money phone tap on the way as I said, Louis Capote coming in a little bit Jonas brothers here tomorrow. We got lots to do. I get into Ghandi's three things you need to know right now. What are they today is June sixth which makes the seventy fifth anniversary of the d day invasion? President Trump will be speaking at Normandy, American cemetery. And we were talking about this earlier nine thousand three hundred eighty eight Americans are buried there. They never returned that story. Coming out of New Mexico, Elvis, a place you visit all the time. Twelve firefighters are injured in pretty badly after an explosion at a fireworks storage warehouse. We love our first responders. It's a very sad story. Two of them have suffered some life threatening injuries. We haven't gotten enough that yet I will update you as soon as we get those and finally a man of North Carolina just one that. Three hundred and forty four million dollars Powerball jackpot home, how he got the numbers he got the numbers off of a fortune cookie, where it says these are your lucky numbers. Yes. I wonder have you ever wondered if those numbers are lucky will this guy? Yeah. I hope he goes back to the place. He got that cookie from any gives them a little something. I think he probably will. He says he's going to donate, some he's going to give his brother some money. He's going to buy some new jeans and he took the cash option which is two hundred and twenty three million dollars. He went to hundred and twenty three billion gonna go buy some new, gene by gene, stole. Yeah. The fortune cookie numbers always wondered that we don't maybe we should try those more clearly, all right? Like you said, a one thousand dollar posh Mark free money. Phone tap is on the way you know, talking about our our relationships in the about being a third wheel. You know, when you're the third wheel on a date. It's not good. If you're with a couple of sometimes it can be, but usually, you're like I feel like the third wheel or maybe, maybe your best friend is dating someone who you detest you hate. I don't Ghandi's can we talk about it? We can talk about it. Can we not be specific role? Is it? So when you know that hate their best friends boyfriends, a significant other of mine. So I hate diamonds raising your hand out there and I know SAM's got one to want to get into that. I'm gonna talk about how we can we can live in a world with avoi- from personal Instagram account. 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Anyway, you want on the way Megan another one thousand dollar posh Mark free money to phone tap tomorrow morning. Can't wait. Bring it on. Also tomorrow, Jonas brothers will be here. But until then we have Louis capacity he's performing for us. We're so excited guys hilarious. Have you seen his stuff on Instagram because you mentioned it. I had to go check. It really is amazing. His music. Unbelievable. He's a true artist, but he's a fun guy. Never met him. I can't wait to meet him. He's a fun guy. He's a visit mushroom. Daniel our girlfriend Gandhi is going through something that we've all been through from time to time. How yes look you have a good friend, you want, you want them to be happy. You want him to be out there dating someone? That's cool for them. It is what happens you hate the person. They're dating is this ever avenue down? Plenty of times so it's okay to talk about this. Yes, we can talk about. Okay. I really dislike my friend's boyfriend and it's really tricky, because I know my friend is just so in love. So I don't know what to do. And at first, I thought, okay, maybe it's a meeting and I'm being a brat. I'm being possessive. I need to be more open minded to the person. Every one of our friends who has met this boyfriend hates him, too. So what to do? Do I tell my friend? Hey, your boyfriend really sucks? Or do you just let it go because I know I'm gonna lose this battle, you. So what's weird here is gone, you never ever hold back. I think it's so weird that your best friend. You have not told his best friend how you feel about. The boyfriend because I know how much my friend is in love with this. Tough one. It's a tough one said, she'll probably lose her friend if that she does. I think I will. I like I just know how the relationship is. I know how smitten my friend is. I think they're going to get married. And I'm like good. This is going to be part of my life forever. I guess you doesn't know how to be treated, then she must never been in a relationship with. She knows that he is her. It's turkey. And like the boyfriend's, not even nice to the family, which to me is the biggest which not you. It's not a problem. You have. It's this person's bad person east. Yeah. Right. Hey, Rachel are you there? Yeah I'm here. So you're going to the same thing gone going through, you hate your best friend's boyfriend. You argue with them all the time. So they know it's no secret. They know how you feel about him, right? Yeah. No, we do argue all the time. He always thinks he's right. It's very annoying. So keep pulled me aside the other day, and she goes, why don't you like him? And I was like, I, I know you just got a relationship. He is a rebound. He is not your forever. And she was like, okay, and she goes, well, can you tell me what you don't like about him? I look at her, and I go he crashed your brand new car, and he did not pay you back. Let's start with that. No. People crash cars, but, but overall, he's just a not a bad guy, not a good guy. No, he's not as I and the reason he was riding her car is because he doesn't have enough money to put his car on the road. But I mean like whatever I can still look past that. But the other day we all went out, well, not the other day it was in December, we went out for Christmas dinner being to my girlfriend's we all bring our significant others. You know she brought him. And at the table, he randomly started on buttoning his shirt, and we're like, what are you doing? And he's like Mortimer needs to join the party. And we're like who he he has a skull on his chest? It's Pat, too, and he like randomly on buttons and says that he needs to join the party. Helping to run the other. Derive, I'm starting to like this guy. He and his friend Mortimer. All right. So. Question. Does he treat your friend? Well, I mean is he good to her? Sometimes, but not always he's let me start off. Also by saying he's still married. He hasn't got a separation from his job living together. He and his wife. No, they're not living together. But they, he says he doesn't have enough money to separate from her. I don't know if that's true or not. But yeah, he's still like I said technically with his ex wife. He does live on his own, but he also has like anger issues, too. And she said that to me before and I'm like, well, what are you still doing then she I love her? I do. I just see does not have the best choice when it comes to boyfriends. Here's the thing. One of the many things the each your friend, you know she has decided through through all the bad points. This guy carries. She likes him. She she there's something there. And even though you feel like he is bad for her. He's bad for everyone, including his skull Mortimer. Saying you, you, you, you have to like you have to back her up and she's got older. She has to learn her own lessons. You know, I mean I know you wanna be good friend wrong. Maybe. No, it's, it's just. You don't want to really you. Don't wanna read lose your right? That's the thing too. I feel like since they started dating in her hung out, not a lot anymore, and I don't know, just heartbreaking, because I feel like I am missing one of my best friends, and it's I just, you know, I don't feel it can't with him. That's really what out another way, looking at what if this guy was great guy, and you really did approve, but you still saw your friend less? I mean you still be upset. You've got that would be totally fine. I wouldn't understand that. I just want her to be happy in the end, and I want her to be treated correctly happy. But if she's not treated correctly, that's kind of the issue. Be careful too, because they'll say you're just jealous. You're just jealous mind. You're no. If I don't know. It's, it's me, it's our other friends family to, like, family doesn't like either. It's just it's hard. Here's my, here's my thought Rachel, as you know, you heard Gandhi say the same thing. You said the difference is Kerr best friend doesn't know how she feels about the boyfriend. She keeps it quiet. She's afraid of where that could go. She could lose her friend, our best friend. So what advice rates would you have for Gandhi? Okay. Well for me. See, I mean flat out asked me, why didn't like him. And you know, I didn't think I didn't say like he's discussing he's annoying. I didn't say anything like that. I just, you know, flat out said a lot of us, don't like him. And that's when I told her I feel like he's rebound. And he's not your forever. Like I put it in nicer terms, I guess, than what I could have, like I didn't on, I don't wanna, like, you know, unload all this negative stuff onto her. I was like I was said, what I thought. But in a nicer way bigger, quoted a little bit. Like be very careful with the words that you choose to tell her. So you're telling Gandhi Gandhi, maybe you could sort of drive down that road of it, but proceed with caution poop sandwich, positive about him and that I don't have any. I don't have any and then make something. Okay. And then at the end. Hey, Rachel best of luck with you and your friend and we're gonna we're gonna make poop sandwich for a Ghani. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. It's rough if she's not holding back. Now, I was kinda thinking, maybe I put it on me and say, you know, so and so makes me uncomfortable. I'm not really sure how to explain it but I feel weird around this person. Do you think that, that would work versus he sucks? I don't like him my fate your problem. The hey Katie. You hate your brothers fan said, that's the worst in the words of Katie, you call her a joyless win. I live with, you've got no choice, one of his marrying her. So you have no choice. This is this isn't even a dating situation. They're getting married. So how do you feel about that? Katie. What are you doing? Have you told your brother I feel sick over it? I feel absolutely sick and feel terrible for my brother because I feel like it just similar to regional. It's a rebound gone wrong. It just went awry, and my brother is a great guy, but he's terribly lazy. And he just doesn't want to move on. So I oh, and I have told him how I felt our family gel. Look, if you told your brother how you feel about his fans, if your family's told him, there's nothing else you can do, because at some point, you gotta let them live their lives. And if they're making a mistake they have to make their mistake, you know, you, you gotta stop chasing their car. You know, there's only so much you can do. Yeah. It really is after a while. It turns into your problem, could there be something that maybe you don't see about her that he sees? That's good, too. You know what that's interesting. And that's what I was gonna ask Gandhi, what does she think her friends sees in this ROY that makes her happy? So in love with a y why is she still in high? And that's what I want to say to my brother, like why. What is it about her that you think is so wonderful that we're not steeping? It's fair question. I think with my friend what, what? This person sees in the boyfriend is just a completely different version of a human than they've ever been in contact with. It's a this person is a different race. Just comes from a completely different background. And is introducing my friend, all of these new things, which I appreciate that stuff. And I get it. Yeah. Guy just sucks. The guy just sucks high will Katie best of luck with your family. But like I said, you know you can only beat your head against the wall so much. Did you gotta find a way to let it go? I'm trying I've really trying to let it go because we had conference calls with my friends who are on the same page about this. What do we do? Yeah. And everyone has come to the same conclusion we do nothing. We just have to be there for the fallout when it happened. It's all you're going to high, Chris. Hi, you've lost three friends because you did not approve. They were dating. And you obviously you said something, and that's why you lost your friend quiet. So would you do it again? If friend number four comes up with a with a crappy boyfriend are you going to say something or have you learned your lesson to sit back or maneuver differently? I would still probably something honestly, I think it was worth it because they like in all of those situations. They were putting their partner before their friends, and I was like, hey, this isn't a good situation. You know, you're taking everything that they're saying. And they're doing over top of what we're trying to pope, you, you know, and they, you know they decided to cut me out instead is how I see it alternate Lee. So. What else can you do other than say what's on your mind? I mean you can't. Yeah, exactly, you know what I'm saying? There's only so much you can do. I always thought, and it's this is this is maybe pollyanna ish of me if you have a problem with something I'm doing the way I'm doing it. Give me the give me the evidence. Tell me what it is. That's all you can do. I have to at that point figure it out on my own. Otherwise, it's gonna drive you crazy minute drive. Everyone crazy. I don't want to lose friends this second the second friend that I lost I went about a completely the wrong way. Like I was pretty much into both of them behind each other's bags trying to break them up. And then they got back together. And then, yeah, that was a really bad way. How did how did you try to break them up? I'm curious. What do well they like they had an age difference, and they had religious differences, which wouldn't have been a big deal if he wasn't constantly trying to convert her and I. Yeah. So I was trying to tell him like if you can't wake up every day next to this person that you believe could be going to hell then like, that's a problem. And he was like, well, we'll cross that bridge when we get to it like been like a year and a half. So you probably agree that out across that bridge to hell. When we get to it. All right. So what Chris, Chris saying, she's lost three friends over this, and she and she's willing to delusion another one. If you has. All right. It's the old lead the horse to water thing, you know, so much give Chris, thanks for listening to us. I appreciate you listening to your viewpoint. Thank you. There you go. What do you do Gandhi? I'm just gonna I think I'm just gonna bottle this up until one day I snap. Oh. Historian in the morning. Support for the on demand channel comes from our friends at rocket mortgage by Quicken Loans. Home is so much more than just a house. It's your home. 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What's going on with you today, Daniel yesterday? I had a bag like a purse that I was using my husband goes, nice new bag. And you'll he always calls me on that. Now, this is an old bag. He goes. No. It's not. I've never seen it before. I pulled out a ticket stub from my bag and I said, what's it say on this ticket stuff? He said two thousand fourteen I said, when did I get that bag? He's like fine. Whatever. And not it was in there. Hey, nice new shoes. I'll let him look at the bottoms of the shoes to see that. I've had. Really have to explain the what's up with you producer Sam. So you got the horse goes that you guys every morning and I love it. And I believe in the stars and after share an example of it. So I also I post them on my Instagram and so- listener Kimberly reached out, and she's Leo. And yesterday it was about getting a new career a new change of wind jobs. Whatever she said, I'm going for an interview today. This is good. Omen wish me luck. Well, she DNB this morning. She got the job. Congratulations Kimberly at it's because the stars. No, and they are real stars. What's up scary? So this weekend is world, oceans day, and on Sunday, I'm going to be out in Queens, New York at Rockaway beach, helping to clean up the beaches and coastlines. Now here's how you can do your part. Check this out every bracelet sold from this website for ocean dot com is gonna guarantee that the removal of one pound of beets. Litter, great is that and four is a national thing. So the number four ocean dot com. Pick up your bracelet. A pound of litter is going to be removed from ABC at. That's very cool. World oceans day. Love that. For your scary. Some great stuff sometime. Hey, what's up with you today? Gandhi. Well, hello. Okay. So I've been being a big baby about a conversation that I needed to have with somebody, and I just couldn't do it. Couldn't bring myself to do it, not the conversation about hitting my friend's boyfriend. That's a different one. It was something that was just kind of like weighing on me and I needed to have the vote and move on with my life. I finally did it yesterday. And I feel like the weight of a million pounds has been lifted off more difficult to yes. So if you have a conversation, you need to have someone your chicken, don't be chicken do it. You'll feel good could've done. Get it done extract to take quite a great advice. You guys a lot of great advice here today. I appreciate that about deep. I'm kind of wondering what we should do next. I want to do with Gary. He's Garrett is working his ass off today. I don't know if you I'm sure you catch Garrett to sound segment every day, he really works hard on this thing totally, and he put so much areas. He put so much. We're talking about how hard you work keep going. Do you have sound ready to go? Yeah, let's do it. Did you get that piece that we're looking for? Is it difficult to? I got the French president speaking, Google. Oh, goodness. Oh, what he said today? So, so, so cool, we'll get into that in a moment you got but your sound than that we have to start with game three NBA finals last night. It kicked off Metallica doing the national anthem. There you go. All right. Let's go to the CMT music awards that went down last night. So Carrie Underwood one for video of the air. But when she went up to accept they didn't turn our microphones and the video of the year goes to carry Underwood. They had one job to turn pretty video this one. All right. And this is why I gotta be honest. Whoever runs the board for these things blessing. Because there's all these buttons too many buttons. Yeah. All right. Let's move over to Zac Brown. He won with his groups that Zac Brown band for group video of the year. Prague he's laughing for a reason. So when he won he told young artist. Hey work hard. Because then you can tell the haters this for young artists have courage to stand up against the machine. Be yourself work hard in one day, you can stand up here and tell all the haters. Haters F off. Let's move over to the movies. Toy story. Four comes out and just a few weeks. June twenty-first I believe country, starker, Stapleton has a song on it done by Randy Newman. Who did you have a friend in me? You got a friend in me and others. But this song is called the ballot of the lonesome cowboy told. Chris tables, and is so cool. Thought about Woody obviously. Was. Okay. Cool. All right. Staying on Disney we get a little sneak peek on what beyond say will sound like as Nala in the lion. King that comes out July nineteen a Whealy beyond to as Nala. Okay. Here we go. Sympa. You have to take your place as king. Come home. Everyone calm down. We're here a backup is arrived. She sounds like beyond say. Yeah. All right. So chasing happiness is the Jonas brothers documentary. They will be here tomorrow, aka Friday and. Okay. I, I got to watch it and it's very cool. So here's a two clips that I found important. One was the moment all the guys talked about when they realized, hey, we have to break up a moment to hear about meeting Josette down. Nick says, as you guys know, like things haven't been the same and to Jonas brothers should be no more. It was not ours. Not in it that wouldn't be real with you, as band members and brothers does where it was van is over. I wanna go do stuff without you guys. And I've made up my mind. Either one of them were saying long ago. Llama God, I'm gonna cry. And then with that to Nick early on he started off in Broadway. And he was captain hook in one of his Broadway shows. So this is ten year old Nick Jonas singing, as captain hook. The cheapest crook only when enemy do wino- pan might keep his vote. That's so cool. All right. And then the Jonas brothers they've been doing a lot a lot of press overseas. And they did a different version of their song. Sucker in the AM are version while. So if you have headphones on closely this is especially for you. Here we go. Take. Supplemental. Things. About. Echo me. Okay. It's creepy, very creepy. And then so as we've been talking today is do you wanna play the Bryan Cranston? Get into that. Yeah, you're the best. I'm more today. He's the busiest managed people are texting how much they love. Garrett's sound American. Thank you. Today is the seventieth anniversary of d day, seventy fifth seventy fifth. My policy is seventy fifth anniversary of d day. It's when the allied forces landed at Normandy, France World War, Two in basically, then kicked, the Nazis out of France. It was a major reason we won World War Two and there's a lot of stories going around one, I love thirteen thousand US paratroopers jumped into northern France on day. Including a guy from San Diego named Tom rice who is now ninety seven years old and yesterday with the other day he did it again. He landed in the same area he did back in nineteen forty four. He said the difference was it was. It was easier now because no one shooting at him. Logical. And so another story the vet Jim Radford he was only fifteen years old when he served as the galley boy on a British ship at Normandy. The youngest known participant. He's now ninety. In back in nineteen sixty nine he wrote a folk song called the shores of Normandy in for the last few days, it's been Amazon's top selling single in the UK. I don't care by Ed Sheridan Justin Bieber. His second after shores enormity. So I was talking to Brodie this morning about about a speech that was made in the spirit of thank you from the French you wanna talk about it. All it was trending pres-, French president Emmanuel Macron was trending on Twitter, so I clicked it he gave a speech in English which he doesn't always do thanking America for us giving them freedom and saving them. Here it is what we will. Do you. All freedom. On behalf of my nation. I just want to say thank you. President Eisenhower had to write a note. Can you imagine being the president of the United States, and being so, so, so important in the circle of world leaders who are responsible for so many of the decisions made at World War Two in World War Two he was the general at the time. President Eisenhower was general at the time and he wrote a note called in case of failure. Oh, can you imagine? No having this on your shoulders. He said, are landings in the Sherborne area have failed to gain a satisfactory foothold and I have withdrawn the troops. My decision to attack at this time and place was based upon the best information available the troops, the air in the navy. Did all did all that bravery and devotion to duty could do if any blame or fault attached to the attempt. It is mine alone. Just in case. Right. Actor Bryan, Cranston, actually read a letter that was written. During World War Two in around the time of the stormy of Normandy. Listen to this, my sweet Mildred in the faraway distance, one could hear the rumble of near killary in the. Machine. Gunfire, the elements were at their worst relenting craft was half filled with water. We used our helmets to throw it overboard. I never thought we would make some of the boats never reached the shore, pose a horrible side. The word came. Let's go. We didn't have a chance to fight back. We were dropped into the water over our heads with a stream of lead coming at us way were at the mercy of the Germans pulled myself together and sought a rifle around. I went trying to find my outfit, gracious Lord, what was left to them? Just twenty five out of one hundred sixty. We overcame all obstacles, and pushed inland capture I town are outfit can be proud of the part that we played in helping to win this war by my sweet love and kisses Dom. Very appropriate of Memorial Day was several weeks ago. The, you know, we can actually go back to Memorial Day and remind ourselves of what that day was all about. So today, the seventy fifth anniversary of d day do do. Search online go read some stories have some quiet time on your own and understand how important this day is to very important day. So there you have the three things you need to know from Gandhi. What are they what's going on? Let's stuff happening. So if you are a fan of YouTube, it's going to be changing a little bit soon because YouTube says it's taking down conspiracy videos, claiming things like the holocaust in sandy hook were all hoaxes. They're gonna be removing hundreds of thousands of these videos, and they say, if you get caught violating their terms are going to kick you off, you're not gonna be able to. L. Amazon just unveiled the drone that it's going to start using to make deliveries. They say these deliveries could happen later this year, maybe even summertime. We'll see about that. But you could be getting packages. Brought to your house by a little drone who then finally today is the day, you can use your foreign currency of any type and any amount at any McDonald's to buy their new international menu items. You get some like bacon cheese fries. A certain type of baking Gouda cheese burger believe a waffle cone. Yeah. So if you've got that currency show up, and you can get some stuff. Thank you. So Lewis capacity is here. He's a we're going to talk to him. He's going to perform for us. He's unbelievable way to you meet him. I've never met him. I'm so excited to get him in here and he's coming up for you next. Name is. With the morning. Beer, summer dating strategy with the mass app, you can view, photos and read more about the people. You see download the matchup for free today. You know, stuff that's going on behind the scenes. You don't know about. I gotta tell you. There's, there's right. There's always a flurry of Email and text going back and forth between artists in their management and the music company, and I heart radio and I mean, it's like eight thousand people going back and forth. And no one knows what they're talking about. It's the most it's this is why I don't even read Email anymore. Yes. All I know is, you know, we have we have Louis capacity coming on and a few minutes. He's easy. This is easy working with them. They're great our friends at capital. Love them, our friend Brittany from capitol. Brittany. Britney just did something so strange what you do from. Well, I'm I'm gonna bring it up to you. Oh, hey, Brittany. How are you? You don't get to work with us. And now she works over Carol music. I mean congratulations on everything. I just watch you in front of eight people twenty people put on the odorant. Oh, yeah. I love you. I don't I live timing, the bathroom Pinocchio. I'm gonna do it right here in front of everyone smell your pits in front of people for me to. I would rather in barris myself that way than embarrass myself by sweating embarrassing at all what you want to congratulate you in this is something that the women of iheart, do that guys don't do they sniffy to? There's armpits hundred percent yet you know I did that yesterday. I was like, do I smell and somebody who actually works z, one hundred did smell it for me? Cara. No. He's pretty good. When you get the all clear, you're like, yeah, yeah, it was actually a moment of accomplishment anyways, I was just talking about how people listen to us every day. And we have guest on the show. These incredible artists, like, for instance, Louis I've never met before, but I'm a big fan of his fun. It will. And you know, I'm gonna talk to you about that. But you guys you brought him into us, and we appreciate it. But there's so much that goes on in the background. It's like Email back and forth. Can you do this? Can you do that? Don't talk about this, but you guys are great. I will tell you not all people. We work with are that great shall I name names that. Doing. I feel you staring at me. Millie. Tell tell everyone about your thought working with Louis capacity from from like the capitol music angle. There's obviously been many artists that we've brought through here. But I think this is one that actually most excited about one is that just the personalities? We're gonna work so well with this room that it's going to be. So it's gonna be such, like a surreal moment, especially because he's from the UK. Yeah. And the buzz over there about Elvis, read in the morning show is just as big as is here, when artists like, come here, they're like, oh, my God, I'm going on Elvis. You know what? It's about. Yeah. This is exciting. So that's awesome. In the thing is about Louis Capote is everyone talks about what a true true fantastic artist he is. I mean even if he was a jerk. There's still love him. He's great. But it so happens. He's like almost playful guys. I've heard he's totally playful lot of fun. It's gonna be a riot like trying to find out when his comedy starts. Britney. Thank you so much. Thanks, thanks for freshening up your armpits. Anything? Good, good, actually alleys deodorant odor. Thank you. You're sharing. Understand why we don't do that. More steeler. We'll go. Nate's face around whenever whenever loses comfortable, we're fine. But you let us know just let us know. Okay. On your time. The one that only Britain everyone. We got all the time in the world. We're good. Danielle you to do the Daniel report. All right. Daniel as we prepare Louis capacity for his his debut on our show, so excited about this. What do you have going on? All right. So as you know, we do have the Jonas brothers with us tomorrow. So this is so funny. Sophie Turner on the set of game of thrones. Her stunt double was so convincing and look so much like that Joe Jonas nearly kissed the stunt double thinking it was so funny. He actually walked over to give excuse blocked, give her a kiss, and then he went, oh, I'm so sorry you're the road one, it's. So you didn't want him not kissing her. It's so funny. We, we should ask them about that. So Ellen Pompeo was talking to Raji P Henson about the early days on Grey's anatomy. She was doing the variety studio actors on actors, and she said that it was toxic on the set in the first ten years, she said, we had serious culture issues, very bad behavior. And she said it was a really toxic work environment. She also said that her co star Patrick Dempsey was paid almost twice what she was in the first two seasons because he had done thirteen pilots, although none of them ever aired, and she hadn't worked on television. She said I didn't even realize that. I didn't realize that for a long time, and then I figured out that he was getting paid more interesting. Right. So Robert Downey junior, you know him as iron man, he actually wants to use iron man type technology to help the planet. If you're fan, you kind of know what this is. It's. The can manipulate atoms and molecules, it's called nanotechnology. And this is what I heard man wants to do feeling my by knowledge until I started really watching the ironman movies gone watching all the marvel movies over. He's just so hot. Oh, he really is just so no, he's just such a pompous ads sometime. Yes, stark, and he's Tony stark was a human eye would hunt him down. He's not he's not being an ass. He's being confident 'Save, some Asan, have no, no. He's com. AM non him as okay? Let's future releasing EP called save me coming out tomorrow, Dwayne Wade is releasing a memoir as you would say three dimensional after called coming out in October. It's going to focus on his life, and obviously everybody wants to know about it because they love him game five Stanley Cup finals going down tonight. Braxton family values also lip sync battle is on as well. And again, this book, I've been telling you about that. I've been listening to audible little fires everywhere. I finished yesterday. It's gonna be made into a show on Hulu with Joshua. Jackson Reese, Witherspoon and Kerry Washington Bickel. I'll get it. How to pick him. Okay. It's time to have fun. Hi, louis. Louis is here. Let's Capelli's here. This is this is awesome now. Okay. So I don't know if you caught it, but. Okay. So the Jonas brothers covered a Louis capacity song someone you loved one of my favorite songs. So now it's revenge time. So a Lewis is going to cover a Jonas brothers home in it's going to happen, right here. Yes. Are you ready? Are you ready for retribution? Please. Welcome to the show Lewis Kepala. Come on, in your on. Okay. Let's do that. So ca full you. New C can node chew fund me, Soka full. Coli. I did not want that too. Oh my gosh. Amazing. Lewis capacity doing soccer unreal. That was unbelievable. Standing ovation? Thank you. That was beautiful. Thank you. Thanks, thanks. Thank you, that about sweat, and blue shot. So you can see everything. No as sweating. Why is it a nerve at just a sweat, when I put my punt sewn in the moaning, a definite thing of amount of weight, and it just point the sauce, too humid heat and. Pasta. Puff danielle. This is Ghandi froggy. You can't see him. He's in. He's in Florida. We're everywhere. He doesn't want to talk about today. Look, I, I don't know. I don't know where you were while you're seeing that song. But it wasn't here. Where do you go? I mean, is it a stupid question where do you go when you when you perform like that I go to hot place, a thing, which is me and my bed Putnam on? Right. Like a sexy pizza set makes me some garlic DEP at I'm just going to turn. This happy place. We could all agree. It doesn't doesn't look but it feels amazing. In New York. Are you checking out the good pizza places? I've between Emila Haba ninety nine cent slice every place. All they just, you know, quick and easy. It's kind of like be quick and easy. We learn more about Louis three minutes. See menaces famous has really oh you need with me. Your, your music is is being. It's being celebrated like it's a top of the charts over in the UK and you now you're invading our shores here. How does it feel? I mean is this real pension yourself as just I so we as one because you don't expect to have some something do wail anyway. Tell me like I always say, as Fady lucky that my manages Basha because I'm quite laid back leg jumping, I late me love making music, but I never had low ambitions of lake you know, be over he'll doing stuff like that. I mean, even in the UK I just thought I'm just gonna keep on doing this and try and make some money doing and just all be happy doing it because, you know, I'm enjoying something. I'm I don't have to get your job, basically. Yeah. Just I don't when it happens, you can lake big celebrity big star. I wouldn't have ruled out. No. But like it wasn't. It wasn't the the goal any point. It was just like let's just see what happens. And that was seeing what happens. This is but it's been crazy. The last last couple of weeks. Well Lewis, I was reading the texts coming through while you're performing the words were chills goosebumps. Oh my God. This is amazing. I'm getting the feels in my car, which sounds dirty, I'm on though, feeling anybody. Well, look, I you I don't know. How do you pretend he's not here? How do you give the ultimate compliment to an artist who is able to sit behind a microphone in make it look so easy? Right. But it just all comes out sounding. So perfect what do you say to the to Louis capacity? I think they're gonna be mad because that's that's good. Less. The they covered muscle. At nev- more excited about leading something at me. So, yeah, I suppose the ACA do was was a typical 'em doing such an amazing version of my song was up slightly mutt of this on, on life. On the BBC. You may you may have to those for saying, you'll not Turner, little knob Lewis Minova twist. So did you know that they were gonna cover your song at the base mementos against takes from his aflaid through cessation guitar player saying, oh, I'm coveting someone you love in the live lively today on day I was like, oh, that's pay lake. I was like who's in who's in the lively and a phone that was the that was the Jonas brothers. And this is got click on the road at the Tolkien chatting away. But yeah, had no new prion only. They were going to do that. And I mean, I'm glad that, that like sales have gone through the roof. So I saw. Ping ping me to move a mother's. Spirit flat. Oh, cool. But, I mean so I, I don't know what, what will make you feel as if you are a success. What is success to you? And the hod moment, quite recently, where I was playing a show in Glasgow with on from, and I say the show, what the, the, the sailing knockoff Manche, I've saved my shoe, and I'm like, I have other right arm lake a few company by some of that solar. Did you buy some of the? Did you? Yeah, I went out, and I've got my phone out and a foam. I, I liked to muscle to everything including good to the bathroom. I went out say phone. That's great. I'm walking up and I'm right. Hello, LA, how's it going? And they'll like everyone's fit happy mailing mailing Kevin some money. The t shirts. Yes, boys. Come on. Get these guys. Everyone's when he make eleven s. Come on. Let's do it and then apply show enough to find that those guys got arrested. Because up to anyone to angry skull Fischman who looking who have an abundance of fate lose capacity Melcher, and also onto my teeth. Send him the other way. Yeah. So what how you got started? I mean you started at a very young age. Yes. Playing music when I was nine Fusco on stage and it was four and the guitar and writing songs at name, and then eleven hundred a shoe eleven where now where would you play where where would you show? I used to play and like pubs and clubs at ungodly eleven yet the thrown thrown opponent to an eleven year old boy, come and sang songs. But I still like my brother was always involves grownup. So he knew on people who could get shoes and stuff. He caught me gags and these laws. But just said, oh, my brother is getting a laugh out. The fact is brothers, you know, prepubescent and to come in, and I would just be laying straight for the bathroom, which is while most teams enemy when places and I'm hated and the and again, hazing and the meals by firms as as, as something of Kati into my lethal life. Definitely. Yeah. But. About note the best place. Fillet appreciable, pre show, EULEX got heating other men. You know, exclude themselves. The weight and I would run out an F F could plug in my guitar, and stop playing, you will get to go usually obsolete fighting, so am so, yeah, I think now used to play, and it was like for the few instances over from eleven three like ninety eight and I was doing, and so we started by, and then leave off to my show, but there was one time a window with my mom and dad. I was sexiness point up. My brother looks at lake me. And he was eighteen and a half has ID. And I was like I can pull this off. So an and the guy says, Hello, Louis. We'll go like full by zone today's. Oh, good. So we didn't sat women dad, and I'm applause ID, and I showed him, and he was like, oh, and then it came by leeann says, Louis cannot see that ideal multi, just because an extra bind to showed up we've double booked and, and. Yeah, it was like I was thing, what I was okay kill can knock into this to what I gave him ID and essays, the go mate. And he said this, let's say shit names. Aiden cabal am quick as a flash. That's because I'm about. About embarrassed about, you know, playing like to engage yourself at the woman to come and see me play. So I use Louis cabal ca stage name, and I'm like you, and he amount you've nailed dot and I look, a looks patience and condemn detail who I land to lie off of this point. Dodd and yet, obsolete thoughts thoughts that I look at my mom, and she's reading the fishy sweating, crumbles awake in front of us mind. And she starts laughing guys to leave so go by myself without point. Yeah, no Minogue get from dots. Maters dot says a good Lyle. Time for your mom. So they must be so proud of you, the video, Hoppy. But yeah, as I see the I mean come to, to move up my Hosa thing mother's. You're gonna break your mother's heart though. Honestly, it she that women hostel wash my underwear, and he will be a welcome release, when I leave okay because you're still live at home doesn't mean you can't wash your own underway. Is that not one of the pets? You hope. No. She doesn't let me she. She wouldn't limit to it because just ruin it. And in Washington do enemy, and I'm going to have a whole fee days a week fees. Like a month, I'm lucky and damn yet it's just the lesson on. Oh, I will pond. Seven day, and let me tell you. It takes a love elbow, crease. By new the old owner. Hey, this is Louis Paul the I'm gonna play his song. Someone someone I loved it just a few few seconds. You're gonna love it. But question what other jobs, have you had other than this non job? You have right now. The only other like thing that I would could claim was Joel was at go trial shift like a probation shift an ice cream. Stand co Dan, Joe dilute, cheese and Livingston an ice cream. Cream industry. But the thing is my family when they came from Allie, lake annot Dawson's, very surprising to look at me to him, if I'm Lynn Italian, but hey can't when they came over from from alley is musical, and the south the nice cream buses Capelli's famous. So I was like s in the blood that's as good. But they may Ted that, and it's like you have to stand the one of the things I do, I was a fundamentally was was wrong was ace cream on a stick and show to children passing by all come have some, some free ice cubes came, I thank the something going wrong via creeping where I disagree with that ODA Ola on a molecular level thing, I think something strange about targeting young children type two type two. Low them the sweet treats. The movie titty. Titty bang. Oh for sure I and lesson I go begging a how the high oh and a hail net and there's nothing we go. And do you want some ice cream? Come come come in. Bizarre that job left. I was asked to leave off. No. Even even if you have something wrong with the company's practices, as pro best to tail. Got the job. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. So, so, yeah, that was a short-lived kitty a- armed who knows what could have been. So just to get a little Syria percent. What, what is it? I know obviously you're having a lot of fun doing this. What is it about the music look being eleven year old kids singing in a pub, great, but now that you're an adult now that you're doing songs that are like real real pieces of work. This is art. You're, you're, you're building here. What is the music to you? Why are you? Why do you feel like you have to do this? No money. No. I. I think it's just like for me, it's just like something to get all the Kenna as you as you see lake to have a laugh things and thing. But in what your feelings in Kenna healthy? I mean I disagree with the fact that he will see, you know, music is my therapy, but because I think if you're going to have some pay. But like, I think for me just as they had a cathartic way to just talk about things and really can a-. There's a single code a JC re is a massive final member. Something she said tweeted, once when she said, I like to sing up out the stuff that I don't like to talk about. Which I think is is that you. I think so. Yeah. I just no no delays talk about about. I would cost him with him having fun. And I think for me as a very good way to just kind of walk through any, any feelings L. Well, contempt, I have other members of the humidity. Rewatch. You do it. Yeah. Lobs up all this new stuff and meeting, maybe just raise like you said, have you had fan girl fan boy moments. I think when this Covault I was like the play the jet James called in last night, a massive outage called may till from valley lake Bachan the deadly stuff, and I was just like he was looking dated is. And I was like a thing of speed kept the killed the meaning of course at that. Vanya lovely veil of amount. I was just a spot. New just scares me. But I think as we when you get with done tools like Sam Smith, and like Nile, hold it and, and ragging Beaumont of stuff in the thing is you just when it starts to get you get to meet these people. You kinda just Eloy him. It's like oh, these just like a regular. I saw sevens say, but I think when, when you meet these people you like, oh, you're just like dead, nice and dead. And the only time I've at that claim Battiston a thing was when Nile Holden play a show in early. And I had me and my friend, piano player. We've go invited to this author shield hanging about be Kilby Kobe, cool. So go down and place and Sam Smith was air puled tap Luisita poet stuff. And I'm like, right. We'll get shot at him out. I'm out captured, by the way, this is part of me thought it was going to be a feeble at wasn't. So I signed up sinus, and all delay. You would you it was Hardaway. These guys are gonna think I'm so cool. And I go kilo show, everybody. And I gave the bell at something like north of two hundred dollars point. I got a full Satele, right? Even if that Bobak. No obvious way. Take ceus. You're the cool guy. You're buying shot guy that was definitely something as cool up until you see the eagle. Okay. Coupe. And then I go to uncle okay? There's a call that I'm shaking an an I'm thinking my mother's gonna kill me. And she goes to sway the call and pay and she goes, it's not actually Watkin. I've got lake Sam Smith Nile whole. No stand of aiming 'em right to my piano player to end the most subtly possible, you're going to have to give me your call right now because we need to get has walked, thank. Spell the most like it was the, the most like he's, I've never been so scaled and me of just like sheet embarrassment by. Yeah. He got out money to stay. I'm sure. Sam smith. I'm sure his cards dejected time. For something Lewis. I keep forgetting your era talion. What part of Italy is your family from family from PJ school, right? Which is where San just say, I believe is up so until miss NIA Laszio pa- am by. Yeah. My family. I think it's great follow the they came over. I mean, I don't speak a lack of talian I don't look at talion except for maybe you know make you. Yeah, he. Let's put it out. Wait. Are you saying, talion have Harry bag, so they hit it? Like I say. Always Italian someone with a low pal hit folic follicle blast than I am Daniel, for instance, mustache. I always think of Andre appeal if applicable he's like, low tech. Black hands got. Thea. Yeah. My family's from Scotland. I've never been I need to visit to. Alcohol and rain. It's the place. Want to tell you something Lewis while you were performing a sucker? I sent a text to Kevin Jonas. Okay. And I said by chance, are you listening right now? Lewis Capote is doing sucker. It's unreal. He says we were live on Instagram ride as he was doing it. And we listened to the whole thing tell him we love him. So there you go. Jonas brothers are going to be here with us tomorrow. Maybe it's their turn to singing other one that you guys have careers is ripping each other. Just as long as I mean definitely getting though I'm definitely getting more from covering Jonas blossom and the coveting a what am I? Louis. Yeah. Keep going back and forth lead albums to Moto as the. The. So I mean we can can go back and fulfill weeks on. I love how do you like New York? What do you think in? Yes. Incredible faded today. This team really being when it's been like halt a humid expedients for shoe. This is nothing like all. Everything's about New York is, you know, we don't build out, we build up skyscraper buildings and we look into each other's windows. We see each other we watch. I mean, do you ever problem showering in front of me in front of other people people are watching you through your window? I'm seeing a hotel that know mentioned, I'm thinking, I think what does this as just a just a glass Wendell of a win the epaulets construction wilko's across through shower? Can I feel like a half to be like, I'm doing it stood up straight in taint stuff? And I'm like, yeah. 'cause usually beg. But like. Hated. I said, exactly so. So-called. But yeah, no m yes. So wield what especially because like the you can see it. Let me tell you something as on his looked at myself naked, everyday life, as something that I would like to broadcast. Odyssey. The closest came taking new sale is taking a pet of what was a ham Royd. This. Pretty well. Well, just having a look and see if you could see me trying to take that as well, because you think an easy Lee, says, no. Defec- band. Oh my God. It's feel any metal and one of those sales steps to do. On that note. We say goodbye. Have you here? Was this fantastic. I'm gonna play. We gotta take your song, coming back. You've gotta listen to it. You always have an invitation at our table in and I can't wait to see you in concert. Nice his own while you're here. We'll check out your hemorrhoids. When we go to go because I need, I need some professionals versus. Yeah. Warning. I, I love you guys Elvis Duran in the morning show. Call us at one eight hundred two four two zero one hundred Elvis terrain in the morning show. I can't get over this Louis Paul. Ding really is amazing. I don't want him to leave. Yeah. Wanting to stay. Mommy. Can we keep him? I like to keep him. He seems like a like an awesome friend to have around to make you laugh all the time. We were watching the text messages listeners were texting while he was on Brodie. I mean, have you ever seen so many positives about a guest? I mean, it's been a long, but somebody described his accent as luscious, which I thought was tremendous. So, so why cities, the best new guest we've ever had? I can't wait to have him back. Anyway Lewis capacity, we urge you to support him in any in every way you can, and ever good gosh, if you ever come to town performed in your city, make sure you go. See you. Okay. Promise me. Let's get into the three things you need to know right now Gandhi, what's going on? Well, we know today is the seventy fifth anniversary of d day over nine. Thousand American troops gave their lives that day. So we are all remembering it, but one of the interesting stories to come out is a ninety seven year old World War, Two paratrooper who jumped again, seventy five years later into the same exact spot where he jumped on that day in nineteen forty four. What did he say that it was easier? This time shooting shooting ninety seven guys. Awesome. It was onsides. It's going gonna start delivering orders with drones in the next couple of months. So we're excited to see what those drones look like are they gonna ring your doorbell ready for drones to deliver things to problem is so many drones come into my house? Laguardia, you'll get an air traffic control tower. And finally, today's the day, if you have some foreign currency laying around your house, and you wanna get rid of it. Go to Donald this afternoon because you can use that currency to get four of their new products that are international products. It doesn't matter what the currency is how much it's worth they're going to accept it. So that's exciting. That's cool. Thank you going to do the Jonas brothers on the show tomorrow. We've got lot to catch up with with them. Also a great team dresses, as a b and pollinate flowers and central park tomorrow. Yeah, I can't wait Elvis. I don't know how to sleep tonight. We go on for. So it's a way to kick off your weekend with us. Shows vigil Twitter account. Tweet us always torrential. Twitter myself Elvis story in the morning. Sponsored by state farm. Protect your car and home with the one that's here to help your life. Go right state farm Tautou agent today at one eight hundred state farm. Thank you. Great team. The best whatever I do. Hey greg. I know you're looking for a new job. Have you downloaded the ZipRecruiter app? Ziprecruiter has the the job search here. It's a good player. Leading talkin about ZipRecruiter for years as they are the place to go. If you need to hire someone. Now, if you're the superstar someone's looking for ZipRecruiter's going to hook you up. All right. Ziprecruiter job search app. It finds a job. You'll like it put your profile right there in front of him. And then when they know that you're the one who's qualified for that job. They'll invite you to apply. They stay in touch with us. It's like having it's like having a counselor working with your own representation out there. Finding you the best job. I'm based on a third party survey. Seven out of ten people who found a job on ZipRecruiter increase their salaries. They asked over five hundred ZipRecruiter play people are like, yeah, we love it. Oh, then I'm gonna use it. Stop it. You should download the free ZipRecruiter job search app today. Let the power of technology work for you. Don't wait. The sooner you download the free, ZipRecruiter job search at the sooner it can help you find a better job. If these ZipRecruiter job search app, download it dole. To Randy, Elvis, Durant phone task Brody. What's it all about? That was Caitlyn one to phone. Tap husband, Peter, Peter works the overnight shift and then sleeps all day, which kind of annoys her does she wanted to wake him up. I do it in a way that shows used to watch a lot of TV grownup, command mean. All right. Let's see what happened today. How are you g Peter? It's your pill Louisville. It's time the wake up. Steve day. Coach me Poon along Klug at my hat. Pel rocky, and I would like you to wake up. Hello. Hello. It's time to wake up. It's super Grover clock. Calling my number you had a wake up. This is grew up my own number. Eisenstein? By layer. Deuce back is for coffee. The thought is for coffee, you need to. I don't care. This is. Wake up. You must. Works better should be my unpack. Yoda. Tell me your name, always high. Listen, Peter payday calm down. I'm Tommy from Tommy Tune's alarm clock wife Caitlin, hired me. Jarred, my company tunnel tunes along clock. It hired you to. To last me. She hired me for four weeks to knows you like cartoons. So she hired me. She said you sleep late everyday. So she hired me. June twenty five dollars a week. What there's no way my wife, take the cartoon character you wife in verify who I am? And what I'm saying you. I look forward to speaking, you tomorrow. I hope you'll be in a better mood. Calin. He's gonna call you in a minute. When does this, let me let it go to voicemail? I leave it on. Here we go. Guys in calling me for like half an hour cartoon voices saying you pay him. This. I might doing I thought it was so cute. You know what? It's like it was insane. Being heard of my like why did I like to win? When he was meeting are so bad. I know you Star Wars, did he do. Don't understand zoology. We don't need to be wasting money on this. Who had site and you can think what he wants tomorrow. Pay me. I visited save is insane thing. Perfect paid extra for Grover. Did he do Grover and know what your favorite? Peter. Your wife and I are tapping you on. We have phone tapping you is. Stay Brody Melva strand in the morning, kidding me. Oh my God. Holy totally. Idea for a phone to have ELLI story dot com. Click on the phone tap tap. Tell us what you wanna do. Tap was pre recorded with permission granted by all. Female, the phone tab on Elvis Duran in the morning show. Danielle running in put an look at you. What do you why do you have a do rag on? What are you waiting to clean the green room, the because I don't know who is in there. But they left like bags and food and water and Louis. Capone Alloway him. I'm not complaining when it went went in bathroom in when an after him and then made a mess. So I was just trying to clean it up a little bit boulevard. You're like the den mother. Are you really are cleaning up because we need clean for tomorrow, because Jonas brothers are coming. I figured no one was gonna clean it later. So I just played it. Now, are you the one at no one in this room? It's rhetorical question. Are you the one at work that actually clean out the refrigerator would stuff starts growing green hair on it? You used to do that team. I gave that up. He would blend it up in a blender and then we would eat it. He doing this is what's the morning show continues to remind Elvis of these. Gonna make you do that. But tomorrow you argon address up like a sexy be. Yeah. And you're going to pollinate central park. I can't wait. Wait tickled? I can't really I don't. Great, my gosh. Awesome. I know that scares the official food opener. Like we have containers refrigerator. We don't know how long they've been. There were like scary. You open. Spread arrives on the one of the utensils of their unwrap everything I wanted to be nice. Plus, do you want to eat? I bite. I'm that, like rummages through the fridge, like how old is this? I'm gonna eat that are. Fairway came up today and they brought the most incredible spread, I've gone back twice for that salmon all kind of I smell, like a salmon. Anyway, let's get into our last Daniel report of the day, thanks for cleaning up the green room day. All right. So Hines will produce Ed Sheeran with his own brand of Katcha, cool. It's called edge up bottles are available at this website called Hinds at dot com. That's such a unique name for it. He admitted taste like yes. It's a little bit of Ed in every bottle. The MLB network a aired a clip of a rod that was recorded back. In ninety eight. He was twenty two years old said his dream date would be Jennifer Lopez, and look at this, he's now marrying Jennifer Lopez, it can happen. If you say you want Jason momoa Gandhi? You never know what can happen. I am recorded somewhere in highschool, saying that I wanted to marry Keanu Reeves Mary. Well, let's see what happens to wait for that. This is interesting before Chris Hemsworth landed the role of Thor in the marvel movies. He lost out on big rolls in GI, Joe and the wolverine x-men men movies he was running out of money. 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Hour 4:

The Paul Finebaum Show

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Hour 4:

"The Paul Finebaum show podcast has been brought to you by the capital one sabre card earn four percent cashback on dining and entertainment two percent of grocery stores and one percent on all all other purchases now when you go out you cash in what's in your wallet terms apply cried passion and pageantry of of college football leaves here the the Paul Finebaum show our four podcast the final hour or has arrived and it has been a spectacular day here in Lexington. We're not done yet we have the best for last. Marcus Spears dorning the set yet as well as Marty Smith who will be hosting SEC nation Mara great man bring it. It's a lot it's a lot favorites ebbert segment of Diana's kickback. We have our own. I liked the new graphics on the highway. I walked on the bus and saw it. I thought it was in three d look at that gorgeous background now. Hey Yeah. This is a pretty campus so it's nice. It's a beautiful campus. It is nice. What's everybody calling and talking to you about today. Kentucky Fans Talkin when smacks Florida fans. I Kentucky doesn't exist Joe. Borough won the heisman this afternoon. Oh God Alabama fans are wondering if anybody notices racist. They're still playing football. The Usual Sec week no doubt. I don't even know where to go. I don't even know where we are right now. Let's start here. Sa- good matchup is intriguing. I would love for Terry Wilson. That'd be available to win this game aim just because of the experience he had last year in the swamp but with that being said we'll see what Sawyer Smith has is. One of the best defense is he'll play all season long so I'm really looking forward to seeing how he responds and then San Felipe again. I guess a good defense. Yeah I want to ask you about Felipe because we were down in Orlando three weeks ago. We we all walked out of there wondering which way he was going yeah we expected him to be a lot better in that in and at first matchup and then they start to kind of level off and make sense because we saw a lot of really good quarterback struggle week one so you couldn't really get into the performance what I will say is and obviously it's been been like a dead horse but the level of maturity fully bay is he he has the this is my opinion. He has a stop taking things so personally and just kind of stick to his job do what he do. He's a very talented kid. Has a lot of the measurable has the ability to be a really good quarterback. I think just sometimes he's paying attention to more than the game and it seems like he gets out of his element element when he does he go. I go back to when we were at camping world in Orlando. He went and talked to the crowd and then the next series threw an interception and and the camera yeah it's interesting to me spears because I was down there in Gainesville with Philippa before weeks zero before they face the canes and that was the entire premise of the interview the entire premise of the interview was you got booed off your home field and then you come back and you lead them to victory and you're you know you're in your own crowd and that whole thing and what were the emotions involved in that experience for you and how have you grown from that and his response to me was that he had learned selflessness rather other than selfishness and had learned how to lead a team and be that type of Alpha and you know then we we kind of saw what happened against Miami I think if he's able to maintain his composure and able to stay within himself from that perspective he can be a really good player but I do think that he lets that manipulate his middle focus and approach to the game but he also did was we all in this business in our business. When when you're athlete you plant in front of millions of people the moment you let them know it matters to you what they say about you. That's at the end you basically done after that point because now all the people that move awfully pay the people that are talking about him and his maturity they know that like somewhere they're taking a real estate in his mind and immediately when you let people know that they will go to the extreme so his his biggest deploy of defense against stat is just going ball and being quiet about it and some people who listen as long as football has been played players listen to people the medium is is different now where you can find out instantly which we all know but I want you to try to describe now you talk to these players and try to tell them but can you communicate with players nowadays to get them off this and pay attention to what Paul is the craziest dynamic. I mean you you know I'm doing a lot of stuff in the NFL this year and talked to guys in pro locker rooms teammates chicken twitter at halftime. That's ridiculous. Diculeng when when you think about like you said the media has changed but here's the deal the successful ones usually they don't buy into it look for athletes. There have always been ways to know if people are talking good or bad about you because it's a polarizing job or polarizing the thing that you're doing so what the back in the time when we were playing it was the media and people locally and the local newspaper you knew of you were performing well or not but the the Mo like I said this is like a message to all these kids and even professional athletes the moment you let people know that they take into real estate in your mine. It's ultimately insecurity yeah. It's really pretty fundamental but nothing wrong with that Marty everybody here book about being insecure and I have no qualms admitting my insecurities. The thing is when you do give them that credibility the end wing you care and when you openly show that you care it is giving them credibility for their criticism which ultimately has no bearing on what your coaches think of you what your teammates think of you and how you play the game. That's it. I I know all that but tomorrow. It's going to happen again Felipe. It doesn't have a good game. He'll be consume. What everyone is saying well. He has to play will ause is your for them to win but but it's your choice to to how it affects you right the moment you get into thinking that you can change their air mind and the narrative. That's when you go down a rabbit hole. That is never ending right so is that part of it. We all care about our performance form. We all care about if people are have respect for how we perform it but sports all the time it is that dynamic where you can literally walk into your facility or your locker room the next day and find out if you did your job effectively in that people put in the news. Don't need to tell you that no Monday film review sessions on Sunday in a week that has been dominated by one player Antonio Brown his his reaction Marcus his performance on social media after he got to try and I realized the complexities are much more serious but I I'm really interested in what in college players when they're watching him. What are they seeing and how they reacted it depends on it depends on their makeup echo. I don't give an more. They'll let you speak to this. I don't give credibility that guys one emulate guys in their personal life I don't I don't really buy into that narrative right if if you if a kid that doc plays football tells me they want to be Antonio Brown I'm thinking they talking about how they play football right here right. I'm not thinking about how his antics and all of that right but the reality is you got some kids looking emulate every single thing that they're star or idle player does and I think it's very important for the people close to whoever they're individually as the let them know you not that. You're not that got whether that's negative of a positive. I'm sure there's a lot a lot of guys WANNA be. Tom Brady at quarterback right but somebody has to tell them. No you beat the Best Marty Smith or you'd be the best Paul Finebaum ma-margaret spheres and see where it takes you but I think we've got into a place in society where we were now. We will these dues to raise our kids kids. We won't what they doing to have more of a positive impact on the people around him daily and being a father. That's closer to me youtube more more like I don't. I mean I want my son to WANNA be Marcus Spears junior period. Whatever that is my loves the dance right everybody would expect him to play spoiler here. He wanted to dance so I say if you go dead right so I just think I we get in a very bad area. When we let our kids just look and say oh I want to be that guy I think the have have fostered a false reality for our young people and that's not just this college as young men like Felipe or Antonio or anybody else. It's offered a sort of a sort of certain license to to disseminate what you want to how you want to consume what you want to how you want to let that manipulate lay your mind and and it worries me as a father to Marcus's point I have thirteen ten and seven at home and they love to watch youtube. They love to consume. That stuff. Avenue tries apparent to tell them that's not real what you see on instagram ain't real it's fake book book and what you what we're trying to instill within you is what we hope you take with more difficult you successful is what what made Mardi successful swell made myself and people of the people in every facet of life however you deem success not about about how much money you make it or how many people know you how many followers you have or you being the best and most honest to yourself that like every regret person. I've met that's been the commonality which logistically individuals right and they know that it takes a lot the people to help them get to where they are but they don't sacrifice who they are to appease the masses people get pissed off all the time. Paul you know that they I know you know uh sheriff but they but they respect that you are who you are every day. I mean you and I had a million conversations right right and some things I haven't seen. I would chew it. You mean vice versa but we respect each other's individuality respect how we approach it and I think that's what that's what social media distorts because as soon as we see that forty thousand people like what we say then we begin to look for the six they didn't like it. I'll share this crazy man. I shared with Philippa when I was with him that one of my deepest insecurities that is that I like to be liked if I have have a sense that someone has disdain toward me it will shut me down and I told him that he should not take and I can sense that in him. He's likes likes to be liked and I told him dude. You're wasting so much time and so much energy and you know who really snapped me out of that Tibo. I was with him last year. Last fall. We did a veterans day initiative together and I was having a pity party because I felt like some things in my life were going down the path that I had foreseen for myself and he said up in the airplane and he pointed right at me and he said nobody defines your life. Only you define your life. They don't have that right and it was such an amazing mazing moment of clarity for me. That's the real. Did you expect to have that conversation. No the difference between between me you until they really gave a damn if they like a little more. No one has ever liked me so I didn't have like you Paul fantastic conversation. We'll see you tomorrow morning and we will see all of view and turn air conditioner in Lexington. Somebody flees it. We'll be right back. You're listening to the Paul Finebaum show podcast. We we walk me back. We're so glad you're with us. We're going to try to finish strong here with the number of calls. Let's go to chuck in New York as we begin the final couple of the Lexington. Hey Chuck what's up. I got two subjects to speak about the first one is Lsu Alabama. I think that's a game of the year and if Lsu wins game even if they have one loss. I got them making the playoffs. How do you how how do you explain that one well. They beat Alabama and they have one loss. I still think they'll get in the playoffs. Well well listen. That's an easy thing to say towns grade but you better figure out what everyone else is doing because if if Clemson's already in which I think they are and and let's say Michigan or Ohio state run the table like Notre Dame lift or Oklahoma Texas than there's no room at the end right right. The other thing I wanted to say is the Syracuse Clemson game in order for Syracuse to make a game out of it. It's gotTa be the lowest scoring game that most people predict because you can't get in the shootout. Were Clemson expect to you know do good. You know what I'm saying. Yeah Well Listen I. I WanNa believe that's going to be an interesting game. I can't wait to watch it because I WANNA see I wanna see clinically tested by the second best team on on their schedule which is not very good. Hey thanks chuck great. Big Joe is up next. Hey Joe Welcome to our program Paul. How you doing buddy well. Thank you very much. I'm sitting down here watching your show on the beautiful Lake Cumberland. I'm a UK Alumna in in a season ticket holder for about fifteen years and looking forward to taking my family to Commonwealth Stadium Kroger Field Tomorrow to you are in that respect with the U. K. Win Over Florida. Yeah I think it's really important and I'm not saying that Kentucky Loses and goes seven even five or eight and four that it's going to be a cataclysmic event but I think a win tomorrow and try disrespecting this program Monday. You're not you're not going to be able to well I have a lot of faith in this backup quarterback the main question. I still have and I hope they come through as Arjan defensive back the over with the coach bill the mark stoops being that guy is I think the hill man. NBC's coaching ability to pay thank you very very much. It's Friday afternoon that can mean only one thing. Chris is next from Gulf shores. What's that no my brother Chris. What is up my man well. I hate to hear that a Matt Eighty Mahoney Aka Eddie money today you remember the old L. L. Crossroad robot. Do Okay call him perform. They're not think seventy eight third issue the health the hell show I'll give it daily Dan get for Thong was number one on this day and night thing seventy four nine thousand nine hundred seventy four that would be let me think it's not Deacon Blues. I can't even seventy six seven early. That was a Rikki. Don't lose. That number was the year before while you know that that's the ricky replicate seventy-three my brother okay. That was what I was thinking about why I got confused because there's a Deacon Deacon on Asia yes that was that was seventy-seven right they call Alabama the crimson tide and they call and they weaken blue. We did a show would do it again. What are these days one of those which one died becker or the other. Guy Becker welcome back. I've been wanting to get both those guys on the you can do the year's worth of conversation on on the on the Genesis of Deacon Blue's and I think I think I finally figured it out and you probably know the story pretty well as well. Oh Oh yeah and of course we all know where the name steely Dan came from. Yes we do saying Chris. You've got kids and even though you're married again at seventy eight you're still pretty funny. Thank you very much. Hey by the way I just wanted to a shout out to David from Clinton South Carolina. We were sitting in a hotel and Gatlinburg last week waiting for number one to get married the next day met that Bella didn't it never met him before and we ended up by each other drank and he said that is favourite. TV Show was the Paul Paul Finebaum ship. Wow Yeah it. It is a small world by the way we drove down into. Not Vegas an eight at a breakfast at the White House. There were a lot of long lived there. I I thank you earlier when we had Kevin Richardson on Kevin Richardson Kevin Hart. Who is the again? I knew your set you up that cavern. Richardson is one of the vocalists for backstreet boys always. I know that's not exactly your genre but I did. I did work. I did work one of their performances that the BJ the back in the day back on this. Here's the whole purpose of the story he was here early he was by this. He's a UK Okay Fan. Have they ever show tonight in Louisville and it really blew me away. Listen I'd familiar with the backstreet boys. I wasn't I wasn't he he did he. He did not like when I called them a boy band by the way they were but he told me he lives in. La a nearly every day when he's home. He'll have lunch and watch this show that that made me. I don't know what that made me feel. I mean the idea that Kevin Richardson and Harper Lee may have been watching and listening to this show the same time blows me away the Gila Gila blackbird and and all day long. I've been hearing fans whether the the the the Harley story hit the Wall Street Journal newsprint today and people more saying that she really listened to the show going. How do I know but but you know it really isn't that surprising when you think about she's an Alabama fan. She lives in Monroeville Bill Alabama. She died a couple of years ago for those who don't know why wouldn't you listen to the show and who lived right down the street from Truman Capote. Tell only we got some literary class. In this state might grow listen. There have been a dozen books written about Truman capote writing to Kendall bird well. I mean you know we we ain't Truman capote was Obama Fan. I thank you was Truman Capote fan that he was among other things things that we won't go into because it's a family show and I know I've got to show respect and I can't tell any of the tall tales that I got to tell back a- as a certain federal expose when he show and good yeah no. This show is terrible. It's a family show now and now we're going to listen to Asia all night. It's it's it's on my phone just to sound young well. I've I've the D. and I we'll crank it up. You're in a I. I'll tell you what if you could get Donald Fagan on your show now. That would be the coup of all happened. Uh I'm going to get him because I determined to do a I just think it's such a fascinating story because steely. Dan Is is a song that has lived on now offer what forty year yeah I mean and it's and when it came out serventi seven Alabama do they followed it up with back-to-back. Nashville and lot of people always wake wake forest connection to because of the Deacon it but anyway if anyone knows Donald Fagan and I don't I've never met him. I've been to his concerts. Please get in touch with him for me. We want to do that show and he'll he'll benefit unfit greatly by donald really needs money at this point in his career glad lately how don't drink don't drink any bourbon and while you're in Kentucky because that famous bed from tablet lower Alabama like that they do what you WanNa do Wiki and baby it. It is the weekend then Chris official. Thanks Chris appreciate the call. We have thirty minutes to go and we are coming right back. You're listening getting to the Paul. Finebaum show podcast welcome back how we our final thirty minutes in Lexington on what has been an unusually warm day for the middle of Kentucky got sick grab. More phone calls here the rest of the way at eight five five two four to seven to eight five. We've had an amazing list of guest but no more it's all yours the rest of the way William in Maryville Tennessee. How Are you William We. I mean they're paging. William Bill. Okay we'll move on to various is up next in Florida hello to various. It's going great. Thank you a love the show is that okay with you. Okay absolutely I one I got gators winning thirty four Seventeen Alexa to them got getting enough credit must go eleven and one is share my second point is I think we should the whole all the praise on Lsu but I haven't played any contenders yet. They played mostly law schools with school but also have a pack of defense. No pet don't pay decent and we've seen what happened the job era when he came to the swamp worship thera point is you know belief as a kid you know media they tear them down but you gotta understand you fix it games twelve and twelve touchdowns two of the sections. I think you have the the table I think Dan Balloons and a great job with him and I think a lot of people speaking on a gain of this shit so I do want to make a few points to come on his show and talk to those awesome a really interesting point I think I think the metrics do favor Florida's game. I do think there was some intangibles. There's so many unknowns uh-huh about Kentucky right now so I liked what you said though thank you very much for sharing appreciate it. Fred is up next in Louisiana. Hello Fred Welcome to the program Bob. Thanks for the call. Thank the first time college well. Thank you great to have you. Yes sir. Thank you I just want like apologize. All all the people that you're all week long and he got a long way to go go borough not near winning is yet and we've got a bunch of games to play before we in in the playoff that they believe bracket out all that I know we got a good thing. Yes ofo played good Saturday but you got a long way together. I'm with you lose. Well listen. I think the fans are great eight. they have a lot to be excited about hasn't bothered me one bit with anyone who said. I mean I do think there's always an overreaction either. Positively typically are negatively when you win a game and by the way not only fans everywhere. I've been it was in New York couple of days and every every analyst around was just going Gaga. Go over over Joe and the reason I mean he's he's. I'm how I'm a huge fan of Joe Borough. Those of you who watched the Media Day saw me just just lock into him because I love his confidence and I love everything about him and I hope he wins the heisman but you can't win the heisman on the second weekend of the year no absolutely not absolutely not I'm with you on that he had played equity and I'm a I'm a big time big time. Lsu Fan but we got along along with go. They will great to have you on the show. Thank you very much Red Georgia Georgia. You're on the air good name. Thank you for sharing a phone. Call Hallways Olympic okay. Hey Gordon deal and finally be Alabama. Get well. It's so interesting when you have. LSU Fans who are trying to figure that out you Georgia fans I mean I don't know right now. I think I think the obvious answer is to finish each the game and I don't WanNa go through chapter and verse what we already know for the last two years but that's really been the problem. I think Georgia had the better team two years ago. You don't think there's any question about that last year. They probably didn't but they still outplayed. I mean it doesn't matter if you coach your I'll play a team for thirty or I'm forty minutes if you don't do it when when the game ends it really doesn't matter and that's really been Georgia's problems so it's as simple as finishing the job our our backup quarterback George. He's my quarterback. It's pretty cool air going good and thank you very much great to hear from you. Yup You got Kevin is up next in Kentucky Good Afternoon Kevin. Hey Paul thanks to take McCall. Thank you very much for your what you'll get banned from your certain. I'll be perfectly honest with you. I don't know the answer to that. I love Jones. He's one of my favorite guests and he's not on tonight so go figure that one out things get hurt. I Don t giving your line. I try to be as transparent as anybody can be. 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Who's Got The Power? - Live From London Pod Fest

Mostly Lit Podcast

56:29 min | 2 years ago

Who's Got The Power? - Live From London Pod Fest

"I'm Derek. I'm Ray. Welcome back to another episode. All. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Oh, wow. We have a bit more. How you once. Welcome to let guys. Yes, we'll let another episode. I'm Ray and these two significant people next to. Reads everybody. I'm Derek suit the rec-. So do you to take it away. All right. So knowing how exalt I'll put costs as will teach other aussitot about how weeks has been was about. I mean, okay, so mostly lit. I'll let you know what the list downfall. Literature. I don't know if you guys. The young people today double impound. Loves to say that Tom and just hits. Look what books and each week with pick a book to read. And this week we have chosen the Paulo by alderman. But before we get into that dark, how's your week been? Fantastic knows well, not blinds been terrible. Work. Actually producing Newport costs. Happy about that. Manager the it, and then I kind of came in as produced. So we do not. Yes, through work. I'm 'cause I worked for penguin Random House doing it through them and leave us well for the. I mean, it depends for me. You know. Loyalty loyalty. But I've been amazing things for them. Well, there's a book I'm editon come out wish organizing last in very difficult trying to organize Twenty-one writers, especially when they're just like guys from ends really, you deadlines and stuff. Yeah. The doctor basically. So it's been hard to kind of come together. Well, everyone gave the essays in time except me and mine is four weeks. Late gear told me that. Oh, he's just finished his. Done like four months ago pressuring me editor so right. Coming out Marshall April. That's we've trapeze. Station to reading all about the struggle reminded him struggle. Yeah. Alex has unique. I have nothing to report. Week, two. Boring. I mean, it was just. Again, I probably would Derek. So this time it's just what nothing that we just constantly. So conceivable the stuff we do projects that we do. I mean, that's what I've been doing working with Kim every day. I'm anti dragging myself to record him. Yeah, that's me. Interesting, personal. Yes. I went to a what critiqued to Madrid on Friday. And I came back like seven this morning there eight this morning because lawyers wild and they just like potty uptight everyday. You calling me up. Christian. We had like my sweat retrea and my colleagues, and I just went out and everyone was like, yeah, like off to the budget, go to the apple. You don't have to see just do one and I'm like, I might be twenty five, my actual inside age. I'm like, forty-three. So Christian. You know, when you go to like these Laurie tweets retreats, and you're kind of our out Bara stuff. Yeah. Do kind of let your partners and colleagues do they offer you a drink that you drink? Yeah. You just have to say, I don't. I do. Sorry. Give me something else. I'm wearing hijab for major culture and recognize the new coach. Then. Jobbies who do drink, I guess. So. I mean, I kind of trouble. They gotta do. There there isn't going to be that assumption. Sometimes there is sometimes you can see how could they. I mean, I want to give you this drink, but I don't know. So I think just being quite open about it. But yeah, it's it's a very different type of weld. But yeah, Madrid, sir. Nice guys, food is trash. Sorry, the hobby from until the food is mine. I was like, okay, so I haven't like we had like these nice dinners and, oh my God, like I had to have KFC before going to the restaurant to eat because if it's not, I don't eat pork. If it's not poor, they're like only poke. Okay. Vegetarian, no dislike. Galley is just it's just horrific. I'm just like the food there. They're really ties because the food was horrible. I'm so sorry. Stay. Stakes them like it wasn't ways it's Spanish, cuisine. The no fishes. Teas. Okay. I was like, what is the CBS? Gusting? They just put like Sultan pepper on it. Yeah, right anyway. We do dip into film as well. Yes, we just took about. What do you in. What he read it. Say, I have this week's fun and. I read an Oscar from Berg's. Question. Wow. I haven't read this week, but I will read this week, but I've just been really busy guys planning to read and the life. Okay. Oh, yeah, I've already stopped today. I've just put it on hold for that. And the only reason why picked up because it has about on the title and to buy. And I've never seen a book that mistake once by picking up manuscript found in acros by. Willow has nothing to. He's just like proverbs just, yeah, I think he was itchy or something book, absolute terrible. Sorry, tenter. Yeah, pilot is trash. I mean, I just let people read the outcome, stats harm in their life when they're clueless. And then all of a sudden. Every time I think we this. MRs of bad books. Opinion. Ray you like that. He made to feel ashamed. Fisher don't talk. Them down grown. So anyway. Enlightenment and they need alchemists too. You know. Mation of horoscopes like you know, the metro your your life would be like this, what's? Yeah, very much. I think he needs to retreat. Anything. The death of death of no gloss. It's by Gail Jones. It's, I mean it's an meeting. What. Australia. Historian dies in Italy and is go to find him. I mean, that's all as much as I can muster. And it's just become sort of weird, mystery kind of crime being. I've never read anything for straight based in Australia before. Oh, okay. Okay. Three, two one actually smooth with reading breakfast at Tiffany's by Capote. Com. Even. Have you seen the film? No, I think I'm like I'm leaving far into the book. Nine amaze that Capote Bryant. Well. Ride the beginning of the book. There's this kind of like casual races references and make me sick. I'm beside is even either. Skews. This is. Other new box. Four. Okay. You know. I should've known that the book will be racist because obviously Capote was friends with hopper hopper lead, you know, and she was an undercover Ray system opinion as well. So. Appar apparently deal in to kill. Okay, buddies, baseball, treatment, Capote apparently, apparently apparently we have. I think he said that because they will have they grew up together idea of imposing undercover racism on someone and you don't even know that I don't be. We don't know the recipe. Yeah, but who will you to say that my dear? I'm Blackmon so therefore I can tell. I mean, I don't wanna get into this whole is to combo braces or not debate, which we've that. We think that. Guard, man, maybe we should focus on. In the way of thinking like interface, darkness, racist. It's not like each kind of like that. On the turns east, thinking about the superiority, savior, complex complex is absolutely Atticus Finch. Absolutely. Because what did you want him to do in the position that he was in? Well, firstly has a mommy in his house. That's the first thing. Second of all, he basically says he recognizes like humanity. Why doesn't delve into black people as individuals? He likes this base if someone Africa's fish basic says, I don't see race. I don't see color. That's the kind of race depend. Depend my personality. When I read it fast time I read, it was Atticus Finch for me as a child was that. Consciousness in that book when I read it and for you to say that for me, I'm just like, I've turned get it though. I totally understand where you're coming from, but I feel like you're not doing enough Justice. You use that with dancing articles. Finch would be okay with scout marina Blackman. No, you haven't read go watch. Well Senate, and I just don't want to go that. I'm interested in. It was written before them, which means that when properly roads in her mind, she already knew the cause was racers. How. Anyway. So moving on. Yes. Ace is going burn. My my view of Attica spent to conto to that live really loved him. I hate your guts. Love Africa's finish this episode. We do in the power by name alderman. Brief rundown of the book without spoilers spoil. We're not going to give spoilers because you guys might want to read everyone dies. Explain this book. Conveys a world where women develop Powell powers, basically think who Spain that showed up on a caller bone and allows them to control essentially 'electricity so they can kind of does electrically or disrupt people waves and they can control. They can heal people with it. They can do these things and men don't develop power. Anomalies have scheme. And it's basically is how women then used his power, what they do. How and what happens necks? Yes. Solis Alex. What did you think of the book? The book was really good. I was confused whether it was a general adult fiction book or young adult fiction. Why it's cost. But when we find in general fiction, but when I was reading thinking the way it's written could be fiction book just just by virtue. As well. It's definitely scifis differently Sifi over the car. A young deal with sex trafficking of yours? I'm definitely sure they probably do. They probably do in some places, but it's the more the age of the as well. So like they start developing in. They sought at what like fourteen fifteen year because an English is kids. It's not consider why are not. I think it's the way the books written and the way they handle the females that yeah, into. Two young women and men. But yeah. It's a really good book book did write me like raises questions about power and about hierarchies, and about the patriarch in various different things in the world could. Could should light. Exactly the same more or less. I think that's more than hundred women. Yeah, yeah. So. Well, I think I mean, I because well care of course, I flew was interesting. I don't people obviously put this next to books like in four, and I did. I don't think is book has anything on ninety four. I think it's like brave new world in Mel, no. In in that way, in the way that Olbermann handles Carta, she doesn't really flesh them out because he's more concerned with ideas. He's trying to the guards. Yeah, I think that there's a lack of characterization characters. Her name who went onto eve. I think quite fresh doubt, I think so. I didn't really. I didn't. I didn't connect with any character in the book Matt Maltese in the book I didn't connect with tune vivo really, no. Empathized. One of the characters could alley and tune the just journalists an allergist because they did. They did give you more context and motivation about then measure the other and. And. I wanted to ask the question enough of the question. What was your take on religion minute came to get my rotate before he asked that question. Thank you. I have issues at the book. Mainly because I think I walked into it being like, great. This is going to be about a book where women have the power and. Men. Subservient, but no, in a in a as a reaction. But just as an an I when I walked into it was very much like men are still full. However. They, it's only off the women have this power whereby they can kill men that all of a sudden shock. And that annoys me in a way because it was kind of like, well, I guess I just wanted to walk in to book where women which just powerful in isn't because they holding the reins of life. But you know, I remember where men are powerful because they, they've. They are more aggressive massively, I mean, coming from, and I think that's what that is currently the world that we live in. I don't think men are powerful because then more strong are the right now by mean I was the, I don't know this age of antiquity. This is now of trying to do something, but for me, it was annoying that women only get power as a reaction as a reaction to men being afraid of their lives and isn't really how is the actual power hits even when they started to start to develop in these these traits and characteristics. They be called, which is all be it was, I think I think you did Alex. Like, you know, when you finish the book you for that the between now and gentlemen were like, I don't want read that. Those less baseball basically shows you that that women are at the end of the book. This is no spoilers. Just the funny thing. She basically says the guy who said her and says, can you be money script? She's like, you know, very ambitious and whatnot, no-show, how probably will take it? Have you considered? You know, right in under a women's name as a pseudonym. Maybe you'll get to more trucks which basically just shows you the dynamic in the world, five thousand years off the cataclysm events of the power women are on talk about, and I think. I convinced as to them be on top two. Wasn't convinced all met mania did not like the fact that the only way they were powerful is because they could kill you kind of wanted them to be powerful. Power, how, how how's patriarchy brought to life. Because trash. But that is not over it in time. I don't think it was. Just because they could kill you ju- you know, I mean. If that was the case, women would be able to dismantle patriarchy. Now, why have we not been able to because it'd been, you've been oppressed for so long and the second. Is a system is being built on top up and built on physical aggression. That is an aspect. Develops if it was, is now a small mentality, right? Your thoughts fly that, then it develops into something. That's why I wanted this. I wanted to actual for Las Affi of women being powerful to be embedded in the psyche of people. Not just I'm back to fight a awards to happen. I know. In order for that, the shake what I say. Relation of schools and various different like people fearing the different being. Resum snobs. I mean with us of these structures with Bill because they acted great them down, destroy them terrorized. Even considering about the flood now is to wash out to start again completely because you try to run the system if a hope nation is formed, which is led by powerful women and the rest of the world is led by powerful man. You know, you need to start again, completely restart, but then how how do you start to get this way? Again, in this case is old man. Of a psych light. Now, just think just the whole destruction thing with it was just like, let's completely wipe out everything because there's a thing. Did you read about cubby? Yeah. And it was like they basically sterilized, so they cannot have sex unless woman like mix them. Anything. So we want you to control the production generally for like humanity, then you can start. The power and the actual power of being able to let people some men even found pleasure in that. Even that guy took about it was just in this very little. You see the twist on how in society. Some women say, I looked to be dominated by money in the power of it. Yeah, exactly. So it's just kind of a play. Oh, no, I didn't think it was a play on about. I thought it was. I generally thought it was. This is me showing you. I'm very powerful. This is the way in which I can do that. And yet you still sexualizing this thing that could potentially kill a good point those. I'm just like you're testing. I pop about religion, you're cartoon. The book ends up becoming mother eve, and she basically just turns the head on essentially. Those in there. And she was like, Muslims, look to Fatima Christians, Jesus to Mary kind of Catholics or something like that. I'm the mother, the mother, the song. Policy, hilarious. I don't think it would have been handled the religious aspect very well in my just because it was kind of like, okay, I understand. You're trying to say this. How religions founded. A more complicated Nuys and wondering, should she created the polar in the color. Dick that under she GPS them essentially like she didn't really create actual like. Fake miracles. Yeah, like she knew exactly what she was doing voice that she'll continue what the schizophrenic you're on. I four, Linda is you say she's world is pool in the Koran pool at a name? What's his name? Are the people who say, I'm hearing the voice of God or what. So these vision on the road to Damascus believe. Yeah, it was kind of like, did he just have a seizure or something. That voice in the alley that boys was no godly one that folks was like, kill him, kill. Could not send Abraham to kill son? Yes, but like it was a test. Okay, this is this like she was not. She was an. I mean, I mean, I. I. Go to go testament has told slow Koppelman lies. We'll see who, okay. I'm not saying that your religion. That would be I don't worry. It's also like. In the voice in alley. Was not nice like a nice person even with like the the all when you are told about God, you know that you believe in this greater good in Bali, what she. She did want to liberate women wanted to control them in her own way about four for what she for was the great good, but isn't that. Dictatorship precisely is people need. Agree. Because we were talking about remember when we had this discussion on. We had this discussion on choice feminism. Like a while they're going to bring up conversations into the light. Checking issue with regards tale like like hardcore militants feminism. Or choice feminism when as a woman, you should be able to choose everything that you do, and then they're like a different type of where says, actually, sometimes choices that you make are inherently anti-feminist. Therefore, in making such decisions, you actually just oppressing all cells and other woman even further why bright basis as always applied my thinking when I was like a panel again. And kind of like. Just applying it to feminism. And I just think we we, as you make that decision. This is just how I see it. I'm not saying that I'm not giving anybody orders or anything like that saying, you know, when people like yourself, a mentor, slavery choices, maybe even a vacuum. You're making these choices within a society that has been created around your control, join us time show, and I do like that choices that people make have consequences. And I feel like so when if someone says to me, oh, you know. Oh, you know, okay, we're fighting for the freedom of we're trying to liberate black people in that. Someone says, well, it doesn't matter. This person makes the decision they wanna make affects ours. It does amount as long as they have their choice is fine. I gonna say, that's cool. I'm, I don't really like that. You know what I mean? I'm from why read? I think that's how some radical feminist thinkers. Well, they don't be twist feminine or they say towards the end of them. And then I was kind of like, that's why I was really an bacteria when the I initially I told you I'm ready against the, I think, choice feminism's implicit. I'm coming to understand like the idea of. Choices that you make on Maidan innovative at the same time. It's like, how do you then tell tell someone. We want to free you from like this. Oppression, but then you also can't make the decision that you want to make you alternately happy. And then I guess it's that whole want. Yes. And when is the Walker and be one? My initial problem is go. You're still going to be in a bit of pain essentially. And that's my win living until we're like two hundred. I mean, and this patriarch has been going on. So fish to be fast for yourself? Head of the struggle. Yeah. In. I have problems at this guy. It's a difficult one. If out that gun. Rule under mother age structure. It's let's make the decisions that are great for all of us by the same time, they'll be some of you who suffer, right? But then it's like, is that correct? Because then when give me a time line. Okay. So basically patriarch is going to end in twenty sixty so cool. Maybe if I make vision. The deadline is nobody really knows anything. You're offer a deadline. This contained to keep going. I mean. Play together. Mavi is coming from, you know, like because know, take take our. She tweeted something the other day. She was like. She's she's a writer. She wrote the little black book. She basically two issues like you guys are lucky that women only want quality and not revenge, and that's enough million. I mean, so what might have it? Yeah, there's an. Revenge in the book of engine. The book. Kula more like it was great. Then you've got the idea that which then become like that the whole is to liberate women from the well. Then you have the factions which people are more radical sects which are alive or kind of people out here, like subjugate in everybody to fear. Some people are controlling people by religion. People out here, controlling them by politics and whatnot. There's that issue that when it comes to revenge, you can't really control. There was no girls, no control. It was just like this stage is big, light blood last kind of. Even today every with all the different types of oppressions. Do you think the only way in which we can get house of that is that initial is going to be chaotic, blood, fueled rate under all the way to think, but then he'd be laughed less. Be realistic, I, this is why. I think if there's going to be a revolution elvi- w there will be wherever they is going to have to be bloodshed because at the midday and stars, Paul was not put in place without bloodshed. So how'd you? Why do you think you can go. But it's like be like while will three but very. Even mobile. When I say blush, this law, they're mood, I think, no, no, no, no, that's what I'm saying. But I'm just saying in order for real new Gration some lies would probably be lost. I think that's just that's us how it's not nice that we thing. That's cool. I'm saying. I'm just telling people. Depressing. You see the the way now Olbermann ends. The book is kind of like notes from what I got from anyway, I'm not no spoilers. Is that what she's trying to say? I might be wrong is that no matter who was the power to side to wind up the same? So what's your saying is we don't go power power will us some really maniacal people in this box. I, I read a review of this and to fac- what the young lady was saying that that idea is inherently anti-feminist because she basically paints women's reactions to the power as exactly the same in all coaches countries. Everybody reacts to the power to same and you know, I mean, what do you mean present as hasn't uses it to her or her dude. I mean. While is what, what? What did you guys being? Do you think that there is a way to build power doubt will ultimately create a different world? All? Do you think that issue? We're just going to create way. So there was this question about the Isreaeli in the book and they would. I all ready put in women trained to go into the army tobao using using this game and the power. So when you start to when people start to when people being properly arrive. So women power now, let's see. Is it to strengthen our nation nuts when and what together with the nation dots. When you can. Recommendation? Yeah, because they inherit me. The thing is is how utilize about depending on what the nation's values anyway. So if you go strong identity in that nation and they said, we want more women in the police force. We want more women doing this. I never because of the nature of our you. To say that that starts, that's what they, that's how utilize it. So do you think they should join thing? We should be overthrow starring mainly because like if you're now say on great, like you have the skill you can kill people. Please come and join our police force the country. Maybe you're gonna kill more black men on the street. No, no. I mean, it's just most is just like to me, you are not toppling down infrastructure that inherently makes the socities level playing field for women. I think what patriach he does well, right and capitalism duster well is it's been a t to take something and to sell it right. Even feminism like I have a rule, I sometimes have a real issue when I see feminist like slogans on t shirts. Right? Because I'm just like like you're feeding this really amazing ideology is here to empower us all taking might maybe thousand t-shirts printing out name. Problem. Like some poll women making that poor children who are not being. Paid enough money, and then you're going to sell that on top show up and then we're going to buy it. Do you know? I mean, it's like the cats. This. It's just annoying. So I just like with without completes, I'm not trying to be not old. It's completely destroyed the world, but without an actual understanding of how the intricate levels of social economic infrastructure and how it really destroys people's lives. You can't just take something it'd be all that great. Let's add in. I think it could needs to. Got into the country. Obviously, they've got in the MoMA women have this power, put them into the defensive. He's the man printed who's obviously whoever's guarded government. It's the channels to get to these bases woman in impotence. And she finds a way that the woman who kills the male. I can't. When you when you win. Talking to myself. Like, what can they do? You know your book on black radicalism. Facing said ternary? Yeah. If if if a straw ever, basically, if an institution is inherently racist, putting more black people in that eliminate the races. So if institution is inherently sexist, women. Therefore we have to tell the whole thing down. So therefore, if the world, if society is inherently sexist in order to create a new society, you have to just on some things, you have to get rid of everything. To understand the commodification. Sorry, this is episode of black mirror with that sexy man. You know what? He's, he's basically the thing to throw and he's talking about, you know, this talk you for for q. and then to to night of commodified him and he's on selling telling the knives, stuff like that. Therefore, like is easy to commodified pain or Reverend forever aggression. Bob, I think the system commodified that that's what we will break down because the can is cycle. But my only problem is other people pay enough attention to off this destructions done and we have complete hails. What next. That's the most important part because we're very much about yet as break the Simpsons down. Let's tear it down. Okay. Well, you've done that. What next he was going pick up the reins who's going to clear out your mess. And and how do you then blocks? No, no, no. I think to know how to build the blocks, whereas now equality in the society that we're in and just being so much like, okay, how do we tear it down and then destruction, and then it's easy to to if we do what we know. Right. So we'll probably make the same system again. I mean with onto. Going to always get top. I definitely some really interesting. Why did you not like to? Okay. So this is why didn't to. There's a guy in here who's a generalist and his name is tune day. He's my Jaren journalist. He goes around different countries to highlight. The rebellion essentially and how women he goes to Saudi Arabia. He meets this woman couldn't were, and she's like, yeah, women can't drive in this country. So let's blow up these cars. And he's basically journalist who works for CNN. That's. Probably not making that much money. For the for the stuff of the content, given five thousand. Yeah, I know. Yeah, it's actually, he goes around showing the world. Badian and these women. And I didn't like that because. Still like. In a wealth of women are betting its demand of telling the woman's story, and he's the one going around showing the weld and he's writing this massive book, right? And I was like. Perspective in the book this mess, not forget I toward. In order for me to always need rebut. We'll say, I'll have to give something away. Oh, should I have a moment? 'cause wrong. I don't want to because people it's a massive spoiler. Spoiler let me okay. Pay, we'll basically tune. They has his works by women and she takes credit for it. And then so basically because the perspective in which the story was worth and message to credit for it, which is a very man thing to do by the way. The point. I just like you can with. Exactly con because she's like, she's saying, oh, actually stolen the story. He's telling the story just doing the things that she seen or two is not like what she like. She today the sleeps with that, nor woman and wash. She's going to say no, no sleeps with him. Yes. Share. Yeah. Yeah. I like the book. I enjoyed Kimsey of things to talk about, but it's victory. Well, while I was quite surprised, she's amazing. Like it's Verson reading. Well. I wonder what she's going to follow this up with. I don't know about secret. I wasn't going to the power the name though. Just. Why would you not. Bye. About. Skiing united. Say out loud. Oh, really? Weird. So I know we normally do that mostly flits about movie. Haven't planting. I want to bring a movie and. But even have watch the maybe we con. Okay. Jerry Maguire. I've. I see. While in close vista budget. I want to know recently, I think. Yeah. What did you guys think movie where you couldn't you like? I'm not that I like because this is the first role I've seen Tom Cruise, and he's not doing that impossible stuff. Also. He did. His his show. And when he was married to Katie Holmes, he'd have to platform hill. I'd like the metro. I saw it on the Daily Mail. This was like when I was reading young guys, Donald. About goblin anymore. The epic. Obviously toxic toxic masculinity. He didn't want to be seen as speed short next as woman x. woman. Yeah, obviously the commerce. 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It was just like casing all over the place like, okay, we get it wasn't every like intellectual Phil was. Nice tree. What that. It was used in way too much. Oh, while brand be nice to these wife, we're using. He. Doing a lot. About what by the question that poses rather beginning that Cutie Paju morals before your actual grab for money that women the mess in the first place. Yeah. Definitely. You mean. Around to the end of the career. You of contract by and you read the contract and the contract you knew would basically could two hundred and fifty thousand women angel. All I did for women by. So. So would you. You say, I'm working on this contract. What my parents. Humanity, which two weeks away. There's even. Where he's trying to take people with him. And she's like. She's like, my pay rises in three weeks. Like to think that I would make the right choice, which is to meditate. Meditate on just. I think the I think that choice. What did we all right? But you know, spokesman teeth annul mortgages needs to be paid pose children. Is sometimes very easy to turn the blind eyebrows, horrific. And I think more people do it than than we'd like to turn to Justice. Rain, anything to find the tomb Corning point place. Hello. Shut up. Wife. What. Genius cacti. He was a. Annoying. And then he became folks when he's lying. Jerry tell me what to sign, I'll signing him. But in the end when he's crying, get eleven million, eleven point, four million, you're happy. You're happy. Man, because he always tried to tell Jerry life. The west. Even in the video shows, it was really. I mean, imagine your husband, you're married that marriage in the new. Just see that he's into you. Wow. So don't people. Wow. Plenty. Now. Yeah. Brady. On the next in hill say, this is like nothing hill because it's not that raise. No, it's just it's corners. Middle Crossman. Okay, cool. Today, universals, I really to flex us what the I q grunts his quoting. He's and you can relate to that. Got this. Stop being an older person. Much more game that he got. Thank you. Dashing middle costs. What Boyd about is wearing getting by? I actually didn't like. What's her name? Judy. Her character. I just felt like. Like I just felt that all, you know, I'm an actress and betide me. I con beads. I know I just was okay. Very day when they were like even out the, you know, the brownies. So she stays by? Yeah, I just don't think it's amazing of British from calm, and I think is the. That makes the Four Weddings and a funeral. Richard. I leverage. The role talking about the, I don't know much. Why. On amazing. To truck legs. That's what they say. Massoud McAfee. He's still okay McPhee. And then he goes to his love. Now that can in number down the street. Yeah, I think that's. Christmas, boom, peer drivers makes the best from ever. Period dramas appear drum room commission on top. Yes, it can be a problem. Call a romantic comedy period, drama gaffe. Mom. That's a comedy, right? That's not a comic news. Period, always funny, fucking Larry, Ismay. She's a bit more. I really do. Incredible persuasion is with the best books. Everson. Thanks very much. Cool. Okay. We're gonna start rumbling on now I'm gonna do is his open the floor TI any mental care related. Yeah, but the first. Have a question about the front. I know. The pleasure rates of Bassett. Nice question Derek. My pleasure is tweet have probably never heard of this. Basically, there's a ex politician comedian writer, cooed Giles brand drip, and he writes, these also. Supposed to wild murder mysteries right with us the wilds partners with. His name, he wrote shut up homes. Against gay and they so mysteries ago and start. This is fantastic. People being rated June. I mean, they think this pony and that's my degree yet done the the Rosie project. I loved John obeys NAR. I mean, it's lovely. I would not be afraid of saying, I read the project. Yeah. What's your. My guilty pleasure is everything so he can set up on. So sorry, I said that out. Over that Brown. I'm not shamed of saying, I love down and I'm not talking about the Davinci code or whatever for digital fortress. It's one of the best best, but it's really cool. And I just think that you I know really route. You need to stop bringing this up radio, offended, Ryan's man. I like I read all the origin was not good at home. Would you consider. Yeah, but like hold them has a baby and I love them and I read them all of summer before such diverse. I'm going to redo the Catholics and Catholics and I never. The classics like Soviet ornaments. Very, very, and war, and peace and all our rubbish. Yes. I like I love to read to free Chattan guys, Mitra Fiat he how came? Okay. Jeffrey outta. Okay. I love to even though he's very proper problematic, take anyone to prison and he's probably an asshole. Owner, the above, Canaan, able. Cool guides which are. That's me. Tend to be crying fiction. Yeah. I mean, like it's. Arthur to recruit on John and. And. To the Hong Coburn. Okay. Linda, Barclay. Jay. Yeah. The higher of the tracks? Yeah. X point his. Fiction type against. I go to get to you which quite see. That's what I'm saying, those crime books. But then there's like the proper the cash looking now in terms. After governing, it's terrible. The dragon tattoo. A woman. Stink. Oh, wow. Okay. Criminal is the ones that you just to pay split in straight action, not much, not much depth tool. Twilight books to our my car. Yeah, I did that guys. Well, have you done fifty shades. I have you had anyone head on fifty shades hand up. Any questions. Cutting. Fantastic. Choose world. Thank you. If you guys go into send, you can catch us on Twitter adversely, let Instagram. Obviously it pod. Iteens soundcloud goal everywhere. I now to see guys other events to have any announcements is totally them Kathy stars all the way down the. Yeah, I was in Wales slot. Wales. 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1:59:15 hr | 2 months ago

Good Morning, Good Night with GMGN // 27/01/21

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TBS185 - Reinvigorate Your Practice

T-Bone Speaks Dentistry

40:07 min | 1 year ago

TBS185 - Reinvigorate Your Practice

"Good Day and welcome back to another week of the t-bone speaks podcast. I want to as always take a moment to thank each of our regular listeners. For spending your time with US each week and for our new listeners as well I'm of course. Join my phenomenal host. Meredith Cooper Jones. And we are practicing social distancing now new studio so so what's up meredith not much. We're just practicing social distancing activities. We're getting called up. I think most people right now. We're a week into the offices. Lot more quiet two weeks. Yeah we are. The most offices are probably we. Did it a thing a week before everyone else. So I think everybody's getting called up and starting to practice their social distancing burnell everyone is. My wife is worried about me. I've been sleeping twelve and fourteen hours a day. Yeah so never done that in your whole life so I think she called you and said start showing up to the house to work So that you can So we took. What was it almost three miles this morning. Yeah so we went on a walk this morning where Trying to stay busy. We we know you guys out there. WanNa be busy so we'll hopefully be getting more more content out to you well. I don't know how many of you guys out there are feeling like me where it's just this this. Malays this overwhelmed. This angriness this worry. All of this and I think it's been catching up to me and going for that walk. This morning was fantastic. It was nice to breathe. Some air is nice to see other people. It was nice to have a conversation although I was huffing and puffing so I didn't talk very much by the social distancing of staying six feet apart he stayed sixty behind and he used the social distance as his excuse to be so far behind but that was very easy for me to make I was. I was working hard to only be six feet high so back before when we could actually go to restaurants a few weeks ago t-bone and I were at lunch. We rarely get a lunch. So we were like let's run over to aaa and he was telling me about this article that he had read an INC magazine so low. I think that was really cool. Like let's talk about how that relates to dentistry. Yeah you know chipotle Taco Bell in dentistry right. No so I I was. I read this this this article in INC magazine and I say when I read it it was online INC magazine But it was. It was quite interesting actually talked about how chipotle lay had came out of the gates phenomenal in doing unbelievably well and then they were hurting. Taco bells business. And then he talked about how Taco Bell had caught up and started hurting chipotle as growth in their business. And then it talked about how you know. In the focus of the article was how Capote then re re came about how they can turn things around to To then start beating Taco bell again and I thought it was quite interesting. I thought it was unbelievably interesting and I wanted to build a podcast around that. Yeah I mean I think we can relate it to Turning things around in your practice or kind of reinvigorating your practice when things start to fall behind a little bit or maybe you don't even you're not moving forward. I think a lot of times. What happens is I thought about this. I said man I went to Poland. They're all doing great right. You know minus a few food scares and things but a lot of times when I when you talk to dentists and you say you need to turn things around your practice they give you that. Look like what do you mean? We're doing good. I'm like well but that's part of the problem right. You don't know what would happen if another practice moved across the street or if a D. S. O. Came in around you and I think that's that is the number one challenge for most. Dentists is is focusing on the future. Not just hey it's going. Well it's going. Well it's going well but what may happen you know doesn't mean you're because if I say you need to turn your practice around. It doesn't mean that you're declining where you're losing money. It just means that you become stagnant and to me I think the real answer what I what I took from this article was how chipotle reinvigorated themselves and how as dental practices dental practitioners as practice owners. How we can reinvigorate ourselves and I mean when we had this conversation when I read this article covert thing wasn't going on but I think it really kind of plays into what's going on right now in that in the sense that it's a great opportunity. Were sitting around doing a lot of nothing. How are we going to reinvigorate ourselves? What do we need to do? What can we do and I think we should talk about that. So a couple of the things. They said that they used For AAA to make that push was modernisation talent and emotionally intelligent marketing. So I think those are all things three things we could start with. I mean it is twenty twenty so I think modernization is is kind of a given. I would like the press control delete. Yeah Two thousand twenty unplugging play weeks I'll be back in two twenty twenty right now we're like not in a year but To police did things to deliver obviously. They're not delivering but they're using another company to make their services better. So they used companies like grub hub. Door DASH UBER eats They upgraded their APP so people could order from their phone. They encourage mobile orders. They do like free promotions with mobile orders but ultimately that saving the people time and money if they're giving them free things so that's giving them that purse to one order from them. Sit in the line at Taco Bell. Yeah you know so I think they dentistry. We can do delivery. That are a service not a product. Most of the time right. But there's so much that we can learn today. It's about modernisation. I've been talking about modernisation for years. Now we can't deliver dentistry. We can't we can have an APP. I don't know how great an APP is and you can't really like mobile ordered dentistry right. But what can practices due to modernize? Yeah okay. So let's look. Let me talk about that a little bit. Okay so I call that dental dental consumer or patient centric strategies. Okay in other words being strategic That are patient focused cable so the first thing that comes to mind and this is something that I'm not doing myself but it came to my mind. I was implementing membership plan in other words. We always talk about being less insurance focused and being able to draw in patients that don't have insurance and a membership plan is a great way to consider doing that now. I personally don't have a lot of experience with membership plans but I know that Friends of mine and practices that I trust have done very well with membership plans So that's one option in other words. That's very patient friendly Another thing that That we do have experience with that has been working pretty well for us. And that's using a website chat and other words making it easy for patients to communicate with us. Nobody wants to pick up the phone anymore especially at work like Maradona. Wouldn't like it if you're at work and I see you talking on the phone to some gain appointments appointments but I probably would never say anything if I walk by and you're doing it right right so it's kind of the same thing there okay. So website chat allows your patients or your potential patients when they come to your office to ask questions to request things to communicate with you without having to communicate with you and the truth. This is the way chat works. You can actually communicate with so many people at one time doing it. So Having a website chat would be certainly a great strategy as well. Another thing that we are doing that a lot of people have a lot of fear about is online scheduling. I think it's been great and I would say that online scheduling is equivalent to the mobile ordering has been awesome for the team. Awesome for the patients. I mean there's so such little work and to put that on and I think there's a lot of unknown in fear around online scheduling. You know we. I looked at it because it took me a long time to get on the online scheduling bandwagon. But I look at it as Patients you see your schedule right right and it's so much absolutely but but really online scheduling frost the way we do online scheduling is is. We essentially let patient schedule new patient appointment. We have blocked times that available and then we allow patients to schedule recalls okay so we have blocked times with reels. Appoint available so we don't allow them to schedule like fillings and credit. Because they don't know how much time that takes and all of that and then we use it as a easy way and then we get an immediate notification and then our team reaches out so it's not like we just let them schedule and then don't see till they show up but you know we use that as a as the easy way for patients to come in so instead of having that conversation like what day works for you this time that time and it's not like they can choose nine o'clock when nine fifteen or nine twenty. It's it's like blocks like in other words. I don't know our exact blocks with nine o'clock or ten thirty. It's not like you can choose something in between so you kind of set those parameters and it's worked out quite nicely for us. Yeah another area that I thought about that. We've been doing for a long time is digital communication. We use a program called revenue. Well in that practice there are other programs like Smile reminder demand for 's lighthouse. Our friend Gina Dorfman at Yappy. So there's all these products out there that allow you to communicate with your patients digitally and that to me is things like E Mail Mass emails That could be things like follow. Ups On treatment plans that could be and should be recall. Reminders appointment reminders. The just what I call staying top of mind in other words having an automated system that always let your patients know. You're still there that you still care about them. Whether they care about you were not may not may be a different story But I think that's certainly a very important as well and then something new that we've put into our practice in the last six to nine months has been digital forms that's allowing new patients to fill the forms in on an IPAD in our case or online Doing consents doing referrals. Trying to get rid of a lot of the paper in our practice and we're using revenue L. Forms To do that and it's worked out quite well We started with a couple of ipads at the front. And we've we've liked it so much that we've now put an IPAD in every opportunity in the practice. So that way we can do our consents and we're slowly starting to move a lot of our stuff too. That'd be a good episode to do maybe to bring Michelle in and talk about what we've moved to the ipads in the opera toys. And how that's working out. Yeah and also with since we've put these online. A lot of patients are doing them at home before they come in. They're not flustered. They're not running late and then they're having to sit there and fill out paperwork puts US behind so it's really been beneficial absolutely and again. I think it also sends a message to patients that these are the things that are experiencing out in the real world right in in normal everyday and so it makes them realize that the dental practices kind of keeping up or certainly member on new patient to use not a new patient dentistry. Generally speaking so they've had a different experience somewhere so you can kind of put them at ease that you're definitely modern practice and a modern practice typically People believe a modern practices a better practice whether that's true or not as different story and then of course I put this in here. Clinical technologies things cad cam cone beam digital impressions Things lasers all of these technologies are way to modernize the ones. I talked about earlier. Certainly more affordable but clinical technologies are important. I think more and more patients are expecting some of these things so those are some of the things that For the most part we've been doing that I've been talking about for a long time In terms of modernizing practice. And you know I still have that saying I remember sitting in high school and listen to the song by junior high school to be quite honest with you. We're going to party like it's nineteen ninety nine. And now we're twenty years past nine hundred ninety nine so It is two thousand twenty. So it's time it's time that Dentistry enters that world and there are so many products out there that do have a lot of room in a practice and I wanna be clear about this part people here all of this stuff and they get overwhelmed one by one you know. Make it a twelve month plan. Make It a twenty four month plan. Maybe you know pick. Which of these is the most important to you right now. Which of these will make the most impact in your practice and choose that one and get it going and then come back can do the second one and then come into the third one. Don't try to do all of these things at one time and I. I've lost sight of that because I've been doing so many of these things certainly on the technology side for fifteen years or so and some of this new technology for you know years so I have this advantage of showing the big picture but I forget that we implemented everything one step at a time so I wanNA give permission that. It's okay to not have all of this in place. It's not okay to not have a plan to slowly and steadily get it in place. Yeah and I think as you've gotten each thing in place you've had to continue to grow Just because we started digital communication that was one step towards digital for right it. Was you know so it kind of goes in line with patients absolutely okay? So the first thing we'd said was the modernization of AAA trying to take over Taco Bell So the three things were modernization. Talent and emotionally intelligent marketing. So we'll move onto talent We've talked about this a lot. I think people are the problem but also the solution so Cipolla said they had become stagnant and slowly lost. Its way they brought in new blood which brought fresh enthusiasm and they also moved to a new headquarters so I think those were both ways that they use the people that they had to build. Yeah I think there's a lot there's a lot there that can directly be translated to dentistry May So they had become stagnant. I think a lot of US listening to this would agree that there. Many parts of our practice that are stagnant. They had you know. They had focused on their rapid growth. And they'd lost that that that vision that culture and I would say for one hundred percent certain our practice at lost some of its vision and culture and direction over the last couple of years because we had just been focused on so many different things that we needed that time to get back in and really redefine who we were and what our mission and our charge was and then they moved to a new headquarters and so moving to a new headquarters. You know you can move to a new office. You can reinvigorate your office with new stuff and we happen to have redone renovation over the last What what did take us. Almost two years to rennovation. You know we slowly change out. All our old chairs the chairs I had were from nineteen th two thousand when I opened my practice in two thousand and one So I you know they were at that point. Seventeen eighteen years old so we had updated that same with the cabinet. The Cabinet Tree. I had some of it was from two thousand. Some of it was homemade stuff that we had had built when we moved into the new building in two thousand and eight and refreshing the. Tv's all these things and and again. I didn't come it at looking at it as getting it all done. In one time I had to budget out I had to not just budgeted out but also implemented out and so then we you know we made some of those changes you know. I put some really nice stuff in our practice and we kind of did that But now let's come back to the people in the talent. Yeah well I just have one thing about remodeling the office is. I've seen patients in the dental chair. I've seen them in the console room and let me just tell you the car. Console rooms are beautiful but they were much less money than the dental opera. Yes good question. I have never had a patient walk the Dental Laboratory and say oh the chair so beautiful. They walk in the console rooms and say this office is so beautiful so it doesn't always take a ton of money to just update a few things. It's just paint right. Yeah and I mean we did upholstering right. Yeah so I just wanted to add that that it's not always having to go above and beyond all at once absolutely and that's one of the key messages that I'm working on it. Being more clear about is not all at once but having a plan right and that's important so when it comes to the people I get a lot of grief about this one thing okay I have said publicly and privately that having the same team members for too long can not is but can be a bad thing and what I what I really mean by that is stagnancy. Complacency you know at the end of the day if if if I have the same team members for twenty years more than likely my practice is twenty years old and most of the things. We're doing twenty years old and so every time we brought in somebody new. I always said what were you doing at your own. It wasn't about spying but I was just trying to get an idea. What are other people doing? What can we do better? What can we implement? And I think there's a lot of value in having turnover and so many consultants out there trying to say. How do you stop turnover and and I look at it very differently? I look at it as that if I'm not having turnover. That means that either either. I'm unbelievably lucky in just throw or I'm making it too easy for my team members. I'm not pushing them hard enough or I'm not surrounding with people that are looking to grow. And so so I think there's a there's a distinct disadvantage in having the same team members for too level firmly believe that and especially team members in the same position. I think sometimes they as they grow with you and they've adapted and change. That's totally different than having someone do the exact same job. I'm glad you brought that up meredith that that is a great point. I'm I'm not saying you need to turn people over but I'm saying that they need to turn overs in some way in other words like let's I'm GonNa use you. As an example again you came in as an intern Doing just sterilization at that time. Then we made you an assistant and then we made you run office so to me. That's turnover even though you didn't turn over like physically but your position turned over because when we moved you from an assistant to the front that means we had to have somebody else in the back. So it's not all about changing people but the people changing positions as well so that the learning now you're not even in the practice technically now you with with three D. DENTISTS. So that's kind of part of that employees too long in the same position. I'm really glad you brought that up. Another area is not consistently regularly coaching team members. I gotTA admit to easy not to. Sometimes I think well I find that. Typically most team members across the board aren't going to be asking for a of coach to easy and let them run and and so before you know it becomes the inmates running the asylum to a certain degree. And I'm not saying that a negative way but we've got to consistently regularly coach. T. members and one way that I recommend. I got two specific points on this one is. I recommend that you block off an afternoon every month to do clinical case presentations to your team members. And you put up cases and you. You tried to dial everybody into diagnosing the same and having the verbiage in other words role playing patient pictures and x rays to see how everybody's diagnosing. I think that's been sued. I've seen I don't know if you've been in some of those meetings. I've seen one or two but I've seen the team members really engage because the front office have no idea what we're doing. The hygienists have no idea what I'm doing on the clinical side and the clinical team doesn't have an idea with the hygiene team's doing and there's this broken disconnect between people and I think having that afternoon together it's not a meeting where we go over numbers in stock a walk through. It's it's. It's a coaching session. It's it's and right. Now we're focused on really calibrating. Everybody together The second thing that I saw a lot of results with Was Doing some co telephone coaching. And what I mean by that. Was We have the ability and we call us so we record our inbound calls and then once a week once every couple of weeks or maybe during this after meeting we play these calls and then it's unbelievable. I. It's weird but I promise it's not helpful. I mean we saw immediate immediate improvement from the first time I did that. Nobody wanted to do it. All it's not about the way you're talking to people. I don't think it's about the way you're treating people it's about the verbiage it's it's the The the verbal diarrhea and not directly answering questions or you know allowing the callers to take ownership of the hall when really the practice should be owning all in directing patients. So I think there's a lot of benefits in regular coaching of team members Here's another one that I'm a big believer in I believe you need to bring in outside people for a different perspective. You may not like what they say and you may not put in what they say But I think this is one of the things that we hear lot at three dentists when dentists bring the team members. They're like I just needed you. I've been saying the same thing. I just needed you to say it. Because then they believe it and it's the same for my team I need. I need Paul Homily to come in and train my team on the same things. That payment is when Utah Sully. Something on this really good idea. He's like that's idea exactly. So that's my best example so so there's value in bringing in outside people and that outside person can be as simple as you wrap. It could be another team member from another office. Another dentist but not the same dentists that you always hang out with things like that. Just I really good to just go places in here. What other people are doing consultant? Any you know like I work with Holly Brian. And she's been a very different perspective right and so I don't like a lot of what she says. Okay but I also do pick and choose what we implement and I also give her a little bit of leeway because I trust that that she's going to help us get to a lot of the places so get outside. Help get bring in outside help for another perspective another thing. That's very important to me when it comes to talent is creating the culture of safety fail. I always use you as an example of this and we gotta get past this thing where we want people not to make mistakes. I hear all the time when I speak as you know. You're refreshing you. Show your failures. I'm like of course we learned the best mistakes and then I always turn the conversation around. Say so how do you let your team fail? And then they always have this look and and I think we have to create this culture where it's okay to take a little bit of a risk. Yeah it's okay to say the wrong things on the phone. It's okay to lose a case sometimes because of bad verbiage but what's important and all of that is that we gotta do the Accountability in the coaching from it. It's it's and I hope my team members have this feeling that they're not gonNA get in trouble when they make a mistake. Yeah as long as like I say just justify what were you thinking? Let's leave the water on otherwise talk about which we go fix this Melissa. Another thing team members not knowing the score you know not knowing what what is their role in the practice. Like I use Whitney as an example. Her main role is to support me. So what's important to me right now? Is Implants correct from Whitney side? So Whitney should know how many implants are we doing. What's in the pipeline? Where we with these cases knowing the score hygience knowing the floride numbers the payroll numbers the case presentation numbers there. Reappoint numbers you know. Having individuals have certain responsibilities so they know this yes. It's important for them to all know the practice numbers and things like that but it's also super important for them to know their individual numbers so there needs to be some scoreboard for each team members. Well and then something. That's been unbelievably important to us. Has Been Developing champions. Who own a service product you know Whitney owns implants practice? Liz On sleepnumber practice says owning Orthodontics in our practice and Melissa owns medical billing and our practice. Michelle owns you. Know the Front Office and Upright and new patients and Meghan owns big cases in a practice One of Jensen's Perio in practice. You know so that way. There's there's a level of ownership that for growth and it doesn't just have to be. I'll use madison. Madison owns insurance. Ar Madison owns recalls. That's her ownership. She she's the champion of that. And what I find is that everybody wants to have some ownership in something so if you if you can really assign people and then coach him with that and then hold them accountable and then all set goals and check in regularly and move with them you know and give them a clear path. You'll see tremendous tremendous improvement in your practice so those are some of the things That I thought of when when I read this article about the talent side of what chipotle was doing to regain Being the darling compared to all the polling Taco Bell who's not even close no comparison. Well we've started with modernization. We just talked about a talent. T-bone went into the people being the problem and the solution and then we also have emotionally intelligent marketing. So I think this one's interesting because Aaa saying they became stagnant and slowly lost their way. So it's like you know when you wear scrubs and you don't realize you're gaining weight because it just happened so slow. You were closed the dolphins. Yeah so they brought in new blood which bought refreshment and enthusiasm when they did the talent. So for this one. They needed to revamp their marketing. They were doing it. The old school way the word of mouth marketing which is how I think our office was going for the magazine and that was kind of us to revamp our marketing. Yeah you know I think what happens. Is You know AAA came out of the gates as a new company you practice. Let's say and they They treated people well they had. They were the darling they would knew they would novel And and they just grew from that. But then you reach a point of saturation. Where the next step in growth really requires something different and a chipotle japodlay had relied on old school traditional word of mouth marketing. That's why they created a case of last year and now the white guy so I think so So listen word of mouth. Marketing is valuable and it works quite frankly. It's probably the best. Those patients are the best there. There's not enough. There's not enough you know. There's just not enough right and when we're terribly poor and how well we ask for referrals and things like that so so I came to this realization. And we're starting to do this in our practice. So if you subscribe to my facebook page and on facebook for our office rally dental arts you'll see more and more of this coming out in the C. The concept is people buy from people. I firmly believe this like nobody comes to us. Sleep APNEA FOR SLEEP APNEA. They come. Because it's Aaron or myself or sully they don't they don't come to deacon learn implants and a lot of people but they come because you know our our methodology our technique or whatever it is really a culture fits with people and so the same thing people buy from people if you give people no differentiation. No choice they will choose. Dso's or starbucks or home depot. They now or what's easy for them to know. Correct so so I. I'm a firm Believer Right. Now are marketing and we have the magazine mentioned that. Gilead mark and did a phenomenal job for us on the magazine. And it definitely sets US apart. But it's targeting certain things and certain procedures But I think I'm marketing has to be more people focused and I talk about personal branding a lot and and making the customer the hero not the dentist or dental practice and I think it also has to be very google driven. And what do I mean by that in other words? Well that's part of it but also thinking about what are people searching for like if Meredith? I asked you going back to the time when you did. Our ortho part of our practice. What was one of the most common questions patients would ask you? How much is it going to be great? So let me ask you this. How many of you that. Listen to this mayor just off the top of her head. Not knowing that I was GONNA ask this the first question. She said that patients. As how much is this going to be now? I'm GonNa ask you listening myself included wherein you website. Can you get that question answered you can? You probably can't but it's the most common question we get so that people driven market in them talking about is answering these questions. There's a website called answer the public. So if you go to answer the public dot com you type in dental implant type in invisible line in will spit out at you all these common questions all these phrases that consumers that people are putting into the Google to look for answers. And all you gotta do. Is You take those questions and those phrases and you enter them and you put that on your website so Qa video answer common questions. In other words I haven't shown you some of these but I've recorded some of these for the office and you see when we team members right so this used to be part of our nonproduction bonus right and the girls would each ask a question. What do I do if my invisible button comes up? How much is this gonNa cost and I would never say the price but I would say you know. We've seen it around one hundred ninety nine dollars a month. Whatever it is right now or sometimes you say the price. Yeah like you know starts at. I have no problem telling somebody online that a hybrid is twenty five to thirty thousand dollars right because then that way. If they read that they will come in handy so so a great book to read is called they ask you answer by Marcus Sheridan again. Nothing's new under the Sun. This nut stuff that I've made up myself but do make a commitment this time to make a weekly video where you answer common questions. And then turn them into blogs in other words entered on video because then it can be transcribed. It can be turned into a blog. You have a video for Youtube. You have a video for social media you can then transcribe it and turn that into a blog for your website and all of these things over time will start helping in two ways one. It'll help your seo get better and then to. It'll help answer questions for your patience before they come in or even after they come in you know. Imagine being able to send a thing out to your patient. So these are the common things patients run into. Once they started in vigilant right and what happens if a button pops off what happened for trade doesn't fit how to know if you trays not fitting moving. Imagine having all of these things on your website for patients to come to okay so and I don't think I've done a good job of explaining that to our team members of why they're doing these videos but that's part of it the other thing is are you capturing patient. Testimonials patient stories. You know. There's no excuse. Yeah I think people are scared to ask. They're scared to ask the patients to do a video. But I mean we've had patients who let me go home and get ready and I'll come back like they feel like they're like Raleigh's latest influences like they love it and it's so easy right okay. Because here's what you need for a couple of hundred bucks. You can create a phenomenal studio in your practice. You get a ring light on Amazon. You've seen them. I have them all over the place. There one hundred dollars they have a little phone attachment and you attach your phone to it and then record testimonial in a quiet upper talk and then you just wheel that thing in there you the light on so you have good lighting. You put your phone on their capture the audio and if you want for ten dollars you can get along wired Look at how Lapel. Microphone that plugs into your phone and then you get even better audio so for one hundred and fifty bucks. You can have exactly what you need to take phenomenal patient. Testimonials and the patient testimonials don't need to be bowed greater offices. They need to be about. What their problem was you know? Common questions like what how was how was not having teeth affecting your life. What made you take so long to come in. What would you tell somebody else that was looking to get this done? How has your life changed since you straighten out your quick? These are the kind of things that people want again back to the common questions and consumer focused marketing That's there another area that we're working on and you've probably seen it. I think Thursdays we do it. Does team member spotlights I want I want all our customers and patients and potential patients To to know who our team members are I want them to know them not just as what they are in the office but also you know what they are outside of the office we against us the same ring light and the same phone we just take pictures of them and we kind of we feature them each week and we'll just keep running. We have ten eleven team members will just keep running through them every every three months. Twelve weeks you'll see something new about each. It'll be a picture of Michelle talking to a patient next time. Or maybe there'll be a picture of our assistant doing sterilization or maybe it'd be a picture of Michelle at cycle bar riding her bicycle or whatever. That is so things like that. I think it's also important to show. Your office has a fund environment. Yeah because I think that patients want to. They like coming places where people are having fun. Where will they see? People are well taken care of if they like their job. It makes them see why they're there things like when we went to play kickball. Yeah things like when? We brought the gym to the office in the backyard. Things like when we have birthday cakes when we have our quarterly potlucks. All of these things are are opportunities to show your community that you're you're not just a dentist you're also a great boss. Great Leader we've done things like gone on trips and Gone Zip lining but everything you just named. Didn't cost much. We wait played kickball and had the best time. We bought a ball so I think a lot of that is just finding the time to do it a long time. These are tied to our non nonproduction bonus like one month. We do all the videos in question and answers. We're going to be good afternoon and we don't know what it is. We're going to go get our little feat done. That's another opportunity to showcase that right and that's usually after work and So same thing and then of course you community outreach. I think in today's world millennials. Everybody likes offices so when we do giving smiles we. We definitely take tuned. To photograph it you know. I'm I'm fortunate. I have a video person so we video it but you know you guys stories. Everyone of you know how to do stories and stuff and I think again it. Just let the community know that you're so much more and so those are such phenomenal. Simple I in my opinion simple ideas that we can do that slowly over time will definitively help your practice attract better patients. More engaged patients and patients had a more ready. If you go back to the answering the question park if you answer the most common questions and you put that in video in writing on your website and social media you will get more patients that are ready to buy and ready to do the dentistry. Because they're just looking for places to answer these questions for him. Yeah so once again. I think to reinvigorate your practice. In twenty twenty we had three things it was modernization. Talent and emotional intelligent marketing. Yeah my last messages. Listen It's two thousand twenty. It's time for you to change and update your game More so now with the covert thing corona virus Chinese virus Italian. Whatever we want to call it. Now it's American buyers right. This is your opportunity. This is the time this time that we're all for that. We're not doing things you know. Send your team members these things. What are the common questions? Can you answer them? You know. Put a full practice? Even if you don't use that video practice just practice being in front of the mirror and being in front of a camera because it's not easy and we'll take a couple of times one hundred percent you know and again my same messages. What worked in the early two thousands or even in the two thousand. Ten's isn't going to continue to work as well. And the two thousand twenty s Blackberry Xerox Polaroid Kodak all of these companies. That didn't change with the Times. They got beaten out and so the same thing can happen in our practices. And I want I want dentistry to be phenomenal. I love private practice dentistry. The Times where I dislike it but it's phenomenal. And if we at three dentist or if me personally of meredith personally we can help you through this time Just know that we are going to get through this. We're going to come out stronger. It might just take a little bit of time to get. There may take us to have to change our game to get there but we will one hundred percent get there and I will personally be here for everybody out. Organization are wonderful instructors. They'll all be here for everybody to where here to help you. Through this time so Thank you for listening. Please share this episode Please stay safe and we look forward to seeing everybody.

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Coronavirus, 5G, and Earnings Season

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38:46 min | 1 year ago

Coronavirus, 5G, and Earnings Season

"HP our presents. Hi everyone you're listening to after hours. I'm Young Mrs Muir and I'm Felix. Hi Guys how you doing great right here you have been around the world in eighty days. How was your trip? It was like eight days but yeah it was great it was wonderful reflects. I saw a bunch of after listeners. Got A lot of love for that. It was really wonderful and I am finally getting back in the rhythm of life with getting my sleep back. I don't know do you guys have ways to get back in the rhythm of life with your sleep when you travel Felix. You've gotTa have some kind of sleeping bag. I have to say I used to be a little nervous about you. Know Oh my God. I'm awake in the middle of the night and now is basically just I sleep whenever I'm tired. I'm awake in the middle of the night I get up by work. That works best best for me. Like just to be completely unbothered by when I'm tired when I'm tammy awake Yumi here. Well I recently have done sequel. which is they now? provide the NYQUIL without the cold medicine. And it's actually called sequel and sequel turns out to be remarkably good. How about you? What's your well? I don't really have one but I have to say that on my most recent overseas trip I decided I was going to try ambien. Oh Okay and and and. Apparently I made the rookie mistake of trying it in a high stakes situation. And so so you were. I believe very important meeting and I missed it. I showed up very very late. Really embarrassing because my alarm went off and I didn't here it and I didn't realize that was what it was going to me so I learned my lesson on that it was very embarrassing Anyway okay so we have a lot to talk about this week and so we're GONNA try to squeeze in multiple topics lakes. We have to talk a little bit about the krona virus. We'll spend a little bit of time on that and then Felix you brought in a topic just so I would like to talk about five g. woo-hoo advertisements everywhere now. So let's unpack that and then here I was thinking it's been a crazy earning season so I was hoping for some quick hits on on earnings. So let's do that too. Okay Okay Rona virus. I'm so interested in hearing what you guys have to say about Krona virus. Do you think people are overreacting to corona virus. So I think in a way. They're both kind of overreacting and under reacting right so by comparison to influenza the number who have died is relatively small so in some senses overreaction with people doing things like wearing face masks in situations and where it probably doesn't make sense and they're stoking fear and then there's a little bit of underreaction which is you know. Wow this is the world we live in which is their are potentials for really a big pandemics and we need public health efforts that are really comprehensive to address them. So I think there's a little bit of both I think it's over and under. I think the novelty aspect is really important because it points to just how little we know even about the basic danger so Johns Hopkins University has fantastic map that it shows how the virus spreads the most stunning thing about these maps. Is that out of the seven hundred twenty five people who died at this time. We're talking six hundred. Ninety nine are in who bay right. I mean one interpretation is that that has to do with this is where the the viruses most concentrated and is actually much much more dangerous than be realized it might have to do with in the beginning. People didn't really know that it was a really dangerous interest virus and so maybe they didn't go to the doctor. They didn't go to the hospital. But that to me like as I look at the numbers and how the virus spreads and how it develops. That's maybe one thing that is just like what is going on here Felix. I think that is such an important point when people compare this to the flu at he. That's the point. They're missing the flu. We have a pretty good idea of how it spreads through population so the epidemiology of the flu is really well developed. The epidemiology of Corona virus is completely a plea underdeveloped in there are so many unknowns. So if you take something as simple as the contagion factor if you have the flu you're likely to infect one point three three other people with Krona virus there are indications that it is more contagious than that and the New York Times. Had this really fascinating graphic that showed road even if it's incrementally greater than one point three. Let's say it's two people. Instead of one point three people. It makes a dramatic difference in how much more quickly. Luckily the virus spreads the population. And then you have an incubation period. That can be as long as fourteen days. A fatality rate. That's really unclear and so they're just so many unknowns. What's interesting to me is we had SARS? We at mercy is not exactly the first epidemic of this kind and yet some some of the very basic questions like is locked down a good idea. Should people go to the hospital or should use doctors out to house. We don't really seem to have off of well established protocol. I guess my next question is what are some of the lessons that you are drawing from just watching this unfold. I think I think three big lessons. The first is I think just the infrastructure around public health and these organizations like the. Who and the CDC who are just enormously important globally for for spreading knowledge and then helping at times like this if this were to spread to countries that are less well equipped than China poorer countries. Then I mean my gosh. It's really hard to imagine. And just thinking about those providers of public health. I think is really interesting. The second is we are so levered to China in so many ways right now now just tourism in Southeast Asia is so levered to China forget about like iron ore or like forget about all these markets the whole world is kind of linked into China in a different way than fifteen twenty years ago and that to me is also the lesson here and then finally you know. I think what's really interesting to me about. This is information and trying to understand. Understand how information might have been used a little bit more aggressively early on or are we getting all the information. This is the moment where information I and the distribution of information becomes so important and I think they were much better than last time but if the government tries to monopolize information it can become really problematic that to me is also the lesson. Listen here this is actually I find a such an interesting question to the doctor who I reported that this was something that looked like SARS. He was essentially forced forced by the police to sign a document that said it was wrong of him to spread false rumors and of course not knowing what happened. Consequently in like like that is such a terrible move. You should have taken this doctor's advice and you should have alerted everyone much earlier just because we know what the outcome is compare. This is to the rumors around vaccines and autism. Exactly a now all of a sudden maybe not allowing every room or to spread. It is not the dumbest thing on the planet. They're absolutely right Felix. I mean the vaccine thing is the one that came to my mind as well. Which is we've allowed a really bad the idea to promulgate itself through scientific journals and elsewhere and it's been very costly I think at these moments though these kinds of pandemic moments a little bit different and and I confess I kind of would err on the side of the free flow of information in those moments? But that's my taste. I I think this is one of those times where you really see that trade off though we really don't have a playbook for this stuff. I mean watching China respond to this. You can't help but imagine how the US how we would respond if the same thing happening on our soil. They built the hospital in ten minutes that videotape in seriousness. I think it took about ten days. So there's some things things were your jaw. Just drops at the utter efficiency and the decisiveness with which this country is responding up Slough on the other hand because we know so little about the epidemiology of this virus. You can't help but wonder does this make sense. Are we overreacting. We really don't have have a playbook. I am going to go back to some of the lessons though I do. Think it's so underscores. How deeply embedded China is in the global economy so both under demand side side but also on the supply side every market is being affected and then the second point is really brought into sharp relief? The huge divide between rich each and poor countries and how some countries they might not make all the right decisions but at least they're equipped they have the resources to respond if this were happening in a much poorer country. Yeah Yeah I may be very very scary. Yeah I think it is also these moments where I just feel like the fragility of what we take for granted it becomes apparent. You know like seamlessly traveling everywhere and the supply jeans and everything that we just take for granted and have taken for granted for the last thirty years it just feels like oh wow that world it is so much more fragile than I thought it was that to me was one of the kind of lessons of all those. Okay well. Obviously we're going to continue to watch this story that I even. Though it's sort of emitting knitting story and I did want to get your thoughts on it okay. So let's move along Felix. You wanted to talk about five G. Five G. is here find really so you know it was promised for quite some time and we heard about how. It's just going to really radically changed the way people live the way people communicate eight. It'll take a few seconds to download every star wars movie ever made and so on until my opening question really. How excited are you about five G.? Young you go first. So listen intellectually. I completely get it. I understand. The technology is designed to make things much much faster but also reduce network latency and is going to lead to the Internet of things and I get all of that emotionally. It's very difficult for me to get excited. I mean remember the excitement over three G. The excitement over forty intellectually. It is really really interesting unified G.. Networks operate in a very different way which means that because it reduces network congestion and lag many more devices can talk to each other immediately and seamlessly without clogging up the network which means devices can talk to other devices. So if you were to think of a couple of use cases the one that everybody mentions is in a world of autonomous cars cars can tell each other when they're breaking or turning right or a much more mundane example. Imagine you never having to turn a light switch on and off again because when you walk into the room. You're smartwatch is talking to the electrical system in your house in the lights go on and off as you walk your house but again emotionally. It's harder for me to get excited. I think it's interesting because I think in some sense it's both under sold and oversold so it's undersold in the sense that people don't understand. The power of the Internet of things and that in combination with declining cost of sensors is going to make everything thing be able to communicate with everything else and it's oversold in the sense of. Yeah like I get one hundred milliseconds faster. Download the video. Do I care about that. My sense is probably worth distinguishing the different flavors of five G. so the most advanced version. I think what you're talking about when you're thinking about economists cars. What is called millimeter wave five G.? That is really seamless. Communication at speeds set are at least by today's standards almost unimaginable. That is not vote. Most of us will see anytime suit and just to reset for that. Does signals travel relatively short distances. And then lots of obstacles walls and other obstacles continue to be a real problem so you should think millimeter wave five not going to be what we get. What we get is the regular kind of five G. and they're literally the only change so we know a little bit from South Korea because as always South Korea's like way ahead of everyone else and basically what it does it reduces latency right so when you go from one website to the next you have to wait a little bit so so and they're totally with you me here really and then the third flavor that we get is actually diverse? Kind that is it's the. At and T.. Type were just rebrand of four g network is totally ridiculous right for all our listeners. I if you have a four g phone and all of a sudden your phone company is operator sent you a little seeing that says five G. ICON. Something is not quite right. You cannot have five G. Four G. Fall and this is the puzzle Felix. What is the virtue of doing that? Like what is the marketing game. Here like I guess. I'm a little puzzled by now. But it's an opportunity to reset everything. It's an opportunity to reset your pricing not to reintroduce all of your service bundles. It's a marketing marketing opportunity. So I think that distinction you made is so important and in some ways it really feeds into the cynicism people have when these jobs right really so yes because we hear about how I'm never going to have to turn on a light switch again in. Meanwhile the reality that we live is so distant from that. So let's talk about the a business case so I think the tension that we see this desire to have marketing runway ahead of where we actually are I think is the tension between the cost of investment and then consumer willingness to pay for more and faster speeds. So what is the business case for five G. Easter a business case even again. I'm a little cynical about this. But if you describe the best case scenario on how five going to unfold for one thing. All of art devices are going to need to be upgraded in order to be compatible with this New Vision of the future. And then someone's going to have to pay for it all in other words you know you really want to pay twenty dollars more for a toaster oven. That talks to your Smart Watch. It's not clear that people really one of those things with Lofta the toaster. I think that application so I haven't heard is what the killer APP for this is going to be on what's being yes and I think the catch twenty two. The telecom companies are in is on the one hand and they have to upgrade because if everybody upgrades and you don't upgrade your network then you could end at a competitive disadvantage because you can't market your five G.. So all these big telecoms are making these huge capital investments and. It's unclear as to whether they're ever going to recoup that investment. So what are they do they over market something. That feels sort of like vaporware but would you ever advise one of these telecoms to not make the investment. I mean I wouldn't I would say no. You have to in other words the business case. This is not clear to me in a really specific way. It's clear me in a more amorphous way but regardless it feels like the march of progress demands at these telecom companies upgrade their network. I mean it seems clear to me in a kind of B. Two B. way or in a business setting by the way I have to say as the local Luddite. I'm so delighted to hear your cynicism because I was thinking I was going to be the guy who had to be like. Oh what a snooze fest. But I'm so happy to hear other people think it's this new but that doesn't mean important actually. I think it's really really important. I think it's going to be important in a economy-wide way and it's going to be important in the way of autonomous vehicles and of just the amount of tracking of information formation that we can do and it can be many applications so yes young. I think they have to do it. And it's worthwhile. The question is whether the kind of souped up marketing drive you've at the retail level is going to pay off. I do wonder if there isn't a better way to do this because I can. Totally understand the temptation to sort of paint a far away way future which looks really amazing. But isn't that the trap that you fall into so when they now tell us oh the next generation of phones is going to have. I don't know seventeen cameras. Yeah and I think what we've learned like I couldn't figure out the difference between two cameras in three cameras so what's my willingness to pay for the Seventeenth Camera. It's no increment increment and I fear. Even though this might be sort of rational in a very short termism sense I think what is going to produce longer term is that we look doc at all these promises and we'll say you know wasn't so great around last time. Why should I expect these dramatic differences? Now I was trying to think by analogy here which there's always a little tricky but I was thinking about like you know if there was a brand new. PVC pipe that was like way better and way cleaner it it was like a revolutionary. PVC Pipe. Okay material used for piping all around the world like that is exciting and like municipalities and everybody should be buying his new. PVC Piping and construction action people should be buying new PVC piping but like I don't need to be marketed to about the bite. Actually pipes is super interesting example. Even though it's clearly the much better technology it took decades to roll it out so it was available for a long time. Just note takers whatsoever. I really we need a whole segment on. PVC pipes but okay getting back. I due getting us back on track. I don't want to be completely negative about five G. because it's potentially non incremental improvement so so unlike the move from three G. to four G. which wasn't incremental move this is a non incremental move and so again if I were advising a big telecom company would advise him not to invest in five G.. Of course you have to do it. You have to do it. Because there are these big potential value and locks that could really have huge huge consumer benefit. But in the meantime I think consumers are just going to have to pay for something. That's not that much better. We already have yeah. I mean the smartphone was killer APP. That even created all the cement for connectivity on activity. Yeah if another killer APP. Maybe autonomous driving comes along. I think we will see something very similar. The question of is of course. How will baillieu be divided up between the operators and whoever comes up with two killer APP yeah absolutely space to watch? We will talk about this again in two thousand and twenty the eight and we'll debate the state of five G. at appointed. Can we do a full episode on. PVC Pipe I think we need a real. Yeah it's actually his is to of. PVC PIPES is super interesting. I'm telling you okay here. You wanted to talk about earning season so we just got through earnings season. And we're GONNA do a quick takes. You WanNa go first here. Yeah sure so. I mean I guess I've been paying a lot of attention to alphabet and their announcement. I thought was really fascinating so it is fascinating on two levels one is they changed the way they report so they broke out youtube for the first time in terms of revenue and that number was fifteen billion dollars dollars of revenue and in some sense it was underwhelming because if you compare it to something like instagram where they generate like twenty billion dollars revenue. Wow Oh youtube is not performing at least as well as I might have thought relative to something like instagram but it also makes you think man that is an underutilized asset. Like they could do a lot more more with you too so I thought alphabets earnings were just really fascinating. Part of what's really interesting about the youtube. Numbers is also of course when you look at video consumption. Youtube Youtube is enormous right. So we generally think that it's mostly the older legacy media. That has a serious monetization problem. But you see that's eight monitors your problem with Google also where you get consumption like you couldn't believe and then monetize ing you know it's not that and easy and I don't know your experience but my sense is that the pre roll and the mid roll ads. You couldn't push that much more. They are deeply unpopular popular forums have advertising so even like where do you take you to not so clear but if they could make it work it would be a me. I mean it should be but it feels like man. That's an underperforming. Acid in comparison with instagram is really interesting to me speaks to execution so just as a consumer. The advertising on youtube is so poorly executed suited just noise. It's a super aggravating as a consumer to has to ingest it on the other hand instagram. The way they are doing their advertising right now. I find it to be stunningly effective. In even though it is intrusive advertising. My sense is that it is not perceived Steve by consumers as being nearly as aggravating. But don't you have a sense that also for instagram stories is much more difficult than regular feet. I think there's something about video is just more intrusive. I think that's right but when I look at Youtube advertising there's so many consumer unfriendly things about it. I can understand why they're there from a sort of push perspective but my sense is that they have really poorly calibrated that line between tween pushing something onto consumers and making it more consumer friendly so that the ad itself isn't ingested in such a negative way. The final thing I'll say is so we're trashing youtube. They're still selling more ADS THAN ABC NBC. Just keep it all in okay Felix. Quick Take Ah yes earnings. So I was amazed by the earnings results of the big banks and so to just pick out one J. P. Morgan Chase twenty twenty percent growth in earnings seven percent revenue growth stellar results also for City Bank of America. Little more mixed than than you know. Wells Fargo's always wells Fargo. But can you say but it's really remarkable for two reasons stuff. I is lower interest rates always work against banks and so to see that they're doing so well in an environment where interest rates have come down. I think is really quite interesting. And then when you look a little more fine grain at the data you see that that their revenue grows much more slowly than their earnings and that speaks to increases. Inefficiency is almost like a miracle even though these banks are so much larger than divert during the financial crisis even and yet everything says day they have economies of scale that get bigger and bigger and bigger over time and so the questions like where does this come from like typically if the company gets larger so you would think economies of scale are harder and harder to get by and the exact opposite part of it is it spending. And then I think the second source. The worst efficiencies is how their deposit base just gross traumatically and so many so sticky. When I chose lose my bank I don't know ten fifteen years ago I would very carefully think about things like number of ATM's branches all those kinds of do things now that people move to mobile banking of course? What's the banking APP? You download the banking APP that you download is the banks whose name you can remember and so that favors. The large national players incredible waste until even in relatively difficult macroeconomic circumstances they really righty. It stellar numbers CRICHTON astounding story. I think the other interesting angle on this Felix's look around the world and you don't see other big banks in different markets doing As robustly as American banks do right so think about what Deutsche is just year after year struggling with and think about what's going on in the UK and even in Asia but it you know it is quite startling to see the US big banks do so well for the reasons you said but then also in contrast to what it is happening around the world that contrast between us big banks and rest of world. Big Banks I think he's only growing and that's interesting. The only thing I have to add to this is I think it's really interesting to consider the flip side of this story which is how much more difficult it has become for small banks to compete in this context. Yes there so many forces working against banks right now so the regulatory environment which raises your costs and makes it very very difficult the fact that we now have a set of consumer expectations when we sign up for bank including technology infrastructure that includes an APP that works really well and these are the kinds of technology investments. That small banks can't necessarily make you want a particular kind of product portfolio that has the kind of breadth that a lot of smaller banks struggled to provide. You want the best rates out there. I mean you know it used to be that if you lived in a town. It wasn't isn't unusual to say. Oh I'm just going to bank in my little corner. Local banks and I think now the likelihood of people doing that particularly as millennials begin to age that's generation. That is just much more likely to want to go with a bank that has a multitude of services in a way to reminds me a little bit tough when the movie industry globalized. It also completely changed. Who Wins and who loses is basically the big blockbuster phenomenon that came? We now have national the competition that is real and we always was. You know there was like yet ever national banks but like much of the competition wasn't really national and the moment that happens so so much. Yeah Okay I'M GONNA do. We have to talk about Tesla that was so let me. Just lay the groundwork here. Tesla Tesla reported good results. You know strong earnings good news on the operational front but holy cow the stock which had already already been on a tear has continued. Its tear with some additional volatility to throw in there so just a little perspectives. Tesla's stock ended the year at at four twenty and it had been on a tear to get to four twenty. It's now sitting at about. I don't know seven fifty. Although by the time you hear this who knows could be much. Higher could be much lower. So this is market euphoria market mania the likes of which we don't see that often even in these frothy times it's possible that there's some technical explanation for this shortsellers buying in their shorts or whatever but my own sense here is that this really is a case of market euphoria and it is something to behold. It's totally something that we have never seen before and in some sense and I think fundamentally it's a question of whether Tesla is a car company or a software company Tony and depends what you believe and so if you believe it is a car company. You're you for your comment comes in young me. If you believe. It is a software company. Then Dan all kinds of things are possible and you can think of it as having the economics of Google and facebook and then all of a sudden you talk yourself into yes. It's a trillion dollar market cap because it's a software company economics for amazing okay but let's go one level deeper. What does it mean to say? Oh they're technology company so the most fantastically task optimistic view plays out in one of two ways so the first fantastically optimistic outcome is that the automotive ecosystem assistant changes dramatically and Tessa comes to dominate this new ecosystem so an example is how apple and Android have come to dominate the mobile phone ecosystem. Go system not because their phones necessarily but also because they operate APP stores in maps. And everything else you do in your phone. So it could be Tesla software sitting on twenty five percent of the world's. Let's car's battery technology or autonomous driving technology or something like that. So that's one fantastically optimistic outcome. A second fantastically optimistic outcome Tesla uses all the leverage and competencies and technology and infrastructure it builds in the automotive sector to begin to dominate additional sector. So this is the the Amazon Scenario Amazon starts selling books and other products. It builds a logistics empire and then it uses it to penetrate other spaces so in the case of Tesla. I guess you could say maybe I don't know other transportation sectors or space or maybe alternative energy something like that and just you know two Other examples of Companies Punch far above their weight. Of course. We're Amazon and Netflix. So there was a point. Four five years ago Amazon's valuation began began to exceed that of Walmart and people thought that was insane and now it's three times that market cap and people don't think it's insane anymore. There is a point a couple years ago when Netflix was the world's most highly valued media entertainment company about Disney above comcast people. That was insane. That is yet to play out. So is this insane. I mean Tesla's now valued more than GM and Ford combined. I think the answer is to the valuation puzzle. We have no idea and only down implied volatility. He is now close to a hundred percent if you bought a nine hundred strike call a week ago. It traded at five cent yesterday. A traded rated at more than one hundred dollars I think that goes to this point Felix. which is it is a trading asset? I think what happens in these stocks occasionally is companies stocks become trading assets. Let's and they are effectively vehicles for people to express their beliefs and to speculate. But then don't look at the prices and tell you anything about the fundamentals. They don't know that's right right and also it can be a fun thing short and it has been a fun thing too short and it can be a fun thing too long but it is really only for people who are willing to do that activity in a very kind of carefully recalibrate away and if you really enjoy it this goes toward discussion about investing as either consumption or saving is like very much consumption thing like you've got to really enjoy that ride. The media is very very much part of this. I remember seeing this segment and CNBC where it had a guy. They ridiculed him because he short at the company at some point in time and then much credit they brought him back to the show and yet may twenty five million dollars under trade where they had ridiculed him before so I think that the media frenzy around the fundamental. I think the two scenarios that you painted those are exactly. The kinds of visions are out. There can be attached any any sort of reasonable probabilities to these visions. Now we can't exactly and I think you guys are spot on. This has become the stock to own as sport sport. It has become the most heavily traded stock on Robin Hood. And of course Robin Hood is an APP. Very popular among millennials and Mike Answers people who are trading. The Stock Robin Hood don't own very many shares. But they're doing it a sport sport. You go to Google right now at least the day. We're taping this and you type in should i. By the number one auto complete. Tessa style is should I buy a house in number three should up car but but never one is. Should I buy Tesla's okay takes. WHO WANTS TO GO I? I'll go first. I should preface my pick saying I'm not an animal person when I grew up with dogs. I love dogs but if I go with you to dissolve you must be my favorite cousin in particular the animals on television and I find Oh my God but I have seen this new program. BBC America shows up programming rapper that they called wonder struck. And it's basically twenty four hours of the most stunning animal images that at least I have ever seen so it starts Saturday morning at eight and it runs all the way Sunday morning at eight and it's just nature and animals. I have even less of a relationship with fish. I saw this amazing. There was one guy he had a headlamp and then somehow the blight attractive things that he could eat like dining Lee beautiful BBC. America wonder struck so Felix. Did this make you revise your idea of going into the ocean because there might be fishing them because I remember that so very clear separation. I in the ocean. Everything else has has to go rhino. SHOULD WE EMPTY IF BBC America shoots movies. I don't mind if they find also I. Can't I believe that you in general. Don't love animals. Can you not love animals. What's wrong with you? I like dogs. Cats are like cats from afar occasionally on TV. He likes animals. Hugh and if you don't like it okay. The only time I have trouble with animals is on a plane. Kiss you know. People are bringing all kinds of animals on planes now. Oh and it's a little disconcerting. Okay I have a really interesting pick for you. Have you ever heard of this APP called. Be My eyes. No no so this. This is an APP that you know. There are a lot of people out there who are either blind or very low vision and they find themselves in circumstances where they need some help and so you can sign up as either someone who is of low vision or if you're blind or you can sign up as a volunteer and what ends up happening. Is that whenever anybody needs. Help you get pinged and if you respond you're immediately connected to someone who needs help and it's a fascinating experience dance because suddenly you're essentially facetime ing somebody who might be for example in the grocery store in his buying milk and can't read which ones are two percent versus low fat and they're just pointing the camera and you're just helping them navigate to the right kind of mill her or they're holding up to t shirts and they wanna make sure is this white or is this blue and so what's crazy about it is that you're just going about your day and then suddenly you're connected with someone anywhere in the world world who is in a situation where they just need. Maybe thirty seconds of help. That's fantastic so juicing amazing and it's so thrilling Ling that it has made me think there should be so many more apps like them different kinds. I need help with my math now or conjugate conjugate the sentence. The other thing that I find interesting is that you're now more likely to get help from someone at the other end of the planet you're connected through an APP as opposed to just asking the person next to you in the grocery store. Yes isn't that something but I was struck by how powerful the human connection is Even though the interaction is very small and I thought to myself you know how you travel and you're in a place where you don't understand the language and they're all these APPs you can use to translate for you and I thought it it would be so much cooler if you needed a translator in the moment like you're in a store you need a translator and instead you just used an APP and you're connected to a real human being. Is there video radio and translated for you. He who so much more meaningful as a human interaction anyway. So that's my recommendation Mahir. So that sounds great so I have Maybe a public service announcement and quasi recommendations so. I just went through two months of kind of fairly harrowing time with data And pictures on a hard drive that failed and my little public service announcement is make sure your backup civil it happen well you know unfortunately in conjunction with some fabulous people at hp it. We are in the process of trying to get it back via a company Dr Savers. But it's a very elaborate process because it was really failing hard drive and I think it's all going to be fine but to everyone out there you know for me. I slept like between computers and like the cloud in the clouds comes on external hard drive. And I hadn't taken the time to really think concretely about everything and I would encourage everybody to not go through the process. I just went through and do have really good backup procedures in place. I don't have a specific recommendation but that's my PSA and then. I do have a specific recommendation. If I can try to slip into which is I just started reading an finished this book by manual career. Who is a French author? And it's called ninety seven thousand one hundred ninety six words and it's just essays but it's the best nonfiction I have read in a decade or two. And he is absolutely masterful in combining really Lee rich nonfiction with like his own personal reminiscences. So it's kind of like a little blurry memory kind of non-fiction thing but he covers including some really a gruesome cases. He covers them in the most captivating way so not since like Truman Capote. Can I think of somebody who writes nonfiction so well and I think it's just great so his name is manual career and the book I read was a collection of essays called ninety seven thousand one hundred and ninety six words so that's my recommendation in addition to backup all your data. Wow okay okay. I'm not sure which one of those I should react to. That sounds like a really great book recommendation for any book to be on your list of off best in the last one or two decades. That's really that's something that's really amazing. That's great I'm going to check it out immediately. Okay all right. So that's it for this week. Thanks everyone trip listening. This is after hours in the HP OUR PODCAST network Yeah.

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Motor City Hypnotist Podcast with David Wright  Episode 52  Therapy Q & A, Part 2

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Motor City Hypnotist Podcast with David Wright Episode 52 Therapy Q & A, Part 2

"You're listening to the podcast detroit visit. Www dot cod pastor troy dot com before information. Episode of the motor city impetus podcast. We're gonna finish up with therapy. Qna matt yeah. I was. I was thinking a couple of episodes ago what i would say. I talked into the mike for twenty six points on these smaller and smaller. Sure yes we're gonna finish up on therapy q. And a. and again stay tuned. We've got a bunch of free stuff that we're giving away. We'll be right there. The idea for the motor city hypnotist do all right originating from the suburbs of detroit michigan. He is hypnotized thousands of people from all over the united states. Do it all right. It's been featured on news outlets all across the country and is the clinical director of outpatient mental health clinic located just south of detroit for helps people using the power of noses. Welcome the motor city. You been test david all right. What is happening people. Listen david wright the motor city hypnotist. I don't know we're back with another episode of the motor city podcasts. I'm trying that's matt in the background. There i'm still happy to be here. That's awesome yeah. Awesome awesome awesome. So let me tell you what just so you know where we're at the podcast detroit. Northville studios view live on facebook. Thanks for checking in Our our usual our usual listener allen is in the house. I know he was making tacos. He got pulled away. Yeah if you're on. Facebook give us a shout You wanna ask questions because his is therapy. Qna part to drop those in the comments. And i will address those as they come in. You teased a few questions. I'm intrigued yes. It's very intriguing. Let me tell you where you can find me. My website is motor city. Hypnotist dot com Just as a heads up we just revamped website and it was just pub republished or yeah put online a couple of days ago so As as anything when you relaunch a website you wanna make sure they're no bugs or errors. But i've kind of been going through that for the last two days and fixing a couple of links links. That did not work so just in case you come across something. That's not working for you. You can always hit me up on social media and let me know. Hopefully my my web designers got that covered but check it out. Its new look all the same information. We just got a revamped. The website gave it a different. Feel all good stuff still there. You can find me on facebook and youtube at motor city hypnotist and on twitter and instagram. Both of those are motor city hypno- and if you'd like to contribute financially to the show you can find me on patriotic. That is also motor city hypnotist. And again anything that that you would like to donate. I would greatly appreciate it very very minimal donations. Nothing that's gonna break the bank or anything but yeah. If you want to do that i would appreciate it and as we do on every episode. We're given rate giving away free stuff. A free hypnosis guy. Is we give away. Always my download for mp3 hypnosis for confidence is still available. And i'll leave the link in the show notes for my private facebook group empower your mind for success As i mentioned a couple of a couple of episodes in a row that that's a group where i'm mom it's kind of private group where we give support for either if you're an entrepreneur and online business even in your personal life Just just helping you to have a successful mindset And ensure that you will achieve the goals that you're trying to achieve so it's cold group. We got a lot of people in there about one hundred sixty something right now. So look look at that and if you wanna join just give me a click on that link and i will let you in all righty. It is time for a winner of the week. All right so i. I looked at this. Boundless was article. And i looked and look. They don't know where it comes from but It's english so we know it's from somewhere. That's english speaking okay. So this this comes from december twelve. Who is just about six days ago So long story short There was a kid in the neighborhood. thirteen year old. Who scooter was stolen So the family at posted a thank you message on the social networking platform next door. After an unknown neighbor replaced their child stolen scooter and left a note on their porch. The note read. Hey neighbor. I saw on next door that someone stole your scooter not cool. I remember when i was thirteen. And someone stole my bike. And how sad. I felt that being said. I hope you enjoy this green scooter. Two thousand twenty has been crazy enough. I wasn't about to let someone steal your joy. Keep your head up little man inside your neighbor at doesn't it didn't have a name on it all on. Should they know where the neighbor is right. Another secret sin home now almost but secret neighbor but not in a creepy way. Oh that's just awesome. You're i love when people just see something and they've experienced something in the same realm. It's something stolen from them. You know how violated you feel. Come on really it really that important to take. Yeah i probably could have been a couple of punk kids. Who knows but still. It's the point. His kids stolen and was probably bummed out of course so the family Responded in the story saying my son couldn't have a bigger smile on his face this evening because of an unknown neighbor who left this on the porch. The parents shared an update. This is pure kindness and such a beautiful way to pay it. Forward wants to help someone else now. Also say just planting the seed that will just go on and that's just painted ford at that young age. He's just learning how to pay it forward absolutely is going to last a lifetime. You're right that that simple gesture is going to last a lifetime. So that's why anonymous neighbor your winner of the week is done. I kind of put those two winner. The weeks from our last two episodes together because just talked about mr rogers last winner of the week and it just kind of fit in. Because it's another neighbor doing something nice for a neighbor. Yeah well done sir so back to it. So we're we're finishing up therapy question and answer time are you you got you got lots of time. Yup we have lots of time. And i did tease a couple of i would say they're probably a little bit more juicier subjects. You know intrigue young so we finished off last time to therapist really care about their clients. So we're going to go into that same vein crab. Here's a question that's come up. I actually i've seen this. In different sites. Numerous times should therapists comfort crying clients. It's a really good question from someone out there as a hug or well and that's where that that that's where we have to define what comfort means. That's that's really the kind of catch thing that we have to be careful about with this. Because i am beds you might so yes. We definitely as a therapist. I wanna comfort somebody who's crying in my office. I know they're experiencing something. I know their feelings. That feelings of whatever it is grief or being upset or frustration or sadness. I as a therapist and an and there's there's there's a little bit of a gray line at it's very small. I as therapist do not have any physical contact with my clients is. It's my personal rule. It's not saying you can't have physical contact and again. That's that little gray area line. Of course we all know inappropriate. Contact is never okay course and that's unfortunately if you look back it's i'm sure it's happened with therapists and clients which which you know that that just sucks should never happen but put that possibility is is exists in it has happened in the past so i say comfort yes i wanna comfort somebody who's upset and crying but but i want to do it by by being empathetic and being supportive verbally and even my nonverbal cues even leaning in but I for me. I never i just best not to cross that boundary of physical touch his even though a client may feel like they want that i for a therapy setting. I don't think that's appropriate. Now now i do know therapists. That hug their clients. And i can't say that that's right or wrong if it's sincere and it's not you know if it's a it's a mutual interaction for me that i don i don't for me. That doesn't work for me as a therapist and every every therapist is different than everyone's hate to say great line. Right is different as well right. But your personal preferences to no physical contact right in. There are a lot of reasons for that. Not that i wouldn't want to comfort somebody with a hug but it could be. It could just open up very different areas which will get into some of our other question. Yes yes you get into this. Now we have issues of transfers transference and counter transference you if the client might be comforted from the hug. But they might feel like oh. That was nice. I want more or something as simple as now there. They they thought they wanted or they. I thought they were going to feel confident. Now they do. It didn't feel good to me and now now. You have an issue with therapeutic relationship right. Yeah so yes i think. Therapy should comfort clients crying clients in the best way for that client. I guess that's the best way to go back to uncle. Miltie go back. Yeah go back down capote everybody's different everybody's different or you can just you know. Be rate them until they walked out. Walk up and leave after being in the wheelchair for so long right. Okay the next question and this i. This is a valid question. Because i'm sure some people don't understand understand licensure and how people in what's what's involved with requirements for being a therapist. This question is what is the difference between a therapist and a life coach. Long story short therapists are licensed mental health professionals. Life coaches are not. I mean that really. I'm putting up bloods. And i'm not saying a life coach can't be i can't be helpful or or can't be something you could use i but but that that that is the big difference. There are coach. There's somebody who's going to encourage you to challenge you to reach your goals and to give you i use. Let's you sports analogy like a football coach. The get on your ass when you need it. You know they they they say good job when you do good they give you a structure to follow and and to get better. They help you train that. That's kind of what a what a life coach to me would be in there just so you know there is no licensing for life coaches there. There's no requirements now just like hypnotists. There's probably organizations at certified life coaches and but that really doesn't mean anything without some overall governing body get organizational skills to be a life coach. Yeah well and maybe. Somebody's looking for that. I've had a lot of clients who have who've seen me for therapy and they've addressed a lot of things and i'm thinking of one in particular. I had a few years ago but she couldn't get her house organized. That was really a block for her and we worked on in therapy and and we had her. We had are progressing to that. Okay i want you to just do you know. Get rid of three things. Before our next appointment we would start small and she would do that but she still felt like she wanted more. She wanted somebody to be there. Actually get her through it. Which of course. That's not my position as a therapist. I mean two words come to mind label and maker right. Get bigger organized right off the just put it on everything. Sorry wrong drop. I was trying for this one. Oh so funny. I got this story from my teenage years. We had a buddy that we would go over his house every so often but we always used to want to go in the basement. And i'm not kidding. There was his dad was one of these like ocd. Just everything had to be picture. Perfect but i swear to god matt i. You wouldn't believe it. If i told you i'm gonna time waiting. Yes every single thing in the basement had a label on it. There's a wire running and there's a sticker on it white wire of there's there's a nail in the wall nail nail. I swear to got every single thing. The basement was labeled with a sticker. Oh my goodness it was. It was insane and we used to laugh. We used to just go down there. Laugh all the time. Look i won't say that labeled with. Oh well the brain luggage it. Maybe you need to know what that wire that it was a wire. We'll see. I can understand you know wanting to put a label on a white wire. But what does that wire going to wire. You label your fusebox. A reason for that. So you know what circuits. Go to what things. Yeah and. it's not just like a tangled. So yes that's difference between therapist and coach this is this is a very general one. Is it okay to get my therapist gift since. We're right near christmas time right now that that question is a valid one that comes up and clients will leave and ask me in general i would say it depends on what the gift is. I have clients. Want to give me a christmas card. I'm totally cool with that. Or maybe they write me a note saying hey thanks for your help. Have a good holiday. Thanks for the thank you for being there for me and a nice in a nice car. I've had i've had clients that will like bring me and just like a little pack of cookies. They made its heartfelt and it sets that for me. I will accept those kind of now. I don't accept money or gift. Cards free or or anything with a monetary value attached to it in in. There's a reason for that because the then without getting too deep into it and going down that rabbit hole. Now there's like a. There's like a monetary system set up. That's not part of the relationship right. And and i don't say a there might be clients that might do this intentionally. They might do it unintentionally but they why gave them one hundred dollars gift card. And one of my. I didn't get anything back from them. Okay but that could happen. It's a possibility. I mean that likely So i think it's okay to get your therapist a gift as long as it's something that's very simple or something that that comes from you and not something that you've purchased you. Put a nothing of real monetary gift card a card a note a handwritten letter expressing or or. Maybe maybe maybe you do painting at home and you have this little paint little thing that you painted or coaster or something. Ross helped you out. So that's happy. Trump is that you've done on your own that you just wanted to give. I think those are okay. How much does your therapist sure about their own life. This is another question that comes up. That's actually an intriguing question because w- as somebody who may want to be looking to do therapy and they may not be comfortable with it but you wanna get to know who you are talking to. So how much information should have therapist share back to connect with their client. That a great question in it really is about creating openness entrust in a relationship. Now i can for me as a therapist like i don't ever share stories about. Oh yeah my my wife. And i went to meyer this weekend and we couldn't find fruit. Yeah you know what. That's just not pertinent to that therapeutic relationship right now a client might say to me. Oh yeah you know i. I'm trying to think of something general that happen. Oh yeah you know my. Might you know i this big blow with my dad and i feel bad about it and i'm like yeah. Relationships dads can be tough. I know or were even better yet when a client expresses passing away on. You know my dad passed away last month and i can say that's really tough. I know my dad passed. That was a hard time for me. So i can relate it without. I'm stating a fact. But i'm not going into details about my life in general. I'm just. I'm just making that connection. As far as were we have similar experience alone. Potentially right feeling exactly now if you have a therapist that spends half of your session talking about themselves. That's a problem. Danger yes indefinitely. That's something you should address with that therapist because that's that is not okay. I'm not here for you. You're here for me right. You wouldn't believe how many therapists do that that. There's a lot over the years i've seen a lot of therapists who really enjoy talking about themselves. Not good this is a good one. Okay this i think this is the one i was waiting for. Could be how long therapists sit in silence with a client. This is the one now. The there's all there's a for and i'll let you guys and it's not a secret. It's just something that happens from time to time. Sometimes i will get a client. Who who who will say. As let's say i i don't know noncompliant and non compliant. I mean like a lot of times. We'll get clients that are court ordered because of like a dui or a or a some kind of legal issue. And i'll del come in but they're not. They're of their own their of their own fruition. Yeah there because they're being forced to okay. I see you know more. And that's the attitude they have that i'm here. I'm not gonna say anything or do anything told. I had to be here. The the other the other population that tends to be that way as if you have an adolescent or teenager come in and they're because typically they're brought in by the parents because johnny's acting out in an asshole do something right so i i'll tell you a distinct specific story. I was working with an adolescent. Probably in the thirteen year old ranging and very defiant like totally defined at home very rebellious defiant. And you know. I always consult with with the parents first and then i see that the kid with by themselves and so i talked with parents. We bring the kid and it's me and the kid and he sat there with his arms crossed and he said i. I'm not gonna talk. Because i don't wanna talk school. We don't have to talk so at and that was all i said. Silence an every once in a while. We'll i just take a glance at my washed. Cba awang great and after about thirteen minutes. He's like well. How long is this going to last. Yeah as soon as started now the and and by the end of the session. We're having a conversation right right. I'm telling you people cannot stand silence it so uncomfortable for them so for me as a therapist. Sometimes i implement silence. Because i know that most people can't stay silent. But you're nonverbal cues. Look at your watch. You know you're you and that's not an disrespect because for those of you are my clients or who have a therapist if you're looking at their watch that shows that they're disinterested so i would never do that with with a client that i'm honest saying yes but yes. The nonverbal cues with the kid. The kid absolutely. I can do that. Because i know that he's thinking the same thing right and the fact that i know what time it is and he doesn't. That's i love it. So so i how long for me. My records probably thirteen minutes. But if it's therapeutic to sit in silence for a half hour. I could do that and i would not feel uncomfortable with it but again you the my my thought goes to every person is different absolutely every session in a different way so good on you yes absolutely. Let's hit the big ones. Because i t's the so. I wanna make sure we get in these kind of all kind of go together. Should you ever date a former therapist. Kenneth therapist fall in love with client. Ken clients be friends with former therapists. Is it normal to develop a crush on your therapist so a lot of these kind of go together and believe it or not and you've probably seen new stories about this that these things have happened. It's happened with therapists that's happened. Doctors that's happened with professors. These things happen as a therapist. Ethically and is part of our licenser as part of our replying for licensure there couple of things that we have to have to verify or confirm continuing ed credits and that that happens every five years. We always have to sign a statement of ethics. That is that and it's it's pretty similar but each state has their own requirements for that. But they're all pretty much contained the same things. Which is you shouldn't have a a relationship outside of the professional setting therapy whether it's friendship in really honestly it's it's a therapist. I like my clients. I like a lot of my clients. I probably would hang out with them outside of work. But that's not our relationship and you can't be a therapist and a friend because therapist is not your friend. Sure even though that therapists may care about you. It's it's a it's a relationship. Where there's a professional in your. That's helping you and it can be very personal and very intense but but to cross boundaries under friendship that then. That relationship is not. It doesn't work anymore so let's go further. Shoot you ever. Data former therapist. Believe it or not the code of ethics and many states. I know michigan's. They're they're the disclaimer states. Something to the effect of you'll have no outside relationship with a client for at least in and i'm gonna i'm gonna guess on the years. It's two or three years following termination of treatment so as far as the ethics board goes they say if you can have a relationship summit with someone but has to be at least two or three years after you terminate treatment to me even that i for me personally. I don't think that's healthy. Because because you've set up a relationship beforehand where there's a professional and the client and there's there it's just it's not. It's not a typical romantic relationship. Where you share things back and forth. I wouldn't be comfortable with that now. I can't say can't work but And so should you ever date a former therapists. The it's a. It's a good question. I i should say that if the therapist ethical it wouldn't be for at least a few years after your treatment has done and that means not having contact for that time zero tus right i i mean i suppose. Let's say hypothetical say you saw a therapist when you were twenty years old and twenty years later you happen to bump into him at a social event and you start talking okay. I could see that happening But there's been that gap and it's it's not been a professional relationship for a long time and this falls into okay. We talked about friends can fall in love with client day. Can they probably shouldn't have. Because it goes along. The the the thing i was just saying. You're really you want you want you have different feelings. It affects the therapeutic relationship and it's no longer professional and this one. This came up quite a bit normal to develop a crush on your therapist now. Let's define crush can you. Can you have like like an attraction to them like like like a crush. And i'm not saying like you would be in love with them but i think a crush in general is probably okay because listen. I and i'll give you real life examples. I'm a male therapist. I'm you know. I'm in my fifties. So when i when i see women clients which the majority of my clients because majority of clients are female. 'cause a lot of men don't seek therapy so so if i get if i get a female and who's having issues with a husband who doesn't listen to her. Who doesn't acknowledge her feelings. Who doesn't comfort her when she's in a bad mood now all she's getting all of this even though i'm a therapist i'm still giving her attention. I'm listening to what she's saying. I'm interested in what she has to say. I want to help her. Feel better so so i could see how that could be like. Wow this is. This is what i wanted home. So so a crush. I think is probably normal but if it goes beyond that and i'll i'll one more personal example. I had a client. I was probably out of school for two years was in the first couple of years. I was practicing. Is there. i was working at a clinic and dearborn. And i'd quiet and and saw her probably three sessions. But i could tell there. I i could tell this was like it would be like talking to somebody in a bar and they and that kind of that flirting that that you know you know and i could tell. She really wasn't opening up. So so i i focus that last session. I'm like hey listen. We need to really focus on on working on issues. And i feel like this is just very superficial for you so i kind of confronted her with and not in a mean way so she shows up probably a day later in her office holding an empty pill bottle and like well. What's going on with you because why just took all of these. Wow and. I'm like woo definitely some some like feeling issues towards me that affected so of course she comes back to the person she wants to save her and we had to call the ambulance. That had her hospitalized. Like that part it. And that's that's a rare example that that's not very common but but it as long as just a crush and there's not this unhealthy attachment. That's where it crosses the line. Okay yep i actually have. I have more questions to do. We we might. We might continue this for for episode. Let's do part three. Because i have one two three four five six seven seven eight more while going in tease those question. Okay let me throw. Let me throw a couple. Tease out for next time Pick and choose van thinking how much contact with a therapist between sessions is normal. Should i text or email. Might email my therapist actually know the answer to that. One therapist record sessions. How does the therapist foster dependency with a client which should never happen Which is more helpful as therapist or psychiatrist is therapist able to diagnose mental illness. What are what personality traits. Make up a therapist. Well those are so yeah. Those are all very intriguing so those are all good ones that we can address next time and and i think we'll continue with this because i think this is good information for people to have a specialist considering seeing a therapist re even if they have when they might not be happy with or maybe they don't think like they're progressing with and i will hit on that next episode to when we answer these questions. What what what what should be your your re. What should you accomplish in your therapy sessions. Because if you don't know what that is you're not going to know if you're making progress and that has to be clear the expectations between you and your therapist love it all right folks. We will see next episode with therapist. Qna part three. Who thunk it. There's there's zero. I love it. It's also change your thinking. Change your life laugh. Hard run fast. Be kind we will see you next time thirty.

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Housekeeping Hints

By The Book

40:15 min | 1 year ago

Housekeeping Hints

"Hey by the bookers before we get into today's episode just a reminder. We have a whole season of our other show. You can listen to. It's called. We love you and so can you. And it's makeover show for the heart. Take a listen as we try to help. People with predicaments. They're tackling and also try to help them just love themselves a little more for for more information. You can visit our episode description right on your phone right now or you can look for. We love you and so. Can you on Apple podcasts. Stitcher or wherever you you get your favorite shows. The following podcasts contains barnyard language and some adult content. So maybe listen headphones if you're at work or around small children and now here's the show. Hey celente yes kristen. Would you say that you're a decent housekeeper. I'm the person who does most of the housekeeping in my house. If that counts I do not know if decent would be the word to describe it. I'm how about yourself since I pretty much almost never keep house. I don't really really no if I'm good or bad at it. I mean someone who prefers to just skip housework altogether I absolutely am and believe it or not. There's actually a book out there there that's dedicated to all the ladies like me who'd rather skip the housework. I want to live by that book. Well buckle up my friend because we're about to because I'm Kristen I minor and I'm Jon Greenberg and this is by. The book is going down in in so much pain. Need Somehow ooh self held by the by the by the by the blue in each episode of by the book. We choose a different self-help book to live by. Follow it to the letter and weigh in on whether or not it actually changed our lives and for this season an arsonist season. Were doing it all through the Lens of history in each episode will focus on a different decade and a self help bestseller that defined that decade reading and living by an original rather than updated version of the book that means and this and all episodes of the season there may be some language that sounds stated. This season began with at the nineteen thirties. And today we're hitting up the swinging sixties with Bilas diller's housekeeping hints by Phyllis diller born in nineteen seventeen Phyllis diller was one of the first female comics to become a household name in America beginning her life as a quiet dedicated student. She dropped out of college in Nineteen thirty thirty nine to marry. Her husband's sure would have six children and become a housewife in nineteen fifty two. She began working in radio. That led to her starring in Bay area area. Television series called. Phyllis diller the homely friend maker in which she dressed in a housecoat to offer absurd advice to homemakers in nineteen fifty five. She brought her comedy to the standup stage for the first time. And by the nineteen sixties. She was performing her comedy in Greenwich Village with up and comers like Barbara Streisand as her opening act. More than forty films followed as well as hundreds of television appearances over the next five decades from ruin and Martin's laugh in and Ed Sullivan show to the muppet show and family guy. Why she also starred in two of her own shows? One of which earned her a Golden Globe released multiple comedy albums and wrote a number of bestselling books poking fun at domestic life. If and herself including Phyllis diller housekeeping hints Phyllis diller housekeeping. Hands was released in one thousand nine hundred sixty six and according to the dedication was for all all the ladies who would rather skip the housework with a foreword by Bob Hope and illustrated by Susan. Parole the slim volume did as much to make fun of the expectations. Put on women to keep a perfect home. As it did to laugh at Dillard's ineptitude and disinterest in the domestic arts Phyllis diller housekeeping hints. Became one of the top ten nonfiction bestsellers of nineteen sixty six alongside. Truman capote's in cold blood and the random house dictionary of the English language and along with diller's other books comedy albums his TV and Film appearances and stand up work. It's a meant at her place in entertainment history wild breaking gender barriers in the comedy world. Here's how you do it. Step one create read the illusion of good housekeeping use. Bedspreads that touch the floor. So no one can see. What's under your bed? Keep your sink full of dishes. It's a good way to cover up a dirty sink. And and remember women with certain qualities like film star Jayne Mansfield don't need to excel in the domestic realm aim for those qualities by following. Phyllis schedule Monday and Tuesday. Get Your beauty rest Wednesday through Saturday go to the beauty parlor and Sunday. Allow yourself to relax and read the funnies step to succeed in the kitchen without setting foot in the kitchen. Don't apologize to your husband about your cooking. He could have checked at the high school and found out that you got straight F.'s. And Home Economics. Add the word supreme to everything you serve hamburger supreme toasts supreme etcetera prepare. Phyllis most successful recipes. There are two blank pages full of them in the book. Don't feel you're lying when you use the term home baked when the bakery is in town step three b the hostess with the least this no matter how well your guess no you pretend that you have class if someone calls and says they'll be right over throw everything down the closed shoot including the children and and do not have company when the sunlight is streaming through the windows all the dirt shows up either entertain at night or close the drapes and break the cord step for no phone etiquette and how to get around it remember that a well used phone never collects dust. If your husband complains that you're on the phone too often remind him of all the useful things as you use the phone for like ordering groceries and don't give away any telltale signs that might reveal how long you've been on the phone. Step five pinch pennies while looking like a philanthropist turned on the heat when you're burning birthday candles instead of getting a new Easter outfit each year. Just go to a different church each year instead. Add us the hair cream with the tagline a little dabble. Do you then use only half tab and trick your husband into taking you out for dinner by saying it will cut. Don't on the grocery bill step six reconcile. The problem of having a spouse never go to bed mad. Stay up and fight US terms of endearment German. When you fight like sweetheart you know? I can't stand your fat. Had Mother Darling and Sweetie. I'm leaving you honey. If you ever drink drink that much again that's what the book says. And so that's what we did for two weeks straight. So Jolanta tell us about your first week of living by Phyllis diller housekeeping. I am dying to hear about your experience. Well after I I read the book I thought I'd start with the step. That comes most naturally to me and that is definitely step new marrone number two. Yes that succeed in the kitchen without setting foot in that kitchen yes I have a history of not being too into kitchen east of like cooking or just mainland cooking. We know similar to you but my partner Brad is the exact opposite. He takes cooking and baking berry very serious. Yes he does so one morning after he'd gone and picked me up a coffee and a pastry. I took the books advice and decided to lie and say that my breakfast I was home. Baked and coincidentally Brad was baking in the kitchen at the time. Take a listen. You've aching cake. I'm eating a homemaker discount. Just like your cake. I bought that you bought it at the farmer's market. It was home baked by someone right. You don't know it. Sure right like who would you buy from the guy who sells biscuits at the farmers market where that baked goods get baked in. Someone's home I don't in a bakery like that is like someone's home. You get the same amount accredited from the picture of in on instagram and said home baked. Okay first of all. You're hilarious second of all Brad does not sound impressed in the slightest here. Yeah he was a a little more confused and annoyed that impressed but I had fun. I thought it was super funny. Yeah after that I hit a step three that is being the hostess hostess with the least us yes so for that I decided I wanted to tackle our entry way area because when anyone comes over it's the first thing may see right you've seen it and it was the first thing you saw so I figure if it looks like really chic and like no clutter people assume my entire house has no clatter and then I'm just sort of always the hostess with the Least Nice joining the least amount possible to try and impress people low. I took the bugs advice. I shuffled my clutter down the laundry. I wish I did. I don't have a laundry shoot sadly so I had to find other hiding hiding spots but I made do and so here. I am showing the results to Brad. Okay can you say being so for the dog like towel in your helmet. I WANNA keep your if that's okay just 'cause like it looks like we're cleaner and like less this garbagey. If it's like a scar your sweater hanging on the pegs right and that way we can give them fresh. And that we don't have like a dirty dog eh but hold on. That doesn't answer my question. Did you throw all the stuff. And so we have a little entry way table and normally we have Like Brad's ads. Helmet hanging above it and like the towel for when it's rainy outside to wipe the dog seat when he comes in from the walk but I was like you know what I'm going to get a little box to put on the shelf the entry table and put all the dirty ugly stuff in that box and then no one sees it so you essentially created a trash box in front entry way but the trash box. You can't if we it's not I level. Yeah exactly and no one looks down low. No no and if you don't have a laundry shoot having a trash box in the front that is discrete. It was perfect. I think Phyllis should be proud of you. Thank you thank you well. What did you do after that so I ended my first week with step one? And that's just creating the illusion of good housekeeping. What did you do for that? I liked. What the book says about keeping your sink full of dishes is a good way to cover up a dirty sink that really resonated with my heart and our sank thank is usually like dirty so instead of wiping it towards the end of week one I just put some dirty dishes okay and then I just kept putting more dishes over it and I decided decided for the rest of the two weeks? I just keep putting dishes in the sink and see what happens. Phone my God and what happened then. Well that was the end of my first week. There's a whole nother week of them and then you'll find out alright. So we're ending things with about eight hundred pounds of just yeah diabolical dishes plan. You have a large I think too I do I do. It's got like two sections. It can fit all the dishes. Who can I please hear about your first week living by Phyllis diller housekeeping hints? Absolutely and. Just start off not to brag or anything but I went into this book feeling pretty confident I was like I feel like because Kristen has a dean. Yeah she's pretty good at giving the illusion of a really well kept house without doing a thing. Oh darn thing at all so I figured I would just keep coming wing what I already do. Just kind of turn it up a notch and I started with step one creating the illusion of good housekeeping. Yes and I already introduced long bed skirts just to our home on day one. So I'm like yes. I did it even store under the bed. Also dust bunnies. Yeah all all the bunnies. Yes and everyday already stacked plenty of dishes in the sink champion. Yes but what I decided to do since I already do those things to focus mostly on. Phyllis xvbeauty schedule. Yes yes so. The first couple of days I took beauty rest as she says and then I did this. Well it's Wednesday. And according into Philip schedule I should be doing beauty parlours sorts of things between now and Saturday and so I decided to buy a group on to get something called an IP L. Facial At a place near Grand Central Station in an office building and I'm not really sure how legit this says but I will give it a goal and I will see if this beautifies you too faez me. Regardless I think I'm fulfilling my obligations to at least try to follow the beauty schedule Ooh L. Laser. I love a good faceless. How did it go? How did turn out well as you can see? I don't look like Jayne Mansfield. Your your face looks tweet you no what Dean said the same thing really no way actually. It just looks like a little lake. It just look like clump toy. Yeah that's what he said too he. He thought that there was is a smoothness to the surface. And it wasn't there before and so I mean if I can just have those qualities of beauty then I don't have to keep house right. Gosh that's philosophy. That's that's like the philosophy sophy of the book right that would you do next. I moved along to step two and that is succeeding in the kitchen without setting foot in the kitchen. Yes and for this yes. I modified FELICIA's tips just a little bit Like her I didn't for my husband right and I refused to apologize for it But unlike her I decided to be honest about why it was a good thing that I wasn't cooking. Listen so I was tempted to serve you a leftover. Stir fry with erase in the fridge but the races over ten days old which means it's probably growing bacteria that would kill us. That's bad we should probably come poss- yeah we should. But I just wanted to let you know I could've played a con you but I'm not going to do that. I'm just GonNa warn you giving me some kind of choline trolling fiction. No I could have served it to you. Call that stir fry supreme but first of all. I don't ever cook so I think you would found a suspicious that I suddenly was making dinner and second of all I would have felt really guilty. 'cause I would've made you sick so true also would have been suspicious because of that life insurance policy you just. There is no life insurance policy but there's also cooking and there's no sickness through interesting but I'm very glad you both survived and you didn't cook that's correct What did you do next? I skipped ahead to step five. Okay pinching pennies to look like a philanthropists. Yeah and for this one and I decided to meet up with my friends Carly Sarah at that big new glossy grocery store in our neighborhood. You know the one. Oh I know I've seen the ADS. But how is the saving money well. The three of us spent most of our time eating at the restaurant inside the store instead of wasting it on groceries right. How did that go pretty good it till I got home to dean? Listen honey oh my gosh. The House tidy. So so. How was your afternoon while I was out grocery shopping with the girl assumes good some lunch and then I cleaned the bathroom and the kitchen living on next very tedious while I might say well? Yeah it's you know so we can go to your house look nice otherwise otherwise. The week. We'll get away from you before you know you'll we living like a hoarder while you remember was that was like oh I'm totally could and you were never order honey. But sometimes we're just going to get these things done on the weekends. I hope you had out with your friends. I did and it was very productive. I went grocery shopping. And I bought watt. Those four things Mois Kristen. I don't know what you mean like. Listen what's the problem you had with your friends deemed clean the whole house and you brought home. Those four items apparently had to get it may on the surface seem like things were good. There was starting to feel like something was amiss. I mean I'm not GONNA lie. There was a dig egg about you possibly being a horror before he met you and then just kidding yes and then also did you hear earlier when he mentioned life insurance. Yes and all that calling me sweetie while explaining all the housekeeping way is dangerous. Doing step six reconciling the problem of having a spouse by Sweden being you. That's snuck all. He was doing shit. Tell me more well. You're going to have to wait until week to to find out what I meant by that but before we do that. Everyone everyone out there. Listening we WANNA know have you lived by Phyllis diller housekeeping hints. Did it work for you. Share your story at facebook dot com slash groups slash. Bt she be pod or email us at Kristen Angela at gmail.com you can also leave us a voicemail at three zero two four nine bucks. That's three zero. Two four four nine two six six five Okay Jolanta. We laughed off week. One with you deciding to fill your sink with dishes nonstop. I respect that. Thank you thank you and now I want to know what happened in week two. How did that start off? Okay so first thing I did too was step four. That is knowing your phone etiquette and how to get around it right so brandon. They pretty much agree on how horrible our phone etiquette is allowed to be. You know if I'm being honest we are monsters. Who Wander around our apartment? Attached to our phones owns. And there's really nothing for me to subvert. You know like he's fine with that he's probably worse than I am. Just continue eleven is yeah so but regardless of that. I started talking to Brad about how we do agree on our rude phone etiquette and that led to a very surprising discussion on our beliefs and etiquette in general and then specifically shower etiquette. who take a listen shower? Yes everyone shower. I do really show every fucking down shower. I've PROBAB- 'cause I can and I probably have to be. Why would that flush the toilet or wastewater when I can just peadar during that gets washed down with water and so much so because now you're pisses in my clean space raise? It gets washed down with so. Have you never beaten this hour no ever not ours. It really really weird do do you mean a stop okay. Brad doesn't pee in the shower yet. Apparently he picks them up three. I am so like so shook by. I am team P in the shower and I'm going to posit an opinion here a theory I think Phyllis diller probably is totally. One of her hands was was like if you have a dirty dish like give it to your neighbor with some food in it and clean it for you. I think she's okay with being in the show. Yes so what happened with that conversation. Nothing I asked him if he wanted me to stop and he was like I don't know and I was like okay. Get back to me. And he hasn't so I mean maybe we can check in at the bonus episode Muncie. If he's made up his mind maybe but in the meantime I vote just keeping in the shower because Phyllis would probably be in February and I mean that is what I did next instead gun five. Oh explain well after. I peed in the shower. I decided to pinch pennies even though I wanna look like a philanthropist. Yes how'd I do that. So I decided to take Phyllis advice about dabble do you in the shower and here. I am giving that a shot again after artie peeing in the shower the shower. I desperately tried exit us half dollar of my new and I'm John that real. Oh maybe one main hair I need like five more hold down. There is no fucking way. Sorry in a lot of hair way more product than normal people and I tried. I was like I can do this. I've always used too much product. I will use use half a DAB and I ended up using like five klotz tough. I mean I don't have as much. Here's your here's like five times thicker than my mom is a hairdresser and she has always spend my whole life. I have four times the amount of Herod normal person should. It's an insane amount. So maybe you need four jobs so that was a failure but you know what was so interesting and not a failure step one remember that one. Step one that's what. The dishes piling got a sink from week one. Yes what happened with that. So towards the end of my second week I walk past the kitchen and instead of seeing my beautiful growing pile of dishes perhaps him there and so I had to check out what he was up to the same. Why I I know? I let bill all week. Stiller Stiller says the best way to hide a dirty sink as pitches so. This was intentional. Gang did you notice I was messier. Yes and look at God taking care of it. I didn't have to lift a finger it just had to give way messier than either of us would have liked but you did all the cooking and eating this week I was getting in some some of those. Are Your cereal Israel balls. No No. It's not fair but I didn't have to do it. I can't believe this your design the suicide soon as you manage. Yes there's been like the aftermath spaghetti. Yes there's been this aftermath uh-huh Spaghetti squash dinner that there are no leftovers of since then I've been cleaning up straight spaghetti squash. Yeah and this so that I would just go just just so. I didn't have to clean. I don't like this understand. Joe Lent ten out of tag. You did it. Phyllis his way and and you won that Wally Rats uh-huh full emotional. During that revealed it was just such a joy to watch him like cleaning like laugh. It off and then get so angry. Nice it sounds like you Are Killing it with all these steps and you did all of them I think except step six. That's the one about reconciling. The problem of having a spouse. Well I said I signed up step six perfectly because that's step one really pissed. I have another diary. I ended up cutting because it was so repetitive. But it's just him reiterating the fact that I had done all the cooking and eating that week not to mention overall he always does all of our cooking and cleaning in the kitchen. So why was I even fucking with the kitchen. He was pissed. I but the book says you can't go to bed mad. You have to stay up and bite so I knew I couldn't just ignore how pissed off. He was and celebrate. Great my win so first I reminded him. It was just an experiment and upper ever that I was sorry and I did not mean to take advantage of him with the experiment and he was sort of over and then I reminded him. Hey at least we know how to argue because Kristen and dean when they fight fight it sounds like a greeting card and that made him laugh and then we just sort of joking about how you guys fight and then this happened. That's fine. Kristen is to sign an. I don't like it in the Coven audience. Fine I'm sorry if you need to mess with you. Oh I I am so sad that we had this fight will yes. This is a fight. This is hard version of an argument. Is that Mrs Potts from beauty and the UN green arguing and US making fun of how your own norms worry old Brad. You've got to do better. Because that sounded like Mrs Potts from being unanimous sounded a lot like and like the Leprechaun from frosted lucky. Charms goes to enough guardless Your notes on his impressions Following that books advice step six led to Brad and I joking at AH your expense instead of fighting so I'd say at the end of the day very fun way to end my week too. Nice as long as you're happy I'm happy I am sorry if you're offended. I'm not offended. I just want the accents three better. Also Angela Lansbury played Mrs Pot so blink I consider it a complimentary all levels. Yes I didn't say it was an insult I just said I want accidents to be more important. Okay Kristen I need to know about your second. I can't week affiliates steelers housekeeping hints. So when we left off you were feeling something was amiss. Dean was maybe joking about you. Killing him for life insurance and you being a hoarder yes all of that is true and then at the beginning of two he decided to take it to the next level. Oh Oh I can't wait to hear next level passive aggressive dean. Well if you're going to get a haircut and a beard trim and all of that stuff I think I'll just I'll keep myself the busy here at home. Then what's going on. Why would I know that because you're at harmon busy doing stuff beautiful? You know who you married honey. Now I know it sounds like deans joking there. About Hey Christian you need to make dinner. But I'm pretty pretty sure he meant it because the next night. He just outright tricked me. Oh really I totally thought that was like a passing comment. What happened so you know how I love me? Some quality time as they say in the five love languages activity girl. Oh I love activities so dean said Hey. Hang with me in the kitchen while I make us dinner but before you know what this was happening a little you I joined cutting on. Did you just talk me into getting into cooking. Well you know I was busy pressing need some help with. Somebody's keeps album on my God. I can not all of us. I thought it was just keeping your company in the kitchen by being pretty smells fabulous dean. What the HOOPLA? Aw He's playing your own game against you. Did he read this book. ooh literally tricking you. This is bullshit. Yeah but guess what what he wanted even more because the next day I could not help but notice that there was wet laundry in the washing machine and then when I walked by the washing machine an hour later there were. We're still washing machine and then finally hours leader. I broke down and I did this Hon. Honey there's laundry in the Washer. It's here a really long time a you're GONNA hang up to dry. Do you want me to throw some contesting. It was next on my list of things to their. You check it off at a make my day. Did you actually hear what I just said. I offered of my own volition to take laundry out the washing machine and hang to dry. When is the last time I've done that? Have I ever done that. And that is your the answer. Dina's playing you. Oh yeah he's playing you hard. So what are you did. What did you hang the laundry Andrei? Yeah so I did hang the laundry on that thing image that you hang laundry on. Its drying rack. Yes that's what it's called yes but then I just like confronted him. I need to ask him what the deal was Are you trying to turn me into a housewife. Who to me? Why would I do that? I do you walk trying to turn me into Joe. That's fucked up. I know I know. What do you even do next? So we decided to call a truce okay and then. We teamed up for steps four and three. Oh interesting so that's phone etiquette and hostess with the least. Yes so what we did. is we each strategically weekly. Used our phones. We each texted a couple of people and we said Hey. Why don't you all come over? Tomorrow night we'll entertain you Nighttime yes nighttime time as performances advice so no one can see any of the dust in the house. The not like there was a NECAS. Dean keeps up to Clean House. I heard passive aggressively. Yeah but that's not all not only. Do we use the nighttime tactic here. I am greeting two of our guests. Marian Jen and you can hear what we did. Thank you guys look so cute. What what does that brought a salad? Oh my gosh. It's beautiful some drinks. Oh that's cheesy crackers all my gosh. It's beautiful voids perfect. Come on everyone's already already. You sneaky little be it was. They brought brought their own food to the party. Damn straight potluck at we did not lift a finger. We did not cook anything. We did not pour any drinks. We did not mix any any drinks all night. And that's what I thought Phyllis would have been most problem. As I told her advice. I took it to the next level just like she would have wanted to deny tonight. Together teamed up and tricked people and at the end of the day we won so beautiful phyllis would be so proud. Thank you so much. All right. We're GONNA take a quick break. And when we come back we're going to deliver some verdicts. Yes but first. A reminder we want to hear from you have you lived by Phyllis diller housekeeping hints share in your story at Preston and Joe Winter g mail DOT COM or call us at three zero two four nine bucks. That's three zero two four nine two six six five seven if there's something interfering with your happiness or preventing you from achieving your goals better. But her help online. Counseling can help better help offers. Licensed professional counselors specialized in issues such as depression anxiety relationships trauma anger anger family conflicts. LGBT matters grief self esteem and more connect with your professional counselor in a safe and private online environment. 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Actually work would we recommend it first of all. This book was fucking fun to read. It was really money. It's a fun it's funny. It has illustrations some of the illustrations. Look like someone went in and like cross stuff out in the book and wrote over it with a pass it has funny Johnnie and it holds up. It really transported me to a different time. You know through these jokes and like Barry. Absurd hypothetical situations diller posits. You get a surprisingly accurate and I would say so boring. Glimpse into the expectations. Women were dealing with in the sixties. And and it's just so cleverly subversive about all of these things. It's just a nice relief from daily expectations. When and you read it and it's just so clever and loaded for how short the book is which I loved it was a delight I would say it did not? Foley changed my life but it did definitely help me joke around with the expectations. I put on myself and I put on my environment or that. I think people put on me and it reminded me that some of these expectations that I take seriously like I do it for no reason. And maybe I can lighten up a little bit like. I didn't implode by not doing dishes for a week. And like yeah she got messier than I'd like but it also reminded me like. Yeah I'm allowed to let things slide and live my life and it'll don't get dealt with Brad picked up the slack then which was great right. Yeah and not to mention it led to gripping debate on peeing in the shower or and a beautiful reenactment of you andy inviting. So I'd say there's nothing not to love and I would definitely recommend reading the book from that just to lighten shit up and like see some good fun doodles from the sixties and some Nice domesticity jokes. How about yourself? Kristen while like you I have got to say. This book was such a delight to read Phyllis diller is super funny And I laughed out loud many times while reading it especially that one point where she keeps on referencing like when you get to page fifty six. You're going to see my no fail recipe and you're just so much build up and there's so much build up for and then by the time you get there and it's just blank pages so funny. She is hilarious and like you. I think she did a great job of spotlighting. How ridiculous list? The expectations are now. Probably still but definitely back then in the news. Xt's those expectations put on middle class. Women to be great housekeepers. I mean she really elise showcases how ridiculous it all is but as you know as far as my personal life goes I already kind of live. Phyllis diller homemaker life. I don't do anything in my house right and when I lived this book I really just amped up the nothing even more until of course dean turned the tables right and I have to say I'm glad he did. Because he does so much to take care of me and our home and at the end of the day it was actually fun to work with him side by side in the kitchen. It was fun to hang up laundry with him and you know even if it was just for a week it kind of made me appreciate everything. He does a little bit more. Oh Nice so my verdict on on this book is read it do it. especially if you have inequities as far as who work in the household the book may shine a light on those inequities and they may cause ause you to laugh a lot along the way because I left Julius book all right. That's it for this episode of by the book huge. Thank you to our fabulous. Production team had stitcher our producer nor Ritchie and our engineer. Andy Kristen's dance. Thanks also to nate wider. Who composed our theme song? Jared Arnold who produced this season's new very hot version of the theme song and and our very own producer Miss North Ridge. I singing that said theme song. 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Cheerful Book Club: How to Fail by Elizabeth Day

Reasons to be Cheerful

33:42 min | 2 years ago

Cheerful Book Club: How to Fail by Elizabeth Day

"Hello. And I hope you don't mind as popping up in your face like this here on the wrong day where the unexpected guests is like when the vicar pops round. Yeah. Which never actually happens in real life. Seventies sitcoms every episode of every sitcom failed hairy, June less fashionable these days. I mean, of course, you've got the priest in fleabag, which is not the same thing, but maybe it's even Lucien of anyway, we're getting rather off-topic. We are off topic. What is this? We here we're here because we're launching a new podcast and this is a pilot school. Cheerful book club where we interview authors mainly nonfiction about there are so many great books, and great ideas out that we haven't had room to have them on the main guest that turns up on a Monday. So as a little treat for you here is the first bonus episode of our new baby. Cheerful book club. So I'm delighted on. Cheerful book club. We have Elizabeth day who's written a book, how to fail based on her incredibly successful four series in podcast. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you say much for having me. I loved the idea of a cheerful Berkeley. Yeah. Well, indeed, I really think you've done something, very important, which is getting us to talk about failure of got a lot to say. Let me ask you first what prompted you to do the podcast, first of all, and then and then the book, well, the short answer is I got dumped. And this October twenty seventeen and it was the end of a two year relationship, and it was ended out of the blue in quite briefs away. And it was three weeks before my thirty ninth birthday, just find myself looking back at my thirties and realizing that they had been a decade of enormous transition. So while I had been moderately, professionally successful I've made a living as a journalist, and I had published four novels sounds like very modest. Definition of an egregious. Humble brag. The definition of somebody who's forty brought up thinking that only if they became president of the United States, they've truly been success. None of my novels on the Booker prize. That's the definition of failure. The but passively things had been derailed, so I had got married and divorced. I had tried and failed to have children. I had two rounds of IVF unsuccessfully, and then I had a miscarriage it three months. And then after that, this, this new relationship had ended. And so my life had not taken the shape that I had onto supported and hoped that it would take. And when I was in that frame of mind, I felt so sad that I wasn't listening to pop music, because it was triggers really emotional response on you just broken up was on. I was listening to Lhasa podcasts. And one of the puck assisting to as well as as to be careful was Esther browse west, we begin, which is all about opening the door into a couples counseling session, and a ballot honest, open intimate conversations where we should've on Bity and those two things connected in my head, and I was like, how great would it be? If we could broaden the conversations I'm having with my. Friends about how we feel about life where we are. And, and then I also realized looking back at my thirties, the times of greatest growth for me actually calmer of the times of crisis, and that's not to say that I think I should go around, actively pursuing failure. But it just meant that it pushed me to really analyze where I wanted to be in who I was and what I most desired, and that was the Genesis, the book cost. I mean, haven't you put your finger incredibly important? I think you have, which is we really don't like to talk about failures Santi. We really is, is like it's like a big to be I suspect in the sort of your book, I'm sure is doing well, but this failure section in the book shops is less than the sort of success. I, I think social media is a force for good in so many ways, but it's also somewhere where you feel you'll constantly, comparing your life to other people's version of curated perfection. And because we are increasingly connected, not only two people. We know but also to celebrities. There's this sense. The we're constantly trying to aspire to live that ultimately beyond our reach, because I can't be Paltrow because I don't have a personal macrobiotic chef. And I'm not willing to work out two hours, a day time all the money to do the week of everything else. Exactly, not the talent. No, I didn't mean or ads. But we're being encouraged to feel like they're just like us because of things like Instagram because of mediated access and anew. Right. That failure has become quite tabu. There's a great deal of shame around and for me, I was very keen to open that discussion and to and to release that fee that balloon of shame. What is failure choosing? I think failure is when things don't go according to plan and what's interesting about that is that, then you have to question the plan, whose plan is it, and why have you come up with it for yourself because for me if I don't at my own personal experience. I just always grown up, assuming I get married and have children. And there was a lot of kind of cultural. Baggage that I grew up in the eighties. So there are wrong calms where it just ended in that way, those films ended in that way. And as young girl in the eighties, I was raised at school to be pleasant implying, a nice, and I wasn't really. Yes. But but to play tennis msrb. Badly. And therefore, I had this narrative in my head predicated version of a future me. But will I now I realize that the future you doesn't exist by the time you get to the age when you're meant in your head to be doing things. You might want something totally different and actually is limiting to have a very restrictive plan. Because my life is rich because it hasn't gonna go to your plan. And you've talked to lots of people now for the podcastone, and you talk to them. Also his book, what's the thing? You've learned most. From about this thing failure also single biggest lesson, if that's not an unfocused, and now that I've genuinely find doing my pocus life changing for me. And one of the more recent interviews. I did was with a mangled mo- guide dot who was a chief business Google X, and he was incredibly successful but was not happy. And so developed an algorithm, happiness, applying his scientific and engineering skills. And doing twelve years of research, and coming up with an equation that he can make everyone old, and he was establishing not only because he'd written about this, but because it was put to the test when his son Ali died, tragically aged twenty one during a routine operations and mow was therefore, confronted with that challenge of going on living, even though this devastating thing had happened. And he said to me, you exists separately from your thoughts was actually a profound and somewhat Buddhist philosophy which. Is that your brain produces thoughts, as organic matter in the same way, the other organs, produce, organic matter? You would not think you were defined by blood because it's pumped Rancho forty by heart. You would not think you were defined by your your. So why would you think that you'll by your thoughts your brain is processing and is giving you names for things that you're witnessing? But when your brain is telling you incredibly anxious and your failure, and you'll doesn't anymore because you've just had a wry with your brain is not actually an objective witness. And is not always telling the truth. And the way that he does this on a practical level is he gives his brain and name, he calls his brain Becky because Becky was really annoying girl, at his school. And when his brain is pumping this negative narrative into his thoughts, he stops his brain and he says, Becky, I would like you to give me evidence for this assertion. And if you don't have evidence, I would like you to replace that negative with a positive one, and he claims that you can train your brain in this way how did. Algorithm. The help or hinder invoicing, personal tragedy. He said something the beautiful about that. He said, I wake up every morning after Ali died and for the first months and years, I was completely crushed with grief and devastation. And my first thought on waking was Ali died, he died. And then he said, but I thought that I could use a different word and say, yes, he died, but he also lived and I choose to celebrate that the fact that he lived and actually it's the same thought, but seen in a different way. Well. I've been reading the book. I suppose the lesson that you write about the most struck me walls, and correct me if I've got the wrong impression hit, which is, is failing to be yourself doing things. Other people want wanting to be like, not trusting yourself. Lesson. I feel that sort of thread going through it that you were wanting to please your parents. And then I'm sure with drivel of us than wanting to please your housemates in your twenties. Then, you know, your boyfriend husband, my writing thinking, that's the sort of completely rights very protective of the. Yeah. I spent a lot of time being a people pleaser and what I now, realize was the in doing that I was sourcing my sense of self because I didn't have a lot of certainty about who I was. And I was in a series of long-term Mandic relationships from the age of nineteen the age of thirty six and when you're in kind of long-term relationship, it's quite easy to do. It's quite easy to shape yourself around the contours left by someone else's presence. And I did the whole time. I was like, if I'm relentlessly perfect. No one will ever leave me or no one will ever find me on lovable and I will also be. Awarded. And of course, that's not true. And it's terrible way to live, you know, sort of fear of failing others, that in a way you judge yourself. Yeah. Because I'm just looking at how it relates to failure. But it sort of if I fail others. I'm failure. Yes. In there is in a way. Yes. And also you're failing to get to know yourself. So whilst people pleasing can seem like a very selfless thing. I think it's taken to extreme ultimately selfish because it means that you've never taken the time to get to know who you are, and to face up to the fact that you won't very far from perfect, but that, that is a good thing, because it makes you more human. And once I embraced my flaws and my vulnerabilities, and once I was truly honest about myself, it just became a much more liberating way to live. And for me that crash point came when my marriage ended and I was just forced to confront a great deal of shame. I fell but I. Hadn't made that work very interesting. I want to come onto the broader lessons. To try to think about in relationship book, and it has made me think a lot to me. Stop you right about this. I think what's the relationship between failure and success? I think that you can't appreciate success without having experienced failure. I so I start the with Truman Capote, quote, which is failures the condiment that gives successes flavor. And I truly believe that in the same way that I believe that there's such written about happiness moment and happiness being the ultimate goal of human existence. And whilst it's very nice to be happy. I also think that other emotions get a bad press because of its cultural precedents, and actually sadness can be a beautiful thing. Can be the impetus to create great art. And in the same way, I think failure teaches you to confront yourself as you really are. And it sometimes noncha- the universe in a slightly different direction that can end up being so much richer, as a result, and can ironically. Integrator successes. So the very obvious example, in my life is the height avail podcast and the subsequent book have been without died. The most successful things, I've ever done professionally, and that has only come as a result of all the things that have gone wrong and what about failure that is into route to success. I mean losing. Hypothetically, hypothetically springs to mind. And of course, it's compensation. I suppose I'm definitely convinced by this of Gareth Southgate, you know, in a way he missed a penalty tetras at TRE. And then he got redemption as England manager. But I mean, they're all painful failures with, you know, losing general election. Something that happens in your personal life. I mean there are just failures. Yeah. I agree. The and I'm obsessed with getting you on the punk ass, because I want to talk to you general Alexa. Choice. They'll be on the food to that. Yeah. Titians is almost like an extreme version of conditioning and I don't understand how you can cope with mentally anyone. That's a whole. Gosh. It must be so hard to divorce it because so much about your personal beliefs. So I think absolutely right. There are failures that's all failures will always seem like failures for the rest of your life, and you will always feel sadness and pain because of them and in my life. It's not losing John action. It's the fact that I don't have children, and that is, I'm going to burn losing adjourn election to not miscarriages. I know that I did that, but that is the cause of a great deal of sadness for me, but I'm also at peace with it, and I have chosen to be at peace with it. I have chosen to live without sadness. And I live with it still now that doesn't mean that I'm pollyannaish and everything has turned out beautifully because the flip side of not having a child is I can fly to New York. Notice is not that it's the I've experienced this, and what that loss is given me is like a deeper texture in my life because I've had this experience. I never thought I would have, which is what it is to be a woman that children age forty. I think I think if somebody, I knew says, digesting the failure, you know, it's sort of like a digestive system. Yeah. And maybe the tendency is to sort of not digest it, you know, to be just to look for the upside to well, this happened. But yeah, you're like Mike in my case, it would be well also general election, but I can see my children more. And, you know, I'm not going to be completely absent father, which I would have been his prime minister, you know what I mean? But I think that nothing is important to me, just like I'm sure they're important things of the saddens you have. But it doesn't it doesn't doesn't address the top allies. It you're right. It's a diversionary tactic. Sometimes, as you say, that's not to say that there aren't positives that come from. Things like that. But I do think there's a lot to be said for sitting with failure looking at square, in the face and asking any what it is trying to teach you because every single time something has caused me upset, and it hasn't worked out the way that I thought it would it really has taught me something integral to who I now, I'm and therefore, I wouldn't change it. That's the way things like I think, lots of people would feel the same way, if you ask them, would you would you eliminate this period of your life that caused you such a great deal of pain? Would you eliminate that relationship ended so badly? And I think the vast majority of people would say, no knowing that the knock-on effect is that they would be totally different as a result of those drew, I wouldn't eliminate having been the leader eliminated the loss of the election Nova series at the answers. We just don't do this poem, which is the way failures relates to our sort of relatively individualistic culture. I was very struck in the book that when you talked about your idea, it was like, you'll think it was something like your body's failed to respond to the drug, so like it was you or people to beaching cancer, or winning the race together place at a top university is very striking. Isn't it that it sort of failure is linked to sort of fault? In other words, it's your and I'm not saying I'm not denying agency in some cases. But it is very a field like is, is our culture makes not succeeding at something that you wanted to do. I think the broadly your description of the beginning. Always our fault into a personally. Exactly. And actually failure just is how you respond to it is in your gift and fading. It's something doesn't make you a failure necessarily, and the Ivy thing was really interesting because I could not think of a single other medical condition that has that terminology attached to it. So when I was going through the f-, first of all, I was always treated by men, the senior level, and Secondly, the language that they use was very much UAW ailing to respond to the drugs. You'll womb is an inhospitable environments. You have an incompetent cervix. This is literally the life, quench and no wonder women feel such degree of shame when they are failing to live their biological imperative fading to have children of fading to be a mother, and it was just sort of Moines brings me and actually what I was going through the process. I didn't realize at the time, I didn't think, question is only retrospectively that I've had this real whether is more general, the people who are getting cancer, new Herve like chemotherapy. I think you can. Well, imagine people being told your body's failing to respond to the drugs or you know, the tumor is failing tourists. That phrase beating cancer, you know, on determined to battle fight, and that isn't to say that the mindset of having cancer. I'm sure the mindset is important, and I'm not denigrating that, but it is, if feels like it's sort of this is this is embedded in a sort of deeper problem in a way it goes back to what was saying about us existing separately for organs because there are bodies, but our bodies sort of avatars, really, because we exist separately from them. We have a consciousness that we can observe are in thoughts are, so I think a lot of the terminology of medicine sometimes makes the mistake of assuming that you'll body annual solar one on the same. This is so deep this is so. Why did we talk about failures Zay was where I wanted to go next? Is very wise it early. The failure section in the in the book shops. It's Elizabeth day event. Yeah. I think I said before we came on cavalry this book called winners, and I had this sort of thought floated through my mind about a year ago, which was, you know, maybe I should have called loses, and I go, that's gonna make to be, maybe we'll know that anyway, but, you know, it's sort of at trivia level is like how you doing? The passing I'm doing fine people. It's hard. You know, I'm really shit actually know. Yeah. Well, I think people are scared. Of claiming it, and people, claiming people, maybe people give it sort of being contagious. Tell you agree. I realized having written the book is the things that I thought was my most personal failures. The things that were most difficult to write about actually have turned out to be the most universal. It's almost as if there's been this collective Sira leaf that someone has said it. Yeah. And I think that so much of our society in Britain is first of all, built around doing well exams gels and, and going into further education, if you can, and then going into a job where you get a set number promotions and you'll have a set number pay-rises, and that's how you can find yourself and it's a culture where we haven't historically, beating courage to talk about arm oceans and I have spent quite a beta time in America, and I find that I spend a lot of time in LA, and that particular culture, whilst at houses. Negatives is very much by talking and therapy and being open. And I think that I've been really influenced by that. And I'm very I'm not sure quite an open person anyway. And I, therefore think that talking Brennan, Brian has this phrase, which is about, if you put shame in Petrie dish, and you sprinkle it with openness and conversation sharing than it, shrivels and dies? And so the more that we talk about it, and the more that we assimilated, the better and I would say that in a school culture, is well, the I'm a big believer in trying the best you possibly can and trying to get the best exam results you can. But if having tried your best, you don't get the result that you wanted being taught that is okay, and that there are ways to get through that is very important thing. I mean it's really interesting. You should say this because my wife just eat. We talk about these things bit. But, but the thing I've always said to me ever since I met. Her is her parents taught her just do your best. They didn't say to her. You've got to try and be act. I mean I my parents did that to me, but, but do your best and if it doesn't work will, you've done your best. Yeah. And I know that sounds a bit. Trite maybe. But I think is quite important, because because it sort of accepts that you can't necessarily control the outcome. It's goes back to this thing about full, doesn't it? Yes. And it goes into the beauty of the tops get self rather than the BT of outcome, which on a deep level, also is about the beauty of you as a person beyond what you do. And I think for a long time I suffered under the misguided notion that people only liked me because I was a cheering things. And actually, that's not true. People like me hopefully because I'm fun to spend time with down the pob rather than, oh, I did Radi. Well, go nominative this award. Really wouldn't wanna show you a graph. Ooh. This is so admit about. Exactly. Nodding out here. General election. No, that extremely painful, it's a thing I saw a couple of months in the Washington Post, and it is, it's an article based on academic study about the parent trap and the greater countries income inequality like the parents push their kids to what card and is absolutely fascinating article based on some academic research, and I'm going to get to the growth. So, basically, this is a graph of parents in countries emphasizing hard work, that you'll dron verses inequalities inequalities on the X axis and the parents, using hard work, or than the Wyatt, is this, the highest inequality here. This is the highest inequality in the highest hard and look the grown that base Sweden is the least unequal country. The most equal country on the graph and the parents, sort of hard, hard work is much less of emphasis, and right at the top of inequality and hard work is China. Now you can sometimes you can draw graphs, and they don't really but I, I. I can't help there is something in this was. You talk about, I think, in your book about this little pressure of parental Brie, and I fell I sort of had that. Yeah. Say you have an older brother, I had an older sister. He was brilliant everything, and that's and that's you know. Important. But how do they define hard work in this? I think it's, it's parents who say, I think they give parents different qualities like imagination hard work and other things and say what's important to you about your kids. What your what your kids to do that? So in your is really interesting isn't it because? I think it's the fear of falling thin and the dry for veterans. Yeah. Three generations that how interesting. Yeah. So I think that's gonna put now I wanted to ask, then the sort of what should we do about all this? Burke. But you'll the you'll the yield explicit failure giving the nicest way. So here's some thoughts I've gone to see what remotely useful. Maybe we talked about. We teach failure in schools, teach what it means to me, you know. Yeah. I mean, I feel like schools g should be much more Buffy exams, anyway and mindfulness and allow the as is really important. But I think there's also something. You know about this, and I feel all if all that. You know, I lost generation twenty fifty. We didn't really we haven't we talked to kids, a cage, and we have two kids occasionally about this. But not really an you know, I think there's a teachable moment in any world. One's own failures your kids, definitely. I think I didn't mean Henry namby-pamby advantage. But I really think that having more and more conversations like this one is extremely helpful. I was very, very surprised when it was about two months ago, a male friend of mine was going through a divorce, and he sent me a message saying, I have used the word failure for the first time he had spoken the word faded for the first time about him. And I was so astonished that he had not able to claim that word for his forties, basically. And it strikes me that so many people must be suffering unnecessary. Shame about something that happens to all of us, and the more conversations there are, and the more. Conversations in school. There are the better and I also think that there's something about workplace culture. That goes deeper than just failure. But goes into what it is to work as a woman, and as a man, and as a non binary person in office spaces right now. Because historically the workplace is being geared around the needs of an alpha male and actually that doesn't leave a lot of space for the men to fail. Let alone the women to succeed and then needs to be just more integration of, of ways of doing things that places more emphasis on collaboration the possibility of failure rather than on perfection and meeting on your goals, and the bottom line. I just think there needs to be greater integration, definitely the search for perfection is coupled fruitless parenting. I was very truck. Mommy, rose. Liz, about your parents, sending you off to rush. On euro. Wolfe's. This was, how long was it for a month a month? Among though, the age of thirteen. Yeah. In, like Novi, something Novgorod of girl. Do you know what I'm saying ninety because no one's also invited? And I'm that's actually it was a major thing for me, surely walls. Why did you get sent to Russia to Novi? Grad question, basically I grew up in Northern Ireland. I know I didn't have the accent, but I did. And my secondary school in Belfast was the only school in the entire province that taught Russian and I for some reason, because I suppose I've got a slightly contrary nature. I'm going to learn Russian and I did. And I wasn't very happy that school, and I left off way through the year and I was still learning Russian on my parents. Well, it'd be really great for her to improve my language skills before she starts her new school in the autumn, and they had in their head, I think the notion of an exchange program. But because this was like nineteen Ninety-one. They weren't a real exchange programs to post in Australia. Wasn't any red either there, isn't it? And there was no fruit. I tell you. The quest for banana, skirt situation was sort of serious was and say they Pat me off Russia. And I think I did also binds it recently when I was writing the book, I was like, what how and why did he do that? Because shit and yeah, my parents in away, were quite complimentary and we thought you could deal with it because you very mature. And my father said, I think it's better to have adventures the non at all. And my Melissa looking back now, I'm not sure whether we would have made the same decision, but it seemed the right time and to be fat affect Yuji thing, I came back fluent in Russian yachts, affected me in a more personal way in that I think I have a fear of abandonment, and also really giving in Novi waltz for a month wake up that first one lychee top floor tower block in girled. There was no running hot water, and I had jam in my teeth for breakfast. I was remember that a lot of food. And I didn't understand the language. It was real immersion. And I remember waking up. And you know that thing when you wake up and you think that you're in your own bed, and then it takes you a wall to remember where you are. And I had that, and it was deep seated panic. And I realize neither I have that feeding when I have a break-up that's the feeling that I wake up with every morning that. So I think I yeah, I have a slight fear of that it played into the people pleasing. I have a fear of people, leaving meal or me off somewhere and I have a fear of not being understood all children have. But then it can be sort of exacerbated all diminish. Yeah. Onto within because after that I got a scholar show to boarding school. I ended up in boarding school and really a boarding school. It was all girls boarding school, and it sink or swim there hooting to your popularity. So I went in very aware that it was a tricky environment to survive in and the best way to survive with to make as many friends as possible with the popular people. Now that. Again, for a people pleaser someone who's just sent to Russia for a month is not a great combination and I'm very grateful for it. I regret any of it, because it definitely fed into what made me if I may say, so you having to say, oh, but it was fun. I knew exactly this. Honestly, the Thon to Jews of Novi grad over grad. I really love exchange it for anything. I would never do again, but I was saying Grateful Dead, if you have a thirteen year old child, you would not send them to Nova grad now I wouldn't I'm sort of rather forgotten, all of my Russian because it's really hard, unless you're practicing it all the time as our language to I feel like we could go on for hours and hours and hours. But we can't I want to end by asking you sort of traditional question, which is sort of give us a reason to be cheerful about failure about the book about the experience, I would say my final thought is that I find it very comforting to believe that the universe is unfolding. Exactly. As intended. And therefore when something knocks you sideways and it hasn't gone, according to plan, I promise you. It's happened for bigger and better reason than you don't even know what it is yet, but it's also happen to everyone else. Yes. That's in a way. Also, I think the inside of your book and the podcast. You've got the most successful people Phoebe Waller bridge old Alister Campbell all these people who lots of people would perceive to be highly successful who've all got their own failures. Absolutely is a great leveler, and I'm totally nailed. Exactly what the podcast is because I think that that's something so democratizing about that about feeling not only that you are not alone. But that these people he might admire from afar. Have really struggled. I mean honest to Campbell spoke, so moving me about living with depression. I've had people on the postcards to have lived through homelessness, who have jostled with death grief suicide and to ultimately have come out of that, and have made quote unquote, a success of their lives in the way that feels meaningful to them day. The book is how to fail. I recommend it. The podcast is how to fail with Elizabeth day. I recommend that to thank you so much for joining. Thank you so much at. And that was first episode of our new podcast. Cheerful book club. We'd love to hear from you. What did you think have you got stuff to say about what you've heard also, if you have a suggestion for somebody you would like to hear us talk to you can Email as book club at cheerful, podcasts dot com. Find us on Twitter at Jeff podcast of funders on Facebook. And if you want to tweet about us, or do an Instagram post about is make sure you use the hashtag. Cheerful book club.

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Episode 346: Casey Cep

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Episode 346: Casey Cep

"Welcome to the long-form podcast. Maron lamour. I'm here with Evan, Ratliff, max linski. Hey guys, the original cast show Aaron who did you talk to this week, the person I talked to this week in the show, I've seen her the galley for her buck on the New York City, subways more than any other galley this season. So publishing forecasters at their I smell ahead. Galley sputter, Gary. Check follow my Twitter. Feed the galley spot. It's Casey sap her book, is called furious hours. It is dual narrative about a book that Harper Lee, tried to write may have written did not publish about a true crime incident in Alabama, involving a Reverend whose family members died mysteriously after he took out large insurance policies on them. It's a really interesting book. I really like books in the structure. I'm kind of a sucker for the double narrative, and this one is done in a different way than I've ever heard it. And also the hook is just incredible. It's incredible. I'm a sucker for Casey. Seth I'm glad she's on the show into this one. If you've got a great hook some dual narrative ideas, they all can fit in a newsletter. Oh, yeah. From from Mel champ. They make it so easy to start an Email newsletter that. Whatever your project. Is there a great fit? Thanks to Malcolm. And now here's Aaron with Casey sup. Welcome Casey Sep. Thanks so much for having me. It's nice to be here. I feel like I've been immersed in the world of your book for like the last six hours and like I can feel this like southern swampy, St. meanace like pouring off. The also wrote a bike here. So I'm probably just sweating. But we'll hopefully some of the Manhattan portions of Harper loves life, just familiar and maybe surprising, I have to admit, I don't know how I didn't internalize the information that she had spent a lot of her life in Manhattan. Maybe it's like just like there's something about, like the authors that I knew about when I was in, like elementary school where they need to be very like one dimensional and my mind CS Lewis is another one. I have a very clear picture of him. He never left the library at Cambridge. She's just trapped there. Forever and Harper Lee is in a small town in Alabama never got out. But that's a good place to start like where does your interest in Harper Lee start? Childhood and in it sounds like maybe the same for you. So I, I love to kill a Mockingbird as a kid, and I don't much look like today. But as a kid, I looked a lot like Mary, Badham the woman who played scout in the film out app Teixeria than I love the novel when I read it, and that was total tomboy nerd, and my father wasn't a lawyer. But I was a daddy's girl in the kind of familial dynamics of that, novel were really appealing to me. And you know it sat with me the way that books do when you're a kid, I just loved it and return to it. And I had always wanted to see monroeville the town were Harper Lee was born and raised. And I knew it was the model for Macomb the town in the novel and I'd never made it. I'd done a couple southern road trips and always wanted to go to that part of Alabama. But hadn't been. So when go set a watchman was announced I went down there to look into that manuscript. And there were a lot of questions about the provenance of the manuscript and whether or not Harper Lee wanted it published. And so I am. When off, you know, there's kind of a scrum of reporters who went down there, but I went, you know, assuming even if I didn't find a story that it would just be nice to get to see the town that was the model for Macomb. It's kind of a theme actually in the book like flocks of reporters, a small town. Is like a right of passage. If you were southern reporter, you had to go and try and get Harper Lee to talk like she became a kind of boo Radley figure for the press, you know, try and get her to come out of the house and tell you her dark, his secrets. What's the modern scrum likely? I have like an idea, sorta in the movie like the nineteen seventies journalism, scrum. But like, you know, in the age of mass communications or whatever, like why do so many people feel the need to physically go? And then I was like, what happens to a story like that, where you're trying to get it? While nine other people are like pacing outside. It's an interesting question, although in the case of Harper Lee. I mean, what happens is you go, and I felt like I knew from small towns, I grew up in one, and I'm kind of a creature them, but you go. And you really just realize what an extraordinary thing it is that she and Tremaine Capote both spent so much time in this tiny town as children. So she was born and raised there. But he had some family who live right next door to the lease. And he spent quite a few years of his childhood, and then returned for many summers as a young adult there, and you go and it's just remarkable that this place produced two writers as extrordinary and as extraordinarily different as those two. And so I think it's important, you know, even in a kind of digital era where you could Email or call anybody there to go, and, you know, walk around the courthouse and walk around the courthouse square and walk down south Alabama avenue. And, you know, one of the real joys of writing a book as opposed to article. Or a feature is I really just got to go and stay a lot. And I, you know, got to see what monroeville was like in February and March, and April and in June. You know, what's it like to spend Christmas in Alabama, and those that kind of passage of time in a particular place, and I think the book hopefully reflects the kind of deep knowledge that comes from sitting through the seasons and you know, that's not to say that you can't report from afar. And obviously a lot of good journalism comes from archival work, and you don't necessarily need to be in the place to do that. You can send a proxy. And, you know, a lot of my book was built from autopsies in court records that, you know, some of which got mailed him in Maryland. And I just gleefully opened the postbox one day, not all of them, you know, some of them really did come from, you know, going through courthouse records myself and tracking down people who had maintained copies. But yeah, I really when I can like to go and sit in a place and take my. Time with a story. And I just felt so lucky with the book to really get to do that kind of Omni, directionally, what of that experience like actually mix its way into the buck, because the book is set for people who have not read the book, go, read the book posit comeback. Eleven hours for the audio book day, Maxwell, doesn't make it, thanks. You wanna throw a few more out for purposes conversation, but the book takes place, the murders are in the early seventies and those trials and the story of Harper Lee, of course like predates that and then extends almost to the present day knowing that you have this book, that's taking place both in multiple places and time. And there's two small southern towns, the town that Harper Lee is from and the town where this trial, and these murders took place what twenty eighteen or I'm guessing this book took most bull years, twenty sixteen twenty seventeen experiences fuelled like what actually came about about this historical story, yet, it's a great question. And I should say an this crime story took place in the. Seventies. But I try the patience of the reader by starting in the nineteen twenties, when the Reverend Maxwell, the first main character was born I think there's a little stuff about the life insurance industry that goes. The Roman empire really there's, there's a lot of kind of archaeological excavation of time in history. But as a side note, I would read entire book that was a history of the life insurance industry. It's nothing. Power couple pages and there. But what Razi it's really, you know, a great financial market to be exploited. But yeah, you know, I have these long historical riffs, and I think they're important, you know, with life insurance. You have to understand how it worked in order to understand, how someone could succeed in perpetuating so much fraud. And when it comes to hydro electric power in the south, you know, you need to know a little bit about the geology of the region than the natural landscape in order to understand what happened and obviously, anytime you're looking at a crime, like this, where the racial dynamics are so pronounced, you, you need to be thinking about the Jim crow south, and about the history of slavery in the region than so I really feel like you've always got to be, you know, looking over your shoulder with a story like this. And I think, you know, some writers would have kind of put themselves in the book, and it would have been the kind of gumshoe Nancy drew, like follow Casey Sep, as she goes to the Rockford house and digs around and hundreds of you. That's your. Vote of I think in the New York Times review where you're standing in front of some like boards that are kind of conspiracy. That's a great press Votto for the, like Nancy, drew version. And that's not the version. I wanted to right. So, you know, even though all of this reporting took place over the last couple years. I try as best I can really keep readers in the chronological movements of the book. So when we're in nineteen twenties, Alabama. That's where we are. And an I'm not forecast in. And when were sitting with Harper Lee, in the nineteen fifties, when she first moved to New York were sitting with her, and that's where we are. And in the seventies when we're learning about these criminal and civil trials that make up the true crime story or even the sixties with the kind of political history of Alabama. I really wanted it to feel contemporary and Griffin and not to feel like the past. So in that sense, I had to kind of forfeit, the perspective of my experience reporting it, and I show up on kind of one page of the book, the very last page in the epilogue as I felt the need to explain one kind of source question or material history question, but otherwise the writer were following around and the writer whose. Process and perspective. We really inhabitants Harper Lee's, and that felt delivered to me because, you know, she is far more interesting than I am. I thought it would be confusing. The Tryon kind of ping between her perspective and mine. And the book also, I hope for readers has this kind of elegant chronology where we really do, just sit with the Reverend from nineteen twenty five until nineteen seventy seven when he was gunned down at the funeral of his last victim. And then we sit I'm and kind of too concentrated years with the attorney who had represented him and then represented the vigilante who murdered him. And then immediately the baton hand off his Harper Lee, who's come to this town to write a book about it all. And as you say, we then follow her forward until her death in two thousand sixteen. So to me, the kind of through line isn't Casey set, but really the kind of inevitable sweep of history and in a place that structure just described, which is I the story than the story when I heard the premise for this book, my extremely naive. Sumptuous in because I've read a few narratives, where there's too narratives. And buck is I think the devil on the White City is the most. Yes. Where it's about the Chicago world's fair and a series of serial killings. And he's cutting back and forth between the two of them, which is its own kind of excitement and gives you a lot of narrative chances to sort of, like show echoes and their France. And you deprive yourself a lot of those tools in so far as Harper Lee, I don't think even appears until like the one hundred. God bless you for Harper Lee. She emerges and disappears as she was want to do. Yes, she doesn't show up for quite a while. But tell me about the history of how you put this together. Bring this to an editor like what other people think it should be live. And then you brought up Eric Larson's book. And I often think of law city of Z the David grand and to master stylus and, you know, I admire them greatly, but they're better writers than I am. And they can kind of juggle or braid or whatever metaphor, you wanna reach for, and spent quite how my mind works, and it's also the case that, you know, my book is structured around stories, but also characters, and also kinda three disparate ways of making sense of the world to the Reverend is kind of hyper religious perspective, and his lawyer had a tremendous political careers were looking at kind of political forces. And then when we get to Harper Lee, it's this deliberately literary. Look at the world and how story telling. Kind of shapes our perspective. And those felt you know look these characters intersect with one another. Of course. That's why they're in the book together, they do meet at a certain moment, but it's very brief. And I felt like if I tried to breed their stories, it would erase some of the differences and it would really just diminish some of the friction between their lives. And, you know, these are three people born in three different small towns in Alabama, wad, Lii, and kellington, and monroeville, and yet their lives could not be more different. And, you know, you look at someone like the Reverend who served in the military served in the army, but despite his distinguished service record. He you know, he won a couple of medals, but he never rose beyond kind of an engineering assistant, and then you look at someone like his lawyer, who was immediately put into the Jag corps and had a tremendous, you know careers. A lawyer that was partly facilitated by army training and experienced trial lawyer in then then you take Harper Lee. She's a woman of means she studied abroad at Oxford, she was able to move to New York to pursue. Life. And if you try and make those live Seymour, similar than they are you really deprived folks of the chance to think about the kind of larger forces that were operating on their lives in the Therion degree of opportunity. They had. So I wanted them to be distinct that chronology was also kind of obvious to me. So the truth is, I wrote the book, exactly, as I pitched it, and I said, this is going to be a tripartite book, and there's going to be a section about the Reverend, there's going to be a section about the lawyer, and there's going to be a section about the writer and I think there was a little bit of skepticism from some of the folks I talked to about it early on just because, you know, that they might need to be more integrated, but, you know, these are three incredibly dynamic characters and the truth is like they stand alone. And if you had tried to breed, them, you would've lost am some of the internal suspense of each section. So the first part of the book is the kind of most true crime e part and you're really trying to figure out who all is. Going to turn up dead. And how much money the reverend's gonna make an is you're gonna get caught. And then it takes a turn for the kind of political history and courtroom drama and that has its own suspense, and with Harper Lee, you know, I think that what other things was most surprising to me is how much suspense, there can be around writer's block, and will she fight way. I would have thought it was gonna be like pay drying. But I'm actually by letting her shack, standalone, and by leading readers know so much about the story she was trying to write. We actually kind of in her head and able to make judgments about what she was doing or what she might have done or how we would structure the book. And so, I hope that it satisfying if you're someone who loves true crime, I hope it doesn't feel like, oh my wonderful true crime. Book turned out to be a literary biography. I hope instead, you think, oh, this is so interesting. I now have more information tools for a sassy in the decisions that other true crime, writers are making. Is there a history? I was trying to think of comparable versions of people who've written works that are about other works that never came out were lost. Destroy time, great book about lost books. I, I don't know that the Reverend which is what Harper Lee was gonna call this drew crime book falls into that category. Although, of course, it's lost in the sense that we can't read it. But some people would say, that's because she didn't finish it. You know, one of the real mysteries of my book, and I'm not being coy try and give you as much information as I could gather from reliable sources, but there are some people who think that this was tremendously, dark period of her life, and she was struggling with drinking and depression, and the same writer's block that had haunted her career for most of the sixties and most of the seventies. So she wasn't able to write more than a few pages. But, you know, that's one poll of opinion and information and the other is she wrote the whole thing in chose not to publish it the publisher thought it was the racial politics, two scandalous, or she was worried about being sued by someone in the Booker. She was worried about the reverend's living accomplice of there's like real polls of speculations. Lost book might not be the. The right category for the Reverend but. The bigger question is, how on earth do we have patience for someone not finishing something? And that's kind of interesting emotional posture for me, and I thought a lot about it. And you might think that writer's block is the only kind of example that in the book, but it seems to me like one thing, these sections all have in common. Is that is the experience of a lot of investigators around crime? So that's unfinished unsolved that as a whole category of exploration around crime. And even when you figure out who did something, you may never know why and the other kind of heartbreaking unfinished or in the book to me is liberalism in the south. You know, I was sold this book before the twenty sixteen election, but I spent a lot of time down in Alabama. I'm after President Trump was elected in the Naga rated and started serving than them, you know, I was down there during the election of Doug Jones and very interesting, you know, because of Tom Rodney story because of this lawyer, who is a Kennedy liberal in the Wallace years. Interviewing people who knew him and getting to know his family. I actually got to know a lot of liberal people in Alabama who are still trying to fulfil the legacy of civil rights in quality injustice. And, you know, that's when I realized it's not just the writer's block portion. There is a lot of unfinished work in the world. I remember your reporting for the New Yorker around the launch of go SATA watchmen, and I may be getting one or two. Details on here, but I remember that there's some sort of a museum in town. And the Lee family at some point has asked them to like, stop selling a tequila Mockingbird themed cookbook and Pernias cookbook named for the African American made of the Finch family. Yeah. Totally and the overall thrust that story I would say is that the lawyer who is currently representing Harper Lee was growing increasingly litigious and financially ambitious with the estate this. This is your first buck did that give you any pause and not just that. But also like that there was also sorts of like prior conflicts, both legal and yeah. On interpersonal yet. I mean, I think that's a great question. Not often facing folks writing literary biographies, but certainly facing folks digging into true crime stories. And I think the TIs MRs one kind of danger, but the real truth is, it's just such an emotionally tricky genre and each section. This book was tricky for different reasons, and I could promise, nothing except accuracy, and fidelity to the truth to all of the families involved on all of the parties involved on not that, that ever has spared, anyone a lawsuit. It has not naive, but intentions, my intentions were good, but no, that's kind of sober response to which is just as. Say that, you know, it's hard when you're writing about real people, and everyone has an idea of himself or herself in the world. And, you know, the reporter is in the position of, you know, taking photographs when everyone wants a self portrait, and people trust you with their stories, and they have an idea about what you'll ride. And so, I feel that responsibility no matter what I'm doing. But in the case of true crime, you're often meeting people at a dark point in their life story, or at a moment of deep pain, and unrest, and violence and that can be on both sides. You know, this book has vigilante, and that the Delancey was filmed, not guilty again, a spoiler alert by reason of insanity, but he does not identify as insane. So even for him to talk about his role in this story is different than the way lawyers or cops would talk about it, and all of that on top of the kind of tremendously emotionally fraught way that people love Harper Lee's, work and have an idea about who she was as writer and they don't wanna hear that, you know, she's struggled with anything. So, yeah, you're managing a lot of expectations and fears and potential litigation. I guess one example of that was this letter Hurley is writing sexually writing to, Gregory Peck in these are some of my favorite letters in the book, I found he had donated these letters to the Oscar library, and no one had gone and look them up. And one of them, she just says, you know, she started about the very neck speculations on her when she's working on her book and Harper Lee had already written to kill mocking birds. Who boy did she have expectations on her? And she says, you know, my publisher once core and autopsies my agent wants a bestseller, and I just wanna feel like I haven't defrauded the reader, and you think, yeah. That's where I sit to write like an item even right? Mockingbird before I started. But you're like yeah. Those are the I wanna meet all these expertise. I wanted to be a page Turner. I wanted to the abuse literary object. I wanted to sell I wanted to do all of these things, but I also just at the end of the day, when a few like I've honored this commitment between writer and reader and writer in source, and those are sometimes in conflict. But this other letter, she wrote agree peck. She just says, like I'm about to, you know, I'm, I'm worried. I'm going to be sued and lose my drawers over this book and. Yeah, you know, every so often you are the number of Latinos parties in this book, and everything you read, you know, everybody's always bringing lawsuits, and they're suing one another. And so, yeah, I mean I thought about it. That's all I can say thought about it. Yeah. Tell me what path as a writer lead, you to the point where you brought this book, when did you get an what was your first writing geic my first writing gig. I mean I loved literature as a kid, and I would say that love can actually started in the church, and I think I had an atypical experience for the cohort. I'm in now, which is to say the earliest book group, I was ever a part of was church and I grew up around farmers and nurses, and teachers and working class folks, and yet they gathered once a week to talk about a book. It was the same book every week was the Hebrew bible in the New Testament, but they. Gathered together and someone sat up an interpreted, and, you know, there was the collective process of reading and thinking, and sometimes writing about it, and that was very formative for me. And I you know, got to do some, you know early bible studying that was textual criticism as far as I'm concerned and it led me to be interested in metaphor and parable and my pastor growing up was actually, one of the most educated people. I knew you know, he read Greek he read German group Lutheran. And so I came to write in. I feel like partly through that kind of religious community. And then when I was in high school, I got to rate some for the local newspaper. And then when I was in college, I really had the chance to kinda put that appetite for literature to work. And I think before that I must have just thought all writers were dead like they were dickens, or, you know, all of that other generation of Wittman or something hadn't really occurred to me that, of course, there were living writers, and you might even get paid to do. And so I wrote for the college newspaper in the college literary magazine and actually very lucky there was a little fellowship to employ current undergraduates to write for the alumni magazine. And so that was, I guess close to long form and I'm more than that. I just had you know, they had these top notch copy editors and editors who would talk to you about your ideas, and it was equal of having to pitch and come up with something good, and talk through it, and get a read back in that kind of thing I feel like that's like a nice thing both for the students and for the people who get profiled by the college. Like I bought myself, like five years of my parents, not thinking, I was failure because like the Wesleyan alumni magazine mentioned long-form one. A family newsletter. Way to keep in touch actually died. One of the funniest things in the course of reporting the book that came out was one of Harper Lee, is I clip, so she wrote for the college newspaper and humor magazine actually, she's tremendously funny and witty individual. But when she went with Capote out to Kansas to do the reporting for in cold blood, when they came back, you know, he was busy, who's under contract with New Yorker to turn that into a series of articles and that's the book that became in cold blood, but she agreed to write this little profile for him, and it was for the alumni, magazine of the Federal Bureau of investigation, Scott, the grapevines as, like, you know, the Wesleyan student news, she's like, profiling agent Alvin Dewey, the lead k b I agent. I've looked at a few issues now. And yeah, I mean it's sort of like alumni notes, sort of, like, you know, autopsy compendium and, you know, a lot of weird retirement and vacation news. But yes, so everybody is collecting clips at some point in their career, even Harper Lee. But yeah, so I started there and then did other things after college. And then I was freelancing and I wrote I wrote for places like the Pacific standard. And you know, I did some book reviews for the Boston gloom, and the New York Times, and then I was mostly writing for the New Yorkers website. And this book grew out of some reporting I had done for them. And their idea for you to go to write about Harper Lear yours. So I had been in touch my editor there had just left and someone new had taken over page Turner. And I think we had talked about something. So this announcement in two thousand fifteen was shocking. You know, Harper Lee was publishing a new book for fifty years as women and said she was never gonna ride again. And. Here was this book. And it was really soon after her older sister, who had been kind of her caretaker, and manager had died. And so, I think there was talk of me doing, like an armchair piece, and then I said, will what if I wanted to do something reported because I wanted to see monroeville and I thought, you know, like look, there's all this rumor is all innuendo. And so I took a few days for the first piece, I wrote, maybe a week I'd turned around kind of, like twenty five hundred word piece. And that just sort of beat the bounds of the original story, which is where did this manuscript, come from who's making decisions about our Burley's life would have people in town think, and feel and have to say about all this, and then I wrote another article about the Maxwell case. And, you know, sometimes you write things for yourself in the last line of that Maxwell case story said, you know, about this family on the lawyer in the book, his family was trying to get back some of his materials in the last line in that piece said, you know, the new family is saying, when if Harper Lee didn't write this. Book someone else will, like why not me? I'm like Alabama and I'd never been there. But I thought it was really great. And, you know, I felt like the more and more. I dug around that case, there were just people alive who knew things about it, and more people had met her while she was in town than, you know, seem to have been known and Alabama's not great for sunshine laws, but there were some autopsies in court records are sunshine loss, you know, like foia like how, how easily can you get? What should be publicly available information? So, you know, I went looking for original civil and criminal records and autopsies and trans groups and things desert of gets bursar tickets that kind of thing and, you know, every one of those documents gives you, you know, a few more names and you go and see are they alive or is there? Great nephew alive as their next door neighbor who wants live near them alive. And there were just more and more people alive, who could talk about it, and who were willing to share information about her and so, yes, so the screw out of freelance reporting and. You know, I had been writing, but also a lot of Booker reviewing, and I think the thing that people don't talk about much with a book, but it was certainly true in my experience, and I think is true from the books, I most admire as a book is made from other books. A lot of these different sections of the book are built from incredible research and scholarship and reporting the other folks had done the trick is marrying you know, kind of your own reporting with, you know, what would take a lifetime to do which is like learn the geology of the Tele Pusa river or I obviously can't go back in time and interview sharecroppers from the nineteen twenties, or thirties, but I could go and read Theodore rose and garden on nature on I could go and read James AG on sharecroppers across the state, and those are some of the best bits of the book, and that's where, you know, it's research, not reporting that can give a book depth, and, and meaning was difficult, like after you've like opened up the floodgates of that research, and you're like got the entire history of life. Sure ans- like Alabama geology in your head to say like alad got like a couple sentences for you. Sorry, like how do you decide like what's germane to the story in your own head? Yeah, I mean, I think that to some extent, you're like always kind of boiling down to the essence of something. And, you know, you're tie trading very small amounts of what you've learned, and I think the real trick is to just realize, like you don't prove your research, or your knowledge or your reporting with kind of one to one correspondence. So it doesn't matter that you spent, you know, there are people in this book where, you know, I interviewed them fifteen or twenty times, and you may never even use their name in the book like the notes. And you don't prove it by quoting them, fifteen times, or by quoting, ten thousand of the words, they told you, you prove it, by the deep knowledge, that you only get from that level of interaction and same thing for something like the geology of the Tallapiedra. I think that at the end of the day, I read lake maybe five books on lake Martin. An and the Tallapiedra and the Alabama river and then one tremendous book on just the rivers of Alabama. And you know, it's a paragraph now I love that paragraph. And I think that it sets up the kind of emotional tone of the book about violence and disappearance, and how powerful people remake the world and wiz, they desire. But it's not like I shared every glorious fact I learned so I don't know that you can know before you read it all, you know, you just it takes time and there's no shortcut for it. So you can read and read and read and read and not know what you're looking for. And then suddenly learned that when lake Martin was flooded. You know, when the talpet was dammed, and the reservoir was flooded. Watermelon, farmers saw their watermelons float to the surface. And I didn't know the fact I would need to convey that kind of slow filling of the reservoir. But boy, when I read that I was like, that's it that is what shows people how a landscape that was. Lovingly tended and farmed was just changed slowly, but surely, what was it like reading this book in the midst of a true crime, boom certaines was that in your mind at all were you like living in Alabama with a flip phone? Who will appreciate so here we are long form of at some point when I was down there. I have a really good friend, who's just a total bird dog for all things like true crime. And I think she texted me, remember, she emailed me, and she said, oh, my gosh. Did you hear cereal is going to be doing their next season about a small town murder in Alabama and? As like, are you kidding me? I sat there and I thought. How have none of my sources mentioned that Sarah Koenig is calling, or like someone from NPR has gotten in touch, and turned out to be over in Bibb county? And, you know, I did have the lake band-aid moment of, like will ever be able to listen to this excellent podcast. They've been traumatized by the fear that it might have been my story. So, yeah, I mean it's certainly a great time to be thinking about this kind of narrative nonfiction. And I think that people are writing really smartly about race and gender in the genre. Now too. So I was really happy to be reading a lot of that and digesting it, but I also felt the need to kind of stay in my chronology of the book. So I was also reading a lot, like you know what was coming out in the seventies when Harper Lee was setting down to try and write her book? And you know, is an interesting time then to not just because the kind of TV space was expanding and like true crime TV in these like, you know, kind of midday specials were booming. Also, just kind. Of an interesting experimental moments Capote's book had come out in sixty five but come out in the New Yorker, then in sixty six then come out in book form. But right around the time Harper Lee, was working on the Reverend, you know, you had James Baldwin writing about the Atlanta child murders. Doing a very smart kind of socio, cultural critique, and Kate millet wrote a really weird book about the Sylvia likens case that was like partly, you know, inhabiting her perspective. And it was like this first person like experiential book, and, you know, all of that was going on. And here's like conservative crushingly Harper Lee saying, like no, I do not like the new journalism, I want straight journalism with old fashioned facts and interesting to kind of sit with her perspective. And think about what she was trying to do what she objected to and really look at the history of that John rea-. So, yeah, I mean, I think that, you know, it's an interesting time for kind of meta true crime narratives and for people to be thinking deliberately about the kinds of cases. That are chosen for these stories on the kinds of cases, that capture the public imagination than the kind of discrepancies between author and subject, and I have to think that she was mindful of all that. And it is in that sense. Very interesting, the case she chose it so different from the one Capote chose for in cold blood. While I was going to say, like the what you described about Harper Lee, and turn of, like, you know, stick to the facts, some of that has been called into question about in cold blood. Yeah. And the truth of the matter is a lot of great scholarship on this. But it is true that in the last few years since additional documents have been made available to the public and even to some extent, the letters of Truman Capote worries right? Into sources to kind of ask them to supply more details on, you know, he says kind of candidly, if they won't he can just invent them. And, you know, people in the book talked about it after the fact, and that's everyone from really dramatic scene at the end of in cold blood when agent dewey's visiting the graves of the clutter with a friend of the. Clutter girls and that has not seen Capote witness or that took place, as just a convenient and to the book. And so, you know, small things and big things, and I don't just mean trivial facts, like I mentioned some of these in the book, but, you know, the price that the clutter girls horse sold for, you know, their facts that, you know, any writer can get wrong, even when attempting to get them right in there, just misreported or you know, you just don't correct it in the page proofs or whatever but Harper Lee of jettisoned kind of deep emotional decisions he made and you know, things like that scene at the end, which were essentially fabrications for narrative, which serve the narrative purpose of the book, but we're not nonfiction. And she didn't air those grievances publicly, but she maintained friendships with some of the folks in Kansas, who had been sources. And she maintained a friendship with Capote's fact checker the New Yorker. So I draw and some of the letter she wrote those folks and reports of objections to in cold blood. And so she was really there for this report in, you know, she went with him in nineteen. And fifty nine when he first went to report the story. And I think some people know that, but she actually went back with him several times after that. And she conducted interviews on her own and she amassed over one hundred pages of reporting notes for him. And she was there for the trial of hickok and Smith and she was there when Capote interviewed them. And so she had a lot of first hand experience and a lot of personal perspective on the events and on the characters and was that common then to bring another personal your interviews. I don't know how common all the writers who, who read that are gonna be like, well, budgets, most in creating tell you, he paid her nine hundred dollars in nineteen Fifty-nine, which was almost as much as she made on the advanced for tequila Mockingbird. So he at least compensated or well, in, in terms of finances and covered expenses, too. But he was not as generous with the credit. I think some people might know when George Clinton was interviewing him for the New York Times about the book, the Cote, nonfiction, novel, which was a term Harper. Lee aboard, you know these completely. Diametrically opposed either it was nonfiction, or it was a novel. She did not believe there was such a thing as a nonfiction novel. But here's Capote going around saying, he invented this John run here it was, and it's like he forgot all about, you know, John Hershey, and these people, but quote, nonfiction novel, he told George Plymouth, and that kind of pre publicity interview that Harper Lee had been his assistant research, just of which do not believe was a common term at the time and certainly budgets, do not allow for today. We're wondering emotion from just research. I don't know that, that was the term he came up with, but I don't know how common it was, but he was certainly lucky to have done it. Because truly even some of the people who are alive today say they would never have talked to Capote. He was strange and Luthan Ogden did not seem kind and they were actually persuaded to talk by her. She was warm, and pathetic and down to earth, and they felt that she was trustworthy, and that she understood them, and that their stories would be taken seriously intended to entreated, well and. So he needed her. She was really an an asset for the book, but all of that is to say she had all of this information evidence from which to evaluate the decisions he made in his book, and she did not approve of a lot of the decisions he made, and she was present. I mean now this conversation has caught up to it, and we're asking questions about, you know, where the sourcing came from and how he could have known certain things and even the deep structural decisions about heroes and villains, and compassion, and sympathy. And it's not that, that because any less of a masterpiece, of course, it is still beautifully written in aesthetically just a triumph but you know ethically. I think it's caused for conversation, not celebration, and there's a lot to learn from the decisions he made, and I was very grateful. You know, I didn't have to seem like a schoolmarm in my book because I could just quote her. I could just have her be the heavy on some of these issues. And, you know, just, you know complain growls about how people just invented things and, you know, the. Reverend Harper Lee were subject to the same kind of gossip and rumor and innuendo. And you know, people who'd met Harper Lee for all of two minutes pretended to be your best friend. And so, I think she might have, you know, part of her upset with, you know, the way press and publicity and media, worked was she had been misquoted misrepresented and, you know, had her life represented in national newspapers and magazines like in which she felt were not accurate. And I think that's part of the reason she aside from a kind of genuine conservatism in her personality. I think that's one of the reasons she was so deliberate about this project, the Reverend and so insistent on her scrupulousness and her appetite for accuracy. You've, I mean, it forms a interesting foil for in cold blood, where you go in think, to your book thinking, okay? One of these is success, one of them to failure when the most successful true crime narrative of all time, and one of them barely even exists or doesn't exist. And part of. The journey for me as a reader was kind of a, hey, maybe it was kind of good. She didn't like it's, it's okay for people to do things on publicly, and, and that whole lives can kind of like be subsumed into these, like I guess they're almost like higher religious ideals. Like, that's the only kinds of people that I sort of identify with that kind of monastic you've written about done. I guess this kind of thing. Written about nuns. Yeah. It's interesting. So you're referencing this idea that Harper Lee had about to this kind of ancient notion of vocation. And she felt the writers had this higher, call in and that you had to devote your life to it. And that probably you had to be miserable. And you had to suffer for it in that if the work, we're going to be good at came through great suffering on the part of the artists, and it's not at all, what I believe, and I think it's a little silly, and they're, obviously a lot of functional happy writers, and you don't have to be you don't have to have an addiction, and you don't have to be rude to your family, and you could be a good parent and a good member of the community and still right. But she found herself sort of enamored with that idea, and it was self reinforcing, you know, that, that if she was going to rate, she had to be miserable. And she wasn't miserable. She couldn't right? And that is this awful pattern. She got into after tequila mocking bird. She went through these periods where she could barely write a page a day. And she liked to quote this line from, gene. Valor about how you should sit down to your typewriter and wait until your forehead bled. Which is just, you know, I thought it was put on or performance, and I just thought, oh, how could anyone be so miserable? And, you know, his writer's block even real thing. And it turns out, of course, it is, and are a lot of people like Harper Lee, and there are a lot of people who in the privacy of their, you know, office, or writer's room cubicle, just really suffer and struggle. And it's an authentically miserable vocation for them. And there's actually one of the hardest things for me to kind of figure out how to write about in the book because I wanted to take it seriously. And I wanted it to be realistic, but it's not my experience as a writer. So I found it a little hard to do and I admire the monastics, and I think that monasticism is a very interesting way of being in the world. And I just I'm not called to it, and I'm not called to it even you know, even as a writer. I just. You like any happy go lucky? Are you kidding me? I, I feel so blessed to get to do it. And, you know, I can't believe we get paid to do it. And I'm pretty joyful, and I I like the reporting and I I like the writing, and I can get a little fussy with revisions like, you know, second or third draft. I feel like I just wanna be done. I've learned everything I can, and I thrive on the kind of energy of reporting and mystery and information, and I, I don't like suspense, except for when I'm kind of solving puzzles and figuring things out. But yeah, I just sit down happily, I can, you know, write anywhere. I am on a train on a plane, a bus station, you know, in the backyard at the picnic table in the hammock, and, you know, Harper Lee, I think was in the category of long, silences and dark spaces and solitary thoughts. And you know I take that seriously. And I, I wanna do beautiful and interesting work. And obviously sometimes that does take removing yourself from social such. Relations. And, you know, if you're writing about the nineteen seventies as did in this book, sometimes stepping away from your contemporary, life to release sit and try and figure out what that time was like, what this other person was like, but no, I love my friends and family and feel very grounded in the kinda world around me in a way that the writing is not a place I go or kind of miserable space. What was that? I mean, I guess, like the male equivalent would be like a Hemingway, kind of figure, but like this idea of, like, self-destructed through art is just a bunch of people who had depression is generational. Melancholy but misdiagnosed or something. Yeah. Or like I guess it's receding from the world, I believe, or it's receding from the pop cultural narrative of writing, but at one as the dominant mold of being successful writer, and I just wonder whether it's a cultural phenomenon is it a biological phenomenon? Sir. Right. People have written very smart things on creativity and madness or creativity in addiction than I don't wanna make light of either of those because I think they're real legitimate struggles for a lot of people, but there's this other category, where you're right. It's a kind of appetite for suffering in the sense that authenticity comes from that. And I mean I should say I don't really believe in the withdrawal, but I'm also fascinated. You know, you're talking about a wrote about nuns and I'm interested in the life of someone like Thomas Merton, or Simon stylish, as in these people who withdraw from society for long periods and or Julian of Norwich. I think they have things to. Teach us. It's not my call in. I don't think I would be very happy in a monastic cell for decades on end or standing on a pillar and the desert. But I think they have things to teach us. And so I don't wanna be dismissive of the Harper Lee types. I think you know, it takes all kinds in the world and take some writers, who you know, love a good cocktail party and take some who love. Good, cubicle and everything in between. I don't mean to be prescriptive in suggests that some of those suffering writer's can also do good work. And they do I just hope that it's what they want. You know, if you are alone, I hope he wanna be alone and not that the loneliness feels, somehow, the price of getting to right. And, you know, I think that's the way that the book is theory heartbreaking in some parts of the Harper Lee sections, because I found her life to be quite sad, but I also think it's not all that. And, you know, she really did have this incredible life of the mind. And I don't know how much she would have self identified with misery. Melancholy even though she seems who've been melancholic and miserable. Because in fact, she was reading great works of literature. She was going to the met and the Frick and, you know, she was making her way around Manhattan. And I think would have said, you know, that is in some ways all we can hope for to be engaged to be challenged by beautiful works of art, and I think probably she would have been one of the first to say that, you know, what more is there in life? Where do you go from here? What's next for your what what's exciting to about your next project or gas? Will I really loved book land? And I, I liked get into right? You know, kind of promiscuous when it comes to John Rudd. So I, I like the idea that a book is big enough to accommodate a lot of different things. And you know, this one was true crime and political right in literary biography and little bit of natural history, too. And so, I liked that. And I would like to do it again and have my eye on another story that I think could. You could call it a shipwreck or he's call it a theft. So I think it's a little bit of true crime too and it's older. It's like sixteen centuries who will be fewer people to track down and talk to about it. But it'll keep me coming in going to the south and m. You could call it a shipbreakers theft by by had to go over that phrase. Several. It depends on which side of the story you're on of. So I would love to write another book. It's so funny for the last four years, basically working on this book since two thousand fifteen and everybody I interviewed would say, like Whoo. How are you going to write the book? If Harper Lee couldn't and instantly, the moment, it was published that turned into are you going to write another book, or you're going to be a one hit wonder? So I love how quickly expectations Morphing evolve. But no. I would love to write another book and I'm on deadline for actually blue deadline for Booker view, so, you know, if you're my editor and you're listening, you know, be patient. I am finishing it up. So, yeah. 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One of the things that that struck me as well. I was reading some research on this. Is that at one point. These guys like into test flight got up like six hundred feet in the air. And i was thinking i want to see what that looked like. Yeah because these are the first people some of the first people flying and they're suddenly six hundred feet up in the air in and this is in a glider this before it was powered flight so they were really at the at the mercy of the wind right then and all that it was one of the most terrifying things they've ever that's ever happened to them and i thought that would be really something to see. That's just of many amazing things that the wright brothers did they were. They were amazing human beings. Yeah i mean the story has thrills. It has Chill it has thrills and chills. It's obviously something that changed the course of humanity there. Are these like very movie. Like aha moments. That happened along the way. It's two guys that were not trained. Engineers they were self taught brilliant men who figure this out but they they didn't go to school to learn it so i don't know it's got all the right elements i think did find a twenty nine minutes short film from twenty twelve. That's featured tony hale. No yeah the great fuster bluetooth. Yeah Here's here's also the dude who rocks out to mr auto in that classic volkswagen ag from years back. That's right. i forgot about that but he plays one of them. I can't remember which one. I saw a little clip from and it looked like it was okay like had the decent production value but it sounds like a drunk history episode. I know it totally does but it was playing it straight or was it supposed to be tongue in cheek. No he seemed really drunk. Which was weird. Okay no no. It was totally straight. I mean it's hard to imagine him like the scene. That it showed was a very serious seen them acting and it was very hard to laugh a little bit. Because i think tony hails a brilliant comedic actor so it was kinda tough i was like oh man it seems funny to me still. Yeah follows to check it out but Yeah there needs to be a big movie. I wanna see this on the big screen. Yeah because so again. I mean you kinda hit on some stuff but it's it's really important to point out that the guys who were the first human beings to create To to have to undertake powered flight were the same ones. Who invented that flying machine allowed for powered flight and they were a couple of self taught amateur bike shop owners who decided that they wanted to be a part of figuring out how to get humans to fly which was super duper in the zeitgeist. At the time. It was like the thing. Especially if you an engineer that you're probably thinking about There's a a lot of Technological razzmatazz. Going on and things like you know the the the the telegraph which been around for a while but locomotion was a big one trains figuring out how to move humans beyond just full power bicycle power or how horsepower yeah That was that was a big deal in into to get people into the air flying through a lot of people working on that so in on one hand it was also kind of audacious that the wright brothers would be like you know. We'll we'll toss our hat into the ring and see if we can be the ones to figure this out just because they were self taught and they were outsiders as far as the scientific community was concerned. Yeah and dave Dave ruse helped us. Put this together and dave Is very keen to point out that like they were outsiders. They weren't trained engineers. But they were far more than guys that just tinker it in a bike shop They did do that. But they vary much They didn't stumble upon this thing. They very much were very data driven very rigorous in their experimentation and. It's no surprise that they were the first They they may be unlikely but not surprising if that makes sense so even at the time The idea was. It would probably probably be the french. Who are the ones that figured out human fight and even the wright brothers apparently thought this but it was still open enough that they decided that that they they they could give it a shot and they also saw a lot of parallels you know they're very famous as we said for owning a bike shop. That was what their their trade was in dayton ohio but they saw a lotta parallels between bicycling and flight like for example Bicycling requires a lot of balance. You have to figure the same thing out when you're flying You have to build a machine in the most lightweight lightweight way possible That can also convey a human being Aerodynamics factor into it so they had a bit of a head start. they weren't coming. It's not like there's nothing in the bicycling world that has anything to do with this. Especially if you're an engineer and thinking about things like aero-dynamics as far as bicycling bicycling is concerned you can translate that to to flight and that's what the right brotherston. Yeah i mean a plane is just a bike with wings right basically or at least early ones kind of work dad. Kite in a bank. My dad's always said that junior anyone ever asked you. What's the difference between a bike of plane. Is you tell them nothing. Pops ginseng and go all right. So the wright brothers of course wilbur and orville. They were born to parents milton susan. They were the third and fourth sons. there were seven kids to A pair of twins a pair of twins just two people. I kept wanting to make it four people a a pair of twins. One set of single set of twins died in so there were Five kids that grew into adulthood and We're gonna pepper in some facts about their sister catherine here and there throughout the episode. Because catherine i feel like does not get much credit. And she while she was not inventing the aircraft she was very very key to their operation and us management of these guys throughout their life and she was a schoolteacher and then later on a suffrage it in ohio. Yeah well there there. I believe their grandfather and probably their father was big on Abolition and Like the the whole family kind of had this Real defined moral compass that they adhered to rigidly They also were taught as a family to be. Were a little wary and suspicious of outsiders and that you found your strength in your trust in your Basis in the family and then actually kind of helps explain wilbur and orioles relationship. Neither one of them ever married. And they plan on spending lives together. that's what they were going to do. And that's what they did until Wilbur died prematurely at age. Forty five Up until that point they. They did spend their lives together. But what i'm saying they were they were going to grow old and die together and from the outside it seems really weird but when you start to read about them and who they were and how they connected. It's it's awfully sweet. Actually um that they had they had a great love in their life and it just happened to be there brother kinda weird sexual way. Not in any incestuous way the greeks has say that you know it does it does. But we're in twenty twenty man george yet but i think the greeks had four different kinds of love and one of them was like a love between two men berm Bromance sure but this is brother manse and there was no man's to it. it was just they. They were brothers that that fit together in a way that you rarely see siblings do and they happen to change the world from the connection between them. Yeah. their mom Had a college degree and she was great at fixing things because her father was a mechanic and so they got some of the tinkering from her. Their dad was a minister and also ran the church newspaper for when i could gather sure and like you said the brothers were tight. There was There were four years apart but Wilbur wrote this on paper. i don't know if it was a was a memoir urge he'd writing. I don't know i'm guessing journal. I think they kept journals right. Well he said this from the time we were little children. My brother orlin. I lived together. Play together worked together and in fact thought together. That's thought not fought Although they did apparently go at it In spirited debate kind of and they really love doing that it wasn't all dislike one in roses We usually owned all of our toys and common talked over our thoughts and aspirations so that nearly everything that was done in our lives has been the result of conversation suggestions and discussions between us those a great katherine hepburn not do gather number and if you want okay start over police. I think there's another quote. I'll do that one later. Okay so that kind of goes to show you like just how how connected these guys were just from a very very young age and there. They were four years apart siblings. That are four years apart. Usually don't keep in touch. After a certain age. Let alone spend their lives together. You know so It was pretty cool. They had like that kind of connection the fact that the if you put the two of them together they were greater than the sum of their parts basically apparently orville was Was once you got to know him. He was a lot of fun to be around. He was if you had to pick between the two As to who was maybe the more brilliant engineering mind. You probably go with orville. But that's not to say that wilbur was any kind of slouch And of the to wilbur. Was the more outgoing. A person or vo was very very shy. And we'll be experienced a pretty big dip in his outgoing nece. Hit a yearslong depression That derailed his college career. He is going to go to yale. Study to become a minister. Do who knows what else And he was playing hockey one day in took a stick to the face. And i think a couple of other things because he had a long standing digestion and heart problem after that but after his face healed something something changed him and he he went into a yearslong funk and rather than go to college. He directed his energy toward a nursing his mom. Who was dying of tuberculosis around that time and Spend a few years rather rather than going to yale staying home and just kind of being Pretty down in the dumps about things in free. Luckily he had orval around or was also indefatigable optimist. Who helped The brothers through some really dark times and this is one of them. Yeah wilburton didn't graduate high school because of that which is remarkable And also didn't know they had street hockey the way back then right. So that's something i learned to but Yeah at orval was Like even from when he was a kid he would go door to door collecting bones and selling them as As fertilizer to the local fertilizer place he built printing press and when he graduated high school he launched a newspaper the west side news. And that's when he got wilbur. Sort of out of his depression. He's like come on brother. You get on over here. You can be the editor. I'll be the publisher It was the same year. Their mother finally did pass away in eighteen. Eighty nine of tb and it seems like that really did kinda save his brother and put them on a on. A number renewed shared path together. I think yeah so The shortly after them not quite sure what year it was but the bicycle was a big deal I guess i was eighteen ninety two. I'm sorry the bicycle craze Was in full swing and they decided that they would Pool there're there Common talents together in open a bike shop in dayton And that's what they did. They had a bike shop for a while for many many years even after they were Steadily experimenting with human flight Catherine that bike shop by the way this was so you know she was the only one in the entire family to Aside from her parents to graduate from college to only right child couldn't get couldn't get a lot. I tried to find out you know. It's kind of one of those things. Where when they're five kids that live into adulthood. Two of them are the wright brothers. What are the other ones do. And there was a lot of good stuff on catherine and how she assisted them through the years. But i can really find out anything else about the other. The other ones the other two were older brothers in both of them weirdly became book. Keep bookkeepers The first time but first one became estranged from the family moved to kansas city. The other one moved to kansas city got homesick and came back to ohio and then became a bookkeeper that was led no. They lead rather unremarkable. Solid live they didn't invent the airplane but there's no they didn't but catherine You know the fact that she was the only Right child's graduate from a full four year college with a degree She also did that while she was taking care of the family after her mother died like the whole family said well. You're the only woman here so you got glue family. And then she also Came back from college. Think she oberlin. And became a teacher while she was also taking care of the family too so she does deserve a lot more credit and kudos than she gets for sure Yes the see in the k. So let's take a break. Yeah yeah and let's talk a little bit about what's going on there at that bike shop right after this. Hey friends thursday january seventh. Abc's got game with premieres of three new gameshows first up. America's game is taking prime time. I been for the first time ever. It's going to be a star studded event with pat and vanna hosting celebrity wheel of fortune chuck. Whoa yeah well. 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What's going on in france. And i think that we can do this. Brother like who cares that. We're not college educated. Who cares that. I didn't even finish high school. And who cares that. We're just bike shop owners in dayton. I think we can. We can invent powered airplane. They even call him airplanes at the time of powered flyer and so he wrote to the smithsonian institution in dc and said should read this katherine hepburn said. I believe that simple flight is at least as possible demand. I am an enthusiast. But not a crank. I wished avail myself of all that is already known and then if possible add my bit you owe poop agree truman capote it. Was anything else probably never happen again. I think there's one more quote that should be. Sammy davis junior. Do the third quotas. Truman capote then just keep like that. All right so The long and short of it is the secretary of the smithsonian. A man named samuel langley. Got this letter. He was a man who is receiving a lot of government grants to work on powered flight. Yeah it was huge at. Everybody was working on it. At the everyone was failing at it. He had something called the era dome. Which by the time. The wright brothers got cranking up head already failed yeah Luckily he wasn't a one of those egotistical guys who controls the purse strings. He said all right. Well you know if you need some information. Yeah here's a bunch of information and he sent him every the had yeah He sent him like a basically a reading list and a bunch of Journals that they should subscribe to and start investigating And really kind of help them get along their way This is also a time. When some early flyers were were approaching this scientifically in publishing their data not the least of which was a guy named lilienthal and i we must have talked about him in the wind tunnel episode to because he definitely was a an inspiration who actually died during one of his test flights and on his tombstone. It says sacrifices must be made which has reported. last words with controversial really actually didn't say that but That's what is on his tombstone but he left a bunch of table so they started studying like auto lil. All's like flight test data they were subscribing to journals. Reading books just They were reading everything they could about the mechanics of flight and birds and just trying to figure this out and they basically through this Approach through just basically absorbing the The data and the the theories that were already out there. They figured out okay. We seem to understand How to get this stuff in the air and keep it up in the we've got like lift and drag figured out We have power sources generally figured out what seems to be. The big challenge is controlling the plane when it's in the air. Yeah cause that's what got out of all this thing where you actually were. You start to turn. And then all of a sudden the the flying craft turns back the original direction and it causes it to stall so you no longer have any lift and you just fall out of the air like a sack of potatoes That had to do with controlling the plane so the wright brothers identified very quickly in early on. That was a a good thing to to concentrate on. And that's where they started with was figuring out how to control the plane in the air. Yeah because as we'll see later on when we get to france they They could fly straight. They can in a circle but they couldn't control straight in circle at the same time and fly Where they wanted to fly which is a big key in an airplane is he won't actually go someplace. Not just whatever straight ahead of you. So they said Well here's the big challenge was the fact that we've talked about this on a few different episodes of the year about about plane flight But there's three things you gotta do when you're up there is you got to control your pitch. Which is your nose up in your nose down your role which is your wingtips Going up or down and turning you and then what and then you got that. Y'all y'all control simpson's ever look at that yaw control that his nose right knows left and it's those three things. Those three different axes controlling them all at the same time stumped. Everybody yes Because the the flying contraptions that were being built. We're basically gliders they're basically hang gliders. Yeah that people were. Billy which was a big first step that we needed to figure out because the hang glider you can figure out the the the shape the size the curvature the angle of the wing And when the bell brothers came into this field when they decided to cast their lot in to figure out how to fly Basically people figure had thought they had already figured out the wing One thing about seeing like controlling the wing moving from one side to the other without stalling out Like i said they. They kind of studied the mechanics of birds in one of them noticed. I guess it was wilbur Noticed that when a bird banks the actual shape of its wing changes so that when the wing twists A certain way it causes air to go above it to build up above it or below it which means that you're going to turn one way or the other depending on which way you're wing is curved and he said hey if we could figure out how to make our wings to that that might really work but how. How about how chuck. Yeah so. here's the sort of movie one of the and hopefully happened like this is a great story. If it wasn't but he was in his bike shop he sold a dude in inner tube and was holding the empty box when the guy left in he said by zeus beard. This looks like two parallel wings of a biplane. And when i twist this thing just right the right wing tips curve down in the left wingtip curves up On this box and he was like i. I think i've just stumbled upon the way to do this. Except we're gonna do it initially with what was basically sort of like a glorified box kite. We're going to do it with wires running through the wings that you can twist and workday sings from the ground. Which was a big big deal. They they were doing this in dayton people would walk by and they're like man. That is one crazy. Kite of never seen a do this kind of stuff. I think you should do that. And sammy davis. That is one crazy tight babe ruth. So yeah so they were in dayton still at this point line this box kite around and they were starting to get the hang of bending these wings to their will to make it do stuff. Yeah sammy man. It has changed. Not just the podcast but my life. Frankly for the better Boy so yeah. They started testing out. as kite. So it's pretty sensible because you know the goal to at least get a human in there and then to power the whole thing but you know you wanna make sure that the things not gonna crash our stall out or whatever so they would do There they would build these gliders and then basically control them like kites before the they they got in there very sensibly Which i think is a pretty smart move. Yeah they just started building them bigger basically like each one was a little bit bigger than the one before right and then once once they would see like. Okay yeah this principle actually works Then they would start to get into to the glider they would convert the the cl- the kite to a glider and then try themselves with them in there so they again the purpose was to get a person aloft supposed to be human flight But they they realized that to a human in the air you needed a really really big glider or you needed a really good strong headwind and they didn't have the money or the resources to build a really really big glider of the size that would've taken to just fly around dayton so they started looking for places that have Really high winds. And i mean if this is going to be turned into a really good movie. There's going to be like letter writing scenes. 'cause a lot of lead writing actually moves the story forward quite frequently. Oh one of those cases they wrote to the national weather service or the weather bureau and they said hey can. Do you have any wind data around the united states and they said by god sorry by zeus is beard we do we have reams of that stuff and they sent them the September and all guests. I believe whether data for the united states all the weather stations across the united states and they started pouring over the data looking for a reliable Strong winds and they. They found several. Yeah what they wanted. Though was They wanted to kind of work in private. So they said who has a lot of wind and not many people around and where they landed Quite literally was kitty hawk. North carolina and this is outer banks of north carolina. Which now is sort of a different place. i mean it's still It's not like daytona beach or anything back then. There was like not much of anything. There had really good wind who had sandy dunes. That if you did crash the sing it wouldn't be as bad as as crashing like in hartfield and like a frosty field in dayton ohio. And so they said this is the place. Let's go down to kitty hawk They did so in one thousand nine hundred with a seventeen foot wingspan glider. They had that same. You know same wire technology to been these wings like the box kite and they couldn't get it off the ground With a passenger so it couldn't be a glider and they said we still got to treat this thing as a kite basically. Yeah they they went back to the drawing board. They couldn't figure out what the problem was They they realized that there might have been something wrong with the wings so they started kind of pouring themselves into the wing. A little more They figured out that maybe the the curvature of the top of the wing need to be taller and closer to the front and they came up with a glider the nineteen o one glider which a twenty two foot wingspan and went back to kitty hawk. and this time they they did manage to get in the air They took this glider for a flight. But just like with auto lilienthal. It's stalled out with wilbur on it and it crashed to the ground. He cracked his head. Open on a Strut a wing strut. I believe and Could have died. He's very lucky didn't die but he didn't And they said okay. Well back to the drawing board we. We've got to figure this out. And they figured something out that. I think probably push them along. They what they were doing wasn't wrong. They were following data. That was wrong from the guy who died from auto little. They should have been their first clue. They figured right. They figured out that his data wasn't Particularly reliable or it was just plain old incorrect. And that there's also something called smeaton coefficient which was the value for air density that you would use when you're figuring out things like drag lift and they went back to the drawing board said we are going to have to conduct our own experience and create our own tables and this is when they built their very famous. Now thanks to our episode wind. Tunnels wind tunnel. That's right They like we said. There were wind tunnels around but They had one themselves. I think it's about sixty long. And they built two hundred little Model wing designs. Because you know we said it before but it bears in mind repeating that. They're working with These wings are stacked so. It's not just like it's not a wise ashwani. forget which talking about. It's not just a single wing coming out each side. It's like a biplane or a box kite so you've got you've got four different for different two different things. You're trying to figure out but you got four wings and they had to carve these things to You know that like what if the top wing is a little bit. Different in the bottom line is a little bit different. So it's a lot of experimentation. That went into this. Yeah they built two hundred model wings In that little wooden wind tunnel and the the real key though was that they had equipment that could vary accurately measure that lift and drag and they could really stack everything out head to head and see which one works the best. Yeah the combination. Yeah they built where to call balances which measure the movement of the say the wing or the the the movement of the air around the wing We talked a lot about that in the wind tunnel episode but i didn't realize that engineers basically consider that the balances that they created to be on par if not exceeding the impressiveness of the fact that they they achieve flight. These balances were nuts. So precise and they built him out of old bike. Spokes in hacksaw. Blades yeah but that that was one of the things they were well known for was they could take. They could save. Oh yeah hacksaw blade. What can i use this for. And they would just fit it into different scenarios in their mind and say oh i it is or i need to build this. What could i use for this. And they would come up with hacksaw blades and bike spokes and then more impressive than that. These things would actually work so thanks to their dedication to experimentation and in taking down data and then building these balances that gave them very very accurate data. They not only were able to build their own Tables to figure out which wing shape and form and size was going to produce the best lift and the best control They also were able to revise. Smeaton coefficient which had been in uses the eighteenth century From point zero five two point zero zero three three and if you do the math today using modern equipment it was almost exactly precise and they figured it out. Thanks to their heck saws and bike spokes. That's right and jimmy. Smeaton sat in his grave. Burp out a little dust bubble and then laid back down Pity so they have their own data now they go back to kitty. Hawk in one thousand nine zero two well armed feeling good they get their third glider going based on this data and it worked it could carry a person and they had this you know the sliding effect that caused wilbert a crash in that last night. So they edit a rudder stabilize things during turns and they made thousands of test flights with this glider Over the course of one thousand nine hundred and nineteen three a couple of times. They went over six hundred feet like you said earlier in altitude and glider and they said and i think is a great time for a break. They said tell you next. We got a power this thing with an engine or we're just gliding around like bird so we'll be back right after this to talk about the power source. Hey everybody if you're like us and you have a dog or a cat. 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That's be you are our own. W dot com slash s s. Que your seventy five dollars off your purchase. Borough dot com slash s y. k. Okay chuck So they have they have the shape the size the design of actual flying machine but unless they powered it's just gliding basically and they knew that gliding wasn't going to cut it. What's more it's worth pointing out chuck that they had already contributed to Aeronautics and our understanding of aerodynamics to an astounding degree that the data sets that they came up with from their wind tunnel was the the greatest most advanced set of data any scientists on planet earth had at the time again. These are self taught right brothers working in their bicycle shop. Who are doing this. But they said it's not enough. We're really close. We think we can figure this out. We are going to invent airplane. Basically and that's what they said about doing that. Yeah so And i still can't imagine being six hundred feet up the your pants feeling. That must've been. Yep i you know i see sam rockwell as either orville or wilbur. Maybe or voth. Yeah yeah it'd be like tom. hardy and legend. Yeah you just change them up. He wouldn't be twins but he could play both parts of be kind of cool. Sure you know we gotta pay one guy but playing twice. So they go back to dayton. They decided they were trying to figure out a power this thing and they said well we're gonna power this need to figure out the engine and the propeller and they thought the navy they're like the navy builds plenty of propellers for their boats and they were very surprised to learn that all those years that the navy never really worked on Thrust in the design of a propeller So they said thrust is the key here so we're going to go back here and we're gonna carve dozens and hundreds of little tiny propellers by hand from little tiny pieces of wood. I'll bet you love dench miniature. God i love it. And i mean i try to carve something. Every time i go camping in thirty five years of never carved anything that was worth keeping. What do you do. You have like a goto like fertility. Dia over i used to try and carve like tobacco pipes and then Just little people. And that was just never any wiggling and stuff but it's how would you get the whole the pipe. That was the problem so you got the pipe. It was just not functioning. Well i would have to then take it homeland like us a drill or something but it never made. It just ended up in the fire. I gotcha okay. But it'll pass through. You came from you. So they're carving these little propellers and they in day points out to that they've made in the first engineers ever to come to the realization that the same forces that generate lift an airplane and a curved wing which is bernales principal was the same force that worked with a propeller that are propeller was essentially. Just a wing that's Vertical in spends. Yeah they figured out that. There's a direct correlation between lift and thrust and it just has to do with whether the wing is horizontal vertical. And the idea that they were the first ones to figure. This out is just mind boggling to me but they seem to be in at the very least even if they weren't the first ones to figure it out they were the ones who figured out how to bill the propeller blade such that it did produce thrust so They figured out how to get this thing to be more the neglected her by propellers moving in pushing the the the plane through the air. Propelling it you could say but they had to figure out how to power the propellers and that a big big problem because at the time the thing that it held people back for a very long time was Steam technology was basically. All you had and you just were not go you. You're not getting off the ground with a steam engine So the the wright brothers apparently wrote a bunch of letters to a bunch of different engine making companies and said here are you know parameters are designed parameters can fulfil these and they couldn't not a single company came back and said we can do this although apparently a couple did. But we can do this for you. Know writings ransom. Yeah they're like we can't afford that so the wright brothers being the wright brothers to said we'll just do this. Yeah we'll go back to that bike shop. And they had a guy working. There named charley taylor who was a machinists and he was. You know it just sounds like another one of these guys. It was just really good at figuring stuff out in the movie. Charlie and catherine would be romantic interests of one another. It'd be super cute There's actually a sad story later. That involves that but will it make the story even better leave for the end okay. Let's say just they just had a brief fling in. Maybe she inspired him to tinker better. Okay does it work that way. Sure it can. Why not or. Maybe she gives them the brilliant idea during some. Like hot coitus a row boat right on the lake. But sure coitus. I guess you'd have coitus in the in the road on the lake. We should just abandon this third. So charlie builds a grade classes by the way. I know we take all that out. Okay so charlie builds a four cylinder engine of Aluminum and no one had ever used aluminum before an aircraft construction. So this was an yet another thing that the wright brothers in Charlie taylor came up with that would Ended up revolutionizing aviation it became the backbone of aviation prize using this lightweight aluminum super strong super light and they connected the saying to the propeller using bicycle chains. Yeah and if they if they weren't showing off before they were by then because the engine they created they figured out. They needed a minimum of eight horsepower. In the engine they created was twelve horse power so have more than enough to to power. The propellers which would produce thrust which would actually create powered flight and those bike chains We're pretty ingenious too because there were To sets of gears one on each side going toward Each propeller and those bike chains connect the propeller to the engine but they to keep the propellers from shooting the i guess it would be yaw out the yin yang From creating a gyroscope with the two propellers go in the same way they they decided to have the propellers going the opposite direction. One another to make that happen. They just turned one of the bike chains into a figure eight. How ingenious is that. Yeah going in opposite ways kind of like. I don't know like you see on airplanes these days exactly so the wright brothers figured that out too so no suddenly put all the stuff together. They put together some controls because remember controls. Were like one of the big That was one of the big challenges they figured. Out a whole set of controls that controlled the rudder that controlled these elevators in the front of the airplane that kept the nose from diving or lifting too much And then they had the The lever that that Warp the wing. One way or another to let you bank so they could control pitch roll and yaw on a engine powered aircraft with dual propellers and they were ready to go all right. So here's how this thing is actually flown. Which is pretty interesting because like you said before they were figuring out like the biggest trick was how to figure out how to control this thing so you could make it go where you want it to go and no one had really done this effectively so it sort of Operated like Like you said a hang glider and that the pilot is laying down on his stomach in the middle of the plane. You've got the engine on the right in right in front of the pilot was what was known as the elevator which are two little stacked wings that could be adjusted in the adjustment with a low wooden lever and the left hand of the pilot to control the pitch and that is knows upper down right And those apparently used to go in the back of the plane and Auto lilienthal Crashed with the elevators in the back of the wright brothers for the ones that moved into the front which helped quite a bit. That was a big one There is also the hip cradle. Yeah that side to side. Yeah it was like using your hips to to steer the plane basically And so the the the this little the cradle that you laid in Was connected to wires that hold on the wings that caused them to warp one way or another and then it also is connected to the rudder. So that that would stabilize Your as well. So you had two different mechanisms that controlled three those three different axes experience. It really is super genius now. All of a sudden you have a plane. That's that's under human control right like they couldn't figure out at this point a joystick control. All those things at once. So that hip cradles. I think pretty smart To take off like this is the one thing. I actually never knew always wondered. How did they like. Surely they didn't have that engine powerful enough to get them going and take off And that is correct. They actually had to get up in the air for those twelve horses to do their work and to do that. They slid the sing on a dolly A sixty foot rail basically by the hub of a bicycle wheel so they get it going on this dolly and then it launches in then. That's when the engine has enough Enough of the head start with the thrust to get going in the air. Yes so win. The thing kind of launched off of the the rail it was in glider mode a little bit short that helped the engine kick inner takeover. Get enough power. Yeah i mean. I imagine they had the engine going though. No no no. They totally did but like you're saying it wasn't enough to go from standstill. We needed that that that glide to get it started right so on december seventeenth at ten thirty five am. Actually there was an unsung test flight. That doesn't get a lot of praise. But on december fourteenth. They tried their first attempt in this this this powered flyer and the tossed a coin to see who go and wilbur one and it went Down the track and went off the track and crashed immediately in broke the elevators so they took three days to repair the elevators. In on the next try on december seventeenth that was orbital's turn and so he became the first human to fly in a powered flight orville oval right. Did you flew for twelve seconds Just a few feet. I believe i don't think it was about one hundred twenty feet but it was controlled. He landed it and it was a. It was a genuine powered flight and from that first flight. I think even from the one that That wilbur tried three days before they're like this is gonna work. Yeah can tell from the way. The controls responded and the this is going to work. We just got to keep trying so they did. Yeah so on that same day. They did three more flights. And the longest one wilbur. That they were taking turns so cool. Wilbur piloted eight hundred fifty two feet in about a minute in the air. Which is remarkable. Like this is the moment of the movie. You know where everyone is just going crazy. It's like the high point of the film and then they go in and just like a movie they go inside. They're having a cocktail. They're warming up and they're so happy in a big gust of wind comes in and lifts this thing off the ground and smashes it breaks it into pieces. Oh man can you imagine yes so yeah. I can't imagine seeing that you just be like. Oh look the things that are being lifted in the air like gladio. God like it's tied down and then same goes to sam rockwell. Yeah but that's the problem so They apparently were not particularly worried about this at this point because they'd already shown multiple times that this proof of concept was was w- work they had they had undertaken the first flight They done it basically. So they They went back to dayton. They had a habit of leaving their Their their test flyers at kitty hawk. Because they beat him up so badly it wasn't worth you know moving them back And some of them are preserved. And i believe that i flyer that they created is in One of the air and space museum's maybe maybe in dayton. I'm not sure that somewhere. It might be The one out by dulles maybe or maybe. i've just seen a replica. I feel like. I've seen one in an airport and not a museum. So that was definitely a replica. Gotcha and it was actually only six inches. Why was flying around was rc control. Yeah come to think of it. I've got this all wrong. So the wright brothers they released a press release like they were acutely aware of you know what they just done. This wasn't something they had fallen backwards into. This wasn't something that you know. just happen. Through sheer luck like they worked their way to powered flight so they let the world know about it and they got zero response in return basically. Yeah this was pretty disappointing. I think they You know they sent out this press release said and got nothing and i think they were like Hey everyone we flew a plane like this thing that everyone's trying to do all over the world we did it high and it seems to be just a case of like dave says the boy who cried wolf like these newspaper editors had been burned by writing about other people. Said they'd done it and they're like yeah right and it took. This is one of the greatest parts of the story. I think in september one thousand nine hundred four journalists that was writing a beekeeping journal called culture. Mr is a route was the first person to actually say yeah. I'll write about this thing. That sounds like a good story glean filter. who who would play him who John c reilly. I think oh yeah could call man okay. So so john. C reilly shows up. Hebrew had read about the rights in isa can i. Can i see one of your flights. And they invited him out and he wrote about it and it didn't get much attention at the time because i don't think gleaning some be culture had a really huge readership story though. I think you should read this quote. Whatever whatever accent you want to read. And no i'm just gonna read it regular okay God and his great mercy is permitted me to be at least somewhat instrumental and uttering in introducing to the great wide world an invention that may outrank the electric cars. Automobiles and all other methods of travel. And one which may fairly take a place beside the telephone and wireless telegraphy am. I claiming a good deal. Well i will tell you my story and you shall be the judge so those pretty good. I mean if for no accent whatsoever. I thought your time actual article so Yeah they they still didn't get any kind of attention from that but it is a pretty great little footnote to the whole thing that that was the first article that was written on them. Yeah cleanings and be culture. They even wrote the war department and said hey we invented an airplane Do you want to buy it. And they said nah. Yeah one of the reasons why was because the war department was like well. Can you send us a specifications. The right partner like no. Yeah we invented this. You give us a contract first. And then we'll give you the specifications and the war department said now even worse than the fact that they weren't getting any kind of credit further accomplishment in no takers on Selling their their design was that over in france. Remember we said that. Even the wright brothers thought that the french would be the first to powered flight. the french were convinced that they would be the first of the power fighting that they had cracked it. There were There's a brazilian balloonist theme burto santos dumont. I think they made a movie about him recently. A super colorful character right. I don't know i believe they did. He gave a demonstration and the right. Yeah i feel like they just call the dumont with exclamation point. Maybe but he. He flew a plane in paris. I believe of his own design And it just flew in a straight line no control but it was enough of the time because again no one was paying attention to the wright brothers. It was enough for the french to be like soccer blue. You know this is. This flight has been achieved in the the wright brothers like no. This doesn't know what we're doing is so much better than this nineteen eight. There was a guy. A frenchman named farman who is the first to fly a powered plane and a one kilometer close circle. This is nineteen. Oh wait it bears mentioning that. The wright brothers who again. They're total outsiders. No one's listening to them. Three years previous to this they had stopped the experimental stage. They had reached the point where they had produced a reliable plane and by nineteen o five three years before this french pilot did that one kilometer close circle flight. That just knocked the socks off of the french They had done a twenty four and a half mile circle in thirty nine minutes. The wright brothers had three years before this and so imagine accomplishing this and then seeing people doing like like preschooler stuff compared to what you're doing getting all this praise inattention impress lavished on them. And no one's listening to you. This is the situation that the wright brothers found themselves in at the time. Okay so wilbur has had enough. He goes to france in one thousand nine hundred on august eighth in you know what. I'm gonna go demonstrate this thing. I'm going to show them that. Flying straight is stupid. And i'm going to show them that we can actually make this thing. Turn and do whatever we want. and so. He went to a little small racetrack outside of lemons and Got on the ground and said gentlemen i to fly and they all spoke french. And they're like oh wait. He said he said something. Think he's about to do something big so he he flew and if the french were like sucked babu at that one flight they were really knocked out at this one They all realize that what was going on in front of their eyeballs with something that the french had never accomplished that no one had ever accomplished before. And they were basically done and There was a frenchman supposedly. That was there That was quoted in the newspapers by saying nusamba to We are beaten. Yeah so i mean. Imagine being like french at the time and seeing like you know somebody in a hang hang glider with a bicycle gear on it and being like people are flying people are flying and then somebody shows up in like a piper cub is like watch. Yes that was kind of the level of knock your socks off that that the french saw And that was it like from that point on. The wright brothers were overnight since sensation. They were the first superstars of the twentieth century for being the first to fly and they finally surge get their claim. So yeah these guys are superstars. Catherine is actually If you remember we haven't talked about her in a bit. She's actually superstar too because she goes with him. She learns french. For the express purpose of helping the brothers out while they go on an eventual european tour She negotiates a deal with these guys. You know. Get the sense that neither one of them were businessmen and they really sort of had their head in the invention game and so catherine was really key for initially managing that bike shop and then helping them out with their journaling and data keeping and then She the one that actually negotiated with army because Yeah the army said. Hey we'll give you guys some money we'll give you twenty. Five thousand dollars is a grant but you gotta be able to fly a pilot and a passenger and presumably you know a couple of palms or something in a gun. Maybe sure would be my guess at the very least a guy with a rifle died. Yes so was this. Before or after Tragic game of hide. And seek with catherine. And charlie taylor where he hid in and got locked in and suffocated to death. That you referenced earlier. I don't know. I'm not sure okay but it was around that time from what i understand right. I think so. So catherine She negotiates this. Money and wilbur is in france and orville at this time goes back to dc. And he eventually in. Dc does a flight that goes for seventy minutes. Yes the the french when they saw this. The french government is like take our money. How much you want for this plane. And they started to negotiate with france's sell their military planes. Becca the attention of the. Us war department finally said okay. We're i'm bored. We'll start buying planes from you. Two and one of the things. A lot of people don't realize about the rights is that they spent several years around this time training the military's of the us in europe how to fly planes selling them planes there the first structures. Yeah they really were so During one of this these training i guess kind of demonstrations orville had a passenger named lieutenant thomas selfridge and they went up and we're circling a field and I i'm not quite sure what malfunction they had to. You know what it was Now i just know that oracle had to cut you know cut the engine basically and try and land. He's going to try to glide in. Yeah and it didn't go very well. The plane gets lost. Its lift and just fell out of the sky again. Which is a real problem. Back in those days and Orville broke some ribs He sprained his back. But thomas selfridge died. He had his skull. He became the first casualty of a powered airplane crash in the history of humanity which is kind of a dubious honor really. Yeah it was Orval recovered of course He came to france. And this is when catherine also came to france and this is where they did their big sort of Sort of the victory tour where they were. Demonstrating the saying all over europe People loved it. It was huge and like you said earlier. They were key wilbur. And orville and katharine for the first big celebrities of the twentieth century. It's it's pretty astounding in like. Where's charley taylor. Catherine's like kato tone. I haven't seen in like a year. Now he just kind of dropped off the face strange so when they their Company became established. The the right company is to design and build planes When that got again if the ground sorry everybody Or vote was kind of dedicated to the actual production and invention side while wilbur dedicated himself to the business side meaning. He ran around suing. Anybody he thought was infringing on their patents. Many spent a lot of time doing that again remember. They were kind of raised not to trust outsiders. They trusted their family Which is the opposite of the stuff you should know motto And on some trip while he was i believe. Filing one of these patent infringements are investigating. He died After a trip to boston typhoid and i looked in typhoid. Mary was not cooking at the time on. Hiatus i thought wouldn't that be amazing if caught typhoid from typhoid mary but he did not Or as far as i could find he did not so he went back home to dayton and he died and he was only forty five. Actually remember orville and wilbur planned to spend the rest of their lives together so this had a pretty big effect on orval. Yeah i sense. And this is where i sort of hinted earlier about catherine in romance. She went with him and kind of stayed with oracle. He didn't have much interest in running the right company anymore so he sold it in nineteen fifteen sold all their patents for a million bucks About twenty six million dollars today so a huge sum of money to retire for the rest of your life. And that's what he did He still did stuff on. This was a hawthorn hill. Big mansion in dayton Like he built a an automatic toaster that sliced the bread He built a system of change that Let him adjust the furnace from upstairs. He built a circular shower like he was. He was never going to stop building things but it was all. I got the sense in just sort of retirement. Hobby sorta way. Yeah but catherine the sad ending there is. She met a man and fell in love. I can't remember his name and decided to get married and was really nervous about orville. I think he was so used so dependent on her Being around that she rightfully was scared and she was correct and he Refuse to speak to her ever again after she Got engaged and got married. Oh wow which is really kind of crazy That's the nicest way to say it. And and it made me kind of think ill of him at the end and she got pneumonia and was dying basically. He still wouldn't talk to her and finally one of his friends said you gotta go talk to katherine man. This is your sister and apparently he did arrive at her deathbed at least but But she had died. Yeah well i think he got there first but she did pass away of pneumonia and Just very sad ending to her story of after not getting much credit over the years and sort of being at the beck and call of these brothers that were brilliant inventors and being a key part of their team and then being too scared to tell her brother that she had fallen in love and getting married. It was really bad. That is very sad So she so orville outlived her as well. You hadn't realized that well he kept Like you said tinkering kind of in retirement as a as a as a consummate inventor for the rest of his life and he actually died. really suffered a heart attack while fixing a doorbell and then died three days. Later narrowly super alone didn't realize that that was a real bummer ending. That hadn't anticipated chuck. It's a double bummer. I thought we were going to end it. Kind of like Him say him. Being like i invented to the end. And then you know the the Susa band starts playing. 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#83 Blir Justin Amash presidentkandidat i USA?

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#83 Blir Justin Amash presidentkandidat i USA?

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