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WM19: Why is Everyone Staring at Me?
"Welcome to wind mind. The PODCAST TO PSYCH nerds share a bottle of wine and uncorked the complexities of the human. Mind if you've ever poured back a few glasses of wine and found yourself wondering why is everyone staring at me then my friend. This is the podcast for you. Hello and welcome to wind episode Nineteen Gene. Thank you for joining us. I'm Rhonda and I'm Heather every episode. We ask US Ikoyi question and pair it with a bottle of wine because wine is awesome. Alright friends let's uncork regard brains so I was wondering this week. Why is everyone staring at me? This is the question of of the week leakier. Does that keep you up at night. Sometimes sometimes it does not as much as it did when I was in high school and I had to give you know oral presentations in front of the class and I was incredibly uncomfortable that I had a little more but when you say things like oral people do Stereo especially in high school eight so the question is why. Is everyone staring at me. The wine that I'm pairing with this question this week. I think pretty perfect. It is a rose. Aa Ed. I'm going to start with that already. Fan Rosa otherwise known as a blush right and the title or the name of this line is and why am I Mr Pink. So there's a story behind why it's called that but I'm GonNa tell you the story of why I think it's perfect for this question when you think about feeling like everyone is staring at you feeling embarrassed feeling like you're in the spotlight. I don't know about you you but I get read. I blush I break out in probably more than just a blush but I get pretty red splotch e. So I thought what's better hurt to go with this topic of being embarrassed in social situations having anxiety in social situations than a blush wine and I found a blush rush wine which I've actually had before and I hadn't thought of it so I saw it in the store again but it's called Mr Pink so the wind is blushing. It's blush color. It's perfect and the due to its named after his blushes. Yes so this wine it is as I said it's a it's called Mr Pink but the bottle says in. Why am I Mr Pink so it is a two thousand eighteen rose Zeh? It's out of Columbia Valley Washington. It is made with sand jovita grapes tips and so this one is fun because it is part of this underground wind project which is a collaboration between two really. Big Washington engine winemakers Mark mcneilly from Mark Ryan winery. Which I guess is a pretty big deal if you know anything about wine and I didn't? I've never heard of it but I'm sure there's lots of things but we don't have it and this other guy trae Bush shoes from slight of hand sellers So two pretty big Washington wine names James in two thousand nine released their first collaboration wine which was called idle hands. They only produce one hundred cases of it sold out became like a cult favorite. I guess and so. Then they've since then done a couple of other collaborations so this Mr Pink Collaboration of theirs so so they started. I guess talking about making it They said that this project started over a glass of wine in a conversation about the movie reservoir dogs which is equipped to Tino. She no film my fiance's a huge Tarintino fan so he was very excited when he found this bottle of wine and showed it to me. Mr Pink was my favorite character. So so if you don't know anything about the movie so the quote from the make the winemaker said. I think we're probably drinking sharply and talking about Steve Buscemi's character. Victor and we decided Mr Pink would be the greatest name for a Rosa some history pink in the movie Played by Steve Buscemi. So if you're not seeing the movie I'm not GonNa give you the whole breakdown down but basically you know it's very violent movie it's Tarantino but these characters all have different color names because they have codenames so Mr Pink is one of the characters and he's actually the only character to survive at the end of the movie so there you go this particular wine they. He said you know they were talking. They were drinking wine and they were talking about the movie and then they thought Mr Pink would be the great a great name for Arosa so they They said they wanted to make make something. That was fun. But Not Cambier cheesy something that would look equally at home on a massive display at mit market or at the table at Cafe Juanita. So I don't you know what that means but okay shortly after that conversation. The pair sat down With their go to label designer and he sketched something on a cocktail napkin and they instantly decided that that was what they were going to do. So I will show you the label and we'll post it on the website too but it's just a very simple it's a white label. It has sort of just literally. And why am I in gray and then Mr Pink and pink so I guess in two thousand fifteen. They released east thousand cases of it. It was gone in five weeks and so then in two thousand seventeen. They ramped up on that. So now they're making I. I guess they said eighty ton ferments so fermenting eighty tonnes of wine. It became very popular. So that is the story of the wine the creation of this collaboration. I don't know if you can answer the question. But when when to winemakers collaborate on a bottle of wine how how does each of them contribute something from their separate vineyard or I don't really know specifically on this one they it says that they So it's it's a senior of AC made with fruit from ancient lakes and while Lewke slope. So I don't know if they have different vineyards and they kind of combine their own or if it's more just collaboration and that like they source the grapes. They want for it and collaborate in the way they want it to taste and look and all interesting so they said the making of if Mr Pink involves skin contact during pressing only and I'll talk a little bit more about what that means with Rosa. So they said they were looking for a pink that POPs but doesn't doesn't look too dark so they said they did this skin contact pressing own lane then followed it with a series of tastings and blending 's that was a group exercise between them. They came up with their joint style and I guess too. That's how the collaboration kind of works So we'll talk a little bit about just real quick. I said this is Sandra Visa. It's Arosa and it's from Washington so I'm GonNa give you a little bit of information about that Sanjay. AC without going in too much detail. I WanNa talk more about it as a Rosa. Just about it as a group in general. Because usually you see Sandra. AC is a as a red wine. Apparently Sandra is Italy's top grape variety priority. But it's one of the most underappreciated Rosie Grapes and Italy Sanjay says usually labeled as Rosado which is the Italian the N.. Word for pink. So if you see a Rosado wine it's probably San Giovanni grapes that's interesting 'cause I usually skip over Rosetto thinking it's too close to Mus Scotto auto and so I think it's GonNa be a swimming right now and this is and I think we've talked about this in another episode where I did a Rosa. But that's a common misconception conception about rose as in general is I think people are wising up to that. Now AS Roma's as have been popular last couple years but that Rosa that because it's pink it's going to be sweet like the old white Zinfandel or whatever but it's not it's made it can be just like a white wine or red. Wine can be sweet but just because it's pink doesn't mean it's sweet Just because it's darker pink doesn't mean it's sweeter it actually means. The skin of the grape skate stays in contact with the juice longer because the color alert comes from the skin of the grape which actually makes it sort of a deeper richer Roseanne Roseanne. So if there's one public service that we're offering here is rose. He is not ways in Rosa's not my don't avoid it just because it's being don't avoid a dark. Pink rose eight just because you think that's going to be sweet. That's not the case so so Sanjay C. J. Tim staff flavors of wild strawberry bursts of red fruits Some subtle like spices like all spice vice cloven cumin. Apparently and as I said it's the most planted wine grape in Italy but in Washington it just kind of has a very small niche. The I I guess there are four main grapes that are really popular for Rosa and Sanjay visa is one of those. But it's kind of on the bottom of the list and it tends to have a sand g-o-v AC arosa tends to be rosy that is more like that salmon light salmon color and not so much peak so it is really light. You know. I don't know if you can kind of see it but it has that sort of salmon. Ten it's nice. I like it and part of that. Is that the winemaker. said they really wanted a pink here that popped but didn't be too dark so they said they only let the skin have contact with the juice during pressing only so I talk about that a little bit with throws So there are four main ways of making a rosy wine The most popular by far is something called limited skin maceration and essentially really. What that means is that they mash up the grapes? They leave the skin on contact with for a while depending on how dark they want it to be and then they Strain off the juice. The juice then without the skin continue to from it the second most popular way is direct pressing and it sounds like. That's what they did with this wine so it's very similar. But essentially all. It is is an indirect pressing they allow the grape juice to have contact with the skin. Only while it's being pressed and then it doesn't soak with it at all. The grapes are pressed right away. Remove the skin and so there's just a hint of that pigment but they don't get really dark so it tends to produce the lightest colors wrote say and apparently rose as that use direct pressing tend to be more citrusy with hints of strawberries but of course the great variety is GonNa very the flavor. There you go. That is apparently made and I said it so is it. PRODUCED IN WASHINGTON San Giovanni say very popular in Italy really not so much as a Rosa coming out of Washington lead kind. has this little niche there but Washington is actually the second largest US producer of wines just behind California and it is split into two distinct regions by this mountain range. And the most probably the Ryan's they do they're of course Merlot Chardonnay which are kind of the most popular in America. In general but Sanjay Jovesa Roseanne is kind of gaining this little niche there. So that is it okay now. This blushing wine. So as I said it you know is is light. Sammy it does so it. Supposedly what I read on the Internet is the hit. This one is mostly traced like crisp watermelon. Fresh pick strawberries and a little bit of grapefruit. And it's supposed to be break in refreshing making your mouth water just a bit so all right only smells Tell us if it lives up to the hype. It's smells strawberry and watermelon. I can definitely small watermelon. It is tasty makes me wish it was still summer and I could be sitting on the porch drinking this yet. It's definitely getting to the time of year where I probably will not be drinking refrigerator winds anymore and I didn't. I wasn't planning on doing a Rosa today. I went to the wine store and was thinking. I definitely get a red because it's chilly out. But then I thought I really should do a blush wine for this episode and this one was perfect but yeah no this is really nice. It's definitely there is a little bit of light acidity but it's not like crazy super acidic. I know you're you said. You're drinking SAUVIGNON BLANC tonight. And it's not as acidic is a Sauvignon Blanc would be sure. It does definitely taste some unlike the watermelon the strawberry. So we'll go. It's definitely bright. It's not sweet. But it's it's fruity it's nice. It's like summer so I'm wishing it was summer right now. Well we got a ways to go before we're back there now all right so that I should try to answer your question. Yeah so why does it sometimes feel like everyone is staring at me. Why would somebody feel that way have you? Have you read. The I don't know if it's a mean even necessarily but somebody online is telling embarrassing story about. How like they're in the library? I don't know if it's a school library college or just a library somewhere. And they have gas pass and so they figure the music is loud enough so they'll go ahead and equal out. No one will notice. That sounds a good plan. So they do that and they they get away with it and then they do it again and they get away with it but then they start to notice that everyone's staring at them and then eventually they noticed people are moving away from them and then they realized that the music is loud because they're wearing headphones and why they can't hear anything everyone else can hear them for well. I don't think that's why I feel like people blur staring at. That's why everyone was staring at that guy though. I'll keep that in mind before I fart and public check to make sure I'm not wearing ain't headphones. Yeah so a my best guess unwise you feel that everyone is staring at. You is social things. -iety disorder also known as Social Phobia. Man Is this is another disorder for me to have yes. I'll spoiler alert. I'll give you the good news. It's super super treatable. Okay well to be fair. I feel like this is the thing that affected me a lot more when I was like in school and high school I always. I felt like I was walking down the hall. I was sure that like people were looking at me and thinking about me and making fun of me and yeah and I think that's a pretty common thing that a lot of teenagers go through through. Yup So we're GONNA we'll talk about the prevalence of it in versus teenagers But there there is a difference so I'm just going to start with a general definition of what social anxiety disorder is or social phobia there. It's the same thing. So the two terms are interchangeable. Yes exactly but this is a fear. Fear anxiety about social situations and the key here is the person feels like they're being scrutinized so this can be in like social social interactions such as having a conversation with somebody or if somebody is observing you doing something like eating or drinking and can also be. She like performing in front of others giving a speech in front of others like stage fright faulty. Yeah probably it does except for if if the fear is restricted to only like performing or speaking of public. Then there's a specifiers That you would say it's performance only so it's it's not it's not general to all these other social situations it's performance only and that's the only specify are for this. There's no other specific types. Okay so anyway. It can the person that has this can react in a number of different ways So children react differently than adults. Obviously so adults probably are more likely likely to just avoid this situation. Children may react by freezing up or screaming crying having a Tantrum or doll you get the luxury of saying. I just don't want to do these things I don't like doing wrong when you're a kid. Go to school do it anyway. You'RE GONNA fail. Yeah Yep exactly so the idea. Here is the person Jason feels like. They'RE GONNA act in some way that's going to be humiliating or embarrassing or will somehow lead to their projection. Make you'RE GONNA. You're being adjudged or yes. Yeah and so it. It becomes a disorder diagnosed diagnosed disorder if it lasts for six months or more okay. So so that's that's sort of the the short summary of it. There is a couple of things that I WANNA make. Sure you don't confuse it for So Oh I want to talk about the symptoms of this first and then we'll talk about what it's not because it's definitely not a couple other things so common symptoms of this. This would be like a rapid heartbeat tense muscles even lightheadedness feeling like you're gonNA pass out type some gas having like this out of body sensation nation stomach problems like stomach upset diarrhoea. hyperventilating like can't catch your breath. All of that stuff could happen K. K.. We know what what is. Here's what it isn't it's not shyness. It's different than just being shot so shyness there. There is a social impact to shyness. But it's more of a personality thing then I fear this thing and I'm going to avoid it does it. Does that make sense. Am I making making sensible this I think shyness is one of those so I feel like there's a couple of things. Like shyness gets lumped in with several the different things or or a lot of things get confused with shyness. That isn't really shine it so when we did our extrovert introvert episode. A lot of people assume that being being an introvert means you're shy right. That's not really the case I mean it can be but extroverts could technically be shy to right. I think a lot of times people who are shy sometimes get misinterpreted as being snobby or something because there are two they maybe seem. I'm like they don't give eye contact and don't WanNa talk right. They keep themselves so how I mean in what way is feeling social anxiety different threat than feeling shy. Well so I don't WanNA use too many psychology terms here. Shyness isn't pathological but she'll Phobia is meaning that it like impacts areas of functioning in your life right so defining pathological would be like it's causing problems right so sometimes China's can move to the domain of social phobia. But I found this definition On wikipedia shy super reliable so it says China is the feeling of apprehension lack of comfort or awkwardness especially when the person is around around other people commonly occurs in new situations or with unfamiliar people. It can be characteristic of people who have low self esteem but not necessarily stronger more intense. It's forms of shyness can result in social anxiety or social phobia. The primary defining characteristic of shyness is largely ego driven fear of what other people will think of a person's behavior so I think they're they're really similar except for when it moved to clinical area of clinical significance. Meaning it's causing. It's impacting your life. Life in a negative way Then maybe moves into the territory of social anxiety and I. I liked what you said about like shyness. This is a personality trait. Yeah and social anxiety. Disorder is a pathological thing right right so maybe you feel awkward. You're not really comfortable around people but you can do it or you can force yourself to do it. You just don't really like it. I feel like shyness is is is personality and social anxiety is a reaction to something and I think I would guess that it's possible for people who aren't art shy quote unquote to have social anxiety disorder. Oh one hundred percent. Yeah and not. Every shy person has disorder. It's also not agoraphobia. Phobia so the people that avoid social situations usually those people are avoiding it because one. They think it's dangerous and to their avoiding eating having a panic attack like people agoraphobia. Is I mean if you think of the extreme cases those are the people who never leave their house because they're afraid to go outside and be around crowds house and be around other people and have something bad happen. Yeah that's different than this and maybe social anxiety and and AGORAPHOBIA can get can become co Morbid a bid or you know you can have them together but one doesn't necessarily equal the other just like shy doesn't necessarily equal social anxiety disorder. Yeah it's also not panic disorder disorder so people can have panic attacks but it doesn't necessarily mean that they have social anxiety sure it's not generalized anxiety so generalized anxiety is up more generalized news specific to social activities generalized. Anxiety is just you just I just worry about everything. In general I mean it's also not separation anxiety this doesn't have to do with being separated raided from somebody that makes you feel safe. It's not a specific phobia even though the the other term for this is social phobia. It's not a specific the civic phobia. Meaning there's fear to this one specific thing Because this can happen multiple situations right so if if for some reason if you have a phobia of being embarrassed in front of other people say like I I don't like flying right right right and so if if my concern was on. I'm going to get on that plane and I'm gonNA panic and be embarrassed in front of other people that would be specific civic phobia. That's specific to the situation and probably a panic disorder if you're avoiding doing a fear that you're having a panic disorder. Yeah but if I just you know generally I don't want to be embarrassed in front of people and think anything that I do in front of people might cause embarrassment. Then that's proper. So here's the difference right like your fear is of the plane plane crashing and therefore you have panic attack and maybe you're afraid you're going to have a panic attack because you get so afraid. Your fear is an. I'm going to get on the plane and everybody's going to be watching me and judging me and yeah but even if my fear was I'm GonNa get on the plane and have a panic attack and other people are going to judge me. That's still a specific phobia right because because it's one specific thing. It's not just that you're worried about people. Judging you in general yeah okay. So I said that I would talk about the the differences differences of who has this and between adults and adolescents. Okay okay has a different and kids than grownups. Yup Yup and males and females so is different right in general higher rates of social anxiety are found in females than males but the ratio is like one point five to two point linked to and. I wonder if this is one of those things. Where like I think we talked about this a little bit with deep depression? Maybe or something else like that. That maybe it's not that they actually have different rates but it's just that they get diagnosed differently or it goes unrecognized games don't come forward or the the DSM thinks that it's because social expectations and gender roles share and that men might not seek help for this. Not necessarily a biological difference writes probably are of a societal difference. Right and the the differences in the gender prevalence of this is more more pronounced in adolescence and young adults so once you get to adulthood. It's it's evens out a little bit. Yeah it's a little bit more similar wonder why that would be. I mean I guess just because it's really fucking king hard to be a teenage girl. Yeah it'd be a teenage boy but I mean so. I would think about think about societal expectations so teenage boys. If they're shy about something something to draw attention to someone else making fun of them or hitting right whatever you know and as adults a male adult who has this problem it's going to affect their career career And them being able to date and have a family and all of those things so I think there's more reasons for them to seek When they get to that so I that's my guess? Guess of why okay. So the median onset of social anxiety disorder in the United States is thirteen years old. So seventy five percent of individuals have an onset age of between eight and fifteen years. It's almost like you start middle school and puberty and life becomes really fucking awful ahead here worried about making you all the time better all right well so the the original question John was. Why is everyone yeah right? Well so we're going to attempt to answer the question of why people are so anxious in social situations so there's a couple full of things that we know based on our culture so US culture or Western European culture And there's some stuff that's different in other cultures which I found interesting so the why question is not as easy to answer because very might vary depending On your culture and your upbringing sure so we know that this generally emerges in childhood so I could start his shyness and turn into this social ambition later in life sometimes. It's follows something that happened. That was really stressful or humiliating. So like if you were bullied bullied or perhaps you had to give a speech in school and you vomited during it Hokka. That's the worst possible thing happened in my book. We already know. I have a specific talk about vomit so but that might be something that triggers this social anxiety is already kind of a somewhat shy kid. Yeah and then you have to do something publicly and it bombs horrifically and you can't then it spirals into this bigger just it creates this. It's basically a trauma on my response. You just try to protect your ego from ever having that situation again so for having it come about in adulthood for the first time. Time is pretty rare so there's probably going to happen after some life changing humiliating event. I know that when I saw when I was his counseling Teenagers the seemed like a lot of teenagers. Who came into my office? One of the biggest things they were it was either anxiety depression. Most of the time and a lot of anxiety had to do was was really social anxiety that they were having and I mean it makes sense when you're a teenager because your social world is really everything right but I know one of the things that we talked about or I would try to talk about with these teens was so when you have social anxiety or you have a fear of doing this thing expectation the other people are judging you or making fun of you or scrutinizing your whatever by avoiding it you are only feeding into Ooh that fear you have of it and so you avoid the situations so you don't give your chance yourself a chance to see that. Maybe they're not or maybe it's going to be okay or maybe all make it through and then your fear gets worse and then you avoid it more and then your fear gets worse and eventually you're so like Fearful and awkward about it that when something does is come up you're GONNA be extra awkward in the situation because you have to sing handling the situation and then not only your beliefs that everybody's scrutinizing housing you and then it just becomes this vicious cycle. Yeah Yeah so And they say that the people that do come to get treatment for it it it tends to be a pretty persistent disorder. Meaning it's GonNa need repeated treatment in order to keep it under control So there there are sort of three different categories that this can fit into the reason why it develops okay. It can be temperamental so you might be predisposed to social anxiety variety naturally shy person or genetic or whatever yeah could be environmental also although there's no like this happens and suddenly become become a socially anxious person but there could maybe yes. So there's there's no causation here. But they've noticed that there's increased rates of of social anxiety disorders in People who had mistreatment in their childhood shaven they were abused or taught to feel like they they were not less than there. Yeah yeah and so while there. Their risk factors. They're not causes K.. Correlation relation is not causation. Exactly I have a good example of this. I knew someone who had social anxiety disorder pretty bad as an adult but it definitely developed as a child and it it developed out of his mother. Clearly what I know now had borderline personality disorder which means shoes really unpredictable unstable. Yeah and so. He was already a shy person but she would often embarrass him until situations by like yelling at wait staff or clerks in stores to control. Yeah exactly and so he. As a result of that became a very socially anxious personnel. You never know where embarrassment is going to strike and it could literally be anywhere. UH In his mind it was just. It was inevitable at any given moment yeah. Something's GonNa make me embarassed. Yeah this is what I have learned right. Exactly and then there's genetic and physiological factors so there's some genetic influence to this and so like if your parents are socially anxious this your that's modeled for you. You may behave socially anxious as well social anxiety disorder. They believe is you could inherit it But performance anxiety. Remember we talked about that is less prone to being inherited so general social anxiety but not the performance anxiety necessarily interesting. I wonder why that would be. I don't know maybe you don't get that modeled as much or something. I don't know right. Yeah sure of a situational type thing. Yeah I guess right. Yeah Gosh I don't know if you think about performance anxiety maybe one of those things where it develops out of screwing up And so if that hasn't been your personal experience maybe I don't know but anyway a first degree relatives have eight to six times greater chance of having social anxiety if they're so you know if their parents so I yeah okay yeah two to six percent greater Two to six times right like six times greater okay. Okay well yeah. It's not a hundred times but that's true. It's not one hundred times insurance depending on what number. You're comparing it to well. I mean I feel like there are I. Don't maybe know the numbers. But I feel like there are a lot of other disorders. That have a higher like probably generalized anxiety or depression or something probably have a higher percentage likelihood if your parent has it. I don't know I could be completely wrong on that. But that's my feeling well when we do our episode about generalized anxiety disorders. Why do I wear all the time? That is legit question. The hanes if you've been enjoying wine mind. We have some friends we think. You'll also enjoy my podcast softly-spoken mission tau shy people show people don't need fixing we don't need to change we all world filled with noise and Hotak. It's time for us to speak up and stop hiding the shine. Mighty society is safe place for shy people to shine learn specific techniques to help you improve your confidence and overcome limiting beliefs. Make quite connections. The People just like you coaching support and encouragement to coach. You out of the shadows and help you reach your goals head over to shine mighty dot com to find out more welcome back. We topped off our wine. Glasses now. Back to uncorking those brains okay. So what are people anxious about. There's a whole list. I'll be no not everything because we've established that's generalized anxiety disorder generally speaking though adolescents tend to fear and avoid dating older adults fear and they tend to fear ear and avoid dating older adults no just deemed adolescence. Let me put a period on this. Okay lessons tend to avoid dating period. Yes period okay. Take dolts tend to fear of cheese embarrassment about their their appearance. So this is why run on sentences sentences are dangerous. I know so adults. It's more situation specific and there are other factors that come in for adults like if somebody's losing their hearing or vision or they have tremors as a result of some sort of medical. I don't WanNa say disability but some sort of medical issue they may have higher higher rates of social anxiety because they're a fear about their appearance how they appeared to other people at this interesting. I feel like I can. That speaks to make grandma a little bit lately She's pretty hard of hearing. She's ninety three she's pretty hard. She's always kind of been somewhat hard of hearing but now she's pretty hard of hearing and she's always been a little more socially reserved to doesn't warm up to strangers. You know super easy so shy. Hasn't really the word I'd use but so you know a little more. Socially reserved introverted. Probably right but she yeah she definitely I think maybe there's a little social anxiety going on. She doesn't want to go do group things she'd recently moved into this new community with a lot of seniors and we've tried to encourage her to go. Hey these ladies are going together for this or this and it's hard hard to get her to do it because she's talked about how like. Oh I just I feel like I don't know what's going on. I feel like everybody's just talking around me and you you know I feel like I don I. It's embarrassing to have to ask them to repeat themselves and So yeah I think it's easy to it's easy to see okay so you don't hear as well or you know you have tremors tremors or whatever it's easy to see that an older adults but really it's the same in fear in adults. Yes the fear about how you're GonNa appear if you forget somebody's name in a conversation warriors asking the same question twice or you say as something stupid I mean. How many times have we are out of that experience where we've asked were having conversation with somebody we'd know mhm maybe barely know or know really well and we've had to say like What what was that the third time you just pretend like you know 'cause you smile and you hope that they didn't say something about her? Yeah Yeah Yeah. And they're like so what do you think. And you're like yeah I know I'm like kill me now and that's when I'm like yes I don't we've all been there. Yep and this is why I don't talk to people so common triggers are talking to strangers speaking in public dating danger Making eye contact. Yeah entering rooms rooms using public restrooms going to parties eating in front of other people going to school or work starting conversations being judged by others accidentally offending someone being center of attention. Things like that. I can save the entering rooms so this person that I knew that had a significant social anxiety issue could not not enter a restaurant that that he did not understand what the situation was So he needed not order at the counter geared at the table. Do you pay at the table or do paid the counter. He needed to know all of that before. Could go to that place because if I go in and I look like I don't know what to do or I look along Florida's so in judge me for it. Yeah and so for me. It was really strange because that that ended up being what rubbed off on me when I spent enough time around the person then then I started to have the same anxieties even though I had not necessarily grown up in the situation that that but it started to rub off on me. I felt that that way a lot in my younger years like high school. You know my teenage years. I definitely I wouldn't go to places either either without somebody or if I arrived early was supposed to be meeting somebody I wouldn't go in on my own and I it. You know maybe it was less about. Oh I'm not going to know how things work and people we're going to judge me for that but it was more like people are going to see that I'm alone and they're going to judge me for that because it's weird alone right right so I had. I had this problem an an and it wasn't a problem because I was coupled right after right in high school and after high school so I never had to go anywhere alone. It was never that big of an issue that impacted my life life but then I got divorced and I was in my late Twenties and early thirties and I was single and I wanted to go do things by myself but I could not go somewhere practiced destitute before I couldn't do it and my friend cut bless her she used to she was. She was my best friend at the time that I spent all my time with and so she would meet me outside of restaurants at the door. She knew that I could not walk into a restaurant and then locate her. That would cause me so much anxiety. I remember for the first time we were GonNa meet somewhere and I had practiced and gotten a lot better at this and so I I called her and I'll be there whatever time and she said. Okay just call me when you get Darren. I'll meet you at the door and I'm like no that's okay I'll find you and she said what you'll find are you. What have you done Rhonda? I'm like yeah yeah find. You'll recall so yeah I definitely got over. That takes practice these talk to because I I love to go out to eat and I didn't have the date every night that I wanted to go out to eat and so I learned how to trick myself into being okay with it so I guess. Here's here's here's some tips for you guys. 'cause this worked for me. Sitting at the bar is always helpful. Yeah I did sit at the bar because I always had the bartender to talk to so like it. It doesn't seem as awkward So I would sit at the bar a lot but if I sat in a table by myself I would bring a book so that I could read the book and I then would make up the story that other people are are assuming that I don't WanNa be bothered. I'm here ranking away from it because I'm reading a book I'm not here alone because I'm a loser. Here lies I choose. I want to write my book. You have oh me. Oh and and do that piece so I had to. I had to convince myself that. That's the story that other people were thinking. And then I would make up these back backstories just simply because I let my mind wander on while others might be thinking of me I would. I would think about negative things so Chan I was too common stories. I would tell myself I'm a business woman who's in town for a business meeting and therefore of course I'm by myself because I'm not with my very and and the second one is Maybe I am married and my significant other is deployed in the military. And I'm just trying to get by. You know having dinner by myself and I would just tell myself those things until eventually I didn't need the vaccine. I didn't need the book because who the fuck cares angry and I wanna eat at a restaurant and everybody's too busy thinking about them own damn cells else to sit at the restaurant by yourself that much yes absolutely. Just don't care so that leads to the next part. Does this get better. The the answer is yes it does it. Can it can so generally speaking people that don't get treatment that just I have this issue In generally resolve itself within a year. So it's it's usually if it comes on because of something specific it's go away within about a year. If it's a lifelong developed in your childhood you're going to need to go seek treatment for it. In that that case about sixty percent of those individuals it takes several years. Sure longer and cognitive behavioral therapy which I feel like is the thing we say all the time in but that is it is very helpful. You can take medication. Medication is only useful for a little bit a little bit of panic and yeah and I think like the thing cvt it involves like practicing different like involved practicing the skills right practicing the behaviors practicing seeing the ways of thinking and so like. That's Kinda if it develops because you're not adequately practicing the skills yes you gotta practice them in order to to make it better right. CBT's actually changes the way that your brain works. And so if you don't change the way your brain works than your problem. Second go away so you can take medications ensure that you know might make you feel better like certain antidepressants can help but if you don't use antidepressants or medication in combination with CBT there's no long term benefits when you stop the medications the benefits. Yeah so so maybe you know in more extreme cases taking medication to even get you to being to the point where you can start practicing these things and thinking in different ways But in the long term it's GonNa take that actual exactly be actual brain rain changes. You're going to change behavior. Work the thought work all that stuff. Yeah so I found out some interesting cultural stuff about social anxiety so in like Japan and Korea. Yeah this is called Tijin Cayo Fu show and it's actually you think that you are making other people uncomfortable so it's a fear that you are making other people uncomfortable. The quote here is my gaze upsets people so they look and avoid me. Isn't that interesting. I remember I taught a multicultural psychology class. Once and talking about there there was a a unit where we talked about guilt versus shame and like Western culture is a guilt based culture right so like we put things things on us right right like or we feel like the difference between guilt and shame as I've done something bad I'm embarrassed by it like I've shamed myself self but eastern cultures in Asia and Japan. You know they are more shame based culture. So it's more about. How have I put this embarrassment embarrassment on others right? So that's so interested. It's not an individualistic culture. It's a collectivist it's more of a you know and so the idea the so interesting that the social anxiety isn't I'm being an embarrassment myself that I have made you feel weird because I'm being weird so I have to feel L. Social anxiety for making you uncomfortable right. It's just like it's it's the same thing really but it's it's such a different way of looking at the the relationship to others. Yeah well it's interesting that you mentioned this collectivist societies because the next interesting cultural thing that I've read was immigrant. Grit status is associated with significantly lower rates of social anxiety disorder in both Latino and non Latino white groups so the prevalence rate of social anxiety disorder may not be in line with self reported anxiety levels in the same culture meaning societies with strong collectivist. Orientations may report high levels of social anxiety but low prevalence of social anxiety disorder interesting. Yeah so they all it. You're more you're more likely to be thinking talking about how others think and feel and what their impression of you is in how. You're impacting them. But it may not progress to the disorder level because because it's more about their feelings than you're feeling right and so- females and I did not find that the said specifically Western in culture but I have a feeling that this is specific to western culture females with social anxiety disorder report a greater number of Co Morbid depressive bipolar anxiety tidy type disorders whereas males or more likely to have oppositional defiant disorder conduct disorder or use alcohol or drugs to relieve their symptoms. As as with any the other disorders females have been. Cultural is D- You to put it on themselves. Males have been cultural is to put it outward. Yeah and will and men are. Have you ever heard of the the emotional funnel system so no. I don't think so. Men and women have are both wolf born with the same broad range emotions but as boys grow They're taught to funnel their emotions down to the more acceptable emotions. which is the anger? Yes aggression emotion. Now Yeah Yeah things like that. Women Act in men act out so they all have the capacity for the same spectrum of emotions and it's just cultural culturally. We say no. No no like society has taught boys. You don't get sad you get mad you hittings it up. Whatever you go blow shit up? Society has taught girls. You don't get mad. You get sad you blame yourself you define the ice scream whatever. Yeah keep it to yourself. We don't WanNa hear about it and both are saying. Keep it to yourself. We don't hear about it but it is acted out in different ways. Yeah I will for men like you can express it but don't express. The real emotion expressed the acceptable emotion. You're sad you're angry. Women is you're not angry or sad had put that on T.. Shirt I yeah. So how does this affect people's lives. I mean we've talked about a couple of ways that we've noticed in our own lives chiefs but social anxiety disorder is associated with elevated rates of school drop-out obviously decreased wellbeing like depression anxiety. Things like that decreased I employment decreased workplace productivity decreased socio economic status and decreased quality of life. Yeah I feel like those things. Go Hand in hand. Make accents right well and it's also associated with and read what you want from this coming single unmarried or divorced and with not having children particular particularly particularly among men being judged being judged being judged being judged. Yeah or at least feeling like you're being judged being. Yeah being judged yeah and obviously not impede your social activities in your leisure activities. Because there's not a whole lot of leisure activities you can do without being social right or feel like you're not being judged for not being social into and so the estimates are that in western societies only about half of the individuals with the disorder ever seek treatment and they only tend to do so after about fifteen to twenty years of experience. Yeah but I mean I make sense if your fear is being scrutinized and judged judge D- The last thing you WanNa do is go talk to a stranger about how you feel scrutinize Indra judged because you think the strangers going to scrutinize scrutinizing judge me. Yep Yeah Yeah and just the idea of talking to a stranger you know boy. We have imagined that you'd be more likely treatment men if it was if it was more of the performance based more specific types of situations than just the in general because imagine the performance based gets discovered out of a necessity to have to do those things or a passion for wanting to do those things and so then. It's it's really getting in the way and so you would go see help to that. Makes me think about how you hear. Sometimes that Oh you'd be surprised. How many famous people title you have stage fright or you know have a lot of anxiety and you think oh well? How could this famous person possibly stage fright so I actually found a list of have some celebrities that have social anxiety disorder? So can I. Can I ask one I. Yes and I don't know if it would be on your list. There was always this new kids on the block. Were huge when I was in school and there was always this rumor that the reason that they stopped performing back in the day was because John had such terrible stagefright that he couldn't couldn't do it anymore so that one is not on my list. But I guess so then that there's also would be. I think this list is more like just general social anxiety disorder order. But I've heard of a lot you hear a lot O- with the stagefright. Yeah so stage fright that would be like the social anxiety disorder with the performance is based specifiers. Yeah and if you're allowed a lot of celebrities like I think about the white stripes Like meg white like she. White stripes broke up because she had such horrible stage fright and social anxiety disorder. That anymore. Wasn't that the reason that Mitch Hedberg worries Gases and his hair the way that he did so they often faced away from the audience often told his with his back to the audience. So Y- AH yeah. So here's so there's some that come up on here one the number one one. That's on the list. Is Jennifer Lawrence so like like sheet now. It says that she has admitted that she had suffered from anxiety at some point in our life that made her feel so maybe she kinda got past that imagine doing having to perform over and over again eventually her. That's that's therapy that's exposure Lady Gaga. Yeah I've heard that said That she is you know was kind of overtaken by her international success and you know. She had a lot of stress about being so like one of the reasons that she stood of put on these eccentric. Yeah Personas and cost. Jim was really to sort of hide her own personal self and feel more comfortable right I'm Drew Barrymore Jim Carey Oh Halle Berry one will send who has had. I know a couple of suicide attempts so interesting. He's had like depression. In addition Colin. Phero a big one. That kept coming up on multiple different lists was Barbara streisand So apparently like she has really bad performance anxiety. She said her. Social Phobia began in nineteen sixty seven when she forgot the lyrics to one of her songs during a live performance in central park and as she couldn't forgive herself about it and it became this sort of downward downward spiral that live performance again for almost thirty years and so then again. You're not giving yourself the chance to practice it and show that you. Can Dan do it. And show that you're going to get through it and be okay right. The that would be mortified. No Donny Osmond his panic attacks about having to perform got so severe very had seek treatment. Yeah interesting so so this I mean. There's a lot of reasons why celebrities turned to drugs and alcohol. But this could be one of those it was you know that it just helps them be able to move passion anxiety. I have so that they can do what they gonNA do. Yeah interesting so I did besides You know going to therapy because it's always tell you to go to therapy. Besides going to therapy there are a couple of resources that I did find So there's a book called called triumph over shyness conquering social anxiety. Disorder and to the description of the book says using humor warmth and language. That's easy to understand author author Murray Stein. MD and John Walker PhD. Explain what causes social anxiety disorder how it impacts social romantic relationships and what treatments work. So so there's that. There is the anxiety and Depression Association of America. Who Knew It is an international nonprofit organization dedicated to the Prevention Treatment and cure of anxiety depression? OCD PTSD and Co occurring disorders through education. Practice and research. There is so there's a website for that the anxiety and Depression Association of America and they have a member community. So I imagined that there's forums there that you can talk about this with other people and they also have therapy resources so you can look for a therapist near you and at the National Social Anxiety Center DOT com. You can read personal stories and watch personal video. Stories of people have struggled and gotten treatment and gotten better that if you need the extra encouragement to go get help. Maybe maybe you could relate to one of those people and then what are. We helps me when I am in. These situations is to Google some funny memes. That's a ED page funny pulled up and just be like that's totally me clearly. You're not alone if there's a meam about it and and especially with something like social anxiety whereas the thing is you feel like you're the one standing out and you're the one being awkward one being judged seeing that there's a whole bunch of other people Out there that are feeling the same way exactly so on that note. Can I share a couple of funny MEMES WANNA share so one of them is a picture of Jay Z. And it says I've I've got ninety nine problems and ninety seven of them are completely made up scenarios about people in my head. Yes I have seen before and I love that one. Yeah and then there's this one and this is actually more of like a twitter Combo but this one person posted miscommunication as a plot device. Makes me angry if you just talk to each other but no and this person replied and said the one. I agree with this but on the other hand one of my coworkers rented Alpaca from a petting zoo and brought it to work because my boss said she wanted. I pack a sweater. But the guy didn't hear her say sweater and didn't want to upset her by asking. Why the fuck should one and I'll pack up there you go and then I've seen lots of these names? Were at some version of somebody like wide awake late at night. And it's like that thing I said five years ago was very stupid right. Yes us so I was just reading a bunch of things today and somebody said I forget what it was but they misspoke and said Oh I think he said he was trying to helping elderly woman and she said thank you and he wanted to say you're welcome and no problem but what came out was your problem and endure for the next five years. Yep Yep which is true. I mean that's the thing things I mean just over and over her. Yeah we have this way of just analyzing over analyzing the situation from every angle and no matter what way you look at it. It doesn't end up up with like well. If the person understood. That was a mistake. No it ends up with. How big of an idiot you are and that nobody could possibly see it any other way high? Yeah exactly Yup. It's great. Yeah this one one says this one. This one says this speaks to what we were saying a minute ago about treatment. I have so much social anxiety that I can't see a therapist about it because I'm too socially anxious to go. See why you hats. That's it I mean you social anxiety I dunno no no anxiety anxiety man. It is the worst walking up in the club like I have social anxiety and I wanna go home. My husband often is like why don't you just not worry about stuff if I could just not worry about stuff all right. I wish I the thought of that. Why don't I just? This idea occurred to me so I should just find what the fuck do we need therapists for just solve everything and my answer is usually. This is why I go to therapy so another good. One is picture of a guy with like a giant book that must have a bazillion pages in it and it says what I want to say. And there's a picture of a teeny tiny little book that fits in between your in your Pinky says what I actually have to say because I have crippling anxiety and then the third picture is like a three year old scribble and it says what actually ends up coming out of my mouth because I had a stroke thinking thinking about it. That does happen to me a lot. I will combine two words or trip over words that I just like keep walking like okay must leave that situation now. I just did it at work the other day it was saying something to someone and I just like spit the rest of the word out and just kept walking. Like you can't deal with this right now. I'm going to my home. Yep The worst is when you when this happened to me somewhere yesterday were oh so. We're having a garage sale hill this weekend and I can't tell you how many times like somebody so they bought something and they'd walk away and you know it'd be it'd be like thanks and they'd be like good good luck with yourself or have a good rest of your cell and I was thinking they were GonNa say like have a good name and then I'd be like you to be like you're not having a sale. Never mind and yes. I'm stupid time the Youtube to whatever right. Yeah people handy the receipt at the the store. Oh and I do like my closing conversation on. The phone is usually talk to you later. And I'll do that sometimes with people on the phone phone at you're not gonna I'm not GonNa talk to them later right so so then I'm like they must think I'm GonNa call them and follow up or something. I'm not doing that so you. He called order pizza. And then you're like all right talk to you later. I'm like I guess when you come get the beats and this is exactly why I don't answer my phone. If I can avoid it I have a friend who Kind of like is one of those constant like. I'm sorry. I'm sorry I'm sorry and we've talked about. I saw this shirt that is perfect and I think it's also a the perfect social anxiety shirt but it says sorry awkward. Sorry yes well. That's all. I have about social anxiety. It's it's it's fucker. I feel like we in on that note with a lot of talk about some sort of disorder like yeah well. That's that sucks man. It'll get you. That's why we drink wine. I mean if this was just mind not wine mind food harsh. Is this why the show is not just called mind. 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Fauci Predicts Widespread Vaccine Availability By April. Are Americans Ready?
"It's time for americans to get ready to be vaccinated. I want to encourage americans to get prepared and educated now at a briefing on wednesday for operation. warp speed. The government's vaccine development program health and human services secretary. Alex as our said people should get online and do their research now visit the. Cdc's website to find out more about the vaccine's we're developing in the process. They've gone through with the fda weighing emergency approval for two vaccines is our. Isn't the only government official telling people to get ready. By the time we get to april. The normal healthy young man or woman thirty years old. Who's got no one to line. Conditions can walk in to a cbs walgreens and get vaccinated. Dr anthony foul cheap said in an interview with facebook's mark zuckerberg this week. Anyone who wants to should be able to get a shot by april. The challenge is convincing people not to put it off if they want to wait a month or so. That's okay but i don't want to wait six. to eight. to nine months a return to normal life out she said depends on at least seventy five percent of the population getting vaccinated. So if you want to be part of the solution get vaccinated and say. I'm not going to be one of the people that's going to be a stepping stone for the virus to go to somebody else. I'm going to be a dead end to the virus. Consider this for most of us. A vaccine is just months away. The next phase of the public health effort is convincing enough to get from npr. I'm audie cornish. It's wednesday december. Second since the nineteen eighties. Hip hop and america's prisons have grown side by side. But we will investigate this connection to see how it lifts itself and holds us down hip hop is talking about what we live trying to live. The american dream fell in at the american dream. I'm sending mallon. I'm rodney comart. Listen now to the louder than a riot. Podcast from npr music each as the collision a rhyme and punishment in america. It's consider this from npr while a vaccine is months away for most of us for healthcare workers and people in long term care facilities. It could be a matter of weeks. I'm gambling the meeting to order. This is the emergency meeting of the advisory committee on the cdc's advisory committee on immunization practices. That's a group of doctors and medical scientists held a closely-watched meeting on tuesday. This week they were voting on a series of recommendations for who should get the very first doses of the coronavirus vaccine. This committee is an independent group. Within the cdc which almost always adopts the recommendations. I'll just mention that Dr beth bill opened the three hour meeting with a grim statistic. Averaging one covid death permitted in the united states right now In the time it takes up to have this safety. I meeting One hundred and eighty people will have died on kobe nineteen so We are acting high. Gets a none too Now the committee has been working for months on these recommendations background now at mar which boil down to a tiered system after all for states and local authorities to decide what to do with the first doses of a vaccine. Yes this vote. This week was about who is in the very first tier before the motion committee chair. Dr jose romero announced thirteen two one decision vaccination in the initial phase of the covid nineteen vaccination program one eight should be offered to both healthcare personnel and rather than long term care facility healthcare personnel and residents of long term care facilities will receive the first doses of vaccine. How many doses will that be. And when amanda cone of the cdc laid out the best case scenario we anticipate having about forty million doses so enough to cover somewhere between fifteen and twenty million individuals Which does cover a large portion of healthcare workers by the end of december and then after that another five or ten million doses could be available each week cone said for other groups in an order still to be determined by the way one reason the vote was thirteen one. I have really struggled with the lone. No vote dr. Helen talbot and associate professor of medicine at vanderbilt university medical center in a public meeting last week. Talbott said she wasn't sure people in long term care facilities should get the vaccine so soon in part because coincidental deaths in nursing. Homes might erode public trust in the vaccine. And i think you're going to have a very striking Backlash of my grandmother got the vaccine and she passed away And they're not likely to be related but that will become remembered and break some of the confidence in the vaccine. Npr's ping wong reported on this week's meeting of the ac ip and others find her work at the link in our episode notes. By the way we should mention some other vaccine news on wednesday officials in the u k approve the vaccine developed by pfizer. Emergency use in that country. That is one of two vaccine still awaiting emergency approval here in the us. That approval has to come from the fda in the meantime the cdc committee. We just told you about still has a lot of work to do in terms of deciding how the vaccine rollout should progress in the early part of next year one of the doctors on that committee is robert atmar of baylor college of medicine in houston he spoke to. Npr's mary louise kelley about what's next. So let's start with the The recommendations from from this panel yesterday it makes total sense that healthcare workers should get first access and then who next. That's something that we've had some preliminary discussions on but have not yet determined the. Please fire department Teachers and other people in central positions might be in the next group followed by persons with underlying diseases that put them at greater risk of complications or death including persons age of sixty five. Do you still have outstanding questions about either of these. Two leading vaccine candidates That that you would want answers to before vaccinating say your colleagues at baylor medicine. I will want to review the data and particularly the safety data We know that individuals will have some side effects. I think knowing exactly what the actions are to be expected will reassure individuals who are going to receive the vaccine i ask. Are you hearing any hesitation among staff people saying. I'm not sure. I want to be in the very first group. Let me see how it goes for a couple of weeks We're hearing a lot of hesitation among health care personnel. And i think a lot of it has to do with the plo sized nature of the vaccine development in the whole response to the pandemic so were beginning to roll out education to reassure. The there weren't any steps that were skipped but because of the severity of the pandemic one person a minute dying in the united states each day it really is important to try and take steps that will be effective in preventing disease if you are hearing hesitation. Even from healthcare workers from frontline people at at baylor. How do you expect to persuade the rest of texas. The wider population well the healthcare workers. I've spoken to who have expressed concern to me. I don't necessarily want to be in the first group even though they're prioritized for the first group but want to see for themselves how their friends and colleagues respond to the vaccine. I understand that's human nature. But i certainly plan on being a model if either vaccine becomes available and is recommended by the demonstrate my confidence and the vaccine and the whole review and approval process. You'll be as close to the front lines as you're able to get correct. Dr robert atmar with baylor college of medicine in houston so vaccines will be available to healthcare workers and those in long term care facilities will be mandatory in hospital settings. It's pretty likely flu. Vaccines already are mandatory for some healthcare employees a mandatory covid nation in any other workplace and whether employers could require. It is a huge open question. Here's npr's andrea shoe only a couple of months into the pandemic. Hollie smith had made up her mind. Her restaurant cafe. Juanita kirkland washington would not reopened a diner's until there was a covid nineteen vaccine. She's already told her staff. You are going to get vaccinated. Some of my young millennials are like. I'm taking this as a directive like as a mandate. Is that how you made it. It's scary thing you know really. Yeah yes yes. Smith had twenty eight employees before the pandemic. She's had to lay off all but five. Her dining spot has become a takeout. Only business even with a much smaller staff. Smith is serious about safety. She requires her workers to get tested if they go on vacation with people outside their bubble or if they're showing any sign of illness. I believe in civil liberties and all those different things but you know we have people who lived with their parents. We have people who live with a husband who has diabetes. The staff have to be healthy and safe before you can move forward. She says you know four vaccinated move out in the world and be responsible for these twenty eight or thirty people plus all the people coming in now. If you're wondering. Can she actually do this. Can she require her workers to get vaccinated answer appears to be yes but her workers also have the right to request exemptions under federal law. Someone could say. I have a medical or religious reasons. I can't be vaccinated and companies must try to provide accommodations. It's incredibly hard to manage. A mandate johnny taylor. Junior is president of the society for human resource management. He says each requests must be evaluated on its own merit now. Imagine if there were hundreds of them. A recent poll found four in ten americans. Don't want the vaccine though that polling was done before anyone knew how well the vaccines would work so. This is a true headache for hr professionals. That's why you're likely to see. Many companies strongly encourage the vaccine but stops short of mandating. It take for example. The pork producer smithfield the company told. Npr they're not anticipating a firm mandate but they want to offer the vaccine onsite even with all the headaches. Taylor things many employers will go for the mandate after all they have an obligation to get rid of any known hazards in the workplace like cova. It's real and it's devastating. So i think that dynamic changes employers are actually going to position this as i need to do this full stop. Now there are some workplaces that already mandate the flu vaccine most commonly hospitals. Dr james mcdevitt is dean of clinical affairs at baylor college of medicine in houston. He says the annual flu shot is required for some fourteen thousand people. Doctors nurses med students clerks. That are sitting in a computer. That don't see visions. It's the right thing to do for society. He says if you claim exemption you have to wear a mask now with the covid vaccine baylor is not going to make it mandatory until they can actually get enough supply to cover everyone and until it's been deemed safe not just by the fda mcdevitt says but by his own colleagues johnny taylor. Junior says whatever companies decide there are likely to be challenges and so congress and state legislators are going to have to think about how to offer some protection on both sides legal protection for companies that mandate the vaccine in case. Someone has a bad reaction even though you will have to sign a waiver before you get the shot. They also got to protect the employers. Who decided not to make it a mandate and then who were sued by employees contract. It taylor has been meeting with federal employment officials telling them employers want to do the right thing but they're in a tough spot and they're going to need help getting through this. Npr's andrea shoe. It's consider this from npr. I'm audie cornish. And i'm rachel courteous from dc assed and i'm jonathan wilson from wmu. The dc council voted on a number of progressive legislative issues yesterday focused on criminal justice business and ways to reduce poverty. Here's bill sponsor elissa silverman. Poverty rate is the anacostia river is two and a half times the overall rate for the city. It's consider this from npr. And w amu dc will create a nineteen member commission on poverty after the council unanimously voted in favor of studying factors related to poverty in the district poverty in the us is measured by comparing an individual or household income to the poverty threshold. Which is determined using data collected by the us census bureau so for example the poverty threshold for a household of four with two related. Children is just over twenty five thousand dollars in annual income. Wmu's jonquil in hill reports than thirteen percent of dc residents live in poverty with higher poverty levels in wards seven and eight. It was a busy day for the dc council as it wraps up legislative issues for this term it also gave initial approval of a measure that would allow people convicted of a violent crime before the age of twenty five to petition for early release after they served fifteen years in prison. It's called the second look amendment act and it will still need a final council. Vote later this month before going to the desk of mayor. Muriel bowser now rachel back in two thousand sixteen. The council approved the incarceration reduction amendment. Act that apply to people with felony convictions incarcerated before the age of eighteen years old the second look amendment build on that existing legislation in federal prosecutors and the dc police department. Don't like this new proposal. They say it reintroduces violent offenders to the public sooner than expected and puts people at risk. They've been outspoken about their concerns. The official dc police twitter account even took the unusual step of attacking council member charles allen by name but of course supporters say this would help rehabilitation efforts they do and in a year where jurisdictions across the country are trying to reckon with how to present history and reconsidering names statues and more. The council gave initial approval on a couple of other measures. One would rename lafayette recreation center in lafayette park in chevy chase to honor george pointer in one thousand nine year old former enslaved person who purchased his freedom the other would allow members of to native american tribes to obtain free fishing licenses in dc and finally one of the big changes in dc would affect the way restaurants and shops are allowed to do business. Yeah jonathan it's an effort to cancel cashless consumption outgoing council member. David grasso has been trying for years to prevent businesses from going cashless. He says it walls off people without bank accounts. Some business owners say they prefer cashless payments because it puts them at lower risk of robbery but the pandemic offers an interesting wrinkle at a time where some people are afraid of exchanging money hand to hand. And that's part of why this legislation wouldn't go into effect until after the pandemic ends in the early and mid twentieth century. A group called the foggy bottom gang made headlines in dc they started off as bootleggers and used their profits to fund an illegal gambling venture. They faced off against other organized crime groups and the justice system a new book chronicles the gangs origins and activities. And i spoke with the author leah warring all about soggy bottom is an affluent part of dc newness. The location of the state department and the kennedy center west neighborhood used to be one of the city's major industrial outposts in it also housed most of the laborers who worked there often in crowded alleys. It was here worrying. Says that three brothers began their sent to the top of. Dc's underworld leo trolley. Who's went by rags mostly and They dealt primarily. I illegal booze and then Illegal betting specifically numbers the label. The foggy bottom gang seems to be. I given by the washington post to the group in the mid nineteen thirties. After memo's the gang were shooting up on capitol hill. The author is close to the subjects of the book. Charlie one of the leaders of the foggy bottom gang is his father. The others are his uncles. The author says he knew from a young age that his dad was involved in betting but didn't quite know the extent of his illegal activities. I was told that if anybody asks me like at school or whatever teacher what my father did of the patent answer would be. He's in a barrel business. And the family did have a barrel business under the white hairs freeway with the name warring on so that would seem to be a credible answer but around. I don't know maybe it was a teenager. I was looking at my parents bid for something. And i came across this collection of newspaper articles that have been cut out and In it was it was the chronicle gang-land activities the group that was kind of new to me and so much shopping shocking at the time worrying. Chronicles the story in his new book. The foggy bottom gang the story of the warring brothers of washington mark purpose writing was not to recast them as saints just human. Thanks for joining us for. Consider this from npr. Listen again next time. We'll make sense of the major stories happening in the washington region and elsewhere in your world. I'm rachel courteous. And jonathan wilson.