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Sand, Sunscreen And ... Sharks! Cape Cod Beach Towns Do More To Keep People Safe
"This message comes from n._p._r. Sponsor xfinity some things are slow like a snail races. Other things are fast like xfinity x. by get get fast speeds even when everyone is online working to make wifi simple easy awesome more at xfinity dot com restrictions apply. It's been a bit tense on some of the beaches of cape cod this summer. That's because nearly a year ago. A young man was killed by a great white shark the first such such death there and more than eighty years. There's been an influx of sharks since a rebound in the seal population and now as ceremonies tan of member station w. c. I. reports some cape cod. Beach towns are taking new steps to keep people safe. The sun is just starting to peek out from behind morning. Clouds at nukem hollow beach in wellesley and olympia guzzo is sitting on the sand with her family. Normally she'd be out in the water but she's being more cautious. The summer i mean yesterday was really really good swimming day. I wouldn't let myself go like anywhere above my waist those two free but normally like even last year i would go swimming for like an hour at a time after last year's deadly shark attack outer cape towns are making changes. They've purchased taller lifeguard chair so lifeguards can see further offshore. There are now large signs warning about the risk risk of great whites in the area and for this beach. There's also a new high-tech buoy and water that will alert lifeguards when it detects tagged sharp. We actually are just coming offer closing right now. We had to close for an hour because the bleeping at ten fifteen that's head lifeguard jody craven the buoy sends an alert and sharp description to the lifeguards who will then call everyone out of the water this year. These sightings have happened a lot sometimes twice a day. It was <hes> shark named ben and he's about thirteen not point nine feet long and that's a pretty mature sharp. The buoy was set up by state shark. Researcher greg's gomo who began tagging white sharks off cape cod four years ago he he says the tagged sharks are just a small slice of the population that exists in these waters. We know at least three hundred individuals three hundred fifty individuals are visiting cape cod but we'll we'll definitely be able to tell you that that's not the the actual estimate. It's going to be much more than that. He's also working on a study about shark behavior to help advise towns you know we we talk a lot about seeing more and more white sharks from year to year to year now. We'll be able to actually tell you well is it increasing and what are the numbers looking like and then get a sense. We're the population. Trajectory is going on a nearby beach e._m._t. Rex is writing all terrain vehicle. He's part of the town's new initiative to increase emergency response times in case of another shark attack. It's what we do. Is we kind of monitor all the sections of the beach and then we work with the lifeguards and we troll around looking for stuff. Make sure everybody's doing good the vehicles. They're driving are equipped with a large plastic box and a duffle bag that contains all kinds of first aid equipment including being new items specifically for treating shark bites. We've upgraded our equipment a little bit. We have a lot more trauma dressings and he must act dressings and stuff like that but some people say all these measures are reactive and they want to do more to prevent shark attacks in the town of chatham select board member charene davis acknowledges that she's heard of things like buoy that could detect not just tagged sharks but any sharp movement in the water there'd been calls for putting <unk> up and <hes> pingers and i think that would be great if we could those are costly and i don't know if the technology even there yet for now. She says towns haven't heard of any proven prevention tools officials. I think the most effective thing they can do is to make people aware of the new risk for n._p._r. News i'm sarah mazes ten in wellesley massachusetts sets <music>.
Cold, Dark, and Sharky
"Hey Pete Hey Sam Vokes. Can I reintroduce you all to Peter fricke right hosts of the outside podcast and friend and occasional collaborator with the show and folks. Can I introduce you to Sam the normal every day every episode host of outside in you live out in Portland Oregon and and you serve right yes. I'm a dedicated surfer but as such you'd think it would be better at it. Do you serve I have served maybe CBS half dozen times mostly in Maine in the fall which means a lot of neoprene and it also. I've never had what I think is. A right of passage for surfers offers a shark encounter yeah I have so I like a lot of learning to surf comes from Talking Servers about surfing and there's a certain amount of like every shark story but they all sort of begin the same way of just like I was out there and I just Kinda felt a tin goal on the back of my neck that couldn't explain and I looked around like between sets and there is nothing different but like you know there was there was something it's just this sort of like sense and they call it out here like they call it the sharkey feeling and when you describe what's the Surfing Lincoln Oregon well. It's it's called dark and shark because it's just a feeling that you get and the thing that to me is funny is that by all rights it. It seems like we should be scared of sharks like their undeniably predators they can swim at thirty miles an hour like you can't see them coming when you're in the water and all all that scary and as someone who lives in a part of the world that has been shark free for decades it seems to me like fear of sharks is rational well. It's it's it's totally rational. On a personal level I mean they're huge. They re grow teeth at a constant like constantly. They're constantly regarding teeth because they use them so much but on another level being afraid of sharks stupid because when you actually get the numbers you've just not gonna be bit by a shark. It's so rare even in Charkhi places but isn't that one of those things. It's like you can see the statistic but the question is can you actually can can you turn off that that deep reptile part of your brain is afraid of predators. It depends on how the waves are most of the time yes well. You know where people are having a hard time doing that right now is Cape. Cod Shark attacks are rare last year once that he says they were fifty three unprovoked shark attacks in the US. That's more than any other country in the world roll. Last year was the first fatal shark attack in the state since nineteen thirty six and the whole region is is kind of experiencing a full blown freak out. It was the first deadly shark attack in in Massachusetts in more than eight years now whenever there's a shark spotted the beaches shutdown and whenever the beach shutdown it makes the news on the beaches of Cape Cod Massachusetts to choose. It's it is shark week quite literally more than a dozen great white sightings in just the past two days over a hundred in the past month and the peak season is just getting getting started. I personally think the return of great white sharks to the waters of Cape Cod is one of the most covered natural phenomena of the new Millennium Glenham in the past few months there have been stories in the New York Times The Wall Street Journal The New Yorker essentially every national outlet you can think of but today we are going to tell you what's really going on out there or at least what I think is really going on there. Scientists don't know but SAM debts last last year two people were attacked by sharks on Cape Cod and one died. The result has been a media frenzy that really you have to see to believe but when you look past ask the headlines. The situation on the Cape is really a clash between these two stories. We tell ourselves about sharks. Is this about US learning to live with fear doc or is it about whether it's possible for us to get over our fear so you're a west coast guy. Yes yes born and raised and lived and never left for more than a vacation. Have you been to Cape Cod. No well mm whereas Cape Cod Massachusetts if you look at a map of the US is that like Hook that's jutting out into the Russian at the at the bottom of New England Gotcha Gotcha know definitively have not been there okay so in your imagination what Cape Cod like as someone who only do I do generally knows where it is. It's full of Chowder and fishermen Cape Cod. I think it's it's a place I can't help but love but also Kinda hate it because it's so Goddamn quaint like they're all these very well kept apt little downtown's surrounded by historic homes with like Immaculate Cedar Shingles for siding but it also is very touristy. The the staff that I've read is that it's like four or five million tourists go there each year and so it's got that feeling that a lot of places with a tourist economy have like nothing's really real yeah. I mean it. It just feels like a service economy but as you point out Cape Cod's economy did use to be all about fishing. I mean there were so many cod that colonial farmers native people you see us the fish for fertilizer along. The waters were rich abundant with all kinds of all kinds of wildlife corrine life. One of my interesting tidbit facts that I love is that they were not common but there used to be Walrus even in the Gulf of Maine in the southern. Uh Yes the long view here. This is Andrea Bogle mony who heads up the North West Atlantic seal research consortium so I grew up on the west coast and and then I moved out twenty years ago almost to the east coast to start a master's degree in fell in love with woods hole in love with this place and I stayed so when Europeans first I arrived here in New England there were great white sharks correct and you know we we look to the written record or images right in order to document meant what we see and one of my favorites is throw who broke Cape Cod and described such an abundance of sharks that why would you go swimming in those waters they were definitely definitely here and they were in great abundance as well but as the scale of fishing started to ramp up that abundant started to disappear and it happened fairly early like even before steam team powered boats and fine-mesh nets factory-trawlers all these things that we associate with overfishing back when it was just sailboats fishermen starts to notice that there were fewer fish and so in response in one thousand eight they started to kill seals so seals bounty hunters so the State of Maine Massachusetts put bounties on seals and so you could bring a seal nose into your town hall either a dollar five dollars and who is kind of thing and did a a very good job of wiping out at a dollar knows for about a decade around the turn of the century mainly Massachusetts were paying out for a thousand or two thousand or even as many as five thousand seals a year and it was as the seals start disappeared the great whites disappeared to uh so this was this brief ecological anomaly in the state of Massachusetts. I mean the boundaries ended in nineteen sixty two. What are some things is that happened. In the in those intervening years so nine hundred sixty two two today is when is when the seals came back like maybe we could sort of speculate wildly here sure so they they stopped offering money for killing them right the I mean the whole environmental movement started around sixty to sixty six yeah with sound spring what else would they do there is there was the endangered species act but interestingly neither neither seals or great white sharks have wherever listed there was the Marine Mammal Protection Act nineteen seventy two and made it a crime to kill a seal okay. Wow what a turnaround for the seals yeah and there was but there was one other event that actually had nothing to do with the seal recovery recovery that that happened in between I don't know this. Are they just yeah they have you seen jaws. Yes for in my formative years this funny. I've actually never seen it until two years ago. which when? I was reporting the story just sort of poking around I discovered put me in this tiny minority. The four out of five Americans has seen the movie jobs yeah well. It's not I mean if you never ever had cable TV. How do you like you're probably someone who's just never been home sick from school. They finally did watch. It's a really good movie. Oh yeah good movies have very clear the enemies and complications. There's nothing more simple or uncomplicated than a shark they gotta get the shark and that really is is set up in this one very striking scene which is Captain Quint's monologue Japanese Submarine Slam two torpedoes into our side chief going back island ten in lady. Just live with the bump. Yushi moved them and for the twenty percent who don't know quince quince is just this like archetypal fisherman. He's actually a shark hunter that the town hires to kill the shark and he's motivated by what a coincidence since having been the fictional survivor of what is a real world event what what's alleged to be the worst instance of shark attacks in human history the sinking of the USS Indianapolis in World War. Two new towns looks right into your eyes. Schalke's lifeless is blackout. Dow's when he comes at. You don't seem to be living until he buys you. The black guys rollover way and and yeah that terrible high pitched screaming the ocean tuned read the pound committing repeated pieces this like jaws generally then captain quint specifically is sort of our original American Shark Story. The stories that sharks sharks are scary. They want to eat us and that we need to take action in order to keep ourselves safe but in the years since jaws another shark star has been taking hold so Do you know the story of the author of the of the novel jaws I know I know it's Peter Benchley Peter Benchley east coaster her before writing fiction he was a journalist he was speech writer for. LBJ An after writing jaws he was filled with regret and he wound devoting the rest of his life to ocean conservation and actually here. He is in two thousand and four. He's being interviewed two years before he died. So is that true. You feel like you couldn't write that novel now. John's knowing what you know no got to remember how long ago that was there was no earth day when I was writing that it was no environmental consciousness at all the book book actually came out after the first Earth Day but eventually says he started thinking about it well before then he wrote at one point. No the shark in an updated jaws could be the villain it would have to be written as the victim for worldwide sharks are much more the oppressed than the oppressors now. We don't still a great deal but we we do know you certainly couldn't. I couldn't demonize the animal every year. Tens or even hundreds of millions of sharks are killed many consumption for their for their fins at least but others just for sport in these Macho Shark fishing tournaments and seventeen percent of all shark species are endangered or vulnerable and Benchley eventually became wracked with guilt that he had made his worse and started pushing for a new narrative just was famously shot on Martha's Vineyard and Martha's vineyard for those who don't know is an island just off Cape Cod and when it came out there was this fear that the movie was such a smash hit it would scare people away from the Cape because because they were associated with sharks but of course that is not what happened. The original draws in nineteen seventy five was a huge hit here in chatter frothiness reasons so that's Kevin McLean he runs a local independent movie theater in Chatham which is out on the Cape store the heel of the Cape and they had a movie theater that was turned inches. CVS for a while but in twenty thirteen they reopened it. It's called the Chatham orpheum and of course everybody in town. Their first thing was you gotta show jaws. The first movie has to be draws. You know that has to be the first movie. It's Kinda the Quintessential Chatham movie when you want around downtown Chatham Right now it's bananas. There's there shark stuff for sale everywhere. The tourist shops gas stations that their shirts like shark bites out of them. Their hats with shark bites out the middle plus sharks. It's it's kind of become the mascot and in the Chatham orpheum they have screenings of jaws all summer long and Kevin says the almost all sell out and some of them are like they're like the rocky horror picture show where the audience is like shouting their favorite lines and there's this one scene where where quint crushes the beer can and like people by Narragansett Beers and they crush them at that moment during that scene. I love it. People Start emailing me in April and May were coming to Chatham in August. We want to know when the jaws screenings are people frigging love the sharks you know there's a great line in the movie where they're standing in the middle of the street and he says you know if you yell shark on the Fourth of July. We're going to have a stampede on our hands. People are gonNA run from the beach but what's happened is that it's sparked a curiosity for sharks. It was an inspiration for people and so what I always tell people well that was back in nineteen seventy five absolutely in right now you yell shark. They run to so to me. This is a hypothesis right like you know back in the eighties in particular when when they started to sell the shark memorabilia they were think of the idea of a shark now we stop killing the seals and the seals came back amazingly fast. This is Andrea again. They came from somewhere the rebounded because they were able to recall is and they came from sable island to peak can you are you at your computer right now. Yeah can you pull up Google map TAB APNEA K. Google Google Sable Island. Okay tell me what you see. I see a like a half moon crescent like the thinnest sliver we're of American but it's an island in the ocean and scroll out see tell me how far it is from stuff. it is ten scrolls out. Wow Oh it's way out. Sable island is a very weird place so it's tiny as you said is twelve square miles. Yeah I mean it's barely in Canadian waters uh-huh and Sable Island has four hundred thousand seals on it will and also randomly five hundred feral horses. The horses get their only got time for one species podcast. Nazis seals are not migratory they but they do disperse which means if there's someplace that's crowded like say a tiny half moon sliver way out in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. They do try to find someplace new and and what we know is that some of the seals that wound up repopulating Cape Cod and the islands came from sable island because because some of the scientists would it actually brand the seals are up there with numbers to keep track of them on there are people paying attention here on Cape Cod and notice that one of these branded animals was on the untuckit people started noticing these animals coming back so the bounty ends in sixty two by the nineties there some seals pumping again on the Cape and islands and and today counting both harbor and Grey seals were up to somewhere between one hundred to maybe one hundred and ten thousand out on the Cape Wow and and with the seals came sharks which means that we now get to test Kevin's hypothesis this idea that if you yell shark people run to the beach and not away I'm rolling so I want to introduce you to introduce yourself off captain. Darren kept durrance letter Montemar sport fishing. What's your boat's name rising sun. He's a charter boat captain. tell me just tell me about your business. What do you do and and how do you make a living. I run primarily fishing charters and tours. We do a combination of fishing charges whale watching and we do a great white shark towards well great white shark tours so we work with a private spotter plane and then he had the spider plan locates sharks protests Cortana on him and we can get up you know to at a safe distance to the sharks. Were not bothering shark but you get a good view depending on the clarity of the water so pete. How much would you pay to go see he greatly shark. How long has it tour two hours two hours. I'd pay forty dollars. You're hiring the boat and airplane. It makes it a little bit pricey but the trip is fourteen hundred dollars. It's about a two two and a half hour trip fourteen hundred dollars or wow. How how popular is that business. It's it's a product in high demand so how this works they hire this this plane. I I did not know this. This is a whole side hustle for anyone who's got a Cessna and a pilot's license is you can be a fish potter and the primary a duty of a fish potter is to find big swordfish and tuna for those fishermen for whom landing a single fish can be worth thousands of dollars but in this instance their job is to go and look sharks and actually. I actually spoke with one of these fish spiders his name is Wayne Davis. How are you flying and how. How do you spot chocolate? What's it look like from. A plane looks like a shark dark grey body against the sandy bottom Wayne Wayne actually though as a as a spotter spider is mostly working for the Atlantic White Shark Conservancy which is nonprofit that popped up in twenty twelve it funds Shark Conservation Research and is currently working working on a census. That's trying to estimate the shark population off the Cape at any beach at anytime believe me they're going to be a shark a hundred feet away mm-hmm and that's his takeaway is that having been up there and looked down at the beaches. They are everywhere. You know other than hunger. I'm not sure what what makes them react to to a target but I've just seen them swim by so many surfers and swimmers and sometimes close. It made me aware that these the you know the term man eater. It's one of the dumbest things that he's ever created outside. Just published a thing like a just sort of like you're usually much closer to a shark than you think and it's like now that people kite surfers are now putting gopro 's up in their sights that like look back down at them in the water and like the number of sharks just sort of following them and watching watching them. It seems like every other week there's someone in Monterey California and the hell the police helicopters like above them on the megaphone saying like get out of the water her as our ability to see into the ocean has increased the the number of the nearness of sharks. This is just now becoming apparent to the question is if that's the reality if there are sharks everywhere if you know if it's cold sharkey out there what is the story that we're telling ourselves is is a Steven Spielberg's. Jaws like this is scary and we need to do something or is is this. Peter Benchley revised jaws where the shark is the victim and I I want an answer to that so I went to a beach microphone. Can I get your name's Clark. Lana Baumgartner made me Bailey and I asked folks I felt so had you heard about the situation with the sharks here on the Cape prior to arriving no not not before we go obviously a lot of them are freaked out What does that make you think we they go in but not very far basically the site of the Cape we stay out of the waters. It's funny actually found a single public opinion poll quantified this found a couple of things fifty-one percent agree with the statement. I am absolutely terrified of sharks which I've Kinda like yet but this surprise me thirty eight percent of people say they're afraid to go into the water because of sharks. I'd stay close to shore. I don't go over my waist would stay where I can touch at least but when I was talking to folks on the beach the thing that was really surprising to me was the degree to which Peter Benchley is remake was what I was hearing from. People is just it's just nature. You've you've got. You've got your in their territory now so you you just gotTa know what's nature impede nature this thing we just have to let nature take its course in that respect. The Ocean is where they live so you can't really tell them where to go. It does not bother us and I think the poll bears this out eighty two percent of people say they agree that sharks perform a vital role for ecosystems and seventy five percent save. This should only be hunted or killed. If it's absolutely necessary seals eat the fish sharks eat the seals. They're space. That's right yeah yeah yeah. We're just here visiting my conclusion. After about a week of interviews down there was we're living in jaws to the the jaws in which the shark is not the villain just as jaws. There's been a fatality now on the Cape last year. A twenty six year old kid from Brazil who was getting his masters in engineering sneering up in Massachusetts was bitten and died while Boogie boarding but instead of the reaction that you see in the movie where the town hires a- shark hundred take revenge I I was hearing this narrative of ocean conservation from the lay public or at least that's what you get when you ask tourists on the beach when you talk to folks who are out in a and on the water a lot. It's a different story to some. Sharks are still out to get us. That's after a short break all right. If you Google Sharks on Cape Cod you'll see a lot of quotes a lot of beds a lot of news stories about folks folks who want something to be done about the sharks the original name of these creatures in the marine biology bibles that we used to educate marine biologists up until the seventies their name was man-eater correct and that particular phrase or description scripture has been struck by the so-called conservationists but prior to that they were called man eaters so that's John cartoonist who surfer who lives in well fleet which is out an Outer Cape towards the end of the hook and he's involved with a group of local residents who launched something called Cape Cod Ocean Community. It was formed after the fatal attack that happened last year and the central message is essentially. You have got to do something about this. September Timber Fifteenth was Cape Cod's nine eleven that was the day that changed everything here on Cape Cod. We lost our our innocence. I interviewed this group. There are four of them altogether and some of the statistics that you hear about shark attacks that you know like you're more likely to be killed by heat stroke or lightning strikes or train crashes. There's actually even a statistic that more people are killed each year being crushed crushed by a vending machine than die from shark attacks. They hate these statistics. That's complete propaganda and more misinformation if they took the sample of people that actually recreate in the water on Cape Cod and the amount of shock encounters as the conservancy likes to call on them and spotted sharks and beach closures. If you take all of that then the chances of someone being affected by why sharks marauding our beaches are very very high and this is the misinformation that spewed out there to basically hoodwink the public to say say that you know what you're going to have more of a chance of getting into a car accident and then getting bit by a shark yeah if you live in Nebraska I agree but if you live in Wellesley they're completely wrong and they're doing the public here a huge myth service so if if they are if this new narrative is that sharks are are actually dangerous like what do they propose that that people do about it well so so for one. They're they're pushing for surveillance right there. There's this thing called clever buoy which is the sonar buoy that uses machine learning to to detect sharks and tell people if there's one in the water her and is actually is an Australian company is being piloted down in California though but essentially so far. We don't even really know if the thing works like we we don't. We don't know if it's got false positives or false negatives they any kind of recognize that like they think let's just give it a try so this is drew Taylor. He's another another surfer from wealth lead. Do we have an obligation to put something in the water that we're not going to stand behind as far as this is you know one hundred percent safe and guaranteed but just use it as a pilot study use it as a study that as we're kind of starting to use as our little quote better than nothing and I think something along those lines could happen. The national seashore is conducting a study right now of technological solutions to keep people informed about shark. Activity is actually expected out any day now like I was hoping they would put it out before we put the story out but surveillance is just the near term goal for these folks long-term. They've got their sights set said on the thing that's attracting the sharks. They've got their sights set on the seals. This chick F- Rhody who also has a house out on the Outer Cape. If somebody from outer space came down here and they saw our whole world they wouldn't say well nature's here and the humans are here that actually probably think we were part of nature. He Says Cape Cod fishermen knew that and they I did not feel conflicted about reshaping the ocean to better suit their needs so the stay cold the seals and that allowed fishing industry to be really good here and people people say well. That's their ocean. You know we shouldn't be doing that. Well that used to be our ocean until I was changed with a stroke of a pen in nineteen seventy two so these local residents have joined forces with an already existing constituency commercial fisherman who who have been calling for reform to the Marine Mammal Camel Protection Act for a decade and they want fewer seals. This again is Captain Darren who yet he runs shock tours but his primary business is fishing charters and he's also a surfer but I think it really is. GonNa come down to reducing the the prey but yeah it's obviously concerned for me and my son and I I. I wanted to have the experience that I had growing up right now. It's certainly not a safe environment for anyone to be going in the water anyone that thinks they can without a high risk of being creative you know brave or kidding themselves on the other there have been calls by people who live on Cape Cod to return to the days of the seal bounty. There's historically been this desired escape goat seals. It's not new this has been happening. Being through time you know go back to the eighteen hundreds when there was this perception that you know the fish were gone because of the seals and part of that yeah I think scapegoating is when you're angry at something or things have changed and you don't know where to put that anger or that frustration and I see that almost every day with the seals that's Sandra again the seal researcher. She agrees that seals eat a lot of fish. Nobody would deny that but she says that the reason fisheries decline was overfishing not seals else and I think I think what I'm arguing here. Is that sharks now. Have this whole architecture of conservation. That's been working to rehab have their image and so it's not terribly popular to hate on the sharks and so the anger just kind of moves down the food chain and it lands on this other creature that is more common end historically has just been like a receptacle for the dislike of ocean communities. It's it's landed back on the seals. That's interesting. It's like we can't be angry at the sharks anymore. Because we know how important they are right and how dangerous they are as they're saying calling for killing sharks is going to be backlash but but you've already got the fishermen who are calling for fewer seals so killing the seal is actually the path of released resistance yeah but I think I think the real question here is how would that work. Jury thinks that if you wanted the sharks to actually you'd have to kill a lot of seals. You'd have to eliminate pretty much every free pumpkin cut every adult you could and which is why the bounties were successful back in eighteen eighty nine hundred sixty two. There was this effort to do that. At every single location we basically have to call them down to zero again and that ultimately a political question like you've got a whole legal framework that is going need to have to change if we want to to move the needle here which is why. I called Bill Keating Congressman yes. You should be on what Fam- family there. I'm here so this is a call with Bill Keating. He's on his cell phone. He's the Congressman Cape Cod and I figured that if anyone's getting on board for this it would be someone in his position because you know surfers and fishermen aside tourism to the Cape is the goose that lays the golden egg right and sharks might threaten GNAT but even Bill Keating is not on board with this idea it would be a nonstarter because the scientific evidence is clearly thing right now. It wouldn't do any good. They just imagine this shit show it would be like you've got to convince not just like surfers and bathers environmentalists in New England that it's in their best interest interest to call sales but you're gonNA need Congress from the West Coast voting for a bill. That's about killing seals right. Yeah like this is just not an easy political fight to take up here. We are right like it doesn't seem like anything's going to change like the sharks are back on Cape Cod and that's just the new reality Um and they're and they're protected because the thing they eat is very cute very charismatic exactly so now what they're doing. They're I mean they're stocking. Lifeguard stations with Turner kits sprinkled landlines along the beach and spots where sell services bad and they've got these great big terrifying signs everywhere a warning about sharks and you know it's crazy like the whole regions just buzzing every time beaches closed. It's in the news. Every public meeting that someone's talking about the response to the sharks swarmed with reporters and it's been in this the circus is total circus. Everyone who's a surfer in New England and he has an APP called Shark tippety. Yeah that's that was made by the the white shark conservancy well so he looks at it before he goes surfing and what he does is is he goes to a beach that doesn't have any sharks at it or like any reported charq sightings and it took him about two trips to realize realize that the reason that these beaches don't have any reported sharks is that there's just no people they're yes exactly because after on his second trip or something like that a shark showed up yeah which is it which sort of gets you to it. It's like so far every measure we have is imperfect right and so and so my question is sort of like like I just felt like I wanted to point out this this fact that that I feel like it's very rarely pointed pointed out in stories about sharks and Cape Cod which that if you look so there's this thing the international shark attack file keeps track of every confirmed unprovoked shark attack unprovoked provoked shark attacks. Is there a such thing as a provoked shark attack. A provoke shark attack would be for instance. If you were to catch a shark bring it into your fishing boat and then it bit you wow yeah okay so they distinguish right right and over the last twenty years on the whole whole east coast there have been three bites three people have been bitten by a great white shark and one of those fatal and on the West Coast and that same period over the past twenty in years. They've been thirty four and four of those were fatal and is just like why is this new story. Every time someone sees a shark on Cape Cod God I called up the Shark attack file and I talked to tyler bowling who manages the data set. S- town he's down at the Florida Museum of Natural History Story on the West Coast. It seems like there's greater risk but but there isn't this outcry an east coaster is and and like them being. He just being used to it. I guess I'd like I guess that's true. I think it's just I there's more of a surfing culture over there so they're exposed to it more and if you talk to these surfers offers the majority of the time they're like yeah. We see them all the time. We know they're there. We know the risk. It's I'm still going out and then you talk to. These guys get bit. They're like yeah it'd be out soon as Mao the cast they just accept the risk and they're more aware of it and I think that it seems like the Cape Cod area and it's just I don't WanNa the word ignorant but they were just sort of blissfully unaware and suddenly the sharks were kind of more prevalent and it was a little scary sure that's awfully easy. Answer is funny. I wanted talk to surfers out on the Cape but the surf was terrible while I was there and I would wander into surf shops and as soon as I walked in they will just like the literally as soon as I walked with my microphone and I said I was working on a shark story. The guy just said go away and there are a few of them I just hung around I- pestered and turn the microphone off and they would chat with me for a few minutes and one of them sort of told me off handedly like no one wants to talk to you because no one wants to be the shop that says it's okay to go back in the water and then like somebody gets bit but but clearly like that's what a lot of surfers already already think so too when I was out on the beach talking to tourists there was one woman who I was immediately like Yes your fellow traveller. Amy Chambers numbers. Where are you from. I grew up here and I currently live in. Vermont was like Patagonia gear sweet beach tent set up very engaged in the conversation and right away. She boogie border and serves a little bit. What do you make of the whole shark thing the whole Chart Zeitgeist Yeah. It's it's really interesting that you ask because I I've been thinking about it a lot but it hasn't swayed my decision to get into the water until yesterday. I got in Dan but a seal had just went by that had gotten bit but previously the lifeguards scar scarred yet but it was a big old. Gash just like it looked bad but he seemed to be doing fine and it was the first time that I question getting in the water ever but did you. You say you questioned did you you change your decision or religious or like. I still went in but there was a moment where the tide was changing and there was this really deep spa fought and I just I found another spot to go but I still went in. I do other things that are dangerous that go skiing drive. I fly a plane so it seems to me that this is on the list and maybe a little bit more of a known factor but I'm still going to go swimming. I think it'd be really cool to see a shark. I just don't WANNA be right next to it when it pops up honestly like in have it mistake me and my wetsuit for zeal and honestly there have been reactions on the extremes folks saying they'll never go in the water again folks calling for the killing of sharks or seals. You know like it's possible that Cape Cod may be about to become some sort of global shark attack hot spot and prove prove me wrong but I think for now behind the hype and sensationalism. Most of the people out on the beach are in a different place today than when Jaws I came out. Most of us are a little concerned but also just Kinda mesmerized the outside in was produced this week by Sam. Eh Frown and Peter Fricke right with help from Jimmy Gutierrez Hannah McCarthy Justin Paradise Taylor quimby Michael Roberts and me Erik Janik special thanks to outside aside magazine music in this episode from Robbie Carber and blue dots sessions. 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You've Never Heard the Story of the Pilgrims Like This Before
"November eleventh sixteen twenty a ship called the Mayflower rounded the tip of Cape Cod on board were one hundred two passengers pilgrims. Servants screw and other labourers all join together to start an English colony in the new world. They first anchored here in what's now province town harbor. Today. Bobbins down is a lively seaport it stunning. Views of the Atlantic have made it a haven for artists. But the pilgrim saw this coast with a different I. One of the Mayflower passengers William Bradford the went on to become governor of the new colony described the coast as a hideous and desolate wilderness. Oatley the pilgrims. Didn't settle in province town. They chose instead to more sheltered location just across Cape Cod bay and named it cliff after the English port from which they had departed sixty six days early. A replica of the Mayflower. Lies in Plymouth harbour and provides a glimpse of the cramped conditions on board for these one hundred two eager souls who traveled with their animals, tools and weapons. Before heading to shore the Bill Grimm's decided to establish new laws for their colony. All forty one men aboard stood on the ship's deck and signed a contract. That's known as the Mayflower compact that contract is honored here at Plymouth's national monument to the forefathers. On the main pedestal stands, the thirty six foot tall statue of faith pointing towards the heavens seated below her are four figures representing the key principles of the Mayflower, compact, freedom, morality law and education. These virtues would become the foundation of America's democracy, the monuments inscription reads erected by a grateful people in remembrance of their labors sacrifices and sufferings for the cause of civil and religious. Liberty.
Foreign Workers Living Overseas Mistakenly Received $1,200 U.S. Stimulus Checks
"Lawmakers in the White House are trying for a deal on a corona virus relief package. They say they might get it done by the end of this week. If that happens, it will probably include a second round of twelve hundred dollar stimulus. The first round there were mistakes remember the irs sent about one point, four billion dollars to dead people, and now we're learning there was another problem stimulus money that was supposed to go to Americans went to foreign workers in other countries. Here's Sasha Pfeiffer from our investigations team. In typical year, several hundred, thousand foreign college students traveled to the United. States, for temporary seasonal jobs they're often from eastern Europe and south and central. America. And they work at Ski Resorts Amusement Parks and beach destinations as waiters, lifeguards, hotel housekeepers, and other low wage positions. One of those foreign workers is a twenty four year old citizen of the Dominican Republic who spent last summer working at a Cape Cod grocery store his former landlord on the Cape still received some of his mail and recently forwarded him a check from the US Treasury I'm just grab it to you. Like economy, impact statement president trump. That's what the chest said. Economic impact payment signed by President trump. Yeah. Exactly. NPR reached him in the Dominican Republic where he's working in taking online classes we asked if receiving that stimulus check had been a surprise. I was surprised because. Money. NPR agreed not to identify the man because he's concerned having gotten a check could put him at with the US government other foreign student workers. He knows received stimulus checks to couple of friends they'll move from the other countries like. Jamaica Colombian Ozone Montenegro. How many other people do you think you talked? You did this summer work like you also gotTA check. I his they. Almost all give the money almost all the people that I know like hundred, the payments were intended to stimulate the US economy by giving consumer spending money but this Dominican man is not able to work on Cape Cod this summer because the trump administration's freeze on foreign work visas has prevented seasonal workers from coming to the US. So he'll be spending his stimulus payment at home. Big L. because we can buy food up became those Beta cable services feels that can't be the university? The University in the Dominican Republic. I don't think that's fair. That's the Dominican Man's former Cape Cod landlord NPR agreed not to identify him because he worries speaking publicly could make him a target of the Internal Revenue Service he still remembers his shock at finding economic impact payments in his mailbox. For Two of the foreign students he'd rented rooms to our Santa Myself, this a stimulus check. Why would they get as much check? He then learned that some foreign workers in Kazakhstan also got checks. He regards many of the students who stayed with him as family but doesn't think they should stimulus payments just because these kids on citizens like these kids are agree kid but they are part of the people that are suffering in this country that have no jobs and so forth. Only US citizens and resident aliens are eligible for stimulus money the Dominican man interviewed by NPR and some of his friends do not meet that eligibility standard. The US government acknowledges some stimulus checks were improperly sent to foreign workers and told NPR it's quote exploring possible options to prevent that from happening again. Government officials and tax experts say the mistake happened because many foreign workers often unintentionally file incorrect tax returns the make them appear to be US resonance the often file form ten forty when they should file a ten forty N. R. which stands for non resident. Some foreign workers are scrambling to amend their returns because they were having mistakenly got a stimulus check will jeopardize their visa status or green card application or ability to return to the US. We saw a huge number of people contacting off after the first stimulus payments because they said, hey, I got this check I never asked I didn't think it was entitled to us how can I correct and to Kelleher her is vice president at Sprint tax which does US tax preparation for non-residents he said sprint tax has clients from one hundred and twenty nine countries who've tried to return stimulus checks including Brazil China India Nigeria and south. Korea. How much stimulus money was mistakenly sent to foreign workers is difficult to quantify. But Sprint tax did about four hundred amended returns last year for people who mistakenly filed as US residents so far this year it's done five thousand, almost five percent of the total federal tax returns at filed last year it just five percent of last year's more than seven, hundred, thousand student and seasonal workers with F one and J one visas received a stimulus check air that would total forty, three, million dollars. Sure. It doesn't surprise me that would have happened now does that make policy sent? Probably Not Georgia Attorney Clayton Cartwright's specializes in immigration tax law and has a background in accounting. He said, Congress was in what he calls panic mode March as the American economy was shutting down due to the pandemic. So it rushed stimulus funding out the door. Danda the torpedoes full steam ahead we've got to get the money out so they just do it and just live with the consequences including unintended consequences. The IRS nonresidents who mistakenly received stimulus money should return it. But kelleher of sprint tax predicts if more stimulus gets distributed, some foreign workers who sent back there I twelve hundred dollar check, we'll get a second one sasha pfeiffer NPR news.
What Martine Powers Learned at Disney World for People Who Love Podcasts (and More)
"Hello and welcome to another episode of insights hot casting. The show in which creators discussed their craft in this installment. I speak with journalist and podcast Martine powers in our original interview. Martin was so open with me about what it has been like to take on the huge role of host post reports the Washington Post Daily News. Podcast I really loved that. She not only shared the joys. But also the stresses of hosting that show if possible. I recommend listening to that episode before tuning into this one. I'll put a link to it. In the show notes in this installment we hear more about Martinez prior job as a newspaper reporter her experience at the transom audio workshop and her experience as a fulbright fellow which allowed her to live and report from Trinidad where her mother is from for a year. But we kick things off with Martine explaining what happened the first time she applied to be part of that program. Here we go. It kept kind of bouncing around in my brain that I wanted to do this and I actually applied for a fulbright once and got rejected. Because I had a really bad project then I wanted to do something about like environmental conservation and Trinet. And how like some kind of like sociological thing? Even though I didn't have any like basis to do that like I haven't covered the environment. I didn't know you know it wasn't like a sociology. Major whatever it was just like a thing that I that interesting. I had this idea I wanted to just go like live on a beach with those or something. I mean it sounds great. I know it would have been really great. I mean it's a great project for somebody else to do somebody who actually has experience in thinking about those things but then the next year I started covering transportation as my beat at the globe and And I really loved it. I thought then and think now that transportation is like a really fascinating lens to understand a lot of stuff about the world But that was then I applied again with a much better project that was about transportation issues and Trinidad. And I I think I made much more compelling case because it's something that I'd been covering at the globe for a year and a half and Yeah so I. So that's how I ended up getting this grant to go to the Caribbean and lived there for a year. What was that like? I think that when I went there. Part of my I wanted to do this project about transportation where I was like writing about transportation issues and traffic and congestion and stuff but also just you know wanted to experience island in an experienced my family and I remember getting there and being like okay. I'm going to go have dinner with my grandma a few times a week. Just because like I'm here and I can connect with her in that way and I sort of accepted the fact that I wasn't going to have that many friends when I was there and And so I started going to her house a lot and then after a few weeks and months I did end up making a lot of friends and then my grandmother would call and be like. Why haven't I haven't seen you in a month? Like where are you? You're only here for a year. Come hang out But it's just a a peaceful of like really friendly. Funny People I just find Trinidadians have a really like a love of life and like a real sense of humor that imbues everything that they do. I remember getting back from there and just thinking about how I felt like. I would laugh war on a trip to the grocery store Internet at than I would in like a week in DC and so yeah it was really special really special place in experience. Yeah you sound very connected to it. Actually one thing I wanted to ask you is was your interest in transportation or was the fact that you were covering transportation initially and I before the Fulbright Fellowship was that you're doing or was that initially assigned to you mostly initially assigned so I had been at the globe for a couple years and And I actually ended up being assigned to write about the newtown shooting when it happens like the reading a couple of reporters down to Connecticut. And I've been doing a lot of that at the time. 'cause I was General Simon and also doing crime stuff where you're just parachuting into really awful things that have happened Shootings or you know people getting run over by cars just like hard stuff and I just remember having a very distinct feeling there that I was like this is so rough and I feel like. I'm not even helping anyone by being here. Because there's so many reporters for flooding this place trying to talk to parents or family members of of some of the of the kids who died and I had. I remember coming back from there and be like. I don't WanNa do this anymore. I want to have a beat of some kind. I don't care what it is but I just WanNa have blake a thing. That is my own like a little spear of the world that I can be in charge of covering so I don't have this feeling like I'm constantly just like coming into random places without any real ability to to write a report with any kind of nuance or understanding. And so I think that was right. Around the time that my desk neighbor Eric. He'd been covering transportation and he hated it and he was complaining about it all the time and then they called me into one of the editors office and was like well. Eric doesn't like the beat off a bit. So how would you feel about it and I was really excited about it because I feel like it was yeah? It was a little bit a little world that I could take ownership of and really dive into. Yeah Cool I've heard some of your audio pieces related to that time and their great. Thanks so I'm dying to hear about your experience at transom emails from them every week and I'm always curious what that experience in Cape Cod is like. Maybe you can explain what that program is about. And what your experience was yeah. Transom is a A wonderful wonderful organization that is all about supporting people who do audio storytelling Helping them learn And they do a bunch of workshops and training programs and some of them are in different parts of the country in different parts of the world but twice a year. They hold a two month workshop. that is like a full-time audio storytelling. Boot camp And they do it. It's an Cape Cod Woods hole and they pick nine people for each session and you come and it's sort of like the real world NPR. It's like everyone's in two houses and you spend all your time together. You eat most of your meals together. And you're there to like make a couple of really good radio stories and you're kind of learning the basics of how to do audio and people come with all different kinds of experiences and some people have been doing journalism before and in a different way and some people haven't any journalism at all but I I heard about transom for like a couple years before that and I felt like it was my way to transition into the world of audio that I had had this growing feeling that I loved journalism but I feel like the kind of journalism that I'm doing isn't the thing that I want to be doing or I feel like there's this like part of it. That's missing and I was like desperate to find a way to transition into this thing that I felt like with all the parts of journalism that I loved which was podcasts. And so so. That's why he went and that was and it was like amazing. I. It's sometimes hard for me to describe the transmit experience just because it's so it's just so lovely and you're like Disneyworld for people who love podcasts. And and I just remember the first night got there and he would do that thing where you reference a podcast and then like this thing that I do a lot at least And have been doing for years. I'd be like oh well. You know the thing that you're seeing. It actually reminds me of this episode of Radio Lab that I loved and they're saying in this episode. But then you try to do that and everyone at the table had already heard that episode because everyone had listened to every episode of Radio Lab and this American Life and reply all and so it was just a great place to be immersed in audio and like in the supportive loving audio environment. Where people are telling you if this is the thing that you want to do. You're going to be able to find a way to do it And so in and and so there was that and also just like they give you all the practical skills of you know if you don't know how to use your quarter. Here's how to use recorder. Here's how to use them. Mike these different kinds of Mike's this is how you interview someone. This is. How you hold the MIC. Once you get back. This is audio editing. Software like this is these are the basics of how you put a story together and then the scripting and tracking and they kind of take you through every step of the process as you make a couple stories and that gives you the basics that you need to go out in the world and start making more stories. Thanks for listening to that. Bonus episode and thank you to Martine. Who was so fun to talk to? I was fortunate enough to meet Martine and person this year at the outlier podcast festival in Salt Lake City and unsurprisingly. She was just as smart funny and down to Earth as she is on this podcast. Martine has quickly become an inspiration to me. If you enjoyed this episode. Please tell a friend about it or post about it on social media spreading the word really matters and we appreciate any love and support. You can throw our way inside. Podcasting is hosted and produced by me. Skype Pillsbury Yvo. Tara is my producer for season. Two and he is also helping me. Put these bonus episodes together. Thanks also to my sound engineer. Charles quickly to Jason Cala Kansas. My boss for green lighting this project and you the people who listen to this show. I just love seeing that. You're listening from all over the world. It makes me incredibly happy. Feel free to reach out anytime. I love hearing from the readers of the newsletter. And the people who listened to the podcast feedback positive or constructive. They are both great and Yeah you guys make it all worth it. See you next time.
Not Flying This Summer? Many Americans Are Hitting The Road In RVs
"Flying is not all that attractive these days but with gas prices, low travelers are hitting the road some of them worried about staying in hotels and eating in restaurants have decided to go a different way they're taking an RV, a recreational vehicle for the first time Melanie peoples has more like a lot of people amy holded has never driven anything bigger than an SUV, but she's about to get behind the wheel of a thirty foot long house on wheels. Getting their first look at their home for the next ten days amy her mom Sandra and especially her twelve year old son Duncan are thrilled. Why Goal. Very. It looks plenty big for their trip for Madison Alabama to Cape Cod Massachusetts there's a table, a kitchen, a back bedroom, even a shower and bathroom not to mention walls that slide out to make their living space even bigger. Cheryl Huddle is the owner of the RV. Okay. So normally start at the front door we're just GONNA go around and everything's been cleaned with bleach because of covid you wouldn't think it but it takes two hours for huddled to show hold it everything she needs to know there's all the indoor stuff how the benches turned into bed when to hook up to electricity when to use the generator, how to turn on the generator not to mention all the outside stuff like power cord water hookup right now we get into the Control panel. Air Conditioner where're you headed to this? Wasn't the vacation hold each who works us an esthetician in a salon had planned for her family. They were all supposed to fly to why and sure they could have just put that off for another year. But Amy wanted something for making memories this summer my Dad Alzheimer's, and my mom has a progressive memory loss as well and I knew. I don't know how many trips we have left in us. You know there's a lot of uncertainty right now and I, just kind of went with it just kept thinking about it and kept thinking about it and i. just kind of jumped off the cliff and didn't that is not to say, she doesn't expect challenges. But as she's navigating her new role as a single mom she's discovering learning to overcome them is a good thing and so there was a little bit of uncertainty of of doing it myself. But I've. Always, been able to do it myself before for the most part on you know struggle sometimes but I think I can do it. She doesn't want to look back on this year as the year corona virus ruined everything. Hold it is not alone nationwide three times as many people are renting vs the summer according to the RV renting service RV share CEO. John Gray, says, people are Leery of shared spaces are discovering. What's great about RV's people can bring the bathroom with them. They can bring their kitchen with them, and that premium of control that has always existed in RV travel is even more of a premium. This year prices run from fifty dollars a night for a pop-up Camper two thousand and night depending on size and level of luxury. Despite the Corona Virus Americans certainly aren't sitting at home, the American Automobile Association Aaa Expect six hundred, eighty, three, million, car trips this summer that's only a three percent drop from last year bottom line is Americans plan to travel genetic Kesse is a spokesperson for AAA. One thing different this summer she says is people have to plan ahead you want to plan your trip from eight point. Be Not just to know how you're going to get there. But where and when you're going to stops and that's exactly what hold each has done mapping her out all the way up to Cape. COD making sure she won't have to quarantine along the way speaking of old age. She's gotten her last bid of RV instructions and the family is all inside buckled up and ready to ride. Right regard. She'll be fine. No really. She made a perfect three point turns in reverse after that. And then they were gone. Off on their big adventure. For NPR news. I'm Melanie peoples since Melanie reported that story amy has made it safely to Cape Cod but says, driving an RV through the Lincoln tunnel is not something she would advise. Weekend Edition is a production of NPR news, which is solely responsible for its content like a story you heard on this or another NPR program, share it with a friend at NPR DOT org. While there you can also hear stories you miss enjoy expanded, content, or connect to your favorite member station.
Man dies after shark attack at Cape Cod
"Hi, Jim Denison with Denison form. And this is the daily article for Monday. September seventeenth twenty eighteen Arthur was very happy, young man. He loved life. He was inactive member of a Christian church devoting his life to the Lord. He was happily engaged to a smart kind hearted medical student with the bright future. This is how the family and friends of Arthur Medici describe the old after he was attacked by a shark on Saturday. Off the Cape Cod beach and later died at a hospital and other news typhoon mancoon described as the world's strongest this year reached mainland China yesterday after pummeling Hong Kong and killing at least fifty four people in the Philippines more than two and a half million. People have been evacuated in southern China. Meanwhile, tropical depression. Florence has quote slowly ravaged the south with rain and wind. As of this morning, seventeen deaths have been confirmed as a result of the storm officials. Warn that flooding quote is only going to get worse. Even after the storm is over lingering. Floodwaters will be extremely dangerous, chemical and biological contamination or a continuing threat, including bacteria that can pollute drinking water and caused life threatening infections. One fact these stories have in common is that humans do not control nature. We face threats as frightening sharks as massive as typhoons and hurricanes and as microscopic as bacteria. I make this point today because you and I live in an age of such technological advancement that we can dilute ourselves into thinking WalMart powerful than we really are. Consider some examples every minute on the internet. Two point seven eight million YouTube videos or downloaded two point. Four million Google searches are initiated three hundred forty, seven thousand two hundred twenty two tweets or sent five hundred twenty seven thousand seven hundred sixty photos are shared on Snapchat. One hundred fifty million emails or sent an Amazon registers, two hundred and three thousand five hundred ninety six dollars in. In sales, and I phone has more computing power than all of NASA had when it flew Neil Armstrong to the moon ear buds can now translate between fifteen different languages in real time robotic excess skeletons are being developed to assist our soldiers in battle the law. So helped those with imputations and other physical challenges and technological advances in genetics, carried the potential to change every dimension of healthcare from diagnosis to treatment to prevention. Technology is advancing as Gordon Moore predicted it would in nineteen sixty five. The engineer noted that the number of transistors per silicon chip was doubling every year in nineteen seventy five. He revised his timeframe, two years. Moore's law is commonly cited today to predict that the processing power of computers will double every two years. Demonstrate this phenomenon. Put a grain of rice on the bottom left square of chessboard, then double it on the next square to. Than double it. Again on the next square. Two, four continue doubling the amount on each successive square. The last square would contain eighteen quintillo grains of rice more that has been produced in the history of the world in the face of such staggering technological advancement. It's easy to believe that humans are quickly conquering the world, but that's a trap. The first tem, tation is the Only Tim tation. You will be like God, Genesis three, five every sin is very Asian. On the same theme, be your own God by stealing this or lying about that slandering this person or attacking that one, what Nietzsche call the will to power is the basic drive in fallen human nature. Then a hurricane or typhoon attacks with force. We could neither prevent nor control or microbes. We cannot see cause infection and even death, and they remind us that no matter how much technology advances this planet is still broken storms, sharks and microbes. Still threaten death still. Awaits. So the best way to live in this world is to remember that this world is not our home. I participated Saturday and memorial service for solo dad, mount Ozal amino, unless you're familiar with the ministry and Cuba you probably didn't know so let. But when you meet her in heaven, you'll see why she was so admired by all newer, I've made nine trips to Cuba each time, witnessing New Testament, Christianity and action. I've often called pastor Carlos Alamino the apostle Paul of Cuba. His ministry is reaching multiplied thousands of people, training, hundreds of pastors and planting scores of churches, and none of it would have been possible without his wife. So the dad died recently of cancer at the age of fifty five. She was as courageous and facing death as she had been in facing government officials, persecution and deprivation. Her secret was simple. She lived for heaven on earth. She lived glorify God to bring people cheese to love her father with all her being. And our neighbor as herself. She met physical needs to meet spiritual needs, and she knew that everyday is one day closer to paradise. Soledad made this world so much better because she knew this world is not our home today. You and I are called deprave for the victims of hurricane Florence typhoon monkhood and to give and serve in ways that will show God's presence in our compassion and we're called to work and keep this world in every way that honors God and advances his kingdom, Genesis two fifteen. But all the while we should remember that we're improving bodies that are, but tense. Second Christians, five one and a planet that will one day pass away. Revelation twenty one verse one. The good news is that we cannot measure the ternal significance of present faithfulness. Many of us have asked why God would allow Soledad Alamino to die. So young, but her daughter made a statement at her mother's funeral in Cuba. The resonates with me today. God never leaves anything incomplete. Ten thousand millennia after this world is forgotten. Eternity will only have begun. Thank you for listening to today's daily article podcast for more news to Sern differently or to receive the daily article through Email. Please visit Denison forum dot org.
As Dunes Disappear, Fiber Rolls Protect Cape Cod Homes From Coastal Erosion
"Support for this podcast and the following message. Come from the American Jewish World Service working together for more than thirty years to build a more just and equitable world. Learn more at AJ WS dot ORG up and down the eastern seaboard spring storms typically mean serious arose in and that's getting worse with rising seas on Cape Cod. Haley figure of member station. W C A I reports some beachfront homeowners are shelling out thousands for temporary fix Laura wing is showing the video of what happens at her house during a bad storm. March that they breaking one of them. She lives in a beachfront home in sandwich, Massachusetts, when they break the hit the beach house shakes wing inherited the house from her parents forty years ago, but the beaches changed a lot since then the dunes went much further out on the beach. So over all this time. It's just a road it away to what it is. Now, the water is fifty feet from her home at high tide. It's typical to have houses right on the shore on Cape Cod and storms can cause. A lot of damage the erosion isn't going to stop and wing has a costly decision to make whether to invest thirty thousand dollars in fiber rolls the most resilient method for slowing a Rozhin that Massachusetts homeowners are allowed to use. They can cost up to two thousand dollars per square foot. It's a big commitment to do them. They're huge rolls. They're made from cocoa. Nut fiber and buried in sandy slopes in front of homes to absorb wave energy and hold sand in place. They end up looking like dunes what wing decides to do with her property could affect a Rozhin on nearby public beaches. Dave condo is the director of natural resources for sandwich. And we're on a different beach in town where public and private land meets if you walk down along here. Fiber roll begins. There is where the private property begins on that end. If you want to take a look the beach next to the roles is pretty washed out. It's lost a lot of sand. That's because anytime you constructed dune like when you install fiber rolls. There's going to be more Russian where the dune ends and the beach begins sand naturally moves from beach to beach, but when people install fiber roles the roles prevent sand from drifting just see how interconnected they are. There are other options for slowing Russian one method uses barriers to break up the wave action before it hits the coastline, but it hasn't been approved by Massachusetts. Environmental regulators to conta says all of the fixes are temporary. While the nature is going to do what mother nature does because every other town on Cape cod's, dealing with it every town on the coastline of Massachusetts is dealing with it every community along the eastern seaboard and the Gulf Coast and the west coast United States, dealing with it fiber rolls are mostly being used by pry. Homeowner's right now because the high cost can be a barrier for small coastal towns. Massachusetts officials recommend fiber rules because they have a lower impact on natural habitats than other methods for slowing Rosen. But because they're biodegradable you have to reinstall the roles every five years. Seth Wilkinson is installing one of these systems at a private home in the town of Orleans. He says he's had some hard conversations with homeowners. And they're saying I don't think I can afford to live here anymore repairing this Bank or stabilize in. This Bank is will cost more than the value. My home Laura wing says she isn't going to install fiber rolls for now. And she'll probably have to sell her house. Eventually I can't cover that kind of expense by renting the house. So that that just comes out of my savings, and I retired wing says she's taking things one year at a time. And she hopes she doesn't lose her house in a storm before she decided to sell for NPR news. I'm Haley Fager in sandwich. Massachusetts. Support for this podcast and the following message. Come from K Buxbaum in support of the David Gilkey and Zaba Ulitsa mon- memorial fund established to strengthen NPR's commitment to training and protecting journalists in high risk environments.
Episode 182: Religion of Thanksgiving
"You're listening to the PODCAST DETROIT network visit. WWW DOT PODCAST DETROIT DOT com for more information the views and opinions expressed on this. This show do not necessarily represent those of the network. Its advertisers owners or sponsors. Welcome to shot of history. Welcome back to the show history. I'm Stephanie yes you you are the colored man big cow. I'm Tony and I'm Dave Dave. Just just Dave Dave Dave. I can't do that Dave Dave. I'm afraid I can't time I've heard that. Yes sir. Yes happy giving everybody Gobble Gobble. Gobble Gobble Gobble motherfucker. I'M GONNA BE WOBBLE WOBBLE and after I think I hope I'm going to be uh-huh definitely food coma thanks giving episodes and say hey I'm episode and look at me look at me. The CAL is our historian today before we get into our topic topic. Let's raise a glass as we do. Cheers everyone happy. Thanksgiving dinner Thanksgiving thanksgiving. All we're going to deal with we're going to be yeah. I don't know about everybody. Peanut Butter whiskey family suspect whiskey. It's a mixture. It's not a standalone. What do you make a drink peanut butter in it with with? Yeah okay all right interesting so this week we are going to be talking about the cultural appropriation great. Yeah by the way I'm drunk. So this is GonNa be cool. Calvin Toronto actually drunk. Yeah so we're GONNA be talking about the first thing. I thought it never giving wheel. How many years have we been on the air now? We've been doing this for almost four years years and we're has done an official Thanksgiving episode yet but it was more like recent traditions nations pathogens. Okay so I'm going to talk about the the real story as much as I can while I'm sober slightly at it all sober ish. sobre Jason Coke honest I I was the daughter of POW Hatton my wife and I on our third anniversary state at the POW resort. Where they put you in the Jefferson tweet talking the plantation and now they're also pocahontas literally means little wanting one? Interestingly enough launching horror of the of the village several terrible digging into this story. You're like Oh man. This is fucked up. She was like thirteen at the time that he was. Yeah well okay but also can we back up a second like who names her daughter. You're going to be the village anyhow. Anyone who names their daughter. Alexis Andy I am rainbow. Yeah Lucas look so I want to ask you. I want to ask questions before we get started. What were the name? What were the names of the three three ships? The three ships that brought the colonists to Jamestown Virginia alert learn math. Art Isn't the Nina the PINTON. That's one Nisa okay. Hold on okay with three shifts that brought the colonists to Jamestown were named the Susan constant the Godspeed indeed and the discovery. Now that's right all right. What's the name of the ship that brought the pilgrims to the United States? All right all right. See in the bottom. While you're drinking all right. So why did the pilgrims. Why did the pilgrims come to America to get to the other side religious freedom religious freedom? So let's just great admit they were gonNA eventually push on people that did not want that. Who who helped the the pilgrims survive the first harsh winter? The okay all right. So The Washington redskins how our power the pilgrims I our rooms referred to in American in history in American history textbooks. What what are the pilgrims referred to as the pilgrims the people with the buckles out of their hats? And she all right. So we all know the pilgrims writing enough by the way pilgrims were originally referred to as the pilgrim fathers children. The pilgrim fathers now district when we fathers we think founding fathers. Here's a fun part about this so I asked you the question about the three ships that brought the people the settlers to Jamestown for a very specific the reason because Jamestown was the first permanent settlement of the United States. Was it the first first permanent or first permanent. Xiaomi that actually made so there was wasn't there settlements prior to that but they all fell apart. James Jamestown was the one that fell apart. Roanoke roanoke colleagues lost time okay. Let's play that's okay. I saw you doing your thing over. So the reason I brought this up is in terms of American history when we think about how America started we don't think about Jamestown we think about the pilgrims oh grooms the pilgrim story. The pilgrims and the mayflower and the mayflower compact. All that landing at Cape Cod Plymouth. Rock it is our founding myth which is interesting. Yeah when you talk to most students if you say Jamestown they'll remember Jamestown vaguely the go remember that Disney movie. Oh alimentary school in Virginia like burn but you all we all knew the name of the ship. Oh you know why they came here right. You knew there called the pilgrims knew who helped them through that first harsh winter these are all sorts about. Yeah Yeah. We're getting to that great. I love those are just said that now now more than one harsh winter didn't Indians basically like keep them. Oh yeah yeah it wasn't it wasn't one so So here's the deal when it comes to the story of the first things giving the this stuff that was hammered into children. It is an American mid that I've talked about this on the pilgrim. So we've talked about. I think we didn't episode called Mid America by which is a text. I had to read when I was in college like I did not chop down the I cannot tell the line did not shut down the cherry tree. You've never happened. It was about. Hey America didn't know if this is going to take off. They needed a leader who they could trust. Here's a guy who doesn't lie. It's a false story. Never happened loved display which means he owned slaves until the day he died he died it was in his will. Will after Martha die. He had no use for them right. So that's how that works. But either way so I wanted the show that we all know the story the pilgrims because that is our founding myth we forget about really the founders coming in the Jamestown settlement. Even though it was a total Taylor we talked about the pilgrims coming so pilgrims end up in in Cape Cod. As the story goes our history books you say oh the pilgrims were heading towards for Jinya. Because that's what had been settled and they were blown away. They were blown off course fun fact. They weren't blown off course at all. They had no intention the pilgrims were only thirty. Five people out of the one hundred into people that were on the mayflower because thirty five by the way they've been kicked out of the sixty seven just people trying to make their their their fortune in the United States. So I don't know if I said there will be no mass. So they come here and and they had no intentions of being in in Virginia because Virginia was Anglican completely different. Yeah right and so. The thought was though they were coming to. They were coming to Virginia and they were going to settle in Virginia because they're already been settled but the Virginia. The the Tokens had no intentions of the because because it weren't they kicked out of like answer. Amsterdam kicked out of like the most liberal her being out of religious. Now they have a red light on us. Your freedom for this stupid buckles out here so blown blown up around. This is that put that anywhere they were blown off course. The fact is the pilgrims had no intentions of ever settling in in in Virginia. They didn't want to have anything Anglicans. And so They sailed up to the Cape Cod area until December until the sub area. They're searching for for originally his. You're saying they sailed up the coast. Did they actually stop in Virginia. Let people off and then sale north. No no they. All their stories of bribery that are included in this. And we're the pilgrims bribed the captain to bypass Virginia altogether. The up data. Right take a wait longer and we thought it was going to captain captain. I think we're going the wrong way. So the story goes they show up in the Cape Cod area. And there's this this magical Negro so to speak right and that Oh yeah absolutely so what they land in Cape Cod and there is a native American there who magically speaks English and if you look in most textbooks and a lot of what. I'm what I'm talking about. Today comes out of a great book called lies. My teacher told me by James by James Lohan. Lohan looks looks at the top fifteen his history textbooks in America and looks at the things that are omitted audible. Fantastic taxed Lindsey in the Oklahoma City. Me a little bit about lies being told mostly students will tell you being done most hotel. You or magical. Nick never mind. That was passed all right. So don't show up and there's this magical native American who speaks magically speaks English like what in the world and and most experts will tell you. No one knows how this native Americans Cuanto spoke English loss to antiquity. James Lohan is book is like fuck it was not. He got pissed off. By Five. In English Captain Stolz Cuanto from the United States along with four per knobs guts. But now I've got tribe is generally located in main building in the middle of white. I saw I want to watch right downtown. Detroit which is funny because we're rolling like native American in culture which is how the pronounced got building. Its name anyhow. So he spends quantum spends nine years in England being taught. English sounds magical go right ahead. He's in class right but he is a seized in sixteen nineteen by as Spanish Raider. So he's in. He's in England. He's stolen sanish raiders. Got Him in England okay so the plot thickens squad when he was in England. He's learning but he's also a slave right. The Spanish writer of course seizes him while he's on a ship he's having moved up. The you know the English Coast Squad do escape from slavery he He gets out of Spain because he's a slave England he's taken to Spain. He's so occasionally gets off. Spain gets back to England. hops on another ship gets is back to Cape Cod where he gave rub. Ballsy shifts original Indiana Jones. How impressive the problem is he gets? HE GETS BACK TO CAPE COD AREA CAPE COD but he gets back and unfortunately a a plague has killed his people so unfortunately or because we did it. Actuality their blankets evolves evolved. Here's a fun fact. But Columbus Kill people primarily by the sword and Dan. Obviously they did introduce Diseases does he here here. Here's the deal. When it came to this particular story there were plagues native to the United States? Killing off large source of people got United States. The native American culture was already already on the decline. He just helped further over there. And it's obviously off not all white people I did the one I hear that come back. I got upset our new swan so has been gone for years so but here. Here's an interesting thing about this. I've got a book in my backpack behind me here. Called America's providential history which is totally written from Evangelical Christian perspective and it talks about. How slavery was fortuitous for Black People now because it ultimately Bentley introduced democracy? What the Hell Your father from a certain point of view and so we're looking at this story has been told is S- Quanta was fortuitous? Because if he had been if he hadn't been enslaved he would have been among his own people who died. But that's so that's my call right. Yeah Hey we people died. I mean that's all too like who even knows what had happened if you say you can't say oh he was lucky. Well here's in your squad squad comes back. His people are dead and he's okay. He's alone though. Rate the pilgrim show up in the Cape Cod area stories. We hear about all the stories we hear about Thanksgiving is. Hey you know The pilgrim's sit down with the native Americans Americans and they share a meal and the Indian. Never seen that. If you're the the there's an old song I and Thanksgiving I don't know how long the song is but I. Thanks giving us for the Indians that we shared food with like okay. So the the native the native Americans have died but they had they had cultivated the land so when the pilgrim showed up up we have in America story of of the pilgrims team the wilderness. They got here. The Land was already tamed for them by the people who had died squad. Have things no no the to to what you're speaking of There's a podcast by an calvary. Does the ruins. Everything has to ask all factually. Yeah and they talk talk about this like humans. Just existing have an impact on the earth and like when all like all these Europeans come over. And they're like. Oh we were told there was like Ravenous Evans Wilderness. Here and it's like no no. There's people here already making the land. Tiny flag put it in the ground. Ground say T- name of Mars. Yes thank you for that throwback. So so they show up up the pilgrims show up. The land is cultivated but all the people have died squad does pretty much alone and magically speaks English English so this guy really helps helps the pilgrims through a couple of withdrawing. I mean he's been. He's essentially. Tom Hanks on a deserted heard island is interesting. That comes out of the so some archetypes that are that are associated with Thanksgiving because of it. Oh we showed up here and and God is on our side because the native American Indians are dead so the land is ours. Precursor benefits destiny. Okay okay so we get into Indian removal act later on in American history. This is all starting right here okay. So God's on our side how fortuitous that that all these people are dead in the land is already culpable breeze teeth. She's archetype also white people WANNA one. There's a lot of dead bodies and yet you decide to stay sort of like when you're in one thousand house says get out and you you go in and several times it keeps coming back through. Open good good. That's not a load bearing anyway. So you know God is on our side. Civilization has been wrested from the Wilderness. It's another idea idea that's associated with with Thanksgiving. The pilgrim showed up and was a harsh winter. They learned how to till the land they showed up to a place to land was already tilled. Look look also order from disorder we get here savages. He's naked savages. The savages are dead. Ed they've cultivated the land for you. There fertilize Rach Right. Intelligent Gorgeous Cuanto like hey guys. is without like savages to tame like. They needed the savage as she helped them survive. But somehow we're GONNA take credit for it all and so the last girl. The archetypal associated with Thanksgiving is through hard work in good pilgrim character. That's how we arrived at what we obvious thing to like. Why are they showing up? Not Knowing how to farm they know how to farm but it's a different environment right tire. Throwing blood pudding talk again. This is again part of the American mythos in terms of hey you know pull yourself up by your bootstraps. You're good work ethic. You're good Christian ethic you'll be able to move ahead of you. So yeah. The essentially they showed up took a pre established welfare. How dare recite? He's killed everybody but the one English speaking native the American Socialist wrestled wilderness to our well like no it was already set for you order from disorder. It was already set for for you. I threw hardworking working. Good pilgrim labor. What you mean is native American Labor so native Americans are really whitewashed and the story right up for US leery there? It sounds like to let somebody else till the Land Eh. If you look in history books and every history book that talks about the for Thanksgiving it'll say they served pumpkins and Turkeys and squash and corn an and and an Indians had never seen such a feast now. Here's here's the interesting thing about this pumpkins Turkey. Squash and corn are native to North America so the pilgrims had never seen this show right. They didn't share their food with native Americans. We we actually met US but really yep the one guy nosing shoe Polish foods are indigenous never experienced. He's before a native Americans are the ones sharing their food with with would've died. And then also we call it. The first Thanksgiving and the president's giving native Americans had been had been observing a autumn harvest festivals for centuries at this point so literally the pilgrims are being welcomed into this this ceremony and so it's interesting so we have Thanksgiving dinner every year next next week. Take my wife and I we do this thing called dinner. Detroit where people can just show up at her house and every year we do our thanksgiving dry run so your squad but magical. I was reading in lies. My teacher told me and they talk about how thanks giving. Dinner is a ritual. It's an America it's tantamount to an American Erkin religion in a way right so here five things that have to do with it being religion one it constitutes the history of the acts of the founders. The supernatural yeah so when I talk about Jamestown we don't think about Jamestown founding right colony we think about you know the pilgrim's right right. That's the story we're told so the the pilgrims our our our supernatural there. It's also constituted to be true. The story that we receive is true. We gave the Indians. I don't know but it tells how the institution came into being. Thanks giving Batman begins so pilgrims begin. Aw and people in performing the ritual associated with the mid one experiences knowledge of the origin and claim ones patriarchy. archy Thanksgiving Dawson. The lasting dust. One lives the myth as a religion so every single year. Here we celebrate Thanksgiving and I'm not against celebrating Thanksgiving. It's fine you bring family together. It's taken on a more secular meaning in the years but it's still a very civil religion type deal. I'm not religious. I celebrate just by like I want a lot of food right and I'm GonNa take whether you're religious or not it is an actual enacting a civil religion. You know you're right you're right. It feels like every year founding of America based on the. Pilgrim's rather than James I. I don't but historians I feel like the cowboys and the Washington redskins should always have to play Thanksgiving America's tame versus the rescue the Patriot. Who actually that's probably better yet versus the Washington redskins until they changed their name? The ship so obviously Thanksgiving as as words change and I've talked about that I believe is words changed meanings change over over over the years but I do believe that Thanksgiving still the true story Thanksgiving is definitely lost in the mix of what we do. The true meaning of Christmas is lost rise. Pagan religion. Correct you cook all day to get drunk trip to fan fall asleep in front lines here game so the true story is actually. I think I think even more beautiful though. So you have this guy who's lost everything saying. Hey you guys are getting ready to go through a hard winter. There's plenty to enough to go around and let me help you right but that you you treated me poorly. I'm GonNa Treat you better than treated me. And it's beautiful. Yeah it teaches cabinets however what the mid itself. Yeah it's just take and take from him until they get Offered him that eventually. Another thing that we can't we can't make him out to be a savage that they want to portray leader. That's what they do right WPRO and the interesting part of the story that we don't hear this story true we can't another story we don't hear about the pilgrims and they got here. They were great for hours. They were like like robbing the ancestral lands. Because again it was all there but there were also plots of lower native Americans were buried and they are just digging up the graves and taking whatever value confirm whatever whatever value right. That's the other thing. Manifest destiny is respected so they would take whatever valuable they could find as also kind of grave robbing story do bills never associated with them as well about the precise giving is kind of interesting. You should look up the true story of this. If you've never read the book lies my teacher told me by James loewen definitely definitely check it out from new the new press You can find them at the new press dot Com Watch the South Park episode requests South Park episode which is also also historically accurate. That's that's me. I guess you hop out the plug on Calvin and you you can check me out at seven two tours dot com if you want to go on a tour of Detroit. 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Monday, September 17th, 2018 with Margo Oshry
"Good morning, millennials and good morning counselor snag warning camper. Good morning Kausar. Wow, isn't shine rise and shine. I'm so excited to have my favorite counselor on my web show. Like I Carly. I Mike Harley headcount sign Lee might favor counselors here to see what I do for a living, so I can afford to go to camp and be your favorite camper. And we have so many questions for you coming up during the show, but I won't get to them yet, but I just have to ask you a few questions. Hers scares him. Scares him, although counselor snitch counselor cinch. Am I your favorite campfire? No, come on. When what do I was going to take for? Maybe your favorite camper. We'll do favor. Camper is never the one that's knowing. It's like hides in the back and doesn't speak to you and you're like, oh, I like you for sure. But now we've been hanging out in the off season. Right. And you're on my show right. And maybe the show goes well, and you're feeling like I could be your vapor camper. Okay. Yeah, but workout. Okay. This would be major for me. You guys anyways for those of you don't know counter snitch snitch on the toast Margot autrey lethal ceased or of the scenes. Welcome to the show leagues. It'd be like, I've never heard you say my real name. I know sometimes you like right Margot, you wrote Margo in your story the other day. And I was like, who the hell's that I know I hesitated to because it's like, who is she? But she is you. She is me and it without Margot wash that we wouldn't have this niche. So that's true. We're happy to have you and her all of your different Eleusis here on the show today. Thanks, thank you for having me. It's going to be such a fun show. So many. So much news to discuss so much so many personal anecdotes to sprinkle over the stream. How do you feel until you're usually a little nervous? A little nervous, but I'm not that nervous today because like now always on it like this niche Cam, you're like, now you can see what I looked like with makeup, and then when I'm in the chair, you can like without makeup or a series regular now, basically. Yeah, yeah. And got bumped up to full time for like a day. Let's not get ahead of market share, but I'm always happy to have you meeting a hose. It really does make my job easy. It's just like I'm sitting at my table my new table with my favorite counselor and we're just talking about the day's news. Right? We actually do to this right, like on the regular. So, and we ready talks about a lot of the stories that we have for you today. So before we get into everything about my taper counselor and just, you know, shooting the shit like we always do. We are here to deliver the fast fight stories that you need to know before you wake up and take a bite out of your morning toast, are you ready for it? I'm ready. Tune done? Okay. This first story is really so important right now because the new Carrie Underwood album came out on Friday. I can't stop talking about it. We've been talking about a lot and we're going to give you all of our thoughts, but during her press tour, she revealed that she had three pass miscarriages before her current pregnancy. Carrie Underwood was pregnant with her. Second child says a new interview. She had three miscarriages over the past two years. The thirty five year old country star revealed in August that she and husband Mike Fisher are expecting a baby who will join big brother is area in April up. Sorry is AM period in April. Underwood, her Underwood. Her single. Okay. That's news is fault any bro? Underwood. Her single cry pretty the title track of her new album. She told CBS Sunday that the song speaks to a lot of things that have happened in this past year quote, here we go. Laudi twenty-seven changes, wasn't how I imagined it. I, she said, I kind of plan that 2017 seventeen was going to be the year that I work on new music, and I have a baby got pregnant, early, twenty seventeen, and it didn't work out yet. It happens. And that was the thing in the beginning. It was like, okay, God, we know this is just wasn't your timing, and that's all right. Bounce back and figure out our way through it. And we got pregnant again in the spring and it didn't work out. We got pregnant again, early twenty teen didn't work out. So at that point it was just kind of like, okay, like what's the deal? What is all of this? And throughout the whole process, you know, writing and literally after right after finding out that I would lose a BB I'd have a writing session. I'd be like, let's go, you know, I can't just sit around thinking about this, like I wanna work. I want to do this. So that makes a lot of her album. Make a lot of sense. And I was going to say that now that I knew that I listened to the out Mcgann and like I didn't get vibes of like that. Well, it makes cry Purdy makes sense. And it makes her whole confusing past year, make sense where she's like in the public eye, but we're not really like getting a to see her new yard. Makes sense because we were saying all these weird stuff is going on in like we knew something was not right, right. And now this makes sense that you came out that that makes total sense. But regarding the album, I don't know. Well, so we were talking about the album because we went to a concert on Saturday night and we should get into which we need to talk about. We should. Opened with that. We went to Mars, I'll horn concert and we are so excited just like to Steen's hitting the road. And we have a lot of time to talk about the Carrie Underwood album in the car because Uber driver missed the exit and took us forty minutes out of the way. It was just crazy. It was unlike anything I've ever seen before, like he missed the exit. Sometimes you miss the exit that happens. It's okay. But the next exit wasn't for eighteen months until eighteen miles out of the way to then come back the eighteen. When we finally found the eighteen mile exit the way that we're was telling us to go like, you couldn't make that left. So we wound up making random turn and going a little bit further. He could make you could make the left. He just didn't yet. I had a really big revenge with Uber driver and Jackie just like it was trying to make excuses for him, and I wasn't wasn't making excuses for him. Citrus freaking out. And I was being like really calm. And I was just like she was like, why are you being so calm? I was like, honestly, this kind of stuff happens to me all the time like and she was like, you know, now that I think about it anytime this has happened to me, I'm with you. Yes. She just like things like this just happened June. So she was just like, we're. Raining. So common inside I was like, I was being a backseat driver like I was like up front and I was like, making sure you made every turn. And so I I, I was like watching and making sure we made the fact that exit that we take, but it might heart is just like, this is just my life. Of course, we lead with ample time ample time, and it winds taking us an hour and forty five minutes. We get there in the middle of Maron. Mars is set and like she was amazing. I could use a little bit more illness all three songs. We, we said, we looked up the settlers and I was like, we'll probably just make you for like second wind, which is what we loved and was halfway through the set. And we're like pulling up and we hear second Wade, and we are running like we, we didn't make it, but we tried, we tried, but at least I've seen her before. So like it was a total like satin and all the songs that we missed. We've seen her perform, I think, except for the middle which we saw which we saw. And by the way I meant to say to you when she seeing my church, didn't it feel like we were at church yet because the it was telling you about that. Then he's PNC Bank arts center in holmdale, New Jersey. And it's one of my favorite venues even though it's like a little too far to be going from the city. It's just like twenty minutes too far. If we could like move it up, push it up a little bit guys. That'd be great, but it's really like an amphitheater. So it has this echo and it feels like you're in the church. Everyone losing Hala Louis. I like Alec we're at Phil song now raised onto that, for sure, he'll song and I think those kind of her vibe with the song, but I never understood that I want to go the hill song and when carlin's came on the show, he was like, I'm a big fan of hill songs music me too. He was like, you should come like everyone's welcome. Like Jews, any type of religion wherever you are just come and they feel like I would have a positive experience. Total hip are weak. Like I'm saying, she will will, you know, unless I go tomorrow, second repent for it on Wednesday, but you're supposed to be repenting these the ten days in between Russia on, I knew when people. So I, I would just not on that. Right, right. That's sitting this week. I don't know. I can't tell if I'm a big center or a small center, and I feel like as life goes on and becoming a smaller center. But I'm feeling like the sins that I'm committing might be a little bit go. I think that you're just more aware of your sins now because you're just more in tune as opposed to like when you were younger and you would make more sins, you just didn't realize. Yeah, nobody. But I feel like now like my sins way heavier on me like the small, the even though there's less of them, whereas before it's ignorance is bliss really saying you're right as grow up, just like I want to be a better person. You know what's really hard sin to stop doing talking shit about people's. Yes, honestly, to send that I'm not willing to give up just like not. They're such a big sin, like in Jubal. Yeah, like lush heraldic speaking badly, but like we would have to cancel the show there there would blush. I would ever have to open my mouth ever again. No, I know. And I try like actually, I think on the show, no, I tried out my level of chicken talking till like a minimum of like, oh, like their shirts, ugly, as opposed to like take some evil and cruel. There's a big difference. But like I'm not ready just like stopped talking about people yet. Maybe it, he'll get there at some point in my life. Well, I think they're not just talk. About people, but it's shown hard raw. So it's like bad things about people. Right. And we do the show. We talk about people, but I feel like I try to keep it unless it's someone that I just can't stand right, who can't. I stand. Right, right. Like right, but we don't better than that. Right. And if that's like the worst person I'm talking about, like I feel like they understand up there. So anyway, that's really my like resolution for the series just like work myself on the inside. Definitely talk shit. I know I can never stop completely talking shit because the like she's like, be more aware of what you're saying it's about and like feel work like when I do it to feel about the about it so that I'd do it less. Yeah, I've been starting to feel badly about things more often now. That's good. Like a more aware of things that I'm doing. The first step is acceptance admitting that you have a problem? Right? Omitting I've a problem. It's like I do like whom maybe you should have done that. Yeah. So is that what's your resolution for this for this Jewish new year? Kind of want to become a little bit more religious. That's nice. I, I wanna stop mixing milk and meat. I'm not there yet, but I'm getting really close. Okay, you'll come in. I feel like that would be a big like it would be very significant change and it wouldn't be so hard for you to do. Right, except like the whole Atkins. I can write, but you only do it in your home anyway. And like how often do you eat at home a lot? Yeah. So I feel like you do argument like wait three hours or just like, no, no, no, like I'm fine. Like having milk and meat like within the same hour, just like together seem so she's on a burger? Yeah. And you don't need it the burgers. Good without. Right. I had a steak the other night on Friday night. We went to hunt and fish club and they have one kosher steak on the menu. I know that comes in like the tin foil didn't come in the tin foil. So I asked if it was kosher and they said yes, and then tack tried it and apparently kosher, meat taste different. If your personnel ready tastes better and saltier. Sure. It depends on the me. Like I think kosher chicken is better than non-kosher chicken, but I think non-kosher steak might be better than kosher stake. I don't know because I don't. It, but anyways, delicious to me and I just I felt like that scene in the early season of girls when it was actually good when she eats meat for the first time in a while, she's like, I can feel myself getting stronger. That's how I felt like I felt myself like I got, and I was like so hungry and like almost lightheaded and I could feel myself getting stronger anyways. We went to the concert. Oh, right. Tinge in the two hours. We listened to the Carrie Underwood, Alan, the Nile whoring album. So we had a really long discussion about the Carrie Underwood album, and it's really good. You're really, really into it. I'm really, really into it. I think it's such an easy nicely and you don't have to make yourself like it like I have to do with a lot of other albums and like, yes, there are some songs that are like, why are easing this? But then there are some songs like kingdom that are such bangers. Kingdom is the most beautiful song on the album. I think it's the one other than cry pretty. That really like speaks to the hurt mindset right now, and it's just like, so beautiful and honest. And of course, like there's a choir that comes in at the end that just something about. But then there are a few songs album that are giving like Juliette Barnes Rena James vibes where it's like she's singing about boys in buses and it's like fake music, right almost. And it's giving me like vibes like this should have been for Kelsey gallery need that song southbound where the eight out like tan lines and I feel like I don't know, Carrie Underwood, like you've had a really like emotional crazy. I feel like there's somebody songs that she wrote that we're almost too personal and then put them on the album. I couldn't agree more. There's, she definitely wrote like a catalog, your favorite word of songs and like she definitely took some out and because like she just couldn't handle it, which I get, but give us like one right. And also like we don't need like I respect your privacy, but it's just there's a, there's a couple of different vibes on the. It's also giving me like Katy Perry prison vibes where it's like she's singing about, like saying, leading leading her car at the club that it's like you're thirty something and I we know you're not doing that, right? Yeah. It's like songs that were meant for cash or so getting that that presume had songs that were meant for cash up cry pretty has a couple of songs that are meant for them is that both risen, but there were a few songs that didn't that didn't fit. So I love this album that there are a few songs that just feel like filler and that someone else wrote them. And I feel like Carrie Underwood's last album called storyteller was all stories about other people like these situations. All his money could never save Jenny from the devastating in his. I totally and so hard for it to now sing about herself, especially because she can barely get an interview without crying. She has to sink cry pretty on tortous. Go on tour with this album. She can't cry every show. That's true. Yeah. Okay, fine. And I just I really love her and I know that we've had a lot of question marks about like her personal life and I'm done. I'm done talking about and I'm done speculating and I'm done insinuating that something else, deeper darker is going on because one it is and two hundred minutes totally in three, she she gave us what she gave us a little bit with the whole miscarriage thing right until like also mention. I'm someone asks her question. She starts crying, makes me sad because it wasn't that. And it's like, okay, I'm backing off right? And I'm supporting and listening to your album. And we're going to go to the concert. Of course we are. And if you will only listen to one song from the album, it better be kingdom. It's also feels it has like a Christian music by because she that's probably why we like it so much of Christian music, and it's like, speaks a lot about her face, you know, and like it's just so good. Like I was listening to the album on my way home and like I wasn't paying attention because it's an easy listen, like you really don't need to like pay attention to like it, and I was up to minute to. And admit it to an eight seconds. This choir comes in and I was like shocked back into the news. I was like, what am I listening to? And then I saw, and then I went back to like religion. I was like, holy shit. This is amazing and text, Jackie. I was like, you have to listen to kingdom and you have to make sure to get up to minute to eight seconds. I thought you were telling me that 'cause she says a lyric elaborate. That's like telling right, but then months you heard you would. No, no, it was. It was very, very beautiful. So then we experienced the concert. Oh yes, we did the experience it, which was really fun. We had such a fun funny time. We were just laughing and like it was a fun concerts. I feel like sometimes when I go to concerts, it's like every song is important to me and I need to be like present represent, but like, you know, I don't know all of his songs so I was sitting a little bit. I was just enjoying bright there, and it was really thought we had such a fun time fun time. The wonder action fans are so freaking crazy. Right? And it's like Nile is kind of like the runt of the litter, no way. Then we Luo Tong's. Right? You're right. I would say goes Harry Zane even though I hate him Lyle. Liam Louis. Okay. I think Nile and leeann like Senator into manageable yet that you could flip them a little bit, but he was so talented and he really like he was so funny because all these girls are obviously there for him to play like drag me down, but he really thinks of itself is like like rock and roll. You know. Like he was singing your Spacey and then like you could tell that's when he was like really flourishing Moodley. And we were like dykes. Like. And we were at a rock and roll show. Oh my God. Nobody was so cute. And when he say, drag me down, like I lost my mind, but also and I said to Jackie because me and cloudy who has the Harry styles concert and we were indoors. So like the screams were just elevated to a point that it made the concert unbearably air unbearable and not fun. Like I just I couldn't even hear my own thoughts and everyone around me was just like crying and had Harry styles as their phone background, and it's like, I'm a huge, Harry style. STAN. Don't get me wrong, but like I'm not crazy. And it's like I was getting that vibe to, but because we were outside, it wasn't nearly as bad, but it's still really because it was an aisle, but it was it was piercing and the security guards were wearing. Those headphones set. Please manage airplanes where I go to babies babies and also like airplanes are so loud. You have to wear those headphones. And it reminded me when I watched that Jonas brothers concert DVD when the security guards are talking about like the piercing loud screens that they can't that they've never heard levels before, like like at least glad that these. Kids are passionate about something when it's something good. That's true. And also like it just a little weird to me. I know that I'm a huge wonder action van like very big. But I've gone to like Harry's solo tour and Nile solo, torn Allen like that's a little creepy. But have you ever been to a wonder action concert? No, I really want. Oh, well, I mean, I'm going to go back when they when they come back together and they go on tour like I will pay literally every dollar of my savings that I haven't started saving for an I'm going, I'll be wearing earplugs because the screams will be insane. But I'm going like I'm going actually got a DM, but I don't know if it's true because like everyone lies that someone's friend like works in a studio and like they've been in the studio for the past couple of months, but I don't know what it's got pictures of that. I feel like. Slab Easter getting better and better at hiding, maybe or maybe like they're, they have deals with the paparazzi that like went, we'll give it to you what time when it's time? I don't know, man, I don't that day comes just talk to me and what I realized two things in life. One like people who like pay like it's so easy to get free concert tickets like that. I every time I pay for cancer. Now I feel like a sucker, but I will pay any amount of money to go to like the concert that I want to go to concerts are when I'm my happiest. Like I always like when I'm like, just so happy in the moment like, right, don't want it to end. So I would also leave camp at a price on that feeling. And then my third thing is now my what I want to start doing. He's getting merch from every concert that I go to even if it's just like a little hotter, a keychain just to remember that I was there because we were talking in the car. We've been to so many concerts and you forget, and so like because they are my happiest moments. Like I want to remember. I wanna have like a elite, maybe just a keychain from every show like and just collect them just heavily to memory, but that keeps you one hundred dollars. So. Right? And we bought big sweatshirts. We didn't even on Twitter. I did wear it all day yesterday. It's actually pretty cute, right? And we, I saw councillors niche wearing jeans shorts and the Nile horns. So I've got in the Nile horned sweatshirt. It happened. That was a mouthful. He has a hard name Nile four in the Nile. Horan's liquor fucker tour. Flicker fucker tour. That was so funny. Then weight, of course, the treasury never ends the, oh, actually. We leave in the middle that middle of the second to last song and we get an Uber and it was so seamless. Usually getting a new grad venue was really hard. So we get in our Mercedes, Uber x by the way, and it's so easy for us and we should have known, we should have known. It was going to be too easy to easy. Actually thought we get into the city draw to down to true drop offs mazing go home, go to sleep. Enjoy my day on Sunday. Then I get a call from a shaky voice. Let me so I did not move yesterday. Like did not move so Niger, she spoke all six PM and I wanted to go to Wayne read like I wanted something to drink, and I'm like, looking at my backpack from the concert. My wallet is just not there, and it's just so weird because the night before, like I was lying in bed before I went to sleep after the concert. I was like, you should check to make sure you have all your stuff. I was like, no, like pick give her like you have all your stuff like there's no reason you wouldn't go to sleep, but, and so I look in my by like good thing that you didn't because my pit I wouldn't have gone sleep. No, we wouldn't have been able to reach him. He would have had to wait yet. So God that's God anyway. So it's not there. My wallet and I, I was thinking I was like, I knew I knew that I had it like sometimes like you're like, I don't know. I'm like, no, no, no, I know that I did, and I'm just thinking like when was my bag open, I paid for this paid for that, but I knew I put it back. And then I'm like, when we were in the were home, Jackie took charging box out of my backpack and like a must've fallen out. Not that that really ever happens. But like that's just what I thought. Yeah. So I called Jackie with my shaky voice, Jackie. When you didn't charge that tees. My wallet, my biggest fear is losing my while. We're replacing that stuff is so hard to come by Essex. I don't have an ID, so we'll have to go to the passport office getting not only do that. So many times already done it twice. Like I just I, the pit was just John. All right. And I realized I was, I was I did take my charger out of your bag. And luckily like you use, I gave you a little Fendi wallet, and I remember thinking like this while it was so cute. Wow. I'm such a nice sister for giving it to her and I took my torture. So I was like, yes, the wallet was in your bag when I took the charger and it was definitely entangled. So if you lost, it's in the car, right? So I get in touch with the driver Vietnam for which by the way we talk a lot of shit about birth, but they have a very good way of connecting you for your loss. I couldn't disagree more every time I've ever lost anything. Taking me four ever to get in contact with them. We just only league or he had like, even while he was driving had like an ipad split-screen situation, like looking at all different maps, like he was just really in tune. So I gave the law stupor form my number. He calls me immediately and I was like to you. Wallet in the car, and he was like, let me pull over. He was like, wow, yeah, I literally people just got out of the parties. I've been driving all day and like no one stole it. So he had the wallet, but then the problem was he was a New Jersey driver. He picked us up in holmdale. He was down the shore, like he's not a city or so. He was like, when I come to the city, I will drop it off and enemies. Long story short, you getting a trip to the city last night and we got the five minutes later after that. And he's like, oh, I got a call at a hundred fifteenth street, and I was like, oh my God, like God so much her wallet and like I just it was also closed book. It was a very treacherous experience, but you know what? You got a lot of fun and everything worked out, right? So like if I hadn't gotten my wallet, it wouldn't be saying that it was worth it. But for my life, I never like get all the fun with none of the Trach. Like I was even thinking back like some other past experiences where it's just like always happening. I just remembered. I'm going into the lady on antebellum concert at Jones beach, and I was so excited. Rented a convertible like literally couldn't wait to hit the road Jones beach July. Like we're going to drive their top down and it rained. The whole time, like, yeah, it's just my obviously so fun in the rain, right? But like you weren't eating in a lethal car with like, yeah, it was so so small as four car, like it's just tired. Yeah, anyway, so I just. That's where it's happening. Oh, and we got the wallet back. So thank you. Ally from Uber you are. Joe was so nice. I mean, I did pay him, but right, whatever. Okay. Next story, something we've been avoiding talking about, but you know, the world is a buzz and these are people who are in your category of eleven. I actually really enjoy right worlwide wedding. Justin Bieber secretly marries Hayley, Baldwin two months after proposal, say sources, okay. This is a little bit of fake news, but a little bit of real news because Justin Bieber have secretly tied the knot just two months after getting engaged. The singer on the model were married Thursday in New York City. People confirms went ahead and did it without listening to anyone. A religious source spoke to the family and confirmed to people that they were legally married at the courthouse, but are going to have a religious ceremony and celebration with family and friends. Soon, they're going to have a big blow out in front of God and everyone. They loved. The religious source tells people, but just source things just so weird to me like what's the difference between a religious source on a regular source? I do not know, but Haley Baldwin tweeted and put it on her into story. She goes, I understand the speculation, but I did not get. Married today, but did they go down to did they get the minute married at the courthouse? Like did they get their like their lightning? Right? But why would she have said that? Like I understand why you say that, but I'm not issue like got a marriage license like it'd be like, you know, isn't the marriage license public record? Like shouldn't this just be an easy case to solve? I feel like they got their marriage license which by the way you do before your wedding, right? But no one's like who they got married, and then you get like you have your wedding and and to them, they're more like religious people than they are. I would say, law abiding. So I feel like for them, they don't feel married until it's like in the eyes of God that could be. But I wouldn't say they went to the courthouse and got hitched. No, it's definitely misleading, but. Also, technically if they did get their marriage license, they are married, which I'm really happy to see because I feel like all of these engagements never actually responded. Yeah. And like I said, when all of this was coming out, like just young people really like being crazy and getting married, like too nice example to set totally. I actually really, really liked them except he looks crazy, but I'm willing to pass it. And I definitely think there's a little bit of weirdness going on like between their whole thing, stick whatever. But I really liked him, so I just don't. And it's a level of weirdness that you just have to accept in the celebrity world. They'll never just like be normal, like even get married and not miss with nothing. No strings attached white picket fence dog one, two children. One boy, one girl, right. Well, honestly, Haley Baldwin, like I didn't even know that Haley Belden, but she like has like remember how g g did like g g Tommy fashion show she has the data's today cool in London and like is Justin going to be there? I don't know. I think it's really cool and I'm happy for her and I really liked her and everyone for some reason hater and I love her. She's so gorgeous like the youthful and just perfect and like she's finally getting when she wanted. She wanted Justin Bieber like for Edberg good for her. And he's like the weirder looking. He gets. The prettier she gets. It's like she's sucking the beauty out of him. Good. So he stays no end. She's been looking amazing her. Whoever her stylist is like. She's just been like looking, super cute, really appropriate like they just like go down and get ice cream that the seaport a lot to like walking around. But she like is wearing like normal person close, but I've been copying her style like she's been loving to wear the big sweatshirts and like sneakers. So when I was in class, the other day ordered like three big sweatshirts from boo, like pink, pink sweatshirt, girl and like just such things I'm going to wear it like as it was sneakers because Haley Belgian did it. That's really cute. I tried that was kind of like my vibe for camp toasts. And then when I realized I have really fucking ugly, these. And when that's the only piece of skin you're seeing, like I, I just like it's not good representation of the rest of my body. So I need like over the knee boots with address it becoming today's definitely niece season, but like the rest of my outfit has style. So you're little in. I mean, I don't even know anything about my knees. So maybe once I start. This, I'll realize I always knew I had bad bad knees like I don't even want to like it's just not good like this. But now like the only thing is I have to shave my legs and like it's just something I don't like to do. Yeah, I hate JV my legs and it's like, you do it all the time once he starts counts, no, God, it's so how are getting whacked isn't even a good viable option because it's like it doesn't work. I don't know. I got. I disagree. I get like waxes often because I hate, I hate shave my legs. They say smooth for a month really because I gotta like box like a year ago and it like if felt like my hair's were like ripped, but they weren't ripped from the root. We'll maybe she didn't get a good one. I know. But I went to the person that like waxes everything else for me. It's different. Like for my legs, I went to like the girl who does my manicure, like their ruthless there and like it doesn't even really hurt them much and it stays like one month and it's great. I would, but I wouldn't let them do anywhere else because they're scary, but it rights right? I used to get like my arms waxed at like nail salons. I don't know why. They were really smooth for a day that was fun day, and then they got like prickly strangeness. Anyways. Once again, happy for Justin Bieber and Halley, Baldwin happy that we haven't been talking about them a lot and happy to continue to report on. What? What is that? There's a speak. Do you guys hear that. Sound like a fire drill? What are saying? Actually four. The fire alarm is air fire. That would be so crazy. Anything. It'd be drill. Imagine this show is over, okay, we're checking on it, but like I'm I got that gave me such a pit like literally one of my biggest fears is dying in a fire. I think about it all the time. I don't know why. I don't know why, but I always just like I have this. I haven't escape route it to skate routes planned in my head for my apartment of if there was a fire like where and how I would get out like I don't live that high up. So if I had to jump out the window, like I think I would make it right, but I got a big ASO. Maybe I would just like land on my. But right now, do you guys here that they definitely hear it? Oh, the hear a beep. Yes. You guys? Yeah, we're sounds like a piano that is true. It's not a fire alarm because it would be and they would be like, get the fuck out. This is the fire marshal speaking, and I feel like it would be drill, but like don't they know the most prestigious more alive if they know my fucking counselors here. Do you think this this is going to make me favor camper. God, I have such a pay to like studying now. It's like, and we only cover two fifths of the story. Like we can't end the show here like you guys aren't informed yet, right? There's fires room building. Okay. They're gonna make a quick announcement. There's fire drill in the building, but we can say, we got this is like. Bombs, I can't let it with for and can't believe this hasn't happened yet on the tocine. Like never happened before in the past because like corporate offices have fire drills, it's I do. Yeah. A lot know end, no one gets up a used, sunny stocking, love, fight tension. This is your home by. Whereabouts burnt toast. Thia drill. Please. Bye. Please. To the name. I. For the shock. You're welcome. Really slow that was released so long, really painful. I hope you all heard this is a fire show from the person second floor except for the morning toast and it's only Israel's so we will not be burned. Toast is only said, So Chris, I didn't know that was like your biggest fear. He had something, oddly think about a lot. It's because like I live with Libya, but she's often not there until like I just think about like ways that I could just like Gye in the apartment. And no one would know, right. But except I guess if there was a fire people would know, and maybe it's because you're doesn't have a window that like like, right. So I'd have to like really get somewhere. Yeah, I think I think about it often. We should also think about that when you move like you should move to a low floor and like you might feel safer, truly nose up at like, I think I'm gonna just like die in fire, like there's a smoke alarm, like if something happened, like, you know, go off in like, yeah, whatever. But it's just something that just something that that keeps me up at night among crazy. Like I'm always worried about leaving my iron on. You know that that keeps me up me to, and I don't even use an iron, right? But it took like in apartment buildings of the level. Trust that you have with your neighbors that like they're not going to leave their irons on and they're not going to like, burn down the building. Nobody. I'm so psychotic. Like I know like I'm very like cautious about things come so crazy. Like I know that I like shut my door fully like you do have to like juice like, I know that and I do it just like automats to have it like sometimes I just think that I didn't. So I literally call my doorman. I'm like, hey, can you just go check to make sure my doors shut and like it always is, but it's like, I just need them to relieve me of my pit right till also the next apartment like you should have a door slams behind you like mine. I'd never even think about that yet. I would if I didn't. Right. So now you know, I'm just nuts. Yeah. I mean, we're all I take pictures of my iron like that when I'm out and I think to myself, like tend to be my iron on. I can just look at my picture and like, because even if I know that I didn't like I will convince myself that I did. Like when we were in the hand, I will convince my believer in the him to run the Hamptons out to dinner and I didn't wear. I wore my hair like this, like not even styled and I convince myself that I left my I or not. And it was even worse because we were like interventional house and THEO is in the house. And I was like, oh. My God so much at stake. So that's why like and we could not enjoy dinner because the whole time I thought I left my iron. No, I gave myself like pits for absolutely. No reason. That's why when the whole Wild Thing happened the night before I was like, shut up Margot like you just do this to yourself. Right. Really there was some there there, right? And I asked the toaster serve recommendation on irons at turnoff medically, and I never even bought one because on the piece of shit. Well, Libya always keeps her plugged in in our apartment. And like I honestly, I don't care, but she said, and I trust her because she smarts it. Like if you just shut the light off in the bathroom, like if the electricity is off then the iron shutoff right the you need that you need to to see, oh, but I still unplug it after she ever does, but I always do before I leave because I'm just like, you know what? Not today, not today, Satan. Okay. Next story. Super cute. Sarah Hyland and wells, Adam celebrate their one year anniversary. So Sarah highlands puts it a picture of her and wells with actually really keep caption one year ago today you ask to hold my, you ask to hold my purse when I was dancing in that moment, you took my heart. You then gave me my last first kiss and. In that moment, you took my breath away. I love you to Pluto, and back wells atoms. Yes. Pluto is a planet. It always will be. That's funny. They're cute. And that's a really cute story. Like I know they met through mutual friends, like Britney, Cyrus his birthday party. I'm pretty sure like Halloween except it's not Halloween yet. What's today? They met in September though. We're remember they went public when they were driving things, so that is Halloween, right? And I know what their Halloween customers this year. How does he told us when he came on the show? Because we were like remarking on how their Cussing was so cute and he was already knew so far events? Yeah, I, I mean, I feel like after Halloween ideas for next year or the cousin gentleman and do for the l. tell you after, but I want to write it down on a piece of paper will leave it here. And then after they come out with their custom, we can show you that like we right, but I would not be the one to spoil someone's Halloween costume. And also if we do then they won't do it. And then we look like liars and like also the, they'll, they'll never tell you anything you'll get away with sound again. I want them to know that we are trustworthy, right? Yes. We like come on your. We still e, but like if you tell us not to say something we won't take it right. And it's like. A Halloween costume. What are you going to be for Halloween. I have no idea jail every year. Lenny that costs you ever gets old? I wanna wear it all the time. I don't know. Maybe something like greatest showman, but like I did that for birthday. So like nobody you not address like it, but like maybe I've maxed out that whole theme and also Halloween is tricky this year because it's it's like July fourth, it's on a Wednesday. Do we celebrate the weekend before the weekend before I did wrong to celebrate Halloween, Halloween, November. I completely great. We're celebrating the weekend before, so I'm actually going to be in Austin for Halloween, which is actually going to why. Because I have a wedding there which is going to be really late because like what set street called like the six or something street. It's really crazy. It's like Nashville but even crazier and but I just won't get to be with my sister so we don't. We can't trust up together. It's actually not one plan for Halloween who wants to invite me to a party. That'd be great. Yeah. Your fun gal at a party? Yeah, coordinate with Zach. We had some cute ideas from last year still that we didn't do like I really wanted to be like Annie and daddy warbucks, but then like I have to look ugly. That's the word when it's creative costume, but like it warrants, you not looking your best. So is it really that great like everyone like looks like sexy and Halloween be wearing like a red dress and tap shoes and like red curly hair like. Yeah. Like I'm like, you have to use your real hair. Go like banana. Girls only got I would die when we when I did those French rates at Cantos I took them out and it was like, yeah, they've been worse like you need to be even tighter like this, right? So I don't know if I want to do that to myself. You have another a few others in mind, and then I have a solo mission. I want to do myself, but I would not be looking hot like it's not hot. Do I know it? I, I guess I could tell. I probably won't do it Mason Ramsey nobody. I to me with a little blond and the I would look like a little boy that sound fun going out looking like, not cute is not fun. Anyways, wells and Sarah, and I really shows a story like one because I thought the caption was cute and like he held her purse and like good for him making a move on Sarah island, like the highest that's such. And that was just on the highest paid show on TV. But to your big, bachelor fan. I mean, I'm gonna be actually talk. I wouldn't say fan. I this point you watch everything caught. He doesn't need much anymore because like I understand why. But. But I wanna get your pulse on what's going on in the batch of world Colton season. I'm pretty sure it's kicked off your show. They start building October, I saw. Yeah. So they pushed it back? I think maybe usually they start in September. I don't know. But then why wasn't he like with all the other batch of people at that charity event this past weekend? I don't know if I don't think he can do shit like that right now. That's true. Like maybe you would meet a girl donors. I mean, even if he did, he would have paid tension because he's so thirsty. So as right now, you're not going on Colton season. I'm not going on Colton seasons. I appreciate everybody really pulling and gunning for me to go on like I get it, but like no one really cared that much like apply me, you know, right. But if you had probably kill you because like I would be so freaking scared like it just I'm just not. I'm just not ready for that just yet maybe electric couple of years. If there's I'm sure another another Katie will come around. And if I'm still single, which hopefully I'm not, then I'll go. Okay. But it's just like, it's just so scary. Like girls are so scary without my phone is so scary. Like having like a critical of my sister's, like I just can't. Handle it. It would be a lot for you mentally, but it's also like a really good like get rich and famous quick scheme if done. Right, totally. But then like some asshole would like pull a clip from like this show when we're talking about like me going on and it's like sunny for the right bees. Yeah, I actually then they'll talk about the morning to us on ABC not a bad idea. Actually, they would be like some podcast expects me just like a show it's morning show. Okay, fair. To some of the couples from bachelor in paradise are out here like living their lives. Some are living their worst. Jordan, Jenna Jordan was in Toronto the whole time in no new? No, because he was like in the corner on his phone saw, but I'm saying really like it'll tag him. I really feel for him. I want him to find a nice garlic, and I feel like he's so so heartbroken. And like right now I feel like he's like down in Florida, like lifting weights with tears in his eyes. That's what he's doing right now. Hopefully, I feel really bad for him also because when me and cloudy like met him in, like went out with him, like I didn't know that he was engaged, but based on the way he was acting, I was like, he's totally engaged. He was just like sitting like in the corner, everyone's being all those girls were like being so thirsty and thought he was not having it. He got up and walked away, and I was like, I respect you and you're totally engage. And now just to know that like for him, I really do think it was real. It was. So he said so many times getting engage once like at, I think he was so real. I know he was so real about it. I know it. Yeah, she's such a bitch, just she's a cold hearted. She's a con artist, a true. Con artists, which is so crazy anyways, in happier news, Astrum and Kevin are out here just being so damn of. I love him so much. I live for this chats like I don't. I don't listen to anyone stories with sound on, but I turn it on either one of them even if it's just like the noise in the background. I wanna hear it right also I turn it on the Kevin's does a lot of like Instagram story ads, and I'm like, well, first of all, that's actually this product sounds great. Like how can I get a discounted Sephora and to like, keep flips Asher until like I'm watching it. All right. But have you noticed that that one ad every single bachelor person has done in the same day relay drop? I don't watch. I really don't watch a lot of stories, especially not with volume. No, it's they write it. And I've just been seeing like literally everywhere I think because I just followed Kevin, his stories come up for me like usually if I thought someone like a month ago, like Instagram knows whether or not I wanna watch right organs, fair. And anyways, I'm just like a loving them. I love them so much Michio. I really hope they get engaged and they were hanging out with raven atom and it's just like a bunch. A normal folks, right? Totally. It's data like they appreciate what they have, like what they got from the bachelor, but like they're not Thurs monsters, and it's just so nice like they can just turn off and go back to real life as opposed to like China, like work it all the time, but they can also appreciate the opportunities that this has brought them. They can milk it for all it's worth so that they can be set up for life totally. But they're not like that thirsty out like some people. It's like they're so happy. They got this ad and they're just not like they're happy, but they just don't show it. No, I totally agree. Okay. Next story. Now into some more newsy news, a swimmer is dead after a shark attack on Cape Cod. This story story's really crazy, and really sad swimmer has died after being bitten by a shark in the waters of Wellesley, Massachusetts, in what's appears to be the seats first fetal shark attack in more than eighty years. The attack occurred on Saturday near new comb. Hollow beach on Cape Cod, wealthy police Lieutenant, Michael Hurley told the EP that the victim was a man in his mid twenties, but his identity has not been discovered, Massachusetts, last shark attack was feed. A fatality was ninety. Thirty six according to a report by NPR member station w. b. u. r. the Cape Cod district attorney's office in the Massachusetts state police are both investigating Harley said, I think now the person has been identified and this is an old story and it's not updated. But damn that said so many people go to Cape Cod, swimming beach. And now knowing that they are shark-infested waters. So one of my biggest fears is Ryan by shark, like truly whenever I'm watching a movie and someone's in the water, like even if it could be a comedy, unlike other gonna die like a shark is gonna shark bite them, like it's so scary. I'll never go that even to the ocean, like it's for writing Jehovah. Scary. That must be when it's happening. Yes. You always like no before, like ten seconds before that there's a shark swarming the second on my God. I can't. That makes me so sad. I leave it to first one since nineteen. Thirty six, which is really crazy. That just means it was like just like unavoidable like they, no right? Like there's no shark warnings and the shark just like he might have gotten lost. Right. And now it's like, you know, those. There's like that saying, you have less of a chance of dying from shark thing that like something else, like how like never happens. But like you know what? That just dispels all that for me even if it doesn't ever happen because it's just so freaking scary. It's so freaking scary and by shark, like I just can't. And you know what I was thinking about. There's really like no body of water that you can swim in without like some sort of anxiety. Because like in a pool, it's like dirty, chlorine, p like it's just not. No. I mean, when I graduate, I'm never scared there. No, no, not here, but it's like it's not purely enjoyable because it's just like it's chemicals and it's and it's not clean. And then like you go into the ocean, it's like either jelly fish or shark like you always have to like you're always just worried. And then like a lake is like Brown and dirty and gross. You can't ever just enjoy I. Yeah, I couldn't agree more except I have to pull some nice lakes are there. Yeah. I mean. Because like you took swatter like that didn't scare me ever, but like that's the ocean that's workshop could be right, but it's so clear that you'll see it coming. So even worse now you stop, I'm getting plate now asking and water a shark, but would you do in that situation? I think I would just like just like, oh, and I would go limp. I would say my prayers and I would just hope that he bit me in a place that it was. Painless just die instantly that I'm not like suffering and bleeding out my God like that is just that it's so sad and so scary. It makes me just so sad a movie, like fully discard me about sharks forever. Of course I do. I don't know what it's closer for. Yes, and like I know supposed to be inspiring ethnic. Yeah, it was supposed to be inspiring which it was, but it still menaul made me just always think about sharks in the what was weird about that movie. And I don't know if I, if this is what happened that I go to school atmosphere, rob and she was in my class last semester and you didn't make a friendship shielding. Get our other ways. She didn't come to class meet semester started end of January. She didn't come to class until April out of turn to a girl. Is that like at you like, yes, she to like one class once and never come back until today. So why can't you do that then and be at your job? Really, oh my God. Like, what did she say? Like? I just don't get it. You never came and also like that class, they took attendance every single day. There was so many Simon. Chin even come for like the tests like the mid term. But you came to the final, the whole thing made no sense. I was really tracking her movements like, why can't eyesight say that? Like I had missing a lot of class for Claudius tour. Like when I go with her, I like had a pit the entire rethinking about the fact that it had to tell like my teachers and not even my teachers, my TA's that I'd be missing recitation. And I said to Mike high, like I worked for a comedian, blah, blah, blah. It's like make it sound so legit and like, yeah, like they like didn't care, but they weren't like that nice about it. Like there's still stuff I have to make up for it, but so many famous people go to NYU. I know I'm gonna famous twins, would they? I mean, they actually they, they went because they weren't working out. Like Dylan's rouse was the president of the dorm that I lived in my freshman year office and not at the same time, but like they were really, really involved. And I think they went to everything because they weren't working. I understand, wait someone or at the funniest haven't. They were like, you're gonna kick yourself any Zayed attack, like on the show all we're talking about is this stuff at like that scares us today? Yeah. So this is this is the episode about anxiety about your biggest fears. Also. Do you watch any of those movies like the Meg, this shallow, and I know you love lake lively. Okay. Watch her to watch this because I love Blake, lively. Also in age shaped right. Our I was like, holy shit. Okay. Not worth it like I was watching it and like I really don't like that scare that often. I mean, I do clearly, but like from movies because it's usually unrealistic, but like I was jumping off of my bed just like running in place freaking out like I couldn't watch it. I kept like, I think most of the movie I didn't even watch because it was just like I was just like that the whole time, but, oh my God, like it was frightening. It was literally two hours of her on Iraq trying to escape the shark on. It's like, I can do that for ten minutes. Not when it's when it's like just the climax of movie. No, no, no, the whole movie. She's on this rock and the shark keeps just like circling and like, oh my God. It was so scary. But no, I would never see the MAG. I only watched that movie because Blake not because I liked rice whatsoever. Blakenham eating soup, but. Yeah. Okay. Fifth, and final story really cleaning. I didn't know this was happening, but space x is to name the first space tourist Yuan muffed space exploration company. SpaceX is about to send its first private citizen into space. The identity of the passenger who will be the first to hitch right on space x, big falcon rocket for trip around the moon will be revealed on Monday in a live stream. The company said that's today alive. Livestream. Do you think it's on the morning to us? It's me. I'm a date for the launch has not been announced nor has the cost of the flight that is just so crazy. Like a private citizen, a person just like you and me is going into space like one, why? What are their qualifications? Like why them? Why? Now why the sperm and I heard rumors that a to you it is going to confirm or deny, I can convert them, just kidding. I can deny. You just wanted a little space. I don't have twenty twenty vision. Do you need? Twenty twenty vision. I know astronauts needed twenty twenty mainly. He changed the game. Yeah, that's like it obey or because most people don't have twenty everyone. I know. Whereas goss- context, except for me, maybe they changed that moves back in the day. Maybe I should be an astronaut. Jay twenty twenty vision. I, I mean, I've never needed even a smidge of glasses wake up and you can just see it's so crazy. 'cause this morning, my glasses and waking up that's hard might the, my glasses fell off my bed until like I was like with my flashlight, trying to find them. I can't even tell you how sat like thought anytime there glasses on the floor like that. It's just the saddest thing was like they just knocked off and like I just couldn't find them know that whole concept like not like it's just so far into the whole concept of waking up in having site is so far into that is so crazy. And don't you. You said you want Lasix surgery yet, like I ain't gonna wait, are you getting your life? I'm going to get it one hundred percent. I think it's literally life changing just like not yet. Like I'm just not in the mood to do that, and you should wait till your eyes get as as as they're gonna get. Yeah, they're pretty bad, but Kazakh has Leask I know. Once like I think maybe it was like two years ago. I was like, I really want Lazic and I made a reminder in my phone for like February twenty eighteen being like, you want lace. If you're twenty. First birthday, because I remember you said that. So I got the notification this February, and I was like, bitch it like I do, but like red twenty first birthday. Right. So in time it was his fiftieth birthday. What's that from. Snitch is you're so young and cute clueless. Oh, I mean, I saw that a bunch of times. Right, but it didn't like it didn't out to you. I understand what was. I'm so glad that's ACA lay sick because I can't lie like you guys in your contacts your crusty ass context laying around the sink. Like I can't deny Shenton. I went to accept it would be cute to like seize Akron glasses, but maybe I'll just get him some peaks some places, some flashes Lassus. What I was going to say. One more thing about doing your lease and you're twenty. Oh, you see that me about that girl who set a calendar reminder, like for a wedding, and she was trying to figure out who's wedding. It was like she couldn't figure it out. And then she is like it was her. She set the reminder for yourself like that was when she wanted to be married that sad, what she? No, really funny. Okay. Now we're going to take some questions for you like spicing in some personal questions for me and. Questions from the toasters. So counter snitch counselor cinch and my favorite camper yet. You're getting them getting there. Okay. Jenny offset wants to know counselor cinch. And might your favorite toaster who's your favorite? I know without her, but who is your favorite toaster? You can rattle off a few names. And you met some great ones that does. I really do love the classics, like Lauren Heaney, realize doll as watching may Brown yet. Yeah, alley we, we didn't. I never even. Got your pulse. How was your experience? I came to it was crazily. I only alley. It was crazy like it was just wild. I like it. I just couldn't believe it was so weird that we were at camp like our camp, and then it was just like that we were drinking and like I've never seen people so much in my whole life. I just didn't like I thought I drink a lot and like just I don't apparently. But no, and it was so fun and it was just like, so crazy to see like what you guys did. I'm like, we're going to do it again. I'm, we're gonna. Are you excited? I am excited for it to be nice out because the rain was really killing my right eye ruined so many nice sneakers on my head. Same try new workout sneakers. I love my APL's like are like thirty now, but apparently can just throw them in the law show my all birds. You can throw in the wash, but like I have yet to do it. You know? Because I'm scared I'm because like I don't wear them aside from camp toast and it's been awhile since we took your pulse on your new position here. This niche term this Mitch, Cam, the intern snitch. How is it going? Be honest. What are your thoughts on your job? Oh, I mean, it's great. Like is it a dream job? It's a dream job aside that like I do have to wake up very early and like it's just it's been quite the turnaround for me because since I got home from Israel, I started working for the host. And so I've been waking up at eight every single day because the days now that I don't work for the toast, I have a nine thirty class, which is why don't work for the Tokyo. I'm waking up every day at eight. And if you know me that just like not my thing like the earliest. Class had ever taken is eleven. Like I like my sleep now. I'm up every day at eight, and it's just like, I've just been appreciating my bed so much. I used to think, oh, wow, I love sleep and like I love rest, but now I get into bed. I'm like, holy shit. This is incredible. And now it's but it's kind of works in the opposite way. I literally never leave my bed. Alec I can tell you the last time I went out just because like just not worth it when I can just lay in my bed. Do you know what I mean? I totally totally agree. And like waking up everyday. Like really makes you appreciate like the weekends now is sleep so late on the weekends. God, I sleep 'til one when I like I saw some of ours Friday and Saturday night. Right and African toasts, like I slept like on Rosh Hashanah legit, slept thirteen hours. It was incredible. Yeah, me too. I think is up twelve the. Yeah, like it's just it's just game changing, but now I'm glad that I'm doing it because now I'm training my body to be able to wake up at eight and you're being so productive because you're a student, you have a job, like I'm mortgage people by the way I've nev-. I keep thinking about that. Like I never been so busy in my life. Like I always. I've got a freaking plan or guys. I've got a plan because I have so many dates that I have to keep track of like with like this stuff and then also with Claudius tour and then with school and like due dates and this like everything obviously falls into one another on his couldn't keep track. So I got a planner because I was doing it in my calendar on my phone, that's not conducive and it's not good enough. So I brought it with me and I'm going to do during my class today because you could do it when you come over after at my tape, I've been taking it for like when I'm in class, it'll make a lotta time go by. Got it. Well, okay, that's very also have a couple of other housekeeping stuff. If you want to help with. If you're looking for things to do during class, it's fun to have stuff. Don't find that again. Yeah, getting a planner. Like just like this family like, I'm just so proud. So cute. It's pink marble. I wanna see. I'll show you and it's like small, and then it's so cute. Right? And now no one can. Righty. You also have to jobs because you also work for Claudia show. Yeah, no one can ride me. Tell us a little bit about that experience going on the road. You're Rhody. It's honestly really crazy. Like I thought it'd be like so fun. Like we go, the gets fun because like I love to hang out with Claude, but it's like it's so much. And work, and it's like every time I get back, I'm just like I'm dead and I, I don't even do the show and so I can't. I don't know how she does it, like how she does two shows in a night. Like I'm tired just by producing it and like I really don't even have to do that much. It's just like by being there like breathing. But I think it's hard guys just like it's it's a lot and like I'm happy to do it and like I'm happy to help. And like I, it's fun and it's like memories, but it's it's not. It's not an easy job now it's not, and you're doing a great job at it. Think with minimal complaining, which is like the biggest part looks like feel bad complaining because like she's lodge complaining because like she's standing right for like four hours. Right. We have a lot of questions about your personal life. Okay. And you are single? Yes, I am. We, we actually had a really interesting conversation about this inlet Har that wasn't less eighth on the way to the concert because obviously we just had so much time to chat. We were talking about just dating in general. We're talking about dating apps because I'm a big supporter of people getting on dating apps. I think it is the way to meet people these days. As like, I understand that it's not ideal and it's not how most people thought they would find their person. But it just times changing guys just don't approach girls anymore. Right? And so two of my friends, dean and Rebecca, they weren't on apps. I got patron episode. We talked about, hi, Dana, go on a dating app. She match with the guy who she had gone on a date with two years prior. They went out and they've been dating ever since. And what's crazy is the day that they went out was actually the two three year anniversary of the time that they went out the first time. So that clarity there Annan bursary. So she went out. She's dating like the first guy that she went out with and then Rebecca, I made her get on the apps right before Memorial Day weekend. I remember we read so house and I was like, you've got to do it because she's like someone. She was like, I wanna meet someone else. She's so personable. She's like, is so googly. And this just means she's outgoing. She's not awkward like she someone who would meet someone out and I'm like, you're great. But the people that you wanna meet are on apps though. I mean it's about you meeting you being out there. It's about the people the pool sushi went on and to an unidentified, and she is now. Dating the first person. She went on a date list so crazy. So I think it also has to do with me and also like pumping people other, you know, getting them ready for dating app because you shouldn't go on if you're not ready yet and we were talking about, like if you should go on one, I personally thought you shouldn't go on one until you were twenty one because it's weird to like go on dates and like how. And like you have to tell the person like I'm twenty so like, can we go somewhere that's like lenient or like God like that is pittsfield at that takes all the fun out of it. But you were saying you don't wanna go on until I graduate. Just AM like not ready to like beyond dating app and like just like talk to strangers and then like go on a date with someone like, I don't know. Like I'll get there like trust me. But like I just want to get myself like one more year of like maybe it'll just fall into my lap. And if it doesn't, that's fine. And I, like I say to my friends, and I think a bunch of us were like when we graduate just like feels weird to be going on apps and like I'm in class. Do you know what I mean? I understand a little odd to me, but I'm gonna do it if I have to and like I'm totally open to it just like not yet. Which athletes you go on? Probably hinge because I feel like everyone meets unhinged. Like maybe like jas, white? Yeah. Nestle le'veon's AC. Yeah, they met on. They met on Jay's j. site by one of the two, one of the two, but all are good. I'm not going to go on like eight hundred apps. No figures helps thin, and then you don't check them all. And then you're like, I remember when like before I met sack was on a couple of different apps, but I've been on the apps for a while because I was like always single. And then I was like, I was going, I would be like taking the subway to work and stuff. And I would like see, like guys and I'm like, have we match unhinged? I was. I felt like it was becoming like hinge famous. I'm just like it like like everyone had see my profile ready. Okay. So that was not the one that it's like you match with people that you're not friends with. You have mutual friends with yet? It's based on mutual friends on Facebook, but I feel like they should also match you with some Facebook friends that you don't interact with right because like they could like, looks like a million freaking people on base. You can match with your Facebook friends on hinge. I feel like I did at certain points, so so that's what I feel like Hingis for you and they changed the the way it works since I was on a few matches a day now, whereas used to get on limited. But I also think that's better because like clean like to get the cream of the crop yet and like, you don't. You shouldn't. You should go on every day. Check your. Catches, but you shouldn't be able to just go on like, do a ton, and then you don't go back for a while. Right that it'll be so fun the day that I make you set up a hidden because Dave aid to a Facebook. I remember that day we were newsreel and I did. I gotta get it. I've read everyone like people older than me. That's like risky to like Brian. I didn't care a friend and friend it, and then I got that date. It's like you've maxed out like your friend requests for the day, like Kovach in twenty four hours. And I was like. That was just such a fun, a fun day? Yeah. We had a photo shoot at the Hilton and Tel Aviv that still my favorite picture of me ever always works. We're going to do the same when you have a hinge, and then your bio would be like counselor snitch. No, it can't be like people wouldn't get it yet. It has to be like super durable species hard for us. Speaking of snitch house body by snitch going. She's been better. She hasn't really posted in a month, but like I do stories sometimes, but like I'm net like the past like week I've been getting back into like my workout grind. So she's coming back argued, been busy. I've been really busy also like the past three months. I've just been like eating whatever I wanted, and I it, which is fine. But like now it's time I need to like cleanse myself and get back into it too. Like she's coming back slowly but surely give her some time. But yeah, I'm excited. We're also we're going to soul cycle together tonight. Underclass musical Monday musical Monday. I need to start. You need to start working me out more because I saw your last picture was Rambo. Yeah, which was a must go, but I've taken back to it and I feel like a good goal for me is one rumble a week. Okay. You know, I don't know if my body can handle run that my goal is to, I want to work at like four times a week, but like it's just not happening like it's right now like to. And then also you could put on your list of when you move things that you need a building with the gym that I feel like that would really help you. That would have been anyhow air. A gym, a good mirror. Yeah, I like a nice gym. Do you know what I mean? Like a matters like I agree. And like like when it's extreme machines actually have a nice gym in my building, you should come use it. But Claudia said the same thing to me better old building. Like if I'm going to go to your gym, I also just go to NYU. Right, except I see people there and it's like actually, she go to the gym, my building like w place to meet someone there some like it's like a young Bill. True. Okay, cool. Cool. I'll give you the keys. You could just go anyways. I think that's all we have for you today. Finally, a show that we kept to an hour this past week has been crazy. This coming week is going to be crazy. Let me give you the run down a little bit tomorrow. I will be joined by Lauren Elizabeth to help me co host the show. I am so excited. She's like a true pro. She has so many exciting projects coming on if you want to get her to like, send us some. She does. She sent me. So I have to check my my mail because if it's on the show tomorrow and I'll I'll give some to a sister. A help assist actually looked really cute. Then Wednesday as we've been discussing and dreading, but also looking forward to is the holy. Day of Yom Kippur. I'm actually really excited. I feel like I need it like I just need to like not yet my phone cleanse repent for my sins. I need like a, a mental spiritual cleansing me to like also. And then we're the furthest away from your keyboard that we'll ever be. Also. I'm just so excited because we've been on Atkins, but like you can't not have a beagle for very fast. So I'm going to have a for rake. Fascinating. I'm already planning might have he's half. Okay. So I'm going to have one beagle one half is going to be just tune. I love tune on a bagel. Bagel sesame toast in yes. How how crisp Brown Brown Burke toast? Yes. And then the other half is going to be confusing locks on the tomato, like the works on a sesame on us be okay. And then depending on how hungry maybe like I'll do another half or maybe I'll just like have some Israeli salad and tonight, but that's for sure the meal that I'll be having and then like probably end up having more snow me, I'll be starving, but I'm just so excited dreaming about it now. No, I'm so excited. I'm having the taxing thing as you accept. On an everything bagel bagel lightly, toasted. And then I will be having another half of bagel. That is cinnamon raisin. Not toasted with bisque off cookie butter on tall, and it is just the most delicious thing I could ever eat. And that's like my dessert bagel. And then I will feel satisfied. But there's also like having one in bagels as your dutiful the deck, nothing that this is not great, but like it's still what it's not. It's all you'd like are eating right? So much work to that is what's hard. I know because like we'll be stored right. And you just have to eat slow is the key. I always eat. Like I'm like, like I haven't seen food and twenty four hours and then your stomach hurts when you eat like faxed after he fast, then on Thursday, we will be back. We will be joined by leeann lockin and ninety percent Scher Lauren Bushnell as well. I've of her. I will be here and I'm upset keep. Can you just come on the street? The honestly need you that probably misclass- I think you need to come because we actually need an intern that day to lot to handle those classes. I can just have someone signed me and I know people. Yeah. And then Friday is another big day. We are joined by Jerry O'Connell Friday definitely can. Okay, but it's only one guests that we can manage it. Jerry O'Connell will be joining us to talk about play-by-play by on Bravo, and I'm just so saving lived. We're getting Jerry O'Connell for some reason I feel like he's like so famous like not even like right now, just like in life. No, if things that he's done, super accomplished. Yeah, it was just like silk, Jerry O'Connor, screens. This chair only got yet asked him about that. You have to ask about that about like Emma Roberts, all of it on my God. I miss putting so much. I know you should watch it. We should have a day weekend, but we also have to watch to send your own before we need. We need shows. We don't use technology with only thing. We won't give up his TV rides, like a gets me through the hall. Great. I have to get through the day, but we don't use our phone. So if you're looking for us, we will be there. You won't be there. We'll see you on Wednesday night after the sun goes down and after we have our one and a half bagels counter snitch. Thank you so much joy so much for having me. We're just appropriate usual. You just knocked it out of the park, and we will be back tomorrow with another fun day of the morning toast where can everyone follow. 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Dr. Pat Boulogne, Lifestyle Medicine Expert, Reversing the Aging Process Episode 122
"Welcome to episode one, hundred, twenty, two of the how it happened podcast hosted by Mike Mala Testa this episode Mike Welcome Dr Pant Bologne a lifestyle medicine expert at health team network. She's also the author of why are you sick and tired in international bestselling book and available on Amazon Dr Pat helps clients reverse the aging process and reclaim their health. She starts by helping you imagine what your life health relationships and future could look like if you didn't suffer from chronic health conditions that prematurely age you and rob you of energy and vitality in return Dr Pat Deliver Science based solutions focused on finding and treating the clause of your problem unique. To you Dr Pat believes that the main outcome of her system is the aging process that is inevitable can now be graceful and healthy for you. One by one health issues become irrelevant and you can have the great life you dreamed of you can get a free health snapshot on Dr Pats website or schedule a free initial meeting with Dr Pantano explore how you want to improve your health, Mike in Dr Pat cover a ton of great stuff in this episode like where her passion for science developed how a car ride with her father changed her point of view on education how an accident changed her educational path from Mba, to doctor of. Chiropractic medicine, her point of view on white people get sick in the first place why there's a lot of people who are sick and don't know it why you need to take care of the emotional component before fixing the structural issues with your body and much more if I know where someone's emotionally stuck and if I can address that emotional components I, it having this conversation sometimes is very releasing for somebody to get past that you can know where to start gotta take care of the emotional component. First before you do the structure or the structural funds coming back, you know a lot of people who have like chronic itchy people who are. Super, sensitive to perfumes and smells and things like that. They're not good detoxifiers because if they were, they wouldn't have that problem people and they're talking about like. Well, what can I do about that? You GotTa Fix Gut? If you WanNa Change Your Life you know you've gotta stick step hardy your health to do your life you know you have to look at like what thing am I. Sensitive Chew and you have to look at whether or not your candidate to be in a detox program detoxification where you're getting rid of toxins poisons out of your system and heavy metals. So what you've gotta do she got China fire is the function Bolivar's because Dude tax is not. Be Deliver they live or does the function of the talks to bring you agreed connection with our podcast guests and continue to reach and inspire new listeners we've started recording and posting video episodes on Youtube subscribe to the how did happen podcast Youtube Channel Click. The notification bell. So you don't miss any upcoming video episodes and leave a comment with your favorite quote from the episode to help inspire fellow listeners and encourage others to find and listen to the. PODCAST. And now here's doctor. Pat Bologne. Everybody welcome back to the show As you heard in the introduction, I have Dr Pat with me today and I'm really excited because I've done some research on Dr. Pat and. Listen to her on a few other podcasts and she. Knows about everything when it comes to your health and welfare. And it's a big thing with me. So I'm really into that and I am really looking forward to exploring it. I will say well first of all doctor. Thank you for being on the show today silver I am so happy to be here share some time with you guys. Before we get into it I just want to let everybody know that Dr Patent I. Connected on linked in. So she sent me a Lincoln connection. We started to have having a dialogue and we ended up on the PODCASTS. So that's a great way for people to interact with me if you WanNa, interact with me just. Just shoot me a note or an invitation on linked in and I'd love to have a dialogue with anybody who's got a great story that they want to share. Like today with Dr Pat so With that said. Doctor Pat I start every show the same way and it's with a simple question how did happen for you? Well, in one, thousand, nine, hundred, fifty, four, I was born. My. When I was a kid. I came out of the Chute. You know challenging. Amateur a challenger. So something doesn't sound right or something doesn't have a congruency for me. Even as a kid, I always ask the questions I was like the student in the back of the room with their hand up all the time on. Could you explain to me exactly how that works? and I do the same. You know I've always done the same thing. Different areas of my wife thinks that I've studied. And I've always been really prone and lucky to science science has always been very easy for me. And I was very fortunate growing up out of my I was I'm the last five siblings and for when I was growing up my father always told me that I could do anything and that was smart enough to do anything that I wanted to do. So when I play games, I only had boys to play with tells about maybe thirteen fourteen. So I as a Tomboy, I could play. Better football touch football. And Baseball, and I did all those things like that right bikes and that type of thing. But then how many girlfriends until I was about thirteen years old that lived around my house. and. So one thing that I noticed about you know that I experimented on as a child I can remember like you know I thought if he could acclimate to your environment. grown up turns to act mature environment then you would survive better. So I lived in Michigan and we used to have snowstorms that as a small kid, but come up of my knees. So it was at least a foot or more and I always freezing. So I think that if I thought that I was warned than I would be worn in and I that was an interesting. You know I remember these little things like that when I was growing up. So always me interested in science and when I was nine years old I similar to the science. Project and I came in second place in the State of Michigan for that then. And and my father asked me he wanted me to be an electrical engineer. And he would tell me about he was an electrical engineer he went to Michigan Institute of Technology and. Hit a very, very high grade point and He said to me that you know there's he always talked about Ryan and racing being able to take things apart back together. You know and not have any extra pieces. We did that with my bicycle lot and so. You know if I look at where my foundation and the reason why I'm so interested in science it has to come from the influence from my father. So when I was graduating from school high school, this is a kind of fun story graduated from High School my father asked me what college I wanted to go to and I told him I didn't want to go to college and so he said, are you sure and I said sure secret. So he asked me if I wanted to go into downtown Detroit because we lived in the suburbs and we drove in on I seventy five and got off at. Twelve street where the. Riots basically started and my father found some street and he pulled the car over in told me to get out. And I what I WANNA get out here for it's dangerous. Here he goes. Well, if you don't go to college is probably where you're gonNA live. I mean, there wasn't were going I had no idea. I was just out for arrived. We're GONNA. Go to lunch someplace in Detroit 'cause. There's a fun area called Greek town and I was already thinking in my head what I was GonNa Order. You know that kind of thing and he pulled off on the street and it was where the riots were. The storefronts in houses, they're still had boardings up from nineteen, sixty seven when the riots happened and that was in nineteen seventy. Two. And so are the summer step in getting towards seventy two, and so he said you know you better make some decisions here and I said how go to the College of your choice squat I answer was and you know and that just put things in perspective truly very quickly and we went out and had such a nice lunch and then we came back announced his wife that she's going to go to college and she's a all what changed your mind I said nothing special. You know as I said, I go mytalk since Jimmy. Just, didn't want to get into involved in the bigger conversation about that. So I went and I started taking. Classes that interests me and inserted more science classes and I had an instrumental friend who came to visit me after I graduated and I was starting the masters an NBA. And I hated it and. So, a friend of mine was going to chiropractic school and he said. This is what you should do. You know and I always I'm such a resistant child can someone tells me this is what you should do. I WanNa go the opposite direction. Okay and so we're having this conversation in Hey said you have all the prerequisites you have all pre med you have all these classes you know you might have to take one course in order for you to Chiropractic school. And I didn't go unite the cycle I'm not doing that I'm not interested in doing that and then I, hurt myself by waiting on tables EPA time when I will spend my MBA program and I had to go to tractor. To get fixed and so when I went in there, I was looking at how this guy did what he did and I always think that everything happens for a reason. And I said, this guy can do us like. I said I can do it, and so I went to school and rest is history and I had such a it was such a really interesting. How did I fall into that? You know? When I graduated from school, I had a couple of really good mentors and Chiropractic. Fat I said like okay is so I have all this information. What do I do with it? You know like an, how do I apply that and then? My practices on Cape Cod at the time. And I bought a practice that was under served. And in three months later, we were really super busy. We had more people. We had create times in readjust our times in order to accommodate the load that we were taking on. and. We you know had we I was very we're very careful and creating a good name results count you know and we did a lot of the week tested. We didn't Kinda of guess you know when we were dealing with somebody if there was a question mark, someone wasn't progressing the way we wanted them to do. Then we would send out like let's do this test. Let's find out. Something else is going on that's lurking below the surface and you know and it just kept on mushroom mushroom when I had it for. Ten years on the interim. I got the spot my husband. Now he was. Also, and then I sold the practice about ten Lebanese slater after we started it and moved up to Boston from Cape Cod. And you know and then I went to acupuncture school. Okay. So before we get to acupuncture school, let me ask you a couple of questions about what you just shared with US share. What was the science project. The science project was a fine Ilisan. The science project was an acid base indicators. So if you're. The. Type of thing. So I was looking at p. and what things were like foods were more acid more base. So my father worked at A. Chemicals at the time I can remember calling them up and saying I need some phenol failing. and. He said you need what I said. Phenol Staling was what are you doing? I said I'm doing acid base indicator experiment and I've got my vlasic pickle jars. You know that I strip the labels off of you know in reliable them but I was showing. If something's asset in when you are testing it, it's a certain color, and if it's a basic, it's a certain color and then there was other spectrums on at of Ph is that you know? Then, you had the middle jar that was neutral. Where our water should be drinking water should be is that neutral but it's a lot of water not mutual. It's more acid than is in that realm of seven point zero So that's that's what my project was mit. Sure thought. It was a good enough project that he submitted without my knowledge to. The State for the state competition So you're in these jars, you had different liquids, food liquids or so, and you were showing. More basic than that was it was just a I can't remember the exact substance in each one. There was water which was supposed to be seven, and then you had One of the treatments If it were asset, it would be the female failing, and then the other one was was blue collar that was paying the Blue Blue-collar. I can't remember what was the the substance that substrate that was there that you know with challenge that it was more basic. Okay. But you know the interesting thing about female failures, they use it as a preservative bear. A lot of that stuff out there. Right? There is. Side and other things that are in products and you're like. Okay. So I've heard you talk about another another show as I was doing my research I heard you talk about you just mentioned here water. At. Neutral Ph seven. And it's. So I just thought I'd ask you this because there's a lot of waters on the market. That are acidic waters like Blackwater, for example, and some others are slightly acidic and then I'm drinking this water. Now that's alkyl and it's eight point eight Ph and there's so there's there's sort of these different schools of thought and or marketing about what's the optima water for you to be drinking. So as long as you brought as long as we were talking I thought I'd ask you. I'd ask you about that because I've heard you talk about it before. Well. Technically water should be seven to seven point two for drinking purposes. You're eight point, eight, p. h. water is making more alkaline than the idea behind being more outlined is that it protects you from exposure to other diseases because the more alkaline your body is the less likelihood you'll express things like cancer diabetes, things like that. And so but the thing about alkaline water is like if when you're looking at your stomach, your stomach purposely has a certain amount of acid usually like around two point five something like that. the PH of your stomach. So when you eat things, you're supposed to have them be able to break down the foods that you read you know, and so you have to have the assets for that like you know if you ever looked at Combining charts, you know that's like acid food basic food in that in that that anti inflammatory diet is what they call it now, and so if you can balance out those foods on a food combining charts than your optimizing the chemistry of the foods that you're eating. Better for your system. And so I give I always give a food combining chart for food for thought. To my clients. So that they can take a look at that and say like, Hey, well, the reason why steak and potatoes never went together before is because you used to have this like. A sixteen ounce twenty ounce steak, and you would have this potato that was huge and if you look at portion size approaching fastened carbohydrates, the Prochaine seven grams is a unit approaching for your body and nine grams of carbohydrates, which is raw food is one cup. Raw or half a cup cook and fats is one point five grams. So when you put that approaching the fat the carbohydrate, it makes kind of perfect protein and your body utilizes it better. So you have much more anti inflammation. In your body so everybody needs. A certain amount of protein maintain muscle mass, and that's really important because as you some has been were. And you get less. Active you'll have muscle wasting. Because of less activity in inner strength. So you know how to like if you know what approaching requirement for your body, you can adjust the carbohydrates and fats to the rest of your to what your daily need us. Okay got it. And then. You mentioned when you went to the chiropractor the first time that. Sounds like he? He was a he and it sounds like maybe he helped you but you didn't. You said I. Didn't like him and I'm curious what happened there where you were. Where it was enough where you've got a positive out of it because you want it to be explored further but you didn't but you also sort of combined it with maybe a negative. Well, what happened was is that when I was sitting there the first thing before I, even touch me as he wanted to take. xrays. You know full spine x-rays and my problem with my neck and my shoulder. and. I said you know why do you have and I asked him questions about it? So I ended up not having care by him. And I ended up leaving and so and it's just like I wasn't buying into like you've gotta take extra stuff my whole spine I now know why he wanted to do that. But then he wasn't very communicate about the reasoning why to do that and I thought if he can do, he can do this I can do better. In a can. That's why that's what happened exactly what that situation. Okay and you mentioned moving to or having your practicing Cape Cod you mentioned growing up in Michigan how did you make the transition there and tell what was it like to actually get started? Get started with your company or your practice in Cape Cod. Well. You know when I went to Cape Cod there wasn't a lot of people there. People tell me you know it's only a summer area. And And so. and I found the practice that was for sale and I told my husband about it. He was still in Michigan finishing up A. Commitment for working chiropractic office they are and I came to Massachusetts and in Boston and worked for a chiropractor and Cambridge right near Mit and. and. Then when he came out and join me, we are looking at this particular practice for sale and I. was working. So I let him do the that part of the negotiation and we decided to go with it because we had a choice of either going to the mountains are going or being on. Cape Cod, which you had. You know the Atlantic Ocean and Martha's vineyard in all this really wonderful. Beautiful there's hardly any people there and you didn't need a GPS to get around and for the summertime in. You didn't have one then because then all the tourists. Wouldn't back roads but it was it was a really great place and it was very you know pretty much welcoming. And it was easy to meet people there So there was like one health food store, but there was people who who I met for like in the Rotary and Lions Club and. So I I did most of the outside talking for the prayer after US and set those up and my husband always said to me like you know K. said, no one came in from that rotor at rape thing was Dr With Java who is a doctor on Cape Cod he's big there so they want to offend them. But. What would happen though is every time I would go out and give a talk. We're are statistics we had people coming people were told by somebody else like, Hey, how did you hear about us? They said Oh someone told me they were at the Rotary Club they said that you were new chiropractor we check you out. So it's really it was very, very much word of mouth and then you know there was like some fun groups to join because people were starting to get into the meditation. You know I remember seeing Deepak Chopra for like five bucks at Cape Cod Community College before he started out and he was horrible. He what happened with him and it was really great. It's that somebody heard him in saw the potential and then they approached him about doing something bigger and having bigger impact. So I, always, you know it's just like A. Note from seeing him. That was incredibly inspiring. That aspect of that and and other people who I've seen and have crossed paths with on Cape Cod when people like oh so and so down there. Oh yeah I remember seeing Tony Robbins Tony Robbins talks to my doctor grew. Up. In Andover Massachusetts. Business. Group that I belong to when he was just starting out and he was doing his fire walks and it, and so that was you know and some someone asked me do you know the Tony Robbins Absolutely not Everybody Tony Ravenous is like. Everyone knows who Tony Robbins very known, right But he's he's you know he started doing his fire walks in you know that NLP Steph with people who could make an impact with that which were physicians alternative, position chiropractor punctures things like that. You know massage therapists in us. So that was Kinda cool and that's when spas started to come on the scene. and. South. So that was it was interesting. It was an interesting time to have of cross paths with some people who are phenomenally great now. Yeah I suppose I mean you can't really think of two bigger names that you could just sort of run across on Cape. Cod, when they were nobodies are just trying to become somebody. Deepak Chopra or Tony Robbins right it's five dollars a CD JOE doubt. You'd ever pay that. Again you know and my girlfriend paid in Spain a couple years ago to see Tony Robbins she paid something like five thousand dollars seminar. And I saw him for free you know and I learned how to been spoons and forks and know in a thought to walking on fire. I didn't do it. I don't think I would do it either. Doesn't you know I like? For. Some reason skydiving doesn't do it for me either. I don't want to jump out of a plane that doesn't appeal to me you know or Bungee jumping with us. The. The the four signers spine on the Bungee jump. You gotTa have a really good spying in habit put together very well and be really fit to me. I will bungee jump. Unless I had I knew that I knew that they knew I was solid. It's funny. You mentioned that because a few years ago maybe more than a few years ago now, but I was at a state fair and I got on this ride with my niece that it's basically the opposite of a bungee jump. So it it actually pulls. You. Know the. The giant rubber band down and then it lets you go and you go up. and. I was not prepared for what happens at the top when you go up my neck. Moved in a way that I guess g forces are going to do in that. took me a long time to get over that. So I see what you mean about bungee jumping. Michael. Needed me. Did. I mean it hurt cry for a long time not debilitating, but you can feel it. I feel for a really long time. You mentioned the Rotary Clubs insertive getting out there in front of people has speaking in front of people been something that's come naturally to Dr Patterns at something you've had to work on I'll tell you the first time I gave A. A semi face a half a half thesis is what they call it in. Chiropractic. School I was giving. Excuse me the space station and I lost my space. And I just went well. So I just close my books. And I opened them again and I start battle over. and. That was the only thing I think but I was sweating and then when I graduated, my husband was still in school. So I was an assistant. Instructor at the Chiropractic College in I was teaching. A class at like three hundred people standing in front of me and I wore white blouse that I state wedding. And then after that, I was relatively fine. You know people always say that they said I'm really shy. I don't think. So as I don't have that. Not. Anymore. But at one point in time because I was like I was. I was scared that I wasn't gonNA. I. Wasn't prepared enough If somebody asked me a question, I wanted to be able to follow my my sheets of paper my flow sheets you know that I had for cheat sheets everyone else had three by five or six cards I had sheets of paper. And you know. So it ended up going you know ended up going well and the teaching ended up going well, and I actually learned a subject better than when I took the same course when I was in school and it was geriatric diagnosis and I thought it was a very important class in retrospect. You. Know if you look at the baby lowers I'm at the end of the baby boomers you know, and so it encompassed all my friends in a an older people. So it gave me a better perspective on things that someone who's geriatrics ghost through for their type of healthcare. Okay? And I? Maybe five or six episodes ago I had a fellow named Tom Brady. On my show and top for a lot of his career had been a an ER nurse. So a triage nurse in Ireland. And When I was listening to you. As I was researching for this. I thought you had some very unique. Experiences in perspective on Chiropractic and how the here on connect the two together as a tree is nurse ty was talking about how he could. You know just by being close to someone. What their breath smelled like or what they're sweat smelled like or what they? He was observing all these things in a in a way that was way higher than I think the average person does and he could make assessments as to what was going on with that person and I. Heard you talking about something similar with Chiropractic? You know it wasn't. And I wanted to I wanted I wanted to have you share that with us because. I know for me. I probably have like a caveman mentality when it comes to chiropractors. Chiropractors just there to sort of adjust your spine and you know you're out the door and come back and you know that kind of thing but but I don't think that's. I don't think that's what it is. Stanley don't think from listening to you that that's. How you think about it so What what. So tell me about tell me about that. Well let's I get straight on. One thing. First thing is is that you've gotTA understand why people get sick in the first place. So and then old back to the chiropractic part of and so you know there's Traumas, toxins and thoughts so that trauma? Portion, Abbott is inflammation in the body. So inflammation can be in your organs. It can be in the fat tissues around your organs and it can be You know also in your spine the first time nine out of ten people in. The birthing process through a normal birthing process or even Syrian is damaged somewhat to the cervical area of the neck which sets up the first part of information. So a lot of times by the time I used to take xrays xrays their neck, which is supposed to have a Kurban. It was straight and you start seeing bony changes and this changes even at a early age of twenty two or twenty five, and you shouldn't have to see those until like forty or something like that. And so you know that's the first part. Then you have toxins is the second reason, and so the reason for that, and the reason why you gotTa chiropractor back on the trauma part of that is so that they get your bio mechanic straighten and you start at a very young age so that your structure function. So if you don't have good structure as your spine houses the Vertebra in the back house shirts, nervous system that goes out to every organ tissue in your body. So you WanNa make sure all those things are moving the way they're supposed to including your extremity like ankles, feet, things like that because you have to look at what weight-bearing what's not weight bearing? And then you know then you if you look at someone's posture, you know, and as soon as someone throws her head forward, you're taking an eleven pound ten pound object and you're adding a lot of pounds per square inch as each five degrees progresses forward. So you can see how people when they start to lose posture or they hurt themselves and they create a new normal. So then you have toxins. So taxes are things like the air that you breathe and drank you know the food that. Awake. Things that you use in your house you gotta read labels got nowhere. After a lot of them are carcinogenic, allow those have when you're drinking water out of plastic and especially from extreme heat or to call those plastics are just in your body and a stay there. So they interfere with how your hormones work and when they interfere with how those hormones work. Then you have interference without estrogen strong work. You know. So people don't understand why why tired or why my sleepy all the time and how do I get this autoimmune situation to begin with. You know and then some of those autoimmune situations actually go back to bad vaccines that were released and I don't WanNa get into that right now but it's it's a huge story with that. And then you have thoughts. So when you know women are more prone to the cinema because we worry about everything, we worry about whether or not Mike you have enough sleep last night you know and the eight, all your energy want anything else you know it's just like your ten minutes late coming from home the first thing happening for women's like, okay I wonder. Where he's at you know and as opposed to just and you can't a lot of women can't get a handle on that. So that bonding warm hormone you know that happens when like you know kids are born you know if women remembered how painful it was not and that hormone didn't go up, we would never have any kids. We wouldn't have time relation problem you. But the but because of that, they're always like women always do for everybody else except themselves they put themselves last all the time. My husband needs this more than I can't even tell you how many times in my career I've ever heard women say that and I just WanNa shake them you know and if if he can't take care of yourself, you can't take care of somebody else you know. So those thoughts like worry stress you know it's like whatever the? Media tells you you always have got well, who wins what's the purpose of that information that I'm hearing and because a lot of people when they add that extra stress on, it makes them sicker and there's a lot of people who are sick and don't now it. So for instance, like Koga, who had people that go well, he was so healthy and he just died you know well, he wasn't bad healthy because what was going on below the surface was ramping up. And a lot of men don't pay attention to that reading up stuff until the after the age of forty to fifty. So you asked the guy how you feeling unless there puking up in a toilet they don't say they're sick or they don't feel good. You know it's just like very rarely. Do you have that conversation with people like that so even people looking at them don't. Go. Let's just what he or she looks like unless there's some really you know obvious sign that you're you're having trauma. Limping or you're right? No Right. Well. Just like. When I had a ski accident, you know years ago and I was in Rehab. I told somebody you know I wasn't working I was on disability. You don't look like there should be on disability. It has nothing to do with looks it has to do. You know and a structure function. That's my. That's where chiropractic comes in because the pillars of health are proper diet or nutrition proper. Proper sleep, positive mental attitude, and mindset. In also then you have structure function and bio mechanics of the body nets, why he goes do with the chiropractor is to really keep. The structure function at the most optimum level that you possibly can. And then you gotta work on the nutrition component you work on the other parts of the components so. That's why wrote my that? I told you about. Weakest Link is and then you can address what's important where you can put your time energy money and you're not spinning wheels someplace else because you're it in the book like for Melatonin, for instance, which changes the chemistry of your body don't want to do that. You Really WanNa have like what is it that I really really need to do in doesn't it's not dependent upon which your diagnosis one of those mentors talked about in Chiropractic. He always said what you got is necessarily what got you know. So you've got to say like here's what I'm working with in when you're making a my necker going. Okay. So what else could be going on? So that net diagnosis part of that is huge. So that's why I would say I like the Test WanNa guess about anybody I want some I need something to work with and I need good information to work with to carry someone forward. So when I adjust I adjusted a very particular way like how I I adjust as I say structure function because I look at how the body is moving her each segment in each side of the body as I examined from feet going up to the head. 'cause gravity goes down, it doesn't go up. Unless there's a trauma and so I look at like words words the glitch with fix that glitch comeback that do anything I feel sometimes going Oh my God like, how did how come my chiropractors I do WanNa fill in work how come my chiropractor doesn't do that I don't know it's my technique. But it's really very satisfying to see people make that progress in make it and really quality confined time. It's really great. To see that. I love you combined you trauma toxins and thoughts especially thoughts because you don't really hear a lot of doctors talk about thoughts. In fact I'm I'm sort of reminded I've a friend. WHO'S A GI doctor and he's Is An excellent Gi doctor? But that's he's sort of narrow on what a GI doctor does A. Gi. Doctor does. I can't remember what they call the throat procedure but that in colonoscopy. Handles cancers and you know really reacts to what they observe their but outside of. That There's not really a discussion about so. Let's talk about toxins in your body and let's talk about your. particularly. Let's talk about thoughts. So how did you come to? Put all those things together. Oh I got now. It was a combination of things like I do a analysis that's called. AK. So in kinesiology. So when I'm going to acupuncture somebody acupuncture position also I, always clear out if there's an emotional component in Chinese medicine, there's five. Areas are fighting. Meridian's that really relates to emotions like anger in recent Matt. And Murray and overthinking and joy sadness you know kind of things grief and. Paralyzed will you know it's like so if I know where someone's emotionally stock and if I can address that emotional components I, when I'm working on someone specifically been on a telephone i. Having this conversation sometimes, it's very releasing for somebody. To get past that, and you know you know where to start and then you can go in because one of nine in. The same guy who said, what you've got isn't what you got. He said you gotTa Take Care of the emotional component first before you do the structure or the structural keep on coming back. You know a lot of people who have like chronic itchy and they are people who are super sensitive to. Perfumes and smells and things like that. They're not. They're not good detoxifiers because if they were they wouldn't have that problem you know and people are talking about like what can I do about that? You got the Gut. If you WANNA change your life you know you gotta stick step your health to do your life. You know you have to look at like what things are. You know what? Am I. Sensitive to, and you look at whether or not your candidate to be in a detox program to begin with I'm not talking about drug attacks I'm talking. Detoxification where you're getting rid of toxins and poisons out of your system and heavy metals in you know. So so what you gotTa do you gotTa tone fire is the function of Bolivar's because the liver doesn't do detox is not you don't detox deliver liver does the function of detox. So it's supposed to take those toxins after they share blood system in the supposed to take them put them either. If they're small and if they go to the kidneys to the bladder to be paid out, and if there is a bigger molecule, they go into your intestinal track to be handled in. So you can poop them out and have a battlement, and that's how you're supposed to do that, and if you're eating the right foods that are right for you. Then what happens is that you know those like. L., those taxes become glue with that type of food ma I'll kill it takes out of the body in very simplistic for him. You know so In because we have such toxins in our system, you know in around us in our house in our environment. I recommend people to do a simple detoxification process where they're working on getting rid of heavy metals. If anyone ever grew up near a steel mill, you know or some chemical company of some sort of you know plastics or whatever. It'd be important to you know like always make sure that your body has all the things that it needs. It's like you don't drive a car without changing the oil changing tires are working with the alignment. If you do your car ages really quick and so this your body, there's people who are like you know forty who look older than I do. I look good twenty years older than them. So it's like the you. You have to take a look at like what the what's the big picture, and then you have to look at like in an like an a layout sheet, old-fashioned Laos when I did that for my I always had I always pick places where it didn't look right to me I don't know why but it's like Oh here here I do the same thing when I'm looking at someone's health snapshot and what's happening with other organ systems that are supposed to be working like a Swiss watch. But once slows down in affects another party your system. So like in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, four people that take aspirin for you know for the brain the brain for the for the heart in the aspirin was really good for the heart but it was really bad for blood vessels and at that same time you started seeing because at that time, there was no. strokes or those types of accidents were nine even on top ten a reason why people died in the United States. But they did go up, they started helping people to take aspirin. And is that because it was good for the heart, but it weakened the arteries. Yes. People would have blow out. This is good. The heart love debt it's good for muscle cause heart is a muscle. In but it's not good for the blood vessel. You know. So if you have an like what where is that? Really fine tune balance where's that weakest link in my system because if you have a weak link and you don't know where it's at and you're trying to sort that out, you know then you might be doing putting a bandaid on something as opposed to sixteen the root problem. Okay. So you can get to the root problem then you can get you know it's it's the what I do is I make sense of stuff like that and I make it more I have I can find a better way that simpler and doesn't mean that it's easy but it's the Chievo Ball and that you have, you know it's faster and you have you know really tangible results. So for me that part of it, you know like when I looked at stuff like that and going can't you see that? It's easy for me to see that. And it's easy for me to steer people like, hey or if helping someone advocate with a sex when you go to your doctor, these are these are questions that you definitively need to ask and if he doesn't answer them, you know. To start off from the BAT. I need the answers for these questions and I expect you to answer these questions in the time that we have together because they're medical doctors are so short on time. They don't really have the time by default and just like how can I tell you my story and they don't always do a really good systems review, which is what my book is really about it's it's intensive review for your body so that you know in those system or consume your body. So you know what's going on in. My is this high in this high over here and you know it's just like in on how? You can have a low liber score on that chart, but then if you look at the metabolic questionnaire. People, you can have a high score which say they can't afford, which means search something going on the surface. So. Let's go get it. Get rid of it. So, let's. I want to dig in a little deeper here. So you can help make something simple, which is your suit simpler for me, which is your superpower, right so the on the toxin side. I. I don't think. I feel like I'm. Pretty. In tune with with my body and what's what's going on? But when you say. A detox. My mind goes to what you see. You know the the movie stars are doing. Right they do. They do fast and A. Enema thing or or whatever. That's what comes into my brain and then. I was thinking about in conjunction with what you can't see like a few years ago my wife and I had. A scan four visceral fat which I hadn't heard of before. Few years ago, and probably most people don't know what visceral fat is but when you were talking about. A holding onto toxins inside of your body feels like visceral fat sort of provides an environment inside of you where things can sorta hang out and metastasized and that kind of thing. So I could you talk more about and make more sites can by the whole tax? Yeah. Thank you I can. So what you need to know when you eat something and it gets a sore. So if you're if you have inflammation and the intestinal track than foods go out to the blood quicker, and so they go to the liver in the liver tries the process them and the idea what happens when you're younger you have recovery and restorations quicker when you. Get, older, it starts to lay. For instance, if you go out and have a couple of glasses of wine and you've got a headache the next day, you're probably not tax define find your liver's not doing that process of detoxification, which there's layers there's like three or four layers of decalcification have to happen to get for it to work properly. So when it Can't do that and it gets overwhelmed and it's already done this thing twice already gone from the stomach you know you ate it goes into the blood goes to deliver in the liver push pushes those taxes they tried to put it someplace it will store them and blood bring bone and fat. So this real fat is fat that cushions in keeps moist all. Your internal organs and the test that you had with either a bio payments or by a body composition test, which tells you what your cells look like inside. So when people have cells that are dehydrated and they have more liquid on the outside, which is like that puffiness kind of thing that you see. Then what what you're seeing is that that's more inflammation. So. The you know when you're looking at, you know someone who's skinny they can have a high visceral fat score because their bodies dumping out taxes in this being stored in blood brain bone fat and I goes to the fat, and then it will go to the bone and then will go to the brain. And that's where the ink is for inflammation in Alzheimer's for instance that's that's a venue for it of how it gets there and so and heavy metals don't need to have permission. If you have a healthy got heavy metals, go through at your easily and heavy metals get stored like basically it goes liver in they store in blood brain bone fat. So. When you have an accumulation of those you, there's there's really some simplistic ways to get rid of that. You know over a period of time there's a supplement that you can take that will help protect you in in in relief those heavy metals from your here system I know one product that is very product for that and then you can you know like you've got to look at what your diet is. You know. What you're eating. So when you're looking at like you know how you make that. D A simpler is that you know If you're your body's like a Ferrari. And so if you change your gut, then you're changing your gut to a Chevy. And Chevy can't support a Ferrari body. You know. So it leaks there's fumes. There's you know like food doesn't digests. When you look at your poo in the toilet, you should not see any food in your in your. In your feces at all. and. In when you see it, it means you're not digesting that food stop eating it. It's like if you like corn of Scott ending. Okay. Yeah. All right. That makes sense because. Right. Now, you're not eating at the question that you have to ask yourself is like why? Because it's not really the diagnosis that you have the question is like, why? Like what is in my lifestyle my diet? My environment has caused this problem in the first place and so that's where it should back you know each like section because when your body you know if. They say that each fat cell in your body is like a little indifferent Oregon And so when you're looking at like that fat regulation Carbohydrate metabolism issue is this like having that right ratio of those proteins, fats and carbohydrates we talked about before is really important. So that, you get the protein that you need so that you can have sustenance and sustain your body. You know, and so it's You're you're working with the system as opposed to against the system. That makes sense. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. That was really helpful. What what is your? What is your feeling about the the various? Gut Health tests that are out there now, Viacom and some others where you basically give you a report back on what's happening and they give you some guidance on what kind of food you should or shouldn't be eating based on the results. Is that something that you that you subscribe to or do you have a different way of getting to whether you know what's happening in a person's got? Well? I. Think the first thing I my questionnaire, which is my first test, and then from there I can order specific test do I order microbiome some testing? I do do I order stool tests? I, do but I would I start off with ordering a food sensitivity. And you know so that you know what foods are aggravating because she can eat food and you're going that was such a great meal in three days. Later, you're very brain fog city in your thinking I didn't eat anything I'm not in input you're having a reaction to food you had two or three days before that. You don't always have that a quote unquote you know. The type act reaction to all the foods that you're eating, and so you can have sensitivity the foods and not know it. For instance there's a case that I know of women who for ten years is being treated by her Gi doctor and she kept on having bleeding in her stools and they couldn't figure it out. So they finally said like you know what we've tried everything drugs didn't work the desk for the while at work. Excuse me into this and this and this, and so she and he said, we're you know we're next option is to do surgery and she said, what do you mean? She said, well, we're going to they're going to give her a bag she had four kids and some of them were so little you know and she said, well, can I play with my kids now can go swimming now in just like so what can I do and he said we were going to have to alter your life, and so that wasn't acceptable to her she went and saw a colleague of mine who told me the story and? When she did that they did the food tests on her. And because no one ever asked her about the foods that she was aiding or took a look at that and they found that she had high. The worst. She passively put in her mouth with Avocados. Every time she ate avocado, she would have bleeding. And when they took the avacado away if you saw her colonoscopy, the what her intestinal track for the ask looked like you know through the one like the year before then when she stopped being sky and did this other program and got rid of foods that were really reacted for her her gut healed in one year within one year, it was done guts he'll bury. If given the right environment. So you know. She didn't have to have surgery. She got the kids she got to go swimming. You know in in the medical doctors was there guess was wrong you know for her but it isn't that what the medical doctor did was wrong because he only knew and was doing what he was taught to do. Sometimes, you gotta think outside your box and ask the question you know. I would have been out of their way before six ten years. But you know you got to ask the questions just like what else can I possibly do because there's always something you can do what can I do to go from point eight point see and what's my best easiest way to get there that makes sense that's not gonna cost me a ton of money and and I have the energy to do you know because of the problem for people in being consistent with something Set you know in the commitment to their own health. So. When I work with somebody always asked, hey, you know how is your health been in the last two years? That's my question like your question and then I always say you know are you willing to do whatever it takes to be hell say You know, and so I can work I have flexibility and I can work with people what people tell me what they wanna do and how they want to do it in. So that's one of the things that when I'm bringing something table, I'd you really what I call I practice commonsense I wouldn't do it out never tell someone to do it, and so it's it's gotTa make sense to me an order for me to say this is a very cool thing you should do this. So the microbiome thing. The last call. That I had my guts never been the same since then and that was two years ago and I'm still working on sing my gut. So and so what they do, they're doing a colonoscopy they're basically looking for cancer and they're only looking for it in a large intestine and the rectum. They can only go to where the SPA tests in meets the large intestine. So I said so why are you like flushing every good, bad beautiful and ugly out of the body because you have that whole heart that's been that especially in small intestines. You know and so Guys in any said well. You can't really replace that which I disagree with an actor an. because. You can take a look at what microbiomes are missing you know, and you can take what foods that you now might be sensitive to that. You weren't sent to the two before because whatever it was that handled that foods. No longer there it's gone. You know. So you've got to recreate the foundation like he got move into new houses like moving to a house and finding out mold. Black Mold you don't stay there. What happens like they got rid of all that stuff and now you've got to go find a new house. So you have to rebuild your house and you've got to start from scratch. You can't go in you know you can't put the cart before the horse you've gotta go back to basics so. In, any physician anywhere anytime? No matter chiropractor acupuncturist medical doctor of any profession specialization than. They you know it's like when crap hits the fan you gotta go back to basics. You know. So it's just like 'em. So like I've been working on that one aspect and I'm like ninety percent back to where I felt like I was at before you know but there's just some foods that I used to eat to love to eat and had no problem eating them. Now allergic to Kumon. Now, tumor I don't any eight any beans at all. If I do I, have sharp stabbing pain exactly where the acupuncture point is. FOR THE STOMACH You know on a thing called the central of vessel and there's the point on. There s exactly at that point you know and the things that relieved that I sucked like caraway. Coin. There's something. I'm still haven't figured out that one part of it, but it's a long process. This take two years of working with somebody in 'cause I don't I don't like to diagnose myself and I look at somebody who's like some tell me. And I'm the typical patient like so how do we do this quickly? because. Me The secret yeah. And so it's an interest it's been interesting process. So new asset, that's that was the first thing that came to my mind and. They. And in my case you know my colon didn't change twelve years and do it in ten years twelve your. Follow, up and I doubt you know personally from my belief system in for me I doubt if I would ever do another call and ask you I think a lot of times they set people up to have colon and stomach problems by doing this one procedure, I don't understand why they can't do a high colonic. Since what they're looking at just the colon to begin with and leave the stuff that's already there alone unless you have an upper gi problem like when you have ulcers. And then you got to understand like why do you have all sorts in the first place? What's going on with the gallbladder? What's going on with deliver because the liver makes gallbladder dumped bile into the stomach which protects the lining of the stomach. You know. So there's like what what's not happening in the function of stomach. There's basically four different functions that happened in the stomach. So you've got gotta look at where the problem is at six the immediate problem. In targeted supplement that problem and then you look at like okay. So what's it look like now and then you can see how your health chart changes by saying I might health chart. It's like the eight by ten piece of paper and there's all these columns and I I still do it at L. fashioned way because I want. My clients to draw out where their lines are. So they can. So they're connected to that chart so they can see. Their gut scores are at liver scores. You know brain musco skeletal. Male female you you WanNa see where and then you can like well. You know how does this relate to each other because? I've seen people have like fifteen scores like in high priorities is a bad issue for them. You know like two months later they only have three. You know, and so you know in by changing lifestyle by changing, you know the Diet, their exercise, their sleep patterns you know. What their thoughts are you know and making sure that there is structurally sound. So there are structure is function as working at one hundred, fifty percents. I'm glad you went through that because I, it never occurred to me though with a colonoscopy I've only had one in my life but. You basically are. Just throwing away all of your. Bio Gut by and starting over. It's like re seeding I never I never thought about that. But yeah, that's. A long time to get it right. and. then. It goes down the drain quickly and then you you're working at now like there there's a specific program there's a a probiotic. that I tell people in a prebiotics I tell people they need to take after a colonoscopy. If they choose to have one you know and that they need to take this probably for a year I used to say just a couple of months but that's not what I'm finding anymore you know. In, for somebody, I would never tell somebody. No, don't go do one you know. But you what you want and just like you know, I don't have the family history of that but I think sometimes when they you know. They changed that flora is sitting up to have a problem later on. AM I thought. I don't know. I'm still on the you know the police system that when you have your health, you have a thousand dreams and when you don't, you only have one you know and. And nobody wants to be that you know people don't our kids and they go like Oh when I grow up I want to have you know like I wanna have some chronic illnesses as you kinda like, don't think about those things and when they do you realize what a burden in how it's changed your life and how it's burden other people who you love. You. Know. So that there is this huge adjustment and you gotta go back like widen I do self care to begin with why didn't they put air in the tire? And because when you put your tires are low, you know you keep on sometimes putting the error in it and you find out a month later when it goes low again that you actually got a nail on it. You know and Western medicine doesn't diagnose generally speaking unless they unless you have the flat tire. So, there's so many little questions like in a system survey the the Swiss watch principle that you can take a look at and say in kind of catch things before they become a crisis in to me that has so much value to it to be able to go like, Hey, you know what? In an I tell people to use my book on New Year's Day you know and I because you don't have to think about what you WanNa do for your health is spent three hours Max read the book or just do the questionnaire. Find out what your chart looks like and just say this is where I need to focus my attention so that they can get it handled, get a gun, get out their lights and then recheck the book about every flight for six months and see where they're at. So they can kind of like D Y in in a way you know but with the supervision and an out like enosis like what do I need to pay attention to orch-? They can have with the information that they get in the book. They can take to their doctor if there functional medicine doctor understand functional medicine, lifestyle medicine alternative medicine and say like. Hey. This is what I found in your you're not addressing this. Puts the power back into the patient or client's hands. So. That they can get that. You know when I'm talking to people if they're far away from me and they don't WanNa work virtually Then what I would do was I will help them find somebody in their area. You know they might have to drive two hours. In order to go find somebody who can like read that chart in that can really help them with their health and so they can like it can make a huge difference. probiotic that you mentioned what? A professional company that I use. You know but you're looking at in the probiotic part of it. You know. I wouldn't take a probiotic unless it has thirty billion live culture senate. You know and so sometimes you have to titrate up to that or you can't find it at thirty. So you have to buy fifteen like there's one that's at whole foods market, which I don't remember the name but has seven or eight strains it you wanNA have a variation. There certain strains of bacteria in certain places of the GUT. So some thought processes because of the largest strang you know select by the time it gets to wherever it's gotta go. It's not it's not alive culture anymore you know but I'm banking on like if you put like use a food chart eubank, your put your food together chemistry wise and you're not drinking coca-cola you know or having putting using sugar. Eating a lot of breads. Then you can six, your got when you fix your gut, your life changes. In your and your immune system becomes more sound by that the Chinese always thought that you know when you have your gut health, you have you can conquer anything. With so many people when people tell me, they have allergies I said, you have problems. You have a problem with your right near going how do you know that because? Out You can't have an allergy and not have cut issue of some sort. Well the things that I'm seeing about gut health. Know it's. It's all the things you mentioned and talking about. Much further being able to take gut health and actually cure chronic diseases. By improving you know your your gut and. There's all this sort of research going on right now to. That I think. Prior, to recently just been completely ignored, you know like you get sick and fix you. You know instead of here's here's why you're here's how the knock at sick. It's like why you got to ask you know what's what's really going on and when when you say that you know just like you guys think about. What what you eat. The mindset you have when you eat, you know to bless your food or you grateful for you food or you just shoving it in I mean we all do that especially if you're driving someplace you know and But you can shoes I mean I did a Webinar. It was very cool. I talk about these kids very family seventeen year old kids in junior achievement and I gave webinars to them my very first wepener You know I'm very old fashioned in. So doing that was know I was thinking like what slide should I put together and I wanted to make sure that they were for the teacher who was supporting in junior achievement in Florida that was supporting that they were not. They were the size appropriate for that age. I'm excited I had no clue. So but I had so many wonderful questions. I had so many wonderful questions from that. You know in. In from dealing with them and so they they were very like some slow. You mean I can just like go another mile and go to sweetpea where they have salads and fresh food together a suggests just don't eat any fruit with it. Oh. I can you do that? You know then that I would have another question another question in another question it was really. I really loved it. Congratulations on your first Webinar and getting getting kids early right to say spending. Well, the cool part of it too in that scenario is out of like fifteen kids were in there like six or seven of them bought my book. Oh Nice. You know and I just said like, Oh, i. Oh, that was just you know that was very sweet and You know and and when someone buys my book, I also give them an opportunity to chat with me about what the results are. So they know what their next step is because sometimes you look like, okay, I, don't want you to get overwhelmed knowledge is power, but it's only powerful if you know where to stack which direction you gotta go. So I feel like we've talked a lot about your book without talking about your book in particular, which is, why are you sick and tired? Which is great name for book by the way. Get your attention. So I I'd actually maybe we could do another one of these and we could talk sort of more. Directly about that because I'm kind of interested in it, I would wanna go through at first and then go go do it maybe if you're up for that later. You could do that but. where? Where do you want people to connect with? You Pat I mentioned at the beginning that I connected with you on on linked in. I. Know You're on all the socials but what where do you? What do you prefer and not all? Of them. But no one's I guess. Okay I. Have I have I know people who are I am on. Lincoln so people can find if you're on linked and people can find me on link Jen. One of my best places that I was sent people to I have a facebook page but I would tell you your better bet is to go to my website, which is called health team network DOT COM. and I have an instagram account but you know my two favorite places are my website and primarily link Jen if you have linked account. And and then there is inside the book in the back of the book if someone wants to get the book. On Page, one Oh, chew are all my contacts for my website by email as Dr Pat Healthy Network and my calendar is I ask people who who have done the book given opportunity to spend thirty minutes with me and look at what their results are. You know and stats in a no charge note obligation I just want you to be healthier and if you're healthy, are it makes it a better place for everybody else? Well Dr Pat Him so thankful for having you on the show today, I definitely encourage everyone to Take her up on her offer connect with PAT and and and talk with her I. Mean you've heard we walked through a lot of fantastic stuff that's really meaningful for you. And taking control being your own advocate understanding. What matters to you with your health is something. I have learned later in life but I am so convinced that that's the right thing for people to be doing and it's possible you can do it. I do Wanna I, just want to close with one thing you said which i. Thought it was awesome. I don't know if you came out with this or whatever, but I'll attributed to you now. Thank you said. When you have your health, you have a thousand dreams. When you're sick, you only have one and that's That's something to take away. So Pat Thank you so much for that. It's been. It's been an honor and a pleasure to have you on the show today. Thank you I really appreciate and just think it's all started with that drive to Detroit to. Lead to want to go to college. Yeah. Yeah. Show the kids what the future could look like. They may not know what it looks like where they are right now they may just think that they do. Absolutely. Absolutely. Thank you so much. I really appreciate it this. This is really my wonderful. It's been my pleasure. Thanks for listening to this episode of the how that happened podcast where we believe that success doesn't happen unless you make it happen. You can subscribe to the podcast on Apple podcast Google podcast stitcher or wherever you like to listen, and while you're there, please rate it and leave a comment as well. I love to hear your thoughts about the show ideas for future guests or whatever you'd like to share, and of course, you can always find me at Mikenow attest to dot com. 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Comedian Eugene Mirman
"The Bulls eye with Jesse. Thorn is a production of maximum fun dot Org and is distributed by NPR. I'm Jesse Thorn. It's Bullseye Art. You know Eugene Merman. By his voice he plays gene on Bob's Burgers also on adult twins D. located where he played give Guinea Mirror Ski Russian Hitman and aspiring. Stand up in real life. Great stand up comedian for ten years. He ran the Eugene Merman Comedy Festival in New York City. The festival was absurd and brilliant. There was the time that IRA glass got super hammered on stage. They were sessions with a licensed therapist in a bouncy house. The history of the festival is recounted in the new documentary. It started as a joke in comics. Kristen Schaal Kumail Nanjiani. And Reggie Watts talk about how. Brooklyn's ought comedy scene. Grew up around the festival but it's also a story about Eugene and his family moved to La. He stayed behind on the east coast his wife. Katie was battling cancer. She died earlier this year. It's beautiful touching documentary with plenty of laughs to make things go down here. Here's a bit of Eugene Merman. Performing stand up at the final farewell show at the Eugene. Mirman Comedy Festival recently. Told me that when we were in elementary school our teacher told her to not be my friend because I was a loser. That's the eighties for you. And then to prove it. She showed her my test scores. I know what I get that you could show a test that proves that someone is bad at math. But what's the test that proves someone is a loser like what's your favorite food and I was like sour cream. Who's your favorite band? My Rab I kid is Eugene Mervyn. Welcome back to Bullseye. It's nice to talk to you. Thank you very much for having me. Are you talking to me from Cape Cod I am? I'm on Cape Cod right now. In my home talking to you you have to Cape Cod of few years ago. It's an unusual show-business destination How did you end up living there? I I now only focused on recreating one crazy summer. So it's a very move so at the time. Now I don't know twenty fourteen or so my wife and I bought a house here on Cape Cod with sort of the idea that one to be able to see family who's in Massachusetts More to be closer to family. And then when we moved here full-time from Brooklyn which was you know. Probably actually half a year after that. It was with the idea that we would eventually be in the Boston area And sort of split time in we are. I am with my son Partially in Somerville now. Was there a reason that you ended up committing to it fulltime? Yeah it was. I mean there were several reasons. One was that That Katie had terminal cancer and we wanted to be near family That we also wanted to have a son and a child who turned out to be a son It just made sense since we had bought a house on Cape to live in that house and be closer to family so it was a decision to be near family and also not far from where she was going to get treatment which was in Boston and then eventually to be in the Boston area. It's both the time to reconfigure your life and I imagine also like kind of a difficult time to reconfigure your life when you and your wife find out that she has terminal cancer like it's a it's a really big change that's necessary but also you know what a what a hard time to do it. You know what I mean. Yes yeah we did a lot of the things that I guess I mean I guess moving is very. It's stressful But seems seems not a stressful in comparison to terminal cancer. That's very fair. Yeah Yeah I mean yeah. There's like a list of things are stressful. We did a lot of them. We really tried to tick off all the stuff. The could stress people out the one thing that we never got to together was the pandemic. Yeah it's tough. How are you holding up? I am not a fan of the pandemic. I'LL BE HONEST. I'm doing okay but I don't like it and I look forward to it being over in. I don't know one to eighteen months against are the things that you've found in this weird circumstance that you weren't expecting to find in a certain way so much of what we were doing before doing on the Cape is in ways you know sort of what what I've been doing in the years past is partially what I'm doing now. I don't know that I've found I think that right now. There's just a certain unknown like you know will will things open up in two months in more. Will there be some treatments like will are hospitals. Like there's just so much uncertainty that I find that uncertainty with something that we had lived with for six years essentially I mean Katie had had cancer and then it went away through treatment and surgery and then it came back and when it came back it was terminal and her life expectancy was sort of two to five years and she lived for six. And we you know sort of lived month-to-month because we knew that you know that was about how much time it would take for things to you know if she switch treatments or if a treatment stop working you take a month or two kind of to see if the new treatment was working or not and we rarely plan things for more than a month in advance so so in that sense. I think one of the things you talked about this is that I did expect for there to be. You know this idea of figuring out how to deal with grief and how to you know help. Ali helped me. You know and then it's like now we're sort of in a similar situation where it's you know again sort of month-to-month except it's because of a pandemic do you have other family with us or just the two of you we have is on the Cape. Our our our nanny is is here and she's at home corentin with her daughter but but she comes and helps so I don't have any I mean there's family in Massachusetts but I'm it's basically are are sort of little bubble I mean even just just to have a person comes sometimes. It feels like a big difference to me. Having person come sometimes is is is incredible. It is yeah no it's It is great Yeah I think that you know if these energy of like this too dour way but yes probably get less our eventually just sort of ended up. Starting I don't know it's just GonNa be like people. Were like. The idea of people driving aimlessly in their cars being like I was already depressed like this is not helping. I met this interview. This was a comedy show. And don't you have one like what's one nice thing that's happened in? Nothing piece in there is none. No but I have been cooking a lot Because I'm not allowed to go anywhere because of the pandemic I mean I like cooking. I mean I've been I mean successfully Looking up local farms and I found one. Not Far Away that delivers so I've today. I got some sausage and chicken hearts in eggs. I'm not a lunatic But that's what they had but it so I'm doing fun. Projects like ordering chicken hearts and fake. Imagine also figuring out what you do with chicken hearts. Oh you know you grill them. I didn't have. I didn't have chicken recipe that I knew offhand though I've made them before one of the stories in your documentary started as a joke. Which is nominally about the comedy festival that you put on for a decade Eugene Merman. Comedy Festival it started as a joke being reference to the fact that the festival itself started as a joke is that you're a comedian. Who has always done on goofy material? That is not about you personally. Become very much comes from your personal perspective but is not a lot of stories about the life of Eugene Merman in Eugene Merman. Bit unless you you know started writing ridiculous letters to someone and seeing what the replies would be or something. One of the stories in this is in this final festival. You're you're actually working on a little bit of material that is both that and also about this real thing that you were living through your wife's illness how did how did it change your working life. When you're when your wife was sick enough that it was like Gosh everyday counts. Also you know you're a professional comedian. You work the road for living. Yeah I mean to a degree in the truth. Is Mike career involved a lot of different things so anything from recording Bob's Burgers to during doing stand up to you know I did a podcast for awhile. In the truth is I sort of adjusted things and also once our son was born you know I- towards significantly less because I was you know basically the primary caretaker you know. I would do stand up lake. I mean I I would. I would do some stop some stuff locally or I would you know I would sort of like I did the longest thing. I did was a tour for a few for three and a half weeks in the UK with with flight of the conchords. Now maybe two years ago and other than that I did very few shows actually or would do little stints here and there you know we. We tried to mean again at every given point. You're just trying to make the best decision you can. So why toward a great deal less and was home a lot more? But you know part of that Wilson Moving to Cape Cod that that was sort of the expectation anyway. Was it harder for you to find space in your life or defined space in your life to be a goof and generate the kind of goofy stuff that you do on stage well part of it. Is that everything you know? It's true that my standup isn't necessarily that personal always but was sort of about things happening in my life and then so much of my life had increasingly become about sort of you know having cancer be part of it that it felt like it was in there were funny things and things to joke about in. Katie and I joked about lots of things you know you know there was also in twenty fifteen. I put out an album that was nine volumes and a lot of ridiculous stuff and we were recording it in two friends matt savage in Christian recorded in Boston and it had a lot of really really silly things ought of things so in that sense it was an outlet for doing really silly stuff during this time and then yet I mean I think that you just found different outlets but yes I was. I mean it was just sort of focused on being at home more than you know Stand up why do you think you spent a lot of time and effort in the last few years especially together a comedy festival. That was not by all accounts not particularly profitable. And maybe the maybe. The math didn't Stack up if you're matching dollars. Two minutes why was it important to you I mean in general. I think community always been important to me and you know working with friends and so Julian I love doing it but she had lived moved to Massachusetts tonight also moved to Massachusetts in so it you know I think became. I think we'd basically did the festival. Maybe twice ten three times when we weren't living in New York. I mean me certainly. I think that we had sort of had this idea of doing it For ten years. I think once we store started doing it. What was sorry. It was the question why why we keep doing get. I think we only did it two more times after we left and also just everyone was leaving. It was really fun. I mean I mean the answer really is that it was very very enjoyable. It was wonderful to see people and friends and work with friends on stuff and it was lovely to go back to New York and in put on these shows and see people so you know but but as everyone moved to. La In his we left. It became increasingly harder. At one point there were very few flights booked in very little travel and very few accommodations. But then you know eventually. We added accommodations and travel for us. And you know there were just a lot of logistics aside from all the sort of silly stuff we would do so you know. The reason we kept doing it was because it was enjoyable than the reason we stopped is because it wasn't exactly feasible in our lives have become more complicated in you know we had kids then. Katie was sick and it was just not fully realistic to put in all this effort in go go back to New York especially when so many people had also moved. What are some of the? Silliest things that you did it a festival that you are happy that you did We had so we had an eye contact booth. We did it. I think a few times which was basically a cardboard box that I would sit in and you could make contact with me and that was really nice One year. Wait hold on. I one Eugene. I want to hear about the other things but you said did I say that it was normal because I keep thinking like you get it night. Contact booths where you can make eye contact with someone. Obviously I think the part that threw me was not even the fact that you did and I contact booth. I've seen many interesting that you've done over. The years it was that you said was nice like it sounds. It sounds so hard to me to make eye contact with people who come up to your booth. What was mostly that? There was just a slid in it. And you could you know the only part that was Unpleasant is sometimes people would come right to it and just stare at me like it was a staring contest. When the point of it was just to make eye contact and move on I think we eventually some year. I think we did it like three times. And maybe the last year I had to put like a velvet rope or something so that people stop breathing into my I Yeah it was but it was fun because because also like a lot of it was just here people being like what is that. I I think that's Eugene is that Eugene would make contact. We also had an awkward party bus which was a pretty fun party bus and I made a a really great mix and every other song with the Harry Chapin Song and also our friend Theresa who is an actress sat on the bus crying and I had a lot of people. Come up to me. You know there was a sign that said Awkward Party Bus And I had a lot of people come up to be on the bus. It was really weird like there. Was someone crying and music kept changing. Legat with yet is awkward right but it felt somehow like it was an accident two people which was very enjoyable that for some reason even though he said exactly what it was they still were like high. It seems weird here with it. Hard to live somewhere else. After you had invested a lot of your heart into a community that was both both kind of aesthetically driven or personality driven that there was a community of people of like minded artists but also geographically focused that it was like people who lived in New York and especially in in Brooklyn was hard to leave behind What was I think? Really hard as actually leaving the people that are still there behind but so many of my friends had moved to l. a. and so much of the scene in that sense was changing in terms of like for a long time going to shows met also meeting up with your friends and seeing your friends and spending time with them but then as many of the move you know and your life sort of change than you know you you know have a family or eventual family. Then like you know much. Bigger difference in my life was like having a child than than moving to Cape Cod from New York. Innocence because you know I was learning I would have been largely home anyway So so I think that by the time we were moving also by the time we were moving so much in a sense it changed in in our priorities. Were sort of different but yeah it was in a sense. Hard to leave people the end. Obviously the sort of like you know majesty of New York but By the time also like we were coming here. I was like I'm going to if I bought a chair. I could put it anywhere like I don't know if the throw out a bed because I have a chair just a New York. We're just in our apartment was like lovely it had it had the two balconies. There was like a nice deck. You could sit outside. It was it was like you know. I don't know like you could. You could have ten people outside or something like that. So that's like very pleasant and I remember by Bob. Seeing our apartment And just being like. Wow this is like a really nice student apartment which it feels like not wrong you you know what I mean so so. There's just something to like. I have a yard in a swing set here for Ali and like I have a little firepit and it's an it's lovely and also a lot of my friends and family are in Massachusetts. And so you know I I. There is somewhat of element of leaving. You know a beloved professional community behind but there's also trains And we would go visit and people would come and visit us and you know I had when I first moved to New York in two thousand. I remember missing. You know a lot of my friends in Boston a lot and then I was like wait. I can just go there. It's just it's very close by so I think that in general I would put effort into the things that were important to me which says so you know that's that's sort of sit so it was a in one way heart leave. New York but it was also really great to have space in have friends and family able to visit on the Cape more with Eugene Merman. Still to come after the break. We'll ask him what it was like saying goodbye to the Gene Merman comedy festival and what. He has in store for the future. It's Bullseye for maximum fun. Dot Org and NPR. We're spending more time at home than ever before. So now's a great time to finally adopted dog right. Socialization is going to be harder. Because socialization and social distancing Are Definitely at odds. So before you decide to adopt a canine companion during quarantine. Listen and subscribe to. Npr's life kit extra coming thanks. These are real podcast listeners. Not Actors we took the identifying marks off this podcast. Just tell me your impressions. It's really sexy. My first thought is like radio lab definitely something popular yet really popular a hit. Show me to like. Does Tina Fey have podcast or the Marx brothers. Yes this podcast. Radio lab but hosted by the Marx brothers and sexy like shoddy it reminds me of shoddy exactly and they're all writing in a BMW close but not quite take a look behind these panels and then watch this rocket blast off into space. Ooh and there's the pies we made you now. Let's show you the podcast Jordan. Jesse go Jordan. Jesse go hold on. Oh that was five hundred and fourteen. Jd Power and associates podcasting awards. That was really scary. But compelling I guess I should definitely subscribe to Jordan Jesse go Yeah I'd say so Jordan Jesse. Go a real podcast. Welcome back to Bullseye. Jessie Thorn Eugene Merman. Is My guest. He's a stand up comic and actor. You've heard his voice on Bob's burgers where he plays gene. He's also worked on Archer d located and flight of the conchords for ten years. He and Julie Clem. Smith ran the Eugene Merman Comedy Festival in New York City. It was a fun. Weird celebration of Brooklyn's alternative comedy scene. The festival is being commemorated in documentary directed by Clem Smith. It's called it started as a joke. Have you worked on Bob's burgers recently? Do you do you have a booth at your house or you usually go somewhere like so. They sent us like the the Mike. I'm recording now with They sent a stuff just for eighty are for additional dialogue recording so just like a few lines You know to fill in for episodes recorded the stuff. We're recording right now. Or what before? The lockdown was I think largely for next year for episodes for next year. Because I think it's sort of takes nine twelve months to kind of make an episode so I haven't gone in. I do have a booth. We had made in Somerville but not with the intention of recording like stuff for television with the intention of just making weird fun. Things with friends So I I don't know but you know I mean we. We were recording and I was recording in. You know basically we record sort of cure three times a month essentially for for much of the year. Bob's Burgers is a really special show. it's I mean it's for one thing really funny but I think also. It has a sweetness in the heart of it that attracts a really special kind of fan. At least that's my my perception from from the outside that there is this For one thing a lot of kids you know. It's a lot of kids entree into sophisticated comedy but also just just various kinds of of Sweden's just sweethearts love the show. Because it's such sweet show and it's so rare to get a show that has that kind of heart that is also sufficient funny to somebody who really cares about sophisticated comedy And I wonder if you ever if you ever get a chance to interact with the people to whom the to to the show means a lot I do I mean at Kahn. Various random like a at at conventions in general people. Are you know? Send me messages. And Icy people in the world Who say that it that it means a lot to them Yeah I you know I think a lot of that is you know obviously Loren Bouchard who created the show in sort of put it altogether he cast each of us you know and then we together made the demo for Bob's Burgers Over a period of a few years and yeah I I love that. It's something that like families. Watch together and that a lot of people find comforted and they find it to be very sweet you know. I think that's a really ego gray quality of the show. I swear I wasn't leading into this because I only just remembered it just now but you know you were on. I I the coaster the second. An-and another podcast called Judge John Hodgman and there was an episode that you were on and the situation was that a a Dad Dad and his daughter. I believe it was had seen you like in a store. Something like a grocery store or something at the Milwaukee public market. There you go and not said anything because the daughter was embarrassed you know she was. She was like twelve or thirteen. Sure and yet John Hodgman John Hodgman the host of the show. Got these two on the show. They laid out this thing. I think the DAD was trying to be Was trying to be a pushy cool dad and say that she should have talked to you or something and Hodgman called you on the phone and and when you called in the sweet girl and she was really lovely very bright She was in tears. Because because you were talking to her and it was the sweetest thing in the world and you know like we get one we do live shows. We have sometimes kids come to the live shows. Often you know ten twelve year olds is probably our top kid. Demographic sometimes teenagers and they're like always wearing a BOB's Burgers T. Shirt you know what I mean like. It's lease really. It's these really sweet gifted kids. You know what I mean. Yes we're inspiring a new generation of geniuses. Think you might not be inspiring them at the at the very least you're Buyer here for show to watch after school or whatever you know what I mean like what. What a wonderful role to get to play in the entertainment industry it is I mean and also I mean it's you know it's recorded with friends. I've known a lot of the people for a long time. You Know Lauren known when from when he lived in Boston and worked on doctor. Katz Yes so it's you know it is a really wonderful show you know to work on I do feel very fortunate For that into met these people and get to work with them and then it also means so much to all these people making this documentary. Did you feel View feel proud of the work that you've done on this festival over this over this decade. Yes you know Julian I. It's you know I say this because Julie's really she's as much the festival as as I am and she directed the movie but because she directed the movie she could insert herself as much as she wanted but I you know we'd always wanted to sort of documented in some way and then as we were ending it it made sense To try to capture this in Olympia wingate. Who was my manager and now is a producer you know really helped spearhead getting the documentary made and it was. It's you know It is really nice to have this sort of document of both this time in Brooklyn the scene and then also of Katie You know so it's yeah In general it is. It is really amazing. Having this thing exists in the world you put so much into this festival particularly over such a long period of time and I can only imagine how hard the decision as to say. I'm done with that. Do you feel like the end of this festival and the story that this film tells is also You know carries the possibility of opening up for new things. Yeah I mean I guess it's funny because to me Julian I still do stood lots of stuff together so I see that is ending. You know but we'll probably still do events and we'll probably still do shows and you know we will probably start a small comedy record label And maybe do a podcast or you know other projects together so I see that as you know ending because that's you know it's like I'm still friends with with people from with my closest friends are still from college even though colleges over that doesn't mean that like none of can talk interact so. I do think that the community that was fostered in in in that time and in Brooklyn exists and I'm close friends with many of those people in many of those people came and visited Us in Somerville and in the last you know months of Katie's life and would come here often to the Cape and hang out so I think like obviously things move on but it isn't like a clear like will know more jokes now. Now now we live on Cape Cod and we hunt fish. And we're very serious like I. Julia lives an hour from here in closer slightly than that to me in Somerville and so we'll continue to do things and you know me and my friends Matt and Christian Who made the album in twenty fifteen are starting to work on like kids stuff other projects together so I think like You you know. Find ways to work with people and continue to do stuff. That's enjoyable. I mean mostly what's been through line for me is working on projects with friends and I'm continuing to do that though. It is true that I probably won't put on the Eugene Mirman comedy festival in Brooklyn Eugene. Thank you so much for taking the time to be on Bullseye. It was nice to get to talk to you again. And it's been a long time. Thank you very much. Thank you so much for having me. Eugene Merman the documentary of which he is a subject. It started as a joke is available to rent or purchase now. That's the end of another episode of Bullseye. Bullseye is produced out of the homes of me and the staff of maximum. Find in and around Los Angeles California this week. Hey seuss my colleague. Shaved his beard off then kept it that way for a day before shaving the rest of it off. We're all going a little nuts homes in apartments. The show is produced. By speaking into microphones. Our producer Kevin Ferguson. Hey Soussan Brosio is our half bearded associate producer. We get help from Casey. O'brien Jordan. Howling at maximum fund are interstitial. Music is by the Great Dj. W Dan Wally. 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On the Ground with Report for America: Woods Hole, Massachusetts
"Maybe two or three times a week I take this run through woods hole about three miles not ally. Oh. Robin? My Name is Eve Zuck off and this is my community I'm the climate change reporter for WC ai that's the public radio station on Cape Cod. This is the Three quarters of hallmark run takes me pass about a half dozen world renowned research institutions. And sometimes while I'm heading down to the southern most tip of Cape Cod, I'll see mangy Fox's trotting near these ferries that take passengers to Martha's vineyard. Vermont I felt free on these runs, the sun, the salt air views of the ocean. But I don't run like that anymore. Now, I'm out running something running to escape the ear and hurt and loss of climate change art celebrate from this flooding fundamentally change who will increase in wildfire line include production shortages in water oceans have become increasingly acidic as the water absorbs greenhouse gases produced by you activity. For Wchs. I'm US I'm Eve's leaves I need I need some companies Across the country and around the world the headlines every day about wildfires, droughts, flooding, and rising seas. And this devastation may only be a preview of the widespread destruction to come the result of a warming planet. The pervasive impacts of climate change have led some newsrooms to dedicate person to cover it, and this assignment comes with great responsibility. The reporter needs to interpret the latest research and analysis into plain English. She also has to strike a balance between a feeling of impending doom which no one wants to hear about. And her mission to enlighten, inform and report on those working toward solutions. This responsibility, this balancing act can feel overwhelming. This is the ground truth podcast. I'm Charlie Senate. Living on Cape, cod where towns are trying to beat back rising tides with seawalls and sand. Eve. zulkef. Is Finding it difficult to build barriers of her own between the existential threat she covers professionally and her life outside of work. For this episode, we are on the ground in woods hole Massachusetts. A year ago when I was applying for a position with report for America I indicated I'd be interested in reporting on climate change for Wti even though should told I didn't know a lot about climate change I can tell you it was important but could I explain why not? Really? But I do have a background in journalism and thought I could learn the science. So I took the job when it was offered because I was hungry to be a radio reporter. I remember thinking Oh. Yeah. She's really young remember that this is Heather Goldstone. She's a PhD in ocean science and was a science reporter. Ai Right away. She became my mentor. Yes. You were very new to environmental reporting and climate science, but you were so curious and so open. Heather very bravely took on the task of schooling me in climate science. She patiently explained more than once the difference between blue and right whales. She literally drew in the molecular structure of natural gas on a whiteboard for me and she walked me through the INS and outs of carbon capture. After that I jumped in reporting on everything related to climate change, algae blooms, renewable energy snapping shrimp, sea level rise groundfloor count hall, it's going to be flooded. It's just a question of when and how much time we have. So do we abandon the ground carbon? Ocean acidification micro-plastics, musicals I was at my physical therapist and he goes. Climate, change musical boy that sounds boring. That's what people say and you're like, no entertaining bird migration solar power hurricanes and youth protests I think the term that's being tossed around right climate anxiety and I think that characterizes a large portion of the youth across America and especially for myself I, actually understand that it grew in me in quiet and muffled ways as I reported on the environment. The more I learned the more anxious I got but mostly I felt like I had found sure footing maybe even hit my stride I understood that climate change on Cape Cod would mean rising sea levels, intensified storms, and degraded habitats and then. has released a new climate science report on oceans here Heather, and I were sitting in our shared office when the United Nations issued a climate change report. I remember late September. There was an IPC report that came out. that. Does this ring any bells for you like Okay. So to be clear, we're talking about the sea level rise report. The report says scientists have underestimated how fast sees or warming in fact it's Now, rising at a pace unprecedented over the last century, and now a two meter rise by twenty, one hundred cannot be ruled out. I asked Max homes of the woods hole research center had this would impact Cape Cod or ocean levels rising. It's having big impact already on coastal properties on coastal systems and back only going to accelerate as sea level rise France up. So we're kind of the bull's eye of a place like Cape Cod. You came back. Like he looked like you've just been hit with a ton of bricks and. You had tears in your eyes. And you Kinda fell into your chair. And I want to say the first question you asked. was have you ever cried in the middle of an interview? Yeah, full disclosure. I did cry. Climate Change had gone from something I was reporting on something I was living in that moment. It became personal. All right. You can hear him by the beach now. Definitely by the beach. That windows picked up. I'm right across from. Recently I ran two miles down to surf drive beach. It looks like a postcard and you can actually see Martha's vineyard across an expanse of this dark -til. Water. Storms have a big impact here more and more in high winds salt water from the ocean covers the road. Just goes to show that the town had to. Dump all kinds of sand on it this year. Because the so much of the speech has already been washed away. Like I don't know that this. Each will be here. In fifty years. I know it'll be here in thirty years. I don't know it'll be here in ten years. Just based on. What we know about see the lower is in this little community. There's absolutely a part of me that wishes. I could go back to this time where a beach was just a beach. And a beautiful? Day. Walking and running down the coast. was. Just that. And now it's ocean acidification and erosion and sea level rise. and. I don't know how to share this. And I don't know how to. Make a difference. I mean. How do I help people? My reporting led me to this crisis. I've been a professional journalist for years reporting on climate change for months, and now I'm questioning whether this was the right choice is reporting stories enough. Really, I needed to know. So together, it was okay to be a reporter while I knew the world was falling apart. You know when you. Stop feeling like the stories that you tell are the most important thing that you personally can be doing. Then, it's time to do something different. But. The reality is that. Everybody. Needs. To feel about climate, change the way that you felt that day. And Throwing numbers that people isn't going to do it. It's going to have to involve. Story, and emotion as well as numbers. I still have hard days reporting on climate change I ask myself is it time to go build wind turbines move off the grid, get a graduate degree in ecology but then heathers words echo in my mind and I can't say that comment alone from heather that changed me. But since then I've doubled down I ask for another year W C I I bought books on food waste and sinking cities I read too many op eds and I changed steeled myself against climate change and more difficult reporting. And that's where the running comes in. Passing you see. On my right. On most of my runs, I pass by Sunday Oh, park in woods hole. There's a statue there of Rachel Carson the mother of the Environmental Movement. Author of silent spring he's spent decades sounding the alarm on environmental catastrophes to come. Each time I run by pat her knee. I catch my breath there to walking a couple of hundred yards. And then. I keep running. Eve Zakharov is a report for America Corps member she covers the environment and the human impacts of climate change for W C I and woods, Hole Massachusetts. With rising seas, threatening Coastal Areas Cape Cod you might think that flooding won't affect inland states like Ohio Missouri or north. Dakota. Find out what the flood risk is where you live by clicking on the link and your podcast. APPs episode description. On the website, you'll find more of our reporting on climate change and you can follow the work of our report for Americorps members covering environmental issues around the country. You'll also find the interactive documentary the last generation this collaboration with PBS frontline traces, the hopes and harsh realities of three children from the Marshall Islands a country facing total submersion from rising sea levels. Tell us what you think of this episode and give us a rating. Tell your friends they can subscribe on NPR one stitcher spotify or wherever they listen. 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Clam shack lost to rising seas and storms
"I'm doctor. Anthony License and this is climate connections for seventy years visitors to Cape Qods. Nas At beach could wander up to a seaside clam shack when they got hungry. When John bought the business in one thousand nine hundred nine he named it liens after his son? There was such an iconic place. You Walk Up to Liam's in your bathing suit and get great seafood and then go back to the beach. But with ongoing erosion made worse by rising seas and increasingly really intense storms. The ocean began to threaten the Clam Shack Omen says the beach was shrinking by about three feet a year then in two thousand eighteen a winter storm orm hit hard within thirteen hours to high tide cycles. Beach was entirely Gandhi. No twenty foot waves hitting clam shack after the storm. It was hanging hanging over a cliff essentially with no sand left in front of it underneath it the town of Orleans Massachusetts which owned the building decided it did not make sense to rebuild. Will it demolished and in its place built a sand Dune to protect the shore. Almond says Liam's was one of thousands of Cape Cod properties now at risk ask from climate change but to him it was one of a kind was a wonderful place to go to work every day. It's a very difficult family loss. Profound family was climate connections is produced by the Yale Center for Environmental Communication. Learn more at Yale. Connections Dot Org.
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30. Bees w/ Johanna Griggs
"From this is what shall we do about with San Robson? Hello and welcome to. What shall we do about the show that tries to improve the world's less pressing problems? How good is honey? The sweet taste on toast in the morning with that little kick of sugar to get you. Moving waking can often say it's Mak- The be as a nuisance signing that stings and buzzes rather than provides will sadly bee populations around the world are instead he declined to do a number of factors and these is a real problem. Not just the honey lovers but the entire population of the world it has been saved recently in a David attenborough documentary. No less that. If bees would disappear from the face of the earth humans would only have four years left to. Liam is a scary thought. Isn't it so? What shall we do about bees? There's only one person who I co to discuss. Tv host Joanna Greeks from seven's better homes and gardens. She's really into bays like really into the Jones. Greg thanks for Jeff on the PODCAST. You're saw welcomes an easy person. I mean you're you're on all Thompson homes and gardens you do the Olympics coverage but that some happing anymore this year not they see the Olympics and Paralympics obtain postponed twelve months to be perfectly honest even though I'm sure it's absolutely devastating for the people of Japan and we'll have consequences for the mayor and all sides of the athletes who are many of them just four years. They focused on the Olympics and Paralympics for a lot of the midst a lifetime drain but at least they haven't been canceled which was a genuine concern for a that just pained parsipone so it gives them a chance to sort of reset themselves and I. I loved some of the athletes the day after the announcement was made with new diets putting up parts on social media. Guy I we got four hundred ninety days and five hundred twenty four days to Gar- you goals set and that's what we're working towards thought it just your we're all looking for Source of inspiration and resilience and an I sent me showing that inspired and Farrah's Gosh I can extra twelve months to prepare to be almost. It's fantastic that's good. It's just I feel like next is going to be such a good year. I mean these viruses still welcome over and the pandemic threat but to think that all these things that could have happened. These e will get held over the next year. It's going to be an exciting twenty twenty one. Look you'll be jampacked 2021 but I also think it's it's forced over onto to kind of race I think we allies recycle Yonker white five minutes for anything and all of a sudden we realized if there is not solder of what's gone on Not to take the Grad of the things that you really value are those personal relationships that you have your family your neighbors will ever ever resent him for half a second honor knock will give you a great big sloppy case the HAG I. I think it's made a simplify a lot of the things. We're certainly saying trend in people wanting to grab their on veggies. Listen and your mic more things themselves. We've been saying that for a while but I think if anything it's really solidified that thought of just going back to basics a little bit and that if there is a positive that that might be the thing that comes out of it and that Kinda gets to what we're talking about today. 'cause people sold the title of this podcast and they know you and they now you from TV and maybe even you swimming career they might not realize that you are really into bass. He's crazy. Bailetti crazy how it? How do you get into beekeeping all those things I was talking about That's wanting to simplify life. I think I've been doing that for a number of us with my husband and I way we are very fortunate. We have a property in the Lower Hunt Valley and Have focused on our cows and now dogs and we have an amazing veggie. Patch that You know we sort of took about four years to set up a goal to complete neo as efficient as we can be in growing all about vegetables so that when our kids grandkids come up I can go to a veggie packed and I picked fresh produce and understand where it comes from because it always frightens me. How many people know you say kids? I think blueberries come out of a plastic container and that just mortifies me The Passion for gardening which I've always had but has definitely Become even more side with with the veggie patch put in these amazing weaking beds and I bought it from the ground up and it's all being through trial and error. I obviously linen hires but When you're actually growing around proteinase eighties really trial and error in the whatever location that Irina where we massey freezing in winter and lots of is forty degrees in Somerset. You've got to be prepared for everything and the mole that I've been reading the Moroz realizing the importance of the role that as plied Paul. Thirty percent of all of the strategies. Food sources and I decided that my vegetable patch that what I really wanted to do was Was was have bays and say if that night a huge difference now I D- Fran to has probably five minutes away from me. One of my best friends Chris Bath and so I signed her up to obey course and she was just like what are we doing yeah we have the veggie patches we spend a live near swapping produce and talking about what we drink to do on that front one day And we Sandra for these calls and I remember in the morning we heading to it. She was she was ringing me. She was coming back from the property and she signed it. I can't believe you saw me up to talk about Bay's Idaho is I mean. What on Earth Are we going to talk about? And now on leading my favorite pies episode we were. She was just ripping into me. Hey how he sat in the Bay course and I must admit I was kind of going. I wanted to have a fill out to hold is talking about base. We got to five o'clock the I I. We had three books on information. On Bet's we'd have asked million questions. We stopped to have families. They were a whole lot about the people in the sign Bart so we swapping stories and and asking you're getting more information off other. I'm at FONDACO. We looked at each other and we said to the instructor. What do you mean we have to go harm your why? Why can't we do the second tomorrow? Why are we have to wait a whole week? And it just ignited a huge passion for baking but also are just a huge respect for the insects they are uneasy insects that produce something that humans eight and I the more you learn about them. There is a painful a million more that you can learn about them and they just absolutely fascinating creches and I think both have become completely and utterly obsessed We love up as we talk about as we check it in the whole time. You're always looking at me. Have to respect that there. There is a lot of placing in effect fact. You have to make sure that you disease frayed. You have to watch locale for but I think I just this little gift that keeps on giving because Abe night you get so much enjoyment just out of the insects you also get this incredible produce of honey the end and when you have honey stripe from a high eight. Thais sorry different to what you buy in the shops eighties side pure inside beautiful and it changes with the seasons and I. It's something that you can share with family and friends so really want out of an idea running to improve my vegetable garden. Which has happened has actually flowed into this whole other Amazing little world. That's opened up. That's just endless. Joy that cycle. Can you take us into what what you need to become a beekeeper? So the first thing I would definitely say I've anyone was interested. He's to do a course or we brought our hearts to fly high than offer courses online. That you can do because you actually do need to register with the Department of Primary Industries said I need to How many jobs? You've got to make sure that you're taking photos as and you need to know with ice things because that's something you don't think of you. You just think you know based obviously can go out there in the wild and create there aren't highs but we don't understand they're actually placing role that stuff but when you're actually sat Hodson you do nate Nar. Watch look for but it's as bicycling's having a high which starts off with a bird books and the brute box is where you the hobbs that way which a flow Haji have Six to eight frames in your in your base books They basically you can eat Just weeks A timber frame. Or you can start with a beeswax lining and you need to have you base so you start off with your box and you sat with you pays now you Beijing Console you can either catch them in a swamp which I'd recommend the Came before you start doing things that you can go to a local Bay Cape Cod Baraja in in swamps as and I can provide you with base that way. Oh you can actually find. There's a lot of people that actually just supply base so they supply Quyen Bays and I supply base so I purchased for my Be Keeping Club We we bought two boxes. Netties two boxes that had like Mitch on either side. I have about ten thousand bays inside of the eighties. The most surreal thing. You just have to water down the side of it. So that's how they get their water an installed that these tiny little plastic pack which has the Quyen and about five little work days with her and she sealed in in that little container with almost. It's like candy Because Bays will be drawn to to shoot up so when you actually get your box you take it to your box which you set up and you have to consider you know the lot and wind and all these different factors way. You actually want to place your high when you you know. You don't be too covered with trees. You WanNa have good access to oversee You know a lot of plants and flowers and shrubs that will be flowering. You WanNa have a water source. That's close but not too once you've actually worked at you. Put Your Hive. You basically put these little queen pack inside of it and within three days the bays will have chewed through that and the Queen guys right here on the money. I'm ready to lay eggs. So the thing in eighty members based get oil work base and the queen days of fame out And I pretty much to absolutely everything. The idea the bay that you have in your hobby drawing bays and they're the mob as they basically have two jobs one job as when the Queanbeyan is establishing a so. She'll fly away way. Usually Bay wouldn't even be aware of it. Be either like a sports field and is drawing bays impregnate the Quyen base with enough Sperm to last her lifetime so she will then got back to her house and she will actually lay between your attitude. Four thousand Really hot days in every day for the rest of her lost two to five days and that happens at one time and joined bicycler just in the hard just to keep happy they help keep the hot cool. I do these little Wagau dance. I can keep the hobbit a certain temperature so that do all those things but the work based tend to do all of the stuff inside the hot the any other time that the dry bays really come into play is if for any reason. Your Quyen Are worried that the high was in danger. Although would be concerned about the quyen. The Queen Bay you can you can distinguish because she much longer than normal bays and wings mobster shorter and that's because she'd her job is just to lie the eggs like she is the boss if they had to actually swap to Guy Someway Sipho and say these groups as in running out of food or the they producing too successful for their on hive. The drawings will excise the Queanbeyan until she loses two thirds of her body wide and then that CI rate is a point where she can fly the rice yoga wings to a right actually getting to to a liberal way. She's able to actually fly. And then I found a new pies. For which is why you say swamps than upon bicycle hand. It was on car doors in the middle of the city that same a Kylie Guy. He showed aside if she thinks. It's right if it's obviously busier. It doesn't suit the now God and I'll keep going till I found to set up a new heart as soon as I get her in a high where she's happy they fat in the back. Kagame said she goes back to laying eggs. Wow that's incredible. This intelligent. All their amazing they do things. Like if the quaint starts to get a little bit She's not lying is politically as she she could. They actually can relate that to each other so what I do is i. They produce the quake the eggs to get the LABA which then hatch to be the drawings will the work but if neither claims getting a bit wake thy fade the lava the worker fade the law throughout with Royal Jelly. And what actually happens? Is the Hutch about six baby? Queens and those queens will fought to the death such. It's a bit. Like game of thrones until you have this fabulous quaint. Who is strong on path on a nine? She's the rottweiler. Laid the hog going forward. Once they found that Quyen they gonNA I kill the other quyen and I put the new craning yet. I actually have an ability to work at what they need in their on. Hard to keep it. Keep it humming along and every bay does their job so often when we're harvesting honey you can be standing rock at the high you. Some people can wear their protected. Gabe you're reach a point once you have you done. You realize you probably don't actually need the stop because obeys on interested in you. That data busied keeping up to date with what age due to produce honey. It's just amazing that that is going with their on thing. Yes so they say you as I guess they look at you. Is this the loving mother rather than a threat as well can think realized that? Eat Ed because they do all sorts of amazing Samson also with the cup in the morning and just watch the hot because the first thing based on flat not anti crawl not and sorry and stay within the hive and in the morning. You that the first little will. Cabeza they send out almost like. Gps trackers and I fly up and circle above the heart and what they're doing is gps tracking all the trees and all the land all the heels around them so that they know exactly where to come back to for their hearts. So if I moved they hard more than a Mesa during the day they wouldn't be able to find it. But if you're if you have to hives next to each other. They might mistake of going in the wrong hive. Because I've actually. Gps tracked everything. And I know exactly where to come back to. It's why if you had to move a hot if you'd move them in the pitch black of not when they're on the hot if you type it up and you'd move it in darkness and I'd wake up in the morning that a little bit confused when she opened everything up again but that would start that process with sad again that be confused but I'd send out the GPS trackers and that would be the new high but if he moved during the day they would not be able to find it hard to see if he did it more than a major away. Wow that's fascinating. So of you on these podcasts. Obviously to talk about your love obeys but also because these are in trouble around the world and it's a problem that I think you're very passionate about saying solve. Can you explain why Bayes in trouble around the world? What's going on there? When I sign many factors domain differently climate we say certainly across the Leah Bush as D- cause all sorts of devastation. But even before that when there was such huge periods of high temperatures We know that base can cope with quite hot temperatures but when it's sustained that label it reaches a point where it causes distress within the hives. There's chemicals paper Las Brian. They feared I think the one thing that you that. You really don't have as yourself as you. You just reach a point way. You don't have any chemicals in your house actually don't base because you have so much respect for them But you're constantly aware of Of what they need and if food sources of you drive along with the hit out a window we're looking at what's in flour and what's as in it since lower and if it's something that you have that united not in abundance in an saying in winter which is different than the hottest season for them to be out to get as much Pollen I we say something Larry Tim to stop and ask people about it and try and identify what it is and whether or not you can actually plant that at your place. Yeah the lack of food sources that another thing that is considering and then you say some crazy things like remember rating in the Northern Territory. They were to bay companies that were fighting with each other that were purposely going round at one stage and poisoning. Eight tenths hives. Sometimes you you just shake hit the stupidity of it all. But it's not just a problem in It's all over the world. It's it's a challenge The whole world is facing because to be perfectly honest. We don't have food As we know it fresh produce without bays and I think I think there's more awareness of that now. I think that's a great thing and I think even Near the invention slot the floor heart which was a father and son who Had A fascination that they taping sabre generations but didn't like how in the traditional methods tiny bays got killed. They created a way to harvest. Honey where you didn't actually kill any bays and your that has made it so accessible and so easy for people that They has been these huge in numbers in in. Harm Bay Capers when I did my course You before cheese guy. They were Twenty people in the room And the the the Bay Cape who are running the cost for signed to us. Yeah this is one of the really great things about something where they might. Easy for people and more accessible for people because You definitely the more people that are doing it. The bitter any can do it in In the inner city blocks in Government House parliament. Has They have hives on them. You've got in lots of business buildings that you wouldn't need not expect on their roofs and things like that you just have to check with your local cancel and if nervous about as you can do things like you can put up a bit called caused by work at the Path when they leaving their hive. Is that a more direct dangled to the sky so that they up and over unite his house. So there's lots lots of ways that you can get around pay concerns and I look. Some people have an anaphylactic reaction to her basting. Respect that and understand that going back to your first question. What else should you have protective equipment? You need a hot tool And I would definitely recommend that if you are going to be sharing your love. Baking these people that you that you actually do cape an EPI pen for kids and adults In your fridge voice got that in in that worst case scenario if someone did get song and had a reaction. I was reading an article just this morning actually written by an ABC journalist named Stephen Small. It's from a few years back but within a mention of an online climb that if base were disappeared from the face of the earth humans would have only four years left to live would terrifying knows scary. But would you say that's true? Well I mean you think about it if we're already get business Polarizing thirty five percent of our third source. I if you had not had that and you look at all of the restrictions that you have at the moment with the virus with Stock food coming in and production and transport getting around the country in different ways. And it's happening but it's just having to do it. A little bit slow. Yeah well of course naturally imagine that that would be the impact. It's weeds people. Dismiss INSECTS ARE EASILY Until Everything has its place in our ecosystem bays have a particularly important role. I mean like can fly and some recordings about twenty k. but January you'd at five to eight kilometers around from the hot to Click Poland. And that can do the math tonight between The pollen they have the nick during their body and they actual body wise they can work out to the Mehta of when they had to turn back to get to their heart like. They're unbelievably intelligent creatures. But if they weren't doing that they weren't pollinating dropping pollen which is way at you cross pollination is I want going for Pumpkin. Flout is a caney flower to I heard that you let God of flowers you wouldn't have that cross pollination and and we know that there are so different types of food. The gist growing list cross pollinate. Sorry unless you had somebody genetically engineering themselves which is a obviously happens. It's just substance. Such Nassir thought to think that it already was happening. Before all that keen it still can happen. people just have to actually know what took out for and had low-cost obeys to to make it something that's viable going into the future now. My backyard is big enough to have a beehive in it proper for me become an amateur. Kepa basically but I understand that. Perhaps these plants or flowers that I can put my backyard that would attract bays. Do you have any that? You know that. A really great for base Pretty much anything that flowers. But that's eight hundred isn't that you could have a beehive on a balcony and lots of people do really and that's that's that thing whereas like until you actually start to understand how hard works and how the base just saw into what they're doing. They really. They're not interested in coming into harmless. There was something smelled absolutely fabulous inside the Not really interested in Looking for someone to sting by basically Side busy doing their own thing. So lots of people actually do have heart's on backwards. You'd be pleasantly surprised with that will not have an option to guy with a ninety five where the bays are actually sting list. You don't get the the massive amounts of honey that you get With European bays and you honey based but you do still get very strong on on a massive fan of the fiber but you can produce Two inches of hunting over the course of these took get that joy of watching how the bays work and how they all have the apply. Sorry you actually donate a huge amount of spice for behaves And so I think that's one of the misconceptions at the anyone who gets joy out of gardening and gets the Toyota saying plants flowering You know having Labrador having you put anything flowers in you got and even flowering gums or wash does mean nice gives a fantastic and I am fairly long lasting and you can find. I think that's the thing you can actually find something to fly in every season if you start to do enough research but I think the one thing that that as a kid I was taught swatter bay on it. Sorta be if I obey God and even if it comes right Niimi it's just it's working at its going off percent Had this is inability to smell. That can say every color apart from the Colorado. And that's how they spot Poland but they adjust basically sniffing and moving on to get to a flower USO into new. That's I have a bay nick. Leisa earrings over people cry. I think they've worked at crazy and buying things have been things alive at eighty. Eighty something that I think once you're able to share it with people and you see joy that I get out of it and as they learn about it and I learned about what amazingly intelligent little critters i. I do think it changes the way that you look at the insect world. I'm a massive nights lover. I love gardening love animals but you just have a grade level of respect for them and I think I think that's that's a great thing. The more that people have of that the mole that actually taken interest in where they feared comes. Raum the mole that I take an interest in in understanding the benefits of fresh produce compared to something that that might be so fresh and how much longer it lasts and also just that incredible satisfaction that you get out of of producing your own food. I it has numeral benefits and mean I I'm obviously on the border beyond blue and Einar for me baking and gardening as a two things that I can do to find gripe balancing my mental health and I must say well Bain and my sense of personal satisfaction. I mean they not benefits that you guys looking for when you go into baking course they just these huge barness that comes out of it. That's a good. I mentioned you often in contact with your produces and race as it better home saying we need to do more stories stories. Look I I mean they indulge me enormously in my obsession with as they. They will benefit from the Hanover world. As well which is one of the things that you can share honey. But it's I. I don't think that you're the first person to discover the demonstrators. We base but I do know the of times now. You got anywhere and you can find someone to talk about. We you realize on different allowed in that obsession but it's actually really lovely. People are as interested. That's excellent. It's a bit of an aside but I wanted to cover on it because there was a couple years ago. That was a fake honey scandal. Where kind of these adulterated honey came out and it said that one in five samples of local honey was actually found to be fake or diluted or compromised in some way had why. Now what is the best hunted by of? Obviously you're not buying it yourself because you've got it at home. But is there a way that we can navigate that? Look I think as you decide if you have access to a one of the great wiser during his local markets and you bay surprise how many people actually have hunting that they prepared to share once they have hearts I would say aside. Look for look for stripe from the hot honey and look for organic. Honey does tixx different and as a site you can taste the difference of the season. I keep five little jaws That were given to me by the flow hot paypal in six dollars from Honey Jesse can say the difference in the color that you get in honey from pollination and some of it all my starts the a rich trickle and then you go down and you can taste sometimes. It's quite florally. I mean it's almost like some wine tasting test where you can they sit there and say what can you -tising? Ken Thais Levin. Ken Different Flowers. But you don't have what I'd say the difference when you have had hunting these compromise it leaves a. We'd sort of taste you math afterwards. Fresh honey from the hive doesn't it is amazing. People give a jar of honey to who just come back and go out now. I know honeys Mint Thais Lock. I think I think that's one of my favorite things with having hodge. We split one of our hearts last year. We have to highs now and at the end of this year the hives of really productive again. We'll have full highs so when you share it with people and I come up on can be kids as young as eighteen months premarital protective equipment on and holding onto it your it pulls out of the slow have sorry readily Amazing Clearer Frame in eleven minutes on a really hot died and you might get twenty two jars of honey out of that but to say someone serves Tom. Holding holding jar underneath the watching. Honey coming out we have putting my fingers into it because it's good quality Drinking TODAY CIA. Justice say that look of awe and amazement on they face. It's just process like he can't be con- explain how much how much joy that just gives you knowing that you can. Actually Shave is moments to honey right now as as we finish. Joe Griggs what shall we do about BS? Look I would definitely say refrained from spending. No more spraying them. If you if you say close by aside they there. Is that too busy base for raising? They pretty much on their On this self. And if you are in the herbal incense way randomly for some reason you do get a basting as long as you have an anaphylactic reaction. Honestly just just look at the sting and tap it out on the direction that is that is a Ghanaian. Just take it at a dozen releases. Much poison it modest for a dial two but that'll be Then not if there's any Perceptions out there but they know these main spirited insects. They're not they. Sergeant told they absolutely gorgeous. You can sit on your hand and that just Leah like big Teddy Bays that fly in the sky and a miniature saw is I would say if you're interested. Go along to a a beekeeping club had arpad is all the time they pay lot mayor just passionate about you. WanNa share their love of Bacon and getting to understand and I haven't. We haven't even phase she. Can you based wax rap sisters so many different things that you can do with the produced the bay is provide but I if you have a fascination at all don hesitate and actually doing always done easy Gar and and I. It's hard to put a a a major on the amount and the the variation of joy that having base gives you. It is a meditative eighties. productive move it. Is You feel very satisfied. Now you're actually doing any of the work And you realize that that we have such a small pot in scheme of the world so a general appreciation obeys if we can hope that that's right. Jani Greeks really appreciate your time and Talking about beyond the podcast. And I'M GONNA go out the back YARD STARE AT BASE FORBID. I appreciate them well. You can learn a lot from watching the election. Watch them put out little collector and it's just fast night and get a little macaroni thing on your fire. We can actually Say in quite cloy State Jalan It'll change world but thank you for indulging me and talking about base along with my husband will be relieved that I've stopped doing as per minute. Thanks to join a Greeks resident crazy be lady who you can follow on twitter and instagram. At Joe Greeks seven. That'S J. O. H. G. I double G. S. seven. She also hosts bedtime and garden Friday evenings from seven pm on the seven network. Thanks so much for listening to this podcast as always do appreciate it and would love it if you could write and review it wherever you heard this and I do hope you doing. K considering the world state at the moment and I'd love to hear from you. If you want to give some feedback on the show at what shall we do hard at G. Dot Com and he could find the show on instagram and facebook. At what shall we do? Pod What shall we do about East hosted and produced by me Sam Robinson with production support from Allie bonds and original music from Chad? 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MFM Minisode 88
"Hello? Hi, I'm welcome to the Minnie's owed. This is my favorite murder the mini, so where we reduce your stuff. So let's start it off. This subject line of this Email is ten thousand dollars at the goodwill, hey, y'all love the show way too much to be healthy. I was at work this week and was extremely sad that had already benched all of the episodes. I was scrolling through to see which one I was going to listen to. When I saw that I somehow missed Minnie's owed as I was excited. Listening to Minnie said fifty. I heard y'all read about how someone found ten thousand dollars cash at the goodwill funny story. My grandfather was an old old school drug dealer used to hide his money and all kinds of crazy places under the doghouse under my dad's baby stuff in the adding under trees, and apparently in close as well when he went to jail when my dad was young, my grandmother divorced him and donated all of this close to goodwill. He was released a few years later and came back to the house to collect all of his things and subsequently to find all of his cash. According to my dad, my grandfather laughed at my grandmother's face when he realised she had literally given away over twelve thousand dollars worth of cash that was shown it all of his jackets throughout the house. Maybe the murderer, you know, who wrote in about her love for vintage clothing somehow found might to be inheritance. Anyway. Keep up the good work ladies. Can't wait to see you in Atlanta, this fall, stay sexy and stick to legal occupations, so that you can use a Bank like a normal fucking person. Love. Why do people hide money and things that can be given away or just not hip? Their wife too late? Right is going on just one person like the shit I find in my purses. I'm like, and it's not money, but it's like, how the fuck did this getting? Oh my God. God, I don't have money to hide anywhere. Okay. This is called. They tested the cat food container for fingerprints high. Excellent, podcasters and your assorted for recruiters. Stephen, I guess that means you to one day in October few years ago, I was working from home at around ten in the ten. The doorbell rang. When I peeked out the window to see who it was, I caught a glimpse of a creepy man and a wife beater. No fucking way was opening the door to that after I failed to answer the door. He cut across my yard to my back fence and opened the gate by now. My brain had slowly kicked in, and I picked up the phone dial nine one one. The man banged hard on my back door and I fled to my bedroom closet. Like a small child, no sooner had a given the operator, my address and told her it was happening than he had busted. The lock open was in my house. One hundred percent don't know what possessed me to do this, but March at my bedroom and yelled get the fuck out of my house because my house is so tiny. Practically ran him over as I emerged from the bedroom, and I scared the ever loving shit out of him. He turned and ran and as he fled through the kitchen, he picked up a plastic container of cat through that was sitting on the counter. He ELD getaway bitch and flung the cat food at me. I swear. I'm not making that up. I stood in the kitchen and watched him get into maroon Pontiac, which sped away. I told myself to remember the license plate, but I was too freaked out and just a few minutes. A couple of police officers arrived told him the story and upon hearing what the perpetrator had touched that had touched a plastic container. They called a forensics team. I wish I had thought take a picture of the giant crime scene van that pulled up outside my house. It was cool and totally horrifying. At the same time, they told me they got a few prints, but since I never heard anything about the crime after that is soon, they never caught the guy. The moral story is of shady guy, rings your doorbell, and Trist and further tries hard to make sure no one is home by pounding on your door, freaking yell, something as always stay sexy and keep a container of cat food handy in case. Crime scene technicians can use it Krista. So I think he was banging on the doors like no one yelled anything. So he was like, great, no one's home in a break in and like burglar this place. I just like the idea that she was so scared in the beginning and then somewhere in there in the in her own bedroom closet. Yeah, she just was like, you know what? Fuck this shit. Yeah, that's really exciting. She waited to scream, get the fuck outta here until he was inside of the house. Yeah. Then like like something came over. I'm not fucking hiding in here. She's lucky the Jess. She's very lucky and it was just kept who container and also how rude, but it's also weird that they would think reprint. I dunno, it's cool. Okay. This subject line of this one is accidents went to jury duty on acid, dear Karen Georgia. Stephen pets in twenty twelve. I graduated from Illinois state university and moved in with my boyfriend now has been the same day. He had been staying with his dad in Indiana. So we found an apartment near in near by Valparaiso probably not Indiana. We were young and without children. So we participated in a lot of partying after living there for three years. I was selected for Jerry duty being a lifelong to crime fan. I took the calling very seriously. I read the instructions surly and was prepared to arrive at the courthouse on Monday morning this Saturday before it was supposed to go, my boyfriend and I went to Chicago to look for parts as we were planning on moving back home. We ended up finding the perfect place and sign the paperwork day that afternoon. We decided to celebrate the new apartment by taking some s no, of course. The jury did you on was on the forefront of my mind. So I figured take the acid now trip through the night returned to normal Sunday arrived Monday morning, ready to go. First. My plan worked by Sunday evening. I was no longer chipping. The only problem was that I couldn't fall asleep so to solve this problem, I took to sleeping pills on pesto. I woke up Monday morning, feeling exhausted and just not myself for some reason. I bypass the business casual outfit laid out, put on jeans and sneakers and showed up with what they're. By this time, I'd realize that I just needed to focus on getting through the day and taking the sleeping pills was maybe not the best idea. I was directed to a room to wait for instructions. A woman with a flowery dress walked in and began telling us how the day was going to go. I was staring at her dress and trying really hard to focus on what she was saying. When all of a sudden the flowers are dressed started moving. I shifted my gaze to the floor and then the geometric pattern. That geometric metric pattern was also moving yet this sleeping pills that somehow made me start to trip again, and I was about to enter a courtroom by the time we made it to the jury box woken up and was ready to participate. The case was about someone who was being accused of selling heroin and the cops, these confidential informants to charge him. Let me say right now that I don't support the sale of heroin being that I was on drugs. I wasn't processing things normally for the thirty minutes that I was in court in the courtroom before the judge asked me to leave. I'm energ- to tell the prosecution that confidential informants or snitch. I believe. I believe I said, you mean snitch is that I don't trust the police and that I made a small speech about the heroine epidemic. That part's not bad, but totally not appropriate at the time somehow I got myself home passed out in the middle of my living room floor on top of my laptop, stay sexy and don't take drugs before jury duty, and it signed your fan page. My shoes flag now like her name slag as someone to watch the idea that there must have been a point in like her standing up and giving speedy, ah, where she came to talking. Yeah, because the decision to stand up and make a speech was not a con. No, there's just no started happening. And then it's like what the fun doing. I'm talking about snitch is you're ruining your. Holy shit. This one is. The time, my friends, elderly neighbor got arrested, and there's a photo that I think Stephen is going to pull up. Okay. This is the story when my friends, elderly neighbor got arrested. So my friend and I grew up on Cape Cod in town called Yar miss at they spelled it out for me. Thank you at the time. My friends parents had just decided to move out of her childhood home and move to Florida under the kids were living there at the time. But her youngest sister who was in her mid twenties at the time move back in while her parents were figuring out what to do with the house. Cape Cod has the highest per capita elderly population in the state. So her sister thought nothing of the old guy that lived next door until one day. She hears some commotion at size and sees cops in swat team members and such surrounding this old guys house. So naturally she goes out to investigate. I guess the cops had to tell her several times to go inside because it wasn't safe. And she said something like, it's my property. I can be out here, but eventually she goes inside, don't. Don't go out there. So once the old man came out of his house and finally surrendered to the police, it turned out that this old man was no old man at all, who's really thirty one year old who had been hiding from the police for four months. He was wanted for drug trafficking charges, but instead of leaving town, he decided to wear a movie grade old man mask and stay in town. Oh way. I'm not sure how the cups fade out. It was him. Maybe someone ratted him out or something, but it actually wound up being national news which he thought was hilarious. After all this. This now semi famous picture see below for Stephen of this mugshot next to a photo of him wearing the old guy mass was was his Facebook profile picture for awhile. Let me see. Holy. No, like a troll troll. It's now an important part of the local folklore. Stay sexy and trust. No one, not even your elderly neighbors, Keira. This guy looks like he was on Gilligan's island and its Gilligan's island old man makeup? Yes, it's not good. It's he looks proud of its. It's nice of her to say movie grade. But it's insulting to movie. To. I mean, you know what it is. I bet you. He look, he, that's a false knows for sure. And I bet you he like looked at something online. Yeah, yeah. It looks like a ma'am man for sure though. Yeah, it's not. It's not a great job. He probably don't download it as picture into a like Benjamin style app or it's like, what would you look like? Super old and then did some kind of makeup thing on that Honey, kind of fun to like walk around town, like, man, people treat you differently, probably. That's right. It's like a real Tyra banks in the fat suit social experiment. That's right. Inspired by mid century. Modern and Scandinavian. Simplicity article is an online only furniture company that offers beautiful. Awesome furniture. Why online? 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They decided to place a breathing tube, which is standing procedure with this standard procedure with this type of thing. The moment after pushing the meds to intubate. The patient began screaming hysterically, but since the Mets at been given, they had to intubate anyway this, they sent the patient to a full body scan, but nothing was found the social worker thought that the patient looked familiar and said that she would investigate. Meanwhile, my wife sent the patient to the ICU and one on with her shift as the end of shift, she went back to the social worker to follow up and it turns out this patient has Munchhausen's when talking to the police, this woman was never even in the car. It turns out this bitch was walking down the street witnessed a car accident and then threw herself into the nearby Bush. It was the. When when we most arrived, she played dead pretending to be unconscious and EMS assume she was jetted from the car. The whole time, the nurses and doctors were evaluating her. She was awake. Oh my God. My wife has demanded that from the ambulance, ride trauma admission to ER and the ICU stay. It cost her thirty thousand dollars in medical expenses. Love you, Erin. My. Awful. How sad, though? It's terrible. It's terrible, but I what I'm laughing at because I should explain why so hard. Just the coincidence that a person with Munchhausen's is walking down the street when a terrible I mean you roll over and is a huge thing. And the first thing she thinks I'm going to dive into the bushes and get me a piece of this, and it's like, oh, you might get fucked up from this more than you and well, I have a car accident one to a little bit, but it's light hearted. Still don't worry. Oh my God. This was called MFN, Minnesota number twenty. Seven update lighthearted. Hello, MFM team. You read my submission about my EMT dad back on Minnesota number twenty, seven, and I thought I would provide us update a small refresher when I was a kid. We had come upon a flipped over minivan on the side of the desolate road with the mom and several children trapped inside. I was a bit fuzzy on the details, but I remembered my dad coming back to the car covered in blood after performing life, saving measures casual. After that episode aired I told my bro- to listen. And once he finished, he messaged me, wait, you didn't even tell them the best part. And then she says, what best part? So my brother went to tell me that, yes, everyone in the car survived. Somehow the woman was able to get my dad's contact info and sent him a Christmas card every year, giving him up dates about the kids and continually thanking them for saving their lives on one year. She sent him a small guardian angel pin that my dad put in his truck cut two years later, my dad and my brother get into a horrific car accident near our home. Home, the truck was T-Bone and completely totaled. Fortunately, my dad and my brother walked away without a scratch. Whoa. Yeah. My dad was really upset as he was able to get the pin out of the car before I went away to whatever smash up cars go. But I'm one hundred percent sure that this was a butt load of good karma coming back his way for saving that whole family years prior just wanted to give us an update. Can't wait for my RAD dad walk me down the aisle next month. He truly is the best, say sexy, make sure to cross reference your stories with your siblings cement and then them to a podcast. So Janna, that's hilarious. Wow. Oh, thank God. They lived. I mean, how most of the car accidents the man, they're the worst, so bad hate them. Well, send us your shit tennis year. 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1.15 The Mayflower Compact
"Hello. And welcome to the political history of the United States episode one point fifteen the Mayflower combat. Picking up from where we last left off two weeks ago, we had left our settlers hanging out as they began their journey across the Atlantic. This week we are going to pick up with our pilgrims as they make their way across the Atlantic to their new homes, we are gonna spend much of this week focusing on what is often seen as one of the first political documents formed in the North American colonies, specifically the Mayflower compact, the Mayflower compact is often portrayed as this early example of the democratic ideals that will come to find the struggles of the future United States today. I'm gonna focus on some of those early politics amongst the pilgrims. We are going to spend some time looking at the myth of the Mayflower compact and how it is portrayed today. We are going to look at the document itself. And what it did in reality. Finally, we're going to turn back to the Mayflower compact and tried to dissect where the legend surrounded it actually comes from. So then without further delay. Let's just dive right back into our story. Every single year thousands of American school children. Learn about the Mayflower typically around thanksgiving time, we'll Jamestown did proceed Plymouth buy some thirty years. It is the Mayflower that is often presented as being that inaugural trip to the new world for journey that is so central to the majority of the United States. We know shockingly little about it. In fact, most everything that we know about the journey itself comes from William Bradford's writing. And even then Bradford himself is surprisingly quiet on the journey. Ran into the conditions onboard. Bradford does make a brief mention of the combined group now aboard the Mayflower before discussing the general health aboard the ship. There is a mention this. He cygnus was a constant problem and Bradford as always takes the time to tell a charming tale of these special work of God's providence. I'm just gonna go ahead and quote Bradford directly here because frankly, he tells the story better than I ever could. And just a note, you might notice that over the next couple episodes. There is going to be a sharp. Crease in me reading quotes. This isn't really something. I plan to do long term. But when it comes to Plymouth, we are lucky enough to have two excellent primary sources we have Bradford's of Plymouth plantation, which is what I'm about to quote from. And we also have Bradford and Edward winslow's writing in more relations. So as I said don't be shocked when you start hearing an increasing number of quotes for me. I don't think this is going to be long term kind of deal. But let's use what we've got. Okay. Returning to William Bradford talking about conditions on the Mayflower. He says it was a proud and very profane. Young man, one of the seamen a lessee able body which made him all the more haunting e would always become acting on the poor people in their cygnus, cursing them daily with grievous exhortations and did not let to tell them that he hoped to help cast half of them overboard before they came to their journeys in and to make Mary with what they have. And if they were jelly reproved, he would curse and swear most. Bitterly. But it please God before they came half seas over to this young man with a grievous disease of which he died in a desperate manner. And so was himself. The first was thrown overboard, thus his curses light on his own head. And it was an astonishment to all his fellows for they noted. It it had to be the just hand of God upon him. So yeah, that's pretty uplifting story, I bring it up for a couple of reasons I it does give some insight into the state of things aboard the Mayflower. It clues us in that. There was some amount of disease on board. And that death was an actual risk. It's also a good insight into the group itself and gives a working idea of the inner thoughts of Bradford all in all gives us at least some picture of life and the tensions aboard the Mayflower beyond. Just some joyous. Talk of the ships leading jerk getting sick dine in being thrown overboard. Braford? Would also write about what you would probably expect. There's a lot of talk about the dangerous crosswinds seasick. Kness and the general misery that existed onboard Bradford routinely writes about how the settlers survived and kept going forward in the name of God. It is interesting to note that for the most part there isn't much talk about widespread, death and disease. So well, we know that at least one guy did succumb to illness. And it is probably not out of the question that the conditions on board were unless insanitary there does not really seem to be a widespread dying be on. However, there really isn't a ten that we know about the journey itself. Bradford spends only two pages reading about the Mayflower. However through him. We do get an idea of those conditions on November sixteen twenty the Mayflower encountered Cape Cod. Cape Cod was not in a no place upon its discovery. John Smith had founded and named Cape James, however, by the time pilgrim, Scott there the Cape Cod. Name was pretty much accepted. Fishermen had named the area for the large number of cod in the valuable fishing waters. Right off the coast, the journey full had taken sixty. Five days and had landed the pilgrims just in time to face a potential New England winter the first problem that the pilgrims had upon arriving is that they were in the wrong place. Now originally they had planned to set up camp closer to the mouth of the Hudson. Hosver they were a ways north of that. In fact, the settlers were moving towards the Hudson because they didn't actually hold a pattern to settle land in Cape Cod. The ship's captain Christopher Jones recognizing. This fact did attempt to make his way south to the mouth of the Hudson where they were supposed to be however would conditions of the passengers now declining dangerous and uncharted shores and uncooperative wind Jones made the call to return and settle Cape Cod to say that these settlers were upset about this decision would be an understatement. This entire experience began to show a series divide between the pilgrims as discussed previously. The group from Leiden only made up about half of the new settlers the other half was a mixed group of strangers who were. Coming to the new world for their own reasons. The group of strangers or people not from the leading congregation included people such as Christopher Jones. Also among them was even Hopkins who had a reputation for being constantly problematic. Therefore factionalism the Ganda pose a serious concern for the passengers aboard the Mayflower now going back for a moment. One of the biggest concerns was what I had just mentioned a moment ago. The colonists were no longer going to settle the land near the mouth of the Hudson. But rather were moving back towards Cape Cod. The pattern that they had to settle the west Pacific led designated the land that they were allowed to settle and Cape Cod was not part of it. This means that the patent that they were operating under had in their eyes. Become void understanding that these survival of the colony required some kind of a general charter the decision was made to form a compact between the passengers onboard the Mayflower that will control how the colony would function. The thought was that. This would also grant the colonists the legitimacy that they. Needed to operate in the absence of an official, Royal patent. The Mayflower compact is one of those things that is part of the mythology of the United States. This is the origin story of politics in the United States. The Mayflower compact is Peter Parker getting bit by that spider. At least that is how it is often portrayed. So for the rest of this episode. We are going to spend our time looking at the Mayflower compact, I'm going to look at the compact from three different points of view. I I'm going to look at the mythological agreement going to focus on the popular portrayal, and how it is taught to those of us growing up in the United States second. I'm going to look at the actual document itself. What was included and how it function and then finally going to spend some time looking at just where the legend comes from for those of us in the United States. The Mayflower compact is something that we learn about when we are very young. And typically when we first learn about the pilgrims. It is. Raided many ways as the origin of American democracy. The story is typically taught that the pilgrims realizing the importance of Representative government decided to come together M form one that would function in the new land the idea plays well into how Americans like view themselves as we discussed back drain Jamestown, the popular way that things are taught is that the pilgrims came to the United States to escape persecution from tyranny in that fashion, the Mayflower compact fits very nicely into the story the pilgrims escaping the tyranny of England established early constitution steeped in the ideals of democracy. If those very nicely into the American story, and it shows the pilgrims from the very moment that they came across the Atlantic where doing so with the ideals of liberty in mind, they were coming here to escape despotism back at home and to push for those freedoms and the democracy that was absent back home in England. The reality of the situation over is different the male. Flower compact is something that is born out of necessity in the moment, the colonists weren't thinking about it from the moment that they left England. But rather they were reacting to lending in Cape Cod. As opposed to at the mouth of the Hudson. The question therefore becomes twofold. What was the Mayflower compact in reality, and what was its purpose? Once we have that established. We can begin to look at the actual importance of the compact in US political history. The Mayflower compact came to exist for several reasons most of which we've already begun to talk about the first situation that arose was from the decision to stop in Cape Cod with out a patent too subtle Cape Cod. The settlers aboard the Mayflower found it necessary to establish a charter more importantly, however, the need for some kind of agreement grew out of the growing factionalism troops ended up immigrating on the Mayflower the lighteners and I group of strangers worrisome talks, especially among strangers had been spreading throughout the Mayflower with the decision to return. A Cape Cod. Some of these rumblings, especially regards to the captain Christopher Jones were becoming distressingly Munis in nature. The lead Anders made up just over one half the total group of the Mayflower the letters were without much of a question a United bloc the group of strangers on the other hand were far from it howling recognized the importance of the entire group work together. They both knew that they needed to enter into some kind of an agreement with each other the political unity, the letters meant that they were always going to be in the leadership positions within the colony, however for the strangers it at least meant that they had some kind of working relationship within that group. The strangers do seem to fully understand that their group had remained vied into the smaller factions. However, they also understood the survival of the colony self could be in question, not to say anything of the financial cost of being divided beliefs aside working together, or at least a basic level of mutual taller. Ration- cooperation was going to be necessary under this backdrop of wanting to quickly get an agreement in place for the new settlement. Both groups got together and hammered out what would become known as the Mayflower compact despite not actually being on the Mayflower in many ways, the chief architect of the compact appears to have been the pastor John Robinson. Now, I must admit I feel as though I should have probably introduced John Robinson by this point already Robinson has been a key though. Unnamed part of our stories we were back in screaming. He was in many ways, the defacto leader of the congregation and to remain in that position as the immigrated to light it and will Robinson himself would not travel on the Mayflower. It is his guidance in his farewell address to those leaving on the Mayflower that seems to be the guiding light for the lighteners in his letter says lastly, whereas you are becoming a body politic using amongst yourself civil government and are not furnished with any persons of special eminently above. The rest to chose him by you into office of government. Let your wisdom and godliness appear. Not only in choosing us persons as you do entire love. And we'll promote the common good. But also in yielding unto them all do honor and obedience in their lawful administration's not be holding them in their ordinariness of their person by God's ordinance for your good. Not like, the foolish multitude who more honor the gay coat that either the virtuous mind of the man or glorious ordinance of the Lord, but you know, better things and that the image of the Lord's power and authority, which the magistrate breathe is honorable and how it means a person serve and this duty you both may the more willing and ought the more constable to perform because you are at least for the present to have only them for ordinary governors, which yourself show make choice of for that work. The letters had been following Robinson for years. And even though he was not with them. Now, they were still Termine to follow his words recall is well, if you're curious about why the letters has so much sway in the matter when they only made up a little less than half the Mayflower passengers it's because the lighteners were United front don't be mistaken and that the strangers in any way, forty group consensus, the letters were always going to vote as a single unified group the strangers on the other hand Representative much larger cross section with far more variability. It can be easy to believe that we are dealing with two United groups here. But instead, we should look at it. As though the strangers are not United at all. But rather they're just the Dino tation that they are outside of the light intergroup the political cohesiveness of the liners allow them to have more though, not complete control over drafting the compact. Well, the original copy of the Mayflower comback has been lost. We have a couple renditions of what the agreement said the copies that we have. Have are all basically the same with only. Minor changes in the wording and spelling for the sake of this podcast. I'm going to go heading use the one that was written down by William Bradford. I don't generally plan on reading entire historical documents into the podcast. But the Mayflower compact is short enough that I figured that. I would just go ahead and read the entire thing from there. We can look at the different parts of it. And what it all means? So here it is in its entirety. The Mayflower compact in the name of God Amon, we whose names are underwritten. The loyal subjects of our dread. Sovereign Lord King James by the grace of God of Great Britain, France and Ireland king defender of the faith excetera having undertaken for the glory of God, and the advancement of the Christian faith and honor of our king and country avoid to plant. The first colony in the northern parts of Regina do by these present solemnly amu- truly in the presence of God and one another. Other covenant and combined ourselves together into a civil body politic for our better ordering and preservation and furtherance of the ins appar- said and by virtue hereof to enact constitute and frame such just an equal laws ordinances acts constitutions and offices from time to time as Shelby thought most meat and convenient for the general good of the colony unto which we promise all due submission and obedience in witness were we have here under subscribed. Our names Cape Cod. The eleventh of November in the year of the reign of our sovereign Lord. King James of England, France and Ireland the eighteenth and of Scotland the fifty fourth and our Dominy sixteen twenty the first thing that you should take away from this is that the compact is actually very short. In fact, it is just two hundred four words, John Robinson's influence is plainly seen. In the compact notice that both rummaging. And the compact, quote that language that we've seen earlier of form a civil body politic. The compact lays out the importance of organizing themselves forming laws and promoting the general good of the colony in many ways, the Mayflower compact reads, more like a preamble to a bigger constitution. There are all the promises of forming a government working together for the greater good and enacting laws. However, the compact is devoid of any specific details on what any of that actually means in reality nothing in the compact really deviated from the acceptable forms of government that you would find throughout Townsend England itself. I it was a method whereby some amount of control could be exerted over the group Muniz talks were going around. And it was probably a good idea for everybody to get some control over the situation pretty quickly. But quite the Mayflower was about to make landfall in a largely unknown area. Winter was coming and. Flies were running short had the group got an off and split into non-cooperative factions. There's a very real chance that the group may not survive the winter, regardless of their feelings towards one another they all would have understood that they were going to have to depend on one another to survive, the Compaq would address all of this and would at least work to the extent that about all the parties to each other at the same time. It was a pragmatic solution to give the group some kind of thirty till then in Plymouth is did of their intended spot near the mouth of the Hudson with the compact in place. The next decision was to decide who is going to lead the colony in the original pattern. It was Christopher Martin. Who was appointed? As governor of the colony, however, considering that the original pattern at this point had been essentially done away with it was going to be necessary tulip to new governor Martin was already in them popular, figure and importantly, not one of the lighteners who remember now had a majority and who could vote for the governorship. Martin had originally been the gun. Owner of the speed well, but upon transferring to the Mayflower appears to have taken the reins over that ship as well there is no evidence that I was able to find that stipulated who would have been the governor of the Mayflower had this beat well manage to make the journey either way. However, Martin had never liked nor trusted the lighting congregation. Bow out of nurse had suspected that Martin was mismanaging the money and Martin for his part did little to help his own 'cause when the leading congregation ASI the financial records and Martin just flat out refused. Open up the books. William Bradford right on this failure to open the books that near seven hundred pounds half been bestowed Hampton upon what I know not Mr Martin says that he neither can nor will give any accounts of it. And if he called upon for the accounts, he Cryuff out of unthankful nece and his pains in tear that we are suspicious of him and flings away and will into nothing. Also, he insults us over our poor people with such scorn contempt as if they are not good enough to. His shoes. It would break your heart to see his dealing and the morning of our people. They complain to me on alas. I can do nothing for them. If I speak to him. He flies in my face as Munis and says that no complaints show be heard or receive, but by himself and says that they are forward and waspish discontent people, and I do to hear them. So yet Bradford is not exactly seeing the praises of modern here, and based on this a really shouldn't be much of a surprise the letters. We're not gonna balk at the chance to rid themselves of the problem that Christopher Martin had become combine that with the political cohesiveness and unity in voting if the letters were to be able to appoint one of their own as the governor sure enough with the support of the lighteners John Carver was elected. Governor of the new colony junk cover was a very important member of the lead in church cover injured into the congregation through his marriage to Catherine white however quickly upon entering. He would become very close with pastor Robinson and quickly rise to one of the leading role. If you recall, despite the fact that we focus more on rubber Cushman, John Carver was the other person that had gone to England to lead negotiations for the voyage in the first place evidence suggests that it was probably Carver who wrote the Mayflower compact, and he certainly was the first one to sign it. This is a pretty strong indication that by this point cover was one of the leading members of the group with his involvement in planning the trip his lady role amongst the liners and his position as the probable, author of the Mayflower compact Carver proved to be a logical choice for the governorship. The Mayflower compact in reality was not a break with the English. It wasn't some grand declaration of independence or constitution. Rather? It was an instrument born out of necessity and pragmatism in a specific moment of time. Today, we have the benefit of hindsight. We know that New England is going to become the radical haven that the revolution emerges from it's easy. And honestly fits the narrative. Well to force the Mayflower compact into that paradigm doing our puts importance on the compact that is outside the actual realities of the document the Mayflower compact was not a revolutionary or enlightened break from the governments of the past. Nor was it a great declaration of the power of democracy. The Mayflower compact was instead of acknowledgement that of those aboard the Mayflower getting cooperate and work together, they were running headlong towards catastrophe. If the Mayflower compact than isn't as revolutionary document that we often think of it as today, the question becomes why has it earned that reputation? It is that question that I'm going to focus on for the rest of today's episode. If we are seeing that the Mayflower compact has been put a bit higher on the podium that it really deserves the obvious question becomes why it wasn't really until the beginning of the revolution that the Mayflower compact becomes something. No Worthing a decade before the revolution. John Adams wrote a series of articles which form the basis of a quasi history of thought and ideals in New England in this document Adams, doesn't even make a single mention of the Mayflower compact, this is especially noteworthy because Adams himself was one of the great great grandsons of John Alden, one of the signatories of the compact one with think that had Adams found any relevant important in the document. He would have found a way to link it to himself. We see the compact appear from time to time around the revolution. On both sides. The British used the Compaq to show that the pilgrims were loyal subjects to the crown in seventeen eighty we the compact used by the loyalist historian, George Chalmers in his political annals of the present United Connie's there. He wrote that the pilgrims were loyal subjects of the crown and clung to the motherland to get through that. First winter Chalmers writes about how the pilgrims speaking, especially the liners stuck together in face of persecution from the strangers the lighteners understood that the religion wasn't going to be enough to find perspective and peace, and that it was their deep connection with the crown that would aid them in conjunction with the religion. And this would allow them to take control of their new home and traumas goes as far as to come to the light unders continually fell back on English laws despite no requirement to as they hid landed without a charter as it was their birthright. In other words, the lighteners were under no requirement to subscribe to English law. They had ended up side the legal patent the laws of England did not apply here. However, the liners made the conscious decision to be loyal to the crown and ascribe to the laws of Britain bladders, chose to be subjects of the crown following the revolution the comeback had become a piece of British propaganda. The document was being portrayed as a type of social contract that the pilgrims had with the British much more a conservative allegiance to the crown that revolutionary statement. It was James Wilson and John Quincy Adams who are largely responsible for taking the comeback back and turn it into something different altogether within for his parts but much of the later part of the eighties and early seventeen ninety s using the compact as an example of democracy that was different than that prevailing in the French models. Specifically both Wilson later Quincy Adams wanted to move away from the dominant French political philosophy of the day. Both men wanted to move away from the social contract that had been proposed by risotto decades earlier. Now, just as a side note, if you're suddenly wondering why we care about what the French are thinking, do you recall that in seventeen eighty nine the French revolution would kick off it would grow during the early seventeen ninety s before peaking with the terror in seventy ninety three for a younger public like the United States. There was genuine concern seeing where small r republicanism can lead. So it a time where the French were basically horrifying everybody Wilson was interested in moving the narrative away from the French version of democracy and something more in line with the ideals of John Locke John Quincy Adams would pick up the mantle of Wilson. And we'll continue to retake the narrative of the compact after being asked to speak in Plymouth on founders day Quincy Adams lead with the importance of the compact Quincy Adams was interested in taking the compact and Lena back to the days of Anglo Saxon England as something more peer he described the Norman conquerors as being tyrants in this movie is able to connect the. Compact back to English roots hence moving away from her. So and yet at the same time he manages to avoid Lincoln it to something directly British in nature, obviously, not wanting to give them that propaganda vantage back with compact later, the Mayflower compact is going to become a core piece of the Whigs anti Jacksonian rhetoric. We're going to cover all this in depth Zo don't stress too much right now about this. I'm just trying to gloss over to give you an idea of what's going on. To sum all of this up. This answer is this. The Mayflower compact finds it's important because different factions both domestic at abroad sought to use it as a tool of propaganda. The British wanted to use the compact further own purposes to show that the original pilgrims had actually been highly loyal supporters of the crown the Americans on the other hand wanted to show that the pilgrims were something entirely different. The contact was used to argue for different types of democracy, specifically as a tool to distance the young nation from the French form of democracy that had ended up embroiling Franson revolution. And then later it was used to rally gets Jacksonian ISM in the Mayflower compact became currency in this war of propaganda throughout this process. The Mayflower compact ended up becoming much more than it actually wasn't reality. The reputation remains to this day. The Mayflower compact continues to sit in a position where it is often taught as being an early example of. Constitutionalism. That is going to come to define the United States later on the last several minutes of this podcast of basically been a sneak peek at what will make significant chunk of future seasons. So don't stress too much about following along with the different political views or the different political philosophy. This is all incredibly interesting and truth be told is the driving force. Behind wise started this podcast in the first place. We are going to spend eight ton of time talking about the political views in place right after the formation of the United States. In fact, I suspect that we are going to spend nearly an entire season discussing these topics. So if you have absolutely no clue why the Whigs are anti Jacksonian just hang with me. I promise we're going to get there today was just a situation where I wanted to introduce where the mythology of the Mayflower compact formed, and it required me to jump ahead a little bit in our story. The Mayflower compact continues to stand as one of the key political documents in United States history. In so many ways it is presented as that first shot in what would come to define New England as the revolution approached. However, the reality is that the compact it self was really something that was created to ensure some level of cooperation in the new colony and solve several of the problems that the passengers had vowed upon landing outside the patent. The compact is a testament to the cooperation of the groups that did not see eye to eye. However, the comments are viable trumped everything as an opening salvo of radicalism in New England. The Mayflower compact does fall short the legend of the document is even born into Loyd eighteenth and early nineteenth century when multiple sides attempted to seize on the compact for propaganda reasons, it is through this battle to control the narrative of what the Mayflower compact actually meant that the compact itself is going to become part of the origin story of the future United States. And that is a position that it continues to hold up to this day and will likely. Continue to hold into the future. Next time. We are going to settle down in the new Khania Plymouth and look at what those first early years brought so with that I will see you back here in two weeks time when we usher are pilgrims off of the ship and onto the shores of Plymouth until then I hope you have a fantastic two weeks. And I appreciate all you who've taken the time to tune in. And listen to this podcast. Thank you.
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"Live from NPR news. I'm Nora Raum this Memorial Day weekend. Many states have begun restrictions imposed a fight the coronavirus pandemic allowing people to visit parks and beaches. Well still observing social distancing. President trump played golf. Saturday resort in Virginia. Meanwhile many health experts continue to urge caution Johns Hopkins University puts the number of deaths in the US at more than ninety seven thousand businesses. That depend on summer. Trade are closely watching this weekend to see how the gradual lifting of restrictions could affect the season from WC. A on Cape Cod Ginette Barnes reports the clam shacks are open in New England and that means summer is near at hand but as states gradually loosened corona virus rules. Merchants aren't sure the customers will come. They say good weather helps but it's hard to predict how the summer will play out right now. Most people in Cape Cod's vacation towns are locals. Hotels remained closed in Massachusetts and won't open until at least June eighth Ginette Barnes reporting estates around the country. Continue to reopen more of their economies. Workers rights advocates. Say some people do have a right to stay on employment and not return to work. Npr's Chris Arnold has more if you have a serious health problems such as diabetes or an immune deficiency and. Your doctor advises you not to return to your workplace because the pandemic an underlying condition first. Contact your employer and explain why you can't return to work. That's Michelle Evermore with the nonprofit National Employment Law Project. She says the next thing to do is to call. The state. Unemployment office and a letter from a doctor will help eligible to remain on unemployment assistance. Likewise she says if your parents who can't do your job from home and are called back to work but you don't have anybody to care for the kids because schools or daycares are still closed. You should be able to keep collecting unemployment to Chris Arnold. Npr news an historic World War tune. Warship narrowly avoided disaster. Saturday as fire destroyed a warehouse on San Francisco's famous. Fisherman's WARF from member station K. Q. E. D. Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez reports witnesses say. The fire looked like a volcano on the Pier. On more than one hundred fifty. Firefighters worked all morning contain the blaze. Fireboats saved the historic SS Jeremiah. O'brien the O'Brien is one of the last liberty class ships remaining from World War Two. It's docked next to the warehouse of burned. Matt Lascher Executive Director of the Jeremiah. O'brien says if the flames got any closer would have melted the steel beyond repair. The vessels sailed eleven supply runs Normandy during the D Day invasion cheated death so many times it's crew dubbed it. Lucky O'Brien. The ship has already closed the public dude. The pandemic year says it may now have to be moved to a new location for NPR news. I'm Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez in San Francisco this is NPR. Some any national parks closed or Oakland. Only with limited access. The National Park Service is planning a Virtual Memorial Day tribute and a virtual campout. Npr's Elizabeth Blair reports. National Parks are popular on Memorial Day. Since many of them are historic battlefields monuments the Virtual Memorial Day tribute will be streamed on facebook beginning at eight am eastern on Monday and teed him national battlefield will present a national cemetery. Tour Rangers from different parks will recite the Gettysburg address the day ends with a livestream inset in Vicksburg National Cemetery the National Park Service Virtual Campout is described as a three day social media event activities including songs and astronomy program and as a substitute for real camping lesson on how to set up a civil war tent. Elizabeth Blair. Npr News Washington in Afghanistan. Taliban leaders ordered a three day ceasefire starting Sunday to observe festivities to mark the end of the holy month of Ramadan. A spokesman tweeted the Taliban fighters should not carry out any offensive operations against the enemy but should defend themselves if attacked Afghan president. Ashraf Ghani or Oklahoma cease-fire and said the government will from Supra Kate officials in Pakistan said. They've recovered the flight. Data Recorder aboard a plane that crashed in Karachi. Friday ninety seven people died. Two people survived. The plane was attempting to land after a domestic flight when it went down a residential neighborhood in Karachi. I'm Nora Raum NPR news.
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Streaming service and now can be your go-to for podcasts. Greetings, ladies and gentlemen. You have made it to the end of the work the hallowed ground of Friday night, and another mini episode of the work in experience. It's Friday, MO does enjoy the working experience. Whatever. Ninety three north is almost at a standstill yet. So rough one out there the sporting snow in sleep. It's no service on clear of the closing doors. The minutes man, driving should make make sure Johnny that reporting SAT presentation showrooms. That meeting. I've worked makes the dream work moving. Moving. And after the meeting, we'll have a breakout session where am I hot spots? Microwave is. Now. And welcome to this Friday. Addition of working experience podcast, Mattie, K, and John and welcome to it's Friday foes, Friday. You know, I think Thursday has become the new it. Thursday's the new Friday during the summer, not a lot of people go to work on Friday, trapping one half to release this podcast on a Thursday afternoon. Well, people could put this on in their car, while they're cruising down to the beach, which I think. A lot of people in Massachusetts. Cape Cod is the big thing on summer weekends. People have their houses down there. They rent them for the summer or people own them and only use them during the summer. They might use them a little bit during the year. But that does create a ton of traffic. So if you drove from my home down to let's say, Brewster or someplace like that. That would take you probably two hours on just normally right on Friday during the summer that would take you kind of close to six hours. I've heard those. I've never been in this traffic myself. I did drive down there once a couple of summers ago and it was like a Thursday or Wednesday because I have summers off, and there was still a lot of traffic, even at like nine o'clock in the morning. There was a lot of traffic. I had I had a relative who lives in Manhattan has a house out in the Hamptons and the traffic was so bad, that he would routinely wait until midnight on Friday night, and then do the drive in. That was the only time that was guaranteed. No traffic. It's amazing. What people will endure to have a good time. It's like they're going to have a good time if it kills them and their entire family. If it brings misery though in despair in the car worth it. That's why that movie remember that movie vacation Chevy Chase and all that. Yeah, that was grab movie. That's why that was so popular because everybody's experienced the miserable vacation, where it's like we're going to have you have the over eager the over achieving dad, who's, like, all right? We are going to have such a good time. Everyone this is going to be the greatest time ever. And it just kinda doesn't quite well. It goes back to the, you know, the, the modern day workplace like you get these two weeks. A year out, you better in this is an you, you better have fun like it doesn't matter if it's raining, if there are wildfires, if there's an earthquake you fun is on the agenda, and it will be had while it's usually not that dramatic, it's like day to someone gets the worst case of poison Ivy of ever seen, and has to go to the emergency room or somebody gets food, poisoning or someone breaks call or whatever it is. It's usually some kind of mundane thing you know. Yeah, it is usually not a massive event, but it just sounded better. I was on. I we, we this was probably about two or three summers ago took the family to cook. Ceriga and you know, beautiful STAN nice resort. So we go there on Dade to we go to this like beach, and I'm driving in. It's a sh it's a shift. It's not an automatic and manual transmission. And I'm the only one in the family can drive get to this remote beach. I was like, oh, man, I must've ate something for breakfast. It's not a green with me, the kids go into the water. I pass out on the beach. And I start hallucinating in, in dry puke. And then I'm just dry heat. God. I just I, I don't know if it was the water or whatever, and there was such little sympathy for me. Like they, my boys thought I was quote unquote, faking it being so dramatic like met I couldn't move. It took all of my being to get back into this car and drive it back to. The resort. But you had fun though. Oh, I had a hold town, turn the music up. Unlike this is great. Well, you know what I love see we always went to New Hampshire. So instead of heading south to the camp, we went up north because my, my parents, just would not endure the traffic like we went down a little bit when I was a very little kid. My parents rented a house, but this, this was like nineteen seventy four. So it's nothing like it is now. And even then see the thing about the Cape is like you endure all that traffic, and then you get down there and there's just so many people there that like trying to go out to eat or trying to drive anywhere. Turns into kind of night. Yeah. I've, I've experienced in my are my family for years, would go down to Martha's go to Martha's Vineyard. So we'd have to go to the Cape to take the ferry. And then we, you know, the ferry would be crowded than we get onto Martha's Vineyard, and be crowded. You'd have to make like a, a dinner raised reservation eight years in advance. No, it's crazy. So even when you get down there. You know, but some people they wouldn't trade it for the world, the, it's all part of it like they're more than happy to set for five six hours in traffic and do it every weekend. And like New Hampshire's become much more crowded now, I think, because some people were kind of like us where it's like a high can't deal with that. But now you know, up there has become, you know, you have hiking and you have the lakes and all that people love that, but I, I drive up there. And I'll see people with, like, you know, what's become huge are the caravans, the RV's people. Love those things. Yeah. I don't I don't get this. No RV guy. Well, I thought it might be fun to rent one like a month and drive around the country like that. That might be interesting to do all, though. I might get tired of it after two days, but no a better ideas to rent one for a month and just drive it around town. School, and they'd be like Mr. curry you going on a trip like no no no I'm not. I live in it, actually. I just park it on school grounds. And I you know, somewhere in America someone's done that. I mean, obviously some oh, definitely definitely but I see people there in these caravans they park it at the lake and they have bikes and floatation devices and grills. And those are the people I look at them, and I'm like you're gonna have fun if it kills you and the entire family like we're gonna God damn it. We're going to have fun, get the bikes on that caravan again the grill can't, you swimsuit get you flotation devices goddamn get that charts game loud enough. Dad, like dad. We just want to watch videos on our phone. The forced fund. Always is always on the menu. Yeah. And by the time you're like thirteen fourteen fifteen you don't want to have anything to do with us anymore. You know, you, you you're can barely tolerate your parents presence barely at imagine being locked in an RV with them for a week that would be wholly. She's in this, this thing is is your old man has been looking forward to the past fifty weeks. And you are just tuned out soaking pouting. Yeah. Which which starts fight with the father, and the kids, and the wife, which is just so then everybody's pissed off in miserable. You feel bad for, I guess. It's usually dad. I dunno. Mom feels about it, but. Yeah. I the feeling like people do this all the time to do it with everything vacations Christmas, weddings. They had these expectations of this, like perfect day or this perfect week. That's because it's been sold to them in movies, Disney movies TV shows, what the phrase, then I always love that has been uttered on our family vacations is quote, I'd rather be at work. That comes out at least two to three times during the vacation, rather be sitting behind my desk, looking at spreadsheets than dealing with the well, some people stay at home. They just have a stake Asian. They just, you know. Yeah, it will something were so burnt down in miserable from work. They just don't have it in them now to plan anything. I mean I don't know you can go both ways. It's like you know, if you stay home and weekends are like this, too. If you don't do anything, you're kinda just marking time until you have to go back to work, which is not a whole lot of fun. But that also for some people the prospect of, like going to the airport, and getting on flights and getting the kids together and get, you know, they just that's also not unappealing prospect, which I can totally. Get behind. But it's just funny. When people have, like, I remember this seeing this woman she, I think she was on Oprah Winfrey. And or a heard about her every year. Her wedding was kind of a disaster. Like there was a big storm that blew the tent away and all this stuff. And, you know, if you have a normal sort of outlook on life, or or I don't know, maybe not normal, but, you know you might be pissed at the time. But you just chalk it up, it's one day, things didn't go well, but every year on their anniversary, she would spend the day crying. Because of the wedding. That was a disaster. I could see no better way to spend that day. Then sulking can you imagine being married to someone like that, like, oh no, I would get divorced. I mean, we'd be divorced within a year after I saw that. You, you know, you know, I do a magin that's I do run through scenarios like when I see someone at the beach shirt, like passing on the street and I'm like a magin like you just get a glimpse of their personality within like a fifteen second window. And I was like a mansion. If I was married to that person as a I jump off a bridge, I literally fall on a sword. You know, I was this brainless to my this is probably a year ago or so. But I just, I don't know why I remember things like this. But I was in I was waiting at a traffic light a sitting in my car, and it was summertime. So people have their windows down. And I look over, and there's this woman in the car next to me, she's probably in her thirties, looks a bit of a mass, she smoking a cigarette and she's drinking diet coke, and she's on her phone, and I can hear her like she's really pissed off. She's yelling into it, and then she's texting and she looked Jewish really angry. And I can see this guy sitting next to her in the passenger seat. Just wondering, like, is that her hus- or something or significant others? He's seen this a thousand times it's just letting it play out. Oh, I mean, she just looked she radiated this aura of unpleasantness enemies. Like beater of a car. It was terrible car. You know it just like God as at the beach the past weekend in there was. Is there was this woman in front of us, and she was Mississippi can paint this picture for listeners, she was probably in her mid to late forties? Obviously had some serious work done on the face definite boob. Job in was wearing a bathing suit that was, let's say it was not appropriate for her age some there with, with the family. And she is just like Juneau, the Juneau the bathing suits. I'm talking about, like a lot of a lot of girls. Let a women now wear. It's not a thong, but it doesn't fully cover their bass. It's like in the tweet. Yeah. Yeah. So what? So whatever, do it, but it's very skimpy in this woman, the entire time at the beach is, she is spread eagle. Matt is just like every time I pass on my cut, at least the decline. Corum like, Nope. And she's got her, like her fake boobs or like just like all over the place. She just she's on our phone. She's beautiful beaches on the phone, the whole time, and she's literally met the entire time there, she is spread eagle. Yeah. It was it was tough. And the husband was like a cross between like a Johnny Goumba and like a big time, Tommy, the guy Coursey was, and he just was there were no words spoken. He was a good safe ten feet away from this woman could only imagine his life. Yeah. Well, he's probably got a few side dishes. He's probably he's got some yet. I'm going. Yeah. Something in Brooklyn or queens, live over at a wedding of a mutual friend of ours. I was talking to this woman. I didn't really I didn't know her. She was at my table and her boyfriend husband significant, other whatever was sitting on her other side. And she was quite nice. And I worked in the film industry at the time she was asking me about that. And whatever and her boyfriend was like or husband, whatever it was the biggest aide whole, like he was really, you know, I introduced myself whatever, and he's like, borderline rude and was just like the and then he's just pro I hear him talking like she was a runner. She liked to go to these different events. And he's talking. He's low due to show like ten in the morning. I'm already soaking down Bruschi, and blah, blah, blah. And I'm looking at it harder like why like I see this very often? I a very nice of who's the biggest idiot, and he was kind of a slob. And on top of it. All he was he was really an enable. Like I'm like, what are you have to be in all about? Like what you know. And I've seen this rather often like a very nice woman. Nice looking and all that. And then look at her husband at him. Like, do you seriously spend time with the sky again, as you see you see this people in I labeled, and the people who have just given up on life. They've just they've settled into whatever, you know, baseline life that they've created and then it's Bruce, keys at ten the game at one and passing out. Well here, fine. But oftentimes I look at the woman, and I'm like, first of all this guy has nothing going on. And Secondly, he's, he's a jerk. He's a douche bag. Like, why are you with the sky like what what does? But it's always the same. Guy, same personality type like he's kind of a of a jerk off, and I guess, some women that they're attracted to that, like, he's, you know. Yeah, but he could have I mean e e you weren't there when they first met with their courtship, he could have been, you know, the opposite of that, and then he just slowly rest and to more. To he morphed into something and then like, you got a couple of kids, you know, maybe she she loves him slash lake sim slash tolerates him. Well, we were not of the age. I mean, like I say this was a friend of ours getting married. So, I would the vast majority of people there do not have kids or anything like that. I'm not even clear that he was her husband, but she was clearly with him, and they'd clearly been together for some time. But I'm sort of, like you're, you're you know what? I'm speaking of this woman specifically, but I've seen it in other instances where you're very nice looking woman, and you're very nice person, and you seem interesting. Why are you with the schlub over here, who has the personality of of, you know, I don't know, like sort of Andrew dice clay, the reason I mentioned Andrew dice clay this jog my memory, I don't know if you're aware of this. But Roseanne Barr and Andrew dice clay are torturing as. As a comedy team love it. T- maiden heaven. They're coming to the Wilbur theatre in Boston. I'm trying to figure out how many tickets do I get? I know urine. Tony's in Thomson next. I should. I think you just buy a block block. Can you that is my personal? Hell, that is really my personal you know that show. Wait, wait, don't tell me that's on NPR. You've listen to that. Yes. Yeah. Quiz show, they were joking about this seeming like nineteen eighty seven again, because we're beefing with Iran, again and you know, this is like harketting back to the eighties with Reagan and all of that. And now you throw in Roseanne Barr and Andrew dice clay. I'm telling you, it's gonna be a guarantee. It's going to be successful tour. I feel like we're locked in a time warp like aren't there other comedians that you'd wanna see? I didn't I didn't think Andrew dice clay was funny in his heyday. I think it was funny at all. I never thought in his in his heyday. He was massive. I know as was Roseanne Barr. See I was I didn't know she was a stand up comic. I know. Ever knew issues a stand up comic, and also, you know, her, her show, or TV show, okay? Her show was putrid. I find her putrid, I've never found anything. She's done remotely ref- net, regardless of what you think on your ivory tower, she was, she was massive. He's massively popular. I know. I know I also. So now, they're, they're both you know, like former shadows of themselves like she. She's she tried to reignite Roseanne, and then she said, was was it homophobic stuff, or something about Trump laws? Valerie, Jared and ape on twenty eight. Okay. Okay. If she is Louise, she is miffed that she's gotten so much backlash. She called an African American woman, very educated, very successful and ape. And she wonders why people didn't want to, you know, Wanda Sykes. Yes, who is an African American woman. I don't know if she's African American. She's black women. She was a writer for that show during that she's she's, she's an African American woman. No, no. But I, I don't know. I see I was admonished one time by women. I was dead 'cause I referred to her as African American and she's like, I'm not African American. I'm from Guyana, and I was like, so I said, oh, okay. Gotcha. So what analogy do I use? And she said, just black woman, as okay or women of color. So one Sykes was writing for the new Roseanne when Roseanne blasted out that tweet and apparently wanted not apparently, she said, I call the producers and said, I'm off the show. I can't work somebody's gonna say something like that. And she was friends with Roseanne Barr. So I don't anyway. Regardless of all, that it. I saw this brief thing on YouTube with Rosanne now. And. And she's like miffed that she got all that backlash from that, you know, they didn't want her on the show anymore 'cause the shows continuing without her, it's called the Connors, right? Yeah. And I don't know if it's doing that. Well, but look, we regard this. I'm going to be there front center. Multiple cities. Vickery duck. Let's be revised. Little boy, blue. All right. Still smoke in here. Great. I can't wait to see the audience for that. I can't that that's that's amazing that people will actually buy tickets for that show that will actually in, I'm telling you, it's going to be a sold out tour and more power. They if they can, if they can fill those seats. All right, folks. So listen, as you're loading up the car and you're getting the bikes on the back, and you're shoving the kids in there. You make sure everyone has a good time and if your kids are not having a good time you ground them, right? Absolutely do. I would start the morning off with maybe some affirmations look in the mirror. We will have fun maybe a hundred hundred and fifty times to ensure that the day goes off. Well, how many dads, do you think mid vacation, locked themselves in the bathroom and start weeping? I, I was actually talking with just before we end this with a friend, who he's, he's, he's got a sail boat. And he was talking about, they were going to sail to Connecticut to go on this lobster bake, whatever. And stay overnight telling me the story in his he's with his wife and two kids and it with a sailboat. It takes a while to get across and his friends have speedboat, so his friend comes over, and the, you know, the wife and kids are complaining dad. This is taking so long. It's raining like MS miserable. And he's so he like radios, his friend, come over, they pick them up on the speedboat and take them off. And then I was an I was making a joke like, oh, man that stinks. You had to like spend like six hours by yourself, getting the boat across and before I could utter that across he goes, once the wife and kid. Were off the boat. I had the biggest smile on my face. He's, he's like I was in full rain gear. It was miserable out. Just absolutely miserable. Hot. And I was smiling the entire. Yeah. Being alone. I guess just being alone. How can you? I mean like that was it. He was he was alone. Yeah. He's by himself for six hours, which was a flood of pleasure for him. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, just the juxtaposition of some kids complaining that they have to go on a sailboat to go over to Connecticut to go to a lobster bake complaint. That's that's beautiful. All right. Everybody will give out there, enjoy the summer weekend, and you have a good time even if it kills you. You understand me even if it kills you that's the emphasis even if it kills you. All right. Everybody will be back out. You have a good one. All right. Thanks, everyone for listening. 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