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Easter Special: Mysteries of the Vatican Pt. 2

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Easter Special: Mysteries of the Vatican Pt. 2

"This episode contains discussions of violence and torture which some listeners may find. Upsetting extreme caution is advised for listeners under thirteen in two fifty eight. C e a deacon known only as lorenzo was working in a church bureau in rome when he was suddenly interrupted by banging on the door when he opened it he saw a roman prefect flanked by soldiers the official held an edict from the emperor that gave them permission to search the bureau. Lorenzo knew that if he refused he'd likely be beaten and killed on the spot so he had no choice but to step aside he watched as the soldiers up ended desks and shelves they rifle through baskets of clothing and even dumped out sacks of donated grain for the poor then the prefect turn to lorenzo and demanded to know where he was hiding certain objects. Lorenzo responded politely that he didn't know what the man was talking about. The prefect stared at lorenzo with hate in his eyes. He realized there was one way to get the deacon to talk. Lorenzo was dragged to a nearby prison in chain to an iron structure of it looked like a bed frame underneath. It were red hot coals the gridiron as lorenzo skin begin to crackle and roast you his teeth and stifled screams of agony. But still he refused to talk. This was a secret he would die to protect. That secret was a collection of the catholic churches most important records teachings and treasures. It would become known by an ominous name. The vatican secret archives. Welcome to conspiracy theories as spotify original from podcast every monday and wednesday. We dig into the complicated stories behind the world's most controversial events in search. For the truth. Carter roy and i'm ali brandenburg and neither of us are conspiracy theorists. We are open minded skeptical and curious. Don't get us wrong sometimes. The official version is the truth. But sometimes it's not normally we take things story by story conspiracy by conspiracy but we'll be doing something a little differently for the next few episodes. We're exploring the secrets of the vatican one of the oldest and most influential organizations in the world last time we chronicle the catholic churches rise to power which was both bloody and fraught with controversy. Today we're exploring one of the most guarded sections of the vatican. The secret archives this collection of documents and precious items has existed since the earliest days of the church and is said to hold some of the most mind-bending information ever produced next time. We'll do a deep dive into one of the most controversial enigmas 's in the archives. The three secrets of fatima coming up the deadly origins of the vatican secret archives this episode is brought to you by carmax at carmax. The best way to buy a car is your way. Choose from over. 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This is in addition to the vatican library which houses over one thousand ancient latin and greek manuscripts close to nine thousand of the earliest printed books and over one and a half million total volumes of material. The secret archives hold a transcript of leo's trial king henry. The eight's infamous request for an annulment a letter from mary. Queen of scots asking the pope to help save her life and even notes from michelangelo requesting payment for his work. But the library and archives aren't just home to historical texts. They also contain pieces of art coins medals and other valuable objects. The archives index alone is almost thirty five thousand volumes. It said that there are so many items. The vatican staff still hasn't fully processed or translated everything in them. Naturally this has led some to believe it may hold secrets that the church isn't even aware of but the backlog is understandable. The archives weren't officially created until sixteen twelve but the church has been collecting material for over two thousand years. Since the days of the first followers of jesus christ that it can scholars believe the first church archives may have been simple fishermen's baskets in the poorer sections of rome they likely contained records of baptisms lists of followers and more importantly gospels and recollections of jesus's life documents that eventually became the new testament even though the baskets weren't glamorous. They were effective at hiding information from the romans. This was critical for early christians who were frequent targets of persecution. No one knew this better than the first pope. Saint peter according to christian tradition around the year sixty four ce peter was arrested by emperor nero and crucified. His crime unifying the early christians across the roman empire. After saint peter's death. His letters became some of the most important items in the library. The early christians kept lists of mortars like peter to remind them the sacrifices made for their religion in the early days the archives were split up and hidden around rome so that even if one location was found by the romans the rest would still be safe. They were kept in catacombs fishing boats merchant shops and homes but as the archives continue to expand keeping track of them all became difficult so sometime around the third century ce the church decided to consolidate them into a single location. That would come to be called the holy screen. Eum combining the archives may have seemed like a risk at the time however by then emperor nero was long dead into period of prevailed during these periods of relative peace. The archives expanded quickly not just in size but in material around the year. Two twenty ce cope callixte as is thought to have begun. Adding real estate deeds to the collection as wealthier followers. Joined the church little by little. It's property holdings grew which may have been one reason for the sacrifice of our deacon lorenzo known in english as saint lawrence on the red hot gridiron in two fifty eight c. He knew the danger of giving the records to the emperor. Not only would. The romans get a roster of christians. They would also discover their expanding. Wealth tragically for lorenzo. That sacrifice came just sixty years before the church and the archives. Were finally safe. As we learned last week by three thirteen ce emperor constantine had converted to christianity and legalized the religion across the roman empire. From that moment on worshipers were no longer endanger. the church's vaults of information. We're still highly guarded. Even though constantine was one of the faithful church leaders had witnessed the fickleness of the empire in the past. They knew their luck could change with the next ruler. In the meantime the church was determined to leverage their imperial support. They finally had the financial backing to create a true headquarters and repository of all their documents. So around the same time that constantine built saint peter's basilica he also donated a giant building called the lateran palace. The ornate pillared structure became home to the church's administration as well as the archives now with a permanent home the collection of secret information multiplied over the next centuries during this period. The church acquired hundreds of manuscripts transcripts from the knights templar trials and of course the earliest copies of the bible. That in the thirteen hundred's the vast secret archives were in jeopardy was more but this time it wasn't from roman imperial edicts. It was from within the church in thirteen. O five a series of french cardinals were elected to the papacy. Instead of ruling from rome they decided to move church headquarters six hundred miles west to avenue. France this may not sound like a tragedy but for anyone who has moved boxes of books files and works of art. You know it can be devastatingly. Difficult during the transition to avenue on many of the archives were lost at sea or damaged by whether and insects and then in thirteen seventy seven. The reign of french popes ended the headquarters moved back to rome. And so did the archives this man even more items were lost or destroyed thankfully though there were still thousands of volumes left those surviving documents became the seed from which these secret archives sprouted in fourteen. Fifty one pope nicholas. The fifth established the vatican library which housed his personal collection of books in many ordinary church documents. But in sixteen. Twelve pope paul. The fifth created a second repository for most confidential items in the collection. He dubbed it the vatican secret archives. That's right the secret. Archives isn't a cheeky nickname that the public concocted. It was the official title and was a name like that. The vatican seem to be tempting fate for the next two hundred years. The archives remained hidden from the public and they continued to grow and expand for the most part. They gathered church related documents. There were papal correspondence real estate deeds and transcripts of trials against accused heretics like galileo. When popes died the church absorbed their private libraries books in the mentos and of course it became a depot for artwork and valuables harvested from centuries of crusades. Wars and pillaging of course with such a grand expansion. It was only natural for word to spread about the archives. One could only keep it a secret for so long and so throughout the seventeen hundreds and eighteen hundreds curious worshippers priests and scholars clamored for permission to peek inside. Finally in eighteen eighty one. Pope leo the thirteenth bowed to pressure and grant them access that access came with stipulations. Generally only catholic theologians or respected clerics were allowed to apply to enter applicants. Were then to make sure they didn't have any hidden agendas for the lucky few who were approved. Many areas were off limits. Even including records from the twentieth century one hotly desired batch of documents was the churches records after nineteen thirty nine. That date may have been because as we learned. Last time critics believed the vatican was secretly involved with nazi germany during world war. Two some were convinced that the archives contain unsettling communications between pope pious. The twelfth and berlin in twenty twenty access to those records was finally granted unfortunately no bomb shells have been released yet. Perhaps it's too soon to tell but of interest in the archives isn't only about the vatican's possible connection to hitler. It goes deeper than that. Some believe that the archive has information about the various sex abuse. Scandals and controversies that have plagued the church in the modern day and since only a handful of people have had access to those miles of shelves. Naturally rumors and conspiracy theories have run rampant. So then what is. The vatican concealing some contend that the archives contain more than just documents and priceless artwork. Some claim that the church is hiding a secret stash of pornography coming up. We'll search the archives for carnal pleasures. This episode is brought to you by carmax at carmax. The best way to buy a car is your way whether you're an online shopper. Or an in person. Kind of person carmax. Has you covered. Choose from over. Fifty thousand carmax certified vehicles at carmax dot com check out three sixty degree use research and compare with ratings and reviews schedule a trade and appraisal and apply for financing all from the comfort of home. And when you found the right car for you you can buy online or in store with curbside pickup and home delivery in select markets. Carmax the way it should be get all the details and start the search for your next car today at carmax dot com now back to the story. The vatican secret archives contains millions of pages of documents drawings and images gathered over the centuries however some of theorize that they also contain a more shocking collection. The world's biggest collection of pornography that's right conspiracy theorists contend that the vatican has an extensive vault of photographs magazines and videos of carnal pleasures. Some say it's for research some believe it was an attempt to rid the world of porn by purchasing every copy other more audacious theories say it's for the private enjoyment of a select group of priests. No one knows for sure where. This rumor arose. But it's been around for over a century and it has some high level backers to denmark's museum. Erotica housed one of the world's most notable displays of x. rated material until two thousand nine but the museum apparently told visitors that their collection wasn't the largest modest of them. according to the museum staff. The vatican actually takes. The prize is having the biggest collection to be fair. No one knows for sure if the rumors about the vatican are true but it isn't outside the realm of possibility after all the church had been collecting sexually explicit material for centuries in fifteen nineteen pope leo the tenth commission renowned renaissance artist rafael to paint the vatican apartments with frescoes of significant moments in church. History sadly both the pope and rafael died before the rooms were completed but in the years that followed other artists continued the project. One of raphael's pupils giulio romano took up the task. But around fifteen twenty. Three romano apparently became outraged that he wasn't being paid on time as payback romano. Allegedly painted a series of explicit scenes of people put themselves in the pope's apartment and that stating lightly these sixteen panel showed men and women in graphic sexual positions like an italian version of the kama sutra became known as the sixteen pleasures but before the pope could paint over them. Another artist morgan. Antonio raymond e surreptitiously copied the explicit paintings then he printed them into pamphlets and began distributing them overnight. The sixteen pleasures became an underground sensation around rome. Naturally it didn't take long before the vatican learned of raymond. Ease secret printing business and the church needed to put an end to it asap within days. Raymond e was thrown in jail and for the next century. The vatican hunted down bought or confiscated. Every copy of the pictures they could find. The vatican did such a good job. There is supposedly only one public copy left. That copy is reported to be a sixteenth century. Reproductions of the originals. It's on display at the british museum. In london in a special frame that obscures most of its tilling tidbits whether or not hundreds or perhaps thousands of copies of the sixteen pleasures exist in the secret. Archives is unknown but if the vatican spent so much time and energy hunting down those pictures it is plausible that they confiscated other pornography as well and lock them in the archive. however the existence of the vatican's pornography collection is refuted by father leonard boyle boyle was a chief librarian for the vatican library in the nineteen eighties and nineties. Father boyle claim to have looked for the rumored collection. He recalled when i first came to the vatican. I asked someone who had been around longer than anybody else about whether this famous pornography actually existed. He said there was no such thing. And i certainly haven't come across it You shouldn't take father boyle's testimony at face value in nineteen ninety-seven. He was dismissed from his post. The library for illegally selling the rights to images in the archive. The vatican refused to comment on the details of the images as well as boils departure. A church spokesperson cryptically remarked. Everyone has to leave sometime. Sadly two years later died at the age of seventy five as a result. We may never know if he found hidden copies of the sixteen pleasures. But in the end it might not matter whether or not the vatican has a vast collection of pornography. Some believe this rumor was a red herring to distract the public from. What's actually hidden in the archives. Whatever secrets the archives contain. They were explosive enough. That early church leaders were willing to die for them so dangerous that even today some of the records are still hidden from view some theorists contend that the top secret documents include the family birth records of the most pivotal person in the church. Jesus christ as we mentioned the earliest documents in the archives included lists of church followers and perhaps most importantly birth and baptismal records. If the romans got their hands on these papers it would give them a hit list of who to harass arrest in potentially kill and even more dangerous. Those documents might include the birth records of church leaders or even jesus himself and some speculate that there are documents that could prove. The son of god had a family beyond mary and joseph. The bible doesn't shy away from the fact that jesus may have had siblings. The gospel of matthew chapter thirteen verse. Fifty five reads is not this. The carpenter's son is not his mother called mary and his brethren james and joseph and simon and shoot this some biblical scholars believe that these brothers were joseph sons from a previous marriage so these young men may not have been full relatives of jesus but jesus may have had surviving blood relatives through his mother mary. Even though it wasn't mentioned specifically in the bible. It's likely that mary hetero own siblings. Some biblical like prominent american bishop fulton j. Sheen believe that the new testament even contained covert hints that. Mary had brothers or sisters. One famous example is the story of jesus and mary attending a wedding in the city of qena at some point during the festivities. The wine ran out in. Mary was called upon to fix the problem. She then turns to jesus and asks for his help. At which point. He performed his first miracle turning water into wine. Bishop fulton pointed out that. Mary didn't seem to be an ordinary wedding guest. She acted as the hostess. So it could be inferred that the bride or groom were part of mary's family. Perhaps one of them was jesus aunt uncle or cousin. If that's true. Jesus would likely have blood relatives whose offspring may still exist today and if that were true the vatican would likely seek to keep that information private for two reasons. I if christ did have a family and descendants. It opened them up to danger. Members of prominent families are easy targets for high profile kidnappings whether for extortion or revenge and the distant family to the supposed son of god would be prime pickings second and more importantly if jesus had direct descendants of his own it could ruin the image of his divinity and power it would call into question the dogmatic belief that the son of god was a celebrate. Bridegroom of the church. Some theorists have proposed that jesus may have had a child with. Mary magdalene one of his most dedicated followers. This claim was popularized in one thousand nine hundred eighty to buy a book entitled holy blood. Holy grail two decades later. The theory became part of a pop. Culture phenomenon with debut of dan brown's famous novel. The davinci code this theory also circles back to the marriage qena. Some scholars think the wedding wasn't for one of mary. Siblings rather it was for her son. Jesus himself why else would marry. Act as a hostess for the party. Why would jesus be so willing to perform his first miracle. Just to change water into wine in obvious. Explanation is that it was his wedding. This theory also assumes that jesus had a child as well and if that were the case church would be motivated to hide that knowledge to preserve the idea of jesus divinity and celibacy but whether or not those documents still exist may be a moot point. There's a more extreme theory that the archives contain a device that can prove the existence of jesus's family beyond a shadow of a doubt. It isn't a piece of paper or even a family tree. It's a time travel device in the nineteen fifties. A team of italian scientists led by the nobel prize winning physicist enrico fermi supposedly invented a machine could do just that they called it. The krono visor. Though fair me never commented on the clandestine project. One person came forward. Who claimed to be part of his team. He was a benedictine. Priest named pellegrino air. Nettie in maine nineteen seventy-two air. Nettie spilled the beans for an italian magazine. He insisted that the team hadn't built a traditional time machine sort. That's commonly depicted in films or scifi books. It didn't transport them into the past instead. It was a highly sensitive quantum instrument that could view any moment in history. The device acted like a video camera allowing historic events to be displayed on a monitor. With the help of the krono visor air nettie claimed to have personally witnessed critical moments in history including the crucifixion of jesus air nettie even supposedly took a snapshot of jesus in his last moments air. Netease allegations caused a stir across the globe but interestingly the vatican remained tight lipped about it their reticence made more and more people suspect the church might actually have the crow visor under lock and key skeptics point out though that if the archives possessed an instrument that could prove the existence of jesus why wouldn't they unveil it to the world why not share the images that were taken. Of course you could argue that. The krona visor is more valuable if it stays hidden. If the vatican revealed proof of jesus's existence in the tool they used to view it everyone would scramble to build a similar instruments or steal it. If that technology fell into the wrong hands it could shed light on unflattering moments in the church's history as rumored executions murders and ties to nazi germany. It makes sense. The vatican would want to keep those skeletons inside the closet but some say that the vatican has kept the krona visor locked in the archives not because of their fear of the past but because of the instruments ability to peer into the future many believe the church is using it for something much more alarming predicting the end of the world coming up the secret archives and the apocalypse this episode is brought to you by click up. You don't need to exist on four hours of sleep to be considered productive. You can get more done in less time by using click up the all in one productivity in project management platform that simplifies your tasks. This is the future of work manage projects people resources roadmaps and goals all on one app built for teams of all sizes and industries. 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There's so much to think about the roundup brand. Think about what you could think about. When you're not thinking about leads always read and follow pesticide. Label directions not registered for sale or use in new york now back to the story. Since the early days of christianity many followers have been obsessed with the apocalypse. Jesus himself preached about judgement day and in the first few decades after his death. Many christians for told that the world would be consumed by a great conflagration. Their infatuation with flames became so commonplace. That the romans are said to have considered early christians. A fire. colt. Colt is a strong word but their interest in it was undeniable. Even the final book of the bible. The book of revelation dedicates plenty of space to fire and brimstone. One of the most iconic lines is chapter eight verse seven. The first angel blue his trumpet and there followed hail and fire mixed with blood and these were thrown upon the earth and a third of the earth was burned up and a third of the trees were burned up and all green grass was burned but even if christians were confident that the fires of the apocalypse were coming. They didn't know. When this uncertainty was echoed in the gospel of matthew chapter. Twenty four verse. Thirty six which reads concerning that day and our no one knows not even the angels of heaven nor the son but the father only without an exact day for judgment day. Many documents in the archives likely focused on predictions for win event would happen and in sixty four ce. An event occurred that. Made many christians believe those premonitions were coming true on july nineteenth. A fire broke out in rome. Near circus maximus the elaborate. She racing stadium the hot dry. Summer had transformed the city into a tinderbox so flames spread quickly through shops homes and warehouses. The fire raged for six straight days. And when it was brought under control another one started. This one lasted three days. As the smoke cleared. Two thirds of rome was destroyed. countless people. were dead there. Were conflicting accounts of how the fire started some believed emperor. Nero intentionally set it so that he could rebuild the city with gardens for his sexual pleasure. The roman historian tacitus described. Niro watching rome burn while playing his fiddle. Meanwhile others including nero blamed the fire on the new religious group obsessed with fire in judgment day. The christians some of the early christians appear to have celebrated the fires as a of jesus is promise they assumed it was the end of the world and that they would soon be rewarded with heaven. Unfortunately it wasn't the judgment day they were hoping for instead. Emperor nero took on the role of judge and he cruelly persecuted christians. Many were arrested and sentenced to death. Some were fed to lions others. Were lit on fire. There were accounts that niro us. Some burning christians as torches in his private gardens. Even though the great fire of rome was not the apocalypse they had hoped for early. Christians continue to prepare for the end and one way they would have done. This was by studying their holy texts and scriptures tax that were possibly kept hidden in the secret lives. And as centuries passed it's possible that the clergy consulted these locked away documents for apocalyptic warnings in signs one. Such sign happened in the year. Ten nine c. A sixteenth century account claims that the sun went dark and the moon turned an eerie shade of crimson across the holy roman empire. This event coincided with a massive earthquake a giant burning object falling from the sky and a famine on. Fortunately this wasn't the cataclysmic event. They were waiting for the sun. Lit up again in the world kept turning but then two hundred years later something happened. That many in the church believed was a new sign of the apocalypse. The spread of islam as muslim caliphates expanded their power from the arabian peninsula into the holy land. The vatican launched a series of wars to take those territories back and while the christians briefly reclaim the holy land. The muslims took it back by the early twelve hundred. Hits pope innocent. The third saw this defeat as a sign and likely after consulting with tax in the secret archives. He concluded that it was evidence of the coming apocalypse. The pope proceeded to write to bishops and allies across europe. warning them of impending doom in twelve thirteen. He wrote a son of perdition has arisen the false prophet muhammad we nevertheless put our trust in the lord who has already given us a sign that is to come at the end of this beast is approaching whose number according to the revelation of saint john. We'll end in six hundred sixty six years of which already nearly six hundred have passed. Whatever math the pope was using meant that the world would end in twelve eighty four and until that day finally came. He argued that the christians had to battle the muslims. Of course when twelve eighty four finally arrived. The world did not end proving. That islam isn't a harbinger of the end days. But despite the failed prediction discussion of the end times continued. And of course that meant more material for the secret archives reportedly among the gathered text where firsthand accounts of plagues famines and fires across the kingdom. All of which were interpreted as pre apocalyptic signs but there were other potentially more important indications of judgment day miraculous visions on september nineteenth eighteen. Forty six two children race home from tending their cows in the french alps when they arrived informed their parents that they had come across a beautiful woman crying in the mountains. The kids described the mysterious lady as being clothed in a white robe gold apron and headdress with a crucifix around her neck. The children went on to claim that the woman reprimanded the villagers for cursing and not going to church. She ominously warned of a great famine whether the children believed they had spoken with the virgin mary or if their parents made that assumption after the fact we don't know but regardless news of the events spread through rural france and eventually made it to rome. The church sent investigators to determine if it was true after interviewing the children. The church concluded that it was a miracle they called the vision. Our lady of loss alette. But that wasn't the end of the miracle five years later. The children admitted that what they told the. Investigators wasn't the whole truth. It turned out. Mary had apparently trusted each of the children with a unique secret this time. The kids sent mary's messages directly to the pope when he read their letters. He announced that it was good news. But he didn't elaborate. The secretive press release from the vatican 'cause skeptics to believe that perhaps the messages weren't happy tidings. Perhaps it was a warning the apocalypse such theories were only intensified when nineteen ninety nine one priest released. What he claimed were the hidden messages from the archives. According to these letters francis corruption would lead to dire consequences such as famine and eventually there would be a crisis within the church all of which would happen prior to the year two thousand however the authenticity of these letters has been disputed. It was widely known that one of the children maximum had a reputation for fanciful stories. Perhaps with the church released was just that a fanciful story or perhaps the vatican has the real secret and perhaps it remains locked away in the vatican secret archives for centuries. The vatican has remained tight-lipped on what's inside the archives which they renamed folic rather than secret in two thousand nineteen to some degree. Their reticence is understandable. The archives are so large even church doesn't know everything that's contained in its labyrinth of volts and bookshelves. Whatever mysteries are inside the vaults. The church has guarded them with their lives in some cases quite literally even to this day there are secrets and revelations that the church is actively suppressing but every so often the vatican succumbs to public pressure and reveals the truth about controversial mystery. Such was the case in the summer of two thousand when the vatican announced that it was going to divulge an enigma that had puzzled conspiracy theorists for over eighty years. The mystery involved three portuguese children who visited by an apparition in nineteen seventeen. Much like what happened in the french alps seventy years earlier the apparition gave the children. Prophetic visions. these predictions became known around the world. As the three secrets of fatima. Thanks for tuning in to conspiracy theories for more information on the secret archives amongst the many sources we used. We found the secret archives of the vatican by maria. Luisa ambrosini and. Mary willis helpful to our research. We'll be back next time with our third episode on the vatican deep dive into the three secrets of fatima. You can find all episodes of conspiracy theories and all other spotify originally from podcast for free on spotify until then remember. The truth isn't always the best story and the official story isn't always the truth. Conspiracy theories is a spotify original from podcast. It is executive produced by max cutler. Sound design by trent williamson with production assistance by ron shapiro. Corley madden and travis clark. This episode of conspiracy theories was by adam to silva with writing assistance by kate. Gallagher in joe gara- fact checking by on your barely an research by bradley klein. Conspiracy theories stars molly. Brandenburg and carter roy.

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Black Canadians reflect on this weeks unrest

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Black Canadians reflect on this weeks unrest

"I'm Keith Macarthur. Unlocking Bryson's brain is a podcast about my son I am. The rare disease that keeps him from walking or talking Bryson's perfect. His life is really hard, and our families search for a cure. Oh my Gosh! Maybe science is ready for this. It's part memoir part medical mystery. We can do just about anything modifying DNA Heart in my throat cure his controversial unlocking braces brain. Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. This is a CBC podcast. Hi. Everyone I'm Elaine Chao one of the producers on the show. It's been an unprecedented and exhausting week in the news. For Ten nights in a row, cities, all over the US have been home to demonstrations against police, brutality and racial injustice. Well as Here in Canada, WE'VE SEEN ANTI BLACK RACISM PROTESTS IN TORONTO. Vancouver, Calgary Montreal Halifax. There are widespread calls on social media about the need to listen to black voices and to learn about systemic racism. There's also a lot of hurt and frustration. So, today we're going to hear five black Canadians reflect on that, and what they hope might come out of this moment. And of course there were stories are just a few of many in this country. This is front burner. When George Floyd died in Minneapolis last week at the hands of police and footage of that incident spread worldwide Melissa callixte had to really engage from the news. That's not the norm for her Melissa's really active in her community. Montreal concerns around racial profiling by police have only grown in recent years cast. A new independent report has been released looking at the Montreal Polices Street checks of racialist people found that indigenous and black people were four to five times more likely to be stopped by police than white people. It also found. She's been fighting anti-black racism in the city for years fighting racism was. It's something I would say. became more of a priority for me. in my early twenties. Especially where Trayvon I think trio was really what triggered it, which is pretty common in my generation. It's something that basically shadowed. Twenties and I just turned thirty not too long ago in May and it's Kinda. Sad because I'm like okay, so am I gonNA spend the next decade fighting this know having the same fight the conversations and I have a feeling that will be the case, the fear of having the same fight, the same conversations over and over again was a big part of what made Melissa want to ignore the news for at least a little bit. I think it was It was Sunday that finally spoke to my younger brother and I admitted to him. That I've been doing what we call the emotional avoidance. It was the first time that I admitted to him. That Tamir rice face. And I'M GONNA. Try not to cry at this point Tamir Rice is face reminds me of my brother. Guy. Always say like. Everybody. The Guy was a twelve year old Tamir Rice. The police dispatcher apparently didn't Rela- the part that the gun could be fake. Soon. A squad car pulls up and within two seconds officer Timothy Lohman guns down the boy, three commands were, and when I first learned of Tamir Rice I was in school. and. Had to if as if like. My brain. New something that my heart didn't. So I had to logically remind myself that it couldn't be my brother. because I was like. No, we're in Canada. This happened in Ohio There's no way that he could have been in the park. There's no way he could have been playing with a toy gun. Because at that point, my brother. was in his later teenagers so I had to like. Had to process it logically to like calm. My heart down because I just looked at his face, and all I saw was my brother. And to this day to this day when I. When I look at the victims face. It's one phase I always tried to avoid because it. That just reminds me of my brother and. His stories found like something that could have happened to him. There's a savagery in that story that just I just can't get over just the fact that you know the police. Pulled up in didn't even get a chest the car before they shot him down in I. Remember also my brother. When he was younger, he must have been maybe around nine ten I. Remember telling him. Right now. You're cute right now. You're cute kid. In the local cops, they give you a basketball, but. When day you will grow, you will grow up and if you're lucky like that, you. Will you know shoot past six feet? Didn't you're no longer be that you get. You will be a threat. and. You have to be aware of that. And so for sure if you have a black man in your family, Fisher, ease the first one you think of. But then when the victims started multiplying when the you know, diversity of the victims are more what I mean by. That is that you didn't have just blackman anymore? Now was black women. It was black. Children was black. Girls loved ones, Brianna Taylor grieving and outraged the twenty six year old, Louisville First Responder Shot, eight times. By police and so now I can't help but worry about everyone. Including Myself, the problem is not even us, and so when the problem is not you and it's not what you do or what you do, then you just can't help but worry about everyone. Because basically everyone is at risk. Yeah, so now it's not even just about my brother anymore. I'm just scared for everyone. Hello My name is Caleb Fountain I'm patient to I moved to Canada at the age of like eleven months so I was real young lived in Ottawa for most of my elementary years, and then I moved here in Montreal. went to high school here when the college here and I also. ammon advocate for racial justice. When you look at what's going on like in the US. If you're my color, you look like me if you're black and you look at these images like as soon as a video starts like you instantly cringe, right. As soon as you see the lights. Turn on behind a black person's car and you hear. The officer giving instructions. You instantly cringe because you know that. is going to go wrong. You know that it's it's not A. It's not a comedy sketch. Is probably some real footage of someone probably gonna be either shot murdered or or violently pulled out of their car and the rice are GONNA be violated like it's just. It's just becoming the norm when you see that kind of videos and. It does give you trauma to a certain extent that people don't want to address. It gives you trauma, and when whenever I'm like bulled over. Let's say even for traffic stop. You fear for your life. That's why you see a lot of us. Don't even feel safe calling the police when when something bad happen to us because. You think the police are just gonNA. Come and think that you're the perpetrator. and. Every time we look at this footage, we cringe right away before the interaction even starts and the average I feel like the average. White person is not able to relate to that. Because that's not a reality, they face every day. But we have to watch. We have to watch these videos. Often time I hear some of my peers. Say A big situation. Let's say like Ahmad Aubrey. Who got shot like? Those group chats in like a lot of us are just like I haven't watched a video yet. I'm not ready for it. You know like we're not ready to watch. District leg is just too much to take. State, investigators now testifying that video statements from the suspects, so the Aubrey was quote chased hunted down and ultimately executed, and that the man who shot him. Used a racial slur as he stood over his body. I'm Doctor Hillary McBride. Take! Your microphones rarely go. Into my therapy office. It's where my clients hurt. He'll ultimately thrive. You're going to hear private conversations that we rarely ever have with ourselves. Let alone share with others. Welcome to other people's problems. Maybe along the way you'll discover that other people's problems are a lot like your own. Season Three's out now. Subscribe on CBC. Listen or wherever. You get your podcasts. What Caleb Fountain just talked about the pain and trauma that comes from watching footage of police. Brutality against black people is something that Trayvon also brought up with me. He's twenty two years old and made national news last year when he was the target of a racial profiling incident on Parliament, Hill. It eventually led to a personal apology from Prime Minister Justin Trudeau judo met privately with African. Nova Scotian youths including several, who said they were racially profiled on a recent visit to Parliament Hill. They say a government employee complained about them, being noisy and refer to them as dark skinned people trayvon Clayton. One of the youth wanted an apology from the prime minister. He says he got one in private. What did you make Hersher? Did sure did totally respect his apology. And also. Some thoughts since then Trayvon has been really active in fighting against racism and his home of Nova Scotia. And like a lot of people, this week's events have brought back a lot of pain for him when I heard. Will George Floyd? It just like it hurt me has been filled with pain for a very long time. When I was sixteen I was brutally arrested by police officer. Put his need to the back of my head in so just mamie reflect on. My trauma I've been through. In growing up as a as a young black male, it's like at something we face on a regular basis. How do people let this slide? Like? How do people let this continue to happen because? I wasn't I wasn't I. WanNa murder by police officer. Like. Crazy that there's been so much names. Mentioned way before mentioned years before, but yet it's still allowed this. We still let it slide. It all builds up to me because here in Halifax Nova Scotia also racism here in his face at every single day. And so growing up as it's tough, being black but I love it because Dessus. That's who I am. That's what I do and it's I'm proud to say I am black. Seeing that a lot of noncolored people. were. Saying black lives matter in in posting host boat the situation that happened with George Floyd. In so it was just like all right like I'm tired of seeing won't pose on social media I'm tired of seeing them. Show that the cure through social media so that the care behind a screen where I can't see their actual facial expression or the way they feel or what? They're really doing and so what I did. I wouldn't put on my social media. I just gave them. The way I felt. Like I'm tired of noncolored people. Posting in sharing stories about situations that are happening with police brutality where you guys out when we protest against that kind of stuff where you guys at when we march against that in so I basically just called the modes like you need to show your face and then. After that, it just kind of. took off like I had a lot of friends. My that message me like what can I do to support events in south in the first thing I would say be at the protest at this this marching and show your face. Show that you care. And if you don't like, ask also like. Do. You know what the problem is. Do you understand what is going on like in if they would say Knowlton now would be like the new are the problem. If you find that a police officer killing a unarmed black man black woman. Isn't really issue than you are part of the problem, but if you're against it, then you have to take advantage of the privilege you have and use it against your own people. Monday's protests here in Halifax and. When I was standing up on that stage front, and on the Mike when I would see the faces of our beautiful colors, not just blacks not just waits. It was I was grateful to say that. I felt welcome for the first time ever hearing in Halifax Nova Scotia. Scotian. That desire and hope for change, Nova Scotia and Canada more widely is something the case of Monroe Anderson has been thinking a lot about. She's a community worker and educator someone who's dedicated her career to advocating for people of African descent. He says also married and has three kids. And for her and her household, all the enriched this week has been exasperating. I am frustrated. I feel overwhelmed, but I also have a righteous anger which moves made to look for solutions, which leads me to look for light during this intense time of darkness. George, Floyd could have been my brother. He could have been my uncle. He could have been my my children's oncle. He could have been a member of my family, and we see him as such we although we do not live in Minneapolis Minnesota. We don't live in the United States. We live in Canada, which is supposed to also be the land of the free. We know the truth, which is that anti black racism is alive on well in Nova Scotia on alive, unwell in Canada. Going into a grocery store not long ago as my son, and I my eldest, my fifteen year old, he was fourteen, then walked in. He looked at me and he said mom he said I should take my hands out of my pockets. Shouldn't I I said yes, she should, and he was wearing a Hoodie. He said I should pull down my hoodie. Shouldn't I I said yes, I said. Do you know why and he said? Yes, because I don't want them to think stealing. how many white fourteen year olds have that same thought you know when you hear security on our nine and you realize okay. Well I'm the only one dial nine. You know what's the the for security? Well, obviously, black lives and black bodies are seen as criminal when I think about my daughter. I'm taking can't her into a store department store and we were waiting on my son to try on an item of clothing and the changing room while we waited because I'm the only adult with my children were younger than I didn't WanNa take my daughter into a changing room to try on what she wanted. So I said I'll Jordan. We can just try on this blouse. Right here I. Look around, you know. Know it's Clare. The light is on really brightly above where we are, everybody can see I took the blouse and I put it over. Jordan smack You know to try it on. And she started to cry. She was about seven years old at the time and I saw, said Jordan. What what what? What's the matter she said Mommy? No, I said. What's The matador? And she said mummy I don't want them to think I'm stealing I. Don't want them to think we're stealing TESA describes this as the everyday trauma that her and her children go through. It's the kind of trauma that doesn't make the headlines, but that her family lives with all the time. When we think about what we've seen in Nova Scotia at the end of last year, the beginning of this year, a woman with two children shopping in Walmart and wrestle to the ground, having an enjoyed concussion, a broken wrist. think about an active Nova. Scotia Man Taes enduring a concussion on Quinn. Pool Road in Halifax. We think about a fifteen year old boy in Bedford I can. I. Go outside if I want you. For, what for speaking my mouth? We're speaking. Really, don't you? That's twenty minutes from my house. I have a fifteen year old. The night I found out about that. I looked at my husband and I said that could be our son. Fifteen years old. That was not in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Thought was twenty minutes from my house, and that could of been Mike fifteen year old son. Case a hopes that this is a time where people with privilege and power will actually begin to address issues of systemic discrimination against black people more representation in politics education, the healthcare system. A greater appreciation of black history and the contributions of black communities. And even when we're wrapping up our conversation cases, voice is full of energy and determination on this point. For her this. Conversation we're having about anti black racism is a longtime coming slow test of what of the kind that we're seeing across the world and in Nova Scotia it is necessary, and it was only a matter of time, and we're seeing the eruption on the demand that we'd be seen as human on that. The Anti Black Racism systemic discrimination at all levels the justice system with police in the education system in the healthcare system. It must end. You heard case Monroe Anderson. Talk about the need to address discrimination in the healthcare system that's something that relates directly with the ongoing threat of covid nineteen. In the US black communities are disproportionately affected. They represent about thirteen percent of the country's population, but more than half of covert related deaths. And in Toronto, research has shown that. The virus is more prevalent in low income, neighborhoods and areas with more immigrants and visible minorities. Dr Kwame. McKenzie is the CEO of the Wellesley Institute a think tank that studies urban health issues. He's calling for Canada to collect race based data on covert nineteen sections. Every day we don't have the data and everyday. We have spoken to communities to try and find out the way the best way to protect them. Is a day when we may lose a life that we could have protectate right so. When did this isn't hypothetical staff? It's not in sort of our move. Wouldn't it be nice? This is lives. This is people being infected. People dying when if we had the if we had the data and the data swimmer light on a titular population, we might be able to move resources that we might be able to do more track more testing more tracking more isolating. Remind them to save people's lives, so it's safe. You hear any frustration in. It's because the state. That's all for today. Front burner comes to you from ABC. News and CBC PODCASTS The show was produced this week by Markelle Polonia image burt chart the high teasers Derek, Van, Dyke and myself they're also that are sound design along with Mandy Sham and my cameron are music is by Joseph Shepardson of boombox sound. The executive producer of front burner is Nick McCabe locos. I'm Elaine Chao. Thanks for listening. For more CBC PODCASTS GO TO CBC dot, Ca Slash podcasts.

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Mysteries of the Vatican Pt 2: Secret Vatican Archive

Conspiracy Theories

44:35 min | 3 months ago

Mysteries of the Vatican Pt 2: Secret Vatican Archive

"This episode contains discussions of violence and torture which some listeners may find. Upsetting extreme caution is advised for listeners under thirteen in two fifty eight. C e a deacon known only as lorenzo was working in a church bureau in rome when he was suddenly interrupted by banging on the door when he opened it he saw a roman prefect flanked by soldiers the official held an edict from the emperor that gave them permission to search the bureau. Lorenzo knew that if he refused he'd likely be beaten and killed on the spot so he had no choice but to step aside he watched as the soldiers up ended desks and shelves they rifle through baskets of clothing and even dumped out sacks of donated grain for the poor then the prefect turn to lorenzo and demanded to know where he was hiding certain objects. Lorenzo responded politely that he didn't know what the man was talking about. The prefect stared at lorenzo with hate in his eyes. He realized there was one way to get the deacon to talk. Lorenzo was dragged to a nearby prison and chain to an iron structure of it looked like a bed frame underneath. It were red hot coals. The gridiron as lorenzo skin begin to crackle and roast gritted his teeth and stifled screams of agony. But still he refused to talk. This was a secret he would die to protect. That secred was a collection of the catholic churches most important records teachings and treasures. It would become known by an ominous name. The vatican secret archives. Welcome to conspiracy theories as spotify original from podcast every monday and wednesday. We dig into the complicated stories behind the world's most controversial events in search for the truth. I'm carter roy molly brandenburg and neither of us are conspiracy theorists. We are open minded skeptical and curious. Don't get us wrong sometimes. The official version is the truth. But sometimes it's not normally we take things story by story conspiracy by conspiracy but we'll be doing something a little differently for the next few episodes. We're exploring the secrets of the vatican one of the oldest and most influential organizations in the world. Last time we chronicled the catholic church is rise to power which was both bloody and fraught with controversy. Today we're exploring one of the most guarded sections of the vatican. The secret archives this collection of documents and precious items has existed since the earliest days of the church and is said to hold some of the most mind-bending information ever produced next time. We'll do a deep dive into one of the most controversial enigmas 's in the archives. The three secrets of fatima coming up the deadly origins of the vatican secret archives. This episode is brought to you by the volvo. Xc ninety recharge plug in hybrid. 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Fifty point five percent alcohol volume one proof copyright twenty twenty one. Campari america york new york. The vatican secret archives are one of the most controversial and sought after collections of information in human history their estimated to contain over fifty miles of shelving full of priceless relics. This is in addition to the vatican library which houses over eighty thousand ancient. Latin and greek manuscripts close to nine thousand of the earliest printed books and over one and a half million total volumes of material the secret archives home transcript of galileo's trial king henry the eighth infamous request for an annulment a letter from mary queen of scots the pope to help save her life and even notes from michaelangelo requesting payment for his work but the library and archives aren't just home to historical texts they also contain pieces of art coins medals and other valuable objects the archives index alone is almost thirty five thousand volumes. It said that there are so many items. The vatican staff still hasn't fully processed or translated everything in them. Naturally this has led some to believe it may hold secrets that the church isn't even aware of but the backlog is understandable. The archives weren't officially created until sixteen twelve but the church has been collecting material for over two thousand years. Since the days of the first followers of jesus christ that it can scholars believe the first church archives may have been simple fishermen's baskets in the poorer sections of rome they likely contained records of baptisms lists of followers and more importantly gospels recollections of jesus life documents that eventually became the new testament even though the baskets weren't glamorous. They were effective at hiding information from the romans. This was critical for early christians who were frequent targets of persecution. No one knew this better than the first pope. Saint peter according to christian tradition around the year sixty four see peter was arrested by emperor nero and crew certified his crime unifying the early christians across the roman empire. After saint peter's death. His letters became some of the most important items in the library. The early christians kept lists of martyrs. Like peter to remind them of the sacrifices made for their religion in the early days the archives were split up and hidden around rome so that even if one location was found by the romans the rest would still be safe. They were kept in catacombs fishing boats merchant shops and homes but as the archives continue to expand keeping track of them all became difficult so some time around the third century ce the church decided to consolidate them into a single location. That would come to be called the holy screen. Eum combining the archives may have seemed like a risk at the time however by then emperor nero was long dead and a period of tolerance prevailed during these periods of relative peace. The archives expanded quickly not just in size but in material around the year. Two twenty ce. Hope callixte us is thought to have begun. Adding real estate deeds to the collection as wealthier followers joined the church little by little it's property holdings grew which may have been one reason for the sacrifice of archdeacon lorenzo known in english as saint lawrence on the red hot gridiron in two fifty eight c. He knew the danger of giving the records to the emperor. Not only would. The romans get a roster of christians. They would also discover their expanding wealth. Tragically four the renzo. That sacrifice came just sixty years before the church and the archives were finally safe as we learned last week by three thirteen ce emperor. Constantine had converted to christianity and legalized the religion across the roman empire. From that moment on worshipers were no longer endanger bought. the churches vaults of information. We're still highly guarded. Even though constantine was one of the faithful church leaders had witnessed the fickleness of the empire in the past. They knew their luck could change with the next ruler. In the meantime the church was determined to leverage their imperial support. They finally had the financial backing to create a true headquarters and repository of all their documents so same time that constantine built saint peter's basilica he also donated a giant building. Call the lateran palace. The ornate passwords structure became home to the church's administration as well as the now with a permanent home the collection of secret information multiplied over the next centuries during this period. The church acquired hundreds of manuscripts transcripts from the knights templar trials and of course the earliest copies of the bible that in the thirteen hundred. The vast secret archives were in jeopardy once more. But this time. It wasn't from roman imperial edicts it was from within the church in thirteen. O five a series of french cardinals were elected to the papacy. Instead of ruling from rome they decided to move church headquarters six hundred miles west to avenue on france. This may not sound like a tragedy but for anyone who has moved boxes of books files and works of art. You know it can be devastatingly. Difficult during the transition to avenue on many of the archives were lost at sea or damaged by weather and insects and then in thirteen seventy seven. The reign of french popes ended the headquarters moved back to rome. And so did the archives. This meant even more items were lost or destroyed thankfully though there were still thousands of volumes left. Those surviving documents became the seed from which these secret archives sprouted in fourteen. Fifty one pope nicholas. V established the vatican library which housed his personal collection of books in many ordinary church documents. But in sixteen. Twelve pope paul. The fifth created a second repository for the most confidential items in the collection. He dubbed it the vatican secret archives. That's right the secret. Archives isn't a cheeky nickname that the public concocted. It was the official title and was a name like that. The vatican seem to be tempting fate for the next two hundred years. The archives remained hidden from the public and they continue to grow and expand or the most part. They gathered church related documents. There were papal correspondents real estate. Deeds and transcripts of trials against accused heretics like galileo. When popes died the church absorbed their private libraries books in mementos and of course it became a depot for artwork in valuables harvested from centuries of crusades. Wars and pillaging of course with such a grand expansion. It was only natural for word to spread about the archives. One could only keep it a secret for so long and so throughout the seventeen hundreds and eighteen hundreds curious worshippers priests and scholars clamored for permission to peek inside. Finally in eighteen eighty one pope leo the thirteenth bow to pressure and granted them access but that access came with stipulations generally only catholic theologians or respected clerics were allowed to apply to enter applicants. Were then vetted to make sure they didn't have any hidden agendas for the lucky few who were approved. Many areas were off limits even including records from the twentieth century. One hardly desired batch of documents was the churches records after nineteen thirty nine. That date may have been because as we learned. Last time critics believed the vatican was secretly involved with nazi germany during world war. Two some were convinced that the archives contain unsettling communications between pope pious. The twelfth and berlin in two thousand twenty access to those records was finally granted unfortunately no bomb shells have been released yet. Perhaps it's time to tell but public interest in the archives isn't only about the vatican's possible connection to hitler. It goes deeper than that. Some believe that the archive has information about the various sex abuse. Scandals and controversies that have plagued the church in the modern day since only a handful of people have had access to those miles of shelves. Naturally rumors and conspiracy theories have run rampant so then what is the vatican concealing some contend that the archives contain more than just documents and priceless artwork. Some claim that the church is hiding a secret stash of pornography coming up. We'll search the archives for carnal pleasures high listeners. It's vanessa from podcast. If you haven't had a chance to check out my series mythology you don't know what you're missing heroes. Gods monsters and mayhem this podcast. Has it all every tuesday. Take a deep dive back in time exploring the history origins and meaning behind the myths that have shaped the earth each episode of mythology dramatizes. A story pulled from believes from around the world giving insight into how our ancestors saw the universe and how those stories resonate in our lives today. Recent episodes include the epic battle between hercules and the grieving spirit known as lawyer donna and a treacherous journey to the land of the dead catch new episodes every tuesday and binge the classics anytime follow mythology free on spotify. Or wherever. you get your podcasts. This episode is brought to you by wild turkey. One a one bourbon. What makes an old fashioned of boll fashioned his starts with your bourbon crafted from an authentic trusted recipe the same one since nineteen forty to age longer for more character while turkey one a one bourbon is the one you can trust for delicious spiciness while turkey makes classic cocktails with you should be molded while turkey one one real bourbon. No apologies order on. Jerusalem dot com never compromise drink responsibly while turkey kentucky straight bourbon whiskey fifty point five percent alcohol volume one on one proof of copyright two thousand twenty one far america new york new york now back to the story. The vatican secret archives contains millions of pages of documents drawings and images gathered over the centuries however some of theorized that they also contain a more shocking collection. The world's biggest collection of pornography conspiracy theorists contend that the vatican has an extensive volatile photographs magazines and videos of carnal pleasures. Some say it's for research some believe it was an attempt to rid the world of porn by purchasing every known copy other more audacious theory. Say it's for the private enjoyment of select group of priests. No one knows for sure where. This rumor arose. But it's been around for over a century and it has some high level backers to denmark's museum. Erotica has one of the world's most notable displays of x. rated material until two thousand nine but the museum apparently told visitors that their collection wasn't the largest modest of them. According to the museum staff the vatican actually takes. The prize is having the biggest collection to be fair. No one knows for sure if the rumors about the vatican are true but it isn't outside the realm of possibility after all the church had been collecting sexually explicit material for centuries in fifteen nineteen pope leo the tenth commission renowned renaissance artist rafael to pay the vatican apartments with frescoes of significant moments in church. History sadly both the pope and rafael died before the rooms were completed but in the years that followed other artists continued the project. One of raphael's pupils giulio romano took up the task. But around fifteen twenty. Three romano apparently became outraged that he wasn't being paid on time as payback. Romano allegedly painted a series of explicit scenes of people pleasure themselves in the pope's apartment and that's stating lightly these sixteen panel showed men and women in graphic sexual positions like an italian version of the kama sutra became known as the sixteen pleasures but before the pope could paint over them another artist marcantonio raymond e surreptitiously copied the explicit paintings. Then he printed them into pamphlets and began distributing them overnight. The sixteen pleasures became an underground sensation around rome. Naturally it didn't take long before the vatican learn of raymond these secret printing business and the church needed to put an end to it asap within days. Raymond e was thrown in jail and for the next century. The vatican hunted down bought or confiscated every copy of the pictures they could find. The vatican did such a good job. There is supposedly only one. Public copy laughed. That copy is reported to be a sixteenth century. Reproduction of the originals. It's on display at the british museum. In london in a special frame that obscures most of its tilting tidbits whether or not hundreds or perhaps thousands of copies of the sixteen pleasures exist in the secret. Archives is unknown but if the vatican spent so much time and energy hunting down those pictures it is plausible that they confiscated other pornography as well and lock them in the archive. however the existence of the vatican's pornography collection is refuted by father leonard boyle boyle was a chief librarian for the vatican library in the nineteen eighties and nineties. Father boyle claim to have looked for rumored collection. He recalled when i first came to the vatican. I asked someone who had been around longer than anybody else about whether this famous pornography actually existed. He said there was no such thing. And i certainly haven't come across it but we shouldn't take father boyle's testimony at face value in nineteen ninety-seven. He was dismissed from his post. The library for illegally selling the rights to images in the archive. The vatican refused to comment on the details of the images as well as boils departure. A church spokesperson cryptically remarked. Everyone has to leave some time. Sadly two years later boyle died at the age of seventy five as a result we may never know if he found hidden copies off the sixteen pleasures but in the end it might not matter whether or not the vatican has a vast collection of pornography. Some believe this rumor was a red herring to distract the public from. What's actually hidden in the archives. Whatever secrets the archives contain. They were explosive enough. That early church leaders were willing to die for them so dangerous that even today some of the records are still hidden from view some theorists contend that the top secret documents include the family birth records of the most pivotal person in the church. Jesus christ as we mentioned the earliest documents in the archives included lists of church followers and perhaps most importantly birth and baptismal records. If the romans got their hands on these papers it would give them a hit list of who to harass arrest in potentially kill and even more dangerous. Those documents might include the birth records of church leaders or even jesus himself and some speculate that there are documents that could prove. The son of god had a family beyond mary and joseph. The bible doesn't shy away from the fact that jesus may have had siblings. The gospel of matthew chapter thirteen verse. Fifty five reads is not this. The carpenter's son is not his mother called mary and his brethren james and joseph and simon and judas some biblical scholars believe that these brothers were joseph sons from a previous marriage so these young men may not have been full relatives of jesus but jesus may have had surviving blood relatives through his mother mary. Even though it wasn't mentioned specifically in the bible. It's likely that mary hetero own siblings. Some biblical experts like prominent american bishop fulton j sheen believed that the new testament even contained covert hints. That mary had brothers or sisters. One famous example is the story of and mary attending a wedding in the city of qena. At some point activity these who wine ran out and mary was called upon to fix the problem. She then turns to jesus and asks for his help. At which point he performed his first miracle. Turning water to wine. Bishop fulton pointed out that. Mary didn't seem to be an ordinary wedding guest. She acted as the hostess. So it could be inferred that the bride or groom were part of mary's family. Perhaps one of them was jesus's aunt uncle or cousin. If that's true. Jesus would likely have blood relatives whose offspring may still exist today and if that were true the vatican would likely seek to keep that information private for two reasons. I if christ did have a family and descendants. It opened them up to danger. Members of prominent families are easy targets for high profile kidnappings whether for extortion or revenge and the distant family to the supposed son of god would be prime pickings sacked into and more importantly if jesus had direct descendants of his own it could ruin the image of his divinity and power it would call into question the dogmatic belief that the son of god was a celebrate. Bridegroom of the church. Some theorists have proposed that. Jesus may have had a child with mary mandolin. One of his most dedicated followers. This claim was popularized in one thousand nine hundred eighty to buy a book entitled holy blood. Holy grail two decades later. The theory became part of a pop culture phenomenon with the debut of dan. Brown's famous novel. The davinci code this theory also circles back to the marriage at cana. Some scholars think the wedding wasn't for one of mary. Siblings rather it was for her son. Jesus himself why else would marry. Act as a hostess for the party. Why would jesus be so willing to perform his first miracle just to change water into wine. An obvious explanation is that it was his wedding. This theory also assumes that jesus had a child as well and if that were the case the church would be motivated to hide that knowledge to preserve the idea of jesus's divinity and celibacy but whether or not those documents still exist may be a moot point. There's a more extreme theory that the archives contain a device that can prove the existence of jesus alleged family beyond a shadow of a doubt. It isn't a piece of paper or even a family tree. It's a time travel device in the nineteen fifties. A team of italian scientists led by the nobel prize winning physicist enrico fermi supposedly invented a machine. That could do just that. They called it. The krono visor. Fair me never commented on the clandestine project. One person came forward who claim to be part of his team. He was a benedictine priest named pellegrino or nettie in may nineteen seventy-two air. Nettie spilled the beans for an italian magazine. He insisted that the team hadn't built a traditional time machine. The sort that's commonly depicted in films or scifi books it didn't transport them into the past instead. It was a highly sensitive quantum instrument that could view any moment in history. The device acted like video camera allowing historic events to be displayed. On a monitor with the help of the krono visor air nettie claimed to have personally witnessed critical moments in history including the crucifixion of jesus air nettie even supposedly took a snapshot of jesus in his last moments. Air netties allegations caused a stir across the globe but interestingly the vatican remain tight lipped about it their reticence made more and more people suspect that the church might actually have the krono visor under lock and key skeptics point out. Though that if the archives possessed an instrument they could prove the existence of jesus why wouldn't they unveil it to the world why not share the images that were taken. of course. you could argue that. The krono visor is more valuable if it stays hidden. If the vatican revealed proof of jesus existence and the tool they used to view it everyone would scramble to build a similar instruments or steal it. If that technology fell into the wrong hands it could shed light on unflattering moments in the church's history such as rumored executions murders and ties to nazi germany. It makes sense. The vatican would wanna keep those skeletons inside the closet but some say that the vatican has kept the krono visor locked in the archives not because of their fear of the past but because of the instruments ability to peer into the future many believe the church is using it for something much more alarming predicting the end of the world coming up the secret archives and the apocalypse this episode is brought to you by the volvo. Xc ninety recharge plug in hybrid. The volvo xc ninety recharge plug in hybrid is designed for the ultimate safety test. Climate change while driving impure mode produces zero tailpipe emissions outside. It's available advanced. Air cleaner helps optimize the air inside the car. You trust to protect your family. Now helps protect their future. The volvo xc ninety recharge plug in hybrid forever. One's safety learn more at volvo. Cars dot com slash. Us this episode is brought to you. By the showtime original series city on a hill starring kevin bacon and aldous hodge the new york times raise. The cast is stellar season to return to the heart of boston. Nineteen ninety-three it's a cine rife with crime and corruption where everyone has a not clear motive and no one gets away. Clinging new episodes of city on a hill are now streaming only on showtime. Now back to the story. Since the early days of christianity many followers have been obsessed with the apocalypse. Jesus himself preached about judgement day and in the first few decades after his death. Many christians for told that the world would be consumed by a great conflagration. Their infatuation with flames became so commonplace. That the romans are said to have considered early christians. A fire colt. Colt is a strong word but their interest in it was undeniable even the final book of the bible. The book of revelation dedicates plenty of space to fire and brimstone one of the most iconic lines chapter eight verse seven. The first angel blue his trumpet and there followed hail and fire mixed with blood and these were thrown upon the earth and a third of the earth was burned up and a third of the trees were burned up. an all. Green grass was burned up but even if christians were confident that the fires of the apocalypse were coming. They didn't know. When this uncertainty was echoed in the gospel of matthew chapter. Twenty four verse. Thirty six which reads concerning that day and our no one knows not even the angels of heaven nor the son but the father only without an exact date for judgment day. Many documents in the archives likely focused on predictions for win the event would happen and in sixty four ce. An event occurred that. Made many christians believe those premonitions were coming true on july nineteenth. A fire broke out in rome. Near circus maximus the elaborate chariot racing. Stadium the hot dry summer had transformed the city into a tinderbox so flames spread quickly through shops homes and warehouses. The fire raged for six straight days. And when it was brought under control another one started. This one lasted three days. As the smoke cleared. Two thirds of rome was destroyed. countless people. were dead there. Were conflicting accounts of how the fire started some believed emperor. Nero intentionally set it so that he could rebuild the city with gardens for his sexual pleasure. The roman historian tacitus described. Niro watching rome burn while playing his fiddle. Meanwhile others including nero blamed the fire on the new religious group obsessed with fire in judgment day. The christians some of the early christians appear to have celebrated the fires fulfilment of jesus promise they assumed it was the end of the world and that they would soon be rewarded with heaven. Unfortunately it wasn't the judgment day they were hoping for instead. Emperor nero took on the role of judge and he cruelly persecuted christians. Many were arrested and sentenced to death. Some were fed to lions others. Were lit on fire. There were accounts that niro used some burning christians as torches in his private gardens. Even though the great fire of rome was not the apocalypse they had hoped for early. Christians continue to prepare for the end and one way they would have done. This was by studying their holy texts and scriptures texts. That were possibly kept hidden in the secret. Archives and as centuries passed it's possible that the clergy consulted these locked away documents for apocalyptic warnings in signs one. Such sign happened in the year. Ten nine c. A sixteenth century account claims that the sun went dark and the moon turned an eerie shade of crimson across the holy roman empire. This event coincided with a massive earthquake a giant burning object falling from the sky and a famine on. Fortunately this wasn't the cataclysmic event. They were waiting for the sun. Lit up again and the world kept turning but then two hundred years later. Something happened that many in the church believed was fine of the apocalypse. The spread of islam as muslim caliphates expanded their power from the arabian peninsula into the holy land. The vatican launched a series of wars to take those territories back and while the christians briefly reclaim the holy land. The muslims took it back by the early twelve. Hundreds pope innocent. The third saw this defeat as a sign and likely after consulting with tax in the secret archives. He concluded that it was evidence. Of the coming apocalypse. The pope proceeded to write to bishops and allies europe warning them of impending doom in twelve thirteen. He wrote a son of perdition has arisen the false prophet muhammad we nevertheless put our trust in the lord who has already given a sign. That good is to come. The end of this beast is approaching. Whose number according to the revelation of saint john. We'll end in six hundred sixty six years of which already nearly six hundred have passed. Whatever math the pope was using meant that the world would end in twelve eighty four and until that day finally came. He argued that the christians had to battle the muslims. Of course when twelve eighty four finally arrived. The world did not end proving. That islam isn't a harbinger of the end days. But despite the failed prediction discussion of the times continued. And of course that meant more material for the secret archives reportedly among the gathered text were firsthand accounts of plagues famines and fires across the kingdom. All of which were interpreted as pre apocalyptic signs but there were other potentially more important indications of judgment day miraculous visions on september nineteenth eighteen. Forty six two. Children raced home from tending their cows in the french alps when they arrived. They informed their parents that they had come across a beautiful woman crying in the mountains. The kids described the mysterious lady as being clothed in a white robe gold apron and headdress with a crucifix around her neck. The children went on to claim that the woman reprimanded the villagers for cursing and not going to church. She ominously warned of a great famine whether the children believed they had spoken with the virgin mary or if their parents made that assumption after the fact we don't know but regardless news of the events spread through rural france and eventually made it to rome. The church sent investigators to determine if it was true after interviewing children. The church concluded that it was a miracle they called the vision. Our lady of loss alette. But that wasn't the end of the miracle five years later. The children admitted that what told the investigators wasn't the whole truth. It turned out. Mary had apparently trusted each of the children with a unique secret this time. The kids sent mary's messages directly to the pope when he read their letters. He announced that it was good news. But he didn't elaborate. The secretive press release from the vatican 'cause skeptics to believe that perhaps the messages weren't happy tidings. Perhaps it was a warning of the apocalypse. Such theories were only intensified when in nineteen ninety nine one priest released. What he claimed. Were the hidden messages from the archives. According to these letters francis corruption would lead to dire consequences such as famine and eventually there would be a crisis within the church all of which would happen prior to the year two thousand however the authenticity of these letters has been disputed. It was widely known that one of the children maximum had a reputation for fanciful stories. Perhaps what the church released was just that a fanciful story or perhaps the vatican has the real secret. And perhaps it remains locked away in the vatican secret archives for centuries. The vatican has remained tight-lipped on. What's inside the archives which they renamed apostolic rather than secret in two thousand nineteen to some degree. The reticence is understandable. The archives are so large even the church doesn't know everything that's contained in its labyrinth of volts and bookshelves. Whatever mysteries are inside the vaults. The church has guard them with their lives in some cases quite literally even to this day there are secrets and revelations that the church is suppressing but every so often the vatican succumbs to public pressure and reveals the truth about a controversial mystery. Such was the case in the summer of two thousand when the vatican announced that it was going to divulge an enigma that had puzzled conspiracy theorists for over eighty years. The mystery involved three portuguese children were visited by an apparition in nineteen seventeen. Much like what happened. In the french alps seventy years earlier the apparition gave the children vetik visions. These predictions became known around the world as the three secrets of fatima. Thanks for tuning into conspiracy theories for more information on the secret. Archives amongst many sources we used. We found the secret archives of the vatican by maria. Luisa ambrosini and. Mary willis helpful to our research. We'll be back next time with our third episode on the vatican deep dive into the three secrets of fatima. You can find all episodes of conspiracy theories and all other spotify originals from podcast for free on spotify until then remember. The truth isn't always the best story and the official story isn't always the truth. Conspiracy theories is a spotify original from podcast. It is executive produced by max cutler. Sound design by trent williamson with production assistance by ron shapiro. Corley madden and travis clark. This episode of conspiracy theories was written by adam to silva with writing assistance by kate. Gallagher and joe gara- fact checking by on your barely and research by bradley klein. Conspiracy theories stars molly. Brandenburg an carter roy.

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The story from the Birth of Christ

Romeo Siaw-Mensah Podcast

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The story from the Birth of Christ

"What show ever born gone overcome make the world and this is the victory that will come world even our faith which comes by hearing and hearing the word right divided here with paul tori and conviction by revenue seattle. Many some of them makarios change at during this annoying tech teaching you will telling you strengthen you and equip you for a royal life in the be transformed as listen do as a worship will come and not bowl remember jesus in the supposed to come and behold kemper look at the face of jesus this the also on the face of our savior. What does paul focus your eyes on him. That king of kings. Who is the pulse now on reduce themselves to come and dwell among us. Thank you jesus. Thank you father for transforming yourself from spirits to flesh to come and dwell among us. We with us we welcome. You may receive you happiness joy. Thank you for coming to be email. Missed to dwell with us to help us with to do in this world the darkness. You are the lights. The last son of walton both in dhaka's no comprehended and every document. He loves his goal with us. Light up on a thank. You let your life to went onto our is with us. you have come here at the darkness. Allot our statistic be removed. The brightness of red light of word of knowledge come on to us would bless you and thank you ju- system and sent emend for that hallelujah. God bless a receipt that everybody does see everybody gets look number one best number. Sixty one was number every. Look one twenty six. Luke chapter one verse twenty six and in the six months but angel. Gabriel the name is gabrielle. The name is gabrielle. In the six months of the angel gabriele was sent from god. Onto a city of galilee named nozzle country relate so much. Hallelujah amen go in six months in the six months. Angel gabriel or sent from god on to a city of galilee named on the six months the angel gabriel was sent from gold onto a city of galilee named not hallelujah now christmas the stories many and varied from matthews vision luke's version and other versions. We used to there's stories of the bible by wanna read phase. We are not taking attempt to analyze and to meditate on to identify the caracas. That goad us in for failing this all time prophecy that one day in those generation before christ was born. I prophesied that savior be born by evasion by juice As up to seven. He's a veg- in shock. Or i mean it sounds so foolish in the eyes of men for you to say that evasion shah conceive because once you break your virginity before you have pregnancy might break your budget but for you to be pregnant before you break up. Net area go. See what you read the bible. That's what meditation is very important in reading of the bible. If you read a bubble storybook you will never be blessed. The whole britain must minister to you through. Make titians hallelujah. So we need to take our times when you go. Luke spent down to read all the stories about jesus christ and his. You was born a man now. The bobble say that in the six month thirty six months after conceived this angel was sent to. I'll let you hear how many of you have seen an engine before. Have you received visitations of angels. Gabriel was sent from goat onto a city of galilee. Name nazda sutton at gully was district by not stretch of the town do. Ns won't go to israel galili the sea of galilee and all the cities are around this is called galilee. So what are we say galilee. In the bible we are referring to a certain traffica area and then for like you said became too maybe a central radio utah coverage but good coverage region. There are so many towns and suburbs does so many suburbs that make akra so the question is in heaven assad down on the committee meeting and the planning food to us on earth to fall. 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166  Fatale Donna

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166 Fatale Donna

"Hello and welcome to misinformation Trivia podcasts for ladies and gents who love Cool Trivia and sticking it to nine teams at pub quiz. Or? However you were playing quiz now. Oh sorry. We are your hosts I'm Lauren and I'm Juliet. Hey Joel high high. So. Like we mentioned last week, you don't remember what I said My. Great. Great. So we're you're coming at it fresh fresh fresh minded said we're no preconceived notion preconceived notions and I'm GonNa tell you what my inspiration for this week was. Great. So we've been kind of out of practice because the last time recorded was I mean? The whole bunch in. April or May or doing like one a week. Yeah. Ranking them out. Yeah. which is why some episodes mentioned. He was like you guys sounded tired I. Think we did four that day which really sucked. So we're back in the swing of things and I tell you in. It's been hard to get back into the swing of things. It's tough to right in our up a whole topic and then ten questions what. AM I. So one thing you should know about me, Lt is that before I go to bed at night I, watch youtube videos of people putting on makeup because I find it soothing and it also gives me inspiration for what to do with make up the next morning. which she does an excellent job by the way. Seen her eyeballs in person. Yeah. Decorate by Ball's real. So. So I just got hooked on a new youtuber. Her name is Bailey Syrian I highly recommend her she's adorable and funny. She's got a beautiful face for makeup, and basically what she does is it's called murder mystery and Makeup Mondays, and she tells a murder story are a mystery story. And while she puts on her makeup and the only reason why she's putting on makeup is because is because she's a makeup artist for four mouse but also she's like, I, want to tell the story, but it makes me uncomfortable to just sit here and stare into the camera and talk so I need something to do while I'm talking hey. So. This past Monday when were recording her episode was on Elizabeth Battery who was apparently Duchess in Italy was reported to have bathed in the blood of like Virgin Virgin yes exactly. And it was very good and she did this really beautiful purple I make up. Thanks to melt cosmetics the she's in parties Palette, which is really beautiful and I highly covet but that's neither. Here nor there. She mentioned this person and I was like I don't know a lot about her. So my episode today is called Fatale Donna. Look Great. See Aboard Zsa. So, there's going to be a lot of Italian in this episode so I'm going to be pinching my. Get yourself some me bully I. Guess Meatballs Get a nice glass of Dante. Yeah or multiple. And WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU A. Central as E. Yeah. So first off, we're going to do about some citations because I got a lot of help from the long reads Queens of infamy serious by An -Tario. So anterior writer, she's extremely funny definitely follow her on twitter, but she's been doing a queens of infamy series. And it's a wealth of information to great long read series long reads dot Com to definitely check it out. The Queens of infamy series also includes other bad ass women such as Josephine, Bonaparte Ginga, the Queen of Dongo and Matamba and Catherine Domenici among others. And they're beautifully illustrated by. indie artists as well. So this is going to be about Luke Crates Zia, but it's also going to be about the bourges as a whole in general you can't really talk about liquidates without talking about the Boras sell. Something you should know about the Borjas and Rodrigo specifically the. The. The father of the Borsch Patriarch Could Patriarch thank you. So the Bourges or bore ya in the dynasties hometown of Valencia I will not be pronouncing it like that from here on out. I promise. So. Their Spanish they show they show up in Rome in the early Fifteenth Century With Cardinal Alfonso Abortions Promotion to Pope Callixte us the third in fourteen fifty five six callixte ass-. Yeah. See that name running around I know in the playground the days no although. who honestly, it's one of those things it's just a matter of time. His election didn't especially mean that he was popular they didn't love him but the elites of the Italian city states were notoriously hateful towards. General and they specifically hated the fact that Borgia came from a former Morrish kingdom with a large Jewish population. So that's two strikes against them that they may be Moore's and they might be Jewish oh no watch out. So they were outsiders to begin with or they were like not men were. You were called me the mooks. Yeah. They're not Moore's. Ultimately colitis. Or Alfonso abortion. was chosen because he was a compromise candidate. So there was a con was a conclave divided by two powerful Roman families at the time, and since he was an elderly foreigner, they figured he would they could manipulate him. And to he was old so he would die soon. So even though he was generally just like a perfectly fine pope, he even managed to remain chaste which was actually. Rare on a rare thing at that point for. He and his family were always viewed suspicion and the Borgia family would eventually go on to produce several popes. But the contemporaries would constantly deploy xenophobic an antisemitic slurs against them. So the BOURGES got a foot in the door with colitis. And then they were like well hated from then on out. Yeah. So. This obviously contributed to the clannishness of the borders were notorious for. So, after Alex's death in fourteen, Fifty, eight, the Italians were like positive. They were like no more foreign pope's we're going to stick with the Italians that lasted fifty years, and then in fourteen ninety, two, the College of cardinals elected Rodri-, Gorsha to the Church's highest office. So on August twenty, six of that year, he wrote to Rome to claim the throne of Saint Peter as Alexander the sixth. So, from here on out I'M GONNA be calling Rodrigue. Oh, Alexander just to make things easier because he's the pope. So, first thing you should know about Alexander Slash Rodriguez is that women found him irresistible? Yes. Hot Pope hot pope new po-policy Pope. Quote he moves them in a wondrous way more powerfully than the magnet influences. Iron wrote a former tutor. And he I talk about. Yeah. ooh Yes ooh magnet influences iron What a now know what I mean. You know what I'm talking about so The valves celibacy didn't mean anything in this guy. So he fathered between eight and ten illegitimate children through the course of the pope them his lifetime basically His favorites were Giovanni Chase at A. and. Lucrative so as a Caesar. Those children were specifically with his mistress von notes that Kat Tun by, and she also had a fourth child who was noticed joffrey. Whom Alexander acknowledged as his own although he had his doubts. and. He never really gave him the same amount of affection as favourite three. And in fact, he accused notes of cheating on him with her second husband, which is like. Okay Yeah. Okay. So Lucia. Boorda was born in April eighteenth fourteen, eighty at soo-bok Bacharach near Rome and during her early life Lucchese. Her Education was entrusted to Audrey ANA or. Milan, who is a close confident of her father? She didn't seem to especially close with her mother and none of the kids were she just kind of like pop them out and then handed him over to Alexander and it was like whatever But Alexander doted on those kids he just loved them and he was the pope the most powerful man in kristen dumb. So they were afforded quite a lot of luxuries shore her education specifically would primarily take place in the Piazza pizza then mayor low building adjacent to her father's residents and unlike most educated women for time for whom convents were the primary source for knowledge her education came from within the sphere of intellectuals in the court and close relatives and it included a solid grounding in the humanities which the Catholic Church at the time was reviving. She was a thoroughly accomplished princess. She was fluent in Spanish Kaplon Italian and French, which obviously prepared her for advantageous marriages to any European monarch and she was literate in both Latin and Greek She would also become proficient in the loot poetry and oration, but the biggest testament to her intelligence capability in administration. Later in life, she would take care of Vatican City correspondence and the governance of. which we'll talk about. Pope Alex. you took care of his five kids. He made Giovanni the Duke of Ganga and he promoted chase at eight to the position of. Bishop. Pamplona. At the age of fifteen. Do you have gone? Gandhi The Duke of Ganga but he was the eldest. So you know he was looking to go. You know what I'm talking about. So Chase today was supposed to be like like. Giovanni was going to be like the. Successful he was gonNA make like super huge political strides. Chase Day was going to be like I'm going to be in the church I'm GonNa Continue My dad's you know. And he even managed to snag a prestigious marriage for fray. A young noblewoman named Sancho. So if anybody watches game of thrones and You have joffrey in Jan.. So. Much. Yeah. It didn't come out of nowhere. So -Tario definitely brought that up. Like we see you George. So, here's the cool thing despite the fact that during the renaissance women were meant for marriage only and wealthy women's specifically were meant to be married offer political game Alexander recognized that locates was smart and capable and had a natural talent for leadership. However. Don't get me wrong. He's still used her to create political ties with influential men families. So to wit after a couple of false starts with two engagements, fell through Alexander managed to snag and engagement to lucrative that stuck. So the third time was the charm and her engagement to Giovani's foresaw `illegitimate' son of account managed to stick. they were married on June twelfth fourteen, ninety three lucrative having just celebrated her thirteenth birthday. Giovanni was twenty eight. Gross. So this forces were powerful allies of Alexander and they'd helped him secure papal throne, and so he wanted to reward them. However. This was not meant to last match. Okay. So. Essentially, what An -Tario gets into much better detail and much more hilariously than I ferdinand the first king of Naples died. and. Pope Alec secured his son's claim to the throne. So he was like, okay, I'm the pope. The son of Ferdie is going to get to be thinking of Naples as opposed to King Charles the eighth of France. who also wanted it but had like more suspicious is to it. However. This took ticked off Lucas husband Giovanni whose family this forces were the traditional enemies of the royal family of Naples. So. This obviously created some tension and it was the beginning of the end of the sports a Porsche. So in fourteen, ninety, six lucrative returned to Rome. Jauffret fray and Sancho made it back in May and Giovanni joined the clan August. Eighteen year old sancho allegedly began having an affair with either one or both of her husband's brother's probably because her fourteen year old husband had not reached puberty at. Okay. Also, Sancho became close friends with lucrative and the two of them scandalized Rome by Like Gossiping ensure and like playing pranks on people and like all the stuff. So they were like a menace. So the pope decided he was going to have Giovanni killed, Luke Gracia's husband. He was like I'm sick of this guy he's not making my life. Any easier. But lucrative heard about this from her chase at a and she told her husband and he fled Rome he like I'm out of here. So. Then Alexander was like. All right. Well, I guess I can't kill him. So I'm going to negotiate my way out of this marriage which he was very good at. However. Trying to convince Giovanni to agree to an annulment was difficult because he refused. So Alexander Basically said the marriage was invalid. Thanks to non consummation because. CHOVANEC people didn't work. He was like He's impotent. So obviously, it didn't work clearly. So Giovanni was very bad because he was I have great penis. It's the best penis people tell me all the time. He accused Alexander of having sex with his daughter. which is the typical Italian like that's the way to turn it to eleven. Yeah. Just cranked to eleven. Oh Yeah. Will you're probably Boykin near dad done and that's like supposed to be the mic drop moment in Rome where people are like Really. So. Then Alexander was a get rid of this guy. So they offered her dowry in return for his Cup cooperation. We'll leave you the money just sign this paper. It'll be fine. So He. Officially signed. Confessions of impotence and documents of annulment before witnesses. So he basically had to like sign in front of. Like I can't get it on Giovanni. And then have a bunch of people say, Yep, that's dumb. True. So There has been speculation during that they prolonged process of the annulment lucy consummated a relationship with someone. Perhaps Alexander's Chamberlain. Pedro Calderon also named. Though. which is his Italian nickname s you can match him. So in any case, families hostile to the later accused her of being pregnant at the time of her marriage was annulled for non consummation so they're like. How can this is not work if she's pregnant Tell me that two and two together. Exactly. So she is known to have retired to the convent of sense. Sisto in June fourteen, ninety seven to await the outcome of the annulment proceedings. cutty very devout girl bet they had some great murals on the walls. To study just just be real shit quiet just be real quiet with the nuns. So the annulment proceedings were finalized in December of that year and less than two weeks after a lucrative ahead ensconced herself in the Wall Street San Sisto tragedy struck. Giovanni. Her older brother Giovanni Borgia disappeared after leaving a family dinner at his mother's house and his body turned up in the Tiber covered in stab wounds. which is terrible. So Pope Alex was distraught. Favorite son and he spent days shut in his room weeping and refusing all food and drink. Rumors about the murderers identities flu around Rome was it t retaliatory move from Giovanni's for Zahn is publicly maligned penis approach from An -Tario was that the family was it some whispered chase over the fact that he and Giovanni were competing for Sanchez attention no one really knew. But after just a week, they just stop trying to figure it out with that Oh. Yeah. Oh, well, he's gone but then the bodies of Pedro called her own and a maid who was punt the Salah was also found on the Tiber in February fourteen, ninety eight, they were stabbed to death thrown in the Tiber. wonder how that happened and then in March fourteen hundred. As a ambassador complained that lucrative had given birth, but this was denied by other sources care. Regardless, there was a baby, a mystery baby that was in the Borgia household. He was named Giovanni, but is known to historians as the Infants Roma's. So he was referred to as just the infant of Rome for a very long time, which is kind of creepy. Either way in fifteen o one when he was three two people, Bulls issued concerning the child came in the first how wow I know well, Alexander didn't have a lot going on. I'm very obsessed with my family even though there's a lot of infighting without city state to people bulls about a three year old basically. Yeah. Oh, that's the other thing about Italy should know about this time. So the reason why there is so much infighting and that people are like so Italy was not a unified country at this point and actually Italy wouldn't be unified until like the nineteenth century I think if not a little bit later. There are talion city states. So there were people states that the pope was in charge but not all of them. So not all of Italy was under the pope regardless if you're a an Italian citizen who was like who believed in the Pope or not like if you lived in a papal state, you were run by the pope. So there's a lot of infighting with all these political families to try and take over the city states. So that's why. But anyway, the first papal bull he was recognized as chase at his child from an affair before his marriage. So they're like, oh, it's chase his baby. The second contradictory Papal Bowl. Recognized him as the son of Pope Alexander the sixth which seems insane because the he released he's supposed to be chaste and married to Jesus. Yeah and he was like, don't worry. It's my baby Jay forget the first one correction retraction mine. Lucrative has not mentioned in either one of these pulse KKAT. And rumours that she was his mother had never been proven. So, and also the second papal bull was kept secret for many years. So Giovanni was basically assumed to be a son. So that's Giovanni. So within a month. Pope, Alexander like let's get lucrative Yata here. Let's get her married to somebody in. Let's get some stuff going on. So this was going to be the tits like this is going to be his big one. So the perspective groom was Alfonso of Aragon, who is the illegitimate son of the now abdicated king of Naples. He was also the brother to locate the old Pale. Sanchar. Okay. So lucrative wasn't the only people child with new prospects with the once promising Giovanni debt. Alexander. decided to pull as a made a cardinal out of the church and sent him on a more secular path to power. He was like, all right. You'RE GONNA take over for Giovanni. You're going to be my. My political guy out there yep. So Lucrative Alfonso were married in the summer of forty, nine, hundred, eight, a sumptuous nuptial zoo. She's like nineteen years old she's. Nothing she's she's still a kid. Chase at a ends up being Charlotte del Bray who has sister of the King of Navarra. Who happened to be the political enemy of Alfonso and Sancha? Enemy. Oh my gosh. So many enemies. So Alfonso was like well, Jeez, if you're GONNA marry my enemy that I gotta get Outta here. So he fled Rome And he left behind Luke Great. Zia who was six months into her second pregnancy of the year. After suffering in miscarriage in February, this is. Miscarry all the time. This poor girl could not keep a baby. It was very awful so. He wrote to look great say asking her to join him in Naples, but Alexander was like you're not going anywhere. So he appointed her governor of Spoleto. A position usually held by Cardinal. So he was like you can't be your husband but I'm GonNa make you super powerful how so she ended up being a competent leader and administrator, which is something that she ended up being really good at an actually really enjoying later in life. So then. Was Fifteen hundred. Sorry you're drinking at the time ever. Sorry. So Alfonso was buried in fifteen hundred he was probably murdered by chase at or one of his goons. Chase head recently allied himself with France about Naples. And rumors of incest sprang up again this time during that Shays it ahead killed lucrative husband out of jealousy because he really wanted her some even speculated that liquidity had been in on the crime, which is also like. This is where her bad reputation comes from that. She because her husband's just ended up just like keep saying they're dying or they keep getting kicked out or whatever, and she's and she kept going like. Now and people were like your a terrible person. which historically, she may not have been I. mean she was she aligned herself with their family like she wasn't completely innocent, but it was probably her brother's father who were doing most of the dirty work so. Lucia and. Had One child who was named Rodrigue go of Aragon and he was born in fourteen, ninety nine. So this very short marriage. Produced one child. So. We gotta talk about the banquet of Chestnuts Dino with the Bangladesh chestnuts is town sounds like a delightful Christmas doesn't it? Fun Like Cozy Berry Ling. Like guys come over. Over next weekend, we're having our banquet of chestnuts God see. This is not safe for work I'M GONNA. Tell you the next couple of thirty seconds to a minute is put. We're put the tag on Soda for Good Reason. So between her husband's lucrative may or may not have intended an infamous party that or may not have happened, which is called the banquet or the ballet of chestnuts. It was a party in. Rome. Particularly, a supper party purportedly held in the papal palace by. Chase at a Borja on October Thirtieth fifteen o one. An account of the banquet is preserved in a Latin diary. Johans Bouchard, but its accuracy is disputed. So these are my my. Disclaimers plumbers. So this is what he wrote. Quote on the evening of the last day of October fifteen o one at Barsha arranged a banquet in his chambers in the Vatican. With quote fifty honest prostitutes called courtesans who danced after dinner while the attendance and others were present at first in their garments than naked. After dinner, the candelabra with a burning candles or was taken from the tables and place on the floor and chestnuts were strewn around which the naked courtesans picked up creeping on hands and knees between the Chandeliers. Pope Chase A and a sister lucrative looked on. Finally prizes were announced for those who could performed the act most often with the courtesans such as tunics of silk, shoes Baratz and other things. So basically a banquet. Yeah. What a nice banquet. So got prizes for getting off the most with a bunch of Corazon switch is gross. Pope Dad with your Pope Dad and your little brother. Cool, cool cool. Totally normal. The Italians are gross. Historian Alexander Lee noted that quote the so-called banquet of chestnuts. ATTESTED ONLY Memoirs and is not only intrinsically implausible, but also dismissed as such by many contemporaries. So odds are this description was probably a little embellished maybe a little embellished probably meant to again discredit the bourges like they're foreigners are so like. They're so rave via sin depraved in like so against God. Would you ever support them like that kind of thing. So But I had mentioned the banquet of chestnuts because that is the thing most associated with the Porsche's. it was apparently, there was a depiction of it in the Bushes TV show. Like HBO would not. Learns Rolling. Her eyes is like of course, like a paid cable channel would be like. I'm going to put as much gross stuff in this I have my own opinions about. A rape et Cetera in paid TV anyway. So after the death of FONSECO. Lucrative. His father arranged a third marriage. He was like we gotta get you out there girl. Yeah. It's tire clocks the ticket clock's ticking. So then she married Alfonso de stay. So her next second husband named Afonso Yeah her second husband named Alfonso but whatever she Like To remember to learn a new name. Yeah. So was the Ferrara. So he is. He's a weird guy. So she's twenty at this point. Okay. So Alfonso's main passions in life were artillery, pottery and brothels. First. Wife who was also a sports because everyone just intermarried everybody else. Had died in childbirth. Not that he cared that much because their relationship. was basically based around like just. They didn't particularly like each other which allowed him to look the other way when she began dressing as a man sleeping with women so She had her own thing going. According to at least one source afonso to march naked through the streets of. A sword in one hand and his peanuts clutched in the other. I mean who doesn't typical Thursday. You know what I'm talking about. So it seems though that they were a good match. There's more on this later but like it's very weird. So either way Lucia packed up and headed to Ferrara and she was forced to leave her two year old son Rodrigo behind okay. However, she stayed involved in his care as possible. She sent him letters and gifts, and she arranged his education to make sure that he was brought up properly. Unfortunately, he died at the age of twelve from fever, which is really really sad and she never saw him again. She never got to see him again. So on our way to Ferrara. Alfonso. Surprised her about halfway through the trip. As this was her first meeting, their first meeting they were married by proxy. As you do ya but they seem to like each other well enough. The rest of the dust as really loved her aside from. So sister Isabel who was unhappy in her own marriage to Francesco Gonzaga and was distrustful of Lucia partially because she. Her whole likes tease was. You know she wasn't happy in her marriage and so her hobby was just like meddling in other people's business basically. and. So she sent a spy to travel along with Lucchese and the worst thing that you could possibly say about her was that they kept stopping so that she can wash her hair she was like. She kept washing her beautiful golden hair. It didn't. She wasn't she famous for like having beautiful blonde hair. She had like perfectly beautiful rich thick. Hair that went down pastor and she took really good care of her hair because it was like her. She was also she had a great beautiful face. She was naturally beautiful. She had beautiful manners. You know she was a perfect renaissance woman because she was raised to be that way. But yeah, her golden hair was like like her thing. So is about hated her? Duke Arcola. The father who has Alphonso and Isabella's dad he was a little weird himself. It kind of ran in the family he collected famous nuns as you do. which was a bit of a tourist attraction at the time and he placed them in local convents what. So he would collect famous nuns like you know being of a primarily Catholic country he will be like. This is sister Mary Teresa Yeah She's best known for. Arranging. Flowers. Twitter her in my convent and people can come see her. So? Okay. Okay. So So to him nouns were like Pokemon. Exactly exactly. Nuns were POK mon four Duke Ethically, destig-. So like if he was. If Mother Teresa yes. Was Alive at the time. Yeah. She would have been his mu absolutely his mu I don't know what that means but I'm gonNA. Agree wholeheartedly I'm assuming that's something you really want. Yeah. Okay. Original one fifty one. Fifty one. Yeah. We've already had got shout out someone who I I'm sorry. I forgot your name but we're GonNa do a pokemon episode. We gotta do a pokemon episode. The listeners are crying out for one. Yeah. So I'M GONNA leave. Yeah. Yeah. Because I don't know original one, fifty one only. Yeah we're not doing. We're not doing extension packs. Sorry everybody because I know next to nothing about pokemon it was not something I did. Young Sidebar I've probably had like. Probably doesn't like five or six questions during the course of the guests that are on Pokemon. I'm sure I got all of them. Oh I think he I think you were able to. Snag it out. Of somewhere yeah. So. Yeah. Famous nuns equals pokemon for this. Guy Renaissance Italians. So. As brothers. And Ape Aletha were also charmed by their new sister-in-law hip Alito Lot. Another great name. Oh it's a great name. So. Meanwhile, Cheney was becoming more and more powerful. He was really getting into the groove. He ran rampant through the Italian states he was gaining territories for himself and France. So much so that Machiavelli who just happened to be around at the time was so impressed that he chased, it would serve as a major inspiration for the prince. Which is obviously as you know a classic on the art of Political Scheming. So that's another Nice Trivia thing interesting. Yeah. Chase a Borja was the inspiration one of the inspirations for the Prince. So as Chesser as power is increasing, Lucretia embarked on an affair with a poet named Pietro Bimbo who would later multitask to become a linguist and cardinal. And Alphonso Odessa was still regularly visiting brothels. So he wasn't exactly being a paragon of fidelity. So as much as crazy was fond of her husband his like. earthy ways weren't really like her thing. And she missed like the intellectual circuits that she used to. Partake in. So, one thing that and -Tario mentioned is that the letters between lucrative and bamboo would one day drive Lord Byron to such a Horny frenzy that he stole a lock of her hair from the archives in Milan which is a true story. and. He wrote about it. He was like, Oh my God. These letters were so good. I totally fell in love with her through time and I stole a lock of her hair from an archive, which is so Lord Byron. So gross like we should do an episode on him and just like. All. issue. We Valentine's Day episode Oh my God. That's such a good idea. Okay. We're doing doing Lord Byron for Valentine's Day it'll be a great anti Valentine's Day. So then here we go. All right summer fifteen or three Pope Alex. he comes down with a fever and dies Sala tip back then Oh. Yeah. Boom done chaser. They got the same thing he was like super sick too but he didn't die. The funeral unfortunately was a complete fiasco, the August heat bloated and putrefied his body. And couldn't even fit in the coffin. Oh God. So attendants had to roll it up in a carpet and shove it into the bucks. Just so gross. Hbo Put that in the Borjas probably right and his head was pro skull was probably caved in or something like that. Anyway. So cheches Josh's checking. GonNa did showtime put it in the Bushes I? Think I'M GONNA I figure after re Redo my statement. Is it showtime. Showtime HBO gives a Shit I never paid for it so. So whatever. So. Yeah. He get they finally get them in. They have a funeral whatever chase sees the writing on the wall like his dad was like the only thing is the thing that was keeping him. You know getting to do what he's doing. So He sends his troops into control the Conclave really quick and he forces the election of someone who support him as his father did. So he was like, let's get a new pope who's GonNa Support Me and let me keep doing what I'm doing. Unfortunately, for him and the eventually named Pope Pius the third he would have one of the shortest pontificates in history which was only twenty six days. With that's a rough go flush and women I knew Harrison. Yeah, exactly. So in the middle of this whole like roller coaster lucretia began having another affair this time with her brother in law Francesco Gonzaga who is married to Isabela's husband because she doesn't care about her life at all it seems now it's out of control. So then Duke Article Dies on January twenty, fifth fifty five and that makes fun. So the Duke of Ferrara. So he's risen in the ranks lucrative I became pregnant again. And she must have felt like, okay, things are coming together for me. She's she's a duchess she's carrying the Duke's air whose fingers crossed his a boy. Her family's of falling in favor right now but she's got like a new family. Chase. Today who situation cost her just a ton of trouble he tried to escape from prison only to be caught and sent to a better fortified stronghold and she began a letter writing campaign to free him and she appealed to anyone anyone she could possibly think of. And then the weather got warm and outbreak of the plague hit. FIDATOVA followed by drought that spoilt the crops so things are going terrible. Hundreds of people died each day from disease and hunger while the ruling class fled to their country estates as their want to do. Creates was also ill although they don't know if it was the plague or if because she was pregnancy related or something else but. As. This whole season continued on she continued her borderline delusional campaign to secure her brother's feet freedom. Even grew desperate enough to ask the new pope to release Chesnay. Who was the guy who took over from the guy? Who Only had twenty six days and he was like? No No. Thanks the guy who plotted against me no I'm all set. Thank you. So in early fifty, seven Lou crazy miscarried yet again and this time Alfonso de blamed her for carousing too much during carnival season, which is like excuse me. Yeah harmless season that will get you every third favourite season you know for. Oh. Okay Yeah Yeah Awards PUMPING SPICE CORRAL CARNIVAL CARNIVAL SEASON Yeah exactly. So then two months later today escapes prison again. But then he he was stabbed to death and he was stripped and he left to dialogue thrown in the. Thrown in the Tiber probably I mean let's be honest. So she has no more. No morella know more relatives basically. So the Italian Charles, the eighth had begun fifteen years earlier were still ongoing Alfonso was absent from the fifteen nine until fifteen twelve because he's out there fighting. Lucrative remained in Harare, and once again used her talents and leadership and administration that she first began exit exercising in. Spoleto. So, Alfonso meanwhile proved to be able soldier and tactician. So, Afonso managed to get his hands on a statue of Julius that Michelangelo had made, which he promptly melted down and forged into a cannon he called La Julia. All except for the head which he stuck on a pike, which of course you're going to do. So the fighting was near-constant. Both sides suffered heavy casualties in the midst of all this lucrative I gave birth to another son named. IPPOLITO cardinale uncle. And the war dragged on until Easter Sunday fifteen twelve when a decisive battle took place outside Ravenna at which an estimated ten thousand men were killed. However it was a significant win, for Alfonso Estee whose innovative approach to artillery carried the day because he was all about those cannons so. The Duke finally returned to Ferrara after all this fighting, he manages to win and three months later Alfonso de traveled to. Rome where. The pope basically was like fine and gave him absolution. He was fine fine. Secretly. Though the pope was still determined to take Dada. However for him, alas, he died on February twenty first fifteen thirteen before any of us plots could come to fruition. Lucretia and the Desk Day family one and it was a victory that shape the papacy for years to come. Because, among those they took prisoner during the battle prevent was Cardinal Giovanni they met Achie-. Be Leo the tenth as well as great uncle to note noted. Queen Catherine. Domenici. which we keep saying we're going to do. Just doing it's just it's just going to be long. I. Mean. That's the thing like you can't just talk about Catherine Domenici without talking about all the metis. Yeah. You can't just talk about creates the abortion without talking about all the more shows. It's one of those things. So soon enough he would begin orchestrating his own porsche schemes making the MEDICI name at least as infamous if not more. So, in spite of her various indiscretions, lucrative had always been a very good Catholic girl after leaving Rome, she would retreat to convince during difficult periods every time she would have a something terrible happened in her family every time she had a miscarriage child would die. She would run to a convent in like that would be like, let's safe space yeah. So as she got older, she became even more devout. And obviously her personal losses definitely played a big part in this she had eight pregnancies with all phone. So but only four children survived. In fifteen eighteen phone. So Desta was summoned by the French king to attend a meeting between the French and English crowns, and during his absence Lucretia, who was in the early months of yet another pregnancy was left to govern. In her own name and once again she killed it, she didn't amazing job. And by this time she and her husband had developed a powerful mutual admiration. And by this point, her relationship with Francesco Gonzaga was no longer a thing and discovered that their strengths and talents complemented each other. So they kind of like grew into like a pretty decent marriage for you know something that was super fucks up to begin with. This final pregnancy was another just terrible one. By, June lucrative was barely able to eat and soon, doctors decided to induce. Labor to save her life, which can you even imagine what inducing Labor was like in the renaissance like? So, awful are Baram sort of bug involve. Like bleeding her like stabbing her in the stomach or something I have no idea. So they broke her water. And on June fourteenth, she gave birth to a daughter so weak that will fund. So devastating rushed to have her baptized. And as was predicted, tiny Isabella Maria did not survive and at first lucrative seemed to improve. But on June twentieth or health went into steep decline, she began to have seizures and blood poured from her nose the doctors cut off her hair and blood her but she continued to worsen losing the ability to see happy with their like she's having seizures we'll give her a haircut. Yeah I. Think it has it was along the same lines as like bleeding people like cutting off your hair was supposed to remove the toxins from your body or something but like insult injury like her blond hair was like the one thing. So, on June twenty second she rallied and those around our hope she might make a full recovery but Lucretia, she knew the end was near. So she wrote a letter to Pope Leo the tenth asking him to pray for her and two days later, the seizure started again and that night just two months after her thirty ninth birthday she died. Was Awful. So Alfonso Desta had barely left lucrative aside during her illness and was inconsolable after her death in a letter written shortly after he described her as a sweet dear companion and spoke of the tender love that was between us in another he said that he was left in the greatest imaginable anguish what began as a political match had turned into a loving marriage and he could not imagine life without her. So that is the crazy and kind of beautiful story of lucrative Porsche. Poisonings. Yea She didn't really poison people. The other were all these. These rumors that she had this hollow ring that she used like poison people but she didn't poison people. The borsch is probably did they probably poisoned people? Who Garden that they like cultivated all the poison plants from all of the websites. Ask the MEDICI there. The poisoners you gotTa Watch out for those managers. So we'll do the MEDICI soon. So my quiz today is called on Quiz Soup L. Cooney Eliana TOFA Mosey. It's entirely in Italian no, it's schoolbook a quiz on some very famous Italians. Question Number One This famous. Italian. Designer was thrust into the spotlight after the murder of her brother. Now, she's the chief creative officers of a multi-million dollar fashion house and the subject of a Gaga. Song who is she? Question number two, the three tenors were popular operatic singing group of stars that consisted of well three tenors. Two of them were Spanish but one, he was the most famous one of all and of course was Italian. Can you name him? Questionable. Three foot co Fellini is one of the most influential and famous Italian directors of cinema films of his include La Dolch Evita, less Thera, and this film which was ranked as the tenth greatest film by sight and sound magazine. What is this film? Its title refers to the number of films he had finished up to that point and has nothing to do with nine and a half weeks. Question before this. Gorgeous. Italian. Actress and singer once reportedly said about her body everything you see, I owe to spaghetti I really should eat more spaghetti than who is this Neopolitan Beauty Question number five, this oily Italian politician and media tycoon was convicted of tax fraud in two thousand thirteen after he served nine years as prime minister, the longest post-war term held in Italy. The. Tax Fraud was just one in a long list of scandals and illegal dealings. This guy has had who is this bigalow cat so That means Little Dick. Question number. Six Another famous blind Italian singer is known for his songwriting famous duet with selene. Dion who once said of him if God would have a singing voice, he must sound a lot like him. Elizabeth Taylor, said, my mind my soul were transported by his beauty has voiced his inner being God has kissed this man and I thank God for it. Who is this opera singer? Question number seven, this saint one of the patrons of Italy along with Catherine of Sienna is also best known as the patron saint of animals and who pope frank took his people name from who is the saint. Question Number Eight, true or false famous Italian American Robert. Deniro was actually born with an even more Super Italian last name and took Deniro as his stage name. Question Nine. This film producer is most famous for working almost exclusively on the James Bond film franchise making her and her family, a lot of money who is this producer who doesn't have anything to do with a hated BRASSICA. And finally question number ten, I'm going to name four actors and you're going to tell me if. Are Not Italian. One Hulk Hogan To Jason Schwartzman. Three Henry Winkler. Or Four Nicole Policcy Aka. We'll give you a minute to think about it and we'll be right back with your answers. Oh. Girl went. To not only. Because she missed the scenery. The native down on the chiming saw. But wait a minute some things raw. Mum, mortality. Mumbo. Jumbo. All you Calabrese do the Mambo like a crazy where they. Don't want to tout and. No modern. Mom Mortality Try and Enchilada with the Fisher. Buckle But take some other spies on learn how to. Be. A GONNA GONNA. Mumble. Palm. Mumbo. Shagen Kajiya. You get happy in the defeat. So your mom. Quiz Korea Italian immortal firm Mosey. Holding my fingers like I am. Being ching-li game pinching things being cheerleader bit of Basil for the Marinara Salads. Or go anyway. Question number one this famous Italian designer thrust into the spotlight after the murder of her brother. Now, she's the chief creative officer of a multi-million dollar fashion house and the subject of a Gaga Song who issue Donatella Vesak. Side she her brother. Johnny. Who was murdered in nineteen ninety seven was the one who persuaded her to dye her hair blonde at just eleven years old roof. So she died her started dye your hair blond at eleven and then never stopped. which has got to be tough on. It can't feel like hair. More. nope. She's got a lot of money but that's that's haystack hair right there I don't care who you are. Question number two, the three tenors were a popular operatic singing group of stars that consisted of well three tenors two of them were Spanish. But one. He was the most famous one of all, and of course was Italian can you name him? Plus a Bill Domingo no Placido Domingo was Spanish right the other guys they. Are those tenors. and. I don't remember I need the other Tetris. Luciano Pavarotti. Other guy. Yeah. The other guy. So the other two were blessing Placido Domingo and Jose. Cut US. So two Spanish ones are placido. Domingo and Jose. Cut US. So the trio began their collaboration with performance at the should baths up cat Assadullah in Rome. On July seventh ninety at the eve of the one, thousand, nine, hundred, a World Cup final, which was watched by a global television audience of around eight hundred million. So the recording of this debut concert became the best selling classical album of all time and lead to additional performances and live albums. As you can imagine, they performed to a global television audience at three further World Cup finals ninety four in Los Angeles. Ninety eight in Paris in two thousand and two Oklahoma they also toured other cities around the world usually performing in stadiums or similar large arenas to huge audiences. Can you imagine go into a stadium? The listen to three three guys sing at opera I I mean. They sang so beautifully people of it. You know they were in trance 't by their incredible voices can you see the people of Philadelphia filling? Link to watch three. So beautiful some mccrie. I get a little teary when they when they sink to me Water they last performed together at an arena in Columbus Ohio of places in September of two, thousand three. I mean, die no I think it was just like one of their on. I think one of them died. That may have been it. I'll look it up later. Wish number three. Federal. Rico Fellini is one of the most influential and famous Italian directors of a which is for cinema films of his include La Dolce. Vita Lastra and this film which was ranked as the tenth greatest film by Sight and sound magazine. What is this film? Its title refers to the number of films he had finished up to that point and has nothing do with nine and a half weeks? I don't think I have the slightest clue. So apparently. I. Have Never seen this, but it's a very important movie in film history it's eight and a half. So made in nineteen, sixty three. So the title basically means this was his eight eight and a half movie. Okay. Yeah. Since one of his films was a collaboration with Alberto Tuta. So sorry to Wada. It's about famous Italian film director who suffers from stifled creativity as he attempts to direct an epic science fiction film and it's shot in black and white, but it's you know it's criterion. I knew shot in black and white, and I knew the Doce Vita. Yeah. Eight and a half is like the like the art house classic apparently. Okay question number four. This goat of just Italian actress and singer once reportedly said about her body everything you see I owe to spaghetti the I really should eat more spaghetti than who is this neopolitan beauty you have A poster. Yes. In my living room. and. I think I'm just GONNA. Say. Iran you are corrected is feel around. Turns out you actually say that. So she said to an interviewer in two thousand, fifteen not Avai, which means it's not true. It's such a silly thing. She also had an affair with Carey grant before she married Carlo Ponti in Nineteen Sixty six who she was married to until he died in two thousand seven they had like three kids and had like a perfectly nice marriage although they met when she was sixteen and he was thirty seven. Sur. Could be its own little radio. Read it thing yeah. Absolutely. Share the same thing. Question number five, this oily Italian politician and media tycoon was convicted of tax fraud in two thousand thirteen after he served nine years as prime minister longest post-war term held in Italy. The tax fraud was just one in a long list of scandals illegal dealings. This guy has had, who is this big Goroka? Is this a burlesque own? It is Silvio Berlusconi his shady dealings could be an entire episode, but I will mention this is my favorite. On July thirteenth two thousand eleven according to a leaked telephone surveillance transcript. Berlusconi. told his presumed blackmailer vaulter lava. Tola. The. Only thing they can say about me is that I screw around and now they're spying on me controlling my phone the cause I, don't give a fuck in a few months I believe the sheet contrary that makes me sick. He was such an asshole. He is such an Asshole I should say. Okay. Question Number six, another famous blind Italian singer is known for his songwriting a famous duet with Celine Dion. Who Once said of him? He's got a great voice. Blah. Blah Blah Elizabeth. Taylor was like Oh my God God kissed this man right on the lips who is this opera singer? Andreas Butch. Andrea Bocelli. He is polarizing however apparently while he is a competent singer with a unique sound, he is not considered a real opera singer because his voice is very strong and he doesn't have a lot of control. So The New York Times Music critic Bernard Holland noted quote quote the tone is rasping thin an general poorly supported even the most modest upward movement thins at even more signaling would appears to be the onset of strangulation. I heard he's not even blind. To his credit Mr Buccellati sings mostly in tune but his phrasing tends toward carelessness and rhythmic jumble. The diction is not clear. Furthermore, he observed that quote the critics duty is to report that. Mr Bowe Shelly is not a very good singer. which is like scandal at my aunt Donna. would be up in arms harsh. She heard that here's the other thing that I learned about Andrea Bocelli this insane he convinced. The government of his hometown. To, create bilden create the Theocro Cilento the theater of silence. So he performed it's an outdoor theatre, performs there once a year and then every other three, hundred, sixty, four days, it remains empty and silent. So he built, he made them build an entire theater just for him to sing in it once a year, and then no one else is allowed to use it, which is like what you're crazy. Anyway. Question number seven this saint, one of the patrons of Italy along with Catherine of Sienna is also best known as the patron saint of animals and who pope frank took his people name from who is the saint. Saint Francis of Assisi. Yes Saint. Francis of Assisi, he became a saint just two years after his death in twelve twenty eight. Very quick. Yeah. By Pope Gregory the ninth just as an FYI also after pope frank was elected the night he took a bus back to his hotel with the cardinals rather than be driven in the car. So Pope Frank is now the pope and it's fine. I'll take the bus nope no big deal. Love Pope Frank. Question Number Eight, true or false famous italian-american Robert. Deniro was actually born with an even more Super Italian last name and took Deniro stage name. I will say. It is false. He was born Robert Anthony Deniro Junior. Entirely Italian which is like what the Hell Anyway His dad was an abstract expressionist artists born in. Syracuse. And laughed when Robert was too because he realized he was gay he's got his whole thing but a very competent artists I will say. Question number nine. This film producer is most famous working almost exclusively on the James Bond film franchise making her in her family a lot of money who is this producer who doesn't have anything to do with the hated BRASSICA insys Barbara. Rockabilly is Barbara Broccoli Her dad whose name was Albert Broccoli Cubby Broccoli. That was his nickname as friends called him cubby. Film producer, he was super close friends with Howard Hughes, which is wild Howard. Hughes is all easily everywhere. He's like he's like Alice Cooper twenties on Watergate. There were all kinds of things. Howard. Hughes paid a guy who did this thing that? Nixon so I I had to leave all that Oh sure. Yeah. Because I was just been talking forever. But yeah. Howard Hughes was Alice Cooper of the Mid Twentieth Century Right Yeah I mean I'm sure there's there's got to be some link between the two of them and then and then it's all over everything for lives in Howard uses at. I. We're going to be like that. To. US Yet. Upset especially since he knows us and he can hear us I'm surprised I haven't gotten a phone call from him yet. So you email come on yeah tweeted US Alice Yeah Episode Fo- Pot Alice Jeez. Anyway. Finally question number ten. I'm going to name four actors and you're going to tell me if their belly or not. You mean if they're Italian, if they're Italian or on. Talk Number One Hulk Hogan. No He is his. Given name is Terry Gino B`Aliya. Italian. Says Italian Bala Number two Jason Schwartzman. Now, he is his mom's Talia Shire. She was Connie in the Godfather. She's the sister against them by her husband is a terrible scene. Anyway but he gets is his I know that was his mom I know isn't that interesting? I didn't know that either. Okay. Number. Three Henry Winkler No. No He's German Jewish and Finally Number Four Nicole Policcy Aka snooky no no, she's Chilean she was adopted by Italian Americans. So. That is my quiz about some Fratelli. DONAL and buys on is on a Oh a away. So. Thanks so much for listening is we hope you enjoyed it. We should definitely do a made achie- episode at some point. We'll figure it out on the lookout be on the lookout also be able to look out for our cheese episode, and now we got a lot when we tossed off that idea of. A long at all like a random. Yeah. That's a good idea courted at some point in early June, and then whenever that episode came out that we mentioned it, we got like more. Oh My. People yeah. People were like great episode. Whatever I'M GONNA do I'm GonNa Cheese episode I will listen and cheese she's along says long at home. Yeah. So we will. We will do this to Brighton however terrible winters are yes. That's coming. So we will. We'll probably let you know like the week before so that you can get that on the Grocery Oh. Yeah. Yes. We will give you a list of cheeses. They will be a nice mix of different kinds of cheese nothing too expensive now. Even. So your local greengrocer will be able to sell you like a tiny wedge of bree or something for like pennies on the dollar, but we'll figure it out. We'll figure out a way to do it well, meanwhile, we'll be doing a lot of research on that episode. It'll be tough but. We've got to do for you guys. Anyway thanks so much for listening to you guys. Yes, they aren't you and and will listen to. We will listen to you. You'll listen to us. And we listen to each other havoc. Oh man it's all over for you. It's done stunned for Joel. Up For many hours. Glasses of wine. So over it's over. All right, we love you. Good. Bye.

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"The although I imagine talking you'll listen to your stories on monocle twenty four brought to you by the team behind the urban est the show all about the cities we live in a batch a beach house a holiday home them or a crib. The name may change but for most New Zealanders the building itself plays a leading role in summer vacations gone by so is the modern equivalent of this kiwi dream looking more and more out of reach h this week's tall storey markle's David Stevens takes us on a trip down memory lane to why Kenai beach to his very own family batch. If you can't see the beach you can definitely feel it. It's an ear so heavy with so you can taste on your lips or in the sand of crashing waves from behind the tree line besides everything is swept with sand the bet garden callixte deposits when the wind whips up enough so does the spot by the door where you take off your shoes after an evening running through the June's Kiwi batch breeds. Rates and out with the tides and New Zealand is never really far from the ocean. The father's point in the country is still listed one hundred twenty kilometers from the shore Kiwis as who move off the island somehow end up even closer to the water holding it somewhere in the pit of this stomach or the base of the spine my family bitch or the Beach House is we called. It still has memories living inside it even long after it was sold it has my first jellyfish sting in my wisdom of a splinter. Someone really should've sanded that Dick Don's parties in the living room with my granddad and staying up late to see in the two thousand on TV only made it team P._M.. Mini Kiwis hold similar hazy pieced together memories of their own holiday homes and while the numbers Mary differently on the novelty beach theme litterbox the sentiment remains the same the holiday harm is an ad C._n._a.. But we did this particular holiday trope come from news even does want to see the result of victory in order programs in in a better standard of living forever renews. They want homes what a home is the basis of the simple things but made victory worthwhile the things that men gave their lives for postwar to the country experienced a building bone the fifties. Fifties also brought about road improvements bit connecting the small sand swift towns of the coast to the city. It was the Pacific recipe for this particular brand of middle-class holiday making to take hold and the country the properties would pass down three generations while the collection of Tom Joins records grew in the puzzle pieces seem to finish and it's not uncommon for generations of memories to reside within the same foibles tides go out bubbles best in the country now faces a housing shortage. The average Kiwi can hardly defend earning house that lived in three weeks out of the year the newest generation of family making New Zealand is a having to consider a life lived without even owning one home they aligned to so what can you do well. You could book beachside aside Airbnb but the result is a bit too clinical. That's not your collection of driftwood assembled on the window so you don't know the six clubs as missing from that pack of Qods how to get hot water in the shower just right after chilly debt and the Pacific off besides you WanNa get to know your occasional neighbors just as well as city ones you need to Mr Hannan to throw your cricket Baalbek when your uncle hits another six over the fence or Mrs Bradley Two. What are your front garden in the flower beds are looking particularly patched? Doc without them the places just a quiet. It's unclear if the prospect of earning a holiday heim return anytime soon for generation of property challenge twenty-somethings or the holiday industry will win out and turn this element of national identity into a series of Solis coastal motels. Perhaps what we can do is take part in a bit of urban rebellion to bring a sense of beach house living to own apartments off. Let's admits embrace the temperamental Stove Top's and incomplete puzzles and let's bring a little bit of the batch Beckham Venus into tall stories are monocle twenty four production. I thanks David Stevens for today's episode. Remember tune in every Thursday for the full thirty minute edition of the thinnest. Imagine Talk Goodbye thank you for Listening City Lovers Louis why not take a wonder into the wonderful world of Monaco with an annual print subscription. You'll receive chief tennis shoes of the magazine. A year plus are seasonal specials. The forecast and the escapist subscribes to our one year plus and premium package is also receive our new annual the Monaco drinking and dining directory and that's not all age of our plans.

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Best of 2019: Emperor Commodus Pt. 2

Assassinations

32:31 min | 1 year ago

Best of 2019: Emperor Commodus Pt. 2

"Roman Emperor Communists had wanted to inaugurate the New Year of one ninety. Three by emerging from the gladiator's eaters barracks clad in armor leading a charge of the city's fiercest warriors he'd shirked the traditional purple robes of royalty. He wanted everyone to know he wasn't like other emperors. He was undefeatable instead in the final hours of the year. One Ninety two. The gladiator king was strangled by the very man who taught him to fight as communist Gurgle his last breath. Narcissus pulled his arm from the emperor's neck. He slipped beneath the bathwater. His bloodshot eyes looking up at his assassins. Like a gutted fish. Narcissus looked back at Marsha who was still holding the bottle of poison wine. The emperor was finally dead but his legions of soldiers. The jurors were not. If MARSHA and Narcissus didn't act fast they would be the next targets for assassination. Aw One death can change the world. At least that's what assassins believe breath. Welcome to assassinations on the par cast network every Monday. We examined the famous assassins of history and the men and women who were assassinated. I'm I'm your host bill. Thomas and I'm your host Kate Leonard. This is our second episode on the Roman Emperor Communists who was killed by his mistress Marcia Marsha and his trusted wrestling coach Narcissus at podcast. We're grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at Har Cast Network. And if you enjoy today's episode the best way to help us is to. I believe a five star review. Wherever you're listening it really does help us? We also now have merch head to park cast dot com slash merch for more information emperor. Communists is rule was the beginning of the end end for the Roman Empire in the last years of his reign. His deepening paranoia had caused him to start executing people at a whim. Aristocrats STA Kratz statesmen even his own advisers his favourite mistress. Marcia had been the only one able to temper his insanity but even his patients for her wore thin when Marsha discovered her own name at the top of Communist is kill list. She devised a plan to save herself from the emperors madness but even with Communist gone Marsha and her co-conspirators. Were still in great danger. Everyone in Rome hated did accommodates everyone that is except for his soldiers under his corrupt rule. They were allowed to indulge in all the looting violence and and debauchery they desired. They didn't want anyone to take their benefactor away from them. Soldiers warn calmness about every previous attempt on his life and and insured the would be assassins. Were punished if they discovered Marsha and Narcissus at the scene of the murder they would meet out swift and brutal revenge. Early on New Year's Day in one ninety three Marsha and nurses summoned to collect dues the Chamberlain and lightouse the head of the PRAETORIAN Orien- guard they'd been in on the assassination plan. Their names were on the top of the execution list. To now it was their time to help. Excellent twos knew they had to dispose of the evidence before anything else could be done. But how are they going to smuggle the emperor's body out of a palace crawling with soldiers collect do summoned his loyal servants and told them to bring the emperor's dirty bed linens they wrapped communists in sheets and heaped him into a basket ask of dirty laundry. It was the early hours of the morning. The Palace guards were half asleep wearily leaning on their spears. No one batted an eye as the two. Slaves hurried past with an unusually large pile of laundry communists who had come into the world swaddled in the purple robes of royalty was carried read out of his palace in sheets filthy with his own bile once outside. They did the body into a wagon and road to the outskirts of the city when they they were far enough out they none of the heap of sheets into a gully and left it for the wild animals back at the palace Marsha ECLECTIC use in lightouse had moved on to the next problem. Explaining Communists is sudden death after some debate they came to the perfect solution. He died of a stroke. Anyone would believe that. With his heavy drinking and constant orgies he'd been in less than ideal health for a while now but before. They made the announcement they needed to have someone ready to fill the power vacuum someone with the wisdom and experience to restore Rome to its former glory. Three and someone who wouldn't investigate the fallen emperors death to thoroughly. They decided to seek out pertinent X.. Pertinence was the the urban prefect essentially the city administrator of Rome he was a former senator. A renowned military hero and most notably the last last-surviving advisor who'd been appointed by communists his father. Marcus Aurelius the rest. Had already been executed Percha next was universally universally loved and he lived humbly in borderline poverty. He was the perfect antidote to communist says extravagances so the conspirators slipped into to the night and made haste to per taxes house. Once they're they rattled the gate waking the porter who dozed off at his post. When the Porter quarter saw? Light who's the commander of the Praetorian Guard. Standing at the gate he immediately ran inside and woke up pertinent X.. Purchase Curtin acts and the porter came to the same conclusion. Communist guards had finally come to kill him. Personnel had watched as communists executed several of his advisors observers. He'd been expecting his own time to come sooner or later per tenax told the porter to let the visitors in. He didn't even get out of bed he he might as well be comfortable for the last moments of his life. When Marsha ECLECTIC and light tubes came in they found pertinence reclining in bed utterly serene serene he said quote for a long time? Now I've been waiting for my life to end in this fashion and I was surprised that communist was so slow to the act against me. Why do you delay you will be carrying out your orders? And I will be relieved from degrading hope and constant fear the conspirators conspirators had no idea what he was talking about light. WHO's tried to explain? They weren't there to kill him. Actually they just killed communists and and they wanted pertinent to step up as emperor perch next didn't believe them he thought they were taunting an old man before cutting him down in his bed. o'clock deuce pulled a tablet from his robes. He said if you don't believe what we say. Read this tablet. You Know Communists. His handwriting you see see it. Regularly pertinent held the tablet to a candle. It was a list of names to be executed in communist is unmistakable handwriting. Sure enough at at the top of the list were Marcia. lightouse and a click tubes now he believed them pertinent set the tablet down. He was over sixty years years old in failing health and had no aspiration to the throne but he devoted his entire life to serving Rome. And if this was his duty eighty so be it once per Tadesse agreed to be the new emperor. The next step was to break the news to the soldiers. Lie To took the responsibility for that. One since he was the commander of the Praetorian Guard. The others wanted to be there to to see how they responded. Before they set out for the Praetorian Taurean camp they sent a messenger to the Senate to inform them of communist his death even if the soldiers revolted they knew the senators would be overjoyed. Overjoyed at the news. It was nearly daybreak and some of the citizens were already awake preparing for the New Year's festivities word spread quickly through the streets. That communist was dead and pertinent was taking over before dawn. The streets were a buzz with people shouting. The tyrant is dead. The gladiator is slain. Nine by the time per-tax lightouse ECLECTIC. DEUCE and Marsha walked into the Praetorian camp. Thousands of common people had gathered there our to quell any uprising from the soldiers. Light to send pertinence marched through. The joyful crowd gathered the soldiers and called them to attention. Then why twos told them quote. Commodore Your Emperor is dead of Apoplexy. You know the way. He lived his life now he lies dead choked by his own gluttony in place of combat. US We bring you a man respected for his years temperate in his way of life and and renowned for his courageous exploits. Now Fortune is giving you an emperor who is also a kindly father to you at that. The citizens exploded into into applause. After twelve years of fear and chaos. They were finally free. Order would be restored at last. The soldier stared up at personnel with cold. Narrow is he met their gaze unflinching. The older soldiers remembered pertinent with fondness. They'd they'd served with him long before. Communists came to power but there were only a few of the old guard left and the younger soldiers didn't WanNA respected temperate leader cutting off their their lifestyle of excess but the soldiers were few compared to the civilians and they were unarmed. The flood of people surrounded them cheering in support of pertinent six. The thunder of their voices drowned out any discontent from the military men. One by one. The soldiers begrudgingly touchingly joined in the throng proclaiming pertinent ex emperor. A wreath of laurels was passed through the crowd and placed on the new emperor's head as the sun finally rose on the first day of January. One ninety-three pertinent led the people and the soldiers in procession to the Imperial Palace in the streets. The people gave thanks to the Gods and called for communist his body to be dragged through the city on hooks her to Knox entered the Senate house where the senators were already gathered. The immediately turned and erupted in praise. One senator took his hand and led him to the throne pertinence. I beg the men to let him decline the position but they're cheering wouldn't subside. The old man lowered himself onto the throne and delivered his first address unquote. No ordinary task. Awaits me improving myself worthy of such an honor. Those who have grown accustomed to reveling in the extravagant excesses of tyranny not only object to any change toward a more moderate and more economical way of life but they rejected as a mean and wretched way to live. And and so you must cooperate with me and consider the management of the empire as a joint enterprise and you must entertain high hopes of living under an aristocracy. I see not under a tyranny. The Senate burst into applause. Pertinent was escorted into the Imperial Palace to begin his rain. Marsha took a deep breath letting go of the years of fear and exhaustion. She'd felt that Communists aside now it was a click to standing by her side. A man she had literally trusted with her life after a lifetime spent as a mistress manipulating men from the shadows. She'd found someone she could call. Partner collect dues and Marsha were married a few weeks later the beginning of pertinent. His reign was a time of hope and peace for the Roman empire but they would soon discover that the empire was far from safe coming up. We'll take a look at pertinent his short time time as Emperor of Rome now back to the story after pertinent was sworn in as emperor on January first one ninety three three he went back to the Senate House and thanked lightouse for his role in taking comedy out of power as he was leaving. He was confronted by the console. Falco Falco said we may know what sort of an emperor you will be from this that we see behind you light. WHO's and Marsha the instruments of comedy Medicis crimes? The public still believed that Communists had died of a stroke. No one had any idea that lightouse and Marsha were far from the loyal sycophants that once appeared to be pert next replied. You are young console and do not know the necessity of obedience. They obeyed comedies. But as soon as they had an opportunity they showed what had always been their desire and with that the first seeds of doubt about the true nature of communist his death began to take root. As soon as pertinent took the throne he set to work writing his predecessors wrongs but he was afraid the people who had benefited from communists his corruption would be reluctant to accept change. Communists had shown no interest in actually running the empire. He'd left state matters to a string of ill-chosen advisers who sold government positions to the highest bidder. Returning Rome to some semblance of a functional government would be a massive undertaking for years. The army had roamed the streets harassing anyone who who challenged their authority pertinent X. immediately forbade the soldiers from carrying axes or attacking any Roman citizens they grumbled and discontent intent but obeyed for the most part since the Treasury was drained pertinent sold off communists personal property to fund the military. He also returned turn. Land Communist had seized from farmers and exempted them from taxes and all government duties for ten years by doing so he hoped to restore the faith between the government and private citizens that had been utterly destroyed over the past decade to honor the throne as a position of service rather than a personal power. Our pertinent didn't allow his name to be stamped on imperial property. He believed everything in the palace was the property of the people not the emperor. He also didn't allow his son to live in the Imperial Palace. If his natural air wanted to succeed him as emperor he was going to have to earn it in all ways pertinent proved to be a fair generous and morally upright ruler. Ironically his virtues proved to be his downfall the pretorious soldiers had tasted unchecked power and unlimited wealth under communist and they didn't take kindly and lead the new emperor's attempts to rein them in there was so much mutiny even lie to switch starting to regret using pertinent acts as emperor. There were also growing growing rumblings. That pertinent hadn't come to power by honest means. The soldiers were starting to wonder if compasses death was something more than a stroke. Doc perhaps for this reason light who's thought it was best to get rid of the unpopular emperor before the truth came out less than three months into taxes. Rain Lie to organized a conspiracy to remove him on March Twenty Eighth One ninety-three he marched two or three hundred soldiers to the Imperial Palace Alice rather than fight or flee per tenax came out to meet them. The soldiers stopped in their tracks. Surprised by his dignity standing right beside him was a collector's he'd risked his life to install a fair emperor and he'd risk his life defending him to pertinent spoke to them and said quote. It is inevitable that every man must die someday if you are still grieved at the death of Communis remember that it is hardly surprising that death caught up with him he was mortal but if you think his death was the result of treachery the blame does not lie with me me bring charges against someone else and quote. The soldiers began to put their swords away. The power of his words had swayed them. That is all of them except one. One soldier leaped forward and yelled the soldiers have sent you this sword the rest of the men and joined in rushing forward to attack pertinent at clipped who's drew his sword and fought back wounding a few of the soldiers but he was killed alongside the emperor he'd created per to nexus head was cut off and mounted on a spear after eighty seven days. Days is rain was over. The soldiers stood at the entrance of the Imperial Palace and announced that pertinence was dead. The people erupted in grief with pertinence. Gone so was any hope for the Roman Empire the soldiers then declared with brazen than shamelessness that the empire was up for sale. They would hand over the throne to the highest bidder. That offer made its way to a nobleman named hideous. CBS Giuliani's who was having a dinner party that evening. He'd been drinking heavily but he hurried to the walls of the army camp where the empire was being auctioned off. Giuliani's shouted up to the guard tower that he had boxes full of gold and silver. There was already a man inside. The camp offering a good bid did so the soldiers didn't want to let Giuliana sin until they knew he was serious they lower down a ladder and Giuliani's ambled up to confer with the soldiers he promised to revive communists. Memory and restore the PRAETORIAN guard to their former glory. He also promised to give them. Each five thousand centralises press' more than the other bidder had offered. This soldier shouted down to the other man. How much do you raise him? The barter for a while raising their bids by five thousand ancestors is at a time screaming their offers over the camps wall. Finally Giuliani's one out before nightfall. Giuliani Alanis was led to the Imperial Palace where pertinent XS corpse was still lying. This time the procession was met with public ridicule not celebration. The people were disgusted at how low the empire had fallen. The senators were disgusted to but they were too afraid to do anything about it. Concerned they'd be killed like pertinent. They paid their respects to the new emperor with careful composure. Outside the Senate House. A mob corrupted shouting that he'd stolen the Throne Giuliani's came out and offered them bribes to but the people chanted together. We don't unwanted. We won't take it. Giuliani has ordered that the protesters be slain by March thirtieth. One Ninety three Giuliani's formerly you became an emperor. He immediately returned the palace to the same drunken debauchery it had known under Communist. PERTINENCE is reforms were reversed wjr. The soldiers once again revelled in excess looting houses all day and drinking all night. The people still openly reviled Giuliani's but as long as the army was on his side. There was nothing to be done. This state of affairs lasted for about a week. And then the soldiers began to realize Juliani. This wasn't quite as rich as it claimed to be the drunken bids he'd offered them were far more than he was actually able to pay soon. The soldiers had join the civilians and mocking and insulting Giuliani's. Whenever he appeared in public there was now absolutely nothing protecting the emperor from removal hearing about the chaos in Rome generals from the provinces of Syria Britain and Pannonia saw an opportunity to seize power septicemia severance virus? Who in Pannonia was physically closest to Rome marched his army towards the city? Ready to take the throne by force. It had been less less than two weeks since Giuliani's became emperor when severance is troops arrived at the city gate. The Roman people were as the historian Herodian wrote understandably standardly dismayed by the unexpectedness of this development but they hated Giuliani's too so they didn't see the point in fighting back. The people greeted you did the invading forces with Laurel branches and welcomed them in Giuliani's fortified himself. In the palace he sent the PRAETORIAN soldiers out to meet severances army but they'd spent the past decade drinking and thieving not training for battle. They were too weak to put up much of a fight with the enemy. emme already in the city and the Senate soldiers and public turned against him. Giuliani's had no idea what to do. He grew paranoid just just like communist before him and like comedies. He put Marsha and lighters at the top of his execution list. It had long been suspected that Marcia Narcissus and lightouse were behind communist sudden demise and everyone knew that light who's had led the attack against pertinent Juliana sphere the old conspirators were plotting to overthrow him as well. In April of one ninety three Giuliana sent a platoon of soldiers gers to marshes home. It only been a couple weeks since collectors had been killed and Marsha had hoped to grieve him in peace but it appeared. She'd be joining her husband. Sooner than anticipated Marsha Narcissus and lightouse were halted the Imperial Palace and forced to their knees Julie. The honest stood before them and address the gathering crowd. He said that he was the strongest emperor to ever take the throne and that any citizen who pledged their loyalty to severance would be treated the same. As traitors who had killed communists Juliana s drew his gladys the Royal Sword Inlaid with gold was was only meant as a symbol of authority. It wasn't meant to draw blood but ever since communists had come to power. The Roman Empire had been ruled by blood. Marsha who had caused the fall of one. Mad King was killed by another incarnation of the same madness. The fate she'd she'd sought to avert was unavoidable. While Giuliani was executing communist assassins severances troops had reached the Senate House by the end of May. The senators voted to execute Giuliani's and install severance as emperor. He'd only ruled for sixty six EXC days. This was the third Roman emperor dead in only four months however the chaos was only beginning over the next few months. The Roman empire was torn apart as generals battled for control of the throne. One Ninety three became known as the year of the five emperors for the number of men who laid their brief claim to the throne after a few years of civil war. Severance came out the victor. In the early two hundred he restored a brief peace to the Roman Empire and was eventually succeeded by his two sons and two nephews all of whom were eventually assassinated but Rome was already on its way to collapse by two thirty five. The Empire's unity began to fracture leading to a period of near collapse called the crisis of the third century. By four seventy six Rome's western empire had totally fallen Communist says death marked the beginning of the darkest most chaotic chapter dirt in Rome's history. But what might have happened. If comedies hadn't been assassinated would the outcome have been any different. Aw coming up. We'll take a look at how history might have been changed if communists head lived now back to the story. Comedy is twelve year. Reign brought the Roman Empire to the brink of collapse but his assassination sparked a year of even more severe turmoil and civil war. It's hard to say whether anything would have ended differently if the assassination hadn't succeeded. Aw Communist was hated. By nearly everyone in the empire it's very likely that if the conspirators hadn't ended his life on December thirty first just one hundred eighty to someone else would have done the deed sooner or later but it wouldn't have happened before comets got around to killing everyone on his New Year's execution acution list which apart from his assassins included the newly elected consuls all the remaining advisors his father had appointed and many any prominent members of the Senate. It's quite possible that once communists had slaughtered all the other powerful statesman he would finally destroyed the Senate and declared himself the sole ruler of Rome returning the Empire's government to an absolute monarchy. That damage to the balance of power would have been extremely difficult to undo you. Even if communist was eventually removed without anyone to rein in comedy suspending the Empire would have continued to hemorrhage money. His extravagant lifestyle and poorly considered policies head already bankrupted. The treasury and the city's infrastructure had already been crippled by famine damn and fires communists had never shown any interest in governing. And if he let these problems continue to go unchecked Rome probably would have collapsed on itself solve within a matter of decades. If the empire didn't decay from the inside out it would have been decimated by an invading army during Warren. Communist is rain the barbarian forces in what would become modern day. Germany had begun attacking the Roman empires outlying provinces commoditised largely ignored this problem and left the generals stationed in the provinces to fend for themselves when September severance took power in one ninety the three he sent more forces to fight the barbarians fending off a full scale invasion without that support from the capital. It's likely the barbarians would have succeeded succeeded in overtaking Roman territory and if Rome itself was in disarray they may have overthrown the entire empire. This brings us to an interesting adding point. Once communist took the throne the eventual fate of the Roman empire was already sealed in the end. It may not have mattered. If if or when communists was removed from power He'd already set Rome on the slow path to collapse. The most serious impact of Commerce's rain was the normalization of corruption. As we saw in the months following his death once Rome was used to bribery the execution want and spending it was impossible to steer the course back to the way things were before when communists died it led to a year of chaos several years of civil war and decades of crisis a near collapse if he had lived it only would have expedited the fall of the Roman Empire. Much like Marcia ECLECTIC Narcissus and lightouse Rome may have survived compass but it couldn't survive all the chaos that followed Marsha. Dimitrius may not have achieved her goal of saving the Roman Empire or even of saving her own life but on a different note. She may have accomplished something for Christianity during her time with compass. Marsha influenced him to begin the slow process us of ending the persecution of Christians. There were no edicts issued against Christians during his reign and Marsha even convinced him to release a Christian prisoners from the minds in Sardinia. Denia one of those prisoners was a young slave named callixte who went on to become pope. CALLIXTE use the first. He only served served as pope for about five years before his death but during that time he played an instrumental role in shaping church doctrine and allowing Pagan Converts verts into the Church. It was a perfect time for that policy. The Roman people had looked to their emperor for spiritual guidance and the moral decay that started with communist left mini many citizens feeling lost the instability in the years and decades after his assassination turned many people toward Christianity and because of the chaos during and after Commerce's rain public attention was diverted from the Christians. The Church was able to quietly organize and grow. Oh while everyone's eyes were turned toward palace intrigue and Civil War. The persecution of Christianity didn't entirely end with Communist and later rulers I would impose even harsher penalties on Christians but without this period of relative safety Christianity may not have been able to grow into the powerful force. It became for better or worse without Christianity in Rome the entire course of world history would be unforeseeably different for all all his ego mania commerce's life and death taught us that an emperor is only as powerful as the institutions behind him in an effort to expand expand his own power calmed his crippled the Senate Infrastructure and morality of the very empire. He ruled this eventually led to his own demise and diminished the power of the empire moving forward and by killing communists. His assassins inadvertently set a precedent of violence and political medical intrigue that through Rome into nearly a century of chaos. They fought fire with fire and in the end the entire Roman empire burned on. Did thanks for. You're listening to assassinations. We'll be back next Monday. You can find more episodes of assassinations as well as all a podcast. Other podcasts on apple podcasts spotify stitcher Google play or your favorite podcast directory. 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Emperor Commodus Pt. 2: Murder of a Megalomaniac

Assassinations

34:35 min | 2 years ago

Emperor Commodus Pt. 2: Murder of a Megalomaniac

"The Roman emperor communists had wanted to inaugurate the new year of one ninety three by emerging from the gladiator's barracks. Clad in armor, leading charge of the city's fiercest warriors. He shirked the traditional purple robes of royalty. He wanted everyone to know he wasn't like other emperors. He was undefeatable instead in the final hours of the year. One ninety two the gladiator king was strangled by the very man who taught him to fight. As communist gurgle, his last breath nurse issus pulled his arm from the emperor's neck. He slipped beneath the bathwater. His bloodshot eyes looking up at his assassins, like gutted fish narcissus looked back at Marsha who was still holding the bottle of poison wine. The emperor was finally dead. But his legions of soldiers were not if Marsha and narcissus didn't act fast. They would be the next targets for assassination. One death can change the world. At least that's what assassins believe welcome to assassinations on the par cast network every Monday, we examined the famous assassins of history, and the men and women who were assassinated. I'm your host Bill Thomas, and I'm your host, Kate Leonard. This is our second episode on the Roman emperor communists who was killed by his mistress Marcia and his trusted wrestling coach nurse issus at par cast. We're grateful for you our listeners you allow us to do what we love let us know how we're doing reach out on Facebook and Instagram at par cast and Twitter at par cast network. And if you enjoy today's episode the best way to help us is to leave a five star review wherever you're listening. It really does help us. We also now have merch head to par cast dot com slash merch. For more information. Emperor communists is rule was the beginning of the end for the Roman empire in the last years of his reign. His deepening paranoia had caused him to start executing people at a whim aristocrats statesmen even his own advisers his favourite mistress, Marcia had been the only one able to temper his insanity. But even his patients for her wore thin when Marsha discovered her own name at the top of communist as kill list. She devised a plan to save herself from the emperor's madness. But even with communist gone, Marsha and her co conspirators were still in great danger. Everyone in Rome hated accommodates everyone that is except for his soldiers under his corrupt rule. They were allowed to indulge all the looting violence and debauchery they desired they didn't want anyone to take their benefactor away from them shoulders. Warren communist about every previous attempt on his life, and insured. The would be assassins were punished if they discovered Marsha and our cicis at the scene of the murder, they would meet out swift. And brutal revenge. Early on New Year's day in one ninety three Marsha and nurses summoned a collector's the Chamberlain and litis the head of the praetorian guard they'd been in on the assassination plan. Their names were on the top of the execution lists to now it was their time to help collectors new the had to dispose of the evidence before anything else could be done. But how are they going to smuggle the emperor's body out of a palace? Crawling with soldiers effect, do summoned his loyal servants and told them to bring the emperor's dirty bed linens. They wrapped communists in sheets and heaped him into a basket of dirty laundry. It was the early hours of the morning. The palace guards were half asleep wearily leaning on their spears. No one batted an eye as to slaves hurried past with an unusually large pile of laundry communists, who had come into the world swaddled in the purple robes of royalty. Was carried out of his palace in sheets filthy with his own bile once outside the hefted the body into a wagon and road to the outskirts of the city when they were far enough out. They none of the heap of sheets into a gully and left it for the wild animals back at the palace, Marcia. A collect dues in lighters had moved on to the next problem explaining communists is sudden death after some debate they came to the perfect solution. He died of a stroke. Anyone would believe that with his heavy drinking and constant orgies? He'd been in less than ideal health for awhile. Now that before they made the announcement. They needed to have someone ready to fill the power vacuum. Someone with the wisdom and experience to restore Rome to its former glory and someone who wouldn't investigate the fallen emperors death to thoroughly they decided to seek out pertinence pert. Connects was the urban prefect, essentially, the city administrator of Rome, he was a former Senator a renowned military hero and most notably. The last surviving advisor who'd been appointed, by communists, his father, Marcus Aurelius. The rest had already been executed purchase was universally loved. And he lived humbly in borderline poverty. He was the perfect antidote to commerce's extravagances. So the conspirators slipped into the night and made haste to pertinent his house. Once they're they rattled the gate, waking the porter who does off it as post when the porter saw light who's the commander of the praetorian guard standing at the gate. He immediately ran inside and woke up pertinent acts percha necks and the porter came to the same conclusion. Communist guards had finally come to kill him per Janek said watched as communists executed. Several of his advisors. He'd been expecting his own time to come sooner or later pert next told the porter to let the visitors in he didn't even get out of bed. He might as well be comfortable for the last moments of his life when Marsha effect to and light twos came in they found pertinence reclining in bed. Utterly serene. He said quote for a long time. Now, I've been waiting for my life to end in this fashion. And I was surprised that communist was so slowed act against me. Why do you delay? You will be carrying out your orders, and I will be relieved from degrading hope and constant fear. The conspirators had no idea what he was talking about light. Who's tried to explain that they weren't there to kill him? Actually, they just killed communists. And they wanted pertinent to step up as emperor pertinent didn't believe them. He thought they were taunting an old man before cutting him down in. His bed. Eclectic pulled a tablet from his robes. He said if you don't believe what we say, read this tablet, you know, communists handwriting. You see it regularly pertinent held a tablet up to a candle. It was a list of names to be executed in communist is unmistakable handwriting. Sure enough at the top of the list were Marcia light to and a click to now he believed them pert, neck, set the tablet down. He was over sixty years old in failing health and had no aspiration to the throne, but he devoted his entire life to serving Rome, and if this was his duty, so be it. Once per Tadesse agreed to be the new emperor. The next step was to break. The news to the soldiers lie to took the responsibility for that one since he was the commander of the Pretoria guard, the others wanted to be there to to see how they responded before they set out for the praetorian camp they sent a messenger to the Senate to inform them of comets as death. Even if the soldiers revolted, they knew the senators would be overjoyed at the news. It was nearly daybreak. And some of the citizens were already awake preparing for the New Year's festivities. Word spread quickly through the streets that communist was dead and pertinent was taking over before. Dawn the streets were buzz with people shouting, the tyrant is dead. The gladiator is slain by the time pertinent. It's light twos. Eclectic and Marsha walked into the praetorian camp thousands of common. People had gathered there to quell any uprising. From the soldiers light to send pertinent marched through the joyful crowd gathered the soldiers and called them to attention. Why twos told them quote communists? Your emperor is dead of apoplexy. You know, the way he lived his life. Now, he lies dead choked by his own gluttony in place of communists. We bring you a man respected for his years. Temperate in his way of life and renowned for his courageous exploits now fortunate giving you an emperor who has also kindly father to you at that the citizens exploded into applause after twelve years of fear and chaos. They were finally free. Order would be restored at last. The soldier stared at pertinence with cold narrow is he met their gaze unflinching the older soldiers remember pertinent with fondness they'd served with him long before communist came to power. But there were only a few of the old guard left and the younger soldiers didn't wanna respected. Temperate leader, cutting off their lifestyle of excess that the soldiers were few compared to the civilians, and they were unarmed the flood of people surrounded them cheering in support of pertinent the thunder of their voices drowned out any discontent from the military men. One by one the soldiers begrudgingly joined in the throng, proclaiming pert necks emperor. A wreath of laurels was passed through the crowd and placed on the new emperor's head as the sun finally rose on the first day of January one Ninety-three pertinent led the people and the soldiers in a procession to the imperial palace. In the streets. The people gave thanks to the gods and called for communist his body to be dragged through the city on hooks her to Knox entered the Senate house where the senators were already gathered the immediately turned and erupted in praise one Senator took his hand and led him to the throne pertinence begged the men to let him decline the position, but they're cheering wouldn't subside the old man lowered himself onto the throne and delivered his first address quote. No ordinary task awaits me improving myself worthy of such an honor those who have grown accustomed to reveling in the extravagant excesses of tyranny, not only object to any change toward a more. Moderate and more economical way of life. But they rejected as a mean wretched way to live. And so you must cooperate with me and consider the management of the empire as a joint enterprise, and you must entertain high hopes of. Under an era stock recy-, not under a tyranny, the Senate burst into applause pertinence was escorted into the imperial palace to begin his reign Marshall took a deep breath. Letting go of the years of fear and exhaustion, she'd felt at commerce aside. Now, it was a click to standing by her side. A man she had literally trusted with her life after a lifetime spent as a mistress manipulating men from the shadows, she'd found someone she could call partner collectors and Marsha were married. A few weeks later, the beginning of pertinent his reign was a time of hope and peace for the Roman empire. But they would soon discover that the empire was far from safe. Coming up. We'll take a look at pertinent as short time as emperor of Rome. You know, what's tough trying to get a loan. 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Ones to find out how low your upstart rate is checking your rate, only takes two minutes and won't affect your credit. That's upstart dot com slash nations. Now back to the story. After pertinence was sworn in as emperor on January first one ninety three. He went back to the Senate house in thanked lights who's for his role in taking communists out of power as he was leaving. He was confronted by the console Falco Falco said, we may know what sort of an emperor you will be from this that we see behind you lie twos. And Marsha the instruments of communists is crimes. The public. Still believed that communists, had died of a stroke. No one had any idea that light to send Marsha were far from the loyal sycophants. That once appeared to be per to next replied, you are young consul and do not know the necessity of obedience, they obeyed communists, but as soon as they had an opportunity they showed what had always been their desire and with that the first seeds of doubt about the true nature of communist as death began to take root. As soon as pertinent took the throne. He set to work writing his predecessors wrongs, but he was afraid the people who had benefited from Commodore his corruption would be reluctant to accept change comatose had shown no interest in actually running the empire. He'd left state matters to a string of ill-chosen advisers who sold government positions to the highest bidder. Returning Rome to some semblance of a functional governments would be a massive undertaking. For years. The army had roam the streets harassing anyone who challenged their thority pertinent. Immediately. Forbade the soldiers from carrying axes or attacking any Roman citizens. They grumbled and discontent, but obeyed for the most part since the treasury was drained pertinent sold off communist his personal property to fund the military. He also returned land communist had seized from farmers and exempted them from taxes and all government duties for ten years by doing so he hoped to restore the faith between the government and private citizens that had been utterly destroyed over the past decade to honor the throne as a position of service rather than of personal power pertinent didn't allow his name to be stamped on imperial property. He believed everything in the palace was the property of the people not the emperor. He also didn't allow his son to live in the impure. Palace. If his natural air wanted to succeed him as emperor. He was going to have to earn it in all ways pert next proved to be a fair generous and morally upright ruler. Ironically, his virtues proved to be his downfall. The Pretorious soldiers had tasted unchecked power and unlimited wealth under communist, and they didn't take kindly to the new emperor's attempts to rein them in. There was so much mutiny. Even light to was starting to regret choosing pertinent as emperor. There were also growing rumblings that pert necks hadn't come to power. By honest means the soldiers were starting to wonder if communists is death was something more than a stroke, perhaps for this reason light who's thought it was best to get rid of the unpopular emperor before the truth came out less than three months into pertinent. His rain lie to organized a conspiracy to remove him on March twenty eighth one ninety three he marched two or three hundred soldiers to the imperial palace. Rather than fight or flee pert next came out to meet them the soldiers stopped in their tracks surprised by his dignity standing right beside him was a collectives hid risked his life to install a fair emperor. And he'd risk his life defending him to pert spoke to them and said, quote, it is inevitable that every man must die some day. If you are still grieved at the death of communists, remember that. It is hardly surprising that death caught up with him. He was mortal. But if you think his death was the result of treachery. The blame does not lie with me bring charges against someone else. And quoth the soldiers began to put their swords away the power of his words had swayed them that is all of them except one one soldier leaped forward and yelled the soldiers. Have sent you this sword the rest of the men joined in. In rushing forward to attack per to next. At clicked who's drew his sword and fought back wounding a few of the soldiers. But he was killed alongside the emperor. He'd created hurt to nexus head was cut off and mounted on a spear after eighty seven days is rain was over. The soldiers stood at the entrance of the imperial palace. And announced that pertinence was dead. The people erupted in grief with pertinent gone. So was any hope for the Roman empire. The soldiers then declared with brazen shamelessness that the empire was up for sale. They would hand over the throne to the highest bidder that offer made its way to a nobleman named idiots Juliano's who was having dinner party that evening he'd been drinking heavily, but he hurried to the walls of the army camp where the empire was being auctioned off Giuliani's shouted up to the guard tower that he had boxes full of gold and silver. There was already a man inside the camp offering a good bid. So the soldiers didn't want to let Juliana sin until they knew he was serious. They lowered down a ladder and Giuliani's ambled up to confer with the soldiers. He promised to revive. Communist memory and restore the Pretoria n- guard to their former glory. He also promised to give them each five thousand sisters more than the other bidder. Offered this soldier shouted down to the other man how much do you raise him the barter for a while? Raising their bids by five thousand sisters at a time screaming their offers over the camps wall, finally Juliana one out. The four nightfall Juliana was led to the imperial palace. Where pertinent is corpse was still lying. This time. The procession was met with public ridicule not celebration. The people were disgusted at how low the empire had fallen the senators were disgusted to, but they were too afraid to do anything about it concerned. They'd be killed like pertinence they paid their respects to the new emperor with careful composure outside the Senate house, a mob erupted shouting that he'd stolen the throne Giuliani came out and offered them bribes to but the people chanted together, we don't want it. We won't take it Giuliani ordered that the protesters be slain by March thirtieth one ninety three Giuliani's formally became emperor. He immediately returned the palace to the same drunken debauchery. It had known under comma. Innis pertinent is reforms were reversed the soldiers once again revelled in excess looting houses all day and drinking all night, the people still openly revile Juliane us. But as long as the army was on his side. There was nothing to be done. This state of affairs lasted for about a week. And then the soldiers began to realize Giuliani's wasn't quite as rich as it claimed to be the drunken bids. He'd offered them were far more than he was actually able to pay soon the soldiers had joined the civilians and mocking and insulting Giuliani's whenever he appeared in public. There was now absolutely nothing. Protecting the emperor from removal hearing about the chaos in Rome generals from the provinces of Syria Britain and Panonia sawn opportunity to seize power septicemia severance who in Pannonia was physically closest to Rome marched his army toward the city ready to. Take the throne by force. It had been less than two weeks since Giuliani's became emperor. When severance is troops arrived at the city gate, the Roman people were as the historian Heron wrote. Understandably dismayed by the unexpectedness of this development that they hated Giuliani's to. So they didn't see the point in fighting back. The people greeted the invading forces with laurel branches and welcomed them in. Giuliani's fortified himself in the palace. He sent the Pretorious soldiers out to meet several his army, but they'd spent the past decade, drinking and feeding not training for battle. They were too. Weak to put up much of a fight with the enemy already in the city and the Senate soldiers and public turned against him. Giuliani's had no idea. What to do? He grew paranoid. Just like communist before him and like comedies. He put Marsha and light who's at the top of his execution list. It had long been suspected that Marcia narcissus and light to were behind communists is sudden demise. And everyone knew that light two's had led the attack against pertinence Juliana sphere. The old conspirators were plotting to overthrow him as well. In April of one ninety three Juliana sent a platoon of soldiers to marshes home. It had only been a couple weeks since collectors had been killed and Marsha had hoped to grieve him in peace. But it appeared she'd be joining her husband sooner than intimidated, Marsha narcissus and light twos were hall to the imperial palace and forced to their knees. Juliana stood before them and addressed the gathering crowd. He said that he was the strongest emperor to ever take the throne, and that any citizen who pledged their loyalty to severance would be treated the same as the traders who had killed communists. Juliana s- drew his Gladys the Royal sword in. Laid with gold was only meant as a symbol of authority. It wasn't meant to draw blood but ever since communists, had come to power the Roman empire had been ruled by blood Marsha who had caused the fall of one mad. King was killed by another incarnation of the same madness. The fate she'd sought to avert was unavoidable, while Giuliani's was executing communists is assassinated severances troops had reached the Senate house by the end of may the senators voted to execute Juliano's and install severance as emperor. He'd only ruled for sixty six days. This was the third Roman emperor dead in only four months. However, the chaos was only beginning over the next few months the Roman empire was torn apart. As generals battled for control of the throne. One Ninety-three became known as the year of the five emperors for the number of men who. Laid their brief claim to the throne after a few years of civil war severance came out, the Victor in the early two hundreds he restored a brief peace to the Roman empire and was eventually succeeded by his two sons and two nephews all of whom were eventually assassinated, but room was already on its way to collapse by two thirty five the empire's unity began to fracture leading to a period of near collapse called the crisis of the third century by four seventy six Rome's. Western empire had totally fallen communists as death marked the beginning of the darkest most chaotic chapter in Rome's history, but what might have happened if comedies hadn't been assassinated would the outcome have been any different. Coming up. We'll take a look at how history might have been changed. If Commodore head lived. Have you heard the news park cast has released its first ever fiction podcast mind's eye leg by nightmares homicide detective Kate McClay. Enlists her radio journalist husband to get to the bottom of her horrifying dreams in the process. Kate fights against psychology unsolved crimes her own family in even a serial killer. If you love true crime podcasts mysterious audio dramas and psychological thrillers. Like, I do this is definitely the show for you. I was hooked right away. Be sure to stay tuned to the end of our show to hear a teaser church minds eye wherever you listen to podcasts or visit par cast dot com slash mind's eye to start listening. Now that's mind's eye. The scariest monsters are those hiding inside our own minds. Now back to the story. Communists is twelve year reign. Brought the Roman empire to the brink of collapse. But his assassination sparked a year of even more severe turmoil and civil war. It's hard to say whether anything would have ended differently if the assassination hadn't succeeded. Communist was hated by nearly everyone in the empire. It's very likely that if the conspirators hadn't ended his life on December thirty first one ninety Ninety-two someone else would have done the deed sooner or later, but it wouldn't have happened before communists got around to killing everyone on his New Year's execution list. Which apart from his assassins, included, the newly elected consuls all the remaining advisors. His father had appointed and many prominent members of the Senate. It's quite possible that once communists had slaughtered. All the other powerful statesman. He would have finally destroyed the Senate and declared himself the sole ruler of Rome returning the empire's government to an absolute monarchy that damage to the balance of power would have been extremely difficult to undo even if communist was eventually removed without anyone to rein in Commodore suspending the empire would have continued to hemorrhage money. His extravagant lifestyle and poorly considered policies. Head already bankrupted the treasury and the city's infrastructure had already been crippled by famine and fires communists, had never shown any interest in governing. And if you let these problems continue to go unchecked Rome probably would have collapsed on itself within a matter of decades, if the empire didn't decay from the inside out it would have been decimated by an invading army during communist is rain the barbarian forces in what would become modern day. Germany had begun attacking the Roman empires. Outlying provinces comedies largely ignored this problem and left the generals stationed in the provinces to fend for themselves. When September severance took power in one ninety three he sent more forces to fight the bar Burien fending off a full scale invasion without that support from the capital. It's likely the Barberi. Would have succeeded in overtaking Roman territory. And if Rome itself was in disarray. They may have overthrown the entire empire. This brings us to an interesting point once communist took the throne the eventual fate of the Roman empire was already sealed in the end. It may not have mattered if or when comedy was removed from power he'd already set Rome on the slow path to collapse. The most serious impact of communist rain was the normalization of corruption as we saw in the months following his death. Once Rome was used to bribery executions and want and spending it was impossible to steer. The course back to the way things were before when communists died it led to a year of chaos several years of civil war and decades of crisis a near collapse if he had lived it only would have expedited the fall of the Roman empire much like Marcia eclectic narcissus and light twos. Romay have survived communists. But it couldn't survive all the chaos that followed. Marsha Dimitrius may not have achieved her goal of saving the Roman empire or even of saving her own life. But on a different note, she may have accomplished something for Christianity during her time with communists, Marsha influenced him to begin the slow process of ending the persecution of Christians there were no edicts issued against Christians during his reign and Marsha even convinced him to release a Christian prisoners from the minds in Sardinia. One of those prisoners was a young slave named Callixte. Who's who went on to become poke Callixte use the first he only served as pope for about five years before his death. But during that time, he played an instrumental role in shaping church doctrine and allowing pagan converts into the church. It was a perfect time for that policy. The Roman people had looked to their emperor for spiritual guidance, and the moral decay that started with communist left, many citizens. Feeling lost the instability in the years and decades after his assassination turned many people toward Christianity, and because of the chaos during and after a communist is rain public attention was diverted from the Christians the church was able to quietly organize and grow while everyone's eyes were turned toward palace intrigue and civil war. The persecution of Christianity didn't entirely end with communists, and later rulers would impose even harsher penalties on Christians. But without this period of relative safety. Christianity may not have been able to grow into the powerful force. It became for better or worse. Without Christianity in Rome. The entire course of world history would be unforeseeably different. For all his egomania communists is life and death taught us that an emperor is only as powerful as the institutions behind him in an effort to expand his own power. Communist crippled, the Senate infrastructure and morality of the very empire. He ruled this eventually led to his own demise and diminished the power of the empire moving forward and by killing communis, his assassins, inadvertently set a precedent of violence and political intrigue that through Rome into nearly a century of chaos. They fought fire with fire and in the end the entire Roman empire burned. Thanks for listening to assassinations will be back next Monday. You can find more episodes of Sasser nations as well. As all a cast other podcasts on apple podcasts. Spotify Stitcher, Google play or your favorite podcast directory. Several of you have asked how to help us if you enjoy the show the best way to help us is to leave a five star review. And don't forget to follow us on Facebook and Instagram at par cast and Twitter at par cast network. We'll see you next time. Assassinations was created by max Cutler is a production of Cutler media and is part of the park cast network. It is produced by max and Ron Cutler sound design by Michael Lang's ner with production assistance by Ron Shapiro and Paul Moller additional production assistance by Carly Madden. And Maggie admire assassinations is written by David Calvert and stars Kate Leonard and Bill Thomas.

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661: DC Thomson - Publishing  Newspapers and Magazines In A Digital World

The Tech Blog Writer Podcast - Inspired Tech Startup Stories

26:44 min | 3 years ago

661: DC Thomson - Publishing Newspapers and Magazines In A Digital World

"Welcome to the tank bloke writer podcast, your guy to future Tech Trends and innovation in a language you understand now over to your host, Neal, Hughes, welcome back to the technical writer. Podcast. I'm reporting from the magenta live event here in Barcelona, and I came here wanting to learn more about exactly what does the adobe magenta partnership. Really mean I quickly learned adobe makes every experienced personal while magenta is making every moment. Shop aboard, the community and open source tax still seemed to remain at the heart of everything which is going to be a great thing. Not the main theme here is experience driven commerce. So I set off with my backpack my laptop and microphone not searching for truth and destiny. Canaan, confer, but searching for stores that would interest you all about industries that you wouldn't necessarily associate with technology and how they're. Averaging tech to create experiences, and it was also particularly inspired today after listening to Bruce Dickinson from iron maiden. Yes, you heard me right? He performed Keno here that really resonated with me. He talked about the music industry of course, but also by how not evolved with the times we might have ended up with free music. We've also got hundred dollar tee shirts and even more expensive concert tickets. It's a model that doesn't work all serve anyone. But while here I came across the lovely people at DC Thompson, which is a private company, and one of the leading media organizations in the UK is headquartered in dundy, Scotland with a London base in the world, famous, please treat the company publishes newspapers magazines, but as recently diversified into new media, digital technology, retail and television interest too. So I wanted to explore how these very traditional industry as diversified into new media and Creighton experiences for his readers. So bookable hold on tires. IB meal is all the way to boss Alona so we can speak with coasted Morrison and Allen Melrose from DC Thompson. A massive, warm, welcome to the show. He saw the listeners who you all and what you do. Hi, I'm Chris Morrison. I'm head of digital DC Thompson where a Scottish face on publisher, publishing, newspapers, magazines, metals. I worked with the department and my background is largely advertising commercial Jin as I mostly in the space. So DC Thompson, he's one of the leading media organizations in the u. k. publishing newspapers and magazines. Can you an overview of exactly what you guys do and what brings you to magenta this year? Yes. So we have to digital team to see Thompson media, which is a media part of DC Thompson grip obscene newspapers magazines with a product site of that. So the team digital, basically, Mel, any tosses vote websites patients on the evening impeach Turner's. The reason we're here magenta line is we've started. Turning out to attention them, really helping the business participates revenue lines on. That's really diversifying into ecommerce. So we currently have three online shops, one of the agenda two to them in the one up to migrates magenta too. So we're really, here's I guess, to network really keeps to be gentle partners just starting on that journey. So it's really a by Freddie, which is very much a legacy. I'm shy. She say transitioning to be much more, I guess, much diversify lines. So I would imagine the digitalization of everything has been challenging the traditional industry of publishing physical media such as newspaper magazine. So can you tell me more about the kind of challenges that you've encountered? I mean, have you overcome them and why you believe the future is actually brought for publication? Yeah, it has been very challenging because we take prince revenues which still jotted revenues, DC Thompson media. So we're very Scott comes. I guess it's the girl St. that protect core revenues diversifying. Revenue lines. Monkey products aware very much, not enough. Diversifcation Haitian and launching products spot of that. I guess it's been very much slowly slowly catch monkey with, especially some of our editorial colleagues you are very, very Princen can just really making up journey into digital space. I think I'm so we've been very careful to him Wisconsin, weekly online of the years. Rene much moral incidents has been quite a journey frozen till I five years ago. We also noted she'll puts PC Thompson. So we have been experimenting with lots of different things. It's people come through the content to mining shooting, Manatt, celery, Tena kind print declines declines. My advertising sue against the big switch for us is like a nice open advertising for ten years in the jobs space, the realities. You caught me same revenues from digital and most of that or. Although the advertising sny worth more than the other media, the autists today's giggle, it's not always marble. Here is actually if you. It only having models as lines to remi- sketching are not writing. It doesn't really stop to the future for publishing. So that's why Robin flying things like ecommerce platform school Zinger, but as meaning ravioli McCoy, huge audiences our audiences bigger night in that ever been. But it might not be you have your member time or subscription might want something else. Hype, immediate, moose sin. John's rarely. Yeah, I will say if industries as well. I mean, we've Saint Bruce Dickinson. Haven't we waves saying music is the first to be? Yes. Music frame, but the t. shirts, custom journalist, the same thing. Yeah. So I mean, we, we have payrolls, which makes it easier for some of his culturally, I guess thing is a business. Hi, to be perceived giving me content, three wisely concept drives the, you know, access to it Waller dries. Actually, these on on-drives harshest side are on rounded product or somebody else's rounded over margin, or we've got an we were become vacant, sell gin, you know, in not Merimee as genuine revenue inboards. And so it's just guest this finding different nuanced. So the so the same Hammett magenta line is experienced driven comments. Tell me more about how you'll embracing technology on the kind of experiences is able to create a not only remained relevant also continued to thrive in a digital age solving. Alas, me probably four years. We've seen value. Martin stocks quite sophisticated on essentially means we can push pull data everywhere, but what it gives us a single view, Twenty-eight our websites. So when somebody comes on, whether even when they're anonymous, we know what they're looking at where. We're watching potentially what their pricing and we can offer the my personalized service based on what they're looking at based on what we think they would like to see when we heard from the enough from the ten to one of magenta breakout sessions this morning, making sure that we're using all those cues, make sure we give the user what we want to see. So we have a monthly rituals around about fourteen million monthly views. So essentially what we can do with with that huge marketing engine is make sure we are driving customers where we think they'll have the best experience. One of plumping puts in front of service piece of content or whether we can actually sweat any piece of contents, make sure we can maximize value of that context. We spend quite often time the cost. The value of atoms actually drops much because of the programmatic challenge on publishers of facing actually really sweat each piece of content to make sure reporting either right call to action to drive through to our shops, right colts to try to invent we may be having or to a subscription off our or. Another piece of content even really can sweaters pages so that single customer view realize us to maximize value all of our content role of our users. Interesting. In the morning, we are quite young ace. So although we have shelves for. As a department vunerable got involved in the revolt the first or have you deal all personalization, Wisconsin. So like we bought at margin for our law quo files, he thinks like me, do a waltz action. Have you changed content on the page? We know against outlets on average from changed on Saint from early, it's recommended and we can do about in real time. And it was interesting discussions morning when they say, well, actually, most of the ecommerce rationalization comes post transaction actually, never like all we do is look at this rich can see the hateful and triggers and cues. You've go all the way up and they might never meet her parts. So that's quite incursion for us. 'cause like BASF, right in bar, weaving do not for years, we'll be one on personalization in the emails. Now, like I say, change content on the page. It's awesome for people for our payrolls Seguin say on. So that's quite right might well actually develop. More info. Impulse from should be rouses. We're much by tools. Doc in place on that liberalism. Conceal the thing, if I outed let us cleaning DP, are we had already spent two years? Are they to ensure we understood it. PR in mind so much buttocks when king when you we're going to be compliant with his offer. Carpark Jason. I guess the is going to be interesting for us. Ly is only sensor far sense you boy is actually finding will happen. So we connect all of us. So, I mean, obviously, has. VR nizing remark in Clayton in general or gas. We've got Mark inclined that Setsuko reminds me of criticism of the inaugural buffalo Honey Mark platform there. Okay. Error. So right Heidi, we at moves. So over the last few years I've not adopting personalized services are from reading everything in a magazine, a newspaper to only will interest me. I'm curious, have you explode waste is still in able those happy accidents that goes delightful experiences that you used to get from driving bookshelves in a bookshop or picking up something that you would never ever find in a recommended view algorithm? Or do you think that's gone forever now, Stephanie not gone sumit meet. We spent time test this Molly and the reality is that. So what we find is that, for example, emails for these of Swain. If if we just pass our size on, you know, up to bomb, we dig up big our lists across Morton times convince Rex kind of like is based. I think what we know your profile is what we miss his, that curate content east of the illogic infants concepts and understandings audience. So when garage takes to your, what will James they just know are gonna fly? Not those stories. We more traction than anything else, but we got best but slice phones. So gal put coming. I later this month Willion Tober. Yeah, familiar this month, which will impassioned is a big part of that. When we did toy with the idea of me hit highly actualized, but it just feels in two all does he actually people still want on? You are publishing rights. People do on people, tell them what we should be are consuming. Yeah. And I think an example owed smarter necklace. You have well. Well, obviously, sometimes you just go into the menu. 'cause you anyway, you're not being got rather than. Why am I know getting? Because it's just it's over personalized in my guess is my opinion, lots, no major who'd you stumble, three things. Year. Thank you. Come across that way. You'd never would've chose Bruce Dickinson. Sort of the just gave the snow by having a coffee with some the and then ending up investing in an edible Gleich. This stuff doesn't happen if you will only see what's absolutely. And I think as well up, I've no is was a holiday, and we're all looking in a small town all the time. I'll be looking down and I'm not about you going. I'm gonna get my inspiration when I put that phone down and understanding it something staring at train win. But we in those moments. So what really might stay Thompson standout craft for me is your consumers flies will cry is a may all spam across multiple generations sesame. You're at the forefront of change and are organically stimulating the imagination to produce dynamic in compelling content. So what are the biggest changes that you've seen from your audiences that span those? I have multiple generations. And how are you changing to meet their increasing expectations? I guess what the things is already grown massively. Thank. You think. Rebels are also growing. We to lots of worker and content to make sure that we are producing the right content for online, not just driven by treating off-line. So because of that, we can conveys it play on teller at a at Dettori Callixte lobster, McComb gut instinct which they used to very much. Also, we've got great freeze department. You don't get any more gray examples as is golf, we because we public in Scotland. There are morning newspapers during Gulf Fritsch ears, right to print content rankles online, very successful for right. Continental mountain biking online is massively engaged with tonight. We're starting to inform our tour or colleagues about where to put the effort on online. So mix with much more efficient as newsrooms makes us much more engaged audience respect as well. I think one of the other can really big changes we've seen off taken are knitted products. We've mentioned earlier with three U2.. Tables on our two dailies. One of our issue only puts energy voice in the optic. So the, I guess, the tight to pay for Clinton all t- content base, especially in this mystique news generation where living in causes, publishers, lost problems. But luckily I think because of the type regional, especially publisher VR. We really are raised in each without proper Texas too. But especially lying with we into right now, actually. Value on content. Be taken that same basements in publishing originally vote our audience tools actually Saudi amortizing Lebanese, but lives have powerful for this for me to right and I, we supplied out from our rebuilding the Schultz interesting to go to apply that same business logic shooting the show. So we have and moves across with January soil offline. Your calls are everything was in the shop since you've is in poets in Sean, did Obama analysis on realize they might two percent of them never sold so asking if you'd experience well, and then I'm the founding Ovalles shopping. Our readers zero over older zone, understanding night. The is for us a really important point party says, give them a good experience online show them told us, and I make it really easy for them to foon because they still Prospal. Now in order to support his maybe. John's. So do you get to hear about any feedback from anyone, any of your readers. Good and bad. I suspect mainly. A year from people when they have a real. Yeah, I go to customer service team from sits within what we call our price when she's where shops live on. We've quite a loyal page, turning audience for any reason. They cannot access that election, a piece needed dishing. We get a huge feedback. So we guest, I guess we find out by any problems with the -nology. Sometimes it's user. Behavior problems, and sometimes it's technology conviction, but we hereby in each source, this problems we get onto that that's acknowledged or someone else technology. We're still pursue the grants to hear feedback meeting meeting quickly. I'm I guess what's most viable? He ever thing the new magenta to shop is on metrics Musset reposited. So we knew gets increase, emot-, Vetter speed, lords, massively improve. We knew that would come go, we went to dishes, so that's obvious improved, huge interest. We import free Comber, but all our other metrics massively mustering revising. So I guess you see to the results rather than hearing it from the sea. There are buying more frequently on rose or volume. Not more customers. Interesting for one of our John's fat Mr. to the show business was the same skills with the arms speaker. This is. Into a digital was this year that will come in. So we know is nice to move in number of users on our side. Bobby increased the number environs I seventy percent car conversion rate from search several resent our revenues already patriot license for your one in three months. So it was a big risk for us to be on magenta menia edition. You have any recommendations on carbon to golden spend a of money or license, and it was about a vibe. I reason why do you need to spend that much money? So it's been. So what does magenta main ta and how is it helping you achieve your experience driven goals? I mean, you have mentioned a little bit about, I think it's, I think one of the new from something that's feed something you're paying for its focus will focus on KPI. So MRs become a bit more alliance to that. I think the gentle too because we had such positive KPI's in the first few months without really spending all the money right marketing trying to drive more people to our our apartment south means it gives us via confidence that we can get our ally on any marketing budget. We invest not in that kind of Avia. So I think he's just giving us one focused on Tubul constants. Actually, we can give a mistake mocked in. She got with our network four million monthly users. We can actually drive them to the site NS we get in there reading lightly, get into purchase. I mean, we, we've be work in communities of. Where the evaluation, you're always assuming the chance for my tall in days, in addition came right mosit- me on our developers like walking me. So we everything we do Marcin hitters, press editing. View in jobs is in the gentle, and that is fortunately important or think was been gained firm Marne easy as well. Govan's developers. He gets these four as well, which is slightly definitely want us to that because mash them at all from our press, you're basically stop of stock over. He's got this really nice mix off, you know, got us community airlines and they'll help each other in the wall summer up Choi ago. Any mentioned us. They use instant dressing saying, Hello, Russ insane persons. So so his own new such certainly said anything that excellent. She goats at magenta live this year. Other key takeaways event, you'll going to return home with Harris allies. Ation. A big thing for me because we go that skillset settings night, our department in done in other areas, but we haven't spent any time in the show. So I think we literally scratched the surface of pacing US Forest platform and also our shops woman earlier on their own branded products or selling subscriptions. I'm hallways and some brand products and some other stuff that traditionally actually sought white company. I used to work for his for the meal and nail, and it's kind of like that whole and used for sale of flowers in March or aprons and Dino for actually who might your point by oven for five million users? Well, we know what they're interested in is writing content rights. So why you notice deliver them more by products. Unpromising emulate was that's a much more successful retirement Semillas. So looking to the future. So what is next for DC Thompson media? Is that anything else you can share with me today? This quite a lot of things to come. I think now of komo's were spending as a company, a lot of time around the diversification of revenues, launching new products thing that we've got having a single customer view as we know what our audience interested in. We can segment them into passion points. We've spent quite old time over the last year owned innovation. What was innovation lip likes to DC Thompson media protests swell of the ideas come tonight. Dan, have those ideas is one thing, short business Creighton ideas. We're, we're actually really good at what we've got to figure out is how we prioritize as pipeline. I think the equal myself because we know so much of I tell users, we've got great example, Jen. We built a segment around our audience like gin and trending topic of Asli must've in certain we built. A proof of concept on websites around very small segment to die confined on our networking gin, and we basically content for that in our network. Once we go, Chris mass Bill, talk to websites, and then we basically have grown that website almost Cleveland writing for searchlight team away. This search helps. We will win huge authority in Google on Jin scope jn eat. We really specialize in of June subscriptions in Jin Lavin's Geno specialist genzer combined. So I think that models definitely something that will take fusion, whether that's the affiliate models which is currently will Jenkins are actually we on that particular site, a loss of Jin products, other people partial to what other ecommerce sites can we get into night with a real handle will not gonna take really understanding high to finance. It really understanding high to write for such a gruel asshole. Jains new them with the Jin can we will in many, many. Of the number one search terms on Google above gin distillers, this big markets. We've done that Zeiss investing all of money or a lot of time. So I can take the next iteration of those. Are that kind of ecommerce on elements of owning his ears of passionate. Ingest Rican, grow chances arrived on voice. Also year exploiting voice activation searchers. We haven't division, they. Months ago I was made genius to be on. This is not. In terms of get sort of eighteen to twenty five vehicles. Eight sharks only. I will find it won't being brought to the point transaction yet all that research discovery, all of us in not Greek peoples in done by Aston Yugo or city. I've been playing around with it to try it so far somebody my age I should for the first time recently with my nephew, he's dubbed was looking up something on the internet and she's not. Why are you talking? What are you just lost. Meetings, slowly towns, golden shootings for us quite interested in for not highly view in terms of new. We built experiences or right nationally tell us Newham insead in Oman release homeless. What a huge k. for coming on tonight, but fun to let you go. I just, I think you remind listeners the best way I signed up tonight with your progress or maybe even reach out to your team cycle. Any questions after listening to our conversation. So they're probably based is to giggle, DC Thompson, Maurici t. media, happy touch with anyone yet happens to talk about act, takes what we've been doing for the last few years. They don't want streak types. So I love how they say Thomas have made it age Rausing to the challenge of ensuring publications, not only remain relevant but provide unique experiences. So in a world of echo chambers and cherry picking content, I think it's needed more than ever to maintain not thought that helps us all. Well, that's just a big. Thank you for taking the time to Fatema tonight on a heavy enjoy. For the rest of magenta live. That was so many big takeaways from our conversation today on live how they're passionate about innovation and exploring new ways to create experiences, but without accelerate the decline in traditional print sales because there are some harsh reality is around ad revenues in digital being much, much less than that introduce no print. But also it was a result of these challenges. They've been forced to diversify and their success in unlikely researches. Creighton experiences for Jin. Lewis is a great example of nine went Wente diverse for and went to innovate and also love the point that Allen raised about sometimes not wanting to be something on Netflix or reading a new story that was recommended for is by an algorithm. Yes, personalization is great, and it makes our lives easier. So Miller tell him only impact most of the time, but too much of it is a bad thing, stumbling across things that we would never choose to look at through those happy accidents in life is possibly what helps us grow as individuals. But enough of me preaching marks on the Mullick. Let me know your thoughts about everything we've talked about today. This week's events all in fact anything at all, and you can reach me by Email tech blog writer at outlook dot com. All Twitter app, Neil c Hughes, but I'm afraid we're time on today's episode, but don't worry, I will return tomorrow with another great guest. So a big, thank you for listening and until next Dobie straighter. Thanks for listening to the tag globe, ROY support cost until next time. Remember technology is best when it brings people together.

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Ep 2: Survival

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37:55 min | 1 year ago

Ep 2: Survival

"You want to survive in here in good to keep quiet Having not letting people in trusting too easily I keep my mouth shut and I generally only have one or two people that I would associate with offices They say listen Hey there you're listening to a podcast that gives you a new perspective on women in prison in this episode. We're talking survival. But I got a few warnings. This is just a quick heads up that the following story contains material that may be disturbing especially for survivors of trauma toy. Straight people are advised that the following story may contain the names and voices on people opposed away. Don't like bed words to them the volume. I am Gallup gopro argument debut guy. Going out of my name is Julie. And I'm from gallant. Community and while tribe strong on long along with Ow not. Yara speak our language during the American door. Lana and if you're listening to the story I'll take you back to my journey of how I grow up spooner community at the hospital. 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Promise US been and you have to follow that law because it through you culture and how you've been brought up and threw kinship and it's been there for many generations. My mom was my father's third or fourth wife and that would be very shameful for what she's done to her culture and her family new husband wife Mom Darwin laws and then my My auntie she only had one child herself in my my siblings this four of us and my older santis kits their father them in my auntie among Sista which are called mum she was a mother to all of us. She is a great lady because she was named for me. What brother cousins? When I was seventeen eighteen years old I met someone and he. He wasn't a local person from colored. His I want pissing but I had A. I had a A promise sussman and he was. Siamese may promise. Aspen is someone that In your culture that you promised to marry this person but he had problems with different petrol and I am. I didn't like that and he's been aggressive in. Violence was involved and my family forced me to marry him. And I didn't like that because I was in love with somebody else that I met and I got send away to Kendra at Delhi with my processes family Canberra's begin scared because it's It's not like a small community where you can walk around and visit family. It's it's really big. You don't know your way around I didn't know anyone was oscillated from my family friends and found a way that I can escape from that life so I am to come. Klein saw can be with my family in the person that I love at the time when I go back to Elgar Moi Promise. Hus- been he got that talk show as well and he was trying to get me back to be with him but I didn't like him. 'cause he was petrol-sniffing back home at the time as well. I remember going home. And in that gnawed he spilled petrol himself any brand himself he got sent to hospital. Here really bad burns sovereign body and from then on people looked at me. They thought that all of that. I did that team that it was all all the blind was climbed on me because I didn't like him on driven him to do that to himself. In everyone blind me everybody and like I didn't know what was going on the night that he that also high but because he was promised husband anyone to be with me. Everyone put the blame on. May I do have a lot of shine and it hurts me a lot about mentally thirty s guy? It's still in ruins in me because I just have another chance to talk to anyone about it. During the time when I went back to Alka from Cambra I gotTa Missouri. My cousin who came up to me and said Lukasz. We're looking for someone to do. Background VOCALS AND DANCING. If you've got a possible unless to possible. And she got me into becoming the background vocals and dance for you. Think the ban and we traveled the world together. And that's when my nephew. Geoffrey Good Molina. Pinger was in the band and that's when Gomel small umbrella who is a cooling brother because he's my first cousin. They caught me off. And I said school that you in the Benz so you can look awfully formal so I did for a couple of days. All of Australia who went to Europe Garland then Los Angeles it was. It was fun because so many exciting people and very well known artists that we met. But you know we when we were out onto our. We Miss Time but when we were hiring restoring the singer the mine lead singer. Here's more poison cousin so in our culture with putting cousin and all that to have contact not allowed to give him something that having that barrier someone say something on your behalf will pass something and you're not allowed to say it's nine. He's on Monday but because we were in the band and whenever we will not back our community he would introduce. The band was hit. I'm on because you had to introduce the band members which was not. It was really good one man. It was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for me to travel oil with family members in the band. We've gave me a good insight because also myself not as a young person but a human being and there is people out there with different races in we will human beings and we all family when you get to know them so I am come up so I can be with the person that I love. We we struggle to be together because he was a Belinda person. What pessene we had Adora together and then we had a son after wall. Everything was good. We've been together for thirteen years. Everything was smooth relationship with us until he In a way I think he was trying to change me for who I was gay. Didn't like some of the things that I did. You just going into staying up with my family for wall and have the kids gone. Spend most of the time with with my family because of the different cultural backgrounds are often want them to miss that out that was important markets. And because of my mum she was ill and at the time. We didn't know what she was suffering from and I want them to have that special moments will because I knew that shoes she was gonna Guy Pot was having problems and then he decided to move to guy and he asked me and the kids if we can come and stay with him so we moved and Hughes Tom Bush and all said Hi. I'm with my kids and we were oscillated him off missing my mom and then one guy I'll get a call and my mom was really sick. And she didn't have long to live and spoke to a guy that morning to be with. My Mom. Lost is fun but I couldn't get to the airport because I non transplant no money so I'll miss the morning slot afternoon. I did get to the airport. I had to beg the Biglou politics will be on the plane. His because I was not the flight was full can send it cannot person applying begged him and I ended up putting us on the plane but it was still. I will not they muzzy gone. She died and that was that was berry. Said when I miss my mom passing that when she did not want to spend it last month with with my ticket and that was really angry because that was fan when I went back home ma PA and I split up and that's when everything just happened. I started getting involved in selling Gunda. Madora has been ringing and complaining that she's been having pains in cramps really bad ones. And that's why I'm in prison now is because I said something to her. That can help her with a pain when I sent the package on your about the And on I it. It's not the right thing today. But it's something to help her with Pine Madala. She's twenty four years old she has. Mgd MOCATTA justice disease is a genetic diseases inherited through your family. It affects your Mobility balance speech continents. I saw it. It's a slow. This is it'll affect your muscles slowly deteriorating to a wheelchair my mom hedda my two uncles. Hera and then I decided to have a test for myself and it turned out to be on in heaven. It is really hard to see much of consent that her disability does affect her now. It's affecting grandchildren as well and it is very sad to see that because I'm not later to help her and there is not cool. I sent the campus in in the package through the pice tomato water and the place got up. And that's why I'm here in jail. And this is my fifth defense. Now that many are and realized that it it affects. Everything affects my life. One children more work look markets in our markets to suffer. What I've been through so I decided to become a community support worker with Makoto This as foundation with people disability to help family. Through what what? They are suffering there. When I get out of here I'll go back to work. Had MALWARE CALLIXTE COME. Visit me a couple of months in prison on Miss What. I do and I love my job because it unites. It's it's pot a million. It's what I do love. My family and I had my son. Who's a one with? Down Syndrome. I decided to stay here in down and get a better life for my kids and get them education because I want my kids grow up in a safety plice safety environment and not go through a long went three. I want my kids to have a better life. Auto markets what other people say. Be Proud of yourself for WHO? You are showing the strong like a month. Julies living backing down now with a family. She's back in her old job where she helps support people with M J D. We asked her. If there's any chance she'll get back onto the circuit when I get all. I'm not planning to go and sing. I'm I'm planning to do my research on what I love during unknown back tomorrow routine I go back to work. Way ARE CLOSED. One of the first things you need to know in prison to survive of the colors loss. Can you should be hard. Couldn't get her all these goddamn shirt and because I'm very opinionated. Very outspoken. You. Copy you Kelly. So I've had to shut my mouth and walk live from the last three months fucking shit show and a new tugs. Greens not blue home. Everybody can get here. The first time I will get into the yard of the women's sick look like a bunch of hundreds and thousands spread around. I know freaking idea. What the t shirts meant about are different colors. Eager to learn pretty quickly orange. You're on Raymonde Law. Waiting to be sentenced. Blue is medium security grain is low security an open security is yellow are never get there when you allow security. You have your door open. Then move within the pod. After hours in Los occurred I get kept them. Microwave Toast Goal make to you on the night. Sit AROUND ON LOUNGE. Bit Afraid of not going natty. A friend sells you not lockdown gives you door open all day and you can rest anytime of the day whereas medium out doors locked and hygiene time. So that's about ten dirty and we can't go in a respirator. Sleep on the couch and is about over us so I can't sleep when a cat so we sleep on the floor. Lionel live with the flow. I'm being low security. You get to use a pool table so you can come up to the office and Oxford Polka polls. It gets played pool. It will say let's go out on Work Party Which I am whiting full. He gets to go out in the community and And be treated like a human a little one of the privileges that you get being low. Security prison is that is not restricted manage shower or toilet flushes That you get compared to a medium security water is a privilege around here and so a fans the one should Kelly. You don't WanNa they don't want to be a redshirt readies horse security and it means fucking pure hell you. Don't get any of them prisoners. You look down for twenty four hours a day up from fifteen minutes for fine coal. Aegis don't want to be a redshirt like it's on a describe in any way but my last two months where red shirt and I can tell you now on nearly didn't make it out of their attention back. She gave me a green. Tag mcgrane shot. They got your dot. You'll move in now and I pulled way you're not locked in the wings at nighttime quantified off nail. Got One foot on this guy already clear. You could blue five to one cell to clear code. Blue Five Acre one sale to this card read which means fire and it grows off quarter often when we know they've probably got some waiting on cigarettes another car. That goes really is yellow. Which means of what goes off a lot and you can hear the men yelling and screaming when the car. Yellow cold is Carpool which means medical emergency card. Ambaum means officer in need of assistance and the skirt grey which means hostage situation is card purple which means bomb threat detection and his car brand. I'm the yellow alert. It's all the time all blew everybody's always having a chest problems with the chest because his medical and I get some rest or you go up there and see your boyfriend and I do the cards at the same time is could meet up their people do that. Yeah paypal do that. It's true love from over the fence. It's true love when you go to medical together. Yeah especially when it's both got heart problems up the podcast time versus men. Are you feeling a bit flat and washed out faded perhaps put some brightness in you live with the new quality shirts? Yellow Green Blue Orange. Try to avoid the red limited only just head up to the office and quote. Excuse me Sir please have not should start the podcast skin color matter in. He might Tom not on. I reckon everyone Gets along with everyone? We are friendly in here. That sometimes come and talk to me are gone. Postal sometime to won't come on what they call me. Nana antiquites who since growing up in Darwin with very multi-cultural here. So I just remember going to school with you. Know Asians Blacks Africans like a whole mix. What people like and coming in here. It's like the same if anyone needs help with something like eighty different women that we can go to the help. Yeah it's good. Why can't speak for everywhere else in Australia but I know you're watching American documentaries like is put a real stereo taught on prisons. It's all rubbish You know we don't you know separate each other by color or anything like that so it's not like what you see in documentaries when people say skin color isn't an issue in here on. I bought is more racism than anyone would ever know. I'm indigenous but because I'm fair so they call me half costs I'm just to watch dog in here. You got girls that from one community that stick together in there will just gang up together Other guild from different countries and different died eight months to serve just like being in a reserve. I've grown up in a mission with President and we used to get pies on Sundays. An awesome man this prison. Lo and behold fifty years later. I'm getting Posinski Rose on Sunday for lunch room getting ice cream just like good old days soda tax in prison really good face scrub is my scrub so what I do is I get my side. We get full breakfast put into a Bowl. Put a little bit of water into it. Soften it up a little bit. Then I get so soon gold and put that into the OATS. And then papa onto your face when it's dry and leave on a mosque for about ten minutes and then wash it off and then put coffee underneath your eyes and it totten's up your skin when I was young. My grandmother always told me to use lemon peel for my pimples and when I came to jail I had we had no of getting rid of acne. Sorry is Orange Peel. As an exfoliating cleanser China we squeeze the peel on our face on our pools and it just takes off closes them up and stuff. Muslim spreader obtaining prison for every year now but when I was in here for about six months starting to break out and get a rough skinned so a friend in our went and found some really fond grit sand that we washed ineligible milk could China's and claimed it and then would add honey to it and then use. That is a Vice Scrub. Were quite will. Then the officers took the container of me. Wouldn't let me collect anything anymore. They a little bit sauce. A lot actually collected puff. Bose's will because I was going to make a pint head them and they thought I was eating them. What's a puffball puffball? Fungus that grows and on the inside can get different. Spore colors as puffball starts to mature so if you actually meltdown the puffball with a bit of Baby Oil it can get a block of pigment away talking magic mushrooms. Well now it just little Winnie Puff Boli round ones lovely and delicious but luscious another. Good thing that I like to use is a Skyro- So we get given one in our hygiene packs and we're supposed to use it for our dishes but I actually take it out and I use a former face. Six years ago at the infamous J. Block in Burma we had one off occasion with. Pso border over some Avocado and Greek yogurt. It was for facials aimed. I'd been in jail for nearly two years locked up in the main section I I also heads to little portrays but I went out and I picked. The baby shoots a set him on my window sill and dried them and on my therapeutic poeple herbal tea and then the office is cut the trees at because we weren't allowed eight the granary. Saudi plum lips beauty hacks looking good imprison more ways of surviving in prison Shut down emotionally. I'll put up. Walls suddenly people in not trusting too easily and keep quiet one of the ways I survive in hinge pretending. I'm not here combination. I expect pretend my survival mechanism is to pretend pretend I smell lovely and sweet. 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Bonus: "Bunch of Clowns"

The Investigation

30:25 min | 2 years ago

Bonus: "Bunch of Clowns"

"Welcome to a special bonus episode of the investigation and crisp last senior executive producer at ABC news. I'm joined by Matt mosque senior investigative reporter and special guest. Today's James meek, and he's been a member of our investigative team. But is also has been tracking and covering the Julian Assange story since it broke in two thousand six today were also joined by special guests, Sean Langan who has worked with James over these past few years and at the center of it all Julian Assange, there are very few people that know him, but the man were talking to today has spent at least fifty hours over the last year inside that Ecuadorian embassy as recently as last month, and we're going to get an insider's look inside that Ecuadorian embassy. Sean Langan is a well known war documentary filmmaker who was taken hostage by the Taliban in two thousand eight. He's also an ABC news contributor and he joins us by phone overseas. So listen, you recently have spent some time you spent a lot of time. I think Julian Assange tell us about the last visit you are with them. It was two weeks ago on a Friday. We have these regular social visits the embassy call it because he's not allowed to have me or anyone these out to give interviews so every other Friday, I've been going along we bring lunch, and we sit in this room where they looked at all and the idea is to sort of help pasta time in his room. I mean, what's his room light? Is it just like a hotel room or can you move around pitcher for us? Yes. I well. After five hours, I found very claustrophobic. I'm wanted to get out. It's a small embassy in very nice part of London in Knightsbridge. But it it's it's a it's like an old nineteen fifties Havana Spanish, Mexican embassy, and you offer into a one room which has a long desk, and it's a meeting room, and then they lock the door. Music, right. Sean is one window. That's called mesh on it to stop electric Easter pinks. There's no natural light. There's also cameras CCTV security commerce, you'll being filmed and then Julian Assange for his own reasons to two counts of the measures this recording filming he puts on music. So you sit there for five hours in one room. They lock the door. And I went along with a friend of his phone Smith who's been one of his loyal supporters. And when I was that they have to speak with music was blaring out, David Bowie. Can you hear me major Thome? And I think the other speeco some classical music, sometimes he he plays whites noise. So it's it's an unusual environment. He seemed to settled I mean today, I mean, obviously was arrested. But was was he that way when you saw last week? Well, he looked though. So the loss humans before Christmas. I went into see him, and he really has since since relationships with the Ecuadorian government deteriorated, his looks and his physical being change. So he in the last few months had very long hair not like whole the videos of him on TV which from four years ago five years ago, he now has long had an until few weeks ago. You had this very big bushy bid, which I know today his head was in a ponytail. And he's he's shaved the bid. He's trimmed it so. In fact, I thought today he's looked he looked slightly more presentable than he has in recent months stress that he's doing that. Or is he just I mean is it is it a heart of darkness kind of thing? And I'm not saying this as. A supporter of June fans or WikiLeaks. I was I was kidnapped by the Taliban for four months and captain room. Now, I know his very different circumstances. And he sold his sign them. But leaving aside the reasons why in five years inside. Now, I was this crowding during a picture of this one room with his dog darning table and room full of listening devices. He actually just next has a small bedroom where he's been living for five years. But in the last six months with the new 'Ecuadorean government, it's no longer even a friendly small Ellis varmint, it all the visit type being very polite, but they would knock on the door and hand him Elif it saying or document plea sign this the you agree to some new terms or you agree to a health check. So going back to your question takes its toll. You know since Christmas. He's been expecting. To be thrown out an extradited and physically as well is taken it's toll. I think not being with some like not having some light like vitamin the he was shaking has lost time. I met him. He turns with his left hand rather way. I think he's now has back problems muscle problems. So yes, I'm sure it's it's it's both stress stress related and also just physical confinement is taken tone, but he has been eager Sean talk about his situation and even some of the characters that have come before Muller's investigation. Jerome Corsi Rogers down and so forth talking about the jet parked in Heathrow. The US department of Justice jet. Recent. He loves Callixte talk about this stuff and dance around whether WikiLeaks did business with the Russian intelligence services. Right. Yeah. Well, let's see a number of things I met him. I think when you know wicked. I broke out on the world stage when they were releasing the various cables and on befalls, and he was very different pass. And then he point thrusted into the limelight. As I mentioned, it would affect most people who suddenly from pace news and every country in the world, they sort of I imagine a computer geek, not with the greatest social skills in the wild clearly into that kind of hacking wild what my some people might consider conspiratorial, the man, I met in the last few weeks is very different I want this struck me is that line, you know, through suffering, one empathy. And he he now he looked me in the eye. But she think, but I I but in five years ago, this would have computer nut didn't make eye contact with federal humans and just to before all your question about the jet being there. The Americas were planning I felt really sorry with there is this human element to the story because whether you like. What we leaks to or you don't or whether you like him as a personal note on another very many camps divided on this. He looked me the I, and I could sense. And he said it he had this real fair now, which I think is about to be realized spending the rest of his life in a supermax federal prison in America. Happening there. What will happen? Well, there was too. So I if they wanted if he was known American prison being beaten up on then I said what the charges on more likely. I mean, like gallows humor it was it didn't make him feel. But I said well, don't worry about being beaten up you'll most likely going to be put into one of those federal max because we don't see a soul. And then I really saw his is someone who's just spent five six years inside that confined space will be it still free. And he's this autumn the idea now that he could face the rest of his life in isolation. You can see the told his taken on him. And that. It's an unpleasant thing ninety nine so hanging over his head the whole time, and I can see real fair. And it's now real, you know, in the years before I imagine there was a slight impression that it was all bit of a game. All people think these people they've seen too many movies or so any does tool could he talks them out, Sean when you've gone to CIA off, the NSA a superpower off to you. But if I feel sitting in a room surrounded by cameras and listening devices, and I'm it's no matter traumatic, and it's not some conspiracy movie. I imagine these organizations in US intelligence organizations very much focus on him and it's taken its tone. And he's under great pressure. Well was having lunch. He I would ask him these questions about the the motoring Clary investigation, and the the charges of organization did did we key leaks collude with the Russians only did they cooperate with the Trump campaign team in win to Elif those democrat files he would describe now I this is my opinion of him. And the way he argues sure he would just disagree with my take it. He seemed to be very strong on things when it suits him. And then while the vague on other things, but he was very strong. And I think this is being born out by the what we know of the murder investigation that he described roaches stone, Trump junior those. Bunch of clowns not quite those bunch of clowns spine organized this kind of thing. I suspect he may that might be correct. Still, Sean, I'm curious if you know does he still carry with him, the the sort of value set that he's always had about protecting his sources where could he turn around under these conditions and start talking about where some of the material for Wiki leaks came from he's very guarded on that. And I think that's one thing. It's this hold six years seven years embassy. One thing that's being shown to he's he's that sort of count to type who's not for changing not compromise on often to his own expense. You know, he's an absolutist as were. I'm not sure myself pass and having spent time in the other Wiki leaks people, including Chris news now head of week leaks. You know, how principle to always is, you know, sometimes they have their own principal. So when you'd ask him questions about the timing the release of certain files, I didn't always feel they're on his were concrete others might be was more. Generally, what he thought of President Trump? Yes. Well, I mean there was the famous, quote, which I discussed with him that when he a few years ago at the time of the election. He said, well, the between Trump and Clinton was seen cholera at gona rail. I was never sure which one was he was referring to as Connery or caller. But he knows that the president champion him. What was it James one hundred and thirty seven times they were gonna play some of those bites. I love with links. The sad part is we don't talk about WikiLeaks. Because it's incredible WikiLeaks just released. Another debate question is just came out Wicky leagues. Another one came in today. This Wiki leaks is like your treasure trove. In fact, Trump just came out and said that he knows nothing about what he said moments ago today, it's not my thing. But what did he say about Trump? Didn't he comment on his marvelous use of social media with me? I think now, you know, when he was out of these clowns used phrase's onset clowns. And he was specifically referring to the stone about point and Trump junior. I go the impression Hugh might include the president in that view. It was not he did he did not hold him in high regard. And he was quite dismissive. But in previous conversations I'd have him. And from my reading, my understanding was you know, they were I did see the tweets between WikiLeaks and sometimes direct puzzle. Trees Trump junior. My impression is that time. He was getting carried away and excited to be there in the middle of the US election and in touch with winning campaign team impressed with Trump's ability to use this. Yeah. Twitter, you know, platform of the millennials something like an idiot savant and one of your meeting. Yes. Yes. And so that's why I think when we talk them out principles and do they give out sources? I think perhaps thing he would is. But I think he was swayed. My one. Impression. I have my I suspect the reason why if I wanted to kind of when you talk to him anyone who turns against him. He toes on his they trait. You know, when I mentioned brought up how he'd co pay to meet in the policy British and American medial film directors all of a stone, the go to news the Neo times. And then full he inevitably fools out with everyone, and I'm invited to lunch. But if I send against him. I'm sure I would be cost out. But my impression is despite no doubt. I will be cost out meeting again. Perhaps if he does get is a sign off fisted thread to this. And I'm sure he was swept top and lovey idea that he was a power broker, and he played a part in the US election doing back to what you were saying that maybe he's afraid his face a spending the rest of his life. Solitary confinement in a supermax prison in Colorado when he give up what he maybe one. Would he give up sources would he make something up to try to get out of jail difficult question to all I can tell you what I know what he said. One of the hardest things he found psychologically to deal with is even when he was confined embassy. He was still in control of his global network WikiLeaks, and he talked about that. And yet he wasn't in controlled with own body pass inside that and I could see it was it was debilitating. And it's quite crushing. And the way he was looking ahead with do the thought that he would be in a fall worth are related place. A max prison in America. Who knows how man will co what he would say at that point. But you're getting those his mental state has changed pretty dramatically. Just your observational. I would say I've noticed this with having observed close close the hostages hostages someone who survived five years in that six seven years, whatever it is in that Ecuadoran embassy. Visit enormous amount is incredible strength and reserve. So if if it's well known amongst cost kidnap captivity psychologists, if you love fat long, he developed this thing where you can keep going the real trouble happens. If when you'll let out and you try and revert back to life in the free world. So in fact, so even though I said physically you taken it's toll that doesn't mean he wouldn't keep dying in that. So I think he's capable of lossing amount showing. Can I ask you about the Russians have put out a statement from the Kremlin today condemning his arrest? And I think we've heard when he was before he was confined in the embassy that he denied the Russians were involved in leaking material to him did shed any more light to you on his relationship with the Russians or his plans to potentially go to Russia. Over the course of these lunches, which loss it for five or six thousand I would occasionally off questions, and he was happy to told on them. You know, he denied a specific questions. I'll give you just quit rushland denied releasing the pedestrian democrat files two hours off to the grabbing video he said. Incorrect. He he was going to relief. And if you check with league statements, it wasn't it wasn't to help Trump on the Russia front. He shoot denials on pointed questions he was saying when he said no to things he was more like soft down conversation than an expensive dinner. You asked about this the communications with guts two point. Oh, which Muller in an indictment of the Russian intelligence operatives references, and he said something you about the fact that they wicketless we're not the only ones talking to that persona online as Akpan that I took to be a non denial, and they in fact, he was saying yes, he had that was an admission being in communication with deuce to and his response was why voices and AP and others had in in communication with them. So why pick on WikiLeaks? So that wasn't a direct denial. Toting fatigue. I'm trying to imagine his day in court in the United States. If that day comes I'm curious on what you think he will be like when he shows up at the courthouse. If he appears on the stand what what do you expect? Well, we saw today briefly, you know, he was shouting out. Some you know, like, I don't want to use the grandstanding. But he he was using that he was not moment in public us being taken out of the embassy by the police and put in they're back their trucks he was in political mode. I think he'll very much hunker down battened down the hatches and will use any Colt hearing any public hearing anytime he gets he will see is a political act, and he will make statements. I imagine whether one unfairly could call it maps capably, he's going to be having, you know. But I think what I can say for sure is this is not a game for him. Now, he knows. What's that steak, and he could be facing life in solitary? So I think this is now whereas before when the first week leak scandal broke, and he was put under house arrest and even with the Swedish allegations, this is no longer a game for him. You can see in his eyes. He's really deep down scattered being beaten up in some prisons, but deeply disturbed at that's being in solitary for the rest of his life and cut off from his beloved network of WikiLeaks the legal indictment. The American diamond is actually only saying that he is being charged with a crime, which would only face five years in jail that he gave the passcode or helped Chelsea Manning while you know, in the last visit he did tell Shawn Shawn. Shares of our reporting ourselves -ment that they were going to try to prove that Assange was not a journalist his longtime defense. And then he had done things has methods were not what journalists do and he seemed to be aware of that. Right shot strategy. Smile. Whatever he talks about theories because you always as though is greater shorthand. There's always clear how you would know. But he has told the meetings I've had with him how when the murder investigations I've when Trump fake on. You can go off to to fans, you know, an Tommy wise he's as well toll often about that that the release of vote seven CIA files and previous files the diplomatic cables. So so angered whether it's State Department CIA deponent's offense that they were going to go off trim, and they were the secret diamond sealed in diamonds and the weld with C. And so he's never thought of it. It's just five years, but yes, he was talking about and WikiLeaks people had been in touch with Chelsea Manning's defense team. I didn't have Chelsea many personally. I. Think she declined to talk them. But when the grand jewelry recently, taking place, dealing with the Chelsea Manning case weekly reaching out, and he was very aware of the indictments and the questions she was being off and relating to how he could see he said, I can see this is where they're going to golf to me on this from the is solicited. I wasn't acting like a John this republish, the I was encouraging manning to to hack he saw this. He knew they were going to come after. He he sits there and his cut off from the world. But also connected. He was saying interesting. I'm not quite sure how he's managed to do when they cut off internet. But one thing I do if I'm in embassy within hours, it's home some YouTube WikiLeaks person talking about and visiting Nope being allowed in. So he's told about it. And it's he's somehow connected in able to be connected to all his rookie league supporters and help us and hackers. Around the world. So he's very well. Informed about developments in what's happening in Ecuador. He seemed to be always one step ahead in the Ecuador's at one point we're accusing him of hacking their system. So yes, he's very well informed in many cases with the Justice department of the grand juries, and then he spends the rest of his time thinking about these things and. You said he thought that some of the Ecuadorian Cici TV cameras were piping live video into CIA headquarters in Langley Virginia. Visit you said it was like a development light. Yes. Now, this is now being as though before it being recorded, then sent to the CIA, but he was saying now, this is now being fed live to see I nine. Does he have a plan? Do you think Sean does he have some idea of what he's going to do next? I'm sure the various I mean, it's with the British attorney lawyer they out of game play rather like the British and the Americans the Ecuador's all sides of being gaming this various Nour's how how this is going to play out. And I'm sure they all prepared that chess moves, and well Vence, we'll do Chris's point the charge against him in the United States seems to have predicted his next chess move at does it precludes a defense that he's a journalist at doesn't actually go after him on any crime that would allow him to say, I deserve the protections of journalist. Yeah. Whether it's being fed live or no, I'm sure I'm sure they. Publicly, and privately I think the move, and in fact, his lawyers happy in tolls that the British and you're straight in embassies homes but involved, so I think it's it's a chess moves a kind of has been some level of discussion amongst the various governments involved and his lawyers. There's always been a story or the stories recently that if if this day had come there'd be a secret trigger of dot, man. Switch deadman's switch. Do you believe that that he would unleash some kind of attack cyber attack on the world and in revenge or a trove of documents that have been stolen from the US or the governments that we don't even know about something. That's something. He said to me he I he was preparing for this time. So when when when there was in the news reports that the Arab playing with leaks tweeted, there was a plane, which is already reference that had been involved in some previously a US government Bishen, the I and he was thinking aloud musing on the possibility as we're having lunch that thing maybe they're British apple waiting to render rendition him to American. Of course, it didn't happen. And I often that point, you know, all you prepared for just in case, you know, the Americans common you're on a plane, and he said, well, you know, I've made some preparations and I've recorded this. He explained what he has done is. There's probably a statement whether it's audio printed visualize no prepared statement that they would be able to. Police in the event that he's incommunicado new one of the story that came up recently. And I think it was the guardian newspaper. Correct me if I'm wrong about Paul Manafort, and his visits possible visits and meetings that he had with Julian Assange, do you know anything about that? So that was one of the early on some things when he's on strong around. He's very adamant. And he's not. So when these I think on safety out, so he was very adamant tank. And I I'm not sure I can use this way to the vast never met him. So he strongly denied that where where the leaves doubt is when you were you in communication with a third party or an inter interim Venny cats vague. So, you know, there was other people so on the poem full. He said they once again. Media. You know is not true. Never happened. Himalayan anderson. I know this is a big u-turn. But what what was the nature of their relationship? Do you now? I met with James the frontline problem. She was visiting him regular, you know, he he's tied of meeting lawyers. Only normally me is his lawyers league with him. I has was very much social visit. She would bring gifts not wanna thing. I could also you haven't offie directly is I do know the Ecuador's allow overnight visits. So I think be a social visit like mine won't Smith. And can I just ask because just as set it straight? There have been all kinds of reports about the conditions that he's under and he's put feces on the wall or that he doesn't do any dishes or that their cats around feral, can can you shed some light just on what it actually looks like. Smells, like, a gilded cage, but a cages the cages the cave. So, you know, the asshole amity is very small little it's like a local console very old fashioned nineteen fifty dollars spanish-mexican founded, and there's this one room where you sit for the table. And here's this very small bedroom next with a small single bad. There was a tiny galley kitchen. And when we go for lunch, he goes in this little galley kitchen get the plates, and we eat food, and then he takes place mines, and he will wash them up on the wall that you saw no cat droppings set. And he there was no smell about him. I it was it was all that really affected him. This is where when you're in that psychological battened down the hatches some things hit you more than others. So he's prepared. We attacked or undermined or criticized by the CIA. But when the new times described him having smelly socks he got really hurt him. And he was a women would think of him for that at one point. He let me in the Sean, you know, I it's clearly to you. And he said, yeah, I mean, you know, when I look into resigned. I know she's now thinking, you know. Yeah, he raped those women, and he's smelly socks and I was thinking. Well, I think the smelly sauces and quiet binders woman thinking, you raped another woman. So I was thinking he's he's definitely on a spectrum doesn't quite get things. But not on fab. He's Kaley Jenny. Really upset for the women and the public Neo times publishing reports which are on through. And I think it's fair to say every witness it myself, the Ecuador's always very polite with me involved on and most of the time with Jillian his hands. I did in the last few visits. His angry was spoken outside. But it was clearly deliberate on an ongoing attempt, psychological war happy because everytime aren't the visit. They would knock on the door and hand him something to sign, and he wouldn't know what he was being office signed with give them the excuse to throw him out. So there was this very much of psychological dark heart's on. How do you force someone out of the embassy? That's utterly fascinating. Sean for the inside. We really appreciate it. Thank you for joining us today. Please be sure to hit subscribe and leave us rating, thanks to our producer Trevor Hastings for my colleagues. Matt Mosk James meek. I'm Chris Blasio, and we'll see you here. Next Tuesday for another episode of the investigation.

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5.31.21 Legal Docket, Moneybeat, and History Book

The World and Everything In It

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5.31.21 Legal Docket, Moneybeat, and History Book

"The world and everything in it is made possible by listeners. Like us my name is kerry garrison and i live in kalamazoo michigan with my husband. Jared in one year old son. I listen to world while my son naps. And i catch up on things like painting fixer upper home. I hope you enjoy today's program. Good morning new jersey wants to veto a proposed pipeline that the energy companies sub to build it appeal to the supreme court this case and you know this pipeline will not be built at least if anything like its current figuration. That's ahead on legal docket. Also today the monday money beat a conversation about the new federal budget. President biden has proposed a record setting six trillion dollar package plus the world history book. Today we mark the one hundred seventy publication anniversary of a story that changed the culture. It is the most popular book in history. There is no competition for that title. It's monday may thirty first. This is the world everything in it from. Listener supported world radio. I'm mary writer and nick eicher. Good morning time now for news with kent covington. Republicans in the house want congress to investigate the origins of covid nineteen. Gop leaders have penned a letter demanding that house speaker. Nancy pelosi allow a probe into the matter. House minority whip steve. Scalise said sunday and look at some of the scientists in china. Who were getting ill early off from that rule on lab and yet they won't have an investigation on it. I don't know what's gonna take. But i think a lot of this noise is starting to break through where speaker pelosi's feeling the heat and democratic congressman. Josh gottheimer of new jersey agrees that there is growing momentum for a congressional probe. I think my colleagues. And i agreed that we need to get to the bottom of this and find out the origins of the virus and that means investigating it meantime. The biden administration and britain are turning up pressure on the world health organization to take a deeper look into the origins of covid nineteen at initial report from a who. Investigative team said that it was extremely unlikely that the virus escaped the wuhan lab but the us diplomatic mission engine. Eva has issued a statement saying that the first phase of the study was insufficient inconclusive and called for a more thorough investigation. The british ambassador in geneva. Simon manley seconded that president biden last week called an intelligence agencies to step up investigations into the origin of the virus and report back to him within ninety days. Deputy press secretary corrine jon pierre. We have to get a better sense of The origin of covid nineteen and also. How do we prevent the next. The next pandemic. Cnn recently reported that the biden administration earlier this year halted a probe that started under president trump into whether the virus originated chinese lab in israel opponents of benjamin netanyahu on sunday appeared to move closer to a coalition deal that could end his twelve year. Run as prime minister. Neftali bennett leader of the amina. Party announced sunday that he will join a coalition to topple. Netanyahu bennett is a former aide to the prime minister theresa rival and it could be forming a power sharing agreement with opposition. Chief layer the lead. That could see. The two leaders rotating the job of prime minister over the next four years. Israel has held four elections over the past two years with each ending in deadlock. Two people are dead and at least twenty others were wounded after a shooting outside of a banquet hall in south florida miami. Dade police director. Freddie rodriguez said. The gunfire erupted early sunday morning after a concert inside the building when the console is wrapping up other individuals that were standing outside when his vehicle pulled up exit and began shooting indiscriminately into the crowd. Authorities believe the shooting was targeted. Not random no word yet on a motive. Police did not immediately announced any arrests and ask the public. For any information that may lead them to the suspects universal studios and seaworld in orlando are no longer requiring guests to wear face coverings. Both park said recently stopped requiring masks outdoors but still required them indoors and while riding rides as of now that is still the case at disneyworld. Universal and seaworld both said the move was in response to newly announced cdc guidance. Both parks said they're asking people who are unvaccinated to continue wearing masks however they are not asking guests to provide proof of vaccination and theme parks weren't the only place looking a little bit closer to normal movie theaters. Were busy over the weekend. There are people out. There were saving the thriller a quiet place to haul it an estimated fifty seven million dollars in ticket sales over the holiday weekend that pre pandemic sized hallmarks. The return of summer blockbusters the r. rated action flick. Nobody finished second with six million dollars for the weekend camping. Tin and straight ahead a pipeline dispute at the supreme court loss the origins of memorial day. This is the world and everything. It's monday may thirty first. This is the world and everything in it and we're so glad you've joined us today. I'm mary right tandem. Nick eicher way we did. You just say may thirty first Yes i did. Yeah you know what that means i do. And so does our fellow co host myrna brown. Who recorded a little gift. And i'm the one who gets to present the the to the healthy happy birthday mary. That's better than cupcake any day. Oh calorie free and the beautiful voice of mirna. My sister from another mr you so much. I hadn't heard that one before like that. Listen before we get started today just in case you missed it last week. I did want to repeat. Thanks for all the first time gifts that came in this month. You responded in such a wonderfully generous way and used up all of the triple match that several families had contributed to encourage new financial supporters. Hit all came in early two almost a week before the end of the month. And that definitely gives us momentum. That i think's going to help going into our june giving dr wu and we'll get started next week. Yeah i agree and you know it's interesting. 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Well it's time for legal docket the. Us supreme court handed down three opinions last week. All of them nine zero unanimous decisions. I the court made it more difficult to challenge deportation. You'll probably remember this one from last week. Mary told you about the case of a man from mexico deported after a conviction for dui driving under the influence she also reported. The supreme court had some time after his deportation ruled in a separate case. That d- you. I ought not to be considered a deportable offense for those. The law defines as illegal aliens later on deported. Man again entered the country illegally. But doing that is even more legally serious. Re entry carries a higher penalty than initial illegal entry. Nevertheless argued that because today a d. You i would not get him deported that his re entry ought not carry an enhanced punishment so he sought to challenge the underlying orders as we reported but last week the justices nine of them said no in the view of the court. The man failed to follow clear procedure to challenge his first deportation. So this one is on him. A second decision is a win for the island of guam against the federal government. This dispute is over a dumpsite in guam that the us navy created in the nineteen forties guam sued to recoup some of the cost of cleaning up that site. The narrow question was whether such litigation is even allowed. The answer is yes and the case remains to lower court to sort out the details. Third decision is a win for online travel. Companies like orbits and hotels dot com several cities in taxes brought a class action against them seeking certain back taxes but the city's lost on that matter in the appeals court assess certain costs against the city's at issue. Here is one of those costs a payment made in high stakes litigation to secure an eventual judgement. That two point three million dollar payment is what the city's asked the district court to change either to reduce it or deny it altogether but the high court ruled the district. Courts have no authority to alter costs awarded by appellate courts so the cities will have to pay that amount after losing that underlying case. Okay now onto oral arguments. We have two of them today. This first argument pits states rights against the need for more fuel pipelines. It came about a week before the colonial pipeline shut down on may seventh that crippled fuel supply on the east coast. That will no doubt add urgency to the eventual decision. In this case here are the facts. Pennies pipeline company is a consortium of five energy companies. It wants to install a pipeline from pennsylvania to new jersey about one hundred and twenty miles worth of pipe. Pence needs to acquire land along that route. And that's the point of conflict here as new jersey objects paulk lament argued for pennies. Saying i never meant for states to have veto authority like that. And he sounded an alarm. If we realize this case then i you know this pipeline not be built at least if anything like it's currently figuration and depending on exactly how we lose this case i think the federal interstate pipeline until the law is changed will be at the mercy of new jersey. Because i don't think there is a way to reroute this pipeline in a way that doesn't implicate a interest land clement emphasize that pennies has really just stepping into the shoes of the federal government here which has powers of eminent domain justice. Elena kagan seemed to question his premise and that raises questions in my mind as to what the government involvement in this case was another word. Was there any supervision by the government. Was there any participation by the government did any lawyers for the united states approve the timing of the condemnation action command answered. Yes by the federal agency known as firkh. The federal energy regulatory commission once approved the route of the pipeline commissioners took objections from property owners and made modifications to the route that was all done under the auspices of the federal government. They approved the route in the certificate. Right down to which. Parcels were affected. Once that happens the way it has worked for seventy years is that the certificate holder then gets to go into federal court go to federal court to sort out disputes over eminent domain at that point the preceding is against the land itself and not the state pipeline company only pursue eminent domain actions. After for has done its work. In essence clement argued that for delegated its authority to seize land by eminent domain on the other side new. Jersey's lawyer jeremy feigenbaum. He argued that the law governing all of this. The natural gas act says nothing about the federal government delegating its power of eminent domain to a private company. Private companies don't have power to overcome the sovereignty of a state that objects to land combination by eminent domain justice samuel alito wondered. What if instead of pen east being party to this dispute it was firkh the government agency. Listen to this exchange with new jersey's feigenbaum still a lawsuit directly filed against the state by a private party which we think of exactly what the framers thought would be an offense to the fundamental dignity of sovereignty. It's you can't be held into court without their consent isn't jerseys dignity really in any kind of practical terms compromise to a greater degree based on the caption of the lawsuit. We think he asked. Because if it were otherwise than all manner of course cases would have to come out. I think differently. The fact is the offense to estates. Dignity is the private party lawsuit and that's the through line of all of this court cases and sovereign immunity. Several justices worried about giving states. Too much power to block pipelines but new jersey calls that in overblown worry after all electric transmission. oil companies. don't have eminent domain power. They have to negotiate with the state. So why should natural gas pipelines be any different the federal government sides with pen east in this case it's lawyer deputy solicitor general edwin. Kneedler argued that if a private party is doing work in the public interest. Then eminent domain power extends to it. I detected no strong leaning either way however the court decides implications exists for private landowners and fuel users alike. Okay final argument today. This is a dispute over esoteric bit of patent law but it's important because it helps the free market work for the general public protecting intellectual property and thus driving innovation that benefits all of us. Here's the background. A company called minerva surgical applied for a patent on a device. That treats up gynecological problem. It then assigned its rights to the patent to whole logic a competitor assigning patent right implies that the thing is able to be patented once the patent registration came through whole logic said minerva infringed the patent then. Minerva claimed. the patent isn't even valid merv developed and wants to sell its own device to treat the gynecological ailment. It says the products are sufficiently different to allow for it and then the patent paperwork wasn't adequate to justify a patent the two sides are fighting over a doctrine called a signer. Istanbul the assigner here is the entity the patent so the assigner can't put a stop to. That's where the word stop will comes in the signer doesn't get to challenge the validity of the patent it assigned to someone else the assign e again. A signer esta apple. Minerva says it is high time to dump that doctrine it wants to challenge the validity and has all sorts of reasons. Why it's lawyer. Robert hochman sites the law as in his favor doesn't provide for signers topple and never have fact. It says invalidity. She'll be defense in any action. Interjecting some alliterative creativity later on. This is exactly the kind of doctrinal dinosaur that you abandoned that you give up on lee otherside lawyer. Matthew wolf invoked. Another doctrine starring two sizes. That says the decision stands in other words. It looks to court precedent to decide and when looked at in that way his client wins after all the doctrine of signer stop been around a hundred years. But chief justice. John roberts out. It's not as locked up as all that mr wolf. You began by talking about starring decisison signing some authority for it. But you have to weigh against that don't you. The court's description of a signer topple as a failure and the court statement that to whatever extent that doctrine may be deemed to survive. It's not controlling so it's not the strongest story decisive argument so while there have been critical language when the court explicitly refuses to overturn case. There's no conclusion other than it remains. Good law perhaps justice. Steven brier summed up the courts. True task in this case. I can understand abolishing it. You understand keeping it but limiting it. I'm finding trouble in finding the right way to do that. The right way to limit the doctrine that's the task people who want to keep the doctrine of a signer. A will say it's a good thing because it settles things once and for all and that reduces uncertainty in the law but others say if inventors can never challenged patents that are much broader than what he or she meant to assign in the first place. Well that's unfair and could wind up choking off innovation. That's this week's legal. Additional support comes from the institute for excellence in writing. Teaching writing could be easier. The new think three weeks video instruction free at i. E w dot com slash free dash lessons from redeem tv news worldwide faith based video streaming service subscription is free at redeem tv dot com and for music in our home school easy to use online music courses for all ages at learn dot music in our home school dot com Coming up next on the world and everything in it the monday maybe financial analyst and adviser. David johnson joins us. Now it's time for our weekly conversation and commentary on business finance and economics david. Good morning. Good morning nick all right. The number is six trillion a record new federal budget of six trillion dollars proposed with a t trillion. So let's talk about economic policy. David yeah i motor different than some of my conservative friends on this stuff because the math is not anything we didn't know right. They're coming through and putting together a budget because they have to by law but all of the things that are in there things that are already been proposed and and we're part of the campaign. And so i think at the end of the day the notion that we are in a period where politicians feel that the people want them spending exorbitant amounts of money in a combination of things. Mostly chance for payments. But that there isn't necessarily a clearly defined point at which there's resistance clearly defined point which the taxpayers say. No that you know the sort of tea party moment at twenty ten twenty or nine doesn't really exist anymore. I think that's pretty well known. I think that'd be true if it were republican president as well so i don't feel that there's a huge economic implication to budget being proposed of that level of dollars. We're already spending that level of dollars where we're spending that and then some Depending on which bills pass and which ones don't so right now the notion of there not being limited fiscal side of economic management is well baked in okay. So i'm taking your point david. This budget proposal comes as no big surprise. But i'm looking at a wall street journal story on the budget that talks about and debts. And maybe before. I get into that Just a quick definition of terms deficit when we talk about the deficit. We're talking about the one year. Difference between what we spend and the tax revenue that flows in and a single year's deficit. That's what into the overall debt that we carry an so debt represents the total deficits represent the year to year increases in the debt. So looking at this. The white house is projecting a deficit for fiscal twenty twenty two of just under two trillion dollars compared to the overall that's about eight percent of gdp or what. America produces in a single year compared to last year. Then it's a decrease from an almost four trillion dollar deficit with all of that emergency spending that we did so. Those are the deficits the debt. Now in huron quoting under the budget plan debt held by the public would rise to almost one hundred twelve percent of gdp in twenty twenty two surpassing the level seen in the wake of world war two debt would continue to rise in the following years reaching one hundred seventeen percent of gdp in the year. Twenty thirty one in other words. That's a pretty heavy load. Yeah the Conversation i agree is somewhat important regardless of the details. really important. what you said by the way. That'd be the smallest deficit next year that we've had in these last few years. The point is next year. They're projecting that deficit post covid without cova bill. Three cova bill to cova bill one and infrastructure bill etcetera justin a normal pro forma of the united states. There are projecting with no wars going on and in a substantial economic recovery deficits of well over a trillion dollars. And that's after. We had run in about a two year period five or six trillion dollars combined deficit on top of the national debt. We co vid with a twenty one trillion. Do the details matter a whole lot beyond that. I i don't think they do. I think that the point is there's no authority it's a fix it. You're not gonna hire mckinsey or and to to come in and advise on how you can cut some costs. There's no medicare or social security reform coming or being proposed or discussed in even the most remote of ways. The last republican president we had ran against the idea of entitlement spending reform so the vast majority of what affects the national budget is transfer payments social security medicare medicaid obamacare more recent times the various covid relief measures and. There is absolutely no appetite whatsoever. So in a sense. I'm all for talking about it. But i just think we have to be very honest. What's going on. Sometimes you gotta talk about it because there's this battle taking place like there's some the wanna spend more in some the wanna not spend more. There's no such battle. There's no conversation to join taking sides. There is no side here and what is happening is that the people have demanded this level of spending and the people are getting it and my view is that such debt represents a continued on deceleration of growth of the american economy which continues to exacerbate inequality socially and otherwise cultural inequality for the very kind of obvious reason that rich successful people are incredibly resourceful at navigating their way through such times and most people lack the resources to do such navigation And that's what. I expect to happen for years and years to come. And so people here this Increasing the government debt and at the same time seeing stories of of rising prices and paying rising prices. And we're hearing talk of inflation in the economy. And i know you're hearing the same things i'm hearing. I am of the opinion. This is not what a lot of my conservative friends wanted to hear right now. Because i think there's a lot of people that do like the inflation narrative they like pinning price increases on the really poorly thought through third cova stimulus bill on biden administration policy. All of that. And i'm really critical of those policies in that bill myself. But i'm really more. And more in the camp these inflationary price signals are going to prove to be highly cyclical. I think that the deflationary pressures that are coming on the other side of this are going to be quite quite significant and so this is not ever to be taken as me having a positive outlook about this. It is very concerning. It's just simply the disagreement as to whether or not excessive government indebtedness in developed nations is primarily inflationary or deflationary. But it comes down to this neck. I believe that excessive debt polls growth from the future into the present which therefore means you get less growth in the future that lasts growth means less loan demand and less loan. Demand is by definition atallah. Judy deflationary when Dollar is spent in the economy. Even printed dollar that becomes inflationary when it gets spent quickly and over and over again but when it gets spent once and then sideline did put into a savings account and sits in a bank I guess sort of exterminated or removed from circulation. That's not inflationary and the correlation in history. The better way to say this as the inverse correlation that velocity goes down in direct proportion to debt. Going up is about is perfect and economic law as anything. I've studied so i just simply don't believe that. Excessive government debt is inflationary in a developed country in a banana republic. It is. it's a failure of government policy. When you subsidize something you raise the prices of it and those are the inflation stories. We should be talking about those economic. Those impact people's lives. Those are permanent. The other inflation stories. I think a lot of people are going after him for click bait for a political jab in a moment and it's not very thoughtful in my opinion so that's my little hobby horse about all this stuff all right. Thanks david bonds and financial analyst and adviser. He writes at dividend cafe dot com easy e mail. Sign up. if you'd like that delivered to your inbox. David talk next week. Today is monday may thirty-first good morning. You're listening to world radio and we're so glad you are by nick. And i'm mary record next up on the world and everything in it. The world history book today memorials the origins of memorial day. A fictional slave who sponde- a change and remembering christian martyr. Here's senior correspondent katie. Golden five hundred and ninety years have passed since the english burned. Joan of arc at the stake. The french heroine claimed to have seen saints. Who told her the lord. One and joan to help. France defeat the english. She said she had her first vision at age thirteen. She was just nineteen years old when she died on pyre in ruan france on may thirtieth fourteen. Thirty one historian. Rachel gibbons told the bbc. Her death is key to her legacy if she had been found not guilty of heresy. It's very unlikely we'd ever heard of him dying as she did. Making sacrifices of herself for what she believed is what brought joan of arc to prominence. She convinced charles. The seventh air to the french throne and his military commanders that she had divinely inspired knowledge she did have an exceptional military mind for an uneducated farm girl leading france to notable victories against the english. But she didn't win. Every skirmish the duke burgundies men captured her in handed her over to the english the imprisoned her for over a year on charges of heresy which craft and violating divine law for dressing like a man the heresy charge centered on her claim to have heard directly from god after wavering. A bit joan refused to recant and insisted on wearing men's clothing knowing a fiery death awaited. Her joan asked a priest to hold a crucifix high for her to see atop the pyre two and a half decades after her death pope callixte us the third declared the charges against joan of arc without merit. He made her a martyr and a saint france. Now counselor among its patron saint moving from sainthood to slavery. Harriet beecher stove was just nine days shy of her fortieth birthday when the first installment of her anti-slavery cereal uncle. Tom's cabin began its ten month. Run in an abolitionist newspaper. The national era published. What would become the hottest work of fiction of that century on june fifth eighteen. Fifty one are blakely gilpin as a history professor at tulane university he told. Pbs the bookmarked a cultural turning point a decade before the civil war it is the most popular book and the most influential book in american history. There is no competition for that title. It's going to convert millions of americans not to being for immediate abolitionism not being for racial equality but for being against slavery. Now that's a huge thing that's a sea-change prior to writing her famous novel stowe lived in cincinnati. A border city between free. Ohio and kentucky slave state the white women's firsthand experiences seeing the dichotomy between slave and free made her increasingly outspoken against slavery. Stowe began to write. What she expected would be just a few short sketches for the abolitionist newspaper. Giving the slaves perspective gamaliel bailey in washington. Dc edited the cereal. It ran for forty weeks and picked up steam and readers along the way the story of the gentle and virtuous slave. Tom vote compassion from readers. Cassandra nubia alexander a history professor at norfolk state university told cbs news. The cereal made people see ongoing injustice in a new light and it made us see ourselves. It was our emotional mirror And it prompted some individuals to rethink how they thought of slavery after publishers. Package the installments into a novel. Printing presses ran twenty four hours a day to keep up with demand. It became the bestselling novel of the nineteenth century and the second best selling book. The bible took the top spot. And finally some of you are likely enjoying a three day weekend. You have the uniform. Monday holiday act to thank for that the. Us congress passed that law in nineteen sixty eight saying the country would observe washington's birthday memorial day labor day and columbus day on mondays. The united states had celebrated memorial day on may thirtieth every year but on may thirty first nineteen seventy-one fifty years ago. The united states made a point to observe memorial day on the last monday in may. For the first time memorial marks time of reflection honoring in mourning the members of the united states armed forces who died while performing their military duties we at world offer our heartfelt gratitude to the fallen into those who are missing them today. Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. It has to be fought for descended by each generation. That's this week's history. I'm katie golden Very appropriate way to hand on this memorial day. Speaking of which i think. You'll want to listen tomorrow for the story of goldstar mom one of our wj. I students met lillian. Hammond will bring us that story. Also tomorrow universal pre-k. We'll tell you why not. Everyone is excited about plans to expand tax payer funded education and christian. Counseling will tell you about a therapist suing over restrictions on what he can and cannot tell his clients that and more tomorrow nick and mary record the world and everything in it comes to you from world. 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"The public theater returns to audio drama with groundbreaking bilingual spanish and english production of romeo equal yeta directed by sahim aleve with loopy dongyang s. Who yet that. And plunged gus. Daniel rahmael listen wherever you got. Podcasts listener supported w nyc studios listeners. Every thursday night during president biden's first hundred days in office. I'm hosting a series of calling. Specials called america. Are we ready. And we've been having such good discussions with our guests and with callers from across the country that we want to share them with you on this podcast feed. So here's this past thursdays america. Are we ready. I'm brian lehrer. This is my daily politics. Podcast from wnyc studios kisses a weekend special this hour how to move on from donald trump's relationship to the rest of the world to trump get anything right in the ways he reset with china with mexico with international treaties like on climate and iran should president biden revert to obama biden policies. Or is there a better newer way. Good evening everyone. I'm brian lehrer back with you for america. Are we ready. And as i mentioned before the news today began the first meetings between biden secretary of state and national security adviser and their chinese counterparts. Very interesting after trump was so focused on china transforming. Us policy toward latin america including at the southern border is already complicated with illegal crossings. Near a two decade high of the biden administration itself nother question. How much vaccine stockpile should we share with other countries and there is so much more. We have two great guests this hour beginning right now with farid. Zaccaria washington post columnist. And the world. Affairs host on cnn. Many of you know his sunday morning show called reads ikaria. Gps he also has a book out called ten lessons for post pandemic world for read. Always great to talk to you. Welcome to america already and we're still getting reads line. Hooked up and free now we have. You're right you do have me. I was on muting myself The next book i write about the pandemic will be called. Can you please on mute yourself. That's a good title when we can all look back and laugh maybe a little bit Let's start with immigration biden's homeland security secretary hundred orcas admitted this week. That illegal crossings are on pace for nearly two decades high. Nearly one hundred eighty thousand people have arrived at the southern border since january. Is the number you cite in your column last week. In the washington post which is headlined. Biden's generous immigration policies. Could turn out to backfire. So what's he doing that. You characterize his generous. And what would a backfire look like. It's already backfiring but let let me begin. By saying the joe biden is doing a much better job on immigration than donald trump. The trump administration have have put in place almost a thousand different rules. Regulations new fees that are all designed to make it much harder for be immigrants. Students even tourists to visit the united states to extend their stay to stay for longer to work for anything at every stage it has been the most is the most successful part of trump's generally unsuccessful public policy. They're really focused. On this biden has overturned. Started to overturn lots of it however the one area where i think he has made a mistake is on asylum policy of the southern border. The trump administration ended up after the kids in cages and separating them from the barents they ended up finding some way to deal with the crisis which has been according now for almost five or six years and the biden people overturned that as well. What's the crisis the crisis in the you're having lots more people than ever before arrive at the southern border asking for asylum. Now asylum rules are different from regular Immigrants and that requires that they be looked at carefully but the truth of the matter is ninety five. I would sit. I would guess ninety. Nine percent of the people coming to the southern border and asking for asylum are really just traditional immigrants. We what i hear from the immigration advocates. Is that there is such a crisis mostly in central american countries That that's what's driving it and to the extent that it's unaccompanied minors which is so much of what we hear about in the media who would send their kids to go to another country by themselves unless it's really an asylum or the crisis so what they flee is essentially poverty and violence often gang violence. But that's what everybody fleas. When they come to america the asylum system was set up after world. War two really in light of what happened to the jews in germany in the one thousand nine hundred ninety s that is the systematic singular persecution of groups of people because of their ethnicity religion or political views. It has been used very sparingly throughout. You can tell right about this. Brian ninety the vast majority of get turned down. Because they're actually not applications and on the unaccompanied minors consider this the number of unaccompanied. Minors has gone up. Fivefold ever since. Joe biden change to trump rule. The trump did not allow did not make a special exception for unaccompanied. Minors biden does so. I hate to put it this way. But people are gaming the system and what they're trying to do is to essentially go ahead or in a different line than regular immigrants and because they come at the southern border and produce crisis we now have as as the secretary said not just a twenty year high. But you'll have ten times as many people who are coming claiming asylum as there were twenty years ago conditions central america ten times worse than they were twenty years ago provocative position. Let's take our first caller dish originally from india iran america. Are we ready. Hello so dish. He hung up. All right Well since we went that way. I let's try another caller originally from india sanjay. You're on america. Are we ready. Do we have you. Can you hear me. i can hear just fine. Thanks a lot for calling so give us one piece of. Us foreign policy would like to see biden implement toward india Well it's a really delicate situation. Considering india's one of our strongest allies in that region especially considering having mutual A common enemy so to speak in in china but as someone from janae where who In thumb do that is a state. That's not as ardent supporter of the bjp You know i've been seeing and reading about all of these These racially Charged attacks against muslim people in in india and he's so much less policy than a public announcement of the way that the bjp has been either allowing or straight up advocating For these hate killings again shined personally against muslims sante. I'm going to leave it there. So we have time for a response and farid. India's your country of origin too isn't it. It is indeed And sunday points very interesting and important and difficult dilemma. For the biden administration. It is courting india as part of the kind of A coalition of countries to contain or deter china India is actually not very stalwart allies. So far it actually has not agreed to do joint military maneuvers with the. Us still buys a lot of military equipment from russia but the hope is that they're moving in that direction. The problem is as central points out while the us is trying to create a kind of alliance of democracies to To combat chinese authoritarianism. India has been moving in the wrong direction. And this is not my opinion there. Two very respected Into international think tanks freedom house and japan and sweden's v demonstra toot both downgraded india to inau democracy on their lists of democracy and these are very data oriented very factually based Analyses and in both cases in case they call india and electoral autocracy and in one case Freedom house has downgraded india to partly free as opposed to free. So it's very worrying India's let me ask a quick follow up to trump who did have alliances with authoritarian leaders when it would seem to benefit him enable india to any degree to sink to that status of not a full democracy is any of it on trump. As far as you're concerned and in a way that biden could reverse and have an impact. I don't think so. I think that would exaggerate. America's influence india's a vast Country very internally obsessed. It's certainly true that the fact that the united states for four years has been utterly unconcerned about democracy and human rights created a general atmosphere in which people like a modi of india aired one of turkey bolsonaro and brazil territory in the philippines. Were able to To erode certain rights with a greater impunity. But i think the direction that india was heading is probably largely a. It's it's a very deep internal struggle and as you said. Hindu-nationalist has been a powerful force in india now for a couple of decades. We're gonna take a one minute break and then we'll continue with tonight's edition of america. Are we ready tonight. It's america are we ready for the rest of the world in this series of thursday night. National call ends for joe biden's first hundred days as president will continue with reads ikaria and more of your calls. We'll get into that meeting. That began today between biden officials and officials from china. How big reversal. Maybe it's not as big as people are expecting from trump on china are we seeing from joe biden. Stay with us. It's america are. We ready are thursday night. National call in show for biden's first hundred days on brian lehrer with cnn's global affairs host and washington post columnist for the ikaria for another few minutes. Then susan glasser from the new yorker will join us as we keep taking a cause and keep talking about. How biden is trying to move on from trump's america first stance toward the rest of the world. And we're taking your calls if you're an immigrant from anywhere or are listening now in any other country on one piece of us foreign policy your country of origin might like from the biden administration or the same for the country where you are right now if you're calling from abroad eight four four seven four or five talk and anam originally from palestine. Are we ready. Hello anna how are you good. Thank you for calling thank you so much Yeah so. I wanted to talk about the palestine israel conflict and That's been going on for a while now and in light of the recent pandemic You know the heavy restrictions on palestinians receiving vaccine so i'd like to see biden I know that israel is an ally that i'd like to see biden Kind of shift. His policy toward relief efforts in palestine and to You know basically on a humanitarian basis Assist in efforts to hope to have palestine realize itself as a sovereign state Just in light of the pandemic And this crisis that's been going on for the past year. We've seen how it's affected palestinians On every level Including not having access to be the vaccine and then thank you very much for your call. and freed zaccaria. They're always competing versions when it comes to the israeli palestinian situation i think the israelis would say they haven't denied palestinians. The vaccine that public health is a palestinian authority responsibility and they will go back and forth. The two sides on things like that But how do you see. The biden. Stance toward the israeli palestinian situation compared to trump. We don't know yet Brian it's a very good question So far They haven't made any big moves in either direction by biden has always been a very strong supporter of israel Look the the the unfortunate reality for palestinians as. That's that the the main access in the middle east over the last ten or fifteen years has shifted from being one about israel versus the palestinians and instead it has become one about saudi arabia versus iran or the sunnis versus the shia and in that new dynamic which is really The dynamic that has been galvanizing middle east for the last suddenly. Since the iraq war israel and the gulf arab states that have traditionally tended to finance the palestinian cause saudi arabia the united arab emirates and companies like that israel and those gulf arab states are on the same side. They're both An anti iran In some sense anti and so what has happened with the trump administration took advantage of. Was this new reality. And that is why you have had the normalization of relations with the united arab emirates and israel with bahrain and israel and so in a sense the pressure is office well to do something on the palestinian issue. Because they're getting you know. These arab countries to normalize relations with them without having to make any movement on the palestinian issue that bashar on and is he interested in doing that. I don't think so. I think that ultimately the the reality is that arabs are moving in the direction of their self interest and there remains this big somewhat insoluble problem with palestine with the palestinian issue. Which was if you have a divided palestinian community and leadership hamas in gaza and Fatah in the west bank and my guess is biden will say you know is not worth the diplomatic effort That would take. I'm not going to get much success as i say. It's a kind of tragedy for palestinians in the in the region. But that's how i see it. Let's go next to amy originally from taiwan emir on america. Are we ready. Thanks so much for calling it. Yes hi Brian I my concern is that I like to tell the american government to stop selling those Overprice outdated Weapons to to china's government and i like to see the biden administration Star Putting together some kind of peace be between taiwan and men in china to mow to encourage A peace agreement and sign a peace agreement. So we stopped his increasing of south of on outdated weapons To the china's government looks like You know provoking war. Thank you very much for that. And let me use that as a jumping off point for read To talk about the high level talks that began with china's to top foreign officials. Foreign policy officials today in alaska. and biden's top to security adviser. Jake sullivan and secretary of state antony blinken. Here's what blinken said about china. In a major foreign policy address on march third china is the only country with the economic diplomatic military and technological power to seriously challenge the stable an open international system all the rules values and relationships that make the world work the way we wanted to because it ultimately serves the interests and reflects the values of the american people. Our relationship with china will be competitive when it should be collaborative when it can be an adversarial. It must be so read. Can you translate that from diplomatic into english. I think you hinted at it. And one of your teases. Brian which is you asked Is this scenario where the biden administration has has changed much of the trump administration's policies. And i think the honest answer would be no. I think that this is an area where you see much greater continuity between trump and biden. Then then i would have expected on sleep I think that they're approaching it somewhat differently. They're trying to gather the allies together. And actually you know these. These meetings with the chinese have come after. There were meetings with america's closest allies in south korea and japan They are Clearly legal even open the door for greater cooperation but to be fast so to trump in in the in the first years of his administration i think it reflects the reality that politically in america There is no real constituency for a warmer more cooperative relationship with china that while trump was was a big china hawk actually became one after covid So as bernie sanders. So is nancy pelosi. So is chuck schumer and i do actually worry that When you have a situation like that candidate politicians were diplomats and statesmen feel kinda boxed in that there's no there's no political incentive to for example cooperate with china on climate change or cooperate with china on trade That you end up with a slightly Uncreative policy where everyone is just going on. The everyone has jumped on the anti-china bandwagon which by the way has a has a small impact on the the atmosphere within the united states You know a chinese americans. So it's it is something i worry about but for now. I think you'd have to say when a struck on this issue the continuity with the trump administration rather than the reversal of for. Read before you go and we switch guests and listeners will keep taking your calls. Euro wrote a washington post column in january when the administration was only week-old call the pandemic will not end unless every country gets the vaccine. Now there's a debate about whether the us should be stockpiling zanuck shots for possible use when they're approved here or if there's a moral responsibility to share those with countries that are already allowed to use them now including ones not as economically privileged as you have a position on that and whether it relates to what kind of superpower the us should aspire to be. Let's start with the reality and give the biden administration the credit it deserves. the united states is utterly transformed. Its situation with regard to vaccines When joe biden came into office we wouldn't vaccinating about seven hundred thousand people a day. I think there was a day last week where we vaccinated four point five million people we vaccinated in one day more people than have been vaccinated in italy in intended the entirety of this pandemic. So the us is miles ahead of every major country. Other than the united kingdom it is probably stocked by already two hundred million vaccines more than it needs so we are absolutely in the position where we can start to think about being generous towards our neighbours towards the poorest in the world and it is the kind of enlightened self-interest for which the united states has always been best known for. It is something we should do because we are the richest country in the world. But it's also something we should do because the only way you get rid of a pandemic is of everybody in the world was vaccinated otherwise we will sit here worried about new variants worried about restrictions on travel and trade never really be able to get back to life as normal and by the way most of these investments have already been made. We are already paid large amounts of money for these vaccines for the supplies. So it's not even as though it would take a huge amount of additional money. It would just be a question of recognising at some point that we have more than enough for ourselves that there's enormous need in some of the poorest countries in the world. I i actually am confident that that is. This is the direction. The biden administration will go in biden is very much somebody who comes out of that world view that says the united states leads not just by its military power but by its acts of generosity it's predominates provision if you will public goods for the world And i think that he he will want to go down as the as the person who showed that generous face of america the world not simply the clenched fist. Interesting and we should acknowledge that they did take a first step toward down down. That road Just today announcing that the us will release for million doses. Total of the astra zeneca vaccine to mexico and canada combined for read sakaria washington post columnist host of read sakaria. Gps on cnn and author of the book ten lessons for a post pandemic world. Thanks a lot for read as always buying the pleasure. This is america. Are we ready or thursday. Night call in series for biden's first hundred days and with us now. Susan glasser who writes the letter from biden's washington column for the new yorker. It was previously called letter from trump's washington and she's got major foreign policy chops of her own having been editor in chief of foreign policy magazine. Moscow bureau chief for the washington. Post co bureau. Chief and co author of the books kremlin rising and current one. The man who ran washington about former secretary of state james baker. Thanks for coming on susan. Welcome to america. Are we ready. Great to be with you brian and listeners. Our caller stands immigrants from anywhere. Tell you a fellow listeners. One thing you would like from. Us policy toward your country of origin. Eight four four seven. Four five talk susan. Let me introduce you to our listeners. By taking advantage of your knowledge of russia the government announced this week. The us government that russia and iran were both trying to influence the twenty twenty presidential election russia on behalf trump again iran behalf of biden. Apparently and that china mostly sat it out. What's the best in tarrant intelligence you've seen on how much mischief russia cars this time and whether any trump people enable them. Well i think the thing that is striking is actually your last point. Brian this convergence In a way between trump's support that russia was offering an amplifying in this election cycle and the fact that they were connected to according to this declassified. Us intelligence report connected openly to trump supporters here in the united states. They don't name them but it appears Trump's lawyer rudy. Giuliani is is one of those they're referring to and then also just the coordination in a way and the convergence of the two messages. You have questions being sewn about the integrity of the us election both by the russians and by The president's own support a former president's own supporters. And so you know this is really. I think the next step in evolution from russia's support of donald trump in two thousand sixteen by twenty twenty You know there's this sort of Almost established feedback loop in which You know you have this. Russian disinformation that that's becomes The subject of a propagandistic Documentary on a pro trump american television channel. Let's go next call. It's callixte a generally from haiti. Colette stay. you're on america already. Thanks so much for calling in yes. Thank you for taking my call. Can you hear me can hear just fine. What would you like the biden administration to do with respect to haiti. Yes absolutely The biden administration needs to focus on. I think you just touched on it a little bit. Wild go when you said What type of superpower. America wants to be in this world and Haiti is a country that has been taken advantage of By all western superpowers More specifically the united states Bill clinton has came out and said his policies has crippled the country With certain policies and trade that he had placed but the biggest thing that biden could do is bring france to the table and have france actually Pay haiti the reparations. That they made haiti pay to france. When haiti Fought french colony once upon a time. Correct in this in eighteen. O four in that amount of money. has really crippled the country. That amount of money that left a young country like that in eighteen four Really crippled the country in to this day. Haiti is the poorest country in the western hemisphere and collects they. I'm going to leave it there for time. We really appreciate you calling in and susan do that. Haiti is the poorest country in the western hemisphere and the us has had a tortured relationship with it. I don't know if you have your eye on. Us haiti relations at all did trump at all and is a biden stance at all in a minute before we go to break well. Unfortunately donald trump had the view You know and had a famous meeting in the office with some senators which he referred to haiti. I believe among others as at you know sort of the whole country is countries that it did. It did and You know again. Donald trump was not interested in the problems of haiti. And i do think in general even for a different kind of administration like biden's this is a pretty inward-looking moment. For the united states of america we've had You know domestic political crises combined with the pandemic combined with economic upheaval And i think that You know between the demands of focusing on great-power competition with china and russia as we talked about and this sort of sclerotic internal domestically much attention right will continue and then it was susan in your calls america. Are we ready. it's america. Are we ready. Thursday night national. Call in show for biden's first hundred days. I'm brian lehrer with susan glasser from the new yorker and we're taking calls if you're an immigrant from anywhere or listening now in any other country on one piece of us foreign policy. Your country of origin might like from the biden administration or the same for the country where you are right now. If you're calling from abroad eight four four seven four five talk before we take our next caller susan. Let me play. A short clip of president biden from last month when he addressed america's european allies in virtual international conference. I know i know the past few years of strain and tested our transatlantic relationship but the united states is determined determined to re-engage europe to consult with you earn back our position of trust leadership. And so susan. Can you put some meat on those bones. In terms of any specific policies that biden has enacted in his first fifty eight days. The ties us back to europe. Ways trump untied us. You know that that that is where it gets harder right. It's a lot easier to have a reassurance tour on to go around the world sort of reaping the benefits if you will of donald trump's unpopularity and joe biden has done that. His voice have done that. they've been very. i think. Adept at playing off the world's almost palpable sense of relief. In most places that donald trump has gone and replaced by someone. Who's much much more. Solicitous of america's traditional allies in relationships. However it's early days and on foreign policy actually what we're seeing this week in some ways are the most concrete step so far. Where what you're seeing. Frankly is a a willingness to consult with and to coordinate with allies before turning to adversaries like china and russia. And that's why you had the secretary of state. Tony blinken and national security adviser jake sullivan. They're meeting in china right now in alaska even as we have this conversation with a chinese they really made a point of going to meet with the japanese and the south koreans to historical american allies in asia. That were really at times very troubled in their dealings with trump who often preferred to pursue his great relationship with xi jinping s. He called it or his love affair with kim jong un in north korea as he called it so i think that's where you see. The biggest difference is in that bringing allies in on the front end. One follow up regarding europe on the paris climate agreement which trump took us out of and biden. Of course put us back in. Detroit have a point to any degree in your opinion when he argued that one of the reasons europe was for that treaty. Is that a tied. The us hands economically more than theirs. Because we're the world's biggest per capita greenhouse-gas polluter think that's an accurate stat. So europe regain some competitive advantage over the us economically well. Look i'm not a climate economist. I think in terms of the foreign policy aspects of it What what the biden administration would say like the obama administration before it is first of all This was something that america had its hand in negotiating on the front end also. It's countries are responsible for meeting their own targets right. So it's not that you're handing power to some other country That's different than some of the climate goals and how they were structured in the past And i think the real issue is also what's what's going to happen going forward Many of those were targets that were designed to be potentially meetable. So i think you know again. Trump was was a master of disinformation misinformation. When it came to the paris climate accord as with so many other things he and his administration would say. Well you know we're here to represent the citizens of pittsburg not this is paris. But actually there's you're not representing The citizens of a foreign country these are climate rules. That apply only to the us that the us is buying into. So it'll be interesting to see what the next round of climate diplomacy as everyone agrees that there's a crisis john kerry the former secretary of state has been tasked by become. His climate. envoys is dealmaker as you know he's eager yearly looking. Is this somewhere where we could actually cooperate with the chinese and the russians at a time of tension in the rest of our relationship. I think that's going to be a sort of internal conflict. Frankly in the in the new administration's they figure out. carries desire to make deals versus The tensions that foreign policy actors are going to are going to emphasize note that you cited that famous trump line that he was elected by the people of pittsburg not the people pass. When in fact the people have pittsburgh voted in the majority for hillary clinton but alexei originally from russia. You're on america. Are we ready. Hello alexei hi. Thank you for taking my call. Indeed i am originally from russia. And i wanted to suggest an ask susan and yourself whether an acknowledgement of the reason sanction regime is effectively useless toothless symbolic in nature and is based on moral principles. Admiriable as the are but has failed to achieve any practical objectives. And whether in the spirit of real politics perhaps in abandoned abandonment of these sanctions. Or at least more. Practical posture towards russia is in the cards. I think in terms of solving some of the world problems that would be more beneficial to america's interest interest than what we're seeing today alexei. Thank you very much and in terms of what we're seeing actually today susan. I'm sure you saw this biden called putin a killer and putin recalled his ambassador to the us. Well that's right. We're not going in the in the direction of reconciliation and in fact you know alexis point about rounds of sanctions whether they've had any effect on russia today is actually the. i believe. it's the seventh anniversary. Today of russia's illegal annexation of the crimea from ukraine which triggered back in two thousand fourteen the current rules of the various cycles of sanctions which the us and its european partners have placed on russia for that Illegal annexation of territory. Which is the first such since the end of world war. Two and you know so not only do. I not see those sanction's going anytime soon. But what we've seen from the new biden ministrations. So far is not only a tougher. Line like president biden's a you know response when he was asked about putin and he said yeah yeah i think he's a killer but it's not just rhetoric you're also seeing the biden team Say that they're going to put more rounds of sanctions. In in fact they just last week announced one set of sanctions To respond to the poisoning and detention of alexei navalny. Who is russia's leading dissident as you know he was Apparently poisoned By an illegal chemical agent novichok and nearly died was saved When he was allowed to go to germany he chose to fly back to russia russia's response was to imprison him In a prison camp so the. Us has just set another round of sanctions in place. There are more responses. We're told by the biden team that are forced coming in response to the massive russian hacking solar winds hacking that took place last year that donald trump did not Respond to or seem to wanna take seriously in a public setting And so we don't know what the nature of that responses but we're not headed in the direction. I would say more conciliatory policy to say the least right now. Mike and atlanta originally from ethiopia. Hi mike you're on america. Are we ready. Yeah thank you. Thank you tell fellow listeners. Around the country. What one piece of foreign policy from biden You're the needs of ethiopia might like to see One thing i want to the biden Musician follow is I want them to get the information from the drought were from the exact place I want i want the government not to take any Information from a paid journalist and lobbyist that makes a big difference for our country because the fact on the ground is quite different from information. They're getting from the paid journalist. And i run into something specific. And i'll admit that i don't know what it is in probably a lot of our listeners. Don't know what it is. Who gave them. What piece of what you're saying is false information Recent recently on cnn. They were reporting that egyptian troops. did some Associati in the two great region but the facts on the ground is doesn't That's not the case. What what happened is the epa of government. When they lost the war they just free paint thousand prisoners and put on a The federal the federal troops uniform. They're tyrian troops uniform and everybody thinks that the federal troops did all this atrocity but the facts on the ground. No that tigrayan prisoners did all those bad things. If if if that happened built on their reporting and that mike say thank you very much for call. I don't know if you're focused enough on. Us policy toward ethiopia. Or what's happening over there. As my describes it or as other people describe it to have a take on what. Us interest might be with respect to the opium or us responsibility. What you know it's interesting. I mean this is definitely not something. I'm an extra but just today. Actually president biden announced that he was sending basically when he was closest allies on capitol hill. Senator chris coons of delaware to ethiopia. And i'm just looking online here. According to national security advisor. Jake sullivan to convey president finds grave concerns about the humanitarian crisis and human rights abuses in the tegray region of ethiopia and the broader risk of instability in the horn of africa. This is a really unusual. Move on and i think it suggests how seriously Biden and his team are taking these reports. It seems like the caller is essentially disagreeing. That there is any human rights abuses her crisis unfolding right now in that region. So i think it is significant. That biden would choose to send. Chris coons to is a foreign policy specialist senior member of the foreign relations committee. In addition to being basically like biden's essentially kind of personal on roy on capitol hill close to biden from biden's home state of delaware. As you say. Leo in cincinnati originally from venezuela. You're on america. Are we ready highly. All right thank you for having me. One piece of biden policy toward venezuela we know trump had no love for the venezuelan government. Which has no love for the united states. pro-trump in this respect. And what would you like to see from by well. i would like to see Nothing more than a strongest let's say sanctions. Us sanctions ago. Gone regime the regime is that he's connected with narcos he's connected with old rock countries that has been Traditionally the american life on ryan now they regime regimes. He's giving all those resources that our country used to all still have all We're gonna have all those resources are landing hands of those raw regimes talking about north korea turkey iran russia cuba on them are taking advantage of the How unstable you just might grand jury and trying to get this Unstable the whole region saw for biden would like to see on a strongest even more strong as Approach with a mother. Jeanne onto the mom in that need to be turned down. I will tell you this. They should be dream of every venezuelan get by countries that used to be that that that one trust full partner also prior for america right now in this position sadly in a position that The people suffering a lot and regime east only connected with the rock countries. Leo thank you so much for your call. We really appreciate it and susan glasser. We've been hearing in. What i think has been an amazing call in this hour with people from literally from around the world Originally now all living in the united states as immigrants with things that they think it's important for the united states to do for the sake of people in the countries that they left. We have a few minutes left in the program. And i'm curious if you can take a step back and say as a former editor in chief of the nagazine called foreign policy what is us foreign policy. Four in general terms as the us has seen it historically and other countries like any of the ones that we just heard from immigrants from would like it to be. You know brian. I think it's a great moment to step back in the sense that the crises of the last few years it's been an inward-looking time in the united states and of course donald trump played off of that with his america first rhetoric and you know the the pandemic last year. We've literally been sort of sequestered at home contemplating our own election and the troubles here and in a way. It's really i think caused me and other people to wonder. What does it meet. What is american leadership in the world mean anymore Joe biden spoke at from the very beginning of his presidential campaign about american leadership in the idea. Hey world just hold on. We'll be back. He's now proclaimed that he's leading policy of being back but the truth is it's not clear. There's the stomach for the kind of american leadership that we saw in the in the immediate post cold war era That moment of of being. The unilateral global superpower guarantor loan guarantor of the world order has sort of frayed against the demands of a american reliable. That are clearly urgently-needed but right in with a with a follow up question and in our last minute and a half or so your book. The man who ran washington is about james baker who among other things was secretary of state under the first bush. I don't have to tell you At that moment when the soviet union collapsed and then the first gulf war came about biden was in the senate then. Is there a key lesson. You think biden and his foreign policy team can learn from the james baker story about what to do or after baker helped entangle us with iraq. Would it be more of a big lesson about what to avoid you. Don't brand. I do think that joe biden like jim. Baker is in some ways. A man of a different generation when american leadership Still seemed almost like the default setting. And i do think that's joe biden's default setting As a foreign policy thinker. I think he he certainly cares more about american values in human rights Then some more politique politicians in both the democratic and the republican party but yeah i think he is a previous eras view of america as the sort of shining city on the hill lone superpower. And i just think that american possibilities and capabilities and the the stomach the american people have for engaging with the world is just. It's just very different than it was twenty years ago. Never mind at the end of the cold war when Jim bakker suddenly found with the soviet collapse. That america was all alone. as the world's guarantor susan glasser who writes the letter from buns washington column for the new yorker and is co author at the man who ran washington about former secretary of state among other things. James baker. thanks for coming on susan. We really appreciate thank you and thanks again to farid. Zaccaria who was on earlier and listeners. Thanks for your calls and thanks for your ears. 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Amazon Aggregators what questions to ask when selling your Amazon business with Jeremy Bell of Elevate Brands

"Welcome to the ten k. Collective podcast for six seven and eight amazon and e commerce sellers apart of the amazing. Fbi family if you want to scale fast target seven figure exit and enjoy the process. Thank you for listening. Today's episode is sponsored by the new e commerce podcast the ecommerce leader co hosted by myself michel visi and jason miles top one percent a shop. If i store owner and utilize highest rated e commerce instructor if you're the owner of a thriving e commerce business look for the commerce leader on your favorite podcast and subscribe today. Ladles and jet spoons and kills. Welcome to the ten k. Collective podcast the play for six seven and eight figure amazon says and today we are talking about the bigger picture of selling a brand and more specifically trying to figure out who you might be setting too. So we're talking to jeremy. From elevate brands jeremy's the chief mergers and acquisitions of certain elevate brands that buys of consumer leading amazon brands and that elevate them set full potential and joe has been in the amazon basin. Twenty sixteen so veteran amazon salad which really helps. And that's part of what we took him out today. Sa- festival djembe. Welcome back to the show. Thank you michael. Good too good to be back. So let's talk about this in the last episode. You talked about the phrase in investment banking said that one of the big prizes was qualified. Buyers are really gotta understand who it is you're selling to so we've got a little list of i think eight questions that should be asking of checkpoints that any business owner. He's considering selling should be asking themselves about their bias. So that's plunge into this. Tell us about point number one here also so maybe before we dive in just just to share like why this topic is important is we've bought two. I think we bought three businesses this year. Where people who've gone down sal process and it didn't work out and and their engagement with house is the second time that they've had to go through the process to sell their business and providence equity and it was doing deal suck and it's because like effectively oil doing an underwriting is just verifying that the opportunity stacks says a lot of analysis of legal work and it's just box taking actual the opportunity. Stacks so you never wanna go through that process twice and qualifying. You'll buyer is case. So yeah that's what we'd like to that. That's why i'm passionate about this topic. So the first the first question that i think any anyone thinking about selling their business and talking to someone is how could operator of the business is this potential by going to be going forward so the key question that you should awesome is caught me through your operating experience and perspectives of managing this type of business in this case and amazon. Fbi business in this niche and how they respond to that will be very telling around because you had to operate the business wants involved and whether or not they hit the right buttons or talking points kinda really goes a long way to qualify. Does this person know what they're doing. So that one. It's really simple one but it's k. And then ask some questions like what's your experience dealing with light. Fbi check ins for this type of product. Or how do you say getting around lock. This potential has mansur and that will very quickly distinguish those who get it. And those who don't so just go and think about some of those operating challenges you deal with whether it's getting blackout attacked own dealing with four excels or whatever it is you kind of like stresses you out as as an operator and just throw those. Just throw those potential people interested in your business and seeing how respond buffet. Yeah i was gonna say what. I really like about it. Sorry to interrupt she. I i was gonna say that's great is that's absolutely one hundred percent with all of our experience. We know the things that we ask there but it but it sounds like when this good wisdom one as soon as somebody says is incredibly this but you hadn't thought of it that's one of those because those are such easy things to talk about because we spend our lives thinking about them but it's just thinking of actually asking them because i guess there's an assumption that i would make if i was selling my business to somebody that they know that stuff and i guess weenies test these options right. I guess that's the point right. Yeah one hundred percent because if you're meeting someone for the first time often through zoom call. They've got an impressive background. They've got really great professional experience but just get down to the brass taxes. What's involved to upper amazon businesses. They're not easy to operate the very complicated operating businesses. And there's a real skill. And i think many sella's underestimate how good they actually are doing what it is. I do day to day. And i just kind of dont probably value that skill set. Yeah um into that. Yeah that i love that. There's really great stuff. That's a wonderful thing because it doesn't require. Having an emanate background to be an expert. Answer that question in fact is the opposite. It's like you adamas an operator. You're well equipped to question beautiful. Okay so what's the second the second of eight questions the the the next one kind of fades into the topic of have you actually met the person and this is particularly important if there's an announced structure or if want confidence that your business isn't going to be run into the ground during the process or the underwriting process or the pre bid process. Have you actually met the tame and the specific people that will be managing your business going forward because if you haven't if all you're doing is making a bunch of like finance types like me. Then how do that you businesses inside a safe pair of hands off you kinda sign the contract and the money's in your bank account so again it's it's like a simple one but if people talk about a great team in the operating processes they have very simple question to prove it to me. Who's gonna be managing this business. And then that person. So what do you think about this. what do you. What about this niche. Like what do you think some of my opportunities and just just really as it out of them to see how capable there so that again. It's one that just kind of flows into finished topic. Nice and guess again. Basil amazon operating experience. Where beautifully place once you meet. Somebody like that to ask themselves questions that you would be with just the same stuff you deal day in day out right how we had a listing suspension last week. How would you deal with that or are suspended last year and they're going to know the dirty laundry anyway by diligence. There's no let you revealing terrible like s that that would be my first question have to say because how do you deal with the lumps in road as well as what's the upside of she didn't see in how you're going to grab the question will positive questions. Yeah i guess the was amazon freighters now you can make an extreme point that we undervalue our skill. Set one of the skills. The i've notice is kind of a mindset ability to bounce back from not only some really major slugs in the face but also the unknown quantity of. How long are you going to be suspended. How how is this. Ip change going to affect me. What are the rules on that. Level of uncertainty is actually something pretty hard to deal with. I think and actually this accessible. I know just handful and i find that very admirable like one guy. He got an account suspended that he's doing half a million dollars a month for three months. What i really admired is he came back from china by a year and a half later he was doing million dollars. Like that's awesome. That's a mental strength. i don't think everyone's necessarily. It's your own business unit freak out more than if you hundred brands. But i'm not sure that i would trust that. Everyone will deal with that situation so that would be the to question i personally asked but maybe i'm just a bit tito now. A hundred percent. That's one hundred percent. Kazakh business started as in hull saddle. What some people call retail arbitrage and we got suspended three times. The longest was for three months. And it's having the kind of just the drive to get through it and the experience to know that when the situation happens is what you do to get out of it. So it's it's just. It's just kate. Because there's a difference between being lock in honor operator. Where like you. You got suspended you lose sleep for two weeks. I constantly stresses you out versus someone who's just looking at your business. I could say digel yup hundred aside as what my my members put it the other day i trying to find cleaner. She said yes so he just came in. I had mentioned it to him before he said yes. I just had my count reinstated after thirteen days off does a bit of feeling experience and the thought yet. I know exactly what you mean. He was very calm about it. I still yeah. That's why even the right to say this table these guys. I'm very proud of the guys who have the most month small but growing businesses. 'cause the courage level needs to deal with is not small so yeah totally with your not. Let's let's get going through the list number three what. What are we looking for the k. One here is like again. It's very simple question. Like how much experience do you have not operating buying an amazon. Fbi business because buying an amazon fbi. Business part of the beauty of it is a lot of the diet or is really nasi organized in through amazon portal. So you can take that data and very quickly like get a high degree of confidence in. The numbers are accurate. But the other thing is there's just a bunch of like the term we use is like we know where all the bodies are buried like every time we look at business. We can pretty quickly probably because we've seen we've looked at so many move acquired so many because we're operated like we know where all the pressure points saw and and getting to getting to what those the difference between going through diligence really quickly and gone through diligence very slowly is a seasoned bio will know what i need to focus on what actually matters whereas an unexperienced by will kind of fumble through it and when i hit one of these potential issues or or were areas then spent a lot of time trying to understand how big a risk studies. Because really what you're doing during under underwriting is he just doing a calculation of do we properly understand the risks and is that reflected in the purchase price so every time we look at a business the first couple of things that we do is we just mmediately go to. What are the things that could kill this deal immediately. And that's what we look for and that's what we go try to. That's what we go and try to uncover because otherwise it's just a waste of everyone's time it hurts the the sellers business and it's bad for our brand so we bought a bunch of these assets. We know where the bodies are buried awesome lack. What's your plan. What do you need to understand in the underwriting process. And how much experience do you have buying these businesses. And what are the key issues. Yeah what are the key issues. You're looking for is very good. It's a very good question. I let me just write this down. I'm making copious notes as ever folks if you want to get the notes at amazing e. dot com for slash pancake to more easily ten k. Collective dot com. Where we the stuff for their podcast. Yet this reminds me by the way. It's this much simpler but much more frequent transaction that more people be familiar with if you're trying to get a mortgage for property is not the same thing but it comes down to excess diligence. I remember that a while ago. My wife and i bought a property that we rent out and one of the questions that came back from the the mortgage company was. There's a mismatch between the spelling of the you'll g mail account for my wife and had said and senators carter and jen mccarter demata cone and mccarter is is just an italian term. And she's the classical musician so it's just a normal word in we. Just salutes lethal. How is this relevant. Anything anyone can have anything said email address. It makes no difference. But because they've employed a bunch of people had no idea what they were doing. They were worrying about every stupid little detail as opposed to really really important stuff like can we afford to pay the rent or the mortgage in this case. Say i totally hear what you're saying. Let's move onto number four then so you'll buyer talking about due-diligence than let let's talk a bit more about that process so having it feeds into the last point awesome like what like joined the period. All i should be trying to do is understanding. Do i understand. Cannot confirm that the economics of this business are accurate and second. Is there anything that the seller has done. The would change the fundamentals of the business from an amazon perspective so have gone on board a bunch of fake reviews. Have i been doing anything. Black hat or black hat to optimize performance and then the next kind of caving the bison look for is what is the supply chain look like and if i do what i wanna do with this business can supply chain scout with me and my advice for any selo going through the process is if your supply chain socks than just be up front about it because the biggest problem we've had with any business with required that stops us from growing is often in nearly all circumstances. It's it's been the supply chain. So so how does that fade into the due-diligence plant like they're the key things that people are gonna wanna hit on and and what you wanna do is you want understand. A what stage in the process of agony. Kinda get to that kind of bucket of analysis and completed because a good goodbye. We'll be able to tell you like planning wake. One is to get to this point at the end of this point at the end of week. One we've not following risks off the table and we don't need to talk about that again that doesn't it. That's all good at the end of way too. It's like we've confirmed that we've completed blackout review and we think that the reviews legitimate and you haven't done anything to game traffic all boost convention that saw screwed at the end of wake three. The deals progressed in. Everyone should be more comfortable. It's going to get done. We're gonna accommodate the supplier and we're going to have a conversation with them told the factory in short. You've got override. We often do elliot but ensure you've got all the right whether it's compliance certificates certifications you. You're paying the right tariff rights like all of that stuff is in order and for for the most like a by like us that is that is fundamental so just understanding that when all those those pieces of work done and there are no issues like you should confirm throughout the process is issues because you never wanna get to the end of a three-week underwriting process and then the bio turns around and says to autism. There's a bunch of material issues because of that when our longer interested or were interested in the deal structure. Now looks like this like you. Just wanna you just wanna get throughout the entire underwriting process. You just wanna keep getting feedback that everything's on track. Everything's good we're making progress. The deals not at risk like. That's that's really what a good diligence plan should give a by comfort and everything's moving in the right direction so ask a open it up to the the seller an awesome mike explain it to me in in their words get them to feed that back to you just line it up like do. I have confidence that they're not doing perfect. What strikes me as two characteristics. About what you've just described one is structure week one. We get this done we to get this week. Three aimed to be here and the other one is transparency so they communicate that structure. And i guess the if you ask somebody something. And they don't communicate to you then there's a lack of transparency with as it may be maybe they don't have a plan on either of which would probably be bad. I guess right from your you have thought the very structured calm zero of somebody. Who's done this a million times. I guess because you half right being in the game day. I guess one hundred percent and we wanna deal once because there were two bidders both offers same and and we laid out our plan and the other the other bidu said. I'm just going to install an ip i into sell central. And then i'm done and the the by kind of looked at it was like sorry that the seller looked it was. I like these guys seem to be pretty dolled on what it is going to be doing each week. You've just told you and stolen. Api and that so you know we won. We won the. Yeah i mean that sounds incredibly slack even to me because i've never done an deal in my life but obviously if i would buy an amazon says the first thing i'd worry about is the the supply side and the product because that's the most the corbett and the hardest bid to get finding a good supplier funding. That is really great and will not get one-star reviews will likely get five star reviews and is viable out of price that is not only profitable now but maybe if the price moves against these had like obvious amazon operator lead thinking and if just look on the amazon platform how could he possibly tell all that stuff so yeah i hear what you're saying. I i would this salary. Not case i would also have gone what he gave out ago with. Innovate so that totally makes sense to me. Okay so number. Five what things we need to look out for you. This one is basic bit k. And i'm kind of shocked. At the number of -tunities we catch most opportunities that come to market in fact so we catch all opportunities come to market and we've bought two businesses this year and we've seen a bunch of others which have come back and the reason why they've come back is because when the the seller and the buyer of completed underwriting when it's come time to fund the deal the the buyer has basically said look. I had a funding package implies. It didn't get up. Can you please give me another three weeks to go and continue to work with my finances. So i can finalize the funding package and you got to the website so these people and they look legitimate. But they're not so it's it's such a simple question but just ask the osc the by do you have the funding implies approvals do you need from your financiers to complete the transaction. What approvals do you need from your shareholders. Complete the transaction. Do you have a formalized. Investment committee process that approves transactions. Like this what say kind of delegated level of authority to fund this deal. Some sellers have gone so far is like we've sent him an exit of bank account to show them the amount of cash that we have to give them comfort that we can get the deal done so so it's it's again it's for many people selling that business the first time. Just make sure that the person on the other side of that deal has the cash because If people don't have the cash in going to tell you to the very end when it starts to get awkward and i hey like going to close off for long as i can and then events you have a hard conversation in realize wasted utah. I was gonna say it sounds like brother direct question but on the other hand. Guess you're going to end up having a conversation at some point. So i guess what you're saying is how it out front not the man and and like anyone who's come from my background gets so we're not going to be offended. It's it's how it's done proof of funding yet just verify that you got proof and funding. It's it's pretty basic right. But i think is particularly might be very british probably can imagine some british sailors being embarrassed. Even ask that question. But i guess it's better to be embarrassed. Then find out on the back that voice to three months of your life when you buy brand may not be performing that well either has baseball that point yet. Perfect and don't be seduced by press articles big announcements people have hundreds of millions of dollars in capital the reality is is like they can announce that but maybe twenty percent of that is actually committed so so you need to dig behind some of these headlines because it's very easy to call up journalists and give them something to write about so so so prob- are surat questions and and get yourself comfort. The other thing is if you are doing a deal where it is contingent on financing which can be the case we've a- lodge a private equity deal or if you've got a bigger amazon store you you just need to make sure that what is the by doing to kind of progress that financing strain in the us. It's very common for some small businesses. The by us government backed loan and decay for that is like that will take them i to ten weeks to get that approved. If that's what you'll buy a has you've just got to make sure that the doing what they need to do to get that financing package to prove so awesome. What's the time. Line like to get that financing packaging up and and regularly check throughout the diligence process to be like. Have you gone to the finances credit committee when you're gonna get that approval. Have you got assigned term sheet like a whole bunch of questions like that to just make sure that they're on track. It strikes me that obviously for you. These very obvious questions but from the majority of us very good as you said at operating businesses which is a really valuable skill set nevertheless it strikes me that this is the point where i would suggest anyone. They get hold of you and have a chat because to you. These in the obvious questions were asked to the average person. These not obvious because they've never dealt with motifs and acquisitions. Let's get these final three out. Because i kissed keen to get this list. I think it's a great list. So six what. What are we talking hands. So number six is taking money out of the equation for some for some people. It's it's really hard to build a business. Some people have caught lightning in the bottle and they've got a really big business. And i just got lucky but by and by most people have had to grind it out blood sweat. Tease to get to win. Ought to be successful. And some people were less motivated by the money and more motivated by. Is this by. I can be a good steward of my brand. What that means is if i look back in two years. Am i going to say that. Still the number one seller of this product on amazon taken it and done a bunch of really amazing things with my brand or is it just going to be run into the ground and a we constantly look back at every time we miss a deal we constantly look back who ended up buying it because you can now track that. And we say what the down with the business and had they revolutionized or is it still the same and from some sellers. This is really important. Just making sure that going to be a good steward for the brand. And they're going to do the right thing where they're going to do the right thing. On the business we bought a business from a couple chaps. The uk earlier in the year. One of them said to me once said to someone that if if if these guys don't do the right thing if something goes wrong with this business i would literally think about jumping off a cliff and like that's how motive that were about it. So yeah wow. That's kind of extreme. But i kind of get shot. I did once that this. Possibly i would an unhealthy emotional relationship with business but nevertheless it is how passionate how wrapped up people get into it. Is that baby. Isn't it so so. I guess we got to final. Follow questions that relate to the somebody that good steward. So so what's question number seven. That should be asking if you're checking out your buyers qualifying the buyers you put it so this this one kind of feeds into it kind of fades into to number two. We talked about like. Make sure you you actually made the faces of the people who be managing a lot of cells use website. There's businesses my baby so make sure you make the team that's gonna be managing your business going forward and enjoying our process like you will make the marketing team. You'll make the brand manages. You may not integrations tame you make the supply chain team. You'll make the sourcing tame luck. You'll make all of these people throughout the process because all these people that died job the moment that you hand over the keys is to manage your business. So they can't do their job properly. If that makes you so as as a cella. I would be super concerned if the army paypal the through the salad processes financial people. If that's the case that's that's not you can't take any confidence that they're not going to drop the ball the moment this asset gets transferred. Yeah right and it strikes me what's interesting talking to you as you clearly have so much expensive and ap you've had your three account suspension your season. You come back from the. That's for me the moment when somebody radius has shown that they can survive anything. Because it's so horrendous. I've had listening suspended nevada personnel account suspended by five. What with enough people have an the panicked emails that i get and all the rest of it. But here's the other thing that strikes me if they are introducing you to the key people who would be working on business. They may be pretty good at doing deals. They may not be by the way. But that's so different funding a business. I think i'd be suspicious. That frankly gonna just outsource it to an agency which isn't necessarily terrible thing if the agency happens to be right about that. It's it's it's kind of a larger question because we all brands ourselves. We have our own internal agency be effectively. What we've built. We built our own internal like advertising agency. They do doing our own. Internal supply chain so we see all of those key components is kind of being vital to to grow what we want to build. Is we want to build. A portfolio of brands amazon disrupted traditional. Consumer brands and amazon has credito platform for people to replace those. So we don't do it about product listings. And because it's so important what we because we want to build long-term brands having the people to be out of do that. The workforce is what we see is key but that said like this certain components of it where we'll outsource it to two different agencies so if we ever have a black hat problem that we target all blackhawk problem that we can't resolve or an amazon account issue that we resolve. We'll we'll we'll give that to a team of experts to help us this. I'm on the pay. Saad like there are some really talented people out there. We've tried to recruit him. Don't wanna work for being entrepreneurs so so we we give them some of our brands to help kind of apply their expertise to that. Do a great job that sounds to be a bit more. Like the the mentality of amazon uprated which is to say the core components that make the business. What it is you keep in house and then sometimes some very very final prices do bring in. Ppc agencies. i going to do a better job because it doesn't happen to be their bag and as you say good. Ppc l. prices just generally have an agency pretty swiftly that we work in house because it's a very valuable scale. If you really can make it work. I mean discussed the whole different topic. The the final thing is obviously the the final piece of all they're going to be good stewards who brown. So what's the eight eight question. The question is do they have a plan or a vision for your business. And i think this is often underrated but very very crucial because particularly if you've got an earn out if that don't have a shared vision for what this business is going to become or having to maintain the current competitive position of the business. Then that should be setting off one like unless you just want to look at your hard work over the last three years and have an payday. The many people it's about ensuring that that business is going to survive for the long term. And and if someone doesn't have a plan on i won the narcotic question how long that operate is going to be around for long term in the consistent because we all know that a lot of people think that what they're doing is they're just buying digital the on amazon and they've got to review they're fine but we all know that like if you don't continue to evolve. Get better use every single lever that you have available to you. That number one position can get attacked really quickly so having a vision and a plan for the business and some thoughts around how this fits into the water portfolio and people that are experienced managing that top a business. I think that's really really important. That makes a lot of sense. And one of the things that strike me the the self self-correcting dynamic in this situation that should strike any really intelligent aggregate. Who's this old aggregate says. No anyone has not been living on iraq. No says a ton of money. Getting located to funds to buy amazon businesses at a lot of aggregated are coming out to roll them up therefore by definition a ton of money's coming into the market. So if you just do the same old same old on your mediocre and you've got a ton of money coming in depth by definition. Can't stay the same candidate admits it's a dynamic market so it should be obvious to anyone that actually staying in the same place means. You're gonna go backwards because of the money pouring into the space right. But i mean i think It somehow i think some of the people just really have the signs right. I just got up feeding try. Make sure they come on our podcast being selective but yeah. I think that there are some people who don't really get the space. They just know that. E commerce is a thing right now and i think in a couple of cases of heard about. That's about all they've got really. There's like ecommerce is a thing. Let's put money in a way. I bought some tesla shares recently and didn't really have a clue but i put a couple of grand in. I don't really know i'm dealing with. That's okay but i wouldn't bet my house on it in it. Because i didn't know what i was doing and i knew that i didn't know what i was saying that the danger comes when people look like they might not what they're doing and they're really doesn't it. What strikes me. Yeah one hundred percent and if people know the history and being around amazon long enough they'll know the before someone was really successful doing the hole aggregate a model people filed. And and and they're raisins lessons and why filed and and kind of throwing caution to the wind. It's like these are operating businesses. They're highly complex. It's your business can be have in overnight because because of jeff bezos decides to do something or a bad actor arrives on the scene in callixte thousand reviews over to amounts and kind of tax cut number one position. It's an extremely volatile area. So so having a plan around how they going to defend your business and grow is key. Because if you think like that you'll be around for the long term versus people that think i'm just going to buy. Fifty businesses are have fifty million dollars veba and then. Pr the whole thing. A billion bucks like that's just financial engineering and this is a retail business gap tightly yet. Spike can like a tree amazon operator so the final thing says if people can get hold a few. I know you generally speaking looking. At brown's fraum about half a million dollars ebay up hoods but you can potentially pass things onto others. They face a bit smaller. So the people want to get hold of you that ding those kinds of numbers. How how do they best have a chat to you or your team. Yes the easiest way is just come through. The website. Elevate brands dot. Io or shoot me an email. Jeremy elevate brands dot. Io and yet get in touch. And i love speaking. To sellers of the coolest part of my job is like may meeting entrepreneurs often got on this crazy journey and the super successful so i got a real kick out of that and if i can just give practical advice around what to do and how to maximize value that that'll pie itself back at some time. I'm sure excellent. I like the attitude and and one of the perks at the job of doing this. Podcast is meeting people like yourself who clearly got very easy relationship with the right processes. Because you've done it so much. He just kinda comes across so clearly super value today. I really love these sort of questions to educate the people who had incredible operators as you said we undervalue that but going into space talking to people who are buying companies. And i guess he comes down to not kind of being overawed really doesn't it sounds like there's a lot of very concrete sensible things you can check that rocket science to check some questions that can easily raise red flags so this is superb list. Could you just run over those eight questions for us quickly. just wrap. Because i think they've really really good awesome so so the first one was is the biron experience on managing this type of ecommerce business or just you can asset to any by any type of business like do you have any experience operating this type of business and proven we when you when you digging into that the next one is. Have you met the people from the team that are responsible for running your your business going forward because you want to know that you size pair of hands on the other side. The next the next theme is around the thought of it. So how much experienced is the the bio that you'll speaking to have running this this type of this business asari acquiring this type of business the next one is. Do they have a clear plan around what they're gonna do throughout that sell process. This one is often overlooked. Do they have the money. Do you have the funding implies to be able to close out the transaction number six is are they going to be good steward of your your hard work. And we'll business be around in threes time which goes again to have you met the capable. They're going to be involved running and dude. I really have a plan to grow. See per bless. Thank you so much very very concrete at really really helpful. Germany's being upset you. Pleasure told she real education. I the people will reach out to you. I'm always going to urge. Every business ended the leno. He's even considering possibly setting to reach out to an expert like yourself because you're going to only yourself and educating yourself about something like this is just the new skills for twenty twenty one. I think this this is how the space is growing now. So jeremy a real pleasure education. Thank you so much for coming on the. Thank you michael. It's it's been greg. Thanks for listening to the k. 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Randy Gordon is saying that he conducted an interview with Joe Goossen and during that interview goosen insinuated hinted at the fact that he may announce that he is Deonte while training tonight on the Fox telecasts. That's the rumor this is what's being said physically on Randy Gordon's instagram or twitter. Randy Gordon the at the Commissioner Randy G. He's a hostess Siriusxm Fight Nation. They got a daily show Monday through Friday. He's a blow by blow announcer on exit. Sm Radio He's also a common economists for New York night at the fights and he hosts his own podcast on his own called Randy's ringside on facebook but he's the CO hosts of Friday night fights at the fights with Randy Gordon and Gerry. Cooney the heavyweight so yeah. Randy conduct conducted this interview with Joe Goose Him. And he's got that feeling you know He. He tagged a bunch of media members and he said could this be what is going to be announced and We're all over. You already know and I scheduled them for an interview. I I'll tell you the truth. We are super late. We are Super Lay But hopefully we can get them right. No co-hosts at the moment but We should get this thing going into few hopefully We miss our window and begin. Connect with him. Obviously He. He being the one conducted the interview. he knows better than us. Just wait and now sent that sex and Sorry about that. I keep getting a call. The marriage trying to call me instead of jumping on skype. And I got the commissioner sex me so Yeah Man. Maya just jump on whenever. You're ready Bro. I'm really tied up right now and it looks like Randy Gordon is available and should be calling in Yemen. Rough start but this show should pick up because there's some interesting stuff that's set. We WanNa know obviously your take whether or not the anti should Join with Joe. Goossen what do you think about? You know the team up with Goosen. How do you think wow during goosen would team up you know I mean goosen coming out and saying that or rather randy coming out saying could goosing announce it so. It'll be interesting all right. I think we have Mr Gordon on the line right now. Randy. How are you good afternoon? Thank you for taking the time to come on the program. How are you just fine? How're you esther? I'll look forward to doing this. Man I am definitely excited to have you and I'm doing well thank you. I know you're en route or should be going to the Barclay Senate today so we'll make this as quick as possible. Obviously your interview with Joe. Goosing has sent ripples through the Internet. You tag the few boxing experts which your recent tweet that you believe. Joe Goossen may be announcing that he's the onset wildest trainer this evening yes and I actually just put up the clip of it. It's up right now on other Sirius. Xm boxing page It has Joe Goose and saying and I have a big announcement for tomorrow so I said what is it Joe. Well I can't tell you so Gerry Cooney and I looked at each other and I'm a come on Joe. You can't do that you can't use with you. Got a big announcement and not tell us come on just between us and he laughed knowing. Of course it wouldn't be just between us so jerry very then said Jerry didn't actually I think catch on immediately or maybe did Jerry said. Are you going to be training somebody? I mean you have young prospect. Maybe a heavyweight of something like that and then with that Joe said you know Jerry. You're very astute. And as as he said that I said come on it is going to be a heavyweight can be deontay wilder isn't it and he said you know. I can't really say but I because there are some things that I am still tomorrow morning meeting this morning. I have a meeting. Well it all makes sense because in town is the co manager of deonte wilder. He's GonNa fight or on the card so I believe he is actually staying at the same hotel is Joe Goossen and I presume they were GonNa be having a meeting also in town. Living in New York is shelly. Finkel the other co manager of the Entree Wilder. I've gotTA figure that the three of them were meeting this morning and then. Jd sent me a text. And he said. Can I meet you with the hotel at around ten o'clock in the morning meeting this morning which I would have loved to have done but then you know after the meeting then you gotta hang around the city for seven hours Around Brooklyn for seven hours with nothing to do before the price. So I said you know what I'll see you with the arena. And he's a good will find you in the media section or in the press room and we will talk so my presumption I think everything adds up to it. Looks like Joe? Goossen is going to be the trainer of the Entree Wilder. Now what do you think he brings to the table? Obviously you've been doing this longer than me. You've gotten to see. Joe GOOSSEN HANDS ON TRAIN. Dozens of fighters. What do you think he brings to the table? Because I I will say it looks like George. Foreman wanted to train wilder in in. You know from what I'm being told while the himself he was entertaining the foreman offer as well. So what do you think that goosen brings the form in dozen or what do you think goosen? Does you know better that form and couldn't well see the thing. Is I know that there are a lot of fighters who wanted to train. An ex fighters wanted to train. Deontay Wilder Buddy. Mcgirt was one of them. George Foreman's other floyd mayweather was another Gerry. Cooney wants right as we speak Gerry. Cooney wants to be the trainer of deontay wilder guys like foreman who is up puncher but also knew how to conserve energy and US His tremendous jabbing his skills. I think he would have been a great trainer. I think Buddy mcgirt would be a great trainer. I don't think mayweather would have been a great train of white because his style is completely different than anything. Wild of brings into the ring. I mean they. Whether is one of these guys a great defensive fighter. What is he gonNA teach dance? Wanted to do the shoulder roll. I don't think so so joe. Goossen happens to be in my opinion one of the best technical training. You GotTa See this guy in the gym with is fighters. I have seen him. Work with guys like Diego Corrales in the the wellish brothers and many many others. I saw him take basically a finished. Chris. Arreola and bring out the best of last year and Ariola fought in his final fight in a losing decision to to Adam Cole Moskvy back in August. It was one of the year's top heavyweight fights and he brought out the best of him in just a few months of training. Now you gotta remember a wilder fury. Third fight is only four months away and they're going to have to work on things very very quickly can wilder learn all that he has to learn by July. Eighteenth I can't answer. That question definitely will randy men are obviously thank you so much. I'm going to be live at the fights but you're gonNA lay your hat on goosing. You believe that is the best fit for him out of all the names that have come out because like you said we've we've even interviewed Buddy mcgirt. He seemed interested and said he would do it. You know we had numerous trainers on. That seem interested but I mean most notably George Foreman For May weather now. Joe goosing while the definitely have in his pick from the litter but do you feel that. The goosing is the best match. I really do because the thing is. He's a disciplinarian and I don't know what my friend Deontay. Wilder really is like during the training. I've I've seen him training and so forth and he always he worked hard. There's no question about it. He never comes into the ring out of shape. But I don't know what kind of student he is that. If you tell him to step this way throw the punch this way right from here. Bring it back here step when you throw it. I don't know if he's one of these hardheaded students who feels no. I'M GONNA do it my way and I don't know if anybody because apparently JD's has not been able to go with him. Mark Brillon who we Nolan love. One of the great amateur records of all time one hundred ten and one Olympic gold medals. And everything else. I don't know that he could do it. I don't know if the Ontario listens to his trainers just does what he wants to do. But with Joe Goossen who a disciplinarian and he's a teacher and he will not take any nonsense from the and he'll show him what to do. I I think if beyond taking take what's coming to him and that's an incredible four months of teaching and working out harder than he's ever worked before then goosen can work but if the entree wants to be his own man them select whoever he wants because he's only got four months to go obviously cliche inbox in. Is that one training camp would will you know would? An elite trainer isn't enough to turn a fighter around Do you think goosing can do it in four months personally off? Fifty Years in boxing. I don't think so but in the closest thing I could even come to him to is last June Anthony. Joshua lost big time to Andy Ruis then. They announced the fight. The rematch was going to be six months later and I said Anthony. Josh was not really going to have much time to prepare little. Did I realize how hard he was gonNA work? He really made no changes. He he used to win team Joshua he lost his name Joshua. He accepted his loss. Were no excuses. Then he went out. There took a quick rest and then got back into the gym. And maybe for the next five months. All he did was workout restructure his body and give himself a whole new fight plan. It was absolutely brilliant on on the part of Anthony Joshua whether deontay wilder who has to learn far more than Anthony. Joshua did he has the has to learn how to throw the JAB correct. We have to learn to throw combinations work the Body Hook off the JAB. Can he do that in four months? I don't know how interesting to see interesting to see. I'm sure you'll bump into both Joe In Ajay today. So we'll be glued to your social media to see if you update anything else. I'll definitely be playing the audio with you. When goosen and Jerry over the Air WanNa thank you. Obviously for your time and coming on the program giving US straight from the horse's mouth what it was that you heard and how you've got into this conclusion all will be waiting for this evening a C. Joe Really announces this or does he have another announcement that that that would have us all food. Yeah I mean what could it possibly be if you're going to have the headset on on Fox doing the announcing say oh by the way. I have a major announcement. I'm going to be training three time national champion. Who's GONNA be turning pro whatever to me? That would be great but it's not a major announcement. This is about as major announcement as I think there can be in boxing right now. Plus Ed all signs lead to. That's what it is because the as looking for a trainer. Joe Is available. Jd's their shelley's wrinkles in town. They're going to be at the fight together. It just all the pieces of this puzzle and then with him saying what he said on the air and then almost wishing home my God. I wish I didn't say that. Or maybe he said that to to kind of put it out there like a little bait I'm really looking forward to it. I have to believe of what we heard last night. Joe Goossen is going to be named the new trainer of Deontay Wilder and yes. I'll be on my twitter. All might at Ranji Well Randy. I want to thank you once again for your time. Thank you for coming on. The program is just giving your social media. You can reiterate it for anyone. That didn't know that was it and once again. Thanks you got a wartime. It's at Commission Ranji. We're leaving in just a little while to the Barclay Center. If you can't be there turn on Fox watch them decent fights I think the atom Kozlowski fight against Lenny is GonNa be bombs away with Kovalevsky winning inside of about three or four rounds and then we're GonNa wait to hear the announcement from Joe Goossen. Making it official that he will be the trainer of the wilder. Definitely GonNa take the world back Especially with four men coming out may whether coming out if he big goose in that that's going to be interesting to see the headlines once again randy man. Thank you for coming on there. You have it ladies and Gentleman Randy G Randy Gordon the Commissioner Sirius. Xm host of his own show on facebook writer columnist four fight Friday night fights or fight at the yeah Friday night fights so just want to thank them for coming on the program and obviously updating us with what exactly transpired on Sirius. Xm and his show with. Gerry Cooney I do have that. Oleo pulled up and I was screen sharing with you guys just so that you can see. It's on the official Sirius. Xm In a twitter page. And I'll go to this audio surprise announcement to make tomorrow night. Don't tell me you know you gotta break it here. Come on you know. That's not going to happen so sorry. Tricky into it. I'm sure heavyweight. You found the Nice anyway training and you ready to break into the year. He's GonNa treat the Anti Wilder Jerry. C C like like all great fighters. You ever great instinct. Okay Yeah I all I know is that look I. I'm I I can't say because I'm still in a little bit of a I don't WANNA see negotiation. But we've got a few bucks to work out and that's going to happen tomorrow morning and I think by tomorrow evening I should know if locked up. You want to know what I think. He's going to be announcing. He said. He hasn't announced heavyweight he's got I think it's broken into the heavyweight division looking for heavyweight okay. I think he's broken into the heavyweight division. He says he has a meeting tomorrow. There's a guy who's in town with his own heavyweight the heavyweight in town to fight Robert Alfonso. He's Nineteen Owen. One he's finding Carlos Negron who's twenty three and the guy who is managing him and training him is his name is J. D.'s. J. D.'s is the fifty percent manager and trainer of deontay. Wilder. I'm going out on a limb here and saying that the negotiations and the announcement that Joe Goossen is GonNa have he said and tomorrow he is having a talk and this is all coming together. You know why because. Jd said he wants to meet with me before the fights either at his hotel or in the press room at Barclay do goose. Well because I think he's going to tell me my guess. Strictly my guess is that they are now going to be working with Joe. Goossen as the trainer for deontay wilder. All right. So it's Randy Gordon's gas but it's an educated. Guess he has quite the evidence and look. It's only a matter of hours before we find out whether or not he was right or wrong but the box invoice definitely wounded to a at least update you on the possibilities hence while we went with the rumor mill even though we had randy on the show to give us. You know the gossip straight up from the horse's mouth like he's putting it together. Hopefully he can keep us updated. He's in route to the Barclay Center. He will be seeing J. D.'s manager trainer of the ONTA- Wilder. He's absolutely right. We told you that Robert Alphonso will be taken on Carlos naked on on that fight This afternoon so J. D.'s is definitely in the building And the possibility of all this you know I it can. It can be happening. It can happen and we wanted to follow it to make sure that we're not on the outside looking in on all these juicy headlines Credits A- Randy and Gerry Cooney for very good interview with Joe Goossen and getting this bit of information out of them. for Goosen even if it's not right. His profiles definitely raised I'm pretty sure couple of hundred thousand people are clicking on his name on Google. Now trying to figure out who's he worked with But I I believe he's worked with Kerala's as well. You know the rest in peace. I seen a few things. We're him in Diego Corrales. So I mean look. He's been in their way. Heavyweights Chris. Arreola. You know I don't know how good or bad of a mesh it would be. I wanted a bigger name right wanted. Wow did a capital at is on the possible popularity bump that he could get if you if you you know if you pair up with floyd you'll be getting a lot of search clicks view pair up George Foreman. There's going to be lot of headlines on you in about that. Do Oh I don't know how many are going to be written on Joe. Goosing outside of the surprise factor right like. I feel I feel. There'll be a lot of people surprised. He chose to go Goosen But there won't be as many articles written headlines PODCASTS memes as if it was the great George Foreman or someone else on that level Mayweather you know those are going to bring in the casual fans and definitely Garner that casual fan attention Joe Goose's more of A. He's more of A. You know a hardcore fans trainer. You know what I mean even Ronnie and Freddie like they have more cachet you know. I don't know I could be wrong. 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Let's go out to Baltimore Maryland and see if I were historian. Troy can't Help us out here troy. What are you know Joe Goossen and how good of an option izzy for trainer for deontay wilder of that? The Guy who spoke to said he would you know he started out with Michael Nunn House? His first big big fighter and he did do the brothers the rulers. Burma's and he did. He did great work with them to their feet. 'cause they foot work was a little off what he did great work with them but he he's everything that he said he was he. He played games. You know he knows what he's talking about. And he's very firm he's very firm and he's not. GonNa he's not gonNA take any shots from wilder but all of that being said while the could bring him God is so it doesn't matter who brings in it all matters. You know what he if he's going to listen because because for what X. Amount of years. Now he's really in a sense really not been listening. Anybody 'cause brillant you you had a video on your show about brillant saying that he doesn't listen all the time and to me. Brennan will be the perfect one to train them because Brillon six to as a welterweight tall skinny head to big rain and did his thing and I think I heard you mentioned popularity and callixte floyd informing. Let me tell you what none of that's going to help you in the ring. None of that. I mean you got four months to get your you got four months. You know to get your foot work right. You know your mind right you know and then once once you step in that ring you have to wash away everything you've done for fifteen years and you have to. You have to install the stuff you've learned at four months that takes a hell of a lot of will and I don't know if he had that at this point we'll find out for four or five months right. Yes Sir Yes sir well Troy Baltimore Mallon. Thank you for calling in Joe. Goossen is from southern California He's based out of southern California and he trains in southern California. He liked choice. Say guided the RUELAS brothers Gabe in Harare file two titles. He's also have Frankie Duarte Dominic Gun. Seguin Mercado Edison Miranda. John Molina. Shane Mosley for the second fight. With winky Wright Michael Nunn Rocky Cappelli never heard of him dates back before me. Alexander put a not even a murder that let's see reservoir avenue Peres off men. Well Caserta and We already say Gabriel. Row Allah's Rafael maleek Scott Lance Whitaker and even surrogate Lipin Nets. I'm pretty sure I'm missing a few Over the years I think he had the Molina brothers as well Carlos in have year the Olympians quite a few people he's had. Let's go out to our Ringer. North Carolina Josh. What's going on Louisville was was up? This was going. Oh how aren't they? May I like a Bra? I like this. I like the first of all you back out of with another one another one but yeah I like this. I like this Selection by the I'll tell you like he was talking about If he had Florida George the headline law that. That's just like more distractions in the camp. You know they went out That's just like more distractions and account. So you know what I'm saying. So it's good to go Joe Goossen and he don't play no game so you know what I'm saying. I I like to speak man. I do like this election. The unlike a lot of people would think man 35-man he's still rawal man to be honest with you so yeah he can use a really my buddy mcgirt said he's a mon- issues. He can rick so on Whitman. Make sure you're describing them how TV all right North Carolina Josh. Thanks for calling and we'RE GONNA go out to Seattle Washington mister. He from the fights were shot. The horse you. I don't care what to do great to the Yoyo Nass Aloma Nola getting it in your service although I looked at these credible. I think he. He's what we mean is what we need to beyond going to do for himself. And also with this I think the giving up of the sexiness to give that up and just Mainly stay in California that we beautiful. You know the the do train to some good people can't say you didn't. I mean in thinking happened man. It's all about with John. Say Once and he wants to win where he brings and I think the giving up the sex and even Alabama as a training camp is going over to Kelly. Butte would be good whole Sol. That's my car. While would go to to to Callie. He does have a house in California but His camps are very secluded in private and it just makes more sense to fly goosing into his camp. You know yeah. I don't know why not the Jacksonville Florida. What a good This is like standing a comfort zone if you say is here. Societas J. D. S. as well So I'm not sure I'd go with mayweather would have been good because number one and we explain explain. How is this in his comfort zone? Because you ain't going nowhere outside of what I mean is it is it. You just explained the connection with him and JD. Right WH- connects they both at the center. Well you said associated with no but Brian. It's not really anything. It's not anything that's pushing outside like. Are you gonNa tell me that? Joe goosing guys. I don't know too much about Joe. Gruesome person are. You GonNa tell me that he's going to enforce his will that he has a big enough personality to make a hear certain things when Mark Berlin couldn't do you think so I mean listen. This is in my choice. This is a rumor this is the commission was going to happen. But I don't know I don't know what what you know if he can if he can. I don't know reach wild. If that's the right word so right that's what I mean and that's why I say the Floyd Look. It looks good for Black Unity. If we're talking all that black policy of let's do that and plus it's good for the defense. He needs better defense. His defense is kind of suspect is just that. It hasn't been tested elite opponents. And now we've seen it against opponents that he needs some defensive work in you some foot work work and who better than fluid. What's the problem with that comed- that'll be my pick? Honestly I guess the only problem with Floyd is the fact that people say fluids never trained and he wants a why go to do that is in a trainer annually. Four months to get ready. Floyd like Mike. You gotta like poke out him for his advice to get you know what I mean. I like that type of guy but if he's volunteering it take that you know what I mean. I mean it's the goat or argue. Breathe a goat. Why wouldn't you take that know what I mean I I know? Can I hear you the Jacksonville? Thanks for calling in going out to stunner New Jersey would up yours go good so I was doing a little research on Joe. Goossen could ain't going front like you know Oldie familiar with like you know a straight methods and whatnot. But when defends that I was able to really pick out is that although that a difference between him and I guess? Jd's is that as far as training Jd's is a real real heavy on while the SPA? It and then doing pad work whereas Joe Goossen as far as paddock. He's not really big on paddock. He's more on his heavyweights would be on on every bag and I feel like for wilder fighting a big guy like fury. The it's actually probably be better for him to focus more on the heavy bag than debut throwing ads but also just wanted to say this to just be against we get rid of fury all you other six three six four heavyweights youngest slept one shot easy. So don't get confidence because y'all seen a six foot nine to be able to put water in a headlock due diligence with guts. You're all getting slept it. S McColgan alright. Right all right. Stunning New Jersey. Thanks for calling in. Remember if you want to add to the call you can go ahead and add yourself. Nestor Gibbs gotta add to gives on sky to be part of the conversation. You can also call one four to five five six nine fifty to forty one press one one time to voice your opinion right here on the voice of the people hotline. Don't forget administer gibbs on skype let me go out. Let me see look like we got rap in combat. What's up going on? I just got an I'm just saying what's up I'll be at the Barclay Center a few for the fight. So yeah that's aright wrapping combat just update and he'll be live at the bar so he might get to see Joe goosing so once again. This was just a little quick report like I said something floating around on social media so we decided to get Randy Gordon. The commissioner one of the duo part of the duo of the Gerry. Cooney an Randy Gordon show Friday night at the fights. He also is a columnist for Fight NIGHTS DOT com. You know he owes his own show on facebook by Grandes Corner. The Commissioner is known throughout the sport. I mean at one time. I think he managed. What fighter did he manage? I don't know but look it up. You know Randy's known Glad he came on the show gave us some info now will we will be Waiting to see can goosen that big time an opportunity. 'cause damn you know if you become the heavyweight champion of the world's or former heavyweight champion of the world's trainer that's some big headlines and that's kind of why. I said what I said you know even though they didn't fly with Troy. I feel like that. You know the the popularity growth should go both ways. I should be getting as much from you as you were getting from me. But maybe that's not the case in it is what it is. We'll be back with some LAFI Chadha little later on this afternoon. So don't forget to subscribe to the Youtube Channel. If you click that notification bell. You'll get a notification every time we go live. This is the second show today. Hopefully you didn't miss the first one if you did. 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Find your local station for the odd couple at fox sports radio dot com or stream. It live every day on the iheartradio app by searching f s. You're listening to fox sports radio. It is odd couple. I'm chris here's rob becoming. You live from the geiko fox sports radio studios and i'm sorry the fox sports radio studios man and we got our man jesse washington. Can you get. he why you are here on. I heard you. I heard you. We got our bad jesse washington. He writes for the undefeated. Just call longtemps for new book about john thompson so we will get into that and much more with him at the bottom of this hour and then of course a nice interesting shop talk but the news of the day news of the week which is saying a lot in today's news cycle route while i don't know if the chiefs lose. That might be news of the week. Chris that would be. That would be news of the week. Yeah it'd be talking to sports. Obviously there's other plenty. Yes there's plenty of news going on right right right real wages james harden and i generally have lie. I've always like james harden and a lot of people talk about his game and boring. I hate to watch him play. I actually really enjoy watching him play. Because i unders-. I'm amazed that he can for a guy to be to create that type of space to get his jumper off or go by you. He's stationary just dribbling. A basketball front of a lot of times longer. More athletic defender iran. He's able to get by him. Get a layup. Forgive filed or it's amazing agree. I agree that it's the same thing every time right and he can do it and it can score thirty points a game thirty five points a game. It's incredible yep. Yep so. I enjoy watching him. I generally of liked him as a player. But rob i guess the question. We got to throw. Because i didn't like what he said. You know last night with his teammates sound of that. Do we have sound guys are we. Not most people already have heard it but he completely threw them under the bus and they don't like it. John wall boogie cousins. Came out and said it like yo. The problem started way before that comet. That comment was completely disrespectful. But it started way before the. And i guess what i want to ask is this rob. Did he got what he wanted. At the end of the day which is out of there in fact not only out of there but to brooklyn which is where he wants to go from the get. Go do the ends throwing all those guys under the bus. Basically mail in it in for five games. Do the is justified means little. Sometimes it's a dog eat dog world. absolutely people. Don't like it. Chris to said we see it all the time. Divorces businesses being broken up partners breaking up. We've seen groups right. Chris music groups as musical groups that break up. They make beautiful music together but they can't get together off of the stage. Do you know what i mean like. They can't work or wanted to star. Leaves them right. I mean kind of like this. Nine ritchie left the commodore robin i could go. I f. we is boy left. Ltd chris delivery so law it used to be diana. She left the supreme. I could go on and on and on beyond say what right. But the thing that i'm always and most of the time is not that messy but sometimes chris it is messy and sometimes if you make a request and they don't just you know acquiesce to what you want and you figure to yourself. I'm gonna eat a box of ring. Dings i'm going to go to the strip club with no. That's what he figured out right like like. What can i do to get some shooting as much right. I'm gonna. I'm gonna score five points in the game. I'm just like seriously. I'm trying to get a message to you. I don't want to be here. So yes as a professional. You hate to see chris. But i get it. This is how people get their way. It happens all the time. James harden is no different from a lot of people who are legally bound into something. But they're trying to get their way out of it and this is what you do. You make people so disgusted by by what it is. You're doing to them that they finally go. Okay just get this out of here. I don't even care. We just want him out of here. And that's what the rockets did you know what i hear you and as much as i'm bothered by the way. James harden did is t for several people the way he did his teammates. I mean this is john wall rob. He treated john wall. Like a darn ska rub. I mean hardens ruthless. I guess because he was acting like having john wall on your team like you know having landry shamet as you to guard why you gotta rip landry. I'm just saying like. I'm not saying layer. Jesus scrub. I'm just saying you know like i'll be this john john not as good as hard but there have been many people to have ever played the game. That are as good as hard. John wall was a perennial. All-star john that the job walter i just get like like he was in mba siberia. His career derailed like like he'd never wouldn't you know if james harden and ultimately i get it. It's not what you want. But if james harden was all in on this team they would be pretty good like maybe a four seat they could be third or fourth see fifty something like that in the west now they weren't gonna win the west but don't you think they could have been pretty good. Yes but that's not what he wants at this point. pretty good. just isn't where where he wants to be. And i get it chris. I really do job. Wall is basically a player dump. You take our bad player. would a big contract. No he knows only win at a high level right. But that's what that was it. It wasn't like oh. Wow unbelievable to rockets got john wall. Now we're cooking with gas now. Were relevant in blow. No boogies boogie that anymore. But kristen would is playing really eric. Gorden night he's a good player. Pj a good role but like hardened just threw him under the bus. But here the other thing. About how about stephen silas and you and i talk about this all the time and the players even have been saying it. Since george floyd black coaches black executives social justice stephen silas paid mad dues rob. We both knowing twenty years in the league as an assistant long overdue that he gets a head coaching job. And you do this. I it just it rubs me the wrong way now i get it you are right all that said this is how people do and not just in sports not just entertainment and music. This is the dog world right. We we. We've seen it is rob jazz. How many how. Many big time people in our business wind up doing something crazy or whatever chris saying some stuff at the right foot for the company to find like let him go weaver stories about people doing stuff you know really underhanded stuff to get interviews yes like to steal interview from another person you get credit for it but really is the one hooked it up or was gonna get it you know. We've era de stuff so this is unfortunately is not right. I don't like it but at the end of the day. James harden got what he wanted. Ejei anthony davis didn't make he didn't go about it as unprofessionally as james harden but he. It was still ugly with him to now. Now the new orleans you know no it was ugly people forget that was. That was ugly chris. He left his his team in a lurch and upset the apple cart. No people in new orleans you remember when he came back. They booed the hell out of him. Public enemy number one. Yeah he was really wasn't his fault but they were benching him for fourth quarters then they stop. They stopped playing him out. They got it was ugly and the bottom line is he got what he wanted and now his career is on a higher trajectory. If james harden if you're right weather's this year next year. Whatever if james harden if this becomes i can't imagine it becoming a dynasty but if it becomes even if they just went one it's gonna help james harden because he's gonna be starring he ain't gonna be over there sitting in the corner average of fifteen pla new rice. What they do. What d did when he went to golden state. I'm just saying if they want. These tweeted chris. They win two championships. They're good to go their their careers. They're good to go if they were able to pull something off like that to be able to win back to back championship with those three. You will never talk about. James harden being a loser. And all that it won't do. They even know people despair as k. d. and say whatever easy rings you still give him the respect you have still got that monkey off his back like think if if durant didn't have a ring let's say stay. No casey and at this point career does not have a ring. We would think of him much differently than we do right now. My he wouldn't be in the conversation. A top fifteen player of all time. No out of it. I don't see them. I cannot see them. i would be gobsmacked. That's my new word yet. What is shocked. I stole it for the right job smacked if they became golden state was i just cannot see them but if they get one ring if they get one ring you're right it'll get the monkey off hardens back especially if he if been with say something about even though they gotta stack team k. d. winning in another place why chrissy becomes like that guy like where he goes. People win kyw. We would have his second championship. That would change him from being just. He was there with lebron when they won. I there's a lot riding on this and it could be. It could be the beginning of something beautiful. These guys can figure out how to play together how to use their talents and just play basketball and should be and i know you gotta take one day at a time one year at a time but their goal should be dynasty. Because that's how they really would submit themselves. One championship would be great because harden. You're right it'd be. It'd be more than one for korean and k. d. but if they became a dynasty. That's when you really talk about something. But i'm gonna say about k. d. too because if they win ring say this year next year i i don't wanna hear But he had hardening hiree and because look lebrons had mad talent. when he's one is rings. You know what kevin love was before you know. He went to cleveland and now he's got a d. And so magic johnson. Never wanna talent without kareem and worthy or or you know Jamaal wilkes who's a hall of fame. You know magic was surrounded by talent and all his championship years. Why it takes talent you an interesting things a little different. Because he went there team was kinda sad but if this is his team even okay as more of a leader. This is katie's team you know. He's the best player so and hardens joining his team. You know what. I mean right so a little different by interested in how it plays out. Eight seven seven ninety nine on fox. Ace seven seven nine nine. Six sixty three sixty nine all right you saw with james harden did in houston did the ends justify the means and it is recent actions. Make you think less of him away with. Chris arrived the of fox sports radio. Be sure to catch. Live additions of the odd couple with chris. Broussard and rob parker weekdays at seven pm eastern four. Pm pacific on fox sports radio and the iheartradio app geico knows there are many reasons why you ride from the exciting adventure of the daily commute to the peace of mind that gyco always has your back. Twenty four seven access to claim service and legendary customer service but pamela. Monday had one reason in particular. My skin is extremely averse to most fabrics except for the soft buttery feeling of leather thankfully. I found my clan of leather lovers in the bike and community. 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Thank bodyman Yeah it it's unfortunate reality of the business. I mean look. James harden. I is a diva. That's a fact This reminds me of Vince carter making two thousand five. Except james harden is like vince. Carter steroids right around. So i he's he's just two untitled for someone who is at most top thirty player all time. I mean either that the rockets that everything they could to build a contender around him and the way he treated them you should i. It's that i mean it's not like harding was stuck in a situation. Like lebron had. Its first go around in cleveland but oh as far as as far as their ability when a championship. If you look at some of these player bill teams. The the heat will lebron and bosh. They they all sacrificed stepping klay sacrificed katie came. I don't really upset. Katie i don't see kyri or hardened sacrificing any games so i just i don't think it's gonna work i disagree. I think once you get out there and you realize what needs to be done and this is legacy building for all three of them. This is a huge moment. That three guys with this much talent and if they can't get it together and learn to play together these aau teams nowadays. Chris loaded with all talented players. There's five guys who play really well and all you said they play. They play a a neighborhood. No i understand what i'm saying. It is not inconceivable to me. You need talented certainly not inconceivable. I know people actually think hard and has the skills to play many different ways. He's a great passer. I mean hard and honestly could just be the point guard and setup k. d. and career going to get you is twenty. He's a great shooter. That's one thing to helps them. Rob is all three of them are great shooters right. No that does make it. You know give it a better than this in this man's nba. Chris will need to be able to knock down threes yup. I didn't like their hardened seem to refuse to look in the mirror. 'cause he's a reason. Part of the reason have championship or he doesn't have a championship. No doubt yeah so i. I didn't like that. He wouldn't look in the mirror but yeah we'll see he's gonna have to make a sacrifice if he if neither of them other than k. Deal make a sacrifice. Then there's gonna be trouble. But i we'll see if they do john in orlando you on the couple fox sports radio. What's up. john kerry guys enjoy your show as always thank. I believe what you're saying about legacy. I believe brooklyn Can win and they win a couple. Here's my only question. Is that legacy word. You know k. D. is hyped up on beating lebrons or being viewed as the broad. What happens first round of a championship in the in katie. Goes for fifteen that next game. Is he coming out trying to get an mvp You know that mean. That's real talk. Because i i know k. Dc's yourself equal with the brunt. And i just i think that might be where cobbles in a final when all of those guys are so so big in a sense because the reality is sports radio and i love sports radio. But we can't. We hit cats with legacy two years into the league right now. It was like nah. Do your legacy is is is riding on this. Your two three years into the pros. No i don't disagree. I don't disagree because everything is immediate. Now we don't let things breathes right. Chris we got ryan. New sites is part of the whole part of the glasgow as we say every night. We got three hours to kill ryan. Chris we cry. We can't sit here and tell you would you. I know i wouldn't listen. You narratives came on tonight. Chris and said oh well. The nets got harden. And we'll get back to you in june and tell you if it worked out what. What are. We doing right absolutely. We're here for to tell you why we believe what we don't believe. This thing is going to work. We might be right. We might be wrong. But but that's why we're here one thing i'll say about this big three in brooklyn. They're all three scores and i mean primarily like none of them is exceptional like if they're not scoring they're not like exceptional in anything else of course syria's in ball handling but you know that's not like rebounding or defense or you know whatever so that's the interesting thing like heart and none of them were great defenders only k. d. is a good defender. None of them are tremendous rebounders. They're good passers. You know. but that's secondary to what they really do. Which is score. It's going to be interesting. Ad can play. D- lebron obviously does much more than score. It's gonna be great to watch mark in sacramento unia couple fox. Sports radio going on jerusalem. Alex is back. That's right. i've noticed real quick before we get into this rob. You always talk about people who don't want to bet you jordan's because you always win best. I'm not a and guy. But i will bet you a pair of my stacy adams versus a pair your choice. They don't be telling how about that breath. Let's do it more do it. Let's do it. I'll tell you why. Because chris kinda stole my thunder. I break the game down. I'm not gonna groomer get romanticize about it. Like you're you're from new york. So i i can hear it in voice. Okay rob i hear it in your voice i get you. I didn't grow up a nets. Man i want you to know. Nobody did chris. You know that nobody grew up in new york as a nets fan right just talking about new york new jersey area. I can hear that northeastern in your voice new york right right. Okay i get my thing. Is chris it on the head. I break the game down. Something happened immediately in the playoff. One of those guys in god. That's rent those are the to. Do's can't guard air that's gonna be a problem and got rid of dinwiddie and lavar. Who can guard on parameters alley air. Now it gave me. They gave up a lot. They gave up a lot. I would have loved to have kept. Jared allen i know you gotta give up something to get a guy like you can't make a tray like a fan trade fan trade. Is we get hard. And then we give them the last four guys on the bench. Ain't no trade that don't that ain't gonna happen. Only fans come up with those trades. You gotta give up something. That's all i mean you christiane. You've got hidden. Talent like a james harden is just what happens. Is you know rob and look i will say this. Joe harris can play deondraye. Jordan is okay for what he is. Jeff green okay for what he is. He's older landry. Shamet i- faith in as a role player. So they've got some guy. Brooks brown's a good defender so they've they've bruce brown. I'm sorry they've got some guys and you know rob. How many times has a role player guided done. Robert ory derek fisher. Ray al and at that point in his career when miami was bad you know. Here's another thing that people. Don't mike miller with miami would not gonna on all those three house yet right okay. He wanted to mix miami. He helped him win a title. Let's just be honest no question and says it's the others you need no right you know. And here's the other part. It doesn't mean that they're done that they can't pick up. Some team falls out of it. Chris has been got. I think they have three roster spots left and they might get a trade exception for dinwiddie injury injury. That's what i'm saying. Yeah they could add some stuff all right. Let's let's do tim in atlanta. You're on the couple of fox sports radio. We're quick tim. Hey you guys doing this evening. Go i listen to you guys all the time. I just want quickly say that My concern about that team is. i just. Don't think there's any toughness on that team. I think when you know they hit a hard spot in the playoffs and times gets tough. Who who will be that one person that was step up and show some toughness and leadership skills. I think they all three are just too sensitive. I don't think there's any toughness between the three of them. And i think you need that in the playoffs. Sometimes when you hit a rocky spot. And i just don't see it in those guys so i just wonder who will take do role honestly i k. D. is the best player. We know that. If i do think all of them have shown mental weakness at times on the court. Except i think kyrie's mitchell issues. We talk about off the court on the court. You can question some of his decisions or whatever but he. He does not shrink. Thank you like. I can't kyri shrink. He might miss a shot. Make a bad play shoot too much. Whatever but he doesn't shrink to my recollection and something's off the court and there's something about him chris. most guys can't finish at the rim. It takes a certain degree of toughness and confidence to finish at the rim right. That's he's one of the greatest finishers at the guard position we've ever seen fox. 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I've never known such loyalty. I can't wait for the second season. Geico great service without all the drama. Espn's the undefeated. He's also the co author of the book. Right here. the new book that came out recently. Cau- i came as a shadow and it is the autobiography of john thompson. We are pleased to welcome in jessie. What's up brother. What's up jessie. my man. yo what's going on fellas great to be here great to have you on. Let's start off with the book. I mean we all know the legend of john thompson. What in the book will we read about. That will surprise us that he was a mama's boy. You know no matter what nine can give callixte. Fans oats coach was a big time. Mama's boy Coach said he was soft in his neighborhood. Growing up. coach said that some of the biggest influences on his coaching came from black women. Who are not coaches starting with his mother. His mother is the reason why he wore the towel over shoulder because to remind him of how she would walk around the kitchen stuff. He had a sixth grade teacher named metal wallace jackson an instructor and his master's degree program at the university district columbia. Her name was nita hughes and they instilled in him the principles of education. How to help kids how to protect them how to educate them. They had as much influence on his life as his coaching. Mentor is like being smith. Read are back. So what really surprised me. And i knew a lot about coast thompson. Going into this project was the type of places that he got his influences from teachers. Who knew that read are back with his mentor. Who knew that him. Indeed smith for best friends. He's kind of things you get in. The book did he. Was he cool with where he was like. You know maybe they should have one more. You know georgetown with the talent that he had in some of the players who came through there. But i think you i got to feel the sense that him guiding those young guys through and getting him to to the pros into being good model being good citizens meant more to him or even more than just winning a another national championship or two. That's a great question rob and like everything about coach. It's complicated. He always says and he says in the book. I only had to win one. You know he said. I didn't have to be john wooden. I had to win one championship to prove to everybody. That black people had the intelligence to be successful. So and and he also got great fulfillment out of helping all these young brothers and young players and things like that however he burned to win and he didn't really let he didn't really open that corner of his psyche. And the book about villanova and i don't blame him. He talked about it and obviously it was painful for him to lose but she hated to lose and he knew that they should have won that national championship. Game against villanova and he didn't say they got lucky. But i'll say you know what i'm saying. Villanova like eighty percent from the field. It was the most unbelievable game ever watched and they were able and they still they shot like ridiculous and only one by two or three points made exactly. They shot seventy five percent from the for the game which is crazy. Great defensive teams. That's one of the talk and only one by two and only two so. Call it what you will you know. It might have been the ghost of adolf over there and referee looking down. And saying i'm not gonna let this go back to back at my bed. How scarred if that's the right word was john thomson from all the racial things. He the racism he was victimized. I mean especially as players. Like the patrick ewing and fans would call him in olsen throw. What not all stuff like did that. How much did that really scar him or was he able to just blow it off the way i would best describe it. It was like the iron being forged in the fire. You know the strength gave me the the the the the battle gave me the strength to keep going. That's what he said in the book and so he did not give me the impression while we were working on the book and it doesn't come across in the book. Oh poor me you know. They hurt my feelings so bad he was like no. Hey this is what it is. A lot of other black people had to deal with a lot worse things. My father had to go to work in the fields when he was a a young child and therefore couldn't get an education. My mother was Trained in college teacher but had to scrub floors and cleaned toilets. So these if these people want to treat me a racist fashion. I'm going to overcome it just like my parents did and i will be stronger because of it. So one thing he was he was deeply affected and he was strengthened. But i wouldn't say scar the one thing that mired about john thompson was he wasn't afraid to take on the ncaa when they kept changing the rules. And you know what i mean and basically pushing black kids out of college and whatnot. Every time they would figure out something they'd changed the qualifications to get in and the scores and just but he would always fight that and he was outspoken and wouldn't sit back and ignored. I do you have did you talk about you. Know being willing to take on that fight. A lot of coaches wouldn't do it. Oh absolutely i mean. He relished that sort of opportunity to stand up for his people for education for young black kids. Who who deserved help you know. And let's let's not forget that Years before the nba decided to boycott to protest racial injustice coast down thompson. Into protests in academe boycotted two games walked off the court. You know and and really lay down a blueprint that the nba still still following. That was thirty two years ago tomorrow and protest the proposition forty two. I'm talking about no doubt. I remember vividly. Yeah and to the end. I mean at the end of his book. Coach thompson talks about each challenging. The nc double a. again. Because he saying i think we should pay the players because the delay is not enforcing rules against paying players. You got all these coaches out here. Who want kate talking about paying players and they're still coaching a getting paid millions of dollars so just level. The playing field allow players to be paid because the nc double a. is not willing to stop the cheating. That's bowl right there. I can't think of any other coach. Who has who has made that that right right well. That's jesse washington writer for espn's the undefeated. Man look sounds like a great book. Go check it out. I came as a shadow. The autobiography of john thompson. With jesse washington we appreciate the time relations on a to just mazal tough guys very much guys. Cruciate y'all keep rocking are eyebrows. Peace and rob on the back of obviously they've got endorsements by hemisphere. Hold it up ewing michael jordan. Bill clinton mike chefs filled night. Here's what alan iverson said. Thanks for saving my life coach while you know his story. I mean i noticed. That just hyperbole. you know. So he really he really Help make allen iverson into what he became one of the greatest players ever all right. We got more coming away with shop. Talk that's next. Keep it like fox. Sports radio be sure to catch live editions of the odd couple with chris. Broussard and rob parker weekdays at seven pm eastern four. Pm pacific on fox sports radio and the iheartradio app is the couple. Kristen rob on a worship wednesday in his time shot about as you would little show that is right. It is your new growing favorite segment here on the couple of crispy start rob parker next tie. Shirts tower of trivia would say that that is probably above parker's power ranking because that changes every other day. but this is a segment of the time. hi rob. It's good to talk to you to where we go outside the world of sports and we do something that other worldly gentlemen liked to do where we like to talk about. What is going on as chris thinks of himself as a young mc standing on books and hitting people back in the college as with them he is a good insight for music guys. I don't know if you've seen this but dj funk flex made headlines this week when he was talking about drake as drake was caught abusing ghost and reference tracks and that's probably why predominantly he was saying. Jay z is the greatest rapper of all time. And not drake. And that's probably a big controversial thing that a lot of people talk about made headlines guys so the simple question i want to ask you both and we'll start with chris here is does it matter to you guys if somebody light. Drake uses ghostwriters or references to help him right as music. So chris what do you think well hip hop is different because the mantra for hip hop has been even though in the last few decades. It's really kinda you know been been tossed aside but it's always been keep it real right and so when you wrap your supposed to be rapping about your thoughts who you are right so if i meet a chuck d. I expect him to be. Politically minded is noted. If i a vat not somebody else writing and for him right exactly like. I expect the rapper. To really be about the things he raps about generally so in terms of ranking like the greatest rappers of all time. He can't be number one or you know that close to the top. Now i'll give drake did. He's a great rapper. He he he done right you know. He doesn't write all his rhymes of course but he's a great rapper. And if it comes to make if we just say making good music good songs that sound of his voice over the beats and his flow and all that he is he is great at that. So you know. I said the keeping real isn't what it used to be. I mean rick ross is was a corrections officer and he's rapping about being. You know rick. Raw free ricky. Ross you know some legendary drug dealer so the keep it real mantras of lately so out. That's how i'll say it hip hop real hip hop. We're going to rank the best emcees. No drake can't be there but for just making great music. No he's he's made great music. Nah i'm not. I know you have to splitting hairs talking about music or whatever but he can't rank if somebody else's writing those words because that is a part of being the artist aldinger now don't always right there. No i know that. But i'm just talking about when you talk about rap and it is. Chris is usually about the struggles started from the bottom. But i made it to the top. Or what what was that saw right. But you know what i mean. That's usually not from a guy who was a like a like a child. Actors star made money was a millionaire. Do you know what. I'm saying. I'm just so there's something nair that people connect to and that's what they usually want to hear. So i don't think. I don't think i hear you. I said you can't rank him that high in rankings. However he is made great songs when you give him that anyway. Just throw anybody. There's a lot of great rappers but it's not like you. I mean he's got a unique kind of a distinctive. What am. I always talk about chris. I when we're talking about the greatest of all time we nitpick we nitpick wouldn't make he's the greatest of all time. I'm just saying drake had an era. That's how i look at the goats in hip-hop. Did you have an era. L l had an era mellie mell had an era. Ice cube had an era rock hill. Care is one now. jay z. Biggie drake had an era eminem. He did people low wayne. Allyn judah you hip hop aficionado had an era. I'm not arguing that at all. I mean back when he blew up where he was singing songs. Like i better find your love. And when he had these aren be kinda jams where he was more of a vocalist. That's why i'm saying to me. Drake will forever be more of a vocalist than a rapper. Because per say when i listened to his best stuff he singing most of the time. And then when you get this back story about. He has ghost riders people helping him. I will agree with you chris. His music i'm looking at spotify right. Now he's still number nine in the world and who knows the last time he released like a cd or something so definitely the guy makes hits but is he a greats like out of the whole circumference of greatest. Not even on my top ten not on top ten. Wow yeah. I'm not mad at that because when you talking about emcees part of it is off into keep in mind. Cb young kids now. They just wanted to sound good. So they'll say drake the right funk master flex said drake over jay z. That's stunning all. Right is the cover. We got our left. 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active CEO Podcast #132 Ron Carucci Rising To Power With Influence

active CEO Podcast

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active CEO Podcast #132 Ron Carucci Rising To Power With Influence

"Many leaders don't want maybe many leaders fear disappointing people. They fear the the. Their obligation to reject even good ideas, and so they don't outweigh too many S.'s to purchase popularity. To purchase regard to curry favor. May Don't appreciate the dilution factor that has. And yet you leadership is the ability to disappoint people at our right they can absorb. That's your job and now-ruling the focus of your renovation to to the few priorities that that can help them succeed in Win Thatcher gift people will respect you for saying no, they may like you for saying yes but they will lose respect for you for way too many S.'s. Helping the and pieces latest discover the energy to perform exceptional brilliance and positively impact the lives of those around them. Be Inspired by world latest game changing influences and next level. Gary's these these the active see our podcast where the ordinary daren't belong. And now your highest cer founder of energy to perform. International. Speaker and leadership performance coach Craig John's On, this episode of the active CEO Podcast, we talk with an organizational capability and leadership expert two times Tick Speaker Harvard Business Review and Forbes contributor encourage leader of a ten year long longitudinal study on executive transition. He studied communication at New York University and has a thirty five plus year track record helping some of the world's most influential executives, tackle challenges of Strategy Organization, and leadership. His career has focused on rose in leadership organizational development coach, a change and capability at companies such as Pepsico Nuclear Power Authority ADP, and was a partner for Mercer Delta Consulting Group since two thousand and four. He is the earner 'em manager. Managing partner of Navan working with CEO's and executives pursuing transformational change for the organization's leaders and industries his thousand and seven and ted talk on power delved into the exertion of our will on others where power comes from and who gets to use it. And also explored the mysterious force of human nature and how it can be used to create a more connected and compassionate community honored and privileged to introduce you to a dad of two amazing kids who is passionate about leaving the world better than he found it and helping people on the Junie off rising to power Ronca Ritchie. Ron Welcome to the shy. Great to be with you. Thanks so much for having me. Ron You have a very esteemed career in organization development and leadership but what I would like to is weird, all all-star, where did you grow up and what was kind of your big dream as a child? I had the privilege a growing up Aside New York City and I'm a classic New York City Italian kid youngest of five family of five. And you know if you will. Enter logically look back at the my my formative years you would see. I was the kid that wanted to organize the stick ball game on. St. If. There was a school event happening I wanted to spearhead. If. There was a party to throw I. wanted to you know. So I found myself in lots of times just wind to be that sort of orchestrator of things I think even then I was fascinated by the organizing human endeavor that you know a bunch of people could come together and do something that no one person could do. I had no language for that I didn't know why I was drawn to those things but I just know that. All my school years. There was something about Whether it's sports, teams or a school play. That when you brought a bunch of people together to do their own individual part that the when the whole became so much greater than the sum of the parts I was just. Endlessly fascinated by that. So I think the early signs of my desire to be an organizational behavioral Est.. Were there I don't know that I understood the cues it's certainly wasn't. Set out to JOE TO. Pursue. When I study but I had a very fortunate discovery of it. You know throughout through a pretty secure path. In my early professional years. and. So you know you find yourself in spices when you're young, we someone that would just take full of authority and leadership or we very collaborative in the way that you lit in those years. It was much more about. Definitely out there in front needing. It was much more of a hey let's go do this kind of thing. So sort of war through inspiration than authority of, Hey, wouldn't this be fun you know and then even if people didn't. Went wrong went along begrudgingly it was still me feverishly during the work I think thought it was so fun. So. Yeah. No I never formal authority formal leadership. was never appealing to me. It was I never wanted to run for school office sir. You know be be out there in front that was never. At least not in that form. Anyway. That was never appealing to me. An interesting. The you spoke around that you kind of found organizational development and leadership later on. So what was your first design you win and study communication at University? What did you? What will you kind of your first career pipe actually didn't begin my I began education in the arts and I I was a a performing arts major when I went to school and I had been working in that field since I was. Yom, so I've made money in that field. and. which disappointed my parents because they were the endless defy, but we'd have doctor yet. So I was go to medical school so that Kinda let them down hard when I did chose such radically different path, but several years into my studies. I learned something about myself. I don't know that I could not traded, but I I won't I bored easily. and. So while I was getting these ray jobs at my friends were envious of. The idea of doing the same thing eight times a week. In perpetuity. Terrified me I thought. I. Don't how long does this go on I was done. And so I started take a break from New York and that world and I went to work for a nonprofit company. who used multimedia some of the that I was studying and some other you know new forms of of presenting material to people that I had not used before. And so it was it was a a wide range of audiences and a wide range of topics and themes. MICRA travel the world. So I just go do that for a while may may maybe what it is I'm meant to do will come and find me. So, about three or four years into that, I thought I go for a year and then come back to school while isn't what happened I stayed five years. But in about my third or fourth year, I, was over in Europe working the company had a very large contract with US military and state. Department overseas. And so we would work with. Government Officials State Department US various branches of the military and do all kinds of workshops and training on a variety of topics using creative multimedia, kinds of arts to teach. And in one particular. Engagement we were at the how. We were in the chapel at dot. Hal and I was in my early twenties but I still understood how many levels irony there were in being chapel how with a very, very audience of Germans American civilians military. In, the middle of that workshop young American soldiers stood up. we were processing some of the material we have presented. Any very vulnerably said. I'm just? So. Tired. Of being trained to hate. and. I remember being so taken back Lee Miss Discussion. Thinking the first thing I was how did something we did up here make him think that. But then I was even more fascinated by what did he mean and so we process a little bit as a group and he was very courageous to do so but afterwards I wanted to know more. So we re south of Munich, which is October fest. So you got for beer so I invited him out to talk. We went out talked for hours. and. I think you know I don't know that I could put a finger on it Craig but I think that was the moment where I realized you know telling great stories for a living interesting but engaging people in their story. And engaging people and help them figure out their story that was fascinating to me and I was fairly certain. I would never get bored doing it. And I think that became that began the arc of my realizing that this or digital behavior leadership was with is meant to be in and. So when I we Patriot at the United States went back to graduate school and studied or behavior. Human Development and. I was very, very blessed that in my mid twenty S. Through a very securities route found a path that was so right for me and. For, thirty five years I've never looked back. Fantastic. In. And for you. What you see is kind of maybe three key characteristics of a successful leader. One. Of the things I usually look forward with. The most great leaders are not prone to want to lead. So they're. Good sense of apprehension is often a sign of good humility. A fascination with their own story. Not to the point of self involvement. But to the point of self engagement where they really want to understand how do they become they are because they don't. Do that work they're going to hurt people so I want I want to see leaders. Dig into their own formative years in their own origin stories to understand. How do they become the best worst themselves? And then lastly, I? Think you know. A desire to serve that that you know I tell executives all the time if he if you aspired to executive levels of leadership, you will suffer. You may be be very. Drawn to what you believe in the perks of. Of Wealth or power or all that you believe comes along with a very big job but with it will come heartache and suffering and you need to be prepared for that and I think leaders who are willing to make that sacrifice service of some greater good. And never complained about it or hurt somebody else because they're in pain I? Think those are the leaders. So I think will go the distance and lead successfully wherever they are. So who who would, who do you see in the world right now as someone that embodies those three aspects of leadership. Oh my gosh. cited and Della. The CEO of Microsoft is a great example of that Uber surely the former chairman of best buy. is where example that? These people have any be my book. Andy Stanley from. that. So yeah, there's there's a number of them. Out there and it's wonderful to know that there are exemplars, we cannot WANNA emulate. And so before you went into the organizational behavior leadership consulting side of things and been able to Kirch people and help organizations through those processes you worked at a couple of different companies so What was your greatest learning from working in New York power? Authority. From an organizational capability point of view. You know it's interesting So if you look at that collection of of internal corporations I is before going outside was Pepsico I spent a couple of years. ADP. In your power was my first corporate job and I don't I the time I was not. I was too young to appreciate how good I had that experience was an those were five incredibly formative years. At a time energy was deregulating. You had issues of fossil fuels being. Environmentally questioned. and. So it was an incredibly formative time for me as a practice as an early practitioner leadership organizational work. And I had an incredible boss who gave me extraordinary opportunities despite my petulance in my you know. I was just I had a little bit of streak of entitlement of which because I wanted more I wanted to learn more. And extraordinarily runway there so but I think I would characterize the three of those experiences Probably. Together. As teaching me that ancient wisdom says, you can't be a profit on your land. And the one, the one gift I never acquired working in Saudi company was diplomacy. I believed my I assume what people wanted from me because of the work I was doing was that they wanted me to tell them the truth. That, they wanted me to be honest about what I was seeing. They wanted me to help them get better and in order to get better you had to talk about. What the gaps were And and I lacked the skill to be you to be thoughtful about how I. Shared my views and politically I was never very savvy. and. So my experience, it's companies especially those three were sometimes rough especially the last two. And so I have a wonderful collection of severance packages from those companies. some some I volunteered for some I didn't. but I think they talked me was and then I when I come outside and. Work on the. Consulting side of the of the of the House doing the same work I thought. Wow. The same thing that gets me politically in trouble encyclopedia be paid handsomely outside. And it's the same behavior. So. Maybe I should take the hint. And Work Outside company. So I set up my own practice but I quickly realised even after a year that I you know now I'm in my mid thirties and I don't have enough chops to to go thirty five years on my own I have not had an experience at the top of the organization which is really really wanted of the play I wanted to play the C. Suite. I wanted to influence the influencers and I. You know I had a great repertoire of things I could do but it was too big was Jack of all trades master of none. and. So I shut down my practice and sold part of it to what was then what was sort of like the Rolls Royce a organizational consulting firm. So it was called Delta consulting in New York City founded by an incredibly fout founding father Raphael David Nadler, and so I had incredible experience for eight years being there eight years had a phenomenal career there. I was mentored by him mentored by some some of the best practitioners in the industry got to do some of the richest work at the top of big enterprises. Systemically, transformative all over the world and those were eight incredible years of my career. Probably the hardest by best career decision I made was to go there knowing that I needed that time. about six years into that eight year timeframe David sold the firm to Mercer and so now we're part of this being giant conglomerate coupled firm and I never wanted to be part of one of those and I'm sure you've talked to consultants who when you you're part of that machinery feeding dinosaur becomes the job up craft and I love. I. Had you know I was as in love or more in love with a crafters was discovered in Europe. You know ten years prior. And several of my friends in the from would we get into? You know we we still love the work. We don't love this version of it that we can go do this on our own. And so in two thousand and four decided. Three of US left. Affirmative, let's go. Let's go. We want to recreate what we wanted to critically better. and. So that's what we started modeling. and. That's been sixteen years. Congratulations. What is what is the meaning behind Neverland? It's a combination of two words. So the first one is navigate. Because so much of what we do is to help us navigate. Tumultuous. Whitewater. The second word is balance. Balance is the the process in chemistry when chemical bonds trying to form, and they're trying to find each other and they create a transformative effect when they bond well. and. So literally, the were were, it means navigating the bonds transformation. And we believe our job to accompany leaders on those journeys out of transformation. While forming great bonds with those they lead knows they. Work with all of that very powerful. You. Have three components to that organization. You have leadership, organizational design and strategy. Why do you think those three need to work in harmony? Its Atlas. Didn't even paid ask. Because you know it's interesting Craig. To to US assistant as systems practitioners, they're one thing. They're not. They're not three things there. One thing with reports so if you think about. How organizations work right think about a a machinery. You have an intent you have a reason you exist. You have a reason you compete you have a presumably a set of markets and offerings that set you apart from the thousands of people who do what you. That's? Commonly. To. Strategy. You the way you take that strategy and get an encoded into results is you put it into a machine, take the strategy you put it into a machine and out should be cup should be getting bit. Preferably positive results. And machine is called an organization. and. That organization has. SORTA has hardware and software hardware is the work, the technology, the governance, the processes, the compensation models. and the software is the culture, the people aspirations, and they have to work in tandem. And so those that hardware and software, and then in the middle of that machine is leadership the people who are trying to govern the heart remers software to make deliver the results implied by the strategy. At any moment in that process and almost always in every moment of that process, some of those things don't fit well. You have strategies that are misaligned from the organization design. That's their a culture that doesn't fit the technology you have ladies can't step up to the the market challenges and often on the back of the machine with the results coming out when those results start to not be the ones we want those of the first time we acknowledge the symptoms of it and so people which favour lever. So rather than looking at the machine is a hall, they pick apart their favorite labor. Let's we structure. We need new values put everybody through a training program. Reengineering technology process we pick out we pick apart the machine to the point of which the Machine Dr. Looked like one of those people who had way too much cosmetic surgery with their faces all stretched up like that. And you walk into organizations and you actually look you looks like a a bastardized version of itself. And that's what leaders call us because they realize they pull all these levers and nothing happened. It's because they didn't look at their own behaviors. Leaders didn't look at the machine as a whole and they didn't stop back and ask themselves do we actually have a viable strategy and we all know what it is because I can tell you one of the first questions we ask any senior executive team is so tell me tell me why you're here. We can all the counterfeits we get the mission statement we get the value statement we got the annual operating plant. We get the principles, get the product quota we get, but we don't but. We don't get who are you. What sets you apart what makes you? What gives you a right to win? And If you do get a version of it, you should attend versions of it. So now I know why additions so misaligned 'cause the twenty of you at the top of the House are leading, it intended for directions. So. To isolate the leadership behavior or the strategic identity or clarity or the organizational components of that strategy to make them work better is a folder. Because at some point, it all has to work together to use your word great word in harmony and when it doesn't if you always specialize in one part of that system you're gonNA. Fix One part of it at expensive three others. The looking at at that aspect. Strategy, you took I'm going to pick out strategy for a little bit him. And I think this is a really important component people will. Rata Strategy. Stick it on the shelf callixte us. And very, really do they actually review it and discuss it. Until it's time to five years up. Let's do the next one. And and. Strategy is an ever evolving. Not Beast that it's an evolving piece of a company and another team or a community. It is so important that it's embiid from top to bottom and aligned at all times. So, how often do think leaders should be spending on the review and discussion of strategy The executive teams discuss at least monthly. And even so much to review progress because that's too soon but suddenly we have quarterly. Management reviews right. But if you sit through those reviews, they're just show Intel and usually. Fiction. Because we have objectives for the year. And we look from their down, but we don't look what strategies does those tickets latter up to who did we say we were going to be in the marketplace and so the first I want to go back to what differentiates you. One of the three or four things you have bet the farm on that that would say these over customers are going to choose you over the seven other viable options they could choose. And I'm looking capabilities. You to deliver on the promise of this differentiate is what do you have to be good at? What are the three or four things to be world class better than anybody at to deliver on the promise of Religion budget. Msa Okay if that's what you say you're good at what your money. Are you disproportionately investing most capabilities to keep them up to refine them to continue to push yourself apart from competitors. and. Is the were the competitive work of your position quarantined from the necessary work that keeps the lights on. When it all gets mixed together guests diluted right so so I want to know. Do you know what differentiates you and I you not diluted about that. Do you know capabilities you need to be good at in order to deliver that and have you invested in those capabilities aggressively disproportionately and what I what I see that to be true by money you spend him account you've hired to do it and how you anyhow you've organized at work. So white there I'm GonNa find the little fractures. If I just do that analysis alone forget about whether not the rest of it has fallen downstream or been cascaded. Into the organization. The. The the challenge becomes when you to to use your eloquent description when you haven't done that work. People are meaning seeking machines that is going to make it up. and. So if if I don't know the reason, we're all here I'm going to form one in my head and I'm gonNA. March to that will if you have ten twenty, thirty, eighty versions of the reasonable here. Marching you know way out of step from each other, you now have have a big spaghetti bowl. And most organizations when they scale especially when this guy globally, that's what they feel like a feel like a confusing morass of walking through flypaper. And in my recent research, he actually is worse than that. What by the research I'm doing for my next book on Ordination Honesty. you learned is that we've we learned four factors in which you can predict whether or not people will tell you the truth behave with equity and fairness toward others and or good. Or under the same conditions which they will lie, cheat and serve their own interests first. One. Of. Them. Is. That strategic clarity. If people do not know who you are or worse. The words you put on the paper, your mission, your values, your brand promises your purpose statements do not match People's Daily Experiences Of Your Organization or of you as a leader, you are three times more likely to have people lie cheat and so their interests. So that misalignment has a cost, it's more than just confusing or frustrating or inefficient or hemorrhaging cash store you know eroding of your margins, it actually sets the stage for unjust unfair. Dishonest misconduct. As they say. You lose and I think that's really important. One of you acquired that I found. That was written from. Sparkin about or written about is Falla to make intentional hard tradeoffs when. Your strategy and shows that if it's a likely to fall short of the expected results. How can we make it easier for leaders to say no more than they say yes. Great question could well, the first thing is to be honest about the fact that you struggle to say now. And to figure out why that is many leaders don't want many leaders fear disappointing people. They fear the their obligation to reject ideas, and so they don't outweigh too many S.'s to purchase popularity. To purchase. Regard to curry favor. Don't appreciate the dilution factor that house. and. Yet you leadership is the ability to disappoint people at a rate they can absorb. Thatcher job and narrowing the focus of your organization to the to the few priorities that can help them succeed in win that should gift people will respect you for saying no, they may like you for saying yes. But they balloon respect for you for doling out way too many S.'s. in in the power research referenced earlier. One of the one of the surprising findings of that research for rising to power was the greatest abusive power is not for self indulgence. It's not the Harvey Weinstein's and the Jeffrey. Teens and people who are immoral or. On the take for personal financial gain those those leaders are there, but they are not by any means the most substantial version of abuse of power. The greatest abuse of power was the abandonment of it. People too afraid to use the power and as hit a down. And that's every bit of an abuse of power as the as the abuse for self interest because you have let go of the reins of your position, you added steer itself and in many ways who set people up to fail when you do that. So keeping people in a swim lane that you can win where you've the collective success more important than any individual agenda that's an executive job. And if that so uncomfortable you to say, no if the angst you suffer from having to sort of make those hard tradeoffs and now the playing field and not be distracted by every shiny object that comes your way. That's perfectly. Okay. Just don't take the job. Do a role. It isn't required of you. See about your rising to power, which was Amazon number one. Book Co authored by Erik Hanson and that was following a ten year longitudinal study on executive transition. What a more than fifty percent of leaders file within the first eighteen months of appointment. And what what are the different capabilities that sit those successfully deployed? So. The fact that we've known that for probably twenty years that it's a fifty fifty shot. WAS APPALLING TO US That somehow I obviously head hunters like because it's an annuity for them. But but shorter that we thought how has this been okay for so long nobody questioned this statistic is as being unconscionably unacceptable. Personal for us when leaders we were working with you know. Lead is a CEO, a higher dose to coach fail. You know otherwise, very promising middle management. As they rose up you bay didn't. It would they weren't successful and so it was very personal. So we thought I don't I don't understand how this keeps happening I wanna I wanNA undercover every single rock. There is understand what is going on here. How are we studying these otherwise? How would you go from being high potential in the middle of? Other religion and in six or eight months be a disaster. It doesn't make any sense and yet that's what was happening. and. What we found were all the landmines that organizations put in their way. I mean, started with not preparing them for the role right soon. Oh, you're phenomenal in the middle. This is just a little bit a bigger version of what you are doing, which of course is incredibly fallas fallacious claim meeting. Nothing likely you're GONNA middle, and so they are wildly naive about what is going to be required of them and they're terrified until they need to cover that up. So now we set in motion all kinds of seeds of failure early on. So I I wanted to uncover every possible dealer. Of someone's assent and expose it to say, okay. No more of this fifty shot here. If you will going to ascend to a senior level. Here's the blueprint that says if you just steer clear these landmines or navigate them, well, you can stick landed. But that was all but that wasn't sufficient for me I wanted to understand. Well. Okay. So if the other half or forty percents big, pick your stack on the failure rates is plenty of them out there. Pick pick your favorite whatever remaining percentage leaders. Are Left. I want to know what are they doing? How that, how is it there rising up and sticking the landing? What is it adds sets them apart from those otherwise really good hearted talented leaders that somehow flame out on the way. So we we through the magic of we, IBM Watson and so we had phenomenally. Powerful technology to study our data with. Were able to isolate statistically four recurring patterns that. Kept you. No matter how come the data up these four capabilities in some ranked order were following finding native top of what set these leaders apart. And the the I didn't want to write that you have before them. But after ninety nine regression analyses are research teams had enough. It's not GonNa Change. But. The fact of the matter was I didn't want to be perfect to be perfect but the good is you can learn them all. So that was the one saving grace I had was to say, these are all acquire -able capabilities the time to start acquiring them is probably not after you've been giving your first vice president job. He. And so he talked about Four. Components, what are the four different sharing capabilities? The first one is context. So the leaders who succeeded where the ones that were able to read the tea leaves, they can look around and curiously understand. This is why this is happening. They didn't. Ignore. Factors that seem weird especially if they were hired from outside their. We've heard this so many times, the seeds of contextual yourself when we say to prospective leaders. Wow. Look at the great supply chain you turned around we need that here or own my gosh these apps you built we that here. And were implying that you have a recipe. A formula that we're inviting you to slap espionage. So when a when the leader shows up, they've been told to your the context and just retrofit their answer on questions we may not even be asking. And of course, we all know where that story goes right that's the see. Suddenly accomplices resisting you and your backing away from you and knowing that you're gonNA play now and so that's the early contextual Taylor. Great contextual leaders read the tea leaves a curious about the way things are and know that they have as much to adapt in themselves. As they do in the environment. They're leaving and I do not take the bait at there's some mythical mandate that change. The second one is breath. So when you get to the senior levels of organization that the fragment several nomination, the silos are quite separated right and so great leaders can can bring together the parts of renovation to make a hall they can bring big him stitch the seams into a cohesive set of capabilities. So be those leaders understand that it's no longer just market, l.. Lennox. Marketing. RND Manufacturing is innovation. And then had bring together and coalesce those parts into a whole. They don't they. If they grew up in finance, they don't see the world's economics anymore I think rep marketing don't see the world through consumers anymore they have to broaden their is. Leaders that grew up in functional silo or regional silo, and fail to broaden their perspectives outside the one that had been so conditioned in. Tend to tend to over prioritize capability at the expense of other ones. So these leaders didn't do that the third was choice. So to your point before about Holocaust, these leaders could make our choices they were they were able to say, no. To make trade-offs, they weren't looking for popularity they were able to narrow the priorities of the organization and the way they may decisions was Dakota able. You knew there were seeking consensus you do what they're being directive. You know how and when they are being inclusive and they were very clear about that. And the last was connection. You know these are the the relationships that leaders have with their direct reports, their peers, and their bosses, and these are the leaders had remarkably trusting and highly regarding relationships with people. The these every company has at least with the leaders everybody went to work for you to be in their presence at you knew that if you were, you were GonNA learn something. they respectable they were enjoyable and and and what you most loved about that you were enjoyed by them. And what we we dug underneath with these leaders did when they prioritize their network, it wasn't I those they need something from. They prioritized that never according to who they could most help these accessible. They. Would they look for ways to use their time to contribute to other people's agendas not take from them and so you knew that if you around them, you would end up being better and that your contribution would be made better by them. So again, you can see four big muscles express choice in connection. But those are the four. If you want a guarantee, your success top of the house, those are the forest start getting good at yesterday. Very good. With seeing. When we see growth occurring in companies right. So we we see a small business goto weaker. Sorry. We'll go back step. We see a soul tried to go to a small business, a small business goto a medium business in the medium Business Goto, I lodge company, and then potentially multinational following that. How does the how does it differ? In that transitioning off leadership structure and organizational design when we go from small to medium and medium to large. Agnes session. So you know what often happens on that journey is that we grow we don't scale. And leaders don't understand managed the process still like a UN body goes through my hostess right work divides our cells divide inside the womb work is dividing all the time especially at a much faster rate in the startup years and this sort of the early to mid Cap. Years. and. The problem was it happened at such a rapid pace that leaders are not managing well, and so they're hemorrhaging they're growing the top line as fast as they're spending the bottom line because they're not scaling. They're not putting repeatability they hate the word standardization they think it's bureaucracy and so they don't add a scale businesses and it's so easy to confuse growth with scaling. But if the market tailwinds are in their favor and they have an offering or product that is in high demand though ride that wave long as they can. They'll. They'll see symptoms of churn and tone river, and you know some missteps on supply for a big customer. COSCO will call or Walmart will call him that'll be a train. But they bumped their way through. The real problem with Skilling comes when you go from that small medium to big medium. And here's I sorta referred to it as like the teenage boy and his dad. Right these companies have sort of not like the big PAPI who hasn't gone to his own pause they're running around. You know there there are a hundred million dollar company trapped in the body of a thirty million dollar organization. And you can hear the seems ripping. You can hear a place coming apart authorize you can hear the pebbles in the gears and at that point you have to do major redesign I this. is no patching together anymore this nowhere duct tape or chewing gum you can put around the thing to keep operational. You're burning people out your qualities allow your margins are eroding customers depicted. You see all kinds of performance issues there, and so at that point, you have to do a major enterprise designed to step back and ask yourself. Okay. Forget about growing into the hundred nine dollars of us from. The body we have what does it eat Highly, paid for the fifty version of us. Or whatever the next big thing and design that ordination, and then learn to move into it and transition to it. It's different musical abilities, different technologies, more standardized processes, more repeatability in your HR finance technology rnd across your enterprise scale ability. Get. Comes in your economies of scale where you have efficiencies and repeatability. Emily, you typically find our twenty-seven versions of the same process littered across the organization and sell much wasted. Capacity and people just you coordinate across these boundaries that you just really can't coordinate because there's so many different versions of it. So at that point, the courage ously will step back in. And hopefully, not just call in like a big consulting from becoming do it for you but engaged your own leaders in the process of design. So they learn how to design themselves. That's that's really important and I think one thing as as companies start to grow, I get prepared to scale. Their twin fatigue starts to creep in for the first time really starts to creep in. As a leader and founder executive, it is quite different to that off. A menu job, your physical fatigue, and a menu job has really strong triggers when you don't get recovery correct, you feel the fatigue in your muscles you count move as fast. You can't do activities as easy as you would like like an athlete. As a leader or executive. It's more a mental and emotional fatigue. And a quarter from the great enemy of leaders and the thing around mental and emotional fatigue is that it is so gradual the body keeps adapting to and you don't realize what's happening until it's too light. How can leaders developed a scaffolding type approach to strategic leadership in a healthy manner? Type Question. So first of all, I think it's starting with understanding what you just said. That this is what it is that it is a marathon, not a sprint and you have to Nova signs of your own battle fatigue. No you're short temper. your unwillingness to dig deep into a problem. your dismissal of hard feedback. Your leaving early. In his dark sides, right your excessive consumption of alcohol. Your. Whenever, you're behaviors are. So, there are a lot of places we go to to manage those moments that are unhealthy. So you have to know those about yourself to clear. But secondly, you have to make sure you have a team of people around you to hold you up like this is not a solo act, and if you're trying to do by yourself, you're hurting the company and you're hurting yourself. So make sure you've surrounding yourself with a team who will tell you the truth who bring capabilities you don't. See who? Share the reins of the company you may be at the helm as CEO and that particular role and is unique but if but if all decision pathways lead to you if all resource allocations lied to you not a round you, you've already lost the war. If you have not prepared a set of six, eight ten, you know leaders around you to hold those rings with you. especially in the moments where you're fatigued. You will know that you're battle fatigue. Got The best of you when. You settle for shortcut answers. So you know there's a major problem in manufacturing and there's three three solutions in front of you and you you pick the cheapest one. Or. War. When a certain customers are defecting and yourself person saying this is really important training like screw up we have other customers. You'll know when. RND comes to you and says, you know depreciate behalf for this third quarter launch of his practice not gonna hit. Is. Like I, just like next year. We're going to do well and you say speed it up and get it out the door. When you don't listen to that leader and now you're gonNA watch crappy product that those are the signs that will tell you you. Either should get out of a job or get some therapy against some help and recognize that you're compromising for whatever. Getting, you think you're going to have you your mortgaging the future of your. Company. Because you're tired. Very. I wanted to swing back to one thing before we kind of go into a couple of closing questions. You. New Book is around organizational honesty. So we hear a lot about vulnerability. We hear a lot about authenticity thing genuine leader being conscious leader. What sits the work that you're doing a pop from that approach that we've seen over the last few years with regards. Organisational honesty. And is there a global leader or someone around the world that you feel that fits that? That organizational honesty well. So I love the question Greg you know what we're all looking for ways to. Discover Office to become the best version of ourselves. We're we're we're told the authentic you even with the flaws is the better you and credible you than the Polish up is hiding behind an imposter syndrome. The problem is in an environment that has value that. you know how this internal war you really can't. Be True to yourself too. You know the truth about yourself. And knowing the truth about yourself means Ubuntu dig into your stories. You WanNa dig into how you became who you are, and you willing to be honest about the fact that you're colluding with an environment that does not match that a set of values you said you held. which that is a terrifying reality with what what then do I do do I try and change the. Do I need to leave it so The that's the the first of his businesses to sort of face into your own identity crisis. And understand that. Somebody you don't even know or haven't met yet. A and so. You know those triggers that bring out the worst version of those moments where saying, why do I keep doing that? Well, if you can't answer that question that's a problem because there's a reason you keep doing it. It's your job to figure out why that is because you can't keep doing it. The second question to ask yourself is, what is it I want to be known for his a leader what what do what is my role in shipping and environment in which people become the best versions of ourselves and for them to become the best versions of ourselves? What does that mean from me because casting a shadow that eclipses them m. i. constraining in ways that causes them to fear me. Am, I creating environment with their voices welcome. Am I encourage them to build relationship with the people in that department with them who don't like. Am I making are a part of our week. Am I created the conditions under which we will perform really and truly serve a greater purpose or my just trying to look like I'm doing that I think all of us at our core as leaders and around the people we lead come hard. Why would universal core need to know that we matter to know that we are significant? Problem is when that meet that need does not get met. We set off for devoting ourselves to the horribly dangerous counterfeit need, which is the need to look likely matter. And we spend hours and emerson onto effort trying to create the illusion of significance when inside we don't feel that if you as a leader that's true for you or your credit conditions under which people have to hide themselves from you and they get a convinced your that's independence. You've now created this really unhealthy environment where the truth will never be told. where the greater purpose can't be served and they can't be a level playing field because people now has become Darwinian right now it's about mile, Lucien procedure allusion. So it starts with asking the hard questions that that if you want to be your authentic true self, you have to know the truth about yourself. Really liked that we all know is smart people have great answers. The most successful people ask a great questions. When was the last time? You did something for the First Time Oh my gosh, it's it's. Daily part of my life these days. I've so I I. Take my medicine and about five years ago I hired a coach for me. I thought I. You know I need help and I need to know what it's like to be on the other side of that help. which proved to be a remarkable experience for me. and. Tumultuous Disruptive and. Emotionally, agonizing. You know having to confront several of my own existential crises of identity. But this book I'm ready. Now is a great example I wanted to push my own voice and push. The way I write to a whole new place. So I'm now the way I'm writing this book is a whole new. Level Ledge for me to be on the stories I'm telling the stories on featuring. Are A way out of my comfort zone. Place to be, writing. From So. Yeah. We're not too far to places where because these last five years have been nothing about my toes for me in learning things I. Do know. So. It's a young. I. Find Myself frequently on the place of. What is the one question that you would love to solve? Why are we so committed to a polarization? I I've there is an anything I had read about tribalisation. I read every psychological I get understand understanding phenomenon of trouble. But. We seem and if you haven't if you haven't watched the net flicks special on the social dilemma. You should watch it. It's terrifying. I understand what's fueling the politician now and what algorithms are programmed to make sure that happens. But what kills me credits? We seem as human beings so devoted to it. So committed to being wrongly, right An ignorantly right at expensive we. And to pointing are nasty fingers at people. We don't even know who's beliefs. We don't really understand WHO's differences we haven't even explored. Justice in our tribe. And it is breaking my heart to why just understand why we are so deeply committed. To the to to fracturing. As a as a as a race of humans as as nations as societies as communities, it just baffles me. I just have to interview a bunch of people you know from extreme left-wing pick pick the faction I don't care and say do you enjoy this? Like? Is this really fun for you? Do you love what? What what what meaning are you deriving from this contempt? Wiped satisfaction, do you possibly gain from belittling other people? To boast whatever you think your tribe believes owns I just I'm I'm just utterly flummoxed by. That is one one great question or enjoyed that for you what is your definition of living an extraordinary life? Well. So the people around you love them well and invite them to love you will. Very good. Ron, how can people learn more about what you do and what is the best wife of people to connect with you? So you come to our website nab lint in. Aba Dot Com. and we have great videos and articles and. Tools their. Brand new e book at you can come get call designing your virtual workplace for trying to figure out this work from home from home things you combined that novela dot com slash virtual. and. If you want to have our nor transformation playbook, we we have a leading transformations e book also free. You can find that now dot com slash. Transformation. Follow Handling Din we'd love to have to keep going. So coming just click on Wellington profile or on twitter as well at Ron Carucci so please do stay in touch So, we'll pop them in the shower nights. I've run confined those links. Easily. Ron It's been an absolute pleasure speaking with you today thoroughly enjoyed learning around. Early days where you just. kind of that. Catalyst to something happen you. Let's give this A. Lid Through Now rather than kind of demanding people come with you or something along those lines. To see how you fell into that space of organizational capability. Leadership and the understanding the lessons learnt inside being internal compared to being. And that it was pretty much the same thing but it was differently and so are you able to? Assist people a lot more effectively from that external component, which is really really powerful because people get so absorbed in their internal Lens and. So, good at seeing their helicopter Lynn's and have someone support them like that is really powerful. The work you've done in the research around. Organizational leadership. An understanding what how people transition into An. Role and what will help them ensure that they become successful as leader rather than kind of getting getting stuck in the spice of unknowing and. Because, they haven't been hid effectively and I think that's really important I. Look forward to seeing your work on organizational honesty and all of your recommend that you keep an eye out for Ron's new book, which are we coming out soon and also delve into some of his previous books as well. He has written. And obviously rising to Powell was one. We spark about quite a bit throughout the conversation Ron Thank you very much for all that you do to ensure that our workplaces are more effective leaders get to really excel. Through the design of their leadership organization and strategy. All encompassing together. It's been a pleasure speaking with you today. 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Gala Showcase - Dunedin Writers and Readers Festival 2019

Dunedin Writers and Readers Festival 2019

1:15:52 hr | 2 years ago

Gala Showcase - Dunedin Writers and Readers Festival 2019

"With this broadcast on or if in Dunedin and made with the assistance of New Zealand on the following program contains strong language listener discretion is advised take our FM Dunedin with you wherever you with costs and live streaming of creamer look content download the access Internet radio APP for free from Google play and the apple APP store this program sure so getaway Cook Ellen J W Smitten Maxim with a tiger politique prince of the library in venable stickers without them and early on funders in sponsors and so two bundles creative New Zealand the Dunedin City Council the Tiger Community Trust the lion foundation into our major sponsors the university puncture brain date the Daily Times Taghi invasive priests in one thousand nine hundred Thomas Greetings to these are meeting guests an offering here on the front row looking very distracting with the support of orientation the session the Gal showcase featuring Christina he's Mica Susic Tina Michael Eighty John Boyne Clementine Ford Cala featured an association with the Oakland Rightist Feast of all enjoy Caldecott Core Cleveland rather supporters we'd just be a scribbled wishlist setting a newly on a page so thank you for all your support and also a big thanks to the New Zealand and a collar with EMC Michelle court was supported by the New Zealand Book Council in the University of Tago seem to for the book Mica Suzanne Dunedin Writers and Readers Festival the two thousand nine hundred festival recording that you're about to hear was brought to you with funding from the Dunedin UNESCO city of Literature and tasteful no my Kiko Tell Me Miki Mehanna in a minute me huddle welcome to you all end CNN's John Boyne Michelle Akers we're just really throw too heavy here so thank you for coming to we southern corner the state bidder no Mike Koto I decided to say to them. Carla Clementine Ford Christie's microbes eighteen in my career Erin Erin the city of literature but it is meaningless in and of itself without writers and readers constantly breathing new life into it the now I'm just been debited switched very heartfelt thinking it's a nonprofit organization we have to lean dri the team and we'll say had support from the Center for the book at the University of Chicago Auty Dunedin and my name is Erin Hawkins I ended up in the front row by accident apparently so apologies clear for they're welcome to the Dunedin Invite Counselor Erin Hawkins to come up in speak on behalf of Deneen City Kyoto Kyoto curator thanks to Conrad's Feast of all four shearing Mac SUSIC indicator with us into Culture Island for supporting John Points visit commitment ongoing to contemporary work into the next generation of woods and ideas and that is what this weekend is all about council they partnered with us for the Sabine in one of the big areas of concern is reading the age of screens which is how we arrived title is for us to read more and talk more and argue Moore and laugh more and build stronger bonds through bitter writers and readers festival but most importantly I guess welcome also to toy to tiger settlers museum which is an appropriate place for us to celebrate the opening of the I'd like to start by acknowledging our local rucker at Pateraki more Iraqi and all Taco as Montalcino of this land that we now the excellent Michelle Woods is going to be kicking things in a minute but before she does like this about now community I think so this weekend and beyond this weekend I think the the standing of each other and the world around us because as pollyannaish as the sounds and apologies I'm GonNa tuna optimist I think these the greatest tools again was that not studying I'm confused now Coakley Finlayson Aho call Otaci talk who it's not a museum piece of knowledge are in a museum it's not a middle for the city's literary pasts illustrious as that is but it's words and ideas at tools for us to make a sorry I'm it's been a while popping my apologies at tolls for us to make sense of the turbulent times we'll have a productive fistful over the next two days we're belongs remaining depending on how long you stay the evening and lastly to a physical team we're potato about hard working out north Houston Alex supply which Schormann Helen Speirs any is Nike Page Vanessa men higher in kettering quo into volunteers thank you for your good market in I'm Cleveland Listen I'm the program to reach for the Deneen Rising Raiders Festival Known Mikey Goto Meeting Pos- so on behalf of the city welcome and thank you in your entire team this is a remarkable event in a remarkable addition to the Cultural Community calendar here thank you or at a more primal level dealing with people like poets and murderous and rockstars but above all else intimacies they write poetry music novels essays nonfiction young adult fiction and foam theater scripts some of them right combination Hathor Dnr Koto Deny Koto Tina Takato good evening and welcome to this really spectacular evening I'm very we live in dealing with fake news that's parenting for a more peaceful world with that's quite literally as survival in the wild vient because it is the hunter so many of our stories as a city and as a community and we're very proud and Anita of our status as a UNESCO bestselling they also share the things that all writers do they know about the tyranny of the blank page and they will have meet the thieves awesome aw got ahead and the greatest hope that we have of collectively getting through whatever this condition is that we are currently dealing with so thanks again clear loves always so different genres different disciplines different lives but they have things in common for one thing they all award-winning and waist whole day reading nonsense or worse you read something so brilliant you decide there's no point in ever writing anything yourself because you have nothing I want to have a very clean house on Tuesday all I need is a deadline on Friday so we have our six rises to tell us about distraction and doc instagram endless emails all of those things but the actual toll that most of us use to write also contains at the click of a mouse pretty much book every article every video all the poems and songs that exist in the world amazing that really any of us get anything done at all distractions of time for me at least these are the twin demons who can with each other you struggle to find the time to rise in apparently somebody needs done a coat he chi-ta who caddy Mom Oy y Taha Tina Carter Cutolo Thira Makoto Keita the lovely thanks I do is about a quiet place where you can spend days in your pyjamas drinking tea naval washing just living inside your own head and finding exciting ways of arranging woods new in all of your thanks to everyone who has come from quite some distance in some cases to be a part of it now we really appreciate it and I hope you bash sometimes you find the thing you're looking for that idea to fell the blank page when you stop looking for it and focus elsewhere the washing machine go to to make our chi-pun we or Tea Party Kiara all I'm clearly I'm the program director for the name riders that's wonderful to say and you'll never be as good at saying it as that and Opportunities for distraction have grown exponentially in recent times not just twitter the beast books of two thousand eighteen Chris also an actor and he studied film in English literature at Victoria and he has the most spectacular thank you Michelle thank you so much to the festival for bringing me down to Dunedin it's such a pleasure to be here and to be a part of this evening longs take a shower if you have to chop some onions go for a drive look away and suddenly you will see it plus we can do some good things when we procrastinate nothing is all it seems pay no attention to that man behind the curtain I dream of fame you live my life a high court Otaci who Daca what's the topping on quite Tahiti Cup party or Tea Party county among cardboard crowds the stands to be examined perhaps even crushed but I can't help myself for wanting to appropriate to the learn or the color of a baby's flushed cheek for cheap entertainment I want the is to want they can keep their questions to themselves what do you hear now the wheels of Tornado the strings of a storm to Vail Vail to know range of jackets to make Chris and one of his jackets please welcome him to the stage Christif is a lot of people cure ornate picking up from skull or you're supposed to do something to pay the mortgage or someone wants you to talk about writing when you would much rather right and so you fantasy hi to be here we're going to hear from very different writers from different parts of the world from England Ireland Australia and Altieri and people of different as co pay no attention to that man behind the curtain and that's the line that the wizard of Oz is when Dorothy and Co start to realize my book he's a mask which guests dove into the World of distraction and films and this I sites such wonderful writers I'm going to read three pounds for each night I've written something especially for tonight but I'm going to actually start with two poems from this next one is called McGovern and mcguffin is a plot device used to propel a narrative Ford will I've got enough to reveal between my buzz without him bringing an avalanche to swallow my song doc fixes there the clinical plink of syringes falling to the floor and fluorescent tubes realizing illumination at this point in your own logic tongue lashing at the messes not able to turn the is the dirty light tainting the walls of bathroom stalls used for hookups and could gray suit slouched by the payphone mustache ready to turn villain concealed gun press squarely against his ribcage you can tell craft to pull each other into honest dialogue some of US rely on our gift of good timing days one hung on it the rest of us sick and interesting would but then you find that quiet place and it can be a quiet and you discover that your brain is hungry and would rather eight then cook and this the end I never walk out on films because I hate to see a story go unfinished you are more likely to walk whereas I could never leave you but there's the door and I'm told the sky is particularly bright tonight it only takes a little moonlight to test your commitment whole same might fall down and what they might bring back so let's begin tonight with a polite I always find that evening stock-based if you start with a poet so Chris Tastes was born and raised and lower hatch and now lives in Wellington big move his his first book of poetry how to be dated in a year of Shen there so much of the world within reach from your disc screens within screens and halls within halls tale Akeso mask took a dive into the worlds of Hyper Masculine Romanticism ended involve dancing alone and nightclubs by the Herald End spinoff listed it as they treat my songs with spotlights but denied them curtains to hide behind such songs tailored for weaken knees whatever way they want what they do to God the creative spaces but maybe also where they wonder after to find the things that they need the river and this poem so this is called the mission every time I turn to see I should be looking I see my reflect surreal the events and Khristich basically derail any progress that I was making on this poem and all of that ended up we are questioned about our own intent as an audience of willing accomplices our eyes dilate what would it take for us to stop resorting to trade. My reflection is a magician he tells me where to look inside every poem stage with trapdoors inside every took Rita's back to a shocking moody committed more than one hundred years ago and won the Jesse MCI award at the Two Thousand Sixteen Autumn New Zealand Book Awards and has seen talking dogs and newspapers crying wolf it's tiny hemmer's pounding at your skin and not knowing you wake up every morning covered in bruises of course I got distracted I fell down mini into neat and wikipedia holes I learned a lot about medium associated with Alfred Hitchcock films this macguffin to say that the briefcase is pertinent is to ignore the man in the space instructions but as a spectator the trick is to expect everything and nothing at the same time the trick is to watch the one we know the story and who is telling it don't be surprised when a door slams shut and you find yourself asking how long has that been there undetected of course it's been there the whole time you've spent your entire life with your body pushed up against the door but the crowd posed wiring glory look over there adore you've never noticed a secret way in and out anything could be placed before you it's a story so vivid you keep repeating it as if it were yours to tell pulling up your sleeves and showing strangers a new shade of blue you the best way I've heard it described is that's the thing that the thing or the person that the characters a interested in the audience as she doesn't care about and it's often betty because he doesn't blink and look straight into the camera like he couldn't give a fuck to express that the film did not commit to the characters and tints as to impose without wires and while is scanning for the slightest quiver we don't see them sit fire to the scenery the strike of the match disguised by our applause being Cutting Attack Maha no my Heidi Mikey Tina who if I could hear the heater eat they pull name Mamie Tiki Manoa or auty porty relation techniques and the things that magicians do to distract the audiences to pull off their tricks and then I was distracted by something with so much happening in this world it's getting harder to resist everything that demands my attention and harder to tell what unknowingly steel for myself following the tip of the wand the magician tells you where to look and so you look because magic doesn't work if you don't follow enjoy the night someone has turned all your books around so this spines now facing the wall the whole damn time they're smoking while you're left hand is behind your back ticketing the revelation to your past self so when you reach the reveal you have seen the magicians flourish and all its cross section of the fire but no one ever wants to talk about the consequences of making the cause story who is telling this story well it depends on whether I want to look away but the wire snaps back each time if you are a person of color you don't get to live through a national conversation about racism when I fall for another smokescreen over here is shattered glass scattered over the pavement catching sunlight in bidding to be written about meanwhile the elephants that was never there in the first place and behind the door you never noticed a series of doors that is the story you should be telling it's screaming fire in a burning building while everyone on twitter is saying it's not fire but a smoke machine doing what it's been told to do a blind man doesn't need I see my reflection every time I turn to see where I should be looking thank you very much sea of fire to know the rush of standing in a burning building and if he sends their long enough he will be taken by the flames so much debate risks on the cause actions can we still call this power and if so how many walls will be left standing extinguished the flames it's from the wing believe to be true as a wrong memory and echo up into happy to be swallowed by in the morning everything is the same but shifted slightly to the right I'm an shame without taking multiple hits to the body it's like being a prop in your own story and constantly wondering whether someone will pick you up just to acknowledge that you're there it was amazing out everybody else's terrified now there was it's a smoke machine inside every poem is a mirror buried in the Volta and once bound and gazed upon it shows you what you missed as you were I from the wings both the magician and the audience become the show passing the matches between them call and response running in both thing the magician tells me sleep is the biggest distraction of all there's no joy in surrendering to the screens behind my eyes with everything each shot it's spot the difference game we won picture is an earthquake and the other is an upstairs neighbor dragging finisher across hardwood floors at two in the morning road beating on the other side as louder and demands entertainment they spend the running time convincing us it's a limitation zealous with I've taken up residency for more than a decade the air six novels including the book safe and most recently bridge hi everyone I'm really I'm so thrilled debate here I've always wanted to come done Aidan and it's too wrong so while I was writing this pace for tonight noticed that the source of this class a five car pileup complete with blood and sirens and screaming children but that doesn't stop me from getting on my hands and knees interrogate hey which was chosen as of two thousand eighteen and a huge range of applications from entertainment weekly to the Wall Street Journal you can read Marcus novels and more than forty the nist writer is stealing Australian novelist Marcus Susic Marcus lives in Sydney has books live on the New York Times engages or you can watch the movie versions of the Book Safe Enbridge of Clay Mukasi's every morning while it's still dark he walks dogs and callixte stray thoughts and I'll be more thrilled in about five minutes Chris came down he looked so happy so so we'll see how we go on if that's the case and I apologize in advance I had I'm in a distraction when I was a kid I was nine years old and I ruined the drama boy frosty the Snowman and the Christmas classic Flintstones Christmas and I wanted to get up on watch those every year Jason Book town but that was being taste can we have another round of crispy not you mentioned the color of the bodies they'll pull from the debris sometimes we have to tell these stories because the rest of the world is watching the magician disappear an invisible this to me wasn't about presence it wasn't a bad spending time with my family it was about watching the Christmas cartoon specials that were on there was the they see what haunts me ignorance and save me no matter how many doors I open and shut just to keep myself busy my reflection must in nineteen ninety four in Zigzag household and it was because I had was a distraction that turned into an obsession with Christmas he no he ain't in Waka so to tell us about has distractions pays a very warm welcome to Marcus. Zack I'm Cleveland License Program to reach the in one thousand nine hundred four that were gone they had vanished from Sydney T. V. screens and so I thought they saving it all for the twenty fourth saving it for Christmas Eve and so on the twenty individual person on this this out of this group that everyone leaves tonight in case he everyone's stuck really well to the topic except that guy so I'm sorry if fantastic Chris did a workshop in this morning and was at a poetry reading before this station tonight this is the last week to see him at this festival he scoots off tomorrow to guard to be padded third set my alarm clock which I loved it was what in the shape of a dumb or an option I had a little black ribbed section at the back that you just popped up and then when it went off pushed down quite a simple thing really it had glow in the dark digits and enhance I'm Tara where I just went shit the alarm clock forgot to switch the alarm clock off and then I watched frozen to the just smash my alarm clock into thirteen as it turned out thirteen pieces and next thing my mom got out of her to get out of bed my brother and my oldest sister wha- hugging h Jala I'd never seen that before in my tile off and I thought Fox oh my God what is she doing what's going to happen next she went teen and as it turned out what she decided to do in her fury she's as my dad examined the alarm clock as it was going off and I couldn't hear it and of course while I'm at a conscious say thanks very much to my brother that useless it up and turn the alarm clock off but when you go somewhere or you go a big workday what happens is you out before your alarm goes off and I on the other side once done something good for me and switch the alarm off but now he was snoring through the whole thing he's my dad is examining the alarm it didn't look at me my mom's really gregarious and beautiful and she and she would never not say hello she's stormed through there she's gone out the back I heard the flaws hiring door slam and what she was doing at again I had no idea turns out she was smashing the mugs that my dad was getting home for Christmas and had gone the die off all that ye working to provide for the family he's walked through this is going to be as one day off of the and of course I had that you still trying to come down while then out of the corner mile and this was the shorus Sean of all that I'd Costa catastrophe was that on and on about how great mugs were and then she came back in through walks straight past me again and we had these little tables and I think this was a world she came through the germ in pink dressing gown that was almost like Piper had Hawaiian flowers on still see it so clearly she marched through bring to my faith and I ran around in the Hawaii one of my sisters had gone I looked into that bedroom those pipe money floating around every way and must what guy and it wasn't monopoly correze which was a repulsive monopoly really good game anyway she's picked up the monopoly careers wide phenomenon these tables these little side table so like the Russian dolls of side titles was a tiny one that was a middle sized and there was a bigger one on top of that was clock and I'll watched in horror as he smashed to the floor and then went back to bed and I'm sitting down on my God my on watched in horror as diagonally through you could say to the bedroom that I shared with my brother my sisters are in the bedroom next to it and I watched my dad who had it can't get any worse than the and so it all come down there are lot lot more went on but I've only got so a lot more went on my Wannian and she just smashed my dad over the head who'd gone back to sleep with the board game and then threw it at him which which point I did up and I went into the germ Brown Carpet Orange curtains this was the idea after all I can still see the lot of that Land Jim as I was sitting there tom went to work my mom is eighty four years old and she still goes to work cleaning people's houses she's a she's a McCain and she's going to work then a placard from this shop the Granny Mayes shop was this little thing that you can put on your desk triangular and it gives you a little note of encouragement and it's one of my favorite details being in the entire world and and at the end of that die at the end of that my mom came home from work and our have to feel sorry for him he's sitting on the floor against my brother's bed cowing and I'm nine years old sitting next to him going you know it's one of these things like my mom and dad was still together by the way and I look back now on that story and or surfing too much and all those sorts of things and I do let all of those things distract me and and I get to a point you're you know you're all right and he told me to the shops to these big sort of early dies of those sort of being malls and after about fifteen minutes if it's going crap I gone what's Charrette so far thank you very much for having me is the great thing about my dad I don't think we have someone likely scenario lives he did this terrible is the only man I know who could do something like what he did and then you and I said I said to a so you get divorced you gonNA leave and she looked at me and Donna and I thought to myself yeah that's great thanks mom yeah you have a good Christmas to this it you can spin brought me and you alarm clock then he also also the Soda Guy Who could by himself a presence of himself president after doing something like that and he bought there's a if the worst thing that ever happened is you dad smash your alarm clock you had a really good childhood and and it's just hum moment to say that be silly these things just it'll blow out about these things happen you know and she but she looked at me and she went radio none of it matters now I'm here and now is the time so do it now and I do I love stories and stories of what when might off and as a writer years sure you do get you can get so bogged down and talking to John uh-huh sitting on her mom and dad's bed and signed to a as she came home from work a looked at her and still so worried can you love and I sit down and then I say all of this procrastination all of these distractions that people who love me the people who don't love me the people who think I'm so this story is that it's would sit there on his desk and it said Cape Your Tampa no one else wants it that's the most berry so when we talk about the olden days we tend to imagine that Beck thin people weren't as busy or MRI distracted as us and it's you can get so bogged down in all of those things but you can get I get bogged down in our things to reading can never read too much to your kids north which you please give a warm welcome to Tina Makati I think that that was the fact that you know I should have in so many ways I mean you can't blame yourself clearly my dad's fault right I think many of our preoccupation distractions are simply the most recent manifestation of some of the entertainments of those good old days for three years all right but I look back on it and the thing is I love you know I told that story this morning to the kids group that I talked to just to say would actually work to not and this and then the thing is what I realized when I tell a story is I realized that's just what I loved all the time where you let it distract you you let it distract you and then finally finally you sit down and you say what is the thing you love what is the there is no way a writer could name and historical character tiffany because nobody would believe it's an Oldie timing name yet an actual fact signed tiffany dates from the thirteenth century and was traditionally given to girls born on sex login January the Feast of the epiphany so tiffany food they had more time on their hands they didn't have the technology we have though they had a heck of a lot of technology more than we think indicating the most precise in strange corners of history with stories that are invariably hilarious when they are not shocking or depressing for while I was researching my novel the imaginary lives of James Pony discovered this in many ways quite a lot like the present in fund and so that was a stupid in my household I mean not the last thing but well I wanted to say that I had a really happy child Tena writes essays novels and short fiction and novel as the imaginary lies of James Poor Nikki which was long listed for this year's Awesomeness Zealand Book Pimm go both times see who's the EH I think that'd be great all right fantastic thank you so much marcus or Nixed Right Boyne today about the people who on twitter and the people who are you know people who are disappointed in my new book I don't think it's up to the last book called submerge myself in the sights and sounds of Victorian London through my research which in itself is a kind of distraction ironically some of the beast I want to talk about as the entertainment industry the heart of distraction and I want to draw some kind of imaginary connecting line between pull it is through twitter that I learned about the tiffany feet which is the belief that something as more modern than it actually is the idea is exemplified in the fact that Katori in London came fortuitously and incidentally through twitter the most contemporary of distracting mediums. We won confined distortions everyone from royalty Queen Victoria Prince Albert and the Duke of Wellington were known to be very fond of the exhibitions to the poorest citizen who could straight mediate people's expectations preconceived ideas about what history was like it's not unusual to be told something as an acronym stick winner does not born on the Epifani the name derives from Greek word Thea Fania which originally meant manifestation of God what the it just seems that way because we don't expect history to be so modern for example London has always been diverse city probably since before tiffany fix archaeological curiosities light shows humans animals anything strange or dazzling red normal or great achievement Taurean London in the Kardashians if I may it doesn't have to be the Kardashians it could be my big gypsy weeded weeding or Love Island is an audiences will still protest if the British historical stories and his wife as they think they should be the surprisingly modern part of history we'll married at first sight any kind of reality TV that has very muscle to do with reality keep that in mind distraction tiffany affect demonstrates is that in writing historical fiction one has more to deal with then simply historical accuracy the writer must was big business for the victorians and my novel a young mody mangoes on display in the Egyptian Hall Piccadilly and this was a pretty common scenario funding you name around the village and British historians have plenty of archaeological and historical evidence of their ethnic diversity but readers as well as the show full of prizes for who would taint his PhD in creative writing from Victoria University and teaches creative writing at messy in Palestine not formality perhaps for any type of person who was categorized as a regular in some way exhibition halls places frequented would be exhibited alongside other seemingly unrelated things speak to call was the objective so the stranger the Mex- the beater capuchins some Chinese things some Indian things in people of those varieties whale bones learned cats what time with Marcus tomorrow he's going to be in conversation with Charlotte Grand mcclay in the morning at eight thirty is that right ridiculously early as it in the evening said eight portrait's made of here and embroidered classic paintings peep shows but not what you think quite women in Bushman accurate and some of them are not about rather titles that we used anyway they were giants and join teases ownerless people missions without critics but they were very popular and eventually sold themselves as educational to pseudoscience or even real science Kardashians both speak to call yes the things we used to restrict ourselves but live human exhibition no matter how weird the other what's and alongside wishy Maya she is co editor of black marks on the white page which is an anthology celebrating Mardi and Pacific writing and right together the fee but back then exhibition spaces we're not demarcated as they are now at the logical the graphs Mexican people living skeletons mermaids let flanders with the reindeer jeep way people as I say Tomato Tokat apologies and now and that was my magician's trick that we really badly in play Pat wicks works and clockworks what Amazon speaking playing HAP- s- accord writing plain cheese conspiracies panoramas featuring wonders of the world cycloramas Dioramas Toco in spiritual allusions if Jesus for people to heated men three brief stint women Siamese twins Leonard wonderful educated pigs many version ends of the missing link ranging from Boone's and chimpanzees to be it'd ladies and Hirsute children and even here though not profoundly so Tohoku Catchy Mammoet Cool Whiter Teeth Nitric Miki her in our who file hooky coach hot air balloons paintings in each ings and sculptures moving pictures Magic Lanterns Shadow plays mechanical theaters and and you were people referred to as Eskimos noble savages override his Mohawk Cherokee and Iroquois people oh my from Tallahassee and occasionally young idealistic in cleaver moldy boys who were after a good education it's not like the interesting now televisions wearing that she animal print and MEK tribal warpaint simultaneously unsettling us and making us feel Eh Tena Mecacci sheets of attitude forty tower Tiatia nutty rang a tightly packed and according to family's stories Moriori to send us but Donald Kardashian rich and it'll distracts us for a while and the way that is pleasant but also slightly uneasy as exhibit Scott was the strange strangest and most reprehensible I wanted to figure out what the audience Scott from it and doing something we know is not exactly good for us you imagine the Whiz of monster mongers and other retailers of strange sights and be aware some of these descriptions the thanks very much I bring greetings from all the people of Ireland to hear about his relationship with distraction please welcome John boing fifty languages he also reviews books for the Irish Times he's been a judge for literary awards and Ireland and Canada and two thousand twelve John was awarded the Hennessy intially through other writers and theorists more clear than me I came to understand that the exhibitions where like Victorian vision of reality I've watched the Kardashians for the pure spectacle of it for the oddness of overpumped loops and helps the strangeness of Money To Burn Three thousand six novel many of you will know the boy in the striped pyjamas it was a huge hit and it sold more than ten million copies worldwide and has been addicted for film action at some point and that book is available however in Hardback Paperback e Book and also a lovely audio version and wherever books are sold food and our world and the real world perhaps this is the great illusion and maybe we get from it what the Victorian Scott from their exhibition they will you get to watch the other behaving in ways you find odd you judge abnormal and I realized I do it too and my sisters and my niece live halfway between us and we call it the Boyne Triangle I try not to stray too far outside of that triangle because I distracted myself also John Me Great Stat to attacking targets or tonight oh he will like like most writers I think I am essentially a very solitary person I like to be at home I'm not much of a socialized I don't have any all right John Boyne comes to us from Dublin he's written eleven novels for adults sex for younger Rita's plus a collection of short stories has humans great and Freakish Curriculum Yours Arrays and taxi doing made or preserve species Napoleon's carriage Mexican in theater and ballet and Opera John has won three Irish book awards as well as many international literary awards and has published in more than tall. We're very happy to get rid of me until you've had five million people come to an airport and plus you onto a plane haven't lived so ends and in general I prefer to be with my family than with anybody else where I live in Dublin my parents live ten minutes away from my house unsafe indeed last month I published my sixth novel for Young Readers and my seventeenth in total a book called my brother's name is Jessica wrote an article in the Irish Times are most important newspaper expressing thoughts upon these lines and then went about my business hoping that readers would be drawn to the I'm going to read my little piece about distraction it's going to sound at the start like I'm just doing a shameless plug for my new book it's not going it's going to hit the word the superb Tina is appearing with three other rises in history the I'm sorry the Hennessy Literary Hall of Fame Award for his whole body of work delightfully his very first novel published in two thousand was called the thief of time answers that he believes he's really a girl and wishes to explore this new identity I wrote it as a book that would hopefully support young people who are going through Gender Exhibition this Strangeness Of Division of of Private arguments made public reality TV contains our human exhibitions and the saints that we are regular in normal that we don't differ from each other that much I mean the neighbors way beater off fascinate me was filled with comments at my attitudes supposedly to transgender people and my own personal character turned out system I wanted them to feel not shame or fear but hope to support the book and this was my first mistake support the book buddy who messaged me pointed out that they hadn't read the novel and they wouldn't read it because it was so terrible I needed to apologize I was told nobody said who I should too much about it at the time and just with my work as ever my attention is usually focused on the next novel that I'm writing but then my my editor emailed on social media and the Social Media Platform Hashtag boycott John Boyne it'd been there by somebody with a fake name and profile so I didn't think the day that my article was published my twitter feed which is generally builds around me talking about books that I like and for some strange reason kitchen implements that I don't like arguments at all I walk away from conflict unkind words just hit me like bullets at had the occasional twitter spot before after department I believe that the world is essentially a good place that people are essentially kind and there can be a loving society out there ready to help and tippy apologize to but I should apologize anyway I've always bean I think quite a thin skinned person not so much in terms of criticism Oh and hopefully enjoy it and then if you'll forgive me thanks to twitter the shit hit the fan the I knew of any backlash was Hashtag that appeared at birth the way people some people came at me and once when I expressed a dislike of new one direction song I was in disgrace for weeks it's the story of a thirteen year old boy Sam who's embarrassed confused and even horrified when the person he's always known as his seventeen year old brother Jason and me to say that she and some others had noticed some negative online activity and I shouldn't worry too much about it which of course made me worry too much about it I wasn't aware of it it turned out that I was transphobic that I was a misogynist and that I was basically donald trump with a better haircut almost I was employed to greater feet so the great and the good in the not so good of London flat flocked to these shows but what does that got to do with the and I didn't realize this I was writing that we would be and this wonderful museum as I talked about the so far within its angles I feel at my most safe although it is lovely to be here into needless to say but the world has a way of getting in new sometimes and making you feel very right entity issues or who knew young people who are going through gender identity issues I wanted to tell them that while all of us are still learning about the subject and need to be educated Eh but I've never experienced anything like this for days I lived in a state of total anxiety unable to work on able to read really loved that alarm clock so cade up and let's say I'll use the word distracted from what I really should've been doing which was making sure that I would we're travesty you just know yourself whether you've achieved artistically what you set out to achieve no my thin skin comes more in terms of personal abuse he's seen on Sunday morning it'll even susie and then a bunch of us and the afternoon on Sunday at one thirty in a station called motherhood of my novels a bad review for example there's never particularly bothered me as I think a writer knows the value of their own work anyway and they don't need to be told that it's either a masterpiece watching the finding Neverland documentary a couple of months ago I expressed support for the two men who been abused by Michael Jackson when they were boys and it was if bite admitted to drowning if any of you are live tweeting this event can I just say for the record there are no badge one direction songs I'm not going through that again those bitches recruit I such a fence but involved involved me as a non trans person writing a book about a Trans Person As a writer does not have the right even the responsibility knowing that every time I pressed that it'll blew up on my phone that would be more rage directed my way and I only have a few minutes here so I won't go into the full details of what had caused attractions the way they're taking these distractions away I managed to read an extra couple of novels because I wasn't online of digital detox was actually really helpful to me both as a person and as a writer we speak to each other online in ways we would never address each other and everything will be fine there John and you can catch John Again tomorrow to be a permanent departure ball so I don't feel that any of us no matter what our thoughts should be bullied into silence we win arguments by debate or we lose them by debate within real life anonymity seems to give people the right to use language they would never employ in social settings and to think the worst of people they've never met in real life God and should not write about in their fiction what I found astonishing though and most of sending really was that level of vitriol I was told that I should be careful if I went out alone the day before leaving Ireland to come to New Zealand I reactivated my account after almost a month away and was glad to be able to return to the fuhrer after the form is pointless that's rather that you can never win and it just ends up eating you up inside for all its flaws social media like twitter can be a positive place this Clementine Ford she's Melbourne Russia's speaker and feminist thinker she writes a column for the kind of feminist really is not anymore or to just talking about books kitchen implements I still got the occasional nasty message but I choose to ignore them and mute anybody who says anything on did the only thing I felt I could do under circumstances which was that I disabled my twitter account for a few weeks and I thought that miss it I thought that I'd feel some withdrawal symptoms but on the contrary it actually turned out to be a blessed relief the world I figured could carry on without me for awhile and strangers online could scream at each other rather than at me taking these but I suspect there'll be some times ahead we're just steer away from it for a few weeks again until I clear some space in my head I'll read a right and I'll hang out the boyne triangle but if we don't take part where we can't change anything at all I'm going to use my social media in very different ways in the time ahead I think engaging with unkindness in any just another chapter of the book that I'm writing and that sick feeling in my stomach went away because in reality if you're not aware of the nastiness than actually can't really hurt you josh I never go out at night anyways where would I go I'm all this while I was about to start a book Tur- In the UK in support of the novel and a sample things to do in Dunedin afraid of nothing don't even know what that one means Megan Baby Com and Congress in conversation with my Djelic Allen and I believe that's tomorrow night at seven o'clock fantastic thank you so much or v Russia tonight els bisexual Harry styles plays bisexual the other night I found myself reading an article about the royal baby everything that I've seen it pat from she's awesome so clementine is still full of fire and also humor both of which are incredibly wonderful tolls for laying the thank you so much for having me here on your land I appreciate it distraction like too many people I've had terrible habit of we tend to give I think in general people the benefit of the doubt until they give us reason not to see you might ask why I went back to twitter it was so good being away I'd never really intended spectacular fashion because I did update bye bye thank you very much Michelle thank you also to the incredible writers doubt what the distractions are please welcome Clementine that was totally my fault I resigned from Fairfax going to bed with my fine huddled under the sheets I scroll through my various fades and fall into Internet rabbit holes that take my google search history into some seriously weird places S. guys the baby she said was a dream he has the sweetest temperament she said he's really calm oh me and I think if you've just blocked somebody you make them feel that they've got to you but if you just mute them then them which is better but that month and I thought you blessed really really good looking effervescent antidote to the British aristocracy and it's nonsense protocols how little you know I remember bringing my own small creature home from the hospital back in August two thousand sixteen it had been a long Labor uh-huh with it in Aden pendragon survive a bad winter harry styles met gala Harry Hake on sexism has also reputation as a highly accomplished satirist her first book was an instant be selling when it was published hippocratic oath to first do no harm have no problem with handing a tiny helpless human to a pair of basic idiots like we were thing and learning on the job was to be frank terrifying it still seems completely crazy to me that hospitals full of medical professionals who all swear to the I thought to myself I've made a terrible mistake perhaps the biggest surprise to me was that I wasn't allowed to sleep I knew that walking up the stairs when we got home from the hospital the feeling of being horribly winded still lingering lying on my bed and gazing down at the wrinkled inscrutable being before me sharing the stage with tonight it's been a pleasure to listen to your stories before we begin I'd just like to say Cura and I'd like to pay my respects and acknowledged the monitor horrible in lots of ways as most childbirth is seven hours of excruciating pain followed by the sweet relief of EPA Jerrell and another nine hour baby hammocks that my friends child just loved he'll sleep in that I thought and that will leave me time to potter around and get some work done maybe this if numbed contractions we need to get the baby out now they said as a horde of doctors and midwives marched into the room there I was on my knees so there she was the proud mum and have beaming husband talking about how transformative the experience was and how she was so lucky to have the world's too screaming into the portal that separates this world from the next and doing all I could bring my baby across its divide afterwards my partner asked me how did you little in this skinny jeans and even if they could who would want to when they've either had their stomach cut open or they're still leaking blood and fluids like it with the battle of winter fell again Harry had fronted up to the press her resplendent in a white dress that showed perfectly the swell of a postpartum belly no most women can't leave the House language and become proficient in French or Spanish Oh yes I'd say I learned to oblast scandals or tricksters stories with twists and turns articles about ghost sightings and other magical things I did a lot of online shopping just to a baby carrier and the hammock sat there gathering dust in holding Paul's of laundry until I finally sold it a few months later I found the buyer on facebook the social media platform that had taken on different significance to me as a new mother so this is how my son and I spent our first year together in the typically wafting around on each apartment that never smelled like baby poo and which I never looked at my partner and thought I hate you reality Zoe safe com sweet tempered I know that now I would keep scrolling I read long form pieces about literary an answer questions and reassure each other is this normal I asked her paid -Ly yes they me it's normal you're in the trend ushering us out the door and saying good luck we need you bad for someone else but then we were sent home to figure it out I remember gingerly there is nothing nicer as a new mother receiving little parcels in the mail it doesn't matter what they are I want sport in e recording each milestone along the way uploading them faithfully to facebook where I just knew every single person I'd ever met would be gagging for more updates cleaner it didn't work but I enjoyed picking it up from the post office I took photos of my beautiful baby she's now but the dawn is coming outside the four am street sweeper with rumble past every day mocking another not about to end nine column do you still write for the daily life and a contributor to the agent the Sarkhej ignore early weeks of his life during the hell of class defeating numerous not time wakes I would lie with him cuddled to my chest and quietly suckling while I scrolled through my phone to do that I didn't are applied this proved a good portend to most of the days of motherhood that would follow I didn't know how to do anything and another day trying to fake that I knew what I was doing in those empty in between my milk keeping my baby alive and making him feel safe corrode shock by baby hated the fancy hammock preferring instead to sleep and remain calm only when attached to me at all times to be truly distracted from your children that invisible cords strong I often think of it like this but my son is a computer program or tap he's main you never sleep again that actually literally do never sleep again in preparation for the baby's arrival I bought a monstrously expensive and elaborate and couldn't wait to foreign over him the way I'd finally learn to do I also wrote because I'm a writer and riding with how I figured out what was happening to my of other new and old mother's around the world get off the phone we're told focus on your children connect connect connect you would die for this person that you could if needed lift a car with your bare hands to release them from beneath it that you would walk through fire to get to them and make whatever my baby strapped to my front and his carrier are lifesaver and traipsed through the neighborhood while he slept or snuggled or just observe this new world that he was in issues that affect women and people of all genders who challenges the issues of means violence against women right culture gene warfare and her comedic it always do but every night I sent him a video telling him about my day he likes the videos better than skype or facetime because he can watch them action even if other people don't understand it so after two weeks away I'm heading back home on Monday I missed my son dreadfully as they don't realize that this is what we're so often doing us mums with our heads buried in a phone we're asking questions about if this or that is normal never be a mistake and nothing could ever distract me from that thank you. AP's rarely slept all slept sporadically and it ought hours of the day but I didn't fully appreciate couldn't fully appreciate that when people say that we've reading articles about the mental load or how to nurture healthy emotions toddlers sometimes we're writing those articles I think it's impossible hot and my mind this new plane of existence in which I was suddenly not the most important person in my life and I finally understood what it meant to know without question an over he sends one back and I do the same he's the greatest gift of my life I could never regret him he doc in you had to do with whatever demon demanded it to ensure that the fe would never come for them I wrote articles and thoughts on my phone opening my brain and even when I'm looking at something else he's always there running in the background there in the screen I have found my people safe in the warmth of my chest and may tapping away on a phone held out in front of me the phone define the phone screens the phone and the will I have stored memories of my son I have recorded moments I might otherwise forget this is the inverse of distraction it's in about deadline distraction is about the use of management of time about relationships family wonderful a woeful anyone awake I asked in the online mothers group joined and they they were hands holding mine in the dog women around the country reaching out to check it world when life and motherhood were at risk of making me feel extremely disconnected from it the phone and the world's it hold within it where lifesaver to me as it is to millions to party let's say that right oh I was so nervous about it the the cutting away and the Whiter twenty-six Dane new book is boys will be boys fighting for equality is a fairly big jobs mentioned the Patriot he takes a lot of time in Clementine is incredibly focused so let's luckily second type of person and these people are energy give us these are the people that pops in your life at every time you go to them and then there was deferred kind of person a person with whom you have a reciprocal relationship people I felt leaves and we started with politics so let's finish with their politics from the UK Cala as a poet in winning hip hop Addis in a writer the good evening distraction is biting off more than you can shoot like me agree into come to New Zealand and Australia fueled family I'm sure I'm the only person in this audience who can relate to that sentiment because when it comes to distraction company which is sane and work with co liberators like Sir Ian mckellen and each share and he talks about your race British African Caribbean culture and aw three different times of people in the world the West kind unfortunately I kind people I'm going to call energy suckers and a social entrepreneur who fuses has unique sound with fees lyrical storytelling he headlines on tours and also works with ads like Jay Z. Sorry distraction is about an investment in people social media which has come up a lot tonight embodies all of this is great rain that we're all taught to avoid distractions that we must not participate in them that we must be present the phone and the screens that kept me connected beautiful thank you Kalima time will be doing a station with Lizzie Marley tomorrow at one thirty and then a conversation with me at five thirty and memoir natives race and class in the ruins of empire as a Sunday Times bestseller so you would think that with all of that would be time for distraction but let's find out eras come away a little bit more fulfilled and no bit more happy little bit more knowledgeable and you wanted to perhaps maybe this person's entity sucker -at's he's written for all kinds of people for the Guardian The independent and he holds an honorary doctorates from the Oxford Brookes University has recently published his on distracted to meditate property and coming back to write in when I was researching this book not to plug but is available in all good bookstores mm-hmm and being insane clinically just by removing potential for extraction takes very very strong person to come through them so I would say keeps Ima- Christina Aguilera Suzy Sir at festivals like Glastonbury and South by southwest in two thousand nine Callo famously launched the hip hop Shakespeare help or hindrance I'm not particularly religious mine at least not in an Abraham makes sense but when it was said to me that friends are God's way of apologizing you know months just after leave Satan spawn alone I go back on their might fall someone I lost four days in an argument it just a distraction that's all they do whenever you meet them they've never won anything constructive to say they literally exist in your life just to distract you from your work. Sometimes you need distractions there is such a thing as constructive destruction or I'm going to call the tyranny of no distraction imprisons when you talk to prisoners particularly prisoners who've been in solitary should get a real sense of ways like when you have no this traction you can literally

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