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To catch a chicken

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To catch a chicken

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Hand placing in my lip the majority of jimmy knicks and willie easter talking to uncertain our senior producer. Caitlyn caitlin and. I went down to mississippi before the pandemic head to talk to them about the work. They used to do so. You're carrying twelve chickens on one hand and were they alive or dead. Jimmy and willie used to catch chickens for a living. They go up to farms where the chickens are raised and they'd round them up put them in cages and the cages would go on trucks and the trucks would go to the slaughterhouse catching chickens. That don't want to be caught is harder than you might think catchers have to move quickly so some of them actually grabbed two birds at a time. Some guys kitchen about to some kids by warm bath to yeah. No you call teams in three. Jimmy can hold up to seven big birds at a time for twelve small ones a bird to between each free finger in one night. Each catcher scoops up thousands of birds. And they have the scars and calluses to prove it. The cat is gonna come right in here and right between there come right between notice. This work can wreck a person's hands. It's been a few years since willie caught a chicken but one of his hands is still bigger than the other like. He's wearing a glove. Their knuckles are swollen. Like knots on a rope. They go blister. Up and stephanie swail. They swapped tips for how to care for their hands. Bruce leisure mind so often for a minute. The horn on do order layer skiing right bleach. Jimmy says makes your hands less sensitive overtime. Willi likes epsom salts and some people turn to remedy his urine. They don't out rs in case. You didn't catch that urinate on your hands. Willie says some people swear by it to relieve swelling and tenderness a urine. I know you drive the thank you trying to get the pain. He's pay to manage so we're sound crazy but you know what you want to get so you can go back to work. Jimmy and willie caught chickens for many years. One of the companies they caught for was cooked foods one of the largest poultry companies in the country. One day a little over a decade ago. Something unusual happened after a long shift. Jimmy remembers the crew boarded the van. Instead of taking the crew home like van normally did it headed to one of the plants offices. The told on. We're gonna go to a meeting and at that point. It was whispering about what it was about. Jimmy had no idea what was coming. The van arrived at the office. The crew filed off van waiting for them. Jimmy recalls was a man who was not dirty from catching chickens wearing dress pants and a sunday shirt a boss from cook foods. It s what they told us they were going to contract contractors they will lend the contracts hell that party kitchen. Paul cook was going to subcontract out the chicken catching immediately and jimmy willies lives. Were about to change Welcome to the uncertain. Our i'm christy. clark. I'm caitlyn ash and this season is all about this thing. We used to call employment what happened to it and why it matters. We're looking at how companies can get around providing basic workplace protections like health benefits sick days minimum wage. We talked in earlier episodes about janitorial companies. That rely on independent contractors. Today we're gonna talk about another way. Companies can structure their businesses so that their workers are not their employees listeners of the show might remember the dropped in on poultry workers last season to see how they're weathering the pandemic but we'd been talking to poultry workers before the pandemic started talking to them about how companies use subcontracting to make the workers somebody else's responsibility and about what that means for those workers caitlyn's gonna take it from here. Jimmy knicks was seventeen years old a senior in high school. When he got his first poultry. Job my first job was hanging on a bag dog and she plan. Jimmy would grab live chickens as they came around on a conveyor belt and hang them upside down hanging on a shackle they in the shackle careful not to break the leg or wing from their chickens will go to the kill room where they're decapitated then onto plucking and gutting back then. Jimmy never thought he'd end up working as a chicken catcher. Who knows. I used to watch my brother. The breeze curve whatever catches james comey dismay or the stench on them and did dirt in the field. You know and. I will say i would never do that child. But then laid on ladder us notice. How much money they break and i said well we'll try it. Is you know i. So i got out there and i tried to not that i liked it but i like the money. Jimmy thought the money back then was pretty good. It was a time we start catching working for cec. Catching for the plant will pay like ten dollars per load and that was pretty good. That's pretty good because a lot of time. We caught medi cal from toyota fifteen loads per day. You know and you make pretty good money. Jimmy was paid by the load. Not by the hour at ten dollars a load. He says he could make between one hundred and one hundred and fifty dollars per shift. So if you do the math for eight hours of catching chickens he could make at least around twelve dollars an hour. That's not including traveling to the farmer. Putting on gear or anything else and that was more than he could make working a lot of other jobs in the area in scott county mississippi where jimmy lives about twenty percent of families were living in poverty in two thousand nineteen. That's about twice. The national average poultry is the economic engine of the area thousands of people work in food processing when starter out. He worked directly for the chicken. Plant cook foods as an employee of the poultry company. Jimmy says he got health insurance and benefits to paid sick days. So many pay sick days. Oh you can even take a leave of absence you know. We have personal problems. Family problems or something going on. You have a leave of absence. You got Dental insurance hospital issues life insurance see. Everybody needs all this. Anything happened at any given time. So jimmy was glad to have a job even though catching chickens. His really grueling chicken catching happens mostly at night. Chickens don't move around as much in the dark as they do in the late. They're much calmer so late at night or early in the morning a van would pick up all the guys at their homes. Okay i'll be of everybody and we stop by a store and get all supplies and whatever else. We need gas up the van get snacks. And maybe some protective gear like masks or gloves and then drive out to the farm. The whole pickup process can take up to two hours. When you finally get to the farm already go into Get them off the room after wall with the one pile up. Someone goes into the chicken house. Which are these long buildings longer than a football field to stir the chickens basically keep the moving while the loader or the forklift comes in is load comes in case dan a lot of north and when the note a load comes in with north they'll run to the wall you don't constantly keep them stirred their pile up and die. Smother in seconds chickens can easily smother this way by stampeding each other and piling up. The birds are supposed to arrive at the slaughterhouse alive and undamaged no broken wings or anything. Jimmy worked on a crew of about nine people. One guy would stir and the others would fan out across the chicken house and grab birds. I wasn't allowed into the chicken houses. But i've seen videos on youtube. The birds flap desperately. Try to get away. Catchers work as fast as they can grabbing chickens and fleeing them into cages. Jimmy says the catchers animal cruelty papers agreeing not to harm the birds before they're slaughtered but it's hard to be gentle when you're moving so fast. Jimmy took pride in the work. He was good at it new year. Nickname personally tommy. Quick nick sometime quick because he was so fast at grabbing chickens and nick because his last name is nicks so the money wasn't bad. The benefits were decent. But like i said the work is really hard and it's filthy you chicken lab. They pick you a crap chicken might even squirting your map you know what some of you swallow poop. 'cause you know you you working with your mouth open china to be an a sunday shooting. Is i meant sad to say but it happens to some people now. This is stuff that chicken catches has to do chicken poop releases ammonia when it breaks down which can irritate your eyes and your lungs. You could hardly breathe almost to a point of passing out. They expect you to keep going. You can't just walk out and say the movies thrown the dust mixed with sweat is so irritating that some catchers apply something like baby oil or vaseline and then roll stockings over their limbs to protect from chafing time dot. Muskie's is time that i've got work in. I look as light as you. Because i really do. You told a co within your hair your clothes. Some of them. You can't tell the actual color of you know. I just think now what this is sticking to you and your clothes and your hair is sticking alone. Also jimmy says catching chickens requires a certain steely resolve. You have to have your mind made up. You're gonna do it a lot of strong people don't last a week. It's not just a physical thing of middle day to i. Was there one night. It was levin degrees and we call chicken eleven degrees. It's is you get out van you loud appalling bush book right there you know. I've been all over but race. We loose no. We gotta go at the end of the shift. The van takes the guys home except that like we said one day. The van didn't go home. It took the workers to a building and they were taken to an office that moment when everything changed for jimmy the boss told the crew chicken catching was going to be subcontracted out to independent companies. We hear the option of continue catching with them Go to the plant and you go to the plant. You got benefits still got benefits but if you continue to catch for the contract with no benefits at all. Continue to catch for the subcontractors no benefits or take a different job at the plant and keep your benefits. The guy and the clean clothes didn't tell the workers why the company was doing this but the chicken catchers figured the company was trying to save money. Jimmy says they were given less than a day. Decide only overnight. That's the only time we got off. Had time to make the decision between the or and plants on seven o'clock that more. I just wanna pause here. Say coke is not the only company to contract out chicken catching. It's pretty standard. In the industry we talked to an undocumented. Chicken catcher in alabama will call him lewis. We're not using his real name because he's worried about retaliation he got chickens for seven years working directly for a different major chicken company and his experiences are really similar to jimmy and willie's momentum but yeah moi being he was paid decently earned over time he got health insurance paid vacation. He says it was a good job. If him a decent life in one friday after a full week of chickens we in the crew were told they should report to work the next day. Saturday to work overtime. Lewis likes earning over time so he was happy about that. The next morning the crew showed up to work but they never did catch any chickens. Part will sound familiar. Lewis crew was told they would no longer be working for the big chicken company. The catching crew was going to be subcontracted out. But don't worry the bosses said you can work for the contractors. Louise was devastated. He knew what this meant. He'd seen it happen to other cruise. He knew his pay was about to drop. He knew he'd lose benefits. He went home to tell his fiancee. Maria also not. Her real name remembers this moment like it was yesterday. Louis came home early in the morning. Just a few hours after his shift started. Am i remember. I was still in. I was leaping here and noise. Say will i'm not longer Employed and say. What do you mean. Marie-anne lewis had just started living together. We're planning on getting married and planning their future. I live in. And i remember. I see his face in asking his face. Rotate time you are. You kidding me. That's for real. What what do you. What do you mean now. Working for the main company and working for the contractor does mean that you lose their benefits and he said yes. Honey yes that's exactly that what i mean. No more medical insurance no more. But gatien pay no more seek now. Na na na game happen no you have a job you work in ma'am in you have a job right you know. Maria was stunned. We in america. How game this company do that. Do they workers especially they are a good workers. Become any making big money. Signs are real for me. Subcontractors are supposed to follow the same laws as the bigger companies. they're supposed to pay minimum wage and overtime but they tend to be small businesses with fewer resources so they may not offer the same benefits. Luiz ended up taking a job with the subcontractor. He says his pay fell by more than fifty percent. But to me next didn't want to lose. Its benefits remember. He was given a choice between catching for the subcontractor and taking a job at the plant. The so awesome would try to play his new job. At the processing plant was physically hard. He had to carry heavy loads weighing forty fifty pounds and he struggled to complete the work. It's sorta get frustrating when you're doing some that's not right especially when you're used to doing the best you can do on a job and you do. This is like man. What what am i doing. I don't want to be a weakling. He worked at the plant a little less than two months before asking for his old job back. Some people used to do a certain thing for so many years. That's the only thing you've been doing us only thing you go actually do really you know so. I went back to catch him back to catching only this time. There was a subcontractor in the mix. Jimmy seemed to have two bosses. Should i say this to me right you you. You're not working directly under coops. What are you working for them but indirectly but still cooks. Is he control. Is that making sense this question. Who's the boss who's in control would end up being really important later on but at the time it was just kind of confusing when that first payday rolled around jimmy saw the benefits weren't the only thing that had changed page change to working for cook. Jimmy had been making one hundred to one hundred and fifty dollars a shift working for the contractor. He was making around sixty. This not even half as much now. I mean he just barely making it. You gotta do something on the side. You got gotta mechanic or carpenter or rob steal something something. That wouldn't advise. I'm just saying some people june to do things that they don't want to do so the pay changed. The benefits changed the sick days and vacation days. Those went away. What didn't change was the actual. Work has insane. Number only did was ill. He might have been working a little past little fast. With contract and more hard on us is more wear and tear on the body actually and man trying to keep book. Jimmy says the chicken catchers weren't paid. Wait time for the our spent working but not catching chickens. Time spent riding in the van going out to the farm putting on gear even waiting on the equipment when it broke down. I'm a time when the banquet we sit there and had to wait on somebody else to come and pick us up but the people that wanted to come pick us up. They were own a job and miles and miles away so we sit there for hours. We don't get paid for that. This wasn't new under the subcontractors but jimmy hadn't minded so much before when he was working directly for the company because he made enough when he was catching chickens to make up for it under the subcontractor he didn't. Jimmy says sometimes the pay came out to less than minimum wage. I wanna talk for a minute of minimum wage mississippi. There's no state minimum wage law but employers have to pay at least the minimum wage set by federal law which is seven twenty five. An hour hasn't gone up since two thousand nine and even though the chicken catchers are paid piece that is. They're not paid by the hour but rather by how many thousands of children catch in a night. It's still has to even out to at least minimum wage and if they work overtime they're still supposed to get time and a half based on average earnings if employers. Don't do this. They can be sued or fined. Up to one thousand dollars per violation. There's a whole unit within the department of labor called the wage in division. That's supposed to investigate claims but the chance of a workplace being investigated is pretty slim. As of recently there were only about one thousand federal inspectors. And they're supposed to be keeping tabs on more than seven million workplaces. Jimmy would try to keep track of how many thousands of chickens the crew caught. And how many hours he worked but his pay rarely came out to what he thought it should be. You ain't getting paid for something some right when it happens over and over. No you know. That's the thing. And i would like to recognize us for what we're worth. It makes us feel like yeah. I'm going to work tonight. I wanna get on. Get on. And i'm gonna jump. I'm gonna go you know still instead of waking up nerves paying turn in you. Don't want to feel like that. You feel like you anxious to go out there. 'cause you're gonna make good money shoot. I might make hundred thirty tonight. You know my major hundred and forty inches. Go and see what you're going to make but the way it feels. You don't wanna go because you know you're not even gonna make hundred out on a job. You supposed to warn. Go to their job. Jake is you gotta make yourself wound to jimmy. Says it seemed like he was making money except the catchers the chicken company subcontractors meanwhile he was barely getting by. There's no i was just gonna put it down. It's no is is is important because it all is not put. A workers is just a contractor themselves and the plant you know in the chicken is what contractors they make the money and the plants are spending less money. You know. that's the way it is. Jimmy figured the company subcontracted out the chicken catching to save money. But there are other reasons. Poultry companies outsource and subcontract. The catchers may have gotten caught up in some much larger changes. That's after the break. The insert our supported by indeed dot com. If you're using anything other than indeed for your hiring you're wasting your time. Hire great people faster with indeed only pay for results and get time back in your schedule. Indeed dot com is the hiring site that helps you find quality candidates with indeed instant match indeed searches through the millions of resumes and their database to help. Show you great candidates instantly. So you can do the part. You really need faster meeting hiring great people. There are no long term contracts. You can pause your account at any time and you only pay for what you need with instant match. You see a list of great candidates with zero. Wait want your quality shortlist fast. You need indeed right now. our listeners. A free seventy five dollars. Credit to upgrade your job post at indeed dot com slash uncertain. This is indeed best offer available anywhere. Get a free seventy five dollars. Credit at indeed dot com slash uncertain indeed dot com slash uncertain offer valid through march. Thirty first terms and conditions apply true. Democracy was a myth at america's founding. And today we still have work to do. I'm julie longoria and in a new weekly show from the atlantic and wnyc studios. We explore the powerful ideas that shaped the united states. And what happens when those ideas collide with people's real lives listened to the experiment on apple. Podcasts outsourcing and subcontracting are not new ideas. it's been happening for many decades across industries. It's extensive it tends to affect more often. Low paid workers very often black. Let necks immigrant. Workers david-weill is a professor and dean at the heller school for social policy and management at brandeis university. He used to lead the department of labor wage and hour division under the obama administration. Quick story about david years before he came to lead the wage and hour division. He had this moment of discovery. Myohang moment his Moment what happened was he got funding to do a study looking at why some companies failed to follow labor laws and how the do l. could investigate them more effectively. And i started seeing these patterns of noncompliance like companies not paying minimum wage overtime and it was happening in a certain kind of workplace where you had the increasing use of third party management companies or staffing agencies or ten firms he coined a term for this kind of fractured work arrangement where people don't work directly for the companies that need their labor. He called it fissuring. He took the term from geology. He says it's like a rock with a fracture that deepens and spreads with time. David wrote a whole book about it. Called the fissured workplace. He's one of the biggest experts on this topic as we learned from jimmy and willie lewis when the subcontractors came in their wages down. David has seen the same thing happened to other workers across industries. The reason that workers earn less money in a subcontracted relationship is they are being paid by a subcontractor coup is trying to get a margin is trying to pay the workforce and also get some kind of level of profitability. The amount they're being paid is very often dictated by competition with a bunch of other subcontractors. So that if they don't get the work someone else is going to take that job. David says it's not that subcontracting is inherently bad. Some jobs require specialization. A subcontractor might have expertise. That another company doesn't or might have really expensive equipment that the other company doesn't want to invest in a construction company for example is probably not going to hire a permanent electrician for job. That takes a week. But it's a problem. David says when job that used to be done internally a job that's central to a company's business is suddenly outsourced and the work largely stays the same and that's where you go from legitimate subcontracting. That's the part of any industry to the kind of really problematic subcontracting. That's really a mechanism to get around the kinds of rights and responsibilities. We've decided are important as as a society through our laws david says. When he was at the department of labor he saw a lot of wage and hour violations in the poultry industry including in chicken catching in part because the industry is so fissured. That fissuring david says is for several reasons for one. The business areas we talked about last episode encouraged companies to focus on core competencies leading some to outsource everything else. Also subcontracting helps companies avoid. You can ization efforts and shed legal responsibility for workers particularly in industries like chicken that rely on undocumented immigrant workers. It's hard to know exactly. Why the company. Jimmy caught chickens for foods decided to subcontract out its catch cruise but it happened shortly after cook had gotten into some trouble for the way it was treating its employees. The department of labor investigated cooks mississippi operation in two thousand six and seven so before it subcontracted out all of its catchers and i found that cook road one hundred and seventy four catchers at it employed more than a total of three hundred and twenty five thousand dollars overtime cook had apparently not been paying the catchers time and a half when they worked more than forty hours. A week after that cook subcontracted out all of its catch cruised to third party companies. We of course wanted to talk to cook to ask. That decision was made to avoid problems with the department of labor or was it because the company wanted to save money or was there. Some reason but cook wouldn't give us an interview in court documents. Cook denied the decision. Had anything to do with dodging legal responsibilities. I'll tell you about that court case later on by the way the reason cook gave was that it needed help finding workers one cook manager said in a deposition they decided to subcontract out one hundred percent of the catching around two thousand twelve because quote. We were having trouble getting labor to catch the birds so trouble. Finding labor was one reason. Poultry companies began to use contractors. But they may have had other reasons to want to shed employees to It's aluminum to look at what was happening. When outsourcing really started accelerating more than thirty years ago and that reporting took me on a bit of a journey to understand more about why companies started using subcontractors in the first place and why subcontractors would take on the responsibility of those workers to. I'm very pleased that you could all be here today. I know how busy nineteen eighty-six congress passed and president. Ronald reagan signed immigration reform and control nineteen eighty six outside and a few minutes people. Call it orca. It's the product of one of the longest and most difficult legislative undertakings in the last three congresses. Reagan wasn't kidding. It took more than five years for the final version of the bill to get through all the hoops. It was known in congress as the corpse. That would not die. It's an excellent example of a truly successful bipartisan effort. Irqah was a compromise between those who wanted amnesty for undocumented immigrants and those who wanted to come down hard and stop authorized immigration altogether so irqah granted one time amnesty to about three million immigrants. It also beefed up border security and made it illegal. For employers to knowingly hire undocumented workers employers that did would face fines and sanctions and one way that employers have gotten around orca or have tried to get around orca is by outsourcing that sort of hr personnel piece of hiring to third party contractors. Angeles dc is an anthropologist at the university of north carolina chapel hill. She spent a lot of time with chicken. Plant workers in the two thousands. She wrote a book about her experiences. There called scratching out a living angeles circa led to a couple of big consequences. It created a market for fraudulent documents at a led to a boom in subcontracting as companies that relied on undocumented workers tried to distance themselves from those workers. The idea is that they're insulating themselves from any legal accountability for having hired those on undocumented workers those big consequences of africa that market for fraudulent documents and subcontracted workers. You might remember how they played out a couple of summers ago in twenty nineteen. That's when several chicken plants in central mississippi including foods were raided by federal agents from the department of homeland security to a massive ice raid six hundred eighty immigrant. Workers were caught up in the suite. What officials are calling the largest single state operation in history and massive raid involved several hundred federal ice agents comply with the law off over coming after you. There's just like a big field backyard with tons of cows. We visited another one of the plants that was rated called an ink and a rural town. One county over from cook foods. There's a padlock on the door. It was eerily quiet. Oh and just looks like an office. That sort of just been laughed. It's a little bit of a mass ice agents detained so many of amb's workers the plant actually had to close a and be turned around and blamed its labor broker. A small company called southern nights. According to court documents southern nights had a contract with a in be it was supposed to staff manage and supervise employees at amb's plant in exchange for a fifteen percent service fee. Nb suits other nights for breach of contract arguing that the labor broker falsely unknowingly misrepresented that employees had been fully screened in. We're eligible to work. And it ended up costing the company money we reached out to a and b through its lawyer. The company declined to comment. I really wanted to talk to the owner of southern nights. So they're nights has been sued by workers in another poultry plant in the past alleging wage violations and sexual harassment on the job. I wanted to ask the owner why she would take on the risk that other bigger companies might want to avoid are some subcontractors taking advantage of vulnerable workers or were they struggling businesses trying to do their best. The owner didn't seem to have an office so we stopped by her one story house in a modest neighborhood on the gulf coast of mississippi. Eight right there me and our video producer ben. My name is caitlin. I'm sorry to bother you. She was nice said she had to check with her lawyer. Before talking to us we followed up but we never heard from her again months later. She was charged with three felonies for harboring and undocumented immigrant making false statements and causing false quarterly wage reports to be filed using fake social security numbers. Do you understand what you charged. Listen if convicted. She faces up to seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars in fines and twenty years in prison. You understand the penalties. It's as to each of the at her arraignment last summer. She pleaded not guilty. Not guilty a manager at the plant was also charged along with dozens of workers from a and b and from other chicken plants. That were rated. It's worth pointing out no executives from amp face charges hope summit summit mississippi. I had struck out with southern nights so we went on a little road trip. Wending up from the coast to the flat wintry gray landscape of central mississippi to where the chicken plants are crossing train tracks. Look there's a pig. We dropped by the businesses and sometimes the homes of subcontractors in rural small towns modest operations for the most part yes and sometimes were dogs. Five huge dog on a lot of dogs dogs. No i'm afraid of dogs surround. We found. Jimmy's employer chats the front door. Doors is rolling. This is this armco but the owner wouldn't talk to us on the record. None of the subcontractors would so. I never got to ask y subcontractors do what they do if big companies are trying to shed responsibility for workers why would these little companies agreed to take on that responsibility along with all of the risk. Well very often because it's important for their economic survival and that's not to excuse violation of the law but it certainly explains it. That's david-weill he says. Subcontractors tend to be small businesses often operating with tight margins because they are economically really on the edge to begin with you frequently. Find those subcontractors going out of business either going out of business or if they are found in violation they shut down under one name and then they reconstitute themselves as a new business with the new name shortly after the owner of jet is connected with more than a dozen other businesses many are in poultry and many have been dissolved. Jimmy knicks has worked for few of them he says. The conditions are pretty consistent And so what did happen to jimmy knicks after decades catching chickens. He decided he'd finally had enough. And polio's is we try to make them do better. Treat us better and pay us for what we are worth for. The time lost the time time to all the time which it all basically the same boy downton to the same thing. We want to get paid next week. The story of how the chicken catchers fought back. that's it for this episode of the uncertain. Our thanks for listening. And if you liked the show please tell a friend lee review. Simba's a note we love hearing from you. And if you've ever been a non employee tell us about it. Our email is uncertain our at marketplace. This episode was reported by caitlin our producers. our christiane and peter ballantine rosen. 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30:31 min | 2 years ago

Stone Cold Weirdos

"The following program could have some filthy talk that would make a stevedore blush. And by the way, if a blushing stevedore or an embarrassed longshoremen is your want. Well, you could get content like that and my newsletter slate dot com slash gist news, actually, it's pretty clean and fun for the whole family tells you everything I did all week. It's Monday, January twenty eighth two thousand nineteen from sleet. It's the gist. I might Pasco. Yeah. Of course, it's far too reductive from Washington insiders to look back at that shutdown and use it to winners and losers, right? This is undoubtedly the weakest moment of President Trump's tenure in office. The president may be the commander in chief of the American military, but Nancy Pelosi now looks like the commander in chief of Donald Trump. I think Nancy Pelosi is obviously the big winner. Here, you know, a month ago people were questioning whether she should even be speaks. He actually did. I shared Jason's winner in this situation. It is definitely Nancy Pelosi Nancy Pelosi. It's Nancy Pelosi. She did it. I wonder what changed about Nancy Pelosi because you know, there was a time when the conventional wisdom was that Nancy Pelosi was kind of stiff not nimble not able to adapt to situations that demanded you change on the fly. So what was it? What changed after she faced Donald Trump? What do we? Find out that wasn't true about her in reflecting upon her confrontation with Donald Trump. Well, those critiques for sure Cummings was predictable. Not exciting. Sure. Implacable, but also an emotive. But now that she's gone up against Donald Trump and out strategized, Donald Trump. I guess she brought all her skills and tactics to bear against Donald Trump turns out we were wrong. She's a bit of a master tactician a to have overcome the stratagems of a Donald Trump. She matched which with Donald Trump, and somehow was not outmaneuvered again should have been outmaneuvered by Donald Trump. I guess she's not the risk averse symbol of caution. Ono with Donald Trump is her opponent. She revealed herself to be widely in. Ever bordering on the lethal as proved by her mastery of this showdown with Donald Trump. Okay. It is clear that what is going on is that while Pelosi's flaws were never quite as flawed as we had been told many Democrats, by the way, we're doing the telling we really shouldn't think we've discovered this tally ran like negotiator in our midst and shrewd as her spine is steeled. Maybe that's a bit of an exaggeration because in a two sided negotiation. There is the other side. It's like one of those unbeatable Taiwanese teams the Little League World series. I mean, they do seem imposing, but they are beating up on twelve and thirteen year olds Pelosi actually benefited to be very fair to Pelosi who I credit she benefited from her weakness and her weakness fairly or not fairly. I think it's true that she somewhat unexciting, but being unexciting was a great strength in this the Goshi. When you have an opponent who over excitedly goes off half cocked and runs around in circles and takes blaming assigns blame it deflects blame you all you have to do. It's just kind of bland and somewhat competent, no wall. You win cautious dependent consistent. It's what the more firebrand of Dem's on the campaign trail took issue with it's what they said they'd be voting against. And yet, those are the qualities that Slade the dragon or maybe it's more like Nancy Pelosi was simply a large immovable lands and the dragon was prone to dancing and flopping about until eventually he impaled himself. So what I'm saying is that Nancy Pelosi master tactician and perfectly fine with that. Which is to say perfectly fine in a fight against Donald Trump. Just perfect on the show today. I should feel about Roger stone and those in his slithery or. Orbit. But I the other two is a new show on comedy central about this preteen pop sensation. Well, actually, it's not about him. It's about his two adult siblings. They are the other two. Now, the boys sibling is an actor in waiter who has not been cast in much lately. So it's got to be hard. When your little brother has a viral, hit before sporting hair on his upper lip drew Tarver plays. The other brother carry with a likeability. And also a vulnerability the veteran improv or stop by to talk about his role and another two or three. Support for this podcast. And the following message comes from slack the collaboration hub for work. No matter. What work? You do. Teamwork on slack happens in channels where your information in conversations are organized around projects offices and teams and because everything you need to work his in one place. It's faster and easier to get things done designed to support the way people like you naturally worked together slack makes collaborating with your colleagues online as easy inefficient is face to face. The more slack is used across a company the more value it provides as tools and information shared by one department become accessible across departments helping teams work together across locations time zones or job titles with slack to right people in your team or kept in the loop. And the information they need is always at their fingertips. Learn more at slack dot com. So drew Tarver is this very funny guy who I was researching in preparation for the interview you're about to hear, but I had one of those slight brain cramps. And I kept coming up with a hit that told me he was a member of Howard. Stern's wack pack was also a member of the K K K. And I realized I was putting into the search engine. Daniel Carver not drew tar. I see both are from Georgia and say outrageous thing, yes. Yeah. We'll talk. Hopefully, we don't share too much. But I could see that. I can see how you up all the wack Packers. Is he the one you most identify with? I I don't know, maybe a Beetlejuice Beetlejuice, one of the I think he might Beetlejuice fetal not in this environment as we say, right? Yes. So these show that Mr. Tarver is here to talk about is. I think it has a chance to become one of these have you seen the other ones because it's got a lot of. Things. It's about a Justin Bieber esque character. But not about him. What about his brother and sister? Yes, we are plays. I play Kerry on the show Kerry do Beck who is the older brother to adjust in Bieber esque singer, internet sensation. And I am much more of a loser. He's the talented one of the family, and we are you know, me and a Halina your who plays. My sister on the show. We are the other two. So we are just the other two in the family that nobody cares about and following him around. And so the elements of the show that I think give it a real chance to kind of breakthrough. And there were so many sitcoms are well, just the craftsmanship and joke in joke out. But there it's got a couple of things that I think are very appealing one is the parts of the show where the you interact with real media is real you're really on. Well, you're not on the real today show. Right. It's not a full version of the today show. Right. It takes place soda and calf. Yeah. It takes place in this. Swirled? Yes. With these shows. Yes. And the songs that the Bieber ask character sings are fantastic terrible. But in the way, that's only like eight degrees off from the real song. That's number eight on the billboard chart today. Yes. It is. I mean, Chris Kelly, and Sarah Schneider who wrote the show who used to be head writers. They wrote do it in my twin bed back home. Ballers, they they had been doing these amazing comedic songs at SNL. And now they are doing them for this character whose name is chased dreams we can keep saying Bieber esque or chase dreams little babes. It'd be and they're so funny. But they are very they. 'cause the guy who writes the music the actual beats and stuff for them rights for choice avant. His name's Leland and rights for all these real pop have to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's got he has the hooks. It's all there. They treat them like a real engineered pop song. And then they. Just write jokes for it. And they're so so funny. Yeah. So the to get a show like this. Exactly. Right. The creators the actors can go in a very mean direction and everything is very nihilist or they could try to find ways to give it heart. And I think the way they found to give it heart was two main things one the kids, not a monster. Like you kinda like the kid, right? And the second thing is your character, not your sister. But your character is a very redeemable person right eye relatable doesn't mean anything in that probably has something to do with your performance, but you can watch the show and kind of hope most of the people die in a fiery rack for your entertainment except for your. Yes, I think they do a great job of making making it feel like a real family dynamic. They don't shy away from any sweet real family moments. And what would it be like if a real sweet kid just started became an overnight sensation? And he. He was sweet and you did root for him. But he was maybe getting bad guidance and stuff, and I mean, my sister. She's she's like a monster ish sometimes on the show, but they do really make the show have deep real moments that the comedies sits around that you can kind of grasp onto and they don't treat the fee or they don't deal deal with that character with a ton of cynicism. Right. So I did read one review which compared you to the Jason Bateman character and arrested development. I know the hair is a little spike, you I think it's a little off in that. He's more like in a different universe were. And you're at least a couple observations. Your character is at least adjacent to the wacky universe there. Yes. Your character isn't totally without flaws or character skull Yakup up things about yes. Yeah. And the last thing would be is you're not always relied on four say reaction shots that was he's a great actor. But that was his purpose in the show. You have to kind of see the show through him. That's not exactly what's going on in the show. Would you say? Yeah. I would I would say that my character kind of goes back and forth between straight manning other people and being like, they're wrong and himself being fully wrong about things. So it was an interesting thing to take on acting wise because sometimes you're like, okay, am I smarter than this person. Or am I dumb than this person is my character, smarter or dumber is it? You have to always be consistent. I felt like I had to because probably 'cause I'm not I'm I don't even really view myself sometimes as an actor. I'm just kind of I started doing sketch and improv and now I am on the show. I am an actor was just character you've played longest because you were on what's that jillion dollars? Jillion dollar properties which did go for three seasons. But this feels thing is when something on C. So how can you kill it back and to say, it's not getting ready to I know. Right. Like, we don't know there's still a fourth season that has yet to come out because he's just went away. We lost. We the laws, but Jillian everybody's on on trying to torrent it, but yeah, you're Romania. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I guess what? I'm saying is I felt weird being like, okay. Can we stop the scene? Am I smart in this? You know, I think it just the writers Christmas are so good that they you know, if I ever had a question of like how how dumb should I be right here or do I know better than this. Because the character knows better, but he's just desperate. So I think he he's an actor. Who may be got one commercial where he smells a cat. Yeah. He is just a desperate desperate actor who's trying to figure out. Should I distance myself from this fame that I don't want, but it is fame? Name. So should I use it to help my career this character, parallels, my life and a lot of ways. So it is when I first read it part of me was like, wait. Are you guys making fun of me? Because my my little sisters were the talented ones of the family. I grew up in the middle of nowhere in Georgia small town called Glenville, which is a great place to grow up, but there's just not a ton of arts there. So you like if you wanna be funny, you get up in church, and you say something funny about the wise men and see if you can get a lot or you wait till a frankencense humor. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hi there so many animals in here. This is a birth place. And I grew up really, honestly, my family was a little bit religious. So my first experiences were with comedy were funny pastors and and funny Christian comedians, but my sisters were singers and dancers and were really the talented ones of the family. I couldn't sing I couldn't dance. So my little sister Caitlin was on a the year after American idol. There was a spin off American juniors which was hosted by secrets my sister. Auditioned for it. My dad drove her up there and was like we don't get you on this show. Baby trove up there they got on the show, then she instead of voting a kids off they got in the top ten they couldn't vote kids off because it was too mean. So this was back then when they couldn't vote, right, right? Yeah. Yeah. Now, they're fine. Where the firing McCann. Yeah. This was two thousand three much easier time, so she got on the top ten and instead of voting kids off they would vote one kid on each week to a five person group that Simon cow. What was going to manage? They flew us all the whole family all of us rednecks out to LA to sit on the side of the stage while she saying each week secrets she would sing secrets with throw to us. And we'd be like be like Tarver's. What did you think? We'd be like dang we loved it. So we I was kind of living this show. I was seventeen at the time. She continued. She didn't make it on the group that Simon Callow is going to manage, unfortunately. But through that, I would we would walk outside of the studio and people would go Caitlyn that's my sister's name. Caitlyn caitlin. And then they would turn to me and go Caitlyn's, brother. And they I was like this town is great. You can just do nothing and people will sort of yellow your name. This is great. So at that point our family had kind of been exposed to Hollywood. And I was like what do I like? And eventually I started. Sort of figuring out. Oh, maybe my attention is a need to make people laugh. So I started doing stuff like that and found out about UCB. And and now Kaelin's big recording star. She she is she's great. She's like on this season. I mean, she's still the talented one of the she Sern -able impurity provable town. Absolutely, absolutely. And yes, she's songwriting. She lives in LA. She song. She was on this season of ballers, she's doing great. And I'm still I'm still trying to get people to know me, not as Caitlyn's brother now as part of your real life experience that parallel the show. Did you come up against or did you encounter? One running joke on the show that everybody has a gay brother. Right. Yes. That back in two thousand three two thousand four we admitting that no we weren't. No. I was it's a strange thing. Like, I play a gay actor on the show kind of dealing with the industry, and whether you whether you're out or. Not or in real life. I'm bisexual actor. So it's like it's so almost identical that it's very strange. But no, I think an episode one. There's a line about bisexuality is now something we can admit exactly it, very it. There's a joke about like high hell by like, I think the joke is it's not two thousand fourteen anymore by bisexuality is real now. Which is a funny joke on by erasure, which is a very real thing. That is the the creators are so good and the room is so good at making, you know, queer jokes making fun of certain things. And and yeah, I was not out then and very much, you know, have dealt with that along in my career trying to figure it out. And Carey in the show is also very much trying to figure out himself and his identity. So it was an interesting thing to be on a comedy show on comedy central. But also be doing scenes where like it feels like this is really like so close in scary right now invulnerable also I may be wrong because I'm not exactly on the cutting edge of this. But it seems to me that it's possible that this show is the first that's exactly at the at the intersection of it's not just a queer show. But there's tons of stuff there. That speaks to the moment of where we are. But then there's also a ton of stuff. That's you know, probably would be classically in a lot of sitcoms of 'bout straight, sex and stuff. Yeah. So the thing that's new is a sitcom with maybe the sister character who's having sex with Beck Bennett. And right throwing that in our face while at the same time, the same exact thing is going on with the brother, and they're not backing away from it in any way. They're not making a joke about it. They show two guys lying on top of each other. Yeah. Yeah. It's a great. They don't shy away from anything in this show. Sexually that may be some shows will be like, no, we can't show two guys kissing. Yeah. And and but it also parallels. You know that a lot of this stuff is saying is the same for gay and straight people, you know. So it's, but it's definitely it has a ton of queer real queer issues in it that that my character is is dealing with it. I would have liked to see in a show growing up to be like. Oh, okay. Yeah. There's there's some stuff that once you come out you deal with that still feels tough like what just sort of like internalized, homophobia. You know, you've you've been hiding yourself for so long that you can't really get it out of your system that that you still deal with in this character still deals with going through at one point. He is at a bar and a guy says he comes up to Carrie and goes, oh, ask him out on a date and carries. Like, why didn't you ask me out? A while. Ago. And he's like, oh, I didn't know you were gay and carries us. Thank you. And the guys like, ooh. And cares. Like, oh, no, no. I didn't mean thank you just stuff like that. And it kind of feels gross. And and you just get to see that stuff, which I think is a cool thing for for a show on comedy central. So will you know, you've made it when your sister identifies herself as drew sister. Yes. I think that's what I'm trying to do is switch the dynamic. I will be finally, okay, good somebody when somebody when we walk out of a studio and somebody else drew Andrew's sister. I'll be like okay now, I can stop. I'm going to move home. Drew Tarver is one of the titular other ones. It's sort of an off handed titular right because it's like referring to the other ones. So the main character isn't even referred you. But technically, he's the main character of this sitcom, that's really about the other characters retard ver the other one's on comedy central. Great to meet you nice to meet you. Now the ship. He'll I've largely avoided getting sucked into the tanned vortex. That is Roger stone. He's like a puffed up Tinkerbell in that he needs you to believe in him or he'll fade away into nothingness, which was actually a fate. I had hoped for him. So if you're a New Yorker growing up in the era that I was and paying some attention to politics stone was always there on the present. But on asked for like, a squeegee guy on the fifty ninth street bridge. He sunk Spitzer his messaging for Al D'Amato, essentially lost him the Senate seat, and he was kind of the connective tissue between Donald Trump and sore on lawyer ROY Cohn, and like a tissue Roger stone was often discarded. But then he seemed to blow back stone was house of slithering before J K Rowling ever cashed a welfare check and his exploits intermingled with all that was sorted in Gotham for much of my youth. He also had four. As onto the national scene, which is what SNL weekend update anchor. Michael Chang was referring to when he said this on Saturday, by the way, I googled this guy Roger stone because he looks like he pays black guys to bang his wife. Found out in nineteen ninety six. He was forced to resign from Bob Dole's campaign for asking black guys to bang his wife. Kidding? Look it up. It's fans. Muscular guy. Sure, but I saw no reference to black guys per se the National Enquirer broke this story in nineteen Ninety-six about stone and his wife frequenting swinger clubs and they took out ads advertising their wares. Here's the New Yorker pretty ING it up when they quoted an ad insatiable, lady and her handsome bodybuilder husband, experienced swingers seek similar couples or exceptional muscular dot dot single men. The New Yorker goes hunt. You say the ads sought athletes and military men while discouraging overweight candidates that was the New Yorker what they actually said in the ad was no phonies or fat. He's so there's plenty of advertising of the muscular, I didn't see any advertising. I didn't see any references to stone seeking out black men. In fact, there was an excerpt from a piece of writing about the DC swinger. Scene which had Roger stone disapprovingly look at a woman in a swingers club in a short skirt and attractive, white woman and said, she's probably slept with every black man here. And that was a problem for him. So it seemed anyway, my favorite detail from the National Enquirer story in one thousand nine hundred six about these swinger ads. Stone took out on the net. Was this quote website is a place on the internet. Where computer users who pay a fee can post any pictures and texts they want then anyone who visits the internet can access the website stone surrounded himself with a coterie of characters some of his own invention. He plays to operatives in the campaigns of rival candidates. He nicknamed one sedan chair to he actually did the thing early on in his career where he delivered pizzas to another campaigns address one time he delivered twenty pizzas to the Edmund Muskie campaign for fundraiser. He also hired for that. Fundraiser to children's magicians from the Virgin Islands, and then invited dozens of African and Middle Eastern dignitary to the fundraiser, even though they weren't invited. Weirdly, the Muskie staffer who had to sort out the the mess with the pizzas and the magicians and the ambassador from Kenya was a young DC housewife with a big political donor husband who seemed pretty unflappable her name Madeleine Albright. But with the Trump campaign stone had dealings with let us say like minded blonde prankster slash parcel mouth. Julian Assange, the seven count indictment against him issued by the mother team stone is said to have worked with a guy named Randy credit. Co ready credit co is sometimes identified as a radio host. Well, he did have a show on the radio station. WBAI for awhile WBAI is the kind of community run station. That's not exactly in the business of saying you have to stop being on the air at. So credit co hosted his program live on the fly as in gadfly credit. Go really does have classic lefty politics very much civil rights. I guess he thought Roger stone was funny or interesting credit co interviewed stone and critical also interviewed Julian Assange, the great publisher also from Australia, Jillian, Julian Assange, thank you Jillian for joining us today. So credit co is suspected of being the go between connecting Assange and stone stone, according to the indictment did not like that being out there. So he threatened credit coz beloved dog Bianca a service dog who he took with him to testify before the grand jury. Assange also advise credit co to pull a Frank Pantano a reference to the godfather to character who conveniently got him nesia when called to testify before a Senate panel, Michael gold. Michael guliani? So whatever they wanted me to be I promised. So I made up of about my only because that's what they wanted. But it's all lies. Fray pen tangibly, by the way and godfather two slits his wrists in a bathtub. So when stone was telling credit co to pull a Frank Pantano. Julie what did he mean here is? Roger stone's explanation to CNN's Chris Cuomo as far as Frank potentially is concerned, Mr. credit Cole is an impressionist. That's when he does. And he doesn't very funny. Frank pin Kandula imitation, certainly not an implication that he should kill himself or that he should lie. Is that plausible that old? Raj was just after the classic Frank Penn. Tangibly impersonation that Randy critic, oh wheeled I cannot independently confirm the quality of Randy credit coz Frank Pantano, but I did have him doing a couple impressions. So in this in this event, which was put on YouTube in two thousand thirteen don't know when it's from critical is brought onto stage by the Reverend Al Sharpton, and he's asked to do. Impression of the Reverend Al Sharpton, the audio is not great. But this is really Al Sharpton. For me. One of those you want about brothers from vintage edgy bills. How to do as wellness? Sorry. Of the shaving. Imagine shoe is reading because it. Then again, the audio is of poor quality, but not worse than Randy critic goes impression of al-shar Poston. And the lovers. We'll get together. And they would they chocolate. Mud. Credit coz, Jesse Jackson got a slightly better reaction from the crowd. Just Jackson could not vote out shopping because he's. The most people to go see Rangel phobe want to say, this is a great pleasure to be here today. This is a weird right critical. White. Did I mention that? So you haven't doing impressions of preachers and civil rights leaders before a civil rights crowd odd. But you know, what else is odd? The fact that Al Sharpton in two thousand four had a major campaign advisor named Roger stone. That's right. The village voices. Great investigative reporter Wayne Barrett confirmed quote stone played a pivotal role in putting together Sharpton, pending application for a federal matching funds getting dollars in critical states from family members and political allies at odds with everything Sharpton represents he stone also helps stack the campaign with half a dozen incongruous top aides who've worked for him in prior campaigns and don't even boasted about engineering six-figure loans to sharpens national action network. If it's weird and squirrelly and discordant and made up of strange and usually muscular bedfellows. There is Roger stone. Enjoying the Ron. I do not know if he's innocent of the charges against him. But innocent is not a word that often applies to Roger stone's tactics or motivations that is at least the impression that I get though as in many of these things it could be a very very bad impression. That's it for today's show. The just was produced by pure Vietnamese, Daniel shredder, they both have famous symbols peers brother, you may know better as the guy punched in the nuts by that Aranka Tang that time, and when Daniel sister was h us to stand on her bathroom vanity and gift herself full-throated affirmations to giraffe's L senior producer of sleep podcasts. Her brother Rafael Rafael is the Florida undergraduate who screamed don't taste me, bro. Low though, so many times the gist. I do have a famous sisters. Well, the other one in my case as Lauren Pasqua. She played miss Adeline in a school five production of guys and dolls. Choose also in several George Lucas films, but quit vowing never to work in a Wookey suit again in Predappio ru and thanks for listening.

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13: Millennial Woes, Bad Children, and Bad Parents

Chrisley Confessions

48:19 min | 2 years ago

13: Millennial Woes, Bad Children, and Bad Parents

"Hey, guys. So it is wins day before thanksgiving welcomed Christly confess. I am so excited because you know, I love me some things giving love me some Julienne some Jewish thanksgiving. I am so happy we his twenty three times. This will be the twenty third time. Twenty third thanksgiving. We've done a lot of things more than twenty three thanksgivings. It's crazy. Right. I mean, some years where home for thanksgiving some years we travel for thanksgiving we go away. And even if we travel for thanksgiving, I always cook. I mean, like, I always cook for thanksgiving. But this year were home for thanksgiving, which is is nice. And this year's a little different. We're actually having a friend's giving. Yes. Of course, we have our family, but you know, we've also invited several friends who are not going home for thanksgiving because of things that's going on in their family or travel, or what have you? Our friend, Tracy and her mother and her sons. Excited me and tell you how life can really change for you. When I was growing up, my grandmother her soap operas would come on and say, listen, you ate your food because my stories is coming on. And you can't talk your my story what she meant about. Her story was the soap operas and the rest restless, and after all of growing up with young and the restless and Katherine chancellor, Brock and snapper in jail and all of that and their way too much about this. We are now dear dear friends with Tracey bregman who plays Lauren in more and more who you know. I would watch that just to watch her think about all things she was and still is at least stunning but stunning on the outside. But even more stunning on the in fact, let me tell you a woman that is even more stunning than Tricy her mom her mother O M G. This is what Todd is so looking forward to tomorrow as being able to have dinner with Tracy's mom when I tell you. This woman has such a pedigree in Hollywood, I mean gun smoke. She was on so many other shows that I never even knew about. And if you look at her pitchers when she was Tracy's age traces a clone for this woman today, but this woman, I think she's like in her late. We don't talk about age. You can't I'm gonna I'm gonna talk about it. Because this woman deserves credit. Think she's in her mid eighties. But this woman looks like she's sixty she looks like she's sixty and she gets around. So amazingly wail. I mean, nothing slows her down. She's involved in everything she's current on what's going on in this country. She is literally like a national treasure to sit and speak to this woman. And so I am miss. Susan. You have made Todd's day. Yes. Wait for two Mara. Suzanne. It's going to be sitting right beside me. Of course, she who would have thought that I would have fallen in love with Lauren fin more all those years ago. Only to really, you know, love her mom a little more, right? So Tracy, enter mom and boys are coming and Josh and ralian or coming and everyone loves ralian. She's just she's like my other daughter. His ralian has her new song out right now tailgate love me. Some tile loveless. Let me about tailgate. Tell gate could have been my anthem. And I think it could be everyone. Anthem throughout the country. Because listen, I'm not the only one that was it fifteen those a lot of and going on fifteen thing about it is I love the Roelant just has so much spunk to her and love her music is so raw and so real and people so relate to it. Which is why I think she's just blowing off the charts right now, but tailgate talks about that? Don't let that tailgate tell on me because we all know we'd been on a tailgate. Don't be sitting here line saying. Yeah, ain't if you listen right now what's a tailgate? I never done on a tailgate U N denial. And if you ain't done it on the tail gets just because you went raised raised in the country. Because I t right now, I broke them hinges. Awesome tailgate. Oh my gosh. Todd your tailgate don't tell them me. And then chats going to be with us, Chad. Chad chad. Dis. Yes, it's all I hear about is. Chad folks is tell y'all something Chad came into our life what two years ago. Yeah. Probably about two years ago, and he was cutting Julie's hair, cutting Savannah's hair. And he would always say y'all need to tell Todd let me cut his hair. I will give him a great haircut. I have been the best male stylists and Nashville for several years. No, I get my haircut in LA. I'll get it cut. Each time. I go there, folks. Shannon cuts all of our hair in Los Angeles. And she's amazing and we worship her. Chad cuts are here in Nashville. I ended up letting him cut my hair at he's close to Shannon as I've ever gotten. And this guy is absolutely one of the funniest people. You're going to see him in season seven he's one of the funniest guys in the world. But he's one of the most genuine human beings ever had the pleasure of of bringing into our life. He doesn't find. Comfort in someone else's pain. He's always worried about someone else's failings. Listen, Chad is gay. I don't have a problem with that. Because Hello, I'm accused of it ninety five percent of the day. But Chad is from a small town in Mississippi to where he's had so many people come at him. Because of who he is. And you're going to see in season seven of our show, a story that he tells that actually changed our life on kind of how we viewed things on our perspective of how to handle people that live differently than you. So we'll have Chad there for thanks. So love him. So my house is going to be full. So listen after finish this podcast. I have a full day's work ahead of me. You're acting like I don't do anything. What do you do? I will make sure that if asked the text every person that what time foods gonna be and they better not waiting. That's right. All right. 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I have recently had a job here in kind of decided that I definitely don't wanna go go home because that home I have a safer other who has put up with emotionally and physically he's been for years. Just for that. Her children could have raised over her head. I am very thankful for everything. She put up with her is I don't think that I can tolerate it anymore. How do you think? I should go about telling my mom that I can't come home and with their anymore because it's not her fault. It's my dad, but I don't wanna hurt my mom because she's an amazing new. But at the same time, I unless can't handle or she. Thank you. Caitlyn? Caitlin. Caitlin caitlin. First of all like to say super proud of you for being in college. And forgetting that job offer that is amazing. Caitlyn unless you have siblings at home that your mother has to stay there. I mean, what would be wrong, and you inviting your mom to come and see you. This is what literally breaks my heart every day. It is not a child responsibility to do a parent's job. It's just not. And I feel like we hear so many stories and of women especially women now mean can be in this position as well. I'm not saying that we have had we have had H I signed that was in an abusive relationship, but women will stay in a relationship with men are whether partner for financial security because they feel like they're doing the right thing that they can't do it on their own. Absolutely. And it is so sad in this world that we don't offer the kind of support that's needed. And that women feel like they are not good enough. They're not strong enough to make the move and stand on their own. So I would encourage you lead at this point you have to lead. By example, you have to lead for your mother, you have to let her see you out here, providing for yourself moving forward being an independent strong woman and try to pull her along with you. I mean, I know it's a it's a burden to carry that. You're having to parent your parents. But unfortunately, it is what it is. And as close as I'm sure that you are to your mother, and you said wonderful things about her on this call you don't know everything your mother's been through. And I would our encourage you rather than talked to her in a manner that well, why don't you just leave him? Why don't you just go and whatever try to understand where she's coming from offer her that support system and pray that she has the strength to make the move now that you're out of the house. These kind of things just bother me on so many levels. You can't abandon your mother. Your mother didn't abandon you. And you have to Julie said you have to lead. By example, you have to let your mother know that there's a way out you have to let your dad know that there's never a right time for him to put his hands on your mother in a moment of anger or any other time you, and I've talked about this over the years that the emotional abuse is sometimes more damaging than the physical because the bruises will go away. Right. Because it almost sounds like your mother and has been beaten down so much emotionally that herself esteem is not where it needs to be. And she feels like she can't do any better. You know, that she has no way out. So you know, you are becoming a young adult. Now, you are getting educated you have a job offer. So encourage your mouth. Other just to to find that strength into to. Maybe like Todd said have her come visit you and just to give you that one on one time with her. So your relationship can transition into something other than just a mother and daughter because you're now becoming a young adult. So your your relationship takes on a different role at this point, do you as a woman as a young woman, your mother as a woman, and you become friends at this point? You can have the deepest level friendship as as to women, and you know, that things are are some of the things that your mother's been through. And so I would just encourage you to encourage her, and I want I want you to call back next week and tell me where your other siblings are because depending on their age, you know, maybe you all get together. And you do something wonderful for your mother, and you show her there's a better life out there. And you talk to your dad you so you know, what we had to put up with this when we were children, but we will not allow. How our mother to go through it now, and you you partner together to to build your mother 'cause you're you just said that your mother stayed with this man to keep a roof over her kids heads, we get what? Now, maybe you help keep a roof over your mother's head until she can figure out how to do it on her own because she was there for you. You have to be there for her and the bible says once that adult twice a child, and what that means is that, you know, you you go out here in this world, you're an adult, and you have kids and you're live your life. But then as you get older, and you know, like my mother is seventy four now. And I do a lot more today. Juliet I do than we've ever had to do for her because we do see that. There's that change occurring. We do know that that second twice a child is starting to come back. Again, do what you think is in the best interest of you, and your mom and your siblings, and please call us back, and let us know how things are going and kind of how this worked out for you next caller place. Hi, this is Maya from New York City. I'm currently in Baltimore in my third year of college. And I had a question. So. I'm the show. Seems like Julie doing all the cooking and cleaning and Todd is. Sort of mainly the guests the breadwinner of the house. So I was wondering being more modern. And so she oh economical. You know status in the country today how this scene like Julie has that nineteen fifties. Housewife role to her. So I was just wondering about that. And what are your thoughts on? Your role in your relationship and your roles as Herron. Two years children. Thank you so much. I love your show. Good morning Maya. I'm going to jump in here that I'm gonna let Judy jump in here. I know without even the fact that you're your third year in college tells me that you're a millennial. And your statement says it, even if you know told me that she was three years in college. Yes. I have always provided financially for my family. I have always worked every day. But I have also when I got married actually Juliana Klein, I should talk to laundry because I was raised by mother who taught her sons how to do these things, but we just had this conversation. The other day when Judy was talking about all of these men that are in the public grocery stores on Saturdays. What I'm going to say to you from from my mother's generation from grandparent's generation. They didn't have fifty three percent divorce. Right. The wives. Did stay at home. They cook they claim they took care of the children. The husbands get your worked and tried to provide for them. Because that's the way society was we don't live that way anymore. I have raised two daughters to believe that they can stand side by side with any man that's walking and half the time stand in front of him. But everyone has a role in any game that you're playing if you're the quarterback that your role if you are the defensive linemen that's your role. You can't have five quarterbacks on one football team. And Julie when she and I I got married we had a very clear definition of what we wanted out of our marriage. Is that correct Julie? Yes. And what was your definition of what she wanted your role to be? I wanted to be a w-. Wife. I wanted to be a mother and wanted to take care of my home and keep in mind. Hot husband, those roles have have changed somewhat. Not not that they've changed. But there's been things added to. I think what we're trying to say is what works for us works for us. What works for you works for you. But it doesn't really work because what's happening in today's society. You're sitting here telling me that when you go to the public's that ninety five percent of the people that's in there shopping are men with babies in their little backpacks one in the cart and no mother around. So I would say that where we are in society as a whole we've got a fifty three percent divorce rate. We've got a higher teen suicide rate than we've ever had in the history of this country. You've got more adultery going on today than we've ever had in this country. I listen there's been going on since the beginning. But we got more of it going on today. And with less regard to the consequences of the results of that adultery. So my what I would like to give you some advice on is is that just because you're check may match your husband's check doesn't mean. You don't have to do his duty. Drawers, it doesn't mean. You don't have to make his bed. It doesn't mean. You don't have to mop your floor, nor does it mean. Because he's making the same amount of money that he doesn't have to put a load of laundry in our make your bed or pick up the child after school. Let's call teamwork making the dream work. And just because you don't see me mopping the floor on the show, doesn't may my back has not been broke from pushing them up in my day. It doesn't mean that I've not taken trash out. It doesn't mean that I still do laundry to this day. Just don't see that on the show, and I have worked outside the home. Yes. So when my children were in school got up. I got dressed took my kids to school. Our until time to pick them up from school. So there have been times in our marriage where I have solely worked inside the home. And then there's been times in our marriage where I've done both. I worked inside the house, and I've had outside jobs. So it works for us. My what I think that you're missing here. And what you're getting ready to say. And I say this about my own children. Is that a marriage is never fifty fifty. A partnership is never fifty fifty. I don't care if you're gay if you're straight. That's nothing to do with this. One person is always going to be doing a little bit more at certain times in this relationship. And whatever it is listen there's going to be times there's been times in our marriage where Todd is ninety percent of the work AbdIn tan percent. There's been times when I've done ninety and I don't know chip done. None. But you can never and I feel like with the generation of the millennials. It is tit for tat. I can remember Lindsay will would be working and lanes would be home all day and the minute will walk through the door. He was expected to take Jackson because she had had him all day and it works for them. That's what works for them. That would not work for us. No. I think that I think it's a matter of every relationship what works for you has to work for you. But don't you think that Lindsey feels that way because she knows a she's a college graduate. Yes that she runs her own business kind of a little bit like Maya. You know, I'm bringing in as much money as my husband's bringing in. And I'm still expected to be the fulltime mom, the fulltime grocery getter, the time this the fulltime that so I get how that resentment starts to creep in. But I have again, you're getting a response. My fifty year old. My response is not going to be what you wanna hear. Because Maya sweetheart if you think you're gonna find a man that is going to do. Everything that you want him to do all because you're making the same amount of money that he's making Myers trying to throw shade a little bit right now because she ain't say me push them up, and she's trying to say you June cleaver, right? So let's get it right here. Maya does not want to be with someone that she's making fifty thousand he's making fifty thousand washes, she have to do the laundry. That's where my is. And that's why I know my is a millennial. So my m I want you to call me and ten years after you have already been through your divorce because your husband that pissed off because you felt like because you made one cent more than him that you didn't have to put dinner on the table. You didn't have to take care of the baby. You didn't have to do the laundry and you got pissed off him because on Saturday. He played a video game when he could have been washing your car. It's never going to be fifty fifth. Right. And I think the bottom line is. And I'm we're gonna. This because we could argue this all day long. I'm not argue with you. I'm arguing with my listeners straight. Well, our youth Maya. But I think if you're in a marriage are in a relationship. Whatever works for y'all works for y'all whatever works for us. It's nobody's business. If I wanna do your laundry for the next fifty seven years, exactly because you loved you you drink bath one and don't get carried away. But what I'm saying is is that you have to get into a groove in any relationship where you figure out the defined roles of who's doing what? And that takes time. What one person's strength is what one person's weaknesses and what works for you. So that's all that's all she's going to say my. But I got something for you sister. I know how to mop a floor. You know, the only thing my that. I can't do. And it's the only thing that I cannot too. And that is to cook you a male, but I can post make the hell out of it. So next caller place. Hi. Todd, and Julie my name is Olivia. I'm from Connecticut for rise. And I had a question my father actually, just passed away a few years ago and my twenty and I know that Todd lost his father and Julie lost. Her brother, honest, wondering how you don't hear Greece, and what you've done to kind of support your own heart, and what you've learned. I love you so much. You have a good one. Livia? I think that you learned to live with with grief. I think that you that's what I've had to do. I mean, you know, I miss my daddy every day of every day of my life and each year that I get older I missing that much more because I'm getting closer to some of the moments in his life that I never understood that as a young man looking at the decisions he was making at that time that where I am right now. I'd be like do that is so backwards. Why would you do that? And now when I'm at the age when I was questioning what he was doing it. Now all makes perfect sense to me. So I think that you know, grief is a funny thing, it's a really not a funny things a complex. It's very complex emotion. And if you had a great relationship with your loved one, then you have to focus on those times that you had and give gratitude to the good Lord above that. He left that person in your life for that many years. Years. Thank God every day that I that. I had my daddy for seventy seven years. Thank god. That I was there with him. You know, when he drew his last breath. I think that we're find comfort is that. I know that I was good to my daddy. I know that took care of him until he drew his last breath. I went in. I shaved him every day. Even when he was on a ventilator, I shaved him. I put clean pajamas on ham. Because my dad was very much like me when it came to his appearance. And I think that helps me to know that that I did all that I could do for my daddy, and I was respectful to him. So what I would say is that, you know, get into prayer truly get into prayer cling to the ones that are here with you that can share in that emotion. And celebrate the life and the time that you had with them. I mean, that's the way that I've handled it, absolutely. And talk about it. Find a support support system. P people that have gone through the same thing you've gone through can bring different perspectives that things, but I would say again, just as Todd is said cherish the time that you had 'cause there's nothing that you can do to bring that person back, but use it as a tool to learn other loved ones in your life to don't say things, you don't mean say things, you do mean and never left things unsaid, basically. And I can honestly truthfully. Reiterate that there was nothing left unsaid between me and my dad, and you know, sometimes people say, you know, I would just rather it be very instant. Than to know that I'm gonna lose my loved one. Daddy was diagnosed in may of two thousand and eleven with liver cancer, and it gave us we lost him in July of two thousand eleven. But it gave us that time to make sure that nothing nothing was unsated. My dad's said everything he wanted to say to his grandchildren to my mother to Julie because he worshipped Julie. He said everything he wanted to say to me to my brother, he was where he needed to be. And I remember sitting in their living room, and he was in his recliner because he was so cold and the ad wrapped up in a blanket. And I looked at him in sedan where you with God. And my daddy was not he he was not a heavy talker. But he looked at me, and he kinda he winked that one I and held his thumb up. And he said, I'm good, son. Good. I know where I'm going. So I live with that piece of no one where my dad he is. Pray everyday to live a righteous life a life of trying to do the right thing. You know, we've been pulled into a lot of wrong things from business associates and things like that. And things that we're still trying to clean up and misconceptions in lies and things like that. But we do try to do the right thing. And I pray every day that I'm going to be better tomorrow than I was today because I wanna go see him again. So I hope that Libya that that helps you a little bit. And if you have any more questions plays Bill free to call us, again, next caller place. Hello. This is time, and I was loved to do a bit more about how you manage the blended family for so long and say, that's it as a couple because you know, I got married over a year. But. And my husband had two children who previously ship, and then we had twins and challenging wanted his children as she lived with us and our biggest fights or relate to the children extent. And I just wanna know her at all without leading side. The love we have for each other. And how you did it have, you know, kind of like how you manage that conflicts of the children, and then the Roach romance, ally or unity. Thank you guys. Thank you for calling in. And we appreciate that you watch the show blended families are hard, they're hard. They're not easy. Just believe that you know. I believe the reason they're not easiest because it's not the way God intended. I mean, you know, when you get married it's supposed to be forever. And unfortunately that doesn't work out fifty three percent of the time. And then these kids have been brought into it. And then you find love again, and these kids they're not in love with the person that you're in love with right now that's not their dad. That's not their mom. And so a child kind of unfortunately, I wish I did not know as much about this is what I do. A child is stuck in the middle of their biological parents. And therefore, they can't truly embrace the new person that has come in their life because they feel they're being disloyal to the other parent. We had that with Lindsey and car with Julie. And you know, I just think that some parents some families do it. Great and others don't do it as well. As what they should. Clearly, I don't think we did it as well as what we what we should have. Because I was going to make sure that I took care of liens in cow. And even though Julie did everything Judy was ever allowed to discipline income. She was not allowed to ours. Made sure that Lindsey cows feelings were never heard because I felt like that. Because their mother had walked away. I was all they had and I had to protect them. What I now realize is that all I did was create an environment for my two older children of them filling in. Titled to be the number one them filling entitled to think that they got to move in front of the line. And I don't know that you can have a blended family with that. I as a matter of fact, no you can't, you know, all the children must feel equal, and you know chasing, savannah, Grayson they never felt equal to Lindsey because they felt like she was the chosen child. Lindsey in the latter part of her life is informed me that she never felt like that. She was the same as you know, savannah and chase and Grayson. So you're damned if you do, and damned if you don't, you know, you're not gonna get any credit for loving the child placing them. I making sure they had everything financially that they needed a mostly. You're not gonna get credit for that. Because these kids from a divorced family. They are wounded and some of these kids choose to be wounded for life, some refuse to look at the blessing that they had that they've got a great step. Mom. They've got a great step, dad. Those people stepped in there and love them and tried to be as. Much of a parent to them as they possibly could they still refuse to acknowledge that. So what I'm going to say to Utah? Is you married? This man for a raisin you fell in love with them. You had faith that you could create a life with him. Do nuts with him and have kids with do not lose focus of what the center of your family is and that you and your husband, and you have to work through it because he's got these kids. But what you do not have to do is allow these kids to tear apart. What you've built absolute. I agree. One hundred percent. All right. I hope that answers your question. I think jus got something else. She wants to share. Yes. I wanna talk about one more of our faves, which is the burst sonic toothbrush. And let me explain why this crisis Fave folks for all of you out there who do not know we're Grayson twelve years old. He's going through puberty. He is. And now the only thing he is fixated on while he's fix it on a lot of things like deodorant and Cologne. 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This chicks gotta go after the mother has reinforced in her child who the mother is. Because they you know, how that would go down in our house. I'm from South Carolina. I believe is smack in the shit out of somebody puts their hands on you. I come at you. I put my hands on you. But you put your hands on me. And you don't let these clothes. I got on food you because I'm I like to fight you know, that will never is going to be fighting. This is combat in her Ohio. Yeah. This is your home you have to lay those ground rules. You have to have those that boundary, and if your child cannot respect your boundaries, then they must have a better plan. And they do they gotta go because. Yeah, they are putting their hands on you. If they're putting their hands on other. Children in the home. No that can't work that just can't work. Can you imagine if chase came at me and said I'm on Joe as daddy. Yeah. Wouldn't be good. I with throat less. End up. We are praying for your family because obviously you need it. I am praying for her family. But I'm praying that she smacks shit out of her daughter. That's what I'm praying far. I'm praying that you remind her who her mom is. And I got also know what you've been doing as a mother that your child feels it's okay to disrespect you to this level. Nephew in church. You run into jobs. You've always kept a roof. Over ahead. You kept McLean. Cafe in this. She still trying to cut you. Nah. Nah. Come South Carolina. Let me let me teach you how we would handle that end South Carolina back in the day today. It's kinda hard for you to kind of choke choke a child out when I do something like that. Because then you going to jail because the DSS is going to get involved because they can handle it better than you can even though they lose in kids in the system every day and don't even know where the hell they play some. But thing Hanley better than you. Can you need to call me back after you don't put this chick on the street because obviously she brought straight up. In your house. So I need to know next week from you what you did successfully to remove the problem send it chick my way, next caller place. Julie. My name is Alex. And I'm from Texas in about at year, my family's gonna make a move. And I know from watching your show, they all made quite a significant move from Georgia Tennessee, and I just wondered if you'll had any advice for us because we are not moving towards family but away from them. Y'all Alex, we did leave Georgia and came to Tennessee because our daughter savannah was here, we never intended it to be a full fulltime move. I was just gonna move your part time. So I could stall Coron know who she was talking to and you know, what kind of families they came from fell in love with Nashville has been the greatest decision one of the greatest decisions that we've ever made. And we love it. I mean, but now all of our family is here now except for Kyle. And your parents you're much younger than what I am. I always looked at moving as a as an exp a new experience figuring out new ways of living on this earth. So I mean, I would embrace that mood, and if you're moving with your significant other and you're moving away from family, that's your time to truly cling to each other to make your relationship stronger to celebrate. If you don't like the extended family, maybe you don't have your family to rely on that you would normally have. So you have to rely on each other. So Matt thing is make sure and do your research away. You're moving to. Cling to each other embrace new opportunities new things get out and explore your city. And yeah. And the worst case scenario is you back exactly that's the option that you have you know, you go back. So I mean embrace this. It's a fun new chapter of your life. And if it doesn't work out, do let my Julia said, come back, next caller place. Hey, guys. This is Jill from Houston, Texas, just curious with guys they so successful with your businesses. What kind of advice would you to somebody who is wanting to start a business one into basic sessile one of the first steps that I should say, thank you guys. But he had GIO from Texas. Well, kind of have just a little not enough information because I don't know what kind of business you wanna start. But I would tell anyone who's looking to start a business research research research. I know everything that you possibly can about the business that you want to start have realistic expectations of that business know that going into it most businesses do not succeed most businesses fail. So you have to be super dedicated you have to be open minded, and you have to not be afraid to work you have to not be afraid to fail. That's that's when it's going to work. You have to not have fear of failure. We've had setbacks. But I'm not now look at it that those were setbacks for a comeback. Absolutely. And and that's worked for us. So don't let fear stand in the way of you going after what you want in your life that you know, is gonna make you happy and don't go into it. Because you think that this is going to make you a gazillion air go into it. Because it's going to give you a motion freedom to be WALE in loving what you do. And that you don't go to bed every night dreading. To wake up the next day to do the same thing. Absolutely next caller. All right. My niece Anne Ray from California. And I was just wondering hard. What are your biggest regret in life? Emery from California, first of all hope that you're safe and sound the California tied. What is my biggest regret? I got a lot of I don't really have a ton of regrets. I guess my biggest regret, and this is probably an I've always found to be honest on this podcast. So that's what I'm gonna do. My biggest regret would be my first marriage. I mean, I had two children from that marriage. And I loved him dearly. But regret that they were with the woman that I had them with. So that would probably be my biggest lifelong pre existing existing regret when you have kids with someone and you devore's, they don't go away forever. They still they sell lies to the tabloids. Still show up trying to get a check they still infiltrate your children with lies. You know, that doesn't go away, and, you know, people call in our they send messages like, you know, tied. We love you so much, but do you ever sometimes think that it's not okay? Okay. To talk about you know, your your first marriage. And that you know, that was that was a mistake. No. It's not because then I'm being fake. And that's not what I'm known for. And it's not what I'm gonna do. I'm not smart enough to maintain fakery. I'm gonna tell you the truth. If you ask me a question just like in redid I'm gonna answer. It honestly, Julie. What's your biggest regret? She didn't ask me. But I'm gonna ask you should be regret is is it that you didn't meet me when you're sixteen probably. You know, I don't like to live my life focusing on regrets. Because you do have some have some fun. But that time we got caught in the Honda prelude in the Charleston parking deck that wasn't regret. All right, y'all heard that As crazy as is probably not going to college. If you wanna go if you wanna go I can put you on that. But no, I don't now. But I did then and that is a regret as you wanted to be a what people don't realize that you wanted to be a pharmacist that crazy you're doing that now between close allergies, and you know, my heartburn medication and Grace's medication acid reflux base dulling right now with that being said guys wanna talk quickly about an app that I'm really loving right now. My God get off of this, folks. 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Now, the thing about it is if I sell something posh, Mark I'm gonna turn around and Bassam posh Martina be a wash listeners, Christly confessions. Get five dollars off your first purchase just enter the invite code confessions. Five when you sign up that's invite code confessions. Five at the posh Mark app. Go try it out. Let me know what you think I tell you what you think it's going to become an addiction in. In your household? Like, it has with savannah, and Julie they literally on our on the phone at night while they're searching this posh Mark and get so excited like they have found the golden ticket. I want a Louis Vuitton handbag for three hundred dollars that originally sold for fifteen hundred. Okay, let's neighboring if you're saving me twelve hundred. I'm still going to bitch about the three hundred. But if you're saving me twelve hundred I'm and I'm going to move on with it. So listen, guys tomorrow's thanksgiving. I want you to call in all of your thanksgiving things, you're thankful for that happened on that Thursday, and all the things that were complete disaster that are going to happen tomorrow because believe it or not there's going to be some disasters. Thanks to happen during thanksgiving dinner tomorrow, and we wanna hear all about it. So with that being said Todd close us out. I'm going to close you out with saying that we in the Christly household or so grateful. And respectful of each and everyone of you that call each week each and everyone of you that tune in each week to whether it's going to be Christly knows best are the kids new show growing up Christly. Because without you guys. We wouldn't be here. We wouldn't have the platform that we have. And we want to use the platforms that we have to help better. Our fellow American citizens are people all around the world. You don't even have to be a citizen of this of the United States in order for us to won't to help. 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Life After Lockup: It's Tow or Never

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Life After Lockup: It's Tow or Never

"Hey i'm leah. And i'm ali and we're sisters who watched trash tv together. And this is bill. The sir hello everyone. Welcome back to spill. Its podcasts you are here with leah and allie. It's to- or never Toe with now toda's around with now come on to- are never you know like going for now or never but like no. It's not tower. Never i see what you're saying. That yeah i mean last two episodes. Are they even trying to name them. Who is coming up them and the challenge. It's the same person ever is doing. The challenge naming is also doing the love after lockup naming if you guys are a rut you can always just seek out to us. And we'll help you come up with names of a million more names for this episode. Then tower nab eric. There are some podcasts. That come up with their own names. Four episodes regardless of what the episode name is and. I'm tempted to do it just to show them up. I know like we have named it. Crybaby ass bitch. That would have been a great name. That it's catchy. Yeah it's original. I love it. You can put it on a t shirt. That wasn't aware that that was a nice quotations. Miami la that could have been in the hero of the episode. Did my sister flirt with you. Also a great title. Yeah like oh my god. This is a good episode. I was like watching it. And i was like. This is a good episode. Like we haven't had an episode this good while yes i. I had a lot of laughing moments because yeah let's so far out there. And then i roll it over into ninety day fiance where i also had a lot of the same moments and it was a good three hours of reality. Tv for me. It was also good it really winds. Finally i know good stuff. Yeah it was really good. It was just the cherry on top of a terrible week. That has now turned around here. S in texas. Where now we're having beautiful weather. I y'all i sent the family. This tiktok it was literally like. It's the sounds like monday. Tuesday wednesday and it takes you through like in. It's accurate because it you go from the darkness and your shivering in in the darkness by candlelight in your house like we have our water and then by like saturday. You're sitting poolside with a margarita. Right it's just been literally insane so You know this. This episode gave me hope. And i don't like to talk about like corona virus on this but i was looking at corona virus numbers at least for our state. Oh it's looking so much better. In so i just feel like it's positive vibes all around everybody. Knock on wood. Yeah we need something. Twenty twenty one. I don't know if this is positive vibes or bad vibes. I don't know if maybe being a little bit pessimistic right now. But the weather channel came out with the hurricane names for the year which i'm obsessed with have an issue to hurricanes i stock their whole life. I watch weather channel. Twenty four hours. A day could be a storm chaser only for hurricane so yeah and against the weather channel has jokes because one of the hurricanes name is oughta and the other hurricanes is named elsa. Good that we get through here and screw our shit up and now you neymar hurricane after her cool. That is so true. They should've named the winter storm. Jury winter storm elsa lay. I'm sure they have to follow the alphabet due or whatever but like there was nothing more perfect than those names of elsie. Now it's like we got our guys like it'll be eighty degrees by monday and it was yes so funny. Oh my gosh. I love that so they better do you like all off hans like the better know and we need all of it. Yeah things just like name. All of them after disney characters. From now on. That would be fabulous. It may make them a little bit more pleasant. Yeah you know. You can't be that scared well. Maybe that's not good. You want people to be scared care ursula goo. Yeah do the villains. That's a good call. I like that one more tiktok sidebar of tiktok that you sent me because this is something we haven't discussed yet on the podcast in. I promise we'll get into love after lockup but there's this whole thing of that you can tell that someone's old or they're like a uncall- millennial skinny jeans if they use the laugh emoji if they have a side part yes like all thing on tiktok in social media. Watch a check for me all those yeah like. I don't own anything but skinny jeans. I don't even understand like what the other option is like. I'm not wearing bell bottoms. And whatever anyways so you sent me this tiktok up all the disney princesses and then all. Yes the princess's have side parts. The villains have middle parts so it has been ingrained in our brains from birth that you do not have a middle part unless you evil and sorry. Sorry we're just out here trying to be the good guy and i have school pictures of me with a middle part bell-bottoms and it did not age well and i will not be going back to that shit. Yeah and it's like yes the mom jeans or whatever other genes that people wear that are like the cool jeans though we're like wide legged all the way through and like fascist not good on someone who either has given birth brighton like me. I'm in the middle of pregnancy forgiving. Wide-legged g them already wide everywhere else. I gotta show what's not wide on me. I don't have enough leaks for that. I'm not trying to look like a sack of potatoes. No thank you. And i will not be showing off my belly button so you guys can all over it the stage. My hair looks at better part on the side. I've trained it that way. It's grown that way. It has taken me a time to get my hair this way. We're not changing okay. We stopped addressing like that. Because that's how our moms stress in the eighties so you're welcome now. You're all dressing like the boomer generation that you don't want to be like that's what's happening. His area is repeating itself. And we're gonna make fun of y'all now and that is your old lady rant of the day when you can legally drink okay bitches. Exactly all right. Let's start with a john and christiana guests. It was kind of building up to what we're really looking forward. The terra of it all but christiana is out of jail again and how vitas junior. She had like a standing ovation leaving the jail cell. Do you think that was real ju x. Yes really because she kept touching your ed putting her arm up and like yeah i i know i wrote sites that moment i if it was anybody else i would have rolled my eyes for whatever reason i really do like christiana and i think she means well. She has stolen our hearts. Don't it's really terrifying. Because this is what they do. I know and then they're gonna break my heart whenever she does something crazy. Oh man they did this shit with tracy to us. Yeah we we. We're rooting for tracy to we were. I remember those days out christiana. I don't think she will. i don't think she will. Maybe we can get her on the podcast and we can interview her and give her some life lessons and she won't go that way. I don't know if we want to get in. That deep. Rational shad questions and i need answered. I do have So the whole thing is discussed a lot about how shing gained thirty five pounds. Which i'm like. Do they have a scale in jail. Maybe they way you do a medical evaluation. They way you Also the way. You're not scrubs. Why do i wanna call them. Scrubs the way your uniform fiddler jumpsuit. Or whatever you do because i think if you want a bigger size in at least in some jails if you want a bigger size than you have to buy it you have to use your commissary money to buy it So that could be a way that she knew as well. I don't like that because this is. That is a symptom of not using drugs into. You'd think that you wouldn't punish people for putting on weight when a lot of times. I just means they're off the crack i know and i don't i don't think every jailed as it but i do know that there are some i think if you probably don't get a lot of state funds and things like that you're just kinda gone reuse uniform all you have to do like swap amal like okay. We're going to have like a a swap party. Everybody who's on cracking has lost weight. Give me your uniform. Because i'm more. I mean what do you do on sorry. It's true. well. I just want to say like so. She says she's gained thirty five pounds. She looks fine to me. Like i'm not saying there's any issue but she looks the same as she did in those pictures where everyone was alleging that she was pregnant and so now like convinced that she was not pregnant. And those pictures. 'cause she's just gained weight are assholes. I know i don't know. I mean it could go either way but like you can't assume that that's why you can't assume these things and you can't put that shit now. That's why didn't posted on instagram. Because most people who get off drugs they do gain a lot of weight and it's a telltale sign when they get back on drugs as we saw a lot. This episode people are losing weight We'll get there. Yeah so. I mean if she has she did mention wanting to have babies like let's just start making babies so it's a possibility but i'm not gonna call somebody out on that until dave announced it themselves and said hey we're expecting yes. Don't go just based off of how someone stomach look. look like. that's just not because that's where a lot of women carry their weight too so those you have all I don't think he did necessarily the best job. Either of responded saying she gave his response. Was you're fine. You're fine which is incorrect. That's not at any. Hey i'm i'm not getting caught in that trap. Exactly he could have said. I am just so happy to see you healthy again. That's all you have to say. I mean intel. Her she looks beautiful. Us supposedly love her. So you Hopefully love her for more than just her external appearance in so she should look beautiful because she's happy you. You love her. While i know so. Because if he was getting all with sister then cursed. Yana is way up there. Because she's way. I think she's gorgeous compared to the sister i do too and it could just have a lot to do with. What's on the inside right. That's making me think her sister's ugly. Yeah that to see you better person. I like that too. Yeah yeah that's what. I totally meant seriously like it. Now you're right like consciously you don't even realize that that's why you think someone is so ugly. Yes because they're a shitty person so then we start getting into well. Okay so i there's a call I thought it was going to be tara issue. Like she knows she's in the car. She's galley yes. Hey what's up. Our kids doing. Did you get them off the school bus. Okay mentioned an inside joke right. I'm gonna steal your phone again. Yes i hated. You have my phone. Because i can't find it But no it's a bill collector. Interesting i will say. I was very surprised how he handled us. Because it may be because we're so conditioned that everybody on this show lies about their money situations and he didn't he was like. Oh yeah. I'm gonna take care of it. The came in today whether that's truth or lie we don't know but he told christiane it's been really with your mom and tear their on my wallet. Oh why do you have three cars and a new poll and a boat and all this shit. All in your renovating like you know has really been that tight. Because why do you need three cars. You probably just need one car. Do you think well he had two of them already. So he bought another one. Even though money's tight. I don't know i don't know if i would think with that. Many kids you have to have three cars because house you get them around. Yeah that's true. And he said how many of them are saying with him. I don't i can't even keep up. And then i would be willing to bet. The only car don't remember seeing before was van that also has bonnie and clyde on the back of it the minivan so i wonder if he purchased that so that the mob could get in and out of it because she has the oxygen oxygen tank and everything so it might be easier for her to get into a van maybe Or maybe that was the mom's car already and he was like while you're staying here so i'm going to take it and i'm going to put my lonzo pack of it. Which my logo did you notice that. The whatever pontiac firebird sunbird thunderbird whatever bird is also had personalized plates and that should be. Oh no like Clyde to or be clyde to something like that but it went along with the same theme and you have to pay per year for that at least in texas you do. And it's like one eighty per plate a year but is so crazy so you know i mean that's what i'm saying like it i'm gonna terra. I'm like i don't know what he's into but it's not. It's not good. So then that's when they start getting into the discussion of within my sister ever flirt with you when she has why was. She asked that no because she knows she knows her sister. She's like my sister. She her in flirting over the phone like it was so obvious when she was on the phone. Now who knows what else. She's been hearing in picking up on and insulation. Yes he's like your stomach drops you get pit in your stomach you know. Oh you know those women that would cross that line and you hopefully trust your man but it's like you just get about feeling and you're like in the men just always want to act like the who are no they know she's not like the right like yes she is and you need to stay away. This a general theme across both shows that we watch strata carries over. Tonight have opinions. Okay oh right in line with what. I'm saying right now. Yes forgive mike and extended by the way patriots. Dot com slash. Bill says your podcast if you wanna know day thoughts so yeah. He says he doesn't choose. He says i wouldn't choose to step out on my wife. And i'm like oh just the last six so this one not to right okay because i just really love you for some odd reason bitch. She's going to watch. All of this footage was lying and he even is literally just watching it out. Even if nothing happened enough happened that you should know that they're going to edit and splice it to make you look bad because it's reality. Tv and if you went on a show and you were that oblivious you deserve what is happening to you. Sorry you just do. Yeah no. He's just literally stretching it out as long as possible to just prolong the inevitable. That she doesn't starve skies. Christiana doesn't deserve it. I love the. He's out here being a nasty ass hooking up with her sister leasing to go and require her to take a cova tests before okay. I actually i think that that was production. You think because. I've been watching teen mom a lot recently Unlike ban on team emoji which. I haven't watched and a couple of seasons but it's like a soap opera. You pick up right where you left off. And i wanted to see what cory and cheyenne were up to. Because he was about to go on the challenge yet needed to see all that anyways for whatever reason. Mtv is a lot more transparent when it comes to breaking the fourth wall and talking about their producers and the producer and cast relationship so when they started filming team almo g they. I mean you see the producers talking to like we have our own bathrooms you have porta-pottys. This is where we're going to wash our hands. We will not become any to any of your houses. We need to have cova test every day. You have a test. We will have a test. The kids had to have talent. So i would be willing to bet that it is that way for all of production and that's why especially because she's coming out of jail you know like how are you going to socially distance there I mean i would hope that as part of your discharge. They cova test you nowadays. I guess not even let obvious is up when you move your game. Your drug wait. No no no so drug late. I think that was more for production than it was for john sexual endeavors. I will say. I was so happy to see a good. All classic love moment some sex in the woods. I was cheering literally. John and knows what it's like. I don't know what it was. It was just giving me like like love after lockup us pregnancy hormones are getting to you. They're getting to me. I don't know what's happening aren't happy. We haven't seen a would seen. Oh god in a while. It's so good like every time it's so good it's so disgusting. So good cherilyn josh. I think we're the last ones that we saw. Yeah because matt and caitlyn. Caitlin were the first ones to do it. And it was like ground breaking and then and then cheryl stole the blanket from the motel. Oh gosh yeah. That was just really fun to see. That's why like john and christiana are by far my favorite of the season. I wonder she pulled his. Tony tells out she wanted to. But if he's really following native american traditions and values thus a big no like saker in Yes are a. let's get onto the two. Oh or never you. And then i can now. Here comes kato and his tow truck. I wish i'm gonna go ahead and open next seltzer for this. So you do it. Yeah yeah this. Have one for me. I wore a will so doesn't like just she's just chilin. She's about to eat a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. She's not perfect like post jail. Snag the launch of champions milius. Yeah it's like. I didn't have to go to jail i'm celebrating. I need a p. b. j. and her sisters making it for her because god forbid she do anything for herself. Her sister is the worst enabler of the world. Cheese terrible yeah and finally. Her sister had looks out her window and notices that. There's a big. Ask tow truck in her driveway towing off. The car and destiny comes screaming outside thing. It's my car. And i'm like pitch you know well and good. That's not your car. No and this gave me flashbacks. If you're a member of one of our extended episodes. I talked about her selling a car on facebook marketplace like she was selling a bunch of shit and we that's how we knew she was back in california but i don't know what car she sold seven have to go back and looks christine because cheat it. Was this one yet. She get back somehow. they're interesting yeah. Now let me know what you find on that She's just like comes out swinging to she'll be usually trying to beat his ass and he's like i. I was thinking this. I'm like hopefully this. Tow truck driver verified like if he doesn't even have the keys. You can't vetoing random cars for people right. He had to a verified through the paperwork or whatever that it really was his car. So that's why i wasn't. Even i mean for multiple reasons. But that's why i wasn't even for second believing destiny that this was her car. Right will yeah. And he says so a lot of people online. How that question to like. How did this guy just take this car. You can just like anybody's car. You want a. When i watched. I listened and i had a close captioning on. He says the Tow truck driver says. I saw the paperwork. He showed me the paper. Yes so yeah you have to show a title insurance in your name. Something that is proof. Yes yeah so sorry. Destiny were not buying out one from you. We're not buying what you're selling. Which i'm sure like it seems like when he bought it. He told her this. Is your car right. like right. He bought it for her last quote unquote and so in her mind. This is a gift and she gets to keep in her car. Now but your destiny. You don't get to treat people like total shit and then take their car to like what she expected to happen. And why was she so aggressive about it where she was like when i step is in the car so you go get the keys. It's your car you worry about it okay. Will you have the keys crazy. Like you really want me to go into your sister's house array really what you want. And she's like you'll cry baby bitch and this is so pathetic of youth. This is a ballsy thing. You've ever done this. She just keeps talking all this shit to him as okay. You can keep the car. Just go ahead and drop it because now that it's on the back of the tow truck if they wanna drop it you have to pay a minimum of seventy five dollars there you go. Who's gonna pay it. pay it. Yeah no and it could be more encountered. Yeah that this is all i have well. Whose fault is that exactly. You and your one shoe can go. Walk back into your sister's house. Sister esther audits. You have my address. Dumb asses some rookies. He's like well. The pizza delivery guy like he tells them the story like. Why do you tell. Don't answer them. He's like i just do. Don't worry about it. I have a tracker on the car. That's mine yeah just be like i have my sources so the day just know that you know shit. Yeah that's all you know. yeah. And i love it. When she gets back she gets up on the back and he finally like opens the trunk and duffel bag like she act. I was thinking like she get all this shit outta here like all. Her stuff is in the back seat in the trunk and everything is gonna to be all this shit coming out of the car. It's literally one tiny. Yeah filled up doubt. Duffel bag was like of drugs. It was drugs or something to make drugs with paraphernalia. Do you think she took that to the courthouse with her. A i says if she was going to go to jail then she was probably gonna tell like. Hey go pick this up. it's in the back. It's in the back of the trunk. Yes you're not wrong. No and they really did look like a drug baggage. What made it better. Is that first of all. The car is unlocked. Which why why you not lock your car. Okay with when you have drugs and then got the loot in the back. She's like open the trunk do it. And so he does and he holds the button down and she keeps trying to slam the trunk. Close as if like. Oh that didn't work. He could have just done it again. You were all out of ideas turning. I'm gonna go fuck up your car. Like i'm going to get so messed verte. And he's like okay. Whatever like you don't even know where i'm staying a why at the end when they're walking pincher window and arm and a punch you all these tangents that she's going off you go suck some more dick and the sister laugh cut back. Why is that a bird. It was so chaotic. Like it was. It was comical. Honestly her and lindsey are like on the same level of trying to sound bad ass and you just look stupid and norm. I don't like to judge these people too harshly or assume but you cannot tell me about. Miro is not back on drugs. Oh is one hundred hundred interviews. I feel like every week. We see her. Those lines on her face are just getting sunk in more and more and more. Yeah in she just looks like she's not bully with us. She's in another world. Yeah i have an update on air to that will talk about in an extended. Okay i do appreciate that. She threw out the by fully. Shot the end. Oh i know. But i was also like damn it. Why did she use that. That's my favorite line. My favorite line shirt that says it. It should be used for good. Not evil right. Heart was disappointing. That i did love it a little bit. I just wish sean would have said it to her. He's even care about the ninety dollars. Because i this was her plan all along. If only hector had tried to tell you that he's like i learned about these things called tricks in a girder nachos cereal sean tricks to kids know you're all right. Let's move onto ondra and lamar. It's a little ray of sunshine getting getting ready for her date night with lamar and she's already talking shit she's like we're gonna get into a fi. We always get into if i gone eight nine. Lamar doesn't even know how to plan. Dede's like she's very bitching bitching bitching what andrea is. Andrea is a chihuahua. she is all bark. No by yup. Yes you're so right. She's my favorite chihuahua mine too. So then. Meanwhile lamar is outside with tennyson thin with this nice jeep. The putting a bow on top of it. He's so excited to show. Her and tennyson was right on track with my thinking like she's gonna find some way to get to this. I was like he's ready. I loved it. I loved that tennyson us. Oh self-aware for himself and for his mother's feelings he's like you screwed up but it's also very sad when you look deep into that thought because it's sad that tennyson has been conditioned to know what is going to set andrea off of. I would try to do something. Nice for my mom. But she's not going to appreciate it because it's not sheer perfection So it's like when you think about that way. Sorry bring everybody down while we were on a high gear. Sorry guys need to add that sound effect in s but it was happy. Because i know andrea comes out and she's so excited and she so thankful as she's like it's a really. This was so cute and sweet. She was so happy she was all dressed up for her day. It was just such a happy Little andrea lamar. Marcy we really low. I have missed this and they start talking about going to the car wash. Ooh good broke. Get your privacy on. Yes i love that. I just love them. Oh man i said john and cristiano or my favorite but andrea and lamar my favorite and number two. Yes the number two. We'll because andrea lamar such. Oh geez at the show and her love. I do too. I don't think it's a scam at all. I think they've had good relationship growth along the way to where other people that's like ma. Y'all aren't even real. Yeah joining christiana phillips on thin ice and he yes i think. So then we get to ke- waylon and chevelle we're back at the hotel and poor d mark. He's got his own room and everything he just getting kicked out. He's just still off at the world and you know we have coins saying good night to chevelle and she's like if we're gonna be together even though i already said yes to your proposal. Right we're gonna other. There's gotta be some ground roles. I'm like well maybe this is something else should have discussed the first in the ferris wheel. You should have been like brian on a around. They'll let us off yet. We talked through this or them for the however many years. Y'all were talking on the phone while he was in jail. Maybe you should've establish some ground rules. Because apparently he needed spelled out. Maybe he needs it. Put on the fridge angela style. Yeah you probably buy magnet. That says that taste of reality that they shouldn't even have to ride it out and just buy it. Put it up there. it even says no To so if you didn't think about that it's already therefore you yes. Her rules are they. He can't be deming girls yes and that he needs to get a whole ass new number. He's fine with it. He's fine where he draws line is the passcode. He's like wait a minute. I thought i could get a new passcode on my phone. Because if i have my own past i keep and then delete it right and i can save the old girl shy towns number own. And you won't know so. That's where he draws the line. And i just thought that was interesting is continue to be in his fuck boy ways. That was a very big indicator which social media is really not helping anybody out because now everything has vanish mode. Have you noticed that. No so on instagram on facebook messenger and then obviously like if you're real cheater you've been using snapchat for years. We already know about y'all but the other day somebody sent us an instagram message. And i want to try to react. And swipe up. And when i swiped up a little bit it's an ode you inter vanish mode. And i was the fucking spanish mode. So my god. I hope it deletes the messages and it's like almost filter type leading job. I'm gonna get a job instagram. I'm gonna go in. And i'm going to hack the system. Unbanning i says so fate Does that too now. It is the strangest thing. Like why why would i messages to banish. i dunno. I have such short term memory. Oh forget shit have to scroll back up and look like oh you know what was said or whatever so why do you vanish mode and good. Does a pasco do if you have the english mode. Yeah i don't understand. So he give you his pass code. But guess what abracadabra it's leaving. Listen lady it's all about the poppins needs got up pop up behind cone peak over that shoulder. See what's going is and if he hides it you'll be like what. What are you hiding like. you'll go. You will know and you don't know. Wow then you know now you know so then. She also tells him that he needs to go his own room tonight which was very like not believable done so i thought it was inch. This all seemed again to be a ruse to just get him out in the hallway with d mark because what are the chances that d martinho during the hallway is going on. I just need some ice from a drinks. Yeah that was so weird. I was but then it's like they. Do you actually get into a fight. So i'm like yeah got was a real fight if not that was good acting for this show. At least i'm sure. I'm sure like production has been egging them on celaya get into it with each other but then it like they took it a little too far and they're like oh shit because you saw that producer like jumped in and i think that's why chevelle was so mad and she was wrong for that. Shut it down. Yes you're so right. She because she knew like to send him out into the hallway. They're gonna have their little arguments. She was probably sitting there listening with ear on the door holding a cup up against the door to maximize the volume and then she starts hearing the pushing and shoving comes out really. Yeah so. I think that you're so right and you're like okay. There's just going to have a talk banana. The talk got escalated. And i will say d. Mark was the one to lay hands. I yeah even. Though he was gentle it was genitals genitals up and he was the first one to make contact just saying it. This was the challenge they would both be kicked out just saying. Yeah and i don't know what it was about in this episode but like he was giving major low wayne vibes like why. Yeah he looks like low wayne. Because i love him like i know all the words to really like i could wrap a lot of his song just no match but he believed this episode. I was like oh my gosh worrell. He didn't look. he also looked very above. Altitude like his activities as low wayne. And it's not wrapping. Which note yet you met at all that you know you do you. Don't play me after this like filming this show. why would you not want to be high during these interviews. I mean good god yeah. It's very stressful. So yeah they get into their fi and next morning chevelle piss and she's holding everyone accountable and using her daughter to shame everyone or saying how they upset me so much and they did this in front of my ila. She was awake. And maya is doing a very good job of playing along with her mom. And being like yeah. I'm pissed both of you. I'm sure the tension was uncomfortable in the car. A why would you think that they wanted to ride in the car together. Get an uber. This is such a mess. And why are they taking a range. Rover whose range rover is that. I know it's not d-marks. Today brent appetite rented it for this trip with us that's expensive too. I mean mobile know productions on paying for that with their thousand dollar an episode Yes oh omega makes them make and they slap hands and she's like that's not nine now. That was a nice at all. I didn't want that didn't sell me. I need more get a hug it out. I think you. I love when like nugget girl had control of her grown ass. Men like that like it just makes my heart so happy to see a rate. It's great the power that they hold now. The problem is when they know they have the power. Your little one out without a long time ago but i love that for her to teach me on yup nfl cup. Exactly know your power sister. So yeah they're they're all in the car together. They're riding back in. We're on our way hop over to another car with amber and her mom. I literally like shuttered. I was like. Oh gosh you've are you scared of monica is monica. The jentzsch of life after lockup no. I'm fully scared of monica because she seems so sweet and like q. An innocent and then. She's got this other. Her terrifies me. I agree i would not cross her. I i guess i never caught on that. She's in a different state the puppy because when they got arrested in they had their drug busts. It was in georgia But she says they're not in the same state so where is she okay. I'm glad you just broke that down for okay. I was under the impression that for some reason. The mom was leaving georgia trip now though she so she lives somewhere else and then she's coming to georgia visit her daughter. Yes the travel pass was Hoppy nfl. i'm sure. I'm sure that was the arrangement of like. Hey i have to film for the show because vince is out of the picture. And we're gonna try to pull some ocean's eleven heist or whatever oceans. It was it was like the all female cast yes. I don't remember which one. yeah so. Yeah but they got arrested in georgia anywhere in jail in georgia. So why is she paroling in a different state. I don't know. I feel like she's able to convince anyone of anything like she probably convinced them to let her do whatever the hell she wanted to do. I need to look up to know where she's at because she said it was like a four hour plane ride or something like that right. I don i ride. And i was very confused. Apparently a plane ride in a two hour drive or whatever so she must have flown into atlanta. His douglasville. I i remember. I looked it up and it's like it's like two hours outside of atlanta okay. Yeah we'll have to figure that out I did love to see puppy in her new job in her new queen. Who's keeping her ass in line who was also in jail with amber and pepi. I love this. i love that. We're seeing the whole game together. It reminded me of In chicago You know mama uh-huh in chicago and you be good to ma mama's been you like she rules the roost all the bitches. What to do. I feel like that. Was mama in real life in jail. I can see that what more queen and me too. I want more of this on the show. I don't need the relation yet. It's like i don't need the love interest relationships. I want the relationship that were formed in jail. And now they're all trying to reintegrate into society and work and keep each other accountable. Because for what it's worth i do feel like amber in queen are trying to keep puppy accountable for her actions which didn't go well. Somebody has failed along the way she will. She's just you can tell she's got that little glimmer inner. I where she just wants to keep getting into shit. Yeah he's not done with her ways yet and the stupid thing of her looking at the alcohol was nothing like i doubt she started drinking. These people's alcohol. I don't know but when we do see her later in the episode. She's on something until she's on something you start to see her in her interviews in. It's the same thing as with destiny where she's losses way and it's not like she's like yeah i've just been eating so healthy and working out and taking care of myself so now i've lost all this way in a healthy. It's it's it's an unhealthy. Look it is for. And i wanted. I really wanted to say oh. She's just drinking. That's it lake. No but the more. I see her in interviews. The more i see her at the table with them and she's oh i've lost weight and i know it i'm proud of it. I'm like ooh It's just not in healthy way on healthy way. And she's just yeah it's just the way she's acting in things she saying you can just totally tell and They start to talk about the whole situation. And monica is like yamashina. Go up there and raise some hell get your money. Like she's like all about the lemme on the on the action. I'll get him like dante. Hurting august and don't goes. This is not a good idea. This is not a good idea but luckily numbers very much which we kind of skipped over amber and her mom tall gas about. What's his name. anne said his name. Sammy who apparently is like lacey's john type of a good way to talk sic toxic relationship on drugs together on again off again hot mess relationship and monica not a fan of Which you've got to be bad. If monica doesn't like you right because you know monica was probably like selling stuff with them so for her to not like him he must who knows what he was doing So i think the amber is just in his head space in all of this where she doesn't really give a shit about puppy or vince or any of it and she's just looking forward to having sammy back in her life and she's not about like all this highest situation of going and getting in the middle of things with with Vincent okay here's a little bit of a spoiler this is the type of shit we talk about an extended. I'll give it to you now. Sammy is and we. We talked about this before she like in the past. Sammy is the guy that she was dating. Whenever we i found her facebook so she had separated from vince. We knew finless crazy events was going all on youtube telling everybody this weird shit and it was uncomfortable for everybody watching. Yes that was sammy. And then the relationship ended with the and there was a new guy. Okay i don't remember who that new guy was. I don't remember his name but people that know hurley. Family were commenting on their pitchers. Oh my god you look so happy you look so good and like oh. Yeah he so gray. He's so good for me. I think that as much as monica is not like the best mother. A mother's intuition was not wrong. It didn't really out. And he was kind of still on that like jailhouse religion as to call it. Yeah and then. She found another guy who she was with. I don't know what her current status is. Okay well at least it seems as though she's moved on from sami. So that's good yeah But i'm sure it'll be interesting to see over these next couple episodes. Hopefully he gets out and we get to kinda see like what. That dynamic is lake So yeah that's that's where we're at with that. I'm worried about puppy and will see what happens with sammy. Yes so we also. We also got to see michael in sarah and we got a little bit of emmy time which is always fun. How was the only redeeming quality of this scene. Yes i love whom we get some emmy sense knocked into sarah. But who knows if it's really like gonna work all right like i just went to look up amber on facebook and i saw you having a shocked face when looking at your phone. I didn't know if it was like show related or not show related. What is it. She's having lunch with emmy. And so it's just weird 'cause like we were talking about. I and i'm like oh my god this is emmy with amber right now. Yes they live in different states and maybe they just like went to each other does not not look like any No okay what's her instagram. This is on facebook twitter facebook. Yeah with amber last name. Agar's e. g. g. e. r. s. c. This kinda shit. That happens on patriot. Guys oh shoot i forgot. I deleted facebook today. I won't be able to. I was tired of the bullshit. Okay we'll maybe we'll have to go back and verify that person not tagged. It doesn't look like it okay. Interesting that would be crazy. Yeah anchalee tagged hashtag life after lockup okay. What maybe it is her. I mean you showed me through the screen on the okay. no no. It's not this or is this lady's name is amanda. It's not her closing call guy. Sorry greasy but yeah so emmy calls. Sarah and michael has already confirmed for us as if we needed it that they've been hooking up where which he said they call it having dreams like a dream. Yeah did you have that dream last night. Because i did and it was crazy. That's disgusting. It is makes of our. it was very very annoying. How does into her room to have a private conversation with her friend. And michael comes into the room yes sits off to the side just to be like bitch. I'm listening to and it was very upsetting to me. it's very controlling. And yeah it's borderline abusive. I have to say. I'm sorry but like you are trying to go in control her conversation with her best friend when you know why her ass hates you know. She testified like any searches. Talking shit in the background was so frustrating. Like oh my god. It was really boiling my blood. Yeah because michael knows that any is probably the only person that can talk sense into sarah. Yeah he's trying to prevent that at all costs but it looks like next frigging episode. He's leaving to go back to marie. Maria whatever maria i mean i get why said that but you know what are the chances tagline this episode. What are the chances by. Allie chances that he told maria like hey a half to go filmmaker under contract. They can't come home here. Because the cove ed and that she agreed she's like fine and then they never brought up so you think the whole dropped off on. The side of the highway thing is vague. I do. I could see that in him just like coming up with that story to make sarah feel bad for him because he knows like easily go. I gotta go get this bag for us. Like secure that bread. You know michael is yeah. I know you're so right. Like i get a break and ends with to be on tender. Then i get to go lake half almost sarah best. Both were july. I really do love it. They it ends with them wrestling on the bed to scottsdale now. I can't into happy ending. Sorry to end on. Lincoln is we will get through quickly. And then we'll get into extended Brittany forces her poor mother who she's already taken through enough emotional trauma Over the past couple of days forces her to go to the location where. She tried to kill herself by exploding her. How yeah which is just cooking insane. Yeah i mean. I don't even know what else to say like it was so traumatic. It was traumatic for me. And i have nothing to do with any of it was terrible. She was like she was going to barf everywhere. it you could tell that she was feeling all of those sober feelings. It was coming back to her. She didn't know how to mentally or physically handle it. And i know britney thinks oh. I was justified in doing this. And this is the payoff. I wanted but she saw has to go back and live in vegas and she's going to have to live with those sober memories of everything that went through. Do you really think she's not going to go back to drugs. You have to check into rehab as soon as you land. There's no other option. Gosh it was so it was so painful to watch because it's like it's one thing to be enabling her into just feel so bad for your mom that you're like i'm going to just be there for her time and time again. Show up for her in bail her out now. You're trying to help her so much. They you're actually making it worse. I don't think that like what are you doing in the beginning. I don't think cindy is ready for this type of therapy yet. She has not. She not healed enough to her addiction. To say like okay. I don't need that to fall back on this in this hasn't caused a relapse. I will be shocked. Yes and like. I don't even think this is necessary for everyone's healing. Maybe it is what some people need for their healing. This is a very specific way of handling things that i don't think one hundred percent necessary. Either so it's just it was really bad but we do get the full story of. I guess something went down with The not the dad. Or whatever her activated gil her ex husband gil. She was so wasted in had been drinking and that she really did try to kill herself by lighting act in a gas filled home and exploded the house and when she woke up in the hospital was pissed that she was alive. Like holy shit. That's a lot to deal with heavy even for this show. Oh my gosh. So sad in brunei acted like she didn't know I think any of that. I think subconsciously she knew yeah. I think it's one of those things you don't ever want to admit. Yeah you don't wanna think like oh. My mom tried to kill herself. No of course not But it makes sense of y gil said everything that he said to britney even more so of like. Yeah sure you want to do this. Why did you know what you're working with. Yeah martenot and being right. What if i know it was next door to kill. It could have killed him as well. The his cabin have blown up. We don't know how close they were so sad. So crazy. and we are trying to figure out how we're going to recap seeking sister wives with all of you. Stay up. Stay on our instagram. At school sister podcasts. Or check out tastes reality you find all of our articles and merge their absolutely guys thank you so much for listening and we will catch next week.

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Liam Hemsworth, Cayley Stoker & Elijah Allan-Blitz?

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Liam Hemsworth, Cayley Stoker & Elijah Allan-Blitz?

"They wanna know pain <music> fame welcome to who weekly the podcast wheeler and everything. You need to know about the celebrities you don't. I'm bobby finger. I'm lindsey weber and did you watch coach success. I mean the teen choice awards last night succession you mean no. I actually didn't teach is awards season h._b._o. H._b._o. I didn't watch either so i actually didn't watch either. I'm s- i- joshua's out of town so i have to wait two weeks to watch succession and you know i got to wait for. This is a real like single person great but i really don't like that thing that couples do where they where. You have to save things to watch together. Find that very rude. I find that very self. There's also very few shows that will do it for. I just i just don't like that. I would never do that for anyone. It's it's like unless we were binge watching something. That was old. You are not going to take away my topical television moments to be caught up with the rest of the world well. You can bring this up to him next time you see him. I sure well no. I just don't do something to say i mean. I just feel like it's preventing can you from being like in step with the rest of the world and like if you get spoiled or whatever i mean i know that spoilers whatever but like that's going to be on him his conscious it's going to be on him. He's just going to have to deal with it. Just gonna have to deal with that. I also didn't watch. I watched the teen choice awards because he didn't want me to watch. I don't what's the teen choice awards. When sarah hyland jordan mcgraw performed minuted party live in front of people on santa monica pierre or whatever the hell that night place i wanna be there with you campa within a to place now i you say i don't know you know you face. We for legal reasons like insurance. You know so when you like like die of old because what happens is you kind of. I'll get a seizure from watching and then i'll hit you know then. He needs to be there to put a doc. Whatever in your mouth like a rag or something irag chacha. What's the first and we want to talk about today. Olivia colman when olympia j. i just watched the crown teaser so i live you got coleman on the brain is kind of what's happening on the grain. I just watched the trailer for <hes> <hes> pretty little things what's a very little things the little little pace james though james frame movie that is starred in and directed by the couple sam sam taylor johnson and aaron taylor johnson million little pieces the peace place wait. That's a movie coming out soon. He plays james mm sprained. She's a director so is it like acknowledging the fact that it's ally no what no it's not a meta coyne terry on the book story. It's not a meta commentary on the fact that he's a liar. Just an adaptation book looking straight at the book with like <hes> who's in it. Angelina jolie god's name. What's his face. The both wrote it sam taylor johnson aaron taylor johnson road the relationship is <hes> to quote you but not on this relationship just your word it's darkness. There's i hate it was like not because because the first time i saw the religious like hot as he is we stand like may december hotties but the thing about it. I'm like ooh yikes. Yikes i mean we we stand may december holidays. We'd standard older woman younger man combo but this civic older woman younger man combo is a dark cloud and honestly if you don't understand why just we're just gonna have to the full on madonna t look it up. We don't have time to get the sam taylor. Johnson said player until december link google it well if you know if you know one thing about our audience is that they do not like googling things. We google shut up. I did you ask for you. Google me. That's never for me. That's never had but it's usually amazon. Google just heard me say google it and then was like if you want to google something you're going to have to go. I hate it. Olivia jade has left college good but she also posted an instagram. You're like olivia j._d. She more mature as she wiser has she learned and the answer is literally absolutely absolutely not on every level has his girl not learned anything at all. She posted a photo for a self giving middle finger flipping while we're snoop dogg dog shirt. Where is lori and all of this. She's not approving this instagram. I'll tell you why why are these parents yet again parenting parenting badly even when every spotlight is on them. Why don't you do your best to make sure olivia doesn't do this. I know she's an adult. I know she's over eighteen read but like you see the caption. It's it's like honestly. I feel targeted. We're not on emotions. She adds doesn't isn't it. Just she acts like outlets at daily mail at star magazine casino at people at perez hilton what at every other media outlet which is obviously not the name of a media outlet at us close hashtag source hashtag says college then you can do what you well. That may not be the plan anymore. A source tells e._t. That olivia jade. It has no plans to return to u._s._c. Nearly four months. After news of the college admissions scandal broke close source says fuck you you know as she slept off off. Yeah i get it. I mean i'm annoyed that she didn't address some people at us. I won't get into it but some influencers at us but let's not talk about that. I i wanna keep talking about olivia jade. Is there even anything else thought about when it comes to leverage age. She's not going to back to college which could only make sense why would she. It's weird that it's this as long to see. I mean it says lee has no plans to return to u._s._c. She never wanted to attend u._s._c. to begin with and now she assure that u._s._c. isn't the place for her and i think ah i mean to answer that question. I think it's because the moment this all happened. She was probably like oh great. I don't have to go to college anymore. This is amazing didn't like this anyway. Why would i do this. This isn't good for my business. Blah blah but you have to like work in a mourning period right like she was probably immediately. Oh completely the real that she wouldn't have to go back to u._s. A g._m. work in this period of like having the mall through it because if she was immediately like great i'm not going to go back. No one really really really would've felt sympathy for her or her family really bad for lorries case. No that livia jade is would like. She didn't wanna go in the first place clearly. She didn't didn't like exert any effort on her own to get in so that kind of rooms th you know whoever's case against lorry that lori did the work or paid or did. Did you know did what they've accused her of doing. Yeah which quotes a source told e. t. e. t. olivia has turned to her fashion designer father for advice on building brand quote because he understands business. He has been encouraging olympia to create a new brand either makeup or beauty related here we go oh. Everyone's just getting on this beauty train. How many different like how many different lip gets. Can you possibly need. I don't know but i do kind of you've see her as being able to flip this notoriety into even more attention than she had before. It's going to have to have some. It's going to have some like jail like the dropout rate the dropout how drop out right dropout beauty or something right like u._s._c. non graduate like your beauty line drop out. We are suing you livia jade. I'm gonna like buy hi it. If you name it drop out dropout beauty that's hours. I'm sorry you heard it here. First does drop out have a sense of humor about all this. I kind of think. She can't even though she did. This thing like there's no way that she can. Her mom is absolutely does. She can't do it publicly in the moment she does it. Publicly people attack her for it rightfully because that photo is really messed up in a snoop dogg shirt lorries case isn't even figured out yet like they haven't even even. Nothing's happened with that yet. Yeah i was gonna ask there haven't been any updates. We're still waiting for like the trial is going. I think they keep delaying it so laurie cannes film season fourteen of fuller house just kidding. She's just a guest star. She's not she. She wants to get back on wind calls. The heart rate her main money making gig but they can but you can't choose show that's all about having a high moral ground and then have a low moral ground right. I guess you can't unless the fact that you are going through. It morally becomes part of the plot like you'll sort of address it. You are if they address it yeah. What are you calling. Just your repenting. You're you're very but she is not repenting like that her character while her character because what they sent her over to take care of her dying mother right isn't that how they wrote it into the show she comes back and while she was there the mother died. The mother died and she lied about something. You know right i mean laurie herself isn't even repenting lawry's like i didn't do anything wrong well now. She's petting because she realized that that she's in trouble right. She's she wants to go back and take that plea. Deal that felicity huffman god and they're like no no no honey that was an expiring hiring office meanwhile felicity and watch other on netflix truly. My dad watched it. He thought it. Why didn't they watch that last night. Got dammit. I should've watched that what's fun. Forgets mother's day by me. Some bath salts is that's a difficult others. Take on candle south at this stage. It doesn't feel like motherhood. It feels like other. That is the best description i've ever heard. What are we going to do drive to manhattan storm their apartments. Now we got some individual aid tip la blah blah blah blah blah blah except mother's day. You've been watching real world right real atlanta on facebook. Watch my favorite thing in the most recent episode also is there was a fight between clinton of the other ones honestly. I don't remember who aren't clint gets in a fight with everyone. He's like the hot head. He was fighting and then they did that thing that everyone does the real what has been doing since day one whatever nineteen ninety where they show the other people reacting to the fight everyone in the house. It's like eating sandwiches and it just zooms in on arly and she's like eating a sandwich. They live there. They're just like eating sandwiches. They're just living their lives. That is the abandoned tagline of real world. Here's what happens people stopping polite and start living their lives as they eat sandwiches. Just it'll work. M._t._v.'s the real world is an all new reality experience with contracting daily and new episodes every thursday so what happens when the next generation stops being polite and starts getting real will again in facebook click on the facebook by khan and search the real world on watch m._t._v.'s the real world atlanta streaming now only on facebook watch okay liam hemsworth is he a who again again. This is i think is a great question. I think he's on his way if he's not already i think his last name is going to have him holding on because i i really do think the hemsworth name is now a vami name yeah but the thing about the hemsworth that's interesting to me. Is that like outside of avengers. I i'm not quite sold on i used to be sold on chris chris hemsworth like leaving that and becoming a bigger person outside of it and standing ending alone but people don't really seem to care about him outside of the avengers which i don't really understand except maybe he hasn't gotten the role yet but it's weird that he hasn't gotten the right role yet been like the hot guy and stuff and it's only ghostbusters right like what other bad times at the royal. He's the hot villain in looks good. He's good but the movie is good so and my guess has been romantically. If you times like kind of younger and the movie he met my leeann. Hunger games was a big one for him. He's in that that movie dressmaker which is actually really good but his relationship with kate winslet's nicks. No i mean that movie makes no sense but like okay sure he's in the dressmaker movie. That makes no so. Why are we talking about liam hemsworth. Oh let me let me year after they got married. Miley cyrus and liam liam hemsworth decided to split up. This is a who is them in them situation but we're talking about this. Okay who is involved razi story. I mean first of all. I feel like miley has been recently on one capital on one. You mean promo cycle. She's right. She's promoting but what does she promoting her music but <hes> which is an album. She just has songs that are happening. She's albums that are about to come out. She said a couple of songs and then more coming. I mean she's told us that. Here's what i heard i heard from a friend and i'm not sure i want to say okay her name but she knows who she is. Her thought process which i thought was really smart so she watched all of the hills so okay. Here's what happened. Miley cyrus and liam hemsworth announced. They're getting a divorce and then like a few days later or they're breaking up leaks out. It comes out and a few days later. Miley is spotted on a yacht what's somewhere with caitlin jenner or not caitlyn jenner caitlyn. What's actual last name. Do you know caitlin carter so uh-huh kaelin corner and brody jenner who are not really married last week. You know there's a connect jack yeah speaking of that wedding ten years ago when you guys got married. People said it was fake. Can you obviously proved them wrong. But now we're hearing brody's marriage was faking. You said you knew it all along. How did you know well aw crystal ball <hes> well. We got initially we loved in kabo and when we came back to america we've found uh-huh and you get married in another country. That's actually not a marriage. That's just a fun little party ceremony. I you know so when i saw an indonesian fire dancers like look like a vegas show i was like oh that's beautiful photo shoot they did but you know defect taxes axes or alimony or any of that so that's and there was a scene that didn't make the show where grody definitely explained to me on camera the situation relation. This is just crazy to me that this is like our life that it's all connected. It all connected so this week caitlyn olsen. Is that her name. What's her name. Caitlyn caitlin carter is spotted making out with miley cyrus on a boat miley. Cyrus recently also came out and was like i'm pan sexual just because i'm in a heterosexual relationship doesn't mean like i i did defies like while she and liam or celtic at the right and she made a big point of that she became kind of the poster child of that situation in a way where it's like. I'm don't you dare judge. Dolan myra defy straight marriage. You know kind of which is definitely a thing. That is a conversation that we've been having a home but a friend of mine watches the hills was talking about how there's like a whole episode about the malibu fires and i was like oh did they meet did kaitlyn dateline and miley meet over the malibu fires think about it. What do you mean so like if brody and caitlyn's house was burning down in the malibu fires and miley also house burned down the mlb affiars and there was a fundraiser for it they met maybe at this fund raiser oh right eight so that was like maybe where i just like over having this commonality this common issue that happened to them little trauma trauma. Maybe maybe miley and liam because they got married right after the fires. Maybe they got married in kind of a p._t._s._d. Adjacent type of reaction to such a traumatic traumatic experience. We gotta do this while we can. What blah is somehow. That was what was surmised to me and makes a lot of sense in this situation so this marriage was kind of sped through right you know and maybe also one of those things where it was like. They'd been together for so long that when they got married a lot of people are like wait. They weren't already married well. It was almost like for them. That was the tipping point like they lived this happy kind of not married life as a couple and maybe maybe that was what worked out with them so well which was that there wasn't that kind of like the pressure or the paperwork and i think that throws people off off and especially miley who spends her whole life being like i'm anti-establishment or whatever i don't do things than normal way he's married to to you know this like very manly berry traditional straighten with the honky straight white man. Who's you know that when she was you know really young young yeah so so now what's happening is a lot of weird stuff so the fallout from this has just been very bizarre as usually the case. Neither of them has really talked about it explicitly but they're like posting bake this photo today. Liam did just now just now but even then he was like it's hard. I don't wanna talk about was the actual line. He was like you don't understand right like he's probably being stalked in australia right now. It's pretty bad. I bet he's like you. Don't understand this tough. I don't want to talk about it to the daily mail australia and well miley cyrus posted this photo series of her on some kind of hike hike. She's on a mountain unclear. When these photos were taken. They could've just been in her back pocket to post anytime she needed to like. Have some like existential crisis in caption. Do you think that happens. Do you think celebrities keep like sets of photos that they that they just like think themed photos where it's like like if i'm feeling pensive if i have to reveal something i mean if i didn't think that i think that now because that's because razi win did she go on this hike. She's i've been on the water making out with caitlin the entire time. I didn't see her in the mountains. I feel like these have been locked and loaded anyway so she captioned this photo. Don't fight evolution because you will never win like the mountain and i am standing on top of which was once underwater connected with africa changes inevitable. The dolemite's were not created overnight. It was over millions of years at this magnificent beatty was formed. My dad always told me don't del my heart. Mikey break your heart. I just don't think you'd understand just getting. He said my dad always told me that. My dad always told me. Nature never hurries but is always on time. No that was ashanti right. It fills my heart with peace and hope knowing that it is true. I was taught to respect the planet and its process and i'm kidding doing the same with my own so she's comparing her. Uh on personal growth the growth of the dole so i just looked at the dolemite's there the out there you know there are these this mountain range in italy. She's in italy so that's accurate occur and the dolemite's must be like behind her and the dolemite's were formed over two hundred eighty million years ago when parts of europe africa were were merged in a supercontinent known known as panja sick so she is maybe miley also google dole minds and is running off of that information that we are seeing here. Miley miley just learned about like continental drift and it's like whoa oh my gosh if you didn't have that same moment when you learned at that moment when you're in like seventh grade six whenever you notice all the continents fit together and you're like what duff and you didn't realize that before you looked at globes for your whole life and you never thought about it a very will will will afford for me when you're like noticing that africa like fits in with south america and like all of the bit and you're like oh. This just happened to miley cyrus. Only it was preceded directly by a divorce now. It's like a metaphor for her evolution into like full monster. Maybe punky metaphor but a metaphor. I mean the weirdest thing though is so brody jenner post these photos of himself in malibu allah boo. Oh this is the best all goes back to malibu. Which i think is just very funny alabama. L. put that in every time we say man so brody each jenner tweeden writes don't let yesterday take up too much of today and brandon thomas lee who is on the hills with him that is tommy lee and <hes> what's pamela anderson. Lee's son pamela anderson doley anymore. Let's round the scandal out in post a pic of us making out and then brody jenner reply which is funny watch watch out picks of liam and i- holding hands on the beach coming soon and then miley response to brody with go. Take a nap in your truck and cool off hashtag hot doc girl summer so there's like joking but then also actual animosity here yet. It's i think miley is like shut the fuck up right right also whatever what it's hard to know. It's just it is hard to now it. Also it's like part of me is like publicity. We start is it because that's one of your always trained to think about but it just is too weird to be a publicity stunt for literally anyone like caitlin caitlin garner but like no now and i think that usually when our impulses to say publicity stunt. I think the answer is yes but i think typically the actual event was just happenstance. It just happen to turn. They turned it into a publicity. Don't you think brody did because that's what he's trained to do but i don't think miley does that shit. I don't think that she thinks with publicity stunt anymore. Because she is famous enough where everything she does gets publicity so she doesn yeah but i knew that she now but she knows you know in this day and age and the year era of our lord two thousand nineteen when you comment on someone's instagram. You're gonna get an us weekly hotline. You're gonna get a daily mail. Headline says that mine lee and caitlyn have been friends for a quote very very long time double than i don't. I saw that too. I don't care. I haven't seen her making out but like with her before what friendship hip is like okay. They've been friends for a long time but like right. You're right so that could be anything in los angeles. I mean it could mean anything anywhere but it could be anything in los los angeles. There were never photos of them noodling before i can't find them together gather or like jackie mention of their friendship. I guess they both lived in las hall. You you know hollywood. You just meet everyone. I guess if you live long enough but i don't think that your theory is that necessarily is i don't think but this contradicts your i mean even if they were fr- some maybe they didn't meet maybe they knew each other and they reconnected or brought them together or just like this. I feel like there is serious. This malibu burning down trauma and miley cyrus his life that really made her. We assess every i'm really. I'm willing to believe that i'm willing to make sense. It's a fucked up situation. The fire's really the fires are extremely scary totally and you lost all your shit you know and you shared with your husband and then your marriage broke up like if that's not a metaphor what is but i think more so i think the fires are a symbol of like how much outside of the control of like a extremely competitive like powerful powerful rich person because it just shows that like you when you are in this especially when you are in the city that you run right like you are in home base for famous people yes and you are the most powerful people on the planet in this world like a fire will really throw you for a loop. I think we'll because it's like it's the it's a greater power than you and you are like. You can't stop it like no. Amount of money was gonna stop that fire from burning down their house and it's like that <hes> wherever it was we were talking about that the thing about how in l._a. Like the people who are most at risk for fires are the wealthier people because they live out in the in the mountains and the hills places to live which are like right in the middle of nature which arguably we should not make living in you know because they're so dangerous. I love that you put wackadoo there. That is truly wackadoo my lease caption just w- i mean i know she's not wrong about where the plan where the earth came from but then when when she he says africa you're like what you know like an aside where you're like africa. That's mountains dolemite's yeah yeah right. Do we want to talk about the other jenner. Brandon jenner girlfriend kelly stroke expecting twins so we are very excited because literally before this miley thing happened this happened which was a literally a week after a few days after brody and ceylan announced that they we're breaking up and never married brandon jenner and his girlfriend kayleigh stoker who had never heard of are expecting twins quote. We are so excited and an brandon and his wife broke up a year ago. I guess but i still was just kind of like whoa all the jenner's just like on one this week you know they're they're hosting fundraisers for cory booker to break that was the other what was like it was at a fund tracking when they had met and they were like well. Here's where they here. They met here's here's a photo of them on july twenty first alongside jenner's mother linda thompson and cory booker on an instagram photo but i don't even know who this woman is and i don't really want to look get up but they are pregnant. It just feels like out of nowhere because maybe i just forgot that he was single. Do you want me to read a <hes>. The bullet points from who is kaley soaker on your tango dot com yeah yes i do but i can't imagine there's a lot going on there. No vance no now. Also this is a god these websites. They're all lies because it says new details but the details are all about brandon. He's crazy for kelly is one of the five things so it's just that's not even the other five things. It's five things to know about kelly stoker one of them is he's crazy for keighley and the other one is a question. How serious serious is it. These aren't your tango. You really need to improve your editorial content. This is really bad. I'm not going to look this up. She has twenty six thousand doesn't twenty six hundred followers on instagram. She's private. That's you're not helping me kaley yeah well. You're not helping your tango clearly either because one of their five things is your boyfriend loves you a lot or whatever what a disappointment that will boyfriends who love their girlfriends a lot shawn mendez camila cabello are together. They're so in love. We haven't talked a look alike which kind of frequent we've never talked about that. We haven't talked about it because like these two kind of who he figures. I'm asleep together is like them e <hes>. I think you're being generous. I think that yes it sort of them e but mostly they're just not very interesting there to only interesting musicians is that have made songs that i like and i think he is a way better musician than he is. An interesting person which i think is good. He's not like you know. There's really not a lot ought to him. Like you know what i mean like. Everyone thought he was gay and then he was like i'm not gay and they were like that's offensive that you said you're not gaining was like well. I'm just trying to tell my truth and they're like what that was. A whole the you know. The keb was like wait. He's not gay hello right. She's like old friend what's up and then they made a song together and then i thought they were promoting it by kissing and real life and then it turned. They like to kiss in real life more. They're meeting each other's parents. They're wearing cute weird sweaters in new york. They're holding and i mean do just turned in twenty. One is this but like part of me. The cynical part is just like what this is a great relationship for both of them yes because when our powers combine gene we're slightly more famous. It's extremely captain planet. Yes i i realized i we just we're done. We ran out of things that's it. No more malone sean talk all the you put there. We just stop with us to stop because the doc goes margin imagine. There's nothing else to say yeah. You said you tweeted about liking their sweaters. He's wearing a sweater has beautiful mother's day. These sweatshirts make no sense to me. They're volt crazy. I mean i know that one. Somebody was like one is like this does brand cheap monday or something like it's like a high it's fine but his they're both just insane and hers qatada one with the bear on it that like to do you can't wear to statements wet shirts too. I think you can okay. I just also this photo. I noticed they they have. They have similar face shapes very they look like siblings. They have the same color hair they have. Same similar fe shapes so he's younger. He just me he. He just turned twenty one. She's twenty two now. They can go to a bar together. I guess that's fun. What's that song you love from the one the one. That's her red mark ronson that you're like. It's so trust me signing find you again. That's a it's a good song. She's good because her they turned her voice into robot voice and when i don't really love about her is her voice and so it's like oh i love her robot robot voice and hero voices songs. He signed yep. He's a good celebrator. Dwayne reed artists. We love and we hear me. Dwayne reed all the time constantly also her also hurt but moseley him. He's dwayne reed artist as the introduction to our next topic. I want to play a clip really quickly here. We go kill mussa. Christina instead are back in business for an all-new slipper flop feeling. We're starting a brand new. They're all new flavor pla thirsty ninety nine on h._d._t._v. b._t._v. and hugo turco mussa and christina are watching. I'd be like viewers are like how did she change. Her name like what happened so these two broke up because he had there was something dark going on there. If you guys remember we need to go out and get their and whatever and she was like fuck you i'm moving to. I'm marionnettes that immediately meal so she marries answered immediately and but they still can really only work together like they still have to. She has a spinoff show uh-huh called christina on the coast that she i think she filmed sort of like in in the immediate fallout but they're still doing their show together. Their money maker is flip flip flop and i think so come hell or high water. They're going to keep coming flipflop. I think they know that people are going to tune in to be like well. What's their dynamic now even yeah yeah. It's probably very weird. I'm excited to watch it but i never really liked that show to begin with but i am intriguing there kind of really the secondary chip and joanna. I mean no-one thinks thanks flip flopped. The name is more catchy like the name was always a catchy name and the concept was always there but they kind of people were never the best ones will also. He is dating somebody from your favorite other real estate show yeah so the <hes> who is she. She's the one who you kind of like did you. Did you not watch selling sunset she. I want to confirm that. She's the right one this cut. This cut yeah so her basically her role on selling sunset was like she was kind of mean one. I i don't know they were all there was just very little drama on selling sunset but they clearly wanted certain people to fill certain bubbles you know like certain buckets prior reality schilling villains archetypes right so they i think they tried to set her up. I feel like if there's another season of this show. She's going to be a more. She's going to be a clearer villain but she was always kind of the meaner one. She had worked there for a really long time. She had an attitude problem. She did not like this new girl a chris shell. She didn't like chris hell. L. was not a fan of chris l. but going like how much of this do we actually believe. The show was so heightened. I don't know but that was her role on selling sunset. She was not the lead she was just kind kind of like the main person name is heather. Rae header had the reagan heather rae young and remember. She's one of the luxury it's it's a real estate show and it's all about the people who work at this place called the oppenheim group all the houses they sell the ones that are like ground zero for malibu fires. They're all like tens of millions of dollars right. They get crazy commissions for everything and she was on this show. She's one of the you know six people who work there not the one who says she's not chris shell. She's not the one who says this silence of the lamb. She's not her. She's this one now. She's dating the third fourth most memorable one from that show on now. She's dating technical mussa so he wrote on his instagram. Is that what this is what. She looks like christina el moussa she really does. He has a type he wrote then out of the blue at heather rae young walked into my life. The first time i saw her smile she did that thing to my tummy. What is wrong with him and i knew right away to get to know her so i asked her up. She said yes <hes> smiley face one gloves in life. You can't predict the future. I couldn't predict divorce. I couldn't predict to cancers. He had to cancers. I couldn't believe my back injury. You just never know what tomorrow brings. I loved back injury. Being the like last like couldn't predict the cancers are good enough. We got it. We got it. We got it so there are together and he said i just want to let the world know. I met somebody special. That makes me a better person wants to be a better man so let's all welcome. Welcome heather rae young into my life. I don't how is that my job. I don't want to welcome hurry. This is not my business. Why am i welcome ing her she. I don't no your life. I don't follow your life right now currently but that's not me. The end of the caption is so tell me or we acute couple or what this just reads. I don't know this just reads like i'm so oh horny. My wife has gotten so much attention for her new relationship lake time for daddy to like steal the spotlight <hes>. It's it's really gross. He's a big. He loves fox news. He's innovate like i. I saw this on fox news because you know how like you know what page six owned by news corp never and so brave sometimes painting. We're just always standing for page six but it's like like i noticed tirico. Mussa did like a video feature for fox news channel like like about his beginnings in the business and how he first he made his first millions flipping houses self-funding everything and and how he's like very american dreamy and started from nothing with all the love of fox news or whatever if he truly has those politics but i also feel like the fox news audience audience loves him so of course he loves fox news. The fox news audience loves h._d. Because america loves h everyone wants but i'm just saying like. I bet he's like these people. Love me like i'm gonna do. I'm gonna go wherever the people are who loved me are maybe whatever yeah but i- it'll be interesting to see z. Them all interact and i don't think that that's very far off because you know that the tabloids love christina and they love the drum between her and tarik. Yes they have her the people. They've given her like people governor. Yes if you've been there like it's not even like just bullshit cover. She's gotten people covers on oliver robert. She gets good covers and so i think it'll be interesting whenever the two couples go on their first double date and you see them like leaving <hes> what what does that what is the what is the craig's like leaving craig's couple by couple at this place. You know when everyone's like everyone's rushing to post those popper. What do they talk. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. They kept things pretty civil while you know teric scallops i don't i will not get over so let's all welcome heather rae young into my life. Welcome bed so dad. It's still such like dad language like not quite good at social media. It seems very open chest. I again i just i never liked them. I don't like him but they are a constant figure in tabloid loyd so it's like it's so hard to avoid them. You know even if i'm gonna watch that show even if we were like you know. We don't want to cover these two. It's like we literally can't not they're everywhere. Where when does the season premiere. Oh it premiers ask these questions. Oh it's already back prepared august i. I didn't know moving on our watch. John lewis got married on this time and she is on the cover of hello magazine my favorite magazine. That's outside the united states. Hello hello because it's an language love it and it says low leona lewis mike big day. She got and so the fun fact about this that lena lou got married stings house. Did you know that <hes> so leo lewis got married at stinging trees lavish sixteenth century vineyard and estate el palacio and tuscany and the guests included suga babes keisha buchanan and voice winter jermain jackman not jermaine jackson jermain jackman. I also was confused. <hes> this article about it included a really beautiful long description of of stings house which i liked you know oh yeah. This is beautiful. It has vineyard. Vickers is a haven fin for staying and trudy. I wonder if they get to use their sex room which i know they have you know. They probably get like one day access to get twenty four hour access sex room. I'm trying to think they have to clean it. You pay for cleaning like airbnb that can extra to downpayment. She married this guy named dennis. <hes> the best thing about dennis is that he is a hip hop world champion who won germany's version of so you think you can dance and you're like <hes>. I wonder what dennis looks like. Let me tell you he's like a white guy with like a blonde kind of like comb over type haircut so don't get confused all right. Is this photo this helo. Xhosa is a photo of the wedding party in one of the rooms and stinks house like getting ready. Is this a reference to a classical piece of art like the poses are so. I don't know what the art is so. Hello has this photo. Well let me look actually see. It's described described. The photo so a photo is like it's sort of like you have very dramatic. Poses like the last supper right leg. It's very last supper so you have leona and her new husband the middle and they're surrounded by everyone in their wedding party like the bridesmaids and the groomsman below blah and all of them have very specific faces so some of them are looking at the camera. Some of them are not looking at the camera. Some of them looked scorned. Some of them look happy. Some of them look tired but it's like because it's professionally done photo you just get the feeling that it was very meticulously art directed and i'm just wondering wondering why like the placements because they're the people in the back. There are people in the front like are the people in the back whispering. What is the narrative of the story. I don't know and so because it's so like baffling. I'm just assuming that it's a reference to a famous work of art that i find any reference to it. Being that way. It just looks crazy easy like the way that they're staggered like there are so the couples in the middle and then there are behind his head. Just three people walk sitting like kind of in a row but then there's a big space and also there's a huge space in front of them and a girl is like laying down leaning with her is like downtrodden like it. Does the generous fan. The generous read of this photo is that it's a reference to something extremely famous and the routing of this photo is that it's terrible photo and the photographers really bad right like the woman on the right on the far right holding the arm of the other guy who's like looking at them like with disdain and she staring into the camera like dead-eyed looking miserable yes then you just sent them to me like that like is going hang on and who are this one girl like fiddling with her shoe. There's another girl whose leg is just like outstretched. There's just this big hole in the middle where there's the guy in the back of the photo the couple or not even the right center the guy in the back behind leona lewis who looks sort of like eric dane but you can't really tell because he's he's too far away to even make out his face. What is he looking at. He's looking at the wall like what is this. I mean we need to do like a proper breakdown on our instagram. But what is this. This is is the part that kills me. Who are those people okay. This is not great because anyway visual but will the weirdest thing about the fun fact well. Did you see it in the hello right up the fun fact about this photo. Did you see that no. What is that in here if that doorway the doorway that's behind. That's if you walk. If you walked through that doorway you'll be in lower premiums kitchen. Damn it so you're saying. The lower pre pon is being held captive by trudy and sting. Maybe she's the one who cleans the sex room when they're done disgusting and then she cooks them a nice meal of egg salad god. Can you believe she put it's mostly. It's mostly mustard. That's like blasphemous for us. Honestly she was like i put one tablespoon of also she can't measure. She's like i think this about a tablespoon. It's like what are you talking about. She puts one tablespoon of menes in an entire egg salad imagine and then she puts like two to three tablespoons of mustard third. No that's not a salad me more. It's just eggs with mustard mixed us to the next thing is another person that somebody got got engaged aged two or whatever that we didn't know but he's even less interesting than the german hip hop dancer you know yeah olsen is engaged to a guy named robby arnott whose in a band called like milo adult. Oh my green bay albums called adult contemporary okay well that cracked me up because i was like do they play adult all coe temporary music but the album is called adult contemporary. Are they a famous band. No have i heard of them no do they. Famous person issue famous person yes but i think does her a lot of favors. I still think people get really confused by her. Am i excited to see her sisters at her wedding a hundred hundred percent yes yes like are you. There will be a bowl of cigarettes but only on there's only on their table just from my sisters who i loved dearly and they're just smoking out of the bowl like like lizzy lizzy lizzy. She's extremely boring. <hes> he is extremely no one. This is not interesting. I i think that like she was in adventure game. Yes she was in the biggest movie of all time sure. I don't really does hurt any favors in terms of them. She's still a who know because there are too many avengers for us even remember also. They're also too many just to me. The vendors moved all your rose who plays what i'm not said. She also looks people are probably no doubt i do sometimes confused with blake lively lightly a bree larsen. He's also adventure sure but sure. She got her own movie though yeah that's true but i still think larson's who also has a new boyfriend further down this. Do we even want to mention her. New boyfriend re we can skip these things and then go go back to larson has a new boyfriend whose name is elisha allen blitz and the only interesting thing about him which actually is really funny is that his one of his ex girlfriends is maria bello from n._c._i._s. and december yeah they dated right after she decided she was lesbian but then decides she wasn't lesbian. Does she identifies lesbian rabia. Maybe that's problematic that i said that but when it came out everybody was like n._c._i._s. actress maria bello turns lesbian which is so language of a different era after husband rift was it so bad who wrote the mind civically wrote the headline people wrote which headlines at turns lesbian the one above that it was like from some very bad sight but peop- but you us weekly wrote maria bello fellow forty-eight broke up with her girlfriend clermont is now dating elijah allen blitz twenty nine that was after she broke up with the girl that she left her husband for the woman and people just figuring themselves out not only was dating a woman she wrote a modern love about it d- remember that i actually don't remember a modern love about like trying to explain that to her son that she was now dating his godmother essentially anyways and now that person is dating brie larson and bree larsen looks thrilled. This photo you put in here is hysterical rehearsing which one she looks thrilled doors sandler adler or she looks you know tired. She looks very tired. Lose one arm star magazine. Moving on captain marvel's new man six months after ending her engagement to phantom planet's alex greenwald re larssen steps out and makes out with with her new beau director and producer elisha allen blitz anyways he also did the short take every wave layered in v._r. We are don't really understand what that is but okay back. We're going back. We're going back to what's going on between lindsay lohan and the crown prince of saudi arabia nothing good. There's no way anything and good going on between those two. Maybe the best thing that page six has done in a very long time ago. You know we like her graph. This this read this paragraph hallowed while the herbie fully loaded star and the vicious authoritarian would seem to make for an unlikely to some seemed to make sources close to lo han dan who has been partly based in nearby dubai for the past couple of years told page six that it's not unusual for the rumors singer to be courted by middle eastern dignitaries what i love. I love that that's that paragraph. Technically doesn't even have information in it. It has no information me. She just has a lot of descriptions of things that we already knew. Would you rather be called. The herbie fully loaded star or a vicious authoritarian. I don't wanna be in authority and i wanna be a herbie fully loaded star. Okay good to know same just wondering so apparently it's funny imagining if you didn't know if you we're from another planet and then you read this and you didn't know which was which and you're like the herbie fully loaded star and the vicious authoritarian and then you see the photos and you're like. I don't know which one is which i mean. Lindsay could easily as lebie ambitious authoritarian at this exactly. That's what i'm saying. She is possible to know she's just everywhere doing every thing so it says a wild rumor hit down down that low hand and the bloodthirsty crown of saudi arabia god have gotten close than he'd been flying her around in his jets and showering her with presence including being this is my favorite type of present that i've ever heard of my life. A gift wrapped credit card. This is so messed up. It's the gift that keeps on giving and when we started asking around a source in her inner circle acknowledged that they quote know each other. This is so messed. This is like the point pointed lindsay's life when she was quote unquote a yacht saleswoman remember we talked about that as being an analogy possibly for something else yeah <hes> not to shame it but just to state it like an a yacht salesman like lindsay lohan was there was nothing darker yeah. There's nothing darker than this sentence. The rep also denied denied that bin salman who has been accused of ordering the two thousand eighteen murder of journalist. Jamal kush gogi gave low hannah credit card. I awful notice very they. This is a terrible. This is like page six realizing really they're like l._l. Herbie <hes> be fully loaded and vicious authoritarian and they're like wait no seriously he's a murderer by right no true. I mean yeah that's true. We really need to talk about people who aren't murderers how jenna awan and her boyfriend steve because e every time someone says kasey every time someone says genital on i'm like waiting for them to tatum and they never do anymore is like it's one deafening drop like john because you have to learn how to go down at the end of dewan john tatum john one jenna dewan. I never said to one with the down. I've never ever said genita- one because i didn't know she was before it because it's jenna dewan tatum but now it's genita- one that's brand new and this is the new way of saying this name well. Here's my question to you when this happened to rebecca grow mainstay most. Did you have a hard time because look just did it. Oh did absolutely aching remain stable taking stamos romaine. Oh it took years took years years years. She's romaine staples to me. That's rude. Though i'm sorry i just i like the sound of go romaine jenna and i don't want just genita- wink just it's now jessie j tatum ooh jessie j tatum sounds nice jessie j tatum jessie j tatum jessie j tatum jesse j such as jessie j jessie j but now she's jessie j tatum jenna dewan what if he becomes channing tatum j you wish very progressive you wish and he would channing tatum j. j. her real last name cornish or something cornwall cornish jessica cornish jessica corden look back into those archives so she took the n._y._c. subway for the first time which is really funny and she quote had a great time. She told that to kelly ripa yes. She couldn't believe it. She said i was like i want to ride the subway. I want to see this. It's also funny 'cause like we're currently in one of the worst times for for our subway in new york city in a long time so jenna dewan giving this free fuck in fun and fly depressed too are terrible subway on a like it. I did for the first time ride a subway boy those subway i should say she told co host ryan seacrest if felt like a real new yorker for a second i was like i wanted ride the subway. I wanna see this. She said adding that her boyfriend who used to live in new york. City wasn't quite excited. He was like this is what we do. Oh wow i love. I love this guy. He was like the prince grape. Steve was like jenna. This is not this is just the thing that we do then. She said this is my mom when she rides the subway but i made friends. She said explaining that she encountered a fellow dancer on the subway. Who performed for the train nine. We were up dancing. I had a great this person. If you've been on the new york city subway you've seen both the person who's performing and the person and who joins in and it's like the only one but if jenna dewan is on your train dancing with showtime showtime baby. Don't you thank you never imagined showtime my mom's first time on the subway. She wasn't holding onto the rails and then <hes> when it started she fell kind of into into someone and it was really crowded and she laughed it off and she can get hurt. She laughed it off and just announced to the car. I i'm on the subway and no one like like no one not. No one noticed her. She could i mean she was invisible. Mom mom i. I'm on the subway. Everyone is looking down standing there. Did you wanna standing right. I was staying there and i was like okay. Okay just keep holding it. Something like you gotta keep holding it. You can't let go. I am on the subway. No one cares that's jenna dewan tatum and then she'll does a split. Everyone's like what ah that genital data and they're like. It's just jenna dewan that we're gonna see. Jennifer has now addict to the subway and pretty soon. We're going to start seeing her doing showtime showtime on her own agenda ones bring her little bluetooth. She's going to dance in front of people. We're going to be like it's jug. I can't take the f. because fucking jan undo ones always on showtime. She doesn't even have tawny. She gets on at bergen. She gets off at j street. She just keeps going back back and forth. Gentlemen only did the lines where like people who would know who she was. Were you know she only which lines are those because i'm i'm not sure those lines exist. Is that the the uncompleted second avenue train because i don't know it's the one no okay truly the subway and the fun fact about the subway every time people. I don't know the fun fact about the subway. Is the subway away win. It's working in ideal. Conditions subways the fastest way to get anywhere yeah like your stupid if you take a car but it just so happens subway sucks right now well oh <music> okay. We didn't need that extra money for no you know you put this headline in here. You're like <hes> wild daily mail story. It's a mystery distri. Fans claim australian stars nicole kidman and kylie minogue have quote never pictured together despite over thirty years in showbiz attending the same events and even starring in a film to get well first of all this is like an article written off like four tweets which is fine because the tweets are good but the tweets bazeley are like how how have these two australians never been in a photo together how i would say good question but i'm not sure it. There's one it's not a good question. Why would they need to be we would you meet because they're both australian and and they're both friends. They're i mean. They're not friends clearly. They're they're both women. They're both women and they're from australia and they're from israel. We know that nicole doesn't really have that many friends. She doesn't like leaving her farm with keith deep like yeah but in there has no history of existence. There's no photos when you have naomi watts. You don't need kylie minogue. Okay well okay rude as your friend. I will say this one. Tweet is really funny that daily mail put it in here from two thousand eight. Someone just tweeted nicole kidman and kylie minogue never the two shall in two thousand eight. It's really fucking funny. That's really funny. What the implications czar. Why are there no photos of kylie minogue nicole kidman together <hes> there are no votes of niagara together. What do we think this is implying look. What do we think this suggests. There's there's no right right. There's no like this is a conspiracy theory but there's no actual conspiracy like right like it's like basically staying but we don't have an actual like reason that we're saying that it's a thing you're saying <hes> <hes> but you you have no actual theory well. It's like it's a conspiracy theory without the theory. Yeah walls like implying that the both of them would want to be photographed together like okay so this is out and about both kylian nicole were at the two thousand eleven billboard music awards at the m._g._m. Grand garden arena in vegas. They pose is in front of the same media wall but we're not spotted and the same photo at the event got there at different times like nicole was just there to see justice support missed connection guys. No i mean i don't know i'm i'm. I like conspiracy theories. That are like this so i believe it. What is the conspiracy. What is there to. I believe they're not suggesting anything anyone saying like. Why is anyone. Do you know the movie. They started together. What moulin rouge josh oh. She was a fucking fairies the absence she's literally c._g._i. Ferry they didn't meet each other. They be pictured together. She's a c._g._i. War maybe in the press for the movie movie or something no no no all the side by side. Sale can't make a <hes> like assumption as to what people are talking about. You know there's a photo someone responded to the thread with a photo of someone who looks like kylie minogue from behind but it wasn't laughing at nicole kidman and then they're like i found it and then it said could it be hilariously thought they had debunked that theory after they found an image nicole handing in a war to another other blonde haired beauty believed to be kylie and then the follow up tweet goes sharon stone the hunt continues and you see from the front with sharon stone. I mean it just a funny any. It's just a great like daily mail reading twitter article. You know it's great. What else is going on. There was a really good sharon. Stone has been on on lately and she's had really really good tweets. There was a really good one where she was lying down lying down and took a selfie and like some head scarf and like a next scarf and then like big oil sunglasses and a big old sweater and then it says i find the laying down selfie to be best for over fifty. She's gone. She's like trying trying to be fun but they're funny. They're not like oopsy funny. They're funny. They're actually like she's trying. She's trying something. She's doing something. She's looking for her. She's looking for her new new act speaking of daily mail headlines like i don't wanna get into but i just want to read to you. I like this one. Show him what he's missing. Victoria's secret models chanina shakes tons in a thigh skimming gold mini-dress at unicef summer gala dot dot dot just weeks after splitting from husband d._j. Ruckus what is there to say except nothing. There's nothing despite i will say this reminds me of a really funny story from us weekly a few days ago i think two days ago and it was about scott disick so it said that scott disick is quote trying to make it up to his family after he hit bottom will afford says so. We'll afford is now acting as the mouthpiece for scott disick nick and this is really funny. He's been through a lot. I think he hit the bottom. The i wanna be bad singer thirty eight told us weekly exclusively during kershaw's challenge ping pong purpose fundraising event at dodger stadium in los angeles on thursday kershaw's challenge ping pong for purpose fundraising event at dodger stadium. That's where that's where we'll afford was. That's a real of ford said that scott disick hit bottom. I think hypothesis got hit bottom after nine eleven. That's that's what god okay. We can't dwell on that. We also can't well on the teen choice awards because they make me deeply depressed so we're actually not gonna talk about them. Moving moving so we're not going to talk about the you're not even going to play a clip of the song that jordan mcgraw debuted with sarah hyland called matter we met at a matter at the party met at the party okay. I'll play that but then we have to met at a party featuring sarah hi off to move on after i play this clip okay matt data policy and she told me <hes> it took place now the sweet. I don't know eh onto what haley deaf. Celebrating national is on your day with michael angelo's which she says her quote family loves. Did you see the picture though it's really good. She's like eating it from like a plastic container but like there's no it's the she's not what their family. I do think that that's that's a real because when you eat microwave dinner you have to get dish talent of their towel under a plastic container container lavar authentic. That's like real. I hope she replaced our family. Say cheese anyways found that in the in a magazine what's so funny is <hes> when you read the tabloids they they'll reuse the same photos rate select different tablets will use the same photos and sometimes they'll be just like p._r. Photos that people send if they're really really good all the tabloids will use them this one only one tabloid used i think it was star but like no one else chose to use it like you know they all got it but they did not choose say cheese lasagna with meat sauce michelangelo's. That looks good. So is there anything else to to dwell on unless us or we is a time for rita rita ora. What was she wearing. Where was she seeing. She posted astute why she's a who clean ten so key to <hes> <hes> what's rita ora up to who is this woman well. She has been making a splash first of all. She wore a bikini that no one could get over picture was barely. They're black bikini. Yes <hes> as she walked around with a unicorn inflatable on a yacht trip in a beatha with pals. She wore the keeney. That was just like a really sexy. Bikini and people could not handle it will lately. She's been really into bikinis that show up under boop she low and over boop and over sidhu been under boob. Though i think are her favorites i think our favorite is under booth think so under boobs oops under but she liked she also shows off she also showing up side boob and she's obviously joining up top boob. 'cause you gotta show up top boop. What's what length months left. I guess front bu but you can't legally i've seen can't offer boob like if you like what from behind and then you see like it kind of poking out on the side that is or is that still decide decide boop. She hasn't brought from not showing front. Boob is what you're like. Her nipples okay okay. What does she do. She lost a teen choice award. She lastly losing a teen choice. Award is the biggest i compliment you could have lost choice song from a movie. Her and kyw go lost carry on to a whole new world title from aladdin which is fine fine. Honestly you're right at any will now. Shall i mean shallow losing only at the team's choice award choice awards shallow lose. It's it's so good also lost like favorite favourite onscreen couple today. Let they lost everything what like leg riverdale like cole sprouse and lily lilly no it was something like that. No it was favorite ship couple. That's exactly what it was. It was cool spouse similarly reinhard. They want to be fair. I mean he didn't. I mean you know what i mean. Spoiler making a splash reort leeann panic and the low island girls show getting out of the pool is an art form with the sexy step up pose. This is incredible this. This is one of the most research son articles i've ever read in my whole life. Have you clicked on this. It's just it literally a entire article about how there's a trend and at first you're you're like three is a trend that's fine. There are way more than three in this trend. They do wow there's like. It's about how women are posing coming out of the pool. Oh okay you're like lindan those ladders that's simple. Why would you even make a thing of it. No the sun writes a how to guide of looking sexy. Were coming out of the pool and let me read to you what they say whether you're at the bottom of the stairs looking up the camera or trying your best to seem canada's you low yourself into the water. This is this effortless cool. Pose involves casually clinging onto the railings although it may seem like a pretty simple pose. There's a lot more than that that goes into this than i think first things first you gotta decide whether you're standing at the top of the ladder with arms resting on the rails or fully submerged in the water at the bottom you you will need a smartphone access to a pool and instagram boyfriend willing to do one hundred takes. If you look at all these i'm not just being. I'm not just being a who weekly co host right now the best one you think so read it says the best one let me look i'm right. I'm looking at them. <hes> let's see let's see. Let's see oh yeah. Rita's is the best first of all it's it's shot spot on flat shotted eye level. Which is the cameras her eye level which i think is nice and we have the beautiful background. It's a gorgeous pool. It's like something and it's also also. It's not a camera phone this is this is a good photo right and it's not there's no filters involved. You can tell it's just a nice camera the sun the lighting is perfect. You know you can see tall hall handles to trick angle. It's like the flat. It's like it's like the right on animal paul yeah. She's fucking pro these other women get outta here with this. Get out of here. I just clicked on so i clicked on your link to the sun and it was it led me to this. The sun article called faking it woman brutally exposes sisters quote staged instagram post after she claimed to go on a hike in their all caps back garden. There's a woman named casey sauce now sqi sqi and she posted a i guess influence or and there's her and her at leisure and it says like on a hike or something and then the sister took a photo of this instagram photo her sister took a photo of this all happening and it's you see it from a wide shot and she's just posing in the back of her yard and you can see like my sister said she was going hiking. This is our backyard carly's brutal tweet exposing her sibling <unk> sibling went down more of storm collecting impressive twenty two hundred seventy five thousand lakes and forty thousand retweets. Okay that's funny. It's really good. I love the sun. What adult is rita up to. She goes brawl as she slips into a slinky magin magenta slip dress for dinner debut the also she sizzled over the top looks that exposes thighs. You know that site like inspector whatever they always make the weirdest ones i like. The cheap posed a boat specter. No it's up. What's what's it called inquisitor. They're insane. She also posed alongside a boat called great news. Which i loved great news said same bikini it's that same mccain aim bikini and her followers lover bikinis one wrote. Your bikinis never fit you. I hope she never figures out her size outrageous now. This is a bikini bikini. No this is a bikini is a really good comment now. That was a good episode. Was it now that was an episode okay. Now that that was an episode was an episode. I'll say that i'll agree with you there. Thank you for listening to who weekly interviews apple podcasts instagram twitter facebook books on pat paolino dot com slash who we le- for fun stuff and i think that's it have a great week. Call us at six nine who them so that we can answer your calls. Listen listen to them. <hes> put them on the next episode of who's there which will be on friday. See you later bye bye you will. They want to know to be famous.

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The Top Five Bachelor Nation Stories of the Summer and Love Triangles in Bachelor in Paradise | Bachelor Party

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The Top Five Bachelor Nation Stories of the Summer and Love Triangles in Bachelor in Paradise | Bachelor Party

"You haven't really arrived in paradise until you have a cocktail in hand. Luckily the new cape lines brockman cocktails closer than you think he's amazingly flavorful new beverages can incoming can cinema matter where you are that cabana lounging state of mind is just op tab away only in a perfect world would delicious convenient like this also be made ingredients. You can feel good about well. Leave it to cape lines. Brooklyn cocktails deliver an uncompromising blend of six simple ingredients. Nothing artificial get on facebook instagram and follow cape line in remember. It's easy to fall in love when you're in paradise. Welcome to cape line. Celebrate responsibly twenty nine thousand nine caitlyn beverages memphis tennessee analysis batch. My mom always take my vitamins and right now. I'm taking a multi-vitamin tonight. I need to figure out whether i need to take a little little bit more. A vitamin d vitamin d don't <music> welcome to bachelor party. I'm julia lebanon. I'm back. It's been a few weeks weeks. There's so much to cover. I'm incredibly excited to go over everything including tonight's bachelor in paradise bachelor paradise thus far everything having to do with tyler and everything else. That's happened in the last few weeks. I'm joined by my esteemed colleague injured julia. What's up. Andrew sell excited welcome back. I'm so excited. Thank you. Thank you very much. I was not a vacation. I was on medical leave. I'm fine. I'm fine now and as a result of also had a lot of time to read bachelorette it and to be like an insane bachelor person. I think there was like a ten day stretch where literally the only thing i was capable of talking about was was like tyler and the bachelor and so as a result. I am so excited to talk about everything that's been happening so much has happened already five episodes hera's it feels like to me <hes> what was the summer in the n._b._a. Wendy andre jordan was going to go to the mat twenty fifteen as you now is a challenge parsons and also friends with him. That was very upsetting time. December twenty fifteen feels like a turning point to me where bachelor nation is now just a year long sports. Actually i want to discuss that. We're going to get to it so here's how this up so. It's going to go first. We're going over the top five in ascending order targe with is taught by bachelor nation summer storylines that we have not discussed in then we'll talk about tonight's bachelor in paradise which was basically all about love triangles which like by episode five bachelor in paradise. I feel like the excitement begins today down and that's partially a structural problem with show. I just want to say it. We'll get into this. My main thought is hannah and dylan. They should be out now to be out. There coupled up that she made her choice out. We'll come back to that. Let's jump into the summer storylines number. Five colton on this american life disagree yeah what a look colton newly platinum blonde. Have you seen him on instagram yeah he's like. I don't know if it's the right look for look. It's a you look so he's still dealing cassie. He's no longer the most followed person ambassador nation that is now ms hanna brown who changed her instagram handle from alabama obama hannah to add hannah brown. She's big time could for we're in talk so much more about her. We'll get there but colton was on this american life. I listened to the segment. I i love love. Love love this american life. Are you listening general. I'm not a i'm not a frequent listener but every time i do listen i'm like wow this is a good just a good production it really is. I had a very tedious job in college. That was lovely but i used to enter copy. It's in at a academic publisher and it was like great great college job because then take a lot of brain power but had a lot out of like mental time so i listened to a lot of this american life when i was in college and i was like just all and as a result sarah vowels my favorite writers whatnot anyway <music> so excited to colton was on but i took some issue with the segment. Did you listen. I did listen so the woman who was reporting it yes. She doesn't listen to bachelor party because some of the things she said. I have never been addressed. We actually did cover when rob back in like may when whenever it was like for example colton talked about like where he went when he jumped over the fence and how he he said he expected her to be production there were there wasn't and then he was like lying in a ditch and lying and someone's lawn and stuff like that and so rob actually did tell us that but there wasn't one huge revelation which i absolutely loved and that was that he was able to buy himself some more time after he jumped over the fence by retreating not into the bathroom which is where you go on the real world when you want to have vaccine and having not on camera but to the staff psychologist august of the show yeah fascinating did not know that this was the this was the rule still the rule that we learned is that if you you may not be filmed while you're talking to this. I think that's actually quiet now psychologist which means it's an m._d. Not a p._h._d. In that's fascinating i knew they didn't know she tried he or she traveled. Yeah yeah i guess it it does make sense when you're it's like they do need to have someone just on their while they're emotionally manipulated are the and particularly have and the other thing he revealed which i think rob also mentioned is that the producers of the show thought that he was going after him g <hes> and and you can ask because colton lied to them yeah i had never i don't know that i knew it was such a specific process assessed as he made he said basically like every week when he had his check ins with producers they would have him rank the women yeah and then they would then structure <hes> dates around that ranking and that he said the first week he ranked hannah energy not in the top spot and then she wasn't even invited on any dates right so then he was like oh. I can see what they're doing. Here which does make sense ends because we did not see hannity very right. Jeeze one real moment was i think in vietnam when they had those insane still like constantly like weird so yes actually the mud i know i never want to see colton like that yeah and so it makes sense because then she was she was really backloaded and that happens with a lot of the winners jed because she was so into him from the jump <hes> and also also she had so many of you in retrospect she had so many duds like so many yeah. I mean they're sport. There was four guys and one of them was luke so yeah i five five climate include mike all right and so i was surprised that they do the specific ranking which i love i love to rank things and general i mean the ringer and our stock in betrayed is ranked answers actually the master of our. I thought that's great. It would be kind of fun. If i mean it'd be so mean. Published published act like producer. If you're listening any producer of any level leak those whoever leaks realities i would love to see a written ranking. You just like a legal pad of colin's fulton's handwriting. So why do they have him write. It delivered verbal black by secret ballot. Like what is that yeah i do it. It was cool to just hear him talk like he such a football player that like he. He makes adjustments yeah so he noticed what was going non immediately and then was like okay. I'm going to start ranking cassie like in the middle so they that they don't know that i'm actually feeling her but then that's why they they then tanked the relationship purpose in the last few weeks something i've really been i've had to come to grips with and really marinate on is the fact that colton is probably better football. Oh bob in tyler 'cause meena pointed that out to me us and colton hit hit like one or two levels above in tyler and it's really upset i can't i don't want anyone's over tyler and yet it gives you notice. I'm still a tie hard. I nothing can nothing can in waiver now. They're gonna shake me from that anyway. It was kind of nice to hear from colton. It sort of felt like quaint share. It was finding the way that this american life couched the fence job trump. I was like all right. That was a really big deal. So much has happened in our nation that i kind of forgot that like this was it probably is that still the biggest moment and bachelorette story yeah yeah i mean it's this in the aria aria break-up yeah and i think roger wrote about this hannah undoubtedly made the biggest mistake and she might have the most memorable all season but the two biggest moments were doing moments only are still belong number one number two and we'll call you'll always have that fence trump and it still has an athletic fee. It's still fairly young for almost six months later actually five months later. It's still amazing it job. Caulton cassie still being together surprise or not suppressed <hes>. I'm a little surprised but i i'm happy about it. You know it makes me think that he did the right thing number four biggest moment imagination this summer. This is something i truly truly did not see becoming chad. He of the meat eating deli eating deli meat. Eating chad is back with a vengeance on sotelo serbia. He is so back. I'm going to read you a tweet. He went on a tweet this morning that i don't really go see three days long. He's been out of tweet tweet storm for the last few days and his tweets are so offensive he so rude like he's just like completely crosses so many lines if i were a member another member of the bachelor alumni family i would ignore him. Not everyone has tyler tyler. Tyler did like a tweet. That was really laying back at him. Ban responded. We'll get to that. This is the kind of thing chats tweeting quote by don't endorse. This just really made me laugh. Quote tia what's her tits apparently has a boyfriend but according to sources she constantly text corrie brooks wanting to sexually demolish him sources say it sucks next to be her boyfriend and corrie brooks can't benchpress properly just to be clear. This is the last offensive tweets that's like yeah. The bottom autumn really really mild compared to other shit that he said that's way more offensive. Here's another one are lying. Dykes spelled wrong sometimes feeds his child food and according to sources bathe her as well he has shown to be a quote good father close quote and also maybe quote good person close quote sources say he will he most likely will not commit any mass murderers but he will feed the baby or some shit so he's just like on one. He's just like go. I think at the beginning of this year she was like i'm going to tweet we live in. Some of these are true and are not true. It's just so weird and then he then he found that a really really offensive and it turns out he israel villain because as we learned i think in the first week or a paradise he waded into the <hes> blake drama which of course we'll get to and derek revealed revealed that one of chad's moves which is second in genius if he squad on the other bachelor people like a great rate villain move. It's all good. It's so funny. Sorry it's only example. He owns derek path dot com and it redirects to chats web. It rejects the chance i'm saying i am jealous that i did not think to do this to some enemies is true. <hes> people to judge this when <hes> joe joe biden had like the little mess up in the numbers joe thirty thirty or whatever it was like joe like three thirty eight hundred or something the third buddha judge immediately squatted on that you are l. Someone's direct. Someone smart works for shed shed works for people. That's incredible. What's again get chad is like really back. I ben my beloved who i just wanna say better nine to eleven madison park. I kid you not it was good and we sat in the bar where you can order alicarte in free granola. It was really fantastic. Ben chad tweeted. Maybe this is one of the ones that aren't true. Chad tweeted podcastone make money as i was told after six months of working in mind even ben higgins earns less than twenty k. per year for this podcast and it's very highly listened to you parentheses. I don't know why close parentheses but it's not worth the time or energy. It's a circle jerk for you to hear your own voice shots fired podcasts out of teak second of all ben responded man. This is death not true star yours workout. We've been lucky enough to have sixteen million listens in our time. Iheartradio has been really great for for ashley and i <hes> ben don't really sure streaming numbers come on man. That's netflix would be like what the fuck doing and second of all lie respond into this month. I don't know i i mean i guess i can. I know some people are engaging. Hymns 'cause like it's just literally one hundred percent of their lives but i mean it's not winning i can't i can't criticize for a solid ten days. I said this was one hundred percents finally right. No i get it. I get it but that i don't no no i responded. I mean a lot of people responded. I think dean waded there yeah. There's there's a lot of people in there. There's really a lot and i don't know why i mean there's nothing to gain gained from engaging china. I also want to note chad's private on instagram or he was i. I had to request a fall him. He approved me. Thanks i you gotta follow back but he i don't know why someone like john would be private but it's kind of like some some accounts once in a while be random like someone sent like me mm account. <hes> sorry not random private four million followers but you had to be approved. What's the point of that. I think the memes the accounts is like a whole copyright everything that stand. That's so that's that's my theory that developed in my head. You're saying i'm very interested in copyright. After seeing moulin rouge i'm just like california's seventy pop songs including single ladies and musical <hes> interesting okay so yeah chad johnson. He's just stacking the mic so back could never have expected it instant development that truly love. He'll never be allowed to be on a show again right now. Never never i just wanted to another taking a tease right now. We'll come back to you. Jordan kimball also should never be allowed back. He should have a lifetime ban. I agree moving on number three biggest storyline from bachelor nation this summer jared nationalist wedding it happened. How closely did you follow this not too. I'm not a huge ashley jared person. I've turned. I like them now. Although auto backstreet boys video backer well ashley. I will jared nazaire fans that are watchable so that's the way in tomorrow very quickly. I appreciate that second of all both both really nice people. They seem they seem terrific. I guess the thing about jared from the moment he appeared on the show on ceylan season or years years ago he just in my regular guy from ireland who can meet at any bar in boston like just like a dude. You know yes and so far. That's been proven to be true. I can't i ah you know apparently he's been telling the story that the reason she asked the paradis producers for him to be there for her to like be like setup with him because he looks like a journalist brother and like maybe they're all from the northeast and have similar coloring and steph dark hair dark aaron are wake is like okay sure <hes> <hes> but they are who they are like yes i do you follow them on social media. No i know they're on vacation or on their honeymoon right now. It looks great lachey because everything sponsored like literally everything is sponsored and everything. Their wedding was sponsored by god reading about the wedding. It's just like a list of brand yeah i know and their wedding planner in the laurel designer and like the event designer and it's just like so much <hes> <hes> they had a lawn gal mary them alon who is the like paradise was his brainchild. He's like a longtime bachelor producer. They they wanna tanner to. I've got this unless they wanted tanner to officiate but he couldn't make it because his wife jade gave birth two she weeks earlier in the closet of their emergency birth. In thank god everyone is ok and and they seem like they're doing well but tanner. Could it make it as a result of having a two week literally having a newborn. I'm kind of them but not and then then god tanner's also getting twitter fight. There's just so much hats or saying. It's like it's just like bachelor. Nation has exploded the thing that's amazing about. Nash's wedding and to your point is that people paid for all all this content. Yeah i mean they not like people in general people magazine yes. They did a video exclusive pictures like all of this shit. They're they're like there's a clear audience of of people online and magazine buyers wanna read exclusively about ashley and jared's wedding yeah and i think like we're obviously going to talk more about tyler and how tyler has become a proper. These bachelor stars have really crossover crossover and i. I guess we've hit like a critical mass of <hes> of the fan base. Yes there's enough to support content around them. It's pretty wild like they <hes> a turning point. In the history of us. Weekly is when they started cutting the bachelor and now it's just like the bachelor has so many people so many people who are like into being famous they just is like can easily dominate the tablets and they do. It's pretty wild. We'll come back to the second year right when we talk tyler. There's just so much dig in there plus. I did get to meet him a couple of times which is just incredible i before he goes to <hes> blake ceylan. There drama started batch number two on the lest blake end. Kaelin's started out as a bachelor parents drama then he took his social media so obviously we'll just. Let's just get into the little mary now because uh obviously miss this on the podcast. We wanna paradise. Blake is like hotshot yeah. This is really mean not looking good yeah. He looks like a different in like worse person than on <hes> beca season. It's become worse person because there's just not as high as the baby. I'm gonna defend blake but keep going <hes> his intro <hes> little segment where where i he's doing some sort of dance move yeah as a bad look i noticed i noticed that him and tyler have both made dancing their thing i guess so <hes> but blake blake is agreed. Yes we now have seen him on several dates on the show and and like dancing with the girls go to everyone and everyone on who is at stagecoach was like oh yeah. That's so upsetting. I can't believe it yeah so in case you. I don't know just like lying lying in same bitches colton and yet blake before paradise slept with christina and caitlin in the same weekend in paradise and then he we flew to alabama to meet hannah and then given i eat card paradise instead of giving it to one of the three women he's already involved with some extend anti gave it to teixeira yeah so he created a real. John tucker must die situation. Then kaelin spent the first match plea saying they face timed we'd had a relationship and and then like tyler to me. He goes at her and um as i was watching it. I was just like this is really bad for blake yeah yeah he was getting crushed. I feel bad for him. <hes> a little bit i mean like in some sense. It's a problem of his own making that like just don't hook up with people who all know each other all within like rapid succession like it's just not gonna work knowing that paradise is coming and like who are the type of people. You're going to be either exactly but there is a you do hit a point where like everyone is on one side and it's just him alone and it's this kind of this kinda sucks abraham and we just know that blake is emotionally fragile that to end so i don't think he has the like emotional fortitude to withstand the he's definitely not comfortable being an underdog now definitely not and so he as a result of of of thrashing he took in week one paradise went on instagram and release the receipts of him <hes> him in kaelin texting each other and it makes took quite bad. Yes it makes it seem like the story. She told him paradise is like completely not true even watching the heavily distorted. That's that's the thing like and you know. Unfortunately this is sort of a theme with kaelin where like if you go back to the kaelin kaelin hannah be feud where we never really knew what exactly happened yeah and it was just like it was sort of like kaelin shaping the story right. This was sort of a similar thing where when she was talking about blake it was sort of like you felt some inaccuracies in the story in in it also he never got to tell his story even if a producer did ask him like what happened between you and kayla we didn't see it yeah so we just saw him being a fuck boy and we didn't get to see what he what he said happened which sucks and i don't wanna say that kaelin was intentionally lying. I mean there's two sides to every story yeah but it's both of them trying to make themselves look better yes agreed and then he released their tax and basically in the tax. It seems like they have what is probably a really common way for people to communicate communicate where she's like. I'm coming over and and she's in. She says he's weakened caught on what we can't have sex and she says it's only i can then. There's i obviously there's there's tax suggests that you know they're trying to figure out how to keep it a secret. Yeah whereas kaelin said on the show that blake made her keep it a secret where it seemed like more. This was a mutual decision together and then calming ghazi were involved triangle colton kassian. Kayla is so fascinating she basically basically blake blake asked her like what did colton cassie say about keeping secret and out and they didn't have an opinion and i just was like why are helpful in the whole matter what a shock colton aww indecisive but it just seemed like the whole the whole thing was really a mess and i just wanna say ultimately blake should not have released the second <unk>. No nothing good ever comes of something like this. I also just like for future people who are going to release released receipts. I need more time. Stamps totally a need more context like here's here's the thing this is what i like to do. What i'm wanting to send long message passage like i want to show a friend. I'm having i do a video screen record us point petsmart and blake i couldn't we could have appreciated that. Show us how much time yeah yeah it's just there. I mean 'cause it was also like okay you. I believe these text messages but i also believe that you you could have strategically screen shot at yes absolutely on point has favors and he didn't do any weird cropping. They're all your the crop is always a red flag you know or if you show the keyboard to like push the conversation out so part of it isn't included but ultimately i think they both look bad yeah and you just can't be like there's no winners in this one. I'm going to post these but also don't bully total like well people are going to do. I know it's like i know people have no choice then idiotically. He took them down. He was like i never intended for caitlyn caitlin. Yeah you know how this works one other note about liking kaelin before we move onto the hottest topic of the summer and the hottest person living caitlyn who joined join the show tonight also coach. Everyone was like matter. They're so funny when she said like oh. It's good to see you. I was like wait what it was a stagecoach i know and like i think there were some jokes beforehand. Oh dylan tweeted like i hope caitlyn wasn't at each coach that but she was like like it's crazy. It's coaches now. The most important i think most important offsite in bachelor in asia i think it's because they all go with revolve like the club yeah right yeah and and they all become like vermont branding opportunity i don't. I don't really got it but whatever i have. I have a question yeah. Do you think bachelor like the producers like all this stuff happening in between seasons and then like they come to the show loaded with this or are. They upset that they have to spend so much time oy <hes>. That's a good question. I think they probably like it. I this is a good segue into tyler because i think what tyler is done. The jeannot like constitutes going going rogue but obviously demi is kind of an orchestrator of a lot of this drama and she's really cooperative with the producers yeah so i think it kind of depends on the person percents but if it's someone who has a relationship but the people who run the show then i think it's positive for them. I do get the sense that the show new stuff it was happening yeah absolutely because i i do think there you know it sort of made paradise a thing immediately yeah we moved on from the hannah and jedburg like tyler situation so quickly as quickly as tyler did and i think that's definitely a positive for them but it it. Do you like it as a viewer. There's i mean i i i enjoy the <hes> how <hes> almost like twenty four hours as the show is whereas when you can you can stop watching the show and then just go online and there's like more content to consume share. The show itself is a little like. I have no frame of reference for any of this so it's a little tough like watching immediately. I think if i had not spent myself reading bachelorette it i might feel differently yeah. Now you just gotta come come to the compared. All this stuff listen to this podcast will prevail. I'll give you all the backstory but also to that point. Some of the people on the show. Don't like it like i think ben and tanner having going after them either like she's on different than judge discuss tonight. She had his girlfriend back home and that she has a different. I mean it's very different than because she hasn't lied about it. She's been pretty upfront. She tells producers started this whole season with demi talking about it but i do think there's like a certain type type of person from the bachelor world. Who's a purist yes. Let's keep these cameras which is not the impulse. It's funny but whatever okay hey it's finally time to discuss tyler after a break retired unpredictable hair-color results they hello to color and co first hair-color by laurie al a color code dot com you can get free instant video consultation expert colorado the comfort of your own home. You're colorist orissa there to help you create the precise kelvin looking for based on your hair goals and needs l. Prescribe personalized shade custom plan just for you but truly personalized haircut goes goes beyond a passive shade color code also personalize your instructions and application to ensure accurate results in just a few days. 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The biggest thing that's happened this summer is that someone from bachelor nation managed to land hand it legitimately internationally known and famous significant other in that is tyler cameron tyler jay cameron don't know what the dating the one only g._t. hadid who has been legitimately famous for like ten years long time. She's like her best one of her best friends kendall jenner. She is a bona fide true true celebrity and like like a high end model and from zane. Malik of one direction to tyler is a step up from danger tyler. I would say looks wise is yeah. I mean a really really really different look. He's a handsome guy so okay. Let's back up first of all. I met tyler twice and i really wanna talk to times great guy. He's radiates light and energy and he's just really nice ernest dude. What are you smell like clean. The thing like also read it. What is holler smell like. I don't know what did i think about like what attracted person well. I don't know sometimes it's notable he doesn't him. It wasn't bad he was wearing compression leggings which indicated to me. He's working out. I think she just wears those all the time. I can't really tell i think he i think he'd been working out but but he's really really nice. I think that he came to this first meeting knowing to some extent that i was obsessed with him and had spent hours talking about got it but he's so nice and this was before the finale so when i met him we are also with nick by all and they stopped for picks and it was like a lot and how such signaling probably socks but it can't be anything compared to now though bigger cameras mistakes tyler so let's go back to the finale. Allie tyler looked smoking hot on the finale show. I'm going to be honest. I had a hard time watching the finale because i was just so jealous of hannah like getting to like ask tyler tyler. He's just so he's just a really nice guy and so hot and he looked so hot at the valley in los angeles. I couldn't believe it like he was feeling feeling himself man. He he is feeling himself. This hard core really so. Let's go back to the important moment the very end of the show which was stupid. They save it for the end. They had to when when hannah tyler out the from the moment i saw it. I was just like he doesn't seem that that into it felt the same way and i thought his body language was poor yeah yeah i thought it was pretty clear that he was just trying to be a good guy. Yes embarrassed this woman on t._v. Chris harris and god bless. 'em was pushing it so hard. I know no. He was like just to be clear. You are going to date. It's like the season was a success right. Yeah sure really really tough especially compared dared to her her chemistry with peter the night before they like touched each other right made it sex jokes sex jokes. His parents were crying. There was no so representatives from tyler's family there. You know what i mean like. I know that i know that the libraries are local so easy but still i mean i thought she said why. Aren't you asking peter out. This seems like like the one you should be good for exactly. I didn't understand yeah side note to that peter. Certainly i think so too. He started following the two kept in their names are like sammy and julie <hes> or samantha and julie and he started falling kind of like the two bachelor handlers seeing. That's a pretty charlesdale sign. You can't follow me on instagram anymore. No this this remains n._b._a. Stuff kyrie irving followed the celtics. Yes so oh okay so tyler and hannah. They have that date he stays in l._a. Couple of extra days apparently she's living in sherman oaks and he is photographed leaving her home home in sherman oaks. What did you think of the photos when you first saw them. I thought they were hilarious. And what's that well. He had his compression shorts. Look going on wearing all black exercise clothes. I believe new balance shorts and maybe it was assured can't remember case case in hand. The didn't look very full. No it was slagging a little worse assuming you're wearing on the carpet bag yeah and he was obviously looking for uber. The main thing we've learned about tyler in the last month is what it looks like. He's looking for a new best and every paparazzi photo. He's about to get into a holding his phone. Yeah i <hes> i thought it was. I thought it was a very funny like night. After slash walk of shame style totally style photos she looked really nervous and like there was no touching and there was a lot of photos and if you are <hes> have a good morning after good like you know this morning. There's a kiss goodbye. There's gonna be photos of some sort of embrace if you're interested in each other some kind of touching to indicate like you hope it happens again like a shoulder and arm like something but there's there's a new vibe between them at all. It was just leaving her apartment. Yeah i thought i mean throughout this whole thing where jed gets dumped and then everyone's like well. What about tyler siler i'd. I just thought it's been fairly clear that that ship has sailed yeah. I agree. I thought all parties were privy to that. I know i thought so too and also she obviously sleep is now was never that into him. You know right. She didn't pick him yeah. Could've i just don't understand and so then. I was looking at these pictures again. I was like where they staking staking out had his apartment or did someone call them. It's fully possible. I think someone had to have called. I think it was august. I by the way so there was like moving trucks behind the 'cause like i'm a movement right yeah yeah <hes> but yeah i was thinking. I think someone probably called them that. That theory makes the most sense as tau. Everything else has played out yeah. Because then i feel like it was team have called yeah i would say so at that moment she was in i. I don't think tyler no team tyler tyler. I do not think i would have done that but anyway he leaves. That's a friday morning. <hes> i think if i recall correctly if my insane bachelor mind recalls correctly and then two days later on sunday someone snapchat a picture yeah of tyler and g g checking into dumbo house here in brooklyn and then stands that screen shot or whatever or it may be a snapchat chatted to the morning post which was like reality t._v. Fan account. They have a podcast. I don't know if you're familiar with at growth know job any brabham liberties tweet about her her instagram <unk> she was she also attended <hes> jackson. Brittany's were a wedding and kentucky so they're like deepen the world's base and then from there and took off and of course weeks beforehand the morning post also posted the instagram it kind of broke the news tyler gee-gee following this other and ever since then. There's been kind of a counter on how many dates they've had like our saw this week now. They've been photographed together and like george yeah that they have been on five dates on the weekend away together. Why are people assuming that that was his first date with g. g. yeah. I guess it didn't necessarily need to be because it was like a full week. Maybe like almost two weeks after they started following shoulder yeah yeah so definitely things could have happened before then. Perhaps they met before following each other. It's it's totally possible totally possible right like there's no reason the thing that was actually the first time they met no. They could be even deeper like like. Are you happy for tyler. How do you feel for him. I'm thrilled for tyler. You know i'm i'm so happy for him. I feel that he's getting what he deserves someone dating someone else that high and he just see i honestly like i legitimately think and he's a really nice nice guy like you see. He's a modeling for macworld. Apparently those pictures are taken before the show okay. I'm a fan of mac welton. I mean many any podcast people are it's good quality. That's great. That's really great. I think tyler is a great guy. He knew that i was in the city city and so he can he like checked in a couple of times after i met like hey what's up. He's a really really nice guy in that. I will say i obviously am trying to get him to come on this podcast. I donald desperately want him to and he said he would do it but then him and g g and he's literally discuss things to do now. He's breathing different air. Thank now that he's dating deejay. Did he's moving to a different route. He's not on the neck or an level. He's out on the cold air level. This is like he's in the daily mail regularly. This is also another reason why it's definitely pete because the second that you start dating g._d. Indeed you like you don't back from that graduate beyond being the bachelor. Can you rushing g g._e._d. And mary's like some guy from florida coupon i mean they both have reality t._v. Passes she can't even judge him for it. I am wondering <hes> are are extremely hot. Guys now going to apply for the bachelor at a higher clip because of this door. That's been opened the here maybe but here's the thing about tyler and i learned this firsthand. He's honestly genuine. He's a nice dues. I could see why hannah was scared to like be into him. 'cause you're just like how is this real. Someone like nice and thoughtful so hot like yours like. Shouldn't you be astle. You're so hot or shouldn't you care a little bit less. I do you think he has an instinctual slickness and smooth vessel women that he knows what to say yes. He always knows what to say like not embarrassing her on t._v. But that's like so much part of his charm arm so i just don't think i don't think tyler is replicable. This is not a model of apps are can build on. It's like catching lightning in a bottle and for that reason. Melanie kind talked with us a few months ago like he could never been the bachelor. He's like two exceptions to get to good and he just wanted to learn it. He he deserves. He deserves something like this. Does lobby wish she would come on this podcast but i'm so happy for him. He also like you know. I think he's genuine with a._b._c. Food tours thing and yeah he still just like hanging out with his buddy matt a lot of time when he's not with g. g. for his instagram went to frames they went to frame. I don't know if matlin but met but taylor moton g. g. yeah just down guy. Who do you think is is. Do you think is orchestrating pictures for people because she knows how to not be. She's not she's got. They're being photographed a lot a lot like so much. They're getting a lot of paparazzi looks. These days partially stage partially real because i i don't think they wanted to be photographed in george and now that one was no face but as there yeah that one was was more like they got caught. How about tyler carrying that huge box of wine. This is my idea of great summer weekend. Just going to lake georgian picking up a bunch of wine. It looks like the perfect so awesome serving weekend in the northeast one thing hannah after the photos the first one came out. She made a point of telling. I think e maybe entertainment tonight. Our good friend lawrence emas outlet <hes> that she and tyler didn't have sex that night that he stayed over interesting and i think it's because you didn't. I think that's like doing him. A favor honestly sleep is it makes him look like a total gross sky. It's got no blake yeah. It's no it's no blake situation but like this to really ever hooked up other than making out. I i guess not yet. It's possible that they have now if any of our business but it's just weird that for like on the bachelor relationships know more about them not having uh-huh having had been very like outlined what they're doing he. I don't know the the whole thing is just so overwhelming and then like there's also i'll stop talking it. Read it soon. I promise by i'm really telling you it's been a huge part of my summer. So lock on tyler fathers is back in hospital apparently and wished the cameron family absolute absolute best and hope that he recovers and everything apparently a group of writers sent his father flowers to the hospital. His mother like shouted them <music> out on thank him like the tyler phantom really out of control. It's <hes> so so vibrant so passionate. I feel like when i go to parties and you talk to someone who seen the bachelor like tyler is gonna come up. They just want to talk about tyler at this point as as you're saying he's at two point one million. I know oh that's kind of insane yeah and he. I think he's gotten at least a million of those in the last six weeks last four weeks. Whatever it is so yeah he has. He has his own his own fandom. He started doing ads on on instagram last week these drop which is an app that we've actually had on this past the best mild just i'm just so happy for him and i also think it's an important access turn in that usually every bachelor celebrities in l._a. Tyler being in new orcas real change he he went to <hes> i live in in park slope and he went to like the best bagel place in park slope two blocks away from my partner faw. I was so offset that i didn't happen to be there but he's just like being new york guy he. He just loves cookies. Go sullivan bake cookies also like i just feel so taunted by the fact that he lives on the upper west side and this is my neighborhood. I'm also nora ephron obsessive person like tyler like how can this be. Also the upper west site is really not tyler doesn't fit him last week he instagram. He's looking for apartments like send recommendations and it's like dude literally anywhere but the more sense for you meat-packing lower east side. He's got to go below. Fourteen strategies destined for pretty amazing and i. I just love it. I i love it too. I'm just really happy for him. I don't know like i just wish him the best. I wonder what this is like. Career looks like from here though like where do you go from amassing millions of followers really quickly dating one of the tops ronalds of the world at the age twenty six when when it's not like you're trying to be a doctor. It's not like next. Stop full scott scott bank that modeling money. I guess i think we need. He also should probably have like a h._d._t._v. Show get them on their yeah jordan coaching gallery. He's a contractor yeah. My parents are looking to do renovation and their apartment. I was wondering wiler contractor consultant for a second. I don't think he has all the proper licenses licenses and permits for the state of new york. We're he can get them. Whatever religion help g._e._d. Help him out and then send them back to us tyler. We i wish you well. I don't think we've forgotten anything about from bachelor nation this summer anything stick out if not we can move onto bachelor this is that was pretty much it. I mean that's a lot that's yeah. I'm sure there's some street things happening but it's been advisory summer. <hes> let's get into bachelor in paradise right after this break <music>. You want something real. There's no reason to compromise and when that something is a cocktail there's new k. plans sparkling cocktails. 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He would now be out for good like that was a crazy body slam that was like he couldn't really hurt christian i think he did. I mean christians wearing a sling yeah it was it was just like an escalation. Only jordan knew was happening. I don't like over a pinata so stupid so dumb but like he he just went there immediately and was just like all. I'm gonna take this physical now and like threw him off a platform kind of yeah. It was dangerous. Jordan is like obviously not all a bit like he's he's just like often like he's my beach him in demi co norwich essentially but jordan. I don't think should be allowed back like that's really bad. No <hes> yeah can't stand analysts. What's contributing anyway. That's the thing like he came in and i was really upset that he wasn't talking linked directly about the stuff sam. I really wanted him like he was like. You know like i got. I got dumped on on <hes> the finale night as well. Everyone knows what actually happened and it was like pretty brutal and extremely dramatic like can we just actually talk about it right so like he's just kinda there to get his catchphrases off and like be a pest. I was never a fan now. Continue snappy one but even worse than jordan is nicole. I cannot stand her. What's your feeling on her yeah. I i mean so before the fight thing <hes> when christian was kind of like asserting his his his will in that triangle between nicole him and clay she kind of like went up to claim was like hey. You need to fight for this. I know she and then she takes back afterwards and she's like yeah. I can't believe i almost put you in danger but that it was just crazy like she was relishing being the it grow which is like okay cool all wheel. Everyone's like oh my god so many boys like me which like okay sure. Many people have experienced that but she's like took it way too far by like agonies isolate isolate the aggressive over her yes. She kinda created the whole situation and then like act like oh my god what's happening with this happen. Well you did this. It didn't make any sense and she she just like why was she crying. Tastes ended up saying. I'm so glad you're safe low. She ever endanger go. They weren't going to go after her and she did kind of this now to put any blame on her but like as you said she was like telling like shooting clay fight for me in so many words. She was like fight for for this like like she she did say like directly. It'd be more aggressive yeah and that led to klay kinda like outsourcing the aggression but like very kind of worked out clay though what i do understand is why klay still interested like after he he went right back to it. He's like are great and she was like i always knew it would be. You know you did not it was going to be christian. Yeah i mean i thought he's doing pretty well there. Yeah i did too. I was impressed arrest he is he evaded so many security guards. I know needed like eight guys to take them now. He seemed like a professional soccer player. I think he is yeah yeah. He's he's the guy hi that he is. Yeah i enjoy. I was kind of enjoying his his energy. I know i i think as he obviously fought back but he wasn't the aggressor so he doesn't allow him back. I think thank you was that he was just being like hey don't do this. This is my time yeah and then he got body slammed yeah. It was not his fault. I understand his anger following knowing that the body slam but i cannot stand nicole the way that she talks about these dudes and herself and like i came here to find love and i know you have to say that but she was just being completed. It strikes me as someone who's like gotten all our cues from rom. Coms thinks like not even good ones like she probably use like halloween. Guy founded and that's like a second me sure let leanna get harry met that sally nonviolent film exactly she's. She didn't know what she was talking about but it's i don't understand her. I don't she had three guys going after her but the the most inexplicable thing that has happened on this show is that dylan dylan one point the dylan. Hannah blake triangle remained into hannah. Yeah we saw her tonight though she ends up picking dylan making out with blake dealings at every night in front of dylan's bass. It's like fuck. She also like every time it happens. She's like gasoline bleak like kissed me and no but you're a part of this. I don't understand why she was giving blakich shot even after giving dillashaw like i. I don't understand being being torn as much as she was. Maybe i've never been in her position. They can't imagine it but i did like her. Sydney turned on her and she was like she's a puppet master. Sydney keeps it real a lot of love awesome. Could we got sydney's great have on the show her read on things. I find that i agree with her with most of her takes she just normal looks normal like she has a normal size so obviously she's thin which is like a normal sized person doesn't okay. She either starved herself or like worked out too much matt. I love sydney's my big winner paradiso far yeah. I think she's great. She probably won't find love who she gives a rose to tonight. Mike oh yeah to make which is like just like a friend dan. Thanks like we're both sydney's not spending a lot of time talking to guys now. She is like she was like serena land because she's to normal normal. I mean dylan. Let's talk with dylan more. Don't stuff is he smooth. No tyler was really talking about dylan. Tyler like dylan so funny and smart and i've heard a lot of people have said this about dylan. Apparently i know it doesn't come through on t._v. Do you know where dylan went to college. No williams really yes. What are the most most exclusive elite higher education institutions in our fair nation dylan went. There also started an app. That seems like it's like doing okay. His cousin dylan were burberry on the bachelorette. I think there's a lot to dylan but for some reason all we're getting is this loser. Who's a chef girl aw he's just like he's very clingy about it. It's very like weirdly attached. Let really let himself get walked on and it's just a really tough look for him but like how can you still be like i'm here. I just want you to hear for you. I want everything after this. When you see what she's she's doing with blake he. I wish he'd like i even been like hey sydney like here's some margaritas or something like those weird little shows of affection that they do in bachelor bachelor in paradise to like any girl anyone else. It's just been like maybe i'm not into you hannah but he hasn't done that at all. Dylan's hype woman was basically damning. I feel like yeah demi- saying dylan was great like why would we have any reason to believe it exactly yeah i mean he hasn't really shown much and i thought i'm coming off as a big blake apologist and i just just like the guy so i feel bad for him but like him. They're like confrontation last week. I think i felt so awkward. I was like hiding in my sweatshirt watching chang just like holy shit. This is awful. I feel so uncomfortable. I can't deal with this. That's sort of just standing around until one person. Also blake is tall but like not like a giant. He's making so short there author but he's just like. I don't understand i don't i don't know we're missing like what we now are like firmly and dylan and hannah are together and like how do we go so quickly from her making out blake to now dylan and hannah forever yeah i don't i i think he's just so available that like she was like all right well. I guess i can like chalk that one up and then see what else is going on. I just don't get it and into my point earlier. Now that like dylan has declared. I'm only here for you and she seemingly committed to him. Why are they still on the show right. I mean get rid of it would be great if if there was more here i think i know like maybe like dylan. Paul the fast one or something. I'm here for decide. I'm here for like dylan dylan showing any signs of willpower go after caitlin to make the new girl to make blake and hannam add just see what happens you know oh god i can't stand it and then lastly the biggest triangle in probably the most important thing to happen in terms of the bachelor evolving as a show other than t._m._z. being all in on john batchelor. <hes> celebrities is demi. Tells derek dating. She's also dating woman named christian and iverson a couple of things. I want and ask you about this okay. I we kind of covered. She's being <hes> compared to do. You think that's fair. No for a few reasons one one. It's bachelor in paradise not the bachelorette so like i think the rules of engagement are a little different and the little looser <hes> to she's straight up told the guy i that she was seeing someone else. Yes which was the biggest thing is a jet as a crazy liar show in my about it. She's being honest about it so ridiculous and then somebody thought was pretty cool. Is you know they're acknowledging that it's difficult i think to be queer and to kind of demi has kind of alluded to a struggle embracing that she's attracted to both men and women had asked her. How does it go with her. Parents and everything take a second but i think it's pretty cool that they're just kind of moving on from that that it's actually being treated like a love triangle like any other and the show full on agree and it's cool that it's not like oh my god. We have someone who's bisexual on the show. It's more like oh. We have in trying to actually really dope yeah yeah. Everyone has kind of been like shout out there for just being like okay. Keep me posted on feel saying. I know maybe like derek to. I'm not sure what i expected out of him but i didn't expect yeah. They have really they haven't put a lot of like don't don't done drama onto which is great and i also think danny's amis b- been established through her appearing in the beginning of how season and everything john colton season as being like an gator man just sort of like a big personality into the fact that like like she's getting a lot of attention from from production from the other guys kind of tracks with everything we know about her already and it's not like some random. It's not like christian coming in and then came all sitting guy. It's someone who has a personality and like viewers are acquainted with so. It's like just like adding dimension to someone one who is already like more more vibrant and dynamic than most of the people on the show. It's pretty cool like i i admire. It is actually pretty subtle. Big step forward it is it is there is just a good thing to see. It's like twenty nineteen. It really is a big deal. I'm glad they're not treating it like it is do did we need for the proper treatment. Though i absolutely not comes in for like literally no reason she she just shows up and then she's like our she pulls dami and then they have the conversation and she's like well. I guess you should say something to derrick and chris harrison about it. She contributed nothing. Take a reversion for and then she kind of just disappeared. She's there wasn't even a send off but there's like a bite of dean being like why if it wasn't a big deal hand it wouldn't be here until the dean. Did you get a bonus for that or something or an extra drinks and extra free time. I thought that was pretty bizarre. It was funny. It was just it was like. I don't know why we needed hanna. I guess they just want to have her on by the way us weekly meant <hes> broke today that she's gonna be dancing star so there's trying to keep her relevance sagacity. She's on the first episode to. I learned about christian from demi telling hannah and that sit down <hes>. I don't know there's just no no reason and then there's a follow up. Why does she ask for chris. Harrison to come yeah is that we don't have the answer yet will find out on the next episode tuesday nights. You just need a clue him in whenever yeah it's just like any time something happens her. Some somebody called chris moment. We saw different a lot of different states of chris harrison steps odi debut saw like just pre no jacket ceremony chris harrison than we saw like day off chris absolutely love it. We've gotten a lot of him lately. Speaking of things we saw we weren't expecting we saw the paradise lifeguard which was total revelation fight skirmish. The lifeguard ran over to <hes> <hes> to like break it up and i guess whenever someone's in the pool they probably have to have a life jacket. He was wearing a shirt that said playa escondida so i think here's an employee of the hotel and it was just like so exciting to see him. I was like damn and he really hung around when they told christian he had lifeguard was still there air love to talk to. This guy probably got so many stories. I don't understand why wells wasn't involved in that by the way well yeah. Well stick took a back seat. Probably is off the clock. I yeah i i love to know. Actually i just out now. There are a couple of surprises. This week was the first person to as you can to comfort nicole they were enemies. Everyone seems to like patch things up on paradise. Every ceylan show beat with her. Even though she was like really they disliked and everyone just enjoy themselves even dylan now that he's got his gal timberlake is like sure. I'll i'll come out caitlyn. Why not <hes>. I don't know at this point of every day i season. I kind of feel over ready to our. I'd say at the beginning i am somewhat frustrated a little bit because like the good thing about paradise did i says that you see all these people that you really enjoyed and then sort of the native side is that there's always like a clump of people that you really disliked yeah. <hes> i would say like cam you know just like too much cam way too much cam but like around this point those people because i like you know to be harsh. No one ever really likes them that much. They ended up going home but then you also transitioned into this like full-on couples thing thing and it's like everyone just in couples. It's like you kinda ready to move now. Just like okay you guys a couple of st <hes> i think paradise instead of being you know it's like i think it's six six weeks. It should be three or four. Let's cut it but i guess a._b._c.'s the filler until monday night football. Basically that's kind of what we're getting to a here monday night football. It's just like have six weeks of stagecoach. Oh my god andrew all the country music in the world well. There's just been so so much bachelor it is. I don't even know how to move forward also waiting for the next tyler g._d. Tyler i'm still next tyler. If you're listening what you're not. I'm so happy free l. ashley and jarrod happy for you to please stop with the sponsored content again this week to talk about the tuesday soda bachelor in paradise and who knows what other news will drop and what other tweets chad. We'll send thank you so much for listening and andrew. Thank you. Thank you <music> <music> <music>.

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Episode 6: Rachel Lindsay

The Viall Files

1:51:23 hr | 2 years ago

Episode 6: Rachel Lindsay

"The. What's up everybody? Just a quick reminder excited. We are finally doing our first live podcast this month, March thirty first at nine pm, the west side comedy theater in Los Angeles. So if you're around grab some friends it's going to be a lot of fun. Ashley, I infamous wonderful ash will be my special guest host she'll probably drag Jerry long and best friends. But either way it's going to be a lot of fun interactive space is very limited. It's a small intimate of. So get your tickets while you can go to west side comedy dot com to get your tickets. Hopefully, we'll see you there. Did it again? I always thought what's everybody? I trying to say, hey, guys. Hey, guys coming out. Your heart. I'm very excited about today's episode on lamb holding. I'm very excited about today's episode. I have my ex girlfriend. Also. But I say that jokingly ration- I have talked about that. And I just wanna get right into that. It's funny because Rachel obviously was on my season became the bachelorette very sick. And that's not why she's here. But if people like like in batch nation people like to think of us as X's and things like that. And we have discussed like the people I've had relationships with. I'm bachelor nation Vanessa's. The only one I've considered an axe in terms of have a relationship with. And it's always kind of funny in terms of like, oh, like we had an intense experience together and get to know each other. But like, I don't like those are all your exes from your season. I barely know her name. Like, I don't I've had conversations. I have no idea how they are in a relationship. So. Did you feel that way? Like you one hundred percent because I don't think it counts until you're just with one person. Right. Like when you're sharing with multiple women or men in my situation, it doesn't count right? Like, I always hated when they were like your boyfriend's out on another day. I'm like he's on my man yet. Because if he was my man, I wouldn't be sharing him with these other women feel your. Yeah. I is Andy the bachelorette is that who are dating here. Like, I was there for like two days. Like, oh, she's at our. Another day. I mean, maybe Jen from paradise got to know her like outside of the show, we didn't date outside the show, but you know, like we had real conversations, and I guess Caitlyn before but like very like the women from my season other than Vanessa. I didn't have real moments with you know, I mean, I don't have real moments with with raven and Rachel in the confines of like that crazy staged atmosphere. Yeah. But like it wasn't like real relations. Come from like, you know, what's your favorite color like we don't buy into it though. It doesn't feel like a polygamist experience. Now. I can't explain it enough. It does not feel like polygamy. My favorite jumping into the episodes of my favorite line. When when like. He does the during the blog stuff the flogging in the morning. Each of us out and cons like well. You know, had my one on one date was so and so broke up with the lease. So like like this is another day, and it was, but that's the show. Flocking. Just just sign known. I despise it. Maybe it is the person who's logging is not doing a good job at it. It's awful. It's awful shown stay current. It's Kohl's idea. It's it's it doesn't come across his flogging to me snuck into the. No. But back to what you guys we're talking about. If you buy into the experience that your dating multiple people at once if it girls are buying into like, oh my God. Next my boyfriend, and you're stealing Nick from me. Then it's a polygamous experience. That's what it is. Sure. But like listen to producers, and producer migration pursers are are trying to create this tension. And so they'll ask questions like Hager boyfriend your girlfriends on another day because you know, kind of fuck with you. But like most people in that in that environment. When even though they get sucked in they're still like, they're not like oblivious to reality. They're like, okay, fine. Yes, I've kneeling some people. Do get sucked in some people. Sure, I would say more than half. It's probably have. But I also would argue that half of the the half that do get sucked in or sometimes they're doing because they think they have to or they should try to make the experience their own. And I would argue that the people who develop legitimate connections with the lead are the usually the people who stay the. Most sane at least early on. I will a hundred percent agree with that that actually makes me think of something because as I'm watching Colton season. And I I look at it this way, you guys, and maybe you can backing up when you say guys referring to men men. Are painfully obvious as to who you like from the beginning. And I don't mean like who you have the strongest connections with. I mean, like we always knew who you were going to pick. I remember this. I remember we knew it. And I would tell producers as I would say out even though I'm here because we know what he's going to do. I'd say it all the time. And so I have as I'm watching Colton, and I feel like the girl gonna castle. I don't know. I mean, I I don't ask I have. It's the first time in a while. I don't know spoiler. So I'm spoiler free. I assume cast from the way I'm watching it Massey. Even the other girls are starting to say it also love how I don't want finishes thought about bachelor. I stay on track. Meet your the one grasping. I don't to some point Sam structure shower to stay on it. Like, I love how when they went camping. Definitely the difference between have in the virgin bachelor Nikki's actual bashers had sex before and like colon and cool. Nicknaming himself the sexual was kind of the promiscuous because people knew I had sex with Kate. And therefore it was like, and then they brought in Liz did you fuck out a wedding like. And and so it's funny because like as the sexual bachelor clone goes camping, and they ended the date nothing. If that were my season, it'd be like producers have been so we'll night ladies just a heads up. Knicks literally twelve feet away. So I don't know if you have you wanted to I would recommend it. But like it's there. It's right there. There's like a light on maybe just. Cassie like, she they don't abet together. And like no one saying shit like no one cared. And it's just like, oh, well, he's a version. So if that were me it'd been like he did it again. Like, which is why I think Colin's the Basser because it's that new narrative that we can all talk about that. You've never been able to talk about four and you'll never be able to talk about it again. I mean, like, there's they're not going to have another vast virgin. But I was gonna say is back to the men. Always we know who they wanna pick. I feel like what you were saying there are girls that I know they're not going to be the one. So then they play into the narrative they get sucked in because they're thinking paradise. They're thinking rat or they're thinking, I'm going to become a social media star. And I think you can point that out in see that. 'cause we know were not going to be the ones that are picked. So this brings up a lot of things that I thought it'd be interesting talk about also I thought this episode brought up a lot of discussions about like she said she said, he's the whole like who's telling the truth dynamic. I thought it'd be interesting conversation conversation habit. You being the lawyer obviously lying in telling the. Truth is a thing that has people we deal with in all relationships, not just dating, and then we're kind of like in as a lawyer, obviously, I mean, that's like that's who's telling the truth, and you gotta prove in a court of law. So I thought maybe that just be an interesting conversation to talk about lying in. How you're good at it. I'm curious what I get. Freudian slip. No, she's not. I know Rachel be very honest and forthright person. But how do you how do you? Yeah. Right. I mean, it's just like I'm not a liar because I probably offended you some that. I do that all the time. Like if I if I if I wanted to lie would not have set that clearly you're upset with me right now. So yeah, I mean, I wanted Rachel on got obviously, you know, batch nation loves her. And I think it's an interesting amick having her having conversations, but as I had with previous episodes, you are a very successful career person woman who's done a lot of interesting things you are lawyer. You also are on ESPN, which is cool. And I I always respect Rachel because throughout the season. I did have some private time of the rich on Astra questions. Like, what do you want to do? And she told me her dream was to be any SPN. And now she's doing it. I think it's very cool when people set goals and meet those goals, so but back to lying like how you've dealt with it like is that something it was a natively you're gonna picking out or and how have you gotten better at picking people's bullshit. As a result of you being a lawyer. I am like what do you say? You can't bullshit Ables. Shit or not that I am. But I just feel like you. I I always has say that I was really good at reading people on the show. Like, I feel like that really helped me like sift through bullshit. Like, no, no, no, no. You're not even all the way down to the very end. Because of what I do for a career. I'm used to interviewing taking depositions being in court trial. Whatever where I have to interview witnesses, and I have to sift through the lies in what's the truth? So yeah, I mean, you have to have that to be the lead. What's your best way of a how do you handle feel like you're being lied to? And how do you approach that both in your personal life and in your professional run? Well, I don't think it's a secret. I'm quite confrontational. You don't so. Yeah. So so the way I have pro Chit is straight on if I feel like you're lying to me unless I'm trying to maybe catch you in more of li-, like if maybe if I'm thinking of it from manipulative way, and that I go. Around about way. But for the most part if you're lying on a call. I'm gonna call you out on it. Right. It in there tell you know, you're lying on social media because I'm curious what I wanted to ask you about clouding back at calmed down. You have. I mean, I guess, but you are. You're the interesting. I'm curious about clouding back. It happens a lot. And it's something you seal out there when you see people clad back a lot of people that clapback clapback, Wayne, I wouldn't contest. And the thing about the internet, though, is it can really mess with your perspective. I would argue that in general when it comes to the internet. The almost one hundred percent of the times, the best appropriate response to the internet is no response, neck, Nick, Nick, Nick, I to you out. But on you, just clap back at raven. Well, I didn't clapback responded. Yeah. You didn't. He didn't clapback you respond. If you're last response is no I would argue that raven clapped back at me. I mean, you can finish your line of thought. But you just did this. So what I think it was clapping back. I I again, like when someone calls you on the on the internet and someone says something or tweet something at you. And you respond defending yourself, even if it's right? I find that the it's like it usually don't get the response that you want illest funny seem like you were writing back like you're writing like the manager of nervous. Risk trying to be careful what you're right on. Even to that point. Like, I don't know. We'll actually raven did reach out. We had a nice conversation. But like, I would argue that in that's that was an interesting point, raven as Rachel opinion about it. But would for those who've you don't know thing in the second episode. I made a comments on it. You said it, and I was answering question about the bachelor. And I said I said a passing comment, I think raven and Rachel had a gut feeling that was probably gonna pick Vanessa entre percent, right. And I was listening. Having just finished. And then ask what you go on and my end, and all I said was and I back that point by saying and raven even tried to convince me not to pick Vanessa. That's all I said like I didn't put any context around it. And I post it as a preview for the podcast now raven. Here's that sees that and writes this whole like I said this in like clapback about that comment, and she goes, well, I never said that I did say that I didn't think you invest with last six months, I'm reading and thinking wait a second time out, even if that was all you said, you're you're in this environment of like it's down to three we're lying in a private time. And you're telling me one of the other women that you think I might pick. I could pick that won't last the guy who's like is will ever find love four times of charm. Really emphasize. Sizing that and it's this like tilapia fine. And again, so even if it was all ravens sad that would be. I would be right. But here's the thing raven writes back, and it's like now we're talking about she comes back, and I'm like, and I wrote I don't feel like I don't appreciate like you suggest an I'm lying now. I know I'm not lying. It was just like the thing about that situation. Where like? What about raven is that she was always like for someone like, I really respected ravens point of view, raven from what I got to know raven of someone who was very aware, and she was very insightful. And she when when raven I remember vividly talking about lying because when Raymond was describing why she didn't think we're last I was ghost white because I was thinking here's like, I've I'm not sleeping with Rachel. And Ray then like, I I want to wanna make this work. I wanted this relationship where I'm just I'm only going to do this and just like. I don't know if that's the move, buddy. You know? It didn't come across like raven talking shit. It was more like a very pragmatic like this is what I think. And this is why which I really appreciate. Because when I say something strong. Yeah. I'm I can back it up with like points and doing that. I was just like fuck is she telling the truth or she concerned. But so like this all can't. But my point is like now, I'm sitting here time the story raving claps back on the internet. And all she's worried about is like her me implying that she was talking shit about NASA. And I never tell the story of raven doesn't write me and ravens great. But like, I think so I talked to raven since this since this happened and raven was more from you used the sound clip that made her feel like a certain way or look a certain way, whether it's truth truth or alive. Right. But we all we all know about her which her response made. It seem like yeah. There's truth into the way. She responded, whatever whatever she said. So yes, she was more annoyed. They use that. And then that's why she felt the need to respond because people were in her DM's or riding her saying, this is what they said. I thought Rachel was the only one who hated Vanessa. That's. It's funny of and she was like, no this like that was part of the show. I mean, that's why she felt the need which I don't think it was a classic. I think she responded, and then you responded it was a bit of a clock back. It's like shade clapback shade in that message like a. Yeah there because certainly that's how some of the people who read it was like you go girl. I go. You know, you tell them. What's classic is funny. It's shady it cuts like she was just trying to defend herself. And then you responded back. This is N. What did I say have raven come on? But it on raven has agreed to come on after she hears his podcast. I hope she still wants to come on. But like, yeah. That's the thing too. It's like Joe also defending did raven want like Noah was going to pick. I don't know. Well, I he was on the morning toast like lash sorry. I listened to like all the bachelor podcast. But she was like she said that you like led her not let her on. But that you gave her validation like off camera, and that you even talked about like a ring. So she did actually like in contrast to Rachel. She did think she was gonna get picked. I get told me she never thought she was going to get picked. Oh shit while I do though that podcast are not fans of me. What was it? What she nice to me on that podcast. I'm audie. I don't she didn't think you were attractive until everyone else acted like you're attractive. I don't know. That's she thought we offer you attractive? I'm not let me just keep it there. And she I mean, I'm just gonna keep it real. We all thought you are attractive. A lot of people thought you looked better in person. And taller, which is which is which. When you take that complement any day. Like, I'd rather look better in person than on TV. Like, I don't want you to be shocked and horrified if you see me in person, and and you and you do so that's I don't I don't know about that part. And no, we really did think that you were going to pick Vanessa. But it's you get sucked in right number one question. I get not even kidding is. Did you really like Nick people real people real? I it used to be out Koran. And now as I move on I've done even like away from my sort of everyone wanting now, if I liked you will I guess maybe you got it on the. All the time. Weird. It's like you said you think I'm that good of an actress I'm like when I was on the show. Yes. I like, Nick, I'm not gonna have this huge revelation. I'm not going to go back and say, oh now that I stepped into the real world. No, I never really liked them in. I did when I was on the show. I appreciate that. I feel like a lot of people don't do that. I feel like I mean, I don't know what like if raven felt that to or whatever. Because I always was I was got frustrated when I hear some other batch of people talk because it's interesting ending Kaelin perfect like whether it's been a private conversation or public interview. I have always had the exact same thing in that environment. I absolutely Doug them. I felt feelings of love it broke my heart when they broke up with me it sucked. I am glad they ended up making this that they did it worked out the way it should. But in that moment, I fucking Doug him. And my ego would prefer me to be like, Nah, I mean, it was like a TV show. Like when like when Caitlyn's Machi me with Sean. On interviews me. Like, I didn't really like. And I'm just like, I love you. So fuck it. I've never back down and other bachelor people, it seems like they will say it's like, yeah. I didn't really like him, and it's just like well because like their ego. I don't think about when you the moment that you step back into the real world and get your phone, and you turn on TV, and you're on the internet. You start to realize. Hey, maybe like it wasn't as what I thought it was. But when you were in the moment that is how you felt. And so like, I I've never said an interview like, oh, I really didn't like them that much. It's like well in the moment. Yes. He did. It was a really Israel. And you really do I tell people it's like there's one guy girl there. You're the girls on the show or the guys are your only friends, your producer, your parents that is your world that is created. And when you have a connection with someone however small or big, it may be it is real in that moment is there a male female element to this about wanting to save face. When you leave like you said earlier, you know, you're. Very direct person or your confrontational and not awesome. But also for those of us who aren't as confrontational really want people to like us, right? I would say in general, and this is always a realization right confrontational tends to be easier for men confrontation. Yes. It does. Right. I'm not this is no I will agree. Right. Generally, speaking. Right. I'm not confrontational because it sort of shakes meal little bit, right? So when you get off the show into class, you should teach a class. I yes, I will take it on I assign. But when you get off the show, and you see that like all these people don't like you may be right? And then the first responses to back pedal. Did you see that? Maybe the the females are doing a better job of standing up for themselves or the men are this person to person. Here's what I've noticed. Tell me in the in the show, and I actually funny. I said this to raven in the fence, he sweet I said, I was just like here. I'll tell you. What's going to have is like trying to talk you're off like I don't wanna hug we can't hook up. So what do you wanna know? I'll tell you everything. And so I was just like listen other than my top four every other girls already talking shit about the you know, like every season in Ben told me about this. You know, even Ben like, it's almost it's the earlier you go home you get in this group tax. And everyone's oh, he sucked. I didn't like him anyways. Blah, blah, blah, people are going to hate every bachelor that's ever happened. In happens. I have having been on the bachelorette twice and getting on the same group tax the conversations very different. Some guys are just like. Yeah. I don't know. I don't think he really liked me. We didn't really connect. But there's very there's almost no shit talking about the female leads a talked about me. Okay. How'd you hear about that? Because Brian tell me Ryan wasn't in the group chat. But like, they whoever he was close to it. I honestly don't even remember who told him. They talk about me. Like all the Brian was in on this Ryan wasn't in the chat. But like somebody ten like they were kinda like you don't wanna be in it because they're talking. Bad about us disappointed. Yeah. I'm here. So they. So they both do it. Yeah. Listen, it's also it's how the show is structured, right? Like, the what is funny too is. I don't know how you felt about this. And it's interesting because it happened in this episode Colton is as the bachelor bachelorette, you're put on this pedestal. And you're even though you try to have a level head, and you're blessed and grateful to be the lead. You're like the bachelor, and you're the bachelorette, and you're like, it's everyone's here to meet me. And I'm already it's already presumed that they are all wanna fall in love with me, whether they are acting. Thank God forbid, someone's like not really into them. You're like, really? But. You're more sensitive is the lead to Lega though, the only I don't want. I want to happen. Like somebody getting gauge and have no one break up with me before I break up with them. Right. Because there's this ego thing involved, but it's a double standard because everyone who gets sent home like is. But heard about the fact that like they like, especially if you go home early like this person likes twelve other people more than me twelve other people fuck them. They're not that great. You know, like. I didn't have the no one came to me and said, I don't even know if they did seize no one came to me and was like this person isn't really here for you. I never got that. And I never got that. And I think talking shit about someone else. Yeah. I mean, they they talk shit about each other. But nobody was like they're not really here. Probably would have been like, we'll tell them to go home. I mean, that's so gets fuck out go away. Go I realize now that some of the women tried to warn me about Vanessa. They never said her name. This is what you you would ask questions like, but I. And I'd be like, I don't let on talk about them. You know, like. You know, like shrinking. I was like wanna talk about. Let's talk about us racial, and I would have great conversations have conversation with early because you're going to drink, and she she wasn't the greater corn wasn't the only ones sleeping on my season. Every row ceremonious let that's what I thought was so funny that they use that narrative for Karan. I was like every I remember I really dug conversations go sleep. I haven't interrupted anybody. I'm not have already talked to Nick we had a great time. I'm gonna go crawl in the bed. Somebody come get me when the rose. There was one time that I had to pull you out of the bathroom. Yeah. Untold stories. I get Nick was defied like Rachel frying in the bathroom. Could you go go like helper out more? When I it was it was like, you see it having people on the show. And then it happened to me I had been drinking. I was so upset that day. And I'll tell you why. I don't even know if you know, all this is the Scott it wasn't. I have never told this story. So this is this is real. Yes. It was. It was kansin. We that horrible day that smell like poop the time. It was cold. It was and so we have seen Nick I had already been saying Nick was gonna pick Vanessa. Okay. And then we saw you and Vanessa have like a secret moment. I mean, I mean in fairness Vanessa the producers were like, hey, find neck, and whatever. So we had a secret we all saw it. So it was like I remember thinking like, why am I here? I tried to quit three times when I got really upset, and I was. Like, it's so obvious what he wants. And so and so I was like why are we even here? So then we all trank it was super coal. And then like they kept talking to me. I was like I don't wanna talk about it. We all know what Nick is going to do. And it kept talking to me. And I was just like I can't take the city more. And I was crying. And I was like, I don't even know why I'm here. What am I doing here? You know like it. And then they were like, okay producers gonna come talk to you. And I go you can come in and the door opens, its, Nick. And I was like, no. And I'm like sobbing to mic, and I was just like, I don't I can't do this. I don't wanna be here. It was. It was awful. It was. View most. You may also you knew that early on because I can't say that early on I debts. Absolutely could. I really was something else. I've never told no super close with astronauts, and I just wanna say that I use the term bitch loosely. I'm gonna preface that before I say, this is nothing. This is nothing personal anybody. I go I I shared a room with it. So she's getting she's getting her one on one day. And I remember in the room, and she has her book that she's going to take and show, you her speech pathology book, or is that what she is whatever was working with the students, and of she's working with the students, and she had pictures and all this stuff like this arts and craft book, an astronaut you're sitting there and we start flipping through it. And I go this bitch is gonna win. And I was like, let's just go. Let's go get a drink. We just like went downstairs, guess, we all you were very obviously bit. I think it's just a man thing. You know? I when I watch it back. I it was to me. It was obvious at ban was gonna pick pick Lauren. I will say it's interesting because I for all the like, you know, I had been on at four times when they asked me to be the bachelor, I was truly sick to my stomach moments after the masking me for lotteries, you know, it's just like. You know? It's just like, you know, like I was like, oh, why don't we cool. I was a head like paradise going great. And and I was just like I just wanted to work. You know, I wanted to actually meet someone and you get nervous like we're going to pick twenty five people. We think maybe like, but we're going to also like wanna have a great TV show. So like, you know, the pressure of getting engaged, and so I really wanted to work. So I was dead set on. I want us to work, and I had a dinner with Ben and Lauren prior to that in Larne gave she was like leaning end. She's like, listen, you're gonna like hopefully, you figure out who you like early on. And if you do protect that relationship, and she was basically in the nicest possible way, saying do not fuck anyone else if you know, you're gonna like just protect that person. And I really took that to heart being like, I hope I figure out who I like because I wanna like the whole goal is. I it's. It's funny. I I still have neck problems to this day since the morning we woke up in the fast sweet not because of anything that. I will. Yeah. Dressed out is fuck of just like, and as I slept on it weird. And I was so strong. I had a lot of going to the season. Like like, I had to lead people on. I try to be very careful with how I lead people on in the sense of especially you in raven even more particular raven because like every week is that much more serious compounding like the raven conflict that talk about the rings. I absolutely the night before just being like, you know, what ringwood you want. And that was absolutely a disingenuous question because I was worried that rib, but also in my mind, my hope was. I mean, I won't get into it. But there are things that happened in the fancy with raven Roz like she definitely knows what where I'm going here because otherwise she wouldn't be saying this, you know, she's like we did now. And so by points, I was really stressed about not leading leading her on our leading you guys on. But you have to write never felt like you led me on. I like knew we had a connection. I knew we were really cool. But I never felt like you led me on like matter of fact, when the rose ceremony that I got sent home. I remember I was doing my final before you sent me home. I was doing my final interview. And they were like, okay, go get ready for the rose ceremony. And I hugged the sound in the camera person. And I go it's been real fun. This is it for me tonight. I sent that. I mean, it's still a shock when you get sit home. But I remember I was like it's not me. I had a note. I gave it to raven. I knew I knew. What else in my hope was like that? I didn't know like how you women stood at the time of the reverse back. But if I was leading any of you on my hope would be that after you guys got sent home. It was okay that sucks but deep down I kind of knew right in a sense. Like because I'm with Andy, an Caitlyn there were specific things that happened in that were said that made it harder for me to get over it. It was like, well what the fuck, you know, like how how could you? And again like I have been the lead. So if you like, yeah, there's a lot of shit producers get blamed for and sometimes been plenty mad at producers, and they certainly produced. But also like when I was like, hey, just see does. No, we gotta figure out because I'm not having sex with all these women. Just you know. And there was no pushback. There wasn't like what we prefer to have sex with all of them. All yeah. None of that. There's no there's no debt the level manipulation. Does not go that far it just doesn't right? And so I was never forced to do anything. So I was I tried to do what I had to do later on once, and I try you really do is even though like looking back are prowling new. You're right. But like I had a real connection with you at a real connection with raven. I really like a lot of things about you guys. And there's a lot of attributes of both you have been like a really really would like this in my relationship. You know, I when I walked away. I think I was I was shocked actually I take that back. I do remember like I mean, it is really like your world comes crashing down when you sent home. It's truly as whether you're expect the at hugging people you because you know, it's happening. But then when it happens, it is devastating. There's no other way to describe it. And so I remember thinking I list that I was going to be second. That's what I think. What is what I was shocked. I was like I thought I was going to be second. But. No, no, no. I'm just saying that's like your mindset, but to in your defense. I never felt like you let we never had a ring conversation. We talked about the future like what we would do outside of the show, which has had a good time. We'll maybe maybe we wouldn't have. Up. Ask you question. I have great massage. That's good for everyone to know. I can I ask you about you. Brought it up the winning element of it. Like, I always feel like the men are there to win and the women are there to find love. I think that's an unfair statement. That's why I said, I think that I think that when men get sent home. I do think it is a pri- thing. I think that more so than the women with the women, I think their feelings are hurt more. I think with mitt pride. I know for me it wasn't. It wasn't talking about necessarily you. Or even the women that I talked to that that were sent home. Like, I don't think their feelings were hurt more. And when I think of the men that were sent home on my season. It was not not all of them. No, this is generally, I do think it was a pride thing. Like, oh, I'm better looking this person or I want it was like a competition. More like wanted. I wanted to win the prize. I feel like that's well, I don't know if the women objectify the bachelor, maybe as much as a maybe the men do. I don't know. But like, we don't it's it's I think competitive people I would contend that the competitive people in the environment it's competitive, and I've said this before. Specifically with Andy. 'cause with Caitlin. It was different. I had been in that row before I, sir. I came like I literally came for Caitlin with Andy. I don't I'm gonna do this thing. And all should I like her, and I had conversations myself every day of I know I like her. I absolutely no I like her, but how much of what I'm feeling has to do with this competitive element. And I honestly didn't know the answer. Because you just like, I know I'm competitive, I know I really like her. I don't I don't know. He just kind of go with it. So it was hard for me to tell the difference. Because I just knew I was competitive, it's a little different. I mean, I didn't. I know Josh was a real threat. I mean, I wasn't that naive. I knew Sean was a real threat. But I also knew that I was there was a real connection. So I just didn't know I think because I really not to say this because I just knew you were going to pick Vanessa I didn't have the competition element. It was more. Like, we get along. Well, I'm gonna get in there. I'm gonna do me. I'm gonna do my thing. And you know, if you likes me. Likes me, if otherwise my intuition was right. So I didn't really struggle with that. When I talked to Brian. He was like very much the way you described how you came in for Caitlyn. He was like, I'm here for you. I'm about you. I'm ignoring any outside noise. He was different. He even where he handled me throughout the season. He was different quickly. Any I wasn't allowed to watch your Susan. How quickly did you know, you were gonna pick? Brian. This is this is an interesting question. I really want to know your take I knew after the second day. I don't know if this happened for you. But everybody who got a second date. It was extremely telling to me of who. They were our first dates were amazing. Sure. But going into the second day, I knew I gave dean, Peter and Brian a second date. I knew exactly who they were after those days. And so after after I, and I've said this before I knew them. So well after Juneau's shocking me after our second date. I felt like we had we had a better. I was very nervous. My first date with you like extremely nervous. The second date. I was way more comfortable. But the second day, I was a little uncomfortable. Because that week Vanessa told you that I was bullying, her, whatever. And so I was like gosh. I don't wanna like it's happened. It happened to me, and that will have to come into this date and talk about and I could tell the producers, I don't wanna talk hours overnight overtime butting heads. And I didn't wanna talk to you about it. I was like I just wanna have. I only have a good time. And we really did it. I think we talk to cynicism. Be kept it moving. But you don't feel like after your second day. It's crazy. How fast that world moves? I felt like the more time. I got I knew who people were like their true colors were were told him. It was slightly different from me again. Like, I think looking back hindsight being twenty twenty. I had real real nerves about is is going to work for me. Am I gonna meet someone I connect with? Yeah. And when I met Vanessa when she got a limo was drawn to her mmediately. But I was like, I don't know. I don't know anything about her. I just there's a there's a natural chemistry there. And then on our first date. I mean, you go back. I got a motion on her first day in a lot of relief at my part of thinking. Okay, one date. But like there's a like there's something there. And I probably let got a little tunnel vision and on no other men and other men leads do that again. I talk to y'all do talked to bed. It was pretty much like the Lauren show. The whole time gal women don't do that. We don't. We don't go talk to other leads. We. I I was immediately drawn Bryant like the whole night. I was like, where's that dude? Who spoke Spanish to me tell him to come back. I kept saying that. But I was open to meeting people. I did not always think it was Brian. It wasn't until we had our second dates that I was like, I know for sure interested where you at all worried since you had such a strong connection with him on the show that once the show dropped off that the connection wasn't going to be there. Or were you super shore of it after you gonna get I was worried in Utah? This to the scariest moment is there when they're like seasons rat, and you're standing there. I answer. No one hundred percent. No way. It was like a Manasseh noticed it because I was like it's scary. Holy shit. For you. You put this ring on this finger you have this ring. They leave you alone us a ride in the car together for the first time Saint. Close the door. And you're just like, whoa. Whoa. Tell me about that. And so I mean, we'll just started having sat post. Tell me about that. It was that was the scariest moment, but then I remember how emotional Brian dot like talking about like our future like that same day. And then when once you're in this house and with the producers, and then like, we just we're playing music, and we just had we we he could wrap the same songs, and we just had like this five, and we just we just went into this natural rhythm of things. And I kept telling him my gosh, I felt it. But I knew I make the right decision. I knew like everything I I was no longer scared by the time we left Spain. And we separate it. I was like this is legit and same for Yuna Floyd different. I was honest. I talked about fantasy suites with him. He asked me, all these honest questions. He asked me who would he have trouble with watching the season back? I told him everything. And I and I got emotional because I was like I don't want you to leave me when you see certain things, and I think that honesty really helped us because when we left Spain, we had no there were no questions that we know issues. Oh, I won't get into it. It was slightly different approached the I tried to like, I was really proud. I will say this. I was not that I should like receive a medal for not having sex with multiple women. But I went in there thinking I want to make this work with this person. I'm gonna do everything I can to protect this relationship, and it made like fancy sweeps week very challenging and very stressful because I just didn't know where their heads Radha what they will like. And and I approached it like, hey, we're engaged. What do you want to know about me, by the way? This is what happened. This is what didn't have been in by the way like congrats with anyone else. Very well. And then I think I told too much about like, it's like I want you to know this is who I am like if we're ver engaged, right? I know we have a long way to go. But here we go. Tell you everything about. Accepted. I was I do not go man that I all my season would have been able to accept the things that I was saying other than Brian. And I remember producer told me that they were like Brian's at different kind of guy, and he was holding also. So he could accept things that I was saying. Age. Right. Made it easier for me, I will say that. And it's an but in your defense. I don't understand how anybody can go on the show and not accept you know, that this person stating the people, you know, the possibilities. You know that they don't know what it's like to be the lead. But they know the struggle in the back and forth in because you have it even if you're a contestant so to hold you to a certain standard before I even knew I was going to put a ring on your finger to me is unfair. Was there every time you clap back, and you're like, you know, what could've done without that. Probably maybe ever never never because I like like every clapback I've had I like it became a thing. They were calling me like clapback Queen of 'cause I guess people hadn't done it before and Bibiana clapping backup. Ooh, turk. Peter. Did you see that? Yes. I did see that I hit because here's the thing. I get tagged into anything for my season. You know, how it goes? It's like I love Ryan. No, I don't regret not picking her. Like, can we just let it go? All I have to say about that. I mean, I love I don't know. Peter. I don't know why deigned got involved because I think dean's been informed about some things, and he's a little sensitive about like things have gone on. Why? Sevinc because it's not my big. I've been informed about things about that situation. And that but here. I believe her too. But what what's believe Peter came over spent a week with her probably hooked up because he spent a whole weekend, and he left unceremoniously like she she's got a boyfriend now. What would I think was the biggest thing what's the point of bringing it up? I don't actually I like my man would be upset if I was like shit. Yeah. Like put like talking about something that happened before. Like if you have a man move on. I'm not bending, Peter. But it sounds like he did some sort of interview with some sort of like gossip magazine, and they're like, oh, we saw you guys at a basketball game. Are you dating? He was like we're not dating at didn't sound like they were ever had a what her thing was is that he downplayed their entire thing. He was like, oh, we'll I met her through some charity event. And you know, like I was like, hey or something like that. Like, oh, I met her, and that's not. That's not true. Like, y'all go way back more than that. So I think that was like her thing, but I don't like a guy versus girl conversation. Nobody was sending if dean. Had gotten involved in on. This is like don't don't get involved was the here's the question, Mike sides. Do you think if when when women are supporting other women for the gossip were all talking about do you think that's fine? I don't think any I don't think Bibiana should've said anything. No. I what I'm saying. Really, what was said it was so trivial that anybody just anybody saying anything, that's kind of my point. It's is it really worth it. But you want you want me to run my point the segue. Yes. 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Crime more actually, really appreciate it. Like, here's here's what I don't understand. I don't like you could argue the a lease one of them are real moments of the franchise in recent history for argument's sake. Let's say that she removed herself from a situation that she didn't believe in. And we all talk about the playbook, or why people are there and just for argument's sake. If raven for example, thought I wasn't going to pick her and what if Rev raven didn't like me, what if she was like this guy, it I don't wanna get engaged to like, I don't really like him or whatever. And yes, she might think I might be picking Vanessa, but raven I it some real moments. Right. So wouldn't it be a pretty big risk for raven to go all the way to the night before? I am even though I might have been full of shit in that moment being like, hey, what kind of ring would you like she just plays along at the risk of I'm proposing to her when. She I'm saying, I don't know what let's say raven with this girl. But releases like, I just don't see it. And she bowed out in a lease easily could have stuck around for. I mean, she might have been who knows top four, and she talked about social media and all the and she bowed out. I respect the move out though. She bowed. She that was what bothered me. She didn't bow out and say, you know, what I like, I like you. She could've done the whole thing emotional. But I I it's not there. I hear the these other women talking give me a give him a hug peace out move on away. She sat in that confessional. And she was like, I'm so stupid. I shouldn't have done this about just the biggest mistake. And then I thought do. Maybe this is all very telling us to who you are. You don't know what you want like you, literally go through this dramatic thing. You put on this fancy. Dress to say goodbye like there was a rose ceremony. Definitely over dramatic. And I was like, okay, we're we're seeing the release here. Okay. Maybe hot crazy major. I felt like she wanted him to be like, no, I don't go beg her to stay. That was I could see her coming by saying. And that's I don't like games like that. Well, but like if she's if there airing her made a huge mistake like we certainly given the opportunity to come back. Right nothing for Thailand. Thailand's? She's not coming. They have flown back. The Hong Kong and for the life to me like someone said to you on a third date, Nick, I wanna marry you. That's a real life weird situation. What she was saying was I don't see myself being able to get married after three dates with you. I don't very real life. I don't. Are there of your arguments are mutually exclusive? I think she could be overly dramatic, right? And at the same time trying to be very real flip-flop, clearly, she's overly dramatic. I mean, because the fact that she's had one date with the dude in batch the world like chill out since she was getting that's like you've had a one on one. Who's getting upset at seeing all the other girls and natural reaction? Rashly could be like everyone literally everyone has that thought everyone talks about it. They're just showing that storm out of the room and close the door in a wedding dress in a wedding. I was a bad. I liked it. It was very bright fire. I also like listen before I go with you. I am going to look awesome. We all say that the last of your thing about asteroids say goodbye is when you're making you'll be thinking when you run. You look like shit. The flip flop. I think is what got me. I was with it was until and then I was like, well, wait a minute. Which one is it a lease like who are you like I didn't understand the whole thing at the end. It was almost like that interview should have been played before walks into the for you could be real, and you can be dramatic, and you can be really dramatic. And she's probably she's probably all of the above because like sheet, you're right. She like. Level. Even if you had your guts, why am I hearing your moment something like I have a connection with Nick. But my gut tells me he's gonna pick Manasseh like you're like all right chill out before he sends me, and I'm playing devil's advocate like with this scenario would've raven didn't really like me, and she's leading me on the only person really has the expectation of getting engaged. But like at the same time, we all agree to be a part of it two point. It's like Haley's like get to that second date and see if maybe there's an start really questioning whether you should be here. It was a little hot and heavy at first. It's like it's episode what four or something what we're halfway. There's a lot going on for like four. Sleepover. All I've seen rich crazy Asians. I've all crazy retraced whatever's called always wanted to go to Singapore. I'm here now piece. He's too. That was the lease Asia's the chances are they're going to another Kool aid sauce. He wanted to go to. That's that's how I thought. I was like girl you just wanted to go to Singapore. But I still think that in a world where especially with the them introducing paradise in the blow up of social media and the opportunities that come with and the plate like for all the right reasons. And we're here to be famous bullshit that we all have to deal with when I went on Andy season Instagram exists. I would contend even Caitlyn season. There wasn't a playbook there. What those like we didn't know what could come of it. We were gonna go on national television, and like all your friends from the like, you know, small time, but all my God, it's gonna gonna blow up and you're like, I don't think that's how it works here. Because like I'm just a reality like person there wasn't a playboy. You just didn't know. And now people have a misconstrued idea of playbook people come. Okay. Well, I'm gonna have the social media the Instagram ads, and yes, we're very lucky to have it opportunity and paradise is a plan. From you can do. I mean, there were literally I know this for a fact because there were women on my season that if they got sent home like week to ten minutes later, they're texting producers so paradise. You know, like there's there's a real playbook. So it's like, it doesn't really matter if you went home, and so for Lee, a lease, you know, what she's a hairstyle small business owner now, I mean, she could she could easily have she could have milked it. Wow. Someone has some now. I'm just saying that's how is a fine. I don't know. I don't know what a career at least could've easily stuck around for longer. She wasn't going anywhere anytime soon, and she could have she's my favorite really still. She's one of my favorite. She she. She's got a great voice voices. Fire at on. That I'm into I don't say very many positive things when I've been recapping the season, you're about to say, I didn't say very many positive things about people with red. Recapping the season, and she was like the one positive thing that I said, and then I stopped. I just do. Do you? Entertaining, his fog this last should show. This last episode was entertaining. I have not been entertained the other. This last episode was very haircut made by that co-owners going to like I mean, it just doesn't seem like he's really I think he's sincere. It's just I don't it's this whole like, I'm I might marry someone says I don't it's it does this a lot of like you think he's going to get married is that what you're saying. I have a hard time believing. They there's just a lot of. I mean, he he went he went on. There was a date on this episode with the virgin and the girl who has never been kissed out wild. When this is a show about someone like suppose elegant, I understand people waiting to get marriage. And I'm not seeing if promiscuous to get married, but like experience in being this is also night not nineteen fifty and people are settling down later in life. And it's like people are getting married in different ways. So with ex you know, it's hard up thing that people are going. To actually settle down. With such limited dating experience seems like a lot of limited dating experience on the show. And so that's harder for me to be like, but it's wildly fun to watch. And I do think cones very sincere in his pursuit to meet someone. I mean, it's not necessarily his fault. He has lack of experience. I mean, I guess it says decision, but. Please tell me I think that Colton is also playing into a character. I think that he is he's been billed. We all have we all have a thing. Right. Like, you were the promiscuous want four times a charm. I was like the bold bad ass attorney, right? Like bitch was only worth that was missing the b word for this pretty much. I love how the dog. I love how is it? I like you were the horn. I was the awesome player. That's the bit better. With him. He's the virgin so there is a character. He has to play into and he's got like this like even when I watch him on days. I think he's like a sweet guy. But I think he also plays it up this charm this. I'm the good boy next door. I I'm his charming. And he seems like a very nice guy Flynn. I know r-maine I think that he's playing into the good boy events like, for example. I'm not a virgin, I mean, one of the reasons I'm version forty slip. I'm not a virgin. It is I met him. I he says one of the reasons these aversion is because he was very focused on his football career. I don't buy that ship for a second. Have you met a football player? I have I know very very very talented football player focused players who had no problem meeting women or focusing on women as well. So when I almost that the best football players in the world or some of the ones who are also really good at sac, and that's my I'm like that to me is a is a narrative that plays into the narrative of the good boy. And that's here second. But that's why I'm saying I don't believe him. And I felt that way when I watch Becca season I felt that in paradise. And then I felt it I've now, but I well, I think that's bullshit. Like, it's the same reason. I thought Josh Murray was just like this whole time. It's like, well, you know, like on an and it was like well, Josh. He was a minor league. Baseball player. Traffic drafted second round. That's an incredible costume compliment amazing in but he sucked in the minor leagues. Let's keep it real. And it was like a wide you. We were always like Josh like what what happened. You know? We just wanted to know. And it was like, well, it just it wasn't conducive for a family life. And it's like, I know a lot of major league baseball players were married with kids like, and we looked at I'll be like a one ninety batting average. Oh, you weren't good fine. Like, he's also you were way better than I did like, congratulations that you are awesome. So I didn't buy that for a second coming out of Josh. I don't buy that for a second coming out with Colton what I'm willing to buy though with Colton is. I believe is a virgin, I don't know. I don't necessarily buy his reasons. But I don't know if he necessarily knows what the reason is sounds like a good thing to say, I think he's believes his own story. I do believe that I believe that he's convinced himself. He wanted to focus on football. And he just hasn't had sex story changes every. Week though, as to why he's virgin it compounds on of it like I'm virgin because a football virgin because a family I'm virgin because oh this where. Yeah. Family values in almost like he forgot about it. Like I woke up one day. And which is what forty overs version says like, oh, I kind of like time just past. And I'm this age Calvert kind of said change every willing to buy that though. Because here's a person. I'm sure he certainly had to do it. Because what the bachelor doesn't the batch of producers. Do they like to drive home narrative? I got sick of being like this. You know, this for me. I I understand because like there's there's this ego thing, and it Colin does it to even Ben like, I'm not loveable. Of course, you are your bed Higgins someone's gonna like you like I get self conscious about like, I am single. And I certainly have my issues in the dating life. But it's not again like I'm not trying to. But I have there's women who don't let me there's plenty of people. I've decided I don't wanna date, right? So when the bachelor when I'm going through my season, we'll find someone just because Andy and Caitlyn broke up with me. It's like it's not like this whole premise. No one likes Nick, you know, like well anyone ever picnic? You know, literally, edit it. So like Vanessa like when they edited the show. It was Vanessa was going to let me know that she was they weren't waiting for me to propose everyone knew. And pros will will Vanessa picnic is how they. I guess smoking defensive be like, and you get and your constantly defending cold sanding or homes narrative is he's the virgin he constantly has to address because it comes up. I'm sure he's headed do this in life. And I'm assuming that he's created the monster. He told everybody he's a virgin, I don't feel sorry for him. I mean like you decided to make the conscious decision that is something you don't have to say on TV again through a story. He knew it separated him from every I remember when he said on Becca season. I thought that guy's gonna be the bachelor I don't cone certainly has been very strategic with his public persona and hazard team around him. And he's tending around the right way. I mean, like he's being very smart. He's he's not stupid. He's like he's very setup. Do you think he has more of an angle than we think than a hundred? Percent. I don't know. I don't know what it is. But I absolutely think he's not as like g gosh as we like, this is no he's not as like, I'm the boy next door. You know like and call it me being skeptical negative. I don't I just don't believe believe he's a virgin. But I just don't believe off. If you were I do believe him when he says that. But I do think that there was a reason that you said it think about it. What the fuck would. We be talking about about colon. If we didn't talk about definitely not as NFL career. What would we love we talking about? If we didn't if we weren't talking about again. Ben wasn't lovable. That was the most made of bull. Shame the world was dipping. But Ben was been right. Like Benza tent? Was that I think that was his thing that was really cute. But like, that's that's been has been stiffened. I also just guys not different. He's would be the bachelor if he was wasn't a virgin virgin, wait that wasn't a virgin, maybe. Yeah. I don't think it's I don't think you could definitely say he wouldn't be. I definitely I can't definitely think he would not be because then he would have been like a Blake adjacent. I think Blake and Jason were just regular guy. You know what I mean? And but Colton there was something a narrative that they've never had before and over. I think it was something it's something now. Now is that? You always had to have a story. You had a store you the first black bachelorette. I mean, that's a story said if they kept on the season, I go if I do not wanna keep talking about on black. I I get what they do is Andy with harp, the lawyer thing, and I don't know what. Caitlyn Caitlin was her story. Was there was the two bachelorette. Yeah. I don't know. Well, but also, I'm like, I'm a strategic person. And I sometimes feel like I have to defend that your strategic person. You can't like I know you are there's nothing wrong with being calculated. You don't have to be manipulative to be curated and calculated about what I'm saying is. That's what I like the different when I was asked to be the bachelor it was as much of a price to me is anyone else. I didn't like there was who I was gonna go on paradise and become the bachelor. Yeah. Okay. But one they asked me like do. I did. I when I said, yes to being the bachelor, I my first thought was wanting to work who are the women going to be I want it to work is an opera what I have said. Yes. To the back. Bachelor. If no opportunities could come from it like, hey, Nick, just, you know, when you leave here in a thirty women you have to get engaged. One of them. Nothing else here mobile only for love. I mean, that's the difference. You're talking about what you decide to do after your name bachelor fair. I am talking about Colton did prior to all always done. I always said that I think coating always came in wanting to be the bachelor, I'm not saying he didn't like Becca. I'm not saying that he definitely didn't like to you. But I'm not I'm I'm not saying he didn't like back. I do think he liked her. But I think. I don't think he ever wanted to to be with Tia. He had Tia before the show Baroness to Colton. I don't I don't know who reached out to who. But they again like baby they hung out for a weekend. And then often Tia keeps showing up on Becca sees how cold climate. I know I hate that part. I I hate it that what he did on on his on Becca season. Excuse me season became t- is on that with a girl once and then went on like you can argue whether you should have done that like so they hung out once 'cause she lives in. Bump fuck, Arkansas. And he lives in lived in California think they hung out once but that doesn't. Indicate that he reached out to her, and it doesn't agape it. He that they talked all the time whether it be through DM text messages phone calls, like I'm not gonna paint T as is crazy person. He flew her to to California as Tia did. But I'm just I'm just saying that at heats slid in her dams after seeing her on the show like he knew she was off you're safe from and everybody knew the -til would have been the bachelorette. If the disaster hadn't happened with Becca. I don't know about that well hoop? No case, it was it was always going to be. We always knew it was gonna leave Becca. No, I'm the same. But the presumption that it was tears to lose. Because Becca got what it have been. I don't know it could have been I've heard well, I've heard it could have been Christina Christina heard. It could have been Christine. I believe that as a friend. I'm Christina's friend, and the she could get she's not gonna matter. You're saying that like nobody. I agree. Because a lot of the Taurus for all the all the bachelor people who like have been considered to be the bachelor. It's like, no, you weren't gonna be Tia might have been just like also just like the whole thing. It's just like it was going to be Luke until it wasn't like, you know, what I'm saying for all gonna be looking till at five. But like he's still wasn't these are facts, though, he wasn't. It was going to be losing certainly was definitely going to check this out. Just just as play with me. Let's do a hypothetical here. He has he slides in tia's DM's Tia today. Talk talk talk with torches comfortable enough to fly out to California and be with him. Then she becomes the bachelorette. And then he shows up on her season mind, you it's not like he randomly met. He knew she was on the show he slides in her D M, she becomes the bachelorette. Now, you have this whole narrative of will. We knew each other before which is this relationship it risk. But you. Got to you got far. And so it's like even gonna keep in mind. I did not plan on coming. I know you y'all talked before. And it got you on the show, and I'm just saying that wasn't your narrative. But I'm saying that but with him if that were Colin's plan couldn't that backfire if it was his plan how how would it backfire? Well, if his plan was I'm gonna meet Tia wanna get to know Tia, and that she didn't become about Schratt, and I'm gonna go on and it's gonna get me far. 'cause like she's comfortable with me. What if that cut out? And then how do you become the bachelor if edits it kind of get out that he's talked to her before? And I think that after after you becoming the bachelor, I think there are no rules, totally. But with Tia coming on pursuing colon it change the narrative, it protected Colton. He's pursuing him, but that that wasn't part of cones plan per you. But he, but even if because if t is about come on he decided to tell beca that he talked t at there's a story line that there was a story that was before he ever came on the season. He said, I just want you to know, I dated one of your friend. Bam. There's a story. We're all talking about it. We're all talking about Tia. And I said that after the first episode I go we're just gonna skip over the fact that Tia wasn't involved in on Colton journey. We're just gonna skip the whole bachelor gonna pass call talking about. I a lot of what you're saying makes sense. I also like it's it's a for someone again like for me. I remember like like, I know Josh like this whole idea that like I planned it all from the time Andy seeds being the bachelor, it was some sort of fucking master plan. I had a lot of happy accidents. And it sometimes blow minds the small things or certain unique people that aren't even attached the show that I had to meet in other things have happened to eventually its blows my mind when I play it back in my head the book, a butterfly effect, so to speak and yet like because I'm a strategic person Nick had this case that you had that you not you. But like, I know like certain people who maybe didn't quite like me, it was easier shift the narrative that I would be hard to believe I try to start something new here neck. I'm trying to take the pressure. Understand why nobody's talking about it because I've so negative and I'm auto cynical shit of his whole plan. I mean, that's impressed. I pressed like kudos to you. I'm not take you cannot convince me otherwise sorry. I just he's very well setup. And I'm not saying that whatever the girl the girl he chose. I'm not saying he doesn't like her. I'm not saying that they won't be together. Like, these are the things that people will say that I'm saying I'm not I'm not taking away from him liking because sometimes it is a beautiful surprise when I went on when I became the bachelorette. I told my family, I wouldn't like any guys was like, you know, I'm not gonna like any of these guys they won't find someone for me. And then I was wonderfully surprised by Brian. So I'm not doubting Colin's relationship in who he's chosen. I just think that the way he got. There was all a part of the master to play. What about sums it up for our bachelor conversations quick notes? Demi still awesome. She's great. Demi Moore in the future. She's good. Yeah. Yeah. Let's get to some Cuna. How shall we? All right. Well, Amanda, thank you for calling in this is neck. This is rate show. How can we help? I've had this problem may choose separate relationship. If kind of when the parents can't let go of the X. So for example, in my last relationship like the ex very comfortable was very comfortable calling his mom's even two years in to say, Hello. And it was not an issue. I even had to tell my own mother like, hey, that's really disrespectful because she was in contact with my brothers. That was like, you know, you can't develop a relationship with the new girl if you're still holding onto the old girl. So you know, how you feel with that request? I had to deal with that a little bit in my first relationship and my third relationship. Right. You know, my parents really liked them both as people, especially my third girlfriend. I loved her family, and we got close. And it's I think it's one of the things you just have to like the maturity of just you. Yeah. Like, that's unfortunate casualty of relationships is that if you have a serious relationship, and if you Aren gauge, but you date for a few. Years and your family's a priority. Right because it families a you're like, hey, like, I want I want to introduce you to my family when you get to know my family, and then you start hanging out, and you become friends, and that is an unfortunate. Catlike casualty of of a break-up and the hard things about real breakup as sometimes you're not just saying goodbye to that one person. You're saying goodbye to a whole life. You know, and it's ninety not the family. It's groups of friends friends break up, and it's like, well, you know, like who gets into the divorce, you know. And sometimes you don't get the bow friends say my third girlfriend are my best friend his wife. That's how gone the show became friends with her Africa broke up we both set up in the reading leading and the hard part about that. Is it actually took it dragged on the break-up? We never got back together. But it was so fresh, and even though we broke up, and I ended the relationship because I just didn't think we were compatible. I still loved her. We still had a lot of fun together. We you know part. We broke up because it wasn't how good a great. It was when it was good as how bad it was when it was bad. I was like I just don't this is like, we don't I'm not my best version rowdy. But when we would have fun fuck I loved being around her. And so like out hang out with my friends, and it was it made it hard family that was harder because we're friends but family, it's like, I think you I think you're right. I think it's fair to say to your parents like mom, dad. I'm sorry. Like, Chuck's great guy. But gotta let them go. I mean, Amanda, unfortunately, I cannot relate. I aku. Maybe this means you're picking really really good guy. Don't know her family's off doesn't family ever gets close to to exit until like like Brian. I would say is probably the closest because we're engaged. Rachel. Moving towards or moving towards that. We're we're moving towards a marriage. But my parents never I guess they're kind of old school. So they don't believe in getting too close until it's actually official. So yeah, I've seaboard base this my siblings to like, my my sister's don't talk to my exes. I mean, I- brother-in-law very friendly super friendly, but he's only met one. So I I actually talked to my ex sister. Bryan knows that. Of here. I talked to my ex sister. But but like, we just have a friendship and outside that, but anyway, everything Nixon because I can't really give advice on that one. But that makes you pick. I will say that. Sometimes again, there's exceptions to every rule is that I do think there are moments like people like can you be friends with Xs the general answer is no, but all my ex's, well, fine. But also depends on early. It depends on the extent of relationship or lack thereof a how serious, and sometimes I also think there needs to be like a gap in between like a real separation of like we dated for period time. And then we broke up. So we stop talking disconnect. And then maybe for whatever reason there was a reconnection. But at that point the relationship is so far removed. You can appreciate each other people as friends and ending in those specific situations, you can be friends in if you aren't relation. You are you're getting someone who's come confident in that relationship in. Sure enough to not be intimidated. The fact that you dated someone three years ago. But like like, I don't know like like my ex-girlfriend who I keep referring she's now married with a kid, and I've met her now husband, and he's a great fucking, dude. And I care about her as a person to love her. But like if I ever we don't talk. But like I would if I am looking to be in a relationship again. I would have no problem like like, she's my friend, you know, but like what you invited to your wedding like, we're not we don't talk. But I wouldn't not if like somehow like I moved home and saw more of her and became friends with her and her husband who I actually think he's really cool, dude. I like hang album. There's a there's a world in which I could see myself inviting her to my wedding. I'm not against it. But like right now, she's just not a part of my life. So it wouldn't make much sense. So I do think if there's a separation it can it can work, but like the media break-up, it's super weird. We're like what you today. I'm like well talking to your access still of great pass to cut the core. Cut it out shut. It's a dick move bomb. So I think right. If I run into this situation in another relationship, I should be like, hey, you know, could you talk to your parents? And you know, let them know. It bothers me because I I know I can't be the only one ever has his issue. I've had more than one. So just is your parents are doing it too. Or there are you still talking to their what's going on here? No. It's it's my my ex is when I was chew separate exes. When I was with them their mothers with still talk to their previous. Oh, and I was like in this situation. Again, you know, how do you? How would I Campbell just? I really don't. But your mom to two once my mom did it. Okay. That's what I that's a tough call. How do you do that? I mean, it's a weird thing if you're going to next election, but before we get started does your mom talk to your Xs. Because I don't know my, okay. So Brian I'll be like. Was very close with his ex, but they don't talk anymore. And I think that if they did then you have to go to the your significant other and tell him to have the conversation because you can't be the bad person. Like, no can't do. Yeah. You just have to be able to have that open communication where you can talk to him. And then he relates the message. Here's a question. How how how quickly do you? Start dating is people once they broke up with their exes. You know, I don't really have a role for them. I have a rule for me with your rule is act asking what was the timing where they broken up for like two days like in my last relationship. It was probably about three months and that relationship for him like he was engaged to her. But Muslim kind of like let it go but still two years in like all right union have a conversation. So much an issue. Those are two different. That's the thing. Because like listen. There's nothing wrong with if someone if you meet someone they broke up with someone to weeks ago. Well, hey, timing, whatever there's nothing wrong with pursuing that relationship. But there's sometimes there might be some residuals effect of rushing in new relationship or that other relationship hasn't really like that break-up hasn't taken its course. So maybe there's some understanding if like expect that if you're going to jump into relationship, and like, hey, just, you know, like, I just got off this very seriously three weeks ago, you might have to deal with some shit, you know, and if that's fine if you like but after some time passes. Yes, I think it's reasonable be like okay now, it's just weird. And I do think Rachel's point, I absolutely think if your guy respects you if if it's the other sex like you should go to them and say, this makes me feel uncomfortable. And I don't think I'm being unreasonable. And it would really appreciate you. Asking your mom to shut this down and making sure that they don't throw you under the bus. Yeah. Very telling relations with their. Parents if they can Mamani issue, you Amanda made me do it like, no mom. I'm not okay with you still talking to Erica, and they should own that. And they should they should have your back for sure. And if they don't that's a red flag ratio would always say to me. I would always read flat. What do you mean? She's like, you'll know she's them. Anyways, that helpful. I think that helped me and other people too because it, you know, it's a a thin line because it's family exact that's why you have to let him handle his family. I love my family, deeply, sometimes family doesn't always make the family family. And there there through thick and thin. And sometimes you need to be like your show stop. Yeah. Because also when it comes to breakup to is it's like anything else. It's like when people say like, why are you gonna really relationship advice when you suck it relations because I'm not personally affected by the advice on giving when you break up with someone your family might be sad. But they're not going through what you're going through. So there just might not even thinking about the does bother you. You know, it's a lot easier to do things when you're not personally affected, and they they might be affected. But then affected like you. You know? And so it's it's different. So cut them some slack. But also like shut it down. Yeah. Got ya. Cool. Well, thank you. Good luck in your relationship. Thanks. I I'm Stephanie by Stephanie Rachel. I know I I love you guys. You two were actually my favorite. So they also. I will eat it up. Thank you. Stephanie. Nice to meet. That connected. The most to thank you. A lot. How can we help? Now that you've flattered us. So I was recently ghosted by my boyfriend of three and a half years should just instead of ending it. He decided let's just disappear. I'm really interested fine. You know, so ever client erupting sorry policy. I just want when it comes to go saying I have a big question. I was doing I want a lot of specifics because I wanna know like I think when people say ghosting it, there's various degrees. So you were doing this guy for how long we were dating for three and a half years and one day, he just disappeared. Yeah. Fuck stephanie. This has happened to me. So I'm very very tough. It's definitely ghosting. And so so you're three and a half years gone. Like one day, go to applebees and gone. We we had made plans. Well, I was going to see a concert with friends near his hometown. And he said, oh, maybe I'll stop by. And see you when you're passing through and the night of the concert of Texas was like, hey, there's gonna be this motel. I'm at and he was like cool do that. And then the next morning. I just never heard from him. And then he just never answered me. This is December. And so, yeah, he's officially it's just done. So he'll do seventy. Twenty five while saying thirty while on thirty this. I mean, this happened to me when I was nineteen. I was dating for six months, and this is the first girlfriend we've got together six more times. But one time she literally just disappeared in six months, later, whatever this is very different. This is a adult relationship then went on for three and a half years. Wow. You know, Email nothing. He's got like. And do you live in the same town where how do you not have you tried tea? So he lived in Connecticut, and I had gone to school there. We've met in college and like at the tail end of graduating. And then we kind of did a long distance thing for a while. And then I moved back near his hometown. So it was a little easier to be together often we had a it was like a year that I live near him. So we had a pretty good year, you know, being together and things with more serious talking more. And like it seemed like it was going good. And then I moved out of that town and thanks fell apart. And then I think he just that up with it. So he ended the wrong way. So my question is what is your question? I'm so my question is how do you not get past being goes the by someone, but like, you know, you know, getting over that person per se but getting past that fear of being ghosted in future relationships. What are we trusting someone enough to like, not sure think that it's going to happen because you don't always wanna think someone's going to do something bad? But you know, you have the fear in the back of your mind, or it's really fucked up. What happening? Yes, I this literally happened to me I was twenty three and I was dating this guy for four years off but off and on off and on right? And here's the thing there were if I look back, and I don't this is you don't have to answer this. There were things that should have let me know that this is this guy is type of guy that is. Yeah. As possible casper. Right. Like, you know, this is we'll call your your boyfriend for the moment and. And the reason he left me. I did two years later talk to him, and we actually are friends now because my friends all my ex's, he left me because he didn't know how to tell me that he didn't know how to break up with me. And he ended up going like social forgetting somebody else fragment now, they're married and have kids together. But he didn't know how to tell me not that that was an okay thing. But it was kind of comforting to at least finally get an answer. But here's the thing. You don't really need an answer is obvious. This is not somebody that you should be with visit somebody you should be that is even deserving of your time. And you almost have it hurts in the beginning, you should embrace that and be present in the moment with how you're feeling. But then also have that like Adele like can I curse in front of you? Stephanie are we close enough there? Go more you have to have that. Adele, fuck you not fuck, man. Men, but fuck you MS holiday like you're better than that. He doesn't deserve you. Whoever is with him is is going to have to deal with all of his shit. And it's all about like, you finding the next year and for you like grave, and then what are the worst part of it little parts of it about like, I know. January first than I told myself, you know, okay, he's been he's been gone for like three weeks haven't heard from him. I was like I'm going to start a plan to get past him and do better in my life. And so I, you know, mapped up in full saying, I'm in inspirational group, and you know, all these personal gross books like do positive things. And then I block him a social media. And then like a week later. Facebook suggests a friend to me, and I see that it has a picture of my ex-boyfriend with a new girl, and it's his new girlfriend clearly that face because the just be friends with and I'm like this just completely like set a whole new set of questions in my mind, like how long have they been together? And you know, is this why he goes to me? And like that's why I've been so confused like, how do you even think of moving forward with another person, you know, when you have that fear of them doing the same thing because it's such a popular thing apparently goes thinking. Catchphrase? I mean, it's been happening. There's a I agree with everything. Rachel said to add to it. I think like Rachel said. I don't think there's anything wrong with acknowledging your pain in not necessarily embracing it. But don't don't run from it. Probably probably he probably like there was probably some unfortunate overlap between you and her as a good. It's a good guest who soom, right? Ultimately, it doesn't match Rachel's point, right? Your eagle wants the answer. Easy wants like to why this happened to me. Does this it whatever the reason is it has absolutely no reflection of you as a person and has a reflection of them as a person, you know, that the choices they make and to Rachel's point, you vent this in the future by paying attention to the signs, you probably could go back. And I know I could go back and my passion ships and be like, okay. Yeah. That was probably some that should have paid attention to that should have paid attention to that and pay attention to that. So next time people I always have a problem with people who like if they got cheated on or ghosted. Like the mmediately like put that baggage on the next person on a day don't do that. But you can still be mindful of red flags you can be like all right, listen, I'm not going to rush to judgment. But like you did this shit. And I don't think I'm Mike exaggerating by asking you like, hey, listen this happened before. And I just need to address this. Because is a red flag to me. So just write this happens. You're not the only one, unfortunately. But learn from it be mindful. Be honest with yourself about the things you can't control and the things you can't control and unfortunately, datings hard shitty. People in there in the torito's point. He's a bad guy. He's parolee being very selfish and immature in this moment, and he certainly to mature to deal with it. And it's not something you want affected. He is thirty one probably demonstrates that cats that he's thirty on. And he did he's not he's not growing up anytime soon. Back on that part. Let's just be petty for a moment. He's no longer your headache. Don't you kinda like on the inside laugh opinion, like girls gotta deal with that basket case? Like, that's like that is not a prime on that the other. Now that doesn't exactly absolutely. And I'll say this one hundred times more on future episodes when it comes to being cheated on or ghosted and only to find out they were like, there's some overlap it fucks with you, and it fucks with their ego. And it's like every time someone cheated on. And people are like, well, what happened with you and your boyfriend's like, oh, I don't know like it just didn't work out because you feel stoop. I did when I got sheet. Just like it's like suction of who you are. It has nothing to do with you. So the fact that he is dating someone it sucks, but like tarantulas point great because what you really don't want is him to get bored. Have you move on? And then like Crete backing your life and have that affects you because you your ego needs a valid that you're still worthwhile to him. Is. It doesn't really matter. One of them things. You said is that you're in an inspirational group like that's so big to have like a support system of people who are uplifting you and like, you know, whether you're reading you're you're having the conversation surrounding yourself with. That type of energy and not that the the other type so good for you like that gone. Awesome. Embraced that. Thanks. You're doing great. You're so much better. And this this week you don't have to carry that shit in a two thousand nineteen. This is all I left you in two thousand eighteen this is two thousand nineteen. It's not about you. It's so good. You want to carry that question because I guess a lot whenever when people ask me dating questions. I was dating for three years. I was dating for four years. I understand. It's important. I'm glad you share that with us to give us some perspective of the answer. But also feel like sometimes people say it is like I've invested this much time already tired Aleve. It's real thing. Also, like be like, you know, what? No, it's better than three like not investing not investing ten or fifteen or like four or if he like fuck with you for another year, you know, like to Rachel's point, you're finally out. You're only twenty five at super young. The world's in front of you. I mean, I know hurts, but I'm just saying like positive thinking he did is he was twenty four twenty five. Oh, maybe growing up to like this guy who he is loser. Yeah. No, it just I think it's one of those things like hit me really hard because I temper. Such a long time in like for me to be with someone that three years of the long for sure hand, you know, and I kinda saw going one direction, and that was the way that we were talking about going completely like did a u-turn. So I think that's why it was really like, oh, man. I was with this three years, and I wasted so much time. Oh, you now look forward. Don't. What's his Instagram name? So I control him. That's your call. Okay. Facebook. The only last advise I'd give you a maybe an literal exercise. You can do is. I would do this. And then stop thinking about if you can, but really dwell on if you're gonna dwell on him dwell about the things that you actually couldn't stand about him. I'm sure there were plenty dwell in the things that piss you all there's a things that you didn't appreciate how he treated you all the shit. You get mad about it's a little petty. But like focus on that. And like remind yourself like, you know, what this guy really wasn't all that great. Because right now, you are because you're trying to figure out why he ghosted or if he was dating someone your subconsciously glorifying guy without even trying to do it. Because it's like who he did this to me. Like, nah, like, remind yourself that he was incredibly at best average and kind of an immature piece of shit and keep the list, and yeah, use it as something as a learning thing for your nest next relationship. But but but don't bring that list on the first date. Let them fuck out first before you start being. Like eight listen to number twenty five. Checklists? Do you do any of these things? All right. Well, hopefully that was helpful good luck. All the best. You are going to be great excited for your new future. I am. Thank you Khokhar took her. I said how can we help you think all for about over two years now? And I haven't really. Anyone or talking to anybody that I've really been interested in until five months ago. I started teen my neighbor and really falling for him. Then his behavior kinda came to Bryn consistent to the point wrong. Like, okay, he's clearly not into the as I am. So I ended saying and I haven't talked to bend. That kinda leads to my question, which is why I think to be interesting guys that aren't inter- interested in. Ooh. While you think about you. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. I think in general the reality is sometimes feels that way more than it is that way. Because when we feel like we're not liked or rejected. We, you know, it's like not to relate it, I don't know sound down. But like, I always on social media would groundless if you have a follow. You're not you don't notice the ten. Nice comments, you notice the one negative comment. And that's the one that kind of sits with you. And that's when you kind of pine about I'm certain, I don't know anything about you. You seem like a really nice woman. You're very pretty. I'm certainly this. Plenty of guys who like you just don't pay attention to the guys that you're not interested in. And I don't mean like, I get my point out what you're saying. But like, you're just kind of your ego worries about that. There's plenty of guys that you're not interested in either in the like, you're just the ones that you are some guys won't like you like all of us. There's care who you are. There are people that won't like I don't care who you are. There's no person who can literally get anyone they want and have that someone never get sick of him. I don't care who you are. Yeah. Happens. The literally everyone and when. That happens it fucks with you. Right. I just I guess under saying, I guess what I'm saying is I wouldn't it's like you're you feel like you're asking is like, oh, why am I doing this or what's making bad choices or my doing something wrong or whatever? Mike, I think this is kind of life, and it feels worse than it is and. You know, like until again, I'm speaking like these generic Ryan's. The most Amata relationships that will have that will never fail as one, you know, God forbid unless you meet someone in they pass away they died, and it was a great relationship, except they died you meet someone else. But that the most relationship to you can have that won't fail as one. So like until you meet someone that like it works out and you both mutually like each other the same amount of time. It just a rare thing. So until then you're not gonna like guys who like you. And you're gonna let guys who don't like you until you meet that person. You're both like a fucking love you and you're like holy shit. I've never had this before. And that's great. And I just think in general that's kind of life. And so until that happens when when guys don't aren't as much as you like them. That's you know, it's shit happens. You know, as what I think I yeah. I know I agree with everything you're saying because I have a question you other than the sky you mentioned for that. You it for five months. What makes you say that you continue to pick guys that don't. Like, you is has has that happened within the two years. Are you judging that before like, I guess I'm just trying to understand why you would generalize it into this pattern? Yeah. I feel like over the two years, I've a few instances where name or the guy just like initiating or they're kind of just plain field a lot more than I am. And then they're like a few guys in my life that I know are in neom like the dating me, but it should not relate on my not Rosas. AM Levy ask how old are you? My expression. Twenty six. Okay. How old are they guys generally? Yes, I need to are you picking the same type of guy. The ones you're in holler. They holidays guys. Actually, I'm sure the past that have aphid in the same age, and they were thirty three. Okay. Like older men. Now, are you picking the same type of guy? Only. Now, there is something to this. Now, I used to date the same type of guy like in my head. I he had to be this this and this, okay? I just wanna say that Brian is not those things guy that were on the I I had a certain type, and I always pick the same type of guy not necessarily even looks just the same true personality and the same thing would continue to happen to me. And I say this also because you said there are guys are interested thin, you don't fill a certain way about it. So I don't know if it's necessarily that guys aren't into you. You might just be picking the same type of guy, you know, like, maybe you're gonna love and my love Mel opinion, are no I. I really do. I truly feel like that helps you relate. I have a question because I feel like I agree with everything you're saying because I look back on my life, and kind of these are the people I dated, and there's there's a similarity between all of them strong. I've always been strong minded opinionated women. So that before what I've realized and I I'm not apologetic. I like that I want my next person. I'm with to be opinionated. But learning from my past mistakes, I do still need some it's not just being opinionated. It's having also the maturity in the emotional presence to like also interesting, the to communicate and talk. So I need I need to make adjustments. But it wasn't that. Ultimately the relationships ended. I broke up with some of them some of them with me type of thing. But it wasn't about them liking each other. Just I realized that those relationships weren't sustainable, and I feel like these are two different things. Like, these guys at you realize you datum, they liked you you so like, I think learning adjusting who you're acted too. But I feel like Emma's talking about the initial courting period of like I like these guys and everyone I feel like there's something there that I get excited about I don't feel like it's reciprocated. I think that there's a common I ask. Because is there a common denominator in the type of guy that you're going after? Okay. So for me. So I'll be more specific I loved athletes. Okay. Don't say anything jersey chaser. You call it. What you what I was sports fan? I loved athletes. Okay. And there is there is a stereotype with with athletes. You no matter what sport you're in. And so what I realized is the guy might be different. But there are certain characteristics. That are within these type of guys where there's common denominator that is not conducive to a healthy relationship for me, or we don't want the same things. So, you know, whether it's an athlete of attorney, doctor, whatever for you. That's what maybe it is that you look at what the common denominator is. And maybe that's not the type of guy you go for. So like, I don't think that you should say what's wrong with me. Is it me, you know, like, maybe just reevaluated type of man that you're going after? That's I think we're trying to get at in the whole thing. It's not you. Always. Yeah. I definitely well that was kind of my point to like early on is that it's definitely not like you. I mean, but I do think as we date kind of been redundant like dating a learning experience. And definitely the one great thing about breaking up. A someone is the opportunity to redefine in contained a fine. What is your best fit your, right? And so every person you date, there's an opportunity to be like, okay, you know, without trying to like, totally mold your person. But also would I said in the beginning is this the not beat yourself up with the fact that you know, finding that one person is not the easiest thing. And so even though again. It it does like you're you're worried about you call these guys are like don't like me. Will clearly there's plenty guys. Like, you don't like them, you know, and they're calling some other podcast Gladys, you know. And so my only point of saying that is it's hard, right? So don't sweat that don't focus on that. Don't change who you are. But also learn to Rachel's point just be mindful of what's working. What's not don't don't sacrifice what you know is important you. But also, don't you know, don't force things that haven't worked for you in the past, right? Yeah. So I feel like we did that together to your shop. We would have done that on the show. We would've worked. Saw my fault. Also the point of call. They also have a great day. Good luck. Also, if you're going to date your neighbor, really, make sure they're sure thing. Awkward. Yeah. Luckily, run into each other. Good for me. And if you do indifference be like the. Treat 'em like your brother again, what's up? How you doing? Great to see you. And check this out, Emma. If it's not working out there. You can always apply on the bachelor and find out. Nominated intimated audition tape. She's got blonde. She's a shoe. I'll remember your name talk to casting. This. This great girl. Season. Am I've you get on that season. A you don't bring us in to talk to continue to advise you have said also it's an option, but it's not the word for Rachel. Just try to time. Then you here. I am. Yeah. All right. Take care. We didn't really get him a lot about lying or had this planned for. But I do think this was fun. I mean, I great time catching up reminiscing with you. I absolutely did. I feel like this is like a full circle moment. Like always knew we would be cool. We would be cool friends, and I do feel like we got an allying because I did talk about people lying or maybe maybe not being one hundred percent honest right now is with prince. Now when I sing. Being truthful about who who he is. And what he wants. But. We tell our versions to nothing. That's we talked about like lying, or, you know, sometimes my biggest frustration that I have some of my peers from the show or people that I've had interactions with as they tell their truth. Yeah. You know, their version of their truth. And it's not that the what is not even specific anything. They said is necessarily untrue. They conveniently leave out other things that like painted different picture. It's like talking about like when people ask about the show. It's yeah. This all happened. You know, this all yes shirts, edited by definition. But sometimes show leaves things out and sometimes things that people leave out would paint a different picture or show a different like canvas I feel like that's more real in this in the bachelor bubble total has of the separation. We have with each other. You really do have your version, and they don't know. And we know this perspective because we've been on both sides as a contestant you have no idea what it's like to be in the lead. And and like north. For foot. Four example. Like, you knew you were in Vanessa weeded know that at the time. So we have our truth of what it is. And there really is a whole nother version because of what you know as the lead like my Peterman, number two guy tells a different story than what I did. But he has no idea what I knew that. He didn't want to know the I totally know because as lead you're just like again like people ask what's it like to be the bachelor? It's like well to be honest. Like, you listen you connect with a small group. And I don't know who you guys were. But I I'm I'm without even asking I know that there were probably less than five guys, you felt a legitimate chemistry with whether it was love or not you felt like you're connecting the rest for like, I don't even know how to talk to you. Yeah. And kind of like being the bachelor is like trying to figure out how you still get to know these women be respectful denies be nice and send them home before they hate you. Because eventually they're very intuitive. They realized there's a lot of eagle involved. It's easier said than none. Like again, I couldn't help how I felt about Vanessa. I just had this natural chemistry. I also like head legitimate chemistry and connections with you, which was miles different than like, an lover Alexis or or or Christina or like Danielle both Danielle's. It just wasn't the same. Like, you made it easy for me to talk to like anytime you like showed up. Thank god. Rachel's here have those people don't tell you and so like in so it's hard to do in. So like, you're always just like it's you're trying to combat that and like the contestants against us. Those eagles evolve of being like, they weren't that great or whatever like, you know, you've had it too which I didn't realize. No, yeah. But that's that's the thing is is that person's truth, but there's a whole 'nother side that they have no idea, they know about like, it's it's it's crazy. It is there truth though, it really isn't really are telling their version, but there's just different audio saying sometimes they leave things out. Everybody. It's like their version failed to mention that. Or like, I I'm very defensive of producers because it's like, yeah, I've had my frustrations. But it is such an easy scapegoat to be like, I was I mean, they made me do that. Or I said that because of the producer's like saying what you think the producers want you to say and saying because you clan. They set told you to say that are two very different things ever say blame anything on editing because I never do. Well, I actually I said with Brian there were certain things because our narrative was that we were likes hot sexy, and like very physical, which we were. But there was also another side of it. But when it came to me, I never was like, oh that was at a note. What I said I said, well what I say too is like I will say that I was vilified on anti season. Right. But like, I was like, you know, did I also do say those things. Sure. But like, I mean, I was watching it last night to at least at home. It's amazing. What the music tell right to feel right? Music with Colton cast ten or like romantic because like I thought to myself watching a bit like you change us soundtrack like when when we'll least was leaving. You're like what is going on this is? So this is such a huge deal in all it really happened some girls like anyone go, right? Not a really big deal, the music and a music tells you how to feel and so a lot of times when I was reading Andy oppo giving a flowers or sneaking over to say, hi, just one more time or they're excited about it was. Might killer. But that reason alone I wanna go back and watch it with Brad with Brian. They always played a Latin music. Every little look that you make us, you know, the cameras on you twenty four seven. Yeah. And you know throughout the day, you can like get tired or annoyed or or you could be thinking about anything. Yeah. Knows what the shit. We're thinking about when you're locking that world will they're capturing all those expressions, and when you really pay attention to the show, they show you glimpses of expressions. You know, they'll say something someone will talk some shit and also an expression of something else to validate what? So that shit happens all the time. But you know, and so I do feel like I was vilified. Sure. But I also did all those things, and I will always I always contend that the show does attempt to tell the store that happened that because a trip and again, I go back. It's also high school. The bachelor of the household is high school, it's petty in in whatever and the truth is on anti season. I wasn't like part of the group. I was the outsider is like fuck it. I like this girl. I don't really care and the the edit tends to go with that in less. Maybe you're the winner. It's so funny that you said that it just made me think of something that happened during your season when you said that you weren't in the end group would call yourself. What did we call ourselves? It wasn't the cool kids, but something to orderly petty like, I don't know. But I guess I was in the in crowd. But no, you were the leader of the. You might have been nominated. But I would definitely like the mother the but Vanessa wasn't in the in crowd. And there was a comment that she made one time about how y'all understand each other. Because y'all both were had similar situations in the house, and I yeah. And had us. Remember the best. Best. Not it. That is in fairness of an SM that I know it's like to be the outsider and feel like, you know, like the target on your back because like it sounds like that's not what how I can't speak for that. But like everyone has their version of this like I remember I was kind of friends with Josh season. I remember being like, I'm just gonna go after this girl. And all of a sudden, I come back, and I'd have a Rosa my chest. And all of a sudden the guys be yelling at me, literally. And understood like you had a crazy how oh and again, I have a sharp tongue. I have I like I'm very like when I when I express my thoughts. Sometimes I might not say anything. But everyone knows what I'm thinking, you know. And so I understand that. I can as a strong person. I can rub people the wrong way. And I'm sure that it was a lot of that going on there. And so in like indefens- to Vanessa who else has a strong personality like sometimes those things happen that that wasn't. Why liked her? Why connected with? Natural. I don't think she was she wasn't right there. But at the same time when you are the outsider, I appreciate her point of view of of trying to justify it sucks to be the outsider. I will say that she wasn't does sometimes sometimes people make themselves outsiders earth. That's and sometimes you purposely placed that there is that too. Yeah. I really appreciate you coming on. It's so good to catch. Brian said Hello, Brian, so cool. When I when I call Rachel asked to be on this podcast. He was sitting extra during work. And you know, I haven't really got to know Brian. I met him. Once he seems like a great guy budget hearing your story, and how in your guys relationship in how he handled things Poche. Oh, you clearly got a great guy. I'm really excited for you. Guys. Sounds guy said a day. I am expecting an invitation at this point. I also will preside over the wedding that might be a little weird. But I do love you guys. And thank you for coming on. Sounds great. All right. Yes. Summer two thousand nineteen spooning. All right, guys. Thanks, thanks for listening.

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BB20 | Sunday Morning Live Feeds Update Sept 23

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BB20 | Sunday Morning Live Feeds Update Sept 23

"Mar cubes, giving a beach close enough. So that space between you and me as lose the way all dance and sway into the music girl, they embody and how you move. And every time you cross my girl Losey Alexa play the country heat playlist. Okay. With Amazon music. A voice is all you need, get tens of millions of songs, download the Amazon music app today. Every morning. Armstrong talk, big brother. Yes. Drama in sandy. Sees. You know is the reason you know. That he could do to Morrow. He will do it again. Hello, everyone and good morning. Welcome to our live feed update for September twenty. Third, I'm your host Armstrong and with me today Christian high dune Christian, I, if you know it wouldn't be a JC podcast if there wasn't something totally frantic. So I've been awake approximately three minutes, so good. There's there's like three, three or four live updates left. You almost almost I could have had perfect attendance, but no, that's not happening today. So I'm sorry, everyone that we're late. It's my fault, do not yell at Taryn. Well, we are here update you on everything that happened on the big brother, twenty life needs yesterday, and then we are going to go through the game of JC all season long week by week. We're going to go through the whole thing. We're gonna tell you everything the JC did, which is actually quite a lot. It's a lot of stuff even from his perspective. And from the real perspective, there's there's so much. Yeah, very, very active player. So this should be an interesting podcast. So just just to start you off your update you on what happened yesterday. In terms of interaction? Not much. The JC talk some more at Tyler Tyler listened some more. And then they did part two of the final three. Yeah, and it's like it was a lot of hours just waiting beforehand that then part two is over and everyone surprise KC competition as one part two of the final three age. It was actually apparently very close, like less less than forty seconds difference between JC and Casey. In part two of the final three h wage, it was a rock climbing kind of thing. There were also questions JC. A lot more of the questions. Correct. But Casey was a lot faster than him on the wall. So unfortunately for JC he ended up losing that competition and probably losing the game. However, we're still going to go over his game and figure out what he did, right? What he did wrong and all of that stuff. Well, it's the final three and we have to talk about all three of them. So get ready as we're. Yes. Was of course upset about losing. He was upset that you know to physical competitions in a row. What is that? That's nonsense and. He feels like he, he's he's very upset with himself. He wanted to go to the end with Tyler, and he's he's worried the Casey's going to get there and so on and so forth. He's still trying though going to Casey, like you think you can beat him right, like you're going to take. You know what I mean? And then he's gone to Thailand. We can't be case day one, man, we've been working Phil. We gotta make the end. We're gonna have an apartment together. It's gonna be great. He's he's really trying. Yeah. And I know at one point yesterday, Tyler was literally just sitting alone on the couch and he had just the crazies looking eyes. And he was like day one, it was like, this could actually apply to both of their too. I'm going to need more information Tyler. The closest he's been talking to the cameras all tees. Yeah. Yeah. He did. There was a great moment after the feeds came back where they were all in the kitchen, just hanging out for a while. People didn't know who won because everyone was looking somber and JC goes to go to the bathroom and Tyler in case you just kind of like peek their head around the corner because Casey was sitting on the stairs, and they're just like. Finally, like silently celebrating, and then they hear the toilet flush and they go back to like being somber, JC walks back out. Which was like, I feel like they don't have to be all so sad. Like literally every person at least feels somewhat like they're going to go to the end even with this, Jesus still trying to get people to bring him like they can actually a normal level of happy, but they're just so sick of being in that house that I feel like it's hard like they were even. Was it yesterday the day before when they were like, do you think finale is gonna be on Sunday? Do you think that we get to go home? A lot of speculation. They're really hoping that the finale is going to be today. Hopefully it's today. Maybe it'll be Tuesday, Tyler keeps going. It's going to be ones. But, but yeah, I mean, they're just like, what are we gonna do? It's all like we're just going to sit here for another three days the same people, same conversations. What are we doing in this house? And that's actually the same conversation that we are going to be having outside of south, oh, we still have to keep watching. Like I know people have been discussing, you know, maybe they shouldn't do the sped up and game like this. Like how many days do we want to watch three people in a house like it's cruel and unusual punishment for all of us. Sped up and game is is absolutely necessary. Not knuckle live jury stuff, but but yes, the. This. All right. So that's basically what happened on the live feeds. JC are, sorry. Casey and Tyler will be headed to part three of the final three h wage on Wednesday nights for the finale despite what they may hope or think. Is there going to be so sad today? It's not happening, and I do completely expect that that Tyler and Casey, we'll be taking each other, which means JC is left left out on his own here. All of this game talk. We will be doing today maybe for not, but in them for the listeners. Okay. It's just not about the game. I will. I will tell you Brent said he would be willing to do j. c. but not if you lost the fun. Far too while you're so lucky to have me then. All right. So here we go. Let's let's start talking about jaycees big, twenty twenty game. If you're not interested in JC, feel free to stand stopped the podcast here. You don't have to tweet me being like, oh, I don't care about JC. That's fine. You don't have to tell me you can just not listen. Have you been having a good week, tearing. So annoying like, hey, guys, when we talk about j. I don't care. Enough. Okay. So here we go. Let's talk about c. so JC comes into the house week one obviously, ferry nobody really thinks he's going to do particularly good job here. I mean, I, I didn't see anybody talking about JC like he was gonna do well in this game. The only person I know who is really excited about j. c. was Ryan from BB can six and I don't think it was game play reasons that he was excited about him. So yeah, I don't think nobody saw him having any sort of game accurate at all. Yes. However, he comes into the house, and I think supplies is a lot of people. The feeds were down for the first week. So there was a lot of stuff that we didn't see. But of course, the the main thing that we did see that we know that happened is that he forms a bond with Tyler in the first week, which unfortunately, for him, he's not the only one who does that, but he does. He forms a bond with Tyler. He ends up making some kind of final two with him and Tyler at the time, of course, is the h. so. This is he, he's, he's, he's forming this bond with Tyler, and he's coming up with his his strategy, his plan for the entire game in week. One. Yes. And it's honestly and so sad that he's like, what was he the second one to have the final two Tyler? She was like, yes, I believe he was the second person to form a final two. There. The one thing that came up a lot that I was surprised about going back. Obviously, one hundred days is a long time to go back over everything is how much it was brought up. The JC was definitely going to get a power up or definitely like people thought he was going to get a power up, and then he just didn't. These t. seemed like a shoe and he himself, but he was gonna to power up as well. Yeah, he was shock on. Yes. So he forms his final two Tyler. His plan with Tyler is to know he's sort of recognizing that there's two sides of the house that are forming. JC is one of the few people that is able to see that level six is coming together as a group and that they are working together. Of course, he doesn't know that they're called level six. However, he does. He sees that side. He sees the day side kind of forming together. His plan with Tyler is that they want to play the sides off of each other hiding their bond and making it to the end together like the renegades like the hitman this these are these are two guys. They're going to be playing the house the whole time. And and even as far back as a week, one week two we were talking about or at least I was talking about, like, wouldn't it be crazy if these two actually were working together the entire time playing the house? Like what? What I Dina make duo here? This could be very interesting, and I feel like that's kind of the story of jaycees game two. Is it could be very interesting that it just doesn't quite get there. So so week one, he many people do suspect that he has the first power up. He is going to be one of the main suspects for having a power up for the entirety of even even yesterday on the live Casey went, I think JC had that second power. So that's the thing JC at first. He was one of the first people to make an accusation and we didn't know what the power up yet at this time. JC knows and eventually was like, I know who it is. Brett Bret has the power of like, oh, he does not know what he's talking about these. I'm the, I'm the only one who knows I know everything, and that's also just a common thread of JC going through acting like he is all knowing when literally everything around him was having that. He's certainly not. Well, he, he wanted Steve gone this week between Steve and Sam. He was one of the few people that wanted Steve gone without even knowing what Sam was doing again. He really, he wanted to have this kind of middle group, and I think he saw Steve as a an obstacle to that that plan because Steve with somebody that was also trying to play the middle, but wasn't with j. c. j. c. had a little bit of a bond with Sam and really what wanted at this time JC had a decent bond with Haley as well and and soda, Tyler Tyler and Hayley were they were cuddling up a bit and and JC was telling telling Haley, telling Tyler like, hey, you got to flirt with Haley more. You gotta get her on board. We get her vote to keep Steve to get rid of Steve this week and and he's really trying to foster this bond between Tyler and. Haley. And I think at this point he he wants to bring Haley in inform this kind of middle with Haley. Obviously, he's going to be unsuccessful in reeling Halian, but and that's kind of the story of jaycee game where like he has a billion plans and they're all about half successful. So he's got Tyler, but but Haley, of course, is going to sort of be going more in the fetchy Fouts direction. Yeah, it's kind of interesting to think of what would have happened if this had workout instead of the Caitlyn flip in week one. Like what? I wonder what, what happened, you know, which is kind of what was going through all this. I was like more would have happened if this had worked. Haley had gone with Tyler. I feel like I still feel like Haley had the potential to do well in this game. If she had gone with good players and learned like the game, we them, I feel like she could have been a dangerous force in this house. But instead she chose specity. Right. Rockstar. You know what? I don't know why you would even say that scene rox are clearly just amazing players on the other thing too in week. One is he kind of said a little a lot into the swaggie versus Tyler conflict by, you know, pushing, you know, swaggie thinks he's running this house. He's just trying to use you. He's not really with you. And I do think that that probably had a bit of an impact in how things when later on. Yes, he was. He was never too big on the swaggie of it all. Swaggie I feel like you know. Swaggie was somebody who was acting like, hey, I'm in charge of the house and and I feel at JC was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, you're not. I'm in charge of this house. Okay. I I'm in charge of this house, so he was never really well, and also part of it was that, you know, again, he wanted Steve gone and so he was working on Haley for longtime thinking could maybe get Haley. It started to become clear that he wasn't going to get Hayley. She, you know, he quickly becomes aware that she is a bit closer festive than he would like. And so he might not be able to get that to happen in the might not be able to make Tyler and her connection happen. So he actually starts working on festive and swaggie trying to get their votes. Maybe maybe he can win. One of them over swaggie clearly has too much of his own mind. He is not able. He's unsuccessful swaggie. But again, he's half successful at basically everything he does, and he actually. Makes them has had with with Vesey. And so because fest is reacting well to his attempts, the this, this campaigning, he he keeps them communication with him, you know? Okay. Like you may not be voting with me, but like we've got something here. And so this is kind of this kind of the start of the JC fessing bond here. Yeah, and it's it's kinda strange to tune in week one. He's trying to kind of push Tyler to work with a woman. And then by the end of the season, he is desperately trying to keep Tyler away from what women. So there's another switch in the game. So by the end of the week, he does end up giving fest giving a heads up that he is going to be voting Steve out prior to the vision which is going to be important because you know he is going to be one of the swing votes here. Nobody really knew where he was going to go. They thought maybe he'd vote Sam, but he ultimately tells festive beforehand, hey, Steve has been. He's been giving me some weird looks and like just personally from my for my game, I wanna vote them out. I don't like him. JC is going to continue to play up this lone wolf sort of free agent. Wildcard thing is that I'm just, I vote for my game. I vote my conscience and for me, I have to vote Steve out this week and and he gives Vesey that heads up. So then we see it happen. Steve is victimized by vote of seven to six after Tyler flips. Caitlyn at the last minute. JC was not very involved in that plan. However, he obviously was one of the key votes there to keep Sam in the game. Yes. And then he is able to start the season of doing very good work on Thursday night when Fethi is just losing at wondering what happened. Like he's always in the room with Fethi when who live what happened, you know. And so that started off strong. We really did. So one thing to keep track of as we go along here this season we had, we had ratings every single week and so we can track how we rated jaycees game a week by week here. And in the first week of the game. Jaycees average rating between the audience and the the NFC was a five out of ten that I think he was surprised some people that he was doing better than than many people thought he would going in. But I, in particular, was very low on him. I gave him a three because I felt like despite what I was seeing in the house that he was a lot better off than I thought I was worried about him having. Genuine bonds with people because he seemed to only be close with Tyler. Nobody else at the moment. He was very a very much of free agent. I was worried about his endgame chances. How is he ever going to win the game? And and you know those two things combined. I was like, I just, I just feel like he's not long for the game. My opinion on JC would of course flip eventually because he turned out to be even better than than that week. One indicated in in my view. So, but but the average rating here was a five, the audience that we could gave him gave him a five so well and also to be fair, the early season ratings, a lot of them came out to five just because of the law of averages by. I do think that some of the concerns with JC and week one is he seemed a lot more performance. He didn't seem genuine, and it didn't seem like there was a chance that he would be able to keep up any of the good work. He was. Doing. And again, he was just doing so much. And when someone's just doing the most, especially in week, one of big brother, it's really hard to think that they're going to have any kind of jeopardy. Yes, he was also we when we asked, you know now, sorry, we don't have that information, but I started asking the audience who their favorite house guest was around week three. So once we get to week three, we'll start giving those Pantages ego. The updated rankings with math. This was so exciting. So here you go. JC he gets his way Steve ends up getting evicted. Of course, this is due to Tyler's work. However, j. c. is able to successfully say, hey, this is where my vote is going, and nobody was mad at JC after after the vision, of course, Caitlyn is going to win the HOA JR. And Tyler is going to work very hard to make sure that he follows through with the work that he was doing the previous week and convincing convinces her to back door. Swaggie JC at this point, still not even consideration to be nominated. He's generally still seen as this free agent and JC is actually going to be a pretty major supporting player here in terms of making sure Caitlyn stays on track and making sure that she has all of the false information that she needs to tobacco swaggie. Yeah. So in this week is when you see Caitlin crying, she's very upset. She says that she needed to stand up for herself and the stand up for herself part is literally a quote from JC talking to her of, you know, this is going on. They said this about you. You need to be strong. You need to stand up for yourself, like what will people think if you don't do this and not really did help a lot. Obviously, Tyler did the major work in this case, but I, the help from JC was very valuable. Yes. JC really there. There was a moment where. Tyler was pushing four swaggie to go up and Caitlyn was she was not entirely sure, and she felt like she needed confirmation from other people that swaggie was doing these things. And so Tyler j. c. in there and j. c. went in and was like, oh, yeah, yeah. He said, all of these things and killings makes me feel so much better to hear you say this j c that you're confirming to me, you know, it's coming from another source too, and so j c was really able to put that nail in the coffin for swaggie, and he spends the rest of the week being that support for Tyler, making sure that Caitlyn stays on track, giving her reassurance and generally just kind of making sure that the votes stay the way that they need to stay. So that's wagging goes home. Yes. And then the other big thing from this week is that he did do a lot of talking actually wis wagging himself. As a distraction to keep swaggie from campaigning too hard to other people who may be more likely to flip their votes? Yes. He's really working in tandem here with Tyler. Tyler tells him at one point that he's tease telling the other side that he feels like jaycee is their best chance at getting vote for swaggie because he knows the JC is the person with the strongest mind that he is not going to be swayed. He's very confident and Jason. He trusts JC to do this work and and that's exactly what he does. He he pretends to be somebody who's on the fence who might be able to vote their way. And so they do spend a lot of time focused on trying to get jaycees vote and not on people who who would matter a lot more like Caitlin who at one point may have been flipped. It would just through the little work that that had been done on her because she was a bit flippy floppy that week just a bit. Yeah. Yeah. So throughout the week, he also gets closer to Fethi and tries to draw him in a bit more after these swaggie blindside j. c. makes sure that you know. This is another thing. Another reason why I think that JC was so gung ho on making sure Vesey swaggie leaves this week because as he gets closer to see, he's realizing that Fethi and swaggie are so tight. If swaggie goes, then j. c. can step in and take the role of like friend to to. And so he's really trying to step into that role once wagging gets put up on the block jaycees unfortunate, but we gotta go with the house on this one. You know he's trying to get vote. He's trying to step into that place of, you know now, who else do you have? You've got me Fethi maybe we didn't vote together. Maybe we're not even going to vote together this week, but you have me we are going to be working together moving forward. Yeah. And I wrote start to see JC slash Fessel relationship pop out more. Would I. Yes. And he is also going to own up to his vote from the week before to everyone, including swaggie. Still citing the Steve was giving me dirty looks thing for my game. Yes. And and for the most part throughout the week, he's going to continue to be playing both sides, feeding information back and forth. Telling people like festival like, hey, you gotta watch out for for these people on the other side, telling the level six people, hey, you gotta watch out for rockstar, stuff like that. And and just generally cemented his safety, he's making sure JC is a very, very active player. And I want to try and emphasize that as much as possible every week because he's constantly doing everything he can to make sure that he stays off the block. There is a reason that JC was never nominated until the double of addiction, and it was not. It was not a coincidence he was putting in in an immense amount of work, a lot of which didn't work, but a lot of which did work and all of it kept him off the block. Even though there were a lot of times where he might have gone on the block or was close to going on the block. So a lot of that work happening throughout this week as well. Yeah. And like he is brought up actually quite a lot in these first few weeks as like a Petit. Essential. Here's who I would want to go after next. Here's what I would want to do, but just based on the way that the sides were which JC dead play a role in keeping the side separate with the way that he was talking not like majored, he did it, but he was definitely a part of it and it made it so that he was never a viable target in the early game. Yes. And so some of the details here about what he's JC is he does things like he tells Caitlin, oh, swaggie was rooting against Tyler in the veto that was that was really sketchy. This helps cement the back door on swaggie. He says that he tells Tyler that he should use the veto on Scotty and not Winston because jaycee is going to go to Scotty and coach him up on how to get Tyler to use the veto on him say, oh, you say, you'll Tyler favor. So Scotty feels like jaycees is on his side of bit. He is going, like I said, tell. Fassi that they need to vote with the house. He at this point is also very early stages of he's a little bit concerned toward the end of the week about Tyler's relationship with Caitlin. He's, he asks Tyler this week. Are you falling in love with Caitlin, and are you serious? It's like, hey, look, look. People are starting to talk. That's that's starting. Yeah. And again, it's just like he gets very concerned about his male lines members being too close with, you know, the women in the house, and this is the first part of that, and that is definitely a thread that continues through the whole season. Yes. And again, Rockstars confiding. A lot of information him because. She trusts him way too much at this point. Honestly, no reason like guess JC put in work, but he didn't put in so much work for rockstar to have that level of trust in him. Let's be real. I think we know why Rockstars just JC too much. Listen, the rockstar podcast. So anyway. So she's talking. She hates Bretton Winston and they're, they're the definition of male privilege. And the worst and JC, of course, is going to run that back to Britain, Winston to fuel their anti rockstar fire. This is again more more of the ham playing that sort of rat floater game where he's going back and forth completely. He's not caught at this point. He is completely in in the shadows doing very a very successful job of it. At this point in the game. Yeah, absolutely. And I guess we probably should have addressed upfront. Yes, j. c. is a floater being a floater is a valid and good strategy in the game of big brother. We can just stop the debate. Now. Yes, j. c. i. JC truly the floater of the season you. You might cause Tyler at the time was also playing both sides, but he was very, very loyal to one of the sides. JC was not. JC was was loyal to Tyler, and he was other than that just doing anything he could to keep himself safe for as long as possible. And he was doing pretty successful job of it. Yeah, like and it's crazy that he was successful because again, he is throwing everything the law that he can possibly have. He's throwing out names to literally everybody he talks to, and yet it didn't sketch people out to the level that they were like, Kay. We gotta take care of this problem. Yes. So swaggie is going to be victim by a vote of eight to four j. c. does again give you the heads up that he's going to be voting swaggie out toward the end of the week. And he's going to say, look, I'm voting with the house on this one. I'm sorry, man. There's nothing that can be done about it. This is of course the week that Scotty ended up flipping his vote as well. There are a lot of people that were considering voting with the house, but but none of them did except for Scotty, who did it inside swaggie t shirt, and that really. That kind of death to Scotty because he was never trust properly after that. Well, it's going to give JC some some wild ideas moving forward. So it's gonna be. It's gonna be an important part of jaycees game. So weak to comes to a close here this week, the ratings on j. c. have gone up a bit. His average rating is a six out of ten. I have. I have decided, okay, I was wrong about c. I gave him three last week. I'm up to a six this week. The audience has gone up to a six as well. And like I said, the the average comes out to about a six for the week. So people people are on the rise in terms of jaycees game. He's doing pretty well at this point. Yeah. I didn't realize that the readings were that high for him that early. I don't know why. We had into week three and Scotty is going to win the h. after casting that Hanky vote and the week is going to start off a little bit rocky for JC. He he does want Scott to go after rockstar. At this point he he'd really just doesn't like her. And he wants, he wants her to go. He's a little bit worried about his rat floater status that he might get caught after having exposed much information. So he's trying to persuade spotty. Go after rockstar, and he's going to fail here. Tyler is also going to try and fail as well. Scotty got too much of a mind of his own. Yeah. Remember when Scotty had a mind of his own. Yeah, he pushes his reasoning with Scotty is, you know, don't stir the pot too much. Don't make yourself a target. You know, rockstar was spreading your name around. You have to go over, go after her. Really. Trying to impact this decision which just didn't work out again, because Scotty, how does on mind or. Yes. However, Scotty does still feel good enough about j. c. that he does let him in on the plan. He he's still JC, gave him a lot of advice the week before you know, made it seem like he was helping them get off the block. And so he does tell JC that that I'm going to be. I'm going to be putting up Winston. Brett JC is going to run that information around the house. And he's also going to again JC just very active in trying as much as possible. Now that swaggie is gone. He's gonna Bailey and try to work her saying like, he realizes that, you know, now that now swaggie gone, people are looking at her differently and that he's willing to work with her a little too blunt there. This is going to backfire on him a bit later on, but he is making the attempts. Yeah, he's he's trying and it like half worked? Yes. The tagline for jaycees big brother, twenty game tagline. He's trying. It half worked. He, he's also he's also spending some time trying to put some cracks into the level six group. He, he tries to separate Angela and Rachel as much as he can trying to prevent them from being closed. He's talking trash about Rachel to Angela, trying to say, you know, Rachel should be the first one to go from that group. After, of course, Brenton Winston or bread or Winston, and that you know, Rachel, she's a wildcard. I was surprised to see j. c. saying, all of these things that are later going to be believed by levels. I don't know if these seeds ended up being part of what sprouted into these, the whole Rachel debacle later, but but it certainly possible. He was definitely in there before anyone else laying these sort of like Rachel needs to go. She's annoying. She's a wildcard those seeds like long before. The whole Rachel thing happened. Yeah. And we'll definitely see a lot more of jaycees game in that week. I was actually very surprised to one he's saying was that this week when he was saying that Angela trusted him more than Rachel or was it might have been later, but any was one point. Wow. Okay. Well, no, but okay. Yes. So with with with Brett and Winston on the block JC initially wants Brett out of the game, he feels like bread. He's a, he's a bigger threat and Winston, he's, he's this wildcard Winstons probably a little bit easier for JC to work with. And so he he's, he's campaigning to get Brett evicted. And at this point he is pretty anti Caitlyn. He feels like Caitlin is way too close with Tyler. It's putting a target on Tyler's back. Remember from jaycees perspective, he is in this house and he is he's, he's fine. Like even though he failed to get rockstar, targeted is fine with Brenton Winston on the block that just means we're going to take some chunk out of the other side of the house. That's fine. It's him and Tyler in the middle right now. The problem is that Caitlyn is sullying Tyler's name and dragging him down and getting him in a place where he's he's getting targeted and j. c. is hearing this. He's hearing the Tyler is being targeted, doesn't lie. It. And of course there's also the element of jealousy that that is going to permeate throughout the entire season. So he wants to try and get. He wants to make sure that Caitlyn is the one that's targeted over Tyler and to do this. He is going to campaign to get bread of victims and and put Caitlyn as the face of this. He's going to blame Caitlyn for everything that he does. So Caitlyn is the one that's really pushing for Brett to go according to j. c. and and maybe this will help not only accomplish his mission of getting bread out this week, but also make Caitlyn more of a target heading into next week. Yeah, because he really just, he pictures the game as him and Tyler back to back fighting against everybody else. And then he does, as he said, see, Caitlin has kind of the interloper that so he wants Caitlin to be the next big target. He needs her out so that he can fully focus on Tyler. It's again, just like with. Fayssal and swaggie when swaggie gone. He can pull that'll in closer. He sees that once Caitlyn's gone, the Bhandara Tyler will be even stronger and they can do more in the house and they'll be free to move a little bit more between the alliance's. Yes. And so he's telling Bret that the other side wants him gone and understand why. And JC says it's Caitlyn. Caitlin is the reason she's pushing hard for you to leave. He's also going to talk with Angeles more about Tyler and Caitlyn and how they're too close and how he wants to try and separate them. And so he and Angeles scheme, they come up with the scheming Angela's going to try and get close to Tyler. So that. She can pull him away from Caitlyn and and so that that's that's part of the scheme here. So j. c. is confirmed a matchmaker. He created his own nightmare. The. He's to is sometimes he's too good at the stuff. So. He he Brett. Something's going to go down here. You know, first of all. JC is going to get. He's going to get caught because Brett and Bailey talk Brett who has been told by by JC that Angela or that that Caitlyn is the one pushing him to be victim. He goes to Bailey and he talks about it and he's like, so like he's trying to campaign and Bailey lets him know, know Caitlyn's not pushing you to leave Caitlyn's. In fact, the only person who's pushing for you to stay and Brett is confused by that. And he says, well, that's not what I've been told. And Bailey says, well, who told you that? And Brett says, j. c. j. c. told me that which points Bailey is like, oh my God. What is j. c. doing this is really sketchy. You know, bread JC came to me earlier this week trying to pick me up as a number now that swaggie gone. Jaycees rat floater game has been exposed here a bit, and he's going to be a little bit in trouble. This is going to come back to Tyler. And in Tyler is going to give some assistance here. He helps cover for JC with Brett and then Caitlyn. However, for the most part here, especially with baileigh he his, he's, he's going to be a bit of hot water. Yeah. And Bailey says it's one of several times the season that has says, oh, just don't listen to anything. JC says, you can't listen to a word he says, and it's crazy how early that narrative started. And yet people still did just some extent listened to him import lured. Yes. So he's he is going to things are going to change because Scotty is going to end up telling Caitlyn that Britain Winston pinch pitched for Caitlin to go up as a replacement. And this was based on information that c. had given Brett saying that Caitlin was the one who is pushing for Brett to leave. So Caitlin is upset about this. She feels betrayed by Brenton Winston that they would push for her to go up as a replacement nominee. She confronts publicly. We if you guys remember this big argument that they had and he says, look, I was told that you were coming for me. Now he does not expose JC to kaitlin in this argument. However, she obviously finds out later which again, Tyler helps try to cover for JC with Caitlyn. But in this public argument JC refuses to throw anyone under the block under the bus. He just says, I was told that you were coming from me. I'm sorry if it was wrong information Caitlyn's very upset. You should have confirmed with me before you went after me. I thought we were friends so on and so forth. So this big, big public confrontation and JC is going to go to kaitlin afterward and comfort her hourly brat. He's such a Meany pants, then he's going to go to Brett afterward and say, thank you for not throwing me under the bus. You saved my life. I wasn't sure if I could trust you before, but now I know that you're a trustworthy guy. You did not throw me under the bus, and I feel much better about you as soon as he talks to Tyler after this JC says, I want to stay now. First of all, I think he's he's a trustworthy guy. Second Caitlyn's gunning for him. He's gunning for Caitlyn. That's perfect for us. Yeah. And in his conversation with red there, he literally says, I was leaning towards getting rid of you until this happened, but now I feel good about you and now I want you to stay. And I mean, literally say, someone's face is absolute lunacy. That's JC right. And Jade help start to form, you know, the seeds of the. JC Brett that never really panned out to what we wanted it to. But it was there from week three. Yeah. So this is this is what changes jaycees mind to to keep Brett in the game, which is obviously going to be important because they needed bread. Jaycees vote to keep bread around. If this doesn't happen, then who knows jaycee may not voted to keep Brett. We may have had Winston in the game. Ten have been could have been what happened. So now after being caught and after this whole thing with Brett, you know, he's he's been caught with Caitlin, and he recognizes now that like he's, he's messed up a bit Caitlyn is kind of onto him, and Caitlyn is kind of after him a little bit. So it's it's even more important for him to keep bread around as a buffer between him and Caitlin for as much as Caitlin has caught onto c. and him coming after her. She's way more pissed Brett, and that's so he needs Brett in the game. It's very important that that happens. Yes. And he uses this to try and separate Fethi and Caitlyn because we can't really forget that fessing Caitlyn did have a strong connection, and we're very close in the early part of this game and JC talks to fussy. I, I want to work with you, but I can't work with you if you're going to be telling Caitlyn everything and tries to really cement his relationship with further. Yes, he's. Hells fest at this point that your my priority in the game, he's really trying to push hard to make sure that he has as his big dumb Muppets and he's, he does still pretend that he's going to vote read out at this point because that's what he wants. And he also helps protect Tyler with Fethi saying that Caitlyn is the one that bosses Tyler around and that he feels like they can work with Tyler. If Caitlyn is not there, then you know, after this blow up JC really he does find his legs here. He still, he's solidifies his relationship with and orchestrates the new plan. He's going to blindside Fouts with his flipped vote, and he's going to frame Caitlyn for it. His goal of course, is to kaitlin evicted the next week. He does not want Caitlin in this game at this point. Not only is she at distraction for Tyler. Not only does she put a target on Tyler's back, but now she's. Even one of the few people that is naming JC as one of her potential targets. And so he wants to make sure that she is discredited and targeted in the next week as much as possible. And so he, he orchestrates this, this flip vote, that's him and Tyler. Both are going to secretly vote to keep Brett and not tell anyone what they're going to do. And and this is jaycees plan and he tells Tyler, don't tell anyone I will handle it. We will figure this out. And so that's what happens. Winston is victim by a vote of six to five. And there you go. That is the week. And then it's another week of Bessie. What happened. One is going on and jaycees in the room. Like what happened? Like what's going on, right? Just helping fuzzy, stay hopeless and confused. Yes. This week jaycees average rating had gone down slightly. It's a five, five point? Seven. Five is the average rating that he got caught this week. He did manage to pull it off, but at the time we rated this obviously, we hadn't seen the flip vote plan and this is, you know, I still had a six, but the audience had gunned down to a five this week. So the audience not quite as high on JC. So then we head into week four and right from the start JC is going to pull off this framing the vote plan flawlessly, nobody suspects JC. It causes utter chaos amongst Fouts. Fouts he had dropped some hints to Bailey prior to the vision that Caitlyn might flip vote. He's a little bit concerned. And so once the vote did flip, normally this might be seen suspicious, but coming from JC it worked the heavily suspected that Caitlin was the one that flipped and Fethi is going to come to bat for JC saying, there's no way JC flipped because he told me in both of the last votes that he wasn't voting for me. He was honest with me. There's no reason. He wouldn't be honest with me this time around. It's not terrible logic, but it's not right. It's one that's just dangerous logic to get into a specially when you're playing big brother. You cannot assume that people aren't being honest. You just can't right. Even if they had been in the past that does not mean they're going to continue to do so. And he, yeah, he goes to Bailey says Caitlyn played us all. She's gonna flip and it just helps them believe that limited flood, even though that's not. What happened here? Yes. And you know, obviously Brett in his speech, this is when he says that rockstar came to him wanting a final two that is also going to help cause chaos. Even though long-term people didn't really believe that that rockstar was that vote. This final tooth thing is going to remain in their minds for quite a while. Ultimately people are going to come down on the ultimate decision that fell today reaches is that the votes were Caitlyn in Tyler. However, JC is able to cover for Tyler enough that even if they do eventually think it's Tyler, they think that Caitlyn is the one that orchestrated Caitlyn is the one that they need to blame for it. Obviously Caitlin was not the person who did this. They think that that Caitlin and Brett orchestrated plan to the whole thing that they would have this fake fight. And then she would vote to keep him. Obviously she was the one that wanted bread gone the most, but she is the one that's going to take the bulk of the blame for it, which is exactly what j. c. wanted. Yeah, and it's just keeps going back to making Caitlyn more of a target throughout this week. Yes. And he, he's even the one that that proposes the theory that Britain Britain Caitlyn planned the whole thing like, oh, they did like, oh, yeah, of course, definitely plan the whole thing sold plausible. So Sam is going to win this this h. h and this really plays right into jaycees hand. You know, nobody really had any influence on Sam a arguably JC had the most. He's the one that she talked to the most about what she was going to do. And obviously he had an anti Caitlyn agenda and SAM's nominations are going to fit along that agenda. Basically exactly how he would want. She ends up nominating Caitlyn and Haley in JC is very pleased. Yes. And this is also the week where Sam says that jaycee is her best friend so you can't under value the relationship at that time these two little wildcards or working together, not really jaycees working SAM's there to, yes, that's him. Big brother game SAM's there to. He's going to continue to work Fethi and foster this bond. He tries to make a more of a connection between February and Tyler, especially if Caitlyn is going to be leaving. He feels like this is the opportunity to make sure that is not coming for Tyler. Tyler feels good enough about Fethi. You can keep his his players in the game. Again, Fethi still feeling like Tim and Tyler playing the two sides off each other. He's trying is one of the better competitors on this side. If you can keep Tyler safe with Fethi already safe with the other side and that he can keep fessing safe from Tyler and from potentially the other side as well fessing. Festival useful pond for him at this point. So he's really working hard to to keep all of this in play. Yeah, send this as where he puts together the conversation between Vesey anti-labour where hopefully they can bond over what Caitlyn has said and done to both of them. Manipulating them that she is controlling both of them and not if they can get on the same page to get rid of Caitlyn. He hopes that they can work together more closely to show Tyler that Fessel is more of an asset for their game. Yes. So then Feci is going to win the veto and this concerns JC because he doesn't want him to use it. He feels like he might go up on the block as a pawn. Fetchy uses the veto. He obviously doesn't want to save Caitlin because he wants Caitlin to leave, and and even if Vesey doesn't use it on Caitlyn, even if he uses it on Haley, he feels like that might put them in a spot where Caitlyn doesn't go because somebody else will be on the block next to her. So he tries to get to not use the veto he. But he's, of course unable to convince fessing firs persuasive as JC could be with with. Ultimately fest sees only priority was was Hayley. Yes. And especially at this point in the game, faily wasn't as the stablishment obviously as they become by the end. So that's wants to, you know, prove prove himself the Knight in shining armor, and he one point he's talking to Haley about it and Haley's we'll, but didn't you tell JC you're not gonna use it and he's like, jaycee going to be fine. Don't worry about it. And so he does use the JC does not want him to. And this is one JC almost goes up on the block, but he speaks up in the moment. Well, after he fails with festival, he does try to convince this is again, it's more example of of who was in this game. He tries to convince Bessie to not use the veto for. He gives reasons for like you should be loyal to me and not used to be bad for me. You should not use it because it would be bad. You should not use it because it would be bad for Haley. It would be bad for your alliance. None of this works with Bessie. So then you normally somebody would be like, I failed not j. c. j. c. goes to Haley and tries to convince Haley you don't want the vita to be used on you. You don't want to be taken off the block because if you get taken off the block, then rockstar, we'll take your place and rockstar, we'll go home over Caitlyn, whereas you will not go home for Kaitlyn. If you want Caitlin to leave, you have to be the one sitting next to her and he actually is fairly successful at convincing Haley that she doesn't want to taken off the block Haley tells Vesey. I don't even know if I want you to use the veto on me and not just because he doesn't want to be in his debt. But also because genuinely she's, she says too many people. I actually feel like I don't want want rockstar to replace me rockstar, we'll go home. I know I, I'm feeling pretty good that I'm safe. So. He actually does a decent job. Of course, Fethi wouldn't care what Haley said. It's not about doing what Haley says. It's doing what he feels like. We'll put Haley in his debt. So he is going to still use the veto and yes, as you mentioned mid ceremony, Sam is about to say that she's going to put c. on the block. This would be his first time touching the block, of course because he would be somebody that nobody would vote out. But mid ceremony, he says, no, don't do this. I would not do this to you and she says, okay, fine. Rockstar take a seat and he he's able to like who else would have thought to do that other than j. c. he is so is he tries so hard in this game, and he is constantly working as much as possible. Mid ceremony, he's telling Sam, not to do this any prevents himself from being nominated. I think you'd have to give him kudos for that. Yeah. I feel like that particular moment of the season is where a lot of people started to turn on fess thinking better of him from an audience perspective, whereas he was already getting people were impressed with them. They didn't expect this level of game play from him. But at that moment when it's like, wow, in the veto ceremony, he literally changed his fate and made sure that he stayed also block and ensured his safety. That's huge. We've never seen before. It was. It was pretty pretty impressive. So we're going to go from pretty impressive to to not impressive as this is also the week, I believe where jaycee is going to j. c. and Bailey they've had this contentious relationship. Ever since he got caught with her the previous week, and they're going to get into an argument about the n. word and this is important for the game because he's never going to recover from this with Bailey. Bailey is after this point going to continue to call JC some unkind things about his height in very derogatory ways. Throughout the rest of her time in the house? Yeah, he really that it started as a conversation that wasn't going in a bad direction and that just went off the rails completely the he didn't show the understanding compassion to get Bailey back and it really did in hurt him so much with Bailey and he never recovered from that. Yes. So that's important to note here because as he's in the middle of making sure that Caitlin leaves this week because she is basically the only person in the house that's really coming after him. He really solidifies one more person Bailey is now somebody that is potentially you're going to be targeting him. That is not happy with him. So he is going to pretty quickly shift to wanting Bailey out after after this and some more events in the future. But for now this week he does not want Baillio. He's still doesn't like he feels like he's, he's, he apologized and he feels like it's fine for now, but that resentment is going to stick with Bailey, and she's going to let that show in future weeks and jaycees going to catch onto that and feel like, okay, I need Bailey out. So he also yes, he discovers the love triangle. He lets between Caitlyn and Tyler lets them know he tries to orchestrate this meeting between them. He he's then going to have to fight Tyler for the first time in the season. He is in disagreement with Tyler. Tyler wants Caitlin to stay. JC says, what are you talking about? I've made all of this happened just to kaitlin gone. What do you mean? We're not. I mean, yes, I don't want rockstar here either, but Caitlin is the threat here. Caitlyn is causing harm to your game. She's one of the few people that has my name in her mouth this. I'm not we. We need Caitlyn go. Yeah, and Caitlyn's coming second in all these competitions, she's so dangerous. She's such a competition bee's. We need to target her now. Yes. And so he, he really tries hard. Tyler says, don't do cheese. She is my puppet. Like I've I can. Control this girl and jaycees like, no, you don't. You are, you know your your being controlled by her. You're, you're being blinded by this. He did not. He does not trust Tyler. It's funny because throughout the game, JC does a lot of work to help Tyler and dialer does a lot of work to help j. c. however, whereas where where Tyler genuinely feels like, oh, jaycees doing good work to help me JC feels like the he does not. He does not really understand how much work Tyler is doing to help him. And a lot of this of course is because he doesn't realize just how much influence Tyler has little six. But also he just he doesn't trust that Tyler is good enough to do this work. Tyler is telling him I can keep you safe with Caitlin and JC doesn't believe that Tyler's capable of that, he feels like again, he sees this. He sees this is Dan in Memphis, Derrick Cody, and he's the Dan or the Derek and Tyler is the Cody or the. Memphis, and like it's cute that you think you can do all of this on your own. But without me you're nothing. So I need to make sure that we are going in the right direction. Yeah, exactly. And he really Tyler's biggest blinds blind spot of the entire season is he doesn't realize exactly what Tyler is actually doing because jaycee is a legend in his own mind. He is running the entire house. He is making all this happen, and yet him in Tyler are working together, but he really sees himself as this, you know, this big player that he is the next great. You know, it's going to be Dr wilt Dan JC, right? At least jaycees mind. That's how he feels right. So he's going to push really hard to make sure Kaitlyn leaves. He pushes hard to the rest of level six as well, and they are pushing back a little bit, but he's really liked. He is really trying to make sure this happens. They say, no, but we should be keeping Caitlyn. He does not succeed in convincing them in the moment. However, it is a motivation for. Them to end up keeping Caitlyn because they don't want Jesse pissed off at them. They don't want to flip to the other side, so they're worried about that. And so they part of them wants to. Just say, okay, we're giving into what you want j. c. j. c. is going to actually win the battle between Tyler and himself in terms of who he wants victim. However, he gets a massive assist by Caitlyn herself who, as we all know from that weak really shoots herself in the foot. Quite a bit. And despite the fact that JC provided a lot of incentive for level six to flip over, I would say Caitlyn gets most of the credit there with again, assist by JC. Yeah, one that's the week that we were talking about rockstar, and Caitlyn were basically fighting to be victim. Neither of them were campaigning particularly effectively. And then back to the Tyler j. JC relationship. This is where I know we're not. It's not the podcast, but Tyler does good work by letting JC have his way sometimes because if he had an they wouldn't have been together so tightly for so long, and it's important to recognize that as part of jaycees game. Yes. So after Tyler, after the rest of level six flips in in terms of wanting to keep Caitlyn around Victorian, Tyler goes back to JC and says, all right, we'll we'll take out. That's fine. I'm on board and they reaffirm their bond together and they're. Closer than ever. They talk about their end game plans. JC wants them weak players in the game to to bring to the end with them. People like Kaley people like Casey people like Bailey. He wants these people in the end with them so that they can. They can have a strong shot at winning toward the end. Caitlyn is of course, then going to be a victim by a vote of nine to one where j. c. is going to cast once again, thank you vote in order to cause some more chaos doesn't tell anyone about this, including Tyler and to this day, nobody knows that jaycee cast this vote to keep Caitlyn in the game. Yeah, and it's it's interesting because a lot of times we talk about these Hanky votes how they always come out, how they're never a great idea. We had just famously seen it below up and big brother, Canada this year, and JC shows that you can have a little bit of fun with us and it can work out for you. Yes, you know, he was so successful the previous week. I think that he felt like this is a perfect opportunity to make sure that somebody else ends up taking some blame and causing some more chaos because he feels. Like, you know, not only is he playing the two sides off each other. He's trying to cause dissension within their own ranks as well with enough chaos. He's truly the little finger of the house with enough chaos, distracting everyone. Nobody can take the time to target somebody like JC when they're worried about their own alliance. They're worried about the other side of the house and c. is just that free agent that's hanging around being cute as j. would say. So that's that's jaycees plan here this week. Jaycees average dips a little bit more to a five point. Five, of course, these ratings happened before the victim. So at the time we gave this rating, he was trying and failing to get Caitlin victim and it seemed like even if he did get Caitlyn evicted, she would not stay victim because she was supposed to be returning with the the bonus life. I, I'm still so traumatized. I. But you know what it worked out that she was gone and again. Yeah, he, he helps create this chaos. He truly sees it as a louder and by creating all of this, it makes it's what he's not a feasible target. Even if people are talking about targeting him, it's like, well, we can't waste our time on getting JC out because we need to worry about, you know, these cohesive groups rather than JC who's by himself? Yes. And I did forget to mention also last week when I started to ask who your favorite house guest is in the big brother, twenty house on the round table forms JC about four percents of the vote, not particularly high, and he is going to hover around four percent here. His percentage goes up a little bit. It's about four point seven in week, four and it's gonna. It's gonna continue to hover around four percent for a few more weeks. So that's that's about where we're JC stands with the the fan favorites th. Status he would not do so much problematic shit. It wouldn't be so low. So we head into week five where Bailey is going to win the wage, but. So he is going to avoid detection for the Hanky vote. However, people are going to start to think like he's worried that people are gonna think it's Tyler. So which I think is something that he didn't really consider Tyler a good job of deflecting on his own. But but JC feels like, okay, crap. Like who? You know, I don't want it to fall on Tyler. Okay. So let's let's firm Scotty, Scott is an easy person to frame he flipped vote before. So he he knacks operation frame Scotty, part one. There are many parts to this operation and he's very successful. He, you know, he casts a lot of suspicion on Scotty who admitted to his previous flips vote, Bailey initially intended on potentially back door and Scotty with her your wage. It didn't last for very long because Gotti is genuinely incredibly loyal to her, and it's very hard for her to not see that even though. So only can't say, make judgments based on what Fethi saw or what he didn't see. So nobody suspects JC is thank you. He was pushing the hardest of all people for Caitlin to leave. So why would Scott? Why would jaycee the person that voted to to keep her. So with Bailey's h your wage, she is distracted a little bit more a little bit with Scotty, but ultimately that does not go anywhere. However, this suspicion of Scotty is going to remain in the air and help JC when he needs it later JC unfortunately for JC like I said, Bailey after after getting Caitlyn out, who is the one person who had JC in her mouth, Bailey is the one person that that can't win the h. baileigh is the one person that's thinking about j. as somebody that she might wanna put up as a pawn at all. And she ends up winning this h. of course, after their their whole argument with the n. word stuff. So you manage to get Caitlin out, but now Bailey's here and this is going to cause some trouble for him. However, jaycees social connections are actually pretty decent here, even if Palin, it's David the game, he did have Tyler to protect him there and with baileigh yet fessing to protect him infest the actually does a decent job here of. Protecting him Bailey once j. up on the block as a pawn and Feci is the one to come in and go to bat or JC telling Bailey that he, she should not be putting JC on the block c as an asset to him, and that instead she should put Rachel on the block and what an important moment this is, I think this is incredibly underrated as in terms of its importance on the season. Because if Bailey puts JC here, she does not reveal her power to Rachel. Rachel obviously doesn't go home. I imagine that that Brett is the one that ends up going home this week or potentially JC, but not as likely. So there's a lot of a lot of interesting stuff here. Yeah, and it's it's actually kind of interesting when Bailey is talking with Rachel when they're when Rachel finally like, okay, you can put me up on the block, which is the start of her downfall. Bailey is worried that jaycee will freak out so much. If he goes on the block, she calls him a munchkin says she doesn't want him losing it on her, and she just doesn't want to deal with putting JC up since he's gonna freak out. And so that's when Rachel's like, okay, well, whatever you can just put me up, which then leads to her freaking out and her subsequent affection, which you know in another role that could have been JC could've been JC. So because of because of this, you know, because he's been working on for so long. Has this in with baileigh fess he's able to keep Jasey off the block g does come in and seal the deal with with baileigh afterward. And you know, he does have this sort of persona of like his not worth putting on the block if you're not going to send him home. So there you go that he, he does. He does remain largely due to fest. Casey is actually going to be the person that is fighting with here in terms of influence, it's going to be festive versus Casey. Casey's pushing for JC too. Go up on the block so that Rachel doesn't go up in the buck. Casey makes some decent progress with Bailey, but she is going to get out influenced by by in this moment and. JC is going to remain safe for the week here and and of course, of course, the j. c. does not believe Vesey when fest tells him I kept you off the block. Yeah, he's like, well, I've been doing that for you this whole season, so don't worry about it. And he said, he says, like, hey, look, what happened? Last week? I I, I was in charge of making sure that Caitlyn left and and it happened. And I kept you safe that I've kept you safe and. He's, he doesn't believe that had the influence to. He really thinks he kept himself safe and he thinks that he has kept safe this entire season, and he shows absolutely no appreciation for Fessel here. Yes. So of course, Tyler is going to win the power of veto. And again, just I can't even describe all of the conversations that jaycee has JC is constantly checking in with every single person in the house. He, he does not leave a single person on talked to, and when Tyler wins the veto, he goes around to every person and gives them incentive, gives them reason for not wanting Tyler to use the veto because he knows that if Tyler uses the veto, there's a very good chance. He goes up on the block. So he just you make sure that everybody thinks shouldn't use the veto. You might go up on the block, something might change something bad might happen. And so then he with everybody agreeing with him, he makes he's able to go to Tyler and be like. Don't use the veto. Nobody wants you to use it and all of this stuff just doing a lot of work to make sure that he stays off the block this week. Tyler, of course, is not going to use the veto because he's he's worried that Angela might go up even though it is possible that j. c. or Scotty could have gone up. And at this point he doesn't really care who who leaves. He had been putting a lot of work into make Rachel seem like a wild card that should go, but but he's at the very least claiming like, oh, look, I pushed really hard last week. I don't wanna push my luck this week, so Tyler makes him promise. If I don't use the veto, then you need to vote Rachel out. And so Jason. Okay, we're good. So he's fine with this. I do think there are a couple of other motivations that did actually want Rachel out. First of all, if votes Rachel out over Brett, that's against as wishes, and he is able to frame Scotty with another Hanky vote and continued to get these. These people worked up there. There's also he's not particularly concerned about a women's alliance, but taking Rachel out secures the the fact that there won't be obviously, this is something that's been growing in terms of momentum this week, the women's alliance. So JC obviously not being a part of that is like, well, if we take a woman out, that's good for us. Also. Finally, he does have a better working relationship with Brett than he does with Rachel ever since that whole Brett versus Caitlyn fight. He has been working on Brad just a little bit. So there are a lot of a lot of reasons here that that he wants. He would want Rachel out over breads and. He all. He's also happy that the that the level excite is losing another person. They're continuing to even the sides here. Yes, he wants to make sure that the sides are not too lopsided that he gets to stay in the middle. And this is also where you know more framing of Scotty. This is where operation Scotty is. My BFF comes out with Tyler, and this is where Bret is spending time with Scotty for the sole purpose of ensuring that jaycee will be able to lame the vote on Scotty moving forward. Yes. And the reason why I think so. I think he had reasons to want to stay. However he didn't want to push his luck in terms of voting against fatigue and like this. He was a little worried about that. I think that's why he was on the fence. So it was Tyler said, we'll, we can blame Scotty. It will look like Scotties taken the fall for all of these votes. And that's sort of that plus the fact that he promised he would vote Rachel out if Tyler didn't use the veto is what is going. To allow JC to feel like, okay, I'm willing to take this shot. We can blame Scotty and so you JC then helps orchestrates operation frame Scotty part two. Yes, yes. So Tyler is going to have a lot of a system in with this one where you know he's gonna make sure Brett is hanging out with Scotty, a lot to build up the suspicion. J. c. is going to play up to say that he really wants Rachel stay. He is. He's a loyal number to them, and he does something else that's really clever, which is he tells Rachel that she has his vote like you have my vote, but don't tell anyone. I don't want anyone to know that you have my vote. And of course he knows that Rachel is gonna go tell people I've got JC, but he didn't want me to tell anyone which really makes it look like jaycees obviously going to be voting for Rachel to stay because why would he tell her not to tell anyone if he wasn't actually planning on voting that way. So this a lot of work here to make sure that Scotty is going to be framed. Yes. And he uses Rachel's, you know, she totally was freaking out this whole week, and he uses that to get the information that he wants disseminated through the entire house. Another part of this week that I found very interesting was when he's talking to Tyler about how he has not. Won any competitions yet, and he feels that it's it's soon time for him to do that. And Taylor says, no, all win competitions. You're the social game guy, and I feel like he Tyler says that to JC one time and that really frames JC talks about himself. The rest of the game. Like he starts saying things like, I'm really gonna talking. I can convince anyone I can flip votes. I can do this and he doesn't really bring up not winning a competition again after this, and it really just took very little from Tyler took some on that. Yes. So. Another thing to point out is that he does get in trouble with Sam this week because they see clips from the show and they see when c. falls from the endurance competition. She thinks that he threw the competition and they're gonna get into a bit of an argument there. That it comes a little bit into play, kind of sours, their relationship up until that point. You know, Sam was talking about j. c. one of her best friends. They never really recovers from that with his relationship with Sam. So kind of important to note there. So Rachel is then evicted by a vote of five to four another blindside for and and j. c. going to operate once again with with the the plan here to frame Scotty jaycees rating this week has been bumped up here to six point two, five. So jump from the last week. Yes, people are. People are getting more and more on board. The j. c. train that they're feeling better about him. And I think I'm trying to think one week you said JC train. It reminded me that I what I was going through everything. There's a point where he's like, I'm going to tell JC to get on the train or he's gonna get run over, and that's just. Yes. Really big, big, big, train train. Okay. And then again, he is in the room with Jay when they are trying to determine who flipped what happened. There's just no trust in that group and that really does benefit j. c.. And he did contribute to that lock of trust that can't be understated. Yes. This is jaycee at Peake little finger of week six. He Angela is going to win the HR wage and he causes some serious chaos within. They are all he masterfully plays them off of each other as they get into the. He's in a room with them. It's it's like a who done it, and they're trying to figure out which one of us is the killer and they are blaming every single person in that room except for JC. He does a really, really good job here. He, he has Scotty completely. In the dark in terms of like Scotty, wasn't Hugh, right? No, it wasn't me and. It's like, okay, well, I'll try and keep you safe this week and all of this stuff. It's it's, it's it's very, very impressive stuff. He, he's, he's got them blaming rockstar at one point. He's got them blaming Scotty, he's got Fethi. He, he, he sticks up for Haley to Fethi in a way that makes Fethi paranoid about Haley like it's it would never be Haley would never do that to you. That would make you look like the dumbest man in America Haley was doing that to you. There's no way that Haley would be making you look so stupid like that, like very good stuff from JC. Yeah, Haley would never. I mean, true. She wouldn't. Yes. So so at this point, JC did find out about Bailey's power through through Tyler previous to Brett. Outing them. However, he so he, he, he wants to make sure that Bailey goes home this week, Bailey is his target. Bailey has a power Bailey is against ill. The one person that might come for him. He did have to rely on Fethi obviously though he thinks it was himself the previous week to remain on a lot of work. He doesn't want to have to do that again. Yes. So it really like anytime somebody mentions JC as target in this game, they go home and we're gonna continue to see this happen to Bailey is his target here this week. And that's, that's the plan here. Angela is planning on taking Bailey out. However, there's a wrinkle in the week, and that is the hacker competition after the hacker twist competition. He again, he's the only person they're all waiting around waiting for the hacker to make their nominations. They're getting called to the diary room one by one. Obviously, we know Haley ended up winning this competition and she ends up nominating Tyler, but JC is going around to people like Scotty who he thinks might have won this competition saying, you know, it would be really dumb if the hacker put up Tyler because obviously Tyler can just win the veto and then everything will not work out. He's trying to protect Tyler. He knows he's not in danger of being nominated at this point and he's trying to make sure that Tyler doesn't get put up on the block. Of course, he does not get too. He does not get to Haley in time and Haley is going to put Tyler on the bus. So in other attempts that ends in failure, but an attempts on the less? Yes. But I mean, he tried and it was really like this early to middle part of the game was so fun. And so interesting. And I do think that JC was a big part of that, like he was constantly just trying things and I think you know, as much as on a personal level, a lot of people including myself do not like c. we have to accept that he created a lot of entertainment and as a game player, he did provide a lot rate. So he I'm trying to think if he had gone to Haley at that point, what he had even been able to stop her from putting up Tyler though, because I'm not one hundred percent convinced of that anyways. I mean not probably not, but I don't think Haley was like dead set against Tyler. Like, you know, maybe maybe if he had said the right thing, she could have gone after somebody else. It's certainly possible, but, but obviously, you know, I mean, I think if she had talked to anybody. Easy. Like even if it wasn't, I think she talked to festival, or I think that if you talked to anybody other than maybe rockstar, I think she would have put somebody other than Tyler on the block potentially and certainly would have picked somebody different to play in the video. So so so tired ends up going up on the block. Jaycees not happy about this, and he is getting increasingly annoyed with with Haley enter relationship with. Ever since festivals veto on Haley. He's been kind of, you know, he, he's going in order. Festivals the beetle and Haley he needed Caitlyn out that week. So Caitlyn left, then it would get got into. He found out the Bailey was close to putting them on the block and she had a power. So we needs Bailey out next. But he's starting to think maybe Haley should be my next target here. Maybe I should get the target put on Haley next in order to eliminate her influence over Fethi. Fethi. So that's, that's that's in his mind here. Yeah, and it just it goes back to when he was worried about Tyler and Caitlyn, and earlier in the season when he was worried about Haley, he doesn't want them men that he is working with that he perceives himself to be controlling to be distracted by a woman. He doesn't want them to have any other place to go except for to him. He'd needs to be their number one that he can maintain that control and continue building the chaos and the game. Yes. So we are going to see Angela quote, unquote, win the veto. Tyler wins the veto and gives it to Angela and JC is once again, going to prepare here to flip the vote because with Angela, removing Tyler from the block, of course. Rockstar is going to go up in his place, and it's going to be rockstar, verses Bailey. And j c wants to ensure that Bailey leaves, he is astonished at how terrible rockstar is the game because she's talking about, like, you know, I don't think Bailey was the hacker and he's like, what is wrong with you? Why are you campaigning for the person you're sitting next to? This is a trophy behavior, like even if you think that, why are you saying that, right? It is also important to mention here that he is particularly upset with Bailey because he is not happy with the way Bailey is acting. This is when they have the potato chip situation. JC just wants a trip and Bailey snatches the bag out of his hand and he's like, I will do whatever it takes to get out of this game. I will jeopardize my own game to do it. I'm going to be eating those chips in the veto ceremony when she goes up and it's just he is totally done with her and. So annoyed with her ever. Since that argument Bailey has been very anti j. c. and and he's really, he's really discovered that and and it's really turned into something here that they haven't been able to repair. Of course, the whole Haley admitting she was the hacker thing happens. The Bailey with plumbing teeth thing happens. JC is going to comfort Tyler after the fact and rant about Bailey. I believe just yesterday on the feeds JC was telling Tyler like like the one time you got into a fight you cried. I don't think you're the villain, dude. It's always so fun when they remember the time, you know, remember that time you cried and that is definitely the JC move to write as he is not gonna be like over member. The good times we had remember how much fun we had that time when you got in a fight and you cried about it so weak, you're not. The villain is so JC he, he wants to make sure the bay leaves here. Bailey's is biggest threatened the game at this point. And so he prepares once again to flip the vote and obviously Fouts as not expecting this, but he doesn't want to push his luck too much says he's gone too many times voting and having to having to do this Anki vote thing. He's been very successful at it, but he doesn't wanna push luck wants to be honest about his vote this time, at least somewhat honest. So he remains very vague about his vote for most of the week claiming. He doesn't want to say what is vote is because he doesn't want the hacker to nullify it. And they don't really mind that he's not telling them because again, he, it's, it's back to the early weeks where jaycee he's kind of this, this free agent. He's kind of a wild card. He's going to vote. Whichever way he feels is right. He kind of doesn't like either of them so who knows where he's going to vote. But ultimately it doesn't really matter because we have the votes. Anyway, we've got Brett. So that's kind of where they're what they're feeling for most of the week. Yeah. And this is the hacker competition really does help j. c. insulate himself a little bit because he does really rely well. I don't know who the hacker is. So I can't tell you what I'm going to do. And if that competition had not been a part of the season, he would have been forced to be at least slightly more open about it because he wouldn't really have the excuse of this is why I don't want my boat to be talked about. And I think that that this actually backfires because I think that he, he relies on that a little too much as the crutch. And so this, this, this new strategy of being honest at the last minute for JC is going to backfire and a pretty hard way coming into the next week. So basically what he does is at the last minute he goes to Scotty until Scotty, hey, we don't have the votes, so because we don't have the votes. I'm going to be voting this other way. And Brett is is in on this too, and it's it becomes this big mass of a situation and, and you know, so they're all like, oh my God, we don't have the votes all of a sudden, and they all end up flipping their votes. And Bailey ends up being a victim by vote of six to one and the one being Sam. Of course, the the level six people, Casey and Tyler in particular failed to secure SAM's vote. And after the vote, the Fouts people are going to realize, hey, if we had stuck with our votes, then we could have kept Bailey in the game. And so what the hell was JC on about this is super sketchy between what's ended up, would Sam ended up doing and the whole sketching of c. Basically Scotty in particular is going to be like, wait a minute. Hold on, hold your horses, and that's going to be the end of this week. So interesting stuff there. Yeah, it ends Scotty saying just JC arranged the votes every week so that he can blame it on other people. Yeah, yes. So jaycees average rating this week is six point five. It's bumped up a little bit more. It's he especially the Peake little finger situation. I think really helped him out in terms of that. And Bailey is going to be our first jury member. Bailey, of course, is leaving the house not liking JC, calling him munchkin. They never really connected again after that. That argument and she, she's not. She's not somebody that g c can count on for a vote in the jury against really anyone in terms of at least, you know. You know, like JC is never going to get Bailey's vote as like, oh, I'm so happy that JC one. If he gets Bailey's vote, it's going to be because she hates the other person more. Yeah. And the total death of his relationship with baileigh, which to be fair was never super strong. It does show a major weakness nj sees game where he, he has trouble admitting that he was wrong in any situation game and otherwise. And if he had just been willing to say, you know I was wrong and I'm sorry, and I've learned something from this and I will will not do it again. He probably could have actually salvage out relationship a little bit more because it's not like Bailey had so many places she could turn to, but his Bernez and his unwillingness to admit that he's wrong is a major failing jaycees game. Yes. So moving into week seven JC has been caught. He's finally been cut. Scotty is onto. Him Scotty is saying, you know, JC. Okay, JC he clearly, we had the votes in JC, talk this out of it. This last second thing it seemed like he was trying to set me up to vote the wrong way. I've been. I've been being framed all season long. Has it been? Has it been JC this whole time? And this is Scott is going to really cement this idea into his own brain Scotty is now just just as JC gets out the last of his enemies. Another one is created in Scotty, and Scotty is a dangerous enemy because he's very good at competitions, and he is not as easily persuaded away, especially from by people like fest, but that's not even all of jaycees problems this week because he's not only caught with Scotty, but Haley is going to win this h and she has just. Recently reconnected with Scotty and Scotty told her the week before that that Fethi had made an alliance of final three with Bailey and Scottie, and that that was the thing. So Haley was very skeptical in this time they get into a fight and. Feci wants to know who told you this who is who is tearing you away from me, Lisa and. And so. Haley's Haley will not tell him, so especially decides to offer up some information of his own. In order to get the information from Haley in order to reconnect with Haley, he says, well, you know, I've been told that you have been doing things behind my back and she's who's been telling you that and specially decides. All right. Here we go. If he tells if I tell you the new till who's been telling me and so throws JC under the bus in order to get the information about Scotty. So now not only Scotty against JC, but Haley has finally discovered, oh my God. JC has been infest easier. Trying to get him to turn on me. She lets rockstar, no. And now both Haley and rockstar are very anti JC. They don't trust him at all. Scotty is anti JC and all three of those people are going to spend the entire week trying to convince Fethi you have to drop JC. He is no. Oh, good for you? Yes. And so j c works with Fethi this week, trying to convince him that Haley is more with Brett than with him, trying to separate them to protect himself insulate himself. And this is also the week where Tyler very frankly warns j. c. you are going to be a target. If you continue playing sides like this, there's payoff to when Tyler called JC the social game guy because jaycee literally says, you win competitions. I flip votes because he truly believes that he has been the sole person behind these vote flips, and he really does think that he has been completely running all of this. Yes. So this is this is not good, not good for JC. Halian rockstar talking about potentially nominating him if they get the hacker power. However, he does still have enough clout in the house that they are not willing to pub-. Publicly nominate him similarly to Tyler, they will only feel comfortable nominating him as the hacker. And even then it would still only be as a pond. So his general work of positioning himself in the middle as a free agent and causing chaos is still good enough that even if he is put up, it has to be anonymously and it has to be only still as a pawn, still not quite target. They have bigger fish to fry. Yeah, he's never feasible target that they can actually root for him to go home because they still kind of need him, right. They need the number and they need to be able to to deal with him they, they can't outright target him because they know that that will put them at a disadvantage. Yes. And so over the course of the week here, obviously, Haley is going to end up putting Angela in Casey on the block, Casey wins the hacker power rockstar goes up. All of this happening. All of its kind of relevant to jaycees game who's kind of focused on putting. All of these fires because it's like, look, if somebody from level six initially had tried to get Sam on the block, but because Sam had clearly just voted as a wildcard and he's like that because there's really Sam is the one that ended up screwing him because that's what really caused them to recognize. We had the votes, JC caused us to not vote that way. So he's like, well, let's get Sam up on the blog that obviously didn't work. Then he's focused on putting all these fires. Scotty is convinced. Now that has been the thorn in his side all season long and is trying so hard to get. And the rest of them to flip on him and JC is going to find out about this. He he finds out that Scott. He is campaigning hard against him. He finds out that Hayley and rockstar have been talking about him behind his back. And this is when he realizes, oh my God. I've been caught in a major way. This is this is not good. I need to reevaluate. And he essentially, this is a pivotal moment here he'd, he decides, okay, I, I've lost these people. I need to. If I'm going to move forward, I, he tries to win them back in. It's not working. And so he goes, you know what? I need to to bed myself with level six. Then obviously it doesn't know they're called level six, but he he knows the group of people working together and he decides I need to sever some of my ties over here because they're all they're all like against me. They're not trusting me at this point. So let me try and ingratiate myself into this other group, find some cracks and and get myself in here. All protect myself. Insulate myself. I'll prop them up as bigger threats than me. So these people who are mad at me right now don't come after me. I because they have bigger fish to fry and I'll try and find my way to the end with more of these people than. These other people who are coming after me, yes. And this is where jaycee recognizes that he really can't hide anymore to the same extent that he has in the past and he he sits down with us on. He says, I tried to work with this team. There's no teamwork in this group guys just can't get on the same page and he does put in work to try and maintain their relationship with fessing while also, you know, totally just jumping out of that side. He recognizes that he can't continue the way that he's been going. Yes. So again, I know we, we see we generally saw this from the outside perspective of, okay. Now, JC is working with six in earnest jaycees perspective. He saw this group of people that had been somewhat fractured because Bret has been playing this role of, I'm kind of pissed them. And so j c season opportunity key sees that he's again, it's still him and Tyler versus the two sides of the house. The two sides of the house. Right now are you know. Haley rockstar Fethi, and Scotty and Haley rockstar, and Scotty, or all fervently against JC. At this point Scottie Scottie saying that jaycee is his main target next week, which is even worse than Haley and rockstar, who might just put him up as a pawn. And then the other side of the house is Brett, Angela, Casey and Sam, Sam just voted as a wildcard. She's kind of not in that group. She's been fractured a bit from that group that she was never really working with that group just a number that was being used by them. Anyway, he sees Brett as a bit a little bit more of a separate piece from that group because he's he was mad about the veto thing and he's been acting and playing this wildcard. This lone wolf. I land. And so he feels like Tyler, of course also working with them. But Tyler in his mind is more loyal to him. So he feels like, okay, I can. You know, I was trying to play these sides off against each other. But at this point in time, all of these people are against me. None of these people are against me. There are fractures here that I can exploit Tyler can help me get in here. It's time to work with level six. And this is the decision that he makes obviously this is from his perspective and it does kind of make sense from his perspective, although he has some wrong reads here, and so Tyler does help him. Tyler tells Bret like, hey, jaycees ready to make the move in with us. You need to get close to him. You need to work on your relationship with him and and j. c. is going to really try to make this work tried to to get himself into this group. And it's his goal now. Okay. I now need to create some fractures here. I need to. Get some cracks going and and make my way forward with with the level six. Yes. And it is also worth noting that even Scottie who is now wanting to target in the game, does not know who he can put JC up against JC. We'll go home. So that is to jaycees credit even when he has totally alienated. One of the two sides will not totally, but very much so he's still isn't a viable target because he, he wouldn't go home for the most part. Yes. So he is going to spend the rest of the week again, being vague about where votes gonna go again, they don't really mind because they think the votes are going their way anyway, and he is going to once again. He doesn't drop some hints like, hey, I know people are talking about me and is not really forthcoming with with the knowledge that like, yeah, they're against you. So JC obviously, when it comes down to the vote, once rockstar to go Rockstars, talking about him as somebody that she wants out of the house and obviously he can. He can work with. With the with the level side. So JC is he's, he's going to. He's going to spend some time bonding with Brett and he's going to come up with operation frame Scotty, part three. Well, you know, there's nothing quite like a trilogy. Right. So keep going with it. The other thing too. Sorry is that he works with Fayssal. He's like, I can keep you in good with Casey, like I'm good with Casey. I can protect you if this happens like he does put in some work with as even though he has mostly cut with the other side. Yes, so, and it's important for him to he is back onto the frame Scotty plan because he needs Scotty to go the next week. Scottie is actively targeting him. Scotty is going to try to get him out of the house. And this is the most danger. He has been in all season long Hugo caught in a major way, but he once again is going to really get his feet under him. He fortifies himself within level six. He gets closer to Brett. He comes up with the scheme to frame Scotty and and the best part about this plan is that Brett is the one that's going to take all the heat if it fails. So I, it's it's no no blood on jaycees hands and he can potentially take out his. Biggest threat in the game. So by voted to one rockstar is evicted and jaycees average rating this week has fallen into a five point five. Once again, he was caught. This was a bad week for him. He does turn it around by the end of the week a bit, but but especially in the middle of the week, when we did this rating, it was looking really bad for JC. Things were not looking up, so not the greatest rating and then rockstar is going to leave the house, not feeling great about JC feeling like he's a bit sketchy. He's untrustworthy, he's betrayed her confidence few times. However, that doesn't mean that she that he's not gonna get her votes against a privileged white male like Brett or Tyler. It is worth noting that though it happened much earlier Rockstars wanting said, I don't like JC. I want JC out, but I can't be the one to do it because I am an ally to LGBT community and. For that reason, even though he has burned her and rockstar doesn't love JC. He's still could get her vote in the end based on that, yes, so that we had into week and this is JC's. Finest hour of course, is going to win the HOA JR and JC confirms to Brett, hey, it's time for operation frame Scotty, part three. We gotta do it. Breath doesn't want to do it. Let's do this. Never gonna work. Why would he believe me over Scotty? This doesn't make any sense. Jaycees listen, you shut your mouth. You do what I say. This is gonna work. Just do it. You have to do it. And he lays some groundwork. He tells Feszty, hey, Sam told me that Brett was voting to keep rockstar. I don't know why like Sam thought that was the truth. Like, I don't know why they had this final to like if they had a final two, why would vote against her. It's really, really feels like that was the one that kept her. And of course, this is very important for for for JC because if Brett goes home, somebody that he'd been working on, then Scotty stays in the game with Haley Haley and Scotty or both anti JC. At this point, it's not looking good for him if he can't pull this off, but, but he's he's really putting in the work. Yeah. And so this is of course when he says, okay, who voted to keep rockstar? And Skype his hand up right away and Brent takes awhile to actually commit to the plan known up to it. It is honestly shocking that that works out all that Fassi had any doubt there and j. c. explains office Scotty. Just never believed that Brett would own up to his vote like Scotty, lying Scotty. Did this, like he just didn't anticipate right would actually own up to it. And this is also where jaycee puts in really good work with, hey. Early with the associate from a bottle of wine? Yes, we, we all we all remember f- it. It was me. Great moments in in big brother, twenty. Really as convincing as f it was me, yeah. Like again, like a preview like right before that whole meeting Scotty and Haley we're talking about going after JC the next week that he wants JC gone as soon as possible. She even Scottie had had his druthers like espec- would be targeting JC that week and Hayley was kind of agreeing like she was like, I know he's not going to do it, but it would be great if we get JC gone. And then this meeting happens and everything turns around, he goes to work on Haley. He explains why he's been distant with her why he was saying those things to fess that she eventually found out because. She made these moves that he didn't agree with and all these things have been happening. She admits that she's been. She's made some mistakes in the game, and she's like, yes, you have made mistakes in the game. That's why I couldn't trust you. Like I told you and you didn't listen. I told you what to do. Yeah. Listen, I can't. I couldn't work with you. He says, you know Scotty, he's been flipping the vote on all these votes. And you know, I guarantee we flipped on this. All of the things that you know we went over this extensively during the season, all of the the ways that the j. c. the methods JC uses to crush Scotty here. He says Scotty, crush on you, and he's going to come after festival because of that and Haley is completely swindled. Here they end, they actually like what people don't remember is that Haley wasn't even tricking at first. She was like on board with Scott with jaycees plan. And then she started drinking, and then they talked to Feci and with the help of Haley they convince. JC convinces fest to go after Scotty and JC and Haley. They're kind of friends now and and there you go. The move has been cleaned. Potentially the best move of of the entire season. Yeah. And especially to because when Fethi one that h h who was celebrating with him, Haley and Scotty JC wasn't even there at that moment right when he wants to be able to completely convince Haley emphases that getting rid of Scotty is in their best interest is very impressive for JC. It is one of the best things he did for himself the entire game, yes. And if not the best. And so you know, obviously, this was a huge benefit to Tyler as well. You can't really give Tyler much credit for this beyond. You know him working with j. c. and keeping JC in the dark about about his own motives and keeping JC working for him. Obviously, I think you have to credit the both of them for a lot of things. But the main credit here goes to j. c. although you would definitely give Tyler a lot of credit for for having JC do this work for him and keeping Tyler safe allots that that is to Tyler's credit as well. But this is this is definitely a JC move. Yeah, absolutely. And you can't argue that honestly, anyone he worked. He did work. He was not just doing nothing this entire time. Yes. This is also the week wear j. c. begins to be very concerned about Tyler. And Angela, he is like, I will destroy you if you get into a showman's, I will HOA j- just put you up against your girlfriend. He really becomes concerned about Angelo this week. Yes, j. c. promises Tyler. If he gets into a show, man's JC will win inch away and he will put Tyler right up on the block next to his show, Mance since he didn't. He didn't lie. He actually kept that promise. This is also the week where jaycee gets pulled into a weird final three with salmon Brett, and he's going to tell Tyler about it, which is going to be important JC and Brett bond a lot more this week, they just pulled off a massive coup together, and so they're, they're really bonding over that and j. c. is going to start planting these anti Angela seeds in Brett's head. Remember just the week before JC had decided I need to give up on these other people on the outside. They are all against me. I need Scotty out any rockstar out. I might need Haley out that only leaves Fethi. So if that's the case, then I'm going to need to make some cracks in the other side and he sees Brett as the weak link, and he is going to work on breaking bread away from the rest of level six so that he has some more ammunition heading down the line. This is the point in the game where we said jaycees doing a great job. But he's going to need some parachutes. He's going to need some way of continuing his his effort here because he's running out of runway. And this is plan. He's got, he's going to start working on bread. He's still got in the game. He's still got Tyler or so he thinks so. So in terms of where jaycee feels like he is, he feels pretty good. And you know this, this work with Brent is going to to turn out to be pretty successful. Yeah. And he does a really good job of solidifying his relationship with Brett with the aim of breaking up kind of the level side. Because again to JC, he doesn't realize that level sixes such a cohesive group, he sees that they've been working together. But honestly, anyone could really be cohesive as compared to Foudy. Right. And so he does a great job of working with while also feeding enough information to Tyler Tyler, a little worried about Brett about Brett feeling left out and that Bret can be the one to flip on levels. Ex, yes. So he's he's trying to essentially get Rhett Fethi and Tyler all on separate islands being suspicious of each other and going after each other, keeping Tyler out of it the most which is on Tyler's credit there and unfortunate for JC. But Scotty is going to be victim here at unanimously he's going to leave feeling feeling bested by JC that he was targeting j. c. and j c helped get him out of the house. He says, the JC is playing the best game. This is the first true. I feel great. I would feel great about giving JC my vote. He's a great player of this game. Things are looking positive for JC with in terms of Scotties, jury vote and jaycees average rating this week is going to be a seven point five, the highest rating of the season for JC where his stock price is going to be eight dollars rounded up to eight dollars. So there you go, this is the looking things are looking pretty good for JC at this point. Yeah, he really seems like he could be a big contender for the endgame. Yes. Another interesting thing to look at here we can the great Christina z put together a little infra graphic here of some of these stats, and I'm going to bring up on the screen and you can see here week eight. His highest point of the season. Kirsten Kinsey, I what we're really bringing the production value look at that. Yeah, high point JC. And so this is when he reached the peak stock price here and about twenty five percent of the audience gave him a rating of nine or higher this week, and that's that's second only behind Tyler, and then also his fan, favourite percentage shot up here this week from a low point last week of three point, five, six to a high or one of his highs here of ten point, one percent of the vote for fan favourite. He is in second place behind Tyler this week. I believe in Verno that might not be the case second beyond Tyler in terms of the nines or above rating ratings, but but yes, in terms of his fan, favorite stuff, he jumps up here. And that's honestly, that's a huge leap. From like four rash for a long time up to ten so interesting stuff. There we are then going to head into week nine where Angela is going to win the wage, and this is when things start to slow down a little bit. But there's still a lot that we have to talk about here with JC, especially for this week. So tangents going to be getting closer and that's that's not snot what jaycee wants. He starts to get a lot more tunnel vision about the Tandja problem because his his game relies so heavily on Tyler. And in his mind, if Tyler is starting to go off with Angela, that's bad for him. We know that Tyler has never been truly loyal to j. c. j. c. feels like it's just now happening. And so the reason why JC hasn't been getting the nines and ten nine and ten ratings that he assumes that he's been should be getting all season long is because we know that Tyler is more loyal to level six than to him, and he's now starting to find out, wait a minute. My game is going from nine or ten to us six or seven because if Tyler is loyal to Angela than screwed. And of course, there's also the jealousy angle that that we have touched upon throughout this podcast. So with Angela is h, he does need to again, he focuses most on keeping himself safe at all. Costs he needs to avoid the block. So in order to do that, he makes sure that he convinces Angela to put Fethi and Haley both on the block, she cannot nominate Sam because if if Vesey is off the block or Haley's off block and they win the veto and take the other one off the block, then it will come down. He knows that he would be the replacement nominee. It would be him versus Sam, and he does not want to be up against him right now. That is way too dangerous for him. So he's actually going to do the bulk of the work convincing Angela to make this move. Obviously, Tyler one hundred to make it as well. And he was doing some subtle work to make that happen, but c. is going to do the bulk of this and make Angela fuel okay with making this move. And then Tyler's come in and finish the job afterward and make sure that that Fethi and Haley both go up. Yeah. And JC really reaffirms himself with the level six people this week. You know, they're concerned because he has been close with Bessie this entire game. And he says, no, I've been in this for the. Team the entire time I've been loyalty you. I was working with bustles of benefit you guys. I can't wait to vote out as soon as he hits the block and he really tries to push. I've been loyalty guys from day one to try to insulate himself. Yes. And so this is when there's lots of talk about this week because jaycee is going to decide to let Vesey go. And I think this is first real tactical error in the game, and he does have some halfway decent reasons for doing it, but there are, of course all misguided. So first of all, as you're saying, he is putting a lot of work in to level six to make sure that they feel his loyalty. He lays as much guilt trip on them as possible. And it actually works to some degree guilt. Tripping very, very rarely works in the house, but when people are so far in power and they feel like you're just not even close to threat can work a little bit. I guess he says, I've been so loyalty guys put in so much work for you guys. I feel like I'm not as close to you guys and they feel genuinely bad for him. And he also says, I'm willing to let fussy go for you guys and that's part of it. But I think the reason ultimately that he's willing to let go is because he's starting to re evaluate his endgame plans. First of all, at this point him in Tyler have been talking about, okay, let's take Casey and Angela to the final four, then we'll cut Angela. We'll take Casey to the final three. Then we'll be solid because Casey can't win anything. And. So at this point he's he's thinking, Tyler is way too close to Angela. This is not good Tyler's clearly gonna cut Casey first, and then take Angela to the final two. I can't have that. This is not a good final four situation for me. I need to change it and I need to come up with a compelling argument for why Tyler is should be okay with changing it. So he would he sees is that he was able to flip Haley back over the week before Haley's looking like a more valuable pond for him and Haley hate Sam in San hates Halian SAM's a bad competitor to so JC comes up with this plan. Okay. All right. We can't go to the end with Angela Casey anymore. Let's instead go to the end with Hailey and Sam. They hate each other. They'll never take each other. We should be keeping these people in the game. They're bad at competitions. If we're in the final four with Halian Sam, then we should have this pretty much unlock. We take Sam to the final three. He feels like this is a good, a good compelling argument, and Tyler should. Able to recognize that. And that's why Vesey needs to go this week because he needs Halian in the game because she hates Sam so much, and that's that's the compelling way that he can make this work moving forward. Yeah. And he really tries to push Tyler. Casey and Angela are very strong pair. They will always have each other's backs. We need to break them up. We cannot take them together. And this is again his major short site in the game that he thinks that he will be able to Tyler to go against these people that Tyler has been working with since day one. He does not see how committed Tyler has been to level six time that he has been in the middle more. So by himself, he thinks he's had this partner in crime the entire time. And he still thinks that is the case at this point and is trying to convince Tyler against Casey Najla. Yes. And and basically he is he's looking at this. He's thinking long term and he's trying to look at this from a perspective of how can I get Tyler and mice. Self to the end in the right way where we are in a position to win in order to make that happen with Tyler. He needs to let go of Vesey. What he doesn't realize is that he needs to be working against Tyler at this point. And if he had recognized that I do think he might have been able to flip level six into keeping Bessie around. I don't think they were particularly motivated one way or the other to let festival go. In fact, Brett was the person that wanted to go the most and bread is the person that had the most amount of influence on at this point in time. So this, I think, again is going to be the first real major tactical error in the game in terms of his endgame plans. And it largely comes from the fact that he trusts Tyler too much. He is not prepared to work against Tyler at this point. Yeah. And he continues to bring up the plan to Tyler. It's not just one and done. He is persistent in trying to get this narrative out there that they need to break up Casey and and. And that is, you know, kind of offensive with rut. They're really circling to the idea of we need to break up these close pairs with people with strong on's and we need to keep the people who won't work together. And he spent so much time pushing this to Tyler, and it really is really bad for him, see where Tyler is. And so he's gonna spend a lot of time on Brett now to now that is going to be leaving. He knows that he needs to really like this is now or never. He needs to create some cracks in level six, one of the most cohesive and loyal alliances in the history of big brother up until this point. And he is able to actually succeed. He manages to convince Brett to turn on level six. He first of all, all of the groundwork that he's been putting in for the last two weeks. Now talking about Tanja trying to use Brett to split them up, trying to tell Bret to flirt with Angela cock block tile. They're all of these things. And he finally is able to convince Brett, it's time to turn, and it's obvious that she has a final two with with with Casey. We need to split Casey and Angela up. So Brett says, fine. Yeah, we need to do this. I agree. They're going to pretend to be on board with the plan to Victoria nets. But at the first opportunity, they're gonna. They're gonna take their shot. They're gonna make strike. He does make sure although again to protect Tyler in all of these, these schemes is the one we can work with. After we split Angela and Casey up, we can real Tyler in. And so he's also going to miscalculate a little bit of thinking that Haley is more likely to work with him and Brett. And again, this is one of the reasons why he's willing to let Fethi go. He feels like they're both willing to work with him in Brad. He thinks that Brett's connection with is good. He thinks that his connection with as good and that he can work with Haley. He feels like he's more likely to work with them, then go to the women. But of course she is going to end up going to those women, not that ended ends up mattering all anyway, but but it is a mess Milton miscalculation and he's also going to let Tyler in on this plan which is also going to be probably the bigger mistake. Yeah. And what no matter what mistake he makes it all goes back to the big mistake of trusting Tyler, but he does definitely. See himself as having more influence over Haley than he does. I think because he had so much success influencing her. You know the week before and was able to convince Haley that Scotty had to go. So he feels like, okay, well, I'll probably completely. Yeah. And I also think that he's looking at it from the perspective of like, why in the world would Haley not want to work with us? And why would she want to work with like Tyler and the this obvious trio. Because it's so we're talking about why. Why. She. So jaycees jealousy of Angela's really starting to piss Angela off. But once again, Tyler and Brett are there to deflect and protect JC from Angela. Feci is going to be a victim by a vote of four to one JC did spend some time during the week to to prep fetchy for the jury to make sure the had jury vote to Vesey is gonna leave. It doesn't feel great about JC, but jaycees his buddy. He's definitely willing to vote for JC over anyone other than Haley. So that's a jury vote that he has in the bag. Average rating this week is a seven point, two, five. It's dropped just slightly because he's still doing some good work here and he's still in a decent position but, but he's still got a long way ahead of him before he can truly shine. Yes, I, it's. This is when we had such high hopes, it looked like there was going to be, you know, the big crank and level six JC was going to be a major player between right breaking away from there, and then the battle back habit. Yes think, yeah. So the battle back is going to happen, and this is going to be very bad for jaycees game. Scottie is the one that returns Scotty, his arch nemesis, his biggest enemy from from the biggest adversary in the game this far and not only that, but Bessie goes out jaycees part in Scotties, Vic Shen to Scotty in the short time that he's out there. So not only Scotty coming back thinking jaycees the best player personnel is trying to get out before, and he's also now just found out that the JC is the one that lied and got him victim when he left. And so j c is of course not happy about this. No, JC is absolutely livid about the battle back in general about Scotty being the one to come back and it's also really bad for JC from jury vote perspective because I feel like Scotty left feeling good about JC as a player, not feeling good about him as a person and for him personally, but he would have been. Quite willing to vote for JC and more time actually interacting with JC honestly could only be a bad thing for him at this point. Yes. So heading into week ten here, Tyler wins h. o. h. and j. c. being forced to deal with this ghost from his past has to backpedal and tell Tyler, okay, forget forget, Haley. Forget Angela, we need to focus on Scotty this week, and unfortunately because he's putting these Angela plans on hold. He's also recognizing that this is going to give Brett a lot of time to reconsider a lot of time to end fessing up to this plan. So he's going to reveal even more of what Bret has been talking about even more of their plans and giving Tyler a lot more time to to see this coming and to to cut it off before before it can go anywhere. Yes, he reaffirms to Tyler that Casey Angela thing. We can't even look at it right now because of the battle back. We need to worry about. Having the numbers, we need to get Scottie album for weakened even look at doing anything else. Yes. And so tangent is going to grow even closer this week. JC is going to become increasingly frustrated. He confronts Tyler several times four fifty one nine chant I checked. I heard her run to the couch, breathing heavy. I'm not stupid. Okay. Yes, Brad is going to continue to vote for him within level six, though his connection to Brett is going to really save him when it comes to the final five decision. Which we'll talk about later j. c. is going to talk to Scottie toward the end of the week, and he's kind of realizing Haley's been spending all of her time with Angela and Casey. And then he has a talk with Scotty where they, they really clear the air JC ends up convincing Scotty that look, it wasn't me Feci. He was just covering for Haley when he told you that it was my fault. It wasn't me. Scotty appears to genuinely believe this and, and it seems like they might be able to work together moving forward. And so j c decides what Haley she's gone off to the to the women Scotties a better competitor. If he's willing to work with Brett and myself, then maybe we should keep Scottie around. Yeah, he's just constantly trying to find some way that he can go back to the plan that he had been solidifying the week before. He just is so frustrated with the tangents situation. You want Angela out. He needs to bring Tyler back in and he's, he's again willing to just throw anything the wall and see what will stick to protect himself. And I feel like this was another missed opportunity heart to blame JC as much for this one. He really wants to make this happen. However, once again, the main weakness here is that he goes to Tyler to try to get Tyler on board with this. Tyler says, no, you cannot keep Scotty in the game, and JC is going to kind of lose the nerve year. He would really like to keep Scotty in the game, but it's just it's too much of a risk in his from his perspective because Scotty. It's just too little too late. He doesn't know if he can trust Scotty. He doesn't like it's kind of miraculous that he was able to convince Scotty that he, he wasn't the cause of all of his problems in that one conversation, Scott, it could just be telling him what he wants to hear. Scotty still won't name his targets and they're just not enough time to lay the groundwork to make sure he can trust Scotty enough that it's that it's worth the risk to go against Tyler and believe me JC definitely is willing to go against Tyler here if that's what is necessary. But he when he does the calculation here he tells Britain's it's, oh, it's just not worth it. I wish we could do this. We just can't trust Scotty enough. It's too little too late. Yeah. Again, he really needs something that he feels very sure about in order to go against Tyler here. Because again, in jaycees mind, it has been him and Tyler against the house this entire time, and it is going to take something big to get him to actually really go against Tyler. Yes. So. He ultimately backs off of this decision. And again, probably a missed opportunity here. Scottie would have been better asset moving forward. And if you hadn't trusted Tyler as much, I think he absolutely would have made this move and him Scotty and Brett could have made some kind of push. They would've had very least had a slightly better shot moving forward, but does not happen. So he starts trying to prime. Hi Haley, four, the plan to flip the game around hoping that one of them can win the h her read or himself and Scotty is going to be a victim unanimously for the second time. And unfortunately for j. c. this time, Scotty leaves feeling like, you know what I was wrong. JC is not a good player. JC was too successful in convincing Scotty that he had nothing to do with Scott his victims. Scott, he's going to leave thinking JC turns out. He's not very good. He had nothing to do with it instead. He's just this coward that goes along with what the h. wants because Tyler didn't want me to stay so so I didn't stay and it leaves, you know. You know, leaves a bad taste in Scott his mouth. So the one, the one real good, solid vote. The JC might have had ended up losing it because of this battle back cat battled back ruined so many things this season. Truly, I feel a lot of resentment towards the battle, and this is just another one of those things. And so when Jay talking Haley's like you need to go after people who haven't gone after you in this game, that's me Brett, like we have to work together since you're staying. We need to split up Casey and Angela, and he's really hoping to get Hayley onboard with him. Yes. So jaycees average rating this week has fallen to a six point five that this this battle back was not good for him. However, he still has a shot here as long as the competitions can break the right way. He's still has. He still has a shot. And of course, the average the favorite. Player percentage is going to drop considerably this week. Week, ten from a high of ten point, seven percent to one of the lows here three point, two percent. This is this is the double really the triple whammy. Basically the, you know, he is going to. Touch Tyler during his sleep. He's going to pull the prank on Haley with the bathroom door. And honestly think most damning was the the fake video of him saying the n. word really just spread around and was like the the nail in the coffin, even though it wasn't real one. It's the thing JC did so much problematic south in the house. And it's kind of funny that the thing that damaged his reputation the most is when he actually wasn't being Matic. It's like. Tough luck. He did not have a great week in the those streets on Twitter, not at all. No, we head into week eleven. Casey is going to win this h by Elias. Again, a second. So close JC is going to really, really be annoyed that man. Oh, came so close entirely entirely different game. If if Brett wins this h, but he does not Brent is going to continue to vouch for JC, making sure he stays off the block. While in the meantime, JC throws Brett under the bus to make sure that if something happens with veto that he will stay off the block. He's self-preservation jaycees going to make sure that Brett is the one that goes before him and if can't win the next h, then maybe we'll go ahead of him anyway. So really just making sure that again, he's covered on as many angles as possible. Yeah, he doing whatever it takes to prevent going on the blog because as long as he has on the block, he still has a chance to talk way out of situations. Jaycees main priority. This entire game is keeping himself off of book. Yes, JC Brett are gonna continue to scheme against Angela and Tyler toward the end of the week is going to pretend to be on board with their plans. Yes. So this is again a JC believing and trusting Tyler, really to his veteran Tyler, using that opportunity to turn the plan on its head to get level six on board with getting rid of. Right, which really takes out a lot of jaycees opportunities in the game. Yes. So Haley is going to be victim unanimously and leaves feeling. Pretty fine about c, she's kind of rooting for him. You know, he's the underdog and she would love to see him make it to the end and she'd she'd be totally willing to vote for him. Will you can't trust anything? Elise says that which is jarred part. So I, I really don't know that Haley would ever actually consider voting for JC. I'm really not sure about it. But again, we've no way of knowing her motivations because the only opportunity we have to see how people genuinely feel is in the dia room, and we've seen that her rooms are not Representative. So does she feel good? Well, according to the method that we've used to track everyone so far, she felt pretty good about him. So so I think. That's all we can really say. Jaycees average rating this week falls down to a five point, two, five. Not looking great for JC at this point. Brett really needed to win that he still has a chance though we said, this is the precipice things are gonna go either go back up for JC or they're gonna fall all the way down here in to not great places. It's where it's where we thought, you know, okay, this is building. This is building. Something's going to happen. Something's going to happen. And at this point something has to happen, he is in dire straits. So then we get to week eleven to double vision. Tyler wins the of the double vision and, oh, jaycees world is about to come crashing down as JC finally touches the block the first time all season and he's gonna go up next to Sam Angeles, gonna win the veto jaycees going to be taken down replaced by Brett. Brett is going to be victim unanimously and things are not looking great for JC. Bread is gonna leave feeling hurt that JC voted him out, but is definitely rooting for him to make the end definitely willing to give JC his votes JC really. Really like embodying the underdog status here, really gaining momentum in terms of jury support? Yes, absolutely. And he is feeling so betrayed by Tyler in this moment. This is. You know, the realization that, oh, well, we've been together this whole game, but obviously there's more going on. He feels so hurt and bothered by this, and he really tries to guilt Tyler about what he did because he doesn't have anywhere else to go at this point. There's literally nobody else that he can work with to try and and split anything up. Yes, it's at this point. The JC realizes that his whole game or at least up until the point where Tyler with Angela because he didn't know that it was bad from the start, has his gone off on the wrong trajectory. And he is a very tough road ahead of him if he wants to survive and. He's really like, oh crap. I I made a wrong move somewhere along the line and it had a lot to do with Tyler. This is this is not good. A decent amount of self awareness here. Of course, he's not completely aware of everything we head into week, twelve Angela's going to win the h. she is going to nominate JC and Sam. But JC is not the target all that work with Brett's all that guilt tripping it successful. And you know they're going to make sure they target Sam over j c and that's pretty huge for him. Yeah. And this goes back to there's so many conversations that have happened over the course of the season and in this week where they're like, yeah, but like jaycees the one we need to bring down with us. He, we love him so much all, let's just bring him with us and though it didn't end up being to the five with Brett as those conversations had been, it does manage to keep him safe over Sam. Yeah. And this is again, I credit to come, which work he was doing throughout the entire game to make sure he stayed stay state safe. You'd think that would be an easy boot over Sam. A lot of people were confused who hadn't been watching the feeds wise JC staying over Sam. It doesn't make any sense, and it's impossible to explain in just one week. It's really the. Culminating of his active gameplay style throughout the entire season of constantly doing everything he can to keep himself safe in as many circumstances as possible. And that's what keeps them alive through the final five when really Sam is the obvious choice to bring forward. Yeah, exactly. He has inflated in fell very well with sex, especially when he did get caught and kind of threw his lot totally in with them that really helped him to go, especially because Sam has been famous erotic in a different way. Right? And it's always interesting to get rid of the person where you don't know what they're going to do. Right. And they also, Sam has won a competition and JC hasn't, and that also helps that they think it will definitely be able to beat JC in the final four? Yes. JC is going to try to convince Tyler Casey if the veto plays out the right way, but his course able to persuade him. So JC he's not giving up. He spent. The week trying to make a bond with Casey. Now, Brett's gone, he's he's recognizing that Tyler's not who we thought he was. And so he's trying to make a new big, dumb puppet. He's trying to get with KC using the LGBT connection telling Casey that if he wins the next week, he'll be keeping her safe that he know him and her to the end. He's recognizing this is the movie has to make if he wants any chance of moving forward. At this point, he's drawing dead in terms of strategic social connections is completely run out of runway, but he's still out there doing everything he can trying to make this work. Yes, JC is not someone who's going to lay down and die. He does not want to get. Yes, Sam is going to be a victim with any own animus vote. She leaves with nothing bad to say about anyone in the house. It's up maybe Angela. And she's certainly not particularly likely to give JC her vote, but. She's not necessarily super anti JC at this point. She nothing bad to say, yeah. I mean, they were best friends at one point and so it's not impossible to consider a World War STAN would vote for JC. Yes. GC's average rating this week falls down to a four things are not looking good for him. He is finally run out of runway. There's nowhere else for him to go, but to win a competition. And in week thirteen or whatever you wanna call it. JC wins his first competition. He wins the final four h. it's a must win competition. The first must competition of the season for JC and he wins it. His objective is to Vic, Angela this week hoping that you know he's been working on Casey. He's still got something with Tyler hoping that he can maybe maybe convinced one of them to take him to the end. Obviously that's all for not. But it's still his objective here ends of nominating Tyler Angela, fulfilling his promise from week eight. And after Casey wins the veto she's going to send Angela home and Angela goes home, not feeling great about JC. There's no chance that jaycee gets Angeles vote over Casey or Tyler now. Absolutely not. And this is he feels that he does have the LGBT connection with Casey. He might be able to manipulate manipulate her based on that. And then he does feel that with Angela gone, he might be able to real Tyler back into that. Dynamic duo that he feels they have been since day one. So he feels the best about getting rid of Angela and he does get what he wants. I don't know that that was necessarily the right call there don't know. I mean, it was not the right call there. He's again, it's completely out of options here. Nowhere to maneuver besides winning? Yes. And then Tyler is going to win part one of the final three h. So he is now in a must win spot for partout j. c. is going to still attempt. He's still trying. As we mentioned at the top of this podcast seems like years ago. That you know he's been, he'd been trying as hard as possible to play Tyler in Casey off each other, telling him them both that he'll take them to the final two, of course, unbeknownst to him, they've had a final two from the start. They have his game completely clocked. He enters part two of the final h in a must win spot and within a gap of less than forty seconds. He loses part two of the final three h and that is probably it for JC with Tyler. Casey heading to part three of the final three h wage. They should be taking each other. JC should be victims here at the number three spot. And and that could be with forty seconds difference. And JC might be our winner of big brother twenty. But instead looking like is probably going to be a victim in third place. Yeah, not a lot would had to have gone differently for him to be an much stronger position going into Nellie. Nate, but I really don't see the situation. Where he ends up in the final two here just less than a second with the Brett competition less than forty seconds with part two. It really was a close thing. So really just to recap jaycees game from my perspective here, he enters the game immediately bonds with Tyler. They create this final two. They planned to play the house against each other. They're hiding their bond, and he goes through the game. He's easily the most active player. He's managing to play both sides successfully for longer than anyone in the house, including Tyler. And Brett, every single week is actively checking in with every player in the game, providing incentives for them to act in ways that benefit him, his success rate is hit or miss here, but with the sport of the main bonds that he creates a Tyler. And then Brett, it's mostly enough to get his way almost every week, keep him just barely out of the hot seat throughout the entire season. He ends up finally, getting caught in a big way in week. Seven pulls himself out of the fire with one of the most impressive moves of the season. They're in week eight, but the main faults comes as his trust in Tyler, tie. Taylor is his weakness in the game. A lot of people say that the problem is that he didn't know about level six that he was secretly working for an alliance that was too loyal to each other. I don't think that's really the case JC knew about level six. He didn't know it was called level six, but he knew that they were in alliance and he knew that they were working together. The problem is that he thought Tyler was more loyal to him. Then to level six, didn't realize that Tyler was actually more loyal to level six then to him. And so from jaycees perspective, Tyler is more loyal to him. Then to level six, then all of his plans work out perfectly JC was successful in his attempt to pivot and crack level six wide open. He got Brett to betray them, but the competitions did not break his way which finally left him in a place where he had no more options. And despite this, he did manage to win. Vital competition. He's still trying his his best. He's still in a position where just just one just forty seconds away and he he might have been able to still be in this with a shot despite the fault. But really it all comes down to Tyler Tyler being the, the thing that is in his way, both the thing that helped him get there and also the thing in his way of the final two and and the potential win. Yeah. And it's honestly. Not working Tyler, Jeff, innately would have been to jaycees detriment at the same time. Like if he had been a a threat to Tyler, he would have been taken out earlier than that. So he really didn't have that much of an option to maneuver, especially given how disconnected and non-cohesive or whatever. That's how it was. A lot of the season is also determined by one side is cohesive, and the other side is just a complete an utter mess. And JC really couldn't have tied himself to that side and gotten as far because they just didn't. They didn't have it in them toward weld together. Basically, they're, they're a couple of key moments where he might have been able to increase his odds. But he he didn't because he didn't see the board for what it was, which was that Tyler was not as loyal to him, but even so it was still odds. He still needed some competitions to break his way and JC came into this game with a significant disadvantage. He can't win almost any of these competitions on his own. He needs other people to do it for him. And he also has a major language barrier that's going to not only be a hindrance in the competitions but also socially. And despite that he did manage to get as far as he did and you know, this significant disadvantage of not being able to win the competitions. He needed to give him just a little bit more competition ability and and he is in a much better spot. So again, a couple moments, I think keeping Scotty would have been helpful keeping would have been helpful because he needed them to win competitions for him. But ultimately it still would have come down to. He needed somebody to win one of those competitions in the stretch of over ten competitions in a row that Angelo Casey and Tyler one, and it just didn't happen for him despite that, he's still came very close, but close is not good enough in big brother. Unfortunately, not. But you know, no one thought that z had this in him going into it. And I think that there is a lot to be studied from here and a lot to learn for anyone else. Yes, future. All right. So that's what we've got for jaycees game. Anything. Any other things that you wanted to mention here. You know what? I think we've, I think we've covered pretty much everything very well. Yes, j c, l a couple more stats JC for the most part was consistently above almost every member of throughout the entire season in terms of ratings, he was behind Tyler for the entire season tied Tyler once in week three and mostly behind Casey throughout the season as well as she obviously Tyler was more loyal to her. So she was consistently in there with a better shot. Although perhaps under underrated considering how close he may have just come to winning the the whole game. But there you go jaycees game. Like I said, probably the most active game that I have done a whole season recap for, and that includes Paul last season JC. It was all over the place, not always successful, but always entertaining. Yes. I truly feel like I'm back in. I was back in school yesterday as I was going through everything. Like, oh my God, like what is happening to it's too much. Should we also be talking about who we think JC would vote for her without be covered in the other two. We will probably cover it in the other ones, but it's worth talking about for the most part. I, I mean for me, I do feel like if Tyler cuts j. c. j. c. will vote for Casey, and I feel like if Casey cuts JC he'll vote for Tyler. Yeah, exactly. He's going to go for whoever doesn't, I think. Yeah. However, there could be if they decide to tell him that they're cutting him beforehand, then then that could shake things up a bit because it gives them some time to dwell to get get over it. You know, like come to terms with it and and Tyler might be able to talk me into voting for him with some more time on his hands. Yeah, that's really the only thing to look out for in these next couple of days before the feeds go down for the finale is what conversations are Tyler JC gonna help conversations are Casey and JC going to have. And are they going to be able to kind of prime JC for going home? And being open to voting for Tyler, who he feels he's worked with the entire season. Yes. Alright. So that's a wrap on jaycees big brother, twenty game. We'll be back tomorrow morning at ten AM eastern where we will update you on everything that happens today on the live feeds and we will be going over the next person's game. Actually not entirely sure who it's going to be yet. So Tom look out for that. It's going to be either Tyler. Casey, that's for sure. One of them's going to be a lot easier than the other. So that may have some influence. But we will be recapping. One of the next final of the final three and we will go into some detail about their games should be even more interesting because it's looking like they're going to be the final two. So going to have a little more relevance even though maybe not quite as exciting. A game. Yeah, it may not be as interesting, but it is definitely more relevant. Right makes you follow us on Twitter. Kirsten Kirsten said, what? I'm at Armstrong Taryn and. We'll see. Is Ron from my eyes. About it. Fun. Somebody. Oh. 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More Fire: Roster Changes (best of CCK featuring Marty mush and "Louise")

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More Fire: Roster Changes (best of CCK featuring Marty mush and "Louise")

"All right. We twelve or some shit of Clancy. The rockets these weeks are just blending together weeks, become months months, become years. Just feels like it's been a goddamn lifetime. At this point. We got. I mean, this is a massive week. This was a big week. This is going to be a good podcast between gun girl to start things off the book ends are gun girl. Bob Kraft hand job that in the course of five business days. We went from gun girl. To Robert Kraft getting job at a fifty nine dollars massage. Parlor, I honestly thought that last week's podcast was going to be hard to top. Because we started the week off with Kyle van noy coming and ended it with being drunk where we didn't even remember recording extra segments for more fire this week. I mean, and those facts species laughing over there like I text you when I heard and I was like holy shit. I was drunk last Friday. I don't know if that can happen again it will. But this week has been something. I mean that that quickly got dethroned it lasted literally just one week in between gone, girl and Bob Kraft. We talked about we had a spirited discussion about rosters as you put it the the number of guys girl can be talking to at once it goes both ways. But I feel like girls are more with the roster of guys that they rotate in and out. No, see, I actually think think it's the opposite. I learned that term from my yes. But I'm saying guy. Guys are like, yeah. I'm just fucking all these girls girls girls will be like who's on the roster who's off the roster. He's you know, he's bumped up a spot. This guy's now on the bench. It's like a thing and you start like feeling guilty about the lake. Should I move this guy off? I it is a one of my best guy friends in Houston was who really started getting down like with the roster thing with me. He'd be like. Yeah. I put this girl on the bench. Or she's promoted at the starting five like he was really using the metaphors. And it's just stuck with me. But I mean, yeah, it's been a week of it wasn't. It wasn't your guy friend that we spoke to, but we spoke to one of your girlfriends who I I gave her the student. Louise, I don't even know where that came. I don't I mean, I said we got to give her a fake name, and like the most ridiculous name that I could possibly think of the popular in my head was Louise smy mom's middle name. See this. I picked nothing to do with this and say, let's leave your mom out of it was on the last podcast the family out of it. We talked to Louise about her her roster and it goes from flyouts to locals good bad ugly. Sounds like Louise just wants to be a little bit slutty and wants the confirmation that she's allowed to do. So and she is it's two thousand nineteen but we're in here from Louise act. That's what we got an update for you. Don't get me started on gun girl again. It wasn't as your girlfriend's dating. So she has a roster. And her question is is so she's like starting to sleep with the second guy. When is the roster like dating like a dating roster like she's got like a few guys on the roster? But she's not she's not exclusive with any of them, and she was only having sex with one. And now she's starting to have sex with the second person. And she's like wind does it. The wind is the roster need to be like dwindled down to one as from a guy's standpoint. I don't know. I mean, this is not a question. I really am going to ask. What do you mean? Like, oh, you're saying for the guy. I would never ask that like I could be married to a woman. I was never asked like, hey. I guess from like, it's just an awkward conversation. I'd rather not have. So like, you never would have an exclusive conversation. I think it's just implied. I think it's it's kind of one of those things implied. Then that's a better. When is it implied that it's exclusive when you start hanging out like sober and regularly. I think the thing is you start hanging out a couple of times a week or like more frequently each week. And then there's only only and there's only so many other days to be hanging out with other people. You know what I mean? So it's like I think I saw in the week. And then I saw you once during the weekend, and like I knew you had like a work thing. One other nights. There's only like a couple of other nights agree fucking somebody else on those nights. Because that does it just starts to feel like there's not enough time in the world. Figure out lucid I kind would once we do things that aren't alcohol based I assume it's exclusive really. Yeah. For both of you. I would say, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, if you're not gonna fuck anybody else if we're going to like a movie like like like how you wanna go to a movie tonight. But okay. So you're not you're gonna stop fucking people. But you're not going to be like, I'm like we're together, right? It's like it's just like, I'm respectfully hooking up with you. Yeah. I guess. Courteously hugging. I think at that point. I would I would deem it that we are talking. Yeah. I like the the talking catch all his grace fucking also seeing what's the difference between talking and seeing frequency see. Yeah. I think talking is like there's the occasional Mita pick up more conversing texting sex thing seeing is like I feel like I see you like multiple times pretty frequently. Right. And aiding is lay exclusive. We're not you're not seeing anybody else or talking to anybody else. Yeah. Well, so her issue is like she's like, none of these guys have said like well because there's two of them that she's literally just gone on like a couple of first dates with like via social media, apps or whatever dating apps, but the one guy she's going to see this weekend. He's flying her out to see him. I Al culture changes as flying her out, but they don't talk on a daily basis like they talk like maybe once a week every couple of weeks, but he's flying her out. But then the guy that she just started sleeping with live. In her city. So like, she's around him more. She's like, I don't know what the fuck to do. And they don't talk much, but he's flying her out for like one night a weekend weekend, three nights crazy to me. Like like, they have concerts plan and everything, but it's like, it's a fun time. But like, they're not exclusive. And she's like, okay. So like do I g to me all the guy at home? That's also not exclusive that I'm doing this. Like, if somebody told me if we if we were talking seeing whatever and someone was like, hey, I'm going away this weekend. This guy's flying me out. I'd be like, okay piece. Yeah, we're not. We're not talking. But it was alright before they, but I'm just saying that sometimes you have to change planet. Just putting. The fly out to me is funny because I think that either means like your relationships going. It's like, hyper drive like like one weekend's going to account for like six months, basically 'cause you're gonna go to a concert, and you're gonna sleep over and you're gonna do this. And that or it means like we're just flying here to smash. You know what I mean to me? Fly outs one or the other. It's free. Ulker injury like a girlfriend, I would lean towards this is a smash. You think I would think so if you have concerts and shit planned and he's also flown to visit her before to like they've done a long distance relationship. John jealous. Yeah. John laws long distance relationship best. There's just no answer for her. No. I I mean, I would say I I would I would not tell the other guy. No. I would not tell either guy either story. But it sounds like she wants to just be done with the fly out, dude. And CD, right. Right. She's like if nobody wants to be exclusive. Do your thing. Oh, I thought it was like she was trying to pick one of she. No. I don't think make. She was more concerned if they it's a slutty move to start sleeping with the other guy. I think well, it's probably a little bit. But whatever they're they're there will definitely be guys who are like, wait. You're like looking up with this guy, and you flew cross country and fuck another guy, and then come back like slutty whenever and some people are gonna go that called Saudi some people are gonna go. Police is putting this right now. But guys have rosters guys like. The word Rosser has been. I I saw that awkward moment. I've never heard it used in the wild. I. Roster. Yeah. I mean you. I think sex is stupid. Yeah. But you will maybe not a roster. But I feel like you have. Yeah. We're out on sex sex is replayed. It. It's just so it's podcast. Yeah. We talked about how much we don't like. Played out. It's it's old hat, really. If you're still fucking you're gay. You are if you you're still fucking your child grow up at stop fucking. I should've never asked you guys day questions about this. You know, it's just such a reduction. Like did you come to do not? Are you faking? Did you like it or you hooking up with someone else? What do I do about this other girl? I gotta clean up like as a home hung and it's much easier. Just to be alone. So much less. Just so sad. So sad for the book. I want to go girls perspective. Okay. We were talking out of our asses a minute ago for borstal goal to is like the words coming out of our asshole. Because we don't know we're talking about my thought, my theory, I'll start with what I know for sure for a guy coming is coming like, whether I master rating or whether I'm having sex with the girl came actual, call it orgasm things funny. When a guy has an actual like nut will feel the same. Okay. Now, if the sex is awesome. And we're doing a lot of kinky shit in between. It's not a fun. That's awesome. Like, mentally. But like the feeling on my dick gonna be the same. How how does that translate for girls? It's not the same. Right. We were. Right. Fucking just guessing you're so I have no idea what the fees feels like this the way, that's like, my masturbation orgasm. We'll be exactly the same. I feel girls rather have sex with a guy. And I think that's why it's easy for us to be on sex. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, that also depends on like the situation like how into it. You are good at sex. Yeah. No, it's different. Right. So we know that's where guys are able to give up sex Dodd once again shout out to the band for making me a man. It's awesome. We've talked about this. So happy of the deal with that bullshit. It's all it's also different. If like, you're hooking up with somebody that can't do it for you. Then you have to do it. Then then it's okay. Well, you're just here. Yeah. You're just the body here. But yeah, no. It's definitely for girls. Yeah. So that's why I feel like you're like you can't you of sex is good. I mean, I just can't can't do it. Let's talk to Liam he's got advice for your friend Liam from Joa what up but. What? But the guy who made you equal your money on the patriots that. Oh, nice, man. Cool. Yeah. All right. I gotta get right. Fucking jersey to cash that check. And he says I have a year to do it. So I'm like it's gonna take a long time. Yeah. Yeah. It'll be a while foreign cash that check. I just wanted to say I feel like if you're talking to someone and you're embarrassed to tell them about what you're doing that weekend. It's probably wrong. So if she doesn't want to know barometer. Yup. Yeah. I agree with that. I feel I give but the problem is that I feel like girls are more prone to get ahead of themselves on that like stereotypically speaking, generally speaking, either person, can but like. A guy could go to a girl and be like I got plans this weekend. And it could be a catastrophe for the girl. Whereas I think vice versa. If it's early on enough. The guy will be like, all right, whatever. Like, yeah. I guess it's like, but but that is a good like, you know, you're at least approaching it when you're like, I'm gonna get in trouble. If she knows this. You know what I mean? Yeah. But I also feel like if you even if I was going like a first date with a guy, and I had plans to go somewhere with another guy that weekend. I would still feel weird just being like. Oh, yeah. Like this weekend. I'm going to hang out the dude, I don't necessarily know if that barometer of you. I mean, you can't you shouldn't be like an asshole of someone. That's okay. It's just the first date. So I'm gonna tell her tell right coconut someone else's weekend. But I think, you know, whether you are whether it's reasonable for you to be like, quote, unquote, and that's fair. You know? All right. I'll relay that she wanted to call in and ask yourself. I was like I think I'll just do that. Colin tell her to call in a little a little color like all, right? You like better. And if you want to give up one, do you not want to give all right? I'm gonna have her call in whatever, you know, you guys have to ask her all these questions. That's the name of the game right now going to get brutally honest with you. It's a dicey world, especially with like online, dating apps and shit where it's like you're gonna only four days a week if you want they dating thank God. I never got into the habit. I haven't really idea that I could right now. I'm like, I'm just not doing that. It must be so expensive. Oh, go on a lot of days. Have you seen the girls that New York that use it for like free meals? They do like the dates at lunch and dinner. And they just like the guys they don't think they're really interested in they do lunch dates so that they'll get their lunch paid for. And then they go out at night for dinner. I you know, it's like the it number. She's gonna she's gonna call in. Oh, you're just took the two. Okay. Perfect. The series of the snake. You make. With those girls. But God damn it's grimy. I don't think. So I got a problem with it. You think it's you think it's I don't think it'd be buying me with meal is like you deserve. You own me anything. I I'm talking about this yesterday. I'm very and drinks and shit for it. There is also don't like sex, so. Yeah. Coach John eating fuck you on. I'm I'm the dream guy for these girls. Okay. See you later, but you don't have the money run out of money. That's the thing. I think if you pick your targets. Well, so you, you know, you got some like big Cahoon who's gonna take you a nice lunch. Whatever that's just like a fucking too. Yeah. That's her. Okay. Wasn't it? We're going to keep that quiet. Okay. Let's give her a big name. You gave her fake name? You want your fake name, Casey? Louise is on the line. Louise, how are you? Good. How are you? Good. So Casey just gave us a rundown of the the situation you're in. If I if it sounds, right. There's a handful or you tell me you tell me where you're at. Tonight, he'll situation. I mean, I'm really not complaining about it. I I just feel like I have a couple of options I have a bench currently. And I'm kind of you know, I was telling casing I don't know if I should guilty. But at the same time like I don't at all. But at the same time, maybe I should. And I were talking about it last night. And I'm kinda like, well, even like when do I you know, they might have going to be the one that needs to make you know, moved. Why did it make establishments or do? I just leave one of the guys step up and say, hey, I want to be with you. But like, I don't know. I'm kind of you know, kind of going with. Oh, I wouldn't. Is that like, no guys? No one say, I mean, I would say not not because like I want to remain on the edge. I would just say I wouldn't say because like it was just an awkward conversation. Well, there's yeah. There's a couple of reasons. I mean, I could see a guy calling up this show being Lincoln hooking up with his girl. I'm pretty sure she took it over the guys. But I don't really care. It's a good situation. Should I do anything about it? It's like, yeah. Just ride that wave. I'd also think there's plenty of guys who just don't want to have any sort of confrontation at all where you have to have an awkward conversation. So. Murdo where they don't want girls looking up with anybody else. Yeah. But that's like, I mean, if do you think that there's any guys, right? Any of those guys are now are like want to be with you in a relationship because I think you only bring that conversation when you're like, I wanna be with like be with you. And it will hurt me if you're with other people, I don't think he burnt out point. 'cause like one of them, you know, the only one date another one that's been a couple of days. Another one there's been some hookups and another one. Kind of similar. Look how it over. Having I'm having in my best life in two thousand nineteen and I guess then then don't worry about any of this. Who said that? I said he's flying you out this weekend to visit him the fourth one. And they're like, well that changes everything I do think the fly out is like you're going to you're going to be with him for like a whole weekend. You're planning events you doing things together, you're sleeping over a couple of nights that either can just be like, yo and flying this girl out to smash or that's like all of a sudden you guys one of one party might like the other one by Sunday night. I think it's going to be the the first option, I think we're just kinda 'cause ease. Right. You know, we're we're doing the old switcheroo and I'm coming to visit him. But like, then the by I'm like all detail, you tell here he was her wedding date and they spend New Year's Eve together. I'll wait a minute. Brad. Yeah. What did some major shit with this guy now plying you around your flying a him? We haven't talked that much since then like hardly at all, right? Husband. At work. No, it's not. I I would say that you should just do your thing. And like, you're not you're not really lying anybody. There's no. Media like this. Yeah, he's going to blow up in your face. And do you even care now? Well, you know scenario I had a good time. How many details let's get your number? This weekend. How can I share all details right now? Sure. The guy at home like where she lives is also her co worker so it blows up with her being with the guy on the road. You are. We're. So I know you never get to life just happen to do. Is is is there one of them or a couple of them that are better than the other? Like are you flopping around for like I'm gonna fl fly there for mediocre sex or the guy in my coworker right next to me can throw down. I would say if I choose it would probably be the one back home, the the the one that probably has the most implement like the the biggest issues if if things were to go bad the co worker, but I mean, there's also there's another one. There's one doing more. And it's I hate to say it's kind of like, it's too easy. And then there's one that I've been on like the first day that I'm kinda like, okay. Like, there's definitely like attraction there, there's chemistry. But we don't know each other that well, but you have a mutual friend in comment. So it's kind of like, okay. Like, I know a little bit more about him. I know he eating like some random stranger. So I like, you know, I have somebody that about for him. So I don't know girl. See I'm interested to see how things are going to happen when I get back home. Yeah. I mean, are you going to go social media dark like, I assumed they follow it Instagram or something, right? We only follow each other. I mean, Seattle like you. When you go out, you're just gonna post a picture of like your wine glass at the bar, but it's not like with anybody. You're just supposed to be solo or with a cat fight or something. Keep the air of mystery. Yeah. You do that will heirs of history. There were no answers here by the oh, I mean, I think you ride this with the full expectation that someone or maybe two are going to find out, and you might have to have a tough conversation or a little bit of a blow up, but look every lens messy and nothing ends relationship. You're going to go sour. So just fuck all these guys wherever and whatever you want until it blows up and then find more and then the blow. Happens every everything in the whole world your life ends Vesey. Everyone poops themselves when they got on to the next. Future. Louise is probably. Get your Louis s. Dirty is the reward. The only is the minute. I feel like you think that you're like you're going to hurt someone and you care that you hurt someone until you hit that point smoking. That's what I'm saying. So how about this? I should probably call back in next week. The. Yes, you should. Yes. We knew that you should you should also just call me. The. This call was like what's that? I said we can exchange numbers. And then like if you want to hang out or meet up, or whatever I mean, there's still you know, there's plenty of room. I mean. Football TV or like a fifty three man roster. How many how many people are on the bench? We'll see even I can do. We will find out. All right. Keep us posted on this weekend. And you do your thing that was like that call was in the equalizer when Denzel goes to like the woman's house, and she when he leaves? He was like he was just asking for permission. That's what it's called. What advice you wanna talk? Them permission to be a little hussy. Granted you just text me. And she goes what a disaster. I mean, the co worker twist the and the there here's another twist and she's not on the line anywhere. But this isn't even better twist. So the coworker was her best friend, and the co worker and the guy that she's going to see this weekend. The three of them were like going out together Jesus Christ. That's and at the time. But she didn't know at the time she wasn't hooking up with the co worker that coworker was just her friend, and then they started hooking up. And so now, it's like the three of them had all been out together and stuff, you know, you know, like some people like like getting caught like the voyeurism. Yeah. She likes to watch the world plus the fire. It's hot. It's hot don't touch like this is the g has to be getting off on the idea. That is definitely gonna blow up almost like one hundred percent. I'm going to be honest in the conversation that I had with her last night. I don't think she thinks that's going to happen. Then. No hostile. Does. She know they're not friends. They're not friends have gone out today guy, flew in to where she lives and the three of them were going out like on the weekend, and the co worker slash best friend slash now. Fuck buddy knew that they were together. Now, he doesn't care now. He doesn't care. He is going to be like, hey man, do that flew in for the weekend you fucked. Let's go if he if he likes her, which I'm assuming if you're a co worker and all that shit like you probably there's some feelings. But then then he's in eventually be like is that still going on if he's catching feelings? That's about it. And I think that was the whole point was just like, okay. So like, do you just cut the Rosser immediately? Or what I think I think I gave the best advice as usual. Once. Once you start doing silver stuff that it's time to not everyone is as drunk as you are. With that. Like, not everyone has drives. You are. Okay. So they're not the best panel right now. What about like Netflix and chilling type of thing though? Like, I think that's not as I don't know. And it's not like a weird exclusively we go do something, you know, when you're doing something coupley do. But I don't think that means like, well, we're sober watching TV together. So we are now that's where my bar is silver. So so yeah, but yeah, just like like, yeah. If oh are we not actively destroying our bodies? We care about each other. We actually like things to talk about I- girls. Do this might not be a guys thing girls. Think about it too. From like if it starts getting where you're getting ready with them or like, brushing your teeth and shit like at the same time. Like, that's like a girl thing. It's like we were like that's couple like you don't do that with somebody. You don't really like through that does that make sense. I don't know just thinking about my own personal. I mean, I just I just know that I always get like cutesy and nice and friendly, and I'm like, well, I like doing that. But now, it's putting out this vibe that we're like together all of a sudden, it just becomes like don't be nice that just a lie on stachel. That was the funniest the whole conversation. I think it's the first. Chevy. And she tells it how it is. She tells it how it is for. Louise, let's hit a break when we come back little extended segment to wrap up the day here before chicks and the office takeover C K feature and final Burke. I'm forty five. Okay. So we know we know where Louise is at sounds like sounds like she wants to just bang all these guys know see that that is where I will stand up for her. Now, I think that's absolutely an element of that. But she is looking for a relationship at set point. She's not trying to force it. But she's not just like I'm just going to go hook up with all these people. She does want to be in a relation moving forward. She's thirty years old. She wants that whatever she just is not going to put the pressure on it because it hasn't worked out in the past cream. Come to you let the game come. So obviously four different guys are in the mix two of them seriously one she is currently out of town with as we speak. He flew out the one at home, which I think we talked about it on the segment that's kind of the one she's more interested in like, there's the co worker element works with them lives near him can see him often. They have a little bit of history hanging. Very close friends before things degrees end in disaster. Oh, you wait. You with the update? So she was visiting me this week. And she's just going to hate me. Because now everybody's gonna know who she is. But she was in New York this week. So she was with me on Wednesday night. We had a few glasses of wine few bottles, wine, whatever and we're talking about God knows what and her face. She looks at her phone and her face just drops. All right. Spill what the fuck is going on. I'm gonna feel bad. If someone hurt our show is that what it is. No, okay. They're going to feel bad now. Because now they're going to know who she is as we I didn't even say she was in New York. I didn't say anything. Now, people are probably gonna know. She is a group text group chat. The group chat with all of her co workers and close friends from home that they talk about planning out whatever, and they all for some reason shared their locations. Now, I don't understand that. I'm not a big like location share my best friend has it that lives in New York. Because if I go missing, I want her to know where I am. And my parents have it again, I don't care if they know where I'm at just in case, I'm missing they all share it. The guy that she is talking to slash your faces. So cringe-worthy right now, the guy that she's at home, the one that she likes sent a video in the group chat of this girl chat a bar sitting on a barstool clearly is with her and Kevin. When I tell you that this girl was a smoke. This girl was so hot so hot. And it's her like the phone is like right up next to her face. She's got her tits out, and she's like dancing, and like he clearly didn't mean a Senate to this group. She then wait, that's the guy. She's like talking to on the whole from home home, the one that she likes all her to send a video of some chick. Twos. Boys, or whatever sends it to the wrong group chat with the girl with Louise who he's talking out with in the group check and everyone in the group chat knows that him and Louise hooked up because like the kind of the cat got out of the bag. So like, this is the wrong group chat. It had to have been the wrong group chat. So then she shows it to me and hurry meteorologist is like this girl looks not great. And I'm like. Yeah. Like oh. She's like she's not hot. I it was a girl reaction. Right. Right. You're like this chick. So. On eleven out of ten I know fence like a left. So she just spins owning like, well, he's with some other girl, but she's like a six, and you're like, no this the hottest girl ever. She didn't say a six because you can't call a girl that looks like that is six but like, but you. Spends on this again, she's not an exclusive relationship. At the wrong, but he's kinda doing anything maze. Yeah. So she goes to the info on the group chat and sees everyone's location and realizes that he had also gone out of town to be with a girl that weekend. So she was trying to hide that she was going out of town. They're both flying out was also trying to hide that he was out of town with another girl and just happened to send it in the wrong group. So that guy probably realized what he did. And was like, oh, FOX, I an aunt not realizing that she was also kind of like. Doing hurt to like that to me that just like offsetting penalties. Yes. But like, yes. And in there, and Louise is like understanding of that like she was more just like what the fuck and the moment, she was like, look like I'm obviously flying out to, but it was more of a rational it. It took a few hours to get there. Again, there are a lot a lot of just like, I don't know what to say, right. But she might her whole thing was is this guy who she thought a relationship may eventually come because close they were just like putting it interface. So then she's like, oh, this is even more casual than I thought, but he was played more of a mistake. Well, right. But I don't I actually haven't talked to her about it since. So I don't necessarily that's probably a bad friend move by me. I probably should be like I think too that he sent that to the wrong group, and it can have that one back. He would and he didn't wanna throw it interface. Maybe or maybe he's just an asshole. I dunno me. Yeah. That sounds like if if it's not if it's intentional. That's just an asshole move. Right. It's just like I do. I there have been relationships or like, whatever you call them that I've been in with guys that are just complete assholes. And none of them have done something like that. Yeah. That's just straight up. Just like I mean, that's also that's also like shooting yourself in the foot if you've had some sort of thing going and you want to like, hey, when we're home we hook up. It's like. Probably ruined that. Yeah. Move or the. The the crazy girl mind or maybe maybe I can't speak for more. Maybe she just going to be like. Oh, yeah. That's absolutely going to happen. I wish that she could add me on the group chat. Because I group chats as much fun as they are. They're so d- they are so dangerous just phones and texting in general the amount of times. I've McCain of like, I will text you when I'm talking about you sort of thing. We're all come very close. See I haven't had that with my iphone as much. I it doesn't matter. What I'll just be like. All right. I'm going to text like man Casey's a fucking bitch. And I realized that fucking sending it to Casey only close. That was a close one close one. But it comes come fucking close. Very often used to happen to me with the Nokia brick phones back in the day. When you first started texting because you couldn't like, obviously, you're looking at tiny little screen and your brain wasn't in like bowed yet. I gotten so many catfight catfights like verbally. I never got an actual physical fight. But I would get myself in trouble because I would be talking at thirteen years old fourteen years old talking about another girl and then sending it to them and on those funds. There was no damage control. You know who God? I don't I haven't done that on my iphone. I've accidentally sent things to group techs. I shouldn't like the there's so many of them. Yeah. The worst is to I'll have a group chat that has like three people. And then I'll have a group chat that has those three people plus a fourth. You know what I mean? So I I I'm like all right. Yeah. That's the group chat and not realizing it's the one with the fourth member who like shouldn't be seeing that maybe shouldn't have group chats with the person that you're just casually hooking up with your boys. Like, this is like what is that grew? I don't I don't really have many mixed group chats, I had one that I was in when I was living in Texas, and at first it started of all of us just being like, social friends, and then as the group ever since fucking each other became there was people like anatomy, people out of it. What are we do? This is the messy thing group chats. I mean, do we really need to be able to just mass text everybody to the point that we're going to include so many people which can cause drastic problems. Yeah. Because because you know, why? Because then Alex Affi, and I wouldn't have a show. Yeah. Waning ability nights at Alex and Casey talking that shit catch up with the rest of last week. Like, I said gone girl. We did who would you want to have a threesome with in Hollywood guys and girls fights joined us the whole week, which is always just a whole nother bag of tricks Marty mush mush the most contact because I I haven't heard any of it. We were out. We were out the whole time. Trysofi guy is something and you can listen to them again today as you after you're done catching up with the best of we'll be out again for the Monday episode of C C K. So we're out moesha's in your living in it. Yeah. They come in for therapy. And I think Louise is going to call in and tell us how when yes, she did send me a snapshot this morning of his place. It's a pretty nice place. So hey, God that going for it. There you go. Maybe. Two to he's doing good girl. We'll see you guys live next week power eighty five one two three c k maybe jars back. Maybe he's not who knows you might have died. Come get some. Kevin Kevin Kevin Kevin. You're just ridiculously stupid. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome. Here comes. It's fucking after noon. And sometimes you never know what's gonna happen. Casey's miss Jared. Jared. I don't know baseball shit. I I kind of forgot that he was a traitor. Got your train it. Yeah. He's doing some baseball shit. So he's out forgot about that till now. So it's me Casey, no final Burg. We supposed to be at eleven to film case radio nowhere to be found. So he could be dead. So how often does this happen that often this this this is when like there's always a chance fights are gonna miss a flight or something like that? But usually comes to work. I mean record the podcast the Super Bowl Sunday or Monday, whatever day it was. And I thought he was dead. Yeah. That that's typical fights. When when he's supposed to get on a flight. He always cuts short usually just comes to work, but nothing no response. So I mean, I've been doing blogging podcasting and radio for about a decade now and one of the things I used to think of when I first started was like what if there's just nothing one day. What if there's nothing to write about one day? What if there's no controversy to explore what if there's no drama? When the internet is empty one day, and and every single time, it proves to me that there's no such thing. No, such then you just never know what's gonna come next. And in a matter of let's call it, maybe twelve hours between me discovering the rumor that gun girl pooped herself at a party and now well now we're set up for a feud for the ages now set up for another KFC Twitter war the likes of blind os. And Han does and everyone else I've ever gone to battle with. So Caitlyn Bennett is her name the aka gun, girl, the gun girl gone girl, you know, or if you plug internet degeneracy, the rest of us, you troll around Twitter all day long. You know, gun girl. She is this chick from Kent state university. I believe I think so she just walks around with a fucking gun everywhere. She very pro open about our second amendment. And I mean, she's just got to be the most suffer person on the planet. Not even like, I mean, politics aside agree, disagree that sucks. It's like all she does is this like I like my gun stick. And that's all she is the most one dimensional like like, I said insufferable person that maybe I've ever come across on the internet because she's that bad where it's like, this is what you've chosen to do with your life. And there's so many people that agree with second amendment stuff. I mean again from Texas understand all four, you know, whatever you want believe gun control. But if you are going to put it on the internet, and you're going to be so in front of your anybody's faces whether you're one side or the other you're gonna catch ship for right? I mean at this point, that's ultimately, what Sola me to spend the picture. So the rumor going around is that that gun girl shit herself at a party first of all where did you see this on Twitter, of course? We're all greatness occurs. Casey, Twitter dot com. I figured, but I just was kind of hoping that somebody sent you a tip. I know you don't like on girl. A couple of videos of guys running up on her. Hey, I'm here with Caitlyn Bennett. And she thinks he's about to do like a regular interview in there. Like is it true that you shit your pants, actually Zata? We have those clips we drop them. I everyone here with Caitlyn Bennett, aka gun, girl. Right. Is it true? That you sit yourself at Kent state party. That you just play the second one. The second one's even funnier. This guy just yelling. Hey caitlin. How does it feel having the whole world know that you pooped your pants you? Poof your. The way he says kills me reminds you the damn Daniel kid the way he says, did you Tam Daniel throwback. So there's this rumor going around that gun girl pooped herself, which is just it just brings me so much joy. It's so soft Moric, it's so stupid. And it just brings it just puts such a big smile on my face knowing that this girl who is such a fucking joke, but everybody, but she thinks she's so important, and she takes herself so seriously, and she's convinced she's doing this like good God's work for the political rights of the, blah, blah, blah. And it's just like, well you've been completely rendered a total joke because everyone just thinks he shit yourself at a part. It is very sophomore Kevin goals. But that's what's so perfect. Is that the only way to combat Twitter trolls, like her are to stoop down to the same level? Like this girl, all she will do is troll around college campus like looking for someone who disagrees with her. Were spouting off like the ridiculous stats that are. So framed in a way that make that make guns look amazing and all that shit like if you're going to just do that and make your whole existence gun girl. Well, then you're going to get the same shit on the other side for people who hate you wanna tear you down and are going to say that you poop yourself at a party. And that's what I was saying. Like, regardless of what side you take anything political or social issues, if you are insufferable about it, Republican democrat, whatever people are going out, you they're gonna come out with anything like Tommy Laron who has made rear off. And honestly Queen Tom is we shit like Brit mckenry tries to replicate it. Nobody would love to be Tommy Laron. Tommy layer is Queen. She knows exactly what the fuck. She's doing. I don't agree with her. I don't think I would ever sell out completely the way she did for for for the for the fame and the money, and whatever everyone call it. She did. And she does it incredibly smart fuck outta her craft. Yeah. And the rest of them trash trash. Trash Tommy's entertaining about it. She knows how to do it. She knows how to hold their own a little bit. These other girls get the fuck out. And Tommy, I mean, you have Cardi B going after Tommy and back and forth, and you get everybody on their side. And that's the whole thing is being polarizing that's the whole point of political Twitter, but this gun girl. I honestly I haven't I don't follow her. So I don't really I know exactly who she is. Because I see the pictures the come and take it is obviously a big thing down in Texas and the hallway what's that? So come and take it as like like, come and take my guns don't want. If you don't want me to have guns. Come and take it. It goes all the way back to like the civil. Yeah. That's her thing. Yeah. Coming to. Yeah. So the there's like flags she's engaged now shot her. I think it's his her manager. I wanna see I've been just deep deep diving on her Twitter since I saw you're going back and forth. Yeah. I like the her response to you. Oh, okay. Yes. So yeah. I wrote the blog, and I've been I said, basically, you know, like I said you've just been rendered obsolete. It's it's so stupid. So sophomoric that you can say whatever you want and people will now say, but you put your pants, and so she tweeted me a link to the New York Post when the tabloids are writing about me at my marriage, my infidelity and everything so she says liberal sports writer, that's a that's a fucking knew him trying to defame you over lies. But let's not get this progressive hero cheated on his wife left. This are hypocrites. This is real toxic masculinity. So. But here's the thing. You put your pants. So it does matter. The response by you. I was like I think it's always always gonna be the response. Now, you are no longer gun girl. You are. Now poop girl, you can say whatever you want about anybody. You put your pants at a party. I when I was reading this back and forth. I was like, okay. So first of all, I don't care who you are. We're we're not gonna paint you as somebody who cheated on his wife because you're liberal than allies like that right there as somebody who wants to stay away from politics publicly like I looked immediately got your entire argument. And they and that's the thing about her too. Is that that's her stick? There's no other recourse. There's no other train of thought. It's like if you just agree with me, your leftist lib, cuck soy, it's like that's the same answer every time. No matter what is going on. It's because it's just your routine. It's just your fucking stick. You're out here. The same way we all are looking for views. You're looking for followers. You're looking for clicks. And you have sold your soul in the form of being the gun girl to do it. It's the same fucking thing. Like, I said as all your other girls Tommy Laron used to do her liberal shit. Then she realized us not hot. It's not working. Switch over the conservative side blow the fuck up run with it. Go to your. Mchenry sports thing didn't work out on going to politics. What's hot right now? Maga- this thing. I'll be on that side, whatever fine. It's just like don't get it. Twisted. You're not you're not doing the Lord's work. You're not some like political hero. You're not leaving your Mark on history. You move who ans-? It's I mean, it's pretty childish. But that's what you're going out. So simply fled. She didn't even pooper pants. It's so symbolic like that girl. She walks around with dumping her pants. You know that there's going to this war is going to go for a while. I mean, I mean how how bad are you mentioned right now. Let's see they've got to be bad. But China, I know you're honestly, I have so unfazed. I am I am so ready for these type of things. Now, I am completely unfazed which is a great place to be end. Because obviously, you're mentions are going to be a dumpster fire today. I just the whole thing with her trying to paint you as a bad person because you're a liberal or it's so. It's like I I feel like if she would have come back with almost anything else. I'm just lip cook. Oh, let's see who's on the phone. What have we got? Fred from Tampa. You wanna weigh in what he got? Yeah. No one wants to hear this. No one wants to suck in here. Hear what? No one wants to like. Sports. My guy. You poof, your pay Japan's to chat sports. Welcome. Welcome to the show. Dude. I I actually feel I've I've thought about gun girl before I feel very bad for I feel like she has probably either been like. Like, somebody told her to do this or the people got behind her made her feel she has to do the gun part. Like, I say that she doesn't believe it. I'm saying that like I think that the world is so overly politicized now and everything has to be so hotly contested, and so black or white and so in your face so viral that I think that she started. This surely unsure, you know, I'm sure she believes in it. But the amount of conservative people who are like rallying for it and want her to do it and exploiter manipulator of four, sir. Push her to do it like this is not how you wanna live your life. Man. You can't wanna live your life this way. She's graduated. I guess you still like always around campus making videos drama, fuck and fight people on guns like what? What are you doing and not be you wanna live your life? Your pants the stupid, Mike in your hand. I honestly I feel like that. She didn't actually do that at a party. And I feel like now I mean again, social media is so toxic. Like just now. First of all I'm being corrected. Come and take it is not about guns. It's about it was in the Texas revolution. It was a canon. I people use it for guns. Now, people will be like come in. You can come in shake it. It's from like the battle of Gonzaga. I am corrected. I'm going to be honest. I think it's. Applied to guns. Well, that's that's the whole point you go look at her profile. It's like come and take it with her machine gun. So that's the way people are acting now back in the whenever it wasn't like eighteen thirties. Whenever Texas was using that, I don't think they expected girls to be carrying it around on campus. Come and take it. But again, if you can assault rifle on your back as you walk around in your sundress or your fucking graduation photo, you're on the opposite side of it. And you are just completely anti-guns. And whatever again like, I don't wanna go political on this. You are going to get caught in the fire. You are going to be caught on social media. I mean, there's just no way to go about it. If you are that polarizing, we all know that's going to happen. However, this girl just immediately dubbing you as a leftist is just liberal sports. I mean, I don't I and people on the left do it to like, oh this conservative. And it's like, well, that's why that's why I love borstal because we both like how get this is. You're like fuck and. Right wing. All right maga-, bro. And then I get this like the the liberal fuck lip. Cock. It's like, well, guess what that probably means. It probably means I'm pretty in the fucking middle. Sometimes I piss off one side sometimes piss off site 'cause I'm somewhere in the middle like rational fuck in person on pretty much every issue in the world because we we don't talk politics. Like, I feel like rational people reasonable people. Like, if you think you should have guns, you probably like, yeah. But we should probably have some more controls on it because things are not going that. Well, that's a pretty reasonable. It's just I feel like because at barstool you can say one thing. I mean, how many times we have gone after day 'cause they think he's like Donald Trump, Dan because he likes the crafts, and whatever it's just like, okay. Like social media. There's going to be no tone. There's going to be nothing. But now for you, are you are the leftist cheater now in these people's minds, and she is the poop pants girl. Let's go Bob from California. But he got. Bobby? Don from New York. What do you got done and Dan sorry, Dan? Gonna say. Self identified conservative. I don't think going girl definitely speaks for what I believe in. I almost feel like that style in majority thing. She's completely like shitting on like, she doesn't represent true conservative values. He's almost like an embarrassment. So her coming out I guarantee on her. I guarantee anybody who really takes this shit seriously, and really, you know, values their political beliefs and their social beliefs, and, you know, take the time to educate and learn about it and can debate it eloquently and understands that Lakshmi listened to the other side, or you're not immediately, elliptic soy, boy, or whatever may be any of those people have to hate this. Because she's making it till mockery beginning to joke. Nobody takes you. Seriously. Nobody knows who you are. You don't have any credibility to run around. Your interviews. Stick your mic and people's faces chasing him around. Now, your poop pants girl. Like, you're Joe, it's all the fucking joke. Now, you're just becoming part of the internet machine. Bob from California try this again what Bobby? Joe that come on what's up, even even funnier. And her newest tweets you, and she calls you wife teeter, just like using that as an insult and saying that pooping your pants isn't as bad as cheating on your wife. When actually is a website that made an entire career out of people like just cheating on their spouses, but I'll see any like poop pants gathering going on. Anyway. I think I don't know. I don't know. The argument I'm going to go with I am not sitting here. I'm not gonna sit here. And that's not go with that one and promote and back cheating on your wife. You should not do it. It was a big mistake mind. I'm just at the point where I've made peace with that. I moved on. I don't care. I'm not going to be like, well, there's websites cheating bio, there are probably websites pooping there's websites four fucking by the way that guy comparing Ashley Madison. I mean, what what a spin. Hey, good for him trying to I appreciate it. Don't need help. Let's not. Nobody arguments myself. It's not Bob will New Hampshire where he got. First off donny's reply to your tweet was so funny know, if you saw it was your your die or you live long enough to become a progressive here or something like that. Liberal sports writer and progressive hero. Congrats Casey your internet. I star. But so the government shutdown all about like security airports, like not being able to get paid. So she had a tweet saying that he essay was a waste of taxpayer money. So this girl's not right. Yeah. She's a lunatic. She wants no airports. No. I mean will. She's not even I she's it's dumb. What she's doing is dumb? What she's doing is? All trolling for clicks. That's what she wants to. Do. Here's doesn't know. You weren't info wars which that Alex Jones is whole stick already said works for info wars like official employees of info wars. Yeah. Look at the videos on Instagram Twitter. She's always walking around with either oversize, Gunnar info microphone, just annoying. The fuck outta random people. Pretty funny. Yeah. I mean, come on. Now, if we're if we're going on Infowars route, I definitely can't take you seriously. I mean, working for info wars. Like this. She she's just what she's probably twenty two or three or something like that. You don't know what you're talking about? Yeah. Have no clue year, not experienced. You're not educated in this read a couple of facts, you know, some shit off Twitter, you regurgitate the fucking cliche lines. You want to be popular you wanna be conservative. You wanna be tough and shoot your guns. And you do this. You're you're. I didn't know the TSA. Thanks again. I don't follower. But anybody who thinks that TSA is a waste of taxpayer money has literally never been to an airport because I'll tell you what I know that you had to travel over Super Bowl weekend too. And that was right around the government shutdown, and they I swear to God they still ended that because of the Super Bowl. Nobody's ever gonna say that. TSA is very valuable very very very valuable. And they might be annoying that you have to wait in that line. It might be annoying. You have to go to the screening. But listen I'd like to go on record and say much appreciate. Eight everything that TSA does if you remember the TSA call up what is that? What you think about I was so bad for the people that were having to go to work during the government shutdown without getting paid. But I'm like these people are doing it because people have to travel talk about heroes, they heroes. What are we doing here? In New Jersey went up semi. Doing she. Goes crazy, man. Honestly, the the way that I'm looking at here is it would be a real shame. If liberals and conservatives got together and under every one of dumb bitches post Roach, pooped her pants. I would really hate that Sam. Honestly, I think we could. I think we could solve Kevin problem. Kevin is starting up his girl suck so bad that we could unite the progressives. And the bucket gets over to the liberals everybody coming together and common ground this girl sucks. I only thing we can all agree on in this world. I mean, I have a lot of friends who are who have concealed carry who have gun licences, probably hate this Bill. Just like if you if you really want to believe that you have those rights which again, I'm not getting political with it. Like, I grew up in a household that had guns like my dad wasn't like running around. Like, hey, everybody, I have guns. It's like, no I have guns because I'm using it for protection. And that's why I have them. I don't have you put in your walking. Around the fucking assault rifle on your back at a graduation. No, not what this meant for. It's not the people who take it. Seriously. Take it serious. Actually, there's no question like any of my guy, friends and some of them listen to some of our in the oilfield, Kevin's. Oil Ray calling because that's the thing is like growing up in an NA state where obviously gun laws are different than where we are. Right now. I don't remember anybody being like look at me. I have these guns in back. We talked about this last week. I was put around gun. So I didn't do that. Let me learn this girl fl she thinks guns are cool. And that's why she wants to look cool. She wants to be edgy. It's it's unique for it to be a female, social, it's social media likes, social media followers. It's probably a way for her to make a little bit of money. That's why you're doing it. You're not doing it for America. You're not doing it for rights. You don't give a fuck about the constitution. You're trying to be internet famous. The fuck it rest of everything is done for social media the house, whether it's Valentine's Day gifts. Whether it's your politics. But Kevin, I be honest. I did not expect this Monday to go this way for you. I mean, do you feel like honored to be in the presence of progressive hero? I mean, I I didn't. Yeah. I didn't know I was gone w I honestly, I mean, I really like you. I would have never claimed you as a hero. But if that's what we're going with. Then let's go. I don't know if anybody in this office is a hero. But I guess now we're going to start throwing by the enemy a hero. I'm more like a leftist in a liberal hero. So you make sure those correct. Yeah. You gotta get those correct. Tim from South Carolina my future hometown. What do you got? Down. Yeah. You got remember like six years ago? There's some kids like Charlotte North Carolina walk around like picking up trances grandfather's 'em on grand or stuff like that. Okay. I haven't either story on Instagram KFC. But basically it was before close to being really took off. And there's a kid good have been like thirteen years old walk around with a like a rifle on his back picking up trash is. They thought they'd be the perfect after that. I'm looking at it now rifle kid. Yeah. He did like Tosh point. Oh, he did the web. Yeah. By the first Asian this. There's people going viral for their guns for a long time now. Caitlyn caitlin. Whatever knows it Charlie from Philly. What do you got? Talk about 'cause all things plenty because. It's being accused fail. But she denied it. Take a look at someone like that. He only for yourself thing. I wonder if she accepted the girl name that kind of change whole narrative, you you have to accept it. When the internet decides your fate. It's over you cannot fight. It you have to roll with it big catch shoot himself at the fucking dog park. Okay. There was a picture. Somebody took a picture with him. Be like, hey, what's up I met big cat at the dog? He literally had shit in his pants at that moment. It came on the fucking podcast. He joked about it. That's it. It's over nobody calls. Dan, poop pants guy because he owns it. It doesn't matter. I've owned my shit. I don't care. I care. It was bad. I should have done it. I've moved on. It doesn't affect me anymore. You doing this and fighting this. It's like you can't it's a mouse trap. But shop the more you struggle. The tighter goes, I mean, yes, there's no doubt about that. But you do understand the difference between a narrative like that with a guy and a girl, right? Yes. So Lutely because a lot of things that big cat can do that. Like, I mean, when it comes like sophomoric stuff guys can do more sophomore things, and it's funny girls cannot, and that's just the way it is like I mean, there's just that's just the I'm not saying that she should own it and be like shit myself. If she didn't do it if you when you start to respond to this stuff. Yes. That's I agree with that you either have to own it or ignore it laugh it off like she would've been real smart to just be like, I don't know crack a joke about, you know, rather than going like the leftist liberal progressive no-doubt of the New York Post out because now it's like, well, what we struck a chord for a reason so true or not we know that it drives you crazy. What your girl? I I mean. Yeah. See internet, mud. I'm wanting to defend myself. Everybody is guilty of wanting to defend themselves on the internet. When you realize that these people are win. You can't cannot you cannot win. There's nothing you. Until there's something that galvanizes everybody like it's like the bar so people it's like, you know, everybody can go against barstool personalities until it's barstool versus everybody. And then everybody's galvanized. You're not thing. I mean in politics are things that you're fighting that nobody's ever going to agree upon true until something galvanizes them until something unites. And this is what one maybe someone with a microphone and a gun in a bad haircut. Maybe that could just galvanize the world, Casey. I if this galvanizes the world, I we for our future spokesman look back. I weep the year was two thousand nineteen was torn apart until the hero stepped up the progressive here. Okay of see and the the spark that just United the world. This is what a time to be alive. What a time to be alive. And it's so funny because like there's a time where like I said, you never know it was gonna pop. And and when it did pop off I would get excited because that's I mean, that's what's going on with this girl was like, wow, you make video goes viral. Or you star the pod, you get a lot of followers you get excited and you're into it. And you wanna fuck and roll with it. And and now we've just done it so many times that it's like, okay. So it's going to be gun girl that. For the rest for the next six months. Whatever let's go and everybody that jumps into the mode with barstool. I'm gonna say half of them have no idea what they're about to get themselves into and the other half do and just don't care. She's an I don't think she realized what what's funny is that, you know, each she she could've played her cards, right? And a lot of people who agree with her views in the barstool pool. But do it this way. And it's like, well, no, that's what I'm saying. You jump immediately to labeling somebody as opposite of your political beliefs whichever side you're on and he immediately immediately just alienate an entire politics. It's twitter. It's it's social media and the internet in general the term troll. Now, basically means I disagree with what you're saying. Oh, well, you just trolling saying something, you don't agree with it. And if we disagree. It's not like all right. Well, we disagree on that one topic. It's like well. All right. You must you. I'm gonna paint with this whole brush that you're fucking liberal this that thing or you're an alt-right whatever it's like, there's just no nuance anymore. I mean, have you ever been on Twitter and you're scrolling down? And you see somebody arguing about politics and be like, you know, what they have a point. Just never happened. Never have the people who spout off the most. As in any walk of life are always the most uninformed people the most uneducated people they find their one quote. So, you know, you see the same stats more people have died doing this or like, whoa. Should we ban? Should we ban cars all its the same fucking rhetoric every time, and it's like if you've ever caught yourself using those you probably don't know what the fuck you talkin about Josh from Louisiana. What's up? Man. I just wanted to call in real quick and tell that girl, look, we're conservative. It's cool. But the way you start acting like that, and we're not going to back you up. There's a way that you can hold yourself. I know what I mean and going around people you're gonna piss everybody off, usually I fucking hate you. But I'm on your side. It's not. That's the thing. It's like that some point you got two people gonna pick the lesser of two evils. You know what? I mean. I totally agree. It's like any good at she just does her thing, you know, and and has there and just, you know, get their people that's one thing. But if you wanna start calling out other people's flaws, you know, I think people are going to start digging into her history, and she's not gonna like it. Don't get in the mud if you don't wanna get dirty. But you know, that's kind of the rule of thumb here. He's still right though, about cons- again, I can't speak for all of my friends that are very pro guns. But I can't imagine any of them are like this girl. Don't know when you're you're in an argument, and and someone joins your side. And you don't want them on your side. You're like like, you're making it worse, bro. It's like when the Yankees fans in this office cannibalize each other because it was like, they're all Yankees fans. But they were all the other like, that's that's the thing is like you don't want somebody. That's so obnoxiously on one side fighting for you. If you're just like, hey, I just wanna have my guns. I just wanna be left alone. Come and take it. I'm easy for protection. Whatever like, those people are probably this girl sucks. She's the reason. People hate guns. Yes. Yes. On these people to be honest. I she's the re but represents the reason I wish there was like stricter control, but I'm not like crazy about it. But I see her, and I'm like wanna get rid of all of them just to ruin. You don't want your just want any firearms in the entire world anymore. Just so that you don't know what the fuck do with yourself anymore. Trash man. What's up? Man. This girl is a fucking ridiculous human being she's just a younger more ridiculous stupid. Tommy Laron click. They want motherfucker. Damn. I mean, I feel like a lot of people probably agree with that. Well, as a gonna die hard Republican, you know, like salt of the type person when I see that type of shit and someone who's literally just using like that belief system to fucking get clicks, they really taste the shit outta me. And she pooped her pants. So she can go. Fuck yourself. You moved your. And that's actually kind of rose me run. The most is like. Don't wanna get political. But like when I there really is. It's kind of cliche thing to say. But like the really is a time in a place like when there's a fucking another massacre that occurs, and these people are on the front lines being like, you're not go come and get it. You're not gonna take away my guns. It's like, I just can't imagine. And I I don't think she was around. She wasn't around doing this back then. But like if during the Newtown massacre, if you were the first thing you were doing was like make my my YouTube video about my guns. Like, it's just like, you know, they're literally people weeping over there dead kids right now like slow down with the whole like look at me shooting guns in my backyard. It's cool. And here's the thing. And I obviously don't know her personally. I'm sure she's a really nice girl. That's probably not. I mean, I'm trying to give her the benefit the Dow because it's like if you are a character on social media. I like to believe that somebody. That's that crazy is like like she's doing it for the Clinton. But again, if you come out, and you are on either side of it to the degree that she is on this one in their tons of other examples on social. Media. You're opening yourself up and everybody that's called in. So far are conservative single thing is like you like, so where are you going with this? I mean, that's why I have to imagine that anybody follows her really likes her. She has a lot of follower. I think so probably over a hundred thousand has got to be like the dumbest or I mean. Just trolling right or your eight following or whatever maybe follows her still follows Kevin. How Nebraska what do you got all follows are created equal. Hey, how's it going? So I've actually gone on. Fox News talk about much rides on he'll show, and I just want to say that you know, Jalen, but does it represent the two community whatsoever. Like, we kept her from coming to conferences kept her from speaking of things just because she's crazy Representative values still ever, you know, like you just said, that's no conservatives I've been calling in. You know, we don't hold her. We don't want her. Alex of when during the last election when the Democratic Party was like keep Lena Dunham out of here. We don't want to giving speeches want her fucking anywhere. Nobody likes this girl. But I mean, here's a problem. Alex. I have a brain. And I get it. So I understand what you're saying that she doesn't represent you in that. Most of you guys, I don't like her. But a lot of people don't have brains and a lot of people to see this girl with guns spouting off. Like, I said the same cliche stats one liners that like anybody who's ever read a fucking Wikipedia page can do. And so she kind of does represent you. You know? I mean, we should keep her perception becomes reality. I'm saying, you know. Yeah. I mean, I get that. She does stay alive though, through the publication. She works for liberty. Hang out. That's why like how love or followers. And you know, what what what is liberty hang out. Liberty. Hang out is like this super libertarian online publication. Like if you just look at it. You're gonna make yourself sick. It's just it's just crazy. Cain was kinda like reasonable that meant that up. Yeah. Alex Jones than no, it's not. Especially Alex Jones. Yeah. That's like how she stays alive. I mean, come on. Nobody's fucking with that stuff. That should is. Like that. Should is Joe come on. You can't be can't be expected to take it seriously. If you're rolling with Alex goddamn Jones, just. All the time on every thanks for the call. It was insightful. It isn't it? I do it with like like the jets beat writer Menashe Mehta. He's like he's a troll gets a ton of fucking clicks for the daily news because you always got anonymous sources, and he's always talking about inside the locker room somebody said this, and he says there's a quarterback controversy when this really he stirs up this shit. And I'm sure he has a lot more, followers and clicks because it, and if you just fucking said that I be okay with it. But he's like, no sports journalists. Not dude, you're just you're one step right behind me. Man. We are all in this shit to just try to stack follower stack click stack. Download the stack money. I just bit. You think that you're, you know, a political hero textbooks are gonna write about you one day? Well, what about guys though, like skip Bayless? We've talked about this. But he was so he's so good at it can't break. Right. Like, he is he he and Stephen are the kings. So if they were to break character and be like, yeah. I mean, I know LeBron is like whatever then if. Ruins it. So he's keys an act or at this point. He is like an Oscar winning actor that can't be like. Oh, no. Yeah. I'm just acting. So that I'm okay with. What where did that come from? I just got a tweet that literally makes no sense. Some you said that Casey compared Liz to Kaelin Bennett. No. I literally did not that we were talking about the Yankees fans like having like you got to go to break. Anyway. I mean that that is that is the biggest spin John. No what? Draw the line hang out on hold. You wanna call eight three eight five stool, we'll be back more radio or Clancy. The rockets are power five. And you up. Kevin Kevin Kevin. Kevin. You're just ridiculously stupid. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome. What talk at hand jobs, folks, talk at hand jobs on a Friday get it c c k rub and tug admission we got about two hours to get it in. Casey Smith final Bergen for Jerry Karabelas fights. And I were just actually at a little brunch. We're at a meeting of sorts Brian. Yeah. Broaddrick cross the street at the Smith. We were conducting some business just the two of you know, it was it was us Kelly and network, and we were talking just nothing serious, but we're talking business, and I get a text from my guy, Joey Langone, he says have fun with what what I was obviously something's happening. So put up Twitter. So we're we're sitting at this table, and I go by God. Look at John with like business people or people around like Robert Kraft guy. Arrested for prostitution. We get up. We gotta go like sorry. Great meeting like Kelly, you pay the Bill we're gone, and as we're walking over there. I find out. It's just a mere rub. And it was I don't know if I was disappointed by that. Because I we'd heard wishes about this last night me Dave taxing about it. And I hadn't that it was going to break or that. Like he was like have you heard any craft? No, what do you got? And he said apparently prostitution, but it can't be real and craft does have one of these kind of weird sex. Rumors every off season when he got that chick knocked up. There was that it was like last off season. It was like that's why Jimmy got traded was because right. Twitter fucking nonsense. One of those things. I bet you look back twenty years we get confirmation on some of them. And it was like, well, the where the smoke there was fire sort of thing. Bob, Kraft, focus, and this is much younger girlfriend that ended up at self provides it lends its its hand to some like, what's he doing? So I didn't care. No matter what I was getting Hooker. Fine. If it was a Elliott Elliott Elliott, Elliott Spitzer, Eliot Spitzer thing find it. I do not care about anything and largely the world. Does not care. Right. It's not just me being like, oh, I don't care 'cause my owner no one really gives them. Now. It's it's not a lot. There's a lot. I actually think this is this is a worst PR thing because he's getting I mean, this is some lily spas shut providence. It's like it's like a strip mall next to a fuck it. And I mean, like Chuckie cheese. I know, but that's almost like a lot of people. Like, that's how you stay billionaire, man. Not wasteful. Rubber tug that's a helluva deal to that's just the tip. Hey, the rather fee in Florida. Yeah. In Florida that way, it is the books is like if I'm getting a rub and tug. I'm like, I almost want it to be more money. So that I know it's like a class here. Join the cleanliness it was called the client clubbiness of this place was suspect. Yeah. But maybe that's also throw it in our best goodbye, though. That's maybe the port of the allure everything Bob Kraft like lated in gold and beautiful marble, and the women are pristine, he slumming it. Well, it was he get ahead from fat Asian chicken strip mall. That's Chinese food in and of itself the bad ones. The better one. Gee, Rosedale Chinese here. Upskilling of the fun of a hand job. Rub. And tug is almost like you're seeking to a bar when you're a kid. I had a, you know, this is dangerous in fucking kinda gross. When did you guys get back in like what was happening when you walked in the office? David just finish. Okay. So when it started circulating TMZ hits. And of course, like, I know you bog there's a misleading. Headline you read the TMZ article, and you're like, holy shit, Robert Kraft might be involved with human sex traffic like that is bad. So we're all whispering about it. Everybody starts. I mean, everybody like slowly start seeing it, and I guess Dave was in a meeting erica's office with the door closed. And as soon as the door opens the look on his face just like holy shit. This is fine. And everyone starts laughing. What sitting on pins and needles spider runs over to my desk, unplug. The water cooler, and it was just like how's this gonna be spin zone? And then we find out that it was you don't even spend. Yeah. How are you going to spend on human sex travel? That's I was hoping that it was going to be taken. He was buying virgins with Saudi that was hoping. I was hoping that it was. Some fucking the Mexican border. He was grabbing illegals or some shit. Because Trump I was hoping that there was at least going to be well, he didn't do it. But this ring that he's a part of they like buy and sell children in Africa. I was hoping for something anything, do, you know, how many bullets save dodge? Casey. I mean, we've. We've taken to continue to press on you bullets. We dodge took her lake gate baby drum. We all those both dodge as we absorbed them out like fucking on Hoke. No, you take a bullet in the forehead died. The patriots definitely not tied to the floor. That is spit back. Now is there? That's the spin zone. That was I mean, listen, first of all Adam Schefter, apparently just said on sportscenter that Robert Kraft is not even the biggest name caught up in this thing. Well, a lot of in Jupiter Florida typing away, your that's what I'm thinking. But I mean, just the fact that Robert Kraft was thought the list was out just Adam Schefter, apparently just said it on sportscenter. But here's the thing if everyone's just getting jerked off, this is a non non story for everybody and less salaciously a non story. It's not a it's not first of all it ain't shit for this one of those things. Fucking ocean cave radio recent where it was like would you want your dick picks out? And like, I wouldn't care. It would be it would be. I'd probably for like an hour. When people are like, call me about it. I feel awkward, but at the end of the day really give shit. It's like everyone sends those goes to fuck it hand job, right? There's nothing really you will feel shame because you've been told you should. But you really don't fucking care. I mean, I I don't think anybody would have cared if he was having sex with the Hooker. And I definitely nobody cares it. He's getting ahead. I think that the bigger the bigger thing is like the blue checkmark brigade is more about the fact that the masseuse parlor could be like in some legal Schick, it'd be like like it comes out that these are like kids, that's bad. But not for Robert Kraft. It's not bad for him could be I mean. I mean, I do I do think if you're associated and supporting something that even has it's not a fucking conventional. She like, he's not signing. Okay. I promise I won't. Yeah. Right. I don't know. I'm going to a restaurant. I didn't know everyone in the restaurants are legally, and they're there. Yeah. But if you're going someplace, that's kind of a sex worker place. I think you know, the difference though. Like, how do you see I mean difference? You know, the difference. If you walk into a massage parlor if it's not. Yeah. You don't know that what if they're being sold into sex, slavery or not? I mean, if you go to some grimy as place. Yes. Can job blowjob sex action. And then they're a part of something bigger. I think you're not like you're not like complicity not gonna get charged with it. But it's kind of like that's not a good look for you. I mean, if you go to west garden, your they very well could be I have to idea, right? But their craft like the fact that the again going back to the TMZ thing rose like he was involved with something that is involving sex trafficking. That's completely different than heated. Twin gotta rub inte-. Definitely, no doubt. I'm not. Yeah. I'm just saying that's where this can get a little bit more dicey. Were you know? It's like, well, you were funding the fucking with my fifty nine dollars. That's where the dressing. I think it's silly to even draw that compares somebody think you're complicit at all. I don't think I don't think it's even really worth talking about. It makes no sense to me to breed even get a job. It's not like grimy place. It's how we looked it up maps yet. Yeah. It was two and a half stars. Rub sets thing. Oh, yeah. I've heard I've heard this. I don't know. With two and starts on yelp. I believe I mean, rub abscesses. I mean, it's the gospel. I never heard of never heard of. I'm embarrassed. I haven't heard of Tom from Long Island Togo roadmaps, Tom. Oh my God. Absolutely yelp for brothels in your area. It's awesome. If you ever official. The comments hysterical. I mean, I to be clear I have not paid for this trip. Now, I don't I don't pay for the for. Can I can I get your logging? I'd rather really not. But I would like to see these comments for sure where fantasy meets comments. Why this joint? Rub. Matt. No, no. I know that what was the name of the place. You went to look it up on rub maps. And it was in Florida, right? Anybody? I will. I will look I will I've seen it. Because he got a nice little review for a roadmap. See what see what they say about this joint? The whole thing is I I want to somebody somebody tax tweeted me that there's a hashtag revoke the rings. Oh, no. If that's trending or just like one Astle, man. I has to be a joke. I know people are I just got somebody told me I need to turn in my vagina for making a joke about human sex trafficking. Suck dick like seriously like gadget was like like Jerker dick off with your vagina. Fuck you. Thanks for your service for the tweet that we're not we don't I'm not even going to say that. I I don't think I should have to say that. I it wasn't like I was like actually like coming out and being like mad at the end. I was just like three. No, this is going to turn into this. As soon as Dave out the press conference. It was like, you know, that deadspin and everybody else by oh barstools okay with human trafficking. So I was like, oh, I'm just gonna put this out. And now people are madly, you're a female. You should not be okay. The guy is old. He wanted to rub into if it turns out that these are this is a really really bad human sex trafficking ring, fine. Robert Kraft is not involved in that he's not or kids Asia day spa. Let's see what we got on days, by the way shout out to the patriots social team that quickly deleted a tweet from two thousand ten that said, I love story with a happy ending. That's smart. I mean, they're ahead of you know, there's a lot of the people who already would not have that out. Also, remember that who remember I'm sure they just search everything that quick that came up pretty quick with the auto fill or kids Asia, Jupiter, Florida. Let's see what we. Zero results. Boy, this is not even on. Okay. And the gospel, bro. That's so Robert Kraft. All here, we go we go eighteen reviews. I guess we can't see it until this guy said you pay I have to pay I might pay just to be able to read some of these reviews online get with the credit card twelve months for a hundred and forty nine dollars or nineteen ninety-five one hundred bucks for the year, John for the year browsers cheaper. Yeah. I mean, I mean if you if you see where. We see where to get if you need to subscribe to a treasure map for hand jobs. You're getting a lot of hand a lot of. Ed, you're just traveling a lot, but you know, the ones in your area. How how often a huge Raveling, right? These are all businessmen. Just like I love. Hampton looking for fucking handy spot. I mean, there's one comment here according to yelp and Google. This place was raided by the police on February nineteenth and shutdown as a sex pot and human trafficking. So we're going to get some of that we're going to get some of that we're gonna get some of that. Yeah. So I was on a list was arrested for months, they take the place out. So they saw they staked him out. It's not like they like there was a less. I actually I have never gonna get it. My name. Yeah. Some of the names on the list are clearly made up right? Yeah. That's why I'm confused. That's why the list because the police have been watching. There's graphic video right? Not the hand job, buddy. He's one of those guys who he anytime anything remotely legal hill tax me right away with the legal breakdown of it. And he said that he's like first of all it's going to have to be on video second of all they're going to need him clearly saying I will. I mean, that's the beauty joints. They're all just massage. Parlor also said it's it's very rare that this happens at a hinge parlor because prosecution. Prosecutors just don't think it matters. It's it's things at hand. Parlors are about the owner. They're never about the job to patriots. Right. Right. Right. So it's let lends a hand to the belief is a setup I good L. That's he's a man knows. No bounds. Honestly, no out. I'm going to have to even I'll stand up for Robert Dole. Roger Goodell this because even I I mean, I will take any chance I get to make fun of the patriots. I will take any chance. I get to tear them down. I will spin zone. I will run with it. I will exaggerate even I just as a red blooded male the rational brain was like, all right. Roger gale has. Neither of those is neither of those. I mean, he's probably listen why Roger Goodell's these behind this because he's done some kinky weird shit behind closed doors. Just a fucking off on these weird to do weird shit. I don't know. I think he's doing some game Joffrey shit. He's like beating them with sticks. No, I think he's think he's a sexual. The covers. Maybe on the anniversary for quick seven second. He's back to just like he he's like the guy. I think the Senator and punctual raccoon just stares the wall zero about like when when craft isn't good L isn't doing on the NFL. He just sits in a room. He's he's too weird to be weird. He's come out the other side of weird. Right, right. I could see that. I mean, his wife had the burner account for awhile and what's going to bat for him like random shit like that. It is a stunning spins on though, that Robert Cadel could be involved in this. It's I mean, this is why Barthel exists. This is why we have this job. This is why I live like this is what I live for this story is ridiculous all desk. Wrinkle yeahs Robert Kraft is getting dick jerked cheap. Asian masseuse we've times throughout the week where it kinda out on sex. If you will couldn't get a hard dick anymore. Are you fucking? Are you pop Viagra's to go to hand job harlot, dick? So well, Erica and. I was just talking and they were like I mean, what why the hand job like, well, they're good at it. What they're doing. Well, the right kind of job is awesome. And they're giving the right kind. I I will take a mediocre hand job. You'll take like dry. What about like a dry stand up vertical handy? Sure. I mean as opposed to not. Yes, for sure. But I'm just saying what those girls do. There. If we're talking like top verse normal blowjob top lot hand job every single dime. Well, the thing is you can get creative with two hands shit got two hands ten fingers hottest shit. All right. I don't have a dick. So I don't know. I can't really speak to the different bad projects is no happy endings. No like rubbed. This guy's gonna finger me or I mean, they're probably see points probably is seen that Lisa. And what? Goes interest. We all see that one said, Mike and Dave need wedding dates, isn't that the scene? There's a c. I'm not saying. It definitely exists, but they're not personal apps. There's not like a whole fuck and treasure map for them. I don't think. Now, I do think though. And I understand it's like the common man thing. He's going to get fifty nine dollar happy endings. But if you're a billionaire, and you know that this could potentially get out just go somewhere. It's not going go. It's like when Justin Bieber got the brothel sting, or whatever it was when he was overseas. It's like why didn't you just go somewhere where no one was ever gonna out? It's so easy to say those things now, but to be honest Bob Kraft by thought he was doing that. Strip center in bucking Jupiter, Florida, and he's fifty nine dollars that you expect Bob Kraft to be there. No like, he might be slumming might be like, all right? I'm gonna put on my fucking trench coat. Put up my hood and go to the street. Well, I I don't know where I wanna know separate occasions, and it's on camera. Something is on camera. Then I guess you can't you can't hide from that. I just can't believe this is even think like the totally be legal. I've been set for for a while now consensual sex acts were especially the oldest thing in the world to get paid for it one way or the other. I mean, if you want to have consensual sex with and it's and it's like, I think it's a good place to stop. You know, I think there can be like real problems with regular full blown prostitution's STD's and shit gets too dark into deep. Just like this is a massage. Rub. Your legs or be shoulder nickel. Sense thing. L right. I'm just getting another body roped. You rub. The not out erode my shoulder until the knots are out of my fucking naval rubbed. I hate it every second. Oh, yeah. Fights went on fights, autumn Assad, and they and he was and a Bill worst one ever. They rubbed his finger nails. Jerking off my fingers and fucking. They rub. Your belly? Like dipped his I I was like I'm like, yo, bro. These are the best. They're going to are the show myself feel good. I just didn't do it. Yeah. That's that's part of the problem. I would imagine. I don't think I've ever even had a massage. It'd be like would you like your stomach rub ever? Nobody's ever asked me that don't even go near it. I don't even turn over. Well, that's that's actually the girls. Making. We're back here on C C K whites and Kevin had to step out for a second because they had to do something with KFC Radio Big interview. And normally when this happens go, you know, who do you want in the studio, I bring up chicks and the office sometimes just grabbing whoever's relevant, and I don't think that there's somebody more relevant today than Mr. mardi mush. And I told Kevin I was like I don't want anyone else in the studio. I want it to be me one on one with the guy with the bird with the jersey on with the dating stories, and that's we're making it happen, mardi electric. I'm ready to go. I mean, I don't even know where to start with you because you know, obviously the North Carolina game tonight. That's you're wearing a Duke jersey. You're gambling guy. You also had an incredibly viral video with your bird, which by the way. I don't know if I've ever ask you why the fuck do you have a bird? So I got stuck with a bird when I was like a kid. I was like seven years old. Parents didn't. Dog. So he's got a fucking bird time. I thought it was cool because it could talk and it was talking shit ton last night too. And this thing sucks, by the way as a pet, it sucks. But as for a gambler, it's been it's been helping me. I mean, the first time I saw the bird in person was during the Red Sox Yankees series. And you walked in the building having no idea that it was ten zero. Let's just squawking was so scared. So funny, and at that moment, I realized this this guy's a bird guy. So how old are you twenty four? So how long do these things live outlive me? And you like we're going with this my parents, Lou floors. So there's left the bird at home, and we'll be old, and we'll be old in this guy, just chilling. But now you're attached to him, right? I have always around these fucking squawk and all the time. Dizzy stink. No, it doesn't stink. He's. It's a real piece of shit. He's an ale bird to like he sits in you, leave the light on your walks and shit. Oh my God. Okay. So when you have girls over what does he do it's tough when girls over it's tough. I leave them leave him like so no see because they see. It's like what the fuck is. And it has my voice to which is absurd. That's the best part of it is because you say things sometimes like that one language. You have a bird. I would think that if a girl heard that another room, and you hadn't explained it. It would be weirder. Yeah. I would say so. Yeah. You could just make. Hey, listen, my parent's stuck me with this bird. It sounds like me. But here we are instead of just letting it maybe squawk from the other room. I that's that's an advisory. Maybe you just kinda like get out in front of the narrative that's doing should I be fun or dislike hopefully, it doesn't squawk because it's like you done. They're thinking the whole time. This guy's got a bird. What am I doing here? Sure. So tough Scituate is tough. I guess because you don't have it like you don't have in your bedroom. Right. No. Okay. The laundry room. Like, no. You can't see if you walk in my house. Okay. I guess you roll the dice, and you just hope. Cup for a second for central. I think that's what you have to do. Okay. So last night first of all the video of of him flying. I've watched I mean, I tweeted this morning, no less than ten times. It's up to about twenty or twenty five. It is so funny because your reaction is so genuine, did you really not think he could fly so less? Let me set the scene lease when you watch porn, sometimes you're into sometimes you're not as high mold. So this story on. So we've been trying something new out on twits Smith he's been doing. So well on we want to watch me gamble, and they're like how many times what do you do during the week? I was like I sit there and gamble. That's all I do. And I have my birds. So last night, I had my bird first of all. Discussing dinner. My mother's not home. I live in squalor live in squalor completely. I had a hot pocket. I had fun dip crazy Schiff at than it. So I'm sitting there. First of all the bird knocks over everything just knocks over my water knocks over everything then I'm just like talking to twits answering people and all of a sudden it just takes off. And I haven't seen it fly. Since the first day, I got it. 'cause usually clip its wings. I haven't been to the pet store and a while. So I saw a fly and I was genuinely like holy shit. And you just fuck in flew right into the bathroom door. And I'm not gonna lie. I thought it was done taught. Those pita is gonna come after me and take the bird away my mother's with fucks going on yet. It's heads are falling off. It's fine to continue your your watch the watts video back, and that thump was allowed us fossil laugh. I mean, there was no question. What happened? It was on. Unbelievable. But yeah, the people are loving people are loving the fucking birded me just talking going back and forth. At just the fact that you were surprised that a bird flu. And I understand I guess if you don't see him fly a lot. But the he he did what they do what the here to do. But he's okay. Yeah. He's good. He he he passed a concussion protocol. Doc all night didn't want upset them in my twenty four years. I've never seen him sleepy this. So I have no idea if you went to sleep, so hopefully, hopefully, I wish that I could make fun of you for not knowing birds. I have no idea. Bert sleeping is not like s people are new bird world. So like, this is catching it. So by surprise, it's fucking going wild. And no point your curiosity is piqued like I wanna see if this bird sleeps every night or always do. But every time I opened the door. It's up does. He can he answer questions. No. Dumb like myself like he's says Hello. He does the whistling thing girls. Like, the I can't do. I can't wait Salita kid. I mean, so the fact that he learned that. And you can't do it might be a smart bird. Exactly. I won't just leave them like in the room like with a recording of like my voice to saying like cover the spread or something like that to get them going. But I lost a lot of work to do with this. I mean. Yeah. But the good news is it sounds like you have eternity everything with them. So that's good. So as far as gambling goes. I mean, how valuable is he to your gambling life used to be a rally bird for me? And I think he's he's getting used to the fame though. He sees the camera. He's doing crazy shit, and my rally Burt is I've on the stream and went oh and three last night. And this streams also helped me with like people that think like I just yelling at my TV find these bad beats all the time to which is good. And they still think I'm faking all this. But you know, it's whatever regardless this bird needs to get back on track and get my winning going to head showing off. I mean now I'm convinced that he took flight Chris. Upstate you. Exactly. Knocked your water over just step stage. You want an asshole? I know he isn't Astle. That's why also I hold on him up schedule. This of it. But my hands near break. My skin said, you don't ever like hold him folk that you know. You know, like Sharpe's beakers, I see here to know fuck when I have a pet bird in my vicinity ever gets. I'm kind of on the thing if a guy's got a pet bird. Something might be weird. However, though, I will tell you what I know you have a dating question for me before we actually used to the basketball game. If somebody told me, I thought you went out and purchased a bird. So have you told me why you have the bird you could actually kinda use us as spin zone of like how caring person you're like? Oh my God. Listen, my parents got me this bird, they abandoned it. No one was going to take care of this bird. And I have the heart to make sure it has good life. Wow. Those spins on that is you're welcome. Oh, that's because it is true. Like they fucking left. They're gone. Actually, my mother's coming home tonight. I gotta clean the how my house is. Like, I said I live in squalid. She's not here. I just remembered she's flying house Marty it's pretty bad. I had a so this is where on Saturday night. I had hotel kale was open. So a lot of people over. I gotta get into my story. I it's a while. Let's go. I mean, I have no idea how long Kevin and fighting on. But I'm going to be on us. We have so much talk. But I'm must tell them not to come back. So you the first thing you said to me when I walked out during the halftime break was I have a dating story for you. Or I have to ask me some advice. And I'm going to be honest, mardi a lot of people in this building say that to me, and I'm like, all right, whatever you say, it's me, and I could not be more intrigue skid. It's a it's a wildlife. It just happens to me. So so again, we're going back to the storyline thing. If you if you were porn hub right now. I'm totally. So it starts on Friday. We went out we went out a couple of people here to the gym. And it was just guy a little drunk Chilin. Some reason idea I'm this girl. You know, the obviously good radio, but you know, the emoji where you go like this hands are out the girl. Yes. Okay. It's a girl is it. Well, I used the girl. Oh. Shrug stress wrote. There is there's a girl and a guy. That would be well, we'll was this on Instagram or Twitter, Instagram. Okay. There are different. There's different etiquette. I feel like on damn sliding home to roost. I well, that's not a good DM slide, regardless. That's all you say you've never taught before ever talked to her she lights picture. So let's and I was drunk. So I was let's see what happens. So like three hours later, she didn't answer. And I I was like my bad. Didn't mean that God not good to bad start. I'd end she'd seen it. She didn't see. So why did you why? I panicked. I panicked. So then I was like, but she answered in the morning. So it's all good don't worry about it. So I was I said then we've got two little bullshit. What's up how you doing? So then we move into Saturday night. We go out my friends to the bars. And first of all I got. Into little scuffle. The ball wasn't me. And it was this kid put this aside. I got tackled for no reason. Yeah. For really, though reason. But if I hard to believe, you just got tackled completely unsolicited taking a picture of the story. I took a picture, and I moved back a hit into a kid and the kid goes, I this is my friend these on a Cleveland Indians, blah, blah blah's. Like, I mean that doesn't mean shows like it's also spring training should be that. And I my point very valid. I swear I turn my head. Just tackled me form tackled. You're right in the so this line side of deal. So I look at my phone like five minutes after the girl idea and said, hey, I was just right next to get tackled. Like what you just didn't saving to me when I was right there. You could maybe. Yeah. Exactly faces is bad radio. But my face just weird feezing. So she's like I'm at this other bar now. Come see my said, I mean, all right. I guess so how hot is she she's pretty hot. Okay. Yeah. So that's why I was like all right? I'm going you gotta do. So she she's I find her at the bar. She's with another guy. Okay. Wait a minute. What's it's crazy? Is this guy said key? My feet are kicked up. I'm into this storyline. Let's keep it going. She gets to the bar the bars. She's with another guy. So I kind of like sitting there by what the fuck yourself to my friends on the way to out to borrow with them. I'm sitting there, and she kind of sees me. She does a double take. And she goes like one second. Okay. She left a guy came over to me. She's like hurry up. He's gonna come over here. I'm introduced to introduce you as my second. Cousin? I go what the fuck does. That mean? I mean, you literally cannot make this up. Talking about. So then so she comes up. So the guy comes up now. And she's okay. So and so this is my second cousin Matt shoes, Matt too. So I was like, I know my name's Matt. That's good. And then she's talking like, yes my second. Cousin my mother, she like went into deep story like she had this planned. I guess so then she's like out of nowhere. She's like, yeah. My mom. Just texted me, take my cousin home. I go. What's going? You. Just take me home. Now left the guy and brought her back like came to my house after ten you guys hooked up. Yeah. I hooked up and then in the morning, she's like kind of she called her friend at nine o'clock morning. I went six so what are you doing? I was going to call an over at night, but I'm band. So I didn't have any out. So you this girl to leave? Mostly over, but I'm band. So I didn't like couldn't be like, hey, call yourself number. So I mean, first of all the you've gotta get lift you've gotta get Juno. You've gotta get something else. Because if you want her out. This. Oh marty. That's so fucking funny. So then nine o'clock in the morning. She's first of all she called a friend on speakerphone, which is like what are you doing fucking sleep in here nine AM? So in her own words, she pretty much said like telling a friend that she went on a date with that guy. She's with like three times a barely would hookup. She would never kiss him. And all sons, she's pretty much like, yeah. And I fucked mardi much last night. I was like what what are you doing? You just told us I I'm right here. And she said, yes and pretty much just mardi most last I interesting, and you hear the person on the phone like what I was. So like bugged out I had to leave my room, I left, and I just left her in there. I didn't know what to do you go downstairs, and they verd-. My brother was home. I was like I'm going to. I'm hanging out any of this guy. The fuck outta how long did she say up there like thirty minutes? It's by yourself on the phone. Phone. Okay. What happened when she came downstairs shoes? Like just pretty much probably get outta here suicide. Yeah. Probably to get out of here. Yeah. You should've let six AM like extra my number half them. It'd be a nice person to give my number and she just keeps Texan now. How do you answered her, of course? And now, I'm so interesting because here's the thing is like the hot crazy scale. I mean, it's gotta be off the charts. Because I don't get the second cousin thing though. See that to me. Well, she was just desperate to not tell him the truth because. Yeah. Because like they've been seeing each other. Yes. So I guess I mean, you can't hate how ally window. I think you have to respect it. Instead of just being like like the fact that she was standing next to you at the bar in the first place didn't say anything crazy enough. It's like, okay. So what are we in junior high like you're gonna have to text me? But then to bring you to have you come to a bar where she's got the guy she's hooking up with their and to make up that story. I mean, that's got to intriguing respected the shit. All I can see is the girl from wedding crashers fine. You girl like the crazy is hot one hundred percent. And just like when she said, I gotta take my cousin home. I was like, oh, okay. I'll be your cousin. I'll be your guide. As long as I actually hair. So when I was at any point when she was up, and you're like, I never wanna see this girl. Again, when shoes on speakerphone, I was like exhaust like this girl like never again. But now, I'm like, you know, what that was a good story rate in like I live for good stories. Like this time you've told the story on air. Yes, saturday. Yeah. Is it Wednesday? And we've not nobody's talked about this. I mean, Kevin and fights are going to try to kill themselves. They weren't a part of the story to see. I mean this tomorrow with the cousins, I wanna tell them so bad because the cousins. The cousins are just going to have a lot of things to say I do. So you're gonna hang out again. I think have to the story has to continue is she a big barstool fan. Obviously, you are like she's really not like she sees. I asked her about it like when we were talking and she said like she knows Instagram, and she knows this like sees my Instagram saying mardi mush, and she sees my bird video on the Instagram. So she knows a little bit about it. So when this is always like, the tell for me is if you go to a girl or a guy, but mostly I would assume for you guys with the girls go look at who. All she follows. Have you done that just David me? Okay. Yeah. And Dave's us like Dave millions of okay? Let's good. Because normally if you go, and it's like every single person, and you're like, no, no you can't because they could this. You don't need that in your life. Owning the smoke in your life. And for me, if I guy slide in my dams, and they fall like everybody here. I'm like, no, no, no. Do it easily. Just put anything out. So do you. What's your question for me? My question. I don't know what the question is. It's just like it's how crazy is. She has to be insane. I can't immoral smart. All it could all just be a massive con in for that. Right. It sounds like you're goring floors. I will say the move of calling your friend on speakerphone three hours after you guys have fallen asleep to say that you fucked somebody is wild like saying how you were like she went out on Valentine's Day with that guy. And that was what last Thursday's later and she called you her second cousin. So we've got to bring them home. I I mean, I have to respect this girl. You have to like the craziest so crazy, but at the same I mean, she might murder you guys might get married. I don't know. I don't know which one it is yet. You know, like, I think the guy kind of knew it was a dark bar. I think. A guy kind knew who I was to like from barsky. You're no, the is that you get sometimes it's like looking at you. And they look down to like trying to figure out where they know you from. I think he was starting to realize it was so I just kind of left, and that's when she said like, yeah, I take my cousin home. How many words did you say to this guy him not who? Okay. Because I was gonna say if you started Todd. If he's impartial person. Because like when they finally piece it, and then you start talking like you're there. He's like this is not your second. This is like Marshall. I know exactly what's going on. Or maybe he's just like whatever like, I'm gonna lose this battle. And that's just what it is. And then she was like pretty much told her problems with that guy and like ex boyfriend after two after you hooked up. I didn't care 'cause like a new aglet never go out the fuck. But it was like, why do you? Why do I need to hear about any of this? You don't I set a tour? I don't really don't care to be awesome. Sorry. You said that. It's not good. I so happy that this is happening right now because this is gonna give me an ongoing saga. I'm gonna need you to come on this radio show. And update me because I do feel like I'm saying the Vince Vaughn saga in wedding crashers is what I'm feeling right now. It's like you went along with these lies just to hook up there. Now you did. And it's like I'm kind of into it. Due to go like I have to slice. She techs. I've been doing the thing. I text like an hour. Maybe four hours later, I'm a bad texture. That's also one thing. I have a lot of text messages. I forget to get too. That's why bad texture your bad. Texter difference in being just bad at it. And then just being like bad for certain people aboard bad best friend like not texting. That's good enough. If I don't answer me. I should really forget. And I'm just like always gambling never looking at my phone a lot. But which isn't good for our job. But. You gambling is your job through so true that way. But yeah. So I think she hasn't got mad at that. She hasn't really like she axe. What we should do it again sometime. And I was like I mean, you got any second cousins more second cousins Tores, we're going guy should do you should start going out and like doing like the different role playing scenarios like movies, like where they what movie I think it's like Reese, whether it's been in Vince Vaughn, actually, I think I don't know like four Christmases, maybe they like go out and pretend to give people guy. Guy should do go out. And like, she introduces you as all different types of people all over Manhattan every bar to do something different. Yeah. And then you can come on this show and talk about it. That's why I now I'm going to have to I'm gonna texture again. Like, I said, what are you doing this weekend? What if she listens to the radio, even better, even she says, she's in on it? Crazy. I need that tie. It all together. What you should do is. Now, tell her about the bird like out crazy her a little bit. You should tell her. She doesn't know anything about actually probably sees Instagram and all that. But like she doesn't she didn't see the bird there. So it's like introducing people to your kids like you should introduce her to the bird, and then just see like how she reacts. And if she's like super she might be your wife. It's like you need to know. One thing about me. I have a bird I have a bird. And if she's like, that's really cool. Can can you talk to me all these things? I mean, you really around the first thing that you should marry to and then you can stand up at the wedding until this story who knew that being somebody second cousin would land me here at this altar today explaining to your friend that nine o'clock in the morning saying that's all that. I don't understand that part could've waited. So you got home. Yeah. Don't even want to like literally just laying in my bed saying to like, maybe she thought that you would think it was like she was so proud of it that you'd be like, oh, damn like her friends or like by me, that's bad move. Don't get me wrong. Maimi. That's what I can't. I'm like not like I would never even thought of those this girl's this wild. Can't. I just can't understand the thought process of that dooms in the whole thing. Yeah. Your heads in a whirlwind though. And I was less than twenty idea to Friday nights all less than twenty four hours. So she moves fast. I didn't think about that. Actually. Until right now, and you just center a random emoji. Just two thousand nineteen is crazy my bed. And Jen even seen it yet. I Marty you might you might be onto something. I don't I don't think that you should should go sus, girl or ban this guy. I think that this girl might be your wife. This is Marty MRs mardi like I think that it's like it's gonna happen. It's gonna happen quickly. Because she's in it to win it at this point. Like, I feel like there's just nothing that this girl's ever going to do that won't surprise you. That's the first time meeting magin the second third. It's just going to have to go even crazier down a whole. Are you going to take around like a date date? Do it. Dates for me is just it's so much work. I mean, yeah, I don't need at all. No, I refuse. You might not need a girlfriend, you might just need. This girl is your white. I feel bad when I hang out like hang out girls. Say come over my house. We'll just water or something. What some girls like? Oh, yeah. It's a wear sweatpants come out. But yeah, I don't really go out in public. And then I got to go out and spend crap I'll spend out by you some fucking seamless some shits. We watched little basketball. That is key for you though, because I've had this conversation with other guys in the office as well. It's like somebody who gambles as much as you do and watches as much sporting events as you do basketball of that you gotta have a girl that's into it. You have to. One of sent. That's a big thing for me regardless because you need to watch this game. And I need to really like I'm going to my life is depending on exactly and not just like pretend to care not just make. I love watching sports like actually being like okay to. I'm sure I don't need to announce a fucking game just be seem interested into or and especially with the gambling stuff. It's like, oh like what's the line on this? And you try to explain it. I don't get it. If you have that have that. Because like say tonight, you're watching North Carolina. And you've got a girl who's asking a million questions all time while your whole life is on the line can't be dated another good movie. I've been using to get them over not get them. All that stuff. Don't don't authorities that way too. I don't even say that's bad words going to hang out. Like, I was like. Oh, yeah. L in this house. I have my own house on house and Ronkonkoma Long Island because I live by myself, and like an actual house because my child and how you too good for you. I said, yeah. Do pretty good. And Meanwhile, I have literally no money because Campbell all the way. What you need to do is play with the gambling. They don't know how much money or lose. Just be like. Yeah. Listen, babe gambling guy. Like, you know, how much money I make. House gonna fucking bird. That's how good at gambling. I am three bedroom houses bolted myself. I mean for prove me wrong. That's the thing. It's like how how are they gonna prove you wrong unless your mother shows up, and then that's tough. Gotta make sure you know, for sure when she's coming tone this girl at I like, I own the house, and she went to the bathroom, and there was like a shower cap in there. Who's this? I got no answers for you. I have no idea. I can't say my mom's definitely can't say your mom's. Yes. So go with ex girlfriend ex girlfriend like we don't speak at all anymore because then it's like if you play down the middle like, it's just girls. And it's like well who else are you sleeping with would have been like, oh, what's who's she'd probably be like site ac- him sleeping with our competition. Like, oh, yeah. Well, I'm gonna wind up this that Marty your dating life is every every time it's never as a normal night. It's always a crazy story with you know, who would be interested in this is the call her daddy girls. Because actually I we were talking yesterday. And they didn't know that there's like a barstool like groupie section out there. They had no idea. I was like. Yeah. Absolutely. Like, I I'm a girl, and yeah, you gotta be careful, and I was explaining to them like if you can tell the girls that are probably in that unless they're actual Barsha fans or their friends everybody there following everybody. And just sliding and everybody's. M's and they were like this happens. Everybody was again, mardi mush came on the radio show at this one time, and they're like Martin Bush getting barstool groupies. I was like, yes. Like, they fly out of the woodworks. Friel Instagram's where it's at though Twitter like I feel like no one cares about Twitter, followers, or like, Twitter Instagram. I'm all in on scrim the dating world like stories. That's the easiest. Yeah. That's my wheel on an average day night. How many stories your pie to mow up? Okay. I'm very slim. Okay. You'll start like people could be screened shot, and you stuff putting out there. Now, you gotta make sure like it's a good shot. Shoot a good. Yeah. I mean, you can't be shooting just absolute shit. How many responses do you give two girls? Like how many times when girls DM you? Do you respond to that? No. I don't I actually got to today. I didn't. That's right. 'cause I'm scared. 'cause they're obviously like they obviously are disbar so people God there's no way like a while. I source guys bird video. He's hot. There's no chance. Sure Marty you could it could buy watch this crazy, no girls look at this fucking. This guy's hot what his birth. So that's why I need to be doing the DM. Okay. Yeah. That's fair less. She's just like just out of the world. And you're just like I can't let this one go. What's happened on Twitter, which is that's the bird girl. I do think that Twitter has a different etiquette than Instagram. I feel like Instagram you can kind of cast a wider net on Twitter. I mean, my dams aren't open on Twitter. I guess yours. Are she the damning thing happened? But I feel like it has to be way more selective. And so if somebody gets your attention via Twitter GM, they got your attention. Yes. And then you become their second. Cousin? I mean, one girl one viral with the tweet saying to like I can't believe there's girls out there who have willingly have sex with guys with pet birds. So I sent like my. Yeah. So then I said I was getting tagged in shit. And then I sent my bird picture in the chat, and she soared DMV and she's a smoke. Okay. Well, we're gonna take a break. And you're going to hang out. The boys are still doing. I have. So many more questions for you. We also do need to talk about the game tonight and the Williams. So I mean, we have so much to talk about. Okay. So Marty Casey solo hour here on C C K. You guys can call us up to eight three three five seven. Any questions you have for me mardi mushy Hennessy eight five eight three three eight five. I'm I can't even read right now. So I'm just so thrown off by mardi mushrooming. We're back here on C C K. And during the commercial break, something I realized about you Maris, I knew I always liked you. I always liked you. I love you. Now. This is great. This is what? No. I mean, we we are going to be best friends for life because you are straight out of a Hollywood movie. You sound crazy. You are crazy. And I have been on record saying that you you you play up your character. But it is you I don't think that it's a fake act at all. But you know, what you're doing? And now, I'm realizing that the content of your dating life is an underrated storyline. Like, the fact that you take your the gambling guy. You're the bird guy. You're like people say, you're the dumb. No, you're you're the dating. Something every weekend. It's something new, and you just showed me a picture of the bird girl. Yes. He is a smoke. And listen people that listen to this radio show or like follow my bonded are. No, I can appreciate a hot woman. That is a hot woman. I don't know how why she likes me. But she's great to like a normal very normal. Sees fucking fantastic. I mean, mardi like dating mardi mush life has to be out. There. More has to be just tweets we hit it off. She's like why do you have the Birtles like fly need winners? It just went off. She's from California helluva, girl. So we've been on air for thirty four minutes. And at the beginning. I was like how maybe don't tell girls about the bird. Now. I'm totally changed my mind one eighty you use the story about how you're like a hero. You save this bird's life. And now you're a gambling God. Because of this bird you own your own house. I mean, you've really got a whole fake life going in part of it's real like, that's the thing is like. You really did save the birds life actually what you're saying. Like a lot of people pretty much like compared to like a cartoon show. Like, my life is a cartoon show. You are a cartoon like living by myself and just so much weird shit happening and bird. Bob, dating this girl, who are whatever she is your now her second cousin an embargo, and then bird girl, you told a story on K one time about like spitting all over girl by accident, or oh, well, it's Notting. It wasn't like a kinky. It was like literally you were just gross. I I mean, you're you are a cartoon. It's crazy life. I live. It's a wonderful life. It's the most like, I that's the life. I didn't know that I needed. But now, I can never live with them can never live without at eight three three eight five stool, if you want to call and talk to people are loving loving you. We've got people tweeting. I didn't even want to get out of the car. Which is why I'm sad that it's Wednesday in the story is just getting out like this is just imagine hearing this voice on radio to end with the story. It's just unbelievable. And the fact that we did thirty minutes of radio and there's a massive basketball game tonight. And then you have been taught will care about tonight. I mean, you are wearing a jersey though. So when you are wearing jersey, I feel like you extra care about a game. Yes. So I woke up the sporting I did care about the game. But then I looked at the spread Ducas minus nine tonight against the number eight team in the nation UNC where the best. Rivaly in sports, a lot of people say people camp out you wrote a blog on about the Super Bowl, which is crazy crazy and people who are responding to me saying that the games are the tickets are always high rivalry. There is wrong. I mean, there's definitely always higher prices because obviously Cameron door so small and everything this is unprecedented. No one hundred sites like even they play Georgia Tech. It's pretty high. But this is a little outrageous. But it's on it's as I affect how good they are. I mean being minus nine against UNC their rival number eight in the country that said, they're dead. They're literally that they suck them so much that Luke maye stupid Bassett assed. You guys. See, this guy's eyebrows. They piss me. They he sucks. I think duke's wipe the floor with them tonight. So you're just writing Duke, no question. So what are you gonna take tonight? You're gonna take money line. Take the spread almost just take my money lines, minus four hundred fifty so like, my bet will be just too much money on. Them. So it'd be minus nine the over. I'm gonna take the over probably dukes defense spotty. But yeah, it's going to be. It's always a cool like atmosphere with this to the fact that people fucking tents for shit as wild. It's wild kits. That's what I'm saying. I mean, my I wrote the bloggers, and of course, the people who are chirping me on Twitter didn't actually read the blog that I all the ticket prices. Don't go to the NC double A and don't go. So I'm like, well, no shit. It's we didn't. Thank you. I'm aware. The bigger thing is the fact that this money is coming in to college athletics and always has her certain degree. But now you've got people on like different third party app. Saying that Zion has the same effect on ticket prices as LeBron James if that's actually true, I put in my blog, as if it was fact, I think this affect I mean, that's crazy. 'cause no one's ever seen this guy. Like, no one's ever seen a men jump like this ever and like not in just jump like he's good at basketball. That's a crazy. Spark could shoot he. He's like his blocks or insane. Sane. In the fat in I didn't know that stat wild. Yeah. There was a guy. And I to be honest. I don't remember what the ticket site was but ESPN interviewed him about it. And they said that the last time they've seen an impact like this is when LeBron went to the Lakers and ticket sales went up like one hundred twenty five percent because of it. And now that this rivalry game. The reason it's so high on top of the fact that everybody always wants to go to this game is to seize I on play. He's an amateur athlete, but people, oh, he got his scholarship. It's fine. It's like fucking kidding. Come on. Thank god. He got that semester. Thank God, you thought he was saying for fucking for you. And going college basketball is so much fun too. Because you see these like one year guys. I mean, he could be in the league right now. Oh, slashing illegal tenth grade. There's a story that came out and said he didn't know he was big like he was like one like what I say six four one seventy five or something. And he was like, I'm small. What are we talking about? He's probably nine one. But the fact that the funny thing is like you have am. But you also have he was number two. Like he was ranked number two coming into like, we have RJ Barrett. Twos. Number one who everyone's excited see to. Yeah. And then you have like number three Cam reddish. And then you have trae Jones fucking good to the right now. It's for the NBA draft. It's supposed to go Zion one RJ Barrett to and cameras for that doesn't make any sense. It does not make any sense. But it makes it way more fun because you're a Duke fan, and you're like you can actually say we have by far the best people where it's like Kentucky. Sometimes it's like Kentucky like they got these guys and they get the guys in the league. But it's like there's I don't ever feel like there's year where it's like Kentucky is year after you're just by far the best team flick. It seen yet though is like those obviously good, but do cO seems to just come together. Like, they look good together. These guys are friends. There's no chance to tonight's can be a bloodbath. I can't wait a blood. Bat. I'm gonna go live my bird again tonight. It's a big game. I the people need it. The people need do need it said nine pm game. So it's gonna be one of those. It's like it's going to be excitingly. And if the bird takes flight again, I really think it's going to become his stick. Beloved, the people. He's gonna know like he's Kevin Kevin what's up? This has been by far. The most entertaining. I was gonna say I think just conversation. Telling you Kevin invites back. We did not start talking about the Duke UNC basketball game until three minutes ago with. Said that I say, by the way, I she was like, well what happens if the interview runs I was like motions gonna be fine. Love him. I mean, it it's incredible. I feel like we can't even rehash the whole story because it's so crazy. Let me tell you something. Marnie mush is the gambling guy. He's a bird guy some say he might be the dumb guy. I'm saying he's the dating. Okay. He has got some stories. Well, the one what was the woman the girl was blowing. You would you say. First of all, you blew snot all over her girl, girl. What do you think of the neck beard or? Because I don't know what the girls think about need. So I asked to wrong time wasn't the best. But. Yes. Like, I I've now decided graded. It's your radio show, Kevin. But I made the executive decision we're having Marta dating segment every single. What was like your biggest word of advice? Advice? It was just a crazy fucking story on this past weekend. I feel like you're the dating picked up significantly for you and six months a trip cliff notes of this is he slid into a girls DM's, then she was at a bar with him. But didn't tell her tell him had him come meet her. She was with another dude. Pretended marty? What's her second? Cousin? So she could go home with them goes home with them bucks him wakes up three hours later calls or girlfriend on speakerphone tells her that she fucked mardi mush, and then wouldn't leave his room. And now he's like I'm into it. I gotta be. It was like you're never going to believe. What is the girlfriend say? Oh, yes, she she isn't he right there. I'm like, yes. Some fucking right. What if she was like gross? Why'd do that south though, really the best. The best information that came out of that was a he tried to send her home at six AM because he didn't want her spend the night. But his Uber was locked. There's not many like lifts in Long Island. It's just like Berkeley Yuba. So it's also had six AM. Now, he didn't want her to say you don't want to sleep at six AM. He's already they're already slept there. They had. She was loud, very loud. You get out of my brother was my brother was even yelling from the other rooms. I get the fuck out. Can you imagine this back of the house? So imagine you how you fuck mardi nationally three beds because he's the gambling. I'm marty. Cap too. So they don't know. You your girl you go home? You fuck mardi mush in that house with a bird and his brother yelling at you. Oh, she doesn't know about the bird yet. But she doesn't she probably saw it. Now, I feel like people know about the bird that she needs to enter deuce her to the bird. And if she's like, oh, this is cool that he might sheet at the barrier. She might be what needs to get into nuts. She's she's a well. I hope that listen to this because you would just beat him screaming about her getting the fuck out loud so told like to get out too. So he cut a new person. Also sexy. Yeah. She also apparently like told him all about her dating problems. And he looked at her in the face it. I don't. She told me the guy at the bar. She was with like they went out for Valentine's Day on SOS two days after I met the skirl idea. I all in less than twenty four hours. Okay. Very impressive put that that's a stat in. But yeah, I fuck in it was so so she told the guy that you were her cousin because she clearly wants to fuck that guy. Well, they've been going reason to leave out right? But I'm saying you would say any sort of other. If you say, it's a family member, it's trying to leave the door open with that guys hundred percents. She was. No, she that's the thing. She wasn't. She told me like they went out on three dates like bought a roses and shit. But he would only like kiss her one mardi mush. They didn't twenty four. Yeah, I'm Dogar and twenty four dollars. Phone lines are banged up for Bush right now. I mean, I get it. We got Robbie Connecticut Robbie what's up? Mardi more is the next big thing on barstool. He needs a show like that. He's just the big thing. It's happened currently happened. He needs a show called the mush ler out give Franken I don't know who's answering the phones credit for that. He needs to show to bring chicks in and this needs to be on all the time. I completely agree. Thanks for the call. I mean, I'm telling you guys like first of all this will definitely be on more fire the best Kate because it's like two electric not to. But I think that this is like the most underrated thing that Marty save. I mean, we were we were talking about doing like a bachelor type show with Hank along time ago. It's gotta be mardi throwing my hat. The that was we would much more possible now. Oh, yeah. We were shooting way out of. The house people will show up film, it we can edit and like all the time. It was like, well, the only guy does any. That'd be a hell of a show. We've got Brian in New York with some more Muslim, Brian. What's up mardi mush is lightning in a fucking star? I think you guys on day need to have like mush Mondays where this that. I mean when I when I first heard on the cousins, so I thought that you were dumber than a bag of hammers. But like this kid is sterile like this hits the sterile. Keep on keeping on beloved mush is not hang on. He's not an unintelligent person. Especially now, you see me making the gambling content. You're running with it. You know what you're doing? But you you have a genocide Kwa a little something about it. That's like, well, you're not an idiot. But you're certainly not definitely Scott. I'm not all there. That's a factor. Is this not allow things that though that thing is like when people have asked like is mardi mush really dumb. Like, no. He knows exactly what he's doing. Aware you me like history questions and shit. I don't know anything. Now like all. So let's not do that. I mean, you don't know anything that you don't know how to gamble. Oh, no. You don't know anything about birds? Vert, by the way, the. Prototype. The loudest bang. I've ever took off Toler. I thought it was dead. I thought it was holy shit pitas coming that, Bert. That's a lot to do content to Dale he put the bird through concussion protocol. I mean, the fucking green broomstick is fucking finding why the broomstick he's scared to hold him. Absolutely. But right before the bird fucking almost off that self like I was eating crates the water hot pockets, fun dip, ready to go. And then this is not all most you lucky. It's a bird because he's not gonna come around looking for a piece of this pie. But the birds electric yes, there was a human. He'd be like, wait. It's not the morning show. It's the that's why we decided we decided that trying to one up Marty much. He's like, oh, yeah. You're on this. I'm the fucking star. I had vets DO this morning. Like, hey, like, you need to clip his wings like you to like take care of this thing like relaxed gambling the fuck. Daddy win as you head. The what do you guys think about him? Introducing the bird two girls. Like, I think I think people who had pets for birds or fucking pet's complete lunatics. You're absolutely absolute. I don't think I could actually like I don't think leadoff. Hey, I have a bird. Definitely not. Here's the twist fellas. Is that the bird is? Mardi technically rescued it. Because his parents bought him the bird, and then they abandoned it. And so I said that the spins will be like, listen, my parents bought this burden and then just left it alone. It was going to die and I care for it. And then all of a sudden it becomes oh. He's sweet. To be honest that makes perfect sense. But it sounds like motions doing just fine. But he was asking what he should do about the bog and girls and twenty four hours. I don't think it matters. What he says about the bird member bird girl? What what happened back in April? She was fucking at rock. There was a point. What happened? Was. Time rocket. There was a period of time at probably at like, the lowest darkest in the divorce battle custody fight down and out everything for me, mantis, and moosh or exchanging like Instagram profiles of girls, they were fucking who were outer then they should be when I was like what is happening. We have created monsters barstool. Fuck the world is like imbalanced. Now, I was telling him that the caller daddy girls were like, oh, there's like a Barsha groupie thing. That's a real thing. I was like are you serious? Go upstairs and talk to we'll talk to them. But she refused to talk on the nose barstool. That's a smart play smart various play because they'll Bill out me a second. Yeah. I say some crazy shit. Goes brother, the the bird girl, though. So she reached out and she was like all about birds, but she had her own peppered or something. That's what she went viral for saying. I can't believe there's girls out there willingly right sex with guys opposite. But then you yes. Yeah. So it's like elbow hell of a girl when he showed me her pictures. I was like, oh, yeah. Not only that. But she proclaimed. I will not fuck anybody with birds and mush he he did the I really try try to have her take a picture of my bird. Yeah. I really wanted clout. Honestly that would be an all time tweet. I'm working. All time tweet if you had a screen shot of that girl saying on their guy with birds, and then you with the bird afterwards that little glow smile that like Jillian she should do it just for her for her. That would be incredible black Twitter ago raised. Hey, would they go that way fuck with the bird? Timely lease. We don't even have to have sex again just picture. They've already. Yoga pants, look like you've been lounging around. Yeah. Covers up bird in the bed or good. That would break the intimate. You're on you're on a bit of a hot streak, content wise, I'm assuming still a dead cold treat gambling wise on that's the thing on the stream last night when three that's, but that's busy stream for. Last night. I was like an hour and a half. I thought it was like three games worth. I'm not allowed to show the TV either just us just me and the bird. Yeah. The thing is to do the whole process of getting the bird to. Yeah, he squawks at me. And I'm in the fucking cage jumping up and down. So it's. It's quite assume. And the fact that when the bird talks, it sounds just like Marty my mother's coming home tonight too. So if she's in the mix yell at me on TV, it's going to be something else. Going to fuck around get sitcom. A Hollywood producer be like it's a guy lives on Long Island with his parents. He's got a bird generate. He's got a stupid accent light shit. I don't know if you guys are aware, but he's been on. He's he's been on hustle cards already. That that that's one of the all-time lookalikes. That's the card was that was awhile time. What the other show? Let's wait. Wait, wait, you you were on has a car. That's a look. He was no you were. That's hugh. I didn't know that. I thought it was adopted by his bodyguard. How why that's why I did a fake resume like of my acting resume that had a bunch of credits and shit. Did you tell us that? That's how I got it. Okay. I was gonna say that giving you the job for that most Kevin Spacey's career. Remembering. Bananas. And I was glad to great way to weeks later. He was delivering. Was your line? You said the most mysterious ways, it's something that most hits. As poor Kevin Spacey. What what did you say? You said that came from shit your pants. Yeah. Shit myself in my grade. I was a weirdo and ninth grade. The long hair like. Jackie Chan to some I used to fought in class. And I blast at one and I really shit. Like, I said, I thought you said fought and not the right word. Tough. So you really did. Shit bag shit in my underwear and pterodactyl walking away, and I left my on these in the in the bathroom and just full of shit, and my friend. He saw me come out of the bathroom after and then it goes to shit on the floor. He didn't try to throw it away or something. I didn't know where to put it put on the floor left it on the floor and at savvy, I know don't garbage can in the bathroom. You wanna pick that up bam in Jodi up? Yeah. Got it. Yeah. And then that's when he was like mush, and then then they start Marty. And then. Yeah. So so mush actually does not pertain to being a gambling Moshe pertains to shit in your pants at first. And then went down a rabbit hole of losing everything. And then like art imitates life man self-fulfilment prophecy that you were going to become a gambling loser. When you're already mush the most life is something. I mean, are you broke? Oh, yeah. Broke his I mean, they gotta start banker on you at some point in the content, but you're not gonna money. That's what me I have a conversation. Book y'all time like, hey, man. Like, I'll get it to you. Don't worry like rough rally, cheques, still come and. That's probably a big one that all going to him. Not all of it. Not all. I do sing where I lose a lot. And I'm like, don't worry. I got you next week. I try when it back. Yeah. That's called being again. Got breaking news role the gamblers out there booking. You'll win. It. Don't worry. I got this thing. I do. I don't get hung over. I just keep drinking. A good system. Sounded good. My husband. What are you mardi underscore Bush? Yeah. Mardi underscore Bush. Give them a follow watch him in the bird lectures of fucking electric factory. So is bird. He's got a couple of losers for you tonight. I'm sure he's the mush while. While you stay hot art. He's gonna stay cold.

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