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190: California Democratic Party with Jenny Bach
"I think that there's a disconnect with not only community members of people in the community like older adults but also young people who just don't feel that the dan party always represents them. I've heard things from your my friends. Who are activists. But who are not in the party that you know. They just don't relate They don't feel Certain candidates reflect all of their values. So i feel that there are still a lot of opportunities to bridge that gap in have real conversations with with people about what they want in in. How can help them. There's something that. I do want to address if elected is something i feel. It should happen. That kind of does on a smaller level but not as as much is having a completely people powered party we observe today not a victory of prodi freedom symbolizing and they beginning thank defying renewal pro. Everyone welcome to episode one ninety of the model majority podcasts where we talk about politics and culture through the eyes of three asian-americans former field organizers. I m your co host. Kevin shoe on today's episode. I am really excited to share an interview. I did with jenny. Bach jenny was actually a previous guests on the show two years ago when it covered the api policy. Summit in sacramento. Jenny is now running for vice chair for the california democratic party. She is currently the party secretary. So it's a very exciting time for jenny. And we really had a deep dive into. How does the party work. How does it work in relation to the government whether it's state government in sacramento or other parts of and how you can facilitate change by being involved in party which is a very interesting angle that we haven't really talked about before so really give this episode and listen through and if you're interested in janis campaign you can go to her website at bach. Four cd dot com. That's spelled b. A. c. h. F o r c d p dot com and of course subscribed to the a majority podcasts. Wherever you get your podcast listening and shared this with a friend a family member even a frenemy. You decide to do so. All right without further ado. Here's my conversation with jenny. Jenny buck welcome back to model majority. Podcast it's great to be here. It's been a look. Yeah it's been a while so for those of you who have listened to our entire of modern majority podcast. Jenny was on the show with cat. New back in twenty eighteen. When i was at the api legislative summit in sacramento which was very important. You know really important. Lawmaking focus for the asian american community. That was happening. The state legislature and jenny and others were part of the organizing team. That really made it happen. So if you're interested in going back do check. How serious episode. But i wanna have genie back on this time to really give you the full floor so to speak and also there's a lot going on your side that's very interesting that want to dig into more about your run for the vice chair position in the california state democratic party but before we get into that a love to have heavy introduce yourself can more holistically right about. Where did you grow up in. How did you grow up in a. What got you interested in becoming politically active to begin with sure. So hi everyone. Thanks for having me on again kevin. My name is any bach of formerly. As mentioned i worked with cat new at the api legislative caucus. and currently. I serve as the secretary of the california democratic party. A running for vice chair. Where did i grow up. I was born in massachusetts so east coast baby and i moved to california when i was about eight and a half years old so i consider myself a full grown california now. I've adapted to this weather. Difficult right difficult compared to boston and a little bit about that because i find it interesting when my parents left vietnam after the war my dad ended up in hong kong and then in oregon then texas and massachusetts and my mom she would she left Our country She was first in the philippines for six months at a refugee camp and then she came to massachusetts so she started her work in a sewing factory and my dad before massachusetts when he got to oregon he went to school there and he was working in In the fields picking fruit pay and later on in the eighties they met in massachusetts and they made a home there and i was born there but later on With you know. Just job changes after september eleventh Dad moved over here to california and You know i grew up a little bit in the bay area in later on when to middle and high school in sacramento. So i'm still in sacramento and it was it was a good upbringing Different on different coasts. I think california's a lot more diverse. you know i. I had friends of a very different ethnic backgrounds of versus massachusetts where it was. You know just just different Was a lot of irish americans Who i grew up with very few you know. A p is a very few other Different community so it was. I i enjoy. I enjoyed a growing up here in california with that right. You mentioned just now. I don't know if this is something you want to dig into. But that nine. Eleven had some impact impetus to your family moving right. I was curious what happened there. Awhile with that was the case that caused you to become from an east coaster to becoming a west coaster share so there a couple of different parts of this so One my dad's brothers who came to america to the united states with him All ended up in california. So that was the main motivation for us to move here So when my dad's company at the time He worked in a company that put together artificial hearts for hospital so vices So when the company offer to move him to pleasanton california you know he decided that would be a good move just because we'd be closer to family but work on happen. Though is interesting was on nine eleven. My dad was supposed to be on a flight to california But because of last minute going on at work he decided to stay back a week or two in his white and his boss was on on the flight to california ended up going down in in philadelphia united. Ninety three i believe was so That was kind of a weird twists of fate. If you believe in that But after that whole experience we decided to do the move on my parents. I think had one of those moments where they felt. Life is too short After the war then after this happened to our country interesting is incredible. How long nine. Eleven has been in memory yet. Generation people have lived through it in one way or another ray and it sounds like your family. Got a lot closer to nine eleven and a lot of people in that interesting way I wanna fast forward to kind of your formal involvement with the democratic party. You know like we had a lot of people on the podcast running for office at various levels of government or on campaigns and those are sort of the usual avenue in which we introduce people to the political process. Or you're working government read. It will be like another way. And i love to hear the story of how you Became part of the democratic party here in in california and also if there's anything even your upbringing that played into your involvement in general cher. I'm so i started community service since i was a kid My parents worked a lot. They worked morning and night shifts. So i often was baby stairs or spent a lot of time in family resource centers in also library so You know middle and high school. Especially i spent a lot of time volunteering at family Resource centers in my local community. i also helped out at local schools on friday evenings to help. Teachers put together lessons plans. And things like that so i. I always felt that i was involved in that way but formally with the party I was a college student. At sacramento state and i walked by one fifth. The democratic college dem's at sac state booth and they had this obama cut out and i thought okay. Are they about so. I went to and i went to a first meeting and that's also When i joined got involved my first campaign and from there you know. I just got way more involved with campaigns in the party I ended up Joining the california democrat after that which is our young. I'm component of the c. d. p. In the biggest caucus in in the california down party served as secretary and parliamentarian with the young democrats and why loved about it was mobilizing all over the state for different targeted campaigns. In seeing just the power young people moving around different parts of the state where we needed to really win these seats And from there In twenty sixteen before a hut the tragic events of of trump's election in november or that during the summer i. I was approached by the current vice chair of the party. Um in she told me hey you know we have a c open for secretary No-one's running for so far that i know about We should have a young democrat in. Epa woman run for the seat. And i thought she was crazy. Because i was always in the background organizer and i liked just organizing in the background and you know co build coalitions in work with groups. I never thought of running for an office especially for a statewide seat like that. But after some months of of thinking and At the time. I was working for senator pan ominous district office. He was really encouraging to go for it. And some of my closest friends who are in politics were really encouraging to just you know just see. You have nothing to lose. Just try it out in an implement the the changes that you wanna see Build the party. The party for young people and so i ran and That was a tough one It you know. I was only out of college for a little over a year I wasn't making a lot. And so i didn't have the financial backing or the statewide name. Id at the time. So i remember traveling all over the state to me as many people as possible Who are voters in the party. And i remember you know renting a car driving my own car sleeping in the car. Round this day Eating from a vending machine at one point by the time. I got to san diego to prepare for a meet and greet the next day. I got off the amtrak in a semi five dollars to my name. I think at the time I was tough because you know i couldn't. I really had to to sas. You know what what kind of situation i was in. If there was an emergency would ideal I still had to pay for some snacks for this meaning. -gree So i i look back on those times in and it wasn't that long ago it was you know a little over three years ago. That was going through this. And i feel like i was in a much different setting And i'm not gonna lie. I think after moments like that of months and months and months of of just trying really hard to make my name known to meet people with training and at one point i think even wanted to give up a honestly because i just felt that you know is only given two or three minutes sometimes meetings even speak and make my case or make my pitch and no one knew who i was so And i would have to drive there. And because i was on state time it was very hard to You know take. You can't do political work during state time. So i i had to take you know might vacation hours or i would have to Immediately after work at five o'clock drive to the bay area to make it to a seven or eight o'clock meeting than comeback. There are times. I remember where there was an event in orange county. I would just take a couple of hours or a half day drive to orange county drive back in the middle of the night to make it back to work the next morning because i couldn't afford or had time Accrue to to take off so it was it was that was that was a real uphill battle And i you know it wasn't until i. I continued pushing myself through it with my friends encouragement Meeting more activists telling me about how they got involved in why they're still involved. That really made me motivated me to continue doing this. You know reminded me of wires doing this. And just so people understand kind of the background because you mentioned you know state time and these sorts of concepts basically jenny. I believe you're working. Still in state senator richard pans office. That's like your job ray or in a different different part of the state. Government was era. When you're running for this position secretary position. When i was running for it i was still working for. I did at the time i yeah. It was dr pants off. And i think the api legislative caucus had just and obviously for listeners out there who may not understand the nuance between those two things. Even though you're working in alleged office you're working for the government right. You're not supposed to use that to do your own political activities which running for the secretary of the party would account for that and anything you want to pursue as quote unquote seig. You gotta do it on your own time whether your vacation time your weekend time your evening time and those are the only time you had to pursue this in the beginning. What i know you mentioned a little about your friends and activists. I i love to hear you know that moment. That seventy five dollar moment or maybe there's some other moments that was kept you going. Where did you dig to keep driving back to work. And then go into the next thing and the next thing and the next thing i will. I will say it wasn't easy. Know it does wear and tear on your body mentally physically and being denied all the time to is pretty hard. You know you know. I i recognize that that would happen a lot. But then when you're living through it constantly. I think it's a little bit hard so a little bit. This is kind of in relation because it was within the same week as seventy five dollar story But that same night. When i got to san diego remember one thirty in the morning and I had just gotten there after a work event end of a meeting in l. a. And you know. I headed on the amtrak for the first time. Actually to san diego when there is one thirty my one of my friends had helped me out and he had reserved a this hotel or motel room. Iago so i found the address psychotherapy and when i got there i remember you know is empty because it was in the middle of the night and the front desk guy told me that there weren't any rooms available in that. My friend had reserved the wrong room in it was reserved for the next night and he said you know there aren't any other rooms available and i think that was kind of within that time where i just felt why am i doing This is so hard. I felt defeated of and i asked him. Are there any other places around here. I can find a room for the night in. He said while you're gonna have to walk and find it. I look at my phone at my account of semi five dollars after To get for the meet and greet the next day at gang. I don't know what to do. So i just stood there defeated for i think like fifteen minutes or so and eventually the front desk guy comes in says well we do have one room left but we never. We never give it out. We never rent out. And i didn't even bother to ask why i whether or something had happened in our reu. Some skeletons in their under the did not care to look or even wonder and i was so tired and defeated like nothing at that moment. Could bring me lo. Were i think then the next day you know it was it was fine. I didn't experience anything. Odd in the room and You know. I was really thankful i was able to have a roof over my head that night. did the meet-and-greet a few people came. I had some great conversations still even though it was a small group. I got amtrak headed to central valley for another meeting. And when i got to meeting i met You know a few activists in the central valley porterville by celia area. And i asked i asked around how they had gotten involved in a couple of these activists. Let me know that they were talking about Having wells in the area and how this was an issue In how of from what. I recall i think they were telling me about how At the time there were republican representatives. Who weren't who weren't helping them or you know giving them any kind of support with water in in wells and you know you would think someone from san francisco or someone in some other part of the state probably wouldn't think twice about it nine a bad way but they wouldn't have to write because this is in their backyard and for me. It just weirdly needed me in a way just thinking about how california's not a one size fits all state and people get involved for different things. People get involved and they're activated on different issues even if on water or it's on climate change On anything in Respectable respective areas. And some people get involved because you know the education system bright so within all these conversations. I just found motivation. That like i want to archive. And i want to bring bring these all to the top wherever that may be. Whoever is there to talk about what we have to accomplish here or what kind of presence we need to have in our communities For california to thrive or at least address some of these issues that you don't really hear unless you're on this listening tour right or you're you're you're there on the ground talking to people and i think after that and also with my friends just like you can do this you know. We're not quitters here like we're gonna make it a you're setting an example for young people You know we're gonna we're gonna do this. Don't wait your turn laker tournus. Now you're doing the work so that's incredible and after the harrowing experience of the first run it clearly wasn't enough so you're running again for vice chair. Maybe a little easier a second time around. Just so people know to these positions right like we may washed a west wing or your watch. Cnn and you wash the presidential run or the governor's raise and you have all their staff or you have glitzy fundraisers and people running around you do granola bars and stuff like that to keep you going. None of that happens in this kind of race. If i if i remember correctly i don't remember that at all right. Yeah then there's no people like driving you around and making zero. Are you feeling okay. Like a schedule. You do everything yourself right. Most part i was very lucky. Where i i had a team of my very close friends all young murat's who did help with my scheduling in Help twit there were times when i did travel with them to a couple of times where we did travel together in that was very helpful And i couldn't have done it without them. It really takes a really good team. So your current run for vice chair. And i was doing my research and i was going through your campaign website as well. Part of what you were trying to do in a nutshell is to increase access transparency and empowerment within the democratic party in california in our communities and love to hear what motivated you chew pursued this next level position if you will and kind of issues. You're hoping to tackle. Will you get there while. I still feel that. There are a lot of opportunities to have more active presence in our communities I we somewhat have that but you know after this last election we've also seen that We could have had more. You know i think that. There's a disconnect with not only community members people in the community like older adults also young people who just don't feel that the damn party always represents them. I've heard things from you. Know my friends who are activists but who are not in the party that You know they just don't relate They don't feel that certain candidates reflect all of their values. So i feel that there are still a lot of opportunities to bridge that gap in have real conversations with with people about what they want and how we can help them. There's also a thing that There's something that i i do. Want to address if elected Is something i feel. It should happen that kind of does on a smaller level but not as is having a completely people powered party. And that's not a new idea. You know i. But but i think it's been hard to really get there and what i mean by. People powered is having just everyday people who are democrats invest. You know five or ten dollars or more you'll small dollar contributions to the party In that way we we can reject or at least not have to rely on on bigger money. Wise is important because if we're a party representing people like workers and families in women color right like we have to You know do more to support people that also give them an incentive in reason to invest in our party. Because if if there's a disconnect as i mentioned for example with young people in the party for example right where we see. We saw like a high voter turnout for young people this time around. But historically we've always had lower numbers for for young people Why should they give up five bucks for the party if you know the investor time and then afterward. They don't feel like we're doing anything that really benefits them. Like just tackling really hardcore tackling policies like eliminating student debt for example something. That's going to impact young people for a very long time it. It becomes a cyclical Problem that we have so those are just you know. That's one of the things i wanna tackles to. Have you know an infrastructure for people. Palley money also you know. I talk a lot about Systems know and in intentionally. So i i don't mean to sound really jaded and Ariella government la politics I also feel that some of the things that we see Like people in power for example or or You know things structures that are in place are there for a reason and whether you know whether it's something that we want to change is is gonna take a massive overhaul of of power in. It's going to have to take a lot of people working toward that asking for it so you know. I think that that us. In present day no matter how great or privilege. Some of our lives are You know where the product of our systems and you know. I just want us to be able to have been in meaningful conversation about to address that. Is there a particular example of that that you wanna share just still. We can make it a bit more concrete rate for our listeners. Something just right off my head. I can think of is we don't really have a lot of. Api women elected for example. You know and it's not like we don't have women who run for office who are api But there are also a smaller number of api women who run and even when they do like what are what are women in general usually faced with right like matches the wait your turns the also women are least likely to raise their hand in jump into something than men are But i also think you know maybe culturally or there's also a reason why we don't encourage in pick certain people to to run and that's why when we look at our government structure. I feel that we don't see as many. Api's women or men right like we have a more now than we have ever before. But why is there an imbalance of that right like how can we don't see more women of color or more young people in positions of power in leadership. I think that that's all been intentional. maybe not so much actually. I still think it's still. It's still happening So so you know. I i just wanna be able to have conversations about that like why is this happening. And and what can we do. How can we hold our. You know our elected officials accountable to actually stand up in and have our backs for all like you. And i for other young people right for few people of color to to have positions of power or influence so That's something that i i also wanna talk about. Because i think that were were in a time. Where you know talking has turned to doing and We actually need to start as california leading on those topics right. How does it work. If i can kinda wonka with you for a little bit. Because i don't think a lot of people really. I personally don't really understand how state party works to be honest as it relates to other levers of government power especially when it comes to asher facilitating change ray and i love to just learn from you. You know if you become the share even if you don't know how does the state political party work to the extent that changes that happens within a party gets permeated into actual legislative change or opinions being shaped or influencing people who do have power. Like in the governor's mansion or whatever. How does it really work. So we have Working groups within our party. Some of that includes things. We call standing committees out like we have rules committee that goes over the bylaws of her party in that structure but we also have a legislative standing committee. We also have platform committee and Some of these working groups together in their made up of the activists within the party Or certain activists within the party All those together do help shape. What the california Party is. And i think that's important because for example when we stay in our platform that You know we're not going to accept money from big oil for example than when democrats who run for office who seek our support. The democratic party support Also need to abide by that right because they're seeking our support in there. They're wanting their california democrat in. We have certain standards and rules that we should uphold people to it. it's also level of accountability. So i think that that is the simplest way i can explain a how influential we can be And also i think during campaigns when we do pick our candidates it's important you know we put nealer out there on who the seen. Ep picks like these are the people who have you know who who have who share values who best represented us. And sometimes you know those digital ads in mailers in pain. Tactics really are deciding factor. Huge to be able to get you know the party support got it got it and as far as campaigning itself works. Who can vote for you. I'm trying to figure out you know like who do you try to appeal to. I guess registered republicans wouldn't even be able to vote against you one way or another but how do you. How does it work for electioneering perspective to run for a position within party if other people want to get all where you understand how it works. Yeah absolutely so. I think of it as three buckets. So the party. The body of the party The delegation i would say is about thirty five or thirty. Six hundred people In the three thousand range. And i i think about it in three buckets. So one bucket our elected officials and they get to appoint certain people To to you know be party delegates so that makes up one bucket. The second bucket is made up of people from County democratic parties and Appointed there and then. The third bucket are Adm's so those are So adm's i of wanted to talk about that. So i mentioned last but two years. So the next one's coming up in january of twenty twenty one in two months We have a damn elections and what happens. There is if you are registered democrat by a certain time so if you're a democrat like for example for this upcoming one if you're registered democrat by By this year. I think it was october november. But anyway if you're a registered democrat for the time you're writing for him You seven self identified female and seven self non self identify self non-identified so other than our elected in each assembly district to become delegates for the party. And that's important. I think it's actually one of the most important Voting blocks of our delegation. Because it can be anybody. And they're activists there you know democrats who really want to get involved in in how that works is during those elections Anyone who is a in registered to vote in these can can vote. You know these people in so they could be your friends. They could be your neighbors. You encourage brand new people to run for for adams. I mentioned that. I kind of talk about that because i think that that is an avenue. That really gets a lot of new people involved. They wanted to be To become voting members so altogether smaller than a city council district about three five three six hundred people. but everyone's spread out around the state. So these three buckets. The total number of these people is about thirty five hundred or so people this is quote unquote the audience. That you have to convince the vote for you to be a vice chair right and these. Adm's if i understand correctly sounds like the lowest barrier to entry option. If you're just a person that wants to be active you don't have to like no the county chair or be the county chair or be part of that club already. You can just be registered them. Yes and no If you can organize and you can get your community members behind you even if you don't have ties anywhere than that's still possible But some people get involved through the county party that way in they can get appointed to. But i do think that You know a lot of slates. I seen in the past Because people for for you know slates of people have been progressive labor groups in and a lot of them are pretty well connected with their county party as well. So i don't know i i can't say which is the lowest barrier venturi but i would definitely say one seems like the most open one force wants once again active Who is a democrat understood. So when is election day for you for this particular race there has not been a concrete date. But we're looking at the end of april. Got it have to be at least after we determine these adams are right. Which you said is january. Twenty twenty one or something along that line and then when we know who can actually vote for you then we figure out when they have to cast their vote. Yeah and This convention is going be different conventions where we're going to do the voting last time it was in person on this time around its virtual because of colbrad so be mail in ballot system. So that one's going to be. It's a whole different ballgame this time. Has that changed your campaign tactics strategy. i mean. obviously you can't let go visit people anymore and have those town halls in get togethers anymore. Right how has that changed. How you re approaching this race share so it makes it easier in the sense where i can be in orange county or elway within the same night as being in the bay area if needed right on on zoom So does make it. Easier in that way But it s to me take away from just no personal debt By joy meaning people in person that or speaking small groups in person It's different on zoo. It's like that for you. But i i think a lot of us are experiencing you burnouts and you just don't get That same kind of connection. I do to an extent. But it's not like you know we can go e. after and talk over meal continued that right Or or or. I think it's also very what's lacking and what i do. Miss is the travel aspect. Because when you're just in another to see how people live and oftentimes Like the last time iran We're able to visit people's homes in. Look at that when we talk about these wells can actually go take a drive in. Look at it. When we go to a more rural area we can go take a look at that or visit where people work and meet people where they're at. I think that element is missing this time around. Which makes it a lot more difficult. But will said in terms of speaking to more people virtually it's like teleporting hundred percent. Yeah one thing about zoom that i realized especially having some kind of a virtual gathering to replace the in person gathering is you can't really make effective eye contact or to read the room quote unquote what you feel the energy. Oh to figure out a you talking about something interesting or not. Are you going to change your script on the fly and it's hard to look up. He was as 'cause you know they're looking at something else too. They have five other tabs open. They're checking their football score and they're not really paying attention so that's really really difficult for campaigning. Right because you have to connect with people I want to wrap up with one. Last question. couldn't come back full circle for best something. I asked a lot of folks who especially run for office or get involved in politics. Who came from a family. That's very humble. Who obviously not come from a politically connected family and loved to. If you don't mind sharing here what's your parents perspective. On all these activities you are doing driving around up and down the states and working basically two jobs for this pursued. What's their role. If any in this pursuit. I think they're more supportive of me now than they were before. And i'm not trying to get cliche here obviously would have loved if i went into the medical field or law field. Bright dislike a lot of other earns But i think you know because they came here as refugees especially escaping a country that was very controlling in the sense. Where if people were out of line you can get imprisoned or shot right. So you're with that kind of mentality raising a daughter here. I i was raised to keep my head down and just do the work so i get asked all the time. My family still. Why couldn't just go into a state job or you know why can't just do volunteer on the side when i'm free like why. Why am i giving so much. Especially when they saw you know. I dropped in weight significantly last time when iran. You know Or when they saw the physical toll that it took they were pretty concerned and you know politics is always nice right. It's fun exciting Sometimes you know there. There are people who aren't very kind. Either and i think that they they wonder sometimes why someone would put them through like self inflicted stress to do more for others back the same time you know as much as they said that they still showed up at convention last time signs with my name now is very touching in meaningful to me and also Something kind of kind of kind of related to is you know they. They didn't vote for a long time. Either because of the same reason like you know. Let's keep her head down. Why are we going to get involved. What does it matter But in twenty sixteen there were even thought you know this guy might become nuts. You know seems kinda dangerous. He's talking off the cuff here in You know let's let's actually go vote for the first time so they got over that fear They went together to their voting center. I was campaigning. In orange county at the time for senator newman and So i wasn't home to help but ever since then i've just been helping them with translating different Yield either ballot or just different policy. That comes out that they're curious about. I think that there is some connection there And i i bring that up. Because i think a lot of us you know. Donnelly translate for families but You know it's not just like some duty as a kid right but it's also something important that our parents are really relying on us on and try and do in a unbiased way as possible. But i try to explain both as i can Find that a lot of children of immigrants have this you know unofficial job doing this and and helping their families get more involved and i think that's just really cool so johnny to wrap up. Where can people follow you. Your run for the vice chair or your website worship people go to keep up with. Any semi website is bach for. Cpi dot com. That's b. a c. h. f. or cdp dot com and. My email is bach for cpi gmail.com. So feel free if you have any questions or just want to get involved. I'm i'm happy to sit down and talk with you all about that right and i can donate and get involved in a normal campaign way to arrive. There's nothing terribly different about helping you. Or helping like a congressional candidate or something mil. I have a contribution donation button on my website. And i would appreciate any help. Absolutely all right guys. Well you heard the pitch. If you'd like jenny story. Please go check out our website helper out No more seventy five dollar episode and good luck on the on the race. Where love to have you back You know after it's all over.
Tortoise or the hare? Biden's campaign pace set to change as field narrows
"Welcome to the lid for meet the press. I Mike mentally it seems like just about every democratic presidential candidate was in San Francisco this weekend. Speaking at the California Democratic party convention. A big part of the conversation though, was about Who Wasn't There. Joe Biden currently the front runner for the democratic nomination. There's a lot of talk about just how much or perhaps how little Joe Biden is actually campaigning so far. I've been on the road with the former vice president a lot since he announced his candidacy in April. So let's take a look at the numbers by my count Biden has had thirty one campaign events since entering the crowded democratic field, that number includes eleven public rallies, town halls in house parties, as well as eleven fundraisers, and four of what we call TR's unscheduled stops at a diner, or in Biden's case an ice cream store or two so far. He's been to all four early states Isla New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina. And yes, he's been to California this weekend while other candidates were in the bay area. Biden was in Ohio speaking at a dinner for the human rights campaign, Biden will go back to New Hampshire this week and also attend DNC event in Atlanta so Biden has been on the road. But it is fair to say he hasn't kept up the same schedule as some other candidates. Why? Well, his campaign will say, that's because he doesn't need to. He's leading all the polls, and it has almost universal name ID. He can get precedent for a single tweet without needing to hold multiple events to get his message out, Biden, has also said that he thinks it's still very early in the campaign. Eight months, at least before the first vote will be cast, and that his pace will pick up over time. But there's another factor here. The first democratic primary debate at the end of June Biden's team knows that he will be the center of attention with moderators and other candidates eager to draw by out on hot button issues. So they're spending a lot of time, working to get him ready. And putting the finishing touches on new policy Biden has said no one will work harder to win voter support that's going to be put to the test in the weeks ahead as other candidates, try to eat into Biden's early advantage. But one thing his team insists at this point, he won't attack any of his democratic rivals and aims to keep his focus on President Trump. That's a live for us, if you'd like to hear more of this free audio briefing, you can add, meet the press the lid to your flash briefings on Amazon Alexa, enabled devices or just download us as a free podcast.
Mini-Pod! - Speaker Nancy Pelosi
"So here we are. Right up to the wire where in the stretch from Maryland originally when you're in the stretch especially in the Homestretch, you whip the lead you don't take anything brewer. You just keep what saying that lead and hopefully that lead will take us to Democratic Senate we feel pretty good not to be arrogant, but pretty good about holding house and winning. More seats. But also, of course, the White House. But Again My days but in the course of it, all we have to win the Senate. It's absolutely absolutely essential. Welcome to a special how we win pre election day many pod all over the country ordinary people doing extraordinary things and stepping up to make a difference with three days left in the most important election of our lives. The best antidote to trump the GOP and anxiety is action. This special many pot features a conversation with the third in line for the presidency and everyone's favorite thorn in trump's side speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi. Speaker Pelosi doesn't mince words when it comes to what it's like to walk the halls of Congress with these Republicans, and she offers encouragement and some really great perspective as we head into the final days of the election. I'm Steve Pearson and I'm Murray Craven, and this is how. The mini. It's the middle of the night the clock is ticking. And You were done. You thought you had your last podcast before the election, but we squeezed in a little mini pod before before the election less than when the most powerful woman in the country talks to you about this upcoming election, you share it with as many listeners as you can. That's right. Everyone needs to hear the words from Speaker Pelosi. Pleased to be included in a round table conversation with her and some other podcast host including Brian Tyler Cohen and Scott Dworkin who both co hosted this podcast while you're on maternity leave. So we were among friends. That's so awesome. I'm really excited about this one and let me just tell you I've seen speaker Pelosi on so many zooms in the past couple of weeks I'm not sure how she has the energy or the time after passing all this legislation and supporting all these folks are running and running herself to have all of these conversations but I think it's an indication of how important it is to speak to as many people as possible which all of our listeners volunteers are already now. Yes she she's absolutely been a great supporter of grassroots groups to build all of our People Power Power. She's an activist and organizer. That's where her roots are as the former chair of the California Democratic Party So she's got a great perspective on this moment in history. Well, we need right now all the perspective inspiration words of wisdom and encouragement we can get. So I am eager to hear what Speaker Nancy Pelosi shared with you. Thank you so much speaker Pelosi for this and I'm very pleased to wrap US up here because we've heard so many exciting and wonderful things of what can happen when we get the majority and get the White House. But we still have a few days to make sure that that happens and we know that there is just an incredible amount of volunteer energy happening right now people joining phone banks who have never phone banked before you've been incredibly supportive of progressive groups like swing left indivisible and and others So my question for you is have you seen? In your career like the kind of engagement we're seeing right now what's your advice to people who were making calls in these final days and what gives you the most hope seeing this engagement? Well thank swing left and and to you and to toy Taylor who is us a regular update on what's left is doing remorseful number of people making incredible amounts to call surpassing even the most ambitious goals a as you well know. So thank you for that one of the. The contrast now is when I was speaking of the first time I can thinking why are people not rising up to what we're doing why why has it but the social media has enabled so much more haven't was then, but it's more. So now is a double edged sword. Some of it is not so good on the other side of, but a lot of it enables. Small donors to participate messages to go out to enlist and so what I but we have gained from it is first of all when we're trying to pretend the affordable care. The. Groups were telling us these are the messages. That people respond to. They respond to the so are thousands of people are more excited to call make calls that people are going to respond to, and this is what it will be. You know that's why we came down to. Of Your. Jobs claim government because it sprang from them an end of back to people are so energized about all of this even with some differences of opinion. That's okay. And we have an expression it's terrible. Don't tell anybody when you see all that diversity come at you think we've got to prioritize and we we don't want you a minimize anything Suzy Azam but there's a timeframe and we've got to make something happen. It's A. Think of it as patriotic expression. One of some of them veterans of Patrick Murphy taught me this while bank. He said, we've not all that stuff have. Embraced Suck. said a horrible special. You just embraced the whole thing. It's not a one. Wish this one having now it's this as we are. It's ice. And and then we build out consensus you may. They'll one day. You may prevail the next but everybody has a chance to make their case on what how they want to go forward and we don't we all resource to each other. So it's not well, I'm really unhappy unions. Go for my. Try Yari that nouns were all resource so we don't want to diminish anyone's Effectiveness. Anyone's credibility or in any way because we're all in this together because we have shared. Whereas exciting to make is the grassroots of on party arty organizing. That's how I got into the political arena as the chair of the California Report Northern Party all that earlier and the we called our volunteers in politics are dip's are very important people. We can all. Resources communicator message. It's only a conversation unless we have an effective political action, which is to turn out the vote. So I always say about the volunteer know your power and all of this because you're making all the difference, we knew the power of the grassroots. That's how we passed the affordable care. We can do our inside maneuvering and that's important without the outside mobilization nothing really great can happen. So I just say you ought to all of you, and of course, swing left has been just so remarkable in this regard in their others as well. you really making the biggest difference for country but let's understand that in all of that we have should prioritize. I, saw on your John F.. Kennedy texture there earlier he said to govern is to choose. That we have to. Make a difference, get the job done and prioritize it way how we sequence it how we sequenced and how we build crescendo fort but that crescendo doesn't happen with the outside. And the message that we want to send is not as effective unless we hear from the outside. A how it is connecting to hopes and dreams of the American people and Joe Biden is really good at that. Because he has knowledge has vision is knowledge he has judgment he has. Gic Thinking and all that. Yeah, and that's great and rather, but he also knows how to connect. To the American. People and that's because he listens because he listens and we have to listen. To our grass roots because. As who were here to serve as who were here to serve, but there's never been a time. When the difference Between the Democrats and Republicans has been more drastic and I've been here a long time is you know? You stoning. CARE. Don't care that we know they don't care. I. Mean They are just in another world. So I say to Republicans Take Back Your Party. This isn't who you are. Better than this. This is a halt as ridiculous. Dangerous salt on the lives, the livelihood and the life of our democracy in the person of someone I'll land where again who was a thug And the White House I just the way it is and we have to make sure. That we win. We win big and decisively and nobody thinks that we're like them. You did this to us. We're doing this to you know. About unifying America and values based way and that is in my view other the progressive agenda. That, we're here for the people and that the country cannot be great unless people needs are met. And this whole thing of. Made billions of dollars off the corona virus come on what is this so again, we have our differences in terms of. Timing at who wants what, when, and where, but understand that we have the chance. Because this toy be one. He wrote the history of civilizations arrest he talked about when societies are formed. They could either have the emergence of an elite which would be the governing called an elite minority that were there for the flowering of the people. All people. or the exploiting elites who were there for power and money? Power, and money and he he wrote this a long time ago. Glowering leads let people slumped flourish exploited beliefs money and power, and when they both occurred in the same society. It caused a schism of the political soul does that sound familiar to you? Eight that is their agenda we cannot let it Lie to the public if they're there for any good reason whether using religion. I mean I'm a devout Catholic but to see them exploit legion. Really. Get Out of here. Get Out of here. So again, there's a despite some of our Shall we say burying it? Exuberance is in our Party I feel very hopeful that on average O'Brien's leadership Komo Harris there. But with the democratic. Senate that are Democratic House even though we have our differences within our own caucus that we will be able to make a transformational difference for our country and set a standard so that people will see. WHO's on their side and maybe the Republicans will join us and being on the side of the people is not so much about politics as it is about patriotism. For our country. So again, you come at you served in Congress with these people you become radicalized L. Care how liberal your coming in when you see them on the day to day basis how they undermine. Goodness. In our country so anyway, thank you. Thank you to Steve for swing left. No wasted time. No underlies resources. No no regrets the day under after the election that we could have done more own to. Great. Democrats, just win. That means just. A fair way. It means just. Only. When Big. Right away. Thank you all the. Thank you for joining us just a few days left keep making calls, contacting voters and doing everything you can with the tying that we have left before this election is buber. We can do this together we really can. This is how we win. Please make sure you subscribe rate and review on Apple or wherever you get your pods share on social media and use the Hashtag, how we win Twenty Twenty And as a reminder, our regular full show will be on this Thursday not this Wednesday but this Thursday to break down what we know. What we don't know about the election results we can do this make sure that with the with the hours that we've got left, you go to swing left dot org, slash phone bank They're still volunteering to do as long as there are voters who haven't cast valley yet. So, let's get to it. Everybody will talk to you on Thursday. My local coffee shop is my Penn state world campus classroom giving me the full penn state experience online. 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Mon. 06/03 Harris and the Protestor
"Right home for Monday June third twenty nineteen. I'm your host, Chris. And today, a protester interrupts Harris on stage at the move on. Big ideas for him. Sanders holds a grassroots fundraiser at a San Francisco nightclub and what happened at the California Democratic party convention. Here's what you missed this weekend from the campaign trail. Okay. To open the show today. Let's review a notable and frankly, pretty scary moment from Saturday during the move on big ideas form in San Francisco. Senator Kamala Harris was interrupted by a protestor. So let me set the scene Harris's onstage. She's talking about her. Equal pay initiative with two moderators Corinne, Jean-Pierre, who has move on chief affairs officer. And Stephanie Valencia of Equis labs in the middle of that discussion of gender pay equality, a toll man wearing hipster jeans and bushy beard rushes, the stage, heads straight for Harris reaching for her and grabs. Her microphone Jean-Pierre immediately jumps out of her chair as the man approaches and holds her arms out straight out in front of her trying to hold him back after the man, grabs. The mic away from Harris Harris remains seated until the other moderator Stephanie Valencia encourages her to walk away. So she gets up and slowly walks across. The stage. Meanwhile, Jean Pierre is right up in this guy's face keeping herself physically between the man and Harris. It's a profound moment. I'm not sure whether that his instinct or training or maybe life experience, handling this kind of bad behavior that Jean Pierre in that moment shows real bravery, and does the right thing under immense pressure. She continues to shield Harris with her body, making sure that Harris is behind her at all times as Harris walks away and Harris for her part plays, it, cool, cooler than I would who are. I think you would too. So the guy tries to launch into his rant, which he starts by describing as a bigger idea. Let me just briefly reinforce, the facts here, a white man jumped onto the stage and grab the mic from a black woman while she was discussing gender pay equality in order to rant about a topic that he thought was more important. Alright. So a few staff members appear from backstage as all. Happening. The MC talks over the man preventing him from eating hurt at all. Really? And several more people vault onto the stage from the front row of the crowd to surround the man and contain him within thirty seconds. The protester is hustled, entirely offstage by a group of four men, led by Harris's husband. Douglas m Hof. It was a scary weird moment, and it immediately went viral on Twitter here is audio of how it went down. Listen in a first down the gender pay gap. Not everyone works for ration- yet. And. I. Thank you for your big high DEA, but we want to make sure that we are able to get through on Twitter political reporter Christopher catalog. Oh followed up with the protest outside. I'm not going to repeat the guy's name here, reading from the tweet quote. He's trying to bring more attention to the mass extinction of animals. He is not being charged with a crime. He told us adding the move on security crew was cool about it, and quote, let me tell you. We action online, had three key components one people praised Jean Pierre for doing an incredible job to they called on move on to sue the guy and improve their security. No news on that, yet and three they pointed out the gender and racial components of this whole incident and more on that, in a moment, but first I wanna play for you. What happened next because I haven't seen many outlets report on that part. So let's listen in. I'm gonna cut this off after the beginning of Harris. His answer. There's a link to that full video in the show notes, but just listen to how quickly this get back on track. And how Harris gets right back into answering questions. Listen in people have their own ideas. They have their own big ideas. Yeah. But we also want to being respectable to our folks that have come here to speak to it'd be risque over. That are here. We. My. We need a might. All right. So. You had a question and I wanna have have a question. Big ideas for him. Yes. Yes. Okay. We're going to actually go to a move on member question, which is from Ryan from South Carolina, who asks, what steps would you take to gain in protect the rights and lives of all LGBTQ people? It's pride month here in San Francisco. It's really important with conversion therapy gaining momentum and evangelical churches in that conversation taking on more of a national conversation in the continuing rise of the murders of the transgender community and given vocal critics of the equality act. What would you do to protect current and future generations of LGBTQ Americans across the nation? You know that's a great question. First of all, a McCue Lee ware of it, even when I was attorney general California for two terms we publish the hate crime statistics every year, and the level of hate that has resulted in acts of. Silence. And sometimes lethal in proportion is. Is not only unacceptable, but it's something that we all need to be aware of and understanding that these forms of hater very real. So by my count, that is roughly ninety seconds from the appearance of the protests in the first place through getting him off stage, resetting, the stage, Harris requesting a Mike getting a Mike and then asking the moderators for the next question. And then she comes back immediately with a detailed response, based on her experience as DA of San Francisco and AG of California in ninety seconds. Okay. Meanwhile, on Twitter, joy Reid wrote, quote reworking tomorrow show a bit, we need to talk about the invasion of these women's physical space, and quote, CNN correspondent Kyung LA wrote this on Twitter, quote, Cory Booker says this to me about the comma, Harris protester. I'm really hoping that we see secret service and others begin to step in, because that really could have been a horrifying moment. Comal is like a sister to me. I love her, and that makes me very upset and quote Booker on for several more tweets and there's a link to that in the show notes, too. But you get the point to round out the story I wanna read a brief tweet by 'em hav again. That's his husband who helped restrain the protester after the incident. He posted a picture of him with Harris and he's wearing one of her campaign t shirts. He wrote quote, thanks for all the kind notes. We are good. I love, comma, Harris and would do anything for her heart emoji, heart emoji, and quote. Okay. And now for something not awful from that same day on Saturday night. Senator Bernie Sanders held a fundraising event at the mezzanine nightclub in San Francisco. It's campaign bills, it, it's the first of many grassroots fundraisers, of his primary campaign Shane Goldmahcer covered the fundraiser for the New York Times reading from that article quote the night had the vibe of the Sanders rally, only smaller darker, and more intimate, and with booze disco, balls dangled from the ceiling when the lights flashed re-fleeting his remarks, Mr. Sanders, joked about the special effects, very sophisticated deadpanned either that or someone was leaning on the light. Switch and quote, other Fundy tells the story include the pricing of tacos at the bar twenty seven dollars. And also the incredible list of people who came up before Sanders to introduce him. The list includes actor, Danny Glover, and unnamed doctor who actually performed emergency first aid on. Attendee who collapsed during his remarks, and unidentified, man, wearing gold, Macher described dryly as a flat brimmed hat with the letters play on it, Cornell west along with Ben Cohen from Ben and Jerry's, those two reportedly joked together, and ended up hugging well jumping up and down than gene Sanders and finally guy sapper Stein. Now that last one is a little unusual saffir Steen, who is retired now had his career as a civil rights lawyer, but as marker points out, sapper is literally, a quote wealthy, major political contributor and quote, he has already given Sanders, the maximum two thousand eight hundred dollar contribution for an individual donor, but that's not all reading from the article, quote, more, interestingly, Mr. sapper Steen had tried to draft. Senator Elizabeth Warren into the twenty sixteen presidential race, even pledging one million dollars for a super Pac if she ran, he gave her. Two thousand eight hundred dollars this year too, and quote, after the super long parade of intros Sanders came out and gave his speech, and it was well received goad Macher reported this line seemed both on brand and true, quote, you don't need the wealthiest people in this country to fund your campaigns, ordinary people are prepared to do that, if you stand for something, and quote, the times, for the reported that one thousand people attended the event, which is a full capacity crowd for the mezzanine. It's unclear how much Sanders brought in that night and the campaign declined to give us figure. But the mezzanines website listed ticket prices ranging from twenty seven dollars at the minimum famously the average Sanders donation in the twenty s Ecksteen primaries going all the way up to two thousand eight hundred dollars which is the maximum donation for any individual. In a given campaign cycle on the sold out act blue page for this event. They're listed maximum ticket price. What's actually just two thousand bucks? So maybe they're just. Leaving some room in there for drinks and tacos and stuff. Over the weekend. The Democratic Party of California held its convention and fourteen of the major candidates showed up that's mainly reflection of how important California has become since it moved its primary up to Super Tuesday in early March before that change. Most candidates would likely have spent this weekend in Iowa skipping California for now. But clearly, California was the place to be over the weekend. With one notable exception. A high profile candidate who chose not to show up Joe Biden, California, and the other Super Tuesday states will come after New Hampshire Nevada and South Carolina, hold their caucuses and primaries. However, given the sheer size of the state of California winning that would make the earlier states, less relevant California, has fifty five electoral votes in the national election, which granted isn't quite the same thing as an immigrant primary, but still those other four states combined have just twenty five. Electoral votes. So what do you prefer twenty five votes across four states or fifty five in one state, California? So this opens up a strategic question for every democratic primary candidate do you focus on the very earliest voting states which can lead to momentum? Or do you focus on the biggest possible states, even though they vote, just a little bit later hoping for kind of a come from behind win, or at least to remain a contender for longer in a New York Times analysis. Shane Goldmahcer and Jonathan Martin. Pointed out the problem of actually campaigning in such a huge state, quote, all of the twenty twenty campaigns grappling with logistical and financial challenges of breaking through in a mammoth state of nearly forty million residents whose delegates will be awarded based on both these statewide vote as well as the results in all fifty three congressional districts with its multitude of pricey media markets, led by Los Angeles and the bay area. California is a prohibitively. Expensive place to buy television or digital ads at scale making attention and coverage from the news, media, and on social media essential and quote. So all of this gets at why so many candidates showed up and held so many events over this weekend in California, and the main event was the Democratic Party convention. So to give you a taste of that. I'm going to select some moments from the candidates speeches. This should give you some sense of what happened, I up former Colorado governor John Hickenlooper made statements that drew, shall we say, mixed reactions from California crowd listening. If we want to Donald Trump and the rest of goals, socialism is not the answer. Ears. President. Shouldn't try to achieve coverage by removing private insurance for over one hundred and fifty million. Not try to change by guaranteeing American. Vision. I want to give a reason to forward tomorrow as president, I will make healthier. He. The real. I will tackle with the laser I won't want to roll to going in. Universal Bax on mall. Yeah. Now for what it's worth all the other audio from all the recordings. I've heard from the Hickenlooper thing has a ton of echo, but it is still intelligible, if you pay attention. And maybe rewind it back if you miss something, but for those of you listen to this podcast at a higher speed like two x or one point five x. Yeah. Might want to slow down or a lot of these clips would have sound super trippy, so your choice. All right. The themes common to most of the candidates speeches were a desire to defeat Trump. Of course, an appeal to Californians specifically, which differed, a whole lot from person to person. And by the way, Harris is a sitting Senator from California and last a bunch of digs Joe Biden, Who Wasn't There still remains at the top of the democratic primary polls. Okay. So let's Warren got a huge response from the crowd when she came in she walked into Dali pardons hits on nine to five and proceeded to tell the audience that she had a plan to win. She. Then laid out a clear argument that got at two things I wealth inequality and second, Joe Biden in this clip note, how she oblique calls out Biden's claim that once Trump is out of office, Republicans will have a so-called epiphany and start. Compromising with Democrats. Listen in. Which in the power. Tally up. This tax loopholes savor, the riches people in the business or were rations. Revelations driller. We generation. After generation the list on going. Housing or. Around is more of a nervous. All in to one. That is in the hands of the wills and Connecticut. Sales at the sense of everyone. Two weeks. Inches. If things. The removal because. The goal is. And better were Rourke also received lots of cheers for showing up and speaking in a mixture of Spanish and English that catch the large Spanish speaking population of California. What about to play is the very first thing he says upon taking the stage. Listen for the cheese from audience members who clearly speak Spanish, listen. Is is. Then. Muslim. This is the oil. Really? Holes, you get a little. In the oil. We those. Going to everyone can be these measures assess out if the country it is entertaining, all of us reading all the other mutual this country. His office. And for all of maybe. So there are a bunch more of these short speeches, there generally like six or eight minutes long flitting around online. Unfortunately, the sound quality on almost all of them is super awful. So I guess here's hoping it doesn't sound like that in the DNC debates. Well, that is if ROY Moore soda, the primary ride home, I have been your host, Chris Higgins, you can always find me on Twitter at Chris GAN's. Well, June is finally here, just twenty three days until the first democratic primary debates. So Mark your calendars, or you know just tune in the next day, and unless, you know, everything that you missed. All right. As always, thanks for listening, and I will talk to y'all tomorrow.
CALL TO ACTION NEEDED with Julie Payne Neward and Marisol Rubio
"Welcome to advocate. Like another podcast. We're here to empower and motivate you to use your voice. I'm michelle and i'm andy. And today on the show. We have julie payne newer and mirasol rubio. Julie pay newer president of the california sibling leadership network and her sisters advocate. Over at natalie's voice dot net and marissa rubio is a california political leader advocate and mother to an adult with disabilities. We're excited to kinda rush. This episode out to you guys is some time sensitive attention to this. I had the chance to speak with julie last week about her story and some stuff. That's taking place with her sister over the past decade i. We had to do an episode on this. I immediately was texting. Michelle's like hey this this thing is going on and we got it. We got to get this out and share with all of you in a nutshell. As you'll hear with julie story is that basically some some occurrences have taken place in. Julia sister's life regarding care With her day program and because of that they have actually written resolutions in hopes to pass bills and policy around A couple of things and so Shells going to share a little bit about both of those resolutions. Just reading from those details. but basically they are around the issue of transparency around sexual assault with disabilities and some attention. Around what we can do for the future of caregivers so we're going to do that and then we're going to get onto the interview so yeah go ahead michelle okay so before i get into reading these resolutions. I want to bring up a couple of things you guys. That are listening as andy mentioned. We're going to hear julie story. And she's going to share her story about her sister. Natalie and you guys are gonna have a lot of questions as as do. Even i want you guys to know that. We can't really get into it with her because it is a secret settlement and you know so. There's going to be a lot of unanswered questions but just know that. There's there's a reason behind that in in in basically these resolutions will help solve this problem. We want to be able to go in and get what is it. Ten years andy of back stories and and you open these secret settlements and you know. I think you guys need to know to one thing that i was unaware of. Is you as taxpayers. We're paying hush money like these secret. Settlements are being paid with our tax dollars. And obviously that. That's a big problem right right. Yeah because you have to understand. Is that because we're doing. We're trying to participate in legislation. Take place it. Means that law can hold government. Funded organizations accountable. And that's what we're talking about. So it's like these organizations. These different care practices at open for day program in all of that they all receive state or federal money. You know in order to operate because of that they would that fall under you know these resolutions. In the this potential law take place which would put them in a position to have to disclose. Yeah years back of secret. Settlement cases related to sexual assault and some details around that and the benefit to us is then knowing when we go to place any of our Any of those who are taking care of with a day program we know more of the history of what's taken place at those and obviously the way that sound you think about that as well okay. Well there's going to be organizations are obviously gonna probably push back on that and and that should be a red flag right concern s. So that's that remember. So yeah the money that you're paying tax dollars going are kind of in a circular way being funded to these organizations that are then using that money to hire lawyers to then where there's nda's involve where you know. The the settlements are are cleared and people can talk about it. And that's kind of that dance that we have here with julie story where you know. She s to be cautious with what she says. Really united to safety of her mom who signed an nda and we gotta be careful with that so that yes that's why we unfortunately can't go a bit deeper into her story and understand some of those details. I know there's so many more questions around them and with that being said you guys listening need to know. You know julia's go in to natalie story in it is disturbing and it has to sensitive conversation around sexual abuse. Oh please listen at your own discretion. So let's go ahead and get into those resolutions. Yes i'm going to read you guys. The first one is about support for caregiver writes it says family caregivers. On average lose ten years of life and thirty percent die before those that they care. For due to twice the rate of chronic illness. This part gets me. It's advanced cellular aging at six times. The rate of a single parent. So that's why my talks. Bill is so high. It says twenty three percent higher level stress hormones. Fifteen percent reduced antibody responses forty to seventy rate of clinically significant depressive symptoms thirty three percent moderate to severe anxiety and one in four commit suicide. I did not know that. That stats scott green. That's so sad. It says overburdened caregivers. Inevitably experienced declining cognitive function and overall wellbeing compromising recipients quality of care is says a two thousand sixteen seventeen study found that thirteen one hundred three deaths among disabled persons were due to treatment delays neglect or abuse says therefore to correct the serious injustice. The california democratic party joined the home care providers and asking for a mandate that one the board of supervisors to pay caregivers a livable wage equivalent to their level of skilled services and protect their retirement benefits through cal savers or pension to the state. Let's legislator to pay family. Medical leave and vacation more accrued paid sick days in permanently end the seven percent cut to consumer and three our state and federal representatives to protect dependent inheritance. So that's that's a mouthful. That's that's a lot but it's needed and yeah like paid paid sick days. You know leave and vacation. It's so sad. I think that we don't have that as caregivers right. And that's just it. It's like that realizing the transition is whether you're a parent caregiver or the caregivers. You've hired to be in your home or as a sibling as a caregiver. Wherever you're at it suddenly realizing that the responsibilities you take on Are different than folks who have nursing degrees in are working in hospitals and it is. There's a huge disparity between the needs that our caregivers have versus ones that are provided for those who are quote unquote professionals. And so that's really what this resolution is getting at is attempting to close the gap between those of us. That are just. You are at home caregivers. Either for children or for our siblings or for our parents or whoever it is to actually take that more seriously and get the support that we need. Okay and then the second one. The second one is called secret settlement transparency for dependent adults with intellectual and developmental disabilities who are victims of sexual assaults. There's a sexual assaults among dependent adults with intellectual and developmental disabilities according to national public radio. Npr individuals with add assaulted at a rate seven times higher than the general population and many of these crimes go unpunished. Npr added victims are easily. Manipulated will have difficulty testifying leader. These crimes go mostly unrecognized unprosecuted and unpunished and the abuser is free to abuse again. This is an epidemic among a highly vulnerable population. That is largely silent and incapable of self advocacy. We need data to speak to us about the scope of the problem to inform consumers and to drive and inform policy secret settlements. Seek to cover a large issue and prevent advocates from taking on systemic reform and from holding organizations in criminals accountable for human rights violations protected by the act disability justice dot org found the just three percent of sexual abuse involving people with developmental disabilities are ever reported and significantly approximately eighty percent of women and thirty percent of men with developmental disabilities. Have been sexually assaulted. Half of these women have been assaulted more than ten times. Therefore we asked the california democratic party join us and asking our county state and federal representatives to consider legislation that will mandate government agencies that serve dependent individuals to file an annual report that updates the number or sorry that outlines the number of settlements that have entered into an wia claim was brought forth it would require reports to be filed dating back ten years so that we can have a historical data government funded. Monetary settlements will provide text with transparency and accountability. About how their money is being spent and discourage government agencies from covering up sexual crimes against a largely silent intellectually disabled population therefore a percentage of monetary settlements will go towards better care provider screening research into better protocols prevent document incidents of sexual assault and technologies that will enable this vulnerable population to better communicate distress and installing protective and remedial measures for intellectually disabled individuals who are at risk or victims of sexual assault in nursing homes or being cared for at home by government employed. Home care providers. Well done so you guys can read these resolutions for yourself over and julie advocate dot com as mentioned to understand. This is that the we need to rally public support so that a particular party adopt something in present it into law in and move forward from there so this is. This is a bipartisan issue. No matter where you are On your political party We're all in this in so they want to be able to show that the public is actually behind this and so that's what those signatures are largely four. There is when you get to their site. You'll notice that there's one section to sign off if you are actually a democratic leader or an elected official and then there's another section for signing as a member of the public so that's where if you are not the former to i mentioned you can do that otherwise it doesn't matter if you're in california or not this is actually if you are all over the nation you can sign this and show that we are rallying support around these two issues so folks. We were putting this together because they've got a march thirtieth deadline. I believe to get Some attention towards the issue so the democratic party can adopt the platform and actually move forward with the bill But having the public signature support around it helps to show them the public about this and we need to do something about it. So that's what we're asking you guys to do is come on over and sign in support of these two resolutions and if you happen to be a democratic li-listening or an elected official listening or if you have family members who are friends of those who are connected to please pass this on or yourself head over to mirasol and julia advocate dot com and sign off on the so without further ado. Let's welcome. julie. Saul to advocate like a mother. Okay well. I'm i'm really excited as we mentioned in the intro. We're expediting this episode out to you guys. I have julie payne newer and mirasol rubio in the conversation today. I had a chance to talk with julie last week. about stuff that she's working on and i heard her story and what she started doing with mirasol and i was like we have to have you guys on the show There's a short time line for some stuff. Let's get on the mic so we can talk about what we're gonna talk about today so if you would julie why don't you introduce yourself. Tell us a little bit about what you're doing with your work with siblings and then kind of tell us about natalie's story your sister and then how you met mirasol and we'll kind of go from there. I love it okay. Well hi everybody. My name is julie payne newark. I am from the san francisco. Bay area grew up in the east bay concord. walnut create You know i'm the oldest of four kiddos so there's me i have my sister ali I have a brother. Philip younger which i shall we actually span about eight years there and my sister natalie is what i grew up calling special. She's my special sister Natalie is only two years younger than me. She was born what we would call typical and then she went into a coma. Suddenly that left her brain damaged You know. I feel very blessed. My mother my mother's nurse. That was her career before she decided to stay home. And take care of my sister so you know throughout my life. I've known that natalie's in In really good hands. So so what does this all mean so now. He's diagnosis and sepilok pathy origin. So you know. I actually grew up going to parochial school. Actually propia school from gender gardens. Graduate school And y you know. I've i spent much of my prayer to god every day during special intentions that my district and that's a relationship that i've always yearned for i don't know any different You know i have my brother and we would run around. And i would put him in dresses poor guy and now he's married with children and has some career and then i have my younger sister patricia. Who i would call more or less baby doll because eight years older and i took care of her to growing up as of today tables turn patricia. Now helps my mom. Tier of natalie So so natalie grew up going t no outside programs and i would volunteer and i spent a lot of my time helping I was my mother's bright yen. I would spend weekends cleaning when my friends are probably out drinking and having to time and ironing and just helping my mom out And really you know it was. It was caring for my sister. And there's a deep connection there and despite my sister and her diagnosis which all describe you what that even means right like what is she like. What are her behaviors You know it's it's a tight bond. It's a very tight on. So natalie is She's nonverbal. She's what i've been told his ambulatory so she can walk. She does her diapers My mom does potty trainer so you know after meals. She sits on the toilet to go. My mom is so tired of changing diapers. Natalie doesn't know how to open a door so cognitively. She's like a ten month old baby. She's like an infant. As what i'm told and i think that helps people can r relate to where she's at when you look at are you think is this woman typical and then you see her behaviors. So how does she communicate. My sister has very loving is and that kind of lets. you know how she's feeling She also communicates by moaning I've seen my sister cried twice in my life. My mother has shared with me. That my sister doesn't have tier ducks which is very interesting twice. one she had a high fever and i believe she was crying another time. I took her for a walk. We used to walk. you know. Walk our sister around the block. Make sure she got exercise. My mom got a break And she skinned her knee. She said a little bit of tears. I've never seen my sister's show any real extreme. Emotions are extreme behaviors. She's very predictable. Gets up a while from what i recall. I haven't lived at home in many years. But from what i recall she would get up at like seven o'clock in the morning however breakfast have her medication. She is epileptic today. She she is on medication. For other ailments like diabetes. And i think some other things going on and i'm trying to get the playbook on her right now because i m but yeah you know. She's a lot of care. And so you know. I started co founder of a nonprofit called the california sibling leadership network and my journey. There is is not what i would have hoped so. Let's take us back to the year. Two thousand twelve a great year. I'm engaged my brother's engaged. My mom's gearing up for two of her four kids to get married. And you know i. I worked in san jose at the time retail real estate so i manage malls for a living which is really fun and great and i would commu walnut creek down to san jose and i talk to my mom and i remember. This was about march and natalie wouldn't stop moaning and as i mentioned to you you know moaning away. She communicates a need. And we don't know what that is so she would be moaning in the background and my mom would say julie now is not going and her diaper. She's not urinating her diaper. She's honor hunches at night. So she's kneeling and she's not sleeping. And i don't know what's going on and i'm so tired my mom would say i'm so tired in my mom's divorced okay. So my dad no longer was in the home. She only lived with women in the home. My mother and then my sister patricia. Who's six years younger than natalie. And my mom. Just talk about how tired she was known. It's like it's a really. it's. I've seen my mom and everything she's done in life and she's pretty amazing so her to say she's tired got tired so i remember going home on a friday and it was before april fools day in two thousand twelve and i saw natalie in the bathtub and i saw her vaginal area and it was puffy manga. Take carrots and other one those yeast infections are. Ut is happening. She needs some help so my mom took her by herself. And then my mom had a trip planned so she. She went out of town in a respite. Care worker that. I love dearly and i took care madly that weekend so that was friday saturday. Nab a seizure and she had a seizure year. She's on a miracle medication that we call. Depakote sprinkles so natalie seizure in nice said okay. We're going to the er so we took her to the er. The are didn't know how to treat her. I remember and i have a letter written to the hospital about the care. My sister receive the first ship. The first shift gave her lots of love and attention. Were very kind. The nurse on the second shift was absolutely terrible. Didn't even wanna get to know her how to communicate with her. What her needs worship very abrupt. So i sent them a letter about that The doctor couldn't catheter my sister. He couldn't get a urine sample to diagnosis. So he sent us away with yeast infection. Medication and i recall the doctor. Clearly saying This is comedy of errors and in my letter to the hospital. Iro and it's a hospital. I love dearly. My mom like my mom worked there. I was born there. My kids were born there. This was a shock to me. I wrote in the letter. My sister is not a comedy of errors. You need to understand how to treat people with disabilities little. Did i know what was going to happen next so that we can. Natalie had another seizure and it was very frightening. So i remember was a monday and i say april fool's and i look back at the calendar and i think april fools was maybe a sunday so this is on a monday and i'm commuting home from san jose and i'm stuck on mission boulevard and i get a call high this julie. Yes this is. Julie you need to bring your sister in right away. She's been diagnosed with gonorrhea. And i said white. She can't even open a door. Let alone kiss somebody or consent to sex. So i was stuck in traffic. I ran home as fast as i couldn't. traffic up. Six eighty got my sister got my fiance at the time my strength. He's my rock. Anna brought her to the urgent care and they gave her a shot in front of me in the buttocks for gonorrhea and as soon as that shot was given. She stopped moaning. Okay i called her caseworker at the regional center. I said listen. My sister's been raped. You know i called the police. I'm the first to call the police. I didn't know who to call. Police do i call. I call where she went to an outside a daytime outside caregiving institutional program. I called the police there. Secondly after i called the police in where we lived and they said nope. This is their jurisdiction. So investigator came over took our report. My mom came home from her trip reich. She wasn't around. she need a break. She was so tired. I wanted to help her. And i called the the social worker. The regional center caseworker and told her what had happened. You wanna know what they did over. Sorry to hear this house. Natalie around men now. We're trying to see what we can do with extra hours for care that was it. Meister was raped. She women in the home. She went outside the home she was raped in the regional center. Did nothing we took her out of the program for four years straight and my mom took care of her. My mom's only break as many people listening to your show. No is when my sister is with a caregiver at a program during the day only break and she didn't get that that was stolen from her and i saw her age And i know that there's facts and statistics around caregivers in aging. I saw my mom age. So i thought to myself. Oh my god. One day. I'll be taking care of my sister. And what does that world look like. And what am i going to end up doing. And there are other people out there like me. Who's out there. And how do you even navigate this. So i went online as everybody. Does i googled. Thank you google. And i came across a group in europe. And i said oh. That's not the right group for me there. Anything in the united states and i came across a group called the sibling leadership network out of vanderbilt university and now exchange it's now headquartered out of chicago and they have state chapters and i said oh great california's like the largest state afind find the chapter. I'll find some other siblings. I'll see if anybody else's siblings have been abused in. We'll we'll we'll just support each other through this. There was no california chapter. I said okay. Now start the california chapter telcos started the california chapter of the california sibling leadership network. We have grown to about eight board members now strong we want to be diverse and we want to have every everybody represented at the table. I'll say right now. It's eight women at the table looking to join us on in our focuses sibling. Support the focus of california says is really to inform. Support advocate and empower siblings. Is one day we will be carrying for our brothers and sisters and as our journey through my sister's sexual assault his unfolded and it's unfolded since two april two thousand twelve. When i'm here before you almost nine years later with the exact same energy the exact same gusto in the exact same fire inside of me to bring about justice and so through my advocacy over those past eight years. you know. it's led me to understand that people with disabilities are seven times. More likely are actually a sexually assaulted at a rate seven times out of the typical population. i met a wonderful woman in dr bala- dairy and who now has the disability without abuse project and aura. It was The year after. I got married so my brother and i successfully got married in a year. After when i was on maternity leave. I attended a roundtable on disability and abuse. I found online in. So i met. Stock miss Dr derian and she said julie throw up a blog. So i have a blog at natalie's voice. Www dot natalie's voice dot net. And i blocked ferociously and through. That nora was Sent out a aera quest for people to be interviewed by npr. And let me tell you. I have always wanted to be interviewed by. Npr doesn't oh my god. I was so excited right. Didn't want to be interviewed about my sister sexual assault. I wanted to use my nba and do something great in the world. And maybe i am still doing something. Great in the world you know but joe shapiro with. Npr was a game changer and he listened to us and he shared our story after a year long investigation and so january eighth of two thousand eighteen. I remember 'cause i didn't sleep many nights He released abused in betrayed which is a week long series and my sister's stories is within that series under. She cannot tell us. What's wrong. And i learned about another woman another sibling whose sister was abused Since two thousand eighteen not much has changed not much. Change guys Yeah we need training. We need advocacy. We need to get the stories out. We need legislation to change. And purely at the end of the day. What i would like you know is technology and so i came across dr susan. Abend of the right care now project. I've been in touch with for several years supporting her. We've been supporting each other And she's an endocrinologist In she has seen people with disabilities who have been misdiagnosed so her platform is that doctors are educated and how to treat people with disabilities. They feel like they're equipped and communication in the healthcare process is so important. So she has teamed up with a woman and they have created a for profit called advances which is an extension of the right care now project which is a nonprofit. And what are we looking for. We are looking to empower caregivers. I relied on a system. To protect my sister. I relied on mandated reporting. I relied on the regional center. I relied on adult protective services. I relied on the police. Can anybody protector. No but can technology protect my sister. How many of us carry cell phones. How many vice. Good young children that have cell phones kind of track them during the day. Make sure they're behaving themselves. Like i do with my seven year old. I believe technology is the way that people with disabilities can have their medical needs. Met and how we can protect from us. So so dr abend has this medical record system and it's inside out in so i know that there statistics out there that sometimes the caregivers the abuser my lane and my avenue Let me back up. I heard Toronto burke of the metoo movement speak at saint. Mary's college where i went and i was able to share a letter with her about my sister's story. Believe me she's a celebrity so she was very busy But i heard her speaking to us about advocacy and she says. Pick your lane no year lane. My lane is loving care providers who want to advocate for their loved ones and protect them. So when i take care of natalie hopefully ten years now. I want to be at work. Because i still need to provide for my calif my family in the state of california and i want to look at my phone and i want my sister to have a beautiful wearable that only i can take off or somebody else i designate. That monitors her involuntary nervous system. Her sweat her heart rate. What's going on in her body because you are night both know abuse must trigger that fight or flight syndrome. Your heart races. You get nervous. You get scared. In that is forensic data for abusers. This is where she was. This was her positioning. And this is the data that we have to put these perpetrators in jail. 'cause i've been told it's the same perpetrator going again. And again and again and they are free to roam around all of these programs without any repercussions my sisters Abuser still out there guys. The criminal report is still still. Open the civil settlement right So the civil settlement the The program quickly settled gave us a lump change. I wrote checks and it was blood money. I would give my money. The my mom the money Program was never investigated again. The mandate report was initiated. After i sent several letters in march of twenty twenty took eight years for the people that do their job and i met with the executive director. Now now this person was new. But i also met with the executive director probably a year earlier and said oh. Yeah i'll follow up and then brushed under the rug and i'm tired of this. I'm tired of being brushed under the rug. So luckily enough. I met murray soul rubio who i was connected to Do you mind me segue to mark. Murray so little bit here. Yeah absolutely. yeah. Because i wanna i wanna get into her sharing her story and so yeah. Kind of connect the dots here for us. Yeah so mari solan i. We met through a woman who who has a beautiful soul and as a connector and just believe that we can make a change in this world so marcelin. I met for coffee. And i shared my sister story with mari soul and quite frankly. That's why i'm in front of you. Today is because of my soul has been able to strategize. Yeah yeah that's great my soul. Would you go ahead and introduce yourself share a little bit about you. Have your own journey with your daughter and that and how you julie. Kind of became connected. Here it's definitely a blessing. I mean to me julie Felt almost immediately. We were kindred spirits. Mean he were here. Were two people coming from different perspectives. Because i was the parent of the person. I was my daughter's disabled but she it was for her daughter but she knows that as she mentioned earlier long-term she will eventually be in that role being the primary caregiver for her sister but nonetheless she has seen the pain and the struggle that her mother has experienced during this alone and it and i had just incredible empathy for her. I understood exactly what she was talking about her frustration with the system that Frankly did not see our family members as people but rather clients that they just have to sort of deal with And so there was just a a you know. I think it was a blessing in many ways. There was a lot of pain a lot of hurt a lot of frustration but yet still a lot of passionate and a lot of fight to do something and so I had You know started already in you know dabbling with some politics and getting involved with being Congressional district again being a delegate to the democratic national convention in two thousand sixteen and You know really and drafted a A proposal for the Disabilities characterised and disabilities rights. Unfortunately they didn't adopt it but it was. It wasn't prioritized so but at least it was put out. There is site and this is a lotta times. It's a hit or miss for us. You know But my story. My journey began actually the twenty five years ago And had to do more for me. I just saw systemic problems within our healthcare and education systems While i always tell people. It's not that i think they're not well meaning. It has nothing to do with that has to do with acknowledging there are errors and fixing them and with my daughter's healthcare for example I starting from a diagnosis of cancer. You know i spent. She went to four different pediatric doctors for thirteen months. Trying to figure out why she was in developing her meeting her developmental milestones and none of them diagnosed correctly if it had not a window only way. She got diagnosed with the colleague of her the her primary care physician at the time. Her pediatrician went on vacation and his colleague took over looked at this binder. Very thick two inch thick fa- binder of of appointments with her her coming with all these medical problems. You know Having being irritable crying all the time not meeting her development so milestones and he just looked at it and literally just said. I don't know what's wrong with your daughter. But i'll i can tell you is that this is a very sick little girl and i need you to take her to the emergency room. Now and he's he's like don't stop for food. Don't stop for anything. I need you to go there now. All i need to know which hospital bill which hospital be want to go to and i gave him one that i was going to go to and In chicago chicago and she was actually at a top. You know top national top piatra hospital at the time and she was on scene by the best of the best in the country when it comes to neurosurgery all you know. in oncology but yet despite that being the case Fortunately you know. They did diagnose correctly that she had. Primary brain tumor. That was the size of a golf ball in the base of near her brains them and they did respect ninety five percent of it she also presented with hydrocephalus which is essentially a collection of fluid in her third year in her third ventricles which was enlarging her brain and The drained that but you know and then you know. She ended up going once. They did the initial surgery. They thought okay you know. it's benign. The tumor was benign. They thought and they figured okay. We drained this yes. She's good to go. Send her off to rehabilitation and and she went to the number one rehabilitation institute in the country. And in the time she was there i noticed that she kept regressing a mike she kept regressing Something's not right. you know. Unlike she's supposed to be getting better not worse and so. I told the doctor the attending doctor at this rehabilitation institute. Something's not right with her and kept telling him in. He was just sort of ignoring it. Had it not been for a foul prescheduled foul up appointment. Post-surgery for my daughter About a month out the reoccurrence of hydrocephalus would have never been caught so fortunately her neurosurgeon which went for her. Follow up appointment neurosurgeon. He caught it and they ended up putting a permanent shot in her brain. That was now going to manage that to make sure that didn't continue to happen if which fortunately he told me very very sternly I'm gonna make sure to give at doctor a call and let him know you know. I mean this was just negligence. Frankly now he was listening to me and here. I was a single mom. I'm a fairly young mom. I'm you know twenty three years old and they're looking at me like you don't know what you're talking about you know it's essentially attitude i was given and so And so Great we thought you know. I'm thinking great. You know she'll be find. We're we're done with this but that was still not going to be the case. You continue to still regrets. Many of her symptoms were paralleling. Her symptoms prior to the recession of the tumor like projectile vomiting tremors not meet continuing to progress on her milestone spectrum and this happened for seven months and i kept telling the neurosurgeons at the hospital to look more closely. I'm like look. Please look more closely at her primary site. Please live marcel closely. I just remember having to north western doctors looking at me an crossing their hands over there. You know the causing arms you. Just let me so. What do you think we should do very arrogantly like we think you know better so the when we you think we should do and i said well. I don't know all the diagnostic test out there. I just know that her symptoms are only getting worse and more frequent. And i need you to look more closely and figure out a way to look more closely and so And then like seven. Mount months later after fifteen specialists had poked him pro my daughter over and over and pretty much thought like sometimes they were just mutilating her body apart and she's only like an infant at this time do you. She was diagnosed at thirteen months old. So she's an infant and And they discharged her because they said well. There's nothing we can do. And we can't keep her here forever so they sent her home to die because they couldn't figure it out. In the four day period that she was home she kept having about seizures which is basically seizures. That are set on high-grade fevers. She was having fevers one hundred and four degrees in up and have end I kept bringing her in. And then. Fortunately i had already a backup plan to call johns hopkins university which was number two for pediatric oncology. And i got a hold of nurse surgeon on call who went outside protocol and i said. Can you please do me a favor and just give me some medical advice. Because i'm desperate here. My daughter is going to die. And i told them gave her a fifteen minute rundown everything that had happened in the past few months and she She just simply said to. Next time you take your daughter to the emergency room ahead already taken Now three days in a row to next time he take her to. The emergency room asked for a That's all i needed. And i took her to the emergency They don't give any tylenol motrin at had put her life at risk because she's literally she said herself she's like they don't believe you at this point. Believe you so they need to see her how you see her. So i had a risk her life to prove my point to them and drive like a maniac literally blowing lights june not long life because had to get her. They're fed her life depended on that. And so when they finally saw her. I see the same doctor who gave him shoot me away all while you know. She's very sick. Something's wrong like nope. No kidding you know like. I've been telling you this for months and you're not listening and then i ask for that sean. Tap and by eight literally overnight. It kept overnight at eight o'clock in the morning. the next day just confirmed everything. I had told him that that tumor was in fact malignant and it had metastasized throughout her central nervous system. And you take this this whole. This is a top top ten pediatric hospital. At the time. I think was somewhere on number six in the whole country. The best and brightest. So then you'd think like okay. I thought okay finally at least we are going to are now and colleges treat here said okay. Give me give me like three days to go. We're gonna have a tumor board meeting. Lend al comeback to give you options. You know what we can do. He comes back and tells me that. Basically they have these three different Chemotherapy chemotherapy edge yvonne treatments which is basically what they call chemo cocktails where they'll give him like they combine them to try to essentially for more a targeted from two different ways they have cancer and then proceeded to say i don't think she is going but our recommendation is no treatment in i said why and there is i. We actually don't think any of these team chemotherapies are going to work am like so we think et cetera. How much time does she have. They said she has about six months to a year. And then i said to him he just looked at him. And i said well we said well we prefer to send her home and let her enjoy the last few days of her life not in this hospital but at home and i said to them. Are you kidding me. I said it will who enjoys dying from cancer. No joy in death from cancer. So i said to him i said no. We're not gonna do that. I said i want you. Give me your top three choices. I'm going to go research. Sam and back then. We didn't have cell phones. So i had to go to the computer room upstairs and spent six and a half hours by myself with no medical degree at figure out what clinical trials meant phase one to in three and what immense by get through a blood brain barrier. And figure this all in record pace in literally told them after spending all night researching. This came down the next morning and told them we're going to go with at the time. It was cyclophosphamide mead. Which is at the at. The time was thirty-three-year-old. Kim standard chemotherapy until poteen which was still in clinical. Trials had never been tested in children. My daughter was the first child to receive that. And we i had a sign. Then i had to wait another three days to get an h. National institutes of health approval for her to receive that trial chemotherapy. And it's because of that now. My daughter is now alive. And she's twenty five years old about to celebrate her twenty sixth birthday in july. So all these things just went wrong wrong. All every step of the way i was beginning was giving brought misinformation and had i not had the know how the ability because english as my first language. I know how to use technology. I knew how to advocate for my daughter. And i thought to myself. Wow imagine how many other parents didn't get a chance to fight for their own kids because he just didn't know how now so all they had was a word of that doctor and no offense to doctors. I get that there. You know hundreds and hundreds of patients but this is really showing you that that we as a society really need to realize the important pivotal role that primary caregivers who by the way are often yes the mother or the children of an elderly person who are caring for someone and they are literally providing lifesaving care because in my situation my daughter would be dead today if i left it up to the doctors and so so this is something that i just became very passionate about over the years and started getting more and more involved i was even pursued my degree neurobiology because i i knew that even from the educational standpoint system standpoint she had multiple learning disabilities as a function of the multiple you know surgeries in our brain that she added plus not to mention that chemo's neuro toxic. It's and Like i said there surgeries 'cause You know Scar tissue near brain. So we should all these multiple learnings abilities that i know. Our school systems were not equipped to meet her where she knew where she needed to be met. And so it was something that i spend a minimum of three to four hours a day six days a week working with her in going through every single subject and teaching our one on one in ways that i knew she would learn and because of that fortunately despite her having a borderline iq she's had three neuropsychological evaluations over her lifespan. And because of that effort that you know She today she is attending college and she is a doing this on her own. She only asked me occasionally no more no more than a regular college student. She asked me occasionally a question about her class but she's pursuing her degree in psychology. That's great he's are the same people that even the school. Her high school was telling me. You need to be honest with your daughter about what she can accomplish. And i said to her to the school literally are sent to them because they were. That's another pickle that's a whole nother issue wolf systems in getting adequate services and i basically said to them. I said you know. I'm not in the business of setting ceilings. I'm in the business of giving people wings to fly. And that's what i do and so that's basically where we're at and that's what we're doing. That's what julie and i are doing. We're giving wings to the people who don't have the ability to fly right now. We're acknowledging that persons with different abilities are human beings that deserve a dignified fulfilling life when people talk everybody talk about life liberty and pursuit of happiness. You hear people say this left and right but are we actually giving that to every individual right now. Yeah well thank you guys so much for sharing those thoughts your fighters. i mean. that's why we're here. I mean you guys are living up to the name of the podcast right here. We are before we moved forward. Shell did you want to backtrack a little bit or kind of grabbing any questions you might have had. We're kind of move onto the other part. Yeah definitely thank you guys so much for sharing your stories really appreciate you guys coming on Mirasol i had one question. I know when an researching before we came on. I saw Part of your story that you were denied respite when your daughter was going through all this can you share a little bit about that and why they told you you were denied respite. Right i got. I was exhausted. She had thirteen different medications throughout the day that she received ending their from two to four times a day and they weren't all or she. She had a g. tube. She wasn't eating by math at the time because she had some cranial nerve damage so she had a job that i had to feed her through and give her medications through and i also had changed literally myself and she. There was also injections that had to give her a subcutaneous and intramuscular so i was literally trained liking nurse and doing nebulizer treatments. Deep sectioning the whole thing. Four times a day having to wake up in the middle of the night and i'm not getting sleep. I'm asked to do round the clock nursing. Shed a oxygen tank at home. A pulse oximeter at home. I mean i had a a nursing home in my home. And i needed how. I'm doing this by myself. And i reached out to try to get respite care and she was denied literally because they said she doesn't have a tracheostomy and i'm like let's what i'm like. So is just another story in itself to doctors. Were going to give her a tracheostomy because she was aspirated a lot of her fluid into her lungs but she was paralyzed from Half of her face including her throw her vocal cord so she didn't have a gag reflex on this side and i argued against him. I said no. I'm not going to do that. That makes absolutely no sense. If i can go in through the left side. And she's not fighting me. What's the difference from here to here. Nothing you know. And so. And i said had i done that. She would never have been able to eat by mouth. Fortunately i didn't listen to them in about two months after that while traveling with her. You know I noticed that. I used to carry portable oxygen tanks portable oxyde of of suction machines. I had everything. I had the portable hospital literally and the wheelchair and i noticed i was like you know. I haven't suctioned her for two days. She hasn't coughed needed. It at all. I said what's going on and it was literally just a little bit of zipped preventing there's just like no other way to now. I gave him only a tiny tiny out one day one morning and i said that's it. I'm gonna wait twenty four hours and seeing hope to that. I didn't do something wrong. You know twenty four hours later no fever. Nothing wrong is so. I gave her about four times. The amount the second day no problem again she ate it and that is essentially how we discovered that she was able to now eat out. It was completely two months earlier the right to censor to never be able to eat by off again and again the fact that this respite care required that i thought was so ironic as if we were this. Everybody was this sort of like a A checkmark checkmark. We're a very diverse community. People are very diverse and they should be honored that way you know and you know this is one of the things that are really fighting personally myself and i know julius to we're trying to fight the b- the bureaucracy that wants to put people with different abilities into categories. But they're not they're off all have a very different history. They all have very different needs. They're human beings and as an and they think in feel and respond very differently and we have to honor that if we want them to be able to live to that their you know their best ability to best live we can give them and it had it. Been in julie's case. I always think about her situation. Saddens me with with you. Know her sister's may be an adult age. What she is a child and had this happen to a child imagine the outrage and that is exactly the reaction. Everyone should be having his outrage. Yeah that's so true. This morning i was reading. I was on. You guys both have a website together and on your website and i clicked on the npr link. And i was reading that. And i was just i was sobbing and my husband comes out. He's like are you okay. No i'm not okay and you know i just think like many times we read these stories and at least for me i just feel so hopeless and helpless like what. What can i do and so i. I love that you guys have come together. So can you. You share with us in the listeners. Like what how we can be involved like. Because that's what. I'm hopeful about the that you guys have come together and you ve given us something that we can do. We can come behind you guys because you guys are leading the charge we can come behind you and and tell us tell us what we can do first and foremost your this step. One right here is getting our message out. We really appreciate you creating space for us and for our loved ones step two is we are collecting signatures both from elected officials and california delegates as well as the public. We have two different links one for each because we are approaching this from both within the party the california democratic party but also outside the party we are trying to We out to resolutions Julian i have a created and The secret settlement transparency for dependent adults with intellectual and developmental disabilities were victims of sexual assault. And we have the second one that is support for caregiver rights and disabled dependent inheritance protection. And there's just a ton of information about all the statistical information are why we're doing this and there's also a call to action From our legislators asking them to create policy on these issues and so what we all understand very well that this works in a step wise process. We need the public. We need the public to stand in solidarity with our loved ones to stand in solidarity with our families and often these li- cars because there are like i said twenty. Five percent of adults are suffering with some form of disability one in seven children are have a disability. It is not uncommon and we need help. Give them a voice. It's our job to do that. And so You know. Julian irony have a more than happy to share the link if anybody would like to reach out to us on the mirasol. Julia advocate dot com. They are able to reach out to us and if they like to help us. Let us know Connect us with the people that you may know who can help advance our resolutions to transform them into policy on this show. We do a lot of work around sharing our stories in making aware of all the different things that are happening in the lives of these families as much. We haven't had a lot of chance to have politicians religious leaders or folks involved in that arena. Share about you know these kinds of things that we can do. It even took me a minute as talking to julie to kind of process like okay. What exactly are we talking about that. We need signatures for. We're using some terminology. Can you kind of give us like a linear shorthand education on. You know what it what we're actually doing here. So you've mentioned you put forth a resolution. What does that mean what happens after a resolution what do these signatures represent right now. It can you give us a little bit of that education so we kind of realized the tangible effort i we're trying to do here sure. So the resolution the two resolutions ryan are gathering signatures until march thirtieth To try to for especially right. Now there's a the. The deadline in particular is especially folks targeted at district delegates which is a part of the california democratic party. They have assembly district delegates and there are fourteen of them in every district. We're trying to get as many signatures from those delegates to sign our resolutions. Secondly again from within the party we are trying to get elected officials whether local or statewide or federal just sign onto those resolutions We need is voices from within the party and the reason this is important is because he's resolutions are we're going to julian irony presente resolutions to the california democratic party platform committee in the hopes of them. Adopting it into their onto their platform wants a time and the party platform then. It is something that essentially the parties officially taking a stance and saying this is a priority for us. And we want you. We want our elected officials to be working on these things. Then we take we also but we also still need nonetheless the public support and we want the public support because at the end of the day they are the voters right and so for every elected official wants to be reelected more people. We have signed the more. Those elected officials are going to understand. Our constituents want this so we are not only bringing it to within the party but also outside the party. And that's why even if you're not democratic i have left it open for whether they're mpp or some other republican. What have you if this is not disobey partisan issue. It affects all families. It doesn't matter so we are asking for support from community leaders with their involved in organizations General public voters in great. So all of this is really about numbers and presence. And that's how he mass the You know in the perhaps the most positive way here the word power power and influence. Because that's what we need to essentially get our elected officials who state and federal legislators to really take this matter. You know with strong consideration is urgent matter that needs to as it should be okay so so that all that said even though. This resolution is being presented presented in california. Does that mean that. We're still pushing for a lot of public signatures. Nationwide 'cause it's going to stack up. Show anyone who sees that the partnership of that resolution as all the constituents nationwide are saying. Hey we want this. We need support around around. These resolutions is that correct. Yes okay yes there isn't it because it's a federal and state issue it's not one or the other And that's why even when. I mentioned our legislators. I'm talking about both state and federal okay. Great okay all right. Julie i jumped in on you so i to so go ahead sharon. I'm so excited about this podcast. By the way i'm pumped on this. I'm always looking for ways that we could really get involved in sea change really substantially made. And so i'm so grateful for you guys were here but julie go ahead go forward. Yeah well i wanna think murray sulfur educating me. Because the questions. You guys have the same questions. I i was a bit lost. She's like do this. And do this. And i'm like wait. What am i doing wait hold on. I'm nervous. I feel like a megan in public. Waiting for me you know. I'm not in the political realm. You know i'm a mom. I have two kids. I go to work and eleven beautiful san diego and i'm trying to enjoy it for all you know kobe's changed but You know. I'm learning a lot as i go and i'll tell you. I had several calls today with local delegates politicians offices so kind so open to listening but really what matters is that signature at the end of the day. And so i do. I do want to reach out and say everybody. You know you're listening and you feel you feel like you need take action. You wanna take action. It is your signature but you know bigger than that. The stories from families about their loved ones being abused as hidden. It's under a rug. It's behind a curtain Today i was I was shamed on facebook for putting making my sister story public trying to get support for the resolution. You know there's a fine line. I understand that but at the end of the day if you don't see a face and a name you don't think it's real. I'm here to make this real and i think god that my sister she can't go to the internet and she can't turn on the tv and i will tell you that would most definitely be a game changer for me and i am fairly religious person you know and i you know i. There's a plan for me in. My plan is during my lifetime to change the legislation around those. My life will have been wasted. If i do not act in a positive manner knowing what i know and you guys offering this form is so incredibly helpful by my again. I've been working on this for three years. You know what. I'm so thankful to be here. And i think the next the next three years are going to be gang buster. Because you have helped us you know what this podcast build a community. Mari soul has helped me develop a framework. I was up all last week and putting together a website going. What am i doing here. Let's play with says we need a landing page. You know to anger people in. I've had family members from The uk share my post about my sister and the need for signatures. I mean it's time to get this out there guys. We can't wait any longer. Cohen cohen has forced people with disabilities to be sheltering with their abusers. I try not to think about it but it is happening so as we come out of this as we get vaccinated bigger than that as we go to people's homes who had disabilities that need to get vaccinated thing to look for bruises. You know they need to look for signs and symptoms of abuse We've all had one heck of a year guys and we're coming out strong. We have great leadership out there. We have social media at our fingertips. We have vaccines. i mean. this has been a time for us to ride. The wave of change licks get this legislation moving. We need to know how big the problem is. We as taxpayers are covering up. We are covering up the abuse but our dollars is settlements and we cannot let that happen it is. It is inhumane and it is not an american thing to do so so thank you one of the last things. I want to ask mar saw. So let's say that in all posited sense you know things happen. This does get adopted to the platform. The starts moving forward along the way. Then what are some of the critical points. We need to continue to pay attention to where we will need more participation from the community and from parents out there so you know if we are successful to get on the party platform we can obviously and even if we don't but obviously it helps us to do so We are going to begin to reach out to our state and federal legislators And it's great that i'm in northern california and julie's now in southern california so anybody else wants to join us in central and help fill that gap to please contact us. That's the other thing you know if people are want to join our fight will go to our website nurse. Julia advocate and dot com. And let us know. We need more boots on the ground but the thing is is that at that point. We are going to our state. Legislators we're going to appeal to them and ask them to essentially create policy on based off of these resolutions and And i am pretty sure given the severity given the statistics That we have put together. The research we have done you know with an with the public's public pressure which is so important and we've seen this talk about black lives matter we talk about anything. It public pressure is very important. And that's why. I never wanna under like talk about getting the voters to sign on is just staff as if not more important because I believe that on the values itself on the merit of those resolutions in what it says. You know what it's really saying is that we are fighting for human rights here. This is not a political issue. This is these are vulnerable. People who liked children need to be protected so So you go before state and federal officials to to present for policy to be made so now as i understand it then then these are propositions that are then presented to us during voting seasons or is this. That's kind of what i want to clarify. How do we follow this and continue to participate to make sure we see it through so once. We obviously are going to be lobbying. Yes legislators to hopefully adopt this and take this on as a policy in the form of policy once. We have that and we know who is the representative. Who will be taking this on for us. We will absolutely be able to a loop around and let you know Because we are going to at that juncture once. The bill is on the floors. Introduce we need to get again. Public pressure calling their state. Representatives both You state and federal from both chambers of the hot. So you know i have. We have two chambers open state and two chambers federal and there are ways to find out you can if you don't know who your representatives are entrust me i did not know who my representatives were until i ran for politics got really involved in politics. Don't it's nobody's fault. We're all busy But you can look it up at kava them call them and say state you know all gotta do is call them and say hello my name is darren. Soto ask you. Where do you live. Because they weren't to confirm that there in your in your there you are part of their constituency and tom. I want you to support this bill. I want you to support this and you can leave a statement even if you want as well Julian i are talking about. How even starting but right now. I might hold off on that but we thought about potentially doing a change dot or we'll see Something to along that Along those lines because we'd already have the resolutions renton But you know we're kind of doing this with this starting from within the party but with the support of the public simultaneously and then moving it through that that channel and then getting to our state and federal legislators once we get that a bill and it's a signed a bill number and We can begin to advocate for that bill and everybody across the california. A it's on the federal. It's a federal across the nation Kim call their representatives sign. Petitions thing you know it takes nothing at all but like two minutes has enormous impact right perfect. Yeah that's kind of. I think the learning curve for a lot of over the past like you know decade of us i think becoming adults starting to look at things and how they affect our lives in our world and saying okay wait. So what can i do. I could sign these things. And then oh then i need to get on the phone and that's kind of where i think it's a shift for people because so much of our interaction is social media and all these things but it's like now i mean what really matters. Is you make a phone. call you. State that your constituent of your area. You're supporting something. Xyz i mean for what it's worth that was the only way my h s case before. I'm sorry my ap case move forward. Was i eventually had to like neo. Contact my representative and say hey. This thing's been sitting on someone's desk for nine months and they were the ones who moved forward within two weeks all of a sudden it was like. Oh we're transferring your case now down the southern california yada yada yada and i'm just like i i've been chasing down my local social security office at the time or the one up northern california about my adoption for nine months and then all took a phone call to my representative and say hey this is what's going on and it's unacceptable and i need someone to do something about it within a week. It was transferred and slate. Yeah be kidding me so you know it's these little things that are so important in is going to really help ford so Michelle did you have anything else on that. But otherwise i think we have it we need. We'll probably move forward to present you guys with a call to action here. You know one thing. I did want to say really quickly and in mirasol you did. You did touch on this earlier. But i just want to say you know. I don't affiliate with any party. But you know i definitely think if there's someone out there that's listening. That's republican as you know you know john's you guys. This is not about. republican versus democrat. Goes across all party lines and you know this is something that we all need to get behind and just really want to just challenge that you know. Just just please just you know. Don't let let party standing in your way. You know there is sort of this pushed back because the government doesn't want they don't want lawsuits against them. That's the thing and it's not right. it's not. That's taxpayer money. And at the end of the day. I'm pretty sure. Tax payers would rather have people doing things right in the first place trying to spend their money covering up corruption in things. That are illegal right and it's not just in those the nursing homes. Unfortunately but i've seen it in school systems. I literally got push-back. Because i was trying to propose an idea to get You know Intern educational advocates to work as a advocates for families who need assistance with ap meetings and they said you're not you can't do that. That's the first step. Before they sue us. And i'm like so you're more concerned about getting sued than doing right by the children alike. That's not okay. How about if we raise our standards and actually make our school you. That's a wrong answer. See what you really should have said. You know what. Let's become partners with those educational advocates. Maybe they have a solution that we can work with and make our schools better instead of fearing everything and that's what needs to happen on both whether it's does in the nursing homes the educational systems that healthcare systems. It need. it's not us against them and were battling it needs to be like look. We work on different sides of this issue. We need to work together on this issue to create effective policies. And you're absolutely right michelle. It has nothing to do with party. It just happens to be that we you know i. I'm within the democratic party. So it makes it easier for me to you. Know work within that but it is not limited to the democratic party when we talk about state. Legislators we're talking about non-par mpp legislators. We're talking about republican legislators democratic week we are looking for a legislator that is willing to take this fight up and and bring it to the floor. We're trying to bring the voices of voiceless populations at living in the shadows of society. Right now we're trying to give them a voice at the table and whoever's willing to do that for us were more than happy to work with them in party has nothing to do with a. That's great all right folks. Well julie immerse soul thank you so much You guys you can what we'll give you some more information on on social media as we're promoting this. We're trying to push this out as quickly as possible. It's currently thursday four fifteen pm. I am actually hoping to get this out by end of day tomorrow. Which will be friday if you're listening to this because we're trying to get a little more attention around the deadline to try to. Hopefully you know. Some of the elected officials in the democratic party can get their is on it and hopefully three posting it and they're seeing stuff and and they can jump on before march thirtieth but all said we're asking you guys to join us in supporting this wherever you are as as mirasol said nationwide you know if we can push signatures on the public side of this Is gonna show all of our elected officials and folks in office that You know we gotta do something about this. We need to take a closer look at this and you guys can read more about what they're doing at mirasol. Julie advocate dot com. We'll put links in our bio in the show notes on the website. All of those places so ladies. Thank you so much for your time today and be. 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Which Presidential Candidates Stood Out at the California Democratic Party State Convention
"Hi, I'm Greg Thomas travel editor at the San Francisco, Chronicle and host of the wild west podcast. If you like getting into the outdoors and exploring California, wild west is a great listen. Tune into here, exclusive interviews with the world's top adventure. Athletes, like rock climber. Alex Hahn who came onto talk through his incredible free solo climb of El capitan in Yosemite. Big part of the film is like the whole love story with my girlfriend and all that. But I hadn't even met her when we started listen in wherever you get your podcasts wild west. Welcome to. It's all political the San Francisco Chronicle's political podcast. I'm Joe fully the chronicle senior political writer and today in the podcast and you knew the California Democratic party convention, where we saw fourteen presidential candidates who was the breakout star who got booed. And what is the message to come out of the convention? The message we got was California is wide open breaking it down with us today. We'll be talk. Open the chronicles DC correspondent, the big man. John wilder and Alexi Cosa, the chronicles Sacramento reporter next looking at the presidential candidates who came to San Francisco on it's all political. Hi, I'm Audrey Cooper editor in chief of the San Francisco Chronicle and thank you for listening to this podcast. It's an honor to lead the largest and most ambitious newsroom in northern California, which every day is dedicated to bring you the most essential journalism about your community, but we can't do this work without the support of our subscribers. So if you support indepth journalism, please consider lending your financial support. You can do that at SF chronicle dot com slash subscribe for both our digital and print editions or best of all, let's try both again that's SF chronicle dot com slash subscribe. All right. Welcome everyone. We have the California Democratic party convention is over. We are here we are here with all the whole political team is together, almost the whole political team is here and Alexei Cosa from Sacramento bureau is here, Salo have. Hi there. This is my first time. I'm excited that you're the rookie. Yes. Yes. There's a hazing ritual. We'll skip. The big man John wilder methods is here. Good morning, everyone. And in her final hours in San Francisco until she flies back, chronicle DC correspondent talk open. All right. Can we agree that the breakout star or the convention, or maybe we don't have to agree was Elizabeth Warren tall? You were there, sixty five hundred people at a rally in Oakland, Kamla, Harris's hometown. Yeah. I think I don't know if I would put it as the breakout star because I'm not sure I'm not sure who is surprised, whether it was was the people at the convention are was, whether it was the press. But I mean, certainly one thing she demonstrated this weekend, is that she has a very strong level of support here in California. So, you know, in Oakland, she drew thousands of people we started an hour late because the line wrapped all the way around the block I shouldn't say the block several blocks around the lane college campus. The crowd really responded to her. Well, I didn't think she was quite as. Quite as in the in the move on that. I thought she wasn't in this sort of top tier of the most engaging of the audience in the room, but certainly people afterwards still really liked her. I talked to many voters who, who consider high on the list, even if they like some of the other candidates. So overall, I mean she really demonstrated at the very least that she already had a lot of fans here, and perhaps should should consider making some more trips because this was her first one is a presidential candidate. I would just add that on Saturday when all but a few of the presidential candidates who were visiting spoke to the convention? She got by far, the biggest response in the room, it was, honestly electric in there people were going crazy. And when I spoke to a couple of delegates later, in the evening, they noted that, and there was even a few who said that, while they'd already liked her, she'd sort of Nejd up to their top pick for now, even though they remained undecided. She has we're talking to folks consultants democratic strategist, and they're saying she has let's face it. She has a very crisp message arguably the Crispus, if that's a word of any of the candidates, and they have an enemy billionaires and corporations, and there's the I got a plan for that one problem, she's gonna face is simply Bernie, they are going to split a lot of that. Progressive vote until one or the other of them either drops out or says or says something different. I mean, again, it was Bernie, and Elizabeth Warren where the two two of the main people today at the convention lot of supporters for both of them. But they're the same people and, you know, that's going to be a problem down the line. But I actually phrase it that Bernie has a problem in its Warren, not the other way around. And, and, you know, I think you see it in the polling that she's, she's ascendant in that fight. And there are a lot of folks who have been turned off from Bernie. In one way or another over time. And, you know, I mean, there's some that are gonna stick with Bernie to your point that, you know, it's, it's, it's probably a zero sum constituency at some point, but I also have gathered that when I when I hear voters include Warren's name and a list of candidates. It's not always a list that includes Bernie Sanders, and, you know, I think that she has demonstrated a bit of a broader appeal that he has. So, yeah, I would phrase it as Bernie's problem. Not warns from and the other message. We got from the convention, this weekend, taking off from that is California is wide open. Oh, yeah. For sure I even wider open than I thought it was. I mean, because now we have we have Bernie, we have Kamla we have Elizabeth Warren? And who knows what noise Beto can make judge everybody. Everybody seemed to have a top for top five and there are people, I talked to who you know, hearing things from Inslee, and just other random people started bringing up there. Seems to so with those messages getting out in front of people, I think a lot of these voters are really receptive to, to almost any candidate. They're excited that there's so many people who have a message that they like the good news for them, all, though, is that there's plenty of delegates go around in California, only about eighty of the delegates percentage of them are elected statewide every other delegate to the convention is elected in the fifty three congressional districts where anybody who gets at least fifteen percent of the vote, and that district gets at least one delegate. So whatever happens on after the primary election, you're going to see that California's delegation split up widely. And, and one thing I found really interesting talking to voters. I mean I picked, I got the same thing as Lexi. I mean, a lot of people have a top three, you know, or you know, but several of them left these events. I mean, this is one of the first opportunity, we've had to see lots of candidates back back in the same context under the same ground rules with sort of their opportunity to for voters to kind of shop in a way that they haven't been able to do a lot of voters who left these events less decided than when they went in and you know, but at the same time they were so energized by it. You know, I think the, the, the notion is sort of like pickle pickle horse pick Elaine pick a candidate. And in fact, I talked to some of the voters after move on her saying the they're like, I'm so optimistic because I know that even if my candidate doesn't win, I'm probably going to have a really good choice at the end of it. And I think that's a real change from twenty sixteen where it felt very us versus them, regardless of which candidate you were talking. About. Yes. So that was certainly the case in California where the where the Bernie versus Hillary Fisher was was very stark. Let's talk about California's native daughter, Senator, Kamala, Harris, what I gotta say. It was her speech to the convention left me a little. I don't wanna say cold. It was fine. But it was like it was really heavy on anti-trump. I know that, you know, everybody in the room knows her, but still, I would have I don't know what I was looking for, for her from her. But I, I don't know quite what it was. But I, I was surprised that she went heavy anti-trump, everybody in the rooms anti Trump. So what do you gain by that? I am I am I out there. What do you guys think I will save played really well in the room in terms of reaction. She probably got the second or third best sort of response that I saw, and people really loved, when she talked about impeachment and talked about getting someone new in that office. So it may have been a hometown advantage, but providing that message is is something that people wanna hear right now. And certainly, even if she didn't explode with the star making moment, she held her ground at the convention. She had ten. Of supporters out there. They were around. They were waving signs making noise making their presence felt and you could see that she was still really strong for new. I think that there would have been there a few outcomes that would have been good for her. Right. Obviously one would have been being the only candidate here that anyone cared about. And that's probably was never going to be possible for her. So, you know, short of that the, the next best thing is be very respectable. And I think that, that is where she ended up in the caucus room that I saw her speak end. She was very popular and that was the women's caucus. She was very popular in that room at move on. We had the episode with the protester that sort of threw everyone off for a little bit. But she regained her footing. She did well in that room. So, you know, I think that she did which an an to Alexis point, I mean, being able to demonstrate that you don't just, you know, have name recognition California, but you can. Turn people out to wave signs and shout, your name is an important thing to do. So, you know, I think that overall short of having demonstrated the California locked up, which we all agreed was not going to happen. She did what she needed to do to show that, she still quite competitive. One of the points she showed that she belonged there. You know, here are fourteen people that say they want to be president. She stood right up there and fit in and you know, that's one thing that any newcomer on the political scene national political scene has to do. They have to, you know, people have to look at them and say that person could be president. And I think that, that she's something she's managed to do. Let's talk a little bit Alexi. You start talking a little bit about the mayor Pete. He's made several trips out here, he is the favourite of the white coastal elites liberals in California. But he know I talked to on the phone yesterday for a couple of minutes. He said he acknowledged. He's polling one percent with let knows you can't do that. In California, go anywhere. He's going to Fresno on Monday trying to trying to branch out there. Would we learn if anything new about mayor Pete, this weekend, I was actually really surprised by strategy here in San Francisco, because he didn't bother to show up to a single caucus that I saw? LGBT nodding last night, I camped out at the LGBT caucus wondering if he might at least make an appearance there. And Amy kluber shark came Bernie Sanders came, and he was nowhere to be found. So it was odd to me that he would net lease try and start making some inroads, there, the way other candidates have to get out in front of these people. They'll be back in November probably trying to win some, you know, the endorsement and things like that. So you got to start seating that now. So maybe he sort of giving up on California. I'm not sure that said, people did really like his speech from talking to them after, I think a lot of folks who are looking for message rather than policy, so sort of the opposite of what they're getting from Warren really connected with him, they still feel inspired by what he's saying. There were several people who just loved hearing him. Get up there and talk about his husband and how meaningful that was to them after the long fight. You know, get gay marriage legalized. So, yeah, I saw a lot of I saw a lot of really wrapped a particularly gay men, but white gay man in that in that convention hall on on Saturday. And fresh off his debate debut of his HBO documentary. Beto Rourke was there to what did we learn from Beto this weekend? We he we saw him speak, a couple of different times, half, if not more in Spanish, what did we, what do we learn from bentos, Beto mania, a thing in California yet? Is there potential for that? What do we know in terms of the move on audience? You know, I thought he was in the bottom tier in terms of, again the engagement of the audience in the room, which was somewhat underwhelming. I mean I got a lot of tweets from people being like you didn't even mention him in his story, and he was the best. So I mean, he still has a constituency out there for sure. But and his, you know, he he focused, his remarks on immigration in move on, which was the, the premise was, you have to pick one big idea. But I mean as a as a former immigration reporter, the there wasn't much meat on the bones, there was sort of broad strokes. We should treat immigrants. Well was was the focus whereas some other candidates really drilled down into something much more specific. So. You know, and he just keeps having this problem where he's misjudged. The roll out of the campaign and didn't see the white male privilege criticism coming, which I think is fair, but has seemed to become an anchor around his neck in a way that plenty of other white milk candidates in this race haven't seemed to struggle with as much in that it's not really defining their candidacy and you saw it here too. I mean, that was one of the questions he got onstage move on. It's, it's a question that he's getting now literally every time he does any press, or any public appearance and he has not seemed to be able to free himself of that botched rollout. The one thing he does have though these spoke about immigration. He has a ton of credibility on that. He was a congressman from El Paso. He grew up grew up on the border. He grew up talking to immigrants, legal and illegal working and playing ball beside him and such like that. You look at people like Bernie, you look at people like klobuchar there in areas, they're, they're making comments about immigration. And really, it's not something that they've lived with it's, you know, kind of intellectual idea of, here's what we gotta do rather than somebody on the ground. The problem is, though, is he can't be a one trick pony. Got if he's gonna move up in the polls, he has to be talking about other stuff, and connecting with people in other issues. Even you know, even on the issue of his credibility. I mean you couldn't see me shaking my head. But yes, he grew up on the border. There's no doubt that El Paso is a community that lives, many of the issues that are central to the. Question of immigration, but he was in congress and he didn't do much on it. And, you know, I mean you certainly you can say, well, you know, Republicans control the house when he was there, and there wasn't much to do, but I covered for years, plenty of Democrats who were making as much noise as they could at any turn, and beta one is wasn't one of them until really, he started looking ahead to a potential presidential campaign. And, you know, I think I talked to one voter who said that what she doesn't like about Bernie's that he has no track record to stand on that he's been in politics for so long. And, you know, he has great ideas, but he can't demonstrate really any time that he's been able to turn those ideas into action. I think that's going to be something. Beta also gets a lot of question on if he tries to run on immigration because he did have a chance in congress to do more to elevate the issue when he represented the border in congress and quick quick program programming note Beto. We did a. Podcast with them. And we ask him that very question. And he said, you know, he kind of blames it on. Well, you know, I was in the minority and, you know, then the minority in the house when the Republicans held the house, that's essentially his answer. Good. Oh, I see. Well, in terms of the reaction, I saw it was it was pretty split because his, his speech overall to the full convention fell surprisingly flat, but he did get a lot of selfie requests. So there's kind of that. So there was kind of that celebrity factor, but not scientific as polling. Yeah. But not. But not that enthusiasm. So when he came into the Latino caucus on, on Friday night, for example, the he got a big reaction, but Bernie Sanders got an even bigger reaction. Let's move on to what I believe history will remember as the Hickenlooper moment. This is when once he take this much tried to replicate it will not be remembered as the John Delaney moment, because no one will remember John Delaney. So big man, why don't you walk us through what exactly the Hickenlooper moment was John Hickenlooper, the governor of Arizona governor governor of Colorado? So John Hickenlooper, former governor Colorado, and he is certainly more of a centrist than a lot of these other guys. And you know, it's not the this was not his crowd, and he came right? Out and started talking about told them. Hey socialism, isn't gonna win the election. And the response was. And then, and if we go that way, Donald Trump is going to get reelected, boom. And by the way, I'm not for Medicare Medicare for all boom. So, yeah, he went right out there, and essentially said that and then today, former congressman John Delaney said about the same sort of stuff and got the same sort of reaction. Boo. Now, if anybody wants to know why Joe Biden wasn't at the convention this weekend. All you have to do is listen to the response to Hickenlooper in Delaney as one democratic consultant told me if he comes here and gets a tepid response or booze. That's the whole story nationally, you know, Biden gets booed by California, Democrats. He doesn't need that. And, you know, the, the people at the at the convention are the activist end and right now it's a very progressive active aside for just talking about delegates had neighbors saying, you know, we wanted to see Joe by out here. We get the politics of it doesn't make sense for him to be here because he's so far ahead in the polls. But we want to see him. We want, you know, all we know him as the Barack Obama's sidekick, we, we want to see him as an individual side by side with all these other candidates. Did you hear did you guys hear some of the other candidates took shots at him? I mean, Bernie went right there. And said, you know candidates who are here, and others who for some reason, you know, decided not to be an, you know, the theory that like he would have flopped. I mean Amy klobuchar who let's face it. I didn't talk to anyone coming out of this weekend. I mean I talked to some who were like she impressed me, but, you know, she's still not my favorite. This is not her audience, but she came and she was game. And she spoke to everyone of the caucuses, and she got good reactions. And she, you know, did the work, and she has the same message as Biden over all of, you know, I can win in the mid west. I mean, she literally says, I can win in the mid west, I can win over red districts and she did not get booed right Hickenlooper leaned into it. And so, you know, I got the sense from a lot of folks that Biden really missed an opportunity. I mean, keep in mind, this is not a uniform state there, the progressives. But he he's still leading in the polls in this state. Do we think that Hickenlooper did this intentionally to say? I went to California look what I said to these do these super liberals out there. But I remember my mid west love me, so I actually went up to him after the speech and asked him that because he kind of started smiling when he got booed when I wondered if that was his whole goal and coming here to have a Dianne Feinstein moment where she got booed at the nineteen ninety California Democratic convention for supporting the death penalty. And then she uses it in a TV ad in her gubernatorial run that fall. And he said he he's assured me. He did not come intending to get booed. But he expected it might happen. And I thought, what was interesting was he wasn't trying to completely brush, off those progressive voters? He, he said he still considers himself a pragmatic progressive. So he's trying to sort of straddle this line between being a moderate and being a progressive and. You know, he keeps touting these things he did as Denver mayor or Colorado governor that he considers progressive. So he's looking for somehow, you know, to have that moderate credibility, and also say the right things to win over those activists. And he did not rule out using the booze in TV. Call Bs on Hickenlooper. I think I think it was, you know, an orchestrated moment. Let's just say that big man, you want to add something or no? Just the, the bottom line is Biden was here because he didn't have to be here, I would expect it in the next week or two, you'll see him show up here. Pick his audience and say, look people love me here, and whether they do or not there was also the final bit of business at the convention was the election of a new chair Alexi you were there for all the drama. What did we learn from the? The election of the new chair. Well, I think we probably learned that when the establishment wing of the California, Democratic party wants to reassert control, they will reassert control. Everybody had been expecting this would be a close fight between rusty Hicks. The president of the Los Angeles labor federation, and Kimberly elyssa progressive activists who ran before an almost one in two thousand seventeen and instead the results came in last night, and he Hicks crushed her. He got fifty seven percent of the vote. And, you know, that was with this really intensive organization by unions, and buy up political leaders in the party nearly all of the elected officials in, in the state legislature. And even some congress members endorsed rusty Hicks and to try and push him over the edge. And, and so they were looking for sort of a stabilizing force after what's ban a really. You know, crazy six months or so with the with the past chair Bouwman resigning amid sexual misconduct allegations, and they found their man and rusty Hicks. And they made sure that he would win a signal. I mean if you're talking about, I mean, there are only so many extrapolations you can make given that this was a very defined population of delegates who are allowed to vote. But it certainly shows that organization behind the scenes matters, a great deal if you were judging simply based on reception Kimberly LS seemed very strong. There was in so blows away the room. You know, the, the, the notion that you can judge the strength of a candidate bit by the reaction. They get I think the if you're going to draw a lesson from that race, it's that Hicks must have had a better operation in terms of organizing reaching delegates locking in those votes, because we all expected to run off and it wasn't even close on the first race. What it also shows just how strong labor is in the Democratic Party. I mean he's a president of the Los Angeles County federation of labor that represents about eight hundred thousand union workers down there and a lot of unions got behind him. And that's a lot of organization. The other thing is I was talking to some people, and they said, a lot of the delegates are just tired of drama. They don't want that anymore. They want somebody that's going to come in and do the work of the party and hang onto their seats. The congressional seats in two thousand twenty and just organized like that. And not get muddled up in bound up by all sorts of other stuff. Is this say anything about the power of the Bernie Kratz in the California Democratic party? We were. Estimates that I are go with is about forty percent of the of the delegates are Bernie friendly for lack of a better word can really let's got about thirty seven percent of the vote. Is that is this show? What a c is there a ceiling on Bernie's power within the party? I don't know what I think it shows more than anything else though, is that when they took over the party after the two thousand sixteen election, a lot of those people had never been involved in the party organization before. So we're talking a bunch of rookies here, the people that were back in Hicks are not rookies and whereas, they might not have all the all the people yelling and shouting and everything else like that, as tall said, you know, they have organization, and that's what it really showed that also, though is going to be a challenge for Hicks, moving forward, speaking with Alice supporters last night, a lot of them really want to see a change in the party, not just in, you know, moving on. From scandal. But also, they feel like the politicians who are elected or not listening to the platform that they're putting forward. They feel like they are tired of seeing white men, leading the party. And they would like to see more people of color, and particularly women of color, who can, you know, be that Representative of this increasingly diverse electorate in California, and increasingly diverse, you know, Democratic Party membership? And so Hicks is going to have the challenge of reaching out and unifying this party. That's now been divided twice in two years in these elections. And, you know, reach out to these pretty new activists and say, it's okay, please continue to be a part of a part of this party. Please continue to be enthusiastic and go out and knock on doors and help us get these candidates, elected, two things one. I mean, Bernie, Bernie, has a lot of overlap with labor, so I don't know that it's, you know the cleanest. Cut distinction. That that Ellis was a vote for the Bernie Sanders world. And, and Hicks wasn't a, it's a little bit more complicated that and the other thing that just in terms of what sort of lessons you can drive me. It's very different type of thing to vote for right? I mean, the, the McCann the question of what you want in charge of the apparatus is very different than the question of, who you want as the face of the party, and I think Ellis sort of ran more of a face of the party campaign. Whereas, you know Hicks is going to be more of, like, let's raise some money, let's build ground games that when our candidate, you know, kind of emerges, we can we can put force behind them anything those are very different questions. And it seems like the delegates might have been asking themselves that, you know, there was actually sort of a funny moment on the convention floor Sunday morning, but it really highlighted that, that difference where so jewel. The e cigarette company has been sponsoring. This election, this convention, and people are really unhappy about that their ad flashed up on the screen, and this activist got up and, and while, you know, the acting chair was up there and asked, you know, can we please stop taking money from jewel. They're preying on children and, and chair. Alex Cardo Rooker basically said, you know, are you going to raise the money to make up for that hundreds of thousands of dollars? We would lose and activists was like y'all bake ten thousand Hala breads and sell them every Friday afternoon to do it. But, like there's this real tension there between, like what is it takes to run a party and, like we wanna stand on our principles, and that was just like laid bare their it's purity versus pragmatism, and there's no real answer. I mean, for years, for example, jokin remember this, you'd go to a Democratic Party convention and all the signs up, there would be from the Indian tribes that head casinos. Around there. Right. Essentially gambling money supporting the party. And, you know, you gotta you gotta raise the money somewhere and unless somebody can show him where it's. Kicking people out and kicking groups out is going to be a costly? All right, guys. Thanks so much for joining us. We, you know, we could talk about this for hours. But tull's gotta get to be. It's great to be here. Thank you all Alexi. Big man tall. Thank you so much for being. I'd like to thank tall copen, and John wilder and Alexei Costa for being here today. I'd like to thank all of you for listening, and I'd like to thank libbey Coleman for producing today's podcast. Remember, whether you're in California, or not, it's all political. It's all political as part of the San Francisco, Chronicle podcast network, Audrey Cooper is our editor in chief, our music, our theme music that we have is cattle called that's written by Randy Clark, and performed by Randy Clark and close off if you'd like this show. 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When 14 Presidential Candidates Invaded San Francisco
"I'm Heather Knight, host of San Francisco city insider, you'll hear bigwigs in one of the world's most fascinating cities, talk about the most important issues including, where they get their favorite burrito that San Francisco city insider. Welcome to. It's all political. The San Francisco Chronicle's political podcast. I'm Joe garafolo chronicles senior political writer and today, we're talking about the California Democratic political convention. We have fourteen fourteen presidential candidates coming to San Francisco this weekend for the convention, and it's going to be chaos. And so we break down the chaos with in-person for a change the chronicles Washington correspondent talk open. The big man makes a special appearance chronicle veteran political writer, John wilder math, and we're all here, the whole mish book here. Breaking it down next talking presidential candidates in California on. It's all political. Hi, it's header night columnist for the San Francisco, Chronicle and host of the podcast. San Francisco city insider, I convinced the city's movers and shakers to tell me what's going right with San Francisco. And what's going very wrong, people like mayor London breed and billionaire Mark benef- have talked about homelessness, filthy streets, car break ins, and some real tricky subjects like where they go for the city's best burrito. Get the inside scoop and some laughs on San Francisco city insider. Welcome. We have to Amelia, the Mishra Boca here. The whole chronicle political or much of the chronicle political team here in per in person. Yes. Absolutely. That was the voice of the big man. John Waterman talk open in just today from Washington DC, the chronicles, chronicles, Washington correspondent, and you were here for the greatest event. That's happening this week. The California Democratic party convention. We have fourteen presidential candidates here, but we just got word of the fifteenth because Marianne Williamson will be at the convention, but will not be speaking of fourteen candidates presidential candidates here in San Francisco. And we're gonna talk about what's the significance of that. Why first of all, why are they all coming here? Is it? This is supposed to be common the Harris's state, right? She she's got all the endorsements. She's raised the most money here. Why, why are all these folks here in hasn't comma, Harris wasn't this considered to be her state to be locked up? Maybe your state. I mean, certainly she's going to get an awful lot of the delegates, a California, but there's plenty to go around. We California has almost twice as many delegates to the democratic convention as any other state, and the way it's designed is nothing even resembling winner. Take all it's. Winner, take some, the majority of the delegates are assigned by who wins each of the individual congressional districts, and even then if somebody just gets fifteen percent in any district, they are guaranteed at least one delegate, so Fifty-three congressional districts, some statewide stuff. There's plenty for everybody. Get a piece of the action and, you know, I mean comma hairs has some advantages here, obviously, she's run statewide in California. So she knows sort of the N one, and she knows the mechanics of the state, and she knows you know, she's got a little bit of a sort of home field advantage at the convention, because she knows so many of the locals and the local politicians, but it's not like California has been unknown to democratic politicians nationally. You know it's not some hidden gem off the map, right? I mean it's been the piggy Bank of the Democratic Party for years. It's a bastion of democratic politics in the US. So you know when you talk about some of the folks that are in the race with comma Harris Bernie Sanders Joe bye. They are not afraid of her edge in the state and, you know, I think it remains to be seen how much they should be. But you definitely see other candidates feeling very comfortable going straight to her turf and say, no, we're going to compete here as well as you are. Huge transfer visibility for a lot of the people at the bottom end there. I mean, there's three hundred and fifty members of the media more than that have already signed up to be at the convention. I saw some of my flame here today. They're all going to be here in for a someone that's way down the end in the one percent range or anything like that. This is, you know, an absolute gold mine of chances, even if you don't get the delegates people get to see and that's really important to Harris for second. What are her? What is her campaign want to accomplish? What would've how do they view of California because, you know, obviously, South Carolina is a very important state to them. How are they? What are they thinking about coming into this convention? Well, they're going to have to come into California with some momentum to be viable. I mean, I don't think that you, you know, so in two thousand sixteen I was covering this covering the presidential race nationally, and I remember, you know, Marco Rubio had a similar theory of the case, right? He was going to be competitive in the early states, and then he was going to go to his home state of Florida and sort of bring. It home with his home field advantage, and that Florida ended up being his swansong where he sort of said goodbye to everyone and dropped other race shortly after. So you can't go into, you know, so just take a step back. California is going to be the beginning of March on what's known as Super Tuesday, sort of the first big voting day after the four early primary states, which are Iowa New Hampshire Nevada and South Carolina. So, comma, Harris is going to have to be strong in some of those early states win ripping third or fourth place in Iowa. I leased she's making a play for Iowa. She's been there several times she's making slightly less of a push in New Hampshire, although campaigns going to be a tough one back on the notion that she's writing it off South Carolina and Nevada are probably her two biggest plays in those early states because of the high Hispanic and high African American populations. They are, so she's going to have to put some wins or close seconds on the board coming into California, if she can do that. And if she. Can deploy an effective strategy here to pick up as John points out delegates in all these congressional districts that's where having run a statewide campaign in California before I think, really gives her a bit of an edge understanding, okay? What are some of the different districts complexions where can I try to put up big numbers? We're gonna try to eat away a surprise delegate. And I think what you're gonna see at the convention. Well, what you're not going to see at the convention, what we're all going to be trying to sniff out at the convention is some of this sort of work behind the scenes to reach out to maybe the politicians that represent some of those lesser known districts to really do some of that ground game type work figure out where your grassroots basis are going to be work with those delegates in the in the rooms remember to with the, the front loaded primaries like this one thing you have to do is just hang in. Yeah. It's like you know, the NCAA tournament win and move on. No matter how you do it. But if you can keep enough strength keep showing enough strain. Everybody's gonna start dropping off at the other end and sooner or later, there's going to be only a few people standing. And that's when it gets really I was talking to a couple of consultants today. They predict you know of the fourteen here, today, maybe half will be here, more than likely for five because we were gonna start losing people, the, you know, the 2016 Republican race six folks, dropped out before I awoke, because we're going to lose people when they was soon as these debates start happening. People start tanking the money dries up the first Republican debate in twenty fifteen was the first week of August. I believe the first dropout was September. I think it was Perry. Yeah. I was Rick Perry, and then Scott Walker not long after that. And those, those were not. Names. Yeah. So, you know, I mean, the attrition will happen very quickly. They just announced stricter rules for making the third debate, which I believe is going to be in August. It goes June September so June July September so that third debate. It's going to be hard to make it if you're not in the top tier of candidates by then it's hard to justify the theory of your campaign. If you start not making the debate stage to, you know, everybody saying, oh, how terrible it is, this is all the down the real down down under candidates, how terrible it is. But all they're asking. It's double what it is to get in the first two to Bates. But they're saying you gotta show two percent at four national or state. Polls, and then you have to have instead of the sixty five thousand individual owners need one hundred and thirty thousand well, if come September you're not at two percent, and you haven't managed to find enough donors to send you five dollar Bill. What are you doing in the race anyway, you'll already have had two chances on the national debate stage, you know, to make your name, you know, the candidate that's really struggling with these rules. I think surprising a lot of people as kissing gillibrand, his a Senator from New York. I mean she has not been able to hit that she's been able to hit the polling threshold, but is not been able to get just the sixty five thousand donors Tura campaign that may be necessary to qualify for the first debate. And depending on how many candidates qualified by the lowest bar, and you know, Andrew Yang Marianne Williamson. I mean they're qualifying by donor threshold and cures to Jill. O'brien who's a sitting Senator isn't, and that I think, is raising a lot of alarm bells in, in, in her world. And you know, she's the type of politician to no, no one to hold them in one two fold him. She's floating or campaign with the Senate money right now. She transferred several million dollars over to it to just to keep her to keep the lights on that only works for so long. Yeah. And then people notice that she'll be here this weekend. And she will be okay, so tell you're going to be Elizabeth Warren of all these first of all of the fourteen people here. Plus Marianne Williamson, only two by my count are holding public events. Correct. I believe gillibrand is planning to hold one but it has not been noticed yet. Tom, senator. So Bernie Sanders holding a rally Saturday in San Jose, Elizabeth Warren, holding a town hall Friday in Oakland, I believe this is her first big public event in the bay area. What are you, what are you going to be looking for there? I'm really interested to see how she interacts with voters that seems to be one of her big strengths. She she can be very compelling in person, you know she's, she's pretty wonky on paper. But when you see her actually sort of doing her walkie explainer on stage. It's actually fairly engaging. And you know, I'm I'm really intrigued by Warren right now. If you're asking me, I mean, I'm not I'm not picking any finishers at this point. I think that's silly. I'm not ready for a top-five yet. I'm looking at who makes it through the summer as we were just discussing and then we'll start actually sort of weighing the merits of each but, but something really interesting is happening with the war in campaign where if you look at. Pulling she sort of the tortoise in this race. She started sort of unexpectedly slowly, but without any sort of major intervening event. She has been very steadily gaining a little bit in the polls, which at this point in the race to be demonstrating a growth without some sort of, you know, game changing town hall, or major debate performance signals to me that she's got something happening at the ground level. That's really resonating with people. So I'm really interested to see her on Friday night in Oakland. And the way she connects with voters and weather. She's winning people over sort of the old fashioned way by interacting with them. You know, one on one or one on townhall, she's the my story to like a nice personal story about being a young mother and how she got into politics how she got into teaching and it's, it's an that part of the story, we don't often hear from her. And so I think that's also compelling. Also the Wong. The food. I've got a plan for this. Yep. And everything else. And she says, you know, you ask your said, well, here's what I do. And at least at this point, that's very refreshing, because a lot of the other candidates have grandiose thoughts, but, you know, okay, how you going to go about doing that. And we'll get to that later in the camp. Well, speaking of grandiose thoughts, they will have a venue to asleep, several of them will to offer their grandiose thoughts on Saturday at the Warfield theater misses a Guinea private event. Several of the candidates, and let me list to be doing this will be. The big name, big name, Warren and heroin, Booker Warren Harris Booker Warren, Harris, Beto Rourke, gillibrand Harris Castro klobuchar and Bernie Sanders. We'll have twenty minutes to offer their one big idea about what would change what could change the world. They will. And then they'll be quizzed by move on leaders and some move on members will be in the audience. There's audience small audience in the Warfield, which was pretty big theater. There's only three hundred people there. And so we'll get to see some some some flushing out of store idea of a. It's been a long day flushing out of a of a campaign idea. What are we looking for their do, we look to see out of that? I think that, you know, one, a lot of the stuff is not going to be a surprise. I mean it's going to be stuff that they've talked about awhile since, especially for, like, Bernie Sanders, and Elizabeth, Warren. They've had things that they've brought out. But twenty minutes is a long time to talk about one thing for any politician, and it means probably somewhere along the line, you're going to have to do more than say here, wouldn't this be a wonderful thing to do? You're going to have to get in, and here's how go about getting it done. And that's going to be the interesting part, and it's the audience, also the move on audience, of course, the backbone of liberal, liberal wing of the democratic party's will that there is the pressures on there. The big question is always, what is the theory of your case? Right. And there are some candidates where, you know, the statement of their candidacy has is quite obvious. I mean. Bernie Sanders from the start, you know, sort of what he stands for Elizabeth Warren, as well, not a dissimilar lane, but sort of this, you stick up for the consumer, take it to, you know, corporate America kind of, you know, fight their candidates who I will be watching to see if they can refine their message. And comma, Harris is a is a big part of that. There's a lot of people who say, what exactly is commonly Harris's campaign about, and this will be an opportunity for candidates to not spend twenty minutes sort of finding some convenient theme that then allows them to talk about the, you know, five or six policy positions. They've already put out but actually be able to sort of say this is an opportunity to say this is the theory of my candidacy, and we'll see which candidates kind of embrace that, and which kind of try to find a way out of it and continue to be all things to all people. Alluded to there are several candidates that will be here this weekend. We could like to call one percenters as in one percent of the poll, which one of those candidates, should we be looking at and, and seeing, you know, if they do have a pulse, maybe they've just been an overlooked stock. Maybe they are. Maybe they're just you know deserved to be at one percent. Anybody out there that you think is like, well, I want to hear more about them. Maybe I'm just I'm just not getting it. I don't know myself. I would think John Hickenlooper of the former governor of Colorado, he's, you saw the other day we always here on the other day, these certainly more to the center end of the democratic candidates. But what he can say, is that, you know, he was a, a geologist originally. And then he opened the first brew pub in the Rockies in Denver. And from there, he just became mayor of Denver to terms there and became governor of Colorado after that on a record of getting stuff done. And I think that somewhere along the line, you're the people in their going to be voting. You're going to be looking for someone who can say, hey, I've been there. I've done this look at my record, you know, rather than look at a Bernie Sanders, perhaps, who can say, look at all the things I've supported. And when they ask okay, how much of this have you ever gotten past, you know, maybe they don't have an answer for that. So that's a possibility. My fear on behalf of Hickenlooper. Is that this room that he's going into the, the, the delegates of the California? Democratic Party are a left of the electorate in California. It's a very liberal room. I you know, he is known as Franken Looper for his support a fracking, this crowd hates frac game member. He was an oil geology, and his off for the oil and gas company. So he might he might get an eight doesn't like Medicare for all, and that's another favorite here. So there's a definite possibility for shenanigans this weekend in the sense that. We don't know who which activist groups or band of supporters are going to perhaps heckle or, you know, I mean, I have no reason to expect that it won't be a respectful environment. But. First one that was next. What am I next? The other question this is not this is not the first debate. It's the biggest cattle call we've had to date. So this is the, the most candidates, we've sort of seen appearing at the same event to roughly the same crowds back toback, but they're not interacting with each other. There's not going to be real opportunity for them to sort of take any hits. What the, the unknown variable is, is the crowd, and how they're going to be received. And how if there's going to be, you know, a cohort of supporters for someone cough, Bernie cough that, you know, it causes trouble. Or is it cues of causing trouble? So, you know that I think is really the variable and ease their candidate that handles that in a really impressive way. Joe, there's a reason. Joe Biden, isn't here. Yes. Yes. He's not one of the fourteen. Why is that big man? Well couple of reasons. One because he doesn't have to be here. I mean, all every poll in their early primary polls chose him. Well ahead he's got. Just about one hundred percent name ID, and his people are saying, well, we'll be California lots of times, we're going to be in Ohio, at a gay rights dinner on Saturday. Instead, but remember, the same convention in two thousand eighteen refuse to endorse Dianne Feinstein for a fifth term in the Senate. One of the most powerful women Washington, they said, forget, it, you're not the sort of person, we want their who has endorsed, Joe Biden, who has enjoyed it doors, Joe Biden. So Joe Biden's people say, do we really want a headline that says, Biden, booed by California, Democrats, it might not happen, but it could happen. There's just no percentage in taking that chance. One of the always the more Arakis and newsworthy, events, tell you will be there at the women's caucus and headed by Louis caucus the at the convention headed by Christine Pelosi daughter of the speaker, Nancy Pelosi the. Focus this year is squarely on abortion rights version, top of the news. The many Democrats worried that it might be endangered in this country. What you what, are you looking for there, and they're all maybe some protests to there? Yes, there was a, a cryptic tweet from Christine, Pelosi this week about the possibility for said shenanigans, you know, some of the candidates will be stopping by. It's a joint event with Planned Parenthood which is part of why it's so focused on abortion rights. It's not a long meeting. It's a it's a couple hours. So it's not like you know all the candidates can come through. Comma, Harris is expected to speak. I'm not sure if Kissinger brand is going to be there, but she is actually trying to seize on the abortion rights debate, resurgence and hope to sort of give her campaign a boost off of that. She is, you know, I mean it's not a new issue for her. But as we mentioned she's been really struggling. And so when you have many of these ruby red states in the south passing abortion ban. She's been really actively trying to move on that calmly Harris this week, put out a reproductive rights plan that she wants to basically institute, a requirement that if the if states of the spotty track record want to do anything that seems to restrict abortion rights, they would have to get pre as opposed to having from Justice from the Justice department is opposed to having them pass something. And then having the courts come in sort of after the fact, so it's certainly a hot issue for Democrats right now. I think especially the women candidates yet as an opportunity to really make a statement. And it's a powerful powerful caucus room in California. Democratic politics, not the only one but certainly one. So that's what I what you know, we were talking about earlier with what are the candidates hoping to accomplish? I mean that's a constituency. You're gonna want on your side. So it'll be very interesting to see who works the room and how. How when that group gathers a job, I believe the only candidate to formally oppose said she will promise litmus test. She would not appoint any judges that are not pro-choice judges. Okay. Now, ordinarily one of these things, and, and the big man, I've covered many of these California Democratic party conventions. The election of the state party chair would be the dominant news and especially the and there will be a new party chair selected elected Nazi elected on this weekend. And this one is like no this, this is going to be a great one because you have one candidate who said she's being debt. Shamed butter personal finance problems, and other as at problems with their law license, being suspended, another was accused of not reporting allegations about sexual harassment about the outgoing chair earlier this is a soap opera big man. What, what is going to be? Going on there again. It's this is inside baseball at its finest for the most part. I mean it's still a powerful position powerful position, but for anybody that's not a a major player in democratic politics. They don't really care who the chair is. But the chairs the person that decides where the money goes. They collect millions of dollars. And right now, it's pretty much the chair hit him or herself that decides who they support, and who they won't support along with the convention endorsing people, of course. But what's going to happen? Well, Kimberly Ellis lost the election in two thousand seventeen by about sixty three votes. And, you know, she can certainly sit up and say, I told you so now that the guy who beat her is out for out for essentially sexual harassment, Eric Baume outgoing and everything else like that. But she didn't make many friends in the party last time because she lost the election. And she refused to concede, it was like, what was it three or four months before everything got down, and everything was taken care of? And they finally said, okay, you actually did lose. You're looking right now at one of the main chat, her main challengers is a guy from L A. He's the head of the Los Angeles County federation of labor rusty Hicks. And if you wanted to call a. The establishment choice. I think you could probably point to him. He's got a lot of backing from legislators and everything. And, you know, he's from LA, the he represents members's federation, or about eight hundred thousand union workers down there. So, you know, it'll be an interesting fight. And I mean, if, if no one bakes it on the first ballot, and we go into Sunday, we, you know, there's, there's a lot of question of whether Bernie Sanders speaking slot on Sunday, we'll have an impact then on who shows up in in, you know what the mood is like for the second for the rounds of voting. And, you know, there's a there's these presidential candidates might also have some vested interest in seeing who ends up in charge of the California Democrat party. So there's a lot of room for you know, you've talked about inside baseball, but I mean could be some pretty intriguing inside baseball. It's an almost guaranteed that there's going to be a runoff unless someone gets fifty percent. Plus one they have a off early. Sunday morning. I mean eight to ten AM in the morning, and that's the way it looks with seven candidates out there at least three fairly substantially backed. It's, it's going to go to a runoff. All right, tall the rookie here and the interns of going to the California, Democratic party convention. You got some advice from a highly placed source someone who's been too many conventions. Not, not John awry, wh tell us about who warned you or advised you about what to expect. So last week, I caught, comma Harrison and the capital actually, we spoke about the raid of the journalists in, in connection with the Adachi leak, and as she was leaving. I was like, all right. I'll see in San Francisco. I'll be at the convention. She was like, oh, have you been to one of these before it was like the national ones, but never interests like, oh, it's a whole thing. So. The whole thing. Well, yeah. And you'll notice not even less than the Republicans. But there's an awful lot of electives that don't show up or show up for a quick handshake. And that's it. Because again, there's no percentage in all you, do you know you make enemies not friends at a lot of these things, and one person who we know will not be. There is California's senior Senator Dianne Feinstein because because she's not running we may never see her again, at one of these since she would probably be just as very happy not to attend. All right. We will we will dive into the into the abyss and we will catch up on after. We'll tell you what we hear help for a couple of months. Hopefully make an all of this will make. One of us has to do the podcast on, on Sunday. All right. Thanks for being here. I'd like to thank tall Copeland for being here today from Washington DC. Great to see her in person. I'd like to thank the big man John wilderness for being here. I'd like to thank libbey Coleman for producing today's podcast and I'd like to thank all of you for listening. And remember, when it's a whole thing it's all. It's all political as part of the San Francisco, Chronicle podcast network, Audrey Cooper is our editor in chief, our music, our theme music that we have is cattle call that's written by Randy Clark, and performed by Randy Clark and close on if you'd like this show. Subscribe rate and review, it on apple podcasts or wherever you listen. For more great journalism like this. Subscribe to the San Francisco Chronicle at San Francisco, Chronicle dot com slash subscribe. You can find me on Twitter at Joe Garre fully. Thanks.
The Democrats Head West
"Finding the right pros for home projects can be tough and spark a lot of questions. Like how do I find a pro who can help. Will they do a good job. Will I get a fair price. That's where homeadvisor can help from leaky. Faucets to major remodels. homeadvisor connects you to the right pro for the job in seconds and even helps you get a fair price. Read Reviews News check. Project Cost Guide and book appointments go to Homeadvisor DOT COM or download. The free homeadvisor APP to start your next project and welcome to the poor November fifteenth. I'm Lauren Design Ski Co author of the Point. I'm here to cut through or the political spin to bring you the news. You need to know. Westward Ho the Democrats are headed West this weekend for big events in key the states on the twenty twenty calendar California and Nevada. I there's California's State Democratic Party Convention. These state party conventions are huge chopper. -tunities for presidential campaigns. These events typically draw only the most engaged and involved democratic activists in the state. Those who also it happened to have established networks and connections. It is a chance for these campaigns to get in front of essentially all the key Democrats they would need to contact and in a state as large and as populous as California is a time effective and relatively cost effective chance to spread your message to would be supporters especially when these voters turn out on Super Tuesday which is when California Votes Look Very Presidential Forum sponsored by the California Democratic Party. Hardy and univision on Saturday drawing eight candidates. There are two notable absences at this forum and at this convention Overall Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren. The absence of the two front runners in this race is not sitting well with California party leaders including chair Rusty Hicks who wrote on Facebook facebook. It's clear you don't think you need us to win the primary. But you just might need us in the general just saying Biden and Warren will be with the rest of the field in Nevada out of the next day. They will join at least ten other candidates at Nevada's first in the West Event and there is another speaker at this Marquee Nevada Democratic critic event. Duval Patrick who announced on Thursday. That he too is running for president like the California event the day before Nevada's first in the West. I summit is another prime opportunity for candidates and their campaigns to reach a critical mass of super involved democratic activists in in an important electoral state. Nevada's caucuses are now less than one hundred days away as Friday. And it's the third contest of the four early voting states states. Nevada comes after New Hampshire and before South Carolina Nevada may not be as delegate rich as California but it could deliver a needed boost to a campaign that may underperform. I all in New Hampshire or on the other hand a win in Nevada. On Top of strong showings in Iowa and New Hampshire can also so send a strong message about momentum which brings us to the point you can tell and events importance by how many presidential candidates it draws and while California India's state convention is significant Nevada and their first in the West summit this weekend which will draw not only Warren and Biden but also develop. Patrick is clearly a higher priority and that is the point for November Fifteenth Twenty Nineteen. Thank you for listening for more updates throughout the week including our Sunday night campaign. Pain addition subscribe to the point newsletter at CNN dot com slash. The point if you like this audio break thing you can get it on Google home or Amazon Echo or subscribe on stitcher richer or apple podcasts. Or your favorite podcast APP. So you never miss an episode Are you interested in learning. 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California Fever-Dreamin with CA Dem Chair Rusty Hicks
"Welcome to episode thirty six of how we went all over the country. People are staying home staying safe and doing extraordinary things. We're giving you the tools that you need to make a difference right now right from your living room or bedroom or kitchen or wherever we're finding the best antidote to anxiety is action. We're six months away from election day. Together we're going to get through this and we're going to win in November. Today we are California fever dream in with the chair of the California Democratic Party Rusty Hicks. We'll talk about the lessons. Learned from the Labor movement how to build coalitions between the Party and grassroots groups. And how we're leveraging digital tools to win in November but we also have an important election next week in California's Twenty Fifth Congressional district where Assembly member Christy. Smith is running to fill the seat vacated by Judy Hill. We're going to tell you how you can help. Hold this house seat. It's a very tight race. I'm Steve Pearson and I'm Mariah Craven and this is how we went dogs roaming around the room and hasn't been to the groomer in two months and so I hear in my nightmares. These clack clack clack. That's kind of like me with my long hair and long nails clapping around the house. I have also been to the groomer and a while dismal and a half to peanut butter and order. Your nails love peanut butter. I would probably let her do it. She gave it to me. So you're saying the Senate we haven't talked about in a little while the Senate and Mitch effing McConnell. And he's showing why we need to be talking about him and the Senate and how important it is that we take back the Senate by bringing the Senate back right now when Pelosi in the House members are are not coming back out of a safety and trying to protect the health of not just the congresspeople and senators but their staffers. That's really so many staffers buddies and all Anna Airline workers because they all have to come from all their different districts across the country. That's right that's right so they putting a lot of people at risk and McConnell is doing it because why I'm going to ask you. What is the number? One thing that motivates Mitch McConnell I would love to say his constituents or the people of this country or but I think it has to do with remaking our judicial system. It's exactly right that's his raison d'etre as they would say in France or exactly now yup throwing throwing it out there because Getting stir-crazy here. But it's what motivates him the Supreme Court the Federal Court and Stacking it with conservative justices. Because he he's all about institutional power and so there's two main reasons why he really brought back the Senate one and he said this out loud. This is not just us. Guessing is to confirm more federal justices news. Hand picked Conservative justices that he wants to ram through. He sees the writing on the wall. He's worried about November and they want to get as many conservative justices confirmed as possible. The other thing is he felt a little bit out of the loop on the negotiating for the last stimulus package. The administration was negotiating directly with the Democrats for that. And I'm so He wants more input into the next emulates bill presumably so he can do what he's always done and that's you know. Protect his his cronies and I'm not looking to Lift up the lives of of ordinary working people but to help out big business so kind of an evil genius I mean he really always has his eyes on what for him as the prize for the rest of us is like deep dark black hole by. Oh my gosh. The focus on the grim. Reaper is You know self-described by the way that's his own nickname for himself. It's intense man. I wish I had a psychology degree so I could do tepe dive into that. Yeah listeners can offer us some insight. Over what what motivates a person to refer to themselves in that way. He's all about just building power and you're right. He's he's like an evil genius and debatably the most dangerous and destructive force in our politics right now so as it's easy to focus on an we should focus on the job the administration is doing around Corona virus. And all of the Asinine and psychotic things that trump does we really need to stay focused on the Senate seats. We have to take back. The Senate is so important. Absolutely absolutely speaking of the administration carry re-use middle the night tweets from Komo's tweeting tweeting. Oh trump was tweeting in the middle of the night. In the middle of the night who's tweeting but donald trump and a whole bunch of people who you know regret what they tweeted. In the morning. I don't have any regrets. So this group of never trump Republicans have released an anti-trump at I mean they're really focused on on making sure that he doesn't get reelected and they're being led by George Conway Kellyanne Conway's Rab Husband of course Kellyanne an advisor to trump. Which just weird this whole. Yeah that relationship yes so anyway. This Republican Group released in AD called morning in America. Ammo you are in I N G and of course. That's a play on the Ronald Reagan commercial from back in the eighties morning in America. And of course you know that's for trump guy has make America great again. Slogan was from so It all comes together in a really depressing way. So I'm the president of the United States. The leader of the free world tweeted in the middle of the night after this ad came out group of Rhino Republicans who failed badly twelve years ago then again eight years ago and then got badly beaten by me. A political first timer for years ago have copied no imagination. The concept of an ad for Ronald Reagan morning in America. Doing everything possible to we're going to get we're going to skip a couple of tweets mercifully. They don't win and their so called. Lincoln project is a disgrace to honest. Abe. I don't know what Kellyanne did to her. Deranged loser of a husband moon face but it must have been moon faced starry. Say Moon face. Yes he's now referring to Conway's moon face the also refers to crazed Rick Wilson another Republican. Evan mcmuffin McMillan. They're all losers. But Abe Lincoln. Republican is all smiles. Yeah as you said. This is the leader of the free world The president of the United States during a pandemic that is killing thousands of Americans every single day. And that's that's what he's compelled to tweet about in the middle of the night. Had he not had a record of this kind of nonsense? I would think that he you know. I've been reading all these articles about everyone having weird these weird corona virus dreams right now. It sounds like he's like live tweeting his own weird fever dreams. It's so bizarre end so unbecoming and just sell an indicator of his mental state. Right now I mean. His mental state has always been unstable. He is a sociopath and Just extreme narcissist as well WANNA be Fascist dictator and those are all nice words to describe him but It's made so clear during this crisis that we're going through when we're just starved for some kind of cohesive federal response to this and then just some compassionate leadership. We have six months before the election and I woke up this morning. Just really really excited about the notion of having a leader at the head of our government who is actually going to speak in compassionate terms about the situation. We're in because there's so much we don't know and there are good people who are working on this there are scientists who are working on this and we're all over the world there's a race to find the vaccine and there's People trying to figure out how we get back to work all the heroes who taken care of like the the nursing homes who have been hit so hard in the prisons and I woke up this morning just just pining for that day when we have a leader who just gives it to a straight with up a little bit of humility for the moment that we're in and a lot of compassion for what people are struggling with and and how walking through this and and we can make that happen Mariah we have to and we will. Yes we will yes we can. Yes we can. I hope I mean that's a good segue into our reasons for hope because I do have a lot of hope We have to stay focused on what we need to do. We also know that there's going to be a lot of a lot of voter suppression. That is literally the playbook the Republicans have right now so but There's a lot of hope. States are continuing to work to make sure that our elections in November or safe pushing vote by mail and safe voting solutions. Texas Democrats are sending out vote by mail registration forms to all voters in the state They're doing the same thing in Milwaukee to which is really important democratic area of a very important state of Wisconsin so those are all like hopeful things they are hopeful and you bring up a I mean. I don't think it's ever inappropriate to remind everyone that. Republicans have a playbook but we have a playbook to and we know that it works. We know that we're going to get rid of trump if we fight voter suppression and turn out voters. That's what all of these come down to is really like all the polls and strategies and whatnot don't mean a hill of beans compared to what a stupid thing to turning out voters are hill and those are beings It just popped out and they said Oh. Gosh that before Strange Times my reason for hope really is the twenty-fifth Congressional district in California right now We have a runoff special election. There this is the congressional seat that Katie Hill vacated late last year often passed. A Democrat is running and she's a Republican. That has gotten a lot of money into the race. Donald Trump endorsed him a couple of times via twitter In the last few weeks but Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton and many many many others have endorsed Christie's Smith and you and I met in the twenty fifth district when we started doing work their way back in in twenty seventeen and there was already a fantastic ground game there that just needed a a little booster Shah of support and so it's it's really fantastic to see people from volunteers across the country to grassroots organizers to former presidents coming out to fight to hold onto the seat absolutely and you mentioned the ground game that existed there on the just need a little boost That ground game in large part was there because of the work. Christy Smith has been doing in that district since you know she was on a school board member and then was elected to the assembly and So many people who listen to this podcast worked really hard to flip that district We're not going to lose that seat. The the question was never If Christie Smith was going to run for Congress the question was when she was going to run for Congress so This elections coming up. It's less than a week and there are ways for everyone to get involved where we just do is put to the Christy Smith campaign on our podcast page. So go to swing left dot org slash podcast and that's where you get all the links for the calls to actions that we put forward every week but will have a direct link to the campaign because there's phone banks and text banks that you can jump in on and help out the campaign right now in all the way up to election day on the twelfth get on it. We do talk about this. With Rusty Hicks. The chair of the Democratic Party of California. And what's interesting is the digital tools that we've been working on This is our first chance to see what Virtual Organizing Election. Looks like where we can't actually go out and knock on doors? It's also entirely vote by mail except for few voting centers that are GONNA be Safe PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO COME VOTE. So it's a big national Test case that is going to get a lot of attention so about will do. I'm also to do coming up. May Eleventh is the immigrant day of action. Which of course is going to be online This year we can post A link to some tools so that you can participate on social media and digitally in immigrant day of action. Twenty twenty the super important this year as corona virus And the election have rightly pulled our focus. Let's not forget where we were at the beginning of this administration when the immigrant community and refugee communities were the first to be attacked by the trump administration? That's exactly right. And the trump administration is using this as an excuse to further attack. Them so please join in mail. It join it right. And lastly just a reminder that on May twenty four th. We have our letter writing party with the pantsuit politics podcasts. So if you haven't signed up for that we also have link on our page sign up right letters Talk to us. Talk to the amazing hosts of the pantsuit politics podcast and write some letters to voters and celebrate your birthday. Thanks yeah it's also my birthday. We always gotta get that in there. That's going to be. That's going to be a fun. It's GonNa be a fun afternoon. Spent together so fun. I can't wait so I was really excited to have rusty. Come on our podcast. Rusty Hicks Chairman of the California Democratic Party. Russi is one of those people who is at everything that you go to and you. You're just like how is this guy here and I thought he was the cross. The state today shirt great. Great great to see him again. Yeah he's got an incredible story he was president of the La Federation of Labor and Rusty was everywhere wielding the power of the L. A. Fed for good and to help out with these elections and coming up on a year as the head of the California Democratic Party. And he's been doing a great job. He's really gotten organizers sensibility. And has been from the beginning interested in building coalitions and bringing in grassroots groups into the party. I'm thrilled to have rusty on the show. Yeah he's got some great insight into organizing and what makes the Democratic Party the Democratic Party? I think people whether you're part of the party. You're not going to be really interested in hearing what he has to say. Rusty Hicks is the chairman of the California Democratic Party he previously served as the president of the Los Angeles County Federation of Labor and was the California Political Director. For Obama's two thousand eight presidential campaign. Chairman Hicks. Thank you so much for taking the time to talk to us. Thank you for having me. It's great to be with you first of all. How are you doing while you're staying at home will? I'm staying both saying and in safe which I I have argued that it is hard to do both and so I'm doing my best to stay safe in saying all the same time. So we're we're doing well good. It's important to have goals to very good ones. I'm a goal oriented person so it fits that for so long organized. Labor has been a breeding ground for organizers that take what they learned from Labor and use it in many different campaigns and profits and it really sort of is where people I learned that basic or work. What did you learn from your early years in Labor? That has carried you into the work that you're doing now. I think that there's really no shortcut to in that many of the new even technological advancements that we have at our disposal now are that they are tools to help further. The basic principles of organizing. Which is you organize one by one by one now ultimately you hope to do that at scale you hope to have a high quality conversation at scale but the fundamentals of what it takes to organize ultimately goes beyond organizing workplace organizing in a community organizing political campaign it all the same basic principles of You know being able to connect with real people through your own story and their story in sort of a you know a common connection around a particular cause or candidate that can ultimately improve the laws of regular folks and so by organizing you actually have regular people have the opportunity to take power for themselves that they normally would not have access to and so. That's really the you know the principle that I walked away with. Not only the importance of organizing in so many different spaces but also the the mechanics of how to do it and how it can be applied to different scenarios in different situations right well having said that and talking about the importance of these conversations in these one on one interactions and building building those community groups. You've taken over now as chair of the largest Democratic Party in the country right before the most important election of our lives and now we're dealing with a pandemic that's forced us to stay home and pivot to virtual organizing and limiting the The ways that we connect with each other. How're you keeping your activists? Engaged will add saying that this particular crisis that we are facing. I view it as really an opportunity for all of us to rethink and adapt the way we do our work. That new reality you know we. We have long talked about moving campaigns and advocacy were into the dirt space. But we've never done it in earnest because we haven't been required to in now we're forced to. We already have a you know. We don't have a choice and so of you this really as a real opportunity Yes it is challenging. Yes the I'm no different than anyone else. Experiencing the the challenges of uncertainty and anxiety of that we are all experiencing and we don't know what November is GonNa look like and so. I think it's an opportunity for us to adapt in this moment in a way. That doesn't necessarily walk away from what? I call brick and mortar campaigns campaign offices and rallies and out knocking on doors But it does call upon us to have a much more flexible model to have a model that can do the work on the ground but also move into the virtual space especially whether it's phone calls or texting or postcards or you know Other ways of reaching people in a in a in a virtual environment and so you know I've only been in this job for a couple of days over eleven months So I'm coming up on a on a year so I came in obviously in the middle of a term and Obviously had to quickly get ready for this moment The the election in November standing at the statewide coordinated campaign working with all of our partners across the state and then a worldwide pandemic and then the most important election of our lifetime. We always say that but I think we really need this time. And so you know it's been a it's been an interesting you know a year or so and Stretched all of us in a in a new and different way. The point you made about looking at digital Organizing and now being kind of forced into it. I know that your team is doing some really innovative stuff around the coordinated campaigns and of course Initially opened up twelve offices all over California and battleground counties but now moving to virtual. There's some apps and ways to get data people that was Actually distributed where you wouldn't have to go to an office in someone could just get that code and and contact people from their own homes. I think that as we see some businesses start to up in the months to come. There may be a model where we can send people to do lit drops or or have safe distance conversations where they're not gathering campaign offices and stuff and and a lot of that is because of the work that you guys have already set up so we'll see how that goes obviously like you said we don't know but It it is a unique opportunity speaking of those unique opportunities. We also have an election coming up next. Tuesday may twelfth in California district. Twenty-five that will be a big test case in not just virtual organizing but also an entire of vote by mail election. How is that looking? And what kind of things are are volunteers. Doing to engage in that. Will it really is a You're absolutely right. It is a trial run for all of us to figure out how to campaign in this environment from. What's the message for a candidate with at this point is healthcare and how vote everything else is is really secondary to that kind of conversation to mechanically? How do you advocate for your candidate or cause in an environment like this and third is? How do you ensure that? The voting process itself is The integrity of that process is actually protected because yes everyone is getting mailed a ballot but not everybody is comfortable with either filling their out on their own or comfortable with mailing it back And so the regional vote center model combined with everyone. Getting a ballot is particularly important for us to advocate for. And make sure that. We're not only campaigning. Right and being successful in that environment. But we're also protecting the integrity of the system itself. We are in a California Democratic Party is in fact harnessing not only twelve battleground the power of battleground counties but another forty plus blue wave counties as well so each and every one of them have access to the tools of the party in they're all engaging in targeted races and really important important causes so we're doing virtual house parties. We had a goal of doing a thousand house parties before Labor Day. Were on track to do that. We're doing work around making calls around the census. We're doing wellness checks in partnership with Governor Newsom and we're also doing targeted those of action where we're really bringing. Democrats from around the state into the virtual space for essentially virtual rally. We then allow everyone to leave and make phone calls from right where they're at in their own home and then after a couple of hours everybody comes back and talk about the great work that was shown. It's a way of connecting people in a virtual environment to conduct some of the same activities. We would have normally conducted in person. We'd normally done it in a in a big office standing next to one another while now we get to standing next to one another in little square From her own home right without wearing pants with comment hopefully jamming or something like that. I do I am wearing pants right now. For the record you know fully suited booted ago. So yeah I guess we know he's wearing though I'm wearing sweat pants full on. I'M NOT GONNA try to pretend wearing a suit or anything. This is such an important reminder of what a Democratic Party can be right which is about building community with volunteers with voters the fact that you know that the parties involved in wellness checks and making sure that people feel comfortable boating and finding ways to engage volunteers and allow them to connect with each other. This is all really important community building. Stop that's going to have an impact long term ultimately I view it as you can call community building. I call it power building because really our goal is Taking more instead Bach the party cannot solely be an entity that helps to elect Democrats. That cannot be the sole focus of our objective. I believe our primary objective has to be harnessed. The True Power of the party which is nine million. Democrats across the state whose collective power can help as a byproduct alleged Democrats and pass policies that improve the lives of forty million Californians and if that's the philosophy of engaging empowering and mobilizing the folks nine nine. Democrats across the state. He'd have to do it in proactive. Way That's not solely focused on election but is really focused on the issues in the policies that that will improve their lives that they believe will improve their lives. They should have a say in their own future in. So that's really. What does this statewide coordinated campaign is about not just focusing on you know working with the Assembly the Senate and the The Dietrich see on elections but also working with the formal structure of the Party County committees and clubs but also working with those that are sort of connected to the party but are not necessarily part of the formal structure you know Swing left and indivisible and resistance groups that are released stood up over the past. Three years are doing important work Maybe we're doing work. Well before that but doing important work my goal is through. The Coordinating Campaign. Is that we're all working together to ultimately increase our collective capacity and do more not just to elect at this federal state and local levels but also only be able to continue that work after the election cycle to help pass policies that improve people's lives so that's really the center of our work that it can't solely be about an election. An election is an important part of our work is not the sole purpose of our work in my view. I think that's that's Great. And you mentioned the work that you've been doing and and your Philosophy about empowering progressive groups like swing left indivisible sister district the groups that you mentioned to work together and build our collective power. I'm a big believer in that too. You know these groups have not always worked smoothly and in fact I think a lot of people joined up with outside grassroots groups because they didn't connect with or maybe felt disenfranchised by party apparatus. So how can we continue to work together and wield that collective power and acknowledge? What we're all bringing to the table and complementing each other with that. I would say the first thing is you have to have a little faith and trust before you can truly work with with one another if there isn't some basic trust in face in another entity or organization that we are while coming at a particular problem set in a different way in through a different approach that we're attempting to try to do the same thing. I think it's really hard to to work together. But you only build trust and faith with one another when you're in the trenches with somebody. I know I'm all for meetings. I'm all for agreements and all that stuff. But that's not where you really build trust you build trust by working alongside one another in through that sort of shared sacrifice and shared service the actually GonNa Sense as to what you're good adding what you're not good adding what other people are good at and what. They're not good. And so we all have to bring something different to the fight but in my view you gotta bring something to the fight. You can't just say well I'm just here just because no you bring something to the fight or cleese step to the side. So what else can fill that gap because people are account lentils And so I I think we you know have Beat me Say Gentlemen be kind with one another Especially in this new space is now. We're struggling to to to figure it out. We did a action in a rally in the date of action around Christy Smith in the twenty fifth turned out graydon great feeling and sort of good energy that came out of it and then you know about ten days later. I heard of another group trying to do something similar. That didn't exactly go so well and I got calls saying Did you hear about how X Y and Z action didn't go well and I said was sort of criticizing them. Why don't we reach out to them and try to engage them so that we can share the success that we had because my view is. If you're doing good work I wanna work with you And I think that's Has To be our philosophy especially when our very democracy is is on the line. We don't have We can't get caught up in the sort of formalized structure lab processes bureaucracy getting our way. Obviously there's some of that that we after abide by because it's important in our constitution bylaws and all of those things but I just think we have to remember what our collective objective really is anyway would keep that as our basic principle. I think we'll be okay. Well that's a very hopeful and positive outlook and it kind of brings us to the question very naturally that we we ask all of our guests we are out from the election as as it gets closer What gives you hope as we look towards November. Well I would just simply say I think the The resiliency of regular folks. This moment is really showcasing that whether you're considered an essential worker or you get the the opportunity to work remotely and work from home. We're all coming together in different ways. I'm especially proud of what's happening here in California where you have democratic leadership that is saving lives every single day and there's an activism and and energy within the grassroots leadership but I think ensures that the democratic backbone that is California is going to be ready for the November election to project the power of California into the rest of the country to do what we need to do to keep the house take back the Senate and ultimately remove forty five from the from the White House I think the resiliency of Californians and Democrats in particular and energy is something that keeps me keeps me hopeful the yes. We Can. In fact save our democracy. Well thank you so much. This was so great. I'm just so inspirational. Always great to be with you. Thank you for joining us today. And thank you for stepping up and taking action right from home. This is how we win. We win when we all get involved. We want to hear from you. Let us know how you doing during the corona virus pandemic and tweet to us at Blues. Boy Steve and at Mariah underscore craven or email us at podcast. Swing left dot org. Thank you to our friends at dim cast. And if you haven't yet police subscribe rate and review this podcast on apple or wherever you're listening to this share on social media and use the Hashtag how we win twenty twenty. You could always get more information at swing left on org slash podcast. And while you're there you can sign up to volunteer. We have a really good episode next week. I'm very excited about our guest. I'M NOT GONNA say who it is yet because I don't want them to cancel if by say it right now but were excited about the show. So we'll see.
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Inside Nancy Pelosi's Bid For Speakership
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Journalists Robert Draper says Pelosi has shown remarkable skill of managing her caucus and has a ready response to the call for new leadership. Who would it be who can do all of these things who can stand up to Donald Trump who can raise the money who can count the numbers who can negotiate the substance of legislative particulars who exactly has done all of these things. We'll talk about how Pelosi climbed the leadership ladder. Why Republicans love to attack her and how she plans to deal with President Trump Draper story about Pelosi is in the New York Times magazine and jazz critic, Kevin Whitehead reviews, a new biography of saxophonist Dexter, Gordon. In this year's midterm elections. Democratic house leader Nancy Pelosi was the favorite target of Republicans one analysis found her name was invoked in Tak ads that aired more than one hundred and thirty five thousand times Democrats won control of the house in spite of that. And now Pelosi is seeking to become speaker. Again, a post she held from two thousand six to two thousand ten but she's facing resistance within her own party from moderates who feel she's becoming a liability in swing districts, and from progressives who want leaders who will aggressively pursue their policy goals. Our guest journalist, Robert Draper, says Pelosi has shown she has the political skills policy grasp and work ethic needed to win the support of and to manage the democratic congressional caucus in a cover story in this week's New York Times magazine, Draper looks at the battle among House Democrats over the speakership and considers whether Pelosi skills. Are suited to the challenges of the Trump era? Draper is a writer at large for the times magazine and the author of several books, including dead certain the presidency of George W Bush and do not ask what we do inside the house of representatives. He spoke with fresh air Steve Davies, we'll Robert Draper, welcome back to fresh air. You spent a fair amount of time with Nancy Pelosi for this piece. You know, she spent decades in politics fought a lot of battles men under a lot of media scrutiny in the mid terms that we just saw I think she was the Republicans favorite target. I mean, they clearly their messaging and polling convinced them that attacking Nancy Pelosi was away to beat the Democrats. How did she get in this position? Well, I think it starts with the fact that she is a woman who lives in San Francisco who was wealthy, and who is a liberal all this makes for the quintessence of California limousine liberalism. In other words, she is very very. Easy to caricature on the fact that she is a woman of a certain age has caused these caricatures to be particularly unkind and with more than an aroma of sexism to than I think, but nonetheless, it's it remains a fact that she is a progressive. She is wealthy, and and therefore seemingly the very picture of the out of step democratic politician. So Republican groups and conservative organizations have taken that series of facts and run with them with the result being one cascade of attack ads after the next they really began after the Democrats took back the house in two thousand six and were particularly evident in two thousand ten when I think sixty five million dollars with spent by conservative groups over that election cycle with ads that tended to make Nancy Pelosi. See the evil twin of whoever was in particular congressional district, regardless of what they're voting record was and that pattern has continued throughout all the cycles. And it's become the sort of go to a Republican playbook in two thousand eighteen with a lot of uncertainty in the air Hauer. How is the electric sort of conflicted views about Donald Trump gonna play out going to manifest the one thing that Republicans could count on her? So they believed at the time was as long as we keep talking about Nancy Pelosi, the voters will respond with disgust towards Pelosi and elect our folks it didn't quite turn out that way, however, at least as of this counting. There are the Democratic Party has picked up thirty eight house seats, right and going back to the four years that she spent a speaker from two thousand six to two thousand ten apart from the partisan attacks were there. Mainstream critiques of her either integrity or leadership that you know that. That had some legs. Well, it's notable that Nancy Pelosi who's been in elective office. Since one thousand nine hundred eighty seven has lived a scandal free political life. So they don't have that on Pelosi substantively. However, her tenures speaker was a very very active area episode like one of those four years and were one in which she attempted to run the table with progressive legislation and some members of her own caucus were quite restive about that in particular, the energy Bill known as the cap and trade Bill of two thousand nine that a lot of the moderate blue dog. Democrats did not want to see out there at that time. You'll recall in unemployment rate was rising hundreds of thousands of jobs were being lost per month. And so the notion of talking about green energy when manufacturing jobs and other kinds of jobs. I'm were dwindling seem. Best way off message to a lot of Democrats and and at worst deeply wrong headed its policy. So yes, there has always been a bit of controversy about Posey owing to those four years at speaker when she determined that we the Democrats are here to do emportant things. And if it runs the risk of us of a returning to the minority, so be it. So let's talk about her career. What's her background? How did she get into politics? Sure. She is the daughter the youngest child of Tom DeLay Sandro who was an amazing political character in the history of Baltimore, Maryland, he was a congressman during the new deal era. And then following that the mayor of Baltimore, but that does not fully capture the hold that he had over Baltimore politics in particular, the Democratic Party. The Dallas Sandro household in the literally neighborhood of Baltimore was regularly trafficked with Democrats passing through from Washington. DC or Maryland. It was the Goto place in so Nancy della Sandro grew up with that essentially in her DNA, her older brother, Tom junior later became mayor of Baltimore I himself, and so by the time that she moved to San Francisco to Mary Paul Pelosi in nineteen sixty-nine. She was already not just a committed democrat. But but one who understood machine politics, the art of getting backstage deals done and then upon moving to San Francisco quickly became an organizer a fundraiser and activist within California Democratic circles, rush, she didn't run for congress until nineteen eighty-seven when she was forty six up till that point she was essentially a party operative activist fundraiser, she was two things is she was all that. You've just described. She was also a stay at home mother who sort of engaged in politics. I would hesitate to say dabble because she really ultimately ran the California Democratic party organized the nine. Nine hundred eighty four democratic convention, and then was the head of the Democratic Senate campaign committee, all while raising five kids, but you know, this is one thing that people I think forget about Pelosi or at any event overlook when they're busy demonizing her as this ultra liberal, the many ways disposition only, she is a woman of her generation somewhat conservative committed Catholic, and as I've observed whilst he's been in the house. She looks on with a certain bemusement and younger democratic women who raise kids while they were in office. She did the first career a stay at home mother before she pursued the second one which was to run for congress in nine hundred seven in a special election. So she gets into congress. How did she deal with the sexism and gender bias of that institution? Well, she has the only daughter with several brothers Nancy Pelosi had no illusions about what it's like to be in a male dominated arena. It. It wasn't either. Then or now her proclivity to to complain back, then sexism was really institutionalized in congress when Pelosi came to Washington there only a couple of dozen women evenly divided between the Republican and Democratic Party in a body of four hundred thirty five they were a puny minority and those who were there were treated as Dame's as broads as pieces of meat, and we're not given the best committee assignments so Pelosi who has expression she's very fond of saying, no one gives you power. You have to take it from them proceeded to do exactly that she slowly made her way up the chain. After a couple of terms convinced party leadership to give her a committee slot on the house appropriations committee, and then also to establish national security Boniface on the house intelligence committee. And it was really after she had. Managed to get an excel in those committee assignments that she began to catch your eye on a leadership position in the party, right in the way, you get to be a floor leader in the party and send a towards the the leadership is in part by raising money for a lot of other candidates. She was really active and successful in doing that. That's right. I mean, I think that it's a two or three part of a strategy to I is to understand who's in your caucus understand what they're about what their needs are. Secondly, once you've done that to raise money on their behalf. And then Thirdly the show that you can be legislative tactician that you can be a leader that you can establish a kind of party unity. So as to accomplish certain particular legislative goals, and in policy sat herself to to this task after frankly, seeing her male colleagues sort of screw things up in in in the two thousand election. They believe that they could retake the majority if they would just pick up about five seats Pelosi on her own managed to raise funds to bring four California congressional districts back into the democratic column, but that was not enough. They still remained in in the minority by one or two and so Pelosi decided, you know, I know how to win others in my party do not know how to win as well as I do, and that was really along with her ability to raise funds for particular for particular colleagues, the clarion call that put her in a position to run for to be basically, the first female whip in the history of the American Congress, you asked her at one point if she was ever encouraged to advance by party leaders. She had an interesting response. Yes. Our answer was a you kidding. They didn't even invite me to a meeting. She said, in fact, the only time I've ever been in the speaker's office was when I became speaker myself. And when I. Sided that. I was going to run for a leadership position specifically for forum for whip. They basically said really it's not your turn. Why why would you do this? And and when among her applies was that it was important to have a woman at the table. They in term house leadership said to her. Well, why don't you make a list of the things that you women here in congress want done, and we'll do them for you. And so it was it was that kind of dialogue that that that as Nancy Pelosi reminded me this did not take place in the eighteen hundreds. We're talking about the year two thousand one. And so there was still a retrograde aspect to the Democratic Party, which sees itself as the Progressive Party as recently as seventeen years ago. So Nancy Pelosi becomes speaker in two thousand six she had ascended to the leadership when the Democrats took control of the house. She became the speaker and you quote, David Obey who was a veteran, congressman from Wisconsin. Listen as saying she was the best speaker among the eight he had served with why? Well, yes, Obie was in fact, the chairman of the house appropriations committee and really knew the ins and out of how deals get cut. How money gets appropriated? And really has was so impressed with Pelosi because more than anything else Pelosi as OB described it to me though, being thought of by many as California liberal did not govern or legislate from the left, but instead from kind of reasonable center and tried to find, you know, a unifying position for all of those within her caucus while also keeping an eye cocked to what the White House and the Senate were capable of. And once she established a unified position would then be able to to negotiate with with the other side. But but though, she had a keen sense of. Where a kind of center would be that would hold. She at the same time Moby said was not just kind of an empty headed pragmatist that she began with a belief system certain things that she felt that the party needed to accomplish. And had always been that way when she came to California her first floor speech was about the aids crisis that was consuming San Francisco in later about Tiananmen Square. She was very very vocal opponent of the Iraq war from start to finish in as a member of the house intelligence committee was privy to the intelligence on weapons of mass destruction. And frankly and impressed by what she saw in conveyed that to other so Pelosi has a belief system beyond simply the art of getting things done, and these are the kinds of things that Obie has felt made her again among the eight speakers that he worked with the very best of the lot. You write that when Pelosi was speaker. There was just absolutely no doubt as to who was in charge. Charge. How did she use the levers of power at her disposal to make it clear who was in charge? Well for one thing Pelosi is a tough individual. And if you cross Nancy Pelosi, it was understood you did. So at your peril, there were people along the way who who in fact, did crosser and were made to pay for it. John Dingell, the once very very powerful, chairman of the energy and commerce committee had gotten crosswise with art for one thing had not supported her when she ran for whip in two thousand one Pelosi has a very long memory. And when the time was right, Helton sure that did Dingle was deposed and replaced by an ally of hers, Henry Waxman, is chairman of energy and commerce, and there are a number of other stories like that too. But Pelosi at the same time understood that if you're an autocratic speaker, you're not going to last very long she had seen others learned this the hard way such as Newt Gingrich knew who augured the the house takeover. Or by the Republicans of of nineteen ninety four. But but Gingrich was determined to do things his way his lieutenants became disturbed by his hardheadedness. And ultimately deposed him. You're only as good as the caucus that's unified behind. You cannot simply do that by cracking the whip and breaking fingers Pelosi understands that and that and so a lot of what has made her effective as the leader of the Democrats is simply her willingness to sit and listen, as you know, one colleague after the next talks to her about, you know, the political pressures they face the needs of their district, etc. So Pelosi as a result of this has a remarkable institutional memory of all of those disparate voices within her caucus, and that she is responsive to those is really I think probably the most important aspect of what has made her so effective. Sounds like almost. Twenty four hour a day job. I mean, there are what more than two hundred members of her caucus. Yes. Yeah. And and and policies she's one of these people who sleeps like four hours a day. She is very efficient with your time. But by officiant, I don't mean breaks up her day ruthlessly into five minute increments. She takes the time that is necessary to to achieve whatever needs to be achieved with this or that member this or that donor, and but but yeah, she she doesn't stop in. And though, it has frequently remarked on that she is, you know, up there in years that she's seventy eight years old. She wears down her staff, and she wears down anyone who really tries to travel with her. The only one who who you could argue within the Democratic Party has the same pace as Pelosi is Steny Hoyer, her the long-suffering second in command in the House Democratic caucus who's now the minority web, but he's kind of a poor second to Pelosi and there's a big drop off after Heuer. One of the things that David OBI and others have said is that there would be no Affordable Care Act. If Nancy Pelosi weren't speaker of the house it passed by three votes. What challenges did she have to overcome to get that done? Well, she was living on borrowed time from the outset. But just because it was such a heavy lift not for nothing had America, not seemed major overhauls in our healthcare system for decades and decades, she was also living on borrowed time because the Senate reverted to the Republican party it in a special election in two thousand nine and that meant the end that she could not command a supermajority, and that there would have to be compromises made. There were people on the left who insisted on nothing short of a single payer system. There were people on the right who just wanted to lower healthcare costs. But the notion of expanding expanding them to cover tens of millions of other people struck them as fiscally in. In cautious Dwight house, certain key White House advisers in the Obama administration didn't wanna see healthcare come up at all. And so there were a lot of different moving parts, and I've just described sort of the broad brush of those. I mean underneath oh, those were different things relating to healthcare disbursements in rural communities in the establishment of community health centers, and whether or not healthcare would be used to pay for abortions. And so near the end of it all in February. Let's say of two thousand ten there were a lot of people saying to speaker Pelosi. Let's settle for you know, a fifth of a loaf even a tenth of a loaf. Let's just get in and get out. You know, pass something like on pre existing conditions, and and call it a day in Pelosi said, Nope, we were here to do something major. We're going to do something major. And yet the major thing to do was not going to include the public option hybrid of managed health care, and and single payer that that for. A lot of progressives was the draw to healthcare legislation to begin with. She had an street credit convinced them that this was still worth Wild Thing. And she had enough street cred and enough just tenacity to convince blue dog moderates and others that they needed to do something big not something small, and as you say passed in the house by a margin of three it is widely understood in the Obama administration as well as among stir colleagues that that legislation simply would not have been passed. But for the efforts of Nancy Pelosi so that commitment to that grasp of policy and commitment to policy detail along with mastering relationships were all needed to make that happen. That's right. Yes. Yeah. I mean, it's it's, you know, so some of this is the temptations just to say, oh, well, you know, Nancy Pelosi really knows how to to count votes, and that's the secret tour success. But that's a really reductive way of saying that in fact Pelosi. Understands the substance of legislation understands what that substance means to various constituent parts understands the leverage that she has to commit to those constituent parts. And then finally understands the number two hundred eighteen and had to get there. We listening to the interview fresh Air's Dave Davies recorded with Robert Draper about Draper's cover story in this week's New York Times magazine about Nancy Pelosi after a break, we'll hear more of the interview and jazz critic, Kevin Whitehead will review a new biography of the late saxophonist, Dexter, Gordon. I'm Terry gross. And this is fresh air support for this podcast and the following message. Come from Exxon Mobil over the next five years. Exxon Mobil plans to invest fifty billion dollars in the US economy that kind of investment will not only create jobs in energy, but also help support millions of US jobs in other industries to find out more about ExxonMobil's, planned investments at energy factor dot com. Exxon Mobil energy. He leaves here. Let's get back to the interview fresh Air's. Dave Davies recorded with journalist Robert Draper about Nancy Pelosi who hopes to once again become speaker of the house in January to do that she needs the votes of a majority of the house two hundred eighteen members, and she faces some opposition within her own party Draper's article about Pelosi is the cover story of this week's New York Times magazine when they left off Draper was describing Pelosi skill and she was a speaker from two thousand six to two thousand ten when she managed to corral just enough votes to pass the Affordable Care Act. You write that in two thousand ten the the Democrats lost control of congress. And she now was a leader of the minority. You said she did some of her best work in those years in what way. Well, so it's I mean, the main thing that one does when one is in the minority is just to play defense. But she did that a remarkable way. There was the Affordable Care Act that was. Continual assault by the House Republican majority. They were chipping away at it. Trying to find one means after the next legislatively or budgetarily to render ineffective the the Affordable Care Act. And what policy would often do was put up to ensure that there were enough House Democrats specifically one hundred and forty six which is just a little more than one third of the overall body of four hundred thirty five members in the house. And would that one third they could sustain a presidential veto? Meaning that if the House Republicans passed something advance to go through the Senate and also get past and arrive at President Obama's desk. He could veto it. And then there would still be enough. Democrats there to sustain that veto now that may sound easy. But it's not because a lot of the Democrats would in more moderate or conservative districts would say look Madam leader. I can't be continually voting against these pieces of Republican legislation. I'm going to get killed in my district. And so she would. Release some of these people now again saying, okay, you know, I can get this person over here to vote against it. While you vote for it in. So there would be this continual balancing act, so that's one thing. But the other thing oppose the actually manage to do and did up through the Trump administration was was to obtain one concession after the next in budget fights like increase spending for community health centers, freezing, the number of deportation officers that sort of thing, and it would leave House Republicans infuriated, but she was simply a better negotiator by dint of the fact that she knew she had a unified caucus who would vote for whatever she was negotiating app, and she just simply new the legislative substance better than her Republican counterparts did. So the Democrats took control of the house in the midterm elections. And Nancy Pelosi clearly wants to be speaker again, she faces opposition within her party. But her opponents come from different perspectives. What are the main currents of opposition to electing her Espy? Sure, we'll to back into this should be noted that this is not the first time. The Nancy Pelosi has faced opposition began in two thousand ten when he Schuler a blue dog democrat ran against her for leadership and then in two thousand sixteen from Ohio Tim Ryan did the same Ryan did significantly better than Shuler had but still not close enough to dethrone Pelosi nonetheless at got policies attention, and it is very clear, it has been throughout the years owing almost entirely to the fact that the Democrats are in the minority and being in the minority is no fun that there would be waves of discontent growing a sense that the leadership chain was clogged that Pelosi herself was ally ability in certain congressional districts for the reasons we numerator before relating to her being easily vilified and caricature as an ultra liberal from hell and also view that frankly that she Steny Hoyer in James Clyburn, the third. Command and the Democratic Party or too old. They're all in their late seventies. And that a party that fashions itself as the party of young progressives, should perhaps have in the leadership chain people who reflected that demographic reality now, plus has responded to all this by saying, I'm plenty affective. But you know, if you wanna challenge me bring it on. That's now what we're waiting to see what happens. I mean there there certainly are individuals. I would say kind of rump faction of maybe sixteen eighteen it's a little hard to tell the numbers just yet who have been saying combination of what I just described then there needs to be a change in direction. There needs to be younger leadership. There needs to be someone perhaps not as overtly progressive and someone in any event who's not an electoral liability says, some of these people are progressives who are wanting to push more forthrightly, leftist agenda, but most of them Dave or people who are in these vulnerable districts, and if seen what a heavy lift it is to get reelected win. They are continually being dead. Magog as the evil spawn of of Nancy Pelosi and enter saying that that, you know, someone else can do at least as affective job and not being electoral liability, the white Pelosi is you had I'm wondering how she responded to democratic candidates some of whom one by publicly committing not to support Nancy Pelosi for speaker again. Well, she responded in the main the way she always has by ignoring it because Pelosi is a realist she recognizes that it would not do the people in those districts any good to say, oh, I'm a big Nancy Pelosi fan. And then and then lose by fifteen points. She has often said do what you need to do. You know, I'm distance yourself. From me take a few swipes at me if you need to. However, it's been one thing to do that in the past and another thing to pledge as many of these incoming democratic house members did on the campaign trail that they would not vote for her as speaker and she can afford to lose at this juncture, maybe about fourteen fifteen or so. No votes, but not much more than that. And so it remains to be seen as of this discussion. Whether she has the she certainly has the requisite numbers to achieve majority and then move onto the floor of the house. But when in January vote comes to the floor of the house and whoever speaker needs to win two hundred and eighteen votes. It's not clear just yet that she's got us to eighteen. Now, we've seen in the last couple of weeks her off one dissident after the next sometimes with by promising as in the case of Brian Higgins of of Buffalo, New York that she would achieve certain legislative priorities that he had in mind sometimes as in the case of Marcia fudge, a subcommittee. Chairmanship, would suffice. The progressive caucus move in alignment with Pelosi earliest members like Pramilla giant Paul did again when Polisi promised to give more consideration to important committees to members of the progressive caucus so Pelosi. Has has kind of put on in the last couple of weeks of master class in how you've been people to your will by listening to their will. But it is still not a done deal yet that policy will have what she needs to be speaker. You know, the Republicans were certainly attacking Nancy Pelosi in the midterm elections. What was Pelosi herself doing during the midterms? Plus, he during the midterms was raising lots of money going to any number of districts in particularly those districts where a woman was running since it was clear that that policy was willing to tie her fate to this enormous number record-breaking number of democratic house candidates who happened to be female, and of course, part of this. I think is because she's she's genuinely moved by it. But part of it is also strategic which is that, you know, after the Democrats have succeeded in electing this record breaking number of of of women to the house, which now has over one hundred female members for the first time in its history or the Democrats really gonna respond to all this by throwing overboard, their female leader, Robert vapor story that Nancy Pelosi appears in this week's New York Times magazine, we'll talk more after a short break. This is fresh air support for this NPR podcast and the following message. Come from ELS studio. Three d premium audio offering studio quality sound for your road trips. It's a whole new dimension in sound ELS studio. Three d precision crafted audio performance exclusively from Acura. Whether it's athlete protests, the Muslim travel ban gun violence, school reform or just the music. That's giving you life right now race is the subtext to so much of the American story and on coats, which we make that subtext text. You can listen to us on NPR one or wherever you get your podcasts this week, the democratic caucus all the democratic members of the house will vote on their candidates. There's little doubt she will be their candidate for speaker because she commands a majority of the democratic caucus, but in January, it's the whole house that votes she needs two hundred and eighteen so she can't afford to lose more than as you said fourteen or fifteen of her own members. That's right. In addition to all this, but we should probably make note of the fact that no one has said they're going to run against policy. So even the so-called never Nancy crowd anybody. But Pelosi type have yet to say. In fact, I'm willing to take her on myself. No one really wants to take on Polisi. And these people who are coming into our office saying, look, you know, we personally think that that it's time for new leadership. Don't know how to answer the question. Yeah. Then who is that new leader? And now some of that is just a perhaps a measure of how formidable an opponent Pelosi is. But it's also that if you're a democrat, let's say, and you just got elected, and you had been internalizing the notion that that it's probably time for new leadership that Nancy Pelosi for all the good that she has done. A Democrats has been the top democrat in the house for sixteen years. That's an awfully long time. And the party would do well to move in another direction you then ask yourself. But who would it be who can do all of these things who can stand up to Donald Trump who can raise the money who can count the numbers who can negotiate the substance of legislative particulars? Who exactly has done all of these things. Now, some people have criticized Pelosi and said, well, in fact, Pelosi has seen to it that no one else can do it because she hasn't trained anybody to do it. She hasn't nurtured any talent to come in and beats her successor PLC's rejoinder to that is looked BUSTER. No one exactly anointed me. No one taught me anything. I was locked out of these meetings. I sees this power on my own. And I did it by learning the will of the caucus learning person by person. And so anybody who wants to do what I want to do it. You're welcome to it. But you've got a lot of legwork of your own necessarily to do because this caucus does not expect a have someone anointing a successor to me. They wanna see somebody earn it. And unless and until you know, who that individual is it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to replace me. So the strategy of those who attended simply deny her the majority. She knees is to what get her to anoint a successor. And and bring no I think well now, I think. First and foremost, the most desired outcome for them would be for them to say look leader Pelosi. You don't wanna bloodbath on the house floor anymore than we do. But we've got the numbers you do not have two hundred and eighteen you cannot get there. And so you could save the party of lot of grief, if you would do the selfless thing, and then step aside at which point then someone will come forward, and we will coalesce around that individual. That's I think the primary goal if that fails. Then though, this has not been spoken about much. I think the next gambit would be to say to Pelosi. I'll tell you what we will line up behind you. But only under this one proviso, and that's that you agree to be speaker for just two years, and that that two year transitional period is one in which we are making use of all your skills and being able to stand up to Trump and playing defense at cetera while at the same time training, a new generation of leadership to do the kinds of things that right now only. Nancy Pelosi can do plus policy would not want to agree to this. If she doesn't have to she would be in effect lame duck. But if she has no choice, and if the numbers of dissidents hold firm to deny two hundred and eighteen votes, then she may have to play ball. There is a third option and the third one would be that. Somehow, she cuts backstage deal with a few Republicans and manages to get their votes. And some of these Nancy naysayers are are quite concerned that she will do that. She did after all flip eight Republicans for the two thousand nine energy bills. So she knows how to work across the aisle and knows how to do it behind closed doors, if need be let's just talk a little more about some of the opponents here like the progressives most notably Alexandra accustomed Cortez who stunned a party regular in the Bronx and won that seat. What is the case of the progressives for more power and influence in the party? Well, we should also note that I'll Sandra Cossio Cortez. Didn't just beat anybody. She'd beat a Nancy Pelosi ally. Joe Crowley who had been widely seen as the era parent to the House Democratic leadership because he had been doing all this work amongst the various caucuses and had this become a Pelosi favourite because of his efforts. So there's something very symbolic about. The fact that will cost you Cortez. Toppled a Pelosi favourite now Cossio Cortez has spoken fairly kindly of Pelosi, and certainly has pooh-poohed the never Nancy crowd by saying all these people to the right of Pelosi to me, I is Andrea Cortez would prefer someone who will advance a progressive agenda. And so it's clear that'll Cossio Cortez in Pramilla giant, Paul and several other members of the progressive caucus will be holding Pelosi's feet to the fire. Should she prevail? As speaker and make sure that she's continuing to advance progressive causes and. And so there is definitely that dynamic. That's going to be at play. But it's also the case that the reason the Democrats took back the house is not because, you know, a bunch of progresses went into Oklahoma, South Carolina, Kansas and elsewhere and talked about single payer. No the districts that moved into the democratic column in those particular states are of course, moderate to conservative districts prevailed over by moderate to conservative candidates. And so Pelosi will have to be mindful of the fact that those people manage to win in spite of Nancy Pelosi, and progressivism not because of them, and that she is going to have to if not appeased in at least achieve sort of balancing act in their electoral needs along with those of Alexandria, Akasa Cortez because after all if she failed to do that, then they will revert to the minority yet again, right? Well, let's talk about how she used this this rift within the party in general about what it's agenda and message should be. Going forward. You know, I covered congressional races in Pennsylvania here. And it just seems to me a fact that the aggressively progressive anti-trump agenda did energize a lot of people in did bring a lot of Democrats to the polls in some districts, and it's also a fact that in western Pennsylvania, Connor lamb is a guy who won in a purple district by being you know, distancing himself from Pelosi and the progressive agenda. I mean, both of these points of view have some momentum. How does she deal with this? What's what's her approach? Well, Pelosi has more experience doing this than just about any other politician on record Connor lamb. It should be noted aggressively sad or proactively said, I am not going to vote for Nancy Pelosi for leadership. And so he is already in the no column, but plus he dealt with us when she was speaker before she had a very very robust blue dog coalition. Of course, they became very or much less robust after two thousand eight after the two thousand eight Alexa. And after the healthcare legislation passed, and now there are very few blue dogs left, but they're all these problems solvers caucus, and and new democrat coalition, and you know, she's she's going to have to she believes that there are certain unifying themes that that that bind all of these individuals together as Democrats, but the devil is in the details. And and she recognizes that just because they're Democrats doesn't mean they're always gonna vote with the Democratic Party that there may be some things that some progressive Democrats sit out because they feel like that. It's too mushy too much in the center that there are others that that blue dogs or other moderates will vote against because it's politically unsustainable for them and their district. She's always she's always recognizing these things. And while I think the progressive coalition is gonna be much much. More dynamic and aggressive now than it has been in previous terms because it there's a generational difference in these people are not as wetted to Nancy Pelosi as the ones back in say, the the they're the early two thousands. Are that's going to be a challenge for Pelosi? But we have seen her we've seen her balance these things in the past and fairly skillfully. We'll see how it unfolds, Robert Draper. Thanks so much for speaking with us. My pleasure. Robert Draper's article about Nancy Pelosi is the cover story of this week's New York Times magazine, he spoke with fresh Air's Dave Davies who is also WHYY's senior reporter after a break. Jazz critic, Kevin Whitehead will review a new biography of the late saxophonist, Dexter, Gordon. This is fresh air. This message comes from NPR sponsor, Capital One capital. One wants to build a better Bank one that feels and acts nothing like a typical Bank. So they're reimagining banking. 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Nineteen eighty-five Dexter, Gordon wasn't Paris to shoot the movie that would make him an overnight star at age sixty three round midnight at dinner one night. He talked about a pianist he'd worked with in Paris ages ago. He turned out to be playing around the corner Dexter hung out there till dawn. Walking home. He told his companions. Am glad you're here? Or I might think I was only dreaming. I was in Paris making a movie about a jazz musician in Paris. He said to his wife don't ever forget this moment. It goes in the book. Do you promise Maxine Gordon's book sophisticated giant the life and legacy of Dexter Gordon shows how seriously she took a promise to finish the biography? They'd been working on when he died in nineteen ninety. Do Justice or subject, Maxine, Gordon, literally went back to school and became a distinguished jazz scholar. The biographer started with Dexter Gordon's papers written and spoken reminiscences and started filling in the blanks including dark years, he wouldn't discuss. She talked was old buddies in Los Angeles regroup up and Copenhagen where he settled in the nineteen sixties. She went to Matt a gas car. Looking for information about a great grandmother? Maxine Gordon looks at the harsh economics of the jazz business and reminds us Dexter was godfather to Metallica drummer, LARs Ulrich. A few glimpses of her dog research aside, Maxine, Gordon, doesn't make this biography of her husband about herself, she really enters the story only in chapter sixteen twenty but she gives herself proper credit. As soon as they met in nineteen seventy five when she was a European tour manager for jazz pants and heard how specially sounded and saw the presence. He had she began plotting Dexter is hugely successful so-called homecoming in nineteen seventy six he returned to the US with much fanfare as if he hadn't been coming back to play record throughout his fourteen years away. It was smart marketing, Maxine, Gordon tells us not to confuse the sad sack hero. Dexter played in round midnight with the man himself would happily retired on a career high even before the movies came calling. There is plenty about Dexter Gordon's music in the biography sophisticated giant he always valued a striking sound on saxophone. It's what caught the year of Louis Armstrong who hired the twenty one year old in nineteen forty four. Although pops didn't they beat up that hectic new style was dexterous lifeblood? A few Gordon live recordings have come out lately, including the one we've been listening to the CD Espace Cardin, nineteen seventy seven made in Paris with top Parisians, Pierre Michaux and Kenny Clarke on bass and drums, plus bebop, original Alhag on piano. This was after Dexter is nominal homecoming. After that cou he still played a lot in Europe. But now, he got better billing and treatment. He was no longer local talent. Dexter Gordon's, deep tone relaxed delivery, even the frequent witty musical quotations seemed like extensions of his gravely playful. Speaking voice, that voice carries over on the page to you can hear it. When you read is written testimony and extracts from letters included in Maxine Gordon's, illuminating biography. Her next book deals with four jazz women, including singer, Velma Middleton, and organist, Shirley, Scott. I am already looking forward to reading that. 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Why is Everyone Mad at Gavin Newsom?
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And i was jealous because california the first state issue a stay at home order seemed to have figured something out all while i sat in my apartment listening to the continuous whine of sirens. But some point after i'd stopped paying attention and a heart says things changed. I think the turning point. If i had to pinpoint the first turning point it would be our summer reopening. Angela covers health policy for california health. Line over the summer she noticed. Politics had started sneaking into decisions that had been based on science if you ask state lawmakers if you ask public health experts if you ask the county public health officials who are leading the response in california on the ground. I think you'll hear a wholehearted agreement on that california open too fast and since then i think we've seen a series of really big missteps really on the part of governor over the course of the last year. Governor gavin newsom made himself into the face of california's pandemic response afternoon. Everybody wanted to update you on where we are in terms of california's covid nineteen response today. We're announcing and introducing a regional. Stay at home order. State of california. I know some people think that's too much too fast too soon. Others think frankly that didn't go far enough But suffice more than one hundred press conferences but that meant when things started to go wrong. His constituents knew exactly who they wanted to blame. I mean it's really. They are so saw paying attention to everything that governor is saying. He's you know several times. A week sometimes is telling people on his facebook that you know california's got control of us. We're gonna lead. And so people are holding him to his word and people feel misled and in this state if enough people think a governor isn't doing his job they can kick him out with a recall election. When did you start to think. It's not just that. Were essentially that so many people might be mad at gavin newsom. It's that it all. This might get him kicked out of office. You know i've been seeing the recall signs all over. The you know on freeways and home depot parking lots you see the petition gathering going on and the signature gathering going on. So that's just kind of out there but then when you start talking to people you sort of start to understand. Oh these aren't your these aren't only republicans. These are disaffected democrats. These are no party preference voters so you really can't ignore the voice of all the different sides of the political spectrum and you send shocked i m sobbed. I am bearish today on the show. The of how california governor gavin newsom when from leading on the coronavirus to defending his office a mary harris. You're listening to what next stick with us. What is the prosecutors role. In our justice system doing justice is the new show from cafe studios based on the new york times bestseller of the same name. It explores cases from the unique perspective of prosecutors grappling. With urgent legal and moral questions i'm preet berrara host of stay tuned and former. Us attorney for the southern district of new york doing justice asks if we should allow an elected official to run for reelection while under investigation. It asks if someone can be arrested while still only planning to commit a crime. Each episode of my new show explores the case tells a and defies expectations. Subscribe to doing justice wherever you're listening now. Recalling governor in california is simple in theory but complicated in practice you've got together a certain number of signatures from registered voters within a certain period of time. The number of signatures statewide have to equal twelve percent of the number of votes cast in the previous election for that office. In this as we are talking more than a million people and then those signatures have to be verified by local elections officials. It's hard enough to execute the for a little while angela. In her editors they weren't even sure they should be covering the recall story. My understanding is that in california. There are lots of recall efforts. Actually it's just very few of them succeed. Yeah that's how the governor's chief political spokesman Expected background noise. But the thing is as in the same. What we're seeing out. There is not the same as the past recall efforts. third spend six against governor new some. This one is different. This one is gaining momentum from across the political spectrum. This is being driven by republicans. But if you look at the signature. Is there sort of taking up and if you look at the even the the new steps picking up its democrats. It's not only republicans who are growing. Disillusion with the governor really specifically with his leadership and now the california democratic party has begun to respond aggressively a few expect. The state party chairman called the recall effort the california coup a comment that got a lot of pushback across the board. This recall effort which really ought to be called. The california coup is led by is being led by right wing. Conspiracy theorists white nationalist anti vaccine. They try to paint this as a fringe right wing movement. But the thing is it's not anymore. I think that's one thing that i've heard. And that is the reason. I am released surprise. It was not difficult for me to go out and find democrats. Who were saying. you know. that's me. I don't want to vote for him anymore. I wonder if after that press conference. There is a feeling that the party leaders overreached by trying to compare what's happening with newsom to what happened at the capitol like did people kind of come back to them and say hey like but there are real problems here. You know it was weird. I think the collective feeling was that was so weird press conference the democratic party and the terror gave no evidence that this was tied in any way to the coup attempt. So that was weird. And i think you saw a wave of articles pointing that out and then you saw the democratic party sort of backtrack and say you know we shouldn't have done. That will be more careful next time essentially apologizing. I'm sort of always trying to gut check myself about as you know. This is still a long shot. How much chances of making it. And i went out to a lot of my democratic sources. And the you know former lawmakers who served not a decade in the legislature county and city democrats who known for forever sources who i trust just to say hey am i am. I am the raw going the wrong direction here. You know what. I didn't hear as as important as what i did here. I think I did not hear anybody with a full throttle. Defense of the governor and his leadership. I did not hear anybody say you know. This is not a governor. Newsom problem what. I heard from those democrats who said whoa. Whoa whoa was. We don't want a more political divisiveness right now. So it's not a defense of the governor and I did also reach out past governors. I wrote reached out to former governor jerry brown. I reached out to schwarzenegger. And i reached out to grey davis and gray davis was recalled in two thousand and three correct. The first governor in california the second governor in the country to ever be recalled and he was loath to talk about his personal experience. But i did talk to many people in his circle and even him and you know. I think the thing that i'm hearing from from that camp as you really can't afford to not take this recall effort seriously. You have to listen to the townies who are struggling. You have to listen to voters who are confused who are angry who are frustrated. It is those counties that are having to roll out. California's corona virus vaccination plan there fifty eight of them each with its own approach. So we'll the state says anyone over sixty five along with teachers and essential workers can get the shot. It really depends where you live. Angeles says it's created a big confusing mess. People can't find very basic information here. People can't find out where to get an appointment. They can't figure out who to call. They can't figure out where their place in linas and if you think about the joys hanson's of the world She was the person who Spotlight my story. She's the one who sort of got us into the story in the article she specifically said you know i understand you know. The governor doesn't control the supply of obscene coming to california and i can handle waiting until march or april. If that's how long it's gonna take for me to get vaccinated. She's sixty nine but the governor made it sound like is going to be able to get sign up and get vaccinated tomorrow so she just said you know i can take it. I can take the truth but just be honest with us and just be straightforward with us. And she feels wholeheartedly. Misled by the governor gavin. Newsom released video saying sixty five and older. You should be able to get the vaccine now. He was pretty careful if you look at it. That was the video that said you're eligible. Now there's a difference between being eligible and then when you go to california's fifty eight counties. Each fifty county has a different whole different strategy Some people sixty five and older can sign up and some counties but in others they can't. It seems to me like governor. Newsom has a couple of problems. Which is he's got this problem of optics and what it looks like he's doing and maybe not doing and then he's got. The problem of what is actually happening. That is touching people. Because i remember back in november. It seemed like some anti newsom sentiment picked up after he was caught going to this fancy dinner without a mask at a restaurant called french laundry it. Did you see that as a turning. Point to certainly. That was a turning point. Can you tell the story of what happened governor. Newsom was that the french laundry sort of hip. You know very upscale trendy restaurant and wine country in california. He was with donors right. He will he will shooting donors what lobbyists who are. Who are you know taking a front seat to the vaccination and to the Pandemic response in california. It just looked really bad on him. And he was violating his own roles He was he was maskless dining with a group of friends that were not from his household and she defended himself at first which we often see with the governor and a little while later he apologize and i made a bad mistake instead of sitting down i should have stood up and walked back. Gone my car and drove back to my house. Voters are extremely upset about this. I've heard it everywhere i've heard it from. Republicans have heard it from independence. I've heard from democrats I was at the capitol a couple of weeks ago last week in that former president. Donald trump was in office and I was there to cover it to see what kind of protest or may be. And i talked to a bunch of groups of people and i walked up to one to one gentleman and he looked like he was sat wearing a black t-shirt with a with a fellow out of a of a gun on his shirt. And i said oh brings you out today. And him and his wife just went off. You know f new some this. You know all this just tirade. I didn't even get a question. And i said really why and the whitest broke down. And their daughter you know is falling behind. She's distance learning. She hasn't been in school in over almost a year. And the they described this Difficult situation there in. She's she described her. She used to be a straight a student and now she's a straight a student and it was remarkable for a moment. Because you saw sort of staunch republican who has signed all six petitions to recall governor. So he's committed. he's committed. He shut his politics for a moment. He said listen and he looked at me dat in the eye and he said angela. This is only about that. This is about making sure our kids are able to succeed in the classroom and this is beyond politics. Our daughter doesn't deserve this and the woman just got really emotional and The wave just broke down crying and she didn't want her name in the In my article but the husband's name is James birdsong then. James brought it back to to the french laundry incident and he just sort of a moment of frustration he said. Listen if you're gonna quote if you're gonna impose law on your citizens you've got to abide by that law period. There's so much going on there because it really indicates just how emotional the electorate is and how they're feeling disturbed and a lot of different ways and how a moment lake going out to dinner. Flouting your own rules can really energize people were you know. It seems like it's just optics but folks are so tender at this moment that those optics really matter. It's optic but i think it's even deeper than that at. Everybody has akra feist so much. You know we've been by and large locked in our houses for the better part of a year and to see the governor sort flippantly ignoring his own roles head a nerve and religious showed. Oh my god we're giving up all this stuff and you're not even following your own rules and that same tone as the tone. I'm hearing this tax donation. Roll out when we come back. Governor newsom is trying to fix his vaccine rollout failure. But even those fixes are making constituents mad. Angela says the questions of gavin newsom s- performances governor go deeper than disorganization. Money to twice during this pandemic governor newsom has had to come up with state budget. His latest one angeles says doesn't have any additional funding county health departments even though they're the ones tasked with carrying out much of the state's pandemic response. Essentially there is no new direct public health money for counties in the budget even though the pandemic is raging correct and counties have their hands up. I mean they are begging for anything and the governor has said essentially no. I asked him specifically. I've asked him pointedly. it's public health. Not a big enough priority. Why why do counties not get any more public health money. And meanwhile you have continue to ladle increasing amounts of responsibility on them contact tracing testing enforcement of the rules now vaccination eminent tell you about Dr liu who has the health officer for uba etcetera counties Rural northern california. This is a county that is struggling to make ends meet in terms of its pandemic response. It has completely drowning and responsibility. Falling lou the health officer yuba sutter county has fifty people to do all those big tests and she is about to lay off twenty of them this month. Oh my gosh. So it just shows that a underfunded and overworked local health department. That's been given all this responsibility It is really caught in this really really treacherous vaccination roll out in california and they're not only true for them. You finally stories all across california all across the fifty counties in the coming weeks county. Health departments are going to have some of the pressure taken off last week. Governor newsom announced rather suddenly that ensure blue shield was going to take over california's vaccine rollout. But that too is causing people to just throw their arms up in people are really upset. There's been a really robust. social media. conversation in a woman named nancy has the governor newsom had no plan to distribute the vaccine He did have a planet was just not carried out efficiently and he dumped it on the county she said and walked away. And now you. And i are gonna play blue shield millions of dollars to do it. Even though they had no expertise in this area total abdication of leadership so even the fix has people. Angry people are so angry. People are angry. Why can't california do this. What changed and we haven't heard any answers to that. We don't know how much this contract is with the state. We haven't been able to get answers we don't know we don't know some of them about how it's gonna work really important details you know. It puts a large part of the distribution responsibility in the hands of a health insurance. Private health insurer when the response really needs to be driven by a public health perspective and so that's causing a lot of concern. It's causing some early backlashes. While it's really difficult position. This governor finds himself end. So the organizers of this recall effort they need to gather a lot of signatures in a very short period of time. But when i looked at the time table here i was mostly struck by how fast this could all potentially move. Can you lay that out a little bit. Yes they still have a long ways to go. They've got still about half of their signatures to collect. This is a this is largely at this point of volunteer driven effort. It's not really that we're it's kind of a mask the way that the campaign looks on the ground They they are actually proud of that. They liked that. It's being this sort of driven by this grassroots energy and they need to gather signatures by march. The deadline is march. Seventeen than than the secretary of state's office will count them all so they need almost one point five million valid signatures. We shall see what they actually turn in. And how many are valid. That is something that we're gonna be watching very closely. However are i think these things can really take on a life of their own. All it really takes is one big check if you look back. Historically gray davis was recalled in two thousand and three. You saw a two million dollar. Check from a congressman named darrell issa. Come in and that turned this long shot campaign into oh man. We have to take this seriously now. Is there anyone out there who looks like they might have money to spend on this and want to tip the scales. Lots of people out there have lots of deep pockets There's lots of people out. There were pocket. question is right. And that's what i mean by. This thing can take on a political life of its own once somehow once all of the momentum of the momentum keeps building and building and building you. It's entirely plausible. That you reach the breaking point politically and and then all it takes is one democrat. One republican one doesn't matter what their political stripe is to say. We have a shot or party has a shot. What do you think. The saga of gavin newsom says to other governors who are struggling to control the coronavirus. Because i look at. I look at governor newsom. I can't help but compare him to governor cuomo here in new york because a lot of people have been doing that back and forth. These are two really big states. That have been hard hit at different times by. Cova ed so i'm curious how you see it from over there in terms of what this means for other governors looking around thinking. How do i keep my job. I think there is a big lesson here. i think the lesson is be straightforward level. What the public. The governor here in california has made very explicit and lofty promises. Going back to october nineteenth. Vowing that california would lead an equitable and smooth vaccine distribution strategy and said quote. There's light at the end of the tunnel. Were few months away from truly seeing real progress with the vaccine december. Seven hope is on the horizon. Let me just contrast that with the message we heard from president biden took off as quote the brutal truth is it's gonna take bunch before we can get the majority of americans vaccinated months. You sound frustrated with him too. I would just say that if i'm frustrated. Excuse i'm reflecting the total insanity out there on the ground i'm reflecting. I think the frustration. That i've heard from many of the people i've spoken to and the because reporting The governor has outlined very different reality than people are experiencing on the ground He's sending a message of hope and we got this and stick with us. California is the leader california's at the bottom of state's nationally. In terms of the vaccine is administered compared to the vaccines that has received california's not leading this california's failing compared to the rhetoric that this governor had in the beginning. And so if there's a lesson. I think for other governors and this is supposed to be one of the main lessons from the pandemic one hundred years ago eastern forward with people into the heart. Thank you so much for joining me. Thanks for having me angela. Heart is a correspondent for california health line and that is the show. What next is produced by davis. Land mary wilson daniel hewitt and elena schwartz we are led by alison benedict and leash. Montgomery mary harris. You can find me on twitter matt. Mary's desk thanks for listening. I will catch you back here tomorrow.
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Our next generation of leaders spoiler alert. That's you i'm steve pearson and mariah craven and this is how we win supreme court just blocked another lawsuit just from trump. It just literally popped on my screen as we're recording this who al. All they do is lose lose. Lose no meadow. That's right fifty lawsuits. Now i do think it's a record fifty lawsuits so frivolous and wasteful in stupid. You know. I don't think that any of the this bizarre group of attorneys that have amassed around trump trump himself. Really think that they're going to win any of this. What they're doing is they're giving his followers more ammunition so that they can make the next four years as difficult as possible for the biden administration and democratic led house and fingers crossed democratic senate. It's also just a massive griffith for his followers just donating money straight to trump's pocket. You know in this in the guise of some election defense fund people have donated millions to this effort These are victimized cult members. I'm going to. I'm going to put it nicely there because at once again if if they were if your family member was in a cult and giving all their money to that colt You would not vilify them. You would want to help them. You would want the to get them out of that. And i don't know how we pull them out of the cult. I don't think we do right now. I think we do it by getting this behind us. Finally having republicans acknowledging biden which is happening more and more as the president elect and january twentieth having a transfer of power and get to the work of making people's lives better all people all americans lives better. That's how we win. Hearts and minds is by helping them with their kitchen table issues that they and their lives are better so The lawsuit losses continued to pile up and on monday december fourteenth. I'm the electoral. College is casting it. Sports votes ms. So it will be no turning back from that point but i'm sure still plenty of you know chances that trump will take advantage up to cast out. He still hoping that Ami komi barrett is going to save the day for him in some way shape or form. But it's not gonna happen but let's stay on our. Let's let's not. let's not let our guards down. We you know this has been a year. Where making a prediction is a fool's errand so we've been dating right about everything though just to just to let the record show how we win. Podcast has been one hundred percent correct. I didn't even know we are making prediction. No we don't we don't. We just talked to cool people and learn from them pretty much. We do jackson very smart people who have said some very smart things. That certainly come to pass. Doesn't it feel good. Everybody like being in the no the people who are right. Not talking about us. I'm talking about Right yeah yes. Speaking of which we had a great letter writing party with Syracuse era and to luca gasoline nation podcast to write letters for georgia. It was so awesome and so interesting had a great conversation with them. Speaking of people who have been right for a long time saying things that people don't wanna hear their awesome excellent everybody who took the time to to keep writing those letters. We know that before the election. Everyone's sent millions and millions of millions of letters and it made a difference. So i'm looking forward to seeing next month. What a big difference it makes in georgia yeah Voter registration in georgia has closed now. Early voting starts on early in person. Voting begins on monday. Now is the time to If you haven't yet turn your energy to the beach state. A threat. Big day on monday bad bad day for trump. Monday and a good day for organizers in georgia who know that this is all about turnout right now about getting people to show up early and vote Yeah monday the fourteenth exciting. A so i spent part of my childhood in atlanta and i still have an atlanta area code for my phone number because i just never changed my cell phone number for like the last god. So that's what that area is. Okay yeah so it's a four zero four number. I'm getting texts constantly. I don't know how these folks got my phone number but let me tell you. I'm getting texts. Constantly from all kinds of organizations organizers wanting to make sure that i registered now Clearly the the voter violent georgia is very outdated. But well i just want people to know that the organizers are hard at work there and people are getting the message is love to see it and as you know even if the voter files update and the campaign is using the most updated voter file a lot of other organizations are grabbing every four zero four area code. They they can find and reaching out to them And they may not have the most up to date information. So thank you for your patience with all the texting mariah. Glad to hear that. I'm glad to hear they're not leaving a stone unturned whatever's somebody calls or texts me. I am so gel about it. Because i have spent so much time on the other side. Exactly the more of us volunteer the better. All of this gets yeah. You can't really be mad at people i'm always. I'm always online love it. I love hearing from volunteers. Well georgia is on. Everyone's mind and that's going to be our call to action before we talk about that. I just want to acknowledge because we haven't talked about it in a bit but We have surpassed fifteen million coronavirus cases. Hospitalizations have now topped hundred thousand. Nationwide cities like ours here in los angeles Are are shutting down again. It is a very dangerous time. I just want to acknowledge people who were affected by this. There's a my reason for hope really is the the vaccine once again and the vaccine for being distributed. It's exciting pfizer. Just got an a plus from fda in the uk they are already in administering it. So we're starting to see the vaccine. Get out there but was going to slow down. This enormous spread of the coronavirus. Right now is bias staying home when possible. Social distancing wearing masks washing our hands. Doing the things that i know all of our listeners. Do but it's it's difficult when we're so fatigued over all this and and the holidays are here so i just want to wish everyone. The best as this surge rolls into the holidays. Yeah you know. My reason for hope is related to that and The timing of this surge is particularly terrible. But what. I'm seeing in my community. Both in person and online is People being open to asking for help and many many many many many people being open to providing that help really wanting to for those who are able to help this year really stepping up whether it is Shopping locally out of small business. Adopting family for the holidays that you know we were folks have lost their job finding creative ways to supplement their income and community members stepping. I've been in my neighborhood. They're people you know a selling ice coffee by the gallon in making special holiday desserts and everyone in the neighborhood is doing their best to buy from that So i really appreciate hearing from people who are helping and also people who who need help and would just encourage folks who who are in either boat to to reach out To me or someone in their community and let us know what's going on so we can all try to stay connected during this time. That's great that that is hopeful and And really wonderful thing to put out there. Let's all help each other out and where you're ugly sweaters on your zoom meetings too. So that's number one on the to do list Where at least letters. Zoom holiday meetings of course. We mentioned it already. Georgia georgia georgia. If i some mentioned it enough so important. Yeah go the flip georgia page sign up for a phone bank call mariah over and over again. Make sure she's texture a whole bunch of times Anyone else with the four. Oh four area code now. I'm kidding of course but Hook up with the campaigns. We have all the links for phone banks. We're doing some relational organizing With reach which is really a very cool and exciting there are groups on the ground. Who still need your money if you're able to donate to the same groups like a fair fight new georgia project and black voters matter Who been doing this work for the last decade and and know where that money is going to go the best use so don't wait another item on the to do list that you put on that i am so grateful for is a reminder that open enrollment closes in one week on december fifteenth So if you need healthcare coverage for twenty twenty one. Make sure you get that done. There's you know. The the trump administration for the last four years has intentionally not promoted when open. Enrollment is happening because they don't want people to sign up for it So get your healthcare resist sign up for for your air coverage at healthcare dot imagine or in your state marketplace. Yes how can you imagine a administration during a pandemic. that doesn't want you to sign up for health. Care that they offer i can. It's it's the evil people folks that we have now the the same people who are stopping the stimulus and rejected Millions of doses of the vaccine from pfizer. And yeah. i'm like at this point. Are we surprised now. Well let's get those senate seats darn it. Let's get those senate seats and make some real change in our government. Yeah definitely speaking of making real change in our government and what we've seen from The corona virus and And issues of racial justice and the black lives matter movement is how important local offices are. I think everyone is is way more aware of that. Especially in the absence of any Federal response and Amanda littman is so great and really talks about run for something and all the great opportunities there are for you listener right now to get involved in run for office. Yes you to mariah. You definitely should run for office. We saw an influx in twenty eighteen of folks who got activated by the two thousand sixteen election. Let's keep it going. yes and it is going actually Amanda had some really cool news to share about that as well. So i can't wait for you all to hear the interview or the host and nightly dinner party for two or five keeping your eating and dining area clean helps keep your mind on the dinner party and not on the clean up afterwards. Viva paper towels clean. Like cloth trapping splatters and sauces. They could become countertop. Stains are stuck on messes in their two times more durable when wet compared to the lead in value brand for an exceptional cloth paper towel there's viva visit viva towels dot com to soak up the clean feeling of home. Amanda littman is the co founder and executive director of run for something in organization that helps recruit and support young progressives running for down ballot office. She was email director for hillary clinton's. Two thousand sixteen campaign digital director for charlie crist two thousand fourteen florida gubernatorial campaign and was one of the first employees at organizing for action as deputy email director. She also wrote the book. Don't just march run for something. A real talk guide to fixing the system yourself and of course is the host of run for something. The podcast a lot of stuff there. Amanda thank you so much for taking the time to talk to us. Thank you renew Describe it like that early like renting a run for something media empire which you are. You are a one woman media empire. I love that. Actually think that all the organizations even though we're not media organizations really need to use our collective power to to take these important conversations into the media landscape because it is so dominated by conservative voices. Right now so. I'm really glad you doing the podcast. It's really fun. And i'm really glad that it's another platform to get to share candidate stories. You know the best has been hearing from people listeners. I would vote for her. If i could i. Is she going to run for president one day and not any number of guests that we've had so far which is really cool. That's awesome so a lot of talk about About your candidates and the work that you've been doing. But i just hear a little bit of your origin story first. How did you get your start as an organizer. What was your first volunteer experience. And why did you jump in. I've always been interested in politics. I grew up outside. Dc in virginia suburbs in virginia fairfax. Oh i grew up in bethesda. Mom is from merle. My family loves grip in fairfax and Always care about politics. My family wasn't really into politics. I had one of my best friend's moms Worked for she actually. Now works for the epa at ashley wrote the keystone pipeline report. Her nose the interesting But at the time she was really involved in narrow pro-choice virginia. So i remember when i was like in middle school. She took us to approach. Virginia rally and a march in yuzu campaign. Canvassing work for them and knocked doors for craig. Deans virginia governor. Tim kaine and i decided to go to college. Specifically because when i was a junior in high school i went to a rally for this guy named barack obama who was not even before run. We'll pardoning trying out his speech at these students obama's rallies and one of them was at the university across the street from a hassle so skipped a day of school and went saw him. Speak and i was hooked. Said i will do whatever i can win. Day eventually. work for him. When it came time to pick a college. I picked northwestern and fortunately got in. Because i had a family friend who was at northwestern working for the obama campaign and i figured great. I'm gonna do that for years. 'cause obviously he's gonna win and then he's going to run real action from chicago and i'm going to get a job not realizing that was like a pretty Ridiculous assumption made at. Fortunately it worked out. So i went to northwestern studying american studies and wrote my thesis on women running for office against other women and how it changes gender performance in tv ads and my senior year. I got internship on the obama campaign doing online. So i would take the subway or the l from evanston down to the chicago headquarters every day and work work and then go back to school at night and i'm surprised they even your degree Barely went to class. I've got the job and it's been all Ups and downs and ups and downs. And yeah well. That's a great story and let's talk a little bit about run for something It's really taken off since you in. Ross launched in two thousand seventeen and by the way just Not too long ago. We had ross on and he's the best. He's awesome also interviewed his wife jess in the before times. I think you're ago or something. And she's amazing to an incredible couple but you started in two thousand seventeen. What were your expectations and goals when you started. And how has that evolved over the last three years. Well i'm sure. Ross said this too and we talk about amongst ourselves all the time. We thought this was gonna be small hustle before Status what he said. Yeah congressional campaign in los angeles. I dislocated my knee was sitting on my couch. Depressed had my dog with me amazon. Like i'm going to have to get a real job. But in the meantime this'll be a fun hobby like every weekend. We'll talk to people who wanna run for office with a day. That we launched on inauguration day Over the next week thousand people signed up since then were than sixty five thousand people have raised their hands to tell us they want to run for office. And i played my favorite thing about that stat. And i'm so proud of how many people have raised their hands from so proud of the pipeline revolting and how many you believe elected job tournament my favorite thing about that stat is at nearly twenty thousand of them have signed up since march twenty twenty and more than two thousand of them have signed up since election day so unusual like we are building something that is going to live past. That trump era is not about him. It's about people who see problems in their community and see people who look like them have experiences like them running and winning and thinking. I have to be a part of this. I can do this too. I'm really excited about that. But also really proud that over the last four years we've helped elect nearly five hundred people across forty six states mostly women mostly black and brown leaders twenty two percent. Lgbtq to everything from school board library board community college board alway statehouse states on it and some of them are already running for higher office which is just wilder than my wildest dreams. If you would ask me what the you look like. In december january twenty sixteen twenty seven. That is so cool to hear And like you. I love that last part of the stat about the people who have signed up since the election. Because i guess this is the big concern for a lot of doing this work now. Is that we see all of these people who are tuning in for the first time who were getting activated and we wanna make sure that we keep people engaged so important that we keep building our democracy and have people stepping up so that is really encouraging I feel like there's been a lot more light. Shed over the last four years on the importance of down ballot races. I know personally. I knew very little about local politics for years ago and now a shameless plug now running for election as a california democratic party simply delegate and yeah and i dove into local politics with the california democratic party republicans of course have been investing and building strong infrastructure for local offices for decades and we have a big uphill battle against that infrastructure. But i think this last year we are also experiencing a really tangible way. How important these offices are with the coronavirus responses and the fight for racial justice being such locally controlled issues. Do you think people are widely paying more attention to down ballot candidates. Now i think so. I think it starts with the people who set the tone. The activists operatives that donors at the media outlets. I think we're getting there. There's a lot standing in the way of understanding how these local government functioned in their daily lives the biggest of which is the demise of local media and we have really seen when you unleash when local news outlets Dissolve disappear voter. Engagement in local elections in those counties drops there's a direct correlation between having media media to hold government accountable and voter participation. That being said. I think what you said is exactly right. The combined pandemic Plus the protests and black lives matter movement Over the last eight years especially summer have released shined a light on how much these especially with the federal government completely dropping the ball you know who do you turn to to figure out what schools are open. Who are you looking for direction on whether the play around in your city is open or closed and if the restaurants are able to survive and the kinds of education you're scoop your kids are getting and when it comes to police accountability. These are municipal school board state legislative issues from the election administration. Seeing the variation on house election was administered that comes from city and county clerks and county officials. Many of whom did the right thing. Many more which went out of their way to make it much harder for people that vote I think it is one of the would not caught us over. Lining there are no silver linings of the trump era but it is a hopefully positive next steps is that we can really rebuild. Focus on the offices that determined the levers of power and make a difference in people's lives and those are the ones that don't always make the front page of the new york times in washington post but are exponentially more important than the attention that they get great point. Let's let's talk a little bit more about that. You know in terms of the the last recent election from a month ago We had some mixed results on down ballot races. Let's talk about the good and the not so good. So typically as we get into the final stretch of any presidential your campaign the presidential or the coordinated campaign in the states just takes over all the volunteers and the money but don't always lift up the local races and that certainly was the case. This cycle Is there a better way for local races to work with coordinated campaigns or get attention when tensions on presidential candidate. Where where do we fall short where you feel like we could have a little bit more time and money. I think part of the problem is hoping for the coordinated campaign to do work. The reality is is that the past to win the white house which is really what drives the coordinated campaign for the most part and the path to win. everything else. don't really overlap or not one in the same and if we count on the coordinated accountable presidential to do the heavy lifting to drive the strategy to bring in the money in the attention and that the organizing which i know swing left it in but many do We're gonna miss out on huge opportunities. The real it real problem here is not what we do in the final six months of the campaign. But what should we have done two or four ten years ago to set ourselves up for this When you think of bigger time horizon now the reason that we were able to win. Arizona and georgia for example is because of decades organizing led by communities of color and leaders car on the ground but a decades of losing. You lose you lose you lose in each tiny lose a little bit last week keep working and eventually you win. A battleground is not become a battleground overnight. It becomes a battleground through years and cycles a sustained investment and that's really hard to do for democrats a whole so that that's really hard for democrats to do So as i think about what could we have done better. Where should we have paid. More attention is not wishing you paid more attention twenty twenty. It's where should we paid more attention in two thousand eight in twenty ten In order to ensure that the future was a little bit more available to us. I know this is a whole nother conversation as you said but if you could pull out like one big reason why democrats are bad at doing that. What would that be. I think one of the biggest problems that democrats have is the we have a resource allocation problem. Anything gets from the psychology of much of the democratic major donor community This is kind of a controversial thing to say. Because i raise money for major donors. I love the people that give run for something. Money is a blessing. I am so unbearably grateful and unimaginably grateful and their rarity Most run a major donors democratic universe fund vanity projects or are looking for short-term wins or are giving because they're inspired by news cycle They're giving because they want to be named ambassador. They wanna have to be able to go to a fancy cocktail party the before or they want the picture with the candidate and those are all valid reasons for giving but if those are your incentive structures. That's not what wins power. And i think we know that because republicans do it differently. Republicans the coke brothers network all recall their affiliates give because it's a business investment because they believe whether rightly or wrongly mostly right but rightly or wrongly that if if republicans win at every level then it will be good for business. It will be good for big oil We good for big corporations. It will be good for billionaires. We joke like all. At least i got their tax cousins. Like at least they got their tax cuts. And even you think about criminal justice reform the coke brothers part of the reason that the cook brothers so invested in criminal justice reform is because a bunch of their employees. We're going to get sued. We're gonna get into legal trouble. And they realized that if they could just fix the system they wouldn't have to pay so much of their employees legal fights. This is a altruistic endeavor for them it's a investment and while i don't think the democrats should take page of most republican plan books. You know it has resulted in some very bad behavior. Their donors have it right if you see past election day if you see it. As a long term investment in the the health of democracy for democrats or for business or republicans you will make better strategic decisions you will you will see past the cost per vote which is a metric that many democratic donors us that ultimately rationalizes underfunding in communities of color young people because vote is much higher. But we know that's a long term better investment because once someone puts once. I'm likely to vote again. But if you see past these metrics you think long term and you think strategically you will fund differently. Good thing that drives me crazy. Is this conversational. Like always. Should do around organizing. Oh we should do. Sustained investment in local works every single organizer. An operative for the most part in Basically every single organizer operative tell you yes fucking love to do that route. I can't afford it. I many of her peers run for something really lucky we are not laying off staff or contracting anyway And that was an intentional budget decision but to many state parties in state based groups and even nationalizations are scaling back which means when they get money again in six months or eight months or twenty twenty two. They're gonna have to go through the whole process of hiring up. They're not doing these decisions. Because it's good strategy. They're doing because the resource starved and that fault thunders. Another fresh especially vases and of the major funders. I think the people who are getting five and ten in twenty hundred two hundred bucks for giving what they can who are doing so out of the goodness of their heart. Are you keep doing what you're doing. I i want to say. Thank you to you. If you're listening to this. You should keep putting the things that you care about especially if you can make recurring donations do so. But for the people for whom political giving like a hobby apart social network. And the same way they treat like targeted philanthropy. You need to make better decisions. Because in many ways you're setting democrats up to lose by privileging eager over strategy. Wow you said a lot. That i agree with their everything that i agree with. That was amazing and like so frustrating. You know these quote unquote has every right. Every single organizer will say we need to be organizing year round. We need to be supporting the local organizers and communities who are just cash-strapped building infrastructure in their in their communities and then it's just not financially feasible. I've been kind of wanting to say this. And i hope my friends who work there. Don't hear this podcast because they don't want to slam them specifically but you look at what. The lincoln project raised in this last election. And i'm very proud of the work. Swing left did offer local legislatures. I believe we were the second highest fundraisers for local legislatures last cycle. And i'm really proud of that. But the lincoln project raised. I don't know what the number is We'll just say a shitload of money for these ads. That while they were very appealing to us progressives who want to dunk on trump and his complicit cronies they weren't really effective in changing hearts and minds and motivating voters and that money really could have been used on down ballot races on local legislatures. Think about an and it was us. It was you know progressive's who donated to the lincoln project and massive numbers grassroots small dollar donations but but be thoughtful about where that money's going and where it's going to be the most effective because down ballot people is where it is at i. The lincoln raise somewhere north of eighty million dollars. This cycle if you care about building. Sustainable power for democrats a media company. That one pockets more than it spends and and we certainly in some ways himself dealing but to was especially intended to reach republican. Voters vote for democrats. Who can motors. And that chuck schumer's senate majority that gave them half a million dollars amongst many others drives me up the fucking wall. What is the point of doing this. If we're not trying to build sustainable power we are playing into their hands and like it's not even just that they raised a whole bunch of money. It's at so many of these state and local candidates who got money towards the end. Got money at the end. It was that they got millions and millions or hundreds of thousands when voters were already voting when ballots were out like it was great. And i think it's really important to the financial discrepancy. Your is not the only reason why some candidates wanted some candidates lost. Many of our candidates raise record sums of money can still outraged us in many places spent by democratic candidates. Made incredible leaps forward in raising money and spending this year but when most of it comes in september october it. It's not gonna too late to spend but it's in some ways to let too late to spend effectively and efficiently if we had spent it six months ago or or your ago eighteen months ago. Many these campaigns. We're getting off the ground they would have been able to do more you know. Emily's list is an acronym it's early money is like yeast. it helps the dough rise. Early begets more money but also be gets better campaign strategy. It'd be gets planning anyone who's ever run a business or even thought about running a business knows this you need to have revenue. You can plan on and campaigns. Can't do that. It is just i can get his like. Sometimes we are why we lose. And that's a real downer. So real intramural bummer. Well yeah and that's a great point about early money. There's so much just straight up. Research and data that shows the importance of early fundraising on campaigns. And and we we try to impress that upon people as well and sometimes mixed results We just talked about a bunch of stuff. That was wrong or that. We could do a better job on i do. I do want to highlight some success stories to. Could you share one of your favorite success stories from this recent campaign. I had so many Where to star adrian. Tam who in hawaii is now the first openly gay member of the hawaii state legislature. The only open the remember wisey legislature beat out a little kkk member and proud boys white. Supremacist well look to see Rebecca mitchell a veterinarian in georgia who was the first democrat to run for her seat in literally decades flipped a seat in the georgia state legislature Just today this is pretty cool Bell he's young black man who's running in barron county michigan for county. Commissioner board conic missioner's the race originally was tied. They pulled names out of a hat and he lost in that. Tie breaker okay. I'm just today. when recording. the he demanded a recount on his turns out he won by four votes. he's one of the few number has to win in varying county with a first black land represent. St joe is in michigan. He's in his mid twenty s. It is very cool to see one. Every vote matters or it's really amazing to see what can happen when candidates are willing to put their names on the ballot. There's so many. Alex lee who became the first gen z state legislator in california as well as the first openly bisexual member of the california state assembly nitya rahman. Who's an new la city councilmember She took out an incumbent who spouts venture like four or five to one an upstart grassroots campaign and beating an incumbent in california is everywhere but especially in california especially in. La is really really really hard at the is in my backyard. I have a lot of friends who worked very hard on her campaign to so. That was exciting. Antastic jeremy kuni and sombre broke both lips seats in new york state. Senate upstate there to the only to a state senators of color from upstate. New york just so cool to see. I could do this for hours with the we had two hundred. Eighty seven wins on election day while country and those are just the ones that can name off the top of my head but like are all inspiring and empower and going to make such a meaningful difference in their towns in their states and their cities. And i can't wait Watching the swearing in ceremony photos is my favorite part of each like december and january. Oh beautiful to see. Like the sort of circle of of citizen to candidates public servant. Come to fruition really. It's very moving lens. Very cool journey to be a part of so cool and I know everyone listening to this. Is now really fired up and inspired and ready to jump in. How should people interested in running for office. Get started amanda. Great question If you go to run for what are you. An s. o. r. w. h. a. T. dot net. You can enter your name your address your information and you'll see all the offices available to you in twenty twenty one you'll then get an email inviting you to a conference call. Join that conference call through all the ways in which you can run for office whether in twenty twenty one twenty twenty two or much much later he should also certainly got the book. If you're interested in reading the podcast. I think is really where talking to alumni and our candidates all across the country out their stories are really firing. But the most important thing you can do sign up website love that we'll have a link to that also on our podcast. Page swing dot org slash podcast. One last question before. I let you go. What gives you the most hope for our future. The candidates we work with are in a way being able to see a twenty five year old. Who still living with his parents and working part time as like a food delivery guy. Rana campaigns are california state assembly and win and show up committed to fighting for renters and for people like him who are still living in their parent's homes Like what a difference that will make conversation around things like affordable housing. How he trig How we treat the gig economy. And when i look at people like ana eskimo money in florida and breanna tone in colorado who are both single handedly helping tens of thousands of their constituents and other folks in their states in florida and colorado respectively navigate a broken unemployment system. Like they're doing it even though it's hard there isn't hope because our government is starting to be filled with good people who have lived experiences. Who come from an nontraditional backgrounds. Who are willing to change their lives to change the world. And i i cannot be more excited to be apart of that work with them. 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Climate Hawks' RL Miller on Why We Need a Climate Debate
"Hello and welcome to drilled i'm amy westervelt this is are drilled tony tony drill in the kennedy series today we talked to are ill miller who founded and runs climate hawks six eight grassroots funded pack focused on electing climate kennedy it's she gave us a great rundown of what to look for from all the kennedy it's in the debates and why folks are still pushing for climate debate hope you enjoy it i'm earl miller i run climate hops vote on which is they pack voted to building grassroots politically power for the climate crisis i'm a woolsey fire survivor end i am de chair of the california democratic party is environmental caucus okay so maybe let's start with an overview of year take on the field of candidates who are you excited about from climate perspective and who is just like not even on your radar in that realm let's start with the easy one fracking liber clement hawks voters wouldn't be active partners in the no fossil fuel money pledge and so that is the easiest way to rule out of about five candidates who have not yet signed the pledge or who have flat out refused to do so like fracking looper and john delaney a few others has not signed an we don't know if they wheeler not we're not biden is he actually signed it now i told that he's gonna sign up today yeah he has committed to signing it we want to see the picture eight video ori picture or a tweet that he has confirmation that he has in fact signed it i'm told that it's gonna happen today may may happen tomorrow but at this point i'm gonna take his word that he will in fact signed who were you excited about from a climate perspective elizabeth warren has a plan for everything that's one of her mottos end she's also rising rising in the polls because people are seeing her as eight substantive candid it without any serious plan for everything she's released bits and pieces of a climate plan climate in public lands fossil fuel production on public lands which was really groundbreaking and then climate in the military which was also groundbreaking but in a different way she hasn't released a full climate plan but what i've seen so far has been really intriguing end it confirms her role as the candidates to watch with a plan for everything i'd be very interested to see what kind of final climate plan she releases but obviously the one that we are most excited about is jay inslee deep plan they put out this week was described to me informally as can i say this on their fuck fossil fuels and it lives up to that an end which really impressed me about that plan i mean really knocked my socks off and blow me away and all the rest of those cliches is that it's the kind of stuff that a lot of advocates have been saying needs to be done but no politician has ever been willing to do we analogize it to eating vegetables politicians love to talk about clean energy and they loved to talk about the jobs jobs come with clean energy and they know that solar and win poll like mom and apple pie and so talking about clean energy for a politician is like eating dessert but saying no to fossil fuels is very much the broccoli of the climate world and the fact that inslee is willing to tackle this shows me that he's they truly serious climate hawk wiz deeply i thought out plans can you envision i know i've heard this from a few people about 'em well maybe warren will take on inslee is planner maybe you know the other candidate will or perhaps inslee will be tapped to sort of work in the next administration enroll out this planet can you imagine that actually happening i could easily do so in in fact when he released his first plan which was clean transit but i actually took it to several state lawmakers in california and i said can i actually asked jay inslee could we please adopt this and turn this into a sp one hundred for california just asking for like thirty eight million of my closest friends i asked us at a press conference and then eric garcetti the mayor of los angeles came up to me the thanked me for asking so there is some genuine excitement around what he is doing as well is who he is and it kind of seems like he's open sourcing his policies from washington a little bit like you like here's on my stuff guys take it please well we have joe biden who has a bit of a history plagiarizing i'm actually hopeful that heat plagiarize is the fox also feels not optimistic but hopeful is there anyone else in in the race that i either you're interested to see what they come outlet or you're concerned about sort of the bad track record on climate as a californian i'm watching calmly closely she has not put out some sniff climate plan yet there is a mention of climate as an issue on her website i'm told by her staffers that there will be more calming 'em i'd be very interested to see what she comes up with because her campaign focus has been very 'em again were back to the kitchen table analogies but it's been very grounded in day to day 'em kitchen table bread and butter meat and potatoes knocked the soaring rhetoric that you might see from a bernie sanders but more how is this gonna make a difference in my life kinds of issues and so i'd be really interested to see what she does on climate on sanders also has not released a climate plan people generally assume they know where he stands because he has a track record of speaking about climate and he has a track record in the senate of introducing bills but he hasn't really released it climate plan per say an interestingly one of my on die hard climate hawks friends in las angeles who was such a sanders fan but he was actually tapped by the sanders campaign to introduce sanders when sanders start doing as large campaign rallies in las angeles in twenty fifteen on has now switched over to wins late because inslee has impressed that much and the fact that inslee has executive governor experience has also counted on one thing that i'm looking for with the candidates by the way is whether they're willing to take on the senate filibuster end to be blunt the senators are less willing to talk talk about that one then the people outside the senate there is i think a sense among the senators earth that we are protecting our own institutions but the people who are willing to to say we must get rid of the filibuster for going to get anything done those are the candidates who tell me that they are serious about wielding power to fix the climate crisis people who have a deep understanding of structure of power and not just of writing good plans okay so climate debate let's talk about that i know you guys did a survey on all of your members about what they would wanna hear addressing climate the bacon you kind of give us an overview of that and then i wanna talk about what you would wanna see it in a climate debate and also what kind of climate question do you think are important for the general debate where i started it was fee idea that trump razz doesn't want a meaningful climate debate he end some of the dc centrists think tanks want be climate question to be do you believe the climate change is real and should we return to the paris agreement and this gives every handed it an opportunity ready to work in some brief talking point so amy klobuchar will say yes i believe the climate she's having witnessed snowstorms in minnesota i believe the climate change is real and we should return to the parents i sorry next question gotta move on immigration camila harris yes i have seen devastating wildfires in california in climate change is real and we should return that you're at a time and that's what they want want they want to reduce this down to the lowest common denominator denominator they want to keep this away from the issues that matter to climate hawks and to people who care deeply about this issue and so a lot of us knew that obama's clean power plan was possibly the best he could have done politically in twenty fifteen but the science is changed science have gotten starker or the impacts of gotten clearer end we now know that plan is insufficient and so what i did was i did a survey out to my climate hawks vote list because i want to show to the dnc that there are real sharp divisions within the climate community the makeup fodder for an interesting debate i want it to demonstrate that you can in fact have an hour long debate debate just talking about climate change loan and so i asked people some of the tougher questions and i told my climate talks to think like a presidential candidates and some of them i'm sure just gave me their own opinions pinions as opposed to thinking like a candid 'em but i got a lot of interesting responses for example on agriculture and people don't really talk about agriculture all that much in connection with a climate but were starting to see the edges of that in the green new deal talking about sustainable agriculture on we definitely know that there is eight strong element of of climate people who overlap with beacons because you know that if you want to be what's the word for it they call it climate tarian eating as opposed to a vegetarian eating if he wants to be climate conscious you really need to to avoid being on so i ask people how should we address this and i gave them i was able to boil this down into three choices of 'em talking about reforming the farm subsidies system which encourages people to grow meat which in parts of people grow beef on an reformist toured more fruit and vegetable orientation or 'em educating farmers about about things like no till on soil conservation practices or imposing a carbon tax on meet a meat tax if you will and then i also through in because i've recently visited texas access and i'm aware that there's a very strong culture of eating meat there was a barbecue chain in texas called rudy's where these employees wore a shirt on the front of the shirt reads respect the meat back of the shirt reads i didn't call my way to the top of the food chain by eating vegetables and if we're gonna talk about klima tyrian eating there's there's gonna be a tough conversation to be had in places like texas so i threw in 'em i didn't call my weight at the top of the food chain by eating vegetables as a sort of test case and about two percent three percent of people actually pick that choice i see how much resistance i'd yet but other than that the responses were pretty evenly split on do we want to tax meet maybe twenty percent people said yes do we want to a reformed the farm subsidies system that was more like forty percent and do we want to 'em and his mother when educated farmers more like thirty five percent and i'm obviously not rounding my numbers very well written something along those lines on end you know on the subject subject of fracking i think there's a pretty broad consensus there and so people ninety percent of respondents said just banat altogether ten percent said response said regulated and then for people said i hope this is a joke a drink fracking fluid on national television so my point is that we need climate debate to tease out these kinds of issues there's a lot of talk in you know this primary about climate change as just one issue a single issue and i think that that's part of the sort of flood thinking around you know why do we need a climate debate it's just one this year were not having a debate on any other issue to me it's not an issue with the lens and it's a lens onto every single issue that any presidential candidate needs to be thinking about so i'm curious like what you've seen in terms of i dunno just people getting that but it's not like i to me it's surprising that people still think about it as a sort of like side issue over there and i'm curious what you've seen on that front there's a huge awakening occurring now in it's changed so much when i first firm when i first started working on this about ten years ago where you definitely had since the the progressive movement was ignoring climate change and perfectly happy to leave it to the environmentalist environmentalists are lovely people don't get me wrong i'm one myself but we don't have sufficient political power to stop climate change on our own we can maybe cleaned up a river here and there but save the whales but we cannot overthrow exxon on our own and that's really why i started climate hawks vote to build that politically power for the climate movement that we so desperately need end there is now that much broader or sense among progressives that climate is to paraphrase jamie raskin on the lens through which we see everything else in going back to my survey i couldn't even think of a way to frame on a survey question but if you ask anybody in the circle they will tell you that climate is foreign policy issues because it affects a refugee it affects refugees coming into america why are people coming to america one of the reasons is that they have no water in yemen in india in parts of mexico there is no water and so what do you do when you don't have a place when when you don't have water the first thing is you start fighting over it and the second thing is you up and move over it clements affecting are foreign policy the meat arctic what are we gonna do with the melting arctic what's that gonna mean for national security russia wants to grab a lot more of the arctic then it currently has the rights to what's climate going to do about national security when it comes to things like worth for oil so that matter what are those middle eastern countries going to do when they don't have as much money as they've been stockpiling because oil is no longer quite as useful because they can't extracted anymore these real interesting questions on i'm not sure how much they might come up in the debates tonight and tomorrow or if they're more clear differences between dem's generally agree the climate is in fact national security issue versus republicans who deny it and i i haven't really heard anybody express groundbreaking stuff on climate as a national security issue other than inslee has noted that if you address climate you also addressed the worst royal oil a lot of people were really like oh wow about elizabeth warren's 'em greening the military proposal but like the military has been talking about climate change is a threat multiplier for at least ten years i mean i did a story on that literally ten years ago and had generals telling me look were very pragmatic about this we don't get into the politics of it we see it as like it's a threat multiplier and it's also the number one way that are soldiers get killed is on refueling missions so if we can eliminate those we reducer death toll and i was like yeah that makes you know okay so in terms of questions that you would wanna see in these sort of general debates if eight climate specific debate doesn't happen obviously wanna go beyond just is climate change real urban then rejoined paris water the the kind of key things that you are hoping to see brought up carbon tax and a green new deal are people solidly behind the carbon tax which for a long time was the gold standard or are they shifting over to a green new deal were frankly i think a lot of the progressive energy is going end can you have a green new deal without carbon tax on or do you need the carbon tax help pay for the green new deal on an similarly can you have a carbon tax without a green new deal so there's a lot of room there for candidates to standout pete buddha judge i'm always gonna make his name i'm sorry for them has embraced the carbon tax fully others i know the bernie sanders is backing away from a carbon tax although he was it's quite strong on that in twenty sixteen he is now backing away from that and is now shifting over to the green new deal camp which is definitely eight sign of where the progressive energy is going i'm i'm seeing to that more republicans are actually coming around to the idea of a carbon tax it seems to me in fear of thee quote unquote socialism of the green new deal and of course there's the one proposal that exxon is backing that includes the legal immunity different oil company is so i'm sure that's part of it too i know are you seeing any kind of movement on the right in this realm and also one of the questions we asked and see last night was how do you get policies like this implemented in a congress that looks the way it looks today where do you even begin to move the needle on i dunno if you have some thoughts oh i have too many thoughts let me let me begin going back to the survey on these question of the carbon tax in the waves were of exxon liability on we asked or lift first do you support carbon tax and it was do you support a carbon tax we'd be dividend going back to american consumers sooners the citizens climate lobby style or do you support support a carbon tax with the money being used for infrastructure on to pay for things like this stuff and a green new deal or do you just support cap and trade on its own or green new deal on its own without the carbon tax an oddly enough because you would think that citizenship climate has made tremendous inroads but oddly enough seventy percent of my list of the people responding to my survey said they would prefer to see the money's infrastructure then go back to be american people see individ in style on and then the remainder painter were splits fairly equally among seeing dividend cap and trade which as i mentioned does still have it's at herons in green new deal without a carbon tax so i thought that the sort of interesting divergence especially given that some of the candidates buddha judge in particular has staked their entire climate plan on the carbon tax and what do you do with the revenue raised enough people generally think the exxon should be investigated and the response was oh fuck yeah like ninety five percent and due to the gale climate pool to it looked like it was a large number of people that seventy percent were like yeah we wanna see this investigated investigated in like we want accountability and obviously people responding on the climate hawks boatlift are self selected climate hawks as opposed to the yale survey which is trying to be a little bit more representative of everybody in america but even within that i then ask people what do you do a trade off where you took these exxon waiver of all liability in exchange for a carbon tax and i thought the response would be oh hell no but about thirty thirty percent of people said yes they wouldn't factor that trade off and i went wow that's interesting i think there's just a real sense of well i think people are feeling a little bit desperate and like we gotta get something done soon we have a limited amount of time and these guys have wielded so much power for so long i mean even the way they even talk about it too is very much like as though it is totally with in their power to dictate whether or not they are regulated you know i mean i think a lot of people see it that way you know they're not gonna go voluntarily and the only way you're gonna get anything done is to like sort of give them something there's that and then there's the idea of executive power on trumping pull trumping what can get through congress and i get that i get that appeal and there's also the idea that states can do this on their own and so you have california passing it's honored percent clean electricity by twenty forty five in which an now twenty forty five oh that sounds so quaint oh we need new move much faster with all of the states tumbling on themselves to try it out do california is there anything else that you're sort of keeping an eye out for in the primaries as they go forward i think it's really interesting watching to see what happens we've scott on better o'rourke released eight surprisingly good climate plan that had more nuance to the green new deal the night otherwise would have expected i i'm definitely interested to see what warren puts out in full calmly harris in full i don't quite understand why harris is doing so much better in the polls and cory booker is but i'd be interested to see what what booker does he's already put out good environmental justice plan and again the way the all the candidates are putting these out it is an invitation to open source them first dates i certainly hope that states are gonna pick out the best elements of this candidates plan and that kansas plan and try to get something done it is kinda cool from that standpoint that i do feel like at first of all definitely we were expecting in the last election that like every single canada had have a climate plan wasn't an expectation at all so the fact that like they all have to put out some amount of policy ideas around this this kind of helpful for policymakers and i think one thing i'm gonna be interested to see if joe biden repeats his line from but he's been using on the stump a little bit the first thing we need to do in the way of a good climate plan is to defeat donald trump and you know that line gets a lot of applause and it's true but i always want to ask mr biden what is you're second thing that you will do after that because there is not a single democrat up on this debate stage who will disagree with you all of them are running to defeat donald trump and you're right we all do wants to defeat donald trump very badly but what's gonna happen next and that's what i'm hoping the climate debates get it some some some some some some jill is produced and distributed by critical frequency shows made possible in part by a grant from the institute for governance and sustainable development music from this episode by martin listen berg and elliott helps men
"The buck sexton cast. We are on defense big time and a lot of us got used to be in on political offense for a few years but the pendulum has swung far to the other side. Now this is not a cause for despair. It's just a cause for looking at the reality and preparing for it and understanding who you trust your alongside and how we move forward together the buck sexton podcast. Get it for free. Daily on the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Or wherever you find your podcasts we speak you. House members there in washington. Dc standing in the very room. That was full of people in horns and warren pelts. Week ago that was really the key fact but go on. Whereas i am what i just said well again. I don't think it's inaccurate. Just irrelevant but they are going to impeach president trump again. The votes exist all the democrats and more and more republicans signing on how many will end up being at the end of the day. Be very interesting to see. i guarantee you. There are number of republicans that are on the phone with various strategist and donors right now. Trying to figure out how they're gonna vote and wishing they had time for a poll polo the district. Liz cheney came out republican daughter of dick cheney big deal in the house of representatives among republicans came out yesterday and we'll have to read what she said. It was pretty strong She said what trump did was the worst thing any presidents ever done and she's absolutely voting to impeach. So i don't know if that gives cover to a number of house. Republicans that would have not otherwise voted. Yes but we'll see later. It does in a way but there are absolutely factions within the republican party and she represents the old school mainstream Big business republican party. That ignored the working people of america for so long they turned donald trump and so she was a no vote last impeachment. Yeah that's true and it will provide some cover. But i think there are plenty of folks who just look at her as a swamp creature so you know she won't change those mines. We were talking last hour. About how all the heated rhetoric the dehumanizing of the people who disagree with you the rest of it could easily lead to a northern ireland or rwanda style spasm of violence. We're doing everything they did. Oh and actually the The balkans another example with the serves of the cross and the muslims and the rest of it all ethnic cleansing similar stuff going on. And we'd like to think we're unique in america because our we've been You know the world's oldest democracy we've got this incredible constitution. We've always been unified to a large extent. We like to think you can happen us. I think it can. And here's a great example of it. Everybody's yellen about the jackasses who stormed the capital california democratic party is facing backlash. And we're looking for the tape which is inexplicably difficult to find but it happened after they referred to people campaigning. To recall governor gavin new cellini coup. This recall this is rusty hicks. Who's a union. Goon is an activist chairman of the california democratic party. He said and i quote this recall effort which really ought to be called. The california coup is being led by right wing conspiracy theorists white nationalists anti vaccination groups encourage violence on our domestic institutions. Today we're here to say enough is enough a said. Where's the direct quote that the that the people mentioned white nationalist that want gavin newsom out because he ate at the french laundry out exactly and he said that the people who stormed the capital some of the individuals and groups who are encouraged by california republican leaders and who attacked. The people's house are also engaged in a recall. Effort against governor governor gavin. Newsom right here in california so those who stormed the house and killed the policemen and led to all that violence. That's who's leading the coup. Or that's who's leading the coup or the recall. Ever now if you convince people of that rusty you utter prostitute for the unions interests. What do you think that justifies the capitol police justified mason people and shooting people th- justified violence. So if you're saying anybody who's pro recall. Is those people then. You've just justified violence against them and their little Tables were there collecting signatures for instance or if they're going door to door. Or what have you. I assume that statement is since last wednesday. What you just. Yeah he yes yeah. He said the people doing the recall are the people who stormed the capital. Okay now obviously obviously wouldn't reference that prior to it it's highly unlikely So there's a pretty good example of someone not interested in lowering the temperature right and part of it and i've left this out so far is nothing breaks through but hyperbole well and my concern is in i agree. I think there's serious danger of this all actually coming apart and too many people and ted cruz would be you know part of the crowd who thinks you know. We're so solid we can. We can throw around. You know anything and we'll still be all right. These are all just political maneuverings. Just positioning yourself right. Nothing's gonna come out of this. You can drive signalling you can you. Can you can act like an election was actually stolen and then nothing will battle. Haven't and i think they're taking way too much for granted which is which is interesting when you're a conservative especially because that's the whole conservative that Stability is you gotta tenuous very the weak grasp on that and it could fall apart at any point. And that's why you want to conserve things but My concern is that human nature. So we've been talking a lot about tribalism over the last several years and how we have a tendency to get into tribes and that's the way of protect yourself that tribalism only gets ramped up as the as the danger gets greater and it becomes more you get more and more of a mindset of. I've got to pick a side. My life is at stake. My kids lives are at stake. I got to pick a side. This is my side and you you you know all the details go out the window you just aside because everything is at stake. Yeah this kind of self perpetuating that way. you're right. So what are the questions that we had and a number of people had after the storming of the capital was who was zip. Tie guy all black zip tie guy. And what was he going to do with those zip ties. Well he's been identified as one. Eric montreal i believe he's a retired lieutenant. Colonel in the air force but there are security pictures of him before during and after the siege in which he's stopping at a local starbucks to grab a coffee with his mom and there is again with his mom going up to capitol steps and clearly identifiable nicer new. Some of your mom at is kind of nice anyway. Apparently he's more fond of his wife and his his mom rather than his ex wife who reported in to the feds. The retired air force. Lieutenant colonel can thank his ex wife for his arrest. Well now this is a different name. Now they're calling him brock. He was the guy photographed holding zip ties. Inside the senate chamber was pretty easy to id decked out in body armor military helmet and a tag with a punisher skull but his former spouse provided further until the law enforcement is wife of eighteen years called the fbi on friday. I don't know why we know that. But recognized him from his get up and he was arrested shortly afterward and is facing one count of knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building etcetera etcetera. Very long one count of violent entry and other stuff that often these initial charges are just a pretext to hold somebody till you get to what you really want to choice. Still don't know if larry rendall brock. So i would like to apologize. To mr mueller. Whoever you are there were two people with zip ties. There was one that was all in black and then the second one had his face exposed this guy. I think that The ex wife won't allow. Yeah yep a lot of people were assuming zip ties are for abducting people are holding them for whatever. Whatever you're gonna do hostages. Or i don't know what do we have any idea what they're going to do with zip ties. No not yet the fbi. I mean they've got these guys in cells and they're talking to with lawyer. they'll find out. i guess. Is there a chance that everybody vastly underestimated the size of the cunanan crowd. Feel like this has got a lot more to do with it than than than than the media kind of built up q. And on for a long time new york times Know msnbc talking about. I am not sure. Even i even after it cunard's getting enough of the credit for the whole thing. I i don't think you and on has anything unless i'm wrong. I've read a fair amount of cunanan not coming across the the the white supremacy park on. It's a different thing. Yeah there are a bunch of overlapping websites and groups. And i was talking to agenda yesterday said the whole chan world Fourteen eight chan. The rest of it. People aren't mentioned in that enough because a lot of the stuff goes on there. And actually i talked to somebody. I know very very well. And i'll leave it there who said When he was younger he used click around in those boards to to find out what was going on and And he realized that he was being recruited on a pretty regular basis sure and he said he became aware of how the us jokes they make jokes about or whatever to see how you react and if you react not at all or or or badly they think okay not so fertile grounds like trying to figure out if a guy smokes pot or as a swinger or whatever sort of thing right yes to both just speaking for myself. But didn't they break kid. Didn't they just bust a one hundred person. Swinger club thing and la or something. Yeah we're. I'm betting the i think it was a couple of hundred people. But yeah yeah. La that's gross. That's so gross. Now it wasn't a couple of hundred people orgy. It was just Swingers thing maybe play some sort of hotel room key gamer. The party is over. got him to attain morning. People were at this location. We were on and detained probably closer to honor people. La county sheriff's parma was out tonight to enforce public health order and we will continue to do so. Is there reason you have to talk to swingers in a sing song voice. I'm sure it's an experience law enforcement officer. He's realize you must come down with your hands up doesn't work yomas come down with your hands marty. Gobert put on your underwear. You will be arrested. Almost said something terrible home we. What was it amazing. say it. It's amazing when the restraint part of your brain kicks in milliseconds before something out of your mouth is no. Yeah that needs to be studied more. Yeah for the first thirty years of my life or so. it didn't some kind of. Hey here's the opening line from a brilliant piece by the brilliant. Dr thomas sowell. it's amazing. How many people have seemed to have discovered last wednesday that riots are wrong and he makes a point that's been made by others but he makes it better and he goes on to some other stuff that i think is really great. Want to share that with you. The salad fluids with rando. That's disgusting man gonna get ours. The armstrong and getty show i miss speaker of in his opening remarks democrat share. The rules committee said that republicans last week voted to overturn the results of an election guests. Who the first objector was on january. Six thousand seventeen first objector. The democrat chair the rules committee and guess which state he objected to alabama the very first day called. Alabama president trump. I think one alabama the like eighty point actually want to buy but he wanted by thirty points they can object. They can object to alabama and twenty seventeen but tell us we can't object to pennsylvania and twenty twenty one pennsylvania. The state supreme court just unilaterally extended the election friday pennsylvania where the secretary of state unilaterally change the rules. Okay so you understand. And this hasn't been getting enough attention. This is not. This does not excuse for anybody. Who's smart enough to understand anything. This is not excuse storming capital beating people to death at cetera et cetera et cetera. But we've gotten this way little by little by little of these ridiculous performative political won't performances barbara boxer. Who's in the news for being a chinese something or other barbara. Is there any big time california politician. Who's not in bed with the chinese boxer. Feinstein swallow. Well what the hell. Anyway you're saying former senator boxer california who stepped down and comma harrison. It being senator barbara boxer. She objected as a us. Senator to confirming the electoral college results in ohio. Back when bush one. While i mean we've been growing it that way for a long time. These you knew gonna win. You knew you didn't have the facts on your side but you're trying to signal every everybody that you're fighting real hard and you hate this person and grows little by little by little. Don't do things that are performative acts. Let's start. Let's just stop with that. Yeah i wish i wish. The voice of reason could overcome the howling mob but as long as they get results from that sort of thing. It's gonna be tough to stop it. So the republican objections completely unprecedented except for the precedence. Recently that were democrats. i mean. Just got the hypocrisy and then and then the the secret sauce that makes the dissolution of the union possible is the media being complicit the media refusing to tell the truth. And actually i want to get to thomas o. Ell who's who's talking about that in brilliant fashion next segment because we wanna leave plenty of time for it but you know. I'm looking at this story about the chairman of the california democratic party saying that the recall effort is being led by right wing conspiracy theorists white nationalist santa of actors and groups who encouraged violence on our democratic institutions. When it's a bunch of law abiding folks. You gavin newsom is a putz and a hypocrite. He was followed by a number of elected. Democrats who reiterated the argument. There's a fresno city council member who cares who called the effort treasonous former assembly member current san diego mayor. Todd gloria. i'm looking at you todd. My boy he said he appreciated quote the opportunity to draw a straight line from the horrible events of last week in washington. Dc to the current events here in california but then asked by a reporter for evidence that the proud boys or any extremist groups had any ties to the recall efforts rusty hicks professional liar in union. Goons said well follow up with you with some specifics Yeah it hasn't produced any unbelievable. I'd like to thank the l. a. Times some really good solid reporting on this well done. Let's see it's ben christopher. I'm sorry that's at cal matters. I read about it at the la times though. They're doing it as well but Ben christopher cal matters doing some good reporting thank you so we We failed to mention this. You've got mentioning it liz. Cheney one of the most important members of the house and the republican side coming out yesterday's number three republic number three republican in voting for impeachment and she gave a speech about it mitch. Mcconnell is reportedly told confidence that he believes trump crossed the line conducted an impeachable offense and believe it. If i hadn't seen that natsios i would leave it. Except for mcconnell's offices do not denied the reports and mcconnell fought pretty hard against impeachment last time around. Yeah and he's not denying every news outlet yesterday saying that mcconnell has told people that trump committed an impeachable offense and they say he is furious with trump and blames the president for the republican losses. The republicans losing the senate by losing georgia which I'm sure that's true Yes yeah yeah it absolutely a depress turnout of weeks. Long assaults on the governor and the secretary of state. I mean it just. It couldn't have helped so now. Mcconnell believing trump committed an impeachable offense. Does it mean he thinks the best political move is to try to get impeachment done. Though those are two different calculations indeed indeed real wisdom by one of the greatest americans living thomas sowell coming up next armstrong and getty philippine calendars a great time to think of fresh starts and clean slates and nothing is more fresh and cleaned and clearing out your driveway. Donate that car. You're not using to kars. 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That's kars with a k. K. a. r. s. The number four kids k. I. d. s. dot org slash armstrong. Kars four kids dot org slash armstrong. Do it today. The armstrong and getty show ben and jerry's announced yesterday that will launch a new line of frozen dog. treats perfect. If your dog just got broken up with took me a minute kind of funny. Yeah so the house is currently debating impeachment and then they're going to have a vote. Everybody expects it to pass the only real drama is how many republicans vote yes which might be an indication of how many republican senators would vote. Yassin is there. are there enough. Republican senators to remove the president. Cnbc had a reporter today. Say saying they're talking to people in the republican senate who believed. They have the seventeen to boot him. Cnbc cnbc the business reporting is usually a little more sober than the you know nbc and msnbc a lot. Although i believe there would be like you know. There's a tipping point. Now if you're kind of on the fence and you all those guys are gonna vote. Yes well the nominee yes. That's our true enough. I was about to offer you a bet that the senate doesn't take it up at all really. That mitch drags his feet till after the inauguration than the democrats say. We're gonna wait one hundred days like representative cleaver suggests well the earliest thinking it started is the nineteenth which is the day before biden becomes president right. Why is that something to do with the way. The senate works all one hundred. The senate runs on tubes and they have to warm up because when they wrote the rules out with bird feathers and dipping it in ink. They took a long time for things to get from one place to another. They can change that but it would take all one hundred senators to agree. That's why it is the world's greatest deliberative body hardly getting finger gone unless you get exactly well but it's designed to be that way. Everybody buddy has cooled off by the time they get down to voting on something. It's actually brilliant but slow frustrating at times. Although again i say it just won't be taken up and as nuggets data will be behind us but i thought this his absolutely absolutely brilliant thomas l. The of the philosopher read the first chapter of his book a conflict of visions. You'll understand politics a lot better. the rest of it will just give you headaches because it's too smart anyway. He writes a column. And i'm going to jump around a little bit just so i'm not reading it you for the next ten minutes but it's absolutely worth reading in. Its entirety will posted at armstrong and getty dot com. Just a few minutes but he starts with. It is amazing. How many people seem to have discovered last wednesday. That riots are wrong when many of those same people apparently had not noticed that when rights went on for weeks or even months in various cities across the country last year for too many people especially in the media what is right and wrong. True or false depends on who it helps or hurts politically. Too many media people were supposed to be reporters act as if they are combatants in political wars. And someone wants said that in war. Truth is the first casualty that has certainly been so in the media and in much of academia as well and then he spends a few paragraphs deconstructing the idiot is he calls it grotesque distortion that abraham lincoln's name should be taken from schools and statues and parts because he saw black people as property such criticism betraying incredible ignorance of history or else a complete disregard of the truth. But again i won't get into that because it's it's it's a great illustration but it's a little long then. He gets into many schools closed. Because of the corona virus and the teachers unions and many schools in minority neighborhoods failed to teach children enough math and english back when they're still open so it is incredible that school authorities have time to spend on ideological crusades like removing names than statues from schools. Unfortunately too many american educational institutions from elementary to universities have become indoctrination centers and the riots that swept across the country last year fruits of that indoctrination and the utter disregard for other people's rights that accompanied those riots. And here's where he gets into the main point to me at the heart of that indoctrination a sense of grievance and victimhood when others have better outcomes probably worth mentioning. Thomas is a black man These better outcomes which are automatically called privileges and never achievements regardless of what the actual facts are facts. Don't matter such issues anymore than facts mattered. When smearing lincoln any underrepresentation of any group in any endeavor can be taken as evidence or proof of discriminatory bias. But those who argue this way cannot show us any society anywhere in the world at any time during thousands of years of recorded history that had all group for presented proportionally in all endeavors which is a great like more eloquent 'lustration of wia call california cal cornea for realism is gone to die. They imagined some sort of fantasy land where people ride unicorns across rainbows and everybody's proportionately represented in everything. It's never existed then. I love this in the national hockey league. The american national hockey league there are more players from canada than there are players from the united states. There are also more players from sweden than from california. Even though california's population is nearly four times. The population of sweden californians are more underrepresented in the nhl than women are in silicon valley. But no one claimed this is due to discriminatory by by the nhl is far more obviously due to people growing up in cold climates. That are more likely to have ice skating experience. This is one of many factors. The factors that produce skewed statistics in many endeavors discriminatory. Pious is those factors but it has no monopoly yet. Who cares about facts anymore. In this age of indoctrination. Thomas soul senior fellow at the hoover institution stanford university cal unicorn. Hey now that's great. Oh and then A colleague is posted. This chart love this chart. It's mark perry who i've quoted before and of course the website resets the top of the page. And not where. I was on it. Permit me to scroll if i might This is another. One of his is brilliant charts. He's the same guy who brought us chart that showed that Native born black people under earned compared to african immigrants by significant percentages and And then oh come on come on mark you and this one is about Asian women compared to a white man. In america white male americans earn on average fifty seven thousand dollars a year slovak american women earn another five hundred dollars. It's another thousand dollars for palestinian american women ukrainian-americans top those korean japanese armenian lithuanian. I'm coming up in income. Slovene russian-american women lebanese-american women chinese american women iranian american women. Turkish american women asian indian. American women taiwanese-american women earn twenty. One thousand dollars. More per year than white male americans so these disparities proof discrimination or does the disparity prove discrimination hypothesis only apply selectively. The findings are consistent with the most recent wage and salary data from the bureau of job statistics showing that in the third quarter of this year. The median weekly earnings for asian women working full-time was nine point. One percent higher than the meaning median earnings of white males. My personal experiences. Nobody's more dedicated to academics and success than asian women. No it's well that may be true but it's discrimination jack. It's it's you see. The disparity disparity proves discrimination not hard work. Not education discrimination. It's all the big lie the idea that we're gonna tear apart society and the economy based on this even. If it were true it would be a bad idea. But it's a lie and of rant got more on that for later but i. This is my favorite headline of the day. I haven't looked into the story at all drunk. Couple attempts epic dirty dancing move snaps neck instead. Oh that's That's terrible whose neck got snapped hers. Because i don't know it's a picture here still from the video. He's holding her upside down his head bam thinking at certain but the way his head is underneath her body could be his neck. Wow you're going to get into the story. I don't ever looked into it. Don't imitate dirty dancing drunk or sober did you. What did you see the video. That i tweeted out yesterday the The people going berserk oana dude in an airport. No no i did not We should play that they just give you a allow an idea of the level of anger. That's out there That he could run into. You know who is who is the do. do you know It was a quote rhino. I believe but Oh yeah trying to get the deal. I'll bring that to you because that's worth getting. I'm trying to get details from the drunk couple. Okay here we go. I got a second and intoxicated. Dance teacher redefined break dancing after landing horribly on her head. While trying to recreate baby and johnny's iconic lift from dirty dancing with her boyfriend. Okay they were they were. They were hammered at the time. Well that's not a good story now. it's not. Don't don't try to do something like that when you're super drunk though one more reason just a never dance. That's what i take from that story so you don't take from that. Don't drink so much. Don't dance so much. If they just been drinking they'd be fine. Tell me i'm wrong anyway. The videos making the rounds Love there's video. That's there in the video. That's making the rounds at of videos are making the rounds like there are two videos making the rounds like one hundred thousand a second posted the tiktok but a one of them is a people getting screamed at an airport here. This just because the level of anger is unlike anything i've ever seen in my lifetime. Text line four one. Five two nine five k. ftc the armstrong and getty show. So let me set up this clip by saying we have allowed this to happen. And you know most of america thought it was perfectly okay that a group of angry people walked up to mitch mcconnell and his wife in a restaurant and got in their face and screamed at them that a group of people walked up sarah huckabee in a restaurant and screamed at her until she had to leave and then chased her down to the next restaurant and he had to leave their until she finally had to go home. We'll let numskull. Maxine waters gave that speech. I'm sure we could dig up the tape where she tells people to do that. You see anybody from this cabinet on the street you surround him you scream at them you let them know they're not welcome. I hate to respond to arguments. That are being made in my face but i follow enough of this on twitter that anytime. Anybody says what. I'm just saying you're cues of what aboutism or you're just saying. What about this. I'm saying that if we allow this to happen there's going to be a response on the other side and that side go further and then the other side will go further in the next thing. You know you're storm in the capital. Just don't allow this sort of behaviour right period. Call it out. Wait are you with your. What is what aboutism argument. It's not an argument. I tweeted this out yesterday. This is People i think they're all wearing trump gear but there Th the some of them are and they're getting in this dudes face. It's a democratic congress person at an airport pretty empty airport except they recognize him in there in the space point with their finger rightness face so you feel absolutely physically threatened especially after what happened last wednesday. It's about two minutes long. There's a lot of f bombs and everything like that. We couldn't believe all of it. But here's just a taste and tv ending. Only your car. Business people opera and Screaming about the voting machines and hugo chavez and the whole works right well. How different was that from the blm goons surrounding people trying to eat their dinners agreement with their visas and they raised their fists. Nothing's the same nothing different. It's the same. And i want it to stop all stop. The everybody should have been arm and arm on the media left and right that that is not okay. You don't get to scream at people sitting outside at a restaurant eating secretly like dinner table invest. You don't get to say well you can understand why they're so angry if you do that. This is what you're gonna get and then it's just going to keep getting worse so it's so maddening to me. It's so obvious to me. You can't allow it at any level from any side a guy out of able to walk through the airport without fearing for his life. Well if you see by the way. I tweeted that out on our account and almost everybody agreed because i tweeted out. I said this is not okay and almost everybody agreed. This was not okay right right. Well you've talked about the eighty percent or eighty ninety percent of us who are saying controlling the conversation as opposed to the five percent on each end of the political spectrum. And you know there's there's so much whipping up of people with apocalyptic language that you've convinced them what they're doing is justified even if they have the same moral code is you and a lot of your teeth types. Don't a lot of your duties on the left a don't but if you convince somebody who is who thinks of themselves as good moral person that you are preventing death disaster and and the falling of the republic will that's when you get good people do bad things and that's that's when it gets extra dangerous we got this note from i'll just call them animus but he he tells the story of listening is a child with his dad who we've talked to a couple of times and now he's a military officer so he says now that i've made you feel old. Here's the point of my after after watching what has transpired over the last few months. I've seen some eerie parallels between what's occurring in our streets today to To the lead up to what was known as the troubles in northern ireland. So you have. A minority group or groups feels as though they're being treated unfairly by the perceived ruling class staging large demonstrations throughout the country that sometimes end in riots as the catholic nationalists said. there's a faction who sarah shares similar religious or anarchists political values. That have been known to utilize violence with ames and ultimately creating a marxist state. We have that in the us. A group that feels strong ties to the british government or the government. In general from it feels a stronger tie as a brit than their fellow irishman. A a police group have been accused of targeting the minority group utilizing brutal attacks to crackdown on demonstrations. The riots kept getting more and more violent between the four groups in their respective paramilitary wings to the point where the british army was sent in to quell. The violence sound familiar ultimately sparking the troubles over the next thirty years. Some thirty six hundred people thirty years. Yeah thirty six hundred people killed thirty. Three thousand people wounded the population of northern ireland. Topped out during this period at one point six million people averaging out to about two point. Four percent of the population being killed or wounded to put that in perspective is such an event where to occur in the us current population seven point. Nine million people would be killed or wounded. So and and you want to talk about rwanda you wanna talk about the former yugoslavia the balkans etc. It's the same stuff in the same way. I don't want my kids to grow up in a country where i tell them when they're older. You know it didn't used to be like this didn't used to be like this that if somebody found out you were a democrat or republican you know a crowd gathering starts screaming at you right. It didn't use to be like that really. what changed. Well it was little by little and everybody on one side the their side was okay to do it and the other side thought it was. Okay if there's i did it and it just grew and grew and grew as people realized you actually benefit from them. That's what mark stein was saying. When he lived in ireland. He said people these groups were getting something for this. We're getting attention the other side's backing down a little bit. We're getting rewarded for our actions. So the other side doesn't of course right well in a few. Do something that you might think you know semi horrendous. But then you have the washington post and new york times silent. Msnbc makes excuses for you and encourages you to do it. More as does c. n. nbc abc. It's just going to grow and grow and grow. Have we've talked about a lot of stuff over the decades that we've been doing this show you know and a lot of it was important but not like this. I mean we're on the verge of a point of no return where there's just putting it back together again. Not for a long time like that. Thirty years in ireland thing now. Some of you don't want to hear this. And that's fine you tune out in as i often say go with god go and peace and and i wish nothing but health and happiness but i'm hoping the departure of trump will remove because everybody on the left was so fanatical about trump from the beginning. I mean some legitimate objections but lots of just fanciful bullets. Russian collusion the most notable example. But i'm hoping when trump leaves the excuse. The media has for chucking all of their principles for throwing away everything. The journalist is supposed to be that excuse will be gone. And they'll they'll find their conscience again. I'm hoping maybe the cooler heads will prevail and not be running away in terror from the new york times newsroom because the young whoa crowd. I'm hoping they'll lose that. Rallying point trump and fall apart. Because if we don't have an honest media were doomed. Impeachment isn't going to help with that effort. Not i don't think it is not at all. So how's the vote and going is that started yet. Hasn't started when it does start. We'll tell you all about it and getty the buck sexton podcast. We are on defense big time and a lot of us got used to be in on political offense for a few years but the pendulum has swung far the other side now. This is not a cause for despair. A cause for looking at the reality and preparing for it and understanding who you trust who you're alongside and how we move forward together. The buck sexton podcast. Get it for free. Daily on the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Or wherever you find your podcasts.
Julian Castro takes on Police Brutality
"Hi, I'm Greg Thomas travel editor at the San Francisco, Chronicle and host of the wild west podcast. If you like getting into the outdoors and exploring California, wild west is a great listen. Tune into here. Exclusive interviews with the world's top adventure. Athletes, like rock climber. Alex Honolulu who came onto talk through his incredible free solo climb of El capitan in Yosemite. Big part of the film is like the whole love story with my girlfriend and all that. But I hadn't even met her when we started listen in wherever you get your podcasts wild west. Welcome to. It's all political. The San Francisco Chronicle's political podcast. I'm Joe garafolo the chronicle senior political writer today in the podcast, we have presidential candidate who Leon Castro, the chronicles DC correspondent, tell in an I interviewed him recently in San Francisco. And we asked him about a new program, he's rolling up the take on police brutality. You also talk about his suggestions about housing ever. He was housing secretary under President Obama. We ask them why he's not connecting with Tino voters yet even though he's the only Latino candidate in the race next Leon Castro on. It's all. Critical. Hi, I'm king Kaufman and shoots your century, not your century. It's a daily podcast where we celebrate the news and the newspapers of days, gone by give us a few minutes every weekday. We'll tell you a story and then we'll return you to yours. Secretary lancaster. Welcome back to it's all political. Thanks for having me, glad to be here at the California Democratic party convention. So you you're rolling out a new policy that is about policing and tell us a little bit about this. And this is this is based a lot about the neighborhood you grew up in San Antonio for the experiences. You've had there. Yeah. I mean today, no matter who you are. You see these videos over and over and over again, of police officers unnecessarily using force shooting sometimes killing, especially young black men. Savan Clark is a good example of that across the bay. And Oakland and I've said that this is not just the case of few bad, apples, although I do believe there are a lot of great police officers. These videos are evidence that the system itself is broken. And that this is an epidemic every year about a thousand people are killed by police disproportionately black men. I'm releasing a plan to address reform in policing in the United States to ensure the no matter who you are that you're treated the same under the law. And apologies for background noise store listeners. We're doing this literally that, that boo was not for me. Unrelated? So this sorry, no. Maybe like I'll glad to we didn't smell glad to spell it out a little bit. Yeah. Posting after you. Okay, so, so this system is broken. So let's fix it. My plan says we should fix it by doing three basic things number one that we should, and overaggressive policing, I would stop the program that sell surplus military weapons military equipment to police. Because I believe that's contributed to overaggressive policing over the last twenty five years or so. I would also work with congress to end practices, like stop and frisk and racial profiling, in addition to that, I would add accountability for police officers and police departments into the system right now, for instance, if you have an officer that uses excessive force, it's voluntary as to whether the police department that he or she works for has to report that to the FBI. We have no real way of tracking officers that are using excessive force, and their officers that use excessive force repeatedly. I want to track that I wanna make that database public and share that with hiring departments of police hiring officers police departments across the country, so that we don't get that officers that are going from one department to another. I would also. Create a national use of force standard. That would say that it's only appropriate to use force, lethal force. If there's imminent threat to life and all other alternatives have been exhausted. All other reasonable alternatives have been exhausted. And that, if a department police department does not adopt that Sander and a civilian unnecessarily gets killed by police officer. They would risk losing their federal funds. The local law enforcements can say this is the feds coming and big footing him. What do you what do you say that when local law enforcement says, you know, this is this is not the federal government's priority or purview. I'd say that's part of why we have such a big problem out there. Is that in too many police departments? The fact that young black men are being treated differently. From other people is not taken as seriously as it should be. And. I believe that the that a national standard actually makes sense because why would somebody treat you differently, if he or she is a police officer in Birmingham, Alabama versus San Antonio, Texas versus here in San Francisco? I just disagree with somebody that would say that, that, that standard for when an officer should fire their weapon at somebody should be different just because you're in the south versus you're in Texas versus you're in Wyoming versus you're in California. No, it should be the same. And I spoke with the voter after the move on event where you sort of debuted this, and you, you came out to the crowd, and started, you know, saying their names to sort of use the hashtag, but the names of many of these men have been killed stuff on Clark, of course, locally Philander Casteel, Tamir rice. I mean unfortunately it's quite a long list. And you know, this winter was telling me how, how please she was to see a democratic candidate, you know, in the mainstream sort of race using such progressive language. Black lives. Matter has become a bit of a hot button. How did you make the decision to sort of go straight for it and say, their names and really? Call out especially you know with seen as a black issue as the only Latin candidate Latino Kenan, I actually did that at my announcement speech that was part of my announcement speech. So from the very beginning, I've done that as a candidate and number one, it comes from basic respect for them, and for their families, and for people who have suffered like them that I, I believe we can't forget them, and their deaths should not be in vain, and that we need to fix our system inspired by what happened to them. But then, Secondly, I don't think that the media have noticed yet, and I think a lot of American voters haven't noticed yet, but if people are looking for what's going to distinguish. Me from many of the candidates out there. It said, I've been fearless on these issues by was the first one to come out with an immigration policy, when people are running away from it. People think that oh, how are you gonna take Trump on when he's able to fear mongering and scare people and get his electoral college victory in certain states because he turns these people into the enemy. I said, no, we know that we're right? There's a better way to fix our broken immigration system, that calls on people to use compassionate commonsense, instead of cruelty, and I, I put out the first comprehensive plan almost two months before anybody else did same here. I'm not afraid to take on this issue just because some people think that it's controversial because it's the truth, and it needs to be fixed and switching gears a little bit. You know, being in San Francisco housing, the cost of living homelessness, huge problems, and they've been getting worse. And you were the secretary of housing and urban development for years under Obama in we didn't actually see a huge change. That problem has been progressing. So why do you think it's been getting so much worse whited? You know the attempts to do anything about it not make a dent and what you see going forward. We'll during those Obama years homelessness in the United States, actually decreased. And veteran homelessness decrease between twenty ten in two thousand sixteen by forty seven percent part of the reason for that was that we were, there was a blueprint called opening doors whose goal was to end homelessness, and there was real alignment and focus and investment in congress at that time as the recovery was happening, actually dedicated more resources than they had in a long time to address things like homeless, however, in the last couple of years, you have seen, especially the number of unsheltered homeless start rising quickly again. And for west coast cities, LA San Francisco, Portland, Seattle Malulu if that's been happening for some time. And so what I've said is that it's been forty years since we've made a tremendous unnecessary investment in housing supply, affordable housing supply before the debate on June twenty six I'm going to release a housing plan that will call for a big investment in affordable housing with the goal. Of making sure that people have a safety in place to live, and including tackling homelessness. As the only Latino candidate in the race, you're still pulling one percent among Latino voters certainly here in even in California. Why is that? And what are you gonna do to, to branch out? Just name. I d there twenty three candidates in the race. And when I started this in January, I starting from scratch in the sense that I hadn't run for president before had not run for Senator or governor, even though I have some of the most relevant experience for the job because I've served as a federal executive as a cabinet member. And as the mayor of the seventh largest city in the country. So it's just been a process for me of doing hard work. What people see is that in the polling average climbing little by little making steady progress, we've gained significantly from where I started in the beginning, I made the debate I was one of I think I was maybe the eighth or ninth candidate to hit both thresholds for the debate on polling and fundraising. I'm confident that I can make the September debate and I'm doing what our families do out there, which is just to, to work hard and that's paying off. I see more people coming to my events, whether it's here in California or Iowa, New Hampshire, my fundraising has exhilarated, a lot in the second quarter versus the first getting more media attention. And then when I get up and on compared to other candidates, whether it's at an event like this or at the move on for him yesterday. I think I do well. And if you gauge by the talk afterward, the buzz afterward I do well in the comparison some looking forward to the debates and there are a lot of candidates over the years, whether it was Jimmy Carter Bill Clinton or others. That started off between one and three percent. And you know, just because he start off there. It doesn't mean you, you're not gonna win. I believe that, that, by the time I will caucus on February third of next year, that I'm going to be a front runner. And by the time you vote here in California, that I can win the California primary on March third what's been your take away from this weekend. Meet expectation exceed expectation surprises, though, it's always need to be here in California. I mean California Democrats alike. No other. I mean, they're super active. They're committed to progressive values. It's been great to feel the enthusiasm out there to get this sense of hope, because too often times when we look at what's happening in Washington. It seems hopeless. But what you what you feel here. What you hear. Here is the sense of hope and also resolved and resistance. Resolve to, to win in twenty twenty for the right reasons. Is there a concern? Do you think that there's a concern out there that someone who is Latino would not be the right person to take on? I'm talking within the Democratic Party to take on Trump because that's someone could easily malign is as he has since day one of his presidency. Do you think you hear that sense out there? There may be some people that believe that, but look, Donald Trump was a new type of candidate and I'm convinced we're only gonna beat him with a new type of candidate. The same old stuff is not going to win anymore. And Obama was a new type of candidate that was able to forge a new powerful and exciting coalition. I believe that I can also forge a young diverse powerful coalition of people from different backgrounds that I can go and get back those eighty thousand votes that we lost Michigan. Wisconsin in Pennsylvania by because those are very close. I can go get those. And I'm the best hope that our party has to actually go and get the eleven electoral votes. Zona the twenty nine electoral votes of Florida and also the thirty electoral votes in my home state of Texas. There we go. Secretary castro. Thank you. It's awful again. I'd like to thank you all for listening. I like to thank tole copen for joining me to interview secretary Castro I like to thank secretary Castro for being on. It's all political have remember, whether you're low in the polls are not. It's all bullet. It's all political as part of the San Francisco, Chronicle podcast network, Audrey Cooper is our editor in chief, our music, our theme music that we have is cattle called that's written by Randy Clark, and performed by Randy Clark and close on if you'd like this show. Subscribe rate and review, it on apple podcasts or wherever you listen. For more great journalism like this. Subscribe to the San Francisco Chronicle at San Francisco, Chronicle dot com slash subscribe. You can find me on Twitter at Joe Garre folding. Thanks.
337 Teaser - Kamala's Masonic Police
"Okay all right. Here's Connor A. B.. If you think Marianne Williamson is crazy for talking about the moon and praising love right you to check out Kamala secret three thousand year old Masonic Police Force the here. How does he just post screen shots of four articles here and one headline in says aid to California state attorney accused of running a cult police force claiming to be three thousand years old. What's The pendragon stuff yes. I was thinking correct thing with with actual immature of law enforce suspicion the May sonic fraternal police departments numbers trace their origins to the knights templar aroused when various police chiefs in Southern California received a letter in late January that announced new leadership for. For the group following an investigation officials said sheriff's investigators searched two sites in Santa Clarita and found badges weapons uniforms and law enforcement paraphernalia <hes> here's the lead of well <hes> another story about it. Los Angeles County Sheriff's Captain Roosevelt Johnson thought it was odd when three people two of them dressed in police uniforms he didn't recognize strolled strolled into the Santa Clarita station February one man introduce himself as chief of the Masonic Fraternal Police Department and told Johnson this was a courtesy call to let him know the agency was what's setting up shop in the area. This guy just walked into a police say said Oh hi we're we're. We're the new cops and so that's not just here that is aid you too. Kamala Harris fucking rocks. Did that's domestic gladio. I'm very sorry I ever said a mean thing about you Cordell E._A.. Oh Hey we're fellow cops. NOPE Akari doing of course setting up a conversation and your Eric or doing a call if there's any crime for doing a small business but for local policing as kind of frame that I mean that it does make sense for the if you think Marianne crazy because there is a deep dark psychic psychic problem at the core of literally every one of these candidates so sick. I mean it's capitalism. That's done it but the but the material but like the cultural efflorescence efflorescence of it is just have lost our humanity yeah. It's slowly being leached out of us but it's just I just wish he would name the beast. I can't believe like hambly I believe but it's hilarious that even Kamala Has Weird Occult Secret Society Bullshit around her. I I've decided I believe everything yeah. I'm just giving him going to give. A A preemptive yes to everything I hear from now on the California Democratic Party is sick sick animal. Yeah Oh yeah well. That's the thing it's like anywhere that one one party dominates regardless of which one it is. They are corrupt reactionary forces regard. It's the the Connecticut the fucking Rhode Island or Delaware Democratic Attic Party <hes> obviously any of the southern Republican The New York State Democratic Party Democrats Chicago Illinois Yeah. which is why it's so funny talking about something we haven't discussed was on the show? The tempest from trump tweeting about how shitty Baltimore is if you're you know hey Democrats control and that's a big right wing talking point Democrats run all these bad cities well for one thing look. Municipal Governance is has very little to do with something like I dunno deindustrialization. There's little they can do about it. You know capital fleas secondly even even if they did these terrible shitty Democrats because they are running the places as like a fucking machine yeah.
20201216 Nicole Sandler Show - Political Party Games
"The following program contains graphic material including offensive language fewer. This question is advised. She's got the news. She talks with newsmakers. She encourages us to laugh and she cries with us. Speaking truth to power and questioning authority daily. It's the nicole sandler show all right. Here we go. I still have a reputation to live up to somebody in the chat room says. When does the fucking cursing begin. All right well. I i'll try not to disappoint Here we are It's a one day. I got to tell you i'm a little. I'm a few seconds late getting started. Because frankly i just Oh shoot hold on. I got something we are going on here. Moments ago i had i had a strange thing happened with my damn it. I knew that was going to happen. I had a strange thing happened with my computer in which i was typing in the chat room. I went to tiepolo to the people hanging out in youtube chat room and it was typing backwards seriously. It was and i wound up restarting the computer. And then i realized. I have a spare keyboard and well i had a. I had something sitting on top of the keyboard and it must have been pushing down on a key. That had everything go nuts. So i literally up until the second i came on the air. I was messing with that and i finally got it fixed and it looks like we're all good. We're all good today. We are not on periscope. Or just. Because when i restarted the computer i screwed up that setting and i didn't have time to fix it again. And then i find out. Periscope is going away but it says come. Join us live on twitter. So i guess. Twitter is killing off its periscope streaming service and simplifying it so it's just on twitter which will make things a lot easier. Yeah that's what. I thought dyslexic computer so here we are. There's a you know as usual news happening today. As is al- always the case. These days i remember back. In the olden days there used to be something known as a slow news day. Those those do not exist anymore. Today there was some kind of a hearing in the senate on the fraudulent election. Or something ron johnson of wisconsin had this and it was ugly. It was like going back and forth like arguing on how this election had all this voter fraud. Meanwhile fifty some odd lawsuits and trump didn't win one of them. There is no proof there was but these people are just in denial of reality. It's mind blowing absolutely mind blowing so let me tell you what's going on today last night as i was lying. Sleepless in bed at about two in the morning. I just started reading twitter because it was there and i came across a thread by an old friendly acquaintance of mine a guy named david atkins david atkins outlives out california. And he is a. He recently became a dnc official an elected member of the democratic national committee. And he has his. he's also he's a writer. You may have read his work sometime at washington monthly or the american prospect. And but this time it was a lengthy screed on twitter about what he's learned since becoming an elected member of the dnc. And i found it fascinating. Especially because i am a newly elected sort of a challenger so i just slid right in member a precinct committee person. That's like the lowest rung on the party ladder. And for those of you. Who know me or who've listened to and for any amount of time. You know that. I'm not a party person i'm not a joiner of these things. In fact the only reason i'm registered democrat is so that i can vote in the primaries if that wasn't necessary i wouldn't be but i am and i think i told some of this story before i'll get into more detail as as well. We get into january but a an old friend of mine who died. We lost this year. Mitchell stolberg was the most activist progressive. That i knew here in south florida he was. He was the head of the broward chapter of progressive democrats of america of the florida democratic progressive caucus or whatever their name is it's some convoluted combination of democratic progressive caucus and florida and and other such organizations. He walked the walk or walk the talker. Whoever the saying goes and he had when they were setting up the slate for people to run to be precinct committee people. He had asked me to do it and he said we need. We need to get people participating in because he asked. I did it and then he died and i. It's okay. i did it for him. But i'm doing it for us. State of florida is fucked up. I don't know if you've seen any of the stuff lightly. But our governor. Ron death sentence is literally trying to kill people one he he raided the woman home. Rebecca jones right the data out analyst. Because she wanted to tell the people of florida the truth about how many cases of covid were being reported. How many people were hospitalized. How many people dying. And because she wouldn't go along with death sentences plan to basically lied to the american people. Well i don't know if she was fired or quit and then she started her own little dashboard. Anyway the governor had her targeted her home was raided in the early morning hours guns drawn on her children and husband. I mean it's insane and then today there's another report of falsified information how rhonda santa's would not give out the information given by the government because the government's information didn't jive with the bullshit numbers. He was putting out. This is florida governor. Ron death sentence so meanwhile things are just starting to take shape now that the election. The presidential election is over. the florida. democratic executive committee is beginning to shape up and people are running for leadership roles within the caucus. Now i didn't want i don't have the time in two. I'm not that party person. That's just not me. So but i am attending the meetings doing zoom thing and it is a cluster fuck. I can't broward. Democratic party is the mo broward county is the most democratic county in the state of florida and they just do not have their shit together. Last sunday they held the elections for a state chairman and county or county chairman county committee people and stuff like that. The state elections are still coming up. I think in the beginning of january but broward county we were on this zoom call. I kid you not for six hours on sunday it was. It was embarrassing. And then last night i was on a broward county democratic party monthly meeting zoom call and it was just these people to all right. So that's the reason i'm in so that may be. I can help them get their shit together. I don't know what i can do. But i will try anyway so i have a whole new appreciation for david atkins in what he wrote last night in this long twitter thread on the inner workings of the democratic national committee. And it's frightening. And we wonder why the democrats did so poorly in this election. Look joe biden. One and i think it's because so many people came out to vote against donald trump. I'm sorry i can't do anything if i can't tell the truth and that's it. I really don't think they came out to vote for joe biden. Some did i. I've spoken to a lot of people who think joe biden is great but i think there are a lot more of people like me and many of those never-trumpers as well. Who would have voted for my dog jackson over. Donald trump and jackson would have done a better job as president. And he doesn't have thumbs just saying so you know. I don't want to criticize. But i think we have to hold hate using overused cliches but hold this administration's feet to the fire. That's why we talk about the cabinet. Picks this is why. We talk about criticizing. Because i care. Because i don't want to see him fuck up so we have. We have time to deal with that. I mentioned yesterday. There was a new campaign launching today. And i'm gonna play for you the launch video. It was embargoed until today. I think the time is now that i can play it. It's put forth by route action. And you may know norman. Solomon who's been on this program before he's going to join us on friday to talk about this but he was on with me before the election and the thing that they were pushing then was yes. Vote for biden but we will hold him accountable so now now that it's official at well january sixth. It'll be really official but it's official. Joe biden is president president-elect comma harris the vice president-elect and but but this group is telling them there's no honeymoon so let me share this with you and then i'll tell you what else we're going to do today. Okay okay here we go. Joseph r biden junior is elected the forty six president of the united states. No honeymoon what do we mean by that. We mean that we the people hold the power that we must continue to fight for what is just writing. Good fight against what is not just writing. Good we mean that we must have solidarity commitment one to another. We who believe in freedom cannot rest. What do we mean by back that as long as there are injustices we will continue to fight. What do we mean by that. No that with everyday. Mr only ordinary store neri things happening on starts can we mean teams goals things. We will would've jet those things that do we mean we will be seduced by smiles remedial right now would not relent. And that's what we mean when we say no honeymoon and the wars universal healthcare fight for fifteen dollars racial justice cancel student debt. Green new deal. No honeymoon dot door. And that is the the kickoff video for it and if the voice sounded familiar. Yes that was nina turner who we understand is going to be running to fill the seat. The the congressional seat in ohio being vacated by marcia fudge because she was named to joe biden's cabinet as secretary of housing and urban development. So we'll get into that a little bit more on friday when norman solomon joins us. Okay i wanted to let you know we're gonna have david atkins join us in in the next half hour but right now i want to tell you about something else. That's that's very cool. i'm not. i'm not a gamer. But then again. I'm know i'm old. I'm out of the demo and i used to. I would occupy myself while. I was watching tv by playing video games. Net little phone games. There's one in particular alike. And i've i've stopped at because i took up painting so that it occupies my hands in my mind while i'm watching tv because i do have. Add anyway one way to get young. People involved in the process is by going to where they are. And i think that's what our guest today has in mind. I welcome an malik to the show on there. There you are. I'm sorry you can't see me. I had a windows did an update the other day and it totally on my computer. And i had it working but i had two long story but anyway. I'm sorry you don't have a return video coming but i can see you so thank you for joining us so you. You have a new video game coming out. That's more than just a video game. It's actually a way to help against fight against climate change and covid nineteen. Tell us. tell us what this is all about. So the game's called the promised land and the game itself is a pixel art family friendly pharma game so i heard you saying you might be not not being the demo. You might actually be exactly in the down because it's like the farm game kind of thing where you build a community right. Is that what you do exactly logs in and everyone gets their own farm and basically you're growing crops to the community and it's the utopia so things like the economy or figured out so everyone can live which apparently is tricky in modern times to escape the dystopia. Our president talk about the business behind it too because you really well. So how does a game actually help. Progressive politics against the question will the first thing gaming in this game. It's a very big industry right. Now i think in two thousand nine hundred was an article about pass surpassing the film industry We're now one hundred twenty billion in revenue and obviously twenty twenty with All the events keeping us endures on short it broke that number as well We're building game studio with a bit of a different motive Most game studios working the profit motive and they take investment than they have to render profit for their shareholders right. We're not gonna do that. We're going to have a business model. Where every dollar you spend sixty percent of it will go directly to progressive groups Finding climate change and providing mutual aid trick nineteen we're starting with groups like sunrise organization and We're really excited to partner with that Summer's i should say sunrise movement. They're the ones who pushed the green new deal. They're they're the ones behind it so they are working with you on this. The promised land game. Which by the way you can you. While we're talking you can look at its end development mode now play the promised land dot com is where you find it. I guess that's where you'll play it but right now you're sort of in a crowd sourcing mode to raise money to get it off the ground. Yes so i'm just on one person. In the tech industry over a decade gotten a games of the hobby. Maybe over the last three years. I've been building over the last years myself. so now we're crowdfunding to finish the development. I set up a lot of the initial multiplayer systems and basic farming stuff. But we really need to raise funds for artists and writers to develop content for the game. So we're crowdfunding right now and especially website and go to play the promised land dot com and you can support us right now and right now sixty percents. We'll go to sunrise groups in the future so are crowdfunding business. Model is also unique. It's not a kickstarter. A gofundme me. We're also knew there where the sixty percents starts right from the get-go Obviously he's a forty percent kick along development right now. We're in a closed phase. We're going to launch a closed alpha at the end of the year. And we're selling seats for back. But we're hoping to have a full free to play early access game out sometime next year raised etcetera etcetera nice. So anybody who's interested whether game or you know. I mean farm those. I don't play the puzzles. I do words with friends and things like that. I i am old but this is you. Buy stuff and as you buy things within the community and you build your farm or your neighborhood or whatever you're doing you're doing it in a sustainable way. So you're teaching good habits right but you're also raising money for these organizations and you're being constructive about it. Yes exactly on the exciting thing and this isn't something we're gonna take the free to play business. Model is very big the biggest games that you probably heard fortnight. Use it and the way they work. Is they'll build a community of players playing for free So you just log on a farm and all the game features are available and maybe something like ninety percent of players can display for free with ten percent and sometimes less supporting the entire business by buying largely cosmetic goods. So we'll have different outfits. You can buy something. And hopefully we can correlate that to organizations and so Yet that like you can always steal even if you are spending money on it like you're building something that is moving You know things to the left i guess. Put it that way Or at least in place where we're maybe we could survival but better how we wanna put it and yeah. That's that's that's the kind of the basis for trying to build is a very. It's not a competitive game It can be compared very much to harvest mentor. Started value for those that are familiar But for those unfamiliar wanted to be a very easy game for anyone to pick up Parents children of whomever But obviously we're really hoping to be lifted by the progressive gaming community From the start. So we're crowdfunding now to support us. That'd be great if you wanna if you know someone that's into gaming in your life you could also gift something to them as well. We have that feature the website. So if you wanna just give someone a seat or the closed beta or have someone has some extra goodies. Early access comes out next year. You can support us as little as five dollars and sixty percent of that three dollars so you know it's gonna go towards real progress and keeping the business model sustainable as well. So we're really seeing people for support trying to make something where anybody can contribute. It's kind of like on twitter facebook or whatever you go yell at people keep yelling. You're also building a platform shared by much nazis. Run by some people. I see what you're saying. I thought you were telling me that. They're nazis on your no. They're not they're right now. they're not there. We'll block them. We have no profit motive. That says we need everybody anybody to have that kind of growth structure so we can readily block people who are intolerant. We will now do you come you come from the tech world but are you also involved in in the in the new sunrise movement world. The climate change world is that. Is that why you built this project to work in that area. Yes and no. I wasn't already involved. I guess this is my prime involvement. Hopefully in this game off the ground is a way for them to focus on the movement as opposed to fundraise as much Me personally in two thousand eighteen. I was trying to make games. I thought about a business model where six percent we distribute. I was thinking mostly about progressive campaign some before the reportedly remember in october twelve eighteen. When we got about eleven years to live earned before to agree celsius. We irrevocably changed the world that was alarming and that made me focus on this game because saw a successful business started valley Very popular farm game. But it wasn't multiplayer. So i figured i could bring that together before that. I was working on a game about statements. So maybe one hiccup get back to that but here they're out there and apparently donald trump knows about them but he's keeping it a secret so as not to create chaos like the pandemic where he downplayed it. Because he didn't wanna panic everybody we. I'm sorry i'm stuck on my countdown clock. Thirty four days eighteen hours forty four minutes thirty seconds until he's the next inaugura inaugural happens. I'm a non malik so so the timeframe now is people can go to play the promised. Land dot com support. You get in on the the beta testing or whatever it is. You're going to do as on the way towards building it in launching this thing. Yes yeah and we'll have some people streaming and hopefully over the month of january so you could get a feeling for the content as we go along very cool. I look forward to playing it. Even though i'm not not much. This is not the kind of game that people will log on to watch other people play right. We're hoping real possible. But people people watch all sorts of things and you know what i usually stream this on twitch and i know that's where the gamers hanging out and today because i had technical issues we're not on twitch today go figure anyway non malik very nice to meet you. I hope people go checkout play. The promised land dot com at the very least good on you for trying to take something popular something that Obviously young people are in to get them involved in more important movement. Go where they are and bring them in so thank you for that good to meet you and we'll talk again as you get further along all right. Thank you bye-bye that's interesting good for them. I mean anybody who's going to bring the movement into what they're doing and be creative about it That's a good thing when you're helping out look right now. We are in such a horrible situation when it comes to the planet. And i hate to say but the as bad as things are on every front we also have to worry about what's happening with the planet and this weekend perfect example. There is the biggest winter storm in years. They're saying she scrolls through and tries to find the story hitting the northeast. starting today. the biggest east coast winter storm in years is expected to dump up to two feet of snow on parts of the mid atlantic and northeast today and tomorrow so if you are anywhere from what did they say northeastern georgia to cape cod massachusetts. Oh boy be careful. Okay all right all right. I want to play something for you because you know. I like to play funnies and we have a guy a friend of the show who i met when i invited him on. Actually i had him call in in character because he does if wicked donald trump. his name is jail commun- bright and so he's he called in wants to talk to laffy when asked vodka so we had donald and vodka talking to each other. He called in wants to talk to me and character. You know he's been on a number of times well today. Interestingly enough i go on youtube and there's jail kaufman and his face. And i'm thinking he doesn't look like trump there and he doesn't physically resemble him but he has the persona going and i'm like. Oh my god that looks like mitch. Mcconnell jail carbon now does moscow mitch and he's good here we go take it away. Jail bird our lock converter president-elect euro barton and bosch president on winning the election i have now received permission from ladimir putin chocolate family. Who sold all those opioids devastated many of our constituents that are don curb up and i have to go my fellow. Republicans were my evolves shows battle. But i will continue to stafa gender. Democrats and preside over the loss of life of many americans. So don't worry. I will continue to be the grim reaper. Both human life and as well as democratic agenda to help people so mr president trump. Thank you for charvis. Thank you for being a rubber stamp on all the dodgers that i gave to you. You are now your social. Please shut the fuck up and let me continue to destroy our country in my old fashioned senatorial way. Oh boy okay. So that was Mitch mcconnell the the grim reaper of bills in the senate he. He's good yeah Yeah okay so that happened now. We're in commercials on progressive voices. So we're gonna take a little break. David atkins is gonna join us in a bit. I've got a little other thing to update you on but before we do that. Do you remember at the beginning of the pandemic. i was doing a thing. I called quarantine calling and i called all over the world basically to check in with people who were sheltering at home to stay safe one of the people that are reached out to somebody song parodies. I had been playing. Her name was surely chaban and she's a new zealand and she's actually a school principal but in her spare she's really talented. She's an artist and she does these song parodies. She's really good this one. I'm telling you. I if the if the video gets blocked. It's because it using footage on being prepared to be blocked on youtube. If i have to edited out. I will share this with you because this is quite brilliant. This is the latest from shirley. Chaban you'll recognize the song but make sure to check out her new lyrics take it away. Shirley and the von trapp family singers january twentieth twenty twenty one ranching through wife houses. Every word is absurd turned has gone then. So came through own tran council spokesman house and you will and now i had to dump it because i got a heads up from youtube. We have detected copyrighted audio and video and your stream. Your stream may be temporarily blocked damn it so i'm going to post that whole video. Shirley chaban new york and get me in trouble again. I'll post that home video on the blog today. At nicole sandler dot com. Where where. I post the show her name. Who was the creator. Her name is shirley sir bond. She's a woman in new zealand. Who i i met when i was doing the quarantine calling when we were all at the beginning of the pandemic and she's a principal of a school in new zealand. But she does these wonderful song parodies. And she's gotten huge so again to nicole sandler dot com slash twelve desch sixteen dash twani about an hour after the show at all posted there and you can check out her other videos. Because she's brilliant okay so at the beginning of the program. I was telling you about my sleepless night last night. When i happened upon a twitter thread by by david atkins and david atkins is a writer. You've read him at washington monthly in the american prospect and many other places he is also a regional leader a regional director in the california democratic party and recently be became an elected member of the dnc. And that's what his little twitter thread screed was about last night. So david atkins welcome back to the show. I hope you can hear me. I can you please to be on the thank you for joining us as i told you i when i when i texted you lower. When do you on twitter last night. I'm on the east coast so it's three hours earlier or later here It was the middle of the night. And i got sucked into this threat. You wrote about the dnc. Now you've been. You've been an activist you've been involved in politics for years. Did you know that. The organization itself was so dysfunctional. I knew it had a reputation for dysfunction. A variety of ways are when i there are worse of dnc members who encouraged me to run for the dnc who were complaining about just how dysfunctional it wise And i have been so. I knew some things but i have been surprised Which it's not just dysfunctional. But i think completely opaque a very difficult for anyone who gets elected to it to accomplish almost anything at all and that's faced so so what what do you do as an elected member of the for for the average person and look. I've been active in in politics at from a commentator standpoint for for a long time now and the thing i know about dnc members is there the super delegates ones who come in the party people who sorry put their finger on the scale and decide who. The democratic party is going to nominate in too many cases. Am i off. Base there a little bit and so there's so many misperceptions about the dnc. I it's very challenging to to get through and try to explain some of what's right. What's wrong and and where the correct perceptions and misperceptions are so. I guess what i should start with. Is that the dnc member. There's about four hundred dnc members and each state has different rules. For how the dnc members are picked and most of them are not in fact. Big pretty big wigs. The vast majority of people who actually are dnc members are people who you never necessarily hurt Even if your political so like. I said there's only like four hundred dollars in california. There's a pool of twenty who are elected by the state party's executive for lifelock somewhat people tax and then there's a bunch of appointees that are mostly filling out cert- diversity quotas and quotas and all stuff and but in other states are directly appointed by the governor or by ser carcass or legislators or whatever so different tools of people. Sometimes bigwigs are not known terms of dnc member does. There's actually no major directed so you get on the dnc. And you go there. You're slow chapter meetings a year but the meetings are very top down. There's no real way down in the meeting. We had this year was by zoo and it was webinar stuff. We could not talk to each other our line way of like making motions there. You know So there's nothing there's no there there in terms of being able to do anything the dnc numbers don't even have each other's contact information so we can organized with each other. Wow anything and we don't have anything that we're supposed to do when when we have our new member orientation these things were basically asked to repeat the messaging that comes on from on high from the joe biden harris and all that twitter accounts and to help. Raise money right. That's it that's it. We don't have any particular directives. There's been any insider information really given out. And you think oh you get to be a defense team you get. You know the background on on the lowdown. What's going on behind the scenes. There is no. There's nothing like that. And what's crazy about this. Like i said whether they're appointed by machine party system or whether they're elected more democratically as california as i wants. These are the four hundred top. Democratic activist painted the entire country to serve the national committee. Right and there's no communication power. There's no power there's no communication there's no directives so even at that top level there's nothing for us to do. The people do things insofar things get done. Our campaign staff consoles and the threadbare organizational staff and is not that many right and you said it's like a skeleton crew there. It really doesn't do anything. Everyone else is is unpaid your volunteers. Basically what you say is the the organizations within the dnc. The have power are the d. Triple c and the sec. The the congressional and senatorial campaign arms. So they actually they decide what candidates that they're gonna back and put money into those races. The dnc doesn't do any of that so this goes into another older conception. I should say like the skeleton crew staff positions. They tend to do a lot of things right there. Typically over most to these organizations are short staff or permanent staff side Andy's for the state parties and everything else. As far as this is concerned. This is another broadest. Conception people think the dnc worse hand-in-hand the scc committee that the triple the congressional campaign. I mean in some cases. Yes it's case it's no but there's no actual organizational connectivity is. There is overlap between mike because sub-contractors who might talk to each other back channels again that's bad channels but there's no actual that's insane on this stuff and and like i said like while the dnc rise to get appointed by already big substance. It's a rice luxury Elected in some states. The d triple c the sec. Literally shares of those organizations are picked by the senate democrats or the house democrats and they're run by staff within like appointed by that chair and they're pay and they have paid consultants who are paid for and pitt by the chair. There's literally no pathway to get involved in that unless you came through the campaign or console infrastructure and made it through that there's no internal methods of the democratic party. Wow so now with all the. We're speaking with david atkins and by the way you can follow him on twitter at david atkins and that's where you'll find this thread that was. When did you originally posts yesterday at some point. Okay then so. And i'll put a link to that well on the blog after the show so as somebody who's been is a democrat so i can vote in the primaries here in florida. I've also been highly critical of the democratic party. Of course. I've been more critical of the republican party. I criticize democratic party. Because i want them to do better in fact. I don't know if you know this i actually became a precinct committee woman this month. So i'm just getting involved. In getting my taste of the broward county florida democratic party and the florida democratic party and i purposely as i tend to do put the accent on the dr syllable because it's a disaster everything about in the few zoom meetings that i've attended so far are embarrassingly bad and so. Maybe that's why. I was so intrigued by your thread. Because it's like. Oh my god so i've been critical of the dnc going back. You know. i think the first time. I realized how much vitriol i had for the organization was when debbie wasserman schultz was head of the dnc. She of course is just a district over from me. And i've been hoping that we would that that district that they would they would vote her out but they still haven't and in fact we had a meeting last night there was broward county the december broward county dec meeting and when dad came on zoom. I left. I just couldn't but so my husband just handed me a note. And he said how much of this peres's fault. And i'll say debbie's fault and how much of it is baked in. Yes oh this. Is the thing people talk about their. There's too broad theories like change. The people were or changed structure. And it's a little bit of both jeff. I think the organizational leaders get obviously debbie wasserman schultz huge horrible stakes. That caused black ice to the organization. Compress has been much better chair. But he's horrible. Sorry maybe he's been better but he's terrible error. Huge invalid critiques of the leadership. On just like. I have to say that the dnc has operated in the twenty twenty campaign. Grime hurry lunch. More transparently and fairly twenty scotch. You still huge horrible. Obviously huge problems organizationally and people could talk about it with regard to the instincts political instincts of the individuals involved Peres's a lot more in a lot of people like him or institution focusing a lot of people might like but you know politics is one. Did the reality though is. I like to talk about huge structural problems. Because even if you had someone who's politics aligned perfectly with us whose political progressive personal situation with the way the organization is structured leads to certain incentives and practices that. Make it very difficult to create changes in the last few created. Huge structural changes in your organization and one of those is the fact that they're literally the organizational infrastructure capacity to to implement as a bottom to top small d democratic cultural cultural basically in the organization and to enable her to do this for instance. The dnc doesn't really even do anything by off years. There are four committees. That don't do much of anything. The of the former people serving the dnc seventy five. We did by the chair. There's a resolutions committee with no power forces and the resolutions committee is prevented from going beyond the dictates. Its previous platform so even if the resolutions committee wanted sake. Dnc records for medicare for all literally can't buy its buyouts. Wow and like. I said he doesn't have organizational capacity. I think one of the things we need to back off appear is that the democratic party is made up of thousands of organizations that are all connected by charter flight local clubs who are chartered by the county committing. Right county committees. It's more complicated this but to keep it simply were kind of chartered by their state right and and the states are connected to the nationals of the dnc in the state. Don't really interact that much in swing states predators. It's really the trip and the sec iraq. But there's no ongoing mobilization and no way to connect up off the pyramid so functionally what happens is it's a shout. There's a is a bunch of money comes into the organization like a fire hose and then the leaders of the physicians pink favored consultants and people who came up through campaigns. Pay those people a bunch of money to do things like voter-rich drives or whatever or lots of tv ads. Too many tv ads. Yeah right And some underground mobilization. They'll figure out like how many people they put on the ground for door knocking or whatever but all and they'll dictate like primary schedules like the iowa caucus situation where they had the told the democratic party that they had to hire a certain app company. That was like a connected console and then they told the i o argue that they had to keep certain privileges they have. Yeah but keep in mind. None of that was voted by the dnc members. Right and i don't know if this is related to what you're talking about but the policy by cheri bustos and the d. Triple that you were going to work on a campaign that was challenged that was primarily an incumbent that you are blackballed from ever working with the party. Ever again the uncertainty. That's very undemocratic yes it is and there's two things that's important to know about that While three actually one is that that's the detroit will see. Nobody voted on that. Paul right sherry boustos just decided see number two. It speaks to the power of the console. Docker right because i mean while the number jewelry it's terribly anti progressive policy and is selectively enforced like they aren't they aren't enforcing it on citrus challenges progresses. They're all these get on progressive centrist. And there's the whole political conversation about alcee obviously but i think for structural standpoint. It shows how much it's all about who consults are right right. They were saying is if you want to make it in this game. If you want to continue to get hired you have to do things the way we say it. And the only way to actually be the game is to be a consult so it was a war of some side being blackballed by for functionally amounted to consoles on the centrists. Right right but what you didn't see in any of that was an actual body of like a thousand high-level democrats voting on what this should be light and taking positions than hashing. This out in meeting serve like there is none of that. It doesn't happen. It doesn't happen at the detroit for soar right and while there's window dressing for the dnc. It doesn't happen a dnc either. Nobody voted on when the qualifications for who got to be the debates. As as things move forward happened nobody was voting man. Four hundred numbers of have a say that peres and his team. Whoever was designing for as decisions are not you can make new white top whereas personally like functionally to run the mortensen. Yes and what you say in this in this threat. I encourage everyone to read it. Is you said right now. It's the worst of both worlds too much money too little structure and so are they operating off of like old the bylaws in these meetings. I've been to everything is robert's rules in their ad order. And you need a second and you need a third and you needed this and it's like oh my god. Our our county on sunday went on for over six hours. Because of this nonsense. And it was just a cluster fuck. It was the only way. I could describe it now. I'm seeing that this is it. You know on a on a on a wider scale to again this is starts you complicated when i first got involved in local democratic politics that the church cardiac democrats and i started to get involved mature county central committee i saw. I knew i knew nothing about robert's rules i saw this. This is a problem but many new activists have is they come in and everything works by like i move on. You know i call for division math to second this motion roster recognize you. It comes off as very antiquated and weird and and nor transparent. I'm when you get involved over a certain amount of time you you learn to love robert's rules because nobody has yet advised a better way of putting fifty people or more into a room keeping order keeping order figuring out protected minority how to sure majority gets its way without without abusing its power There's a reason why everything is the way it is on the roberts and it's very distressing to anyone who competitive very anti dynamic grains. There are many theories for how you approve. That the the hostile to new actress problem with roberts structures this challenge the dnc. It would be nice if there were some roberts. Structures challenge the dnc is not that. There's not these six hour meetings to elect people or make endorsements which is its own problem and half the dnc. The problem is nothing comes to voted all. There is no capacity for a member to make a motion or to try to get the attention of eight seventy five people. Four hundred are directly by the so. If you were to ever even bring something to try to get emotion trying to get a second try to get something passed. There's many procedural hurdles and majority of the body would vote against by virtue of frowny teased. She gets to make the blocking our own super delegates so to speak. Basically i mean if you have appointed people then you're gonna have an institutional walking it's Then of course you have the problem at the their committees by the rules committee that determines what are of course is appointed by the chair. And you don't get to speak you. Don't get to vote on stuff about walls and the rules. does it. First and by the time we will be hashed out there doing brings up for the floor. It was a done deal. It's eight site so it would be great. If we have a three hour or roberts rules beating a we. Don't we're not even to that loud so this is one of the challenges we have there are. There's a letter that pen and signed by thirty four members of the dnc cluding My friend trailblazer musicians. Michael cap from the california delegation. Okay asking for reforms. Calling on president like joe biden and whoever the dnc chair will be to consider some serious reforms to the to the way this is done right now like it would be great just to be able to get ocean song before. You can't wow okay. So i'm reading. One of the sixteenth tweet thread said it would ironically be better if the democratic party did run like a big corporation. Big corporations get input from local division leaders who report up the chain influence decision making successful local leaders get promoted. No such organizational capacity exists. And then i saw somebody who re tweeted. The thread is rachel bitcoin offer. I'm probably mispronouncing her name but she this is what she does. She analyzes elections and political strategies and stuff and she wrote everything at david. Watkins rights here is correct. And yes. it's worse because the rnc is an organized. Opposition with the national organization that is like a corporation or government entity does coordinate and has each other cell numbers and uses them to execute long term strategic plans. So once again they play the long game and and we and you said my biggest criticism always like the green party is that they emerge every four years and run a candidate for president. And now you're telling me the dnc basically does that to that they're dormant for a while in between big elections. Is there a way to fix this. I guess is the question. Wow so yes. And it takes Water different angles on some people. I just more revolutionary change the people in power throughout all the ball. Throw the bums out get do people in. I tend to be more animal for about that. If you don't change the structures you're not gonna change the results and you know but you have you personnel. Does matter but look you have to change some of the ways that the dnc does business. This is also problem of the culture of the democrat we are afraid of certain kinds of centralization and we see it as a as a democratic strength that were loosely connected in all these ways through charters on stage and national bodies and know what has too much dictatorial power or anybody else. But of course it doesn't lead to more democratic decision. Making it leads to a bunch of things happening in back rooms. Consults make y'all the positions. The second thing culturally is partly because of the gover- experienced the reagan experience. A lot of the people in charge of the democratic party are very afraid of the democrat. Base the polar leads into its base. The democratic party is afraid of its base at afraid that the base too much of its way that it will scare off and so in a warriors part. They don't want to add ground up sort of feedback from progressive or just core democrats because they believed that the consultants are the keepers off the Strategy and that if you allow it to get out of there that hell will slough And that's going to change has to be and that corrupts things at water Like for instance you know when when all the consoles godley sergei agreed candidates calls or not but the reality is they mainers have a different approach in politics Hardcore partisan hellfire is not effective. Thank you but the trip and the sec. Interesting of the dnc. They run the same game plan every and they went. You know hard. Core cars and sleigh mancera gedeon tying her to know. Donald trump are out susan collins right and demeanor and the wobble mainers saying no. This is not gonna work. This is backfire and they would. They don't listen right right. And and the same thing happens in a lot of other places and there's no way for say a county democratic party chair in a place like me. Or even a high level executable number may democratic party to tell the democratic senatorial campaign. Committee's consoles who have been brought in on on wings to to help surrogate say. Don't do this back. Please don't him this. There's they can try to initiate a conversation. But there's no organizational way to vote to make that style. Wow because it's all handled at the consultant signed by people who are not democratically accountable. Who and when. I talked about what happened to the activists have the same kind of thing have people and of course all them are on paid the state night. None of them aren't as of your time. You get great activists who come up the gig positions of the county law or at the state level like regional directors or executive or members county party chairs or whatever they don't get paid they have no pathway toward an actual power position. The way you get power is campaign for a consult. The consultancy thing. That is a scam. I'm sorry made sucks so much money on. Every and i mentioned something earlier about this spend too much on commercials. Not only did they spend too much money on television commercials but the damn consultants take a big cut from placing the ad when they produce the add on every angle. It's there's scammers. Until i think we got like two minutes left. The way out of this is yes. Replaced the leadership with somebody who has new ideas. But it's not that easy. As some of the consultants are great and smart but they should be guardless. They should be in a position to dictate right lying. They they should be doing what the organization tells them to do. In a democratic fasten and providing their expertise is so hopefully we have the opportunity. Nothing changes overnight now by is gonna do leadership probably jamie harrison. There's there's a window open to help. Change the culture of the dnc change a culture of the detroit. The sec is a whole other ball game but there. There's a window here if we can get forks and if if you have listeners ask your your dnc members in your state. Now sign a letter. They'll know what they're what they're talking about. Toward some of these are structural reforms reducing the power of appointment that chair reducing that seventy five people where he's able to point Opening up the process for a year allowing worthies things to be voted on by the membership. You know putting the small d democracy injure the democratic and yes we do need a more time year round organizational capacity indeed the dnc. It would actually help. Barger more powerful more democratically accountable organization with more permanent employees to actually do the work that the democrat party needs to do year most definitely up. You're probably not going to have time to answer it. Somebody asked me to ask you. Why is the dnc budget secret and members. Can't see it is that true. It's not super secret. Budget documents at all. The way down to the committee levels tend to be a little more restricted because there are people who will just feed them to the press at party and so needed the gop. More the dan party sorta super transparent about the budget's strategy documents have been said obviously. There's a transparency issue in terms of the accountability not letting the gop note your strategy has also potentially enables you to hide massive amounts of slush right balance of those transparency. And we absolutely duty to expose. If it's all crecy is getting slush schochet well david atkins. I'm glad you're a member. Because i if anyone can fix it you can find them at twitter david atkins thank you so much for joining us. We're at a time. I gotta go thank you bye. Take care bye-bye tomorrow. Everyone will be here.
All Eyes on Iowa
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"The daily duo two is big ideas. Sponsored by the American beverage association. Coke, Dr Pepper and Pepsi are offering more choices smaller portions less sugar. Learn more at balance US dot org. Good morning. I'm James Holman from the Washington Post, and this is the daily to for Monday, June third. Today's news authorities are still trying to understand the motive of the Virginia Beach shooter. President Trump's top economists steps down as the administration most tariffs against Australia and Democrats, who rejected big money earlier this year change their tune. But first, the big idea Trump arrived in London early this morning. And the drama flirt up quickly as the president tweeted attacks at the mayor of the host city, the president's state visit to Britain this week. The first of his presidency is missing some of the traditional trappings of past UK trips by American leaders. There will be an official greeting ceremony at Buckingham Palace later today. A lavish banquet with the queen's best, China, a gun salute fired from Green Park in the tower of London. It will all be suitably over the top. But British officials are clearly less than enthusiastic. Even as they talk up the importance of the special relationship between our two countries, some of the traditional trappings such as staying the night at Buckingham Palace a Royal welcome at the horse guards parade and a gold carriage procession down the mall are notably. Absent house of Commons, speaker John berko said, Trump would not be well. Welcome to address lawmakers at the palace of Westminster, as other presidents have done, and then London, mayor Siddiq Khan wrote in an op Ed for today's observer quote, it is unbridged, which to be rolling out the red carpet for Trump even as much as they are. He wrote quote, this is a man who tried to exploit Londoners fear following a horrific terrorist attack on our city. Amplified the tweets of a British far right racist group, denounced, his fake news, robust scientific evidence warning of the dangers of climate change. And is now trying to interfere shamelessly and the conservative party leadership race by backing Boris Johnson because he believes it would enable him to gain an ally in number ten Downing Street for his divisive agenda Khan added that Trump's behavior flies in the face of the ideals. America was founded on ironically equality liberty and religious freedom. Trump, clearly saw the op-ed or heard about it on TV, and he tweeted his Air Force One began its descent. That Khan is a total loser and has done a terrible job as mayor Trump wrote quote. He is a stone cold loser who should focus on crime in London. Not me. The president said the mayor reminds him very much of the quote very dumb, and incompetent, mayor of New York City, build, the Blasios who also done a terrible job. Then he added that Khan is only half of de Blasios height traditional diplomacy. This is not. And that's the big idea here are three other headlines that should be on your radar. Number one authorities say that DeWayne Craddock quit his job as a city employees in Virginia Beach, just hours before killing a dozen people at a municipal building on Friday afternoon, some killers leave behind manifestos YouTube videos, or social media profiles that display a mind moving inexorably toward violence. What Craddock left behind was a resignation letter and work history that gave no hint of his intentions. Officials wouldn't discuss what Craddock wrote in his resignation, but a person familiar with the Email said it was short, and there was nothing out of the ordinary. The victims were mostly fellow government employees and a contractor trying to get a permit survivors, say that chronic entered the city building at around four pm and started firing a forty five caliber. Semiautomatic handgun with a sound, sir. Touched credits neighbors, and co workers said, they saw the warning signs. He was a seasoned engineer a military veteran with a shaved head in bodybuilders physique, one co worker were counted that he had an all business but not off-putting demeanor. Several neighbors told our reporters that he had a reserved, but not peculiar presence, Virginia Beach has always been just a sandy, sliver of itself in the minds of most Americans even most Virginians. But there's a whole city, the state's largest city beyond the ocean waves the boardwalk in the hotel towers Virginia Beach is the place for navy seals trained in a region with seventy five federal and defense installations, and more than. Eighty six thousand active duty military personnel. The city wants to be known for the delicious strawberries at grows and the seals, not this shooting. Number two, Trump's top economist, Kevin Hassett is leaving the White House. The fifty seven year old is served as chairman of the council of economic advisers since September twenty seventeen he's leaving as Trump confronts. An increasingly hostile trade war on two fronts against Mexico in China. Historically has it has been an advocate of free and open trade policies. Although in recent months, he's been put in the position of defending Trump's confrontational approach the latest indication of that confrontational approach the New York Times reports that Trump has been seriously considering imposing big tariffs on Australian imports. But that he backed down late last week after strong pushback from the Pentagon and foggy bottom Trump's protectionist trade advisors urged the tariffs as a response to a surge of us. Australian aluminum that's been flowing onto the American market over the past year. But officials at the defense State Department said this would alienate a top ally and not be worth whatever gains. There might be Trump. Agreed not take any action at least temporarily. Meanwhile, China and Mexico are both signaling an eagerness to get back to the negotiating table with the US Mexico has rushed a delegation to Washington to discuss immigration issues and China, put out a communique, criticising America, but saying they want the talks to start again on the Sunday shows Trump surrogates struggle to defend the president's threats to impose massive new tariffs on Mexican imports in the face of criticism from the business community and Senate Republicans. The administration wants Mexico to crack down on elicit businesses that profit from transporting migrants through the country on their trip north allows more migrants to seek asylum in Mexico instead of the United States, and to stop migrants from entering Mexico from Central America in the first place, but Trump folk. I have not been specific about what kinds of thresholds they might set for Mexico to show. They're taking action to get Trump tobacco off his tariff threats, number three, strapped for cash several democratic presidential hopefuls who talked a big game about rejecting big money early in the year are now going hat in hand to Wall Street, Hollywood and Silicon Valley recently in Manhattan Beto, aerobic held a private reception for supporters who had paid the maximum amount to his campaign, or brought in as much as twenty five thousand dollars by persuading others to do the same. It was the first such fundraiser of a works presidential campaign. And it was quite a contrast from the early days after his announcement when he emphasized that he had no large dollar fundraisers planned, and got cheers in his stumps for saying that he didn't plan to hold any many of the candidates. Previously had held a handful of high dollar fundraisers or voided them all together. But after a disappointing fundraising haul in the first quarter of the year and. The primaries drag on with no clear front runner. They're turning their focus now to wealthy donors several candidates held high dollar fundraisers in the bay area this weekend when they were already in San Francisco to speak at the California. Democratic Party convention, including Buddha. Judge Krista gillibrand Amy klobuchar Cory Booker, as well as Jill, Brandon club, which are also recently schmoozed with the hill blazers, those were bundlers who raised at least one hundred thousand dollars for Hillary Clinton's two thousand sixteen campaign at a gathering in the DC home of Esther Cooper Smith on Wall Street, a group of democratic donors recently met with Bhutto judge, and in New York, a group of wealthy, prominent democratic donors have opened their homes and offices to host pry the salons with Aurora Buddha. Judge club, which are Booker and Michael Bennett. Many of these donors have made maximum donations to multiple candidates. One of those donors is Robert wolf. He's a former investment banker and was a big Barack Obama supporter. He said he's met with about a dozen candidates, including a recent one on one with a work. He's cut. Check. Checks to ten of the twenty three presidential contenders. And that's the daily to two for Monday, June third. Thanks for listening. I'm James Hillman, I'll talk to you tomorrow.