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Hurricane Dorian batters coastal areas of the Carolinas
"Now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell good evening ritual and we're going to have bill karen's tonight and also the the death count in the bahamas. Now is increasing tonight and the health minister said it may rise dramatically from where it already is and so we're going to take a look at where that stands tonight that is becoming an increasingly increasingly tragic story for boating warnings from the from the health minister even as announces the increase death ball. It's just very very chilling and very worrying. Thank you for joining the navy. Seals are now are most prominent special forces unit. Their history goes all the way back to world war two but the oldest a special forces unit in our military is the fighting group that started the special forces concept army rangers who trace their history to be four the revolutionary war and i grew up knowing a lot about army rangers and holding them in awe because my uncle john was an army ranger my uncle john thomas corley was born to irish original grigson brooklyn. He graduated from west point saw combat in world war. Two and career was wounded in world war two. He earned eight silver stars eight and his military career after he died in nineteen seventy seven and my uncle john was inducted into the ranger hall of fame and i have admired many people in my life including many people i've known well and worked with but i have been in full of exactly one person my uncle the war hero army ranger hall of famer and a portion of that aw always extends to special forces veterans and combat veterans and you might detect some of it tonight tonight when i introduce you to former army ranger jason crowe who you will meet and who i will be in tonight's episode of meet the freshman jason crowe is a freshman democratic congressman from colorado who won a congressional district last year that a democrat has never won before he is bringing his military terry experience to his new job. He's bringing his constitutional law experience as a lawyer to his new job when he considers the question of impeachment and you will hear the story of how an encounter after he had with an iraqi man when he was on patrol in baghdad helped shape his decision to come out in support of an impeachment inquiry not a political politically easy thing to do in the district jason crowe represents you will meet and i won't meet congressman. Jason crowe later in this hour and that is something. I'm really looking forward to in this hour. I think you will to presidential candidate. Cory booker will also join us tonight but we begin tonight. Were the news demands we begin. We have have tragic breaking news tonight. From the bahamas on what hurricane dorian has already done to those islands with the death toll there rising significantly tonight to a new total of thirty victims and we have the latest tracking tonight about what hurricane dorian might do next as it approaches the carolinas we have our live live report in a moment from wilmington north carolina which is bracing for a possible direct hit from hurricane dorian. The mayor of wilmington will join us and we'll also get the latest from the bahamas homicide on a situation that is turning more tragic by the hour we begin with what you need to know right now about what hurricane dorian might do next and for for that we turn to meteorologist bill cairns built. What is the latest right now. We're waiting to see if we're going to get landfall overnight lawrence. That's the big dramatic thing will the highest. I wins the one hundred mph winds. Will they move on shore or stay offshore. That'll be the big determination of how much damage we have in eastern north carolina when we all wake up tomorrow morning so during the day day today the storm brushed by areas of south carolina and i brushed it left. It's mark almost three hundred thousand people without power but it didn't do a lot of significant damage with the storm surge that was one thing we were concerned about the charleston area and even savannah for that matter and that was okay and we have we can did a little bit. We're now. We're down to one hundred mile per hour. Maximum sustained winds gust could still get up there about one hundred in twenty if you're in the worst of the storm and that's the question who's going to be in the worst of the storm as we go throughout the next four hours. We're gonna parallel. The coastline that northern is very close closed areas around wilmington rights bill beach go through oslo county the camp lejeune marine base there north topsil beach and then we could possibly get that landfall here carter at county near atlantic beach morehead city the beaufort area where the cedar island ferry takes you out here towards ocracoke. That's where we're going to be watching the possibility of the highest wind and so far they mentioned it. It hasn't been that dramatic with the winds even willing to you're not that far from the center but you're wizar- only gusting fifty-five were forty-three jacksonville myrtle beach still gusting at fifty two on the backside the storm but your weather will dramatically improve as we go throughout the night and so here's how we're going to see this playing out so here's that potential landfall in eastern carter county sometime time right around. It looks like maybe two three a._m. In the morning net could have the wind seventy five and ninety five miles per hour. We could get the peak of the surge to at high tide about that same time so we still have some problems there and then we take the storm early tomorrow morning over the top cape hatteras. It looks like by about ten a._m. It'll be crossing land in getting out over the ocean and then by noon tomorrow after about two weeks of watching what will be a historically remembered in never used name again. Dorian will be gone lawrence at noon tomorrow bill. You think that might be the last necessary. Reporting on this. I in the lower forty eight and the only caveat is that that this will slingshot up become extra tropical almost like a nor'easter type storm and go into nova scotia. They're gonna have some high winds and rain on saturday but it'd be it'd be a different beast than the hurricane. It's been now bill karen. Thank you very much for taking us tonight really appreciate it and how is it looking at this hour in north carolina right now. We head to wilmington where n._b._c. news. Correspondent cal perry is covering dorian for us there cow. What is the situation there lawrence just to give you ninety. I'm undercover. We're here. We've had three inches of rain in the last three hours that day. Lose is something that officials are worried about because the story here is flooding. I'll step out to see you can kind of hear the difference that you heard bill saying there. We're getting gusts up to about fifty miles an hour. Now terrible to be honest can considering what this storm has done on its way here and what people were expecting. A big part of the story here in a big part of the reporting needs to be what happened last year in wilmington. Hurricane florence hit one year ago next week and it cut the city off from the rest of the estate. This city was basically an island for a period of forty eight hours and because of that some people have decided to stay here and ride out the storm because they were <hes> able to get back into their homes last year. Emergency officials are telling people to hunker down this is sort of the meat of this storm and again just a reminder to anybody who you still has power power on in much of the city once those winds get fifty miles an hour and we're sort of right on that line. The authorities are not going to be able to get out and do any rescue efforts so important for people to remember for the next at least six hours. This is the time where they really want to hunker down awards cal perry. Thank you very much for joining us live report and for more on how the residents of wilmington north carolina are dealing with hurricane dorian. We are joined now by phone by mayor bill. Sappho is the mayor of wilmington north carolina and and mr mary we just heard from bill karen's that by noontime tomorrow this hurricane could be already in your history books. But what do you expect to wake makeup to tomorrow. In terms of the consequences that have already landed on wilmington a lot of raves and we're getting it right now of course a <hes> probably <hes> some downed trees and hopefully not paralyzed possibly power lines were also come down as long as this is the second time i'm in in a in a year that we're dealing with a hurricane. We had florence last year. Now we're dealing with dorian and it's <hes> you know it's it's obviously i say are kind of <hes> on whether weary but <hes> we're ready to go to hunker down and we'll put our assets our streets as soon as this storm passes now. I know you have a lot of experience as a coastal city in the carolinas align is dealing with hurricanes and anticipation canes but did you do anything differently this year based on last year's experience. We did <hes> last. Should we just we were cut off in the world for four days because the allen areas flooded and interstate forty i mean ari coming into the city was funded for four days. So we pre position fuel. A lot of resources that came in from the state early on <hes> were pre-position into higher ground closer to the city <hes> obviously we have been going through these hurricane drills a couple of times a year so our our teams down here first responders emergency operations officials always always learn something different about every storm and <hes> we learned a lot from florence and we pre position assets closer into the city does time than we did last damn <hes>. If this thing does come ashore there will be ready to to help the folks in the sentences on in our community. What do you want to tell the people of wilmington who have of <hes>. What do you want to tell them tonight about what they can expect in terms of being able to return well listen to what the emergency operation folks folks say <hes> you know gives us some time to get our crews into the streets and clean up the debris would make sure that they're already down power lines not livewires wires or somebody doesn't get hurt educated <hes> and let us get those things out of the way getting them cleared up before you move back into town. We'll give you the the all oh cleared to get back and you'll be listening to the state and to the federal officials as well as local officials on before you make that track back into town and we also want to make certain yeah we do have any roadways that are <hes> flooded. We we want the citizens to be aware of them because we we lost several people last year where people try to transverse oh rosa were covered and could make it and unfortunately <hes> balser lives because of it so we want people to be cautious and vigilant. Just listen to what emergency operation folks are. Can you mayor bill sappho wilmington north carolina. Thank you very much for taking the time to join us tonight. We really appreciate it and dwayne dr duane sands the health health minister of the bahamas who joined us on this program last night told n._b._c. news tonight that the death toll in the bahamas has just increased by seven to a new total of thirty. Dr sands told n._b._c. news quote. The official count is thirty. We expect a number two climbed dramatically. I certainly believe based on the findings in the field that the number will rise dramatically. I really believe that based on the geography topography. The separation due to flooding collapsed buildings thinks that this is going to take quite a while. I mean the zone were talking about islands in range of fifty miles settlements that are separated we literally you have to go house by house to inspect some of the structures that have collapsed. It's going to take quite a while. The logistics are incredibly challenging. It is a horrendous challenge right now. The prime minister has attempted to prepare the public for the ultimate confirmation and the expectation that this has been a a devastating storm and loss of life and property. Dr sands told n._b._c. news that the next death toll update will come sometime time tomorrow and joining us now by phone is the honorable quasi thompson. He is the minister of state for the grand bahamas a minister thompson. Can you tell us what you know. At this point about the changing death toll it. It suddenly went up by by seven. Is that because it's now easier to be able to make some of these identification recovery's yes. Yes and i wanna say good night to you tonight your to all of the folks in the u._s. In the world who is joining you're absolutely correct <hes> no of flood waters and our receding <hes> prisons are now able to get into <hes> the areas that were impossible before and so now now in that <hes> recovery mood we are we are recovering and and seeing now the unfortunately <hes> the <hes> that exist exist <hes> i am on the island grand bahamas on this team really is happening on the island of grand bahama read the second most populated island in <hes> in the hamas. Go a bit more populated than arbuckle <hes> and we are there some areas that we only were able to reach <hes> today <hes> unfortunately <hes> <hes> recovering bodies today <hes> so the prime minister and adopted signs absolutely correct that <hes> the official count on washington washington es is going to increase one of the grimmer points of news that we got today was the fact that the island's need more morticians more the people who know how to handle dead bodies and help in the identification of dead bodies and they are flying in from the united states as many <hes> as can is that the current most important focus is finding and identifying these victims well. That's that's one of the focuses. I mean we've been doing that today. <hes> getting into the eastern side of our island today and unfortunately we we did recover some bodies <hes> today <hes> however that's just one of the concerns <hes> we have <hes> hundreds of poisons on island that <hes> homeless <hes> we we have about four hundred now remain in shelters a number still well with their families. <hes> <hes> one part of our island was really completely devastated air. We had flood waters in the range of twenty feet high. <hes> some person trapped in their addicts had to be rescued. <hes> we have <hes> we announced shut up feeding banks because obviously listens or lost their houses. <hes> beyond complete island is out of power and out of water so the government has mobilized <hes> thankfully persons of have come forward the anada receiving relief items. I've been are mobilizing to get those relief items. <hes> impotent communities we have feeding centers and the now trying to feed clues provide water <hes> provide those essential supplies just to keep a population are there areas of the island's that are so remote that the the people there who have survived won't be able to find their way to a safer place. They won't be able to walk whatever that distance might be well. The island of grand bahama. I also the island of arbuckle really <hes> how the number of keys so you can imagine tier areas that are in in regular circumstances accessible by boat and in some cases only by small boats <hes> we compound at with <hes> the area's only accessible by one road and dot ruled either may have been washed away with a who would would have debris was covered and so it would have taken some time to access <hes> those those areas because of the up because at the time <hes> but we have done so <hes> by by way of heavy equipment and access those roads in some cases we've actually had to use <hes> vassals just go around the island to get into different different areas <hes> and so it has been challenging but the lease <hes> defense force on 'em officials <hes> i really commend because those so comes down and says the the <hes> stepped up the prime minister has said that we will spend no expand to ensure that <hes> we would began to recover that we do what we can into south population and that's really what has been happening minister thompson. Thank you very much for joining us tonight. We are very sorry for what has happened to your islands and what you are continuing when you discover in this aftermath. We really appreciate your time tonight. Thank you and we want to thank all of your listeners. <hes> we've gotten tremendous support <hes> commanders outpouring so we want to thank all of those persons who have been in the recovery effort and i've offered their help on assistance to us <hes> thank you very much. Thank you appreciate it and when we come back one of the most devastating hurricanes that has ever hit northeastern united states was hurricane sandy which brought devastation like we have never are singing to new york city's staff nyland and new jersey cory booker was mayor of newark new jersey van. He brought people into his home then to feed them to let them stay there and he saw what is always true about a hurricanes surviving. The hurricane is one thing but surviving the aftermath aftermath is something else surviving. The aftermath usually as much more difficult for poor people just like everything else where he booker will tell us what what he did leading his city for the aftermath of superstorm sandy. That's coming up hi. It's katie tur- want to keep up with m._s._n._b._c. While you're on the go subscribe to the m._s._n._b._c. daily newsletter. You'll get the best of what you've missed. During this unprecedented the era of news text m._s._n._b._c. two six six eight six six to subscribe the destruction caused by superstorm in hurricanes like dorian cost the united states billions of dollars in damages every year but when it comes to escaping surviving and recovering from a natural disaster. It's like everything thing else. Poor people suffer the most a report by the national bureau of economic research states the obvious there is a broad consensus that the wealthy can access access a wide range of protective strategies from owning a second home to accessing better quality medicine food and medical care and housing the poor are are thus more likely to bear the incidence of natural disasters. Our next guest has had hard experience dealing with the catastrophic effects of superstorm arms on poor communities cory booker was mayor of newark new jersey. When hurricane sandy hit new jersey in october of twenty twelve sandy had just been downgraded to to a tropical storm by the time it hit new jersey but it's still left millions without power and without a place to live mayor cory booker invited members of his community to eat and sleep in his home in the aftermath of the storm now united states senator booker is a democratic presidential candidate and he joins us tonight from newark newark new jersey senator booker. Thank you very much for joining us tonight. I wanted to get your reaction to what we just heard. The minister. Tell us from the bahamas hamas that the death toll has risen by seven tonight. It was down in the low twenty s at went up to thirty and we're told that it's going to probably rise dramatically atakli tomorrow and i want to get your reaction to what's happening at the book in the bahamas and what we should be doing to help well number one. My heart aches watching the photos and the videos and seeing what's going on there but you really hit the nail on the head. The when the storm in passes the danger persists we lost people here in the city lost lives in the days after because of things that folks often don't think of remember hurricane sandy hit in october. It was cold. People often make mistakes running generators indoors and we lost people to carbon dioxide oxide poisoning people need medicines and access to lifesaving drugs that sometimes z._v. refrigerated well. If you have no power your drugs can get spoiled. There are so many life life threatening things that happened in the aftermath of the storm that they are not out of the crisis yet and this is a test of our compassionate empathy right now and i'm hoping that folks are finding the right places to go to contribute to this effort because we here in the state of new jersey believe it or not have still people who are recovering their lives after the devastating loss and again lawrence i appreciate you on so many levels but pointing out the resiliency that people of wealth waffen have but low income families poor families it could be tragically tragically devastating to their lives and the impact can be lasting an traumatic and lasts for years no listen i know people who in the aftermath of hurricane simply pulled up and went to a hotel a distant hotel and and i also know people who lost their homes had nowhere to go and after sandy i didn't get through jersey but i was up in staten island which was absolutely devastated and i i. You're not surprising me by saying there. There are people in areas housing situations that have not recovered have not been made whole since sandy. What is the what is the government's responsibility in the aftermath of one of these storms. I think this is these are moments. Where we you have to understand. It is all hands on deck that word responsibility has everyone has to take responsibility and lawrence. You and i live in the new york new jersey area. We have seen from nine eleven to hurricane sandy. Where is the best of humanity. Come forward where people were there for their neighbors. They were there air for their community. They never stopped working and i know first responders and the aftermath my team was going days with very little to no sleep leap whatsoever but i tell you what we set up a hub in newark to receive resources and we're getting truckloads of food and water from states around around us people sending their emergency crews here doing sort of joint rescues because we had people stranded it was it was an amazing moment where i saw people didn't ask what party you're in. What background the best of who we are well. I think that's patriotism. I think that's love of country but love should stop at our borders. This is a time that we need that same kind of grace to the bahamas and what they're going through in america. We are one of the best nations if not the best nation often for showing showing support to a lot of our neighbors especially in the caribbean from haiti to the dominican republic to obviously in this case bahamas. I'm hoping more and more americans will think <hes>. Maybe i can't do everything but i do something even if it's a small gesture to help that incredible nation to recover that grace in the aftermath that you talk about i saw saw i witnessed it up close on staten island truly inspiring after sandy. What made you decide to actually take people into your home. I love where i live. I live in a low income below the poverty line community the you often see folks with little who consistently showed the most. I've learned about the definition of grace from living here in newark from people title where i've seen rise to challenge sometimes. It's a murder in the community family. That's been victory over frankly b._s. And so i just feel blessed blessed to have opportunities to return to a community so much for me so in that aftermath i was in the command center and literally running around the the city and i got a text from one of my neighbors who just said look. The power on our side of the block is out. Your side is not going to look. I'm not using my house going constantly. Just here's how you get in anything that you need. I'm going to send food resources so it became a hub. The problem is is that i got a lot of attention engine for doing that because i was a mayor but it was going on all over newark all over new jersey to see the deep decency and goodness in in our country when there's crises that happened i have to say than sometimes visible storm passes. I <unk> hope empathy can often continue to deal with other crises. We have whether it's environmental injustices or scourge of gun violence because we are at our best as a community eighty as a country when we don't let the lines that divide us ever stop us from tightening those those those those those bonds that hold this country entry together and we need more of that. I was in the nineteen eighty nine earthquake in san francisco. I've never seen anything like it before. This was one of america's americans will remember happened during the world series horrible devastation but i'll never forget that was the first major national natural disaster. I was in that weeks after you could go to gas stations. You go pull restaurants. There was kindness in the air. That was so profound. I saw america. It's best and i hope that we can continue especially in this era where we see demeaning and degrading happening at behavioral happening at the highest office in the land i want to see in our country and this is one the reason running for president a revival of civic grace so the spirit we often see come out when we were at our worst can also come out during times of relative tiv- com or without these kind of natural disasters that remind us about american goodness. We need more of that now more than ever especially as you see more partisanship arisen ship or more i would say more more just divide in our nation senator cory booker. Thank you very much for joining joining us tonight. We really appreciate it lawrence. I just want to say one more thing story about your uncle really moved me and there are heroes like that that we don't celebrate and we talking about the right now with first responders in crises a heroism you talked about in your uncle and we don't know and i now know this privy into it more as the united states senator whether it's rangers or seals special forces people out there right now as we speak out there doing incredible things i give honor to your uncle and to all those the americans or a continuing tradition so all the best to to your family's legacy. Thank you really appreciate it. Thank you for joining us tonight and when we come back president trump obviously wants us to talk about his defaced weather map tonight. He's doing everything he can to keep that story alive and often donald trump keeps a bad trump story alive. It's because every other trump story is much worse after this break john howland sam stein will join us is to discuss what we think. Donald trump doesn't want us talking about which includes taking money away from schools for the children of military rick personnel and using that money for you guessed if you haven't guessed it. You'll get the answer after this break grew up back. This is the second prison trump apparently wants us to be discussing his abuse of weather maps. He must want us to talk about it because he kept tweeting about it today. The president is personally keeping this story alive the story of him using a defaced weather map to try to prove that hurricane dorian could have reached alabama. Why is he doing this. Why does he so obviously want us to talk about this this story it's a bad story for donald trump but it does seem like it might be one of those deliberate trump diversions because the story we turn to now is much much worse for donald trump and worse in the view of trump voters and that is the new information. We have tonight about the money. Donald trump is diverting -verting from the defense department budget to pay for the wall. He promised his voters mexico would pay for. I will have mexico pay for that wall mark. My words mexico will pay for more believe me and and who's who's gonna pay for the wall mexico hundred hundred percent. How is the next rally going going to feel about. Chanting the pentagon will pay for the wall or we will pay for the wall or school. Children of military personnel will pay for the wall. This is a much worse story for donald trump than a fake line on a weather map. The defense department's diverting three point six billion dollars away from one hundred twenty seven military construction projects projects in twenty. Three states are being funded to pay for the wall nine of those construction projects are for building or renovating schools calls for the children of u._s. Military personnel utah a state with two republican senators is losing fifty four billion dollars in military funding that will be sent to the wall arizona senator martha mcsally who has supported the president's emergency declaration that he is using to justify the diversion of military funds uh-huh is now watching an army base in her state lose thirty million dollars to pay for the wall and that's after the secretary area defense had personally assured her that arizona wouldn't lose any money former astronaut mark kelly running as a democrat for the senate in arizona. Zona is already pulling ahead of republican senator. Martha mcsally mark kelly now says that senator mc sally quote didn't keep her word when she promised is to protect funding for arizona military bases as local news stories continue to appear in the twenty three states that are losing military funding to pay for the wall. No republican senator has suffered a harsher judgment in the local news media the north carolina republican senator thom tillis who must i survive a republican primary before entering what will be a competitive general election race for his reelection next year. A charlotte observer editorial said the loss of eighty million dollars in military atari construction. Spending in north carolina is quote an eighty million dollar punch in the gut and a lesson the thom tillis never seems to learn the lessons here. There are or at least a couple. I don't trust this president. Donald trump will not hesitate to burn anyone including people who've previously helped him to get the political victory and also when you buy political favors in exchange for your principles. The bill is always more than you thought it would be. We're joined now by two highly experienced political journalists who could surely deliver the best jokes on this program about the trump weather map but have agreed to temporarily leave that to the late night comedians while they concentrate on the issues issues. The president seems to be trying to us from john holliman's with us. He's a national affairs analyst for n._b._c. news and m._s._n._b._c. he has co host and executive producer of showtime's the circus and he's one of the a truly great writers who has fixed his focus on politics and are the better for it joins us. He is the politics editor of the daily beast and he he is an m._s._n._b._c. Political analyst continues to deliver some of the most important reporting of the trump era about what the trump administration is actually doing ninety <music> levers of power in government vami not saying i mean you're the one who goes inside the government in these stories that few us of find the space to cover and tell us what what they're really up to so. Let let's start with you on this question of. He wants us to talk about the hurricane map because what's the thing he doesn't want us talking about. Is it the money for the military money. I don't buy the premise i okay i. I think you know earlier. When i was covering trump i probably would have bought the premise the three dimensional chess and i certainly do you that the military the diversion military funds to the wall is an embarrassing story if anything anything a complete absence of his campaign for the entire republican party yeah because they they allowed this to get through with the transference funds but i've come through observation and reporting that trump is just sort of clinically incapable of moving on from these things into him. There's no greater slight than being perceived as is being completely out of touch with reality and so he's now gone through almost a dozen tweets a proclamation statements written upon maps to prove that he was right about about alabama and what's particularly bizarre about this and why. I think that this is a very bad story from in its own right. He's doing all while our country is still dealing with turkey and it's not like the hurricane has passed north carolina's about getting it right now so it would be one thing if we gone through this. There was no damage but he's literally distracted by proving that alabama was in the crosshairs as north carolina is dealing with this. I meant to include this in the premise. I cling to the to the possibility that it's both yeah yeah. There's an obsessive and he has obsessive behavior all the time but he's also aware he's looking at those maps segments and going well. They're not talking about the the kids schools that i'm not funding well. I think this is the right answer and i will say not obsessive pathological as the word you're looking for. His pathology is a pathological liar. The pathology apology however is triggered by various bad news on other fronts so the pathophysiology gets up intensive when he looks around and sees what all the domestic political fraud he looks at polling where he's getting beaten like a gong in every swing state by not just joe biden but by many of the doubt further down the scale will democrats he looks across the ocean. He sees fred boris johnson getting beaten about the face and neck every day telling us how smart boris johnson and then and then he looks at the economy on me where we have news just this today this the survey that these certified accountants financial industry executives who are more pessimistic about the look for the economy than they have been in three years and you've got data coming out that suggests that we have a looming recession so economic news political news foreign news all bad stories for donald trump and it amps up the instinct for pathological lines. Let me just say it's not like this. Particularly savvy effort virtually no not want us. I guess i'm just making hers. You say it doesn't take sophistication to try to divert attention to something a little bit more positive than you have ranting about alabama and writing over man. What's he gonna go do a rally somewhere. Leave the oval office. Go down to the border. The building the wall there are things you could do as the president united states to divert attention and much more positive ways instead of bringing attention to yourself with someone who is incapable of getting over the idea that alabama may have had gusty winds lawrence points out in his loft around chen. What's he gonna do is go to a rally in the key and the key element of the rally they build that wall mexicans get paid for do that anymore. Be more stuck with the idea that mexico and painful the guy can maneuver through this. What's remarkable to me is that he just unable to get literally get out of his chair and try to do something. Ask other than tweet and say look at this map. I drew on it gets the last word in this round because he really likes the stein. Thank you both for joining us tonight and when we come back it's tonight's episode of meet. The freshman freshman democrat jason crowe colorado is a former u._s. Army ranger who served three tors in iraq and afghanistan says donald trump's plan to divert money from military projects to pay for the border wall is putting military readiness at risk crow is also also working to keep the kinds of weapons that he used in on the battlefield out of the hands of america's mass murderer is he's one of the democratic freshmen who won in a republican public district and who has come out in favor of the impeachment process. This is a freshman. You're really gonna wanna meet. That's coming up when the news began to break yesterday about exactly where the three point six billion dollars military funding was coming from to you pay for the trump border wall freshman democratic congressman jason crowe of colorado was on a bipartisan delegation trip to the southern border with republican can representative don bacon of nebraska. They were right there at the border. They are both members of the armed services committee which has original jurisdiction over that money that is now being diverted to the trump wall. Karston crowe served in combat in iraq. He also served in combat in afghanistan where he was a member of the elite army. Rangers are military's original special forces unit. It was his service in iraq that informed his decision this summer to support an impeachment inquiry and a medium he imposed. He wrote announcing his decision on impeachment. He told the story of patrolling the streets of baghdad when an iraqi man approached him with a problem that should have been settled in court but the man told jason crowe that there was so much corruption in iraq he said justice is hard to find jason in cro. City is hearing that same kind of thing now in the united states he wrote. I recognize that the values i fought for overseas where now under assault at home home i didn't run for office because i dislike donald trump iran because i love our country and he ran in colorado district last year that has never elected a a democrat in his statement supporting impeachment inquiry congressman crow wrote during my tours in iraq and afghanistan. I saw what happens when government officials are you're above the law when democrats campaign in previously republican districts in the west. They usually don't like to talk about the gun one problem in this country but jason crowe ran as a democrat who supports banning the sale of assault weapons. I look at the gun violence crisis and how it's torn apart so many families enough is enough. These are the weapons that i needed when i was fighting in iraq and afghanistan aghanistan and now they're tearing our communities apart when my four year old daughter comes home from school and tells us about the bad guy drills that she has in how she had to hide in a dark closet and be quiet in case a bad guy ever came to their school. I've had enough of this tonight's episode of meet the freshman you will meet congressman jason crowe. He will tell us what the people in our government working in the southern border told him yesterday and today about what they need to secure our southern border. We'll get the results of his informal poll of border officials on the question of to build or not to build the trump wall. That's next and for tonight's episode of meet the freshman we are joined now by the forty year old freshman democratic congressman jason crowe of how thank you very much for joining us tonight congressman really appreciate it beyond lawrence. Thank you <hes> you were down at the southern border. Just as this news was breaking on the three point six billion. That's being diverted verdict from the jurisdiction of of your committee the armed services committee to the to fund the border wall. What did you hear at the border from the people working there about what they need at the border so every location we visited. I asked one simple question because i didn't want to <hes> guide the answer in any particular direction i just said what is your greatest need from washington. What what can we give you to help you get this job done and accomplish. Your mission on the border and every single person gave me the same answer. They said we need more personnel. They didn't say a wall in fact one agent that i was talking to said you know. It doesn't matter what we build. We put a fence. A wall slats barricades. They always find a way over under or through it but what we need is more personnel more agents so that just illustrated to me that the president's dry hi for this wall is a political decision. You know he's driving this based on his politics and his need to show strength or or to keep a campaign. Promise whatever it happens to be but this is not what the folks <hes> are saying <hes> certainly to me as their number one priority. It sounds like the kind of question that if a member of congress found you you in iraq when you're serving afghanistan that a wise member cars what about you what you need is that is that where that kind of question comes from for you. Well what i like to do when i do these visits he's congressional oversight of visits. <hes> i just wanna get information. You know my my job is to get information to assess that information and to make good policy. You know it's not the drive politics in any of these situations. That's not my background around you. I grew up in a family of small business owners and construction workers. I worked in construction to put my way through college. I became an army ranger. You know my job was about getting things done <hes> for my community and for people not about politicizing issue so i always want to try to get the best information possible and that certainly my background. I want to go to your decision this summer to come out in support of an impeachment inquiry. Tell us how you got there. Yeah yeah you know i wanted to assess all the information. I wanted to wait to see what the muller report contained in it. <hes> i read the whole report was shocked by its contents contents. I still am shocked by its contents wanted to hear what robert muller had to say. <hes> some of the other testimony ultimately at the end of the day this was about rule of law this this was about my experience as you mentioned earlier and iraq and afghanistan and seen firsthand what happens in a society when people don't trust government anymore when <hes> rule of law and order in process breaks down <hes> and i started to see some indications of that you know early on my campaign you know i was talking to some folks out on the campaign trail trail and <hes> you know several of them said listen does it doesn't really matter what you tell me and you seem like a really nice guy but i just don't believe this system works for me whether you're republican or democrat and that really shook me human that took me to the core to hear people saying that that type of <hes> apathy and resignation and i wanted to do something about it and that's why i said <hes> recently only that you know we have to conduct an inquiry congress has to cert- itself in this process and maintain checks and balances if we're not able to do that now than when congressman <hes> what is your constituents reaction been to this because as we've said stress that you're the first democrat to represent this district and here you are earn your first year saying you wanna have an impeachment inquiry of a republican president well. I walked people through my thought process on this. I'd get out of my community a lot hold town halls and coffee's on the corner roundtables all the time you know over the last month. We're here on our the district work period. I probably thirty or forty public events out in the community. I need with anybody and everybody. I take their questions and i walk them through. My thought process and i i think that's a a a lesson for other focuses. Don't hide from those interactions and even if people don't agree with you necessarily if you show up if you're willing to have the conversation with with them talk through the issue keep an open mind listen what they have to say be respectful of them more often than not <hes> th th they'll be okay with the way you come out because i always i remind my constituents said the promise is not agreement one hundred percent of the time you know if <hes> if elected official comes up and says you know you're going to agree with you a hundred percent of the time they're not telling you the truth the promises about <hes> you know making sure you're transparent and open with folks carson. Jason crowe gets tonight's last word. Thank you very much for joining us. Please come back really good to have you here. Thank you good to be on. Hey it's chris as from m._s._n._b._c. Every day. I come come to the office and we make a television show an everyday. I think to myself there's so much more. I want to talk about and so this is our podcast. It's called. Why is this happening and the whole idea behind it is to get to the root of the things that we see lee out every day. They're driven by big ideas each week. I sit down with a person uniquely suited to explain gene wilder. This is happening new episodes of wise this happening every tuesday. Listen for free wherever you get your podcasts.
The Future Of Medical Biohacking: Skull Resets, Suppositories, Nasal Sprays, Nebulizers, Sound Therapy & More With Dr. John Lieurance.
"On this episode of the Ben Greenfield Fitness podcast, and then you also think about all of the energy that the brain would be expending trying to compensate for these deficiencies as well so just cleaning this stuff up, you know I guess it's different for everybody you know depending on the tone of their muscles down there and whatnot. If you have decent tone, you know, it just pulls up a couple of inches, and you don't even know. It's their properties that they think that there was some sort of a fountain of Youth. They realize we've already lost like half our listeners. Keep going. Performance nutrition longevity. Ancestral living, biohacking and much more. My Name! Is Ben Greenfield? Welcome to the show. Are you guys you've heard about? How and Sticken Melatonin? Glutathione suppositories up my button spraying plant medicines from the Amazon up my nose and breeding glutathione silver through my mouth, and the guy who is the wizard behind all of this stuff flew out to my house. 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Yeah I feeling the same way? Because, you took some too yeah I did and. So you guys are going to learn about all old nasal sprays, and actually let's speak about another orifice I though because this is actually how how I met John. Packaged arrived at my house for of suppositories, which I think, as of now have become mildly famous, because I've talked about the few times before on the podcast, these melatonin suppositories and I've taken Milton before I've done sub lingo. Melatonin, time release melatonin capsules, five milligrams, ten milligrams and. This this was like a high dose, high-dose Melatonin suppository that I that I have been using since then especially for international travel shop, one of those bad boys up your ass, and you're like dead of the World Your Circadian. Rhythm is reputed, but there's actually a lot more to Melatonin I. You want to get into, but so before we talk about putting things up your ass, and the the select number of things that one can can do that with and suppositories in general and nasal sprays and everything else I want to know about you and. Where you came from like. Basically how you got into this whole world and your unique approach, yeah, well first of all I'd like to thank you for having me here as a guest and for those that. I've been listening to your podcasts for years and very impressed I've learned a lot. And it's it's helped me in my own journey to to explore a lot of things that you might not be exposed to otherwise and to come out to your house, and just see this the the setup that you have here all the bio hacks, but just even more importantly the person you are. And the way you're raising your family and your kids, your dogs or even amazing. Your Wife, Jessica just absolutely amazing everybody. That's listening needs to know like Ben Greenfield's. Is the real deal. I gotta ask you though, and then then he can continue your story of all the little things. You've had a chance to try since you guy here. What's your favorite? Well, so let me let me run down the list of everything I've just this morning, okay? So. So. I've done hyper-baric. Drink hydrogen water before getting in there, and then I did a Juve light like twenty minutes while I was breathing some Nanno V. And then I did A. bio-energy bow charged with bio charge I've done that twice now. Okay, and just this morning just this morning. We did a workout together. I. Mean it's just yeah. We ten, forty five am. And so we'll finish this. We'll get Frisbee Golf. We got a bunch of doctors coming over to the house tonight to to geek out on on more medicine and biohacking. Yeah, but but in terms of your background, you actually had an illness that kind of got you exploring some of these deeper darker fringes of natural medicine. Yeah, well, I started out in life with with some challenges. You know if anyone wants to look Camp Lejeune Marine. Base and they. They have A. Camp Lejeune North Carolina Yeah Yeah. Gosh I've been there. I did a triathlon there. I did an internship at Duke University, and so I did like every triathlon I could find in North Carolina and that time the water remember competing Camp Lejeune I'm sure I must of women it well from like nineteen, sixty five to nineteen, eighty five. It was just absolutely terrible. They had thirty up to thirty five hundred times the normal safety. Contamination? Limits on just a whole list of different toxins, radioactive material, and so forth, and so my mother was. During that period of time, and then my first two years of life, and I've always been a little challenged a lot of asthma and allergies and. You know eventually I was in put in. Basically learning disability classes, and this was in Hawaii right, so she grew up in why, so we moved out to Hawaii seven. My Dad was a marine. and. And live there all the way through college, and so it was an awesome place to grow up, but it wasn't so awesome to be in special education classes there because they they loo-. They lumped everybody either your normal, or you're like in these basically retard classes. And and so it was, it was challenging in a lot of ways as my my self esteem, you know it was a very difficult time getting getting through that and then. But it gave me a lot of Dr. you've got a. we have a mutual friend in in common Dan POMPA. Dr To Dan Yorke show. Besides helping me with with detox. His products are amazing. He's just a wonderful person as well and he and I share a lot of similarities with Special Education Dyslexia, and so forth, and and you know the pain purpose is just really rings for me. Yeah, that that's his catch. Rice paid the purpose. It is yeah, and you know I think we're all given these challenges in life you know and it's like it's all about how you how you deal with it, and then you know if we grow from it and we learned from it, and then we can. Move that forward and help other people you know and there's been a lot of challenges that I've had that have allowed me to you know learn how to overcome them and then help lots of other people with those challenges as well. The lyman mold was something that developed later on. Yeah. So that was in like two, thousand, seven, two, thousand, eight I, just got really sick, and I had no idea what was wrong with me, and it was, it was a double challenge, because I was I, was already practicing I had a clinic, and that people coming in from all over, and you know supposed to be the guy that had all the answers, but I was just sick, and I was going to all these different doctors and nobody. Really knew what I got diagnosed with ankylosing spondylitis, because I had just severe joint pain. You know it was so bad that I remember sitting on a bench bench one time in watching somebody just walked by and it just like I didn't even know it was like to walk normally at that Taj so it was just so severe and and then I finally tested myself for lime, and I tested myself for a variety of viruses and my Epstein. Barr virus was. was just through the roof, and so I just had multiple infections, which is classic with people with line, because your immune system isn't functioning, so you just accumulate all these infections oh? Yeh, in who is something I've actually been setting up on recently because I've I've been shocked at the connection that the deeper into his rabbit hole. I go between AB sago virus, lime, mold, heavy metals and em ethics. Bolger like this whole issue. I don't know if you're electro hypersensitive. But those type of of co-infections. If that's what you want to call, them tend to be really aggravated by EMS exposures well well. You know there's some you know some ideas, the. Might make the violence a little bit more with the viruses. You know the EMF. There's different. Different things and with mole to same thing they've done. They've done some studies where they exposed mold to to emf exposure and they. They see that there's a much higher variance so. Yeah for people that are with health I. Think getting themselves out of you know Wifi and turning off your Wi fi router at night. I mean you've covered this and a lot of your pod. We've gone through that where staring at a dirty electronically filter right now the computer is plugged into and and that's. The whole thing is a topic for another day but I certainly think that you know specifically when you look at the voltage gated calcium channels on the cell and the steep influx of calcium that occurs and the impact that has on Mighty Qendra, overall cellular function. Then you pair that with an infection or heavy metal or lime or virus, and you're essentially debilitating the body's ability to be able to respond while at the same time weakening its defenses, so yeah, it's a it's an issue, but but we digress so you. You were sick with all these issues, but you also have this unique combination car, practic dock, and also a naturopathic physician. So, how did that all happen? Well originally. I graduated from chiropractic school and then started to you know. Get involved with functional neurology through the Carrick Institute and it's a very high level of. Doing specific types of adjustments and different neurological exercises in doing a lot of work with neuro plasticity. You know so a lot of patients that we treat with this technique were we're not doing as many adjustments as you would think you know it's. A lot of times people would come and watch these types of procedures and they wouldn't really recognize it as traditional chiropractic work. But when you're able to activate the brain and the very specific way. You can create some amazing changes. That can really balanced neurology and. Everything from like movement disorders to. Ottawa autoimmune. Challenges and auto dysfunction, you know. All of these things are are rooted in Neurological A. Challenges Gimme one hardcore example white music activate the brain dog like snap, and the fingers in front of the face or or Chevron something in an orifice so. Prone to do well, this is a good example, so you know there's something called your vestibular reflect so whenever you're had moved to the right you're is actually neurologically are pushed to the left. If you rotate your head, it's towards and tours, and so there's this yakking between your neck, your eyes and your. And your vestigial, your inner ear, and there's this conversation that's happening between all of these, and so what happens is that that conversation gets skewed, and so the neck muscles in the spinal muscles. Don't respond appropriately, and so we see this with people where there there is so there's the is need to be balanced, and if they're not then, there's a lot of musculature throughout the entire spine that can be thrown off. Some of these techniques we've used in some very high level football players actually. I can't name names, but there's been some Super Bowl winning quarterbacks that utilized this type of. Functionality to actually continue playing yeah. Sid crosby actually just came out and? Basically he's like one of the top hockey. Players ever came out, and he had a traumatic brain injury, and utilizing these types of treatments was able to overcome a very serious deficiency, and but what what would be an example of national treatment. Look what would be one technique you use. So. Let's say somebody has a disturbance nervous Tibula, ocular reflex what we might do, we might have them do something called gaze stabilization, so they'll holder. There is on target, and then they'll move their head and different different ways to. Allow the the muscle to to maintain that vestigial reflex, and some people can't do it so like for instance if I took my finger and I moved it back and forth in front of you. That's a smooth pursuit right, and so there's two main types of movements. There's a smooth pursuit, and there's a Cicada a CICADAS, a fast eye movement, so that fast movement should be accurate to target, and you're constantly either pursuing or CICADA targets in your environment. And witnessed gets off then your eyes are locking into target and they don't hold their, and then it slips off. That feeds back into the spinal muscles. So, you can see that there's GonNa be a lot of disturbances and you're you're you're fine motor skills when these things are off so by. Basically doing very specific exercises. Get Your eyes to move appropriately in these different movement patterns. It's hugely beneficial to the brain. Then, you also think about all of the energy that the brain would be expanding trying to compensate for these deficiencies as well so just cleaning this stuff up actually allows the brain function level something somebody who was talking to me about I forget I think. I was at a clinic and they were saying that a lot of people who get. Brain, fog fatigue, etc, kind of like mid to late afternoon sometimes earlier in many cases, they'll find that they have like some eye, tracking issues or Even like from from chiropractic standpoint like you know alignment of some of the sutures in the school and things that are actually causing a great deal of stress on the nervous system, just beginning with the is with that vestibular nerve. Yeah, so so you're almost like exhausting yourself as your is work overtime well, you know it's interesting you. You point out about the sutures in the skull. Because that's that's my my deal with functional Craner released, so it's technique that I developed. You know probably fifteen years ago and I teach other doctors, and basically it's a fusion of this functional neurology with this very specific type of cranial work. That I think we're going to be doing with your family tomorrow. Yeah, well. You told my boys at dinner last night where you wanted to have him. Do was balance with this thing called a slack though that you that you balance on like a slack, line trainer, and then you. You wanted them to come off that you were going to do the adjustment. What he called a Endo Nasal. It's an donate specific endo nasal balloon manipulation. Yeah, yeah, so I dared them I. Think they're both game for so so tomorrow. Maybe we'll instagram for people in and put it up if you guys want to see it. If I wind up shooting a video, put it in. The show notes Ben Greenville. TENNIS DOT COM. Slash. Dr. So, so you? You obviously are an expert in this functional neurology and I. Know That's part of your practice I. Know You do stem cell therapy? Do X. Oems you peptide? You do a lot of the things that I've actually talked about on the show before and I I would love to use the time that we have to get into some of the stuff that we haven't. Haven't had a chance to explore that much. In terms of some of these more unique delivery mechanisms, and some of the stuff that you specialize in so I will let let us go straight back to the positives because I know pe-. People are people are on the edge of their seats. Unintended wanted to know about these positively, so let's get to the bottom, okay? So why suppositories all right so when I was sick? I started to utilize high glutathione suppositories, and it was just a game changer for me that I realized. Wow, this is really a very powerful medicine and. What I liked about it was that the when you when when I post with a suppository, I would have peak plasma meaning that. The the substance is in your bloodstream for six to seven hours, whereas if I do an IV peak plasmas like for an hour, right at spikes in your blood, and then it's out of your system, so your cells are sitting there trying to absorb as much nutrient as they can in that short period of time. So, I, think there's an advantage of. In that time and giving the sells more of an opportunity to absorb those nutrients plus. If we're talking about. Gluten found in particular. It's one of the sleep promoting substances along with your a dean. And, so it's necessary, so you can actually. Writing and people don't talk about European allies. That's something that Glutathione is causing to be released or Cohen minutes. It's another. It's another substance. Okay, but those are the two sleep promoting substances or get you to dive deep right right away so so. It really helps with with sleep. You get in a row. Yeah well, that's why it's in San Man. I was wondering since being your high dose Melatonin suppository that you have right. Okay, so the glue found is not just in there, because it's going to help with with its antioxidant effects while you're asleep or help the body to repair, it's in there because it will actually enhance sleep biology well all the above, so you know. We really worked hard on the sand man to try to put everything that we could to. Give you true sleep. You know what about your? In no no we haven't but we've experiment with. It but Not yet and. So so back to the suppositories. You're getting a slow release. The the intra what the correct term into rectal absorption! It's rectal orifices. Erectile Exorbitant Common Delivery Mechanism for for a lot of medications. Really it is if you're not doing like Interim Association for example, but what you're saying is that this peak occurs more gradually over a longer period of time, so you get a slow or bleed of whatever it is that you're putting into your body into your system. That's one advantage, but there's more. Another advantage is that year bypassing the gastric juices and the enzymes with digestion that can actually harm a lot of these nutrients, and then there's something called I pass through the liver, and basically the liver really breaks everything down. It needs to be put back together on the other side and so. so when you do an IV obviously. There's a lot of people go and get Ivy's because it's just. So much more advantage because you're. You're bypassing all these digestive enzymes and the first pass all all the more so by the way, if you, if you have leaky, got or compromise, gut it. I think it becomes an even bigger issue. With being able to adequately absorb what you need from food, vitamins, or supplements or anything taken orally so you also have an advantage on that side, too, and so with all of that intact. It's almost like. An Ivy to go, so you can put in a suppository end, and it's like you're hooked up to an IV for the next seven hours and other needles in. Your House or like that, and it's really no big deal I mean sometimes people make a big deal at all. I'M NOT GONNA. Do suppository whatever and it's like you know. Get over it like it takes like two seconds to put it in. It's very easy. And and it's there, and usually you know basically it turns into an oil once it's once. It's inserts these suppositories when I get them from you. You kind of UNWRAP them. They're they're They're semi solid I've if you don't keep them in the refrigerator, they contend. Get almost like too soft to insert, so keep them in the refrigerator and correct me if I'm wrong on that. That's the best way to do it in the refrigerator and then I want to get back into. What kind of suppositories from Glutathione that you'd wreck or Melatonin that you'd recommend? But when you when you administer these like I'm. I haven't inversion table and can hang upside down sometimes if I'm just in bed, and I'm laying on my side, I'll just put it in there and continue my side for a little while, but what's what's the best way to actually put a suppository in for? People haven't done it before. Well, we we've put a Some science into these supposedly, so they there sometimes you have to actually put like an oil on them to get them lubricated. This this is just lubricated naturally, so You know you don't even really need to put your finger in in the rectum. Usually you know once the suppositories. It's like kind of A. Way. SHAPE. Yeah it's an anti gravity technology greasy though too so. Much. So so you you slip it in, and then do you need to do need to go upside down like? Do you need to invert just? Lay Now. Yeah or you don't yeah, I mean you could sit down for a little while or. I guess it's different for everybody you know depending on the tone of their muscles down and whatnot. If you have decent tone, it just pulls up a couple of inches, and you don't even know it's there yeah yeah. And then what one other question I was going to ask you. Because then equitably, some of these logistical issues will rise. People. Ask this because I'm your suppositories and we can talk about these kind of daytime wakefulness like stuff that you wouldn't necessarily have in during the night. To put one of those in the morning. and. Let's say I need to have a bowel movement in the afternoon. How long does it need to stay in there to everything that you need out of it? Because I've wondered before when I've you know digging a dump a few hours after doing, it's a positive, obviously the positive where it comes out. How how long should it actually stay in there? Well, it's going to continue to release for five to seven hours. So if you do have a bowel movement. You're going to lose some, but it's still worth doing I mean if you're gonNA. Do something like say like the neuro. Dial right the high dose CD. do that in the in the daytime. Usually no problem, but if you have, there's no way I could do a high dose. suppository in the daytime I get super drowsy. DVD, but you've got another. One is called loose atoll. Loose atoll, yeah, and what's in that one? Losada's a lot of polyphenols in one of the most important one is the Fezzan. So, it's really good for the brain, inflammation and and Lyric right, so you could take it. We have some fasting protocols we're. We're working on where we used that product. Really kick in that soon to clear the sincerity. I I actually wrote about physician. But how do you pronounce it facade and hesitant I pronounce it. But I've bastardize almost everything, so read so much the the the anti-ageing properties of it are are pretty compelling credible. Charissa ten is one that a lot of people talk about, but fisons say like you do kind of flies under the radar, but yet it's a very very helpful molecules, so some of your suppositories are daytime in which case ideally, someone should wait to put them in until they've had say a morning bowel movement, and then put it in and try to if you can have another ballot move for like five to seven hours. If you want to get everything you want out of it, right. Ideal okay got it so so you've got the kind of like the plant based antioxidant. Cellular Senescence one that you do during the daytime and that one's called again. WHO's tall tall Sandman is the Melatonin. Glutathione. Yeah, that's Max clue glued Amax and then wh- what else what other suppositories other. Well. We've got the. Stem tour. Which is the? It's an an tour activator, so it's good for people that you know for working out like everybody's all focused on inhibiting tour, but. Actually a leaderless and skinny their whole lives. Yeah! I mean it's all about balancing it. You know it's like you want to activate it. You want to inhibit you know so. It's something that you can pre or post workout and get a little bit extra repair. Through the tour pathway? Hey, I want to interrupt today's show to tell you how you can get easy. high-quality humanely raised me. That can trust from butcher box. 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I want to get back to a few other more subtle nuances of the ingredients first of all most of the suppositories and I'm looking at the label. You also have bacteria in them. it. Tell me about the bacterial parks I'm trying to figure out. Can you actually reseed I mean? Obviously, we know about fecal. biota transplants, and and the ability to be able to populate the rectum, the the bio of of the colon, but are you kinda going after the same thing with these bacteria, or is there a different reason that they'd be in there? That's where you want your bacteria. You don't want it in the small intestine, you want it in the large intestine the so we were aiming towards improving the microbiome, but we're also looking at specific strains that would assist in the absorption of various ingredients. Okay, that's what I was wondering. Yeah, so so we kind of worked on those, and so we have a couple of different strain combinations that were utilizing one. That's more for like glue to find and antioxidants and another one. That's more on the CD hemp absorption. What would be an example probiotic? That you'd use well. We disclosed that those are proprietary. Okay, yeah, that's fine. That's fine. You can just hold it. Close to your chest nobis. Chat. Now melatonin Melatonin is one that I want to hone in on a little bit because I find that particularly fascinating. Yeah, we are recording this podcast during lockdown, which you are actually breaking government orders by not sheltering in place down in Florida. House just you know those are very risky plane ride. You went on to come up. And you may dyson. It was interesting. You know. It was almost apocalyptic flying out here. Yeah, well. I like the green the Greenfield House. Seddon all humbleness. I think if someone were to get sick, I've gotten more here at the house from Anti Malarial to care it into ozone. NEBULIZER which we'll talk about later either barrack to where you could probably receive better treatment than you get a hospital hands down here the hospital. Widow get from from the youtube. The feds are making their rounds right now, so we've got to be very careful but anyways Melatonin is being talked about right now. As as a possible, been pretty potent anti viral. There are a lot of other things going with militants talks a little bit about what people might not know about Melatonin in particular and just to to couch. This proper terms for people like one of your suppositories is like a hundred milligrams of Melatonin two hundred milligrams down I so so get into Melatonin, and also the safety and efficacy of using high dose. Dose like that because I. Get people are like shutdown melatonin production. Throw off my circadian Biology so go ahead and riff on Melatonin for awhile for me all right so great questions, gray questions, and so one interesting study. They did on oral absorption of Melatonin. They found that there's only three percent absorption, so it's not absorbed very well, but Melatonin is the. Primary Antioxidant. It's like at the top of the chain and. One of the one of the things that it does is it protects your? Might Kondracke under stress? You know what's really interesting. Is They did a study? Early on in the early days of Melatonin, they were looking at. Different aspects with animal models, and they weren't really seeing a big change with these with these animals when they were in a basically stress, free environment. You know they they weren't seeing any difference with their immune system or anything like that, but what they did is they changed the study around? And they took the mice, and they put them in tubes, little holes in them for like a couple hours a day, which is like a? stressor because they're in a confined area and so this increased cortisol in different stress hormones on the animals, and so what they did then is, they looked at the animals on Melatonin versus off Melatonin, and that's where they really started to get excited like there's something to Melatonin that really helps to protect the system when it's under stress and when you look at that study, you know it's like I. Look around right now. I see what are people are confined. To their house, it's almost like that. Studying are hardening or dark, little Roden tubes. Yeah, so it's like we need to put Melatonin the water supply. But well. Let's let's dive into it a little bit so. There's there's. Restorative aspects of melatonin protective aspects. It helps with sleep. A lot of people know that. There's a there's there's something called the gladdock system and I think you've talked about this podcast range draining system. It's like pumping action in so people start to develop problems in their brain. They start to accumulate these different proteins like amyloid Beta. Protein tangles, and so forth, and so The these are immune. Complex is actually end so. They found that it's not so much. The problem that these proteins are collecting as much as it's a problem with them being cleansed out of the brain, and so if you look at. As you get older, the Melatonin just declines rapidly as you get older and so. This activator for deep sleep starts to diminish and so deep sleep is the primary activator to glimpse attic system. So. So, supplementing with Melatonin makes a lot of sense for that just for preventing degenerative neurologic conditions, but another really interesting aspect of Melatonin is it inhibits cancer growth, so they've done a lot of studies, you know if you go on start researching pubmed and so forth you'll see a lot of different cancers have been shown to be inhibited with Melatonin so a lot of natural medicine. Docs will use it in their practice for that. And then there's the the viral protection. You know which I think. We should dive into a little bit. which just blew my mind when I started to read about it? Yeah, what do you see with with? Viruses known well showing you that picture before right? You show me. Picture so they were looking Ebola and Ebola just has a devastating effect on the endothelial lining of blood vessels. And, so they did an with animal models with and without Melatonin, and you see this picture, and you can just see the blood vessels are just completely destroyed. You know with the animals that didn't get the Melatonin another really interesting station. Email me that picture by the way I'll put it in. The show notes. Yeah, yeah, every everybody's gotTA. Look at this picture because it's like you just look at it and you're like. Wow, that is really doing so night and day difference in terms of the protective effect of the Melatonin. Now now of course back to one of the questions that I was asking though, is this like say testosterone replacement for males where once you star is very difficult to come off. Shut Down Your indulgence. Protect production right. This is something. A lot of people been asking me about after hearing I started using your Melatonin suppositories as well. You screw your circadian biology share own ability to produce Melatonin well. This is the concern with any hormone. Are you GonNa? Shut down your endogenous production. You know that's what happens with testosterone. You start supplements testosterone. Your Body Says Oh, I've got plenty of that I. don't need any more right with Melatonin. It doesn't work that way. There is no negative feedback loop. You can take as much as you and there's no toxic level of it either so they they've done studies with animal authors on could find a guinea pig and kill him without, too. Well well, maybe two million, but they they went all the way up to one hundred and fifty thousand milligrams, which would be well I forget the exact equivalent, but it was the equivalent to one hundred and fifty thousand milligrams on one hundred and fifty pound person, and they stop the study because there's just no toxic level of the right. It's like the elephant that they tried to find the lethal dose of LSD with the elephant wound up dying from the tranquilizers. They had to give it so that it didn't just go berserk from all the St before actually croaked from the tranquilizer, so so yeah, not not the Melatonin is. Is that somewhere LSD but the? Very interesting in terms of the amount y. Much in it like. Couldn't you do like ten milligrams positively? You. Could you could you could do any? Amount of Melatonin, but what we're doing is super physiological dosing. So this is not like what your? You know your your primary care Docs giving you. You know five ten twenty milligrams. Melatonin to help with sleep. What we're talking about is moving the needle on various aspects of. Health, that can be related to high dose of Melatonin. What about. Relevant to some of the things that are in the news right now, something DIFFERENT THAN A, Bola from from a viral standpoint or anything similar to like a corona, virus or right so great question so. There was a recent article just this year that came out and these scientists are saying melatonin could. Be a very helpful. Substance for. Kron virus, and so they've looked at the. The the process of Melatonin what it does, and so the challenge with with this virus in particular is that it creates a cytokine storm right and that site a kind storm leads to something called are acute respiratory distress syndrome, so the lungs basically shut down. So what's involved with that? Something called an inflammatory. And that and Flam Zome is what leads to that whole cascade of sign storm, and so melatonin actually acts to calm. Down Okay. So in terms of blocking the inflammatory or blocking the of King Storm, this begs the question not to put you on the spot, but. There's also this concept that if you're using something like that regularly a very potent antioxidant that you might be just blunting your medic response in general medic response to exercise medic responses, stressors like kind of blending the body's own indigenous antioxidant production. Could you directly make yourself weaker, but doing something like that or well? They haven't done studies to really determine that, but I can tell you the lead authority of Melatonin, Russell Writer MD PhD and this guy. You know he's been studying Melatonin for. You know his whole life. Really. He takes one hundred milligrams every night. you know so. He's the most researched individual on Melatonin and so every night while yeah I'm GonNa have to upgrade my my Melatonin stocks. I use it. During Times of stress, I found very helpful. I use it when I'm traveling. Especially for long haul flights, it just completely reboots everything. I've actually used it on on a flight like a ten hour flight. With along with your high dose. which is how many milligrams in Idaho so you think you're taking the three hundred? Which is I've said this before on podcast. If you look at most of the studies, Zebdine sleep enhancement, it's at least one hundred mix plus and of course you might be able to say less rectal absorption because. You're getting a lot more in there, but meant that one two Combo Melatonin high-dose Melatonin and high-dose CBD via suppository Game Changer for sleep architecture, especially when travelling well, you know and and I found that to be true because I travel a lot from Florida to Hawaii you know, and it's a pretty brutal flight, and with time change, and so forth, and so I kind of started to hack this with the products myself and I. Even you know came up with what I call, the travel hacker kit, right and so. The the problem with when you're flying is that there's a lot of. Air Quality. Mold! It's probably going to get better now because I think they've up their standard. Since this whole krona virus epidemic, but you've got so. There's a lot of stressors that happen in the plane, and so taking a high dose of CBD made sense to me because it's it's neuro protective. You know so. It's almost like you've kind of a force field while you're traveling. And then of course, the Sandman to reset your Circadian Rhythm, and then we're also utilizing something called glued a stat, which is enables anti microbial nasal. The nasal sprays here in a little bit because I find those fascinating I I've actually been using glued stats, which also has sixteen and silver in it correct. Yeah, for for for just general antiviral preparedness, but before we move on, there was one other competent to ask you about. Because, there's a lot of chatter right now about it's absorbed. And bioavailability and that's D- Some People A. People using ORAL ARE OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE ARE GETTING AD vs. UNITED IN D. Patch yesterday, and I think that the Trans Dermal absorption and they intravenous absorption is amazing, compared to to most of the oral delivery mechanisms out there, but I want ask you. What about rectal like like could? You could theoretically use any directly like you're doing with. Melatonin et Cetera well. We have a neuro and eighty line. It's a nasal spray and it's also suppository, and so you know I got involved with a D early on before. Anybody really knew about it. You know it was the NASD conference in San Diego about five years ago or so. You know so. We started using it clinically and so we were charging up towards fifteen hundred dollars in on. People would sit at the clinic and run this issue. You have to run it slowly. Otherwise you get these effects, and by the way I did the fast push because I heard thought Gaza I'm like. I gotTa do this ten minutes. Terrible God, yeah! Just listening in it's a, it's a five hundred milligram ad push. Ivy in about thirty milliliters of solution and this type of thing you normally set for like two three hours, so we drift into your system Grit Grit. Your teeth breathe politic garbage can if you need to take puke? and. It is intense by I haven't been able to talk anybody into actually doing that. So it's kind of one of those what doesn't kill you. Make you stronger things I. I feel literally like that or or cold ice bath or the battle set on the bike. Any of these things that are somewhat difficult to do. You just don't do them because you're masochist. Yeah, I think there's something to be said for the psychological and mental strength built through occasion just like doing the hard thing. Yeah, including and I think I. Do you know Dr Craig Conn ever? Heard of them. Okay, so so he really feels that. The slightly unpleasant response to any IV is something that actually is beneficial for the nervous system and one of the reasons, people feel so good afterwards than there are other doctors who want to be a little bit kinder, and they'll code minister. Methyl donors with their entity detained or trimethyl, glycemic or S Edina Selma. Like Dr Matt Cook Does Right, and and I've done that before, and you literally barely feel the right. Yeah, and apparently still get some of the benefits, but. For some reason I kind of liked to feel it like I liked that sensation of knowing something's going I. Don't know if I buy into that I haven't seen any any research I think. Maybe that's just his intuition. It could be I think it is pure intuition. But you know we. We do the TRIMETHYL glysophate in the in the suppository you. Actually did that was not a leading question I? Do Not know you didn't entity suppository. Well I haven't shared it with you. I'm trying to I'm trying to just trickle it to. So many things you make, and there's obviously a lot more that I wanna get into, and we kind of already hinted at this idea of a nasal administration and these nasal sprays like last night Let's let's start with this one like you and I did a meditation breath work session. And I have done Combo in the past and in a Combo ceremony. The you know the the frog poison where you burn the skin and have a little bit apply to the to the burnt hole in the skin. To, really clear the head prior to that or a lot of other plant medicines is like I. Wa- It'd be another example. There's a South American. It's an herb or plant or tobacco variant, or what is called hoppy. r.i.p right. Either one day or rapid. And incredible head clearing effects, and normally it'd be like A. Powder that Shaman would kind of breathe up into your nose and Burns up deepen the skull and sticks with you with that. Burn for good ten fifteen seconds all of a sudden. Your head's clear Isabelle. And you kind of figured out how to a modern newfangled version of that. Yeah, well, you know first of all Combo Frog. Probably a lot of people listening to this have no idea what that is. I heard about that. You know a few years ago and actually we were utilizing that with some some of our infection cases. You know there's it's I forget how many times stronger than morphine it is. It's got you just feel good after you do a Combo session. Don't feel good while you're on. It and one get sick. It's a it's a hormone, oxen, very very powerful, hormetic stressor and a lot of times you grow up in a ball for fifteen twenty minutes after you do it just like fall asleep right so they call a combo nap right and and you want to purge to common for you. Don't really start throwing perjury do. A few. Amount that you think need to get the effect you. You purged usually. There's a five gallon by actually figured out how to microdosing it. You know so I'm able to get people just to the point where you know they don't even purge. You know you get all the beneficial effects if you if you do it in a lighter dose as well same thing burning the whole Niskanen. Yeah, that's that's the only way I because I think if you. If you ingest, it could kill you so probably. A COMBO suppository no! I've thought about it I've thought about it, but I think that you know I. Don't want to be the first to explore something. To hold the suppository for me. Number one is safety like I. Don't WanNa take any chances with myself and my patience, so yeah, yeah, that's reasonable, so this hoppy. What's called Zen Spray? Yeah, so so I have a a Collie. He's an MD and he's. He's living with a tribe in the Amazon and and he's real excited. Because all these different Amazonian tribes have their own blend of herbs, and they use it in ceremony, and so so he was excited about this particular bland, and he sent me some, and so you know I was using it, and it's a very strong effect when you inhale it in the powder. Very intense, but again like you said you feel good afterwards. There's there was something to it. I really had to take a dive into it and what I figured out is that it's an automatic activation, so it's actually you're actually strengthen your vegas nerve awhile. Strengthening Vega tone, and so that's why you feel so relaxed and clear because you're more calming down the sympathetic nervous system and activating the pair something exactly yeah. DR Congo again to to bring him up and he's been a former podcast guest he he was a guy who, in the past had sent me some nasal sprays and I had used for example his compounded ketamine combined with Oxytocin, which both my wife and I find it be fabulous for sex, and then you compounded this happy with Oxytocin, which is kind of like a feel-good trust, hormone tactile sensation feel amazing, and actually use some of that before sex, and it was a d, so the ketamine kind of this hits you, but it's very relaxing whereas this stuff was just. amped me up, but then made the sex feel amazing to with a with a super clear head, so I I don't know if you've ever. If you've ever compounded use it for something like that, but this this hoppy oxytocin blend. Never, use anything like that before it's amazing. Yeah, yeah, it's. It's really it's really interesting. And it's also really good for like a meditation as well like if you take it so the the two ways, and I'm finding it popular to the used as as an entrance into meditation. And also. During breath work you know like newsom Wim Hof breasts and we did that with with some breathing exercises and your sauna. We're doing some very very rigorous breath work, and then right before the breath. Hold We. We use the spray. You're just getting this. Just hyperactive ation inveigled ner. Yeah, I felt as though the clearness in the head allowed for almost like an amplification of natural emt released that you get that former breath work, so I think pairing that, and I even before our session last night where we used it for the we did about twenty five minute breath work session. I had used it probably get eight to ten times prior for breath work, and it's amazing for breath worker meditation just because your head goes clear as a bell. Will I think I stumbled across? One morning I was on my couch and I was doing whim off and I just I had the zen there and I'm like. Let me try to blend these two together and I was so excited about it. I think I texted you right. I did a group tax because it was a few of us that we're. Beta testing a few months ago and It's. It's really it's really nice. This MD lives in the Amazon by the way I think you left out one part. He's like, isn't he? Like the only white man or something like that, who who's actually able to access these these zones. Yeah, because we. We have a mutual friend yet to be unnamed. He's actually my my. He's like my personal facilitator. Slash Shaman Yeah Amazing Guy I'm hoping someday I can get him on the podcast. And he's. He filled me in on that. That guy that lives in the Amazon right access to these medicines that. None of us would be able to get right, so it was very very special. Special! We're very fortunate to have it. We don't have so much that. It's scalable to a huge degree, but you know it's in a limited. Quantity? Can. You use in nasal spray besides hoppy and oxytocin. Well, you know an ad. We already talked about that, Glutathione. The the we also have a a peptide neuro Max, which has seem accent it, so it's like brain enhancing. and then the anti-microbials i. think is really Is Really helpful for a lot of different upper respiratory. In Matt Cook and I actually recently talked about this on a podcast about the issue with biofilm in the nasal passages. Brought that up, so a lot of people don't ever address that and you've got like this fly. Sticky material called. That the bacterial producing, so whatever you're breathing in the air is just getting stuck into your sinuses, so everybody really needs to consider some sort of a sinus hygiene right, and so a sinus hygiene could be a Netti pot where you're just using sailing, you could use a little silver. Some people I dine in their in their Netti Pot. We have a product called glued a stat which has also fide sage oregano cloverleaf. Bay Leaf and That's got peanuts. Stuff I've been nebulizer. So that's a we have formula docs like to nebulizers it a lot of the people that utilize our our line, our physicians you know, and then they give to their patients, so using nebulizers is a way. For these doctors are are utilizing the latest stat to actually get deep into the sinuses and also into the lungs. And I WANNA talk about nebulizer, but kind of like suppositories be because a lot of people know how to swallow capsule, but might not have known I'd use suppository until we explained it same thing with nasal spray. How how do you do it? Do. Do you need to cover one nostril? Breathe in. How long do you need to like? snorted Info like what what's the proper way to get the most out of a nasal spray if you're gonNA, use one well if you can time it where you breathe at the same time that you're squirting. that. That's helpful, and so you know you place the nasal spray nozzle at the at the opening of the nasal passage, and then you cover the other nostril, and then you sprayed, and you don't WanNa. Breathe to too too hard in because it's just going to go straight through the sinuses, so if you want it to Kinda. Coat your sinus cavity GONNA WANNA! Probably do like an inhale like medium. And then. And, then you don't let it set there, you know, don't like, sniff really hard, you know. Let it kind of sit on the on and coat the sinuses. You ever think about which Nostril Hebrew that into because in in ironic medicine yeah. The right nostril. You're activating more It would be. Paris and pathetic. Breathing in for the left Nassir would be more sympathetic. Cou Cou, so could you theoretically say okay well? This is like an upper that I'm going to be a nasal spray, therefore for the left Nostril, most appropriate well, Ben now you're starting to get into the functional neurology stuff. We we'll even put like peppermint oil on just one side of the nostril. Bounce the brain when there's a deficiency on one side. Yeah, I actually have for those who want to take a deeper dive into the beauty of the nostrils, the fact that they are literally erectile tissue, and which nostril debris then to activate different systems like sympathetic repairs sympathetic. Go listen to my podcast with James. Nest store the author of the book breathe because we. We actually kicked out on it for about fifteen minutes about the nostril, and how how to kind of tweak which nostril you breathe through? If you're doing alternate, also breathing breathing's really interesting. That's fascinating. I haven't listened to that one yet. It's not out yet. Next week. It'll be out though before. This one comes out okay, so so the nasal spray and then the last question is how how? Deeply intensely, and for how long do you need to breathe in after you administer a spray? Well once it's in there, you want to just let it sit. You know and so if you feel like you need to. SNIFFLE try to gentle gently because I just really snort hard I. Know You. Don't need to be doing that. No, okay, no, 'cause. You're just getting it straight through down into the throat. That's why I'm tasting in the back of my throat. I just just breathe it in that I have to really help it after that yeah. Okay! Do you need to be tilting the head forward, anything like that. For versus set-back yeah. That's that's the Pasha when you're when you're holding it with your hands. You know it's. It's not necessary to extend your head, but just a normal normal position to the had haven't really seen a big difference with with head position as far as You know nasal spray. Okay? Now nebulizer we. We've talked about suppositories. We've talked about nasal sprays, and then there is nebulizers for people who never heard of that aren't familiar with the term. What is doing okay, so nebulizers are some it's a way for. US to get medicine into patients, and so on what the nebulizer does is it puts a liquid into tiny fine mist, and then you can breathe that in and so it's going to affect. Absorption through the nasal passage, but you're also going to get some absorption for the lungs. And you know there's actually quite a bit absorption into the bloodstream through the lungs. When you breath the the nebulizers ing particle particularly end, so you're not just doing this for the respond to retract sexy getting the bullets drink. Yes, okay, so so the nebulizer I think. The first time I used was actually at Dr Matt Cooks. He had me nebulizer include a thion. Again for some of the reasons. We discussed biofilm nasal passages. In terms of the way that it. Works, she get like a little mask. And this would. You can buy an abuser on Amazon for example right and you in this is different than like a nebulizer for essential oils. You WanNa get your some essential oil and everybody's. You want one with a mask that you love your face. And, then you would put your nebulizer fluid into a little chamber that a tube connected to between the mask, and the Chamber and then you turn on the nebulizer basically creates a fine particulate right that you would then breathe, and you breathe you breathe in through your mouth or do breathe through your nose. Well it depends right. So for those listening, you know the way I see it is if you want to affect the upper respiratory track, or you're looking for something more neurological like for brain. You're. GonNa WanNa, nebulizers. Or nasal spray if it's more like a full body, suppositories work a little bit better. I think that you're gonNA. Get more. Content into the bloodstream through the suppositories. But if anybody's dealing with like you know. If if they feel like they're coming out with the flu or they have like an upper respiratory infection. So that's kind of how we how we started to formulate the greatest was. I got really sick. And I was at the time I was crewing for Tony Robbins. and. This flu was like a two week brutal. Do high-fives with yeah. Was Medical so I was the guy that when people would start. Flipping out and going into convulsions, 'cause they're doing some of the activities Tony I would have to go and do CPR. I five. And then high file. Yeah so. But but you know it was a responsibility and I felt like I really to step up to the plate and go even all starting to get sick, so I started to formulate these different antimicrobials into. Started nebulizer and literally I. Was Nebulizer at every I think twenty minutes, and the next day I woke up, and I had zero symptoms like it just wiped it out, and so I knew I was onto something after that, and so since then I've been introducing this not to my practice, but a lot of other doctors practices because you know when you start to get sick, this is where it starts starts in the sinuses. It starts in the seeds there. And then it gets into the bloodstream from that point down the throat, and then into the lungs right so if you can stop it right there with antimicrobial right where? Because if you take something. You take an antibiotic early. It's going to throw the whole body. And so. A lot of times. These bacteria viruses are mold. They're they're kind of stuck in that biofilm right now in sinus cavity, or in the in the nasal cavity as well so you could utilize this if you like. You've been exposed to airborne pathogens. If you've been in a heavily polluted area, if you're insert about viral exposure, and from what I understand, the lungs don't actually have much of their own built in antioxidant systems. You're essentially supplying the respiratory tract with antioxidants that normally would not be able to produce itself right. Now, what aside from something like Glutathione? Ns? Do. You utilize nebulizer, or is that kind of your know that and silver I? Suppose is the other one you mentioned. Yeah, so you know. The two primary things that docs are using to navy is what their patients or the the glue to Genesis. And and that's really high glutathione content liquid. And then there's the glue to stat which is more anti microbial I mean. Those are the two primary. Routes that we're going with with the nebulizer. And are expensive, other I don't know. What do you fifty bucks? Yeah Yeah Yeah and not putting on spot, but if somebody wanted to buy a bottle of the gloomiest out like the stuff, I've got my on my desk right now. How much like that cost? I think it's about one twenty one nineteen. Yeah, and that's been used for like a month and a half way through the bottle. Feel like it's got pretty good life. Should I have in the refrigerator? By the way? Yes, the genesis, you should not stat the new stats pretty stable outside. Whatever's in my office I think it's the good style. Yeah, yeah, you're good. Okay so this is obviously stuff that goes way beyond cancellation technology, and that the pills that people used popping and I think you know compared to intravenous administration, which is highly efficacious, but again not gonNA mess around needles, or or have a practitioner come to their house to oversee that I think is very convenient something. I was thinking about that when I was in your hyperbaric oxygen. Oxygen Chamber actually did a a loose atoll. Before I went in there and you know you can't sit there and run ivy in a hyperbaric but you think about the advantage of having those nutrients flowing through your blood while you're in hyper-baric to push that into the cells. I'll tell you what you need to do. Then is you need to figure out some kind of like? Or CITRA, lean or nitric oxide precursor delivery for hyperbaric use, because that's the issues is there is some Vasil construction that occurs at pressure. If you can Vasil dilate in conjunction with that pressurized oxygen that would be a cool one for hyperbaric kind of suppository that that's basically like like talk side precursor. Have you heard of the IV laser that they're doing intravenous laser. So we call it Luma down and so we have similar like ultraviolet blood irradiation. It's so it's a machine and we're able to actually direct laser into a vein. and. He's infrared ultraviolet red, green blue. You know what you're talking about I've done that. Don at a guy who's bound podcast before actually podcasts at while. We're doing Avi Hershkovich Don in San Francisco Right. I think I heard that. Yeah, yeah, so so we've been at that for a while. And so you know the the the doctor that pioneered this was is really into providing. Photo active nutrients you know like Curcumin is a big one right so blue light in particular really activates that so once it's in your bloodstream. You can activate it with the light photo bio modulation. Among working with this with his doctrine Germany, he's actually going to be in my viral summit as well Dr Webber. This genius and And so working on some suppositories, because a lot of these things you don't, you don't find an Ivy. We actually have or Curcumin IV by the way, and it's amazing, but very expensive. Yeah, so if you can get suppository for like ten bucks. What about some of these things that would up regulate side of chrome oxidise in motto Qendra in response to Photons of light. Could you also use something like that? Prior to the Luma Med I'm talking about like Chlorophyll from Clara or Melanin from Chattanooga or methylene blue. Could you take that Orly? Aluminum in well I think the will on the methylene blue. We're using the methylene blue as well. You know we. We just started a protocol, or we're giving people methylene blue, and then we're using A. TRT Machine I think I turned you onto the guy that I haven't use. It was TRT's Stan Foregin. Generation Technology so it's it's an acoustic device and they're actually doing some studies on Alzheimer's in Europe where it's breaking up that amyloid plaque. I actually did wind up trying that. It was over at the Office of Dr Phil. Here in Spokane, they had a TRT. Mess Right? My problem is since I've quit racing spartan and doing triathlons I haven't really had much with injuries. Yeah, so you know people asked me what hurts and there's not much to work on. It's hurting. Yeah, knock on wood, but. That's not supposed to be amazing. kind of like pulse electromagnetic field therapy, but what's nice about is that gets deep into the body, and so you can do deep hip and spine and you know because there's different acoustic wave devices I'm sure. A lot of people heard about the gain wave gains wave, but this is this is a different technology, so it's literally the head of the of the devices. It fills with water and you're using ultrasound GEL. And so you know we're using this for everything from e, d, to prostate conditions, I mean some of the stuff we're doing for. Prostate is unbelievable or ozone injections. We're using this TRT machine. game changer for a lot of elderly. That's all at your practice in Sarasota. You're doing that stuff, okay? The the other thing. I wanted to ask you about this water last night and I. Don't know if you're able to disclose anything about, but you. It was holy water and you can get my wife. She thought we were we were pranking. Are Because you gotTA NASAL SPRAY? Had some that I? Actually drank or early in the sauna can say anything about what this mysterious well, I. I can't divulge this yet I'm going to, though I mean we're going to be. We're going to be bringing this to the United States. It's it's big. And China and they're US utilizing this for. Chinese seem to have much luckily. Hard Go, but it's approved there for cancer and it's approved. They're they're using it for for viral infections as well successfully but when I was sick with lime disease. This is probably going back fifteen years ago I had a doctor. Come by my office with this home. It's a homeopathic. And he did some injections, so it comes in an injectable injected around some of the joints that were sore, and it was just miraculous like the pain went away, but this guy couldn't find it again and so. Dr, Alec Smithers, he's a medical doctor that works works with me in in Sarasota Florida. He found this company and so we. We've reconnected with them and. So in talking to the doctor that formulated does he was basically buying art in in In the Middle East, and so he found he found this this pamphlet and there was like in some in scripted language. He had it translated, and it was some sort of a a healing remedy. And, so he started playing around with us, and that's where he developed this particular product. And then? A few years later I. Guess, there's there's there's this true holy water. It's like it's called. Water and it's got certain properties that they think that there was some sort of a fountain of youth that was in Jerusalem somewhere. And, so there's there's the realize we've already lost like half our listeners. Keep going. I know, this sounds crazy. Well. So I'm not a big believer I mean I. We use homeopathy, but to me. He's always been subtle right. This product is not subtle. This product gets some amazing results like for instance even for me, personally like I've had bone marrow I've had X. zones in my hip, and I still had some stuff going on, and so I had this product injected into my hip, and it's literally done the best that anything else has done. Dan POMPA was at my clinic. Clinic a couple of weeks ago right and he's had X. zones and stem cells on his neck, and he got, he got a lot of results, but I talked to him few days ago, and he said because we use this this holy water injected into his neck combine with axioms and you know he's reporting to us that it's it's the best is next ever fell while we and it comes in a drinkable. You can nebulizers the stuff. It's a nasal spray. Lot of applications to, but we could probably do a whole podcast on it while so once you kind of have a chance to develop it and I assume nonproduction US kind of playing with the right now. No comment. Okay all right well I'll try, and the show notes updated at had been GREENVILLE FITNESS DOT com. Slash Dr John. If you WANNA, stay up to date on holy water, and that's also where you can. You can leave questions about any this stuff we talked about. Anything excited about right. Now, Yeah, so we started to. Play around with O's needed sailing actually so with the Russians kinda started pioneer this procedure where there's a it's like a glass. Tube right and you put sterile water in there and you bubble ozone through the water, and then you run it intravenously. And you know we've been using ten pass for probably WANNA say almost five years, so we got into PASOS ten of which I've. I've done some pretty thorough podcasts on before. Right so anybody listening to this. You know there's different ways you can utilize ozone, and there's all these different benefits ozone. Has You know we? We don't need to get into all that? But it has a lot of benefit and so. Dosage wise and safety. Wise, there's there's different ways that you could administer ozone ten pass. Seems to be one of the highest levels where you take. About two hundred CC's of blood out of the body, and then under pressure you mix it with ozone, and then it's allowed to go back into the body, and we've just seen remarkable improvements with lime disease, and some autoimmune, and so forth with that, but we started to play around with this with this other procedure were calling rejuvenates, and so what we're doing is we're? We're seeing this was needed. Saline and we're were were actually being high dose magnesium at the same time and we're putting him in this This pod device called CPAC. Have you ever see VAC alter alternate I low pressure. Yeah, so this. This machine is fascinating. It uses ambient air. And, there's a lot of the same benefits of hyperbaric oxygen chamber, but it's a lot easier to use. It's only a twenty minute session, and it's like you're going up to the top of Mount Everest. Back, down multiple times you're so the pressure changes, and that's where all the benefit happens, and so we like it because it really helps to open up. The body to circulate nutrients so like you know, and it's also very powerful with the fat system. So you're able to kind of flush a lot of things through the nervous system that way and it's also stimulates. They've done some studies where it actually activate stem cells. It activates Mata Kondracke biogenesis things that you want. That's called. Rejuvenate six so that the rejuvenation is the combination of all those during the high dose, magnesium. The the Os needed sailing and then the sea afterwards. Interesting. There's there's a lot of cool protocols that one can get done a clinic like that, but I also liked this idea that you can use something like a nasal spray suppository realize. Stuff you can, you can get pretty good effects from just. Go to the doctor, which a lot of people really can't travel right now. At least during the time we, we're recording this, but the the clinic in Florida. If people want to like fly in and see you, are you still taking new patients or you? Hardcore into like the the nasal sprays, suppositories now or well been that? That's one of the reasons that we kind of formulated these things. Things because you know we were able to ship them out. Send them to people all over the world. You know where we can only treat so many people in the clinic, but we're also able to use these products you know I was looking at like what Whoa what do I need clinically for some of these really difficult cases, and that's how a lot of these formulas came to be. But but yeah we. We are accepting new patients, or you want to get excited about something besides this podcast which I think is GonNa Change People's lives, I. Honestly I, whenever I find cool new shit. I just turned people onto it. Just. It just makes me smile and I think people are a lot of benefit of this stuff. They start to try it again. You guys listen to this Ben Greenfield fitness dot com slash Dr John. D. R. J. O. H. N.. The other thing I'm excited about is I. Want to give you a preview of tonight because going to be amazing. Okay? Here's Oregon tonight. Using listen so. Evening at the Greenville houses like I got a I got two of the doctors. Coming over guy runs a local wellness clinic that I think you're able to see yesterday. Dr Love Dr Love. Dr Love the wellness three amazing juice bars. Natural Medical Clinic in Spokane and then my camera chestnut. Race on his back in the day, the guy and now he's cosmetic surgeon here in Spokane, and then my my wife and I think I think cameras were might come over to, so we're going to do. We're on the sauna and we're going to go down. There s guys and just like Jackson the sauna breach on the sprays down there. If you want some of the guys, try brazen, and we'll spend like thirty forty minutes, sweating it out and catching up in the sauna that I like to do that versus just like drinking beers on the couch and then. Then we'll go hit the colts. will give people the option and do the thirty five degree Morales, forge, or the the big old cold pool. Therapy and then we're GONNA finish up with with some of the hot tub, so already feel amazing after that and then My my wife is making one of her signature recipes that I absolutely love beer can chicken, so she's got two big old organic chickens so. We're GONNA do a sweep. Jessica is an amazing cook by the way my Gosh. If I weren't fitness I'd be morbidly obese and then on. We're going to do a bunch of organic red wine. We have a nice healthy dessert. Music Awesome is. This is going to be amazing now. You've got a good voice by the way. Thanks yeah, I was I was shocked. 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Morning Joe 9/4/19: Fmr. Defense Sec. Jim Mattis
"Good morning and welcome to morning joe. It is won. Stay september fourth with us. We have white house reporter for the associated press. Jonathan lemere season's over china's president of foreign relations could've been array bid. We came back access showed some fight and the yang excuse beginning. Oh my god astros exact talk about read also with the ron advice started things still have a shot at the second wildcard spot but it is not not going to recover from that left former treasury official mourning jug and now make enlistee rattener also with us washington bureau chief for u._s._a. Today and author of the matriarch susan page national susan's you have you all of this morning and we're gonna try and stick to news and politics start with the hurricane hurricane music. That's fine. We could do that but everything in its proper context place hurricane dorian lashed alerts florida's east coast overnight with storm surge and hurricane warnings extending up the eastern seaboard as far as the carolinas. We're also following the humanitarian. Manna -tarian disaster that is unfolding in the bahamas look at the stereo pictures which is unbelievable just absolutely unbelievable and for anybody it's ever been through any hurricane at all. Pat five is everybody's worst nightmare. The fact that a cat five comes over your war community and just stands. There just sits there for several days. Torture is is the worst scenario. We're going to be some gutter. Dave down there later on today. In bringing up some what you see here is parts of the avocado islands decimated major flooding homes businesses infrastructure flatten to at least seven people that we know of have been killed and officials expect that number to rise the country's prime minister says he went on a reconnaissance mission provided by the u._s. and found the airport there underwater and said the area around it looks like a lake the red red cross <hes> sixty two thousand people without clean drinking water and that sixty thousand people will need food. Here's more from the prime minister on m._s._n._b._c. n._b._c. Last night building codes <hes> built to withstand about one hundred fifty miles per hour in the nether expected affected that'd be would one day <hes> encounter in velocity highest run ridden eighty to two hundred miles per hour but we would take yeah. Let's go to bill carrey spill again. You've been doing this for a long time. You and i together been doing this talking about these for a very long time the category four i mean the idea of category for coming our category five coming on. I'm sure it's just absolutely devastating but the cat five just state over there for so long a real nightmare yeah most building codes you <music> as these mentioning he'll kengo like to a certain level but not for the duration they test. It usually would be tested. Maybe for. I don't know a couple of hours a day day or two. You know think of things that can hold together like nails yeah of sooner or later and some of those braces hold the roofs are just they can't hold you know forever so the thing i heard last night joe that that'd be concerning the stories that are coming out today. Is that before the hurricane hits. We tell everyone. Fill your bathtub with water. Fill every container you have with water because that's the first thing you need to survive after the hurricanes over with their starting to burn through their water yeah there are people now that are used used up all their pitchers and now they're looking at their bathtub and that's the only freshwater they have left and these are the structures that are remaining and even some of the better areas in freeport that are doing fine we we had someone on the phone last night here and we were doing the coverage. She said they're using the swimming pool now as the water to clean the dishes and debate themselves in the clean themselves that's the swimming pool complex complex water and then everyone else's rationing the water they have and that's what they're saying. We need water. I mean i know we have navy ships that are capable of desalination nation in providing fresh water. I haven't heard yet that ours is heading there but i certainly hope it is so you can just look at the pictures and you can understand what happened here. This is going to be a humanitarian humanitarian crisis of just the first order a we would win. Katrina was when we were going through katrina aftermath aftermath. I remember going over. We went over every day to mississippi louisiana. They needed water. We would fill up from the pensacola community. Just vans a and pickup trucks of water. We would drive them over in two or three minutes in mississippi. That'd be gone here. Of course there's no quick drive over from anywhere. It's mandatory quarters. We intent they're going to need to stay. I mean it's going to be so let me i. I know we have still have concerns with this storm or not done with it yet. I want to get to the forecast for all of our friends that are still dealing with it in areas from northern florida all through the carolinas. We're at one hundred and five mph our winter. We're still at a category two storm so it's only ninety miles off daytona beach right now. Let me give you the new forecast the overnight path from the hurricane center. It stays off the the florida coast and then the question that rent watch closely in about thirty six to forty eight hours. Is that northeast turn. When does it occur and how sharply does it occur right right now. The hurricane center has it just along. The coast possibly landfill out there on the outer banks. So what does all that mean the number one concern we have is storm surge it. We didn't with a category retu- we still could get a four to seven foot storm surge here along the south carolina coast. That's why they told everyone evacuate. Get out you should already be gone and in areas of north carolina it looks take about two to four feet storms moving a little quicker then so it's not going to be as great of a concern but you still storm surge warnings now all the way up here almost to onslow county in the camp lejeune marine base and then as far as rainfall goes areas of north carolina are very prone to flooding with the sound areas the album mara and the pinnacle sound to the newsroom with the cape fear river basin and we could get ten inches of rain in this area so florida has been brushed more like tropical storm. We could have all the facets of a storm typical hurricane we could have you know there's a lot of pine trees in in this area to of north carolina. If you get ninety to one hundred mph winds. We're going to get power. Outages could last days we're going to get the potential for river flooding and for freshwater flooding and a top komo over the next two days we do have the storm surge concern so florida is going to look back at this and say i can't believe how close that was a huge huge disaster but yeah we still have our friends up here in the carolinas that are crossing their fingers that they can be so lucky all right bill karen. Thanks so much and as you look at that track going up there. Miki obviously you have to worry about the low country between south carolina around charleston then it goes up to north carolina. The outer banks are always in danger of north carolina of just getting absolutely slammed so we've got to keep those people not done yet not thoughts and prayers as we move forward. I just say one more thing to start looking today. If you want to help the bahamas it's it's it's just an absolute nightmare. It's going to be a human crisis. The likes of which we just haven't seen probably since katrina around here so being looking whether it's americares or the red cross or whoever you think can get relief to to these people as quickly as possible with as little bureaucracy as possible and as little overhead as possible help out we're making you're going to be writing a check today to america specifically for this now news walmart forcefully responded to the national national gun debate yesterday when it announced it would stop selling ammunition used in military style assault rifles and high capacity magazines while also discouraging discouraging its customers from openly carrying guns in stores even in states where it is permitted. The announcement came exactly one month. After a gunman killed twenty two people at a walmart store in el paso texas according to a memo by walmart ceo to its associates after selling through the current inventory commitments which could take several weeks the company will stop selling certain short barrel rifle ammunition and all handgun amunition the retail giant also announced it would call on congress to increase background checks and consider a new assault rifle ban the n._r._a. Issued a statement writing in part quote. It is shameful to see walmart. I'm not gonna read. Just take down. I'm not gonna read three lobbyists in washington d._c. Putting a statement out that actually goes against what the majority overwhelming majority of republicans believe what the majority of n._r._a. Members believe the three people up. They're working for hedge funds that own gun companies. They are not going on ours. They're not the rank and file gun owners and you know that's the thing jonathan will mirror when you look at this debate. Yes people that have defended the second amendment their entire life like myself and you know after one fifteen slaughter after another air fifteen slaughter after another a._r. Fifteen slaughter in this case insufficient background checks led to the killing in odessa. There are a lot of conservatives. A lot of republicans eighty nine nine percent in fact the latest who support universal background checks a majority who support banning military style assault weapons of this this semiautomatic weapons and most americans overwhelming and sit enough walmart's hearing that other other companies. We're hearing that enough. The polar reflects it. It's not just americans want but specifically republicans wanted members want you some commonsense the background checks for things that the pulling is overwhelming and would seem to be a fairly obvious political winner receives it certainly democrats on the trail accomplishment of work in particular has been very fiery about this in recent days but others as well whether it's joe biden elizabeth warren and so on the question is whether republicans move on it when congress comes back to session we we've we've been reporting and associated press last couple of days. There is some movement behind the scenes for some sort of measures that the white house working sort of a hodgepodge of ideas that something the thing that they the president can get behind they can present as the white house bill but it's gonna be relatively modest stuff. It'll be improving bingo. The juvenile information gets into existing background checks. We saw the attorney. General is writing legislation that could make speed up capital punishment for mass shooter is of course there's some debate where that's sort of deterrence and so many of these shooters are looking to die anyway anyway in the moment in measures like that where the president can get out there is a sense in the white house can say we've done something that the won't support perhaps won't be so in opposing right are hoping that would be enough to quiet firestorm the politics of this have completely changed and i don't know if republicans all we can have figured it out businesses have figured it out but the overwhelming majority of republicans ninety percent at nine ten support enhanced background aren't checks universal background checks to keep guns out of the hands of terrorists keep guns out of the hands of domestic abusers. Keep guns out of the hands of people that are mentally elite the ill suited for guns up but you know in two thousand eighteen n._r._a. Was badly outspent. They were just trounced. They don't have the money they used to have because wayne lapierre's and three lobbyists in washington d._c. Have been it has been according to reports looting the coffers and buying hundreds of thousands of dollars of italian suits and trying to buy six million dollar mansions. There's a guy in south florida brian masse. He supported a ban on military style weapons. He's a guy who you know went to war lost his legs in war. He knows about war and he not only won reelection. He won with a larger <unk> margin. This is not a lose ignite. This is what we would go around in our office and laugh off as a ninety ten issue when somebody get on the floors and <hes> porn is so poor and would laugh go good courage on the ninety ten issue. This is an issue now win. Will republicans figure here it out well. It is a ninety ten issue but if you go back a couple elections the n._r._a.'s you know it was a huge spender. They actually spent more money than all the other c four. 's put together gather on political lobby and they had all this money behind them and as you said at the moment the n._r._a.'s in the middle of its own set of scandals in pierre is in the middle of its own of his own set of scandals. It'll be really interesting to see whether a combination of that and the public pressure can actually emasculate the n._r._a. Once and for all as for walmart they are as you said responding responding to their kind of the way when you say masculine. Let's be very careful the three lobbyists in washington d._c. Who are making themselves rich and who work for hedge funds <music> and themselves and fly around family members on private jets with hairstylists. That's who i'm serious. We're not talking about n._r._a. Members we're talking talking about the scam artists in washington d._c. The three people that have gotten fat rich and happy for members twos but go ahead. I can't quite match. Is that a match and i just wanna make sure when people go through fan yeah because right now they know they've been scam artists and stealing their money well wayne lapierre has had the n._r._a. And hemlock he has had complete and utter control over huge amounts of money and has been able to allocate it to these three hedge fund guys in washington or or whomever and now that may well becoming an end because of the n._r._a. Zone problems as well as the public pressure but as for walmart yeah they are responding to public pressure. They're good guy doug macmillan the c._e._o. <hes> walmart is a good guy but they're trying to find a balance because their customers are real customers and you kind of various walmart sells twenty percent of all the ammunition sold in america arca for all kinds of guns but they did ban assault weapons since two thousand fifteen they did raise the minimum age for gun purchases to twenty one last year so there i think getting on the program thanks to pressure from their customers happening in doors sporting similar. They're taking measures but also she just unlock here. I mean despite you certainly a weakened status. He's still on the president's here. He is still talking to oh. Yes the president trump you routinely and preying on the fear. The president has of losing his base. We know that is the thing that donald donald trump nightmares and somehow some of his base would be eroded others or other forces are trying to tell the president. Look your base stays with you through everything. This is zabol where you can support some stuff. They'll stay with you and you could provide cover for republicans who are nervous about this boat. You might get something done so as joe mentioned law enforcement officials tell on a._b._c. the news that the gunman who killed seven people and injured nearly two dozen in that shooting rampage in west texas on saturday purchases weapon from a private live at seller a transaction that does not require a background check officials say the gunman had previously failed a background check in two thousand fourteen because of a disqualifying qualifying mental health issue and that investigators are now looking into who sold him the gun. The seller could face criminal charges if they are aware era of the shooter's mental health issues senate minority leader chuck schumer released a statement yesterday blaming the shooting on republicans in the senate forestalling on a house house-passed bill that would require background checks for nearly all private sales. Senator schumer writes quote. If the house passed background <hes> background checks bill would have been signed into law. This tragedy would have been avoided leader mcconnell. You have no excuse. The senate must vote on the house bill. Oh next week not a diluted bill not a bill and other matters. We must take a vote on the house passed bill to close these loopholes without delay delay and the washington post is also calling on mitch mcconnell with a full-page editorial this morning entitled do something mr mcconnell when the senate returns from its labor day recess. It must act on guns. The editorial includes the name of mass shooting victims from incidents such as columbine combined sandy hook last month shooting in dayton and el paso and many many more the editorial board writes part. What if there was a mass shooting in the united states dates not once or twice or four or six times monthly but every single day a big one the kind that electrifies social media and squat sport a days on page one would that be enough to move senate majority leader mitch mcconnell from his insistent inertia on gun safety would any evolve of bloodshed convinced the kentucky republican that congress faces a moral imperative to act thirty eight people were slain in three such shootings in august in dayton ohio and el paso as well as west texas and still senate republicans and president trump trump refuse to act mitch mcconnell says he is open to do something but is waiting for the white house. We're in a discussion about what <hes> to to do on the gun issue in the wake of these horrendous shootings. I said several weeks ago if the president took a position on a bill that so we knew we would actually be making a law and not just having surreal real votes. I'd be happy to put it on the floor and the administration is in the process of studying what they're prepared to support if anything and expect to get an answer that next week while i mean that's what moscow mitch okay. This guy's legacy and it's going to be two things i think right now richard is she's gonna the legacy of of basically doing the work of flat amir putina next k._g._b. Agent and <hes> and russia who mitch mcconnell has been told by the f._b._i. The c._i._a. The director of national intelligence united states military. It's been told oh by everybody that russia is trying to interfere and disrupt our democratic process that we are under attack so mitch mcconnell is killing republican bills like marco rubio's and democratic bills that would protect the homeland from this attack from russia and moscow mitch is doing nothing about it but he's killing every bill including marco rubio's bill that simply says if we get somebody interfering with american democracy we will put sanctions on moscow mitch kill that bill to moscow mitch is killed every single bill that the intel community you said we'll protect america so that's his legacy not protecting us from enemies foreign and what about his legacy protecting us from domestic enemies people that would shoot children first graders the friday before they go home for christmas holiday where they are fifteen or people that would shoot wildly from their car and odessa texas and she seventeen month old babies in the back seat of their cars or would shoot up people going to worship jesus in texas churches churches the do nothing about it or shoot up people going to walmart for back back to school shopping but mitch mcconnell just like moscow mitch won't do anything to protecting us from foreign enemies. He's he has been the one person that has killed every one of these bills to protect us from our domestic enemies that are gunning down our children every every day. What's what's his in game. What's his legacy. Where does it end who supports moscow mitch doing vladimir putin's bidding and killing republican bills to you secure the homeland against russian interference at donald trump's f._b._i. Director c._i._a. Director director of national intelligence and military intel if all told moscow mitch russia is invading this country and we need to protect the homeland even cures to nilsson milton when she was a head of the department of homeland security said this is a threat to american democracy does nothing against our foreign born enemies. He does nothing against domestic enemies. What is his legacy. I think the legacy is pretty clear. It's unilateral surrender in terms of protecting american democracy by the way not just against russia but conceivably against north koreans iranians chinese and others who are not taking the steps apps we should we're not fighting back on gun control. We're not doing anything and background. Checks are necessary but not sufficient other countries have mental simple illness roughly equal levels of prevalence so mental illness cannot be the only factor that shaping american gun violence. Obviously availability of certain weapons is is part of it. His legacy will also be. I think undermining the functioning of the senate when it came to supreme court nominations the garland nomination the nation whatever you think about carlin versus cavanaugh the idea that the united states senate would not act for you're basically arbitrarily saying we interpret the constitution russian to me that the president can appoint a supreme court justice in the last year year and a half of his term where did where did that. Come from conservatives are meant to believe in process us in institutions and what we have conservatives who no longer believe in processes are institutions. We'll get to later expert but the contrast between so called conservatives served in the united states and those in britain is really on display and we saw i actually think and we'll get we'll get to destroy but the difference between people who really embraced conservatism as opposed to if you will party them and the difference between both sides of the atlantic right now is clinton. President trump is it's. It's not it's not conservative but but i think to richard's point what happened in the u._k. Was the equivalent of marco rubio ted cruz chuck grassley and whole bunch of senior senior republicans basically basically saying no boss. We're not going to do this anymore. So you have these twenty-one tories in britain including the grandson winston churchill in tune including former quotas the secretary of the treasury here basically basically breaking with the prime minister here. You have a bunch of sheep who are following donald trump right off the cliff when susan page that's exactly what happened last last night. In britain you had twenty four conservative saying boris johnson. We are not going to follow you off the cliff and yet time and again. We're seeing republicans in washington d._c. Just being silent despite the fact ninety percent of americans want them mm to pass universe ninety four percent of americans. I'm sorry let me be exact want to see them. Pass universal background checks and you know there's no issue who on which congressional republicans are more at odds with public opinion than the issue of some of these gun measures including the measures that the house already has passed and and and since the senate i did think we saw a slightly different tone on the part of of <hes> senate majority lea leader mcconnell yesterday in that he was openly saying we're gonna do what trump is willing to support and if president trump is not does not give us confidence that he'll actually support and then follow through and sign again measure. We're not going to bring it up but he did indicate bring up the white house. If the white house went there i is not the traditional role of co equal branch of government but <hes> but it is the approach that this <hes> republican controlled senate has has taken this president just one other point going back to walmart. You know one thing that strikes me about walmart's decision at this point in their previous decisions limiting some sales of guns ammunition. This is not exactly been in jerry's aries taking a political stance. This is a company that is the largest employer in the private employer in the state's biggest retailer in the united states grounded in red america in rural and conservative parts of our country saying that they're willing to take these steps and calling on congress do that that strikes me as as important important to note when you look at the elements of american society beyond the government saying enough is enough when it comes to this gun violence it is it is pretty remarkable in richard. I mean it is i mean. Can you believe would get to a point where you'd have a senate majority leader later saying i can't do anything unless the president allows me to do something into unless he gives me permission here. A the man is granted by the constitution of the united states and the people of this country all the power of article one and yet he meet glee says. I can't do anything unless donald trump gives me permission to do anything we we can. We can call him the majority follower rather than the majority leader but this is not a one off in issue after she whether it's new sanctions the use of tariffs and so forth the congress congress has transferred all sorts of authority to the executive. We've created a degree of an imperial presidency that we've never had over one hundred pieces of president is is using law that was never intended to be used to allow himself to unilaterally make foreign policy economic policy and the rest and congress is not not pulling back these authorities so this is exceptional and again the hypocrisy of it me after what they said about barack obama and his use of executive orders here. They're going to sit back and let donald trump go in and raid pentagon funding to build. We have some questions attention to build his wall. Yeah he tried emergency funding now. He's going to still it from our pentagon. Budget believable bowl to fulfill a campaign promise that he hasn't been able to fulfill because republicans haven't given him that money we're going that'd be asking <hes> jim madison about that and some other things later on in the show hi. It's katie ter- want to keep up with m._s._n._b._c. while you're on the go subscribe to the m._s._n._b._c. n._s. N._b._c. daily newsletter. You'll get the best of what you've missed. During this unprecedented era of news text m._s._n._b._c. two six six eight six six to subscribe. I think that the republicans are going to be great and leave the judge. If the president took a position <hes> uh on a bill so that we knew we would actually be making a law president. Trump says congress will take the lead lead on gun reform. Mitch mcconnell says it's up to the president to act. I is it any wonder why nothing gets done. Meanwhile america reels from one mass shooting after another after another welcome back to morning joe. It is wednesday september fourth with us. We have the president of the council on foreign relations nations richard haass m._s._n._b._c. contributor mike barnicle white house reporter for the associated press jonathan lanier and proud to welcome to the table former defense hence secretary retired four-star marine general james mattis and former assistant secretary of defense for international security affairs under president reagan ebbing west. They are co authors of the new book entitled. Call sign chaos learning to lead and we welcome you both this show here here by the way barnacle if mr west does sorts mr haas if you could salary history here i know that terrible robin we surely of among some her coming in so why don't we just we'll. We'll aw paul to you first. Why did you book. I would very fortunate tell you the truth. Go i was able to lead forty sailors and marines as a second lieutenant and at twenty one years old and have n._c._o.'s teach me leadership principles and eventually. I commanded a quarter million u._s. Allied troops across the middle east and i learned a lot about leadership from direct leadership two strategic and when you get to my color hair you wanna pass on the lessons learned so interesting interesting is reading your book civilian sink the marines very button-down you follow waters kept talking time and time again about initiative should've ingenuity you kept talking about about actually breaking out of the mold and one of the most important leadership 'cause you can have is not stifling creativity creativity explain how that fits in a pretty tough buttoned-down culture well i would say the marines are very disciplined supplier but they're not very regimented. Some of the most un regimented thinkers i've ever been around and leaders job is is the ultimate vision. Make certain you say what you want to accomplish and then when you define it in very very clear terms you back off. Take your hands off the steering wheel and let young people that you've trained and use their initiative use their aggressiveness to carry it out and they will surprise you with their ingenuity. They will grab opportunities that you could not possibly have seen from your remote location so it. It's a wonderful way to get ownership for any mission. I don't care if you're in business or on the battlefield or on the football field you want initiative issued by your young people. You don't wanna stateful it november. We're not gonna get answer from the general and this one so all say to you you all wrote down the three cs for shop and it was competence right be really good and the basics now at the nuclear triad is understand the part i mean we could go down the lear but be hood in the basic secondly caring teddy roosevelt. I love the quote people. They don't care which you know until they know with debt. You care exactly now. That doesn't sound like a lot of leaders. We have in washington d._c. Well then you come to the third one conviction. You have to know what that leader stands for and the reason i want to write. This book is because i spent a couple of decades on the battlefields with jim and he was always at the front but the troops knew that he was going to win those battles that he was sent in for and he was going to do the best he could for them and and they got that he was gonna take care of them but he was going to get that mission done time and time again i saw him at the front and i thought this can make an kind of an interesting brooke about how he led and even when you had policy chaos he went through three presidents. It wasn't just president trump. I mean president bush president obama. All three of them took on more than they should. Just stop right there. Let me open this up to the all because it's not a because as you say the and we live in such a tribalize culture culture talk badly about talk badly about president trump my relatives. Don't talk to me if i talk badly about barack obama. I got other people who don't talk look if i talk badly about george w bush's for me. It's just we're so tribal. Nobody seems to be able to step back. I wanna talk about the last nineteen years because in two thousand we were really at the height of our power probably in our history we stood alone in two thousand the last nineteen years we had one foreign policy disaster after another all either overreach after nine eleven or overreaction reaction to the overreach. Let's talk about the past nineteen years 'cause you all are critical rightly of the last three presidents. I think joe what your point now. Now i would agree with as far as the definition of the problem but for one word where you said we stood alone. Our alliances were a a big part of why we stood astride the world a model for others to follow and i have been on many battlefields. I was privileged to fight many times for this. This great big experiment. We call america and i would just tell you that i was never on a crowded battlefield. I would never out there without allies. When i went into afghanistan aghanistan a couple of months after this town was hit after maniacs attack this town and killed three thousand innocent people from ninety one countries we were in fighting in the dust bowl afghanistan and right alongside us joining us for troops from canada and the united kingdom ordway so let let's let me restate that because obviously it's something we talk about every every day that we're only strong as alliance but united states. It's was extraordinarily powerful. We've gone from his bipolar world world where we were. We were first among equals. That's changed over the past nineteen years and i mean we can start with what happened in two thousand and two when they were telling you a war was going to start up in iraq and we can talk about what happened after we supposedly won that war and you know and we had bremmer do what he did right. We'll go ahead being yeah well. I was going to say that it struck me because after he spent years in vietnam we got into this thing in afghanistan in iraq. I fought richard and jim and mike in kind of a sloppy manner. Jim used to spend days on rehearsals ensuring everyone. Everyone knew what we were doing and why we were doing it and it seemed to me that if the top policy was made willy nilly by people not taking the time to be able to explain that policy to that corporal who is going to go out on that battlefield and rescues life that i didn't think the people at the policy level taking the time to get them message right jim well. This is a problem not just with anyone administration it. I think it's a problem problem. Crosses the western democracies right now they have trouble believing that their values are worth defending and if you actually have to go into a fight yet to choose <music> how to fight and you'd have to determine to win the fight. You can't go in and say whoa that this was a mistake something like that when you take that grave decision it's it's gotta be for a sound reason you have to have a strategic purpose of policy and like being said we did not rigorously look at the problem we did not not define the problem sufficiently and we didn't find a number of plumbed. I think it starts in the nineteen nineties when we expand nato and i'm not sure sure that we've really examined the second order consequences of expanding nato in the way we did. I'm not against expanding it but i think if you were to go back to the root cause take a look at how we teach history on university campuses today. I don't think we're preparing young men and women for leadership historically auricle informed leadership because history may not be perfect but it's the only guide we have. It'll light the path ahead and at least tell you two things how did people before you deal with something successfully and unsuccessfully. Now you know the right questions to ask when you hit these inflection points you're referring to if you can't read mike. You can't leave general mattis history element of this. We've been talking about it for decades almost a decade now but the lack of history being taught children in grandma's american history our history in yeah in nevermind college grammar school high school but in this theme before we get into the redundancy of you saying you're not going to speak about trump. I don't kill hamlet into i a lot of people i can't wait to hear from off of the discussion. The joe was having with the two of you. Ambassador khalilzad is now in the process basis of coming up with some sort of withdrawal formula for the united states troops remained in afghanistan. How concerned are you about annella moment that people don't understand co force protection in terms of the troops over there now withdrawing those troops. Do you agree with what's being done right now. Well mike mike. I don't know enough about the specifics in the back chatter. That's going on the negotiations comment about that force protection the military will take career force protection. It'll be as good as they can. Make it under the circumstances. They're dealt but i think to in this town in one thousand nine hundred eighty four secretary of state george scholz gave a talk about terrorism and that's what's got to inform us today and he said <hes> terrorism is going to be with us. It's going to cost us innocent. People in our croup lives. It's an ambient threat today. Seventeen years after george shultz said that nine eleven happens right here in this town now we can wanna war over. We can declare the war over but the enemy gets vote and the bottom line. Is you negotiation mike. This has got to accommodate and take take into account the enemies vote. What is the enemy going to. That's just the reality we live in. I'd like to bring more positive message to you and say well. You know it's all going to be over and we're gonna live happily ever after and we saw what happened when the intelligence community warned president obama that if you pull all the troops out of iraq iraq you'll have to go back in for our interests and that's exactly what happened so that's the concern i have again. We're not even being informed by recent history in some of what we're doing but i i can't comment on the specific to this one. I don't want to pretend to know details that i don't generally one of the stories today but it's not a new story is the use of military construction funds being transferred and being used along the southern border where u._s. forces are being detailed and being deployed loyd. It happened when you were in the pentagon. It's happening again now. How can we justify the transfer of american troops to southern border given all the things were coping with in the middle east asia and europe. How can we make an argument. That's a legitimate use of american military forces given mall the demands on these courses around the world colonel commanding a regiment in the nineteen ninety. S one of my task was to deploy battalions of infantry this course under president edging clinton to the southwest border to help set up listening outpost in order to warn the border patrol where people are coming across. I think we've forgotten gotten under president bush. We deployed troops to the border. President obama had troops on the border armed troops on the border as well per for seven of eight years so it's how we are doing it today where we're increasingly in an adversarial relationship between the executive branch and the legislative and i think we have to look at it in this way. I think it was einstein. He said you know if given an hour to save the world. How would he composes thoughts. He said it's been fifty five minutes defining the problem and i'd save the world and five minutes i think our executive branch and legislative have to sit down and define the problem to mutual <hes> all satisfaction otherwise every solution either one proposes the other one's going to say that that doesn't address the problem as i see it. We're not defining the problem sufficiently to come up with a collaborative stance out of washington d._c. Between the congress and the executive print reminds me of an albanian friend of mine says measure nine times yeah hammer wants our saw once and <hes> back with problem awesome so i wanna ask you about some of the news that we've been reporting this morning. The pentagon is cancelling three point six billion dollars in military. I projects funding instead to fund for trump's border wall. The move has been authorized by defense secretary mark asper it will affect one hundred twenty seven different construction projects officials said half the money would come from planned international projects the other half if needed would come from domestic projects details on which projects would be put on hold. We're not released but your reaction sir to this shift in funding toward the wall. You know i i left the administration under policy disagreement. I put it in a letter <hes> the president and i had our usual straightforward discussion <hes> the a discussion with open <hes> between us and i i disagree with this idea that you can leave office and immediately become a critic right <hes> the secretary of defense right now. <hes> is a fine man. He's doing the best he can. The president secretary of state they have great response but this is a very very very dangerous world and i do not wanna sit in one i now consider to be my cheap seats right and without full information like you like you said we don't know what the projects are. I can't really calculate this. My concern is the breakdown of trust because in leading as i point out repeatedly in the book but that being an i wrote trust is the coin of the realm when you're in a leadership position and so are we building trust among the decision makers in washington again and i think that starts with defining a problem quantifying the problem to the degree you can so that at least you have some known facts that everyone agrees on and then deciding what what to do about it. I'm not in a position. I think to walk out of the administration over a policy disagreement and then become a critic. I believe in what the french call duty of quiet divide reserve and the reason is. I don't want to add what simply right now l. the corrosive political debates. I don't think it's helpful. I don't think it's necessary so to that point earlier in the conversation. We talked about our values. Oh you speaking worth defending and with all due respect to obviously national security secrets and issues you can't speak on but there's so much just to say about the damage being done to our alliances the breakdown of our core values the respect for the basics of our constitution at what point when is it time to stand up and speak to what is happening and you may call it the cheap seats but you have a lot more insight and credibility than anybody who's ever been at this table <hes> and at what point to say something or orascom part of the problem because we know what has how we see what is happening and yet nobody speaks to it with the with the insight that perhaps someone you would have like. I don't know how i could spoken more loudly to where i stand than what i put in my letter of resignation and and quitting a job when i had not completed bladed two years in i think to this goes back several administrations. This didn't start overnight this about one man and the solutions not going to be about one person speaking out. It's going to be about the majority of americans and that's enough. We owe better to the next generation than what we're doing right now and we he goes up in the luckiest generation all of us at this table. The greatest generation raised us. We're not turning that over to the neck during right once you help nope. I'm sorry weren't you helped by reading robert gates book where he talked about. The shortcomings of the president's he worked for wasn't it. It wasn't that helpful to you. As you prepare for your own <hes> it was very helpful and each of the former secretary of defense from both republican and democrat administrations immediately made themselves available would come and have lunch with me that the point i would make is that what the right-wing senator vandenberg from michigan said when challenged l. and why do you work with that terrible democrat president truman and he said the defense of the country is a non partisan issue basically said politics and enjoy the water's edge. What is the institution that is most admired the american because the most confidence in in polls year after year. It's the military why is that because we're apolitical. We stay out of the politics. We defend the experiment that you and i call america. Those are a statute of limitations imitations probably on policy and strategy yes <hes> there will come a time not right now when competence and character to i i believe the political assessments should be left to the wisdom of the american people. Let me ask you this much. Well let me just make a point general bradley after world war two with the chairman joint chiefs of staff and he said when a general retired their uniform they should retire their tongue on these kinds of issues issues and the reason is when i walked into your studios this morning people greeted general mattis. Now i consider myself jim medicine. I'm from the west and and i'm jim but i will be forever in some people's eyes ah general and i think we have a tradition that goes back over two hundred years george washington george marshall that military people do not dictate or pass evaluations on political leaders or tell the american people people. This is the way you should be thinking or maybe some people would misinterpret and say he's telling the uniform military now how they should be voting. I don't think this is helpful at all and i remind my wife honey the doctor present ski. I'll who dr presents. I don't know if you all knew this or not yet opinions lots of opinions and he always shared those opinions but in the ten fifteen years that i knew him. I'm in the most private conversations. He never once said anything negative about jimmy carter his his commander in chief. It was always positive and if you try to ever move him there took a wall went up so i always respected admired him for that. We we think that you should make an exception before the twenty twenty election. Let's get back because i don't want to be. What's fascinating about this. Book is is it's <music> a great book on leadership and it reminds some things you say. He reminds me of another book. That's really changed the way i think about recruiting talent in the book called range but but you say in here early on you recruit for attitude you're trained for skill skill sets. I mean they change range at ten years from now. So many skills are just going to be obsolete talk about for both you talk about recruiting attitude attitude because that you said that's a weapon in and of itself out. I'm glad you asked that question because we started this spoke in two thousand thirteen because i spent so much time on the battlefields with jim later he's become the statesman you wanna talk about the lodge level things in the key state capitals in the capital of our country etc but much of this book is about story story story about leading when jim i had a platoon and then forty men and then four hundred men than four thousand men and what he had to learn about leadership as you wanna long it story after story being what you just said gets to you and your life and you said to me that you don't want to be speaking speaking from the cheap seats you almost more than anyone i know paid for your chiefs paid for it and blood and treasure in the leadership of men who lost in so a year ago tomorrow someone i don't know who who wrote an anonymous op ed in the new york times in part. They wrote this to be clear. Ours is not the popular resistance of the left. We want the administration to succeed and think that many of its policies already made america safer and more prosperous but we believe our first duty is to this country in the president continues to act in a manner that is detrimental to the health of our republic. The root of the problem is the president's amorality anyone who works with him knows he is not moored to any discernible frisk chris principles that guide his decision making you agree with that. I wouldn't comment on it other than to say that <hes>. I've never believed in cowardice. <hes> if i felt that strongly about something i would have signed it. I would have been right up front about it. I think you would old. Oh that that degree of candor but i think to we have to look at this as a as a cast of everyone's character in america again. I don't think that we i have a problem today. That suddenly suddenly mushroomed into <hes> into our observation and what we're seeing here in the last <hes> six months last two years or last five years. I think this is a growing problem inside america. We've lost a fundamental friendliness with one another. We've we've lost a sense of fairness. We really believe in some cases. There are people believe i'm right about everything and that guide wrong about everything and if we don't wake up to the idea that the people we disagree with our fellow americans if we don't understand that once in a while the people disagree with are actually right and if we don't roll apart sleeves and start working together then we're going to have a problem in this experiment because this was set up so it would not work without cooperation collaboration collaborations and compromise it would set up that way with three coequal branch of government and just to add more problems to it. There's a bicameral legislature so we're going to have to address this in less personal terms than whether or not we agree with a condemnation of any single political leader because i'm sure i can find a letter just as damning about people on the left this this is the very problem we face right now. Instead of being hard on the issues we're hard on each other and we actually left the issues go. When you're talking about issues here this morning that we've not yet even defined the problem. We're trying to solve to mutual agreement and you you talk doc actually at the end of the book the very end of the book you talk about out of many one and you talk about the tribe tune that abraham lincoln man who gained his life and along with about six hundred seventy thousand other americans gave their lives uniting the union and here we are you said lincoln the great emancipator would be very very distressed by just how divided we are yeah. You know foreign lady one night january cold rainy in washington d._c. Called a called me and said she wanted to see that she was in town. I'd known her previously first time to washington wanted to see the lincoln monument the lincoln memorial memorial and i'd rather grudgingly got up and got dressed and went over and got her tucker down and she's walking around inside their this cold night taking pictures of everything including the words on the wall. I'm sitting slumped up against the wall reading with malice for none and charity for all at a time when we were killing one another in this country killing each other on the industrial scale in a civil war he could already see we would have to find a way to find charity for each other with malice for none. How many of us wake up in the morning now with malice per none that we disagree with that's the problem i could not have run that atm marine division. I could not have led that marine division. There's no businessman who could run a business with that degree of dissension inside we need to understand how to run in school districts and run perish and run towns and cities and governed that sort of thing with a sense of common purpose again and that's one of the reasons i wrote the book because we could not across that bridge into baghdad right. If i had people inside argue once a decision was made. Here's how we're going to do what you couldn't do it right now. The democracy is not a military organisation but the sense of high spirits and selflessness in the military certainly is something that we could look at our country yeah now extraordinary that lincoln that was lincoln's second inaugural address at that time if lincoln could say with malice toward none then <hes>. We need to figure out a way to get together. Charles lemaire with the associated press has a question secretary mattis. I just wanted to if you tell us a little bit about your relationship with with the president. He's someone you've written. You did not know <hes> prior to your first interview with him before he took the position position talk to you about how how you communicate with him. How did he absorb information. What was the best way for you to talk to him. How did that relationship evolve and have you spoken to him since you've resigned right well. I've not spoken to him since since i resigned but he's busy. I assume you've got probably the toughest job in the world. We i'd never met the president. I took no part in the in the campaign i don't believe general should get involved and in in elections and speaking out so when i got the phone call from vice president pence vice president-elect pence to come back for the interview i went back to the interview and the communication. The president guided discussion about forty thirty minutes long. We talked about several things. I disagreed with him. On on three of the primary point she brought up so i thought well that takes care of that. I'm on on my way back to the west coast and my good life and we walked out on the steps and <hes> and wouldn't you know it. I got surprised the second time that week when he said that i was the real deal and he he would be nominated. He likes her nickname. Perhaps he did. I didn't like it and i didn't tell to their own opinion. It's great big america yeah so over over the months that almost two years two years that i was secretary of defense i would talk on the phone occasionally. I didn't like that as much. I like going face to face as i get to know my boss and i'm from out west where we say you ride for the brand and i swore an oath to uphold the constitution so i road for the brand i would see him weekly. We would have lunch together sometime. Just he is sometimes the chief of staff often secretary state <hes> but we i would brief him on what we were doing. We had very straightforward discussions. There was no <hes> dissembling. You know the kind of man he is. He's right up front and i i'm. I'm pretty i'm pretty blunt in my communication style so there was nothing going on there. I often chafed against the idea that i would have the adult in the room as if i was doing doing something off in the corner that he wasn't aware of that's the way i i deal with any boss. I've had i've always been right up front and once in a while. It's got me and hot water. At least my gosh always knew whatever the message was. I would bring it to the now. One of my favorite stories in the transition was when somebody wrote that he thought that he was getting george patton with that nickname ended up getting george marshall so being what is the gimenez joe and i'm no george mar. Just tell no. You're right up front. You know one of my heroes. A lot of people would disagree with that <hes> so let's talk about the book and and have if their c._e._o.'s out there watching or they're small business owners that are watching right there somebody that wants to start a business or our football coach. It's trying trying to figure out who to recruit for their college football team. You just go down the list. What what for you what's the most important leadership ships skill that comes out of this book because you all give us a great story about what leadership can do where you had the the commander in vietnam that said nobody can predict when they're going to die but they can control how they're going to face death and how that inspired aspired those young men in vietnam. How do you inspire people today the workforce. How do you find the leaders of tomorrow for your business for your organization for your church search well one of the reasons i wanted to write. This book with jim is that he had a leadership style that really resonated as he kept going up and rank. I realized that it was because he had two basic principles in the first laws. Whatever the task was he spent an enormous amount of time getting the vision and the goals straight as the leader. He'd say this is what i think we have to do any you would make sure he had the back defining the problem time and time again. Who is it somebody one. One leader one said ninety. The presenting problem is defining what it is once. Jim had done that so that every corporal understood everyone then he took his hands off and he didn't believe in command and control what i really liked about and we try to get into the stories. This isn't about command and control troll. Get rid of that word control. When you are the leaders jim was you set the vision and then you empower your subordinates trust them and and encourage their initiative jim now you reward the initiative. I think and what you want to make sure you're doing too is you're selecting who ooh going to be representing you. Subordinate leaders generally speaking when growing up in the naval service the navy and marines gave me first rate leaders they. We're well trained for whatever we knew they would have to do. They were well educated to take in stride the things they couldn't anticipate for you knew how to solve things you could. We're unpredictable mcdougal but i wanted humility out of those people. I wanted people humble enough to know. They didn't know what all the reason. You have. People call commander or c._e._o. Oh or leader it because they cannot do. The job on their own can't do it on their own that they're given all these other people and assets. So how do you enlist down to the youngest. Sailors marines mm arrange enlist their ownership about mission in general you have the unique gift of being able to say follow me because it's a nas not a youth thing <hes> your life and your family has been the united united states marine corps. You've written letters to mother's parents of young men who served under you who have been killed in battle. What does that do to some. What does that do to you. Well that's <hes>. I'm not sure i'm articulate. Take you let enough to explain that. It humbles you. It humbles you to know that <hes> from the twenty year old corporal who pointed a nineteen eighteen year old and points toward the enemy the guy nods and gets up and starts moving against them to the the admirals and generals that stole so much rides on when i when i gave them their orders and saying here's and you need to get out in the waters of the persian gulf. I need to keep those sea lanes open but i can't. I can't support you getting into a war. We've got to avoid war at all costs. You know you eventually. It really drove home. Appoint mike that comes to mind here. You'll know what my primary job was. The commander of us central command. I coordinated all the military activities in the united states across that tumultuous middle east my real job was how do you keep the peace for one more year or what passes pro-peace apiece in the middle east one more month one more week one more day one more hour to give the diplomats time to work their magic and try to make this a little bit better world so you write fewer of those letters home to be ov want the diplomats always speaking from a position of strength and that that was why we have a military out there to ensure that they do you might mention jim what you kept under your desk onto the butter of your desk. Yeah being knows kosovo well. He knows that i still keep this this question. I used to stand at a stand up desk where all the deployment orders come in <hes> sending young troops young young men and women young patriot volunteered defend this experiment overseas and the question i wrote down to myself was will this commitment contributes tributes sufficiently to the well being of the american people to justify putting our troops in a position to die not in harm's way do not possibly get injured in a position to die and i would look at i sat right there on my desk. I hand wrote. It and i put a taped it to my desk for that. I would never overlook it and then the deployment orders would come in twice a week generally and i would be signing off on them and they're very a sensitive in many cases now. The cases are very straightforward. You read about the casualty lists later on this very new show but it's very sobering sobering. It's very humbling and it also brings a sense of gravity and responsibility that changes everything about how you look at the world mister secretary secretary general mattis. Thank you so much for being with us being west. Thank you so much for being with us to call sign chaos learning to lean we thank you both both for being with us this morning for such an extended period of time and we'll be right back with much more warning chat. Hey it's chris as from m._s._n._b._c. it every day. I come to the office and we make television. Show an everyday. I think to myself there's so much more. I want to talk about and so this is our podcast. It's called. Why is this happening and the whole idea behind it is to get to the root of the things that we see lee out every day. They're driven by big ideas each week. I sit down with a person uniquely suited you to explain why this is happening new episodes of why is this happening every tuesday. Listen for free wherever you get your podcasts.