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Dennis Lloyd Martin
"The July Sun rose over the Great Smoky Mountains National Park? The beams of light illuminated more than half a million acres of trees. Underbrush an animals. The mountain is part that straddle the border between Tennessee and North Carolina was teeming with life. Don had barely broken and the forest was already inundated with more than a thousand people. They weren't the usual scores of tourists and campers who visited on a daily basis. Now in the summer of nineteen sixty nine. These people were on a mission to find a missing child. Dennis Lloyd Martin. They combed the wilderness and slowly pushed their way through the brush. The Hot Summer Sun beat down on them as they looked for any sign of the lost boy. They'd been searching for days. They were growing desperate suddenly. A cry rose out. The searchers turned their heads was that him was their search finally done. They hurried through the brush to catch up to a member of their party. Who stood looking at the ground? He'd found the first piece of evidence in weeks a series of footprints clearly visible in the underbrush the same size as the missing boys reinvigorated. The searchers followed the trail to the banks of a nearby stream where it stopped. The dead end was the perfect metaphor for a hunt that would stymie investigators and the park service for decades. No matter what clues they uncovered or tips. They heard the search team would never find poor young Dennis. Welcome to gone a podcast original. I'm molly and I'm Richard. Every other Monday we examined mysterious disappearances and the theories they spawned from the Amber Room to Michael Rockefeller Picasso paintings to the trust language the roanoke colony to the lost Russian cosmonauts. If it's gone we're looking for it. You can find all episodes of gone and all other podcast originals for free on spotify over. Ever you listen to podcasts to stream gone for Freon spotify just open the APP and type gone in the search bar at par cast. We're grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network today? Were exploring the disappearance of Dennis. Lloyd Martin a six year old. Who went missing on a camping trip in nineteen sixty nine? He was only out of his parents eyesight for a few minutes before they noticed he was gone. But that was long enough to vanish without a trace. The abrupt and inexplicable disappearance has led some to suspect nefarious forces where play on June fourteenth nineteen. Sixty-nine the Martin family from Knoxville Tennessee suffered every parent's worst fear losing a child during a camping trip. Their son Dennis leftist father's side ever so briefly but in a matter of minutes he was gone and extensive search was swiftly launched more than a thousand Park Rangers Boy Scouts Soldiers Emergency Service workers and even volunteers combed the area for months. In spite of all their efforts. No trace of Dennis was ever found some believe Dennis was kidnapped by a Predator looking in the woods. Others thought that more mysterious forces were at work. Some have claimed Dennis might have been the victim of bigfoot attack. Even more troubling some have suspected the government may dennis disappear then covered it up but nobody was debating conspiracy theories on father's Day weekend nineteen sixty-nine just like most families the Martins had a holiday tradition. The men always went on a long hike in the smokey Mountain National Park. They're favored three point. Three Mile loop took the whole weekend. Trekking through creeks fields and even part of the Appalachian trail. It was the first year six year old. Dennis would becoming on the trip. He joined his DAD BILL HIS GRANDFATHER. Clyde and his nine year old brother Doug according to his family. Dennis was quiet but it was still very energetic. He took his enthusiasm with him wherever he went. Including the hike starting point cades cove and even though he was young he was able to keep up with the ambitious pace on the first day. They conquered an impressive six miles that night. They camped at a landmark known as the Russell field shelter. It was as simple stone hut but it provided a roof and protection from the elements. The family woke up the next day and got back on the trail the ever enthusiastic. Dennis strode at the front of the group setting the pace for the rest of his family. The four Martins had to cover two point seven miles to reach their next stop spence field. This was a grassy clearing on the border between Tennessee and North Carolina. Along the way the Martin's ran into another family. Walking along the same route coincidentally their last name was also Martin Carter Martin and his two sons were from Alabama. It seemed serendipitous. Carter's boys were about the same age as Denis's brother Doug. The kids all got along as they continued hiking around four o'clock in the afternoon the adults called a halt and they all sat down to rest near Spence field. The dagon Dennis continued to play with the two other boys. They read off and out of earshot from the adults hatched a scheme. The mischievous kids wanted to play a little prank when the hike resumed. They'd split up hide in the woods and jump out surprising their parents doug and the two older boys would go off in one direction and Dennis would have the other way it would be a fun way to keep their parents on their toes from their seats at the other end of the field the adults could immediately tell what their kids were planning after all they knew their sense of humor but in the spirit of good natured fun they let the boys go ahead with their plan at four thirty pm the group got up to leave and the kids ran off setting their prank into motion as the adult started down the trail. The first group of boys only hid for a few moments in no time at all. They leaped out of the woods. Xiaoning Boo the. Grownups pretended to be surprised laughing at their Wiley children. However it wasn't long before they realized something was wrong. Dennis was nowhere to be seen his father bill and grandfather Clyde didn't panic. The boy had only been out of sight for about three minutes. He couldn't have gone far. He was also wearing a bright red t shirt so he'd be easy to spot amongst the foliage unconcerned began calling his name. The ever present wind at spins field carried. Their unanswered shouts far and wide but didn't offer response as the minutes past. They grew more worried. The adults decided to split up and search the surrounding area. Bill hurried along the path calling his son's name to no avail a mile down. The trail. Bill decided Dennis couldn't possibly have made it this far after all bill was fit adult spurred by fear and adrenaline. Dennis was only six. He couldn't have gone a full mile in the half hour. They'd been searching empty-handed. Bill retraced his steps back to the others when they reunited the group told him that they hadn't found Dennis either. Bills Breath quickened. He turned around and went West Toward Russell field shelter. Where they'd last camped. Maybe Dennis had gotten lost and hiked in the wrong direction. Bill scoured the two and a half mile trail when the search proved fruitless. The determined father returned to spence field to keep looking. Meanwhile Clyde Martin searched the entire seven Mile Path back to cades cove with a family had set out the day before it was absolutely no sign of Dennis when Clyde reached the trail head. He notified the Park Rangers of his grandsons. Disappearance with the Rangers help the family canvas the area surrounding the trail on foot and in jeeps they searched every possible place. They thought he could be increasingly distraught. They pulled aside every hiker and fishermen they encountered asking if they'd come across Dennis. No one had seen the missing boy by that time. Dennis had been gone for nearly four hours and it was starting to get dark. Bill told the Rangers that Dennis was quiet so he wouldn't necessarily cry out for help however he was friendly and would respond if strangers called his name. The Rangers and family members continued searching but as night fell and new obstacle appeared a storm torrential rain and bolts of lightening rage. That night almost as if specifically cute to interrupt the search. The ground became muddy and difficult to traverse nearby. Streams overflowed the already difficult task of finding a child in the woods was now seemingly impossible. Nevertheless the group continued their hunt. Throughout the night they wouldn't let darkness floods screaming rain and booming thunders stand in their way as the rain continued to pour. Bill grew more desperate. His boy was out here. Somewhere was cold and probably lost or injured. They were all doing the best they could but the efforts felt utterly hopeless and every hour that passed made it less likely. They'd finding Dennis Alive when we return the hunt for Dennis. Lloyd Martin grows and now back to the story. Sometimes a harmless prank turns tragic. That's what happened on June fourteenth nineteen sixty nine when six year old. Dennis Lloyd Martin disappeared. He'd intended to surprise as family by jumping out of the woods with the other kids on a father's day camping trip but he never popped out from the trees. The Martin family quickly began to search coming through the grand smoky. Mountains National Park on the border of Tennessee and North Carolina in spite of terrible weather conditions. The National Park Service swiftly organized a massive search and rescue operation by the next morning chief ranger lease sneddon had a plan. He contacted several groups including the park staff and several volunteer organizations. They were all instructed to be on site by five. Am as dawn broke on Sunday. June fifteenth nineteen sixty. Nine the Organiz search for Dennis Lloyd. Martin was about to begin but the team was unsure of where to start about. Two and a half inches of rain had fallen the night before any tracks. Dennis may have left. Had certainly been washed away. Sneddon decided that they should begin. With the areas. Known as drainage is basically natural gutters where stormwater washed away. He wanted to see if the rain had swept Dennis away. Well a few rescue workers check the drainage is the rest of the search party canvass the area. They had more volunteers and better equipment than the Martin family did so they were optimistic. They'd find a soon. Sneddon had helicopters fly equipment to spence field which became their basecamp. Rangers examined the various trails in the area of the nearby paths. Only one hadn't been investigated the previous day so arranger was rapidly dispatched to search it in the midst of all the commotion. Dennis's mother violet. Martin joined the hunt for her son. Her heart was in her mouth as she saw the dozens of people all pulling together to rescue her. It was encouraging to see how many people cared but the clock was ticking and she feared they were running out of time. She wasn't alone in her worries as the Rangers called for more volunteers. Local news stations caught wind of the story. They sent out bulletins to amplify the simple terrifying message. A six year old boy was missing. Send help the call was widely received the assistance they'd requested soon arrived in droves. Everyone from local firefighters to boy scouts showed up all determined to put the Martin's nightmare to an end. The rescue team flew helicopters overhead scouring the area from an aerial perspective. Gps crisscrossed mountain trails and campgrounds. Volunteers tramp through the woods on foot. The Park Rangers even contacted a United States Special Forces unit. That was stationed in the area. The commanding officer Colonel Howard Kinney ordered forty soldiers to join the hunt bill. Violet Martin took comfort in the ever-growing hunt for their little boy. The number of volunteers was ballooning wildly. Surely they find something soon. But by the end of the first day they hadn't uncovered a shred of evidence all the additional eyes and ears hadn't seemed to accomplish anything. The Martin's spark of hope began to turn into dread even with all of their resources at their disposal. Their search team didn't find their first clue until the fourth day on Tuesday June seventeenth of volunteer search parties spotted a small set of footprints about the size. A six year old would leave. The trail vanished into a stream. One of the prince was barefoot and the other left by shoe when he'd gone missing. Dennis had been wearing Oxford's but the team couldn't tell if the print matched that of an Oxford or a more generic sneaker. The volunteers hastily reported their findings hoping that the more seasoned professionals could take over but their hopes it turned out were for nothing the green berets. Who are assisting with the search. Said they'd already been through that area. They argued that the prince had likely been left by the boy scouts who are accompanying the search parties but none of the boy scouts were barefoot and there was only one set of tracks while the scouts were traveling in groups. Some of the searchers thought they should keep looking near the footprints but they couldn't find any other sign of Dennis with this potential lead ruled a dead end. The search teams abandoned. That clue an looked elsewhere on June twentieth. Nineteen Sixty Nine. Dennis's seventh birthday passed with no sign of him. The rescuers were getting discouraged. That Day sneddon gave his team new instructions procedures to follow if they found Dennis dead. Dennis had been gone too long and there was no sign that he was still alive. No one could say what had happened to him. But the prevailing theory was that he'd gotten lost and was killed by wild animals after all the park was home to boars bears and other creatures that could make quick work of his small child moreover it would explain how he disappeared so quickly. Predators are expert at stalking and striking in silence. If Dennis had stumbled upon a hungry bear or Mountain Lion. He wouldn't have stood a chance in light of this possibility. The park Rangers adjusted their tactics. Every piece of animals Scott they found within the vicinity was scoured for human remains. But once again there was no sign of Dennis but not everyone had given up. Hope of finding him alive. Many so-called psychics called the National Park Service to offer tips several reported visions and dreams of finding Dennis. One of these mediums was Jean Dixon of Washington. Dc who alleged she previously predicted the assassination of John F Kennedy while no one was able to verify her claims. She still liked to weigh in on well-publicized mysteries when she called the National Park Service. Dixon said that she'd had a vision. Dennis still breathing. The search party would find the lost boy a waterfall. The searchers investigated the dubious lead in the hope. It could lead to something. And fortunately for the Martin's it didn't others. Psychics kept calling in or even showing up at the park but they only provided marginal insight for instance one medium claimed that the searchers should stop looking at the ground and instead look in the trees. The Rangers didn't find any of these tips helpful but bill violent Martin insisted they. At least here's amount. Surely any lead was better than nothing at all and since the parents were taking them seriously the authorities did as well. Every lead was another spark of hope. They'd kept the family optimistic but none yielded any results. At least not until the second week of the search on June twenty-fourth young boy was spotted on a trail by some hikers. He was in a bright red t shirts and green shorts. Just like what? Dennis had been wearing when he disappeared. The park service leapt into action. Maybe Dennis was alive and well after all but after a short investigation they determined. This was another young boy out on the hike with his own parents as the disappointments in red herrings kept mounting motivation waned on June twenty-first fourteen hundred ball in tears participated in the search by June. Twenty six that number had dwindled to sixty eight three days. Later on June twenty-ninth the formal search finally came to an end while some volunteers chose to stick around. The Rangers packed up their base at Spence field and the bulk of the search party was sent home. Dennis's family didn't give up hope though under advice from the FBI. They posted a five thousand dollar reward for any information that would lead to their son's safe return. A small search persisted for months Rangers. Continue to investigate every tip or a potential clue. Maybe something had alluded the thousands of volunteers but as the summer ended so did any hope of finding the boy with heavy hearts. The Rangers finally closed the case in September nineteen. Sixty-nine the hunt for Dennis. Lloyd Martin head involved more than fifty agencies and cost an estimated two hundred ninety thousand dollars worth roughly two million dollars today but although the search was over the mystery endured since Dennis's disappearance rumors and theories of cropped up all trying to explain what happened to the boy some like the Martin's insisted that Dennis had survived somehow. His parents founded to think about that. Their child could die without them knowing instead. Bill and violet began to argue that their son had been kidnapped. The FBI investigated throughout the summer of Nineteen. Sixty-nine they made inquiries in the Great Smoky Mountains area then in July. A man named Harold Key from Carthage Tennessee contacted the National Park Service with a major tip. He claimed he and his family were camping in the park. On the same day the Dennis went missing and they saw something suspicious as they set off for their trek they noticed only a few other cars in the parking lot including a white Chevrolet. Hopefully this meant there wouldn't be too many people on the trail. Sure enough key and his family found the woods quiet and peaceful at least at first then. They heard a blood curdling scream from the trees. It sounded like a child keys sprinted in the direction the cry had come from often the distance. He barely caught a glimpse of a tall unkempt man moving through the underbrush. The man looked like he was trying to hide. He ducked down low hunching behind plants and bushes but although key didn't get a good look at the man he could tell. There was something slung over his shoulder. Something about the size of a small child key didn't confront the man. It seemed too risky after all. He was with his family but he waited for what felt like a safe amount of time then walked over to where the man had been. He found a crude map on the ground. But no other sign of what he'd been up to. It was definitely an unnerving experience but odd things happened in these woods. All the time key shrugged the encounter off and tried to put it behind him when they finally made it back from the hike. The White Chevy in the parking lot was gone key. Claimed he initially thought the figure was a moon shiner or someone smuggling and after all the Martin's hadn't reported their son missing yet so he couldn't imagine what else the strange figure had been hiding. It was only later when he heard the story of Dennis Martin. The key began to suspect something more nefarious. The Rangers took this report seriously. But it didn't quite fit with the events as they understood them. The suspicious citing had occurred six miles away from where the Martin's lost their son. There were no trails connecting the two locations so if someone had traveled those six miles he would have had to do so cross. Country on top of that key. Couldn't remember what time his family had encountered the suspicious figure so the investigators couldn't establish a clear timeline or reconcile it with Dennis's possible movements and worse still the area where Herald keys spotted. The mystery man had already been picked clean by search parties. Any clues that may have been left. There were either already found or inadvertently destroyed. Nevertheless the Rangers couldn't rule out keys testimony entirely. Especially because the timeline was so fuzzy and impossible to disprove they relate his report to the FBI but the bureau didn't have enough evidence to conduct a full scale investigation with no information apart from a compelling story. The team deemed it an unrelated incident yet. This wouldn't be the last time the FBI received a tip related to kidnapping nearly a year later. In July nineteen seventy chief wells of the Greenville Tennessee. Police Department received an unexpected phone call. It was an anonymous tip from a woman who claimed she'd seen something related to Dennis. Lloyd Martin. She'd seen a child poking his head out of the window of a car. The anonymous woman said this happened in the Martin's home town of Knoxville. Only fifty minutes north of the park and there was another kid in the car with him. The car was driven by a balding man who looked to be between thirty eight to forty five years of age. The vehicle had Tennessee license plates but the caller couldn't remember the number. She didn't know the or model of the car either but she did mention that it was white white just like the. Chevy the key had seen. Unfortunately the report gave the police practically nothing to work off of the chief passed the information onto the national park service but the tip didn't go any further. The kidnapping investigation never developed beyond a handful of questionable reports and speculation. But it does make some sense. A kidnapping could explain the lack of evidence that a six year old would otherwise leave had been lost in the woods but the biggest problem is the timeframe. Dennis had only been out of sight for three to five minutes before the adults noticed he was gone and abductor would need to have nearly superhuman precision to strike within such a tight window after all he didn't snatch Dennis from a crowded public place. The boy went missing from a remote trail. Far from civilization. This theory would require kidnapper to just happen to be in precisely the right place at exactly the right time to grab Dennis and run. That possibility seems incredibly unlikely. But even if Dennis wasn't kidnapped his disappearance was still highly suspicious to this day. It's hard to explain how he slipped away from his family in a matter of minutes or how he avoided leaving a shred of evidence that leads some to wonder if someone intentionally hid the truth about Dennis someone or something like a secret government program up next we'll explore whether clandestine military operation may Dennis Lloyd Martin Disappear now back to the story six year old. Dennis Lloyd Martin Vanished Une June fourteenth in sixty nine in the great smoky. Mountains National Park. Even after the most hunt in the park's history no trace of him was found over fifty years later. People still don't know what happened. Something he was eaten by a bear others believe he could have been kidnapped and still others. Think that there's something more conspiratorial at play. Dentists disappearance became a sensation in two thousand twelve when retired police inspector and bigfoot truth is David Politis published his book missing. Four one one. This work detailed the stories of people who'd seemingly vanished including Dennis Politis highlighted the peculiar fact that special forces were dispatched for the hunt. The official story is that the Green Berets were coincidentally training in the mountains at the time after a request from the Rangers there. Colonel dispatched forty men to aid in the search but Politis argued there was no reason for the US army to become involved with a search for civilian child unless this will something bigger than a normal disappearance as further evidence that something nefarious was going on. He cited an interview with retired. Great Smoky Mountains Park Ranger. Dwight mccarter mccarter stated. The Special Forces members were distant and uncommunicative. It was like they were keeping something from the other volunteers. Maybe they even had goals that. Were at odds with the larger search efforts in addition in missing for one one. Politis reported that the special forces rescuers were armed with machine-guns made no sense. Why would they need weapons to search for Missing Child? What were they expecting to find? And why wouldn't they discuss? Whatever was really going on. Politis suggested that there was something in those woods that the government had to keep secret. The Green Berets weren't really looking for Dennis. They were destroying incriminating evidence. He's less clear about what secret? The Green Berets were trying to hide. It could have been in Cold War military operation or it could have been bigfoot. Police didn't seem to have any specific theory. Just something suspicious was going on. That vagueness makes difficult to assess. But what really dooms that? Theory of a government conspiracy is Politis himself. Many of the claims in his book were factually inaccurate. For example he argued that search dogs had refused to for the boy. This wasn't true. The official Park report said they didn't even have dog scouring the area they knew it would be too difficult to follow a scent after a rainstorm. Moreover his assertion that rescuers were carrying machine guns was false. The Green Berets were either unarmed. Or had their standard issue sidearms on them but is still reached. An audience in his book sparked countless online conspiracy theories something about his arguments. Head struck a nerve. The disappearance of Dennis Martin was so confusing so tragic so frustrating that people had to craft some story to make sense of a senseless event over the years. Many have come forward with potential solutions. The case in one thousand nine hundred eighty five. A ginseng Hunter reported that he'd found a child sized skeleton under a tree years before thirty. Men searched the location he reference but found nothing however by the time they carried out. The sweep weather and animals could have had more than enough time to destroy the remains. This tip proved to just be another dead end with no solid breaks. All we have left are guesses and the National Park Service. Sticks to the likeliest story that Dennis Martin's simply got lost then. He was alone without shelter when a vicious storm struck. It's likely that Dennis Lloyd Martin passed away from Hypothermia. After all the temperature drops steeply that first night in the torrential rain. The poor boy's clothes would have been soaked in frigid water. He wouldn't have been able to keep his footing in the slippery muddy darkness. The idea of this wet cold child. Dying alone in the wilderness is a horrible thought but even more unpleasant is what became. Dennis's body it could easily have been washed down river or buried in the mud. We can only guess as to what wild animals might have done to it. In the subsequent days now fifty years later there's too much topsoil for even the remains of his remains to be found and nature wasn't the only factor that destroyed evidence at its peak the hunt for Dennis involved fourteen hundred people with varying levels of training background and experience. After they spent two weeks canvassing the area all the clues could easily have been trampled or destroyed if the search had been smaller and more focused. They could've avoided sloppy mistakes. For instance there would be less ambiguity around the child's footprints leading into the stream instead the what if S- remained for years after Dennis went missing his father. Bill Martin passed away in two thousand fourteen. He never learned what became of his lost boy. And it's almost certain no one ever well but this tale of tragic loss does have a silver lining. The search for Dennis Martin ended so anti-climactic -ly it weighed heavily on the park. Service's collective conscience. It's burdensome them to re evaluate how they handled missing persons cases back in nineteen sixty nine the customary way to conduct a search wis to throw volunteers into the area. They play the numbers game until eventually someone found something since the Dennis Martin case this method is no longer considered. Reliable teams are trained to focus on looking for clues first before searching for the missing person. The Rangers describe it as working smarter rather than harder and importantly they know not to flood the scene with hundreds of good hearted people who might not have the experience to pick up a trail after half a century. Dennis Lloyd Martin is presumed dead but his legacy is a positive one. His story has helped other loss. Children find their parents though. Kids still get lost in the woods. Trained professionals are better at making sure. They don't stay that way and reunited families can thank Dennis and the lessons. The National Park Service learned from him for their happy endings. Thanks again for tuning in to gone. We'll be back next week with a short gone by it on spotify and back everywhere else the week after you can find more episodes of gone and all other parkas originals for free on spotify not only does spotify already. Have all of your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy. All of your favorite podcast originals. 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Pigeon Forge, TN
"How about a family vacation filled with Adventure entertainment? And one of the cons Scenic views from thrill rides to shows to shopping delicious food Pigeon Forge Tennessee truly has something to offer the entire family Leon Downing executive director of the Pigeon Forge Department of Tourism stops by on episode 26 of the family vacationer and it starts right now. Go to the family vacationer with Rob and Danny with Bill to podcasts for families on the Move. Hey friends, I'm Rob and I'm Danny and this is episode 26 at the family vacationer. We invite you to subscribe to the podcast. So you don't miss an episode also, make sure and visit the family vacation or. Live and sign up for our newsletter. So you can get travel deals and important information on traveling during a unpredictable times 8 today's episode is going to be jam-packed with information Pigeon Forge has so much to offer one of the things that stands out about this area is the good mix of indoor versus outdoor activity and another standout as the variety of accommodations from Shelly's in the mountains to Resorts with indoor water parks and families are guaranteed to find a place to stay that suits their needs and that's true and one of the cool things about it is for every it hits every price point. So if you want economical, they got it if you want luxury they've got that as well. So I know my family we used to travel up just about every month. Winter and we one of the best vacations that we ever had we were up in a cabin in the mountains lost power and we played we played board games all night by candle. So good memories. It's a fun thing. Absolutely. Absolutely and and again breakfast in Pigeon Forge is the coolest thing ever. Like I could eat. I think every time we go up I think I do eat breakfast three meals at home. So, you know, it's it's interesting. I'm not it's not a place that I you know want to go all the time, but I do have to say the fall is my favorite time of year. And when you had up here and you see Forest solid yellow leaves, it is absolutely amazing. And you know before my dad passed away, we they like to go up there once a year. We take the whole family. We stay in a hotel had its own pool. We just made so many great memories up there. It was really good time to think back on. Yeah, and there's so many hiking trails up there again and in the south Era of covid-19 want to get away from people? Yeah. It's a great stop. So joining us today to talk about Pigeon Forge is Leon Downey Leon served as executive director of the Pigeon Forge Department of Tourism for an impressive thirty years Leon's previous stops include serving as executive director of The Oak Ridge convention and visitors bureau as tourism development manager with the Knoxville Convention and Visitor's Bureau, marketing manager for the Blount County Chamber of Commerce and smoke Smoky Mountain Visitors Bureau. He's a graduate of the University of Tennessee and a proud veteran of the United States Army, but Lian, thanks for being on the show welcome. I appreciate the oil changes share with your followers. Solely on what makes Pigeon Forge in the Smoky Mountains a place that family should consider when they're scheduling their family vacations great question Danny. We're basically our home only you're a tourism destination the family tourism destination. So when people are here they're here on vacation. So consequently, it's very easy for us to do research and we're constantly asking are guess what they don't like what they don't like what they want to see more of what they don't want to see more of and then number one thing and the 32 years that I've been here. They say every year is the scenic beauty of the Great Smoky Mountains. Number one and number two is always the variety of attractions at Pigeon Forge offers them. So those two things together, I think our primary reason that people come here and that's why our guests tell us every year. It's the same thing over and over and over again, right? Well Leon as a travel agent the biggest questions I get from families are always the same questions there where to stay what is there to do and most importantly, you know wage. To eat and I know yes Pigeon Forge, especially breakfast. I don't want to I don't want to make the other meals jealous, but breakfast in Pigeon Forge is something special. So can you talk a little bit about you know, where to stay off? What there is all the things to do. We could probably do entire podcast on what there is to do in Pigeon Forge, but just kind of Hit the highlights. They're sure well, it's where despite we have over fourteen thousand five hundred ninety-two loging into Center City. We have a deal over 84 hotel rooms over 2,900 cabins over 2000 campsites over a thousand condos. So there's all sorts of places for people to stay in the think that a lot of people makes this destination different is that 2900 cabins? A lot of people when they think about coming to the Smoky Mountains Thursday rather than stay in a hotel they want to stay in a cabin in the mountains. So, oh yeah. Those are very popular right now this with this code thing going on are having drills in our catalog. Phones are stay in the hundred percent occupied all of them because people can sufficiently distance that way. So there's plenty of everything's on, you know, a budget property to luxury properties and think I noticed in the office today that dream more Resort. Yes. Yes one of you yes, sir. And so that's that Resort I think has been there five or six years and they were planning before the covid-19 hit this year to have another hotel announce another hotel and that will come back so in and you've been in the hotel, so when people ask me about it I said it's typical Dolly. Yes God it is. So yeah. There's a thing that makes us really successful I think is because we have America's most visited national park seven miles down. The road from is Great Smoky Mountain National Park them over twelve million visitors there last year and the tire time that I've been in the tourism business here in East Tennessee. He's forty-two years Great Smoky Mountains National Park is always the most visited Rome. Say last year, he got nipped over 12. The thing that makes that Park really go is if there's no commission charge it's one of fourteen national parks and Department actual system that has no admission charge. So free attractions signal and at this time of that we're experiencing right now people want to be outdoors be away from other people that Park is huge. It has over five hundred fifty thousand acres of space in it half of the park is in Tennessee after the park is in North Carolina. So there's over 800 miles of hiking trails in the park over twenty nine hundred miles of streams in the park. So plenty of places to get away and get away from people if you'd like to do that so that having that in our backyard look out and see that everyday when you're here plus the variety of attractions really have the best of both worlds and I have shopping is still a big thing in Pigeon Forge. My wife loves. There's a Christmas store forgive me. I can't remember the name of it and I couldn't find it online credible. Yes dead. Oh my gosh, she we cannot go up there without going to that store near a lot of years and didn't very successful not if you've not been here in a few years that digs family owns The Inn at Christmas Place of birth. The antique Christmas flies right across the street from it and it's it has a hundred sixty three rooms in every room in and sleeping room in it has a Christmas tree and it decorated 365 days a year. They have Santa Claus Atkins and things to the kids and write letters to Santa Claus and it's women love Christmas primarily and off and I did I told a story the other day and that hotel first opened. I had a travel writer from Southern Living here to experience physical work and we put her at that hotel and throughout the forget if that night and asked her. How was that what you think of the hotel in the first words out of her mouth were oh my God that did what what it is dead. Makes family looked at all these different brands of Hotel Beds and they chose to have a separate bed made in Morristown, Tennessee there a hotel fare. So a lot of guests that stay there will end up wage is so comfortable that they end up buying that bed from so it's a really unique hotel and their occupancy and average data rates are off the charts. Okay. I just gotta say I don't know about you, but I'm one of those people that Christmas is the best time of year and for me to be, you know, seeing a Christmas tree when it's not Christmas that might be a little tough for me, but I know there's some people that just they won't Christmas all year long exactly get enough of it. So that sounds great. Exactly. Yeah. There's actually the general manager told me a couple of years ago that had been opened maybe four years or so that they had one family that was from sixty miles away that it stayed in the same room 35 times instead of trash. 3507 an antique Christmas Place was their room and they come so repeatedly that when they run them come in the front door the front desk staff knows them by now. They know them that happens quite often here. To be honest with you. It's a a lot of our guests that come here come repeatedly I researched says and he sees the year at least eighty percent of the people who come here are repeat guest right what I'm looking to five times a year and they don't stay for the time normally, but if they come multiple times a year, it's good as a weekly vacation. And the reason they do that is because the town changes seasonally and because there's always something new and down to do here every year Well you bring up Christmas. I know, you know, we talked before we started recording but we used to come up there every winter and Christmas and that area is just there's just something special about it off and we started a program together with our sister cities and Gatlinburg and Sevierville. Thirty-One years ago be disciplined this November. I think it's 31 years cost Smoky Mountain Winterfest and the first name. He's agreed to put up Mentor major winter lighting displays to drive traffic to our cities because before Dollywood, I guess before I guess it was for 1989, They would close at the end of the year the largest attraction Sevier County and when the leaves fell off the tree, then this place was a ghost town. So we tried to figure out something we could do between the three cities to be encouraged people to come back. So with the three cities agreed to do winter lighting programs and then we went to Dollywood collectively to the largest attraction and from the market and said would you extend your season and they ought to do that usually instead of closing at the end of October they agreed to stay open February. And so that is really grown. That was the impetus that gave us the opportunity to grow the program having Dollywood. They put up now fifteen Million winner lights the three cities together put misspoke is 5 million megabytes. It's Hollywood and then dead. We have the three cities together feel like we have this many as fifteen mayor and winter light. So it's a winter wonderland and Dollywood's Smoky Mountain Christmas has gotten all kinds of awards over the phone because it's it really is a winter wonderland. There's other shows it absolutely is and and I know we're in the land of we're in the era of covid-19. Diving in the water. Then we have things like the Hatfield McCoy Dinner Show, it's Country Tonite Theatre. It's just there's always some sort of entertainment bring in the the leaders and it's a variety. It's not just country music there's gospel and you know everything else in between there, too. Excellent. And then finally, we got to talk about food and again breakfast and Pigeon Forge. Can you throw out some suggestions of some places to go for breakfast in Pigeon Forge? I know I've got some favorites but God, what is your what I mean first? Maybe you can you tell us it's not just me. I know breakfast and Pigeon Forge is something awesome. So yeah, it is give us a couple of places that we need to stop sure. We have ninety restaurants total in Pigeon Forge in about seventy of those are locally-owned restaurants that are not changed. The last time I looked we had eight Pancake House has changed more. They're only like I've been to all of them, I guess two or three years ago Paula Deen's opened her restaurant here from here in on the island in Pigeon Forge breakfast. There is amazing. It's my favorite meal that they do over there is breakfast at Paula Deen's and then you can't go wrong at the old meal with their breakfast in the morning. They're dead. Tell a story all the time when I first came here the Raytheon Corporation invited me to come to Johnson City Tennessee, which is about two hours north of us Interstate 81 to be in their break room to talk about what was new in Pigeon Forge because to me their employees will come down here for vacation. So how that happened the break room and it didn't take me 5 minutes to before I found out that those people knew as much about pigeon forge's I did and I had one couple that came out one mechanic came up to me and told me that he and his wife come to Pigeon Forge. He did The Old Mill Restaurant every other Sunday, I think. Oh my goodness. It's amazing. Yeah. Wow. Oh, yeah. They're the Fate. He's here just are great have great experiences here. There's a one example is a the Pottery House Cafe over at the Old Mill. This is Spencer fried green tomato BLT with that they put it's amazing. And then I've got a lot of people addicted to that said sandwiches guacamole really dead. Yeah, it's amazing and it's been to get her Benton's bacon it down Benton Tennessee. Yeah, it's it's the creme-de-la-creme of bacon. They put that on there. They said taste explosions had described and then another sandwich that I really like is we have a new restaurant here called the local if it's local goat New American Cafe and they have an Elvis Burger there that they have on the bottom with tomatoes and lettuce and then they put the patio and on top of that they put the fried bananas and peanut butter and it's a client's experience. Those are just things change people get addicted those things. That's interesting. I mean they say I'm crazy but I've got a lot of people eating that sandwich that one might be a bit much for me, but the fried green tomato sandwich that one sounds good. I might have to and then they have another Green Tomato that you don't the guacamole on they'll put pimento cheese on its wishes to Thursday. With bands making and it's only four hours away down. If we left now we can make it. Yeah, we well, let's talk a little more about Dollywood. I'm a huge Dolly Parton fact, I think she is so underrated people as a songwriter have no idea how many songs she's written for other people and exactly she's incredibly talented business woman and philanthropist and Thursday when we stayed at the dream where Hotel I was I was blown away at the quality of the hotel and even Dollywood. It had been a long time since I've been to Dollywood, but when you talk about valuing Dollywood is just it's amazing really what it's the largest attraction the in the state of the most ticketed attractions going to need to say the state of Tennessee. They have over three million guests a year on normal years. It's huge. It has over a hundred and fifty Acres thing that makes it successful in my opinion is the thirtieth two years that I've been here. There's never been a year of where Dollywood then have a new birth. The new ride new show a new section that's opened. And that makes it fresh. It's always something new and different they have world-class roller coasters over there often. They opened up the largest section. They've ever opened last year called Wildwood Grove is for some children not small children, but it's a whole section just for children children's rides. There's absolutely gorgeous. And the thing that I guess I like most about Bollywood. I love taking people there that have never been there before and thing that they always tell me is that I wish that had before because everything there is is out is natural. It's not man-made, you know, there's natural screams are you're in trees and walking in valleys and things like that. They've got like 45 different working craftspeople there most days. So it's Dolly likes to showcase the heritage of the Smokies through perhaps through music that has a really good job of that and I have to put in a month. Shout out to the cinnamon rolls not to keep talking about food, but the cinnamon rolls their whole wow. Oh my God, they're addictive aren't there was a long line and I'll tell you it was worth every second of staying, you know, and being in that line. Oh my God agree with you on that and taking over there to have their cinnamon rolls while ago you mentioned covid-19, you know, everybody's in a different state right. Now. I first want to say this in in this is kind of a plug for you guys because really good friend of mine was just up there and he said I went to a show and he didn't aim to show but I have my suspicions probably the Dixie Stampede but he talked about the very meticulous job that all of the employees did to keep everybody safe. It was very well-rehearsed. It was very well planned. He said he felt safe the entire time. Your time had a great time and there were tons of people there but everybody was safe. So I think that's a great it's kind of a shout out to the great job you guys are doing but how long have you adapted overall and what it restrictions might visitors expect when they come. All right. Now, we've appreciate you saying that Nanny. It's our business communities really worked hard. They've waited like Dollywood Francisco degree open that when they did on June 15th, they told me that they had to make seven hundred operational changes in their business operation and for every restaurant every theater ever right. Not all the right. None of the theaters are being held inside indoors theaters. Now, they're all outdoors and covered amphitheaters and things of that nature. So you have to have your temperature check before you go into Dollywood. I've asked you to wear masks they have mass free zones things like that cuz it's a huge part cuz you know, so it's easy not around people to take your mass down and things like that, but all of our businesses are making operational wage. Just to comply with it, but the governor in Tennessee governor Lee came out with a program called the Tennessee plates and it outlines what you can do to reopen and our businesses I think are doing excellent job for the most part and following that kind of thing and it's a new normal for our businesses and for our guests. We all right now, unfortunately, we're under a mask mandate when you're in public and through through our thoughts try to control the script fires. There's a lot of people don't like that but most of the places I've been most people are wearing them right now. So you always have to see where saying I'm not going to do that. Yeah, but it's part of I think we all have to be preaching travel responsibly. You know, we are we have an obligation to our guests to do the best we can to keep them safe, but they also have an obligation to do our employees. Absolutely. Yeah. That's something Danny and I talked about on last week's show just when I was in at the beach this month. I guess it's couple of weeks ago. Now it hit me, you know a new that you're visiting somebody else's home. And so the mindset needs to be you need to take care of the people that are there as wage. They're taking care of use your exactly right Rob. Yeah, and so, you know, it's moving past covid-19 forward to when this will be in the past because it will be will move forward with us about some of the iconic events and festivals that typically go on in the area. Like I say the Hollywood does a lot of festivals coming out September 25th through October 31st. They have their Smoky Mountain Harvest Fest, which is turned out to be a huge events with they have a gospel music component to that. They also have crashed Associated and then they start I guess three years ago program called pumpkin luminights with just blew the roof off. They put probably five thousand or more surprised boys. Now, I can't remember the number of pumpkins throughout the park and they lied him at Birth. It's really cool. Wow, people think just the main it's been amazing how successful that program and then right on the heels of that. They have their wonderful Smoky Mountain Christmas and then opens on November 7th and runs through January 2nd of next year. Again, it's Christmas. There are Smoky Mountain Christmas is one all sorts of awards. I think more awards for spoke about Christmas than any other Bots theme park in the country as far as the principalship and then again again to put their lives it's it's spectacular. So what's some local information that that our listeners need to know about what's wrong with some of the inside scoop some something that the locals might know that our listeners might need to know about Pigeon Forge another good question. I like to tell people if they've not been here before then one of the best way to sort of get the lay of the land here at the ride the Pigeon Forge. Trolley. The trolley is a mass transit and it cost a dollar get on it and just take your family get on a ride the trial too through town. Text the park was only five miles on going to worry about traffic. Just see where everything is and get a visual feel for where where everything is there. It's a great way to get around to from your folks over 200 pops and say that you could do it a day pass a big lie pass or annual pass. The other thing I like to tell guess that have never been here before especially if they've never been to Great Smoky Mountains National Park system in real strongly that they stopped at The sugarlands Visitor Center, which is just as you enter the park there. It's an interpretive District Center where you have you see all the animals in the park home or in the fauna and you have the Rangers there that can and volunteers that can answer any questions if you want to go on a short. Hi, where can I go to get away from people are working I go with my feelings and thoughts on the street today when it's ninety something degrees outside those so those are two things right there right off the bat that are very difficult to get a job. For more information about Pigeon Forge. Be sure to visit my Pigeon Forge. Calmly on thank you so much for your time. We really appreciate you being on the show. Thank you guys. I appreciate the opportunity to share of ours. We appreciate it. But then we weren't kidding when we said Pigeon Forge has a lot to offer for families to see and do a neat where we oh, I know it really, you know, you know always talk about the food but may I tell you there's so much to choose from even some of the shows that serve food it's an amazing. Yep, and Dollywood is another fact. I'm just really Blown Away everyone that listens to the program knows that I'm a Disney guy, but when we were up at Dollywood, I was really Blown Away with the quality especially for the price that they charge. Yeah, I you can't beat it and Dolly does a really good job of bringing in the the history of the Smoky Mountains and into the park. So it's not just you know, it's not just rides but they do have rides they've dead. Crazy roller coasters there that you don't see any place else. Yeah. I'm going to go and confess. I have not been to Dollywood. I just my boo button. I know yes here it is dead. But my family has gone. Yeah, since I'm the guy that works in the family they get to go all these places but but you're not bitter. That's the important not bitter at all, but they've had nothing but good things to say about it. I really need to go and check it out, but I'm not far. It's a great place to go. Yeah and the dream more Resort again. I don't know what my expectations were going in that. It was fantastic. We we had one of the family suites where he had either I think you can either have a king bed or two queens and two bunk beds. And that was great, you know off the traveling circus. That is the Jones family. So yes, but we had a we spent a full day at the park came back in we were able to order pizza until they get you know, the kids were just they were blown away. So it's a little too cold for the pool, but the pool area there is fantastic as well. So I imagine in your family. You have two queen beds your kids all end up sleeping next to you in your life and they used the other one for jumping. Pretty much. Yeah, that's pretty much. I mean, it doesn't start out that way. But yeah by the end of the vacation. Yes, then that's just that's exactly the way it it turns out but yeah, you know another thing about Dollywood when I was up in Nashville and Opryland closed a lot of the people all of the singers that would go spend the summer at my gosh at I just said Opryland. I would go to Dollywood to be performers and you want to talk about some top-shelf performers and I know that still the case to this day. So the shows there, you know, even if they're not inside anymore inside-outside it didn't matter the quality of the shows going to blow people away. So and Leon mentioned the island too. That's a really cool area shops and restaurants and they've got a big ferris wheel. They've got a ropes course. They've got a Margaritaville hotel. That's a really cool Gathering Spot as well and then the shows ma'am. Just shows I remember working for a company that put on the production for the Lee Greenwood show that I don't think they're any longer. But man it was it was Top Shelf lighting off production, you know lights and whatnot. So and I know that quality is still there. So anything. All he does is going to be top show. That's true. Yeah. She just doesn't do anything second range. So now when's the last time you've been up there? It was two years ago two or three? Okay. What I'm wondering is the indoor skydiving play still there. I didn't look this up for the interview it I don't think it is. I don't think it was there the last time that we were there but again, there is so much to do in Pigeon Forge. There's no way a lot of people at least in in the office, you know, where we live will go up for a long weekend. I think during the wintertime especially but I mean you could easily spend a week there and still not do everything there is to do so, that's true. It's yeah. Ever-changing I think Leon mentioned at Dollywood. There's always a new ride open in there. Well, you could just about say the same thing about the city. There's always something new opening and you know, obviously covid-19 to change that a little bit but you know the spirit of Pigeon Forge, you know, I don't expect that'll change. So it's a fun place to visit. Have you been to Cades Cove? I have not a lot of people stop, you know where they're coming in or going out especially for coming down from South like like we do you go to Cades Cove and it's it's off the main road, but it tastes it's several miles due to drive to get to Kate scope but it's just really Scenic Drive. There's some old structures there. There's a lot of history there. You know, it's very common disease deer and you know Wildlife out there, but if if that's your kind of thing that might be something to consider when you're going to or leaving. Okay, I have to put it on the list for next time. Absolutely. Well that's going to do it for this episode of the family vacationer as always. If you need help planning your vacation, please drop me a line and our Jones at starstuff Travel. We will check back with you in a couple of weeks till then. Thank you for listening to the family vacation area make sure and subscribe to hear more of Rob and Danny.
January 2020: A Year in Review and Looking Forward
"Welcome to the encouragement ride. PODCAST brought to you. Live and direct with limited or four no commercial interruptions from our home and beautiful Gluck Stat Mississippi to wherever you find podcast with your hosts that quarter ton of riding hiding fun the sultans of cycling safety those braggadocious Behemoths Jimbo Rally and Kelvin Jones. Remember folks these two. We're a quarter of a ton so you don't have to take it away. Boys everybody walking to the encouragement ride. Podcast we are doing the first taping of Two Thousand Thousands Twenty Kelvin Jones Quarter Tuna Roddy Fund studios and collects that Mississippi and we got a we got a new partner in this. So I guess we're going to be now. Three quarter ton of Writing Fund. We got caught HAIRSTON. Calvin how has your year greetings and citations. My friend Yeah this is a been a been a nice year. We've actually been the weather's trying to cooperate with actually been trying to get some rides in during the winter months and staying being active in trying to stay up on our writing abilities and and you know what I got for Christmas I give up fat. That's what I got. I got that and what about you. How's everything with you? Go on good one good have been joined it because my son's getting involved and it's fun once you don't get excited about it and different types of running and stuff like that and he's really enjoyed it. Well let's talk about that. So how does your son. Chris is twelve twelve so I saw a lot of people who may be listening to the podcast. Maybe thinking you know what does the twelve year old do on a bicycle. But there's something that we have here in. Mississippi called Mississippi Blue's mountain biking team and how many how many twelve year olds are on there. It's great sixth through twelfth morally younger. Okay most of them are on because you can actually be high school age and be on the mountain biking team correct. Okay and where do you guys Ryan at. They practice Bicycle the revolution hearing loss and like a spin class that they do every Monday night and then every Sunday we try to do not what practice man walking skills but you know tomorrow there on. Close the trice because everything money right now night. The national traits here in Jackson Mississippi area and then they race against other mountain biking teams. Yes they do in Alabama. There's not a circuit here in Mississippi so the season. There's a rice every the other weekend in the springtime and will be going on there as many as we possibly can. Okay so what about other states. Do you know anything about Tennessee or Louisiana. Louis Theon or Arkansas is just. We're we're kind of like lumped in with Alabama we've We've put together a team that goes on there and rises. Because there's nowhere to arrive here. How many people are on the team here locally? You know I'll say about what the oldest you have any idea. I music like a senior in high school. I don't think so. I think what won't be the oldest one he sixteen sixteen. Say goes from in your son. Chris's twelve so we're looking at a team of a dozen kids between the ages of twelve and sixteen go and compete every couple of weeks at a different race around the around Alabama. Oh yes wow. That's pretty interesting. It's pretty cool. He didn't have anything like that when we were growing up. I don't think now now it was see. How far are we could hit a house with an egg? And and when you when you go over to Alabama how many teams do you race against you have any idea a lot of them. This is his first year to do it. So what we have to come back and give us a reward because if our listeners out there if they have children may be between the ages of twelve and senior high school and ride bikes and might be worth looking into the local bike shop to ask and see if there's any kind of like high school bike riding team or something like that because high schools are doing things. Now that we didn't have we grown up. I mean there's bowling teams. There's archery team us. There's Lacrosse teams James. I mean Cross has been around in of nor for a long time in the south. It's fairly new you know so. There's there's new sports that people are coming into that. We're not we're not familiar with and I'm wondering in a good friend of mine. His son actually is in Mississippi State Bass fishing team new those bass fishing teams in college. It's now high school. Yeah and so. I'm wondering if if there's going to be any kind of thing where you can get like a scholarship for mountain biking or something I west. They have Matt Mike Tapes at collegiate level. Do they're they're more club. Teams like Ole Miss Memphis University. They get cycling teams right the club level but in some of the the school's out West where they don't play football played college baseball basketball. They're starting to get more into the adventure. Sports try on teams cross country. Names actual uh-huh so yeah he's an emerging he's an emerging market is. He sounds like he's right at the edge of the ahead of the wave. It's a very good thing And you can see it on the soccer field. That's the only other sports does and he doesn't WANNA come out. He's never hardly breathing hard. His lungs are ready. Makes me sick. He decided one day he was going to run a half marathon neighborhood that he did. It decided around thirteen miles and he did a screen shot on struggle to ours. I Don I remember the first time I was at agent said I was going to go run down the street. I think major my neighbor's mailbox which was about eight hundred fifty S. Oh that's good so that's one topic that That our listeners may be interested in trying to Look at maybe something for their children about how to get involved as a family or House as butchered your child if they're into mountain biking and it really is it. Is it truly mountain. biking is a mountain biking course cyclocross or gravel bikes or anything like Yeah Martin bike trail riots okay. Mississippi is working towards getting it involves more involved in the misbehaves schools. Sports Association. Okay you start started developing so we'll just take a little time but you got to start someplace same way with the bowling in the bass. Fishing Lacrosse is just hockey with sticks and round balls and they tried to have hockey team at Omega. Three guys trying to try out. Uh All right. Well that's good so let's talk about. Some of our trials and errors of for the past year are still year interview review. So how do you think you're you're writing the this year Jimbo I was might target for this year was three thousand miles and I ended up right around eighteen. Eighteen hundred which was a little bit low Whether early this time of the year kind of set me back. I don't think I logged more than fifty miles from January Kan.. One through the middle of March just because the weather and travel is cold. I don't like riding in cold weather. I love cold weather but I don't like writing it when my finger and does start getting cold. I'm done. It's miserable for me now. I graduated from wrong. Did you do any writing in the mountains of Tennessee last year I did not. I didn't get a chance to take the bike up and do cades cove and enrolled around the Gatlinburg severe Valeria. Take it back. I did one ride with the local bike shop in an MBA and three in. I realized pretty quick and I'm a flat-lander were riding through some of the most treacherous busy roads roots and these guys are flying through cars or two or three feet away from us. This is in Tennessee. This was in survival but these guys knew they were done. Kept me safe pretty much. Might my mom is freaking out. You Know Semis won't buy me on a two lane road But it was. It was enjoyable. It was only about a twenty mile. Ride I had a hard time keeping up with them because they knew the terrain. I didn't know my gearing on some of the hills but on the way back we're coming into a headwind and these guys made I'm six four to eighty forty. These guys were probably six one hundred eighty back into a solidly brace. They love me. They love second behind the the big fella to VW's drafting behind the seminar. They enjoyed that part of it but I did do some riot town. We did together other. The three of us will to finish it. We did the sixty mile hungry. Would the by US Blues and by try. Uh talk about the low altitude crop dusted. And I'll put it this way ladies and gentlemen if you go on a really really good ride and you got a little nerves you know maybe a little pearl of wisdom is to take some What do you call it a modem or something before and listen? We'll just leave it at that. They had at Dat But also did a really cool ride down a mobile Early part of November was called Beers and gears should be called beer and gears because they give you one beer at the end of the road but they had Several short routes but I did the metric century so a little over sixty miles and they also had hundred mile option and it was Riding around around Mobile Alabama. Down to theater. If you're looking on a map you can look at Belen Graph Gardens and it was kinda route to and from. Well well run on. I think three or four thousand riders. If I'm not mistaken this pretty good pretty good mouth it was it was great Few rozier little nervous. Because you just I don't. You're not familiar with the area. But they put you on big wide roads and had some good shoulders to ride on one too big climbs coming back over to even from a mobile but other than that was fairly flat ride Very enjoyable Walmart. Well supported Yadda like local power company. Company had set up a huge rest stop and it was just a well run ride and this year. My goal is to do four rides outside of the Jackson Jackson Metro area and do some like Mississippi Gulf coast. GO TO MEMPHIS We've talked about. The three of us have talked about doing the bow. Bikes Obama that was birth from the Tuscaloosa tornadoes. About ten years ago he did a fundraising ride. Blue Bo Jackson as the superstar superstar running back from Auburn University and in Oakland Raiders. So if you If you go online and look at Bo Bikes Bama. There's plenty of information. I I will put a link to it on our in our show notes but I just want to do some more outside rides. Just go see different. Parts of the state. Go see different parts of the southeast and Just spend more time on the road bike. Yeah that's a great point. I mean for those of our people that are listening in the audience. I mean you know some of you may be new you and not be very comfortable signing up for a ride. But I guarantee that it's something that you'll get a lot of enjoyment out of even if you go by yourself you make new friends. We always seem to make new friends friends whenever we have rides. 'cause you end up writing with people that you don't know and then they they quickly become your friends So you know maybe for twenty twenty if you do any any kind of New Year's resolution look for a look good out of your comfort zone. Do not afford ride. It's Outta town where you have to drive now for us. Some of the ones that we have as we mentioned I mean Saturday. May the second of this year is the annual matches trace century. Ride now for those. That don't with the national traces. That's a state park. It's really considered state park. But it's a road. That goes all the way from Nashville Tennessee to Nashes Mississippi where we buy a lot of. It's very a pretty Water Turkey deer not a lot of cars except when you get through the Jackson capital area Good ride and the Jackson of the National Trade Century Ride is half of it or most of it is on Najib If you WANNA get out of town come visit us You can certainly drop us an email. We'll we'll we'll lead you on that ride. I think it the the cost is fairly economical. You registered before the end of April. It's like fifty five dollars and then another one that we do during the year in August is the bikes blues. And by US I think without question we love that one because it's in the delta. It's got a lot of good music at every stop a lot of good Rest stops One Stop. They have like a cool slushy. Remember that so they are they. They put the end slaughter largest city. They put the They pickle juice in like a slushy machine and he had like the pickles lushes and then when you stop at the money stop you have. What the Coca Cola Eliza the little glass bottles and moon pies in? You got a watermelon slim singing songs on his Steel Guitar or something. So it's it's Kinda good so these are it. All rides locally doesn't Mississippi but I'm sure that wherever you live. They've got some really good rides as well. How much this year because you did more than we did because you got involved in gravel of the first organised gravel rod have done? This year was Oxford. Last weekend with Kevin It was quite an experience experience of a lot of fun. Definitely get you a lot of heels of cold. You know you were the right things you don't get too cul. Yeah so you know one of the things that I've done this year since last time. We've done a podcast is that I got a gravel bike. I got a candidate. L. Top stone and so I've delved into in the gravel biking and Jimbo has unfortunately not had a chance to do that yet. But It can be quite dusty in the summer but it can be fun during the winter when there's not a lot of dust is just cold. That's the problem and wet so here. Are you think Mississippi. There's a lot of flat roads but it's amazing when you get to gravel roads. How early they can be an Oxford? Was My very first organized ride to and just to give you a quick update on Colin I. We were asked to sweep one of the one of the routes and so we did and and I was thinking that everybody was kind of like a little bit more into biking will come to find out. There's one guy that was on the back of the of the ride he was. He was walking up every hill so oh and he didn't know how to change. He didn't know how to change gears properly. He didn't know how to his chain back on when his chain Bob off and that was This is kind of like what this whole podcast is about is to try to teach people or encourage them from the beginning to take on rides so it was nice to kind of work with him and at the end we could tell you learned learned a lot by the time we get we get done when you think so yes and you tell him a lot about nutrition during the yeah. Yeah and so when you come out for a ride and you're going to be out there for more than an hour to you. Need to make sure that you have something more than one bottle of water. He had no food he you could tell he was bonking or crashing crashing out sharing some Jim Some of my fuel with them. I was letting him drink one of my water bottles at head carbohydrate mixture in it and we'll go over that here a few minute so So yeah gravel. BIKING has been a new thing. If you don't know anything about that you can certainly look up or Google or being gravel bikes and it'll show you the a new kind of thing that a lot of people are doing the reason why a lot of people are doing that as they don't you know quite frankly they just don't like being around cars. Cars are dangerous I have not been bitten by the gravel bog yet. But I'm sure it'll happen soon so you know we. We talked about doing some some of the longer rides the road So if you're looking to encouraging you to get involved in cycling so pick a ride or forgive the group and you've seen these marathon makeovers in couch to five K.. Programs you can develop your own program but you gotTa Kinda Kinda you gotTa get on your bike you have to. You have to ride in find a baseline of figure out what distances. You'd like to try for Ad Brad. Start for maybe twenty five mile bike ride and then if you can do ten miles in one ride and they take an hour may take an hour and a half but that your base ace then you start adding every week when it comes to running in reading some of the different ones. How hidden and some of these couch to five K.? Kind of deals they. They suggest you add about ten to fifteen percent for your long run of the week while I suggest you'd do about twenty percent on a bike because you know bikes low impact. You can do a little bit more go a little further but if you can start off go from ten miles a week to twelve and then from twelve to fifteen in the fifteen to twenty then you can Kinda Start Your training program to get to that twenty five Mile Mark and make sure you know in the week before if it's twenty five miles to go ahead and get a twenty five mile bike riding or a twenty or thirty mile bike ride in so that you over train gene so you can enjoy the ride so that your your longest ride. Isn't the the the group ride what he thought the farthest you have a road during your first year writing I would say about twenty five to thirty. Let's good guess see my i. I'm I'll never forget my friend of mine. Got Me into biking. I've done it about a half a year and then we went on an eleven mile bike ride and I thought Housman to die at Mile Eleven. I literally got off my bike and fell off into the grass and leave like a light. You know with my arms out like I was dad. Bad Road kill roadkill so that was at eleven miles so you know twenty five may seem daunting to somebody but you know for it does miss that are large and in charge. I mean twenty five miles to be a little bit a little bit of Org. How well the first night I remember my first longest ride getting ready to two? It was actually the the Bison Blues is about five years ago and I'd seen the Flyer in Greenwood Mississippi I was calling on customers and I kinda did the math math backwards this was into very GM. And I knew how to month and gobbled one of my buddies and on July the third things on on a Saturday I said I'm going to twenty miles. I'm going to do it. It took me right at two hours and it was hot. It was nasty and every week I had to add five miles with the forty mile option on that particular. I was going to be my long run so it was basically a Franken. Bike is candidate with different wheels and Blah Blah Blah Blah. It was it was a truly Franken bike line nine. I had a T. shirt on. I showed up fifteen hundred riders. And I'm the only one wearing a t-shirt and I bought a pair of bike shorts in Walmart that the pat on it was a little bit thicker than having a Napkin on your seat and that forty miles took me three hours so I it was it was it was tough. But that Kinda got me hooked What was funny was? We're GONNA back from the. We're we're heading out the twenty and there were guys coming past the white doing the sixty I went. You know think that's what I don't know if I will be that great but I'm going to be in a group that is going to be far behind and so over the next five years I mean between us. We've probably logged in five years twenty thousand miles between us and a lot of just recreational writing to our buddy doing a fifteen miler twice a week and then maybe getting together and doing a thirty forty fifty miler on the weekends But if you're going to do just like a couch to five K.. You gotta get out and do some stuff three days a week now if you're in the colder climates mix where we are willing to wet Klein. It's been raining nonstop for about thirty days. Aren't to go by and you're right. I mean when I drove over here accounts House I saw you know possums and canes on the side of the road they're pairing off to about two so so we We have our unique challenges so last year got off of facebook marketplace found a little MAC trainer got for like fifty bucks. I've got to set up in my garage and I was talking to one of the The bike shop guys instead of you can do thirty minutes three times a week on a trainer. You're going to really really in good shape gathering come spring because writing a trainer is nothing like riding on the road. You're pedaling constantly play for you know twenty thirty minutes. There's no coasting there's no breaking you're just having guy going to do the long league which is a rails to trails in his very flat. And you think it's easy because it's Latte but you don't like you said there's no coasting and it's constant that no breaking so Li if you're new to this this it's didn't find the trainer go on Ebay go on a facebook marketplace type in cycling or bicycles whatever. Somebody's offload offload one. Take it to your bike. Shop asked him to show you how to figure it out. Start with ten minutes on a bye on the trainer. Work your way up. I hey trainers as much as I hate cold weather but also know that come March April. If I don't get in some miles this year it's going to be a struggle to get up to speed by awed by early June when the fun stuff in the fun ride star. Yeah I can come into that. I mean you know being a habit deerhunter if I just get off my bike hike in October. Don't get back on it until March. I pay the price dearly but if I'm riding during the wintertime even if it's in Sil- cycling I mean you know in a spin class or whereas Jimbo said on the garage with a trainer as long as you're doing something you're keeping what we call base miles. You know they they say you need to do one hundred and fifty minutes of aerobic activity a week anyway and so he just said three times a week thirty minutes. You know. That's ninety right there So you're already putting yourself giving yourself a good base for Hebrew yourself fairly healthy other than you know trying to get through Thanksgiving and Christmas and all that stuff. The incorporate some weight training with my schedule. I don't get to go to gyms very often so I try to do some push ups every day. Do some Body squats in tow raise. I was telling my guy the things dentist you The gentleman you and I were helping an Oxford awesome. You go to the gym Madonna's now and I said Yeah I can tell because you're having a stroke. You're struggling trying to get up these deals. I said I said why. Don't you just start next week. Just while you're in the shower let your conditioner sure. Do Your hair whatever just do twenty body squats in the shop online. You can find all sorts of challenges you can find. Plank challenges push up channel Urfi burpee. He's the squad's all that kind of stuff. I'll tell you folks you know doing some lower. Legwork is far as doing like body squats and that kind of thing you do twenty thirty five thirty bodies squad today and you know add in some push ups and some sit ups toe raises You'll notice the difference because as I do these and even off off the bike for a couple of weeks I can go out and ride and you notice it more on the hills. When you're going up a hill those heels aren't quite as hard as have you not done anything? If you're just dead legged from three months no activity right now. Some of you may live in areas where there's nothing but severe hills and so God bless you. We live down here where it's fairly glad so. He'll does is Kinda daunting at times. What else we want to talk about? This may be somebody's First Time listening to us so we WANNA make sure that we just remind everybody about being safe. While you're on the road will be seen while you're out on the road the right kind of year. You know the right on a nutrition went to bring with you so you I'm GonNa Start off on that Cow Tells you know what you do in prep because you'd like to ride at night more than I did. So Oh you know until till we get like savings times back my favorite time of the year kind of what kind of lights are what lights do. Use not necessarily the name brands. But where do you have your lights. You know what colors do you wear reflective. All accounts time. They'll try to little reflected stuff. Oh Man I really don't concentrate on Tom Breath close at night. Because I've got a live student can see what I'm wearing anyway but I'm about a nine hundred thousand I'm in light on the bike. Plenty also get. Led flashing Red Lights on the back of the helmet and on the post. So we've survived car rashes. See I if I'm coming up behind. You see the red lights blinking. You'RE GONNA say lights out of lives right in the daytime. You one wear something. That's kind of like fluorescent yellow high visibility green orange hunters orange that kind of bright stuff. I mean there's a lot of Nice cycling clothes out there air but again if they blend in with the trees in the forest and the street is not doing anybody to good. You WanNa make sure that you're seeing because I don't care how good how good we're how lousy I look. I want to be able to arrive home back to my fam absolutely so Jimbo launch you Talk about what. What are you kinda mix up for? When you go out on the road like the Gatorade or well I usually do one? GATORADE or I get these little packets at at Kroger. Data are a little energy drinks. They get them in the over Crystal Light Crystal Lights. It's actually a little house ran. But they've got different ones once for energy I guess like five our energies in a little pouch and you mix them with water. And that's when I say short ride and we're doing our are fifteen to twenty miles stuff during the summertime. I'll go through to twenty four ounce bottles from doing forty eight ounces over the hour so but this time of the year. I pretty pretty much do water. I drink enough coffee and water throughout the day you know wintertime. Writing for me is not seeing how fast I can go and how fast so I can get back. It's more or less. I'm trying to avoid the land. Best at Cancer Robin surviving. It minimize the pain in my hands and feet great But as we start doing longer rides I'll pack some packs. I like the different types of us take naps was Goo Goo is a little supplement packets. kind of got the consistency of between peanut butter and Maple Syrup and it's got carbohydrates got some stimulant in it low kathleen sugar just something to keep a little fuel on your belly. Take those better every forty five minutes fifty miles. Whichever comes first? Also carry a naps. Lances peanut butter crackers reason. Why use that instead of a candy bar in the summertime if you ride in any you're gonNA mail the peanut Butter Dunton Mel? If you're not real hungry eat out six to three and you've had some the share and just to kind of like I said. Just take a step back. I mean we're talking because we're Mississippi ran the deep south. We don't have a very strong winter. We don't have any snow. You guys may be sitting there in the snow north right now while we're out riding and fifty forty degree weather trying to avoid the rain but the difference it is when it comes to being summertime. We're going to be ninety eight hundred degrees down here. We're going to be under a lot of duress with heat exhaustion and excessive excessive sweating for me. I'm accessible sweater to the point where I've had medical issues off ended really dial in nutrition and hydration and again Dan we. Don't you know we're not saying that. These are the best things in the world but there are companies. You can look at like scratch K. R.. ATC as they made a thank. God hyper hydration. I drink one of those before really really long hot ride out with my sodium intake the near stuff by hammer nutrition called he'd high high energy endurance Drink in that has like thirty something grams of carbohydrates in in a scoop with you can mix mix with your water. I was giving it to the dentist guy because he was balking so bad And then I make a little thing that that works for me. Is I take dates. You can go to Sam's or Costco and get a big thing dates and put them in a food processor. Chop them up really good at it takes oatmeal chopping. You'd make it into like an hour our at some almond butter peanut butter. Protein powder Hershey's cocoa and then I add just a little bit of a Vase Syrup and then I mix it all up into. This really ICKY gooey mess. PUT IT in a pan freeze it. Then I do a pizza cutter through and make little squares and I have one of those every hour when I'm out for long rise and that seems used to be very good because dates are high potassium which is an electrolyte. You can lose when you're sweating a lot. And it's slow absorbing carbohydrate which is really a free energy so that's just me of you know there's all things that you can find a lot of his down here like I said you heard us talk about pickle slush. She's a lot of us. Liked a drink pickle juice use with Because it's high in sodium and vinegar whatever and it helps start mind thing that we're doing something good or body it helps us and we we always try to carry mustard packets for people who hydrating cramp you may be in an area where you never cramp but if you do so from grams carry mustard packet. It'll help with your cramps if you take down about three or four packets of yellow buster. Would he put near bottles pretty much. Catering powder yeah I mean. I wish I could do that but I have to have a little bit more stronger stuff because of how much sweat when this time of year I do run. Just carry water. Wow good for you if I if it's a longer rod. I'll do on water one gatorade during the summer. It's all gatorade. Sometimes a beetlejuice in a feel kind of jealous of I will be riding with somebody who in like a small guy and I'll look at their their bike and they've got one bottle of water and that's it and we're doing fifty miles away. How does he do that? You know it is what it is. I'm my body is big as I am. I have dialed in figuring out. I need about one bottle. Every ten to fifteen miles. You know we're on the Adra so traded break even when we even when we wrote that Oxford grab a ride. It was what forty degrees when I set my Jack on the like I have been coming out. I mean I was completely so of wet and speaking of writing in the wintertime and and soaking sweat you know talking about what you wear like when I ride on insists called. I wear a I've got a thin water. Wyking t-shirt that were under where where my jersey. And then I got a fleece tied win resistant jacket. So that I don't get into the self basting modem arrive cows not as heavy sweaters. Calvin chemicals like sprinkler sometime mind but footprints with issues. But you know what's what's what's kind of your normal were Toboggan have or what are you wearing reface ski-masks type thing where the helmet as you're out robbing banks. You can just get away on your bike right exactly now. Aw the compression stuff you know have a good base layer on get the sweat away from you. Make sure you get a layer. This went through F- like moniker body against I've got about four different layers on them but they're all in the main thing I have to switch out depending on the temperature is the gloves if it's really called ride to me really cold. Oldest forty and below got some one hundred percent name brand from bicycle. Revolution of the gloves called percents the number again okay. They're really good But if it's fifty degrees and those my insulin so much that I had to take off so those type of rods I just got some mechanic's liens from lowes. Were just funding. That Blair even thought about that. A little bit of areas they're just barely breathable and they're they're great into those Kouros. The I use my regular cycling gloves and a kind of you know. Keep this in mind the ride when it's cold weather maybe forty degrees. But if you're riding fifty miles an hour you're going being at thirty mile. An hour wind chill right at BASF road. We don't get compensated for any of this but one of our arriving buddies TERMI onto a holdover mitten with expose. Thanks so you've got the glove you got the half fingers and then you can put them in the top of it and those will keep your hands license. Seen if they get if they do get hot until the mid part by yeah. Those are like hunting fishing fishing. gloves you. Can that way if you WANNA cast in real with your your fishing or you want to pull the trigger with your gun hunting you can simply pull the finger park back back. Those are really cool gloves. I wish I had a bear. Oh actually do have appeared to camouflage so we want to see your hand. You're right yeah exactly. My my problem is is not with my fingers. I mean my hands. They start out really cold but then eventually because I start heating up my fingers do get get warmed up. My problem is that it must be a long way down to my feet because I cannot stand to have cold cold feet. I mean to the point where like we've got off that ride in Oxford I was. I was limping because I could not feel the bottom of my feet. There was the thing that does help which I did do. But because we were out exposed for so long it did help the first hour our to really did help after going riding in the in the wintertime. I decided what I started doing some research. What can I do to help my feet feel better? They they got this stuff called embrocations that you rub on your feet. I have yet to get that we talked about that in one of our last podcast in that and I've yet to find some just going to be you as honest as I can't wait but I still thinking about going to Amazon and order himself something that you put on your your hands or your feet and it's supposed to can like warning warming in jail. Whatever but since? I haven't done that the other thing that I did. That does seem to work. Is You take your dry weaking socks. You put those fair on then you take like a grocery free bag a kroger bag or publix bag or whatever plastic bag that you get your groceries and you rack your feet in those then. You put a a pair of wool socks on top of that so you got three layers. You got a wicky of a plastic bag in a wolf stalking the prentice. Is the plastic bags supposed to help with a cold with the cold air. That comes up from the bomber shoes now for the first hour. My feet are actually nice intensity but then if you say longer than an hour is just like you never had anything anything on it all so new listeners out there have a cycling hat on either some kind of cool insert that we can swap in and out of her. She's that will keep. Art are tender feet being whiny little hocine battery-operated box that I just didn't want to spend the money for that. I didn't want to get shocked when I'm running. Yeah I get cold easily so I would never get the gators okay for those of you. Who are getting getting ready or urine climates? Or you're GONNA get on your trainer start doing some stuff Make sure you go get checked out. Just go bike shop. Drop your bike off. Say Hey hey you need a need a tune up you may need a full you know get everything stripped down and in relived up for for the year or you just may need just You know some adjustments making sure your brakes her or set. Your wheels are in good working order. Maybe go ahead and swap out your inner tubes. So you've got French inner tubes because just it's like in cars. The cold weather will affect your tires. tentatives they'll swallow contract dry rot and do different things on the side. Not The reason why we talked about. I'm going to local bike. Shop is yes you probably can find. I mean all three of US could sit here and agree that we can find things probably a little cheaper on Amazon but when we don't support our local bike shops that will eventually be a casualty of war and they will have to close their business. And then when you need to have your bike worked on who you'RE GONNA take it to you know so so police leave wherever you live. Support your local bike shop. There's plenty of bike shops Out there find the one that works for you where we live. There's three major bike shops within driving distance. We particularly like a one. Because it's close so close close. I mean we can literally ride our bike to it. They shall and they sell beer. Yeah but He has the support your local tax. So I'm sorry to Jimbo just I mean you know you. You go to the mechanic shop you go to your local mechanic to get your cars work done or you on a bicycle and you have a flat tire. You're doing ten fifty miles. An hour is very very very dangerous. You know if you're in your vehicle in your car breaks down you're still in your vehicle wooden if you're on a bike and you have some sort of failure. The potential of you may upright is about fifty fifty. So it's better clanking. Fun is the Bali nece. Yes the sudden stop at the mob so getting things check Jack Breaks you wheels. You know Those are the main things. Make sure that your gears are in good working order eat. Don't WanNa have a gear break in. You're stuck doc in the heaviest gear for twenty miles to get home. You may be calling your significant other or having your buddies comeback. Pick you up because you can't pedal anymore but just like you would your vehicles you know regular maintenance some of the stuff you can do yourself but I really have no problem In it's it's not that expensive to go to your bike shop and let them check everything out. You know swap out whatever you need to be safe and that way you get confidence when you're at correct. Yeah we're helmet or you Hammett and you show them obey hull of us. I have done it. I can't speak for the other two. I've I've had the crash interior. The APP AH we have wrecked and cracked their hands. We know somebody who has wrecked and cracked down. Or if you've never seen a crackdown just saying that would be your skull and you could be a a neurological ward at the hospital. Because you got dame bridge we used to not wear one when we were kids thinking back today but now I can't imagine in Riding a bike without a helmet right always wear a helmet on goofy. It looks correct. My daughter back in college today. Dad wanted to bike hers got stolen last last semester. And I said here's your helmet. And she's Daddy. I don't need to how NASA you don't need a back your college. Yeah she said that Kevin Avenues my daughter and I said maybe you're right on. Campus people are texting and not paying attention. And don't risk. It's not worth two miles an hour. You can tip over your head slammed into the concrete. Yeah and two miles or you follow over on the road and you hit the curb not able to to protect yourself always always wear them linke lights where you Blakey's Some sort of light. You know just safe safe safe safe safe safe. It don't ride. We run into this everywhere your we're seeing more. And more of cyclists bean hit because more people are taking up the activity. I won't call it a sport because really not a sporting activity for for most. We don't get paid to do this. So it's activity be smart. Don't decide you're GONNA go ride on major thoroughfares between four Ford six o'clock in the afternoon or between seven thirty and nine in the morning during Roshan are driving. Your people are GonNa get mad year. They're going to put you in harm's there's way they're gonNA they're gonNa buzz you purpose going to try to send messages and it's just not worth it find find safe places to ride a ride with groups Now it's dark makes you you lights in the summertime. Same applies people trying to get Hong. Get to the kids feed the dogs. Do Whatever whatever Dorado major thoroughfares. Yeah I mean go to your you can call your local bike shop. They will always have a list of local bike rides. I mean we ourselves have several facebook groups at announced where somebody's writing with. Whom and so you don't have to ride by yourself if you don't need to Jimbo and I- Kyle we we do? Oh you know during daylight savings time hours. We try to help with the encouragement ride where we'd lead beginners so these people have a safe environment where they feel they can learn earn. They can they don't have to get dropped or whatever so there's always going to be somebody out there in a writing community that ride with you by yourself. That's that's one thing Make sure you get a road. Id Bracelets identify who you are unless somebody on where you're at all times but mostly try to ride with other people so it's always thank. Thank safety I wear bright ugly clothing. Lashing lights you want. Everybody in a car aren't to see you out on the road. If you'RE GONNA be out with other vehicles he so you know gatorade good waters good. Be Sure to be drinking. Don't wait till the day of your ride. Just have a glass of water. Try to drink your water. Every day to keep stay hydrated good nutrition proper good carb carb loading prior to your ride is good. I'm not saying you gotTa go to the Pizza Buffet before your eyes. Because I don't WanNa oh you puke everywhere but you know maybe a bowl of oatmeal. I know you always have you always have A. US have a Bagel bagel peanut butter guy. They don't peanut butter about an hour for the. What do you usually Granola bar at the house? Oh Grandma Yeah Saturdays I just have this. One is my treat in about two hours who we have seven o'clock right. I'm get up at five o'clock in the morning have a couple of cups of coffee to pop tarts about target. You know it was just as fun stuff. I don't know what else we got. Thought about anything directly. So we're going to try to do you know we're GONNA change the format up a little federal do some highlights on local rides in the southeast On our website. I'm going to try to get a calendar up. And if anybody he has a ride that they would like promoted get in touch with US via email and we'll try to do an interview with you or send us information and we'll talk about it but there are Tonderai is in the southeast. We're based in Mississippi and they've got some really awesome stuff in Louisiana Arkansas Alabama Tennessee. You know I'm looking at some stuff in North Florida over into Georgia area. There's a pretty long rails to trails setup there about seventy seventy five eighty mile or I think and at some point this summer I'm GonNa go that's That's that's called bucket list but I have a kind of a two you. Twenty Two thousand twenty checkoff list and one of my deals is is to do five moderately long ride sixty miles or you better outside of Mississippi. Yeah there's a group that sometimes goes and they do what they call. The Katy trail in Missouri is like two hundred fifty miles. Miles of rails to trails they take Vanden railroad tracks tournament a path and they take a couple of nights. Stay at a hotel here hotel there across else Missouri in the Katy trail goes across the state Missouri. And they loved it. I'd like to do that. That's I'm above list telling the boys here before we started that I had signed up for the dirty dirty. Kansas underdog. Grab Riding Emporia Kansas. If they choose me out lottery and I'll be training one hundred riding Kansas's so that's one of my bucket list listings. I'm totally on board with Jimbo by Trying to be adventurous and finding something outside of the State Boat Bikes Bama that is in April April April liberal. You know it's a junior year the Tuscaloosa Montgomery area Actually Dogar Okay Auburn Auburn Alabama. You know come on down Might get a pitcher Bo Jackson who knows Kyle and you you're GONNA be working with your son getting thing on your your agenda. The main thing this year to double Obama Miles from the last two years and hit a thousand miles the last two years mainly because of new baby in the house. I'll have been to at least two thousand this year. The great thing about you is you're doing with your son and you're making memories with your we at John. You know outrun may a did it something as we talk about real quick. DOC is set some goals on Shraga and some other of the different. I call tracking websites. They've got a challenge. It's the two it's the two thousand thousand twenty two thousand twenty miles in two thousand twenty. Probably do that and for some you I didn't get to do it in miles but my birthday. They was in December and I did do a fifty four K.. By pride to honor my birthday we had one of our our elder statesman. c'mon on his birthday. He did a seventy five mile background. You turn seventy five year old seventy five miles that day. So you know two things one. Congratulations nations in two. I hope to God I can do seventy five miles seventy five years old. Maybe I can get a time machine and go back to eighteenth birthday excellent finish up with the encouraging word of the day so this was a a a statement by friend of mine name Limbs L. Johnson and his. It's a AH. My weekday challenge was kindness. He says kindness is the language that can be heard without ears and seen without is and so. I'm going to read that again. Kindness is the language that can be heard without ears and see without eyes so you know always make it a point to be nice to other people. That's the way God intended us to be anyway. We only have one. ESPN in enemy is Is Not anybody on the face of this. Earth is Satan himself only we have. All of us should be kind each other especially if you are a little bit more advanced on a bike than somebody else that sometimes John will bring them up into the sport. Let them don't don't push them away and And hopefully you'll find the same kind of person that gives you a pearl of wisdom or a tip or a hand up when you buy as well but just trying to make a challenge of twenty twenty to get two thousand twenty miles then if you can't but also be kind to your neighbors. Your friends people checking out at at the grocery store. Where the person next to you while you're pumping gas or sitting in the movie theater okay? That's all I can guys. We'll we'll circle back in a week or two and call center here. Thanks for joining. Sky turned thanks for joining it. Remember to subscribe to the encouragement ride. PODCAST FOR MORE UPDATES dates be sure to follow us on twitter at encourage writing and on facebook at the encouragement. Feel free to send us a message to ask questions or just say. Hey Hi until next time remember. Wear your helmet and always use your Blakey's so long for now you gotta fuel dates uh-huh juice.
Episode 15: The Liberty Lady Sending Postcards from Somalia
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Reporting in all the way from Somalia miss Kerry, voluntary highway doing. I'm great. Thank you. Thanks for having me. Yeah. Thanks so much for being on the show. I really excited have you here today. So let's get into it who is Sherry voluntary. Well, let's see. I'm a mom of two kids sixteen and eight boy and a girl, and that's a lot of fun. I home school them. I'm a wife of been married. Twenty three almost twenty four years. And that's an adventure. I and I do podcasts. Liberty ladies that kind of thing. I'm a Hooper I love to dance and. Yeah. That's a lot of fun. So I I'm trying to get back into it. After the past two years of doing radio and podcast. It's been too busy. And I'm trying to find more balanced. So. Yeah. I the the balance is is always hard, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. I I find myself. I mean, I work all the time. Because when when you when your main platforms for working are your your own venues, and and social media, it's really easy to stay on them all the time and to be available all the time. And so I'm trying to figure out how to cut back because I want to be available to people and help them out and things like that. And and just, you know, keep my myself out there knowing what's going on. But I also have to have some sort of a life. Try to rebuild a life. Yes. Yeah. Me I had a conversation. The other night with my wife, you know, it's it's we also have two kids, and you know, and and the wife and we've been married her ten years we have an eight year old and one year old. She home. And I don't know how she does it. She does an awesome job at it. Even though there are days she reaches out to me like today, you know, that she's having a hard time. And I was like nah in there. You're you're doing awesome. You can do it. And it it's it's hard. You know, I I didn't even know about home schooling until until I met, my my wife, you know. And when you tell people your home school, they kind of look at you funny. Sometimes. Yeah. Thank you like, I don't know about where you are. But we're at I'm at people usually think like cool, lots and buns and ultra conservative Christian. And it's really not. I was surprised when we started home schooling at what kind of diversity there is in the home school world really surprised and even here in in Knoxville. There's. Plenty of secular home schoolers there's a Christian home schoolers there's all kinds of groups in between. So it's it's really it's one of the best things I think we've ever done for our family. So it's. You know and not knowing your family, but I I do agree because I my my eight year old. I'm sure if you went to school, they'd they'd say, oh, he needs to go on Ritalin or some some crap. Like, right. Sit and listen be a robot be a machine, right? Don't marry all of the Linda follow the rules. That's basically a lot of what they're doing there. And I might tell people like I understand that. It's scary. It's like it's like walking off a cliff and not knowing what's what's over there. You know, you don't want to screw your kids up. But like, the the best thing about home schooling is also the most challenging thing about home schooling. Is that is your your with your kids like all the? Which is a great family. And that's you know, families are designed that way. But it's it's you know, you get on each other's nerves. I get on their nerves. They get on my nerves sometimes but all about learning to negotiate life together. So for our relationships and just their own personal independence. It's so much better. We can travel my husband's Canadian. So we go see his family. We can stay a month. If we won or whatever. So it's it's nice. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of that. Well, that's awesome. We so funny. I it's it's a small world. So my wife's family also has some Canadian roots. And we actually have a cabin out in Prince Edward Island. Oh, beautiful. So we gets visit there in the summertimes. So the Canadians love their cottages. Oh my God. We just met a long lost brother of my husband and went up to their their cottage in Quebec this year the summer, and it was amazingly gorgeous. Let's like a normal thing for all Canadians. Like, they all have their little cottage that they go to and. Very it comes through on prince P or Princeton Rhode Island or Nova Scotia somewhere out there. Yeah. It's you know, I always say if there's ever an apocalypse. That's why I'd probably run away too. I it's the winters are not that great. But the rest of us. I mean, there's so much space and they say ninety percent of the population of Canada is within like one hundred miles of the border. You know, it doesn't like I it's it's a lot of it is just Arctic waste. All right. So next question what brought you to the liberty movement or to voluntary as whatever, you know, spectrum of the libertarian. You know, you know, what what brought you to it. Yeah. Well, I I was a Republican Santa Fe many years ago. And I thought I really understood, you know, something about freedom. And and what direction I wanted the country to take. But I didn't I found that out when I moved at we've been living all over and and move back to Tennessee when I got pregnant with our son, and I started listening. I was talk radio junkie. Like, I listen to rush everyday for years like for years. I kid you not. I listen to Rush Limbaugh. And now, I I couldn't stand to listen to that show. It's amazing how much change. But so, yeah, I I started listening to a show called the Neil bortz show out of Atlanta. And if you've ever heard of the fair tax book that okay? Well, that was a big thing along time ago like, you know, twenty years ago fifteen years ago in and in the liberty circles, and so he had this radio show, and he was a libertarian. He he called himself a libertarian. I I would classify him as a big l libertarian for sure. Now. And so at first I thought, wow, I really like the sky, and he would talk about imminent domain a lot, and I had never heard of imminent domain. I was amazed that the government could just decide to take off if they wanted. So you could swear on this show. Okay. Taught myself. I, you know, they could just decide arbitrarily, and they do often like people say, well, it's it's a rare case, it's really not a lot of places. There's a lot of corruption involved in it. And so and a lot of times they'll take people's property in the developer, never even develops it. And it sits there, and it's I mean, it's it's a it's a travesty. We've got a famous national park or. Yeah. Cades cove here in Knox the Knox Larrea Gatlinburg area that in the thirties. I believe it was the government took all that land from the farmers that were there and made it into this big. It's a beautiful park. Like, I I love going there and having it, but it's just it's a shame. When you see that people people lived here, and they farmed, and they had their families and someone just decided to under value their land and fade them, you know, bottom rates and or some out. So that was. That was what really got me started into questioning more of the government of what what was really going on. Because it just seems. So so out there to what things should be like so I for for many years. I was I thought I was libertarian. But now, I would say I was not I was a I was one of those that thought libertarianism was the middle, you know, and that we're conservative and socially liberal. And and you know, that kind of slogan thing even though it's never involved with the party. I still voted Republican. I voted for w. The last time I voted Westford w though, and then I see my husband started reading a lot of Ayn rand. Yes. And that that was what really set us on the path to finding volunteerism and and so we he started listening to a show out of I think Minneapolis called the Jason Lewis show. And this guy that would fill in for Jason every once in a while named Tom woods, Mike started. He found him through that. And started listening to podcasts than it. Wasn't. It wasn't long at all after that. Once the dominos fall. They just you have to be ready. But once you're ready. It's quick quick. Especially when someone says when somebody tells me, they found, you know, Mr. Stapleton. I was like, okay. That's good. That's big L libertarian. But then when they're like, I found Tom woods. Oh, good. Good. And then I found manse raider. I was like better better. Yeah. There's a lot of great stuff out there. And you know, I honestly, I hate it. When people call I know Jason Stapleton calls himself, a libertarian. I call them an rollover -tarian, which is not a libertarian in my book because if you you can lick boots that well, you're probably not a libertarian just something's are libertarian. And some things are not and a strong military presence is not. That's that's just I mean, it's it's full shit. So I'm not I'm not a fan of Michigan's Stapleton at all. You know in in. I know a lot of people are not. I've had an interaction with him on on Twitter about being banned for in ARCO coffee being banned for Facebook advertising. And I said, hey, man, like, you know. What did I say? I said something along the lines of, you know, libertarian entrepreneur just starting now and already got banned. No reason why you know, anything you can do to help any pointers. You know to help me out. You know because Zoe is talking about, you know, business and entrepreneurial he replied back and said, you know, principle anarchist like yourself. Why would you want to advertise on Facebook? And I got up there. I punched up, you know, quote, unquote, punched up, right? But the one thing I kinda regret it because I don't wanna throw rocks either. You know, I don't want to be throwing rocks at. Other so-called libertarians because I feel like they are all kind of doing something for the liberty movement. Right. And I it's hard. I don't disagree. You know, I feel you. And I. Yes. And I don't know. I know I know you're you're just starting out with the podcast the anyway, and I started out in the same same kind of realm mindset that you you are right now. And I don't mean this to be kind of sending it all because I'm I'm nobody. But I, you know, two years ago, I thought to well, we can all just you know, we're all working towards the same goal. And and I I agree with that in a certain way, we are. But you you either want a seat at the table or you want to get rid of the table and the libertarian party wants to seat at the table. They wanna play the game. Now, not everybody in the party is like that. And I and I don't mean to disparage people because I think people are just doing the best. They know how right. And that that I don't want to disparage. Someone like Jason Stapleton. I think is a distraction from actual riverton mind this because if he had his druthers, you know, we would have just a different type of tyranny nuts. You know? It'd be it'd be more. You know, maybe a little more free. Like, he's you know, and the guys intelligent. It's nice not intelligent. But he you know, he has a chip on his shoulder about who he is. And and what he contributes, and you know, he hates anarchists. So if you hate them most. Yeah. The most principle the most consistent, I mean, like this agree with me fine. If you just hate me because of my my label, and you can't appreciate that. I you know, I mean, honestly where were consistent than they are. They just aren't you? There's libertarianism which I see as, you know, libertarian philosophy is anarchism fully realized like that is if you if you believe in the non aggression principle completely you are an. Kissed. You cannot not believe in it in any degree and not being kissed and men are kids them all that. Like God love you people. I I love a lot of men are guests like I have a lot of friends who are not anarchists. But that is that's a degree off. Libertarianism? That's old libertarianism is an acceptance completely of the non aggression principle property rights, and and you just you can't get around the fact that any aggressive action taken towards another person any coercive action is a violation of the non aggression principle. Make excuses. But that's what it is. No. And and and I have to say I should before. We and I'm glad we went down that road. Because I listened to post guards from Smalley. I love it. I it's a good laugh. Yeah. I mean, I'm laughing with you guys. I'm glad like pretty much like mother fucker. Yeah. They're they're they're tearing them apart. But like, you know, what it's the God, honest truth, you know. And I guess I'm a little bit more reserve because I am starting out. I I mean, sometimes I on leash you know, in the other day I had seen a post about. So since you're sitting in the last twenty four hours, I saw two different hosts or two different things about social media, which was, you know, don't delete and don't block people what they're saying on your posts. Right. Just let it be you're on or just block them like fuck those people, and I'm I'm having a tough time because I'm not gonna lie. I've been called a Schill neck beer. Yeah. And I've only it's only a couple of months. Yeah. I feel you. I mean, you know, and and being a woman to sometimes people want to comment on your looks, you know, as opposed to what you what you are actually saying. And that is that's super frustrating for me. You know, you don't have to you don't think I'm hot or anything. But that if you can't appreciate my mind, and when I'm bringing to the table, like, I'm not here to be, you know, your whatever. So I, but it's it's really a small percentage of those people. But the reason that we we did postcards was because we needed it. You know, it doesn't take long to get kind of burnt out in this and. It's it. We just needed to blow off some steam and just give our opinions like we don't really prepare much that show like on our regular shows on Allen show, the gold standard in mind is voluntary show, we prepare, you know, we have guests, and we're respectful, and you know, and then on that show. We get to just say what we want to say without the word police without you know, all that stuff. Just throw it all out, and and be mean, and like, you know, say things on -serily, otherwise, I wouldn't Allenwood out don't care. But I feel you though, you know, I don't wanna I don't wanna make unnecessary enemies. That's never mind never my goal. But you know, I talked with Michael Boldin. He's like just ban them. I don't I don't. He's like I don't put up with that shit. I don't I don't I this is my Dan Banham. Yeah. He's he's he's like, and it made a lot of sense to me because before I would let people who were not just. They weren't just disagreeing with me. They were actually harassing like like being being just nasty. And but I felt I was like, Well, I I shouldn't block them. He's like this is this is your platform. Right. This Facebook whenever it is. You're using you've got a message and you want to get it out. And you don't have time for these people that they have time to attack you constantly. You're you've got things to do. And so he's like that's the tenth amendment center. Banham? I don't have time for that. This is my platform, and I have a message to get out there. And if you're not on board, then you can go somewhere else. This is not, you know, free speech country. This is my. So that makes a lot of sense to me to like, I don't I don't ban people. And I don't think he does either. Just because they happen to disagree. Respectfully or even wrassling. You. Yeah. Then they gotta go. 'cause I just you know, you you get so little time anymore. It just get busier and busier, and and you know, like you want your message to get out there. And you know, we're all made better by I think about when I was in my more religious days. There's a bible verse that says iron sharpens iron. And and so people do that for each other that you're you're sharp, and I'm sharp, and we can we can whittle these ideas down, and that's how I got to be where I am right now. Like people led me to volunteerism, but really honing. My ideas, actually did come from Facebook like it came from being in. You know, communities and warning about things, and and, you know, have come like, I was a border Terry in it. I and I'm not anymore. You know, I I moved from here to there in different areas, and you just you sharpen yourself, and you figure out your arguments, and what makes sense to you. And. That's a great thing. That's the great thing about social media. It's also frustrating. So it's you know, it is. It's a tool or piece of technology that has definitely shaped the views in this country, or is shaping the views in this country. I think it magnifies your voice and that libertarians there are so few of us. I mean, really it. I think sometimes on social media we can start to be all because we're in they call it the little bubble. I'm so, you know, on my political Facebook page have all, you know, all these different people who are interested in politics and their libertarians or some flavor of something, and and they want to engage about this stuff. So you get this like false idea that most people are interested are talking about freedom and real things that matter, and that's just not the case, we are very very very I mean, you're talking about libertarians are probably one percent of the population. Voluntary is probably like point zero five percents population. So we get our voice voice magnified, though, in a way that we cannot do in the real world unless you have like a radio show or a television show, and and even even further than that like, I there are people I know all around the world because of Facebook or whatever platform, and that's an amazing tool. And I think that's gonna really help the ideas of freedom. And and helps for us to just stay connected. I've made some beautiful friends people I've really truly care about on, you know, social media. And you know, we just we have to do that. Because there's not that many of us, right? No, greedy. I started in November lay December last year. And it's been a a rocket ship for me met, so many people who think like me. You know, who are entrepreneurs will. And it's been awesome. Yeah. Because you know, I was working in the Boston area. And it is extremely liberal. An understatement. Yeah. And you know, I share try to share these small ideas. And I would just, you know, people look at me right away would be like your conspiracy theorists. Right. Maybe I am. I don't know. I just think about these things there are things in this world. You know that get me thinking and wire why is it the way it is? You know, we I think we've been indoctrinated, right? Yeah. Oh. And but like, you know, you you still get hoped at or made fun of but. In. You know, I say on my about page. It's like fuck it. It's like I'm coming out of the closet here. I am. That that what you're saying? It's such an amazing moment when you are like, I don't know. Maybe it's not this way for for most people. But for me when I I realized I was an anarchist. Like that was like a almost like a religious experience. I was standing in my kitchen, and the last thing that I was having a hard time with was the military and real support of the military, and and because it had been so ingrained in me, and I almost went into the military, so, but once that once I just realized it was like, I just felt it like it was this. I'm an anarchist, and it was very freeing. But I wasn't telling anyone I didn't want people to know. And so it it. I remember listening to a speech by Larkin rose. I think I know what you're gonna say because it's the same one that might have touched me. You're not the boss of me at the fourth of July saying in Washington. Fuck the truth Washington, does is it the one. He's like, you know, I know I think it was a in ARCO poke where he was just like, I'm vases, say some things that you're all uncomfortable with. Yeah. That's a great one too. I mean, he's great style. Yeah. And it was lark in who. Also. I was like oh shit. I'm an anarchist. Lake. Yeah. Kyw resonated with me so much. And then I just started reading after you know, in instill today the other day, I discovered the word spontaneous order. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, yeah. That sounds cool. It makes sense. Yeah. When you get into it, and you see the the the invisible hand only talk about the invisible hand, and and just the seen and the unseen that there's so much with with anarchism one of the reasons that it's so difficult to it takes time, generally to to communicate these things to people it does as there's so many moving parts, and it's so different from what the system that. We are so indoctrinated, and and we've got this learned helplessness that people have been United, and I think like people aren't dumb right people. Human beings are intelligent, but they are. Are dumbfounded and they're dumbfounded by the system. That has is its purpose is to dump found them into make them obedience slaves and domesticated humans as short Gerald Casey calls it, he's certain some fantastic material. So, you know, those those the the the scene in the unseen. It's this beautiful. It's I don't want to say, it's supernatural. But it's it's a beautiful aspect of life that when you're paying attention, you see people organizing themselves, and it really is a beautiful thing and people doing for themselves, and for their neighbors, even the people that believe in government believe in authority, they still live anarchy most of their day. They just don't know it. So I think the most important thing is not to not to have, you know, like this idea that I'm going to go out here and bake everybody believed the way, I do but to have the con-. Sation into make yourself have some credibility with people that disagree with you. If they'll be, you know, open to hearing, and you can you can be kind enough to to understand where they're at. And I think you you can have the next conversation. So I'm always looking to the next conversation. Like, you know, maybe we don't agree on much right now. But a lot of times people will go away and think about these things because once you once you say to someone why is it? Okay. For you to force me to do something. Like is that okay? For me to force you to do something role. No. Why does it all all of a sudden become magically? Okay. When you call it government. And so that that really gets to the heart of of all of that. And so, you know, if you can just engender questions and people you don't have to have all the answers, and you don't have to answer for people. It's basically in 'gendering the questions, but when I was gonna say early about Larkin, Moses speech, which I I. Recommend everybody going YouTube and watch the speech. You will be ready. That's my game face speech. That's when I need to like be on it. I'm I will put that thing on and listen to it because it's just amazing. And it's just he's standing in the middle of like a fourth of July deal, and in Washington DC, and he's calling these people out, and it's just like that guy can do that. I can do that in my town. So now, I don't I don't shy away at there's a a local former state Senator and Representative that. Bless his heart as we say down here. He's he thinks he's very sharp. And he's not. And you know, he he thought he was outing me one day as an anarchist. He's like that's not libertarianism bets anarchy. And I'm like, I don't you're not you're not like shaming me at all. By calling me, an inner guest. I've said it on the radio in here in town that I'm an anarchist. That's but at first it wasn't like that. And then the more comfortable, I got with the ideas. And that that speech I walked upstairs with my husband, and I'm bustard the door. I'm like damn it. I'm not hiding anymore. I'm an anarchist and not go round telling people that and and just you know, freaking people out. But if it comes up, I'm not going to shy away from it. Because it's if I act like there's something to hide then people will think there's something to hide. Hey, guys. Hope you're enjoying the episode so far. Sorry, interrupt you here, but need your support so head over to an ARCO Inc dot com slash support where you can find many ways to support the show, including even just clicking on our Amazon affiliate. Lincoln continue shopping like you normally do on Amazon with that said we had a little jingle mixed up for you guys. And here, it is hope you enjoy it. When I discovered Larkin rose. And and and you know, we are changed with Lou all of these. Great people all so many great people Corbett report. He's got a fantastic show. Oh, he does. He's amazing. All great stuff. There was a movie I wanna share with you that I watched the other day in. It's on Netflix is called beyond the curve. I recommend you watch. It the flat and seen it on there. You okay. I haven't watched the movie, but I've seen that it's on watching it. And I was like I'm going to go in with an open mind. I'm not a flatter. They're saying that right now. This. But I'm watching them. And there is something that came up, which is the dunning Kruger fat. Yes. And then I asked my wife, I said, well, how do I know that libertarianism voluntary? As a gore ISM. I in arguments is I'm not getting into dunning Kruger affect or. You know? That's I wanted to make sure like I didn't I've listened to the left and I listened to the right? I voted for the left and the right? I've done I've done I voted for Obama. I voted for Mitt Romney, I will public now that is a spectrum. That's actually, they're not that different. Yeah. Well, when we really get right. That's a talk for another show. That I asked that's my wife in which he said to me was, you know. You can't apply because it's a philosophy libertarian of a Palazzo Sophy, whereas plying the done in Kruger frac to the flat earth. It's a science. There's a there's a fuck in science and there it's fucking round. So. Yeah, that's you know, I guess I'm stating that and questioning like hot, oh, we know that were not in this stunning. Krueger fact or imposter syndrome or creating a bubble. You know? Well, you know, I think I think those things all affect us, you know, to some degree. But I think even my answer would be I don't know. Maybe we are. But we're the most it's the most peaceful the most respectful of the rights of the individual of any philosophy out there. So if that's if we're living in some kind of bubble, the doesn't really, you know, isn't screw it. It's you know, it's still the best thing going just I don't concern myself with those kinds of things too much just because I mean, they arm portent, and it's important to understand those. But I don't I don't worry about. And maybe it's just me. I'm more of a more of a free spirit. I guess, and I don't I don't worry so much about whether or not the whole thing is right. Like, I know what's right? I know what's right in my life. So final. What's right? Then other people know, what's right? It's kinda like people will say well. You know, murder is wrong to you. But it might not be wrong to this. You know pygmy somewhere in South America. Mike know, they understand murders wrong. Right. They don't want it. Then to them anything. You don't want done to you. You can understand another person doesn't want done to them. So burder is always wrong. Whether your culture is built around acceptance of a certain amount of violence, that's a different thing. So I think it's just a matter of thinking through going something's are important to to really question. And some things are you know, they might be a great intellectual exercise. They might be entertaining to think about, but that's my take on conspiracy theories to like, look, do I think JFK was the facination was one dude with a gun. No, not really, I think there was probably a lot more to it. But am I going to dedicate my life and my time on that? I have limited time should VAT arm, I going to dedicate it to something that is going to hope. Hopefully, make a way for my children. And I don't know what that way is. I don't know. I don't think the whole country are majority of the country is gonna go our way, but we may be able to have small spaces of you know, land area that we can live in our own. Like, I don't know see studying whatever there's there's options there is free project. I'm sure I can tell you is is a great example of that. So I I think there's there's options out there, and I don't I don't know all the answers. But I want to focus on things that matter and just leave the stuff that doesn't even like borders. Like, I said, I'm not I'm not for for state sponsored borders. But do I really care about it that much right now? No because we're not even anywhere close to getting rid of them. And and so I'm not gonna like I've I've done that intellectual exercise. I've talked to people about it. And I will talk to them about it. But when it comes down to it. I'm not going to cut someone out of my life because they believe in borders, like we're not at the same place. That's fine. But a lot of the stuff is gonna make more sense when it's ready to be done. And it makes sense. Not close to that. And speaking about cutting people out of your lives. Here's something I'm toying with would you ever talk to a communist? Absolutely. Yeah. I've got friends who go. Not, you know, look, I I know there are people that I don't do the commie, you know, and that's your right? You know, you can associate with you want to. But the way I looked at it is how you ever gonna reach those people if you don't talk to them like if we'd just post up on our side. Now, I won't give them quarter. I won't say that no seizing the music productions well production. Well, that's okay. You know? No, that's not that's violence. And I'm not I'm not down for that. And that we're going to disagree about that. But you know, I think there are some great examples of people who have come from the left and are the biggest assets to. The I don't wanna say the liberty movement. The the energised the libertarian movement. Michael Boldin used to be a communist he runs a tenth amendment center. He's in. He's a fantastic guy. He's I think the tenth amendment center a lot of people don't understand the mission. So they though their status, but they're not they're using the the state's own system against them to stop the state. So they've they've devoted the NSA. They've been they they've actually fought and won against the government with drafting legislation in places to keep you know, to keep the the state of Utah from getting giving water to the NSA facilities because they need tons and tons of waters to keep all those servers that collect all your data. They meet a lot of power and a lot of water. So that's one of the things that they'll do in these or they'll come in preemptively into state and say, hey, you need to pass this Bill the work with the legislatures to keep that to art to go ahead and have it in place, the state the feds can't even try. Why they're so you know, that that person used to be communist, and if you just refuse to talk to him and who's gonna tell him, you know, who's going to get plant that little seed that helped him grow. So. I think it's important. I think it's more important, you know, or it's just as important to that. You you make sure that you're having lots of time communing if you will with with people that do think like you because that most of the world doesn't think like us most of the messages that we get coming at us every day are not ones of individual freedom. And so so you really need to make sure that you're you're staying solid in those things and having those connections and just having people who get you. That's really important for just human beings as people who get you. So. Yeah, I would I mean, I like, I said, I know, I know communists, I know socialists, lip socks. I think he I think we have the guy that started the whole Rentis theft thing here. You know, any the great person, but we disagree. And that's okay. Neither one of us aren't getting our way. I don't know. Maybe he'll get his way before I get mine the way things are going, but. Do you? Are you finding and six six can be determined different ways. Right. But are you finding sist? I came say the damn word. It's late at night of people might not know that we're kind of late for the long day, and we'll we'll wrap up shortly. But are you finding six six in your? Paths to through libertarianism. What does it you're doing? You know, business wise, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good question. I think it it from me. Success? Like, I feel like I've had success somewhat already in that. I've had people tell me you help to figure out that. I'm a volunteers you helped me find volunteerism or you really helped me get get to the point. Like, I wasn't sure. And I thought it was crazy. And then listen to you in the more. I listen to you the more since you made. So either I got crazy or you guys you weren't. But you know, those types of things when someone tells you, and I even have people say that don't necessarily agree with me on everything, but say, you know, you've opened my eyes to of uses of cops opened my eyes to the fact that there's a lot of problems with the the policing system that to me is a huge win like that. You know, maybe maybe one day, they'll they'll go further. But that right there that offers a lot of the port to freedom. So those things are wonderful. And I've had I've had I've had. You know, a lot of that. And that that makes my day. It really does that the other maybe more traditionally understood success of money. Is not you know, I'm still I'm really trying to figure that out because you know, I take a lot of time away from my family and my friends. I, you know, I haven't seen a lot of people in a long time because I do a lot now for the things I'm doing, and so I am trying to figure out a way to make it where I can continue doing it. Because I look I'm not under the impression that I'm ever gonna make a living doing this. I probably won't. But if I could make enough money to keep doing it and to go to like, I I really wanna go to different conferences and meet people. I wanna go meet other all interiors, I wanna tell you know, sort of their story and and encourage people like, that's that's one of the things I love to do so build communities. That's that's for me foundational. And I think it's what women really bring to. The movement is that idea in the sense of how to organize communities, and you know, that's that's a you. You know, not men can't do it. But it's a it's a skill that women have so naturally to connect with others in general. And so I think that's really important. I think that's one of the reasons we need to get more women and communicate to them the benefits of volunteerism. But. So yes, yes. In some ways I've had success. I've had that kind of success that you couldn't pay me for. I will do this. This will be what I'd do. Maybe not podcasting. I don't know. But I will do something. I will always be speaking because I want to and I love it. If I can continue paying, you know, first things, I don't know if I can do that if I don't start making some money, so. It's hard. You know, that's, you know, want one thing. I talk about on my show. I it's not easy something you gotta do every day. Why I continue to have my full time job. And you know, one thing I want to whoever's listening. I have like two hundred listeners, maybe. You know, whoever's listening what I want to say is that, you know, continue it as a side hustle. Keep your full job. Yes. Some people jump in head first and quit their fulltime job and get a huge huge success from this. But it's not everybody does. You know, started as a side hustle and see where it goes. You know, that's her and right? Never put my family in jeopardy over it. Like exactly don't put your jeopardy over it. Don't put your finances in jeopardy over. Yeah. The other thing is, you know. People are just sort of a post today. I've been thinking about doing about a podcast if you've been thinking about it just do it. Now in your case with the time the thing I can recommend to you. And this is what I've been recommend to a lot of podcasters and everybody from yourself to John Otomat Online's liberty to Johnny atoms. They're all like, this is cool. It's called calendar where you can set imes for your podcast. This is what number. Able after everybody's gone to sleep. No, you've spent time with your wife and kids or your husband and kids or you're. Significant other and king ever, you are right. You know, you can't. It is the voice. I'm just going to be a cat lady. I think. Carve out that time and tool like Callan -ly will help do that. And disclaimer, I don't work for Callan Lee, Billy at lake with Callan -ly. It's just a tool I've recently discovered to say here the times that available right? I'm that works for you. Yeah. That doesn't it doesn't. But this is it this is the times that I record. You know, we released once a week here. It is. And so I highly recommend that for people. Yeah. I find up for it actually already. Because after I thought you were using. I was like, wow, this is really cool. And then Nick Picone who I work with as well. He I think he uses it. Yeah. And so he's really good. You know, he's got started this trend. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe I it's it's cool. I I just have to figure out how to use it. I am not attack person at all. I really am bad. Like, it's bad. Technology. I just don't care that much about like remembering. I get it. But I do wanna use that. Because I think it's brilliant. I do think it's a great idea calendar here the times available share the link with the person pick a date, you know, time you and. Yeah, I mean, Luke Tatum is you know, and like, thanks. Thanks for telling us about this. And those little pieces of information is really what the show's about. Am not going to hold your hand in. You know, I'm not saying you specifically. But every no one's gonna hold your hand. And do it. You know, the time is money is what I tell people, you know, and I have consulting services. If you want to be consulted with you know, a help you with that. But if a quick text message like, hey, what is this? Tell me about that. Right. Those are little pieces of information like red pilling, somebody was libertarianism. And and I think that's what I'm trying to bring to the to the movement is my knowledge technology in in digital marketing. Right. You know, web design to help folks like yourself like loop. If you have questions, I'm here, you know. And that's what this whole podcasts about right and ARCO going the the business tech in technology, plus some politics, he can't all take away from it. Unfortunately, I think that's great. Because you know, we we all want to like, I think all of us that do this are passionate about it. I mean. Yeah. You know, you don't do this. If you're not passionate, you know. And and so it's I don't know for me. I can kind of I'm kind of the type that when I'm passionate about something. I'll will I've I've gotten better about it as I've gotten older, but you know, I will sort of get all in and then everything else in life just kind of takes a back seat. And he can't do that. When you have kids like just in. So it it's it's. Difficult, and I don't want my kids to feel and I think sometimes you know, they they maybe do a little bit. My little girl saved me. Sometimes you're talking politics. Can we talk? Okay. Yeah. You're right. I'm sorry. But you know, I I'm passionate, and I wanna continue to do it and things like that really help. And and just keeping us our our real lives, you know, sweet. So that we can do this kind of thing. And I I sorta take a different tack. I don't know if it's okay. Starting five castes. I so. Not everybody should be a podcast or and I think a lot of people. Yeah. I think a lot of people think it's easier than it is for one. And it's not. And that's why a lot of people will buy a quick -ment. And then they're selling it in a few months because it is not easy. And I without my producer, Daniel Blanchet. I couldn't do this show because I am not a tech person wouldn't be doing the show. I really wouldn't. Because I you know, I I mean, I started on the radio. And then we started this podcast the radio station. There were people that did all that. Like, I didn't have to know that stuff. And so I think for one if you if you need help you need to get that help you need to figure it out you need to figure out what you can do to be consistent. And you figure out is this the best place for you like some people are not the best communicators. So should be communicating in your own life to your friends and family like, I'm not saying don't do it. I'm just saying us, you should give the most effectively there are people who. Who have podcasts that probably shouldn't have. What a lot of time and money, and I hate to see people waste their time and money, that's all it would have been way more effective using their skills. Like, you were saying as a a web developer, whatever that help people do that, you know. And so there I just want people to know there's more than one way to have a voice. And and and so podcasting is a big thing. A lot of people think they can do it. And it's harder than you think and coming up with guests and material and all that it takes a lot of time. You know, it takes it takes time and takes effort you have to be consistent. That's thing. A lot of people have a problem with being consistent. And it's it's not always easy. So I just I want people to count the cost I guess before because I'm kind of cautious person. I always I maybe sometimes over think, but anybody who's dealt with me knows. If you ask me to do something, I'm probably not going to give you an answer. Right. Then I'm gonna take at least twenty four hours like, it's it's very feel very unsettled. When I have to make a fastest about something. Because I I I want to be secure like, you can't always know where things are going to go. But I wanna know that if I'm gonna take this risk that I'm into take it. And I'm able to do what I need to do to to give it my all and I might fail, but I'm going to give it what I can. Oh, you know, sometimes it's just the season of life. You're in that that doesn't make it possible. Or if you're if you can't pay your rent, but you're doing podcast, dude. Fuck and get a job and pay your rent? Make sure you're okay before you know, like like, we gotta be wise as well. So any up -solutely? So you know, there's I wanna encourage people, but there's so much more to what you can do. Some people are fantastic writers. Right. Like, that's us. You know, I have people that have done music for me, or you know graphics, and and that's a huge contribution. Like, they I think, you know, those people don't think that they're doing very much for for liberty or whatever they really are like that's huge. It's so helpful. So I just want people to really before you invest the kind of time and money that you that you need to invest to do this. And you know, there's a lot of cost involved than it's not necessarily money too. So it's. It's something to think about for sure. I wouldn't I wouldn't disagree with you there. You know, it definitely is something to think about. And you know, the one thing I would say is, you know, give it a try. But the consistency thing is key in who I've subscribed to podcast and then like a week later. There's nothing at least have a weekly. Yeah. And that's something. I talk about in previous episodes where the guests has dropped on me. But I've got material to back up for them. And you may not find it interesting. But I'm delivering right. Hell will be something man. L or high water every Monday, you can expect the dark owing podcast, unless of course, it's a holiday Chris. But you know, if it's a normal business. We I deliver, you know, every Monday because that's something even though I have no supporters yet, you know. But I know there's whatever those two hundred listeners who are expecting something. And I'm to deliver that right? I think it is important some point and you have to be willing to. Outlast like, you're not like I'm like been doing this for two years now, and I don't make anything I have one supporter for the Sherry voluntary show and once upholster for postcards on unpatriotic, and they're wonderful, and I love them, and I'm always thankful and appreciative. And I never wanna take for granted that people give me either their time to listen to my content or their money like both of those are really important, and I need those and the shares I need people to share my content. You know, and I I really do appreciate that. But to in order to continue to grow that. And and I've been said doing this like two years now, and I'm not making anything yet. So I think they're being strides being made and links. I'm not really I'm not doing it for money. But I I am to a degree because you know, profit motive is not wrong. But I would do this anyways. But for what I want to do I have to make money in order to keep doing it. Otherwise, I need to find something else to do because it's too much. Time away from my kids to justify so, but but you know, I I've got ideas about how long I'm willing to put into it. I'm sorry two years of doing this. And and not and I'm glad you've you're willing to say that we can talk about it all flying. Because honestly, I. I want I feel like I need to help you. A lot of people feel like they need to help me. Eventually, though, I'm trying to think so as you know, I run the anarchy coffee that was that's where that started. I would consider that a success in the three months. I've stood up. I've made sales consistent each month. So that that's a product. But that's hard lot a work when finding a distributor all the graphics that you see all the labels. Those are all created by me. It's built by me. Right. The marketing, right? It's all done by me. I don't have any virtual assistance yet. That's all by me. And then I had other ideas, which was an ARCO beer, and then ARCO CBD. And then I was like all right. I'm that I need to stop. That's I don't wanna do too many. And then there was an arc owing which umbrellas everything. And it's branded right? Everything is is Brandon on that. Now granted this CBD is an affiliate program. But I've no. People who have had I can't say this guy down. Say has had you know has made money with the Phillies marketing, right? And so. So experimenting with these different thing, you know, and that's we can talk off line about this in. It's a small business. It really is. It's literally what I'm running a small business. And and the the goal is because I. The nine to five corporate grind is just got to me over ten years. And I go back to I have a skill. I have a talent that's in demand. But I am more interested in I say this a lot, but I'm concerned with the culture and the United States. I'm concerned about our political the geopolitical spectrum concern about all of it. And so no better way to do that through creativity and products that put your money where your mouth is. And that's what in our co coffee is about that's that's beautiful. I mean, that's the preneurs spirit in the need and meet it, exactly. And so this has been a phenomenal conversation. Great. Great pre she ate it. Where can people find you? Let South LA gear stuff. Okay. So I I'm wrote it down this time. Because I I'm always like, you know, just go on Facebook. And look me up and you'll see. But my my preachers like you really have to get this before you. I I want you back on the show for okay anytime. I love it. I mean, you know, I I love to talk as you can tell. No. I wanna check beginning on you in six months and say where you're at because we need to get your subscribers up. We're gonna put you on the map. Yeah. You know? I I think I've always been good at connecting with people. And so I think I am well suited to this kind of thing. You know, man, I was on the radio, and I had no training. And then, you know, the the station manager liked what I did. So I think I'm the suits me. But I wanna I wanna like I said the to make it worthwhile. So and I'm just I'm not good at plugging tell that already. So I have patriae. No, if you want to cherry voluntary, I've probably given that out like four times in the past two years. So and then there's the Sherry voluntary show on Facebook. And of course at cherry voluntary on Twitter that wasn't aching yet. Surprisingly, I and then I'm doing you mentioned Tatum that Nick mccone, we we are working together with something called freedom songs. Three sixty five. Yup. And it's a script subscription service. And I'm surely talked about this the other night. We you get to see the writing we write something every day every day. You get something in your mailbox with a song that has either libertarian principles or sort of anti libertarian principles that we're gonna talk about libertarianism on and and just to help inform people and different points of view. And it's fun. It's it's great. I took it on because or one Nick and lucre great and working with them. It's been really great. But for me, I wanna write some I wanna write more. I want to write at all. I have a really written any articles or anything, but I have a lot of ideas and a lot of things I want to write about. So I thought this is a good way to get me into that. And to get me writing every day and kind of skill little bit. And I love music. At one of the areas that I have quite a bit of knowledge in so in in popular music. So it's it's been real Vlada fine, and people are really enjoying it. So there's that too. Which is great. It's three those links and the show notes freedom song three six five dot com. And I have little L productions to which is a little production company that Allen Moseley and Mike Muhairi and myself have started we have like four four or five five programs between the three of us. So got ARCHE sports ball with Mike and Alan and then postcards from small Lia with me and Allen. And then our shows. I think I subscribed for two got God, I are key. And then it fell off my feet for whatever get back on that one. And I'd love to have them on the show as well. You know, if you want to, you know, make the connection that that's what this is about is, you know. Promoting these businesses on this show. And and getting you guys out there. Well, thank you so much beyond the show. It was great talking with you. Awesome. Well, there you have it folks another episode of anarchy going. Be sure going to go check out all the links for Sherry. And you know, check out our Facebook page. Let's give her some the love and support. But, you know, something, you know, about this podcast that, you know, got me thinking that I wanna share with you guys. You know, podcasting is tool. It's a tool to market yourself. It's a tool to get your ideas and thoughts out there. You can't expect just put out an audio file and people to start subscribing donating money to you this not the way it works. If they do then that's a bonus. You gotta start doing more than just podcast. Getting in producing videos. You know? Again. Those are just another form of blogging. I think really yes content is king on the web. But good and consistent content is key. You know, I don't want to discourage anybody from starting a podcast. But it can't be the only thing that you do, you know, get out there create e books create blog posts, create, you know, graphics create videos, you know, in ARCO ink is one slice of an asset that I own the other thing that I owned that are talk about much is W P consultant dot co which is my ward press consulting. Business that I also started. You know, I don't bring it up on much on the show because it doesn't tie in with the theme of the show. But WB key consultant dot co is essentially my web design agency where we specialize in ops vising your word press. So there are, you know, lots at different assets that you should own when you're if you're trying to, you know, look for that financial freedom the ability to work for yourself. You know, whatever it is that you're looking for for me personally. I'm looking to. Yes. One hundred percent work for myself that way, I have complete autonomy. And you know, that's just the first part me and my wife talk about maybe. Living in your RV full time, you know, it's ideal of freedom in what is freedom mean to you? It may have different meeting meanings for others. But for me, it means freedom from the state freedom from financial burdens. And you know. That's it. You know? That's all I can think of today anyways. It's late. 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"Welcome to goes ghostly. Is The bells family farm haunted goes Liza podcast that comes out every other week in each episode we take a go story or paranormal events and look into its complete history. Rebecca then gives us evidence proving that the story is real. And my job is to debate those pieces of evidence and get you. The listener prepared to vote on if it's real or not, if you haven't yet, please hit that subscribe button as always. We're your host I'm pat and I'm Rebecca, so we are finally back in ghostly studio. Yeah, like in person in person each other. It feels weird. Steer you own oh. JEEZ You know I have to say in that regard. Everything is great, but I I would like to say that. I hope everybody safe and I hope everybody has been able to take time to reflect on all these things that are going on right now, and hopefully these end up being a good times for our country where we can look back and say that was the time when we changed. Yeah, absolutely, it's. It's been a a tough fume months definitely been a tough a few weeks definitely. But like you said I really. Feel like. Great Change only comes from. A lot of. DISCHORD unfortunately. I mean when people are just kind of like me about stuff. Then nothing really happens, so we'll see but it's it's been tough, but I'm glad that we're able to safely. Be Together your record. This I hope everyone is still keeping safe out there and you keep your distance like six feet away. At least let's do like ten feet away. Yeah, that may be better. but nobody tuned into goes lead to hear our opinions on what's going on right now, so the first thing that I'd like to do is do a shout out. So there are two ways to guarantee your comments. Get read ghostly. One way is to give us a review on Apple podcast which we do have one of those, too, but the other way is to buy us a coffee on by me. COFFEE DOT com slash grossly podcast. There's also a link to it on our website. F course goes. They podcast CASTA. Absolutely, so this one is from a new supporter on by MIA. Coffee Christine, age, she says thanks for making my daily commute downtown. Go by quicker I. Love Your podcast and have listened to all your episodes more than once. I'm hoping you'll discuss. Saint James at Sag Bridge soon. As well as the crown point jail, which isn't far from my house. So that's. That's great Yes, Saint James I. Have a lot of history was saying James and I can't wait to one day. Talk About Crown Point Jail! Yeah so you think that would be things. We'd want to do down the road. Sure I mean we've talked. We've talked about these topics a little. Yeah. I'm crown point jail really just kind of brushed upon it a little. Yeah. They've come up in other episodes, so I think they might warrant. More absolutely, and we will do some research and see if we can get that out to you. So also. we did get a new review on apple podcast. This review was not our most positive, but we decided to read it online. anyways and I'm going to ask you to read it. Don't mind can do that. Now. This is still a three star review. I mean you know. Now we do ask I mean if you're gonNA. Have something negative to say if you can throw us five stars, we. Still read it. WHO's this by? PB and J.. Sandwich I love the name I mean. Name, so the title of this review is seemed Ted Petty. This isn't the first time I've reviewed this show I didn't actually go back and look at what the previous review said, but. There well, this takes it takes the place of US I couldn't do that anyways. Okay, this is the first time I've reviewed the show. The last time it was higher, but listening to the live show pat seemed like he felt ganged up on, so he resorted to childish pettiness with the constant Frankfurt. firt junk. I like saying that. Junk and even earlier, basically, giving a backhanded compliment to the man that helped helped you. Put the Fart joke. No okay. If he doesn't like being corrected. Use Google to learn how to pronounce things you're unsure of. I don't know. Maybe he was having a bad day. It was just disappointing to hear yet another paranormal. Parentheses. Skeptics. Don't search out. Go story stills into unless is under fiction, or they want to be smarter than silly. Goebel folks who believe in ghosts. And Fantasies. podcast group trash other people trying to do the same thing. All right, so you know I. I value PB and J. Sandwiches point of view and. I JUST WANNA. Say a couple of things I I believe that this review is from our live show with US law which a lot of fun on the show. Let's see there was Sula Bob and Nick Mata Ragas. And while I will say that I do my best, not to make believers feel belittled. That is never ever my goal. If I ever come across that way that is never how I feel in fact outside of ghostly when someone tells me a ghost story I listen, and I get excited to hear it I love. Go Stories. I just. I just as much respect for believers as I do skeptics, just just so you know, and as far as the other part about joking around on Nick Bob and myself we're we're. We're all friends. And sometimes we rebound each other and I understand that this can seem a little petty sometimes and I. I will definitely take that under advisement for future shows because you all don't need to hear as goof on each other like that. I mean. I like it, but I understand if it gets too much, it gets a little. Yeah, but I mean especially you a nick I, and we. We've been. We've been friends a long while, and we've done a lot of Improv comedy together and You know nick is my brother. I love him but. I, will I will definitely throw jabs at him. So I will correct your pronunciation. He will and I really don't that. That really is kind of like a joke that I have and and I probably shouldn't take bad out anyone else. I think PB and J. Sandwich actually was watching on Youtube, live. so PB and J. Sandwich. I'm sorry that you had to give us a lesser review, but just know that I value your opinion, and in no way. Am I arguing your points? You have some valid points there to bring up fact part. That's that's new catchphrase. Is Bert Vert. Vert I'm micro-climate. Part. I Don't remember you ever doing a Fart joke, but it's like that I don't condone my behavior. Though so fart jokes are bad. Okay, so we got all that out of the way. So do you have any listener now? I do do now. This is going to be a little weird, so we actually did. Call for our society where we ritual of virtual call. facebook now has like these rooms that you can do. Yes, so we'll see. Maybe we'll do another one sometime, but it was. It was pretty fun we just wanted to see was anyway, so while on their one of our listeners actually shared her she her mom was there actually and she shared a story. That's been going on in their household. So this is my transcription of what she said, so Cathy Listener Kathy. I apologize at whatever I miss or didn't didn't write down correctly. but I think I got the gist of it anyways, and it's. Just going to say, she was very disappointed in me that I didn't believe in very disappointed, because this is a terrifying story. Okay. So, this is from loser Kathy and again. This is me kind of like writing as her sort of sort of okay. So the started back last summer, so in their house somebody has in the basement has built a wall. That wasn't originally in the house. Wasn't them, but it's there. Okay, so the first thing that happened She said the first time something happened to her son. He was sleeping He felt air than no air from the air conditioner. TURNED OFF OR I. At my notes little unclear. but then. Laying in bed, he felt pressure on both shoulders. He saw a black shadow in the room with him. He jumped up, turned the light on, and it was gone now we'll say she made it very clear. At the very beginning that he was awake for all of these things her daughter after this happen got sage after talking to spiritual person. I thought you meant she got wise I know. Yeah, that's how can you could read it that way? not actual sage. They're supposed to burn Spiritual, persons had something was bothered in the house. says. It's really creepy. They saw that there were holes in the wall that had been built that had been added, so she put sage in all of the holes, and everything stopped. As you do right as you do never I find a hole in my house I. Put sage in Okay so this. This call took place a couple of weeks ago. Right so then. She said last week, so you not long ago. My son was in his bedroom, falling asleep, heard his brothers and me his mom talking outside his room, he was turned on his side, facing the wall. His face was pushed into the pillow, and he felt a hand on his face, smothering him. He wanted to call out, but couldn't. And then he used all his weight to push the entity off of himself, and he threw himself onto the floor. And he came running out of the room and asked us you know it. Didn't you hear me to hear what was going on, and they hadn't. This is where it gets creepy. This is where it's. This is where it gets really creepy, okay? They went to the wall and one of the sage pieces had fallen out. Of the House. So like nothing happened anyways. Okay, so HP. Another incident that had happened that happened recently she described, was herk Kathy and her dog. They were sitting watching TV, and she heard like little pitcher patter of feet. And Cute, it does except that it's a really old house and I guess there were lots of children in there in the past because it was used, the house was used as a camp for inner city youth. Wow, so anyways, then the dog starts to follow something with his highs. He's a bulldog. He sat up suddenly starts growling era, barking frothing, totally unusual behavior, and he's looking down to the basement right so not usual behavior. He takes off running to the basement door, but then like stops and comes back. So son goes to look doesn't see anything down there. The dog just barking and growling. And is the daughter who she had run out of sage. To add downstairs but then the dog like ran down to the basement, and the sun was like. Do not go after the dog now this is my notes, and for some reason I. Know You can't. But I'm pretty sure the dog's fine. I mean we didn't hear anything about it. Happening to the dog. But I think at this point. There may be still experiencing stuff there, so we'll have to follow up. And see what's going on. Yeah. It's. More about that, it's kind of like sleep paralysis, but different I, don't know is super creeping. It's exactly like sleep well, except for the fact that he was able to like, get up and turn on the light and stuff eventually you are. As critical! Well, thank you. Ends Mom Kathy for giving us that story If you have anything to add, please let us know. Yes, please. People and that's the message. Yeah, so. This is my least favorite part of the show. Look, I don't feel ganged up on. Even even if there's ten believers in a room and I'm the only skeptic I'm entitled to my view, you're entitled to years whatever. But this is like against me. This is a personal thing, right? What is just oh? Oh, you, except for the fact that you one like the last even last one I don't think you did know. Okay Anyway. But anyway, that's okay. okay, this one though is do goats. Ghost pets exudes. Posing. That also falls under this. Yeah, I believe. I would say yes to ghost pets exists and Yeah. You totally lost this one which I knew you would. Did on it's. Five percent to twenty five percent. I don't think I ever losses. Ever Yeah. Why knew that was coming? But you know what we? We had a fair amount of votes, so I WANNA. Thank everyone for voting, and if you want to vote on this episode, we usually put it out a day or two after the episode comes out, and you could find that on ghostly society, which is a group that we have in facebook so this look for ghostly society. It's and lately I mean fingers crossed. It's been letting us. Put It on the regular facebook page I. Don't Know How long that lasts, but it's also been there it's. FACEBOOK is weird because it's also at our our website. Yeah, it is on our website. You can go to ghostly PODCAST DOT COM click on Poles, and you could vote, and we factor that in yeah. So in this episode we'll be talking about the bell which story which when we announced that we were GonNa do this, so many people were excited about it. Yeah, I've been. This is been on my list I think since we started the show. Yeah, well. It's a very popular paranormal story for those that don't know. Some would actually say that. This is the most popular ghost story. The bellwood story is so popular that it was visited by a president. Yes, there's actually a president in the so we are talking about Andrew Jackson. He said I had rather faced the entire British army than to spend another night with the bell witch. After he and some of his troops on, because he was a general at the time, so they spent the night at Bell's farm. This is yet another thing that I. Disagree with our seventh president about. I yeah me and him have a good track record. No, no, he's yeah. So do you have go story do now? This is a quick one because I think there's so much. There's so much of the ghost story really in in the history, even but I wanted to give a little taste. Okay, okay. Papa just came in and told the wildest story today. He said he saw huge hound. So big get almost couldn't be real, he said. He said he tried to shoot at it, but it didn't hit anything. And then just disappeared. Today. I was outside and I saw a strange thing. was swinging on the old oak tree. But when I went to see who it was, she was gone. I'm sorry I haven't been writing to you diary, but we've just had such trouble sleeping the last few nights. I keep hearing a voice, but I don't know what they're saying. Last Night Papa said his bed close were tore off the bed while he was sleeping. Mama was quiet, but I can see she's troubled. I'm frightened. Every night now I am attacked. Papa calls it a witch. She pulls my hair and hits me. I wake up with scratch marks on me. Oh. I hear is howling and dogs growling outside. Our neighbor Mr Johnston says it is a demon. The pulling and scratching. Keep happening. I don't know how to make it. Stop Her Mama so scared the which keeps leaving her presence of fruit and sings to her. We don't know what it wants. I'm not sure when this will end. I pray every night that the which leaves our leaves are family alone. But. She says she was here first and we'll never leave. I guess we'll need to learn to live with this tear. While, that's that was a really good story and it kind of summed up a lot of stuff that was happening during that two so. We have a very long history cafe. So maybe we should go ahead and take our first break right now. Yeah, and when we come back, we will talk about the history towns got. So here, we ghostly, we have a new sponsor, sinister coffee and creamery. Yes, sinister coughing creamery is a shop in Portland owned by an amazing couple, Kelly and Michelle who are also super into the paranormal and do their own investigations in addition to make making amazing coffee. What's really cool is that they pick their coffee names to give insight into the deeper meaning behind supernatural and paranormal terminology. Our favourite blend is apparition. It's a medium roast with a delicious chocolates and go listeners get ten percent off when they use the code ghostly ten on their order at sinister coffee in Creamery DOT COM. And that will be in our show notes too well, so order some today and enjoy a little ghost with your coffee. All right we're back. This is be Kinda Long. I apologized to you guys. Usually we try to split up things where it's more fifty fifty. I think I'M GONNA. Do a Lotta talking this episodes. You just sit back and relax I, mean honestly it's almost like the history and the ghost story are the same. Yeah, because in order to really talk about this. Yeah, you pretty much have to tell the ghost store. Yes. I'm excited to hear you tell go straight. but just a note about something before I begin. I struggle with the term which being used, which is a term that the settlers considered to be anything that baffled. Them. So this is one hundred twenty five years after the Salem witch trials. And for some reason that term stock, and is still used even today just not as often now well, it's always a derogatory term for women. You know anytime. There's a woman that you're that they you know especially in the actions. They always not now but like. Back, then you know what I mean. It was a way of If you had a problem with a woman or they were trying to do things they were trying to get. Too much power, whatever absolutely, but there is a misunderstanding of what a witch is because during those times it was only used to describe women as you just said but there could be males that are which is, and they aren't always these dark beings that possess supernatural powers. Some might say well, aren't they? Warlocks than warlock is actually from what I understand means a betrayer of of friends, or of community. So at one time I considered myself a witch. As I was pagan and I studied wicca amongst other pagan religions. But I will keep it in this history because it's how it's no Gotcha. So John. Bell was born in edgecomb county north. Carolina John. Bell was a barrel maker. and. I've never met a barrel maker in my whole entire life. Have you ever met one? No other than Mario I don't think he was a barrel maker. A Plumber, oh. That's true he's. Over barrels in Donkey Kong. Cheese you're going way back there. John Bell was married to. Lucy Williams and they got married in seventeen, eighty, two and lucy came from a fairly wealthy family that were mostly farmers so John. Bell became a farmer then. They actually did very well for themselves as farmers. Until eighteen o one in between eighteen, a one in eighteen afford their crop started to fail and of their friends moved West. So the bellwood story pretty much begins with John Bell and moving his family from North Carolina to the Red River Bottomland in Robertson County Tennessee. Red River is now known as atoms. belot purchased some land that had a rather large house on its property. Now. If you saw pictures of the house in today's standards, you would not say it's a big house, but in those days it was a pretty big house. not an easy trip for them. As they set out in the winter of eighteen o four or eighteen o five things are a little sketchy with that. And they had to cross over mount over the mountains of North, Carolina and East Tennessee. which being in Tennessee seeing these mountains they it's huge and it would take forever. I couldn't even imagine how you would walk from there or even horseback. Before moving to Red River, they had already had six children. They had Jesse Benjamin. Dreary. John Bell Junior Esther Bell and Zach. Benjamin either died during childbirth or within the first year of life. After moving to Red River. They had three more children. So they had Elizabeth which is known as Betsy. They'd Richard and they had Joel. Now something that I? You know I feel like we should mention just because again. Can't turn away from our history. Right is that they did have slaves. They did have slaves. Yes I don't mention that in the history, although one of the slaves did have an experience right? Yes, there is I didn't mention that. The sources that I went to. They since this is the history part, and not necessarily the ghost story, even though in this one, it's Kinda intertwined It doesn't really talk about that much right. It's really it's all very very murky but anyways. I just wanted to mention it again. Just 'cause 'cause when you do reading on this, you know. Definitely there. Yeah, I mean they had well they at least head, one slave. I don't know how many slaves that's true. Good Point. Yeah, so rebecca and I have not been to. The Bell Bellecave and Tennessee, but we did visit a place called cades cove. which is in the Great Smoky Mountains National Park. It's like thirty miles from pigeon forge. Other thirty miles over there. It takes you like four hours to drive. It's. Because the mountain. So give us an idea of what the bells family cabin would look like and showed us how life was in the early eighteen hundreds in Tennessee yeah. I, so if we think of what a modern family home looks like nowadays, there's a kitchen. There's a living room bedrooms, sometimes a laundry room, right? while in the eighteen hundreds and Tennessee this was all usually the same room. I mean they might have sectioned off bedroom or two mostly for the adults of the family. That's how you can. Have you know eight kids? but for the most part the family all stay together, and what was the kitchen and living room together? So. Of course there was no bathroom too right, right? They would use an outhouse. So a day in the life of someone in this time involved a lot of work. They were all farmers somewhat hunt while the others would tend to the crops into do all the domestic work which meant cooking everything from scratch I mean there was no mix. They couldn't just you know. Break out a pancake mix and do that. They had to mix all ingredients together. Make all the bread. Do all the stuff and with children. It meant a lot of home schooling. They're lucky. There'd be a schoolhouse in a church, but getting to any other structure usually meant walking for miles upon miles on small trails. Very different. For sure. But maybe the homeschooling right now, right? Yeah! People are feeling that we could relate to that yeah. So once they got settled in, things were actually looking great for the bell family. They became successful farmers and gained some prominence in the new community John. Bell actually became an elder at the Red River Baptist Church. Now. Like that doesn't mean much to us, nowadays 'cause churches something. Maybe you do on Sundays maybe do two nights a week. Church played in much more major role in the daily lives of these early settlers. People from the community would spend most of their evenings at Church. Also churches were frequently called upon to settle personal issues such as disputes between neighbors. Life on the frontier. Right I mean again, this is. Why a Hun-. Hundred Years. Ago Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah, not one hundred one hundred day. No sorry. So long yeah. Everything started changing for the bell family though in eighteen seventeen. John Bell was out in his Cornfield and he noticed a rather strange animal Rebecca alluded to this. It had the body of a dog, but the head of a rabbit. I don't know if you knew that I. didn't I know that part? That's crazy? Yeah, this shock, John, as would anyone right if I saw a you know a rap dog. They're not rabid dog. A Rab Dog, a rab dog. Yeah. I would be shocked. John managed to finish his day of chores. And when he sat down for dinner with his family that night, the family started to hear some kind of. Beating sound on the walls outside their cabin. This this continued from evening to evening. Sometimes they would run outside to find whatever it was, but they didn't see anything. In the next few weeks, children were having trouble sleeping. They said that rats were gnawing at their. And then the children complained of their covers, being pulled from them and their pillows falling to the floor. This went on for a little while. And, then they started to hear very faint, very faint voice. Almost like a whisper. And they they said it was like older women. It was not loud enough to understand. but it sounded like women singing hymns. It got worse and worse. And Betsy, the youngest daughter began experiencing some brutal encounters with some invisible entity. It would pull her hair and slap her. It often left welts and handprints on her face and body. At first John Bell told his family to keep this a secret. I mean understandably she think obviously no one's GonNa believe you people are GonNa. Think you're not yeah. But as things kept escalating, he decided to share the story with his bff and neighbor James Johnston. Just think seriously like you better. Be Friends with your neighbors back, then man. Oh, yeah, you better get low. I mean they all. They all helped each other out right I, mean you? You need it yet. I mean even today that still the case, but like back then so you can only imagine how much more necessary when I lived in Indiana. I hated my neighbor. Things Hard Oh no I to leave the house. And if you're listening now, you can stop. I'm just. So Jane James Johnston and his wife spent the night in their cabin and witness the same things. James covered were pulled from him and he felt like he was being slapped. He jumped out of bed and yelled in the name of the Lord. Who are you and what do you want? But nothing responded. In the nights following, the voices got louder. The hymns were louder. And this was no longer just mumbling. The voices seemed to be intelligent and once seemed to quote forward to sermons. That, were that were preached at the same time on the same day, but thirteen miles apart. Yeah Right. As word got out to the Red River. Baptist Church members they decided to excommunicate. John, Bell Oh now January of eighteen, so that's a neighbor lay anymore. see this could have been related to the bewitch, or may have been because of a shady business deal that John was involved in. Some believe this is the start of the bewitch story. So, this shady business deal went all the way to the courtrooms so during this time John. Bell would have to travel the court as well. So this kind of excommunication was not uncommon for churches back then, and if time had allowed, he would probably have been reinstated at some point. Okay, they were really holding a grudge. Though you know for years, okay, but at some point they probably would have. A lot of people have incorrectly stated that this is how the bell which started. That John Bells. Chevy business deal or dispute was with Kate Bats. This was actually with Kate Bats. brother-in-law Benjamin Bats. Game? That's brother in Law Benjamin Bats. Kate Bath, brother-in-law's better that. Good job. This is where a lot of people called on the bell which entity. Kate. And in fact, in a lot of stories They say that this entity identified herself as kate well. I will not do this because it does doesn't appear to have anything to do with her at all. But if you like, you could substitute and entity with Kate as I'm saying it. It would be fine. You'll allow it I will allow you to make believe that okay. So word of this spread quickly, and even made its way to Nashville where the then Major General Andrew Jackson. Not, now, my favorite president say that. Well, he heard about it and became very interested. Now John Bell, junior jury, Bell, and Jessie. Belle had fought under General Jackson in the battle of New Orleans in eighteen. Nineteen Andrew. Jackson decided to visit the bell farm. But Jackson men had trouble getting their. Jackson's troops and horses wouldn't go there. They just stopped. Wow when they got close and of course being Andrew Jackson, he cursed out the horses. Jackson proclaimed by the eternal boy. That must be the bell witch. Sounds like something he would say yes. Then? They heard a female voice and it told Jackson that they could proceed and that she would see them again later that evening. Lousy you later. Resident Jackson wasn't president. General Miss General Jack Major General Major General. When Jackson made it to the farm, he had a long talk with bell. About the native Americans and other major topics of the day don't really WanNa, know. WanNa know either. He yeah his views on native Americans. I don't agree with at all set yeah! so one of Jackson's men's claim to be a witch Tamer. As there had to be. Days right so he seemed to have been upset with waiting so long for this entity to come back. And he took out his pistol and showed everyone a silver bullet. And he said that the silver bullet would kill any evil spirit that it came in contact with he claimed that the bellwether hasn't come out yet because it was too scared of his bullet hole, how? Well right after he said that. These things. He will. He started screaming and began jerking his body. In different directions well in he yelled that he was being struck by pins and felt as if he was beaten severely or K.. oops, that silver bullet didn't really help him. Then the entity spoke it announced that there was yet another fraud in Jackson's party. And that he would be identified in tormented the following evening. So, there's men begged him to leave. But Jackson wanted to stay like I wanNA. Know this office. They all dude yeah. So, we don't know what exactly happened, but early in the next morning, Jackson and his men were in Springfield on their way to Nashville. So, they didn't stay too long. No, no, they did not feel. Betsy the youngest daughter became interested in Joshua Gardner. A young man that lived close to them. They decided they were going to get married. In. Everyone seemed to be okay with this ball. While the entity wasn't. She wasn't okay with it. Any told betsy not to marry Joshua well. There was actually someone else that didn't like the idea to. Betsy in Joshua's former schoolteacher, a man by the name of Richard Powell didn't like it one bit. Probably because he wanted to be with Betsy Devos, it is yeah. And supposedly. He had some occult knowledge although this was never proven, but it's part of their story. And I'm also nobody in the Red River. area was aware of this but Richard. Powell was already married to women in Nashville. Name Esther Scott. Great Yeah sounds a great guy right. So Betsy and Joshua had trouble finding a spot to be alone because the entity was constantly taunting them. This isn't annoying entity, right? They ended up breaking off their engagement, but the entity was very upset and expressed dislike for John Bell vowed to relentlessly kill him. Man, so you're trying to make the happy. You can't. Betsy did go off and Mary Richard Powell her schoolteacher that was already married Nice. That's great. Yeah, right now I will say I. Did read a like a frequently asked questions thing asking someone asked if it was true that bells could not mary gardeners like people with the team. Gardner that was that was like cursed or something and the guy the researcher was like. that. There was actually a couple that was supposed to get another. Like Future Generation Bell was supposed to marry a gardener didn't happen. Another one did marry a gardner, and they had issues, and then another one got married, and he didn't know that there was anything bad about it, so if you are a bell or guard. Don't don't seek out what's going on. John Bell had experience had been experiencing some paralysis in twitching in his face. The ironic thing is that it sounds like he got a neurological condition called Bell's Palsy. It does sound like that Yeah, on this condition was not named because of him. Though although a lot of people think it was didn't even think about that I. Think made the connection. Adults adultery John Bell Bell's Palsy. I'm there. Although a lot of people think it was named after. It was discovered by a man named Charles Bell, the head child named John Bell, not the same John Bell to make things even crazier. Spoiler alert. They both died in eighteen twenty. That both both John Bells. Yeah. So, it seemed the entity, either predicted his death, or caused his death, because on the morning of December Twentieth Eighteen Twenty John Bell took his last breath. After slipping into a coma the night before the birthday, it is your birthday. Yeah I was born two hundred years ago. and. It'll be two hundred years this year for his for his. Yes, yes. upon his death, the family found a vial of unidentified liquid in the cupboard. John. Bell Junior gave some to the family cat and hold your ears Rebecca. It died instantly. Told you to hold your ears. So the entity said I gave all jack a big dose of that last night, which fixed him rule. Yeah, right John. Junior threw it into the fireplace where burst into a bright bluish greenish flame. In and shot up the chimney. Wow, yeah! Now a listener name Whitney? Messaged me and told me that she believes this substance could have been boric acid. which has been around for very long time before the bewitched story. It used to be used as a remedy in the past, but now just used to kill roaches fell. Okay looking over her evidence. It seems highly likely as it checked all the boxes. Liquid, or could be dissolved in liquid poisonous to both cats and humans has been known to cause. A Coma was available in those times would turn the flames, green or blue. Wow, if it's mixed with alcohol nothing to do with like. Do you think someone had been poisoning him? And that's because his face to do the stuff or the there were two separate things and bell's Palsy and he was poisoned, or maybe he did it himself. Maybe he took this as a cure for his both. Thought, but it is believed that he was poisoned. I've never heard of a ghost poisoning anyone though no, that seems. Yeah, but I am definitely going to have somebody taste my food before. I've made a lot of ghosts upset with There you go. John Bowes funeral was one of the biggest of Robertson County. The entity showed up again in laughed in sing. A song about a bottle of Brandy showed up at the funeral. So roots. The entity visited Lucy in April of eighteen, twenty one, but wasn't seen from the time John died until this time. Because it's work was done. Get Killed John Bell and stop the marriage between a bell and a gardener. The there you go. So yeah. So you know, the entity told Lucy that it would return in seven years. And it did as promised. When the entity returned, it spoke mostly to John Bell Junior now John Junior interesting. Had A better relationship with the entity at this point. Before John, Bell Junior actually was like the most out spoken against the entity okay. But I guess it came back to talk to John Bell Junior why I'd be a little nervous after having my dad right so it, so it talked about the origin of life of civilization of Christianity and the need for spiritual reawakening. But it also predicted almost exactly the civil war and other events. right. So the entity left after about three weeks and promised to visit the bell family descendants in a hundred and seven years. Talk about random right yeah right. which would have been? Dr Charles Bailey Bell. In nineteen, thirty five, he had written a book about the Bell Witch, and it was published in nineteen thirty four. But no follow up was published, and he died in nineteen forty five, so either he didn't get visited, or he didn't just didn't WanNa. Talk about it again. Yeah, whatever? Now. To be fair. I've said what people believed to be the story I have to. I have to be honest about the story. So are you saying that some of the things that you said? You might have some more things to say about. Yes, definitely okay, so most of what we know of the folklore story of the bellwether was given to us in a book from eighteen ninety four. Named authenticated history of the Bell witch by. Martin van Buren Ingram. That's a name that isn't Ena. He wasn't even alive during the stories as he was born in eighteen, thirty two, he was a newspaper editor, and the accounts of these events happen seventy five years after the event itself. Okay so it includes a letter dated July first eighteen ninety one. To explain. Why now was the time that this public chateau? It was from former Tennessee state representative. James Allen Bell. James Allen is the grandson of John Bell and the son of Richard William Bell. Little Richard. the letter stated that the family didn't want any information to be released. Until after the immediate family members of John Bell Senior had died. Okay, and a lot of Ingram's book was believed to be from a manuscript written by Richard William Bell. Who was six to ten years old during the original encounter and seventeen when the entity returned in eighteen, twenty eight. Okay, so rebecca I copied a poem from the book. Would you mind reading that for us? Is called Queen of Haunted del. I will do best good luck. Thank you. All Right Queen of the haunted del. Mid Woodland bowers Grassy del by an enchanted murmuring stream. Dwelt Pretty blue-eyed Betsy Bell. Sweetly thrilled with love's young dream. Life was like the magic spell that guides and laughing stream. SUNBEAM's glimmering on her foul kissed by Lunar Silvery Gleam. But ELFIN FANTOMAS cursed the Dell and Sylvan witches, all unseen, as our tail will truly tell wielded sceptre or the queen. So. Yeah, that is from. That from Ingram's book, authenticated history of the bellwether, which would came out in eighteen ninety four base. So going back to that. It was written by Richard Bell Richard William Bell. No one has ever seen the original manuscript. And there is no evidence that it ever existed. There is speculation that betsy actually made up the entire story. And in fact, this was written in a newspaper article dated before the book came out in eighteen, forty nine. And since there was no firsthand accounts for Ingram to talk to some, if not all those events may have been completely made up in fact, betsy sued the newspaper for posting that. Okay, so let me get this, so betsy sued the newspaper for Printing. The saying that she made up saying that she made up the story I Gotcha I gotcha got okay interesting, even the accounts of Andrew Jackson being at the farm may have been completely made up. As there is documented history of all of his movements that time and it never plays anywhere near. farms so there's kind of like through that in there. Yes. Maybe, I don't know. It happened so long ago I've no idea but also to so Andrew Jackson went for President I believe in eighteen, twenty four. And during the debates now these debates were like really brutal, and in fact, it was a very brutal debate. It isn't like debates nowadays Oh. Maybe it is on. But they like slammed each other. They would use everything that they could. His opponent will have used that. He was scared of a of a witch. Use that against him in never did. Never any documentation of that. So the bell family home is long gone. But there was a cave on the property, this cave is said to how some of the artifacts from the family. And also there is a story linked to it where betsy and a couple of friends explored it. One boy got stuck, and the entity said I'll get him out after freeing the boy, the entity scolded the children for recklessly exploring the cave. You can go there. Though as tours are offered at the cave now and also they did a replica house Ab- RAPA Kevin, cabin! Yes, you can also tour. Yeah, yes. So that's what I have for the history. Is there anything you'd like to add to that well, not necessarily. I mean this is maybe we'll get into this a little bit with some of the debate things but. Just in general, I think the history is difficult to towns like you know what I mean like the source material for this history is very shaky. In, you know so to really know for sure. What happened? I think is hard. Anything that happened two hundred years ago. If it's not like a president or something, there's nobody there to really take down these stories and their past word word of mouth, right and I mean these stories have been passed around a lot I mean obviously everywhere, but especially in that that area of the country for a long time, and we know what happens in the game of telephone. Everyone's played. Absolutely. You know so. It's hard to know. What stories are you real or based in truth versus just made up for something to be interesting? Yeah, so I mean I know this sounds like I'm on the Tash team skeptic side. We're not actually debating the Bell witch you've got. We're not kind of where you come in and Here's the thing to If you want to further research this, you're gonNA, have to hunt around for it. but Bob of Bob. After dark did a great episode on Wj OB. For it which I think you could find on his facebook. 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All Right Rebecca you ready for this debate. Let's do this okay. I'm sure you have some great evidence I do so. Let's explain what we're debating. Really because I think again. It's a little different this episode because of the nature of things so. The question that we're debating is is the bells family property for harm hunted so I thought you know as we talked about. Before the break, it's difficult to. Really, know for sure what's true and what's not? From two hundred years ago, absolute right so I thought instead. I'm going to look for evidence of people today that visit the cave. And the land that are experiencing paranormal activity. And we debate that so you know I have no evidence or idea if Whatever may have happened to the bell? Family is the same as what's happening to the people today. Sure, you know we can see some parallels to some things, but other things. No, so I'm not necessarily claiming or not claiming. That it's the same well. How would you rate the the Bell Witch Story I? Think that's a good a good way to. To start things you know to me I. Mean again after kind of looking at what I've looked at. You know I, give it like a like a six. Okay, so you're still pretty high up there. Though well for me, that's actually. I mean in that I mean it's A. It's an ancient. Native American or indigenous peoples burial ground, and we didn't even talk about. We didn't even talks about. Lately but The entity sent them on a wild goose chase trying to find like she said that it was on a native American burial ground, and sent them to try to find some treasure that they never found. But there there is evidence of like A grave that will in the gave that was somebody took the bones and never return them. Let's be honest. There's a lot of native American burial grounds that we don't know about. Yeah Well Again A. A lot of paranormal activity out there. You know so so again I don't know that I. I'm so glad I'm not necessarily claiming that the entity or the things that are happening today or exactly the same as what happened in the past, but I think that there's been stuff happening on that property. Yeah, again I. Don't necessarily know that I believe that the in fact I, I would give a one BIEB even zero to the idea that this entity killed or poisoned. John Bell Yeah I you know so for me. I'm going to have to go with the zero. Because for me, all of the things that seems to have happened. All the people were already dead. When you know, the story was fully released, some of the information came out beforehand. There were some people that they talked to. That were alive during that time, but it's not first hand accounts. And I, think a lot of the stuff could be explained as murder. Almost you know I believe that John Bell might have been poisoned by a family member or one of the slaves. I mean there's there's definitely some. There's a Sakic out there. That claims that it was one of the slaves in revenge for. Betsy being abused and there's a movie that kind of explore some of that. There's a lot of movies that touch upon this like the Blair. Witch sure is kind of in reference to this kind that there's no evidence of any of that, but that would explain why she had bruises and cuts season, and it may be made up this elaborate story to then cover everything up totally possible now I will also say though I. Mean I think you know we've heard this sometimes and other stories and we absolutely will in the future girls. At that thirteen. Fourteen young adult age. can generate a lot energy and draw a lot of things to them, so you know. Again, there's just so much there, but I I doubt a lot of it. Okay, yeah, that's fair that part, but these are some interesting stories that I have found that recent the more presentation exactly. People taking the tours that kind of stuff. I can't wait to hear what you have to say. Okay, yeah, awesome I, so first evidence. Is. Voices in the cave. Okay, so I've read many accounts of people who claim to hear voices when they are in the bellwethers cave. One of them was ghost adventures. Okay everyone's favorite. TV show. In their episode, they heard a voice say, and they have a recording of these Listen to me and here I come. There's also an amateur paranormal investigator that I read her account, and she said she heard children's laughter in the cave. Okay so what I'm going to say about that. Is I'M GONNA. Take this in a couple of different directions. Here the voices in the cave part just in general. It's a cave. There's echoes I don't know how big the cave is in itself but there's GonNa be echoes in the cave, and also it could pick up things from around the area and echo those and make them louder so even if you didn't hear the initial one, the echo could actually be louder in the cave than what it originally was. My other thing is about ghost adventures I. Know You're going to. Talk about that later. Right so maybe I should wait on. I think there might be some more goes into stuff, but that's the big one I think for them. okay yeah. Yeah so have you ever noticed? and. Maybe this is all just a big coincidence, but have you ever noticed and every ghost adventure? They always get evidence. Always some of it is like. Just spectacular evidence. How many episodes would you say that there are of Ghost adventure I? Don't know it's a lot. They've been in a long time. They've been on a really long time and. Never do they failed to bring us the evidence? What I'm thinking though is that? Would we continue watching this show if there wasn't if they're like this is something spooky, but nothing happened to us there. No and Nick was on ghost adventure as see. We've brought that up a couple of times, and he actually kind of said that they might be faking some of the stuff now. He said he saw a few things, but he you know he wasn't there when they were filming a lot of the stuff, so he said that he saw people get into shadow people costumes. To Make Shadow, people in the gay see episode. So, I guess that could still be though for like promos and stuff like I. Don't remember the gates episode them ever claiming to see shadow people they did. They did towards the end I've watched it a couple times. Anyway because my good friend, nick was on it. Who I will never say a bad word about again and go sleep part. All right, so it's interesting. Right? Okay, but again they weren't the only ones to hear voices. That would just be what I would say, but I also said that it could be echoes Oh. Yes, yes, okay. I think I explained that pretty well. Would you like to rate your rate? This evidence Oh yeah, yeah, zero zero. I'M GONNA. Give it a six again. Not Super High with that because I think you're right with a cave. You there could be like one person says something at one end. You didn't see them. Say It, but maybe it travels so it's possible, okay. Evidence number two, so there's been a lot of TV shows that have investigated this site. Well, it's a super popular goes it is it is so on the show cursed on and. they had a lot of weird emf readings, as it goes through adventures and the amateur investigator that I mentioned and then I just doesn't there. They also had a lot of growling in the cave, so weird maths and growling will again the growling could be because of the echoes in the cave that it could have been something from a distance that. The, cave, just kind of echoed sound of something could be like. We were in Bachelors Grove in those trees. That sounded very weird. It could be something like that. It could be explained by nature but the M. F. readings. Now. You guys might not know this. But I don't believe in those things I. Don't believe in EMF's or Or spirit boxes, or all those things because they could be manipulated, and also to here is the very interesting thing, if if we're using a piece of mechanical equipment even if it's Q. Seed, we cannot replicate that all the time if you gotta reading from one spot at one time, you're not gonNA. necessarily. Get that reading again now. We could say that the entity moved makes perfect sense, but. When we're talking about some piece of equipment like this, it should be able to be replicated. We should have some way of being able to prove that it works, and there's no evidence that proves that these things work now see for me. I would feel the opposite or I would feel I do feel like if every time you go to a space, the EMF reader goes off exactly the same. That to me is like okay well. Actually there are some. You, know energy or whatever you know some sort of source, right? That's always here verses, if it's an entity than it wouldn't always be in the same place, so the fact that the reader doesn't always go off every time I will also say I think I I didn't make this clear without to the amateur investigator. Lia Math was in the. The replicated cabin. And the others were I think in still I've i. feel the same thing and you know here's something that's rare for this day and age. I believe INSCI-. Yeah I know right I believe in science, and as so if if I were going to say. That Something causes something to happen. I would have to be able to replicate that. I would have to build a duplicate that and show that every time that this happened in order to prove that. That actually works and. There's no way to do this with an m F. so therefore it. It seems like a very scientific thing. Right because you're using some kind of device. But. It's not based in any science at all. Well I. think There's people that would argue that, but I please. We'll no, I, would just I mean it is? It is reading energy. I mean you can use that. To I. Mean We know that sometimes? When there is magnetic energy that can cause people to hallucinate, or you know what I mean. That's something that a real paranormal investigator is going to always look for if there's a natural source like a you know sort of as you can find of sure things going on. But, if you look and you can't find any of those sources than you have to ask yourself what is generating, but there's. All over the place all the time. Yeah, but not always in one spot, but it doesn't always set off the. This is interesting. Yeah, like even even if I held it up to you, it's not going to necessarily generated every single time. So why would do it with a ghost? So, why would it be? Come in different form of they. Your ceiling energy from the world in order to take to show up at energies in you, though right not necessarily or i. have this other things blocking that energy? Bob's not here to explain all this science you are. What would you say is your reading? This is gonNA. Be a tough one I going to say zero. An think I gave plenty of evidences to why. I'm and I'm going to say I'M GONNA. Say Zero. No I'm going to say a sex again. Again six is your way of saying zero. It saying that I do think that it's weird, but I'm not totally convinced by. It will okay, so five is like It's fifty fifty could be real. It could be not so. You're saying that it's greater than. Just. It's greater than just by chance. Yeah, because I think there's too many people that have had this happen and there's something going on. There's a okay this is power point. There's a Ley line. There's something going on in this place. Let's not talk about power points at. All right, Evidence summer three all right I'm ready. Okay, this is another show. Okay, called haunted live. Woo Live all the time. I don't know I've never watched it other than on Youtube. Though it was interesting, because basically they were having a ton of problems with their equipment so everything that they taped, but lost so they re reporting on what they saw. So I mean, there's a bunch of things and you meant you said I should list them all off. And then you've got to reassure okay so supposedly they had like those cameras that are like the heat. Seeking heats cameras or whatever. and. They saw a creature that was a shape shifter started a spider, and it morphed into a more of a human form. Okay, they heard screaming. That was a leaky. Screaming in the woods. Around them. They also heard coughing coming from the woods. Okay, maybe maybe cove Ed there. I know this is before Cova. Oh and then They had cameras like mountain in the space that we're like totally secure, and the were like moved. They get shaken or something and they're like nothing could have just done that. There was nobody there. and it wasn't like the room was shaking or something and then the one that I got punched in the back of his leg and he could still feel it still bothering him. Wow well, so they talked about all this, they didn't show any. No, they're not show any it. So the heat signature thing showing as like creatures and stuff. That's our interpretation of heat. And what it looks like, it doesn't mean that it that it was a spider that became a person. It means that that's what they imagined that it looked like and we are great as we all know here. We are great at picking out shapes that we identify. So I believe that okay. Maybe there was energy, but that could be explained by a lot, or maybe there was heat, but that could be explained by a lot of different things. I wasn't there I. Don't know I can't even watch the evidence. All I could do is listen to them. Tell me about it. Yes, and Therefore I am going to say. I think that's B S. Sorry haunted live. You're more than welcome to come on the show and prove me wrong, and so these things so I will say again. They you know it's hard because you couldn't see it yourself but it was I. don't know. They were believable sounding but. You know again. It's a TV show and without me seeing it. And we'll say was a little harder. However, a lot of the things that they talk about are things that have also happened. In other. Like all I, know I just picked a few examples of this and for everything that I say there are other multiple examples of people telling similar story. Sure so you know there certainly Other people that claim similar things. So was this in the cave itself. yeah I believe there was stuff in a cave, and then also on the property okay. Like the the screaming lady and Coughing Lady? Those can be attributed to different animals or like as I said again, the bachelor's grove trees were creaking. And it sounded like doors opening up. Almost I mean it sounded like if you go back to that episode's otherworldly and listen to that. Yeah, it was really really creepy, but. All of our listeners have not all of some of our listeners have actually written in to tell us that that's just creaking woods, and that's what it sounds like sometimes and sometimes I could see that it would sound like a lady screaming. It could be an animal could be a bird. It could be some kind of mammal and the coughing you know. Maybe. There's some smokers over there I don't know. Punched in the back of his. Was the weirdest thing I know. All right, so, what would you rank this evidence? Let's go. I I'm going to give it a zero, but I really hunted live. If you are listening, please contact us. I Really WanNa Talk I have some questions about this I. Don't WanNa just. pooh-pooh idea or Your idea. Well I will say in some ways. They seem much more legitimate than the advent. Mister Baggins I mean I don't know though I again. There is actual evidence with that one so No, so this one. I'm actually going to do a five. WHOA. Yeah, because again. It's like they seem believable, but I didn't actually seen a six six five. Yes, I know. This is a weird one all right, but wait till the end, but we've got one more before the end. Okay is this is number four? So these last two are from a website. It's felt witch story dot com slash encounters, so these are stories that people submitted that they've had encounters with the which okay. So this is from the website itself. I'm reading. This is Rick White, the writer and director of the movie The bell witch haunting he wrote. A few years ago, while conducting research for script that would later become the bell witch haunting I was walking near the ocean of the cave on the bell property with a fellow writer, we were walking right beside each other with no one else around. Everything was quiet when suddenly we heard a woman angrily whisper over our shoulders, writer ears. Why are you doing year? We, both quickly turned. No one was there. A. While okay I, you know. I know people get upset with me when I say stuff like this, but he's a writer. Director of a movie called the Bell Witch Hunting. If, he didn't have some kind of paranormal. Experience there, it would seem weird if he was just like you know, but when I went there, nothing happened. He's GonNa have some kind of. You know paranormal experience whether it's made up or whether it's exaggerated to suit the needs. I. I. I don't know what to say. I don't really have a rebuttal because I wasn't there. I didn't hear it. but I just find. It highly suspect because of the nature of who these people are. Now I WANNA, Watch the bill which huntings I wanna I hope you know that this is a fictional movie. Though right, I believe so. But I think based on the story I you know I would still like to see it I I prefer documentaries about these kind of things but. Without seeing it, I have no idea. I mean it's funny like I want to think the way that you do as far as it being You know just something that he made up but I. I don't know there were a lot of. The fact that he was with someone else that he was working on a script. That wasn't even necessarily. It became the bell, which ma-maybe became the bell witch after this experience that he had where they're gonNA make like back to the future for Sunday. Sunday. And then he changed his mind, so it seems a bit creepy and very I don't know more voices well since I cannot. Validate what they're saying I'M GONNA? I'M GONNA. Give it a two why it's yeah. I'M GONNA give it to. Dan, I, really don't believe it happened. But I really can't say much against it because I wasn't there, so I have to give it something, oh. It's the highest I've been a long time that is, it's been a long time. Yeah, I mean I'm going to give it a seven so yeah. Yep again there's something about it. So. We gotTA last one here. Okay, okay, so this is again from that same experiences website a woman with the initials L. E. writes about visiting the cave with her daughter. WHO's fourteen? Her son, who has four daughters friend? She felt it was creepy. From the time they arrived after they made it to the back of the cave with the tour, they lingered behind while the tour went ahead and she took a photo of her daughter and her friend. Here's what she describes then happens all of a sudden, some kind of super strength power just picked me up off my feet as I was snapping the picture and threw me down on the rock floor like I was raggedy Ann. I was totally days for what seemed like a few minutes, and I heard a voice telling me to. Get Out of here. All the people around me were asking like Oh my. Are you okay? Some help me up. As I stood I was like what just happened. Others were asking what happened. What made you fall? I was like I. Don't know, but I was just standing there and there was no explanation for what happened. We went on with the tour. And hayride, but I had a weird feeling for the rest. Rest of the night, and even for a while. She then says when she got her photos devote the next day so I'm guessing. This was a little while ago. that this happen she saw a strange image to the right of the frame. It looks like with this has been the photo she took. It looks. She says like a transparent ghost of a woman in White. She doesn't say that, but I'll let us. ooh, okay so. I'M GONNA. Go with what the people around her. Were feeling with this one you know. They felt like she fell down. I believe she did I believe. She fell down in couldn't explain it. Their Times I. Fall Down I fall down a lot actually explains a lot about me I. Think. But Yeah. I mean it's an embarrassing thing And I believe that to write it off as some. Some entity because you're in a strange area I. mean this happened in the case of the Cave Yep. Yeah, well I'm imagining that it's kind of slippery rock. So, that's how I imagine it. It's. It's still rock. You know it's very easy to fall and Yeah I I believe. That's what happened in the picture that she took with the ghost of a woman. Cameras can do this kind of stuff all the time. I wonder if this was digital photography. If this was thirty five millimeter, both have their own reasons for this kind of thing happening. Yeah I just. To me, it's a woman fell down got a weird picture, but pictures don't really tell you the exact story. This was a really creepy one. This was the creepiest one for me I'm sorry. Yeah, no, because to me like again, you know if something pushed you, something grabbed you and lifted you up and like push you down lake. Who deals her get picked up, but they were ahead. Remember so that they were so like the tour was move. It was leaving and they stayed behind. Take a picture, so they like heard probably yelling and then came back, so it wasn't like they just knew she fell. They didn't necessarily see her fall and then the creepy picture the next day I. Mean this is just a woman putting this on a website like and she used her initials. It's not like she's trying for Fortunate Heyman Glory. Mean like for me. I find it more believable because. Okay. So. What would be your rating for the submarine? For? This was an eight eight. Okay I'll give it a one. Okay Seems odd that she would feel that way, but you know what I could understand that since I've fallen so many times. That sometimes it feels like you know. Man There's nothing I could do. You know I just. Yeah I, one time fell with the stuffed pizza. My hand in dislocated my pinky. Very anxious for that pizza. Pizza didn't make. My pinky still messed up so. anyways, yeah, I'll give it a one all right so then pat after all of this evidence. Yes, all of all of it. What would you say is your overall rating for the Bell? Family property being hunted. I'm going to go with A. One! Oh Wow. That's pretty high. That is pretty high for you. That's. Interesting. Would you say Rebecca after all the off? You know I'm GONNA say. This is really hard. I'm GONNA say like a like a safe heaven. Going six. Six and a half I was going to go six half. Maybe okay, I'll find. I'll go with a six and a half. No I'm going to go seven. I'M GONNA. Go Seven I. Go with what you. Want. That's what I'm. GonNa say all right well. That brings us to our closing arguments. This is our last chance to convince you to vote our way. We're each given one minute of uninterrupted time we will time each other on our cell phones to keep each other honest and Rebecca. Are you ready I? Am Ready. Aright and Go, all right so I do believe that the bell family property is haunted you know. The psychic that I spoke of earlier talked about how it wasn't necessarily the bell family that was haunted. It's the property that they just happened to be one of the ones that disturbed it, and therefore had some things happen to them which we don't even know exactly what that was. I! You know the fact that there is so much still happening today and the fact that you know these investigators do feel things they do find things that so many stories are similar a lot of people here these same voices. A lot of people feel like they're ben pushed We're touched in some way. that there's a lot of stories of of emf readers going off or Again the same investigation different people at different times to me. Just. It, there's a lot that says that there is something going on that property i. don't know exactly what I don't necessarily think. It's just a witch. All. That's your time. I was my time. You went over by like a smidge. Yeah, I did. And even extra I'm okay. I'm good all right. Are you ready? Okay and go. So if we look at the Bellwood Story. As a whole, we have serious doubts about its history. That transcends to everything that. You know we're trying to make it seem as if that doesn't mean anything to these modern day stories, but it does. If there was no bell witch. then. What's haunting this area? What's there what happened? If you have doubt about the actual bellwood story, it's hard to believe any of these other stories even happened. This is notorious. This is a famous spot for being one of the most popular ghost stories. Anything that happens. There is going to be magnified, and people are going to blow it out of proportion and blame it on this. Bell witch. I don't think it happened. Twice Nice leave good timing. Thanks, thanks, that was good I ended like a second or two early just because you. Just to prove I could. So I. WanNa. Thank everyone so much for listening. Please share with your friends and family as word of mouth is our best advertisement. 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Yes that's the big birthday shout out. But but I would I was GONNA say was that I'm going to read the email. Shout out in the intro today. So there's going to be altro but other fun. Things that we have coming up at the end of the year will be a best of episode. So I want you to send me your favorite moments. You do that. Four things with Amy Brown gmail.com and then we also have a special joy like pimping joy episode and honor my mom because as my mom was born on December nineteenth which happens to be a Thursday. So that's funds or something really cool with that episode and spread some joy and my sister is going to be recording it with me so I can't wait for you all to hear that but let's get to the email shout out and then we will get to my anti downs sit down. I think y'all are going to enjoy so so much and I think she'll definitely be like probably what your favorites that could be added into. Maybe the best of episode. Or maybe just something where you'll want to listen to wouldn't take some notes or something or order some of her books because she's just super awesome. So here is the shoutout from Ashley in Boston. Hey Amy I wanted to send you a message and tell you how much I've enjoyed your podcast over the past year your Tricia Earwood Bob. Goff interviews have been my favorite but I love them all. I appreciate eight all the little things that I've learned and been introduced to on the show. I love when you have friends and family onto. Thanks for being a bright a bright spot in my week. And I can't can't wait for all the other episodes to cotton so Ashley this this is like just a short and sweet little one our email that I pulled because I thought it just meant and a lot that she's I can tell she's listened to all the episodes and she appreciates it and hopefully all appreciate even when I ramble right. Elizabeth AH ANDRO rambling that. It's just a crazy day here so I'm GonNa go ahead and say goodbye. And thank you for downloading listening rating reviewing. And here's I okay. This is exciting. I told you all that any downs was. It's going to be coming out my podcast and today's Day she's here it's happened. Read the House and we were joking because it's above my garage that I'm kind of like basically you're basically this armchair her expert Nashville exact. Yeah Great and then as Ana Nargess Chattan before we started recording. She revealed to me that she is going to be an extra in Dan. Yes and the hallmark Christmas would be. That's being filmed at Dollywood in I was approached about being an extra and I couldn't go because of some work conflicts but hi mark dying. You are going to be there. I mean we are you and I are the center of the Ven Diagram of this dollywood and hallmark Christmas movies. That is I. I was born in the center of that. Ven Diagram will live there every day and so I can't believe this is happening. I mean you're you're living it up for me. I'm going to watch and cheer you on like I noticed that you so many pictures. You're one step closer to being like you know a a castle officially part of it more the US extra. Your food is in the door. I'm about to fall in love at at Christmas is what I think is going to happen. You do then. I need to work at the coffee shop. That's right we'll keep rotating through the storyline. Yeah what else. We just became the women who like we said to our friends who are listening every once a year you can see in the background of a movie and we'll tell you which one but that's all we're going to tell you and we are. I am so content getting paid dollywood tickets and just being an extra. I think that's such a degree I know. It's like a bucket list saying like well. How many years did you make it as an extra ullmark solid right right? That's my hope. Twenty nineteen We like to dream. Big Guys Yeah. That's right. These are goal. That's right so we'll have like just dreaming big I. I don't know much about your early days of you. Getting into who you are and being an author and speaker and doing all the fabulous things that you do now now that being into a blog to a podcast to all the things and people just just adoring you have to say I get. I wrote a little note that listeners request you all the time. I wasn't some some people. They've never been requested. Yes that's right because you know people I love you and wanted to have you on but also to it was people whenever I just throw out there like. Yeah who's shy and it's always like oh to see if you can get and really the last month or two that we've had on the calendar I've been able to reply. I know we need to trade these. You need to come on. That sounds fun too because when you posted about it you posted. We're going to be in the same place. And it was like she coming on that so I was like yes. She is twenty twenty so we'll go tracy's and go back. Yeah I won't come on. So how like what age did you know or when did you feel the tug on your heart to get into what you're doing and explain to people that might not know. I know everything that you do and all about like that part of you. Yeah you know the funny thing is amy as I am. Kind of. Just have one skill I entertain people till they learned something. That's all I've literally literally ever been able to do. I used to teach elementary school and so that growing up. That's what I wanted to do. I thought I would be the teacher who was in the classroom my whole life like I thought that would be what I would do forever and what ended up happening is I was helping with lead the youth group at my church and I started writing. I can see you being so good at. That was so fun I love. I love teaching too. I taught fourth and fifth grade. I just loved it. I still love this. I'm friends with a ton of them on facebook and I talked for five years years and so I just have one hundred eighty now adults. They're in their twenties. who were ten year olds when I knew them? I and I just adore them. But I I start writing really started as like serving. The community is already in by writing for the youth group girls and said this whole thing. This whole career is there's very much a okay. That sounds fun okay. That sounds fun and just moving into the next segment. I work hard and I'm driven and motivated so it's not like I just like fall into the next thing but when writing books started into the I wrote my first book in two thousand six when writing books started it was purely like Oh that that would be fun to try try. I love books. One of my grandmothers was a librarian and the others owned a bookstore and so it was just like we didn't watch TV at my house. I spent my Saturdays at the bookstore. I mean I just I have loved books forever and so that's really. What got me started so I started writing in two thousand six moved to Nashville in two thousand eight just kind of felt the maybe you the best way to put? It is an invitation from God until like move in to try something new and I was single at the time in my mid twenties and I was like well if I'm going to be poor. I'm in this isn't gonNA work at least it'll just be me who's hungry and not like a family of people that I'm trying to care for and moved here in two thousand eight and spent the first few years doing doing all sorts of jobs trying to get published. I mean I worked at local TACO. I worked at. Yeah it was delicious. Kids are so disappointed. The local talk in our neighborhood. I know Doubt Gone I know the the olden days I know I did that. I worked at nonprofits like the Mo- club and able that you know really well I mean I did ed all that kind of stuff trying to become a published author and it. The short version is The book got picked up by a publisher in two thousand twelve and speaking came along with it because as part of the deal with the publisher promoting. Yeah and they. They had bunk on bus for a teen girl tour war as part of the sponsorship. The publisher had with the tour so he said. Will you be the speaker that represents our publisher and I was like. Yeah so I did that for two school. Here's where I was gone. Two thousand twelve thirteen thirteen fourteen. We did two weekends. Mif of this team girl tour. And and then as I. I grew in my own age and in my own life my writing left writing for teenagers and has become where I write for adult men and women. Now we're Is this bothering you. By the way you're dangling earrings hear them. I mean I don't think so if you're worried about I'm going to make him a little bit. Sorry everyone my to be concerning to boozy with airings so now in two thousand nineteen I ru ar are companies called downs Books Inc.. There's really three buckets. I still write books. It's my I love. I love writing. I love what it takes. Avak look do tomorrow you here right because I'm in any game seven and we're like yeah that'd be fine. Let's get out of the office so when you now just going through your books like so like people that write specifically for the like. Sometimes when you're progressing in your writing and your return to writing in your shifting do you ever look back on like I just remember Jin hat maker saying something one time about some of her early books that I read a long long time ago. And she's shifted a lot and some people say it's maybe not their company. I I appreciate her her shift and her how she has with it but I mean I think she's even said I go back. I can read some of the early stuff I wrote for women and I'm like Oh my gosh. was I writing right Sometimes authored. That's a that's a vulnerable place. It's a real problem. I want to know the stuff still out there that maybe and I'm not saying that's the case it is there. There are things well the thing I have to do. The only way I keep from just going going insane about that kind of stuff is go like okay. I wrote my first book when I was twenty six. I know that Aunty at twenty six was doing the best she could she she. She did not know what anti thirty nine knows. She had not been through. What anti at thirty nine of has been through? And so what I'm writing today is is better better but what I wrote back then was the best I knew and so there is changing in in some of the things I think there's there is growth in me as a person but the upside of that that's true for Jan.. That's true for me. That's true for anybody who puts out work that gets for lack of a better word memorialize like a book dies it because it will not change. Is that if you take time and read the the whole library you will see the growth in the author and you you will see the author change in in be with you so versus going. Oh I like this I love maker. I'll go back and start at her first one but I'll only read that one then. You're like well that that's not the woman. Yeah I know. Well that'd be true for any of us. If we went back and read your journal from two thousand six it would be so different than your journal Than Twenty nineteen and so I just give myself a little bit of like she did the best she could with what she knew. And so I'm grateful for the way I have grown and changed. I'm grateful writing better I'm grateful that stories are better better but I can't punish her for not for not knowing what she didn't know now that being said there's also authors his who pull books and go. We can't publish anymore because it's so different than what I believe now so it has to stop. Wow and I didn't know that you have There's a guy named Joshua Harris that has a book called kiss dating goodbye that Kinda ruined a bunch of people's teenage lives and he's pulled it in the last few years he's had people can Google and read all about what's going on with him right now but he's had a real shift in his faith but but he is stopped publishing that book because he feels like it. It was more damaging than helpful. Oh Wow I had no idea. But I'm pretty sure. That circulated through my entire church. Were sure it all of us. Anybody who was reading in the nineties and was trying to date eight was reading that and As far as I knew especially so so that you can get stuff pulled. I don't feel that way about my work I feel like take. It shows that there's growth but I'm grateful that it shows growth because that's truthful Yeah so what what book what's due tomorrow. And is that coming up. It's not coming out until January of twenty one. Here's why here's the trick. You know anything about writing. This is a trick. No one wants to release around the election next. Aw so you're GONNA see a real gap or real dip in releases October November compared to what we saw this year And what you'll see the next year because it is hard. There's going to be so much noise already that it is hard for a book to get what it deserves as far as to give it a chance to get to get the right hands and so a lot of people are releasing early. You'll see a my my a forecast for twenty twenty is you'll see a bigger push books in August and September in January February whereas this year upto October is a killer month for books. Always Release Times so what you will see release next fall are really famous authors and then some people who are newer probably that that will fit in that space. That aren't trying to get national media or aren't trying unless it's a the Obama releases a book or someone like that. It's like well. No yes we're all GONNA listen anyway. So that's why it's so long from now and do you. Are you saying anything about what it's about. Yea I'll tell you I'll tell you amy. We don't totally know the title yet. I have one working in my heart but I feel like it could get me in trouble if I if I just announce it but The idea is what keeps happening to me because my podcast called. That sounds fun as people want to talk about fun with me and they want me to be the judge of their fun and they want me to be their coach. They want to know that what they are already doing. Fine do you think this. And here's what I do for fun. And they tell me and then they wait and I go. That sounds fine. Yeah you're right probably great super and then but then I go but have you ever thought about doing that in a costume or have you ever thought about doing that in Virginia or have you know like yeah you can tell that they want but the thing we're looking for me when we're looking for fun as we feel like we've lost something we can't tangibly get our get a word around of knowing what it is and we all feel that a little bit that feeling of like something's missing and it's not just like in God fills is that whole. That's not what I'm saying. I think even faith people can go. Why am I so nostalgic about stuff yeah? Why am I so sentimental? Sometimes and and I think there's a bigger thing that we've lost and that we've locked in. I don't know if we find it but fun is our gateway to it and so the book is about how. How do you pick up the crumbs that we're experiencing to figure out what you've really lost? Okay and then navigate some fun. Yeah that's right so now some fun so now that we've met my friends like I can just like yes. I'm like. Yeah I mean the answer is always yeah and you make it yes ask but you make it more fun. I'll help for sure and you already because I know I mean we share one billion friends and our all of our friends are people people in this may be a privilege point of view. I'm aware that we are people who make time for each other and who do fun things together and think of each other. When it's the time to do fun things and and I think that's I think intrinsically are are greater friend? Group here in Nashville are people who ooh value having fun as a part of like this Nicole Clawson is he comes to my mind. Yes gaillon is your carpet. She's yeah she's Her Epitome of fun yes she is about cultivating environments where people have a better time than they thought they were going to have so. She's the person that when she invites you to do a party. You don't go well let me see if my other friends are going to be there you go. Yeah I'M GONNA go because a probably someone will be there but be. I know that Nicole has created something. That's GonNa make me feel like maybe this thing isn't as lost as I thought it was and every time it's true it's true with her and and so I- Yes. I will help help you but I also think you already do it because I know I know I see your family your friends I know I could use a little bit of work. They'll that's encouraging every time you know I have someone on. I feel like you know whether it's for somebody else's or literally for me myself. I take away that like. Oh yeah you know what. Sometimes I do get lost in like the muck of and it's just I feel stuck doc in like not. I'm not even trying to cultivate fun. Yes in memory and you almost. That's what how you for for some personality types. You have to choose to sit down and do the work because the fun comes naturally for some people you have to choose to search out fine because you're seven right. You're looking for fun all all the time right exactly but I do know the majority of my friends need a reminder. That fun is valuable that it's not a waste of time. It's it's very valuable and it actually teaches you something about yourself and about the world and so that's what we're trying to do with. This book is kind of like. Hey this is why it matters so much is because you've never for been the Eden lost. We've never been in the garden but we know it's gone and we and we are actually always looking for it. Yeah and so. How do we find that even in in a busy life I love that I feel like we're a for me? A big thing is always joy. And that's just something that has organically Come into play in that. We've we've run with because it just it just happened and for a number of reasons but it's there and that's something that you see a lot of people trying to chase his like are actively choose news but I liked this approach of like being a intentional on choosing fun. Yeah and I think the the interesting thing about what I know of watching pimping joy and your story is it. y'All shows in the middle of suffering. We will smile we will. Oh Not Force ourselves to choose one or the other and a lot of times what we do to each other and to ourselves is if I'm sad I can only be sad and if I laugh. I'm doing something wrong. Or if if I feel sad but I don't WanNa feel sad I will just go to Disneyland and I will ride and I will not look back or I'll drink too much or I'll text. It's too late at night to someone I shouldn't take. I will feel better because I can't feel this anymore and I actually think the most fun is had when you allow them both to exist when you go like yeah. They're or sadness in my life. I mean sitting here with you. Amy their sadness in my life also. There is great joy in my life and so I will let them co exist and I will lean on finding the fun because the sadness finds me. Sadness is gonNA find us. Heartbreaks GonNA find us. We get to be the ones who go okay. I'm GonNa hold that one hand. I won't pretend like that's not true but I will. I will chase the fine because I've gotta have both well. Gosh I'm looking forward to January. Twenty twenty bucks to wait that long sooner than that so you can tell me what to to fix all the grammatical right. That's right so just after I like we talked about how you got into writing and that led to the other things which in the next thing I want to talk about your podcast which I mentioned that would just call. That sounds fun. Dip with downs and I think But I would like to know of of your books. Yeah this next one sounds the most fun but it's not out yet so of your books that you've written like witches your if someone is just now hearing about you when they need to go buy right now yeah And that you would recommend and then your favorite book of all time all time okay. The one that people respond to the most the one that it has been bought the most the one that exists in target and other places is one hundred days to brave. That seems to be the one that people feel like is well. It's a gorgeous cover and which I had nothing to do with. I'm like please judges book by its cover but it is literally one hundred days. Where if you do anything for one hundred days it'll change your life but if you will do one hundred little brave things in your life what keeps happening? Is The people who finished the book. Their life is totally different and they go like I had no idea. I mean I can't tell you how many emails I get where people go. I had no idea my husband was gonNA lose his job on day. Fifty four But I finished and we're going to be okay or I had no idea I was GonNa Fall in love on day ten or that. My cousin was going to get sick on the ninetieth day. I mean people go like I didn't know what God had for me those hundred days but I knew I had to finish. So that's the one I would. I'd say it's kind of the gateway drug to the others. It's the one that people like Remember God is the one that's most recently out about whether God's really kind or not because I felt like my life didn't look like he was treating me very well and I couldn't understand how the Bible said he was kind but I wasn't getting what I wanted which is a boozy thing to say but it's it was a real sadness for me. Okay so those are the two I would say of the of the collection And then you go on. Yeah they're all. They're they're on Amazon there at bookstores. Yes you're here. National Parnassus will get them for you. They have a couple of them and Any everywhere my favorite book of all time is a fiction fiction a novel from Kathryn Marshall called Christie. Have you ever read it is about Christie is an elementary schoolteacher teacher in rural Appalachia and it is actually. The story of Catherine Marshall's mother As she was a schoolteacher who who left a big city and took a train into pretty much like cades cove towns in East Tennessee. Like kind of near Gatlinburg county near Dali Dali uh-huh severe built out so that area and she taught school there and that's why I became a teacher. I just thought I have never connected with a novel like that before I've never are. I love that people group love People the Appalachian People. I just think it's They're scotch-irish have a lot of connections with Ireland Scotland and so I've just always loved that people group so that book and the the TV show afterwards but the book changed my life. I've read it front to back. I'm not exaggerating in no less than fifty times and it is. It is just my very favorite so I would recommend people reading it. Just if you need a novel yeah now something different we love a good book recommendation And then what are you reading. Are you reading anything interesting right now. I'm reading awful beautiful life. Yes I've heard of it but I haven't read Powell. Yep so she was on my podcast last week and got about halfway through by the time we interviewed. Yeah and some finishing it. Do you try to read everybody. You have on I can't always just can't it's just. It's too much. I I mean well for one between work and kids and husband all the different things but also net flicks like. It's just tell the truth. Yes it's so. Oh like or Amazon prime coming out with like Jack Ryan Dry recent back into and then you know. HBO had succession. And it's like all the things problem is when we read the people and I try to read read something out of every book before I interview someone but but that is if I'm reading their book because 'cause I'm interviewing them it's it's work. It's not fun right. And if we do that. And Edit our own podcast and listened to them you know do the edit. Listen through I could work seventeen or eighteen hours a day and I just can't live like that. Yeah so no I would say my since becoming a mom. The last two years my reading has gone way. Down Sleeping is more important. Sleep is very important. That was like working out at just staying mentally sane so that I'm not a complete crazy person right But I do think that reading would be it is encouraging to hear someone else. A lot of people that are really busy going on but they still can read. You know a couple of books month. That's right okay. I could if they're doing that. I could at least yet now reading something I mean. I don't four for honestly what I what I do. Dig into of opening up something as a parenting book your book on adoption and it's just like not it's not the feel good like oh I can't put it down own yes But the awful beautiful life I started because of the podcast but then when an finish it because I just felt she's from Austin. I am from Austin. I knew some people that were close to our situation and she just gives a beautiful beautiful picture of how she used she was experiencing such grief. Fanshawe came out on the other side because of faith and she uses four. Words are the words. She's got some F words. She said I you you would think. At that time. She probably dropping like yeah F words right but she's like no actually I mean it was my faith and my family and my friends and the different things that got her through it. And aren't you grateful when people will right through that stuff for us because it's just like a roadmap if we when we need it. Yeah if you haven't heard that podcast I guess since this one's airing a week after she was on John last back up and go to last week's listen to it Tragic situation. She lost her husband committed suicide and she had three kids and she was left with. Like I think like twenty five million dollars worth of debt. You are lying to my face no cow. So that's why why he decided he was He had swindled money or asked friends for loans and businesses for long thought told them he was investing it and he wasn't and they had this obvious vichy like lavish lifestyle like my sister would go to their Christmas parties. Yeah and in the book chapter and she talks about the Christmas parties and I think she was like trying to paint paint a picture of just. How awesome yeah lavish? Their life was like the governor would be there and then like you know normal people. My sister's there because they knew him through young life and I said it was like the Party of the year. She couldn't wait to go right. That's right and yeah I mean but it was all. She didn't realize it was all like how her husband was paying for it. She never she. This is really good at his job. Well but gas so anyway she she made it through and now she's sitting down with her was lovely and she's he's made it through the other side. Yeah and so it. Is you think you're in the darkest hour of your life that you can push through and persevered. Yeah that's one of the things when I heard doc you know. We talked about armchair expert but I heard him live in Nashville a couple of weeks ago and someone said he did questions from the audience. Someone said how do you get through a hard season in your life and he said you never get on a roller coaster and this is GonNa last forever he said you know every good thing and you have to remember the bad things into. That's a good analogy. I thought so too I thought me and that is so. He's like even like through his hand. He's like you're screaming and you're having the best time but you're never like I'm so glad I get to do this for the rest of my life. He's like you know it ends. And and so it's just always so generous to me of women like her who write books like that that say hey. This was the darkest and I will tell. Tell you the truth so that you know so that you have some roadmap that I didn't have I seen man. What a generous thing to do for the rest of us? Yeah wow well thank you for. I sharing all like in your books and for sharing those with with my listeners. Because I know they appreciate that and sometimes they do come to me for book recommendations lately. I'm like well how about The connected connected child reading. I can't and I'm a total sheet SNOB. I've tried them all cotton bamboo linen but I just discovered Eucalyptus veg sheets and all I can say is they are amazing. Eucalyptus is so much softer and cooler than my other sheets and it breeds which is perfect for me. 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Periods of time Ron Rate Radio. Your interviews are five minutes depending on guest fifteen minutes. If you're garth brooks yeah no just in its long. And they're doing eighteen other radio interview exactly. Yeah and it's like okay. Why are they here? They have an announcer talking about that. You don't dig a little and sometimes that bothers me. I had an offer for someone on TV show and it would have been really cool but the PR person said. They have eight other interviews that day and we can give them to you for fifteen minutes and I was like. That's just it would be cool to say that name was on the show but that we don't get to be friends at all in fifteen minutes over the radio when I'm one of nine four owners right you know and I was like that's just in my spot but so I think that's what makes radio so challenge watch on online so good at this. 'cause you have to do in I get an hour. We get an hour today. I get an hour on my show. Radio seven minutes. Yeah maybe yeah yeah and then sometimes if they are in a group you can tell bobby started to kind of sometimes he just. We're in a place now where he's in place now where he can kind of be like. We'll pass yes and and not to be rude but then it's just not compelling content for listeners. Sometimes because what are they listening to us be like you. You're Kinda be a robot real quick and talk about your points of what you need to get out for your which I get evidence to do it. But when they are in a radio tour they're just like boom boom boom and doesn't there's not that connection and he's like I'd rather play a game that's not not right. Yeah so what. Tell us about your podcast. What kind of guests you have on? And what content you cover and also WanNa hear about your visit announced. What's happening next year? I don't know what's happening next year. You told me you're doing something next year we won't say it yet. We can't say we're not we're not saying about Dollywood. No no not dollywood. Something that's happening in twenty twenty and I said I'm doing that to a sorry. Sorry sorry now I'm with you like anti talking. Ah Yes okay so let me start by saying how the show started so in the the reason I ever did a podcast is there was an author named Ted Dekker who his. Pr People came to me me and said will you interview him and I was like. Oh yeah but I don't have anywhere to release it. I have a blog at the time I was an author and speaker but I didn't have a podcast. I listen to them and I didn't have one and she said well so. Have you ever thought about starting a podcast and I'm not kidding. That sounds fun. That sounds fun. It's available okay. Let's do it so that's really white started now. We are two times a week Mondays Mondays and Thursdays and it is. It is one of the most joyful things getting to do right now. I love all buckets and my job. I love the writing. I love the speaking but but during the podcast just feels like it. Is We record this today. And then then all our friends who listen get it in their ears really quickly. They're getting real time conversations stations with with you because they know what you care about based on who's sitting on the other side and so really what they're doing every time they're showing up. Is there going. I believe in amy and I want to be friends with amy. And so so I'M GONNA listen to end these conversations. Amy has and so they they grow with you and their friends with you I think is so sweet and so I've loved that so my guests are literally There's only two roles it's someone I am friends with or someone I want to be friends with because I'm not very good like you and bobby I interview strangers. I think that's very challenging. I'm Mike so what else do you like about Nashville like horrible. But if it's a friend or someone I want to be friends with. I've got all the questions because I've stopped there live on so live on social media and I know what's coming in what they're about and so those are the two roles so we have because my job is faith based L. and a lot of ways we have a lot of faith people people who come on and talk about their new books or their new albums or whatever. They're working on We also I had chefs from food network because I loved their one guy who won food network Spring Baking Championship and I tweeted. You're so smart because you want then you become friends with these amazing cook totally taboo hundred percent. If that's how did you become friends with Daniel Walker through the gathering through like. She was already friends with Andy Smith and and then Angie brought her to and I met her there and maybe four five years ago now and she's just become one of my dearest friends in the world. She's been hot cashiers him. Yeah she get hill came on the same day right accorded the same day. Yeah Okay I think we were originally says you're on the phone and then you know then I got a note. She's like well actually. I'm going to be staying with Hillary. Hillary and I just heard she's coming up there and they were like it was like a swinging door revolving door but yeah. I just didn't didn't know how that worked out. I thought that easy. You just like tweet me like your friend. No I'm not going to be the one who says knows for them. They can. They can say no to me. I'm a grown woman. I can handle. Listen I'm single at thirty nine. I've been rejected Tadmor to I can handle a person. I do not know on the other side of twitter not responding to my ask for them to be on the podcast but then sometimes they do say yes and it's so fun and so we have athletes. We have we spend in February. We do couples the whole month. which is Really fine to get to here like we have both a husband and a wife Kalian Russell Dickerson came on so fun and just hearing How do you have a marriage where the husband is shooting star and just doing incredible stuff in country music? And you're with him. So where's the. How do we both serve each other? And where's where's Kaley dreams held and and it's just beautiful and so we saw all sorts of different couples that month. We'll do that every February. That's so fun it's good. Ideally really fun and then in June. We did this last summer. We did any a summer where we talked about the program all the whole month June and we did it because people keep asking me what they keep requesting they have names they request yours included. They have names. They request but they also request multiple times. People have said we have friends on that are not famous. Will you have some in house. Like I mean sure. I have a ton of those friends but when you see the name pop up you're not going to know who that is. Click on it and so when when it shows up. Open your APP or whatever so then I thought well what if we talked about the any Graham but everyone who came on my show. Nobody knew they were and so the one. So I'd have a a female one male one female to male to female three in the mail. Three that were not that have no public life at all. Public was their number. That's right all their nobody's there number in their first name tag them on instagram. Wow I did. I did nothing to let them to turn them into a public thing. I just said here to humans and they are this they identify this number number. So we do that in June. We'll do it again. In June of two thousand twenty. We'll do any a summer and do the same thing where we have a different set of people. Come on and talk about what it feels like to be there number so yeah I mean it just as various whoever comes to my we try to be real thoughtful that we reflect the Kingdom of God. Well so that we are diverse in race but diverse inability. We're trying to have and find. Some people who either are disabled themselves in one way or another or a raising disabled children and just to kind of go. Like that's voice where you don't hear a lot that's so true and so So that's what we're trying to do is just have a bunch of different people on that. I my goal is always ways that if it was you and me and the listener sitting at a table and the listener and I already friends that I was introducing you that went. I could get up and leave the table and y'all have something to talk about the and and the y'all would feel listener would feel like well amy's my friend now too if she's she's friends with me right now. All my listeners are friends of me for a long time. They're totally friends. Yes and that's the goal. They've already gone on any ask what does handle too I was I was just looking at your. I reposted your bag. Your bag that you posted a long time ago. But it's one of our favorite pictures because you to the grocery store is your four things. Tote shocker the first thing on there is laughing laughing second thing is Nashville. Third thing is any Graham coach. The next thing we're going to talk about with you is Because you know way more about it than I do and then the last thingus soccer. Because you're obsessed with so I love it. I think it's a great sport and did you play soccer. I did play and then I've just been a superfan ever since. Yeah I think I think it's very very into soccer. Yeah I'm very into encouraging the rest of Nashville to be into soccer. So I'm probably the loudest trumpet you here because I'm trying to get everybody to play later. Trumpet froze soccer team next year. Yeah my kids took soccer at the Ymca last year for the whole time will took soccer played on a team. I never played soccer so much about about it at all but it was their first organized sports situation ever and they did in Haiti. I mean they came in. Hey you would think being. Haitian they've played a soccer game. In Haiti I thought I thought right right played in Haiti. No at the orphanage. They really didn't have much room to run around. There wasn't like a fish. Kick the ball but there was no so they don't understand the concept of the game and Ah Stevenson sometimes get the ball but then start kicking it towards jolly wrong into the field and I'm like no but as appear also is still proud like he's kicking the ball yeah that's exactly yeah who cares throng and so yeah I I need to get more into soccer because they both really enjoyed it. Yeah good maybe I need to take it to them to to like again. Let's go to a game next year. It's really fun and like get them. Yeah it's really fun and the fun thing about what you're getting to watch right now because they're five he's nine heck's five a lot of people that use five but he's nine my daughter's twelfth okay. So the fun thing that will start happening even now. They're turning kicking the wrong way and whatever is as you see see them start playing better and playing more you will see their minds. Start creating plays that you will see play out and it'll just blow your mind once you start like you'll go. He sees them moving into position and he's passing on purpose to an empty spot because he knows his teammates going there and then they go and you lose your mind because you know that your kid is the one who saw all the play. It'll get really fun okay. Well we'll see if they stick with us like what are we gonNA play soccer again. I'm like guys we're trying to get the school thing down. That's right now our just between learning English and just catching them up to their grade level. There's not a lot of bright time for extra curricular activities although you were mentioning earlier that you didn't watch. TV's the kid you just read a lot what we watch. We Watch on Thursday nights and we can watch a little bit on the weekends. We used Monday through Thursday so I know I might need to implement lament that rule like my I let my kids watch they have TV time right before bed every night because we help it helps with their English. That I to hear all that conversational. Aw I mean if I didn't know English I'd I wish my parents were let me watch more TV. So I could okay. Because I do think my daughter I hear her use words sometimes not look where. Where did you hear that were? I mean it's a good word. Yes it's expanded vocabulary but it's not one that I have ever really us and I'll be like did you learn them at school. She's like no. I saw it on. You know whatever the reasons that learning another language immersion is better than just learning it in school. Right is because if you watch people talk it changes how you understand a word. So you're doing you're watching 'em how how many times have you been Haiti. Only once just once. I went once with Lisa Harper. We went to that. Billy love her. Oh did you go to my life speaks yes yeah So yeah. I was just texting with Mary. My partner for the four things in August boss Steph Haiti's just an audit turmoil right now so so we're texting about getting somebody from in Mike Wilson's in Nashville right now. So I thought well maybe Mike can come on wonderful. Oh my gosh yeah yes amazing. I actually actually met him through. Hillary Scott Because she did he did Hillary's wedding and so I met him at Hillary's wedding I dunno nine years ago maybe and and have just been. I have watched them be so faithful to serve where where they feel called to serve over the last ten years that I've been watching they've been doing it longer than that. But it's just I think really really really highly of the willful. You had him on your podcast. I should totally. He's so fine. He's so smart and he serves. You're right happening you just you know sorting it out. That sounds fun with Mike Wilson dollar booking fee. That's right that's right now make sure is there. No he really is a good one. Yeah he's is great. You know obviously could I think could share like a lot and be fun to. Haiti was really hot. temperature-wise oh yeah I was in Israel mid yeah and your feet swell uh-huh and your hand and I got food poisoning. No you didn't and in the middle of the night I was the only person awake. I couldn't find any water. I mean it was about as it was about as if I would rather be dying young. Ah those moments. When I've been like sick in America offered in my own home? Okay so I got home and I go to like a natural path in Franklin and and I went and got tested. I was so sick because I got home like two days later after the food poisoning. And she's like you have twelve pairs. She's like I bet like five or from whatever you eight and seven or that you spent an entire night on the floor of a Haitian bathroom. Yeah probably so what did she. Lisa Harper was like you look terrible I was like I have not slept. Thanks what did as you do to get rid of your parasites. I took some of the natural path stuff That Harris US I think it's called parasite pairs secondly parasite and then. I did some Kalanick's Yup. I did like sweat beds. I'm did like all. I'm so appreciative. For Western medicine. I think it works. I think it's miraculous what God has shown people to create medicine. I also want to look at the earth I and wants to look at natural things first. First of what's already been provided for us and all that kind of stuff is my first stop. And then if if I can't get better I'm so grateful for doctors and what they can do. But I'm a natural. I might need to get your I. I need to find a natural or I've been wanting to fight like an awesome natural robin. She's GonNa get like all the test test done and see Ryan. Do you get your like hormone levels tested or anything or does she do anything with hormones. No not I mean yes. We talk about my hormones and she test for him but not with like they. They don't do blood kind of stuff like they don't they. Don't draw blood and do those kinds of testing now have done like food sensitivity testing girl. I'm a Weirdo. I got like a dairy allergy energy. I don't eat dairy. I know that you love. Daniel Walkers dairy free ran it made me cry for some eight dairy six-year teared up. No love her stuff too. Yeah you do. Yeah yeah how I do. Yeah do you have a favorite recipe or working on right now with her Well just her whatever Chocolate chip real deal chocolate chip cookies all the time. So there's a her minestrone soup is my go-to of that genre of soup. And then she has like a roasted chicken and vegetable that you can get online the minister and he's only Her cookbook it would love but the roasted vegetable vegetable and leftover chicken one so good is online and it is. Yeah you ought to Jarrett. I'll have to try that one for sure. Well Yeah and then she's do you remember your like your podcast episodes. Because I'm now thinking people are listening. There are friends and the shoot. I I heard Daniel Walker and amy's because I will say the when she was on your podcast. It's it's different when people are so you hear some stuff yes again. Yes you hear some stuff that is new. Yeah so if you liked someone and we had a really good response with her being on the they should go check out your the podcast that Daniel again. Who is on the fly to new episode number? That is no I told sadly I absolutely You know funny thing. I was just at lunch with a couple of friends before. I got to your house and they were. We were talking about a different interview. I'm doing in one of the guys said How are you going to ask a question? That's never been asked before and I was like that's never our goal here like my goal is never that. Can I ask Amy Brown. The thing that no one's asked before what I do want to have is a conversation. No one's had before but we can ask all the same questions you can ask Daniel the exact same questions but the order we ask them and the parts that stand out out to each of our hearts is GonNa be so different so even if Daniel came to us both with five questions and was like this is all I answer. It's still two totally different conversations so true true and so the pressure is off of us as podcast. It was like I'm not trying to have. I'm not going to ask a question probably that someone hasn't heard their favorite author Sir chef musician. They haven't heard them ask but my hope is that by the end of the conversation they go. I've never heard that before. I've never heard that conversation before. And they haven't because you and I have never done this before but when you come on my show it'll be the exact same to humans but we'll have lived more days and we'll have different things and so I just love when I come on on yours is probably GonNa be way more fun You're having a great time. It's GONNA equal at best But I just think that's one of the best things about sharing friends and podcast episodes. Besides existing with different host is like Jamie Ivy. It happens a lot with UNI and Jamie Ivy and Jen were. We'll all have the same guest. I'm like yeah that matters. That's great. That's my one and encourage people go listen to yours in here her on there. Because I know that it's different. I've listened yearned but a lot of such a release of that pressure. Like yeah we. We're not trying to create something and you're not trying to bamboozle me a question that no one's over us before no. I'm just trying to ask her what I WANNA know. Then as a listed podcast listener. 'cause I listen to PODCASTS US like I'm not GonNa not actually when I enjoy somebody on podcast. I go seek them out from every interview. They've done saying yeah again. I hear little tidbits that I know that I heard the whole conversation so different and I keep listening is. I'm buying them on the next Santa on the next exactly so I love that. Are they as fun bill. So which Jamie Ivy you've done hers Yes That's another one where we both have done. happy hour live Yes so fun which leads to DA. Da We're both taking our shows on the road. Oh Donny tiny mine's not. I'm sure your way more organized and probably totally booked mine still like in the works zero percent. We're thinking of doing like it'll be like a weekend wherever we go. It's four cities in the year of Fr Friday night four things Live event on and on Saturday doing a Brunch and burn which is in a spa that we've been doing doing. Yeah where area. She's a trainer. Yes she liked travels with us and we do like a workout in a brunch. Since Week. Two totally separate event. So maybe you can go to one or both or okay whatever. Oh that's really hot. Cast one being bigger the workout being smaller. But yeah so I do four and twenty twenty four hundred and twenty which I got. We are going to do one night events and we're going to go do just a live. podcast cast in the city there. We don't know the exact cities yet we will when the book comes out in twenty one at the beginning of twenty one will. We'll spend a big chunk of that spring going to many cities as we can because I want to have fun with friends guests and so we we are throwing big parties in twenty one. It'll be a party already in every city that has a podcast attached to it. So it'd be like Okay Austin we're coming to do a book launch party and there's going to be a live podcast with a guest. This is a party so you bring your Confetti Eddie Popper 'cause I'm bringing in mind like we're going to have a great time. The ones in two thousand twenty are going to be Getting to some cities that I've really wanted to see and people that I'm like. I really need to get out to Portland. I haven't been west coast and a while and so okay. We'll just go out and we'll get a venue and we'll pick a date and and it's not going to be complicated. That's the beautiful thing about these is is. We don't need eighteen other. You know y'all GonNa do a show and then you're going to have a workout brunch. Yeah I don't need a bunch of bells and whistles. Everyone that wants to come wants to see this and wants to see us doing an interview this person and they wanna see their friend. Danny and I wanna see them and so that is what we're GONNA do so we're going to do. Maybe I think the goal is in two thousand twenty to do like maybe five or six and it'll just be a Friday night or Thursday night and we'll be five or six of those and then in twenty one it'll be more like I twenty five. Wow that's the big. The Big Fun book is coming. Yeah that's right so yeah okay. So let's get onto the next thing and I think we're GONNA tackle because I'm just curious how you got so into it okay in your thoughts So we'll do that. The third thing any Graham now i. I am as long as I've been hearing about any room. My sister's been into it for years. I will say that I haven't fully committed to the whole thing because here's the problem. I'm ready to really figure out my number okay and I've even had so I've done the tests. Yeah I've had a India. Graham actual experts expert begin to like listen to me and my husband and tell us our numbers. And I'm just like don't really think that's my number but is that my number for me disagreeing with the number that signed. I don't know I know because I it's just it's hard and then my sister she's really into it and has read all the books and done all the things so so then she of course has her opinions on my number sure and you know that's another thing. How do you feel about people having opinions about your number not allowed? I think that's okay. I think that's really if it's your sister but if your sister since when did we get to stop our sisters from doing anything and our lives. So have you listen to my podcast before. Then we have covered the agreement. I've had ad interim expert on Hunter Hunter Mobile. Yeah okay. So that's who any Graham. Okay is that what you call it But he's come on before to like really talk about what it is and basically it's the numbers are one through nine and it's what you're better you're doing great. Okay thank you. Yeah so it's a it's a it's not a personality really it's more of their nine different ways that you see the world the world and one expert that I really like named Beth mcchord says it's like nine different set of glasses that you put on that one so your glasses maybe a different shade of the world than my glasses and the thing that I like about the. I'm a big Fan of strength finders. I love strength finders to I think it's really helpful. I think Myers Briggs is really helpful when it comes to personalities and work environment kind of things and everybody that works for you do those yes works with you. Okay Yeah we More when we are hiring someone new we want to know their any grim number as best they can self identify and we want to know their string. Finders and we want to know their Myers Briggs because because there are some things we really need and things we really don't need it doesn't mean the person person it just means that we don't need what they're offering we're not the right fit for them and so that Kinda helps as we're interviewing and shaping WHO's joining the team So of those nine different types of the thing that any agreement I found most helpful one of the reasons I enjoy encouraging people to spend some time learning about the program is I have. It is very helpful and identifying the motives behind. Why you do what you do? And that has been like we could all be in a restaurant there. The restaurant could be full and the fire alarm goes off and we all respond the same. We all run out. We run out for nine different reasons right like nine different directions we do nine. Different things When we hear the same alarm and while I might run out because I don't WanNa get burned because I'm super scared and I don't want anything to hurt me because I'm a self self identifies a seven and we kind of our problem? Our core issues. We fear pain and so I'm getting out cause I don't WanNa get burned but maybe a nine is getting out because they they it's just peaceful in there anymore and they're gonNA keep running because they can't be where there's where there's so much chaos but three's going to run out because they don't WanNa burn their clothes. Clothes were expensive. You know I'm just making I'm making this up No no Harry stereotyping already like it and you know what I'm thinking in my head right now. Is You said something earlier. I think in the first thing you said had like you are really good at teaching things entertaining till they WANNA take yes. You're telling very entertaining story. That is actually helping me understand the grand better. I'm like okay. Yeah that's a great way to put it. Yeah like we're all hearing the same exact alarm but there's different reaction yes and the reason we can't type other people people is. I can't tell you why you ran out of that restaurant and you can't tell me why right now that restaurant you can Kosovo you run out of the restaurant. You mean really fast pitcher three. I saw you in that restaurant and then then you stopped and help somebody. I bet you're a two. Oh yeah no compassion right right right and it's like no you can't know the motivation behind why I do what I do. And so. That's the reason typing hyping other people as a problem and going and it's also reason when someone goes I'm bad about this but when someone goes I I had a hard time turning in my book because every chapter wasn't perfect I go classic one and then they go we. I have a one but I wish you wouldn't do that because of whatever you know and so we also even and when you know someone's number it isn't always so one of the people I just ate lunch with is a nine and And we we laughed about who was paying for lunch. Sh and the girl behind the counter said To the nine. You should stand up for yourself and I was like. That's probably true but when I was like I don't need. I don't need to mess with that. You know like I my. There's a version me also classic nine letting me decide who pays you know and And so I just think that that's why it's helpful in my personal life and I know this is I think I think you love onsite to right. Yeah my life in the last seven years. I am trending toward emotional health in a better way than I ever have before and and that is because of counselling and on site in the Ingraham. Um The showed me why I do what I do when I always just thought. Why do you always do this? How come every time I mean amy amy? I was in a dating relationship and I got freaked out and instead of telling him. I was freaked out. I got on a plane and I flew to Florida and didn't tell anybody like that's extreme and that's what got me into counseling. But like I always did something like that I always instead of saying when I was scared I just ran away instead of going like. Yeah we should have a hard conversation that may end up with US ending this instead. I flew away like I didn't have words for why I I did that until the any Graham helped me understand that there is in eighth thing in me that wants to run from that and a healthy seven healthy at the Anne is one who can be a confrontational relationship or a confrontational experience and not run away. So there's growth in me when I stay I I maybe could have learned that language without the Graham but man to any Graham was such a fast track for me of how to pursue my own emotional and spiritual health because I do it with God to and so it has taught me so much about me. had a guy on my podcast recently named John Mark comber and he talked about this at the beginning. But I I do think that any grandma's probably being overly monetize now and it's overly you ran out of the restaurant because of this and and this is the eight songs that you want on your wedding playlists because because you're up for you know like if you follow any coffee on instagram totally. There's probably a little too much of that. And we're stereotyping a little too much because it is so much deeper and more profound than that and so one of the things that I really resonated with as he said maybe for three ish years. It's a really good spiritual spiritual discipline to bring into your life to learn it to learn yourself and to walk toward healing. After three to five years it either becomes this like kitschy thing or you need to go real deep into it and really in like become an expert a scholar of it. And I'm not into doing that. I don't WanNa do that so for me. As far as I do feel like I have gained everything I can gain from the amount of learning. I'm willing to do around the Graham for now so my job now is to say the people go to learn yourself. Go read the road back to you. Go do some studying. Sit with some expert sensor need to do I need to read the ROBECO. Well just get it and read at the start of each chapter there are. There's a checklist of like here. Are the here are some things about this number. And their checklist is really robust. And it's really helpful and so. I wonder if that would help you. Just to see that checklist but but again I I would never be the person who says you have to study the game to be a healthy person and you have to know your number and tell everybody in fact John Mark One of the things he said. Is that the few generations ago when people were already using any Graham like Jesuit priests and such. They wouldn't tell by their any number. It was like so sacred to them like man. Now we'd like put it in our instagram right by. Hi I'm the F. Down Seven. Yeah totally and sometimes I like that but other times people are like like I had a pretty hard friend conversation with another woman over coffee a couple of weeks ago and when we sat down she said I know you're a seven and this is hard for you and I want to be like I'm okay. I'm here I WANNA be like I don't want I don't want people people doing that. I I. I don't I don't necessarily like this is how you feel right now because you are this but then again with men it is helpful for me like when I'm I'm interested in talking with etc to I go like okay. When if me and this to are going to work I need to listen with different ears than seven years? And there's a lot of other things I want to learn about him and that I'm learning about him but his Tunis is an important thing. I'm learning about him or if it's a six six and I'm going okay I need. I need to know some inclinations of sixes but while I'm getting to know him and getting all sorts of stuff about him how he handles the world through that pair of glasses I was dating a five and he would disappear for days and not speak to me and I was panicking and then I was like as we when we would have conversations. It would be like you had just had to think about some stuff for a minute. I'm like Oh that we're just built so where I'm going to like bang on the door of your cave until you come out and you're asking for today's in your cave to think and so it that is so helpful mostly mostly mostly for your own spiritual emotional growth helpful in relationship. Yeah I say similar herb different but it's kind of when you understand someone's left language that your relationship with understand what they need from you and then why they're maybe do you what you're like what. Why do you keep washing my car? I don't care right and then it's like oh I like. Why haven't you noticed that I watch? Yeah exactly he's like axe. Yeah but when I do things for his to receive. He's acts of services. Well Oh so when I do little things like go sake him or offie. It's like the biggest thing in the world if he massages my shoulders rank you. It's finally get it. You washed my car but all you need is a shoulder rub. That's right and so to me. And he fits beautifully in that exact conversation of like. Here's one more thing after you lrn yourself and you get healthy around your own number as it as helpful as it is for you then use it to love other people better and use it to know other people and put it in the same category as learning their love languages and learning their strengths and learning what they how they take their coffee and learning how they ah what happens when they don't get enough sleep all the things you learn when you fall in love with a friend or a partner One of those things can be any or if you have a co worker or totally all all that again knowing how my fulltime employees knowing the glasses she wears into work everyday helps me so much because she says I'll ask a question Shen and and she will give me an answer and then two hours later slava different answer was like well. I already did it based on what you said. The first time but part of it is that she needs more. She needs permission to have time to give an answer and I was wanting an answer right away so she was giving her first answer but it wasn't her best answer and so now we. I know it's an eye now. I know that I would love her opinion on things and I need to ask two hours before or the day before I really need to know she can make great decisions on the fly but but it is more helpful and healthy for her if I give her time and so as a boss I want people to feel like I am choosing their health over my immediate immediate needs and and where they both meet is the best place right where where they can. My employees can be really healthy but I can also we can also get everything done that needs to get done. It helps for me to know their strengths to know their love languages to know their any Graham. Yeah and so if any room sounds intriguing like any said she has all last June. Yeah the high summer people on each number and then she's GonNa do it again in twenty thou- but I mean you've got time to go. I know people always always. I love giving people podcast. Go back in. Let's just like I need a good podcasts. Soon and are you. Listening to the New Delhi Pardons America. Oh It's so Susan episode ends. I want something else so when you when they finish listening to this. You're giving them like a handful of other things. Okay next thing. Can we talk about what you're grateful for. Yes okay commit amy okay gratitude. You time. I'm reading just four things that Anne is thankful for. Okay I am so thankful I'm so thankful MM for my job. It is the hardest thing I've ever done. You probably feel this way too. It's I can't assume that but I would think it's very hard and very lovely and rewarding and and on days where I feel like I wish I wasn't having to work. I wish I could just stay in. My bed are days that I've tried to think back to about ten years ago when this was all I I wanted to do and I wondered if it would ever happen so I'm really thankful for my job. I am Super Thankful for my counselor. I see see her tomorrow. I get a haircut and accounting which feels like. Everything's going to get what put in. Its right place. I know right the books do tomorrow. I'll turn it in by one o'clock and then it's a haircut. Cutting Accounting Appointment I just I thank God for her. That the Lord lined us up when I flew away on that plane and and that the largest made a way for me to find a counselor who taught teaches me and taught me about the mystery of God in the mystery of life. I mean it right answers for everything and she often often reminds me. Yeah what if we don't know what do we do. If we don't get to know that and that has healed me to be able to ask more questions. I thought I was allowed to ask. I am so thankful thankful for my kids. I call my many. BFF's In Halloween just passed and just being being a woman who's single with no children yet and I want to be married with kids and it is just such a gift that my friends share their kids with me. They let me to two of the families. There's about six families and me that are kind of spent a lot of time together and to because there's another anti in our group Dave Barnes's wife also named Danny They call me any downs. Like a double name like two of the kid the other kids call me crazy any and to families call me any downs and I just got a video. Two days ago of two of the kids going the mom just said okay. Tell her what you're telling on me and this little five year old boy says any downs. I love you I love you like I always like I have not been a good good enough person or a kind enough person or a brave enough person to get that kind of love and and so I just recognized what a gift it is when anybody chooses to love you even after they know you what a gift what a gift and so I'm so grateful for them and My phone saying is I just had the lunch I was just talking about. I had a breakfast Burrito and I love Mexican food for breakfast. What a joy? I'm grateful figured out that you could put. Eggs and potatoes was an avocado and black beans. Together door DEA right. I just was so so happy. I just love breakfast Mexican food so I'm thankful for you and I'm thankful to be here and that's a bonus so work you do. That's my fifth one. I figured that was too easy of an answer that everyone probably says that. But I from a distance. I've watched you actually. Nobody's Said uh-huh well let me tell you what I think is true from a distance. I have watched you love our our greater community. I've watched you love Nashville and care about Nashville very very well but obviously our national and I'm sure people from other cities feel that too but but up close I've watched you love our friends really well even when you were doing the hard work of healing and and adopting and all the things I just think you you seem to love really well and so I'm grateful for you and how you model that for me and my other friends. Thank you. Let me know I would say that if we weren't recording I leave you know and that's really nice And I just I. I'm thankful to have you on. And then thankful for a little gratitude segment that we try to do. Because it's real important and I think it also we learn a little bit more that you love and Mexican food for breakfast just the best. Like what a surprise. I know who knew we got to do that when I was little and we ate tacos for dinner. No one ever told me that Texas did that for breakfast. Heck yeah born and raised is Texan right here right. You've always known breakfast TACO. We didn't do that in Georgia. My Dad go find us. Some Theresa see I didn't even know whip it up. Yes so yeah well thank you for taking the time to come on. I know that you are busy but well sorry you finally my people going on and I had you verbally commit recorded wise. You have to be online done. I cannot wait and yeah well until well I mean. Hopefully I'll see you maybe somewhere for listeners. You're hearing Anne here now and the next time you'll hear us again on a podcast. We'll be on. That's Annie's podcasts. Casts Out Can't wait for that okay now. Message from panerabread looking for something. Fresh and filling will pinera's new warm Greenville's full of flavorful ingredients like hardy King Wa- Spicy Salsa Verde and creamy avocado full of good read. So that you'll be full of good to try new Baja or Mediterranean warm grain. Volt now available for delivery Panera food as it should be.
SE 2 EP 31 The Pascal Show 02/24/20 Podcast
"It wouldn't be in the building so I failed. Hoxha winds owning everybody. Hey would you hand together together you WanNa know why because today is Monday. Oh Man don't forget that my age she's like oh no she's she's super high now. This laptop in front of a wrench. That's the only reason why you know what I'm saying so it's been a good weekend. Yeah Man Oh. It has been epic weekend. I'm I'M NOT GONNA lie. I'm tired as all. Get out evenly street. I'm tired as a sticks. I'm tired as heck. I'm tired of Hail Awesome Man but we will talk about my weekend here in a second but anyway I hope you guys are having marvelous. Monday is Monday. It's really gloomy out. But you know what I I'll take this L. Right now. Why because this whole weekend was unbelievable. The weather was so fantastic especially for all the stuff that was going on this weekend. You know what I mean like I was sweating outside in the middle of February. I know that ain't normal. Y'All it was nice. It was nice to two nice so if you guys are having a very fantastic wonderful marvelous Monday if you're if you're weakened was wonderful you know what I'm saying and you're watching on this feed. Give us a whole bunch of thumbs up. Give us a bunch of love and all that stuff hearts thumbs up the whole nine. If you're watching on our facebook feed and of course on our Youtube Channel common down below you know what I'm saying let us know how your weekend was was it good was a productive was a good. Are you still hung over? That's the ongoing judging because there's a lot of people out here. It was Mardi Gras this weekend and at least in. Saint Louis is the number two biggest party for Mardi Gras in the nation. So Saint Louis was lit was on fire on Saturday. Okay but we're GONNA talk about all that in a second but we gotta go around the room. Let's get into it. We got some really great people in the house like I always say Lucas in the booth completely exclude from that that situation but anyway. Mugabe was good. What's up guys it's Monday. It seems to be Monday from my headphones to. Because they're going crazy right now here on through one ear but when the show started. Couldn't hear it all so I'm sitting here trying to like on either side. I'm still trying to figure that out. So hopefully headphone calmed down over here playing with it but other than that. I guess ahead a average week and I guess it was nice because Cardinals Spring Training. Baseball was back to watch a little bit of that. Saint Louis Bad Hawks home opener. That was fun to see But other than that just showing. It was fun to see some sporting events I enjoyed. Maybe you know. I'm glad that you had a relaxing weekend. But it was filled for a different story. But for me yeah yeah. Total different sides of the spectrum today exactly relaxing. You got to see some stuff. You got to chill out. Be a couch potato kind of thing. I'm assuming that you gotta say Ben Potato Potato with your cereal and your cat. You know with the muscle another story. You know what I mean you're serial pedophile story about this cat He came in the other day and he was a little dirty because he's been outside. Get thrown around some dirt because it was nice this weekend. Oh yeah so it was going to pretend I was gonNA take them to the bathtub to give them a little bath just to see if you like that he. He did not like that. I'd literally tried holding him down in the bathtub and I couldn't hold them now. He's able to just get. Outta my arms. You just run away. What are you feeding this cat man for all normal cat? Dry Cat food wet food. That is some. Yeah no kidding. What's a cat version of? Pcp I WANNA know. Does this cat thinks he's like he's thunder cat? Where'd you know what I mean? I would be afraid of this cat. This cat was mean. He's not me thank God. He's a nice cat. Good too little coming with scratches. Every day there would be more than just punch you right in the mouth and your unconscious. You're gone right right. Well I'm glad that your cat got to get a bath. Sort of push me away railway. You've got a very strong man. Never we I WANNA meet this cat. One day I know I wanNA meet said cat. What what's the name of the cat again? And even Mac but my girlfriend likes to call him George now for some reason. What's so curious? So curious curious little feline love going up like Lounge. It's funny rocky yellow right now. Let them saying line is kind of like a lime yellow fluorescent yellow by. I love it though. You know what I'm saying. It's two different yellows like this. Yes well yeah but it's got a lime to it. It lean leans a yellow Green Yellow Green Bean. You know saying anyway. Now that you're talking Lydia Caesar III doing doing so great. Today I had a really. I had a jam packed weekend mixed with work and family. My daughter Turns Sixteen today. Happy Birthday to my sweet girl. I can't believe it. I woke up this morning so emotional woke up today emotion. Because today's the day weekend was full of like we did a party on on Saturday. She had a sleepover. We did stuff yes today. We were downtown. We're in part of the battle. Hawk madness that was downtown. Or you're done generally were We also was in the city museum. It was just like a full day of like teenage. And how old is your teenage now teenager. Now she's sixteen she's sixteen. So how's how's the learning how to drive thing going? Oh It's been interesting. She wants to drive every time we get in the car. Of course what else is yes. She has a permit. She's ready now birthday today. So she's like when like going to get her life as a sassoon as schools over. Yeah I'm going to the DMV. And let's do that in this long. I Now. I know what it feels like to be the DMV. Yeah so it's been. It's been a good weekend. We also shot are part of a filmed are recorded our podcast. Mary isolated every Monday. So the latest episode is live today and you know that was pretty much for the most part my weekend. We're going to New York in March for like a big sweet sixteen. Listen nowadays girls have like I say. They have like three weddings because the sweet sixteen. Karekin ridiculously vague. Now three wedding. Yeah okay. I'm listening. Because the sweet sixteen they get a. Gal that hall to the Prom? Have you seen the prompt theatrics? Nowadays the prompt theatrics ridiculous. They're like shooting music videos for their prom. Walk out of the House action and then they have their their real wedding so I say now when I was a Kid Promise Colin. All three sixteen was cold today. Thanks to social media like three big extravaganza for girls. It's crazy and I'm in. I'm in the I'm in the phase. One you gotTa make sure that she gets everything she wants of course in all three phases of him saying he's having addressed made for this team going home for March. Wow yeah yeah it's serious catering hall every doesn't even a bar Mitzvah. You know what I'm saying like you said she turned sixteen. The black people wanted a piece of that Pie. I think that's what it is like. These Jewish kids getting these big parties. No way to say whole up. Let me let me secure the bag. I'm GONNA come on. Come on let me some call world. Come on give me give me some of that. Sixteen year old money. And then also the Kingston Yeras because that's really big in the Spanish case. That's like Monday turned fifteen. They do this huge thing so that is true. So you know. The black girls are holed up. But what about the Fellas Young? Nothing we're getting. We never get nothing. Nothing not cheating no. It's not fair. I know it's not everybody else gets this stuff but we don't know would there's about about equality for all that's what it is. Are you scared? They're gone golden for all. Yes but you're right. Thank you thank you. Thank you mcflurry. So what about so while I was out and about I was also on my phone. You moving and shaking this week. This is the it was a crazy week. Yeah it was a crazy four days. I'm not gonNA live. Obviously we didn't have a show on Friday. Why you ask is because I was okay. Let's start with. Let's start with Thursday. Wow It's funny because I'm trying to think literally it was like Bang. Bang Bang Bang Bang. Bang Bang Bang so Thursday. I hosted a wow. I'm Oh so. Thursday are hosting black history month event over at the elementary school. They put together this whole black history few vent which was amazing. I did not expect to walk into an entire theater over. Eight hundred. Plus people were in this theater. This place was packed. There were people all the way up in the in the balconies and all that stuff. These kids these really remarkably talented kids from island. Elementary school all got together and each class got to do something like performance or presentation so on and so forth so I got to host MC that I had a little little co host Yeah one of the students. If I I don't WanNa mess up her name but Mandy okay. She came on and she helped me out and she was really really great so I had a really great time that that was a lot of fun then the very next morning I was at Lafayette High School. Lafayette High School. How you pronounce it. You know tomato tomato right anyway so I was out there. I got to sit down and get an exclusive interview with Ozzie Smith in the morning. But then BEF- book right after that. I moderated a full discussion like a panel with Ozzie Smith. And one of their star athletes on one of the high schools star athletes on the same stage. Where high school kids got to ask them. Ask Ozzie Smith. Some questions about just being hall of. Famer what is what. It's like to be a cardinal play for the cardinals and all that stuff so We had a really good time on on Friday then on Saturday I was. It's Saturday was a double decker so Saturday morning I was on the main Mardi gras float And I got to go out with my Johnson of sugar fire. Shot out to my Johnson. He hooked me up with on the float. I got to throw beads. Nice all those crazy people for the first time ever. I never been on a float ever my life so that was really really crazy. Fun then that night. I hosted a fundraiser. For Crossroads College Preparatory School. Where they you know they do this every year. They're independent school so it was really cool to help them. Raise money in regards to all helping them fund what they do educating kids in in a in a different way. And you know it's one of those. What are the? What's the school. What is what is it called. I'm forgetting what it's called a prep school. Yes as a principle but as another like why am I forgetting the name waiting school not a boarding school? It's like it's going to come to me at some point and then you can shout but anyway it's a really really great. School was very small school but they they're they're very what they do and how they educate these kids. It's so cool. And the fact that these kids get to go and try different things and they're not just stuck to one thing can just experiment and try different things magnet arts magnet magnet school. Okay so it was really cool to see them. Just see the people that are going in all the people that are in the room raising money trying to do something for a really great school all for the love of education. Love it so. That was my Saturday then on Sunday. I got to go out of nowhere I get. I got a phone call from or I got a message from a boy Big Papa G. DJ Big Papa. John's shout out to you. Do He hit me up and it was like. Oh man once you come down to the to the Battle Hawks home opener and I'll throw you up on the stage. You can hype up the crowd and all that kind of stuff so I was like. Hey I went down there. Yeah out of nowhere. Got Some tickets. Go in and see the home opener first. Time ever seeing professional football in the flesh. Nice ever I've seen high school all day long. I've seen college ball but I had never seen professional professional professional league play football so anyway so that was dope. I got to check out the battle. Hawks I mean. Go Battle Hawks. It was really cool to see that it was crazy. What's funny is that now because it's blue like blue and white. I think I'm correct blue and white and or blue and gray white gray. Yeah some like that but and then you got the blues that are blue and gold. So it's just interesting that we're still in the blue world and then you see people wearing blue is it. The Blue Wave knows the battle honours goal. You know what I'm saying. That exact thing happened. We were just downtown with Kalia. We were really like just was. We decided to go downtown. We had no idea what was going on. I didn't know it was going to be as crazy as it was but I'm like where are all the blues players going. I mean fans. They're going the opposite direction of the enterprise dinner and then we saw the own wherever they play of where the where the rams used to play the American. The Wayne was like all this is the football team and I was like it is. I mean it was hard to Lucas. I was like Oh look probably down here. I didn't know but was curious. What's really what really sucks. I hit him up the night before because I was sitting there going. Hey Man I need to get I would love to have you come on come with me. I know you're like a football fanatic and I knew that would make him really really happy. In fact he came with me to the Ozzie. Smith interview actually helped me out there and I was like all right the only way I know for a fact this is going to make them. Smile is if I can get him right next to Ozzie. Smith and take a photo with Ozzie. And of course I'm like career. Man took a photo with him. He's I really like okay and I'm just I see the look on his face because you know how Stawicki is no you know so lucas released. You know what I'm saying. He's super show. But when you see his face light up on my got him. No he's happy right now on cloud nine right now which was really cool so then also I got his digits though. I Got Ozzie Smith. Oh excuse me happy bye. Stop is with some weird. I'm Homey Reserve. He was good. You WanNa do back lit and don't obey back to last week number centuries ago like three days ago we sat down. I've known you for ages but it was really cool. This whole weekend was action packed. I did a whole lot of hosting got to get on the MIC and hype. Some crowds got to talk to Ozzie. Smith Actually Ozzie. Smith Ozzy your incredible human being and just shot you man. That interview will be going out tomorrow. And it'll be on the show live tomorrow as well so be on the lookout for that real talk. We got to talk about everything about black history month why he was at the Lafayette High School Events and so want about about baseball. The what his thoughts are in regards to cheating and inductees into the hall of fame. Steroid use the whole nine like we went in. This is a no-holds-barred interview. I guarantee you. It's going to be something that you WanNa Watch. The funny thing is is the third time I've talked to them. This is the third time I've interviewed him. So I'm GonNA continue to count them every single time because this man is like he's like family to me. You know what I mean. This is like my brother so me being able to sit down and route with him for the third time is it's always a blessing to be able to sit down and talk to when when he he comes up. You know you made it when you got a hall of fame. Come up and go. Pascal was good man and give you a big old. Feel you've been made shoot. I've been doing thing Blah Blah. Wow Okay I want to pitch perspective that okay with you and he was kind of just meet and greet everybody kind of being so true with everybody. Kinda just relaxed about. He's up to you and he just got lit up. Oh what's up completely different? I was like knows what's up. Yeah see see what I'm saying. See what I'm saying Lucas late when I'm saying Lucas Lucas Ama. Don't mess with me breath. It was an amazing weekend in. The funny thing is on on some real stuff. Sometimes sometimes God speaks and very mysterious ways in God works in mysterious ways and this weekend was one of those ways of God. Just telling me that I'm on the right path personally in the fact that this whole weekend was so filled with like life life experiences first time life experiences but then at the same time giving back and doing good one especially for all the things that I did this weekend were all high school or elk or education focused in regards to just the youth the youth of our city and all that and just being able to give back was just such a energizing experience. It was like an adrenaline rush rush. I wasn't really tired until Sunday right Sunday. I got hit hard like Sunday actually Sunday. Night Matt face in a minute we go. Wow did I just go through all that and four days but it was just an amazing experience and it's like man. This is what I do. This is what I love doing. It was it was just like I said it was like a drug. It felt amazing. And then of course you know just out of nowhere getting that hook up with x the xfl tickets the Bat Hawk tickets just meant the world to me and yeah know. It's just like all this hard work is starting to. Hey Up pay off in that wonderful blessing type of way. You know what I mean. The Lord works in mysterious ways. Y'All hold on but anyway but I also hold on. We gotta go into a quick commercial break. We'll be right back. This is the Pascal show back. This is real talk from Real Saint Louis streaming live are real talk. Wgn YOU DOT com. Yes what will go back to the Pascal? Show y'all thank you guys so much for tuning and like I said it. You are listening on the radio. Thank you so much but also if you're watching on our live feeds on facebook and Youtube. Facebook DOT com slash the Pascal show and youtube dot com for slash? The Pascal Show. Please go crush that subscribe button on our Youtube Channel. And of course go. Click that button on our facebook page. It would really really mean a lot but anyway let's get into it. There's a lot of things that are going on. But we got one thing that we gotta talk about. It's time for let's Tau Now. You've got to be in cookies okay. Today's conversation since this whole weekend I did a whole lot of stuff in regards to education. Alright this education based question. It's about going to college. Y'All all right. My question to you is this. What is the purpose of getting a higher education when most are left with debt? That takes you years to pay off and or never find placement in the fields. They graduated from so my question. The main question is do you think that college is important to be. It's important to go to college nowadays. Is it important to have a college degree? All right so we're GONNA go and throw it around the room Lucas in the booth. What you take mine is it important. I would say so. Yeah but I'm hearing a lot of stories. Nowadays that people just right out of high school getting some high quality high paying jobs just without even having to agree with something but at the same time I mean. It really is really relatable for me. 'cause I'm just recently out of college. It is tough to think about. Is it really worth it to go to school and pay all this money? Not even to be guaranteed. I'm going to get a job after I get my degree like it kind of reflect on it I do. I have enough money to do. This is really worth it right. I mean it's scary. It's scary to think that that that could be a possibility is a strong possibility. You know what I mean even if you do get at high paying job. Kinda like you said and the question will he ever pay off that debt? Will you ever get like pay off the money that you spent just going to school? Yeah I mean I don't know what else to save. I can something be done about. How expensive school classes in this school expenses are? Can something be done about that? Hey Bernie's trying. Yeah he most definitely. Y- was called Ovilla works though exactly. Who knows but I feel you on that. Now real quick. I'm just going to throw in a couple of things in between our conversation here. We do have some comments We did put up to on our reddit page so be sure to check us out on Reddit as well. So I'm going to read a couple of them One of them said it go into stem. And it's worth it so I don't know what stem is S. T. E. M. honestly. I have no idea I've heard when I I only heard of it. I I have no idea beyond that right so another one. Diamond said you would think people are so interested in education Would we would be able to to research. What would be easy to find a job in afterwards? I think what they're trying to say is like obviously people would be you think that people would be more interested in doing education especially if there was something about doing research in something that would be like okay. What's an easy what's a job? What's what's a career or a major that I can take that is going to be a unsaturated a job. You know what I mean like easily easy to get into you. Know what I'm saying. Now I know trade. Schools are really good. You know and there's always. Everyone always needs an electric trains. You know what I mean. Those trade schools are really on point As far as that goes now. I think that's a good thing you know what I mean. Well Oh and then somebody said and you found the problem with modern society. That is true. Pretty much in regards to like what's going on. You put all that time all that effort into things. But I'M GONNA throw it over to you Lydia. What do you think? Did you see what it means? No it's okay. Applied Computing is basically a bachelor's of science and Applied Computing is. What I'm seeing. That stem is okay. It doesn't really sound like an acronym but but I guess that's what they're calling it so okay. Thank you Tommy Boy. I'm saying he just commented. Science Technology Engineering and mathematics. Okay so you apply computing. You know computer education which is where the world is going right. So you'll definitely probably get him get employed after you get out of college. But I'm seeing a lot of people who are doing getting jobs that are basically like data entry computer programming type things and they don't need a college education play good just literally go to a course for a month. And and and Certify Aiding Zion and keep it moving you know what I mean. Especially everything's so everything so computer-based nowadays. It's it's interesting but anyway Lydia. Let me hear you Tucson. I've never really been a college Advocate in the sense. I will say that college is for some people. College is not for everybody. I think this notion that you get out of high school you supposed to go to college is is dying and I'm glad it's dying because I think it's the old way of thinking I think. There are certain absolutes. If you WANNA be a doctor if you want to be a lawyer you have to go to college. There's no way around. You can't just hustle your way into medical practice and figure it out. There's no practiced unless you go to school for so for certain things college necessary. And I mean that kind of college is not just a bachelor's Bachelor's and it turns into a masters and then jock your doctorate are PhD. Whatever it is so for those things yes but I think we're learning more and more that there's a lot of fields where college is not necessarily you don't need to incur all that debt You can learn online like you said you can take a course here and there and you know become great. I love the concept of trade schools. I think trade schools needs to be pushed more in in high schools. Kids needs to get on. Learn the trade. You can go to college. Get Them Get a bachelors and communication. And you're not getting a job. A bachelor's is not enough. It's not enough for years. If you really WANNA make money with your education you have to go more than about access to have to get a masters once you start to get into the space of a masters now you have leverage for job bashers is like high school is like a high school diploma now right so to me in that sense you can avoid it. Don't go your dreams to be a doctor or rocket scientists. You'RE GONNA have to go to college. Yeah but if you want to be an entertainer or even in broadcasting you don't have to necessarily go to college that's true can start on you to make your own channel role following and get a job like that here. So they're definitely other avenues out there. It's twenty twenty now. I understand that there's a lot of people out there that understand where I come from whereas I had to go to college. It wasn't a situation where I had no choice. I come from a family where it's college a bust you what I'm saying. It's like no you go into college doesn't matter if you are trying to a clown or a. Sushi CHEF doesn't matter. You're going to college college soap so that's but college was different when I went to college nowadays. Everything's so Internet based when I was in college a wasn't as heavy with the technology and all that I mean there were flip phones. Flip phones back then. You know what I'm saying. There were no iphone. Weren't there was no youtube? There were no digital cameras. There were no anything like you know creating your own being your own entrepreneur. You went to college to get your education and keep moving get that degree and then go get a Job. Get Your Wife. Get your three point five. Kids see them Graduate College. Have Babies Die? That was literally nowadays. It's a different is. It's a totally different approach. So for me even even now even in my head because I'm a little traditional when it comes to certain things I would want my kids to go to college. But here's the thing it all depends on if it's even important anymore. I'm seeing people out here. That are finding their hustle early on in life and making millions of dollars before they even hit eighteen so to me. It's like I just want my child or I just want people to have the right kind of education in the right way so that they can live their their lives in of Nice fruitful way. Now obviously when it comes to like I agree with you on that. College is important for the people who WanNa be doctors lawyers dentists. You know what I'm saying. If you WANNA be a good lawyer you go to a good college. You know. And I've seen a lot of my friends. Go down that route. Yes yes when it comes to entertainment. You really don't need any of that stuff anymore. I mean you can go to an acting school or an acting class down the down the road. Get your chops. And just start hustling this easiest help when it comes to being a doctor. Yeah you've got to go to college you can't just go fake it. Unlike some of these guys that are out there that are gone viral because of acting like their doctor. You know what I mean like some Doogie howser houses stuff. You know what I mean but other than that. I mean. It's really important for college. If you're trying to do something bigger you know when you need a higher degree when you need to get your doctorate or you need to get you. Phd Important to go to college. I mean now when it comes to the high school students that have no idea what they're gonNA do next. Trade School is something. That's incredibly helpful. Because you can take two years learn that trade and get a good job now and. I agree with what you said earlier. I think that that's something that needs to be pushed into into schools like immensely. They need to be pushing those things into into these high schools. Because there's a lot of kids out there that don't know what they wanna do it themselves but they need to learn something instead of throwing themselves out in the street and getting themselves in trouble you see what I'm saying. I feel like it's very important that we start looking into these trade schools Lucas. I would also say. Don't be ashamed to go to community college. I went to halfway through my senior year of high school. I had no idea what to do. Yeah no idea what I want to go forward. What school to go to you and community college it's affordable and everything that can offer for really any other any other university audible in the. It's not like we're going to a high school or something like that it is. I mean they have exposed school I went. You had a lot of hands on opportunities a good nursing program a good radio program. Good Mechanical Program. They had everything they can offer. And it's kind of like something that's kind of in the shadow is like no one really knows about because you know it's found upon and this is why I really want the culture to change because like when was graduating high school. No everybody who was. I going to like Nassau community. College was ashamed to say it. And it's like you feel this pressure go to a four year school a good school. That costs money. You're incurring debt and like you said a lot of kids at sixteen and seventeen years old eighteen. Do Not know what they WANNA do for the rest of their lives yet. And that's okay so now you're forcing yourself into this expensive load of debt. That's not even going to pay off when you don't even know what you WanNa Do Straight Home Global Community College Save Money. You know you can take classes that while you're figuring out what it is that you want to do and not blow the bank right and this is what needs to be promoted. Because I'm telling you if you weren't going community if you were going to a community college some people would like oh you ain't leaving home ways. Lebed away and it's like no that now. Those kids are laughing at the kids who went to school and got the student loans frame. Eight off you know what's frustrating to me is when people go when when I was going into college and you say our go to this community college all of a sudden people are like oh you dumb and it's like no wait. A second is that you're not. I'm not dumb is that maybe I don't know what I WANNA do with myself. Maybe I'm still trying to figure this thing out like come on man. Tricky low like relax. Maybe my school I can afford to go to. And there's so many people go to go to communicate community college. Figure out what they really want to do. And then they go and they transfer and they matriculate somewhere else yes I said matriculate big wired big what I'm saying so all I'm saying is I think that there's a way that you can learn a certain trade and not have to go spend billions and billions of dollars for you to go graduate. Get out go got my degree and then you're going boy now what now and then you're going. Oh my gosh I'm still getting. I'm getting banks calling me because collections is hitting me up being like Yo we whereas money for your your time that you spent at this you know to get education. You need to wrap it up. Be Like what's up. You know what I mean so I see a lot of that issue so much and it's so frustrating because I still think she'll be free. That's me though I didn't. I mean I that's what I truly feel in my heart. Heart's like college should be free now. An ally how that to like. It's ridiculous ridiculous for for our president to have paid off his student debt during his presidency. He's in his forties in his forty s and he's just finishing. He just finished after he became the president of the state. You think that he would have a hookup. Maybe they you know what I'm saying. They could just kind of delete that while it's not Dickie Leslie expensive though rights. Od like that doesn't match the salaries that you make me get out of school because if it did people's student loans would get paid off within the first year or two of graduation that's all and paying loans for twenty years. Yeah for life. You don't make no because he wanted to go to a good college right because he wanted to look good on a resume literally. That's all it is. I mean if you really think about it has nothing to do with anything else yes. It's Harvard or Yale Stanford or any of those places have huge accolades behind it. They have huge clout behind. What what they stand for and everything. But it's like man you just pay for the brand absolutely paying for the name you go. You could be the most brilliant person in the world go to a community college yes Sir and and just work your tail off yes sir. It's almost like you're just trying to get if you're going to Harvard or something like that. No no knock anybody that goes to Harvard. Hold up you know what? I'm saying upset but it's like you're just trying to get a a a a a seat at the table easier and easier access to the seat at the table. I mean that's one of the real reasons why I went to. Nyu Yeah because I wanted to get an easier seat at the table. I wanted to get more access to stop. It didn't go that way. You know what I'm saying. 'cause everybody else at nyu wants to same damn thing with a lot of people and it's a dog eat dog world. Columbia and every powered Howard and whatever. These schools are all all full of full of kids hungry and these kids just as. Smart. They're all Valedictorians. They're going at the. They're all going after the same goal. You know what I'm saying so in a way it's like I'm not sitting here saying that. The competitions bed unique competition. That's how you that's how everyone thrives but I think that in regards to the college yeah I think nowadays if it depending on what you focus on what your focus is on on the field that you want to pursue. There are so many other ways that you can get what you want without actually having to spend buckets of money and putting yourself in crazy crazy debt but anyway keep the comments going. You know what I'm saying. Check US out a check US OUT ON REDDIT. We put out. Let's talk questions on Reddit as well. There's been an amazing amount of comments on there and we appreciate it but we gotta go into a quick commercial break. We'll be right back. This is the pass cow show by keeping a real all day on nine twenty. Am and one zero six point nine. Fm. This is real talk. Wgn You yes. Welcome back ten. I pass Scout. Show a hope. You guys do well out there. I think he got so much retuned. And we gotta get things moving because Yeah we do. Have someone very special in the house or the that will be in the house a little bit later on in the ten o'clock hour. We got Steve Ewing. The urge and owner of Steve's hotdogs is going to be in the House I'm excited about that because he's got quite the story to talk about we're going to get exclusive with him in a second but anyway let's get into the news. We got Tommy boy on the phone was good time. Hey how's everybody doing today? How you doing good happy? Twin Peaks de Happy Twin Peaks Day. All yes thirty. One years ago today agent Ilker for Dale Cooper rolled into twenty big day for us twin peaks. Oh okay I'm super. I'm super excited for you man. I'm I'm I'm separate cited for you can't relate but yea I'm excited to see your interview with Ozzie Smith. I have a funny is Clinton story if I can tell a real quick you. Yes sure we gotta go into this one very fast but go ahead. Go all right cool. I went to One of those five Kostas fundraiser. Things back in the day they were honoring Whitey Herzog and one of the speakers there was as Smith and he told one of the funniest jokes ever said back. In fact when I played for Herzog I want US best jobs in America because I can go into work every day. Call My boss widen come on me. I'm pretty good. So what's going on in the world? My brother Right well we have in Nevada caucuses over the weekend and Bernie Sanders came out with forty six point eight percent of the county delegates Danes. Yeah forty or forty six. Yep feel the burn. Wow so he is healthy brought running. That's nuts man. I know what they need to do. What they need to do is start taking people off that people need to start voting off the island. Some people need to get voted off real quick in like. Let's keep him moving. You know what I'm saying so we can focus on somebody focus on one one or two people right now. I just need to people to focus on anyway. What's with you to agree with you? Yeah Tom Steyer is still in this thing of all people and the funny thing is is like like I know who it is but on some real stuff like where he been. You're not winning. And then he spent sixteen million dollars in the pot and came in sixth for Christ. I I give money to assist. Kitchen is wasting money. Not Wasting money man. Yeah wow well that's good 'cause I mean honestly feel like the Like the faster we start to see. Clearly those safer will beat up. So many jumbled and everybody throwing mud on each other. I'm like listen. You're throwing mud on someone who's GonNa Wind Up? Being the candidate lead weight and together. Yeah let's quit slinging to quit sling and dirt on each. Oh let's let's. Let's do a united front together. You know what I mean. Beat the guy. Yeah we're some somebody needing take trump out. That's all somebody to pull out the and trump card and go by gotcha trump with your own tricks. Anyway what else is going on all right? Well we've got The ZAMBONI driver that was the backup goalie for the Carolina Hurricanes. I heard about this story very very shortly but what what happened. All right so they were playing the Toronto Maple Leaf and I guess the practices is. If if you're if more players go down then you have on your bench like the goalies. They have a reserve and I guess this guy was from Toronto and he was a reserve for both of Maple leafs and hurricanes. But he's a forty two year old ZAMBONI driver We played some junior hockey so they after after their first two. After hurricanes I two goalies Were injured they pull this off two year old Zamboni driver and put them in goal and the hurricanes ended up winning six three. What's funny this because I heard about this story briefly but it kind of reminded me that Mark. Wahlberg movie invincible. Where it's like. He's just a bartender and all of a sudden he starts playing for the you know the Patriots or whatever team he was playing for. I forgot what team he was playing for. You play the eagles. Thank you plan for the Eagles? And it's like. Wow you know just regular bartender and then bank. He's he's out there playing with some of the greats. You know what I mean so interesting story. That's a crazy story. But that's a invincible. On ice I'm waiting for the movie. I'm waiting for the movement the more. I'm sure somebody's writing the movie. I'm sure somebody's writing the movie right now as we speak. What else is going on all right twitter? I was reading this. Twitter is testing out labeling potentially harmful or misleading harmfully misleading tweets by politician. They're they're going to. They're they're fighting with the idea of rolling out a feature where politicians start saying. Harmfully misleading things. But they're lying on twitter. They'll have a little flag underneath. Say this is incorrect. Nice holding people accountable. Wait so you're saying twitter is going to be doing this. Yep facebook needs interest like in other words like fact checkers or like fake news type of thing or were you gonNa say fact checkers. I guess part of it'll be community driven by the twitter community so individual twitter users will be able to research it present their evidence against or whatever that seems that seems a little scary though because people look up things and suddenly they're saying Obama's gay you never know on facebook or kind of has something like this if someone is. Here's an article and it's fake article. There'll be a flag under this is not real fake news. So people don't click on it and believe it really. I've never seen it on facebook along. Yeah I need that so much. Fake News on facebook. I said I'm not kidding. My my mom sent out a mass text to everyone just a couple days ago. Sorry Mama I don't mean to throw you into bus under the bus. I love you but she sent a mass text. 'cause we got a group text all the kids in my mom she sends out this Texan. It's saying that Michelle Obama's leaving Barack Obama because he came out as gay and I literally stop writing. I almost poop my pants because cannot be real some looking up and I'm like searching on like this. Who Am I? I'm sweating like? Oh my God. This can't be real. This can't be real and then later on only find out. This is all fake news and my sisters we're all roasting my mom on the on the tax payer. What the hell mom. What would I do that? You know what I'm saying like but there's there's a lot of articles that are out there that you just don't know if it's true or not you're going from a reliable source you know what I'm saying and then you find yourself getting caught up in it because it like no man. This is a whole lie. This is a full on flat. Out My my. My uncles had trump supporter. I if they flagged everything that was incorrect that he posted. I mean it's it's facebook page which is like a tumbleweed roar hangman. Okay one more. We got time for one more so making all right. We'll do a silly one here The McDonald's is rolling out set of candles each candle smells like a specific ingredient and a quarter pounder. Yes so they have a catch up. Candle a sesame seed Bun candle. Let's beef candle and onion. Candle has a pit bull candle cheese candle okay. So in other words after tearing a page out of Gwyneth paltrow and Eric about it but they can't do anything about their their the nether regions the naughty bits bits. So they're just going. Hey let's do some for for Burgers. Why is this a fad? Now why is this the WHO wants to go into a room smell the smell like burgers like that all day long all day long? I love Burgers. You'll take bond even smell like the one of a well. You know what I'm saying. Who wants that in their life? I don't even know what that can. I can see a little bit fries. I could see the smell fries onion canned lip that by itself annoying decrying. And you're all I'm trying to clear my sinuses or any do on a first date that wants to look like he's really sensitive to slide onion candle video. Really got me you anyway. Tommy thank you so much for calling in a really appreciated. Those are the top news of the day from Tommy Boy. We'll be right back this pascal by. What's up Yo you're on? Wgn You nine twenty am and one zero six point nine FM real talk for real saint. Louis yes welcome back to the Pascal. Show thank you so much for tuning really means a Lila's get into it because there's some stuff going on in the entertainment world you know what I'm saying? So we're going to go into Lydia. Yes I'm looking to throw throw out the first thing because ladies first is always a we are mourning the death of a lifestyle guru a a TV personality to Evil Evil. My TV brief Smith. She has passed away and I mean I feel like twenty twenty has been really hard on us so far like the year. Just start out. We've had so many people who have left us. But yes be Smith's. You died at the age of seventy. She has been battling Alzheimer's disease which is crazy. Man is just that sickness is if you've ever like known somebody who dealt with that or dementia itself. It's a horrible way to watch somebody go. It's really scary. But yeah her name is actual. Her full name is Barbara Smith. But everybody knew whereas be Smith and she's just a lifestyle icon. You know of woman a black woman who is celebrated by young black women because of how dope she was she was just fierce she had her own home decor series called beaten called E. Smith with thile chefs who had a line in Bed Bath and beyond. So she's just you know and I can. And we are wishing her family best wishes at this time deal with her death tragic. You know hugging hold onto your loved. Ones Man Yeah. It's it's really unfortunate. I mean like you said yes there. There's so many people who are passing and it's it's terrible it's terrible especially how how everyone leaves this planet. I mean how she was seventeen. She was seventy. I mean. That's still a good long life but it's still kind of. It's not long enough to husband has named as Dan. Gas Be WanNa made the announcement via facebook. I'm that she passed away at home in Long Island and she has been. It's been a year long battle so she had early. Also early onset. Alzheimer's wasn't even like a really long time And like you said seventy. She did live along a mice Lengthy life but still you know people lived to be ninety eight hundred. Yeah you could definitely have a lot more life to live at seventy so yeah. Our thoughts and prayers are with the family course and man listen she her her iconic ways will live on of course never ever having you know without a shadow of a doubt. I mean you know our hearts and thoughts go to her family in the people who are affected about this news. You know what I mean. It's terrible news but moving on to some other news. Which is this is something. I found very very interesting. Okay all right you know that. Kirk Kirk Douglas. Legendary actor had passed a few weeks just a few weeks ago and of course now that he is laid has been laid to rest. There has been talks about his sixty one million dollar fortune. So this is news. This is just recent Kirk. Douglas's sixty one million dollar. Fortune has been given mostly to charity and none of it I said none of it has gone to his son. Michael Douglas. Yes so kirk. Douglas chose to have his sixty one million dollar. Fortune sent to charity about fifty fifty million dollars given away to the Douglas Foundation. All right and the the beneficiaries included Saint Lawrence University Westwood Sinai Temple Culver City. Douglas Kirk Douglas Theatre and children children's hospital Los Angeles all right. It is also added that Michael. Who of course is seventy five years old was not a beneficiary at all? I guess maybe because he felt like Mike has enough of his. That's literally what I think too. I mean of course. There's a lot of people. I'm sure that out there going. Well why wouldn't he give any of the money to his son? What the heck. It's his son but at the same time. It's Michael Douglas. You know what I'm saying. He's been he's been there done that. The man is as it says in here. He's Michael. Douglas a seventy five years old. He has lived a good life. Yeah and he's got the bag he got the he'd been secure in that bag if not if not only him. Catherine Zeta Jones is making enough money to you got bags. Kids together dips beneath lasers. Aw I if I'm correct. Yes they do. Have Kids right yes. Kids will be well. Oh yeah they're fine. They're fine this. I personally think it was an amazing thing for him to do. May I could see. Maybe he kept like maybe a million or two for his kids later on or something like that for his grandkids. I'm sorry later on just in case type of thing for my understanding he only took fifty million and gave it to all these foundations and stuff. So where's the other eleven right so I keep thinking maybe there's something on the side like maybe it's going to his grandson and his right kind of like in that in that scene in power. It's like you gotta go and do such and such and such and such actually grabbed his bag of a million dollars. You know what I'm saying so it's like all right. You gotta be sure to Graduate College and get yourself a degree and so on and so forth before you secure the bag. So we'll see what happens with that situation bronze some real stuff. I'm not that shocked. It's surprising but I'm not that job. This man is seventy five years old. Michael Douglas. Michael Douglas's seventy five years old. I mean he'd been there done that and I'm saying that he's only twenty five years away from where his dad passed right. You know that was one hundred and three years old really hundred three good Lord. He lived his life. He had a good life. He lived the century. Deliver lived a century century. And then some yeah he. He lived decades. Right cades cove. So we'll see what happens with all that I mean. Obviously I think what he did was really amazing until all that money and put it towards something good. His son is fine. His son is already built. His own legacy. So we'll see what happens with all of that all right so moving on from that. Okay so we gotta talk about it because this exactly I'm talking about. I'm I'm hoping so this is very interesting. Guy Can't stay out of the People's mouths nowadays. What is going on with Dwayne Wade? Dwight way just dropped a track. Wraps arap Song with Rick Ross? So we got a little bit for you. Does he have bars or no? You be the judge here. It is take a listen single voyage thing. But this might be a single your home's single involved with my past so the second indent see so precious have the general leg stripped season. Six plenary easy meals are right okay. So that's that really just happened and You know nobody as soon as I saw this headline so it just made me really think about all how much he's been in the news and how much he's been getting camera time. Maybe everything we talked about this show and then I'm like Oh okay. This timing is very coincidence. Vary coincidental is makes me curious though. It is very coincidental but then at the same time. It's it's kind of like remember when Kobe drop some bars to yet remember. Players have a thing for like rap. They like it. It's like a thing and it's fine. It's totally I say. This you know he got a hell of a good ghost rider okay. You liked it. I thought it was okay. No no I mean like. He didn't fall on his face with RASA. I'll say that I'm not sitting here going. Oh my God you forget the next Mc no no no you know what I'm saying like he just Kinda. It was Kinda like all right. I'm just going to have some fun and let me just do this. Real quick insecure. The bag you know what I'm saying just sounds very dry to me. It's very dry. That's why there's none none but is this his first time. I. It's his first time. Don't judge on his first grown. You know what I'm saying on Man. Does Hey. Judgment is being cash. It's not about the size of the boat or we're talking about. This is first time wrapping. Y'All come on and it sounds like it it does. It sounded like it. Sounds like he was good without the rap and it sounds like it. Sounds like he's rushing the beat to listen to would take a listen to it again. Whenever you get a there's moments where you it. Sounds like they were like all right. We only get fifteen minutes with quick solicit knock this out and let me just do whatever you think a post post. That's what it felt like fix. It felt like he was little Russian on it. But that's just me legal Russian or Russian on the on the on the word still Wayne Way Washington know about this. I don't know I mean I'm not feeling it but at the same time. Whatever do you use as hired? Now he's trying to do something fun. I guess got nothing better to do enemy shoe but I wondered you know all all this all this spotlight I was like. What's He bus to drop. And then here comes the Song Voy- Yup. You did a press run for a reason. Now come on. That's how I if he was like come out and then all of a sudden your mind mix tapes by the drop like tomorrow. That was the one track on track. Fill you but it just. The momentum was a little below weird to me loose shake. I don't think so on. Or maybe maybe how about this? How `Bout this though? How about this? How about this? How about this though? Think about this. What if he's doing? What if he did this? Because Rick Ross called him up and said Hey man assume again a lot of a lot of heat right now from see what it did. Oh Guy a lot of heat man from from stuff being on Ellen and stuff. We need to get you on this video. We need to get you on this track breath. You know what I'm saying. Let's ride this wave. Man let's just do Slough. Are the sewer this bag. Let's make some money or they happen or they had the track and they would like. How can we get some extra steam on his track? How about you have something else in these streams. See THE MUSIC VIDEO. You've seen the video. Looks like put that together real quick and let the song? Sounds like they're putting in quick exactly this kind of a man. Let's do the whole time this way. Timing of it all was very just like I think you wrote. I think he's just ride the way I don't think it was. I think an afterthought I think this is an after a strategic plan strategic every strategic was in place though. You never know who knows if he's trying to be a rather HEMU nominee tunnel. Tell us Tom it's like shack. They all Fudan. You know what supposedly there's another basketball player on this track to. Oh there is yeah. Yeah after Rick Ross is by telling you. He doesn't have like a dog name on it. He's on it. I can't tell you his name off the top of my head but when I looked I looked in. I saw a name that I didn't recognize. Immune estimate was another another basketball player on the track as more of a one. Yes so you know. They just haven't found that's that's that's trash balls to me. I'll say a Dwayne do what you want. I mean you already made. Millions of dollars did what you do. You know what I'm saying like what you're rapping about is not fake right. You actually are living that live so live. Live that ball a life ball it as you say yourself all golden you know what I mean so hey I'm not throwing any say. Hey if you've got nothing else better to do and you hanging around. Hey why not experiment? A little bit get into booth. You know what I'm saying. Getting the Bouffe real quick and dropped in tryouts bars and see how people like it. And if they don't like it then don't do it ever again. I'll say maybe you might wanNA find another ghost rider. That can write better bars for you and then take your time and figure out your delivery. That's what I was saying but like I said before everybody gets all mad. 'cause you know how it is people get mad in the in the comments section. It'd be like what you'll be hit going at dwelling D. Wade like nobody's Kaplan. I think everybody feels like how you feel. I don't think anybody's in there like man. He's a hottest MC I am not I am no way no way shape or form a rapper or like Nah so I'm not here throw any shade on nobody criticism constructive criticism you know. I'm just critiquing his work and I'm just saying all right for your first time not bad to slow down on on your bars Get on the beat a little bit and put them inflection into your voices simplisafe. Come on his desk we'll poof possess. Maybe some glitter some. You know what I'm saying. Something some kind of sweat that was not any of these now to start prey on a Larry. Maybe some glitter. That's all you know what I mean. Nothing wrong with that. You know make make it. Sparkle make smart. That's all I'm saying work on that work on that. Just a tiny bit tiny tiny bit just a little bit but like I said not a bad job. No real talk. I've heard I've heard I've heard so much worse off not bad. That was your first pancake. I'm interested to see what the next one would be right. But don't make this a job at least got don't please. Oh God please. Don't go see you in a movie before I go buy your album. I'll czar even though basketball's owners are notoriously. Bad actor. Wait wait wait wait. W- who is this in the movie was Kevin Durant wasn't K. D. In a movie just recently and he wasn't stiff gyms. Somebody was uncut basketball player. Who was it they wasn't Lucas Lucas in the booth. Who Was it? I know for a fact. You're looking up right now on gems you know whenever they have to like say something or Garnet for commercial they'd be like so is Kevin Garnett. Thank you Kevin Garnett. And did he do? Did he do well great good for him? He did a good job. I mean he was playing himself but he did a great job in that movie he did good. You know what I'm saying but a lot of times. Yeah a lot of the basketball players that are so Kevin. Yeah how was your date very very stiff? Anything like his bars right. Like stiff eight. But this is first pancakes. I M saying. He just laying leaning on the right. You know what I'm saying to be. You know what I'm saying. No under saying lean into the. That's so true. Just trink- Kilo Frankie. Frankie Lamis relaxed man. Just relax tricky low leaning into the beat us some inflection into your voice to be lead so it doesn't sound like this the entire time. 'cause you do this. Burke WANNA sleep saying boy in the booth don't know what to say so anyway you know what I'm saying now is bars that now mainly worse. Can I say he's going to secure the bag anyway? Somebody's GonNa Billions of people are going to buy this this track. Anyway it's GonNa be playing somewhere guarantee Rick Ross on too so progress made it a rule song as soon as we parking me and I was like okay. Mic again with the shoe still to this day. I'm sorry mark musings one of my favorite favorite tracks of all time. So hey come on man. It's not a bad combo. You know what I mean you start and let him finish holidays. Mazal Tov anyway. We got to go to a quick commercial break. We got Steve Ewing coming up next very excited to talk way him. We'll be right back. 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We're still waiting on Steve to come through and he's still on route. I guess these roads are not so great all day. He'll be careful slick like me. Hey this look like me. There'll be car. Crashes Car accidents earlier Oh Lordy Lord Lack Day ardy anyway. I got some other stuff going on. Of course there's been the Batman Suit. Okay has literally leaked out. The I guess. One of the stunt doubles has been out there running around riding a motorcycle like the bat mobile or the bat cycle the back wheels and I don't even know what it's called somebody out. There is probably going to use stupid move but anyway you know you know. Call us to because it's not the batmobile because Malvo meals the car. I don't know what the motorcycle is. Do you know what that is Lucas? He's like no see. See I well. Actually you know right up here. Sports football is imaginary glasses. Up The up the rim of his nose up. The bridge of his nose went axles. Call them in Batman. Detective two chronicles seventeen. Thirty seven issue for five anyway. I'm just messing with you. Man Doesn't love you but anyway let's say it's a bad cycle bat wheels bat bike. I don't know anyway but the Alpha doesn't look so good and apparently he's going around on twitter and all all over social media and people that really about the APP. People are real upset about it just kind of like. Nah I ain't about that life. But they said the same thing about Christian Bale's outfit when they saw that as well when he was doing the dark knight the Batmans the original Batman movie and all that Christopher Nolan Vehicle. That kind of started everything. Yeah or at least restarted everything correction. So I don't know we'll see what happens with the the costume and the outfit and what it looks like in the near future when when it's actually under the lights and cameras and the actions of the actual movie but people are not really people are just not feeling it period foot but of course that's how it is. It's how people are look at the look at say. Captain Marvel which is a bad example because that movie was chores the Look Captain Marvel. And they'll they'll look at her often the go. Oh It's technically not right because of this this and this all the fan boys like to rip things apart. And he's like yeah they'd like to Nitpick and it's like you know when you're trying to recreate something that was drawn on a page. That's really hard hard hard. You know that gets really expensive and also give these people a little bit little bit of creative license. They don't yeah no not. It may not be exactly the same but it's going to be closed. No people get really set in their ways. People love especially in these worldwide webs. They have opinions about that. They're like holes. You know everyone's got one of them. You know they say about opinions so yeah people love to. I thought he was saying hose. Now they're like hey holes usually aero eight hulls everybody's got one. Yes and they stink like roses dove soap. I got good with that. Wow that's so much. Tm I I'm just saying that it's so much tm. I don't be ashamed today in the current list. All Up in the Harlem Naps Cross Moscow Russia. Yeah so that's what's going on with the Batman thing. I mean you know whatever. We'll see how the movie is. You know how it is. Batman is A tough thing. And how how many how many Batman movies are they're going to be until I die. Oh they're going to be after you die. They're still going to be a thousand. Why can't they stop? They won't keep going and going since bow. You REMEMBER PAL. Bang when we were kids. Don't WanNa Holy Toledo Batman Pal. How we ear and it's like okay. We get it it's evolved. That's for sure I mean. Shoot next thing you know. You're going to see a Bruce Wayne doing lines of cocaine you never know. It's been hard out here. You know what I mean you never know. Never know. He's just a heroin addict. You never know anymore. I mean it's it's crazy. How many versions of Batman there's been made and it's like we need we need. We need another superhero story other than Batman and Superman. You know what I mean Batman and Superman you know what I mean but but they're gonNa make some more you know they don't keep creating sorry. Steve. You just walked in Mike. No no hold on. Now you've got this whole doing signals like like yeah man like I'm doing a flash mob. Yeah anyway sorry about that. But yes Batman Back Batman. No one cares anyway moving on. Yeah but that's some really messed up stuff anyway. I don't really. We'll see how many Batman movies actually are created. It seems like we're at one hundred right and it just needs to stop Mon- personally it just needs to stop black but anyway what else. What is going on real quick weekly? We have on Saturday night though was the N. Double ACP awards which was full of a lot of black excellence. Okay I love these none. None other than black excellent. Where's black badness right whereas blackness not? Who is there okay? They were not president. I was I was like black sadness. Classy and elegant and gorgeous which I love because these are awards. Love it these we complain about we complain about the Oscars and we complain about the grammys. 'cause they don't do US write Hashtag so white this Hashtag this US Hashtag Sob- language at the show and he is no. I'm just playing. That's not that's not a black black. I was GONNA say blacks in this blacks and whites on God's blacks here for Weber's this terrible. There's black what what's netter in so quick. You say what say what now after I did. Take some of this. Racism was killing me. Anyway yeah them so I would. Just I'm GonNa talk about two of the the biggest awards of the night. Riana took home the president's award. What yes for what will because Riana is actually a freaking icon in her own right and so she you know. I feel like I feel like for her status. As she's reached its time and she also has like elevated in her poise. You can even tell. Her speech was very elegant. Immature like she basically said like we all have people of other other nationalities and races and genders and. Everybody who wants it and break bread with us. Raise your hand. If you're doing everybody raise their hand. And she's like okay so when we're online posts in about the Mike browns and Tamir Rice's or whatever. Tell them to pull up. Tell them to make oppose. Tell them to share. And I was like yes. The whole room was like applauding. 'cause she made a great point. You know we can S- like we've said this before we can talk to. We're blue in the face about injustice people aren't gonNA released are hearing it until people who look like them join us in the fight troops. Oh I thought. She gave a really great speech. Basically said this is not you know this is not about me because it's bigger than me and I loved her speech. The other big winner of the night was Lizardo. She went entered. What else is new? No for real. I wasn't surprised. She went entertainment of the year. She looked really classy and elegant and she gave a very profound speech as well. And I think we actually have that speech Lukas GonNa Play Force Nice. I got to meet all of my heroes tonight in this room. Ms Angela Bassett. Thank you for this award. It says it. I'm the entertainer of the year. But you are the entertainer period period hands down. Thank you so much I just want to settle all of the big black girls that I bring on stage with me. I do that because I want them to know that they are the trophies and since this is the final award of the night I don't even WanNa make it about me every last one of you. You are the award. We are so special. We are such a beautiful people. This is just a reminder of all the incredible that we can do God bless you own being an award. Okay Really Nice where we're going you said let's go down where we can take me. Eliza wherever you going I'm trying to go it ain't Taco Tuesday. I'm trying to go. I'll go get some case dillas where we going silly but yeah you can feel that any hollering space. Yeah she she she of course is she represents something really. She represents something. Something is weird. 'cause I can't say anything because if I say it sounds like I'm trying to make it in trying to be punny but I'm not trying to be funny. But she is representing. Something that's massive. It's a very big movement is a very big thing that she's she's representing. So you know as long as she keeps in this the the classy realm which which I love about extra damn time you okay. She even looked really elegant core ninety she really she really like me she performed and you know she had her stuff out. That's how little do and you know. Look Hey that's what you're going to get people out there that really enjoy that. Yeah that's the thing you know but she definitely brought a beautiful energy to the stage so quick to all image awards winners especially those two big winners of the night. Yeah that's Dope Dope. Anyway we gotta go into a quick commercial break when we come back. We're with Steve. Viewing the owner of Steve's hotdogs burgers will be right back. This is the pass cow. Show Back A. We're keeping a real all day on nine twenty. Am and six point nine FM. This is real talk wgn you. Hey Hey Hey. Hey welcome back. Thank you guys so much for tuning in to the Pascal show anyway like I said just a quick reminder we do have a podcast go and check it out on spotify and all that stuff you missed our show you get a chance to look us up on podcast so any of the major streaming sites. We've got Jackie Buck in the house. You what why? Don't you tell them? Really quick the the where what what streaming size were on for podcast. 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Our Youtube channel would really really mean a lot. We've been working hard for the money. You know what I mean so. I'm getting really musical for reason because we got somebody in the house. That's very very musical as well but he also owns his own restaurant. Called Steve's hot dogs and BURGERS USED TO BE Steve's hot dogs and Burgers I know. So we got Steve Ewing in though rose from the urge. You know what I'm saying if he knows what I'm talking about ongoing inside job anyway. My brother what is going on man. We're back in the game slinging hotdogs man slinging them hot dogs. Yeah I mean it's it's some yeah. Okay Okay let's let's retract really quick because obviously a lot has been going down. A lot has happened in a very short amount of time now. One day few months about a month ago. If I'm correct right almost a month almost a month ago few weeks ago. Let's just say that vernacular semantics a few a few weeks ago. You put out that you were going to be put doing one more. You're going to have your last day. Having Steve the Steve Hotdogs burgers open right. You'RE GONNA have one more day and it's going to be closed forever. You know I remember texting you and talking with you and you're like man it's just this wild it's over and then all of a sudden. I'm dead dead serious. I look at facebook just a few days ago and what happened. We What we were shutting down right we had to because we were hemorrhaging cash and it was like. I can't operate this way so we were ready to shut down. The last week of sales were unbelievable. People came out. People come out from everywhere. People were traveling from out of town while to come in and buy one last time so at the end of that week we had some good sales. We able to pay bills and we were able to attract some investors. Some partners that wanted to come in and keep the shop going and kind of help out with operation with marketing and also on the on the back in the thing. So that's what I need it right. You just needed some just a little bit of help. Yeah I really did need a little bit of financial help so I mean like I mean. Of course I don't mean to pry or get too personal or anything but like how much the whole were you guys before you guys closed. But we asking right. I mean it wasn't crazy just was hemorrhaging cash with payroll so we had to shut down so it was more of that operating where we were at. I couldn't keep doing it so we had. We had to stop it was. We're that far in the hole. Just I just kept losing money with payroll okay and so it was. We need to stop doing that. And kind of regroup and re and put the business back together and can I start over. So that's that's really what was happening. I had two locations at a hill location. Yeah and the Tower. Look Grove location. Stayed in my lease at that location as long as I could until it was up and that one was not the sales. Were good at the Hill Location. So we stayed in there and we were like. I said we were losing money on location or the other most doing just fine so we toughed it out as long as we could and we had to stop. Yeah so this this works out really nice can have them come in help. Clean up the books and everything on the back end in this marketing thing going. Yeah so if you don't mind like going back with me to the time before the angel investor let's call that person the angel investor row quick. Where were where were you mentally when you guys made the decision to say okay? Looks like we're going to have to close our doors for good. I was in a bad place I mean but I mean it was. It was not fun it was not happy. Yeah I've been doing this for eleven years so I mean it was really sad very sad so thinking about it in Hindsight. I probably should have closed before that. It's just one of those things was sentimental trying to tough it out trying to stay open house we could But yeah it was very tough. I'm very emotionally tough. Yeah Yeah I so I mean it was. Was it a thing that you've always known for a little while or was it kind of spur of the moment like we gotta shut up. We gotta shut down close. After we closed the hill location. We would have maybe a good year to try to turn things around trying to dig out together the whole little bit and we just weren't moving that quickly so I mean okay so when you close the hill location how long. How long ago did you close the hill location? That was August of twenty nine thousand nine. Oh okay so it's been a little bit. It's been a little bit it's been a little bit okay and then obviously okay. So then there's a few months later more. You know a little while later and then that's when you're like all right this is so we were entering into a slow season ends. Well keep going. We always traditionally slowdown in January February. Most restaurants too and so like man is going to be hard to tough it out through this if if it was if I was in the summer months. Yeah it'd be different probably could've toughed it out with the good summer sales whatever we were heading into slow season. Oh boy of course one second I do have to say this to everybody out here too so because I know that people are are tuning in and watching and of course they're supporting you and tune in so if you guys have anything that you want to say to. Steve Ewing live on the show. Today you can give us a call at three one. Four eight eight zero zero eight. Zero eight gives a call. You know what I'm saying. I know that he's super excited about this news about them reopening their doors and it's fantastic news but I'm sure he would love to hear some of your voices live on the show today so give us a call. Three one four eight zero zero eight zero eight now. Can we start from the very beginning? Because I know that like obviously you were stealing from the urge but and of course that is still very very popular band. But what made you go you know? Let me let me start vending hotdogs. Let me start doing this business. Where did ask? Where did the origin of the idea come from? That initially started from us being on the road a lot and and eating street food. Yeah well we're out on tour and things and it just looked like okay. This guy's making a killing on the street after hours after show so we we have been out playing quite a bit. I was doing one hundred shows a year at this point. Yeah and so one thing. I noticed a lot of venues I was at. There's no food after hours like in some of the cities there was no street food and this was twenty ten or something like something like that. You know what I mean. Yeah food truck thing hadn't really taken off yet so it was like. There's no street food so that was ideas I may. I should get in this game so we started doing that first. And then we figured out that we like to lunch better because we weren't chasing audience where we weren't chasing the business so we started shop on the hill Did really well. And then we expanded into the Tower Grove Shop. Like about four years later. Yeah that's really cool man and then of course it was always hot dogs and then so now you are. You went into burgers. We added this smokers about two two and a half years ago. Yeah Yeah because I was something cause you were always doing hotdogs before that so we have dogs. Sausages read a number of sausages and Mac and cheese. Voles were big for US Yum yum. Yeah so the whole menu of Mac and cheese balls we added that about six or seven years ago Burgers were kind of next progression was like how do we do it? How do we have that smoke? And how do we make it different from what other folks are doing? Bro? Yeah so I'm GonNa go go to some of these. Some of these comments required Damaris. Demarcus SAYS STEVE. Very simple very simple. Kula Sarah says thank you. Steve Ewing for being honest and vulnerable. Business ownership is so difficult. Great to hear your location will be saved. Yeah Yeah where where in how? Where did you get the news? Where did you get the news that your your doors were going to be reopened? I mean like was it like a sit down type of situation or was it somebody who just called and said Hey man I love your food and I just want to how much you need man. I'll write a check right now. Here's a process of of you know after we. After we closed down we were in contact with some friends of mine. And my my new partners were originally friends of mine and we worked on some stuff before Marketing and business wise. And when we close. Like if. You've still feel like you want to do this. We LOVE TO BE INVOLVED. And so at that point we had to go through the process of just relicensing and all that kind of stuff and so for the past three weeks. We've been doing all that kind of stuff. Ooh Okay so we. We kind of made that decision after we closed that we were going to keep it going and so when we were going to open we didn't know. So we were just hustling fastest. We could with licensing and all the business stuff to get. Yeah so when? Are you guys officially reopening Wednesday? This Wednesday wow wow. I thought it was going to be like next week or like okay. Yeah wow same. Same location same location. Wow so that even the landlord was cool with it. Knows like all right. Let's just you know I wait. Don't worry I'll wait. Wow that's incredible. News Man Yeah. But what's so great is going to be a jerk. I'm going to do it anyway. So when you said we're going to close our doors right. Was that in hopes that maybe you'd be able to reopen your doors again type of thing in my mind it was like. Was it like a marketing? It was because I had in my mind already had to put into gear the process of closing. Yeah you know what I mean which is almost the same as opening one closing just as difficult so in my mind. I was already on that track to like okay. We're GONNA we're closing so let's go through that process for months or too long. It takes to get out yeah. My man was already there because I had had to kind of get myself ready for that process and it wasn't until until we had that last night and the day after that I talked to my friends about about reopening so and it took a second for me to get him back on the idea of reopening. So because you gotta go get your kind of self in that frame of mind. We got all this stuff to do that. So as far as like the the approach that you have now now that you've got this. Br second breath of life for the for the location. Is there anything in particular that you're going to do different this time around? We're concentrate on customer service big time and the product quality. All the things like all the little things that you kind of take for granted having to multiple locations whatever. We'll be able to really concentrate on which is having the one and I got some help on the marketing side of things and one of my other partners. Cpa so I got help on on accounting so not doing everything myself more okay. So we're able to kind of handle more tasks and and the mentality still growth yup for all of us so ideas get back on our feet and franchise this get ready to grow. Yeah Yeah and you know just because you're taking a step back sometimes. You've gotta take a step back so you make that leap forward. So that's that's really huge. So when you say that you were going to reapproach like quality like the the attention to details were what was lacking before the Menu. Got Crazy insane. It was like thirty items on the menu. Oh right got just crazy so yeah. We looked at that. We backed off on a on. A few things are quite a few things. Whatever that just really want selling that great. Yeah but took up a lot of inventory. Now we're able just concentrate on the big sellers that we've been selling for the past eleven years. Yeah and start doing more collaborations with some other restaurants to be on the creative side of things okay so instead of just kind of making the menu this huge with a million things start working with some other restaurants and start pulling some ideas from them on weekly basis. Okay like featured like a monthly featured type of Burger or a hot dog type thing. Okay Nice Cool. Any collaboration with the battle hawks then blue bad hawks. We've we've been kicking all around yet. Yes FECTA okay. I'd love to be involved with the hawks. It'd be real cool. Yes super cool right. Yeah something different well. That's that's amazing man. I'm I'm very excited for you. I'm very excited for you because it goes to show to you. That Saint Louis really does support. Saint Louis Oh you know what I mean like. There are people out there even myself. I'll say it myself sometimes take off. Saint Louis doesn't support Saint Louis but then when it comes to something like this it's very. It's very moving you know because I was heartbroken when you told me that you guys shut your doors fun. It's terrible new. Man is terrible news but the but the fact that Saint Louis came together and was like no you know what I mean and that always helps and you got to prove yourself and Saint Louis. Kinda like with anything you say Louis. Show me state always. They've always been supportive. Yeah so I'm I'm extremely happy. Thank you to everyone. No kid no is an amazing man. A Beautiful Story. I'm super hype about it. Man So outside of Hot Dogs Burgers. We got to talk about the urge. Obviously you know what I mean like. We can't just you're here you can't just have you walk out without talking about your band. So what's going on with the urge right now? This new a big year for the urge because really are too much stereo record turns twenty this year. Really receiving to flavor record turns twenty-five Nice so we have quite a bit. I don't see a ton of turing where we're GONNA do a little bit of road stuff to share and then we always have our big pageant shows and then we're working on a couple of big. Saint Louis shows this summer. So there's a lot of things in the works rats. I would urge so it's GonNa be a great year. I just. I wonder how you have time. I know that you have the urge. Then you have your own band. Then you have your acoustic duo thing. Do you know what I mean. So where do you find the time to do all of this stuff and are you going to maybe taper back well offer some of these responsibilities really work that way? Okay I can. Have you got projects you have things to do? And you figure it out you know what I mean you dive into it and you start figuring out how to make it work so okay but yeah. I don't imagine like taking time off or stepping back at this point. I mean I feel good. I mean okay. Okay from one control freak to another okay. No no no I mean you know the Eschaton control-freak control-freak anonymous a not. Okay and need anyway. Yeah so clearly clearly because you got so many different things that you're doing and you're doing it all yourself so I mean you know you have your your restaurant. It's it's getting a new search right right. I'm getting so it's getting a new search. You're getting out there. It's obviously you know God is giving you a another opportunity here to get it right in a way. You know what I'm saying with all due respect more so in a way it's like maybe wouldn't you think that maybe you know fate or the the stars are trying to tell you? Hey you know step back just a little bit. Give the responsibilities other things and focus on the you know what I mean right. So yes my main thing is. Don't get your point is getting help right or utilizing folks around me. That can do a lot of things with the past couple of years. Instead of being my own agent I've I've hired an agent so contemporary books shows now so I just put it on my own stuff. So contemporaries recommend shows now with having a partner in business. A lot of marketing and accounting. Things can be handled that so I'm not gonNA necessarily slow down. Just be able to. Less things will fall through the cracks. I'll be more efficient to get more done. And you work out also bodybuilding and doing all that stuff to work with true true. No no facts but at the same time. It's like damn when you have time to even sleep. Let alone do all the stuff you know what I'm saying. It's it's a lot of stuff it's a lot there's a lot. I can only imagine it being so overwhelming especially at a time yet to separate locations you know what I mean with two locations. It got really crazy. Yeah it really did in. Hindsight probably should've taken on partnership as we moved into the second location because the workload didn't double exponential. It was crazy. How much work you have to do to run to places like once enough to you is crazy. Yeah Yeah so. We're we got a new start with so we're back and we're back where we should be so. Yeah and I'm super excited for you man. I mean obviously this angel investor and all. That is a godsend and I'm excited to see what the the new version of. Steve Steve's hotdogs Burgers is gonNA look like it's. I'm super excited to see what happens with you know what I mean. You guys got some really great stuff. So congratulations big time so Wednesday Wednesday opening Wednesday guys Steve. Hot Dogs and BURGERS RE opening their doors on Wednesday. It is super exciting. And you know this is a great example of the community coming together and getting getting e every having everybody's back having a person's back or business a local businesses back that is so huge and I'm so excited for you Steve. Congratulations thank you for being here man. I appreciate it man. You know we gotta go to a quick commercial break. We'll be right back this the Pascal show by what's up y'all you're on. Wgn Nine Twenty am and one zero six point nine FM REAL. Talk for real. Say Louis yes welcome. Welcome back to the past. Kaos show man. What a wonderful conversation I had with. Steve Ewing shot at the Steve. Young man from the urge. Anyway this is my brother. I know that dude man and he's really incredible and the fact that all you Saint Louis is out there came together. I love it and rose. His restaurant back up from the ashes means so much Rothman. That went out of business. Eighteen Times not going going out of business sale and all of sudden they're back up and going and then like three months later goes out of business right right name a business going out of business. Yeah that's a good thing you know. It's all sales all the time business name. That business pulled up to write this down. I'm sorry I gotTa share the light a little bit. You don't WanNa let there be lie anyway. I got some breaking news. This is breaking news right now literally just came out live. This is live is against. Y'All oh my Lord. I what's going on well Harvey Weinstein has been found guilty in criminal. Sex Act WHOA. It's shocking good for him. Because they be daily slipping with these verdicts exactly. Because there's only a few days ago. Let me just say this is only a few days ago the it was like a hung jury or something like that or or some weird like the jury wanted to say. Oh we wanted to find him guilty for only one thing a one and two things and then go half and half on another and of course the judge was like no no no no no no we need to have all it has to be unanimous. It has to be unanimous decision. So y'all go take the weekend off and come back on Monday with a full concrete verdict. So yes this disgraced movie mogul Harvey Weinstein. Of course. Obviously he has been known. As one of the biggest influential powerbrokers has been found. Guilty of two of the five counts against him Of the five. I wonder I wonder if you know. Look when you're up for so when there's so many against you something's GonNa stick right so now obviously. Weinstein who is sixty seven years old is was was convicted of first degree criminal. Sex Act for the assault of one of the women his his assistant. I'm not gonNA say her name. Miriam I don't know how to save her last name. Inside of his Soho apartment in two thousand six and third and also was convicted of third degree rape for the assault of former actress. Jason Man Jessica. May I'll say Jason. Sorry the Plot Jessica man so he was cleared of first degree rape and most of the serious charge charges against him as far as predatory sexual acts but which would have carried him with a possibility of life in prison. But right now because of those two because of those two Being being found guilty for these two to axe he is looking at possibly twenty five years in prison. That's like life. That's that's life for him and you know and he has another trial coming up. He's facing up to twenty so they might have them go in and he might be there for ten. It could be anything you know what I'm saying so yeah you never know. So how does it depends on how he who he Money he's how much he who Greece's. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Whatever what pockets. Greece's you never know what I know that he has another trial coming up. This was one then. He has another one. I think where this trial at this job was in New Yorker La. If I'm correct this was in New York so he has one in L. A. Coming up right after this one. He was facing more charges and they have a whole another trial so I wonder how they do that. If you get convicted like what are they going to jail bus okay and you go there and get more sentencing sentencing any jail outfit and all right maybe maybe nowadays get Super Lazy and just do a via skype or something like that. You know what I'm saying right. Okay you feel me crazy that's I'm happy for it though for the victims. Feel justified and you can only do. You can only go but for so long. Treat people like trash. It is catches up to you. It is a very tragic situation in a way but it is very triumphant because this is somebody who has been getting away with basically murder for a very very long time and you know from the accounting stories basically right. He's been getting away with all kinds of crazy stuff. So the man you know. He's getting exactly what he deserves and hopefully he just sits there and he rots just to be completely straightforward with you. Because that is something. He's too many good movies. I don't give Jane on any that because that is he's a terrible human being terrible human being in the fact that he's walking around with these walkers with the with the tennis balls is trash China. Don't even I don't even know what kind of ailment he has. But why a brain ailment of rape ailment. Yeah he has a repealment and he's just trying to play us but the whole Walker thing to give sympathy but unbelievable. We're not buying it unbelievable. It is what it is. You know what I mean. But that is breaking news right now. Harvey Weinstein has been found guilty of rape. Everybody we're going to go to a quick commercial break. We'll be right back this the Pascal show I this is real talk from Real Saint Louis streaming live are real talk. Wgn YOU DOT com. Yes welcome back to the Pascal. Show coming in hot right now. Oh well let's get into some other breaking news. Jackie Buck while it's going on what I WANNA juicy smollet juicy say it's Jesse Josh. It's juicy him. I can't I can't hear juice things so. He pled not guilty to the renewed hoax. Charges AND HIS APPEARANCE. Today came almost a year after the dating. Prosecutors dropped similar charges against him the first time But I guess the two brothers that were arrested but weren't charged as it said that they were paid by him to stage that Whole scene and so there's a new special prosecutor that has interviewed them. They've said that they'll go on on the stand and bear witness or whatever and So we'll get to that it's GONNA unfold here over the next coming days or weeks we shall see Chicago. Wants one hundred. Thirty Thousand Dollars Spent holiday investigate in the whole situation. That that's crazy man. So that's new that's new. That's what he gets additional breaking news man kidneys. Welcome to our world. You know what I mean raising new. I mean crazy people. There's so much craziness going on that. I'm dislike by the stories that we have going on is beyond me right now because we will talk beyond me but we're going to say no. I was going to say this is the information. Age can be rather overwhelming. Sometimes there's a lot to take in a whole comes in and it comes installed quickly all day every you know exactly and so so so you WanNa talk about it and so this is kind of like a segue into our next piece. It comes in quickly. You wanted to talk about it. Get People's opinions on it just as quickly as it comes and it gets debunked so we just reported the other day talked about the rumors about Lauren. London right and she has basically denied these rumors about her dating ditty. She said quit plane with me and my name. Wow you're put respect on Monday. Yeah she's basically saying that. Those were complete rumors. All one hundred percent made up people just together what they thought from pictures And that she would never. I'm telling you right now that there were so many people that were so angry because we put that up on on on Youtube all by itself. Was that video up into question. More than anything. It was more of a discussion and people. Just got so damn heated. And it's like wow y'all like I understand trust. We're not here trying to be all about you know we're not against. Nipsy of all people I mean you know. We're here to respect his name to. We're here to respect her name to but we're also here spitting the news that we got to you know but at the same time this is from the stuff that we're seeing all over social media where we're going okay. Is this true or not. We don't know but we're GONNA talk about it because that's what the rest of the world is talking about so man. I mean she for her to have to make a statement. It was obviously something that needed to be addressed because enquiring minds where you know people like us and others were like what's going on because that was happening we were all shocked hidden. Yeah just like say what's so Good to know she has said quick plane were Lauren. We heard you. We ain't playing with you but I'm going to play devil's advocate. I'm sorry I am so sorry to play devil's advocate I. Am YOU WANNA know why I'm about to say this is because there's a lot of this you're getting some things out there? Things are being. Put out there right about a rumor. Of course you want to save face you still wanna you. Don't WanNa look like you're somebody who's running around throwing stuff out there like that you don't WanNa disrespect the man that you were in love with an all that. So could she be saying this? I hate to play devil's advocate but I am because she be saying that to save face She could be but I'm about it. She totally could be but I honestly. When I first heard that news it sounded so far left to me not just because of nipsy but because of cassie being her friend I know as a friend. That's such a stretch. You know what I mean so so I believe her because at the end of the day I wouldn't like most girls are not gonna do that to their to their good friends. If they're good friends so I'll say this Shaniqua on on our youtube feet said Shaniqua says fake news the Internet is just a messy and in all caps so she really wanted to make sure we heard her. We hear you should Nikolayev I thank you so much for the comment but yes yeah. You're right I mean the the Internet is ridiculous. People are out there. Just trying to find drama trying to find things you know when we sat there and said there's receipts is because of the stuff that we got from. Social media is all the stuff that was screened shot in captioned and all that stuff and like I said in the video before. It's like you know in the last the last episode that we talked about this. It's like you know it's like man people's zoom in and do some. Fbi like you guys are worse than you guys better than the FBI are sometimes not in this case but in most cases. Yeah you guys are out here going like Oh yeah you know you see that you see that? Whip in the background. That's that's his. Whip right exactly because if you look at the other videos of the Blah Blah Blah you know what I'm saying like they do all this crazy. Fbi BREAKDOWN CSI type of stuff is like wow crazy. What you guys can do right. You know what I mean so it probably most likely is fake news. The Internet likes to one with things it does. Yeah it does like the run with things especially that would have been so hot news so. I'm glad it's false it is. I'm sure that clarity Laurie. Yes yes we need. I've seen shut us down. Shut up shut up and slap on his show mountain smack the taste out. Yo Mouth. Don't taste nothing. No tastes nothing no mo anyway you know there are people who were born today you know. Yeah ooh yeah. You know some coupons a day like your daughter she was she was born today days he turns and some people just having to be lucky to walk through the Velvet Curtains and breathe in this thing called life and actually become celebrity status. So it's time for some celebrity birthdays. What'S GOING ON JACKIE BATTLE? We got this gentleman who is an entrepreneur and he passed away at age fifty six and two thousand eleven from San Francisco California and majority of us nine nine android users use this phone Steve. Abject he was born today. What is today same day? Is My baby. This is GonNa be so sentimental for me. It'd be only amazing. People know bums no bombs. Bad NAME WON'T BE A billionaire. Eighty two years old today Born in one thousand nine hundred thirty eight out of Portland Oregon and this entrepreneur Is the CO founder of the famous Shoe Company? Nike allow stepped down in Two Thousand Fifteen Mike Nike Phil Knight the MIC night. Did you run a laugh and win at the hell was that Mike go ahead fifty four years old today out of Chicago Illinois. He became known as Calvin Hawke Link From Titanic. He's also was in the role in the Phantom Others knew him as Huey from dead. Calm are you talking about? He played a henchman and back to the future. And the future to me Pascal. You know these guys names. Jerkin titanic. Yeah I know a billy billy billy. I forgot his name. Learn these aims. You want to be with her or him. Some of the guys you want to be with him. He was heinous. No he has no money mother and then he dies on the boat. No he doesn't know he like pulled off. She owes sees all our have trouble. I'm Oh she got really people like that. Beginning AHEAD. There feel fish shellfish. And then you got jack the Good Guy Jack. Just dead just because he is a good guy. There's room for me on the door but I won't get any broom on that man. Don't get me started. I know we will hold at that length. And she's like I won't say we have to sidebar. Did you hear? Leonardo DiCaprio saved a drowning person's life recently. He's someone was drowning yacht. Saved their. I've just think how imagine you're drowning and the person who saves your life is Jack. Is Leonardo Dicaprio? This really just happened last week. He's a I drown so I learned how to swim real quick. Yeah I'm a strong swimmer. That's ridiculous that's ridiculous. That really happened. Live turn anyway. Turning twenty nine years certain Los Angeles California actor and rapper is best known for portraying his father ice cube. Oh his son. I convoys named his name Nice Cubed Junior Jackson Jr also in the recent just mercy. Movie to actually does a good job in that movie. We'LL TALK. He's actually pretty. Tounsi started just running a little bit. It'd be so. We got the rapid uptodate for birthdays. We have a forty three year old out of Grand Rapids Michigan. Just five division world champion boxer who has won fifteen world titles and become known for his loud mouth and Brash personality. Is He dead? Forty-three own thing in the last couple of days. He said that in the Bron- was named the athlete of the decade. He came out and said No. I should be the athletes. They know it is wonder who has all the money all the money. He's and he's an floyd mayweather. I can't Oh may weather. I CANNOT STAND FOR. Wow should sneak was on point on this thing. She's like she's ahead. Oh She yes. She was like floyd allow she said. Fm ON LIKE WHAT IS FM. Me No but I thought she was. I thought it was like a curse right but she was cursing or something. I don't know what that means. But then she was like she was on it with Steve and the two Dane. Thank you Dan you okay anyway. So then the birthdays birthday birthday. That's it that's it you're suck. There's a whole bunch of youtubers and take talkers. Know we're all GONNA be like who? Who Cares Karen? We'RE GOING TO SELL THEM. Like a bunch of als in here. It's like who who who spin our heads like this ever seen a picture of an hour without feathers. It looks like an alien. Oh I can imagine that you're looking it up right now. You're like I'm GONNA show you 'cause y'all know what's going to sightings people have at night when they're looking up in trees and stuff into AL's without feathers. Yeah it's it's kind of disturbing scary sites. Yeah mean an alien came down and got my bro- our whole rose. Yeah show them on. That is in the alien them. They deserve I deserve to be disgusted. Alien Atom wanted to be the only one dealing with that by the way we got a new. We got a new friend shouldn't Equa- she's she's from East Oakland. Hey He's Oakland what's up. You know what I'm saying and then shot the show. Is that the e? Oh Yeah Oh additon. He's Oakland that might be the right way to tell you should let me ask you this is how do you guys call? East Oakland. Hey you know what I mean we. Yeah and because you want to feel thuggish now because that's that's how you made blood use and so I don't know what that is. Oh you said blood juicy says said Bud. He's not my blood. Okay No blood use but I thought I was like what bugs use. That's another compensate. What is bud you a blood use? Though it's like you take them on liquor. Drink it down to like the label? Like the top label. You take your favorite like Kool aid packet and you put it in there and then you take some port wine and you fill it up top that off and you can't be real quick in the fridge for like a half hour yup that's called it's called blackout you back. So she said other ways of calling it is bay area the town and Black Panther city. Well conduct forever. I part of the Bay area before you've you've heard of the bay area. I'm too I heard you guys ready to be referred to but I didn't know that it was East Oakland that that's what I meant to say. The e Oh yeah Oh okay so listen look look look. I found this right. What what did you find five five nine? I found it. This is this was on. This was earlier this year in January. Leonardo DiCaprio and his friends helped save a man's life after the stranger fell over. Not letting this literally go. He is he is. He was vacationing with his friends. And his girlfriend. Okay rented boat near St Bart's and they heard there was an emergency call for a man who had drunkenly fallen overboard from Club Med yacht and he and his friends decided to join the starch and saved this man's life crazy. I'm waiting for them to come out and say that Leo pushed him over. Started those fires right and he's like you get home my phone get into Angola this ready. You Rolling okay. Thank you crazy. I thought that was so freaking. I'm like my my sister. Saw the headline. She was like I'd like to drown please. She's like hello. I WanNa Drown Tomorrow Leo. Come save me. I'm sure you are. You're a whole man. Yes he's a whole woman yes difference. Oh and she loves that she likes liles. He loves that Leo like that. I don't know I like Lille to. He's very smoking very hard. Okay that was gonNA very smoking. Like why is he smoking? He's because that's what happens when the wet wood on fire smoke like is he a wet piece of wood. He's smoking high okay. I was lowered their case. You were concerned about what that meant. He's smoking thank you so much for letting me know that he what you think of him. Yeah you know on a sexual most Peop- most most women agree. I think there's this group of guys don't forget the other side now word because other shovel non-political anyway. We gotta go into a quick break before we get politically incorrect. This the Pascal show. We'll be right back back. We're keeping a real all day on nine twenty. Am and one. Oh six point nine FM. This is real talk. Wgn You welcome back. 'cause I'm all up in my opinion because as the pass count show while terrible. Lost the beat completely dwayne. Wade out delay. That was terrible. There we go anyway here days. We got some interesting information going on. We got a whole lot of mets going on her again. Anyway again. Another one anyway. We gotta get going okay so there is also this other information. That's been going on as of recently covering Eh this story about this woman named Laurie Valo. She's a woman from Idaho. She has been hiding her children. I guess people have been wanting the basically the law have has been wanting her to produce her children to show that her children are still around she. A quick back story is she has been. She was married before her husband was murdered by her sibling. One of her siblings She remarried with another man. Who does his spouse had died as well. They married within weeks. Within months of each other's specific spouses deaths. Okay they shack up and they move out to Hawaii all right now. Everybody's been sitting there wondering where our Laurie valoise children? Her children just literally disappeared. She went to Hawaii. They've all been sitting there saying we need to see fiscal proof physical evidence that this that your children are still alive. She has a seven year old son named Joshua or he goes by. Jj and she has a seventeen year. Old Daughter named Tyler Tyler Ryan and they both just recently disappeared. I Know Jack has more of the story someone to throw it over to you man to man. She was arrested in July and currently is on a five million dollar warrant like a bond And so by the end of January. She was supposed to produce her children in Idaho and she did not so. They arrested her. She's sitting in a cell block right now and now right now she can either choose to fight her extradition from Hawaii. Back to Idaho or she just can go ahead and go back but then she'll face criminal charges there for breaking the deadline that was set up against her and then I don't I don't know if these kids are alive. Man Yeah I mean those producing them. No one knows where they're at. There's no additional family that has them and they've been missing since September and then they've also been trying to contact the husband. The new husband is well and he's not saying anything at all either and what's wild is just the fact that there's been so much death on both ends so her her husband died. His wife died as well got to get and then they got together less than a year in less than less than not even months. It seems and now the kids are missing. Yes yes so basically. They killed their spouses. Oh Yeah Oh yeah absolutely is now this is. This is a breeding saying this. I don't know about the facts. Okay this is not facts. Yes what I ask. We have no background information of than just that. But I'll say this to what's really breaks. My heart is there is one of her. Kids has autism as well. And it's kind of like I know that shouldn't add more drama or sadness to it but it's like the two special needs in seventeen years old. I mean it hasn't even really gotten a chance to really live life. Both of them having even had a chance to live life yet and now they're quote unquote missing and they've been missing for five months. Oh no they've been asking for four actual proof physical proof right that these children are still that are. They're still on this planet and she has not produced not one piece of maintaining that they are alive. No it doesn't say. Part of the actual lawsuit is saying that she read this here their lawsuit alleges that. Avello or abandon her two minor children delayed law enforcement's attempts to locate her children and encourage another individual to delay law enforcement's attempts to locate children so basically trying to dodge. And you know the thing is. There's all of this is like if there's no there's bodies of course then they can't. It's hard to move forward with D. You know seeing that they're dead so it's like how would we even do with her how to how do we center? There's more to this story as well. Valo is also reported to be linked to a doomsday cult. Oh that makes sense now. Yes so there's been a least three people that are connected to this whole situation that are being investigated in regards to their deaths being investigated in regards to this particular cult. God you know. Of course she's she's. She was charged with the Felony Felony of the desertion of the children. And of course she's not saying anything she's just keeping her mouth shut her lips sealed which is wild and of course like. I said these there. I don't know they. Just they shacked up the got married and they left went to Hawaii now. The thing my question is why. Wouldn't they disbelieve? The the country period eliminate thought they did a good point. Maybe they thought they did. Maybe THEY THOUGHT THEY. They left the mainland stupid stupid. Yeah but that's real. That is real like I said some of these stories. You can't even write. You can't even make these things up. It's so messed up. That actually make a good movie. Yeah no it will. It'll be a lifetime movie in two seconds. Lattes you don't think it'll be the trash easiest thing you know a a you know Maria domain or whatever. Her name is it will be the main character right. You know what I'm saying. Just just give it a second. You know what I'm saying or who else hilary play. The wife and we always it will be some some actress. That has no has nothing else better to do you know what I mean. Who's the lifetime movies? I'm sorry I don't mean shave bathroom shake because nothing else going on. You know they'll do this. You know silly script to just do this handy. Hey we haven't had a sister gotta eat kinda thing lifetimes to now. She's doing those you know what I mean. Don't get me started on that. And that's another conversation. Big Shoutout to Vivica. Though she's legendary fan is less than I am a huge fan. I'M NOT GONNA lie fused fan so I got a little bit of turn on that one. Go ahead so Elon Musk his boring company. The company is that he has boring our N G. He started boring company and basically is a has huge drills that go and bore holes and probably probably what he's pitching it for is to have like underground highways no basically how right and so. They just finished their first like drilling their first mile. Long Hole in Vegas and it goes from like one location to another and people be able to be transported. They say on the on carts or I guess Bus type things at one hundred and fifty five miles per hour underground goto from now they go on one blasio hotels the GM or something like that. So as I walked the streets or whatever you can go within a minute you can be to the next big hotel but this is an in place yet now. He just finished drilling. Okay now. They're going to do all of the rest of the staff. It only took them three months to get the whole tape tunnel built. One of the things that they're talking about doing was doing out for from Vegas okay. So here's what makes me nervous about that. All the earthquakes wakes and sinkholes actually say that because of where they dig and how far down they are that it's less like the vibrations from earthquakes aren't bad down underneath the ground. It's on top is. We're all the vibrations and affects her. Because what are those things called the psycho under his seismograph? No it's like when you drill holes and it's called Oh my God thing where they pump the oil out of racking fracking. Yes so watching mouth. Okay just make a whole. And that's it with fracking. They're pumping water and stuff down into different pumping stuff out on the ground. A little more disruption. I think when you frac a lot of things come out right. Childish Kid in First Grade Teacher was passed. I said Hell Elementary School for show for shellfish. Oh but anyway. There's always one kid. Okay Buddy keep all right and now I do want to say this though a left. Turn another left. Turn by the way. There's a reason why I got this now. I was wondering about this the whole episode. I'm like my man's got a whole because there has been a report that run. A virus has been found in Saint Louis in wildwood where that's Chesterfield suggests waste. That's like tumbleweeds. Oh West so far. How THIRTY MINUTES. That's not it. It Ain't no Louis. Somebody apparently has the look it up. I not seeing check. Fake News broke out that he's starting to walk. I want this. Is the flag thing on twitter? Would work if you're if you're getting stuff from a website that has like a bunch of letters and symbols and doesn't have a dot com. Oh no no I was GONNA play. I was not looking at like some weird thing that cult site or side. The literature says Fake News Dot Com and people were like this is real. This is real Barack Obama's gay. You know it's like no. What are you talking about divorce? Apparently a divorce watch the power couple. My forever president at K. believe loves him. That's a great Saint Louis County website at this time. There are no cases and Saint Louis County or Missouri. Okay maybe Wildwood New Jersey. New Jersey in Wildwood New Jersey. This is this is what I give for listening to my girlfriend. Alison. I'm not throwing nobody under the Klusman. Nobody under the boss. I I heard the buzz. Pull off. Just Google Allison. What do I do think we hit something to go back? Rewind rebirth star. I bet you is. Why would cause I did hear about something in New Jersey though actually come onto buyers? Look I mean it's I bet you that's what it is spreading for sure. I heard just earlier today about a maybe it was either New York or maybe it was New Jersey. I can't remember one of the two but it was the new. It was a new okay. It was a new right. And it's an and it sparked my interest because that's where I'm like. Oh New York. Yeah but you know. I don't know it's Kinda crazy okay. That's fine it could be fake news. It could go. What were you wearing that mask? Because you're talking about the iphone so I was going to segue into that. Yeah go ahead. No you don't have your face joining me. I don't know I don't have so they're on talking about an idea of since everybody's been you know rocking these masks. As of recently were running around with all these face masks and it's very hard to open or unlock your phone so a lot of people are trying to say like. Hey It'd be really great to come up with. They've faced face recognition type of like imprinted. Your face on the mass. So you can actually look into your phone. Unlock your phone without actually having to rip down. Everybody's really scared about pulling down the thing because everybody don't nobody. Don't nobody WANNA back us your password being finger. I know I know. But they're like wouldn't it be great if we had an imprint of the lower? Half of my face to face masks on the face mask so I can actually do. It's like no no you guys ten years ago thinking of this situation. How would we think about this? I've right not like this for an about face. Imprint on a mass. So you don't have to type your code and on your phone or ever. Yeah Hey you know a all I'm saying is there's a lot of lazy as people out there. Okay you're lazy ten years ago. We wouldn't have heard about this until it wasn't wild word. Exactly Brecca mudder. They would have found a way to keep from. Did you read the paper? Today you read? The dove came down and dropped off. Scrolled toadfish about the coronal versus coronal goose. Long leg news to take a long time back in the day with them with them. Send a Raven Sunda rival in the US in a dove and you into a raven. What about the carrier pigeons? Oh yeah that's nine. Sorry Jack I took it. Over the game of thrones. That's why didn't show. Not Pa. Text takes a day. It's so ridiculous as to get the message year. Maybe a fortnight's of ought I learned of it to his glorious summer. Ask Not Summer yet but you know anyway. Existence list is today. I had a taste taste a little little bit little bit little bit of the summer. It's the cram just teasing trumpets. Thank in chrome pets love anyway anyway. Okay I'm done. Y'All anyway we are done we are. It's a wrap Jack and never let go by the way really quick. You know how it was. The movie was called. Titanic right real quick and then for some reason they all had American accents yet they were going from the from Europe to America. Some of the thing about doesn't make any sense. Why did Jackson American when he's supposed to be some like British or something makes no sense? How did he get over there? If he's American. Just it's just a random idea. I'm moving on anyway. Is the Pascal Show? Thank you guys so much for Tuning. Bigshot TO STEVE. You Into Jack. Never let go anyway. The B shot out the Steve Ewing for coming in. Be SURE TO CHECK OUT Steve Hot dogs and burgers anyway. It's time to get going. And of course if you're watching facebook youtube please cross de-subscribe. Button and tell your friends. Tell Your Mamma Tell Ya Baby daddies in your baby Momma Momma's okay. We really appreciate it. You GotTa skip the Baby Mama. Okay just the baby Mamas Mamas okay. Anyway we're here nine to twelve pm right here on the Pascal show must love to. You guys are guys in the next thing. 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