20 Episode results for "Cairns"

NEXT WEEK ON BODEGA DOLLZ!

Allegedly NYC

00:48 sec | 8 months ago

NEXT WEEK ON BODEGA DOLLZ!

"The today we're talking about White, fragility? The counts of the world. Cairns of. The United. Because he grew up in the herding, he grew up around Brown's like people that he had the same. Opportunities he he wasn't. He didn't have a silver spoon and he just wasn't getting the fact that just the fact that you're white meal. A Brown. Puerto Rican woman. Provincial than exist is Europe bugging privileged like yeah, exactly. You dumped fight. Tune into the dolls Monday eight PM Eastern time at Bodega Dowse DOT COM, and don't forget to subscribe dolls on. Youtube spotify. I tunes soundcloud institure.

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Why Are Scientists Asking Hikers to Stop Stacking Rocks?

BrainStuff

05:44 min | 1 year ago

Why Are Scientists Asking Hikers to Stop Stacking Rocks?

"Today's episode is brought to you by H and r block. If you want your taxes handled by the pros but don't have time to get out to an office or if you like me find yourself immobilized by lap cats you can get expert tax. Prep without office. VISIT WITH H&R BLOCK TAX PRO GO. It's the easiest way to have an expert do your taxes for you just upload your Docs and an agent are block tax pro. Does the rest so that you can get back to your busy day or your cats go to. HR BLOCKED DOT com slash tax time today to learn more. It's better with block doc. Young rocker is a podcast. Coming of age story about finding a home in rock music and learning to flourish in your own weird way. It's also a series of letters of advice to my younger self as she navigates the pressures of adolescence. The lessons seals with social anxiety body issues relationships and discovers the transformative power of music. Theory and rocker comes from double. Elvis productions is created and hosted by Mitchelson Elson and executive produced by Jay. Brennan of disgraced land listened to dear young rocker on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcasts. took him to brainstorm a production of iheartradio. Pay Brain stuff lauren. Vocal bomb here. If you've been out on a hiking trail lately you've you've probably noticed them. Suddenly popping up everywhere. Small intentionally stacked piles of rocks. Called Cairns and environmentalists worldwide are increasingly increasingly alarmed because moving rocks can have numerous unintended consequences for insects animals. And even the land itself people have been in stacking rocks since the dawn of time typically four directional or burial purposes such structures have been found in Greenland Northern Canada and Alaska and were built by Anita People's for specific purposes like navigation to indicate a food source or to warn of danger. More recently park officials began creating them on hiking trails else especially potentially confusing pads to help ensure that hikers don't get lost in eighteen ninety six a man named Waldron Bates created a specific civic style of hiking Karen in Acadia National Park. The Bates Cairns as they became known consisted of a rectangular stone balanced top two legs and then topped opt with one stone pointing to the trail. These Cairns were replaced by standard ones in the nineteen fifties and sixties but the park began rebuilding the historic Bates Cairns in the nineteen ninety S. Acadia no contains a mixture of both. What's concerning scientists? Today is the new practice of creating rock piles as an art. Form form or for alluring social media posts because stacking rocks is not an innocuous practice many insects and mammals head under rocks to live reproduce reduce or just escape. They're predators so move a rock and you might destroy a home stack a few. And you may have just exposed the hunted to their hunters. And and while that may sound melodramatic whether you're stacking rocks in the woods on the beach or in the desert your actions could inadvertently knock out an entire colony. Or in the worst case scenario threaten and endangered species some rock stacking fans note that they're being responsible by returning their rocks to the spots where they found them after after creating and then disassembling artwork however the second move rocks you may compromise species habitat in an unrecoverable manner. In addition moving rocks in any fashion contributes to soil erosion as the dirt ones protectively packed under them is now loosened and more prone to washing or blowing away. Why should you come upon? Stacked rocks especially in national parks. Leave him alone. And if you're hiking don't automatically follow where they seemed point. The National Park Service recommends checking with Park officials before setting out on a hike as every park has different rules about kearns. You wouldn't want to remove those intentionally set as navigational AIDS nor would you want to follow those. That may have been randomly. If artistically assembled by visitors in the end let your actions be guided by the important principle principle. Leave no trace. Today's episode was written by Melanie. Red Zeki McManus and produced I. Tyler client grainstuff. Production of heart. Radios has to works for more in this month of other stack topics visit our home. PLANET HALF WORKS DOT Com. In for more podcasts. My heart radio. Although the iheartradio APP apple podcasts or wherever you listen to your favorite shows available now from Iheart a new series presented by t mobile for business us the restless ones join me. Jonathan Strickland as I explore the coming technological revolution with the restless business leaders who stand right on the cutting edge edge. They know there is a better way to get things done and they are ready. Curious excited for the next technological innovation to unlock their vision of the future church in each episode. We'll learn more from the restless ones themselves and dive deep into how the five G. Revolution could enable their teams to thrive. The restless ones is now available on the iheartradio APP. Or wherever you listen to podcasts. I everyone I'm Katie. couric here to let you know that my podcast next question with me. Katie couric is is back for. Its second season. I'll be diving into some big issues like this country's devastating maternal mortality rate. The rise of astrology and a a little thing called the presidential election listened to next question. It comes out every Thursday on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts. 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Roundabout Roundup: Karens Going Wild, Crown and Paw, and Schaefer Outfitter

Parenting Roundabout

09:26 min | 1 year ago

Roundabout Roundup: Karens Going Wild, Crown and Paw, and Schaefer Outfitter

"Around five of the parenting roundabout podcast for the week of the twenty fifth. Time to cool Eric's and I'm here with Catherine Calico Thin Terry Morrow pillow today. We're taking a break from talking and complaining obsessing and instead shouting out things other people are doing that. We think you'll find as useful enjoyable as we do. We call this our roundabout roundup so I have another instagram account for y'all's instagram in. This one has me laughing constantly on the daily several times a day because They don't just post once a day. They'll throw up a few every day. There's some content that a little bit offensive for the most part. It's funny and very accurate. So if you're not familiar with the term a keirin or you know. She's being a Karen or a Karen was at the grocery store complaining. Karen is a term for a middle aged. Woman has a certain type of look about her and complaints or reprimands or makes a fuss about something publicly and often without a lot of You know like it's not necessary but she's taking it over the top and so this account is called Cairns going wild and it's videos and photos of Cairns in the wild our real people real people who are losing it and There's generally a funny caption to go along with it. But yes it's very humorous and I mean you know some of the videos admit I would probably be that Karen as well. There's some instances like yeah that was warranted but for the most part. It's fun to watch. Yeah don't be a Karen dopey like or if you are Karen. Make sure nobody's exactly cameras. Someone's GonNa regard it. So how about you Catherine? What do you have this week so today as you are listening to this it is my husband's birthday and he is very difficult to buy it for as I believe I have complained on this podcast beautiful. You love because he whatever he wants he just buys you know He. He does not wait for any occasion and yet so I tend to buy him you know pretty frivolous or just things that he wouldn't think of to get himself So this year my kids I got him portrait's of our dogs wearing outfits so there's this website called Crown and Pau and there's other ones I think there's other ones as well But this is just the one I chose. And you upload photo of your dog or cat and I think even other pets and you choose from all these different costumes that law they're gonNA wear and we got them and day are hilarious. They are so good. Oh my gosh. Like I really didn't know what to expect what it look cheesy. I mean yes it looks cheesy but but it doesn't look cheaply made you know at looks. Looks good it's like Oh damn is Larry. So how long does it take It just took maybe two weeks like not not terribly long and we we got one and then like maybe a week later we got the second one so it at first. I was concerned but But came and you can get you know like we opted to do each dog on their own portrait but you have groups if you wanted to put them together. They have grew truth options. It's it's pretty good. I mean it's what have we come to? It's not super type but it's worth it for us especially because like I said. What else are we going to get him? Yeah Fun yes listeners. I urge you to go to follow the link in the show notes and go to this website. And Look at these even if you don't have an animal or a need for one of these right now because they're quite they're awesome. Yeah they're just beautiful and hilarious at the same time. I will also warn you that if you do go to this website you will almost immediately start getting these pictures in your facebook which maybe a bug or feature depending on your particular. Facebook needs but so cute. What a great find where did you? How did you find out? I cannot remember 'cause I like I said I know there's there's multiple companies that do this kind of thing. I know I had found in a magazine somewhere A different one. Where it's you send in a picture and they send you like a paint by number kit to make your own. I'm elise I believe that once called Grey Duck. I will put that in the notes ones as well so we might have talked about it and we decided to get the finished project but you there are also if you wanted it to be more interactive you could do. You could do at the other way too. That's awesome well. My pick for the week is much more prosaic. I have found myself recently in the need of a new pair of jeans. Have several pairs of that were handed down from my daughter that we're doing me just fine but they have developed holes in. Let's just say indiscreet areas that make me feel uncomfortable even with a long shirt going out in public in them. I don't mind me a hole in the cuff in the knee in the side seeing that's fine but Been doing a lot lately and stuff just wearing out. I guess so. I wanted to get a new pair of jeans and I also at this particular moment in History WanNa buy made in the USA products. If I possibly can you know something's it's impossible to find out where something is made but jeans their lists online of ones that are made on made in the USA and some of these genes that are made in the USA or quite pricey. I mean there were some that. Were like one hundred and fifty two hundred dollars in. It's like love my country that's too much to spend on jeans but I did find a place called Shaffer. Outfitter that is in. Texas and they make their genes there and they were. I got a pair of jeans there for sixty five bucks That's within the realm of okay for me and they are extremely thick Denham. They're very sturdy. I'm sure they will ask me a very very long time. So if you are in the market for jeans right now they have to styles for one. They have one. That's has a lot of other things besides cotton in them. And they're stretchy in you know more stylish looking and then they have the ones I got. Which are the ranch hand which are very rugged looking but they are comfortable the size. I thought might be a little too tight for me. Turned out to be quite roomy and they are way way too long for me as is always the way so I cut them off on the bottom. It pained me to cut the bottoms off of a nice sturdy. Sixty FIVE DOLLAR JEANS. But it's just cuffing to cover them up so much that it's like there's a ball and chain around my ankle so. I just do that but I'm very happy with so far. So if you are also looking for made in the USA stuff check them out They have more choices for men than women I think but also have cute Thompson other items and you know tools for ranching excellent. That's on here. I'm like wait. This is very -obably they don't make these genes for sitting at your computer in Colorado but you know what they feel comfy and they're made in Texas so they're gonNA be sturdy now they're comfortable and they look nice good. I'm very happy with them. And that's it for another week of parenting roundabout if you missed any of our earlier episodes this week. Look them up on spreaker apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcasts to hear that what we have to say about summer events summer jobs and pandemic parenting awards you can also find all our episodes at parenting roundabout dot Com and talk back on the comments there on our facebook page or on twitter. We will find us at roundabout chat. And please visit our Amazon shop at Amazon Dot com slash shop slash Mahmoud where you could find links to a lot of the things we talked about here in that you can get those genes. I bought on Amazon. Have a great weekend and see you back here on.

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[PODCAST] BYWG Best ofJulie Ann Cairns Abundance Code

Beyond Your Wildest Genes

50:07 min | 1 year ago

[PODCAST] BYWG Best ofJulie Ann Cairns Abundance Code

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Sit in the show tonight tunes posted on Social Media in a weekly newsletter and on our website at www dot beyond your wildest jeans dot Com at the listen now tab thanks thanks for listening everybody. Welcome back to beyond your wildest jeans podcasts. I'm your Co host today Dr Mike Ac and four and today I'm thrilled thrilled to have with me on the show. Julianne Cairns Julianne how are you. I'm great thanks for having me on the show we're thrilled. Julian's written a phenomenal. Oh Book and and as I said in our little preamble before we went live that she's written some stuff. Her book is the abundance. Code had a bus through the seven and money myths for a rich life. Now she's written this and there are things in here and you guys know. I love to read. But she's written some things that I've never ever heard of before and I had to get Juliet on show so she can share with you. So she's the author of the of the top selling book as I said the abundance code it's published by Hay House and that will be in the show notes folks and she's the Creator and director of the documentary the abundance code and the CEO of an online line Financial Market Education Company based in Sydney Australia called trading pursuits group. Julie has over twenty five years of experience in finance and entrepreneurship worship and has built a successful eight figure business. It's her life mission to help people access greater abundance by showing them how to bust through. They're limiting beliefs about money. Wealth and success Julie. Welcome to the show. Thanks it's great to be here. It is I'm thrilled. I can't I can't wait to dive in to to your story. And what what you've written in this great book so tell the first question we ask is tell people story tell people. Why are you got here all right so let me just? I have to go all the way back to my childhood for you to understand where the inspiration for the book came from so I grew up in Canada. I live in Australia now and both. My parents are actually Australian but my brother and sister and I were all raised in Canada data and my father was a very successful surgeon and my parents had also invested quite well in real estate so for the I eight nine years of my life. I head of very very prosperous upbringing so my parents were quite wealthy. They had a beautiful architect design. Lakefront Mansion They own their own airplanes collecting art. My brother went to a very private exclusive. Private boarding school will and when he was attending their prince. Andrew there at the same time. So you get some idea of you know. The level of wealth that was going on there was really nothing I could have wanted. You know. I had everything that I could want in life and then when I was about eight eight or nine my parents started to drink quite heavily. Maybe we'll talk a little bit later about why I think things came unstuck for them. But they started to drink quite heavily and SORTA spiral down into a bit of an alcoholic. Downward spiral viral. Life started to fall apart and when I was eleven they broke up. That was all quite traumatic dramatic traumatic and I ended up living with my mother who declared bankruptcy so somehow along the way all the money had been lost my I sister and my father moved back to Stralia. My brother was seeing out the year at boarding school so all of a sudden. I'm just me and my mom and on welfare and she's she's declared bankruptcy so I have to say it was like like getting the worst possible role in a game of snakes and ladders. It's just all of a sudden slid all the way down to the bottom of the socio-economic pile and it was a total. It'll shock for me. I that time was just very traumatic and I wasn't coping very well when I was sort of thirteen when I started smoking dope and cutting school and hanging around with the rough crowd binge drinking a bit I was kind going down the wrong path. I and I don't really know why but at some point at about the age of fifteen. I kind kind of shook myself and said Hey. Nobody's nobody's GonNa do this for you. You know you've experienced having wealth in you've experienced the polar opposite And I knew that I preferred being wealthy so at fifteen I sort of went okay. It's up to you now kid so I started to get very serious about studying and in the end I I moved to Austrailia when I was sixteen to live with. My father studied really hard at school. Got Into a good university did an honours degree in economics comics and finance. So my whole mission was I want to be wealthy so I'm going to study what I think you gonNa take the path that's laid out for me by society diety and by the education system to wealth which was study the stock market. I thought and So I did economics finance chance. I got a scholarship to go and study in Japan I studied the Japanese. Stockmarket did a master's of finance and Business Administration and then I went into merchant banking. So you know. That's that's kind of the standard path and it did kind of work for me. I also I started investing in real estate and So you know if you go back to the snakes and ladders analogy. It was climbing the ladder again and and But what I didn't realize that I came to realize later was that I had some limiting beliefs and and I ended up sabotaging my success. Even though I had made a lot of money through investing in real estate and at one point my partner earn I had thirty investment properties. So at that point we could have just down tools and been set up for the rest of our lives right But for some reason and I decided that wasn't enough and we were going to invest in takeaway Indian restaurants which I knew nothing about. I knew nothing thing about fast food and As a chain of five flower shops. Also I knew nothing about flower shops and I I chose these two businesses where everything is perishable If you don't sell the stock you know it's It's just gone it's it's ruined uh-huh and also fairly a cash based businesses so you have to have very good inventory controls and controls over the cash register or people will just end up stealing from review and we didn't do any of that so we we managed to torch a lot of our wealth on these two crazy projects that we knew nothing about so back down the snake again and so at this point I kinda okay well. I think the problem was a the problem of knowledge. You know. I didn't know enough about those businesses so I should focus back on what we know and my partner and I both experts in the stock doc market so we we had started a company teaching people how to trade the financial markets so we focused on that built up that business business that was going well. Borrowed a bunch of money to expand the business and then the global financial crisis hit in two thousand and eight and we had the stat that we needed to roll over the short term debt. We borrow to expand the business and no bank in the world would would lead to us so at this point you you know about to go back down the snake again and this this time I was really on the edge of bankruptcy and it kind of shocked me away can. I'm like wait a minute. What is going on? What is this crazy? Gain a loss cycle that I'm experiencing and I recognized recognized. You know a feeling of terror in the pit of my stomach and for some reason I just asked myself the question. Wow Wow. When's the first time I felt this and I realized I'd felt it when I was eleven and my parents had broken up and I went? Wow wait a minute Anna am I. Am I stuck on this cycle of gain and loss gain and loss. Because that's the pattern. I experienced in my childhood with my parents. Having all this wealth and then losing everything am I. Am I stuck in this cycle. Because I think that that's how the world goes and at that moment was an epiphany for me and a huge epiphany and I started to become interested in subconscious mind and read very heavily Someone had given me a great book called the power of your subconscious mind by Joseph Murphy. I don't know if you've ever read that book. It was written in nineteen sixty three. And it's a it's a great one. It's a bit of a classic so that got me on the track of understanding that not all of our decisions in life are based on rational conscious this reasoning that sometimes in fact most times we make our decisions based on our sub-conscious Beliefs and our subconscious conscious urges And so I suddenly became aware that I had all these beliefs about money and success. Assess and wealth that had come from my childhood and then at the same time I was obviously involved in a business teaching thousands of people how to grow their wealth through trading financial markets. And it was actually my one of my jobs in the business was supporting the clients. We were having a difficult time applying the teachings and over and over. I would find for them. The problem was not in desire. They definitely had a burning desire to create eight wealth. The problem was not in knowledge We had taught them well and they had learned the same thing that all of our other clients had learned about trading markets. It was not an opportunity. They had the same markets to trade as everybody else to people who were making it work but usually when people weren't making it work work it was because they were doing sabotaging behaviors like they wouldn't follow. Follow the rules or they do something. It wasn't always the same same thing that they do something to sabotage their success so that even though they had all the other conditions that other people had they would have failure where other people were experiencing success. So that got me really thinking deeply on this topic and through my work work with my clients and also my own experience I was able to identify. What the top? Seven limiting beliefs about money are and and where they came from and how to change them. And that's what I decided to write my book about because I'd seen and I thank you for your compliment that you read things in my book that you haven't seen in any other book that was also my experience. I read a lot about how to change. Subconscious believes but I hadn't read very much about. Well what are they. What are the beliefs you need to change? And how do you go about doing that. There wasn't there wasn't a lot of systemized thinking on that topic. Let me ask you a question before we get into this way. Didn't when you brought this up like it's not the desire it's not the knowledge. It's not the opportunity but it sabotaging behaviors when when when you were able to talk with these folks did like for me. The Light Bulb went off. It was kind of like. I don't know if you remember that movie. Be With Kevin Costner. Field of dreams. Where the mother in laws like what are you talking about? You need to sell this. And all all of a sudden the his niece falls and he saves her and he turns around and says when did all these ballplayers get here like reading book. The lightbulb went off for me like Holy Moly. So when when you talk to people th- was it the same like Oh my God yes yes for a lot of people You know they don't realize that subconscious beliefs are Governing their behavior and like the analogy. I come up with is imagine you have a glass table. And you have a figuring on top of the table table right and then you have a magnet underneath the table. So that it's like a middle figurine and you've got a magnet under the table. what's really going on is is that the magnet which represents our subconscious mind is really moving the figuring so the magnet goes left. The figuring goes left the magnet goes right. The figuring goes all right on the conscious level. We say to ourselves so we're the figuring we say. I think I'm going to go left. But it's actually after the magnets already started going left that we say that you know we do an ex post kind of rational justification of what our subconscious mind is already getting us to do so we might say. Hey I you know there's something I want over on the left side here I'm GonNa go left but it's it's just justifying what's already happening and when you when you become aware that actually there's this magnet there's this subconscious programming and it's doing most of the decision making Then you can you can in get in there and you can reprogram that code and I do think that belief changes like a like a mental software update basically You can actually get into the code and you can update it so that your subconscious is aligned with what you consciously want. What often happens is on the conscious level? We want something so we say I would like to be I want to be wealthy and then subconsciously we we might have a belief like Money is easy. Come easy go so we never actually get to our wealth objective because we make money and lose it and then we make money goes out on bills or we make money and we find a way for it to leave our life just as quickly as it's as it's entered and that's one believed that's very very common or say you have a desire a conscious desire that you don't want to work very much. She she won't have plenty of money and Plenty of time to go on holidays and be on the beach but at the same time you have a subconscious belief that you have to work hard for your money. And so then what people find is they never get to that holiday lifestyle that they want because they're always working hard hard for every dollar they make so those are just examples of how your subconscious beliefs can be out of alignment with what it is that you consciously want and when want when that happens the subconscious belief wins every time every time. Yeah because the subconscious is like so coming back to the computer analogy right if your subconscious beliefs are like your software. It's operating in a in a kind of you've five hundred bit processor environment. Let's say whereas your conscious mind only has access to fifty processor so you know all the automated systems in your brain are just way more powerful than than the conscious than the conscious mind systems got it got it all right. So you highlighted two of the sevens But I just WANNA on a backup for a minute and can you just cover. Basically what our belief framework is you know the thing thing that I believe it when I see it and then go from there and we can. We can work on by limiting belief which is money is easy Z.. Commies you guys right. Okay cool which is very very common one by the way and I have a I have a really good switch out for that one. So we'll we'll come back to that. So essentially you know how the automated systems in our brain and which is where our subconscious belief programs are residing We have something called the ridiculous activating system and it's basically the system that allows allows us to sort the incoming information into our brain into what we think is important or relevant or useful and that essentially is things that we believe to be true Things that we believed to be important and things that we believe to be relevant so a lot of people have had the experience when they decide to buy a new car and they're thinking about what kind of car they wanna buy it and all of a sudden they start seeing those cars everywhere on the road. Have you ever had that experience and that is actually the reticulation activating system at work work. So when you're thinking about by the car and you're thinking about what model you WanNa buy you've told your brain. Please sort the incoming information for that that model a car and then you start seeing them more often because your brain is sorting so that applies to every every bit of information really really. There's way too much information per our brain to take in any one time so we have to have verily ruthless sorting mechanisms so that our brain rain doesn't become overwhelmed so it's basically the case. Whatever you believe to be true you sort for evidence of that it and you chuck out evidence to the contrary so you see what you believe? You don't believe what you easy. You only actually see the things that you already believed to be torture. Yeah so it's very important to know. What are you sorting for? Because if you are sorting if you want success you better be sorting for opportunities. He's for that success. If you're not sorting for opportunities if you're sorting instead for risks or for things visit your frayed of which a lot of people do you're not going to see the opportunities you're just absolutely not even going to see them so you certainly can act upon them. Cool what you wrote. which just to summarize what you just said which I think is brilliant? You wrote what do you believe if we deeply we believe something at a subconscious level than even if we consciously wish things could be different the power of our sub conscious mind ensures that our beliefs get reaffirmed again and again in our everyday experiences in this way our subconscious police can actually sabotage our conscious efforts to manifest change change. I am speaking. You are speaking to the vast majority of people yes absolutely. I believe that we are here to self actualize to manifest to our highest level of being and yet the subconscious gets in away almost all the time for us it can. It can definitely get in the way. The the flip side is is when you get your subconscious mind on board and the coding in your subconscious belief system in alignment with what you consciously desire. Then the the the acceleration you'll experience with respect to achieving your desired outcomes is so breathtaking that it can feel like miracle. I love that so I don't want to give away the whole book. But could you go through each Smith and then we'll pick out like one or two and I know it's not always about me but we could definitely work on that one. Sure okay so let's just to finish off that that topic about you know your beliefs. Sure a lot of people ask. When they're they want to achieve a goal they there ask? Well what should I do that differently. What should I do that? I'm not doing now so that I can achieve my goal and I think that's the the wrong question. I think that people should be asking. What should I believe differently? What do I believe? Now that is stopping me from achieving that goal and if I change change that belief would make the team that goals very easy. So let's go through some of the top seven beliefs that are stopping people with respect to money wealth and success and the very first the core belief of this. It's really a belief system is as the belief in scarcity and that's basically the belief that says there is not enough to go around. There's not enough for everyone. And so so therefore if I want my fair share of the Pie or even more than my fair share of the Pie then I need to compete with other people and this whole idea brings up a bunch of kind of negative emotions like success envy so so where where when somebody else's successfully kept me happy for them because you feel like they are taking more than they're taking part of the Pie. Hi that that you would like to have right because you viewing this whole situation as a competition you know saying like money doesn't grow on trees is a scarce deeply Waste not want not when you find yourself saying things like I can't afford it and it's hard to make money. These are beliefs that are rooted in this idea that there's not enough to go around and the flip side to that belief is leaving. There's more than enough to go round that actually we're living in system of abundance and you know one of one of the ways when you're when you're challenging or you WANNA change your beliefs. There are actually three steps to go through The first step is identified the limiting belief and that can be the hardest step for people. Because they don't these are sub-conscious not just beliefs there below the level of conscious awareness so it can be hard to grab onto. And that's part of the reason I wanted to identify. What are the top seven limiting beliefs because if you get those seven limiting beliefs sorted out and unlimited that? That's kind in a eighty percent of the battle ninety percent of the battle for some people so the first step is identify the belief the second step is to weaken it so so we want to insert doubt into the absoluteness of that belief. So people who think money doesn't grow on trees and it's hard to make make money and I'll never be able to afford my own home or you know who are saying things like that. It's important to question that and say well doc is that actually true Is it true that it's hard to make money. Is that true for everyone aren't aren't there. Examples of people out there who have found it very easy to make money. Is it true all the time have I even experienced times when it's easy to make money even though I may have gone on to sabotage myself and make money disappear again have have. I never experienced money flowing flowing to me easily so we just started to to argue the counter case and with scarcity the biggest counter-case. I've I've ever come up with is the fact that we live on a planet with the sun beating down on us. Sending the estimate is five thousand times more energy per minute than we currently are using so five thousand times more. Energy is coming to our planet that we're not capturing that then we currently need to do everything that we're doing and serve the entire population and we are getting better at capturing that energy through solar cell technology technology. So it's not actually big late to say we're living in a virtually limitless abundance system. But we don't believe that dewey in our whole economic system is not based on that idea at all so it's interesting as a collective society. We don't seem to believe that but just because everybody believes in scarcity. It doesn't actually mean that it's true so that's important thing to realize okay so the second myth is that time is money so that the only way way for us to make more money is to exchange time port so in terms of weakening this myth. Obviously this this is not true for everyone Some people make money by having their money make more money for them. They have investments and rental title properties. Or they have money. Invested in the stock market or in businesses they have employees who are trading their time so that they get to leverage time labor time. So there's lots of ways to devote divorce yourself from the time equals money constraint but and and yet most people don't most people out there exchanging time for dollars and that's the paradigm they're working with it and it is true. There are only twenty four hours a day so that is that's not a belief that's that seems to be a fact so so the only way to divorce yourself from the time is money constraint is to make sure that you know it's not just your time being exchanged for dollars I bet you leverage it somehow okay so the third myth is the idea that you're worth as a person is somehow tied to the work that you do so this is where the idea you have to work hard for. Your money comes from our entire education system is really based around this one where you know your level of education -cation determines how much an hour of your time is worth so if you're you know a fast food worker you're GonNa get ah minimum wage whereas if you're a surgeon you know you're GONNA get way more depending on your level of education but this in itself is still just a paradigm there are ways to ensure that you know the work that you do is actually worth what you say. It's worth So you know one of the ways to do this is to to leverage what you do so if you luke riding is an example I write the book once but I get paid for it over and over again so you know. There's a passive income stream stream associated with the book. Similarly if I if I do an online course I might record that once and yet I can sell it over and over again so it's not necessarily the case that there has to be a limit on how much my work is worth okay so the fourth myth is that it takes money to make money so this kind of comes from the the rich get richer while report poorer idea. Where if you didn't have money to start with then you kinda locked out of the system And you know there's no way to break through a need money to get started and if you don't have at your kind of too bad And this is also also definitely not true I think it's certainly true that everybody starts where they're at and not everybody starts at the same place you know. That's that's absolutely true. Some people start with more money and more opportunities than other people people but there is wonderful thing in investing called compounding returns which is where you invest your money for for a positive return and then the return that you make reinvest So you never taking money out of the investment. You're only ever reinvesting the returns back into the vestment. So your overall investment pot grows and then you were earning returns on your returns and when you keep doing matt you access the power of compounding returns which allows you to access exponential growth in your investments. So you can and snowball your investment capital over time using compounding returns so although it does take money to get a little bit of money to get started started you can catch up quickly because a lot of people don't do compounding. They don't reinvest they spend their returns. So if you don't do do that if you're in reinvest instead you can catch up very quickly all right now. Your favorite nece money is easy. Come easy go. This is the fifth myth. Another way of saying it is money and money out. Sometimes you hear people people say I take one step forward two steps back. This is all the same sort of believes that you know. When I make money when it flows into my life easily easily? It goes very quickly on bills or or you know just leaves my life on how and I definitely had had this one. This was part of my gain law cycle. And you know it's in different degrees for different people. I think because I had grown up in a wealthy family I knew that a high degree of wealth was possible but I still had money as easy. He come easy go in my belief system and so my gaining lost psycho was millions of dollars at a time it was quite extreme whereas for most people will although they might have a game in law cycle in place. It may seem less. Extreme is just sort of you know month to month. They never seem to get ahead. So that's definitely one you can change and I'll go through in a minute. How how you a method very simple methods so you can do to switch out a belief and what a good switch out for this one is so go myth number six six is and I think I also had this one in place was it? Money won't make you happy. And the thing about the subconscious just mind. Is You know people can argue. Money doesn't make you happy. You know other other things that make you happy and money can facilitate your happiness. Maybe maybe but it doesn't make you happy and the thing about the subconscious mind is. It's not very sophisticated like you know a lot of computer programming. Like one small slip in the code can make a massive difference. And it's like that with the with the subconscious mind so saying money doesn't make you happy but other things can make you happy and money can help. That's all fairly subtle concepts whereas the subconscious mind just just tends to quote it as money does not equal happy and so if money does not equal happy. That's not actually very far far from money. Wills unhappy you know like it's it's not difficult to for the subconscious mind to Miss Code that so. I think that that's often what happens. Is that People people actually believe that money will make them unhappy and you can see this is coming out and saying like more money more drama More money more problems and money can't buy me love and you know how often I hear people who have money saying I don't know who to trust. I don't know who loves me just because of my money or her who who's with me just because my money and who truly loves me. So steadily a fairly prevalent prevalent belief sure can can be changed and then the big daddy final belief that most people have is that money will corrupt your soul. So money will somehow turn you into a bad person. Someone who's like you know a miser or Ebony Scrooge type you know where all they care about is money and they've lost their compassion humanity and all all that sort of stuff so this is. This is very very strongly programmed in our religious systems Often that in many sayings in Christianity about you know it's harder for camel to pass through the live needle than for a rich man to get into heaven you know What what is it worth getting the whole world and losing your soul? You know things like that. Speak to this myth but if you had a lot of money would somehow be corrupted by it. So a lot of people are scared of having money because they're scared of the personnel become if they have money and therefore they don't ever allow themselves to to have significant amounts amounts of money. When the truth is money is is very powerful if you want to have greater impact impact if you want to do good work in the world if you want to change things that you believe are unjust or that? You know you're just not. You're you're not in alignment with having money can pave the way for you to have greater impact so it's actually one of the things that can allow you you to actualize what it is you WanNa do in life in the most in a very powerful way and yet a lot of people deny themselves that opportunity because they think they're going to suddenly change. Somehow I love it. Okay so those are the seven money miss and as I said with with changing beliefs. It's very important that you follow the three steps. Oh the first step is identify the belief the second step is weak in the belief and and then the third and final step is to overwrite the belief or replace it with a new belief now a lot of people a lot of people skip to the third step without doing the first two steps so you know in the third step there. Things like saying affirmations. We're doing vision boards or you know listening to hypnosis tracts. There's quite a few different techniques in that third. Replace the belief step. But if you haven't done the first two steps they tend not to work in a permanent the way the third step so it might work for a little while but then it kinda breaks down It's kind of like I say like if you were putting wallpaper on a moldy wall and you didn't clean the mold off the wall. I is put the wallpaper on top. It would look good for a little while but that mold would continue to grow underneath. Yes and eventually it would poke through so it's like that with belief change. Where if you don't do the first two steps of clearly identified the belief and we we can then the third step of overriding often doesn't work uh-huh so having said that with your with your money as easy commies ago belief? I'M GONNA assume that you've done the first two steps. So you have identified the belief and you have argued the counter case you have weakened the hold on your mind of that belief absolutely okay and then we progress to the third stop and a very simple version of the third step is something I call the sleepy mine method and that is where you take your new belief so you designing design a new belief. That's not going to limit you and with money is easy. Comey's ago a really simple. Substitution is money is easy come easy Zi grow so this allows for the idea that money comes into your life easily and it continues to grow that that doesn't mean that non flows out just that your overall wealth continues to grow. You could be even more specific and say they. Money flows into my life easily. My wealth grows and grows so you choose the belief you WANNA use to replace the and then put it on a card like just a little index card or even a A sticky note and put it beside your bed. And then when you're falling asleep at night you WanNa have you WanNa get into that kind of groggy. Almost half asleep state because the veils are parted. More at that time. You have more direct access to your subconscious. Mind when you're in that kind of groggy state MHM then you pick up the card and you repeat it to yourself three or four times out loud and then put it down and go to sleep then when you first thing in the morning when you wake up and you're still kinda groggy you pick it up and you do the same thing. Read it out loud three or four times and then put the card down and get on with your day. If you do that for about a week. You'll you'll find that you'll make huge progress that I believe I love that. That's brilliant. SIP listenable super simple. I have that you know I do morning affirmations morning morning gratitude and I I've already incorporated that when when I read your book that that I like it even better money's easy come easy grow. There's something something more magical to me about that whether it's the rhyming of it but Yeah Rhyming and rhyming is actually a very good technique with the subconscious. Mind so if you can turn your `formation into a rhyme. It's it just sticks quicker cool. Yeah well Julie I am very cognizant of your time. I really appreciate you taking a your your time today to share with our audience. Is there anything else that you'd like to impart before we leave. Sure I'd like to tell you about what happened for me when I did this. Oh yeah go ahead laid on US so back in two thousand eight. I'm on the verge of bankruptcy. Mike Company owed three million dollars. There's and as I said no one would know bank would refinance US and I worked very heavily on my subconscious inches beliefs at that time. And I think it now in hindsight was the best thing I could've done so from two thousand eight to two thousand twelve. The four years years following the global financial crisis. We managed to turn that three million dollar debt around in two three million dollars in cash in the bank during a time that was basically a recession so it wasn't a fantastic time for business and I know now that the only reason we were able to have such an amazing turnaround is because the work that I did on my subconscious beliefs allowed me to see opportunities that I would not have seen and otherwise. So there's lots of things we did to achieve that turnaround in a practical sense but the main the the main point I'd like to make is that without rewiring my beliefs. I would not have seen any of those opportunities. I would have been completely stuck in my fear and I think I would have gone bankrupt. That is amazing. And it's relatable and and as I tell folks if one person can do it it means it can be replicated. That's just the scientific method. It's brilliant I i. I love the book. I love everything that you've written. I really enjoyed our time. Could you tell folks where they can find you in the world. Sure sure. So you can go to confine the book the abundance Code on Amazon so that's the simplest way to find it Julianne Cairns I also have a site for the book called the Abundance Code Book dotcom in go there and sign up for a series of five free videos about the seven monuments. There's nothing for sale on the site. Once you sign up you'll also get my weekly blog But really like there's no upsell which is often the case when you go to someone site and put your email addresses so just to rest assured that there's none of that and Yeah otherwise What about your What about your class that you teach in Australia right so right now I'm working on a startup business? which is an APP an APP that teaches people how to trade financial markets in a game a fide setting so that's still in startup phase? We're just beat attesting that so that's not quite ready to release to to the public and Also my film which is also called the abundance code you can check that out at the abundance. Co Dot Com Tom And that's I've gone and interviewed fifteen or sixteen different thought leaders in this field like John Ashcroft the John D Martinian Jeff Walker bunch of different people who all have made this journey from scarcity thinking to abundance thinking king in their life and it kind of tells their stories of how they achieve change. That's really cool John John D. Martinez a good friend friend of beyond your wildest gene. So he on the podcast and been been on our summits. So and we've all. We've all done the breakthrough experience as well which is really cool. I I have so much respect for him. He's amazing absolutely well folks. If you like what you heard word please do us a favor and go to itunes and leave a review. 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21: Collateral For Ten Million

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21: Collateral For Ten Million

"Spoke Media Hello Ghost family. Welcome to family. Ghosts Where car lunch room? West summer we met the Peterson family at their home on Long Island. It's it's a few hours east of New York City in the suburbs. They were gathered up for a family birthday and producers from the Family Ghost team. Join Them Ed. Every single birthday you say what your evening you can tell me what you know. Ah the Peterson's are big tight knit clan. They have lots of family parties. Lots of traditions like every Easter. They do something they call a road. Rally uncle rob rates rhyming clues lose based on local history and Family Lore and then the rest of the family drives around town figuring out where the clues lead even though it's Easter they don't pick up eggs. They pick up. Little Tokens funds for their team. Like the green team. Finds all the green ones. And the Tokens are made of tape and PVC pipe. So they once got in trouble for leaving one at an airport because as one family member told us they did sort of look like bombs anyways. That's not what the stories about. That's the thing about spending time with the Peterson's you often find yourself listening to one story the and then getting drawn into this whole other thing. The person who introduced us to the Peterson's and all their quirks is Kieran. The youngest member of the Family Kirin Kerlin is the one who decided to bring a couple of podcast producers to a family birthday party. She had some questions about her grandfather. Aigner Olaf Petersen in my family the stories they'd kind of just come out of nowhere from a really early age they were just like. Oh your grandfather did. Your father did that. This crazy thing happened he robbed a bank. Honor died more than twenty years ago when Karen was six but in the family. Honor is immortal. A legend Karen can't remember when she first started hearing the stories. They've just always been there popping up in conversation the kitchen table in the car on the way to school drying dishes at the sink. You just hear about these things kind of like a more physically out on long island with Cairns family. We saw this happen exactly as she described. We'd talking about something normal like piecing together a timeline of minors life and then suddenly someone would cut in you own the diamond sorry he was a Co.. Oh yeah deeper and brother Ryan muttered. I think he's stolen or something. Something stole the deed to a diamond mine and then Cairns and Robin just continued on kept talking. That's how it is with stories. It's about GRANDPA aigner. How it has always been Kieran heard all these stories in pieces I enlarge? It's like tiny little fragments that get told as you like. Ask for them. The thing that's always wild about them as like these stories all kind of have like names and so it'll be like the diamond mind or the ATM thing like the serial one. The stories go something like this. Oh Yeah GRANDPA. Honor was involved in some kind of arms deal maybe Nicaragua maybe the CIA was involved or Graham was on stage with Joe Colombo the alleged mob boss when Columbo got shot at an Italian American rally. Yeah no we're not Italian. There are whispers. At Grinder's money came from the mob that he knew the vanderbilts got special treatment from the governor. All of this made him sound. Sound like some kind of mysterious glamorous criminal but in other stories Karen got glimpses of GRANDPA. GRANDPA honor who was more of a small time wheeler-dealer. He had a scheme for a while where he stuffed toys into cereal boxes and somehow made money doing that. Then that scheme dried up maybe 'cause he scammed the cereal company or maybe because he crossed the mob was this before or after the scheme with the diapers or the scheme with the dinosaurs shape soap. Oh Yeah and don't forget. He ran a Spanish language newspaper even though he couldn't speak a word of Spanish. So Karen had these the pieces partial contradictory and sometimes unbelievable like the CIA. The mob. The vanderbilts really I think part part of me is like a little frustrated with my family when you meet other families and you talk to me like. What's this thing that happened they might have like a divergent at some point? There's a basic understanding of reality and I feel like if my family there's like we turn left. No we actually turned riots at. Actually you never want all. It's like what happened. Feels important cure and had this sense at her. Grandfather wasn't really a glamorous Hollywood criminal and also the sense that growing up life for Cairns dead and her aunts and uncles had not always been as cool and fun and dramatic as people like to make it sound around when we used to tell these stories only told like the heroic cool version of a as near as can tell there were times when aigner was actually leap verifiably rich possibly even powerful for a couple of years. I lived in fancy apartment on Fifth Avenue Manhattan once honored did come home with the brand new red thunderbird convertible Cairns. Dad Remembers driving into school but over time Kieran started asking what happened next in those stories stories and the more she heard the more her grandfather started to seem like kind of a deadbeat honor. Lost that fancy apartment and then they had basically no money and the kids a tuna fish sandwiches for most of their meals a year after that thunderbirds showed up. Someone came to take it away. Honors businesses businesses went bankrupt. Over and over he cheated on all of his wives. His credit was so bad he started opening cards in his kids names. Recently Karen has been feeling fed up with the mystery about who her grandfather father really was. And that's partly because the older Kieran gets the more she starts to recognize those extreme sides of honor in herself. I'd much rather other make someone happy. Then tell the truth means cure and sometimes finds herself looking on the bright side ignoring bad things until they get to bed to ignore the idea like always I was looking on. The bright side is that it feels stable like oh we always look on the bright side but the reality is like a naturally unstable way to live your life to be like. I'm fine. I'm fine I'm fine and find. Oh wait I'm drowning. In Lava. Kieran has been working on finding that middle ground reality and with her family with these big dramatic stories about grandpa honor stories. That always looked at the bright side I cure and had the same impulse. She wanted to know without all the drama. What really happened? What what can we say for sure and a couple of years ago? Karen got a clue. Her older brother sent out this email to the family with a link to an article in the New York Times. The article begins quote. Five businessmen were indicted in Brooklyn Federal Court yesterday Eh on charges of defrauding Citibank of one point six million dollars in the last paragraph of the article. It named one of the defendants Einer Peterson. Kieran had heard of this story the Bank Heist Story. The article didn't say heist but he did say defraud. And one point six million dollars and when Cuban read this she finally. The newspaper of note has life. They'd written this thing down like something happened. At least we know that something happened. The article was sparse on details but luckily there was another document that could help. My Dad was like Oh. That's the one that had the screenplay about what's in this screenplay compare co written by either himself. Her grandfather's supposedly told the whole story of the bank heist. So the next time Karen went home. She asked her dad to get the script out of the basement. I like read the entire screen claim that weekend. It's called collateral for ten million. The story involves offs forgery. The mob and millions of dollars hidden in offshore bank accounts the main character. Peter Sorensen seems to be based on Kirin's GRANDPA Honor Peterson crucially for Kieran. This was a story that she could also track down in the public record. She didn't have to take her grandfather's others weren't for it. She could try to find out what really happened and along the way maybe she could figure out who aigner actually was. I think it's important but like you should probably probably worked remember people in like for like the actual things that people did cry. I always cry at these things but I think that it's important to like actually make an effort to remember things from spoke media and WWL T- you're listening to family ghosts. I'm Sam Dingman and this is episode twenty one collateral for ten million after the break cure and goes looking for the real pinar. A Peterson this episode of family. Ghosts is sponsored by better help online. Counseling is there something that interferes with your happiness or or that is preventing you from achieving your goals. Better help connects you to licensed professional counselors who specialize in depression stress anxiety relationship sleeping in trauma anger grief self esteem and a subject. Some of you may be familiar with family conflicts. You can now get help on your own time time at your own pace schedule. Secure video or phone sessions plus chat and text with your therapist. Anything you share with. Your counselor is confidential Joel. And if you're not happy with your counselor for any reason you can request a new one at any time at no additional charge. I get regular messages from my counselor slur. Amanda and I can tell you if you need some help better help is a great option right now. Better help offering family ghosts listeners. Ten percent off your first month off when you use the discount code ghosts so why not get started today go to better help dot com slash ghosts simply fill out a questionnaire to help them. Assess your needs and get matched with a counselor. You'll love that's better help dot com slash ghosts SPOUT media. We're going to get back to that bank heist and the screenplay collateral for ten million. But before we get into any of that we wanted to know what Kieran herself could remember about. GRANDPA honor what she could say for sure cures memories of her grandfather. Our Little Kid Memories Memories. She was only six years old when he died nor now getting like handed to him. So my all my memories are like are saying goodbye or hello is most of it like you arrive and you get handed to Grandpa and Grandma Cook and then you get handed back. When she was hugging goodbye he would often slip Kieran? Some cash never really knew what was happening until the money was in your hand. And you'd be like Oh my God thank you. He'd be say some clip about it. If you don't spend it all in the one place careful where you spend spend well. Karen said it always felt like a secret between the two of them like they were conspiring against her parents though said her parents wouldn't have minded if GRANDPA honor gave her five five cents to buy some candy other than that. She remembers that he smelled like cigars and that he had a low voice he would grunt and like do you really aren't cures brothers. Have more memories of minor than she does. They lived with him when they were kids. When honor was at the end of his life he moved in with his daughter Robin Secure and says that many of her memories of aigner are really mishmash of what she remembers and what her brothers have told her so? That's a big part of the reason. We went out to long island to crash and sister's birthday party. She wanted to ask her brothers about aigner now. A quick note about Kieran Siblings. They're technically we her double cousins cures dad chip and chip sister. Robin both married. A brother and sister from other family called the Mealey's so since it's a brother other sister from one family married to a sister and brother from another their kids are double cousins but they basically themselves as siblings. So that's the terminology we're using in this story like I said nothing with the Peterson's is ever simple when Cairns older brothers Cullen and Ryan were kids. GRANDPA honor lived in a room downstairs. They remember that he had a whole wall of dressers drawers full of who knows what he had a tackle box full of cheap jewelry and he would let their sisters pick out a piece to keep when they came over. He watched loud TV and Cook Norwegian fish balls late into the night he did some normal grandfather. Things like read them. Dr seuss books. He would babysit sometimes and for a little while they figured out they could call aigner and pretend to be sick and he would come and pick them up and let them hang out at home all afternoon. Their mom put a stop to that when she found out their mom said the fact that either lived on a separate floor that was on purpose basically. She thought her dad was a bad influence. I I remember stealing table. Yeah Yeah and others and hardcore as well he had a whole drawer. Full of it is when I asked him to get rid of after he did okay. We're no you didn't get rid of him. When Cullen and Ryan talk about their grandfather they take a different tone than the one? Caring takes their lot less forgiving than I am. If you talk to my brother about cramping or he'll be like really pissed in jars in our living room like he like watch. TV and just like died. Aigner was an Alcoholic Ryan and Collins said he was drunk all the time all day every day trying to he had a Cooler Cup and start out with bloody Marys and then in around noon he would start corn tonic in there and they would just it would transition in Cali by two. And that's Karen's brother Ryan I. I wouldn't say that I'm mad at him. I just don't think that he's a good guy at all. I don't think there's much redeeming value sides. Couple chuckles here and there. I mean there were certainly things about his life. That were very interesting but most of it was BS And that's Karen's other brother. Cullen saying I don't agree with that Collins says he doesn't necessarily think the BS yes was a bad thing mom's ability to compartmentalized trauma and move past. It is because it is loose relationship with the truth with reality. I mean he's a larger than life character for all of us even now whereas Collins saw honor is a character after Ryan used a different word to describe him overall. I think he was as close to a sociopath that I have ever come into contact with I think that he viewed the world as yes I live here and these people are part of it. Not So fast says Colin. Maybe it's more complicated than that implying. Him Making Ovens and there's there's part of detrimental but there's moles of horror this beneficial when we talked to cure in about this later. She said that this kind of debate about the facts of family history and specifically about GRANDPA. Honor it happens a lot in her generation of Peterson's since and she thinks that's partly because a lot of them have gotten sober used to glorify alcohol in everything that we did. We like made it a part of everything everything and so it was always a part of our stories. And now it's like this major thing that we're kind of reevaluating our stance on as a family and so like this naturally is GonNa for for me at least has meant that I look at these stories differently. Kieran herself still drinks but because of her family's history of alcoholism. She's cautious about it. I'm like like knowing every beer that I have for me. I'm just a person who's like really aware of how much use substances. Maybe that's part of the reason. These stories are hard understands. It's it's like well now that we're silver. I'm really trying to take accounting for our actions and like actually keep an account of what's really going on and of course that's the other reason and we went out to long island to find out the real story behind one legend. That seems like it may be might be true. The bank robbery the screenplay collateral for ten million but as with so many stories about Grandpa honor when cure and tried to get to the truth. One story bled bled into another when asked about the screenplay one of her brothers said Oh yeah the screenplay coats when he tried to tried to steal hosts England thousand different lab uh-huh it turned out that collateral for ten million wasn't the only screenplay in fact there was an entire box of screenplays in the basement of the house. One one of our producers went and got it right on top was a horror movie aigner had written which did not seem to be based in reality. They're all right right. Yeah you're right at the beginning and then there was this other screenplay Karen hadn't heard of also about some kind of crime. Aw Jewelry Robbery down this end rob said hold on a second. We have to call uncle of all the kids. Jamie was closest to honors criminal side. Aigner picked him in a way to follow in those particular footsteps. So Jamie got to see honor in a way that few other people did so Robbins said Jamie will know whether the jewelry thing actually happened Jamie. You're on speaker and you tell me was there and Julie non the Jamie said no no no no the jewelry thing. That was just a story. Okay was fictionalized and he had nothing to do with clams are us right because in the jewelry heist uses yeah they hit them in the clamps. Yeah Whoa this must be clear no about it was clear that Uncle Jamie is the one who can. Untangle liners crimes separate the fact from the fiction but the family goes team had gone to meet Jamie yet and you should really go into the city and talk to them. They really need your stories around the it after the break. Uncle Jamie Before we go on I wanNA tell you about another podcast. I think you might love. It's called beautiful stories from anonymous people and it's a podcast where comedian Chris Gifford talks to one anonymous person on the phone for an hour. There is only one rule. Chris can't hang up until the hour is over over. This show gives callers from all over the world a platform to really open up. They talk about their dreams their struggles their families all kinds of real life stuff and it can be hilarious heartwarming and inspirational often. All at the same time there have been serious calls like a woman calling because she's about to learn. The results is also daughters cancer. 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You know what I mean just because I don't want to hear I don't want to get him for the heat. I do not so we stayed away from certain topics but Kieran ask Jamie straight out. Did you ever do anything in relation to so this specific bank heist or whatever. You WANNA call it. It wasn't a high using high just the highest because that's how he wanted to but it was right exactly Jamie said okay. Look the story starts with one of honors businesses a legitimate one printing typesetting company. But Jamie. He wasn't working on the printing in the same office. There was also this is whole separate business for honors Let's call them peripheral projects and that is where Jamie worked. I had my own office. My I own secretary. And Dad's office was was extradited me and there's only the two of us that would kind of go back and forth as far as what went on as far as the other end of the business. Jimmy told us the Shadier side of the business was vaguely about resource development. They were investing in coal oil. Various fossil fuels trying to make money and they plan to use that money for various mostly legal ventures Jamie's talk about resource development may cure and think of the screenplay imply her grandfather had written in the screenplay. It's they're raising money for a mine. Oh I write a call more coal mine. Okay okay okay. But that's where we started. We started the business started with coalmine. Jamie said that part of his job was going out to look at natural resources the company but he might want to invest in. He said once when he was young he went down to a mine in Kentucky. That was supposed to be producing tons of coal. He had seen pictures everything. Everything looked great. When he got there? It was One back haul and dump truck when I finally pulled up to like Komo. Where's the call? Nothing here but they could still if you had the pictures and everything else like that have taken that to the bank and gotten some credit odd because thanks not gonNA send anybody down there from New York. According to Jamie Aigner made this sort of brazen assumption. He was like hey. I'm I'm not necessarily going to do this. But I could have taken out a long claiming that coal mine as collateral and I bet the bank wouldn't have have figured out that anything was wrong. That was the beginning of the whole gist of realizing. You could ask a bank for letters of credit letters of credit. The New York Times article that Karen has gets into this. It says says that five defendants were accused of forging passbooks before the Internet passbooks were basically written record of every transaction in one bank account and as Jamie tells it what China realized after that one coal mine turned up empty. was maybe you could just make passbook. Say whatever you want it to say well that was easy to do. You just had my dad was in the printing business. Which is somebody type ended up? You know the key was you could use those fake passbooks as collateral lateral for a loan. The bank looks at them and is like great. You have access to tons of money. Here's that business loan you asked for. We're sure you can pay us back. And then the idea was honor could use that real loan to fund more legitimate ventures which means he would make real money and use that to pay back. The Loan Jamie says I really was intending to make good. I don't think data stealing. He wanted to start the diamond line. I never had this dream of a diamond mine in Monrovia the capital of Liberia. I mean he was down there like three times in Monrovia. I 's all kinds of pictures. I pictures of ant hills is girlfriends all kinds of things. I really sincerely believe. He thought he would be able to pay off a a mob. Whatever the bills you had an started diamond wind in one row and life would be good but things didn't go that way Cassini couldn't or wouldn't say exactly how some of this stuff happened but he said the mob somehow got involved I've dealt with him up and I believe me they'll just take what as much as they can get and then they'll move onto the next thing because there's a whole bunch of suckers out there? They can play to make it happen. I'm sure they just play dead dead. Didn't realize he. It was getting play around this same time. I borrowed money from someone who Jamie described as a loan shark or he couldn't pay it back and things got scary every every Thursday it was it was like I gotta get you know this much cash together to go. Give this guy immediately problem. What does that look like? Because like I I think from all these stories I hear about grandkids like he seems like ooh cool calm and collected from the way that it's told now. So what did that anxiety. I do look like well you can see in the morning. He was in his brains off. What am I going to get the whatever thousands of dollars I need to get in the bank and talk to the bank and get it in cash? It was it could be anything else but cash but when it was an issue was an issue you know because this is a lake breaker. You know apart from handing over big envelopes of cash to this leg-breaker Honors Pass Book Scheme was about to come crashing down. He got caught the New York Times Times. Article says that he and four other men were indicted on charges of defrauding Citibank. At one point six million dollars our producers found some court records so it's clear that honor or did stand trial and Jamie Remembers the day that his dad went into here. The verdict the most he was ever worried was when he was going to court for this in this area where he was going to go to he might have to go to jail. He was more nervous than I had ever. He would not let me see him nervous. He didn't want no father wants to get so so but I saw him then he stand James if I'm out here to three o'clock than I'm out here at three o'clock if I'm not if he's not then genie. It was supposed to assume he wasn't coming back because he'd been found guilty. He thought he was going to go to jail that day. He wouldn't get there'd be no that wouldn't be enough money for bail or anything. I think that he was he was going to the end of it. You know so you dropped him off and then picked him up dropped off. I actually went to church believe lever. No it was in Staten Island and I forget the name of the Church I went to the church prayed crazy like that. I would help but I flood dimes. It would I praise you know. We Really Need Daddy's this isn't good. He goes away because the whole family is going to be upset. I WanNa live without Scampi you gotta get out and when he got out coming out because all right. Let's see picked Tomasa epic poem of. Yeah Mosey like WHO's happy. WHO's very happy curious? Jamie if he remembered numbered. What happened next and Jimmy? Says he took her to a bar where he spent the rest of the day. Drinking after that honors life kind of fell apart. He ended up moving in with Jamie and then with his daughter Robin he didn't have any money. But Jamie said I never stopped scheming. He talked about Salvaging ships never gave up Jamie. You don't ship direct we can go salvage ship and nobody we take the money. Take everything off the ship and say anything. 'cause it's it's wrecked my go. Hey Really Dan okay. teamster with a regular job ninety five or ninety five private every job that okay. I wasn't willing to let go of this idea. He had the greatness was always just around the corner before he died he was holding on just before he you know he was holding on trying to get grasping at straws and different things all the time you still trying to make it where it's like that you should just jaw your life right you I you grasping stores. I don't think he thought that we we're proud of him as kids and I think he wanted to still prove something to us not for the rest of world just to us that he was still viable. Doc You know a great man and he didn't realize am I might any Jamie was at peace with who either had been But Karen wasn't she felt like the real remained just out of reach still feels like he gets to be mysterious serious. She'd heard the story of the bank heist but there was so much stuff swirling around it. All these stories are told about himself over the years lies exaggerations exaggerations. She still felt like she couldn't see him or his crime. Clearly and yet Jamie was really the last person we can talk to or at least the last living person establishing shots fifth avenue morning. You've a typical Business Day in New York City foot. Typical Business Day in New York City after the break we do our best to bring her back to life in his own words SPOUT media two of our producers out to Long Island again this past fall to crash crash another family birthday party. Cairns dead chip was turning seventy. Hey happy birthday what are you what are you gonNa do to celebrate. We're going to have dinner here. We're and we'RE GONNA. It had been more than a year. Since the last time we crashed Peterson family birthday. And this time the plan was to sit down as a family and read the screenplay allowed the Petersons were ready. It turned out this whole plan. Jibe perfectly with another one of their annual traditions. In between Christmas and new years we read an episode of the West Wing feels we really liked the west wing but yes. We've done this before you guys are like professional channel readers of scripts. I would say no. We're off the screenplay remember. It's called collateral for ten million. It follows Peter Sorensen. Who is based on Aigner Peterson? He's trying to make payroll for his employees so he gets into business business. With some shady mobster characters he decides to forge passbooks to get collateral for a loan. which according to Jamie is what I did in real life life? There's also an affair with a woman named Susan who's apparently also real and Peter Sorensen is married to a woman named Maryland. Aigner also had wife named Maryland by the way we should add here. That honor wrote the notes for the screenplay but he collaborated on the final product with screenwriter. So it's not his words alone so we sat down in a circle. Everyone a copy of the script. Cairns dead chip had even pulled the original out of a box somewhere so so he was reading from a copy. That GRANDPA Aigner had actually touched in our heads. The family goes producers had started. Calling this the seance. What's Nice meal big into that seances connecting with the dead? This is the closest possible thing that we can do to get my grandfather to come back like talking about him all time focusing on be definitely. Yeah okay well. This is my moment title as collateral for ten million based on a story by Olaf Petersen coppery nineteen ninety-three Establishing shots fifth avenue morning a typical Business Day in New York City Typical Business Day in New York City. Thank number forty. Three Fifth Avenue comes into view. We move slowly through the luxurious twelve room. Apartment catching glimpses of antiques sculptures original paintings and soaring high ceilings that characterize architectural wizardry. Sanford wife Cairns DADS said actually wait a second. This isn't totally made up that. That was a real apartment that we lived in for a while. That was that was my address for a year. Probably so he did have its thing for a while and in did have servants quarters in the back of it and they did live there. Other parts of the script also rang true. Peter Finishes the last bite of a toasted English muffin and gulps. The the remains of a bloody Mary raising the empty glass to toast his wife ready for work. Some other parts may have been true but the family did not want to think about them. He gazed into her eyes. Along the her attorney gays smoulders promising greater awards. Found Somebody Elsa bloomingdale's but for you this evening and then there were some parts that seemed like they couldn't have actually happened. Could they two seconds later. Peter Raises Out of the bank wearing a superman costume and mask carrying a medium sized pouch interesting and Trevor Reaches Reaches over and opens the passenger door as Peter leaps into the car in the screenplay. This superman robbery happens before the whole scheme with the passbooks. Peter Sorensen tries to rob a bank in both the superman costume and mask. It doesn't doesn't work or we share. He didn't try to bank with zooming customers. We know are we. Would we know it's he would've told US I. I think he wouldn't have told you because it didn't work You know and what he does he admit to those. If you did happen it would have happened around the time I was probably of living in the city the Peterson's decided they were pretty sure it never happened. Say Ninety percent sure maybe eighty five and then about two thirds of the way through the script. We got to a scene between Peter and Susan. The woman he's having an affair with thinking of leaving Maryland visit him in stunned silence. I WanNa be with you. We can't go on like this doesn't make sense like parking on driveways and driving. Parkway's he ah the Peterson's could not keep it together. They said that was aigner. Exactly Susan teary-eyed what just one of those dumb things. I sometimes wonder about if an orange has an orange in orange. Why isn't an apple? A red or a banana yellow like that and very much. His honors drive on driveway like one of his. They were judgments. Well what's green and wheel and people get a garbage truck no grass and they'd say well doesn't have we they said. Well I did live at the end of that scene. Peter Sorensen and Susan have another little exchange. Peter Tells Susan that his wife in Maryland is barely aware of all the criminals stuff. He's involved in. She'd be mortified if she knew half of what I got myself into. You mean there's more Dr Peter just mild then again. Maybe I'll tell her as soon as we get back to New York. They continue walking right there that that was another classic honor Peterson moment even this screenplay that he wrote himself about his own crimes. There's a sense that he's holding something back not telling everything it's like real life. That is true that he would always take on real talk about everything because it Lamer when you know everything it and then you realize that pretty much all these these schemes failed it becomes sad. Dad knotted we wouldn't hear about the failures. Yes if there was ever a success. I'm sure we would have heard about it and I guess if there's always like another thing then maybe the next thing will be next thing we'll be will will like his will left ten grand to each of your tenure in each of us a diamond mind a bunch of stuff. He left in actuality like the contents of a room jazzy. Scooter and the old beat up. Cadillac starved cat. Yeah so hey got rid of the kind of like at that point but it's like you know that was like another little. It was the same thing Jamie had told us right up until his death. I never thought things things are about to change for me. Even though if he looked around he would have seen that he actually owned just bad jazzy. Scooter that starved cat and still be left a generous equipments to all of his kids and grandkids. Because he believed that he would have he always the always believed that going to hell. I'll have the time please. I have more than this. And that's one of the things that I do. The flip side of this kind of living living in fantasy is that you are. The delusion can be a good thing right so I think that's a clear symbol. Trait is to have. We'll be all right but ever happens. We'll have the ten thousand dollars for everyone when we die. There's no ever ever it's something. That is a double edged sword. I think that it can set you up for huge disappointment but at the same time you genuinely like do things southwe workout. This conversation had come up over and over again with Peterson's Karen had the sense we make these stories sound better than they were and part of her thought. Let's not do that anymore. And when Cairns brothers disagreed about GRANDPA honor during our first conversation was he a fraud or was there may be something good about that fraud. They were talking about this too. And in this circle with aigner script on their laps up's Peterson's started going back and forth about this. Is it a good thing or a bad thing chip said. I think it's good. You know I have his attitude about you. Know you're GONNA wake up in the morning and everything's GonNa be great today you know. I'm turning seventy today. A lot of people that would be turning seventy seventy would be looking at their life is like okay. Well that's the end of that. You know just sitting aracataca somewhere and I definitely don't have anything remotely like that in in in my head and to me. It's like the next thing that's go- Karen sister colleen was like yeah. I do this to somebody who likes struggles with like depression and stuff like that where it is like oftentimes really difficult to see things as other than gray way having this part of myself where it's like all come out on top you know sort of regardless of how I'm feeling or what happens to me in my life or whatever is like a useful tool that I can use or not one of or producers cut in here and said Okay you guys are clearly good at looking at the bright side? Does it ever get in the way of looking at things that you guys feel like if we can minimize it just happened badly line. It's not even a minimizing. I think in my head thing bad things genuinely feel smaller and Karen said sometimes she'll talk to friends about something hard that's happening in her life and she'll play it down and they'll say we curing. Do you hear how much that's sucks. Maybe you need to take a day off from work are you okay. I'm like oh it's fine. I'm bleeding from the head. It's fine and I think also there's a certain certain amount of it that means that like the accounting of our lives is just off in a way that you can't always trust or can never trust and a lot of ways to be like. Did things happen like did bad things happen. It's unclear sometimes like if anything bad really happened and that's a scary unsteady ground beyond at all times I leave interesting to that. Like all of the people who have gotten sober in our family and like part of the twelve steps is taking on inventory of yourself and how that plays against this sort of Peterson blinders. You know because I think this. Delusions of grandeur mentality. You either are doing one or the other. You're never saying this is truly how this is truly how this is. That's exactly what Karen was after in the case of a bank heist unfortunately there's only the screenplay version to go on in the movie. What happens is that the bank heist falls apart by accident? Someone accidentally spills coffee on one of the forged passbooks clerk calls to check the account balance and all is revealed to FBI agent. Show up in Peter. Peter Sorensen's office when they leave Peter's co-conspirator. Harry is worried that they're done for and Peter. Harry do eventually stand trial but just just like honor was in real life they're acquitted. We don't know how I got off in real life in the screenplay it's some loyally Hocus pocus none. None of the witnesses have communicated with Peter Sorensen directly. They've just talked to people that he worked with that amounts to hearsay not enough for a conviction and so when the verdict comes back we find. Peter Sorensen an Harry Fields gentleman Q.. Instill thought her grandfather was getting off too easy. This constant thing that I've been struggling with throughout this entire process has been like we. He looked so good. And it's frustrating than you always look so good. And he designed his whole life around looking good and he gets away scot-free and so the story is good but the family also felt like they'd sort of spent some time with honor for the first time in a while it was nice time it was like you were transported back to like the best and reading like. Oh there's a twist ending to the screenplay Susan the woman Peter was having the affair with runs off with the money he'd stashed away for himself six million dollars the final shot of screenplay is Susan in her yacht. We see a name painted on. It's often the name written in flowing. Script is the last last laugh hold shot sales slowly away fade out the listening to the Peterson's read the screenplay it was tempting to feel like aigner himself had gotten the last laugh like he'd spent his whole life concocting this incredible mythology around himself so that his failures and flaws were hard to see clearly and here was his family long after his death still telling and retelling niners tall tales remembering him on his own invented terms but the more I thought about it the more I realized there might be something more interesting happening at the end of the screenplay honor gets away with the Heist but Susan is the one who claims the actual prize. Her reward for putting up with aigner is to sail off into the sunset with the fortune he thought would would be his and in a way. That's what happened during our stance when aigner died. None of the Peterson's inherited his supposed fortune. Listen I inner may not have been the mastermind he liked to portray himself as in his stories but in this weird drunk fairly narcissistic way. He gave his family something to believe in. I mean it is defined their family is what makes us who we are yes ability to have this kind kind of belief in ourselves and belief that things will be okay but not have evidence to support that. I think it's a huge part of who we all are and and it comes directly from him this whole process of looking into honors crimes trying to unravel them. We've been added for more than a year and I'm very very sad to report that we never even came close to figuring out what the hell clams are us was but it has been a big year for curing and the Petersons many of whom as we mentioned have gotten sober yeah. I don't know if I can talk about it too much lower crime much but I mean I think it's huge. I think my my grandfather was like a raging alcoholic. Karen says she really saw the change on that day. They all sat down to read the script. I cannot remember the last this time I hung out with my family for a full that unknown drink. I don't know if that's ever happened. Let me see be so like proud. I think the Peterson's got the last laugh. Honor spent his life trying and failing to live in this elaborate fantasy world. And today the Petersons have the best of both worlds the one he invented and the one where they can well soberly acknowledged his shortcomings while we were reading the screenplay at one point cairn sister colleen said I wish GRANDPA had sometimes told a boring story. Something from his real life and like we'll never know the mundane because he hated that of life in general. Let's go let's go back in to the fancy world family. Ghosts is hosted and produced by me. Sam Dean with Barracuda Others suray Chocolate Sally Helm Odell Reuben Jenna Hannam and genial Kastner in this episode was reported by Sally with additional reporting from Odell and Jacob Smith. Our story editor is Michaela Blind. Our production assistant his Julia Press. This episode was mixed by Evan or net. Our theme music is by Louis. GARRA executive producers for season three are myself along with Keith Reynolds and Alleata Colin at spoke media special. 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Maria knew nothing about her father. Aside from the fact that he lived in Jamaica and then one day in a Bagel Eagle shop a mysterious woman gave Mariah a Jamaican coin from nineteen seventy seven. The year Mariah was born. How often do you get a coin the year that you're born the place that you're thinking of going so mariah did what anyone would do? I bought a ticket to Jamaica armed with little more than a coin and hunch inch mariah embarked on a search for a man she'd never met in a country she'd never been to. I remember flying Montego Bay and seeing the island for for the first time and the first question in my mind is like he's down there like easier like I'm here. That's next week. When season three a family ghosts continues? You're listening to wwl t own homemade radio. Hey there this is Christoph- puzzle host of American Jihadi a new podcast from endeavor audio American Jihadi follows my reporting on Omar Hamami an American from Alabama. 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"The show we at nine eastern on m._s._n._b._c. rachel has the night off but she will be back next week. Now as we head into this holiday weekend all eyes are on hurricane doreen which is beating a path toward florida and gaining strength as it goes. The warm waters of the atlantic are cranking up the storm. Now now in the last half hour doreen was upgraded to a category four hurricane that means it is sustained winds of over one hundred thirty miles an hour. The latest models else have dorian making landfall late monday night or early tuesday morning but where it hits and how much destruction it causes are open questions for now the entire east coast of florida. All the way up to georgia are in the danger zone joining us now with the latest forecast is n._b._c. News meteorologist bill cairns bill. Thank you so much for being here tonight. What is the latest so much is changing so quickly so we knew this storm would become this category for who knows maybe even a category five in the days ahead beast. The big question was where is it going to go and there's big changes with that that i'm going to get to in a second but i gotta show you just how impressive the storm is right now zoomed in close. These are one minute images is from a satellite. We've compiled them together three hour loop. You could see it clears out the i very symmetrical. This is about as powerful as the storm that you'll see on satellite image. You just incredible incredible but it's still three days away from land so that's where we want. These powerful storms like this not like last year with the michael intensified this beast right before it went on shore so as long as we still have this wiggle wiggle room. I'm okay with it being this intense right now and as we mentioned hundred thirty mile per hour winds is still six hundred miles away from south florida so let's get into the good stuff now. Let's to get into the positive stuff. This is our latest upgrade updated computer models. He's committed about every six hours or so and all of a sudden these squiggly lines which yesterday were going straight straight through central florida all of a sudden we have about one two three four of these which never make landfall and the hurricane center saw this trend with the european model earlier in our american model closer toward the coast the storm taking its turn further out to sea so right now. The cone of uncertainty still goes ios in charleston south of miami include all areas over towards tallahassee but this trend is our friend. We want this offshore. I don't care if we have a cat five. That's off the coast and doesn't hit any land areas now for our friends in the northern bahamas. Unfortunately all these lines are dangerously close to you. You're going to get a direct hit from a powerful hurricane. We know that they're already getting outta there prepared for that but we'd like to avoid that for our frontier in areas from avar county all the way up to code and i mentioned bavard county because just in case it doesn't make that turn they've already issued the first mandatory evacuation starting sunday morning for the barrier islands. The mobile homes manufactured homes low-lying areas serious the places. You'd expect to evacuate i so we still have to prepare in case. This is a category four as it moves onshore but we're still at least a glimmer. I hope we can avoid this multibillion dollar weather disaster if we can keep it off the coast. Here's our american model our latest one this afternoon. It does bring it right along. The space goes does the kennedy space center right. Here's the melbourne area. It does bring it onshore but look how late this timing is. Now we keep delaying this thing and that's actually good though further we delay it the better chance it has going off the coast. I mean this is two a._m. Wednesday now i mean we now we're looking at saturday. All clear prep day sunday all clear prep day whether probably going downhill at the end of monday. Maybe tuesday hurricane conditions on the coast. I mean we keep delaying this more and more that gives us more time and then hopefully you can change the only thing that's kind of not the good news for friends in savannah charleston all the way up here to myrtle beach wilmington area the outer banks. This is the region now that still could deal with a pretty powerful awful. Storm won't be a cat for but we're still gonna be hurricane could be a category one or category two and we've to watch you know this is wednesday thursday into next week so joy you get the the idea here we are. We're going to respect this thing the unpredictability of the path. It's a huge storm right now. The category four could go to five or three the next couple of days. We're going to have to wait and see where that turn goes and this is the cone of uncertainty and if you're in that cone you prepare for it as it's coming to you and if i could ask you the squiggly lines before with all the different colors the european model that showed all the places that it can go. Is there a way to know which one is more likely. Can you explain the color coding yeah. Let me get back to that so that's that's the european model by the way which was the first one to stall at. I can kinda reverse through the maps here the lines that we watch here with all of the squiggly squiggly lines we have a lot of different weather computers that come up with these forecasts and what they do is the little different permutations you know. There are different agencies that do some some of them. Kirk gain warf is one of the ones that's the hurricane center they have this special model just for them and they do it a low resolution just on a specific area and so a lot of these different lines they do have grades on them to show you which ones are more accurate than others and some of the ones that really look at the most hurricane warf this yellow line. That's a very popular one one and that run right now still does bring it on shore the american model which is called <hes> a._p._n. Right here that's right along the coast but doesn't make landfall the canadian in model. They have a model to the yuki. Japan has won the case. A lot of people have these models and they take all the same data and they just have little different permutations with the physics that go into the models and that's why they spit out little differences so what we really look for joy. I try not to look specifically at this. What we look for is the trend in all of these and the train yesterday was south. People in miami were starting to get really worried and heading through central florida and now the trend is slower stall all it out and then make that big bend and if it can bend out to see it would really save so many people play my last question would be what what what does it depend john. Is that the warmth of the water. You know what actually could cause it to either hit or maybe off. If you pay attention in the summertime you may have heard something called the bermuda high. It's an area of high pressure in the summertime that sets up kind of over the top bermuda and it can provide the heat waves that happened on the east coast where there's a high pressure system. That's there and that's puts actually steering the storm so over this map here so bermuda's roy located right hand is here and the flow around that is going like this and so that's why the storm can't just hook and go up to the up to the north right now that high pressure kind of over here is what steering the storm if that weakens which now it looks like it's going to time we get to tuesday and wednesday it stops pushing the storm towards florida because that high pressure doesn't have the strength to push it anymore and that's twice going to slow down and could devastate the northern bahamas. That's what we're afraid of yesterday in florida so we'll have to see how far west it gets. We still have two days to go that high. Pressure system trend stronger. It's back into florida trends weaker then maybe we can just hook this thing headed to the north and out to sea so that's the key. Is this area of high pressure or your government. Taxes are paying for an aircraft to fly up in the atmosphere out here over the open atlantic. They take measurements then go into all of our computers to to try to give you the most accurate information we can't measure or joy every inch of the atmosphere it just don't have the technology to do that but when we get these information from the aircraft flying out here it goes into the models it gives us a more accurate forecast and your government taxes are doing that for you right now. Bill karen then we learned something tonight as well. Thank you very much. I really appreciate that. Thank you for explaining that are n._b._c. A._b._c. meteorologist thank you all right. The south florida unfortunately has quite a labor day hurricane history in two thousand sixteen it was hurricane her miami tearing through the sunshine and shine state over labor day weekend labor day twenty ten it was hurricane earl barreling up the coast in a way. It was gustav labor day weekend two thousand four. They got a storm. The size size of texas hurricane francis in eighty-five hurricane elena and in seventy nine hurricane david ripped through florida with wins they appeal the metal roof roof off of a building happy labor day but the worst labor day hurricane to hit florida happened before they gave storms human names back in one thousand nine thirty five when what became became known as the great labor day hurricane decimated the florida keys it was so powerful it derailed trains and wound up as the eighth deadliest hurricane in in continental u._s. History the sun-sentinel in south florida did the math at least seven hurricanes have hit florida over labor day weekend and it looks like the state might i have to add one more to the tallis heard hurricane. Dorian is on track to hit florida this labor day. Dorian is slowly churning through the atlantic where warm waters are turbo coaching the storm as we have been reporting just in the last hour it was upgraded to a category four meaning. It has sustained winds of over one hundred and thirty miles an hour. You're doreen is expected to make landfall late monday or early tuesday. The precise path of the storm has been hard to predict but the latest models have shifting slightly to the northeast the east as you just heard from bill karen's the national hurricane center predicts quote life threatening storm surges and devastating hurricane force winds the unpredictability means. It's still not clear where and when folks have to evacuate in miami where they are in the midst of what's called a king tied low-lying areas of already starting to flood and if that doesn't have you sitting up paying attention how about this this is footage of dory in from space all those glowing purple lights that is pockets of lightning inside aside the hurricane has rachel likes to say buckle up joining us now is keith james. He's the mayor of west palm beach florida mayor james. Thank you very much. I know you get very very busy easy for you tonight. So thank you for taking a little bit of time to be with us here tonight. George thank you for having me absolutely so we just heard bill cairns talk about the the unpredictability of this storm. There's still a possibility according to all squiggly lines. He showed us that west palm beach palm beach area could be hit since they're now are a couple of extra prep days. This thing could hit about two a._m. Wednesday morning as bill was just saying what are you guys taking advantage of that extra time to do to prepare the city any well what we're continuing to do is preach from the pulpit of preparedness and by that i mean we're continuing to get the message out to our residents <hes> that they need to prepare for this as a significant weather event they need to stock up on the essentials water food medicines gasoline and if we have a couple of extra days to to do that stocking up that's all the better we are preparing for the worst and in hoping for the best so i lived through a few hurricanes and living in florida for fourteen years and i remember going to which was also a category for it's pretty frightening <hes> for those who have not lived through it. It's pretty scary. How are the stores handling. I remember one of the things that happened was when we went out to try to stock up as you just said soares anti out really quickly all the water's gone. The bread is gone. The basics are gone. Our store is going to have time to get trucks into put fresh food and water etc in before before tuesday. We are very optimistic that that will be the case. <hes> the stores have already started emptying out. You know the one thing about a hurricane is generally before the hurricane mccain. It's nice weather so if we get a couple more days of nice weather that should enable the the major stores to stock up and again what i don't don't want to happen though is for residents get complacent as they all know. It's never going to happen. This is a major weather event residents. Please take it seriously and the other issue that i can recall just from being down there with gas lines people not being able to get gas for the car because if there is a major evacuation is it better for people to go ahead and stock up on gas stock up on extra gasoline or do you worry about long lines and thick lines of cars and people we'll try and get on the road as the storm is coming in well. We don't know what the evacuation plans are yet. Palm beach county will be handling that and we will abide by those does the county handles it because evacuation routes are outside of our city limits. The gas lines of already started. That's one advantage of having more time is that people will have an opportunity tune awfully to find the station and listened gas supplies are getting low as well but on i'm proud and happy to say that our governor has authorized the gas astros escorted by the florida highway patrol so they will be hustling into the various stations as well to deliver to restock one of the things that <hes> you know i hear a lot of sort of commentary on from folks who worry about the state of of immigration in this country is that people who are undocumented are sometimes afraid to flee. They're afraid to evacuate. They're afraid to participate in what could be life saving measures because of their immigration status as mayor west palm beach. Can you please advise what what is do people who are undocumented and their families have anything to fear if they evacuate and would they be able to take advantage of the services that citizens are able to take advantage any child in the event that the storm as bad as it could be absolutely. They are encouraging them to take advantage of shelters. If you don't have homes review evacuation zone absolutely not we're not gonna discriminate because someone is an immigrant at this point in time our highest priority is to save lives and and we don't care what color what country of origin those lives affront from as the mayor of the city on concerned that every citizen every resident of my city city is safe insecure after the storm. Thank you very much surfacing that keith james the mayor of west palm beach florida. Thank you so much joy personal privilege there. If i may may yes sir i know my mother's watching and i apologize for being an informant outfit but i've been working in the you'll see all day so mom. I'm sorry i should have been in suit and tie and then she's a big fan of yours was joy. How well thank you very much. Tell her thank you. I hope you guys absolutely stay safe and you're right. My godmother would get on me if i wasn't dressed up for t._v. But i'm sure your mom will understand you working hard sir. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you all right. We're going to be keeping an eye on hurricane doreen tonight and all weekend long and into next week to we also have a lot of political olitical news to bring you tonight. A lot of stories ahead now with the hurricane bearing down. Donald trump cancelled his trip to poland saying that he's doing so to monitor the storm and because he pulled the plug on that trip the president is also conveniently enough skipping meeting with another world leader that is raising eyebrows. We're going to have more on that later. In the show now rather rather than flying to europe trump took off for camp david where he will be on storm watch but not before bragging about how totally prepared they were for hurricane doreen to hit puerto rico and how he is not at all concerned about whether his private club mar-a-lago which is in the path of the storm will get molly waft the rest of the state and we also have news tonight about a story that this show has been following all week the story of the trump administration suddenly telling immigrants who need lifesaving medical care that they can no longer have a medical deferment from being deported telling they have thirty three days to get out of the country that store has continued to develop and we're going to get the latest from a member of congress who's been advocating advocating for a constituent of his on this issue. We're going to take a look at the surprise horse race news of the week and why senate republican mitch mcconnell seems a little bit antsy z. about his majority. All of that and more is ahead on the show tonight so please stay with us hi. It's katie deter want to keep up with m._s._n._b._c. While you're on the go subscribe to the m._s._n._b._c. daily newsletter. You'll get the best of what you've missed. During this unprecedented era of news news text m._s._n._b._c. to six eight six six to subscribe so we continue to keep an eye on hurricane doreen which has just been upgraded upgraded to a category four storm as it heads towards florida and that's already had one consequence in washington d._c. The house judiciary committee has cancelled its plans to come back early from the summer recess to work on a package of gun control legislation a plan announced earlier in the month in the wake of mass shootings in el paso texas in dayton ohio the committee will now have to squeeze in any new gun legislation along everything else that they have on their plate when the full house returned september ninth and this because of course the same committee that's been asking for documents and testimony in an ongoing inquiry into whether to recommend impeaching the president and since they left for summer break take the list of things they may need to consider just been getting longer and longer. I mean consider for a moment the week that donald trump has had just this past week. It started auto erotic largely incoherent performance at the g seven conference in france. There was the moment when trump was asked if he if he attended the meeting at the g. seven it was about climate change. He responded by saying it hasn't happened yet and it was going to be next it in fact had just happened and he wasn't there. Then the white house press secretary soot out a formal statement explaining that the reason trump had not gone to the climate session was because instead he was having bilateral meetings with the leaders of india and germany well. Here's a picture of a client meeting. There's the leader of germany. There is the leader of india. There is trump's empty chair. Trump did not skip the climate meeting so that that he could meet with them. They the meeting and he wasn't there then there. Was this worrying exchange. It sure thank you have second thoughts convert. Everything sure i have second thoughts about everything trump's top economic advisers to go on t._v. Almost immediately to say the president hadn't heard the question or or actually had the opposite of what you actually heard also there was this johnny col- lists trae people breath and say let's get back to the table food for about calling referred to win the next round of negotiations <music> very very very good for okay so this is where the deep voice narrator comes in and says in fact there were no calls from c._n._n. Today aides privately conceded the phone calls. Trump described didn't happen the way he said they did. Instead to officials said trump was eager to project <unk> optimism that might boost markets and conflicted comments from china's vice premier with direct communication from the chinese which honestly if the president in the united states lied about phone calls with china in order to boost the market. That seems pretty bad but it's probably better than him. Just making phone calls or maybe having said calls take place only in his mind. I don't know pick your poison. Speaking of white house aides cleaning up weird pronouncements and lies from the president. Here was one headline this week. The white house clarifies that melania trump has not met kim jong good so trump has volunteered to reporters apropos of nothing quote. The first lady has gotten to know kim jong. John and i think she would agree with me. He's a man with a country that has tremendous potential quotas trump mentioned his wife. A camera cut to milan in the audience who cut her head slightly. They look somewhat quizzically. At the president several hours later as the president and first lady flew back to washington the white house press secretary issued a statement quote while the first lady hasn't met kim jong. The president feels like she's gotten to know him. Okay and of course trump wrapped up the g seven by using his presidential initial podiums do a giant infomercial for one of his golf clubs and why it would be the perfect place to hold the next g seven what she wants to turn back into the g. eight by inviting vladimir putin arou- we have a series of magnificent buildings. We call them bungalows. They each hold all from fifty to seventy very luxurious rooms with magnificent. Is we have incredible. Conference rooms incredible restaurants. It's like it's like such a natural natural and we have many hundreds of acres so that in terms of parking in terms of all of the things that you need the ballrooms are among the biggest in florida the best the biggest ballrooms in florida. Could you not host the next gathering of world leaders there. I mean you know near the airport. There are things we call. Bungalows putting would be so comfortable there unless you think that was just a wildly inappropriate sales pitch or an off the cuff trump thought the white house twitter feed captioned those comments as as an official announcement quote president trump shares the location of the next seven summit hosted by the united states which would be fantastic unconstitutional if the president were to force foreign leaders to put money directly into his pocket by making them stay at his own hotel the rest of the week brought news that donald trump has ordered his subordinates to begin seizing private land and even break the laws they have to in order to get his border wall bill and that he will pardon them afterwards towards if they get into trouble and the news that his administration is ordering the deportation of six sick children receiving lifesaving medical care in the united states and we will have more on that later in the show today trump issued this strange and confounding tweet that appears to contain u._s. Government satellite image of a damaged ronnie indian rocket launch site. There's been no explanation from the white house but experts tell n._b._c. News it is likely it classified image. N._b._c.'s andrew mitchell reported today quote legally. The president has the authority to declassify what he wants but that does not answer the question of why he did in whether it is wise outside. Experts are dumbfounded as reports evening where the photo came from trump said quote. You'll have to figure that one out yourself okay. Now i know every week is clown carful of crazy these days and it's easy ford all kind of start feeling like background noise mealy really unsettling background noise but if if democrats on the house judiciary committee have said that some of the things that trump has done just this past week like his move to hold the next g seven is golf club and his offer of pardons hardens to administration officials who break the law to build his border wall that some of those things ought to be part of their investigation into whether to recommend impeachment the number of house democrats in favor of an impeachment impeachment inquiry keep steadily rising it is now one hundred thirty four lawmakers well over half of the democratic caucus and consider this latest headline from the great dahlia lipoic legal legal correspondent. It's slate. Let's compare donald trump's week. She writes to the impeachment articles against richard nixon clinton and johnson quote quote. If one were to consider the articles of impeachment against the three sitting presidents who store we faced impeachment proceedings not only as trump clearly achieved all of them he actually now achieves leaves most of them in under a week so here's the question if the house judiciary committee has to investigate all the president's potentially impeachable offenses before it can recommend impeachment in the president keeps committing new potentially impeachable offenses every week. How does this investigation ever end joining us now. How is a member of the house judiciary committee congressman. David selene a rhode island great to have you with us tonight sir. Thanks for having me so we're at one hundred and thirty four house house democrats now favoring a pizza. That's well over half of the caucus does that now reach the threshold where leadership agrees with those of you who want to proceed toward an impeachment a formal impeachment. Does that mean that house leadership is now onboard. Well obviously increasing number number of the members of the democratic caucus have come out in support of the judiciary committee proceedings. The chairman has made it very clear in the last pleading that was filed in court that we are in the midst of a preceding as to whether or not we will recommend to the full house articles of impeachment against the president so we're in the midst of this it will require us to continue to bring witnesses before the committee to seek the production of documents so that we will be able to make a recommendation to the full house the chairman said by the end of this is year as you point out every week or every day it feels as if there are additional things that require examination those will be added to the judiciary agenda and we'll look at those things but there will come a point. I presume that we will have enough to make a determination as to whether or not articles of impeachment should be certainly the president should benefit by continuing attenuating to commit impeachable offenses and preventing us from ever taking action so i think there will come a point when the judiciary committee will make a judgment based on the evidence presented to the committee and the witnesses we've heard from in the documents we reviewed as to whether or not we recommend to the full house articles of impeachment against the president does does do those who now support proceeding toward impeachment include the speaker well. I would never presume to speak for the speaker. I think she's made it very clear that she believes the president. President must be held accountable that no one is above the law and that we should continue the robust oversight of the committee and that's what the judiciary committee is doing obviously the speaker will weigh in was to whether or not we ultimately take up articles of impeachment before the committee on the floor but our work remains. We need to continue to bring witnesses before the committee litigation because the president is it has directed witnesses not to come to not produce documents so we are litigating these things to be sure we get the evidence we need to make informed judgments but let's talk about some of the potential articles article for the potential things that you will investigate we now have donald trump pushing to use his private club as a hosting site for the g. seven which by the way would put global leaders. There's in florida at the height of hurricane season which doesn't sound quite safe. An or wise is that one of the things that you believe should be investigated as a potential article article of impeachment pas issue. Yeah i mean this is one more way that this president is attempting to enrich himself his family in his real estate empire by using the office of the presidency. This is a terrible abuse of power. It's abusive of his office. It's a ah seeking gain from being president of the united states which we've never seen this before. This is a president who sees this as a money making enterprise as do members of his family alley. That's not what the presidency is four and to require foreign leaders to participate in this summit only by paying down trump and his his organization would be completely inappropriate britt likely illegal and certainly violation of the emoluments clause so that will be added to the list. I'm sure of the ways that this administration and this president has enriched himself that the juche committee meanwhile review. We want to be sure that the president is there. Any elected official is acting. They're acting in the best interest of the american people not because there's some financial gain that they're getting the company their families getting it violates a number of conflict of interest prohibitions. It certainly violates the minus clause in the constitution but this is just one more example of the president who's using this office as a money making enterprise yeah indeed we didn't even get to the attorney general paying him to throw his holiday party there but we can talk in another time absolutely congressman david silly member of the house judiciary committee. Thank you so much for your time really appreciate it. I pleasure thank you up next right here tonight. A member of congress who's fighting into keep one of the young people in america who the trump administration wants to kick out even though it will likely mean that she will die that is next stay with us. It has been yet another week of horror and confusion in this country this time for immigrant kids with cancer kids with cystic dick fibrosis kids with genetic diseases kids with heart transplant a week ago. The trump administration announced that immigrants living in this country under an exception to receive medical care would now have that status taken away under this new policy. All those immigrants with medical deferments were told to ditch their doctors ditch there medicine all the things keeping them alive and leave the country within thirty three days or be deported when this policy. I made the news this week. The administration said the medical firmin's would not actually be ending. They just be handled by an entirely different part of the government by ice which apparently was news to ice according to multiple reports no one the trump administration told is that it was now their responsibility to keep these kids alive and today we got even more clarity on what is intends to do with this mystifying mystifying new policy spokesperson for is told w._v._u. Our radio in boston quote ice does not exercise discretion on a categorical basis to exempt entire hire groups of aliens from the immigration laws enacted by congress in other words. No ice will not be taking applications for medical deferrals. That program looking for sick immigrants in this country is over full stop today. The slow trickle of outrage over this story turned into a flood one hundred twenty seven members of congress have signed this letter to the trump administration today demanding an explanation next week on friday the house oversight committee will hold hearings on this they are calling on the acting director of ice and the acting director of citizenship and immigration services the agency that i sent the families a letter telling them they had to leave after a week in which families families have that have struggled for information answers or hope at least now the prospect of seeing lawmakers put their questions directly to the trump administration and joining us now. It's congressman mark. This only a democrat from california and carson. Dasani is on the house oversight committee which is overseeing those hearings next week. He's also east about wessels. Congressman eastbound is the young woman rachel profiled on the show last night who under this new policy will be deported and therefore lose access to her lifesaving medical treatments as a result of this this new policy and kirkman. Thank you so much for your time tonight. My pleasure does congress in addition to holding hearings. I think is important. Does congress have the power or to stop the trump administration from removing these these these these immigrants who need medical care in the united states well. I have a question of where they got. The authority where the president got the authority to do this anyway so we're trying to identify that law a obviously as usual. The administration is not being helpful. We didn't find out about this these myself myself until my constituent nam came in to show me the letter that they had gotten a week before and isabel obviously your constituent what can be done. What is your office trying due to help her specifically well. We're trying to do everything <hes> lots of media trying to make people aware of the injustice of her situation. She came to this country at invitation of the federal government the f._d._a. To be in a treatment for her rare disease <hes> and she she came when she was seven. She's now twenty four. Her participation has helped not just yourself but many other people with her disease. She can't get the treatment. If she's forced to go back guatemala. The letter said they would be forced to go back back to guatemala by september fourteenth so we're running against that time and trying to get information from these departments has been very frustrating to say the least if someone dies is as a result of this policy what will congress well isabelle's doctor who is a very well nationally respected a doctorate u._c._s._f. Here in the bay area has written a letter that said she will die <hes> that she's he said more diplomatically that her life will be short because she won't be able to get the treatment that she gets for one day every week so this is intense treatment <hes> so it's really just a horrible situation. We have sent letters. <hes> senator harris has joined a letter with me. <hes> we've been on that as a co author on the letter you referred to we are introducing a bill on monday specifically for her <hes> but mostly we're trying to get attention to somebody in leadership in the white house to realize what they're doing their sentencing this young woman who's been here illegally <hes> and was invited invited by the federal government. There's sentencing to death and getting someone in the white house realize what they're doing. One presumes they know what they're doing right and if one presumes that because their cruelty he has been pretty open. If you have agencies like ice that are perpetrating this cruelty on people we just learned that very committee staffers were prohibited from going in and performing oversight over facilities that the department of homeland security is operating holding migrants. There was a story apparently that came out of some of these facilities that one detainee told was leads at a border patrol agent told a child who had spilled soup that the child would not receive more food unless the child drank the spilled soup off the floor. This is in dehumanizing and despicable. It was in another country. We'd be calling for the u._n. To go in should congress keep funding ice and d._h._s. This is the way they're behaving toward human beings towards children why not just cut the funding yeah well. That's what we tried to in the supplemental bill. Many of us put more restrictions on that four point six billion we sent <hes> because we were concerned about how they were going to spend the money and of course we got a battle with the senate and some of us in the caucus <hes> over that so we have to try to hold them accountable. I'm of the opinion that until a federal judge holes secretary in contempt of of federal court and put them in jail. Nothing's going to happen. We have a sociopath in the white house and he acts like a mobster mobster rather than the president carson marked asani a democrat from california on the house oversight committee on thank you very much for being here. We will definitely keep an eye on what you all are doing and we hope that you'll also keep surprised as this story develops. Thank you very much absolutely thank you. Thank you sir all right still ahead a story. That rachel wanted to get to last night but didn't have time for it that is next while everything else was going on in the news. Donald trump cancelled a trip that he was supposed to leave for this weekend to poland. The president said that he isn't going because of the hurricane that is bearing down on the east coast of florida one of the consequences of trump cancelling this trip is not not just that trump won't be in poland meeting with the president of poland but he also said to me on this trip with the president of ukraine that was the plan but now that meeting is cancelled too two and that may be just the way it goes hurricane shows up when you call if you're meeting with the president of poland in the president of ukraine or might be more consequential than that ukraine ukraine of course is the country that russia invaded in two thousand fourteen and from which russia seized the part of ukraine that is crimea. It was the first time since world war two that at the borders of a country in europe were changed by outside military force in response to russia invading and seizing crimea and waging a low grade war in eastern eastern ukraine ever since western nations led by the united states took steps to punish russia there were strict new sanctions against the against the russian oil and gas industry for example. It really hurt the country's fragile economy the g eight countries decided they would become the g seven instead kicking russia and putin out the u._s. Congress passed military aid package for ukraine to help them resist russian military aggression. All of that happened after russia invaded ukraine in in two thousand fourteen under president obama and then over the last few days. We've seen the current president donald trump repeatedly and insistently argue that russia should be eh back in to the g seven even though the reason they were kicked out was ukraine and what russia's doing to ukraine hasn't changed at all and politico dot com reported. Where did this week that trump has also blocked the delivery of military aid to ukraine that military aid that was passed into law by congress is the very same military aid for for ukraine. There was supposed to help quote keep rush at bay and yet donald trump has reportedly been slow walking in all year and now if he keeps blocking the ukraine aid through the end of next month through the end of september the money will disappear for the year and you know would love that russia. Maybe it's all completely coincidental. I mean there really is a monster storm coming but it is all happening at once and it all has consequences just happened to be very good for vladimir. Putin wouldn't who donald trump just keeps pleasing and appeasing for whatever reason we'll be right back a weird thing <unk> happened last week when mitch mcconnell who styles himself as the grim reaper of the congress put up a bit in which he the senate majority leader was suddenly defending the filibuster because quote america needs the senate to be the senate recognize he wrote. It may seem odd that a senate majority leader opposes a proposal to increase power certainly curious that liberals confusing this moment when americans have you elected republican majorities three consecutive times accounting to attack the minorities powers now of course our last memory of mitch mcconnell using the filibuster the busters from when he was minority leader and he used it against president obama more than anyone had used since the nineteen sixties when the utilize were right wing segregationist southern democrats and the target was civil rights legislation. It seems like it could be that. The republican party's lead attack dog and congress is starting to worry about maintaining the senate majority and he might even preparing his team to operate from the minority again just this week we saw thing that could make that possibility more likely there was already ascendancy up in georgia with first term republican incumbent david purdue up for reelection in two thousand twenty then on wednesday all of a sudden boom two seats are open in georgia three term republican senator johnny isakson accent announced he will retire at the end of the year because of health challenges in terms of twenty twenty this means that his seat will be up at a special election next november meaning georgia. We'll have to senate races on the ballot so now with the combination of republicans weirdly seeming to retire all over the place and mitch mcconnell's uncharacteristic lack of overconfidence. It's looking like like maybe democrats really do of a shot at flipping the senate in two thousand twenty democrats obviously have to defend their sheriff seats to perhaps especially the one they now hold in alabama. Thanks to the defeat of roy moore you remember him but having both of those senate races up in the state of georgia which give democrats to bite at that apple or just probably a better analogy. It's pretty big deal. Democrats only need to net four seats to flip the senate. Georgia already trending blue could be a game changer join us now political analysts and he'll t._v. Host jamal simmons jamal all worked for president bill clinton and was an advisor to president barack obama's two thousand eight campaign jamal. Thanks for being here tonight. You know if you think about george having having worked with a certain senator max cleland how yeah how likely is it that democrats can pick up one or even two seats when both are up i mean everybody needs to sober up just a little bit still. This is still georgia. Georgia is now a tipping point. I mean you saw this stacey. Abrams raise where where i mean frankly i think she won that race. I think she won that race but the current governor probably did a few things that kept him in the longer and he should have been. It's going to be a tough race as but democrats win and having the second seat may help. Here's why i was talking to a couple of friends down there today. One of the things that could happen is you could end up there. No african americans running forgave it producing but you may have a couple of african americans who get into the jani isaac and if that happens then you have an african american on the ballot in november of two thousand twenty while the presidential race is going on and you might have a surge in turn out that could bring one of those senators over the finish line and let's be clear that one of those african workers will not not me stacey abrams. She's made. She has made that very clear that she's not going to do it but there's some other names that are out there. People like michael thurmond who's been longtime state wide selected in the in the state. There are few people who are out there rafael more not coup as a pastor and ebeneezer baptist church. Sorry my earpiece coming out but rafael. We're not going to get in so there are a few people who might do it and look big picture because let's say democrats even one of the two they need net for. Let's say alabama is a tough race to win a second time because trump probably gonna clear that state by twelve points or so but you've got besides georgia you've got north carolina which democrats have managed to win statewide and the governor's race arizona which they've managed to win statewide the other the senate seat. There's the martha mcsally lost last time is up. You've got taxes. Were bad or work came within three point. You've got colorado which looks republican looks doomed main with a republican looks doomed how how are democrats looking in terms of being able to get that net four or even just get tied senate and if they win the white house they get the v._p. To break the tie well if you think back this is this is the senate election that has all those seats from twenty fourteen when the republicans did so well when they were running. Barack obama was president so all those republican senators unders are now up this year and so what you really may have is something that people didn't expect which is that the democrats may be able to take an winston it we shall see certainly is a motivator for a lot of democratic voters because they have been talking sending a lot. Jamal simmons political analyst hilty behoves man. Thank you very much really appreciate you joining us tonight those around me. How can we can thank you very much to all right up next the next bit that might give us some indication of what will happen on election day twenty twenty and it has nothing to do with the next debate. Stay with us. The there is a one more race that you should keep an eye on if you're looking for early hints at which way the political headwinds or blowing ahead ahead of next year's presidential election north carolina is holding a do over election for the congressional seat in the ninth district. It happens in less than two weeks now. Here's what you need. I don't know about that. Donald trump won this district by nearly twelve points in two thousand sixteen when this seat was up for grabs last year the unofficial result results so that the republican a baptist preacher remarked harris winning by a razor-thin margin of nine hundred five votes but the reason we don't have official results from last year's race and the reason isn't this do over election is even happening is because the state elections board throughout the results from last year after evidence emerged that consultant tied to the republicans campaign allegedly allegedly committed extensive ballot-fraud the republicans consultant was arrested back in february and has been charged with multiple felonies. The republican candidate from last time or kerris decided not to run in the redo. So this time you have the same democrat marine veteran named dan mccready running against a republican state senator named dan bishop so it's the same democrat who barely lost last time almost flipped a congressional seat in a district trump won by double digits. Naturally a lot of democrats crats are hoping that this time hopefully without significant ballot-fraud working against him. 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Episode 7 - Modern Folklore #1

Folklore on the Rocks

1:27:42 hr | 2 years ago

Episode 7 - Modern Folklore #1

"Hello everybody and welcome to folklore on the rocks. I'm Logan Lindsay and welcome to where we are in our modern folklore, aren't we guess house this week? Yeah. Boy, I've been really excited to share this one. It's been really cool to read some of these submissions. And I I love the idea that folklore can still be created. It's something that the more. We learn about other cultures. We get inspired. And it's always think of it like the the tree in The Empire Strikes back. What what are you gonna find in their only what you take with you? And it's the same thing. You know, you walk through the woods or down a dark street at night. And you hear a noise you hear you feel feeling what is it? Well, if you know about vampires, and Ben cheese and Nessie and the Oga pogo, then you don't know what it's going to be. It can be something cool and exotic we are creatures that we take inspiration from these stories. Absolutely. I think that folklore kind of kind of like we talked about the last couple of weeks folk for takes roots in something that happens that's unexplained. And we talk about it, we embellish it. We tell other people, and it kind of snowballs from there bright, and that kind of snowballing aspect of it is what creates the folktales that we have today. And that that same exact thing happens, you know, hundreds of years ago. People are the same way back then as they are today. We always want to tell somebody about what happened to us. We will always want to maybe make it a little seem a little bit more than it was. Yeah. And from there tell you make it a good store or our imaginations filled in the gaps. And from there it plays the telephone game and gets changed morphed over time and becomes these creatures or the stories that we know very well today, and it's kind of cool as hosts to be part of the the retransmission of these stories and through us new new listeners are going to be exposed to them. Maybe they'll tell them to somebody else. So we hope so please. If you get find yourself around a campfire anytime soon, I know we're into October. We're getting out of campfire season. But we're actually out of over now. Oh, really all. But hey Halloween is in our hearts all year. Absolutely. And you can tell you can tell the scary story anytime, you know, you'll is coming up. That's a great time for stories. Yeah. Yeah. So it's fun to be part of this process to take a story and help spread it around. And light of what we want to do is get modern folklore stories. And why that what we mean is no sleeps creepy pastas. Let's not meets for those of you who aren't familiar with these. These are sub Retz where people or at least no sleep is a separate where people go, and they tell a story and whether it's fictional or not that doesn't matter in the group, basically, everything that's posted. There needs to be treated as if it happened, even if it was fiction. And so all the replies will be like, oh my gosh. I can't believe the happen to you. Or let's talk about this specific creature that you mentioned in your story or that kind of thing. And I think that makes it's really really immersive in a very immersive experience, which I love to come from a place of to start with we trust you instead of we. Gary because you're always going to be met with skepticism and any other forum, and so to have a place where these stories can grow when have home, I think is really really interesting, and we few people send us in some stories to have narrate them. And they're fantastic stories. We've really enjoyed them. So we're going to be reading a few stories for each day and talking about them a little bit. And then you can see what you think I mean is this tale that you're going to take in. Von until your kids Intel have their kids 'til their kids. Also, we did want to mention like we talked about a couple of weeks ago. We are now doing a cocktail of the week. Oh, yeah. Yes. It's dove. I mean, we have a friend recalling him. Newbies. Who is guru when it comes to cocktail creation, and he's helping us out with these this dude knows his sto. Yes. He does. So he's fantastic. So today's or this week's cocktail is called new moon. Which I love I think that's really fun because you know, the darkest night can be the night of new moon. Yeah. For this. We have gin, which I know is a very polarizing liquor. It's not for everyone. I've never met someone who is met about Jin either love it or they absolutely despise it for me. Gene, is that friend. I don't introduce to my other friends. It's it's great on its own. And if I start with you I'm gonna stick with Jin, but it doesn't play well with others for me. Anyway, that's understandable, gin and tonics are are my favorite drink by far nothing. I'm a hardcore then. Yeah. So the we use today that we are currently drinking is Hendrix, which is one of my favorites. It's kind of one of the more expensive ones. But I think it tastes. What's got a really? Yeah. So I really enjoyed that. I also really like bomb bay sapphire who doesn't new down. They are all very good gin. We also have triple sec. And then we have some some my mate and some tonic water in there does have a citrus component to it. Evidently with the Lyman the orange. Yeah. But basically, you're just mix all of the ingredients over ice on the rocks. And it's Larry, and you just garnish with and it is lovely. I mean, it tastes like a it reminds me of. Alive like like, an orange grove or something like that not just the fruit. But the plant. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. It has that element to it for sure I've really enjoyed it mines mine's almost gone. So I'm gonna I'm gonna want to refresh mine in a little definitely. So that's our cocktail of the week. We'll post the recipe on our show notes. We will post it. I'm sure on social media as well. You can create the drink. If you want and give listen while you're drinking, it even better just the same frame of mind as we are. Join the party. Right. So let's just launch into our stories. Good. So our first story is by Hannah. John her read at handle is use lash lemon be and her story is called creosote creosote. Oh, good. One Logan is going to tell it to us. All right here goes have you ever smelled rain in the southwest? It's a unique fragrance unlike rain in less aired places it's smoky herbaceous and vaguely chemical but pleasant all the same. The Senate comes from the creosote Bush along live species with a curious nature. It's so officiant taking in water that each plant has a ring of dead earth surrounding it since no other plants can compete for resources, the older plants can withstand droughts, very well. Having adapted to the harshness of the desert. You can see them spaced out neatly everywhere. You look in the Mojave. They serve a shelter for small creatures who feed on their fallen leaves and tunnel around and their deep roots. The oldest ring of creosote have been around for eleven thousand seven hundred years when my college was first getting started the owners bought several acres of untouched land right up against the mountains. Southeast of my hometown. The school is still young. And when I went there, we only had two buildings with the mountain on one side and the desert on the other sometimes you'd see desert life, which was a treat for the city kids who never knew something wild could live out there on its own. I got used to seeing the families of quail crossing the single road and orderly lines, which bore a striking resemblance to the trail of students trudging through the snow from one building to the other during my evening and night classes at even see a flash of something out there in the bushes. I used to think it was a Jack rabbit, but now I know better the last semester of my senior year was hell, I was only taking three classes, but they were the hardest and most time intensive and I kick myself for putting them off for so long. One of them was biology, which I hadn't been able to fit into my schedule during any prior semester. It was a three hour long night class held in the liberal arts and sciences building or L A S which was closest to the mountain. It ended about ten pm. Although the professor often ran out of teary early and let us leave around nine thirty. He suggested we use the buddy system in walking back out to our cars. But since some of us had arrived on campus hours earlier in park farther away. This didn't always happen. This was one such night for me, we only had a couple of real parking. Passes for twenty five hundred students. So if you didn't get there early in the day you had to park in the middle of the desert class ran unusually late that night, and my car was the only one left that far out as begin my solitary walk through the dirt. I began to feel uneasy. This wasn't abnormal. I hangs -iety about walking alone at night. And there are rumors about colonies of people taking shelter in the nearby wash. Some students claim to have found evidence of them like the remains of scattered fires and dirty closing one guy even said he saw one down there. Once a man in a blue t shirt, and jeans, though, no one really believed in the desert is just as unforgiving the humans at night as it is during the day, and we were far enough away from civilization walking all the way out there from the city would be madness. So I knew I probably wouldn't run into someone out there. But the thought was still enough to make me reach for my keys and carefully arranged them between my knuckles. I breathe deeply the rain smell of the creosote. Comforting in familiar and relaxed a little it grew stronger. The closer got to the mountain. I saw the silhouette of a man in the distance. But it was gone when I got closer. I tighten my grip on my keys anyway, as I drew closer to my car, I realized something strange creosote s- don't grow on that side of the campus. After that, I made a point of parking right near the doors of the building. I began to feel a deep irrational fear that something was waiting out there in the dirt. I knew it was silly. But such fierce don't need to be rational to take hold over the next few weeks. However, nothing happened. No, weird silhouettes, and no weird, smells, I brushed off my paranoia and chalked it up to midterm induced stress in the last month of the semester the campus was packed. With people cramming in the library all day in meeting for study groups when I arrived for my last two classes, both parking lots were full I decided to take a chance on the desert again and plan to ask someone to walk out with me after class as I walked into the building. I caught the smell of creosote s- just outside the door. I was relieved to see several of them growing close by. But I wondered why I didn't notice the scent before I hope my class would take my mind off things, and it did calculus was always my worst subject and I struggled to the period. Like usually did I glanced over to the large window hoping for divine inspiration. And there. There. It was a figure just close enough to make out with it's back to the mountain. It were a ragged blue shirt and dirty jeans. It's posture was bizarre though at first glance, it looked human. It was broken and twisted it shoulders, hunched forward and bent sideways at the waist. It's arms hung boneless from this leaves. And as I stared it tilted its head back and open its mouth. I could hear. It's lunatic cackling in my head and the smell of creosote s- filled. My senses mumbling some excuse. I grabbed my things and ran from the room the college library was in the same building. So I headed straight there being a desert school. It had an impressive amount of information on the southwest folklore and history, I tore through the books searching for anything that could tell me what I kept seeing. But there was nothing. No myths of skin walkers shape, Shifter's in this desert. No other cryptos either. No stories at all. I turned my attention to the creosote Bush and learned the information you read above I think this thing is like that Bush. It is the only creature of its kind in its territory it uses up the resources around it. So nothing else can it can survive without sustenance for a long long time. It is old so old. We forgotten it exists, and it smells like home like the desert when it rains, although I never wanted to set foot in that building. Again, I finished out the semester and did pretty well on my finals all things considered. I smelled that rain smell a couple more times before I left the school for good. But I did my best to ignore it knowing I'd never have to go back again after graduation. Last month. Classes started up again for the fall semester and the school hit a new record for enrolled students two days ago. One of my old classmates shared a post on Facebook about a local girl that went missing it was said she was last seen walking to her car after a night class and the L S building. But my old friend told me privately that his younger sister thought she saw the missing girl standing out in front of the mountain. He dismissed it since no one would be dumb enough to wander out there in the first place, but I shivered that thing has starved for hundreds of years. And now there's a steady booed supply right in the middle of its hunting ground. All right. Well, the one thing I really wanna start with on this one. Oh, this was such a cool story and tastic her the language that she is. This is just so descriptive and. Yeah, very Vakhid. You feel like you are in the desert with her selling these crazy. I it does feel like this is someone who really loves that part of the world and some were from Utah, and we live in kind of a desert world, we've seen creosote we've seen those the long stretches of nothing just growing up near near the desert kind of bio, it does make it feel listening to stories like this one like you're right back there. We've all spent at least loaded I have spent time camping or being around walking around desert. It's one of the cool. Areas. It's mostly the southern part of our state. It's a different world. Really? And it it has this vibe to it. I think that she captured that extremely well. It's the spare nothingness it's a hard hard wilderness, and and there's life. Yes, it's it's a life. That is. Hard one very very, and that's kind of what I feel builds into the creosote as almost as a character in this story. It's a Bush that has developed a way of life that well, it's almost predatory and to expand on that. And to explore it as perhaps something to maybe afraid of these kind of a fun thing. Oh, absolutely. Especially at the beginning of the story when she kind of talks about the creosote being Pleasants. It's a pleasant spell basis and it smells like home. It's something that then it becomes sinister at the end of the story because it relates to this creature. Yeah. I mean for me one of the funny things, and maybe it's just that we're sitting here. Drinking gin for me coming from the Utah mountains, and the Utah desert's we get a lot more juniper than we do create. But Jin has that kind of same feel to it, especially when it rains and everything starts to open up, and you start to really smell and feel the world is alive around you that something very special about the desert, definitely. And for those of you who don't know juniper is one of the main floral elements of gin. Yeah. So what do you think of this this monster this creature? I think that he is creepiest fuck. Yeah. For one. You have the shock of seeing something that you didn't expect to be there. Yeah. That's finding out stuff. It could be the most innocuous thing ever and still scare you. Right. Oh, absolutely. But looking over and seeing this ravenous humanoid yet. This this twisted wrong liangel ding that screams wrong. Every sentence. It's far beyond. I think terror, right? It's I can't imagine. How scary that would be right and the trauma that you have from that just mentally like that would be burned in your brain. Oh, yeah. Wherever yeah. And the one thing I keep thinking also when we started talking about these modern folk folklore stories, we talked about how repetition changes a story and the store gets retold, and it grows, and it changes so say, we were to retell the story possible. Embellishments would we make if any depends on what route we're going if we're going for a movie or television show? Okay. We gotta add more more dramatic elements more moments like when she looked at the window, right? In a movie, I I would love some kind of exploration into what this creature is the I like this would be the beginning right of the movie you would need to build up the tension. And then you know, that this thing is out there, you see it for the first time. What happens next like what happens after? So maybe it would be a continuation of the story of the girl that goes missing at the end. Yeah. Yeah. Right. I think that would be that would make the most sense for it to continue building. Really a great story. This idea of this predatory carnivorous I think of it as a plant monster for me when when I think of the the humanoid form, I think of it like, it's mimicking a person. It's a I think it kind of like it like very much like a scarecrow it's wearing the clothes that they say they saw the the person sleeping in the ditch wearing interesting. I was feeling more of I wanna say like zombie skin Walker. Okay. Okay. So us from the description just the the angles in the arms hanging loosely and kind of bended a weird way. I mean, I think it would be really hard to. Really pin it unless you were the one that saw. Yeah. Yeah. But ver- humanoid, which is the most unnerving part about it. I think yeah. I I keep on getting reminded of something like a like a snapping turtles tongue. It's a stu- soft and wriggling thing that it's supposed to look like something totally harmless and innocuous just out there in the water, and it wants the fish to come and bite it and as soon as the fish comes close enough to eat it the rest of the snapping, turtle springs, demotion and has dinner. And I just think of things like a lot of desert plants are all connected over long, periods and spaces. And so a plant like this that that is so old and of a size that humans are the it's chosen pray. I kind of like that that ambush predator mentality. It's it's trying to find something to to call someone out into the desert. And the act of putting on close to to to hide its true form, or do you think it was humid also a possibility like that those were the clothes that that human hat on? And maybe he was bitten or maybe he became skin Walker or maybe. Yeah. Maybe he saw humans in mimicked them. You know, there's there's a lot of different aspects. There's a story behind those clothes for sure. And that's something that well, it's it's in the the beholder. I guess the storyteller in this case to figure out what that answer is. So those would all be fun things to explore. So I think that the aspects of him or it's I guess. It is twenty eighteen but somebody earlier in the story seen this figure with the blue shirt and the racket genes. Yeah, she sees that exact same thing. And so you would immediately know what you're seeing. Yeah. At the same time that is a little bit of I tell you Lindsay. There's a there's an orange men purple monster that lives in the bushes over there watch out, and then I see purple. The power of suggestion is very strong. Then where's the line of this is what I saw this is what I saw versus this is what I was predisposed to see right? Uh-huh. Because there's there's the echo of it could just be a clue to what you're seeing. Yeah. Or it could be. That's why you see that may. I mean, we've we've been through tough semester. Yeah. We know. What's rough classes can do. But at the same time, you know, that doesn't necessarily discount. Anything of what's true? What's now? Yeah. That's one thing. That was very true to my college experience the rest of the world doesn't care what your class schedule is very serious. All right. Well, cool. Thank you so much for sending that in. That was a really fun story. Should we move onto the next one? I we actually have a promo. Oh, cool or another podcast called stories of your and yours. He's a great storyteller. He takes old tales like PLO or love crafts or Chaucer or roddenbury. Okay. These wonderful creepy beautiful tails, and he narrates them heaters Foley with them. So you have sound effects. He's fantastic. Who and we think that you would really really enjoy his show. So we are going to play his promo here. Do you? Love a good story. If you do check out stories of your and yours, I'm still an innocent each week on stories of your yours. I'm Mary a classic short story, adding music and sound effects to bring those stories new life. Von a good Kipling twain. These are just a few of the authors that we featured so far and the classic sort stories feature original stories from Spiring authors. So if you do love, a good story, give stories of your that's why are e and yours. That's why. Oh, you are S a listen today. And visit the show at S Y y podcast on Facebook and Instagram to say, hi, and let me know what you think. So get that stories of your nor. So I hope you guys check them out. Yeah. Might be right up. Your alley. Our next story is called have you ever heard of the Bennington triangle the ban it by Laura Donnellan? Yeah. And it's a really good story. Actually, this one this one is a lot of fun. Yeah. So Logan is going to go ahead narrate that for us. Now, have you ever heard of the Bennington triangle, it's not that well known outside of those who live in it. I'm one of the unlucky folks who fall into the letter category. Well, sort of I go to college there. It's a region in southwestern Vermont centered around Glastonbury mountain, and including most of Beddington county, I go to Bennington college, most notable for being mentioned in a one off line spoken by Alan Aldo on thirty rock, another boast. We can make is one of the major disappearances in this area. Was Paula Wilton a sophomore from my school? There were five major disappearances which happened between nineteen forty five and nineteen fifty. I'm of the opinion that they started long before that and still have ended. It's not very surprising that heavily wooded mountainous area would have higher than average rates of disappearances, sometimes people walk into the woods. And they just don't come back. That's one of the reasons. I'm scared of forests. I've heard it referred to as the silver dread. And high low phobia, but I personally think of it as simple caution. There are things that want to kill you. And disproportionate amount of those things live in forests of waiting forests is a good way to stay alive. But sometimes you don't have a choice. The first time. I heard about the Bennington triangle. I laughed first of all the Bermuda. Triangle is a myth plain simple. And there was no doubt in my mind that this was to second five disappearances is just a coincidence, not a pattern and certainly not an indication of paranormal activity. But then I heard about the other disappearances as it turns out people have been vanishing in this area. Since before European settlers came the Banacci, the original inhabitants of the Bennington. Triangle believed and some still believe that Glastonbury mountain is home to curse stones which swallow people. Whole to my knowledge, this isn't far from the truth. My roommate my freshman year was a nice girl. Her name is Caroline. And I'd be lying. If I said, I didn't have a tiny crush on her at first she was into all the same idol games as me, and she didn't seem to mind. The fact that my sleep schedule was more befitting of an intoxicated all than a successful college student at that point in my life. I'd never had sex certainly not with another girl. Let alone been in love. So any passing acquaintanceship was closely examined as potential partner in the end. It didn't play out that way, we weren't quite friends, but certainly weren't anything more either. We lived in the same space. And managed the best. We could this year. My second I managed to score a single I also acquired several romantic and sexual partners in the year or so since I had that small crush on. Caroline. I highly doubt that putting the same situation. I would be interested in her again. But she was nice to me. And I think that lingering almost crush is part of why I cared so much when she vanished why dedicated myself to finding her why I climbed Glastonbury mountain on my own the day. She disappeared was like any other. It was colder than you'd expect for early autumn. But that's how life is in Vermont high in the mountains autumn comes fast and hits like a semi truck. When it does one day. The leaves are green and bright within a week. They're Brown and rotting on the ground. This day was somewhere in that inbetween week when the leaves had just started to turn red and gold and the temperatures haven't quite gotten low enough that going outside invites frostbite, according to her friends. Caroline went out for a hike alone wearing her red windbreaker. Now, those of you who know the Bennington triangle will notice that she made two major errors here. First. She went hiking without a companion that is a clear violation of basic forest safety second, she wore a red jacket the significance of the jackets Keller would be loss on the untrained eye. But if you know your stuff, you'd know that this mistake may have cost her her life at least two of the five major disappearances were last seen wearing red outer clothing and some people believed others were as well. In addition to more minor disappearances with the same color scheme. Now, of course, as I said earlier, a coincidence does not make a pattern, but you'd think that red jackets would at least make it easier to find their bodies. No when word spread around campus that Carolina was missing I naturally and enthusiastically joined in the search we walked arm an arm through the woods immediately surrounding the college. But they're small search completely before long. Caroline was nowhere to be found at this point. The college administration was gently advised to step aside and let the proper thority takeover while our show of student. Solidarity was heartwarming and worth a shot. Its value had been spent with hope rapidly dwindling and paranoia setting in rumors spread like wildfire. This is when I started looking into the Bennington triangle in earnest, I'd heard the term, of course, and hurt a vague description of a few disappearances when it affected me personally is when I started to wonder if there really was something strange going on some people on campus. We're saying that Caroline had been eaten by the stones on Glastonbury mountain that we'd never have a chance to find her. So I had to dive deeper before you make any assumptions, I'm in a very happy relationship. I've always been interested in the paranormal and Caroline was a part of my life. Even if she was a relatively minor one. I wanted to do right by her and see if I could solve the mystery of the Bennington triangle in the process, I quickly learned that there was a reason no one had done it yet. Well, there were several one is that most people are like me skeptics if I didn't believe it at first. Why would I expect other people to another reason is that well woods your big an empty looking for clues to a disappearance in the green mountains is like looking for a needle in a haystack? Except in the process, you could yourself get sucked into that haystack and become another needle for someone else to search for and on and on like that it's practically impossible to find a genuine line of information, especially when most of the information, you have is based on unreliable, I witness accounts in here say so I gave up on looking for clues. And I did something stupid. I bought a red jacket on Amazon, and I got ready to climb Glastonbury mountain. I told my girlfriend that I was going out for a walk. It was true technically, I just didn't want her to worry or try to stop me. Because I knew that if she asked me not to go. I wouldn't I felt like I had to go I owed it to Caroline. It's fun. Thinking back. I cared more about lobbies potential feelings of concern than I did about my own safety, which was pretty much at the bottom of my list of worries the leaves were almost completely gone by the time, I set out to solve this mystery once and for all it was colder to the jacket. I ordered was too thin. So I wore it over to other jackets I owned there's a monument in the town of Bennington to the battle of Bennington a relatively minor battle in the American revolution. For some reason. This was considered notable enough to build a three hundred foot tall Odalisque from the view on the mountain. It looks Titanic towering over every building for miles. The first time I saw it a joke to my sister that it looked like something from an HP lovecraft story about a cult taking over a rural town building a monument to their Eldridge overlord. I'm not sure if that's accurate since I never actually read anything by lovecraft. But that's the feeling I got on that misty autumn morning as I clambered up the mountain to find my friend. It looked as though the Oba list was. Even larger than usual. The fog rolling over the valley gave it the appearance of being aspire a massive church towering above the clouds. Something important you need to know about Glastonbury mountain is it it's home to numerous large stone Cairns. I'm not talking about the trail markers. You often see when hiking I'm talking about something more akin to burial Cairns found in Britain denial and I'll call in the British Isles once I'm in the cold hard ground, though on a slightly smaller scale these structures are far too old and large to have been built by hikers. And to high up to be the work of citizens of the now unincorporated Glastonbury township perhaps strangest of all the Abachi have vehemently denied being responsible for their construction and imply the Cairns have been there as long as they're oral history stretches, many, Bennington, triangle experts believe that these may be the man eating stones described in the knock you legends. These ROY I started my search. I systematically examined each one in ascending order of altitude trying to find. Signs of a struggle pieces of Caroline's clothing, anything while carefully looking over the first one I heard a sound that almost made me jump out of my three layers of jackets, and then an acorn landed on my head. I looked up to see a squirrel is wide furry hands. Open around the space where it's acorn had just been. I rubbed my head and moved on it was late afternoon is I travelled between two of the final Cairns empty-handed so far. But then I saw it in the distance as I moved between the trees a splash of red on the ground standing out. Amidst the Browns and grays of fading Vermont summer, Iran, straight for it as I got closer. I could see that it was indeed Caroline's jacket and in it Caroline. She was slumped against the base of a tree. Head lolling to one side, definitely unconscious or worse. Then I saw something else something that made me stop dead. In my tracks. It was much more suited to the color scheme than I was suddenly my choice jacket seemed an unnecessary risk from a distance. I thought it was a shadow, but once I got close enough to make out care line. I could tell that there wasn't anything to be casting it. I'd heard descriptions of something like this in the area. But I believed it was just jackasses trying to capitalize on the mystery. It looked like someone's shadow only it was about a foot taller than an average person. And it was doubled over by the cairn it caressed the rocks slowly almost lovingly long black finger sliding over stone without making a sound. I couldn't move. I was completely exposed but moving towards the nearest tree would likely make enough noise to reveal my presence, at least, that's the logic. I would use to explain my behaviour in hindsight realistically. I was just scared a deer in the headlights the shadow turn towards Caroline. It took a step legs bending at a ninety degree Ang. Eagle with another step. It was on top of her. It reached down and caressed her face the same way to done to the cairn bile rose in my throat, and I could feel warmth spreading down the leg of my pants, the shadow froze hands still on Caroline than it slowly turned its head not moving the rest of its body. I couldn't tell if it had a face not from this distance. But it looked like a solid black mass. But it was looking right at me that much I could tell it cocked its head to one side like a curious dog wondering where it's treat had gone dropping. Caroline it rose to its full height. Then it took a step towards me and Iran. The last thing I remember is the sound of heavy footfalls, suddenly stopping and receding as Caroline screamed far behind me. I woke up in bed on top of my covers for a moment. I thought it had all been dream. But then I looked at myself and saw I was still wearing all three jackets and my urine soaked jeans as I stood to change out of my clothes. I saw that. There was a piece of paper on my desk on the paper was a drawing drawn with what looked like charcoal in the drawing. Uphill of stones seem to glow as a woman submerged up to her waist in the rocks. Struggled to claw her way out screaming and crying. She was being pulled in and I could tell even without the red jacket that the woman was Caroline. Pretty spooky on that. One. Oh, man. I don't even know where to start with this. First of all start with the parallels to the Bermuda. Triangle and other places where it feels the maybe it's laylines may be it's that things just are a little funky in that area, but stories of disappearances. So there are places that stuff goes in doesn't come out all the time or semi about functions. Always in that same spot. Something mysterious happens these areas consistently and well very much like sunny Bermuda. Vermont seems not the kind of place that seems I all spooky and foreboding the great place for a some kind of anomaly that would make people go missing. But yeah, it's certainly after this story, if I ever find myself wandering around through the Vermont woods, I'll be watching out for a little stone Cairns for sure. Definitely I think it was interesting thing here is that she had foreknowledge. Kind of of what was going to happen. Like, she heard about the Bennington triangle and was warned about it. And all these other people had disappeared there. And yeah, I just brushed it off a little and then disappears and she's joins the party and everything's real. I do find I typically enjoy writing for you know, in medieval fantasy worlds mostly because it's very difficult to make an interesting story from character who can easily research, and may already know some of the things they're going up against cell phones and make a little bit more little tricky. But this was a great use of that telling just a small chapter of a much much longer story. There's there's a story that built up to it. That's what pushed this person into may. Making the next chapter is the story is potentially happened multiple times. This is just another chronicle. Another parts. Of detail. Yeah. So what do you think is up with the little stones? I think they're the creature. But I think they're part of this system or or does this monster turn its victims into the stones. I, but it was hinting at another trophy to the pile like predator. What if these Cairns are his people? Yeah. Right. What if the are created and that from that? Right. I mean, there's a lot of different elements that indicate numerous things it could be but Cairns she talks about the ones in Britain Britain, and Ireland's, and I know the Cairns there are very very linked to like the faith folk and the supernatural and burials throughout the world. So they they all have this mystical element that of the unknown. Tone of magic of don't go near there. Because exact something something that you should be left alone. Yeah. Right. And I think the element is here. But I think the thing I enjoyed the most about the Cairns was the fact that no one knew where they came from. Yeah. Like, the native people the the avenue aqui, they they didn't know they did not claim ownership of these whatsoever. And I think that's really interesting that they've been there since time immemorial. Yeah. Right. So there's this extra layer of mysterious with them because how did they appear? Yeah. And then as modern society moves in and cities and towns, go around, even then it seems like they pick up a little bit of that otherworldly quality between the fog, and and the image of that Oba Lisk is really a strong, very striking. Yeah. Lutely, I don't know. What would drive someone to want to build in humble? Around this mysterious area. But it does make far spookier we've had noblest Karen Salt Lake for a number of years. Yeah. And for those who don't know what I don't know you do or not. But basically, it's it's a tall pillar with like a pyramid. Top kinda. Tapers into a point base it. Yeah. I mean if the shape of the Washington Monument. Yeah, that's exactly it. And there have been obelisks all over the world. In many many times, they're they're a great example of a universal monument a monument that really stands out. It's pretty easy to build. It's never been my favorite style of monument only because I come from a family. My dad is apron sculptor, and we do more shape based. So you're very familiar. Nevertheless, ovallis. Pretty cool. I guess kinda spooky narrow way. So carolyn. Caroline goes missing. Yeah. I think with this heal her friends, suddenly disappearing obviously is is the key of what kind of propels the story forward. Right. This person that she knows somewhat while is concerns about the friend that missing. And and I do love that this is written from the perspective of kind of an educated and intuitive person. Absolutely. Yeah. There's there's a certain degree of logic to this character. I mean aside from the lack of logic of go go on your own. Yeah. Red jack. But that's understandable. That's an emotional response to her own curiosity. Yeah. Right. And it also plays into her own skepticism and an expectation like like not expecting that something is really gonna happen to you. Yeah. And also to her logic the red jacket that well that should make her easy to find. If there's if there's trouble. But I think she also knew she was tempting fate. Right. I think that's exactly why she had it. Right. This element of of this girl missing and people searching for her and not finding her and this ominous ominous place that she potentially was lost. I think is is really really central to the story, obviously. Right. And is kind of the motivation for our character to end up meeting this creature. Yeah. Yeah. Good back to the for a second. Actually. Let's talk about how it was love crafty in. Yeah. That's one of my favorite kinds of of spooky horror to flavor to add something I I really love her use of. The Amman Yamin to the Eldridge overlord if anything lovecraft very Eldridge, very deep in ca- phonic, and this this this core terror, but this that lives in all of us. But it also has an element of scale to it. Then. So unknowable by the boredom mind at fully, it is you are such a small and insignificant piece of a much larger story will destroy you. I also kind of liked the note of, but the this person is a is familiar with lovecraft, but hasn't read any lovecraft? Right. And I think that that's most. Yeah, I'll own I have not successfully read any lovecraft attempted and then decided. I'll read the Wikipedia article. Lovecraft is dense. It is read. Yeah. It wasn't an easy read it's difficult and hard to wait through, but very iconic -ly lovecraft like if you can get into it and start to understand his use of language and his imagery. It's epic. Right. But it's really hard to get to that point. But it, but as ideas and has stories are so like universally known. I guess yeah. Oh, yeah. They they have they they permeate our culture now today. Totally. Yeah. Like who doesn't know who his? Yeah. Right. He's out there and all kinds of video games. He's their shapes. And he's even funny. Little dull for us. Right now. I look if. So that's that's fun element. I think of that. And I like it leaves the door open for this is a creature not meant to be understood. This is a creature that. You shouldn't go looking for it. And if you find it, good luck. Yeah. Clearly, let's talk about the creature itself. Shadow creature, this shadowy creature. It's it's not super large. It seems to move on its own. It's it's not. Entity in and of itself, I ended seems to be a solitary creature, but a shadow. Yeah. Which is an interesting element. I think, but I guess it would have to be things are being absorbed into something. That's so solid like moms. Yeah. Right. The fact that it's a theory oil lends itself to being able to move into something concrete and solid like like rock. It makes sense that it doesn't have physical substance. Yeah. Unless at once tech height of makes it a an in-between another world in our world. Right. Yeah. And but it can also pick up poor Caroline and. Yes. And that that is another very interesting aspect that. How can a shadow move something solid. How can it move mass? Right. Which makes me think that it's all other thing, maybe another dimension. There are a number of a monsters in dungeons and dragons that are limited in how much they can be interacted with by things on the material plane, and there's even shadow monsters very much like this his magic should have rules. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And well, your your regular sword not gonna do whole lot against them size right through. And I'd do any damage. So I think the shadow part of it's interesting that kind of leads us to the note. Yeah. The little no somehow she appeared in her bed at home. A that's creepy and be a little even more worrisome because added know where she lived. How did it draw this thing? Yeah. That's something that. It it all arm her almost doesn't fit with the rest of the story. But also lets you know, there is so much more to this story than what right knows. Maybe there are chosen people. Yeah. Right. So maybe she wasn't one of those or it could be various other things. And we don't know. And that's fine. It's it's great because it lets your imagination run with like a good story. Should right? So I think that I like the giant aspects because it kind of gives us conclusion what happened because we know Caroline was alive when she ran away because we heard a scream at least I assume she wants maybe not who can say. But just that other element of this conclusion of her her being absorbed into these rocks. Yeah. You know, how how many souls trapped there over the millennia that they must have and imprisoned and to what end is it. Feeding something powering something has it. There's all kinds of possibilities to it. And I love that. It's easy to let your imagination run wild with it. Yeah. I really love that. Yeah. It's fantastic story. Really lot of fun. Thank you so much for sending it in. Thank you are. So we have another problem for you. 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Okay. Cool and Logan's gonna tell us that story the face game. David, and I have had smokey for a while when we picked her up from the shelter. She was a tiny wriggling little husky puppy five years later, she's outgrown her puffiness, but the cuteness remains I must admit I post way more pictures of her than I do of myself to my Instagram one day smokey started having stomach troubles. We woke up on Saturday morning to barf covering the kitchen floor where she usually slept David called the vet. And we schedule an appointment for Thursday. We went through the house trying to find what had caused smokey's illness. But we never did David thought GD rotten mouse or something and it upset her stomach. I guess I made as much sense as anything else we tried to come up with in any case on Tuesday. We sat in the waiting room of our local smoking laying down on the floor in front of us with our head in your paws. She hadn't thrown up in a day or two, but we want it to be certain. She was okay, David had dozed off on my shoulder. I smiled and grasped his hand in mine staring at are intertwined fingers. I think that's why I hadn't noticed the little girl until she was standing right in front of me. Hey, Mr. what's your dog's name? I turn my head to see her right beside smokey with an eager grin on her face. She was about eight with curly red hair cute little button nose, and the greenest is I'd ever seen clothed in jeans and a pink t-shirt her red converse shifted on the floor beside our sleeping dog. Smokey. I said leaning forward with a smile, but don't get too close. She's been having an upset tummy recently, the girl frowned and looked down. I hope she gets better soon. She's really cute bending down the girl began stroking her on the head. She opened her eyes gazed at our new physical for a moment before wolfing quietly dozing back off. I looked past the girl to the sparse waiting room. We're one of the last appointments of the day. And there were only two other occupants a teenage boy slumped on a bench on his phone birdcage with a parrot in at resting beside and the other occupant an old woman had dozed off on the couch cat carrier from which meowing was emitting sat on the floor in front of her. Frowned odd. Where's the girl's parents unless the old woman was her grandma and the teen her older, brother? She was here all alone. When I look back down. I saw the girl had crouched her knees and was gazing intently at smoky David jostled awake beside me re up next. He asked to tired voice, I answered negatively as he smiled and looked down. Well, who's this? He asked what's your name instead of answering his question the girl was now standing up looking smokey over like she was appraising something for an auction. A you the Paulson's the reception suddenly looked up from her desk. I looked up and nodded dot Lewis was Ian few minutes. Sorry about the wait. I ag- Nord stared instead at the girl who is still staring at smoky odd way. Where are your parents? I asked David gave me a look come on. Ben, let her look at smoky. But the way she was doing. It made me nervous. I know it sounds strange. But it was just creeping me out. Where are your parents? I asked again a little harder than I intended to the girl didn't take her is away from our dog, but can smoke you do can she shake David NADA, although hesitantly go ahead. Try it. The girl looked down and said smokey shake smokey seemed to tired or too uninterested to follow the girls instructions and did nothing can she sit and stay the girl asked almost bending downward with the intensity ever staring. David seemed to sense that something was wrong as well. Because he asked where are your parents in the time since looking around the old woman had gone and the teen was just leaving. Can she play the face game that made us pause? The reception is looked up confusion crossing her face. The what David asked sitting up straighter and pulling slightly on the leash. It's really easy. The girl said let me show you before anyone could stop her. She bent down and grabbed smokey's head in her hands. She began passing it between her fingers muttering something in a low whisper, smokey wind started to try to pull away, but her grip was like a vice her gaze intensified and her fingernails suddenly dug into the sides of smokey's head at this point, David and I were on our feet, grabbing her collar and pulling her away from the girl a few seconds later. She released her her fingers dripping with blood smokey wind on the floor red marks blossoming on her red and black for she laughed and ran out the door. Pausing only wants to turn back. She can after that spectacle. Dr Lewis looked smoky over carefully he prescribed her some pills and even appraise the intensity of the punctures the girl's fingernails had made her face. It's nothing life-threatening. Don't worry about it. But I would keep our clothes for the next few days. She looks pretty rattled. He stroked her head while she lay on the operating table shivering on our way out we asked the receptionist win the little girl had come in as all visitors needed to sign a sheet of never seen before. And she didn't sign her name parents have to sign for their children too. So she wasn't a child of anyone that came in today. I hope smokey feels better poor thing that night, David, I ate an uneasy dinner. We sat in the living room aimlessly scrolling through net flicks. I just don't get it. He said why would you do something like that? Do you think our parents are drug addicts or something? There's got to be some sort of explanation. I shrugged who knows kids are all kinds of screwed up these days. She was a psychotic Brad for doing it. And there's nothing we can do now smokey late on the couch next to us her head in David's lab. All that matters is she's okay? I really hope these pills work. We went to bed soon after shutting off the lights and climbing between the sheets just to be safe. We put smoke in our room. She wind pot at the door. Her facial injuries already forgotten. I know I know usually sleep in the kitchen, but just humorous tonight. Okay. She snuggled as if in understanding implanted herself at the foot of our bed curling up soon after the three of us fell asleep. A few hours later I woke suddenly I sat up and rub. The sleep out of my eyes. David still does beside me snoring loudly. I blinked as I just into the darkness. I noticed something the door to the bedroom was open smokey was missing from the foot of the bed any other night. I probably would have just shrugged it off and gone. To sleep. Smokey was smart. I'm sure she could've found a way to get out of the room somehow. But after all that had happened that day. I take the slightest precaution. I slipped out of bed and walked out into the hallway peering down the dark stairwell. Smokey I called in the quiet voice. I didn't expect an answer. And likewise didn't receive one descending. The stairs. I headed into the kitchen. It made the most sense that she would be there. It was where she usually slept. I didn't turn on any at the light. So as not to startle her. The floor was barren the green light from the digital clock on the casting a strange glow. I turned in cross the hall entering the living room, the drapes had been drawn blocking any potential light that may have come from the streetlamp outside as I did. So I became aware of faint growling noise at frowned that was odd smokey was usually so calm docile squinting. I saw dark shape barely peeking out from behind the couch smokey I whispered again stepping forward. The growling ceased and faint. Panting could be heard I sighed in relief. She must have been having a nightmare. Sure. Enough her face peaked out from the corner of the couch stepping forward a reached a handout and ran it down. Ruffling for my hand froze. When I looked closer her face looked normal to be sure it had all the necessary elements snout black and white for long pink tongue, but it all felt wrong. The for it wasn't soft and fluffy. Like it should be. It felt wiry an oily almost stiff under my touch the teeth. I could barely see them poking out from under the black lips. But they didn't look pointed. They looked square and the is smokey was a husky after all her eyes were deep brilliant shade of ice. Blue those ones were green. I made the connection then. A scream forming in my throat, I stepped back just a second too late allowed howl erupted from the thing behind the couch and the square human teeth sunk deep into my hand, I cried unin pain is. It begins shaking its head around shredding the skin with a mighty tug. I wrenched it from its jaws and fell backwards crashing into the coffee table. I pick myself up again ran for the stairs. Casting a fleeting glance behind me. The thing jerking on all fours after me had smokey's face stuck to its twisted body limbs cracked at oughta angles. There was no way that it should have been able to move with. How horribly twisted it was. But it did. Anyway, streaking after me like a spider tatters of pink and blue cloth. Stuck in bits to its limbs. It may have been quick, but I was quicker. I think my years of college track as I darted down the hallway and into the bedroom. The thing gave a strangled cry and launched fingernails Bayard toward the. Door. I shut it with a loud bang and barely had time to flick. The lock before it rammed jolting on its hinges giving it cry frustration. It scratched feverishly at the other side. The lock held the handle in place, but it's still rattled heavily in it socket David shot up in bed and turn to look at me. What the fuck is going on call the police yelled running back toward the door and holding it shut the banging got louder and I heard wood splintering, David hurriedly dialed nine one one and yelled what little he knew about our situation into the receiver as he did the attack on the door slowly began to quiet down the scratching gradually faded away. And the frequent bangs came longer in between by the time. We heard sirens outside all the noises had been quiet for over five minutes. The police searched the house and found the back door had been broken open, the lock lay in a heap of splintered wood and metal shavings in the laundry room. The shattered coffee table was found as well as the scratch marks on the door still. Rattled. I gave my story to the police frantically frequently asking where smokey was my demeanor. Certainly didn't help my case. And they looked skeptical as finished interviewing me the lead cop. Shook his head, sir. I'm sure your encounter with that girl earlier today was traumatizing. But what does that got to do at the damage done to your house? This is clearly some starving animal desperate enough to break down a door and look for food. You scared it when you came downstairs, and it attacked you David joined us outside looking sadly at me. I know it must have been scary. But there's no way it could have happened. Exactly how you described it the cop nodded an indicated toward the patrol car. I told him smokey is missing. They'll drive around a little looking for her when you get to the station all stay here and hold down the fort. Maybe she'll even come home before you come back. I started to protest but the Cup silently ushered me toward the car. Don't worry. There's going to be a patrol officer waiting across the street for the rest of the night in case it decides to come back. It did little to console me as we drove off down the street at this. Station. I gave the same report. I had given the first time. It was dutifully record it and placed in a file, but it was clear that nobody believe me two hours and lots of paperwork later, I stepped out into the dim morning light. Don was an hour or so away the first few stars were slowly winking out. I decided to walk home to clear my head right before I was asked to leave the property a squad car pulled in an officer stepped out waving his hands, Mr. Paulson, wait a minute as I learned. He ran around to the other side and open the passenger door, smokey bounded out and started running towards me tongue. Lolling I cringed took a few steps back, but looked closer those ice blue eyes, and Joey full expression. We're all that greeted me the officer walked over we found her in a field about a half mile away. I think the dog that got into your house scared her off I petted her and ran my hands down her face. She was happy. But I could see some evidence of fear her tail was tucked between her legs rather than. Ragging under face? Did look a bit shrouded with worry your guilt, you can take our home. Now. We'll be filing the report soon. Have a nice night. The obser- says he step through the doors smokey and I walked home. Slowly, we are both wary to return to the house. But in the end, we realized that has it probably all just been hallucinations or something brought on by my excitement and worry over the previous day's events. By the time. We reached our street both of us were in bright spirits. The sun was just beginning to rise when I reached our front door the patrol car was gone. I was a little pissed the officered left early. But see my story from a much straighter frame of mind, maybe reconsider. I guess I had been a little hysterical. He didn't really need to stay out all night, David where home I called as we stepped inside. Guess who? I've got silence. David I called again stepping closer into the house. I'd seen his car in the driveway. As we approached I slowly climb the stairs, smokey trailing distantly behind me. She was growling slightly and her hackles were raised. I felt the rationale I placed over the events earlier crumbling as paranoia took over. Why was it? So quiet in here. Where was David. I walked uneasy down the hallway and place to hand on the bedroom door knob, taking deep breath. I pushed it open. It's splashed in the pool of blood as it swung. David was sprawled on the bed face up. Although that expression is a little false, whatever pulpy mess whereas face used to be little resembled. What used to be there? I sank to my knees not carrying that. I landed in the pool scream slowly welled up in my throat, which burst forth when I read the two words messily painted in blood on the wall above the bed. He can. Well, that was what did you think of that one wins? I think that it was horrified. That was definitely a little bit more the gonna get you visceral kind of scare I story or more like horror movie. Yeah. Right. It's visual like, yeah. It's very visually engaging very visually that and what a what a monster. They've got. I don't even know how to go into this because this monsters, just so creepy. Yeah. It's got that element of human and animal. It kind of reminds me of have you seen the Nile Asian? Yeah. So spoilers skip ahead. If you hadn't seen it, and you want to, but in that movie, there is creature that it's bear a mutated bear that eat somebody and finds the other characters later on and then talking and screaming in that person's voice. Yeah. The creepiest fucking thing ever. See I still have nightmares about that. They're it's terrifying. And the reason why it's so scary is that you have this animal. That's also human. Yeah. That's a big part of it. And for this to have a monster to have such a human element. That it can wear the shape of a little girl and talk to you and laugh and seem so sweet. That is very very scary. I wonder more about the the mechanics of this quote unquote face game. Right. Like, how does this work was this girl that they met someone who could play the face game? So the creature took her over and then shifted smokey the dog and then tried to shift today. Yeah. And I them where to go I think because smokey ended up being in a different place. I think a little bit that it is a it's a replacement monster. It gets kind of scan and feel from the from the making contact and touching the face. And then it can make a passable duplicate maybe like some sort of shape Shifter. Yeah. Dapo ganger, even maybe some some elements of that. Yeah. Our now then begs the question how does one succeed or fail at the face games? Because obviously it has something to do with the face injuries or at injuries to the dog at the beginning. And then obviously the injuries David at the end how one is clearly a little bit more horrific than the other. Although I have to say I almost felt more baffled smoky than I did for David which is probably too much time. It's the delight TV, and it's a Popper. You don't wanna Popper to her? Exactly. Yeah. You you don't wanna hurt? She's girl. Yeah. Exactly. So that's so hard. I it's really hard when stories of elements that the animals are hurt. And it's so interesting they gain that you can you can watch humans get hurt all the time over and over again in media and once an animal an animal is injured. It's not. Okay. Cool. Not okay. And I think that really speaks. To our relationship with animals. It does that humans are all we are competitive and often that competition can turn to animosity but with animals, especially dogs, our relationship with them as very balanced, companionship. Yes, exactly. This story reminds me of kind of joke that I have with another one of our friends. The remember one night I had had Fairmount to drink and this dog boomer comes up to me. And I look in right in the eyes and say, okay, boomer offers on the table. If you want trade heads will make a happen. Boomer has a great head void area. Good head. Yes. He is one of my favorite poppies. Very good. Boy. He's basically a pit. I think pit some lab. And there he looks like a pet, and he is the chilliest animal met to ever exist. He puts himself to bed at like nine. He's basically grumpy old man. But in the best possible way sweetest sweetest stock. And I love him. And I completely understand what you're coming from these great big pit bull head on him. So I made that comment just just imagining how I think his head. Oh, good on my body. And I think my. And anyway, our friend Josh actually Photoshop these as a switch. It showed it to me. To see my head on boomers body is pretty funny half. That's kind of what it reminded me of in this story this kind of mostly animal, but still has a massive human animal aspect. Also reminds me of what we do in the shadows. Yes, you can change shape. But never got the faces. Right. Won't my God. If you haven't seen that movie, you must immediately go especially with with the Halloween season waning down. Nice thing with this movie is it's not a scary. No. It's a mock you mentoring about vampires wearables. So it's a good lighthearted fund kinda round out the Halloween season. It was a fun one. It's New Zealand fell TD. Thor ragnarok. Yes, if you've seen if you've seen Thor ragnarok, he does he directed and was the rock richer net his name, so funny. Best comedic relief in that show period entire movie hilarious, he did. So he didn't do in the shadows. He did hunt for the wilder people both great hilarious films. But what we do in the shadows is just classic. And so we always have we have the aspect of empires that can can shape shift into different animals. We've always had that as part of their lore. So. Yeah. Like Logan set one of the aspects is that he he kind of some of his powers way into little bit. And so now he can transform into animals, but then they always end up what they. Human face. It's so creepy, but also hilarious at the same time. It's it's such a good film. And it's images like that. That made me think, you know, this is this is a creature that has potential to be funny or goofy. Or just got a place. However, this story definitely puts it in a in a dark, and yet grim kind of kind of looking so very similar to the dog that feeling wrong. And then you look back a little further, and the is are wrong and the teeth are human well. Yeah. And that's just not. Okay. It's it's so jarringly wrong. And that's that it's terrifying. And really that's the big element that gets carried over in both forms. We see this creature in its its those emerald green eyes. The little girl had the greenest is he'd ever seen the dog has those same green is. And that's what the nation is blue. Yeah. I wonder if those eyes are just heart of the the limitation on this creature it can change shape. But those is always going to be there, or it could be a thing where it's shifts from its last form had green eyes. And now, it's next form has green eyes. The next time. I'll have another aspect to the thing before more. It always does. And it's just it doesn't seem to think about it. Does seem wildly unpredictable and predatory. It's gets part of what makes a scary. I love that. He put these these images in of the pink and blue cloth tattered, and stuck to this creature. So you know, you know, that it was this little girl because that's what you saw Moreno earlier. Right. And I think that was a really smart detailed ad so that. Has that immediate connection of? Okay. I know where this came from. Yeah. I know what the face game is. I know that that happened. And this is the result of that game -actly, and then and then leaving the police station for a while and smokey being found in showing up, and then they go home. Boy, I I've I've come home to a home intruder, one time, it is when you come into your home and something is amiss you feel at the second you walk in. And when it something. Yeah. Like that. It's boy that's scary. When it's a monster as something that could hurt someone you care about. That's very scary. And obviously that happen here. But just the imagery of pool of door. Swung open into a pool of blood. Right. Oh, yeah. And for its scrawled on the wall. Yeah. He can't his face. Clearly, clearly the victim of this. He can't aspects. But but that that implies a logic and memory on this Creech. Right. It's very very much sentient knows what it's doing intelligent. Yeah. And that's far more terrifying than just brute force creature. Right. And it has both aspects it clearly a strong, and it's clearly aggressive, and it's smart. Yeah. Which are dangerous combo there. For sure. Yeah. Well, cool. Thank you so much for sharing that story with us and thanks again to all of our contributors. That was really a fun episode. I really thought that was a fun collection of stories and a great way to kinda around out this early. Well, it's about to be wintertime, but. Yeah. We can just eat out a little bit more. The spooky news of the Halloween season. The wire for sure, and if you guys have woolen doing this we want to cycle through doing a creature folktales creature folktales, and then doing a modern folklore episode each each cycle of what we do kind of just because I think that those are fun break from what we do. But at the same time as we've talked about earlier that are also folklore ended up themselves. They are what the core and see its folklore. What begins as right? It's it's so interesting to see that grow. And we have. I mean, if we if we talk about stuff like like slender, man, right? Yeah. It started as a creative pasta. I think. It was an image contest or something like that. But it started on the internet, and it became viral Laura's created around it, and it's built to this creature that we all know about. Yeah. In modern times. It's the perfect example of how for can snowball. Right. Yup. And at you and us. Yeah. Really communication is is kind of the fuel that feeds the fire of things. Absolutely. And I think an even more interesting thing with this is the viral aspect of right? You know, it moved so quickly through the internet and nowadays everything does and things go viral so quickly and you can never really predict what will or won't go viral. But. Stories can reach so many more people so much more quickly. Yeah. And I think that's a good thing. And I think that's a bad thing in some aspects. But I think a lot of things are going to have to change to adjust for first. But that's how our folklore is going to progress over time it's going to be viral stuff like this because that's how we communicate with each other. And the fact that we have, you know, seven plus billion people on the world contribute to that is going to be really interesting to see I I wish I could move ahead of thousand years in the future and see what's come from our time. Well, I'm sure if we dig deep enough, we can find some way to unlock your mortality and explore that, but we're getting there it always comes with some kind of drawback, of course. Definitely. Yeah. Also, if you guys are writers for now sleeps or creepy pastas, are let's not meets give us a shout out. We're accepting stories for narration like we've done today and the Email for that is modern at folklore on their oxidized calm. So you can send those are way. And and we'll look through and potentially narrate them on the show. Yes, please Logan's really great narrating guys. So. It'd be it'd be great. 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The Particular Challenge Of Writing '1917'

The Frame

25:43 min | 1 year ago

The Particular Challenge Of Writing '1917'

"It from the broadcast center at KPCC. This is the frame. I'm John Horn. Here's what we've got today. What would an alternate history history of this year's Oscars look like well for starters? It's more black than white. And when Director Sam Mendes called Screenwriter Christie Wilson Cairns to collaborate on one thousand nine hundred seventeen be finished by telling her and important twist and in the last thing he said. Michael was by the way it's going to be one show which which makes it's my dream job incredibly difficult. I knew we have any hung up after he dropped that bomb on me and a passionate performance artist takes her concern for the environment onto the stage. It's the frame. We'll be right back. We now know who was nominated for this year's Academy Awards and who wasn't there were no women pick for the directing Oscar and only one person of color. Harriet Stars Cynthia. Rio was among the twenty acting nominees. He's but what if like Hollywood does in a few movies. There was an alternate history to the Oscars. Franklin Leonard wrote about his imagined Academy Award nominations for the Washington Post. He's the creator of the blacklist an annual compilation of much admired but unpredicted movie scripts Franklin. Welcome back to the show. Thanks for having me the back. So we're not so sad. Your column is almost funny. It could have been a satirical piece from the onion. What motivated it? Well here's here's the interesting thing right like it. It didn't necessarily need to even be ready satire if anything you know. The article was written as a as a list of all of the people could reasonably have been nominated in place of those who got nominated and I think that there are additional people. That aren't even mentioned in the article. who also could have gotten reasonably? We nominated and no one would have batted an eye except for the fact that it would have been unusual that all the nominees people of color that all of the directing on these women which you know is so far from our reality only because history would suggest that all the nominees should be white and all the directors should be met. Well let's talk about that right. Because there was a lot of great artistic accomplishment from people who weren't nominated I think about hustlers from Lorraine Skafar you on the star Jennifer Lopez Lulu Wong the director of the Farewell Greta Gerwig who made little women performances by Alfie Woodard and clemency Aquafina and farewell the entire cast a parasite right nominated for best picture. None of the actors were so. What's the disconnect in your mind between the great work and the recognition or lack of recognition of that? Great Work Work. I mean the short answer is racism and sexism in the intersection between the two. I think that there is a fundamental lack of appreciation for the work of women directors and the work of Actors of Color. I mean I. I saw it in on my twitter timeline. And yesterday people saying Oh Jennifer for Lopez wasn't really acting playing herself you know and I think there's an assumption that you know the actors in parasite or somehow that's just who they are. They're not actually performing. If you've been in a room with a with Song King Ho you know that that was a heck of a performance. So I think that the assumptions and the appreciation and the value that we give to these performances into these directing Sort of accomplishments is diminished. Because of. WHO's doing it? Someone told me you know. Why are you trying to inject politics politics into these decisions? And it's not that I'm trying to inject politics into it is the politics are already in it. I'd like to see them removed or at least an acknowledgement the extent to which the politics there. We're talking with blacklist Creator Franklin Leonard About this year's Oscar nominations earlier this morning a read a piece in the Guardian about how award. Nominations granted people of Color especially women are often for subservient roles like slaves nannies maids. And that's movies like twelve years a slave that help babble even Roma g think there's some truth in that for the few women and women of color who are recognized they play a certain kinds of part and not another kind of role Yeah I think it's pretty arguable. You look at the list of women of color that have been nominated in London You know I suppose. In theory those nomination is progress because She's not playing a slave. The entire time in actually is playing a freedom fighter rescue slaves but no I look I think that there is again and there are some by a large percentage of certain demographics of American culture and really sort of Western culture culture about what role is appropriate for women specifically women of Color. They are far more comfortable with women in those roles than they are. If you stray too far afield and I suspect Jennifer Lopez playing a stripper gets one over on the men that she is supposed to be dancing for left left. Some significant percentage of members who the Kademi uncomfortable since actors are by far the biggest block of Academy voters. Why do the Oscar? Nominations differ from the screen actors guild. which nominated Jamie Foxx from just mercy the Peter Neon go from us and Jennifer Lopez from hustlers I suspect it's age. I I again this. I'm I'm not an expert on this. You can probably correct me if I'm wrong. But the threshold to join SAG is a lot lower in terms of career accomplishment than the threshold to join the academy and therefore it sort of seems inevitable that the academy voters are probably at least the mean significantly older than your average Sag goater and given the changes that have happened in the industry particularly over the last twenty years. I suspect that has something to do with the different nominations. The academy to a certain extent stint can only recognize movies that get made even if Oscar voters still ignored a lot of great work from underrepresented filmmakers and actors. Now you've worked as a creative executive. I can Hollywood so from where you sat on that side of the table. What needs to change in the kinds of movies that are made and who gets to make them so the academy voters voters at least can pick from a wider pool of eligible performances? Films having the same changes that needs to be made in any hiring environment where there's endemic matthias you know. We need to hire a labor force. That's more representative of the culture. As a whole we need to empower them to tell the stories. If they're most excited about telling we you need to make sure they have the resources to tell those stories well And then I think that combined with the changing demographics of the academy membership. I think you'd see a real shift over time in what gets awarded. I think it's really important to remember that you know the reason this conversation sort of pivots around the academy as bad as the time. I'm during the year when the industry is the most visible to the world and I think that it's the time when you know they're they're they're the most outside pressure can be exerted and it's it's the clearest opportunity community to make these cases right that no women were nominated for best director. It's a lot easier to understand that than it is to understand that ninety percent of the movies that are directed a studios are directed by men by so. I think that that's why this conversation happens around this time of year but the real issue and the one that matters is who Who tells the stories of our time? Do they have the resources to tell them. And do they have the autonomy to tell them as they see fit. So let me ask you this last question. We know that the academy I suspect is probably a little mortified. That only one person of color was nominated in the acting races and that no women were many directors. Is it going to be same as it always was the year from now two years from now. How quickly are we not going to be having this conversation? You know I think that the end of the day we're doing with small data sets and you know the IT. It takes a long time to make movies put movies into the marketplace and then run them through the award season so you know even if everything changed as of today we probably wouldn't be looking at a major change until twenty twenty two and as we all know Those changes tend to be even more glacial than the industry. So it's hard to say you know hopefully within this decade Lord knows. I'm going to do everything to make sure it happens faster. Franklin Leonard is the creator of the blacklist. His piece in the Washington Post is called the twenty twenty Oscar Oscar. Nominations didn't have to look like this. Franklin thanks so much for coming back on the show. Thanks for having me coming up on the frame Christie Wilson Cairns the screenwriter a best picture nominee nineteen seventeen. Welcome back to the frame. I'm John Horn over the past weekend. The World War One drama nineteen seventeen. Seventeen was a big hit at the box office then yesterday morning. The movie directed by Sam Mendes lended ten Oscar nominations including best picture and best original screenplay. The film script was co written by Mendez and Christie Wilson earns. The two had collaborated before but this is their first project to be produced. Nine hundred seventeen plays out as a single take. There are no obvious. Cut Sir edits and because the camera is never ahead of the action. What's new to the soldiers cultures on the battlefield? Feels like it's new to the audience at the very same time when Mendez called Cairns to pitch his idea for nineteen seventeen she didn't hesitate into say yes he had this one image I am in his mind and it was based on his grandfather. It was this seventeen year old boy carrying a message through new man's land lost in the fog. Your orders are to get to the second. Of course he would one mile southeast of the town of the coast. Deliver this Tacona. Mackenzie it is a direct correct order to call off tomorrow mornings. If you don't it will be a mask. We will lose two battalions sixteen hundred men your brother among them. You think you can get in time this. And then the last thing he said the call was owned by the way. It's all going to be one short. I am and he hung up after he dropped. That bone me Because he likes to do things in person the questions received for our first set down meeting. I guess I I have read that right after he got off the phone when you googled one shot films which probably doesn't get you very far because they're not really no. There's not very many and I was actually. I was looking for scraps because you know scripture Tim please you know so I was. I was looking for the formula that when short movies we'd take like Look on the page so I am I had to. I had to just be like okay. There's there's nowhere to to steal from. You'RE GONNA have to make up as you go along when you have the device of a single take or what looks to be a single take. It changes the perspective of the audience. The audience in some ways is discovering things asked the characters because the camera is never in front of the characters what does does that mean in terms of storytelling in terms of the reality that you're creating for the characters in the audience and how far or how far are you can't push that reality. It was very difficult to put it very simply. It's super heart. I am like you say it. So when you're working in in reality everyone who setting in that cinema understand reality that one show is how we actually all live our lives. We live in one continues. Unbroken teak editing sort of an artifice and film. And so what we're trying to do is strip all that way as a writer Sam Sam and I had to sit down and sort of billable so far. Can we push this home much before. It's too much which I can have like dark and twisted and desperate. Can you make the audience before they start to away because it's an as soon as anyone looks away. You've lost them. Thank you. The audience might look away. It's too graphic of. It's too violent of his. If it's too graphic too violent if it's just too much you know the way I was when I was writing this I had sort in my mind. I had a whole can of like M. E. C. G. Monitor of the audiences Hartley and I was like okay. Now we've we've pushed up so far for so long. People are going to start to fatigue. Quick actions who knows you have to drop it down and make it back into a character plea. Did you hear that story about. We'll see how long is not in the mood. Keep is on the top of the Ridge. They told you shrapnel what what was it. Well you know. He's goes ahead right and he was moaning about the as a writer can of usually your. You're you're so focused is creating a good story. That's a blueprint especially screen. There's a blueprint to make an excellent Gomes. That's your job and with this. There is all these extra extra burdens extra caveat. Okay because there's going to be a traditional edit there's not that phenom rerate in the sense you had to endure in the script so it becomes really tricky a key to sort of manage expectations ahead of time. Because you're doing it for Phantom audience in your head we're talking with Christie Wilson Cairns the CO screenwriter of the movie nineteen seventeen eighteen. So you have kind of the mathematical challenge of how this movie is going to be shot by Roger Deakins but you have a narrative problem too and that is how is this story going a play out emotionally. And how do you try to figure that out as you're writing because if the audience doesn't care about these characters no matter what the technology or the shots look like. They're not going to be in the story. Oh Yeah I mean you can have the best can of Lake Cinematography in the world. And I'm slice. I think we do. But if you don't have one or two characters who you root for. Then what's the point and I think that's the case with everything you know if if you don't have someone that you love someone in the if you represents if you or your brother or your father or your son then what's the point you know. Go Go Watch your documentary if you just want to learn about the war if you just want to see staggering film techniques which music videos. Because they're usually cutting edge for that but for us. I mean the whole point of this story from the very beginning with to to make a film that felt like one hundred hundred and ten minutes in someone else's life that fail transport of an immersive. And you could only do that with two characters that you love and you hope they survive. I WANNA ask about research. I want to start by talking about physical locations when you were walking around battlefields from were one. What was the physical impression that you took took away in? How did that shape the movie that you wrote? I mean my research in France was obsolete. How doing I've been to France? Several teams Guna had gone with my school had gone with my grandparents. I am too to the first world. War Battlefields and I can remember the impression that being younger thinking that soldiers were were big. Men were adults were grew in people who made a conscious decision to go and fight and die for their country and not last time. When I was there which was when I was writing the script so a year and a half ago I I was struck by the fact that you know what there's a mile of rude in just outside Lille and there's five sandwiches packed full of young men and I find myself all of these sandwiches and I was older than every boy buried there and I'm thirty two? I don't feel particularly old but at thirty two. If I was a man at that time I would have probably either. There'd been dead or been leading men into battle. I'm to me that really hit home. The coast of human life of young human life am not to that. was something something that really went into the script. Because Xijiang you know bleak in an Scofield George Dean are so young and they look very young. And it's it's quite staggering. Getting to think of these young men having to live through the unimaginable horror. I was in London over the holidays and I took my boys who are Big World War One and World War Two fans is to the Imperial War Museum and they have an exhibit about World War One. That's incredible and on the top floor. There's an exhibit about heroism and the personal stories that you encountered in doing your research because I think you did some research inch. Imperial War Museum spent a lot time there. Even though you're telling a fictional story what parts of the true life tales that you took away from your research that are incorporated into the story. What we were trying to do was tell a story that felt completely real and so we were going through? All these different archives amfar signed accounts. We were soldiers diaries. Because we were looking for sort sort of these moments that Phil Filming but also felt very human quite profound one of the ones affected me. Most is The milk so in nineteen fourteen. Actually you can you can at the Imperial War Museum. You can listen to the veteran himself and his own words telling the story because it was recorded Jordan in the seventies. I believe I'm he talks about the nineteen fourteen retreat the British exertion force were on the run. He stole milk from a farm arm and he was a performer himself and he was wracked with guilt at this theft. He wasn't a thief and he he thought he'd taken food out of the MOS of innocent people of people that were you know fearing for their lives and a couple of days later he found himself a sailor during a bombardment and it was him an a young woman in a baby in the baby be was starving and the baby needed milk and he had it in his canteen. He'd stolen delete a day earlier. I am an for the first time in in the whole war he. He felt like he had served his purpose. He'd be never a reason to not was really Kenneth Shocking and profound to me in that went straight into Scofield's character. Just the idea feeling feeling lost feeling lost feeling overwhelmed and then there's just one woman where you're like. Oh I've done I've done a good thing. Sam Mendes has talked about the stories his grandfather told influencing him. was there any family story of yours that affected you or that you brought to this film. My grandfather was to wasn't born until nineteen twenty nine to go t- never had to fight in the first World War but am he was profoundly affected by the where he grew up in quite abject poverty and Glasgow last school. I am been born ten years after the conflict. The the marks of that generation of Los men were still very much in his life. It was a huge part of him and he'd lost first cousins and uncles in the war until he was really shaken by and I think for him even though he wasn't highly educated he really believed that we had. How did you T to history that we as civilization should learn from the mistakes of our past and hopefully avoid repeating them constantly and then also we as people should should understand fantasy so that we can we can be better men and women and he really kind of pushed out on me is when I was younger? The value of learning the importance importance of education. And so my love for the war my kind of my interest in that the first and second row will really come from Hemingway which was secondary. So it's not he never fall on the battlefield. He was profoundly affected along with the whole generation of people. Christie Wilson Cairns is the CO screenwriter of nineteen seventeen Christie. Thanks so much for come on the show thank you so much for such a pleasure Up Next on the frame record temperatures global pollution and animal extinction. It's all part of a new state. Show you for the past two decades. Scientists and environmentalists have been arguing over a relatively new word anthroposophic. It refers to the age. Some people believe we're living in right now. A geological time when human beings are changing the earth. Think pollution climate change and animal extinctions multi media artist me what matric explores this perilous era in her new stage show called infinitely yours. It's a collage of digital animation. Live music and theatre the frame contributor. Marcos not had visited visited studio recently and has this preview. This actually recyclable. So in the back of her K town apartment building meanwhile matric rifle through a blue recycling bin. Imagine how many boxes. They must have ordered if it hasn't this much Broken up bubble. Wrap and air pillows. I'm by the refining in this right now if they could pull it out. So it's like it's a dual purpose. It's an interview and a recycling intervention. It's dark out. So she's wearing a light strapped to her forehead thanking might might as well where the second east both hands are. Matric is sort of the Doyenne of recycling here in hood. She often teaches neighbors. Do's and don'ts of reusable materials I mean again it's not like I'm the expert at this but I knew that you know actual the hands and this is good because it's actually cleaned this like you know like diced Tomato Ken. An equal measure McRae hopes her new show called infinitely yours inspires people to treat mother nature better but she quickly realized it all starts at home. I started to do a plastic audit with save everything that would go into the Blue Ben for a month. Like COSC- all laid out in a month and look at the choices that I made in the grocery store and kind of go through my mind. Quarter the different choices. I can make right like going topa as a bulk ben instead of buying grains and the plastic bag but also kind of struggling with things like Tofu You Know How do you get to this. Not Ah plastic container. Some of the items betrayal retrieved from Blue Bin have become props for her new show like a plastic bottles. She uses to cast beautiful shadows and shapes on a movie screen. matric combines this type of live shadow puppetry with computer generated animation and then incorporates her own body to create stunning collages. A A projector in the back of a large screen Casio animations. She makes in software programs like adobe after effects but that projector also creates a light source for matric break to create a silhouette of herself interacting with images on screen. A second projector in front of the screen adds extra layers of colorful video. Will it creates an illusion of sort of like this in between space physical unreal but also fantastic and I I think that kind of leads the audience in to A place of illusion and transformation and a little bit of magic. I can turn this on behind the screen. matric shows me how she moves herself and a few chairs to create the complex story. Then in having these really fast and then they have to be here to block the emission have put this back there. I mean I think there's sort of a riddle of like you know the the cinematic storytelling telling versus the theatrical storytelling theatrical. What I can physically do in real time instead of animation time so I think that I'll need need to make a little bit longer for the right cat? 'cause right now and kind of barely able to do it. oftentimes she's moving behind the screen on her knees or back she's even learned to walking Carr's side stretch band kind of like the crescent moon pose in Yoga actually gotten accustomed to Holding my body like this. So that the part part this part of my shadow is the same side like proportionately the same size as this part of my head. Because if it's here than my head would be really small. I mean this is like a small detail but I think it's the kind of things I realized to doing. This for over a decade matric grew up in Japan before moving to California at age eleven and she studied physics at UC Santa Barbara Before turning to animation at Cal Arts for Grad School. But she's never let go of her love for science even though she had to let go of its formal. We'll study once it got to a level of physics where I didn't get to imagine anymore. It just became like very dry and like math heavy and it was about like Like my big imagination. I think that was kind of led me to going towards art and again I feel like I've gotten to a place place where I can go back to that. And you know Imagine micro and macro worlds to performance and animation in visual storytelling. It should be a struggle in the process. I think about how we are impacting. The world they can. I be an educator about this. I'm not sure because I don't come with like a background in climate change science but I think there is something to be said about the process. A struggle of each person. I think it is important to struggle with our choices and not have those things become invisible for the frame I'm Marcos Net me matric performs infinitely yours Thursday straight through Saturday at Red Cat inside Disney Hall. And that'll do it for today. I'm John Horn. Thanks for listening. We're back here tomorrow at the Broadcast Center.

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Charisma Carpenter "I try to stay away from the name cally stuff but its hard to resist some time"

Stephanie Miller's Happy Hour Podcast

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Charisma Carpenter "I try to stay away from the name cally stuff but its hard to resist some time"

"Super Pretty girl alerts to a pretty girl. The impeachment Bharti happy. Happy Hour Charisma. Carpenter from the bumpy. The Vampire slayer angel. Oh my God star courtesy her sister. I for okay. First of all at year Blevins Evans with all our beloved. But I guess your twitter is so awesome and political. Beatings John. John People saying with Dana. Goldberg and Cody Hamilton. And we're all our break breaking the show like you're always supposed to be on for like one segment. I think Steve me the option to stay. I was too intimidated. Honestly like a tape a a panel of Comedians. No thanks I mean. I didn't feel like I had much to bring to the table there Well my humor is pre scripted. Blitz amazing you know regurgitating was already been written but yeah it was a it was a joy there were warm they were welcoming and bright and smart. It went. Well yes fine. Yep we'll happy impeachment. Okay I had to ask right away because I because charisma so you were named after a perfume. Yes to your something fabulous who Avon but that was sort of it speaks thanks to the Times. I wish my mom had named me obsession. Because that's pretty much remember obsessive right. Okay all right well. I just had to get that out of the way because thank name. Yeah thank you and I love you played a teenager or excuse me a cheerleader. But you're we're not just a regular cheerleader in high school. You were San Diego chargers cheerleader. I was for a minute I was. It's interesting because I guess you could say I. I Rode Oh that horse to the top. I started cheerleading. Is like you know a sixth grader. Right and then just kept hearing all way right. Todd no half stepper I I tell you it's all or nothing except you played a mean cheerleader. And I'm told that you are an exceptionally nice former cheerleader. Right okay yeah I mean I I hope oops Oh and we always say that all the actresses and actors we've had in the people that play asshole they're always the nicest people in person. It's weird sweet but I think that kind of reminds me of a conversation I had with the casting director for Malibu shores who The casting director for that show at the time was Aaron spelling. Doctor who did melrose playoffs and used heather locklear as an example at the time of being the baddest bitch ever but the nicest human being adver does she often said you know you have to go home and find the bitch within just. It's like heather and I was like okay. I'll do my best and now your inner bitch find my intervention I. She's never left she's occupied. My Body now consists of us. Look in the mirror go back you know fuck you use that word in grave restraints. Yes as for the very special specials special times. Well Travis nicely is this the TV show for Kellyanne Conway. which would be called next Tuesday with Kelly? It's a nice way. The anti that's awesome. Yeah but anyway. I always find just a weird quirk in Hollywood that it that it just as people are and that really intelligent people played wits. And it's always like that. Sarah's people play funny people you know it's almost like it's acting. Hey we now know okay. Now you're gorgeous and straight but Chris makes a point about my all my ex's look like Aaron. Aaron Spelling People Really uh-huh since they have to earn spilling productive. But they've really smart like you so shallow is makes me see what about your current for it. Nothing helped me help me. I can't isn't there are gay you the Travis was like she did a playboy. A said. I'm like Oh hey now let me do a little more research on this. Then talk about well now you can see the cover. The covers harmless. Yeah E. Vibe. I left with Hugh talked about though that you were you had a kid not that long ago right before when you did the shoot right I you were nervous and then you you said your husband at the time was like honey. Put Your `Obon they're not shooting now I I did. I got comfortable more comfortable than feel free here is it's definitely. We encourage people to him on grain. I made it was at the moment. Not In general all the time. I don't walk around like that. In fact in I grew up dancing and dances auditory. Asli like free and you have to get dressed backstage often. You can't really. You can't be weird about it you can't it doesn't roll. Well you know you just gotTa get on with it. Put the two on. Let's go and Bellaigue guys. You run by the crowd you know. I don't know the word is but I'm right there with you. I know exactly where you're at. It's not the time to be a he. You know he embarrassed. Yeah Yeah so But I was that person. Oh my new characters. I don't know it sounds like it's pat. I Love I love. The puck is telling us we didn't know that topic. I mean you have. You've had some impressive guests now. You might say I'm feel so honored to be in this guy. We we feel so honored to have you. We've Jane Fonda to sat in that Lily. Tomlin Tom Martin Sheen. Yeah we've Holy Sh- yes that ROB reiner. Yeah aw that's incredible. Yeah Yeah Sorry we you were born in Vegas Baby Vegas Vegas. Yeah and you've said that you can take the girl in Vegas but you can't take the vegas out of the girl baby pageant girl too. I was a little pageant girl that you or your mom that pageant mom I mean in in the best possible sent you know. She wasn't pushing pushing pushing like you have to have to win and wanted to do it. She felt the long thing. Okay so what I did. It wasn't necessarily like a and it wasn't on the table like do you want to do. This is just what I did. I danced in insane the amount of hours a week all my life and it was a good outlet for that I did the junior miss pageant just so I could do a comedy sketch I was runner up and and Miss Congeniality. That's she'd be like insatiable now. I think we should get you on Netflix. Show insatiable because similar. No big resistor Chris Cairns show pageant show well I mean I can judge I would be a good judge right having a thing. They say I'M GONNA take my clothes off. Oh my music all means. He's more comfortable. LISTEN TO SEAN. The one St Guy here in me the one girl fast on listeners. Wow you are hot I mean you look I mean you know look bright Switzer Shit Awkward. Great thank you all right. Donald trump all right so your your son is sixteen. Now he is yeah he's sixteen. Oh God bless you find yourself with our rocket man fan all right yeah. Let's I don't even know where to start so your son is sixteen now. Yeah yeah and we ask everybody this 'cause none of us Spawned put just having a kid in the age of trump and daily daily bullying and meanness and it's complex right now It's tricky and that's kind of you know you. You touched on something that made me think about my twitter feed and I really try to stay away from even though it's very hard to sometimes I do participate in it the name Kali stuff like I don't think it's helpful to it just attack somebody you know because you don't like them and just call them creatine essentially like I don't think that's assisting yeah anybody or anything and it starts to become like an echo chamber right. We're just preaching the same thing as saying this thing over strangers. Yeah generally those strangers agree with you are aligned with. You're right we all all kind of know this sort of implied so there's no need to like expand our energy saying the obvious but it's hard to resist at times. Yeah really is helpful if they did not have so many Christians in their party down. See what I did to UC much. We're comfortable in your t-shirt. I know I'm much more comfortable with you. In that skimped. I've already go ahead back to off so when it comes to bullying and that kind of thing it's it's always been an issue and I think he's he's faced it himself and I'm sure he's participated in it but I tried to stay classy about yeah I try. Go well you you call president one name. You said. The he's the worst liar he lies bigly the how can you say any other thing than that. He is so I mean. That's the news media. How long after five? But how many lives team is that a name call. We don't know what are we past ten thousand twelve off thousand documents. Yeah Yeah I mean that that's the media for however long ago we could screwed. We can't call him a liar. And it's like okay. Well that's isn't that not one of the first things you teach your kids. Don't buy. Yeah and you know respect bodies of other people right space like give. I have violated every rule of every well done all right. Listen or a fan of all the same women. You tweeted about Fiona Hill or what superheroes tomato made of what little girls can aspire to. You tweeted out professor Carlin who today ask visceral how anyone on the district and not listen to her educated arguments. It's on and not favor a peach. I thought the same thing. She was clearly so passionate about the conscious about what she does that he was giving me grief on twitter about saying that her passion is exactly what you don't want. She's in a position of power. It's almost as though she's just like but she's not a judge. She's an academic. She's passionate about what she does. She believes in the law. She believes in the Constitution. which is the law of the land like the most exciting thing to her? I wish more people were that got excited about the constitution as one of the other professor but said if this is an impeachable than nothing is I mean it is the point of even Having impeachment hearings or having a that that in the law if we're not an exercise when there are when there is evidence and that's I think where people start. Start to wane in argument of like we're taking when I was listening because I try to think like other people think that don't agree with me. And that will what what what do they hear. What do they hear when they listen to these people and what? I've I heard these three academics except for the one all saying was they were taking being it into account and assuming that it wasn't factories and it was bribery and it was an abuse of power and it was obstruction of justice and obstruction of Congress. Yeah so those things were said as if it was fixed in true. Yeah but what the other side argues is that that's not. It's it's presumed haven't heard but then I go back to Mulvaney literally use those words and get over it is quite pro pro pro quo and I don't know how that gets muddled like how that because they have no way is even more. Why are you even like it's already laid out? It's just that one mission right. No I mean they have no case which is why I was saying. I couldn't believe the collins. Republican literally complained about how cold the room was and he hates his chair. I'm really because you've got nothing. Except his distractions. I mean it's yeah it's exactly. They took all those roll-call votes just to make it look look like a circus is that that's all they have. Hold that thought charisma. You know working with really really beautiful actresses during happy hour. You know it makes you have to stop and do you put on some flexibility. Because of Christmas. Really Nice but I feel like she's going to turn into a cheerleader. And tell me how what the bags under my eyes look like and wrinkles. Are you packing to go somewhere. And God ain't GonNa check those bags would not do that. I wouldn't know when she wouldn't because you use plex derm. That's right it is it's a clinically studied Serum invisibly eliminate your wrinkles crows feet and under eye bags in minute. I mean I'm telling you it is like crazy. It's how fast right it's GonNa be done by The Times. Commercials over is that thank you. I will be ingenue again as soon as this. I am telling you I look just like you. But just ten years younger right. Now Go and get plexus holiday promotion. This is the time to try it. See what everybody all the sexy liberals on our whole network raving about Bowden go to triplex. Durham DOT COM. Use the code sexy liberal for fifty percent off plus an additional ten dollars off. OMG that's fifty percent off. Plus an extra ten bucks off also available by calling one eight hundred six eight five twelve ninety two and mentioning the code sexy liberal plexiglass backed by thirty day guarantee what he's got to lose who's not not visit triplex Dot com today use the code sexy liberal at checkout that his triplex interim dot com. Guess who doesn't need plexus term charisma You also talked about trump God. It's just. He's so endlessly humiliating on the world stage. But he's over there. You know calling you know Adam Schiff all these eighth grade nicknames. Ms and said this reminds me of the expression guilty accused. He is psychology one for projection. Like everything he calls him. Ship is what he is just just if I were just just right now I hearken back to a time when he was calling Rosie O'Donnell all these a awful name in describing her. It's like to me like to go go to the physical about. Somebody is just as bad as base as you can go about his sixth grade middle school as you can get and this is a grown man holding the highest office of of this land and it's just despicable to me that we've we've got this person presenting us as a nation zero class indignant. We were seeing story about so. We saw the videotape of them all like clearly laughing talking about him in laughing and so like an screaming little baby he leaves. He's going to play Gio taste. Yeah if you call just faced the so saying he played a mean high school girl. That's what he's like. He's like a mini title lanker. I wrote a book about Shifting Chirpy. And here's what I want. I mean Lamba remember so now the only thing in your characters have in common. Is the yearbook psychic right on both of the shows but she was on buffy characteristics hours. Oh and then. That's how you got empathy. The right and started to okay do have because I'm trying to psychics us. Have that power in real life. Oh I wish I would love to predict that we. We'll have an impeachment. He will go to jail and he'll be incarcerated and won't even run for twenty twenty. I was going to ask you if you thought I was going to die alone. Eaten by dogs all right. It's not it's not just about talk about dying alone but if you're left here for five to seven days or dog will face off for that. Happy sorry they start with the limbs. I it's the cat's AH cats lick your face Orion revived you. Then they keep getting and then they eventually draw blood and figure out that you're that you're taking we just simple. We found a headless person in Griffith Park. What's that they they don't? They think it was natural causes and then the coyotes ate his head. So that could happen to me too. I could actually not be eaten by dogs By straight coyotes. Yeah A lot. Yeah I do hike. Lots of good in there is with you right well because yeah we'll take the young one. Okay okay okay all right. I just loved his home solutions today. Liberal Helper AH helping. I went on my rant about Kamala Harris this morning. 'cause I'm pissed and I'm sad but you also tweeted about Elizabeth. Warren you said you she does seem really care what she's saying. Not just pandering for votes. I think so too. I think she is so likable. Does Oh that that genuine you know. I don't want to say this in a way. That would sound bad but she just has that safe. Grandma vibe you know what I mean. That's extremely namely intelligent and has a plan for everything and passion and passionate empathetic. Things will be okay. Yeah like that. That is a very I. I need that much. I need help on the way she's feels safe to me and And then you know. And that's an emotional response. Sir Can back that up with Oliver Policy and I've seen her for years on bill. Maher who you know is fine. I Love Bill Maher exactly. Yeah Yeah But he's smart guy. He's a smart guy he's always cut her on and I used to watch back in the day so I love her. I love her in the Kamala. Ah Tell me why you're upset that she's not in it and is it because well listened hermit. Her campaign made mistakes. Everyone does. It's not you know not I but I think my my whole thing was just that a Russia is in our elections now because they are not doing anything to stop it so I was saying to start with she I think Russia and reportedly trump thought she was the biggest threat and so she was the number one target of Russian bonds and Tulsi Gabbard. That was the I mean. That was a complete elite like somebody gave her the whole opposition playbook to drop on Kamla that I think it was just so unfair. But I'm just saying I think all of that has heard her and I. I think the media is doing some of the same shit to her that they did to Hillary. I think there's just a different standard so I I do think we're seeing some sexism again. I I you know. We talked about hearing the same likability thing thing you know. Listen unlike really that you mean has China what you mean last week when we were talking about with Elizabeth Warren. They're saying is she likable likable. They only say issue likable about female candidate. They say that about right male candidates. Well I you know. I think I think that might be because the overall you know long standing societal definitions of a woman. You know if you're smart. You're ball breaker. If you're like this you're that and then how can you be both smart intelligent well-spoken and be like it's like a one or the other thing and it doesn't have to be and this is what's so important about how that these times and how many women you has been natural candidate. Don't with as an actress in the title that you're acting you said people might think Undis- awful person but I'm not. I'm a nice girl like you have to even say I'm just playing a character. I did and often fans in the early years before Angel and before that character got three dimensional and became more empathetic will I wasn't approached. Did Not approach me. Oh my gosh. When the show was at the height of its height you know I would? I was out there and No people weren't so quick to saddle up and say what's up. Have a beer. No thanks when when you want to sit down and have a conversation with a bunch of gay boys. We were all all about Cordelia all about in common with Ivanka. Homeboy Diego. You did you send it down there till two thousand six. And he'll move from Vegas to San Diego when when you did when I was thirteen to Mexico and then committed stateside to Chula Vista Benita. Yeah I know you mom we have one other we. I was also an aerobics instructor. Oh you were yes. Isn't that like like acting. That's mostly lying isn't it. With last I am lying. Ah Do it again. Tom And I always cracks me up to limit various quotes of yours that I don't really see myself itself as being a sex symbol at all. Why does every sex symbol stay? Say That you just you don't have the same perception of yourself because I know what goes on between. Hi It's just no just not. I'm not thinking about it. I'm not saying yeah we not on your mind. We have a one other horrifying finding in common. I also owned a hot satin pants. Were you in sixth grade Yes I was in high school. I had pink hot satin hot pants with yellow pockets pockets. So you said you save natural Christian school when I was in Catholic school okay so you grew up in that strict. Did you have corporal punishment school. Oh yes we are. They take a board of Education with that was like a sadistic none joke that it said Board of Education on it would hit you so funny. Yeah Oh public school we were talking. I was just over. Thanks with my neighbors are principal at a public school. I had the board in his office and I don't know if anyone ever actually got hit with it. But it was there and everyone's like Mr Campbell has the board in his office. Yeah you grew up in Devon Nunez's district so it was not well Lord. I go for him none boot with what does she have two different kinds of weapons. There was there was the paddle with out the holes and there was a paddle with the whole exit extra aerodynamic whippersnapper. snapper up and get it wanted up Yup. Just superfund sister Luke that was semi sister. Charles Bronson I had principal graves me with the Super Aerodynamic Paddle with your children. No we do not mind going go oh had it. It speaks to the times in ages. I said to myself when I had my son and my ex husband at the time we both agreed because we had sort of like grew up in that environment at school and we both went to parochial school and then in our homes we had some you know serious violence so we decided we would never do that with our son and now that he's sixteen. I'm rethinking that I can't. You're you're like nunchucks. Violence decided they have what they would have in Catholic school. None Yeah Karate Kid I heard you on your podcast. Your son has a job. He does every time. I think of a celebrity with a kid I think. Oh that kid doesn't have a war child labor in one event because like shoe factories or something job. It's what I have job. He wanted to. He sought it out he came to us or his dad. And said I WANNA get a job because this is how Oh make my kid I also said he wants to become an emancipated minor. I'm like where Ollie drama runs in the family. You're out you're taping like you gotta here and a half to go thanks. That's labeled version of leaving a bag for dinner. I'm hungry yes it is. I want to be an animated minor. He wants total autonomy. He doesn't want to be told what to do. He's a he's I taught him well. What kind of job to see how he works at stories stories about her? Okay I worked at the Palace Movie Theater Concession Thing Yeah ICED Matinees of the greatest kid come up and just like drop a thousand pennies and go look for that. How big is the large coke? Funny they're staring at you. Think Abe is blinking. She's crazy. All right I wear lederhosen for my job. A lot of weight to explore this the Busch Gardens in Williamsburg Virginia German section of the park. And so I had to wear polyester lederhosen and did that impact you in any way absolutely defined defined define who you are today. Well yes this feels so true uncut sense so so oh this was very wrong. They were a polyester Kimono. When I was a cocktail waitress and I got? I can tell you too many goldfish crackers from the bar and I had to was is too big for my life right. Yes yes Mikimoto are quite Kimonos can be quite tight in the bus area. Yes when you're eating your weight goldfish crackers overnight. Look even more like an Armenian dude then so I didn't see him as you didn't pink satin hot pants. I sixth grade. Pink Satin Hot Hot Halloween outfit. I was like a roller der- thinking yellow dots. The seventies knew. You can nothing. There's nothing you can do. Okay all right so odd. Other key quotes cared. I don't want I don't I want to delve into the painful things. But this is fascinating to me this. Show that you're doing so it's a show your hosting and you talk about your own personal experience which was really upsetting. You survived an attack. I love this. They said she survives attack after attack. As a member of the scooby gang member Experienced it in real life. So yeah it happened you had something So this this is survived. Evil on discovery is 'cause it was on investigation discovery channel. It's no longer But it was probably One of the things that I've done most proud love it. Yeah it ended up being one of the most. I don't know how to explain it Cathartic sure but It's about finding your calling going in purpose. I've well there's nothing better for the spirit than that right but speaking with people that had survived things far worse than what I had experienced. which was was I was on the San Diego Beach Torrey Pines State beach which allow And I was attacked by San Diego Police officer who was attacking women on the regular. Yeah while they were with their partners what she's EXP- he was a rapist. He was abandoned under police officer and he wasn't getting caught because he was in those meetings which were were there are setting up sting operations to try to catch the guy and they couldn't catch the guy because he was in the row and so he would go in different locations that the sting operations would be in so it was quite crazy And he also I think the most most heinous act of all was just targeted young young girls when they were with their little brother and so that was pretty awful like ten and twelve asking her if she was ever agenda if she liked it. So that was that was Pretty Nasty and pretty dark you know obviously and I think when I got to do. The show isn't a brilliant time. Where enough time had passed? I you know obviously been through a lot of therapy around it and I got to speak to other other survivors survivors in a hall moments. When you're in the middle of crisis of when you decide you're GONNA win or you're going to bring them to justice or you're going to get through it or Whoa that was probably the most compelling thing for me is like when that human spirit prevails? Yeah you I mean you so you were two male friends I well he A gun so both your friends were shot and survive but you you grab the police issue flashlight. But he had his conviction. It handed it to me because I had said I couldn't do it because he didn't in the other cases to be fair use duct tape to bind the hands of the males. So there's really no getting out of duct tape right. So in my case he didn't have. I don't know what what happened there. I don't recall in the case. Why must must've been an impromptu decision to do it but he had been stalking me and he had been trying to break into my apartment? It was said but it was never brought up in the courts but I found out later from the district attorney. Who took took a liking to me and who I'm still in touch with today And he had used the belts From their pants and so it wasn't that hard to just go. I can't do it or whatever. And then he's like fine all do it and he hands me his police issue now. Wow thing. That had his The flashlight had his engraving his name. It was police issued to had an engraving on it and so I had held onto that the entire time which she don't I was it wasn't like A. It's just you did right. I guess what I did so Tied him to the crime which then and so he was convicted. I mean wow good for you so you and now. I know that you said in this piece. I don't know did you ever you were going to invite him on to you. Wanted to interview really did yeah and he declined. Yeah so he didn't want to. He wanted to move past it and he's changed end Really WanNa go there in this article on. That charisma charisma though. Is this really such well. I have to say with what we're going through right now as a nation this is so you just said what happens in a life. That person can get to a place where they it's a good idea to become come a serial rapist. I mean I have a child to child a kid go from normal to not. She said that this guy. The Hubbard grew up with an alcoholic father but it seemed like his life was back on track on top of this class in the police academy who was married with a baby on the way from an anthropological point of view. I'm curious what happened. I mean that really is a fascinating idea for a show. What is the nature of evil? And how does does it fouling. When does it happen? Yeah and still to this day. That's how I feel like that's why I wanted to speak with them. I'm just like what happy not not to be like. Wow you hurry. Whatever I like truly and this is how I feel about politics today truly want to understand like I really WANNA understand? Why how people take what happened? What was the crisis? Point like the boiling point of view. And I hate to say what do you think I mean do you think Donald trump is evil. Because I do I mean I really. I'm not a psychologist. I don't know people have called him. sociopathic often narcissistic personality quiz. Obviously something like this. Yeah I could go out on avenue and shoot somebody dead and get away with it that that is that is. I don't think that that is normal. I think that that is about as close to. You can call a president evil as possible like I don't understand that mentality pretty at all. I don't understand why anybody would brag about that or no way anybody would even say that out loud. You may think it does. Just don't say stuff like that right. I mean I know. Psychologists just talked about him as a duty to warn and all that stuff. But that is interesting. Isn't it when you think of this. Here he comes from all this privilege what what made him so cruel. Like why is I see so cruel I I would love. You know to have an answer to that. I have no idea. Yeah I think maybe sometimes sometimes having too much privileged can Kim and you have zero consequences and you have not earning anything there are no boundaries. Ever said there's just you know itself. Well run riot. Yeah I we've just never country been exposed to this constant meanness and cruelty and chaos and I think it's just just for people that are dams you know or not. I don't even want to call myself a liberal or a damn because I just feel like it's too simple to discredit credit. Everything I say because of that I really am just a person that truly just wants accountability. I want a person to Obey the law of the land of common decent. That's why we have police to keep people. There isn't chaos and it just seems like he's such an agitator for chaos chaos agent. Yes yes that's so well said I just love your passion and frustration just a person and what people spend. I feel like this should have not been partisan a long time ago. I don't understand. And and that's the my biggest objection attraction between the Republicans. It is really about each other yelling at each other because there's an agenda and we don't want him it's like I don't want trump in office because he's not an official. He doesn't represent me. He doesn't represent the values of most were putting people babies dangers. He's no there's no justifying that but I think that there is a need to condone or justify his choice in his behavior just because he's of of their party now but people forget he was not he was best friends with the Clintons. He was always a democrat. I know I know he wanted to win. I know yeah. He comes to use his power to help himself. Yes and make himself and to own the lips I guess the only the only point we say it's the only reason. Ah Why do you cut food stamps for seven thousand dollars just to be a dick so liberals will go. Oh my God because they can write and distract from. What's really going on? Tell us about the opposite. opposite-sex show it's your podcast. It sounds fantastic. You met a Christian. Is His name on a dating APP. Your friends until you talk about things things that are opposite to dogs and cats men and women. Yes I've enjoyed it. It was it was. I think we're winding down the end of the year. I think it's going to be the end for us. It's not going to go further at this point. I just feel that we're at a place that we're I don't know how to explain it. We're we're GONNA move on. Yeah I think I wanNA continue doing podcasting. I want to continue this kind of dialogue but I think that the things things that I'm passionate about are really not things that he's as passionate about and I think that we're kind of struggling on what to talk about and I don't WanNa be reined in on that. I don't think that he wants to be feel like he can't talk. You know I'm well. 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Dust Up | E6 The Strategy

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34:17 min | 7 months ago

Dust Up | E6 The Strategy

"Witness stocks from stitcher. We were all taken into a big meeting and and talked to about the johnson baby powder cases that we were going to start hearing about because they assumed that people in the general public or going to start calling in and saying. Hey is your product safe you know. I'm hearing that all. These women are getting cancer. Should we be using your product. Should we be using your product. Is it safe. That is the question at the heart of this series and the people responsible for answering it work for johnson and johnson and the food and drug administration the fda now we know what jay has to say about it. Talk pure talca safe. Despite decades of tests finding some as best as fibers in their product so gene. Jesus answers are hard to trust. Who do we look to the. Fda is supposed to protect us but as we'll see today they've struggled to give us a consistent answer as well and they don't always have the power to act. I'm natasha del toro. And this is verified. Today we're going to look at what the fda can and can't do when regulating cosmetic products will look at what happens when women try to raise their hands and say i think this talcum powder could be making me. Sick will walk through. What happens when a researcher raises his hand and says hey. I found his bestest in these products on store shelves. And then we'll look at. Why raising those hands doesn't trigger the response from the fda that you'd hope now. I don't want you to get overwhelmed. There are some wonky details here there. What make up the safety net and one important piece of that net as men to be when someone has a complaint about a product if they think the product is harmed them that the complaint is hurt but that may not always be the case in twenty sixteen karen bowler worked for. A company called alta resources. Jean j. them to manage its customer service inquiries when someone called or emailed or reached out on social media about a j. product. Karen was part of the team who bonded to their questions or complaints. Following the publicity surrounding. Jackie fox's seventy two million dollar verdict more and more women were calling in about talk and this is how cairn says. She was told to respond. Were to tell these consumers that usb empathetic to their cause into their plate with cancer but to tell them that johnson and johnson is perfectly safe. They do not. Have you know the fastest in their products. They do not have carcinogens in their products in it products are safe to use. Karen says that when a woman told jay she believed baby powder made her sick. The customer team took down all her information and wrote up. Something called an adverse event report. These reports are meant to document every issue from a simple rash to cancer. Care is job was to review records and make sure that every complaint was captured accurately. If a consumer called on monday was documented. Obviously on that. Monday and then went at midnight to the johnson johnson partner and then they had twenty four hours to look at that and get back to me to tell me to look at a certain record that was made. I could have anywhere between ten. To a hundred requests from johnson and johnson partners during just that day to look at different adverse events. That were documented. The prior day consumers concerns or complaints were logged by cairns company and then sent to jay's office of consumer medical safety someone there would look the complaints over and on some they'd send back changes they were pretty benign requests mostly errors There was no. There was no talk of johnson's baby powder being a problematic in any way. Karen believe jane j. when it assured her that baby powder was perfectly safe. She had used baby powder her whole life. It's as american as baseball. Hot dogs apple pie and chevrolet. I mean everybody uses baby partner. I used it on my daughter. My mom said she used it on. All four of us girls so karen felt confident that there was nothing to worry about. I was having a a happy hour with to of my sisters on a friday night. And we're drinking a bottle of wine and one of my sisters said to me. Hey karen i was gonna ask you. I use johnson's baby powder. Should i stop in. I said oh my goodness no absolutely not it is safe. you know. it's a latisha society unfortunately and you know what we've been assured that this product is safe and she was like okay great. That was on a friday by monday. She wasn't so sure. I got a request to remove a medical history because the woman's cancer that she was reporting was due to her product use. It was written that way in in that verbiage. And i feel it now. It's my heart sunk i thought. Oh my god. Karen didn't mind making small changes to fix mistakes but this this felt wrong we were asked to remove things totally altered the meaning. We are asked to remove things from a medical history removed cervical cancer from the patient's medical history. We were removing very important pieces of these people's medical history. I was very Very opposed to it from the beginning. I did it. I did do it though a few weeks later. Karen says the same office at jane. J. asked her to change another record and she says as more women call to complain about talk. Her team was asked to make more and more changes. Karen wanted to know what was going on. So she called johnson and johnson to ask. Why was she being told to change records. Because i wanted to know. What's the deal. You're telling us to tell these consumers. I call that. Hey everything's fine. Keep using the product. But yet i'm getting requests from the office of consumer medical safety telling me to remove all these things from these people's medical records because their product caused their cancer. She finally got through to a company lawyer handling talk lawsuits. She did ask me what what was my purpose. And that's what i wanted. And i believe i told her i want. I want the truth. I don't want anything. I just want to choose. I am. I am i lying to all these people. Her she sent. The woman was nice. She was helpful. Took down her information and her concerns and promised to get back to her but after that conversation. Karen says she didn't hear from the lawyer again. She wasn't sure what to do next and started asking around for legal advice. It's not like. I was looking to tell on johnson and johnson I just wanted to know if what i was doing was illegal and be moral. Eventually she connected with allen smith who had just wrapped up jackie fox's case he was involved in a new case in missouri and he asked her if she would tell her story in court so in october. Two thousand sixteen. Karen did something she never imagined she would do. She traveled to missouri to testify under oath calls. Gordon consumer complaints regarding ovarian cancer and use of thousands. Yes jurists as johnson johnson. Ever asked you to change the diagnosis of performs. I've been altered his trees. Wilders spirit and altered records consumers diners personally. Johnson and johnson lawyers didn't deny that karen was to make changes to reports but downplayed their significance. They walked karen through a sample change. One they said was meant to clarify customers product use and medical history after a doctor reviewed her information they sent. The report still reflected that the patient had cervical cancer it even said quote company causality was assessed as possible and the changes didn't impact how the report was classified in other words. These were minor changes. No big deal. After her testimony. Karen went back to work three weeks later. Her company's legal department called into a meeting and asked why she had testified. I really i think was miss john. Jay teamwork makes the dream work kind of thing you know. I embraced it. And i think that's that's pretty much all i was and that's why i do think that when they found out about i did. I think they were floored that it was me. I think they could have seen it coming from other people. In fact. I think that might have even said that to me but for it to have me. Yeah surprising. yeah. Karen was put on paid leave and then about a month later she was fired. The company said it was letting her go because of her testimony and it accused her of sharing confidential customer information. It was a big price to pay. Karen said she loved her job but she doesn't regret testifying. It would have been wrong of me to keep my mouth shut. So because i did it the only way that i could make it right in my mind for continuing to do it was to speak up about it. Cairns testimony didn't go very far though. It wasn't really picked up by the media at the time and it's been hard to figure out what if any impact these changes may have had. Karen wasn't asked under oath. About how many records she changed. She told us that she thought she personally made significant changes to roughly Hundred and fifty records over about five months but we weren't able to verify that number or talked to anyone else that she worked with. We still don't know if these changes affected whether these reports were sent to the fda or how the fda reviewed them. the agency wouldn't comment on what karen told us but if these reports did make it to the fda it turns out their system for weighing public complaints is kinda broken. A group of researchers analyzed adverse event reports from two thousand four to two thousand seventeen and found that the fda got almost forty five hundred reports about a possible cancer connection to tell cosmetics but for almost all of those complaints the name of the product and the company that makes it our blackout their redacted before the reports are made public. The few hundred reports that weren't redacted were for ovarian cancer related to talk us. Another big problem with this system is that it's completely voluntary for cosmetics. Companies like j. aren't required to collect or submit these adverse reports. The fda has only whatever information the companies choose to share reports that are filed directly to the agency. And because of that. The fda knows it's only seeing the tip of the iceberg comes to products that might be harming people a spokesperson told us that they have no way of knowing the extent of any adverse events that are reported and perhaps biggest problem may be very few people even know that they can report problems to the fda in the first place kind of makes you wonder how useful is a system that not a lot of people know about. That doesn't actually track all the problems and most of the time doesn't even list the name of the product in question. Even the fda admits the system's not working like it could after the break. What happens when a researcher finds asbestos in makeup for kits. What does the fda do then. And what more could it stay with us Our research shown the if you have one hundred products tallec products it's likely that A dozen of them are going to have some level of asbestos fibers in them. That's sean fitzgerald. he's a geologist. And the director of research for the scientific analytical institute in north carolina the lab does environmental testing including looking for a specis and talk back in two thousand seventeen fitzgerald was hired to test some tell based makeup that was marketed to little kids by a company called clair's there was even heart shaped compact with glitter on the outside inside. It had pallets of shadows shaped like flowers or butterflies. each pedal or wing was a different color but when fitzgerald tested the makeup. He found some alarming results. There was as best. At least one color of every palate in one kit had his best in four separate powders on the palate. I got friends all of the country to send me clair's samples and i found us bessis from sea to shining sea. That went out. Hit the popular press. Cnn nbc abc picked up the story. It ran and that was christmas. Twenty seventeen the chain. Clair's is pulling some of its makeup from store shelves over concerns. It contains asbestos a rhode island mother who works at a law firm specializing especially as cases decided to have the makeup. She bought her daughter. Tested turns out. It came back positive. The samples fitzgerald had tested came from ten different clair's and clears was not very happy to hear about results in the said okay. We're not going to concede that there's as best in our products but we're going to go ahead and pull the exact lots off. The market that were found contain these these alleged asbestos fibers. Clair's did agree to pull eight makeup kits off store shelves in december twenty seventeen but it also disputed the results of the tests. The fda decided to do its own tests of clair's makeup and just over a year later announced that it to found his best us in three different products. The fda asked clair's to recall the kits but clair's initially refused which is honestly pretty extraordinary and the decision of whether to recall those makeup kits for kids that the fda believed had a specis in them. That decision was actually clears to make. I mean i know it sounds bizarre. But the fda it doesn't have the authority to force a cosmetics company to recall products that it thinks could hurt people they can pressure companies. Yes suggest sure. But they can't force a recall for the cosmetics industry recalls our monetary just like submitting adverse event reports to the fda. Clair's did really wind up recalling three products but it was a pretty glaring reminder of the of an agency that we expect to keep us safe stunning. Actually how little power they have. Good morning the subcommittee will come to order. This hearing is entitled examining the public health risks of carcinogens and consumer products today our focus is on a group of widely used personal care consumer products that contain talq a mineral that manufacturers put baby powder for infants makeup for teenage girls and personal care products for people of all ages just a week after the fda announced it had boundless best-in-class makeup house oversight subcommittee held a hearing calling for stronger regulation of cosmetics. This is congressman raja krishnamoorthi a democrat from illinois. Fda authority generally remains weak in fact product recalls mandatory risk labeling an adverse event reports are just a few of the processes in which compliance with fda guidelines is entirely voluntary for the cosmetics industry. Today's hearing is just our first step in. Protecting consumers from potentially carcinogenic products. The american people deserve nothing less among the witnesses that the hearing were a scientist to research talionis best dose an environmental health expert as well as people who had been impacted by cancer. Possibly due to talk us. They had come to washington. Dc to share their stories and one of those people was marvin salter. It is a great honor for me to address the subcommittee on behalf of my mother. The late jacqueline salter fox by motor departed this life on october. Two thousand fifteen. Her death came suddenly at that time she was doing well. She felt at that point in her battle against ovarian cancer. She was winning. Her exact words were. God wasn't done with me yet but as as we came to learn like many women who suffer from this deadly disease victories can be short. Lived and celebrations are often cut short. Her disease re occurred with a vengeance. My mom lost that fight seated behind marvin as he spoke were a dozen women and men who had traveled from texas and california and illinois to be at the hearing. Some were very sick. With ovarian cancer others came to represent their mothers their wives or their sisters who had died from ovarian cancer. Marvin wanted to make very clear who he thought was to blame for all of this johnson and johnson. They lied to us all they knew cancer risks associated with their product but chose to cover it up instead. They protected their products and profits while putting innocent lives at risk. I asked this body use whatever power its disposal to assist in bringing about justice for my mother and for all women family who have been adversely affected by ovarian cancer calls by johnson johnson. Baby powder thank you after he was done testifying congresswoman ileana presley a democrat from massachusetts adam. A few more questions. Mr salter whether any warning labels placed on the talk products your mother used warning of the increased risk of ovarian cancer. No not not one single one Obviously we use this. You know from generation from generation My grandmother my grandmother's grandmother. My mom so Obviously in african american community it's a staple for Usage for haji freshness and not one single time has there been any label that stated or highlighted the risk of using this product whatsoever. johnson. Johnson was invited but didn't send anyone to testify. It criticized the meeting for being one sided in the choice of witnesses because they were connected to tau trials but it sent the company did support the idea of modernizing the fda's authority over cosmetics. Over the years there have been dozens of bills introduced in congress that sought to give the fda some real power to regulate cosmetics. There's even one pending right now but none of these bills have passed but there is something the fda could do right now related to talk. No new legislation needed in an earlier episode. We talked about how the fda had looked into setting a standard for testing. Tout for us. Festus way back in the nineteen seventies but it never moved forward with the idea. An fda spokesperson told us the agency backed off because it heard from industry that its proposed method would be too costly too complicated instead. It let industry regulate itself and it accepted tasks method favored by jane j. and the industry group the c. Tefa we actually have internal j. memos from the seventies where people the company and the industry association discuss wanting to get their standard in place before a more sensitive method was proposed by the fda today just as it's been for decades the industry testing standard. Is something called x ray. Diffraction or x. are de for short an extra d. it has some benefits. Here's geologist sean. Fitzgerald again if you want to know whether Thousands of bags of tout their coming out of your mind. That and you've been hired by the mining company. Determine you know is a safer non you want us a method that can see through a lot you want to run it through these with. You wanna run. An x-ray threatened to stream it through the x-ray streaming straight instrument picture big piles of talq on a conveyor belt moving through an x-ray machine it's very efficient and you can test lots of talk relatively quickly but that speed that volume it comes with a tradeoff sensitivity unfortunately x ray diffraction will only detect the asbestos fibers in the talk. If they're somewhere around a percent or better the of the whole talk. That might not sound like a lot one percent but again when we're talking about festus it is according to osha the federal agency that oversees worker safety there is no safe. Level of asbestos exposure fitzgerald was pacing around his house the whole time that we were talking and he happened to be in his kitchen at this point in the interview so he pointed to five pound bag of flour that was sitting on his counter and he said imagine. That's talk if one percent of that bag was suspicious fibers. It would be the equivalent of about four aspirin tablets in those four aspirin actually have billions of individualized fibers. That are loose in the powder. So this whole idea of of ninety to worry about. A concentration of only one percent is ludicrous. Now there are other more sensitive methods that can detect smaller amounts of his best us instead of x rays. These tests use microscopes. If you wanna make sure that there is no fibers could get into your lungs when you read it. Cause cancer in your lungs. Then you need to look as close as possible so the electron microscope because it has short wavelength. Because that's the most powerful type of cross. Microscopy is the best tool to make. Sure you don't have those but you have to look at a very small sample. You have to pay someone like me to spend hours at. The microscope will through it with a fine tooth. Comb better at finding specis but when you imagine the amount of towel that you can test on a microscope versus that conveyor belt through an x-ray machine you see the problem fitzgerald says the key to keeping us bestest out of talk is to do a better job screening it as it comes out of the ground but the best way to do that. He says there's no clear answer right now. No broad consensus right now. In this industry we are in crisis because our former former paradigm using antiquated methodologies is no longer adequate assurance that the towel can talcum based products that we're using today aren't contaminated with us fest. And when he says industry he means the fda to they're trying to figure out the right standard as well. The fda held meetings back in february to discuss new testing standards. That's why they're holding these meetings. That's why they're inviting people. Even people like me to come to washington. Dc to talk with each other to have these forums to try to address the problem because they recognize we're in crisis and we need to shift our era so once again there's talk about setting new standards just like the fda did back in the nineteen seventies but for now. It's just talk me. The agency hasn't figured anything out yet. Now there is something else. The fda could do to regulate talk it could mandate a warning on top packaging or ban it altogether but the fda has chosen not to the agencies decided that there just isn't strong enough evidence that tau causes cancer in twenty fourteen. The fda called the growing body of evidence supporting possible link between genital talk. Use an ovarian cancer quote difficult to dismiss. But then it said that. It wasn't enough for the fda to require a warning. And when. I hear that. I can see where the fda is coming from. They want conclusive science. But i also think back to the argument that we've mentioned before that waiting for conclusive science especially when we're talking about cancer. Risks takes too long and cost lives. The agency told us going to continue to test out products forest bastos and it'll issue safety alerts or work with manufacturers to recall products when needed so that's the fda strategy. Keep talk on store shelves and try to make sure that if the talk has his best as it gets pulled off. The shelves and fingers crossed that the company agrees but regulators aren't the only ones who can hold companies to account at the end of twenty teen public pressure on jane. J. really started to build right now. There are some major concerns over the safety of an item. A lot of us have in our bathrooms right now and actually use on our kids law. Yeah a new report. Claims johnson johnson new for decades about as best as in baby powder and cancer risks associated with reporting the johnson johnson new for decades. It's raw talent and finished powder sometimes tested positive for small traces of specis. The investigation says the Reuters published a big investigative story with the headline johnson and johnson new for decades that is best as lurked in its baby powder. Now remember all those internal memos letters reports that we've been telling you about and quoting from in this podcast. Reuters lead out those memos in great detail showing how the company kept information from the public about his best does in its talk products and the same day. The new york times published an investigation of its own. It was crisis for johnson and johnson. The company's response only increased. The scrutiny was facing finest may call their next week's faith yard this time pledged hall of -sego go back. You can even though your last name. 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Ep. 13: "Don't Eat the Frogs" (Intervention S11E03 & S02E19)

The Trash

1:16:51 hr | 1 year ago

Ep. 13: "Don't Eat the Frogs" (Intervention S11E03 & S02E19)

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Unlike herons are getting scared guys, so that's cool. Then everybody who has a yelp account needs to get shut down and canceled because they're all a bunch Karen's myself. What's the male equivalent of a CAIRN Chad really. Okay! I thought that was a thing for real. Chat or Kyle? Yeah those. Kyle seem those are both like really young names I. Don't know I. Feel like CAIRN's are like usually like a little like thirties or older older like a chat or Kyle seem just reminds. Kids Yeah R. Craig Craig. Sounds like. The worry though because Craig was also on Friday, and he was black and Craig. Robinson, he's also. I just jumped on Sarah's lab. Hey, what's Leo? Again. So I felt cold little pause. We. Know no new Patriot subscribers this week, but that's all good and we know it's hard times out there. If you can't deport patriots, Patriots Dot com slash the trash podcast data side Sarah at feel. I think you had someone that you wanted to do a trashy song or shoutout for correct. It may good friend Mary I. Think So. You said earnings said someone knows we. I mean if you WanNa just do it for her. We can, but I feel like you said someone else also, but if not Leo Leo the cat. Assure I. Don't think as we said, but I mean we can do Leo also. We could either do a song for Mary or my mom this week. Was that what you? Know I don't think that was did. Mom We we. Right, we don't marry then like so. Who's Mary what's her last name? My friend Mary Reagan. All Right? Can we get a little intro on whom areas because I'm not really sure who Mary is actually Mary is. One of my friends from theater school, she's a bad ass, bitch, ass, motherfucker, but a bitch ass a good way because she's got a good ass, and she's a powerful Bitch She's super witchy and dope and she's an amazing Madrid. Like. She's like spiritual than on a weak way like in more like wicked way. I guess Oh good. She's GonNa. Kill me for this. Like a hipster. Kuwait. Color hipsters and I'm just trying to I. Don't know I think I get what you're saying though. But fucking amazing actress, though like above and beyond. Most people. Yeah Yeah. What was your name again last name Mary Ray Reagan. Ronald. As a black man on a feel about that I didn't grow up in the eighties. Necessarily I, I was a kid so i. don't remember Reagan's. From what I hear, he wasn't really good for black people I know. She's probably great. Mary, Reagan's probably great, and like we did a song to Kaitlin Maranda yesterday and I realize like we're all in a group chat together and I did song just to them, too, and I was like man. That's like I should've done to all three of them and I felt like some guilt. Come upon me even though she didn't even guilt me for it so now I'm like you know what she deserves a song for herself, yeah! Guilt! Is it like? Catholic goat is like the same type of or no know how how Catholic did you? Do you know any Catholics? Yeah I know Catholics I. Feel like this. Is More like. Ballet guilt. Bowling. Better better. Oh, you're so good, but not the best. It was always like that, so we're going to do a trashy song for Mary Reagan. Yeah Yeah Yeah and Again this was just kind of like on the SPA. This wasn't something that was planned. She doesn't know we're going to do this. We didn't know we were going to do this, so we just. Shocked we just found some music like literally ten minutes ago and are going to try to do a song to this The song we the music we chose because Sarah wanted to do something that was eighties inspired correct. Yeah, so the eighties. Mary has really really really good taste in music like Mary's introduced me to a lot of released a little stool. Out of really cool stuff. Really cool stuff to listen to and for some reason when you said stools, I immediately thought of Randy Marsh Hall Talk House. Anyway Yeah. We're GONNA do this trash. Arts tools like mushrooms Did you notice illegally frogs? Good luck I read something like I. Don't know it was just randomly. If you kill a frog accidentally in California, you can't eat it anyway. Here's our trashy song for. Mary Reagan. Goad. This is getting into this Dan. We Regan On the floor. Floor. Reagan. Shot. It's breaking saw. She has a small. Black, swan she's. The. Laura. She's got a great mind. Also you guys. We're not just going to. Talk. Eighties pop some would have been about our ass and you pick. Give it up for that was. Our trashy song for Mary. Lovett yeah. Hey Sarah, hey. D-. What what time is it right now? Nine, thirty, four, nine, thirty four, but like what time is it though? To rest. And the news has been pretty fucking trashy lease. Even know where to start this week. Any Stories that you got I. Kinda WanNa. Let you start because I. Know There's a lot of things this weekend. I feel like you probably have been fired up about things I don't even know where to begin. Because I feel like so much has happened in the past week that I don't even know where to start really. I wanNA, just for Real I start off by saying rest in Peace Huey. Huey the singer of the hip pop lock and drop it. Oh yeah I read about that a he yeah, yeah, he got these. Only thirty two, some game, related stuff or you know the details. I mean problems Louis. Missouri and he was shot so I mean you put the fucking pieces to? Pop Lock and drop it. was. Remember. I. Don't remember it to. Also another piece of trashy news. Is. That locus are now swarming India so that's just another plague. Check that off the list, nate, do you have a trashy news story? Yeah I have a bunch of trashing stories. So, my first one is I, don't know if you know if you've noticed lately. A lot of Shit's been changing due to racial. Tensions are recently rising up again, and because of a lot of people had been removing certain episodes from their shows, and you know removing certain like monuments that were racist and now going like fuck that we don't want that up anymore. Oh. One of the recent ones and that is the John. Wayne Airport is moving to rename it because the was extremely racist O., l., yeah is. Funny I. Don't really even know the details of it but I. I can assume. He said the N. were a few times. More than a few and I can assume that he's just like. Has He's probably said the most like problematic shift towards black people were. Just looking at him, he looks. He think about it. The two most famous people named after John, Wayne are awful people. Casey. He was named specifically after John Wayne and then also. John Wayne Bobbitt. Oh name specifically after. And he's a fucking. Dick John Wayne. Name. Change it to I think they should change it till I Barack Obama airport. First Thing I. I was like named that Shit Eger Elbe Airport. I'm sure they could find like a way better saint. Both John Wayne A, but what city is it? Airport is in Orange County. There aren't that many like. Orange County people of color. They, don't they probably? Should name that airport after the Indian basis of no doubt. Dino his name Nope. No doubt okay. He was the one Gwen Stafani was with, and who wrote like dotes. Don't speak and. Ex. About dammit, I can't t law ISKOE. We can find out later if you were. To do it right now. It's loading. It's loading. This is my goal. Tony. Kanal Tony Ashwin Kanal. okay. I feel like I knew his name was Tony for some reason, but I didn't know the rest of his name, but yeah. His. You said they should change it to his. Tony Kanal Airport. 'cause he's a supersonic basis of Dow and then like he had to deal with. FANIS bullshit I feel like it would boost record sales for them, because people would go to the airport and you who the fuck is that I mean look it up and then Blake Oh. No doubt okay. Remember that one song bassist like. To but yeah, that's that's pretty much though. I'm down for take down all the fucking statues down all the races names like they shouldn't have. Their names remembered forever. Favorite things that's trending online right now is saying things that lasted longer than the confederacy. Then saying we should have statues dedicated to them, so I really liked it when they were like Gilmore. Girls was on for seven years. The confederacy lasted five. We should have statues of Emily Gilmore. BACHELORETTE's. Someone said we should also have statues of outcast. I think if not outcasts. Andre Thousand Zone Statue. Statue. And then like I think about in Ireland. I think it's an Dublin. Don't quote me on that, but they have a statute to the singer of thin lizzy. The boys will always be in town with that statue. Those are like we should. Just statues are rockstars. Man. so, what's your next trashy news story? Ron Jeremy's in jail. He's in jail. Now. Are Like like Huck I? Think it's like a six point six million dollar bail. He could go to jail for ninety years, but like that's not even anything already like ninety years old. Yeah, crazy when porn stars. That crazy but I mean you know it's kind of surprising? When a porn star gets convicted raisch not to me, because like those fools feel like they can do anything like the president said. Famous women will let you do anything just kidding. Take what they want. And that's the thing. I think it's just it's a power thing, and that's the. It's just I don't know. It's just like people who. Were who wouldn't be as lucky otherwise who like do that. It's more understandable. bowlegged Ron Jeremy has like had sex with so many different women, and he still felt meats like that's just crazy. `Bout that I know it's not about that, but still just saying it's still baffles you. When you think you're famous, you can do whatever you want. Pusey I'm Anne Mother fuckers. Up Down up down. But! Yeah, there's been a lot of shit coming. alibaba everybody I after KRISTA. Leah like it was just a snowball. But Shot Justin, Bieber, he was, he got accuse teens like. What I got receipts and he showed them all like. In footed shit. Is like I feel like now. There's going to be like a coalition of people just making false claims to try to like make the real claims look less valid. And I think Justin Bieber. Is Smart for keeping all the receipts, but at the same time it's like. Why did you feel the need to keep? But you know never. took. The stuff that I what I read about it I don't think it was a need to keep it. It was just stuff that was on surveillance like he just had like any. You know what I mean. I honestly like I'm. I'm team just on this one because I of course, but like he he the way he did it, and then the fact that he sued them each for ten million dollars, knowing that they can't pay that shit is so. She would have done a baller. Move like what Taylor Swift. was when she took her. The do that. Sexually assaulted her grabbing her ass during a photo opportunity and he was a DJ and she told him like. Hey, don't grab my ass, and then he went further with it. She sued him for a dollar. Really. Yeah, because it wasn't about the money back that she wanted him to have that on his mother, fucking record and I was like this is the one time I can be like yeah taste with. BET, Shaka? F, Justin BIEBER'S A. is it too late now to say some? Just. Say Her. Let me just I wanted to say. claps for Bieber. Taking a stand against these people I guess doing. But also I mean that doesn't cancel him on the inward a bunch of time, so boop batch it. You know what I mean like I, mean used to Kinda canceled in my book, but I'm just saying in this particular case I was like yeah, okay, good for you, anyway my next story just another trashy. Story based on current events. In Alabama cop was fired because he he put up a picture on social media. Cops are really dumb on social media. Lately, but he put a picture on his social media of black man, and he edited so make it like crawl across hair was on the black man. Yeah and is a protest I. Guess and he put the The caption exhale feel pause press data lead then what's next? And, he lost his job right after that shit like what the fuck is wrong with people who do this shale. Crazy it was like growing up. My parents were always like. Hey, be really careful what you do on the Internet, but then it's like. Adults there age. Don't take that same vice. Oh, so fucking ridiculous! It's crazy insane. Yeah, that's fucking insane and it's like. And how do you not come off as racist like doing some shit like that? You know what I mean like. It's like it's like they posted to. I don't weird. I. I feel like when they posted. They feel like they're only posted to their little races community, or whatever, but it's like the Internet, do anyone. Even there something. Like people are such garbage there. Oh, we'll. Proud of it, but it's like you probably have friends that don't bucking. Think the way you do die. I'm not saying to be smarter and don't post a key posting shit, because let's call them. xactly fire all the. Mother. Arrest them arrested at the. facebook on this facebook group. That's like white people. Getting punishment for their racism is a Kink, and it's just white people getting unlike people will post videos of like. Not even just white people people in general, just being super, fucking, bigoted and racist, and then like they post like were they work? Like then people go on there and they fuck imposed Heller reviews in Shit just to get that. Those people fired because like fuck them like I watched a video of this dude in Louisiana literally fucking chase these women out of his store, because he thought that they were trying to steal a cell phone, but it was their cellphone that they left on the counter when they made a purchase, and they just were like Oh shit I, gotta go back and grab my phone and he was. Dick, and now that place is not open any. New booboo. Can't do my next door just because it's in the same realm of people getting fired for Shit Yeah Next story that I. Have Speaking of people getting for Stupid Shit. I don't watch Youtube Lot I. don't know Youtube Stars, but apparently there's this youtube star name, Shane Dawson and he. He's under fire recently. people were giving them a lot of shit because he posted a video of. Him. Pretend masturbating to a twelve year old. Smith? Like on it like when she was a kid basically, and he put it on Youtube, I guess like I. Guess it was like this. Last Saturday I think morning our. No yeah, and it was basically it was. He was playing the video her whip my hair back and forth Omega. No, she was she. Was Twelve yeah I don't even know who he is. Like, Boo that guy and also fucking he's canceled. I. This just weird that you would do that. looked them up. No I just went on twitter is. Trending is trending, really trending Holy Shit. The thing the main story says. Jaden and Jada Pinkett Smith Callao Youtuber Shane Dawson. Resurfaces Jane and Jada. Pinkett Smith called out longtime youtuber. Shane Dawson on Saturday saying they're disgusted and done with excuses. After an old video resurfacing Dawson making sexual gestures towards a poster of a then eleven year old. Willow Smith and be clear when they say sexual gestures, he was, he was like making masturbation district, like he was Yeah Dos and posted a twenty minute V on Friday, titled Taking kind ability in which he issues. Are. Included black phase lane, this slurs enjoy. Do. Dude I love this whole movement like just like everyone just getting getting called out and getting nervous about owed shit they did. Jane and went off on Twitter Jaden. In, all capital like poems and rhymes. Own Letters. He, he connie tweeted he said all caps Shane. Dawson I am disgusted by you. You sexualizing an eleven year old girl who happens to be my sister. Playing, exclamation point, exclamation, point exclamation. Exclamation. US, furthest thing from. and not okay in the slightest bit motioned. Then he tweeted right after that this man was also doing black face on the regular. As the US, we need to support creators support us and our morals. This is not okay. Anyway just today. Learning who Shane Dawson is and like fuck. Never heard of this person before. Because I don't give a shit about Youtube so anyway. That was story Bush. Pieces shirt. KRISTA Leah Anyway You would do you got any any other stories, or is that R.I.P chucky cheese Turkey tease the the establishment. Like done forever. All of them. Like blockbuster they went bankrupt. The whole the whole company to chucky cheese literally has probably such bad like financial advisers that the whole Kovin. Thing really just shut all. Are you telling me with that pizza that they have that? They got shut down like really. Yeah, that's the best pizza in a kids place that I've ever. They were trying to sell pizza for five dollars. For pickup, but no one was. was buying wow almaz buying. Yeah I mean I think. Because you you just go to little CAESARS and get it for five bucks and I think most of the people who get pizza for five bucks at little CAESARS, not most of them you know. A lot of people are poor, but like in my head when I think of someone who goes to little to get a five dollar pizza, think that person probably also touches kids, and I think that it's safer. It is safer to coat a little caesars into. PIZZAS LIKE Isn't he could agrees there's probably a lot of pedophile like this is a traffic five dollar pizza. Chris. PEPPERONI! As the! There there was this real quick. There was a Chris Hansen. One where he literally said and I quote. He was all like, but he he's like he brought a pizza whatever, but he was hoping for a different kind of pizza. That's not even. Gel. Pine the Joe He coulda done something like he brought us sage pizza, but was planning on giving this child a different sausage, and then it makes me feel dirty. Yes, I think it. All makes me feel dirty. Fuck is going to happen to chucky cheeses band Oh shit, you know like just branch out and go on their own and just start going like punk or some shit. Like I want k pop to takeover cecchi cheese. Just the John Mara. Company in South Korea to bail out chucky cheese, but then make everything like K. pop themed. Okay Down with it. I think chucky cheese also already has kind of a K. pop. Feel in my head. It's like the big rat and I feel like. Most kids were scared of the animatronic band. I was super. Super into. It scared not into it, but yeah, no I was about it I was like this is fucking weird. Love. But that is the trashing news for this. Free trashy does again. We just went in. On. A quick trashy Trivia. Is it like hey. Sarah try these drugs and then tell me which one is which drug I wanted to do that, but I couldn't find all the drugs that I wanted to do so instead I just found a quiz. So we're GONNA do the quiz I haven't seen any of the answers. You haven't seen the quiz. It also I'm just GONNA WE'RE GONNA. Do it fresh for the first time and both guests so with that being said this is this week's version of. Do you know what I'm about to say? Nice, okay, so this week we watch intervention. Dingy new. Title of this podcast before you started listening that'd be weird if you type person just goes up, just play, and you don't read the title of the podcast. showed up to me and my cover of the theme song right there. Yeah Yeah that was Oh yeah. That was I didn't even notice. It was so subtle. All right. Incheon you ready for. It looks about twenty eight million questions all right. Let's go question Oh and it's A. It's because we watched intervention. It's an addiction based quiz not as fun, probably as the one we did for my strange addiction, but anyway. Okay question one. In the United, states, which substance is most often abused. A heroin. Be Alcohol. Or see marijuana. Let's say alcohol. I WANNA. Say Alcohol, too, because it's the most available probably of all of them. And, let's see. And, yeah we were most correct. Information at pop. A Little Bit Morbid Information, which is a lot of what the show was about six Americans die from alcohol poisoning every day. Holy Shit. That's a fucking fact, Goddamn. We'd be drinking wavy. Andrew Not To make light of all ISM. Anyway next question with regard to addiction. What are Co occurring disorders? a physical effects of addiction. Be Disorders that distract. Sufferers from becoming addicts. Or see mental health conditions that happen at the same time as addiction. Can you read the question again with regard to addiction? Co Occurring Disorders I think the last one. The mental health conditions happen at the same time. I'm going to go with that one because you're smart. You are correct, yeah. Honestly if there's a listener out there, that wants to pay for me to go back to college like Hey, yeah, she would. SMART. She's Hello Smart. And also try to get her on jeopardy. Because yes, please want that. We need the money. The a little bit more information about that one co occurring disorders may including Zaidi mood, disorders, psychotic disorders and other problems. Wow, tell me about it. Yeah, there's GonNa be. Kinda quiz. All right number three in the past month about how many Americans? Aged twelve or older user, a legal drugs ten million. Twenty million. Or forty million. In the past month. How many Americans aged twelve or older US forty? Forty million. Yeah, I'm, GonNa say the most. And Yeah we actually are wrong on this. Well apparently, it's twenty million, twenty million admitted. That's about eight percent of the population swelled. We're older I think we're so we're. Legal, drugs still. UH, All Right? How many times more likely are meant to be addicted to alcohol compared to women? I'm. GonNa say what are the? Sorry three times likely twice as likely or about the same likelihood. Twice as likely. I'm going to say about the same I. Don't know if there's a difference. Let me see. Motherfucker, you're right I'm wrong. Even know what's on the play your. Jobs there winner repressed. Are Much more likely to suffer from alcohol addiction. Now's extra. Yeah, that is true. Oppressed repressed enter a Lotta housewives like popping pills like the fucking God damn fifties. Smoke weed every day. Per Million People which ethnic group. Way! This is all scientific. This is a scientific quiz. Per Million People which ethnic group experiences the most alcohol poisoning deaths in the United States. Native Americans. Whites or Asian native Americans God damn it. All. Say the same because I did read. I. Definitely a native. Under half filled with that question, a little awkward right angles. visit. Like. Oh, hey native Americans just like drink. This does been legged will make you feel good and it make. For no money. Give me your daughter's. A hug grows colonialism. Are we just going to be like a few more here? A ton of them here, but we're just a few more A two thousand twelve study found that what percentage of addicts had co occurring. Disorder another court occurring thing, aunt talk forty percent. Fifty percent or sixty percent exte- person. Had A CO occurring disorder in two thousand twelve sixty percent. I'M GONNA say forty to different and the answer was. And people with reported mental illness were twice as likely to use illegal drugs. I. Mean Come on, you don't care if you're not there, yes. So medicating do bike to more here, okay? Penalty question. About what percentage of Americans older than twenty-six tried crack cocaine. have. You ever tried crack cocaine. I'm not either so that we're out of that equation about what percentage twelve percent four percent or seven percent. Of Americans older than twenty-six tried crack cocaine for. older than twenty-six. I am going to say seven, I think. It's higher than let's say. You're right. It's for. I was wrong I was wrong. Do. The additional information crack is often portrayed as a destroyer of lives due to it's addictive high. Yeah, that's like a Lotta people like avoid crack until it's like they just have to like. Settle for crack. It's I, honestly think crack is not often sought out. Crack his leg. Your Life is already shit, you're you're just like fuck I'll whatever and a friend somewhere like you WanNa try crack, and you're like. Yeah, whatever I don't care like nothing matters and try it, and then you get hooked in in ills. Shout. But this whole quiz and this whole like intervention thing is a little bit. Down or so I'M GONNA ended there that such scratchy. Want to depress you too much with this the Dixon. Promised, this show would be more fun. Go on. And on, did you? Did you look up any? Information on the show before we get into the trash part of it. Yeah, I researched our show smart. Stop because I. Don't like doing it. I Live for research so this week we watched one of my favorite thing eight, saying this one of my favorite shows. That's ever been on television. It is the wonderful classic intervention thing need naming naming naming naming. Is The fucking theme song. It puts you on edge. Your skin goes pins and needles like your withdrawing from heroin very long to they play it for the longest time. Oh. Yeah, because they really want you to be unsettled. Intervention is an American TV show up course. Americans love to explain the pain of other American also be shooting myself in the foot here in in uninformed but I'm. GonNa going out on a limb and say what other country has as big a drug problem that we do. Like? We have a pretty big drug. In comparison to other countries right I feel are other countries that are known for doing it way more than like. Drug addiction is exacerbated in white culture, a lot and American culture, oppressing onto other people of other callers. I think white people fucking. I feel like. My friends who were Peruvian Shit like they go to Peru and people like do cocaine recreationally in cody. It's not like a taboo thing and like I feel like in the united. States because of dumb ass. Christianity. You know dumb ass. `SMS and Look down I guess in a way. That's what I'm saying. Is that like we have a problem? Because we made it a problem wearing other countries, they do it, but it's not like a problem or anything like that. when I was younger, and I worked at a fucking cut rate hair salon I worked with people from. Korea and Vietnam and. France in Mexico and all over the place. and. They were all just like Ya Americans. Don't teach their kids how to drink. That's why you guys have such badly. Binge drinking problems here is because in Europe. In other parts of the world you're taught. Alcohol is not like this crazy, awful thing. That's GonNa fuck and it's not. Pass. Grab sorry to get you on the tangent there. That's like he can get back. The American culture. Is Part of the problem. So the show premiered in two thousand five on a any. Any known for the first forty eight other amazing show. Basically, it was a quote documentary series that followed people who had drug, addiction or addiction problems in general so eating disorders or like video game, addiction or Just bad habits like near that ABS that became obsessive and their lives. And the family and friends were the people who would call the fucking film crew, and at the end of the filming, they would have a interventionist. Come in, usually. It's Jeff in Vondran. Who tells I really that? People love them like crazy. Or Candy Finnigan who is a gem and Yeah, so the family gives them an ultimatum like hey, you either like. Go to Rehab Shit or by because we cannot be depressed anymore. And the thing that sucks to like a lot of people on that show. The families were like trash. People who were like garbage to these people. A lot of the time and then sometimes like that wasn't the case, but most of the time it was you know these people had a lot to be guilty about so that's just fucking. Say That right now. Yeah, there's a lot of them that I've seen where it's like. There was a lot of abuse and like molestation. There was this La. Heavy. This is a lot of heavy stuff. In two thousand and thirteen. was like we're not going to do the show. And then it got picked up by different network Oh. When the show ended for a little bit, they did like recaps of like. Where are they now and a lot of people are doing really really well. So I mean. That's the treatments actually help a lot of people a lot of people, and then like a course. There were people who you didn't quite yeah. There's always gonNA yeah yeah. But yeah, that's like pretty much. When I got, there was a backlash of course, because a lot of people felt like intervention, really Exploited people. But at the same time if you watched it for more like a documentary learning aspect It wasn't but some things that were very. There was always like a moments where it was like. At. What point do you draw the line of being a filmmaker? You know 'cause there was like. We're going to talk about it later, but let's say there was like moments were like they will let someone get in the car and drive when they knew they were drunk and I'm like Oh. Okay, but anyway that's. The. Background yeah, COOL! We're going to get into this trash by the way I want to say for me, personally This. I would say is more trash. Because of that I think like of how some of these people, maybe not all of them, but some of them definitely were exploited. I would say like watching like and you know one of the crazy things is the show on for like what twenty something seasons still going still going on right now and the funny thing about that is. How many times can you say hey? This is a document. Eat I was feel like you'd be suspicious at this point you'd be like Hey, is this intervention? During? The I think that's why they changed filming from the US to Canada. Okay great because in the US people were catching on. They'd be like this better. Not Be fucking intervention. I feel like I would do that. Like. Let's get into the trash talk about. No. It this is my. Wish you were. I remember. Blitzer Addiction! Is it coke? Yes, it causing that one on the my straight Dixon. Back now one not two, but all three. Are, the only two shows about addiction you. Probably a ton of fun anyway. We watched my strange addiction now. He gave me a watched intervention that we know. Let me finish. Let me finish my sentence, we. My strings addiction weeks ago, but this week we watch intervention. That's what I was GonNa say if you would let me finish anyway I am a Wordsmith I. Anyway. We watch intervention. You know I tried to find some fun episodes. Thing. When you when you're watching intervention there, maybe there are a couple, but they're mostly not. But anyway we're just GONNA dive into an episode. I watched episode Sarah. Watch a different episode. We both kind of watched. Both episodes, but we both chose are on episodes of winter like talk more about the one that we chose and serious gonNA go first, and who was the subject of your episode? And what season episode was it if you remember? Sell. My episode that I. was someone who um when I watched it. I was like fuck this person. Is just like he exude when she said that she fucked comma this person. Dismissing Pants, person but fuck. This person was so amazing, and the worst things had happened to them that I was drawn to this episode because it was just one of those very unfortunate stories of someone who could be so bright in Cheney and. They weren't shine Umbrian again that even they were like Shining Din- Dole math rock. Was that the drive? Okay, so it was season eleven, episode, three but episode one hundred and fifty five in the intervention series so damn. He was thirty four from Toronto Canada. He. Loved Crystal Math or math problem in Canada. I mean there's a math problem within communities. Is there okay? Because as he even talked about in his episode, he was like crystal. Meth is a part of the gay community because like. It keeps you up all night and peppy. And your yeah. The? Fifteen minutes it's. Just one six hours basically, he grew up knowing he was different and. Made it very obvious to him. That was not okay that he was quote different. His mom was. Richard Richard Okay. His Mom was Jehovah's Witness. Who is very strict. His Dad was probably was the beginning of his problems that his mom was a Jehovah's Witness. I I know a lot of Jehovah's Witnesses. Who Asset? To show. Not Saying that all of them, but you know where there's smoke anyway, so like He. He had this stepfather. Who is Super D- Dick? And would quote disciplined him severely for his effeminate Behaviour Aka. He beat them horrifically physically. Shit out of this kid because he was gay and it was like he couldn't hide who he was like He. WAS A Halt or something or well? I don't know they don't even talk about Israel data. All I know is is he's got step siblings that are quite a bit older than him. and. He's got step siblings that are quite a bit younger than him or half siblings. So have siblings that are quite a bit older half siblings that are quite a bit younger, so his mom was in. Fucking, Mary. The really fucking times at least. anyways, no judgment, but his mom socks so i. Feel like I can say that. BE POOBAH so. He was living in Lake. Subsidized Housing League section, eight kind of but like Canadian style and he bases. Feeling instead I just feel like Canada takes care of people. Colder. No. Yeah, so he lived in like subsidized housing and he's done everything from like sex work to bunch of other stuff to try to support his addiction. he recently had started shooting up meth. He used to just smoke it and SNORT. It and stuff and like do GHB ZANEX and Ketamine and like club drugs and Crete newt. In. It. Could not only. What? One, thing that like really sucked for him to though is because like when they talked about him as a kid it turned out that not only was his stepfather beating the shout of him since he was five years old until he was fifteen, which is when he talked about it, he'd been getting molested by like a family member a close family member. And at fifteen tried to kill himself and was in the hospital, and that's when he told people that he was being molested in like his entire life. And his mom did the right thing, she like get them prosecuted. She took him to court and they weren't even like sentenced to jail for a year, they were sentenced to jail for less than ear. Like, he had to deal with this horrific shed his entire life, and then they finally like try to get this person some kind of justice, and it's not even it's barely a fucking. It's not a punishment. And that just affected him throughout his whole life. Because then when he got older, he would solicit sex from people, but he would want it to be an like incest. Yeah, remember that part watching it. He would. He would want it to be like. They were related to him like in some kind of. Like one of the things he said was that his dating profile. You suggest say if you're into incest haller. Very direct. That's yeah. Definitely would get what you yeah, that's. And one of the quotes that they have UNDIS- intervention website was he said I've been waiting the desires of adult males since I was five years old. Yeah. That's weird, and then he's like whenever I have sex I. Just I WANNA, be the boy I WANNA to be the boy I'm like no. No Oh? Oh, it's so sad! It's so awful. It's so sad and awful. And then his mom has all this guilt, so he just fucking will turn on the tears and manipulate the fuck out of her to get whatever money he needs in part of me is like I. Don't blame him, but at the same time I'm like Fuck Dude! It's obvious. She knows she fucked up lake. So sad and then she she Said something. Because of what happened like there's no way I can't help my kid like I have to help him. He's my child. He's my child and I have to. Means like get get him drugs and she's giving him money to paying his rent, and it's like you're not helping him. You're just making everything worse. You think you're helping, but you're. Doing him. It sucks because I totally get it from all angles And another thing he said, was that the reason why he has much anger against his mom is because all she had to do. was quote not let people beat us or fuck us and she didn't even do that. Was a thing. Like told her and she didn't believe him or something. Just, as she just didn't, she wasn't aware. Of like this woman's in idiot in her interviews. It's like God. You're dumb man, and then I feel bad for her, but at the same time it's like if you're that fucking stupid, don't have kids. So awful and complicated in. It was just so scary because there were times where he would like meet up with random people in hotel rooms or meet up with random people on the street or in a park, and just like suck their Dick and get like twenty bucks, and like he'd have to suck so many Dixon a day to get them enough money story reminds me of that verse from. Don't from waterfalls from TLC. Go to sin, Simwaka folks. That's like his life that verse like. Crazy, you know one of the worst things was like he. He even said he was like equate sex to love, and if people aren't having sex with me, then I don't know if they love me. And it like blurred lines of familial love to, and that's so fucked up, do you just the whole thing was so fucked up like no. was like doing crystal Meth for all this time. Yeah, you know, and then it's like he was like such a performer. He could have been on Broadway. This dude was about it. He lived performing. And that's another common thing or common theme I seen. Intervention is people who like constantly live to perform and be the best and impress, and it's like y'all are never going to be that way. His. Brother was a dick. His brother was an asshole. His brother was just like when we intervention like I'm going to remind him that he's fucked all of those up, and he's an asshole and did it and I'm like dude why? Like if you're going to be like that, don't be there. Well I mean like I agree, but I always kind of feel for the the brothers like the siblings and dot the sisters, because like they there's they have their relationship with their sibling. And you know it's they love him obviously, but like the whole situation frustrates them, and they don't know how to deal with a lot of time, so they like they do the whole tough love thing. To help when it's not gonNA help, but in their minds. It's helping. They're like. Oh, if I'm like just tough with whatever that'll fucking jolted out of it or whatever, but they don't get that. That's not. Further into it. Yeah I guess it doesn't make those people garbage, but I mean like I'm gonNA call them garbage right now. Because like no, you can assume I'm just trying to. All sides whenever there's still garbage. Sucks because like when you when you talk to the people at the addictions like whether or not, they're like a sociopath or have like a personality, disorder or mental illness like. There's so much pain behind the manipulation. I get that being manipulated sucks, but like an intervention is not for yelling and being like your Dick. You're an asshole all. It's about like. Hey, you're hurting everyone. You're spreading your bullshit onto everyone else and we fucking love you. We just want you to get better, so we can all be better. Yeah, you. That's not the time to be like. Towns up towns up your ridiculous Knicks sucker or you know. I would that would be a very fun intervention. Our remember on. It's always sunny yeah. Imagine, that wins you WanNa, go to an intervention like that if someone just like. The intervention where everyone's drinking wine out of a can going. Intervention intervention. Jn. A great episode. So homeboy goes to his intervention. His friends and family or there. He's got a surprising amount of friends and there. He walks in. He sees everyone. Can dips. Really is one of those he owns a lot. Yeah, Oh, he'd like ran. Yeah, he did a poll. Yeah, he pulled a poll. He just ran away. He pulled the poll from Ninety Day fiance and just ran into traffic. Literally he like dipped, and he fucking sprinted like dude. He's on Crystal Meth. He's the fastest man alive at this point. And then the only person that could ever be Hussein boat would be someone on Christmas any random. Matt. Go to the tender line pass out crystal meth. An award winning Olympic athletes. There's probably there's probably an Olympic runner somewhere tenderloin, but we just haven't. Exit. Anyway. Way and then his friend chases after him. Because that's what Jeff von, von Grins at or whatever. Jeff Wagner in the intervention. Goget Yeah I wasn't just stuttering then Mondrian and his friend runs after him, and she liked grabs his arm while they're in a crosswalk and he's like pushing her away and he goes good off me. You fucking freak. All know this is such a scene and they're a bunch of dudes Toronto, dudes and business suits just the atom, and she grabs his little man purse, and it breaks off his shoulder and syringes fly. Oh my God! At least thirty syringes. Hole. Where he was Oh, so he was like intravenous and. He was intervened. Way I'm GonNa say he was intraveneously taking. Math Okay Okay Yeah and then he ran away, and then they somehow got him back. And then you know whatever he decided to go to treatment he went to treatment got sober came back. Home relapsed. Cam for like God. I want to say like six months. He relapsed went back to treatment and I think he is still sober to this day. Yeah and that was in two, thousand, twelve or thirteen. Cool. Yeah like it well, that's good I. Mean It's good to hear that they got sober. At least at the end he got sober and he was a very very cool fun artistic person. Yeah, who? Just had a lot of bullshit having to him really young and didn't have any way to deal with it. Yeah? Well that's interesting. Yeah I mean that was a very very sad I, want I. I watched that one. Too viewings to get through the whole thing. Because, it was pretty depressing. one of the main reasons why I'm not a huge watcher of intervention but the one that I did I watched season two episode. which was it nineteen? and the person was Sylvia. Sylvia was I'M GONNA. Get all the details wrong. You get the gist. She was an older woman like fifty sixties. No she was in her. Fifties. She was in her late forties. I'll. I'M GONNA say fifties. That's what she looked like to me. She was in her looked like she was in her fifties. She looked kind of like. A like a cross between like a net binning. and like some random care, and like I was like inbetween. I was GONNA. Say blanched Deborah Blanche Devereaux. WHO's that from golden girls? Stress I. Don't know but anyway. Sylvia my girl she sylvia and was. In Holly or she. Yeah, she wasn't alcoholic. She basically her story. She wanted to be actress. So She worked in like fashion or something. I'll. Show. She wanted to be actress. She likes succeeded. She was in a professional dancer singer. She was on the Dean's list in college because she was such good finger She was on so operas for a little bit. And then she became a housewife. Yeah. She married some dude. Who she thought was a great do whatever he ended up being a Dick He beat her a bunch. I'M GONNA. Keep. My insurance was going to give you the fucking facts. He beat her a bunch He ended up being an asshole and she started drinking a lot when she was with him. and you know she. She wasn't really happy with their whole situation and eventually divorced from her husband, and he took the kids, and when he took the kids. That's when she kind of went down into spiral of alcoholism and it. Okay go ahead. Crack me whatever. She had that one husband with the kids divorced, and then she got married a second time, and that guy was physically abusive guy. so yes, she was married to that guy. He was physically abusive. That's when she started drinking She lost custody of her kids because drinking and then he divorced her. Lake the fuck. and. I'm pretty sure that's because lake. When she lost her kids, she lost those child support payment. Yes, she was getting like nine thousand a month. There's. Getting a lot, and then she stopped getting that and then. And, then she went into spiral unless something happened between the I don't know. You're you're on your? Track and then she started working in a clothing store your because. I just wanted to give the facts. About what happened, but like just like the basic facts like she basically became an alcoholic after that situation. And she was like a functioning alcoholic. She used to work the reason. I mentioned before she used to be in fashion she she made like over two hundred, thousand a year, and now or at least at the time of the show and the second season. She was at the time of shooting working at a clothing store. Do you remember which one it was or no, it was just like a small kind of teak. They, the head of the caption, she was working at a clothing store. That's all I'm going to go with. It was some kind of clothing store, and she basically would like every like five minutes. Find some excuse to leave and down a bunch of bus. She would go buy a bunch of blade bottles or like little tiny bottles of vodka. Fund one's a little fun. Yeah, the little tiny bottles by those, and then she would go on little breaks down. And she died. We'll just go on her car and just drink em and shit throughout the day. was like fucking Joe. Three breaks before eleven thirty. She was going hard, and it was. It was funny, because it was one of those things as a smoker. I smoke weed, and sometimes you know. I'm high at work I'm you know whatever we all are I? Think sometimes and sometimes when I'm high at work. In my head I'm like nobody knows like whatever, but like everybody fucking knows that you are the same thing with Sylvia like she thought no one knew she was drunk when she was at work, which by the way she didn't even take a breath mint, she would just down the go back inside and she's fitting. Old Women for Blazers and the thing that was so sad is like. She seemed really good at her jaw. Being drunk may have helped her with. Because she's like L. Sweetie. Rash Shows someone who's worked retail for fifteen plus years of my life. Being drunk would probably help a lot. Islas allowed to drink at work because. She wasn't allowed she. Anyway. Even her boss like at the end of her workday, her boss polder. She's like bitch. Okay Sweetheart, so I'm a have someone. Come pick you up go. This was in North Carolina by the way. And they're gonNA. Take you home. because. Will you know why? We don't need to say why. Fire her bitch for drinking on the job, but also it's like she probably sells. Shirley sell. Shit you know. Oh, you mean like in the store, she. Said Cell just thought she probably is the highest back in sales quota. Anybody. Who is just so crazy though because she would like, buy tiny bottles. Yeah and she was. Cheaper. I think that's that's the only reason I can think that. She did it also to hide it maybe. The in her head. She's like if I get the small bottles than it's not like I'm really a drunk I. Don't think she cared at that point. Think she was so aware of the fact that she was an alcoholic I. Don't think she cared. I think it was hired. I think it was just that like when she was in the store. It's easy to like just down a bottle and throw it away I think that's part of the reason. Yeah, interest at all her like liquor stores she went to. She would walk in up to the cash. Register has sweetheart can get like six. Those little red tops. Thank you so much have a blessed day like she's so nice. So put together, and that's part of the problem because she always looked so put together and then like. I think at one point. Her bosses are not her bosses, the producers. Even we're like all right. We literally can't let her drive right now because they let her drive all lot when she shouldn't have been driving the absolutely, the producers would straight up just film her door, claiming off after chugging double, but wasn't a moment in the whole entire. Episode where she was sober, so she got in the car and drove. The producers were like responsible I. Think M, my my if. They were hundred percent. That's the part to me. That was trashed and this episode was like I. Get it that you're trying to capture the reality of the situation like wh-. You're just GONNA. Let her fucking killed Hella people. And Yeah So. And then when they did decide to drive her car for her when she got out of her car. This poor Sylvia's. She took two steps tried to shut the car door. Bell fucking just. Face I. Don't know if you ever this is. This is a reference that only like two people will get, but like if you watch wrestling I, don't know if you've ever seen. Billy Gunn when he does a flop. He does this thing where he like takes a few steps in you just like. Falls forward in his face hits the ground and shit like she did today Mike a Billion. Flop and she tried to give up Youtube. Starting to get up and she fell back the other way who? You. Like, it was so fucking off. It was awful, but in my head I I hate to say this is fucked up, but I would just imagining like a Benny Hill Song playing. Fallen in so. Same Time Life Fuck. She's lucky that producers were there to. All The Times. She's driven like that Jesus. Fuck Lady. No wonder you lost custody of all your damn kids, yeah. An instance she wanted to be an actress. She would get so drunk and she would like read these letters. Her kids would read her, and then she'd sit in her garage chain. Smoking cigarettes drinking vodka being like I love you mommy because you ruined my. I was going to mention Ashi. She was very. If, she never mentioned it in the whole episode that she wanted to be an actress. At one point, you would know because there were so many scenes where it was like I understand that she's in pain and she's an alcoholic, but it was so dramatic like the way she was doing things like she would. She would clinch her fist and just well. It's. Much you just kept saying over and over again and it was like at first I was like Oh. This is sad, and then it got to. The point was like Whoa and my watching like the best performance of she should get an Oscar for this shit like this is dope. That was part of the problem, too. because. She was so manipulative in performing live about so much. It was kind of hard to feel sorry for her in some at sometimes. Because she was like you said there was one point where she was screaming. She was like. Base and you're like damn. She's doing her best Tennessee Williams right now like. Even pulled a trump where she she alabama's. Inches all like well I guess. I gotta go. Go and put on Facie. No one do like she was. Ally you're. Yes. She was kind of acting out how she would just act normal, and like whatever, even though she's fucked up and drunken shit, and then she said the best put of all time. She said. I'll just go and perform I've been performing all my life. I was like Okay Judy Garland okay. Okay like getting like I'm Kinda into that. Also. It's like again. Oh my God like with Richard and the other episode. They're both performance. Ask people who always felt like they were performing their best, but yet it was never good enough. Yeah, fuck, do us all a lot of. Kids? Anyway. Skip to the intervention. She does lobbing. Anyway she. She actually did. She didn't like run physically like poll, but like she got there, and she opened the door slightly and saw her family, and then she close the door immediately. It was all like my family's in there. Like what the fuck I think. She realized it was intervention. Is You're right I? Don't want to be here. It's just walking away and then like the guy. What's his name again? Something Fan. Whatever he was like Oh. She's go get her. Family. Run out and tried to taste for down. And they got her, and they brought her back, and then she hugged everybody cry and I guess she hadn't seen her brother and along. Yeah, because you know she was. Really missed you. Honestly think that's the only reason. Bossy southern folk. Yeah Definitely She eventually did say she would go to. Rehab and I think the only reason why. She said because her brother was there because she hadn't seen him in his letter was very eloquent. You remember what it was. Now. He brought up some random like obscure musical performance. She did when she was in college, and he was like I remember telling everybody like that's my sister up there and I was so proud of you, and then all your success, and then you raise this beautiful family, and then you know you this happened in. It was just like. It was and then at the end of it. She's just like I can't believe you remembered that performance like what and like you could tell that it kinda struck a nerve with her because she'd only been an alcoholic for like six years. Hadn't been at long. You know so I feel like they got her a good time. She went to Rehab Right. Yes, she decided to go and I'm I. Don't remember when that episode aired, but they said that she had been clean ever since. Bush's trouble is anyway. The intervention song that happened. Man But I'm GonNa end the trash here. Because a so depressing, I want to just get it over with. Go ahead and sing. Your Song Means you know. to to. Steps you. 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"Look, we haven't been fired. Taking vacation. Everything's fine will be back on Monday now. Let's see what's going on marrow. Goodin talk. It is Chris in for Armstrong and getty. busy busy hour here, my friends. We'll talk about defunding the POPO. We'll be joined by the Attorney General from the State of Utah. The Utah Sean. Reagan's joins us. Here coming up been a little over ten minutes, so we're excited to have Sean on as well and then Kevin. Cairns and Cairns gone. Wild, my favorite thing to come out of. Twenty twenty so far. My favorite aspect of twenty twenty is the Karen Culture off just. In his so fantastic. because. There doesn't seem to be any shortage of acting absurdly who tend to fit into this category that is being affectionately called. Karen so we'll talk more about that coming up this hour as well starting with the funding the police. What does that even mean? It's a good question. What is the fun the police? Me! And Sadly It seems that if you were to ask any two people who are protesting on the streets and ask them. What does that mean the police? They probably would not have the same answer they wouldn't. They wouldn't answer that the same way. So. How in the world can you have any sort of? Any sort of conversations going to lead to any sort of reform if you can't even agree on what your messages to start with, this is where I've said this all along. I've said this. For the last couple of months, and that is that the protests are disjointed. And There's a there's a good. There's good and bad and I'll tell you why it's good. Contrary to popular belief. By some people on the Internet's. A disjointed protest does not mean that you've got a well-funded organized protests. well-funded organized protests have their act together. 'cause nobody's funding something, that's just completely willy. They WANNA. Have a message. They have a purpose. They have a goal in mind. That's the nature of organized. Anything's all right. If you're a member of an organization that organization has goal and they worked toward that goal. So. I think when we start seeing the protests. And I keep hearing about how antique is in the middle of the Senate is driving and all this other. There is no organization. There is nothing here. That would lead us to believe that there is a centralized mindset. There seems to be a lot of angst and anger and people say we want change, but the message gets completely deluded after that all right that. Is Indicative of an on organized. Grassroots Organic, movement. The problem, however, while that while while having an unorganized grassroots, organic movement is indicative of a group of people who demand some sort of change, and they can agree that things are not the status. Quo Is not okay. What it does however is, it leads us into this. Sort of quandary of now what? What do you want from it? People really the answer that. They don't know the just go something's bad. Now there have been people along the way that have tried to identify. What are we want? What are those demands? But they can't agree. They can't agree on what that might be in fact I was. Here. From CNN and I know a lot of you hate scene. But here, this is great. Does defunding the. Please mean disbanding the police. According to Philip MC Harrison a doctoral candidate in sociology at Yale says it depends on whom you ask. He's also lead research policy associate for the community resource hub for safety and accountability, so he's the kind of expert rand. Paul does want to listen to says some supporters of divestment want to reallocate some, but not all funds away from police departments to social services and reduce the contact with the public to reduce the likelihood of police violence, though city to disband police considered funding an initial step toward creating an entirely different model of community led public safety. The concept exists on a spectrum. and. The two aren't economist, but interconnected both Interpretation Center on reimagining police safety looks like shifting resources away from law enforcement and toward community resources. It also means dismantling the idea that police are public stewards meant to protect communities. Many black Americans and other people of Color don't feel protected by the police according to mackerras. So, what does it mean? Man I got a word salad from a doctoral candidate, and it sounds like some people want to completely disband police forces. We know it and come up with a totally new system of public safety. Community led public safety. What does that going to look like? because. I got to tell you. I have a lot more trust in somebody. That's gone through a police academy. Right, they've gone through the police. Academy. They've received some iota of training I. Trust that person long before I trust. Willard on a golf cart. Right if we're talking about community led public safety, and that turns into the same kind of community led public safety like the guy who's enforcing my Hoa. Willard isn't protecting. US Willard is not gonNA. Make community better and Willard. Let's go to his head. We see the new GEICO commercial incidentally about the Hoa people that come through cutting off the mailbox because it was two inches too high. That's the Hoa people so is that community led public safety. I don't know. I'm. I'm willing to take a look at other systems. Don't get me wrong I'm certainly willing to take a look at other. But I don't WanNA throw out the baby with the bathwater. So. It makes sense. I. Don't want to say. Well, it's not perfect so. We throw it all out. Let's start from scratch. Okay. What does that perfect system look like? How do we head toward a more perfect system? Right is not going to be perfect, but how do we get? Closer to our idea of perfection when it comes to policing. And I and I'm really. that. We have a lot of people saying defined or disband the police and I think there's a difference between defunding and disbanding with people that are screaming this. They don't really know what what that's gonNA mean instead. I want to know what that looks like instead. One guy that may have an idea on this is is a law and order gentleman by the name of Sean Razzie. Is the Attorney General in the State of Utah and he joins US next to talk about. What does that even mean defunding the Police Chris? Armstrong and getty. Getting shower. Talking about the defunding the police defunding. Disbanding. What does it mean what's happening? In Different States We're GONNA see some some meaningful changes. Sean res- is the Attorney General Integrate. State of Utah, and I mr as so much for joining us here this morning, and it's a it's an honor and heavy on the program Sarah I. WanNa ask you about this defunding. The police where you stand on that what that what that really means is as far as. Legislative action or even now I guess in in your case enforcement of different actions within police department. So I'm GonNa let you have the floor here and I a bunch of questions for you but Mister Asia. Thank you so much for being on here, so tell me a little bit about the defunding of what that looks like in Utah. Well first of all great to be with you Chris to be on the show. I think there does need to be some meaningful change and think law enforcement realizes that as the top law enforcement officer in my state. We've been working. On a number of these issues, not just in the last two weeks, but for the last many years at least while I've been in office in the wake of two thousand fourteen after. Garner's death after what happened with Michael? Brown Ferguson I sat down with leaders of the National Urban League with end ablaze. listen to many of their concerned in concerns in a few of the things that came out of that. We THAT WE EXPERIMENTED WITH IN UTAH. They've been very successful. Creating mobile crisis units that allow a therapist to go out with law enforcement, not in lieu of law enforcement, so we have both advantages of someone who's better equipped to deal with an addict or perhaps a domestic violence situation, but also law enforcement, which you need a traditional In case, a situation turns violent, which can happen very quickly, it can be. Deadly in just a matter of seconds. another program for Mental Health, health and wellness four law enforcement officers. Some don't think about a lot when they're. Putting, situations with highs, dramatic cases over and over again they're tracking down child predators and have to look at child pornography. was that the murder scenes Dealing with rape cases. Trying to get them healthy changing the culture of a warrior mentality to one of more of a guardian mentality, I think the flagship program for us. It's been the most effective. Chris has been violence, the escalation protocol and Training Program. That is very comprehensive. We use at the. Office trained over thirty five hundred of our law enforcement officers multiple times throughout throughout the last few years. A. Product a system called the virtual system made by the company by the same name. which is a highly immersive three hundred degree surround sound raised platform fully actuated system cutting edge. We use real weapons that are Co. two powered laser-guided but we put officers in the most stressful confrontational situations, and it's a smart system that we can modulate depending on how well the react and respond. We can escalate. We teach them how to use their their voice understand what's happening physiologically changing their posture and it's been a very effective tool, and we could layer it on top of that cultural training a add on You know information. We're working just last week on a protocol for dealing with the autism community to make sure that those in that highly vulnerable community. Aren't misunderstood by police officers, responding to situations the hearing impaired community, certainly communities of color. And, so I think defunding the police is not A. I think a healthy approach. If you truly want law enforcement to be able to recruit, retain and train the most highly prepared professional you know unit. You need to not default in fact you may need. To increase funding something that you're both Bernie, sanders and president trump agreed upon and I will say quickly that many of the programs that we're talking about in the de-fund. The Police Dialogue Restorative Justice Brugh courts after school programs I think those are very healthy. Things we should be looking for opportunities to increase funding for those, but not by taking the being from law enforcement, least traditional law enforcement fighting ways to combine them. Them and complement each other. I think most powerful tool that we've seen in Utah Chris, the Attorney General in the State of Utah. Sean and he joins US right now and I like a lot of what you're talking about. Especially when we talk about the technology and things like that, tell me more about the mobile crisis units. You said that that involves not only a law enforcement officer, but also somebody who's trained specifically in things like. Drug abuse or or family therapy. Whatever else it might be is. Is that something that we have to see an injection of funds in order to to make it really work so now you're paying fulltime counselor and you're paying a law enforcement officer and is there in your point by the way about things escalating quickly as is understood. Believe me is there. Is there any way that we can see? See cost saving looking from a budgetary standpoint Eric, not just a funded because it's a political standpoint, but I'm looking at it from a from a budgetary standpoint because I'm concerned with seeing budgets continue to grow and expand and growing pensions and pension crises states around the country. So is there a way that we can keep costs under control, but still deliver the different services that you're talking about? I think so, but to your point. Of course you need to invest. If you want the best you want, the most capable of whether it's on the therapist side or trained law enforcement officers going be have to be an expenditure of some kind of funds that said we have found very creative ways to have the private sector lean. To me keeping government as lean as possible an out of the way, is often the best solution and having the private sector really. Look when it comes to for instance, treatment and therapy, there are many centers which would offer up free services, but The I need a catalyst someone to cable to get the the folks who need it most do those serves, and that's where law enforcement has traditionally been asked to do something. They're not particularly well equipped to do here. Instead of taking them to to be incarcerated pregnant. We're taking them to recovery centers. Not all of which are charging so to your point. It doesn't necessarily have to be an increase in budget can be. A reallocation could be rethinking creatively how we're allocating resources. is their way to lock that in. You're talking about these private centers who are not necessarily charging but I don't not a very the business model so desert away lack that in so that they don't come back to you after after you've been working with officers for a while and the officers have said look. We've got somebody WHO's got a drug addiction issue. issue. Let's get them into some therapy. Let's go on and all of a sudden somebody says you know what we're. GonNa Start, hitting the department, or we're GONNA start. Hitting, Utah Department of Justice for for these these these fees I mean. Is there a way to work with people in the private community? Make sure there's no surprises in the future. Sure I mean you can actually lock them in, but I think more than that I think once people realize how effective the system is just to keep all communities safer, including communities of color. More and more and more of those organizations I mean that the private sector largest at least the leaders that I've worked with WANNA, do the right thing. They wanted the thing. That's helpful supportive without having to raise taxes without having to increase costs, and so they would readily allocate in one. Some of them see there's a lot of peer pressure in terms of doing the right thing. I think many more would answer and he the call give you one quick example. It's not exactly pertinent, but it's similar We had Beth who were calling our office desperately in need of some legal representation. And, the funds there weren't budgets and I didn't want to increase anymore. Taxpayer burden sweet. Just call it. Private sector law firms friends people that I knew managing partner. Saying look I know you have pro Bono requirements every year. Will your firm allocate a thousand hours of volunteer service to represent our vets you? You call fifty law firms and pretty. Pretty soon you bank fifty thousand hours, and you solve something you know. Law firms were more than happy to do that. They were they were jumping in line to be able to give service back. I think that's not the answer to everything, but it is scalable, and we need to be looking at solutions like that Chris as part of the larger equation. Sounds like you're trying to put Utah at the forefront of some some meaningful reform and Sean I. Thank you for doing that to our Utah General. Sean raise. It's been a pleasure having on the program. It went by very quickly and I appreciate your your your thoughts. Got On there yeah, Take Care Manica talking to you. I love hearing things. love your and things like the warrior versus Guardian. I think some of that is changing the mentality of what we see on the street, and as Sean put it making sure that we're recruiting and retaining the best officers I think all too often. We think of that You know that person gets a little. You know the vets that have been there a long time. You can tell it's been there a long time. The kind of have their stuff together versus the rookie cop mentality. You know what I mean. Dog on all rookie cops, but you know what exactly what I'm talking about so sounds like he's trying to make sure we keep the good ones weed out the bad ones and that the training takes an emphasis away from a warrior and puts it back on being a guardian protect and serve I appreciate. Is that going to be enough for and Karen, who were upset about their mansion, having far too many people walking in front of it. We'll discuss in just a few moments. One of my favorite phenomenons twenty twenty. Karen's Gone Wild. It's next Chris Merrill from. We are vacationing I. Hope that's all right with you. We need arrest now and again. Worn out. Merrill's going to let you know what's going on in the world. Indeed indeed, thank you guys. Look forward to your return. In the meantime, we'll do our best to hang. Hang on here. Hold on the Fort So. We've been talking about. The defunding police have been talking about the protests with the protests took a strange turn this week. When all of a sudden we had, protesters met up with my favorite new group of people from two thousand twenty minutes the Karens. And if you're unfamiliar the, Cairns are pretty great. Care are basically the name that we assign to any? batty, White Lady who feels like her entire life is being impeded upon. She's the kind of person that wants to call the manager about everything. Okay, so they get very. Upset and in what way. Why? So, they get all in the Internet is littered with these. I just started following new account on the twitter. Machine today, Karen's gone wild underscore. His twenty four thousand followers. It's pretty fantastic. So, it's full of all garrity so I'm not just gonNA randomly grab one but they're great is just a CAIRN to felt like they've been really. Really infringed upon. like this lady in Florida. Who didn't want to wear? Excuse me. I don't think she was in Florida. No no I think this one was in Ventura right. Yeah I think she was in Venture Yeah Ventura. California is very upset. She had wear masks. Protests face coverings. I am a healthy American. Mara used to be free. So I I. Think it's easy to understand your mistake there. The the philosophy she has, it's very floridian, but her presentation Reams Theater Group. Thank. She's done improv before you're correct. She's and she's. She's an older woman who Harkin back to the golden age of the of the the big screen. Am I right? Yes, yes, it's almost like she's got a weird. mid Atlantic affectation to revoke. Healthy American of can overacting yes overact. I'm a healthy American. The Americans have allowed me to play now. She's wonderful I used to be free. I am not a terrorist and seem she has told. High school students with groupon to her Improv classic. From Your Diaphragm at least twenty times in life. We want to let the good. Out in the bed of the rain in Spain foles mainly in the play, a used to be free. Ab Not a terrorist. I am not ANTIFA No. Not a sex flay. That wears masks for less than thirty five dollars. Certainly not. And Not a sex slave that wears masks. I am not into Sado Masochism in bondage that's tragic. Good I liked I like the passion of the energy. You're on your like a nine to one read at seven. Let's see how that sounds so my confusion with this is I am not into sadomasochism bondage. And how did you get your break? I don't understand how you possibly would have made it too far as you've ventured in your film film career, I am not a burglar. And not pandering politician like we see here and here and here and here. You're right. That's good, Sean. She brought it right back down the crescendo and then bring it down. Let's bring them in now? This is like the NPR. Trick, right? Now that I've come up here. Come right down here right and. Chris. I. Am a proud. Trump Republican trump republican yearning. It'd be free again. Shame on all of you. Liberty, rain. John Bless Oh my gosh, you're right. She did. She broke right into so of course she goes into song. She has been wondering why she didn't get her big break on the silver screen for years. I mean at some point. It's just like I am the real American. A Yankee doodle Dandy right. How did that not happen? So if you're bell, actually get proxy brought props. Yes, yes, poster, board with politicians and antiques, and that's what she was banging on which was like I am not antifa see and not ANTIFA. Banging on the board seats picture of Antigua so theatrical. Love her. except I gotTa Tell You I. Don't know if it would work out between us. Because I am not into sadomasochism and bondage, right? What about like our anniversary? A little bit just like some fuzzy coughs or something. So the Cairns are fantastic and what we saw. Go on in Saint Louis. Is One of my. Favorites, this was the Cannon Karen. If you're unfamiliar, it's IT's a couple of people. Their names are not actually Kenan Karen I I think it was I. think it stuffing buffy. And so these two in a private gated community they are attorneys who have done very well for themselves. They have this massive spread. And they're the kind of people that end up in like the better homes than yours and gardens. So and they do. They've done photo shots. Photo shoots inside their homes. So. there were protesters that were trying to get to the mayor's house and they thought they could cut through this private gated community. Get to the mayor's house, so they could. But that didn't stop them from getting into the gated community. One report says they just opened the door that there was a man door at the front gate. But then there were photos of the gate, actually being torn down some sounds like we gate was actually turned out. So they come out and you've probably seen the photo. He standing out front with his his izod Polo, his Salmon Pink izod Polo. Incorrectly holding a sporting rifle because thumb over the barrel like he's new to action movies or something, which is a huge pet peeve of mine when I watch films and I, see the actor holding the top of the barrel. Think shoot that one time see what happens. It Burns a lot and then his wife, who's dressed like the hamburglar standing out front with her double 007, seven a pistol. So, what is what is there? By the way she. Oh finger off that trigger unless you ready to pull it. So, what's the deal? They were on with Chris Cuomo, or at least the husband was and so cuomo goes on. Introducing and he introduces. The Guy is being a very successful lawyer with his lawyers. We're now joined by Mark mccloskey. He is the Saint Louis Homeowner. We told you about I in that video. That's all over social media. holding guns keeping protesters away on their opinion from their home on a private street. He is an attorney, and the couple also has outside counsel joins us. Now Albert Watkins. Thank you both for joining me. Love it with people show up for interviews with attorneys. He's GonNa Command. Attorney needs an attorney. That doesn't seem like that. That seems like. Not a good indicator I think it's a Goto. Imaginative Dr Faucher showed up for an interview with his physician. Wouldn't that be the go like okay? We're talking to this expert on immunology Dr Foul like yet I brought with me. Dave Day was an internist. Just in case I say something dumb. He can correct me and we can spin it real fast. Genius Do counselor and Mr mccloskey slash counseling. We can talk about the legal rights the facts by WanNa talk about not having a right, but whether or not something is right I which is. How do you feel about becoming the face of political resistance to the black lives matter movement. First of all that's completely ridiculous statement. I'm not the face of anything opposing the black lives matter movement i. a person's scared for my life. Who is protecting my wife? My Home, my heart, my livelihood. I wait and he just said he was protecting his hearth. I think he did. I've seen the magazine spread. It's pretty nice. Who is protecting my wife my home? My heart might be. He definitely, said hearth, my heart, my livelihood I was a victim of a mob that came through the gate. Oh, he was the victim. I didn't care what color they were I didn't care what their motivation was I was frightened. I was assaulted and I was an imminent fear that they would run me over. Kill me! Burn my house, and you have to have this in the context, of Saint, Louis. June, the second of this year, I, watched the city burn I, watched for seven eleven, smashed in looted and burned for forty minutes on live television with nobody showing up to do anything and I realized that time we're on our own. When bad things happen unpredictably turn really bad real fast that same night retired sailors, Louis, police captain. David Doran was murky site about people coming in his neighborhood now scared, he feels and. And how he had arm himself, and then point the guns that people walking by, and I actually get this sympathize with him i. feel the same way every year when Christmas carolers come by I'm like get out. What are you I? Don't know that you're just GonNa Sing Jingle Bells Hark the Herald Angels Sing No, you might be coming here to try to take my stuff and I just got a new Sega Genesis. And you come in, and you're trying to get my second genesis I will pop out. Some. skit out of go. Get outta here. With Your Carol of the Bells Yeah. I totally get what he's talking about I. Totally get it. More Karen's gone wild. In just a moment. It's Chris Merrill in for Armstrong and Getty. A? Armstrong and getty shows. Express Lane for Armstrong and getty back next week. Hold onto four for the time being as we've been talking about the protests, protesters, and then response from people who are terrified. And Frankly I. Don't think they'd be so afraid all the time. And I can't get over this couple in Saint. Louis that that stood outside their mansion. Waving firearms are up right I. Just can't get over that and the the guy. If you're unfamiliar, so the Doing. The pink shirts made its way around social media pink shirts. Wife dressed like the hamburglar mark. mccloskey is his name, and they were on CNN talking about this, and he really feels that he's the victim. in in the whole episode now he lives in a gated community. somehow it's beyond me how this happened, but evidently the walls didn't hold up so The, the protesters got through the gates, and then made their way through the community. They thought they could get to the mayor's house. They were trying to protest the mayor's house because she had read off a list of of people and their names and addresses that had written a complaint letters, and they weren't very happy about it, so they were trying to get to her house, so these protesters come into this gated community with these multimillion dollar mansions, and he stands out front with his wife. Totally you know armed to the hilt, trying to scare people off the away and waving guns around and people and he says he's the victim. When it was a mob, I didn't take the time to see their their birth certificates or anything else I was defending what? We mean. Sean, have you ever stopped anybody and ask for their birth certificate? No I mean maybe the president, but that's it. When it was a mob I didn't take the time to see their birth certificates or anything else. I was defending Mike My House my life. And what I've spent thirty two years building there I understand what you say. Your rationale was to be clear. Did anything happen to you or your property? Well, there's a there's a key point like you were threatened. DID ANYTHING HAPPEN I? Mean imagine if this guy felt threatening. And somebody came, came through and knocked him over and stolen stuff. That would be totally different right, but it's not Jamie Happen Yeah my my. Life has been ruined I No, we'll get to that Mr mccloskey I don't mean to cut you off, but I'm saying that night. Did anything happen to you your family or your property? Yeah, it's called social intimidation. It's called terrorism. Chris, what's the definition of terrorism to use violence and intimidation to frighten the public? That's what was happening. Tonight's what happened to me and that's the damage suffered. O. K., you get the feeling. He's the guy that sues over ridiculous things like Oh, I was socially intimidated, and then people really mean to me on facebook, which is such a Karen thing to do? This whole thing with Cairns. I just I love the Cairns to death. I'm a little concerned about what we're seeing with firearms popping up though. Right I don't think we need to be waving. Firearms around although there he claims that they went and got their guns after they saw protesters carrying arms, and I understand that I. Totally get that. Protesters were waving waving firearms hold on. I'm not going to a gunfight. With I'm not showing up to a what what's what's the fray? Sean? I'M NOT GONNA. Fight Yeah, I get that I. got it. I. Don't know if there's any evidence to show. There's been a lot of a lot of. Photographic and video graphic evidence from that whole scene. I haven't seen any other firearms whatever. I'm a little concerned. Though we've had protesters carrying that homeowners popping out with guns because I think of the arm protests that we've seen at various capitol buildings over having to wear a mask. and think of different Karen's who get upset about wearing masks, and and how? They shouldn't have to wear masks because they're not. What by and not a sex slave that wears masks right so I'm a little concerned about firearm showing up at different protests, I mean pro, suppose you, these people protesting at the Capitol Buildings and the counter protester show up and they decide hey, Bubbas over there. He's got no mask on, and he's got a confederate flag waving ar fifteen. Maybe I OUGHTA mount up to. If! I see a firearm knife. You'll get a firearm because I don't WanNa. Be The guy that shows up with a knife to a gunfight. Everybody ought to just consider leaving the guns at home, or at the very least get a concealed carry, so they're not turning protests for liberty and equality into a contest to see who has the biggest swinging. Sport rifle? There's my concern is the escalation is happening is all of a sudden. It's like mine's bigger than yours. We'll minds bigger than your minds big in the minds. is where I think concealed carry actually worked out really well because it's like. If you're concerned about your safety, you know you gotTa sidearm. Do you need to be waving it around and showing people that you're I mean you don't need to use it as an intimidation device, right? Meanwhile Cairns are going crazy. What? WHAT'S THE The Spitting Karen? Thing is my favorite I love it. When just crazy wait women go crazy. You have cut thirty-one Handy there. Not. To. Hear God say. We have. Methods? America. Not. sliding. Oh my gosh. These Karen's gone crazy man and I love him. And I feel like if we arming Karen's that we've really put together. What is like the the caring team? The K. team. Armed Karens to protect us all. If you have a problem with no one else could, and if you can find, maybe you can hire. Tease I, feel good about that. I feel like we need to add some parents to our team though. Maybe we just add let me see I an add clearance. So? We shouldn't have never had our beaches closing the first ones. Everything you want about Florida, but just keep in mind when you say those things you are not talking about Jacksonville, you are talking about Miami where they got all the Mexicans drinking. That glass imported corona beer here in Jacksonville. We know what we're doing. We're going to be just fine, so you'll need to. Begin. Preparing Pity lunch! No you can't. Look at the either garbage here. Nothing I just wanted to ask. Long. You can't say that word. To your. Our. Long with you. Waking you up at four. Know I'm sorry three three. Parents are you okay? Calmly I'm not attacking Ma'am. You flipped me off. Guys this plate numbers live. Merger and Karen you flipped me off talk. You cut me off and flipped me off and now you're paying A. Man. Would you like to calm down? Maybe nobody. Auto! Cleaning. Maybe nobody. Nobody? It the for. that. Record. Be? Turtle Let. Attorneys gotTA. Love You my favorites Cairns Gone Wild Chris Merrill in for Armstrong and Getty.

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Body Positivity Perspective From a "Skinny Girl"

Unsolicited Advice with Ashley and Taryne

1:05:15 hr | 1 year ago

Body Positivity Perspective From a "Skinny Girl"

"WHAT'S UP Marquez Brown? The here? Aka Hd, let me borrow your ear for a second to tell you about my podcast way form over the past decade I've been reviewing all kinds of tech on youtube everything from smartphones to tablets to electric cars to headphones, two TV's and everything in between, but even with over a thousand plus videos I've always found. There's more to talk about so way for him. Comes to you in the form of a chat show between myself and Co host Andrew Manganelli longtime member of the. Team where we discussed everything we haven't had the chance to dive into in the videos, so we've pulled back the curtain and talk about how we look at new tech behind the scenes on actually making the videos will chat with fellow creators and guests and do mini reviews of pretty much anything with an on button. There's rants. It's all on way form, so if that sounds interesting to you, you can find us on spotify apple podcasts or anywhere. He listen catch over there. So today me and Nash Wearing Coffee Redid per the US, and then Irish, loves this like big ultra. What's it called? It's called yeasty boys. You see boys and almost every time we've gone to get coffee in the mornings. Especially, I've noticed. It's like before recording days. Yes, like. Feeling like I need I need to be on my game I. WanNa feel a certain way and to be honest. There are few things that couldn't put me in that place and. One of them's coffee. The second thing is bagels banks. So we're driving. We get our coffee. We get in the car and I was like ash and I appoint, and she sees it and I could tell it was like. Oh, she wanted so. We need backstory. What's? This truck isn't always their own, and now it's not. It moves around La like like a moving target. You never quite know where it's going to be I know that it's like near my house every once in a while and I'm sure there's an outbreak like fall around or something like that, but I've never done that yet. So backstory is not always there, so she freaks out. I was like all right. Let's do I. Stand in line forever and then. Then, it was so I didn't even tell you this like you know when someone says something to you that so far out of like the context that your mind is in that you literally just like you don't know how to respond you to stare back at them. Yes, I've done a very rare I'm a very like I can. I can socialize and. Kind of navigate any conversation, even awkward people I can make it work. Yeah, I could see that the I got caught off guard today. I wish I was there. Yes, so he was like took order, and then he was like hanging a name. And I hesitated because I, knew I was using your credit card because I didn't have a car, so it was like Oj Ashley, but then I was like. Oh, no! I'll just say Taryn. But it was an awkward like the guy was probably like you do know your name writing like hesitated. So then I said tearing, and of course he said Karen, and I was like how dare you and and I was like no Taryn, and he goes. Oh, Taryn like the earth. and. I literally was like Terron what? I've never heard of that ever. What does it mean like the earth I don't know. I don't. See my face, I literally was just any no mascot, and so my eyes. We're just blinking. searing. What and then I was just. Walked away. Oh my God that's so interesting side note, have you seen all the Karen? MEMES and host and all the Karen stuff going on right now? There's a lot of cairns out right now. We WanNA. Clarify. You're not one of those Karen's not. In and when I called caring, it's usually like I'm doing something annoying in its that it's it kind of sucks. Because the other day I saw on CAIRN post where this lady whose name was Karen was like this like I hate this. This is insulting like you should take your instagram down because instagram was like. Like exposing Karen's or soccer or something like that and Does suck. Day like culture will randomly grasping name like imagine. We talked about this the other day, and I was dying. Like imagine you birth this beautiful baby girl, and here like I'm going to name her, Tatyana. Then you turn on the radio and it's like bus. and. Like, and you don't even know what's going to happen, so all of these Cairns are like. Why is everyone trying to ending? I didn't do anything shoot. Yeah, that just. That's just very unfortunate. I. Know a couple of Cairns. Yeah and I know if I mean one of them I don't think really is on socials, but I know the other one is I'm sure they're just both like. Wow, yeah, that sucks and came out of nowhere. It's not even share. They can't. You can't do anything about a whole done. It's done thing. Yup, so Yeah, that's that's sucks, but guys just back to the BAGELS. I have witnessed true love today I the way because of Covid, obviously, everything's like takeout to go so me and me and Taryn have gotten this down to a science. We will hop in the car. Terrence. Dog Charlie comes with us. I drop her off at the coffee shop. She goes picks up because we've already ordered it. She goes picks the coffee while I'm waiting for her. And then she will come back with the coffee, so not I had basically. She waited for the coffee, and then when we saw the BAGEL truck, she walked back out and had to wait again, and at the BAGEL truck took a long time because it's a big deal when it's around, all of us are like very excited and People Wanna go wait in line for it so will you said to? Usually they have more people right? Yeah, well. She said they were taking a long time, and I was thinking about it, and I was like. Oh, I bet because of covid regulations they can only have together. There's only a few people like one dollars, even someone outside. Oh like taking orders you know or whatever, but there's at least like three or four people at the truck and saying there's only two and I. Bet that's just how it is right. Yeah, so port for us to Bagels, but I posted a story today, and because I was just so excited to finally have. but they re posted my story and I got it Gosh. Love Them. Maybe you know for my thirty first birthday. Maybe cater shut up. So, that would be the best part. Like desert type K I make sure they have you know they have like the cinnamon. Yeah, cinnamon bagels with the blue. Chips. There's like so many options so I'm sure they could make a special one for. ME. Like okay bagel track for Ashley. It was a frigging long whine, and then it's just like it's just an awkward out in public. You know you have the people that get too close, yeah, the people who? act like they're terrified of you. And then everyone was like getting annoyed his. It was taking long so by the time I got I I was just like. Thank you. Thank, you lord back to my birthday. I, do you remember G G? WHO DEEDS BIRTHDAY? Cake. Mental out just just. Not In your head got in your head and. Guy Who's hello? We're very excited because we're doing A. Normal super basic unsolicited advice episodes. Back to just like our roots, you know or we talked to you, you talk to us. We are advised like that's what today's episode is and we're very pumped about it. Yeah, it's you know me and Ashburn talking about our. We've been talking a lot of our. What does. Not lifelock. Lake, right like I mean live hasn't felt normal over freaking longtime. What are we on? You just said we're on day. What guys? I have been very diligently. You keeping track of how many days we've been in quarantine and we just officially hit ninety today. That's insane. it was one of those moments it was one of those huge moments because I remember being like. Wow, we might. We might hit fifty. Yeah, I remember us being like. If we actually get to fifty, we should do something and then like I swear. We blinked and we're at ninety. We're GONNA hit one hundred and ten days in a crate. It's not going to be lifted and ten days, so we're officially going to be at one hundred, so we're talking about doing something big. If you guys have any recommendations, for should do let us now. Let's a celebration for being walked in Your House. We have officially like I. Finally went to my first restaurant. Oh, yeah, you said that carry. That was a very exciting experience and it was. It was cool, because like I walked in and. Went and sat outside. There was no one there. So. I felt very safe and comfortable I had my mask on when I went in and then. Once, we got outside them receipted. I felt comfortable servers wearing masks. All of Okay Yeah. That was very. It's still very strict by. It was so exciting just to. Go to your restaurant, it'd be waited on I. Don't think I realized. How much money is spent going to restaurants? And what a simple pleasure it is to yeah somewhere to have like. Your. Head with friends like at a restaurant. There's something so fun about it so it was it wasn't the same, but it was. It was kind of life giving at the same kind of loved like the new systems in place, even taking Charlie to the vet like I pull up I called I'm like Ham and parking spot four. The doctor comes to my window talks to. To Me Takes Charlie and brings him back when he's done. You know yeah, which is Kinda Nice because like every time I take Charlie the vet. I'm always like so much anxiety because I'm like nervous and use like pick up on like all the sounds and there's like movement and he's nervous, so it's making me side so even not like I've loved but Yeah, so so the whole thing is like right. We just had this huge The whole black lives matter movement die is not over by any means, but you know everyone kind of like cut off all personal social media to give full attention to like. I would say it was like the the crucial time it was like. Now like changing to happen, we need to all band together. It still is very much going on but slowly people are starting to get back to at least on socials like normal post posting stories things like that In some of its being met with hostility, like people being like how dare you post this when things are going on, but I think what's important to remember is that. The it's not GonNa make a difference if we constantly live in either. Oh I'm back in normal life or I'm full force into like just this is all I'm thinking about doing the change is GonNa come when we learn to lake. Incorporate both right like we're. We're doing our normal life, but we're taking steps were still spreading awareness. We're choosing how we live our lives in like the way that we interact with people. The conversations we have A, standing up for other people like simple things like that and researching before elections, really focusing in on sending letters to things that were passionate about, but we can't stay in one or the other like it's not. It's not going to be successful if it's that so now. It's like this whole. Okay well. How do we now live our lives and I know like we've done things like we've. We've bought pucks. We've talked about watching documentaries. I still I followed a ton of instagram accounts that are for those movements in and constantly posting like resources and updates and things like that so for me. I I feel like I am totally changed, and I'm definitely more aware of things, but now it's like slowly like okay like you know. I can post a story or a Campos instagram thing But that doesn't mean that I'm not still there. You anything yeah. I think it's trying to find that new normal. Yeah, you know I, think I think our reality has has changed and I. think that's good I think. I think the world and our lives are constantly going through changes, and you need to Bob and weave with it like you need to move with the change so I think in this. In this specific instance moving with the change is continuing on with life with this new awareness. Yes, it's like! It's like taking off a pair of goggles and seeing now like without that filter in front of your face. Yeah, so Yeah, I think that's what it is. I think it's starting. You look at life. Emily totally. You should read. That instagram you sent me. 'cause. I was like it made me cry for you'll see when she reads it, but for the man's reaction to her made me cry because I was like. It happening like yeah, people are finally starting. It's just the tiny tiny ways that we need to step in when we see something that we're like that's not right and I just love that I think there is this new shift that's going on, and I'm so excited to see where it goes. Yes, one hundred percent this is this was not sent by one of you guys. This was just I found it on instagram yeah. But this girl. Her name is Megan Dot. Channel Dot Inc.. She has a instagram account and she. During, all of this shared a story of something that apparently happened to her. On, June fourth, which is very recent, your this is a very like it happened to her. She got home and immediately posted about it. This is a very recent thing. Obviously she knows has known and not at this time about what was going on. So yeah, she posted a picture of. Her starbucks coffee, and then the next photo was a picture of jewelry in like she's in her car. She took a picture of jewelry. And she wrote. One to understand white privilege I'm begging you to read this I. Just went to starbucks in target only to grab coffee walking out of the store with my big purse, no bags next to a black man with several shopping bags in hand, the alarm went off as we walked through the first set of doors. We both turned around and did the Awkward Shrug. Everyone looked over as they naturally do. When an alarm goes off store, and they only looked at him. He was wearing gym clothes and a headband just like he had just finished working out. The door attendant dismissed me immediately and asked the black man if he could check his receipt, he politely pulled it out and showed it to him are turned around. I love this and politely approach the door attendant and asked. You don't want to check my purse. He said no ma'am. You're good. I responded quickly with a why. He looked at me, not sure what to say, but knew exactly where I was going with it. The Black Man looks at me and mouthed. Thank you as we finished up and walked out. Walking out together, we had a brief conversation and he asked me. Do you think you would have noticed that a month ago and I said I'm sorry. No, I wouldn't have. He shook my hand and said that is why any amount of change is so important and thanks me. This just happened y'all real freaking life we are conditioned to be prejudiced and suppressed the prejudice. Whether you are ready to admit it or not. It happens every single day. You can't change something until you acknowledge it. When I got in my car, I, remembered the other day I visited a friend who had given me a gift that she had gotten from an old estate sale I had put it in my purse I opened up the Gift Sacha to find this, which is the picture I mentioned of the Jewelry She goes on the jewelry holder with the security device enclosed. Warning was on the jewelry. This is what made the door go off something that was in all caps. But because I'm a white woman with a big Louis Vitton. No one would have dared to slow me down and ask for my rec- or check my big bag. This is white privilege I'm certain that door attendant wouldn't identify as racist that doesn't mean. He didn't just act in prejudice dot. He's been conditioned to do. And, what I loved? At the very end of this. She completely disabled all contents. Yeah, because it's not about that's the thing is. I think we like it's not about taking a side like to me that story. The thing that just totally grabbed me. I could have not read anything else was how in that moment? That man fell like he had someone who is on his side, and it meant enough for him to say like. Would you have done that and and I think? Like I would have been honest to and been like you know like. No, honestly it probably wouldn't. I would have been like well. You have a bunch of bags and I don't and that's probably why I stopped you. I wouldn't have even thought about that because that's not how I. Think in my head. You know, but it is true. I have giant bag like I could have easily stolen something new. So but to me, it's like whether you're willing to say. White privilege is the thing whether you're willing to say like. Oh, the security guard had some alterior motive It doesn't matter in that moment that man felt. Like heard and seen, and I love like I just love that I. Love and I. Think what was really cool. What I what I love that she pointed out she pointed out the door attendees mistake in assuming it was him, but she also pointed out later that he probably doesn't identify as racist and she didn't go off on him. She knows said why. Yeah, which caused him to think it was a which again peaceful, just like hey. You know I could easily stuff five starbucks. Gifts are ceramic cups in this bag and you would not know you know the thing is is he's probably he's an nobody on this. Earth is not aware of what's been going on exactly, so he probably acted in a way of just like. Oh. This is how I do and like. She said he probably wasn't thinking that at all, but the second she questioned all she had to say was why it caused him to take a second to be like Oh. You know what I mean, so. That's the whole thing is we need to? We need to make sure narrow like our ears, and our eyes are just a little. Little more perks like we're just. We're just paying attention or stepping in when we need to. We don't not everyday needs to be US going out and screaming at people is those little gentle things of just being like excuse me, sir like I, I. Don't think he deserves you to talk him like that or whatever the situation calls for you know. Yeah, so I think the thing is like he clearly just defaulted to how he's always works. Yeah, at the door you know and you know when you go into work. You kind of Utah in your brain off kind of and you just go into your robot mode of of the mundane things that you're doing. Yeah, So, it's like. People are going to do that. This is a very recent movement. That has just started. We are at the very beginning, so I think it's important to not be cruel to people if they do something like that, but what she did is just simply call. Call him out and just be like. You know I still something to. And so just be like here. Just check my bag. Just check my bag. Yeah, and let's let's move on. You know because then I mean. How cool would it have been if he found the jewelry? Yeah, you know like so I. Yeah, I, think that's. It's just crazy I think. We're all learning right now, so we need to be. Aware of that, and just call people out on it and join instead of people being upset and being like this is not a new thing like we've been fighting for this forever like yes, we hear that and we see that and I empathize with that, but it still is like there are some people who are just getting involved. Needs to be like some grace, and instead of getting angry like educating you know there's Times like people have said stupid and I like you. Your initial reaction is to be like seriously. What's wrong with you? But but instead sitting and being like okay well I. Hear what you're saying by like. This is like. Information for you, so it's just it's all about finding that balance, and I think I think honestly. I know in my lifetime. This is like the most extreme like turn around I've seen in a long time I was like laws being passed things being like people being arrested like it's, it's crazy. How much movement has already happened Within different states within different countries so I really think people are actually like they heard. You know what I mean Any who? So, so yeah, so even though we're getting back to normal life, it's still very present so about talk it so show Did you have a up? I showed it. Okay guys. If you are unaware, we have a segment. Enter episode called tearing it up and this is the episode or wow episode. I can't talk today I just give up on talking today. This is the segment where you guys sent an embarrassing stories and this is honestly one of my favorite segments in the episode, because we just get to have a good laugh with each other and some of the stuff you guys go through is to die for so if you guys have any embarrassing stories that you would like to share with us, please email them to as we would love to them. Title at tearing it up and we'll put it in that category This is from Hannah. Hager and Hannah Rights. Hey, girls high. Hey, my name is Hannah and you can totally use. My name I'm a huge fan from Norway and I. And I'm totally writing this while listening to old episode, so this is probably my most crazy story yet. I'm stuck at home so I decided to bake for my family. Because what else is there to do, love that man. I love what Ashley Base amount of cookies I've made during. It's great. It's insane. I wanted to challenge myself so I decided to make macaroni. You know that French straight, love macaroni and love this. Fun Fact I. You so always pronounce it wrong. I would call them kroons. I'm like. Well, you know. There are two different macaroni and there's macaroni either way. Turns is definitely would say my friends at always. God tearing I remember I would question it, but I always would say it wrong. No matter what I always wanted to go to Paris just to go to like the original league lottery the dude. restaurant but I remember my first son going to New York I went to lottery and I got I got myself a box. Own My damn there, so good salsa. Choko, on out. So good. anyways, we digress, so I was feeling very confident in this and everything was going well. I didn't have almond flour so I just made my own. Hey. I guess crush. Yeah, that's very that look at you. How would you have to dry it? Probably I? Don't know the process I think you just have to blended. Grind it somehow. I I. Don't know food processor anyways. We keep getting distracted. Sorry, okay, we were just. Shot. Capable of. Almond flour she goes I promise. The recipe said that that was okay, so I just took some almonds and put them in the blender Oh. Everything works really really well, which is surprising for me after making the cookie part I ate like five. And then I put them together with the cream and eight one more. I put the macaroni on a plate for my family and continued with my day suddenly while I was while I was in my online training sessions. The Balcony Door Opens and my dad tells me i. have to leave and come to the kitchen. He vin asked me if I use these almonds to make the macaroni. Oh, gotten no. On. I'm like either. He's like those are my special almonds or something. Bad's going to happen. Yeah, I said yes, and then he got very very pale, because these almonds weren't almonds what they were apricot seeds. What which? Looked just like almonds. We should posted a picture of side-by-side almonds in April cottonseeds, and they blend like. Yeah, well. I mean anything can blend. That's sure sure. But they do look very similar so apparently there he's. And in case you don't know, those are very poisonous. They have cyanide in them, wait. Wait. Wait I would've never known that I would have maybe the the grocery store. They're just selling these little balls that have a little poisonous. Cyanide see us. Terrifying I guess you're wondering why. Anybody would have poisonous nuts and their pantry. It was a present from our Serbian friends. Because if you eat one per day, it could be. Considered a cancer treatment. Oh, really! Apparently! I hadn't crossed yelling so much. She continues, but you shouldn't eat more than two. I had probably eaten about thirty nuts. Way I'm sorry. Because, she ground them down, odor wasn't eating just the nuts she ground down, made the cookies, and then eight the cookie and was probably like snacks she she's snacking on the cookie part then put it together with the cream and then ate a whole cookie. Oh my gosh, so she approximately thirty nuts. Oh my gosh, we were all caps panicking. Because when you look it up on Google, it says more than five could. Kill you. I had eaten many many more. Thought I was going to die and started getting very anxious. My but my mom promised me I was going to be okay. She called the intoxication department which I had never. This is in Norway. But yet. like poison hotline where you can call. Ones for dogs to to where you can call and say like. Hey, my dog, just A. They'll ask you like. How much does your dog way? How much did he and they'll like? Calculate and say like yes. Get Him to have that right away, or he should be fine when you just start at like a little series on our instagram of like. Did you knows from from this kind of a? Bill you God. Intoxication Department and they did some research and found out, we would be fine, but we did have an unhealthy amount of poison in our system. Sh, he's those were the scariest forty five minutes of my life. After this I went back to the balcony and continued with my training session. My teammates and my family are going to bully me about this forever. This was crazy. Story I love you guys and I hope you have a wonderful quarantine I remember to be safe, dear goodness. I would. Dude I am the freaking worse with like. I don't think I'm a HYPOCHONDRIAC. Like if I think about something too much, I will start to like feel the sense symptoms over. I feel like the second. They were like it's poison I would have been like my heart's racing. I'm sweating. When Peters and people have been already on edge with Cova. Feel every time. I feel my allergies. Come on, I'm kind of like. SKIRT OH I! Sneeze everybody off. Yeah, yeah, like wait a second like everyone is is kind of thinking that way right now so I imagine if you had actually ingested. An unknown amount. That's terrifying. Hor Hannah. Thank you so much for sharing that Oh i never read the title, but the title is I didn't want to give it away, but the title is almost poisoned my family. Court team disaster. Imagine. My Gosh. I could not survive if I accidentally killed my dad from like giving them a cookie. My Dad. You know like fresh baked cookies. Everyone eats at least three. Yeah, you know, it's like one to you. Okay one more last one. You eat three. Yeah, it's funny God crazy. Oh my gosh, that's so good! Thank you so much for sharing. That was amazing. Hey, guys. 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On Ashley's bed with all three dogs shoes, liking sprawled on with all the dogs and I'm like lounging in a chair with my computer. Yeah, under lakes pretty great. If mark was here, it would just be a ten a ten, but we're in mark sat in the closet. We! Get him his own little. GotTa say six feet apart. Okay any way. I knew he would like to be anonymous. I get a you don't want people to know. You'll stern Barca's. Spine won't take a personal. Okay, so this honest called stranger outside of your window. Here! You have like like yes, but no I live for this stuff. Go scary if you imagine it happening to it. What Happening to you, but it's not like like scary story I'm living. Go okay, hi, guys! I would like to be anonymous. First of all you guys have been such a fund podcast to listen to you ever since my sister introduced your podcasts to me, which we love any, you all y'all ladies. Send us to your male. Siblings 'cause they did get co worker or ten percent up to fifteen. We really do. We were putting this on you guys. And I am part of the five percent that listens to your podcast. So I've been living in my house with my family, and we've been having this one woman coming on our private property, and it's been at least four or five times. Yeah. Yeah, well Kinda! Oh It's been at least four or five times I've seen her outside of my window. My God like what what this more yeah like. No is she standing there or He doesn't write this in a scary way like he's actually like being very practical are asking for advice, but yeah I would love to know more details like. Did she make eye contact with you? Did she run away? Did she stand there until it her? I. This is a prime story that it could have been very dramatic could have been so dramatic okay so. After the first encounter. They put up signs that say like private property. No trespassing more. The scariest thing is that she lives two doors down. I know it's illegal, but after the first time I kept promising myself. I would call nine one one, but when it happens I just panic I. don't really want to cause arrests because they live two doors down by the way, it's not a neighborhood. Each house has a lot of forest like in between. He was saying that they have eight acres. Oh, so it's like yeah, which have. Fifty Times A. Lot worse because if. Someone was on my property and doors down. It's not a big deal. But Yeah, there's a lot of acreage in between. It's like what the hell are you doing here? Mike Did Chances that his bedroom window is in the front of the House are very rare right right so like she probably if she's standing his window, I'm assuming she's like. On the side of their house I mean enough for them to put up signs to say like no trespassing. It means that she's walking like she's not just on the sidewalk looking at their house like she's walking around their house. Yeah, and also again because my. Property would be. Much different situation if you're on my property. A couple steps to the right. Is the sidewalk. Yeah, if you're on their property and I'm assuming if they have eight acres like deep in there. Yeah, you know Then she then she's. She's way off where. You're walking. No, it's terrifying. She crazy. She's crazy by the okay. We have security cameras around the house, so. But I feel guilty and scared. If I report it, any advice would be very helpful. PS wish I had simply safe. From anonymous. Yeah. So we'll do you have anything to add before I? Say Anything I fully. I just WanNa like fully. Like. I want him to understand how like. Totally in the right he is for filling. Yeah. I! Get why he feels stuck because. The obvious immediate thing you want to do is call the cops. Yeah, someone's your property. However, if they live next to you and let's be real. She's probably not going to get thrown in jail for that. Yeah, probably have to pay a fine or get like a warning or something like that means you have to live near a neighbor who you've pissed off now. Yeah, you know, and if she's you know kind of crazy enough to come onto your property for no reason multiple times. Who knows what she could do? So I get not wanting to cause that friction in your neighborhood. Yeah, because then you don't I mean you don't know what they'll do you know. So. I feel like there's two ways you could go about. This one is Maybe during the day. Walking or driving I, don't know how far but going to her house obviously like I would bring multiple people just to be saved one hundred percents, and just saying like hey. We've been getting alerts, and we have footage of you walking around our house at night. And just wanted to check like was everything okay like? Did you notice something. Did you need help like? You know we have all this footage of you and just wanted to like check because we recognize that it was you. I think if you do it that way one. You can kinda get a vibe like if she freaks out, then it's like okay. She was doing something sketchy to even if she denies it or whatever now. She knows that she's being filmed. You guys are very aware that it's happening and I think that takes away like where she might feel like she's doing it and no one notices yeah. I feel like that could scare her enough to make her NOCCO. And that's and you can approach it as if you're like. Oh, is everything okay I? Notice, you were there. We just wanted to make sure like. If there's something we needed to know so that way. It doesn't feel like it's like attacking her. Yeah, ooh, yeah, I'm GonNa you, you go you finish. Second Way I think you could do is call the cops and then when they come. And they whatever if they confront her? Whatever you can say I'm so sorry. We call the COPS. We didn't know it was our neighbor. We just knew someone was outside our house. So that way, it's not like Oh. We knew it. was you know what I mean like you can. You can play it with a twist to make it seem not like personal. Yeah, so that would be my two suggestions. I love the calling the cops, and just like we panicked, so the cops yeah another thing if you do decide to confront her I, think here's. How are we played out? I would definitely do in person like Taryn said and I would ask if she was on your property last night. Make sure it had just happened. You know again and be like hey, where you property last night. Did you over last night and see if she says yes or no Either way. Dot would kind of help you factor out. How she is mentally, and or if she. was going on our if she doesn't want to talk about it because if she says no I don't know what you're talking about. Then you could be like that's so. Weird we. Are! Cameras went off so I I watched the footage and it's. It's so clearly you did something happen like. Are you okay and then come at it with the? Worried like that was that was very late at night, and you're just walking around. Yeah, I wanted to make sure you okay, but like maybe put it out there and see if she tells the truth or not I yeah, yeah, either way definitely make it clear that you have her on camera. and. even if you WANNA throw in a like. Yeah, like we literally almost called the cops and then I saw was you so I thought we'd just check in and make sure everything was okay. just so. She's like aware like oh I'm not I'm not just like getting away with this also. If she is walking through anyone else's neighbor herb property. Yeah, so I I know he didn't say much, so we won't find out now, but. I'm curious. Neighbor Kosice. He said she was two doors down. Yeah, so I wonder if the house in between them. Yeah time I made is the same thing to you have a be interesting. 'CAUSE did she walk directly to your property and start walking around or did she cut through all the floor? She matches be bored just walking around in the forest late at night. Also side note terrifying. Syrian or how don't know that's how people die? Yeah, not a fan by I would definitely take action I would talk to her about it, and then you know if she's like Oh, you know guy. was something something. Just be like okay like. You know. We almost have called the cops and it did scare so and so in my house. Just a you know like. You know I I just don't want us to call the cops on you on accident. You know so that way. She's like okay. I can't do that again. Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent I'm sorry, that's scary. To me yeah, I would have lost it confronting someone like you do get a good vibe from them like you. You probably will be able to tell right away like Oh, she just like a board lady and like she wasn't thinking anything of it or or like a weird vibe. So important to in person because over the phone, people can fake it, but you. You can tell person they're keeping our eye contact, or if they're fidgeting or if they're acting weird in any way like you'll pick up on that you're. It's so important in those instances to realize how strong your gut is. Yeah, and how important it is to listen to that. Because when she gives you her answer, you'll be like. I I don't believe that I don't believe any of that. You know or or you'll be like okay. Cool just wanted to make sure you're okay because it was frigging two in the morning. You like just making sure you know and I don't. He didn't specify if it was an I I'm assuming she's not just like walking around his house in the daytime, but who knows either way? It is on I. Just install some massive floodlights. That emotion detected. That would scare the crap out of anyone if at night. This is really scary. Yeah, if it's during the day. She's bored and she's going for walks in the forest. Yeah! Let's give her the benefit of the doubt, but. In the four at nighttime, absolutely not nope, not nothing good walks around in the forest at night. Anonymous thank you so much for sending this in I. Would love an update on this police. Whatever you're doing what you're doing now. Put it down. Front that's. Email us. Via. Also save all those video clips walking around your house eating 'em copy them. Hard copy put it in the cloud like just figure it out and get get get yourself situated all. It might be worth calling the police station and just saying. Hey, we've been having a neighbor You know. We've been catching a neighbor on her cameras walking around our house pretty frequently. you know as of now we're not trying to call impress charges. But like what would you suggest just so? You can have that record that you called in to. But again! I don't know the details on like what all that entails see, you might WanNa Research. A little bit more got than I love scary stories. Into Evil and we got. 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Okay, so my story is kind of bouncing off of the episode, not this last episode, but the one before it our body positivity episode of that which turn and I talked about this we had obviously prerecorded it before everything went down. With the Black Lives Matter Movement and we felt it very important not to really promote it heavily during that time. Obviously, that was a we had the blackout. Tuesday and everyone on social very much was prioritizing what needed to be shared and he did not Promo it at all. Yeah, like literally do not pose. We didn't. Do anything which was so hard for us because. I think that is like honestly one of my favorite episodes. We've ever done one hundred percents whereas usually when we have an episode like that like we Promo the hell out of it because we're like so excited to get out, so it was hard for us, but at the same time we were like this is way more important. We can always circle back in like re. Advertise for you know, so we haven't. We haven't posted about it yet because I think. Think, we're just now feeling like. Yeah, we're getting man. Yeah, but yeah. I think after this episode goes up. We'll probably posted about it. Yeah, If you haven't listened to it yet, definitely do I. One hundred percent agree with Taryn I think it was one of our best episodes. I love that. We also took time to to really share own stories because it is such a relatable universal struggle. Yeah, for all humans whether you're curvy, order skinny or Any shape and size. This is something that people struggle with Yeah Ely so we were able to share stories and also Go through some questions that you guys had sent in, so it was such a great episode. If you haven't heard it, police, go listen to it. Let us know your thoughts, but all of this to say. That the people that did listen to it. We have gotten such great responses. Yeah, we have so many emails so many DM's and it. It made my heart really happy going through them, so I thought I would share one of them cool. This one is titled Body positivity perspective from a quote. Unquote Skinny Girl Oh love that. Hi Ashley and Taryn Hi. I just finished listening to your podcasts on body positivity, and wanted to let you know that I appreciate it a lot. I really like that. You acknowledge that everyone has struggles with their body even to quote skinny girls. I've struggled a lot with how my body looks throughout my life and I. WanNa just share a little bit about my experience. I have always had a very fast metabolism and a small body type. I'm twenty seven and five, and have never really weighed more than one hundred and ten pounds. That's just the way that I am and I have no health issues. My warped image of myself goes way back I remember being called ANOREXIC for the first time in third grade. Just such a young age. Yeah, especially in high school, other girls would say that they wish they were small like me, but also would constantly tease me for being a small as I am for being flat, chested and not having a but. I would hear rumors that the guy thought I was gross. Looking to you, I. Yeah, it was really difficult thing to go through. Even though I look a lot like the hollister models you talked about I. struggled to find clothes that fit and wish I could fit into the clothes that my friends were wearing. At the same time I felt like I could never voiced any of the hurt feelings of being out of place for fear of being put down and told that I had nothing to complain about. which is something we had talked about? I spent a longtime feeling, not only bad about my body, but that my feelings of hurt over the bullying I experienced were invalid. Things improved during college, and beyond, but I still sometimes have complete strangers. Tell me to eat a cheeseburger while I'm waiting in line at target Gosh I still find myself avoiding certain items of clothing for fear of having to deal with the rude comments from strangers like quote, you look like one of those actresses who are trying to be anorexic for a movie and Are you freaking kidding me, actually say that. Yeah, and do you work out a lot or just not eat which is? Incredibly rude incredibly Gosh. Yeah! It always gets me when people who don't know me. Think that they can say something like that to me. How can someone who knows nothing about me? Not even my name feel like they have the right to judge me and feel no restraint with their cruelty. It makes me feel like I'm not even a human and that I don't matter and I completely get those feelings I think they're totally valid for feeling that way, yeah! I struggle with body positivity a lot, but I do also like the way my body is i. like that I can eat anything I want. And that I gained muscle easily. Sometimes I, just wish that it wasn't so generally accepted to put down small girls that others would realize. The a negative comment affects me the same as anyone else. Yeah, I think you said in the pot. I think what you said in the POD was so true. We all struggle with body image. We all wish we looked different in many ways. Even girls like me who are smaller don't have the perfect life. The important thing to realize is that you need to be empathetic towards everyone because you never know what someone else is going through. Thanks again for the Great Pod Katy Tang I love that because that's that. I feel like just like really drove home. Our entire episode. Yeah, because of how she wrote it. and I feel like anyone can put themselves. In this story in place of her with their own struggles, yeah, and feel the same way. Oh fully and like dude I will never understand like I can't even imagine telling someone that a love like commenting on their body and telling them like what I think about their body. Yeah, Let alone like someone who is a complete stranger, just walking up and saying something like it blows my mind. The audacity that some people have in this world. Below I, yeah! And and it's hard and I feel like it's. It's difficult to not think those things of people yeah. So I. Think I think we all tend to be judgy in. Our head holy. But I do think it is important to realize to verbally say that just because you think it doesn't mean you can verbally. Yeah, put put that on someone. Affecting her, and for some for someone to just be like Geez cheeseburger to her, while she's waiting in line at target, I wanNA punch them in the face. That's that's that's really awful and then also. She says she's five. That's that's the shorter, so she has i. don't know exactly what the average wait would be for that hype, but like. That's that's not horrible. You know it's like probably proportionate to her. Body it either way. It's just not your body, not your business, not your Saudi, not your business. You know it's funny ever since that episode. You know Ashley like. We randomly sometimes will end and I'll be like dude. I sounded so smart like we're that. Come from or will be like. Oh, my Gosh, what you said was really good. Truly just push my. My away from my face But I think one of the things that. We I mean I did not prep for because even when I said I was like Oh my God. That's such a good point, but was even the how we say like Oh. My Gosh you look so hot you so Guinea today And we had like we were looking instagram and we had a friend's picture papa. And she looks great and I caught myself because I was going to be like Oh. Gosh! She's so skinny like she lost so much weight well. That's exactly what I said Oh. He did I saw her and I was like she looks so good. Look at her skinny many. That's. Out Loud. And then I remember I went to comment the same thing and I was like I was like. She looks great like she looks healthy, and she looked so happy, and I remember like Nash looked at each other, and we were like Oh. Yeah like she looks how we have to change that and even shared it with our roommates how? Like we've got to change our dialogue to stop making it seem like if you look skinny, you look good because that can't be associated anymore. Like yeah, you just need to look how happy and healthy and I think there are times. It's OK to step in if you're concerned for someone's health. But for their health, not their shape. You know what I mean like. Even if someone got to a point where you, you knew like they lost rapid way, there is or sunk in their hair's thinning definite signs of like they're like yeah in an eating disorder there then it's okay to step in because you're concerned for their safety by. We just have to I. Think we just gotTa? Change Our dialogue just with ourselves with each other so I. Love that I love that she brought that up again. Yeah I think this kind of goes hand in hand with. This new. Time in our life of of listening and learning and growing and opening our minds to just. Imagine ourselves in their shoes. Yeah, and how would that make you feel if someone said that to you? Yeah, you know and it's it's so relatable to everything. That's going on right now like we need to stop and. Think things through before saying fully and I think like it sounds like this happens frequently to you, so I would even practice responses like. You can either go ham on people and be like Oh did that did that make you feel good to tear me down like that did that? Did that accomplish what you're trying to do? Like? You can be like Sassy about it. Even just having a one line comment. You say where you're like you know. When you comment about people's bodies, you really should think that you don't like you don't know what they're going through or how that can impact them. Yeah, and be like unfortunately I'm used to people saying you know shallow stupid things to me and I've you know God tough skin, but other people that can really hurt them, so you should think about it. You know just just tiny. Things are even saying like you know. My Body is really not any of Your Business and walking away. You eat a cheeseburger and. I know like whatever if you feel like you need to defend yourself in the moment I think it's Ok to practice. What what do I WANNA say? That makes me feel like heard and like protected in that moment or if you're fine to just brush it off and you can do that, too, but I would have a whole arsenal. Full of like. You know. Like quick Sassy comebacks like you eat a cheeseburger, you'd be like I. I do actually you know like you. You can have Sassy ones. You could have really thoughtful ones. You could have it where you just like. Let it let it roll. Right off you but I. Race as something. Yeah I would. Be Shocked and then they got continue to happen allergist. Just be lake. Yeah? I did a whole like Lou. Thing with my face just trying to. Curse him out. Yeah Now, there's so many Sassy things you could say I could see myself going not ham. Or sorry, excuse me. Yeah, and then they say it again. It'd be where I'm sorry. Excuse me, they say it again. It'd be like I would I'm just trying to understand in my mind? Like what makes you feel like? You have the right to say that to me because you don't know me at all, so I'm just trying to like I was like. I must be hearing him wrong, but no, you really are saying that interesting, and then I'd probably walk away. Very stealthily asked him or them to repeat themselves, and the record it and put it Senate to the Karen. Also blast on like a real note anyone putting that on you clearly struggling with their own its. My Gosh. It has it almost? It's so weird and it must be so free I'm sure it's still difficult going through that but. It has to be so freeing to know like that's that's their. Pain and their struggle that they're putting onto, you has nothing to do with you know it's so ridiculous, dumb, but I really appreciate you opening up about that and sharing your story I think it's important that we hear all sides of body positivity. Yeah, man! Do we just need to learn to love each other? And to think things through before share, yeah, I, I really appreciate you sending. That, am because like we said you know. Every person has a different thing and so many people listening right now. We're like she gave a voice to like well. I've been feeling in struggling west, so now I love that but definitely if you guys have heard that episode I would strongly recommend and turned, and I put a little bit of our hearts into it so. I might have ugly, cried and slightly but yeah, and then you know as we continue into this like new norm, just making sure that we have grease and patients for each other, but also that were still learning and still spreading. You know the messages that need to be spread and continue to go from there. We have a dad joe where to go also in summation getting alarm system with video cameras. I, I mean you're crazy. Neighbors come into your property I. I really WanNa Update I'm not so bad. Oh my God. This just makes me miss our October series. I know I'll hand I had a moment where I realized I was like it's summer falls around the corner. 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They Call Him Merrill. Chris Merrill.

"Six, fifty. Armstrong and getty. Radio. Food and Jackass. Don't radio an introduction that was holy God. Does it better us. We do want another it's. Such a bizarre war apologize for that. He. Armstrong and getty. On showing getting on vacation. We're not fired like it says on social media, we vacation and contracts just like you to Christmas film again. Quite a takeaway Merrill. Guys much appreciated. Love sitting in the big chair. It is an honor to be joining you today and yeah. Armstrong and getty not fired. They'll be back. I've got bad news yesterday though. If I may open up with a real Downer this morning. I got bad news yesterday. My Wife my wife and I have been apart during this entire. Stay at home stuff right so we've been apart living in different states and it's been. It's been a real challenge for us. you know we've been married long enough that we miss each other, but we can get by. You know how that is. When we were early on, it was like okay. You know you're married and your way from each other. So much. You know like ham kind of crap, so there's so much of that now, but it's been a very long and challenging few months so. my wife is in Arizona and that's also where our oldest son lives. Arizona and she says to me yesterday. She says Oh, I think. She's a Jacob is really sick. And I, said Oh What do you mean? Jacob is really sick? She says well. Somebody at his girlfriend's office. Has Corona and now. Everybody's being tested, but that worked in offices being tested and she says. I think it's possible that your son has the Rona. CNN! com. Tell you as a parent. The last thing you want to hear is that your child may have this this disease. And why? Why for the most part, one is apparent you don't want you don't want to think about your kids being sick. Right I don't want to think about my kid being sick as superior always tried to protect your kids even if he's He's twenty five right, I mean the the guy he did two years. Marine reserve is tough tough as nails kind of stuff. It doesn't matter still my oldest son on still feeling like I feel awful plus. Know what it is about I? I'm the same way. When we get sick, we turn to the biggest babies. We are just such sissies I'm thick. My Mommy. and. This is my son. God bless him right. So I was talking to him yesterday I. was texting. My wife took him some. She said food don't know. She took him some chicken soup or what? It was dropped it off on the on the. Stairs outside their apartment talked to him through the window. You all seen the facebook videos and things like that right? It's really unfortunate. Sad Super Sad. So I'm feeling so awful for my son and I'm talking to him. He Says No, no, no I think I'm okay, but remember he's twenty five and something about being a young male makes. You total doofus, so that's my son. Total doofus right I love him to death, but doofus so as I'm talking to him, he says yea, he says. Kelly I really sick I go said you think it's running as we've been tested, were waiting and I said. Did you get a test to you? Because this is another thing my son will do. He'll be like we got tested. Meaning his girlfriend got tested, but he didn't kind of thing. I say okay. Did you get tessies? Yes, worst nose bleed. I've ever had so if you've if you've had the test with nasal swab, and maybe it caused nosebleed no funsies for sure. They says I feel terrible I. Feel I feel like absolute but. And! He says I think I, think he says, but I'm not going to the hospital I. Don't you know not having trouble breathing by just feel as bad as I've ever felt. He goes I think they call that e symptomatic. No. no as symptomatic means, sands symptoms is in no symptoms. The fact that you feel like, but means you have symptoms. You are not a symptomatic. You're not hospitalized. You don't require. Intervention Care but you are not a symptomatic. God bless you, do oh. So as I'm getting ready for the show today, this isn't going on in the back of my mind. Right and I know talk about rotavirus and we'll. We'll talk about outbreaks and things like that. And we'll talk about what this is gonNA mean. Moving forward here in the fall and I think there's already places. That are canceling events in twenty twenty, one of already seeing some cancellations. And, so this going on the back of my mind and I look, and there's this headline Yahoo News as Corona virus spreads to people under forty. It's making them sicker and for longer than once thought. So for the longest time, we thought okay young people. You know. They're not really getting that sick if they're even getting sick at all. We saw this during spring break. We know we know that there's been an uptick in the number of young people that have that have. Acquired the virus so to speak. They've been contaminated whatever it is. The infection is spreading faster and younger generations and now Yahoo News talked with a guy named Jd Townsend for people who think they don't need to worry who haven't followed guidelines think again. It's a major impact on my life these past few months and continues to have an impact. others are talking about their sore throat tightness in the chest, slight cough. Then the question is what happens in the long run. Some saying I was dehydrated I went to the hospital got discharged, and all the symptoms persistent I was prescribed. Many antibiotics try to clear my chest infection I ended up getting a mouth and throat, ulcers and severe abdominal pain. Now this doesn't sound he. This gentleman is probably going to survive and this. What? I was telling my son to go look. You're probably he goes, he goes. We're going to be finding. You are going to be fine. You're going to be great. But I'm really concerned about you right now. Because this is misery and again as a parent, the last thing you want to see is your kids in pain, right? How many times have we seen? Our kids that are sick or our kids? You know. They bumped their knee or whatever else it is, and just as a parent. What do you think you? If I could just take their pain away from them now I know that's not healthy for the kids I know kids have to learn I know we all have to experience these things on our own, we all. Will grow from these things all that kind of stuff, but as a parent. Your heart still goes out to them, so let's have to tell you that as I'm getting ready for the program tonight. That's going on. In the back of my mind and also going on, is this case load that continues to rise around the country. And I have some major concerns about this case. Load going up and those concerns may surprise you because it's not just me worrying about other people being healthy or other people being hospitalized whatever else it might might be. I'm actually very selfish about the case. Load going up. I'll tell you why that is here. Just a few moments is Chris Meryl in for Armstrong and Getty. John Stashower. Armstrong and getty guys are going to be back next week. They have not been fired. Even though social media seems to think not the kids, not the case whatsoever. So, thanks for hanging out with me this morning I'll try to hold on the four as best as possible. Watching the the COVID caseload continue to rise and forty-six thousand new cases yesterday, which is freaking me out a little bit. I mean I don't have it which is great. Wife doesn't have which is great. My son might have it. He sort of self quarantine. He's an adult, so you know he's. He's in his apartment I. Don't know how he's. GonNa make his rent though. Back I don't know how he makes his rent any day of the week so whenever? But it worries me it worries me. We see this case load rows rising and now Anthony Foudy. Are The Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. The guy is a An immunologist has been. Has Been the director. He's been the director of the Infectious Diseases For thirty six years think of how many people. Who are getting cove and right now we're born after foul. She actually took that position right I. Mean The guy been there? I, mean he? He knows his stuff. But a little bit of a concern because he's also making predictions right so just because somebody's been a meteorologist for a long time doesn't mean that thunderstorms actually going to happen right doesn't mean that the temperature is definitely going to hit ninety five today right just because somebody's been at the job for a long time doesn't mean their predictions are always going to be accurate means that the guesses educated, but it doesn't mean it's accurate but FAO. She is now warned that we could see as many as a hundred thousand new cases per day. A hundred. Thousand Day. This is of. Vast concern all of us and I know we're going well. That's because there's more testing. You're totally right. There is more testing and we would expect the case. The case numbers would go up with more testing, however, rationally seeing the rate of positive tests going up as well right. And, if we were to start seeing a hundred thousand new cases a day. We would be doubling our total cases nationwide by the end of the month. Would have over eight million by Labor Day. That would really put a damper on the Barbecue for Labor Day, wouldn't it? It would really be a downer. The Lieutenant Governor of the. Great State of Texas. Dan Patrick. Says he he? Chill people. Don't be so worried. What's this guy talking about? What does he know anyway? 'cause foul, she said today that he's concerned about states like Texas that skipped over certain things. He doesn't know what he's talking about. We haven't skipped over anything the only thing I'm skipping over his listening to him. You have a lot of doctors on your show from day one year, doctors have been right almost every time, and he's been wrong every time on every issue. I don't need his advice. Anymore will listen to a lot of science will listen to a lot of doctors and governor, Abbot Myself and other state leaders will make the decision. No, thank you. Dr Foul Album. so no, thank you. Dr Cheese. No, thank you. Dr Franchi Yeah. Here's why I run into some trouble with the with the argument here. Is that Texas just shy of eight thousand new cases yesterday? So. That's not a positive sign, not positive, but I'm also very selfish about the whole thing. Man I do not want to see a hundred thousand cases. Every day I. don't WanNa see that. alyce. Fifty thousand cases I WANNA see the forty thousand cases every day that we've been seeing. Gives cases. Keep going up. It means I. Don't get football. How is football or any other sport a realistic probability full? It would make me very sad. So we're a mask for football. I wear a mask for football otherwise. Tom Brady might not play. And I wouldn't be able to brag about my predictions that he's not the greatest of all time when he plays anywhere but new, England. Positive Sean. I know you're been watching the the the basketball hoops. Yeah, because I have a a fifty anytime, push up bet with a co-worker based on how the the the the last kind of week of the season plays out. Soak selfish reasons on my own accord as well because you don't want to do the push ups, I'm more I WANNA. Make him do the push ups. I opposed to it, but it's just more about finding awkward times to make him. Do Push ups, okay. if we're doing pushups, does it count if I sort of roll on my belly back and forth? Does that count as a Bush at? Like I, bring my nose down. Today than push up now. I'm up now. Roll back down and touch my nose to the ground and rule back. That's. That's more rocking than a push up. Yeah, that's fine. That's how fat guys do push ups how we roll. What's the? What's the is the NBA GonNa? Are they starting a new season or is the NBA going to still try to finish LASSIE's? No, they they are still trying to conclude last season with with kind of an I believe. It's a an eight game a regular season wrapup but I believe that the the real reason for that is to fulfill contractual obligations with their local television contracts so your various. Various, foxsports, wherever's right? The regional teams they have to hit. A minimum games played threshold in order to get paid in full, which just so happens these eight games kind of put over all, but most if not all of the teams get get over the threshold with that. They just grabbed the D. League. Guys throw the pro uniform on them. And then you're signed the deal. I mean daily guys. Let's face it right? I mean you don't want Lebron out there, right? You don't WanNa. Put some of these cable. Kevin love out there. You don't WanNa. Put these guys out there that can really. WanNa. Get your superstar sick. Grab some daily guys. Sacrificial lambs have these guys play the last eight games fulfill the contract done. I mean it's all about money. The sacrificial lambs clause I think that might be a tough pitch. There's nothing in it. Show me in the contract where we can't just grab some D. League guys, some replacement players and have them fill contract done problem solve. So let's see, hold on now. I know there's been a lot of talk about the NBA playing in one location. Maybe they're gonNA. Go Disney or Florida wherever they're going to do right. Yeah, so so, but what say they get like four games in and all of a sudden half team half the League test positive, or they still gonNa try to squeeze those other four games in what's what would it take for these guys to call it a season? Well Commission Be Commissioner Adam Silver was actually asked to something very similar here. I Sean I'm not sure. We have a panel of scientists. Doctors experts that are working with us in I. Mean we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA see us go i. mean certainly you know if cases are isolated, that's one thing I think. A lot of the determination will be our understanding how our community became infected at that will be part of our judgment in terms of whether we should continue, but but certainly if we had a lot of cases, we're going to stop. What is a lot though it doesn't really tell us I know you'll beyond isolated. So. Yeah, he doesn't get into specific numbers but I. It's it's the first time I've heard him publicly state. We'd be willing to pull the plug on the season. If if things kind of you know, get out of control, whatever however he defines that but I love. He's like you know what we need to find out how our community got infected. Right I mean this is check instagram. Well wait a minute. This is not like. Oh, my gosh, we're infected. We need to try to isolate people. Keep them well. Make sure other people don't get sick. It's like we need to figure out who the rat was. Right. Who Was it that brought that in here? This this is like. Oh, my gosh. Russia was paying bounties on American heads right? Who leaked that information? What a minute hold on! I if you're talking about contact tracing, that's one thing if you go. All right. How did this happen? Okay? One of our trainers was in Arizona over the weekend, and he was up one of the bars or something right which are supposed to be closed in Arizona now, but and then they came back. Okay now we're going to do some contact tracing and whomever that person came in contact with then than those people need to be isolated as well then I get that, but it's almost like he says you know. We need to figure out who did it. Who gave us who who who sickened everybody up? Who Mix the stew virus and started scoop in that out. Everybody's bowls. No. Let's figure out who sake. WHO's not saying. How do we stop people from getting sick? The best way to stop other people from getting sick it was just to. Send everybody home, bringing the D. League. Again you're all you're doing. Is You're trying to fill is regional contracts which I'm assuming Sean means millions of dollars, yeah multiple commas. Multiple Commas exactly right so there's lots of money hung up on all of this. Again. Don't put your superstars out there. Although? They're still going to try to get the playoffs into right. Oh, yeah, absolutely, yeah, and of course that's where they're going to make a whole lot more money. Especially since we're all starving were starving for something else. We're starving for that. Distraction were starving to have something to focus on other than this stuff. I'm starving to focus on something other than people not wearing masks. We'll talk about that in a moment Chris. Armstrong on again. We are vacationing I. Hope that's all right with you. We need a rest now and again we're worn out. Meryl's going to let you know what's going on in the world. Indeed. Gentleman Chris Maryland for Armstrong and Getty. Looking at the different cases, and the growing cases, and the number of cases that are happening, and then I see the the different sport seems they're trying to figure out. How can they have a season? We'll ever seen. How many fans are GONNA be one of the big issues that my father has. This is fantastic. I just love them to death so one one of the big problems. My Dad is a Lifelong University of Michigan Football Fan and You might go. Thank you very much so here's the issue. My Dad has a ready for this positive shawnee ready for the big problem. My father has with the sports season. Your any at the weakside blitz. NOPE nope. He's concerned that the record for consecutive sellouts. In Ann, Arbor could go to the wayside because of the corona virus. That's such a sports fan respond. He's very concerned about this. And he he says okay, either no season, or they have to add some sort of a caveat that if there is a season that the the attendance, and the determination of whether or not as a sell-out has to be based on how many tickets are going to be available with the consideration of social distancing. So if the big house seats I don't know one hundred twelve thousand people. I think in Ann Arbor something like that one, ten, twelve, one, fifteen, four, hundred, thousand or something like that right, so he says, but if you have to set every other cedar every third seat, he says then the ticket availability needs to be reflective of that, and even if all the seats aren't full, it still counts as a seller and he's very worried about that I. think that logic checks out he's. He's more worried about that than he is about beating Ohio state which really confuses me just blows my mind. He's just all kinds of worked up about that. And and I said well what I said. Are you GonNa go to the Games, and if you going to wear masks on of course I'm going to wear masks. Being Nice to my dad, because he actually has a more of a machine ex. He says so he'll go. He'll go. Oh, sure I'm going to wear the mask, or are you going to wear the mask or yeah, and he says yeah, I'M GONNA. Wear the massacres. I is a head on down the expressway and take ninety six over two seventy, five on an on down there into. Okay Sounds Good Dad dig ninety six over ninety four to thirty, one to ninety six over ninety, four and a Ann Arbor may come up the back way. Dad's love freeways changes fantastic, but it's an expressway for him. He will not use the word freeway Oh. Don't say freeway. It's expressway expressway only. I am seeing that there are more people that are trying to travel. And with that travel of course comes more people with the masks, not wearing masks all that kind of thing. And United I guess United is trying to add twenty five thousand flights in August United Airlines Planning on adding twenty five thousand flights, hoping to capitalize on an uptick in air travel say particularly to leisure destinations ranging from Bozeman Montana Bangor Maine. You needed. And their competitors are seeing uptick and travel demand from the five decade lows that were hidden April as the Kobe nineteen pandemic in the united. States will travel. Demand remains a fraction of what it was the end of two thousand nineteen customers. Slowly, returning to flying with a preference for leisure destinations trips to reunite with families and friends and getaway to places that encourage social distancing well I would say Bozeman Montana. Probably a great place to socially distance got a lot of wide open spaces and Montana's certainly someplace. It's on my bucket list. Haven't been there before. If you've been to Bozeman or you're in Bozeman or whatever you are God, bless you. You look like you have one of the best best cities in the whole wide world. I just love it. I can see why people WANNA come there. However, consider somebody living in Bozeman Montana. Think about this. You live in Bozeman right? pull the number share fasting was Montana, for Montana has a total of nine hundred sixty seven cases as of yesterday, nine, hundred sixty seven total cases of corona virus yesterday right total. In Perspective California added almost eight thousand new cases. Right Montana hasn't even hit a thousand cases total. How many people in Bozeman are like? Man can't wait for people to La from La Phoenix to come on up here and enjoy are wide open spaces. Come on up gang. No I'm pretty sure. Bozeman says you know what why don't you just go ahead and keep your Koronen stay there? Just, what did you hang back for a little bit? Why don't you we'll just ranch? And we'll we'll. We'll do whatever bows. Means do y'all just chill. Bangor Maine same thing, right? Bangor doesn't have a high infection rate right now. Where's main at three thousand, two hundred fifty three total cases? Came in perspective. Texas added just shy eight thousand cases. Yesterday Maine has a total of thirty two hundred. Okay, so the maniacs are thinking to themselves. Why don't you guys just stay there? You guys just go ahead and stay away. Just do that. And United is adding twenty five thousand flights American Airlines starting to fill up again American Airlines says that's okay. We can just pack the seats. Pack Them Up. Now. Listen I flew southwest last month didn't want to. But as I mentioned to start the program during this whole stay at home everything going on my wife and I have been living in different states. Hadn't seen each other since Valentine's Day and she needed a bootie call so. Yeah jumped on a plane What are you GonNa? Do you know as a husband? There's certain things you. GotTa Play Ball, you know what I'm saying. So jump on this planet. Fly South West quarantine myself after I. Get back all this kind of stuff all right. I go through all these different hoops and everything else totally worth it by the way totally worth it. Great Booty Call, and what do I? What do I see though a lot of people on flights, not wearing masks now southwest was still doing the social quote, unquote social distancing. They were leaving the the center. Seats Wide Open American Airlines says they're not gonNA do that anymore. And, that is very bothersome to. One Senate a bunny. Send US Bernie Sanders was very angry about this as one might imagine. As Bani often gets. Why happened we stopped? That of activity and told the Airlines and butts companies that is unhealthy. Senator appreciate your question and I think it's It's a critical area. I can tell you that when they announced that the this is the direct CDC. Robert Redfield is speaking right now in response the bunnies. Why the thing somebody should do something about the other day. Obviously, there was substantial disappointment with American. Airlines number the airlines had decided to keep the middle seat saying. Thing and he say they're substantial disappointment. WH- -pointment. Yeah hold on again. Obviously, there was substantial disappointment with American Airlines. Man He has disappoint. He's almost like Susan Collins level disappointed I can't say this is under critical review right now, by us. It's really We don't the right message as you pointed out again. We think it's really important and individuals that are in whether it's a bus or a train or plane are. Let me just stop you right there. Let me just stop you right there. Let's. Let's review what you just said again. We think it's really important in individuals that are in whether it's a bus or a train or a plane, a bus or a train or a plane of let me remind you so. The whales on the bus go round and round. The wheels on the bus go round round. Has Anyone addressed this? No you can understand my frustration all right social distancing degree that's feasible and at least have a reliable face covering. All the reliable face covering Oh God. The C. D. C. says going to face coverings. That's GONNA do. It's going to bring my favorite people who world supreme out the KARENS. All the cares hate wearing those masks. Boy. Reliable face covering. What? What hang on what you want me wear reliable face covering places like trader Joe's. Man Lady Karen. Just go I can't breathe. Math violation, of federal lawn. have to. kind of that probably goes the. She thinks outback is a high steakhouse, right? Shannon back, I love you by the way. but then. She orders everything like okay. I'm that well done and by well done I. mean if that doesn't come out. With Gordie, Howe trying to put it in the net I. Don't want to understand me when I say well done I mean well done, and if it's not well done, I will speak to the manager. Karen's Gone Wild at the steakhouse. Next Chris Maryland for Armstrong and Getty. Aw. Tom. Armstrong and getty show. Chris Maryland for Armstrong and Getty SR morning. Guys are on vacation. They will be back. WanNa rumors floating that the Have, moved on to greener pastures. No, they have not. They will be back. We'll be back in the meantime. A hold down the big chair. I was just telling me I just love I love the Cairns. All my Gosh, I love the few things are better to me. Than the Karen Culture, I just absolutely love it, so we've had The director of CDC was saying love you know. If you want to reopen things, you know, you have to wear masks and things like that, and then of course, the Cairns come out of the woodwork. Read the so we shouldn't ever had. Our beaches closed in the first place, so you can say everything you want about Florida, but just keep in mind when you say those things are not talking about Jacksonville. You're talking about Miami where they all the Mexicans drinking. That glass imported corona beer here in Jacksonville. We know what we're doing. We're going to be just fine, so you don't need to worry about. Like those people right the crazy. Or WHO's this oh? This was This is another Karen from. Then sure California I loved her. She's fantastic. I protest face coverings I am a healthy American I used to be free. I am not a terrorist. I am not an default. Not a sex slave that wears masks. I am not a sex slave that wears masks. I am not into Sado, masochism and bonded. Okay hundred bucks. One hundred bucks make you into it. Thousand Bucks WH- figure, take care and how much you're. How much here I am not into Sado masochism and bonded all right thousand dollars Karen Ma'am I am not into Sado, masochism and bonded. I am not into Sado masochism and Bond God. Bless her. Oh, wearing a mask makes you a sexual I don't a deviant. Adventurous. Perfect. At a Wendy's. And not a burglar. By, and not a pandering politician like we see here and here and here and here. Okay right but. Like you me, a couple of glasses of wine, get you back to my place. What do you think might happen? I am not into sadomasochism and bondage all right great. That's cool, but. Is there anything we can do? I am not a sex slave that wears masks carry. What about like a ball gag are you okay with that or is? That does is it is a ball game to close? Man I love these. Cairns's Cairns are nuts, but have you ever run into you? RUN INTO CAIRNS like in their natural habitat. Like the Olive Garden or at? Bonanza. Ponderosa, you ever been to upon Rosa Sean. I don't have gone dough. Baby got a chain restaurant of source. Yes, yeah, they're not very many open. still think upper midwest is still got a few condos. Ponderosa's like the steakhouse where you can get like a two ounce steak which is actually the same area as a as a full say, twelve ounce steak, but they just cut it so thin. It's almost like a piece of roast. Beef slapped on a plate. it fantastic. But, if you ever seen one of these Kerins, their natural habitat, or maybe like the food court, and they go in, and what do they want? They want their stakes well done. Oh my wife does this to. Just wants her beef ruined. And then what do I find out? That's the most popular way to to have your state done. How is that even possible? Who did they ask this question to my mom? So curious about this survey, says two thousand Americans. Two Thousand Americans. And And I guess people just love their stakes well done. Missy. Well done was the favourite twenty. One percent of people said they wanted their stakes. Well done medium well was at twenty percent medium was at sixteen. Pursue not understand the scale. Do they think it's like a quality of the Cook like I? Don't want it poorly done I. Wonder well-done Not Understanding, scale I run into. My wife, says she always she always used to do this. Oh, Jerusalem just drove me crazy. My kids still don't know what medium Burger tastes like. She used to do this. We we'd get you know. Go someplace. Fancy I mean it someplace, really really nice like Red Robin. And she would order this order burgers for the kids and they go. How do you want that? She goes? They want it. Plame and well done. A why are we even out here? Then, why are we paying? For you know fancy Red Robin prices to have a Burger plane and well done what is wrong? She says I don't want them to get sick. What do you mean you want them to get sick you? Want them to have undercooked meat. World is a medium is not undercooked. Medium is cooked medium. It's pink inside the best things are. She says they'll take it well done. You'll shut your mouth and I said yes dear. Exactly, what I will do, I will shut my mouth. This is not a hill. I WANNA die on. You know how you should cook a state. Find your cow. You. Slap it on the ask Jason Rather fire twice and cut it up. That's. How you cook, meat. Understand why anybody would have it any other way, but these Cairns they go in there and they're just people when they survey two thousand Americans I feel like twenty one percent of them were Cairns. Just angry about meet in general, either that was people who were vegetarians, and they just want to skew the results. I don't understand it. All people that that want your steak well done I. Don't understand. Didn't they do a Sean Perfect Sean positive. Sean already perfect Sean from now on it. Screw screw positive. Your Perfect Sean and they do a ban on King of the hill about this. Oh, in fact. Yeah, they they did here. We go perm, but with little give you these are medium rare. Why if somebody wants well done? We ask them politely yet firmly to leave. Such a great show. I think he's exactly right about that too little, little, little toasted. But it should have a little give to it. One hundred percent now when it comes to what they want for a steak. I. This is what drives my wife will do this. She Go. I'd like Sirloin and there's nothing wrong with a sirloin friends, nothing wrong with the sirloin right, but the Sirloin is not the best steak out there. Right if we're going out. What are we getting? My wife says what about a nice strips data strip steak sounds great. I love a good strip. Get a good strip steak cook that sucker medium rare. She says well time. Whatever she says I'd like my steak well done, and they said great. Is there any else we can bring you? and the waiter or the waitress will always say Is there anything else we can bring you? My wife will say. Like a bottle of ketchup please. I mean there've been a couple of times in our marriage that I've really questioned whether or not we can survive and most of the time it's when ran steakhouse and she orders a nice cut of meat well done with Ketchup. What is wrong with her? Don't know. I said YOU WANNA fillet. She says a flare sounds Nice Porterhouse by the way is the right answer or Yeah Yeah because you get the best of both worlds right? You're going to get the Strip and you're gonNA get the. Absolutely the best answer. Best Steak is. Is, the porterhouse right that's it. The porterhouse slash, Tebow, that's it. Done. Done flavor great reviser cool I'm fine with all those things. What is my wife? GonNa do? She still gonNA come back with. I'd like it well done. Because, the only thing I'm figuring out is that she's actually. An employee of a Russian troll for him. He's trying to bring down America. I can't understand why anybody else would order it well done other than actively trying to undermine the greatness of our of our nation. It's the best I got. We will fix America here in just a few moments. We've got police reform and WHO's doing it right? We'll be joined by a white. Horse White House correspondent.

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Episode 327 - Live from Cairns with Drs. Michael Smout and Claudia Cobos

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Episode 327 - Live from Cairns with Drs. Michael Smout and Claudia Cobos

"Greetings from down under. Hey, we're Melvin we're about to do all final show. If you're listening to this. And it's either Wednesday off us day to show his sold out online. We've we're going to release a couple of tickets on the door. There's going to be a few tickets left on the door. Maybe ten fifteen. We don't know exactly how many chairs boat left, but there will be a standby list. So if you're Melbourne you don't have tickets yet for the show with Anderson come down seven PM European big FA will hopefully squeeze you in. And if not if you're in Portland, we're going to be there as part of the listen up Portland podcast festival this coming weekend on Sunday, February seventeenth will be performing at the commune at five PM. You can go to listen up Portland dot com for tickets, and it's a great podcast with tons of your favorites. Like, Jesse thorn, the sport full Doboy you pass to the show. Entities. Yo is this racist. It's it's going to be right time and looking forward to seeing a bunch of portlanders up there and a bunch of Melburnians tomorrow. Yeah. It's gonna be fun. Enjoy this episode is the first of the live ones that we did on on. Little toll. This is from cans, and thanks again to inspiring Australia and the stralia in society for parasitology liked introduce the stage. Matt cussin' Nandy would tonight. Okay. Cans on Sunday off is it Saturday. We're all on sorts little to no idea we came in on the flight we lost today. As happens when you fly from merica to hear a whole day was stolen from us. We didn't they didn't exist as I was waking sons so sorry to any friends of mine who had a birthday on Thursday. Luck. Next time. You're a year old younger in my mind. Hey, everyone. Thank you for coming out on a Saturday afternoon to cats to see us and this podcast. Yeah. Why no Hof applaud? Thank you. Thank you. I'm Andy, this is probably science weekly podcast in which comedians with former backgrounds in stem fields. Sometimes get some things right about science and other times. It just makes them dick jokes. This is going to be one of the most size t- real scientists here. So he's how this came about his the reason wearing Kanza till you'll notice the big band of their from the Australian society parasitology, we don't know many have the parasite written quite so boldly next two shows. Although as Los Angeles residents, we are also experts in parasites how this all works. We profit from. Four and parasites and also inspiring stralia as well, which is the science communication and outreach in between the two of them. They helped us come out here. And thanks to Michael who's one of the people. You're seeing say shortly. That's the reason this is my first trip to Australia. I'm very glad to be here. Thank you for having me. I'm under strict instructions from that to attempt no form of accent point in this trip under penalty of death, so hitting all my ours, super hard, we are in Cairns going to Melbourne, and I will say good day to people and no short at any point. So yeah, we were here in Kansas, which is has an eclectic selection of shows that happen here. I don't know if you've seen the various science hit. But this seems to be what anything that could any in any way, we defined entertainment happens in cans at some point this afternoon. One of you will be murdered and the rest of you will have to solve it as you might have seen from sentence thing. There are also hypnotists male strippers ups. There's a Fleetwood MAC tribute. Vince van Sant at some point tonight. We will be doing all of those things. So brace yourself so full frontal nudity at the end of which you'll will have to solve a crime. And that crime will be the full frontal male. Very easily solved facts, very simply very simply. So we writing cans we flew from LA to sit in the four hour layover then flew to cans and go straight to James Cook university to look his thing. When when you when you mentioned Australia to someone who hasn't spent time in Australia. The first thing that comes to mind. Oh, it's full of dangerous shit. That kills you. And is us people who live in Australia. That's bullshit. That's no something really have to deal with on the regular. But here at fucking is. Turns out it's all terrain is. I'm particularly when we went to the soon as we arrived. We got whisked away to James Cook university and the first to where we were given again after thirty hours straight of travel. It was almost like one of those scenes and movie like a rival where they've gone and found some civilian expert in something and then just medivac them by helicopter straight to the war room to figure something out. You're like, okay, general, here's the map so on no sleep. We had to suddenly be thrust into the world of how James Cook university is solving dinky fever by putting this bacteria into mosquitoes. Which means they have to raise tens if not hundreds of thousands of mosquito. Almost twenty four hours of traveling. And then be whisked than pushed into a room of mosquitoes literally will happen to us go into the room of mosquitoes. That says this room can say lows mosquitoes, and we just hung out there for that. Even if nothing's biting Univer mosquitoes you start to each like, somebody feeling edgy right now. Just listening to it's like this is. Yeah. So that was mic. Townsend took us through that. And then Libya rally and lung LA took us through the aquarium area can kill you again like everything like, oh, that's a snail. That kills you in twenty minutes. And that fish kills you in about an hour. And that fish kills you in about jellyfish kills university. What was one that kills you think within a day? And then I asked a ranking of the top five worst things that were in this room. And the first four I'm five through to where I believe things that could kill you. But the worst thing was a jellyfish whose name I can't remember we'll get it later episode. This is gonna go out on the patriot. As a as a bonus episode of us recording around this place. But that jellyfish doesn't kill you. What's it called again? It's so painful that the forty dollars a pain you go through as the worst than death. Also induces a sense of impending doom. It's basically a bird box jellyfish. It makes you wanna kill yourself or forty eight hours and the pain is worse than the death. Brought about by the other jellyfish So thank you cans and Queensland in general inviting us to your beautiful paradise of it is gorgeous, round, hair and terrifying. I think we should bring on the first. So he's his what we're gonna do because it's going to be bit different to normal shows. So we're going to bring on two guests to both being a pot of fame lab, which is a series of three minutes. Science communication Tokes. Scientists talk about what they're doing and an entertaining and witty way and condense way, and they're he's going to give you a little presentation on their work. And then we're gonna chat to them for the rest of the episode, and the winner of the first ever famous Australia is our first guest and also the host, and the reason we are here today. Yeah. The the person who's got us out into Queensland. That's all he works for the Australian Institute of tropical health medicine. He grew up here in Brisbane. I'm sorry. You up in Brisbane from young age always wanted to know how things work he's a confirmed. Geek from six years old science always passion from that point on genetics captured his imagination high school and university. But it wasn't to be. I'm not sure why that is after tempting to fly during a cycling accident his face broke, his fall and lead to a convoluted series of wonderful events that ended with him loving all things me and toxic here James Cook university in Cairns as Kurt research interests are how worms how they're spit rather. Cause cancer developing the granular and growth factor into a diabetic wound healing agent uncovering new anti parasitic drugs with worm dancing and tropical toxins without further do on the topic of can we save lives with worms bit. Please. Welcome to the stage, our friend, Dr Michael Smout. Imagine your new bathroom, you slip by slice hyphen, your wrist on the kitchen counter, what if you had a magic bandage could heal that wound. Well, we'll get to that in a minute who likes to travel who's been on the season, local cuisine. Are you like one of the seven hundred thousand strands who go to Thailand every year and around the country? Well, if you plow one of the fish dishes, you might come home with an unexpected friend teddy did here, but don't worry. He's going into the hospital a little, but I'm a doctor I can help. This is Linda. Lilla and unfortunately, he brought Heim Laurie live web. Now, the ones we catch quotas. The door Hoffa set of eight along and the shape of a leaf, and you can get hundreds or thousands of in your system. Now when you coming back to a country like Estrella, all you have to do psychopaths to get rid of them. But if you're in the local region, these rented Fisher, you major protein source in your constantly eating them constantly getting heavy infected. They can cause damage to your live. But over the lifetime infection, they lead to causing liver cancer one in six of the patients, and that's particularly bad in Thailand causes twenty six thousand every single year. How does the worm close such cancer? Well, that's where we come in. We work on the worm spin. That is all the secretions of the pope the skin Wentz fits away talking about the west has this growth whole mind. The Koji sells the going to drive now why is it causing this? Well, we don't know. But we suspect is helping trying to kill you kindness. If you will it's much here on your liver, causing winds and healing them off with its fit causing wounds healing, fit and over and over again. Now, if this was only for a few weeks, that'd be fine. But the problem is I live for decades, and this long long term that can close cell damage and eventually to the cancer, and this is a particular challenge to fix. So what we're working on? We've found this active choice act and be able to look look at it as a potential vaccine. So hopefully, we'll be able to understand this complex host relationship to understand it and create a vaccine to help the typhus. But what does this mean for the rest of us without the one? Well, we've found a competitive this doctor that we can make synthetically in the lab cleanly and safely and it consumer charge warranty. It's not going to give you instant healing pals like hoovering, but it might be supercharged orienteering. Now, that's useful for you and me, but the people who really need it the sufferers of chronic Warren's, and I tend to be smokers, the elderly diabetics and diabetics really bad off like and get these chronic wounds in their fate that reached the barn take months to heal. If they he'll at all. And in fact, wanted ten of these patients requiring amputation just here in stride yet every single day. We're losing twelve Dodig fate. This is a real big problem that costs us three point five billion dollars every year. Year. So we're hoping to be able to create some kind of treatment that could supercharge that weren't healing. So remember donate row fishing Thailand wants bit causes cancer and magic bandages that supercharge might be just around the corner. Thank you. Shimmer? Buddying our host. It was going to come out and join us and chances bit more about his work off to but I like to introduce another guest. So we met for the first time today, I call to see a toke. She is a doctor in biochemistry from James Cook university, but originally from Chile she's a first Chilean believe so guest on this show. She now lives in cans has left in don'ts group where she before typical dust from Latin America where for two years of the local Latin radio program and also volunteer wildlife care and cans, please welcome with hauteur some flower power where the sun doesn't shine cloudy Cobos. Very far have any of you heard about the pip day saiga in af oh club down in Victoria for years ago for the one that know what I'm talking about in two thousand thirteen around forty play would accuse of injecting themselves some from enhancing peptide, so have these they can have very bad, reputation, Australia, and we they I mean if it players and peptide so today came to pip ties because not all of them are bad. So now that we are talking about pip dice, do you know, what peppers? So people were better at just small pertains. They're made up of the onion of this chain of small organic molecule call I'm Yazid and their prison in different type of leaving organism helping to different type of article activities. So we can find them in this keen, we find an implants, we find them snake in spite of the venom and milk next, for example. So now, I one that you remember the last time that you've got foot poisoning. Remember the symptoms? Maybe something like abdominal pain. Cram constipation in their RIA, very bad right now. Imagine these civil Thomas stronger in that ideas, confirm street fatigue, joint pain in even recap leading. This is what someone would implementary bow disease or IB feels every day. But even flower will cheer you up. Would've Ibiza temple to conditions. Tickle ID's and Crohn's disease colitis is an maturity this of the large Insein and crowned the seas can attack any part of the track from the mouth to the rectum, or you know, the words from gum to bam. No one no for show what causes about disease, but scientists that are no action on their person immune system may trigger. Maybe probably you're no, but ties have different applications such as antimicrobial insecticidal help with chronic pain in between the example, and they are very easy and tip to create. So they they are the perfect medicine. So now study have shown their range of peptide how the potential for three member, however, small peptide elected to be on stable threat to this mall size. So why did we met them stronger in received him so in my to the train to make them stable? So we can use them after. So how can we tell them up? Well, it turns out that nature have done the work for us there at these small cyclic peptide, they are very very stable. So what so what we know? Now that. We have some flour in inside the sunflower seeds that these very small sightly peptic. So we can use them. So what I did. I took my honest table at peptide the help people we'd IB, and I stuck it into the cyclic peptide the some flour seats. I clipped, right. Like these. And it makes us stronger. So what did we found able to do this hybrid peptic, and then we tested in a laboratory modal inflammatory bowel disease and he worked. Well. So what do we do? Now. Feathers required to understand what he does what he goes high works. So then we can go from peptides. To medicine. So for people with tan happy, Derek, however peptide can relate to patient with Beatty by sending some power whether sunshine. Thank you. Cloudy cobos. Thank you. Thank you. I actually just I'm gonna move listeners won't be aware of this. But there's a massive sunflower Anna teddy bed and some of the stuff on the stage right now, it's MAGS. Mags or so thank you so much coming back out again, cloudy Cobos, Michael, smells, everyone's cloudier mind on fresh from their performances. Thanks. Most of the you got your little Madonna headsets as well. For the listeners at home. We're on regular microphones have the time life operator. I'm not sure if that down under time life books with those things things you could buy here in the eighties regional Jake's. So those are part of like we said this competition where people have three minutes to explain a science concept, and it was started by the British Council and brought to Australia back in twenty fourteen. You one with that top pretty much work. Excellent. And you've been spending the bulk of your time here in Cairns working on worms bid. Yeah. That's what the Bill explode with the venom guys all sorts of bits and pieces that Wentz fit is what to do today. And I was trying to figure out from that what the exact mechanism the reasoning behind. Why the worm would want to both hurt you? And then he'll you is it just to keep the host alive long enough to keep or we don't really sure there's a couple of options like the pot of the story for the wound. Healing like, he'll if you make a hole in you all at harm you patch it up, and so I was just keeping time not happy. But we don't really sure it might even be feed. Off the cells causing extra sells the guy. You don't need to go and graze around if you can make the buddy go you cells, but. Yeah. Parasites do amazing things and finding out why you can't really awesome. For listening who smoke is what parasite should they be swallowing right now. Not sure about that one. But certainly be careful with Cardiff coins. Because that's a big problem for smile because as well. The sorta reminded me of cures. I've heard about that sort of seem medieval, but are pretty effective for diabetic foot wounds won't heal maggots. I've heard of the yes lot recently. Sorry, I know it's lunchtime everybody, but you know, we're talking parasites here. So is that all similar or are they just eating the chronic tissue? But not actually helping that's Miceli. What do they also have a whole bunch of anybody and stuff that keep it clean is really part of the challenge. But yes, so the corn equates ten rather than like, we've cut ourselves, and you've got fresh tissue regrows, these coins have a whole bunch of Kartik dead tissue. That's largely the magazine does that get rid of that tissue, exposing fresh tissue allows it to grow, but the worms. Don't spit doesn't. Just do that. It's more about actually having this agent that promotes growth. Yes. So we've identified this compound, which is the wind spit active ingredient growth. We're working on it that way, but the ones that has hundreds of different components in control the immune system. They twisted around also two different things. So it's more is just one aspect of it. But it's incredibly and just I assumed when I heard worms I was picturing larger size. If you went to the lab yesterday, look microscope. These aren't these are on what kind of scale. Yes. So you certainly do get much bigger. But the ones we saw the other day were microscopic though, less than a millimeter, but those ones were hookworms centimeter long and mine similar sort of that Hoffa inch for America that's about that size. But you certainly do get bigger worms scars is fun. One thirty centimeters long off centimeter wide. So fun. It will come at. You knows. Tightwad the classic one that can get up to ten meters long. And you've got if you're lucky. Yeah. Anaesthetise that keeps you slim. Right. That's on the back in the nineteen twenties. You could buy pills that would eggs, but it doesn't really it just takes away your nutrient. So it's really bad for you. But they did ver- least little while to ruin everything. Get any slim. Can you wanna Claudia stuff? I'd love to can you tell us. You told us this yesterday in the lab because this fascinated me the ridiculously complicated way. The worm gets from the skin into the Gump. Yes. The worms have also to win one for ways to get in your ones. Marwan's of food born which is very easy. You eat. It basically goes through system activites, and you got off into your live, but Hoke little worms that we saw yesterday though, we sit sitting around a little bit across. And then you walk by them your hate and you'll see two we'll activate them attach onto your skin actually, borrow through your skin at this stage. The Mark scuffing. So you want even feel it you might even scratch bit. And that can help them get through. Then they'll get into your blood system. They'll travel all the way up to your lungs bust out. This will close a bit of a cuffing reaction from you. So that little cough clearing is right. That might be coughing up a hookworm, then you swallow down into you gots. And then it'll lives a decade. Also. So now everyone's nicely. Mina legged, and or cough that you had last week. Okay. Claudia you. I don't know if you all the first person to say the phrase rectal bleeding on our show. Point. Yeah. We have a one of our hosts had had for why what he thought was going to be also also declared as or Krones we're not to be worse than that. But we've had our fair share of colorectal issue. We have. So hang on. How did you find the what made you guys go to some flowers was that just because you already knew that these peptide? Yes, I'll they are previous study that shown that peptides in different type of plants and flowers, so then, yeah, we knew about this one. But the other peptide is different different peptides that doesn't come from San flower. So we know that these peptide berries table, so which has tried to make it stronger, and then we playing around if it works, then we have to do all the analyses and then see the malate clear. What does what do the regular peptides do? Anyway in the body. Like, how does it work? Do you know what you know, what it does get that will depend on the structure of the molecular? So then you have your pet, and then when he goes inside the body the made up of these. So they're small molecule it makes the peptide. So then one of those might bind to something else in your body to another protein, for example. These. We have these for example, these collect. Then one of these it by like. You got here. It's pretty simple. You open your, okay? The sounds of little ring ring of molecules looking like a ring of toilet kills in a lab and curtain for but with real molecules much smoother than this. Yes. And then they do still make that sandwich. So then when when these part he so pit these connect to anything in your body it will attract so then it will make differences in the other structure of the other. Protein or whatever is binding to. And then you will have like all the things that are happening at the same time. So these activate these activities so cascade how full year about. So I was always reminded me of the mosquitoes would wanna stay on tides for it. So okay. All right. Well, let's get it. We'll talk about what -squitoes in a second. But yeah. So how how is this research light where? Yes. So we have lots of research at the moment with different things. We I study of the structure and see how resistant and stronger because we can use something that it will break away. So then you have to go for the base bar. And then you start going into what it doing? And then how's house doing it? Then you can like make perfect to make medicine Jerko peel, whatever, but you need to like go like law steps, what did you say? This was your ph D research. So I have my peer to the that. Have my peer to the parasites to are. Now, presumably yuko doctor before your presumably that PHD. Well, so what are you? What are you doing? Now, you still researching the same field or v moved onto what king? In the same way. More parasite so peptide from parasites hookworms. Okay. The ones you saw yesterday little ones that have that long travel cycle to get in. You say we all work with parasite and all those nice things. So whenever we have actual signs X person's show you like to find out how they got into the field that they're in. So what what was your childhood like how did you end up wanting to pursue this? As a profession me. Also, how much did you do over there? And how much did you ever hear over there in? Did you do your size training their chemistry in Chile? So then ripe parents are scientists to I mean. Open your legacy. What kind of scientists are they so might seem to near in my mom is chemist. Okay. So then then growing up without. So then by also. He's four, but he works in sternum. So then it's like a mix between physics and lay my mom came through all my life, and then became mystery until there, and then came here ninety my to the chemistry. How do you compare the deadliness of the wildlife into that of house? We have absolutely nothing that can. Uncured people. Like nothing. But no like here to say, especially I think if I would I don't like Sydney or something like that where the terrible. But here can you need to learn how to survive. Yes. Oh, my I was two weeks cans when arrive in my first encounter with animal where taipan so. Type snake loose. Not familiar we've parents low they're there. And then there were like I was like snake, but they were like this type. Okay. What's in any way, like run? So if they're running two words because I didn't even know. And then the other. You're live. The same species yesterday we were walking back to the car and somebody who's working on campus said that there was just one dangling at head level result was excellent. Right near the most. Yeah. Part of it's just one of the cleanest that we that we passed on the way out of the lab yesterday. And he also had. Oh, yeah. I also removed Brown snake from behind the stack as the other day, which is another one of the ten deadliest snakes. Yeah. Jane, the lab we have very little like this in the US except for Florida, which is junior. I know about the US but Florida Gators in palmetto bugs, but like nothing compared to the jellyfish stings. You wanna commit? Case it didn't finish off self leaves bell fell talk themselves, and that we just nap them off to its and I was hoping to get some surfing in any of the stops on this tour, and then I found out no one goes in the ocean here without something covering every inch of their body. And even the taking off the wetsuit or the light GRA if you so much as just swipe a finger someone who was working in the lab accidentally had I guess it wasn't a jellyfish that was supposed to make suicidal, but doesn't kill you. Right. And you don't find out for twenty minutes that it happens over there who showed us around. I've yesterday was noting. Yeah. There's video documentation of this person's ordeals lately. That's so cruel listeners. Find that hang on. I'm running Mike. I'm we have led YouTube channel nature sites in the footage of him on the vomiting because of the pain. These it's pretty good. Willing to in the show notes over does yoga. You'll supervisor slash of lab. All right, cool. And that's also been Discovery Channel. Documentaries twitching on the bed. It's it's amazing footage. Really do it. When you work it. I don't know how many of us ientist guests in the policy and in a situation where your fate your failures newsworthy. Any light workplace in jail. They'll go in the documentary about health terrifying and horrifying these things make us. Well, he's he showed us around the mosquito lab who like he I just look straight up like someone from World War Two jungle film, like he's just like the guy who has been there forever and meets the hero with a bottle of gin. He's he is to -squitoes Quint is to shark's jaws. Yeah. I was telling us how like oh, yeah. Yeah. They'll they'll feed them. Mosquitos need to wait. So we'll nurse them effectively. Like, just what's just Chevrolet. And the mosquitoes with his own flesh. It's so motherly. This anymo- around. So if someone wanted to go into students to get the twenty bucks to get fit on in the US students, donate blood. Donate their their discomfort and sit in this makeshift northern Australia house, where there are thousands of Ito's it will feed on them for twenty minutes to get twenty bucks or something. I guess it still giving the blood, isn't it. Kind of nation. It is I don't know if you get the same Cup of tea and biscuits. It is frankly horrifying, my what was obviously bit over the last couple of days, but what was your starting science? How you get into it. I as I said in the in that always realize those deep into Geico always love stuff going up. And so he tried to genetics mostly through university and was looking at moss and cancer for I'm mutations to work on one of the different skin pigmentation, James because most of us have various different mutations that lead to a hair and skin color and Aikawa, and so does all lined up to find a job after that. And then a few weeks before right up started for writing final faces as you describe flew off, my Wyche and use my face a break on the 'bitumen, recommended and break, mom, especially face, and the running joke is always being to get an extension for owners, you need to show you. Good. So I didn't do that turned up with broken smash rice. That was pretty good. A hundred to two days before Christmas because nobody starting to member extensions not ideal. And because all the jugs get out in van because grants come in. So everything had gone. So I went around and apply for everything I get my hand on onto the job that was expressing these Varo Fridays. Taught me a couple of different skills that I didn't know at the time, but the very often very weird expressing pardons with yeast insect cells. A year later, the parasite lab was off someone who could do this, and they hit they grabbed me and abate was parasites ever since two thousand one. So do you to work together in the laboratory like like you actually work with each other to see each other across the lavender? Hey, how's power how you'll parasites doing? Yes. And no. So we the mayor to the people by themselves. But at the same time we worked together in the same project. It's person had the own activity. So then why for example, I do peptide and work with all their type of Moto disease, and they he does all the motor disease. But then he worked with that. We do. So then to second makes between us we'd need us. How so with your stuff? Like, how do they know what this healing mechanism is? What do they how do they have any idea? What it is. It actually cools is the limit to Hilo. That's what we really thought. It's not just the liberal hill. Anything? So we do tesla regular wins. He'll heels them forty percent faucet. Which is pretty impressive and touch these ancient growth of founding all the way from bacteria all the way up to us, which is really weird. That's something that's all across species and actually draws us. Oh growth through. So everyone's probably head of insulin used that to help vettix and is critical for keeping Ola glucose levels of the control. It's also a critical pot of cell replication for normal growth factors, whereas outgrow this weird and wonderful one that I will do it without insulin. And so we're trying to work on the short answer is no we don't actually know how it works. And we're trying to do that right now. Results results. Yeah. For show, you how much pressure is there to have. The timelines are always very slow for drugs as far as getting them to the public even once you've proven their efficacy. So when you're just talking to someone into describing your job. Oh, wait. So is that going to solve my uncle's non healing wounded the next year to say certainly wouldn't be anyway waiting to that. Because we haven't even started planning phase one trials, which is the initial safety. Charles, you do, but if we got the right money in the right funding, it could be in five years or so these things especially things desperate eight can go through reasonably sunset five years. Doesn't sound quick bet. It is on that thing. Set up a go fund. S can make this happen. Well, you would you be allowed to tested on yourself? We were talking on the drive over about the ethics of self testing. I think definitely new rules coming in and around has them too. But I'm not sure I would want to because they're. Because their risk testing anything. So these things also wouldn't even be that useful tests on me because we'd be going off to these chronic warriors that just behave completely differently. So it would be off the people with these different ulcers diabetic foot wins. And also is there a risk because I. Just to see some evidence in the movie, I am legend that this would cause vampires. Why not let's go that was one of my favorite documentaries. Lot golic. Do it in a church that'll help you scientists have thought of ever. It's no beating facts to our American listeners. We like I said, this is my first time in Australia. I've been here now for less than forty hours and less than twenty four hours. My brain is still fried from jet. Like, this isn't what I expected at all this looks very much like Hawaii up here in the north. And you guys are going through an unseen rainy monsoon season pretty much. Yeah. Yeah. You have weather as animals that can kill. Yeah. We've we've been lucky here. We're going to call it the it. But basically this year we've actually had a couple of zombie cyclones started on one side of Queensland and gone across the top weakened dot L fight off again, come back. And at the moment is a giant trough over Townsville causing all sorts of flooding damage so steer clear of there yet heard it's actually a state of emergency. That's just crazy to everyone there, but is beautiful country up here. Like, I have. Recommended to all of our listeners. Maybe don't pick the rainy season. Yeah. He's nice. The winter Rinta the middle of the is the tourist season you actually get anything even fatally approaching winter. I most think of is not this is hot season. And then that's not it's not really winter because we have to. Highs of twenty six degrees. Dry and nice. Quick math. What is that seventy five to five maybe Fahrenheit yet right now. It's a hundred percent humidity. Which is why I'm in my performance shorts for my extreme, casual look. Michigan family that does not deal with. A hundred percent humidity mosquitoes fresh off the plane yesterday that was quite a you've got you've definitely and he's going for yacht. Casual audio podcasts. Sorry. What other shows even made of all birds, not a sponsor? But if. The best travel. She found so far skied rooms of the worst possible thing to take you if you're taking from because the designed to be hot, and humid and wet for the mosquitoes to thrive, and my family were like, filet Mignon. I can't believe anybody would volunteer to be bitten let alone that makes that he doesn't even get reactions. Now, he just puts his arm in the bug dorm, which is the actual brand name of the device gets a shitload bites on and then he doesn't get welts from it. I didn't know that was a thing called the bug dome. It's done, isn't it? They spend a whole lifetime in there. Today just live there for the first year. And then they move in with friends. RA's are real. To me steal reaction, the helping saving years here. But I don't know how you would get used to it. I guess it's just the genetic thing some people might likely for them. I don't know. Whether he did he say that he never ever go reactions, even when he was young whether he just yeah. No. He's not. You know, he's too busy feeding the most. Among humans in an air conditioned room. There's no limited risk of instant death. Yeah. That's still absolutely blew my mind that I don't know why I guess they have to go somewhere. And he also was involved in designing many of the traps that people now use that's the other thing when she raised mosquitoes. You got a really good idea of what they're into they love high contrast. So there was like a black and white combination device that they're trying to and then just a fan sucking them in that works pretty well mosquitoes stupid. Effectively. I don't want to cure fever. But if you can introduce these modified mosquitos that have this law will back we'll back you it's bacteria. Yeah. And if you can get a population to have enough males and females with that, then Dan Gable? Just guess it's more blocking it from coming in. So we're not a country. That's endemic means that it's not here all the time. It's on the tourist bring it in a resell often. And since I've done the we'll back you mosquito releases. I haven't had any transmission. So that means somebody comes in and gets bitten it goes to somebody else as a tourist bringing dang gay. Well, because it takes a couple weeks sofa symptoms to really appeal. So you have it in your system. And then a mosquito bites you and then goes to someone else. Yeah. And then especially because they'll come in feeling a little bit fluey might be overly bad. And this hang hanging out and getting bitten again like that documentary outbreak. Often. Yeah. They all vary. If you've never traveled so Stradey, they all very strict on the way in about anything you bring in both any food any wood products. Any muddled your shoes surprised to me the warning that you on the plane? They do say one of the things that like if you feeling ill report it to you get nervous even have anything. He's like. Yeah. I was I use this way. Okay. I'm not worried about having drugs on me guns or anything. I'm just like if I have a great, then I know. No, one should be good. All I have is duffel bag full of cane toads. Already have them with. You get double cane toad. Where's Kato's actually live in everywhere? Just everywhere everywhere. Everywhere. Cover that I'm past episodes. But I'd forgotten exactly what the problem was Mike. Explain it this morning. I'm like that is the most convoluted problem and then attempt to solve the problem in tempt to sell the problem. Trading. The. Basically a really good at surviving. And I eat everything and most things that try to eat them die. So a real. They found this Knicks that were trying to eat. But then they died because poison talked about the slightly poison cane, toad sausage. It's been dropped all over the country teach animals Nazi king toads by just making them sick. And not killing them. This sort of cane toad animal version of your dad making smuggle the cigarettes. Right. Your acing all of these until. Sugarcane here is a big crop like like in Hawaii. And there was a different animal that was destroying that crops came towards introduced to battle those ineffectively. Yeah, the indicate don't actually eat is the the breeding kind beta school, and so they live on the top of the Stokes and breed on the top and the full down to pretty much die, and then they can get which will to do anything. Pretty. Belt on who? Who actually brought them over whose idea was? This was actually some scientists bit south of cans. I think it's kind of embarrassing for a role, but we're much better at planning stuff now. Hopefully, this was not a Yahoo serious. I don't know our listeners you see I have no idea. How ubiquitous knowledge of Yahoo serious is amiss country, but as a child of the eighties. How many people have seen me out who serious movie in the audience tonight? Oh my God. Only two. Young Australia's national film this. Yeah. Yeah. I downloaded too. I should say both. Watch on the flight over. Asleep by Australia. But yeah, that was it was like crocodile Dundee United Stein that was what every child eighties new of Australia. I still have one of those movies. Someday. Have you seen all of the crocodile? I've seen no cockatiel then to back to the is the first one is in he's in New York, and he's fishing New York. So the second one must be back here, right? Of all the crocodile Dundee. This is kind of shameful. Remember, we have we have listeners who tend to correct some things. So if we have any listeners who are exposed in the crocodile Dundee movies the HOGAN family, Paul not hulk or in the. Speak now, forever, hold your noise. As long as the first one one. One the accent. You're that's no good. Okay. So. So what do you do to actually? So where where in some flour even peptides like what do you do? How does it work? Sorry, wearing a some flour feet. Okay. So yeah. Like, they're different type some have it in the seat. They're all the ones, for example, these these plant that you make tea, and then he hoped a women for pregnancy just to have the baby faster, then that t- had these peptide too. So then he's tip day in then they're in different type of depending on the player or the seed in this case, the peptide, so they are some of them. They're bigger some smaller, but the majority are Sekwa, and then do you know, what the mechanism is with that? When it comes to helping things like CD echo. No, depending where like depending of the peptide, depending what these little things are they going to be doing. So. It will depending of the structure. So then. Yeah, I know what it could be. So what is the process, then you go through try and find outs like peptides thing? Put exemple the first thing you have the same that make we have things that might have more than one compound. So in this case, I don't know the parasite have lot pertains in peptides. And so then you have to start I trying to see what they are. So you can have thousand million whatever. And then try like these will be police. These will be rapidly. And you have to try lots of them to see one that were for something and then star citing that one into different pieces, and then to June initially tested on healthy people. See how they responded use go straight to testing on people who already have diseases and try and we don't go with people. So then you go with them laboratory motto, they could be animal model or to sell lane things. And then you start analyzing from there. And then when you are sure very sure of that is working people people event, you still. Event you still working with healthy people that you start working with people who already like, okay, you might need this treatments. The same the meek, you can go we healthy people because your body have to be producing the deceased. So you can go with health people. You know, if he's doing something, right? So then when your body to and then you can see is decreasing these these calling up and then studying differ level. Swap on a timeline. You guys talking about potentially. That's lower. Penny for example, it might to the doing something all these took like four five years. So then from there. Lap thing for them from that to people to ten years as always good answer. It's really hard tonight. Will depend on. How many do you have? For example. We have so many that we don't know what could be like doing something. So then you have to study one by one until you get a result such a foreign thing. I think too I shouldn't speak for you mad. But like we both come from pretty physics, and Matt sort of theoretical science backgrounds and the life sciences are just constantly mystery to me because it does sound like it's sort of you have to throw everything gets the wall and see what sticks and then burrow down into that. Until you find something that works as opposed to being able to say, we can just look at some theory, run some equations, and then build a thing. Like, no, you have to kind of hear all the options test them all to see what's affective is that not disparaging your field. Either say that it's just kind of third of. And then you have these old old these program that help you to. So for example, if you know distracter, something what all the little molecules that are making it then you can. Put it in programs. And then you might have some idea that what they could be doing. And then you start like rolling out things that probably won't work for it. Not to go with every. Biology, so complicated. And we're finding more and more that. When you find one compound that treats, the does X it might even be doing a little bit of all the things that until you test it in a whole whole body want. You went find out. Yeah. That's a happy for example with minds with with cancer. And then we went to inflammatory about because the same to start doing different things. You're like, oh, maybe not but probably school for these. And you said you could could you isolate the damage cells in someone with also declared us or Krones and just analyze those in a Petri dish. Or is it always have to be in a full system of an animal or human that you're testing it or so what we do. We know for example, we don't know exactly all the cell with highly by where we know is just level in your body. So for example, immune response, then you have these cytokine in these, blah, blah that when you're sick at this high and the other one of these low so you can make that and then make seek and then you're playing with that immune response has Ila full working system of some organism. It can't be isolated completely a little bit. So those cells we showed you yesterday that cells growing in culture. So you have very liquid media that you can grow them up when you know, what you're looking for. You can have particular mean system sells can treat it with X Y Z and look for these various hormone changes of kinds. Sometimes. Yes. But sometimes it's a lot of you're gonna walk out something that's working, then you're gonna find the cell system to to be able to screen for that. But you always try and use the cell systems. I because there are a lot cheaper in Asia. But a lotta time a hole at a mole is unfortunately required. Although speaking of chief, you did show us something yesterday that was a nine hundred dollars per slide in your lab, what was that? That was one of the partner is this is basically a little microscopic slide, and it's got nine thousand different parties dotted on a microscopic scale, and that allows us to do things we put Claudia's partying on my part on it and see which human pardoning interacting with. So that's another way that we can potentially avoid extensive animal work by finding the direct mechanisms and help us understand how it's doing what it's doing saying things nine thousand, but it's still cheaper than a student. Yeah. Also listeners because again because the video as well every time you mentioned parasites being point these flags hanging. This. Here too. Which is which are which have some spices on it. But also, what are the parasites that hanging there? Okay. So we've got a ticket. I think in green on the rut that and then moving over the hookworm. So that's when you saw just say, and that's got that big terrifying. Mouth. I always think of the ones the sandwich from during the big big mass body thing, and I constantly say the other ones, but probably something just horrifying some shouting out because he had we've got the lighten arise in that. Then all let what other Las take had less. Very good who doesn't have head lice. Is that a head lice scientifically interesting to you is stuff that you can study about I haven't done any work on the certainly love and stuff applying with but probably mostly trying to get rid of them. We were talking to mix today about mosquitos and come up with a podcast. Like, you always assume that there will be unintended consequences if you Radic eight any species entirely, and we asked him what his take on getting rid of mosquitoes bit. He was like, maybe no problem abate. Well, I'm sorry. It's kind of. Bitter in that. So he was talking about just getting rid of that particular type which is there in Dangi. It's understandable. But most of the time is the whole range of different species. So you're a bird or whatever other predator isn't going to be taking just one species, usually, so you could take out this particular types of species that are problematic for malaria, and Zico and other problems. And he's sorry Sani. If there was a species that only relied on those it was probably pretty weak anyway. And his words out the fun discuss it. Yes, they just say is it the same species of mosquito. This restaurants before all three of those diseases the couple of different species. But yet generally they tend to be the same species. Dick. Mosquitos all the number one killer on the world. They they are the animal that kills the most people. Remember that from the little useful trivia questions? Like way ahead of any of is like an one or two orders of magnitude ahead of anything that is no that is like visually that it's just not as cool dog tiger or something. I know of the big things that you isn't the hippo right up there as well. It's also eating its mold. The hippo actually kills more people in Africa than all the other big cats combined. But that's because people don't think the scary and the very territorial and they'll come up and just pound into. But they're not trying to digest, you know. Not that makes. Fully better to be used. If you're gonna get killed. All the be if I if I had to choose I'd rather be eaten by something. That was getting something out of dick thought I was in space. One of the things that I'm both contributed to society and delicious. Yeah. Talking to me like if I was murdered by a man, I would rather it was for food. Just because I was in his pub. We talked about other things here that will kill you. I assumed it was these smaller things we saw jars and no actually are terrifying risky thing. Here is not just we've actually had a few deaths from them the last couple of years. I guess we shouldn't make light of that. I assumed it was like sharks where it's like you're more likely to be strutting ten times than have. But no, stay stay clear of clocking aisles and box jellyfish on crocodiles actively like dick says, well, they will they will track. He'll behavior and movement. Oh, yeah. We've got lots of people who've walked along the bay especially with a little dog and had a crocodile just basically stalk them in the water. A little story. I used to work here in cans in the sugar Ammiel. So we used to have some take sample from the water, and then have the river full of signed for Caputo. So used to go with someone else to pick up the sample, and then east to be with them with a torch. So we used to go different our different day. So they only thing I mean, if you see anything red children, okay because the ice we thought the red because we are at night a sample. So they could see it because it today, I think for them to easier to spot them in the Doug. That's why they. I should point out for our American this by torch. You mean flashlights because oh, yes. To an American that just means like a sort of flaming tool. Sean. Which is one that didn't even occur to me until wait, my friend Neko who we sorta American mentioned that to his American inlaws just mentioned not being one of his favorite Christmas. Brennan says a kit. I got a torch and the Americans are like. Like a burning. Monsters you needed to be most British angry village. Storm castle fit pitchfork connection. These seven. Yes, he very event with you're going somewhere. Whether or crocodiles you have to consistently vary date time day and everything. So they don't. Okay. That's that's the routine. Came today. Chilean scientists. Here at three pm everyday with a little vial putting. Show. We'll. Arthur some rules of thumb about colors brightly colored things. Usually, meaning stay away is that safer foam or something. I heard somewhere on a different podcast that's less qualified than ours. Not really sure I was certainly a lot of the venomous snakes and whatnot. Maybe Al Jerry girls might be able to help with that one. Bright, bright colors, usually a signifier to steer clear of something. Sorry. I'm. All the guy who showed us our jellyfish yesterday. This have animal heavy could I I which means that bright colors normally main danger in some animals have learned to mimic the coloration of the animals to stop themselves getting Aiden, even though they're not actually poisonous themselves. Because there are some snakes that have the same three colors, but in different orders ones, poisonous in one isn't. Rednecks yellow kills fellow. I'm always what if you're ever in a situation where you're having to remember, ROY. And thank God rednecks yellow yellow yellow next to Rachel ready. Blue. Green rain what? Saying that people know very well caller out to run to me takes exactly I think I think run, although then you like which ones which ones do you run? And which ones do you play dead. Serpentine? Yeah. Make yourself. Big crooked does run in his exact 'cause I gotta tune in Chona's and shorts. You punch on the nose. So that you're tough or something or. Yeah. Do they really MC finding during competitions? Yes. What else? Yeah. So the play dead thing with with bears. I forgot according to Jean Merman quoting someone's joke. I'm not going to I think that's a rumor started by bears. Yeah. So we could kill you that we saw at the edge. You query them again yesterday because that's the shelf of death which has been teased many times in the podcast. You finally showed this show here with all these things in jars can kill you different ways. And then you're by their these aquariums. And one of them was a clown fish. And it's like wait is me. Mo a secret did. But you also just have some cool fish that kids want to. Looks pretty. Very nice of a combined the ten second death hours of pain. There's good ones. Yeah. And then and then Kirk Adele, but like a little one. So then like adult me take finger up. Very cute crock selling us, and I could take it. If visitors are in the area can anybody to stop by knock on the door and see that educates them. Oh, no. We got a special generally days in particular times that they'll have say, you can probably check that website. Little more information. I think turns year that they opened the university. Yeah. You can come in the mosquito. Mosquitos? Justice, and you can you can make a profit and. Rhymes down. What are you learning when you're getting bitten by the scheme? Not get bitten by mosquitoes. Suck. That was. All the growth very upsetting. Was came out about. What else should we be on the lookout for not that you guys need to be our guides for the rest of this tour, but we're going to be hitting up. I think four more cities. Perth Brisbane Melbourne, and Sydney if all goes to plan, what should we steer clear of as far as things will kill us, and any other general Australia tips, I mean, generally, follow fully warning signs of the problems go, especially with the cockatiels people. Obey the warning signs. And they're the telling you today Sydney's Brown's king Brown snakes. But again in the city run into them thing I into Sydney several times never really seen anything. You can't get funnel webs in suburbia. But again, Phil you gotta be at a little bit with a bit of a yard and stuff. On the deadly Al vision, black widows that deadly spider in the world as well. Well, let's let's debunk if you more venom related things because I've always heard you get bitten by a jellyfish. And then what do you do well to possible riches, correct? Apparently, so vinegar or nature's vinegar. But it turns out those activate. So sometimes again, we were very jetlagged getting talk yesterday. So I'll try to paraphrase if I'm wrong with throw your Mike. But the venom sacs inside you can actually get reopened by and make your pain much worse. So. Okay. So really hot water is the actual solution as hot as you can possibly without without burning your skin off CPR, I make sure someone's breathing and then. Already help off while giving them, and then we also heard about the mechanism where the stone fish, which was in the top five. I think are up there for pain. Right. You step on that? It's got basically built in hypodermic needle where it breaks your skin. And then as you go farther down your pressurising, the sack that puts all the venom inside you. So we we need to refer pup when we impact we need to talk to poss- guest on the show. Comedian Brennan burns who three days ago in puff stepped onto stone finish. Wow. You get first hand experience. The personal the like the lifeguard or whatever is when is a jellyfish whatever's going to suck for couple of days you find and then someone else went no you need to get to a hospital and. The audience gone through any of these bites. We talked about so far by show of hands. Oh this country safe. It's all propaganda to keep tourists out. Tourism board. Spreading all those that my mother low that just they're these Potter ones that were working went to horses, and then this nake Peter twice in the leg. And then I got you. Took him with my fellow to take it to the hospital, and he was worried my of animal. They won't do anything just going through the by very paranoid. But they were fine because he knew the species of snake. Yes. It was definitely fine. So because non venomous species of say we do. So if bitten. One. How about the urban legend? If it is that of just trying to suck. The venom out with your mouth is definitely not because. You might get venues. What what should off and pressure bandage generally is and elevated if you can keep calm to keep right down. Dizzy, hang on elevates to limb that's been bitten. Is that right goalie the opposite is what you should maybe. Don't go wrong 'cause I collected. Collect like I said, yeah, I collected snakes snakes as a kid. And I knew the ones that were made to Michigan in the environs and get bitten the lot by these ones that I knew weren't venomous because I was a dorky tender to read books on it and stuff and like one time my dad's saw getting bitten on the hand. Then rushed into the house and started sucking on it spitting in this league, dad. It's dad it's gutters. I know my snakes dad stops putting in the time, stop sucking, my hand just this thing. But. But. I don't know if I show of hands. How many how many of your dad's on your hands? Good. Safe place. Listen to be learned here. Yeah. I think most places most places even in this area. Which definitely does have more of the scary things than many other positive Stradey. I think still unless you're actively in a lab in which is contained. Around the said several on campus that are been around, but long as you sensible also said there was a huge python as well. He's beautiful. Very go. Just sometimes these the animals have surprise. I mean, I guess in the same way that the worm spit is digging into your liver, but also healing. It was at the stone fish that might have a potent painkiller constant the cone snail, which is the one that definitely kills you. Right. People put these in their pockets, and because they're mosques, they crawl up inside themselves. You think it's just a shell. You put your pocket, you're out the pub, suddenly, you keel over someone thinks too much to drink the snail in your pocket Stumm you and you are dead, and that's actually story. A real thing that same coach nail can somehow be modified to create a painkiller that if my brain remembers fifty times stronger than morphine ten times ten. Offing but not addictive. So we'll even the in those are peptides yet. Yeah. Con sale. Yeah. They're peptide. So that could be the solution and how far out Livia ballpark might that be as a solution to everyone's pain problems. Five ten years. Five years is always. Do we know? Liddiard Klaudia to they know the mechanism by which that works as a painkiller. I think they do. But I'm not too sure about the constant. I know that my supervisor with that. So that's why I know that they have peptides. They're very potent peptide pep not sure how mechanism pressure that might have some study raising thing that we we don't really know how many painkillers actually work or is that bullshit. A think has suspicions that essentially a lot go be a lot more going on than some of the time. They know at these cones snail, painkiller peptides, are they fun? I wanted to say the thing I'm glad you went through. I like give you a good vibe. Sure. Cone, snail dens. Started in the east and spread west. People lying reclining on red velvet couches and pillows to stick and snails and their arms. Yeah. Sure. Guys. It's good. That's my favorite bullshit Natural's like, so awesome. So many things solid snake's cook it already mentioned his natural good with that. Yeah. That type hand was dangling from adore way at neck level. It wasn't a GMO snake? On a wealth. Rated organic snakes. Say offer us the venom from spiders here for treatment cancer, breast cancer. For example. What is the one way what is the treatments pep from the so they just they're peptide in pertain. But they. We are studying the peptide so they're trying to use a peptide into, sir. So they to kill the the council so another another one is trivial pint developed from my young scorpion toxin that basically preferentially binds to cancer cells in particular, brain cancer cells, and so they can have a fluorescent tag on it. So that I can look when the cutting cancer out. Got it all take all these that without taking the the healthy cells. So the so the Tatra fluorescent dye to the to the chemical from the scorpion venom injected into the body it binds to the cancer cells, and then have to presume do surgery under a black light. But. Is excited that gets hit with particular colored lights, and you're listening. Little bit more techie than black live funny. Few black and that works and black lights. The music pumping burning. I know I know they do genuinely have music playing in the eighteenth. I'm show. There's like this to Chasa gin. And the classical music says there's probably the surgeon as well. This the thing you've heard that there actually is using music playing in not usually. But I know it's thing, oh, we got listeners to doctors and surgeons or. Friend. Helen, the needs to to listen to this. Helen is music in the in the theater right to us who gets to choose it. Well, how about those that we met with yesterday and for cloudy and Mike here? What's your music of choice when you're in the lab or the field? I listened to sign of. Oh, always both. I do love. But also eight depresses me seriously. When I find out the real scientists listening to nonsense when that doing real science we all distracting you and setting science back, actively inhibiting the process of science, depending if you have very long hour, you want something that make you to relax or seen. So. Recommendations then. You're the plug a test. But the thing about like we got to chat about the fun bit of science weather results and findings stuff and you have to do the hours and hours of slowly petting something. And then looking at something then counting things definitely you don't want letting because he would start dancing and then. I love Metallica count try to it. So something relaxing with not much going on heavy Bates or anything where you are to. If you are inside the lab in there too, many people probably you'll be with headphones some of the back. They're saying I see DC. Good result to the to the query him Crete various creatures respond to loud music. Just imposing it on them, very shy. It was one of the multicolored things that will bite your thumb off on my right? The peacock mantis shrimp. Oh, that's the one with the ridiculously punch that we've talked about the break your thumb, and they broke through the glass, separating parts of the aquarium. Right. That's. Territorial these fucking. Absolutely us holes. Again, like doesn't wanna feed them just wants to punch me and break my theme that now that remember when our we work with someone that he Milt the spiders, so when he going to make this by the he put class music, so it feels like it relaxing. So it helps to have more been courting wining and dining spiders, and this is specifically milking event. I'm not like milking, the milk that would be a lot harder. You need very tiny bicycles. I poked them to get them angry. And then the venom drips off their findings, and then the pet you very calmly suck off the very tardy amounts of venom. In the left like with a classic music area there to inspire. The you said they have to get them the exact right amount of angry because if to angry the Benham was it sprays all the two angry. They'll by venom in the bar. And you say you need to get them enough that come out to investigate too. But not so angry. I just sit there, and and drip that Tipper different type of venom depending of how they feel to it might come something different for then you want something like all the time the same. What was something? We we worked with the scorpions, and you guys have talked about previously the defensive and offensive versions of scorpion. Venom that we showed that the scoping is that will change the different versions. It can kill crickets with one and defend itself against mammals Mossel other things that are going to eat it, and it can change change the amount of veterans that makes. Depending on whether you feed it live crickets or leave it alone pike with a tax w math. Yeah. So they molecule they're inside the venom so get to make them too angry or not that. And then you sort of like have a dead or life like mouse on a stick that you push towards the. Someone of the back saying, yes. Actually works in one of these labs. Franken is a dead mouse on a stick that. I right, okay. Puppetry? You do give it a little shimmy like a little live around. And. Yeah, this one Franken mouths got stabbed by hundreds and hundreds of Skopins went through it. So. Putt grinding them. But again, you got used. That's all you want. Good us. Yeah. I wanna donate my buddy to science dead and. A fat means the some Queensland scientist is putting me on the end of a stick slowly pushing me to some Scorpius than Franken. Hey. Cloudier and Michael how how can listen to find out more about you? And everything you do. Well, we've we've got a research research pages on JC dot com. And also, if you Google names probably pull up so LA's work, some papers that we have public too. Someone run to fighters. There's usually media releases to that has it never to light language that you can read about what we've done sweet. And we we got we got to thank again like huge. Thank you to inspiring, Australia, Australia institute of technology. Institute of tropical hope and help them medicine in the society of areas. Yeah. This is the first time we've done anything in Australia as the podcast and. And the fight even cans, we you guys came out, and we we're very happy to be here. And thank you as well, the venue and thank you. I know this volunteers out this thing. So we have a huge for everyone who's made this happen or. Like all of the venue, and Michael and all of the volunteers and everyone at the university, he showed us around, please. Thank you so much those guys. Appreciate it. We really usually appreciate it. And thank you so much. Thank you cloudier. Thank you, Mike joining us on the stage. Thank you so much both of you. That was awesome having fun. Listen this. Thank you. Thank you. And we'll see you at the ball.

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Mexico Caves Reveal Ancient Ochre Mining

60-Second Science

03:16 min | 11 months ago

Mexico Caves Reveal Ancient Ochre Mining

"This is scientific American sixty seconds science I'm emily swing. Sometimes, discoveries seem so simple. You know basically we've found a bunch of holes in the ground that's Edward Reinhard he's an archaeologist and geologist at McMaster University in Ontario Canada, but you know ultimately very important holes in the ground reinhard on colleagues believe they've found some of the first clear evidence of mining activity in a system of caves in Kintana ru on the peninsula the fine dates back to between ten and twelve thousand years ago. These are some very early people that have come and migrated to the Americas via the during straight. But getting to what remains of these miners and the tools they laugh is a challenge like cave divers you got to be so careful you don't get lost. These caves systems in Mexico, which were once dry are now completely filled with water. Thanks to a warming climate and sea levels that rose over time winding passageways are narrow and dark, and the walls are made of unforgiving limestone porous and with sharp edges. Reinhard says the water that filled the caves has preserved everything. It's basically almost like you know somebody working at a factory, they turn the lights off and they went away and nobody ever came back when divers started telling reinhard about what they were seeing inside the cave. He decided to go for a dive himself. He found concentrations of charcoal meaning that the people who walked here thousands of years ago probably used fire to light their way and there are stone. Cairns which Reinhardt believes the people built as navigation markers. Also says lots of tools remain and they were made from the stalagmites that hung from the cave ceiling breaking off and then using use hammer. So you can see the percussion marks where they were banging up the you know breaking up the stone on the bottom. The discovery is in the journal Science advances. So what were these ancient people mining and prospecting for there is a little bit of sediment still on the wall of. The pit. So I grabbed a vial and my sampled island, grab some of the sediment and underwater the red light gets attenuated. So Look Kinda Brown I was thinking well, maybe it's ochre you know is thinking about that but it's like well, looks Kinda creepy of that's what it is but then I got got out of the cave into the sunlight and it was just like this spectacular bright bright red. So then I knew. What they were after ochre it's among the earliest known pigments employed by humans and it's got many uses for sunscreen to preserve animal skins and burials and ceremonies, and people still use it even today in artwork. It was you know it's a prominent in used Gio material if you will through time for your end and dates data usage for thousands of years prior to around the world. Thanks for listening for scientific American sixty seconds science I'm. Emily Swing.

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Karen O with Sam Spiegel

Talkhouse Podcast

46:18 min | 2 years ago

Karen O with Sam Spiegel

"Yeah. No, we did like a little a little session. The timing wasn't great. And I feel like it was a little bit funny. But like I said, it's not like that's it never going to happen again. You know it's just like all right. Let's wait till the timing feels better. And everybody's kind of on the same page in the right frame of mind for it. Hi, this is Carrie brownstein. Right here, right yet, Tyler truck called quest for at sin Brits. All of your Yosef. My cosmo. And you're listening to the talk house podcasts. Is up. I'm Elliott Einhorn. Welcome back to the talk house podcast this week. My guest host is Nick Dawson, editor in chief of token, someone what we just heard was Carreno talking to Sam Spiegel giving us a little update into what exactly is happening with the as a huge fan of the bad. I'm very excited to hear that. Although they may not have a new record in the works. They're still, you know. Are you saying there's a chance, she's saying there's a definite chance, Nick, definite chance, which makes me very happy? And we get so many, cool similar insights, into everything Cairns, working on everything Sam Spiegel's working on in this conversation. Now, Sam, of course, is an L A based quintupled threatening. He's a producer. He's a songwriter. He's a composer. He's a DJ and he's a director. Yeah. He's been doing some really cool stuff and commercials, ending stuff the Wu Tang clan. And he is the, the biggest week inclined fan. So that stuff is pretty double. And of course, the reason that he knows. Karen is that he's spike Jones's brother so movies this runs. In the family. Right. Right, spike. And Karen dated a number of years back and when Karen I moved to LA, she and Sam were introduced and artistically hit it off right away. Now Sam aside from working with. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, has worked with some incredible artists over the years, including through his project NASA that stood for north America, South America, the guests on that record were staggering Kanye west. Leaky Lee, David Byrne the cardigan ze. M I A George Clinton, John, for shanty of the red hot chili peppers, and so many more, including a bunch of the Wu Tang clan killary, whatever the killer bees, Nick, okay, I will. Now Sam is dropping a full length record in late July. He's dropped a couple of singles, though, Nick, let's take a listen to the song that carano calls a banger perfect. To Paris Barlow. Gad or so. Moon to look. On. There was some foul with. Banger. I love this on while we're talking about your records Carreno, of course, has her first record in a number of years. Looks pre my wish made with danger bass, which is this expansive dreamy cinematic record? I really really love it before we get into me tell you a little bit Kano. You probably don't know that much about her never heard of her. This is redeemed. Now. This record has a great sound, Nick. Yeah. I really love it. And, you know, while we're talking about it, spike Jones and Carreno and the Spiegel family genius. I gotta say Karen soundtrack for where the wild things are is from my money, one of the great films anthrax, so beautiful. It's perfect, the really cool thing about Karen and Sam having this conversation at this particular time is that Sam has this sensorium project, which is kind of like an audio visual experience. He's great around his music. And Karen has just had an amazing short run with an encounter with looks prima, which has her own audio visual, sensory experience, which run at Marciano in LA. I believe we'll be popping up around the country, she talks in this conversation about how much she hates touring, and this was her way of finding a different way of getting the record at their to people, and they talk about so much more. We hear all about their stop the virgins collaboration. Right. Which made it into the world as a set of offer theater project in two thousand twelve. But is a full record. And with fourteen years on the clock will eventually be releasing this, and it sounds amazing. They also talk about what it's like to collaborate with your brother. If you brothers spike Jones indeed. And also, what is like to make that difficult. Second album, Sam was a producer and show, your bones, which is maybe my favorite. Yeah. Yeah's record. And apparently that was a tough one to make. I was very surprised to hear about Karen's changing musical tastes as she grows older, Nick. I'm not going to spoil it for listeners, but I was very surprised and I'm kind of in the same boat. I slip a pipe. You know, put me next to maybe a little bit of, I'm not going to spoil it either. They also chop it up on Bong hits working with. Oh db and how the yes, have basically, become family. Yeah, that's pretty cool. And I'd like to think that family is going to get back together. Sued. Sounds like it. Anyway, let's dive into this. It's a great one. Let's roll it. I was hoping to set the tone, because they don't they can't see us and tell everybody that's listening to how Cairns wearing her Batman cost. And I'm my, my Spiderman costume. So should we should we kick kick into gear? Okay. Great. Take Petia then I'll. Okay. Start hiking. Hey Sam, so, yes. So, like I said, I came highly prepared today, and I was gonna kick things off with, with, with the question. What can I just want to tell people that we spoke yesterday and I was like, hey, what should we talk about? Let's figure it out. And you were like no we'll just play loose. Don't worry about it. We'll just play loose about three pages of questions. So basically Karen trick me she she ambushing me, with, like a notebook filled the questions completely these questions except for maybe two of them. So we'll see if we get. Oh, yeah. I wanted to start just like talking about how he met and stuff because we've known each other for like about fifteen years now. Basically, I had just moved to LA. I was dating a brother, your brothers lake. Oh, you don't know anybody in LA like, and my brother makes music. So, you know, when I go over to his place, and, and, like check out what he does. And I was like, okay. That sounds good. Because I didn't really know anybody can only at the time I just New Yorker for a long time before that. And then the first song start working on because we just started making music together pretty pretty much right away. Happened to be like old thirty bastards last recording. So it's interesting to me, because like for one thing. Yeah. I was like twenty five at the time I think you're twenty four and you're working with, like, do you bastard, and fat lip and money, Mark. And you kinda seem like simultaneously like unfloppable about like the story of talent you were working with young, but also like I'd say pretty egoists about, like your service like the club ration-. And I was really impressed by that. But I guess as a producer, you're generally you have to be somewhat eagles. But like I never really asked you, you know, or maybe I did. And I forgot. But, like, how did you make those connections? Like how are you working with like older? You bastard when you're like twenty years old and stuff. The first NASA record was like, I don't know. I just it was a time when people weren't doing a lot of collaborations like now. Like every song five features on. Right. Right. Right. And I just wanted to make a record like with all my heroes kind of and all the people, I admire, and so I started reaching out to people and was pretty relentless about it. And, and, you know, I grew up in New York in the nineties Tang was like my favorite grab group for many years. And I just loved them and my cat's name moutain, like a huge tank Finn. And ODBC was obviously, like the kind of heart and soul of Luton. And so, yeah, I wanted to record with him and do a song with him. And but then all the other people in the record to is like David Byrne, and Tom waits and these were just kind of music hero, so mine, and then it was kind of fun because with, like you and OD be and fat lip mostly. It was like I was able to, like, do these collaborations. It'll be like a friend of mine who's, like a young kid like me making music, and like some hero legend of ours, Senate just enter Jack because I'm curious. So when you say you were relentless about hunting them down, and like and gave them to work with you in two thousand four like was that just mean like? Emails or phone calls early meals phone calls, and like and where they generally available and around and, like people were really easy like the first one of the first people that was on the record. I wasn't so many friends with David Byrne. I admit China Chow who's David Burns, niece Seddon, even know that, but we were friends, and then she liked linked to up and the David Byrne Email me, immediately within five minutes of hearing, the song because he's like a big Brazilian music fanatic. And you know all the samples and it was very Brazilian influenced album and, and he got back right away. So sometimes it's real easy, but with ODBC he like flaked on the session like three times, and I had to go through like between. I think there was like four or five different middlemen that I was dealing with. And then I ended up at this guy named like Titanic's like hood apartment. And in Harlem to record him in the Titanic was like his engineer one of middlemen and engineer, and I showed up at his like tiny apartment in Harlem. And then ODBC flaked again. And then he ended up sending the tracks. And but yeah, it was a lot of just relentlessness. And, like, hip hop was kind of in a different state than because like, then it was like MC was king in the early two thousands like emcees where like some of the biggest artists on the world like Busta rhymes, and like, everybody, like there were huge artists. And so these rappers were just used to just like and people weren't even really touring everyone's just making so much money from the CD sales and, and features that, like they just didn't give a fuck. Right. So like they were just like yeah. Sure, like I'll show it was, it was a lot more challenging. I think now there's a lot more hunger in, like in music in general, and people are like not, everybody was, like this. But some of the rappers I dealt with, like ODBC, but you'd expect that from him but yeah, I don't know. I just like it was a lot of chasing down and just relentlessly emailing and finding figuring out how we're going to get in touch with somebody and just didn't even have a manager was just like me calling emailing and stuff. Yeah. That's pretty impressive. I gotta say, and like, I remember you talking about relationship with up to the time and like, and you guys weren't together bunch, but yeah, you just had sort of almost like a friendship or something with him. Yeah. Yeah. And you know he toward with us a lot and he was so psych because he was like a huge ODBC fan. The biggest Odobi fan in the world. It was fun like we met and just like instantly started recording to, you know, like we met. And then I feel like probably the next time we hung out, we probably made that song, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I think so. And just did like what I do like the course on or something. I don't think I've heard about, like fourteen years. I think you came in and you came up with it and like ten minutes and recorded thing. And then it was fun because from that, I think the next song, we did together was held tomorrow. Right. Right. Right. Which was first spikes hell Dita's commercial. Right. Right. Which was to this day, one of my favorite songs like I've done. It's just has such a great feeling. Yeah. I love that song. And that commercials pre awesome, too. Yeah. That was, how did that happen? That was just like he just kind of wanted some music, and, like, yeah, we'll, we'll write it. I. I. He's like, okay, total faith. You know, in our abilities, you know, one thing I was going to say it's like when we did that song. I kind of realized like the vision and like the magic that you bring this stuff. And I think like from then on, I was always just like okay, follow Karen's like instinct. You just brought like so much magic like you always do to it and the song it just feels like you and like it's like sweet but like a low like kind of mysterious and like dark to beat you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was just sort of, I guess, like flexing those muscles, at the time, like I like discovering those muscles, at the time really I think, you know 'cause like the majority of what I had done up to then was records with the band, and I feel like through our early collaborations, especially after moving to Los Angeles, just the way that PROST music, kind of shifted a bit, and like weird. I remember like just even just like the space here in LA has kind of changed now. It's like gotten so crowded, but like, but like from going from New York City to like these sort of wide open, you know, western kind of, like vistas and skies and big streets, that are like wide open palm trees and stuff. I don't know kind of like did something to my brain where just kind of opened up. More like I think creatively, and like felt like more space to explore and discover different aspects of my creatively and stuff. And then, you know, because you're like one of my only friends who made music here, you know, we did a lot of that together and in those days. So I think you helped me sort of, pave the road for that was pretty right. Right after that we went into working on the stuff divergence album, right. Yes. Which nobody really knows. For those that don't know the virgins is like a fucking amazing album that we did in two thousand and five. Right. So it's like a fourteen years. Yeah. Fourteen years, unreleased now. Yeah. And it's so cool and continuing to be unreleased. But hopefully soon. Yeah. When you say hopefully soon because this is like every year like I'm like, Karen. What the divergence album out this year. Please, I'm closer than ever. I'm closer than ever to wine that out there in the world. So it could be it could be very, very soon. What, what was like the making that album like for up for you? Yeah. That was like one of the greatest music writing Spears's my life. And again because it was just like, you know, felt like a brand new slate like west coast. We just started, you know, Ryan, this music, like with a sort of Phil spector beat. Right. That's how kicked off and then just like invited a bunch of friends to come and like join the party basically, which was like Kim deal and money, Mark and Jack Lawrence, and Patrick from like the greenhorns are slash renters and stuff like that. John for Sean day and exent. And then there was always very large Bong, you know, like. I still have actually Kevin. That's what I used to do heads. When I was in the studio that doesn't happen, so much more. And yeah. Just like came together, just like kind of like put it out of the third, and it was, it's a magnificence cope record that in a way, I think, is like the speaker that putting out lex premium with danger mouse, feels almost like like, like sequel or prequel to it in a way, it's like a similar sort of dreamy and lush kind of vibe to it. But I think the difference being back then when I was like my early twenties doing it, there's just like a lot more angst and emotion. So it's very raw, but like quite, you know, cinematic and dreamy and stuff. But anyway. Yeah. So we can't talk about that too much because nobody knows what it is. And we'll tell me about the looks prima album like, how'd you end up working with danger mouse, basically, Brian, I like, I think a back in two thousand seven we were talking about maybe working together on some music. And he played me some stuff that he was doing. And actually, it was right after we did stop versions, and it was kind of in a similar vein. So, I was like, yeah, I'm not adjusted. This other stuff that sounds a little bit like this. So let's see what else comes up. And I played him some demos ended up being crushed songs. And he's like, yeah. He's like, you know, I kind of wanna make stuff from scratch with you rather than work on, like produce like something you've already written and stuff. And so then, like, yeah. Ten years later. That like in two thousand seventeen we started like hanging out, and we kind of run into in, like interim in, like, we're both kinda mutual fans of each other's work, but then just like, yeah, we just start talking about. Okay. Well, what would happen if we just book some studio time linen and see what happened and stuff, which we did? And then looks prima like was born basically, out of that. It was a good match. You know, if you're like trying to set people up on like a music date. We're pretty well like complementary, you know, in that sense, just with the sort of stuff we like influences, and also just sort of the fact that we both have had, you know, like a similar time of being out there in the world being an artist and stuff. You know, we're kind of veterans at this point to you. So it worked on, on many levels, and we just kind of where we're at a point where we just wanted to. Yeah, just like make something RAD and not think about an after worry about singles is just like a total exploration and sort of innocent sort of discovery record, you know. When did you actually start working on the record twenty seventeen? When we started going in the studio and try things out. And yeah it's pretty awkward at first because you have to like break the ice, you know, with someone new, and I'm used to working producers like you. And like Dave Siddiq and Nick Launay who are all actually extremely casting. Get really excited like off of basically nothing. And that's a good trait artists insecure really need that and Brian's, like very different as producer. He holds his cards, really close. You know, and so, like he's more reserved. But then when, when you like flip the switch with him. He just like melts, then he shows like how enthusiastic he is just like the rest of you, but he's definitely little bit different in his kind of demeanor. So I'd like you know, during those ropes as well. I like I don't know if he likes. Yeah. I mean, thought crossing my mind a lot, and they're you know where I was like, oh, my God, I did not have this. I'm embarrassing myself, you know, like I like, you know, don't have it anymore like this is like a waste of time. So sorry, I'm wasting time and, and then like, and then, but then like, swing to like, oh my God. This is my favorite stuff I've ever made in, like this is awesome. And you like it it'd be swinging from pulled the pull a bit. But that's just kind of like how it goes as an artist in general. So, yeah, I want just to loop it back to, like, sort of what you've been doing for the last fifteen years, like since, since we met with just like these collaborations, you know, with, like pretty amazing artists. I just wanna leave it back because like these singles that you're putting out. I think you're like putting them out how often about once a month once a month. They are very dope benders. They're very dope bankers. And like I'm impressed by them, because it's like you have the experience of fifteen years doing this. But it's like you have an aged day like, like, edgewise with your sort of, like energy, and vigor. I wouldn't be able to write a banger of this, this sort, like, for instance, I'm gonna throw out one of the names. Perfect. That's like quite banging. Yeah, I won't be able to do that. It's just extremely useful and energetic and awesome. I'm kind of curious like you know how do you keep your youthful? Vigor with still lying to make like clubbing and stuff. Thanks for that. And yeah. I think I just like I listen to a lot of like club music, I listen, everything by listen to like a lot of club music and trap and festival bangers and stuff like that actually really love that type of music. And, and I feel like you know, in a way it's kind of like the newest kinda music and like fill, like music is such a timely thing, you know, and obviously the best stuff is stuff that's timely and timeless do you know but excited about like new stuff that's coming out. And, and I'm always paying attention to that inspires me a lot. And I think, you know, the kind of revolution has happened with, like Cowie's, it is to make music and dance music, and electronic music, and really complex synthesizer music into this other programming to has like changed the way people make music any kid with a laptop with, like a crappy laptop can make like an amazing banger now. And that's so so cool. So, yeah, I don't know for whatever. Reason I, you know, or for those reasons, I think I've just been really inspired by, like club music, and dance music. And, you know, also a DJ to always been a DJ, and that's always will be part of who I am. And yes, that's kind of like just in like your DNA at this plant, you're like DJ that music fairly regularly. And like you have your finger on the pulse and stuff like that. Yeah. Wanna know what's going to bang out like that, too? Yeah. Yeah. I guess I guess that's what it is that, that interests me to sort of, like how you don't seem to yet. Like for me like getting more into, like soft, rock and. Really? Like, what I don't even know. You know, I listen to like too much like, you know, oldies soft rock and night, my like sort of tolerance for, like even punk is like really kinda gone down. We're I'm just like I just like can't listen to, like I used to be able to listen to it, and I'm just like I'm really fine that trajectory of getting older, and I don't know hopefully like my taste isn't like, you know. Disintegrating. I don't think so a little bit. I think like you've always been this really like great balance of, like angst. Yes. And like power. Yeah. And then like you always loved oldies. Like, you know, it's like that's such a part of who you are. And I almost want to say that you're like an stall gist, but I don't think you're in a stall just like I think that you're like. A classicist. Yeah. I like classic stuff. Timeless classics stuff. And I think it's in your taste, not just in music. But in like everything, and it's probably part of what makes you great is having this, like, knowledge and love of that stuff in, and you can hear it in your music, especially in the like, in the Lux, prima stuff, and obviously, stop the virgin now, it's really like it's such a great mix, and it's also like sweet and heart, because you have like this giant heart and you feel stuff, so much, and you're like if so sensitive, but it's such a great balance of sweetness and angst. And I think that's like really at the core of the your music, you feel that sometimes there's like a sinister sweetness in it, and sometimes there's anger. And sometimes there's just like the sweetest most big-hearted love to right, right. Yeah. It's a mixed bag. It's mixed bag. I think it's interesting because both you and I actually we like to do all kinds of stuff, and we like to push ourselves out of our comfort zones. You know, and I guess, one of the questions would be like for me. You know, I, I have trouble with, like wanting to do the same thing or doing what comfortable with, you know, even though it's like quite uncomfortable to do things outside of that. But it's just like I have this, like, unrelenting drive to like push myself to wanna do different stuff that haven't done before, you know, and I feel like you have something similar, you know, because you're a music producer. You're you're just got into like directing your directing commercials with Luton. Yeah. Your break, desert or surfer, you know, quirky things into this out of your head, and you're also doing this since orien- stuff as well. Right. Which is like a kind of immersive music experience, which is something that actually I'm doing as well. The moment with lex prima, we're doing an encounter with looks prima. Marciano which is also like an immersive sort of experienced crossing over like art technology and, and music. But, like I guess I'm just wondering, like, do you get bored? It's like was that why you. Why you wanna like keep doing these different things because not everybody wants to do something different. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I think maybe it's like a masochistic thing. But like I love being scared I love challenging myself. Maybe I'm addicted to the feeling of being like can I do this? I have no idea. If I can do this. Right. And then, you know approaching something in making something that I'm really proud of I don't know, just like the greatest feeling it is a great feeling at, and I think I'm on the same page with you about that. But also like to get like board. I think I like I definitely like variety, but I also think it's more like I like challenging myself to see if I can do something, and I also am just like passionate about a lot of different things, you know, like the directing thing, I don't, I think, in the back of my I love movies, so much, you know. And like I remember saying this like, numerous times over the years, like, sometimes I'd feel like I'm like, I think I might like watching movies more than listening to music was moments where I feel like that. And so probably in the back of my head, there was some where where I was like want to direct it's like it's so complete. It's complete art in seems like be so fun to do it pretty much everybody that I know wants to direct. I think everybody in this town, maybe. Los angeles. So, like, but not everybody does direct. You know, and I went to film school. And that's what I was doing film school. And I haven't really directed anything since then I'm just like couple of like strip more homie type things. But like you actually just went ahead and started doing it. Like what drives you actually just do that? You know what, vice would you give to someone who talks about the whole time and things about the whole time that doesn't actually ever get around to doing it? It's just like driven by ideas, as started directing was because I had this idea when I wrote the song called jihad love squad, which was like the Ness last ever. Nasa release, I had an idea that as I wrote the chorus I was like the whole video came to me, and I believed in the idea so much that I had to go make it. So then I just went to India and made it right. And yeah. So I guess, like it was more driven by, like inspiration in an ideas and feeling like I needed to make something, you know, in the same way, probably that everybody makes everything right? Not really. Like a lot of people wanna make stuff, but they don't end up making, you know what I'm saying 'cause you're gonna put yourself on the chopping block to certain degree, you know. And sometimes you do that in a big way you put yourself on the chopping block. Sometimes you get chopped into into little pieces and stuff. Yeah, but it seems like you seem pretty resilient from that. And I mean you just keep moving forward and how do you like cope with being chopped up? Sometimes. I definitely am like up and down in a way. I think maybe we're similar in that way. But then, like, when I'm up when I'm working like this. I'm working on the video for perfect now. And it's just like it's the greatest feeling in the world when you're when you're doing something, and you're psyched about it. And you know there's a great idea at the core of it. And you just can't wait to make it. So that's like nothing. Yeah. There's nothing like that. It's just drives me like I can't even sleep. I barely slept the best few nights like I'm so excited about this video, you know, so, yeah, I think it's my happiest state of being when I'm like, in the rapture of like making something that I'm so psyched on. Yeah. Is it like list that's fresh air? I mean, I can't wait for you to direct something. One of these days are your with your looks prima project, like what's the experience, you're doing, and is something that you kinda directed or the two U N and danger mouse, put together or like how to come together. It was a little bit. Like, you know, I've been in a bound for about twenty years now. And like I was never really that into turing that might be an understatement. And then my husband was, like I got, like, why don't you guys do like Nardin station that goes along with the record because it's a record that kind of demand something different anyway. You know, it just takes you places certain degree. And then maybe tore that, you know, instead of go out and, you know, on the road in, in tour like with abandoned stuff. So, I was like, yeah, that's brilliant. Let's, let's do that. And then over the past year raising money for it, and get trying to get togethers. Now, it's like pushing a huge boulder up a mountain. So I, you know, at times, I was like that this is the worst idea that, you know, I've ever been talked into. But actually it's quite awesome. And yeah, I mean, I think like for me, you know, and you probably speak to this too, with your sensorium thing, like I just I've been doing live performance for so long that I do highly valued at I think that the communal aspect of it like bringing people together bring them out like in specially now in twenty nineteen more than ever when everybody's so connected to their devices. More than they are to each other to certain degree detached in a way, you know, like there's less personal connection than there used to be really into this idea of creating an experience, where you bring people together, and they experience something that bonds them to certain degree, and that's kind of extrordinary, and that makes them feel something emotional. And it's just a challenge to do that without like performing and they're being alive performance involved. But that's like I'm up for that challenge. And, and I think like because just going to, you know, installations and, and museums in being deeply moved by, you know. Art, artists arts, the best. And like, I feel like it's to, to move people deeply without having to be there like in performing live, you know. And that's like sort of what I'm exploring with this, and, like, sort of multidimensional way where it's light and sound and there's smell and there's smell. Yep. And like and the feeling of when water and yeah. Basically, like a pretty trippy experience in that sense. Yeah, yeah. With music to questions. One is when is it going to be the mercy on on? I think it's April eighteenth. It's the week of Coachella here. Yeah. It's like. And so cool like the old Mason temple cool session. I'm yeah institution. Yeah. It's like it's like one of the coolest buildings in LA have been into. Yeah. And so what was the process? Like, like, did you think about I mean, I know you work, you're like so much more like in your heart than like in your head though? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Was your process? Like did you both? Did you guys both kind of come up with the concept or did you guys? Okay. And then did you think about what the album was about? And then try and translate it. Yeah. We did. Yeah. We spent bald about, like, what was going to be the anchor experience, which ended up being like a nineteen ten rocky. Is causing his 'cause like, so many problems. The most impactful idea ever. But, like there's like an elemental theme going out through the record and like this sort of return to nature return to the mother, like themes, and there's also like some kind of cosmic vibes, and there, too. So like so we were just kinda spitballing ideas of what that could be in, like this monolith idea came to mind. You know, like everybody loves two thousand one right? So, like we're kind of doing our own little like two thousand one he now we have an amazing creative team. And we put together like Ren classes, working on it sounded signer that spikes work done a lot. He does done everything. He's doing sound design and to bias Rylander. He's a lighting artist and you were on the sexes. Did you hear about excesses installation and the armory? Yeah. Well, he, he, he worked on that, so yes, it's, it's a pretty awesome team in Barnaby crab. Directing his my husband, but anyway, but yeah, but the sensory thing that you're doing, like, what did you want to achieve from that? What was the sort of impetus for that, that was like a few things? I mean one was like definitely tied to what you're saying about how we're connected in so many more ways. No. But none of the ways are as intimate everything's so much more removed even though we're more connected than ever. And so one of the ideas was, you know, just as a way to kind of have people connect and. You know again, I think I felt. So more thing for you. Is that like this thirst for real connection? And so a lot of stuff was in story is about, like throwing you into a situation with somebody, you don't even know. And you're in this intimate like not sexually intimate, but like intimate situation with people, and even having to touch them and interact with them in these ways that you never would interact with a stranger and be able to connect. And it's crazy. How much people actually like love that, joy that they get from, like even like having a touched somebody that they don't know. And, and in theory, they'd be like I'm not into a lot of people be like dude. I was like, really like weirded out. I had such an amazing time. Yeah, that's, that's pretty red. And I think it was that. And then it was also just one in a figure out a way a unique way and a different and original way to like, have people experience music, and like a social live setting. So you know what since Oriole? You know, the idea was like I work with this woman live your Hamilton. Who's like issues, an experienced zainur. She she has like a ongoing experience called play. That's really fun and actually went to that. And I was like immediately. I just felt like kindred spirit with her actually, I met her in a really funny way because I, I went on one date with her friend, and her friend, she's like best friends with this girl, and then she was like, well, if you're dating this guy, I wanna have, like I want to interview him. And then she like, FaceTime to me. And then, like we ended up like talking for like an hour and just got along really. Well, and then. And then anyway, then I ended up going to her, her play experience. And I just loved it. And I was like this is like I've been talking about it like that week. I wanna figure out an experience the new frontier. Yeah. And I was like this is exactly the kind of thinking behind what I wanna be making. So then, you know I told her about my since Aurium project and, and that was just starting to think about at the time, and then we started working together and, and, and you know what we do is, we do them, every three months. So they'll be three new songs that are out, and we kind of we think about what the songs are about at first, we were doing it every month, and we just do it one person now, we're doing every three months, and we do three songs kind of figure out, what's the what, what are these songs about what's the commonality and or theme between the songs? And what's the story that the songs in kind of tell and then will will create an experience. Sometimes it's guided, sometimes it's not sometimes you just left to do your own thing, or explorer space. And then we. I you know, I'll create like a special versions pretty like kind of ambient versions of the songs that, that fit, like kind of score the night, right? And then an people are kinda lead through this experience. How long does it it's between like forty five minutes to hour and a half? Yeah. Yeah. And then usually like I'll do like a DJ set with a couple friends afterwards. It'll be a dance party afterwards. Calm, but yeah, it's, it's really fun, people seem to really enjoy it. I mean it's still kind of in, like the incubation stage. We've only had like one of the experiences. The last one was the first one we actually had like open to the public all the previous ones were like very small like thirty person, fifty percents friends, and so, yeah, it's really fun. I don't know. It's, it's new, and it's weird and every time I do it. I'm like terrified that like p because it's so weird. Yeah. Every time I do it. I'm like terrified that it's not gonna work. We're gonna feel uncomfortable in like to happen. And I'll just sitting there and like, you know, playing the music and looking out and like freaking out. And then, like, usually like a part of the way through on like hope people love it, and it's like it's huge release. And and I mean so far, that's how it's been. Continues. And for for mine as well. I'm going to go. Yeah, I'm gonna return to the collaboration thing, real quick. Because another collaboration that's worth talking about is between you and your brother. His bike Jones, you guys work together a lot like a lot, a lot, and, and I and I'd say some of his best work in the commercial realm is with your music. You know, like, for instance, I think one of the best things I think he's ever done, which is that Kenzo perfume commercial, which, you know, you guys wrecked up some, some awards for. Yeah, I guess my question would be, what is it like to work with relatives? And it is it as bad as they say. You know, I think it can be complicated. You know, just because there's a lot more like emotional stuff between you and a relative over the years. It's been like different kind of learning periods, there have been, like tougher periods, and then really just one actually. But mostly it's been like just kinda learning how to work together and learning like it's interesting, like I had this big Piff Unie with him recently because he's changes in artists, a lot since I've been working with them to, you know, and I realized, like I mean, first of all, like he's amazing artist. And so, like, I I always trust his instinct again, you know, like like same thing with you. You know, like I'm like, okay, this guy, you know, he's onto something when he doesn't know then I chime in and help with ideas, and directions and stuff. But when he knows it's like follow that. And that's only I've always known with him. You know, but I think recently, I realized, like great collaborators they see the big picture, especially like in film and stuff and may be being like maybe it's having started directing myself and seeing that. But anyway, I started feeling an realizing that it's really helpful for me to help see the big picture. Chime in with any thoughts I have about anything. Right. And of course, still always follow that really strong vision, right that he has because it's always on, you know, but also as much as I can try and help him with the big picture stuff to, you know as well as obviously helping with the music style. Like, yeah. I'm like, I imagine like you know, huge plus with working with your brother would be just like the comfort. Is there ain't now like you, you have like a Nate trust in any other, which is a big deal in your both very good? At what you do. But I guess that's also a pitfall to that it's like easier to be like, unlike your worst behavior with the people that. You love the most too, right? Certain degree. So that could be like a bit like crazy. But the same time, you know that you can't walk away you just like you, you're like in it to win it. I even feel it in my band with, with nickel Brian and stuff. Like, we've basically feel like brothers and sisters. And I guess I go to walkaway because we're not blood relatives but like this point it kind of feels like we're almost like blood relatives, you know. And so, even when things got like the hardest, which you were. Therefore, which is our second record, which Sam was one of the producers on show, your bones, which is like one of the hardest recording experiences and writing experiences with my life. Yeah. And I wanted to kind of walk away, because that miserable at a certain point. But like it was weird because it almost felt like I dunno like I've never really given up on anything necessarily. But like it felt like we're like ours behavior with each other. But no one was going anywhere. You know, was like 'cause we're like, basically, like, like family at that point. And we were like all right. We're gonna just stick this through. And hopefully you know we'll be able to like each other in the eye like at the end of it or even have a great time, which in the end we did like touring behind that record was like some of the best shows ever played in my life, those just so cathartic because, like so tough making it that, like, when we finally got to just get on the road and do it. We do like onstage like quick thing. It was just like times one hundred cathartic you know. And it was really like yeah. As you say, like quite blissful. So it kind of it like smooth over some of the hardship of it. But, but yeah. You guys are intense. I remember coming backstage, immediately after you guys played Coachella. You guys. Really, we need a minute. That after show. But, like, but, but yeah, I mean so it isn't it's interesting because I kind of answered my question, even though not blood related to Nick and Brian, but like but yeah, like I just feel like collaborating with people that you're that close to is interesting. You know. Yeah. I agree. And it's interesting like the first time you collaborate with someone there's this like looseness like right in the beginning. There's this like it's like almost like, maybe like like the honeymoon period. But then, when you have somebody that you've been working with forever. They're developing this like trust. And, and, and like ease. That's nice. And I feel like if the communication is good. That's like, you know, at least for me like I'm like such a communicator and stuff. And this is again, like, really personal for me because I like to communicate as long as stuff is being talked about it. And if those complications, come up there kind of talked about and hashed out and, you know, like with his like a great person, so, you know, like I know he's a great person. And I know I'm great person. So as soon as we talk about something, it's like much easier to kind of to surpass any complications, and then then the overall ease in knowing each other is just like it's great when you have that kind of, like second nature knowing like being able to know what somebody's going want before they know it, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Yeah. I assure I was just thinking about like before I met my husband for instance when there is like relationships like before that, like, like I laughed about, like generally year to year and a half and on any given like love relationship previous to that. And so, so when I met my husband, you know, and something went awry, you know, I'd be like, that's it, you know, it's like it's over like the one and a half years has gone like we've past that point. And you know about, you know. Anyway, second he's weakened we can figure this out. I'm going to be like, really okay. Okay. Let's figure it out. And then something else that I be like, you know, like that's. That's like I think I've, I've, I screwed up to bed and, you know, I'm mouth, you know, it'd be like, no, I forgive you, you're finding and it's funny it takes a certain. It's not just like the experience of like sort of that trust that you build. But, like like a maturity almost, you know, and you kind of grow up with these people have with your brother, obviously, like I grew up with, you know, like the band. And yeah, you have to gain this sort of maturity to know that, like just because you fuck up or they fuck up doesn't mean that it's game over that, like I said, you're kind of like in the long haul in that, like, you know, you'll make it through. So like for us like when people are like, when are you going to put out that next year? He has record. Is it ever going to come six years, is it over she's doing other things? I think I think she's done with the van like notes, not that I'm in it for the long haul. But it just you know, it's gotta be right? And it's got a feel right? So that it's just the best side of us in the best that we have to offer, you know. School. Yeah. Let's get to leave on totally awesome. All right. Karen. Haute. Sav spiegel. Thank you so much for chopping it up here on the talk. House podcast. Yeah. What a great conversation. Thank you to those guys. I'm very excited to hear SAM's record me at laid from the summer and I'm going to be hopefully for much of the summer sitting outdoors listening to Cairns record and just enjoying being in nature. This could be the perfect combo. I have to say, I have my fingers crossed for being in there, a the experiences soon tunic. I'm hoping those come to New York. Yeah. That's amazing. Definitely listeners. If you joy today's episode make sure to check out Karen O's. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Bandmate Brian chase on a past episode where he speaks with kit. Malone of TV on the radio and Lizzy Goodman, who wrote the book, meet me in the bathroom business odors, recorded by Ali Nico at SAM's house in LA. Our co producer is Mark Yoshizumi and the talk house podcast theme was composed, and performed by the range checkout at talk house across all socials for some very cool behind the scenes pictures. From this recording session. Give those guys look pretty nasty in their Batman Spiderman. Till next week. I'm Elliot horn. I'm Nick Dawson.

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EP199: How to Troubleshoot Lack of Interest in Your Free Offer

The Wellness Business Podcast

16:57 min | 2 months ago

EP199: How to Troubleshoot Lack of Interest in Your Free Offer

"Welcome to the wellness business. Podcast simple strategies to the online noise to fast. Track the growth of your wellness business with karen paddock and kathleen chris. Welcome welcome to another episode of the wellness business. Podcast my name is karen paddock. And i'm here with my co hosts. Kathleen legris kathleen. Kp hello kathy remember. I told you i was going to kick it off is singing to you. They'd kill me. That was that was sweet. Thank you karen. Small and offer here almost stay caught myself all thank goodness. You're a job my friend. Thank you so we actually have a really good topic today. That's all about how to trouble shoot. Lack of interest in your free offered and this came about really. Because can i get this question really often and or we see it in our face groups so you pie know by now how important it is to grow your email last asked because that that isn't asset that you own versus your social media following which you do not own when you grow your email asked you can stay in touch with your subscribers on a regular basis and this is where they get to know you and really build connection with you and see you as a trusted resource. Maybe you've created free offer to grow your mls but aren't signing up for it like he thought they would. We know how this goes. It's happened to us to in the past so we know it can feel disappointing. So hang in there. We have some great tips free today. So by free offers were referring to any type of content or resource. You're using to grow your email. Ust including things like a pdf guide. It could be a video series of free challenge. It can even be a webinar. This is the question we see quite a bit so we thought it. It'd be a really good time to cover this on the podcast. You can troubleshoot this on your own and turn your freebie into something. People are excited to receive that. They can't wait to get their hands on. This is a great topic. Because how many times do we start working with a client inside the wellness business accelerator program and we start talking to them about you know what your lead magnet. What's your freebie and how's it. How's it doing. How many downloads is it. Getting in it and they're and they tell us like oh well. Yeah it's on my website. But it's not really you know nothing's really happening with it. But i have one right. And so this is why trouble-shooting is such a big deal so creating a free offer that is going to be a home. Run with your audience takes some testing and then if yours is not converting well and by well we mean least thirty percent right so at least thirty percent of the people that are coming to your registration page are actually giving you. The address and forty to fifty percent is like. Oh gosh. that's a home run for sure. Then there are three questions that you want to ask yourself to try to crack the code to figure out why it's not converting at at least thirty percents. I'll tell you what the three questions are. And then we'll dive into each one so question number one is it for a specific niche question number. Two what problem does it solve and then question number three how people finding out about it all right. So let's dive into question. Number one is your freebie specific to your niche. So if you're resource is too general or vague. Even though it's free people are not going to give you their email address. People are busy and they can't be bothered to opt for something that isn't going to provide them value or help them in some way and and another way of thinking about this is even if they did opt in for it they're likely not your ideal client so converting them into a paying customer is probably not going to happen so you really want. Niche specific niche specific niche specific so a free guide with ten healthy living. Tips would be an example of something very general because it could be for anyone but no one in particular it could be for a twenty year old woman or it could be for a fifty year old man and anyone in between but on the other hand a free guide about twenty quick and easy kito friendly snacks to take on. The go is so much more specific. This could be a good freebie if you're nasa's kito and your know your audience struggles to figure out what snacks they can take on the road or bring to work or have on hand when they travel even if your if your niche is something just people trying to reduce the number of carbs that they're taking in right low sugar you can. You can position it just like that so it makes it so much more specific so the key here is to know your niche which we talk about all the time here on the podcast so doing some research will make a big difference and that leads us to question number two to ask yourself the question number two. What problem or issue does your free resource solve for your ideal client so you wanna ask yourself is it centered around a topic that you know your clients struggle with or that. They have questions about when you think about your ideal client like. What is it that they want as an outcome or result in then also what are they finding confusing or frustrating. Does your free me cover a certain aspect of that. You're paid pergama is gonna solve help them solve the whole problem. You're free offer is meant to give them a solution to this one small little piece so if you were to brainstorm five to ten ideas for top issues in struggles your ideal clients face. What would they be. So this is gonna take a little bit of time. Pick one of them and create a free resource about it. That solves one small part of that problem. So here's one example. If your knee is menopausal women who want to balance their hormones and lose weight what questions they ask about that. Where are they feeling frustrated. Sometimes the questions you see on social media and the ones you hear from your clients and potential clients even on your discovery calls can be turned into a great freebie. Karen and i do this all the time. You can take one of those common questions you get and use that four the perfect topic for your guide or whatever your free versus going to be about then when you see those same questions coming in again again on social media you can direct people to your free guide that helps them with that one thing and maybe your new worse may be. If you aren't sure how to find this out. There are some easy ways to do it. You can do. Surveys can beater through email. You can do them on social media you can get on a few calls with your ideal clients. You can ask questions in your facebook and just be observant about questions that are being asked in your group conversation that are going on when you're on social media. Some of my best freebies have come as a result of questions that were asked in my facebook group. And if you don't have your own group that's okay. You can look at other groups and other facebook pages. That are related to your niche. The information is out there but yeah it is being more specific is gonna make a huge difference Same experience by watching and listening to the questions on my facebook group. I've been able to create amazing freebies. Here's the thing. It go ahead. Kathleen while i was gonna say so here. Here's a perfect example. This just happened this morning in cairns facebook group. Somebody was asking a question. And we're gonna do a podcast episode about this about their energy being drained with working with one on one clients because they're an impasse so while we might not create a freebie about it. That's i think going to be a really hot topic. Here on the podcast. I sure right and we get a lot of our podcast topics. Yeah by paying attention as well and listen. If if you don't know who your nature your ideal client is yet. We did a three part series here on the podcast. That has had rave reviews. Please go back and listen to episodes. 163 one sixty four and one sixty five. There's a downloadable workbook that goes along with those three episodes and it really will help you like take you out of this. Oh my gosh. I have to find a niche. Take you a step back so that you understand like all the mechanisms that are happening as you. Choose that niche. And then what that forecasts for your business going forward. And then we actually take you into the niche Selection process so those are episodes 163 one sixty four sixty five. That will be a huge benefit. If you haven't listened to those episodes already absolutely okay. So number three. How are people finding out about your freebie. Where are you promoting it. And how often so. Here's a question. Are you talking about it on your livestreams in your social media posts in your facebook group and elsewhere really anywhere that you are on social media guest on a podcast. Ask if you can share that information you know. Can i share one of my freebies. I think that is appropriate for this episode. That will help your listeners. get more out of it. A lot of podcast Hosts are open to sharing those things. And you can't just post about your free be one or two times and then expect it to go viral. It takes time and repetition because only a small number of your followers see given post. I promise no one is gonna be annoyed. No one is gonna be like. Why are they posting that again. They're just not going to. Because here's the other thing. If they saw it every single time you posted it it's going to take on average seven to twelve interactions of seeing that before they will take action. So here's an example. Follow a lady on. Instagram is dr fit and fabulous. And she's also mrs nebraska and so she talks a lot about this particular beef company out of nebraska that she buys all of her mate from and so it was intriguing to me but i kept putting it off putting it off putting it off and then it's probably more like twenty or twenty five times. She's talked about this and she has an affiliate link affiliate code so she's definitely getting something out of it. But now mike and i finally ordered some of this beef and it is amazing we are totally hooked on it so it just goes to show her repetition and if she would have thought oh people are probably sick of me putting a piece of steak in my mouth right that she would've lost out on that commission and that's part of her brand it really really is and so it just is that repetition and you can't feel bad about it so mix it up one week doing Instagram story about it or a facebook story and then the next week share post about it and then the following week do a livestream that teaches something related or maybe covers one tip from the freebie and then let them know how to get. Get it so that they can get more information. Download your guide which will help them have more information or get more of a result than what you could cover on that livestream. It really is just a process of bringing people's attention and honestly if you get really good at this you're going to be better at sales because it is somewhat of self promotion and you have to get past that feeling of insecurity about showing up and posting. Let's talk about recap. I guess here really quickly to trouble. Shoot a freebie. That isn't doing as well as you would like. Ask yourself these three questions. And then make adjustments. Accordingly number. one is my freebie niche specific number. Two what problems does it solve. Am i promising. A very specific result like in the examples that we gave you and the number three are people finding out about it. And how often are you promoting it. If you could do a better job you know if you could if you could do a better job than we're challenging you here today to create a plan. A marketing plan four year. Freebie and set a goal for growing your email list. Now that you have these tips and strategies you should be able to create a freebie that is just for your dream clients an- and we would love to hear about it because once you put this in place. I think you're going to be surprised or we both think you're going to be pretty surprised. At how much more quickly your email list is gonna grow. So we're excited for that so we have an action item for you in. Its to ask yourself the three questions. Karen just mentioned and see if you can figure out where the gap is is is a specific niche. What problems does it solve. And how are people finding out about it. And how often are you promoting it if you were to brainstorm five ten ideas for top issues in struggles you know your ideal clients face. What would they be. You wanna create your free offers and your content around that just start with one and tested and then go from there once you know what your ideal clients want and where they need help. It's so much easier to know what topics that they're gonna love and appreciate and also share it with their friends in if you want more information on how to create your free offer you can check out episode twenty eight where we covered five simple steps to create your perfect free offering. Wanna get your hands on that. Listen to that. So god it is so good. And we're linking all of this up all of the choose your nation episodes that we talked about as well as episode twenty eight. You can get that on our show notes page at b. podcast dot com forward slash one ninety nine kathleen. You know what that means. We are one episode away from our two hundredth episode. Stay tuned because you know what that means. Prizes were given away prizes people. i love it. We started this podcast episode with kathleen and we're ending this episode with her singing. Nothing and we'll never do again all right my friend. I think it's a wrap. Hey everyone has an amazing week and we'll see assume care. Thank you for listening to the wellness. Business podcast for show notes and three resources visit. Wbz podcasts dot com.

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Comedy can do more than make us laugh

Global GoalsCast

37:24 min | 2 years ago

Comedy can do more than make us laugh

"The. The crowd of three hundred billion. So I walk in on stage. I look at him. Have you be relax? I'm only for seven minutes of years. Political situation. Here is very devastating its stock. It's very hard to talk about peace through comedy, and performance, you can reach more audiences and diverse audiences and audiences that maybe I would have never met. I like to play with stereotypes. I like to unpack them up on them. I like to use them often. The stereotype you're breaking is from the gaze of the person who thinks you're breaking. Comedy can do more than make us laugh. It can make us think and it can reveal what we're thinking and not saying can make us examine our selves and the world will leave in it can disrupt power and be an agent of change. Because when we're allowed to laugh at something it can create a safe space to think about it talk about it, and hopefully helpless understand comedy can do all of these things because the best comedy often comes from very disconcerting places uncomfortable places from the experience of being shunned or other or oppressed or repressed some of the most brilliant and insightful comedy has been birth in those very dark places and this episode of the global goals cast, we're going to visit some of those places while still managing to do some laughing along the way, and that's with three. Bad ass biased busting Fitch and women who've turned their experiences as outsiders into comedy that does more than make us lot. Think it gives me a natural skill in viewing both my own life and the interaction of my life with the wider world as an outsider, which is really where jokes live jokes live in that space between seeing something familiar and knowing that there's parts of it that are. Being able to capture what universal in a very unique way that people haven't thought about before. And that's really outsiders gays. Welcome to the global goals. Gas the podcast that explores. How can we change the world? I'm Claudia Romo adamant and I'm eating lunch. Cloudy at this episode. We're going to look at how comedy helps us bridge. The gaps between us in other words, we're going to take on a serious issue intolerance from what I guess you would call a funny angle. But i'm. Stick to both gusting eighty okay, we're gonna have some real comics for you right after this. No more jokes from me. Maybe. Season. Two of the global goals goes sponsored by MasterCard. Stay tuned later for an interview with MasterCards vice chair and Cairns as she tells us about how she broke stereotypes herself as the first female India near own an oil rig in the Northey. Also, our thanks to CBS news digital and to Harmon official sound of global goals cast. One of the places that committee has brought me is to be the first Jewish performance in Palestinian comedy festival. And there were like two guys who are sitting in the front row under the military. What is deals, you know? So we'll con- stage. And I'm thinking, how am I going to break the ice? Likewise, crowd of three hundred billion. So I walk in on stage. And I look at him. And I have you be relax. I'm only for seven minutes, not seventy years. That was no Schuster one of the three comics whose work and ideas, we're going to share with you today on the global goals cast gnome Israeli, I'm Jewish a mix. Actually, my father is Romanian Jew. When I went into for my roots. I found out will that. Yeah. And my mother actually, she was born in Iran. She Iranian just has eight brothers and sisters. We call them the Muslim Brotherhood. Household is really the two cultures together and on top of that. My parents are these open minded liberals, which is really hard these days in his red. I care about the political causes them thirty one and I'm single so go to the moon stations. Mainly look for. When I do. Go to the only people today. Look like, they've taken showers a police officer. That was no winning Jewish comedian of the year in London earlier this year, and despite the jokes gnome is a very serious activist of the three comics that we met she walks most squarely into an ongoing political struggle. She does not shy away from it. In fact, she became a comic after failing to breach the Israeli Palestinian divide in a more traditional diplomatic way us co-director at inter piece on they're going to say shin. Founded by the UN that work with populations that were excluded from traditional discussions of peace. Am not the first one probably to tell you the political situation. Here is very devastating its stock. It's very hard to talk about peace. It's very hard to peace activists. It's hard to even say the word peace here. I took a role upon myself here to work with the hardliners in society, you know, right wing people who are not the usual kind of peacemakers after years. You know, I felt like I'm not influencing anyone and I felt like I'm not able to see tangible achievements. And. Progress? And basically, I was fired. Also, so I think the turn to comedy was an action for me to a stop censoring myself the bringing back my creative muscle to the game. Also mean knowing that through comedy and performance, you can reach more audiences and diverse audiences in audiences that maybe I would have never met Israel and Palestine, it's a small territory, and we move between contradicting narratives and communities and places all the time, and because I speak Arabic because I have so many contradicting identities within me that I bring into the comedy some able to navigate and to walk in between all of these audiences in these identities in hope that what I was not able to do an organization said or political set will be able to do a little bit through the laughter. And the performance in front of people. It is always this amazing to see how people can really laugh when you're so exposed than you talk about the most painful parts of yourself, but people also laugh about funny stuff and ridiculous stuff and empowering stuff in nasty stuff. And that gets into why we're doing an episode on comedy cloudy up by talking about the more painful parts of ourselves by laughing at the pain. We can better understand each other. Because if we don't understand each other we won't ever achieve the global goals. Let alone by twenty thirty. Whether it's gender equity goal five or climate action goal, thirteen or peace and Justice sixteen if we're going to complete the global goals, we need to do it together. And sometimes for no, I'm just being who she ease doing what she does can help people come together and begin to understand each other sharing a laugh, I have a comedy show with another female comedian who comes from a more religious right-wing background. And when we have shows, they're always sold out, and we basically bring into one or Dettori umn our audience, which comes from such different sectors of society, right-wing and left-wing people, and then we're bringing together religious and secular and herbs and Jews and they both sit down and the here to women and just having to women in comedy show year is already revolutionary enough. Because there are so many male comedians year every. Midnight that I go on performed is always like eight or nine men, and maybe there's another woman besides me. No misdoing doing some special things with her work on stage. And her new career is just getting started. I asked her what she's learned so far as a comedian that she wished she had known as peace activist not to take things. So seriously to be freer to say, what the hell is on my mind. Not to censor myself. It's not an easy place to be in to be a woman here with this mixed background. And to talk about this issues. It's not perfect all the time. And I'm not funny all the time. And I'm just learning the first steps in this crazy world, but I just feel like right now, this is the most effective tool. There is a valuable to me in order to be heard. Thanks to our partner one young world for introducing us to Nome. She Stor one young world just keep introducing us to the most people ever. It's just amazing right stories. Katherine Bo heart is pulling from some slightly different life experience, the Noam Catherine is from Ireland, and she is Catholic. In fact, her father said deacon on St. Catherine brings the audience inside of her obsessive compulsive disorder talks about what he's like growing up in religious family. And also she shares her experience as vice sexual women living in a world that can be well lesson on their standing. Sometimes I ever my mother, and I was nervous. But now, I don't mind because I'm used to query you have to come out along, right? Like, it's coming repeatedly fairly common responses to responses on the rag. Also, I'm dating dating a woman and people will say, no. Sam date. No women. That's my girlfriend. They'll say, Nope. No, no, no. Oh, hey was too long. So. Can target with clients can say. No, I was the best ones ever had to my mom because my mom has unique way of being supportive, but also making things where so my mom just waited for my room. And then she said me too. I recite clarify right to walk out terminal gay rights. I'm not gay. I'm not gay 'cause strike people like say in threes protective spelled on. It's not gay rice. And it's not that I leave your phone for a woman, I wouldn't. And that's not even that. I want something bad top until. No, I don't rice. It's just that were he to die. Then I would with a woman. Her first at comfort because I guess narrow. I think my mom saying one of two things there, isn't she? She's either saying, oh, I have to be depressed to be lesbian. Worship saying for one of my children to come to say, I regret all of my life choice. Though us gathering hard on this fanned up sketch show, which you can watch on cat up on I T V hub, either spoke to her after stocking here on an open mic show. You can picture me. Right. Like, I was standing there waiting for her to come out and literally rugby tackled her like high high really want to interview our podcast with this stain of. But I'm gonna go. It's not about really anything that you normally told you are perfect. What I loved about your show was that you were sort of smashing up against all kinds of stereotypes about sexuality about women about mental health. So I wonder if breaking down stereotypes is part of your Genda, or if in fact, you were just looking for more flexible job, I guess there's like two distinct aspects of that the first in terms of in doing doing comedy. No, let's be like totally honest. I did it because I wasn't a very good actor, and I thought I might like it, and then I absolutely loved this in terms of my material though. And I didn't there's something that like just being a woman who's clear and talking about us where even if you don't like unpick stereotypes, you have the advantage of already challenging stereotypes because you don't often being told when I get to clubs look like a comedian. And that in of itself is challenge. Jing people which is good. I do think that like the portrayal of lesbianism is often so singular oil, maybe even true. Maybe it's 'cause queer people have a largely varied ad put. I think it's people interpret lesbianism is like short hair shirt wearing masculine presenting women and actually one that's grace to straight women can present those ways three not all of the same. No more than with straight people by people gay people. We all you know. It's like almost like your sexuality isn't acetic or it can be if you wanted to be, but it doesn't have to be and. I just think people have a very binary sense of what clearness looks like. I like to play with stereotypes I like to unpick them. I like to upend them. I like to use them. I like knowing what people think what they see when I come on stage because that's the only way comply with that. If I'm like fully acknowledging that people see a young fem girly girl. So I I do play with stereotype, but it is intentional. But that's also because that's what I'm interested in. And it's almost harder not to as a female stand up right now. Because that's the world is challenging at the moment. It's hard not to be interested in engaged by this. What topics do you think audiences respond to or depend on the venue and the night? It definitely depends on the venue and the nice like if I go to Brighton, Hello gender and clear theory. If I go to Belfast the stuff about religion resonated much more out, but I to be on his I try not to second guess audiences because I've been wrong so often like I've rocked up a place of so many times and being like they're gonna eat me. And then being like, oh, I prejudge them not the other way rent, but I was the one that university. People find hardest to laugh at is probably the mental health stuff. But that's just because. I come at it from quite a Syria. Like, I say, I have this illness. I was in hospital. So the real kind and people go, whoa, that's heavy juicy. And then you have to give them permission to laugh, but that's fun too. I feel like the attitudes towards mental health have changed in the last couple of years, but it's almost kind of daily battle and isn't something that people are still I think very happy with talking about on a personal level. Yep. And I get that. Because. It's so interwoven with guilt and failure. And vulnerability. And but I do think that's changing. And I think people are more understanding of it. I guess that's why like joke about this. Because I think it's a good way of explaining the one thing I think we're still raised with is asking questions like we make a lot of generalizations of the thing. But mental health is it so personal. And so specific so. Without being like, encouraging extreme rude or nosing. I think allowing another person to explain to you what they mean about their mental illness or their mental health specifically to them is really important. I had a great time watching Catherine on stage and getting to know her a little bit during the interview, it is really fun listening to her talk and gnome to and they're both busting stereotypes about their looks. Apparently, they don't look like a comic or Jew or gay. I phase these in my own life. I am Mexican. I'm sixty tall joys. I live in America. Or you know, I have Carly her. And then people treat me with less respect as like when I am straight hair. People take me more seriously. When we come back. Another bias BUSTER, a comedian from India who shows us how intolerance and bigotry can find their roots in the same places as great jokes. And how you choose to use your experience and your words can make a world of difference. But I would like you to meet remarkable executive from our sponsor MasterCard. Talk about breaking stereotype city. She ease an engineer and the first ever woman to work a North Sea oil rig. My name's on cones. And I'm the executive vice chairman of monster called tell me a little bit about your path to getting here because it wasn't entirely straightforward. Was it? No, indeed. I grew up in a small mining village in the north of England. I was about eleven years old on the first bond landed on the moon, and I thought wouldn't it be great to be an Australian I think that was my first thought about that. I wanted to be in the science field and subsequently I studied pure maths at university and became a research engineer and tell me about that was that difficult was it ought where you one of many women or just a few women at the time. Well, actually, I was the first woman ever recruited into the research station in Newcastle. And I actually thought once I was there that I would love to work off show. And I became the first woman to work off shore in Britain as well. L? Did anyone ever tell you? You can't do this. Or does you have an internal drive that made. You think it doesn't matter? What other people think? I always felt that if I wanted to do something I could reach out and ask for it. My dad was always very supportive of anything that I wanted to do. And when I wanted to move off shore, I actually just wrong the head of engineering at British Gossen told him, that's what I wanted to do. And he said you do realize in two offshore survival course, where basically you escape from helicopters that are some pools. They throw you into the North Sea. You put out kerosene fires. And I said, well, that's just the fun part. So actually, I did that off the coast of Yarmouth in April which was raising and at the time, they gave me a mom suit because they another woman offshore. And when they threw me into the sea on alley died of Expos. Yeah. Because all the water poured into the back of the suit because I had a kind of elephants size face at the time in my twenties, and it just didn't fit properly. So I had to have one made subsequently all these things that you actually never think about, but when I was working on the on the rigs in the North Sea and the Irish Sea, I made some good friends because many of the guys out there who are out there for two weeks at a time with doing things like open university degrees or practising for the London marathon by running around the Heli pot and so on so there's quite a lot of sort of social engagement and actively and good chats that we had when we were working. What's up with those women at MasterCard? I mean, my sing now on Curran's like do you have to be fabulous super cool to work at massacred dyke? So cool we're going to hear more about her work at MasterCard. And how MasterCard is furthering financial inclusion, but they are super cool, and I would like to have dinner with. Let's let's be friends that's sided. And you don't know us, but we're gonna we love you. We want to have new besties. More for MasterCard later. But now for another stand up comedian Cindy v. I'm a comic in London. And I was born and raised in India. But I've lived in London for twenty two years. And this is where I came up in comedy very, much, my comedy home. But your name first of all isn't Sindhu v. Right. No. No, no. My first name is. Yeah. But my surname is Vancouver island, which is just absurd. You can go to open mic night. And be like, hey, that's my name. First of all, no one will give you a spot. And if they do by the time, they've said your name diamonds. Upper three minutes are up this episode is about breaking stereotypes. Yes. And I wonder if you feel like you do do you break stereotypes. You know, I'm told all the time that I do. Okay. So yes, yes. I am told that it comes up, you know, like some coming to a set of the girls school. What do you think those stereotypes are? I think one of the big ones is that I'm a Brown woman raised in India. And sometimes it's that I've married outside my culture, which really in this day and age Indians is not that biggest hero type. But okay, find some people think, oh, you are woman in banking. That's a stereotype for some people. It's a Brown woman in banking, and I feel like dude how good we are at math that a lot of women from Asia who are in banking precisely because our skill set. Not mine I was rubbish at math. But you know, often the stereotype you're breaking is from the gaze of the person who thinks you're breaking it. And I appreciate that. I can understand it. I think the biggest area type is a mother in comedy. Small kids there's easy to manage because you just lie to them. Like, they don't know anything. You just don't have to deal with them. You know, life my youngest kitschy five or six anyway. She said to me on the way to school, and we're gonna get out the door. And she said to me mom when I grow up. I want to be a mermaid, and I was like that's great will done not because I want having the fucking conversation at seven thirty in the morning. Great job you'll do. So. Well. And then should I go where where how and I said you go to university? What does she know? And just simple where is that? And I was like on Australia because I don't know like fishy should always happening in stream. People getting eaten by sharks or whatever street you. And then of course, I did what a lot of parents that you can ask your teacher about it. I'm not getting paid to do that. Anyway. I had a very unconventional along so many different dimensions life growing up always on the outside of whatever experience was going on. And that's very hard to feel that it's from India never seen it before you're different. You're not like anyone else. So do you think that makes you better on stage because you feel like you've been an outsider before I don't have it makes him better. But I think it gives me a natural skill in viewing the interaction of my life with the wider world as an outsider, which is really where jokes live jokes live in that space between seeing something familiar and knowing that there's parts of it that are. Being able to capture what universal in a very unique way that people haven't thought about before. And that's really an outsiders gays. I think I do have that skill. Thanks to my bringing, and I've learned to hone it because often I'll have intuition, and I'll not put it out because I'll think about it. No, no. No, no. And I think that's what that thing. I'm doing inside outside. You know, it's also makes me very non judgmental. Because when you've been an outsider, you're usually being judged, and the great thing about standup is the joke is a good joke is really always anew. You always the butt of the joke. Eighty for me. This is the ultimate we are all human episode. Comedy puts everyone on the same level. It doesn't matter if your reach or poor if you're toll or small if you're Republican or democrat jokes on comedians make you laugh in a way that puts everybody in the same playing field. And I love that. And I love that we took on unexplored the angle of comedians, who by the way, imagine all of a sudden they are in a position seem being surprising activists were they have the power to break stereotypes in a phobia without planning it or without actually being conscious that they are doing it just because they are funny, and sometimes they create or they break stereotypes. I did some homework. Cloudy, and I want to say that I found at least three goals that talked directly about knocking down bias increasing understanding seeing intolerance number five gender equality. And of course, we're putting this out during March, which is the month at which were focusing on. Gender equality number ten reduced inequality International Women's Day. Exactly. A number sixteen peace and Justice. And I think that those are great number five number ten number sixteen. But at the end of the day, if you have a world that is accepting tolerant and open to everyone without a lot of racism and discrimination. You will be affecting all of the goals laughter is one of the five universal connectors, regardless of where you are from a you care about that universally. So not to put you on the spot. But what are the other universal connectors? Well, we did a project when I was working for refugees. We did a project with Ted that talk using the five universal connectors which are laughter because again, regardless of where you are. That's something that is common and everybody enjoys connects us number two is music and dance. Number three is hope for your children number. Four is you care about the health of your parents on the number five the number five. Wait a second. Number five. I I don't remember number five. I only remember that when I was discussing these many many years ago with my younger brother, he said that. Now, you're missing one universal connector with cheese. Everybody actually looks at the toilet after going to poop. She said that I really regardless of whether you're the enough England everybody actually turns back and sees before flushing. Okay. Well that is seriously bringing the tone to a different place. I was going to cause I was gonna talk about my favorite new television show. Which is marvelous MRs Mazel you've been talking about it. Tell me. Okay. So it's an incredible show back in nineteen Fifty-nine a woman breaking into the men's club of stand up comedy. And what I loved about interviewing these comedians that I kept on thinking here, we are sixty years later. There's no shortage of female comedians around. But there are still plenty of barriers for them to break. So I feel like now a good time for our facts and actions. What do you think? Awesome. So we're delighted to have one final comedian here to share her facts and actions with you. Idiot powder. It's wonderful behave. My name's Judea streets. And I'm an entrepreneur in the world of financial services. I'm a stand up comedian. And I'm very proud to have a podcast cool diversity podcast all about diversity and inclusion in financial services three five. My first fact, which were you surprised as me particularly gay woman in the city who spent twenty years of my career. Thank you. Please ask me what I did at the weekend is I was really surprised by stonewalls data recently that says that sixty two percent of all millennial graduates who are LGBT plus go back into the closet as they enter the workforce. Why second fact is regarding at minorities, there's a report that came out last year called the minority report that said that of two point five million sample size forty six percent, which is nearly half of all respondents had been encouraged into a career that did not reflect. Their own personal career aspirations. I'm particularly thinking about mental health, and I'm not sure whether you're web, but one in eight days of sick leave can be directly attributed to mental health. On the podcast. We've now interviews it must be eighty or ninety leading lights from business leaders and diversity and inclusion specialists, and these are my three actions one embeds the conversation about diversity inclusion into a commercial imperative we need the skills. We need the talent. And this is going to drive better outcomes on better performance, the second is to support and support needs to go to the middle management layers. And if you've been hired in a certain way trained in assessing way, motivators and paid in a certain way. Of course, you're going to always do the same thing. So that my whole points to diversity inclusion specialists and organisations is support them to take the step take courage to employ people who are very different from them. So my third is about calling out and every organization if they want to truly embrace diversity and inclusion, but. Also to dry performance have highly motivated teams that are older levering better outcomes is about creating true cone out coaches. So that certain behaviors would no longer persist. That was Julius streets. The she cost of Robert roads. This is a comedy episode. That was my joke. So what's yours because we're moving into stand up comedy in order to sponsor, the global goals semi-joke, especially made for you. 'cause I know that you used to live in Switzerland. Right. So what's the best thing about Switzerland? Do you know the milk? 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But I don't think any of us would wanna be Elizabeth Bennet today. And tell me how you see MasterCard making a real change making a difference in this aspect. Well, I know that we've been working around the world to bring in about three hundred seventy million people into the financial system since we stopped it and in order to do that we have to build whole ecosystems we have to work with governments. We have to work with other global companies we have to work with local companies on the ground, and we actually have to work with people explaining to them how to use our products and services how to run their businesses and digital way. And so there's a lot of education involved on the ground. Tell me about how the pace of change makes that challenging or an opportunity. I think this big opportunity in developing countries because they don't have the infrastructure that we have here in the western world with all the machines and the computers, and so on so everything goes mobile very quickly and you start to solve things in a very simple way. Because you're trying to help people who are living on one or two dollars a day. And so you're trying to come up with a solution. That's very inexpensive and can reach a mass amount of people and sometimes in very remote areas could be an example of where you've seen real change happen like that. So some great examples of where I've seen inclusion where king first of all Egypt alimony payments, the government actually intervene in this. They collect the money from the man, and they have the women queuing to actually receive the cash, and we've automated that process now so that women can receive that money digitally. I think that's quite a change. And I'm looking for other examples around the world where we could help women in this way. So that's the first one second is I've been involved in a project that actually we'd been doing and Kenya and Tanzania where we've been building a solution in our labs in Kenya. That we set with the Gates Foundation and. We built a product that allows farmers to sell that sunflower oil online while it could be any farming product. But we'd actually found an entrepreneur in Tanzania who would pay female fomer slightly more to encourage them to actually adopt selling that product online. And the thing is they can do it on any type of phone, but they get real time prices. And obviously it gives them a better access to market without involving all of the middlemen. And that product was built by Africans for Africans in our laps in Kenya. Thank you to MasterCard and to an cans for being with us. And thank you to you all of our listeners as well. Thank you for being with us. 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Podcast guest soliciting and podcast host booking tactics

Wait What Really OK with Loren Weisman

29:32 min | 9 months ago

Podcast guest soliciting and podcast host booking tactics

"Really really. What you're. Watching. A. About. Stuff that. Way Why. Hi. This is Loren Wiseman and we made those excuses when we were in school the dog ate my homework today the dog ate my editor I apologize for any off. Off The cuff resonating sounds I don't have the normal editing here but I do have a normal show. This is the brand messaging podcast. Wait what really? Okay. I'm your host Loren Wiseman, and today we're GonNa talk about podcasts about podcast about a podcast. The title is episode is podcast guests soliciting and podcast host booking tactics. A culmination of about five sources both in the US and in Europe stated that as of September twenty twenty, there are one million podcasts out there. Yes it does feel like a lot of people maybe not everyone but a lot of people are podcasting and it's been happening for a while now at the same time bringing the authenticity through in the messaging, the authority through in the messaging there. Are a lot of that have been rising up and are rising even higher from the standpoint of the people hosting and the podcasters themselves as well as the people that are trying to become guests on these podcasts. That's what we're. GonNa hit today both sides of the coin talk a little bit about being a guest talk a little bit about being a host and the waste to stand out. This also includes the ways to bury yourself. I get a fair amount of emails and the the the structure of them, the impersonal template, the I'm sending me to fifty thousand people or for that matter maybe a million, it doesn't really excite me and it doesn't make me want to bring these people that are sending these. Pre Pre. Written letters that have no personalization to them onto the show. I don't have that many guests on wait what really okay. I, do like to have the guests, but it's got to be something where it's authentic. It's got the authority and it has something relating to the show the topic in the audience, and that gets right to the number. One point. Or you creating a show for popularity. Is. This about is this about true authority and authenticity or is it a show about popularity and it's fine if it is about popularity but be truthful to yourself be truthful to others I. See these people with business podcast entrepreneur podcast, and they are just out there attacking for every guest talking about every trend anything to get listening ears so that they can either do their advertising or get their numbers up. To me that into a lot of other people that doesn't feel like a show that has any continuity that has any flow that has any organic messaging, and that's fine. If that's what you're about be that. But for these people that are saying authority what these people that are using the word authenticity and I wish more people would step away from using the word authenticity and just being authentic. If you're having a certain show and you WANNA get on a certain guest or you have an opportunity how does that guest tight into you? How does that tie into the flow, the show and everything that you're doing because if it doesn't maybe that's not the guest for you in the long run. We have so many people out there. So many podcasters that are jumping I, need this I, need this I need this person on this person is hot. I'm GONNA email them, I get these emails and this hitting in the authenticity in the truth the First Section here of what you're saying about your podcast. So I'm sorry I get it you're on Iheart and you have the range of potentially forty million listeners that doesn't mean you have a forty million listener audience and when I see that on the top of solicitation letters to me. I press delete just because somebody can turn on your show and your distributed somewhere and makes up nothing to do with the metrics of your audience. It shows your reach. That's great. If you ever aging maybe you're on IHEART and Amazon music and Pandora and apple in spreaker and Stitcher, and all of those things, but I would rather be on a show or somebody. Sent me something a lot of other professionals feel this way to I'd rather be on a show where someone is being authentic being honest being transparent. Hey, my show is new. This is the fifth episode. I'm about to do I've got it distributed to these places I'm growing an audience and not really there. That's something that I respond to and you might be surprised that. Other people will respond to that a lot quicker than when you sit there and stayed I, have this multimillion reach because I'm here here here here and here. This is an iheartradio podcast. You're on Iheartradio at the same time you're on Pandora and you can sign up and it doesn't cost anything some of these people that put out this stuff like Ooh I'm on this side or I'm on that site I'm on Pandora the thing that I posted once Pandora, pick me up was annot Joe Rogan I don't have Joe Rogan's numbers but if you like Pandora and that's where you like to listen to your podcast I'm available there I chose a route of stating okay. Here I am and I'm on this place but here's how you can find me and not saying all the sudden I'm some massive player on. Pandora 'cause I'm not and I'm not on Iheart either and I'm not I'm not a major player anywhere. I've got a lot of distribution wait wait what really okay is in the better part of fifty major distributors and there's some great listenership but it's not something to Brag about when I share about the podcast. It's yet. It's sharing about probably the top number of places where you can find me where people are finding podcasts but then it goes into the root and the message of what this podcast is about about messaging about optics. That's the focus. It's not the the stuff in the same thing with the author's award winning. Times. Bestseller. Why I I'm also. Blown away that podcasters will put out and put in they're leads and even in their profiles inside of Lincoln how many downloads they've had of their podcast. Fictional. People have downloads people. There are video game players that play a video game in its the major part of the screen in the lower part they're doing commentary. And on twitch and some of these other sites and they had millions of followers and millions it your amount and your popularity number doesn't necessarily showcase your authority. So to the podcast host to the PODCASTERS, consider putting a focus on what your show is about why you talk this way what you look for in a guest because right now, if you're just getting that popular guests, why do they want to be a part of? You why do they want to connect with you and yes on the opposite side, their guests at want to be on every single show possible and that's the second point and flipping over to this is for the guests. But also at the same time for the PODCASTERS, if somebody is out there on every single show and they're not testing the waters to see what the authenticity of that show is, is that helping or hurting Some people say Oh marketing is good marketing, but if your voice seems to be out there, just spamming that you're on this podcast and that podcast and the next podcast and this podcast, and really it's just the same thing. How does that ignite your audience to pay attention? I don't share for every podcast on I don't share for many of the podcasts in on I'll go on to be a guess what I'm asked to be a guest. I'm happy to be a guest. If I see something authentic if I think I can bring something in the conversation. It's not ego but it's stating okay what's going on and then at the end of that show Was this something that would impact my present audience. If not, it might be something I don't share because they've already heard it before. Why should I force them? Why should you force any of your audiences to pretty much hit the same cookie cutter stuff if I go on a particular show and they dive into the ghost drumming and then they dive into the transition of where I went for Music into brand messaging and what I'm doing now, and if it's the same stuff and there's not something new there, it doesn't really entice me to share it with the audience and it shouldn't necessarily be an expectation if I'm being invited on and somebody wants to have a conversation about brand messaging. I'm there with them unless they're it's flat out stating in those are shows I'm not interested in. This is a cross promotion thing and I expect this and you do this Blah Blah Blah. But those aren't really my thing. And when we can sit here and look at our shows and look at the guest that you may want to bring on and figure out what is a way to set a tone and a tempo to allow that guest to say you know what I really do wanNA share this out. This is a different interview or is it the same old one? I'm not for these little PODCAST FLASH CARDS AS LOW HANGING FRUIT product out there a couple of them here questions to ask on your podcast and I see them because I get asked the same questions and say, Hey, here's our little unique time and we're going to ask you about this. I've heard it before. So. What draws interest and then at the same time? Does that exhaust the listener and they just move on? It is the authenticity in your show. It's the theme. It's whether you're going after gas and saying, Hey. I'm thinking about doing this. I'd love to interview you and talk about these things maybe even asking that question. In that email, that solicitation is there anything you want to go over his? There's something we you're tired of talking about. Is there something you feel like you haven't had the chance to talk about what a great approach to go to a guest to wake them up when I receive emails like that? Is there anything not just what you want to market? Is there anything out there you'd love to discuss. That lights me up in a positive way. Wow. This Person Cairns's personal stabbed discussion. This can be again it becomes conversations of engagement over just this forced overly dominant and and then the marketing of some of these podcasts, a the ones that come out on Monday. Just out don't forget to listen Wednesday. Oh, did you in case you forgot we you know. Monday. It was this pushing pushing all week and that constant pressure and pushing until the following week and the next episode, the same thing comes up. Again. Re if you would consider reading in between the lines of the rant and it's not an attack on anybody but think about what traits, what characteristics, what towns while the intention may be true to heart for you to have that authentic show that perception wise. You might be knocking out and it might be turning people off and turning people away. In thinking about that in that humility, it can be a better show. And at the same time. On the other side of it. Becoming that better guest not sending some letter that has just and this is the one that I that that bothers me the most I would be a great guest on your show. Here's all this stuff about me. Why don't you share from the guest standpoint? Why don't you share why you would be a great guest for that show not in the ego of your own authority. But what you bring to a conversation I the sometimes, I'll even email back I'm be a great fit for your show. All Right Why what show did you like? When do you make that decision? So you read the byline, you're at the tag lines one liner you made that decision did you listen to anything? I mean there was a time when I was maybe not as nice as I said Oh. Did you listen to the episode where this thing happened and we talked about this dog? The did that because that that that was really funny Oh yeah. Well I knew your lie because it never happened. So as that guest and not just out there with this spam self pushy promotion thing but being able to take the time and say, you know what scope out those shows see where your reputation stands it's not just getting every single show that you can book getting out to the places that might be best in some of the places that might be best. They might not even have the largest listenership. Numbers are counts, but it becomes a great interview that in turn you may WanNa. Share to your audiences vogue talked about before the idea of an interview that you weren't expecting that allowed you to talk about things. You don't normally get to talk about and it's something there that you're streaming or embedding on your website. To reach out and be able to get a sense of someone who when somebody asked me on your show I want to take a minute and say, all right what's his show about? WHAT'S THE VIBE? What will we talk about? To have just a little bit of time and not just feel like I'm sitting there that they're thinking. Okay. Well, we're GONNA grab his audience or we're just GONNA fill time. I? Don't want to fill someone's time you should want to fill someone's time. If you're going for the authenticity if you're going for the authority to make that podcast social, make it authentic make it authoritative make true. So they conversations can happen and inside of that content, it may connect people to your thinking and not just another infomercial and I know like we said before him. So you'RE GONNA million podcasts out there and on that top level, a lot of them are just infomercials. And see these people coming on and they'll spend more time. Selling what they have to sell their book, their course, their certification they're this they're boom boom boom. It's all about them. Then really sitting there and sharing about their authority and authenticity one of my lines when people contact me or when I've contacted people I'll say I have nothing to sell. have nothing to sell if inside of a conversation, a real true organic authentic conversation someone is not from there their led to find out more than why should I be spending most of that time selling and maybe it's a conversation that I can learn from or get a question I wasn't expecting. When we take this other side, a podcast to authenticity we can grow our messaging we can understand our. Yes. The intention get out there get out there get out there. But maybe it's to get out there to connect with the right people to not necessarily be on the million. Subscription podcast, but maybe the guy that's only got one hundred because it was a great conversation for him or her it was a great conversation for you and maybe you walked away with some content ideas that then you can create for your podcast or video or a different way to communicate that you hadn't communicated to your audience before. This comes into different level. It's not just etiquette. It's honor. It's not okay. WE'RE GONNA turn off all the other things and we're in a closed the the other Windows GonNa make sure this net the there's a lot inside a podcast etiquette. Make sure your answers are under three minutes. Wow I. saw this one article. Make sure your answers are under three minutes. If you're on my podcast and you're talking for three minutes straight, I'm not putting it up. It's conversations. It's it's back and forth. Yes. There are some interview formats and that might be different. But when they put out this one set rule in here's how you're supposed to be does that really fit you does that really fit your story. Inside. Of this to take it to the other level of of almost tactical of almost strategic look at where you might want to go look at where something resonate look at other other podcast who was on I I put a pitch out. It was a cold pitch to someone where they add a pretty big star on when they talked about something that tied into messaging. And the email that I sent was I saw this come through facebook I went in and listen to the episode about a week. Later I loved what so and so said about this. I feel this this and this, and I believe this can be part of the conversation as well. Here's my information I'd love to be considered for a guest if you are continuing on this topic. And all the best. The call came a day. Later it's the same thing in how we reach out and make it much more personalized. Take a second to listen to that podcast if you don't have a second you need to take. Say I need to take twenty seconds and I need to solicit twenty podcast and boom boom boom boom boom. Well, good luck or to take those extra couple minutes and really sift through and figure out where the best places are for you to be for you to communicate for you to represent yourself your authority, your authenticity. Take a little bit more time to honor your reputation and where you are and not just being the. That that real estate, you know crazy sales available twenty, four seven. I don't want a real estate agent at claims to be a family man or family woman that's available twenty, four seven because then that means it's just all everybody else in it's not about their family. In the same way, it's the same thing with podcasts you might not want to be on every single one. And then getting to the point of payment. This is A. You could you could go into this for hours. So many things we're just GONNA keep it at the authenticity we're GONNA keep it the personalization from the host to the guest of the guest of those but then this payment thing. I've been contacted and. Reached out. No, I hadn't been contact I contacted this one person. and. They said they talked about this authority and authenticity podcasts. These are two words that mean a lot to me that just the words but what's behind them and so we had this great conversation about half hour and the host was thrilled and felt like a great conversation. Then she began to explain what I had to pay her to be on her show. And I don't pay to be on shows and I don't believe you should either, and then as I'm listening and I'm reading through her stuff and I'm checking her numbers, which that was what she wanted Baid against what she's reaching absolutely not for one that arrogance was a turnoff second off when she stating their the I seek out these people I make sure to find these people in these kind of people to share with you because this is what I'm doing authentically and transparently no, it's not transparent. She has a system in a situation where she gets people to buy onto her show. So she can make that kind of money so that she's hitting to a smaller audience and it's the same problem with some of these speaking conferences not to go too far into another direction. But certain people that you see on states certain people that you see in these virtual rooms in these virtual meetings, they paid to be viewed as experts. and. There are many that are not experts don't have the authenticity. The don't have the authority and they're in the room. There was virtual group I popped in there just to see what was going on and then popped out. I. Got an email from a woman. Can I get on the phone with you? Sure. We'd love you to be one of the speakers and one of the people leading inside of this room. Okay. Here's what we charge and that immediately became a turn off. So. that. I have to market and that she would put people in there that have their marketing dollars to appear to be more than they are. So don't pay to be on a podcast. Is it really that beneficial and really would you turn around and want to state? Hey, I paid for this positioning. Is that something you WanNa share with those clients. Oh. This is going to get me in front of this many people. Are you sure are that many people really tuned in? Is that conversion really happening and could that money be used organically and authentically somewhere else? So I'm against the whole I. was against pay for play to a certain extent in music I'm definitely against pay pay to play or pay to guest on these podcasts. I'm going to circle around, wrap it up again, the core ideas here. This could be an episode that could go on for hours to go through step by step but the thing is when you begin to think with authenticity when you think with the aspect of where the authorities and where it isn't humility to be able to say you know what? Maybe I'm pushing something a little too hard. Maybe I'm. Not Quite there yet, and maybe if I'm putting this out in somebody's doing their due diligence to check me out they're gonNA shut me down in close contact for any time in the future I'm against some of those business coaches and Gurus at say make twenty calls a day. Tell them this tell them you're going to do this. You'll build up and then learn how to be able to do that. I wouldn't want to trust somebody doing that to me. Would you want to trust somebody doing that to you and at the same time if you're trying to present yourself as more a door and they find out, you're not adore can be shut. When you present yourself as you are what you're doing, how you're growing, even more doors can be opened. Look at it from the standpoint whether it's guests soliciting or host booking or both. How can you come off with the Authority? True Authority transparent authority, what you are where you are in that moment, not pretending not embellishing because the people that are not. The people that are going to be turned away by that. You might not necessarily want them on your show. And the people that are going to be attracted to that they could be some of your best new conversations and best connections at the same time. Think from the perception. Not just the intention you get the intention of your heart, the guest I want to get out here for these people I want to help want to help want to help are you able to help? and Are you able to help their certain shows. It's just not gonNA. Make sense to go on. It certain shows that just I it's not bothering there's a branding show and they call themselves brandman. It's a brand messaging strategy show. And, the quote that I saw from this individual was branding about how you make other people feel. No okay. Now going to the perception and going to one off I think that's a subjective statement and I believe it to be wrong. But where am I going to be a good guest for that person if I was to go on that show and contradict them, I had a guy who was a music show. I was completely against morally ethically professionally his approach and he was really for whatever reason upset that I wouldn't come on and I explained to him I said I disagree with you on these things and I'm open for debate I. Love debates but it was I, was everything I was about everything that this guy was not it was the pure opposite and it was strange because he said, he read my book he loved my Book On. Music and he follows my book yet everything that he puts out his exactly the polar opposite. So I said to him I said, you don't want me on the show I'm GonNa, be a terrible guest. Contradict you. I'M GONNA. Hit you certain objective things is a lot of proven fact I can show that goes against these facts that you're claiming that aren't true. So why have me on? He pushed he went to insulting ended up. Fortunate. I had to block. It was just it was a weird conversation and again I don't mind debate but it wasn't a good place for me to be a wooden been a good place for him to have me. We can go to and this becomes the last part I'm sorry before going to the last part. We can go to the perception. We should go the perception. How is this going to be read? Are we going to go onto a show where some of these shows are out there where they're going to ridicule and mock and maybe sometimes that can be fun but other times it doesn't work so well. Understanding beyond the intention of what you're trying to do a what you're trying to say or why you're trying to understand the perception that it may be seen differently, and that goes to the booking and that goes. So heavily into the tactics for what you wrote and why you wanted to be on that show in that template you create or maybe you bought from one of these podcasting professionals. Maybe a thousand other people sent that exact same lateran said that exact same thing. So there becomes one of your differentiates. And lastly, one of the best tactics is differentiating the subjective from the objective to be able to go on and clarify when it's a fact and went into opinion. The subjective guest that can sit there and play it from the angle or I'm sorry. Even better performance from the angle of this is what I see. This is why see this is what I believe, and then being very careful that if you're gonna stay a fact, you have the ammunition to back that thing up is a fact because there is so many podcasters out there. They lay claim they make a claim it could be an opinion shifted to fact, and it's just going to end up being an argument. When you're able to balance that, and even while you're on those shows to be able to okay I, see where you're coming from. This is what I understand. This is what I've learned. This is why I've come to this point not trying to win not trying to win a conversation, but trying to create conversations is going to create more engagement even if you're debating. So, in the end here, the tactics come down to the authentic, the authority in you, the subjective and the objective, and then the intention and the perception. Think about it whether you're reaching out to try to get on a show whether you're reaching out to try to get somebody else on your show. Think that maybe they've had hundred people at day send the exact same thing or say the exact same thing. So how do you state something that is part of your story your messaging your differential Do you have an interview information sheets I mean this is again for another show. Do you have? A podcast sheet or a page that can send them and not just say Oh go listen to these but maybe a nice sample. Nice sample thing that cuts in and cuts out can you invite these people and at the same time for the guests? Can you send them to different videos? Can you send them to different places quick snippets? So they can get a sense of you quickly and then choose if they WANNA learn more or take more time with you and that closes with the humility of it. Lead with you not the numbers I have twenty million followers I have a new? York. Times bestseller is things. Considered leading I mean you WanNa add that in and buffer that in some way by all means do so if that feels good but lead with your authenticity leave with your humility lead with who you are, what you are, what your show is about. In this ability to reach out and connect and communicate stop showing off and try sharing with other people to see where a new conversation could begin a new show a new level of engagement new audience and doing it in an authentic organic way than just trying to get out there and get your name out there and your website and your product on every page. Possible taking that authentic approach showcases that much more authority and showcases that much more true engagement and opportunity than just being that overly dominant. Pushy overly. Selley. And Lacking in true authority and lacking and true authenticity. That shift in your voice that shift in your tone, your temperature and your delivery with the consideration of all the other things that are being delivered to these people. It will help you stand out. It will open doors and it will open opportunities for more conversations, more interviews, more podcasts media as a whole. Think about that before you pitch to guest think about that as a gas before you pitch to a host and think about that before any conversation inside the authenticity, the authority, the subject of the objective. Intention the perception. And then join a conversation as opposed to trying to get someone to give you a conversation that you just take over.

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