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Parkland Shooting Survivor Cameron Kasky

The Rubin Report

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Parkland Shooting Survivor Cameron Kasky

"Yeah. Joining me today is an activist and advocate who co-founded the student led gun control advocacy group. Never again, MST. He also helped organize the March for our lives. Mation wide student protests earlier this year Cameron Caskey. Welcome to the Rubin report for having me. I'm really happy that you're here for many reasons mostly because you strike me suddenly as someone that's trying to find some common ground these days, and we're going to get into that and a whole bunch more. But of course, I have to mention top. You are survivor of the park when shooting in Florida. Before we go all into that and everything that you've been through since just tell me a little bit about life before because I assume you have a life before and now a new life. Well, you know, I spent most of my life as your typical little shit Stor who just said, whatever you wanted to voice. I was always so convinced that I was right about everything whether that was nature nurture is kind of up to interpretation, but I really grew up just dead set on the fact that I, I knew everything. Everything I said was right, and I was genius. I learned the hard way recently little to recently that I'm not. And that was a crazy awakening learning that you don't know everything. The entire world is actually an interesting experience, but one of the things that helped me a lot was doing theater. I was a big theater kid because I, this voice, I always wanted to express myself. I was I was flipping loud all the time and I didn't know what to do with it. You know, I was knocking doors for. KOMO and seven. Wow. Yeah, I was really interested in, you know, being active with all that. I mean, I knew nothing. I thought that John McCain was running with Tina Fey, not Sarah Palin really only seen the news and I guess I got mixed up seven. I didn't expect myself to be a policy expert, but you know, again, I think the point is I was always really excited to speak, and I got involved drama and drama said, hey, you have a voice, here's way to use it and you learn a lot of lessons from doing. Have you ever done anything Steve school? Not in high school. I did spend twelve years doing stand up comedy in New York City, which is a whole other nightmare. But I I was wanted to stand up and then I tried it once when I was seven years old. I was on a cruise, my family, and there was a kind of dolts only nightclub. It wasn't really the, you're able to get if you're younger, but I was the only person they're under maybe forty and they had an open mic and I kept on. I kept on raising my hand to get on the host. Saying, no. Was doing in finally caved in. All right, let's get up here and and walk up there and drop a three minute routine. I make a joke about my dad's penis, which was an interesting experience. And the thing is I did not know that while I was sitting alone in the front row, I snuck out of my room. My parents went to the club and I didn't see them while so I'm I'm out there also send you the clip privately. I'm not there. Four foot three and everybody's drunk. So they think I'm a riot. So I think I'm right, and I just kept going and going to the point where. The guy who's running the open, Mike was just looming behind me waiting for me to be done, but I guess he just didn't want to grab the mic from a small child without looking kind of weird stand up is probably best on once at seven years old and never again, you're doing everybody's had their fifteen minutes of fame when they were seven on cruise. Yeah. All right. So so you were a theater kid. Anything else we should know about? Just like high school life, like high school life for a kid in twenty seventeen twenty eighteen what's it like. I'm not that old, but I ain't seen anymore. Well, I high school is really fun for me. I really enjoyed it on a social level. I was a shitty student. My test scores were always good, but my grades were all because I never bothered to do homework. I thought I was too smart and cool for that. But I liked high school a lot because I, I never really subscribe to one social circle. I kind of hung out with a lot of people. You know, kids who were stereotypical popular kids. I was just the guy that was funny out, hang out with them. Sometimes kids who were the stereotypical nerd. We would talk about movies and comic books which I want to get into your conduct collection. And I say that my core corporate was the heater kids. I love my friends from drama, and it's really fun. Having a group of friends where you'll you'll be hanging on the weekend, shooting the shed, and then you'll get to school and either be falling in love with each other and making out on stage or killing each other on stage. You know, we just did fiddler on the roof and I got to marry one of my best friends. I'm sure you're familiar. Yeah. Yeah, I am familiar with alerts is a classic. Yeah. So all right. So it sounds like a pretty normal childhood been so far? I don't think someone like me created by normal childhood, but it was great childhood. I'm very happy. My parents divorced and I was ten and I'm lucky enough to have four. Great parents. I've got two brothers and stepsister a great group when I'd like to think that I'm pretty moral guy. And when I'm the shitty person in a family, it's a great family. So you have a stand up comic and you can see it doesn't come out anytime soon. All right. So now bring me to that day earlier this year. So on February fourteenth, there was a, it was a regular day. It was actually a really nice day, and there was a period of time during the day that I always remember where I thought these little too well. I was sitting reading, John Walsh's, book tears of rage. I believe if millier I don't remember the title exactly, but I I was a big fan and I was planning out Valentine's Day gift for girl that I really liked. She had a, she had an industrial that day and she was she was on a lot of medicine, and I was going to give her cousins and gifts for her and have her bring it to her. And I need her a card that said, I would've brought you this myself, but I didn't have the stomach for it. Com. Picture of her doctor and put it in the car and everything. And then I'm, we're gonna hersal for music. We're doing Vikings, which I'm sure nobody's ever heard of. I don't know it and I was, we just finished up a song I was doing, and I realized, wait a second. I have to go pick up my brother because that's still Douglas school that's out at two forty, but the special needs kids are out at ten. So the parents can pick them up before the buses come. And my little brother has autism, and he's hanging out there with all of his friends and the ESE class. And by the way, the autistic sceni- dome Douglas. Awesome. Those kids are the best and the school specialize in that is like a magnet school for, no, but it has a great program with great teachers, and I actually went back to parkland this weekend to see them off to homecoming and boy. Let me tell you that squad as wild and my little brother. I don't wanna brag is kind of the ringleader over there, and I went to pick him up because on days like that when my mom was at work, I would take him to drama and he would just hang. Out and he really loved it because all the girls would give them attention. And you know, he's he's a bit of a cocky little bastard and and I realized that it's maybe to twenty, let's say, and we're halfway through the song and I say, I forgot to pick up hold. So we finished the song is my teacher Vicha go run, pick him up. Of course. She said yes, and I'm picking up holding. And suddenly there's a fire alarm and I and that was a little scary because we were close to pick up and I was with a special needs kids. Some of them were in wheelchairs some of whom were not we're, you know, a little physically disabled, and we had to go to the parking lot where the buses would come. And I said, oh, no, what if this would is real fire? And I have to sit out here and make sure that nobody gets it by bus. There were teachers there, of course, but you know, it's public school there. Maybe two teachers for ten fifteen students who need a lot of help her so route they're sending in the parking lot. And there were students out there from other classes nearby who, because, again, this is a fire drill. There are students out there who were with us and it was the ESE class. It was a couple of nearby classes. And one of the kids jokingly said shooter, I said, to shut the fuck up, that's not cool. 'cause how could that ever happen? Right. And suddenly I see everybody running back inside and teacher says, get inside, get inside, and I said, okay, it wasn't a real fire and they want to get all the kids inside before the buses come. And then we're told to root and we're told to hide, get away from the window and turn the lights off. And I say, okay, someone's going on. And that experience was was an interesting one because I was in the leadership room with a lot of the leadership students, which is a class that specializes in leadership, and they plan prom and everything sort of student government and also the special needs kids because it was the nearest room and some of the students being nonverbal does not mean you can't make noise. And some of the students were yelling and wailing fortunately, they had shadows and the special seizures that Douglas are. Tastic we're able to keep everybody calm, but we didn't know what was going on and we were there for a couple of hours and slowly more details began to emerge. Now you're hearing gunfire and no, no Douglas is a huge school, and I wasn't now mind you. I thought I heard gunfire, but when you're being told your school's getting shot up and you hear anything think it's gunfire, but I'm sitting there holding my little brother has no idea what's going on and and slowly I realized, okay, there's a shooting I heard and people were whispering around the room. It was maybe twenty kids in the room. People saying fifty, people are dead. Two people are dead. One person is dead. There were conflicting stories. I heard conflicting stories of who was who the shooter was. I heard five different names. One of whom was somebody I knew somebody I knew would not pick up a weapon to harm butterfly because that's hysteria and that's natural. I understand it. Then I saw something that was a terrible exhibit of humanity. If you ask me, which was there was a Snapchat video going around that was that with the caption, yo with multiple os, my school getting shot up and it was a video of dead teacher. Look if you're going to film a shooting from inside a room, so you can have evidence to show the police good on you if you're gonna fill my shooting in a room and say, yo my school, getting shot up and send it to everybody. You know, that's pretty awful. When you're sitting there in a room, not knowing what's going on and you see videos of people, you know, and love deceased and the and the only video was somebody who had I cared about for many years. He was a mentor my life. You start to realize that nothing is ever going to be the same again. So let's pause because that we shouldn't gloss over that part where the social media component of this is so important because you guys all grew up on this and then you grow up hearing about school shootings all the time. And I, I don't know who this kid is. It doesn't matter. I'm sure periods perfectly fine person or or she put. It's like, you know, doing that. It's like it. Just it almost feels like, oh, that's the normal thing to do. There's a shooting like. Snapchat. Several people I knew were just treating it like it was normal. I mean, not the shooting, but the fact that there was a video and I understand some people might like to not like, but you know, understand having to see that because they need to understand what's going on. But I saw I said. How could you do that? This is somebody who is deceased and you're filming them to show to send to all your friends and that's reflection of the social media era were in where everything that's going on. You gotta show everyone. So for how long were you actually in that room? Not knowing if you were going to be okay, not knowing what was happening. I think it was about two hours. I can look at interviews I did days after and have a much better gauge forget, but I would call it around two hours. And you know, with the swat team broke the door down, there was the big issue that there are students who are developmentally disabled in here who might not be able to put their hands up. And fortunately, one of the only good things you'll see from Broward handling of the shooting was the swat team was very understanding and was very quick to help these students which was good. But when that glass broke in, the first thing that walked into a room was a was a rifle. How are we supposed to know that that wasn't your taken our turn, but an i. everybody was texting their parents. Everybody the phone lines were jammed because everybody in parkland was making a call. I mean it was parkland. It was a city with a hundred even how many people, but it. It's small town where there's one high school one high. One high school is around one high school. And we, I mean, nobody should be a quick for this, but we weren't. Yeah. Had you guys been taught at all like are they teaching in high school? Like what to do if this actually does happen? If sugar shack comes to school, we had the discussion of having a code red drill. We had long discussions about dealing with shooter, but we had never participated in code red drill at least not while I was at school. I used to skip school a lot. Tell me a little bit more about the makeup of parkland, because you mentioned something interesting. That's kind of like a little liberal area pretty liberal area. It's not, you know, homogeneous when it comes to being liberal. You know, there's a lot of different perspectives, but the majority of people in parkland are liberal and and pretty classic liberal. And, and that's why you'll see a lot of the activism to come out of someone Douglas was less, you know, let's let's. I don't know I, it was very gun control related. Yeah. So let's we'll get to that in a little bit because obviously so much has happened in the spotlight that has been put on you guys and everything else, and several of you have stepped into it. And I think there's there's probably good parts of that in bad parts of that. I think that's probably why you're here right now. Short. Yeah. Okay. So it ends how it you know, they tell you, all right. You can walk out of this room. I mean, sure. I can't imagine this ran. We ran with her hands up. We sat outside forbid, I was able to go on a city bus with my little brothers class to the Marriott, which is the only hotel and parkland. And so they weren't letting parents come no to where coming to pick us up at the hotel. But there are a lot of different ways. Students got out of the school, a lot of different places. They went some kids, I know just ran which misunderstand -able. Normally when there's a mass shooting nearby you run and my. We're at the Marriott hotel, and our father picked us up, took us over an hour to get home because as I'm sure you can understand the streets were very jammed after the shooting parkland was a no-man's-land. The this wasn't Mad Max anarchy. Everybody was wearing leather spikes, but it was a no-man's-land there was it was as if time and space had been suspended, the rules of physics and matter didn't really exist. It was eerie. It was seven, two days, at least for me, that was when that period of release surreal. Fear existed that that nothing felt real. And the the news was there. There was, you know, the most Bhagat was somebody the Sun-Sentinel talking about our production of fiddler on the roof. The did you in that period, and I'm sure it's very hard to even remember it clearly. Did you have a real chance to mourn to figure out what happened? I don't know. You can maybe let me know how close you were to maybe some of the students because it seems like, and I think this was part of the problem with the way we deal with these things is that we go from the incident to immediately, especially on social media, just attacking each other and destroying each other. Then you guys all get thrust into the spotlight, and it's like, oh, this would be hard on on an adult, you know impossibly hard. Meanwhile, you have these kids who are now out there talking about these things. These kids need to mourn need to figure out what's going on with life and find some reality indecency. So I think that there's really no formula for recovering for. From a mass shooting, especially when a school. I mean enough of happened that they're starting to develop residents, which is a horrible thing, but there's really nowhere to look. You can I could have hidden away. I could've locked myself in my room for weeks and maybe that would have been the right thing to do. I could have. I didn't know what to do. And my way of coping has always been doing something. I had dealt with some tragic loss this past year, and I had the there were some really dark things that happen to people that I loved. And the way I always handled them was by doing something. I never liked to have a clear head because while I think it's important to process you're paying and deal with it. I also think that the if I, if something like that happens and do nothing, I'm never gonna. Forget myself. I survivor guilt. Why? Why should I have left that day? Yeah, they're fifteen year old girls that were murdered and I made it out. And if I could have pressed a button to trade my life or there's it wouldn't have even been, we'll maybe I should say goodbye to people maybe. I should think about this would've broken my finger, pressing it to heart. So what made me deserve life when other people who did nothing wrong, if people more innocent more kind than I am, didn't get to make it out. And I realized while I'm alive and one of my mentors wasn't Skopje goal. One of the nicest guys I've ever met, he's the reason that I'm a snarky little asshole. I develop that from him. He didn't make it out there and t- somebody who changed young people's lives by making them better and making them more proud of themselves. So. So what makes me what has me deserving of this? I'm not a very religious spiritual person. So I, I didn't think there was some great plan that got me out of school, but I think that I had a responsibility at responsibility to do right by the people we lost and to do what I thought would make the world better place while they can't. Because there were marriages that didn't happen. There were people who have had children and. And. The didn't get. I don't know. It's it's a horrible thing to think. But at the end of the day lives ended and I still had mine. So I said, after the shooting, what I'm gonna do is something and I, I was a, you know, I've been a big liberal most of my life and I and I've always been advocate for gun control. I was a big debater of other students after the shooting in Las Vegas where I said, nobody needs these. We're an point in our society were advanced enough that nobody needs an assault weapon to take care of themselves. Look at the look at the way these guns are made. We can defend ourselves. Handguns in my father has multiple in the house. He's a reserve police officer. He was Miami shores for a while. I didn't. I instantly said the thing we can do here, stop folks like the shooter at my school from getting these weapons because this is a nineteen year old who if he had spent five minutes psychologist would have been sent to therapist not a gun store? Yeah. Okay. So let's before we get specifically too far down the the gun road. Here, which obviously we're gonna touch on. Okay. You guys are trying to more and you know you're having survivor guilt. All of these things. I'm sure just in in your family, your brother and everything else. Just I can't even imagine then the media because I think this is we have to hit media stuff before we get to the gun. The media then descend. What was that? Like? I mean, I assume everybody and their brother was trying to reach out to all you guys. They were putting you guys on TV. I mean, I probably even that very day. What was that like for you guys. Good for you. I, you know, the whole our whole situation with the media, whether it be anything from CNN to Fox News too. Ellen was a double edge sword because on the one on the one hand, their bodies that are warm and route here on TV. And in retrospect I might have done that differently. I'm not sure. On the other hand, I couldn't let this be like sandy hook, for example, couldn't let this be people coming into film, crying mothers, talking about how bad these guns are leave. I wanted to get out there and say, no. Okay. This, how many of these do we need before we do them that. I don't. I didn't want people to see parkland as a place where everybody was crying and everybody was throwing a pity party. I wanted people to see parkland as a place where terrible tragedy happen, and the city stood up and said, no, we're not going to be like these other places we are going to be a catalyst. I mean before before still Douglas, I would. I would hear the word sandy hook and a room and everybody would get quiet and it would be weird. I couldn't have that be stolen Douglas this place. That was my school. I loved my school. I was a big school spirit, fellow. It was about to become a statistic. It was about to become that one dark thing that somebody will make a joke about or somebody say something bad about or really anything. So I got out there and said, no. And so many people got out there and said, this cannot be another example of everybody knew everybody crying. We're not here to cry. We're here to tell you what we can do to make this a better world. We're there. People swim parents advisors, whoever that were kind of guiding you through. The media part of this because there were so many strange moments where it seemed like like I said, you right before I don't wanna make this about any specific student, especially and I don't wanna throw anyone on the bus. But when we'd see someone like David Hogg who obviously is very public. Now, you know saying things that that didn't quite seem right or talking about laws and all this stuff like going from just surviving to suddenly advocacy with almost no space in between. You know is the general eaters. I think the general idea of going right to advocacy while it might not have been our best call to immediately go to it was these cameras are only here for so long and we couldn't have them leave. There's that double edged sword. Exactly. So do we do? We wait are respectful time and then go out and advocate or will not care and. I think by advocacy, I'm not sure. I think on a moral level I might not, but on a. But generally I think that while everybody was looking, we had to say, let's let's look at what we really want to look at here. These like give these families their space. We're, we're in you guys afraid that you were being looked at as experts only whereas horrific as what happened to you was it doesn't make you an expert either in law or in guns or any of those things like you can very elegantly as we're doing right now. Tell me your story. Tell me what you think all of those things, but especially at the beginning, I'm sure you know, way more now, you don't know everything. Nobody knows everything and they were throwing a bunch of seventeen year olds out there as if they were experts on all these things. And I think that also added to some of the tumbled around everything. Well, at the time it was awesome. Yeah. I mean, I was an expert, I felt I felt phenomenal. I was somebody that everybody was looking to as if I as if I knew everything. And as I said before, that was. What I wanted, and it wasn't a good feeling. I, I'll be also use some things about it felt good. Most of it felt like terrible and you just said it's awesome, and it wasn't a good field probably sums it up. I guess it was awesome to me that I got to the. I spent my whole life watching people talk about laws and watching people talk about politics. And now I got to say this and my word got to be respected. But every time I went out there, I thought there people dead and it's, it's just it's a, it's a moral Quam out here at I'm doing this because I believe in it and I'm doing this because I don't want the world to lose people. Again, nobody deserves to be shot. Nobody at all. Nobody who's a good person deserves to be shot. So. So I, it was. It was difficult for me because on the one hand, it was this amazing feeling of, here's my voice, everybody's listening. Let me tell you what you need to hear. What everybody need to hear was we need to pass on laws. It's been enough if if people did nothing to Columbine, I would have understood because that was supposed to be an anomaly. I'm sure you remember that was a shocker and then still Doug was happening, and it was more of an another, not a, whoa, so so it felt it. It felt great that people were caring, that was the that was what I would say it was the awesome part was that I was afraid everybody would everybody in the country would feel helpless and cry and be done. But it was amazing to see that the country was saying, maybe there's something we can do here. Maybe we can make some change. And the thing that was awful was I was I was going from news hits to two memorial services. Yeah. So you've had a sort of interesting volition about all this and it sort of leads to where we're gonna end, which is what you're doing now, which is. Pretty awesome. All right. You're part of the now you part of the media machine. You guys are trying to figure out what can you do. I assume that's sort of how March for life started. And if I'm not mistaken, it started in your house. Right. Started in my bathroom. As I was coming out of the shower is putting on my Ghostbusters PJ's. It was a slime or it wasn't old school Ghostbusters. Yes, of course. I, we could talk about the new Ghostbusters maybe after this part, how much do you want to get online. I look, I'll tell you this. Everybody in that cast is incredibly talented. I didn't like the movie very much, but there's really nobody who's in it that I think was not is not an incredibly funny person. But anyway, I is and I got a lot of my friends together. Some I called everyone who I knew was intelligent and well-spoken and was willing to put their time degree aside to demand action. Because if you know, I felt like it was some ways public service because people are grieving and we're out here saying, we're gonna put that aside as much as I wanted to cry every day and mind. You really wanted to date a lot. I knew that I had to put that aside. I had to do something, so I got everybody that I knew could do something to mostly my drama friends because I knew that they could speak. We all got together in my house and said, what do we do? We, this whole, this whole country people on both sides our all morning together. How can we get. Everybody on both sides together to do something now mind you that didn't happen. Getting people on both sides didn't really happen. Yeah, it can be a tough one. It's and it is a tough one, and it will always be a tough one, but it's something that needs to be done and. And you know, from from my home, we were sleeping two hours a night. I would go entire days only eating one protein bar, not even realizing we were. So it was such a tornado that we were all. We all kind of forgot what it was like to be a normal person. So you come up with the idea for March for our lives. Now get us to that day and what was it -sposed to be? What were the actual original intentions beyond? Let's not forget about this original intentions where let's get gun control passed and still a big, let's get gun control, passed guy, and. And that's what we wanted to do. We want to say everybody out, you're saying we should do this. Let's get everyone together. Let's let's get a a big March together where people say, I want. I'm coming all the way out here. I'm standing out here today to demand this and and seeing everybody together was amazing. I am getting up on the stage and seeing all those people. I didn't care about the being in front of them. I mean, I was drama kid. I stood in front of people and talk for the past five years, but I saw those people and I said, these people believe in something the these people come from different places. These people are all completely different, but they're all together because they believe in one thing and that was magical. And I don't use the word magical very often. I think it's cliche, but that was magical and it was it was it was amazing to see. But from the beginning of our ad advocacy to the March. It was. It was a lot of personalities together and we were able to make it through the pain. We felt together. I mean, so often people said will, why are you guys, you know your school outshot up month ago. Your school got shot up three weeks ago. Why are you smiling? And I said, well, I, at least for my own personal perspective, the teacher that I was dear friends with that I lost Scotland, wanted to cry. Scott would want me to do something. Scott would want me to do what I believed in. He wasn't a very political guy. He after the shooting, he probably wouldn't have focused on any politics. He would have focused on getting everybody at Douglas, feel better to laugh this mile. But if I believed in something and I wanted to advocate for it, I knew that if he were here, he'd say, we'll go do it. So the time I spent, I was sitting at his Morial and I was crying in my I was it was in the dirt. I was so snotty tried to white my face and dirty hands and I, it was what many would consider the little point in a movie when Verson feels like they've lost everything. And then I thought about an and if Scott Yoda behind me as a ghost which is to talk about, actually, I used to talk about iota aing if he yoed behind me and he would say, Cameron do something, you must. He used to talk to me and iota voice a lot and not go. We were gonna get your Yoda impression. They're stop somebody on that logo. No, there were points where Scott was my teacher in fifth grade. He, he iota voiced me while I was asking him a genuine question which frustrated me a lot, and it's time I do a three hour interview on hen, but he would've said, do something so so when we were all smiling together when we were all laughing together, it was because I knew that somebody that I love would've. Me to and we had each other. That's the thing. If I, if I was became for gun control alone wouldn't have worked not only because I couldn't have done it alone. I'm not good enough to do it alone, but also because we were each other's lifeline when I was when when everything seemed awful and everything seemed like the world was this dark terrible place. I had my friends around me to say, we got here for you. We've got this together and I was, you know, some people shoulder many people in my shoulder. I'm more emotional than many a theater student. So more people had to help me that I need to help them and Fuso. So beyond the emotional part and getting everybody together. And as you said, you're still going control advocate and all that I sense that part of what happened around March for our lives was you saw things getting bizarrely political or or more than we, perhaps you or you guys wanted is effort say, I think what March for our lives. Should have you. It's a political issue. I think the way it should have come off and I think this is what everybody I worked with believes I know for a fact is that where kids wanna get shot. That's what we are. At the end of the day. We are kids who are out here saying, we don't wanna die and back then I thought that if you didn't believe in my gun control, believe student care of kids died. I learned that that's not the case, but that's a pretty interesting of Lucien for someone at seventeen to have with him. You know, five or six months. I spoke to people who disagree with me. I learned that they want the country to be a better place. You know that we might not agree on how we might think. I might think that their use our horse shit, but every we all agree on, basically ninety percent of things. And I'm sure there are plenty of political things. You and I will disagree on. But at the end of the day, Tom mcfarland's one of the most gifted Spiderman writers do agree on that ever do anything DC. I'm more of a marvel guy, but I, I had a pretty good Batman collection for night wings. My favorite soup off. Your familiar. I think I think in comic books, they're very afraid to make real change night wing actually was able to make it through that. You know, if if a Robin became his own superhero, normally that would only be for tennis shoes and then you go back, but night actually made that jump. I encourage you all to read. We can focus on McFarland Spiderman from two ninety eight to three thirty five. That idea venom is brilliant, and I saw the trailer for the movie. We'll talk about that off camera. It sounds good, Tom, hardy, gifted, so so the way the way people should have seen us in the way I failed really in the messaging because I was so deeply involved with it was we just don't wanna get killed and quickly because of the perfect storm of everything. It became. Left. Right? And I don't think anybody my group wanted that. I don't think anybody my group launched that at all, but it's in one way the media's the media's portrayal in one way, my personal inability to express correctly and another way my air against because I was pretty Harrogate I, I mean that in. I mean that from the bottom, my heart. I mean, everybody else I worked with much lives was a a kid who wanted to help the world, but I was a cocky little son of a bitch and that and not translated a lot because I said, I'm right. That's the thing, right. Everything I say about gun control is completely right. So so what? Why don't why aren't you listening to me? Because I'm obviously in the right here, I everybody else again was was basically saying, I don't wanna die. Here's how I think it worked. But I said, I'm right politically. This is my political movement. Listen to my politics. That's my fault. That's okay. I don't blame myself. I was a kid who lost friends, and I thought that this is what we needed and I still do, but my big error, my what's the, what's the word from a tragic your, that's their flaw. Marsha hubris will. This is your hubris. Let's call it the hubris. Again, I didn't take AP Lang or AP. I can tell you I've ever tragic heroes. I love tragic heroes, but my hubris was an again, I could be interpreting this wrong. I just thought I was right. I thought that anybody who didn't agree with me because I was so right wanted kids today. One percent of the? No. I wouldn't say that my guess is that three percent of the country doesn't care when kids die three percent just as my kid or, you know, it's not where I am, but the rest of the country doesn't want kids to die. And you know. I learned about that that family in Texas, where the mom and the dad, both carry weapons because they want to protect their family. I learned about the people in. Everywhere who who want to protect their families. I've done in my house and while I believe in an assault weapons ban or at least much more restrictive laws, if you want to hurt my brother and I have a gun, you're in trouble. So when you see someone like David hogging I'm only mentioning because he's been so vocal a, you know, I try to talk about ideas and not people, but when you see someone like him tweeting all of these things. But you know, I don't want to get an exact quote crossed up here, but to the in effect, if you don't agree with me, you want dead. Kids. Republicans want kids, Marco Rubio doesn't want to save anybody. All of these things you now realize. That's just not the way to do that. It's not true and it's not. It's not actually affected the reason I criticize myself and not my friends because I know David, David is a dear friend of mine of known him for a couple years, but I've only known them really well since the shooting glass with him once it was nice guy, everything David does, and I know we're not talking specifics, but I'll just use. As an example, because much like everybody else in March for our lives. Everything David does. He does because he wants the country to be a better place. He and I don't always see perfectly eye to eye on what exactly do. But every time I see something he tweets that I don't like and I think about it and I say, I spend hours of David. I've known him. I know him so incredibly well because we have to start tragic, terrible bond that was really created after the worst case scenario. But when David says something that I don't agree with you saying it because he doesn't want another kid too. So you know, messaging with everybody in the group is occasionally not really insane. We agree. We disagree on things sometimes, but if I thought that people in March for our lives like David or anyone was in this for the wrong reasons of being, I would call them out. I don't think that's the case. Yeah. Unfortunately, the road to hell is paper, good intentions, and I don't want to Smerch his intentions. I believe you that his intentions are pure. Of course, I believe that Dave is a guy who cares so deeply about the world around him and we'll do whatever it takes to make it a better place. But it's funny that you say the road Tyler's payments, good intentions because our summer tour where we went around, advocating for more voter, registration, and more accessible voting around the country was called road to change. 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I have a couple of friends who went to gun groups to talk about it, sat down with some very big gun advocates in their areas, not really in the country, but notable where they were to talk about the issue and. I know that the rest of my group was really interested in opening up and talking about this. Again. I was shooting one in March for our lives. I wanted to start some shit. You know, I wanted to cause trouble. I wanted to make. I wanted to own the conservatives the same way. A lot of conservatives want to own the libs. I mean, that's what it's about right now. People people play games where they're trying to one up each other. And you know, I just I was trying to do that. I was trying to make politicians. I didn't like look bad as opposed to say, what can we do when I went up there and I was, we're folks or anyone saying, you know, maybe ease up on Twitter or like, you know, just just because you're gonna get no matter what even if everything you said was factually right and came from the right place and all that. Just the amount of hate you're gonna get while you're still young person warning so cannot be fun. My mom is her sole existence in the world is to make everybody in the world, happy and love each other. So she said to be be nice and loving my dad who. Who is a bit of a political advocate himself agrees with me on a lot of things. Sometimes you would tell me to ease up. Sometimes he would tell me to, you know, be a little bit rougher, but he also said, and this is why. I think my parenting from my mom, stepdad step mom was so great was they said, do what you think is right? And don't let people put their hoax. And I did I let I let people manipulate me bid because I thought that they were kindred spirits. But you know, my parent, I'm lucky enough to have parents who say, believe what you believe. If my, you know, my parents are all liberal, but if I came home and said, I'm if I came home with the Trump twenty twenty hat which I do not expect to do unless some drastic change happens in my life. Yeah, although I know you're not thrilled with the Democrats at the moment. I'm gonna throw Democrats moment, but I'm not the Democrats the moment because they're not being good Democrats because they're Democrats, but we'll get to that. I if I came home and I told my parents that I would vote for the opposite of what they would vote for, they would say. If you're doing it because you think it's right, you're going to do it and I'm very grateful for that. Yeah. So where do you stand on gun control? Generally because I think what happened was they at the event at March for our lives. There were a lot of people getting up there and they were saying things that implied. And I think this is the way a lot of people on the right took it. It's not about sensible gun control. This is ultimately about taking away all the guns. And that of course, is the fear of most of the people on the right and there were a couple of the students. There was one young girl. I, I don't remember who said we're going to start with bump stocks, but we're coming for all the guns or something to that effect and that that feeds right into the people on the right who go. All right. Well, now we're not gonna talk negotiates who like better laws. You guys are Mao Zedong. Exactly. And then because of that, then the people on the left and you guys go. All right. See now they don't wanna talk at all. So we're not gonna talk, and then you end up sort of exactly where we're at the moment. It's and. Somebody told me this the other day, it's a brilliant point the left and the right attack each other's worst arguments, and that does nothing for us. But when it comes to my personal stance on guns, there's some. There are some differing opinions amongst my friends, March for our lives, but we all we all agree with some similar things. Personally, I think that as long as people who are responsible can carry concealed firearms, particularly handguns in the country in many situations, the country's a safer place. I also think that there is not a strong vetting process for people to purchase these firearms and a lot of people just get guns and a lot of these people are not the good guy the gun because I think the good guy with the gun argument is just a hasty generalization. I understand it in some ways because I intend to concealed carry when I'm an adult because I intend to have a family and I intend to shoot anybody who tries to kill my family. And I, I assume that even that position right there probably put you on the outs with a lot of a lot of your crew. In sexually, we all respect each other's opinions, somebody in March for lives, and this is nobody in March lives. But if somebody said on eliminate all guns, I'd say, okay, well, let's talk about that. So you know, my friends respect me for for what I think. And I respect them some, it's different. It's it's a difficult thing to respect people disagree with you for those things you find it. You know, guys and girls your age are able to have these conversations without killing each other. That was terrible choice without shirt, but about being each other's throats. I think more than adults are right now. Is that possible? Because that seems to be through with you that you're friends with? A lot of people have different opinions. I think we want to. I think that a lot of people who want to aren't taking the right steps because they're saying yes, we can. We can come to some common ground if you agree with me and there's a, there's a one out there and that's something really interested in because I come from a generation that I believe puts principles morals over money and political victories. And I think that we've actually got a bright future people call me and insane, Bobby Kennedy, moron saying that we have a bright future, but I think we do. I think we need to stigmatize the conversation. I had a lot of friends who who before seven months ago, I would have thought where racist sexist big at homophobes who want the country to explode and want to destroy everybody who isn't exactly. Them, and then I learned maybe that's not the case. And I have a lot of friends who would have thought that I was some leftist beta cut Schill who wanted who wanted communists to take everybody's guns and kill them, and then they learn me. That's not the case. I think our generation really is moving in a good direction when it comes to smart conversations. I just think we need a bit of a social revolution. They're not huge social revolution. I love social revolutions. This isn't a a big revolution. Cool. It Beatles. You don't think we're LA MS level yet. We're not. We're not hearing the people sing the song of Mumin yet, but. We, we need some, we need. We need a a movement towards respecting each other because look before all this, if I could have gotten rid of the right, I would've and I know people who would have gone to the left if they could have, but it's not gonna happen. The parties might evolve over time. I mean, the the parties are flipping a lot of ways. We'll think about this. The party of Lincoln is the only party that currently not the democrat, there's and Democrats who are like this, but the majority of people who are running as admitted white supremacists are part of the party of Lincoln. So a lot of a lot of switches happened there. I mean, you've got some really awful rhetoric out there from folks. Candice Owens who will say, we'll talk about the left plantation. Look, I think I'd entity politics are dangerous calling saying that the real racists are the Democrats is a hasty generalization. I think I think there's actually some truth to it. There's a difference between the liberals and the left. Well. You're speaking. The thing is you can't pigeonhole together special the right word for that. Yeah. Okay. You can't hold them together. I'm a liberal, but I think that all men and women are created equal and need to be respected equally. Whereas people farther to the left will say as a as a white, six gender, heterosexual male. I don't have the right to say any of that. Look you a friend of mine, Michael Skolnik who I've worked with before, said something to me that I really appreciate it. Which was you can't judge somebody by the hand. They're dealt. You judge them by how they elect to play that ham people farther to the left will judge you. By the hand, I'm dealt. I grew up in a pretty well off family. I had a pretty easy childhood. I could've walked around my neighborhood without fearing death, which is something that some of my friends I made in Chicago, we're not able to have, but they'll say that my opinion is less valid than anybody's because I don't deal with the struggles they do. I have an incredible amount of empathy for people who are not as privileged Zion. I believe the white privilege exists. I don't believe as systematic or or really structural as people say it is. I don't think the government exists to oppress people, but white privilege I believe exists. I believe that there are certain situations where I will be where I will be in a better place because I'm a white SIS, gender, heterosexual male. Again, it's not this large oppressive force. The people treat it like, but it's something we need to address. And that's, that's the real thing I'm talking about recently which is we can find common ground on these issues and not try to push each other way because in my view. In my view, white privilege exists, and people will say, well, no, because in many situations on the SAT African American students were given points in Asian students were were deducted points, and that proves that that I got myself. Yeah, I don't want to. We don't have to go too far down that road because we could have a whole other conversation on that because I, I actually don't agree with you on that, but, but that's the point of this. That's the point and I'm still learning. You're still learning. It's kind of a beautiful thing. I'm seventeen I can hardly smell expert on shit. That's actually put a new podcast. I'm putting out pretty soon. It's called Cameron knows nothing. Do you watch game of thrones? I do look, you grit told me. And it's true in my own personal views on abortion. I actually, I watched a video of yours. You and I have pretty much the same exact you on the twenty guy, but I also have not taken science classes. I also do not. I've not converse with enough women who have had abortions my opinions, Jack shit, but I'm allowed to have them. You know, it's a seventeen year old boy. So there's only so much. I could truly say about pro-lifers pro choice, but I'll say it and you know, in Cameron knows nothing. I'm gonna tell you guys, I think, but doesn't mean it's right. You know, where do you link that attitude comes from within you? Because I, it seems to me that I think a lot of what's happening right now is icy adults that are now afraid to say what they think. And they think that the mobs gonna come after them, which is completely legit. They think it might hurt their job opportunities or things like that. Yeah, the mob which whichever way it is. Right. I mean, I think but we see boycotts on both sides, and I think a lot of misguided anger off, and but I think most people. Need a little bit more of what you just did there, which is I am what I am. You know, maybe convinced me some other stuff, but I'm trying to learn here. I don't want to hurt anybody. You know, I, I want the government to crack down on guns. That doesn't mean I want the government to oppress you. I believe that there's a certain amount of time somebody should have access to an abortion, and I think that abortion should be more accessible for a certain amount of time, but I don't wanna kill babies and I don't want to oppress women. I want the world to be a better place. You want the world to be a better place. I don't know about about, you know anybody up in the booth, but they seem really nice. They're pretty good. Todd McFarlane. I had selected these people. Exactly. Wants the world better place. David Hogg wants the world to be a better place. Jordan Peterson was the world. We all pretty much all of us do. I'm actually glad you mentioned Jordan Peterson because you know my to him right now. And one of the things that I find is I, if I meet a ton of people your age, I'd say the bulk of the people that are coming. There are young people probably probably right around your age seventeen eighteen into into their probably early thirties and it's male, female, gay, straight, black, white, the whole thing, but it's very obvious to me that he's providing some level of guidance that somehow it seems that your generation kind of missed now sounds like your your folks are pretty great, your extended family and all that, but do you sense that there is some missing piece here that partly I don't know that there's like some. I discussed this last week with Peter Thiel that there was some disconnect between the baby boomers, my parents age, and that that my guys the Jan extra, but we never had our moment or something. And then we've sort of handed it off to you guys, the millennials and. Genetics. I'm Jay z. actually. Wow, are three or four years older than I am. All right. Oh, man. We're all drilling. We handed it off to the generation of people who grew up with with cellphones, immediate access to to knowledge are the best and worst thing to ever happen to us. Yeah. If I want to get to a hospital, I can get to a hospital much easier with cell phone. If I want to look up a fact forgetting the fact that facts are different, right. The facts are difficult to find. You know, I can do it, but also I, I've before all this, I was very, very obsessed with my own image. Not because I thought I had a good one, but because I wanted it to be good. I I was posting things online because I want people to think I had a cool life. I mean, I did. I had a great life, but I wanted people to know that and it it the hyperactivity of social media, which is a term I stole from many Ben plaid interviews talking about his musical. Do you have an Hansen? I don't want him to see this and think I'm stealing hyper connectivity of social media is is, is a good and bad thing. But I think the problem here and I think that you know folks, Jordan, I'm a big fan of Jordan. I'm a big fan of yours. Don't get a big head of people, people like you guys. One of the things that you advocate for is is conversation and people on the right young people on the right that I know and friends with. They want to own the lips. This is all about proven wrong. And saying like, facts, don't care about your feelings. I agree. I faxed by definition, don't care about your feelings, but there's also logic, which is. Is kind of the middle between the two really. And that's the interpretation and the inside and the fact where you know if we, if we only based everything, in fact, which a lot of young people the right, do we're just talking about the past. You can look at the future and you can assess facts, but a lot of a lot of young people on the right one approve people wrong. A lot of young people on the left I've seen want to want to make wanna make people who disagree with them, look worse. It's all about making the other look worse. The right wants to show that the left is a bunch of commies and left wants to show that the rights of fascists and that's a waste of time that is, that is what is harming our country right now. I think Donald Trump's rhetoric is dangerous and harms our country, but Trump is, is the is a symptom of something greater like President. Obama said when he made his return, the meet all of my liberal friends thing Jesus came back, which is, you know, Trump Trump is the result of a country where the people who love Trump are loving more than ever and the people who hate Trump are hated more than ever because we're divided, you know, our. Rhetoric is driving is driving everybody in different directions. That's why you see the rise of democratic socialism. And that's why you see the rise of more and more people coming out and saying, things that are stupid because they have the first men, right? Do it look if you say something? I don't like I will defend it with my life. I will defend with my life. You right to say it, but people are mixing being not PC and being a jerk. And and right now we're driving apart, we need to come together, stop attacking. Each other. Both sides are equally as guilty. Certain sides in certain situations are obviously guiltier. But yeah. It's it's, it's bullshit. Do you sense a little more flexibility on the ability to talk to people on the right then on the left. 'cause you know that that's been a sort of big part of what's going on with me. Like I get invited to go to these conservative things turning USA, and I talk about being gay married and approach ice and against the death penalty, and all of these things that are thought of as leftist things, but they invite me, we've great time. I take zillion sell fees with the kids after and all that stuff where there doesn't seem to be that flexibility over there. I don't wanna harp on this because I get your greater point, which is we gotta get past the, but I do see something on one side, especially with young people that has become more corroded. I would say than on the others, say, say the left cares too much about people in the right doesn't care enough, and I'll tell you what I mean because they're, they're equally is wrong here, young people on the right will attack you with facts in either positive or negative ways. And they're opening conversation very often, I believe because they wanna prove you wrong. That's what I've seen from I, that's not a fact, it's an opinion, whereas people on the left wants to accommodate for everybody so much that if you say anything negative about anybody that they agree with the jumped to their defense. So opening up the Israel argument, which is an argument that I don't know enough about to form an opinion. I truly do not. But if you are propel, that sounds like pretty much everybody exactly. Being pro-palestine doesn't mean you hate the Jews necessarily and being pro Israel doesn't mean that you hate everybody who you may Palestinians, but I'll talk to people on the right and they'll they'll be happier to talk about it, then people on the left. But the second is say that, you know, Palestine should have land which, again, I don't. I don't have a firm opinion on, they'll say, do what your Jewish, how could you say that? I'll say, because people are people, and then I'll talk to people on the left about it. And I'll say there's a lot of concerns of tear and they'll say, don't you dare call everybody. Everybody who's Palestinian terrorist and on both sides. So yes, I think the right is more open conversation, but I think that more people on the right are trying to you into a cave where they can prove you wrong. I don't wanna be proven right or wrong right now I want to discuss because my opinions on things have changed. My opinions really are not taking one eighty. I have all my opinions, but my opinion on opinions changing. That's that's the most important thing I'd like to highlight here. If I'm I, I used to think that we've talked about this is to think that if you didn't agree with me hate now, I've learned a different thing and I'm not and what I'm advocating for. Now this I'm not asking people to change their perspectives, masking people to stop having your feet so firmly on the ground when your child. Because I'm a child, you know, I can't rent a car. I can't smoke a cigarette, nor do I intend to. But at the end of the day, I can't tell you about, I can't tell you with already economic secretary, I think take any class or finance class, and we need your ready doing better the most experts on CNN I think. People on the left and the right, and you need to realize that facts are facts. Feelings are feelings, logic logic, but the more and more we try to prove each other wrong, the less progress we're gonna make. 'cause I had the mindset that's why stand it. I've had the mindset we're all I wanted to do was just own the conservatives. And I know people who've had the mindset, we're all they want to do his own lips. Yeah, by the way, I know you're not just saying this because Kyle cashew who I've gotten to know, well, who falls off and on the other side of this new, he's now working with turning point and he's, you know, trying to strengthen the second amendment, all sorts of other things. You guys are friend and you guys are still able to talk about these things. And I had originally said, maybe we could get both you guys in here, but we thought this would be a good opportunity to let you do your thing and I'll have Kyle on separately, but you guys are despite your differences, you're able to talk a lot of things. I don't like a lot. Almost everything says, I disagree with some things. He says that I think are inappropriate. I've said some inappropriate stuff. And you know, I understand if you don't agree with me and you wanna come out and speak. I, I'm proud that I was able to speak after the shooting and Kyle did too. So I haven't had a deep understanding of his position. So beyond the podcast, and I'll give you my word that I will do the podcast. Oh, please. Well, you asked me to do it. Can you do my. Yeah, I'm more than happy to do it. We'll make that happen. What? What do you wanna do? Have you have you really been able to think about it at this point? I know it sort of an annoying question to ask a young person. No, I mean, you know, again, tell you a college. I wanna go to. I can't tell you where I wanna be in fifty years, but I can tell you that right now. I wanna dedicate my time to do what I think is the best thing I could do with my platform because I have a large platform for all the worst reasons, and with great platform comes great responsibility vitamin e. exactly uncle Ben said that I believe it wasn't. But when you say Beng on this show, people might be like kindly talking about Benjamin. Parker, and I have a responsibility to do what I think is right. And what I think is right is advocating for what I believe in, but also making sure that the conversation is mended and healed because who better than the people who are about to become adults to try and make sure that our next generation of adults knows how to work together. I mean, you got no and Rubio in Florida. I'll give you great example. Nelson Rubio have passed some great bills together because Nelson Rubio don't see dot, I'd I, but they are able to put their differences aside. They get along and I, I want more of that. Yeah. Well, man, I know a lot of people are worried about the future, but I mean, it's clear to me that your future's bright. And if we can hand it over hand it over to to to people like you will will be all right because this is this everything that I've been trying to do here, I think is summed up in the way that you're trying to go forward with life. It's it's pretty awesome, really inspiring. She then let me ask you something your show. I'm gonna. We're gonna flip and emotion. You are all right. Exactly. Yeah. So sparkle. So. What? What are the qualities you're looking for in a candidate? If you were going to vote for them over President Trump at twenty twenty go, man. You really put me on the spot here. Yeah, this is my look. I've said this before, but it seems to me that the unfortunately the democratic socialist wing of the Democrats has gone really far left. I mean, look, the word socialist is in the in the title now and then. Purge, right? I guess they're being honest for what they are in there fighting for what they believe in. I happen to disagree with virtually all of it, but that they're doing that. They've basically purged what I think are the remaining liberals as you said. Classical liberals before. And I think unfortunately, that leaves a lot of us. It's why people watch my show because I've just been honest about what I see here. That leaves a lot of us suddenly with allies in places that we didn't think we were going to have allies in. It's sort of unfortunate in one way because you want to always think that you can sort of stay home and fix things double. But at the moment I find my allies certainly are libertarians on the right. I think I can be allies in a lot of ways with Ben Shapiro even though we have differences on the margins with the Boertien and some of that other stuff. But I don't see at the moment when from when we're taping this right now, I just don't see any hope in the short term for the Democrats. My hope is that this thing implodes that they get probably have to get crushed in the midterms, which is not looking likely, but that they get crushing. And then they have a major course adjustment where they go. We've got to return to liberalism share, and that is the answer because I believe liberalism is the answer. I think it's the only answer, but if you know somebody that I should be paying attention to let me know because I don't see much keep in touch and. And. We've got a list. I'll send you some liberals. One more thing I know we're about onto. What is your favorite musical and with which musical character you identify the most Van Gogh rather do favorite superhero movie you're saying, but. Go to that. I was telling you during the break that I, I really thought Infinity war was spectacular. I think it was just done right. LOKI has to be dead though. That's, that's the key thing I want, but I think I love Maura. She's she's a bad ass. But if they bring her back which they will bring back, she was killed in the process of getting the sole sewn. So they say that once they destroy the stones or whatever it may be, they could bring her back and it'll be nice to see her back because I love her as an actress. I'll ever chemistry with everyone. Yeah, but that was a power. You can't keep killing people in bringing them back. That's why LOKI has to be did this time which basically made it sound like? Yeah, what Infinity ward did a good job with Tony. He's been in for what like twenty movies and he didn't die Amora. This is our third film. I felt that I felt that that are here to tell you, but she's hate to tell you whatever. She's she's going to be alive putting that. It's already. Musical, you know, I'm not a huge musical guy. I'm not. I know you don't wanna hear that as a theater guy, not a huge Muser girl. I, I liked mama, Mia. See, that's what it's about. Common ground. We talked about marvel movies and all these other. You gave me a lot of pop culture references before we started. You have to, you know, break new ground and that's what I was trying to do here. That's what it's all about. I have no doubt you have a bright future and you're probably going to be president. Is that where this is all leading president of stomach, the drama club? No, because my dear friend she ran and she's doing nominal job that no guys follow Cameron on Twitter. It's Cameron, underscore Caskey.

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Parkland Survivor On Why We Still Need Gun Rights (Kyle Kashuv Interview)

The Rubin Report

1:06:23 hr | 2 years ago

Parkland Survivor On Why We Still Need Gun Rights (Kyle Kashuv Interview)

"Yeah. Joining me today as a student activist and the director of high school outreach for turning point, USA, Kalka shoe. Welcome to the Rubin report. Thanks for having me on. I am excited to have you here. We've met a couple times we've done some events. Together, you are seemingly wise beyond your years. All right. Let's get to. Well. Actually. I mean in a weird way. I guess you've been you've been sort of thrust into being wise beyond your years. You're obviously a survivor of the parkland shooting as a head your classmate calmer and Caskey I'm a couple of weeks ago. And he kind of laid out what happened to him that day and subsequently everything that's happened. So let's just start there. Because that's kind of what put you on the map. Okay. I'll sort of purpose it, I don't like I don't like to refer myself as -vivor because I wasn't in the building that will shot into you. And I think that you know, cheapens the pain and tragedy people who were in the building. So what happened with me that day? It was fourth period. I was in. I was in my fourth period class. And all of a sudden the alarms ring to go into the hallway. We're walking out and we hear to like two little pops. I don't know if textbooks fell know fire fire works, I really had no idea. So we run back, and I go and reach for the door to my classroom and the teacher locked it. So you go into a nearby room. We get in there. And we just hide for two hours straight. We just hear pops and ambulances. So that was the freshman building. And the entire time. We had known it was going on. And then all throughout the entire time people immediately are just villain ising guns. The second we got a second. I got out of the closet that I was in. To ban air fifteen's. Let's not jump into the political part. Yes. Because it's interesting just listening to you hear about that. It's almost like the way you describe it. Almost sounds like you weren't even there. Like, it's just like a story that you were telling in a bizarre way. So once. Okay. So all of this happens you find out now they're did student. I mean, did you have friend and and all that? So we get it. We get out of the closet swat takes us out. They put their air fifteen's interfaces. Take us out. We have to put our hands on the person in front of us walking outside in all throughout this. The most discussing thing was every single corner of the entire blocks. Rounding us was just filled with media cars, just like jam packed. And what I saw there was that whenever there was like someone crying or like a moment of pain, the media would just surround them and encapsulate them. And I got home, and I was really hoping that this won't be like a politicized spectacle. With like mass media jumping the gun to everything. And sadly that was the case when I was like sitting there in shock seeing the numbers rise on the screens for the death count. It was like so insane to internalize like what had just occurred because everyone's always slow never happen to my school. How could this happen to my school? And the sad reality is it can happen to any school Stillman was in the most affluent low crime city, I think in like southern Florida and this happened at our school. Did you know some of the kids that were killed? Yeah. I knew one girl Helena, she was in class in my ear back. So what kind of time did you guys have to grieve? Because that you're you're already alluding to this. But it was like it was as if the event happened the shooting happened, and then seemingly there was no grieving. And then you guys were all over the television. You were all over Twitter you at all political people using you guys and all sorts of different ways. Just tell me a little bit about just kinda grieving and trying to be able to be how old, you know, seventeen. Seventeen trying to be sixteen fifteen sixteen. Seventeen year old kids trying to just survive, something unimaginably horrible. I don't know how freshmen and sophomores have managed to go through this. I'm at least a junior at the time. So I knew the school better in like somewhat of myself esteems little more build up more and a little bit more mature. But there was absolutely no time to grieve whatsoever. Like a few days after the shooting there any buses up to talahassee to you know, push tug on the emotional heartstrings of Republicans to pass legislation that the otherwise wouldn't have passed who's they in that equation. So there are some members in the Florida Senate that like personally coordinated buses from parkland to Tallahassee what were your parents saying or the friends friends parents like it just seemed like the parents were almost gone now. Now, there are some of the parents that are a little more high profile that I that I see, but it was as if you guys were just like taking that's what it felt like suddenly we're seeing on CNN in town halls, and I want to talk a little bit about that. But just like. That you were just used all over the place with not even having a moment to digest what happened? So. So here's how I don't think that necessarily. Social, here's what I think. What happened? I think that the kids saw what happened they were shocked as they should be. And they decided tack like we said this can't happen to anyone else ever. Again. Let's do something. You know, what really occurred is that the mainstream media jumped jumped on this immediately and just like put it to like national scale and really used it to push a gun control agenda. And that's why I started speaking out because I wanted to represent the other side of stone Douglas who doesn't believe in gun control. Yes. Just tell me a little bit about view in high school before this jump to lie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What was Kyle? Because you've liked before this because I know you sort of as a political these now in like, a wickedly incisive Twitter, and like, you know, you've put on events that I've been part of your incredibly organized and connecting with great people and all that stuff which is telling about the kid before that day all the recap. Yeah. I'll give you the story of my life story. Yeah. So. So my parents came from Israel the immigrated here my dad, my mom served in the they came here. There's nothing worked their way up. And then when I was when I was at home, Tommy, Hebrew, and English. So we only spoke Hebrew at home. So I'm fluent Hebrew. And they put me through school. And I was always the shortest kid in the great. So I was like always like I was just like even shorter than the shortest girl. Great. I was like what was it like eighth grade? I was four I was like legally midget. So I got bullied a lot like I try not to have a victim mentality. Because I don't think it's successful. I think you agree with me on that. So is always bullied, and I was always extreme. I was always smart. So that kind of went back on me a little bit. But I was always put a lot and it built up myself esteem. In addition. I was always like taking the hardest classes, my parents would push me. Take the hardest classes possible. So at Douglas before all this is someone I had a good social life. So I would basically I would go to school do might be classes, go home video games. So like ten ten pm start homework to like start homework and then finish at two AM five hours of sleep. Because I was my cycle was terrible. But I was like super dicta video games. And then the shooting happens and just turned my life upside down. So completely changed me. So at that moment, you know, I had to become much more mature, I ha I was living in the adult world. You know, I had responsibilities that are things I had to I had to act a proper certain way. And, you know, did you have any particular political beliefs before all this because you're definitely in terms of at least the kids or the young people that are public about all of this now that have come out of stoneman Douglas. I mean, you definitely are the one that that I know of is is the furthest right that is sort of embraced conservatism. And all that is that where you were. Politically thing about anything. Me. My parents aren't political at all whatsoever. So all my political beliefs. I've developed myself and how I develop every single political belief is just I look at it straight from a rational logical point of view with no motions whatsoever. I think you can guess I'm not an emotional person. So I think with with legislative decisions you have to put emotion as far out of it as possible you have to do policies that that actually solve the problem. Non just make you feel good. So I'm really not a not for like feel-good policies. Did you care about politics at all before any of this? Or is this news? Yeah. I twenty sixteen election. I was somewhat into it after the election. I kind of didn't care as much, but I was always like somewhat of a second amendment supporter. Yeah. But when I when I started speaking out, so it's really interesting when I started speaking out. It was like a tidal wave of opposition. You know, had my school was against me some seem like that. You know, all my peers were against me. And I try not to victim and Taliban. I just want to paint the picture of how it actually was the community the mainstream me, and my friends, you know, it seemed like I was going against every single opposition. You know, I was scared like this could ruin my life. But you know, I believe in what I was doing. And I just powered through it. And it's really I just stuck to my beliefs and didn't let anyone tell me otherwise. Because when I was when I was in Tallahassee when they were pushing Republican legislators ten act gun control relation. I said look. Gun control isn't going to solve the problem. I want to solve the problem. I wanna make sure that school school shootings never happened. What can I do actually make that happen? And what can I do while protecting the second amendment because I actually believe it's one of the most fundamental rights of Americans. So while I was there. I started speaking out and nobody cared like I would go to reporters and nobody cared. So I had to forcefully talk to reporters say, hey, look conservative can reach out. And then I managed to get Leland bittered contact with looms that are FOX I want on FOX in an interview and Ben Shapiro saw in blew off. But all the while. That's the first time. I remember seeing all the Wilders extreme opposition. And the entire thing that I've always had sorry. Well, I just wanted to what do you? 'cause I know you kinda mock the media the way I do now on on Twitter and just sort of what means dream media has become and that they really activists and journalists and that whole thing, but we shocked when you were going up to them. Going. You know, I'm a conservative or I wanted defend the secondment, but I'm on the student from this school, and they're just blatantly ignored you or even I know this is minor. But like I remember when a bunch of you guys were all verified on Twitter at once you weren't. Yeah. And it was. With Instagram as well talk me like three months after everyone else. Yeah. And I'm not saying that that it doesn't really mean, it doesn't matter of itself is it is a symptom of sort of the broader situation going on here with tech companies in media, and all that they flat out ignoring you. You saw them interviewing people and then so here's here's what occurred. The main organizers of that with a solid group of the March for alive kids at this point. They had solidified a click, and they wouldn't let anyone new or with different opposing view into it. So I said, I take matters into my own hand. In addition. We're in Tallahassee I realized that the mainstream media is just doing this. Because can we think about it when mashing occurs the mainstream media loves it like they get great coverage. They get great amount of us. Do. Also, which I'll talk to like notoriety edition after this. But I saw that when someone there was a girl crying and Tallahassee. And the second she cried too. She got sworn by reporters, and I saw that they were just looking for for clicks in for headlines. I realize that the really they're not reading it for the right reasons. They're not gonna listen to a rational a rational young kid like me. Okay. So in addition, I also realized that there was an extreme amount of just people were just benefitting off of this so much. So after the shooting we realize that a lot of this occurred because the shooter who I try not to say his name ever because I think that gives them to notarize they they would they would post. So here's what time did. So the video of the shooter were basically says, you know, I'm going to be the next school shoot of twenty teen. I want twenty people, and he basically says you're all going to see me on the news. So and then time magazine puts this video on YouTube. It gets three point six million views the same thing with all the other videos CNN talked about this exact clip, and basically still showed it on air. So the entire thing with the meat you meters doing that? They're basically just benefitting off the situation, and what they don't realize they're perpetuating the issue and making it worse. That's why think daily wire Venezuelan grits with not showing their names and faces because it's an ethical decision. I don't think government should impose on on the mainstream media to not allow the show their faces. But I think it's an ethical and mortar fishing that people should be taking. So just to be totally clear. So after this shooting that was when Ben announced he's the editor the nineteen wire they are no longer going to show their after. Yeah. So okay. So you started to see this this issue with the media that they're hearing people like you, and they're sort of making other people stars. And they're going for the clicks. And all of that. What about you know? I don't wanna make this about people per se. But so that little clique of of kids that was all over the media and was getting re tweeted by every celebrity and all of that were you trying to reach out to them at all. And just have that discussion or was it just very clear. I still try to have that discussion. You know, when they first started speaking on. I said oh my God. That's great someone speaking out and originally when the movement started speaking when started remember Cameron Caskey was on on the car shouting, the movement wasn't an anti gun movement. It was an anti school shooting movement. And I said, hey guys, this is quickly. I I gave him warning guys. It looks like you're moving in the direction of an anti gun movement. And I don't think that's beneficial at all. So here's my point of tried communicating and I tried speaking, and they really didn't care in allowing me. So I said, okay, I have to go solo. And that's what I've been doing. But I've always been open to discussion and open to be I think one of the great things that our country where you can have open discussion and just free expression of ideas. That's why think the Connie thing is somewhat great because regardless of what you think of the person or celebrity, I'm not I'm not in favor of propping up celebrities and their political Pinon simply because they're famous, but you don't need a lot of political expertise. To say that I believe in free expression free thought bright. That's that shouldn't be a really controversial position to be to be staying out. All right. So you mentioned cameras, and you know, I had him on the show. He's going through a very interesting of Lucien right now. I suspect I can figure out where this is going to end up which actually be much closer to your position than the position that he sort of at right now because I just continually see that as the pollution of things the more that he understands rights and all of those things, but I was happy to hear his thoughts and all that down with me. He sat down with Shapiro. And I think he'll continue to do that. Have you guys been able to make peace with some of this stuff or you must at least be enjoying the fact that somebody's kind of coming around. I think Kim's a good guy. I think that we're seeing right now is that he's matured. I mean, we've all make. So mean mean Cam have gone through the same political, slush media, you know, experience. So we can understand each other. What happened with came? As like, look we've all made mistakes. We've always have stuff we don't want to. But he's matured, and I've also matured and what I what I think is happening with Cam. It's the natural progression of just having logical thought instead of emotions, and I think logic and facts moves you towards the political beliefs of being a conservative. Okay. So all of this happens. I think the the sort of rock bottom of this. Was that CNN townhall house terrible. Just share your thoughts on that. So here's what happened with the CNN townhall. So a lot of the kids that you saw there. We're actually flown in private jet from Tallahassee so ready at the time of the town hall. There was a solidified group click of the kids that you see now, and they won't let anything into actually flew these kids in a private from Tallahassee to the town hall in right there. It was it was just simply. They were just it was an anti gun debate. And they were just villain. Ising? Rubio in Dana lash for things that had nothing into their control whatsoever. Wasn't their fault. Marco Rubio was Vilnai's to such an extreme extent. And he's one of the best senators. So you've connected with Rubio. Yeah. Yeah. I mean. I hate it. Because when people say the politicians just don't care. It's just so wrong. I mean politicians they do care. And you know, he was one of the greatest supporters of the stops. Go violence that we got past and you just help push it. And look these senators don't want us to occur Kenny one and just saying the politicians want this to happen. It's just wrong. Do you have any thoughts on what actually happened that day in terms of security, or what should have happened should've shouldn't have happened? Because even now when you go back, and listen, depending on where you're getting your news from this. It sounds they either step down or they go in or this or that or the other thing, and it's like, well what what should have happened in the ideal world that you want to create in the system that you want to create to protect this these schools from not having this happen again, what should happen that day. What we saw my school was simply an utterly massive incompetence and failure of law enforcement. You know, the the so the shooter was flagged multiple times by the school by school administration. They knew he had mental issues. He was put into the promise program. And they knew that this kid was threat. There were seventy six times the police there were seventy six times the police came to his house to retrieve airports. They knew that this kid was a threat and the law enforcement was completely incompetent at that level. And they didn't do absolutely anything. Everyone knew this kid wasn't issue. What happened at school was was just uttering competence in addition. So when he gets on campus. Okay. He just makes a straight beeline for the freshman building. And at the exact same time, we had a school resource officer who heard the gunfire in came and you just hit in corner while kids were dying and then three unarmed. Individuals rush to save three three on when the building and died trying to save kids what we should have had. And this is why I pushed for the only way to stop a shooter who is active on campus is to have other people who are armed the only way to. This on a cliche. The only way to solve a bad guy with the gun is good guy with the gun. And in addition to that there's the entire idea of a gun free gun free zone. It is utterly stupid. It is just completely stupid. All it's doing is enticing targets saying, look you go here. So here's here's what's the school. The average response time from police station to a school nationally is fifteen minutes the ever shaima school shooting happens is five minutes. That means the shooter fifteen minutes to do whatever he wants the schools that gun free zone. So here's what I'm saying. At least allow teachers who have gone to the proper training ex-military ex law enforcement to be armed because what that does is it sends not only a message deterrent to a shooter. That says look the school is armed if you get in your brains blown out. It also says that the school isn't a gun for the school is no longer gun free zone. So I'm with you partly on that. So what I would. Maybe maybe you can explain this. A little bit further. I don't know that I want guns in those classrooms. Even if it's here's the license. Here's the there are twenty five states where teachers can be armed in our armed in schools and all the hypotheticals that are pronounced. It's like, you know, what if a teacher shoots a student when there's another like what if there's a school shooter in teacher gets shot, and there's a gun on the floor. What is the student? Do these hypothetical don't happen twenty five states where teachers or any armed and it works. So why not just have them have security guards specific. Here's the thing. I'm all for having security guards higher issue is how do we best manage funds insecure our schools, but thing with law enforcement officers that they cost a lot of money and impoverished schools. Are ready Mead that funding for materials? In addition. It does not take a lot of training and a lot of money to have a teacher to be armed. And this has been proven to work. In addition. When you have teachers who are armed the shooter doesn't know who it is. If it's a law enforcement officer, you can clearly see who it is if one resource officer school resolve who's armed the shooter comes and takes the school resource officer, and then the free to do whatever. But it's simply so here's the thing simply giving teachers to have the opportunity has a massive effect because it's up to their own will to do. So they have to go through training, and they have to it's a concealed carry. So nobody knows they have them. So as you said before you like, facts and logic. Okay. Strictly fax don't care about your feelings. All right. I got you that that works. When you've engaged some of your, friends and other students about these ideas. I mean, everyone watching this at this point knows that so much of what's coming out of the modern left is about feelings, and all these things do you have a sense that they understand that young people at least understand like what rights are what why why we should care about these things why free speech matters, why the second amendment matters and things of that nature. So or does it just sound good to them, and there's a pretty much it makes them feel good. You know, what they push? It makes them feel good by their motions that makes sense. So here's the thing. I am very scared of lowering the age people vote to be fifteen like that scares me because the kids that I know who are fifteen know absolutely nothing about politics. I think I know like the kids from March for our lives better than I know their own arguments better than they know their own arguments like I can argue for them better than they can do. So I strongly us facts only. So when I make an argument with them, I really know what they're gonna do next. So here's how I'll give you like a ten minute or five minute recap. Basically how I premises second amendment. In america. We have the right to bear arms in DC Heller that right ruled that individuals right to our doesn't mean the militia the militia clauses different from the individual right to bear arms means that you personally have the right to arm yourself K there about two hundred and seventy million guns. The United States fifteen million those are air fifteen's. So we look at gun sets or thirty three thousand annual gun deaths. Sixty six percents two-thirds suicide Sali's us with eleven thousand gun nuts. So in addition parentheses difference in homicide and murder so homicide is is just a killing a murder in auto killing and gun stats. Mike too perverse. This into skew sadistics, so three percent of all gun deaths are with rifles. Okay. And three percent. Sixty eight percent of those suicide. So one percent of all gun. That's actual murders. Actually. Yeah. Are actually murders with rifles eighty percent of gun crime related activity. Is with illegal firearms most schools, most shootings or with pistols. So so the March for life five bullet points, one of them is. Talk about like to talk about the CDC, and we should allow the CDC to research. The issue does the CDC has already proven to skew Satistics and to not actually provide good research. What research is that they want the CDC used to be able to do research on gun violence prevention and just figure out what's going on. But it's been proven time and time again that the scooter statistics with was like, no, we're not allowing you to PECH wait a false myth, so meth. So basically, they stopped funding. The next thing is that they want high capacity magazines. There is no distinction. There is no difference that shows that high capacity, magazines, whatever that means can do more damage than simply having more clips. Having small having larger clips the less. There's no distinction that actually does more damage. The next thing that they want to do is banned semi-automatic rifles as I said before three percent of all done that sir with rifles, so banning them. Just absolutely nothing. Addressing the issue in lowering gun violence is making sure that we have making sure that we have more people who are armed because there's a direct correlation oxidation correlation that when we increase farm ownership and concealed carry permits. In addition violent crime goes down. So the next thing they like the propose what about Great Britain, Australia, so great bit. And there is there's a ban on guns it mainly after violent crime spiked. In addition, you have armed robberies increased violent crime increased immediately after and burglaries in Great Britain. Sixty percent of the Macur when the individuals at home for thirteen percent of the US. So burglars have admitted that they do this because they know that the person will have the purse or whatever. And they won't they'll be on armed, so violent crime, spike. The next thing is they say, hey, Kyle. What about the gun by program? So ready in Australia? When the program was initiated, the ready statistical zero for gun death public mass public school shootings. So in addition when the buyback it's implemented. They're ready were like their millions millions less guns in Australia than the we're now so gun buyback goes in only one third of guns get taken and when we sign mmediately after the buyback was that violent crime spiked. So here's just the basic argument. There is not been one single occurrence where gun control gets past and and gun deaths. No gun homicides. Actually decreases at factory in Australia. The gun the homicide rate was ready decreasing a really good rate. It gets passed gun control and the rate stalls. So it actually hurt on addition immediately after it was passed a violent crime rates, go up and the national trend was going down. So the gun buyback program was completely ineffective. Did absolutely nothing. And then it failed on such a huge level in Australia that implementing it in the US with two hundred seventy million guns, simply won't work. Let's shift the discussion a little bit too the NRA because that other part of this that during the the town hall and the subsequent discussions that. It got very confused as to what the NRA actually does. What do they want to do? What are the people who don't like them think they do cetera et cetera. So I just give me your position on the NRA. Generally. I think the NRA's a fantastic organization that defends the rights the right to bear arms of individuals thing with the NRA is that they really don't have the money influence that people say, they do all they have is the social influence Republican senators know that the base believes in the values of the NRA promotes and defense. And then they're send that if they go against the NRA they're going against their own constituents. The rate does not have a big budget. They really don't they're not like this like super powerful like that they directly control senators and congressmen with their money, they control with their ideals. What the entering which is fantastic. Is it provides a check from like from the public not from the government for defending our right to bear arms. And it's fantastic. It helped I think with the case with McDonald for Chicago that helped bolster second amendment rights for individuals. I mean in the NRA does does a great job there NRA Islay program, which is actually the legislative branch on funding the second amendment does a fantastic job. I think right now they're taking a case against raising the remaining twenty one right for the shooting. Rick Scott signed into law in Florida raising age to buy a firearm rifle now, so before before you couldn't buy a handgun if you're under twenty one, but you could buy a rifle because handguns were used in violent crimes. Whether I think, that's right or not separate discussion. But he raised the age for making toe into by rifle and directly the the enemy was like this is unconstitutional, boom, we put into law seat just dress that eighteen to twenty one age. There is absolutely no evidence that raising the age does absolutely does does anything to to lower gun homicide whatsoever. So what do you think about the certain set of people that think that if we could just have all of the right laws, or we could just manage everything properly that everything would be fun thing is because it doesn't take into things we have all. All the laws that we need are ready on the books of things the enforcement doesn't work so make attentional get back here. I think it is utterly hypocritical that the left hates Trump and that he's in power. But then they're saying we have the trust more. So if you think the government if you think Trump is literally Hitler. Why are you giving your way right to wear berms to this terrain? Ical government. Question again, just that there's a certain set of people that they just law. I got you so weird. He have the the the laws on the books, you know, just the enforcement the enforcement what needs to occur like the Lautenberg amendment means dome says domestic abusers cannot have a firearm. That's already on the books just needs to be enforced. There's the issue with. The Knicks background check program where they say we need more time to to evaluate and give you back your background check to buy weapon. The issue is the government doesn't need more time. It just needs more of the records. So the reason why the shooting occurred was because I think it was a military branch where there was someone were he committed a violation and by law the heat they should've transfer that over to the database, and therefore we wouldn't have been able to buy weapon but the records weren't transferred. He was able to buy a weapon and shot up the church. So the government just needs to get all the records and do their job. Same thing with red flag laws. And people like to talk about this. This is a little bit more trickier. Areas of this. But red flag laws basically say that someone can flag you, and then you get reviewed, and then you can get your gun taken away and a lot of people also like so the issue with red flag gun laws is that it's all about government force -ment. And that's that's that's the issue. And there's also the big issue where people like to talk about mental health, and they say you mentally ill people should be able to choir weapon. So I talked to countless individuals about some should ask Peterson. But I forgot to the question is how do you determine when someone is mentally ill enough and hits the threshold? So they cannot have a weapon, and nobody knows. And in addition to thing with the shooter in my school looking retroactively. We can say this kid was mentally insane. But I don't know if a court adjudicate that he would actually be mentally insane by by law, therefore taking gun away. Yeah. So is the inherent problem here. Do you think that you cannot manage all of these things you can do the? You can have some sensible laws around them and defend our right to bear arms and all of that and make sure schools are taking care of. But that generally speaking. Yes, there's a sort of sliding scale, psychologically, but also that the people that want to do bad. We'll find ways to do bad. They're not ones that are walking out and looking at a building it says, oh, no guns here. Yes. It not gonna walk in with a gun criminals will act like criminals matter what. But the good thing is that our laws are working. I mean, I think it's violent crime or some rate from the nineteen nineties to two thousand ten. Has decreased fifty percent. And and in schools are safer now than they were twenty years ago like school shooting rates are declining and homicide rate gun homicide rates are declining and homicide rates are declining. So we're becoming a more peaceful nation and a lot of that has to do with having more gun owners and to having more concealed carry permit owners because those people. When when there's a shooting, those people are the first responders, I think it's wrong to say that oh, we'll just let the police arrive after the crime has been committed. No, you need people there immediately to stop the shooter. That's why I'm all for Hatton. Teachers and school officers at schools to immediately take down the shooter. All right. Let's shift. I mean, I don't think we're going to get away from guns here. But let's shift a little bit. Okay. What is it like to be a seventeen year old right now? That's in the mix of this. That's now a public person do crazy to just be heart of this this oddly unique time where it feels like the adults have lost the plot. And it's got to be very hard for you to find people that kind of make sense. I think you've been able to find a couple of them, but just to be seventeen in this very odd political cultural time. Yeah, it's insane. It's insane. Like, what does it feel unique to you? I know you haven't lived through this before. But like, I don't know how to. Judge all I know is that. I'm an adult now, and I have to act like an adult whether whether seventeen or eighteen I have commitments that I make I have to go through it them. And I've just my mature forced to become insured. I can no longer play the games and waste time. They're things that have to do. But I've just been so blessed to find a solid group of people who actually care about me and want the best for me. Like, Ben Charlie guy Benson people who have just reached out to me. And just selflessly helped me navigate this political minefield. But it's crazy 'cause like all the people that I looked up to like two years ago and like when wash videos not gonna knock boasts area go here. But I watch your show. Please continue. But yeah, it's awesome. That now I can reach out for their expertise thing with me is that I always like to start with look, I don't know anything. And I'm always looking to get more information to know more like today, I had a call with with a gun expert. On the way here. And it's like what more can I learn in order to be like fully fluent and knowledgeable about the subject that I'm talking about. And they're a bunch of stuff that I don't know about and I'm constantly trying to learn. So when you see a guy, and again, I don't like making this about people rather than ideas. But when you see a guy like David Hogg out there, and he clearly is taking just the progressive line on this. And he seems more to me to be sort of a progressive activist than sort of fair arbiter of what's going on here. That's got to be frustrating for you that he so public about this suppose, well that you obviously probably disagree with him on one hundred percent of the policy parts. This is I don't wanna make about the personal parts. But that he's sort of is sort of a media hero. And you're kind of the black sheep of of this group. I mean, maybe not to the to the Shapiro's in me and whoever else. So here's what I say. There is no issue that kids are on television via shoe is is that when someone is spouting policy. They they are no longer a child they are pushing policy, and they should be treated as every adult of such when you say something outrageous. You should be called out on that. I remember there's a segment with it was on CNN where he says something completely outlandish. And there was no blowback solo. Here's what I think was that the line about Marco Rubio wants to kill kids. So what I say what I'm pushing policy. And I say, please tell me that I'm saying something stupid and push me back on that. The thing is with me that look when I'm on TV I'm not talking to the child on pushing policy. Right. And I expect there to be pushed back. I don't think you can say whatever you want. And in addition. I think that having debate is great. I love I love going on Piers Morgan and having a debate with that was great. And I think we hate this thing we're like, we're one second you're spouting policy. But then you rush back to the shield of a child, but we have to take my opinion seriously because the second adult so just just this isn't this isn't fair. And what I saw I think one of the reasons why. I grew too much publicity was because I was saying the things that adults weren't able to say like I was able to say things that Ben Shapiro or you or Charlie Kirk or the right wasn't able to say because I'm a kid, and I don't think that's fair because I think that when you're spouting policy. You are no longer child urine adult what do you make of what's going on with the right, generally? Because you ran the turning point was that the high school event that I did or done so many. Okay. So you do the high school leadership summit in BC? And I spoke there this is a couple months ago a great lineup of speakers. And was there and you had big time Hammill Titians. And I so I mean that was the first time we met, and I was like holy debate about abortion, right? Okay. Jacker? So that's my point. So I if you you ran this whole thing, I mean, you're you're you're still in high school, right? We're gonna talk a little bit about where you want to go to college. But you ran an incredible event with major time people. And and it was it was jam packed. And it was diverse in terms of ideas. So we get into a private debate about abortion. You brought me there. And I went up there. Thanks, but I went up there. And I talked about my differences with this group. I talked about and the kids were respect, and I talked about gay marriage and abortion and death penalty in a couple of things that generally these young conservatives are not for I think eight marriage. They're pretty much for the ship is held on that one. I'm pretty sure I got a huge ovation on it. But it is just clear to me that there has been a real lineman on the right where there is exactly what you're saying. Oh. Yeah. Can we just say that Lindsey Graham two point? Oh is fantastic. It's unbelievable. I mean, just that one thing with the tie the great. Yeah. I think the right call it. So I think the rightist finally realizing that youth. Energizing the youth and instilling the next future. Conservative leaders is extremely important. And we saw that with high schoolers or something we had some of the biggest names like Nikki Haley Voss. We turn Jeff Sessions, so many people. Every we Mark meadows. We'd Steve Scalise. We we Prager at you. And it was just it was fantastic seat. The right. Just understand that these are the leaders of tomorrow, let's inform them. But in addition turning puts such a great organization, it's free speech, free markets and capitalism. Those three lakes and what we saw turning point is such. It's such a great organization because we brought people who I've disagreements with to speak their Mark Cuban spoke got a couple of standing ovations had a debate with Charlie men people loved it. So we're all open having free discussion and debate like we're working on Sassoon action summit, December nineteen twenty second shameless. Plug. And we're we're looking like how can we get the most diverse group of people to speak thinking about something from the intellectual dark web to speak there. I think it's great if we can get Alan Dershowitz, just how can we get diversity of thought? So why is it that this new right or whatever you wanna call it young conservative group? Whatever it is. Why is it that you guys are able to do this? And I see virtually none of this on your counterparts on the left. Let's not sure I mean, the left has organized mobilize you right now. We are not. But I'm talking about diversity of thought. Like where are they becoming even mildly disagree? Not talking about Sterry conservatives I'm talking about old school liberals where where are they inviting them to just have an interesting conversation left to so dead set on political correctness and saying everything to not offend anyone. With the slightest, micro, micro, micro aggression. That is just you can't live in that world and tall. It logical. Liberals yourself are moving to the right. These subtle little injections pleasant. It's nice are moving people to the right and conservatives are like come here. My refugees, my political refugees were embracing you, so okay. So when I hear people say Ruben, the conservatives who just using you you go to turning point. They're just using you. You're not just using me out. No. I mean. Yeah. But really, I mean what I've seen is intellectual flexibility. And it's even when I've had been in here and we've done this conversation repeatedly now about gay marriage. I just firmly believe that as time goes on. I can shift him. There's something that sort of insulting about it to me when people say that to me because I'm confident I'm confident in my thought, he's gonna take you an abortion. I really think that like in a few years, you'll be with us on abortion. Maybe what that would be a off. Right. Like, if if all too, I always describe myself as begrudgingly interpretation of of homosexuality, while I don't I don't I don't have a strong opinion on it. Because I haven't thought about it enough by his religious standpoint, it makes sense. But from the government, San points, it also makes total sense. Well, that's why I'm completely fine with him. It's like, you wanna have your religious view. I have to respect that. But if you were trying to legislate my life. The great thing with the right is that we're open to just diversity just say, whatever you want. Let's talk about it. And let's get to the right rational viewpoint like, I've always been about the bait because it brings people it's all about logic, and it brings people to the right and result. So when I'm on tour with Peterson. The question that I think both of us get asked more than anything else is what are the best techniques to wake people up out of this sort of postmodern identity politics, progressive group think as young person in the midst of this. What would you say some techniques you've been able to use because it can't just be about drugging them with facts? Right. I mean, just doing a fantastic job. They're just craziness pushing people to the right. There's just sort of stands on south. What we saw right now with Connie. In addition. It's just he was simply saying funeral expression. Freedom thought I support the president our president has to be the freshest the flyest. Just pushing people to diversity of thought and freedom of expression to think whatever you want. You shouldn't have you shouldn't be held down by your skin color or race or. Your sexuality. Like, none of this matters. You should be able to think what you want to be able to say it without being tied down by your identity. How do you make sure that you don't get burned out? Because I think I remember the first communication we ever had. I think when either you follow me on Twitter. I sent you a quick one line note. And I was just like just don't get burned out. Because I saw you just you were in the fight every day. You were you were own own in the libs. And all that which by the way, you know, you mentioned that Nikki Haley was at your summit. She she went. She went to to in effect. What is a a lot of Trump people right at this at this event. You put on she goes there. And she says, you know, don't make this about just owning the lives, and she got applause for it. And I hit that same point. I think the next day because I think if you guys do exactly what you just laid out just kind of stand there. It'd be cool and you'll you will decency wins. I think I only believe that these sinc- wins. Can we just take a Hilly's Fanta? And I I kinda cry for like a week ever since she said that we'll do you think that this is perhaps paving the road for her running at some point? I don't know. There's so many forty chess like theories, I just know I just I know that she's just been doing a fantastic job. And she's just one of the best. Nikki Haley, Ben Shapiro twenty twenty four. Yeah. I mean, I'd probably have to be press secretary at that point that would work for like one horrific week. And then that'd be fine. All right. So gimme gimme some of the techniques. When you see that it can't just be about standing still and facts, if you're in a conversation with a young person, that's really just bought into all of this. What are some of the techniques used? So let's have you been successful. I suspect that you sometimes. Yeah. I think I have the first thing you have to realize is that is this person looking tapping open discussion and actually wants talking a lot these days. It's too much or actually wants to develop their point of view if. Do you have to treat it with decency and respect not call them an idiot or something you have to treat them like like a good human being should? And then just have a rational conversation with them and see where they're coming from. And a lot of times. I can immediately know what we're going to respond to me like just up the VAT, I know what they're gonna respond to and then I hit them with with an initial. Here's what you're gonna say. Here's the reason shocked. Yeah. But then do you get them around? I mean, do you find because it really it's like sort of deprogramming somebody out of this. And I've had some success at it. Right. Watch my show now. So yeah, I mean when I first heard speaking out kids would come up to me in school in two things they would say be like highly conservative. So thing about school is really interesting. I would get staredown in like people like try to beat me up. So people would send me like, hey, Kyle watch out. So and so trying to beat you up. All right, man. Go for. And people would give me stare downs with such films ation of being conservative being second amendments more. When I spoke up, I kind of opened the crack for people to say, oh, I agree with him. People would walk off to me like hush-up Kyle. Thank you so much for doing. I'm just scared to speak out edition. People say Kyle. I thought I was pro gun control, and you spoke, and I listen to you. And then I did some research, and I agree with you. So that was great to see. And like that's just that's all I'm here for so to have people. You know, understand conservatives and understand the second amendment. It's gotta be pretty weird that you guys are still in high school, right? Like, your celebrities in the most strange sense of celebrity you are and you're all still in high school together. What is that? Like, I mean at the end the day after remember that were kids, and I will explain it. So you guys don't think hypocritical when you're on TV and your spouting politics during a dull, but in your private life. You're a kid, and we cannot forget that. So let's say, you know, when someone some kidding left. Does something stupid. It's at the end they their kid, and we have to dress at such. But it's it's been a crazy world win. And I think thank God. I found a solid group of people who want the best for me that I can reach out, you know, just not for policy, but also like personal advice like I. I asked Ben, hey, how do you think I should approach college absence of conservative, and he helped me out, and it's just it's so great to be able to reach out to people and have them. You know, give you advice from like twenty years older than me. And give me that advice if they had to go through. What was that? Great tweet. So you're like number one in your class. Right. Not like, no one. You are number on your correct? There was some tweet that you had about that. Awesome. What was that number one? Yeah. And people got so angry because so angry and then like we're going to boycott graduation. So I was like, yeah. More cake. Great. It was great. And then, you know, the the next what was the reason they wanted to boycott or number one. So then the semester updated. And then I was still number one posted another tweet about that. And then also blew up, and I was like we're gonna get Ben Shapiro to come Dana lashes gonna come. It's gonna be fantastic. Chris Cox was like, yeah. I'm going to be there. I mean is that really how soda polarizing Lee crazy this guy at a high school level that just because they don't like you're never what not by by being more Dame d-. No number one out of clearly a lot of hard, work and smarts. And all that you'd think that there would be certain respect for that. Sad that it said that. We we are no longer able to be friends with people like it said that people in the left think so people in the left thing that you're Republican therefore, you're evil, and that sad that you're not allowed to be friends with people who had different political viewpoints. And you like my best friend is a liberal and actually brought him to the turning point event. And after it was like, you know, Kyle some awesome people make. I told you, but he still liberal these school. That's cool. He's probably we're getting their union. All right. So let's talk a little bit about college. Okay. So you're you're doing a great job in highschool. Clearly now, you've got a public profile grades. Great seemingly you could get in to wherever you want to go. Yeah. So do you really think that will play a role in the schools that you're able to get into? Yeah. Absolutely. It's sad to say. But but there is a bias against conservatives, especially like the top tier schools like right now, I'm looking to apply to ivy's. Great to get into Harvard or Columbia. I really think you'd be the reckoning of those plays. I really awesome. I really think it's really important to be accredited. My thinking about George W to work on the hill. I think that's great. But I really I really don't know. What's next for me? I really don't know. It's go to college on definitely gonna stay with turning point. It's a great organization. I'm still going to be conservative. Don't worry. I'm not going to change change. People. Don't go the other way. Right. You're not going to certainly grow up like. No, go to the feelings things that usually that won't happen. Yeah. But so you wanna go to school? But you so you really do think that your your politics could affect I guess, they don't well. What happened with David Hogg? Right. He didn't get into to all what his grades. Are. He didn't get into a whole bunch of schools, right? I mean, there've been rumors that have gone to Harvard northeastern it wouldn't surprise me. Yeah. What do you want to study any idea? It's either business or law. I really don't know yet. I just you know, I always like business, and I think laws just absolutely phenomenal. Really don't know yet. But you know, it's gonna be great to be on a college campus where everyone is just really liberal. That'll be fine. It's sort of weird. I guess this shows a little bit about the way the college experience is going, but in a bizarre way, just knowing you from the little bit that I know you it's like in a way, it's almost like you don't have to go to college like. Well, I'm not saying you shouldn't. And I think there's all sorts of social reasons that somebody should go, and you can you learn all sorts of other ways that aren't necessarily academic. But it's clearly you've got the academic thing down and can keep learning that way. So it's you know, it's bizarre that people spend twenty grand a year to go to college. When nobody's the sad thing is surrounded by a lot of great minds is what I'm saying. I'm with you these colleges that you're basically paying to get your so brainwashed with stupidity. And that's suck part because there are actually great things to learn college. Just not like lesbian dance theory says. To some of these classes are just useless. And you know, it's just straight up complete stupidity. A lot of stuff that they're teaching there. So what do you make of how this seems to be a through line through education? And I mean, high school education college education, clearly the media like all of the sort of brainwashing. Stuff that you're talking about. It's always going against people like you. And I see you on Twitter takedown CNN all the time. You take down main street fund people built my thoughts on this. It's like I just wish to me. If these address that Twitter, just Twitter's for fun. We have to stop taking Twitter socio bio bio, perfect, not real life. It's not real life. But peop-, but the weird thing about that. Is it starting to leak into real life? I did a direct message like a year and a half ago or so about how online culture is becoming mainstream culture. And I think that that really is what's happening here, Twitter's not real life. But it's starting to leak out in. Into everyone's conversations. Fox's seen NBC. Are basically Trump's Twitter Twitter is like it all like have you seen shows where they basically read random replies to messages? It's like John Smith three point seven four. This like that. And he's so stupid. But the biggest thing that we're seeing right now is a cultural shift with the youth like memes memes. Have so much power memes. One a lot memes helped so much for the Trump's twenty sixteen campaign with really did. And social media has a huge influence on our beliefs in our actions. And that's why it is so scary to see censorship of conservatives online. Because that is basically like Twitter is basically the new version of you just like yelling into a crowd. And that's basically the main form of everyone's communication and shutting down is like heavily restricting. I haven't developed my full opinion on this. But it seems such restricting this restricts really restricts your first amendment. Right. Yeah. So this is the whole issue about whether they're publishers or platforms the big issue. I don't know. If saying this, right? But I think one of the things if there are certain if they're earth Republic for then like they have a lot of legal liability if their platform than everyone should say, whatever they want. But that's not the case. So it's like pick one. And they're just completely censoring conservatives like I know Prager you gets like the videos de monetize so much. And have you got demonetized? They probably now. Now, it's gotten a little bit better. But our videos just don't go out to feeds anymore. I went on that they don't have that crazy rampage. I went on. I just started re tweeting real people. I only did it with real people with real name saying they've been unsubscribe and they're getting hundreds and sometimes re tweets, and I'm tagging you to they just ignore me. Yeah. And it's like come on guys. Yeah. Facebook and Twitter all have proven biases proven. How worried are? Well, it's interesting too. Because you you never you didn't grow up in a time when there was some sort of trust-worthy seemingly trustworthy level of the media. Like CNN was not always this the reason, I don't even know if you know this. But the reason I think that so many people like me that are older than you attack in the most is cassia and used to be decent like MSNBC saying we lean left. Yes. Yeah. And CNN saying that and it's like, no, you're not we know what you're doing. And that's why always acce- end because it's like you guys have actually become the worst in the name of the ratings or like. All of the lowest. It's like a block read CNN. So here's what I think. I think that a lot of young people and like. Make an average Americans do not trust the media anymore, and they have sought out individuals instead so they trust individuals. So they look to you. They look to Ben they looked to guy Benson Charlie Kirk for for their news because they trust the individual, right? Do you see a great risk in that too? Because I'm worried about also. But the thing is with that is that you have absolute liability for what you say, you know, CNN can can come whip something up or you know, when when an individual like tweet something it's on like they're responsible for their actions. So one of the things I've been saying lately that I'm actually in a bizarre way less interested in politics now than I've ever been. But I'm interested in what you referenced a little while ago. This culture thing I mean, culture cultures politics is downstream from culture. Yeah. That's so true. Yes. So do you see that really as as sort of the future of all this that it's not going to be about all of the little MAC and nations of politics? It's just gonna be about. I mean this. I guess this is the strength of Trump. Well, argue it's either the strength or the the the worst part of Trump, I suppose cultural thing not necessarily a political thing. No. I mean, they're pros and cons to that. But we we have to play by the rules that are set by society. These are the rules diesel rules that culture has a massive impact on society. And whether I like it or not that is Connie speaking out first of all, I think it's crazy speaking out first amendment, right? I don't think we should be propping up. Opinions by celebrities because they're famous you have to show that you are informed on the subject, and that's that. But it doesn't take a political g to say that I believe in our second amendment in our first amendment that doesn't take Taylor swift doing seven thousand page essay, you know, that makes absolutely no sense and contradicts itself ridden by a liberal. You know? Worker on the hill that I was disappointed in that just because I have no particular feelings about her when I. I don't think I need one song or whatever. But it's just like the fact that she stayed out of politics. I like I was like, oh, whatever she's doing or whatever her handlers and two are kind of like it. And then she got in on this. And it's like I don't care which way she was going to break. I was just like we this is not what we need. Yeah. Taylor swift effect president is like down, Marsha Blackburn of. So thanks Taylor swift. No. But we saw right now by the left is that they are losing their stranglehold on culture. And that is very frightening for that. And we saw that with con you and Connie started speaking out, I gave my speech about this, and they started off with mob tactics that didn't work emotional peel the teams he guy was basically begging him. Please men. Take take off your hat, man. It hurts me emotionally my first amendment. I'm not taking it off. And then we saw displayed it racism. Yeah. Vile character assassination. That that is how does that fly? He wouldn't bow down to the mob. Absolutely, wouldn't but they're losing their stranglehold on culture. And whether I like that we are putting so much emphasis cultural icon. Those are the rules them the rules. But this is this is this is the reality that we're living in and we have to understand that. And what's happening with Connie is a real shift, especially for African Americans and people who are like little Tinos. They're basically saying, I don't know why this virtual Blackstone have to Democrats. You don't own me. That's basically all he's saying he is created such a pivotal moment. That says you don't you're stranglehold doesn't affect me. Because I know at Hollywood like the second you say something like, I remember someone said bench pills, a nice guy. His career was destroy Mark. Duplex. Who's a friend of mine? He's on this show. And he had to issue at apology, and it's like ugly the world people people came to his defense at first basically saying you should be allowed to say that. Yeah. Then, unfortunately, he black and black especially young blacks or saying look look up to Kanye west. Millions look up to. They say this individual why does this individual this way and even more? So he didn't bow down to the mob, which is fantastic. And we're seeing a real shift. I don't know the thirty eight percent number thirty eight percent African American over Trump. I don't know if that's necessarily true Ali knows that there's a three percent jump from August, the black approval rating of Trump was three percent, one of the latest polls. And I know the Shogo was ten percent. So there's a big jump. We're seeing that so many young African Americans are so energized turning points doing a black leadership summit a week in the White House. We're gonna get just four hundred African American young individuals to be able to speak their table. Listen to see that the left is losing their stranglehold on culture. And it is scary for that. Because that is the one thing that they have left. All right. I got two more for you. All right. Are you in the prediction game at all? What do you think's gonna happen in these midterms coming up? So what I've. I've been hearing is that. Republicans are lose it in the house and gain in the Senate. I love how. 'cause you're where we're gonna win back the executive these midterms. Here's very confused about close. But look the cavenaugh affect is real like this was like the all the left has to do with sit down. Be quiet. Be civil play. Nice to like, no, no this. We're not gonna Lau this. Okay. And they hit themselves into the club. And then there started crying and the same thing with Connie. That was great. So the cavenaugh really. Amped up energized conservative base and even more. So it finally gave the conservative like the conservatives a backbone like Lindsey Graham two point. Oh, or is this guy? Did I love it? And like Bill Cassidy's, but but here's the here's the interesting thing. Women were the most angered by all of this before cavenaugh in August. It was like thirty five point seven percent approval of Trump after it was a forty point seven and August. Democrats toll point lead over Republicans in voters Yasim now, it's sixty four percent Republicans sixty five Democrats. So we are neck and neck and they sell. Thanks democrats. I mean, my gut as long as you're doing predictions here. I actually think the Republicans do well in both the house and the Senate, I really hope so really what I do think. So because I agree. I think this Bob mentality and watching these videos of antifa, Portland and Hillary saying we can't be civil and Eric Holder saying go take them, and it's like man, if you stand for due process, and civil society, and all of those things that thing needs to burn it kind of sucks, but it's like that that set of ideas, the left thinks the left just completely disregards the constitution. The constitution was written. And the amendments Bill of rights was forced by into federalists to make sure that the government could not become torrential and abuse its power. And this is so important. It's protecting. The right till the individuals and these rights why why do we not all agree on the why is it wrong to believe nude process? Wise it wrong to say, I believe in the vigil shove, the right to the themselves and also defend against the tyranny of a possible government looks like amendments basically Brennan because the founders had just fought against Great Britain, and they had seen how government quickly become so one thing. I didn't know the first thing governments do is they take away the weapons of the civilians Nazi Germany. We saw this China. We saw this in Cambodia. That's the first thing they do and the individual right to bear arms is every individual's not related to the militia clause. So it's basically saying every individuals the right to protect themselves and even more. So it's it's necessary for the protection of a Free State. All right. One more for you hit me, you don't play video games as because you don't have time. What do you do for fun, man? What's fun? Twitter. You can't just tell me Twitter. I know you're on Twitter. But it can't just be Twitter. What are you doing for with me? I used to play a lot of video games. So here's here's my progression. I haven't said this. But this is like a scoop tanks at vent moved to two rocket league. Okay. Sockets terrible game. It's boring. Then it moved to played overwatch played Paladins I played pub and that I played four night and four nine this was when all the shooting occurred, and I just stopped dead in my tracks. Because it was just it's a waste of time. And I see my younger brothers who weren't ticket to the game. And it's just sad to see that. This is the state of our youth that they're just completely addicted to technology like I'm sure if I have kids. Okay, they're not seeing a phone till they're twelve. Due to call me or nine one one nobody'll games. You're reading a book. I don't care. So what do you do for fun? You just told me what you used to come on. You must be having fun somewhere. You're having fun. I got you. You are having fun with this. I have some some of the remaining friends that I have which are really solid friends on weekends. We hang out we go watch movies and stuff like that. In addition. I just think it's great one of the greatest things for me for having fun or simply talking to like minded kids, like young individuals at these turning point events Soviet run. And it's great unlike meeting with pushing policy and stuff like that. It's just fantastic. Like one of the greatest feelings ever was like passing the stops violence act and fixed Knicks like the stops. Appropriated funds two billion dollars funds. For the production of schools, like hardening schools metal detectors, making better communication into law enforcement training, law enforcement, teachers and students and addition there was a clause that said, none of this money will be used for firearm or fire trainings. So this was like the greatest win for the left, and they still hate Bill. Kids hated it. But no, I mean, I'm really dead set on making sure that school shootings just our thing of the past. They never happen again. And you love what you do jobs. Just like just learning about second amendment and just being more knowledgeable and having these debates and discussions or just like they really make my day. Yeah. Well, I think it goes without saying, I mean, I think you have an absurdly bright future. Anki like you're gonna run for president. You're saying probably not. But you left a little window. No. I mean, I literally do maybe there's a thing for politics like the hill in the future right now that set going to college get my degree learning staying the political sphere. But you know, who knows? Then supporting Nikki Haley, Shapiro twenty twenty four right? You see people there is hope for the future for more on Kyle follow him on Twitter at Kyle. Because you've.

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Sunday Special Ep 21: Cameron Kasky

The Ben Shapiro Show

57:10 min | 2 years ago

Sunday Special Ep 21: Cameron Kasky

"When you're in a room and you hear about the schools, everything gets silent everything. It's awkward. Everything gets melancholy. I can't have that. When people hear Stillman Douglas, I don't want them to think about people crying. I want them to think about people taking action, no matter what that action. Can't wait for today's Sunday, special with Cameron Caskey from middle ground. We'll get to talk with Cameron in just one second. But first, let's talk about your privacy online, whether you're in a cafe or hotel, we often rely on public wifi to use the internet on the go, but something as simple as paying your bills online from a Starbucks can leave your data exposed a hacker can easily intercept that information stealing passwords. Credit card numbers. Personal details is not just hackers, either government agencies like the NSA they monitor the internet, you know what they're doing with that information. So what can you use to defend yourself with the software? 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Really appreciate it. If you've robbing me. So for folks who don't know Cameron was one of the students at Marjory stoneman Douglas high school in parkland Florida. When the when the awful shooting took place and he was subsequently a member of March for lives. Now he is one of the leaders of a group called middle ground or your founder of middle ground. Yes, I am. Okay. So tell us a little bit about middle ground than we're going to backtrack and talk about how we got here. So one of the lessons I've learned since starting March for our lives and this was a truly difficult one to grasp was that surprisingly enough? I don't know everything now as a seventeen year old boy who was dead set on the fact that I knew everything that was that threw me for a loop and halfway through my tour with Mark for the summer where we were advocating for more accessible, voting and encouraging people to register. I realized. I was in, I was in Texas, and I spoke to some people. Maybe the people who disagree with me don't want the country to be a bad place. Maybe they just have different views. And I was born in a bubble where my heavily liberal mindset that I still maintain convince me that anybody who didn't agree with me was had Mallon tent and and they didn't. I thought the people who didn't agree with me on gun laws didn't care when kids died. That's not the case. I learned a lot of things. So I thought, how can I prevent people from making the mistakes that I made, we've got a really engaged young generation. There's no lack of passion, but there's a lack of information, and there's a lack of civility very frequently. And very often there is there is instability in the guise of passion, and that's fine. But I want to move into the future with a more humanized look at politics. I think that everybody in the country, well, I would call ninety six percent of the country wants the country, a better place. How do we fix this? I mean, we're in a more polarized place than ever. What can we do to make this better? So I thought to create a program called middle ground and at middle ground we, we would really explore everybody's perspectives. My personally my opinion hasn't changed, but my opinions on opinions of changed. I respect people who disagree with me. I want to learn from them because I'm a child. I can't rent a car. I can't. I can't buy house. I, I'm not the expert on everything and very frequently. I'm treated like the expert on things and you know, I believe that my inside is valuable. I think that a fact whether spoken by three year old or a seventy year old is still fact and insight is subjective. But I, I want to create a more educated youth loaded. That's really, obviously mature and I, I have a lot of sympathy for you because you were sort of thrust into the public eye in fashion. You obviously never expected or wanted. I, I've been in the public eye at your age and it's it's definitely difficult thing in the lesson that you learned you learn faster than I learned it for. Sure. And so that's the separately a path you've had to take. So let's let's go back to the beginning. What? Exactly. So let's start with you as a person. Sure. Where we were, you born, what's your family like? So I was born in Hollywood, but Hollywood, Florida. I grew up in south Florida. I, my parents got divorced when I was ten, I was luckily lucky enough to get to amazing stepparents not everybody gets. Those was happily raised by a four people who really had a great dialogue with each other, very respectful and very understanding of me. I wasn't always these easiest kid raise. I have an older brother who is actually pretty easy to raise in the younger brother who has autism. Surprisingly enough. My younger brother who does have special needs requires the least attention of the three of us. I have a step sister who's lovely as well. I mean, I'm definitely the worst person in my family, and I think I'm a good person. So that's saying something and you know, I I grew up with the very liberal mindset. I was knocking doors for Obama. When I was seven years old, there was lack of information for me. I thought that John McCain's running with Tina Fey because I had seen on the news that Tina Fey was Maitland and I wasn't able to put two and two together, but. I always cared because I always thought that I always wanted more from the country. I was a Bobby Kennedy fanatic for a while because I like people who look at the future. And that's really what gave me the progressive mindset is I'm not opposed to conservative us, but I think that a lot of conservatism will have people thinking more of using the past past as a model as opposed to a springboard. I think there's always somewhere we can go. I think everything can be better and that was always my mindset. So it was always very vocal, very loud, very obnoxious, very flippantly rude. And I found theater which was really away from me to take my voice in and hone it and find something I cared about. So I started doing plays and musicals. I sounded like crap, and I sang a lot and and and it helped me a lot. He'll be become expressive. It only empathize with people. I mean, did you ever do plays nice school or anything? I didn't know. It wasn't all boys schools wasn't that much. We can watch you. Well, well, acting helps you understand other people a lot because you have to put yourself in other people's shoes. Sometimes it's easy and people can just redistribute and and become someone else. But I, I took a lot more from you. I, I very often played a bad guy which didn't really help me played that you familiar with little shop before I was the dentist, and there's not a lot of humanity you can search for. It's hard to put yourself in the shoes of somebody who is a psychopath. But you know, I, I obviously that would be hard for me, but. But I, you know, I developed a deep empathy for my fellow human being that I, that drove me very two, very passionate and emotional stance. Then my school gets shot up and I say, okay, I've heard of sandy hook I've heard of combine. I've heard all these things and when you're in a room and you hear about those schools, everything gets silent everything. It's awkward, everything gets melancholy. I can't have that. When I when people hear Stillman Douglas, I don't want them to think about people crying. I want them to think about people taking action no matter what that action might be. So take me through that day. What exactly was that daylight for you? So before the shooting I was in my drama class, we were halfway through a song that I was doing again, I sounded hot garbage, but I remembered the special needs kids in my school are let out a half hour before everybody else because they're picked up at the bus loop and they have to be picked up before the buses come. So on days riot school, my mother was at work. I picked up my brother and I brought up the drama. He loves it. He got attention from the girls. He felt like, you know, he felt like a cool guy which he is. And I, it was about two twenty and I was supposed to pick him up to ten. So I said, okay, I gotta go. I rush out of the drama room run over to pick up my brother because I have to be back from my song. And suddenly there's a fire alarm. I say, uh-huh. The buses are about to come and I'm with the special needs students, and we have to go in the bus leave to avoid the fire. You know, there are a lot of very high functioning students in the ESPN program. At someone Douglas, there are a lot of lower functioning students, but it's it's a hassle to get in the parking lot. And I was just like, okay, this is annoying, especially being outside of the classroom supposed to be in during a fire drill because then you have to tell the teacher, they have to walk the staff to make sure everybody's accounted for and while route they're waiting. This kid near me says shooter. I look at him and I say what that's not cool. That's not cool at all. I said something very inappropriate. You know if this reaches younger audience, I'm gonna voided, but suddenly everybody starts running back into the school, and there are teachers beckoning us inside and my initial thought is, okay. We're with the ESE class and several other classes, but we're with the ESE class. Is in the middle of the of the bus loop and there was a it must have been a fake fire drill, and the buses were about to come like everybody get inside. So you don't get hit by the buses then were sent into a classroom. The lights turn off and I say, someone's going on here took me a couple minutes to realize that there was there was gunfire. I heard conflicting rumors. They was massive was was hysteria in the room, but it was the type of hysteria where you are hysterical but still have to be quiet because you don't know where the gunman is. It could have been, you know, right, right next door to us, I had no idea. I didn't hear any gunfire. I thought I did, but when you know there's a shooter and you hear something, you think it's gunfire. It's natural and everybody was telling me conflicting stories, and this is just the people next to us. They were whispering. They said, fifty, people were killed. Two people were killed. This teacher was killed, wasn't that this person was the shooter, this person with the shooter, and I spent the whole time thinking. I really, really, really hope my brother doesn't understand what's going on. And that's a, that's a moral Quam. Do I tell him what's going on? Because he deserves the truth? Or do I allow him the ignorance of the the bliss of ignorance. For the time being. But there were also a lot of other special needs students there, and some of them were non verbal nonverbal. Disney Gandhi, MiG noise and some of them were yelling. Some of them were making loud shrieks and hollers, and fortunately, the special needs specialists have someone Douglas Rae able to keep everybody together. And it was a problem that was solved quickly, but we, we were able to be released. The swat team came in with first thing we saw was rifle and the glass cracks, and we thought we were toast. But the swat team came in, we run outside. I get picked up on my parents at a hotel a couple of hours later, and and then came a week of chaos, but also peace. All of the laws of physics didn't exist in parkland. It was as if the world had stopped there is this eerie calm, but also this fiery madness? It was. It was a time where I said in this in this lack of while nobody around us knows what's going on. I have to step up and say, here's what I think. I couldn't have the the the cameras game, and I couldn't have them come in film people, crying. I had to have them come and I had to have people saying in front of them and say, we cannot have this anymore. We demand a change. We are not parkland is not the city of people who are going to encourage you to join our melancholy. Parkland is the city of people who are going to encourage you to take action. If you could address about how the media treats these sorts of situations. Obviously, you know, I mean, the media does what the media do, which is they cover the news when it happens, but if you had your druthers emotionally just politically in every way, what would you what would you have the media do? How'd you have the media cover these sorts of situations? Well, it's double edged sword, because on the one hand, I was on national news while there were bodies that were still warm and people haven't been buried yet and that that at the time I didn't really think about it. But in retrospect it makes me question was that appropriate on the one hand, the cameras are going to leave, and I want to make sure the message that I believe is right gets across while the cameras are still there. On the other hand, people are dead. And, and I know I, I don't regret anything I did because I know that what I was doing I did because I believed it was right, and that's the best I can do. But in regards to how the media covers it, I think that the names of shooters should never be released. Daily wire covers that very well. I know that there are multiple pundits as well that do not name the shooters. I think that there's a that making the shooter celebrities is flippantly inappropriate. I think that I think that I was very often treated like an expert when I'm not. I'm not the expert, anything sin in the days immediately following. Obviously, there are a lot of cameras there. People are looking to you for comment. When did you and and the other members of March for our lives really start to consolidate into a group. Sure. So February fifteenth, we were all bit separated and it was sixteen two days after the shooting that I was able to kind of see who is ready to speak out and get them together. We all came to my house. I thought of doing a March in DC and Mike Ghostbusters pajamas in my bathroom. And, and I, I said, okay, every the whole nation. In one way or another has galvanized right now, what can we do? How can we materialize this? And I said, let's get everyone to DC and let's demanded change. So quickly. The team started to grow more and more people became part all my friends from Douglas. I knew where well-spoken, an eloquent joined. Some people just showed up at my house and some of them ended up becoming very passionate and well-spoken advocates for what we were advocating for. But it was by what I would call February nineteenth. Our team was together so that the tactics they are lives us Kim under a lot of Chris criticism, including from people like me because obviously at the very beginning, particularly there is a lot of focus on some of the stuff you talked about earlier. There's an implication those put out by particular members of the team. You know, in in public settings that if there is a disagreement about politics, that this is a reflection of lack of care about what had happened, I'm what do you think could have been done to to mitigate against that? To be honest with you on that was mean a lot of that was meantime, my friend. Ends. You know, these people don't agree with us. They don't care. They are more about their guns than the care about kids getting killed. Anything all criticize about March for lives really comes from me. I started it. I was my. I was whispering in my friends years all time. I know I know the people in March for our lives on them pretty much like the back of my hand. And I know that these are people who really just want the world to be a better place and a lot of our heirs and messaging, particularly if you don't like us, you don't care came from me and I believed it. And I believe that until relatively recently, I'm embarrassed certainly, but I'm also I'm, I'm not losing sleep over it because I believed it. What do you think change that for you? I mean, you talked about being in Texas, but obviously the the for those of us who are watching from far the first time that I saw you on TV I think was probably during these CNN townhall event, which was obviously got huge ratings was was big television event at criticized. Jake tapper for it because I suggested that the media really should if they want to have a discussion, the issues they should do discussion of the issues as opposed to sort of an emotionally driven event. What changed from from there to where you are now, which is somebody who wants to have discussions based on the issues? I think I I reached out forbid, I'm I can tell you the exact catalyst. There wasn't really a moment where it clicked on me that I need to start opening these conversations, but I realized look the the left's never going to get rid of the right the rights never going to get rid of the left. They certainly evolved the party's change over time, but there's as long as we have a binary system. It's a binary system and and half the country doesn't want the world to be a bad place. I thought that I thought that half the country, the Republicans were real. I think that there are some great people on the right and left are are both lovely and people on the right and left are both awful. I don't wanna say there's very fine people on both sides that has been used in ways I can never accept, but I learned that that there's a such a, that we're all people. I mean, I I said this yesterday a lot of people were politicizing nine, eleven and and I said, look, remains today. And I learned that overall, we're Americans and we have, there's a creed is a a national understanding that we need to be a better place in right now, looking back, it didn't. It didn't used to be like this. I think this is been a long time coming. I think right now are sociopolitical fabric is not only bad because of Trump. I think Trump doesn't do anything good for it. I think Trump is too focused on owning the libs and not uniting the country, but this is this. We've earned this. We America's a whole is responsible for this division and we need to come together. Okay. 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So we obviously you said you were the driving force when it came to some of the emotional response to what had happened now that you've kind of moved toward trying to pursue a conversation, something I noticed early with you by the way on Twitter. I remember you and I had an exchange on Twitter and it was actually relatively cordial. You said something I responded and. Chicago adding. That's right, exactly. Gun violence being tied Indiana? Exactly. And so we just kinda went back and forth on that. And then you made some comments and I liked them and I said, this is good what you're doing here and and I thought this is somebody who's actually considering you know how to how to go about making the country better place. Why do you think that you had to break for March for our lives? Why not stick around and try and change the thing from the inside, for example? Well, at the end of the day, March for our lives is advocating for things that I'm currently not advocating for. Now I wanna policy stance. I agree with March for our lives almost entirely, and they are currently involved with advocating for policy change. They're involved with raising awareness about gun violence and parts of the country that are very often forgotten. And I have tremendous amount of respect for that, and I'm proud of my friends. Truly, I believe that my friends are great people who really want the country to be a better place and I'm proud to to your to the future proud to help. But right now I'm focused more on social things. I'm focused more on the fact that we all have that family number. That's why we can talk about Trump at thanksgiving and. I think that we need to statement is these conversations March for our lives is is advocating for policy. I'm advocating for for conversation so I couldn't be connected to March for our lives when I was so focused on other things, it was bad from our lives. It was bad for me. I'm proud of my friends. I've always will be and I'm doing something else, so, well, what are the conversations that you're trying to pursue? Obviously you're here. So this is part of the conversation. We'll talk policy and a little bit, but what are the other kinds of conversations you're trying to pursue in Harry going about doing that? I think the the strangely enough, the conversation that needs to be pursued. The conversation about conversations is the fact that you know if I'm speaking to somebody who does not share my views on abortion that does not mean that they are. They wanted to kill babies. They want to oppress women. I think that if I'm talking to somebody about the Israel-Palestine issue and they one side of the issue doesn't it doesn't hate Jews. And one side of the issue doesn't hate Palestinians. I think that we need to stop it you. You said this to me before we need to stop the left and the right need to stop attacking each other's worst arguments. I think that's a big problem. So I'm I'm here to say we'll where can not even where can we agree, but how can we approach this respectfully? So you see your progressive on politics before your progressive on politics now. So what is your stance on gun control? I think that no citizen of this country needs to have an semiautomatic rifle. I also think that when I'm gonna dealt, I will get a concealed carry permit. And if you try to hurt my family, I'm gonna hurt you. Okay. So what do you think is the difference between? I don't mean to grill young politics, but. But what? What do you think is the difference between a handgun Anna, Anna semiautomatic rifle in this context? I think that if you look at the situation we've had in this country where people have used semi automatic rifles for mass shootings, we see that a lot of it having some atomatic rifle will make people feel empowered. And I know that you know, as as you would say, facts, don't care about your feelings and the facts will suggest other things. But I think that if somebody is attacking me, well, a semiautomatic rifle has longer range. I think that the that the risk of being attacked by some. Farther range, as opposed to having a semiautomatic handgun is not as great as the reward of not allowing people to buy these rifles. I think that from a logical standpoint, there's evidence that shows that people with these kinds of weapons, feel more powerful. If you look at the psychological analyses of many mass shooters that it's it's a lot. There's a lot of entitlement. There's a lot of an attempt to be known in the tempt to feel large and powerful. And I feel like a large and powerful gun can frequently can frequently make people feel that. I also think that the shooting in Las Vegas could not have been done with anything about an air fifteen. I know the shooter used the bump stock, but if that person only had semi automatic handguns and was firing from that distance than wouldn't, it wouldn't be as affecting. Now I understand that that is very often treated as an anomaly. It's very often treated as an outlier when we discussed the issues with these shootings. But I think that as long as another one of these can happen, which right now at can we need to address the issue as it is or how much of the problem do you think is the instrument, and how much is it the people considering that they're, you know, a hundred two hundred million right. Bills in circulation. The United States probably one hundred million hand guns in circulation. The United States is basically a gun per person in the United States in barring a full-scale confiscation of rifles. How would you propose to achieve this? I think that the way I look at it is a lot of attacks, whether it be suicide or shooting, and this is why very often advocate for red flag laws. Even though some people argue there, unconstitutional. I think a lot of these things are reactionary. I think that a lot of mass shooters will be able to find a weapon on the black market or illegally, and a lot of them if they are for if they are, if it takes more time and if they have to go through the process will not be as quick to do it. I watched the video I, I don't know why I did, but I watched the videos the my shooter put out. And in he, he said, you know who I am and that reflects to me somebody who wants to feel powerful who has and if you, I watched it really everything hours videos on him, which I don't know why I did. I like to think of it as people can look away from a car accident. And I, I saw her flex. Of a desire to choose to be powerful. I, I have said several times, but I think that it's something we need to address. I think that between facts and feelings, there's logic and we have to apply. We have to look at the facts and also apply or insight, but wh, why not start with sort of the most localized solution? So a lot of these solutions that you're talking about in terms of gun control our blanket solutions that affect literally hundreds of millions of people. Whereas for example, in the parkland case, it's pretty obvious that the Broward County sheriff's office was engaged in massive malfeasance at the very least at the very least, yes. And the school board wasn't very good either right to say the very least I believe that there are many changes they can be made on a local level and I then began to advocate for them. I think that school safety is important to focus on. I also think some aspects of school safety are dangerous. For example, I think metal detectors are are not safe. I think that you you've been to an airport. There are long lines around metal detectors and getting everybody in one place makes them just as shootings. That's my similarly, my issue with single entry points. I, I know for a fact that. Still that the Broward school board had hundreds of millions of dollars that were allotted for school safety that are completely missing. And my friend, Kenneth Preston actually covers this and a lot of his investigative journalism. He's fantastic and and there there was foul play. I'm consistently openly critical of SuperNet Runcie I will really, I will sleep so much more comfortably at night. The second he's gone sheriff. Israel has I. I was initially on his side not because I, I knew him. That was really why I met him. A couple of times seemed like a nice guy, but as time went on, I realized this is horrible. Now what Broward sheriff and Broward school boards should have done was say, we messed up. We messed up owning up to it. Here's how we messed up. Here's what we're going to do better. I would give them a bit of credit for that because I think that owning up to your mistakes is very important. That being said, I think that. I think that instead of doing that, well, I know for a fact instead of doing that, they then went out and we're touting how great of a school year it was Donna corn who ran against Mr. petty. The father of one of the victims at our school said it was an amazing school year. You don't say that when the school gets shot up, you don't the end and it wasn't a music school year. I know for a fact still in Douglas, ran out of printer paper for awhile, and we had us legal now is that is that prime against humanity? No. But prior to school board has a slew of issues that they simply refuse to own up to. I've made a lot of mistakes in my life and I, it's been a pretty short one. I think I've made a bit too many for long. I've been around, we all, but all on up to them. I've said some dumb stuff. I'll tell you that it was dumb, but right now, the school board in the sheriff, like you have said they are not holding themselves accountable. They are not auditing themselves. There are so many things that they could do to bring some sort of Justice here. I wouldn't even say Justice to do something, and they're not. So you have to create a proportional relationship between what you believe in. If you believe in. More gun rights than that's your own company. And we could talk about that if you believe in gun control. Remember that at the end of the day, I I'm a gun control advocate, but I know guns don't kill people. People kill people at the thing is people very frequently kill each other with guns. No question but let let's let's talk a little bit about the the. You talk about the tenor of the conversation on the contents of the conversation. It seems to me one of the areas where there could be crossover is that the the tenor of the conversation is generated by the content, meaning that when we immediately in the aftermath of a shooting like this, jump to our are set beginning points and that this happens on Twitter very quickly right there ever as soon as there's mass shooting. One half of the people on Twitter jumped to, let's take all the guns. Let's ban rifles, let's let's take heavy gun control action. And the other side jumped to it was a, it was a safety zone. It was a, no, it was a gun free zone. Let's let we can't do anything. There are certain areas where their agreement and what's weird is that it seems like it's almost impossible to to even have conversations about the series of grim because both sides are making hay off of the areas where we disa-. Agree. So for example, we agree on the actions that the school board should've taken. We I'm sure we do agree on how the media should be treating the names of shooters because it's absurd to glorify shooters in repeat their names publicly as why we don't do it at daily wire. These are area. But instead there was a jump immediately by the media which I think frankly used you guys as props to push an agenda that they agree with. I think the CNN agrees with the agenda that March lives is pushing in. So they started to push that in a way that they wouldn't have after. For example, the mass shooting at a church in Texas where a bunch of the people who were there were members of the NRA the the guy shot the shooter was a member of the NRA d. Do you feel that the media's bias on these issues contributes to lack of understanding? I feel like the media's bias on every issue contributes to lack of understanding. I don't think I think they're very few publications out there that that are straightforward about their bias. I think that for example, I'm very respectful towards MSNBC because MSNBC's liberal news network you have to tells you was a liberal news network. Fox News, got rid of fair and balanced. You can give them. Reddit for that. See the wires, conservative publication that does not pretend it's not a conservative publication, and I think that as long as people are straightforward with what they're saying and don't try to, you know, throw in hasty generalizations, don't try to throw in any any bias that's not admitted we can. We can do some good things here. I think if people report on the news I'm trying, I'm trying to think of the best way to say it. If people report on the events and not their interpretation, they leave the interpretation up to you. We would have a much better more understanding society. So it's amazing to watch with with folks like you and and I'm from Cal cash. Another student at the school I is that it seems like there there are a lot of people who are honestly seeking more information, people who are going through in intellectual journey. Obviously, you're going through that intellectual and emotional journey, and I have a ton of respect for that because the minute minute that journey stops you stop being human being. Well, I think that you, Kyle, for example, he's somebody that I have a deep understanding for KYW. Kyle represents in not in his own way, but for what what was done with him. A bit of a biography. If you asked me, I think that a lot of people went out and said, here's the left parading these kids around, and then the NRA found a student from stoneman Douglas who was pro gun and said, look at this kid who's pro gun from Stillman Douglas. Well, there's no question. I mean, I, I was one of the people pushing Kyle. So I and I will be admit it will be open about the facts that what I was doing was essentially saying, look to say that there is a monolithic opinion at so Mendoza's is inaccurate. Here's a student who feels a different way and who actually, in my opinion was going out and trying to work with people on both sides of the aisle, at least legislatively and try me with as many people on both sides of the possible. It's why I'm pre- should've what you're doing. But yeah, I mean, this, this does raise a larger question of how do you think that we in the media should be treating people who are seventeen years old. And again, I was there. So I was syndicated calm when I was seven columnist when I was seventeen. But my own perspective when I was seventeen was that I better learn things fast because you're not seventeen forever and nobody's gonna pay attention to you just for your age. Sure. I have a question for you. Sure. I see. I, I saw an article of yours I that was here's a list of all the dumbest things. I've said, yeah, of all. What someone you said? Seven team that you are not a fan of our t. I wrote a piece when I was eighteen talking about enemies civilian casualties. We'll the saying, essentially that I had very little care about them because I was more interested in protecting the American soldiers. The piece was really badly phrased. It's a bad piece. There's a piece that I wrote on Israel and Palestinians when I was nineteen. I believe I would say that most of the stuff that I've said that was bad that the ratio of me saying stupid stuff to not stupid stuff was much higher when I was younger and then gradually over time, you hope to get better at it obviously. But, yeah, I mean, they're a bunch of columns that I wrote when I was eighteen nineteen twenty years old that that I just think are not very good and I've openly stated. I don't think that they're very good. There's one from two thousand six when I was twenty two that about the the use of espionage to prosecute people, sedition law to prosecute people that I think is in idiotic column, you know, I, I was been writing million words years since I was seventeen years old. So. There's a lot there. There's a lot. There's a lot of stupid crap I've written and that's why I have a lot of sympathy for what you're going through, and it's hard to do it in public. I mean, it's hard to do it in public knowing that everything's going to get picked apart too. I mean, I'm sure I'll say things right now that I'm incredibly proud of that. I'm one, I'm thirty four. We'll say I'm full of crap for no interested in seeing that day. Yeah. Well, I mean, I think that that's the journey that we all go through and it's it's it's interesting and fun to watch people who are actually trying to go through that journey as opposed to sort of battening down the hatches and being in that box on ask you some more about that or your sources of information are in just a second. But first, let's talk about your hiring process. So Hieron used to be hard multiple job sites, stacks of resumes, confusing review process. But today, heaven can be easy. You only have to go to one place to get it done. ZipRecruiter dot com. Slash Ben guest. ZipRecruiter sends it your job to over one hundred of the web's leading job boards, but they don't stop there with their powerful matching technology, ZipRecruiter scans, thousands of resumes to find people with the right experience and invite them to apply to your job as applications come in. ZipRecruiter analyzes each and everyone in spotlights the top candidates. So you never miss a great match. 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What sources of information do you do you look at and how do you, how do you gather that information and then sift through it because shirt, I read everything from CNN to Fox News today, the wire, the young Turks. I tried to read everything because I think that there are common themes in everything that's presented. I think that I can get the story from everything. Presented, and I will pick out the bias and everything this presented and assess my principles and see what I think about it. I really don't like identifying with a party. I think that like George Washington said, the parties are a bunch of garbage. I, I vote for people now the people I, I haven't voted, but I will vote. Matter of fact, I turned eighteen six days after the election this year. But the point is I vote for people. Now the people vote for normally Democrats, but I also see flaws on both ends. So I'm I'm really genuinely willing to vote for somebody on either side of the aisle. Okay. So it was, what are your central principles just politically speaking, politically speaking? I think that the way I see it is very often the Republican platform is based off of modeling decisions off the past and the rights of the individual. Whereas I think that the democratic platform is basically modeling our decisions on what we want the future to be and the rights of the people as a whole. And I think there are strengthened both and flaws in both. I think that Republican. Views of the rights of the individual can lead to a lack of understanding for certain groups of people. Whereas I think that the democratic views of the rights of the people will vary often be difficult for individuals. It's it's it's a double edged sword. It really is the both sides have said this before both sides have some amazing public servants and both sides have some really crappy ones Fisher or I mean the way that that you know, I tend to think about politics is that the role of government is not necessarily the way I want society to run, meaning that as somebody who's a religious Jew, for example, I believe a lot of things about how people should act. I don't think the government should get involved in nearly any of it because I don't think it's my place to basically tell people what to do as a whole, what that means that I do require a strong social fabric, and it seems to me like one of the things you're trying to do is build up a strong social fabric. I'm going to try and convert you to be a conservative right here by basically saying that government is a secondary priority when it comes to creating better communities when it comes to ensure communities are safer and smarter and better. Most of that can be done through conversations between individuals who don't feel like the government is. Trying to force a particular perspective or trying to get into anybody's pocket or force anything from about the minute. One side uses force things get really ugly. I think one of the reasons that we've seen such polarization our politics is because people on both sides of the government to solve all the problems. If there's a hurricane, the Washington Post says, is Trump fault. And if the economy is great, the right says that's from that's from benefit and in it feels to me like none of this is real. The reality is most of the relationships we have with other folks are relationships. We do have one on one or in the context of a community that we share together, and that doesn't require necessarily legislative input or guys with guns coming your front door and trying to force you to do things. Sure. We'll, I'm an offer you my to send Shorto plays the end of this. You're going to be a staunch liberal. Okay. Let's make it happen to this to a rightist. By the way, I'm I'm very, I'm very thirsty right now. My lips are very dry, but I can't go on. If you give me one of those Alex Jones tears, and it's pictures of Alex Jones. You know, it's an intellectual property issue. We'll talk about that. But so I was in Chicago forbid, and Chicago, I think, is a strong example of the ways that that liberal idealism has failed in the ways that liberal idealism needs to be there. And I'll explain. So I I was when I say I was in Chicago, I was not visiting the bean. I was Nangle would I was in one of the most violent neighborhoods in the country, and I was there with a lot of young people who live in Chicago and who have lost family members. Almost every friend I haven't. Chicago has directly lost at least one family member to to gun violence, and we're as somebody who does reasons disagrees, violence utilizing gun? Yes. And I saw I saw some interesting things. I saw the negative results of gender fixation, which I believe can sometimes positive, sometimes be very negative. And I also saw the need for opportunity now, JR. My general view is the reason I is liberal is in this country to be successful. You need to pull up your boot straps, but not everybody has access to the boots. And I think that things need to be done in neighborhoods like Chicago, where there are a lot of cultural issues, but there are also a lot of issues that can't really be solved by fixing the culture. There people in neighborhoods there that have been pushed out of other neighborhoods, the south and west side have very little access to healthy food. I know a friend who has to walk almost six miles every day to get food. That is very often either expired or very unhealthy. And that leads to a lot of obesity which limit certain job opportunities. I've seen a lot of people who are on welfare and abuse it, and a lot of people who are on welfare and can't get a job. I think that there are certain things that can be done to you to have the government aid. These. People. And I think there are certain ways that government aid has failed these people. So it's it's really something that I need to take an econ class or a finance class or any of those to really fully understand. But through my is the government, as long as we are such a strong country, as long as we are a country that should really be serving as a beacon for the rest of the world, not just morally, but really in in every sense. I think that there are things we can do to help people out. So this is it. This is one area where when I was seventeen years old, I can say safely. I've gotten more libertarian since I was seventeen years old. I wrote a book when I was twenty about these social liberalism inherent in kind of the in in the movement of American politics. And I talked to Pacific about the power of government to help control what I thought was the dynamic of pornography that I thought was swamping young men, which it basically has I and one of the things that I suggested that government could be involved in helping to stop this. And over time I've become less sanguine about the possibility of government specifically because when you see people who disagree with run the government, what you realize and this is something again that you may realize as you get older because I realized it as I got. Older when you're seventeen you look at the adults and you think they must know what they're doing and then once you and then once you hit about twenty five and you look around, you realize they're the same people. You went to school with you. Realize everybody's kinda dumb and young people are domino people are dumb, everybody's kind of dumb, and that means that dumb people in charge of a bunch of power do dumb things, and no matter how much they think they're helping. They generally are not to leave me alone as I could spend on you bid in what I believe is a fair way short in libertarian views. Those dumb people can also press the new buttons. Well, I mean the the you mean as far as the there has to be a collective defense? Yes, right. I mean, there there has to well, I mean, they're in the rarest of circumstances. You do have to have the ability to collectively mobilized to protect your life for example. And so having an army that's available to fight off terrorists is is one thing. And I think that there's generally wide agreement, at least in the constitutional structure on one you can go to war, which is why I'm very much in favor of the idea that congress should be declaring war, not the president, unilaterally declaring War. I don't think the president should really be able to just push button and. Hit somebody in Syria with missile. I think that congress should have to declare war for that to happen. The way the constitution was structured was to create all sorts of gridlock. So that only an overwhelming majority of people could get anything done, and that was supposed to help sift out a lot of the problem. Ours is really the only constitution that serves to protect the people from the government as opposed to the government from the exactly and to protect my entrenched minorities against against the tyranny of the majority is they talk about in federal fifty one. And with that said, yet, defense is one area where the congress was supposed to declare war now is an area where where required, you know a fair bit of pushing in order to make that happen. And you know there's certain roles of government that cannot be done anywhere else. Basically defense is a public good, but some of the stuff that you're talking about, I'm not sure as a public good and not only that, I'm not sure the government is very good at it. Basically, government is good at breaking things I think. And so if we have to break something abroad than government is quite good at that, if we have to break something at home, all you have to just put government in charge of it. Sure. I think that I think there are benefits and and a lot of drawbacks too. Both small and big government. I think the government's too big. I think that a lot of people who want smaller government while the government to be too small. But I also think that in defense of a big government, I'm not a big government guy necessarily, but in defense of the concept, the more people are involved with government. The more you can use the system against itself if you need to explain that. So basically the government overstep is is a problem government. We've seen it fail other countries, but I think that discussing other countries is occasionally used in a double standard because if I'm talking about gun control in another country, they'll say, well, we can't talk about other countries, but if I talk about but then they'll say, look at mouse dung. You know, I think that we need to create a more respectful dialogue around basing our own ideas of other kinds of the comparison. Lawrence, yes, yes. So I think that having a big government allows more people to get involved with the government and allows more people to be part of it. And I think that the more people that are part of the government, the more representation there is the fairer a lot of people are treated. I mean, I, it's how it's feel about a lot of police officer. In neighborhoods in areas like Chicago in areas like Milwaukee, the deal with a lot of gun violence, and there's also some turmoil between the people in the area and the police. I believe that most neighborhoods should be policed by people who live there and I like to kind of apply that to the government. The idea of having a neighborhood police by people who live there are they understand the community, they understand how the community works. You can create a dialogue and respect between the people and the police. My father's a reserve police officer. I'm I have some. Yeah, I, I respect the idea of the police a lot. The far too many respect too much far too. Many people don't respect stuff, but I treat that the way the government. I think the more people who are involved, the more representation we can have in the more ideas can have a voice in case. Let's talk a little bit about your perspective on on secondment issues in terms of you talk about kind of making better arguments. Let's let's steal minute, so you you get to play for a second. So you get to be the guy who makes the case for the second. What do you think is the strongest case for the second amendment for the second amendment? I. I think that if the government becomes evil, you got overthrown. I think that's the general. I also think that the individual has the right to protect themself. My the my where we differ on the second amendment is how far that should extend. Like for example, I've question for you. How do you feel about the national firearms act of nineteen thirty? Something? I don't have a problem with that long machine guns in nineteen thirty four yet either. Okay. I don't think people in the countries should be able to carry RPG's around. And the question is, does do semiautomatic rifles like they are fifteen? Should they fall into the category of things like RPG's or should they fall into the categories of things like handguns? Rattler the that's the real question is whether they should fall into the category of things like muskets, which is which is what this second members originally meant. Exactly back when the second one was ridden you, which is a rifle, you could shoot a bullet and I could. I could take you down before you can reload, and that's fine because you know, a lot of people say that the reason the second was ridden is because they want the citizens to be armed with the way the military is. That's a problem for me because I can get. Groaned pretty hard. Right. Well, at least at least to the extent that you have the capacity to defend yourself against government here in and you can't do it with handguns alone. Yes. You said it about fascism. You said that the government will come to your door and at the end of the day, the point a gun even telling you to do something well, that's right. And so there's too many examples of the government doing that with regard to basic rights that we would all consider basic rights in various countries around the world that the possibility, one of the things that deters the possibility of the government overstepping its bounds of the knowledge that if they do then things go wrong at the very least it will be a bloody battle. I mean, this is why Texans aren't particularly afraid of mass gun confiscation because the government would never attempt to mask on confiscation and Texas things would go wildly wrong. Even they tried gun confiscation gun turns. It turns in Australia, they only got one, third, the weapons, so weapons are still vailable in Australia. One of the big problems that I have, I guess what with the with the arguments in favor of gun control is that very often they're predicated on a version of what I wished the government could do as opposed to what the government has actually proven itself capable of doing and. Balancing that with whatever right is at stake. And this I think holds true for my general perspective on politics, which is the government, what has the government proved itself competent at Mercer. And I think that one of the things I can use to defend my stance on it is Trump's running the government right now, and I think that certain gun should be regulated by the government. I don't think Trump can regulate his own mouth. So the question is, should the government be regulating weapons when people like that can be elected the way to fix these issues is to put people in office who know are going to be morally just now that is very subjective term. And that could very often be interpreted different ways. But I think the way we we agree, we figure out just how far the government can go. Here is say, what else is regulated? I mean, I need to take a driver's test drive a car. Now I, I don't like the car because cars existed. Take you from point a to point b as opposed to put a bullet in somebody, but it is the government regulating something that is in some way, an infringement upon certain people's rights. But constitutionally is. As I'm concerned, and I've only read the constitution, I think once and I've only I only read John Jay's federalist papers and he didn't attribute anything, but that was five, five. Technically, I believe that I have the constitutional right to drive whatever. Got him cry, please. Whatever age, as long as I'm not killing anybody. Well, let's take a new example. I think that it's incr- it's far too easy to buy a gun. I think that if the shooter at my school spent five minutes with specialist, they would have said you need a doctor not a gun now. That's basically did. Right. I mean, that's the, that's what. Them forty eight times and the shooter in Jacksonville that would try to shooting that occurred very recently. The gone almost no media attention, the shooter in Jacksonville. I believe the police were called and him twenty six times, but certainly more than twenty yet, which is why a Pasi that I've recently started to consider. I don't really know the legal terminology. I should use his creating something where if you get the police called on your fifteen times, you put under review to buy a weapon. Now that's unconstitutional. But the police are called you fifteen times. I think something's going on with you. Well, it's it's not necessarily unconstitutional in the sense that David French proposed this national reviews, and I support this proposal. The idea of a friend or family member being able to preemptively go to a court and petition to have your second amendment right taken away on the basis that you're danger to yourself or others that is that's not unconstitutional and would probably be upheld under under judicial review. I think that's that's a way to a way to talk about it on and talk more about this because this is fun. And it's interesting to get your perspective as a young person, and we'll talk about like where you hope politics is going to be in twenty years, and also what you. Think you could tell other seventeen year olds about getting involved in politics, should they do it? Should they not? We'll get to all that in a second. But first, let's talk about your sleep quality. There is nobody on the planet like you. So why would you buy generic mattress built for somebody else? Helixsleep built a sleep quiz that takes two minutes to complete. 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It came in the mail. After we took the quiz, we unwrapped it. Inflated right in front of us, we tossed it on the bed frame. We were good to go. It is so good. We got one for my sister for her wedding as well. That's how good these things are helixsleep dot com slash Ben guess for one hundred and twenty five bucks off your mattress order. Okay. So let's talk a little bit about the politicians that you do like you're looking up at twenty twenty. You're actually gonna get to vote in two thousand twenty, which is very exciting. So so which politicians I assume you're not gonna vote for President Trump. So which politician on the left side of the aisle is most appealing to you as a as a seventeen year old guys eighteen year old guy? Sure. I love bet. Dork I understand that a lot of people are going to live because you've his DUI in his history as as a punk rock person. But I look at what he proposes in taxes. I look at his ability to communicate with people and at the end of the day, I think that this guy wants to serve his country and I'm seeing less and less those every day. So I'm not one hundred percent with him on policy. I, I can't say exactly what yet because I'm still really working on figuring out his platform and what I believe it truly is. But I, I've, I believe the Beto wants the best for this country, and I believe that at the end of the day when push comes to shove, Ben will make the decision. He. Leaves is most effective for everyone in this country as opposed to just those who will praise him. I, I'm a big fan of people who are willing to piss off the people who like him if they think it's right. I mean a, I know a lot of people that I'm dear friends with who after coming on the show, we'll be upset with me for coming on the show, but I believe that conversations more important than in the short term making people happy. I think the bento is not about making people happy in the short term. And that's an example. I don't think he's going to run, I think even if he does beat Ted Cruz, he might not run. I'm not sure he'll be Ted Cruz democrat running for healthcare in Texas, but you could certainly say this, this campaign of his is incredibly impressive. One of the things that that's kind of fun about doing this particular episode of the show is it normally I'm the young guy on set, and now I get to play the the old guy onset, which is really fun. I and I, I'm, I'm getting the thrill that I that I only get normally when I speak to my own children because you're, you're literally young enough to be my son, which is insane. Literally. Pregnant, I'd have to be really productive at like seventeen years old, but it's that's crazy man. But one of the things that has occurred to me is that overtime I've spent enough time you spend a lot of time with politicians now because you've been talking with a lot of them. I've spent a lot of time with politicians, and I feel like I spend my life bursting people's bubbles about how politics works in what politics. Our politicians are idiots, man. I mean, like I'm just telling you now like as much as I'm sure that is a nice guy. Maybe you'll meet him and you'll be super impressed. Maybe already have met him in your super impressed. I can name on maybe two fingers people who have not disappointed me in politics over the last twenty years and people who have not disappointed me some politics, all yours. Boy. Now I'm trying to get to two fingers centrally from Utah is Michaeli okay from Utah is is a genuine guy and Nikki Haley the ambassador to the UN jer the those, those would be the to the come to mind. Everyone else pretty much everyone else's disappointed me in one way or another simply because politics is thirty rough game. And most of politics ends up in the end being about avoiding the solving of issues in order to pander for for votes. It's in many ways. My biggest problem with Senator Rubio now the town hall year familiar with my conversation with Rubio. I- incredibly inappropriately likened him to a school shooter. I'm embarrassed by that. I am credibly apologetic for it. I don't think it was right. I don't agree with pretty much anything Rubio says and a policy standpoint, but if I make a mistake, I own up to it and that was inappropriate. That being said, I think that he was getting out of that too easy. I think he was able to politician sidestep out of a lot of questions. A lot of people are, but he was doing it and I was pissed, and I said, this guy's not getting out of here without being exposed for the career politician. He is. Senator Rubio is a is a career politician. You've seen it. He ran for president. Yeah, I believe that I know where this guy's where the skies goals are. That being said, I treated him unfairly, you know, but I don't. I think that his policies have been negative for the state of Florida. I believe that he if he was president, he would be incredibly negative for the country, but this guy is not someone who murdered seventeen people, and that's, that's, that's that was a big whiff on my part and I get, why did it my so where where did she priorities? Because the fact is that you know Senator Rubio is is in a tea party Republican shine. That's my priorities. Are people who are more interested in doing what they think is best for the country and putting party aside. I think that part that someone who's clearly playing for their party as I've seen Senator Rubio do as I've seen pretty much everybody else do needs to get out. And I think that my generation where we were going to discuss the future here on, I'll tell you, I think my generation's going to do that. I think if my generation learns how to discuss things with each other, we're going to learn that. We, we've been failed. We have in many ways. We've been failed by politics before because politics became exactly what Washington Senate would Washington said. And I'm not a Washington fan. I think that anybody who owned slaves is I'm not going to be a fan of elect. The things they did that we're good. I will not like them as people because I think that slavery is immoral and I'm a big fan of Hamilton for his criticism of it, but do Washington said political parties. I don't want to try and quote him directly, but but they were the means by which people who were manipulative and evil would come into power. I think that there will be always be parties. I, I don't like group think, but as long as there's group think was trying to make positive group think but Rubio and and many others are examples of folks who are doing what they do so they can keep their friends happy's. They can maintain power if I believe that what I'm doing that pisses off my friends will make the world better place. I'll piss off my friends. I politician should be public servants should not be politicians. I mean, so I guess the question that I have made it, we can go for a while on on Washington and why I think that it's okay to call people heroes who. Were abiding by moral standard. That at the time was considered widely considered, not as bad as it is now, even though was evil at the time, obviously, and is evil. Now, I and we, we uphold people who do good things and we and we can criticize I, I actually believed that the definition of people as heroes and villains in history is very difficult. One. I think typically you have to judge people for who they are, and that's usually they do some good things and usually to do some bad things, but the stuff we like Washington four, he was a hero about in one of those things is the role of government. When when we talk about the Senator Rubio, you know, I, I don't want to get harsh with you, but, but you're casting aspersions what? What about Senator Rubio makes you cast aspersions at him as opposed to say, you know, better Rourke who obviously is is running inside a political party. He doesn't seem like somebody who's focused dramatically on reaching across the aisle. He's down the line person on the left. Where do you think that that Senator Rubio to take? Just that example since he took 'em. Sure. I is is more of a career politician than anybody else's in the Senator in the congress shirt, I believe. The best I can do is assess their behaviors in the past. And I believe that you'll see from his record and I've not fully done really vetting it. Not that vetting. It implies that I have some thority. I'm not really done looking through it, but Beto Rourke is somebody who applied do what he was doing to the current situation. I think that his views, I think that when people call politicians Schillt's and and evil for changing their perspectives over time, I think that's incredibly unfair because I am less impressed with somebody who has so statically believed the same thing for thirty years. You know, people criticize a lot of people for that people for their votes in the past. Think if they explain why it's it's fair to to give them credit for that. But I, I look at Senator Rubio look at his history and I see this garment for president. This guy has consistently been bring himself up and up and and I don't see connection to the people that that folks like Beto having better. Just an example, it's one of the things I respect about. Bobby Kennedy. Bobby Kennedy is either is loved by. Any hated by many. I think he's a little bit more loved than than is. Yeah. Yeah, but you know, Bobby Kennedy was a big conservative for awhile. A lot of people forget that he was or he was ordering the FBI to wiretap Martin Luther King junior. He was a big war hound before he instantly not instantly, but quickly changed against the war and it makes you think is this guy an opportunist, which some might call him, or is he somebody who changed his perspective? And that's, that's what I look at. I look at somebody who I think is willing to do what they think is best for the people. I don't think that to a work is first of all. I think that to work is a lot more classic of a liberal, and I'm more of a classical liberal than what a lot of people on the, I don't like saying the left or the right too much, but a lot of people on the left are becoming. And I, I believe that Betto is a moderate guy who's willing to work with people as opposed to just try and completely rewrite the book. I don't want to rewrite the book. I want to raise the stuff that's bad, and I think that Rubio is is out there just doing what he thinks will make Republicans happiest. Okay. So I have one more question for you. And the question is going to be about. About what you think you can learn from the older generations do criticize people who are older a lot in the past and here as well. What do you think we ought to keep from the older generation? What do you think we ought to? We gotta ditch, but if you want to hear Cameron Caskey's answer, you actually have to be a daily wire subscriber to subscribe over at daily wire, go to daily wire dot com. Click subscribe, and you can hear the end of our conversation there Bill Cameron. Thank you so much for stopping by. I think you're one of the good guys and even though we disagree on politics, I hope that we keep the conversation going into one things. I really appreciate about you at least trying to do that. Thanks for stopping by really appreciative. But right now, let's talk about. The Ben Shapiro show Sunday special was produced by Jonathan, hey, executive producer, Jeremy, boring, associate producers Mathis lover, and Austin Stevens edited by Aleksandar. Audio was missed by Mike. Her Amina Taryn makeup is by just while they're entitled graphics by Cynthia and Boola. The Ben Shapiro show Sunday special is a daily wire forward publishing production. Copyright Ford publishing twenty eighteen.

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A Year After Parkland

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A Year After Parkland

"Support for this NPR podcast and the following message. Come from NBC's new drama the enemy within Erica shepherd betrayed her country. Now, she's the FBI's only hope in stopping America's greatest enemy. But can she be trusted Mondays beginning February twenty fifth on NBC? This is one A. I'm Todd's will sitting in for Joshua Johnson. In Washington Columbine, Virginia Tech, sandy hook parkland Santa Fe high school mass shootings in schools are a nightmare. We've experienced on repeat in this country. Tomorrow Valentine's Day marks the anniversary of the shooting at Marjory stoneman Douglas high school in parkland, Florida that let's seventeen people dead some of the survivors of that traumatic event turned their morning into action. So curious what David Hogg one of the student leaders from that school said shortly after the shooting? I don't think we're superheroes. I think we're whatever American should be or people that are standing up and becoming politically active and our democracy in our own way. And I I think what we saw last week with that walkout has since we're walking out of school. But now they're going to walk into the polls when they're able to vote, and they're gonna vote these people out of office of the work of MS D students. Emma, kansallis David Hogg there. Cameron Caskey and many others marked a change for gun laws in our nation. Their activism struck a chord nationwide. According to a Gifford's Law Center study last year lawmakers in twenty seven states passed sixty seven new laws aimed at restricting gun access. We asked for your stories of turning trauma into activism. Here's some of what you left in our inbox, Debbie, and I'm calling from Virginia in may of twenty seventeen. My eighteen year old daughter was hit by a drunk driver. Head on on a beautiful Friday afternoon when they were coming home with the beach her best friend was killed and my daughter was lifeline to a level one trauma center with serious injuries, including a traumatic brain injury in the beginning. We were obviously fighting to get her back, and well and dealing with the legal issue now that those are done I have been able to focus on making something positive come out at a so I've become a local resources for other people with traumatic brain injuries. I've started a support group. And I'm in the process of writing a book to share a story and try to help other people. This is the best way for me to deal with this tragedy. It's to help others this stuff. So from Saint Petersburg, activism, definitely has a great impact in my opinion on traumatic experiences one way to channel anger sadness grief. Confusion and fear is through activists activism through active was what saved my life during the aids crisis from nineteen eighty seven to nineteen ninety one I felt nevermore exhilarating when I was storming the FDA and the NIH in Bethesda Maryland and in Washington to release drugs for people dying during the Reagan administration and Bush administration. Thanks for talking about these young students and their activism and thank you for sharing your stories with us. Joining me now to talk about the movement born out of the park land school tragedy is journalist and author. Dave Cohen, he wrote the book Columbine, and is now out with new book entitled parkland birth of a movement, Dave Cullen brings us close ups. Inning time with the families and those students affected by the parkland suit shooting he's often called upon to analyze school shootings because of his experience. Dave Cohen, thanks for being here. Thanks, thanks for having me. Well, Dave a lot of people are familiar with the students for Marjory stoneman. Douglas, high mentioned them in the movement that they started after their school was terrorized. A I want to start near where your book ends, which is the twenty eighteen midterms. The combination of a difficult and painful year of organizing and activism was twenty eighteen victory for the March for our lives students. Did they get results? Yes. It was a huge victory. It took it took a few days for that to sink in because expectations had run so sky high by November. The unthinkable. Maybe we'll flip the Senate to even though everybody said that was impossible because of the work of a map this year. And so it wasn't a complete miracle, but it was an incredible achievement. I can run up through a couple of things. They flip the house. Collectively flip the house forty seats. Which was about double the rosiest estimates. Democrats in the house races won the popular vote by eight point eight million votes, which was even more than the post Watergate landslide, which no one thought would ever happen. Again. There's so many different ways you can measure this turn out under thirty was crucial. Because that's who the March for lives kids targeted. It was a fifty percent. It was thirty one percent turnout this year versus twenty one percent in the previous mid term. It was the highest ever recorded for people under thirty right astronomical turn out for people under thirty. There's no doubt about it. There were so many other issues in the mid terms, of course, Donald Trump and his presidency investigations. We know all that stuff. You say in the book though, that in twenty eighteen people were finally voting on the issue of guns after try after try after try from gun activists. What's the evidence that in this election, people were actually going to the polls on that issue? Right. That is crucial and first of all understand the setup. Asymmetrical voting is what really had stymied this movement and allowed a tiny minority to overwhelm the majority for a generation very small pro gun side because. Robert Spitzer is an expert on that says anywhere from five to ten percent of people normally vote on guns, very few people, and almost all of those gun owners pro pro gun people voting. So it's completely offset by anything on the other side. So even a small number on the other side of setting that would be a victory because then representatives would vote the majority the and gets got so much better than that for the first time ever gun safety registered on the exit polls it came in fourth the head of global warming almost everything fourth is just no one was expecting to come in fourth. I mean, it'd never registered before. And of those people sixty percent said they were favoring gun safety this time, which is complete reversal seen before. And even this is a stunning forty two percent of gun owners said they were pro gun safety, which this not a majority yet. Although it's it's close because there's a lot of undecideds in there. But. Forty two percent. That's a massive fed as on heard of even in gun country. There's now about half of the gun country. People are finally coming to the table and saying we need to do something. We're ready to compromise with you. Let's make some kind of deal. So that's some evidence of a fundamental real sort of political metrics that you point out. And then that leads to the to the question that gets back to how the students organized in got started a what get how'd you get there? I mean, what was fundamentally different about parkland different from Columbine sandyhook Paducah, I could go on. And fortunately with the list there was a movement after sandy hook it ultimately failed on the legislative front at least in the Senate. But there was something different in the aftermath of parkland. What was it? Well, there are a whole lot of different things. It was kind of a perfect storm. But the number one that I would start with well timing was crucial. But really the biggest thing was the messenger. We did not realize after. Each of the tra- biggest tragedies on the most horrible after Columbine Virginia Tech and Newtown each time. We felt something has to change Newtown was the one that was really gonna put us over the top. It was so horrifying for those little kids six year olds. And we thought that doesn't change it nothing. Well, we didn't understand was it wasn't about the degree of the horror because we were shocked horrified by all these we needed the right messenger. So after after Newtown, we thought Barack Obama was the best messenger. The most powerful key was once in a generation person. He made it a focal point of his state of the union address. He made a big push avert. The you know half the country was behind didn't work that was the wrong guy. And first of all probably couldn't have been any politician because we're we're locked in. This off them, you know, red blue we just choose sides so half the country is going. To be immediately against your side. But also, I think politicians are no longer really are our leaders in what we really needed after sandy hook was also the parents of the kids speaking out. And and of course, we thought that's great spokespeople. This is incredibly powerful person. Someone who lost a kid? You know, what adults can never be the spokes people what we needed was this is horrifying for me to say these words, but we needed to target when we see David hog or Gonzalez or any of these other kids, we don't just see a kid who escaped with their lives. We see the face of future victims and everybody was a kid in school everyone. I'm not a Deb nieces and nephews, and I work with so many kids. Everybody's got a sibling friends that cares about kids. They see another kid who's going to die. And when when Jackie and David and Emma and Cameron all these people speak to us. We know they're speaking the truth, and we see the future victims, and they're going to die people like them are going. We've allowed people like them to die for twenty years and done nothing, and that's powerful and the truth hurts, and we realize we've been kind of despicable, and we have left these kids down in that never happened before. So the right messenger, really changed everything the right messenger. And in many cases, the right messenger with access not only to the media. But social media we're going to stick with us. And we're gonna get a little bit inside what it was like for the kids in the aftermath of the shooting when they organized, and when they reached out to others across the country to make their movement. Not just a movement of wealthy white kids in south Florida. But a movement of all students across America who don't wanna face violence anymore. Stick with this one. Support for this podcast and the following message. Come from legalzoom if you want to make twenty nineteen the year, you finally start a business or secure your family's future. Legalzoom can help with their network of independent attorneys. Licensed in all fifty states legalzoom can help you navigate your legal needs from wills and trusts to LLC's trademarks contract, reviews and more and the best part is legal zoom is not a law firm. So they don't charge by the hour. More at legalzoom dot com slash NPR castle mountain high is different from a lot of other high schools this student. He got shot four times to stay outside and like Hege bullets. He ought to go to my head. I'm Sam Sanders. One year after parkland, we talked to kids who faced gun violence every single day. Listen on it's been a minute from NPR. This is one A. I'm Todd's will sitting in for Joshua Johnson. Today. We're talking about the March for our lives movement and the activists who led the charge last year, Dave Cullen, you made the case at the top that we haven't advanced zero feet zero inches that the that the park land kids did make some progress even in their first election, but let's go back a little bit. Take me inside those very early hours in early days after the shooting. We all watched the horrific sort of aftermath from helicopter television cameras in cable news when news of the shooting broke on February fourteenth. And then in the hours afterward, David hog and Meghan solace and camera Caskey and others there bewildered, and they're traumatized understandable. And then then what what happens. Well, there was a quiet explosion of going on on social media that afternoon that evening where the the Park Lane. Kids were connecting with each other in realizing the sense of outrage, and what was what was going on? And that they were kind of formulating this idea of they needed to fight back this time and really rejecting that whole thoughts and prayers Bs and needed to do something and really three different kids set out on three different courses, which would be merged in a few days that they had no idea something the other because we're doing something completely different. So Jackie corn started organizing this trip to Tallahassee for to do something immediately within the first week to take busloads of kids to Tallahassee and confront the governor. And the state legislature. David Hogg was getting on TV and being the first person out of the box. Really starting this uprising on national television. And speaking out came in Kaski, did something really probably most important of all he was posting on social media and saying this is this has got to stop. This is unacceptable. I'm not sure what to do yet. None of them weren't sure had like the answers. But he said, I don't know what to do. I need help. Who will join me? Come join me figure this out. He went to bed, and he created he credited new profiles on all different social media and said contact me on any of these different places. He woke up in the morning. And his inboxes were full and people were showing up at his house. All these other kids with the same feeling like yes, we need to do something. I don't know what to do either. He organized the team and within two days. He had two dozen kids in his living room. Figuring this out Jackie what his house was that. This house. David was a house Emma Gonzalez who know new was about to blow up as massive star a day later a Saturday. The team was there. They were working out figuring out together on Saturday. Emma, gave that we call ES speech, which just electrified America, all Americans like, okay, we're ready something's going to happen. So they they joined forces with different ideas, and different approaches and different talents. And then they were off to the racist. We got a tweet from mystic warrior in Alexandria, Virginia. Who said are there examples of similarly inspired conservative activism, less affluent inner? City kids have been speaking out for decades. Where is the media coverage of that? And Dave that goes right into something important in the early days of this movement that that I wanted you to speak on because you talk about in your book, how parkland students realized pretty quickly in this early sort of embryo stage of their movement that their situation wasn't like the violence that many other kids in other environments experience every single day, and I wanna play a clip from one of the student activists that you followed. This is Jacqueline corn. You mentioned her in a speech that she gave at the March for lives March in Washington last March is the heart of this movement. But just as a heart needs blood. Pump. My hometown needs the alliance of other communities to properly spread this message, we openly recognized that we are privileged individuals and would not have received as much attention. If it weren't for the affluence of our city. Because of that. However, we stared the siege today and forever with those who have always stared down the barrel of a gun. Dave Cullen you write in the book. And I'm quoting here. It became clear quickly that suburban students feared violence inside their school once in a lifetime, but horrific and that other kids feared violence getting there at the bus stop on their porch walking out of church it could happen anywhere. And it did. And this is a sentiment that you write about driving the parkland kids to reach out and linkup with kids in other communities, and it was really important for them. I think as adults don't realize quite how tuned high school kids today are when they were watching all the previous horrors these other shows, they were already irritated and frustrated and kind of sick. And that the media went up dick about people like them getting attacked, and we're ignoring for the most part and kind of shrugging our shoulders and not knowing what to do about all the black and Brown kids dying. In south siders, Chicago, Baltimore confidence, so forth. So they already thought this was terrible day one. And so when it happened to I mean, the day negative, whatever. So when it happened to them right away. They wanted to do something about that. And so they were talking about that. And how to do that they weren't quite sure. How to go about it? And they also didn't want to be like the white Xavier's. Okay. We'll do this for you. They wanted to partner with those kids, and they weren't sure how to do it and Arne Duncan actually went to father Pfleger who's sort of like a great pastor in Chicago. Who's a mobilizer of the African American community in an anti gun and said like who are the really smart kids were doing something in Chicago. And he rounded up these activists who were, you know, the peace warriors and kids from an organization called brave and some others who are doing great things ain't getting no attention with no budget doing amazing things in their school on a Friday night on. On March first two weeks later, they got an part in touch with apartment kids and said, you know, would you want to meet with these kids the parkland kid said, yes, we don't want to wait another week is is it possible that come tomorrow because you know, everybody's in high school like they can only do it on weekends. And they didn't want to wait another week. So. Chicago people said, let's get back to you like at eleven o'clock at night hours skiing. Toby, I got the tax, and he said hell, yes, I'll be there. So the church funding got them on a plane. The next day. They were Emma Gonzalez is house that were nearly a dozen kids from Chicago, and it's not just the south side from the west side, and they met at her house and had this amazing meeting back and forth. And totally this stories that learn so many different things. And by the way, we learn about Chicago kids told them up Martin Luther King six principles which made a huge impact on them. But from fifty forward they were partners and working on them. And then they went into many other communities, but especially these kids, and then Alex in the Angelo, we're also appeared at the March for our lives I with neon duct tape over their mouth where they appeared on stage and ripped it off and spoke and sorry. I get choked up at a couple of these things because I mean that was symbolically we have been silo. This is how you have been treating us. They actually told me later on that. Actually was the brave group. They they put together a press conference a couple years ago were they had teachers and community leaders in all sorts of different people in Chicago from major press conference to get you know, the invited national media all the different social X, Chicago, press and. No one showed up, and it was so disheartening, but they did it. Anyway, it was like an hour long program. They said, you know, we're going to do it for ourselves and each other. And that's what they were dealing with. Like, what are they this huge thing? Nobody showed up, and so and the parkland kids are embracing and so they they've kind of emerged these two different movements because the urban African American groups who have been fighting this cause for a while. So hell, yes, we'll join you and you'll help bridge the medium, we'll do this again. And it's been a great to me. That's the most beautiful thing that has happened out of all this, and I had no idea that would be a big part of this. But you know, kids have a different perspective on race in America. Really? And they're like, we're not doing this. We're not just doing this for white kids come out there's this. There's scene in your book where the Chicago kids come to Emma's house. They have pizza they swim in the pool. Then they start to knock their heads together. Either you told part of the story just there the six principles from Dr Martin Luther King the kids from Chicago brought and then the movement on flashing forward comes up with five demands. They wanna focus it down. They wanna boil it down. Universal background checks is one. I think that everyone is familiar with what else? Mattis about let me try to remember a couple of someone like basic things like that. And then a couple were behind the scenes thing that the FDA would be allowed to study this right CDC's study gun violence. There's been abandoned congress for many years. I think there was an assault weapons ban in there as well. A couple of other policy issues, we got this from AC Monroe in Pittsburgh who tweeted ninety seven percent of Americans. Support commonsense gun legislation. Unfortunately, not even forty five percent of American show up to vote. So until we get a majority of Americans who actually show up to vote gun legislation is dead on arrival sad. But true, and Dave Cohen that brings me back to one other just sort of hard political question that came to my mind is I was reading this this this narrative of the kids demands in their political activism. There is overwhelming support for universal background checks. We know the NRA plays it outsized role in politics that politicians are afraid of. A primary challenge if they're not a plus on guns with the NRA is it that simple a policy like like eighty three percent or eighty five percent of people say that they're for universal background checks. And it still can't pass. Did you learn anything about the actual mechanics of that? Yes. Very much. And here's the dirty little secret of politics. It's not just eighty eighty five percent of the public or more. Congress people are really educated people. It's at least that number or more of congress. Most Republicans one of vote for these these are sensible things the list of five demands are fairly moderate most people in congress. They could vote their conscience and just do what they wanted would be overwhelmingly voting for this. But the NRA I don't know if it's appropriate, but really had gun to their head and then threatening for a generation that we will end your political career if you take us on and it has. This bowling tactic. And it's been this threat, which which blew up this year. And really looking at the numbers at an event is only part of the story the much bigger story is it. Evaporated that punched a hole in that paper tiger. No one believes that anymore, including Republicans who are running on it. And a lot of Republicans in swing districts, like bucks county, actually opposed the NRA and ran on a gun safety agenda. The NRA could succeed. I was shocked by the numbers. They only spent eleven million dollars this cycle. That's pocket change in politics. But by intimidating most of the field they they can only run in a few races. They intimidate everyone. So they're afraid of a primary challenge. So they get their way by scaring, everyone into it. Now people believing that myth has been bust, and you talk about intimidation, and we talked about the social media activism of the park students. So let's go back to the early days of this activists and the NRA goes quiet for a while. And after the attack it's according to their mass shooting playbook, they always do this. And then the group goes on the attack right around the time of the Oscars in early March. There's there's tons of vilification and attacks on these kids as soon as they speak up in this debate. Here's a little bit of sound, for example, from an NRA TV YouTube host calling out the students March on. Acknowledge the heroism bravery of blank Gaskill, the Maryland school resource officer who stopped the mass shooter in his tracks. And saved the lives of every innocent kid in that school to all the kids from parkland getting ready to use your first amendment to attack. Everyone else a second amendment at your March on Saturday. I wish he hero like Blaine had been Marjory Douglas high school last month because your classmates would still be alive, and no one would know your names this kids ought to be marching against their own hypocritical. Belief structures they hate machines that caused death except hold on. No, you ain't never gonna take their cars away. Dave that's pretty tame compared to the Twitter at mentions that a lot of these kids had around this time, just take a quick minute here. Walk me through how the March for our lives students adapt and respond once they get attacked in their mentioned start blowing up on the Oscars. I thought we were gonna play the the sort of times up hourglass thing. Dana is it where does Dana Loesch. Yeah. Did the kids saw that. And they. They like, okay, we need to respond to that. And they had this kind of amazing response video but also went viral, and I think got more than a million hits the first day everybody thought that was kind of great. I see the backstory on that these guys I call the memes man, which I met a month out when Jackie and got to prove to let me into their secret headquarters, and I was kind of amazing she'd give me a quick toward media hadn't been in there. So she's just showing me like, you know, everything's like here's the bathroom. Here is the you know. You know of storage room. And here's the writer's room, and I'm like the writer's room, and I didn't say anything at first because I try not to like intimidate sources are and then, you know, Matt dike who I met who seem to running a lot of a mexic- who's this guy? So I asked if I could talk to me he's like, oh, yes. Comeback. It. Let's do it in the writer's room. Like, okay. The writer's room looks at me. He's like, what do you think? This stuff is writing and self. Oh, and then I talked to Dylan buyer lane. Who's really the kids like creative with all this stuff? And I hit him walk me through their to most effective means including that one. So he's talking about the scripts in like, oh, so it's real it's a real. It's a real operation. We'll take. 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If you think the news is a joke. Wait till you hear our show new podcast. Episodes are available every Saturday. On speaking with David Cullen, author of park land birth of movement, Dave Cullen, you took us inside the writer's room of the early days of the March for our lives movement is they were constructing their means getting on social media. One of the recognizable faces you've mentioned him as David hog young man, nicely quaffed hair. Very good on television. It should be said that David Hogg does or did. At least take the bait in these debates, not only on social media, but on television. He's a debater. He's combative by nature in dozen always play by the rules that the group agreed upon when they're doing this. Right. David the most trouble. So one of Martin Luther King six principles like the biggest one they focused on is that when there's an injustice of the person is not your enemy. It is about the it is about the system or what's causing injustice. Not the person in do not demon. That person and these kids had strict rules about that and dividend David struggle with that the most because he is kind of pugilists at hard. He strikes back. He's a counterpuncher. So he is short fuse. And he needs to I think today he's much better than he was. But so he tries thir- imperfect doing this. You know, so she's also seventeen. Yes. Exactly. Right. Right. Exactly. Thank was. Yeah. Right. He's seventeen seventeen and like he lost people his sister. You know, this is a bit of an exaggeration. But he said he he started this became active to get out of the house from his sister Lauren because he couldn't bear to be with her. And I spent a lot of time with Lauren, and she was the closest one I sort of the Columbine kids with vacant stares. She scared me and really over. The course of ten months I could see in her face her improvement. Thank God, she kept getting better. But early on being that house with her was really angering him and she lost four friends, and she was shoes she was in rough shape, and he had a visual minder everyday over breakfast and dinner and through this is what this is what this does and it was frigging pissing him off. And so he was always able to to check his emotions play by all the there's the trauma of the. Event there's the trauma at home and the symptoms that accrue after witnessing awful violence and seeing it in someone's faces forget about your Twitter at mentions and people saying nasty things about you on television. You report that these kids traveled around to events and got followed in some cases by counter protests. Protesters toting semiautomatic weapons a show of force. That's that's a different kind of of confrontation. It is group. Followed them across Texas. They decided to spend four days of their summer BUSTER across America in Texas to go right to gun country, more than half of it was in gun country and a group follow them around. Every event was semi-automatic weapons probably loaded or you know, the kids didn't know and the kids point out the last time most of them had seen that weapons was when the swat teams busted into the rooms, which is really traumatizing pointing in a weapons of better heads in case the killer was in that room. Something could struck drop inside back and bother me. Like, whatever I was. You know, it's a stunt something kids it really got to them. I'm also noticing a lot of people are writing in a little skeptical, maybe even some of them a little bit irritated by the positive tone. Maybe that they hear in your voice or maybe of this conversation between you and me a because it was such a horrific tragedy. People rightly feel awful about it. They don't feel positive in happy about it. But your book is one about activism, but also one of hope for the future. I mean, the end of the book is not a period of sentence. It's next chapter twenty twenty. This is a movement built to last or supposed to be exactly. And I take my cues from the victims. And when I was with those parkland kids is like this is their agenda. That's what they wanna do. They're hopeful about changing this. And you know, who are we the outsiders? I know you need to be somber. And like, you know, how dare you react and certain they. Come on. They also they want to change America. They are changes. Like, let's get behind them. Not as adults tell them what to do and how to feel and how to act or that we all need to like not have hope because this is a a sad topic. That was their number one thing. Don't just give us your thoughts and prayers. We don't want you morning force. We want you to do something about it. So other kids don't die. Dave yearbook ends on twenty twenty in. What these kids have in store for the future? They are getting back to college. Some of them are still active. Some of them are trying to go back to normal life. And here's the question that lingered in the back of my head reading your book the whole time, especially at the end what about being a normal kid? What about that being able just to do your freshman year like a normal kid? Yeah. That's a hard thing that a lot of it's up the window. You know, Emma, talked about getting into college as let's face it celebrity and going to a small college in the first day. She didn't like the fact that she showed up like everybody there knew she was in kind of knew about her. And she wanted to be a normal kid. But that can't you know, they'll have normal lives, but for for this segment of their lives, at least, well, I had full of are household names. Maybe the most people don't know most of that. They don't know who Jackie corden is they don't know who L fons has. But they also Vicks hefted that you know, that that's part of what comes with the territory that'll be get to be completely normal. But they're having the education of their lives as normal. No, there's no normal. But the future is bright for them in these kids are working hard to make a future that's brighter for the rest of the country, not only in their community and parkland, but in other communities as well the kids that they've teamed up with I'll give listeners the last word author wrote us on Facebook. These kids are going to change the world. I am so proud of them. Well, Dave Collin? Thanks to you for joining. Dave Collins book is parkland birth of movement. He also wrote the definitive work Columbine on the Columbine school shooting in Colorado. Dave, thanks so much. Thanks todd. And I'm really proud of those kids to well. It's great to have you. So many of us are proud of them a true American activists. 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Today, he announced on Twitter that Harvard University had withdrawn his admission from the school over the revelation of racist offensive, idiotic posts written on a private Google document with friends when he was sixteen years old. So back when Kyle was sixteen before the parkland shooting ever occurred. He was on a Google doc with a bunch of his supposed friends, a private Google doc, and he dropped the n word and a bunch of other disgusting, nasty references now this is something not to make excuses for bad things. But this is something that sixteen year olds. Sometimes do because sixteen year olds are stupid. Everyone knows extend your older dumb sixteen-year-olds do not have fully developed prefrontal cortex. They're not geniuses or at least if they are genius genius for sixteen year olds. But if you are a kind of person who would like everything that you did when you were sixteen said in public or private re earth, re on earth, every time something good happen to you while then you'll love this story. So Kyle put all the stuff on a private Google document with supposed friends. Then the park shooting happens and. Kyle becomes a very outspoken advocate for the second amendment of very heavy publicized, heavily publicized figure, particularly on the right. I'm left, there are bunch of heavily publicized figures from parkland ranging from news. Emily Gonzales to the to David Hogg, obviously, Cameron Caskey, who we had on the Sunday special to talk about parkland into their bunch of these survivors, and many of them handle him. Well, some of them, don't handle him as well, but they're all kids, these are all people who are seventeen eighteen years old at the most. Well, Kyle cash was one of these people and he spends a couple of years, basically going around with various other members of the park in class and trying to school safety initiatives. So he meets with bunch of senators on both left and right. He meets the president of the United States. He becomes very prominent figure now Kyle also has impeccable academic credentials. So Kyle graduated second in his class, his classes, several hundred people he had in a weighted GPA of something like five point four and he scored fifteen fifty on his SAT's says academic credentials were for Leonardo. He applies to Harvard and he gets in, and after he gets in some of the kids, who he was on that Google private dock thread with back when he was sixteen when he said, all these terrible things decide to Nell drop all of that. And our journalistic institutions decide to go all in on this will summer who I think is one of the worst dodger artists in the media. I mean, he he does this for a living sort of trolls Twitter for moments to, to attack folks over the Daily Beast. He prints an article a couple of weeks ago is may twenty third about a month ago now called pro gun parkland team Kyle cash apologizes for inflammatory racial comments, and Kyle had gone ahead and done that he had called me after he said the stuff is resurfacing. And I said, you should come forward. You should explain to everybody that you apologize in that you never meant any of this stuff if you didn't mean any of this stuff, you should explain where you were coming from a Kyle said is that, like many sixteen year, he fell in with a group of people who are trying to shock each other? If you remember being sixteen year old boy, very often sixteen year old boys say, shocking. And terrible things to each other specifically for the fact so Kyle came out and you made a statement at the time, and we'll summer and other members of the media, covered this as though this was actual news. They covered it his actual news that a sixteen year olds stupid things in a private Google document. And then a lot of his political adversaries decided to go after him on that basis. There are also also some members of the so-called alt-right who decided to go after of some members sort of the fringy, right who decided to go after cashew, the reason being the cashew has rided the alright for their racism. He had said, racism is bad, particularly after parkland. He had said that he was not going to participate in events with people who he perceived as racist. They said, ha- back when you were sixteen you said, x is were adults attacking a kid who's seventeen eighteen years old at the time, and then they all sent these notes to Harvard admissions committee. A so cashew says all the stuff the Daily Beast reports all of this, and then Harvard gets a hold of it, and then harbor sins his admission. So here's what. Kyle explained on Twitter this morning. It's the thread Harverson. Did my acceptance three months after being admitted to Harvard class of twenty twenty three Harvard has decided to rescind, my admission over text and comments made nearly two years ago months prior to the shooting? I have some thoughts. Here's what happened a few weeks. I was made aware of and callous comments classmates. And I made privately years ago when I was sixteen years old months before the shooting in an attempt to be extremely shocking as possible. I immediately apology apologized and he did. In fact, issue in apology, by the way side note here. This is a smear job on cashew in the sense that they're bunch of other sixteen year olds in the chat, if any of their names appearing in public media. Have you seen any of the sixteen year olds who said similarly, disgusting, outrageous things? Have you seen any of them been shamed? Out of their college acceptance didn't think so it so here's the apology the cash. He the cash avert at the time. Quote, I have recently been made aware of screen shots, circulating that include offensive comments, former classmates and I made a few years ago long before the shooting. I want to address this with honesty. Enter. Transparency. We were sixteen year olds making idiotic comments using Kelsen inflammatory language in an effort to be extreme and shocking as possible. I'm embarrassed by it, but I wanna be clear that the comments I made are not indicative of YM, or who I've become in the year, since this past year has forced me to mature and grow in an incredibly drastic way my world like everyone else's in parkland was turned upside down February fourteenth. When your classmates teachers neighbors are killed. It transforms human being. I see the world through different is an embarrassed by the petty flippant kid represented in those screen shots. I believe those I've gotten to know since since since no better person than that. I can and will do better moving forward. That was his original statement. Okay. And then he issued the apology speculative articles were written his peers us the opportunity to attack him what he writes, and my life was once again reduced to a headline it sent me into one of the darkest barrels in my life after the story, broke, former peers and political opponents began contacting Harvard, urging them to rescind me. Sorry. This is disgusting stuff. You're going after a sixteen year old who's now eighteen for common to me two years before a private Google chat and sending it to Harvard administrators in an attempt to ruin his life. This is not an adult as a person who's eighteen years old and was sixteen when these comments were made, and we're now going to go to Harvard and try to have his admission rescinded on the basis of, what that he can never move beyond that he can never grow as a person he can never repent. We have to participate in on auto-da-fe in which we burn cash, and people like him at the stake, there's no forgiveness whatsoever. None. I mean Harvard done a thousand things here. Harbored said listen, those comments were terrible. We look forward to working with you to help you educate yourself about issues that have troubled you in the path. I mean, there are thousand things that could've done harbor has people at Harvard who are ex convict people who went to prison for actual crimes against other nothing. That things not saying mean things not using racial slurs, who committed actual crimes. Those are people at Harvard and you know what that is perfectly appropriate. Because if you committed a crime, and you did the time and you paid your price, then why shouldn't you go to Harvard University? Why not what exactly is the problem with that? There are lots of people, I'm sure a lot of terrible crazy things when they were sixteen years old or said terrible crazy things when they were sixteen years old, and who will say and do crazy, and terrible things while they are at Harvard or not going to be tossed out of Harvard. It's a Harvard, then sent a letter stating that they reserve the right to withdraw an offer of admission and requested a written explanation within seventy two hours. They said Mr. cash, we've become aware of media reports discussing offensive statements allegedly authored by you, as you know, Harvard reserves, the right to withdraw an offer of admission under various conditions, including if you engage or have engaged in behavior that brings into question your honesty. Maturity, or moral character gate, now that right there that statement is insane. If that's the excuse, they're using to kick him out that he engaged, or that he engages or has engaged in behavior that brings into question, which honesty, maturity, or moral character has engaged in. So let's when he was eleven he said, the N word is now are we gonna make it that, like, where's the age cutoff here, really? Especially given the fact that cashews been in the public eye for two full on years after the parkland shooting, and yet, nobody can point to an incident that he's had post that, that evidence is this kind of racism or racist behavior. Says, I'm half of the admissions committee, this William Fitzsimmons dean of admissions, a gutless hack on behalf of the admissions committee, we right now to ask you to send us a full accounting of any such statements you've authored including not only those discussed in the media, but any others as well. Please also provide a written explanation of your actions for the committee's consideration. Please Email these materials by no later than ten AM Tuesday may twenty eighth and they sent him on may twenty fourth, so one to, to come up with a full list. And they wanted a full may culpa that may twenty eighth so cash, you've complied and he wrote a letter, and here's what the letter said it said, let me first state says, let me first state that I apologize unequivocally for my comments, which were made two years ago in private among equally immature high school students in the attached document attached. All the comments have been able to record. I do not have access to the electron record of that conversation and do not recall, other things that may have been said, I've only seen what is here in the media. I take full responsibility for the idiot and hurtful, things I wrote two years ago, I make absolutely no excuse. For those comments, I said them regret them by explaining the. Context of my subsequent experiences. I'm not trying to excuse them. Instead, I am seeking to demonstrate the hurtful, things I said, do not represent the man I am today. I understand Harvard's concern over these offensive statements from my past, and I further understand that Harvard has been contacted about them by people expressing concern about them. I am very sorry to put the college in this position. I'm determined take whatever steps are necessary to rectify, this past wrong and to reassure Harvard of my commitment to values of tolerance diversity, and inclusion, which I hope to advance member of the class of twenty twenty four this is the context in which these comments, while this does not excuse my comments. I made poor choices with group in which those words words were little weight, and we're used only a means for their shock value. I bore no racial animus, the context group of Atta lessons. Trying to use the worst words and say the most insane things magical until these writings were disclosed long forgotten about them while will forever bear incredible. Shame for typing them. I specially feel remorse now that they've been made public knowing that caused terrible pains of people I care about I gave no consideration to the meaning of the words, I wrote in an effort to impress then friends and classmates and looking back, I know clear. Early. Now. I wrote terrible things I can never on. Right. My intent was never to hurt anyone to do, so would magnified. The harm immensely. I also feel I'm no longer the same person, especially in the aftermath of the parkland shooting. And all that has transpired since the second already the end of Kyle's response to Harvard request for may COPA first. Let's talk about that you're worrying. So I know you go to work, and you wearing a seat just got it off the rack. There's probably fits me. It doesn't. Okay. It's really ugly. 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I've tried hard to be a better man in honor of the friends, I lost, and I believe I have grown and matured significantly through this experience and proud of some of the things I have accomplished in the wake of that tragedy. And I do now. Recognize the person who wrote those things when I was reminded of the writings, I was mortified and embarrassed. My parents raised me to be better than what is represented in these screen shots about two years ago in an effort to be as honest and transparent as possible. I immediately apologize publicly when reminded of these messages while knowing the media, or that would ensue it didn't sue, and I've continued to accept responsibility, and the resulting legitimate criticism, as you know, I intended to gap year before beginning, my studies to continue, my work promoting school safety continue to mature, and we'll enter Harvard with three years in many life experiences between the foolish. Chelsea said those things in the man, I am today as an aspiring member of the Harvard community aspire to the values that the community strives to uphold, therefore, I've already written, the Harvard college of diversities, education and support both to express my deepest apologies and remorse and to reach out to begin a dialogue that I hope will be the foundation of future growth, while I'm no longer the same person who wrote those comments, there's always more learn, especially about the legacy of racism in our society. Thank you again, for this opera to dress, these issues. I hope this fully addresses your concerns. But if not, I would be happy to provide any further information or discussion. You require. That's the letter that cash, you've wrote back to them. And then he also sent a letter to the office of diversity will read that to you in a second. So Castro doesn't just respond to Harvard emissions asking for some sort of justification. With what I think is a very classy letter taking full blame for what he did. But also recognizing that he has grown as a human being since he was sixteen years old, and so his friends shot. Hey, and then he should never let her this one to the office of diversity, quote to Harvard college office of diversity and support around two years ago when I was sixteen years old before the mass shooting that occurred in my high school. Marjory stoneman. Douglas, I was part of a group in which we used abhorrent racial slurs. We did so out of misplaced sense of humor. We tweeted that we treated the words themselves, as though they board, a little weight, and use them only for their shock value, looking back two years later, I cannot recognize that person. I make absolutely no excuse. For those comments, I said them, at regret them deeply, I bore, no, racial animus whatsoever. The context was group of Atta lessons. Trying to use the worst words and say the most insane things imaginable. My intent was never to hurt. Anyone? And then he continues along the same lines as his original letter to the to the admissions committee on June third, they're right back in, they say, Jim Mr. cash. Thank you for your response to our letter of may twenty fourth. The admissions committee has discussed at length your accounts of the communications about which we asked, we appreciate your candor, and your expressions of regret. For sending them as you know, the committee take seriously, the qualities of maturity and moral character after careful consideration the committee voted to rescind your admission to Harvard college. We are sorry about the circumstances that led us to withdraw your mission, and we wish you success in your future academic, endeavors and beyond. So, in other words, you're an irredeemable racist. And now we are going to ensure that you don't get into Harvard college or smear to such for the rest of your life, because your political opponents unearth stuff when you were seniors old. They said when you were young and stupid. Congratulations, your academic life is basically been ruined, by the way I've spoken with Kyle, what Kyle told me is that he turned down a full ride from NYU turn on hundreds of thousands of dollars in foregone student debt. So that he could attend Harvard college. So they waited until after that, to check his mission, by the way, he got a letter the same day from the office of diversity and inclusion saying, quote. Hello. Kyle hope this message. Well, thank you for your Email. We appreciate your thoughtful reflections, and look forward to connecting with you upon your matriculation in the fall of twenty twenty in the interim encouraged search online for different ways to connect local organizations and resources within your community have wonderful day best. Grace Harvard college dean of students office office of diversity education and support, so excellent job, Harvard your own diversity offices. Like, okay, they mature thing we look forward to seeing here. We hope that you've learned in grown, we look for teaching you hovered missions committee, rejected him expelled him affectively, speaking after receiving Harvard letter cash, then responded by asking for an opportunity to make his case face to face and worked toward any possible path toward reconciliation, and they said, no, they said, thank you for your correspondence. We understand this outcome is disappointing. Please be aware the admissions committee carefully and thoroughly considered, or appliques. Reaching its determination decisions of the admissions committee are final. We wish you the best. A, so I have a couple of notes about Harvard University, one Harvard University is currently embroiled in a scandal, where they've been rejecting Asian applicants on the basis of their race. Okay. That is a decision of the admissions committee. So the admissions committee is racist enough that they are rejecting Asian applicants on the basis of their race alone there in the middle of a lawsuit about this right now. But if a kid said something when you sixteen years old and is demonstrated full-scale the not only is he remorseful. But that's not who he is his person, then Harvard Danes to expel him based on unearth, private correspondence, when he was sixteen years old. That's one number two is this new standard. Like this is the new standard now that anybody who anybody who has their crap from when they were sixteen unearthed, and then passed into public, what they've done since no matter what they've gone through or what they've become as a person that person's academic life gets ruined. And that person is then smeared across academia, that a person can earn admission to Harvard, not on the basis of activism is some of Kyle's classmates. Did that'd be real about this there. Certain of Kyle's classmates who did not score appropriately to get into places like Harvard or Columbia and attending places like. Harvard and Columbia, solely on the basis of their activism. How is not one of those he finished number two in his class with five point four waited GPA and fifteen fifty on his SAT's? He gets into Harvard, regardless if anything happens at parkland, and let's be real about this too, if he had not been involved in being public activist after parkland. None of this ever comes out, because none of his political opponents are looking to up on him. So he would have gotten into Harvard, regardless and none of this ever would've come out, and he never would have had to apologize. And he never would have been rejected from admission in the first place. You've gotten into an Ivy league. Anyway. He was going to a massive public school graduate number two out of something like eight hundred kids in his class. He was going to an Ivy. And now he's been rejected for the crime of having put his face in public. That's really what this is about. If you were not in public, none of this ever comes out. And if you say, well, this is really about who makes these kinds of comments when they are sixteen years old. I urge you to go back and look at the crap you said and did when you were sixteen years old, and think about whether you would want the privates, not even the public stuff, which is bad enough. I'm sure. The private stuff that you said on earth. And then cast before the worldview the worldview, and you being given no grace at all. That's the new center, by the way. This is not about Kyle being conservative for me. I've worked with many of the parkland survivors. Several them Cameron Caskey was on my shows Cameron disagrees with me on gun rights. I would absolutely defend Cameron the same way I have defended people on the left and the exact same wing. Syra Zhang, who's a columnist for the New York Times with my heartily disagree on politics, said, vile things on Twitter, people unearth when she was hired by the New York Times, I said, she shouldn't even looser job and choose an adult when she said those things, and she said them publicly on Twitter, not privately when she was sixteen years old when James Gunn director of the guardians of the galaxy franchise was targeted by online activists with old tweets where people were looking through old tweets and they found bad old jokes that he had told publicly about molesting children. I said he should not be fired. This was bad old stuff had apologized for it in the past. Also, it was comedy. Right. And I defended him to this is not about Kyle being conservative. I will tell you what, what is about Kyle conservative targeting Kyle is about him being conservative, because I promise you, if, if I were on the left none of this lead today. Nobody on the left on earth. Nobody covers it in the media. If this had happened David hog the entire media infrastructure activates in order to defend him. When Moore Ingram committed the grave sin suggesting the David Hogg was spoiled boycotts, were started against her program based on media coverage of Ingram with cashew, his political opponents from high school, his high school, quote, unquote, friends target him and the Daily Beast runs full peace one just the Daily Beast, by the way, Huffington Post round piece, I believe a bunch of outlets did. And then everybody descends on Harvard to try and get this kid's admission revoked. That's disgusting enough. What Harvard did is even worse? Harvard is place, supposedly education, my all the modern Harvard Law School. I'm ashamed of that school today. I'm ashamed of my alma mater. I'm ashamed. 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Use promo code Ben for five bucks off your first order from door dash, okay? So back to Harvard's standards here. So, again, the new harbour standard is if your political opponents dig up something that you said, privately when you were sixteen years old, and then dump it in front of the Harvard, admissions committee, and you happen to be conservative, and it happens to be something terrible, and it doesn't matter what you've done since then Harvard will get rid of you. They ex cons there right ex convicts which is perfectly appropriate by the way, I am sure that if we start going through the social media posts of everybody who's been at Harvard for the past several years. I promise you, there's some real ugly crap there and it's just social media. Not what they've been saying privately against wasn't even public private. This is an insane standard. No one can. But it shows the absolute gutlessness of the Harvard ministration what all recall Elizabeth Warren, leading contender for the democratic nomination for president spent years, claiming shoes, native American and being listed as such in the faculty handbook at Harvard Law School, and she's Nobuo back whatsoever. From the Harvard from the Harvard ministration, none none, if you ask them about it today, they will still defend her and pretend that nothing bad happened ever. She lied to them about her own status for years, why to them. No problem. A Harvard again is engaged in emission scandal right now in which they have been using racism in order to reject Asian candidates. Maybe they found out. Kyle was Asian. That was the problem. Harvard has a long history of racism, anti-semitism, Harvard has a long history of discrimination. But you know what Kyle points out? He says, I believe institutions, and people can grow. I've said that repeatedly throughout its history, Harvard's faculty has included, slave owner segregationist. Big it's anti-semites. If Harvard suggesting the growth is impossible, and our past defines our future than Harvard is inherently racist institution. But I don't believe that in the end this isn't about me. It's about whether we live in a society in which forgiveness as possible or mistakes, brand news, redeemable as Harvard has decided for me. So what now says, Kyle I'm figuring out. I'd give him a huge scholarships in order to go to Harvard and the deadline for accepting other college offers has ended. I'm exploring options at the moment. I mean this what a disaster for Harvard and unfortunately, this is what Harvard has become hovered is now a member of the woke scold brigade. They're run by s j w idiots. They have been by the way, even when I was there, and they were trying to get rid of Larry Summers, as dean because Larry Summers had the temerity, suggest that there are natural differences between men and women. That was enough to get him rejected, and of course, over the past few weeks, we've seen the case of Ronald Sullivan. A black leftist member of Harvard law, school's faculty, who has acted as a defense lawyer in a bevy of cases acted as defense lawyer for Harvey Weinstein and ended up getting his deanship of a residential hall canceled on him. Harvard is no longer than educational institution. It is an institution of, of Tarango overlordship based on politics. It's ridiculous. Because what you would assume that this is a place where you'd come to be educated. Again, let's say that you just had a student, you're a random student and the student had racist views at Harvard, wouldn't it be Harvard job as a school to try and train that student out of the racist views, wouldn't be Harvard's job as a school to try and work, especially the student expressed interest to try and work with the student to educate the student beyond the stupidity. Wouldn't that be the idea? I mean, where better to go then to an educational institution? That is capable of educating people out of bad ideas. Funny. I was reading a book over the weekend. From by a guy who will have on our program. His name escapes me at the moment. It's Djamil Giovanni believe Djamil Giovanni. He has a great new book called why young men about why young men become violent become terrorists, why they become criminals, very often. And Djamil Giovanni grew up in Toronto. He was the son of actively a single mother mixed background. And father is black mother was white. And he talked about, how as he grew up he inculcated all of these ridiculous insane views mean he actually fell in with the nation of Islam at one point. He fell in with the five percents who are bunch of racist, folks, and then he ended up because he was a gifted guy. He ended up scoring well on his L going to Yale Law School. And in the process of that education, he learned that a lot of these ideas were wrong because this is one of the things that happens when you go to an educational institution. It is designed to educate you to give you knew in formation perspectives you hadn't thought about now. Imagine if you'll law school had said, Djamil Giovanni, you know what? No, you know, we see that you are. Once a member of the nation of Islam, you can't get in we're done here. Sorry, you said that you remember the nation of Islam, and that means that you're irredeemable and you can never change in any way, even though you are eighteen years old twenty years old. Well, that's what Harvard has done here mainly because they were afraid of the blowback from the social Justice, warriors. They were afraid, I'm sure the black students association was going to descend on the doors of the dean of admissions office, and protests and make them look bad, and then it would be Harvard. Admits racist Harvard admits racist that was going to be how the media covered it. So Harvard was scared of the same media, that is despicable enough to say that he's sixteen year old in private conversation, saying bad thing for which she apologizes and then spends years, trying to live down that media was interested in bullying Harvard. That's why this articles came out in the first place, and Harvard cave because they have no spine. That's the story of our social Justice day and age a media, that is not a media that is not a journalistic institution there. Sue journalists who are actually activists or determined to use institutional power to. Club everyone else into submission and a bunch of administrators at various, institutions, or willing to cave in because they don't want the pressure Harvard made a very simple decision here. This is not about principle, because the principal is unlivable is very simple decision by Harvard University. The decision is we would rather cave in to the woke school media, and their allies. These pseudo journalist activists and their activists friends, we'd rather cave into them than stand up for principle of academic freedom and repentance. This is dangerous stuff for the country. So here's what I'm suggesting if you are a Harvard, alum today. You should seriously. Consider withdrawing your donations to harbored. I've never been a donor to Harvard law. I might have considered at one point. They are not getting any donation from me. That's for damn. Sure. And if you aren't alum from Harvard, you should think seriously about whether your money ought to go to an institution that decides that sixteen year olds are irredeemable based on private posts that are under oath by political opponents two years after the fact in order to hurt them. And the admissions committee goes along with that I would also suggest that media members if you want to do some digging, if you're not just activists if you're just concerned about people in positions of power who are maybe holding bad views, maybe your job should be not to go after sixteen year olds, maybe job should be to look at Harvard, admissions committee and find out what exactly they have been saying on their social media for years, weird. I noticed that everyone in the Harvard admissions committee that I could find I noticed that all of them had there. Social media council. I wonder why that is. I wonder why they've locked. 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So we're gonna get to a little bit more on this Harvard insanity because I really do think it's indicative of something deeper, in American public life that cannot be cannot be lived on something I've talked about a lot, and that is the choice that is now being forced on people basically do not enter public life, unless you are shameless, almost you're willing to let people destroy you. That's basically the choice that is now being placed before the American public is disgusting. We'll get to that in just one. Second. I head on over to daily wear dot com for nine ninety nine a month. You can get the rest of this show live. You can also get to additional hours of the show every afternoon, I believe was going to be a guest on the show. The this. Afternoon, along with Dennis Miller bunch of folks who come on everyday. It's really fantastic. If you're missing out, you are missing out, so go check it out daily where I come also sort of woke scolding that I'm talking about with Kyle applies to the entire right. The entire left is intent on depriving, you of your ability to listen to shows like this one, they're attempting to after our advertisers. It's something they do every single day. Why we appreciate our advertisers. But it's also why we really appreciate you the subscribers. So please go subscribe for ninety nine dollars this leftist years, hot or cold tumbler go check it out right now. It is indeed fantastic. And you get all these goods, but more importantly, you know, that you're helping us bring the show to you every day, so that we can't be run off the air by leftists who are intent on shutting down political debate by targeting folks, go check us out over a daily where we all sorts of goodies are last specialist. Great with Larry will more on the left, which is always, I think a lot of fun to talk with people who disagree. You can go check that out. You've gotten that a day earlier if you're a subscriber as well. So all sorts of goodies for you, when you subscribe, we are the largest fastest growing conservative podcast. Radio show in the nation. Uh-huh. Is one of the things that I think is worth pointing out here is the broader standard that is now been established. So we seen it already with folks, like Ralph northern that if you do something earlier in your life. At least northern was like twenty five when he was in med school and took a picture in black face or KKK hood, you gotta pick one at least twenty-five so saying that he was doing something racist, when he was twenty five that's a lot worse than doing something races. When you're sixteen years old. But even with that said, I said, even in the middle of the routh northern saga that if you spend the next thirty years of your life, not being racist, this should wait into consideration as to whether or actually a racist. But what northern ended up doing is basically saying he wasn't in the photo. And now he's able to live this down. So cure is what has happened. If Kyle had never Kyle cash had never entered the public square. He would've been at Harvard, he did under the public square and then he got into Harvard, and then his political opponents targeted him. So what does this say about getting into politics? What is the say about sounding off on matters of public discourse and public opinion? It means that if you have the right opinions. You'll be guarded, no matter what you do, if you are in the left, you'll be guarded by the media, no matter what you do because amazing, but people stop talking about Ralph northern that weird people just stop talking about, it's really crazy. Now, if you're a Republican, they would never stop talking about him. But Ralph Miller them, they'll just kind of shook their head went on with their life after all he holds the correct political positions. That's the way this works. If you're serious young and you have old racist tweets, everybody just goes, oh, well, you know that Sarah, that's whatever whatever if you're James Gunn everybody, eventually moves on even for. Jim's gun. If you're on the right you're forever, tarred and feather. And this double standard only applies to one side, obviously, which is why it is eight double standard. But even more importantly than that, if you enter the public public square, you know, that you will be exposed to scrutiny on everything that you have ever done, and there will be no forgiveness. If you have their own political perspective, which means that you're going to end up with people who are either shameless, you know, people who don't really care. Like you expose them and they just go ahead. And they said, fine expose me and I'm just going to double down on you with joy Reid over at MSNBC, claiming she was hacked, or people, so shameless, or people who attempt to hide everything. Right. Those are the only alternates people who are either absolute blank slates have said nothing in the past have no actual read on them. Or people you have read on the read is they're shameless. Those are the only types of people who will rationally enter public life ever again. Because everyone who is unable. I am sure would apologize for bad things in their life. But the apology does not matter. That's the point Kyle apologized Kyle has attempted to be a better person Kyle moved on wasn't enough, which means that the normal good human being who makes mistakes core across the course of their life and speaks publicly and openly and tries to add their opinions of the public discourse that person gets ruined the only people who are welcome are people who are absolute anodyne in Nikolas. You've. Idea who they are where there's blank slates like Barack Obama who, don't really have a public record, or you end up with people who are utterly shameless, or both. That's what you end up within public life. This Rex are public discourse are educational institutions, obviously have already been wrecked. This is probably it's got to be one of the worst moves I've ever seen in academia, reject a student on the basis of old, private posts, that again, you can show no evidence that Kyle has acted in a racist way other than these posts and the posts are bad. He apologized for them. He was sixteen. They were private. And they were unearthed by political opponents in the media amazing amazing stuff. Okay. Meanwhile, our media are on Rable dutiful beautiful folks in the press the guardians of our freedoms if people who are really on the frontlines of ensuring you get the information you need like what a sixteen year old said and the private Google doc back when he was a junior or sophomore in high school. We need those people on the front lines. We especially need them on the frontlines when they are basically doing the work of the Iranian government. So over the past week, we've seen the Iranian government really escalate its attacks in the Middle East. They attacked allegedly and by all available evidence. They attacked a couple of tankers in the Gulf of Oman is the second time, they've done this in the past four months. And this is really raised a lot of tensions in the Middle East. And by the way, there's a bipartisan consensus among people who have seen the intelligence that this is what happened. Now. It's amazing when there is a bipartisan consensus in the intelligence community Russia impacted the election, or tried to impact the election, then everybody ripped on from right? Because Trump denied it and their right to rip on Trump. Because when the Intel community says something, and there's a pretty good. And there's a pretty good consensus on it. The chances are pretty good that it's right. Even when it came to WMD in Iraq, the reason that the intelligence community worldwide got it. Wrong was not because of the Bush administration seeking to go to war. Because the international intelligence community universally was lied to by Saddam Hussein. There's a reason that the Brits and the French and the Germans. Everybody's intelligence services were coming up with these same answer on that one. So for all the talk about how this is all manipulated, and our intelligence community, this, and that is the until you gotta pick one either you trust them. You don't weird how everybody trusts the intelligence community on Russian interference in the election. But suddenly it comes to Iran, and they don't anymore, by the way, there is bipartisan understanding that Iran is behind these things. Mike Pompeo, the secretary of state said over the weekend that there is no doubt that Iran is behind these attacks. How certain are you that Ron was responsible for these attacks? And do you have more evidence that you can share with us, Chris? It's unmistakable. What happened here? These were attacked by Republican Veron on commercial shipping on the freedom of navigation with the clear intent to deny transit through the strait. This was on the Gulf of Amman side of the strait of removes. There's no doubt intelligence committee has. Lots of data lots of evidence. The, the world will come to see much of it, but the American people should rest assured we have confidence with respect to who conducted these tax as well as a half dozen other tax throughout the world over the past forty days, the media seat to paint this propaganda in the media. Seek to say no, this is propaganda. And this is exactly what Russia's pushing right? This is the line Russia's pushing so Moscow, the Kremlin on Sunday warned against the baseless accusations of last week's attack in the Gulf of Oman, onto oil, tankers blamed by Washington, and Riyadh on such incidents can undermine the foundations of the world Connie. That's why it's hardly possible to it's baseless accusations in the situation said, Primin spokesman it's Metri Paskov has said we always just so appraisal of the situation and to wait for more or less convincing evidence to appear worth noting the Russians basically denied for years that Sharon had ever used chemical weapons against his own people. The Russians needless to say are not folks to trust when it comes to this because they've been on Iran side. They were important and building the. Nuclear reactor in Iran. They, they've been instrumental Iran's gaining regional power. They've stood with Iran in all of that. And then, of course, is pushing this too, so runs parliament speaker hinted on Sunday that Washington was behind the suspicious tanker attacks. It was a false flag attack. So basically everybody's going Jones. Now, she got Moscow and Ron both nano wasn't the obvious Iranian attack. I mean, sure there's tape of us, you know, like removing and unexploded mind from ship on our rinky-dink navy, but, you know, it was probably the Americans probably Saudis, or something was somebody else. So this is when, when propaganda is being repeated by Moscow and Iran, the media might want to, you know, take a little break and think. Maybe maybe this doesn't have a lot of credibility. So here's the headline from the Washington Post standoff with Ron exposes from credibility issue as some allies seek more proof of tanker, attack Japan and Germany requested stronger evidence than grainy. Video released by the Pentagon. Now you might be saying yourself as Paul Krugman at the time saying sing to wag the dog attack. First of all, if there's a wag the dog sort of scenario than what exactly is from wagging. The dog away from you think he wants to go to war in the Middle East. What do you do his approval ratings? It'd be good raising the price of oil in the midst of a shaky economy, is a good idea. Probably not. But here's the other thing Democrats are repeating what Trump's head. So when you have my pump HALE, and Adam Schiff, saying, the same thing, pretty good indicator that, perhaps that thing is true. So here's Adam Schiff, a man that who bears. No love for President Trump. Apparently, he's no involved in the evil wag the dog scenario. Adam Schiff who Trump has termed pencil neck, new aids. Trump with a passion bordering. On the insane. Adam Schiff was saying over the weekend. There was no question that Iran was behind the attacks. So apparently, it's bipartisan wag the dog scheme. This question that Iran is behind the tax. I think the evidence is very strong and compelling. In fact, I think this was a classy, screw up by Iran to insert a mine on the ship. It didn't detonate the head to go back and retrieve it could imagine. There are some Ronnie and heads rolling for that botched operation. But nonetheless, the problem is that we are struggling, even in the midst of this Saulat evidence to persuade our allies to join us in any kind of response. And it shows just how Soleil the United States has become okay? Well, you know, it would help Adam Schiff if you went out there and forcibly made the case that the Trump administration is correct on what is going on with regard to Iran. But here's the bottomline. There's a bipartisan consensus in Washington DC from Adam Schiff to Mike Pompeo, that Iran is behind these attacks, naturally. That means the media are citing with Japan, Germany, the Iranians and the Russians. Well done media. You know, you guys are just doing yeoman's work. Not only that not only are they doing amazing work. So there's an article the New York Times this is just insane. So the New York Times article US escalates online attacks on Russia's power grid. The United States is stepping up digital incursions into Russia's electric power grid in a warning to President Vladimir Putin and demonstration of how the Trump administration is using authorities to cyber tools more aggressively current. And former government officials said, so nothing says, you know, standing up to the Russians, quite like giving over a bunch of confidential information to the Russians via the New York Times, well done near time. So this New York Times accuses Trump being a Russians cat in the pay of Latimer Putin. But same New York Times is printing articles on their front page about the United States attacking the electric grid based on confidential and classified information. The New York Times has interviews over the past three months. The officials described the previously unreported deployment of American computer code inside Russia's grid and other targets as a classified companion to more publicly discussed action directed at Moscow's information and hacking units around the two thousand eighteen midterm elections. Buried in this article is this hilarious aside? There's an aside in which the New York Times reports that a bunch of people in the US government or hesitant to tell President Trump about this because they were worried, what President Trump might do, quote Pentagon and intelligence officials described broad hesitation to go into detail, Mr. Trump about operations against Russia, for concern over his reaction. And the possibility that he might countermand it or discuss with foreign officials as he didn't twenty seventeen when he mentioned a sensitive operation in Syria. So the Russian Foreign Minister. So let me get this straight. Let me get this straight Pentagon and intelligence officials worried that Trump might spill information to the Russians or stop it. So they went and spilled it to the New York. Time to put it on their front page. Now. That's patriotism, right there. I mean look that is some patriotic deep state stuff right there. You're worried that the president might do something. You don't want him to do. So instead, what you do is you dump it in full public of the Russians know exactly what we're doing. And the New York Times runs with it because they're patriotically standing up for America's interests are press democracy dies. Darkness is folks, I definitely trust them. I think they are not activists. I think they're definitely definitely journalists. You wonder why the credibility of the president of all time, low, I would suggest that it might have something to do with the fact that they're taking the word of Moscow, Iran over that of America's intelligence community, except when it benefits them to, to stand with the intelligence community against the Trump administration simultaneously attacking seventeen year old eighteen year old college advertise and ensuring that the Russians know about secret American interference with their electric great job press really outdoing yourselves. Okay. Time for some things, I like and then some things that I hate so things that I like today, so George will has come under a lot of fire from a lot of folks on the right side of the aisle, because he is militantly anti-trump, the reason that his militantly, anti Trump is he said, is because he believes that Trump is not have the character to be president. Now as I have said, you know, I said at the time that Trump's character is not nothing. I said this in two thousand sixteen I'm still very critical of President Trump's character as anyone who listens to the show on a regular basis. Not. So I don't disagree with George Will's characterization of President Trump in terms of character. I also think that things are not going to get better. If you turn this thing over at this point to a democrat, who not only has similar character flaws, but also is dedicated to rooting out fundamental motions of the constitution but put the Trump stuff aside George will has a new book out. It's called the conservative sensibility and basically as a comparison between Madison democracy. The ideas that are embedded in the declaration of independence in the constitution versus Woodrow Wilson's progressive revolution about five hundred pages. It is a, a real tour to force by George will. It is sort of a life's work. You can see it. It's embedded in every page, I have some substantive disagreements with will on the nature of that Madison democracy on the nature of what stands behind our, our rules of natural. Right. But his contrast between the founding and the progressive era, is exactly correct. And his explication of the stuff is quite beautiful. His writings quite beautiful. The book is called the concern. Sensibility, I would suggest that our disagreements lie. More in sort of the, the understanding of the roots of the American revolution and founding era philosophy as wills very secular. Take on this. Mine is a little bit more. I think stormy based religious take on it. But with that said the book itself is really good. And all the criticism. He's receiving right now because he's anti Trump people say he's not conservative guys. George will spend his entire career being conservative. You know, if the conservative movement can't handle people don't like a particular president. I was just the conservative movement is doomed to failure. So I recommend the book. It's called the conservative sensibility. It's really good. I'm enjoying it right now. I'm in the middle of it. So go check that out. Okay. Other things that I like today, there's this ironic, this sort of Ron. So there's an article by Catlin beady called, how should Christians have sex says purity culture was harmful and dangerous, but it's collapse left devoid for those of us looking for guidance in our intimate lives. The entire article is basically about how you've if you suggest that sex should be reserved for marriage. You're bad, but also getting rid of that standard has basically destroyed sex and our culture. So the entire article is I don't like this original standard, but I also realize all the standards that supplanted it are basically garbage at least for human beings who want to be happy. And so now I'm stuck or maybe should rethink like an I statement, maybe that's what you should do this authorites when I was fourteen a circuit speaker came to my church's youth group to talk about. Sexual purity. I don't remember many details from the top, but vividly, recall signing. True love waits pledge a small card promising to remain virgins marriage twenty years later that ritual strikes me as almost innocuous, how much power do we give to scribbled signature of a teenager who had only the faintest idea what sex was, it also carried a psychological burden that many of my peers and I are still unloading, this is where we get the whole it was such a burden to be have to people expecting us to have a moral standard to wait until all my God. I'm still living that down. Get over it like seriously over your adult now get over it. A majority of adults who came of age in evangelical churches in the nineties, and two thousands were exposed to purity culture term for teachings that stress sexual abstinence before marriage. I urge this, by the way, we had our own ritual such as purity balls in our own merchandise, such as period rings. I had a wait for me journal that I kept as a college freshman created by prominent Christian pop singer, the journal, was designed to hold letters to feature husband, it held out the promise that if I remain pure, then God reward behavior with husband surely before I turned thirty so that we could have lots of children will know. Really nothing impurity culture suggest that God is gone ball machine. I'm so sick of people who think that God is Gumbo machine. It's not that's not the way God works. It's not like you, God wants and then God gives you everything that you could possibly want. That'd make a bad person, by the way, if the only reason to do things is because you think God is then going to give you what you want, because you bribe God, you have mistaken idea of God, and also mistaken idea of morality, the idea, instead is that if you wait until marriage to have sex, you're saving yourself for your spouse, if your spouse as themselves for you, then you get to enjoy one of the most wonderful thing has got ever created with the person that you trust. And love the most without having to think about all the pride or experiences with or without meaning or debasing yourself. Now again, this is not to suggest that if people have premarital sex, they've done something irredeemable, or terrible or anything like that. But from a religious perspective and from, I think basic, natural perspective, the idea of sex within marriage makes a lot of sense. It makes a lot of sense. And it is spiritually fulfilling and I speak as someone who is a virgin until marriage, as was my wife and I'm proud. That. I think that's a good thing. I don't think it's bad thing to teach children. In fact, I'm going to teach it to our children. I think it's a very, very good thing to teach children that sex is important enough ought to wait for somebody that you love enough to actually spend lifelong commitment with. And if you can't reach that, if you, if you decide to Philly or you make a mistake, or whatever that is urine those decisions that you can make, but to have a standard and not to live up to a standard is one thing to say the standard itself as wrong or bad or damaging. I think that's very silly. So this lady rights, somehow, God, I got her wares cross, because the husband hasn't derived again, it ain't it in God for you to find a husband really is not when people blame all everything bad that happens to them, dot or the society, around them, I start to think that you have mistaken impression of how cause and effect work twenty years later, I no longer subscribed appeared to culture, largely, because it never had anything to say to Christians past the age of twenty three a really I was twenty four and got married. Weird you lately. I also find myself mourning the loss of the coherent sexual ethic. Purity culture, tried to offer is the consent culture, the best that we have in its place is the best part, right. So now she realizes. Okay. So I didn't like that. Now, I'm in my thirties, and I've had sex and all that. But I'm really not liking the new secular standard. Yeah. That's right. You're not the new secular standard sucks, the standard that basically says that consent alone makes for good sex, or makes for good relationships or spiritually, fulfilling consent is great standard for law. It is not necessarily a great Santer for morality there. Lots of things to which people consent that are demeaning bad for them. It doesn't mean they should be legal. I'm a libertarian. But it does mean that maybe those things are damaging to you which is why you don't teach them to your children. Prostitution is a consensual act. As a general rule. It is it is a consensual act, putting aside pressures or how people got into prostitution the act of prostitution itself is an act of consent which is why I'm very torn on its legalisation does that mean that it is good for either the prostitute or the drawn? I don't think so. So this person says the effects of purity culture well-documented in books like Linda Rae Klein's, Linda cleanse, pure an exponential online communities, rather than emphasize the gift of sex within marriage, period, culture typically lead with the shame of having sex outside of it. I don't think that's true at all. You literally just said, one second ago that you kept a journal of letters to your perspective, husband, about the gift of sex within marriage like what? It is hilarious to me that there's so many people on the second low left who have decided this woman is still Chris, she's still considers Christian, by the way, some not labeling her secular left, but her perspective on sex is much more secular than Christian. They got rid of the traditional standard and their solution to the divisional. Standard was completely unworkable standard. Now, they're sad that the standard is gone. Here's how this lady the author of a woman's place completes article occasionally, I think about my period pledge letters to missed my mystical future, husband and find those practices naive manipulative. But part of me wishes that the fairy tale of purity culture comes through. Well, I hate the effects, the purity culture hat on young women like me again. No, you made choices. You're an adult I still find the traditional Christian vision for married. Sex, radical daunting and extremely compelling and one I still want to uphold even if I fumble along the way. So in the end you end up coming back around to the standard. Well, maybe the problem was with you, not upholding the standard if you're so upset about not upholding, the standard. If you don't wanna pull the standard, don't it's free country, but to pretend that the standard is bad simply because you had a bad emotional response to the standard is to is to get rid of rules in favor of subjective. Feeling which is not something I like okay time for some things that I hate. We have now reached the point of utter absurdity. There is a transgender track star, which is to say a genetic male name. CC Telfer CC toll for was apparently, a middling sprinter as a male now, see for considers himself a transgender woman and he competes on the Franklin. Pierce university track team. Not surprisingly, his now, world class because he is running against women. So here's what but see says, no, no. You understand. I'm disadvantaged running against women, which comes his shock to all of the women who are getting beat by a guy who has six inches and the significant amount musculature to his advantage. Anything me competing against v genders, females is a disadvantage, because my body's going on going through so many medical implications. Like it's going through biochemistry changes. So being on, you know, Homer, emplacement therapy. It gives you. Your muscle depletion. Your muscle that you're, you're eating you lose a lot of strength because, you know, testosterone is where you get your strength Gilady all that stuff. So I have to work twice as hard to keep that strength, okay to go back to some of the pictures here. Okay. This is a picture of CC's Helfer next to people who are competing. CC tougher tougher is a very large human being CC's. How do you think this person is closing in on six feet? Probably this person this very large human standing next to a bunch of very small women, and competing, those various women. CC tougher won the women's four hundred meter hurdles at the NCAA division, two championship. I wonder why how could this have happened? Maybe it's because he is genetic male, and there are differences between male and female, and this idiot. Eric it. De-uh dick. I understand hormone treatments. Not great for your body. Also, when you start off, as a man, who is six inches taller than every woman on the field with the musculature of an that pollution, still not gonna compared to having grown up as a woman with estrogen. But I guess we just have to be a stupid as humanly possible put all objective fact out of your mind instead favor, the feelings of people who are engaged in the delusion, that they are physically the same as women. I mean, this is just because that's what this person is saying they're disadvantages compared to them. That's why you're defeating them handily when you couldn't compete with the males per. Yes. I'm sure other things that I hate so people to judge needs, of course, in stats. Apparently, the mayor of south bend, Indiana, didn't interview on axios on HBO in which he explained that he was not the first gay president here here he is making this bizarre contention. If you win the nomination, they'll say, you're too young to liberal to gay to be commander and chief, you're young. You are in the weren't to respond respond by explaining where I wanna leave this country. People will elect the person who will make the best president, and we have had excellent presidents who've been young. We have had excellent president who've been liberal. I would imagine, we've probably had excellent presidents who were gave just didn't know which ones you believe that we've had a gay commander in chief. I mean statistically, it's almost certain in, like, in your reading of history, like do you believe, you know who they were my Gaidar doesn't work that well in the present let alone retroactively, but one can only assume that's the case. Why can one only and that's the case. Like there have been forty four presidents about two percent of the population is gay. So statistically, speaking, we pretty I mean, first of all, presidents are not elected on the basis of statistics, sickly, speaking, ten percents of our presidents should have been black. Nope. Statistically, speaking half of our presidents should have been women. If we're just doing representation of the population, so. Nope, on that one as well. So just typically speaking also, when he says some of our great presidents would have been gazed, typically speaking, we've had, like three good presidents. So probably, not the only one who, who probably was gay, according to at least or at least possibly was gay, according to most historians James Buchanan, who you know, I don't know that gay folks actually wanna claim you can pretty widely considered the worst president in American history. Not because he was gay. But because he was a crap president. So this is all very weird. And I'm just weirded out by the idea that people to judge has to make the claim that other presidents were gay in order for him to be legitimate as a gay president. That's silly to me again. I don't think most Americans really care whether people to judge is gay Mike Pence who he has been writing doesn't care, the people to judge gay. I don't really think Americans give crap about this. But, I guess, making history and stats is one strategy, I suppose already. Well, we'll be back later today with two additional hours of content. Otherwise, go see her tomorrow. I'm Ben Shapiro. This is the Ben Shapiro show. The Ben Shapiro show is produced by Robert Stirling directed by Mike Joyner executive producer Jeremy boring senior producer Jonathan. Hey, our supervising producer is Mathis Glover, and our technical producer is Austin Stevens edited by Adam sigh of its audio is mixed by Mike, coral, Meena hair and makeup is by just Ovadia. Production assistant, Nik Sheehan. 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Did you know, it's a new year year tech news weekly new show? Now our morning show so warnings zoo. All sorts of sound effects that we have planned for you. Now, I actually. Same show talk to the people making breaking tech news. I am Meghan Rooney. How? How it is a new year. Everyone is making predictions about what that means. But tech writer and podcast or Omar gogga is looking back at his predictions from two thousand eighteen and seeing what came true, and what's not welcome back to the show. Mar. So what was the biggest prediction that you made last year that did not come true at all? No, I thought we were going to find a way to lick this whole password thing like Shirley, someone who's gonna come up with a elegant way to you know, to figure out our password issues, and and find a way that we don't or not with these two jillion character ones. I thought that was going to be a big shift this year, and it it's didn't happen. And also I thought that an ending bunching was going to have as troublesome a year. It did I thought it was going to come to chug along and become more established and really toward the end of the year. We just how people kind of freaking out over bitcoin prices and blockchain and sort of. I'm a now I feel like there's going to be more of an exodus. This the first half of this year people sort of shake out of that industry. So those were the two that I feel like I was most off. Was just going to say, of course, the people who are really into kind of the crypto currency and into blockchain will tell you that there's nothing to freak out about right? Like, this is normal the direction that things head. You're smart. If you stay in do you do you buy that, do you think this? This is an opportunity year for people going into twenty nineteen. Is blocked him. The hardcore people saying like, no, this is good. This is going to take out all of the nonbelievers, and all of the people that are just in it for money that in a be good for the people that are in it for the long haul. So yeah, I think for them they are celebrating that you know, all the Johnny-come-latelies are going to be shaken out of the tree from from this. Well, that's the problem with all these predictions, right? Like, it's like a lot of people are comparing blockchain to the internet the internet. No, people doubted that too, and you know, people doubted Twitter and people doubted Google, and you know, so there's always that you know, that that those people that are like you just ju just wait. So you run the Twitter account, Omar stir domes-. You did make some some predictions. That did come true, which ones did come true. I definitely that. We were gonna see. I mean, this was this was a pretty obvious one. But that we were going gonna see more of the Alexa, Google home type stuff appear in more devices. It was going to be more widespread than just what Amazon and Google is doing. So you know, we're starting to see it in car devices. We're starting this yet and other speakers not made by Amazon so that whole emergence of voice tack going wider going into more devices into more places when we started see that like probably two CAS go. But I think this last year was really when we started to see actual product that you could buy at the store, and that was useful. I mean, I I think definitely in the last maybe three or four years all of the Alexa, Google home stuff. That's been to me, the probably the most exciting segment of definitely of Hometec or any of the internet of things. It's making all the stuff. We thought five years ago is going to happen. It's finally starting to happen largely on the backs of of those technologies. I mean, the popularity of that has only has only reached the level that it has because the price of these entry level like hubs be at the echo via the Google home, mini or whatever they're so low. And I mean, even around the holidays, they were pushed even lower that it kind of didn't make sense not to get one because for like twenty bucks, you get one of these suckers. And who knows if it's useful? Now, it probably is. But it will definitely be useful down the line as people get more and more interested in this mart home. So you think that's gonna continue into twenty nine hundred. This is the first year that I started to hear people say, maybe I shouldn't give that as a gift. Maybe that's not a good thing to give a listening device to a person that that doesn't have that in their home already. I started to hear people doubt. Like, maybe I'm I it's like giving someone a Pat like maybe they don't want to. But what I'm also seeing people buying their second and third echoes or Mini's there if they have a Google home. They're buying a mini for another room for the spare room or the office. So I'm starting to see multiple devices, or if you have like an Amazon show for the kitchen, you might have put the you know, that's what I did this year. I got gifted a show, and I ended up putting my old echo in the bedroom. Just to have music in there. So I I think we're starting to see homes that have multiple ones of these. And who's really missing out on this boat is the pricing. Lease apple like, you don't see people flocking to the home pod. And that's really the only you know, Siri and able to buy like it. So I think apple this next year is probably gonna push harder into that. And maybe come out with some lower priced alternatives to the home pod. Kind of more along the lines at the nine billion dollar version. Well agree. No one should surprise anyone with a gift of a pet. I think of the on these devices as gifts more like fruitcakes, just she just some people love fruitcake and other people don't want it. And they're just going to pass it. I bet a lot of the lottery gifting gifted. I'm sure that there's like one little echo dot. That's just been passed around. Maybe all over the world's perhaps. Credit? It's very easy to and stuff back Amazon. Here's a prediction that you made for next year net flicks getting into sports. What would that look like? Yeah. And I I've I've sort of that's been an ongoing I've been wrong about for the last two years. But I really I really think it's bubbling up because as I've heard it described by other people like anywhere where there's money to be made by Netflix anywhere where they can sort of eat your lunch. They're going to go there. And we already starting to see like Hulu get into some some live events though. I think that's natural progression. For for Netflixing is just get into something like soccer, or maybe boxing HBO has exited that so that leaves an opportunity for them. So I don't think we're gonna see like at massive NFL deal. Netflix this year. But I do think they're gonna start experimenting with them live sports live concerts, more stuff like that. You know, they're I think they're big New Year's thing was the Taylor swift concert. I would not be surprised if next New Year's it's a live show. So I think definitely sports and live music. We're going to be to that Netflix for this year. Impressive ended to think that that. Netflix could go in that direction Amazon's already doing that. Right. If you have an Amazon prime account, you get Thursday Night Live NFL games, which I didn't even realize until halfway through the season. I was like, oh, wait a minute. This the this streaming service that I'd never thought of as a live TV sort of thing actually is in this regard. And that's brings an incredible amount of value to that. I'm sure that drives people to the service. So it'd be really kinda surprising of Netflix. Didn't do this at some point. When Twitter started we're gonna put NFL games on Twitter and everything really. But but they did it. So I mean, yeah, I think that's kind of the out. But you know, they've got gobs Gazan preclude the money and can do it. So I think they will probably start, and, you know, for them pumping like soccer with you know, they're so big internationally that they could definitely not even just bypass the US and start doing that in other countries. That's how it goes. And then bring it here. So I could definitely see that happening. Where can you watch live soccer now is there like is there any app that has that? Or is it just regular TV? Good question. I mean, I'm sure like if you go through the they have, you know, links to things, but I you know when it's not World Cup. So under the radar. So I'm not sure I I'm not you've soccer fan. But I mean, I have friends that are in. I'm sure they would know where to watch stuff. And I mean, I know like I think direct TV has like international packages that have like stocking of soccer for the hardcore lots of emails. Our hope so foldable phones that's a big one that we've been hearing about for a long time. Do you think that I'll have one in my pocket by the end of the year? I don't know if you wanna buy one, I it's one of those things are you really going to buy the first generation version of this or wait till they they kind of refined it, but I do think there will be a mass market phone probably from Samsung. I mean that seems to be the one who's leading the charge. I think in October that was the Wall Street Journal story about Samson developing this, and there's other phone makers as well, I think while way is looking at this. But the advantage of a foldable phone is you get more screen real estate in something that you can still stick in your pocket. So you can have something that's like the screen size of a mini tablet, but still be able to put it in your in your pocket or carry it around like like a regular size iphone so that that's sort of dream of it. But so far, the, you know, the one the prototypes that we've seen are the ones that have kind of kind of bubbled up have been sort of ridiculed and not really received very well. So it would have to be something that really binds the best of both worlds all the stuff that you kind of expect out of your smartphone. But in a package that has a larger screen and can be, you know, his bendable that you can take it with you. Sometimes I have a hard time thinking about like that being the thing that catches on the flip side of that. I'm almost like, maybe it's not foldable phones. But maybe it is full phones that fold like flip phones because people want to strip back, and they don't want. This is a phone that does everything they want to minimize go the minimalist approach. But I don't know how many people are actually go not direction talk about bitcoin a little bit. Why? I mean, I guess we kind of already did. So let's not do that. Let's do. Instead what about AI? What about this has been a huge last couple of years for a and obviously that's not that's not a going to peel back inning. It is an end it's become like this big buzzword and some of the predictions. I'm seeing is consolidation in that industry is people saying, you know, this was a big buzzword every big tech company started getting into this. And you know, you're starting to see that not all of them are are making money or finding ways to to really make any progress on some of these areas. So you'll probably see like with the the the bitcoin and blockchain stuff, you'll see some shakeout of some of these companies going away or somebody somebody, you know, kind of retrenching their investments and saying maybe we don't invest so much AI. But the thing I think on the, you know, on the social side is more of a backlash of people like I said with with the Amazon echo stuff earlier people getting a little bit more freaked out when this stuff starts to overreach of people kind of saying do I really want to these devices and the services knowing this much about me, I think you'll start to see a recalibration of, you know, people saying this stuff is going little too far. Maybe I don't want this much of it in my life. And then we're seeing with all these congressional hearing, you know there. Going to be under the microscope with congress. I think Facebook Google all these companies that collect all this data over you know, a enabled devices. I think there's gonna be some pressure on that side too. So I don't know that we're going to see huge strides because I think there's going to be more caution and more rethinking of like how much of the stuff. Do we want in our lives and into we wanna maybe take a step back and think about this little bit? So we're gonna talk a little bit later in the show about apple the Big Apple news yesterday that a letter to investors the lowering the revenue forecast. But do you have any thoughts on that? I mean, do you think that we are going to be buying fewer phones, upgrading less often? I know last year predicted that that that phone camera quality would lead people to keep upgrading because the camera was getting better and better based on the news yesterday. Do you have any thoughts on what might happen with with how quickly we upgrade our phones? I think that's definitely the case. I mean, my my last phone purchase was an on iphone excess because of specifically because of the camera because I wanted, you know, the dual cameras, and and that was the reason I gave myself permission to upgrade. But it seems like they apple a lot of it has to do with China. A lot of it has to do with the trade war. That's happening. And it seems to have just based on some comments. I thought cooked make this morning. It seems like the whole China trade were situation really took apple by surprise and was not anticipated. So that seems to be a lot of where they took the hit is is sort of political moves in these things that happened that that are outside of the realm of just me and you buying phones. I think that there's definitely some issues with China that apple is dealing with that affected that. Thank you so much for joining us. Omar gogga is technology reporter a podcast or he can be found at tech minute, Texas dot com, and Omar g on Twitter and Omar Stor Domus on Twitter. 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Fifty dollars off your first job post. Terms and conditions apply. Lincoln dot com slash tech news. All right. So if you hadn't heard Amazon is big really big to the tune of six hundred thirteen thousand employees around the world seven hundred thirteen thousand if you include the temporary holiday workers from the season with all this employment workers are raising the red flag about working conditions within the company we've been hearing about this for a long time, particularly the conditions found in many of its fulfillment centers. Joining us to talk about how employees are seeking to improve those conditions is Michael say Nado contributor to the guardian. Welcome michael. Absolutely. It's great to get you here today. We really appreciate it. So Amazon seen explosive growth year after year. It's it's no new story. You're after you're were just use to it at this point talk a little bit about how that growth may have like affected its employees directly that rapid growth. How does that translate employee employees conditions? Well, that rapid growth is really put on to employees and Amazon. Band to hire not directly, but through temporary workers, or if third party workers in that is, you know within the labour market that's just a recipe for deteriorating working, conditions and exploitation because those temporary agencies. They wanna keep labor costs down as much as possible. And they do that by driving down wages trying down benefits and cutting corners wherever laid can. So the recent unionizing push, you know, there have been efforts at Amazon to unionize. But over the past six months, I think I I've seen in the US at foam at centers in two thousand the seat WMA tried to unionize call center at Amazon and Amazon responded by shutting down the call center in a few years ago maintenance workers tried to unionize in Amazon hired a union busting firm, and the the workers wound up voting against forming a union after a really a brutal campaign. What by that farm against unionization? And we've in down just a few months ago, the with whole foods that Amazon union Boston video I reported on his motor reported on. You know, we received copies of where managers are trained to push back in basically bust unions prevent union activities from from forming. In the you know, this been a lot of talk about the monopolization of Amazon and the rapid growth. The workforce has more than doubled over the past few years. So you know with that explosive growth on and the the rapid turnover in pick scale rated Amazon the second on most employee turnover in the United States. I in terms of their rankings for the worst companies. That's part of part of the reason is is the grueling conditions workers. They have hit a rate every hour on. And there's a lot of pressure in within that environment today rate in workers who either get injured or or can't keep up the pace or you can't keep up with that pace on week after week after week. They fall out of that system. So you're talking specifically about the job of the picker. Can you talk about what what pickers do exactly? Pickers, basically, they'll pick the item that needs to be. Delivered that someone orders from the warehouse. And you know, you know, give it to a robot for my understanding. It's pretty a across the board. It's a very monotonous ferret quick paced in the Staten Island of the pick a night him every seven seconds constantly moving up and down on back and forth. Often above the ground. One of the workers. I spoke with a few months ago, which really big story because as a pig or she was free floors stories above the ground all the robots down floor, and she had a breast car on in front of her that's supposed to be like a safety mechanism in it was broke. And she kind of had to remain oover how she was picking items. And that's you know, she wanted a parting her back from that, the, you know, she had to deal with workers compensations issues with Amazon where they were reluctant to to give her that and she wound up getting kicked out of her apartment and was homeless living out of her car. So that you know, that that was a big story out of spoken with a lot of you know, Amazon workers who have gone through similar situations where they've gotten injured and they've had to struggle with trying to get. A proper medical care improper compensation after those injuries as pickers for you know, it's no secret that work in a warehouse, very physically demanding job. But when you include all the fast paced working conditions in the emphasis on rate on it. You know, it into the reason why these fulfillment centers have amp care medical. Triage centers within their performance workers are getting injured all the time. So, you know, obviously, you you write about how you know. They're working these long hours there. You know? I don't know if they're directly asked to skip and breaks, but it turns out that that's what they feel. They have to order to keep up with demands of the job. Is there any incentivisation around this or it's, and if there isn't and they're actually being asked to kind of bypass their own health in order to kind of keep up with the pace of everything is Amazon breaking any any rules any laws in that regard. Have they been, you know, called a called the question on that? They're really skirting the laws in it. Because from what I've spoken with workers that there don't explicitly said, you can't go the bathroom. But what they do is they'll time workers on bathroom breaks had workers. Tell me this. That managers have said to their face in on timing you after they've come back from bathroom break at another thing is if you have a certain rate that you have hit every hour. You don't have the time to a. In many instances the bathroom is right behind you. The wall five minutes to get to the bathroom, very large, you know, roughly anywhere from a million square feet to millions or trying to wear houses. So you know to go into the bathroom, it's time consuming. So to take out five to ten minutes of our are you are risking not hitting that rate. And I've had other workers tell me that they track things bathroom breaks. It's called a time off task points. They have a point system where if you get time off cast owns you. You know, that could eventually lead to termination the recently got red with the fifteen dollars minimum wage increase. They recently got rid of onus is where they had these bonus inside satis for workers who didn't use their paid time off on, you know, you know, toke overtime shifts. You know, things like that. But they they got rid of that and kind of role that into the fifteen hour minimum wage. So you talked about the the pickers handing the the item to robot are these jobs that were talking about jobs that are really in danger of being eliminated through automation. And is is that what role does that play in this whole story? I mean, that's obviously been a concern. A lot of people have talked about over the years y'know as these robots in technology gets better and better in more sophisticated. There is I've covered stories where communities have pushed back against fulfillment centers being built because they had these concerns that. Yeah. You say you're going to bring all these jobs, but what are those jobs going to be here in five years because of automation, you say you're gonna give us a thousand jobs, but minot that could likely get caught to your two hundred. I don't think it's going to get to a point where it's going to be completely robot automated. There aren't going to be humans that need to work side by side with robots into a work on the maintenance and everything, but that is definitely a concern where Amazon really pushes this whole. While we're creating jobs, which in the study by the two for local self reliance that for every ten million dollars in sales on Amazon employs twenty one people while the average local brick and mortar retail store for the same amount of money, employs forty nine people. So as Amazon crows and eliminates competitors within the retail market. There are minimizing the jobs in that industry. So you see all these different euro retail and department stores are closing down or reducing their retail store presence. That's having an impact on the economy in terms of you know, what's happening to those shops in where those jobs are going. Now speaking Amazon's kind of expansion, obviously, you know, we talk in the last couple of months about their kind of H Q pursuits. They are they have they stand. The gain a lot from tax payer funded subsidies, while they're moving into, you know, these new locations in New York and north Virginia with those new Hugh hubs is there any risk to those subsidies at all and considering it's coming from the government government funding, if the company of Amazon is kind of proven to be mistreating its workers in that regard. Well, I think at this point it's not a secret how I am is on treats its workers. And I think a lot of people would like to see the subsidies, you know, people get rid of I think with a lot of the activists in organizing has been put on politicians to to stop giving Amazon those large subsidies, and it's not even just what the headquarters every time. There's a fulfillment center. There's you know, I live in upstate New York in there's a fulfillment center proposed just twenty minutes away that they're supposed to build. Soon and there's eight million dollars in subsidies. At least just for a film insider, you know, were it's socialism for corporations in a sense. And. There is a lot of no public resentment towards that for good reason. But unfortunately, most of the politicians in charge haven't been reluctant all to to stand up to Amazon. A small few with Sanders unroll Khanna leading the way to push Amazon to raise their minimum wage to fifteen dollars an hour. But they're really politically. There is in much, you know, going on in terms of politicians who have the power to actually stand up and start revoking those subsidies. But I think that you know, the trend will likely lead to that. Because Amazon is getting bigger and bigger there is a a greater public backlash to that rapid growth and Howard treats its workers in what that means for our society and our economy in just an example, or in in terms of the the political backlash on the city of Tempe. Arizona. A couple months ago, they voted to stop purchasing any hub city purchases through Amazon went from spending over two thousand dollars a year on Amazon through public in city expenses. They're going towards nothing in hopefully, more cities will will pick up on that. And it'll local businesses. I think are starting to to push back on a local in city councils to say in all you need to start helping people that like us in your local economy rather than trying to win over bend over backwards for Amazon. Yeah. Super complex too because I mean, obviously people are voting with their wallets. And I mean this holiday season alone prime, you know, sales numbers were off the charts. So you know, it it ends up being the tradeoff, right? People want want their products cheap. They want it fast. And look, you know, this is how this how Amazon chooses to get there for better for worse in. It's not a good not a good thing. So I think it forces people to kind of look in the mirror and reevaluate like how how much is this worth to you? Other companies are doing this to Taylor's. There are lots of film centers are doing the same thing. And they're trying to keep up with Amazon's like if you look into places like X P O fulfillment. I think it's called they have horrible working conditions because they're trying to keep up with Amazon on setting gold standard right of what you can do in that regard. Yeah. Michelson auto pleasure. Getting you on today. Thank you so much for taking time to chat with us about this. Where do you want people to follow you online? They can follow me look up my name on Facebook. Or my Twitter account 'em sign not one or you know, on a weekly basis at the very least might stories are on labor issues are in the guardian. So you check that out out of as well awesome. New writing for a number of publications, Michael. Thank you so much for joining us. 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So we're talking about here. So I, you know, news hit of his yesterday. It seemed like everybody was given their quick rapid succession. Hot takes almost immediately. What was your initial take? That was amazing because everybody used every pet peeve or personal gripe. That is they suddenly had a way to justify. I knew apple jettisoning the floppy drive in the usual. I'm gonna come back and fight. It finally has it must have been so cathartic. It was beautiful terrifying. To watch. So obviously, you know, wake up this morning. We kind of see the effects on the stock. The stock has taken a pretty sizable hit and you have to admit this is a really big deal for apple obviously, the company itself isn't on fire. But this is one of Apple's biggest disappointments in the modern I phone era that we can talk about like how where's all this trouble coming from apple made a big point about this being a largely around their business in China. What's the bottom line there? So there are a lot of symptoms. And I think there's a route caused all of the symptoms are everything from what apple said, which is China. There was almost like a perfect negative storm in China where everything from the trade and tariff problems that ease to -tarian and unpredictable governments are suddenly finding themselves in to the Chinese economy going down to some spirit of nationalism in China and very strong competitors. Like, wow, we were in the market. There's also to some extent people use chatting say that's the platform in China and. That makes it easier to switch between the vice in between manufacturers. Although Apple services numbers were up and their install base was up which means that apple doesn't joy, a little more stickiness than your average brand doesn't China, but that's sort of China's story, and then Timberlake also said there was some softness in upgrades in North America. And that contributed in part to the iphone battery replacement program phone battery awareness was very low and price was hype obviously, but as of two thousand eighteen awareness went through the roof and prices went right to the bottom and a lot of people got a battery replacement instead of buying a new iphone, and then you could throw in high prices for the tennis also some people who just don't want to give up their home button or a detached to write it out. There's no more sell sub cellphone companies subsidizing prices. So the sticker shock is much bigger than ever been before. And you had almost like another perfect little storm in North America. But I think both of those things like I said our symptoms, and the actual thing is that we reached the stage of smartphones were almost everybody who wants. Has one and is relatively happy with the one that they have. Yeah. So you bring up this chat thing, which is so interesting to me. So what you're saying is because most people communicate on we chat, then which is cross platform. It's very easy to go back and forth. And so to switch from an iphone Android phone is not as difficult. I mean is that like you mentioned that I is that really I mean more weighted in this than than the other things because I mean, that's what I always think like think anecdotally like I could never switch to an Android because of I message. But is that I mean is that really true? To certain extent, for example, people in China US we chat for everything it is there. I message it is there apple or Google pay. They use it for every transaction for every interaction. And that means that if you get a different phone whether us you switch from Z T E to while away or you switch from apple to another manufacturer, your your instance of we just goes with you. So the barrier. Switching is much less than it isn't a country where the rest of the world is still versus Android, and I'm message, what's there are a lot more barriers everything you bought on players and everything about on the app store and the economy is just not bad tied to a platform. But again, I would be more worried, but Apple's number per services is growing and that the counter indication and the number of installing units is growing. So I think apple I seen as luxury brand. It's you get face to get a steam for owning apple. But also, I think apple is getting some buy-in to their services, which previously might not have been the case. Now. When I look at apple struggles in China, which you know, like like, we've discussed was large part of Tim Cook's kind of right up around y they were lowering these expectations. It's striking to me that apple as a company has has these challenges. But that this could be a war greater warning for a whole lot of other companies right with could could this be the interpretation that if Apple's having a challenge in in China, you know, where obviously there's a there's a huge market there to be tapped into that everybody else should also be really concerned about this. Can't can't make it work to some extent. Yeah. I mean, we've already seen a big shakeout in phones, it became got to the point where only apple and Samsung, really make money and smartphones are some people a little bit of money, but the vast majority of money is made by first and then Samsung and everyone else either spent other money to subsidize their entry into the market like, Microsoft, using windows and office profits for a long time with windows. Mobile or they folded like what happened with on? And the trouble that Nokia and blackberry have gone through. So it has never been a high profit business and as always made it slightly dangerous. But when you look at the numbers like apple is down Samsung, probably going to be down as well does show that it's no longer sort of the fire everything growth, huge success. We're making more money than oil companies story that it was for a while in the past. So I've heard some people online to basically say he it's as simple as this. And you brought this up a little bit too. They raise the price of all the phones that's very high and fewer people bought them. It's basic economics. What's the surprise talk about that take? That's another case of people taking what they feel, and then sorting facts support that and I think there's a lot more nuance than that is the same as the story. There's all sorts of things. Some people are still saying, hey, it's the headphone Jack man fan over the phone, Jack, they'd be flying high. It's again, it's whatever personally bugs you if you're offended by higher prices. And I think that certainly a case to be made that they did overprice all of these Wallin's, I think that's true. But I don't know if that's an exact causation affect here. Because for a lot of people the prices are in especially in the US, they can be amortized over subscription programs internationally. It's been very bad because the US dollar is so strong suppresses the Canada, the UK other countries are astronomical ir and that apple did mention. They did mention the foreign exchange with huge pack to them. Overall. Apple is in a bit of a sticky situation there because apple is not making. My phone's more expensive apple is making more expensive, iphones everything. From the led screens to the true depth camera. Modules are much more expensive than the old. The Elliott LCD screens the old touch ID the old front facing cameras there. Also components have gone up substantially over the last few years and apples prepaid for a lot of those. But when the prepay runs out the are paying again, and their prices go up, and if you look at what apple guided it's also guided margins down margins are down about two percent since the height of the Steve. Jobs era, which you know, some people are like, oh, it's the milk all the properly injury out of the industry at the expense of market. He's making less profit. He's making much bigger volume. But he's making less profit than the Dobbs did historically. So I think that is a factor is actually a factor sticker shock is real. But I think it's again an example of the problem just everybody if you're still desperate for an iphone you could probably justify it. But if your iphone is pretty good, if you're pretty happy, and it's harder to say, I'm gonna pay a thousand bucks, another iphone. Yeah. I think that's a that's a really big consideration and not just for apple Apple's iphones, but phones in general, we've gone to this point where things like it's such a commodity at this point. Like, you know, that your phone is probably going to be good enough to do all the things five years ago. You can name off the top of your head all the ways that your phone sucks. But now when you get it it's really good and not just for that year. It's good for two years three years, and you, and it becomes more and more difficult to justify not only replacing it, but replacing. With the new normal of the price point of thousand dollars. And so those those factors combined. That's that's a pretty potent. You know, potent go up against we're not used the price of technology going up. We've all lived in an era where technology was invented and is now quickly growing, and we're used to technology forcing prices down our high house prices, don't go down our car prices. Always go down, we pay credible money for bottles of water, you know, lots aids, but we're not used to paying a lot for technology. And as it matures that those market conditions are going to be different and it's not gonna continue to race down. And we're going to have to face either. What we consider to be a good enough phone or what we're willing to pay could be a good enough own which isn't the place that most of us use for like eight hours a day every day all year compared to a lot of other things we pay a lot of money for. So I want to get back to all of this analysts doom and gloom. And, you know, the stock market went, you know, when when people's come out with these things that aren't based on fact, I'm not talking about just random people Twitter twittering or in tweeting. But but just people. True analysts that are saying these things are not based on fact, how is that not a legal market manipulation. I think it really should be. I mean, we've had we've had we had Kramer has admitted to it in the past that if he hasn't made a shorts. He calls up starts rumor applications are happy or previously blackberry allegations were happy to jump on it. It would drive down the stock price short and he'd make us quarter. And like you said that on tape it's on YouTube. You can go look at it. And I don't know why that that's not investigated on the why the funds are invested. But it does create problems because this quarter. We saw people say that I pose sales were down. And it's gotten to the point where they didn't get believed automatically last year. There was panic and it turned out to be wrong and for quarter after quarter before that for years and years there were bribes luck on the iphone is down to make their numbers supply. And it was never true and true. Nobody believed it and that hurts the investors as much as the fake the fake stories of apple being under under beleaguer seized hurt them previously. So at this point, obviously there's going to be a lot of eyeballs on apple to see what they can. Due to right the ship. If it needs writing what what do you believe what is what is the best approach for apple at this stage of the game? One of the biggest factors. I think is that the iphone is absolutely huge distortion it just it. It destroys any or most rational takes on apple because the iphone makes so much money. Maze. More money than companies that are control of very scarce boss appeal resources and you start to look at apple. What's the next iphone? It's unclear there isn't exit phone apple for anybody like until a wearable next miraculous, wearable, technology or cybernetic implants because something that everybody's simply has to have. There's just not going to be another iphone. But if you take the iphone away and you look at the other businesses, you'll get everything from MAC to ipad to apple watch air pods to services. There's a lot of fundamentally really good really high-performing businesses there. And I think if you look at Apple's behaviour over the last four five years, they they weren't fooled by their own success. They knew that peak iphone was coming and they began will they realize that once you can't cell phones anymore. You have to sell up to people who have phones. And that's why we see air pods and apple. Watch. I think taking off and why making a bigger play into services and all of those business. I think cook said overall they were up nineteen percent. And they're having record services business even in China in other parts of the world and even with this huge hit. This is still going to be the second best quarter in the history of apple which history of really really good quarters. So I think as long as they they're not deluded into thinking, they have to necessarily fix Iceland beyond the way, a company can legitimately fix it. If they keep investing in everything else that the iphone enables, then it may not be the Taylor swift of of because you were like onyx anymore, but it'd be a bunch of really good size rock bands future. Well, Rene Ritchie. It's always awesome to get you on. We appreciate used hop. It onto tell us gives your take on this. Big Apple news. Rene ritchie. I'm more dot com. Thanks, man. Happy new year. Happy new year. Take every night after the break online hate who are the people that really suffer. But first this episode of techniques weekly is brought to you by hover building your online. Brand has never been more important buying a domain name is the first and the biggest step to building your personal brand online. Your domain name tells the online community who you are. And what you're passionate about for example, tech or dot fan or dot dot org. Anecdote security wind zone dot gov. 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So you usually join us to talk about robots that kids can build or devices that help senior citizens connect to the internet. This is a little different tell us what sparked to this investigation. It's the other side of the technology that we live with and we at the post hope group of of reporters reach kept talking about all of these stories were writing about people who were living with hate and become a major part of their lives for me. Personally. It started in in March win I was in parkland Florida talking to some of those students reviver of the shooting the school shooting there, and they talked about how they were dealing with. How they you know, had to take protections at home how their Twitter feeds were filled with with with all of this, vile stuff. And so we wanted to take some time and sort of do a story that looks at the other side of hate, and we always do stories about the. You know that the haters and the people who are who are going on the attack. But what does it really feel like to live with this stuff? How does it change your life? Does it change? When you think about yourself. How does it change your family and how you feel safe at home? So we went out and found people who were willing to talk about their lived experience with having people attack them online. We went to a lot of different kinds of people. It was a really broad set of folks we approached a not surprisingly, many of them would not talk on the record about their experience. They were fear. They're fearful that talking about it would would bring more hate to them. But we did find these seven who have have a pretty wide set of experiences to share and really opened my eyes to the reality that, you know, when you're on Twitter or you're on Facebook or gab, whatever, and you see you know, that that that that Zing that clapback, and you think like it's another good one. Like, there's another experienced. To to what's going on just across the screen, one of the parkland survivors, you talk to Cameron Caskey. It was just so moved by what he said, he said people are addicted to being awful, and there's nothing we can do about it. But he also was able to joke about some of the horrible things that that people sent him. Tell us more about Cameron. That was one of the most difficult interviews I've ever done. He clearly is struggling with what he has to live with every day. And the hate that he he gets on the internet. He deals with one of his coping strategies to make jokes about it. And he did that a lot. He said Jimmy what I he just tried to find the horrible comments, and some examples in the piece, they are people things people said about his little brother, for example, it just tried to find it kind of funny. But then then it started to get serious when people start to make very specific credible threats against his house where he lives started sending sending swat teams to his house. And so he's. He's he's he's kind of reached a point where he's resigned to the fact that hate is going to be a part of his life, quite a statement about where we've come as a society that here's this kid is eighteen in high school already decided that hate us part of being human. Because the the anonymity of everything just drives us further and further it makes it so much easier. That's one thing that we really struck me about a lot of these interviews is that an end I've heard of this outside of just these interviews as well as this this. I don't know this movement towards putting on a good face about him being like. Yeah. It really sucks, but I'm gonna do my best to not let it bother me. But when I get concerned with in that regard is that sometimes you don't know or understand what the long term ramifications of this end up being what is your what is your life? Look like ten fifteen years down the line when you've put up put on a good face in light of this really horrendous stuff, and how does that affect your life going forward? I mean, did they have any insight into how they could like live the next ten years of their life in this new kind of world order on the internet, and how that might affect them. Talking with Cameron Caskey the the kid from park land. I said do you talk with a therapist? Do you think he someday this is going to catch up with you? And he says he thinks in ten years time of the park. Lynn kids are gonna have a lot of problems. And they've just you know, they've only begun to scratch the surface of that. I think that that hate beyond that case, I think eight can really impact people in a lot of subtle ways that can take a long time to sort of manifest themselves. We have a story in there about a a cyclist who's a who's a trans person, and you know, one big race. But then had it ruined by people saying, you know, oh, you don't deserve to win. So so you can take the joy out of victory. And then what does that do to you to you? As you think about going on being a cyclist? We told the story of a family in Texas whose son was was attacked by believes in school when when he decided to come out as gay. Day on on Instagram, and it essentially put him back in the closet, the experienced it. And imagine the impact of that can have over many years about being proud about who you are. So you're talking about Ricky Ricky Stratton who whose parents are pursuing legal action and and house echoing not very well. That was another really opening thing for me. You know, there's a couple of years ago many states, including Texas where they live developed laws against bullying online specifically because it causes can cost kids to commit suicide. But in their case, I learned that he was very very hard. Even though they're Ricky's mom is a police officer knows the law knows how to how to get Justice. She would having a hard time getting the school and local prosecutors to take it seriously and to and to really use the law to to help them get Justice. So I think it might be time for another look at those laws to see if they're really serving the world that we are now all. Living it, and you pointed out that, you know, a large part of this was happening on Instagram. Of course, his mom kind of pulled them off Instagram to protect him to shield him from the stop yet to certain degree. This is where a lot of a lot of kids are communicating. So at some point he wants to get back on their, and I think what that did that really kind of lit a little for me around. How you know? I'm a parent. And so I've got a couple of kids and sometimes, you know, and I I have to kind of push back against the desire or the knee jerk reaction to say, I don't understand it there for I'm going to take it away or I'm going to prevent them from doing that entirely. Because when I was a kid, I didn't have that. And I grew up just fine. You know, like, I don't want to go into that very familiar, parental place necessarily. But I I guess my question is is that does that end up being the right approach? Does that create other problems Becky writing creates other problems all of these? Are complicated stories. Look, if you're a gay teen in Texas Instagram might be where bullies come and make fun of you. But it's also where you have a community. Right. It's where you could find other young people and other people who support you. So just running away is not the answer. Interestingly a lot of these folks, we spoke with didn't necessarily think the answer was just to blame these tech platforms. Either many of them actually were unaware that these tech platforms or even talking about hate talking about the problem. They thought it was just their own problems that they had to deal with. So I think there's a lot of work that can be done there, certainly, you know, by by Instagram by Twitter Facebook to to work on this stuff. And that's part of the reason why they started gathering numbers on hate this year just sort of give us at least some kind of indexes to how things are developing and changing, but it's really complicated. And what I learned it's really messy out there right now. So that double sided coin that you talked about that, you know, Instagram being the place where you can meet people, you might not have met in the. Past that are like minded and also being the place of bullies that when you talk to Cameron Caskey, he said, he's sort of blamed himself a little bit for the hate it sounded like and said, you know, their problem. The parkland kids problem was they focused on the people and not the issue, but the focusing on the people was what gained so much. That's what caused the traction. Right. That's what people I know for me like for so many people it was it was just these faces of these high school kids that you're like. Wow. So I mean, I how do how do we how do we deal with that? Because it's like there's so much. I would like to think that there is was, you know, net positive in terms of you know, of us being better people. But I don't know when you talk about you know, all these kids having to go to therapy because of the hate they've dealt with. I think you just summed up the world that we live in right now. Right. It's because of the internet were able to hear these very personal stories and hear the voices of these kids who went through this and that has had. A profound political impact on the United States. And yet, it is also became a very personal thing for them and people decided that just because a kid has a political opinion that it is okay to attack them personally. That's the point we've reached in our society. And so I think we have to question that maybe, you know, in these polarized times, we've really been unable to separate a political point of view from who someone is as a person. And I think that's something that maybe we need to to to think through differently. But, but, but, but yeah, that is the cost, you know, these kids these these kids lived through the darkest day of their lives at school. And then we sent them to battle on the internet. Yeah. Right. And you know, and it's not just the anonymity of it. All it's also just the large scale that these social networks are operating in in, you know, in the social media, kind of responsibility around that when a person has a large audience, you know, some of these interviews kind of alluded to the fact that it's very easy for someone with a large audience to whether they realize. Is it or not mobilize against or four? Somebody simply by putting out a single tweet of some sort. And then suddenly, you know, this person that made some random comment on the internet is, you know, basically their life is plagued for weeks months years potentially around that they bear some responsibility around this as well. Right. Like their public message has that power to mobilize. I don't know. I don't know how any of this is informed than I think that's the big trick of all this is that how do you enforce it? When it's just it's people being people. You brought up a case that one of the most fascinating stories, we we share this piece. This woman named wanna Thompson who's a culture writer on the internet. And she earlier in the year tweeted, a critique of Nikki Manashe, it wasn't even that Harsha. Critique she was just saying I kind of wish Nikki would make some more mature content. You know, Joan she's growing up getting older, but Nikki did not like it and obliquely sort of responded to her and Nikki's fans caught on and then the fan culture, the internet is not just about sort of celebrating things anymore. It was it became about attacking this woman and she had to live with that. And she says cost her job, and it cost her of people just saying awful things about her. They found pictures of her daughter started thunder shopping them. So it was very interesting from her perspective. Nikki Manashe shared some of that responsibility. Now, Nikki never expressly said Hello bar. Arbs messenger for fans, go attack this woman, but she let it go on. And she saw that it was happening. And and you know, with the fan culture, the internet like celebrities share some of this power. And I don't know that that they've all really thought through what that means what responsibility comes with it. And the story of Charlie Wilkins is another one. I mean, you don't even have to say anything or be famous or do anything. I mean talk a little bit about Charlie Wilkins. This is a guy who's a professional skateboarder who happens to have the same name as somebody who did something awful was was attacking a nine eleven widow. And when that happened people confused him for the other person and just started attacking him. And he just couldn't believe what was going on in. I started fighting back and saying wait, no like you've got the wrong guy. I also found that that that horrible. But but it, but it didn't really stop stop the hate flowing at him. So just even a mistaken identity can end up ruining. Ng not only your day your week, your months your year. But also make you fearful fearful to check your voicemail fearful that somebody's gonna do something crazy at your house. So is there it can we end this in a positive way? Is I know is the getting of of. An important topic. We really need to wrestle with wrestle with the world that we're creating we're all part of and and how to treat each other better. I guess just knowing it's out there here in reading these stories is important. You can read the whole piece at the Washington Post Jeffrey feller is a technology calmness for the Washington Post. Thanks so much for coming onto Jaffer. You bet take care. All right. Finally, just a quick tip for you. As you set up that new phone that you may or may not have gotten for the holidays and decide that your old phone should rest in peace in the trash. Don't throw it in the trash. Why? Well, there are better ways to dispose of the technology. That isn't useful to you first of all because it might be useful to someone else. So, you know, donate it to 'cause it actually still works and stuff. But if you can't bring yourself to be a good Samaritan, and you simply must dispose of your old phone consider that the lithium ion battery inside is incredibly flammable, and that sixty five this is this is kind of a nugget from this article sixty five percent of fires that happened in California waste facilities last year were caused by those lithium ion batteries with all that trash contacting shifting and moving around and everything becomes super easy. For lithium ion battery to be punctured ignited and even explode, which could shut down the city for days, in some cases. So if you can't pawn the device off onto someone who needs it, and you must throw it away. You can look for. Socialized battery recycling program, you can even take them into Home Depot. Lowe's. Best buy stores for responsibly recycling them, if you just got a battery in your throwing it away, they say like rapid in in duct tape or put it into a baggy like zip lock baggy that way the metal that way. Metal can't touch the battery and then close the circuit and pop the battery. But I I just thought it was a good reminder that, you know, sometimes it's easy when we're going through the house, and we're like, I don't need this anymore. And this is no use to anyone. I'm just throwing the track or I'll put it in recycling and somebody else will deal with it. They'll find it. And you know, it'll make its way somewhere because out of sight out of mind, and I don't know you could be setting up a warehouse on fire and not even know it. You could do what I do. Which is I bring them in here to the office. And I give them to Burke, and he deals with them. So do that works for me. So. Which is interesting. Today. I have some thoughts has my New Year's resolution, my intention is to fix things. Instead of you know, just getting a new one, and I've been thinking a lot about this. And one thing that you shouldn't do what I do besides bringing Burke, but with old phones, you probably do the sages put them in your right like a deal with it later that is that aside from just throwing in the trash. That's the second. Worst thing you can do because they just lose value. And so if you could sell it to someone I don't giving away is great and everything. But if you sell something to someone they really wanna use it, right? Like there, even if you're going to sell it for just a very small amount like just knowing that someone wants to put money to take that phone. That's as long as it works. Of course. I think that's important. No, I have a five. See I don't know if anyone wants to buy if you you do. An-and SC the SE is the one that I I'm gonna do it this week. So because I know that that still has value to someone and not to us. We're not using it anymore. So I think that's important thing. So if everyone could go their drawer, look look in their extra phones or and try to find someone to buy your phone those true every single day that phone is less less carries less value and not just from a monetary value standpoint. But you know, we know as the as these devices age over time, they become less useful or less, reliable number. So right back out there while it's still use right? I'm saving the SE for when your kids get home. But that's years from now. So you'll be like a while. Sorry kids. I realize you said for a full this year. All right. I'll play me for everything. Check newsweekly records live now every Thursday at eleven AM Pacific one PM eastern. You can go to twit dot TV slash is that right eleven twelve one. No, two PM eastern. Sorry. I dot TV slash live. Maybe part of the show by us at t. And w at twit dot TV what time is not. 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"This podcast is brought to you by book dotcom in partnership with the cantata row tourism board, book dot com. The number one site for all inclusive beach vacations. And good evening. We begin with breaking news. A federal judge late today. Ruling that Paul Manafort, President Trump's former campaign chairman lied to the FBI lied to a grand jury light Robert Muller's. Investigators lied intentionally on multiple occasions. Lied about contact with Russians and he's supposed to be a cooperating witness now as you might imagine as we so often find ourselves saying, this is a big development and C N N's. Evan Perez joins us now with the latest is walk us through. What was not what was in? What was not in this ruling? Well Anderson prosecutors from the special counsel's office had initially accused Paul Manafort of lying on five different occasions five different topics during the time that he was supposed to be cooperating. If you remember he pleaded guilty, and he had agreed to cooperate as part of this investigation. So he met with prosecutors or many many hours of what they call proffer sessions. And during that time he was lying. According to the prosecutors, according to the judge in her ruling today that she said that there was enough evidence to show that he lied in. Least three of those occasions. One of them had to do with a payment that he that he had received to help pay for some of his legal bills and two of them had to do. With Constantine Kalinic is the name we've heard a lot obviously over the course of this investigation. Somebody who is going to figure I think very importantly in this investigation. There's also been a lot of reporting Leyland dinner meeting in New York with Manafort and Kalim neck. What's the significance of what may have happened at the meeting, and how does it relate to this? Right. Exactly. And this is actually one of the key lies according to to prosecutors, and according to the judge now the judge says that he he he was lying about some of his interactions with constant Kalinic. And the question was why exactly we still don't know the answer to that question. Prosecutors during a closed door hearing said that something occurred during that meeting that that really is important goes to the heart of this investigation. And one of those meetings was in August of two thousand sixteen at Havana Club cigar in in New York, and according to prosecutors. This is where there was an exchange of information. Perhaps this is where Manafort provided this polling data this internal Trump polling data that they say figures largely in this investigation. Now, it's important to note that manafort's attorneys say he didn't actually lie that he misremembered certain facts. They also say they also hinted in in the court hearing that Kalinic is not exactly what the prosecutors are making him out to be that, you know, obviously, prosecutors say that he was essentially a spy for the Russians manafort's attorneys suggests that he was meeting with with depth Labatt's from the US embassy in Kiev. So that perhaps he might have been a double agent. So I get there's more information that we are yet to see perhaps on February twenty-second when the two sides are going to be filing a sentencing memo's Anderson put that on your calendar for every twenty second is going to be an important date because we're going to hear a lot more about the importance of Constantine Kalinic. And why he is so important to this investigation. Impressed. Appreciate it. Joining us, Connecticut democratic Senator Richard Blumenthal. He's on the judiciary committee and cosponsor bipartisan legislation to require Robert Muller to provide his report in full to congress and the public Senator Blumenthal. The the fact that Manafort would turn around and intentionally lie to the special counsel. According to this judge after he made a deal to cooperate with them. Does that make any sense to you? What does that tell you? Well, what it tells me is that the lies were about connections between the Trump campaign and the Russians or between Manafort and Kalinic and the Russians which were not involved in the initial charges. No, not was charged initially with money laundering tax evasion. False statements now there is apparently proof of the connections between him and colonic and the so-called Ukraine peace plan, which was attractive to the Russians and possibly offered to the Trump campaign. There are other connections between the Trump campaign and Manafort and possibly Trump himself. And the question is why do you I about it? Was it just that he was a congenital liar or because he was engaged in a cover up that potentially was encouraged by others involve whether it was Roger stone or others who are Trump associates? And I mean, the I still don't understand if there was nothing untoward about the contacts between Russia and all of these people around the president why does wires so many of them lying about their interactions with Russia. Everything's on the up and up. Why not just tell the truth? Well, that is sort of the question of the moment, and after every one of these meetings or contacts, it was deception about them take, for example, that Trump Tara meeting involving Manafort and Kushner, and the others involved in the Trump campaign Trump junior the meeting was then followed by a deceptive comment framed by the president himself. The Havana's cigar meeting was then followed by deceptive common all of these contacts apparently instigated misleading or untruthful comments giving rise to the clear impression. And they lied because they thought maybe they were breaking the law. That's why people lie about things sooner Blumenthal. I want to come back to you and just a little bit in their next segment because there's an important piece of business in front of your committee regarding the molar investigation, and whether the report will see the light of day, if you could just stand by for that I want to quickly go to our chief legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin, former federal prosecutors, Shan Wu and former Trump White House lawyer Jim Schultz, it's not a full win. Jeff for the prosecutor's office that the the judge said there were two points, which they did not prove. Yeah. But I mean, let's, you know, we can talk about the political implications. But I saw Paul Manafort in court the other day, this is a man who looks like he's dying. He is walking with a cane. He looks disoriented. He has declined so precipitously in in prison that when you realize he has now lost his cooperation agreement and the chance for a lower sentence and. He's facing an entirely separate prison sentence in the Virginia case a seven year old man is looking like he may die in prison. And it is just a profound thing to think about show video. But that that's probably older. No, this is this is how we remember him as as you know, an, and you know, this is how he became a public figure during the the this investigation. He is almost unrecognizable really day from from this video almost unrecognizable. You know, he's got gout. He's walking with a cane. Apparently, he's using a wheelchair. A lot of the time prison is rough for anybody. And you know, yes, he did wrong and he did wrong over and over again. But I mean, this man is really really in danger of losing his life Hsien. I mean since the special counsel is no longer bound by its obligations under the plea agreement. What could that mean for manafort's sentencing? His sentencing could get worse in particular. The question of the acceptance of responsibility now is a. For grabs. Now, the judge might still give them credit for that. Because he's still has pled guilty. But that's what the concern is the false statements, which are actually done under a higher standard than the good faith standard for the plea agreement. That's where it's going to hurt him. And it's reminder as Jeff's pointing out the way, he's suffering now, apparently physically it's reminder of just how much power Oko operator gives the prosecution they need only prove the initial breach by good faith. It's really and their sole discretion. And so we wonder what would cause a man his age and declining health to take that kind of risk to put himself at risk when they have so much power. Why does he have to do that? What is it? He wants to hide. And that's really the intriguing part in the question is is it the sanctions discussion that possibly went on. I mean, what could be worth it to him to take this kind of risk Jim to that point. I it's the same question essentially in balloon with a why why would he lie, and why would all these people lie after? Having these kind of meetings manafort's case. I mean, we don't know the answer to that. But metaphors case it's been alleged that he had ties the Russians that he's had worked with Russian operatives in the past. And that he may have owed f- some of those folks money, and that he may have just been trying to save his own skin at the end of the day. And why he'd lied why he engaged in the conduct that they allege the engaged turning over polling data in my my sense is it has little do with politics and a lot to do with him saving his own skin. That's that is a possibility. I mean, that's you know, this incredibly cinematic meeting with Kalinic in this semi seedy cigar bar, which is on the top of six six six Fifth Avenue owned at the time by Jared Kushner Rudy Giuliani is a regular there. I mean, I it's like this crazy New York place, and this is the place they decide they decide to meet. And the question is is Manafort meeting with Kalinic to regenerate. His own personal business in the Ukraine where he had made so much money. That's where the fifteen thousand dollar ostrich jacket came from or is he meeting with Kalinic to try to get the Russians to help Donald Trump win the election. And that is obviously the most, you know, legally significant, but it may simply be manafort's greed. Senator Blumenthal, d do you buy that that it could just be greeted it could be greed? It could be just the habit of self-enrichment. But it could also be that at the end of the day Manafort want a partner, and there is obviously a reluctance to talk about it. But behind many of these lies on the part of whether it's Roger stone or others. Ultimately, the motive may be to win favor with Trump as part of a cover up and get a pardon. Now if you were to pick anyone to try to a cover up behind or lie to. The last person in the world would be Bob Muller. Chen. What do you make about that that this? You know, the possibility of a pardon is what is in the back of manafort's mind. I think that's always been in the back of his mind. But I find what's really interesting here is the question of the special counsels interest in the sanctions that seems to become clearer recently. And those discussions could have been about that. There's also one other point in the judge's order, which is that he lied about an unnamed other Justice department criminal investigation. So those two things to me point in the direction that he may have been lying about something that goes to the heart of what they're looking at now, which is the discussion of sanctions, and that might be worth lying about to them. I think if he was trying to protect something someone that's worth protecting keeping that information out. And that would help them get a part. And if it's known that he was trying to protect that going the pardon route as a hill Mary pass at any time and particularly with. His president even though he bypasses the normal process. You just don't know what he's going to do. So that's not much of a strategy. But it's certainly something that's always been working in the background for him. Since in Bloomfield on that, it just one last thought Anderson on this topic one of the lie that apparently he told to the special counsel related to in fact, his giving polling data from the Trump campaign to Kalinic and thereby very likely to the Russia's now that poem Gada was the lifeblood of potential social media outreach and the kind of meddling that the Russians did. So that coordination potentially is very important. Jim shaking your head earlier. I think that's that's right. Except for why did he do it? I think it's we come back to to have something to do with trying to help the campaign or was it that he was trying to repay a debt that he owed. And and I think that's. What we're all waiting to see with Muller's report essentially giving off some polling data as a way of buying favoring favor. Right. And I think that's that's you know, was he acting in the scope of his duties as campaign chairman or was he acting in the scope of of trying to protect Paul Manafort. I mean, Jim is raising a legitimate question. But think about how far this investigation has come here. You have the campaign chairman, not some flunky. We're not talking about the coffee boy giving a someone who is close to Russian intelligence information. That is the gold the most expensively produced product of the Trump campaign private polling. Which they can use to as social media. And I mean that is closing the circle potentially between the Trump campaign and Russian interests, which is collusion. Not about polling data for a second for those of us been bothering campaigns. Pulling data gets released to reporters all the time gets report released altern grant, not writing for the Russians. No question about that. But let's not talk about pulling data that it's something so intrinsic to a campaign that it never makes its way into public domain, low largely if it's good for the candidate it makes its way into the public domain arch Schultz Wu. Jeff Toobin, thanks very much more breaking they're going to stick around. We have more breaking news ahead. The man on track to be the next attorney general William bar is already having discussions on how to handle the Muller's of final report, including if and how it's released we'll talk to center Blumenthal, also about that later the deal. President Trump now faces to avoid another government shutdown versus what he could have gotten before the shutdown. We'll keep them honest. A book dotcom vacation includes a beautiful all inclusive beach resort with all meals, all drinks, including alcohol activities taxes. Tips all included are most popular destination for all inclusive resorts is Mexico's Caribbean coast including Cancun and Rivera the people food history. And of course, the beaches make this a great reason to go, and here's one more right now. Save up to seventy percent off all inclusive. Mexico vacations on book dotcom. 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The most pressing question bar will face is how much information should be included in a report to congress and the public as we mentioned before the brakes and Richard Blumenthal's cosponsored legislation to ensure that the Miller report be available to both congress and the public one thanks in our Bloomberg all sticking with us to discuss these new developments. So nothing short Abbar, releasing the full report to congress, and the public is acceptable to you is that right? That is absolutely right. Nor should it be acceptable to the American people. In fact, a recent poll a couple polls show that more than eighty percent of the American people think the bar the Muller reports should be released in full. By bar. And in fact, seventy nine percent of Republicans. So there should be complete full disclosure public right to know of the entire findings and evidence not just the conclusion, but all of the evidence and findings from the Muller report. And the American people deserve to say because they paid for it. But, but isn't the counter argument that you know? If unless there's an indictment, usually you don't hear from a Thorndike's detailing every stone that's been overturned. It's either. Yes, we're there's going to be something charge or no, there's not you're absolutely right. And I was United States attorney the chief federal prosecutor in Connecticut. I never did a report I never commented in substance on people's background or character. And the only comments we may generally were in cases of criminal charges. So the normal rule is either you indict or you shut up, but this is different. Because what we have here is a special counsel who is appointed only in the very rare and significant instances of abuse of trust public trust. And so the public really has a right to know, and we all can speculate and comment and predict. But what really counts is the findings and evidence, and they bear directly on that betrayal. Public. Cross. There's distinct possibility Anderson that there will be no indictment here because William bar has concluded a sitting president cannot be indicted. So if there's no indictment and no findings that evidence what we have in effect is a cover up, which the American people should not accept the fact that the board has not been confirmed as attorney general and has already consulting with top Justice officials is that standard operating procedure for nominee. Never stop never standard operating procedure for a nominee to talk about a pending investigation. So I'm a bit surprised that he is talking about the outlines and plans as the report suggested there's a lot about the special counsel investigation that has been treated as special. I'm just hoping that he backs this legislation and supports the concept of full transparency. This legislation is bipartisan and Senator Grassley, and I have long been advocates open and full transparency and disclosure. And I'm hopeful that we will have the backing of more of our colleagues already. I think there's growing acceptance Bloomfield, again appreciate your time. Thank you. Thank you. Join me against chief legal analyst, Jeffrey Toobin Shehu and Jim Schultz. I mean, Jeff as of now. The Justice Bartman what they're not required to. Show anything. There's tremendous discretion the registry, the regulation does not give the attorney general a lot of guidance one way or another. But, but I think there's a point that Senator Blumenthal made that I think deserves to be emphasized in unusual circumstance. It is put up or shut up indict or say nothing at all. Here. You have a situation where the president can't be indicted under Justice department policy. So that's that's not a risk. Also, you have the Watergate precedent where leeann jeweler ski who was the Watergate special prosecutor turned over a famous bulging briefcase of evidence to congress of relevant evidence for possible impeachment. I mean, this is the public does have an interest here independent of the criminal Justice system. And it really is inconceivable to me that the the public, and certainly the congress wouldn't be allowed to see what Muller had spent all this time. She should be made public. I think Barnish test. Said that as much as possible should be made public. And certainly he made a comment about d'eclat declamation memos. In fact, where people aren't indicted, where's declaration memo that that evidence doesn't make its way into play declaration. What when when a prosecutor declines to prosecute someone, and there's an internal evidence associated with that that evidence doesn't become public. And I I think it's a little far stretch to say just because the public paid for this work that it should be made public. Certainly there could be other confidential and intelligence information in that report it shouldn't. There would be reductions it should be redacted. But certainly, I think bar has has his testimony lended towards transparency on this issue. No question. Shan, bar did decide to keep their secret from not only congress, but also the public. I it would surely face legal challenges, wouldn't it? It would. And I on questionably think he's going to seek to exercise his ability awfully to censor. That report. I mean, we used to have all this talk about is more. We're going to get fired. That's the actions of the school yard bully bars. Far more sophisticated than that former legal counsel at the Justice department for Dag former AG he doesn't need to do that. He can control the message. And that's what he's going to do. He is going to protect the president. If there's anything they could give their by controlling the message. And absolutely I agree. It should be transparent. The more that's disclose. The better to the senators point of leading the American public. See what he's found letting them make their decisions. I would remind us all thinking about this that there's a role for congress, and there's a role for prosecutors, and he is going to focus on individual wrongdoings. He is going to follow Justice department guidelines as much as they can. He Muller will be loath to say anything bad about people that aren't dieted bar can use that as. A shield to censor the report, but congress has different duty. But congress congress can only do its job if it has the evidence that Muller collected. I mean that that's the thing. And that's why it's so important that that that congress congress get will we'll. A number of senators have said, well, look if if this is held back we will subpoena molar. That's right. And and I I don't know how that would play out legally, I think Ma bar has a lot of discretion here and the courts generally deferred to the attorney general when it comes to what's an investigatory matter. What's classified information? What's grand jury material all of that could give bar permission to withhold a lot of this testimony. So I think it's really gonna fall a lot on him. I don't think a court is really going to order him to release stuff that he doesn't wanna release, you know, he's got his own reputation to worry about he he is someone unlike Whitaker who was utterly unqualified to be attorney general, and it's just a political stooge in their bar is a distinguished public servant, and I doubt he wants his legacy to be the guy who kept this under wraps, but we'll see I don't know. Jeff Toobin Shehu Jim Schultz, and that's very much. Appreciate it. Coming up next. Why the man who once said the deals were his art form is now scrambling to explain his latest effort, which is shaping up to be anything. But a masterpiece were keeping them honest. Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. 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And it's not hard to see why the compromise contains less money for border construction than the five point seven billion dollars that he originally wanted and less money than he might have gotten back in December before he shut down the government in short, whatever you might think about the border the wall, the fencing shutdown or the president himself fact is he seems to fail to do the one thing that he says he does better than anyone else. He failed as a dealmaker in this case. That's not us saying, here's what Republican congressman Chris Stewart till CNN's, Jim shoot. Oh today. He said, and I'm quoting the deal. We ended up with now is worse than we had before the shutdown point. In fact, the president's record in the private sector is littered with some ill-fated faded deals, but when we asked from biographer Michael dantonio today, how this latest episode compares. He said, and I'm quoting the president may have just found a new. Way to lose to make explain why he was scrambling today to put the best possible face on it. I by pointing to another bigger better number than the one. We've all been focused on. And we have a lot of options a lot of things happening very positive things. You know, the numbers are almost twenty three billion dollars, which you don't report too often. It's about an eight percent increase over last year. So if you look at the total funding it's over it's almost up to twenty three billion dollars. It's about eight percent higher than twenty three billion is not just for wall covers all aspects of border security, like personnel technology infrastructure, maintenance, repairs ports of entry and yes barrier construction. Wherever as we showed you at the top of that twenty three point at twenty three billion. There's just one point three seven five billion funding for barriers on the southern border covering some fifty five miles of new construction, which is less than the one point six billion dollars for sixty five miles of fencing that the president turned down in December as far less, of course than the five point seven Bill billion. He was demanding for more than two hundred miles of barrier. President isn't talking about that number anymore. Instead, he's. Repeating what has become a familiar refrain from him to claim that the wall is already going up, though, if you listen carefully, he mixes up his tenses so much. It's hard to tell exactly what he's trying to say. The border area is happening. It's going to happen at a really rapid pace. We're giving out contracts right now. And we're going to have a great wall. It's going to be a great powerful wall. The wall is very very on its way it's happening as we speak. We're building as we speak in the most desperately needed areas. And it's a big wall. It's a strong wall. It's a wall. The people aren't going through very easy. Going to have to be an extremely good shape to get over this one. They would be able to climb Mount Everest a lot easier. I think well keep it about us. It's not happening yet. It's not being built as we speak. At least not as the president would have you believe, and it's nothing like the kind of all the president campaigned on or like the prototypes that were shown off a year and a half ago. The president said to be angry. He said to be upset is complained publicly about where things have ended up. But the reality is he could have had a better deal than this one. Whatever the lessons, he preached in the art of the deal, they did not work out for him this time, this may not be the legacy that he wanted. But it's hard to deny the legacy that he's earned in this case. Joining us now is democratic congressman came Jefferies, a member of the house budget committee, congressman when the president says that he has quote options. Most people don't understand to get more money for the border wall. How do you interpret that would options? Don't most people understand. Well, it's not clear what does seem to be. The case is that this is more bluster and misdirection from the president. Of the United States of America because he apparently is concerned that despite his promise that we were going to get sick of the winning. All he does is lose lose lose. No matter. What if you take a look Anderson at the subject Dery of this whole issue around his medieval, vanity inspired border wall? I he indicated that he was going to build a wall from sea to shining sea and Mexico was going to pay for it. They refused. Second over the last two years. Republicans controlled the house the Senate and the presidency, and he still couldn't get anything done. In fact, he walked away from a twenty five billion dollar border wall deal in exchange for Dhaka, then he shuts down the government for thirty five days in a reckless fashion. And then says uncle at the end, and engages in an unconditional surrender when he could have gotten at least one point six billion as you pointed out. Without setting down the government, and now has gotten much less than that. So do you believe the president could take this deal and then declare national emergency? Anyway, as a means of using military money for the wall. Well, it's possible that the president will in all likelihood take this deal because he can't go down the path of recklessly shutting down the government again that was a disaster for him. It was a disaster for Republicans in the house and the Senate and clearly Mitch McConnell and his team over on the other side of the capital want. No part of that any further now the president may try to declare national emergency. But here's the thing if it was a national emergency. Why didn't he declare that to be the case on day one of his presidency going all the way back to January? Twentieth of twenty nine t excuse me of twenty seventeen always seen is rhetoric around this situation. But no real evidence. It is nationally -mergency in part because apprehensions are down at the border. Not. Becoming a lot of Republicans will say, well, look, it's it's yes. And maybe it's not the greatest thing for the president's exact what the president wanted. But at the same time. It's not what Nancy Pelosi is. She said not one dollar for wall, and here here they are with the deal for one point five billion or so well, what we've said from the very beginning is that the president would not get a dime for a medieval border wall in the midst of reckless government shutdown while he was holding eight hundred thousand plus federal employees and their families in the American economy hostage. We maintained from the very beginning that when the government was reopened. We'd be more than willing to have a mature conversation about border security and do what was necessary in terms of what the evidence directed in. That regard. We indicated that we would be willing to support some modest barriers where justified and that in fact is the case here, but this Bill will be twenty four. Century border security. It will invest in a type of infrastructure that we think is necessary around the legal ports of entry. It will invest in technology. It will provide money for humanitarian assistance to make sure that migrant families are treated with dignity and respect that they deserve and terms of food and shelter transportation and medicine and clothing concert conservative freedom caucus leader. Mark meadows told reporters day that if the president accepts the Bill does nothing else that it would be political suicide that does the president need to do something else to save face here. Oh, am I view. This is a victory for the American people because we finally put to bed the notion that shutdowns are legitimate negotiating tactic. When there's a dispute between two Coequal branches of government. I think what we need to do is movie on this situation. Hopefully, the Bill would get to the president's desk. He'll sign it into law by Friday, and then work with us as House Democrats on our for the people agenda where we're focused on lowering health care costs protecting people with preexisting conditions. Driving down the high cost of prescription drugs and enacting a real infrastructure plan. That's what the president talked about impart when he came before us at the state of the union address. Hopefully, once we end this sorted episode. We can work on issues of real importance to the American people. All right, congressman Jeffries. Appreciate your time. Thank you joining former orange chief of staff. Mike Shiels Pearson powers and former Republican congressman Charlie dent, Mike is would it tomorrow. Meadows point be suicide political suicide for the president. If he didn't do something else after this deal. I don't know about suicide. But I do believe he will continue to something that word that Republicans are using the down payment, and there is their policy to build to have stronger border security into build a barrier. They've got this money for this. There's other things that they can do to put money towards this. Then there's going to be election in two thousand twenty it'll be on the ballot and they'll come back again. And so I think the base is now with the president they've seen. He's willing to go to a pretty extreme length to fight for something that they all believe in his basis behind him and talking about his issue. We're not talking about healthcare. We're not talking about student loans. We're not talking about things that democrat, you know, climate change things that Nancy Pelosi, and the Democrats in congress want to be talking about we're having a national debate on border security, which is where he wants to be congressman Dan, do you think the president will actually sign this Bill, and then to Mike's point sort of use it as a jumping off point. Yes, he will sign it. But not not until he complains about it. I he will complain about it he'll whine about it. Then he'll sign it. And then I do suspect that the president will take some executive action possibly declare emergency, which I think would set off a bit of a political crisis. I think he's moving in that direction. He cannot move these funds around the congress appropriated without some kind of crush congressional approval from the appropriations committee he may try, but that would really set off a crisis. So he's going to sign it. He has no choice. It's better than a shutdown, and it's better that continuing resolution so curious I mean, if the president's is the Bill was what CNN has been told he intends to do does he deserve credit for compromising. Because obviously Democrats have you know, trying to take a victory lap saying he caved caved. The other word is compromise. Yeah. Now, when I I said this before that, I think that, you know, originally when he had struck a deal, and it was being portrayed as he had been rolled and he'd caved, and it's like, no, he he just he made. A deal. And I think that he would have been it would have been better for him. If he had taken earlier deals that were on the table. So I I don't know that it was the best deal for him. But I think that yes, he should get credit for doing. I think what is the right thing, which is avoiding another government shutdown realizing that he's not going to be able to get the funding that he wanted and standing up against the base to the extent that he needs to stand up to the base because another thing that I have felt for a long time is that he you know, he had caved before because he got all this backlash. I mean caved his base because he all the all this backlash from Rush Limbaugh. And an Coulter I think if he had just did his ground, then he would have been fine his space very firmly behind him. And I think that he's done so many things that they can point to that. They are happy about, you know, import probably won't is really the most important issue. I think among Republicans and not just the base is the court. So I don't think I don't think he would have been in any peril, frankly. But now he's done this. And we'll see. We'll see if there is a backlash for for him. You know, giving in my word using the president should be politically about legal challenges in court. I I don't I mean in terms of declares a national emergency tries to, you know, get get funds from other sources, it appears that there's two sites that argument. And I think they're still sorting through that. And I think there are other things they're going to be Ted Cruz as Bill to use the chapel money to go for the wall. I think there's other bills that are going to move through that you can start putting while funding and continue to have this fight. I think the point is. Yeah, he didn't get everything he wanted. He set the terms of the debate were talking about border security. There's a way to win the war maybe losing the battle. It's I've mentioned that before when I worked for Newt the government shutdown, but Bill Clinton wound up signing a balanced budget because we won the the American people. So I think as long as he looks like he's continuing to find ways to do this. And he he's not finished yet. He can keep doing that. Congressman that matures you mentioned the president's based you think they'll see this as a win. You know, I think the president really needs to lead his base instead of letting Ann Coulter, and Sean Hannity and others. You know, get them whipped up into a frenzy. The president has to declare victory say look, I've got I got additional money for border security. I'm not done down payment pocket the game. And then come back and fight another day. And I think his base will probably follow him more than they would those talk radio hosts. But he for some reason, the president is so gun shy. When it comes to certain, you know, shrill voices. He feels he has to the pandered to them. He really doesn't need to. It is was that the president is pointing to the larger number the twenty three billion dollar overall that it's a rise over over. What was spent last year? Right. But it could also kind of goes against the conservative talking point that the Democrats don't care about border security. Right. I mean, the president's right? There actually is quite a bit of money in this four border security. And so I I think that the Democrats were interested in striking a deal where they felt that it was the money was going to be well spent on the where the problems actually are. And the problems actually aren't going to be solved by a wall. I mean, that's the problem. It's the problems are more at the ports of entry. And so I think that that's that's. Where the money is rightly being focused, and he's been given some money for not not a huge big beautiful wall. But for some fencing, and I think that's reasonable. So whether he can say victory. I mean, he can go out and say, whatever he wants the fact of the matter is he had much better deals he walked away from. But you know, he can he can say he he victory or I think prob- probably more likely he's going to try to find a way to get this done in, you know, as Charlie's pointed out in a way that might be highly problematic. Denver shoot it like Shiels cures empowers. Thanks very much up next who leaked the details of bazars relationships National Enquirer. Now, we know details coming up. Remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash CNN. And that's director of football coach geography teacher and high school students with big dreams there that seventeen people killed at Marjory stoneman Douglas high school in parkland, Florida one year ago, tomorrow seventeen lives lost on Valentine's Day lives. Taken away. Seventeen lives changed forever. By the actions of a lone gunman. The death sparked a movement several students from the school have pushed for gun control. They call them politicians to enact new laws and distance themselves from powerful lobbying groups like the National Rifle Association. You may recall this moment from CNN townhall just days after the shooting. This is Cameron Caskey a student pressing Senator Marco Rubio. Senator Rubio, can you tell me right now that you will not accept a single donation from the NRA. Number one the positions. I hold on these issues in the second amendment. I've held since the day I entered office in the city of west Miami isn't elected official number to know, the answers in Russian is that people buy into my agenda, and I do support the second amendment. And I also support the right of you and everyone here to be able to go to school and be safe. And I do support any law that would keep guns out of the hands of a deranged killer. And that's why I support the things that I have stood for in the name of seventeen people. You cannot ask the NRA to keep their money out of your campaign. I think in the name of the seventeen people I pledge to you that I will support any law that will prevent a killer like this. No. But I'm talking. Joining me now is that student Cameron Caskey camera. Thanks so much for being with us. I'm wondering just what's going through your mind as the anniversary the first anniversary of what happened in park on approaches tomorrow. You know, it's been such a surreal time for us. But recently, I was thinking about how people think about parkland, and I was thinking about kind of the public image of the city, and it's it's really nice to know that parkland is looked at as a city where people even in the face of the worst possible tragedy stood up, and and stood for something that was larger themselves, whether it be school safety or gun violence prevention, we we took what could have been the worst thing in the it was the worst thing in the world for us, and instead of hiding away we stood up and showed that parkland as a city, and and this community and these families who lost their children and siblings. We're stronger than anyone who could try and hurt us. So while the shooter went into the school day trying to to ruin the world and trying to knock everybody down. Everybody was really able to come together and show the we're better than that. I mean, obviously, you've been a very strong advocate over the last year for tougher gun control on balance. Do you believe progress has been made? Well, I mean just moments ago HR aide passed which was a which is the bipartisan background check Bill, and that's the first gun violence prevention Bill that's been passed from House, Judiciary and decades. And that's just one of the many steps that's been taken today. Governor to Santos announced that there would be a grand jury investigating the school board in Broward County, which I know was such a great victory for a lot of the parents because there's been so much corruption on a local level here. So while again, we're coming up on the one year anniversary of such a horrible horrific thing that took seventeen of our best people. We're really seeing a lot of reasons to look to the future and see hope your senior. Now, I'm just wondering what it is it. What's it like at the school year on? Well, I I know that a lot of the families of the victims. Well, despite having gone through such a horrible thing. I see these people so often, and they're so grateful for all the help they get there so supportive. I mean, Patrick petty is a student at Douglas right now who lost his sister. And every time I talked to him. I say how how are you doing? Like, I I try to check in. He just he talks about all the things in the world. That are good. And he talks about how one day he'll be able to see a sister again. And so many people in Douglas, whether they were connected to someone who's lost or whether they just gone through such such trauma. They're able to look to the future with with hope. And it's it's something that is so nice to see so the whole community and parkland really has just shown so much. It's it's remarkable. What would you hope that tomorrow people think about or do or remember about parkland and the seventeen people who were murdered? You know tomorrow. I hope a lot of people take the the bitterly partisan politics of this whole situation and put it aside. Just for a day. I understand that. There's a lot that needs to be advocated for and there's still so many fights that we need to end. But tomorrow, I think is about thinking about your loved ones treating everybody with kindness and compassion, and realizing that this horrible tragedy is they still happen on a daily basis. I mean, you look around the country, and you see so many people being killed, and and they're so many steps we need to take. But it's really important to treat the people around you with kindness and compassion, get Rakowski, I appreciate talking to you. Thank you very much. Thanks for having me again. All right. I wanna check in with Christy would he was working on for Cuomo from time at the top of the hour. Chris. It is amazing. How those mass shootings dominate a moment. And then disappear. I was wrong about parkland. When it happened. I was like, oh, God another one of these tragedies, and we're going to go through this cycle. And all these people are going to be made promises that something will change. And then it doesn't. And you have to watch their heartbreak. But these kids were a catalyst that I didn't see coming on. And we haven't followed through to understand their impact in the midterms. But you know, they went all over the country. Yeah. Those kids. My sister Maria does documentaries and she's following them around one of her documentaries is going to be about their efforts. It'll be interesting to see what lasting impact there is what this year anniversary means really important for you to do. It's also made that you know, they Cameron's applying to colleges now others have gone to college that they continue the push. I mean, they continue the work that they're doing while the same time being kids, and you know, going to college and doing this stuff that everybody else does that age. Yeah. I mean, look an extraordinary thing to survive it Aleve impression on their lives. They're trying to make something of it. That is always the best way to survive a terrible thing as you. And I both seen many times many rations around the world. But we'll see what comes to. We're still nowhere on that from. Cultural issue and his advice is great. It's just not going to be taken the idea of putting politics aside. We've yet to see that when it comes to that issue tomorrow, I'll be dealing with that tonight. We're going to take on what just came out of that judge's ruling in the Manafort case, and what it means Anderson I've become convinced. I don't know what the mullahs probe is going to lead to. I don't see it ending the presidency. I could be wrong. But why did they lie? If they had nothing to hide is a question that applies in a way I have never seen before. It is the big question. We'll take it on. And it's not just one person long. It's multiple I have to live to live. Chris. We'll see you just few minutes about five minutes from now. 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Ep.129 | Michael Knowles and Elisha Krauss Join In & Kavanaugh Hysteria Continues

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Ep.129 | Michael Knowles and Elisha Krauss Join In & Kavanaugh Hysteria Continues

"The blaze radio network. On demand. This is the news and why? Why? Why? Why it matters. Hey, I'm Sarah Gonzales. Welcome to the news and why it matters still out here in LA. And today we are joined by Michael Knowles and leash Krause. Thank you guys so much for being here. It's really nice to have the big the power couple of the daily wire you're on with us at the same time. We're not really a couple. This is something that people assume. Sometimes my wife is named sweet little LIZA and then Alicia sweet little Alicia. It's very confusing sweet or little like she. But he leash uphill. I'm a married, man. I'm sorry. I'm a married man. Okay. Very believable. I see the cavenaugh things. Never going to court. Yeah. All right. Glenn, what's the top story for Kevin? Okay. Okay, Michael top story is great. If you're a masochist millennial Orbis is offering to tattoo their brand logo on you in exchange for nothing, tells us a lot about millennials, son, good times ahead into Cavanaugh. I think actually a science silent story of the week that everyone should be paying more attention to is the fact that Google is now working with the Chinese communist regime to start a specific search engine geared toward the Chinese market. I suppose that allows them to limit searches on free speech and religion and other things as well. So it's definitely very concerning considering that Google is now reneging on their, they do no evil kind of policy change the policy last year. And it kind of wondered why changing that. Before we before we get into all of that, one of our sponsor radius own radius own. I love Ridge's own day. So yeah, this is me about, I don't know, twelve years ago, the big giant ten. That was me. So I understand the struggles, weight loss yacht. Glenn had some transitions since then, I know the struggles of weight loss. So I am speaking to you with personal experience and radio and has really helped me. It controls my cravings. It helps boost metabolism. It's basically the good molecule in all of oil that does all of those things. They've extracted it and put it into the pill form get this because I've just been chugging all oil and look at me. And so you know what? It, you can save thirty percent on three months supply. Some people are saying it's still kind of expensive. Sarah, okay. Look, we did the math. It's a dollar thirty nine day. Think about all of the things you spend your money on. You go to Starbucks and you spend way more than that. This is a dollar thirty nine a day if you want to get control of your weight. That's amazing. All right, so there's no excuses not to do it. You can go to reduce own dot com. Get thirty percent off of a three-month supply and you can use promo code the blaze to do that. All right. Glenn cavenaugh Kevin, the this is just getting more and more bizarre. First of all, the women who came out yesterday and said, all, yeah, no, I heard I heard rumblings and buzz about that in high school. What kind of fact is that the reading then she comes out and says, by the way, I not going to testify I, I was empowered. By the internet to make those claims yesterday empowered that she deleted it because it had the effect that she wanted. And once it had the effect that she wanted to have, she decided to delete it all. I didn't see anything credibly dangerous. I think so telling when one it's telling an incredibly revealing to it's so dangerous to that. We live in a day and age that you can just tweet whatever you want. And then once I had the effect, I'm just gonna let it some good. The New York Times has been doing that for decades. They run a story on page. A. one that's the big, you know, Kavanagh's a super secret Nazi and then five days later they retract on page ac- fifty. Seven. Oh, no, he's not. They've been doing. I mean, this is just the social media quivalent if that, right? Here's a lie. I'll delete it later. But you know, we used to. We used to come together a little bit more and say, we're better than that where we finding out now we're not better than that. And let's what's terrifying is. No, a deep fakes are. Yeah, OD videos. And so just last week they've, they've hit another milestone in that is they can now mimic the movements of your body near. Yes, they took two videos of people. One was, you know, President Obama, and I don't remember the other one was and there they can make anyone move. They could take film of President Obama and make it move like me and walk like me. So now you know. Gate is a big way to find people facial recognition, but also gate. So now you can take video of anybody. I can give him the right gate as long as they have video. We're getting to a place to where the truth doesn't matter, but our eyes will not be able to tell us what the truth is and wait until that becomes mainstream. We've been talking about this for about four years. And since that you've been able to start doing the easy, deep fakes with pornography. Wait until government gets a hold of this. Wait until Russia gets a hold of this and takes a video of Hillary Clinton or or Donald Trump, or anybody, and they're, they're starting to make progress in the polls. You dump that fake out. You've seen it burns into your your senses in your memory, and then it's proven that it wasn't fake, but the damage is done cab just like. Aw, except much more powerful. It's like that old Marx, brothers line who you're gonna, believe me or your own is your own lion is and that that's finally true. We're now at the point where you cannot believe images and even video that's that's put in front of you. That's a whole new world. The fascinating thing about having those Huffington Post poll showed that this morning only twenty eight percent of men and twenty five percent of women believed professor Ford story. So I think that. Huffington post. Yeah. So it's fascinating because I think a lot of women unfortunately have undergone levels of harassment, not at the extent of professor Ford with this atrocious assault that she's alleging. I'm of the mindset that something horrific probably did happen to her when she was fifteen years old, but she's being used as upon by the Democratic Party to try to get cavenaugh and has buddy Mike judge. No. I think that having had an incident happened to me which was then logged and went to NYPD trial on a New York City. Subway. I remember every single detail of that incident, even though it's been fourteen years, I have people just exactly what I said. I actually wrote about that. It's up on the blaze dot com right now, but it was over two decades ago. Right? I remember and there were multiple multiple times at this happened to me. I remember exactly where I was. I remember exactly who it was. I remember exactly who was around. I remember all of the circumstances surrounding each and every time it's just it's boggling that the New York Times had today and you should listen to it as the I don't know what they call it the new day or whatever it is. The daily is alia daily. And so you know, I listened to it every morning first thing just to just to evacuate. Your mind? No, but listen every day just to just to hear the balance and and what what that that perspective is. And today was a woman who was from California, and I think I can't remember where she moved back east. I think New York. And she said she was groped at fifteen was a horrible experience, but she detailed the time the day, the truck or the car where it happened, who it was, I'll never forget it. And she was credible because everything she had every detail and the New York Times didn't notice that that there was a difference there and was trying to compare her to Ford, but there is no comparison for if this woman would have come come in and she had details that that would have been different than it would have added a little bit more to the. He said, she said nonsense. The details of the house of the party. And who else was there? Understand not maybe time. There's multiple serious, anything you, you could lose a lot of things, but I'm really into pivot points in life. And I remember when Mitt Romney said, oh, you know, I'm, I'm absolutely pro-life. No, you were against life and had him on. And I said to the audience, right for came in, he was he was away from this, the studio. And I said, I'm gonna ask about this. You're going to know immediately because I'm going to ask him when and wear. If he doesn't describe the room, he's lying. Right. Good point. Right. And he came in and he said, I remember sitting in Harvard, they brought all of these. Eggs in and they were talking about fertilization and he said, I remember listening to the guy and just watching him talk. And I kinda got a little movie moment of fuzzy, and I'm thinking, wait a minute. This is life. We're in a different world. Now I believed him. She can't tell me anything right? And I do think, unfortunately, you have the Twitter trolls that have gone after her saying, well, why did she wait thirty six years? Or why did she wait thirty years? I mean, having had friends and family matters that members that have experienced severe sexual trauma specifically in their adolescent. I kind of understand and get that they would suppress it and keep it quiet and be especially for women. It's it's incredibly embarrassing, and you have self guilt, and there's all these, even when you tell the truth, you still your relations and there's all which isn't unfortunate problem that society still needs to deal with. And so there's all of these issues around sharing what happened to you and getting to the bottom of it and. And making sure that the Justice is served so I, but it really bothered me. That was the one thing in the story that I think when people on the right were a little too quick to jump the gun be like, well, it's been thirty six years and she kept her mouth shut all this time. So shame on her, the remote. There's, I think there's. I think we have to be fair. Imagine, well, you don't even have to imagine what they said about one Nita Broadway, you know politics and there are those people that cloud, the mind with politics. It's not getting us anywhere. It's just turning us into monsters. It doesn't matter whose side you're on the other side. The whole thing could be flipped and he'd have those same trolls on the other side who are defending him now would be tearing Merrick, garland apart and tearing her defending Merrick, garland, tearing her apart, feel like we're going to move on. But I feel like this is a good time to just bring up while we're talking about this. You can get addicted to outrage now. No, that was out. Yeah. Gum completely forgotten. All right. So eat at arby's Michael, this this story today really struck me right now not far from here, Long Beach, right in California. You can go to tattoo parlor. This'll be paid for all by arby's and get arby's logo tattooed on your flesh forever for free. You don't get anything for it. You just get a tattoo of arby's on your flesh for free. This follows a major campaign in Russia, just this month where they said, if anybody is going to tattoo the Domino's logo on their body, we'll give you free pizza for life. This was supposed to run for two months. They ended it after three days because they would have gone bankrupt. All of these Russians doing and it's not that surprising in a nine Listrik culture like Russia that how many suicide games are named after Russia, major one, you know, but this is true of of Americans now to this is true. I've noticed this with American millennials, everybody has a tattoo, Instagram, -able. It has to be Instagram -able. This is why I don't have enough hours nearly forty percent of millennials have some sort of tattoo. It used to be just convicts and marines head tattoos. Now it's everybody. I saw a guy once in New York. He had a tattoo. It said a four letter word. The begins with s. Cray on his finger that. What is it? What what does the tattoo I have. I will say while while you're doing that, I do. I count in this because I do have a tattoo, but it's not Instagram. -able. What does the to say on purpose rodeo project. Pro pro pro. Dale proprio. Pro familiar? Yeah. Now that's a good tattoo tattoo that says a four letter word. The begins with s. Cray or an orb Linda. Kind of tattoo I might to for the curly fries for the. You know, one of the the number one metric on Al them's figuring out whether or not you are a conservative. Have you eaten at arby's? Really, really they say that almost no liberals arby's. So in California, they're going to probably not having a lot of tape really through sonic would be another judge of that too. And I'm sure a lot of it has to do with graphically the location of, will it some cheddar peppers? Can you brought it. Excess. We'll know for next time the Orbis slogan is we have the meats and they have little drawings of animals on their on their bags. So I see how that attracts conservative, but I do want there does seem to be actually ties in with this brand new book that's just out. Heard about this Glenn book. I think there is this aspect of millennial culture which is so nihilistic that would slap Domino's right on your arm to get some free pizza were were robbed of meaning, and so we just treat politics. It's religion. We treat every little thing on Twitter, like it's a religious devotion. Unlike your tattoo, which is actually about religion actually is about meaning that I don't know how to get that back. And I think the culture's just careening the more and more we had in that direction. Well, thank you. Glenn Jin here for the doom and gloom. Linpac is coming line to talk about the right path forward and to make fun of the people standing in the way he might not be able to save the country, but at least we can all go down laughing, Glenn Beck line the addicted to outreach toured on tour this fall. Got a lot more to get into here at the daily wire HQ. But before we do that one, I think our sponsor I target pro. Aiding to try it. This shooter shooters. Okay. 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There is no such thing as an income tax being from Oklahoma. I don't know. Don't know it down. There has to be some Red River rivalry just can't like flee their flow wonderfully. I wanna shoot my gun. I don't wanna pay taxes. It sounds great. I wanna go to this mythical land. All right. Well, then you guys listen, you can save ten percent right now on target pro. You can use offer code news that is I target pro dot com. Aleisha Google China. This is absolutely terrifying. So as I'm sure most of your audience knows understands, freedom of speech doesn't really exist. There. You know the stuff that the chat we've been having about criticizing democratic senators here in the United States this week regarding Kavanagh does not happen in China. In addition to that, of course, there's been the recent crackdown of Christians there which is very concerning and they're going to be starting this very black, mirror type social grading system. Well, my concern is in, sorry, if I'm a little like anti like deep state conspiracy theorist here for moment, but join me and cross conspiracy corner that they're going to be utilizing technology that they're working on with Google too. To start monitoring their citizens. And apparently the search engine that they're working to create will of course not allow certain things to be searched, words to be searched, and everyone will have a user log in that is connected directly to their address and phone number. So the communist regime will be able to track down on these people and what they've been researching what could possibly go wrong, though this this goes with their project cult, sharp ice which was a, which is a Mao term time. Everybody had sharp is to watch each other. Now, the state is doing it now in, I think it's Beijing is the first city to complete it, major city to completed pretty shirts, Beijing there, three rings of the city, and there's the the outer ring. And that gives you kind of the level of security probably of New York City of being on camera. The secondary ring is much more. More. It's like a souped up London, the interior ring. Literally, you are on camera all times. In fact, people who are in government who visit there are told if you want privacy. It's in the bathroom in the shower, and you're gonna have to turn off the lights because they'll even see you there. They, they put somebody out into the inner ring and China did. And then when they turn this thing on, they said, find this person twelve minutes and he was in the back of a squad car. Whoa, that's that's a city with millions of people, twelve minutes. He was in the back of a squad car. Unbelievable. So Google has sold their souls to the devil. Yeah, and it's kind of disconcerting because of course, we all remember that tech versus government kind of argument that occurred here after the awful sin burgundy terror attack. And I actually despite the fact that I wanted to know more information and believed that there was a terrorist cell involved in that orders shooting understood apples perspective of, no, we're not going to unlock this iphone just so you can see what's inside of it. And so you had bigger companies and Google, I think at the time backed them. So you had larger bay area company saying, we're not going to do this because of the right to privacy and the Bill of rights that protects us and our users, etcetera. A little then and they head attorneys, and they feel you never gun gung ho about it. But now you know, if helps the bottom line a little bit, we're willing to infringe understandably. China does not have the same, beautiful constitution that we have. But if it's going to be a policy in one country, I'd like to think that they're also adhering to that policy and other. Here's what's really interesting. The Google, the people in Google. You know, all all up in arms that Google was going to provide cloud space or the US government. They do not want to get into bed with the US government, but they will get in bed with the Chinese government. That is to me, terrifying terrifying the we are in a race for AGI. Now whoever gets that wins, China is pushing to get that the the companies here in America. Really the leader in it is probably Google. I'm just uncomfortable with Google having that as I am the United States government or the Chinese government. I don't trust anybody anymore, and it's not good. It is a real fear. You know, we always hear about the multinational corporations from the fringes of the left and the right. This is the danger. This is the real danger when Inc has no loyalty to its own country. And when it can concentrate that sort of power in its own hands that is just as greater threat to liberty as it would be. If if our own government we're doing well, there was a crappy, Tom Hanks movie l. about that. Attention. That is the frustrating thing because you know, you look at Google and even if you were to say, you know what? That's the those principles are messed up. I can't believe that they would sell out to China. What are you gonna do stop using them. I mean, they're so big that it you can't use a tent. Yeah, so you can't put it win. Where is that RV. Really quickly. So the new spending Bill is out and the Bill was approved. Ninety three to seven in the Senate, it's going to the house ahead of a September. Thirtieth deadline to avoid a government shutdown, and Trump is really upset because there is no money for border security and the wall in this Bill. So he tweeted out. I want to know where is the money for border security and the wall in this ridiculous spending Bill. And where will it come from after the midterms? Dem's obstructing law enforcement and border security Republicans must finally get tough, Michael. I thought that Mexico is gonna pay for the wall. I'm waiting for Mexico to Sturt schilling for the wall. This law by tweet is I think this does show the weakness of the public facing reality TV, star president. I think there's a lot of good that comes from that. I really do think it helps shape the culture helps us cut through the media. LBJ didn't use Twitter when LBJ was twisting arms and the Senate and in the house he didn't. He didn't use Twitter person nation AM. Yeah, right. Hoti question that, right? Exactly. What's your take on that? At least I kind of Michael, there won't be the, hopefully it's less time. It happened. But I think that additionally Trump needs to own up to promises that he's made that he cannot deliver. And maybe someone is a tad too proud to admit this. Yes. From no, no, wait, wait, wait, but I disagree this is not Trump's responsibility Trump was to to show the will of the American people and then set the direction. This is congress in true. Any did campaign on saying, I'm going to make Mexico Bilbao while I'm going to make Mexico pay for the wall, you believe that your a dope. I'm just saying he said it. Believes it. Yeah, I do think that there's a part of him that thinks this can be done in the Republicans are keeping me from doing. Real quick. We're gonna take we. We can talk about when we come back. Up next enjoy bonus overtime content from the news in white matters available exclusively for podcast listeners and blazed premium subscribers become a premium subscriber at the blaze dot com slash subscribe. Before we continue the conversation about Trump promises made and kept wanna. Thank our sponsor ministerial. Minnesota is of course they've got the wild rice from the north woods of Minnesota doc likes to say the north woods and Minnesota, but we're not really sure how north woods is in fact, edible, don't really want to try to taste it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, no, but the good news is the wall. 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So we could really use your so ten percent of the proceeds will go to mercury one in the Nasreen fun. All you have to do is go to blaze wild rice dot com. And use the promo code help ten, Michael. I want to let you finish what you were saying after before when we were talking about Trump and making the promises and keeping the deal yet, you know, this president actually has kept many more promises than I thought he would even the ones I didn't want him to his right. He'll never do that. Does it. So only when I thought he would do with the wall, no, no, tearing the tariff. Oh, the Tara. I was kept saying on the air. He's not going to any of this except the terrorists areas about he's done. A lot of things that I Israel never will happen worse. Wow. Was that the judges have been good? We'll see how Mr. cavenaugh does, but he has made a lot of. I just wish that he were a little more had more of a personal touch on the hill in the Senate. And in Congress, working with people. Yeah, look if not working with people got us a lot of good stuff. I'm fine with that. But I think you know, you gotta take the man's weaknesses with his strength more years two. And I'm I think he's going to be reelected. Especially if things continue the way that they are regarding the economy excetera if things go is the way they are. I think he's going to be Charles. The second dissolved parliament. He's going to be emperor for life. For many reasons, but I think that we have we've maybe he has six years left right to on a minimum. He's got to learn to work with people that don't have the same last name. He's never going to do that. So here's the so so here's my question to you. You just said, you think he's got another four years. Six as long as the economy continues. First of all. I mean, we're on the longest bull run of bull run in the history of probably the entire planet. However, we also have, I think, the Democrats they're going to, they're going to take the house if they take the house. Is there any way you see that they don't impeach not remove with the Senate, but they don't file the papers of impeachment and actually impeach this president. The first thing you know. Derryl professor Dershowitz says there must be a legal basis for the for impeachment and I don't know what they're going to get him on legally and I don't look. We know Democrats are not treating this as a legal matter they're running. Their candidates are in their Twitter hashtag impeach hashtag resist. So it seems like they'll impeach. But you know, I think President Trump has learned the lessons of his lifetime of the nineties. Impeachment did not seem to hurt Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton seemed to benefit in many ways politically from impeachment. We are not sitting in the nineteen nineties. This country is under attack from every angle. I think if they impeached without any evidence, remember there was evidence on Bill Clinton. You read Bob? Yeah, I was just was somebody I had a meeting just a few minutes ago and and I'm meeting with this group of people and they're all very, very liberal course. California. And one of them says, don't hold this against me, but I'm reading Bob Woodward's book and I said, good. I read Bob Woodward's book. Have you gotten to the end yet? He said, no. And I said, oh, you're going to be interested in the last chapter last chapter Trump. It's very clear. Nothing happened with Russia. They have nothing and that's Bob Woodward. So you know, nut lines though. Definitely. So you've you've had a press that has been telling you one thing that wasn't true. They have politicians who are saying, we're gonna peach. We're going to impeach. We're going to impeach. We're gonna peach. They're all geared for you to impeach when you get in, how do you not impeach and if you do impeach, how do we not add to the chaos that is going to, I think dislodge between the tariffs and impeachment you have a good chance of stopping the heart of this economy you could. I mean, fortunately today the Dow jumped again, it seems investors are still playing it safe. They don't think the tariffs are going to lead to some trade war, but who knows when you're at the when you're when you're on the longest bull run in history, come down that's has to come to eventually it has to the two issues specifically that women tend to vote for our economic security and actual physical security and something else that Trump has done an okay job of is making sure that. This is no longer in the headlines. And so I think that a couple years ago specifically during the twenty sixteen campaign, there was this fear and concern of of homegrown terror. And what where is this was you had the FBI at the time at the end of twenty fifteen saying that they were ongoing ice investigations in all fifty states. Those have definitely pared down and he's done a lot to increase national security as well. So even if there's an issue with the financial side of that security, the physical security, I think matters a lot of Americans. All right. March for our lives co founder Cameron Caskey he has quit March for our lives. Yeah, I know I wanted to end this on kind of a good note, right? It's yeah, it's a little light in the darkness. So he has regrets about some things. He said, let's watch when March for life went on this tour embarked on. I met that person in Texas who's got out Matic weapon. That's they liked to protect family. Fifty, some odd percent of women who are pro-life, even though I thought that it was preposterous that a woman could be pro-life, not pro it time. I learned that. Our issues politically come from a lack of understanding the perspectives, and and also just the fact that so often young young, conservative young liberal, we'll go into debate, like I said earlier, trying to beat the other one as opposed to come to an agreement. And then you know, that's not important for things to be competitive because I think competition is very important for everything, but it comes to a point where all we're doing right now is Dr each other apart. I mean, the people who who were okay with Trump will now forgive him for anything and the people who didn't like Trump will pretend to every single thing he does is pure utter evil, and and it's a direction we need to. We need to have away from. So I'm working on efforts to encourage bipartisanship or at least discussion that is not that productive and help a lot of people, the mistakes that I make that he read here buck. You know what he is unbelievable. It's unbelievable because if you notice what he said there was, I met some people who were that. Had you know, the four, the or the four for for home protection. I met a woman and I couldn't believe that she was pro pro-life, but she was. So what does that imply that the people that he met were not in front yelling names at him, his calling him names, pointing fingers, yelling, holding signs of aborted babies. This was somebody who somehow or another got to him who is reasonable. And he was open enough, which is also the other part of the. Miraculously, but they're out there. He they, they approached him correctly. He was the right one and you've just changed the heart of the guy who started the March. That's phenomenal. I do think that there's an element of sometimes people can be so trapped in their bubbles. And then there's like this a Hommant. I think that history specifically speaks to why on both sides of the aisle. We should not be idolizing too many young people and seeing them as the future of the movement or listening with bated breath to every little policy idea that they have because there is some wisdom biblical principle that comes with age, and I am definitely. I've been political my whole life and involved in politics of media for very long time as well. But I at eighteen understood. I didn't expect a forty year old parent to listen to what I had to say over their life experience. And I think that maybe it sounds like he was surrounded by all these loud noises and had that moment of, is this the team that I really want. To be on and how much of a this actually have. You know, I really like this kid in particular. I got to meet him actually about a week ago. He was coming through town, and the thing that really struck me about him is that he acts his age, and that sounds like damning with faint praise. He, he acts like people, his age should act, which is that they don't know everything. They don't know much of anything. There is some humility there. There's asking questions saying, how can I have not met a young person who has that sort of attitude, the attitude that he's embodying in that speech and they're in that that talk with FOX radio. I have not probably met even one other in his generation. It's really impressive. Gives me a little hope for the future. I think we should end it there because there is not not too often on the show and we end with a dose of optimism. So really quickly the blaze y comment for today and podcast listeners. Remember, you can be tweeting us your questions or comments using the hashtag, the blaze. Why is the spot of Glen on Glenn Beck's hand from cigar won the. The backstage shore again, made someone very upset so it is. It is a burn, but it's from Ben. He didn't like some of the things I was saying and. It'd be that either that or I write with a stupid fountain pan. This is all right without all right, really quickly. 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Jade Eggs & World Peace

"Love Dumb people town I'll tell people town plus it's everything you already love about dumb people town with some special benefits to not only will be townies towns citing news to share with you is already started we are launching a members only version of No they're not and then got out and moved to San Diego always wanted to live in San Diego State when I lived in Phoenix I used to come out to San Diego I can't believe update bench Hausky is back and much more I'm your host ag and with me today or Jordan Coburn Hello and Amanda Reader Love Welcome back Cenex until I was eighteen or nineteen and then Los Angeles to try to be an actress for six minutes six minutes net I join some people let me do this but when I was like fifteen sixteen seventeen would drive out here for the summer and stay at this place rate across right behind the Jack in the box and Hillcrest it's called the Friendship Hotel last night joined the navy and went to Orlando and Boston sponsor your rally South Carolina other places that are top secret that's no idea I've like very few member delirium infant delirium a great it's a great post rock band yes in delirium and welcome to the daily beans for Tuesday October Twenty Second Twenty nine thousand nine today Mitt Romney is Pierre Delicto a ruling in the godfather clip in the stone trial to redacted Oh you did you have fun had so much fun visiting my hometown Vegas Vegas hometown aware you grew up yet when when did you live there hillary when you live there I was about and I would stay there was like eighteen dollars a night and then I go to Soho Tea and coffee on university and I would read Tarot cards and play Guitar and if I made eighteen dollars that day I would names in the mode reporter revealed the D. 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Fingerprint Act the McCarthy Victory Fund and Russia Parnasse makes bail and plead not guilty a cabinet meeting goes off the rails McCain I double check myself I don't want to go ahead and say that McCain tried to block MLK day when he might have actually tried to make it happen but Arizona did yeah and that's enough the best part is you'll have that sweet sweet satisfaction knowing you're supporting our show dumb people Tom Plus is available on our favorite podcast APP and it is my opinion get all that extra stuff once you do it now yes our loyal listeners we love you townies his widow bump it up to the next level cool yeah what a sticker up all before five all before five I know that's bananas all of it I was just an infant nearly riem thousands six wow that's the only reason I off very racist second-half who how racist you have to be to argue against a holiday I get my I get all my podcast I love Himalayas all you have to do is download the Himalayas App that's h. m. a. l. a. y. a. in search Ford I five until eighteen in before you were five were you in Vermont I was when I was in Boston I wasn't granted bay and then I was in Vegas Yeah Columbus Day sale everything must go God is America the worst and did you hear trump say that thanks for the cure yeah there's this ban that they too are called the infinite sad or something like that and I'm like yeah that's infinite delirium yeah I was in Akron Tila was eight and then dumb people town then click become a member is just five dollars a month and you can join up and get those episodes early them at freak at extra content that's what we want you again and now that we're leaving having carrying signs that say we love the US people shame on trump and just throwing these rotten tomatoes and rocks at it was a good deal yeah he's a good experience gear and more liberal than Arizona. Oh Yeah I can't imagine why I wanted to get out of Arizona so bad especially blatantly talked about ethnic cleansing that Turkey needs to go in and clean it out and I was like Oh my God oh that just left the worst taste in my mouth ever the other night and I was usually there for most of the summer that's so fun yeah that's cute my friends sneak me into a like number one fifth and we would go watch like drag shows and stuff it was read every yes we have our small pack or carry blankets. We're going to be in Boston on November seventh and we have a meet and greet that's happening we have a meet and greet at city winery and the day of the show on thirsty breath go to Himalayas search that Himalayas APP download it it's free listening all your podcast Himalayas then become a member people town at five dollars a month and is like requiring people show their documentation you just pull them over and ask for their papers that was in our Pyeho joint and then of course we were one of the last states to add Martin Luther and watching the videos today of the troops leaving and the Kurds throwing rotten tomatoes and like they showed back video when we got there and they were like yea and celebrating King Day to the calendar it wasn't until two thousand six what a hill to die on and McCain was trying to die on that hill so it's just interesting came yeah he was part of that on the day of the show on Thursday we're having a second bonus VIP meet and greet and patrons people who are subscribers to our patriotic get first dibs on those tickets and back then especially in the Joe Arpaio days And Evan Mecum days but that's you know that's how it was that was a Democrat but he was recalled yeah Arizona actresses murderer everybody mattress sale celebrating white supremacy with like colonialism's night's sleep used to be a pretty place that we drive through on road trips from Vegas because it was not too far you know but got a bad rep really fast me because they were like one of the first states to institute yeah like off like against day yet for Harley reductive way of referencing the holiday my apologies but just for the people who are racist anyway and can't shut weekend yes and that is going to be happening on our panelists the twenty seventh Sunday at one PM Anjouan banks is going to be the convoys that were abandoning raced broke my heart to watch that I heard they're not even coming home they're going to western Iraq yeah they're going to Iraq and then of course to Saudi Arabia yeah just a gross and we do have a lot of news wanted to tell you about her upcoming events You know our sister podcasts muller she wrote comes out Sundays at six thirty coach smallpox blankets interested in them I totally stole that from where did I steal from Comedy Death Ray okay so yeah joining us we might have some other surprise guests we tend to run into people and be like hey come on up and they do last last year we had Cameron Caskey for March for alive would cool Huda Coogan added Oak and then in San Francisco brand I think Beta brand and and they're small just cocktail events with you know twenty thirty people and and his something about how in in a press conference when he was talking about the Kurds in Syria and he's like they have to go and clean it all out did you hear that you just the fuck up about it yet somehow defend Columbus Day oh my God yeah I saw a mattress store at the end of Day Columbus Day sale this is only lived in this day just walk in and steal all the and I'm GonNa be making those live on Wednesday so if you're hearing this on Tuesday that's tomorrow if you're a Patriot in your in your hearing this on Monday evening Wednesday morning US recording in studio we're going to maybe upgrade the podcast studio I'm not quite sure maybe we'll have the podcast in here I want to make some gals they're being paid to guard oilfields and Lindsey Graham was like I'm glad we're bringing the oil into it and I'm like what right 'cause Lindsey Graham depressed play court you'll get to see those kind of events yeah happening so Agassi village that's where like Msnbc was and everything I don't think it's that you know what we'll have to check the huge ones were on that little hallway area and this is of course now I don't know if we're talking about that in the show but apparently he flopped now in his supporting trump on the Syria pull out yeah yeah Kinda that's what he was getting the I that's not in the script so it's good that we brought it up now percents to it though so but not me personally you're gonNA see me in my jammies with bedhead that's just how it's going to be and I smelled my armpits before we accounting at some point we were going to combine the Sunday muller she wrote and Monday beans. We're not going to do that we're gonna I I learned a new word delegate Asu an amazing so smart just smart and funny and and then at two fifteen I think we have a meet and greet in the in the POLITICA- on soon Hello uh-huh you'll see how my hands are always like pressed against some kind of cotton just soak it all up and I think it was in delegated me ingredients we are on the democracy village stage so it's the meet-and-greet closest to that area oh we're on the biggest stage at sweet so yeah we're on the nations hot so close to the Canadian border gave me some of that good cheese Curd Shit so thank you so much for those suggestions I list I mean politically like we're all sort of the same ilk but to be able to like hand something off to somebody and be cool with it is something I'm working on that's me that's me stuff and and we just all hang out and talk it's really really fun and then inevitably we all end up at some karaoke bar at the end of the night no promises promises. I don't know how Boston is because anybody who works part-time or more for US gets the option of having health benefits and we're going to keep those two shows separate and going housekeeping staff you probably like all right this is the news and let's let's you know let's get to it we thought notes hot notes it's nice that's what people are going to get which is a hard hard word for me I know that a lot of you guys can girls everybody between can relate to that because right near Nashville come and hang out with us a politican come see our panel for sure another reason to become a patron we're going to start a video feed not a live feed but we're going to show videos surge was that we were at last time yeah yeah that's a big ass stage yeah those goods phone we're SORTA around the corner and near the restrooms the last time we did a handle there is when it's going live you'll get first dibs so if you WANNA have first dibs on those tickets become a patron your day and you will get tips to our bonus meet-and-greet and they're fun like in Seattle carryover trying to get some chowder oh go o no so many a hell yes wicked shouting agenda people have also sent me a lot of Putin recommen- The flavor all goes in bureau put it in bureau bloopers episodes coming soon which I I wasn't I'm just not able to handle writing shows writing ad copy recording everything doing the outlines every week the same place it's not an L. 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Convention Center Democracy Village could be by the restaurant and I might talk shit stop by after I'll be there damage seventh is sold out you can still get tickets to the main show which are available on our website at Mojo Shura dot com slash calendar but if you didn't get a spot to the meet and greet in your line of fire breath if you become a patron and you won't hear that unless you are a patron hearing the bloopers episodes back in three two one I kinda WanNa leave it all in you gotta give a shit yeah let's see how it sounds it sounds it could be bad if it reflects poorly on me I'll let you be we'll get you will get five days of daily beans and plus one episode of more she wrote every week so video plus video plus merch things yeah there's thank you the junior had testified to the grand jury notice redacted but no that was not the case as it turns out Don mcgann also did not testify to the grand jury leads hard that's a hard success critical critical beings all right so anyway here are my thoughts on Don mcgann we've talked from the Muller report if you remember last week judge barrel how told the Department of Justice they were redacted improperly because they weren't protected by grand jury secrecy because they never testified his hairy ear or something yeah but anyway if you think about it it would make sense to interview him again outside of the walls of the grand jury which they did for over and but now but now people are like let let me help you and that was a great let me pay you and so first of all you're patriots goes towards that and also health benefits that's your thing and it's an awesome patron perk yep yeah I think so too neat and you automatically patron of both shows so yeah all right enough of the a grand jury and then the DOJ release the names and their Don Jr. Don mcgann couple of dawn's and now and then it occurred to me as I was writing this there's a lot of and we know that Muller new on day one he was knocking to indict the president because of the office of Legal Counsel memo saying what the decide what you know gifts you get our newsletter a premium news which has our research notes and all the articles that we reference so that you can see we're not totally bullshit and what else there's just a lot of stuff also get early access to our ad free beans episodes you save already daily being the night before yeah and you're GonNa mad free you get it around a lot of people were mad that he decided to do that a lot of people took it out on us like we're somehow the pope for the investigation we talked to him directly every day thirty hours so as not to break the rules governing the utilization of a grand jury and they can do it more secretively to if you subpoenaed mcgann to testify before the grand in that you can't you can't indicting president and you can agree or disagree with the memo that that's that's what he decided and I know that he was one of our guests but I had put together why and I didn't really have like hard beans on it I was thinking more dylan and porter hoppy it's hard means around we try to get at Brown nine thirty PM. PS T. so if you're not on the west coast sorry it's pretty late for you but you do get it you do get it the night before everyone else which is awesome and you get an ad free episode of it and claimed attorney client privilege when it came to the Roger Stone's stuff although that wouldn't cover that because it was pre inauguration so I'm I'm not quite clear owns case was handed off eventually and he might have testified to that grand jury about stone but mcgann also just might have been reticent to testify about that stuff and being questioned about obstruction of justice but it does make you wonder like why he wasn't questioned for other stuff yeah I do it's interesting because my y mcgann didn't testify to the grand jury about what he knew regarding Roger Stone which he may have been able to claim attorney client privilege for however St what about several times that how the grand jury rules pretty pretty clear we know that a grand jury can't be used unless it's in the pursuit of criminal charter my Boyfriend Ryan he's he cares about politics in news obviously but he sees not constantly intellect I am and when this headline came out he was confused as I'm sure a lot of people in the country not to be worshiped yes we have candles rosaries and we love Muller and that's fun and that's Kitschy and that's interesting and I do think that he is going to historically be one of the more important figures if not John's in the Crime Don's close to Deng for my liking meow or yeah or the dawn of a some sort of crime family so now we had suspected from confused as to why this is such a big deal why it's such a huge headline and it's interesting seeing the fallout also on twitter from people who are he could have been blocked from testifying to the grand jury had he been subpoenaed so it might it might have been work around for that as well but it does beg the question ages right and mcgann was a key figure in obstruction of which trump was the target the that was the only people they were looking at for obstruction of justice was trump could he and he you know just citing the cowering behind the LLC memo and it's just it's very interesting to me this spectrum of reactions that there are just pretend yeah and then also his testimony is what kicked off the impeachment. What I call the kickoff the impeachment inquiry when the Oversight Committee asked for the four I could not saved my sanity because I mean we have been really clear from the not from public reporting that junior didn't testify to the grand jury because he had taken the fifth and Muller alluded to that and the mole report I have thought there were some clues in the report that indicated Very Don Donald Trump would know about that and maybe be able to suborn perjury or intimidate the witness and also Geico but from at least I don't know most of this year and going into last year that Muller was not going to save us all he was not to be put on a pedestal suber experts I saw you get called out a jeep people saying that you know Muller Muller has fucked us all and he didn't you know didn't question these people have one of the most important figures in this situation because without him we wouldn't have had the knowing and willfully thing covered for people who can't right here but there's a lot of different avenues this could take I personally think that it's because of the grand jury stuff meaning you have to be pursuing charges and mcgann was I mean this is how we find support this is how we cope through creativity and humor and things like that to believe in someone like saying you know we had a podcast about Charles Manson and then being like I thought boy was awesome like when something bad happened with Charles Manson injury materials under Article One powers of impeachment and those are the grand jury materials from Muller and then also we have multiple obstruction of justice charges and a map to to get to amy tiny piece of the Pie Watch the pizza video if you haven't seen it yet we have some released McCabe documents now these aren't from Reggie Walton that's the veteran judge to this headline alone and I thought to myself I well I can respond to each and every one of these people individually and tell them why I think yeah I definitely think how you described it a couple minutes ago is good kitschy I think you said has a word yeah it's it's like we've had a lot of fun I mean we're looking at a rosary candle right here that smolar the SS molar unfortunately it was pay hand mouth inflated one not structurally about you know one of the Wall Street Journal Communications but but since crew requested all documents related to the firing of McCabe they've been coming out on what's called a rolling basis that means sound as it could have been probably hit like oh I don't know ballpoint pen along the way kind of slowly deflated and then Ukraine gauges edge of it but if it sounds good then keep it nothing nothing reflects poorly three to one so late last night we found out who those two redacted names were them which are Mo mo if they're not included in the articles of impeachment I'll be like okay now what the fuck button so treatment of four people right bank against in total that they're subpoenaing documents pertaining to that they have the documents for any certify that was brought to you by all addition Mac edit this up no well sitting there truly thinking I'm obsessed with Robert Mueller I'm going to make this candle on my own accord in the absence of this podcast who is also had fun tongue about you know it's just like and yes yeah and we know there are many other problems with the way he was fired from McCabe lawsuit itself including the fact that sessions who fired him was not authorized to fire him in this vast ocean of corruption we have little liferafts that we come across and one of them was named the SS hand in for discovery to the courts not that these fifty accounts somehow are owned and operated across across these people it yeah they are used by race for people so we'll now but now we have emails showing that the firing of McCabe was fast tracked which we knew from citizens for responsible the responsibility and ethics in Washington or crew and these Docs were released last week and we cover one of the emails that showed McCabe did tell Komi we know that trump's goal was to get him fired to lose his pension it was it was retaliatory in nature and we didn't I just wanted you know if you you've been listening to long enough you know that we aren't like Muller butlers it's just it's not it's not what we do on top of it for what's been done to his reputation and career all the people that can be added to that list of names that deserve defamation damages the yeah Yup fricking crazy discovery is so voluminous that it's being released on this rolling basis because they have milk terabytes of millions of documents fifty bank accounts for four and we get them and sometimes that like discovery sometimes happens on a rolling basis and that's exactly what's happening in the left part and eager firm in case it's the they do have amazing patterns and colors and I take one with me or I take them all actually with me on every trip because they pack and travel so well you can't wrinkle them if you try plus there is comfortable as yoga fall funny phrase aren't playing too much call of Khufu but that they ignored a rule that says you must be give you must give the person a thirty day notice of the action but that would have put his firing well past his retirement date and so I stand for him to McCabe will not be convicted of a crime he will win his wrongful termination lawsuit and his pension will be fully restored and that's what he deserves so I also who gets damages releasing exclusive episodes only available to members dom people town plus episodes will be ad free and available earlier for members than anyone else a good go to business meetings go to cocktail hour I can put on heels or flats they're just totally versa versatile super comfortable and perfectly stretchy so you don't have to sacrifice style for work where he ruled that he told the Department of Justice to charge McCabe or drop the case or he's going to release the F. 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I'm trying to think well first off associates and how we were and we were all surprised when he was nominated last year because he ripped Alpha-bank we're like that's a weird conflict of interest for Rosenstein That's the new DAG so w turney general so that could explain how bar knows you know that Giuliani was under investigation and so was you think is happening with bench Caskey I got I'm fifty fifty at this point I it could be both it could be that is trying to make him stop the investigation into for Tash or at least curtail his extradition is on hold right now the Austria said he could be extradited and for some reason he is not being extra aw because he said in that 'cause actually Giuliani said with his words about that meeting with bench cow ski I have to talk to you about a very very sensitive client who Deutsche Bank defenses where they're like the highest person at the top is just like I don't know how trump ground all those loans it was all these people below me that were heading those activties maybe it's something like that in the Department of Justice that's going on yeah or or you know when when bound cousy met with Giuliani maybe he didn't think that that would go public and where Ivan Drago but no sorry eleven and four but Rosen and venture Hausky might not have known they might not have been read in on it or later but so it could be both more Mullah referral and bench cousy is lying to cover up the fact that he knows about it but the Giuliani Act and especially since muller was still doing the Miller report and you're headed criminal division somebody who ripped alpha-bank which is being investigated by Mueller Okay that sounds weird well bench cows ah it is a more Giuliani Muller referral because now we're seeing this stuff go back to as far as twenty fifteen with a Parnis and I'll get into that a little bit kind of quiet since he was supposed to flee to Vienna community it I don't know I haven't looked but I I have I have heard if he did yeah I wonder if it's one of those like what if he knew going in meeting with didn't tell people under investigation yeah okay yeah yeah and so that might be the motive do you know win. Giuliani became aware that he was under investigation. I don't remember like anything that would designate when that was exactly in the timeline I don't either I know that new Guiliani in love Parnasse in eager for under investigation and then after everyone found out about the meeting that's when he's like oh I didn't know I had no idea because it would look mccallion was asked back in February I- Giuliani makes it look like he didn't realize until they were arrested very recently and somebody said the News said I was under investigation so he's acting like it's just right now but also you might not know you're under allegation if they're doing a really good investigation because you're the target they're not going to question you but you would have to presume that if they questioned people close to you like like I love and and eager who are turning out to plead not guilty I think and not be cooperative that they would have told Giuliani unless you're go ahead no go ahead no no go ahead before that the last time he tweeted about anything political was on the sixteenth so five days ago you know what I'm saying so he's really quiet right now it's unlike him although he does go dark they just checked Giuliani's twitter page and he's hasn't tweeted in three days which I feel like as long for him and the last thing tooted about the Yankees about baseball okay tale so he met the conditions of his bail he has said he will plead not guilty God is on my side so no cooperation at this time doesn't seem God is on my side the opposite of Mass Oh God let's see if equals MC squared. I would be so pissed off I was like a good Christian so you just have to say here and listen to all these fucking idiots and criminals and morally bankrupt people in site the name of the person that you you know cooperation agreement out of these four Korea Kukushkin what'd you say eleven or eager then I don't think thera minds me of them this morning I was watching an interview with the women on democracy now who's an eighty year old nun who thinks it's her like religious mission if you will to yeah like a bat at all checks out and speaking parts like I said he finally made bail he was the last Guy Duchess speaks whatever the opposite volumes speak so lowly matter Johny as long for this freedom yeah arrested sorry about have been wrong before rarely we've had on the show we think about it so anyway I imagine Johnny's arrest is imminent if they're not going to try to get it so he's a line in a little while women's name was Liz mcallister and she broke into a nuclear base essentially so that was her name She's eighty years old get over in the middle of the lease was because the woman who occupied it before broke up with her boyfriend and decided that she needed to cleanse steam cleanse her genitalia it's paid for himself so what does God think about this who knows tweet us God you take away nuclear weapons she she was protesting and got arrested somewhere on the east coast for like protesting a nuclear reactor site Yeah well that's cool I think that's what it was but yeah but that's kind of what I'm saying there are really out there who are like canonization right there should by patron saint nukes to rid itself of the bad vibes of cheating dog ex-boyfriend so she put a boiling pot of water directly on the hardwood floor in their house yeah well it happens bench caskey if he gets arrested I hope it's just going to be sitting there just averting eye contact come on him I don't know yeah sorry man Claire Technology and she was like fuck that in her gram away and say that you know what I mean h e double toothpicks on your side Parnis giving more clues of how connected to the trump family this guy is one photo back in two thousand fifteen shows imposing next to Ivana not vodka with David Korea who is one of the individuals that was indicted last week and the caption says Fraud Guarantee Powell and I know that I talk about astrology so it might seem that I'm like extremely who but I'm only medium woo woo yeah how do you feel about this I had in the I got a room. NJIT burned a hole into the crowd trying to Steam Regina China how do you feel about that negativity doc in French fries anyway now that Giuliani is the Nice adverb wise choice yeah I don't know what happened to giant angry about the floor Um yeah she did say that I don't hate everything that she says but I would never vote for someone who believes that like putting a Jada Egg Vagina is going to bring about real these so he got sleepy Weenie Leap Handy Lube for your Weiner Vaginas got the Munchies I think she was like she was like she interview she was like I am eight-year-old none and I don't think it's our right to fuck with God's creation like through nuclear weapons and that's pretty cool for this none yeah who is it didn't work Marian Williamson say that she believed it was like her divine duty right now being like you can get weed lube for your China this is why you support momentum podcast welcome to southern California it's only for vaginas though not for Dicks be ended I feel like it was last Friday but you know as I said been wrong before but shelby holiday put out a great threat on twitter and this is what I was talking about before this is the private instagram account for you like run against trump yeah like hers a seat the apple in the her spiritual Dila White House Yeah Yeah Yeah totally love trumps hate already doesn't know what's going on I think I need to make it worse mob agendas there's so many straight men and red state mm-hmm once I move till the story before on the podcast I'm quick but there was a room that I took over in a house once and the reason that I got family and then after the midterms he posted a ton of pictures of him and Giuliani smoking cigars and go into Yankees Games and touring the burnt out shell of the Notre Dame church up in counterintelligence investigation and given the fact that bar runs the Department of Justice who knows what will happen with that who knows when Giuliani's John Juliani and Freeman flying around in private jet many posted picks of fundraisers for disentis along with slide show of photos of himself with trump and members of the trump you can get we blew for your vagina now interesting just that makes sense you're in a state where it's legal cool you can get you can get your vagina high also maybe don't burn it with water my vagina pitch just weird but here's the Big One on March twenty fifth the day after bar released his misleading four page summary of the Miller report that totally miss character creating that fraud guarantee goes back to twenty fifteen which is another clue that Giuliani could have been a muller referral one of those twelve redacted referrals independence de Mul. Do you WanNa do a Nice thing for your Regina I'm GonNa be the hippy hippy lesbian voice on this podcast French fries you can get it French fries yes we've lube for your picture taken after that for sure it was posted at least after it was released the party was that night right okay Dan Yeah Art then in August Twenty fifteen there's a photo of partners with trump and Don Jr. at a campaign event in Durrell in August two thousand eighteen parnis posted a personalized at the trump hotel special guests with the trump legal team we did it everyone cheers we cheated we fixed it and and we oh that we know now that that trump pack that was funded by Parnis and fruman funded Pete sessions who's been subpoenaed along with Scott Walker fantasy link that was a thank you note a personalized thank you note from photos and Florida's and then leading up to the two thousand eighteen to twenty eighteen midterms he posted a bunch of photos of himself is molars findings by the way the day after that parnes posted a pic of a celebratory dinner with the trump legal team at the trump hotel in DC we know that Florida and notably one of the loudest voices against Impeachment Kevin McCarthy and they've all pledged to return that money since they got caught but there's news out today on Monday about new filings with the FCC Levada Soviet born US citizen with ties to Vex Berg who donated heavily to Cohen's slush fund for access to trump called essential consulting but ever sell like he's just one of several wealthy Russian making Straw donations to the inaugural on behalf foreign donors in the form of tickets to the inaugural Ukrainian money by the way he also helped Moscow Mitch earned his nickname by donning over Republican tax but not if the money is being funneled from foreign entities but he's a multi-billionaire he's worth like nineteen billion but ever but ever ever in Ukraine Ukrainian money into the inaugural into these super PACs in potentially are maybe unknowingly subjects investigations already yes nice graze doing Putin's bidding basically and that's volcanic that's this whole group a group of dudes that are now US citizens soviet-born that have been funnelling Russian miss specially him in vessel Bergh because I know that when Muller was looking into essential consulting there was a Columbus Nova which was excellent Blah cynics donations to the trump inaugural he attended with vessel Berg who may or may not have gotten tickets from Sam Patten who was convicted for that crime last year in connection with indicating that trump's legal team against the Mueller investigation also was fraud guarantee that ties Giuliani to that and that's what makes me think Giuliani is a muller he's been hearing them but ever someone to but ever frog guarantees probably one yeah yeah also frog guaranteed POW wow that was the name but could they just be continuing the investigation of him because he keeps climbing whoever is investigating him it could be that I mean that's an awful long time basically so you could stand there and have a minute to talk to him at a lot of people did that yeah we've been hearing all those names for very long time Brady had one Yeah where else McCarthy is getting his money and it's none other than bloviate Nick so just last month Whoa Vinik made a two hundred thousand dollar donation to the McCarthy Victory Fund according to the Anti like Yes let's go see the show today and the Guiliani turns into a bat belfry eating over seven million dollars to him and other Republicans like Marco Rubio and von next this is Bloomberg so now he he is a US citizen and he can donate maybe if it's not a bar blockage jack definitely sounds like something you die from what do I take a bar blockage I remember I think Cindy Yang had one where she was collecting money from Chinese businessmen to just get money for you would pay for a photo with trump this company I think five hundred thousand dollars of a donation and then another million to the inaugural and all that was just a pay for access to trump and there were several of these groups it's focus social that's their slogan and dwell that's what we say it is and he has ties to Pasta and Muller was investigated fearing elections and how far do we let it go wet legal recourse do they have in terms of him you know essentially implementing shadow foreign policy and acting and also lobbied trump and Tillerson to get reser rob off the hook who is a Turkish person so lobbied for Burl and it's been going on for a while why they haven't indicted him yet that could be a bar blockage yeah especially keeps far blockage but then I wondered to me ABC Giuliani before that we might not have what we're going through right now with this and and so that that could be part of it too although I I wonder what and and we do know that I'm sure Muller briefed Bar on the hand off stuff yeah but or maybe they haven't had eh I want that to be ashamed people can say whatever like with some sort of authority however and whatever and butter AH federal campaign second of all you cannot lobby on behalf of a foreign government without declaring it to the Department of Justice so unless he registered like how long are you like how long should we let them crime yeah right right actually tried to like make a case in court and also endanger national security and Inter in Ukraine just like Manafort was manafort worked with Tash and it's all just a big everyone knows everyone at super slimy name of sorry what was that that was the caption on the Couto on the phone okay cool Rod Guarantee Powell they also culturally appropriate so nice yeah so that now android four door you go those are the dice roll I guess when you decided to around entire societies on a man can I bet your task ethic I have some good secret we like three degrees of separation for trump three degrees of separation with corruption us to name just a few but on who does that who does that who goes in tours towards like stuff and business like only dossier which is what they're calling it and taking it around to Fox News sending it in parchment envelopes to the State Department and saying we demand meetings rickie lobbied for Ukraine one of his clients right yes without registering as a foreign agent so an and now he's lobbied for cash by taking for Toshka's seven page astray we talked about the chart we got some tweets we've got some tweets about the album chart oh everyone is connected yeah we are I I'm good at six degrees of Kevin B a foreign agent for Ukraine and Turkey now because Turkey he was trying to get Golan out as well and lobbied trump on behalf of Aragon to get Gulan out Through another holiday season taking closed mouth photos embarrassed by your smile so get your smile photo ready for the holidays with clear liners candid candidate lenders can help street in your teeth wave fast with the issue in Congress and so now he's lobbying on behalf of for Tosh for that which I guess would be lobbying 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You'll be glad you did OK this story is just weird apparently Mitt Romney has as an agent of the government overseas will the law is is that you can't be you can't lobby on behalf of a foreign entity I can't bring any money in from a foreign entity to looking gun yet so they've been able to just kind of survey him at one of those various levels we learn about McCain's book you know it could be it could be because the Ukraine stuff that we're looking at right now if they had you know what I mean all roads lead to Putin yeah just above a certain income level would agree separation in six honestly see you got money from fraud guarantee was because Romney recently admitted in a piece in the Atlantic that he had a lurker account and that's a profile under a different name that he operated in secret to monitor the political conversation and because it takes less time it costs less money usually sixty five percent less than traditional wire braces an experienced license orthodontist in your state will create your custom treatment plan the treatment of children around the world and that is situated 'cause so join me and have a photo ready smile by the holidays go to candid co dot com slash daily beans and use code in you know as they deserve it could be could be another more handoff right Yeah Yeah because we have heard his name for a long time Yeah Roger Stone I see now what's happening yeah if anyone says we we spend conspiracy theories now it'd be the time slate theorized that Pierre de Leko was Romney after they discovered one of the followers of that account was Romney's grandchild and then slates actually Feinberg found that he think of how trump accidentally called mark asper Marcus Barranco I'm like really yeah so what what is in flagrant okay directo mean according to which Mary delicto means a delight and what does influ- Koran taming that was very oath Syria was very troubling so yeah I I think it's interesting I mean I my first thought is when trump was doing that mm slash beans all lower case to twenty percent off yours millions of women agree these are the most comfortable pair of pants you'll ever wear to work that's BETA BRAND DOT COM B. 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N. means in the midst of sexual activity or in the act of committing a misdeed caught red-handed so Pierre has a liquor twitter account and he's had it since twenty eleven under the name Pierre delicto slate I started trying to find out about what accounted okay after sleep published the hypothesis McKay coppins reached out to Romney and said is that you and according to coppins Romney's only reply was a Sem wa it is almost my favorite time of year the holidays and you might think this is a little early but if you're like me the whole the Christmas lights already holidays start now and you don't want he says posts on twitter I am tag you say oh totally Deloitte go I always think of in electro which means an uncompromising sexual position I believe or naked first follower peer delectable first follower was mitts oldest son tag I thought tag was a Palin kid I was just going to say that Trig I reposted and done some interesting things on there from that account it makes it seem like he's pro impeachment and he actually said today I think Monday night he came out and said that the what was it and the new shows this cool three D. preview video so you can see how your teeth are now how they move over time and how they'll look when you're done and candidate comfortable removable and completely invisible and egg after after sweep published now I'm just going to call him grew grew Romney So an alter ego for the more you look up Directo it also sounds like a like a fake like a fictional character in a lemony snick novel and it made me going

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I don't know how Boston is it's nice that's what people are going to get you gotta give a shit yeah let's see how it sounds sounds could be bad if it reflects poorly on me I'll let you be leads hard that's a hard success critical critical beings all right so anyway here are my thoughts on Don mcgann we've talked and we know that Muller new on day one he was knocking to indict the president because of the Office of Legal Counsel memo saying what the decide what you know if you become a patron and you won't hear that unless you are a patron hearing the bloopers episodes back in three two one I kinda WanNa leave it all in what else there's just a lot of stuff also get early access to our ad free beans episodes you save already daily being the night before yeah and you're GonNa mad free you get it around in that you can't you can't indicting president and you can agree or disagree with the memo that that's that's what he decided and I know that around We try to get at Brown nine thirty PM P. 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T. so if you're not on the West Coast sorry it's pretty late for you but you do get it you do get it the night before everyone else which is awesome and you get an ad free episode of it carryover trying to get some chowder oh go o no so many a hell yes wicked shouting agenda people have also sent me a lot of Putin recommen- the junior had testified to the grand jury notice redacted but no that was not the case as it turns out Don mcgann also did not testify to the grand jury thirty hours so as not to break the rules governing the utilization of a grand jury and they can do it more secretively to if you subpoenaed mcgann to testify before the grand what about several times that how the grand jury rules pretty pretty clear we know that a grand jury can't be used unless it's in the pursuit of criminal charter a grand jury and then the DOJ release the names and their Don Jr. Don mcgann couple of dawn's and now and then it occurred to me as I was writing this there's a lot of that's your thing and it's an awesome patron perk yep yeah I think so too neat and you automatically patron of both shows so yeah all right enough of the his hairy ear or something yeah but anyway if you think about it it would make sense to interview him again outside of the walls of the grand jury which they did for over he was one of our guests but I had put together why and I didn't really have like hard beans on it I was thinking more dylan and porter hoppy it's hard means a lot of people were mad that he decided to do that a lot of people took it out on us like we're somehow the pope for the investigation we talked to him directly every day ages right and mcgann was a key figure in obstruction of which trump was the target the that was the only people they were looking at for obstruction of justice was trump and claimed attorney client privilege when it came to the Roger Stone's stuff although that wouldn't cover that because it was pre inauguration so I'm I'm not quite clear being questioned about obstruction of justice but it does make you wonder like why he wasn't questioned for other stuff yeah I do it's interesting because my owns case was handed off eventually and he might have testified to that grand jury about stone but mcgann also just might have been reticent to testify about that stuff and Y mcgann didn't testify to the grand jury about what he knew regarding Roger Stone which he may have been able to claim attorney client privilege for however st one of the most important figures in this situation because without him we wouldn't have had the knowing and willfully thing covered for people who can't right not to be worshiped yes we have candles rosaries and we love Muller and that's fun and that's kitschy and that's interesting and I do think that he is going to historically be one of the more important figures if not four I could not saved my sanity because I mean we have been really clear from the not from confused as to why this is such a big deal why it's such a huge headline and it's interesting seeing the fallout also on twitter from people who are suber experts I saw you get called out a jeep people saying that you know Muller Muller has fucked us all and he didn't you know didn't question these people have Geico but from at least I don't know most of this year and going into last year that Muller was not going to save us all he was not to be put on a pedestal my boyfriend Ryan he's he cares about politics in news obviously but he sees not constantly intellect I am and when this headline came out he was confused as I'm sure a lot of people in the country injury materials under Article One powers of impeachment and those are the grand jury materials from Muller and then also we have multiple obstruction of justice charges and a map to to get to public reporting that junior didn't testify to the grand jury because he had taken the fifth and Muller alluded to that and the mole report I have thought there were some clues in the report that indicated Very Don Donald Trump would know about that and maybe be able to suborn perjury or intimidate the witness and also could he and he you know just citing the cowering behind the LLC memo and it's just it's very interesting to me this spectrum of reactions that there are just John's in the Crime Don's close to Deng for my liking meow or yeah or the dawn of a some sort of crime family so now we had suspected from certify that was brought to you by all addition Mac edit this up no well edge of it but if it sounds good then keep it nothing nothing reflects poorly three to one so late last night we found out who those two redacted names were pretend yeah and then also his testimony is what kicked off the impeachment what I call the kickoff the impeachment inquiry when the oversight committee asked for the to this headline alone and I thought to myself I well I can respond to each and every one of these people individually and tell them why I think like saying you know we had a podcast about Charles Manson and then being like I thought boy was awesome like when something bad happened with Charles Manson amy tiny piece of the Pie Watch the pizza video if you haven't seen it yet we have some released McCabe documents now these aren't from Reggie Walton that's the veteran judge I mean this is how we find support this is how we cope through creativity and humor and things like that to believe in someone smolar the SS molar unfortunately it was pay hand mouth inflated one not structurally he could have been blocked from testifying to the grand jury had he been subpoenaed so it might it might have been work around for that as well but it does beg the question in this vast ocean of corruption we have little liferafts that we come across and one of them was named the SS them which are Mo Mo if they're not included in the articles of impeachment. I'll be like okay now what the fuck button so yeah I definitely think how you described it a couple minutes ago is good kitschy I think you said has a word yeah it's it's like we've had a lot of fun I mean we're looking at a rosary candle right here that here but there's a lot of different avenues this could take I personally think that it's because of the grand jury stuff meaning you have to be pursuing charges and mcgann was I just wanted you know if you you've been listening to long enough you know that we aren't like Muller butlers it's just it's not it's not what we do sound as it could have been probably hit like oh I don't know ballpoint pen along the way kind of slowly deflated and then Ukraine gauges discovery is so voluminous that it's being released on this rolling basis because they have milk terabytes of millions of documents fifty bank accounts for four and fall funny phrase aren't playing too much call of Khufu Nightman of four people right bank against in total that they're subpoenaing documents pertaining to that they have the documents for any where he ruled that he told the Department of Justice to charge McCabe or drop the case or he's going to release the F. 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Documents Right that's November fifteenth this is from a Foia Case of freedom of Information Act case on top of it for what's been done to his reputation and career all the people that can be added to that list of names that deserve defamation damages the yeah Yup fricking crazy but that they ignored a rule that says you must be give you must give the person a thirty day notice of the action but that would have put his firing well past his retirement date and sitting there truly thinking I'm obsessed with Robert Mueller I'm going to make this candle on my own accord in the absence of this podcast who is also had fun tongue about you know it's just like and yes yeah and we know there are many other problems with the way he was fired from McCabe lawsuit itself including the fact that sessions who fired him was not authorized to fire him about you know one of the Wall Street Journal Communications but but since crew requested all documents related to the firing of McCabe they've been coming out on what's called a rolling basis that means in this episode of the daily beans is brought to you by our friends at Beta brand who are busy making the most amazing pants ever including the dress used by race for people so we'll now but now we have emails showing that the firing of McCabe was fast tracked which we knew so I stand for him to McCabe will not be convicted of a crime he will win his wrongful termination lawsuit and his pension will be fully restored and that's what he deserves so I also who gets damages we know that trump's goal was to get him fired to lose his pension it was it was retaliatory in nature and we didn't from citizens for responsible the responsibility and ethics in Washington or crew and these Docs were released last week and we cover one of the emails that showed McCabe did tell Komi releasing exclusive episodes only available to members dom people town plus episodes will be ad free and available earlier for members than anyone else we get them and sometimes that like discovery sometimes happens on a rolling basis and that's exactly what's happening in the left part and eager firm in case it's the they do have amazing patterns and colors and I take one with me or I take them all actually with me on every trip because they pack and travel so well you can't wrinkle them if you try plus there is comfortable as yoga a good go to business meetings go to cocktail hour I can put on heels or flats they're just totally versa versatile super comfortable and perfectly stretchy so you don't have to sacrifice style for work uh no we're we're literally just reporting the facts on this and we are not friends of Charles Manson and you know what I'm not comparing Manson but you know what I mean has Nancy Pelosi and molar on it central Roberto and patron saint of shade that WanNa talk to us and it's like I don't think all the folks that send US Miller hand in for discovery to the courts not that these fifty accounts somehow are owned and operated across across these people it yeah they are pat yoga pants they have multiple styles including lied leg skinny cropped straight eight pocket pants and premium denim and they have dozens of styles and colors and patterns but no news yet on the indict him or not stuff November fifteenth is the deadline so she like reputation fingertips together weighed very well I can we'll be right back after this awkward stick around missy minute favorite are the eight pocket pants because I don't have to carry a purse and that's especially helpful when I'm traveling on the plane or leaving out of the hotel room I have four pairs now all in black that's just me but like all of their multiple accounts they're not just like account set in some way relate to the activity of these people they're like their accounts they might account presumably accounts that have been announced but with Jesse details like real buttons pockets belt loops Info Zippers and they're made a four way stretch continent fabric that breezy moves so I can wear them on the plane sit cross we can only Christopher Ray could fire him and that he technically had retired several hours before he was notified of his firing along with the rest of us by tweet yeah and to have hope in the political system yeah but and I don't think muller drop the ball did his job he was very narrowed and he's a pie whether is it came in just a giant tanker just can't just a modem three ignace and comfort at the same time you can have all three and before Beta brand I got everything off the rack and I would inevitably have to have tailored and they still pinched they didn't breathe they had itchy tags and I was just constantly aware of how uncomfortable I was and I couldn't focus on my work and that's why I started wearing Beta brands dress pant yoga pants so visit Beta brand dot com how much of a trump leaning person do you think bench Caskey is really at this point in time pretty hard so then what does trump stand to gain by him saying he was unaware of that could mean Giuliani as possibly muller referral because Rosenstein would have told bar about the referred stuff but not Jeffrey Rosen who took over guided and I'm still trying to find clarification on why that is but he's supposed to be extradited gene United States to face those BRIBERY CHARGES IN CHICAGO. I'm trying to think well first off ahead of the Criminal Division at the Department of Justice did not know Giuliani was under investigation so to me one of two things are going on I soft talk Giuliani the same way they did Cohen until he flips on them and then they'll hard talk him yeah so they they want to make sure that that distances there and you know trump's been doing this with Giuliani is facing foreign bribery charges and that's precisely what yeah for Tosh is facing yeah in for Taj recently dumped Lanny Davis this Cohen's layer not trump friendly lawyer four tones ing and Digenova what indeed dot com slash beans all lower case to get twenty percents off your dress Pant Yoga Pants today okay we're back hey Jordan took me the other possibilities bench caskey's just lying to cover up the fact that not only did he know they were under investigation but a Giuliani actually asked him to stop the investigation or extradition of for Tauch Johny being investigated maybe loyalty like the look of loyalty or knowing that Giuliani is going to be indicted and trying to pull back from that because eventually they're going to have to to trump's been saying you know he was my lawyer is he still your lawyer I don't know ask him you know he's been distancing himself from Giuliani to enjoy he is now distancing himself from Giuliani saying that he did not know love an Eye Gore Gore were under investigation so I let that sink in for Rosenstein that's the new dag so w turney general so that could explain how bar knows you know that Giuliani was under investigation and so was associates and how we were and we were all surprised when he was nominated last year because he ripped Alpha-bank we're like that's a weird conflict of interest aw because he said in that 'cause actually Giuliani said with his words about that meeting with bench cow ski I have to talk to you about a very very sensitive client who activties maybe it's something like that in the Department of Justice that's going on yeah or or you know when when bound cousy met with Giuliani maybe he didn't think that that would go public and is trying to make him stop the investigation into for Tash or at least curtail his extradition is on hold right now the Austria said he could be extradited and for some reason he is not being extra you think is happening with bench Caskey I got I'm fifty fifty at this point I it could be both it could be that later but so it could be both more Mullah referral and bench cousy is lying to cover up the fact that he knows about it but the Giuliani act where Ivan Drago but no sorry eleven and four but Rosen and venture Hausky might not have known they might not have been read in on it or and especially since Muller was still doing the Miller report and you're headed criminal division somebody who alpha-bank which is being investigated by Mueller Okay that sounds weird well bench cows ah it is a more Giuliani Muller referral because now we're seeing this stuff go back to as far as twenty fifteen with a Parnis and I'll get into that a little bit Deutsche Bank defenses where they're like the highest person at the top is just like I don't know how trump ground all those loans it was all these people below me that were heading those he that's what we call you when you're gone you remember Brian Bench Kofsky yes and meeting that he took recently with Giuliani yes new Guiliani in love Parnasse in eager for under investigation and then after everyone found out about the meeting that's when he's like oh I didn't know I had no idea because it would look kind of quiet since he was supposed to flee to Vienna community it I don't know I haven't looked but I I have I have heard if he did yeah I wonder if it's one of those like mccallion was asked back in February I- Giuliani makes it look like he didn't realize until they were arrested what if he knew going in meeting with didn't tell people under investigation yeah okay yeah yeah and so that might be the motive do you know win. Giuliani became aware that he was under investigation. I don't remember like anything that would designate when that was exactly in the timeline I don't either I know that very recently and somebody said the News said I was under investigation so he's acting like it's just right now but also you might not know you're under allegation if they're doing a really good investigation because you're the target they're not going to question you but you would have to presume that if they questioned people close to you like like before that the last time he tweeted about anything political was on the sixteenth so five days ago you know what I'm saying so he's really quiet right now it's unlike him although he does go dark I love and and eager who are turning out to plead not guilty I think and not be cooperative that they would have told Giuliani unless you're go ahead no go ahead no no go ahead they just checked Giuliani's twitter page and he's hasn't tweeted in three days which I feel like as long for him and the last thing tooted about the Yankees about baseball okay tale so he met the conditions of his bail he has said he will plead not guilty God is on my side so no cooperation at this time doesn't seem God is on my side the opposite of Mass Oh God let's see if equals MC squared. I would be so pissed off I was like a good Christian so you just have to say here and listen to all these fucking idiots and criminals and morally bankrupt people in site the name of the person that you you know thera minds me of them. This morning I was watching an interview with the women on democracy now who's an eighty year old nun who thinks it's her like religious mission if you will to yeah like a bat at all checks out and speaking parts like I said he finally made bail he was the last Guy Johny as long for this freedom yeah arrested sorry about have been wrong before rarely cooperation agreement out of these four Korea. Kukushkin what'd you say eleven or eager then I don't think we've had on the show we think about it so anyway I imagine Johnny's arrest is imminent if they're not going to try to get it duchess speaks whatever the opposite volumes speak so lowly matter it's paid for himself so what does God think about this who knows tweet us God so he's a line in a little while women's name was Liz mcallister and she broke into a nuclear base essentially so that was her name she's eighty years old you take away nuclear weapons she she was protesting and got arrested somewhere on the east coast for like protesting a nuclear reactor site get over in the middle of the lease was because the woman who occupied it before broke up with her boyfriend and decided that she needed to cleanse steam cleanse her genitalia you like run against trump yeah like hers a seat the apple in the her spiritual Dila White House yeah yeah yeah totally love trumps hate Yeah well that's cool I think that's what it was but yeah but that's kind of what I'm saying there are really out there who are like canonization right there should by patron saint nukes Claire Technology and she was like fuck that in her gram away and say that you know what I mean h e double toothpicks on your side yeah well it happens bench caskey if he gets arrested I hope it's just going to be sitting there just averting eye contact come on him I don't know yeah sorry man I think she was like she was like she interview she was like I am eight-year-old none and I don't think it's our right to fuck with God's creation like through nuclear weapons and Parnis giving more clues of how connected to the trump family this guy is one photo back in two thousand fifteen shows imposing next to Ivana not vodka right now being like you can get weed lube for your China this is why you support momentum podcast welcome to southern California it's only for vaginas though not for Dicks the Nice adverb wise choice yeah I don't know what happened to giant angry about the floor doc in French fries anyway now that Giuliani is to rid itself of the bad vibes of cheating dog ex-boyfriend so she put a boiling pot of water directly on the hardwood floor in their house so he got sleepy Weenie Leap Handy Lube for your Weiner vaginas got the Munchies njit burned a hole into the crowd trying to Steam Regina China how do you feel about that negativity that's pretty cool for this none yeah who is it didn't work Marian Williamson say that she believed it was like her divine Duty and I know that I talk about astrology so it might seem that I'm like extremely who but I'm only medium woo woo yeah how do you feel about this I had in the I got a room family and then after the midterms he posted a ton of pictures of him and Giuliani smoking cigars and go into Yankees Games and touring the burnt out shell of the Notre Dame Church Art then in August Twenty fifteen there's a photo of partners with trump and Don Jr. at a campaign event in Durrell in August two thousand eighteen parnis posted a personalized picture taken after that for sure it was posted at least after it was released the party was that night right okay Dan yeah with David Korea who is one of the individuals that was indicted last week and the caption says Fraud Guarantee Powell already doesn't know what's going on I think I need to make it worse mob agendas there's so many straight men and red state John Juliani and Freeman flying around in private jet many posted picks of fundraisers for disentis along with slide show of photos of himself with trump and members of the trump link that was a thank you note a personalized thank you note from photos and Florida's and then leading up to the two thousand eighteen to twenty eighteen midterms he posted a bunch of photos of himself Um yeah she did say that I don't hate everything that she says but I would never vote for someone who believes that like putting a Jada Egg Vagina is going to bring about real these Florida and notably one of the loudest voices against Impeachment Kevin McCarthy and they've all pledged to return that money since they got caught but there's news out today on Monday about at the trump hotel special guests with the trump legal team we did it everyone cheers we cheated we fixed it and and we pitch just weird but here's the Big One on March twenty fifth the day after bar released his misleading four page summary of the Miller report that totally Miss Character Blah cynics donations to the trump inaugural he attended with vessel Berg who may or may not have gotten tickets from Sam Patten who was convicted for that crime last year in connection with is molars findings by the way the day after that parnes posted a pic of a celebratory dinner with the trump legal team at the trump hotel in DC we know that Republican tax but not if the money is being funneled from foreign entities but he's a multi-billionaire he's worth like nineteen billion but ever but ever ever making Straw donations to the inaugural on behalf foreign donors in the form of tickets to the inaugural Ukrainian money by the way he also helped Moscow Mitch earned his nickname by donning over new filings with the FCC boulevard is a Soviet born US citizen with ties to Vex Berg who donated heavily to Cohen's slush fund for access to trump called essential consulting. Oh that we know now that that trump pack that was funded by Parnis and fruman funded Pete sessions who's been subpoenaed along with Scott Walker fantasy up in a counterintelligence investigation and given the fact that bar runs the Department of Justice who knows what will happen with that who knows when Giuliani's mm-hmm once I move till the story before on the podcast I'm quick but there was a room that I took over in a house once and the reason that I got you can get we blew for your vagina now interesting just that makes sense you're in a state where it's legal cool you can get you can get your vagina high also maybe don't burn it with water my vagina but ever sell like he's just one of several wealthy Russian creating that fraud guarantee goes back to twenty fifteen which is another clue that Giuliani could have been a muller referral one of those twelve redacted referrals independence de Mul. Do you WanNa do a Nice thing for your Regina I'm GonNa be the hippy hippy lesbian voice on this podcast French fries you can get it French fries yes we've Lube for your where else McCarthy is getting his money and it's none other than bloviate Nick so just last month Whoa Vinik made a two hundred thousand dollar donation to the McCarthy Victory Fund according to Miss specially him in Vicksburg because I know that when Muller was looking into essential consulting there was a Columbus Nova which was excellent be ended I feel like it was last Friday but you know as I said been wrong before but shelby holiday put out a great threat on twitter and this is what I was talking about before this is the private instagram account for he's been hearing them but ever someone to but ever frog guarantees probably one yeah yeah also frog guaranteed POW wow that was the name in Ukraine Ukrainian money into the inaugural into these super PACs in potentially are maybe unknowingly subjects investigations already yes nice basically so you could stand there and have a minute to talk to him at a lot of people did that yeah we've been hearing all those names for very long time Brady had one Yeah I remember I think Cindy Yang had one where she was collecting money from Chinese businessmen to just get money for you would pay for a photo with trump graze doing Putin's bidding basically and that's volcanic that's this whole group a group of dudes that are now US citizens soviet-born that have been funnelling Russian but could they just be continuing the investigation of him because he keeps climbing whoever is investigating him it could be that I mean that's an awful long time ABC Giuliani before that we might not have what we're going through right now with this and and so that that could be part of it too Although I I wonder what this company I think five hundred thousand dollars of a donation and then another million to the inaugural and all that was just a pay for access to trump and there were several of these groups maybe if it's not a bar blockage jack definitely sounds like something you die from what do I take a bar blockage it's focus social that's their slogan and dwell that's what we say it is and he has ties to Pasta and Muller was investigated and also lobbied trump and Tillerson to get reser rob off the hook who is a Turkish person so lobbied for the anti like Yes let's go see the show today and the Guiliani turns into a bat belfry fearing elections and how far do we let it go wet legal recourse do they have in terms of him you know essentially implementing shadow foreign policy and acting AH federal campaign second of all you cannot lobby on behalf of a foreign government without declaring it to the Department of Justice so unless he registered eating over seven million dollars to him and other Republicans like Marco Rubio and von next this is Bloomberg so now he he is a US citizen and he can donate indicating that trump's legal team against the Mueller investigation also was fraud guarantee that ties Giuliani to that and that's what makes me think Giuliani is a muller name of sorry what was that that was the caption on the Couto on the phone okay cool Rod Guarantee Powell they also culturally appropriate so nice yeah so that now android four door you go those are the dice roll I guess when you decided to around entire societies on a man in Ukraine just like Manafort was manafort worked with Tash and it's all just a big everyone knows everyone at super slimy looking gun yet so they've been able to just kind of survey him at one of those various levels we learn about McCain's book you know it could be it could be because the Ukraine stuff that we're looking at right now if they had can I bet you're fantastic I have some good secret. We like three degrees of separation for trump three degrees of separation with corruption. Like how long are you like how long should we let them crime yeah right right actually tried to like make a case in court and also endanger national security and Inter dossier which is what they're calling it and taking it around to Fox News sending it in parchment envelopes to the State Department and saying we demand meetings eh I want that to be ashamed people can say whatever like with some sort of authority however and whatever and butter with the issue in Congress and so now he's lobbying on behalf of for Tosh for that which I guess would be lobbying on behalf of Ukraine rickie lobbied for Ukraine one of his clients right yes without registering as a foreign agent so an and now he's lobbied for cash by taking for Toshka's seven page astray we talked about the chart we got some tweets we've got some tweets about the chart oh everyone is connected yeah we are I I'm good at six degrees of Kevin B sure than traditional wire braces the treatments only take about six months on average when I was a kid I had braces for five years and I'd wear headgear and elastic and nobody's got time for that so burl and it's been going on for a while why they haven't indicted him yet that could be a bar blockage yeah especially keeps far blockage but then I wondered to me a foreign agent for Ukraine and Turkey now because Turkey he was trying to get Golan out as well and lobbied trump on behalf of Aragon to get Gulan out Through another holiday season taking closed mouth photos embarrassed by your smile so get your smile photo ready for the holidays with clear liners candid candidate lenders can help street in your teeth wave fast you know what I mean all roads lead to Putin yeah just above a certain income level would agree separation in six honestly see you got money from fraud guarantee beans to get seventy five dollars off that's candid co dot com slash daily beans code daily beans for seventy five dollars off again candidates slate theorized that Pierre de Leko was Romney after they discovered one of the followers of that account was Romney's grandchild and then slates actually Feinberg found that he and their philanthropic and love this because with each liner purchased candid donates twenty five dollars to smile train and bring safe one hundred percent free cleft lip and palate theo dot com slash daily beans and then use code daily beans at checkout. 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First Follower Peer delectable first follower was mitts oldest son tag I thought tag was a Palin kid I was just going to say that Trig I Roger Stone I see now what's happening yeah if anyone says we we spend conspiracy theories now it'd be the time that was very oath Syria was very troubling so yeah I I think it's interesting I mean I my first thought is when trump was doing that he says posts on twitter I am tag means in the midst of sexual activity or in the act of committing a misdeed caught red-handed so pierre you say oh totally deloitte go I always think of in stow which means an uncompromising sexual position I believe or naked and the new shows this cool three D. preview video so you can see how your teeth are now how they move over time and how they'll look when you're done and candidate comfortable removable and completely invisible and okay directo mean according to which Mary delectable means a delight and what does influ- Koran taming in you know as they deserve it could be could be another more handoff right Yeah Yeah because we have heard his name for a long time yeah think of how trump accidentally called mark asper Marcus Barranco I'm like really yeah so what what is in flagrant reposted and done some interesting things on there from that account it makes it seem like he's pro impeachment and he actually said today I think Monday night he came out and said that the what was it uh now I just need to know what did it 'cause it's from the movie clue where we get our you know our more she wrote opening Oh info log in in flagrantly delectable in in the act of committing misdeed Conrad handed caught redhanded white horse profit caught red handed what does air mean yeah that at us out of context put it on the Internet and you'd be like listen to these crazy bitches so yeah so he he admitted to that and he's he's actually so an alter ego for the more you look up Directo it also sounds like a like a fake like a fictional character in a lemony snick novel and it made me going with the Peer Delight in Pierre Means Stone or rock us very sexual delightful rock same was`more model of response can you talk about the fact that Pierre Electa sounds like a fake name that a guy would have on the sugar baby trigg chopping troop throug tail tag route I am because he is a Ukrainian protean that's pro-putin he's a guy pro-putin separatist shit for this because he was like the worst offender of that calling in and literally pretending to speak at a different maybe someone else yeah no I think trump's great my name's Baugh where he was calling into different news organizations like pretending to be someone else yeah remember that yeah I do yeah so that's my first thing I don't know if trump can't even give just whining about this saying that the Democrats went crazy Even though I would have done Durrell for free you think I need promotion they say I do it for promotion you all with your phone NEOM Montlake waving at the press you with your phony emoluments clause that statement right there should be impeachable because of his oath to uphold that it would be a cost not free and he continued saying it would have been the best g seven ever and he lamented at what he called the phony emoluments clause y'all with your having to collect DNA samples from non-citizens this new proposed rule would do away with that exemption saying quote the FBI will provide dhs with the DNA collection frightening one department of

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Trump and Bribery; Body of Evidence; Impeachment inquiry; Deadly School Shooting

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Lawmakers also tomorrow in a very public hearing testimony from the former ambassador to Ukraine whom president trump had called quote bad news. There's the exact words that he used to describe. Maria Ivanovich bad news. He called her during his July. Twenty fifth. Phone conversation with Ukraine's President before saying quote. Well she's going to go through some things. It's unlikely the president meant it but tomorrow one of the things she'll be going through we'll be providing evidence to Congress as significant significant. Esser testimony may turn out to be could be eclipsed list by what David Holmes Stafford the. US Embassy in Kiev tells lawmakers away from the cameras. His story of as we mentioned a potentially key phone call came to light and surprise fries testimony yesterday from his boss. Bill Taylor now the top diplomat. US diplomat in Ukraine. The member of staff could hear president trump on the phone asking ambassador Song about the investigations. Excellent Toll President Trump Ukrainians were ready to move forward following following the call with President trump. The member of my staff asked ambassador. Sunlen what president trump thought about Ukraine. Best Asong responded that president trump cares more about at the investigations of Biden which Giuliani was pressing for Vassar. Sunland Gordon Online Basser to the European Union and a million dollar trump donor. He gave the million dollars to the inauguration. Tomorrow's testimony puts the pressure on Sunland testified to what was on that particular call which the President says. He doesn't even remember again. He also says he hardly knew Sunland who razz said road a million dollar check for the inaugural and whom the president rewarded with a plum the job in any case this all ties. The president tighter to the allegations against him could weaken one of the main Republican talking points testimony so far is second third or fourth fourth hand they're offering hearsay hearsay hearsay hearsay. Not second hand. It's all third hand information. The second third fourth hand information in a real court of law that would be objected to is hearsay. It's perception on one side and hearsay on the other. Oh well keep him on as it is not strictly true. Here's as inadmissible in court in fact federal rules of evidence rule eight Oh three details. twenty-three specific exceptions under which you're say evidence can abused trial or congressional hearing rooms are not courtrooms in house. Impeachment proceedings are not criminal. Trials also should be noted that if the Republicans are really wanting to hear from witnesses with direct connection to the president. If that's what the president wants Mick Mulvaney could testify so John Bolton that would be possible but so far. They're not willing to testify without a court ruling ruling as for the case. The Democrats are making today House Speaker. Pelosi put it as bluntly she ever has saying to her. The testimony so far makes the case for bribery. That's one the chargers specified by name in the constitutions language on impeachment. You talked about bribery. Bribery Char Lena. The constitution well you know we talking Latin around here implode soon from anyone from anyone. Quid pro quo. Bribery bribery bribery. And that is in the constitution attached to the impeachment proceedings. The bribe is to grant or withhold military assistance in return for a public statement of a a a fake investigation into the elections. Let Speaker Pelosi also took a moment to remind the president that he is free to free to provide witnesses to refute the case being made against him. It's called an inquiry and if the president has something that is Mr President that means you have anything. That shows sure innocence. Then he should make that known and that's part of the airport and so far we haven't seen that but we welcome it and ended. That's what inequalities about evening as we said at the top. We learned that an official in the president's office management and budget will testify if subpoenaed Ed. His appearance is now scheduled for Saturday. Also tonight the question of what to make a video of attorney. General William Barr and others in what's been described as an animated exchange in the Oval Level Office earlier today with the president. The conversation was delayed the president's departure for a campaign trip it after which the president was seen reading a redacted act document and it's unclear what exactly was or whether it was connected with the prior conversation more now from the White House. Is there for us. So what are you learning about. How the White House is preparing for for tomorrow Anderson? They are sizing up some of these upcoming witnesses. For example Marie Ivanovich who is the former UCONN Ukraine ambassador. Senator told by White House official that they're already sending out there talking points already talking about whether or not she's going to be that great of a witness for the Democrats this White House officials said essentially. What does Maria Ivanovich no about the July twenty fifth phone call? The president had with leader of Ukraine. She doesn't know anything about it because she wasn't on that phone call. She was Ukrainian ambassador at that point. So they're sort of looking at. WHO's coming up and sizing up each of these witnesses? I will tell you the official that I spoke with also talked talked about This overheard conversation That Bill Taylor testified to yesterday about how the president and the EU ambassador. Gordon Sunland had this phone call that that was overheard by at least one official. Who heard the president say the word investigations? According to this White House official that has no reason to stop the presses. This of course the president has been asking about investigations. They don't see anything wrong with that. This meeting with the president and Attorney General Bar in the White House counsel Pat Step Baloney. which were seen you know through the windows there? I just wonder replied video of it. I understand you're learning a little bit more about whether talking about what what what are you. Now Yeah Anderson. It was very serious because the president was coming Out of the White House Shortly after this meeting so talk to. We'll presumably to talk to reporters He. Does these chopper talks from time to time. He didn't do today as he was heading down to this rally in Louisiana But for a good thirty minutes He was in the Oval Office with Bill Bar. The attorney general with pets only the White House counsel and our understanding talking to our sources. Is that this meeting touched. On and part very briefly. On the Horowitz report which is the report that is expected expected to come out soon. Not sure when from the Inspector General Inside the Justice Department who has been investigating the origins of the FBI counterintelligence agents investigation of the two thousand sixteen election the origins of the Russia investigation of this obviously has been a of great interest to the president and some of the bill bar has been working on obviously keeping tabs on for some time and the inspector general has been working on for some time. Apparently after that meeting between those three individuals broke up Anderson. Then Mick Mulvaney the acting chief of staff after seventy Grisham and others came into the room but my understanding from talking to a source this evening about all of this. Is that that meeting between those three individuals. Israel's was kept up pretty much under wraps until it ended. But yes we understand the Horowitz report which is due to come out fairly soon that that was one. One of the subjects tackled in that meeting and the transcript that the president has been touting about the first call between him and presumptive Ukraine. That is sensibly going to released still well. We thought it was going to come out today. We thought it was going to come out earlier this week. We don't believe that is coming out this evening. I talked to a White House official earlier earlier today about this. WHO said that this first call transcript if you WANNA call it a transcript and maybe a summary transcript of the president's phone call when he congratulates Zilenski for winning the election in Ukraine? That was ready to go. That had cleared all the hurdles inside the White House including the White House counsel's office and was awaiting word from the president that it was okay to issue that that rough call transcript. It has not been issued. And there's no timetable as to when it's going to happen. I was told by an official earlier today. The timing of that release in fluid Anderson Right clearly the fact that the president has been touting the president is pretty pleased with what is in that call transcript although he seemed fine with. What's in the other? The call transcript which obviously a lot of other people seem different Anderson. We should point out. I mean to our viewers what happened on July twenty fifth phone. Call that matters and all of this us in the inquiry and the president is obviously hoping to release this. First call transcript to say look. I didn't do anything in this other. Call transcript. That doesn't have anything to do with whether or not there was an illegal quid pro quo. That was the subject of that July twenty fifth phone call and the subject of weeks of work before and months of work before and after Jim. Thanks very much joining us now. One of the questionnaires tomorrow California Democratic Congresswoman. Jackie Speier is here with me. The changing speaker close using the word bribery. Is that or of sort of a messaging that the whole quid. Pro Quo is not something which is a term commonly used by people by bribery is is far more understandable. Extortion things like that and also briberies mentioned the constitute. The fact that bribery is mentioned in the constitution. I think is something that the American people grab onto trees them. Bribery high crimes and misdemeanors and the elements of bribery. Taking place just so clear. You have a public official who uh either directly or indirectly asks for something of value in exchange for doing an official act that is what president trump did. And so I. Oh I think that the only thing we have to establish that was their corrupt intent. And I think you have to look at his actions. He is withholding information information from the committee. He's preventing many people from testifying before the committee he had a back channel with Rudy Giuliani and others to to pursue it. You start adding all of that together and you have a pretty solid case. Do you think that there would be more than just the issue with Ukraine if if if there does come to two articles of impeachment that it would be there obstruction of justice from the Miller report would be involved as well. There was has clearly obstruction of justice. It was spelled out in the Muller report he chose not to pursue it because of the guidelines within the Department of Justice about not indicting sitting president. But I don't think we're GONNA walk down that path I think we're saying very focused on the Ukraine phone call on the argument that many Republicans are making and certainly tomorrow. It seems like with the ambassador going to be making as well as that. She really had no knowledge of you know she wasn't talking the president and all this other stuff is he's here say we hear that now. Third fourth hand. Well first of all I mean. Hearsay is like circumstantial evidence and in most crimes. It's circumstantial evidence events that actually and we also have this summary of the president's phone conversation and then we have his actions afterwards and now we evidently have Mr Silane talking to the president which the President says how about the investigation so it's pretty it's pretty straightforward Solomon. Never mentioned this other call. I believe in his testimony. He said he couldn't remember there. Were one or two calls with him and the president but correct me. If I'm wrong. He never mentioned his other recall at the dinner. That now that embassador Taylor reference one of his aides that's right and what's so interesting is that you have the president saying well. Well I really don't know much about this gentleman except that. He gave this gentleman his personal cell phone number and evidently ambassador. Sunlen has him on speed speed-dial probably at least six phone conversations that they also I mean there is for for a candidate for president trump. WHO has a candidate? I was very upset about the security. You know violations or you know The security standards of Secretary Clinton to be using a cell phone phone in a restaurant in Ukraine of all places I mean that violates every norm of trying to keep secrets from your adversary sir. Well and the president using a cell phone as well which he does and is verboten actually and the irony is you know Russia could know more about about this conversation. Then we'll ever know the mark Zandi this attorney for the O.. M. B. is going to testify on Saturday if subpoenaed he would be the first witness from the O. M. B. Prior to this there have been testimony that somebody at the O. M. B. had Had said that this that the president is was holding up up the aid. Do you know much about this witness. What what he will testify? Well we know he's a career civil servant he's been in and out of for a number verve years. We also know that he did sign the July hold on the military aid subsequent holds on the military aid or done by political aw appointees so. It'll be interesting to see what happens. It appears that he without having had the interview yet was resistant. or It's asking questions about why they they were putting a hold on you do you know is is it one step closer to try to figure out exactly how that order came down because I mean it seems something like putting a hold on aid. You would think there'd be a large paper trail on something like well. You can withhold a typically. There's a process process by which you use either recission or what's called reprogramming. Neither of those things took place. Normally there's some description Shen S. two. Why there's a whole point and obviously there wasn't any in this case at all and then we have a you know a number of incidents where we've heard from people who said that it was being a we've got text messages from Volcker and saw inland about the fact that the president was holding military until there was an investigative announce if if the ultimate goal is to get some Republicans in the Senate to you know if this goes to impeachment to get some Republicans in the Senate to kind of look at this with different is? Do you think any move has been made to toward that thus far with the testimony you know how do you know I mean every day. There's another disclosure. There's another a bombshell. The conversation at a restaurant now is new information that we didn't know about a day ago so I I think what we have to do is just do who are job and this inquiry will move forward. We will present our evidence to the Judiciary Committee. They will assess whether or not they're going to create articles of impeachment and and then the house will take it up. Spirit appreciate your time. Thank Busy Day with a big day of testimony tomorrow newly explicit allegation of bribery. We'll discuss the accusations at the White House is facing with our legal and political folks as well as a veteran of the Watergate scandal. Also we'll bring you new details from the site of that deadly school shooting today just north of Los Angeles Angeles in the latest on What went on your genes aren't just about you? It's something you share with with the people closest to you uncovering potential health issues. Early can help empower you with information so you and your family can move toward a healthier future introducing ancestry health from ancestry with ancestry health. You discover how your DNA might influence certain health conditions and the steps you can take with the healthcare provider to chart a healthier path forward. 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Richardson Power Scott Jennings and JEN PSAKI. Jeff do you put significance. In the fact that their niche policies in the bribery. Now absolutely I think they are getting away from quid pro quo. Because most Americans except David Gergen speak English rather than Latin and I and in bribery. Korea is also a is it is clear what it is and there is evidence to support it. Personally I think extortion may be a more accurate description but is a little late for them to try to be rewriting. Sort of you know re marketing. What this thing was? I don't really think so. So I mean the the facts are the facts and we are now moving into the impeachment process and it happens to be true that the constitution speak specifically of treason bribery or other high crimes and missile. Gloria what change. Why do you think they now made this change quid? Pro Quo wasn't working with complicated did Latin is as you point out. And the the president you know the Supporters of the president kept saying. Well you can't have a quid pro quo. If if there was an aide of the aid wasn't stopped. I got the aides. So where's the quo. Would that be Gergen. But but I think I think as a result Pelosi and also Adam Schiff started doing it earlier sort of saying look. This is easier for people to Digest and by the way I just haven't have article two of the Constitution here and it says that the president can be removed from on impeachment for and conviction of treason. Bribery or other high crimes. It's a misdemeanor so when you have it there you use the word David. It's it's a lot easier to argue. Somebody took a bribe or offered a bribe than it is to get into a conversation sation about what is high crime or misdemeanor because exactly in the Constitution I think this gives Democrats are a little more Lee a little more leverage and it's clear with with the public and what the Democrats need overall. They need a much better messaging Process of their own. They need some Gravitas in the way we talk about this John John is is that what and I don't think it's too late to to put that word out and that word will likely stick more than quid pro quo. which is kind of confusing? I think it I think the quid pro quo really started in the White House with trump. Who when he was making some of these calls to people like Salmon said for goodness witnessed sake say there's no quid pro quo? Because he had been tutored on that somewhere along the line and then he would go ahead and commit a bribery. It does I mean is this just semantics doesn't matter it matters. Also if you watch what Adam Schiff said yesterday at the beginning and the end and Nancy Pelosi Chater press this conference. They're trying to broaden this beyond trump. They're trying to make this about what precedent there should be for any president. Should we accept the American public except that the president of the United States could be bribing a foreign official in exchange for military assistance. I think that's good messaging. If they can stick to that. I also saw watched Adam Schiff if say yesterday this was directed by President Trump. And I expect we're going to hear more of that from the Democrats as well. I don't think it's too late. It's the beginning of the public portion of this and the some of the public I think is just tuning in. It's amazing about this is I mean if it's bribery. If if that's what it is. He's using taxpayer money. Much like his Dacian. I used other donors money. That was funneled through his own foundation. Like I don't know he seemed that's his fingerprints. Yeah it's like everybody has a senior. Yeah Yeah I agree. It's definitely not too late. I mean this is the very beginning of this process and I do think that it it has a lot to do not just with messaging but I do think the fact that it is the word the constitution and so. It's something that when you when you speak that way and you explain to people. The constitution explicitly says this And this is what he did and it's much easier for people to understand why he might get impeached. Yeah I mean this is a branding issue. Obviously what they had been doing wasn't working it wasn't all that compelling and so they do need a simpler way to explain it. I I really think one of the messaging issues. Though they're going to continue to get tripped up on is that they are trying to force people into a binary choice. Either you support trump all the way and you don't don't all this or you want impeachment for bribery and I just think Republicans are gonNA wind up with varying levels of discomfort. Some will say I don't have any problems. Almost they have a little say I. I have a lot but they don't want none of that. Group wants to go all the way to impeachment. Democrats seem to be trying to force the American people into a binary here. You'll love them or we have to impeach him mm-hmm when we're on the eve of an election. I tend to think most people who are torn about this or confused may just default to well. We'll have an election and let the American people render a verdict. There's a remedy. The political remedy isn't election as a lot of folks are GonNa go that way. I don't actually think that's the Democrat strategy or that we've seen any semblance of what you just said. I mean for Republican strength. I don't I just don't think that's what they're what they're trying to convey. It is amazing though that we're sitting here and you're suggesting as a Republican strategists that just kick trump out of office at the election. That's that no I'm not. I'm suggesting that that. Republicans who have varying degrees of discomfort with this who don't want to impeach the president may prefer to say okay as a messaging tactic. The American people should have a seeing this. Not The partisans in Washington I think the do you remember when Congressman Rooney came out and set from Florida and said I I want you know I'm going to be around longer looking at people. My grandchildren and I want to be able to tell them where I wasn't this moment. I actually think that as people start to turn that. That's the kind of message. Take a quick break. We're going to be around for two hours at least We'll take a look at why the president's biggest defenders are press wrong to dismiss the testimony against him as hearsay. Finding the right pros for home. Projects can be tough and spark a lot of questions. Like how do I find find a pro who can help. Will they do a good job. Will I get a fair price. That's where homeadvisor can help from leaky. 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But they don't want to impeach the president and what isn't shouldn't they be looking at what the facts are and then in deciding whether or not they want to impeach him you're basically just saying because they like the president they don't they're not even considering the fact that he may have violated the constitution. Well I'm saying saying that. A lot of Republicans. I have spoken to have exhibited varying degrees of discomfort. Some very little and some say bad judgment some say man that was was terrible but to rise to the most grave action you can take in our system against the President United States especially on the eve of an election makes almost all of them uncomfortable. Uncomfortable we just don't use impeachment like this and so they don't really don't believe they don't believe that what he did should be especially because because we're on the eve of another political rams weren't on evenement election. You're saying that they would support in palm saying that. In the Clinton instance there was no remedy it was in a second term and so that made it more likely. If you wanted to try to remedy in this case there's a remedy that doesn't put the take it out of the hands of the American people doesn't say unless an election is less less than a year away the constitution says you should be removed from office period. That's it about the hearsay thing. I mean we've talked about this before or this is obviously not a courtroom and yet here say is used as evidence in many cases yes little law school class out here is it is an out of court. Statement offered for the truth of the fact asserted that something you learn in law court saying and offered for the truth of the fact asserted. See this is why I never everyone's lost but what as you pointed out. At the beginning of the program. There are twenty three statutory exceptions to the hearsay rule. And one of the things you learn in in trying cases is that hearsay. There are those exceptions cover a lot. And if you're a good lawyer you can get most hearsay in the. It is however true and I think it's important that we acknowledge this that you know putting aside the legalities I'm the Republicans are right that you know if you're going to impeach impeach Donald Trump. You need to talk about what Donald Trump did and said and ordered and that has to be proven in in different ways and some of it is you show the implications of what he ordered. And that's really what can and Taylor were about on the first day but I don't think the Republicans are wrong to demand evidence of what Donald Trump actually did. And I think that's more important than any sort of legal rule but the Republicans are trading house like hideous. They they they say you. You're only bring forth here. Say you don't have any first-hand information well we know that there are three people that know exactly what happened. was named Giuliani. One is the guys at Chief-of-staff Malini and the third one is is both bomb. And what's happened here. They all three have been called. The president said No. You must not talk. So the Republicans say well. You only have here say well come on with this turning US children. The other argument on the hearsay thing is there. Were a lot of folks doing a lot of somersaults in order order to execute the president's policy and so if it's not the president directing it essentially then Republicans are saying Giuliani. You Know Rick. Perry is doing his own foreign policy deal in Ukraine. All these people are kind of working toward this end with no central organizing using struck me as the lawyer circumstantial evidence when that be all these people suddenly telling the same store I mean. They're you know different pieces of the story and they all all match th th. That's true but I mean I think it's always important to remember. That impeachment is a political process much more than a legal process in trying to sort out evidence into different categories. I mean it's interesting but I think ultimately what matters is what persuades politicians and the voters who elect them I You Know I. It is of course the outrageous that Republicans are complaining about the absence of hearing trump's words when the people who heard her trump's uh-huh words are not being allowed to see Mulvaney and Bolton testify Well I I was in this position once. I was subpoenaed by Congress but I was a sitting White House staffer and and what they ultimately decided for me. was you have to go up there. But we'll have a lawyer sit beside you and tell you what questions you can answer. So I got stuck in the middle of one of these privilege issues. These Ezer high-ranking staffers than I was at that level of the White House is Mr Gergen knows. There is a tradition of them being able to not have to comply with these kinds of things. It hasn't always always worked. And sometimes in the Harriet Myers case. A court ruled against her but there is an office of legal counsel opinion from DOJ. That's been affirmed in both parties. Already John Dean. We're here to protect. We can talk about. It was most recently used by the way during the Obama putting their would you like to hear from them as a citizen Edison. Would you like to hear what they have to say. I will give you a untorn because yes I of course I want to know the truth on the other hand is an former executive branch guy. I am protected offensive of the separate. I just want to make one point about this. You know it's you're right about it. Sometimes it's except sometimes it's not accepted but presence with integrity. You Act to tell the truth and get it out there when Ronald Reagan had Iran Contra. He told everybody on his staff all the way house. You must comply the request to testify and you must turn over the documents and to sit there and say Ohio and now we can't do that. We find a precedent here impressive there when you've got an impeachment proceeding preceding afloat and going forward and the country is in a great moment and it presently United States normally stepped up to it I would. I would just say that what what the Republican Republican White House would say to that line of thinking in this case. Is this impeachment inquiry. Didn't attract a single Republican vote and because it is a hyper partisan process and because of how the ACA during the Muller prob- We don't trust that they are honest brokers or good faith actors in this process. That'll be the record. All right. We're gonNA take a break. We'll see back. You're in our second hour tonight coming. 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I did check it out since it is the end of an especially difficult day in southern California tonight in the city of Santa Clarita just north of Los Angeles all the heartbreaking moments that follow a school shooting are unfolding yet again with every update every tear each question. Why another sad picture comes into focus? Sixteen gene seconds is all it took according to authorities sixteen seconds and now a sixteen year old boy and a fourteen year old girl are dead. Three classmates or wounded suspect. Also student is badly wounded and what began this morning is any other Thursday at Saugus high. I heard the first shy and everyone thought it was the polio and it got really quiet and then she heard shots when everyone just started running out of school it it was around seven thirty. Am about twenty minutes before the start of classes at Saugus high school. Some students were just arriving when the shooting started. When we heard the first gunshot? We thought it was not something serious. And that we more than three law enforcement were on the scene within minutes and parents soon received this emergency the alert for an important message. Active shooter at Saugus High School. All schools are on lockdown. Some students ran for shelter in neighboring houses. Others were trapped in the school. We heard from our friends who are still stuck in school at their hiding in closets. Just trying to find anything testing that they're scared diet and they're hiding in closets and it's very shocked. Police say the gunman is a student at Saugus. High School. Detectives have reviewed the video at the scene which clearly showed us a subject in the Quad Withdraw Handgun from his backpack shoot and wound five people and then shoot himself the head. Two of those five were killed a sixteen year old girl and a fourteen year old boy. The shooter survived and is being treated at the hospital. His motive still unknown. You won't let go of your daughter was very scary. We ran. We heard the one shot and then four after and we just started running and all I heard all these kids running into screaming calling their parents. It was very sad terrified. Parents waited to be reunited with their children at a designated holding area. This mom says her son called her crying thing after he heard the gunshots nearly drove to the schools to try and find him. Where are you honey? Okay can you stay there Shaun and we'll walk there to you. Ok Okay. I'M GONNA Walk to get you. Don't move please I just need to be. You just need to be in my arms right now. Okay like so many other schools. In America the students of Saugus High High School had active shooter training but no amount of training prepared them for shock and fear they experienced this morning and Ember Miller is a senior at Saugus. She was there this morning. She joins US now ember. Thanks so much for being with us. I'm glad you're doing OK. You were I think you were in your first period math class before it began when the shooting started. Can you just walk us through what you want you hurt. Yeah Like you said I was in my first period math class just preparing like any other day and all of a sudden I see this Guy Bargin and he screams gunshots and I happen to not really be paying attention. I was on my phone and my best friend told me. She tapped me on the shoulder and she was like you need to get down under the desk and I was like okay so I get under the desk and the lights off and then pretty quickly. A bunch of students jumped up grabbed desks and tables push them against the door sack sack them against one another and we all huddled into a corner and I was you know three of my really close best friends and we just sat there for what seemed like a really long time. I'm guessing it was like about an hour. Fifteen hour and a half and we just waited for it to be over. The is that something you had trained leaned for. I believe the school has had active shooter. Training have you gone through that. Yeah I mean of course our school did a pretty good job of trying to teach us what to do. But it's really hard to know what to do when someone is actually there with a gun and and your life is actually threatened. So I don't I don't even think any amount of training or preparation could prepare us for what happened today. What was it like you were waiting for for more than an hour? I mean are you at that point do people talking or you just I mean I assume. Do you know what's going on outside. Are you on your phones. Yes so a bunch of us were on our phones texting one another texting our moms or dads. I was on instagram and snapchat. Just just trying to get information but there were so many things being told. I remember being told like three people had been shot and then four people died. I just there's so much misinformation was being thrown at us and we were all talking Me and my group of friends there was four of us. We were all talking and we just had no idea was happening outside in after the police arrived. What happened when I assume it's police officers. Who came into your class? Yeah yeah I believe like five. Police officers came in and I actually heard them in the classrooms behind me before they even came in. And that's when I fell fell. I think I felt more adrenaline and more fear because it was just a break from this crazy calm and they came. I'm in and they had guns and they had us put our hands up like this and I was so scared. Luckily I had my phone in my keys in my pockets but you know then they asked us to put our hands down and we walked outside ride and that's when we all saw the backpacks open and everything. Yeah I knew important for you to let people know about the spirit of your school school and the community right now yeah. We're all trying really hard to band together. And I know that everybody is really trying nine to advocate for change. I know I am. I want something to be done. I it breaks my heart that more kids have to die for us to do something in this country. It really really really really breaks my heart Amber Miller I present. You've been with us. I'm glad you're okay. We'll talk again thanks again. The Nation Wonders. What will change range a student who survived the park in Florida rampage and took action to rent scenes like this from happening again? He joins me next. Can't get enough of the NBA sign up for NBA League pass to gain access to every game being played across the association every night with all new ways to watch through the NBA APP Visit Visit Mba dot com or. Is it to get started today. The Tax Saugus high brings the number of school shootings in the US. S. Two forty four this year alone as the county sheriff reporters in the latest preventable American tragedy. He noted would others must have also thought about. Is they watch. Today's disturbingly normal scene. I hate to have saugus be added to the names of Columbine Parkland Sandy Hook but it's a reality galaxy that affects us all throughout the nation. Something we're GONNA have to deal with. Sheriff mentioned Parkland Florida. That's where Cameron caskey survived the shootings at Stoneman. Douglas High School School one year and nine months ago today. He joins me tonight. Cameron thanks for being with us You know I've talked to a lot of folks who have been through these kinds of shootings and they say every time they hear about the next one or another one it sort of brings it all back well at this point the the real the the real disappointment today after after seeing this this horrible tragedy unfold was just seeing further evidence that there's going to be no action taken because right as the shooting was unfolding Cindy Hyde Smith. A Republican senator from Mississippi was blocking a bill. That is bipartisan. Backed for universal background checks. That was introduced in February stating that. She doesn't believe that bills that would infringe people second amendment rights should be quote unquote fast fast tracked. Well that raises a lot of questions for people who have endured these mass shootings namely what does fast mean to you because this bill has been collecting dust us since February on Senator McConnell's desk and of course he's not going to address it because it doesn't involve the sugar coating of white supremacy so it's obviously not in the world of his interest but is this fast tracking forty four school shootings this year is. Is that fast to you. How many more bodies need to pile up before before or a bill? That is bipartisan. Backed is considered slow enough for you Cindy Hyde Smith I. It appears as though Republican inaction has a new face so theatrics today though. The Washington Post reported a short time ago a couple of weeks ago that the White House has basically abandoned the idea of releasing any proposals to combat gun violence. I assume that has something to do. Also with with just the president's beliefs but also the upcoming election d. Did you have faith at all that the president would actually move forward on any sort of meaningful gun legislation. Well like Cindy Hyde Smith. Trump is is is taking money from the NRA and at the end of the day inaction can vary very clearly be traced back to taking money from the National Rifle Association which as much as it has been depleting depleting is still a financial force and it is still an enemy that a lot of people who believe in the safety of American children and people everywhere need to keep in focus so no no. I don't believe that with somebody. Like trump is president. Anything is going to be done. We we band stocks that that is that is nothing that is an insult to the people who are losing their lives every single day. So what happens now I mean where do you see. I think the last time you talked and I've talked to other young people who were At parkland you know. A lot of the emphasis they've been putting on is on what's happening in states and there's been progress in various states. Does that make you hopeful. Well at the end of the day you can look at Chicago. Chicago has rampant gun violence the tears communities apart and Chicago. And you know. Chicago's interstate interstate with with great gun. Laws the fact of the matter is anybody can drive to Indiana by guns in bulk. Bring him right back over Chicago and sell them for for more money because because at the end of the day state laws are important but in the big picture every state law is only as strong as the laws were passionate passing on a national level and that is incredibly really important to remember so while every single victory is saving lives and there are laws being passed everywhere to make people safer. We have So far ago and until we elect somebody into office who is going to actually take stance here and not just pander like a psychopath. We're not going to see any change given casket. I appreciate your time Cameron. Thanks this coming up ahead Speaker Pelosi now believe. The president trump admitted bribery. Plus we're just hours from hearing from the Ambassador Force Rudy. Giuliani and company moved in while more. Not as well ahead. Are you interested trusted. Learning how great companies grow download the Martic podcast. 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Kavanaugh Latest, Census Troubles & Civil Asset Forfeiture

Pat Gray Unleashed

2:25:24 hr | 2 years ago

Kavanaugh Latest, Census Troubles & Civil Asset Forfeiture

"The blaze radio network. On demand. Grade is here on the please radio network too. Late. Nine hundred thirty. Three ninety three. Will she or won't she testify hang. That's the question on everyone's mind. No. No, no. No. I'm sorry. Interrupt you. But the question on my mind is where the seven million dollars that you are told me today that you were going to give me, it's got. I mean, you think it's in my pocket. I got a. I got a big jar at home. Weekly pause the show you go to the ATM because I was eating a Tinos pizza on national pepperoni pizza day. You saw you said, hey, I'll give seven million dollars for one square to give you the whole thing. And I'm starting to show you think I'm just going to forget that you took one sixteenth of my Totino's for seven million. That's how hungry I was in fact. So keep watching for that. It's it's on the way. Okay. Checks in the mail, triple eight. Nine hundred thirty three eighty three. This cavenaugh sexual assault allegation fiasco. I mean, it's just that it's a fiasco. Another person that knows the parties involved denied being at the party. Somebody who was accused of being the party. They've already come out and said, I wasn't there. I don't anything about that. That didn't happen. Then there's another person a classmate of bread Cup, Kavanagh's, accuser, Christine, blazey Ford, who said she, she actually put a. Posted something on Facebook, this big long deal about how? Yeah. I think this had there was a lot of there was a big buzz at school about that. And so why don't you just come out at admitted? Just fess up to it. Then she deleted that post. And now she's saying, oh, I have no idea if that happened. Wait, what. Speaking with NPR. She completely walked back claims on the deleted Facebook post that it happened or not. I have no idea. I can't say that it did or didn't. In the post she wrote, I did not know Ford personally, but I remember her this incident did happen. Many of us heard a buzz about it indirectly with few specific details. However, Christine's vivid recollection should be more than enough for us to truly deeply know that the accusation is true now she has no idea Idi of that is true. I didn't realize that we're going to have to defend what I said. What do you think is happening here? This isn't nursery school. Where is this isn't make belief time, of course, cable news stations are going to ask you to corroborate the story if you claim that you have knowledge of it. Nope, she has no idea. She just throw it out there. Really bad. You're playing games with people's lives in their reputation, family, and that is that man. I, you almost want to bring criminal charges against somebody like that. That's that's almost slander right there. You can certainly bring civil charges against her for for that. But. Why would you? Why would you make that? I guess you're just a an attention hog or what is that? Just so that people will think you're cool because you have some kind of knowledge about and event that's making the news and you just feel cool being talked about? I really she, she obviously wants him to pull his nomination. Yes, that's our goal. Yes. Just as it is with the Democrats. The accuser by the way says, hey, there's no rush here to the hearing. There's no rush. Well, yeah, there is trying to get a supreme court Justice confirmed. So, yeah, there's a rush and all the Democrats are screaming because it's an artificial deadline. Well, of course it's a, they're gonna put a deadline on this because they can't let this dry out indefinitely. All right. Just get back to whatever you want, and we'll just let these accusations simmer for a while and see what happens. That should be helpful in the process. So the Republicans have reached out to her multiple times. She's got a com- she's not going to she, she'll testify, she won't testify. There's no need. There is a need. Democrats are screaming that this, this could be the last chance she ever has to ever tell her story talking about. Of course, it's not the last chance she ever has. She could tell this story to anybody at any time and by the way, she said thirty six years to tell her story and chose not to until now it. So don't start blaming Republicans because this is a ridiculous situation. Even if he's confirmed that doesn't stop her from telling her story. It's just that the Democrats need her right now and they're using her right now and they don't care about her. They don't care what happens in her life. They don't care if she's dragged through the mud. They don't. They don't care if her reputation goes to hell. What do they care? They just want to stop the nomination of Kavanagh for some reason. Just it's pretty amazing. Hillary was on Rachel Maddow show. And here's again as she was months ago and then got bludgeoned with dump comment. She kind of skirted around that same scenario. We need to give the benefit of the doubt to these people sort of. Here's what she said. I remember back in the Thomas hearings when Senator Byrd was asked what he was going to do, and he said, in a situation like this, we should give the benefit of the doubt to the court and the country, and that's what the Republicans should be doing right now from the White House down Pennsylvania Avenue to the Senate, give the benefit of the doubt to the court and the country, and that have a an investigation that will then lead to a hearing that will then lead. To a vote, if appropriate. And instead they are playing the hardest of hard balls to try to pack the port with another nominee regardless of the questions. Okay. So a lot like the situation with Paula Jones and Kathleen Willey and one eat a broaddrick felt exactly the wait. No. You didn't feel the same way then? No. Would you do instead? Oh, played bull. Oh, you tried to destroy their lives discredit and humiliate them. This hypocrite should keep her mouth shut when it comes to sexual allegations against somebody? Yeah. Are you kidding me in her sitting there trying to pack? The court would not. They're trying to fill vacancy packages where its job of the executive. If he nominated six more people, then maybe trying to pack the court, but that's not the case. We're just looking for the normal nine. That would have been your hero FDR. There is no number in the constitution for supreme court justices. You could put one hundred of them in there if you wanted to. So if you wanted to really pack the court, this would be a great time to do it just pack the court with. You know ninety one more conservatives, then you'll see if we can overturn Roe v Wade. A lot on that overturn almost like to see it happening up. The same thing would happen when they're in office, so that would not turn out well, but what what to pock receive from Hillary? How do you do that with no sense of shame, no sense of self awareness that you're saying these things after everybody knows how you would after every one of his accusers, every one of your husband's accusers, you tried to destroy. One either broddrick. This certainly isn't lost on her this entire situation. She saying, hey, why don't you if we're gonna open up investigations? How about opening up the investigation of my rape from Bill Clinton? When he raped me as Arkansas attorney general, how about that. That's look into that the see if there's anything to it. It's almost from the same time period. Yeah, Joe Biden, he said something about how you know every every accuser should be taken seriously and we should investigate every claim no matter how old the allegations and that's when to Roderick was like, yeah. Okay. I got story for you. I know I love that. Yes, she spend. She's been in the forefront of this particular fight for a little while now and you know that takes guts because then it opens her up again to everything that I'm sure she doesn't want to be subjected to. So whether or not this woman shows up at the hearing, it might just be cavenaugh testifying, denying it because he is categorically sworn up and down. This didn't happen. I, I don't know how you'd ever prove this thirty six years ago. It's not like there's security footage of it or somebody had a cellphone video of it. None of that is true. People who actually have been named by this woman have come forward and said, didn't happen. You have to other women who have come out the dated Brad Kavanagh, and they said, no, this perfect gentlemen, this is not in his character. Did he drink? Yeah. So what who didn't in high school? Yeah, he had some drinks from time to time, but he was a perfect gentleman. The other thing I think we're going to have to decide is. The if the if the accusation is true, does that eliminate you from any sort of office ever in the future. I, you know, I something he did when he was sixteen or seventeen years old. Should he then be barred from becoming a supreme court Justice? I'd like I'd like to see what people think about that. Is there redemption? Do we believe in that. There's certainly forgiveness and you can forgive him without putting him in the supreme court. You can. So forgiveness is not the issue, but redemption kind of is because you just believe, okay, the guy changed if even if you did this. It's pretty much universal that nobody thinks he's doing anything like that now, so and hasn't in the last thirty six years. So does this qualify disqualify him from any position in the government now. Triple eight, nine hundred thirty three ninety three. And at Pat unleashed on Twitter, you know, losing weight and keeping it off. We all know that to be really hard in even when you do lose weight, then you just wanna go right back to your old eating habits. They get about food all the time and just indulging the way you want to because I don't know. I like food and the food I like is generally not good for me. So there's something that you can take. It's a dietary supplement. That's FDA acknowledged. It's safe and it's natural. It's called renew zone and what it does is boost your metabolism and help to control your appetite. So you're not thinking about food all the time. It just makes a struggle a lot easier if you've been on that roller coaster ride for a really long time, and you just can't get over the hump, try reduce own. See if it helps our idea use e, o any dot com. If you order it right now and enter the promo code Pat, you'll get thirty percent off a three months supply. It's radio dot com promo code Pat for. Thirty percent off reuse zone dot com. Hat gray only on the blaze radio network. Great. Is here triple eight, nine hundred thirty three Ninety-three just breaking news. There's a another mass shooting. Three people shot and killed apparently at a Rite Aid warehouse in Maryland. The details are pretty sketchy as they always are at the very beginning of these things. So we'll give you more as as the information becomes available, but looks like it's, it's happened again. Triple eight, nine hundred thirty three ninety three and Pat unleashed on Twitter. It's hard to know where to even start with all the stuff we've got going on today. The. Hypocrisy of the of the left continues to boggle the mind. Then President Trump is making some very interesting comments about George W Bush again. Now, during the Bush administration, he called him a warmonger and a war criminal. And in an interview with the hill yesterday, he said he considers the biggest blunder in US history. To be the one George Bush made about going into the Middle East. Trump said the worst single mistake ever made in the history of our country going into the Middle East by President Bush Obama may have gotten them out wrong, but going in is to me the biggest biggest single mistake in the history of our country. It's a pretty big statement because we spent seven trillion in the Middle East. Now if you wanna fix a window someplace, they say, oh, gee, let's not do it. Seven trillion and millions of lives, you know? 'cause elected count both sides millions of lives. Millions if you include Iraqi and Afghan casualties 's it can't be in the millions. Can it. The what, what far left group are you drawing those facts from there for your reference points? President? I'd I'd like to know you had like to know. He said, when you consider the still ongoing war in the Middle East. The day, they decided that was a bad day for this country. I will tell you so. He's never been a fan of George W Bush that much is true. Triple eight, nine hundred thirty three ninety three and we'll continue to follow the bread cavenaugh hearing Sega. In the meantime, Hollywood of course, is supporting the secure. They they're totally convinced and obviously anything that goes against Republicans or this administration or anybody who wants babies to live, they're going to attack. So a bunch of Hollywood actresses got together already and create a little. We believe you video for the accuser. Take a look. professor professor for professor for it. We know how difficult it is to stand up to powerful people want to thank you from publicly sharing your story of sexual as members of the Senate determine whether supreme court nominee nominal wreck cabin on Frank cabinet on it should serve as seen court, Justice, disagree, more less. This context is critical. The behavior described was wrong wrong and runs directly countered upholding the law ever Modi's. He should not be confirmed. He should not be confirmed. He should not be confirmed can also Sach or well-being must spend two had her choose shared on national stage without your permission should be the decision maker about how story shared ever. We plot your current coming forward for the public good, and we will be with you. Baffler ethical backlash, inevitable back. Glad. You are strong even know. You are survival survivor survivor and is of us have your back. You Andrew testimony, credible, you figure. Testimony, you're credible, you and your testimony are credible. What are the Thomas Ron's. Signed your sisters signed your sisters, signed years, sisters, sisters, zoo sisters. There is no way to redo nineteen Ninety-one, but there are always ways to better Anita hill set. Wow, that is, you know, it's powerful when you have four different people seeing exactly the same thing because it was written out for them while you just can't fake that people that don't know you either. Right? They have no idea who this woman is. Why she credible. We know you are credible, you credible. We believe you why? Based on what you don't know her. How white should we take it? Seriously? Yes. Should we just automats believe her? No, that's not how things work. Even if you say it at the same time. Multiple times. Dick Yetlis dear professor dear professor for dear professor. Ford, we believe we believe we believe you. It's it's almost cult like it's kinda weird and spooky and crazy people. They're just out of their minds, but those were four strangers though that don't know, don't know her. They don't owner and I don't know, but they still believe her. She's she's credible. We believe them. What do you wanna bet they've never seen her. They've never. They've never heard of her until this week. Just like the rest of us anything about or they said, your testimony should be believed or something like that. Yeah, there's been no testimony, right? That's the whole problem right now. Everyone including Kevin on silver saying, let's do this. Let's go testify and she's like, yeah, Kevin wants his day in court. He he wants the hearing any wanted public. Any wants to get it all out there and take care of it. So she's the one that's holding up the process. Well, there's no rush. Well, yeah, there is. We want to put this crap behind us if he did it. All right. Let's. Move onto the next nominee if he didn't do it shut up and leave him alone, they are dragging out every possible delay tactic that they can report that that she met with a democratic lawmaker I guess in July and we wait until we are literally on the eve of the judiciary committee, having their vote. And then this becomes known now they're saying, okay, well, let's you wanna do this. You wanna testify on Monday, and then it's. Wait, and then the deadline story. And so the game is, let's say that the Republicans are trying to rush this through. Let's wait until the last possible second on every little deadline. And let's hope that the clock turns to November and we win. Yeah, yeah, yes. That's Democrats are doing of course that and it's still transparent, has nothing to do with Justice, has nothing to do with with with her care about her. You really think those are her sister's? No, they're not. They couldn't care less about this woman blazey Ford. They don't care. They don't care about cavenaugh for that. They don't. They don't know anything about Kevin except that he's the nominee from Donald Trump, and that makes him evil in their eyes. These again, it's it's just hypocrites in vipers. I like that. Yeah, Henriksen vipers. That sounds like a death metal, like album title hypocrites in vipers. Just go with a pet also. Sounds like it might come from scripture, so oh yeah, we'll look it up. Okay, triple eight. Nine hundred thirty three ninety three there. There's some good news though, and I haven't heard anybody mention this yet. Maybe I just missed it yesterday because I wasn't here, but Ted Cruz has now opened up a nine point lead in this Senate race against Beto Aurore. That's good news. However, it's not as good news. I thought it was going to be when you said, opened up a can I thought Ted Cruz actually, you know, open again what pass on bedroom, lever mind doing that too, but at least the polls reflecting. Yes. Bit normally of how it should be. I mean, the, you know, it shouldn't be that this guy's within three point two points of Ted Cruz in Texas. It just can't be that. So they did a survey of eight hundred, seven likely voters to Quinnipiac poll. And Ted has a lead of fifty four forty, five right now there's a margin of error of plus or minus four, four point. One percent. So. Maybe all the stuff that Aurora is saying is playing right into Ted Cruz hands. He's saying it. Yeah. We have. We have some other brilliant thing that he spouted recently right? Does that we'll look for that. Betto video on here. Yeah. Yeah, right here. That's the bell clip. Yeah, let's let's play and you know what? We'd probably don't have a lot of time here for it anyway played after the second song after the break here, but. I mean that takes a little bit of the pressure off. It certainly doesn't end the concern in this race, but it's a sign of sanity returning to the planet, which is, you know we they'll signs are few and far between. Now. She's also on the governor's race. The Quinnipiac poll showed that that raises all over Greg Abbott has a lead over former Dallas county sheriff Lupe Valdez fifty eight to thirty nine. So he's almost twenty points head triple eight, nine hundred thirty three ninety. Three more Pat gray unleashed coming up. At gray returns on the blaze radio network, triple eight, nine hundred thirty three ninety three and Pat unleashed on Twitter. Here's a Betto showing exactly why he should be thirty points behind Ted Cruz instead of just nine according to the latest Quinnipiac poll. Here he is. Start. We talk whole arrest. Or. Hey. Four. We're. Solely of of this. Right on all. That. More here. That. Wait, what. So. So. So. Shooting. Growing. Why. Okay. Oh, man. Oh much there. Following what we thought was the end of that injustice at the end of the civil war, that injustice, too many more people here that I know firsthand continues to persist today. Jim crow stuff continues to resist like we've had no changes. I mean, obviously they're still going to be some racism until were perfected until we're. We're all living on the other side together. With God himself directing us. You're never going to eradicate it completely. But he continued that system of suspecting somebody solely based on the color searching that person solely based on the color of their skin, stopping that person solely based on the color of their skin, shooting that person solely based on the color of their skin. Throwing the book that person letting them behind bars solely based on the color of their skin as any have any of those things happen? Sure. And probably not just to blacks, Hispanics made even some white people in predominantly black areas. Look what's going on right now in South Africa. So, yeah, there are lingering issues to take care of, but good. Heavens, we've made a lot of progress. Do you want to turn that Senate seat over to a guy who believes like the things this guy believes about the United States. I don't. Again, he should be not just he should be forty points. Head of this guy. That I saw another one of those agonizing signs pop up in my neighborhood mushrooms everywhere. Yeah, it is. It's getting growing and I just want stop every time and go up to the door. And what the hell is a matter with you. What is what is the matter with you? It's a good way to meet your neighbors. I don't wanna be Mr. awkward or more awkward already. Hey, welcome to the neighborhood. This is first and last time you'll ever see me. I couldn't help, but notice Beto sign. How could you be so unbelievable. Stupider see, that would be more genuine than me just be given skit. I'll never say, again, enjoy the neighborhood instead. It's like, hey, I'm your neighbor deal. Have brain damage. Yeah, I'm just wondering, what is that are with you? When we talk about you, we want to know if it's like it's a genetic thing. What's the problem? I'm trying to wrap my head around insanity right now. And you guys are the very definition of it with that yard sign you have. We don't normally Beto supporters in the neighborhoods. I well it's it's becoming a problem around here. Yeah, it is. It is, but at least the polls are going the right way at least as far as Quinnipiac poll is concerned, triple eight, nine hundred thirty three ninety three Bruno in Maryland. You're on the blaze. Hey, good. So I was just wondering like this whole thing with the. The situation with the the the cavenaugh thing. Yeah. So what I'm hearing from you guys as far as obstruction, concerned, all this was going on pretty intolerable. But I'm just wondering like, you know, all this could have been avoided. You know if Republicans would have done the right thing before and what went ahead and pushed in mayor garland, where that he was supposed to have been. Well, we, we thought we thought at that time they should have given him an upper down vote night we, yeah, we said that multiple times I, I wish they would have done that because he would have he would have been denied the confirmation, but he would have had is he would have had his day. So yeah, the they should have voted on garland. But the difference is that was the presidential election we were coming up on and that was going to change the whole nomination process so that it's a little bit different situation. However, we're pretty consistent in that we will. We wanted Republicans to just give them a day in court. Go ahead, give him his say, put it up to vote in the Senate. He's gonna lose and then we move on know what it would have been great per sheet. It. Thanks. But would that have precluded what's happening now? No, don't. I mean, you got to be pretty naive to think even if they had voted for garland that the Democrats would be doing anything different right now they still be trying to draw this thing out past the election. But the, you know, the president change in two thousand sixteen was pretty huge. 'cause you're went from a, you went from a you would have gone from a liberal nominee to a conservative one, and that's what they wanted in. So they try to draw that process out here. You're still going to get the same type of nominee. So there are some differences to this. But yeah, we said it multiple times, give him his vote. I mean, don't you have the majority in the Senate anyway, give him his vote to confirm him. And that was so unusual is that was one of the very few times that the Senate leadership GOP leadership put their foot down to bomb or. Yeah, yes. And that was the one time it didn't. Exactly right. So this is so weird, very straightening because he died. He died in December, right? Wasn't December the school. Nine. In December of the previous year, twenty eight fifteen, right? Isn't that right? I don't remember what monthly died anyway. Yeah, but I mean they could have. I think it was summertime, wasn't it when Obama finally or maybe maybe it was only spring when he nominated garland, but they they could have passed on him anyway. They could held the vote and said, no, no, thank you. And then the process would have fallen where it did anyway to Donald Trump. Everybody twenty sixteen yeah. So I don't know, maybe maybe write it into the constitution that you know. There's a time limit on when when you get to a point, I don't know, but it's just it's just a symptom of nasty. Political scene? Yeah, nasty political age yet what a surprise. It's all partisan stuff steward in Virginia. Hi, you're on the blaze, hey, Pat. To begin with. Sorry, we lost you friend. Thank you. You know, with regards to these hearings going on the judge of, you know, Monday's going to be. It's gonna be a circus no matter what. This lady does not show up, you know, they'll be sitting up that everybody's got their speeches. Mome somebody on the Republican side as the foresight to say, okay. So to finally, did you discuss this would enter your colleagues on that's out of the out when y'all had your conference call? Did you bring this up at all any of you guys? That's how they all know this in advance. Point. One point, two lady doesn't show all hope. Gravelly has the guts enough to slam the gavel down. Say we're voting now. Me too. All right. Thank you. Thanks. Rarely does that happen though. I don't know what it is, but you can almost never count on these Republicans in office to do something bold and strong and stand up to the other side and say, no, we're, we're doing this. Now you don't let you had plenty of time and you know they all knew they all know about this woman since at least July and probably before that. But they waited until the last minute because they want to get to the election, David, Ohio, you're on the blaze, how you doing Pat? Yeah, it was wondering if she does show up to testify or give her testimony. She would be under oath. I mean, your congress believe you're giving you've gotta be under oath. Yes. No, she was caught lying. Would that be perjury because you're congress, what? Oh, so she, she actually could be charged with if she was. Well. I don't really know how they're going to find out the truth because he's gonna say no. Oh, she's gonna say if she doesn't show up, she's gonna say yes, no, real way to find this out. So it says circus. Exactly, exactly. But I think they should do is I mean any. I mean person man or woman than allegations charges against somebody that's sexual Roeber salt. This that are in pushes it with to this point should be charged with something to show that we're not playing this game. You're not going to sit there and make Falk Ebola patients against somebody, and we're gonna go over this. And basically it's going to be a line where you're not gonna pay the price because you're putting this man's because that's something you don't come back from rape or child molestation or something severe like that, you're labeled in the public. Has that no matter if you're innocent, we should take these people in like this woman lies or charging you and show people out there that this is going to happen, Dianne Feinstein, they should reprimand or thrower out of congress. You don't. I mean, if you know 'cause she's pushing this and she, I don't know if this is true. She's, it's just. It's a show there just, but I believe they should if she does show up, but there's no way to prove that she's lying. So it's just the show. I was just wondering that if it is perjury, if she's lying. Yeah, I'm sure they'll put her under oath prohibitive. Yeah, you can't lie to congress people. People who've been convicted of perjury. Tend to go to jail, so you don't. You don't wanna go there before the and maybe that's why she's had hedging on this. Maybe she doesn't want to be put under oath and say the things she said, wouldn't that be interesting. You mean might ima put yourself in danger of charges if you come here and say what you've been saying. It's interesting. But I, I don't know. I don't have an awful lot of confidence in the Republicans for them to really be bold on this and really pushed issue. I helped me do, we'll see, but they gave the deadline for her answer of tomorrow. So by tomorrow she there needs to say, yeah, I'll be there or non, not gonna come. I'm not gonna come to that hearing to Gasco. It's a circus I'm not gonna do it and then they move on and just like the caller said, that's when you vote. Yep. You make an announcement at the Senate. You just say, hey, we got some new information. We wanted to have a hearing and then Grassley bangs. The gavel says, all right time for the vote. Yes, you haven't shown up. That'd be great. Now we're gonna vote or the gods of that happening. That would be awesome. Yeah, triple eight. Nine hundred thirty three ninety three. 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So he missed a scheduled flight back to the United States and is thought to have left the country after a friend of the sixteen year old sexual assault victim alleged sexual assault told him that police were investigating him. They don't know why he went to Taiwan. They said he does travel frequently there. So apparently not trying to flee the country. But he's been entered into a national law enforcement compute computer for sexual assault of child. What is he resisting? I don't know. In whose conception. Maybe the state of Texas under what paradigm laws of the state of Texas. Just resisting what am I resisting? I don't know. Maybe statutory rape laws. I've, I don't know. Arrest at this point. It sounds like man, Amana, chev- it's not. That's so I, I hope he didn't do this, but. Supposedly, you know, the left hates him now anyway. So they're going to be looking for stuff. And then when you provide them with possible, things like this. Well, of course they're going to jump all over it. Apparently he had an online conversation with a girl under the age of seventeen and her friend says that he took her to a hotel. They met actually in person, and he took her to a hotel. They had sex. So that would be if she's sixteen, you know, statutory rape. Was there. Was there something about and then he supposedly paid her five hundred dollars? Yeah. Yeah, that's what I was gonna ask. So it could be a couple of charges. They're they. The girl told authorities that she created an account on sugar. Daddy meet dot com. That sounds like a quality website right there. It sounds like we're classy. People get together online, and then they began exchanging messages. He used the username Senju row and but then eventually told her, I'm Cody Wilson. I'm kind of a big deal. Some of the bitcoin rights, right? Yeah, allegedly. The the girl's friends said that coating took her to a hotel allegedly in and. They had sex, and then he drove her back to a water burger location and left her there. Wow, interesting. I don't know if she just was really hungry for that. Double bacon cheese thing afterwards, or I mean, it could have been, you know, she knew somebody there that was going to take her home. I don't know. I works if it's late enough, I you could get the bub there. You know the on a bun. All that's right. Could be. That's right. Might be. But I mean, she got to be let down if she signed up on sugar, daddies dot com. Date ended up taking her to what a burger. That's what you're looking for this. I just I helped this didn't happen. Yeah, me too. Because you know, he's he's a really smart guy. This is a really stupid thing. You would hope he didn't didn't do this triple eight, nine hundred thirty three Ninety-three Jody in Utah. You're on the blaze high. I have a quick question that mostly rhetorical and then a bigger question. So the quick question that's mostly rhetorical is what the hell are they thinking to say, well, this is in retaliation of merit. Garland Gorsuch came in between if you're going to retaliate, do it now and get it over with. I don't know why you're going to sit on this and wait and wait and wait. That doesn't make sense to me that terkel the bigger question is, does Grassley have the cojones to call a press conference five minutes after the deadline tomorrow when she says no and says, we're not holding a hearing. She can't be bothered to show she can. You know she had her chance to speak. Now she can privy holder piece. We're going to the floor vote Monday. Thank you. Know questions. Take a, does. He have the guts, I doubt it love to see that though. You know, if for shipping call Jodi, if Republicans. Would conduct their business like that. They'd have a heck of a lot more support than they do now. If they gave us that clear cut difference that we're looking for that we're so desperate for. They wouldn't be in danger of losing control of the of the house and the Senate right now, it's again for the million time. It's why Donald Trump got elected because that's the perception of Trump that he says, things he's bowled. He sticks to it. Now he doesn't stick to everything every case, but enough so that people have really been impressed with him and they want that stand up to the other side. That's what we want, and it's what they almost never do. Maybe this'll be a pleasant surprise for us. I don't know. We'll see Denise in Virginia. You're on the blaze. All right. How are you? Good. Cavanaugh it's the allegations that she's making is true. Why did she go to the democrat party to report it? And so going to the police thirty six years ago. In fact, why? Why didn't you do that thirty six years ago? Yeah, thanks to its and that's the case in how many of these situations in almost every one of these accusations. Now they're things that happen ten fifteen twenty thirty years ago. It's impossible to prove now how do you prove that? Specially in this case, there's no friends stuff. He touched her over her clothes allegedly, and then somebody jumped on the top of both of them and they all fell to the floor. And then she left and that's the extent of it. That's what happened according to her. Now Cording him. None of that took place. So it's it's, he said, she said, and he's got his friends who are coming forward. And apparently she's got people who either are friends or are playing the political game. And initially at least saying, yeah, this happened. It was a big buzz at school. And then the next day retracting that walking it completely back and saying, I don't know. I don't know that habit. I've got no proof on. Wow. It's a crazy world. A crazy crazy world triple eight, nine hundred thirty three ninety three and paddle east on Twitter. Pad gray unleashed on the blaze radio network. At grade is here on the blaze radio network. Triple eight, nine hundred thirty three ninety three and Pat at least on Twitter by the way traffic and weather together every seven minutes on the sixes all day long and all night to check your math. Sorry, it's every six minutes on the sevens. And tomorrow we're switching it though. I don't know why the. Have to rework this, but it's going to be every nine minutes on the threes beginning tomorrow. So why are we changing it again? I don't know audience. Around are exactly on the seven, then they go to nine minutes on the threes. I dunno speaking tomorrow though, at this time hours from now. That's right, privy moron. Trivia. So we'll have all the traffic here on stadium traffic frog, nine nine that you need to get wherever you're going to plan, your tailgate. You don't wanna be sitting in traffic rather be celebrating the fact that the New England Patriots are playing at the Detroit Lions, and that'll be our game. So Detroit's the home team? Yes. We'll be starting in Detroit with their convenience store clerks and it's always an adventure when we go to Detroit. So that'll be fun. That's a bold move by the National Football League. Putting a night game in the city of Detroit, very bolt, very bolt. Things couldn't go much worse though for the NFL than they are. Right. Seems like boy, does Shawn Watson though. He's a man, I'll tell you what he stood up to that. There's a guy who tweeted out a racial thing about him. Yeah, that's right. A Facebook post or something. Yeah. Yeah. He tweeted out so Watson could Shawn Watson, who's the quarterback of the Houston, Texas for everybody and end familiar those villas Keats fantasy team but continue. Okay. This is right here. Important. Aside when a school official made a racist comment about black quarterbacks and it was directed specifically at the Shawn Watson. So the media, of course want to jump on that and get him to fire this thing up and will massive controversy about what a racist country where in nothing's changed in do the whole Beddel Rourke speech about how we're still in Jim crow times. Here's what he said. Yeah, that's on him. Let peace be with them. I'm all about love. That is, I just became a huge to Shawn Watson fan. I liked him before, but this really cements that. So what the guy say. Something that actually was quite racist that may have been the most. He was talking about a decision to Shawn Watson made in the last game, may have been the most inept quarterback decision I've ever seen in the NFL he wrote when you need precision decision making, you can't count on a black quarterback, oh, out. From foot borough. Let's keep Jackson used to say, wow. He later said, yeah, I n tended that comment to be private. He regretted the posting, the comment under a story on the Krahn dot com. Facebook page, it's Houston, chronicle Facebook page. So you meant to be a private racist, not a public racist. Okay, that makes big difference. I wanted to stay in the closet with my racism, but somehow that went public, I've dang it so, but to Shawn Watson could made a huge thing out of it. Right. And he could have. He could have made that. The whole momentum Shifter in the kneeling and this social Justice stuff that's going on in the NFL instead that's on him. Let peace be with him. I'm all about love, great way to handle it. Thank you Sean and hopefully the Texas. We'll get into the wind columnist week against the jets, triple eight, nine hundred thirty three ninety three. Meanwhile Jalen Drummond who is a black intern at the White House. He is been ridiculed over the last month or so. He's gotten all kinds of racist comments against him and it's all because he works at the White House and he's black. He's an university of Alabama graduate. And he was the black person in the photo of all the interns of the White House. As they put it, it featured his smiling face amid a sea of other white in turns. So in addition to the criticism you faced on the internet website, funnier die, even made drums appearance in the photo a mean comparing him to the black protagonist from get out that movie from a couple years ago. So. He is kind of on moved by all of this stuff, but these wonderful inclusive loving lefties have just torn into him online and they've called him the house n word. N. worse and you know that's actual racism though. That's not a dog whistle. I don't know if you idiots. No, this that's beyond dog whistle stuff that's not code for anything. That's the actual racism. He said, I never a million years would I have thought that such an opportunity would be stowed upon me in every kid who was raised in rural, Alabama and educated at a poor country school county school. That's what he said about his opportunity to go to the White House and an intern. There. He just he considered it an honor to serve in the White House and thought, what a, what a great country. And instead these idiots are calling them all kinds of racial nonsense. Just really said, really sad where we've. Where we've gotten to. Speaking of which can our rhetoric get any better. We have at least one indication that maybe it can. Maybe there's hope maybe we can come together and make a difference. Anybody remember Cameron Caskey. He's, he was with David Hogg on an appearance on Bill Maher show, and he's the one that got really carried away and to the point where Bill Maher had to save way will what will I'm? I'm a friend. I'm not the enemy. Just to remind you here, is that exchange between he and Bill Maher on gun control? A lot of people, a lot of people are trying to take us down quickly. They're trying to discredit us trying to say, we don't know what we're talking about. Well, until you've been on the receiving end actors. I am an actor actually. I'm in spring awakening right now at the Barclay performing arts center. It's a great show. What I'm saying? You know, you could say that we don't know what we're talking about because we're seventeen years old, but until you've been on the receiving end of an AR fifteen until you've been locked into your Wayne, LaPierre, Dana Loesch. I don't know. I don't know if you guys have ever had to deal with that, but as far as I know, that's not the case. We've been locked in a classroom. We have seen our friends text their parents, goodbye. We are the experts. We know exactly what we're talking about. How dare you tell us. We don't know what I'm friend. Let's let's take that again. I mean, even Bill marr knows how, yeah. Over the top that kid was. Wouldn't that happen? Like in spring sometime. March. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Between March and now something has happened to this kid. This is pretty amazing. He told Fox News, radio's guy, Benson, and Marie Harf that he's learned to listen to other people's perspectives areas. It's summer when March for life went on the summer tour of the embarked on. I met that person in Texas who's got that semiautomatic weapon because that's how they like to protect family. I'm at, I'm at fifty. Some odd percent of women who are pro-life, even though I thought that it was preposterous, but a woman could be pro life or not pro choice at the time. I learned that. A lot of our issues politically come from a lack of understanding the perspectives, and and also just the the fact that so often young young -servative young liberal, we'll go into debate. Like I said earlier, trying to beat the other one as opposed to come to an agreement. And then you know, that's not real. It's important for us to be competitive because I think competition is very important for everything, but it comes to a point where all we're doing right now is Dr other apart. I mean, the people who who were okay with Trump will now forgive him for anything and the people who didn't like Trump pretend at every single thing he does is pure utter evil, and and I, it's a direction we need to head away from. So I'm working out the effort to encourage bipartisanship at least discussion that is not that is productive and help a lot of people, the mistakes that I make. Yes. Thank you. Cameron. That's incredible. What a transformation of this kid in a really short, what less than six months. That's pretty amazing that freeze. Hopefully they'll avoid the mistakes that I made sound like Glenn that that's pretty. That's pretty powerful. That's very powerful that kid grew up kid grew up. I well, it shows that at seventeen you think, you know where everything, and then you have some life experiences where you talked to other people at different points of view, and you find out they're not demons. You find out there are reasons people believe the way they do. And I mean that as a compliment. Yeah, he went from a yes to a man over six months. I'm considered least intellectually. Thank you and there was more, here's here's what else? He said. I say regretful of a lot of mistakes that I made along the way and and one of the. Things I never really did was watch myself if I was on a screen. I kind of tried to run away from it. I, I'm not sure why, but looking back on that, you know, it's, it's, like you said, you touched up on this very well, the intro I'm not gonna kick myself for it. 'cause I had, you know, I'm I'm seventeen. And despite the fact that I thought I did at the time, it turns out I don't know everything but, but I but I looked at right there. Did you people who had just been buried positive for looking at fairly not. Okay. There we go. Did you hear what he just said? Despite the fact that I was seventeen, I thought I knew everything I didn't. Wow. That just that admission is worth its weight and gold. Yours arrest. Murderer team, the weapon, you hard not to to say something like that, but but I went into that wanting less conversation and more embarrassed Rubio and that was my biggest flaw. That was the biggest problem with my corroborative was I was going into to jab at somebody when I could have gone in and said, what can we do here? There's a kid who's grown a lot in a short period of time while really surprising more than for him. Most adults involved in this discussion. Yeah, seriously. Thank you certainly better than David Hogg. I mean, that kid has shown no restraint that I've seen. So I mean, that's that's great. 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So I've been hearing about this secret film that is being made in Hollywood and a lot of people when they found out what was being made backed out of the project. And so they had to scramble to find people who could who would actually be willing to be in the movie. And I guess this is coming to Netflix soon. It's called reversing Roe. Here's a, here's a look at the preview since twenty ten, three hundred abortion restrictions have been passed in his country. Many people are unaware of how restricted abortion has become the. Legislative priority needs to be something that will stop abortions when four women will have an abortion in their life. And when I think about how politicized this has become, I wonder, how did this happen? It's the basis of democracy that you control your own body. So the question is, who gets to make the decision? Is it the woman or is it the government. Monumental moment for this. Cream court Justice, Anthony Kennedy is retiring. There is a very real concern that Trump is going to point antiabortion judges. We've been very effective in targeting abortionists when worship Clinton's closed babies get saved. The idea that we would go back to that was just unbearable to me. Life is winning again. If doctors can't perform the procedure or clinics can't keep their doors open, then what are we left with. Baby's human being surviving. That's what we're left with. It's pretty amazing how they can't grasp that concept and that we believe that concept so strongly that that is human life that you're taking. It's so it's not about your body. It's about the body inside of you. That's what it's about. There's another person to consider here that you can't just dismiss. But they can't seem to get their heads around that. They just think we're, we're trying to be controlling a women as they try to control even the things that we can eat. Michelle Obama went around the country, stopping people from being able to eat certain foods at school. Michael Bloomberg tried to ban certain things in restaurants, and in fact, did. And that movement continues, they've tried to take away salt from people that tried to take away transfats. They've tried to take away cholesterol substances with any kind of food with a high cholesterol contact, which by the way they just found out there's nothing to the cholesterol thing. So they want to control our food, but they don't think we should be able to say, hey, wait a minute. What about the life inside of you? Are you going to consider that at all? So that'll be interesting to see how that doesn't athletes win when it comes out. It's a hugely contentious topic, but it's a topic we've we gotta discuss now. We gave up that ground for far too long and look what happened. It just it's by road completely out of control in sixty million. People are not alive today that otherwise would have been more than that. Yeah, their offspring eventually now it's true. Yeah, triple eight. Nine hundred thirty three Ninety-three alias. Dr. Chris Pratt is denying right now that Hollywood is anti-christian or anti religion. And he talked about why he's been so outspoken about its Christian faith. Lately, he said that he doesn't believe Hollywood is judge mental for someone having a religion or belief system, and it's pretty easy going with the entire notion. He said, I think that there's this narrative that exists out there that Hollywood is anti-christian or anti religious, but it's just not the case. They're kind of not anti anything. What. They are kind of pro, whatever is authentic to you. What? What? What are planet or you living on somebody? Right. That guy some lines man quick. She's so I like that because it's thank for me to be pro-christian pro Jesus. That's my thing. I like it and I've never had anyone tried to shame me to my face all believe me, Chris, they're doing it behind your. Wow. He said, if that's the case, go ahead, you can say, whatever you want to me to my face or behind my back. I'm not going to change. That's good. I don't know that I'm so much more motivated by where the world is or just what I'm feeling called to do right now. I think it's a combination of things that kind of message. It might not be for everybody, but there is a group of people for whom that message is designed. He added that there are fewer things more fulfilling. Than being able to hit the right spot at the right time. Nothing fills my soul more than to think that maybe some kid watching would say, hey, I've been thinking about that. I've been thinking about praying. Let me try that out. That's like the only way I feel I can repay. What has essentially been a giant gift in my life. It's nice. But again, I don't maybe doesn't get out in Hollywood all that much or read things in the newspaper or watch television or get on the internet. Live on the planet. Okay. But they are not pro, hey, whatever goes, wow. Nothing could be less true than that. No. And in fact Hollywood and those on the far left really enjoy manufacturing controversy where none exists. Like for example, seeing white power symbols where none exist. What? No, I grew old. We think this meant, okay. No, can I do. He just made the white supremacy. Similize said the okay. It was the okay. It used to be, but that's not what it is and you know, oh, Kay. The legend is or the theory is that when you make the old these three fingers, forma w. Like white power. I guess I, I don't know. I only need one finger to express myself but continue. But it's interesting to see the number of people who are flashing this. I now showing their white supremacy feelings started with what's her name Zena Basch. Is that right? A law clerk for cavenaugh sitting behind it all scratching her arm, and it showed her there. We've got the picture of the blaze TV oh no. She scratched her arm with her finger how dare you look at the white supremacy. You will be stunned at the number of people though who are starting to do this because it's, yeah, they wanna show into white supremacy. They are. Here's another person who's flash this simple Oprah Winfrey, the double white supremacist doing it with both hands leave that is on real to how does she have a network or a show, look at this person beyond say, oh my goodness, what is happening again, the double. Double symbol, rub our faces in that and a felon cap, or is that guy. With the white supremacy simple before your hair grow out to look at that. Okay. Eddie Murphy MS buckling days. Oh, Tae. What he really was saying was white power. That's what he was saying. Okay, but that's it right there. Alexandria, you Cortes and that guy flashed in the white supremacy. Wow. And. Bill Clinton, Bill Clinton, I feel your pain, why power? Everybody. Why power. Jesus. Okay. Okay. She'll stupid. It is. That's it's not a symbol of white supremacy. In fact, I think that was created is like a joke to show how gullible the left is, and they bought it and they bought into it. Absolutely. One hundred percent. Anyway, she's stuff. It's really funny. All right, triple eight, nine hundred thirty three ninety three and at Pat unleashed on Twitter coming up in just a second. We have Jeffey with chewing the fat. We'll get to that next. Pat gray only on the blaze radio network. At gray. It's time for the fat Jeffey less than a week to fall. Two thousand eighteen. I I'm with you Pat. It's time to cool down. Oh, please go. I've had enough of the fires of hell and now it won't cool down here in September or October. It'll be November. But by December it should be about eighty nine. So looking forward. All right. That's relieves change. It gets cold. Yes. In the rest of the country can get excited about that. It actually happens in the rest of. Just doesn't happen here. What was it? Ninety eight yesterday. Miserable humid. Get a lot of rain. So the humidity kicks up on the mosquitoes. I know. Meanwhile, yeah, but the right has helped my daughter's cantaloupes. I'm glad to hear that. They're good worried about your titles cantaloupes. What are you doing right now? Cantaloupes. And what else? Just cantaloupes just cantaloupes that you know of k. It's a Fishawy the snowy est September in history for Edmonton Canada temperatures remain well below seasonal this week, and there's a potential for another twenty centimeters of snow. I don't. So what is eighteen feet is an inch extra. Nobody knows there's no way nobody knows. No way to know that. It's a record snowfall. It's Denver eight inches. The metric system. It's a record all. I guess that too is global warming. I don't know. So maybe that's why Michael Moore says that, you know his new film doesn't doesn't do well. He's going to move to Canada trouble, please. I say, bye. Bye. Yeah, he's looking good. Look. He knows that this controversy because he draws explicit parallels between Trump's political trajectory Hitler's rise to power. My gosh. Always going to be good. It's going to be good. Listen if by taking Trump's mask off and exposes what he's really up to what's really going on here, and you may need to see it because you often don't get to see it before. It's too late. I'm hoping it's not too late, but if it's too late, I moved into Canada and look. He makes a good case to become a Canadian citizen because. Grandfather's Ontario routes, as well as his devotion to the Canadian may blackberry should get him right into being okay, so this doesn't. But what is to become a cow? My grandfather loved Canada, and I like the blackberry. So. Please? No, no, no, you can't? No, no. Sorry. If Canada does take, that'd be great. I want candidate to take. Welcome to go ahead. Yeah, he's pretty close. It'd be outside of Detroit lives in Michigan. So. Just open up the bridge, let them drive humble little, you know, ten thousand square foot mansion. It's just, you know, it's not that big. It's not Austin tasteless, right? Because he wants to relate to the little people. Well, looks a little people have a lake that it's on right as he does. See the little people over his boathouse when they're going by. That was it works out really good place for this. This is kind of torn between the story, whether I, I like it or whether it's a bad is a bad, you know, it is a bad thing, but it's kind of where we're headed and I don't really like it. William Smith twenty eight from Aurora, Illinois. It was was arrested last month. Following allegations by his then girlfriend that he had raped her eight-year-old daughter right now Smith was founded possession of child pornography. He was arrested on two counts related child pornography and one count of child molestation. The judge ruled that he didn't pose a threat to the local community and raise the thirty thousand dollar bail and free walking around the streets. The victim's family little shock, of course that he's walking around free. He was awaiting trial for his crimes. Well, the judge whose name they won't tell us was up around three AM. Dog was barking going crazy. When. Outside to find that the dog had founded decapitated body of the Manny law that he let free somebody took that off and left the body right in front of the judges house all while ago. So that's a bad Bill. He's dirtbag no question, but I don't know that we need to be taking the law hands and that's the way we're headed. That's a, that's a bad bad deal. Good news. Another more good news coming from the world news Colombian, cocaine, production, hit record levels last year. That's good news. I mean, right. The UN drugs and cry. You know, Columbia, here you go. Say Columbia says their production rose thirty. One percent in two thousand seventeen. They're the largest producer of cocaine, but Columbia is just milking for money. All right. We give them four hundred million a year. The UN gives them three hundred million a year, and that is to, you know, assist the war on drugs, reducing production of cocaine as working out because it doesn't seem to be money just blown in the wind. But fortunately, the new president is going to create a new drug-fighting policy, and that goal is going to have concrete results. I mean, it was really good, right, bright. So just keep sending the money, please setting the because we can't fight it without your money. And you know, every penny is going right, where you intended by the war on cocaine, and it's good that seven hundred million dollars. They're getting from the United States and the UN are two separate entities because the UN is loaded with cash, right? That's not what's not. Just the United States giving them this money, United States and the United Nations. Yes. And all of its our money. Every dime every dime, nobody their union dues or they're, they're United Nations, twos except us. We're about the only ones so bad. This is kind of cool. This is kind of a cool story to to youngsters, impair land, Texas to youngsters. These young guys are eating at McDonald's and they looked around and they were like. I don't have any Asians in the pictures here on the wall in McDonalds, and they're two Asians, and they were that other races, but no Asians, we felt like it was our duty to put ourselves up there. So they concocted a scheme by they bought McDonald's uniforms from goodwill, they created fake badges. They made this big poster of them eighty McDonald's to eighty McDonald's. If you're watching television, you can see the poster that they put up in in McDonalds, thought they were gonna get in trouble. They put it up in the store. It was there for fifty one days employees were like guess, longer somebody problem. So it goes viral. They go on Ellen Degeneres, and McDonald's says, you know what? We do need more Asian American representation in our marketing. So they're going to feature them both in an upcoming campaign and they're going to give it twenty five grand for the promotion. Nice say I would say twenty five grand for the fifty one days. And then I'm going to be in the promotion and in a little bit more money. I twenty five grads just start. Yeah, just the start, but that's kind of cool. That's kind of cool. And it was it was a prank that didn't hurt anybody, right? It was just promotion. It was great for those of you that want need life insurance, and there's some of that need more than others. Believe me, it's no longer going to be able to buy insurance policy from John handcock unless you either have a wearable device from the apple watched or fit bit capable of logging your activity because the firm announced today, chain, new policies did policies. You don't unless you're gonna wear this and we're able to track your exercise and what you're doing with your life where insurance have a nice day. Now, you know, plenty of insurance companies for the past. Twenty years. Have had deals where they want you to exercise and they give you discounts for gyms and they give you discounts for whatever kind of exercise you program on. I have an opt for any of those yet. No, they're available are available. But now I mean, they're, they want if you're going to get any kind of insurance at all. Here you go. Here you go where this want to know what you're doing and just wait to the government's demands access to that. Wait till the start demanding that you eat certain things that you exercise a certain amount. I'm not going to be that you take ten thousand steps a day or whatever that they will do that. I'm not going to be able to binge any shows anymore. It's going to be Hello sitting on a couch for five hours at move fat lung. Otherwise, we're going to cancel your insurance. Right, right. Can easily see that have absolutely. There's there's no question that's going to happen. Good news from Amazon though, and look, I is. It's going to be as on really the world soon, right? If they don't already really. Yeah. I mean they're considering a plan to open as many as three thousand three thousand new Amazon. Go cashier, cashier 'less stores in the next few years. Three thousand three thousand that would go grocery stores or well, seven, eleven subway, Panara bread. It's like the story where you go in like they opened up in Seattle, use the app. You go in, takes the shelf and leave, you know jars you because it's for pick up a quick bite to eat for people in a rush. You know, it's a, they want their phones at the phones. Go by that turnstile and then whatever you take boop, you're count. Yeah. So they've got one in the, they've got two or three stores open already. And they're planning on fifty locations in major metro areas by next year and as many as three thousand by twenty twenty one. So seven eleven. I mean, good luck. Yeah, that's the only saving thing is that they don't sell gas gasoline. Right. So you still are going to go to those convenience stores for gas, but why would you go there? I guess because you're getting gas, it's the convenience of having it there, but they're not doing most of it is going to be in urban areas. I mean, that's what they want. They want the urban areas, young affluent residents where they can. You know, people are walking within like a quarter of a mile. I mean, big cities, right? New York, Chicago, those cities where in Dallas that have to be about two blocks apart because people are walking anymore than Dallas. Yes, too hot out. No, I drive a car through now. If you have an air conditioned underground tunnel to get me there, I might consider that the underground city. Have you ever been down there? No, I have not either. Instance, but I've never been to either. I didn't even know Dallas had one do they have and it's been, you know, they like in Houston, I think so they built it a bunch of years ago thinking that it was going to save businesses and what it did is killed down down as everybody came downtown and went. Nobody's here right. That is the danger of that. Yeah. I mean, maybe you do it in have glass for glass ceiling. Got everybody down there. Okay, that's where all down there. Okay. Go there. And speaking of Amazon and companies as they have the new list of the top ten most relevant brands to consumers that are out, right. Okay. Relevant, private survey. Twelve thousand six hundred ninety four consumers in the US two hundred ninety nine brands. Thirty seven different industries, right? Customer obsession brand. You can't live without pragmatist brands. You can depend on brands that consistently innovate brands that inspire you. Right? Number ten. Nike number nine, Spotify, right? Number eight kitchen aid. Number seven, Samsung getting number six, Google number five, Android, number four net flicks number three, Pinterest? Number two, Amazon. Apple has to be. Pinterest was the only social media giant to crack the top ten. Is really fascinating and Netflix, right is they want was on still has their streaming service. I guess apple is coming on board with that. So I mean, but Facebook, Twitter, snap, Instagram, YouTube, none of those in the top ten. That's pretty amazing. I think that forget when this when they said this, they actually took this. So, I mean, this is probably if you take this the end of this year, some that might change Nike might everything's changing so fast? Yeah. Well, I mean, like it will lead you to believe that they're better off now. Right? I mean, that's their, that's their pro. I don't know that to be true, but they would certainly lead you to believe that. That's true. You know, parents in schools yesterday we talked a little bit about homeschooling. We've talked about home schooling on the show for forever, and the reasons that we home school, this mother in Texas talk a little took a little punishment to her own inner own way, Texas. Mother, thank you for being in Texas. Her son had been bullying kids at school. So she sent him to school with a t shirt that said, I have a bully on it pretty. I mean, he was calling other boys stupid, calling them idiots. And when she learned that her son was doing that, she had to wear the t shirt that read I am. And if you're watching television the kid with his tee-shirt a very old school parent Connell, my children, I don't sugarcoat the world to them. She posted the pictures on Facebook, but then she took those down because of all the negative comments, people were all wound up better psychologist or saying, you know, I don't know if that's what exactly the way who should treat children and what you should do with children. The school was all for it and one psychologist, one of my favorite lines was I don't think it requires the scarlet letter searing the letter b. on his forehead. Well, that's not what she did. Guess what you take the t-shirt off. He has right, not. I don't think we didn't. We didn't Brandon. I don't think it's worth branding, either horrid. Fortunately, we don't have to worry about. School is all on board. They understood why I was doing it while it's worth. It should drop and the kids head off and using it for basketball practice. Agreed. Yeah, I agree with you. It's not hundred percent Dr. Bad. The mob last day, but he'll survive. He's already been treating his sisters better treating his cousins, better. He learned from it. That's what matters. Awesome, right. I know. And then we have a school in the UK that. Kind of this is where we're coming out with the school with the kid with I am a bully. The mama took her little son to school on a brand new day. Charlie, six, he got a little punk hairstyle himself. He was excited to show off to his classmates, had the had all punched up ready for school, and they call the school called and said, no, it's their cuts cannot go to wild and crazy. You cannot have a haircut like that in school that mohawk will not do. We're not having that. And also she said that one teacher said, look, maybe need to shave that because. Might be book somebody's eye out. His hair poke somebody's hair with Berwick or maybe some kind of spray. He'll be fine, but they had it took him out of the school for a few days and they let them back in school, but they water it down. They won't let him have his like that. I mean, that's where they're out of the United Kingdom. So coming to a school near you here in the US very soon we hear stories like that all the time. It was dumb teachers and administrators acting like that for a little kid with his go to school. Erica, there's no wild haircuts allowed in the school. It's okay. Thank you. I mean, he doesn't have an Iranian is knows it doesn't have an earring in his ear or a big chunk of a lead hanging from his bottom lip just a haircut. Yeah, it's just a haircut, all right. We got more chewing the fat coming up with Jeffey just a second year. We tell you about how you can keep your ears clean and be able to hear feel better. Use wax Rx dot com is the place you need to go wax. 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A well died on a beach, and that's what they do. I don't know problem, but up in New Hampshire or where the heck wasn't? Yeah, New Hampshire ride New Hampshire. They had this wail on the beach and they decided, hey, how do we get rid of it? And somebody said, well, we'll just bring in the bring in the tractor with with the bucket and we'll put it in a dumpster. And there's a, if you watch, I blaze television. You'll see pick up the whale it's wail and obviously it's not going to fit in to the dumpster signing do, but the guy. It's unbelievable. What. Any as you have the sheriff, they've talked to, Jerry goes, yeah, I was a bad idea, but they brought in a bigger aby should've Masur. Brought it your dumpster, stay there all day, and then they brought it a different dumpster the next day and it was a big with. Yeah. Yeah, you know, somebody said, well, we got a baby whale. So they're thinking about the baby in this store. They talk about this dead WALE in Oregon back in nineteen seventy. And I think remember that at all and I seventy. Nobody's got got cell phones there. Nobody's reporting this. It's just a story that I see. There's a news report. Okay for Florence, Oregon, if nineteen seventy the sperm whale dies. The beat their idea is that they're going to blow it up so that it's all tiny pieces and all the seagulls have food to eat. I mean, it's kind of you know, he'd never let that happen today now jets. Oh my gosh. You can't blow up. It's dead dead. It doesn't care. This point be protesting. Yeah. So they interview the the guy that put the dynamo they bring dynamite. It'd be like twenty cases of dynamite in this wail. They don't know how much they don't know how much they're going to need. Talk to the guy goes the Barabbas. I don't know how much we're going to need. Got it. Got it boxed in there, so it should explode back out. Into the ocean. The seagulls could have it, and the news report is filled with other people will be to the sand dunes. People have come to see them explode. The whale the sperm, this. Mass flow wail pieces are flying in front of the camera. Whale pieces are flying. All over. People are duck good running for cover the cameraman stuff recording. Okay. Here's the news report suddenly gave way to run for survival is huge chunks of whale blubber fell everywhere. See that happening are you couldn't evacuate into spectators escape both the falling over automobiles apart car over crush mile some of the target of. Human was hit as badly as the car over everyone on the scene was covered with small particles of dead WALE. Was going to happen. Of course, the wheel is going to land somewhere best things ever, obviously enough dynamite. Obviously the pieces were too big. They needed more smaller. Baller live the seagulls. Got plenty of food. Yeah, that didn't work out for the seagulls, right? Yeah, but that is absolutely the whole report. It's like a five minute report. That's great. Troub- I'll tweet it out because I couldn't believe there was actual footage of it. Right? And they're just put stuff dynamite. Blown-up find what bring the cities here. Everybody's off with watch, blow up as anybody suggested that that we maybe that's a solution to the problem with you. Maybe that's how we get you kind of, you know. I do a whale story. Blaze radio network. Pat gray is here on the blaze radio network. Talk to Representative MO, Brooks of Alabama. Some states and cities are not following federal immigration laws. So the numbers of their citizens are higher because they're actually counting them in the senses when. Caso so that inflates their representation numbers. So probably a an issue that we should maybe take a look at anyway, here's a Representative MO, Brooks of Alabama. Thanks for joining us. My pleasure. You are responsible for one of the greatest audio clips of all time. You've been famous on this show for? I don't know. When did this happen? Like nine, nine years ago when you were on with Contessa brewer? Yes. And this occurred looking at going reverting into a depression at that point, everyone. We're going into a depression. Do you have a degree in economics? Yes, ma'am. I do highest honors. One of the greatest things the history of cable news channels. So thank you for that congressman Brooks again, my pleasure. But your office is bringing attention to the fact that illegal aliens are being counted in the US census and so that's acting representation in Washington, how how is this happening. Well, it's happening because over the years, the census bureau for whatever reason has decided to count everybody in America lawful emigrants, illegal aliens and American citizens, which is one thing. But it's another thing when you start distributing political power based on which state or community has the greatest number of hill legal aliens. And they're roughly nobody knows for sure roughly fifteen million illegal aliens in America. Those communities, those states that harbor them sanctuary cities. In particular, what that means is you're seeing a shift of about twenty congressional seats from states that do not tolerate illegal aliens states that have large numbers of illegal aliens. So in fact, you're rewarding illegal conduct and a state like mine state of Alabama. We're at risk of losing congressional seat if illegal aliens are counted for the. Purposes of distributing political power. That's an electoral college vote for the election of the president states. It's also congressional seat, so I'm doing everything I can to try to assert the protections of the fourteenth amendment. One man, one vote principles h of our vote should be worth the same and our votes in the state of Alabama. And in many other states that are losing congressional seats because of the counting of illegal aliens are votes and are voting power should not be diluted by rewarding those that support this illegal conduct. So how do you put a stop to it? How how? How can we help in in your effort to to stop this process? Why daily? We would do it through the legislative process. But unfortunately, as long as Mitch McConnell in the Senate decides to go with sixty vote rule, instead of majority vote rule, we can't get legislation through the United States Senate that would protect the. Voting rights, American citizens with respect to illegal aliens. So what I have done in conjunction with the state of Alabama and Alabama attorney general, Steve Marshall is we filed a lawsuit in federal court, seeking rid amend damages or an injunction, whatever the declaratory relief may be that compels the census bureau when it's informing congress in the states as to how many congressional seats you have based on the population count the twenty twenty census that illegal aliens will not be counted for the distribution of congressional power, which which only only makes sense, but the democrat Democrats, but it does to Republicans. American citizens are patriotic now the well. The Democrats know that this increases their power base because the the more illegals they have, they think eventually the more the more votes they have because they tend to vote democratic. And I think that's what they're counting on for the future is to allow all of these people to become citizens and then they believe they've increased their voting base by fifteen or twenty million people. Certainly, California is a beneficiary of the county of illegal aliens. They harbor a large number of illegal aliens and you can see where they're coming from. But at the same time, are we going to be the United States? Are we going to be the United Nations? We're going to be the United States in American citizens should be the ones who vote on elect our public officials. Similarly, it should be American citizens that determine how many congressmen, how many electoral college votes each state gets. Now you mentioned where the Democrats are coming from. I mean, let me be real clear. The Democrats won't to dilute the vote of American citizens because they don't like how American citizens are voting after all. American citizens elected a Republican House Republican Senate and a Republican White House. The Democrats don't like that. They much prefer that illegal aliens and lawful immigrants vote in our American elections, and you're seeing that in about a dozen cities across America. Most recently and probably the biggest one is San Francisco, where in San Francisco in a dozen or so other cities that are all democrat Democrats are allowing illegal aliens and non-citizens lawful immigrants to vote lawfully in their local elections. That gives you an idea of what they want to do to the nation as a whole. They don't want us to be the United States. They want us to be the United Nations quite frankly, as evidenced by some of the words of governor Cuomo of New York and others. They don't like the United States, and I think that's most unfortunate, absolutely. We're speaking with the Representative MO Brooks of Alabama, congressman Brooks, what. The odds, one of the things were really concerned with right now is the Republicans losing the majority in the house and possibly even the Senate from your standpoint in Washington, how likely does that seem? Right now? It's very much a toss up. We've got a lot of Senate races that are very close, their razors edge. Just a movement of one or two points, say towards Republicans on election day and all of a sudden we're picking up two or three or four seats. On the other hand, public opinion shifts towards the Democrats want to three points. Then you might see a Senate democrat majority on the flip side in the house. You've got a number of congressman Republican who retired creating open seats. Those are always harder to fan and the Democrats are highly animated to take over the house reinstate, Nancy, Pelosi, and you're seeing what Maxine Waters said repeatedly, and I don't know. People have done the math on this, but let me share whether you're. Real quick. She says, I that she wants to impeach Donald Trump and there are others who agree with her. Okay. Oh, yeah. And second, it doesn't make any difference if he's committed a high crime or misdemeanor or as a violated, any constitutional provision justifies impeachment. They want him gone and they're going to take him out. Then third Maxine Waters also said that she wants to impeach Mike Pence. Well, yeah, those three things together where there's no constitutional basis for impeach Donald Trump and peach Mike Pence. And what do you equal equal? President, Nancy Pelosi because the new house speaker would become president United States, and I'm flabbergasted Democrats and part of the Democratic Party leadership in the house of representatives of which Maxine Waters is would publicly argue for coup-d'etat, but that is exactly what they're advocating when they say they want to impeach President Trump. They won't teach Mike Pence there, the constitution, the house, speak. Then becomes president estates, and quite frankly, I can't think of anything more nauseating than president, Nancy Pelosi. That's that's chilling. I, I frankly haven't heard. I haven't heard the talk of impeaching Pence as well, but Maxine Waters came out for that twice in the last ten to fourteen days stating that might. We're gonna hang out and I guess he would have to be because Pence's even more conservative than than Donald Trump is, and they would that is exactly the way Maxine Waters has expressed it, that Mike Pence is worse than Donald Trump. And of course, if you're socialist or radical leftists. Yeah, anyone who's conservative is worse than someone who's not. But quite frankly, free enterprise works has given us great wealth as a nation has helped make us the greatest nation world history and dadgum socialist. Socialism isn't evil economic doctrine and so much as it kills people and it results in poverty and often results in the downfall the nations that experiment with it. Notwithstanding that history, that's where Maxine Waters and ANSI Pelosi and the other socialists wanna take us well, that's because nobody's done it right yet. Congressman, nobody these people would do it right this time, right? Yes. It's actually what they think they're so smart that they can do better than any other nation in history has been able to. Do it and it's they're flat wrong. It's the economic model socialism that does not work free enterprise works. That's why we're the greatest nation in world history where we have the strongest economy in world history. We have an economic concept that is based on freedom on liberty. You can choose what you want to do. You can choose what you want to be. You can choose what you want to purchase and that liberty is embodied in the concept of a free -eckognize, free enterprise economic system and America's been blessed tremendously by having free enterprise capitalism is our economic model rather than socialism or fascism or some other economic model. I know you don't have a say in this process, but if you had to guess, would you think would you do believe that Brett Cavanaugh will be confirmed by the Senate or or will they find a way to stop this? I'm not in the United States Senate, so I don't know the skinny on the very inside. Everything that I see in here is that if nothing else comes up between now and the time of the vote, that cavenaugh will be approved with a minimum of fifty. One senatorial votes. That's what I'm hearing now, whether that will play out. I don't know. I'm not in the middle of these discussions with some of our more liberal senators like Susan Collins or at least they're Murkowski and you've got some other kind of wildcards like Jeff flake. But from what I understand what I'm hearing, absent, something else coming up are fifty. One Republican senators will respect the right of the president, United States of the constitution to nominate a supreme court Justice. His preference and cavenaugh is a Purba judge. I hope he will be superb supreme court Justice, because that's what is history indicates. He will be joining us. Thanks for taking the time and and thanks for everything you do for the rebel you for trying to help voters be smarter. That's what America needs or at thanks a lot for triple eight, nine hundred thirty. Three ninety. Three more Pat gray unleashed coming up. You're listening to Pat gray on the blaze radio network. Pat gray. You just heard if you're listening moments ago, you just heard the guy who should have been the Senator from Alabama, the newest Senator from the state of Alabama, but Donald Trump kind of put the Khyber on that, didn't he? Yes, by supporting Luther strange, then lost ROY Moore who than loss to a democrat in Alabama. Wow, that's that's what out sex is that that I never thought of. I always thought, you know, the didn't think the census in relation to illegal aliens. Yeah, you know, I just thought of Drina resource though. I never even thought never Kurd to me. Got a ton of non-citizen making up the representation in many, many states manning state, well, they're in every state, and so it affects every state. If you start to count the non citizens. Maybe you could have a separate category. One that doesn't affect the representation numbers and because they're not citizens. But you also know how many illegals are actually here. Yeah. And as he said, this help states that don't enforce immigration laws in places like California thirty, what fifty five electoral votes. Now we're giving them more and more crazy congressman boy. So if you want to let your congressman know how you feel about this, you can you can call and here's the number. I put on a fancy computer graphic here on my computer. It's two, two, two, two, four thirty one twenty one. It's hard to write upside down to pet. Don't judge me two two, two, two, four, three one, twenty one. I'm sure that they will get right on. You know, you know, they will though. They'll be all over your. Your opinions, thoughts, actually pointless. You don't really. Not gonna make a difference. Let's be honest. They're gonna do what they wanna do. It feels like that, but you can't. We can't throw our hands up like that and say whatever it doesn't matter. It has to matter it has to triple eight nine hundred thirty three ninety three and at Pat unleashed on Twitter. President Trump has said that he should've fired James Komi. He mentioned yesterday should fire James Comey the day. He won the primaries. Wait. How would you have done your president yet? What here's here's what he hears. Somebody said. He was talking to the hill. John. Solomon was interviewing the president for he'll TV alongside Buck Sexton actually. Any asked if Trump fired Comey because of his poor handling of the Clinton investigation and not the Russia probe. He said, if I did one mistake with Komi I should've fired him before I got here. You couldn't have fired before you got there 'cause you had no thority do that. He went on to say, I should have fired him the day. I won the primaries. I should've fired him right after the convention. Good heavens say, I don't want that guy or at least fired him the first day on the job will now you could now into possible around. I was about to start firing people in DC. Regular citizen start fire people. Let's do this. I got a list somewhere. You make one for you. Triple eight. Nine hundred thirty three nine three. Also, one of the things that we've talked about lately quite a bit is civil asset forfeiture. Apparently there's a state. What state is it that is Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Delfi of places to city that's trying to eliminate civil asset forfeiture where you just take people's property from them just because you suspect them of a crime, not because they necessarily committed one or have been convicted of it. You just pull up over, something's wrong in their car or maybe not even wrong in their car. But you see that they have a lot of cash and you just take it for the state. Wow. Is that unconstitutional? And it's happened all we told you cases of of people who've lost a recent example of ninety. One thousand eight hundred dollars from a traffic stop in Wyoming. We had the guy in Utah who lost five hundred thousand dollars. Now, why did he have five hundred thousand in cash on him? I don't know, but he wasn't charged with any crime. And that was two or three years ago when he was pulled over, they found the money, they took it. He still hasn't gotten it back and many cases have probable cost to even search your vehicle. Some others that we hadn't heard of until this article in Memphis, Tennessee. A man said that officers took fifteen hundred dollars from him on a traffic stop. He was charged with nothing border patrol. Seized a sixty thousand dollar truck after finding five bullets inside. Well, okay. Wait. That doesn't mean they committed a crime just means they're hunters or their target practice, and they some bullets fell out of their cases. I, I don't know, but it's not a crime. A mechanic. Chicago got his truck seized because his customers had drugs. He wasn't suspected that didn't think he'd done anything wrong, but they took his truck anyway. A restaurant tour was pulled over for speeding in the money that he was carrying was raised by his family to buy a restaurant. And they took it seventy five thousand dollars in cash that his family had worked so hard for and gave him and he was going to buy a restaurant. Sorry, it's now it now belongs to the state. A man was pulled over for tinted windows and they seized eighteen thousand dollars. He was planning to use by car. Police took seventeen thousand five hundred fifty dollars during a traffic stop from a small barbecue restaurant or. So the institute for Justice is now giving us a little bit of a breakdown about the amount of assets every state has collected most state and federal civil forfeiture laws, lack even basic transparency requirements, leaving the public completely in the dark about most of their seizures. Regardless the total amounts collected by each state are amazing in Massachusetts in the last well from two thousand two thousand fourteen they seized one hundred thirty eight million eight hundred twenty four thousand dollars in Michigan from two thousand one to two thousand thirteen two hundred forty four million in Arizona twenty from two thousand two thousand fourteen four hundred. Eleven million in Texas from two thousand one to two thousand thirteen five hundred forty million. Six hundred eighty nine thousand dollars. The Cato Institute survey two thousand Americans about civil asset forfeiture eighty. Four percent of them said they oppose the police seizing someone's money or property before they're convicted. Why? Because they're Americans and they think this is America. They're still under the mistaken impression that somehow we have rights in this country. So cute of them to believe that. Doral that is you guys are cute as precious. Criminal? Yeah, you shouldn't be deprived of life liberty or property without due process of law. I don't know that sounds like something that is contained somewhere. I'm not. Not. Something about a five and ammendment ammendment or something five amendment. I'm not familiar talking about. The government Sedley. By the way this article your relaying the things have been happening with civil forfeiture. If you hear someone say, no, these only have criminals. You don't have it a bad guys. You know let the new work that out if you didn't. Of course, you knew that had unleashed on the Twitter sphere. Check that out and share that with friends doing so many different things at the same time. You just it's like a whirlwind in here. If people don't even see, it looks like I'm just sitting here talking, but no, so much more going. You're not the puss what's happening you get so many things going on. You just do it with my mind to my mind is still powerful and being an octopus human hybrid. Like Alex Jones might say, you have eight brains, so you're able to do multiple things time. It's really fascinating to watch. It's a little creepy as well. I'm not gonna lie. All right. Well, you're gonna have to deal with it all, but I can't believe that the bashing of commonsense for the story is Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Isn't that amazing. That's amazing. Again, twenty eight team. It makes no sense this, the world just doesn't in Texas. We are one of the worst offenders. This state is one of the worst offenders of civil forfeiture, and they blame it all on the fact that well, do you want the drug cartels to have free reign. No, but neither do I want you to forego the US constitution in your effort. We have done so many oppressive things in the name of the war on drugs. We had a statistic few years ago about about the Patriot Act and how many times it had been used and how many times it had been used to fight terrorism as opposed to drug trafficking, and it was almost exclusively used in the war on drugs. There was it was nine ninety eight percent of the time. It had been invoked in the war on drugs. Well, that's it's not. So you're saying you want the terrorists to win. That's what I'm hearing. Yeah, that's what America too, you know act was right. It's Minta stop terrorists. That's right. I know. And you know what getting felt up at the airport is meant to stop terrorist to, and gosh, have they done a good job of that? I don't know. Do they do a good job with that fat? I mean, because you've had firsthand experience multiple hands experience, and I'm just wondering, is it is many women's. They found on me so far. I mean altogether in all my trips to the airport and all the times I've been felt up. How many things have they found that were, you know, potential hazards on the plane itself. So not answering this question, carry the one. Does it bring down none, none zero. Zero weapons, weapons. Pat gray. Not a single weapon than not a single time guns. They've never. They've never found any explosive powder on my hands and they've never found anything near my gym blitz except what should be. There grew there. Surely. Problematic if they found absolutely nothing. I'm so glad you finally audience. Yeah, Tripoli nine hundred thirty three ninety three more pack released coming up. Pillow. Aunt gray is here on the blaze radio network. Thanks for being with us triple eight, nine hundred thirty three ninety three Dannatt paddock on Twitter from right wing ninja one citizens. Congress equals crime. Congress lies to citizens equals politics. From Dr rocky MC rock face. I refused to listen to Beto without the necessary Beto guitar riff that should be campaigns on, oh, you're talking. Could use it. We don't want him to win, so maybe shouldn't maybe. It's just too good. He played on those. Musical bet, though. Events? Yes, Musica con. There you go. It's another little event to trick Texans into believing. He's Hispanic when he's Irish. Don't like this guy, but just with all the intensity of billion white-hot burning sons. That's all. That's all. Yeah. So that seems like a lot does, but it's not that many really. When you think about when you think about how many white hot burning sons there really are? Yeah, it's not that many. Well, let's put it into perspective. You said a billion burning sons. I mean, it's not how many sons are there? Not twenty trillion. Right. Hot burning. Sounds like our right so it could be much worse. Like with our with our unemployment rate was ten percent or almost eleven percent. And Obama said. Is fourteen or fifteen percent, at least it's not ninety eight percent, right. No, that's true. It's a good point. Good point Mr. because we should be grateful. Right. Thank you for also for leaving. Is this Renault gun? Yeah. Yeah. In Canada, if you haven't already, I think you should all do something nice for Texas Laurie d. No kidding. That's a good point. Thanks for putting us on the spot. She spent a fortune on food Friday guys, and it's good food. Maybe you all in Glen do enter blaze crush Jason could give her a signed copy of addicted to outrage. Oh my gosh, that's the least we could do. No, that's. Let's make that happen. Just awesome. We can make that happen. We can absolutely make that. I was just thinking about that on the last delivery. She spent a lot of money on us. That's, I mean, seriously. We need to do something nice for her and she, she makes food like she's a professional caterer sitting us, you know, fast food. I don't think I knew that if I knew it, I forgot it. I'm just going to. I'm going to the Antionette just kind of plan ahead. Send us something in the mail. Something homemade tired or this restaurant. Let's find out when national filet Mignon days or something like that. That's a good I and send it for Martian flatulence. Anyone who sees ecu's who sees this accusation against Cavanaugh is anything other than it attempts to delay the vote beyond the election is a moron. TJ top and says tweeting out. There are a lot of people who would be rolling in their graves at what Hillary said, if they didn't have their feet in case in cement at the bottom of the ocean. Yeah, but that's like one hundred forty. What is the death count on the Clinton boy Clinton? Death count is I don't know how many people, but on count that high, a lot of people and we say that ingest mostly sure. Yeah, let's go with them mostly. Sure. Sure. Millennial falcon tweets as faithful listener of Pat gray unleashed. I request that we get a little bit more of a spoiler alert before we have to endure. HRC speaking might ears hurt now because I wasn't properly prepared. That's a good point. It's worse though. It's pretty bad. I just Hillary speaking or Beto. Pretty talk. Is that worse than this and sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and with this administration, you're not patriotic and wishes sad up at say that we have a right to. Administration. Iraq. I have an answer now. I think it's Hillary lenders. Yeah, from MC fifty, five. Michael Moore is going to Canada to flee from tax evasion charges, duh. From coal dadgum socialist would be a good brand name. I think that was a term pronounced by MO Brooks, Alabama. Also DM XM assure hope. Jeffey doesn't run sure. Daddy sugar, daddy meet dot com for Cody. Cody Cody Wilson, the gun guy, what am I resisting? I don't know the collectivisation of manufacture the institutionalization, the human psyche. I'm not sure, but I do know one thing, it's a symbol of irreversibility that the gun will never be a radical from the face of the earth, and I'm gonna stay Taiwan for a while. On sexual cell churches. So what am I resisting arrest. Extradition back to America. Oh, boy. I hope he's not guilty to as be sad. All right, triple eight, nine hundred thirty. Three Ninety-three hey, we have something kind of to give you a little bit of hope just to build Limor of hope, a video that won't make your eyes bleed and it's from campus reform. Usually these really make your eyes bleed. First of all, sometimes they don't because they're so funny and so ridiculous. The things that these students will say and do. But in this particular case, campus reform went to believe they're on the Michigan state campus, and they ask students about the economy today and who gets credit for Trump or Obama. This just might spread you take a look President. Obama gave his speech this week in Illinois, talking about how it's wrong for Trump to take credit for how the economy is doing because it's still his Konomi. What are your thoughts on that comment? He's been out for long enough now that. It's not on him. More on Donald Trump. I guess he's a little bit in the wrong. I would probably Trump for this one. I think that he has done a lot for the economy that Obama didn't do such a good job on. But yeah, I guess I would Trump on that one. I feel like once the president's done, the handed off all presidents do this. They'll take credit for something that's happening down the line. I think you doing fundamentals are likely still largely Obama, but in terms of confidence and changing people's attitudes, I'd sit at mostly Trump kind of almost utilities the market, the market is going way. I just haven't kept up with that. So I, I wouldn't really really know too much of all things issues with economies. Not really one of 'em. It's more like foreign relations and just like public appeal and things like that. So I don't really. I think the economy's one of the things I think he's doing decently well. He's a bit says his strong with his tweets and stuff. I find very offensive because I'm a girl. So. A lot of them are against us or I can like, I feel like he's really helping tweets construes when you're in the roles president United States, you're supposed to bring people together, not polarize them, but overall, yeah, he does. He does definitely make some good deals. Conducting his business? I don't agree with, but overall, I think he's going to things. I think he has done a new job as far as like making new job, letting lowering unemployment rate should say Twitter, like talking about things, he shouldn't be talking about come into more like well-mannered, but I do know for fact, he's been helping a little bit and we've been doing a lot better with unemployment and everything. So. From my perspective, I think he's doing okay with that. I just feel his country, you know, like I feel like pretty well though on employment, very low GDP rates above unemployment rates, some to see that he's trying to bring stuff in house and make it healthier in long-term. How about that. What was the last time you saw any commonsense from college kids. Fix the water situation, at least in east Lansing, Michigan. It might still be bad elsewhere, but they're actually maybe getting some common sense in in the in the halls of Michigan state that that's amazing. Yeah, but the that's the most promising we've ever seen, I think. Yeah, just don't ask me about tariffs the rest of that stuff was good, but you know, it's like, yeah, these tariffs man going to get worse with China now not looking forward to that pet. No, I'm I'm not either, but that's all part of the negotiation tactic anymore about it. Yeah. Yeah. This plays out continues to be a negotiation tactic. It's we're not actually going to have higher prices on products next week, even though we already do next week, even more right stuff from China. Don't worry about it. And then again on January first, I go up another twenty five, don't worry about it. Next time you get pulled over. They're gonna take your positions anyway from when they think that you've got something nice. They're just gonna help themselves to. That's a good point. So different matter when cost for about it, a local jurisdictional have it. I still can't get over the guy in Utah that the highway patrol five hundred thousand dollars from him. And you might say, we'll wide the guy half five hundred thousand dollars in cash on him. I don't know, but it's not illegal cares. That's not the law yet. It's not relevant. The law is really why you have this for what purpose. None of your business. Gosh, it's it's none of your business. Why have five hundred thousand dollars in cash on me? Is it against the law? I if it were me and I had a bunch of money with me and police sought and took it, I. I probably wind up getting shot because I would not respond to that. Well, at all I guarantee you that and let's not forget correct me if I'm wrong here, but I've always thought that if you get pulled over an officer asked to search your vehicle, you have the right to say, no, you can't search my vehicle. Yeah, get a warrant. What is the probable cause if he has probably caused you any concert, but what is the tell me tell me what is causing you to suspect me if something and let's go from there at least while you're still some time to get a lawyer to show up there in the case of the guy in Utah. If I remember correctly, it was the police dog right thought really known drugs can we got a dog now is in charge of traffic cameras and charge of giving us tickets and red light cameras, stuff that we can go to. Court and ask to see so her accuser. So do that say, I want that camera to come in here and testify against me right now. Bring it in here. Let's do this seriously. If somebody would challenge those that you might just be able to stop it. You just might be able to challenge the constitutionality of the of the cameras goes back to us and it's it's symptomatic in DC as well. We're just farming out our duties being lazy to dog. The dog will do it the dog sniffed it out. So we're gonna do this now go to judge. Let's do this the right way. Speeding camera the ticket that the red light intersection. Oh boy, what? No have a cop there on patrol. It's so if you want it to be so much safer at these intersections, then put a patrol man, they're all right, but it's just like the legislative branch is gives up and goes, the courts do it. Everybody's so lazy. They're cameras have actually made the intersections less safe because people slam on their brakes and get hit from behind. Yep, more often. Yep. Because of the campaign, Greg Abbott are wonderful governors. He's trying to rid of those. Auspies is awesome. Mike and main you're on the blaze. Yeah. When I was in my early mid twenties had to come with a couple of buddies, spelling anti-guns and customizing guns and whatnot, Santa couple employees out California to pick up parts and few antiques, and they got pulled over and two hundred and fifty thousand taking. Oh my gosh. So the company gave him two hundred fifty thousand in cash to go out and. Purchase. Wow. You know, because it was all, you know, personal stuff. What did they say? Why didn't they say they were taking it? What did they suspect? Oh, well. Okay. They just the smell marijuana, so sure to be cool and the guys we're not smart enough to say, no, well, they come back and took it, and as. About two years ago, you're at half ago still is never been recovered. They started a company anymore, but you know, two hundred fifty thousand dollars. Amazing. Yep. And what state did that happen in California? Okay. Wow. Tease amazing. Braschi it it. Thanks, Mike. I mean, that's that's a lot of money to anybody to a private individual or a company doesn't matter a quarter of a million dollars that you just took just because and charge them with nothing. That is not American that that is not constitutional triple eight, nine hundred thirty three ninety. Three more Pat gray unleashed coming up. Pat gray unleashed ways radio network. Het gray returns on the blaze radio network. Some more good news on the civil asset forfeiture front. The Oklahoma department of public safety is purchased several devices capable of seizing funds, loaded onto prepaid debit, debit cards, so that they can aid troopers in roadside seizures of suspected drug trafficking proceeds. I can't take this. That's great. Neil. What did you bring this? The portable card? Portable card scanners are designed to be carried in law enforcement vehicles, and it allows troopers to freeze and seize money loaded onto prepaid cards and to return money to an account who's funds were seized or frozen. Yeah, but that just doesn't happen. The retarder just doesn't have toll road gets paid off on. We're gonna stop charging drive on it. Yes, it is. We made the three billion it costs to build this highway. Then we'll take the tolls right off will it was paid for thirty years ago? Yeah. Basim. Vehicle mounted scanners are also capable of retrieving and storing limited account information from other cards as well such as banking, debit cards, credit cards, and payment account information from virtually any magnetic stripe. Any magnetic strip guard. That's great. That's it makes it so convenient to take people's money from them. You're making meet angry, isn't this wonderful, love it. The card readers could reignite debate. No, nobody cares. Nobody cares. I can't believe how little people talk about this. It seems like we're the only ones talking about it. The card readers could reignite debate over civilized forfeiture in Oklahoma across the nation. State and federal laws allow law enforcement agencies to seize property and cash believed to be involved in the illicit drug trade, not proven to read that sentence. Again, believed to be involved. You can say anybody could say anything about believing you're involved. Well, based on what I'm sorry, you haven't even charged me with anything. And then they can take ownership of the SS through a civil court action or just right on the highway if they want to, which is what they're doing. I what I mean, this is this is really bad. This is judge jury and executioner right there on the side of the road. Lot forcement officials say that civilized forfeiture is essential in disrupting drug trafficking operation. Civil rights. Advocates argue that the process violates individuals property and civil liberties, and sometimes results in innocent people. Having money seized on the roadside without being arrested charged. Sometimes a lot of times how many stories have we had about this many way we could get around this from happening. If we had something like like a constitution or southern, we have laws written down that they gave you like what we do process work never worked. Give little easily. You mean like if you had, I don't know you list like initially you could maybe do. I don't know. It's an ten rights that the government can't violate people. That's a good number to start with. They expanded to, I don't know, twenty five twenty six, twenty seven in there something get to those. That's fine maybe, but can we. I'm insane. I've lost my mind. Can't take it. It's kind of amazing. Run in Utah. You're on the blaze. Hey. Yeah, I, I had a couple of guns. Took took the minutes, took a minute to sink in. Wow, you're in danger of just being hung up. Go ahead. I love BYU too. I, I had a couple of guns confiscated me back yet from me back in January. And did you really? I'm fine like crazy. Getting back. Yeah. So you're, you've got pulled over for speeding or something. I was sitting on the side of the role. And they just behind you and and searched your vehicle. Well, defense, I was falling down. Driver seat. So I was charged with the UAE, but they took the guns and and but I was never charged with anything gun related or convicted of anything gun related. So. In my mind, I should get the guns back. I would think so, yeah. Well, I mean they charged with what you should have been apparently charged with, but what what business do they have. Okay. So you didn't ever drive while you were drunk? No, I didn't know. I was. I pulled over the side. Got a little bit lost that went out to get some alcohol and got a little bit lost in a foggy night. Okay. Pulled over to the side of the road to wait. 'til bay light did do some drinking while I was in the car. Okay. Quite a lot of drinking in the core wasn't gonna drive human till, you know, I, I didn't intend to drive, you know. Good intentions don't get you anywhere where the laws concerned a lot of the parade, but yeah. Okay. So so then they found what kind of weapons did you have in the car? Well, one of them was one of those snake killers like you guys use to the little bear drill, you think of the main. Yeah. And then one of them was three thirty and one of the ultra light Taurus handguns. Do you have any Representative like a lawyer helping you out with this? Yeah, I just keep on and time. Sometimes it's hard to gauge whether it's, you know, whether whether it's too expensive to pay the lawyer let go, you know? Yep. If you have to do too much, you're gonna charge me more than the guns are worth, you know, gosh, and that's what they're counting on. Right. That's absolutely that that's. That's what they're counting on. You know, they, they, they want to get in your pocket. More than anybody else in this world government does. That is I swear that is unbelievable. For the call. Thanks. Sorry, you're having to go through that. That's I. I mean, it's again, it's un-american unconstitutional and it should not be happening. And yet even our president supports it, he he thinks they should be doing more of it. And when he heard about the, the legislator in Texas, I forget who the guy was. I don't. I don't think they said his name actually, but they said somebody was trying to draft legislation to put a stop to it like we should. We say his name and rooibos Corollas career. No, go ahead. You wanna say, it should say his name and make him a hero, a guy who's defending people's rights. Said. I still contend Trump had no idea we was talking about when I, yeah, I don't think he's thought just like any comments on things. He hasn't thought through what's president. Yeah, I know. That's stunning. Right now breaking news, everybody president. It said some things. He maybe hasn't thought through really what you're talking about this cresent president Donald Donald Trump. Yes, that guy that guy. You may have heard of. All right. We will see you tomorrow. Don't forget more on trivia in the second hour tomorrow, patriots and lions. Then. Pat gray unleashed on the blaze radio network.

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Hello, and welcome to the daily beans for Wednesday August nineteenth twenty twenty today volume five of the Senate Intelligence Committee Russia Investigation Counterintelligence report is out Roger Stone has dropped his appeal the postmaster general suspense changes until after the election but I don't believe him you shouldn't either but he has agreed to testify before the Senate this Friday a private security company is detaining migrant children and keeping them in hotels Mike Bloomberg pledges sixty million dollars to help house. Democrats US states seek two point two, trillion dollars about oxycontin maker, Purdue Pharma and Esperer says twenty two, billion dollar cut to military healthcare is in order I'm your host G. and with me today's Jordan Coburn. Hello Oh. Besides the heat and humidity. How are you? I'm doing very well considering those things in the absence of this good. Yes. Good. Oh me too. Today was a big day for us volume five came out. And That's the counterintelligence report or if you. Will Cover the highlights but if you want to know what the report says, go listen to the entire entire muller she wrote podcast from beginning to end you'll get it off should only take you about two and a half years. How long was I going? That's a thousand pages. But. I'm still poring through it but I haven't really seen anything that. We didn't cover Marco. Rubio of course, is trying to spin it and we'll. We'll talk a little bit about that, and then we have some reactions to the Democratic National Convention from last night, and of course, all the headlines from under the radar and our listeners submitted good news stories, and this week we have our happy hour meet-and-greet but it's been moved from Friday. Four Pacific to Saturday morning at eleven am Pacific Time That's eleven am Pacific time for patrons and then we open it up to the public at noon and the theme is Brunch and we will see you there. I'm excited about it And then we are going to go on vacation for a week, but you will still get content and news and maybe news, but mostly content, and there'll be shows for you to listen to. which were working on putting this together. But gave birth. Yeah. Going on. But we do have a lot of news to get to. So let's dot notes. Pot notes. All right. So lead story big big big big story volume five counterintelligence version Arab. Portion. Of. The. Senate Intel Committee. Report on their investigation into trump Russia. And some of the highlights here first of all. Let's talk about Paul Manafort. the report found that Paul? Manafort began working on influence operations for Oleg Dera Pasta and other pro Russian Ukrainian oligarchs in two thousand and four. Check. manafort hired and worked closely with Russian national constant, Kalinic whom the committee definitively calls a Russian intelligence officer that served as a liaison between him and oleg their. Pasta. And in the Miller report the they say they hint at it but they never said call him directly a Russian. Intelligence officer they do here. On numerous occasions, manafort sought to pass sensitive internal polling data and campaign strategy to Kalinic the committee was unable to determine why or what Kalinic did with that information in part due to the pair's use encrypted messaging. APPs however, we know and we reported that it was downloaded. You know. From person to person on Oleg Deripaska yacht a Nussey RIPKA got a video of it and Navarro name the opposition to. To Putin at the time had released that video. And he went to jail paid for it. Yeah, he sure did. The committee did however obtain some information suggesting may have been connected to Russia's hacking and leaking of democratic emails, and that's that whole section there detailing those findings is like really redacted and very interesting and I i. WanNa know why but the bottom line here according to axios taking a whole manafort's high level access and willingness to share information with individuals closely affiliated with Russian intelligence services. Particularly, Kalinic and Associates Derek Pasta represented a grave counter intelligence threat. The committee wrote. So one conclusion from this report is that trump's campaign chair was eight grave counter intelligence threat cool check. A next Roger Stone. The committee found that trump and senior campaign officials attempted to obtain advanced information about wikileaks released damaging emails from Roger Stone they believed had inside information. It also assessed that trump spoke with stone about wikileaks on multiple occasions despite the fact that the president said he did not recall doing. So in written answers to Special Counsel Muller, we've talked about that a zillion times that's obstruction of justice. In July twenty sixteen stone drafted tweets for trump at his request that attacked Clinton for her adversarial posture towards Russia and mentioned a new peace deal with Putin. And the committee also found significant evidence to suggest it wikileaks was knowingly collaborating with Russian. Government officials, wikileaks founder. Julian, assange has long denied that the source of the hacked e mails was Russia member. He was like Guja for trump was like four hundred pound guy in the basement. That's that whole. So, there's there's that proof. Projecting much. Okay. Yeah. And then the two thousand sixteen trump tower meeting the committee found junior expected to receive derogatory information. It would benefit the campaign from a person he knew was connected to the Russian government but that no information was ultimately transmitted to participants at the meeting Veselnitskaya and not mention had far more extensive and concerning ties to the Russian government than previously known including Russian intelligence. So when you know back in the day when we were like, they're totally connected. Russian intelligence and we were guessing. Right when they retire like back in the Russian adoption talk days and stuff. Yeah we're like Oh Veselnitskaya isn't have connections to the to the the Kremlin. Yes. Yes. She does Rob Goldstone. Yeah. Even said like she was the crown prosecutor whatever the fuck which is not the correct term but direct ties to the Kremlin and and now we've got the proof Y- anybody that's described and self-described. Wash say self described but definitely was being described consistently in the media's like a Kremlin attorney obviously is going to have ties to intelligence because that's how Russia operates. Everybody wants your what's your up in that ring? You're connected to all of the agencies because it's like pseudo authoritarian set up there where everyone that has any sort of powers all connected in on the same page and moving you know the same. Way Yet. Yeah and It was obvious to us, and now here we got here it is check. So check that up next up Michael Cohen Bunch. Of Shit, we already knew the report found that You know that second trump tower Moscow deal that Cohen reached out to the Kremlin directly to the Russian government assistance about building a trump tower in Moscow. Cohen kept trump updated on the progress while these negotiations were going on trump made positive public comments about Putin connected with his presidential campaign. And Cohen made. Contact January twenty sixteen with Dmitry Peskov reported to trump that he had done. So attempts to advance this deal stopped in the summer twenty sixteen. That's the first trump tower. So it meanwhile trump was lying to the public about it. So we we were like Yup that happened in. The Senate agrees with us then. Trump transition Russia took advantage of members of the trump transition teams relative inexperience in government opposition to Obama administration policies and trump's desire to deepen ties with Russia to pursue unofficial channels through which Russia could conduct diplomacy. the transition team repeatedly took action. That had the potential and sometimes the effect of interfering with Obama Administration diplomatic efforts including former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn's conversation with the former Russia and Russian ambassador. Oh. Okay. So so flynn light okay. Got It and there was material here it is okay. Cool. Right and they say that they were they were you know exploiting their ignorance basically just as people that had like. No experience in government even if they did have experienced in government, those people wouldn't give shits if they were going through back channels. That's not that that them having no experience only served to give them a like plausible excuse for not having you know in quotes known the law you know when it comes to Dj and Shit like that. It's like they don't fucking care either way. It's just so yeah. Yeah, and this and this blows Sydney Pal in Michael Flynn's mandate argument out of the water completely by by them saying this lie to the FBI wasn't material. This proves that it was. And then together, all like all five volumes of the report represent three years of investigative activity hundreds of witness interviews, engagements, millions of pages of document review, and open close hearings. The committee conducted follow up interviews with Cohen Kushner, Junior Podesta State Department official, Jonathan, winer that's one of the architects of the Iran nuclear deal which were necessary after the committee developed additional information since the initial review that required clarification from these witnesses. So come back in, we need to talk to you and the committee said it was limited in some aspects of its investigation by assertions of executive privilege including members of the trump transition team quote the committee was surprised by these assertions because there were made inconsistently and because they have no basis in law. No. Marco Rubio says, we can say without any hesitation the committee found no evidence that Donald trump or his campaign colluded with the Russian government. What the? Sick of having this same argument over and over and over and over again it's so infuriating. And then. Mark Warner the You know the. co-chair, the did the Democratic Chair says nearly thousand pages volume five stanzas the most comprehensive examination of ties between Russia and the trump campaign to date a breathtaking level of contacts between trump officials and Russian government operatives. That is a very real counter intelligence threat to our elections. This can happen again. So we have two different spins and obviously bar. At the Justice, Department investigated Burr the former chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee Republican share. WHO'D May. have. A different view on this he didn't sign off on this report he had to step down because he was being investigated there were several other senators. Who had also made similar odd stockdale's right before a covert hit or as they new covid was gonna hit member with that secret briefing but none of them. None of those investigations continued burr and Burr had to step down and I these are just beans. But Hey, if my entire you know a podcast and your entire everything, we ever talked about Jordan if all that was just beings beings come true and my beans. Are. that. What happened here is that they got burned out of their put Rubio in told Rubio to spin it and say, no collusion look no collusion and and that's the reason they actually put this two page addendum on at the end of the thousand page report where they disputed the findings, Rubio disputed the findings. and. So I think that's why this didn't come out. On time it was supposed to come out before the Senate was took their recess. So that's what I think happened. They shoved him in there got borough output in. Rubio, made them right this two page addendum I don't know what they've got on him. And said, you know added sticking on their spin it put out a video and we'll try to put wink the public like we did with the Miller report you know the restaurant chain Rubio's I'm not kidding I used to frequent that place so much and now I, can't anymore I literally can't even though it's entirely unrelated even just the thought of supporting something. With the name Rubio, I cannot stomach it literally. Poor reviews. I lucky. Lucky for them known is as insane as I am but Yeah Marco Rubio's affected worst he's always I. Can't. I. Always think of Cameron Caskey to when I think of him in that town hall. Any just like. That exchange that they had if I'm remembering correctly on on gun violence that CNN put on your remember that yeah he used to such a horrible job at like navigating answering any of those questions in the wake of just like set of trashy that just fucking sex get him the fuck. Out Yes agreed yes. Agreed Great Recap of all of that. That was a lot. Thank you and there's and there's a lot more. I mean there's a thousand pages of this but you know if everyone's like, please explain it to us. We did for the last two and a half years on that other podcast that we've finished. It's all in there. In fact, our podcast even goes Z.. Steps beyond in some cases where where this report might say, Oh, and they had like individual four and like individual forests Clovis or sin or you know like I, know who the unnamed or you know. People are I can probably take guesses at what's behind the reductions all that's in the Miller she wrote God cast but. It is a day of Day of vindication for those of us who have been listening and following along since the beginning Especially when the entire Republican Party all the trump supporters are trying to gaslight us saying that we were insane. We're not. We were right. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I have a question that I'm sure you've answered at some point over the last three years. But. Now that we are, you know in two, thousand, twenty and Russian interferes is one hundred percent continuing to happen when we're talking about reductions and we know that things get redacted sometimes due to an ongoing investigation. Is it possible in general This is just more general question. If. You. Can it be considered an ongoing investigation of literally doesn't stop because the crime doesn't stop. Or would or would we have to assume that these cases would have to close and then be reopened in the context of same shit? Different Day are you asking? Is that why? There's so many reductions in this report maybe not is that why it necessarily but is that something? That's even like legally do you know if that's that's a reason for keeping an investigation ongoing maybe like in general I was just thinking that. As a as a legal question in general like when it comes to this is. A Senate counterintelligence investigation and not a criminal investigation. and. So No, you wouldn't have to not. End One start another one too to keep it going I. Mean I I I'm assuming the counterintelligence investigation into Russian interference is always ongoing. But I mean there are several reasons that you would. redact certain things right. And for example, like all these people who lied to Congress that we learn about in this report and that we knew about already those made been made as criminal referrals to different US attorneys offices, and then they have to redact that because that's harm to an ongoing investigation. Sure but. I mean as far as. Election or Fahrenheit. Crossfire Hurricane is probably twenty sixteen election interference and twenty twenty election interference probably has a different codename right. Got It. Yeah I guess. They the the Senate's when when they redact things. There's so many so many different reasons that they get to just like ominously half her redacting things Yeah and what I'm guessing in in in these particular cases are either sources methods. For example, like how they collected the information on Kalinic, they don't WanNa tell anybody that because they don't want Russia to know how we knew and then there's probably like I said, they probably made a lot of criminal referrals out of this investigation which are probably sitting somewhere going nowhere. about people who lied to the Committee Like we talked about when we got that information about Bannon and junior and Clovis and everyone the letters from Senate making criminal referrals to the Department of Justice that they lied those came from this investigation right and so you know those would be redacted somewhere redacted in the Miller report their redacted. They would be redacted anywhere that that information came up because those aren't resolved cases. Basically I'm wondering is, are we gonNA have to go through and wait for so much fucking lager for? Them to just like investigate this the exact same behavior but just in a different context or can they just keep the floodgates open and like just keep keep it keep it moving the investigations that are still going the criminal ones are the counterintelligence ones both I don't know I don't know enough about the rules to know what difference either would make. Yeah. No me neither but I mean counterintelligence stuff. No, there's never a crime, right? It's just a determination if there's a threat to national security. And so we've got that here. Yes, metaphor it was a threat to national security that the Democrats believe trump was a threat to national security based on all these contacts. But as far as I mean criminal referrals and stuff like that It's going to be these specific crimes. It's going to be what Roger Stone did in two, thousand, sixteen it's going to be what? Donald trump junior told Congress. And so if Donald trump junior lies to them again, you basically supersede the indictment open a new investigation or the investigation is still open but you know but shut know or you know if you close it and then open another one because well, we're not looking at two thousand sixteen we're looking at a Sherwani now. That that's kind of how I I assume that would. Go, but it makes sense and that's exactly what I was enquiring about. Thank you. Yeah. Word we gotta take a quick break. Says all this shit yeah. Treason word. Route We're GONNA take a quick break, and then we're GONNA come back with some headlines from under the radar. So stick stick with us. would be bad. Hey, everybody it's G in today's episode of daily beans is brought to you by Sun. Basket with so many of us practicing social distancing and trying to eat healthy while being at home I have found the perfect service sun basket. 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Tuesday after facing just like tons and tons and tons of mounting pressure by literally everybody whoever has hurt his name or anything he's ever done He's he's caved kind of saying that he's going to suspend the changes initiatives to the post office that were just like clearly a blatant. Whether or not you want to say that you believe trump was directing him to do this or not. It was just absolutely going to affect the effectiveness of USPS and their ability to. Conduct the mail in process for this election. So he said he's going to. He's just given his word at this point that they're going to roll back doing the things that they were doing. We were seeing things like post office boxes being. Taken a locked up mail sorting machines gone things being reduced just all of these cuts into rollbacks that. It? Completely the wrong timing for those things to happen he's been trying to hide behind this reason that it's just because the it was necessary change for the US ps to continue because of their budget issues but he's getting called on that relentlessly he set to testify before Senate Committee on. Friday And the House Oversight Committee next week and he is just GonNa get grilled his asking again So grilled and I'm looking forward to that I know I can't wait until Katie porter like breaks out the whiteboard and pulls out her fucking markers and does her thing I love Katie Puerto. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah and he said that he's doing he's doing the. Rollback to avoid this equipped to avoid even the appearance of any impact on election mail and quote, which is a good call if he is saying that with any amount of earnestness because it has a horrible appearance as I've stated as the whole country has been stating, he's also being sued by a fuck ton of states twenty one right now to be exact. There's so so many cases being being brought against him. There's one filed on. Tuesday. In Federal Court in Washington, that's arguing the postal service broke the law by making operational changes without first getting approval from the Postal Regulatory Commission. They're also arguing changes are going to impede stability to run free and fair elections, and officials. This is coming from officials from several state attorneys, General General's offices they're reporting to the Washington Post. So Constitution gives states and Congress not the executive branch power to regulate election. So that's the lens data some of these lawsuits are going to be happening through. Yeah Wow yeah. Well. He's also. Appearing would appear before the Senate on Friday they added that, and then he'll be talking to the house on Monday and. If I if I were them, I wouldn't just because like you said he's come out and announced I won't make any changes all stop what I've done. He's already kind of too late like you already fucked it up. Are Males already slow and like I don't trust him to do what he says he's going to do no. No, and I think that's what people are going to keep pushing fours for for some some sort of people are requesting from from the courts something that would mandate that he not be able to do that because right now it is just word. Yeah, and they're also I think I know the domes are working on some legislation to put a clean bill of funding for the USPS through and they're putting rules attached to that money because like we talked about yesterday, you don't WanNa give twenty five billion dollars to a guy who's going to light it on fire and Piss on the ashes. So. You know you put like regulations like you have to spend it on this put the put the sorting machines back stopped being a prick You know you have to guarantee us that all the ballots will be counted in handled properly it's shit like that. Hopefully. It'll pass hopefully it'll pass. Yeah. Definitely I mean it's one of those things that should have bipartisan support to but of course, it won't. It OUGHTA. Here's a couple of things I. Just wanted to play really quick from the convention last night. One of my favorite parts Michelle Obama was. Incredible and Bernie Sanders. Give a great speech, full throated backing of Joe Biden. But there was this woman named. Kristen, or Kiza. and. She's the one. Let's listen to a couple of clips really quick. I'm Chris Dinner Keesa. I'm one of the many who has lost a loved one to cove Ed. My Dad Mark Anthony or Keesa should be here today. But he isn't. He had faith in Donald Trump. He voted for him listen to him believed him and his mouthpieces when they said that corona virus was under control and going to disappear. That it was okay to end social distancing rules before it was safe. And if you had no underlying health conditions, you'd probably be fine. My Dad was a healthy sixty, five year old his only pre existing condition was trusting Donald Trump, and for that he paid with his life. The coronavirus has made it clear that there are two Americas. The America that Donald Trump lives in and the America that my father died in. An. Me Away. Trump obviously our thoughts. Father. SORTA faded so much worse just went after trump complete. Management of. Data driven rifts so great. So powerful friends claiming, yeah. It was really hard core always watching that like damn. We need cheaters. fucking. Day on in. Line now, rightfully. So I mean her her dad's dead because he trusted him. And it's like. It's so sad there's there's so many stories like that. Too I've read stories of. There is one guy who went to covid nineteen party that somebody was having. And he got sick and died and on his deathbed, he told one of the hospital workers just like. Fuck. This thing is for real. It's like. Yeah this is so sad. So tragic that people. It's like. I don't understand how messaging has been allowed to come out. That would lead people to believing you know this is this is some game that. That people will I do know how because the president of the United States is coming out and saying that and having a having her come on their in have such a strong. unapologetic. You know just like giving zero fucks I think was a super smart move by the DNC and sometimes I was sitting there listening her like. I try to think of things how other people that may not have the same views me would would receive something and I was trying to make the assessment of like you know doesn't come off as a bit maybe taking advantage of her situation on the part or something or or like dramatic in any way to someone that might not like I said to have the same kind of understanding and feeling as I do and I just kept answering. No absolutely not because all of this everything that she saying is one hundred percents. True and checking out it's not dramatic at all. It's a horrible situation that so many Americans are in it. It's like it's not dramatic at all. It's what's actually happening. Yeah Yeah. And it was a very powerful message I also thought bringing in a bunch of former trump voters was very powerful I. I don't subscribe to any who's mad that there's a bunch of former Republicans and current Republicans that are going to be speaking Colin. Powell's GONNA speak. Tonight. Meghan McCain McCain Cindy McCain is gonNA endorse Joe Biden. That's John. McCain's late John. McCain's wife. She's GonNa give a speech about how great friends they were and but seriously the end of the night speech. I do also want to say, I love this format. This particular convention has had twenty eight, million I think was how many tuned into it and all these record for. People watching a convention at the for the Democrats were it was ten point six million. If I if I get those numbers wrong, you can send me a correction but Michelle Obama fuck and threw it down I. I was really touched by her clarification about the old Obama family motto when they go low we go. Hi. Because we tend to, you know when we say that Matthew fucking whitaker is big Dick Toilet wine or you know. High. But she. But she put this clarification out there and she reminded us that going high includes standing fierce against hate. And that sort of made me feel a lot better about. The way we handle things around here. At the daily begins and muller she wrote because. That's kind of that's what we're doing. So it was like A. Punch Nazis. That's still the high road buck. Yeah. Thank you Michelle but I also really liked. Project Lincoln tweeted out we go low. So you don't have to and that I thought cracked me I thought that was really funny. But I wanted to listen to this Michelle Obama she fucking. Let's just not tweet but this Klis. Listened to. Michelle Obama. So, let me be as honest and clear as I possibly can. Donald Trump is the wrong president for our country. He has had more than enough time to prove that he can do the job, but he is clearly in over his head. He cannot meet this moment. He's simply cannot be who we need him to be for us. It is what it is. Now, understand that my message won't be heard by some people. We live in a nation. That is deeply divided and I am a black woman speaking at the Democratic convention. But enough of you know me by now. You know that I tell you exactly what I'm feeling. You know I hate politics. But you also know that I care about this nation. You know how much I care about all of our children. So. If you take one thing from my words tonight, it is this. If you think things cannot possibly get worse trust me they can, and they will if we don't make a change in this election. If we have any hope of ending this chaos we have got to vote for Joe, Biden, like our lives depend on it. So yeah. She just threw. It is what it is right back into trump's face and she she had this look on her face when she did it in this gleaming awry when she said it and it was the he is absolutely the wrong person for this for us at it is what it is and I I wish dislike I stood up and Yelled it was so I thought that was great. But we'll keep watching the DNC and reporting back and playing clips for you but I really love this format I know it's we're doing it because of a massive global crisis in part and Major part caused by the president were trying to get out of office but I really do like this format I? Think it's wonderful. And this is news to member member when we got Mike Bloomberg money offered to us when he was running for president and he wanted to run ads first presidency and we turned down like a boatload of cash and we're like not can't do it. Well, and then everyone's been wondering where his money is. Well, he has now said he plans to spend sixty million to which is nothing to him couch chains to strengthen the Democratic House majority in November roughly matching the money invested in flipping control of the house in two thousand eighteen, and this is according to a Bloomberg adviser familiar with the plans This is digital television digital and television ads to defend some of the twenty freshmen Democrats. He helped win in two thousand eighteen along with spending aimed at defeating additional Republican comments, and the new money goes to several groups. Including Revival of Bloomberg's old political vehicle, independence USA and donations to the House majority PAC, which is a group associated with house speaker. Pelosi. And So that's he's he's now he's going to give money over to the House I wish he would give them more to the Senate we really need to flip the Senate but we do need to retain the house as well. So yeah, Anyway Nancy's what's what's going on with with Bloomberg these days. So yeah, good to see him resurfacing in that headline not something like Bloomberg buses way into the race after lobbying lawmakers to change the rule so he can do so shitting on everyone's life. That could have. We could. We could seen something like that. Just kidding probably not. But who knows the bounds of money are unfortunately limitless in this country but yes. Up to Bloomberg for using his money in a objectively good way for sure that is that is read I wish more billionaires and millionaires with that that be awesome. Alright my turn. Yeah. Go for it. Perfect. I got a couple of quick stories here Okay. So this is a shady story trump administration. They have been using major hotel chains to detain children and families that are taken into custody at the border, and this is being done impart as you know so they have this in March they enacted this border policy where they were just GonNa? Stop Processing. People that were crossing the border including asylum seekers under the you guys in reason that they didn't want to press them into a detention center because I would increase the likelihood that they would transmit covid nineteen and they would be putting the contact with other migrants in workers at those facilities and so you know the plan was they were just going to send them back to their home countries Right away basically, and they said that you know they they their idea was at that was going to deter people from trying to cross over because the punitive actions were you know pretty much in a sense lifted relatively and less they came over and they found that they had a criminal history. But what they actually wound up doing was because of those lack of of punitive measures relatively again, the whole thing is you're stuck in horrible, but it's actually just resulted in more people coming. Over right now, that's what's being reported by New York Times, and so one of the things that they're doing, they're detaining children and families that are taken into custody at the border at these private hotel chains in what it's doing is making it. So it's impossible to make sure that those spaces are being regulated and it's creating what New York Times called a shadow system of detention and swift expulsions without the safeguards that are intended to protect the most vulnerable migrants. That's a direct quote so. This is. being facilitated by some private parties and it it's just there's more than one hundred thousand migrants including children and families that have been summarily expelled. From the country and it's it's something that's just really scary because you know the regulation in those facilities previously were already a massive problem in terms of safety and whether or not people were being taken care of in afforded any sort of human rights whatsoever. So this is a system now that is allowing. People to really go into the dark and the accountability is not there and it's just it's just frightening. Granted, the conditions of hotels are you know maybe objectively a little bit better in some ways than the cement cold walls that that they're detained in otherwise but with that also comes that lack of regulation lack of access to phone calls resources. There's like hardly any hope at this point of tracking children it that that element is even worse. So this is something that you might hear people try to spin and say is like a better alternative but I I really think. That is not the case none of what none of how they're handling. This is a better alternative no. Yeah. No family separations policies. From top to bottom fucked up and like you said and and like we talked about before, if any of these private contractors do anything untoward or illegal, it's way harder to hold them to account. Because they're not government. Yeah and my final quick headline us states have claimed their owed two point two trillion dollars to address the damage that has been caused by oxycontin maker Purdue Pharma LP's role in the US opioid epidemic accusing them of pushing prescription pain relievers onto doctors and patients alike, and minimizing the risk that that presented for abuse and overdose. So this is Produce. You know they've claimed bankruptcy in the wake of all these lawsuits and it's Just. It's just. They suck and I hope that they have to pay a lot CA. They've made Americans pay. So. Many pharmaceutical companies have already had to pay these settlements in. So we'll keep you posted on that one for sure two point two, trillion with a t It's quite a bit. final. Headline from under the radar and this is my wheelhouse. Aspirin you know the. Secretary of Defense, he wants to cut twenty two billion from military healthcare Pentagon officials working on Defense Secretary Mark Cost Cutting Review have proposed slashing military healthcare by two point two, billion, not twenty, two, billion skis me two point two, billion This is a reduction that comes. On the heels of a lot of people trying to privatize the military health system and some defense officials say it could effectively gut the Pentagon's health care system a pandemic. The proposed cut to the military health system over the next five years as part of a sweeping effort initiated last year to eliminate inefficiencies within the Pentagon coffers. But to senior defense officials, say the effort has been rushed and driven by an arbitrary cost savings goal. meaning that's not why they're doing it and they argue the cuts to the system will imperil the healthcare of millions of military personnel and their families. As we grapple with cove nineteen aspirin, his deputies have argued that America's private health system can pick up the slack imagine that they want the private health system to pick up the slack now. Roughly nine point, five, million active duty personnel, military retirees, and their dependents rely on the military health system, which is the military's sprawling government run healthcare framework that operates hundreds of facilities around the world. The military health system also provides care through tricare and try care enables military personnel and their families to obtain civilian healthcare outside of military networks. It also allows. Active duty service members, and their families to obtain care at Veterans Administration veteran's affairs hospitals the Va.. As part of the network provider to and it used to be the rule was you, you would send them to the va I because it's cheaper and the care is better than going to a private doctor. This is what my job was at the Va. I was embedded with the tricare regional office in the west region. There was only two of me in the country east region and west region I helped oversee the tricare contracts and help do the network stuff for the VA I was I worked for the va but I was embedded with trumpcare and dod. And that's because the VA is a network provider and should. Should beware tricare beneficiaries go before they see healthcare in the private sector and the reason is like I said. When veterans go out to the private sector or when military families and try care beneficiaries brought to the private sector the care is not as good and that is there are multiple multiple studies, white papers that I helped put out that are on that. And it costs two three sometimes ten times as much and it's rife with fraud. From these private doctors not from military members or veterans they overcharge. The. Government. For example, there was one place charging nine thousand, six hundred dollars for breast pumps that cost thirty two dollars and we were able to find that. Now this is clear move. This is a move to privatize care and move. This is a move. Republicans have been after for years same with the va they want to privatize the VA that's why you know Donald. Extended the choice program which allows veterans to go outside into the private sector for care. He didn't. He didn't come up with that idea was an emergency measure put into place back in two thousand fourteen when the waitlisted va were. So long that the you know the Senate committee on Veterans Affairs and everybody was like we need to let them out to the private sector will do this for a couple of years until we get caught up and invest another ten billion va to make sure that we don't have these problems again. Trump extended it because he likes to privatize VA and the idea here was to keep active duty service military members going to the base, the military treatment facilities to care but kick their families off and send them to private sector. Private doctors again at great taxpayer cost and much less quality of healthcare a move I opposed vehemently while I was at the Va.. But these proposed health cuts in the second generation of the defense wide review would degrade military hospitals as well to the point that they would no longer be able to sustain the current training pipeline for the military's medical force, and this potentially necessitates something akin to a draft of civilian medical workers into the military. Because the way that military doctors keep their chops up to go out to war and go out to the field is they do at these military treatment facilities and if they. Closed that down, there's no more training. There's no more doctors than they. WanNa go out to the private sector and hire a bunch of private doctors. Do you see where I'm going there trying to privatize this this this health system and I won't stand for it though I don't work there anymore. But? Anyway. We will be right back. I'm going to have a quick chat with Andrew Torres about Roger Stone who has just decided. He doesn't want to appeal his case anymore since his sentence has been commuted and we'll find out why there is a definitive answer. So stay with us. Hey everybody it's so many everyday tasks are more stressful and challenging these days. But seeing a doctor should not be that is why I use plush care plush provides primary and urgent healthcare through virtual appointments. Scheduling appointment is. So. Easy. Even if it's the same day I just pick a slot that works for me. Click book it online done I don't waste time on hold. Talking on the phone or sitting in crowded waiting rooms, which is not a- probably the wisest thing to do right now with covid. 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So and that, and by the way Richard Burr the chair, the Republican Chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee is the person I had flagged as you know, sort of the lookout guard atop Yodel Mountain. Yeah and boy at I was. A swing and a miss on that one Well, no, you might have been right had he not been investigated and subsequently stepped down from his position. Now we've got Marco Rubio coming out and doing the the bill bar dance like he did like Bill Barham for the mole report Marco Rubio doing for the Senate intelligence counterintelligence report. So I want to emphasize the attack on Marco Rubio joined the two thousand sixteen Republican presidential primaries was vis is a lazy underachiever whose bad at his job and does not show up to vote in the Senate and I want to point out. That pattern continues right like I do not know why Marco Rubio is a United States senator. He doesn't appear to enjoy the job he doesn't show his his. His non show break. is N Times the national average I mean you just he just doesn't care and I do not understand if you were a Florida voter house, you can vote for him but. Yeah. I don't get it either. But that's a side. Note side note. Yes. Trump is a counterintelligence problem Manafort was counterintelligence threat side note to that Roger Stone who came up several times today. He's dropped his appeal as unexpectedly dropped the appeal of his seven federal felony convictions. This is less than an hour before the midnight deadline that they were going to be. You know they had to file their first brief laying out there grounds for challenging stones, convictions and seeking a new trial. So he but right before the deadline, he had to turn in his reasons he turned in that he. Is, dropping, his appeal at did he did he not want to spend the money or did he think that may be trump's pardon promised that everyone talked about last night was for So. Here's it'd be okay answer to that. I don't know how to put myself inside the head of anyone in trump world, right? That's that's not a place I enjoy living I I can't figure it out. This was a foregone conclusion that today was going to happen. And here's walk. What Donald Trump did was commute the sentence of Roger We talked about this that leaves the conviction intact Eh, but he just says you've served enough time right and a commutation can range from what happened here, which was not only wiping away the entire sentence before Roger. Stone had had set foot in prison. But also you know expunging the twenty thousand dollar fine imposed on it IM- expunging seven hundred dollars special assessment rank. So you know if you have. Your three listeners, my three listeners who have friends who are struggling trump world like you know all right. You WanNa make the argument well, Roger Stone's two hundred years old and he learned his lesson like, did you really have to also wipe out the twenty thousand, seven, hundred dollars in fines that he could have easily paid that that seems something but but look like a commutation can't be can range from partial right could have condition did this This was in its entirety but like for example, one of the things that Barack Obama did that no president has done before or since was commute over a thousand sentences of non violent drug offenders rotting away in federal prison, right and typically what happened there was the the sentences were commuted down from mandatory minimums of years, juniors to a couple of months with supervised probation right like I. It's really sort of sensible. So All of that happened and and and stone inexplicably claimed that he was still going to repeal because you know he was innocent Here's the reason that's unbelievably fucking stupid right because if he won on appeal the the remedy you get when you win at the appellate court level is your prior your trial is thrown out and they order a new one. So. That and the commutation doesn't affect that at all right. That's not a prospective get out of jail free card right that says on. Sentence. A right. You've now served the entirety of all the government thinks you have to serve on sentence if the conviction that resulted in sentence. is thrown out. You get a whole new trial and at the end of that whole new trial if you're found guilty again which Duh of course you would be. Then you get a whole new sentence and guess when that trial is likely to happen hint, it's at a time in which donald trump is unlikely to be the president of the United. States assuming all you people do what you're supposed to do this this November. So yet. So that never made any sense it was all just right wing talking points of I'm so innocent ongoing. And no-one no-one who's not lying would have set right like if you were honest what you said was you know. We appreciate the combination we think the sentence was wrongfully imposed but Roger Stone's happy to have this. You know chapter in his life but behind him and now he can get back to you know being evil fulltime I I don't know like whatever his his press secretary in his his PR flex but but this was always coming they waited to the very. Last possible moment they tried to bury it That was not going to happen, but there was just there was no option you the the winning move was congratulations you get a brand new set. Yeah. All right. So he dropped his appeal because he doesn't fuck won a new trial right because he yeah. Okay. Now this now this is starting to make sense. Why didn't he just drop it before? When he got his commutation because maybe he was trying to like puff his chest out and say I'm going forward because I'm innocent. That's that's the only reason to do that is because you spend. So much of your life in crazy conspiracy theory land, and by the way like you know different different people in Trump's orbit right? I am convinced sort of trying to piece together like some of them are in fact, you know true believers in conspiracy theories so dumb like, Oh there's a child sex ring in the basement of pizza parlor that doesn't have a basement right like it. Some people truly believe that I do not think Roger Stone is one of those people I I know people in Roger Stone's orbit and and if any of you have any doubts i. Want you to watch the Larry Klayman taking a deposition of Roger. Stone. which is in connection with various civil lawsuits that claim it has filed against stone that that are just hysterical it. There is it is the best right. Hollywood is not releasing new movies. It is the best comedy on television that you will just go to Youtube and type in run stone, Larry, Klayman deposition, and Thank me later. But but like to get into this extended colloquy Larry Klayman, it's like well, conspiracy theories tapping sometimes right and Roger Stone's stock. There's this moment where he like looks up and he's like well, yeah. But not this insane want right like. You could just like see the gears grinding right there were like man where x nay on the telling people a like your world supposed to be on the same side here but you know they're not and it it's it's glorious intellectual I'm sorry you're. I'm sorry. This is a Wendy's got a little. distracted. there. You know. We played clips from that, and then also the one where he got really really mad do remember the deposition where he just kind of went off the deep end a quite a character it is it is one of the all-time grades. It features a clip that that made its way into the opening segment of my show where the the poor lawyer defending Roger Stone looks at Larry claiming and says, stop ask question a lawyer would. And I'm keeping that when in my back pocket for the next time, I have a particularly contentious deposition because. That is I I'm I'm sad that someone has gotten to use that line in it was. Well maybe one day. Andrew Torres. Thank you for for clarify net makes so much more sense. There's no way Roger Stone wants another trial another conviction and he'll go to jail for probably longer so. because we won't have bill bar in hopefully, like you said, if we vote numbers too big to manipulate if we all show up and do what we're supposed to do on November third. So thanks everybody check out the opening arguments, podcast I appreciate you coming on today. Absolutely thanks for having. All right everybody stick around. After this break, we have the good news block stay with us. 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It was Cohen and brody so bad it was Cohen. Anyway I forgive you got a real friendly email about that today. But whatever fuck anyway. I did it. There's your correction. Next next, we're GONNA get some good news stories. This is from Charles Pronouns who whom? Good news from one of your first livestream peeps a patron. I took a dream I took on a dream realized an adventure and hiked the pinole trail. This is a three hundred and fifty mile trail. Wow. From Alabama northeast Georgia through the. The. Talladega national forest mostly each day I started my morning and in the woods in the middle of nowhere breaking camp I would start my hike. Listening to the beans, ladies weren't awesome part of my morning routine and kept me in touch with what I refer to as the real world. Occasionally, I couldn't download you. But if I got to a mountaintop I usually had enough signal and that was the first thing I thought about I two hundred and eighty miles to Dalton Georgia with only sixty miles left. The other more professional hikers were being overcome by heat and helicoptered off the trail. Then I got sick with what I did not know discretion being the better part of Valor I quit the trail and rented a car back to New Orleans what plagued me my latest my last what plagued me lasted three days, and at the time I tested for covert and was found negative. Thankfully, it was just a summer cold I guess and there is Wow. That's incredible. Charles Fantastic job cheeses. That's crazy I'm glad we could keep you company. Yeah. Yeah. That is a very sweet thought I love when people tell us stuff like that I know where they're at and winning listen to us and it's really cool. But yeah, that's a first off read picture. Love the mustache. But yeah, that's that's big ups breaking up in a middle fucking forest. That's hard. Core every day. Sheds crazy. Yeah, that's. It Wow I'm glad you didn't have covid and good call call on knowing a hey I don't have to do this. So I'm just GonNa make the right decision chill I've done enough love that. Yeah. Yes. One of the core things that I learned in Yoga was hey, if you're in an uncomfortable position, you can decide to get out of it. Yeah, and that's totally fine and that works in life and in Yoga positions absolutely I live good job. Yeah Thank you. Charles mixed up from Seneca opponents he my friends sweet cat his nothing but love on her brother since he was adopted yesterday and it's just the sweetest thing ever. A dog person but this is adorable in a world of anxiety. We can find genuine friendships and love, and as the Beatles said, that's all you need. Ours cats, cats, there's kitties there's a tabby. There's a gray kitty who's given kisses to a tabby on the face. So cute look at Pete's. Next up from from Veronica. Pronoun she her. Hello. Bean Queens. Trigger warning eating disorder thank you for for the content warning. This is my first time submitting good news that isn't political. It's going to start off shitty but I promise it gets good. We've had a dime for every time we heard that. As a very young girl in elementary school, I was a dancer and I did it all the way through my senior of high school I enjoy dancing a lot but it took a really bad turn WANNA hit middle school at such a young age is being put in the back of dance routines or not even being allowed on stage because of my body type in the dance world long and lean is the ideal type and I was the opposite. Being told I was too fat at such a young age I ended up developing Bulimia and it has hindered me into my adult years. This is something that is really common in dance settings unfortunately. But now for the good, Shit I'm twenty three and I started doing pole fitness after moving to Massachusetts a year ago and it is taken my recovery to new heights for the first time in my life I, look in a mirror at a dance studio and I love my body if feels good to be a body positive and inclusive setting where I can not. Only, dance but recover and get strong I never thought I'd get here and it feels so damn good that I just had to tell you guys about it. Let's into you. Lovely ladies over the last few years has not only kept me informed but you've all inspired me in different ways in growing into the strongest woman that I am I look up to you so much. Thank you for all you do love you longtime. River, on a cut. Thank you so much. This is Veronica I. Think it is I love. You Dude I. Think I saw you post a picture on instagram that's related to this, and it's like fucking red. Oh my God, do dances. You know you're you're a gymnast tried to be a gymnast and they were like when I ended up being five foot six and I started to have bubis when I was like nine like me gotta go. Yeah. Yeah. I was like truly I was fortunate enough to be at a club that didn't like impart that stuff on US indirectly they kind of wound up doing it, which was i. Think just generally a part of toxic dia culture in you know but it wasn't. It wasn't malignant like other places can be and it was nothing compared to what you're talking about Veronica. That's fucking horrible. That's like I'm so sorry and that is so hard to recover something from something that was embedded in you at such a young age in your beautiful. You're so beautiful and I love you. Thank you. Same I love you. Yes. next up from anonymous pronoun she her our family finally got some good news in this shit show of year my baby sister learned she was expecting her child shortly before everything shutdown she also turned thirty and we managed to socially distant celebration for that but not being able to see us regularly and hug us has been tough on her she called on. Friday, from the parking lot of her doctor she just been told to go to the hospital to be induced three weeks early due to some potential complications she sounded so scared and lost and. As a family member closest to her geographically, not being able to hop in a car and go be with her really sucked. But around seven PM Friday night, my new nephew made his appearance since he was a little early, he was small just under five and a half pounds which may deliver easier on my sister. He's adorable imperfect and we've all been fawning over him via facetime since his birth I'm also pleased that he decided to show up at a reasonable hour since my sixth grader announced he wasn't going to sleep again until his cousin, right? So I got to that showdown. I'm hoping I'll be allowed to hug him before he's walking and talking. But for now, I'm going to take this as a win Congratulations to your family. Oh, my gosh. Welcome to be an aunt unless you already were but yeah, in new aunt. or you know another another opportunity to be an aunt I like personally your sixth grader who refused to sleep again until the cousin was born, that's that's hard core shit. It's sweet. It's nice. adorable. They solidarity it is. All right let's seem from. I believe this is no we've got more. From atom pronouns he him I, fucking. Love you all. Thank you. Great intro. It's me coffee crush Adam from. SEATTLE? I've been called I've been calling. This is. A love that story I've been calling my reps, local offices and leaving long ranting visceral, and swear filled voicemails demanding they call Nancy in the Senate and get to work to save our fucking postal service. So we can save our goddamn democracy I ranted for about three minutes to each of them I'm doing it again tomorrow and then keep fucking calling as hell. But if you'll write us an informed thanks in no small part to your podcast, pretty sure my phone calls have helped. My family has a gift for creative for creative expletive run on sentences and I thought I would share one with you. To leave in your senators voicemail. Hello my name is blank and I'm a constituent from blank and I'm calling to give you advice and make a promise. The advice is you get to work and save our democracy and the promise is that every fucking morning I'm GonNa Stub my toe, spill my coffee and burn my toast and when I'm good man I'm going to call you up and let you know just how fucking mad I am about every God damn thing. That shit stuff Turkey carcass you failed to impeach his rotten meat popsicle of VP and that half plucked and half boiled bullfrog McConnell have done this week and I'm gonNA call again after lunch get to fucking work. That's. How can you Barista not give you his phone number? I. Don't understand my God. What's the Turkey shit stuffed Turkey carcass. All my God. Rotten meat popsicle of a VP. Yes. Jesus you really didn't disappoint with that. You hide yourself up in delivered. That is amazing. That is so funny. Your family definitely has a gift for creative expletive run outside it's God I love that very satisfying. You also just really really did a good job with that too. You know how the words fit together as great truly musical. Yeah. It does have a good continents and rhythm Nice shakes it's Shakespearean almost you could almost like I am in Arabic pentameter that shit out and it would like. It would work. I feel it me too fantastic. This next one for you. Out from anonymous, Burnett she good news for Jordan and anyone else stinky butts. Thank you. There's a deodorant made for private parts. It's called loom I discovered this last year when I started having hot flashes, it is nontoxic in was made by a woman. No, I do not work for them but this product solve my issues with stinky, Botham heave it up. News in the laughs and then anonymous attached. She attached a picture of it. Nice packaging. Big Fan interesting. So do you like spread your cheeks and like wipe it up your crack is that how that works and you're I totally I think we can save that for after show conversation and Maybe. They have a video, but it's loom l.? U. M.. E., Hashtag loved my loom. Aluminum free. Free Doctor Developed hypoallergenic made by women for underarms and Private Parts I. Love The brand. Deville for myself on here it's. S disgusting. Whether, it's days or swept or stinky. Few have but. Problems. Jordan is your woman. Thank you I sincerely appreciate that and we'll probably try it out actually although I must say, yeah, my brother's more sweaty than it is thinking if I may just correct my ass record. Give it time? No, I don't know. Well. Well done well, done. Finally up from Gina Pronoun she her and the early stages of the pandemic, the company I work for reacted quickly and sent us home to work remotely. The good news is I've been able to get about an hour and a half more sleep every night, and I have a large amount of gas money and come in commute time save a large amount of gas money and commute time I've completely redecorated the backyard cleaned out the junk room and made it. My office slash husbands, music and workout room and started cooking a couple times a week, which is my husband. My husband is loving. We got married last September and if started our life together quarantine, which actually doesn't feel much different than everyday life, we're pretty much homebodies. Anyway the great news is that my employer is extended work from home at least until twenty, twenty one and has approve my request to work from a rental. Home on Catalina Island for the month of December Catalina is my happy place and spending such a large chunk of time. There will do wonders for my mental health also. So glad that commonly was chosen to be Biden's running mate I followed her closely since she spoke at my college graduation in two thousand seven. Awesome. Thank you ladies for making us laugh and helping us with our sanity. All wild earning congratulations Gina Catalina Gina. That yeah that's going to be framed. Lovely. congrats indeed an congrats on a be a newlyweds and Last September and Yeah. This is awesome. Thank you everyone. Yeah. We need this. Please keep sending them in keeping sending in your stories, keeping keeping, send your stories and the beard the Beauty Beers I don't know what? I'm talking about. Anyway. I. Really appreciate this stuff and I I I. Love Reading. These really makes me happy at the end of the show after all of the you know the. Fire Hose Shit show that that we have to deal with every day although today was a little more interesting things seem to. I know I've said this a million times, but things seem to be unraveling for this administration and we'll see if they can hang on and cheat. Enough. To hold power but hopefully, not and I know that everyone who's listening is doing everything they can to make sure that that doesn't happen. So thank you so much. Jordan. Do you have any finals? I do not all right. Well, thank you and I will see you tomorrow. 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It will be released as next Monday's pod. Also, a reminder that we dropped a bonus episode right before the weekend started Tommy talked with Hulan Castro about his presidential campaign on Friday right here in Los Angeles. And that entire interview is available. Now, you can also watch it at YouTube dot com slash cooking media. Wow. Smashed that subscribe button. You can you can see it to you can listen to Tommy watch Tommy radio on TV. It's great. All right. Let's get to the news during a meeting at the White House Sunday evening. Donald Trump asked for and then accepted the resignation of homeland security secretary Kirstin. Nielsen is the great Dera Lind wrote over at vox Nielsen is arguably been the most aggressive secretary in the department short history and cracking down on immigration with her legacy likely to defined by zero tolerance prosecution policy of late spring and early summer twenty eighteen that resulted in the separation of thousands of families at the US Mexico border. None of it appears to have been enough for Donald Trump so Nielsen's resignation came shortly after Trump decided to withdraw his nominee to run is because Stephen Miller and others wanted to go in a quote tougher direction replacing Nielsen on an acting basis will be Kevin Macalinsan who currently runs customs and border protection. Trump's cabinet is now operating without permanent secretaries in charge of homeland security interior and defense and enacting chief of staff and acting high into the funniest one because Trump could make. Any permanent staff today? He just doesn't do it because he wants them to feel small. That's right. There's no I was actually wondering about that. Because it's the only one where it because he doesn't need to actually get confirmation. Just do it. Are there any I wonder if there are legal implications because he also is running. He has Mulvaney running three quarters of government at any given moment. I mean, you don't have a lot of choice these days in the Trump weight has your if you're looking for staffers. There's not that many people there this tumbleweeds in the hallway Jared, I mean it really. Stephen Miller, a bunch of random people who they just found, and you know, Steve batons anti-chinese containers so lying around couple Pepe memes. So guys, what do we know about? Why Trump fired Nielsen and what he's looking for in his next homeland security secretary, the reports are that she wasn't mean enough John the woman who oversaw the family separation policy that ripped kids away from their parents and separate them for months at a time doing permanent damage to these children was not mean enough for Donald Trump. According to background quotes in everything you read, and it also seems like in recent weeks, Donald Trump has said NBC's first reported this that he wants to reinstate the family separation policy. And she resisted that now it's not really up to Donald Trump to reinstate it or to resist it the reason ended is because one he signed an executive order ending it and to the court stepped in and said, he couldn't do it. Right. So it does seem like I mean, you know, we always focus on personalities, and we can talk about Nielsen all we want. But this is more of Donald Trump is facing an intractable policy. Problem that he cannot fix in the legal problem that he kind of getting rid of her saints shut the border saying reinstate family separation. It's it's what he's frustrated with is that his cabinet secretaries aren't magical. They're not magical cruelty beasts who can like us cruelty to implement his vision. I mean, Dan treated about this over the weekend. But there is a tweet that by one Donald J Trump that captures his attitude about immigration, which is I'm doing such a good job at the border, everything at the border is really good also is a total catastrophe. It's an emergency. They're coming droves. And we need to shut the border. And so he's trapped in this place where it's a signature issue. He's been president for he'll you know, he's running for re election. This is the singer of his presidency. It's not a success, right? He's the cruelty is not rebounded to policy benefits that he was hoping would happen. And it's clear he doesn't know what to do. So he's firing people. He's yelling. He's calling for crazy things. He's trying to he likes the attention on the issue. But he's clearly angry about about. What's been happening? And I don't think he has an answer. Yeah. I mean, I think this is the I alone can fix it presidency. Yeah. The coming to fruition here. Right. Like, you Trump promise that he could fix everything he thinks he can fix everything he thinks he can just fire people and get his way all the time. And he has never realised never learned that to solve a problem as complicated as immigration, and look there is an influx of asylum-seekers at the border right now, and you know, any president whether it's an Donald Trump policies helped fuel that influx of asylum-seekers, but any president democrat or Republican would be dealing with a lot of asylum-seekers right now and have to figure out what do I do about that most presidents would learn that you have to work within the bureaucracy you have to work with congress. Maybe you need some support from the other party. Maybe you know, like lawyers telling you, what's the most lethal, you know, the Dick's that. It's complicated. It's hard and that there are reasons to not be so straightened because even if you. You have a view about how the immigration system could work. It's gonna take time to get there. They're just complications the governing. He's never shown any interest in on top of being a racist. Who's pursuing nativist nationalist revanchist policies in order to write up his base. It's also clear that he just doesn't. He doesn't understand immigration policy in fundamentally anyway, shape or form despite it being the thing that he focuses on the most like he referred to the floor as court settlement, which bars the federal government from detaining minors for more than twenty days in blamed it on judge Flora's, whoever you may be and quotes knows a a little girl with the last name floor that led to this agreement and believe in the eighties years ago. Ninety seven he doesn't seem to understand or at least he doesn't care that building a wall doesn't stop people from seeking asylum. And in fact, so like what do we do about? We're stuck in this place where he says does the same things over and over again in immigration policy, and he just gets increasing. Early craven sounding talking about doing away with asylum entirely talking about closing down the border to Mexico talking about eliminating all aid for Latin America or Central American countries. And the press covers it because it's crazy new in like completely counterproductive. But I don't know what else to do. We're stuck in this cycle. And it is alarming because it seems like even since the mid terms he he has sort of attacked the rule of law even more than he has he's as we've all have you said many times love it. He's the raptor testing the fence here. And what he's looking for is another homeland security secretary and other personnel who will help him essentially break the law because he's now he also said the other day what we need to do is get rid of the judges. It's just it's a third -tarian riffing. Like, he hasn't very deeply has no discipline. Right. There's no plan here. I mean, it is. I think part of the reason why it's important to the media does cover what he says about immigration is. It's actually one of the few places where he's followed through on some of his more outlandish promises right zero tolerance policy resulting family separation that began as this kind of frenetic off the cuff riffing, and then all of a sudden it's policy, you know, usually he's heading to step back from those the courts, including this one. I don't blame them for covering when covering him. He says all these outlandish things, but it does reinforce this notion that there is a massive like unprecedented crisis at the border, which is simply isn't true. There's a huge problem at the board. There's a there's a growing number of people coming up from Central America and seeking asylum and the the system is being stressed the point of breaking, but he's doing things to make that situation. Worse. Not better. I also think I think there is a legitimately humanitarian crisis at the board. Absolutely. Because you know, I think we've had triple the ne. Number of Silom seekers this month that we had last month and they've been metering them. So they're not hearing their cases. So they're all stuck in camps in Mexico. Well, that's it. So it's a humanitarian crisis. It is not a national security crisis. Which is how the administration is talking about it. These are not people who are criminals these people who are coming to our to our country and causing crime. These are mostly women and children and families who are seeking asylum, and what has happened is there is this huge backlog of cases, right now while they're seeking asylum about whether their asylum application will be processed. We don't have enough judges. There's a backlog of cases and Trump. This whole time is focusing on fucking building a wall, which will do nothing about this. He has some some of like he has only repaired some miles of fencing since coming office. He is built zero miles of new fencing. This is the thing. That's so strange. Right. I imagine. I mean, this is partly why he sort of raging about this is that he's trapped here because on the one hand, he does I think correctly, see, this is one of the few things he can successfully talk about with his base and on the other hand, he's not he's not a candidate the president. Right. So he has a record here. So I think a lot of this venting at Nielsen venting. At the fact that these people weren't tough enough is looking for someone to be to be able to run against basically say like this is what has prevented me from actually implemented my vision. I think it comes back to I think it's it's worth looking at what Nielsen represents. Because I think it's important that she's leaving. And it's important that we're having this conversation about religiously because she is what happens when you try to like put a layer of seriousness, a layer of adulthood, like icing on this Trump cake of sort of bigotry and chaos and frenetic she's the icing. I think she's the I think icing is the wrong word. I. I mean that she's like she is pretty horrible. Of course, he's horrible. When I'm thinking, she tried to do what Trump wanted to do while looking like traditional serious cabinet secretary. I'd see I don't agree with that. She fucking went to the press briefing room in lied like crazy. That's not serious. That's just being being a polish looking liar. She's a polish she is a bit of Trumpism presenting to do. But presenting well is a very different thing in my opinion than like acting like an adult in the room and trying to calm his worst instincts, which she never ever did. Well, that's that's what they're claiming. Right. That's what they claim. They want to spend. I mean, we've had so many conversations about personnel in this White House. Right. And and I think what we've learned is some of these people resist him for time. Most don't some people resist him sometimes and then end up giving into him anyway, really the personalities in this administration. Whether it's a Gary was the fuck was his name. Whether it was a Gary Cohn or John Kelly or accused in Nielsen or Stephen Miller, like whether there with them all the time with them sometimes now, sometimes he gets his way in the end because he's bulldozing people left and right norms. He's trying to break the law. He's doing all the shit. That's the point. She thought she could come in. And be respectable. You know, be a be a serious Republican inside the Trump administration. It turns out that's impossible. You become you become the Representative of what requires lies in order to execute. And you leave tarnished by Trump and having succeeded in in in in having failed to do anything to mitigate his worst impulses. I think we have to worry about now is Macalinsan. A reportedly has said they when they're talking about bringing back family separation that he might present families with a binary option, which is either you can be separated from your children or you can all go into detention together indefinitely and they're gone pleading policy. Illegal her the Flora's agreement which says you cannot hold kids for the twenty days. So I guess we're reaching another breaking point. We'll we're going to have to decide maybe Republicans in the Senate will have to decide if we're going to just allow the Trump administration to brazenly break a lot maybe a court will jump in rice stop them from doing this. But we saw this with the Magnitsky sanctions about Jamal Shoghi. They were required under law to present their findings to congress, and they said, Nope, not gonna do it. And no one said anything, and again, we should remember that back when Republicans control the house and the Senate Donald Trump had a chance to pass some kind of immigration policy where he got more border security, maybe even some money for his wall, you know, out of money for a lot of money for his wall. Right. You know, health recipients and dreamers, and even you know, ended family migration power five times the amount of money for what he shut the government down over for border scared. Right. It was twenty five billion was on the table shut the government down over five billion. He turned down twenty five billion. Yeah. I mean from whether you're looking at it from the right or the left, his immigration policy has been a failure abject failure. I mean, you look at what's happening right now. Right. All of this. You step back all this asylum conversation shutting down the border that judges trying to blame trying to foment in front of fucking group of American Jews of the country's full saying these island seekers faking and saying it's all about trying to ferret out the share of asylum seekers who might not deserve asylum. That is the primary focus of the Donald Trump administration at the border finding the group of Silom kinda trying to let trying to convince everyone that that small group that doesn't everyone is everyone is everyone, of course, it's everyone. But even but even just the idea that like, even if you accept that a share of the asylum-seekers don't deserve Silom is not a crisis is not a national security crisis. It's not a national security threat. It's not worthy of an endless debate over and over and over again, it's not the most important issue is you facing the country. Not the most important issue at the board. Her. But it's going to be the issue in the fucking twenty twenty election because he's gonna make it the issue every day. So as you mentioned love it. We did hear some of the president's xenophobic rage over immigration during a speech to the Republican Jewish coalition in Las Vegas on Saturday where he said that our current asylum system is a quote scam and at families and children seeking asylum should turn back because the United States is full. First of all is the Republican Jewish coalition not an odd place declare that the United States will no longer provide refuge to groups of people fleeing by its. It wouldn't be it wouldn't be. But I think it was most chilling is the fact that him saying America's full that they're faking it works in front of this audience now, and it's like come on people. Shame on you. I mean, Trump telling a group of Jewish voters that America's full two to a room that included an audience with holocaust survivors in. It is one of the most historically ignorant insulting things you could ever imagine him saying to that audience. But he did I can't imagine the holocaust survivors in that audience hearing that especially with America's history of there's there, you know, there was a time when we turn back. We holocaust survivor tire boats full of individuals who later died in concentration camps MU we drastically restricted immigration, quotas and enforcement in in made it almost impossible immigration, the United States in the thirties and forties twenty thirties. So Trump also made an appeal to Jewish Republicans in his speech by saying that the Democrats are pushing an extreme antisemitic agenda, quote, an attacking Representative Ilan Omar just a few days after federal agents arrested a Trump supporter who threatened to quote put. A bullet in her head and to show the audience would good friend. He has to American Jews Trump referred to Benjamin Netanyahu as quote, your prime minister and said, the Democrats could quote leave Israel out there all by yourselves in response, the Anti-Defamation League and the American Jewish Committee. Both criticized the president's statement for quote feeding bigotry and quote leading people to believe that Jews aren't loyal Americans. Guys. Do you think all the Republicans in DC pundits who accused Illinois Myra feeding the dual loyalty trope or a busy writing their takes about Trump today, those op-eds or getting getting printed? It's so frustrating. You know, he is done. He some of the most, you know, he's he's bought into anti semitic tropes in front of Jewish audiences again, and again, and again that is what he does he thinks it's charming. And if you listen to the way, the crowd react, sometimes the crowd signs it charming to and it's very frustrating because it's a they don't it's I think the biggest reminder of. It is at that. This is a bad faith attack on Democrats, obviously. And just remind that he can go in front of these crowds and use these tropes himself while attacking Democrats being estimated in the next breath while right wing, anti semitism is on the right? I mean, you couldn't you couldn't write down a more clear-cut example of accusing someone of dual loyalties than telling them your prime minister. But you know, in twenty fifteen he told the same group, you're not going to support me, even though you know, him the best thing that could ever happen Israel because I don't want your money. You don't want to give me money you want to control your own politician. He said that to them that is the most antisemitic thing I've ever heard, and the reason that doesn't get replayed on Fox News and Breitbart in loops mused Trump's Republican because you'll hunt Omar is an African American Muslim who wears a he job that is the reason they play her shit over and over and over and her comments, they're reasonable people who could hear those comments and think that's offensive that's unfair. I don't like that. I completely respect them for feeling that way. And certainly certainly she received near universal. Adam nation. But what Trump doesn't says worse? We're not even talking about. All the literally lists who love him barely a blip these comments, and you know, it's it's funny because it's it's, you know, Trump does it like a we're all in on the joke. Negoti? You know, you're you're rich Jews Jews you love your money. But but it's not a joke to a lot of people who are watching it. Donald Trump doesn't just engage in this kind of anti semitic rhetoric in front of Jews. He has done it before he's famously done in private. It's been reported on many times you go back. Look, it's a small thing. But when Jon Stewart made fun of Donald Trump, Donald Trump referred to him as John liebowitz over and over again why because it was his Jewish name. And he would put Stewart in question marks. And he would call him us all I don't even remember them off the top of my head. But he would all kinds of anti semitic words about Jon Stewart. It is his nature. It's what he's using to appeal to people, and it is shameful for Jewish people to smile and smirk at this kind of fucking rhetoric that America's full that you're rich Jews who just try to buyer politicians because you think that he's in on the joke. There's a lot of people who aren't it's also important to understand that these are not just bad faith attacks coming from Donald Trump. Isn't just like Trump spout. Nuff the Republican Jewish coalition and Sheldon Adelson reportedly planning a ten million dollar campaign in twenty twenty to convince Jewish Americans who traditionally vote overwhelmingly democratic to vote for Donald Trump the man who just called the prime minister of Israel their leader. And I and I and I don't think it's directed. I think it's gonna be directed at Jewish Americans. But I think it's particularly directed at older Jewish Americans. And I am sure. And if my my personal experience in my family what I hear I I think it's working. I mean, so for for certain subset of older Jews. I think it's working. Yeah. I look I don't disagree. I mean, there's ten million bucks to reach two percent of the US population. But obviously if you're trying to swing couple thousand voters in Florida or Pennsylvania, this matters a lot that said like exit polling data since like the nineties has shown that that Jewish voters. Pre overwhelming, we go to Democrats, but also J street is done a bunch of polling. Because you know, hawkish Republicans always claimed that the Jewish vote is could be swum by just talking about Israel. But in fact, when they ask Jay streets, pollster American Jews, what are your top two voting issues? They usually say the economy healthcare terrorism gun violence about ten percent or less in these polls say Israel, also eighty percent of American Jews support a two state solution. So it may be the case this is a a threshold issue for a lot of older Jewish voters where they think of the democrat is insufficiently pro Israel. They then can look the Republican party. And that's probably the argument they're trying to make but just stepping back a bit. The the the unflinching Republican support for everything Israel does has nothing to do with Jewish voters. It has everything to do with evangelical voters who the the furthest right wing of which think that Israel needs to be fully controlled to have the rapture. Come and all the later be converted to. To Christianity or they'll go to hell like they're talking to Jon hagey, and Jerry Falwell junior, and those crazy creeps far more than they're actually talking to Jewish voters. I believe. Yeah. I I still wanna find the democratic Jewish voters who are democratic in every way. But because of Trump's position on Israel are now moving over as opposed to older Jewish voters who are already sort of Trump, a fide, and then thus are more willing to listen to this. And I don't know the answer. But we know either. But I do think it's this kind of thing where it's just this. It's just that it's sewing this little bit of doubt in the minds of subset of American Jews say, hey, you know, you can't trust these Democrats. Maybe you'll stay home maybe vote for Trump. Maybe he'll just maybe it'll just become a bigger issue for you. But it's just there to kind of just stoke that little bit of fear Saint that's what that's what the stuff too. It's it just leads a little bit of a Mark. I totally one of my neighbors, holocaust survivor, and I went over to her house ones. She's incredibly old, but Fox News is on all day, everyday blaring. And she's probably seeing the story after story about you'll know. Yes, it works and also just one more thing, and we'll get to it. But it's it's also about acquainting supporting Israel with supporting right wing, American, politics and supporting right wing, Israel politics. Right. That that that's that's like the biggest that's the most important long term project that they've been speaking of that just days before the elections coming up in Israel this week, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in an interview that he'd start in X settlements in the West Bank. If he's reelected Netanyahu's who's the subject of multiple investigations is fighting for his political life. Tommy Wisey saying this and how bad is it? So just a little context. So, you know, be called early elections. You see thought it would prevent the attorney general in Israel who he handpicked who is a total right winger as well from bringing for Dighton. It's about him on or bring starting the process of indicting him on corruption charges that did not work. He's cut. How do we get that William Barr their legal system takes even longer than ours? It it's frustrating. So basically this election is on Tuesday and BB is he it's not just that the like who'd would win his party would win outright. Like, the democrat Republican party wins outright. There's like forty different parties running and they each to get a seat in the Knesset you need to reach three point two five percent because it's a proportional system. So what he's trying to do is get support from the furthest right wing political parties into get out like who'd numbers by doing these drastic last minute things in the twenty sixteen election the day before the election day or the day of you election day, he released a wildly racist. Video that said era voters were going to the polls in droves because they wanted to take him out. And that was how he inched over the line, and he is attacking get out the vote efforts among non Jews. And so this is this is very it's actually in a lot of equivalent to Donald Trump's sort of caravan stuff right before the nanny Ousman empower for for a deck. Kaid days days before the election. He announces a new right word right wing policy on the West Bank. First of all do people. Why wouldn't people see through that? But also, the only reason Netanyahu faces the threat right now is that there's been a kind of a new coalition formed in the center of Israel. But everyone kind of recognizes that Israel has moved to the right. Why like what explains what explains this power that? He has he's been a survivor for a long time. He's had personal corruption charges against him since the very beginning. He's running it's got him bennigan's in a coalition of former Israeli generals who I think, frankly, if they win we will not be close to happy with their politics either. So I mean with regard to the the need to annex West Bank settlements, basically, every member of the Likud policies already come out in support of this policy. It's just that no prime minister ever has Netanyahu has. So did you think it's a popular PA? With the Israeli people. I think it's growing more popular, and it certainly probably very popular in the Likud party, which is his, you know, the the conservative party in parties to the right? So what he's trying to do. Because of their weird system is he needs to forge coalitions with these super far right wing policies, including one that was so racist that there compared to Nazis, literally and into get out all his people because you can have you can have a scenario where a more moderate party wins more votes than the Likud party. But if they can't form a coalition to form a government than it falls back to you know, whoever else can can pull it off. So that that's what is place here. Now, I mean, the problem with this policy is most people view it as a nail in the coffin of a two state solution. Yeah. You know? I mean, these are the apartheid state if you do that there are there are there's always been assumption that in a negotiated two state solution. They're Isreaeli settlements that are right along the border that would be swapped in terms of territorial swaps. So that they would remain part of. Israel. What's happened is the settlement construction has gotten so far into the West Bank that to carve out all of those areas and bring them into Israel. You basically would make it. So you've had these islands of territory that become the West Bank. There's no, contiguous state and little dot little. Yes. That was by design. Well, yeah, I mean. Yeah. And so Israel now faces the sexist choice where they can continue to go for a two-state solution or they can essentially annexed the West Bank and have a a one state solution. But then you know, you you will then incorporate two point eight million Palestinians into Israel. And the question becomes is this democratic state do they have the right to vote, and if they don't it's no longer democratic state and presumably one of the obstacles to a prime minister annexing, the West Bank was that they'd face international rebuke, including from the Ed states, but Donald Trump onto that. That's exactly what I mean. 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She said, it was just a few high profile people in congress, and then a few presidentials and his instead chartered a course of again appealing to moderate suburbanites in some rural voters, frustrated frustrated by Trump's reality, TV style presidency. She doesn't wanna focus on impeaching Trump or on farfetched legislation that has no hope of passing divided government from Cain. She promises not to repeat the mistakes leading up to twenty ten saying, quote, you cannot let your opponents characterize mischaracterize what you're about. So it was missing from that election was a strong messaging piece, and that's what we had in this last election in two thousand eighteen what are we thinking about policy strategy here. I know particular understand that two thousand ten point right because the other thing I don't think it was a messaging problem, even if there is a messaging problem, there's a big difference between running to take power and running to keep our so especially by the way, we should just lay out the context running to keep power after you've passed a massive government program, the Affordable Care Act and the economy has not even started recovering from the worst recession since the great depression. And we're in this. We're in this twenty ten or in this this word, I constantly regret. Using this limited space between ObamaCare passing middle space between ObamaCare passing and being vilified and ObamaCare actually becoming something that's part of people's lives. Right. Like yesterday. Man. Right before twenty eighteen we stood up GO cities that healthcare dot gov. So it was a it was love it. Now, they can't get enough of it. They more. What else do we think about her her strategy? They're saying, you know, it's moderates roommates rural voters worried about them. I mean, I it seems like they're she's trying to give cover to a lot of moderate Democrats who won in two thousand eighteen in districts where impeachment might not be popular in in in districts, where some of the more progressive legislation that we've all talked about nausea might not be as popular. She's trying to take some swings in Aero's for them in advance of them having to talk about it. Yeah. I mean, one thing we have to understand is that Nancy Pelosi's job is different from any of these democratic presidential candidates. They're trying to put together a coalition national coalition that adds up to two hundred seventy electoral votes in doing. So we have often said that you need a candidate who can rally inspire the base of the party, including people who haven't felt like they wanted to vote before non voters and still appeal to sort of these middle. Of the road independent. Swing voters whatever you wanna call them. And that's what that's what we need in the presidential level on the house level. There are a lot of districts where there's not a lot of base voters. And there's not a lot of like trying to get a and that is and we have to remember and recognize Twenty-eight teen. We did not win the house because there was this sort of like liberal surge. Among the base we won the house because a lot of these districts there were a lot of Republican voters who decided to vote democrat for the first time independent voters. And that's what's on Nancy, Pelosi's might and that is a different task than what the presidential candidates have to just think, you know, we talked about before too. There are no really grand conclusions. You can draw from twenty eighteen in in the sense of saying, this is the way you need to run to win how seat right there are there cavalry district's that we won even with very liberal candidates. But still won by pulling a pulling independence and pulling on Republicans. They're more liberal districts where people like AFC could mount a campaign that not. Only helps them win the district, but kind of creates a new benchmark for how far the left can be inside the Democratic Party, and that has value. So like, you know, they're gonna be places where Democrats can run on Medicare for all can run on can run can call for impeachment can can can put a marker down for the green new deal. And then they're gonna districts where people have to run a more moderate race. That's that's the game. That's okay. That's all I mean, and we should say it's not to say that if you're in one of these purple reddish districts, you have to run some moderates interest campaign, we made this point a million times. But Katie porter won a suburban out here. That was very Republican. She's for Medicare for all protege of Elizabeth Warren still won that race. But it's not like there's a lot of Democrats who were in some of these reddish purple districts who won their seats by talking about abolishing ice. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of jockeying going on you see every day on Twitter to define who is a progressive. What progressivism is a lot of it is involved discussion about Medicare for all or a by? In plan or legislation. Pelosi put forward to to sure up ObamaCare in the interim, right? Like, that's a conversation. That's happened a lot. It was interesting talking to who Castro because he has an immigration policy that way to the left of anyone else, and that's not seen as the same sort of litmus test. So it's a question of how will he start to define his policy as the litmus test for what it means to be progressive, or we'll hit all he's like, that's how you're gonna get to let these people in this campaign. Remember to there's this balance that someone like Nancy Pelosi has to strike, right? Because on the one hand, Xi setting the agenda. Right. She's going to decide what it does mean to be progressive in a way, that's practical. Right. She is going to help set that boundary at the same time. She's also gonna share this kind of like what what does amount to kind of a form of punditry and saying here's what I believe some candidates have to do. Here's I believe other candidates to do. But the thing to remember is we have seen repeatedly is that Nancy Pelosi is not going to be the obstacle to how far left democratic politics. Go. The house version of ObamaCare was further. The left than the Senate version of ObamaCare. Anything we end up passing if we are so lucky as to take the Senate, the the bound will be determined by the debates take place inside of the Senate. Her job is just to retain the house try to build that majority. Right. Well, yeah. And it's also it's a question of you know, let's fight about what version of healthcare legislation. We pass once we actually have the power to pass it as opposed to fighting about it now because you vote for Medicare for you. Go for Bernie Sanders, spill, and you know, Representative John Pels Bill in the house right now on single payer or you could vote for Nancy Pelosi's ACL legislation that would show up the either of those votes right now, they ain't going anywhere after leave us in notably. Congressman John Paul supports Pelosi's Bill to shove ACH right now. The one exception. I think what love it was saying is that Pelosi is trying to supports efforts by the triple C to prevent people from helping out primary. Challenges to Democratic Party. So these end she is she is protecting incumbents. I guess you could argue that that prevents a party from moving to the less, but also completely understandable from her point of view to not want to spend money on primary. Kind of thing McConnell would do. We would all sort of grudgingly admire how cynical awful he is. I personally think if you want to primary someone in a safe district gopher, but the the it's it's a notable exception. That's where I disagreed with her. And in this interview, her decision to support the the D triple C's blacklist. So like, you said the triple C is basically saying we will blacklist any firm any consulting firm that works for anyone. Who's mounting a primary challenge to a sitting House Democrat. And look, I think primaries are healthy for this party. Now, I think it's interesting row Khanna who's one of the more liberal members of the house. He seems floated a compromise. And he said, well, why don't we say that if you're mounting a primary challenge to someone in a safe blue? Cheat. You know, we won't blacklist your consulting firm. You should be able to do it every want that primary challenge. But you shouldn't mount a primary challenge to someone who sitting in a reddish purple seat that could flip. And I think that's a pretty sensible compromise. We have understand that primary challenges within the Democratic Party and house challenges have happened for such a long time. Right. Like a Bronco. Bama. Ran against Bobby rush for his first congressional race. You know, that's how Beto Arocca won his seat mounted a primary challenge. Right. Like this has happened for longtime. Now don't think this is going to dissuade anyone from running. It is going to create a debate debate. We're having right now that basically says that a portion of the party's opinion isn't wanted or isn't welcome. It's also gonna mean that there's firms that are gonna then become primary like I don't even know how this shakes out, but you end up in a situation where you're literally dividing the party between people who work for incumbents and people who work for primary challengers, and there's a lot of places where there should be primary founders because he's very blue districts with members that have been there for a long time who don't represent the best interests of their district and. Are far to the right of where the democratic mainstream has become or if you think that they do represent the district, then they make that case voters, and the, and you know, and whoever wins wins. On a scale. They're trying to mount a primary challenge to Richard Neal in Massachusetts, you know, because he won't hold a hearing on Medicare for all in the ways and means committee now they're gonna hold the hearing for Medicare for all in the house Nancy Pelosi promised that he doesn't wanna do. So his committee. He's also the guy that's now going after Trump's tax returns, you could make an argument that he's pretty liberal. But if you say that he's not liberal enough run the primary challenge if he's liberal enough. He wins the seat if not he doesn't I think there might just be a practical problem here for the Dietrich. We'll see if you have a pollster who's working on ten races for you. And they're on calls with your paid media teen research team, your com seem all the time person is also working on a primary challenge against your it. Just creates some weird channel. Channel. They're probably getting ahead of an inspector general like, you know, running around the numbers, it's all fields. Like if he was like a lot of work so prevent someone from doing. Some polling running some ads. Also, kind of elevates the role that consultants play the whole thing, which is which is already way too elevated in people's minds because of all these stories, right? Like, it's actually not as big of a deal the consultants. Don't mean the fuck way, they just don't you gonna take away the lifeblood of these campaign? Well, you know, everyone everyone thinks like, you know, hire high priced consultants, and they win your campaign for you. It's just not what happens you need a good candidate good message. That's the fundamental come out there and be like member middle class. Yeah. So speaking of all this our old boss BRAC Obama was talking to young leaders in Berlin over the weekend. And he said that he worries that sometimes progressives create a circular firing squad because our allies stray from purity on the issues is he right to worry. I think he does is he on Twitter. Quitter which is which is good for him. I think he just probably here's here's the fights. He might be right. It might be totally fine. That there is a constant roiling conversation about democratic policy ideas that consumes the media narrative the way the fucking Trump show didn't twenty sixteen. I have no idea. I do think I do think look, it drives me crazy personally when I see people running down, for example, the Affordable Care Act. I think it's the height of privilege to say that Medicare expansion or twenty million people getting health insurance is not somehow significant for those individuals. Right. Like, that's you might think I'm wrong, and that's just fine. But I think it's an absurd argument. Yeah. My my view on this has always been we should absolutely have fierce policy debates over the direction of the party and everyone should be free to participate in those in those debates, but what I start worrying about is challenging each other's motivations. Nhs, right. When you pick a specific policies saying that your, you know, your corporate Schill doing this for this reason, or that reason like that's when it starts to get bad. Because that's when you know, we start we when we start telling each other that this democrat is not worthy because they're like a little bit to the right on this policy or that policy. You know, that's the problem you it's completely fine to say my candidate support this policy the other candidates this policy. I don't think it goes far enough. And so that's why I'm that's why for my great then fight that out. I think part of much nastier than that on Twitter. I think part of it is that so much of our debate around candidates, politics or ideology is about what we'll do when we get power that ends up being an argument about who's who's really gonna do what they say who can you really count on who's really progressive when the evidence the record or going on is mostly words, mostly proposals. Mostly how they how strongly. They talk about certain issues. And I think then when debates I guess it's like circling fires wads like, well, what's in the chamber? You know, what what are we firing at each other? And it's like when when a debate balls onto see this is why you can't trust this person. See this is why you shouldn't ever listen to this person. See this is why you should disavow disabuse yourself this entire wing of the party. I think that is when you have crossed the line. I'm totally fine with with elections being really contentious. I think vetting candidates is a good thing. You should dig into their record. We should do it now before that person wins, and it happens in the general election. Yeah. That should be our operating assumption. I don't care if it's nasty and contentious, I just think it's an argument that you should think about whether the way you attack someone's motives or criticize them personally might turn someone off from your candidate permanently. Yeah. That's a that's a thing that people should consider. And I'll say I saw people pointing out that, you know, Bracco Bama and Hillary Clinton ran quite a contentious against each other in two thousand eight maybe more contentious than the Bernie Hillary. In two thousand sixteen. I think there's a lot of evidence for that. But you know, what all of us on both campaigns, the Obama campaign and the Clinton campaign will look back at some of those debates and some of those attacks, and we're not super proud of all of it. You know, like that that debate where she's saying you're slum Lord res- co and Obama saying you sat on the corporate board of wal mart. Like, I don't think that was a great moment for either of them. And I don't think that was very constructive. And I don't think that helped the health either of them and helped the party at all. Well, part of the problem of those debates at the time they'd been debating for such a long time their policy differences were minimal. Yeah. It was. It was just the it was the the man the man the healthcare mandate where we're in some in some vote on Ron there was the whole Iraq war thing. But by but that by then these fights litigated so much and mostly what they'd been proposing to president align so much they were left with like so little to actually yell at each other about Iraq was the big one and then Iraq was in the past. So then it was like going forward. It was too similar to the designation which Trump today that was I was just thinking that let's talk about twenty twenty over the last few days. I think something like forty additional Democrats that's running for president, Ohio. Congressman Tim Ryan announced on Thursday. The forty five year old Ryan who's been in congress in two thousand three is perhaps best known for running unsuccessfully against Nancy Pelosi from an order leader back in two thousand sixteen he picked himself on the view as a progressive who knows how to talk to working class people get elected and working class districts, California. Congressman Eric swallow is announcing his bid on Colbert tonight Monday night, and he'll be hosting a town hall this week on gun safety with our friend Cameron Caskey one of the survivors of the shooting last year in parkland, Florida because he wants to focus his campaign on gun violence, Colorado Senator. Michael Bennett said last week that despite a recent prostate cancer diagnosis he's committed to running for president once he's healthy others. Still considering a run include former Virginia governor, Terry McAuliffe, New York City mayor Bill de Blasio, Montana governor, Steve Bullock and Stacey Abrams so outside of Stacey Abrams. I'm gonna put aside because she is fantastic and has a national profile. I've seen a lot of complaining mocking on Twitter about all of these perspective. Candidacies let's take the other side. Just for shits and giggles here. What's the argument for running? If you're one of these candidates. What are they seeing when they look at the political environment and the current field? It's telling them, I should do this. It's hard. I don't know. I honestly don't. I mean, look Eric swallow isn't easier example, it seems like he wants to run a campaign that's primarily focused on stopping gun violence. Right. That is admirable that's sort of like, the it's interesting approach. But I also think it's an open question for me. If that approach where you say, I'm the I'm the the climate change candidate. Jay Inslee did the best way to elevate that issue. I would argue that ABC did a hell of a lot more elevate the issue of climate change or the people who protested Diane Feinstein's office than Jay Inslee has so far. Now, it's early maybe that will change. But like, that's my honest, take on it. So maybe I don't know. Maybe they're going to bring something to this race that we can't see yet. And so we should by. No means rule them out. It's just when you enter this late. It's hard to fundraise. It's hard to get staff. It's hard to meet the threshold to get into debates. I'm not sure I get the strategy. I don't know if you think about running on an issue, you know, there's two reasons to run on the issue one because you wanna make the issue central to politics. Or to you want to use the issue as a launching pad for your own legitimate full-throated presidential race. I I don't know in the case of swallow or Ensley what the goal is. But in either case, you know, you look at this field right now, you see better at work who is no longer in congress who has raised millions of dollars. You see mayor judge who turned and I'm just not a criticism at all who who turned a few key moments on television, where he was thoughtful and interesting and new into enough of a base of support to get on that debate sage you look at that. And you say all right. I have one one persuasive powerful moment about the climate. I have one persuasive powerful moment about gun control in a CNN townhall. Maybe I can get the sixty five thousand donors. Maybe I get on the debates age, and I and the debates ages a chance to reach the people that you can't reach when you don't have national profile to maybe a lot of people are saying the debates ages the threshold if I make it I make a shot at it. If I don't I'm out. Exactly, right. I think I have a few thoughts on this. I mean, I think this all started with it might have started with Brock Obama winning the presidency. Right. He was a state Senator who was then a Senator for a year and then became president. It's dates it accelerated in a huge fucking way with Donald Trump winning the presidency because he was just we know we know this whole story would have to repeat it again. But. President. So they were skipping on America. So you see that? And then you think okay? Well, you know, anyone can really do this now. Right. If Donald Trump's president anyone can do this now. And then you think the way that the media has changed right where you can get all this national attention for a couple viral moments. Right. And the way that raising money in the Democratic Party has changed used to have to like Noah bunch of rich donors and sit with them in in suck up to them and get money that way. Now, you can raise a ton of money online. And so they look at all this kind of stuff, and I think you're right, especially it started with Beto in this race. But especially Buddha judge right where these people these people are congressman or build Blasios case, you know, the largest city in the country and they're saying like he is a mayor of a pretty small college town, and and has had no other elected office. And this guy has raised seven million dollars. And is now this sort of national candidate who's really has a chance in the race guy who benefits from run. Even if he doesn't become an ongoing that's the more cynical version of this, which is you run for office to get a cabinet appointment or worse, you run to get a book deal. Or if you're in Kane, you get a book deal, and you get name to the fed later. Right. Just because you run for president. And you raise your profile and out. I don't I'm not making that accusation by the Democrats. But certainly that was the case for most of the Republicans who ran for president for sure did it to make money down the road. I'm not making these accusation either. I I really hope that's not true because I do not have. I do not respect as much. I will just say people who are running who thinking I'm not going to win. But I'm just running because I want to raise my profile like, and I don't and look I think like Pete Buddha judge is not running because he wants to raise the profile. I think he really wants to do this. You know? But I think if you're if you're running for president, if you do this, you really have to think that there is a path for you. And that you want to run, and maybe all these people do, and I think the reason they do is for all these reasons they like all I need is a couple big moments. You know, where I take off? And then if I can just get to that debate stage and show people, you know, what I am what my message is what my story is then they're looking at the field too, by the way, and they're saying we have two front runners Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders one in the race one on the race yet. And they're not like traditionally superstrong front runners like Hillary was in two thousand fifteen twenty sixteen. You know, they are they're both polling it like between twenty five and thirty percent, you know, Biden support as tick down. Little bit Bernie's estate solid, but they're not so strong and no one. And then after that you've got comma Warren Beddoe, and now Buddha judge all sort of in the mix at around eight to ten percent. And then a whole bunch of you looking at that field in your like, nothing scaring me away. Right. And I also just they're human beings. And I just think we don't know how loud the applause was in their minds in the shower while giving their inaugurals. They must be extraordinarily speeches that these people are giving to themselves. I mean, look, I think Howard Schultz is a good example of someone who was practicing running for president is mind for very very long time. That's a whole only discovered only discovered how hard it was when he started saying de LA other human beings. That's our garbage can of coffee grant Howard. Who got his candidacy unraveled in one interview with Alli Vel? She thinks that he's belongs on the world stage. What a clown alley Vel. She wasn't who was interviewing him in the shower. But yeah, I mean just to but everyone everyone should run. And we'll see what have is claimer. We have no Lamer. And honestly like I have no fucking idea. What's going to happen in this primary? I don't know about you guys. But like every single locked every single day. I read the news. I'm like, I would be nothing would surprise me in this primary. Some say cast is a pit. I think has a ladder. John. 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And you know, the best person is the first person you little friend group. Little group of similarly minded people your suite of tools. I've seen people kicked out of friend groups for using other apps in L A. It's a real thing. Yeah. Lost a couple of good friends that way, and you know, then I say I say if they were using the cash up we're the kind of friends you wanted to. If your friends jumped off a bridge named after another app, would you follow them? No way. I am honored to have in crooked media HQ. Amanda winn. She's the founder and CEO of rise a non-governmental civil rights organization. She was the power behind the sexual assault survivors Rights Act, one of twenty three bills to three bills. Michael Jordan number of bills to pass unanimously through US congress in twenty thirteen she graduated from Harvard University where she studied astrophysics and was a twenty nineteen Nobel peace prize nominee. Amanda, it's great to see you again. Thank you last time. I saw you. We met for an hour about how you figured out to do something. Most officials can't to pass laws. But then I hold you for like thirty minutes to talk about something I saw on cosmos, which has recently taken off Netflix, which is very upsetting. But you are going to see a spaceship launch day glac, dick. How was it? It was amazing all space launches are. Amazing. Have you been doing no? It's so they put cameras all over them. I mean, you must putting his tesla on the spaceship was just brilliant. Yes. So you're basically, you're on track to be an astronaut Alan to be that's my main dream. So this whole like writing civil rights stuff. It's like I'm trying to do a blueprint. So that I can get to space. We'll get the space at the end. So I think if people wanna learn even more about the work, you're doing it rise. You didn't awesome awesome crooked conversation with Lisa ARCE that gets into a ton of detail. But there's some new stuff as of this week that I want to cover so. We'll probably do a little less, but let's start there in in the work rise does so foundational to what you're doing. Totally what's rise in. How are you able to pass more pieces of legislation than anybody thought possible by taking our eagles in shoving it somewhere? Okay. Okay. So rises us all right on profit. And I started it because I needed to law rights, and nobody was going to write it for me. So after my rape at Harvard. I discovered a broken criminal Justice system rape kits and Massachusetts before my law passed were destroyed before the statute of limitations. There's a huge dole standard. So convicted rapists have the right to hold onto it for the ration- of their changes. Yeah. The other double standard is that other types of class violent felonies like murder, they never have their evidence destroyed but rape does. And I thought that was unfair. And so I realized I had a choice I could accept injustice or rewrite the law one of these things a lot better than the other. So I rewrote it. When I started rise was a team of us, and we sought to pass the sexual assault survivor live rights through the United States Congress. If you thought we were Joe, they're like look at twenty something year olds you have no. Any you have no power, you have no connections. And then we did it. It's amazing. Like, you have this astrophysics background your get science and math to organize like, how did you apply? Some of the things you're passionate about to the work. You're doing because I feel like you kind of hacked the system in a way that a lot of people talk about if you people really do totally. So for us data and being data driven is extremely important. And when we walked into a members of congress office, we knew every single vote that they've ever done on this everything they've said and also they're like cook Peavy I score. Right. And it was not only the moral case for why they should do this. But also the political case or why anyone should do this. So it came with a lot of strategy. But when we passed at that time, we became the twenty-first Bill Maher modern history to do so unanimously and the statistic for that point zero one six percent. But the most remarkable thing wasn't that. It was what happened after? So when President Obama signed it in two thousand sixteen we heard from over a million people who reached out to say, hey, I'm having these issues in my own community to and can you help us meet pen my own civil rights to distance. And so we sought to replicate that success. And I created a theory of organizing called hoping on mix. It's part game design theory, and then part national security theory in what it does is a game. If is the process of passing a law in over the past twenty one months, we've passed Twenty-one laws unanimously we trained over two hundred organizers do that. And it covers about forty million people civil rights. That's incredible. It's like, it's truly remarkable accomplishment. So this kind of blends into your announcer for this week Billy, do you think your theory of the case could be borrowed by someone who is passionate about criminal Justice reform or fill in the blank. That's the whole point. Right. So so much of politics isn't about facts, it's about how do you talk to irrational human beings of how making them believe it's in their best interest. Not only logically but emotionally as well. And. And that's exactly what we've done. So we take in. Now, the knowledge and resources we've amassed over these twenty one laws, and we're taking the next step. So we've built America's premier civil rights accelerator, and we call it rise Justice labs, so you just a couple days ago, you launch this project incubator for people who want to build a movement around 'cause that they care about. So how is rise Justice labs going to work? Yeah. So here's how it works in cities across America. There are umbrella organizations that gives seed funding to tech entrepreneurs. So when a tech entrepreneur has an idea based on the merit of their idea. They can pitch to VC firms and get seed funding mentorship. And that doesn't exist for civil rights until now. So what we do. We took a social entrepreneurship plans to grassroots organizing when an activist or an organizer wants to pass a law. They can apply to us. And if they get accepted will give them seed funding training. Ding access to professional services like lawyers and community an essentially we're covering the opportunity cost of someone starting up a social movement that is so important because I've heard you talk about this. But I think you saw this after parkland where? If a student who survived one of the attacks dare to tweet something about finding some joy in their day to day life. They were smacked down. Like, how dare you enjoy what you're doing? There's this sense. I think that activism has to be punitive for the individuals involved. It's totally crazy unfair. I don't believe in martyrdom, and actually, I'm so glad that you brought them up because we've actually started rise Justice labs under the radar for the past eight months and the first team we're so proud to work with our survivors alumni and friends other people who work with the folks from park land, the the survivors of majority stolman Douglas high. That's amazing. So like when I think about how effective you been effective. They've been it's like a transformers coming together. What are they looking to learn from you, and you're going to so this group of young people incredible young people founded by a young man named Robert Hsien trip. So he lost sister Carmen in the shooting on ever. Get it. So he came to me and said, I just wanna make sure that politicians. I don't care what part of the R will be able to be safe in voting for gun violence prevention because I just don't want to lose. My other sister, gun, violence and dot dot kind of organizing that kind of attitude is what it takes. And so over the past eight months, they've been incubated at rise fulltime they've gone through our training, and they are now in fifteen states. They have met with President Trump in the Oval Office. Yeah. Yeah. It was incredible. And with democratic leadership and just last month, Robert testified in the Colorado state house for a Bill they're supporting called Urpo in that Bill pass on its way to the gover- stuck that is remarkable God, the antidote to being frustrated with Washington is to get into states like that. Well, look, this is a time of frustration of political tribalism and of winning faith in our democracy. And I don't think that there's ever been a more vital moment in our history for people to understand that they hold the power, right? I am so sick of politicians who just for re tweets have these reduced sound soundbites instead of making steadfast policy, and for people who want an alternative to you know, giving money to candidates right there only five hundred thirty. Five seats in congress. You can run for them also run for local office. But also if you don't wanna run, or if you lose needs to want to serve in some way, there's a path for you to make change you see like, if I was a member of congress view, the most successful one pass twenty one laws unanimously, the only reason I was able to do that is by being outside of the political fray, right, right? So the other thing I think the other tension. I see a lot online because that's where we all live is what's real activism versus hashtag activists. So I kind of think the false choice, right? Like marching works. Sit in works. But I imagine if Dr king had the social media tools, we have today would have used those as well. Right. So where's the balance? What creative things you seen young people do that merge? Those the history with what we can do today. Well, I think our centuries industrial revolution is digital. And that the path, you know, the networks of distribution are absolutely social media. If I go to celebrity who has millions and millions of followers and ask them to tweet about calling in something. Those members of congress will be hearing those phone calls right in so hashtag activism along with other forms of organizing are all valid. But at the end of the day, what is it that you're trying to -ccomplish and for us at rise. We I didn't have the political luxury of cathartic performance. Like what I mean by that is I needed to work with people from all sorts of. Walks of life and people I didn't agree with in order to pass laws because for me in order for a healthy democracy to function its citizens need to be able to hash things out. And we have I think in this moment of extreme extreme toxic political tribalism lost. And so for folks who still want to make a change. There's a way and they can go ahead and apply to us at rise. Yeah. So you talk about the tribalism in the way it plays out in the media. I mean, the brick have nomination like homo Sony wanna if so awful, right? This incredibly believable credible. Compelling emotional testimony for Dr Blasi Ford, followed by fucking temper tantrum from Lindsey Graham, and that seemed to inspire their base more than Dr Ford's testimony got Democrats to turn out in in oppose the nomination in that like broke my heart. I just couldn't believe we lived in a country where. That is how someone would respond to trauma in like that. Right. And then more recently, we have a very different debate. That was similar tones about Joe Biden, and like what is appropriate, and, you know, whether you know, whether something fall short of of sexual assault or misconduct. Whether making someone uncomfortable at how we talk about those sorts of issues in the public square. So like, I guess I'm trying to figure out what's the best outcome. We can get from the conversations that we have publicly now about all of these issues. I I think America into world as an extent is going through mass public trauma together for the first time in the news. We're seeing very deeply rooted traumatic things that were stick Matic ones being played out over over twenty four seven, and that is expecting the way that people are responding not only to politics, but in there. Everyday lives. And the second thing is that regardless of the political spectrum. What at least I've observed from the things that have gone on is I is no longer. Do you believe survivors? It's if it is if survivors matter and the whole point that I'm trying to show, not only survivors. But everyday people is not only do you matter, but you have agency we're demystifying the process of passing law and trying to give people a roadmap because people are just fed up with investing or putting their hopes into politicians that maybe will do something for them. There's a profit model in politics of people paying premium to lobbyists and consultants for access to research connections and maybe ill work out. But for us there are people on the ground in the. These communities. Look, it's my deeply f- that the people who have the solutions to the world's most pressing problems are the people who live the problem every day, and those people should be at the drafting table too. So why does cut out the middleman right off it? So if you're listening to say, you're at home right now, you're listening to this. You're fired up by your success. You wanna get involve you apply to rise Justice labs. How do you do that? And what do you want to hear for them if they're gonna go from applicant to accept it? Because I imagine you're and get a lot of people trying to be a part of this. Yeah. So folks can go to rise now dot US, an apply, and what we're looking for are people who are passionate who have really big ideas about how to change the world. And who have what it takes? And here's what it takes somebody who can compromise right? One of the final questions. I'll give away one of the final questions that we always ask any person who applies to rise is if you were to meet President Trump. What would you say question? Yeah. And if the answers anything short of respect, they're not accepted because at the end of the day, we have to compromise we have to work with people. That's what democracy and our legislative process demands. And I still have faith in our legislative process. That's why we're be able to you know, pass laws. That's amazing. Okay. One space question. Okay. The path from today to becoming an astronaut how many years is that? And what do you have to do? So that's a really both exciting and complicated because there are multiple routes obviously so used to work at NASA. And that would be my dream to be emission specialist on one of their deep say Chenchens, hopefully to Mars. Yeah. But it's much more likely for me to go to space through a private space program. And there are a ton of companies who are exploring and making a lot of innovation head. Way into private space. So I am really excited to be able to contribute in both ways. You're bullish on private space. Yes, definitely. I've literally seen it with my own eyes. Last time. I was here. I headed from you to virgin galactic and saw the first woman ever to fly in commercial spaceflight into space and come back down. That is so cool. Amanda, it is so inspiring to talk to you. Thank you so much for coming in everyone should apply. Yes. Such a good idea. We need to see this replicated all across the country because that's the only way we're going to make some progress. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone should know one is powerless and we come together getting the game people. Thanks. Thanks man to win for joining us. And we'll see in Boston. The rest of you will hear us from Boston on Friday tickets for leave in Boston on Wednesday, high snap up those tickets.

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137. Criticism with Cal Wilson and special guest Celia Pacquola

The Guilty Feminist

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137. Criticism with Cal Wilson and special guest Celia Pacquola

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But you're in a send warmed hammock or something some airtime. Dangerous dangerous for everybody. I'm a feminist. But I said to the tool producer last night in Melbourne. Look, there's an exhibition at echo, which is the. Australian center for creative arts contemporary aunts. All odds of creative. It's quite a long time show, wasn't it. This an exhibition at the Australian centre for contemporary art, the next door to this very lovely theater called unfinished business perspective on art and feminism. And I said look God. That's amazing. It's right now. I should go to that. And he said, yeah. But you won't will you and I said, no, you're right. I want. Shots at five. And I don't have to be Hissel six get radio early. Then you could just get someone to tell you about it like Zuni one here this. I would. What's? Speechless. I'm a feminist. But sometimes I wish I was a dude just so I could we off a balcony. So befriends husband do it at new year, and it just really fun. And I was like, yeah. I could we off a balcony, and it's kind of the aftermath that are not so good with like is this a bit to the MRI kinda holder copter. Suspend do have a super advantage on that kind of thing. It's one of the things that makes me think there is a God. And he's a mom. See Tita she way or something like head, sir. All like can icing piper. Or scott. Obviously, I wouldn't use it again. But. Scott, the we it. I mean, you could make nothing pumpkins. Different shape nozzle. So you can have no that doesn't work at all. I'm a feminist. But when a friend tonight said he'd seen audience members walking out of feminist and African American Powell film Black Panther. He'd seen them walking out in it. I said we'll hopefully they babysitter. Texter to say their childhood died because that's the only reason you should go out of a film like that. And then I thought that's probably not okay to say not seven s you would takes to news anything that's with pool. Just wouldn't came to the show in LA. She's actually quite actress, and she was sitting there. And she said after what she said, I was enjoying the show so much. I don't start at the phone and the babysitter had texted child's name. Let's say it was Tina wasn't. Tnr is dead. And she said I thought that must be a typo because she said I didn't want to go. So I just thought probably not should. I was so into the show. She said afterwards. I look down on it actually said tina's in beds. She said I'd miss read it and thought that can't be Ryan's. I would love to be relaxed as appearance like because I'm I'm the opposite. Like if my husband hasn't taken me back within ten minutes. I'm like, well, he did he's gone. Like Nomo husband. Is there a tiny bit of relief as you feel free? Every person will you do think would be a new chapter. Really ties in with your mindset of like, the only reason you'd walk at a black pair he'll be if you didn't you're like, well if you husband did die. I. My husband edits this podcast. So this will end up very much on the customer. This is just for us in this room to enjoy. He's not putting it out there and telling you that but nothing or if he does it'll be in that bit at the end where does a blueprint the end it'll be there. I'm telling you that right now for nothing into suspended him sobbing quietly. The. You that's what it would be on the feminists about the other day at the airport when my husband let me we own heavy suitcase bit like, hey lift your game. And my suitcase. To be fit. He was holding his own backpack and our son's backpack. But I was still like Thai. This is the, you know, we'd we I go together. Like, I put my Becca at trying to prove that carry it draws by myself. So it's not like a need to prove anything to know. I'm a feminist bought just before the show cale said, let's all go backstage and put on makeup on. And I said my my Cup is on. And seeing you coda was there and she said, oh, no you look fresh like you've come out of the DOJ. Oh. Gazebo? And I went backstage and put on lots more. For the. I guess goes Powell's. Special. Owed on to. This is the guilty feminist cost in which we explore on noble goals. Twenty-first-century feminist poker season insecurities, which on the mine them today. We are talking about criticism. I mean. Yeah. I know it's terrifying. As feminists when can we be criticized by whom when can we give criticism what is criticism stultifying when is criticism motivating when is criticism necessary. When does it gets to change? Does it gets to fail? Why we hate it? So fucking munch. Why is it so painful, why is any tiny little minimal criticism? Just make us go. Is that because we criticized that much as children because of the patriarchy because it hates fem people and non binary people, and it wants us to conform into the binary. And therefore we're so used to patriarchal criticism that when we get some actual valid criticism sorts that we should be taking on board. Just makes us feel like we're being criticized as children again. And then we just. We just. Is just replaying the conversation we had the suffering when you're gonna win that top. We'll topping topping. That's what's happened. No. I'll tell you just confronting knows criticism specie, if it's your mom, but I mean it a loving way. I mean at loving mom, who's a delightful creature. She is so beautiful and the mummy est of the mums in my friend circle. She wants to me when I get my ESPN's for the second time. It makes you look like a slut. Which I didn't think it did. But apparently, but also there's nothing wrong with being a slot. That's should've been your comeback. I mean, the thing is when you fourteen and say to nothing wrong with being a sheet. I don't think we got to that point. Then where slot not a pejorative and had been really cleaned. No. It was a different era. When just slot equalled, Biden, we felt bad about it. It calls bomb having four holes in the ears and not to think was says, you creating extra orifices. And that's what she didn't. It's true. That's what it is. Here's our offices. And they make your mother nervous. She doesn't like the orifices. You have would gladly. So those up. She doesn't want extra orifices meme Senate. We're than she is. I just think mothers in general with teenage daughters fiercely now, there are a lot of enlightened mothers who are just like your sexual being Harvard. Dialing. Hopefully, if I were mother of a teenage daughter, I would be saying what are we saying saw stop doubting. I think that's a bit much. But I think I would be saying this no such thing as a start. And so it's like Santa like. We've been told that this mythical creature called a slut that comes all the time. Really? It's just your mom. That was a perfect punchline to joke. None of the setup so good. We weren't expecting a punchline guys provide as one that's gonna me show. Piece of spontaneous on if only we were recording this. Have you been following Douglas high? Okay. Terrible shooting in America. And the Doug was high students, basically have said this is going to be the last mass shooting at a school, and we are going to get a salt rifles band. And I mean they've been cold snowflakes. They've been criticized massively and they've been called snowflakes. How anyone could call a teenager who's just being in a traumatic mass shooting with their friends of died and is happy to get on a plane or a coach and go to Washington demand audience with the president and speak passionately and powerfully about this experience, which they they must have post traumatic stress disorder during this time and speaks powerfully and actually make meaningful change a snowflake is extrordinary to me. But the most extraordinary criticism is the conspiracy theories have you heard about this? So some people are saying they're actors. Yeah. That they're actors and they've been hired to pretend to be high school students in our Ray people saying, they're not real students. Obviously that to articulate took it at this. They've been media trained. They're obviously just like twenty five year old out of what actors on Broadway who like have been auditioning for a while. And nothing's really worked out there. Like, I look pretty young. I think I could play a traumatized students who has been through a mass shooting, and I could go to wash and this is the conspiracy theory that's currently going around and some of the responses from the students have been excellent my favorite was if you'd seen me in my high school production of fiddler on the roof. You don't think that I was an actor? To this. I've got video threats. So I was thinking about this. And I was thinking about conspiracy theorists because they are critiques of something they have to invent. So they invent the thing that criticizing. So it's like going to a Broadway show inventing a whole other Broadway show and critiquing that Broadway show, and I was thinking about my favorite conspiracy theory, which is the nine eleven conspiracy theorists. Do you guys know about the nine eleven conspiracy theories? So that will actually bombs in base of the World Trade Center, and that's what really brought it down. And I always think because people went backwards, and they go over to building full that way. Oh, but a plane wouldn't crush that way. Oh, but it would be difficult to see the plane into the building. But why is there this on the ground, and I sort of think they never really stepped back and go how did this begin? So I sort of have a much it. I always imagine in my mind, the young guys that must have gone to George W Bush who they believe was the one who started this false flag. Attack because that's what the conspiracy Sarah say, they say George Bush needed an excuse to evade invade. I've got a son in Iraq. So he created a false flag attack. In other words, he wanted a Middle Eastern country to attack America. So that he had the justification to do it. And I think I can I can see that. I can see George Bush wanting that and I can see how it would begin. But then like, I just imagine like you'd have to hire some creatives to do it come up with the ideas. And I just always imagined the young PR guys who was sent into the Oval Office to pitch because they have been those if that's the case, and I just imagine them going in and going. Okay, president. We've got an idea. We know you want a spectacular false flag attack. You need something where people say this is unequivocal. This is the worst thing that happened in America. It's going to be spectacular conscious. Be the same old same old things we've seen before so within king planes into buildings amazing spectacular. You gotta have the footage for CNN is gonna be incredible. I'm George Bush Gunja like it. I like it goods go that spectacular certainly. Yes. Great. Okay. But this is the best part. We're not sure what the planes are going to do to the buildings. So we'd like to put. Bohm's at the foot of the building just to make sure it's really something else. We don't want to be giving you what some of the other PR agencies are going to be offering you which is kind of ordinary. We wanna make sure this goes up. Okay. Great. So so people are going to think the terrorists did planes on Bohm's. No by that's the beauty of this. The bums a secret. Why the bomb secret that just got to be secret? So people think that the planes did all the damage, but really the planes did half the damage and the bombs did the rest of the damage, but everyone's got a sink the planes. Did all the damage? Okay. Guys, guys. This is too complicated down. This is this no need for secret Balm's like, let's just do the planes thing. It's easy. Simple. Whatever damage they do. I feel it's going to be enough that people are gonna go that was really bad. No, MR president, you need the bones. Okay. Well, in that case, the bums need to be bumps like, we need to say, hey, the plane's though, Bohm's they did both known the Bohm's need to be secret. Okay. Guys, the thing with Bohm's. It's really hard to do them secretly the bomb really fucking obvious. When they go off guys there's already to make the Bom secret. If you want to do bombs down with bombs dommage planes down with bulbs, but I don't want to do the ball of secretly. It's too much of a chance that's gonna come out. People are gonna be like our goals. Mr President, spare Keach my plan while branding agency, these bombs be secret, we need people to think the planes did all the work, even though the bombs did have the work. Just fucking heads. Why is this to you is just important? Just trust us on this one. We're the experts your just a president. We do peel. And then this point he goes, all right fine. It's so important to you. And you really think you can make the bump secret fine. So we'll just have these passenger planes into buildings. Yes. Bont? Bont the plane's not the planes that you think they are what we'll tell people that passenger planes, but really we're going to send military planes into the building too difficult passenger of buildings we're going to send military planes into buildings. What are we to send the military into the buildings and say they've been hijacked, no passenger planes. It's got to look like possible. Where are you going to do you gonna do the positive planes? We're going to land on an island off Hawaii. And pay the people to live there forever. And just not tell anyone guys. This is the plus lots. This is too Mr President. Let us do our job. We gotta to scatter some random pulse. Sports around of people who we want everyone to think all the terrorists just want. It look really bad if there's just like a full possible ban. But surely that's gonna look from DOE. It's going to look, right. And then we're gonna fly. Well, we're gonna make it look like we played at the Pentagon, right? But there's gonna be no plane. No play to all. What are we display plant into the pentacle because we wanna use that holograms? That is Jacob leave that is genuinely the conspiracy theory. Hologram plates. Joe? The president. I don't planes. We've got some new technology, really? Stick with us on this one. All right. You seem to know what you'll doing what I love about the response to Douglas high is how incredible these teenagers. Really all I just want to read you some of the responses this is from Sarah Chadwick. She says we should change the names of AR fifteen tomorrow Rubio because they are so easy to buy. And Jacqueline Koren. Who says you're missing the point. This is Twitter, by the way. That's not really he says, you're missing the point. We don't wanna take away your guns. We just want to prevent Americans from owning assault weapons into tighten the methods at which a person can push the firearm. Sorry at NRA. The children are winning thought some press. They're incredible. And consistent response is just phenomenal to watch. They really give me hope that the future of this world's in good hands. If we can just get it to them if we can get it to this next generation who are inclusive who do understand gender fluidity. Who do I'm stunned that something like America being owned by the NRA is destroying generation and all taking back that power who are so feminist in their attempt so socialist in their intent, I really feel they're going to turn it around. But we've just as the sorts of middle generation got to wrangle it. So that they just get it. We've got to find a way to sustain the world's that stands without some terrible terrible thing happening in terms of borough climate change because if we do it's going to be in the hands of people like Cameron Caskey who says. David hawk who was accused of being an actor. It was accused of being one of these outworked trauma students. David Hoge is smart funny diligent. He says in defense of his friend who survived the shooting and went to Washington DC. He is smart funny and diligent, but my favorite thing about him is undoubtedly that he's actually a twenty six year old felon from California. About. Really really feels like a moment doesn't it? Like these kids have they've taken control of the own story. Like the way that they not leading people at the NRA or other people who signed that they're making this up the telling the story and the being so courageous also just not backing down there just saying we're going to keep on and the things that they've done include just so you know, what they've managed to achieve in a short period of time. I saw this on Facebook today in just nine days students have pushed for CNN town whole forced Rubio commitments squeezed, the president to propose a bump stock bound, and that's the device that makes mobile it's come out of already terrifying. Gum, pressured advertisers to stop funding, the NRA crowds millions of dollars for a March. They've done more in nine days than politicians have been able to do in years. Direct-action is the way forward we can convince politicians to do what we want if they think they're going to lose power the mall. We'd go to number ten all the White House. Okon bre and say you work for us. We don't want. This. You have to change or you will lose power the more. We do what they want is to continued power. So the more it becomes clear that the segment of society that they're under representing or their modulating will vote if you are a young person a person of color, a transparent, we need to get everybody voting and everyone vocal that voting and allies saying I as a person will not vote for you. If you don't legislate on behalf of my transistors and brothers. That's what we need to be saying because some segments of society, if you're a minority ethnic person, you're a minority, and that's why you don't get legislation for you. So the majority has to step up and ally hard and say what how you legislate for my friends will affect my vote because it's not going to change until we start doing that. Until we start letting them know. Today is an award-winning stand up comedian on award-winning actor multi multi award. She's got more awards than anybody except George Clooney. And the co creator of the television show rose haven. Please. Nice. I meant the dodger thing is compliment, really not show entirely. What it is does a Karachi. Yes. E- house. Do I look like? Weck solve you could've of KOMO of vise. Yeah. So yeah, I'm real Anna joke, but it is a couple of because she signed it you've come out of a dodger, and you look fraiche like you've just totally what that might be real fifty dudes killer, leased oil being fighting men's rights activists. Yes. Probably just flowing you. I'd say for flipping the my shoulder in reality. I have no suffrage it too. Very good. Yeah. Thank you back because he told me this afternoon. That's what we're gonna be talking about. And I've realized I have a very special skill to hit everything as criticism even on criticism. Just you looking at me right now is like I'm sorry to stop. But it was warm embrace. Oop. I know it's not you. It's very much. We'll sort of examples like I think it might have started. I went to an old girls high school that'll do it explained. Well, this is very much all girls high school, the number one. Most commonly used phrase in any old bills high school is behind my back and. The second most common is right to my face. It was and it was you could never tell like genuinely it was a life of life. It was five years. But when you it's like, a, you know lifetime of people saying things like I love your outfit. Tell you the suck has them. So I think I grew up never actually knowing what was real. And what's veiled sort of insult? And always have a way of pulling an insult out of a compliment. I think women ought so criticized every billboard criticizes us it's an implied criticism. Isn't it? Every time you see a woman on a billboard who is smooth issue. Not you suck. Why didn't you could be? I went into this big venue that we use the guilt famous in London, which is sort of like also lots of chamber orchestras there installing and they have these huge billboards at the front of whoever's on and often it's like famous cellist and stuff who I don't know. I don't know famous cellists. But I can we all do I can tell. Sometimes it's comedians and stuff one day I walked in. And I didn't know that I was going to be on the billboard. And it was a photo of me from a photo shoot. Where bar this big feather hat. Wings. Yuck. And I was starting like posed with my hands on my hips. And it was from the shots. Probably a year old. And I was doing a lot of yogurt at the time. So I think I was title title. I was more toned, and I was tighter. Also, my is kind of cute, and I looked pretty fierce. And I walked under am I was with my goddaughter. She said, oh, let's go picture in front of it. Or I did. I remember one of us. Wanted a picture in front of the poster of me. And then so I looked at the picture of me with Mike Alta in front of the poster. And I look as good as that. You hearing myself to my enviable eight may even when it's you realistic. I'm telling you, I setting off to that every time that building scurried in because I couldn't live up to my build. I'm not think it's true though, nobody on a billboard looks like the billboard. Because it's you in the best lighting wasn't furnish up probably a bit because it was huge. And otherwise you pause look like mountains, but it was an unrealistic defer to show it wasn't like they chopped off my hips off. They were still big box. It was beautiful lights beautiful makeup. And I was just looking at it going. I will never be that really only be that in that shot. And then I realized that every time I saw Bill but margin the real person standing onto Nathan going, but they finish up my sunny line, all but all the clothes peg in the bat. I was glad that so many people walking past that going you sorry, you probably make a little feel really bad about themselves as a compliment like I've seen that photo when it super hot. And like intimidates me I'd say that'd be. This woman. I'm a feminist up. My billboard makes women feel about. For the billboard though. I didn't also the billboard and Doria. Also, I think I'm allowed because I'm not in that bracket of super attractive to note. I mean, okay, this is dangerous surgery. No, no, I'm not I'm not like petite and bloomed. And like, I don't know. What thinks this is the other thing I was going to get to the self criticism. We find a way from a place of I've seen that photo. And it's hot and you're gorgeous sure without being absolutely not like a science six like, I don't know this vision that I have of what these stereotypical tractive woman is isn't me. That's true though on saying I looked wear look. But I don't think I'm Jay this is therapy. I should stop. I should stop objectively enemy. But no, I'm stuck have a look that way. If somebody if I have a team of people around Shicheng anyone can look a list if you by the right people, it's grooming. Screw ho Jenny creamy. It's totally gumming. So yes, if you grew me does. But I think that's anybody though, I still feel I'm out of billboard. Because I've done conform to a stereotype what I'm stuck Beckett. Is you say mobile would makes women feel shit. But. Martill? And I don't think it does a sort of said that in a way that maybe didn't make us feel better. When we see those billboards of people, we don't know that seem so unrealistic to think of that woman's gonna everything that I don't God that woman thinks she's one for half achieve not look gorgeous. She is and thought of that woman will be positive owned building going. Oh, I can't even live. That's what I do know, I'm module whenever I see like a bus stop. I mentioned the real woman standing next to it. And I imagine how she looks with makeup in normal nights. Or even if I'm feeling like I need extra help on nights. Fishing room nights. I think this is how this is how she feels that Bill allied to everyone, including her really helps me because I find billboards to be criticism, and that's ridiculous. But it is true. Just what? And then we discouraged by the patriarchate from leadership roles with constantly told every time, I see an all male panel or all male panel with one woman on the end who's being edged out. That's a criticism. It's a criticism of women in general that we shouldn't be on panels. Yeah. I just in my because of our line of work criticism as a lot more person. But it just as well, actually, this is one hundred this week. And I want to get it off much as I did a show somewhere on this tool. I we are doing one nine. And I thought I had both for the guests are group of women who are incredibly diverse, and then we realized I was on top of one nine and that night they happened not to be there. And so we didn't have guessed, and it was really hard twenty guest or co host because everyone shows at the same time at this particular place. So we found a really co host who was able to flying. And we found a really pissed who was on the fringe. And it was a really really good fun show and afterwards there was a review which I never look at my reviews, but someone had average the reviewer saying, no, no, no look at the history of the pope cost. They do do a lot of diversity. And so then I kind of had to click and the review I had said two things one is by looked around and basically virtually everyone in the audience was white middle class than straight. And this is because Deborah is drawing those people to her because her podcast is all about white straight middle class women. It's all from their point of view. They all referring to the husbands, and they were all referring to having businesses and that kind of thing, and so it will fall far from the Mark if you're not in that category. And I got really upset because I felt I was reviewing the audience. And I thought you look around that you don't know who straight unless you're imposing your ideas of sexuality and gender expression on people. You don't know who's indigenous just because somebody has pale skin doesn't mean that they're that whites. I'm living with someone who Syrian who's very pale. And he says he is white privilege. You don't know that you certainly whose middle class unless you're going working class people don't dresses, well or something some imputation that you have in your mind, who's disabled just for some of the wheelchair disabled. So I got really angry, and I also got really angry because I feel like my commitment is over the course of the show over the vailable seats. I must not available. Too bad. Vailable seats over half of them need to be sat in by people who are not white straight middle class. But I don't want to also close down voices of amazing women who are out there doing their thing because they're not in that category. I just need over half of those seats and recently someone called me on and said, what's your diversity in LA? And I counted up we'd hit seventy percent, which was really good. I mean for comedy, it's incredible. But. Moving before. But it is. I thought it was really good. And some when she said, oh, you've basically created an audience in your own image. Because all you ever do is thought you could've just clicked on the thing and seen previous episodes and seen who was there. I don't mind the comment given the diversity of the show. This one was particularly white straight wasn't actually fully Mukasa saying, I don't mind someone saying I found this disappointedly homogeneous given that, but she basically had made a decision, and I got so upset and I hundred incredibly badly hormonal and jet jetliner did not know because I still don't know what my period is coming. Why that is why I think it's because yet to save every month of my work is I think it's because I'd hide it so much that every time it finishes a few. Glad that's never happened again. Yes. Ordered something online. And then it's between five and seven business day. Arrive at some point of these couple of weeks. So I always wear every time so more of us jet nights. So I mean, it he tweeted the review and said something like you can review me my audience. You don't know who they are. And that's your conscience bias. But I also said we're really working to include. And this review will exclude because some people will read it go all this for me, then and then they won't hear does Roberge and Souza more clever. Whoever else is on that. We kinda got to be what about they don't going to hear those people because you've made in active exclusion, we're trying to include. And she said, I'm sorry misrepresentative, please address everything else to the editor. And I wrote to the said, well, we're not changing it because she has a PHD gender studies focusing on your sexuality, and I thought we'll please Senator comedy because. Doctors. The PHD's sexuality that have great civilian. This is main. Main. My main thing we've criticism in terms of whether I take it on board on and whether I give it it's two questions. It's who am I and who are you like other than a review that light FOX? But even something that I feel about this. So I feel like if it somewhat yet another situation in the same place that you're referring to we're much good, by the way. Doing a drag show the caravans three beautiful men being mentors in the caravan. And the publication sent a twenty year old homophobe to review the show. He did. Anyway, I thought about it. And I wrote another Email saying, well at least track the Paul said, and I said retract the pot about the audience or just say the bottom asterisks that says we do not know the demographic calls I joined on the demographic compared to what that town normally gets competitive you come to the fringe. And you don't know how many people they just don't fucking knows please don't say, but they didn't respond to my emails, and she didn't respond to any of the tweets now. I thought about lace out I calmed down. And I thought here's the thing. I was so indignant, and I'm so put out because I felt like lady I've really been trying more and more to censor women of color queer women, and I felt really put out. I thought I'm trying what taking meet what did you just try like men? Doc fringe festival doing shows called boys. Boys boys, all the time. Section really upset. And then I just thought about it. And I thought, you know, why my show is intersectional Krizan when we started we will pretty white straight. People wrote in and said, hey, pretty straight. We said things like welcome lettuce gentlemen, and then some rain and when I'm not binary and that makes feel excluded. And I was like. And every time we go to criticism, we changed. So the only reason the dish show is so intersectional or doing suffered or anything in calories prison. I don't know any of this shit two years ago said I didn't know any of these things. I opus is a every single thing. I'm doing everything. It's the only reason I'm doing anything good in the world critcism. So I it a lot more than it owes me so one should he review from someone who did not stumble doing who? I recommend you know, what I reckon? She heard the rest of the episodes. I want should have done. He's right back and go. Hey, I'm sorry that you didn't enjoy this episode. But I reckon you really enjoy the one about Handmaid's tale. I think you'd really love the one about minefields, and I really would love to direct you some those. And if you feel that actually audience would enjoy those things that I did in the says hangers associate I feel about birth. Sensitive and if they're not gonna sleep fun. That's what it should have said. And I woke so my new my new feeling this. I have to give myself forty eight hours to respond. There is always a policy. There's always another chance to break up with the bad boyfriend. But there's not always another chance to get together with that postal. So you should know you should break up the boyfriend. That's. Charleston. There's always the chance to read an Email. There's a chance to take an agreement back. So not have to write an apologize anyway. So so you're saying when someone gives you criticism you have to wait forty eight hours. Water fits face to face. To the potassium supplies. Always carry back bag Bates. Where the saying that in between length again. Why would just be like set time? I do think it's good to try and take good things out of criticism. Like that. And also trying to do using it to its by rather than because we get reviewed. I worry that it will make me too safe to take risks because I don't want people to say something they weren't like Michaud in particular by show this year is the first time where I think that we will who really will like it. I think there's going to be people who will come knowing me from other things really would like it at all. But I would think come out is you can use it as an inspirational thing to get stuff done, not reviews in particular. But twenty seventeen I had a Mata rather than a resolution, and this is the other way get anything done by motive twenty seventeen was you'll see you'll say. It may be the images the spot just look in the mirror ominous show. Eight is your. Haters. You're gonna get my backup. Motto was made. Fuck you. Suggest version of that. Which is which. Which would be my one because I sort of go to more of an upbeat tempo. Version. Yeah. Same time. You're a little bit. So what I do with reviews? Now, I just don't read them. I get someone to read them for me let so we have management, and so I get someone manages to read the reviews, and then they tell me if this useful thing to put on the poster, and I just act as if it hasn't happened. But when I started my show, I started my show the lead fringe and manager who is like he's got like a laser brain for comedy came to a show. And then he came back sides after gave me half an hour from noise, and it was incredibly confronting the shows could hindsight. And the first thing he said was you shows not about hindsight. It's about anxiety. And I was like oh in hindsight. I wish I had time side. Really confronting this, man. Who is so brilliant all of the nights? He gave me made my show so much bitter. And it was a real spurring on thing. Go oh shit. I thought it was all right? But it's not. All right. It's okay. But I can make it bid, and it was real much of anything here that take him anything other that tried to think hurt straight away. But it does make it better. Also think about all of those kids on like strategies, go town really could've done with them. You love your kids. But who just take him a side doesn't have to be made just a love by. Singing his shit. Does your own child's though, I think I don't have children. But when it's your child, do you not think they can sing is that the do that don't have kids that I know of that's an old joke. Somebody's leaving to tell their child this shit. And I'm thinking you've just she's just got up and going, right? I'll do it. Now. I hope she's going to the what has been too many years listening to that banjo. It's awful. Tonight. In terms of feminism, critcism, we get criticized by other feminists. We get criticized by people on the internet who don't like feminism a tool. How can we be more constructive criticizes? Because I think what you'll go. This is what you was thankful count if criticizing someone. Yeah. Come from that criticism. Like you wanting the person to do something bitter. Are you hoping to help them? Do you just wanna fuck them off? Like is it like you just wanna fuck them? The right way to criticize. Isn't it? That's in the couple of times. Nicking negatives. Pretty someone sort of saying, oh, why do you trust like that? You're my favorite early example of Nagin was me, and my friend were editor a and Melvin over to drama school that we didn't get into relevant. But I'm just telling you, so go to my friend. Susan went a fucking hot tub and she want to fuck off and stop looking at it in. And it was just. Didn't see sex. This seven woods. This is gonna be classic, Nick. This is the most credible woods that a person that identity has opened with about today win you used to be beautiful dim yet. It was amazing because it wasn't your ugly. It was there was a time. When you had it. But it is not this day. It was. My. Yup. Line that I ever got was those lines through. It was really funny. It didn't work. But I thought it was really funny guy up to the basal go in the room. But on the only one talking to you. This opening line just from nothing to these things standing some club. God, I go. He it's to in. So desperate eggs skews me. I was ending near the toilet. And he thought I was in the queue for the toys. No. Disparate to us. That's better though. Telling the story, two grandchildren and like well grandkids us rod Wedneday, grow brevity thought. Your grandmother really needed to pay and he pointed that and. I looked at an just tell let it was bloated. And I thought she is the woman with strong pelvic floor muscles for me. No wrong. But hey, still tells that story as well to himself every night this he can't sleep. This lies in bed going you sprint. What was his Icaria watermelon moment? My we did tell me that. You think I'm dressed like dirty? Did I did? I did. I said I wish on my dad's interest. I had a dress. Oh, I'll feel like what a Milne's, but I do know selectivity daddy. What? No, it makes me feel like the good old days. When you stand on the podium by yourself and Mike with a gun then made in the alley. None of this. True. I am era. I am I went to an underage nightclub code protein, which I only figured. It's now a mattress factory coincident. Oh, I think Mercedes a good nicely. Like, it was it was a mess. It was spelled protein like chicken like chicken has protein and the orange. Okay. Tony humiliating? Yes. My god. My god. This is the worst thing if ever happened. So you wouldn't you wouldn't know what to look at me. So this is unusual that I'm in address as you would know usually Jason Tatum. Imus fifteen year old boy in the buddy, thirty five year old woman. Okay. Comfort is my dream. Right. But there was a time when I was under sixteen because Bill school there was why miniskirts crop tops because he went what because they had the black lots in this glow. While you're on the podium this. This is. Time if I was to describe my car my wardrobe. It was a lot of mesh and dragons. And one important guy. Oh my God. Tap on the shelter. Hands pants place. Explaining to you, Debra. Want scuds? Confused, also Celia. So I wasn't wearing pants. My hands would not at side of the pants with a shoot. If they weren't inside the pets. I said it was explaining to, you know. You get a whiteboard. He's panting. Early nineties. In the ninety s. It was an era. Just give us a shot. If you were child in the nineties of you too innocent to be seen in the nineteen just chin. The nineteenth. You don't remember the nineties? What how what were you born? Have you seen the graduate young? Could be a very nice MRs Robinson. What shouldn't get back to me? The things like it's terrify. I'm glad it's so much scary now with like. Accent with technology and sending images. Wearies do sketches of episodes. One time. This is a spoilt by shows at I'm not proud of this as well. But one time let it die film something I because twenty when I it's six wasn't like storyboards in a trotting sheet. What I'm saying, I dated a guy you had a phone. The good thing is that was like ten years ago. So and it's a knock. Yup. The chances of that being any kind of this is getting blurry shapes. Brian. Thanks. What am I going to be? That I should have done this. Hollow guilty feminists. Eight is Deborah. I am briefly interrupting podcast listening to let you know that my film say my name is going to be screened in London on the twenty second of February at film fest into national if you would like to find out more just go to film fest, international dot com. Ten AM in the morning. 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Go to kings place co two K to get tickets before they go help refugees in Kelly are in dining of tents and sleeping bags. Please. Check out their website to find out how you can donate and get them there as always my book is available at Worcester NHS, Amazon and in all good bookshops. And if you would prefer that I read it to you because you enjoy the podcast, then it is available on audible back to the cost. The sage the wonderful, the only the famous right here. It's count Wilson. I understand that criticism is not just criticism from critics, but as a performer, I think of criticism is generally coming from someone who has been paid to tell me, I'm shit. So. I was thinking about all the criticisms that I've had in my life all from review is. But I was just going through the list of all the criticism that I've never forgotten one pace was seventeen. We did a play at high school. It was called the insect. Play in me, and my best friend would just up his Beatles. Not like, John Paul Ringo, and George, but actual Beatles. And we head amazing makeup on we had Whiteface within a blackboard around their face and big rig cheeks, and we gave her Beatles sort of northern accents from England. 'cause he wanted to make them sound really entertaining. And afterwards. The judge said it wasn't attaining. But would have preferred regional Kiwi accents. And the thing is this only one Kiwi accent? And this is it. Actually that's sorta adore loads. But they will sound the same to you. So. The reason are clearly is when we wash makeup off it was such cheap makeup that we'd had legit reactions to it. And so when we washed Mike, we just head Russia's in the shape of the makeup. So for the whole week. We look like Beatles. Even though we had on one time OD youth group friends getting sick of me cracking jokes all the time and one of them seed, you try to be funny. One hundred percent of the time. But you're only funny eighty percent of the time. Which said the two I moved afford me. But now as a professional comedian. I think that's quite a good hit, right? One dollars two big Brisbane, which was so thrilled to be asked to do. It was a fantastic day. There was so many gorgeous drag queens, I felt disappointingly underwhelming Lee striked, and I'd been picked up from the port by a driver and with a car excitingly and. Sometimes when you do a corporate gig seem to car with a driver. And this time the driver had brought his wife with him, which you not supposed to do. But that was okay. Hello, frank. Hello, ruben. And they drop me off at the big yet. And they said we'll be just here to pick you up afterwards. And I did the gig. And I tried my hardest. It was crazy. And there was this loss of dancing everything. And then go back into the car the driver's wife went well, we could hear everything and we knew on stage. We could you is. So you know, what I'm supposed to be in the fucking car. What are you talking about? My husband is a very beautiful, man. He's very blunt show to new top Pisit smoke. What do you think of top? He said, it's nice. It makes you a bit pregnant. Which I replied does it. That's nice good to have had twenty minutes where out of it before I throw away. My grandmother was quite critical woman. She criticized me for being too clumsy for not eating enough. She told me I was too short my favorite to comments that she gave me one was it's wonderful. The appearance can still be proud of you. Wants back in my mid twenties. And I had platinum blond hair seen it for six months. And the first thing she said was they told me your hair was the same color as mine, but it's not it's he white. To term replied thence because all the guys I've been giving jobs to don't wash their hands. I didn't I didn't. But I had to do something to pull that beckons victory. I did twenty years ago. It was called Cal Wilson is the anti Christ. And it was about maybe born again teenager. I was born again Christian. I sold the lightness switch it off because it was wasting electrity. Things at the Lord's prayer. And I read Rochat using audience suggestions, and I got review that was so awful. It made me cry for a week like get up in the morning. I would remember the review, and I would just cry until it was time to go and state. I looked for this online today. I couldn't find it. It's not online. But I do remember some of the lines. Are remember the one paragraph ended something something something in descended into a hell where there are no laughs, which wasn't true? Other people were laughing except for this woman, and then she quoted a bunch of the beast audiences and seeds. Some of the punch lines were owned. It was absolutely vicious. It was a personal attack on me, and because the newspaper that she wrote it for was the sponsor of the comedy festival. They published a synopsis of the review if we day for the rest of the week. So and this was even more distilled vitriol, and like it was such an awful review. I had people stopping me on the street to go. What did you do to that review? A study showed going anyone seeing the review and even go. Oh, yes. And I don't know what to do to it must've accidentally fucked to husband. It was just destroyed me just killed me. And look I'm over it. Now, I realize that it was more bet who than it was about made heavy people don't try and stop someone from doing the thing that I love like she offered no strike of criticism. It was just tight down. And so was looking for the review online today. I was sort of disappointed half. Glad that I couldn't find it. And then I found optical written by the revere. Pasadena husband unexpectedly made redundant couple of years ago. And I didn't mind that at all. What I would do because great review. It's like don't get me wrong. And I also know that no kids bet reviews the review in the Pusan getting reviewed, and they're lovely review is a species the ones that have come into noise. So so I just six this review is that there are so lucky Greg with you, it doesn't necessarily give you great review. They should definitely critique the show, and you should know more about the show. Then what I thought of it. I was thinking had difficult. It would have been like the Judeo Christian. God had created the world. But had accidentally created a review of I like mega. That's what happened. So maybe he made the first man and then dropped before he was pulling dry. And then when you went to pick him up and sort of stood on the hit by the state by them, even though he pops the he'd been destroyed by blowing into the map, you know, the way you bottle ad again like. Glenn hit out again. But I still we'd creek in the back of the heat and all the noise sleep debt. Quite the yellow leaky out of a creamy. So that would be the first view and so. If head created the review, I review of the world might have gone this in the hands of another day. He will might have been created much more efficiently wanting to sit on a night. And but frankly, it's six days drag dog. The day of risk to the end. We could have done was an integral. Started reviewing God's animals like duck a waterproof him one-stop. Cirrus? With the unicorn cokely's. Could improve its appearance by giving skin that actually fits one-stop. She saw that self-propelling ecoboost. One-stop? Stuffing one's done. Viewing by reviewing things that aren't comedy as if they were comedy. So I thought maybe it'd be it'd be easy to review a chair rather than try to literally armchair critic. So I I would straight. Different sorts of reviews there. So the fame of us that admit the Boya, so they say something like or dislike to the chair. I am more into beanbags to its credit. The recipients loved the chair and could not stop sitting in it. Tug at timid graphic. But if you enjoy cheese, you will love this one. Supportive reviews. I've watched this cheer grow from a piece of ward. To play to a foot store and finally to the chills was meant to be. Look forward to next year's Shays loan. Reviews that take issue with the fact that the chair is a chair chair disappointed with its use of stock standard fully expect an honest to great to see a chair that goes way to hit eighty nine -letes. Use video and social media. The reviews that miss the point and Tali. This chair is a table. This could fit six people around this load hosted policy. Hotter. Next time chair. The current resentment review. I know a lot about cheese on bicycling cheer myself. On a bit of chip in the chair. I want to. I am angry that the chick. It's people can sip about all I can do is about. My kids still hurts from where all the yellow me down. Experienced Rubio who's been Sikora and because the proper review is a busy reviewing the risk of the two warehouse chicks, they notice good as I fell. Inexperienced review is who also prone to the spoil. It looks this chair. It was sitting on the highlight was the surprise bit. We're turns out the seat comes off the chair and turns into a cushion. Also, some great surprise cameos from other cheers, including secret ists, Antea, Sunfire and autumn. And then you hit the personal prejudice review. It chairs on funny. Talk about his periods. Wanted on the record that I am number of times tried to this conversation around too feminist. Critique. And if that didn't happen do not trust your tweets to me. Want any comments about the receipt in underage club in the nineties sharing that the? Shames miami. Obviously. Notice shames. Ashamed than you all about that. He's out there somewhere that guy. See? TV sometimes. On the basis that tick remedy. Things. Sorry. He doesn't recognize you till you like put your hand up faces. It might be only to him when you're under those disciplines the ones that turn everything what black black white or whatever it is that it does. Can you to this character? The only exit. I can do is supernanny which will sound. Oh this in. It'll be -fensive. It's this ship that you'll be is unacceptable. With. You get to be offensive to supernanny. Okay. Here's a piece of criticism. I rejected. I had somebody say I was doing like a mock restraining next sent someone wrote in and said, you're Antea strain. Richard is getting worse, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You do you know what I said, I said. Both. I said postie I'm a citizen of Australian assistant Britain both Britain under strayed Lia developed nations who have rivalries neither of them as countries a marginalized if I were to be doing an accent in a strata of marginalized people that would be a problem, but the status between Australia and Britain is not one in which I there is modernized. There is a healthy back and forth. We do the ashes so this is like taking the piss out of a brother or sister. And therefore there is no oppression. And there is no power balance. So I think you'll find that you just have no sense of humor. Just these one fun because they're gonna hit that go upset. Now. I love you, whoever you want you trying to do a good thing. But. Okay. Okay. Good to me. What the only reason I know how to do accent? Because I've really fun to make say stuff that she wouldn't say like him. Old look him in the eye and give him some heroin. On Twitter, accurate failed comeback hunky take out Instagram dot com forward slash to feminists. Stop doing that. Carol. Doing grab it. Up to the list to get for it is new episodes release. I'm now Dick Van Dyke. Go to review and subscribe, it helps other people find the put gusts. Anything to plug pagoda. Yes. I am doing it. New stand up show that he's totally finished. Writing season three right now. The red one grits this usually people go the rate hit McGregor. The redhead all the nervous one the other way. Someone win wiz the red one. My time. But my stand up show is called old toke. I think if you'd like this you will like that. It's a lot of this stuff. It's toke because the rest of that saying is all talk, no action. Like, that's a bad thing. Like, oh, you're talking to action, but talk is my action that she's Tokyo. Hyping that talk is it important step on the way to action. So if you like to come to that very much appreciate we would love to come. Undoing much show find sites which is not. Fairly about what I would've called it twenty twenty. But then people would think it was about the twenty twenty hindsight cricket. Could hold of white trims. Outside. Can you do the show? Never forget it into my brain. Hounds outside pants. What he looks like because I exploded. That like into chain. Embarrassed to be with me, they tried to escape. So much naive teenager. Look because I was good Kristen goo at youth group sustain, and I was going out with a nineteen year old my parents, wouldn't let me leave the property because they were at outs and understood what was happening and that he was kissing. Meek would not on the porch one night and he had his hand on the side of my booth, and he was like rubbing his thumb on the side of my booth. And I was in my head going, hell embarrassing. He doesn't realize he's touching my booth. Some beautiful I ever see that. Plugging something hindsight is. The prison company festival. 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Ep. 628 - The Big Day

The Ben Shapiro Show

49:39 min | 2 years ago

Ep. 628 - The Big Day

"It's Senate Judiciary committee hearing for Christine blazey. Ford wanna Brett Kavanagh's accusers, and Brad Kavanagh will testify as well. So that's all that matters today. I'm Ben Shapiro. This is the Ben Shapiro show. Oh yes. We will go wall to wall with all of latest. Suffice it to say this is not going well for Republicans. I will explain why for all the reasons it is not going well also what the actual hearings should have been designed to do and what they actually will not designed to do. We'll get to all of that in just one second. I, if it feels like you need a drink or not alone. Okay. The reality is that on a day, like that's pretty much all of us, especially in this business needed drink. And if you actually would like a drink something good, they should go out and check out our friends over at wink. Wink makes it easy to discover great wines where we've taken a little bit of time touring ourselves out from the new year and if you want to, you know, go back to drinking. 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There's no membership fees. You can skip any month. You can cancel anytime in shipping is covered. So pretty solid. You'll go check it out right now. Try wink dot com slash Ben for twenty dollars off. Okay. Well, today is of course the big hearing day and today is the day in which the Senate Judiciary committee after long last interviewed. Christie blazey Ford, who is the first accuser against break Cavanaugh now to stop for just a second before we actually get into the accusations that Christine blazey Ford made. We should recognize that there've been a number of allegations that been made and I want to go through them. This is the one that matters. Christine blazey Ford's is the one that matters because it is the most credible and it's the most credible because it is the one that that rings the truest there still questions about it. This is the problem for Republicans from the very outset. It was unclear what Republicans were attempting to argue about these allegations. Were they arguing that Christine blazey was lying? I've never argued the Christine blazey was lying. I always believed that she sort of believed what she believed she'd come forward with these allegations before. Brett Cavanaugh was even selected for the supreme court when he was just on the shortlist and there's evidence that she had talked about it back in twenty twelve. I was never somebody who suggested that Christine blazey Ford was lying. I questioned whether her memories might not have been correct because memories change over thirty years. I questioned whether more importantly the evidence was sufficient to not break Cavanaugh out, and this was always the big question. The big question to me was is an allegation alone, no matter how credible without any corroborating evidence whatsoever. Is that enough to stop the nomination? That's really the question because no matter how credible witness is it's going to be. He said, she said, if they're the only people in the room and in this particular case, Christine blazey Ford had suggested there are other people at a party when she was fifteen and Brad Kavanagh up was. Seventeen. She says that at that party Cavanaugh and his friend, Mark judge forced her into a room, turned up the music and cabinet forced her onto a bed, or he attempted to take off her clothes and then placed his hand over her mouth. When she tried to scream, there's no other witness that verified this count. Mark judge has denied it. I think he should be subpoenaed, but Mark judge night breath Cavanaugh denied it. She says the other people at the party will get into her specific allegations in a moment, including one for close friends who has denied that she was at any party with Brad cavenaugh. So there is no corroborating evidence. We don't know date. We don't know location. We don't know time. We don't know how she got there. So even if she's telling the absolute truth, there is no way to actually corroborate any of her story. The reason that matters is because this was happening in a quasi public setting. There should be some corroborating detail. If you look at situations involving Bill Cosby or Harvey Weinstein, there ways that you can corroborate at least the people were telling the story at the time. As I mentioned on the show when I was in high school, I I've said fifteen, but I believe I was actually thirteen or fourteen because it was my sophomore year of high school. When I was in high school, I was abused by. Kids in my class. I remember where it was remember who the kids were, and I should be able to lock down the date. If I just look at yearbook or look back into calendar and I can find people to corroborate the story. There's no corroborating evidence here and blazey Ford has been unable to really corroborate any of that now. Does that mean she's lying? No, it doesn't mean she's lying. It doesn't mean she's lying at all. And so what this comes down to is is the allegation itself enough if you believe the allegation itself is enough. All that mattered today from the hearing is that blazey Ford was emotional when she spoke about this because she obviously experienced a trauma, inexperienced pain wrote the, which I believe by the way, I believe that she did experience some trauma and she is experiencing pain. I don't doubt any of that, but the question becomes without any other corroborating evidence, is that enough? And so that just made today basically a sort of public assessment of her performance was performance. Credible was performance believable was performance emotional, which is kind of gross. I mean, that is kind of gross. The fact that the public question was going to come down to how well could this alleged attempted rape victim. Well, her story because in that sense, if she'd been more robotic would not have believed her if she'd come off a little bit, less collected would not have believed her if she had not come across, emotional would not have believed her in. Those are uncomfortable questions, but that's why Republicans never should have gotten into this line of questioning in the first place. The question always should have been listened. Even if we believe your story, there's no corroborating evidence, and we have a denial on the other side. That means that there is some burden of proof to come forward with some form of corroborating evidence. And he just haven't supplied that because Republicans didn't do that. The hearing turned into is Christine. Blazey Ford, a credible witness if she believable witness, and what you'll see is a lot of folks on the right saying, she's not credible. She's not believable because her memory was skewed in other areas, but her contention and I think it's not a completely unfair contention is well. I may not have remembered the actual date of this happening, but I certainly remember the feeling of being pushed down on a bed. Having died jump on top of me, put his hand over a math and I remember his face. That's not. That's not an incredible suggestion as not non-credible. That's that's relatively credible when bad things happen in your life. You remember the specific bad thing that happened in your life. You don't necessarily remember, well, the surrounding circumstances. The problem is there's no way for us to adjudicate whether her memory is faulty or not, because there's no corroborating evidence. Okay. So that's Christine. Blazey I wanted to mention these other allegations to demonstrate that not every allegation necessarily ought to be believed just on the basis of the allegation. So Deborah Martinez of said, in a piece in the New Yorker earlier this week on Sunday, the New Yorker reported that Martinez had alleged that cavenaugh thrust his penis in her face at a frat party at which he was drinking while was a Yale University. But the New Yorker piece is extraordinarily weak according to the publication. She was hesitant to speak publicly because quote, her memories contained gaps because she'd been drinking at the time of the alleged incident, and she was quote unquote reluctant to characterize cabinets role in the alleged incident with certainty. So even she says that she didn't know what happened. This particular accuser only after an is a direct quote from the New Yorker, six days of carefully assessing her memories and consulting with her. Ernie's that you decide to come forward? No, corroborating witnesses have come forward. Then yesterday there's an accusation made by Julie, sweat neck who is woman brought forward by Michael avenue. These lawyer for stormy Daniels and twenty twenty democratic candidate for president. And according to her sworn declaration, she saw cavenaugh get drunk and high school, and then grope girls' against their will, as well as spiking punch with Quayle losing alcohol and participating in a gang rape line, multiple parties. That's her description. Sweat says she went to approximately ten parties at which such events took place. So he's never Ramirez, number tina's, sweat. Nick says she went to ten parties at which such such activities took place. She says she was the victim of such gang rape, but is unclear in her declaration, whether cavenaugh participated avenue refuses to answer simple questions on on her behalf. His not made her available to testify. She says, there are other witnesses, but none of come forward to again an accusation with no corroborating evidence. The New York Times put a kindly quote, none of miss wetness claims could be independently corroborated by the New York Times and her lawyer, Michael, have an ATI declines maker available for an interview. And then late on Wednesday afternoon. Fourth allegation came forward. This is from NBC news reporting that the Senate Judiciary committee was enquiring about another allegation of misconduct. They reported that anonymous woman said that her daughter's friend was physically assaulted by Cavanaugh in Washington DC area bar while he was drunk. She said, when they left the bar under the influence of alcohol, they were all shocked when Cavanaugh shoved her friend up against the wall, very aggressively. And sexually there were at least four witnesses, including my daughter, the daughter is not come forward. The woman has not come forward. The witnesses have come forward. So another uncorroborated in this case, anonymous allegation made against Brad Kavanagh. Now maybe have some of this. Maybe he did none of this. We don't know any of those questions. What is certainly true is that there is not a court of law in the United States civil or criminal that would either convict or punish based on just the allegations alone. There's no way to do that. So is it in a country where there is due process? It seems to me that eight an allegation alone should not be enough to support the destruction of man's life in a man's career. No matter how credible the person telling the story, and this is what Republicans failed to say in the lead up to this urine. Instead, the narrative was put out there that maybe she was lying or maybe she was politically motivated, but that was never the question we live in a system where do process actually matters, and that do process doesn't necessarily apply in the court of public opinion. But if we're going to be intellectually honest about how we actually assess situations, we have to have something beyond a mere allegation. Maybe it's that they're multiple allegations, and all the allegations have similar elements is in the Bill Cosby or Harvey Weinstein cases. Maybe it's that there's corroborating evidence that some of this stuff happened as with ROY Moore, but an allegation alone, it seems to me is really weak sauce. And if that had been the case, nothing in the hearing with Christine blazey changed anything today. Nothing would have changed anything because not only did you not provide any corroborating evidence. What she actually showed is that the only memory she seems to hold clearly is the actual incident itself with cavern everything else. Her memory seems particularly hazy and again, that doesn't answer whether this happened or not, and it doesn't even answer whether she is correctly. Remembering what happened with Kavanagh or not. What it is suggesting is that memory itself is variable and not only that it's just that without any other corroborating evidence which you actually weakened today. Ritchie weakens the possibility of corroborating evidence today. She did not strengthen the possibility of corroborating evidence. Nothing she said today brought additional evidence to the table. It was just her telling her story in her words. So you have to ask yourself what changed between yesterday and today? Last night she put forward her actual statement. Her statement was written. It was very similar to what she had told the newspapers. It's very similar to what she had said in a letter to Dianne Feinstein and Representative in California named Anna issue. None of that changed. The only thing that changed is that we actually put a face to the accusation. If that's the case, then what we really had today was an emotional appeal. 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Any corroborating evidence? Are those allegations enough to finish guys career? That's how Republicans should've played this. They should have said, we don't know whether to believe her or not. We may find her credible, but we can't have a standard of evidence in this country where people are denied a career and a life based on unverified -able and unverified allegations from vague time in the past where there should be public witnesses in there are none. That's what Republicans should have been arguing. Instead, they allowed Democrats to turn this into itchy, believable it, or she not. And the answer is yes, she's believable. There's nothing about her that suggests that she's not believable. Listen to her tell her story. So here is Ford. She, she told her story. And what you'll see is that Republicans had appointed a woman named Mitchell to who's a prosecutor to question her and. This woman basically went after the fact that blazey Ford's memory has lots of holes in different places, but blazey four basically defeats all of those attempts with a simple statement which has I may not remember everything else in my life, but I remember that time the guy jumped on top of me, put his hand on my mouth and tried to rape me, right? That's that's all. She had to say it takes everything off the table. If Republicans had said before that, listen, it tells like what happened to you is awful, but we have a guy over here is it you provide to know of their evidence and then they'd asked her, okay, well, you can't provide any other evidence. Can you help us? Can you help us establish another chain of evidence? If Republicans had done that, then maybe this turns into something else instead, what it turned into is were supposed to doubt her because of various questions about her, her history of flying or we're supposed to doubt her because she has not been completely forthcoming about her polygraph or stuff like that. They're trying to kind of suggest that she is not inherently believable. Again, it's hard to claim that an attempted rape account is false because she fibs about. Her dislike for flying. If in fact she felt about her dislike for we'll get into all of that in just a second here is what Ford talked about today and here today. Not because I want to be am terrified. I'm here because I believe it is my civic duty to tell you what happened to me while Brett cabin and I were in high school. Okay. So she obviously is pretty collected here, and then she goes on to say that she believed that Cavanaugh was going to rape her. I was pushed onto the bed and Brett got on top of me. He began running his hands over my body and grinding into me. I yelled hoping that someone downstairs might hear me and I tried to get away from him. But this week was heavy. Groped me and tried to take off my clothes. He had a hard time because he was very any braided and because I was wearing a one piece bathing suit underneath my clothing. I believe he was going to rape me locate. So obviously, this is very effecting testimony. There's no not to watch this and feel enormous sympathy for the person who's telling the story. Does it give you any corroborating detail? No. Right. And that's why how you frame the question matters in awful lot and this is why when when Ford actually got to being asked, okay, could you have mistaken, Brookhaven, offer somebody else? And she answered it was very bad for public here. The two clips that really made the most really most hash of cabinet, here's clip twenty. This is Ford talking about how she fully remembers all of this happening. How are you so sure that it was. He. The same way that I'm sure that I'm talking to you right now inside just basic memory functions and. Also just the level of norepinephrine and epinephrine in the brain that sort of, as you know, encodes that neural transmitter encodes memories into the hippocampus. And so the trauma related experience than is kind of locked there, whereas other details kind of drift. So what you are telling us is this could not be a case of mistaken identity. Absolutely. Not. I can't guarantee that there were a few other people there, but they are not in in my purview of my memory. Would it be fair to say there were leased for others? Yes. Okay. Okay. So there's where she sort of changed her story. But again, it doesn't matter because the Republicans had not established what exactly they were trying to do there, and this was part of the problem with the format. So you see Boise Ford to listen. It's imprinted on my memory that somebody tried to rape me, and then she says, all the other details were hazy. And then when Republicans, the woman questioning is Rachel Mitchell. Who's this Republicans special counsel when she pushes back and she. Says, okay. Well, what about the fact that you've now changed your story multiple times on how many people were at the party boys before it says, right. I don't remember that stuff so well, because that's not what I was being raped. Right? So she should preempted the attack by essentially saying, this is the only thing that I can remember really well, and this is this is the problem. And this was underscored by the next thing she said where she was asked Pacific -ly about what she remembers the most and this this is the quote that's going to be played a thousand times tonight on on cable news. Indelible in the hippocampus is the laughter the LA, the laughter between the two and they're having fun. At my expense. Younger, the object of the laughter I was, you know, underneath one of them while the two left to two friends having a really good time with one another. So this opened a bunch of questions for Republicans, none of which they were willing to take right. They could have called Mark judge to rebut. That's the guy who she claims is in the room with cavenaugh. He's already said under oath that he was not there for any of this, and he doesn't know what any of this was, but it would have been worthwhile to question him. But here's the point. What Republicans did with this hearing was a huge mistake because they did is they basically brought in a special counsel to talk to this this accuser, and then they split it up. They had her ask a question for five minutes, and then they let Democrats grandstand for five minutes. And so there was never any line of continuity trying to establish what it was they were trying to establish. What should have happened is you've got Mitchell out there. Listen, whether we believe your story or not, and you seem like a credible. Very nice person who suffered an awful trauma. We need to try and find some detail. We can corroborate here so that we can move forward with. The seriousness of the allegations. And so now to ask you a series of questions that are designed to elicit just that sort of corroboration. And then at the end, you say, okay, well, if we couldn't find corroboration, we can't find corroboration. Instead Republicans started asking questions that went to flaws in her memory, but that don't undermine her central case. Meanwhile, Democrats ask questions like, how did it feel when a guy was Frank Arabia? Who do you think is going to win that PR battle? Because that's what this has become right? This PR battle. This is not a question as to the truth or falsity of the allegations. Unfortunately, Democrats are not interested in that Republicans don't seem particularly interested in that. 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Republicans was bad because if they had been trying to establish that there were no corroborating details. And if they'd been trying also to stab which the Democrats manipulated the process, there were ways to do that is the truth is there are holes in Ford's testimony. She was asked specifically, for example, what year did this take place? Because earlier should said it took place some time when I was in high school, then she'd narrowed it down to the specific summer, and she never really gave an excuses to why that happened. She was specifically asked about whether she gave her psychiatrists records to the Washington Post, for example, because the first account that she had told of this story to someone not her husband was to her psychiatrist, this sort of locked into a time line back in two thousand twelve. She's Klay medical privilege on those on those records. She has not handed them over to the the actual Republicans on the Senate Judiciary committee, which would kind of be important because you'd wanna see if there discrepancies in her account of the vents. She hasn't handed those over, but she did hand them to the Washington Post. How do we know she handed them to the Washington Post? We know she handed them to the washing. Post because it said so in the Washington Post story, the Washington Post story explicitly said that you give psychiatrists records to the Washington Post. But when she was asked about it, suddenly she didn't remember which does raise questions about the capacity of memory. For example, a full or partial set of those marriage therapy records to the Washington Post. I don't remember remember summarizing for her what they said. So I'm not. I'm not quite sure if I actually gave her the record. Okay. So obviously she did give them the record issue, miss remembering, you don't know right. Speaking of miss remembering, we were told last week that Christine blazey. Ford could not show up on Monday for a hearing because Christine blazey Ford had a fear of flying. This was a serious question because in the past week, there've been a bunch of nut more unverified allegations that have come forward that seem time by Democrats. I mean it just a giant coincidence that all these allegations come forward from Monday through Thursday, then they all start breaking in the news this week mobilizing Ford's original claim, or at least the climate for lawyers is that you couldn't shop on Monday because number one shouldn't wanna be questioned on that side of the country. And number two, she had a fear of flying. Well, it turns out that her fear of flying has not prohibited her prohibited her. I think she has a fear of flying, but it hasn't stopped her from flying in what she considers important circumstances circle. Stances ranging from surf trips to visiting her family on the east coast every year to coming in August to Maryland to, I think to Delaware to to take a polygraph test. So in other words, she flies off lot and yet somehow she couldn't fly, but then she did fly to get to this hearing. She didn't take a car across the country she flew across the country. Well, that raises questions about how Democrats have manipulated the time line here in the person who's been on the most disservice by the Democrats is blazey Ford. She's been under tremendous service because let's say that she's telling the absolute one hundred percent truth. It looks manipulative, no matter how this was played because Democrats were in fact, manipulating the process. Dianne Feinstein did not come forward with the allegations for eight weeks and Feinstein, not release it to the FBI Dianne Feinstein. Do not question Kavanagh about it, either public or in private. The Democrats turned down a private hearing four Ford, right? The the Republicans said, you wanna do this behind closed doors. Let's do it there. Note there. Publican said, what if we send our representatives to you and question you out west? Nope. Instead they said she has to come east, but she can't fly. But then she turned out to fly Rachel Mitchell. Points this out now is certainly what I was hoping was to avoid having to get on an airplane, but I've actually was able to get up the gumption with the help of some friends and got on the plane when you were here in the mid mid Atlantic area back in August of in July August, how did you get here also by airplane. I come here once a year during the summer to visit my family. In fact, you fly fairly frequently for your hobbies and your you've had to fly for your work. Is that true? Correct. Unfortunately, so folks for mocking this like, oh, well, who cares about her flight? Well, it goes to the democratic manipulation of the process because again, we were told the Democrats just wanted to get down to facts, but it turns out they were delaying the time line for obviously, political reasons, all of which still does not go to the key point of this case. And I get back to the key point of this case over and over again, because I think it really is important not just for this nomination which is explain, I think, is going to happen within Justice. Second, but it's also important because of what's going to happen with future nominations, is it enough to have a credible allegation of something bad happening uncorroborated by affect off factor, there's no corroborating factor? None none it is. It's not just me saying this by the way Jake tapper even made this point on CNN last night that there's no real corroborating evidence for any of this because it turns out there's no corroborating evidence for any of this by not sending. The standard Republicans really did. Cavanaugh disservice ended themselves a serious disservice Democrats are saying the cavenaugh obviously should withdraw this in and of itself is sort of self defeating. I'm not sure why they think that he should like they're saying he should withdraw. Why not just call for there to be a vote. Why don't wanna you put Republicans on the record. It seems to me that if Democrats really wanted to put Republicans feet to the fire, they would say, no, he shouldn't withdraw. Make Republicans say whether they believe it or not. That'd be the smart political move. I don't think President Trump is actually going to pull the nomination the. The reason I don't think Trump is going to pull the nomination is because President Trump tends to believe that accusations by women are very often false. He feels he's been victimized by such accusations. In some cases, he certainly has not been victimized by some accusations, President Trump that oppressor yesterday. And here's what he had to say about the situation. This of course was before the hearing, but I've had a lot of full charges made against me really full charges. I know friends that have had full charges. People want fame, they want money, they want whatever. So when I see it, I, I've you it differently than somebody sitting home watching television where they say, oh, judge Cavanaugh this or that. So when you say, does it affect me in terms of my thinking with respect to judge Cavanaugh? Absolutely, because I've had it many times, okay. The reason this giant fail is because this is president from falling directly into the trap. The Democrats have set for him, which is President Trump saying. I've been accused falsely a lot of times. Therefore cavenaugh has been accused falsely a lot of times except that there are a lot of Alam. Nations of President Trump engaging in really bad behavior with women. Sexually abusive behavior with women and President Trump was caught on tape, lest we forget saying he grabs women by the genitals, not the same thing as Brad Kavanagh, who maintains his complete innocence in all of this. But this does set the mindset for the president to not believe any of this doesn't believe it about himself. And he also like I think that if you give President Trump lie detector test a polygraph, really only detects stress. It really detects whether you think you are lying. That doesn't detect whether you are telling the truth, but it's whether you might think you're lying in supposedly raises stress levels, not particularly scientific. If you hooked President Trump to a lie detector to to a polygraph machine. My guess is that everything President Trump says would always pass the why detector tests because he actually believes all the stuff that he says, the problem is that his now set it up. Is Ford lying? Or is she not? Well, what this means is I don't think that Trump polls Kavanagh's nomination. I think Trump leaves Kavanagh's nomination. No matter what happens and Cavanaugh. I can't imagine it's going to be able to about the testimony, right? No matter. How much sympathy he showed. You can't rebut the testimony of a woman who claims that you were lying on top of her trying to Raipur pretty difficult to rebut that. I don't think Trump was the nomination. I think instead what happens is probably that Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Susan Collins of Maine, probably vote against Kavanagh's nomination that kills the nomination Trump blames squish Republicans for finishing Cavanaugh his basis, happy because he didn't pull the nomination and he fights. And by the way, I don't think he should pull the nomination because again, I think there should be a standard of corroborative evidence that is presented if we're going to start pulling nominations, but I don't think Trump was the nomination. I think he lets this thing go down and flaming defeat. I think he nominating me Conybeare and then Democrats get what they want, which is a referendum in November on whether Republicans should control the next surpreme court seat. If Republicans do not have majority in November of the Senate, there will be eight people on the supreme court from here until twenty twenty one Democrats are not going to allow President Trump to fill the seat. That's what this has always been about. This is always for Democrats about now for Ford. For Democrats. This is always been about political manipulation for the. It's been about political manipulation as well. There too many members of the press who have treated allegations as verified facts there, too many members of the press who've treated evidence free allegations as absolutely justified. We're gonna get to all of that in just a second. But first, let's talk about your comfort with your underwear. 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