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"cable news" Discussed on Ringer Dish
"Not having a purpose or a job just like biggs it really hard to to be famous at least actors and actresses like when they up. They go lot of the time when they're doing their put press they're talking about project like plied with aren't talking points that are related to something in their life then ties back to the movie book tv. Show podcast right. Elbow harry and meghan without the monarchy it without like pursuing the agenda of the crown which might be a bad agenda. That's kind of besides the point at the moment like they're just really it's it's a real That pity there that like that sounds like a judgment but it's board just like a statement of fact that like they need to fill this space with something and i think that like they have their causes but It only goes far in moments like this. They're they're much. I actually haven't listened but he did another podcast appearance speaking about time in the military which aminullah to better serve by doing these like single issue podcast appearances than anything else because it gives them an ability to like have talking points to be them. They're famous cells without having to talk about themselves or or be like making a statement about the royal family in some way. So yes you know from one podcast or to another stick stick to the media suits you yes and stick to your issues. I mean 'cause that's the comparison to actors and people who have something to promote is Is really apt. And i think that there has been just kind of like a structural like in consistency to their existence for the past year which is not entirely their fault but if they want to work on behalf of causes go work on behalf of the causes. Your do it pick them. Start doing stuff like you. You can do it. You can zoom you can podcast but but that is how to channel the attention on you two things that you are invested in want to work on behalf of which is the whole point so this like start doing it. I wish he'd stop by doing. Pickup photo. shoots in cemeteries. I've so many ideas for them. There's just so many there's so many content suggestions for them by things. I would enjoy that. I think they could do it. Which i wish i could submit a suggestion box on their website. Do start sending emails never noticed. Start putting the post them on my instagram highlights story highlights whatever. Everybody don't read too much twitter. Watch too much cable news. Protect yourself and thank you so much for listening..
Wallace Family Calls for Firing of Philadelphia Officers, Police Reforms
"Week is demanding the city implement reforms that were recommended years ago by the feds, K y w Community affairs reporter Cherry Greg tells us this comes after the release of police body cam footage of the shooting of Walter Wallace Jr. In the city of Philadelphia released body Cam video related to the shooting death of Walter Wallace Jr. They admitted they were major problems with what happened was a lot of warning on the proverbial sword. Chaka Johnson is the lawyer for the Wallace family and says the city did serious injustice to his clients when it failed to implement recommendations by the Department of Justice. Back in 2015. After probing Philly police use of deadly force the deal, J said all officers should be issued Taser Walter Wallace is not here as a result of the shortcomings and the failure. And following the recommendation, Johnson says they want reforms for the city to take responsibility for the officers who killed Wallace to be fired. Currently, they are on death Duty Commissioner Daniel Outlaw announced new policy changes would be coming. It's like open season car is the mother of Eric Garner, who died when New York police used to choke hold on him in 2014. She believes the time for marching is over. And plans to bring national spotlight test Wallace will be laid to rest on Saturday. Cherry Greg Cable news radio It's 6 16 the corona
"cable news" Discussed on With Friends Like These
"Your contribution to sort of the whole culture? I mean, it's it's not. It seems like a really off the wall question, but it's actually a big question. Maria, thanks so much for coming on the show. I had the most wonderful time. Thank you so much on it. And that is it for the show. This show comes to from crooked media. It is produced by Alison Harare with assistance from Lily. Alexandrov is emerge tries to wrangle me into a coherent schedule Liam McMahon writes anything on my social feeds. That is an informative thread about voting Whitney. Patrick. Does not usually listen to the end of the show I want her to know that she has been vital to my ability to continue to function in these waning days of the election. And I'll repeat something I've said before on these closings because I need to hear it every day if not every hour. We are in the middle of something that no one could have ever prepared for and that no human was meant to go through. And when I tell you that you need to be easy on yourself. I. Bet. There are a lot of you who like me firmly believe that other people should definitely be easy on themselves. But but that you are an exception. Everyone else should get grace except for me because I am not working beyond my limits yet, and that's not working hard enough until I am working on my limits. If that is the way you think and it is the way that I think. That I, want to make you a deal. I, believe that you deserve grace. And I will hold that belief for you. If you'll do the same for me. When I think I don't deserve a break. I'll think of you thinking of me. and. When you think you have to push yourself beyond what's humane? Think of me thinking of you. And Somehow. Survive. Take care of each other. Speaking of which I want to do something a little different. This week something that I think is appropriate if you're listening to this the day before. Or. The day after the election or anytime. Really. WanNa create some space to breathe. And maybe think some kind thoughts about yourself about someone else. Think of something you're grateful for. Or someone you love. I want us to take three deep breaths together. And be in this moment. Exactly this moment For each other. And ourselves. If you're driving do not close your eyes for this part, but if you can close your eyes. Go ahead and close. You. Ready And now. No matter what else is happening in the world. please. Take yourselves..
"cable news" Discussed on With Friends Like These
"How people are told about what's going on in the world. Being on. TV. is its own is its own end and I say this as someone who has worked with people who now? Have Gigs and shows on various networks who within I say this with these are people that I I like and respect some. But who really feel like getting on TV is the is the thing you know. Like that's the brass ring where why does anybody have a personal goal? In this thing? It's a public trust. Your job is to tell people what's going on you know like you're concerned about being on TV. The fuck with what is this? It's ridiculous well as with most things I blamed capitalism. So you know I mean it is we confuse our our personal. Calling. With the. Necessity of making money. And that can lead people down roads that. You know just perpetuate that cycle in away. Right. And you can think you're still doing the Lord's work. But because because the perversion that happens. When fame and money are outsized? influences. I think is pretty invisible to people going through it. One hundred percent is remember that thing that Robin Williams said it cocaine is God's way of telling you. You're making too much money. I mean these are. Sort of funny to to get to this but these are kind of deep questions that are applicable. To. To not just journalism right but I mean obviously there everything that in journalism these questions have an outsized influence on the direction of our democracy absolutely is completely connected. I wrote about this recently at cj are actually two of them. 'cause we're doing this project called the brick houses cooperative journalism project and it was sort of like okay. So what is actually wrong that we're addressing what is the problem? This thing is solving.
"cable news" Discussed on With Friends Like These
"Torture. It's a fantasy about truth and it actually says more about us than it does about. The state of the world, and maybe is a very, very elaborate segue to talking more specifically about things that actually on the TV. Well. You know I thought it was interesting. You're saying trump fo-. because. There are an awful lot of never-trumpers on MSNBC and the idea that it's sort of this left leaning network to me is like ludicrous. You know when there's hours of Joe Scarborough and Nicole Wallace was like literally the contractor for the George W Bush White House so it's like The. Automatic cognitive dissonance for me in. In. Sort of situating the coverage as being one thing a and like you know really. Kind of breaking down what constitutes at trump fo- like if you're a photo of just trump himself. And you think he's Gauche you know which is sort of Nicole Wallace's position mainly she thinks he's picky or gross or whatever more than she actually disagrees with any of his policies you know that how trump fo is that? Really you know how many of these people aren't just Lincoln Project Republicans who are looking at feather their own nest in the future after this one guy has fallen. So I don't want to derail the conversation, but I have so many thoughts and feelings about the the never-trumpers 'cause I know a few of them I think I could call a few of them friends. And it is there's a part of me that wants to defend some of the individuals involved in these things like I don't want to reject who used to have I disagree with you know but but also the term that is really important or this the word in that sentence that's important is used to. You know. And or take responsibility for them rate like even and we can still disagree but just no one was like, Hey, Bill Kristol you know. Yeah I mean just say it was a bad idea. You know just they I. I was wrong. That would be extremely helpful for me like you know I mean very shortly before Nicole Walsh was hired at MSNBC's she was on Joe Scarborough Defending Torture Program saying you know I don't care what we did literally. and. So Lake. I.
"cable news" Discussed on With Friends Like These
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"cable news" Discussed on With Friends Like These
"Very effective if it keeps happening twenty, five thousand times, there's. There's a problem they're. A good example of that another one, another one would be the statement which did become kind of a a a rule of thumb overtime was. The what the President says is news. That was the way the White House beat was built. An obviously with trump's twitter feed included in the flood false statements and misleading statements and even dangerous statements in the case of a public health emergency that he makes obviously that rule what the president says, his news doesn't work anymore but it Kinda. Still exists even though So, things mixed bag at the at the at best. For the past four years there's some things that have kind of improved a little in my point of view. It sounds like your point of view too I do think that. Trump four journalists into calling him a liar like it just became. Just, very difficult to not call him that I believe there's been a little bit progress in calling him racist. Yes. Yeah I. would agree that that term is more likely to use now. We racially tinged as its own little joke of sorts sort of like. Anxious. and. Then also I I think you're right that the habits of. The past few decades are still very strong. Do you think that. What has happened, can tell us anything about what the media might do in response to a change in administration I have concerns that some of the things that have happened during the past four years will lead to. Not much improvement. and perhaps even backsliding. But I'm curious what you think. Sh. Two things. One is the situation is set up for a return of. Kind of both sides coverage in which you have. Democratic, President Biden Administration will be opposed by Republican Congress or Republicans in Congress who hold. Maybe, one branch may be none but still. Represent an oppositional force at the press takes very seriously and you'll have the on the one hand on the other hand So situations set up and they'll just return to a kind of journalism they know very well. and. I think that's extremely likely and that there will be pressure for them to demonstrate. Is already starting. You can already see this gathering They'll be pressured to demonstrate that they could be as tough on Biden as they were on trump as if biden will be putting out. So the same volume of information that trump did. Which of course, would be a complete lunacy? But Deeper than that, much more important than that is my second point I, believe that. The Republican Party is now committed minority. Party. Or counter majoritarian as political scientists would say. And it can only win. By making it harder to vote. and. It can only survive by making it harder to figure out what the party is all about. And so there's a structural conflict with journalism now built into the Republican Party and I think we're going to see that. Happen. In the next four years and I don't think our is ready for that in any way. You save structural conflict and I I if. That's exactly I that to me. I understand what you're saying but in some ways. It occurs to me that the way American journalism is structured. What the Republican Party would like to do. Our media is not structured in a way that it can combat it. This both sides ISM. Is actually a a perfect platform. For the GOP to snow. The public. While what I mean is. That the. The GOP is a minority party has to propagandize the American. Public. and that is going to become its nature. In a even deeper way than it was over the last four years, and that is in conflict with honest journalism but. But the way the American press organized as the both sides mechanism will permit it. and that's My big concern. That's my. That's my worry at this point. I'm just sort of thinking about. How that would ever change and what the marketplace has to do with it well, it would change can change once you start to realize for example, that this is really shitty service is low quality. The Republicans say there is massive voter fraud the Democrats say there isn't in the best you can do is say we have no idea. That's good service. So one way it could change is if it begins to be of both sides journalism to be associated with a poor level of service. low-quality. Mass? cheap. Disposable. That might be one way. It seems to me were in a moment where it is the perfect time for organizations to prove that they are interested in the well being of their consumers, their readers, listeners, whatever more than one side other side because in in this particular moment, we are in to do a one side other side coverage of the corona virus. would be to endanger the lives. Of Your News consumers. Correct. and. There are some indications that trust in the news media that is provided reliable information about the pandemic has been on the rise. There's anecdotal evidence from journalists in the front lines who say people are really grateful for this. but I would add at the same time that there's an entire political movement that exists to deny the scientific reality of..
"cable news" Discussed on With Friends Like These
"To talk about the larger problems with political journalism in the age of trump? J. Welcome back to the show. Thank you very much China. In this era of trump coverage. The. Pr. For large news media organizations has at least. Become a message of we're on your side. We are. We are pro truth. In the implication is you know there are people lying to you and we're going to be on your side and we're gonNA call these suckers into account. Right your CNN has a whole ad campaign to this is a banana ad campaign. This is a mask, is also another one of their. and then the Washington Post slogan democracy dies darkness The New York Times has run a whole series of ad that have to do with like finding the truth the truth lives here I believe is their their slogan and The truth lives here and democracy dies darkness are both slogans that would be appropriate to any time I. Believe it's time media one would hope. But they were chosen. In this time. They were chosen with the unspoken, but I think fairly clearly implied. Idea, that we are fighting the good fight. Sh. Yes I think they tried to capture some of that spirit in these marketing slogans and mottos that they adopted without really changing the underlying ideology. Of, what they do so for example, I've written about this. If you look carefully at those, the truth is hard. ADDS that the new? York. Times runs if you look carefully at the images and the Soundtrack of them you find that it's saying we have to. A battled the truth shakers of every kind on both sides. and they're actually position themselves as the truth tellers toodle left and the right even though in the climate of trump, it comes out seeming one way. And, democracy dies in darkness is a very bold statement by the Washington Post, at a particular time that puts the newspaper on the side of defending democratic institutions. But then when Marty Baron says where Matt War were at work, he's kind of sanding that off a little bit blunting the force of that. And Similarly, CNN has always sets twenty twelve I. think their slogan was The only side, we take your words and so I would see this more as a tension within these organizations. There's a there's A. Desire to associate themselves with battling the lies and falsehoods coming out of the government, and there's also a desire separate themselves from the opposition and the resistance and those two things live uneasily together. Circle back to the question that I feel like I had when I thought of having you on the show, which is so do you think anything changed? In this past four years because you've been critic for a long time and on both sides ISM basically I know is one of your critiques. And you just to the fact that we still have a problem with both sides ism a NPR's sold on that to this day they're running a both sides pieces about the The reality a duly in reality between the left and right. But Yeah I. Think there were some changed on some things that we really difficult for journalists to change they. They certainly became more comfortable describing the president as somebody who tells lies and that definitely happened and they became more efficient. I would say to the flood of false said coming from. The White House. They became a little more skeptical about covering the president's tweets and they became a little bit more aware that they have to kind of defend democratic institutions but only marginally. So and where the problem of covering the trump government meshed well with existing practices in journalism like with big investigations into his taxes. They performed quite well in exposing hidden truth because that lined up with existing practice of bested reporting. But. When the realities of the trump government? Made their existing routines obsolete or counterproductive. It was very difficult for the American press to drop those routines. A good example would be the way they were attracted to trump's. Corona virus. Briefings where he was actively disinforming the American public but the convention of covering what the President Says News, which is too strong for them to abandon that ritual. Men in fact, they never banned the ritual of laughing up everything. The President Says White House even though I think they should have so to me it's a mixed picture and by General Perspective on this is that the routine practices of the political press in the United States rest on assumptions about how candidates presidents will. Behave. And trump violates many of those assumptions which breaks the practices that. Ride, on top of those assumptions and in most cases where that happened. Press continued on with its practices even though the premises underneath the no longer applied. Can you give some examples of what you're talking about? While a really good example is the fact check was originally supposed to shame candidates in presidents into changing their behavior, and indeed than Kessler has said that presidents democratic and Republican would alter the claim when it was fact checked and shown to be false, they would take it on the stump speech they would stop saying that they would revise it. So that it met the definition of a true and trump not only doesn't do that. He doubles and triples down on his statement and he goes further in converting the fact check in the criticism that he gets from the press into a mobilization strategy for his base and the Washington Post is now up to twenty five thousand false statements. So obviously being fat check didn't result in any change in behavior. 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"cable news" Discussed on With Friends Like These
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"cable news" Discussed on With Friends Like These
"My cost of living. For to be in my apartment in New, York but it just wasn't worth it at the end of the day. So I. In, Charlottesville Virginia now and kind of. Trying to figure out, you know next steps And so yeah. I. And and. People some people. Some of the feedback that I got when I resigned I mean I got a lot of feedback from law to protect the people. All across the spectrum. But some feedback. Wise. You know. Thank you for doing what your colleagues won't do when you don't stop defending them because I don't want to rub their noses in it. I honestly at are. To be frank I don't have dependence not married. It was a relatively onions hard decision was relatively easy decision for me people who are married out mortgages and. Families, and other people to think about. What are you going to do? The industry itself across the spectrum is is. Very. Broken and very fractured right now, and it's you know once trump is office you they kind of gotten sadly a little bit of a lifeboat the last several years but once he's not there anymore I think it's GonNa get even worse for the industry and. You know I I I you know whether it's you know if you go, you can do nonprofit journalism. But that struggles and There just isn't you know a Lot else for other for journalists to do broadcast journalists do. So it's a tough decision like You try to trick yourself into thinking well i. am doing good work I. Am you know and they do good work It's just you know. It's not always good. You know the work that they should be doing. Thank you.
"cable news" Discussed on With Friends Like These
"And they get they get the overnight earlier in the day that are rough numbers that relied primarily on large cities throughout the country, and so they get some sense of how this show rated the day before, and then we go about kind of planning the show and Than they get the more specific numbers that are broken down by quarter hours she can you really have a good sense of where people tuned in were where they turned out and That they make decisions at this point, based on the ratings, change the show at that point. because often when the numbers that come in at four include kind of the more rural areas of the country. You know I remember before trump came on the scene MSNBC was struggling. For third place in against headline news often the if we came a number two and the Jim, they would celebrate Came in ahead of of, CNN. Once, trump came on the scene and MSNBC numbers. Grew significantly like everybody's but we there was a time were innocent. BC was rating number one ahead of box when they had their crisis You know with Roger Ailes and and does folks but In terms of wrong numbers I mean it can you know? The numbers go up and down, but they really compare whether they are number one, two or three. That's kind of what they focused on. Rate do you WanNa talk about like what is the size of the high that people are fighting over? Though because to me I, feel like people I guess I'll just be I feel people don't know how small that is that cable news is fighting for like they think it's this huge stakes in it is in a way very powerful. Kind of group. But it's numerically. Not. That large. Yeah. The that's that's who's really really frustrating for me right so tell so tell me what You, know on Again. It goes up and down but I would say to two, hundred, fifty, thousand. In the demo. For the hour is like. kind of normal number and if they go up to like Sir three, hundred or three, hundred, fifty, thousand in the demo they get they get excited NFL, you know five or six, hundred, thousand in the demo they are like. Popping Champagne because in that that's going to be you know that that's a big day I? Don't remember you know when that. will point that would have happened whether it was probably through some part of the Russia investigation they went. They would decide not to do an important news story to salvage maybe ten thousand viewers right like I. Don't it's hard to quantify that but the the numbers that were talking out that's why we get so frustrated since like you're selling your soul for this number of people just so that you can try to like scrap you're way ahead of CNN I is that that really I'm sorry I'm getting. Upset because it really is like the cost that they're willing to pay is forgetting so little it kind of boggles the mind. You Know Bay the. Plus know the the total number audience that sticker it's probably closer to a million but in the demo itself, the numbers are. Are Not Large I don't think and yet he compared to network news it's not. Anywhere close to that. So so let's let's get to the get to the piece that you wrote You've made this up you made this decision got very frustrated. They're bigger stakes and you decided all right fuck it. I'M GONNA. I'm not just GONNA leave. I'm going to announce that I am leaving well to the honest This is something I've been contemplating for a couple of years and I have been trying to find. I've been trying to find kind of a safe landing place And I didn't know what that was going to be but I didn't necessarily I didn't I kind of look for other jobs but I wasn't very aggressive because I didn't honestly want to take another job because I knew I was going to want to. Come out and do say something about the industry and I didn't want to put my next employer in an awkward position because you know I didn't know how I just didn't know that would be unethical or. Create, some sort of conflicts. And I have been talking to people for advice, you know former bosses and people in the industry for a couple of years trying to get like what what? AM I. First of all, my concerns valid and pro you know across the board everybody said my concerns valid but. And then they were like, but we don't know what you're GonNa do and If you come out like someone's, you'll ever work another newsroom again if you talk about this and I clearly based on the industry as it is, I don't want to work in another newsroom like that. but. What do I do and so I you know. I had other plans going into this year and then Kobe started and. I. Feel like I was do yoga teacher training. The first three weeks of May wasn't going to be a career change. It was just something I wanted to do i. Am kind of. The island thinking about doing something else and. Those plans got blown out of water and then it really like. Once we got into the pandemic and I like I saw what they were the decisions they were making in how I feel how consequential at wise at such an important time that they couldn't do the right thing even in the middle of a situation like that that I just I like I had like I couldn't Continue on even though I didn't know what I was going to do. And I still don't. I'm GONNA do like I but I my you know my mother she said she she supported me which was great and said, you know you have a place to live I cut.
"cable news" Discussed on With Friends Like These
"WORD With Lawrence O. Donnell where fend for going on seven years. And working from my tiny apartment New York. City. We were all pretty much everybody was working remotely at that point and. I you know like everybody else had a scheduled but. Like everybody else in the news business that scheduled worse and so I was. Working to help plan the show on a daily basis and looking for ideas and topics and things that. I. Think were important and would be good for Lawrence and I at that point, we were covering obviously pandemic. Heavily and News related to George Floyd and that crisis. and. The election, not so much but we would try Those conversations tended to morph into you know. Political. I. Trump. Segments which is you know it's MSNBC does but that I just felt like on across the board there was. As usual there. was a lack of. Useful information. From the public and for voters. And so You decided to leave. I did I. I it's something I've been contemplating for a while now you know I i. Obviously, everybody knows the. Commercial Business. It relies on ratings and you know my first day I. I knew that that's what it was about. It wasn't until I had been there as long as I had and gained a little bit of seniority that I saw the. that ratings really dry Elvis editorial decisions I mean bear there's barely a suggestion made at in the immediate thing out of their mouth is going to be how that kind of rate or that person didn't rate law last time or it's front of mine in. Almost every editorial decision and you know so many times there are topics that are suggested they like and they want to do but they kind of. Shrugging, get terrible on their face and saying, but that's not gonNA rate so they don't even contemplate it. So you've been thinking about leaving for a while. When you talk about. I think you can put you put us all back. It seems like it was a long time ago but at the same time like it was a very Specific point in our histories right. In, was there something about that? Conflicts of events. That made you think I can't do this anymore. There was at that point in particular with the pandemic there was a lot of. Scientific information coming about about how the virus spreads about. We know about reinfection. What does it is there? Is there immunity we you know there there was a cases on the naval ship that had come out it seems like some sailors had been reinfected. What does that mean that there was no discussion about any of that. There wasn't even it wasn't even considered because they wanted to keep the focus on and I know that there's a hunger for this. But they they constantly kept the attention on what trump did or said, what's you know stupid thing trump did or said or didn't do. And Without being able to say, okay. But there's all other sear information people really need to know you know the like you calling essential and at that point, I just didn't feel like. What the material they were generating was essential because there was so much that was being left on on on unsaid and uncovered and. At the same time there. With the. George Floyd crisis, they were making ended up making decisions based on the same thing you know do we want this family member on tonight are GONNA rate well, they didn't write while last night we liked it but we didn't. They didn't rate. Well, you know seeing that and then you know the election coverage at that point was really nonexistent I would say Some but My. Then my opinion, a all the election coverage. Completely lacks. Any sort of substance. Because they stick to. What what the headline polls are saying on NS, NBC they're GonNa cheerlead any good news for Biden finds ahead they they turn that on and. If there are any warning signals. They don't want to talk about that because that is. Depressing for the audience and so people to now. But. These are the same mistakes that I saw them make. Same Habits that I saw them repeat from twenty sixteen and I'm thinking maybe the people that work there. All think we're doing the right thing. This is great. We are on the side of the angels. They. Do feel that way and and I every now and then would. Raise my hand and say, Hey, there's you know they're. You know if it's something with the election, I'd say you run the risk of complacency you know Or you know why can't you have a discussion about? Policy Over through the debates, you can had interesting discussion about Medicare for all or in healthcare, and that sort of thing just kind of got pushed aside especially if there were some personality conflict on stage Again. Because you know that's sort thing that that tends to rate better It's it's personality driven not you know substance driven and they think that if you get too far in the weeds, you're GONNA lose people we're talking about about ratings and. I. Always find it fascinating to tell people who are huge cable news fans. What the actual viewership is. Do you want to talk a little bit about what is the right like? What is it? They're fighting for? Like what? What are the ratings that they did they seek? What is a good rating? A good rating is rating better than CNN And you know Babe. the numbers come in every day at four o'clock. Thereabouts and they're broken down by.
"cable news" Discussed on With Friends Like These
"In your state with various deadlines are excetera we are past the time for mail in ballots so you'll be looking for Info on where to drop off your ballot or where do early in person voting. And you have already voted get the to a text bank or a phone bank, both of which happened to be wherever you are. You can find out more about volunteering at vote save America Dot Com as well. But please if you happen to get my number know that I've been contacted approximately a thousand times already and I may not text you back but I have voted mark me as done. Now as for this particular episode of the show. I conceived of it as a companion to last week's episode in terms of primarily being kind of media criticism rather than a deep personal journey. And well, it actually wound up being pretty personal. You'll see. In any case this episode is about how Cable News primarily MSNBC, since news and general a bit covers politics and why it's another area where it's not enough to simply be one of the good guys. Are. I. Guess is a Picardy, a former booker producer for the Lawrence O'Donnell show on MSNBC. She left that I work in June and wrote a viral blog post about why? The short version is that she came to believe she was part of the problem. The long version is the first segment of our show. Next is Jay Rosen a professor of journalism at Nyu and proprietor of press think dot or he pulls us back a bit for a structural analysis. And my question for him has to do with the fact that from the outside, it can feel in this era of trump fact checking. That journalism has been changed for the better. He feels perhaps differently. Last we. Maria Bastios, and I have some disclosure both Maria and Arianna are currently columnists at the Columbia Journalism Review where I used to work. Arianna covers CNN Maria does MSNBC and Maria is also currently my editor for a column at Popular Dot Com in addition she is one of the publishers at brickhouse a cooperative journalism venture she does mention in the interview. It's a long show. But, it's worth it. And we'll start right now. Are Anna Welcome to the show. Thanks so much for having me and taking up this topic I appreciate being here, I. It's it's good to have someone give such Ah. Personal. Candidate. Account. Of thing. That's an all of our lives that we don't see the sort of back end of. And speaking of that stuff behind the scenes look why don't you tell me how life was going for you what you were doing in June of this year While I was working at MSNBC FOR LAST.
Joe Biden Says He Would Repeal The Trump Tax Cuts
"Degrade Steve Cortes a man I am pleased to call a friend one of the strongest advocates for conservatism out there Steve Cortes welcome to the show my friend. Dan You're a great. American thanks for having me. Let's together with the audience. Make America great again, a listen man fingers across toes across legs or everything that can be crossed is cross. The alternative is disastrous. Love you on television Cable News and radio I really believe you are one of the strongest advocates for the President is growth agenda out there. It's why I wanted to have you on for our election special here. Let me get right to it. Listen obviously the media sucks I mean we can just get past that. Now we need to you know they're terrible but what are the things that really bothers me about them as they haven't nailed down yet Joe Biden on his cataclysmic middle-class tax bomb coming. He said Steve Repeatedly he's going to repeal the trump tax cuts. Now, anyone can go to the Internet and look up the trump tax cuts. It's not hard and you could see that the middle class got a huge tax cut. So if Biden's go to repeal them, doesn't that mean by default that Joe Biden is going to high taxes on the middle class. Right where you don't have to be a mathematician to follow that logic a lot right eighty, two percent of American people got a tax cut got tax. Because of the momentous 2017 tax cuts, and by the way, let's talk about just how effective those tax cuts have been twenty thousand nineteen. So those tax cuts were in two thousand seventeen didn't really start to take effect until twenty eighteen and really kicked in by twenty thousand nine, which was also the last full year that thank goodness we were free of China virus before we were invaded with this terrible virus and in Twenty nineteen what happened? Well, it was the best year in American history for workers literally now, my opinion, that's what the numbers tell us six point eight percent wage growth an all time record by a mile even. Better than that Dan for the deplorables for blue collar people, nine percent wage growth minorities did better than the average everyone did well, okay. Look we. We don't WanNa put people in the silos and only view that way by identity politics. Everyone did well the wealthy to the most modest earners but the point is this strivers the economic underdogs, the people who had languished so badly lagged behind during the slow growth years that Biden was in the White House those are the people of who leaked to the front because of those tax cuts and I don't want just brag about the past it's happening again right now for example to. Bore your audience with my data but I spent twenty five years on Wall Street. So I spent a lot of time watching the numbers and these numbers lately they are defying Wall Street expectations by the way to define all of the Scottish who thought that we could never get this much ground back this quickly, we know we still have work to do. There are still too many people who are out of work right now because of what the Chinese Communist Party did to the world, but we can also rightly celebrate the amazing economic progress right now in this country and it's particularly due to the open states, i. Call them the Liberty States places like Florida which has opened aggressively, and smartly an economy economy is absolutely humming. So because of this, for example, manufacturing wages just in September, most recent report, hit a new all-time high there up eleven percent so far average hourly earnings for production people not the managers production people in manufacturing that rate, and that's including the pandemic eleven percent so far in the trump presidency and and that rate is fifty percent better than the last four years of Obama Biden and I I say the last four years because I'm trying to be fair here and not Cherry picking penalize them for the Nine recession so. They won't be fair to you I that's very nice. You a noble man I, give them nothing I screw them tired of them but that's very generous. You're a more noble guy than me in that respect but Steve doesn't it infuriated listen my listeners here this every day on my show on my daily show this. The media drives me nuts but this one thing drives me crazy because it's such a simple question that you know I'll be fair from it at Biden could clear up right away. Biden could say, Hey, I'm not gonNA repeal the trump tax cuts because they are tax cuts for the middle class and I'm just GONNA high taxes on the rich with a new bill. You know why he won't say that because they'll have to acknowledge that the media that trump cut taxes for. The middle class that's why he won't answer Becua- that's what I want to pull my hair just ask them the damn question. So you're not going to repeal the taxes just say it right and the media look unfortunately they are all too willing to be complicit in Joe Biden's lies. Let's face it Joe. Biden. Started his entire campaign on a lie on the I think the most malicious lie in American public life, which is the fine people hopes the lie of Charlottesville the. That president trump praised violent bigots in Charlottesville when in fact he said the exact opposite he condemned them totally an explicit terms. So he has been spreading that lie with the media's assistance since the very beginning of his campaign. So unfortunately, if they're willing to spread that live that toxic lie is so divisive and untrue just totally proven untrue. Then of course, they're willing to also help him spa spread lies that probably aren't quite as bad regarding taxes. It's very clear unfortunately that we don't really have. A journalism very much in this country certainly, not in the legacy outlets we do in in platforms like yours but not in the legacy outlets, they're completely corrupted. They're completely on the tank for Joe Biden, and we see it nowhere of more exemplified unfortunately than their intent to completely ignore the biggest story of this entire campaign, which is, of course, the revelations about the Biden cartel selling us out to communist
Trump blasts press as hope for victory dims
"Suppress the vote in the November election President told Arizona supporters that the cable news network is doing wall to wall coverage of the Corona virus pandemic in an effort to keep people from voting. And he used an expletive to describe CNN. Mr. Trump also complained about bias journalists being selected to moderate the presidential debates, describing the press as crooked and corrupt. The president is scheduled to face challenger Joe Biden at the final debate on Thursday, Right clutched in with the president in Prescott, Arizona, has spent 44 decision. The US Supreme
Trump and his physician deny he had "mini-strokes"
"The president's tweets today regarding his health again, he says this was driven by Joe Lockhart Bill Clinton's old press secretary speculating about strokes and the president saying, no, no series of mini strokes apparently in the last thirty minutes or so he's tweeted again. On this subject. So he's really through his tweets amplified whatever lockhart was saying there you've had statements from the White House on this today can you shed any light about what's going on there as the matter of health on one hand, but there's just a matter of what is going on in the White House right now when it comes to this subject. This is purely driven by the president. The president as we discussed earlier had a trip to Kenosha that his team believes was a good trip in a good message for him in he overshadowed as he often does that trip that message by becoming obsessed with something that was not even on Cable News that was basically that was not reported it was not in. Michael Schmitz very good book but the idea of mini strokes was not in the book was a single tweet by a former press secretary under Bill Clinton. The president he got obsessed with it. He had his White House. Put out a statement from his physician. He tweeted about it again he's the one who purely injected in into the media today and it's also Worth noting there's more than a little hypocrisy complaining about speculation of of his health speculation about someone's helping you're not medical doctors of course irresponsible. But that is exactly what president trump did in two thousand, sixteen about Hillary Clinton in it's exactly what he's doing this time about Vice President Joe Biden. So you're seeing here a president who doesn't seem to be able to. Handle, a dose of his own medicine
"cable news" Discussed on Pivot
"Got. Going to be a male. Got Mail. Hey Kara and Barry tune day I love your episode earlier in the week. My question relates to the media world next media group. In wgn, America are launching a prime time cable news. Next week, it starts on Tuesday the promising unbiased news in that time slot what you don't find on the other cable channels. It's all opinion shows the companies invested a lot of money. I'm very curious what your prediction is. Is there a lane for them especially with CNN moving into opinion in recent years in such a divided time in American politics this is this is an excellent question Barry Tunde. Let me give my quick thought. Is I I was I think the problem and I agree CNN is lost its narrative the same way in I think MSNBC just a little bitter. But one of the things I keep thinking about one just have reporters there instead of all these pundits that's what they've really moved into like you'll be if there was a show where you actually had people who've done reporting talking about it, that would be so helpful to people like you know rather than these quick reductive takes it's one of the reasons I. I seldom go on cable I sell I seldom do because it it plays into a desire to say something quick. And dirty essentially how did you look I think there is room for this but maybe I'm wrong at this point. Maybe, we're all wrong, it's always possible. I. Just want to give this caller. Kudos for perfectly pronouncing Barra. Tunde well done I'm a big fan of you. Thank you so much for that. I agree that we Could use more of his actual journalism and less opinions about the journalism that the host has read do. If, we're going to try to create a new lane I sadly don't think that this is going to be very successful. It's a mild prediction, but I, think we are so pushed into corners and there's so much money. Encouraging us to have this quick reaction that this probably won't cater to a huge and growing market what I would love to see, and this is coming out of Chicago, which is interesting. Is more local news. And what we need I think is a democracy is to fund local news. So if someone we're going to be throwing money into the news business right now, I'd say support local newsrooms, local news gathering and create a network of those that can feed up into something like this and maybe into a CNN and. Fox News MSNBC but we're missing that ground layer and so that gives all the punditry. Interesting because the idea of unbiased news and executive behind said, we're so sick and tired of polarization of news new should not be polarizing but you know you every bit of news like here's the city. There are peaceful protests and there is some looting. Now it's either mobs or there's no you know it's not that bad when like it just it goes like it's e you can't even just say this is what happened here in this small area this happened you know look with a sharpie and everything else you can't the idea of getting on by if it was ever une by the way let me just be clear. It was the ideas of A. Bunch of recite of New, York for a long long time lets you know what I mean like and I'm not sure why they had it. Right the -sarily I don't know if there's there could but I always think that if they just put on, CNN, just the reporters it would be it's always better when you've just the reporters on, it always is when I'm watching any the stuff I tend to agree with that and I think there's a formula that's proven financially successful and small D. democratically destructive, which is just the Quick Reaction Force of opinion that that news has become on cable I met someone who took a job with a major cable news operation. Within the past two years and came from a local news background and so what are you going to do on camera? What's your show about his like I'm just GonNa depends on what the president tweets that was that was this person's legitimate response. I'm just going to react to the president's tweets. It's cheap to do that financial and it cheapens all of us to build a whole information ecosystem around. That lack of depth. So I wish them. Well, if what they're trying to do is provide a bit more depth. I think just saying unbiased that's also loaded terms and we'll just have to see what the product is. They put your a comedian and obviously some of the smarter stuff of this sort of punditry does come from comedians which who actually ground a lot of their comedy in Fact Right Elsa. Nausea. What, how do you look at that? Because that's where something that you might kids. For example, they watch all those those comedians. You know what I mean edits really interesting and I find them rather better informed than most people certainly in my mother I think the key difference with if we just take two shows as an example, there's so many people who've done this. John. My good friend, John John Oliver Hudson, the knowledge they respect audience they. They assume that you're capable of handling big ideas of listening for more than thirty seconds at a time of processing complexity and what I have found in my own journey in this business is there are a lot of executives who do not have that same faith in their audiences as some of these comedians do, and so they're able to pack more investigative journalism into a comedic monologue 'cause they try as opposed to pre writing off a listener or viewer or readers they'll never. They'll never click on that I know my readers and maybe you don't maybe you're underestimating them. And also being funny helps a lot. But I before the funny is a faith in people to be able to handle it when you're doing let me ask you about your how to citizen. You're not going to try to be like satisfied the Liberals or satisfy. Anger the Conservatives how do you approach it? I'm not going out of my way to anger anyone or satisfied. I'm approaching this from. The perspective of my own fatigue with news rage. with my own. Absence of outlet to do something I feel like there's so many of us who want to be involved and contribute to some kind.
The DNC and RNC are going virtual. What can we expect?
"So actually the coronavirus pandemic everything has gone virtual. We covered all digital conferences like Tho- launches, apples, WDC. In DNC are completely different animals Taco bell expecting to see well I. Think it's GonNa be a very, highly produced. Event just like it normally is but it's GonNa be really different because you know when they. When they usually do this, you've got like thousands of people in a huge arena you know you have people talking. And they're they're mostly talking to the to the people, the viewers and the audience. Sitting at home on their couches. Anyway. But you have that vibe you have that you know the people cheering it's it's like being in a live sporting event in a sense you know so like that's going to be lost a bit. Yeah. We've we've had instances with like the the NBA right they put up digital boards with with people that are virtually in I've watched the most games. It's definitely not. It doesn't really replicate the feeling of being at a game where the ambiance there I imagine a lot of the energy that would have been in those conferences have people been there. Is really kind of sucked away, right? Yeah and you know and that's really political conventions are basically like cheerleading events right? You know it's like the party faithful as there you've got these delegates from all around the country they're like really Gung Ho for their party and their candidate and they wanna like. You know just cheer their heads off and it's you know. So you know I think that energy is going to be a bit different but I'm also curious to see like what creative things they come up with right like like you mentioned the NBA thing like like are they going to do something like that? You know I mean? It'll be interesting to see how they approach it. Yeah. Have you got any kind of indication on on what they might do to create that excitement that is would be missing from having all those folks there. Yeah. So the the DNC they they have been, they've definitely said that they are going to try to involve people like regular everyday people. So I'm wondering if it is going to be something NBA like right where they have screens. Right there. But we'll definitely be having some like. Some people getting beamed in from all across the US whether it's you know. Politicians or or just SORTA your regular everyday folks who are like either live on video and a lot of like these pre produced videos people have been they've had this campaign where people are able to. Send in their videos like with prompts like I know Joe and talk about like why they're excited about Joe Biden and that kind of thing. So they're going to have that SORTA interspersed throughout the program. So it'll be interesting to see like how it all Kinda comes together. To DNC specifically, what what is that? GonNa look like will anyone actually be in Milwaukee? So there will probably be like a skeleton kind of crew in Milwaukee like I've heard that that Tom Perez, who's the chairman of the DNC was still planning to go to Milwaukee to gavel in the convention officially. But the big speakers you know like Joe Biden, who's the presumptive nominee he is not going to be there he's going to be somewhere in Delaware. Now, they've said he's not probably going to do it from his basement. So some place else in Delaware. In the Wilmington area where he lives. So that'll be interesting. I wonder how they they might dress up whatever venue he's in. You know like he was speaking with. Kamala Harris. You know the other day they've had actually a couple of speaking engagements and they've got the flags everywhere but like the backdrop didn't really look all that interesting to me. So it'll it'll I wonder how they're going to you know jazz it up so that it looks cool. How's the Brokaw can work? Yeah. So the roll call and by the way like I got to go to the convention in two, Thousand Sixteen, the roll call is pretty cool. Just in general when you're there in the room, there's like this vibe all the people stand up and they say, you know I'm from South Carolina and they were the whatever state and we pledge our ex delegates to. And so it's like an exciting moment. So it's going to be totally different this time 'cause they're all not going to be in the room but I you know they've said they're. GonNa. Kind of pop around all all the states and so you're probably going to have people from those states. Doing their call and I'm sure they're gonNA do something jazzy about like. You know I'm from Delaware. So it's like Delaware the first state in the nation. Allah. Probably say something like that I don't know. So it'll. We'll see. We'll see what about the NC I know there was a lot of back and forth about where was gonna be in whether it was go digital What is that GonNa was so that you know I think that's still to be determined right? Like they're still they haven't put out a whole lot of information about like what it's GonNa look like exactly. So I mean I want I wonder if some of this might change in the next week but. So far they are. Going to have a very reduced crowd in Charlotte. President trump will not be there to accept the nomination. In they're gonNa have like something like you know three hundred or so delegates there. So you know I don't know I don't know if they're going to try to do some things kind of like in in the arena although I think that would look pretty. bleak. If it's people, you know space really far apart. So I think that's still Kinda to be determined with what they're going to be doing it wear for folks who are watching these where can you check out the streams? So the DNC they've announced a whole bunch of places like you're gonna be able to stream, it live on youtube and facebook and twitter and And then the convention is officially you know airing from nine to eleven every night and all the broadcast channels will have it for the last hour. And and then they're gonNA have it on like TV and Roku and so they were going to be a lot of opportunities for people to stream it or. Even, to SORTA catch it on the networks got looking at some of the other challenges I mean we talked a little bit about the lack of energy. But what are the potential pitfalls who going virtual? Yeah. Well I mean we've all been watching. You know some of these cable news shows lately right like in sometimes you get like the guests who are like pixellated or their screen freezes. You know so I think that's going to be a challenge. You know you don't want somebody to be mid-sentence and all of a sudden they're face completely frees up. So that'll be a challenge. Yasser. Don't want it to look like a really boring call. With. With everybody with the bookcase in the background. So I think they'll have to figure out ways to to make it look interesting and you know. And not have any sort of technical glitches.
The Knowledge Lost in Information
"Every single day approximately five, hundred, million tweets are tweeted. Four million hours of video is added to youtube and four point three billion with a B. facebook messages are posted if a single person which are view only information uploaded to the Internet in just the last twenty, four hours, it would take longer than the entire span of recorded human history. The mistake is assuming that a deluge of information means that we are better informed not at all. In fact, a new report by Pew Research found that what they call quote extremely online people meaning those who relied primarily on social media for their political news are among the least informed and most easily deceived groups in America reason DOT COM described the Findings this way analyzing polls conducted from October of last year through June of two thousand, twenty pew found that just eight percent of US adults who get most of their political news from social media. Say They are following news about the two thousand election very closely compared with roughly four times as many among those who turn mostly to Cable News at Thirty, seven percent or print news at thirty three percent. The Pew study also confirmed these people self understanding when evaluated on their current political knowledge those who turned to social media for news scored lower than any other single group except for those who relied only on local TV those relying on a variety of sources including news websites, cable imprint news. scored the highest and interestingly exclusive facebook and twitter users did score higher in their knowledge of conspiracy theories such as that five G. calls coronavirus or Bill Gates plans to inject people with tracking microchips. In other words what someone finds illuminating versus luminosity largely depends on the amount of time they spend on social media. All of this underscores the fundamental myth of the information age that access to information is the same thing as knowing and that knowing about something is the same thing as wisdom and one of the choruses from the play the rock t s Eliot asked, where is the life we've lost in living? Where's the wisdom? We've lost the knowledge? Where's the knowledge? We've lost an information now he? wrote that in nineteen thirty four, what would he say about the Information Day today? How is it possible? Then in an age when the answer to almost any question we have is just a few taps or key strokes away that the least informed among us are those who do the most happening and the most typing as Elliot suggest we've confused information knowledge. We've confused knowledge with wisdom unfortunately, just shouting the truth more loudly or posting in an all caps on social media is not an effective response and fact Christians who see their job primarily is telling the truth rather than engaging people with the truth are often just lost voices among all the noise I'm painfully aware that even with my own children. One Stop on the information bus of their day, and there's a lot of stops. For example, it's far too common for parents to find the faith or moral convictions of their students completely derailed by some anti Christian claims or pseudo arguments that are just well silly. I mean, by claims that any apologised or any theologian for that matter, any coherent thinker could easily debunk in mere minutes. The answers are there, but these students are convinced by a particular set of. Voices, and they're not hearing the others even more often however students or just preoccupied with digital diversions that replace a hunger for finding truth without us. Huxley called an Appetite for distraction. These students like all the ones that were identified by Pew is being very online need more information like a drowning man needs more water. The only real antidote as Conklin I describe in the book, a practical guide to culture is discernment. It's an ability to sort through the excessive information. To identify which true and good, and then to make choices according to wisdom of course, developing discernment is a lifelong process, but it can begin with just a few very simple but careful questions like what do you mean by that? Is this true how does the Bible speak to this? Well God be honoured will the image of God be respected? Is this a trustworthy source? Is this intended for my good and is this helping us love and care about the right? Things we identify a whole series of useful questions for parents and offer other strategies for developing discernment in the book a Practical Guide to culture and the brand new students guide to culture and to be clear though I you for this revealing survey discernment is about much more than just being better informed voters. It's really ultimately about keeping our heads above water and age that's drowning us with information so that we can be people of truth of wisdom and of love.
Trump Administration Imposes Deadline For TikTok To Be Sold
"Chinese company that owns tiktok is under a little bit of pressure from President Trump and is considering selling you the president says, he thinks tiktok is a threat to US security even given the company kind of deadline by set a date of around September fifteenth at which point is going to be out of business in the United States. Now, over the weekend president trump talked to the CEO of Microsoft, which is a potential buyer here NPR's tech reporter Bobby. Allen is with us this morning. Hi, Bobby Hey Rachel. So take a step. Back, Bobby, why does president trump have an interest in tick talks US operations in the first place? Well, trump never mentions TIKTOK without saying China to talks parent company. Bite dance is based in Beijing and trump says that means tiktok could be harvesting the private data of millions of Americans and sharing with the Chinese Communist Party now whether that's really happening is up for debate but trump, it's black or white right? It's took talks either stays chinese-owned and will be banned or the APP is bought by an American company like Microsoft and can stick around. Right. So No L. Mention this Microsoft CEO talk with President Trump over the weekend about the possibility of requiring Tiktok but that's rather remarkable. Right? Like why did the CEO of a private company feel the need to run this by the president right and that's because the trump administration including trade adviser Peter Navarro has been peering on Cable News and saying the White House does not trust Microsoft. And while it looks like right now that Microsoft has won back the confidence of the White House. The company just really wants to make sure absolutely has the blessing of the administration before trying to take Tiktok over and a big part of Microsoft's pledge is to ensure that no TIKTOK data ever leaves Americans shores. Yes to your question. The president getting intimately involved in a private company merger talks is not typical but talk right in APP known for dance challenges and Prank Videos. No last finding itself as the latest political football in Washington is dealing with just that. Can we close by talking about the business end of this like what's in it for Microsoft to buy Tiktok? What do they get out of this potential? So we hear the word Microsoft when we think of the company many people still think of windows, right? It's not exactly the hippest image in the world, but Microsoft does own xbox. It's one actually one of its most successful businesses and there's a lot of crossover potential between gamers and tiktok users not to mention bringing on tiktok would allow Microsoft to go toe to toe with facebook. Which sees talks huge popularity and is pretty envious.
Big tech CEOs testify before Congress
"So, this hearing just going to say it, it was six hours of chaos. So. So many things like individual moments of pure chaos happened this hearing. But because every member of Congress was only given five minutes to ask the questions in and they moved on, no one could process the moments of cash. So here are some things that happened during this hearing. Jeff. bezos just started eating nuts on his call. That was just a thing that you started snacking for the first ninety minutes. It appears that basis had tech issues was operating in some kind of delay. So we didn't hear from him. They just answer any questions and they'd take a ten minute break Jeff. bezos could fix his computer. Amazing. Jim Jordan, who McKenna pointed out. On the show last week is always sort of chaos element. Try to talk over several members of Congress got yelled to put his mass back on floated. Just elaborate conspiracy theories. was when I say was chaos I. Don't know if there's any other way to describe it. I. Think that led a lot of people to think the hearing itself didn't accomplish its goals, but I think in many ways it did. But Kennedy you WanNa Kinda go through what the committee was trying to accomplish the themes they were pointed at in. How hearing played out, right. So okay. First off. Harkening back to last week I mentioned Jim. Jordan's mountain dew obsession. Definitely drink a handful those throughout the hearing I took notes in screen shots. So, I, called it. But regardless of their pores soda choices, there were a lot of lawmakers who definitely did their homework and I think that was really apparent throughout the entire hearing and when I look at. The picture that they tried to paint I think that became really clear in chairman Sicily's opening statements. So this is the guy who liked. And spearheaded the entire investigation from the beginning, and in those opening statements, he pointed out that yeah Apple Amazon Google facebook. There are different in a lot of ways and they exhibit anticompetitive behaviors potentially allegedly and a lot of different ways. But what they tried to pull together and was a story, and it's really hard to tell a story and five minute fragments. But what happened yesterday was Sicily. Ni, and a lot of the Democrats on the Committee wanted to point out that these companies they become bottlenecks for distribution whether that's information or just like APP stores marketplace's they control what gets distributed in how what was really key to the investigation was how? How they survey competitors. If you have so much control dominance over a market or a specific part of the tech industry, you have a lot of insight into your competitors and you can do a lot of dangerous things with that, and then lastly, after that dominance has gained, it's how they abuse it. Right? How they abuse it to make harder for small businesses in competitors and I think that's exactly what Cellini pointed out in the beginning and I think they did a poor job that storytelling throughout the process. But I think that's also our job. Right is to pull that evidence together and tell that story for them in a way that isn't like. Yes, no yelling at CEOS and like stopping them and I think by getting that in the evidentiary record doing all this questioning, I think they really did achieve their goal in the end. Yeah. I mean, I think the thing that happened sort of next to the hearing was that they released a bunch of documents from these one point, three, million documents of clutch. Over the past year, they released pretty targeted selection documents for every company showing some of this stuff, Casey, I wrote a story about. facebook. INSTAGRAM. My I'm going to frame this email or mark Zuckerberg. Literally one sentence, no period. The Andrew says I need to figure out. I'M GONNA buy instagram like I would love to just be in a place were sending that email like super casually like I got this thing to figure out and it's not like am I gonNa buy the model of the car. It's like instagram. I've been thinking of the text messages where so and so says that Mark Zuckerberg's didn't go destroy mode on instagram ever since they got that up. Case she this to Kevin and right that text was. Yes. Well, it was Kevin. System was talking to an investor and Kevin said to the investor. If we don't sell well, mark, go into destroy mode on us and the investor side probably. Of course, stray casual. So there's just a lot of documents and I think one of the functions of hearing was to get those documents into the official congressional record to make the CEO's account for them. That did not seem very successful to me. Is like a takeaway people should have from this hearing, right? No. I think a lot of people that go into these hearings are expecting like these big Gotcha moments and expecting like a lot of news and all this stuff. But it really, it wasn't oversight hearing. You know it wasn't. They didn't come. They came at this like in a report last earlier this week that they came out at as investigators. They didn't come at it to make a big show horse and pony show out of it, and yet I think the CEO's didn't. The record well enough to the extent that they could have. But there was definitely, I was expecting them to do a lot less evasion and I expected a lot less room probation with the documents, but it's just the process of a Congressional hearing. It's. It's hard to do that in a congressional hearing. But if you put those documents out there, you get the CEO's on the record a little bit who does excite this excites the FTC. J, and that's who can take this next and then it's also congress. You know they can't break up a tech company, but they can regulate going forward and it's those three key themes that I pointed out earlier that they could regulate. You know what I mean. They could legislate to forbid companies from surveying competitors and things like that, and that's where this goes. So the format of the hearing, every member and five minute chunks, it seemed very clear that the Democrats had some sort of coordinated evidentiary strategy, they would start and. And they would say, I, want to read this email to you. What did you mean by this email and then Jeff bezos would say something like I have. No idea is on works. I. Was real pattern that developed was basis really not doing or claiming he definitely knows claiming not really no way Wayne is under the thing they did or they would ask sooner Pichai about the very granular add deal google made by an ad product, and soon I, would say I'll get back to you, which is basically all responses. So the Democrats seemed like they were coordinated to move through their documents. The Republicans seem to be doing something else that also seem coordinated intentional, but what was their focus because that seemed clear split my takeaway from Jim Jordan who? We got into earlier, he he was interviewing. As if they were all Jack Dorsey. And as we talked about like, yeah, he invited Jack Dorsey to testify, but he doesn't sit on the antidote subcommittees. Anything. He says, it just doesn't matter. So it sounded to me as if he prepared questions Jack Dorsey and then it was like, oh, he's not coming I'll ask Tim Cook the same questions. Another completely crazy moment that happened just seen by and five minute chunks is that. Represented Sensenbrenner from Wisconsin Dear Sweet Wisconsin. Definitely. Asked Mark Zuckerberg why the Donald Junior was banned from twitter and mark. Zuckerberg was happening on twitter facebook and there was just like a moment of confused silence, and then he tried to move on and that just sort of floated by in the river of chaos to tell you how much chaos there was kneeling. When you started to tell that story, I thought you were going to tell the story about when Jim Jordan asked him cook if the famous one, thousand, nine, hundred, four, Apple Super Bowl, AD was actually about twenty twenty cancel culture, which is another thing that really happened. I think that's out of context. He didn't ask him. He said clearly, this is. That's definitely what Steve Jobs was thinking IBM is canceled culture and Apple's going to break it with hammer and Jeff. Bezos said that social media is a nuance destruction machine and all this crazy stuff from that. It was a wild will that that particular question when Jim Jordan asked, do you support the cancel culture mov, you could see the CEOS like. 'cause they went in order. He asks them all in order. So First Tim Cook just like basically muttered nothing. Here's like I don't. I support speech whatever. The iphone a keyboard like that was his answer. Sooner per child also, just like muttered, right? He's like Google has always supported free expression Zuckerberg like saw the opportunity and took it and the forces of liberalism I rising I, and then basis was like I cannot. I cannot do in like went for it, and that was just totally insane moment. But it also seems like the Republicans were intentional to try to create their own moments where they were yelling at CEOS about bias on platforms is obviously something cover a. At. You were paying a lot of attention that case you're paying a lot of attention to it. Do you think that was effective in creating because you know there's like a parallel conservative Universe Jim? Jordan was on Tucker. Carlson. Last night like was that effective or d think that the CEO's were able to sort of tamp down on interesting the Tucker Carlson pointed out that Google and other companies are all big donors to Jim Jordan another folks. So that is a weird side, but I think it was actually besides the moment where they mixed up twitter with facebook I. Think this was much more effective off. Off Topic yelling about technology than we usually see like are genuinely issues that like they are upset about that, they could point to largely around like cove nineteen misinformation and they could at least like pick those topics and stick to them rather than kind of asking vague questions about like, why is my phone listening to me? Well, they're definitely asked questions about why are my campaign emails getting filtered by G mail? Yes. I should. I should mention that they have really and they have all of these cases where they ask about extremely specific one off incidents that anyone who has used social media knows happens constantly. And, then turn them into a sinister pattern. But I think they managed to come off as sounding more like they understood what they were talking about the unusual. I think that was a real theme of the hearing, Casey. What did you think of this sort of bias side show that occurred? Well, I mean the the idea that conservative voices are being suppressed is foundational to the conservative movement and is behind the rise of conservative talk radio. It was behind the rise of Fox News. Now that social media exists, we have seen it in this new form, but it is sort of being presented as extra, sinister and worthy of. Some sort of legislative intervention what frustrates me about it is that much more than newspapers or or cable news like Mark Zuckerberg Dorsey. These people benefit hugely from having all possible voices on their platform. None of them is incentivized to drive conservatives off their platform. What they are incentivized to do is have rules that make the place safe and welcoming. So that people want to hang out there and so to the extent that there are issues on the platform, they've largely come because these platforms have rules. And you know you would think that a bunch of free marketeers would realize that the alternative to the system that they're so mad about would be creating a new system, but they don't seem at all interested in doing that. So I just sort of dismissed all of them as charlatans I actually thought it was interesting that the opposite track came up, which was the Stop Hey for profit campaign I kind of wasn't expecting that. The representative Raskin I believe asked facebook. Basically, why aren't you kicking more hate speech off. I forget who else asked like look is the point that you're so big. You don't care about advertiser boycotts I. Mean, you know it will here. Here is a fact that the number one complaint that facebook gets from its users, the thing that users. About. FACEBOOK is that it removes too much content and so if you're running the place, you do have to take these complaints seriously in a way. Right? It might not be you know that you shadow band conservative whatever that even means on social network in twenty twenty. But the fact that you're removing content is really upsetting people. So you can't dismiss that idea entirely, but I still don't feel like we're having that intellectually honest conversation about it. So this was definitely I feel like you can connect the you control distribution. We're GONNA show the abuses of power narrative. We got other. Democrats. With the you control distribution. You're banning conservatives right like I. Think what's Sensenbrenner Again, cups and conservatives are consumers to is that people don't realize that like fifty percent of the population in many ways. But facebook has like famous conservatives working its highest levels Kevin. We last week, we're talking about Kevin Roose keeps sharing the list. List of the most engaged content from crowd tangle. It's all conservative content, and that's so problematic for facebook that they're. They're pushing back with other metrics and graphs of their own, making the facts just aren't there, but it doesn't seem to be convincing. Brett Kevin is being asked to recuse himself from facebook case because he's like best friends with facebook I, AP I wrote a column almost two years ago. Now, arguing that conservatives were trying to redefine. Any conservative identified person having any unwanted outcome on a social network, right? So bias is your name was higher than mine in search results. Bias is used suggested that I follow a Democrat and not a Republican right, and if you take action on your policies that apply to everyone against me a conservative that is biased against conservatives, right. So and by the way I have to say this has been hugely successful because we've talked about it. How many minutes now and the longer that these discussions. Discussions. Go on. They just sort of refi people's minds. The idea that there really is a vast conspiracy to silence conservative speech because he's networks are so big millions of conservatives are having experiences like this every day, and now there is an ideology that is basically a religion for them to attach to, which is although Silicon Valley liberals are out to get. Reason I wanted to talk about the conservative side show, which in many ways was a circus is it feels like the notion that we should be punitive to the companies or mad at the company's. Bipartisan, right we were. We were not looking at a hearing where the Democrats were on the attack. Republicans are saying we love. Apple. We're looking at hearing where they were. Everyone was mad. There are a couple of exceptions to that. There were a couple of I think sensenbrenner and a few other folks were like look we want to be clear. Big is not bad. We just WANNA make sure we're not punishing you for your success, but you were like almost entirely, right? Yeah. I. Mean I. think that's it's important to. To capture that mood like Jeff Bezos Mark Zuckerberg, Tim, Cook soon. Darpa, try they usually get to finish whatever sentence they start saying. Right. They're not used to being interrupted. Their thoughts are usually like you know they get to live in complete sentences and people take them seriously here in five in intervals, they were interrupted almost every time they started speaking to be told that they were wrong that they were filibuster at one point Sicily said stop thinking is for the questions. We can just assume they're all good questions. They. Were getting yelled at and they're going yell that about a variety of things that were pretty specific. So you kind of in your kind of structure here. The first one was controlling distribution. What did you hear as a hearing went on the indicated to that? The committee had a case here? I think the apple's APP store is one thing you know charging thirty percent cuts on certain things is just controlling an APP store. It's the same thing with Amazon's marketplace. They can inherently in control what gets placed and what gets sold and you know if they want to play with search results on Amazon, they can do that, and then on facebook and Google, it's not just like products and software that's information. And it could be information when it's like Google. Google. Stealing yelps, texture views right in putting those in its little info boxes in search queries in facebook if facebook is just like an. Mation, distribution platform and. It can decide Algorithm Mickley. Knowingly. What people get to see this bution was very keen to the committee's hearing yesterday and they pointed out different aspects in which you know each company exhibited that kind of behavior. So the one that will you bring up apple? We wrote about this, say there's much emails. Apples document production is just one hundred and thirty pages of unrelated emails and whatever order see it's like scan through it. So there's a lot of little stories in there. There's one about right to repair and apple realizing it needed to repair. By watching PR people operate by reading their emails journalists. Very entertaining. They're like we had a break like here's our strategy. Here's we're GONNA. That's all in there. You can look at it, but there's a lot about the APP store itself and how they're going to use the mechanics of the APP store to control their platform, and it started at the beginning like the first emails in this production from twenty, ten there. From Phil, Schiller Steve Jobs saying, are we GONNA? Let Amazon Sell Books in the kindle store. Store, it felt like I saw an Amazon ad was hard to watch this hard to watch this ad where a person's reading a book on an iphone in the kindle APP in the pick up an android phone keep reading. He's like literally like it was hard to watch like Schiller's at home like pain what a customer is having an experience that good it really just. Heart and so he's like it was hard to watch. You fours Steve Jobs. They're like we gotta shut it down jobs is the bookstore will be the only bookstore on the APP. Store. That's the way it's going to be everyone's gotta used to it. We know that restricting payments will hurt other things, but that's what we're doing and they started there in two thousand ten and they pulled it out, and then that ladders up into everything that we've seen with, hey, ladders up into the analysis group showing up to. Apple, can pay them to say that there's independent study has revealed. Everybody has a thirty percent cut. It has landed up into Tim Cook, forwarding. He gets a letters from developers that are in this direction. It's like apples breaking my heart and he just like Ford's it. Tim, Cook forwards that email to filter credit eighty, just as thoughts like amazing like they are constantly thinking about the APP store as a mechanism of control for the platform in the leverage and other deals. So the other one was apple is this Amazon one which I have very mixed feelings on saying that this is bad or legal I'm curious for all of your thoughts famously. Did, not have the prime video APP on the Apple TV and all these other places apple, Amazon came to a deal. There's an entire presentation in this production like the slide deck of how the deal is going to work. Apple got to be the preferred seller of its own product. So third parties cancel. Apple. Products, Amazon pages, they got. They have a custom by flow. They've custom product pages, all the stuff in return. Amazon got a lower commission on the APP store and gets to Selatan products which no. No like you can rent a movie from the Amazon APP on the Apple TV, no one else gets to it in one world. This is just pure platform collision, right? Apple cut VIP deal for big companies because it wanted something and you could say this is legal in another world. It's like this is how deals work apple something valuable. Amazon s something valuable and they came to a conclusion wherever made more money and quite frankly the consumer experience platform has got better. How do you read that? Casey? That is good and fair analysis of it. I. Think I did read slightly more scandalous. Tones into it in part because apple would never acknowledge that some developers are more important to it than others even though if you assume that that's true, I think maybe one of the things that's frustrating about it is there is no transparency accountability around which developers get sweetheart deals is that once you hit a certain threshold of revenue will cut your price. Why couldn't they extend that deal to everyone right? Or is it just if we withhold something that seems particularly valuable, we can eventually drag you to the table. Table, which is sort of what seems like happened here. I think in all cases, what I'm always looking for is the accountability, right like and some sense of of equitable treatment of developers and I understand the guys are always going to get the best treatment, but it can that be publicly visible. Can it be acknowledged and there'd be routes for others to achieve that same level of success and treatment, and that I'll just seems missing here. Did you buy Tim Co? He said it twice. It was obviously A. Glimmer, of sympathy for all four CEOS. There is a lot of reporting that they had spent months preparing for this hearing like being grilled there, they'd hire outside law firms. They. Practiced they all clearly had soundbites memorized in none of them. Got To say him because it kept getting interrupted. Tim Cook had this one where he is like if we're the gatekeepers, the gates are open wider than ever. We've gone from five hundred. APPS to one point seven, he said like. A whole speech. and. The thing is there's fierce competition for developers. They don't like our store can do for android the windows. For xbox and PS. Four. Which I was like the idea that adobe is going to be like we don't want to be on the IPAD. Here's PS. Four Photoshop is insanity to me. I'm going to build a spreadsheet. APP. For the five. That's how frustrated with Tim Cook. To that ring. True to you I. Mean, there's no, it does not ring true. There is a, there is a duopoly. In the United States when it comes to smartphones, iphones have majority share in the United States and you can't say, well, you know there's there's a rogue fork of android in Malaysia that you could go develop for if you really wanted to and have that come across as a credible argument to Americans. Right it is. Natural for any monopolist to spend most of its time, arguing that it is much smaller and much less consequential as as you think it is and they're essentially always asking you to ignore what is in front of your face, which is that they are the giant. They are in control. What they say goes, and it doesn't matter which small businesses get hurt along the. The. Way I would point out that the contact and we're gonNA talk about earnings eventually. But the context for that is apple had its biggest third quarter ever this month, their revenues went up eleven percent year over year, they're making obviously making billions of dollars in their services revenue, which is a lot of the narrative around the APP stores increasing that services line. Also went up. I think it was thirteen billion. So you're right. They're very big in their earnings the day after the hearing did nothing. To reduce that impression. I want to switch to Amazon a little bit McKenna. You really focused Amazon was basis first time up there. They came at him a lot about marketplace. How did you think that went I think it went pretty good. I. Think. John Paul specifically was just like killer her questions with breakout star. Yeah. She was just like killer and she's the representative for. SEATTLE. So this is where Amazon is right. So she just like killed it and. And I think there were a couple of instances in the documents and in questioning yesterday that really pulled important things out there was like testimony from one bookseller who was like, yeah. We just can't sell a category of books and we don't know why Amazon doesn't let us do that just like testimony like that or even when it comes to like acquisitions, the ring acquisition especially, I wrote about that today through the documents and how. They said, this is for market position. This is a for technology, your talent or anything. We just bought this and that's something that base said again, yesterday he was just very clear. It's like, yeah, we do buy things market position, which is like so insane just here like the richest person in the world. But like, yeah, we're buying market position. It's just what happens. That's another one I have mixed feelings right, and by the way, people should read McKenna story because those documents have just a very funny breakdown like the pros and cons of buying. Buying ring in many of the cons like what if this turns into nest, which if you're just the verge cast listeners like it's just like the Keyword Bingo, but it's fine to say, we're buying market position like this isn't the best product out there, but it's the category of video. doorbells is not huge, right? So to by the the market leader in video doorbells is maybe the most rational use of the money. What is the problem that you think the committee was trying to show an address sense of we're just going to market position. Pointing out, they can just do whatever they want and how casual it is, and there really isn't. It's really funny to read an email like that, and we could buy it or we could just copy it or are. We could just watch. You know that was one of the emails that base from someone. Those are just three options you know and it's like just pick and choose you know. Pointed out like a lot. Just that email itself really pointed out just how easy it is for them. They used a lot of that time history to talk about copycat behaviors and to talk about just like you know buying up competitors and it just seeing that all in one little e mail having to do with the ring was like really i. think it was really kind of I opening and especially like useful for the committee. So Amazon got hit a lot for the data collection side of it of copying competitors. bezos did not seem to have great answers there. Right. So that's the. The thing they got in trouble with this. There is that Wall Street. Journal article from like April where employees were literally like, yeah. We dip into data and we use that to guide our own private label products and everybody was like Whoa and Amazon basins. Yesterday said, well, we do have a policy that bans that but giant pointed out yesterday. It's like, okay. So what's your enforcement look like you can have the policy, but like if you don't enforce it, then it's like meaningless. And then yesterday I. Think Paul was like, can you give me a yes or no answer? Do you dip into data and he's like I can't I can't give you. Yes or no, and we're just like we're looking into it. The story had anonymous sources. So that isn't very helpful to us. You know what I mean. So that was one of the main things and that Wall Street Journal article and I think it's the same kind of examples in the committee's documents. They point out specific examples like car trunk, organizers of all things. It's like weird little products like Amazon's like this is a little hot. Maybe we should do that. So I, I think. I, think they made a good case yesterday. Yesterday on that. Yeah. I mean bezos brought up that Wall Street Journal, Article himself twice, and he was like, well, your policy against it. But I can't guarantee never happened. Then there is a strange just didn't come across clear I. Think I know what the committee was trying to get at their like US aggregate seller data when there's only three sellers and then only to sellers? Yes, I. Think what they're getting at is when you're down to the aggregate data of two companies, you heard effectively looking at individual data. What is the problem? They're like the I get what you're doing. You're just reducing the denominator to get to one, but like it, why is that particular problem? Right? Well, none of these. Dipping into individual seller data and looking at aggregate data. That's not a legal. There is no law. This is all voluntary of Amazon. So they have a voluntary policy where like we can't do individual seller data, but they say nothing against aggregate and aggregate what you're getting at eight. Here you is. Does the same thing if it's just like some goofy little product they. They bring up pop stock. It's all the time before pop tops in a moment. Right? There's only like one pop. So company like you know pop soggy, it was kind of an innovative product. It's like well, if there's only two of them and use the aggregate data, you you you have everything you need to know you know about that product line looking aggregate. If that's what you decide to qualify as do you as you're looking through the other Amazon documents and other stuff. So anything jump out at you is something the committee was trying to prove or get at. The questioning seemed very focused on. Like are you using the state at a copy products? Are you buying things? You shouldn't buy. There's one question which I did not understand why came up about DMC. Take downs on twitch and Jeff as just had this look of panic in his eyes. He's like I don't know man I bought Wedge because my kids want to. Do something like that was like the side show stuff, but the real focus here, it just seemed like it was definitely in the marketplace, right? Amazon, everyone came at Amazon for the marketplace. That's what everybody knows him as like they have all these little sides. They got rain. They got Alexa Alexa was one thing too. That was kind of interesting. It's like. Are you buying things like ring to put Alexa into and dislike expand your like Titan Ism as like an Internet Internet connected home. Thing and make that more closed off and walled gardening. That was one thing. But no, it was just focusing on how much power they have to kind of change. What happens in the marketplace to kind of decide what companies in what products are able to come up on the first page of results. You know that's also something that they dug into Google and in something that one of those like themes that kind of ties everything together. We should say they all spend a lot of time talking about counterfeit goods, and why is it Amazon removed? Fake stuff from the platform and how much is it profiting off of you know selling pick rolexes? Is it surprising? The whole foods didn't show up at all they're. Like that is a really massive thing. Amazon owns that. Is it moving into a huge new product category? I think whole foods is not an online marketplace, which was the title of the hearing, not that that restricted anybody from doing anything except that, one of the things Amazon says is we have lots of competition from offline marketplaces, right? Brought up kroger a lot I mean, this is the case he's point. They all made. It seem like they were beset at any moment. They could be crushed by the likes of stop and Shop Right? Like I think the point though was really on the. Digital. Experience Consumers have and like I, don't know Ho-. Foods fits. Into that narrative, especially, because it is itself not dominant like they bought it because you needed to grow in their. Good at that at my question for you on the Amazon stuff was when you think about, we talk about two thirty a lot right like you and I in particular spent a lot time to thirty, which regulates with the platform can do with content. There's not really an equivalent of two thirty for goods on store. Right like there's some case is out there saying like you're liable for what what happens on your online store page, but Amazon doesn't have that like second order of like Messi nece around it that twitter and facebook to with two thirty, I. Mean, it gets invoked a lot for marketplace's, but it's way messier. Well, I just wanted to like this question at counterfeits question about ranking the store like they are even more free than any twitter is to to sort tweets algorithm. Algorithm clear to modern like it just their store. Do you think that they're like that Algorithm transparency? Your wire things ranked. Did you catch a sense that that's where the regulation is GonNa go. So much of the conversation around Amazon really felt like it was individuals sellers being wronged for reasons of Amazon being unresponsive or stealing. It's data. So I don't know it didn't. It didn't seem like a really big focus of the hearing, but it is a huge deal. Yeah. The, digital marketplace frame of this, which is where we have talked to. Cellini. That's where he's going right like facebook and Google very digital. They have like they don't do physical goods. Really. Apple is the APP store. It's all digital goods. Amazon is the one where it's. Front to a lot of physical things, and that is the only place where I can see this regulation needing to make some sort of like major meaningful distinction in I. Didn't see it in the hearing, but I was curious of you caught a glimmer of it. I'm not positive that they have to make a huge distinction there like depending on what they come up with because. So much of this is about their companies and whatever product they produced. The issue is more or less whether or not they're being surveilled and unfairly by targeted and crushed by that data surveillance. All right. We have gone for forty minutes. We should take a quick break. I said I wasn't going to go by company and it happens. So we should come back and talk with facebook Ango. We'll be right back. This is advertiser content. When I say utopia what comes to mind. Birds Chirping lush natural beauty dialed up and vibrant technicolor. Is it within reach. Your world world. World. explained. You are an essential part of the perfect social body. Every Body Matt Place. Everybody happy now while the peacock original series, brave new world takes place in a scientific futuristic utopia. A concept is nothing new Sir Thomas more. I introduced the theory five hundred years ago. 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These are really difficult crazy stressful times, and if you're trying to sort of cope, it could be helpful to find something that gets beyond like doom scrolling and like obsessive worried. But digs into what is really going on underneath the surface, and that's what the weeds is all about I. Matthew Yglesias. Weeds podcast here on the box meeting podcast network. This is podcast for people who really want to understand the policy debates and policy issues that shaping our world. We've seen now more than ever like how relevant policy is to our actual lives, but so much in the news isn't focused on really understanding and explaining detail way if that sounds good to you, join us for the weeds, every Tuesday and Friday to find out what's going on why matters and what we can do about it. You could download the weeds on apple spotify or wherever else you get your podcasts. Tracy. When it comes to facebook I turn to you. FACEBOOK is patience consumer of startups as what we've learned. Yeah. But you said something to me yesterday was interesting, which is everyone else's problems are forward looking and it feels like facebook's problems are actually in the past break for people explain what you mean. Yeah. So when Congress is looking at any trust with respect to these four companies for three of them, it's It's sort of about the marketplaces that their operating right now with facebook, the question is much more about should we have allowed it to buy serum? Should we have allowed it to buy WHATSAPP and most of the antitrust conversation that was around facebook yesterday was all about that. What did Mark Zuckerberg know about Instagram, and when did he know it? We wrote a story based on some documents that the house released yesterday. In which facebook has clearly identified instagram as a competitor. In at least some ways and wants to go after it and knock it off the table, and so that's kind of where the focuses their facebook and Burke did get a lot of other questions yesterday, but it tended to be much more about content moderation and things that don't have a lot to do with antitrust. So there was weird section where they asked the face. Face Research APP in the novel, Vpn? Any kind of got lost well, explain what happened and I'm curious reactions. Yeah. So facebook has a bunch of nifty tech tools to figure out what's trending which APPs or the kids using, and so that can essentially have an early warning system if it needs to consider acquiring something or more likely in these days, go out clone it. and. So Zuckerberg was asked about the way that the company uses these systems and if they are anti competitive I, think you know traditional antitrust law probably would not say copying an APP feature is anti competitive, but could lobby written in the future about it shirt I. Think the one that caught me was I mean, this is what I'm. McKenna's points from earlier is like one of the themes here is, are you so dominant that you can collect data that's unfair and then use that to crush or killer competitors, and definitely bought the Inaba VPN to do it. That's true. Now, when I've asked executives at facebook about this, what they'll say is they don't get surprised anymore. When you have three point, one billion people using your apps around the world. You know what links they're sharing, you know what they're talking about. And so you're not going to need some kind of specialized tool to know that WHATSAPP is really taking off. Right. So they would argue that, yes, these tools were useful to them, but you know at their scale, they know what's popular now, which doesn't really seem like addresses, the problem is reached. The fact that we're so big that we're all knowing is maybe not the defense that they sometimes presented as so here's what I didn't get. I thought, Zuckerberg I want to the instagram. What's about who's issues, but on the facebook research front, the data front, they him about this APP facebook research, which you were giving to teens. They were deploying with an enterprise certificate that story broke apple revoke the certificate, and all of facebook's internal APPs went dark, and this is a scandal story after story about it, they went on for two days. So I can I, don't recall that APP? Just how he you know, he remembers the day that all facebook's internal APPS went down and people couldn't go to the cafeteria. I would agree I found that answer. Extremely, ed? Persuasive. that. Do you think that was like actually strategic for him to be like, I, don't know and then come back later and correct the record I do remember when that happened I. Mean. I really don't know I mean also you know during a six hour hearing, it's also possible that you just you get flustered or you miss here something or or something because. Yeah. As as you say, I'm sure he remembers the day that apple turned off their internal APPS I mean. Honestly. Seems like an opportunity to talk about apple's market power, and the fact that you know a day of work canceled at facebook because apple got mad. But I think most of the CEO's didn't go into yesterday a wanted to pick fights with each other. It was kind of sad that they didn't. I was Kinda hoping that Tim Cook take a shot at soccer burger. Point that the other two APP platforms I was expecting it. It was there. It was. There was all there. So cellini ended and he ended the whole meeting with closing statement. He said, some of these companies didn't get broken out. They all need to get regulated in the off too much power that some of them I. don't these breaking up apple. What sort of break. Right like. The division get sent into the corner thing about what it's done. Right. Does should spin out the finder team I've always wanted to. A clean is always that they want to. They want the APP store to be separate from the IPHONE. Basically, that's the thing I always hear. Can't break I. Think you can write some strong regulations but not playing you're on store, right. But like Elizabeth Warren's point was it's cleaner if it's two companies, but it's still a gigantic remedy that I don't think there's a lot of like like consumer or public opinion is going to walk into an Apple Cup I think you'll radio at marketplace. It seems very clear that we says some of them she broken up he is talking about facebook. I have a twenty percent conference level. He might be talking with Google and Youtube as well. But if he's going to say some of the need to get broken up like it's facebook, did you hear anything yesterday that supported that conclusion or Saudi stocks I? MEAN HE I don't remember which Republican it was, but he was like the Obama FTC looked at this and they said it was minding love. Obama. Right. Like. Why would we go back in time to relook at I? Mean, there is a belief and I mean. Somebody who thinks there could be a lot of benefit in instagram and WHATSAPP being different companies from facebook. And the reason you ask. So many questions about that acquisition as you're making the case that it never should have been approved in the first place, and so now you need to remedy it. So that was actually like the entire thrust of the argument against facebook yesterday. I think, you could probably make just as good a case that Amazon after spin out aws, but lawmakers chose not to make that case. Yeah. I think that also gets into. Politics of the acquisition of the time. To his credit is like nobody knew instagram would actually be a success like we made it a success. It didn't happen by itself. I, don't know if the lawmakers. By award, these guys said, but I don't know that he actually made that case very persuasively. and. Who knows I mean? That's like anything could have happened. Right? Cram could've stayed independent and rapidly grown and overtaken facebook like that's something that could have happened. It could have kind settled into a middle zone like snapchat or twitter seems more likely to me although I think probably would have been bigger than those two but. You're never going to know I mean it is true that facebook gave Mike and Kevin it instagram enormous resources. A lot of the reasons why Mike and Kevin sold was because running tiny startup that's blowing up is absolutely exhausting Mike. Krieger. was dragging his laptop all around San. Francisco. Because the servers were melting at all times of the day whenever Justin Bieber. Posted like the site stopped working and they really we need help. Finding a person who can quickly fix this? So we don't have to like that is the reason that they were entertaining these offers and wanted to sell it. So that is also thing that happened. Do you think that that same kind of argument or approach can apply to what's up? What's up basically did not come up yesterday and all the focus on Instagram, but that's the other one, right? Yeah, and we know weirdly a lot less about that acquisition I. Think it's because people in America just have so much less love for what's APP generally. That, it's never seemed as important. What happened to WHATSAPP as what happens to instagram even though WHATSAPP, is used, you know way more, it probably has way more engagement even than instagram does so I don't know why that didn't come up as often. We know there was a competitive bidding war for that as well. Goule. Wanted it as well. You know Mark Zuckerberg made them an offer, they can't refuse. Do you think everyday Google's we should've spent more money on what's whatsapp like this could have been solved. Should have, but Google has been placed under an ancient curse that prevents them from ever making the right decision about any social product. So it was doomed never to happen. It's fun looking through the documents and watching them casually say they should buy facebook dot com. Yeah, that. Point. That is how they talk like the window into these executives just casually being like we should just this thing or maybe not, or we should just copied ourselves and kill it before it gets any traction like it's repeated over and over again last facebook question. This one is like harder to parse because I. There's a chance, it's October is just joking around but. But. He's in many of these emails. He's like the thing about startups, as you can always buy them, which I think the committee thinks is a smoking gun, right? Like facebook's entire plan is to buy the competition to get the data from wherever they get it to say, oh, man, this apps popping, we just buy it and kill it before it competes with us. I. Think he actually said at one point. That's a joke. Yes, he did and I believe that you know it was two thousand, twelve, right? He was probably still in his mid twenties. At that point, the company was a lot smaller like people were joking around like there's more loose talk when companies are younger and I do think. It was it was part of that. I think the more interesting question becomes. Let's say facebook is telling the truth about everything. Let's say they thought it was going to be a successful acquisition, but they never knew it was gonna big as it became today and they invested in it and it got super big. Okay. Well, now, it's as big as it is. Should they be allowed to keep? Keep it or should they be forced to spend it out and if you're GONNA force them to spin it out. What's the argument that you'RE GONNA. Make about why one question that I have a lot is clearly the referral they're gonNa make, and it seems like if you don't have some other reason, we've heard hints that there's some other reason, the FTC scrutinize this that will eventually be revealed. But what you're saying is the antitrust standard at the time, the Consumer Hartman stand, which is still our standard. Says, you have to prove prices will go up both products for free. You're screwed. Right? There's nothing to review because you're not gonNA prove prove that free products are gonNA get more expensive. I think it's pretty unfair if you change the standard and you go back in time and say you missed that standard. So I think there has to be something else there. Well, what was the standard by which at and T. was broken up? Right? Like presumably at and T. didn't used to be that big, and then it just got really big and then they broke it up at least. That's the thumbnail understanding I have of that break-up. Well, yeah. But then reformed itself. Right. But because of lax antitrust regulation, right? Like it wasn't a naturally occurring phenomenon that all those APPS got back to the other or was that just sort of like inattention to capitalism It's like in the seventies and eighties. This is Tim moves book the cursive bigness in the seventies and eighties Robert Bork I can't talk about Robert on this podcast. Are we doing this right now. Robert was very influential judge Appellate Judge Federal Appellate? Judge. And basically moved the antitrust law to the consumer harm standard as part of a movement called and economics. A whole thing Robert. Bork. Mostly famous because he was not appointed. He was nominated Supreme Court by Reagan but they leaked video tape rental history, and then he didn't get nominated and that is where the expression getting bork's comes from. This is all true Netflix's still has to abide by videotape data privacy act is a whole. This is all true when facebook and Netflix had some partners, Nansen? Partnership. To. Automatically share your net flicks, watch history to facebook. They're like pending the change of this law which we are working on Robert Bork. He haunts us all. I'm sorry, I can't believe this much. Yeah I. think that's just like the law changed in the in the seventies and eighties, the standard change. The conversation right now is a very much about changing it back months and months ago, pre pandemic, we had an economist from I. Think it was Nyu Thomas Philippon came on the show, and he was like look you have this natural ab test going on in the world where the European Union when it formed was like, how do we get an economy like America's? So, we'll just take their competition policies pretty good, and at the same time we changed consumer harm standard. So everything you're seeing the EU is basically our old competition antitrust standard in. You can see how active they are in everything. Here's a new consumer welfare standard. Whether you believe, this is actually a functional Ab test given. The state of both governments is up for debate, but that was his point I thought. It was spare can say.
Better News with Sam Sanders
"Sam Sanders. Thank you so much for joining us today. Just seemed beautiful faces. You have done a lot of political reporting for NPR. You also host the podcast standard minute which covers pop culture and news so much happening in the world right now. That requires you to be plugged in I'm curious. How has the news been affecting you? In this moment it's been it's been a lot so like the news. Itself is heavy, and it's hard as a drink of color to be a real human being who you are and also processed kind of news I. Think what's bigger for me. What's larger from my mind? Right now is how. Black germ was trickily. We are asked to be a part of this story. educate white people and our white friends, but also be extremely diplomatic, and above the fray at the same time. I think even on twitter I've noticed a lot of the people that I follow being respectful about the kinds of images share, but on cable news is kind of like I mean. How many times was the image of George Floyd circulated? It makes me wonder what you think about how these stories are being covered I, think. We are seeing. Newsroom leaders. In this moment seek to cover the black men and women who are being killed by police seek to cover the black people, and all kinds of people out there protesting and marching, and the same instances they do not accept the full humanity of the black journalists in their Dutra this idea of objectivity, which is been around and. Mention John Lesson for a few decades now basically says all journalists are above the fray. They are not partisan. They are not local. They don't take any side. report the facts now. We're faced with his moment where we're having talk about black lives, matter again and newsrooms are asking folks like me to be. Objective in that Muzasa us to see both sides. But there's no both sides when a man like me is being choked up for eight minutes night. I watch cable. News and you just watching the news in general I feel like I've never seen so many kind of flat correspondence. Grave because you have them there, but it's also tough because he feels like. They're bringing them out to kind of just comment on this moment. Comment on trauma, and it's not just common. We are asked in many ways to publicly perform black grief for white consumption, and so my flight in this the moment is to say, amplify these flat voices, but don't make us. Criers were more than that journalists. It seems like right now. The it's more urgent than ever to stay informed, but. It feels all that. It seems like it's like one horrible thing after another. I'm curious like somebody who has to stay informed. How do you do that with out losing it? I would say the first order business is knowing that like you don't have to be on twitter all the time, and you should not be on twitter all the time. I think especially at night. We have to monitor our media consumption we can go to. To Sleep. There are many nights now I will turn the phone off. Walk the phone down to my car in the parking garage in my building. Put the bone in the car. The is every night in Sam's went upstairs to go to bed and then I think the second order of business is to consistently kind of truth. Squad yourself with other people you trust and Mike talk about this news with other people that you trust. If you sit at home on the scroll on the feet all day, and it's just you and your thoughts by the end of the day your tears. It is okay to call someone you know interest just to unpack. At this point is too much for anyone to deal with alone too much last night I was able to sleep in its partners. I'm able to function, but like the day before I made the mistake of opening twitter just before I went to sleep in literally the first thing in time I was video of a black being being killed Yup and I did not sleep. What can we ask you? This register is as journalists than black folks on the Internet. We feel this duty in moments like this to constantly be in the struggle, but what I always tell myself is. You can't centers up on fire to keep other people more. And at a certain point, your self destruction is not helping anyone. With so much processing of our own that we have to do with all of these traumatic entrenching headlines. I'm wondering. Has Anything changed for you about how you report the news? Take the imaginary white man off your shelter. I think what I think. Leg We so much. Show is a podcast, and it's also on the radio and the average age demo of a weekend. NPR listener is fifty eight years old plus mostly white for the longest time I was at. Gut Check everything I did and say we'll look. Will that person get and so I think my responsibility in charge to myself now? Is Not to worry if they understand all of it or like all of it, but to worry about it, but I'm saying it's true NFL what saying speaks to the vomit. I have consumed white media since I was a kid, and I just figured it out I watched frazier. Do you know I watch? I watch all that stuff and I. Know I can I can figure this out I want to give my white listeners same grace, so that's been my charged myself in this moment cake. This imaginary white may have to perform for off my shoe. And just? Tell the truth and making play
NBCUniversal Wades Into Streaming Wars With Peacock
"There is yet entrant in the streaming worse. NBC universals Contender Peacock lunches today with a host of classic shows like Frasier and cheers. NBC Is Hoping Peacock will stand out as a low cost option with tears of content at different prices, including a free version with commercials of course, but our reporter Joe Flint says that even from day one peacock faces an uphill battle, the big challenge really for them right now is. It's a very crowded marketplace. They are coming in late to it. I think even their own top executives would acknowledge that they've been. been a little late to the streaming game. That doesn't necessarily mean they're doomed. Of course, if the analogy they used, and it's an accurate one. If you look at the cable news world when Fox News debuted, they were late behind MSNBC, and CNN and the general consensus was. They won't make a mark. Obviously, we've seen that's not the case what their their hope was to use the wind. Sorry the Summer Olympics. Promotional, platform so. They kind of lost the billboard that they were planning on. And they're going to launch with less of the original programming. They were hoping to debut with the Hollywood shutdown of production. Due to the corona virus is basically put a lot of projects in limbo for now. That's not just them of course. Disney plus. Hbo Max. Even even that flakes, no one's producing right now, but if you're a new service and you only have a handful of new shows that also may make it tougher to get people to come sample you
Pete Buttigieg on Joe Biden's New Economic Recovery Plan
"Comes a covert nine tain. Of doing nothing other than predicting virus would disappear or maybe the drank bleach. You may be okay. Trump is simply given up. He's waved the white flag. He's walked away. This failures come with the terrible human cost. And deep economic toll. Time and again working families are paying the price. For this administration's incompetence. There's no other way to say it then incompetence. Speech at a factory in Pennsylvania today, the former vice president of rolled out his seven hundred billion dollar economic recovery plan today. He outlined his build back better plan near his hometown of Scranton Jr also happens to be a battleground state Biden's pitch comes as another one point, three million Americans filed for unemployment just last week as the pandemic continues as he said to take its toll for more, we welcome to our broadcast people to judge author veteran former mayor of South Bend Indiana, and of course, former Democratic presidential candidate. Thank you for coming on Mr Mayor and when you think about it. Infrastructure was always lying out there. Available to this president. It was a layup shot. It was an open net. All He'd had to do was name as he could have put his name on all those your tax dollars at work signs on the interstates. All he had to do was funded Joe Biden today gave it. A name pledged to fund it with fifty million Americans out of work. It's probably a good idea. No. Absolutely Joe Biden's put forward plan to make sure we're investing in American competitiveness investing in American manufacturing, which will do a lot of good in my part of the country, investing workers, research and development, and you're right, you know infrastructure is one of those things that. Frankly I. think mayors on both sides of the aisle. This president might actually deliver since it's very popular good for the economy. We need to do but. Even, this basic idea a. UPGRADING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE DONALD TRUMP campaign don. Didn't bother to actually do it. Joe Biden will because I think he understands the importance of a tour on. It's been something that's needed attention for some time, but now with our economy in shambles. It's also an opportunity to get people back to work. I want to play for you. Something this is. Telephone interview tonight, Sean Hannity Donald. Trump is how donald trump went after Joe Biden today. And he walks onto the stage wearing this massive mask. There's nobody on the stage, and then he takes off. He likes to have it hanging off usually the left ear I think it makes them feel good, frankly if you WanNa know the truth, and I guess that's okay, but you know when there's nobody around a. you don't really have to do that, but he feels. It's good and I'm okay with it if he wants to do that. He's got the largest basket. I think I've ever seen. It covers up you'll. You'll be wearing a mask to walk. feels. He looks good that way. So Mr Mayor? If he's GonNa litigated mask wearing masks size. What ear he hangs it off of in the midst of pandemic with fifty million out of work I'm assuming side. We'll take that fight. We Will Americans are dying is not a fight that we asked for, but and look nothing about district be political or partisan, listening to doctors should not be a partisan issue, and if you look at among the people, most Americans, trust medical scientists way more than they trust. Donald Trump but unfortunately a lot of his political protectors are allowing this to turn into a culture. Joe Biden wore a mask because he's setting an example about how to save lives, because that's what presidents did, and you know in addition to the bad policies in addition to the incompetent management I think the thing that's costing the American people most right now is. We don't have a president who has any? Any concept of the importance to setting an example of calling the American people who are highest valleys i. that's what Joe Biden was talking about from day one back when we were competing for the nomination, where his campaign was built on the left of the soul of the nation of battle, now underway the nation I think the reason you see our party united and a lot of independence in an increasing number of what I like to call future. Former Republicans all coming together to say that we want to lecture by the defeat. Trump is that you don't have to be a die hard rock real down crash to see that we need a better example set by the American presidency. Must be an interesting time for you as a veteran. You've got senator. Duckworth getting called a coward who hates America by a cable news host? You have lieutenant. Colonel Veneman men, putting in his paperwork. And you have this story of bounties being paid by Russia and Russia's President American lives of your brothers and sisters in uniform in Afghanistan and the Defense Secretary for one is a voice. We could probably use to hear right about now you agree. Do and I think that we need answered quickly about exactly what the president did not only his shocking inaction in the time, leading up to the story, came out his silence and inaction about the issue since. Ever, since the story is broken, I've been hearing from friends that I served with and look. This adds up to pack whether it's the way they talk about Senator Doctors who gave? More, to this country. Than just about any critics. Whether, it's the fact that a another were here. Colonel has career derailed fleet. Or the failure to protect troops abroad. It's clear that this administration has no respect for the military, and as one of the reasons why members of the military are looking for different. I think that represents a historic opportunity for my party. Keep reaching out again. It shouldn't be a cars an issue, the shooting way beyond politics, but right now we've got a very clear choice between somebody like Vice President Biden, who whose families military family whose son served. As somebody like Donald Trump, who's you know? Origins include going out of his way to avoid certain taking advantage of his millionaire connections to do it. As young man always rooted today where he just clearly doesn't care about protecting American troops, things like what we've learned that Russia to do. People judge, thank you very much for coming on great to have you on the broadcast tonight. Appreciate it
Juneteenth Now an Official Holiday for Philadelphia
"A number of senators planning to introduce a bill that would make today Juneteenth a federal holiday it's already recognized in Pennsylvania the emancipation proclamation took effect on January first eighteen sixty three but it took two years for the news to reach and slave Africans in Texas K. Y. W.'s community affairs reporter Cherri Gregg has more do you believe that it became so inspection was that it became a celebration that stop talk to molest a Kitty Assante tear the Afrikaner G. department at Temple University is that Juneteenth celebration started in taxes and expanded across the country focuses on storytelling food and family something that slavery tore part about it was about expressing how wonderful it was the problem is the big data everyone gets excited about July fourth but that's not our independent Taj Murdoch at celebrity duty today with the brotherly love silent men's March through West Philadelphia by young people black men being arrested everyday black men being killed every day and now that lasting image of the life of like George Lloyd that image is imprinted in their minds we want to restore the image the with the black man through the years there are dozens of Juneteenth event happening all day today both virtually and in person for a list go to cable news radio dot
Is history at a turning point? How can we meet the moment?
"Now is the covid nineteen pandemic continues to grow, so are the parallels being drawn between it and another deadly virus that struck the globe more than a century ago, talking about the Spanish flu. Guys. We've been taking a look at some of the video from nineteen sixty eight. There's a lot of pieces of video that look very similar to what we're seeing today. Implementing the images and emotions coming out of Minneapolis too familiar to what happened right here in Ferguson Missouri in two thousand fourteen George Floyd arrest on a Minneapolis street corner, and his frantic pleas for help have given rise to one of the most turbulent periods in recent American history. The question that I can't stop asking myself. How does this all and You may have heard. At various points this year that we are living history right now. The truth is we're always living history. It's just that some of us can afford to ignore it until it boils over. But when racism and police brutality, and the rage that comes in response to that are laid bare for the world to see. In the middle of a pandemic and martial law is threatened. And nobody gets to look away. Everyone wants to know what happens next. Do, we even have a historical precedent for what's happening in America and around the world right now. What is the larger context of how we arrived at this moment? What are we missing when we watch people discuss it on. Cable News. And what needs to happen now? But does each of US need to do? For this to be a moment that changes the world for the better. That's still possible. I'm Jordan Rawlings, and this is the big story. Andre Demise is a writer and journalist, a contributing editor at Maclean's and a Nathanson fellow in history at York University. He is one of the smartest guests. We ever have on this podcast hi Andre. How's it going toward? It's going about as well as it can more importantly, how are you? doing my best I'm trying to reduce stress as much as I can by hanging out with my children and you know. Occasionally occasionally seeing partner but we're both in school. We've both got tons of homework were both busy plus jobs and everything else so yeah, we're even busier than before. The whole lockdown happened. Figure that and now you're spending this week with white people like me, asking you to please explain the historical context of this well I mean yeah, yeah, I am spending a lot of time explaining shift away, people. I mean I all. I can say I sincerely. Thank you for it. you know I? Just I find you incredibly smart and able to help me. learn some stuff from this. Thanks for taking the time Oh. Stop stuttered. Stop your flattery. I'm about to Leeann as I can plan. Why don't you just start by telling me while you watch everything? That's been happening this past week. What's going through your head? People say things like we've been through worse or we've been here before, and I have to ask the question. When when when of we've been here before we've been here before. Quote Unquote in nine eighteen during the Spanish flu pandemic. We've been here. Nine, hundred nineteen during the May Day riots and during red summer. We've been here before in nineteen sixty eight. But. My question is when when is all this happened at the same time? This is not this is unprecedented. My. Question is what is supposed to look like when when it's all over when the dust settles. Because at some point, there's going to be a change of some kind. Throughout history what happens in the course of a popular uprising that moves to straight up volt. The two methods that the ruling class can use. To try and tamp it down. One is use of force. This is where the Jimmy breaks down. This is where the state has to reveal as violence. And come out against the people with arms, or can try placating the people you can try it for example, the Civil Rights Act. It can try the declaration of the rights. It can try any number of mechanisms. To make that, the populace still has some faith in the state, but what? This looks like I don't know that there's anything to placate like there's I. Don't know that there's any mechanism. The state can try to convince people that social contract is worth upholding. That's the thing that keeps going through my head. Is You know what kind of concession can be made universally across? You know the entire United States that would actually mollify the anger I do know some of the answers to those questions I do know. That and this is something that I've been talking about over the last few years. That capitalism depends on racism to be able to reproduce and propagate itself. It's just plain fact If you beat Donald Harassed, who is a former economist Stanford also happens to be the father of Kamla Harris the former presidential candidate. But apparently they didn't. They didn't really have much of a relationship, but throughout American history. The the use of Racist promises the promising of white rages. what's been described as racial republicanism by scholars like David. What that does is incentivize the white working class against their black peers. It has the white working class essentially the. Generates like we are the only people that deserve to have. Rights. Everybody else is a on a cast below us. And until that cycle is abolished until we move away from a system of capital that accumulates the value of people's Labor and the crews it to a few select people. And then spreads out the rewards among certain other people, and then makes promises to certain people. Until that cycle is broken. I'm afraid we're going to be seeing this for the rest of our lives. I mean you're a fellow in history what? have. We seen that even close to like this in the past that ended with concessions. You have to go back very far. I mean you can. You can look at for example I mean not. Bolivia has been taken over in ashes coup. But if you look at Bolivia for example, the the presidency of evil, Morales and the Movement for socialism in Bolivia, lifted thousands upon thousands upon thousands of people out of out of poverty. It increased literacy rates incorporated indigenous eighty into the broader society. You had the the coca farmers. The the coca does I their their practices and their agricultural methods were incorporated into the broader nation. So that you didn't have eight of. The United States rating forms and burning crops. You headed that this is this is a a plants, but this is also a way of life that is valid, and the fact that it's been twisted into a normal trade has nothing to do with the people that originated the practice, so look at Bolivia for example like that. That was up until very recently and experiments in creating a broader. Social Democracy that was more inclusive and helped marginalized people, so
Trump’s executive order could be a disaster for thwarting misinformation
"You Michel Cinder. Let's look ahead to today. I know the president is working on some sort of executive order pertaining to social media. Again more distractions. What are you watching? That's what I'm watching as we have this conversation. It's the door conversation about that. Death toll one hundred thousand Americans were more actually dying from this virus. The president is focused on pushing back on social media companies. It's comes of course. After twitter changed its policies to start trying to explain to people that are on the site that some of the president's tweets are not are misleading. Including of course labeling some of those tweets misleading in China provide information including on mail in voting the site saying that President Trump is spreading information on that. The president is expected to sign some sort of executive order. That would push back on them. It seems like it's going to be some sort of regulation possibly stripping them of some some sort of protections that they have a social media companies. It's not clear exactly. The White House hasn't said exactly what the president's going to be timing what we do know that this is going to be in retaliation to what he sees as twitter really targeting him and treating him unfairly. So it's in some ways another split screen where you have the nation still thinking about one hundred thousand and more Americans that we've lost and the president focused on opponents that he sees focused on his perceived enemies and focused on what he seizes liberal people trying to get out. And when of course this is really a social media company trying to respond to the overwhelming criticism of the president who has at times spread misinformation on his website. And of course this comes as the witter of of a woman of course. The president had said over and over again was murdered. Which of course is a baseless claim. Laurie close so I think in some ways. I think it's really it's really historic but it's also really. It's it's incredible that the president is going to be spending part of his time trying to hit back at twitter. I'm what is spreading baseless murder conspiracy theories? Well it's a distraction make. It's all a distraction. It's still and again against you but you have to look you have to step back and you have to look at when this began and the really outrageous stuff began as we were moving towards that Sunday front page New York Times Article. That showed that one hundred thousand. Americans we're going to be dead from the coronavirus and so now it's morph into fights with cable news hosts Al Sad that and and twitter And as long as he can get people talking about that being shocked and stunned and deeply said about that. They're not going to be focusing. On the fact that one hundred thousand people died of a pandemic that he said was just one person coming in from China. But I'm seeing a lot of people even trump supporters who see this as basically as they see the coronavirus they see this president endangering their lives not leading by example pushing quack drugs. That don't that actually are dangerous. That help other people in other ways but are dangerous in terms of treating corona virus. They see that it's basic it impacts their basic safety. Well when they watch him talking about this conspiracy theory in the light of the husband asking him to stop in the lot of grieving family begging for mercy and begging him to stop and they see him running over that request. That's as basic to them as it pertains to decency. I think there are a lot of trump supporters. I've been seen and reading. That are just like no. This is the bottom of the barrel of the core of who you are and we can't support this. So that is that is grieving family. Obviously but Willie you grieving family. That just does not deserve this. There are other one hundred thousand. Grieving families Today and we also should talk about the president ridiculing. People for wearing masks ridiculing Joe Biden a public figure for wearing a mask for following actually the guidelines of the White House following the guidelines to Dr Foul chief following the guidelines of the for following the guidelines of just about every doctrine America and mocking members of the press.
Trump Pushes a Conspiracy Theory That Falsely Accuses a TV Host of Murder
"President trump has also been using Twitter to promote a conspiracy theory accusing cable news host and former congressman Joe Scarborough of killing a former staff member investigators say Lori close students suffered a heart condition that caused her to fall and hit her head in Scarborough's office in two thousand one a medical examiner ruled her death an accident in a letter lorries widower Timothy close students asked Twitter to delete the president's tweets saying the president of the United States has taken something that does not belong to him the memory of my dad wife and perverted it for perceived political
Trump Pushes a Conspiracy Theory and Falsely Accuses a TV Host of Murder
"Any group president a murder conspiracy theory and a pain family thank you very much everybody at the letter from a way to work that's calling attention to president trump's open embrace of false theories last week to medical students wrote to the CEO of Twitter urging him to delete tweets by president trump that suggested his wife Lori was murdered in the letter obtained by The New York Times close to this as the quote conspiracy theorists including most recently the president of the United States continue to spread their bile and misinformation on the platform disparaging the memory of his wife Laurie because soon as died in two thousand one president trump has repeatedly spread the baseless idea that her former boss current cable news host Joe Scarborough might have something to do with her death late today at the White House the president doubled down it's a very suspicious thing and I hope somebody gets to the bottom of it today Scarborough who is frequently criticized president trump said the claim compound the family's grief whether it's the president are whether it's people following the president it is on speaker bully
White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany gives her first briefing
"For the first time in four hundred and seventeen days a White House press secretary held a briefing Kayleigh McEnany had this message for reporters I will never lie to you you have my word on that as to the timing of the briefings on we do plan to do them I will announce timing of that forthcoming but we do plan to continue these making any was named the latest White House press secretary this month replacing Stephanie Grisham who never held a formal press briefing Meghan Anne was previously a frequent trump surrogate on cable news and a spokeswoman for the trump
Coronavirus Update with Dr. Peter Hotez
"My Name is Dr Peter. Hotels and I believe that everybody in the United States deserve access to new drugs and therapies vaccines for cove in nineteen regardless of their ability to pay Arina. Sorry Dr Hotels. Thank you so much for joining us again. A lot has happened since last. We spoke some of it. Good and a lot of it bad. Can you just give us an overview about the status of the pandemic in America right now? Well of course the big over you for the US was this really horrible humanitarian tragedy in New York New Jersey Connecticut in the northeast. And we're still not nearly done. It's probably still going to go on for a few more weeks but I never thought we would see that level of the station in terms of death and admissions to the hospital in intensive care unit. And it's given me a real perspective on how things could go terribly wrong here in the United States so for me. Now it's all hands on deck and making certain that what happened in New York especially in places like Queens New York which you know I know you know very well would never happen again elsewhere in the US. Well I mean you call that a humanitarian crisis. Why do you identify it as that? Well it's the level of suffering that I'm seeing and it goes beyond you know it's not just the ticks of the number of deaths. I mean we're hearing about scores of schoolteachers. For instance getting sick and dying. And even you know there was an article that really broke my heart about the doormen New York. Yeah numbers of them have gotten sick and died and I went to medical school and Graduate School in New York at Cornell and Rockefeller. And you know you'd have a bad day in the lab and you just take a walk and the only people up at that hour would be guys standing in the doorway and on some evenings. They'd be your only friend and you'd have a little. You know nothing little informal chat with them and and that all those people are getting so sick and dying is really heartbreaking. So that the situation in New York and New Jersey and the thing that I'm really concerned about now is whether we really learned our lessons from New York and New Jersey. Why do I say that's so? For instance here in Texas. We saw what was happening in New York. We implemented social distancing early on really ahead of the virus so we never saw peak anything close to resembling what happened in New York and New Jersey. And that's been great. We've not had a huge number of admissions in the Texas Medical Center to the hospital the ICU we've got some. But it's definitely a manageable problem but now I think we're starting to hear from the governor that now they're anxious to open things up again right and relaxed social distancing even though a number of the epidemiologic models and I know the epidemiologic models are not perfect they have their flaws are basically saying for some states like Texas. We need to maintain that social distancing until June. One until we go back to containment vote and the problem is that the governor's in many parts of the south and the West. Just don't have the appetite for that. They're going to open things up earlier than June one. And maybe even by next week or the week afterwards and I understand the realities of closing down the economy. I understand the hardships that many people are facing that. They're not getting a paycheck and I understand the need to open segments of the economy. The piece that bothers me is that I'm not confident. We have the public health infrastructure. That's been put into place in order to manage what's going to be a new surge. We don't have places of business well set up to do testing a regular basis. We don't have the staff in place from public health agencies to do the contact tracing. We don't have syndrome surveillance activities in place so I'm very worried not so much for the next few weeks but I'm worried we're going to start to see a brand new round of searches that could even dwarf the ones. We've been seeing what happens starting over the summer. So I'm very worried and going on cable news a lot explaining this that come July and August if we don't have national plan in place not only around the economic recovery but linking at the public health we could even see unfolding situation. That's worse than we saw in March and now the first couple of weeks of April. Well the thing that I don't understand is has it. Peaked and with governors wanting to open up their states. Will there even be a single national peak or are we just going to keep peaking state by state and not get on the same page with this? And is it necessary to get on the same page? That's basically the worry right. The peak in New York according to the models is already happened a few days ago and one in Texas maybe in another week or so and then the numbers are starting to go down. The problem is we often forget. This is like the eye of a hurricane just because the first wave of the hurricane hit and you see the eye doesn't mean I go outside and play. It means the second part is coming so that part has to be considered and then not having a system in place to prevent a bigger resurgence in the summer of great concern. Because if you look at the models and yeah anybody can do this by the way. It's that's what I'm thinking about the models that they've set up in Seattle is anybody can go to just go to health data dot org and you can click on your state and see what's happening the models basically show a peak and then decline going all the way to August and don't really try to predict what's going to happen after that because they don't know what's going to happen in terms of relaxing social distancing by understand the urgency to relax social distancing. It's just that with out a plan in place for my during it. We're just asking for a huge problem. Potentially much bigger than the one. We've already faced
"cable news" Discussed on The Dan Bongino Show
"That's how they operate. Only yeah I mean so imagine right. Dan Bongino show here name. But you'd invested the three year life in this show. I wrote two books on this topic's by Gaetan exonerated. Yes we've been talking about this case both on and off for for two years I imagine you had been here. Invested hours five hours six hours a week of your time to find out everything I told you was false. Now that montage again the gravy and medium is clear as day that the medial lied to you. They lied to you or they weren't doing journalism I mean I don't even know what to say. Alison Cammarata should seriously. I'm sorry I knew allison at Fox. We're not personal friends. Allison needs to find a new line of work. You do what you want. I mean you're on a joke of a network anyway but for the rest of your career for me. Listen the the video this forever for for the rest of humanity. That example will be used as an example of embarrassing on-air on Air flubs for important media stories of our time. You insisting that your reporting indicates a fake hoax document was real despite despite being told by lawmakers and former lawmakers SUNUNU and Jim Jordan. It's a total hoax. You still fought back. No No. This is real Nicole Wallace. WHO's a joke anyway? Nobody takes Nicole. Wallace series key. Parts have been verified the dossier ladies and gentlemen. It's three key elements to the dossier for for those of you. That forgot Carter page was part of a well developed conspiracy between the Russians the Russians and the trump campaign categorically proven absolutely one hundred percent false false second part Michael Cohen. Trump's lawyer was an intermediary who met in Prague with Russians to pay them for this categorically false Coen's never been to the Prague proven false. Finally that Carter page intern for his cooperation with the Russians. On behalf of the trump campaign was going to accept a bribe from Rosneft. The brive Dr proposed by e Gorsuch from Russia Carter Page never met EGO session. There was no such private was a complete total hoax. A fabrication that what is the dossier every element of that was proven categorically false again. When did the resignation start? Allison do the right thing just resign. I'm serious do the right thing just resigned. Go to a new line of work. We'll respect you more for say I was wrong I screwed up. I'm exiting this position because I can't be trusted anymore Nicole Wallace don't even but you're just a joke anyway. She's like a political hack. She gets you know she's a mercenary when she was paid by Republican okay. She was our big Republican hacks and MS TNC now she so we don't even care you have to say you're just dismiss you immediately but allison cammarata actually pretends to be a news. This person just resign. Just leave seriously maintain some professional dignity and just go away. We get talking heads. There that had defend the dossier because they love the police. They but you're.
"cable news" Discussed on The Dan Bongino Show
"Confidence at the FIS process was followed and the entire case was handling thoughtful responsible way by DOJ and the FBI. I think the notion of advisor was abused. Here folks again. What I'm trying to paint here is a picture for you? That's clear as day. Jim Komi is a liar and a fraud. He is not coming clean as I played in that opening segment about his obvious lies. He's now admitting and his teams lies is to the Pfizer court because combs had some road to Damascus moment. Here that is not what happened combing new when he gave that interview. I just played their presser in hallway after his congressional testimony. He knew listen to me. He knew the information they had presented to. The court was not corroborated. They had a file on it. There's a paper trail of the woods procedures. which is a file of their verification process of information? They're using the spy on people. I told you this Joe. So how long have we been talking about the woods or seizure two and a half years now. Gosh shows tired of hearing it at this point. Even the audience on puzzlement making it unbudgeted decision. No more on the woods procedure you even. He's tired of hearing it. This is old news to you and I'm proud to say yes but point is combing new two years ago. Why not just come out and be honest two years ago and say we screwed up? Clearly we add some political bias. We made huge mistakes here. Why because he's not principal he doesn't have a spine he's a liar and that's what liars do? He's only fessing up now because because the reports out which conclusively proves these Aligarh Chris Wallace. Oh I thought that a good job nailed them. Fill the wall on it and the door reports going to come out in the spring which which is going to make me look even worse. That's the only reason all right here he goes lying again. This is Jim Komi you would ask by Chris. Wallace a question about something different and watch how Komi Interrupts Wallace to make a point. That is categorically false ono. Oh Chris the trump campaign wasn't under investigation. Really play this cut and then I'm going to. I'm going to show you. Jim commes own words from a Congressional hearing proving again with a fraud. This guy check this out. Pay Special attention to him interrupting Wallace and what he says. Horowitz concludes three separate teams made significant errors in four separate separate fiso applications on one of the FBI's most significant cases of the investigation of president trump and his campaign campaign. Trump have to keep greg. President trump was not being investigated. His campaign was not being investigated for Americans. Two of whom are no longer associated with the campaign. Were being investigated. Ah Okay folks again. I don't know what to do here to prove this guy's lying and make it any simpler for you other than to show you Jim Komi Own testimony up on Capitol Hill. Let me read this for you. And I'll highlight the relevant portion. This is Jim commes own words direct transcript. I am going going to read verbatim. Put this up on the screen here. Is Jim Komi quote. I have been authorized by the Department of Justice to confirm that the FBI as part of our counterintelligence mission is investigating the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the two thousand sixteen presidential election. Listen and that includes foods investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the trump campaign and the Russian government and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia's efforts folks again is brain dead does is this guy. Is this guy at at the point of sociopaths where he just wise and doesn't understand the consequences you know again. I had the solid interview would kill me this morning and his radio show good guy. Hi and he said to me he s question and I said and Brian are half. The answering. The question was Dan. Why is he doing this? He knows we can read his words and play video of Jim. thome saying things that are the exact opposite of what he's saying. Now I just played one for you. We did everything we could. The Pfizer processes is intact. It's wonderful this weekend The fight that we lied to Jim Komi we were not investigating the trump campaign. Jim Komi we were investigating the trump campaign folks. The answer is I. Don't no no you know. I went to Graduate School for Psychology. I'm not telling you pat myself on the back because it's not a PhD. So I'm not authorized to diagnose anyone it was a graduate degree at the master's Astor's level but I'm not giving any kind of professional diagnosis. I'm just saying that this resembles behavior that psychologically troubling let me take the edge off that because he we can just look at his own testing. He's Weiying key knows he's lying and he's doing it it anyway. Without regard to consequence to behavior of seriously troubled people. I don't know what else to say. Hey The guy's a fried. He's eight total complete fried. You know if you ever doubted Lord acton power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely ladies and gentlemen just crack a book on Jim Komi. He has been clearly deeply corrupted by his his years in power both in the Department of Justice Jason is a leader in the FBI. Clearly clear as day. He has been deeply corrupted. He doesn't have a shred of morality. He left him. He interrupts Chris Wallace to make this point. The trump campaign wasn't under investigation. Okay I guess you forgot your own testimony from last time. He didn't forget he's a liar. All right here we go again with this insistence that the I g reports said there was no political bias folks. I was on Fox and friends this morning. Some of you saw it the highlights from it will be in the show notes today. I have a link in the show. Notes Bongino DOT com slash newsletter. If you want to subscribe to our show show notes the best email stories of the day. I strongly recommend you do I hope you do. I have the video cuts from my time on Fox GonNa play it here because the gist of it was I. I said the Ainsley. Brian and Steve. I'm really getting tired of hearing this on the media that the reports said there was no political bias. That is not what the report said. I'll have a cut at Kimberley. Strassel committed explaining it really well but notice Komi doubles down on another lie that the report said there's no political status. Not What the report said. I let's let's play commes lies again saying something that he absolutely knows to be false. Check this out. It's unclear what the motivations were on the one hand gross incompetence negligence on the other hand intense analogy gross negligence. Were they intended to do it. Intended to lie to the FIS accord you. You are in charge during a lot of this. Are you. Signed the FISO applications. Sure I think I signed at least two or three of them. He doesn't doesn't conclude that there was intentional. Misconduct by these career specially does he just. It's one of two things and he can't decide gross negligence or was intentional misconduct. That I read his report. He says we are not concluding that there was intentional. Misconduct by beauty just said here I did. I don't know the context that I've Ray was asked specifically. How do you explain? Explain it and he said gross negligence or intention -ality. Yeah well I'm sorry he doesn't find attention outy but that doesn't make it any less important as director your responsible for this. I was responsible for this if I were still there. I'd be doing what Chris Wray is doing is figuring out. So how did this happen. And is it sustained folks. I mean seriously. Can this guy get had any sleep easier. You just heard the inspector general Horowitz who opens up that clip. You heard him characterize his report. Joe Is the Horowitz report. What does he say I mean? Do I have to repeat this for the Liberals with their blockheads and they're adamant the code skulls. Let me just explain to you. Horowitz did not say there was no political bias. He said quote. He is unclear on if all these actions to investigate investigate the trump team where do just incompetence and by actions he means the lies the mischaracterization deciding the steele dossier despite knowing. It's false this seven. Evan lies in the first application. In ten more lies later the use of spys despite a campaign they knew wasn't colluding with the Russians. He says the Harwood says he's unclear. You you heard him. If it's either incompetence it's not comb. He's not stupid. And either where the people working on this case or intention -ality or if it's intentional and what the point is hardwood say. There's no political bias. He does not say that he said he found no documentary evidence of political bias. What does that mean well? Well rather than me explaining to you because I can and I'll kind of adds some color on this end Kimberley strassel. Who's done phenomenal work? I know Joe Likes Kim's worked over at the Wall Street Journal was on Fox this weekend and again hammers. This point about how the media keeps repeating there was no political. Oh biased despite it being categorically false she explains it quite well in this cut. Check this out Wall Maria. It's really important to talk about what the I really did find in terms of political Michael biased. Because it's been mischaracterized. When he said is he didn't find documentary evidence of bias which means he didn't find letterhead somewhere with DOJ on top of saying let's take out trump but he actually addresses the fact that there was bias in his report at least from a personal perspective among the texts that you just noted and then look also laid out for the American people to see you know? Dozens upon dozens of ways in which the F. B. I. abused manipulated. The FIS the court and I think if you know what he was trying to do is say here people. Here's the evidence you make your own judgment and anyone with a brain who looks at this knows it of course there was biased. Hi It's because all of those errors go one direction folks beautifully stated. Thank you. Kim Horowitz does not say for now the third time there was no political biased. Do not accept this liberal talking point from the media activists for the Liberals and all the hacks and dopes out there. That's not what he says He. He says he's unclear as to the motivations of all their lives. It was either incompetence or intentional. We've go from open. The possibility Joe that it is his option to intentionally biased. He does not conclude that he said is strassel adequately summed up there that there's no documentary the evidence in other words Joe completely unsurprisingly. By the way that Jim Komi didn't take a memo himself and said I hate Donald Trump. Therefore we're going to lie. I about him right. shocker Joe always that stupid do you get it. Harwood has to play the Joe Friday role..
"cable news" Discussed on Politically Re-Active
"So part of what happens with twitter is that because it open and you can sort of follow anybody you want to without without knowing them they don't have to prove that you're following them unless you have a locked account it's easier to have sort of just find lots and lots of people to follow which is part of what journalists do and what happens with twitter you know as you have seen happened so many times is is journalist now are reporting on twitter right in a way that they're not reporting on facebook so today on twitter this happened ride in or will make the evening news at rome make the cable news networks and we certainly have someone in the oval office who is making use of this feature as well right not calling any names but president will tweet something and then the and then journalists you know on the cable news networks will report on those tweets it happens with him but it happens with a lot of other users as well those twitter stories become mainstream news stories and so twitter ends up driving the news cycle in a particular kind of way the facebook never does so twitter was given a certain kind of unjustified legitimacy like there was no rhyme or reason other than the fact that the journalists happened to be on twitter and the the fact that like is so short in public but the there is no real reason twitter should be she has more legitimate 'cause anybody consign on anybody can follow somebody.